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00:00:27 ◼   ► people in fact the entire premise of [TS]

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00:00:31 ◼   ► else got the ability to fly one day [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► that's what it's all about [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► there's a regular guy named Paul he's [TS]

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00:00:58 ◼   ► the incomparable number 248 may 2015 [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► smell in this episode we are reconvening [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► at long last for another class from [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► Professor siracusa who is going to tell [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► us about anime and expand and expand our [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► minds just as he did in an episode it's [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► hard to believe two years ago when John [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► assigned perfect blue and millennium [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► actress to us he's back now with anime [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► 102 featuring ghost in the shell the [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► film as well as the standalone complex [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► TV series [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► hello professor siracusa how are you [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► tonight you know this whole 101-102 [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► course progression thing I think we're [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► finding out where your limit is and it's [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► actually apparently had one halfway [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► through a lot of course 102 [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► yeah this is a weed out courses as we've [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► just experienced apparently i thought [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► this was I knew this would be more [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► challenging but I figured the Jason [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► would at least make it into one or three [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► but now I think Jason is not really his [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► future as an army major is a maybe his [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► future maybe in the past that's what is [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► pretty much auditing this course so that [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► voice that you heard as Tony said the [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► Lord hi Tony [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► I Jason and Erica and sign also is [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► enrolled in this class [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► well actually I had to test into it so [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► I'm just hoping that you got to maybe [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► credit that records you put you put [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► toward this there's no way we can burn [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► this metaphor down what I would say is I [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► i anticipated as I did the last time [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► being able to watch some of this while I [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► was traveling on long airplane five [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► flights but it's very difficult to watch [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► anime on the airplane because of the [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► boobs [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► yeah I I thought you're gonna say [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► subtitles but that answer is also [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► correct units in VR goggles maybe yeah [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► whatever i watch this in the food court [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► at the mall I didn't have any yahoo that [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► I mean the mall that's pretty much lost [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► cause anyway who's gonna judge you at [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► the mall but I was trapped in the same [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► you can get up and leave if you're [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► embarrassed an airplane to you you can't [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► do that so I idx [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► we watch a big chunk of ghost in the [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► shell on the plane and then I got to the [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► part where at the end where that the [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► shirt gets ripped off and I was like [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► okay I'm just gonna watch the rest of [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► this later [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► yeah I didn't watch the movie at the [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► mall yeah i watched i watch the movie [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► and I i watched two episodes of the TV [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► show that's that's that's when I managed [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► so that's there you go professor [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► you can grade me in getting a d-minus [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► who out of 26 what is that you can pick [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► not a good what he's talking about [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► we're going for a low score right it's [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► like golf it's not I mean it's like with [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► assigned reading it's not about how much [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► of the reading you did [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► it's how many pages can you fill in the [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► paper that's all that matters how many [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► sparknotes yeah so so Jason if you can [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► talk for an hour and a half about those [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► two episodes you're good nope his [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► margins are going to be really really [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► wide [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah I i should have to him I [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► should've bought the cliff notes i'm [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► sure i could have done that but it's too [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► late now shmoop shmoop we could get some [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► scoop some sparknotes get them in their [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► monarch notes and I would have us [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► believe so John can you explain to us a [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► little bit about why you selected this [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► for anime 102 also ghost in the shell [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► the movie is one of the sort of pillars [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► of modern anime high and I think it's a [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► a great jumping-off point for two [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► reasons one because you want to like [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► let's look at this classic that [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► everybody talks about to the deuce is so [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► influential on so many newish anime fans [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► and i think it's interesting because I [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► it is in my opinion not really overrated [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► like it is correctly rated it's actually [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► very very influential and also very good [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► and I liked it because there was a TV [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► series spin-off and that it provides an [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► interesting contrast like you have this [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► this a movie that's very popular and [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► failure influential how do you turn that [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► into a TV series what does that look [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► or is it as successful as the movie in [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► more ways it has to be different and [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► they're both community called ghost in [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► the shell and there was a bunch of other [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► seasons the television series after that [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► but just looking at this influential [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► movie and this television series [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► spin-off i think is really interesting [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► and instructive and I wish you'd watch [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► more TV series because this lot of good [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► contrast there but even if you know you [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► didn't i just the movie itself has a lot [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► of stuff to dig into and [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► the television series is mostly [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► interesting i think in a format contrast [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► and thematically covers all the same [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► ground is there something about this [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► franchise or the film in it specifically [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► that made it that made it jump out as [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► like compared to other anime that you [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► could watch him you have this watch the [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► satoshi kon stuff and obviously watched [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► a lot of miyazaki which is a totally [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► other thing what what you know it what [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► makes the stand out from other things i [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► think i think from our perspective it's [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► just that we are in America and it was [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► historically very difficult to get [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► japanese animation and once company [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► started figuring out that they could [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► import this stuff and once it could be [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► important to sort of illegally over the [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► internet and everything that that it you [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► know sort of the anime invasion it's not [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► it's not as if like there's it's not as [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► if this is you know the first or super [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► new or anything like that because you [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► know you gotta cure and stuff like that [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► process because this this was sort of [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► the tip of the spear of the mass [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► invasion of anime into American culture [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► for like mainstream I mean it's not [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► entirely mainstream but it was it was [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► more mainstream and it had been in the [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► past and I mean and that was basically [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► that's about marketing right i mean they [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► should they decided this was going to be [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► this kind of test case for trying to [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► push it and i mean i remember in the [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► late nineties you could this was you [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► could you could get a ghost in the shell [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► at a blockbuster video you could rent it [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► right and they didn't they had that in [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► the ad acura maybe the head ninja scroll [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► and that was it right [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► yep and and that was it that's really [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► all it took was a few things to sort of [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► stand out and I i would I don't know [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► what it's like for the Japanese [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► perspective but having seen a lot of [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► anime mrs. Grose Michelle is good i [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► would put it above let's say ninja [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► scroll for example but through a few [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► companies he gave it a try and i think [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► that you know the the internet and the [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► trading of fansubs and everything [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► surrounding this especially the [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► television series afterwards brought a [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► japanese animation too much water [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► audience in the u.s. so that's why it's [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► remember that's that again that's why I [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► picked it because you think oh well [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► whatever goes and does not actually that [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► good just because that's when anime just [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► happened to come to the u.s. in a big [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► way and I was into anime before ghost in [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► the shell and it's you know whatever [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► like you would think it would be [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► crappy movie but i think it's actually [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► great movie and it's kind of a shame [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► that it gets sort of looked down upon as [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► the sort of thing that came in that [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► spread anime to the people who are who [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► are really into it so this movie is from [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► 1995 it struck me immediately that [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► before I even looked anything up on [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► Wikipedia like in the first 10 minutes i [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► thought wow the entire matrix is stolen [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► from ghost in the shell [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► yeah well I mean I the matrix very [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► heavily influenced by japanese animation [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► a lot of people who are excited about [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► the matrix were excited because there [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► had never really been a sort of live [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► action anime conversion that was [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► remotely interesting or convincing or [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► good and this was like well it's not [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► live action anime but this is what I [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► imagined good live-action anybody would [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► be like but yeah there's this old [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► nineties sort of cyberpunk you know that [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► that that all that that's wasn't [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► invented by ghosts Michelle me see tons [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► of blade runner inside this and [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► everything as well sure yeah i just [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► think well yeah you can see the chain of [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► the chain of events here right but I [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► mean just the visuals the green the [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► green or huetter that had a nineties [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► zoom in and all that that though it but [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► it's like there's stuff in the first 10 [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► minutes of this movie that is just it is [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► in the matrix the matrix you said that [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► that and then I found an article that [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► basically said the Wachowskis said that [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► we're going to do that we're gonna make [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► that and so they made that now would [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► that was the matrix am I just it i [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► didn't know going in that it was that [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► this that this was influential in that [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► way but it became readily available like [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► really apparent immediately that it was [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► yeah and you know i never i didn't [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► actually put that together until we [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► watching this this time and i have seen [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► it a number of times before and I saw [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► this well before I saw the matrix and [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► somehow still didn't put it together [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► watching the matrix the guys just so [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► wrapped up in my excitement about the [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► matrix that I didn't notice it but yeah [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► it's it's very easy to draw a kind of a [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► line between between this and the matrix [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► and I think it's one of those things [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► where I enjoy this so much that of [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► course i was going to like the matrix [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► I like the matrix so much that of course [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► going back to watch this is going to be [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► really exciting it's kind of like how [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► you know i love the beatles therefore i [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► can't really slag off always this all [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► that much because it really sounds a lot [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► like that because they wanted a really [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► really like they liked the Beatles as [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► much as you do [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► he said maybe more as long as you agree [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► that this movie is the beatles this [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► analogy I'm fine with ionic we go now [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► speaking of the matrix like and they had [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► that's actually interesting comparisons [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► well because the op-ed influences are [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► obvious but i think the sort of world [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► context of ghost in the shell is [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► actually a really solid found a sci-fi [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► foundation for stories that is just a [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► well-thought-out and has themes that [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► like it a lot of the criticism the ghost [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► in shell gets that hits you over the [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► head of its pains and I agree it's a [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► gigantic sledge hammer hitting you in [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► the face repeat like it has themes [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► you're going to know them I and but i [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► think the the world surrounding this is [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► flushed down the TV series can actually [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► support all these things because it hits [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► you over things like yeah okay we get it [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► robots people whatever ghost yeah I get [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► it but you don't really get it because [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► everything that they're subtle things in [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► the movie which will go through and a [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► bit and in a television series that [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► continue to throw the realities of the [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► setting back in your face in ways that [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► surprise you because you will settle in [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► to start thinking of this as a police [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► procedural or an action movie or [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► whatever and you'd be like oh oh yeah [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► that's what generally being with me I [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► forgot about that and the television [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► series of us a over several seasons did [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► that and the movie I think throughout [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► its entire running time continues to [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► tweak you with its premise and setting [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► making you look at it from a different [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► angle and realize all the ramifications [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► in it in a way that makes you [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► uncomfortable and I think that type of [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► thing is beyond the realm of what the [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► matrix was interested in doing matrix [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► head it's one twisted wanted to do and I [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► wanted to be cool and it it took away it [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► took away from this movie The the sort [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► of mainstream more palatable exciting [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► things guns [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► fighting robot computers pakery type [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► stuff but didn't really want to [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► challenge you too much with the with the [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► sort of a real-world hard sci-fi [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► implications and instead went to a more [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► sort of spiritual mumbo-jumbo thing [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► especially in later movies [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► yeah I'd seen that I'd seen the film [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► many many times but this that the [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► standalone complex was new to me in [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► preparation for this episode I thought [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► it was kind of this neat in that it's [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► basically this police procedural but set [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► in this fully fleshed-out cyberpunk [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► world with all these rules and mechanics [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► that were I thought pretty consistently [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► applied across all the episodes that in [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► a very convincing world-building kind of [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► way so I enjoyed it [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► in fact I mean I don't want to jump [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► ahead to the show yet but but i did when [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► i got to the end of the movie i [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► immediately thought oh a show set in [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► this world makes a lot of sense like I [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► see in fact in some in some ways I felt [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► like a show set in this world without [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► you know standalone episodes as well as [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► a you know I'm an overarching story like [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► I think maybe that makes more sense to [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► me then the movie because the movie is [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► trying to tell this big thing and I have [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► some criticisms of of the of the way the [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► movie does it but I thought immediately [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► this is a really rich world that would [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► really benefit from having time to [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► explore it which is what the show does [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► and having only seen a couple of the [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► most like that yeah this it's like this [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► is exactly what I what I envisioned so I [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► I ran out of time I did not watch them [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► because i didn't like them because i [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► actually once i started watching the [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► episodes i thought oh this is really a [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► lot of fun and I and I like totally get [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► what they're what they're going for you [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► know one of the ways that Professor [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► Syracuse's anime 102 is a little bit [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► different from other courses here on [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► campus is that it has a sponsor and that [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► sponsor is mail route imagine a world [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► without spam viruses or bounced email [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► imagine opening your email and seeing [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► only the legitimate mail that you want [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► and need to receive mail route can make [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► this a daily reality in fact here this [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► unnamed University where Professor [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► siracusa teaches anime we trust me [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► around to filter out our spam as most [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► large universities and corporations [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► should and many do if your desktop user [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► male rats user interface simple and [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► effective [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► you're an email administrator IT [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► professional they've got all the tools [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► that you need an API for easy account [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► management it supports ldap Active [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► Directory TLS male bagging male bagging [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► outbound relay everything you'd want [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► from whoever is handling your mail now [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► there's no hardware software to set up [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► it all lives in the cloud mail route [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► takes your mail you point your MX [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► records for your domain and mail route [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► it filters everything passes it on to [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► your server your server never sees the [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► big bad internet and is protected from [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► all the bad stuff that's out there and [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► you can start a risk-free trial with [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► mail route no credit card necessary you [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► sign up change your MX records and [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► that's it your mailbox is completely [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► protected all listeners to the [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► incomparable can receive ten percent off [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► mail route for a lifetime of your [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► account so visit mail route dotnet / [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► smell [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► now that's mail route dotnet / smell my [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► last name and that ends this course is [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► sponsorship now back to the professor [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► and his course I guess we'll start with [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► the opening scene because i think this [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► is this the themes in the opening scene [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► repeated throughout the entire movie in [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► a way that I think people who are [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► familiar with the movie take for granted [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► and even myself like I mean I've seen [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► this movie a million times and [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► rewatching it again twice for this [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► podcast the two times I thought it was [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► imminent [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► I'm struck by how I didn't have things [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► that for granted to come back to me as [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► fresh but one of the things I've always [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► thought about this movie is the opening [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► you mentioned the boobs earlier [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► beginning and at the end but really not [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► in the middle there's a long boobless [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► stretch here at boobs are staple of [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► anime they're there they're bouncing [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► they're going to be in the movies and [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► most of the time they're in anime [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► they're going to be there for you for [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► the expected reasons because it targeted [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► at hot men and they like to see boobs [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► fanservice you know that is the usual [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► reason you see naked women or scantily [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► clad women or whatever in anime and this [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► movie opens with the scene with the [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► major on top of the building eventually [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► she swoops down the building shoots [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► through a wall and kill somebody or [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► whatever but as part of that sequence [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► she takes off our clothes and you're [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► like oh here we go again [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► roll like dude you gotta have your your [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► feminine hero even if she is a tough [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► secret agent type person or if she's a [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► cyborg course she's gonna take off her [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► clothes and wear skimpy outfits like [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► it's just you have to do it right but [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► even before they get to that there was [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► one of the first exchanges and the movie [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► is there talking to her over the headset [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► and this is some static in your brain or [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► whatever and she says it's that time of [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► month same type of thing you're thinking [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► of another eye roll like these women and [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► their time of month right and it seems [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► to be your typical sort of sexist anime [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► fair but all that stuff is done type [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► whether it's done with the purpose movie [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► or i'm projecting onto the people i [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► really truly want to believe that they [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► were doing this consciously I and not [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► just for the reasons at that we expect [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► them to do it because hey we got to have [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► a naked one we're gonna have around the [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► cover [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► we're gonna have her stay here time bunt [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► I really have to think we and it is [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► borne out i think but a television [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► series being an intelligent the world [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► being very interesting and complicated [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► this is done with the purpose that is [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► counter to the normal purpose why she's [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► saying it's that time about it when you [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► just start the movie you have no idea [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► you have no context for that you think [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► it's just a silly joke a woman's expense [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► as the movie goes on you realize she has [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► no time of month she's a full side bar [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► is full conversion cyborg that then it [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► becomes like okay we're just making a [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► joke but it's kind of like a sex joke [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► right so why she naked [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► well there you know there's an inn story [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► reason for that is negative because [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► that's how her thermoptic camouflage [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► work so how convenient your camouflage [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► only works when you're completely naked [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► right which you said you you made an in [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► story reason to get your heroine naked [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► immediately there's gotta be some hurts [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► that you think but the other reason is [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► that it throughout the entire movie the [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► major is naked frequently and I i think [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► there is an in-store reason for that as [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► well and has to do with the major [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► challenging the people around her to see [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► her as anything other than a machine [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► she's like daring them to say bitches do [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► you look at me as a machine or am I a [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► woman I and her nakedness in this in [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► this first scene is you know you're [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► expecting the audience looking at always [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► it's a naked woman and isn't that [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► exciting a naked woman shooting people [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► right exciting and titillating right but [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► as the movie goes on you realize is that [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► a naked woman or is it a machine shaped [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► like a woman that needs to be in this [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► configuration for camouflage purposes [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► like it [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► the major is sort of spiritual struggle [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► throughout this entire thing with you [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► know her ghost and everything is how [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► does what is her conception of herself [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► mystery woman or is she a machine and I [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► guess the theme by keeping her over the [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► head with this movie but every part of [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► the movie is challenging everybody [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► around her [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► this character in the movie and the [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► audience to revisit that question [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► because it's so easy to slip back into [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► thinking you're just watching an [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► animated movie of a woman and i don't [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► know how many times you have to watch [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► this movie to start looking from that [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► angle but it always seems obvious to me [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► that her nakedness throughout this movie [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► and in the credits sequence which starts [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► with something that looks like a robot [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► and ends with something looks like a [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► woman challenging you to say we just [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► showed you the steps it starts with a [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► bunch of metal and ends with a woman why [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► you're looking at that as a woman you [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► just saw how we built that we built it [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► out of metal right we showed you how the [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► movies are made now how do you feel [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► I don't know if anyone else got that [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► from that sequencer you just looked at [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► it with an eye roll instead of making [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► women i think that this movie does a [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► really good job of sort of having it [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► both ways because you're you're [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► absolutely right that's the staple of [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► animes is to have the boobs the pretty [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► girls and stuff like that and I I really [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► looked at it very much the same way that [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► you did John in that you know she is [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► this creature who is you know one either [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► one thing or the other [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► maybe both we don't know and she she has [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► chosen this form and that was the thing [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► that I kept coming back to throughout [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► both the movie and the TV show where you [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► everyone will get a really sort of [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► gratuitous shot and I think that that [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► happened probably more in the TV show [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► that that you know it would just can't [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► take me right out of it for a second and [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► then I'd be like wait a minute this is [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► all complete artifice I mean this isn't [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► just the pretty girl using her [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► prettiness to to distract the bad guys [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► this is a person choosing this shell [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► that is you know has ABS you know maybe [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► it doesn't look like heard about maybe [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► she wasn't even female to start with we [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► don't know and and I find it fascinating [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► to kind of like take a step back and [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► think about it from that from that [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► perspective so I I maybe it's also just [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► me perspective projecting because i want [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► to think that they did this on purpose [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► but i think that it was it was just sort [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► of an artfully done [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► way to include all of the things that [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► you need to have a successful film [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► especially in 1995 but to make some [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► commentary on that for you know in a [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► subtle way for the people who are going [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► to recognize it as such [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► yeah I think they're taking the kind of [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► standard tropes that we would expect in [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► that and subverting them basically yeah [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► the contrast between to tell I think [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► you're totally right the television [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► series says okay we're gonna have some [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► underwear upskirt shots like we're just [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► we're just gonna do it right they ran [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► out of subversion for the team right [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► you should see the output she was in [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► later seasons like it's obviously [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► they're gonna have that but i think the [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► movie plays it straight pretty much [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► entirely like every seen it there's a [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► there's an inn story explanation or [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► thematic explanation of why is this [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► character doing this and it not that all [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► my notes are about making this but [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► helped a lot of them are like it's not [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► going so in the scene when she wakes up [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► in our department not another iconic [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► scene in the movie she gets up he opens [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► a window she gets out of bed walks gets [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► on our jacket and walks out of the room [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► that scene you know waking up in the [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► morning [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► it didn't have a shower sequence which [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► if you've seen a lot of anime is [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► surprising how you had a woman wake up [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► and you didn't show me take her taking a [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► shower how how did she get clean the [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► more she doesn't get clean she doesn't [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► need to hurt a little bit we see it [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► right you know she doesn't mean that's [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► what she does that's all anyway [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► different movie and she should they show [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► her waking up without cutting away she [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► walks into another room she walks back [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► out with her jacket on she's done [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► that's her morning routine she doesn't [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► need to do anything else is trying to [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► say she's not human to get it cuz you've [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► got to focus on the human a point is [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► made that he is not cybernetic that she [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► wanted him on the squad because he isn't [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► cybernetic muon different point of view [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► eventually you have her driving with no [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► hands talking about her mouth moving all [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► staples of this universe but surprising [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► to begin with when she fights that guy [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► that the guy they're chasing around she [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► fights some of the big pool of water or [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► whatever at the end of that scene she's [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► standing over him having knocked him out [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► she's completely naked bateau is there [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► with her and he's looking at the gun [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► saying you're using the wrong ammunition [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► for this gun you're running the muscle [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► which is in character for him but he [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► doesn't care that she's naked behind him [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► and you know it's like again her being [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► naked is partly for the camouflage but [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► why why she [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► just standing there completely naked she [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► could get her clothes back on but she's [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► like would say he he actually there's a [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► scene right after that where he does [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► cover her i'm now that's what you're [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► saying so I think he does care she [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► certainly doesn't write somebody that's [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► all think that's the interaction between [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► the two of them she is daring him to [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► view her as anything other than a [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► machine and during the combat he's [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► intentionally looking at the gun and [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► saying okay well i'm i'm not going to [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► during working times you know i'm not [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► going to do that but then he does come [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► over and put a jack why you putting a [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► job it's like putting a jacket over your [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► motorcycle you know what I mean like it [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► in one respect for the other respect [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► that shows it like there's a romantic [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► tension between these two characters [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► movies very subtle sort of crouching [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► tiger hidden dragon kind of unrequited [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► tip of the tension is there because [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► they're both machines right so how do [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► these to dance around the fact that they [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► have these feelings for each other but [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► they're both full conversion cyborgs and [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► treat each other like coworkers [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► but at a certain point he still because [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► they were once human rights still feels [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► compelled to put the jacket over it [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► happens multiple times where it's some [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► points [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► she's being treated as a person at other [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► points you've been treated like a [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► passenger in a woman shape tank one of [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► my favorite scenes in the entire movie [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► if not my favorite scene is when she's [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► diving and she and she sinks to the [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► bottom that's mine too [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► I i really enjoy that because that that [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► is the movie saying she's not human [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► she sinks to the bottom I i really like [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► that and then she comes back out and has [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► the conversation and that that that is [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► that scene is entirely about what it [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► means to be human or not human because [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► he's asking why do you even do this at [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► and and especially since you don't [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► really you know [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► float like a human being you have to use [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► kind of assistance to float i think that [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► is a fascinating scene and she's wearing [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► she's wearing clothes in that scene john [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► but it is the same themes exactly the [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► same as the same challenge though I get [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► that CD she's wearing clothes but here's [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► the check them off it when she gets back [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► about right and and he and he averts his [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► eyes when she's getting address he turns [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► his back why you turning your back now [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► but you weren't then you didn't get a [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► different context but their challenge at [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► that point is this is what are you going [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► to do if the floaty things stopped [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► working [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► any and and she goes would you dive in [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► after me like a challenge [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► would you know well do you love me or [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► not like what you're diving after me no [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► one forced you to come right [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► like am I person or thing it's her [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► constant challenging of bat-toad [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► specifically about the nature of their [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► relationship and the nature of their [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► being and they're both being converted [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► cyborgs and i think the the contrast is [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► this is much better in the movie than in [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► the television series with television [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► series all the conventional in the [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► movies [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► that's always got you no artificial eyes [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► that don't look like eyes look like [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► little silver discs but his little [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► silver circles are much more expressive [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► in human than her big giant beautiful [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► eyes because her big giant beautiful [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► eyes my doll's eyes right they look [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► completely inhuman whereas the express [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► the expressiveness of his tiny little [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► gray circles are so much greater really [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► mean that it's it's a it's got to be [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► intentional it's a fairly good feat of [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► subtle animation technique to show her [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► to show her sort of sidebar bodies being [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► somehow more inhuman them back toes even [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► though they're both full conversions [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► it's highlighting that the relationship [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► between two of them which they don't [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► speak a lot of lines that you have [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► lessons together is very subtle [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► especially in the end the Hollywood sort [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► of pantheon of these type of [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► relationships where they were [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► this is something they don't hit you [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► over the head with i can imagine lots of [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► people got into anime watch home movies [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► and did not understand the relationship [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► between these two at all that scene is [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► actually that's also my favorite scene [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► it's just indelibly etched in my memory [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► from the very first time i watched this [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► movie back in like 1996-97 whenever we [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► got it for the first time and I think it [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► i mean it is kind of a sledgehammer he [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► seen you know we're talking about the [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► themes that this movie has because this [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► is I think the most blatant that it's [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► it's sort of stated talking about [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► whether you know is she human or not you [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► know her her speech about if they get [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► called to duty she can metabolize all [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► the alcohol in her system within 10 [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► seconds or whatever it is but I think [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► it's it is so poets the most poetic [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► sledgehammer that I've ever been hit [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► over the head with so it doesn't bother [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► yeah I have the CNMI notes as well for [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► one specific reason [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► the a particular part of this scene [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► where she comes up from the surface with [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► her little floaty things and looks at [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► the sky through her goggles with the [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► water droplets on them as the clouds [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► drift by that particular moment is sort [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► of what if I had to like you know sort [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► of file anime away and my brain under [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► particular thing that particular moment [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► is my my defining characteristic of all [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► the enemy that I love it's it's [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► basically a recurring motif and a lot of [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► my favorite anime and probably in [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► Japanese culture in general as far as i [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► can tell duelling on the fine details of [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► sensory experiences particularly those [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► involving the interaction between the [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► man weird world in the natural there are [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► moments like that in a lot of anime a [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► lot of my favorite anime a couple [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► examples I I thought over the notes over [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► like at the beginning kiki's delivery [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► service where she's sitting on the hill [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► with the wind blowing the radio playing [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► they dwell on that because it is a [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► century experience that we can relate to [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► i don't think you ever ever been scuba [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► diving or gun diving with a mask or [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► anything that that thing of looking [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► through a mask with water droplet time [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► to the rest of the world and feeling [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► like you are inside but you're really [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► outside like you're looking through a [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► window out onto the rest of the world [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► that's a real feeling that I've had and [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► they captured in this movie in like [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► whispered the hard they showed the slow [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► start of a rainstorm on on a city they [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► do on that for a long time if you watch [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► anything by makoto shinkai the sounds of [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► the summer insects are like a theme of [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► his movies because obviously something [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► had a big influence on him those type of [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► scenes like what what makes anime [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► different than regular movies and i [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► would say aside from all the animation [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► and the ninjas in the robots and boobs [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► it's the table in any one of these [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► movies even with ninjas robots and boobs [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► they will put a scene like this where [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► you're looking through the lens of your [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► thing with with the water droplets on it [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► that will resonate with at least with me [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► at a deeper level then I mean maybe how [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► people feel when they watch terrence [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► malick things are like other you know [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► live-action directors of quote-unquote [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► serious movies the japanese animation [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► always speaks to me because every movie [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► will have some small scene like that and [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► when one of them hits home that really [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► hits home and it just adds a whole new [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► layer to a movie that involves cyborgs [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► and tanks but watching a movie I'll and [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► perhaps I was meant to feel this way but [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► I was really confused about what her [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► what the majors story was whether she [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► was and yeah again this is the theme but [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► whether she was once human or always [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► synthetic and i don't know if i missed [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► that or what but I had this whole [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► question of like I don't even know what [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► her deal is is she a robot is she a part [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► person part robot she seems entirely [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► sympathetic and yet there's this [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► question of did she start out as a human [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► being or not and i think that's the [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► setting of the story suggests that this [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► is what's been happening to everybody [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► everybody has this opportunity to be [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► mostly or entirely sympathetic but I it [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► was one of those things that confused me [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► like I didn't I I wasn't sure whether it [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► was meant to be a question or whether i [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► just totally missed it [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► you must go get answered but but only [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► kind of in very briefly in passing but I [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► mean it [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► there's that scene in the elevator we're [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► seeing back to have another kind of you [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► know chat and you know she kind of she [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► is asking that question you know out [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► loud kind of to the audience and bateau [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► cuz i guess kind of plays the role of [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► storyteller but it's just taking it out [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► that they're there is it there is a [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► small organic part of you that is the [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► the human part of you so you know as far [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► as we know she is she's originally a [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► human we don't really get her backstory [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► here or in all 26 episodes that i [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► watched over eventually should do we get [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► a little be explicitly stated ok [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► attending that the elevator seem like [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► he's basically says that it does this by [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► the way Jason is another staple of anime [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► they will be a complicated setting and [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► premise and it will not be explained to [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► you and it goes to the shell that the [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► television series and movies are perhaps [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► the most egregious because they have [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► incredibly complicated machinations of [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► like the the political political [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► intrigue in the end that the world [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► history how many wars have been what [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► countries are there the democracy of the [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► dictatorships who is how does the [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► government were like they don't tell you [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► anything just expected to figure it out [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► and takes like it's it's like you know [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► take your tailor soldier spy ER Syria or [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► any other movies you have to watch nine [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► times to get all the details like that [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► that is a stable that's why this is one [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► or two because it isn't [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► the dense but they did this movie to do [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► say she's got a flesh-and-blood [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► blood-brain and later in the series the [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► television series emphasize the fact [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► like it there's one part of you that is [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► you it is your brain which is this a [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► pretty solid foundation for that being [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► the case and it's a flesh-and-blood [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► thing and it's enhancing cybernetic and [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► so on and so forth but basically if [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► someone squishes that brain part you are [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► dead and you're gone [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► yeah and they actually in the TV show [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► they also did deal with the fact that [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► she had to become fully converted much [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► younger than perhaps that she just then [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► it's recommended so that's part of part [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► of her backstory and why she struggles a [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► little bit and the credit sequence did [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► you watch the credits sequence to the [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► television show Jason I watched both of [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► yes yes i do you remember the part where [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► she she's is having a dream i think [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► where she's holding a doll and her [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► cybernetic hand but she can't control [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► her cybernetic and it destroys the [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► dollars the doll [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► no yeah that that is these are all [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► underpinnings of write their backstories [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► review i forget if it's into season one [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► or season to it and moves on but that [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► did she was converted very young and [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► that she had to learn to control these [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► cybernetic bodies and that it took some [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► getting any of the shows like how do you [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► become the major how does someone become [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► this person well she's very elevated [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► alienated growing up she didn't grow up [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► like a regular person I and has always [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► felt like I had identity issues [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► Who am I am I person am I machine how am [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► i different than everybody else that you [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► know am i worthy of love how do i have [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► some identity outside of the different [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► bodies that I can inhabit you know all [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► the rest of the themes of the movie I [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► don't want to put too much but I mean we [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► can you help us look at two different [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► openings of of the TV series there's [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► like the original opening and then the [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► replacement opening and one of them is [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► like in the animation style and the [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► other one is like CGI yeah that's just [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► something I I personally really enjoy i [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► like remixes of songs that I like and I [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► like the idea that you know opening [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► sequences of anime series are in and a [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► big thing and an anime TV series [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► specifically that a lot of the time you [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► can eat you'll see an opening sequence [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► you know 30 second song and a bunch of [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► animation it's clear they spend more [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► money in that opening sequence than the [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► first three episodes combined based on [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► the animation quality so there was a lot [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► of love and care into those sequences [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► they're an important part of the show [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► having one of those and then having them [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► redo it a cgi is it i is a great [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► contrast because i like the idea of like [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► we'd be this beautiful hand-drawn [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► animation can we do it in CGI what does [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► it look worse does it look better is it [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► possible to capture what was good about [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► the other one and in this example I [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► think the hand-drawn one is way better [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► than the cgi want yeah it shows the [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► limits of CGI the time but it's [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► interesting to see them try I'll it will [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► be perhaps less interesting and more [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► depressing to see them try to do a live [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► action version of this with scarlett [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► johansson but that idea of like take [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► this thing now do it this way now do it [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► that way now do with one hand tied [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► behind your back no to all black and [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► white now doing a hand-drawn animation [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► outdoors claim now do it is interpretive [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► dance like i like the idea of that and [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► this particular series when I was [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► watching it had this conversion where [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► you're like the opening they were used [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► to always have appeared in cg like what [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► is going on someone think this was a [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► good idea but it's still very [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► interesting to me yeah I didn't like the [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► cgi at all [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► I mean it and I like CGI and all but but [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► it different doesn't match the show ya [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► and second I felt like I really [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► understood the way that she's portrayed [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► the way the major is portrayed in the [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► show in animation like I i can quibble i [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► like that i like the purple and stuff i [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► think that's really need I can i I think [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► her outfit is ridiculous they ever since [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► teacher assistants [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► yeah what about this one saying is I [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► mean ma I read superhero comics I I know [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► ridiculous outfits when I see it and but [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► in the in the movie it's not like that [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► it's not to this extreme that in the [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► show but but anyway she is that [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► character I don't know there's something [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► about that character you feel like [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► you're you're seeing a portrayal of a [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► very specific character and the cgi is [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► it feels like it's just a generic even [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► though it's the same clothes and the [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► same everything [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► it's like it just kind of a generic cgi [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► figure of a woman instead of that [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► character like the animations it softens [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► all the interesting edges [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► yeah well yeah they're all soft and just [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► kind of literally it's committed to it [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► doesn't even read as a press the same [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► person it just reads like maybe like a [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► cosplayer or something because they you [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► know i mean it [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► the worst is like the very end sequence [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► which is grimacing shooting a gun and [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► grimace when she shoots somebody that's [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► not that's ridiculous red [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► itachi comes come off a little bit [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► better but anyway I i like the remakes [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► aspect of that I think we can wrap up [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► the movie with just the ending sequence [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► which again we're going to take the same [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► themes and keep throwing them in your [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► face and so you can until they they land [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► home at one point the big tank at the [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► end i believe shoots up a giant tree of [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► life type thing like that you know sort [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► of evolutionary ladder type create [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► forget what's written on it I think [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► humans are the top is that but the thing [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► shoots up yeah it comes just short of [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► just short of shooting up here yeah like [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► you're getting it folks you know thanks [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► not not subtle at all but it happens [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► fast enough and i think the words you're [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► in Latin so it's a little bit better but [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► the city the ending the ending bit there [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► is very kind of like I don't say Kira [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► ask or whatever but I think with again [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► with a different person purpose where [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► she's going in the the one-woman [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► wrecking crew to take out this tank [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► she has a plan to execute your plan she [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► gets on top of the tank is trying to [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► tear the lid off the tank to get to the [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► fleshy bits on the inside and defeat the [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► tank and that lid just doesn't want to [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► come off and she took keep rolling [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► she keeps pulling until basically her [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► arms get torn off and this this type of [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► thing that my loves to do where they [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► will show what looks like a vulnerable [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► human person usually a woman using an [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► attractive woman grievously injured in [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► some way is subverted here by her [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► seriously injuring herself as part of [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► the plan that she's executing in such a [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► way that you realize that this is not so [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► much someone being injured but it's more [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► like driving a car really hard like when [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► the hero of your story that he steals a [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► car and drives that car until it's dead [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► she just did that but with her own body [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► because she's essentially driving that [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► body as the pilot more than it is you [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► know a that is herself or whatever then [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► of course you've got the big black [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► helicopters with their the Angel of [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► Death helicopters with their wings [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► unfurling lots of great Mecca design in [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► this thing and snipers with the [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► synchronized breathing apparatus to [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► shoot her through the head and [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► everything again they're aiming for her [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► head because that's the only way you can [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► kill you you shoot another part doesn't [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► do anything you got backhoe once again [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► putting the jacket over her when she's [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► diving into the project 2501 [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► you just need to cover over the jackets [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► the machine but at that point he's [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► thinking of her as a human and covers [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► are up you get your head blown clean off [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► in that scene but she's fine because [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► they didn't actually squish the brain [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► brain park and then the for the final [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► thing that's really making your own [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► comfort or the end they got her in are [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► replanted in a little girl's body which [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► community looks like a little girl [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► version of the major which is a nice [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► touch and I'm saying that you know what [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► do you want to add to the black market [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► this is all I could get [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► yeah and that just spins out her like [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► why would little girl cyborgs be [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► available on the black market and how do [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► you feel about that and now that she's [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► in a little girl body has but to feel [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► about her and have to revisit all their [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► feelings that they had before how do you [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► feel about the feelings they had before [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► it's almost like when you find out later [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► was look sister but even worse [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► yeah I like I am I I think it's really [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► interesting the the end is is a bit of a [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► head-scratcher where they're like you [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► know moving to a different bodies and [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► the two bodies of their and there's the [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► puppet master and they're moving around [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► all that but i did i did like the idea [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► that i'm somewhere i think the wikipedia [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► page says that that the whole idea is [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► that she's she's supposed to be supposed [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► to look like standardly standard [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► available you know parts but even though [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► she's got special stuff on the inside [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► and I like taking that to the extreme at [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► the end was like you know this is what I [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► could get this is what you get to be you [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► get to be the little girl now sorry [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► yeah well but but she says you know it's [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► not her anyway [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► at this point because i was with the [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► puppet master so it's a new creature [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► that's been created that's you know [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► something new in the world that's the [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► one problem with the movie is that it it [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► wanted to have an arc that ended with [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► the sort of merging everything but the [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► movie is going towards is like where [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► we're going to confront you with all [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► these questions about what it means to [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► be a living thing or something worthy of [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► love or what does that even mean [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► and they're going to keep pushing until [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► by the end of the movie you're like well [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► yet getting back to jason's thing what [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► if she was shooting what if she was [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► never alive does that change how you [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► view her what if she is combined with an [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► AI that you know that she's actually [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► made it with AI is she now less worthy [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► of [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► of being treated as a person than she [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► was before what if something was never [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► human-like that's that's where you're [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► going in the movie ends and you can [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► continue off in that direction but the [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► TV series and most of the things that [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► spin off the universe rewind and said [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► let's go back to the beginning of that [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► thing because they don't they don't try [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► to continue on that good matrix style [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► where you get the end of the movie he [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► jumps off from the phone booth then you [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► say let's go see where that goes like no [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► no we have we have this whole world but [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► let's explore different stories for the [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► net world without immediately jumping to [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► humans are useless [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► I destroy and Destroy All Humans about [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► humility and let the machines take over [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► which with which you know you can see [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► this universe going towards but that's [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► not the story they want to tell well so [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► what do you guys think of the movie so I [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► i was really confused by parts and I [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► felt like parts of it i didn't i say [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► wanted me to be confused about and parts [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► of it I thought it just didn't need to [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► make me confused about and it did [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► what's with all the numbers this is the [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► thing that really drove me crazy a [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► second second second we got section nine [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► and we got project 2501 and we're going [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► to a virtually all of the numbers drove [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► me crazy because I i don't know maybe [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► this is just my relationship with [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► numbers but if it had been like the [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► defense division and the secret division [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► or something like that I would have [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► understood it but it's like instead [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► everything is section 9 section 6 [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► project 2501 it feels super x [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► positioning and of course you know there [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► are there are are just endless streams [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► of dialogue there's a very funny part [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► where there's a lot of dialogue and [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► everybody's head the head of the person [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► who's saying it is cut off in the shot [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► so they don't need to animate them [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► talking pages download dialogue lots and [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► lots of dialogue about the government [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► and this in this section is doing this [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► and this is over here and those are [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► those moments where I thought this is [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► are they trying to make a wash over me [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► to the point where I just don't even [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► care anymore or would this have been [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► better off just being more oblique like [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► I would almost rather had been [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► completely confusing then have it be [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► like here's an enormous download of all [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► these things that are similarly named [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► that you don't really understand and [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► that have relationships to one another [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► and that's like so that is actually a [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► staple of anime and if you think the [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► numbers are problem if you can watch [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► more the television series you do [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► realize that naming of the different [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► factions and when splinter groups and [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► parts like it's just as bad it's even [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► worse when they have names because at [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► least the numbers you know don't need [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► any translation they just throw it at [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► you like an object 2501 like everything [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► I mean something the chatroom someone [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► mentions like mi5 and mi6 like a [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► starting point you get used to the [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► number you're all so confusing [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► yeah the world is confusing Jason the [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► cyberpunk world is more confusing this [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► project black eagle or something i'll be [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► like 'ooh project black eagle what does [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► it mean project 2501 it's like project [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► string of numbers [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► oh and there's another project of sorts [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► of different numbers who tell me more i [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► mean i know that didn't they didn't [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► yeah they do they do throw stuff at you [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► they don't want to explain it and at [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► many times it's easy to think that there [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► is no explanation that it is just mumbo [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► jumbo that it's like the star trek talk [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► where you just throw a bunch of words in [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► there it's just science fiction word [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► salad and you know suffice it to say [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► don't like them crystals let's move on [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► but there usually is an actual story [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► surrounding these things I don't know [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► what makes them want to just throw it [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► like why do we need those details is it [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► like do you want me to have to go to the [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► wikipedia page and look for the help [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► this stuff is but like if you watched [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► nine hundred times eventually you do [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► connect all the dots and it starts to [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► make sense but I don't know what it is [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► in Japanese animation that makes them [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► want to do these incredibly dense and [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► deep backstories to tell what is [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► otherwise a fairly simple story because [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► I like theirs theirs [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► ok so there's an old guy who's bald [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► mostly with gray hair and a little [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► goatee and he's got a team [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► he's got a team of cyborg crime-fighting [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► agent people and they they can fight [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► crime and right wrongs on I totally got [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► that and and what as I got through the [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► movie I'm like oh yeah and this one [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► stood co there is a TV show here this [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► makes this totally makes sense it was [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► just at the beginning again maybe they [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► just want you to feel completely at sea [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► or something but I just felt like when [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► everything is numbered i just i hit [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► through my hands like I have no idea who [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► is who they're talking about when [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► they're talking for a long time about [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► what section 6 section 16 [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► section nine and we need to be part of [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► section 9 again it gives you the feeling [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► like you've dropped down in the middle [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► of something larger that you just are [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► gonna have to figure out I felt like it [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► could have been clearer if they had [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► wanted it to be and I didn't care [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► yeah I think you're exactly right about [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► being dropped in the middle of something [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► that's larger that you don't understand [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► and that's that's actually something [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► that drew me to the movie because and [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► anime in general because i like feeling [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► like I am in a world that is whole and [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► is its own thing that is very separate [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► from what I'm used to [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► I like the fact that anime is so [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► different from most of the entertainment [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► that I'm used to consuming so the fact [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► that that was first of all I felt that [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► that the numbers were were more elegant [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► than all of the names that we get [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► letters little later there's a lot of [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► alphabet soup in the in the TV show and [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► and I like the idea that I that I have [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► to figure this stuff out and I maybe [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► need to watch it a number of times [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► because sometimes I mean I I like easy [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► escapism as much maybe more than the [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► next guy but every once in a while I [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► like to to make my brain work for it a [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► bit and I found I it's hard to remember [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► exactly what I felt the very first time [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► I saw this but I i seem to remember that [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► it was confusing but it was deliciously [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► confusing to me [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► I enjoyed that feeling of you know i [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► felt like i was literally in the middle [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► of it and I was turning left and right [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► and looking up and down and I'm seeing [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► all of these things that i don't quite [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► recognize but they are intriguing to me [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► so much so that i'm willing to put in [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► the work and go back and watch it again [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► and again to really it define these [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► things and and tease it out kinda like [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► twin peaks if you want to compare it to [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► a similar thing where like what is this [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► incomprehensible show that like I don't [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► understand what's going on and I don't [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► know who these people are doesn't make [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► any sense to me and so like did I don't [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► know if they're being intentionally [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► obtuse like twin peaks was like it that [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► was part of the thing but it that is my [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► experience of watching anime is that [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► part of what appeals to me is that I'm [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► going to have a bunch of crap dumped on [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► me and it could be artfully done unless [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► our fleet I think it's way less are [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► fully done in a television series then [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► it is in the movie because the movie the [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► movie takes time out to do as Tony [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► mentioned earlier that you know [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► that the musical montage and everything [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► which you you know whether you like them [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► or you don't it's kind of like a tease [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► musical montage is i love the kind of [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► things right i like i like the anime [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► montages with the with the people ladies [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► yodeling over slow-motion shots of [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► decaying cities with airplanes flying [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► over them like i like that i can [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► understand if you don't but the big [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► exhibition dumps it into that all things [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► like why are you doing this on purpose i [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► think they are doing it on purpose i [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► don't think you can do it by accident [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► they're so good at being so income it's [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► a twin peaks obviously doing it on [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► purpose right and this and that was my [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► point is there are two ways to read this [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► one is they uh they think they're [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► providing texture but by having them all [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► just be numbers instead of something [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► because this is a made-up world ok they [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► could make it up and have labels on [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► things like I said they could say that [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► you know its defense division and and [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► the spy division or whatever and you'll [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► be like oh I get it there that's the [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► defense division and I can Intuit from [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► that what it is or you know or you can [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► just pick numbers and say whatever we [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► don't we don't know what we're doing [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► it's either that or I think would be [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► more likely they wanted to be this web [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► of interconnections that you have to [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► struggle to which I love in novels right [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► i love like what is it embassy town the [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► China Mieville that that is like he just [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► download their other books like this to [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► of neal stephenson's uh-oh an FM is like [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► this where it's like there's just words [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► that you have no idea for up like 500 [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► pages what the words mean and you just [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► have to figure it out and I appreciate [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► that so that that was my struggle with [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► it was like are they really are [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► do they really expect me to be able to [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► keep track of all these numbers or am I [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► supposed to let it wash over me and [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► eventually i'm just gonna figure it out [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► through context and I think that's where [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► i got to its kinda like the difference [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► between learning a language by taking a [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► class and having a teacher explained it [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► to you or just immersing yourself in a [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► culture and moving to someplace like [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► Japan and just figuring it out some of [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► the chairman said that the in Japan the [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► actual ministries are named with numbers [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► like this i always i don't know if [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► that's true or not but I always took it [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► is like having the numbers like section [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► nine maybe the more cyber punky [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► yeah maybe this is retconning section [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► nine now sounds cool to me is it because [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► section 92 section 9 and I know what [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► section is or is it because section it [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► seems like mi5 does my five sound cool [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► because of james bond or was it [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► according to begin with like if you name [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► things with numbers it its it's more of [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► an aesthetic theme it's not so much the [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► use the numbers is the fact that like [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► there are eight thousand moving parts [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► there 700 characters all have different [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► motivations you have to know who [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► which of these political parties who is [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► in power who is not what's motivating [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► this rebel group what's motivating that [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► like there are so many moving pieces [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► most of which get like one word one line [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► or like an animated I glance or like [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► they're mentioned once they've never [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► seen on camera and they're like this [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► huge geopolitical force that everybody [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► in the movie knows about but you have no [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► idea about it because they just end it [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► is realistic in that like if everybody [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► knows about it they're not going to does [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► not going to be the exposition Bob that [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► explains oh there was a world war four [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► and five and here was what happened and [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► then we had these refugees in these [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► people like they're not going to do that [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► for you and it because know people would [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► do that so the idea is that this was a [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► complex future world and we can't [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► explain it so much has changed that we [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► know we're not just gonna do the 11 [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► thing is different it's like it's all [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► different and it's not part of our story [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► but it makes you feel more disconnected [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► like oh this is really the future so [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► much measures changed in the first [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► episode of standalone complex there's [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► something like that where again I think [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► this is just style thing that I have to [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► get used to [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► there's a download at one point that [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► left my head spinning where the guy [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► inches in charge says oh you know the [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► defense ministry and he was meeting with [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► this North American you know whatever it [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► executive from that thing for the talks [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► involving this I'm like okay like it [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► wasn't complacent to say that there's a [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► thing and people are being held hostage [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► by robot indications okay i think in the [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► film it's a little bit harder to because [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► we have we have section 6 section 9 and [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► there they take seem to be adversarial [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► sometimes just an upside down but they [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► also have meetings and I think it's even [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► a little bit harder because like the [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► first scene is we basically have the [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► major who's working for section 9 carry [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► out what seems to be kind of an [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► assassination right and so it's it's [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► it's a little unclear like who is the [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► good guy who is you know you know how [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► good are the good guys and [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► all that also John you're gonna get [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► letters from the James Bond and so watch [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► out for that [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► why am i five mi6 and yeah he's mi6 I i [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► said it's cool because of james bond [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► franchise not him specifically ok i [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► always thought that he just worked for [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► the English agent Department of Special [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► md apartment and it's it's like you know [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► like that Syria or something where [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► everything is in the movie you it they [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► explained in the movie there is at least [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► one line to explain who section 9 is [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► they're the ones who can get their hands [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► dirty to section 6 is the diplomatic [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► corps whatever why the section 6 can't [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► do this and you eventually second 6 [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► review it revealed to be supporting out [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► the and section 9 like not if you watch [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► the television series you see how that [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► goes down between them but this internal [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► warring factions within the government [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► the only thing that's never make clear [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► the entire series is why I section 9 I [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► guess it's just our maki why why are [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► they the one is relatively non-corrupt [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► part of the government every other part [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► of the government is terrible like you [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► should also have especially if they're [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► like where the where the guys that can [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► get her hands dirty carrying out [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► assassinations but where the non-corrupt [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► part right they are but they don't like [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► it feels like it's a cuts a handful of [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► people that's just a good group of kids [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► they're like this five last week that's [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► the key small numbers that's right and [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► and the one the one good leader I mean [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► it's it you know in that respect it's [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► more like a television show but I get [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► the television the format of the [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► television show i think is premise [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► action sequence then a scene where [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► George Lucas style everyone sits there [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► on couches and talks forever about [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► nonsense like it is just unbelievable [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► amount of stuff that you like about you [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► try to follow it and like it's just you [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► feel like it's impossible [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► I've seen this entire series like four [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► times some episodes are still like that [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► I'm just never going to know what [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► they're talking about right and that [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► middle section of these episodes like if [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► you were to format this is the US [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► television show you like maybe cut out [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► the part of the middle where they sit [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► around and talk because you've got some [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► exciting dynamic people here and they [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► always do like set up lots of action [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► lots of talking and then the rest of the [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► story with action because the short show [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► it's like 1 30 minutes or something like [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► that you don't have time for like an [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► hour long drama you really just have to [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► tape a call the story into a talking [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► part in the middle and some episodes do [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► it more gracefully than others and I [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► think that is probably the weakest part [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► of the TV series and the movie i think [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► does a better job of sort of weaving it [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► throughout because they try to have [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► a sex position and less of a complicated [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► plot in general than the reed insane arc [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► that forms the television series and [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► really the movie is more about themes [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► and characters and the world and less [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► about the specifics of the story and so [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► I think it is more artfully done there [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► I mean I i really like this show but I [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► kind of laughed every time they have the [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► the requisite seen in the middle where [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► they have like their conference call [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► except they're all doing it by thinking [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► so that like we don't actually know how [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► to animate anything for like 30 minutes [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► they're just there everyone just seemed [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► like maybe they're in a car maybe [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► there's a room but they're all just [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► thinking their thoughts back and forth [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► to each other just like what is savings [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► ya might ah gasps ah doesn't get to [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► participate had so much driving and [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► thinking using or driving and diving [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► which i think is probably one of the [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► most unsafe things you can do it like [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► texting and driving don't do that you [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► should really give your eyes on the road [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► but then again that they have spare [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► cycles maybe they could do both at once [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► I now see really unsafe there's they're [TS]