The Incomparable

00:00:03 ◼   ► the incomparable number 249 may 2015 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► Snelling now over the past year we have [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► tried some interesting things in a [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► spin-off podcast at this podcast called [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► TV that you can find at the incredible [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► com talking about different shows week [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► by week as they come out and we we [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► really like superheroes so in fact two [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► of the shows that we spent a lot of time [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► talking about on those podcast were the [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► flash and arrow up so we're going to [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► talk about them [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► we also there are a bunch of episodes [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► about daredevil so that we like [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► superhero shows there are a bunch of [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► other superhero shows that are also on [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► the air including and comic book related [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► things including Gotham agents of shield [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► agent Carter and Constantine it was a [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► superhero comedy kind of TV season so to [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► wrap up the season of comic book TV [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► shows i have brought together an [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► all-star panel including many stars who [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► have appeared on those TV podcasts of [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► your i introduced to you first [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► the cast of the flash cast Lisa [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► Schmeisser hello hi it's a pleasure to [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► be here [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► it's good to have you back Philip moza [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► lack Mo's welcome to the welcome to the [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► mother Zeppelin the I feel like I got [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► pulled into the arm the big kids table [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► that's right just squeeze on in your [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► neck you and Tony sindelar hi Tony [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► I nerds also here representing the the [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► speedy arrow cast dan more'n hello and [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► guy English hello and representing [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► nothing is David Laura hello my name is [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► Barry Allen and I am the fastest man [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► alive not true [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► nope tap know that's right em with the [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► trap [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► yeah no not with the scribe so I let her [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► we're gonna go it's you know we only [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► have one podcast here and and we have [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► like seven shows to talk about and I i [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► will say that if you want detailed [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► feelings about the flash and arrow and [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► daredevil you should check out the TV [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► podcast because we we love our feelings [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► go week-by-week there and and i love i [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► love the flash browser i'm sure i would [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► love the arrow cast if I want a season [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► behind on arrow and I've enjoyed the [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► half of the daredevil cast that I've [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► been able to listen to because I'm only [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► about halfway through [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► so that's an endorsement is what I'm [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► saying they're great that the ones i've [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► heard anyway are great and I'm sure the [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► others are also great [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► so with that said let's not talk about [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► those first and instead talk about uh [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► let's start with Gotham often move on [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► this is Gotham which which we discussed [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► early on after the first couple episodes [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► i think it aired and described it as [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► these weird mix of shows where it's it's [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► a Gotham supervillain babies [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► there's Jim Gordon cop on the edge and [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► there's creepy young Bruce Wayne anybody [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► i watched three episodes and gave up [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► what does everybody else think I watched [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► them all Jason alright he's in yeah i [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► watched all of them because of my Batman [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► obsession Batman obsession [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► oh it's not the complete sense think [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► that's the bat well my my completed [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► since think is particularly strong in [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► things related to that man [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► yeah I gave up four episodes from the [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► end after fish Mooney begin president of [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► the Thunderdome [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► whoo i'm batman system i gave up after [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► seven episodes and so so there's a good [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► show in Gotham but it's a frickin like [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► it's Frankenstein from likely there's [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► like eight other shows in it as well so [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► i am not sure that there's a good show [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► tell me what is a big show the good shit [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► so here's the thing is like that it's [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► not not any one of them is a good show [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► but I took each of them together you can [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► make a fairly passable like a surgeon it [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► I felt like it got a little better and [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► then it gets really bad and there's a [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► whole arc with a serial killer [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah i was i was lighted that [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► was like not a good ending note there [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► was 1i think that the thing that finally [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► got us to turn it off was when Barbara [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► did not get killed by the Sifl kilter [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► and well because one of the one of the [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► the corners that the show's writers are [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► in you get introduced to Barbara and [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► austin supply she supposed to marry Jim [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► Gordon and they're supposed to have I [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► guess Barbara Gordon jr. who will then [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► go on to become Batgirl and oracle and [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► Batgirl again and the problem is the two [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► actors are playing Jim and Barbara had [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► no chemistry what so ever and ever [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► literally everybody else is on screen [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► what he sparked with better and they [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► found a different love interest in [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► marina back around and look at that was [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► going places that [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► so this big barber problem and by the [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► time we stop watching it [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► our big problem Barbara problems why is [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► she still here she gets increasingly [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► creepy to like there was a scene that I [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► think I and I talked about on the we [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► mention briefly on the arrow cast where [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► she takes in Salina and there's a when [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► she's got this seems she's like drinking [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► with the girls yeah and shops are closed [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► like some Wilson Phillips video and [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► she's she goes new whole thing about how [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► beautiful Selina Kyle isn't at the same [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► time because we specifically it would [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► not be that creepy if it weren't for the [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► fact that we've been told that Barbara [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► is interested in women as well as mayor [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► so it comes off really creepy and that [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► 1c and also teen runaways usually [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► product sexual exploitation so there's a [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► whole thing going on there were like oh [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► it's gonna be like a fish Mooney thing [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► where she like uses people and good but [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► they don't put it in it but then its [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► left like just sitting there like that [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► was a weird creepy scene in a vacuum [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► like which does is sort of indicative of [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► the show you could call it weird creepy [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► scene in a vacuum and you'd be right [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► about most episodes [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► yeah like that this stuff that I tuned [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► in for for as long as I didn't I really [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► like that rapport between Jim and his [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► partner and if it had been too cranky [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► detectives cravat each other while [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► solving cases that would have been great [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► because i love i love a good cop [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► I love a good buddy cop show and I like [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► to the Bruce Wayne story actually [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► because I felt that is so much time and [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► attention is given to Bruce Wayne in [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► sort of the batman begins training thing [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► where it's like he learns to be you know [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► do karate but I thought that there was [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► this was an interesting job of dealing [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► with a young Bruce Wayne who has had his [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► parents murdered isn't necessarily at [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► the point where he's going to start [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► training to being like you know a major [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► ass kicker but we know that Batman is [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► also there's a whole detective angle and [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► so we see the Bruce Wayne's like trying [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► to piece things together and solve a [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► mystery which I thought was actually [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► kind of cool and like a rough the [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► rapport between him and out and Alfred [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► get a lot better as the season goes [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► along i really like Alfred as the guy [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► like Sean Pertwee the Alpha character [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► almost makes Batman makes sense because [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► outfit is a little bit kick-ass kind of [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► guy and this one guy asks yeah yeah he's [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► not just like a doting Butler is looking [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► for his grey poupon exactly yeah he's [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► he's he's got some hard edges on him and [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► he's trying his best to just sort of a [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► child the obvious problem though there's [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► no Batman [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► that is my problem with vast loss of [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► media the critical bat the deficit was [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► also here's the way here's the thing [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► that I that's all so weird about this [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► whole show the premise of this entire [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► show is that Jim Gordon is trying to [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► clean up Gotham now if we it now and I [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► think you have to be careful when it [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► comes to superior to shows about saying [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► we know this is going to happen because [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► this is who these characters are in the [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► comic books and I you know we talked a [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► lot about that on arrow like this these [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► two characters have to end up together [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► because they end up that together in the [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► comics and like I don't know that that's [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► the case but the weird thing about the [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► way the Gotham is structured is the only [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► real good resolution for the show is if [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► they clean up Gotham and they don't need [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► to have a Batman like I think that is [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► the only interesting way that you could [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► go because it doesn't make sense [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► otherwise it's just a story of failure [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► like it's a story that everybody failing [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► to do every day and that's that's life [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► but that's also life in Gotham [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► especially Jim Gordon doesn't get to win [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► crime winds like eighty percent of the [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► time or it's the wire light but and that [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► works great if you are the wire well but [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► Jim Gordon gets to be the commissioner [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► right so I feel like that was that [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► that's going to be the path of the show [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► and I do i do like ben mckenzie and [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► Donna Logan I thought those guys work [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► well together and and I feel like that's [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► the only you've got if you've got to [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► give somebody hope with the show it has [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► to be that which is James Gordon who has [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► entered this completely corrupt city and [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► this completely corrupt police force is [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► eventually going to get them together [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► enough to be the police commissioner and [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► at least be perhaps you know we can [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► dream that the police department will be [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► cleared of corruption and he will [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► instill in them you know some some [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► ethics and morals overrun by [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► supervillains in the but this is sadly [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► the supervillains will require the [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► Batman [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► no I hear that the season six of The [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► Wire was also about the Batman showing [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► up in cleaning up Baltimore COI really [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► sad to miss out on that one didn't turn [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► into that yeah it got a little preachy [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► because David Simon had a history as a [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► sidekick and he was really letting all [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► of his knives out about like how badly [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► he was treated as a sidekick [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► so it's got a little preachy corruption [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► among Butler's it turns out the wire was [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► the name of the superhero that was the [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► big twist at the end was the numbers the [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► name of superhero all you just but that [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► was that would actually have been [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► interesting as if the folks who are [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► reading often [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► sat down and said okay basically we're [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► telling a story like the wire where Jim [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► gets morally compromised in some ways [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► but he thinks it's for the greater good [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► in other ways and this is how the system [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► wins the stuff people win and then [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► somebody bust into the room and says I [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► have an idea for five other stories [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► instead they're like ship it you're [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► really enthusiastic about you were bored [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► let's go totally good and he said [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► because that character is morally [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► compromised anyway like he's hanging out [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► with the majority and he's got a big [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► giant vigilante clamp on his building [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► like he's clearly morally compromised [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► rate so that didn't end up there by [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► accident right yeah yeah so he got this [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► number but what's this doing here [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► it was an art projects are brother from [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► school you have asked questions so yeah [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► that's it that's an interesting story to [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► tell one in which i don't think they're [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► telling this certainly know a vigilante [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► lamp yeah you go to CRATE&BARREL it [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► wasn't really being written by written [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► by committee [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► I mean I feel I feel bad for the actors [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► because they're obviously they a lot of [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► the actors were doing their best to try [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► and and commit to a specific vision of [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► the character especially edward nygma [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► yeah you will get no he's phenomenal and [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► I'm Ben McKenzie who I really loved on [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► southland and eloquent to ya-ya airline [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► it i enjoyed his history a lot of great [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► characters they're all in different [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► shows sadly but their medicare no Edward [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► nygma will you ever quit with your silly [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► riddles mr. Nicholas don't worry in [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► these last episode of the season they [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► make it very explicit what's gonna hit [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► up [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► ya just [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► I don't I felt so connected and [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► wednesday models also i felt so bad for [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► him all season because he's just this [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► weird smart dude who literally a smart [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► and the one thing he can't crack his [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► house is having a dedicated beings and [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► he tries like this is unquenchable [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► optimism through much of the season and [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► I was like oh my god that would make my [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► wish too sure about you and rub the cops [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► and no one else I don't like what they [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► did to him by the individuals and I [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► don't want to say it just because I [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► don't think anybody's got there yet [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► did I really don't care about getting [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► spoiled i do not care i watched three [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► episodes gave up on it and then watch [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► the rest so that's really sweet [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► definitely cannot host that supposed to [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► give up you can just exactly yeah the [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► big problem i have with me aside from [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► just the tone and the violence and the [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► fact that my kids want to watch it and [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► they really shouldn't and it's on at [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► eight o'clock so you know try pulling [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► them away from it is that it's you know [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► as an aside from the failure you know [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► all the time it's gonna have to end up [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► and failure for Batman to show up all of [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► these villains that we're getting to [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► meet all of the villain babies are gonna [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► be so much older than Batman by the time [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► he's Batman you know it's gonna be like [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► what 20 years [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► you don't know that man because he could [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► drop into one of those reverse Lazarus [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► pits and just skip everybody all [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► together you know that's why do you [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► Batman is he's never had together an [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► awkward phase [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► yeah great Batman series we just fight [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► all these villains like canes and [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► walkers this out 15 year old Batman wins [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► here yeah it's like I'd love to c 1 [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► wherein and I mean I sort of tried that [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► I guess with fish Mooney butBut to sort [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► of see you know who are the villains [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► that inspired the Joker in the Riddler [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► and the penguin now I don't want to see [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► the mob bosses that they all worked [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► where I want to see that first [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► generation and archaeologists and I you [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► know I think one of the most effective [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► episodes for me at least was the episode [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► about the red hood because that was kind [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► of what about like an urban legend of [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► Gotham instead of a specific character [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► where you have to start doing the math [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► about how old will they be when they [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► matter you know that so i really liked [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► that episode I totally loaded and an [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► extent that i have to be the joke is so [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► badly [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► yeah and that was also one of those ones [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► that they they kind of focused a lot [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► more on one continuous plot line then [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► God that medicine had everything that [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► had snakes and clowns and love triangles [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► and what else could you ask for real [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► that's everything I want everything [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► pretty much it [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► acceleration but it was missing a [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► gorilla admittedly you know not [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► everything can have a psychic gorilla [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► what you shakin my beliefs cisco well [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► you know is a critical Batman and [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► gorillas deficit Tony no I deal with [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► these issues every day someone tweeted [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► this a couple weeks ago that you know [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► you have agents of shield the talks [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► about and talks about talks when you've [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► got the talks and talks and talks and [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► the flash you want a psychic gorilla you [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► get from the air they have me wait they [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► kept me waiting for that second karela [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► from a long 21 episodes [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► yeah but now they know they've taken her [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► a lot of the table yeah yeah so yeah we [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► can have not ever show can have a [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► psychic gorilla we should probably move [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► on one order could use do yeah well [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► Jerry Orbach was essentially playing [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► that part I thought that's what chris [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► noth was soo Lee soon Jung across our [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► jokes monetary or baka I with krishna it [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► works it works and it worked well [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► together [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► let's talk about let's talk about agents [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► of shield whoa did saying for a while [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► now is you know we don't know the legend [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► is that it turned around sort of midway [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► through the first season and became more [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► interesting which we are hard because it [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► was not interesting and then in the [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► second season i would say that I went [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► through a period where i was bored again [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► and then I went through a period where i [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► was interested again n and yet so this [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► is one that I've seen that I what I find [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► baffling about it is first off they do [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► sing hamstrung by the fact that they [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► need to lead up from and then recede [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► back from afterward the release of [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► avengers age of ultron where they kind [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► of have to tie into that in some way but [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► also they took this long digression with [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► the Inhumans and the thing to baffle me [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► about is I felt like the Inhumans plot [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► where they find these Inhumans and [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► they've got powers and they've got their [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► little you know whatever it is village [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► in the mountains and I don't understand [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► the racism against powered people and I [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► guess that's [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► premise of the show but I think it just [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► points out how misguided the show's [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► premises where when they find all these [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► powered people everybody and when sky is [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► revealed to have her powers they that [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► the responses like she's a threat she [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► must be stopped [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► it's like you know the Avengers over [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► there those are all power people and you [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► like them right but why do you hate [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► everybody else and the answer is because [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► our show is our show is about people [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► whose job is to find and capture people [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► who have powers [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► we should never have been because that's [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► boring they have those guys are filled [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► out a w-2 they've got a photocopy of [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► Thor's driver's license its origins [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► literally dramatic moment at that leads [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► into the season finale of agents of [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► shield is when Edward Edward James Olmos [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► appears and asks the the community of [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► super-powered people up in the mountains [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► to fill out some forms that live like [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► literally that is think the answer that [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► has killed the answer is murder and that [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► and that is why and also dangerous [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► rumors around them up clearly you get [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► like paperwork legit [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► well if they had done more to show in [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► humans actually being terrifying to [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► people because they did they finally to [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► the agent may backstory thing and which [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► was good i thought that the thing is [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► that episode is brutal because it shows [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► it shows how work relationships can get [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► and how terrifying you can be if [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► somebody has a power and is not [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► controlling factors in any way or [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► they're very young and if we have seen [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► more stuff like that to justify the [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► hatred and fear that other people had it [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► might make more sense like maize maze [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► beef is legit because you had to take [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► out a kid and she saw an army of mind [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► control zombies and and all that [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► um and to be frank I wouldn't mind if [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► someone took out sky because i think [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► that she's kind of a drag on the whole [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► show there for your four sho reasons i [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► see why you'd want to take out sky but [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► she's proven herself loyal she's got [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► powers now [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► like with Deathlock right i mean i just [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► don't understand the internal logic of [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► the show saying you know other than they [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► want to create some conflict with yeah [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► so we'll create some other shield agents [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► were they didn't the x-men to its [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► excellent i really can't say mutants [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► miss universe because legal blah blah [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► yeah but you know one of the things that [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► has always struck me as kind of weird [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► about the x-men is how everybody's [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► knee-jerk reaction [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► this is described as a mutant when some [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► of these mutants are doing kid can do [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► things like you know heal the sick or [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► teleport things at mission critical [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► moments or be thought infrastructure and [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► I think maybe you have to just eat you [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► have to question the trope that [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► super-powered people are inherently [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► worth being feared so that's that's our [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► that's the natural reaction or you you [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► have to kind of commit to the other way [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► which is super power people are [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► terrifying because they they have no [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► internal governance and they enjoy [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► wreaking havoc and one of the things [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► that agents of shield does it just it it [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► doesn't ever hit consistent tone like if [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► you find a colony of of super-powered [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► people who are off on their own not [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► bothering anybody i don't i don't really [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► understand why everybody freaks out and [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► thinks we need to bring you know fighter [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► jets on scramble unless they fill out [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► our forms but I just wait that would [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► work for me better is if giant have [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► actually been like building up to a war [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► anyway and nobody realize it because she [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► was she was right about Eileen fishers [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► and master vibe but you know it just [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► that that kind of came out of nowhere [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► all said she does the big heel turn and [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► you realize that ok cal is crazy but [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► he's not the villain here she is [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► which they by the way actually like [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► spill out yeah listen last episode where [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► you know she's a monster you've known [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► all along that I was like oh really i [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► think giving the building up to a cap 3 [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► and the Civil War stashe see now guy you [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► just point out exactly why i hate the [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► show and I watch it but it's essentially [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► a commercial it is a commercial for the [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► marvel cinematic universe and they only [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► build up to something interesting when [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► it's movie release date time I disagree [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► with that as far as far as of Asia [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► Ultron's i think that the age of Ultron [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► stuff they put in was totally [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► unnecessary their libraries don't [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► exaggerate [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► they did not i love the captain america [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► stuffed in age of Ultron so much more [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► thanks to having watched I'm Peggy you [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► know that the picnic party commissaries [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► because they that ok that was an awesome [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► miniseries and it flushes her out a lot [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► more than she gets in Captain America [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► where she's still got some character and [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► somebody tell me started age of Ultron [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► like it's my friend Peggy and all [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► there's so much pain goes to this but it [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► doesn't translate the other way at all [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► and I was also kind of disappointed that [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► we didn't get it [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► samuel l jackson the season because for [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► me the highlight of the end of the first [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► season of agents of shield is when [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► Samuel Jackson shows up in a helicopter [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► and is all grabbed my hand and I was [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► like oh this is so great and this year [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► it's you know setting up Ward who is [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► like a b-list villain at best to be like [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► the new Dennis's and i really like [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► psychotic bored i'm sorry i really [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► really enjoy that character i really [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► enjoyed I really bored out of his mind [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► I just I just enjoy how to he's just [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► he's just so crazy like he's just so [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► crazy really hobby you actually enjoy [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► you just find him refreshing vitamin [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► vanilla ward [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► I well I definitely find I definitely [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► find a find him refreshing compared to [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► first season board who is just dollars [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► and host how was the best part of the [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► whole yes i was saying it was full [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► credit problem with Lachlan great lot of [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► fun huge amount of fun i I'm with dan in [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► that i think i think that i enjoyed the [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► sort of third turn on ward where he sort [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► of like he's killed his family he's left [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► Hydra he's kind of okay he's in a good [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► place in that he's you know an evil [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► freelancer but he's like a good he's [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► inescapable questions he's figured out [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► what he needs to be and he's got a [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► relationship he's got a girlfriend yeah [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► even when they do that though I i like [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► that they resist trying to redeem him [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► anyway like yes he kind of almost has a [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► soft side and make they have to work [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► with them but it's never like oh we re [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► accepted you like there's that great bit [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► in the like 1pm out the penultimate [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► episode where they get like it's [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► literally the original cast from the [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► original CS and it's like the dynamics [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► are all different i thought that was a [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► really great that wasn't like that [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► episode just because it was like nobody [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► has forgiven him and everybody like even [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► every scene where he's like okay I'm [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► giving you the briefing on this they're [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► like yeah we know what i hear ya you [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► just go to like that is realistic [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► because if somebody did that to you guys [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► you would not like even if you had to [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► work with them you would not like it you [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► would not be softened on the middle and [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► I enjoy that dynamic i like how yandex [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► co-worker who kept trying to kill him [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► and get another Pinot yes I kinky just [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► have to keep thinking it would be so [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► much more interesting i mean i like [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► Coulson Coulson is fine but like a much [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► more interesting show would be like [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► death lock and i'll say it like Scott [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► naughty sky with powers and Bobby which [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► is a great addition we get the tire from [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► friday night lights and she's kicking [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► asses Mockingbird right that's that [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► there's some good in fact you could [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► argue that they could just sort of let [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► the old characters go away and the new [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► characters which they introduced this [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► season are more interesting [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► I feel like they're there would be a [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► good show in there and yet what they [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► seem to dwell on more than not is this [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► it is like they're they're so committed [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► to their original actors and their [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► original boring premise instead of just [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► completely checking out and saying you [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► know now we're essentially shields got [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► its own sort of semi super team that [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► depth fights crimes sounds like was used [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► and incidentally might say thanks to you [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► yeah that made that may be where they go [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► and have to give the thumbs-up to also i [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► think that they did you unlock as much [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► as I think flashing arrow which we will [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► talk about it some point are probably [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► better shows i have to give full credit [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► agents of shield for having certainly [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► the most female characters who are [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► probably the most three-dimensional I [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► think evolution is true a lot a lot of [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► female characters that are strongly [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► developed which is great [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► I a decently diverse cast which is also [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► I mean and I think something that a lot [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► of the other shows that we like are [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► lacking and I think that that's there [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► are a lot of things that have hampered [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► that show and held it back i believe [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► that unlike Gotham which i think you [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► know despite arguing that there was a [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► good show in there somewhere i really [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► think that that's it's pretty much a law [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► student ID on the other words whereas [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► agents of shield I think it's [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► salvageable I think there's good stuff [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► under I kind of feel like like dollhouse [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► another another just we can show I feel [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► like they're they're sort of so trapped [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► in their original premise that they [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► literally would have to have the [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► fortitude to just Chuck the premise at [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► which point i don't know why they [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► wouldn't just cancel the show and [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► replace it with a new Marvel theme show [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► that had a better premise but because [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► you know that the shield stuff is just [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► kind of boring but they have introduced [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► good characters this year so there's [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► hope that they could respawn it into [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► something that was more interesting than [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► than what they've done up to now it's [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► just I don't know there's something when [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► they have like the shadow shield coming [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► out with ever james olmos the body to [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► that and I actually think the mistake [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► they made was bringing Coulson back and [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► this is not because the actor who is is [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► great at what he did Clark races great [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► and I love him in the movies but the [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► weird paradox is the more you see him on [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► the show the less you get a sense of the [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► character at this point he's just like a [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► dude in a suit who says drivable quite [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► as cryptic things and has a plan that [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► you'll find out later and like his hand [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► and has projected all it has projected [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► his desperate need for an emotional life [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► onto his agent since in like weird muted [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► ways because he's got his to surrogate [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► daughters in in Gemma and by now at but [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► I don't think he adds anything to the [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► show anymore and his whole business with [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► the Tahiti reveal was kind enough to [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► release regarding this and I get that [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► they had to do that to get to the [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► inhuman since the aliens and it ties [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► into the next stage of the whole marble [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► verse and I actually think that's the [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► biggest handicap the show has it has to [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► act as a house organ for for people to [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► remind them that you're you have this [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► incomprehensible slew of movies where [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► you have to collect all the stone dry [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► that like they refer to the create a [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► couple points and you had and just this [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► and and I thought this is tricky and [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► complicated and people who watch TV to [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► escape are not going to want to do this [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► they're going to be much more or as if [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► it's a show where it's it's Deathlock [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► and mockingbird and agent May you know [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► jetting around the world and doing [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► awesome stuff that i would i would watch [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► that hard agree yeah and and the thing [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► the reason i just heard dipped in and [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► and and I you know I came back to it at [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► the end of season one and I loved the [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► way they resolved bill paxton that was [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► yes so beautiful it was and it was the [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► ultimate Whedon bad big bad ending right [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► just a wonderful moment and so when [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► season to start like alright I'm on [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► board and and I just got bored and I [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► kept coming back through the season and [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► you and Edward James Olmos my cast ok [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► this is what the show needs it needs [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► this grounded authority figure that you [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► just you know [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► yeah and and then they kill them off ya [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► know he had a great point was shield [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► should be to that was ya day is nothing [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► that here are bobby was saying was wrong [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► about how they made they made him a [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► racist they made him totally freaked out [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► about the fact that they were powered [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► people everywhere and you should lock [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► sky up she's a thing right and it's just [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► ridiculous to predict that except this [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► guy couldn't control her powers that [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► well yeah okay they could they could [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► have made the narrative decision to save [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► these people are dangerous because [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► either [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► can't control their abilities where they [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► can and they choose to do in dangerous [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► ways like to cross from one of the [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► things I love about the flash is you [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► have a lot of supervillains her like I [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► have powers it's the whole I don't want [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► to cure cancer i want to turn people [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► into dinosaurs yes absolutely you know [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► and the Marvel problem is you have these [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► people i have these strange powers time [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► that I have a crisis of identity about [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► it in something all i can turn people [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► into dinosaur problem is is that almost [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► his character needed some nuance to say [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► look I know you like sky I know you've [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► trained her to be an agent she may be a [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► good agent but if she's not handling her [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► powers right she's a threat and we need [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► to take her off the board until we can [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► get that under control but instead what [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► he says is she it's a thing it's not [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► human it's a monster and that's just [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► ludicrous it's absolutely ridiculous [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► so almost they make him into this [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► villain essentially when he could have [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► been and looked like he might have been [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► a really interesting kind of [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► counterpoint to Clark Gregg and I [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► actually like that moment where he's [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► like you're right you should be in [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► charge of me and those I can't that yeah [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► that james edward james olmos will be [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► like it's like Miami Vice all over again [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► you gotta check with lieutenant Castillo [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► before you go out I i think i just got [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► frustrated and kind of fed up with the [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► show at that point when they introduced [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► the whole like separate shield faction [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► and I was just like this is too many [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► factions because there's their shield [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► and others other shield who both of them [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► think the other is bad and nitrogen and [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► hydrogen actions and there's hydra [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► people killing each other and their [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► people you know breaking cover to do [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► things and quadrant only human agent 33 [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► is getting pushed all around and like [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► like keeping track of where like [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► somebody who was like a hostage in a [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► bargaining chip with like it like it [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► like it just I mean maybe I'm dumb and a [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► bad person but i just thought it was [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► modeled yeah I had minutes and that's [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► the thing is you know I with with the [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► shows that work of all these superior [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► shows they're really lightly see [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► realized and then you have Gotham and [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► shield which are just so byzantine and [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► you can't just sit down and enjoy an [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► episode out of order [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► it's all absolutely not like comic books [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► where alina episode nice open with an [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► org chart showing you the current status [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► of the women too much maps with little [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► flags on him showing you where hide [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► as power we need to move on to agent [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► Carter but i'm going to use as a [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► transition I'm gonna want to enhance the [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► point that you just made which is when [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► agent Carter went off and shield came [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► back and they started up the first scene [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► of the first episode back I i watched [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► every episode of the show and I was like [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► I have no idea what's happening yeah I [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► don't know who and I like a pretty good [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► at what's happening and who's doing what [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► and all of that except game of thrones [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► because that's way too confusing [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► yeah and I was like I don't even [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► remember anything about the show and [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► that's a bad sign when you when you lose [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► the plot in nine weeks like any [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► specimens of the plot you are not doing [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► a good job at your show and it had a [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► previously on [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► oh yeah and I just imagined it you know [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► if I didn't have a property right yeah [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► yeah yeah just yeah obviously didn't [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► stick [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► I'd like to have you imagine a world [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► populated by superheroes it's a world [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► without spam or viruses are bounced [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► email it's a world where the previous [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► superhero all is one named mail route [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► imagine opening your email and see only [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► the legitimate nail that you want and [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► need to receive you can live in this [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► magical world you don't need to be a [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► superhero mail route has the super power [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► to make that a daily reality you don't [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► need to maintain any of your own [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► hardware software you sign up for mail [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► route you change the MX records on your [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► domain to point at mail route and that's [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► male receives all of your inbound mail [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► it sorts it it filters out the bad stuff [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► and delivers only the clean email to [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► your mailbox it's easy to setup reliable [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► trusted by large institutions like [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► universities and corporations as a [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► desktop user you'll find the email right [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► interface simple and effective and if [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► you're an email administrator or IT [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► professional they built all of their [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► tools with you in mind there's an API [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► for easy account management and supports [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► all of the features that you would [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► expect from people handling your mail [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► including ldap and Active Directory pls [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► mail bagging man [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► bagging and outbound relay you can start [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► a risk-free trialno credit card [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► necessary you sign up change your MX [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► records and your mailbox and hardware [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► will be completely protected [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► it's simple and effective there's no [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► good reason not to try it i've been [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► using it for a couple of years now it [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► really works has filtered out huge [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► amounts of spam and if something does [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► get comment spam filter i get a daily [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► spam report i make one click that person [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► is whitelisted I they are never filtered [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► again and the mail they sent me is [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► delivered super easy to use all [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► listeners to the incomparable will [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► receive ten percent off the lifetime of [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► your account just going to mail route [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► dotnet / smell right now that's mail [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► route dotnet / smell and thank you to [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► mail route for sponsoring the [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► uncomfortable [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► agent Carter let's see let's say nice [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► things about agent Carter because I [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► thought agent Carter was really good [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► beautifully shot yeah so stylish so [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► silent period specified period spy I [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► mean it's Marvel right but there's a [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► superhero we kind of thing but it's like [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► you know i love the fact that it was [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► more about likes actual spies and and [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► and all the period stuff was really well [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► done i thought and Peggy is really [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► Hayley Atwell is a good actress and I i [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► enjoyed her character in the fact that [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► she's put against the you know these [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► these awful people who basically [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► consider her a secretary even though we [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► know that she is a hero from world war [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► two it's like we're two is over honey [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► now get me some coffee greatest thing [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► about the show though is it shows how [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► difficult post-war readjustment was for [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► everybody because you know so often you [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► have these World War two narratives and [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► you know snap closed on shot of soldier [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► dipping nurse in to kiss fades to black [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► up come some tasteful serif font that [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► tells you how people live long and [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► prosper and instead you've got war [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► veterans who are all jacked up and [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► people who are living in the bodies that [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► got blown apart and women who had like [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► five or six years of unprecedented [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► autonomy and opportunity for being [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► crammed back into boxes and it was great [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► to see this all playing out [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► um I thought was a little heavy-handed [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► sometimes because surely some of these [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► dudes would have noticed that [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► hey that though the women and not like [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► people that have died was around during [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► the war were really confident there's no [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► reason whether or not now but for the [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► most part III thought it was a really [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► great look at post or shock and and [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► excellently to build up the creeping [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► threat of you know the red [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► the the black widows and the other spy [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► apparatus is that just kept taking the [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► distance Dottie was like one of my [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► favorite things about the show [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► yeah yeah well I have to say narratively [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► there's a there's a lot of that I think [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► this show me in terms of you know [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► putting up against agents of shield [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► shows what happens when you only have 13 [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► episodes deal within 23 or whatever if [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► you can you get only three [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► yeah yeah very sorry is even less right [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► yeah so there's an economy there right [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► you can do that you can do a serialize [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► show in a dense and that's what is it [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► it's a story it's a items extra rent and [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► that's I think one of the best choices [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► they made here was was doing a show that [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► is not 20 items as long because [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► invariably within that you have to go [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► down all these little dead ends and [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► called the Saxon trying to craft an [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► overall message that doesn't just get [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► like oh we introduced a problem this [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► weekend it got resolved in like five [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► episodes see why I don't see why long [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► series and I refer to almost all the [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► ones that were talking about is why you [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► couldn't just jump into like three [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► groups of seven episodes of peace and [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► kind of what they tried with arrows here [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► and had mixed results [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► yeah you're right because because i have [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► had a hard time back there anyway to get [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► back to agent Carter it works you're [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► right you were because it was shorter [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► um I also think it worked because [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► they're not constrained by modernity if [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► that makes sense like you really could [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► double down on the music and the [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► aesthetics like one of the most knockout [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► sequences in the Premier thing that got [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► me hooked was when Peggy uses her [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► lipstick to take a guy out in the office [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► and she's in that beautiful dress and [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► she's got on that platinum wig and the [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► everything from the set decoration to [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► the music it's like a really beautiful [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► toxic dream and I was like I'm you never [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► seen anything like that on agents of [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► shield never liked the other fight [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► sequences were just so beautiful like [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► the first time the dot that dot does the [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► Parker off-the-wall grabs the guys [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► almost kills him was amazing i swear i [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► watch that sequence like five times [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► because i was so mesmerized by watching [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► her legs move the way they moved and [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► this show which is beautiful and stylish [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► it was like a permaculture box although [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► the radio drama [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► did you know with the fight ya narrated [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► in 30 John David I know you day that [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► that would probably did for you [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► well i was gonna say you know [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► considering all the radio theater stuff [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► it doesn't surprise any [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► anybody that I loved to the show I mean [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► this you know of all the shows I've [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► watched this year this was one of the [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► few where I said they're going i want to [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► write this one you know because I've [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► been and and especially the the bit [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► where they do you know the radio version [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► of agent Carter is nothing at all like [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► agent Carter yeah and you know it's is [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► it was just beautifully beautifully done [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► i wanted to point out the the most [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► important weirdness of agent Carter [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► which I loved and yet was baffled by [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► which is the concept that somebody is [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► employed as an automat waitress that [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► makes you don't got no automatic doesn't [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► have that you just go to put in your [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► coin and you get the food that there's [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► no service in the autumn but they [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► created this automat diner which is kind [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► of hilarious but baffling at the same [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► time because it doesn't work like that [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► that's not what that is maybe it's like [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► employee people to pleasure you just got [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► real drinks [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► yeah automat waitress that's what does a [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► bad job and left the automat and it in [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► one reason is it's probably too back to [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► like 67 track that it would be in the [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► CAF and it could push button and get [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► like a bunch of colored cubes church [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► maybe it's the nutritional foam hi i [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► also want to put a good word in for [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► James D'Arcy as chart and Edwin Jarvis [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► who I thought was a here i thought he [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► and Peggy have really good chemistry [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► together they work really well together [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► and I and I i do like a dominic monaghan [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► as as Howard start to I think that three [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► the three of them do a heavy you know a [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► good sort of report and it's a lot of [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► fun watching them unlike a lot of shows [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► on television the showrunners are women [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► which is a nice yeah they did Reaper [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► which wasn't which there are things [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► about Reaper that I really liked have to [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► get that show had known it had no right [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► to be that funny but it it was not [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► amazingly well done doing right yeah it [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► really won't go ahead and when they [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► brought on michael ian black and Ken [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► Marino as the fall as the fallen angel / [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► demons and realize and it like they got [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► a balance of of deep heavy stuff and and [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► and really funny quality and stuff right [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► and I would hope they would do that a [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► little bit more in season 2 of Asia [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► Carter [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► is this one did get bogged down a little [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► bit from time to time it'll end of them [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► to straight-faced but i'm so looking for [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► the season 2i can't wait to this also [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► i'm dying to find out for Peggy Mary's [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► because they dropped a couple hints [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► about how she's interested matter has [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► been indirectly because of Captain [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► America and now who is it what happened [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► but i think it was a howling commando we [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► find out how my gosh I've always so [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► great to see Neil Donahoe again to life [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► that was nice [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► oh he was so easily missed that the [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► Howling Commandos buying I fast forward [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► into the future that's one of the sad [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► things about the first captain america [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► as we missed those characters we don't [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► get the chance to see them anymore [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► because we move on and live a whole [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► series about them and we must move on [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► now and talk about I'm sorry we have to [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► do it somebody somebody needs to speak [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► for John Constantine against the series [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► against well I just helping businesses [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► for him in the sense that he's that the [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► Constantine you know is exists dot well [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► forgot this place is dead they forget [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► it's really wonderful film it [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► the actor that plays John Constantine [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► look like John Constantine good 20 cast [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► a good job back and I think easy of the [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► rest of that I would be pretty [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► complicated if they wanted to show [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► throughout the rest of the show and just [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► like remake make a new show with him [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► still as John Constantine [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► I would watch that show i think that the [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► problem is everything else to make sure [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► the writing all the side characters [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► applauding it's slightly entertaining [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► that suffers from the sky thing where [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► everybody thinks she's much more [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► interesting than she actually is and [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► yeah good production values to actually [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► the production values that you are [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► actually top-notch but it just it hangs [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► on a bad story he needs to be a season [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► of supernatural is what he needs to be [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► he's crazy charismatic in the role and [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► he's actually it was a little nervous [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► like yeah this is pretty much how he [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► jumps off the covers of the trades i [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► have heard for John Constance is how i [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► imagined in my head and then everything [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► else around it was like this weird [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► boring pseudo x5 was not was like and [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► rejected fringe fringe group and Harold [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► Harold Perrineau deserves better too [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► because one of the things I've always [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► enjoyed about him is how easily he rides [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► that one of ambiguity like all these [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► greatest roles have always been of [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► people who want to be good [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► and have huge flaws in nature and so [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► having him as an angel with a really [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► ambivalent agenda like he could've had a [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► great part and they just wrote him as oh [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► and now here's some exposition and how [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► here's a complication been thrown [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► because well we have to have something [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► to burn up 20 minutes and you know it [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► was a wasted two really good actors and [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► so I just just skip the show [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► don't do what I did which is like skip [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► through and watch the end go wait what [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► oh actually i guess i got is yeah can we [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► take Donald Logue from Gotham and recast [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► him his chance because I feel like he'd [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► be more fun [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► I think so maybe maybe we just we just [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► start like something to kick-start a [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► rescue actress from their contracts and [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► put them in the shows we think they [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► deserve to be and it it can we also to [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► talk for a moment about just the fact [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► that this is an example of the cheap [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► look like cheap TV producer syndrome [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► where they made a pilot they decided to [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► do to get rid of the actress who is [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► playing one of the characters and [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► replace that part with a different [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► character and rather than rather than go [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► out with her best foot forward they just [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► decided to attack like a a change in the [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► last 30 seconds of the pilot and say oh [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► but then she went away and somebody new [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► appeared yeah okay it's just like that [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► is not a way to launch a show is by [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► introducing you two characters and then [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► having one of them just unceremoniously [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► dumped at the end of the hour in about [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► 30 seconds and to me because I've seen [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► her she's been another stuff and she's [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► actually a pretty good actors too but [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► that part was awful and they made her do [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► an American accent which not good so [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► they should I mean and if you want to [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► make a change after the pilot that [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► totally do that but you know you spend [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► money and you know fix the pilot and [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► reshoot the pilot to reshoot those [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► scenes in the pilot but to just do that [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► and you just jerk around in it in our [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► one you've jerked around the viewers i [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► do this is Lucy Griffiths they recast [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► rate yes [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► yeah this needs to be a six-episode BBC [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► show instead or something yeah oh yeah [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► she's gonna be on purpose she's gonna be [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► on preacher so she's got a time [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► um I'm looking for her that I'm looking [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► for [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► well so Constantine was a failure and [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► something nobody really wants to defend [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► it particularly so maybe it's all for [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► the best I think what I would like to [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► see i would like to see that Ryan is the [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► character shop on Lucifer just as an odd [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► uh and an easter egg type thing you know [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► Lucifer just gonna be worse right [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► yeah because because that because the [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► premise which would have made Lucifer [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► great which is the devil runs a piano [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► bar and everyone space with the love [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► boat which is what it should be is has [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► been turned into instead the devil [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► freelances a criminal investigator [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► because why not [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► and I rent frog yes yeah I i would I did [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► like Stephen Amell from aero suggesting [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► that they if Netflix rescued Constantine [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► he would guest star on it and I was like [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► because they would go to him for advice [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► about the Lazarus pits and I was like [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► that would be very interesting but I [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► feel like as soon as you coexist those [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► two universes you have some weirdo and [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► stuff [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► let's move on then from Constantine we [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► don't speak no no further ill of the [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► Dead and we'll move over to our friends [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► at the CW where we have the Flash [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► premiering this this year and we have [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► arrow coming back for a third season [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► let's start with let's start with the [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► incumbent and talk about arrow now guy [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► and dan you guys talked about arrow all [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► year [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► how do you how do you let's start with [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► you about how do you feel about this [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► some this season of arrow takeaways am [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► sadly disjointed I think his visit one [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► of the biggest problems with it which is [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► that it had very unclear through lines [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► in terms of where was going to go in [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► every few episode seems like we're gonna [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► go in a totally different direction now [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► but i think the biggest problem that we [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► identified and talked about a lot is [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► that we have coming off a year with a [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► great villain in Slade Wilson we we get [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► instead [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► Rachel ghoul who should be this really [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► imposing creepy figure but Rachel [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► doesn't really seem to have any sort of [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► goals or motivation other than just [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► having a really cool secret organization [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► which made him really difficult to deal [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► with as a character because all he [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► really seemed to care about was like the [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► internal organization of his of his [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► little group of assassins like I guess [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► up a succession plan and if you set them [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► down really what it what do you need to [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► thank you doing [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► it's where do you see the League of [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► Assassins in five year he just needed [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► like a good estate planner as a lawyer [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► like that but that's not even the issue [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► the issue is what is the League of [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► Assassins do it's never made clear we [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► spend an entire see it today they did [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► they do the seating and the brackets and [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► then you know it's mainly just capture [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► the flag environment plz so they also [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► kill people occasionally but that's more [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► of a side project just to pay for the [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► BBQ yes that's right [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► so I think there are still a lot of [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► great moments there are certainly a lot [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► of great i mean the mid-season break [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► which ends with Oliver getting stabbed [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► in falling off a cliff [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► even though you were pretty sure that he [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► was coming back we still really well [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► done i especially like Stephen amell's [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► tweet after that well as run well played [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► yeah yeah that was good that was early [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► for a midseason finale [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► it was just like all my girls were just [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► like old movies a gas before the scene [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► yeah I'll give you that but i think that [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► there are the back half of the season [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► just it was it was tricky to get into [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► the heads of the characters Oliver sort [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► of double his plan is unclear and kind [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► of changes from moment to moment there's [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► lots of weaknesses and a lot of things [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► that could be involved by the while the [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► old it's the old TV problem of like look [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► if you just told a few people what your [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► plan was like I just explained this [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► ahead of time you put something in [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► writing and sign it and yeah like that [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► would really solve a lot of problems and [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► angst I think for me like the Rajah gold [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► character like I i wasn't really [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► familiar with makes up for you know son [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► of the demon and you know Liam Neeson [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► plan B estonia and and he was really [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► don't like heat like again that writing [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► explained his purpose a little [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► differently and if he felt intimidating [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► that I go through and I sweep out what [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► needs to be swept that no one else will [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► do but you know this rise me not [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► somebody and when you know we talk a lot [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► guy night and and John let's talk a lot [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► about you know the racial and other [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► forms including conflicts and the batman [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► animated series which is a a even even [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► that is a better person every no terrors [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► the League of Assassins right right [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► there is like again this sort of like [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► global conflict right that they probably [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► taken but this this league of assassins [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► kind of toothless and they there's a lot [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► of time traveling back and forth to [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► Nanda Parbat via some magical super [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► subway that goes through the middle of [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► the earth or something it only takes 20 [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► minutes [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► everything takes 20 minutes from Star [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► City though because they're always [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► popping back to the island where nobody [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► thought to look for all over 45 years [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► and yeah it's it's that's one of the [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► perpetual mysteries on that show they [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► got fastjet's good just like magic [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► public transit ok Starling city has a [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► lot of infrastructure problems [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► especially after they lost a whole [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► section C due to earthquake but great [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► public transit let me hear guy guy [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► what's your what's your take on on arrow [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► season 3 [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► what do you think that they did blew it [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► haha guys must you think of me at the [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► end of season two when I had to rush [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► i'll go is gonna be on it I was worried [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► because I thought that was biting off a [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► lot also seemed like there was more [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► interesting things to do with the [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► character at the beginning of the season [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► I had high hopes will they date to kill [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► Sarah which really upset me because she [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► had I love my character I like that [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► actress blood and she has a big role of [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► the interim management yeah so that was [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► like what was that kind of shocked me at [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► that you know by the end of season two [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► had placed a lot of fate of the writers [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► by the end of season three that faith is [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► shaken quite a bit and I don't know how [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► much of it is that maybe the showrunners [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► we were focused on launching the flash [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► which we'll talk about but they did a [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► tremendous job on or at you know I don't [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► know they were trying to outdo the slave [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► wheels and plot by being even more [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► sleepy willfully i don't i don't really [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► get what they were doing [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► we did see the short shake up a lot i'm [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► in characters coming and going and I [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► think we're set up for the next season i [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► mean the next season has to be later [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► it just has to be there's no way it [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► can't be like darker than that [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► so about Brandon how about brand around [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► for his red Palmer honey i love it i [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► love him i left i really liked him [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► Superman I thank you i did to that yeah [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► I think of anything the the lac I mean [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► that the the story of that Superman [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► Returns kind of [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► the train because I thought he did it [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► tremendous job with matt and i like to [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► my head like them on track to I think he [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► does a great job [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► my name is he's got great comedic timing [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► and he's often he was refreshing in this [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► season two with which is so tower at [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► points that he was kind of a break your [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► lifeline right he's the ralph bellamy of [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► modern love modern filmmaking where [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► Ralph Bellamy was that the Baxters that [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► were like the charming perfectly nice [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► guy that the heroine always throws over [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► for somebody who's just patently about [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► idea and the thing I really like about [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► Brandon's mouth is he basically owns it [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► at this point and I I think being kind [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► of a self-conscious dorky Baxter works [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► for him and I loved him on the flash [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► when Wendy and actually it [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► yeah when the antacid the atom is gonna [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► be on the flashes like sorry on era I [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► was like that can't possibly work that [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► makes no sense at all and thank goodness [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► she was there because he's like a [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► Ramirez image version of Tony Stark like [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► when you think about it because they're [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► both billionaire geniuses there's no [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► wonder it's used to clone he's like a [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► carbon como no except that Tony Stark [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► has his play with the ladies got chill [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► and I don't yeah you know Ray Palmer has [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► no chill is a big dork with be seen you [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► know every episode of dr who that's what [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► it's got going for him okay this season [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► they even made Felicity kinda really sad [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► most of the time yeah it's really good i [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► mean don't I i said was not a fan of um [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► so I I've always thought this show had a [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► dino problem and they actually fix the [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► diner problem this season and I love [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► with her character ended up I thought it [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► was phenomenal the way they character of [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► the way they worked on her character [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► this year I i am in the minority in [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► believing that they plausibly evolved [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► this woman who have a lot of anger and [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► not a lot of direction for it into [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► somebody who doesn't be besties with her [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► sisters ex girlfriend and becomes a much [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► more effective vigilante and I like the [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► estrangement between her and her dad [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► because that reads is really true these [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► are just two people who were who used to [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► count on each other and it was a huge [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► betrayal and i loved it [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► I'm going at 10 degree I I that's it i [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► don't like what they did with Felicity [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► because it feels like like the secret [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► origin story first of all dressing up [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► that after like a golf is just a mistake [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► but I [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► if you like they they try to jump the [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► shark feels like they're like family we [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► suppose we have to make her worthy of [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► this billionaire Archer vigilante come [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► foo fighter assassin dude so let's all [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► of a sudden make her quasi-independent [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► plays I wealthy courtesy of her job and [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► give her a bunch of promotions and now [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► she owns the company and she already was [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► a virtue of being awesome [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► well she was awesome yeah but yeah so [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► yeah I don't you don't you don't need [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► all the other stuff I i think i think [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► and i think i actually may have said [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► this in a flash cast like logically [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► speaking Oliver is the guy she might [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► have had someone for about six months [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► but I really feel like she would have [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► been better off with Ray and it would [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► not have hurt if the show had gone that [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► direction so for it to go to completely [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► different direction we're over the [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► Philistines the thing that saves all [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► over and cheese cheese happy ending at [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► the end of the season she's reward and [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► true love Rob Lowe like every time we [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► get there we had like maybe season 3 [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► will be like you know i was just [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► drinking can be bust-up with the girls [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► be drinkin shoot natural polish oh no [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► this this season did right by Dinah in [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► my opinion the season also did right by [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► thea and I like the greatest thing they [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► did for her the season in my opinion was [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► people stop lying to her and she got her [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► own power because light at the end of [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► last season it's so clear the reason she [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► runs off with Malcolm Merlyn issues like [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► holy crap my city has been taken over by [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► bioengineer assassin dudes and then and [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► then oh god it's like the greatest thing [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► I've her father with the arrows he takes [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► her away and it's so obvious why three [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► runs away and this whole season was [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► about her coming back and and forcing [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► people to be honest with her and owning [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► her power and owning her [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► responsibilities and they finally did [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► right by her oh yeah definitely didn't [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► want things to be seen one of the [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► reasons that I wanted to that I was [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► excited to flash flash flash flash cast [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► yeah yeah is that this was a week season [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► of the arrow but i do think that arrow [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► as lesson with a problem with women [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► characters than the flash those icy [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► brass today actually think flash has [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► been a more cohesive show this season [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► their characters have been the little [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► bit on the [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► maybe we should watch it fly no actually [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► episode so yeah if you're the most [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► interesting thing that they've done with [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► arrow this season's in setting up for [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► next season is the total basically [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► abolishment of the secret identity which [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► is to say everybody else on the show now [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► knows that Oliver Queen is the arrow the [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► arrow is basically dead for all the [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► attention Portland doesn't like secret [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► identity and and that's smart because [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► thatthat strokes but I mean like anybody [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► who watch more than a season of [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► Williston Clark got really boring to me [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► and and it just it's it's refreshing to [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► not have to deal with that even though [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► it can lend itself to dramatic irony at [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► certain points [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► I feel like that's a road that so many [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► superhero shows him down i'm really glad [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► the flash doesn't spend too much time on [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► it with the exception of virus which [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► we'll get into I'm sure but the the back [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► to zero it is year spends all like [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► basically reveal that to every last [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► remaining character that is is a really [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► solid market its favor because it sort [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► of takes all right we've done that we're [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► moving on from there and i think that's [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► that's an interesting place to go [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► setting up for the next season there are [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► innumerable strong women on arrow [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► yeah and that is certainly not the case [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► on flash you are using the bad guys in a [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► narrow even bad casted and will doesn't [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► there's nessa from season two [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► there is time keep it well looky Cupid [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► to the whelks that was kinda flat and oh [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► god it was hilarious which is talk about [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► her wedding plans yesterday yeah it's [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► just fun but I'm talking about the woman [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► who was on a Firefly [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► Oh God her summer glau that one summer [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► glau exactly is out but even like that [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► they didn't bother making rationality is [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► kind of not even a bit like aggression [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► out for her to be a bad guy [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► you can go like Moira queen there's so [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► many believe there's so many fully [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► realized women character i love the [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► Huntress shot dressed up because her dad [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► being a criminal but still he has no [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► yeah but she's got every she's just as [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► crazy as Holly yep [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► yeah you should come back she should be [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► like I want you to meet my boyfriend the [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► question I want to yeah questions so [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► much do I have to say and this is a kind [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► of flash arrow crossover point here [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► first i'll say i started watching arrow [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► because of the [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► because of a flash crossover I was like [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► oh because i don't want to pilot night [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► just never continue watching and I saw [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► the first crossover episode said I mean [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► yeah I played into their trap there [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► right wishes [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► hey you're watching the flash but you [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► know we got this other show you should [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► probably watch that taste is totally [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► totally worked [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► but I as i watch the flash and and we [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► and we have a problem with the the women [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► characters on the flash a and and we [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► have the i'll say it I actually think [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► fantastic chemistry between Felicity and [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► Barry on-the-fly I keep the exact I keep [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► thinking they should one it makes [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► everything else on the flash kind of [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► pale in comparison to can we [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► I know it would be bad for arrow because [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► we just import that character into the [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► flash because he's great on the flash [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► she's good she's really great on arrow [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► but she has better chemistry with [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► everybody so have I told you guys might [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► inhabit theory about Felicity and her [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► dad [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► Noah ok so might in that field theory [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► also seen her dad and this was actually [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► born out of an episode of the flash is [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► here the writers on the record saying oh [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► Felicity's dad is a big deal and you [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► know you'll be shocked what you find out [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► that explains a lot about Felicity I [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► think she's I think she's bothered by [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► your thought blah that usually employ I [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► can stream while I love you we've ended [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► Tony's conspiracy corner with over in [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► the corner [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► it was great Oh Tony sighs look guys I [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► gotta drive diagram hold on okay [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► huh we can do anything we want we went [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► through a wormhole ah how old is she [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► that might not work at corner is taking [TS]