The Talk Show

178: ‘Now Banned in China’, With Special Guest Jim Dalrymple


00:00:00   uh happy new year Jim first show of the [TS]

00:00:03   year happy new year everyone here was [TS]

00:00:08   very quiet my my son was here and we [TS]

00:00:12   just did you know father-son things [TS]

00:00:15   picked up the guitar plates amazi [TS]

00:00:17   Metallica you know things every father [TS]

00:00:19   and son does we we went out to dinner [TS]

00:00:25   with friends early so because i had new [TS]

00:00:28   years eve i think New Year's Eve sucks [TS]

00:00:30   it's like the worst right it's like [TS]

00:00:32   you're young and you just think what [TS]

00:00:34   everybody goes out new years eve so I'm [TS]

00:00:35   going out and you go out and I I don't [TS]

00:00:38   remember ever having a good time on New [TS]

00:00:40   Year's Eve it's always crowded the only [TS]

00:00:42   time I ever remember having a good time [TS]

00:00:43   on new year's eve and it's very funny [TS]

00:00:45   because sometimes it's like the security [TS]

00:00:47   question [TS]

00:00:47   unlike your bank or whatever they're [TS]

00:00:49   right where were you on New Year's Eve [TS]

00:00:50   1999 yeah and I remember that one [TS]

00:00:53   because we had friends in town here in [TS]

00:00:55   philly from Florida and we we just [TS]

00:00:59   stayed in army and Amy's place for the [TS]

00:01:01   evening and then before midnight we went [TS]

00:01:03   down to there's a park called penn's [TS]

00:01:06   landing wasn't too not too far of a walk [TS]

00:01:09   and it was in a unusually warm New [TS]

00:01:13   Year's Eve for Philadelphia so it wasn't [TS]

00:01:14   like we were real cold we just took a [TS]

00:01:16   bottle of champagne with us and have [TS]

00:01:17   fireworks we watch fireworks and it was [TS]

00:01:19   very nice but in other words we didn't [TS]

00:01:20   spend any money we didn't have to wait [TS]

00:01:22   in line anywhere we have to wait for a [TS]

00:01:24   cab [TS]

00:01:24   we didn't have to drive anywhere we just [TS]

00:01:26   walked yes if anybody asks me where were [TS]

00:01:30   you on this new years eve i could [TS]

00:01:32   quickly say home [TS]

00:01:33   i I just I you know it's so expensive to [TS]

00:01:37   go out a new years eve it's like three [TS]

00:01:39   times more expensive than like if you go [TS]

00:01:41   out on December 30-day grace right and [TS]

00:01:44   you know it's even worse if you have [TS]

00:01:46   kids because then you know you have to [TS]

00:01:47   pay like 10 thousand dollars for [TS]

00:01:49   babysitter and you know then you have [TS]

00:01:52   the the eggs orbiting Lee price dinner [TS]

00:01:56   and drinks that you have to go for [TS]

00:01:57   images it's the same thing every year [TS]

00:02:00   and I'd rather what I didn't make it up [TS]

00:02:04   to midnight i fell asleep [TS]

00:02:06   yeah i mean i remember a couple years [TS]

00:02:09   ago I mean I went out [TS]

00:02:10   I don't remember if it was recent enough [TS]

00:02:13   that that we could just leave Jonas at [TS]

00:02:15   home or if we had any sister come and [TS]

00:02:17   watch i think we probably had her sister [TS]

00:02:18   come and watch him so we went out to one [TS]

00:02:22   of our favorite restaurants and we went [TS]

00:02:24   late so that we could ostensibly be [TS]

00:02:27   there at midnight you know so it's a [TS]

00:02:29   real late dinner maybe like ten o'clock [TS]

00:02:30   dinner stayed and did the countdown with [TS]

00:02:34   the restaurant full of people and of [TS]

00:02:36   course it was more expensive than usual [TS]

00:02:38   and it wasn't as good because i feel [TS]

00:02:40   like it was too crowded and you know you [TS]

00:02:42   don't like get dinner was just slightly [TS]

00:02:44   all wasn't bad but slightly off and then [TS]

00:02:46   we leave and we're like I don't know [TS]

00:02:47   it's like a mile and a half from our [TS]

00:02:49   house number right here in center city [TS]

00:02:51   philadelphia but it's cold and Amy had [TS]

00:02:54   heels on and it's just not gonna walk [TS]

00:02:56   but we couldn't get a cab just couldn't [TS]

00:02:57   get a cab [TS]

00:02:58   I because it's New Years Eve and it just [TS]

00:03:01   was just past midnight could not get a [TS]

00:03:03   cab so we thought hey let's just go to a [TS]

00:03:08   hotel you know right down the street [TS]

00:03:10   there's a hotel they have a nice bar [TS]

00:03:11   will go there we have one more drink and [TS]

00:03:13   then by the time we're done it'll be [TS]

00:03:14   plenty caps we go in and it's only like [TS]

00:03:16   20 after midnight and hotel bars closed [TS]

00:03:19   it's just completely shut down and it's [TS]

00:03:21   like the content they want everybody out [TS]

00:03:23   right like ordinarily they would never [TS]

00:03:25   be closed at 12 you know 12 midnight [TS]

00:03:28   they'd be open to it too but they're [TS]

00:03:30   closed because they want everybody out [TS]

00:03:31   because everybody's a drunken masters so [TS]

00:03:34   we started walking home and like her [TS]

00:03:36   feet are hurting and eventually a cab [TS]

00:03:38   comes by and we're only like we're like [TS]

00:03:40   four blocks from our house and I'm like [TS]

00:03:41   I don't care i'll still get a cab her [TS]

00:03:43   feed her and and the guy just rolls down [TS]

00:03:45   his window the cab driver and he just [TS]

00:03:47   says where you going [TS]

00:03:48   and I told them are you know where our [TS]

00:03:49   address its he knows it's only four [TS]

00:03:51   blocks from where we are and he goes he [TS]

00:03:54   goes thirty bucks you know you're doing [TS]

00:03:57   and it's gonna be off the meter and I [TS]

00:03:59   was like oh my god I can't believe this [TS]

00:04:01   but it's if it was my feet they hurt i [TS]

00:04:03   would i would say you know [TS]

00:04:05   go fuck yourself but it's eight and I'm [TS]

00:04:07   ir I don't you know I paid thirty [TS]

00:04:09   dollars to four blocks in a cat wow we [TS]

00:04:11   haven't gone out on New Year's Eve sense [TS]

00:04:13   yeah I don't blame you now so we [TS]

00:04:15   wouldn't even out we went out early like [TS]

00:04:17   530 to dinner with some friends in [TS]

00:04:19   chinatown [TS]

00:04:20   and just you know guide knows guide you [TS]

00:04:23   know and it wasn't like a fancy you know [TS]

00:04:25   you would never even know it was New [TS]

00:04:26   Year's Eve well you know I i we as a [TS]

00:04:31   couple of friends of mine i came over [TS]

00:04:34   for a little bit and they they brought [TS]

00:04:36   you know I got a pot of pulled pork and [TS]

00:04:40   and some same buns you know and we had [TS]

00:04:48   that night but that was about it [TS]

00:04:51   still I didn't make it to midnight [TS]

00:04:52   picnic in the mode get a good little bit [TS]

00:04:58   uh-huh i'll bet you're grumpy when you [TS]

00:05:00   have to go to bed haha i'm going to be [TS]

00:05:03   when I have to go to bed and when I [TS]

00:05:05   haven't eaten [TS]

00:05:05   I feel when you're hungry right [TS]

00:05:09   you're not gonna get yeah we ended up [TS]

00:05:13   but I what's a place in san francisco [TS]

00:05:18   the house of me do something after the [TS]

00:05:20   house of prime rib roast private yeah [TS]

00:05:23   whatever you want or did I wasn't mean [TS]

00:05:26   you when you're hungry yeah i remember [TS]

00:05:27   that when you're in a bad method we have [TS]

00:05:30   less they take care of you as a primary [TS]

00:05:33   they let you know that hungry [TS]

00:05:34   no no [TS]

00:05:39   so I don't know that's going out to New [TS]

00:05:40   Year's is not a lot of news to talk [TS]

00:05:41   about we got like your review stuff we [TS]

00:05:43   could talk about I don't know what if [TS]

00:05:47   you wanted to start thing I i saw this [TS]

00:05:48   and that this to me is one of those [TS]

00:05:50   topics where I know it it's like [TS]

00:05:52   opinions are all over the map and i know [TS]

00:05:54   that some people think that I'm off my [TS]

00:05:57   rocker on this which is the question of [TS]

00:05:59   where the super east and compared to its [TS]

00:06:01   competitors like Google system and alexa [TS]

00:06:05   from amazon and I link to a piece of sky [TS]

00:06:11   witch whose name I this guy birch tree [TS]

00:06:16   com where he did a study he did 50 [TS]

00:06:19   commands with Siri and Google assistant [TS]

00:06:22   the exact same commands and Cirie [TS]

00:06:25   actually did better on more of them than [TS]

00:06:27   google assistant which is does not [TS]

00:06:30   surprise me [TS]

00:06:31   it's it's and I think the bottom line is [TS]

00:06:33   that none of these things are actually [TS]

00:06:35   good [TS]

00:06:35   Syria is not good google assistant is [TS]

00:06:38   not good Alexa is not good all of these [TS]

00:06:40   things stink and like 10 years from now [TS]

00:06:42   we're going to look back at the state [TS]

00:06:43   all these things and they're like [TS]

00:06:45   ridiculous they're like yes it's it's [TS]

00:06:47   such an early days and there they all [TS]

00:06:50   fail in such frustrating ways compared [TS]

00:06:52   to like even if you had a bad human a [TS]

00:06:56   personal assistant like a personal [TS]

00:06:59   assistant here like I should fire this [TS]

00:07:00   person you hire somebody asked there but [TS]

00:07:03   they're there they're like it [TS]

00:07:07   no human being is as stupid or as [TS]

00:07:10   frustrating as these things are overall [TS]

00:07:12   in terms of like if you're talking about [TS]

00:07:14   a certain topic and then you're like [TS]

00:07:16   we'll go get me one of those [TS]

00:07:17   they're like what you know you can't you [TS]

00:07:19   just can't talk to them the way you [TS]

00:07:20   really want to and we well it's a clear [TS]

00:07:22   that's what we're working towards but i [TS]

00:07:24   thought that this guy's thing and then I [TS]

00:07:26   course because people are very angry [TS]

00:07:28   about Cirie people this is like an [TS]

00:07:30   emotional to have it [TS]

00:07:31   people don't add that's one thing I [TS]

00:07:34   don't get [TS]

00:07:35   I and I'm not emotional about it and I [TS]

00:07:37   know that there are some people in there [TS]

00:07:39   you know they think that because I I [TS]

00:07:40   tend to like Apple products i right [TS]

00:07:42   about Apple that they think I just that [TS]

00:07:45   I'm somehow like a home team cheerleader [TS]

00:07:48   for Siri I really don't think so i think [TS]

00:07:51   Cirie stinks i just think the other one [TS]

00:07:53   stink too and that in some ways Siri is [TS]

00:07:56   better in ways that are meaningful to me [TS]

00:07:58   but people one of the things people said [TS]

00:08:01   about this bad guys study was that he [TS]

00:08:03   was using on an Android device but he [TS]

00:08:07   was using google a low to do that [TS]

00:08:09   queries and you type it's like a little [TS]

00:08:11   chat bot so it's sort of like typing it [TS]

00:08:13   in [TS]

00:08:13   I message you know and so instead of [TS]

00:08:15   dictating verbally he's he's typing and [TS]

00:08:18   they're saying that the argument is that [TS]

00:08:19   that's not a fair comparison because the [TS]

00:08:21   real google assistant is a voice driven [TS]

00:08:24   thing and it's only available on the [TS]

00:08:25   pixel phones and he didn't have a pixel [TS]

00:08:27   phone so I don't know is it for me it's [TS]

00:08:32   but what you want to use it for what it [TS]

00:08:35   comes down to for me so serious and i [TS]

00:08:39   said this yesterday about you know all [TS]

00:08:41   of the [TS]

00:08:42   of the things that are showing up at CES [TS]

00:08:45   about yeah [TS]

00:08:46   alexa yeah you know that to me Siri is [TS]

00:08:49   the assistant that you carry with you [TS]

00:08:52   it's your mobile assistant but apple [TS]

00:08:56   doesn't seem to be taking those steps [TS]

00:08:58   for the home so if you want and you know [TS]

00:09:03   an assistant in the home that right now [TS]

00:09:04   that seems to be alexa matt burch leurs [TS]

00:09:07   the name of the guy who wrote this story [TS]

00:09:08   i'll put it in the show notes the [TS]

00:09:11   difference between Google assistant in [TS]

00:09:12   Syria and what he did is he made a video [TS]

00:09:14   about it which i think was a very useful [TS]

00:09:16   way of doing it where you can actually [TS]

00:09:17   see the results live [TS]

00:09:19   yeah i I just I mean it's victor what [TS]

00:09:22   what [TS]

00:09:23   amazon is doing right now is very smart [TS]

00:09:26   yeah I mean there's they're getting [TS]

00:09:28   alexa into as many products as they can [TS]

00:09:30   so that they just become the default and [TS]

00:09:34   he's a very smart thing did it [TS]

00:09:35   yeah i wrote about this recently where [TS]

00:09:37   they there was an announcement that the [TS]

00:09:42   wynn las vegas is going to put alexa or [TS]

00:09:45   the echo and two off like 4800 of their [TS]

00:09:49   hotel rooms in vegas property and that [TS]

00:09:53   however much you want to say that this [TS]

00:09:55   you know home device stuff is early days [TS]

00:09:58   you know [TS]

00:09:59   hey 5,000 hotel rooms here five thousand [TS]

00:10:01   armed hotel rooms there and all of a [TS]

00:10:03   sudden you've got like a sustained lead [TS]

00:10:04   because things like that don't get [TS]

00:10:06   replaced that often you know it's like [TS]

00:10:09   how long did it take [TS]

00:10:10   hotel rooms to get rid of the 30-pin [TS]

00:10:12   chargers on the long [TS]

00:10:14   yeah i mean seriously it's is every once [TS]

00:10:18   in a while I don't know the last time I [TS]

00:10:19   saw one of those but I you know it until [TS]

00:10:21   recently I would occasionally would you [TS]

00:10:23   know the alarm clock would have the [TS]

00:10:24   30-pin charger i mean that's like what [TS]

00:10:27   five six years old interview last time [TS]

00:10:29   you could buy an iphone that had one of [TS]

00:10:30   those you know you put the win puts [TS]

00:10:34   5,000 of these alexa things in there and [TS]

00:10:36   hooks up all of the lights and four [TS]

00:10:39   thousand rooms full of lights and shades [TS]

00:10:42   and the window blinds to alexa they're [TS]

00:10:45   not going to replace it with another [TS]

00:10:46   device you know next year [TS]

00:10:48   nope and so it seemed how would you [TS]

00:10:52   summarize the news coming out of CES [TS]

00:10:55   you wrote this you got the story on your [TS]

00:10:56   site Alexa's everywhere output that the [TS]

00:10:58   show notes [TS]

00:10:59   yeah I i I've I just never liked CES to [TS]

00:11:03   be honest with you ever go I did yeah I [TS]

00:11:07   went for a few years and it's just [TS]

00:11:08   craziness because a lot of the stuff [TS]

00:11:16   that you see at CES aren't real products [TS]

00:11:19   right and it's difficult to really [TS]

00:11:23   assess what's happening in terms of [TS]

00:11:27   consumer electronics when you know [TS]

00:11:31   eighty percent of the products are real [TS]

00:11:33   or seventy percent or sixty percent you [TS]

00:11:35   know how they're they're bringing [TS]

00:11:37   proof-of-concept things to CES I to see [TS]

00:11:41   how people react to them so the news out [TS]

00:11:47   of CES to me is just always every year [TS]

00:11:49   is just kind of there [TS]

00:11:51   well why would you summarize the [TS]

00:11:53   election news on that well the election [TS]

00:11:56   news i find very interesting not because [TS]

00:11:58   of alexa but because everybody is [TS]

00:12:01   choosing that platform and hell and [TS]

00:12:07   partially because it's it's it's a story [TS]

00:12:11   down on your site the loop dave mark [TS]

00:12:13   wrote it that they're following a [TS]

00:12:15   netflix that strategy of trying to embed [TS]

00:12:17   alexa everywhere that they can and then [TS]

00:12:19   way that netflix seemingly if you've got [TS]

00:12:24   a box that makes the he'll come out of [TS]

00:12:26   it netflix is going to do is willing to [TS]

00:12:29   put the netflix app on that box [TS]

00:12:32   I mean everybody can you buy a video box [TS]

00:12:35   it doesn't come with netflix i don't [TS]

00:12:37   know ever know if you can I ID holder is [TS]

00:12:40   everywhere I mean it's even on comcast [TS]

00:12:42   now how you know that xfinity thing [TS]

00:12:44   right so yeah thats everywhere [TS]

00:12:47   yeah I died of a relative who had that [TS]

00:12:50   with their comcast thing and I that blew [TS]

00:12:52   me away [TS]

00:12:52   it really did surprise me that comcast [TS]

00:12:55   would would do that because you kind of [TS]

00:12:56   think comcast wants to keep you tied to [TS]

00:12:58   the cable channels [TS]

00:13:00   yeah yeah so there's like other other [TS]

00:13:05   companies among the things I've seen is [TS]

00:13:06   that there [TS]

00:13:07   are other companies coming out with echo [TS]

00:13:10   like Doc's some of them who was the one [TS]

00:13:12   that is working with mike harmon kardon [TS]

00:13:14   to make really you know like a really [TS]

00:13:16   good speaker so yeah if you're if if [TS]

00:13:19   your gripe about the Amazon echo is hey [TS]

00:13:24   I I want one of these things i would get [TS]

00:13:26   the Amazon version but i really want [TS]

00:13:28   better sound quality than this stuff [TS]

00:13:30   they've instead of doing it themselves [TS]

00:13:31   they've they've just license the alexa [TS]

00:13:35   technology to these other companies but [TS]

00:13:38   other things too that like a ford motor [TS]

00:13:42   company announced that they're going to [TS]

00:13:43   they're going to put alexa into their [TS]

00:13:45   cars [TS]

00:13:45   I'm add I don't know it just seems like [TS]

00:13:49   they're running away with this [TS]

00:13:51   do you have a voice assistant at home [TS]

00:13:55   you have google or like so I have the [TS]

00:13:57   election thing in my kitchen and we [TS]

00:13:59   never use it but on the other hand no we [TS]

00:14:01   really don't [TS]

00:14:02   honest to god I i got it so I could you [TS]

00:14:05   know try it and it just felt like a [TS]

00:14:07   reasonable business expense and maybe we [TS]

00:14:09   would like it but we one thing as we [TS]

00:14:11   don't have any like smart light bulbs or [TS]

00:14:15   anything like that when I many smart [TS]

00:14:16   everything in the house because we're [TS]

00:14:18   moving somewhat soon [TS]

00:14:19   supposedly it's a long story but I'm [TS]

00:14:22   going to sense to buy stuff like that [TS]

00:14:24   for the place we live now and everybody [TS]

00:14:26   I know who does like Alexa like Ben [TS]

00:14:28   Thompson really likes it has stuff in [TS]

00:14:32   the house where you can say things you [TS]

00:14:33   know like turn out the kitchen lights or [TS]

00:14:36   whatever and we don't have anything like [TS]

00:14:39   that and for the stuff i do do it [TS]

00:14:42   doesn't work as well as Syria for me [TS]

00:14:43   like I I can't stand the way usually [TS]

00:14:46   I've said this before on the show is it [TS]

00:14:48   and I'm gonna be a broken record but a [TS]

00:14:50   lot of times all I care about [TS]

00:14:51   especially when i'm in our kitchen our [TS]

00:14:53   kitchen has windows so I can see what [TS]

00:14:54   the weather is like I could see if it's [TS]

00:14:56   raining or sunny or whatever all i want [TS]

00:14:57   to know is the temperature outside and [TS]

00:15:00   alexa if you say what's the temperature [TS]

00:15:01   gets she understands it but all she does [TS]

00:15:04   is give you a full weather report for [TS]

00:15:06   the day but I don't want it takes like [TS]

00:15:09   30 seconds and if you ask Siri for the [TS]

00:15:11   temperature she just tells you the [TS]

00:15:12   temperature but that will mean that [TS]

00:15:17   leads me to something that I want to [TS]

00:15:18   complain about Cirie [TS]

00:15:20   all rights so with Siri when you ask the [TS]

00:15:24   temperature if it i don't know what the [TS]

00:15:26   threshold is but somewhere around the [TS]

00:15:28   freezing [TS]

00:15:29   I maybe it's like under 40 degrees [TS]

00:15:32   Fahrenheit or so she dancers with [TS]

00:15:35   burrower and then tells you the [TS]

00:15:38   temperature every crack every every [TS]

00:15:42   goddamn time and this to me is one of [TS]

00:15:45   the worst things about series like the [TS]

00:15:46   cuteness of trying to be funny like when [TS]

00:15:49   you don't know if you're not asking her [TS]

00:15:51   to be funny because it's not funny [TS]

00:15:53   that's not funny at all like they need [TS]

00:15:55   to me haha well but no human being would [TS]

00:16:00   do that like and I had a real human [TS]

00:16:02   assistant nobody they they never win and [TS]

00:16:05   they knew the temperature they would [TS]

00:16:06   never say verse 33 degrees [TS]

00:16:10   yeah and if they did they would do it [TS]

00:16:12   once and maybe only in the context of [TS]

00:16:15   like a surprisingly cold day like if it [TS]

00:16:18   was the middle of sep tember and the [TS]

00:16:19   temperature dropped to an unusual degree [TS]

00:16:21   you could say something like that but on [TS]

00:16:24   the east coast in philadelphia in [TS]

00:16:26   January it's completely normal for it to [TS]

00:16:28   be 33 degrees there's nothing unusual [TS]

00:16:30   about it at all and so it's not funny [TS]

00:16:33   it's just annoying and it every time you [TS]

00:16:36   write and and it's it [TS]

00:16:38   I you know what I mean like I don't want [TS]

00:16:42   my computers to work like that I [TS]

00:16:43   realized that the conversational nature [TS]

00:16:45   of Syria is a little different than like [TS]

00:16:47   using the mac but it's like I like if I [TS]

00:16:51   i I'm make a new numbers spreadsheet and [TS]

00:16:54   and I you know title it like 2016 daring [TS]

00:17:00   fireball company expenses you know [TS]

00:17:03   because i'm getting ready to go to get [TS]

00:17:04   my taxes done [TS]

00:17:05   I don't want the computer when I hit [TS]

00:17:07   return on saving the file to say you [TS]

00:17:09   know tax time again huh yeah right and [TS]

00:17:12   like I don't want my computer just [TS]

00:17:14   making weird obvious duh [TS]

00:17:16   comments like that but yes sirree does [TS]

00:17:19   just tell me the goddamn temperature are [TS]

00:17:22   they trying to make Siri more I don't [TS]

00:17:26   know friendly I mean yeah but you have [TS]

00:17:28   you not friendly though to meet ya [TS]

00:17:29   that's obviously the intent [TS]

00:17:31   to try to make it friendly but it's not [TS]

00:17:33   because it's so funny because it's every [TS]

00:17:35   day every single day right at that to me [TS]

00:17:38   has the opposite effect where it just [TS]

00:17:39   makes it seem it it's more artificial [TS]

00:17:42   then if if she just said 33 degrees [TS]

00:17:47   you know it going down to whatever right [TS]

00:17:50   I find it incredibly annoying but then [TS]

00:17:54   on the other side you have a alexa [TS]

00:17:57   giving you full weather forecast remilia [TS]

00:18:00   one is the temperature right [TS]

00:18:01   the thing with this alexa everywhere is [TS]

00:18:04   I I don't quite know how it's going to [TS]

00:18:06   tie into being personal it in terms of [TS]

00:18:09   like Amazon just doesn't know that much [TS]

00:18:14   about me and you know you can do things [TS]

00:18:15   like say add to my shopping list and [TS]

00:18:19   it's just like your amazon shopping list [TS]

00:18:21   but it's like a and I think there's a [TS]

00:18:24   way you can hook up your google calendar [TS]

00:18:25   but i don't use google calendar so you [TS]

00:18:28   know like Siri has an advantage on [TS]

00:18:30   things like access to my actual calendar [TS]

00:18:32   that election is never going to have [TS]

00:18:33   right and I don't think like Alexa can't [TS]

00:18:37   send the text messages or I messages i [TS]

00:18:40   don't know certainly not my messages and [TS]

00:18:42   I don't think it can send text messages [TS]

00:18:44   so I don't know it's it seems more about [TS]

00:18:49   information and controlling like this [TS]

00:18:51   just controlling your environment with [TS]

00:18:53   the lights and playing music than about [TS]

00:18:54   being a real personal assistant [TS]

00:18:56   well and i'm the same way as you i don't [TS]

00:19:00   have the light bulbs and I don't but I [TS]

00:19:03   when I think of a personal assistant in [TS]

00:19:05   the home I think of having something [TS]

00:19:09   that will be more interactive with me [TS]

00:19:15   and my surroundings then what anything [TS]

00:19:17   is right now maybe that's why I don't [TS]

00:19:20   really I i haven't gone and purchase one [TS]

00:19:22   of these because it doesn't really do [TS]

00:19:24   anything besides answer questions you [TS]

00:19:29   know [TS]

00:19:29   I mean I don't know yet I'm Merlin loves [TS]

00:19:36   his MH Ben Thompson does to ya [TS]

00:19:40   so I don't know I mean maybe I'm just [TS]

00:19:43   not seeing it and i don't know i'm not [TS]

00:19:45   but right now I mean they if i sat down [TS]

00:19:49   now and even if there was a sale on [TS]

00:19:51   alexa this afternoon i don't think i'd [TS]

00:19:54   buy one because i I just I don't think [TS]

00:19:57   it's gonna do a whole lot for me I mean [TS]

00:19:59   look at the google commercial about the [TS]

00:20:01   you know the little boy that's saying [TS]

00:20:03   trying to make the dog disappear right [TS]

00:20:05   and he's trying to figure out what the [TS]

00:20:07   magic word is I mean that's cute but it [TS]

00:20:10   really didn't do anything so I don't [TS]

00:20:16   know why I keep coming back to this [TS]

00:20:18   solve a problem thing how much is like [TS]

00:20:22   solving a problem right now none of the [TS]

00:20:26   new products [TS]

00:20:28   it may but I i just don't see what it's [TS]

00:20:34   doing for me then so great that I just [TS]

00:20:38   can't do it myself I see how eventually [TS]

00:20:42   it well I think eventually exactly [TS]

00:20:44   amazing i really do i think i think if [TS]

00:20:48   you could just tell your assistant hey [TS]

00:20:50   I'm I'm fine to San Francisco you know [TS]

00:20:55   on these dates [TS]

00:20:57   what are my choices for flights from [TS]

00:21:00   american airlines and then you know have [TS]

00:21:03   Siri come back in a couple of seconds [TS]

00:21:05   and just have like an ordered list of [TS]

00:21:07   you know like direct flights from Philly [TS]

00:21:09   to San Francisco that would be fantastic [TS]

00:21:12   isn't that what that new one did that [TS]

00:21:15   Samsung bought yeah yeah sort of i mean [TS]

00:21:19   but again I think that's a lot like CES [TS]

00:21:21   were viv viv was great as the one that's [TS]

00:21:24   created by the people who originally [TS]

00:21:26   created serie so they have a track [TS]

00:21:28   record it's not like they're you know a [TS]

00:21:30   like they don't have a track record but [TS]

00:21:33   i don't think i think it was sort of a [TS]

00:21:36   proof-of-concept you know like when they [TS]

00:21:38   demoed it i don't think it was real [TS]

00:21:40   you know it really couldn't do the [TS]

00:21:41   things that they were showing [TS]

00:21:42   but that's that's where they work where [TS]

00:21:48   they're going with it right [TS]

00:21:50   you know it seemed and and this is I [TS]

00:21:52   mean what when everybody saw that well [TS]

00:21:55   you know everybody freaked out because [TS]

00:21:57   series couldn't do those things but we [TS]

00:22:01   don't know that Siri can't do those [TS]

00:22:02   things you just know that the series [TS]

00:22:04   that we have can't right so where were [TS]

00:22:06   very quick to did the jump on apple and [TS]

00:22:12   say that they're not doing things but [TS]

00:22:13   Siri could outdo viv right now and in [TS]

00:22:16   you know the prototype models bottom [TS]

00:22:19   line for me is not that again not that [TS]

00:22:21   Syria is behind these other companies [TS]

00:22:24   but that they all still stink over all [TS]

00:22:27   and they're better and but they're very [TS]

00:22:28   different at different things like one [TS]

00:22:30   of the things that most people really [TS]

00:22:31   praised Alexa for is that once you know [TS]

00:22:34   exactly what to say to it it'll get it [TS]

00:22:37   every time and it's and the response [TS]

00:22:39   time turnaround works response time is [TS]

00:22:41   faster for a lot of people with alexa in [TS]

00:22:44   terms of how long do you have to wait [TS]

00:22:47   the thing that matters the reason it it [TS]

00:22:49   all matter and a perfect example of why [TS]

00:22:51   it matters is air pods right because [TS]

00:22:53   Syria is a big part of their pots and I [TS]

00:22:56   know like my wife loves her she really [TS]

00:22:59   really loves him and she switched from [TS]

00:23:01   Cirie to having double tap play pause [TS]

00:23:03   because she finds the need to pause [TS]

00:23:06   without taking it out a lot and so like [TS]

00:23:09   she even tweeted that that switching it [TS]

00:23:11   to play pause was a game-changer like it [TS]

00:23:13   really made hurt it that preference [TS]

00:23:16   setting made her go from mostly liking [TS]

00:23:19   their pods to loving their pods I i set [TS]

00:23:22   mine like that you know a day after i [TS]

00:23:25   had them in when I figured out how to [TS]

00:23:26   change that setting [TS]

00:23:27   I've I've kept it I've kept it on Cirie [TS]

00:23:30   almost since I I hadn't played us for a [TS]

00:23:33   little bit but I like taking it out so [TS]

00:23:35   at the it and usually it it works for me [TS]

00:23:37   you know that works like function works [TS]

00:23:40   but in practical terms if it's fine for [TS]

00:23:43   me to just take it out to play pause so [TS]

00:23:46   I keep it on series so i use the serial [TS]

00:23:48   lot [TS]

00:23:48   uh-huh but it is the biggest annoyance [TS]

00:23:52   for me is the pause between when I [TS]

00:23:54   double tap it and when [TS]

00:23:55   I get the prompt and I'm bro I what's [TS]

00:24:00   the word impatient that a lot of times [TS]

00:24:04   I'll start saying what i want to say [TS]

00:24:06   before it's actually listening the [TS]

00:24:09   accuracy is probably it's probably the [TS]

00:24:11   most accurate serie product i know and i [TS]

00:24:14   don't know if that's because the [TS]

00:24:15   microphone is right there you know it so [TS]

00:24:18   close to my mouth I don't know if it's [TS]

00:24:20   because there's two of them i don't know [TS]

00:24:22   if you know like if they're doing funny [TS]

00:24:24   stuff like in you know getting it out of [TS]

00:24:27   the bones in my ear or whatever but it's [TS]

00:24:29   very very accurate she is it is when i [TS]

00:24:31   dictate into air pods it's the accuracy [TS]

00:24:34   is the highest of any product but that [TS]

00:24:37   pit that that pause between the second [TS]

00:24:40   tap and when it's actually listening is [TS]

00:24:42   infuriating [TS]

00:24:44   yeah i do the same thing as you it's [TS]

00:24:46   it's like when it's on a Bluetooth in [TS]

00:24:49   the car and we tried that is on [TS]

00:24:52   bluetooth and the current you press it [TS]

00:24:53   and there's this long pause and I've [TS]

00:24:56   already started talking just any happen [TS]

00:24:58   and the pauses even longer than normal [TS]

00:25:00   and I get that you know it's because [TS]

00:25:03   it's over bluetooth and its kind of [TS]

00:25:06   connecting as a phone call or however it [TS]

00:25:08   doesn't but still it's not optimal [TS]

00:25:12   I think that it's get the number one way [TS]

00:25:14   that Syrian needs to improve his [TS]

00:25:16   response time I beyond any just don't [TS]

00:25:19   even get into the the what Siri can do [TS]

00:25:22   and the the accuracy and whatever but [TS]

00:25:24   getting the response time is close to [TS]

00:25:26   zero as possible i think it's essential [TS]

00:25:27   and I think in in all of computing [TS]

00:25:29   people recognize that that's it doesn't [TS]

00:25:32   matter what field you're in eventually [TS]

00:25:33   anything where there's a delay it it if [TS]

00:25:38   you don't get rid of that delay the [TS]

00:25:39   product falls by the wayside you know [TS]

00:25:41   yeah like it seems to be i remember back [TS]

00:25:43   when we have floppy disks when you hit [TS]

00:25:45   command ask you have to wait wait a bit [TS]

00:25:47   for the hot just like a word processing [TS]

00:25:49   file to save right you need here the [TS]

00:25:51   lobby going to it you know it's my right [TS]

00:25:55   you have to wait but you really don't [TS]

00:25:57   have to wait anymore [TS]

00:25:58   well now it does it automatically so [TS]

00:26:00   with empathy [TS]

00:26:01   that's the whole then we know that that [TS]

00:26:04   this is going to be a lot different [TS]

00:26:06   right [TS]

00:26:07   and in the coming years it's just right [TS]

00:26:09   now I have difficulty finding the the [TS]

00:26:16   usefulness for all of this angers here's [TS]

00:26:19   another example Apple maps it's very [TS]

00:26:22   cool [TS]

00:26:23   it really is but if you're going [TS]

00:26:26   somewhere where you don't know I'm Apple [TS]

00:26:31   maps will will just say in half a mile [TS]

00:26:36   turn left [TS]

00:26:38   whereas google maps is more interactive [TS]

00:26:46   more friendly more detailed google maps [TS]

00:26:50   will say in half a mile [TS]

00:26:52   use the left two lanes in turn left [TS]

00:26:55   ok you know now I know what my options [TS]

00:26:59   are or if you're coming to one of those [TS]

00:27:01   intersections on the the freeway you [TS]

00:27:03   know google maps will say you know in in [TS]

00:27:07   one mile use the right two lanes to take [TS]

00:27:10   the exit here then keep left [TS]

00:27:12   you know either then use the left lane [TS]

00:27:15   to to keep left eye that's useful and [TS]

00:27:18   that is very useful [TS]

00:27:19   yeah I'm to just say I keep right and [TS]

00:27:24   then a lot of times there's a fork in [TS]

00:27:25   the road when you keep right minute says [TS]

00:27:27   now keep left right no it doesn't it [TS]

00:27:29   doesn't say everything that you need [TS]

00:27:33   I think to be uh to allow you to be as [TS]

00:27:37   successful in in your journey so I love [TS]

00:27:41   Apple maps i think it's great uh it's [TS]

00:27:45   very cool interface it you know for the [TS]

00:27:49   most part of it gives great directions [TS]

00:27:51   the directions are basically the same [TS]

00:27:53   they're just more detailed in areas that [TS]

00:27:56   you don't know to allow you and I i [TS]

00:27:58   actually used it [TS]

00:28:00   Christmas day I went to visit a friend [TS]

00:28:02   and have only had only been to their [TS]

00:28:05   house one time before and I had been [TS]

00:28:10   playing around but course like we all do [TS]

00:28:13   play around with the apps all the time [TS]

00:28:15   and I was playing around with with [TS]

00:28:18   google maps and I used it and a clued in [TS]

00:28:21   to me how much that matter that little [TS]

00:28:25   detail mattered in areas where I didn't [TS]

00:28:29   know where I was going so that that's a [TS]

00:28:32   situation where ya this actually did [TS]

00:28:36   help solve the problem for me you know i [TS]

00:28:38   wasn't turning into the middle lane and [TS]

00:28:42   then waiting for apple maps to say which [TS]

00:28:44   way i have to turn right but are some [TS]

00:28:46   you know it is humane as saying when it [TS]

00:28:48   when if it tells you you can be in [TS]

00:28:50   either of the two left lanes and you're [TS]

00:28:52   already in like the one closer to the [TS]

00:28:54   center then you know you're already good [TS]

00:28:56   and you don't have to worry about [TS]

00:28:57   merging one more line over just because [TS]

00:28:59   you know if you make a left that's [TS]

00:29:00   actually very useful information and [TS]

00:29:02   it's a sort of thing that once you're [TS]

00:29:03   familiar with with a with a route to a [TS]

00:29:06   certain sir you just do that your brain [TS]

00:29:08   does that automatically you're like oh [TS]

00:29:09   yeah i know i'm good at that there's two [TS]

00:29:11   lanes that go right here because it's a [TS]

00:29:13   busy exit [TS]

00:29:14   yeah and actually after I make that left [TS]

00:29:16   turn I have to make a media right so you [TS]

00:29:19   know I better stay in the you know the [TS]

00:29:22   second-most left lane because that [TS]

00:29:24   that's where i will all want to term and [TS]

00:29:26   see those are just the the types of [TS]

00:29:28   things that I when I want to talk about [TS]

00:29:31   the usefulness that to me is very useful [TS]

00:29:34   and I really like that [TS]

00:29:36   alright let me take a break care and [TS]

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00:31:28   use MailChimp I'm all the time for the [TS]

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00:31:33   don't honestly I don't even know their [TS]

00:31:35   competitors are I don't it's like [TS]

00:31:36   they're so far above the best at ya [TS]

00:31:39   doing personalized email that it's I [TS]

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00:31:49   calm all right what about this there was [TS]

00:31:53   a really good article by Chuck von [TS]

00:31:54   Rossbach he called animals 2016 year in [TS]

00:31:57   review and I thought it was really [TS]

00:31:58   thought I didn't agree with everything [TS]

00:31:59   that he wrote but you know that's that's [TS]

00:32:01   the way the world works on but I thought [TS]

00:32:05   he made a couple of good points in [TS]

00:32:06   particular on the airport base stations [TS]

00:32:10   in the mac pro lineups in particular and [TS]

00:32:15   the thing that both of these products [TS]

00:32:16   have in common [TS]

00:32:17   I mean obviously the mac pro is very [TS]

00:32:19   expensive product it's the you know core [TS]

00:32:21   to a lot of people's relationship with [TS]

00:32:23   apple if you're a professional that has [TS]

00:32:25   a need for a mac pro that's this is [TS]

00:32:27   probably it's probably the most [TS]

00:32:28   important thing that Apple makes for you [TS]

00:32:29   very expensive too [TS]

00:32:31   I guess it's apples most expensive [TS]

00:32:33   product right i mean i can't imagine [TS]

00:32:34   that there's anything else that it's [TS]

00:32:36   more expensive than a true [TS]

00:32:37   tripped out Mac Pro forward base [TS]

00:32:40   stations are not there sort of a other I [TS]

00:32:43   don't even know what category they put [TS]

00:32:44   them in on the apple website but it's [TS]

00:32:46   sort of like a little peripheral and [TS]

00:32:48   they're not very expensive and it's just [TS]

00:32:49   sort of just waited to keep you in the [TS]

00:32:52   apple ecosystem and make sure that you [TS]

00:32:56   know you have an apple-like experience [TS]

00:32:57   setting up Wi-Fi in your house where you [TS]

00:32:59   you know get a nice lap on your phone [TS]

00:33:02   and it's very easy to understand how to [TS]

00:33:04   set up from a consumers point of view [TS]

00:33:06   and because if you're using an apple [TS]

00:33:09   airport you know that things like back [TS]

00:33:12   to your Mac or whatever should work you [TS]

00:33:16   know features you know that the the way [TS]

00:33:19   that the features that Apple has for the [TS]

00:33:20   products that they operate over the [TS]

00:33:22   internet you know presumably they're [TS]

00:33:25   going to work better with or at least as [TS]

00:33:27   there is expected to within AirPort base [TS]

00:33:29   station but the thing with both of these [TS]

00:33:31   products is they're terribly out of date [TS]

00:33:33   and they're still but yet apple is still [TS]

00:33:35   selling them at the same prices is what [TS]

00:33:37   when they came out and I don't know and [TS]

00:33:40   there was a story government had a story [TS]

00:33:42   a couple months ago that that Apple is [TS]

00:33:44   getting out of the airport game and that [TS]

00:33:46   they've they've reassigned the engineers [TS]

00:33:48   who were previously working on airport [TS]

00:33:49   base stations to other teams so I don't [TS]

00:33:52   knows what's going on there [TS]

00:33:54   yeah I'd you know what's interesting [TS]

00:33:56   about 2016 is that the products that had [TS]

00:34:02   the least of Madame updates are the ones [TS]

00:34:05   that are get is getting the most amount [TS]

00:34:06   of news you know the mac didn't have a [TS]

00:34:11   lot of updates especially the mac pro [TS]

00:34:14   and imac but that's what everybody's [TS]

00:34:18   talking about right [TS]

00:34:21   I i don't think that there are banding [TS]

00:34:24   the mac well I don't we can get to the [TS]

00:34:26   mac in a bit and i don't think so either [TS]

00:34:28   but with the airport it's a similar [TS]

00:34:31   story I think what has to be because [TS]

00:34:33   it's either there you know it's a simple [TS]

00:34:37   product i do you think Apple should [TS]

00:34:39   still be making the airport base [TS]

00:34:41   stations i would love for them to still [TS]

00:34:44   make AirPort base stations because i [TS]

00:34:46   think that they're they're good [TS]

00:34:48   you know they aight i guess the argument [TS]

00:34:52   against it is that there are plenty of [TS]

00:34:54   other companies that make just fine [TS]

00:34:57   products so it there's no no way for [TS]

00:35:01   Apple to really stand out like apples [TS]

00:35:04   apples should focus on the products that [TS]

00:35:07   they can build that our best-in-class [TS]

00:35:09   right like the iphone in my opinion is [TS]

00:35:12   far and away the best phone that you can [TS]

00:35:15   buy and it's not even it you know to me [TS]

00:35:17   it's not even close and it [TS]

00:35:18   the difference is even if you disagree [TS]

00:35:19   that it's the best you can certainly see [TS]

00:35:21   how it's different because it's the only [TS]

00:35:22   phone that runs iOS and I was a huge [TS]

00:35:25   thing the only reason I think that Apple [TS]

00:35:28   is not best-in-class and the products [TS]

00:35:30   that builds is because those are the [TS]

00:35:31   products that it's not focusing on [TS]

00:35:33   I mean there was a time when when the [TS]

00:35:35   airport time machine [TS]

00:35:37   you know time capsule they were they [TS]

00:35:41   were best [TS]

00:35:42   yeah they were definitely I thought [TS]

00:35:44   especially when you take into [TS]

00:35:45   consideration not just how they function [TS]

00:35:47   once set up but the setup process itself [TS]

00:35:51   you know like because I remember the one [TS]

00:35:53   time at one point I did have a i forget [TS]

00:35:57   if it was a linksys I think it was a [TS]

00:35:59   linksys and it was it was ridiculous how [TS]

00:36:03   you configure the thing it was like you [TS]

00:36:04   had to go to like a special it turn it [TS]

00:36:07   on and you'd point your web browser on [TS]

00:36:09   your computer to a certain IP address [TS]

00:36:10   that wasn't like outside it was right [TS]

00:36:12   there on the the linksys and type a [TS]

00:36:15   password and it was like nobody ever [TS]

00:36:18   change the password you know you could i [TS]

00:36:21   did of course but most people didn't and [TS]

00:36:23   it was like it's stupid it was like the [TS]

00:36:24   password was like admin or something [TS]

00:36:26   like that [TS]

00:36:26   yeah and then you'd you'd you'd [TS]

00:36:28   configure it in your web browser and it [TS]

00:36:30   was like you really had to be like it a [TS]

00:36:33   low-level network engineer to understand [TS]

00:36:36   what anything met it was really really [TS]

00:36:37   difficult and whereas right from the [TS]

00:36:42   get-go airport you'd configure it with a [TS]

00:36:44   really nice app on your Mac that was you [TS]

00:36:46   know just like everything else like it [TS]

00:36:48   was it was easy you know max tile [TS]

00:36:50   interface to to configure the stuff i [TS]

00:36:52   don't know that that's they're not alone [TS]

00:36:54   in that though and they have I will just [TS]

00:36:56   say this just to have just said as a [TS]

00:36:59   2 full disclosure 0 as sponsored the [TS]

00:37:03   talk show a couple of times they're not [TS]

00:37:04   a sponsor this week I don't think [TS]

00:37:06   they're coming up soon either but they [TS]

00:37:08   have sponsored the site and they gave me [TS]

00:37:11   as part of the sponsorship a three-pack [TS]

00:37:13   of euros so the euros i have set up here [TS]

00:37:15   are you know your complimentary as part [TS]

00:37:17   of the sponsorship package it's better I [TS]

00:37:21   i have a couple of friends who I know [TS]

00:37:22   also have zero setup I haven't heard [TS]

00:37:24   from one of them who didn't didn't get a [TS]

00:37:28   better network in our house after [TS]

00:37:32   switching from like airport or or some [TS]

00:37:34   of them didn't weren't even using a [TS]

00:37:36   report before but whatever they did that [TS]

00:37:37   0 gives them a better you know the house [TS]

00:37:39   has better faster internet now you know [TS]

00:37:41   take a speed test with your old and [TS]

00:37:45   internet take it out put the eros and [TS]

00:37:47   take another speed test and you get [TS]

00:37:49   better results and they have a nice add [TS]

00:37:52   you know I don't know that Apple could [TS]

00:37:53   do better than hero i really don't i [TS]

00:37:55   mean i think they could do as good but I [TS]

00:37:57   don't know that they can do better and I [TS]

00:37:59   know there's a couple of other companies [TS]

00:38:00   that are doing the same thing with these [TS]

00:38:02   mesh networks we have a couple of [TS]

00:38:04   devices met you know around the house [TS]

00:38:06   I don't know but I do know this whether [TS]

00:38:09   they should if they're going to sell [TS]

00:38:11   them they should have updated hardware [TS]

00:38:13   that's competitive with its current [TS]

00:38:15   state of the art and if they're not they [TS]

00:38:16   should get get the hell out of the the [TS]

00:38:18   business and you know put put zeros or [TS]

00:38:21   some other brand in the apple store and [TS]

00:38:22   tell people to buy those instead as it [TS]

00:38:24   stands right now you know if you go into [TS]

00:38:27   the apple store and you're like hey I [TS]

00:38:28   you know just moved to an apartment i [TS]

00:38:30   want to get a new while we set up a new [TS]

00:38:32   Wi-Fi network if you go in the apple [TS]

00:38:34   store and do it you're going to get us [TS]

00:38:35   right now today as we record you're [TS]

00:38:37   going to get a substandard product like [TS]

00:38:39   that's antithetical to the apple brand [TS]

00:38:41   but I really do believe that I you know [TS]

00:38:46   I i really do stand by this I think it's [TS]

00:38:49   true that the Apple brand a big part of [TS]

00:38:51   it for non-expert users is that you can [TS]

00:38:55   go to the apple store and buy if they [TS]

00:38:58   sell it what you're buying from them [TS]

00:39:00   will be a one of the best you know a [TS]

00:39:02   great product doesn't matter what it is [TS]

00:39:04   if you're going into by a phone you're [TS]

00:39:06   going to get an iphone you're gonna get [TS]

00:39:07   a laptop you're going to get a macbook [TS]

00:39:10   these are great products and for stuff [TS]

00:39:12   that they the other type of stuff they [TS]

00:39:14   sell from third parties they're good [TS]

00:39:15   stuff like if you get an iphone case [TS]

00:39:17   from the apple store is going to be a [TS]

00:39:18   good case it's not going to be a piece [TS]

00:39:20   of jump but if you get a base station [TS]

00:39:22   today you're going to get one it's lower [TS]

00:39:24   than if you bought euros so I think they [TS]

00:39:27   should either they should either get out [TS]

00:39:28   of the business or update the heart i [TS]

00:39:31   might have to try that it euros i just [TS]

00:39:34   don't get do you get it I don't get why [TS]

00:39:35   they're I don't get why there's no yeah [TS]

00:39:38   and you know [TS]

00:39:40   no I think with the mac pro and we can [TS]

00:39:44   segue here into the mat pro I think with [TS]

00:39:46   the mac pro my guess is that something [TS]

00:39:50   went terribly wrong with the did that [TS]

00:39:52   radical new design of the trashcan mac [TS]

00:39:55   pro whether it's hard to make whether [TS]

00:39:57   this factory it in the United States [TS]

00:40:00   whereas at austin isn't working out you [TS]

00:40:02   know and that they you know if they get [TS]

00:40:05   it some kind of thing where they [TS]

00:40:07   anticipated that it would be easy to get [TS]

00:40:10   new updated chips and GPUs and put them [TS]

00:40:13   in the same design and it's not if it's [TS]

00:40:15   proving too expensive to make and you [TS]

00:40:19   know they need to redesign and if they [TS]

00:40:20   had a redesign a new product that was in [TS]

00:40:22   the works that failed somehow I I think [TS]

00:40:25   there's some kind of complicated story [TS]

00:40:27   like that where they intended to have [TS]

00:40:29   updated hardware and something happened [TS]

00:40:31   that's not behind the scenes that kept [TS]

00:40:34   them from releasing it you know like [TS]

00:40:35   they were expecting x y&z from Intel in [TS]

00:40:39   2016 and Intel did fail to deliver and [TS]

00:40:43   it left holding the bag because there [TS]

00:40:44   they didn't have a plan B I don't know [TS]

00:40:46   something like that but with the airport [TS]

00:40:49   base stations it doesn't make any sense [TS]

00:40:50   to me why they couldn't have an updated [TS]

00:40:53   but product if they wanted to [TS]

00:40:56   well and and what's strange is that when [TS]

00:41:00   we when we the underwater borrowers of [TS]

00:41:02   like three weeks ago or a month ago they [TS]

00:41:04   released the first update software [TS]

00:41:05   update for it in God knows how long [TS]

00:41:09   for what for the airport base station oh [TS]

00:41:12   yeah yeah you know just I don't know I i [TS]

00:41:16   agree with you i do I see [TS]

00:41:21   added you say that there's other [TS]

00:41:26   products out there that are faster [TS]

00:41:28   there are other products out there that [TS]

00:41:29   are just as easy to use and i haven't [TS]

00:41:34   tried any of those i still have to [TS]

00:41:37   airport base stations one at a time [TS]

00:41:42   capsule and one regular em and that's [TS]

00:41:46   what i use you know so I haven't had the [TS]

00:41:49   need to try any of the others so for me [TS]

00:41:53   everything works fine if i could get [TS]

00:41:56   more speed then that would be great [TS]

00:42:00   I would love that and if Apple is is not [TS]

00:42:03   going to to keep up with them [TS]

00:42:05   I mean if app the thing that we love the [TS]

00:42:09   most about apple products that i think [TS]

00:42:11   is the integration or one of the things [TS]

00:42:13   you know everything just kind of works [TS]

00:42:16   together you know you the automatic [TS]

00:42:18   backups 44 time machine and you know you [TS]

00:42:21   get one of these airports and everything [TS]

00:42:25   just it just works everything talks to [TS]

00:42:28   each other [TS]

00:42:29   it's great and i love that i love not [TS]

00:42:31   having to think about all the things [TS]

00:42:34   that you know Apple does for us so now [TS]

00:42:40   it doesn't always just work of which is [TS]

00:42:42   well another topic of conversation but [TS]

00:42:44   sometimes it does and when it does it's [TS]

00:42:46   easy to forget just how cool it is i got [TS]

00:42:48   one of the ones that will work for me [TS]

00:42:50   now and I hadn't actually tried it for a [TS]

00:42:53   while because my icloud account was I [TS]

00:42:56   don't know I couldn't have I couldn't [TS]

00:42:57   turn two-factor authentication on add to [TS]

00:42:59   that they had to this it's very [TS]

00:43:02   confusing there's like an older thing [TS]

00:43:03   that they had that wasn't called to [TS]

00:43:05   factor it was like to form [TS]

00:43:07   oh yes yes yes identification and it's [TS]

00:43:10   like it did send things to my iphone you [TS]

00:43:13   know I had that turned on but adds like [TS]

00:43:15   when you have that turned on you have to [TS]

00:43:16   turn it off before you can switch to the [TS]

00:43:18   real to factor and then when I did that [TS]

00:43:20   I my icloud account couldn't have to it [TS]

00:43:23   just didn't give me the option to turn [TS]

00:43:24   on two-factor but without two-factor [TS]

00:43:27   authentication on your iCloud you can't [TS]

00:43:29   use this is what I'm going to you can't [TS]

00:43:30   use the new unlock your mac [TS]

00:43:33   your Apple watch feature yes so anyway I [TS]

00:43:36   got that straightened out somehow [TS]

00:43:38   ah and i turned to factor on my icloud [TS]

00:43:42   account and I've you know gotta watch [TS]

00:43:46   your running watching us 3.1 and the [TS]

00:43:48   unlock your mac with the watch thing is [TS]

00:43:51   amazing it's absolutely yes amazing love [TS]

00:43:54   it was it [TS]

00:43:57   i I can't believe and it works really [TS]

00:44:00   well and I know that it's one of those [TS]

00:44:01   things i think it was Mac OS that the [TS]

00:44:05   10-point 12.2 update the same update [TS]

00:44:08   where they already took out the [TS]

00:44:10   remaining battery battery think yeah the [TS]

00:44:14   same the same update one of the other [TS]

00:44:16   features that was a bullet point you [TS]

00:44:18   know like hey here's what we've got in [TS]

00:44:20   this minor update to Mac you know to Mac [TS]

00:44:22   os10 i guess i just called Mac OS now [TS]

00:44:25   Sierra was that they made the unlock [TS]

00:44:29   with your watch a lot faster now I I i [TS]

00:44:34   didn't use it before that though so I [TS]

00:44:36   don't know how but the speed was but the [TS]

00:44:38   speed now is amazing it it tells you as [TS]

00:44:41   you wake up your Mac it's like unlocking [TS]

00:44:42   with Apple watch right and in way less [TS]

00:44:46   time than it would take me to enter my [TS]

00:44:47   password [TS]

00:44:48   I'm in and part of the the thing that [TS]

00:44:52   they that they fixed with that is even [TS]

00:44:55   the language to set it up [TS]

00:44:57   yes he because they they didn't really [TS]

00:44:59   explain to you what was going on and if [TS]

00:45:03   something went wrong then it just kind [TS]

00:45:07   of went wrong [TS]

00:45:08   yeah hole and I'm and i was i was very [TS]

00:45:12   fortunate that I had while I set up a [TS]

00:45:17   couple that went perfectly fine and then [TS]

00:45:21   I set up one that just would not work [TS]

00:45:24   and I couldn't figure out why wouldn't [TS]

00:45:27   work so now the languages is better [TS]

00:45:30   there there being a bit more interactive [TS]

00:45:33   and what they're doing so all of that [TS]

00:45:35   helps you know I i really like the the [TS]

00:45:40   unlock with Apple watch because I I work [TS]

00:45:44   a lot on [TS]

00:45:45   on my laptop and my mac right now i'm [TS]

00:45:49   using a macbook pro and i work on that a [TS]

00:45:52   lot so whenever I walk up to is it just [TS]

00:45:55   unlocks and I don't know about you but [TS]

00:45:58   I'll get up and go grab a coffee or you [TS]

00:46:02   know get on the phone or you know just [TS]

00:46:04   taking a walk and and then when I came [TS]

00:46:07   back it's locked and it's not a big deal [TS]

00:46:11   honestly to type in your password [TS]

00:46:13   it's just more efficient not to know if [TS]

00:46:16   your Apple watch is connected and you [TS]

00:46:19   know again that integration and the [TS]

00:46:22   things that that Apple saves you know [TS]

00:46:26   the efficiency to me is a big deal [TS]

00:46:30   well it's let's circle back to the mac [TS]

00:46:34   pro what people look at this and and I [TS]

00:46:39   and I think we're maybe so I I [TS]

00:46:43   understand I've I said it was almost [TS]

00:46:44   like a form of paranoia and I think it's [TS]

00:46:46   because i think people recognize that if [TS]

00:46:50   you if you prefer a desktop style [TS]

00:46:54   interface meaning you know I'm keyboard [TS]

00:46:58   and mouse in windows that are just [TS]

00:47:00   stacked on the screen and you know [TS]

00:47:02   there's you've got you can choose Mac [TS]

00:47:04   you can choose windows and then on the [TS]

00:47:07   open source side there's a bunch of you [TS]

00:47:09   know linux variants a link to a guy this [TS]

00:47:12   week who tried like 10 of them you see [TS]

00:47:13   that where he tried like 10 different [TS]

00:47:15   because he's like trying to prepare for [TS]

00:47:17   what happens if mac OS goes away or at [TS]

00:47:21   least for his own needs as a like a ruby [TS]

00:47:23   developer and I think what people who [TS]

00:47:27   really love and get the mac understand [TS]

00:47:31   is that there's nothing the other ones [TS]

00:47:33   are nothing like the mac like I i would [TS]

00:47:35   cry i don't i honest to god I think I [TS]

00:47:37   just stop working if i had to use [TS]

00:47:39   windows [TS]

00:47:40   yeah i don't i don't know I'd become [TS]

00:47:42   like it [TS]

00:47:44   I don't know lumberjack or something I'm [TS]

00:47:47   not cut out for physically but I don't [TS]

00:47:49   follow [TS]

00:47:50   I want to see that I'd have to advise [TS]

00:47:52   the now I don't know I don't know I [TS]

00:47:55   become a podcaster and just recorded on [TS]

00:47:57   tapes because I wouldn't mind but there [TS]

00:48:02   is no mode the mac OS is amazing it is [TS]

00:48:07   it you know it it it's so good in so [TS]

00:48:11   many ways for a power user and it [TS]

00:48:13   doesn't mean you know and I realized and [TS]

00:48:15   I think the fear that people see is you [TS]

00:48:17   know that people see the that iOS cells [TS]

00:48:20   way more devices especially phones but [TS]

00:48:22   iPads you know however however much I [TS]

00:48:26   pads have declined in sales from their [TS]

00:48:28   peak they still out sell the mac ah and [TS]

00:48:31   there are a lot of people for a lot you [TS]

00:48:33   know for a lot of people the ipad can be [TS]

00:48:35   a great main computer and people see [TS]

00:48:38   that and it gives them the fear that [TS]

00:48:43   Apple is going to you know say why why [TS]

00:48:45   waste time on the mac much like why you [TS]

00:48:47   know why waste time updating AirPort [TS]

00:48:49   base stations when you know iOS is where [TS]

00:48:51   it's at and we'll just make everybody [TS]

00:48:53   moved to iOS yeah i don't i don't think [TS]

00:48:58   that's reasonable i don't think that's [TS]

00:48:59   the case but I think I'm loosely [TS]

00:49:01   articulating the fear that's out there [TS]

00:49:04   clearly i mean there's no do you eat you [TS]

00:49:06   can't deny that there are people who are [TS]

00:49:07   worried about this right of course yes [TS]

00:49:09   absolutely i mean it is one of the main [TS]

00:49:12   topics of conversation of of mac power [TS]

00:49:15   users right now yes is you know and and [TS]

00:49:18   there's you know let's just put it out [TS]

00:49:20   there there's absolute the proof there's [TS]

00:49:22   proof that something is wrong and so far [TS]

00:49:24   as the mac pro is of I got 1,100 days [TS]

00:49:28   old and hasn't been updated [TS]

00:49:29   yeah i mean that is a fact that's funny [TS]

00:49:32   inarguable yeah you can argue the facts [TS]

00:49:35   that that are out there but [TS]

00:49:39   is there were very quick to believe and [TS]

00:49:46   in some cases we know that Apple has [TS]

00:49:49   prototypes of of different products [TS]

00:49:54   I you know there they are actively [TS]

00:49:57   working on new products and they have [TS]

00:50:01   those prototypes but for some reason [TS]

00:50:04   we've refused to believe that they're [TS]

00:50:06   working on new max right and is that our [TS]

00:50:12   problem or is it you know apples problem [TS]

00:50:15   I think is partly apples problem because [TS]

00:50:16   they have an updated the name thing i [TS]

00:50:18   think that i think one of the items up [TS]

00:50:20   one of the problems is a misconception [TS]

00:50:21   among people who I think should even [TS]

00:50:24   know better that they see Apple as [TS]

00:50:26   almost omnipotent that they if they will [TS]

00:50:29   you know that that that what I think is [TS]

00:50:32   the case is that something has gone [TS]

00:50:33   horribly wrong out this is not their [TS]

00:50:35   plan Apple never plan to to go three [TS]

00:50:38   years without an update to this and that [TS]

00:50:40   something behind the scenes or maybe [TS]

00:50:42   multiple things like it's like a domino [TS]

00:50:46   effect of one thing leading to another [TS]

00:50:47   has left them and and that they are it [TS]

00:50:51   inside Apple it terribly embarrassed [TS]

00:50:54   that you know and there are people who [TS]

00:50:55   up the chain who are angry you know that [TS]

00:50:58   it but that because it's apple and [TS]

00:51:01   people an apple keep their mouths shut [TS]

00:51:03   the story doesn't leak and so from the [TS]

00:51:06   outside it just looks you know it's like [TS]

00:51:10   at a a disastrous development process [TS]

00:51:16   for either an updated mac pro similar to [TS]

00:51:20   the one that you know that that they [TS]

00:51:21   unveiled three years ago or an all new [TS]

00:51:24   mac pro that is a totally new design [TS]

00:51:27   because the reason that this one went [TS]

00:51:29   without an update was there were various [TS]

00:51:31   things that were wrong with it that from [TS]

00:51:33   Apple's perspective one way or the other [TS]

00:51:35   that those development projects went so [TS]

00:51:38   wrong that they're delayed by years is [TS]

00:51:41   that possible I think there's a lot of [TS]

00:51:43   people out there who think that that [TS]

00:51:44   Apple has so many resources and is so [TS]

00:51:47   wealthy and [TS]

00:51:48   and and in good at this stuff that [TS]

00:51:51   couldn't be the case and therefore apple [TS]

00:51:53   has willfully and purposefully put the [TS]

00:51:56   mac pro in the state that it's in i [TS]

00:51:58   think a lot of people who think that and [TS]

00:52:00   I think they're wrong I think Apple [TS]

00:52:01   could get its I think they push the [TS]

00:52:04   boundaries so hard that they fail all [TS]

00:52:06   the time and we just don't know it [TS]

00:52:08   well yeah i agree with that [TS]

00:52:09   wholeheartedly but if something like the [TS]

00:52:12   if what you're describing is true then [TS]

00:52:15   it would have to be something outside of [TS]

00:52:17   apples control but we've seen I don't [TS]

00:52:21   know though [TS]

00:52:22   but just think I don't even think it [TS]

00:52:23   could be like just think back and I know [TS]

00:52:25   it seems like ancient history but think [TS]

00:52:26   back to the mac cube in 2002 love the [TS]

00:52:30   cube I don't execute i wish that i [TS]

00:52:32   wanted 1i coveted one desperately [TS]

00:52:34   because it seemed like a perfect [TS]

00:52:35   computer for me but it was outside my [TS]

00:52:37   budget [TS]

00:52:38   I loved it yeah but with those like the [TS]

00:52:40   fine cracks that were in it you know [TS]

00:52:42   that was out you know that was within [TS]

00:52:44   their control [TS]

00:52:45   it's it's things like that like remember [TS]

00:52:48   a to me that the best example that that [TS]

00:52:51   things can go terribly wrong for Apple [TS]

00:52:52   proof is the white iphone for the area [TS]

00:52:58   right camera and in the first iphone for [TS]

00:53:03   this was the last iphone that was [TS]

00:53:05   released at the June timeframe the 4s i [TS]

00:53:08   think was the one that moved to [TS]

00:53:11   September so they announced it like WWDC [TS]

00:53:14   and it's a radical new design it's got a [TS]

00:53:17   glass back it really was a just a great [TS]

00:53:23   improvement right it's the first one [TS]

00:53:24   that went retina it the 3gs was sort of [TS]

00:53:29   a sort of like the cheapest look and I [TS]

00:53:30   found that they ever made you know the [TS]

00:53:32   3g 3gs with the plastic back so it's [TS]

00:53:35   like a premium upgrade in in materials [TS]

00:53:38   it's a at just great in so many ways and [TS]

00:53:42   they say it's available in black and [TS]

00:53:43   white and the black one comes out at [TS]

00:53:45   like the end of june or first week in [TS]

00:53:46   July and then they say well there's a [TS]

00:53:48   couple of weeks on the white one and [TS]

00:53:50   it's like a couple of weeks and then it [TS]

00:53:52   ends up at the thing doesn't ship until [TS]

00:53:53   like may have the next year right [TS]

00:53:55   yeah yeah I mean it was so close it was [TS]

00:53:57   close to when people were anticipating [TS]

00:53:59   the next iphone would come out even [TS]

00:54:00   though it didn't come [TS]

00:54:01   in june but that meant people you know [TS]

00:54:04   it it was almost a full year late [TS]

00:54:07   alcoholic Dana and I you know and [TS]

00:54:09   they've they've mumbled something about [TS]

00:54:11   manufacturing process you know right [TS]

00:54:14   they never really because they don't our [TS]

00:54:15   Apple they don't want to explain what [TS]

00:54:17   went wrong [TS]

00:54:17   right but it's not the camera right I I [TS]

00:54:20   don't remember why i think it was [TS]

00:54:22   something with because it was the same [TS]

00:54:23   cameras black right what are wasn't at [TS]

00:54:25   the White interfere with the can right [TS]

00:54:27   right yeah I seem to remember that that [TS]

00:54:30   was when I when you took a picture it [TS]

00:54:34   would the White would interfere with how [TS]

00:54:37   the picture turned out not in it will [TS]

00:54:39   end and it was you know as far as i [TS]

00:54:42   understand it was like if everything [TS]

00:54:44   went perfectly in the manufacturing of [TS]

00:54:46   the white back thing it was fine it's [TS]

00:54:50   just that when they started trying to [TS]

00:54:51   pump millions of them out you know at [TS]

00:54:53   the full production rate some of them of [TS]

00:54:55   a too many of them like had this floor [TS]

00:54:57   right like too much like got in and it [TS]

00:54:59   ruined the thing is I remember [TS]

00:55:02   ah it was bizarre it was like when they [TS]

00:55:06   antennagate you therefore the antenna [TS]

00:55:07   gate press I like I couldn't make it the [TS]

00:55:11   rest of the structure notice couldn't [TS]

00:55:13   make literally the same day I mean I [TS]

00:55:14   remember whatever day it was they called [TS]

00:55:16   me and they were like it's tomorrow [TS]

00:55:18   morning so I it was like yet I I think [TS]

00:55:21   it's the one time I've ever done this I [TS]

00:55:22   I like got the phone call like two [TS]

00:55:25   o'clock eastern time here and found a [TS]

00:55:29   four o'clock flight to test fo and so [TS]

00:55:33   like I I was like I booked it and it [TS]

00:55:37   wasn't ungodly expensive but you know [TS]

00:55:39   booking a flight that leaves in two [TS]

00:55:41   hours is kind of expensive yet and I [TS]

00:55:43   told Amy and I gotta go there apples [TS]

00:55:45   have anything about this antenna thing [TS]

00:55:47   tomorrow I got a flight and I was like [TS]

00:55:50   like in a cab on the way to the airport [TS]

00:55:52   about 20 minutes after after I'd gotten [TS]

00:55:56   off the phone with apple and you know [TS]

00:55:58   got like it was like the last I mean I [TS]

00:56:00   think I had a couple of other choices [TS]

00:56:02   but it was the only non stop that was [TS]

00:56:03   that was remaining for the day but [TS]

00:56:05   anyway I remember going there for that [TS]

00:56:08   meeting and I was in the group of people [TS]

00:56:13   that got the tour of the antenna fits [TS]

00:56:14   abilities and I was better than any of [TS]

00:56:16   us and while we were doing that we're [TS]

00:56:18   walking between a you know town hall and [TS]

00:56:21   where they were going to show us these [TS]

00:56:22   these antennae testing rooms you know [TS]

00:56:24   where they're in the middle of the [TS]

00:56:25   campus network at the events now they [TS]

00:56:27   let us you know they have us go through [TS]

00:56:29   the middle of of infinite loops campus [TS]

00:56:31   but back then that was very rare they [TS]

00:56:33   let you in like yeah yeah they had like [TS]

00:56:37   one door that you could go in and you [TS]

00:56:39   were right there in front of town hall [TS]

00:56:41   and that was it [TS]

00:56:42   you know like you weren't going anywhere [TS]

00:56:44   like now they let us know that they have [TS]

00:56:45   come in the main door and we get the [TS]

00:56:47   little in a walk through the the campus [TS]

00:56:50   but back in this the KT cotton days you [TS]

00:56:52   didn't get me anything but we did to get [TS]

00:56:54   to this thing and the thing that I [TS]

00:56:56   remember was this is just it was that it [TS]

00:56:58   was like august i think there were apple [TS]

00:57:01   employees walking around with white [TS]

00:57:02   iphones it's a very long story to say [TS]

00:57:05   that this that there but anyway the [TS]

00:57:08   white iphone 4 is proof that Apple [TS]

00:57:10   something can go disastrously wrong [TS]

00:57:12   between prototype and saying okay yes [TS]

00:57:17   this this is good to go we're going to [TS]

00:57:19   make this in mass production and then [TS]

00:57:21   making it in mass production something [TS]

00:57:24   can go wrong and I think something like [TS]

00:57:25   that has gone wrong with the mac pro I [TS]

00:57:27   firm is I i have no reason to believe it [TS]

00:57:29   other than that it makes the most sense [TS]

00:57:31   to me no no little birdies have told me [TS]

00:57:33   anything like this but I definitely [TS]

00:57:35   think it's possible and i think the [TS]

00:57:36   pessimism out there is that there's too [TS]

00:57:38   many people who who think that that [TS]

00:57:40   couldn't happen apple because Apple is [TS]

00:57:42   too you know too rich too good too smart [TS]

00:57:47   well I i do you ever see a time i will [TS]

00:57:55   not ever in the next few years that [TS]

00:57:57   apple will come out and say we're done [TS]

00:58:00   with the mac or we're done with the pro [TS]

00:58:02   levels [TS]

00:58:03   no I don't in fact i think the pro [TS]

00:58:06   levels are the ones that have the [TS]

00:58:07   biggest future i think that the the I [TS]

00:58:10   think the thing that makes the mac [TS]

00:58:12   essential is the pro level people often [TS]

00:58:18   bring up [TS]

00:58:20   and i think it's a it's a good point now [TS]

00:58:22   but it's just one of many pro use cases [TS]

00:58:24   the one thing I've seen this argument a [TS]

00:58:26   lot that no Apple the the mac will be [TS]

00:58:28   around forever because you need a mac to [TS]

00:58:31   make iphone apps right and what could [TS]

00:58:36   Apple do if they if they abandoned the [TS]

00:58:38   mac how would you how would you make [TS]

00:58:39   iphone apps y-you they could in theory [TS]

00:58:41   the port xcode to windows and the story [TS]

00:58:44   would be okay if you want to write [TS]

00:58:46   iphone apps you have to use windows [TS]

00:58:48   I mean technically that could happen but [TS]

00:58:51   there's zero percent chance that apple [TS]

00:58:52   would do this 000 oh ok so let me ask [TS]

00:58:56   you this if if i say to you right now [TS]

00:59:02   John I wanted to write and post this the [TS]

00:59:06   story [TS]

00:59:08   oh and hang up and go would you go to [TS]

00:59:13   your Mac your ipad well i would go to [TS]

00:59:15   the back i do almost all of my work on [TS]

00:59:17   the mac but I don't dispute the fact [TS]

00:59:19   that there are people like federal [TS]

00:59:20   vanity oh and Ben Brooks who are the [TS]

00:59:23   more productive for them you know it's [TS]

00:59:25   it is you know for different people [TS]

00:59:28   it's is iOS could be like I see the [TS]

00:59:31   appeal of it I don't deny it you know [TS]

00:59:32   like I feel like I feel like that's [TS]

00:59:35   another mistake a lot of mac proponents [TS]

00:59:38   people who love the mac and want you [TS]

00:59:40   know really do it [TS]

00:59:41   hey there's some people I see it on [TS]

00:59:43   Twitter all the time when they say you [TS]

00:59:44   know you can't do real work on an iPad [TS]

00:59:47   and that you know that's wrong and that [TS]

00:59:49   the people who do are just sort of a [TS]

00:59:51   dilla tense you know that they're yeah [TS]

00:59:54   you know they're trying to it's like [TS]

00:59:55   being a hipster you know like [TS]

00:59:55   being a hipster you know like [TS]

01:00:00   you know what federico and Ben have done [TS]

01:00:02   some amazing things workflow wise [TS]

01:00:04   work-wise everything on their iPads I [TS]

01:00:08   use my iPad all the time actually use [TS]

01:00:11   multiple iPads all the time i love the [TS]

01:00:14   ipad but if I'm going to sit down and [TS]

01:00:18   and do some work [TS]

01:00:19   it's going to be on my Mac yeah just fit [TS]

01:00:22   either either my imac or my my macbook [TS]

01:00:26   pro that's what it's going to be for me [TS]

01:00:29   and you bet that's what I grew up with [TS]

01:00:32   you know what I what I did my business [TS]

01:00:35   with the the ipad the iphone all of [TS]

01:00:38   those things you know they the big word [TS]

01:00:41   is the computer in your pocket that's [TS]

01:00:43   absolutely true it is absolutely true [TS]

01:00:46   and I'd never force myself to use an [TS]

01:00:52   iPad or an iPhone to do you know like as [TS]

01:00:55   soon as the new product comes up people [TS]

01:00:56   say oh I'm going to use this for a month [TS]

01:00:58   instead of my mac i don't do stuff like [TS]

01:01:00   that [TS]

01:01:01   I i use it how it fits into my workflow [TS]

01:01:05   and it does it fits very good very well [TS]

01:01:07   into my workflow so I have things that I [TS]

01:01:11   can do with it but the mac for me is [TS]

01:01:14   still I mean I when I record and and [TS]

01:01:17   write music you know that's on the the [TS]

01:01:20   27-inch imac that's a powerful machine [TS]

01:01:22   and you know when the mac pro the [TS]

01:01:26   macbook pro came out I had I had a logic [TS]

01:01:31   project logic is a you know that's a [TS]

01:01:33   professional level a audio workstation I [TS]

01:01:39   had 48 tracks running simultaneously [TS]

01:01:42   audio MIDI recording and i was editing I [TS]

01:01:47   mean this is all live and the macbook [TS]

01:01:50   pro had no issue at all with that it [TS]

01:01:53   just won't break through so they're all [TS]

01:01:54   powerful computers these days are we at [TS]

01:01:57   the stage where we actually don't need a [TS]

01:02:00   mac pro either the other kids are the [TS]

01:02:03   other computer powerful enough for [TS]

01:02:05   everything that we need to do i do think [TS]

01:02:07   that that's that's a legitimate question [TS]

01:02:10   I wish that apple would keep making my [TS]

01:02:13   pros and you know putting the fastest [TS]

01:02:16   intel processors they can possibly get [TS]

01:02:18   figuring out a very clever engineered [TS]

01:02:23   way to either reduce the need for a fan [TS]

01:02:27   or to make the fan as utterly silent as [TS]

01:02:29   possible because it's just one of those [TS]

01:02:30   things that Apple cares about that I [TS]

01:02:34   feel like if you know you had to use [TS]

01:02:36   some other company's computers it's like [TS]

01:02:38   they make more noise it's like you know [TS]

01:02:40   having a nice quiet computer is is [TS]

01:02:42   important to me and I think it's [TS]

01:02:45   important to a lot of pros and I think [TS]

01:02:46   that's what it's just you know it's why [TS]

01:02:49   people are Mac users people are Mac [TS]

01:02:50   users because they care about the [TS]

01:02:51   details and and like a computer that [TS]

01:02:53   makes noise makes makes them angry [TS]

01:02:55   whereas people who don't really care [TS]

01:02:56   about the details are like oh yeah but [TS]

01:02:58   makes a noise like a hairdryer who cares [TS]

01:03:00   i don't care i put headphones on you [TS]

01:03:02   know and it's like no its you just spend [TS]

01:03:04   a lot of money on this computer should [TS]

01:03:05   be silent [TS]

01:03:06   I'm so i hope they do but given the [TS]

01:03:09   evidence that they haven't updated it in [TS]

01:03:11   three years [TS]

01:03:13   I you know it's a legitimate fear that [TS]

01:03:15   their the messages know the max not dead [TS]

01:03:17   we love the Mac the Mac has a bright [TS]

01:03:18   future but the max future is imax and [TS]

01:03:21   macbooks what do you make of I what Tim [TS]

01:03:26   cooked in after whoever it was Bloomberg [TS]

01:03:30   i think they wrote the story about you [TS]

01:03:32   know that the mac is basically gone and [TS]

01:03:36   Tim came out in a Q&A and company might [TS]

01:03:39   hurt ya internally and knowing that it [TS]

01:03:42   was going to leak right of course [TS]

01:03:44   yeah they know they know all well I [TS]

01:03:46   guess what did he said we would do [TS]

01:03:48   anything to be they had great max in the [TS]

01:03:51   the pipeline right [TS]

01:03:54   I you know how he didn't specify but i [TS]

01:03:58   think he said great desktops in the [TS]

01:04:00   pipeline [TS]

01:04:01   I i think he said that which is you know [TS]

01:04:04   it could just mean imax it could I mean [TS]

01:04:09   people are still pining for Matt new mac [TS]

01:04:13   minis I think that's over I kinda do too [TS]

01:04:17   which is a shame but it's it's nowhere [TS]

01:04:19   near its it's clearly the least [TS]

01:04:21   essential product that Apple make [TS]

01:04:22   and I know that that's painful for the [TS]

01:04:24   people because that's the one thing [TS]

01:04:25   about it is that yes i think most people [TS]

01:04:27   who buy a mac mini are just typical mac [TS]

01:04:30   users who are on a budget and or you [TS]

01:04:34   know maybe they already have a display [TS]

01:04:35   that they don't want to replace and so [TS]

01:04:38   that you know why but why spend all the [TS]

01:04:39   money on an imac with its you know [TS]

01:04:41   gorgeous and in my opinion the best it [TS]

01:04:43   still didn't see over a year since been [TS]

01:04:45   updated but i think it's the best [TS]

01:04:46   display on the market period hands down [TS]

01:04:50   it's a unbelievable display mine i have [TS]

01:04:54   the one from the year before that [TS]

01:04:55   doesn't have the high color gamut and I [TS]

01:04:57   still think it's it's an amazing amazing [TS]

01:04:59   display i love it [TS]

01:05:00   I'm looking at it right now I had to [TS]

01:05:04   adapt you know but I realized that there [TS]

01:05:06   are also and I'm sure that they're [TS]

01:05:08   listening to the show I'm shirt i hear [TS]

01:05:10   from them all the time i get email from [TS]

01:05:11   that there are power users who use the [TS]

01:05:13   mac mini in various ways you know either [TS]

01:05:15   you maybe it is our main computer but [TS]

01:05:17   they you know they have very spendable [TS]

01:05:19   reasons why they want a mac mini and [TS]

01:05:21   then there's also the enthusiasts who [TS]

01:05:23   use mac minis as little you know like to [TS]

01:05:26   make their own home entertainment system [TS]

01:05:28   you know instead of getting an apple TV [TS]

01:05:30   they use the mac mini and they can run [TS]

01:05:32   all sorts of stuff and you know yet play [TS]

01:05:35   movies that have fallen off the Boston [TS]

01:05:36   and you know back of the truck and yeah [TS]

01:05:40   and over them [TS]

01:05:42   I it's a shame because i think you know [TS]

01:05:44   making a hackintosh to you know type [TS]

01:05:47   thing to do that is never going to be as [TS]

01:05:48   nice especially because the mac mini [TS]

01:05:50   just want like this small silent [TS]

01:05:52   computer but I kind of feel like Apple [TS]

01:05:54   just it there's no there's no reason for [TS]

01:05:57   Apple to really care too much about that [TS]

01:05:59   I'd love to see it updated like just [TS]

01:06:01   that even just like a small speed bump [TS]

01:06:02   but I don't know [TS]

01:06:05   here's what Tim said some folks in the [TS]

01:06:07   media raise the questionable whether [TS]

01:06:09   we're committed to desktops if there's [TS]

01:06:11   any dote about that with our team's let [TS]

01:06:13   me be very clear we have great desktops [TS]

01:06:16   in our roadmap nobody should worry about [TS]

01:06:18   that right [TS]

01:06:20   I hear something about that now I've [TS]

01:06:22   seen people that it skepticism is a good [TS]

01:06:25   thing right [TS]

01:06:26   it i encourage it I'd and I think [TS]

01:06:28   everybody should be skeptical about [TS]

01:06:32   anything that somebody who works at a [TS]

01:06:35   company can say including this [TS]

01:06:36   yeah right and of course Tim Cook it's [TS]

01:06:38   in his interest to say good things about [TS]

01:06:40   Apple so of course you know don't don't [TS]

01:06:43   just assume that it's true but I don't [TS]

01:06:46   think one of the things about what he [TS]

01:06:47   said is it again it doesn't about the [TS]

01:06:49   mac pro so it could mean that the future [TS]

01:06:51   of the desktop mac is imax you know and [TS]

01:06:54   I could see them going that route and [TS]

01:06:56   saying hey and at the high end we've got [TS]

01:06:58   this imac you know that called I mac pro [TS]

01:07:01   you know maybe it's all black instead of [TS]

01:07:03   silver and the imac Pro comes with you [TS]

01:07:06   know faster set of of Intel chips then [TS]

01:07:09   you can get previously and a pro [TS]

01:07:11   professional GPU that that's possible [TS]

01:07:16   and how you know did in the current form [TS]

01:07:18   factor if there could be cooled [TS]

01:07:20   sufficiently I don't know but that's up [TS]

01:07:21   to you know Apple comes up with clever [TS]

01:07:23   ways to cool things so I don't know [TS]

01:07:24   right i could see that being the story [TS]

01:07:26   for Pro users and I know that would be [TS]

01:07:28   frustrating for people who don't want a [TS]

01:07:31   built-in display they just want you know [TS]

01:07:33   standalone displays etc etc but I could [TS]

01:07:35   see that being the story but there's no [TS]

01:07:36   way the thing about Tim Cook statement [TS]

01:07:38   is that there's a his credibility to his [TS]

01:07:41   own employees matters and if it's false [TS]

01:07:44   write it you know like I've see I saw [TS]

01:07:47   people on Twitter when I came and [TS]

01:07:48   reactive cooks bullshit of course you'd [TS]

01:07:50   say that if there are no desktops coming [TS]

01:07:53   it it's not like people who worked at [TS]

01:07:55   Apple are going to forget that Tim Cook [TS]

01:07:58   said you have no you know literally said [TS]

01:08:00   you have no reason to worry about that [TS]

01:08:01   yeah it desirability goes right down the [TS]

01:08:04   toilet right that like that in a minute [TS]

01:08:07   that's a kind of mark against his [TS]

01:08:08   credibility how to happen to you [TS]

01:08:11   how do you reconcile that with the fact [TS]

01:08:14   that Steve would say things all the time [TS]

01:08:16   and then turn around and do the opposite [TS]

01:08:18   you know we're not going to have a [TS]

01:08:19   smaller ipad ah you're really ipad mini [TS]

01:08:22   because this did well but this was the [TS]

01:08:26   air it was it when Steve would say [TS]

01:08:31   things that into a year later turn [TS]

01:08:33   around and say the opposite and then it [TS]

01:08:36   was never like you [TS]

01:08:37   it was never a thing where you feel like [TS]

01:08:39   you were burned [TS]

01:08:41   yeah okay so here's what here's a good [TS]

01:08:43   example right that they come out with [TS]

01:08:44   the they call it the ipod photos right [TS]

01:08:46   wasn't that the name of the product it [TS]

01:08:47   was the first ipod with a color [TS]

01:08:49   display right could sync it to your [TS]

01:08:51   iPhotos and you get your photos on there [TS]

01:08:54   and then that people immediately after [TS]

01:08:57   the project was announced they'd say [TS]

01:08:58   well now that you have a color screen [TS]

01:09:00   why doesn't play video and Steve Jobs [TS]

01:09:02   said nobody wants to watch video on a [TS]

01:09:04   little too inch screen now why would [TS]

01:09:06   they want to look at the photos on [TS]

01:09:07   Tatooine scream but not like this video [TS]

01:09:09   I don't know but that's what he said [TS]

01:09:11   nobody wants to watch video on a two [TS]

01:09:12   inch screen and then a year later they [TS]

01:09:14   came out with the ipod with the same [TS]

01:09:16   size screen and now playing videos but [TS]

01:09:19   people people aren't mad because now [TS]

01:09:23   they have they have if if what you [TS]

01:09:24   wanted was an ipod that plays videos the [TS]

01:09:27   fact that a year later he told a totally [TS]

01:09:29   different story didn't make you mad [TS]

01:09:30   it made you happy because now you can [TS]

01:09:32   buy it ipod to play videos [TS]

01:09:34   yeah the difference would be if steve [TS]

01:09:36   jobs and today said before it came out [TS]

01:09:38   people are asking for an ipod that plays [TS]

01:09:42   videos we let me assure you we are [TS]

01:09:45   working on it and it's going to be [TS]

01:09:46   awesome and it's coming it's in the [TS]

01:09:48   pipeline so don't worry about it it's [TS]

01:09:50   going to be great you're going to be [TS]

01:09:51   able to watch video right in your pocket [TS]

01:09:52   from your pocket and then it never [TS]

01:09:54   shipped well then that would make people [TS]

01:09:55   angry right that's what the case would [TS]

01:09:58   be with the new desktops with with Tim [TS]

01:10:00   Cook and his credibility it [TS]

01:10:02   he's it again it's not like he does [TS]

01:10:06   isn't capable of spin but when he does [TS]

01:10:10   it's not it's very very carefully worded [TS]

01:10:13   and and it's not bullshit its might be [TS]

01:10:17   it's definitely spend it sometimes but [TS]

01:10:19   it's not bullshit [TS]

01:10:20   well to be to be clear I trusted I i [TS]

01:10:25   don't believe that Tim Wood commode and [TS]

01:10:27   say what he said if it wasn't true [TS]

01:10:30   right I agree iii-it's and even even if [TS]

01:10:34   it's not that you trust him personally [TS]

01:10:35   and I I do i do but even if you just [TS]

01:10:38   want to take your own personal opinions [TS]

01:10:40   of them out [TS]

01:10:41   it just makes no sense for him to to say [TS]

01:10:44   what he said if it wasn't true [TS]

01:10:46   no he can just do what they do most of [TS]

01:10:48   the time and just let it roll right you [TS]

01:10:51   know [TS]

01:10:51   so here's an example where I think Tim [TS]

01:10:53   Cook spins and says things something [TS]

01:10:55   that i don't quite think is true is I [TS]

01:10:58   think that his [TS]

01:10:59   his to dance on privacy and where Apple [TS]

01:11:03   stands competitively with Google in [TS]

01:11:05   particular but other companies like [TS]

01:11:07   Facebook is to me a little self-serving [TS]

01:11:10   and so far as that he his he'll say that [TS]

01:11:14   other companies collect your personal [TS]

01:11:16   data so that they can sell it it's not [TS]

01:11:19   really what Google does they don't [TS]

01:11:20   really sell your personal data it's not [TS]

01:11:25   what he says isn't really untrue it's [TS]

01:11:27   not false it's not a blatant lie but i [TS]

01:11:29   think it's a very euphemistic spin on [TS]

01:11:33   the state of affairs to cover up for [TS]

01:11:37   apples the state of apples a [TS]

01:11:40   personalization in certain areas [TS]

01:11:44   well yeah I mean it i'm just saying just [TS]

01:11:49   I didn't decide your and I just think [TS]

01:11:51   that what he says about brian i do think [TS]

01:11:53   Apple cares about your privacy right [TS]

01:11:54   it's it's it's it's it's largely true i [TS]

01:11:57   think apple does care about your privacy [TS]

01:11:58   i think google cares about your privacy [TS]

01:12:01   too and so far is it's very important [TS]

01:12:03   that Google's users and people who are [TS]

01:12:05   the most embedded in their ecosystem [TS]

01:12:07   trust the company with their information [TS]

01:12:10   right it is in Google's very highest [TS]

01:12:13   interest to keep the information they [TS]

01:12:16   collect about you safe but they I I [TS]

01:12:20   think that's part of it though that [TS]

01:12:22   Google collect so much information and [TS]

01:12:25   Apple really collects none they [TS]

01:12:28   anonymize you know almost everything so [TS]

01:12:31   they don't want your information they [TS]

01:12:33   won and and you know the old thing if [TS]

01:12:38   you didn't buy the product you are the [TS]

01:12:39   product my so well they're dead again no [TS]

01:12:42   that's I believe that I've used that I [TS]

01:12:44   you know you can find both bunch of [TS]

01:12:46   posts on during fireball where i've i've [TS]

01:12:47   used that but I do think that it [TS]

01:12:49   sometimes when Tim Cook throws it out [TS]

01:12:51   there its spin and it's not again not [TS]

01:12:54   false it's not bullshit but it is a [TS]

01:12:56   decidedly and carefully worded way of [TS]

01:13:00   saying things in Apple's favor that [TS]

01:13:02   maybe isn't really the most objective [TS]

01:13:04   way of saying period i don't see that at [TS]

01:13:07   all with his comments on the desktop [TS]

01:13:08   right like to write that the only reason [TS]

01:13:10   I'm going down this whole path on [TS]

01:13:12   cooking privacy is [TS]

01:13:13   and I think that you know is spin and [TS]

01:13:15   with the desktop there's no spin it it [TS]

01:13:17   he looks like a fool if it's not true oh [TS]

01:13:21   yeah absolutely i I don't see that at [TS]

01:13:23   all I mean they saw this Bloomberg story [TS]

01:13:26   I'm and knew that they had to respond in [TS]

01:13:31   some way or they wanted to respond in [TS]

01:13:33   some way so i think it was very strong [TS]

01:13:36   response [TS]

01:13:37   yeah I also and i keep reiterating this [TS]

01:13:43   i think that the software schedule that [TS]

01:13:45   mac OS is on is is proof the other way [TS]

01:13:48   that Apple is as in you know it very [TS]

01:13:51   very heavily invested in the mac and [TS]

01:13:54   cares about it because it it its annual [TS]

01:13:58   it's like clockwork now just like iOS [TS]

01:14:00   that there's going to be a significant [TS]

01:14:02   feature update to mac OS ah [TS]

01:14:05   every year and it didn't used to be that [TS]

01:14:07   way you know there were there it was [TS]

01:14:09   like the early years of mac OS they were [TS]

01:14:11   very frequent updates you know ten one [TS]

01:14:13   came out like six months after ten point [TS]

01:14:15   because 10-point was effectively a [TS]

01:14:17   public beta is something that they were [TS]

01:14:19   just sick of calling it a beta [TS]

01:14:21   yeah and tend to int n3 and even 10-4 [TS]

01:14:24   came out really quickly because there [TS]

01:14:26   were so many problems back then it was [TS]

01:14:28   jen just so slow it was the interface or [TS]

01:14:30   slow it was so they were doing so much [TS]

01:14:33   compared to what the hardware was [TS]

01:14:34   capable of that they really had to work [TS]

01:14:37   very hard to get it to I think 10-4 was [TS]

01:14:40   the first version that was called tiger [TS]

01:14:42   that was sort of like yeah this is [TS]

01:14:44   actually pretty good and then it slowed [TS]

01:14:47   down right and especially when the [TS]

01:14:49   iphone first came out and they even one [TS]

01:14:51   time even had to issue a press release [TS]

01:14:52   said hey we were gonna release you know [TS]

01:14:54   Mac os10 point whatever it was at WWDC [TS]

01:14:57   in june two thousand seven but we've had [TS]

01:15:00   to pull so many engineers to work on the [TS]

01:15:02   first I release of iphones OS that it's [TS]

01:15:05   going to be delayed till october and [TS]

01:15:06   yeah and then he remember in the the [TS]

01:15:10   years following that it was a crapshoot [TS]

01:15:14   about what Apple was going to do it at [TS]

01:15:17   WCC was it going to be a mac show or an [TS]

01:15:19   iOS show I'm and then finally you know [TS]

01:15:23   and [TS]

01:15:24   a few years ago they don't know if they [TS]

01:15:28   have enough resources or you know it's [TS]

01:15:31   it's running parallel but now it's both [TS]

01:15:34   you know now when you go to the WC it's [TS]

01:15:37   both Mac and iOS because you know [TS]

01:15:39   they're integrating and and stuff like [TS]

01:15:41   that but for a while wasn't it was one [TS]

01:15:43   of the other so anyway long story short [TS]

01:15:45   I think that the mac OS story shows that [TS]

01:15:48   Apple's committed i think that the way [TS]

01:15:49   that I think the touch bar as a piece of [TS]

01:15:52   hardware is a perfect example of apples [TS]

01:15:54   commitment to the mac i think the fact [TS]

01:15:58   that the day the touch bar shipped it [TS]

01:16:01   Apple's own apps dozens and dozens of [TS]

01:16:04   apps in the system had updates with very [TS]

01:16:09   very you know thorough touch bar support [TS]

01:16:12   clearly throughout the company people [TS]

01:16:14   you know who work on those apps you know [TS]

01:16:15   text edit and Mail safari messages just [TS]

01:16:19   you name it that the engineers work on [TS]

01:16:22   those had had spent a lot of time [TS]

01:16:24   working on clever thoughtful touch bar [TS]

01:16:27   support it shows that there's you know [TS]

01:16:29   within Apple there's a lot of commitment [TS]

01:16:30   to the mac i think the question is [TS]

01:16:32   specifically the mac pro and i don't [TS]

01:16:34   think that even if Apple is getting out [TS]

01:16:36   of the mac pro game that I don't think [TS]

01:16:39   it means that that the mac overall that [TS]

01:16:41   people need to worry about it i think [TS]

01:16:43   people are losing their minds on this [TS]

01:16:44   yeah i agree although if they are [TS]

01:16:47   getting out of the mac pro game it makes [TS]

01:16:49   no sense to me that they're still [TS]

01:16:51   selling these macs mac pros at the same [TS]

01:16:52   price that they should the way that if [TS]

01:16:55   they were getting out of the mac pro [TS]

01:16:56   game the way that it would make sense to [TS]

01:16:58   me would be if all right we're not going [TS]

01:16:59   to update them but every nine months 12 [TS]

01:17:03   months or so we'll keep lowering the [TS]

01:17:04   prices until you know we decided you [TS]

01:17:06   know 234 whatever that will just take [TS]

01:17:09   him away [TS]

01:17:09   you think they're selling any I can't [TS]

01:17:12   imagine that they're so what did you see [TS]

01:17:13   there is it good [TS]

01:17:14   I had a link to it chris adams and just [TS]

01:17:17   bought one last week I put it [TS]

01:17:20   link in the show notes it's sort of a [TS]

01:17:22   sad story really like where he obviously [TS]

01:17:24   was waiting and waiting and waiting to [TS]

01:17:26   update his old Mac Pro and he does [TS]

01:17:28   a video work and I i know on ATP Marco [TS]

01:17:35   Arment who who stays much more abreast [TS]

01:17:39   of like Intel's chips and what did you [TS]

01:17:42   know what the names that the child I [TS]

01:17:44   don't even pay attention that shit [TS]

01:17:45   anymore to tell you the truth because in [TS]

01:17:47   july i did see in our story where they [TS]

01:17:49   reviewed the new kb lake whatever from [TS]

01:17:52   in town and the gist of the our summary [TS]

01:17:54   was it's pretty much like the last one [TS]

01:17:56   just to let just ever so slightly faster [TS]

01:17:58   I mean and so it's like why even bother [TS]

01:18:00   paying attention it's it's it's not that [TS]

01:18:02   interesting but it the gist of it is he [TS]

01:18:07   bought it i think maybe he might have [TS]

01:18:08   been better off with an imac and that's [TS]

01:18:10   what Marco thanks to but he didn't he [TS]

01:18:13   bought the mac pro I guess because what [TS]

01:18:16   he does is it requires a lot of course [TS]

01:18:18   and it doesn't you know the video [TS]

01:18:20   processing it does can be parallelized [TS]

01:18:22   but he didn't even buy like the eighth [TS]

01:18:24   or 12-core one about the six core one so [TS]

01:18:26   we didn't even get the most course but [TS]

01:18:29   anyway long story short spoiler he spent [TS]

01:18:32   a lot of money on a new mac pro because [TS]

01:18:33   he needed it anything that was the best [TS]

01:18:35   thing to do and he's you know eyes wide [TS]

01:18:37   open about how old this is and how much [TS]

01:18:39   money it costs and then he sold all of [TS]

01:18:41   his apple stock but apparently had a [TS]

01:18:43   very very you know significant [TS]

01:18:45   investment and apple stock and sold it [TS]

01:18:46   because he's so not like Angry not like [TS]

01:18:49   I'm you know like he thinks he's [TS]

01:18:51   sticking it to apple by selling stock [TS]

01:18:53   and obviously doesn't hurt apple if you [TS]

01:18:55   want individual cells apple stock as [TS]

01:18:57   somebody else bought it it more though [TS]

01:19:01   that he can I think his argument was i [TS]

01:19:04   bought it way back when and apparently [TS]

01:19:06   bought it you know in the dark days when [TS]

01:19:08   you could really get a you know the [TS]

01:19:10   stock was way down compared to where it [TS]

01:19:11   is now bought it because he believed in [TS]

01:19:14   the company and thought that the market [TS]

01:19:16   was undervaluing apple and I think you [TS]

01:19:18   know easy to say yeah he was right and [TS]

01:19:21   anybody else who did buy stock you know [TS]

01:19:23   like in the late nineties early two [TS]

01:19:24   thousands thinking hey this company has [TS]

01:19:26   a bright future and I don't think the [TS]

01:19:28   market sees that you're right and that [TS]

01:19:30   he just doesn't see it anymore because [TS]

01:19:31   he doesn't he doesn't get apple anymore [TS]

01:19:33   and I definitely did just you know on [TS]

01:19:37   Twitter there's an awful lot of people [TS]

01:19:38   and I think that they're drawing the [TS]

01:19:39   connection that [TS]

01:19:40   the people who are most disappointed [TS]

01:19:42   apple today are the longest term all [TS]

01:19:45   this user's the whites who got into it [TS]

01:19:48   company in the nineties or even the [TS]

01:19:49   eighties I think that I water that comes [TS]

01:19:58   down to loyalty we have loyalty to a [TS]

01:20:03   apple because we believe that they make [TS]

01:20:06   great products [TS]

01:20:07   I mean I'm not blind to apples failings [TS]

01:20:12   and I'll bring them up you know all day [TS]

01:20:15   long but i'm not going to make up bad [TS]

01:20:19   things either you know Apple music I [TS]

01:20:21   think needs a lot of work i know that [TS]

01:20:24   there that I know that they're working [TS]

01:20:26   on it and I praise them when they do [TS]

01:20:30   good things but I also hit them when [TS]

01:20:33   they do bad things on and it's the same [TS]

01:20:36   with with all of their products and III [TS]

01:20:39   as long as you're fair i think that's [TS]

01:20:42   that's a good thing but the difference [TS]

01:20:45   with the new Apple customers is that in [TS]

01:20:52   in my mind there general consumers so if [TS]

01:20:57   something new and cool comes out [TS]

01:21:00   don't go by that whether it's apple or [TS]

01:21:02   whatever are so good [TS]

01:21:05   there's not that level of loyalty before [TS]

01:21:08   we remove off the topic of macros i do i [TS]

01:21:12   want to circle back to that thing i have [TS]

01:21:13   x touchdown with xcode where that's the [TS]

01:21:16   you know you don't don't rest your hat [TS]

01:21:18   on xcode because there's all sorts of [TS]

01:21:20   professional things that are better on [TS]

01:21:22   the mac then then iOS right and i think [TS]

01:21:26   that you will sooner rather than later [TS]

01:21:28   be able to develop apps on an ipad i [TS]

01:21:32   mean i think that the Swift playgrounds [TS]

01:21:34   is just the first step [TS]

01:21:35   I don't mind saying is coming this year [TS]

01:21:36   but i think that when whether they'll [TS]

01:21:41   call it X code or not when it comes out [TS]

01:21:43   for ipad i don't know because I think I [TS]

01:21:45   i don't think it would be xcode as we [TS]

01:21:48   know it is inextricably tied to the mac [TS]

01:21:51   you I paradise [TS]

01:21:52   it's it's got all sorts of little tiny [TS]

01:21:55   things that you know don't correlate to [TS]

01:21:57   touch or iOS so I think maybe the way [TS]

01:22:01   that you develop apps would be very [TS]

01:22:03   different from are significantly [TS]

01:22:05   different from the way you do it now [TS]

01:22:07   so whether they call an Xcode or not but [TS]

01:22:09   i think that the ability to develop apps [TS]

01:22:13   on an ipad is inevitable and it doesn't [TS]

01:22:17   add the fear I have is that they'll [TS]

01:22:19   announce this [TS]

01:22:20   ok we have this great new Xcode for ipad [TS]

01:22:22   and look it's so much easier to make it [TS]

01:22:24   easier than ever to make an appt blah [TS]

01:22:26   blah and then people are gonna go that's [TS]

01:22:29   it that mac is doomed because right now [TS]

01:22:30   there's xcode on ipad and I I that's the [TS]

01:22:33   wrong way to look at it it's just that [TS]

01:22:35   there's so many professional things [TS]

01:22:36   whether it's like high-end the highest [TS]

01:22:38   and 4k video editing and or pro [TS]

01:22:43   photographers who go on a shoot and [TS]

01:22:45   shoot 1500 or 2000 photos and need to [TS]

01:22:49   sort through them and find the pics all [TS]

01:22:52   sorts of advanced things like that are [TS]

01:22:54   so much better or can be so much better [TS]

01:22:56   on a mac and there's been don't and the [TS]

01:22:59   other thing too is don't forget that [TS]

01:23:00   Apple itself is a company full of [TS]

01:23:03   creative people not just developers it's [TS]

01:23:05   not just apples engineers who use xcode [TS]

01:23:07   who need max but Apple is a company full [TS]

01:23:10   of people who use photoshop and indesign [TS]

01:23:12   and you know provided just produce all [TS]

01:23:15   their marketing materials and stuff so [TS]

01:23:16   they're fully well aware of how creative [TS]

01:23:19   professionals rely on the Mac you you [TS]

01:23:22   have to at that point [TS]

01:23:24   look at aperture gone [TS]

01:23:30   yeah you know a final cut pro but had [TS]

01:23:34   not gone but well I think there's a lot [TS]

01:23:37   of vested in that I I it is you know a [TS]

01:23:39   lot of people say it's not as pro is [TS]

01:23:41   what it once was [TS]

01:23:42   I'm you know logic is still here but you [TS]

01:23:47   don't often hear from them anymore [TS]

01:23:49   yeah it's curious apertures definitely a [TS]

01:23:52   curious curious [TS]

01:23:53   yeah you know why and I know that you [TS]

01:23:56   know lightroom exist and i personally [TS]

01:23:58   preferred lightroom but that was because [TS]

01:24:00   way back in the day like when they were [TS]

01:24:02   both one point I was like room was fast [TS]

01:24:04   and aperture was slow [TS]

01:24:05   and I know that they fix that with [TS]

01:24:07   aperture and aperture eventually got [TS]

01:24:09   fast to and I definitely hear i see it [TS]

01:24:12   you know i get so much email and you [TS]

01:24:15   know I i have it so it's great i've [TS]

01:24:17   really welcome it helps me kind of keep [TS]

01:24:19   my pipe my finger on the pulse of the [TS]

01:24:22   people who listen to the show and read [TS]

01:24:23   my site I know that there are a lot of [TS]

01:24:27   serious either photo pros or serious [TS]

01:24:29   photo [TS]

01:24:30   what do prosumers you know maybe that's [TS]

01:24:33   not their profession but they they have [TS]

01:24:35   serious professional cameras and they [TS]

01:24:37   take it very seriously who was there are [TS]

01:24:40   still furious about the decision to take [TS]

01:24:43   to walk away from a pitcher because the [TS]

01:24:45   NN fully informed and have tried their [TS]

01:24:48   best to like lightroom don't like [TS]

01:24:49   lightroom and we like the aperture way [TS]

01:24:51   that it was you know you know and I do [TS]

01:24:54   see I like lightroom but I definitely [TS]

01:24:56   could see how a pitcher was a more apple [TS]

01:24:58   ii program it just had you know because [TS]

01:25:00   i was Apple but it just had like a [TS]

01:25:01   certain apple in a polina sandy mackness [TS]

01:25:04   to it with with some of these things [TS]

01:25:07   that have happened over the past number [TS]

01:25:09   of years it's easy to see how people are [TS]

01:25:14   they have the the thought or can be [TS]

01:25:19   easily convinced that Apple is getting [TS]

01:25:22   out of the the pro-market all markets [TS]

01:25:26   whether it's computers or you know [TS]

01:25:28   software anything else because once [TS]

01:25:30   you've been hit by this i mean if you're [TS]

01:25:32   a photographer and aperture is dead and [TS]

01:25:36   you know you're thinking wait a minute [TS]

01:25:38   it's been a thousand days now since the [TS]

01:25:40   mac pro has been updated and it's it's [TS]

01:25:43   easy to two lead yourself down that that [TS]

01:25:45   path that ok apples out of the [TS]

01:25:48   pro-market right helping the most [TS]

01:25:50   important thing is always been not for [TS]

01:25:52   Apple to make the pro apps that you use [TS]

01:25:54   but to make the system more pro apps can [TS]

01:25:56   really fly and have all of the api's and [TS]

01:26:01   capabilities and the performance that [TS]

01:26:03   pro apps need whether they're made by [TS]

01:26:04   adobe or other companies you know [TS]

01:26:07   independent companies like Pixelmator [TS]

01:26:10   and stuff like that [TS]

01:26:12   yeah I don't let me take a break and [TS]

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01:26:35   link i had to somebody went to the [TS]

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01:26:41   it's just they sometimes like a big [TS]

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01:26:44   like that they make their own i unlike [TS]

01:26:47   the other guys with the the Gillette's [TS]

01:26:50   and those guys they come out with new [TS]

01:26:51   blades every couple years new new things [TS]

01:26:53   and they keep raising the prices right [TS]

01:26:55   they'll come out with a new thing and [TS]

01:26:56   it's a better way to shave but then they [TS]

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01:27:01   with new design that they've added a [TS]

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01:27:07   easy-to-reach like that little place on [TS]

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01:27:10   with the full-size blade they've added a [TS]

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01:27:14   hinge from more comfortable glide they [TS]

01:27:17   did just improved their blades and a [TS]

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01:27:20   kept the price is exactly the same [TS]

01:27:22   instead of raising the price and keeping [TS]

01:27:24   the old ones i have a new model line all [TS]

01:27:25   they did was improving i kept the prices [TS]

01:27:27   the same it's still just to box / blade [TS]

01:27:29   compared to the four dollars and more [TS]

01:27:31   that you will pay for the big name [TS]

01:27:34   brands and I'm talking I've done this [TS]

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01:28:46   it's funny the the two sponsors that [TS]

01:28:49   you've had so forward to things that i [TS]

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01:28:54   shave underneath the beard at the neck [TS]

01:28:56   area or something I don't know I leave [TS]

01:28:57   that alone had just on the sides but [TS]

01:29:00   she's ya got ya and get the you know I [TS]

01:29:03   don't want to be a total homeless guy [TS]

01:29:06   now you know anyway what do you think [TS]

01:29:12   that's just this flash forward over here [TS]

01:29:14   we are talking first week in january i [TS]

01:29:16   do you think that the apples going to [TS]

01:29:19   have a march event [TS]

01:29:20   they've had March events now for a [TS]

01:29:21   couple years well the merger there would [TS]

01:29:25   be one to watch or iPad don't think [TS]

01:29:28   watch I think it would be ipad and maybe [TS]

01:29:30   like imac or wouldn't need if they [TS]

01:29:34   surprised us and mac pro that would be [TS]

01:29:38   neat i think the ipads or do because [TS]

01:29:40   they did the original iPad pro the big [TS]

01:29:43   12 point nine inch one in September last [TS]

01:29:45   year 2 2015 so you had spread that [TS]

01:29:48   product is now over a year old and then [TS]

01:29:53   the the mini-map ipad pro and I say Mac [TS]

01:29:56   Pro I met ipad pro yeah the 12-point [TS]

01:29:58   ipad pro the 9.7 inch iPad pro is was [TS]

01:30:03   released like five months later in march [TS]

01:30:05   of last year so that will be a year old [TS]

01:30:06   march and I think both of those products [TS]

01:30:09   you know it did you know would be easy [TS]

01:30:13   easy upgrades with the a-10 [TS]

01:30:16   system-on-a-chip from the iphone 7 [TS]

01:30:19   yeah I i guess if there are they seem to [TS]

01:30:25   be all over the place with the really [TS]

01:30:26   schedule of of these things but it makes [TS]

01:30:29   sense that they would have something [TS]

01:30:32   around merge but I i think it it'll have [TS]

01:30:36   a lot to do with what they have on tap [TS]

01:30:39   furred and DC because it would make more [TS]

01:30:42   sense to release [TS]

01:30:43   I max at WCC but if they don't have any [TS]

01:30:48   max maybe they'll realize I bands [TS]

01:30:50   instead [TS]

01:30:50   yeah I don't know that they care about [TS]

01:30:52   holding hardware for WWDC they have [TS]

01:30:54   state because you know they it's always [TS]

01:30:56   there's always plenty of software to [TS]

01:30:58   talk about right there but they're not [TS]

01:31:00   going to have they always like that [TS]

01:31:01   something and they're not going to have [TS]

01:31:04   an event for a mac mini yeah I don't [TS]

01:31:08   think so but if they could break to do a [TS]

01:31:09   combination with the ipad and make it [TS]

01:31:11   all about work you know because I [TS]

01:31:13   Glasgow is for work and Max for work I [TS]

01:31:16   I'm March the time frame makes perfect [TS]

01:31:20   sense to me [TS]

01:31:22   if not then DC know because the other [TS]

01:31:25   thing too that the big ipad pro is that [TS]

01:31:28   you know lacking the two-tone display [TS]

01:31:31   right yeah there's a couple of things [TS]

01:31:34   you know it's it even if they you know [TS]

01:31:37   who knows maybe they'll come up with a [TS]

01:31:38   lot of surprising new things to announce [TS]

01:31:40   but even just the obvious things it [TS]

01:31:41   seems like it's due for an update [TS]

01:31:44   I i love true tone I wish to tom was on [TS]

01:31:46   my phone I that's the one thing I've [TS]

01:31:49   said this before I add and chill or even [TS]

01:31:51   said when he announced it last year that [TS]

01:31:52   once you get used to it you can't go [TS]

01:31:54   back and it made me think it was coming [TS]

01:31:55   to the phone because I didn't think she [TS]

01:31:57   would say that if he didn't know it [TS]

01:31:58   wasn't coming to the phone and it didn't [TS]

01:32:00   come to the phone and it really it's the [TS]

01:32:01   one thing that annoys me about using my [TS]

01:32:03   iPad is have the 9.7 inch pro and it [TS]

01:32:08   annoys me because then it's after i've [TS]

01:32:10   liked read email on it and used it for [TS]

01:32:12   you know like 45 minutes and go and look [TS]

01:32:15   at my phone and if it's like nighttime [TS]

01:32:17   it looks terrible [TS]

01:32:18   yeah yeah I i want to tone on everything [TS]

01:32:22   it looks digs it makes your phone look [TS]

01:32:24   terrible [TS]

01:32:25   yeah it's just so good because you don't [TS]

01:32:28   make it you just don't notice you don't [TS]

01:32:30   know it's it's a totally it it plays [TS]

01:32:34   with your head it's like yeah you [TS]

01:32:35   realize there's I know that they're [TS]

01:32:37   shifting the colors and I'm so sensitive [TS]

01:32:38   to that like every time I see somebody [TS]

01:32:40   who uses night mode on their phone or [TS]

01:32:42   whatever it's called the thing that [TS]

01:32:44   makes your phone yellow I can't believe [TS]

01:32:45   it i believe the P I know there's lots [TS]

01:32:47   of people who love that feature but it [TS]

01:32:50   it sickens me because it just looks like [TS]

01:32:52   the phone is you know covered in urine [TS]

01:32:54   or something well it's supposed to put [TS]

01:32:56   you to sleep or somewhere [TS]

01:32:57   Eric or making not so awake so I know [TS]

01:33:03   so anyway I'd I think they'll be a march [TS]

01:33:04   event but there's no rumors to such as [TS]

01:33:07   such knows and I don't know if that's [TS]

01:33:09   sort of in some ways I i really do think [TS]

01:33:13   that if you take a step back and look I [TS]

01:33:16   do think that you remember couple years [TS]

01:33:17   ago and Tim Cook said they're doubling [TS]

01:33:18   down on secrecy [TS]

01:33:20   yeah i think in some ways they have I [TS]

01:33:22   think that in some ways apple has gotten [TS]

01:33:25   better at keeping some things secret and [TS]

01:33:29   that the only place where leaks come out [TS]

01:33:30   of any more as the supply chain and [TS]

01:33:31   that's sort of outside apples control [TS]

01:33:34   yeah but then look at some of the [TS]

01:33:36   stories that government does and those [TS]

01:33:38   are coming out of the supply chains you [TS]

01:33:40   know if that mac one [TS]

01:33:41   yeah but that I i have to have to [TS]

01:33:43   publish my van in the works okay i think [TS]

01:33:45   i even told Renee about it and that we [TS]

01:33:47   remain I talk back in 2016 my last [TS]

01:33:50   episode I'm got a response to that and I [TS]

01:33:53   it's just taking a long time because [TS]

01:33:54   it's a I don't know why but because i [TS]

01:33:58   want to be careful but I i really think [TS]

01:34:01   that the more you look at that story [TS]

01:34:04   from German the less there is to it [TS]

01:34:06   other than the things that we know which [TS]

01:34:08   are the obvious that the imac didn't get [TS]

01:34:10   updated in 2016 the mac pro hasn't been [TS]

01:34:12   updated in three years the mac mini has [TS]

01:34:14   been updated in three years and the [TS]

01:34:16   macbook pros were long in the tooth when [TS]

01:34:20   they were just updated but I also [TS]

01:34:22   actually think the more you look at [TS]

01:34:23   there's nothing in this store there's [TS]

01:34:24   nothing else in his story there's [TS]

01:34:25   nothing factual like and he says some [TS]

01:34:27   things that are ridiculous like is the [TS]

01:34:30   story about how they had two versions of [TS]

01:34:32   i forget which product but there were [TS]

01:34:34   two versions and development [TS]

01:34:36   I think of the the original the macbook [TS]

01:34:39   that then super-thin macbook two [TS]

01:34:41   versions in development and then they [TS]

01:34:43   decided to go with this one and it [TS]

01:34:45   somehow presented as as like a sign of [TS]

01:34:48   indecision executive indecision at apple [TS]

01:34:50   and a lack of leadership on the mac that [TS]

01:34:52   they did two designs and then choose one [TS]

01:34:54   that that's not that's how appleworks I [TS]

01:34:57   I honestly that it's like I i I've never [TS]

01:35:00   heard of a product an apple that didn't [TS]

01:35:01   have multiple versions in fact the fact [TS]

01:35:03   that there were only two is the most [TS]

01:35:04   surprising part of it usually they do [TS]

01:35:06   more and on the other side they do like [TS]

01:35:09   like everything every new product Apple [TS]

01:35:11   usually has like ten mock-ups of how the [TS]

01:35:14   interface should look and read designers [TS]

01:35:16   are it's not like do one that's the real [TS]

01:35:19   one and as busywork make nine you know [TS]

01:35:22   it's inconsequential changes knowing [TS]

01:35:26   that you go to the meeting and they're [TS]

01:35:27   going to pick the 1i like if you show up [TS]

01:35:30   like that you're on your way to get [TS]

01:35:31   fired at Apple like you are attracted to [TS]

01:35:33   have 10 mock-ups all of them might be [TS]

01:35:36   the one that is alright choose number [TS]

01:35:39   eight but give us 10 more based on [TS]

01:35:41   number eight for next week go [TS]

01:35:43   that's how appleworks they do of course [TS]

01:35:46   they have a plan B hardware you know and [TS]

01:35:48   with the macbook according to garmin [TS]

01:35:50   story they went with the one that was [TS]

01:35:52   the more radical design it's it's a sign [TS]

01:35:55   that Apple is you know [TS]

01:35:56   pedal-to-the-metal on being aggressive [TS]

01:35:59   about what they can do engineering-wise [TS]

01:36:01   with the mac as opposed to being lazy [TS]

01:36:03   no they're not they're not afraid to you [TS]

01:36:05   know to go off on a you know left field [TS]

01:36:08   somewhere right with any of their [TS]

01:36:10   product and and another point that [TS]

01:36:12   government had in his story on Bloomberg [TS]

01:36:13   was something to the effect of that [TS]

01:36:16   there was something with the batteries [TS]

01:36:17   in the new mac pros that they were going [TS]

01:36:22   to go with a guy I'd this is an [TS]

01:36:25   interesting thing if it's if it's true [TS]

01:36:27   because the corner government they were [TS]

01:36:28   going to they tried to have like a bunch [TS]

01:36:30   of smaller batteries that fill up more [TS]

01:36:32   of the space in the device and failed [TS]

01:36:37   some kind of test so they had to go with [TS]

01:36:39   a more traditional single rectangular [TS]

01:36:41   battery that you know I i don't think it [TS]

01:36:45   would have it it is the incremental [TS]

01:36:48   improvement of having like a sort of [TS]

01:36:51   stair-step battery design that feels [TS]

01:36:53   more of the crevices isn't going to like [TS]

01:36:56   radically double the battery life this [TS]

01:36:57   is you know that's like a way to get [TS]

01:36:59   like five to ten percent more battery [TS]

01:37:01   life out of a device [TS]

01:37:02   yeah it's interesting that if it's true [TS]

01:37:04   that they that they couldn't pull that [TS]

01:37:07   off for the mac book pro because that's [TS]

01:37:10   the actual design that they showed [TS]

01:37:11   that's what they're doing with the [TS]

01:37:12   macbooks remember that the part of the [TS]

01:37:16   like product video for the macbooks [TS]

01:37:18   I it was like Dan reaching that you know [TS]

01:37:21   was describing how they do that but [TS]

01:37:24   anyway the gist of government story with [TS]

01:37:26   this battery thing was that they went [TS]

01:37:28   with this simpler battery that maybe you [TS]

01:37:30   know III presumably procurement numbers [TS]

01:37:33   but i would guess maybe gets a ten [TS]

01:37:34   percent less battery life than the other [TS]

01:37:36   design they went with it so that they [TS]

01:37:38   could ship it now because otherwise if [TS]

01:37:40   they if they had waited until they could [TS]

01:37:42   pull the other design off here we would [TS]

01:37:44   be in January 2017 and we still wouldn't [TS]

01:37:47   have new macbook pros and then the whole [TS]

01:37:49   discussion that we're having about the [TS]

01:37:51   languishing hardware [TS]

01:37:52   we'd also be talking about that while [TS]

01:37:54   the macbook pro hasn't been updated in [TS]

01:37:56   three years or whatever you know what I [TS]

01:37:58   mean like you can't have it both ways [TS]

01:38:00   they have to ship eventually and there's [TS]

01:38:02   always room for improvement and if [TS]

01:38:04   there's no room for improvement then who [TS]

01:38:05   cares they're right then it's fine if [TS]

01:38:07   it's if there's nowhere you know if [TS]

01:38:08   they've if they've developed the perfect [TS]

01:38:11   macbook pro that never needs an update [TS]

01:38:13   then what are we talking about right it [TS]

01:38:15   didn't you know [TS]

01:38:16   so anyway I don't get it I don't either [TS]

01:38:20   but outside i lost my train of thought [TS]

01:38:26   where we goin 2017 what's happening with [TS]

01:38:32   the rumors that we were talking about [TS]

01:38:33   the tim cook and doubling down on [TS]

01:38:37   secrecy and if they have a marquee event [TS]

01:38:39   coming nobody knows because they've kept [TS]

01:38:41   their mouths shut up i don't know and it [TS]

01:38:43   could it could be i don't know maybe [TS]

01:38:45   there's rumors of updated iPads that I [TS]

01:38:47   just haven't seen but I haven't seen him [TS]

01:38:49   I didn't see me but I think they're do [TS]

01:38:50   and would be a good time to release new [TS]

01:38:52   imacs I think I we yeah we kind of set [TS]

01:39:00   the the expectations and only when we [TS]

01:39:03   say well it's been a year [TS]

01:39:07   it's time we need to update now [TS]

01:39:12   maybe they don't ya I think they do [TS]

01:39:15   eventually I'd you know right i think [TS]

01:39:16   the ipad is still it there's too much to [TS]

01:39:19   be gained the a-10 is just so much [TS]

01:39:21   better than a 989 is great and the [TS]

01:39:23   current ipad pros are great but it's [TS]

01:39:25   like one of the most amazing stories in [TS]

01:39:27   technology the last few years is that [TS]

01:39:30   the a series processors that Apple's [TS]

01:39:33   tractor now it's it's like a return to [TS]

01:39:36   you know the early years of the pc [TS]

01:39:38   industry where every year you're getting [TS]

01:39:40   these incredible Moore's law like I mean [TS]

01:39:43   did they keep showing the graphs at the [TS]

01:39:45   iphone events of the cpu and GPU [TS]

01:39:47   performance year-over-year and it's it's [TS]

01:39:51   like a hockey stick curve you know it's [TS]

01:39:53   it's getting more and more amazing [TS]

01:39:55   whereas you would think it would be more [TS]

01:39:56   incremental because that's what it's [TS]

01:39:58   like on the desktop size right now you [TS]

01:40:00   know that the new macbook pros [TS]

01:40:01   performance-wise they're not nobody's [TS]

01:40:03   bragging about how much faster the new [TS]

01:40:04   macbook pros are than the previous ones [TS]

01:40:06   because being faster is no longer really [TS]

01:40:08   that's not really where pcs are [TS]

01:40:10   improving [TS]

01:40:11   yeah but they could get they could they [TS]

01:40:13   could do that for sure with the ipad [TS]

01:40:15   just by going from the a92 the a-10 and [TS]

01:40:19   how important is speed on an ipad pro in [TS]

01:40:25   comparison to say usability I mean [TS]

01:40:30   they're you're talking more the UI and [TS]

01:40:33   UX well close to the actual speed of the [TS]

01:40:36   device itself [TS]

01:40:38   I don't know you could say the same [TS]

01:40:39   thing about the phone too though right [TS]

01:40:41   I don't know i think that it is [TS]

01:40:43   important i don't think just in terms of [TS]

01:40:45   in some ways I think just in terms of it [TS]

01:40:50   improves battery life right like that [TS]

01:40:53   the faster that CPU can be done doing [TS]

01:40:55   anything less the cpu is using a battery [TS]

01:40:58   I think it's a big part of it i guess [TS]

01:41:02   there are rumors i did see rumors a to [TS]

01:41:05   remember this is before you know just to [TS]

01:41:07   show that i'm not totally out of touch [TS]

01:41:09   of ipad rumors that there's rumors from [TS]

01:41:10   the supply chain that there's going to [TS]

01:41:12   be a third ipad sighs have you seen that [TS]

01:41:15   no [TS]

01:41:16   it's it's like in-between 9.7 it's like [TS]

01:41:20   an 11 inch ipad i don't i wouldn't make [TS]

01:41:23   any sense to me then frankly it seems [TS]

01:41:25   weird i don't see why it doesn't make [TS]

01:41:28   any sense to me that that they would [TS]

01:41:30   make an ipad in between those two sizes [TS]

01:41:32   but if we shall I don't get that I think [TS]

01:41:38   if it's true it would probably be [TS]

01:41:40   something to the effect of that the nine [TS]

01:41:42   you know that the older screen sizes are [TS]

01:41:44   being moved down the product line to the [TS]

01:41:46   mid-range and that the new size is the [TS]

01:41:48   new like top-of-the-line ipad here i'll [TS]

01:41:51   send you a link is indian regular apple [TS]

01:41:54   planning thicker bezel free 10.9 and [TS]

01:41:57   ipad pro with 9.7 inch footprint and no [TS]

01:42:01   home button so in other words the idea [TS]

01:42:02   would be it would be like a physically [TS]

01:42:05   the device would be the size of the [TS]

01:42:08   current 9.7 inch iPad pro but the [TS]

01:42:10   display would be bigger because they're [TS]

01:42:12   going to get rid of the the bezels [TS]

01:42:14   surrounding it [TS]

01:42:15   huh let me take a break since this is [TS]

01:42:19   seems like a break in the action here [TS]

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01:43:36   just remember that code talk show and [TS]

01:43:39   you get ten percent off your first [TS]

01:43:40   purchase [TS]

01:43:41   that's it Squarespace great council [TS]

01:43:45   agreed we see what else i have here in [TS]

01:43:49   my notes about the Apple New York Times [TS]

01:43:52   in China news came out two days ago that [TS]

01:43:55   Apple has pulled the New York Times apps [TS]

01:43:59   from the app store in mainland in the [TS]

01:44:02   people's republic of china and i wrote [TS]

01:44:07   about it and I got you know I got a [TS]

01:44:09   whole bunch of shit but well I my take [TS]

01:44:15   is that their headline is Apple removes [TS]

01:44:17   your x a piece from its store in China [TS]

01:44:19   to the New York Times said I think a [TS]

01:44:20   more accurate headline would be [TS]

01:44:21   something along China compels Apple to [TS]

01:44:23   remove New York Times apps from its [TS]

01:44:25   store in China because it doesn't sound [TS]

01:44:26   to me like Apple had any choice [TS]

01:44:28   I mean other than to actually get enough [TS]

01:44:30   a pissing match with the people's [TS]

01:44:33   republic of china which would surely [TS]

01:44:34   result in them pulling the plug on the [TS]

01:44:36   app store right i mean every guy i don't [TS]

01:44:39   understand the people who think you have [TS]

01:44:40   a choice i mean this is the problem with [TS]

01:44:41   the authoritarian regimes it in a place [TS]

01:44:45   like China where they have no freedom of [TS]

01:44:47   the press or anything like that it's not [TS]

01:44:49   like here it's not like you know like [TS]

01:44:51   what Apple is willing to fight the FBI [TS]

01:44:52   on unlocking an iphone why it's [TS]

01:44:54   different right you you can fight the [TS]

01:44:57   FBI here because it's a free country and [TS]

01:44:58   you can go to court and and and argue [TS]

01:45:01   with the FBI in court there's and you [TS]

01:45:03   can't go to court with the people's [TS]

01:45:05   republic of china and fight to keep the [TS]

01:45:07   new york times app in the store when [TS]

01:45:08   China comes to you and says you've got [TS]

01:45:10   to take this out of the story you've got [TS]

01:45:12   to take it out of the store yet started [TS]

01:45:13   so I don't understand what people it [TS]

01:45:16   want Apple to do other than pull out of [TS]

01:45:19   china which it i don't think you know a [TS]

01:45:22   business you know if you want to be a [TS]

01:45:24   little bird it it certainly wouldn't [TS]

01:45:30   make any business sense to do it but if [TS]

01:45:32   you think that in a moral regard apple [TS]

01:45:34   should simply stop doing business in [TS]

01:45:36   China I mean that's a reasonable take [TS]

01:45:38   and I can listen to the art [TS]

01:45:39   but it's it's tim cook's not going to do [TS]

01:45:41   it I don't understand what you what the [TS]

01:45:44   argument is that Apple could still have [TS]

01:45:47   an app store in China and sell their [TS]

01:45:49   products in China and not comply with [TS]

01:45:53   the Chinese government when they say [TS]

01:45:55   you've got to remove the New York Times [TS]

01:45:56   apps from the App Store is it is an [TS]

01:45:59   unfortunate that they have that much [TS]

01:46:02   control over over apple yeah you're [TS]

01:46:04   right and over of over a billion people [TS]

01:46:07   yeah i would be google wouldn't be with [TS]

01:46:08   one of the greatest things that can [TS]

01:46:10   happen in the world would be for the [TS]

01:46:11   Chinese government to open up and [TS]

01:46:12   support things similar to the our Bill [TS]

01:46:15   of Rights and I would be great but it's [TS]

01:46:18   you know that's not the way the world is [TS]

01:46:19   no so Apple is in a very tough position [TS]

01:46:23   they it like you said there was no [TS]

01:46:27   choice right and I think Apple knows [TS]

01:46:29   that it looks bad only capital is [TS]

01:46:30   located ok will do whatever you want you [TS]

01:46:32   no idea and they don't care it's not you [TS]

01:46:34   know I think Apple cares deeply about it [TS]

01:46:36   and wishes you know I that the Chinese [TS]

01:46:39   government into this but the other thing [TS]

01:46:41   that's interesting to me and I think [TS]

01:46:43   it's sort of downplay the most of the [TS]

01:46:44   stories about it is that the new york [TS]

01:46:45   times website has been blocked in china [TS]

01:46:47   since 2012 you know the existence of the [TS]

01:46:50   New York Times apps you know obviously [TS]

01:46:52   probably most people surely most people [TS]

01:46:55   in China don't have iphones because [TS]

01:46:56   they're so expensive and you know the [TS]

01:46:59   average income in China is very low but [TS]

01:47:02   it's you know it's obviously a big part [TS]

01:47:04   of apple's market they're selling more [TS]

01:47:06   and more of them more and more of their [TS]

01:47:07   products in China every year and for the [TS]

01:47:09   people who can't afford it [TS]

01:47:10   the app store gave them access to the [TS]

01:47:12   new york times that they couldn't get [TS]

01:47:14   through the internet or through the web [TS]

01:47:17   Beyonce internet but since obviously [TS]

01:47:19   it's coming down through the internet [TS]

01:47:20   well didn't want when all this FBI stuff [TS]

01:47:28   was going on didn't apple say that China [TS]

01:47:31   wanted a version of their operating [TS]

01:47:32   system as well and apple said no I think [TS]

01:47:35   so [TS]

01:47:35   I'm when you have a fight they if they [TS]

01:47:37   ask for that I mean because i think that [TS]

01:47:39   in order that Apple really would if push [TS]

01:47:41   came to search of would get out of China [TS]

01:47:43   over the China said you have to give us [TS]

01:47:46   the source code to iOS or or we won't [TS]

01:47:48   allow you to sell your iphones china i [TS]

01:47:50   think [TS]

01:47:50   apple with that i really do think that [TS]

01:47:52   apple would say all right we can't sell [TS]

01:47:54   iphones in China and we'll take the hit [TS]

01:47:56   on sales will take the hit on the stock [TS]

01:47:58   but there's no way that they're going to [TS]

01:47:59   give up the source code iOS to write [TS]

01:48:01   anybody let alone at the chinese [TS]

01:48:04   government so I you know Apple will make [TS]

01:48:07   a stand but you know that's that would [TS]

01:48:13   be a stand on their own software not a [TS]

01:48:17   nap when I so [TS]

01:48:18   oh yeah I they didn't have a choice that [TS]

01:48:22   sucks [TS]

01:48:22   it's terrible i but i feel bad for them [TS]

01:48:24   but you know I feel worse for the people [TS]

01:48:27   in China I mean it's that the problem is [TS]

01:48:29   the Chinese government not apple right [TS]

01:48:31   right now and we just got the talk show [TS]

01:48:34   band [TS]

01:48:35   well there you go you know you're you're [TS]

01:48:37   done you've been banded Apple to some [TS]

01:48:41   gun different fireball is now banned in [TS]

01:48:44   china i wonder if it's bad I don't know [TS]

01:48:45   I don't know I have no idea i well so [TS]

01:48:50   I've got this on my list and I know [TS]

01:48:52   you're you use you're still wearing your [TS]

01:48:53   Apple watch right i am because you you [TS]

01:48:56   know I've written extensively that you [TS]

01:48:57   used the fitness features on Apple watch [TS]

01:49:00   long story short have led you to you [TS]

01:49:02   lost a lot of weight and your you know [TS]

01:49:04   exercising a lot more regularly [TS]

01:49:06   it's you know it's like right out of an [TS]

01:49:08   apple commercial yeah except I don't [TS]

01:49:10   think they're gonna put some looks like [TS]

01:49:12   you in a precaution i don't think so i [TS]

01:49:14   should because I'm I'm really pretty so [TS]

01:49:17   I'm just sent me i am wearing it right [TS]

01:49:20   now they sent me the nike+ Apple watch [TS]

01:49:24   oh yeah i think it's I i honest to god I [TS]

01:49:27   think it's the best Apple watch out [TS]

01:49:28   because they they will note new Apple [TS]

01:49:32   watches first came out I the review unit [TS]

01:49:34   i had was this regular stainless steel [TS]

01:49:37   one [TS]

01:49:38   yeah i think that the aluminum one is [TS]

01:49:40   better [TS]

01:49:41   honest to god I really do i I've I've [TS]

01:49:44   always suspected this and I really you [TS]

01:49:46   know I I just like it better it feels to [TS]

01:49:48   me like the digital crown spins better i [TS]

01:49:51   think the taptic engine feel slightly [TS]

01:49:53   better i think that the steel is harder [TS]

01:49:55   for the tactics to get through the [TS]

01:49:57   aluminum I don't think it's a huge [TS]

01:49:58   difference but it's a subtle difference [TS]

01:49:59   I think it's a guy I it's a great great [TS]

01:50:03   product [TS]

01:50:04   the rumor that came out last week I link [TS]

01:50:06   to this was that one rumor came out [TS]

01:50:08   about this [TS]

01:50:09   the next Apple watch which was that the [TS]

01:50:11   the company that manufacturing is saying [TS]

01:50:13   that their their primary mission from [TS]

01:50:15   apple is to increase significantly [TS]

01:50:16   increase battery life I don't have a [TS]

01:50:19   problem with battery life I well here's [TS]

01:50:21   the I I don't have a few thoughts on [TS]

01:50:23   that I i think the series to watch gets [TS]

01:50:27   so much better battery life than the [TS]

01:50:29   serious one [TS]

01:50:30   it's on I I think I in my review of it i [TS]

01:50:33   think i missed just how much better it [TS]

01:50:34   is and I don't know if it's because [TS]

01:50:35   watch OS 3.1 made it better because it [TS]

01:50:38   seems like watching is 3.1 was a [TS]

01:50:41   tremendous bug-fix release for what was [TS]

01:50:43   already a great release watching us [TS]

01:50:46   watch 3.1 OS 3.1 was a great release [TS]

01:50:49   feature wise and interface wise but 3.1 [TS]

01:50:53   seems to have really fixed like a lot of [TS]

01:50:55   like little things like every once in [TS]

01:50:59   awhile you ever have like when your [TS]

01:51:00   Apple watch [TS]

01:51:01   it's right there next year iphone but it [TS]

01:51:03   says it doesn't see your iphone you get [TS]

01:51:05   that little red you know the little red [TS]

01:51:06   I don't see the iphone and then like a [TS]

01:51:08   minute later it goes away and it's fine [TS]

01:51:09   i never see that anymore like knowing [TS]

01:51:11   the little things like that like like [TS]

01:51:14   being connected to what you think it's [TS]

01:51:16   connected to or or the the way that this [TS]

01:51:18   the way that unlocks your imac now it [TS]

01:51:20   never liked doesn't see it it's always [TS]

01:51:22   there [TS]

01:51:22   um i ah I don't know I just think that [TS]

01:51:28   the battery life i'm getting on this is [TS]

01:51:29   tremendous I i'm getting at least two [TS]

01:51:31   days battery life sometimes even more [TS]

01:51:33   like where i can wear the watch to sleep [TS]

01:51:35   and wake up in the morning and it's [TS]

01:51:36   still like after starting the day before [TS]

01:51:38   a hundred percent charge it still at [TS]

01:51:39   like sixty percent CII just I'm in the [TS]

01:51:43   habit of i wear my watch all day long [TS]

01:51:47   never taken off I when I go to bed I put [TS]

01:51:50   it in the I have one of those little [TS]

01:51:52   stand chargers you know from Apple where [TS]

01:51:56   thing pops up from the middle and I put [TS]

01:51:58   it on there as soon as i get up in the [TS]

01:52:00   morning I put it on my wrist and I go so [TS]

01:52:04   my habit is to just leave it charging [TS]

01:52:08   all night and put it on in the day and [TS]

01:52:10   it never runs out on me [TS]

01:52:12   so and I use it a lot I i actually use [TS]

01:52:17   the apple watch a lot so you know it's [TS]

01:52:19   not that it's just sitting I I don't all [TS]

01:52:21   day long [TS]

01:52:23   I'm doing them the fitness stuff on it I [TS]

01:52:26   I always check my my messages on it you [TS]

01:52:31   know when alerts come in and things just [TS]

01:52:33   to see what's going on so I I yeah I use [TS]

01:52:38   it [TS]

01:52:39   here's the report this is from chinese [TS]

01:52:43   language economic daily news claim that [TS]

01:52:46   the next iteration of the wearable [TS]

01:52:47   device we've manufactured by [TS]

01:52:48   taiwan-based quanta which is already the [TS]

01:52:51   company that's making the first and [TS]

01:52:53   second-generation watches for apple so [TS]

01:52:55   it's not like they're changing and that [TS]

01:52:57   sighting market watchers and knowledge [TS]

01:52:59   of qantas plans [TS]

01:53:00   the paper said improving battery life is [TS]

01:53:02   the manufacturers quote main task but [TS]

01:53:06   beside general performance improvements [TS]

01:53:08   the devices other harder would not see [TS]

01:53:10   much change that's the report there's [TS]

01:53:13   one thing I wrote is that I i would love [TS]

01:53:16   to see it and always on display [TS]

01:53:17   I it bothers me i always has a long time [TS]

01:53:21   watch where that that sometimes I look [TS]

01:53:25   at the watch instead of seeing the time [TS]

01:53:26   i see the it's just black but i will add [TS]

01:53:29   somebody who's annoyed by that and still [TS]

01:53:31   wears non-apple watches occasionally not [TS]

01:53:36   even occasionally when I'm gonna I'd [TS]

01:53:38   like my mechanical watches I i think [TS]

01:53:42   that the risk detection has gotten [TS]

01:53:44   better than ever [TS]

01:53:45   I think that they've continued I think [TS]

01:53:47   it's always been pretty good but i think [TS]

01:53:48   it's gotten even better where there are [TS]

01:53:49   fewer and fewer times where if i look at [TS]

01:53:51   the watch the face isn't on but I'd [TS]

01:53:53   still like to see an always-on display [TS]

01:53:55   that would take more power and possibly [TS]

01:53:58   a different display technology to [TS]

01:54:01   prevent burning that was my idea for why [TS]

01:54:04   they you know other than it like don't [TS]

01:54:08   think about it as going between charges [TS]

01:54:10   think about like what could the watch do [TS]

01:54:12   with the same charge it every day or [TS]

01:54:14   charge it every other day span but what [TS]

01:54:17   could it do with more battery life the [TS]

01:54:19   other things and I didn't even think of [TS]

01:54:21   these but it's obvious people chimed in [TS]

01:54:24   on twitter [TS]

01:54:24   what if they added le [TS]

01:54:26   t networking and or GPS well i think the [TS]

01:54:34   watch is eventually going to get I don't [TS]

01:54:36   know but see the thing about LTE is that [TS]

01:54:38   you've gotta pay right it's like that [TS]

01:54:40   way even likely that the ipad was it [TS]

01:54:42   costs like 25 bucks a month to get [TS]

01:54:43   what's the cheapest plan you can get [TS]

01:54:45   with with a ipad yeah that while the you [TS]

01:54:49   get a a rolling plan isn't it that [TS]

01:54:52   doesn't that the cheapest where it's you [TS]

01:54:54   know you pay five dollars but then we [TS]

01:54:57   had added and stuff like that so if they [TS]

01:54:59   had LT I mean obviously in terms of [TS]

01:55:01   features that be great in some ways [TS]

01:55:03   where you can just go out with the watch [TS]

01:55:04   and you'd still get text messages and [TS]

01:55:06   stuff like that [TS]

01:55:07   I mean I be a tremendous feature but I [TS]

01:55:11   you know I don't know if that's the top [TS]

01:55:13   priority [TS]

01:55:13   just because you have the same bored [TS]

01:55:16   yeah I don't think that's a priority for [TS]

01:55:18   me [TS]

01:55:18   gps could be though because they have [TS]

01:55:20   they've really I feel like one of the [TS]

01:55:22   things that they really figured out in [TS]

01:55:24   between the original and this the the [TS]

01:55:27   series to hardware and watch us three is [TS]

01:55:30   that the fitness stuff is it was always [TS]

01:55:33   one of the tentpole features but i think [TS]

01:55:35   that they've really figured out that [TS]

01:55:36   this is why people buy the watches right [TS]

01:55:38   yeah people want notifications and [TS]

01:55:41   people want fitness tracking and the [TS]

01:55:43   fitness tracking GPS is a huge reason [TS]

01:55:45   that's a huge huge reason why people [TS]

01:55:47   it's probably the only reason why people [TS]

01:55:49   would still buy like stuff from garmin [TS]

01:55:50   right i mean if it's not for gps I don't [TS]

01:55:53   know why you would buy that [TS]

01:55:54   so in terms of just the competitive [TS]

01:55:56   landscape what are the reason somebody [TS]

01:55:59   would buy something other than if [TS]

01:56:01   they're going to put something on the [TS]

01:56:02   wrist for fitness right just gonna get a [TS]

01:56:05   gadget it's gonna go on my wrist it's [TS]

01:56:06   gonna help me track my fitness what are [TS]

01:56:09   the reasons you would not viewed by [TS]

01:56:10   something other than Applewhite's gps is [TS]

01:56:12   one of them [TS]

01:56:14   hmm but on the other hand you know you [TS]

01:56:16   look at the ones with garmin other gps [TS]

01:56:18   that are the bigs they're very yeah yeah [TS]

01:56:21   but i don't i don't know how important [TS]

01:56:24   that is to me though it may not be [TS]

01:56:26   important to you i don't think it would [TS]

01:56:27   be important to me at all because I [TS]

01:56:28   don't go anywhere and I do job but I jog [TS]

01:56:33   the same path every day so I don't need [TS]

01:56:34   to see I don't need you know I don't [TS]

01:56:36   need to see a map of where i go like [TS]

01:56:38   it's aight i'm boring i just know [TS]

01:56:40   exactly the path that i take i can tell [TS]

01:56:43   you exactly you know you can look at my [TS]

01:56:45   watch and see the runs and i can tell [TS]

01:56:47   you exactly where I went because I just [TS]

01:56:48   take the same path I but for some people [TS]

01:56:52   it's huge [TS]

01:56:53   I know some of you know some friends who [TS]

01:56:55   are serious about their bicycling and [TS]

01:56:59   gps is fundamental to their their [TS]

01:57:01   workouts you know that they go they want [TS]

01:57:04   to know exactly the trail they took on a [TS]

01:57:05   UH on a bike ride [TS]

01:57:07   well the apple watch the series 2 does [TS]

01:57:12   have gps tracking in it not on its own [TS]

01:57:15   right does it [TS]

01:57:17   yeah on its own it does yeah and I don't [TS]

01:57:21   know that GPS are you serious yeah now [TS]

01:57:24   it goes through the phone right [TS]

01:57:26   no no you don't need the phone anymore [TS]

01:57:28   really yeah well then I didn't know that [TS]

01:57:33   at least I didn't remember it for [TS]

01:57:35   tracking so that you can it will track [TS]

01:57:37   where you walk and it's it makes it [TS]

01:57:40   better [TS]

01:57:42   you know you've walked the speed and all [TS]

01:57:45   that kind of stuff huh how about that i [TS]

01:57:49   didn't know that I don't know if it will [TS]

01:57:51   do like maps and stuff yeah that's what [TS]

01:57:55   I'm talking about i don't think i don't [TS]

01:57:56   think that's what I'm talking about I'm [TS]

01:57:58   talking about like it it always is for [TS]

01:58:00   your it's a GPS tracking so if i go to [TS]

01:58:03   do a workout and I i start a workout [TS]

01:58:08   it knows where I am as I'm walking [TS]

01:58:11   around and and when i get home and it's [TS]

01:58:14   thanks to my phone it actually puts a [TS]

01:58:17   little map in in the activity [TS]

01:58:20   yeah i'm looking at the website built in [TS]

01:58:22   gps well I where I went [TS]

01:58:24   this is a real test for me Jim do I let [TS]

01:58:27   this stand where i talk for two minutes [TS]

01:58:28   about how the watch could gps or do i [TS]

01:58:30   edit out now cut it i think we should [TS]

01:58:34   let its that all right let it stand i [TS]

01:58:36   think we should let it stand people can [TS]

01:58:38   know that i'm on the podcaster with [TS]

01:58:39   integrity [TS]

01:58:40   yeah littleton gps i forgot i either [TS]

01:58:43   didn't know it wasn't paying attention [TS]

01:58:44   or completely forgot that the watch [TS]

01:58:46   already has built-in GPS so LTE would [TS]

01:58:49   obviously be the addition [TS]

01:58:51   don't tell me an artist LTE to know it [TS]

01:58:53   does not see I i think in order to do [TS]

01:58:57   maybe it may be in order to do the type [TS]

01:58:59   of GPS you're talking about it would [TS]

01:59:03   need LTE right [TS]

01:59:07   no I don't think so i'm talking about i [TS]

01:59:09   think it's got it must already have what [TS]

01:59:11   i was talking about [TS]

01:59:12   ok so I so the the thing that that I did [TS]

01:59:17   with my watch when i got series to I [TS]

01:59:20   would always take my phone with me and [TS]

01:59:23   then it would have my watch would have [TS]

01:59:26   gps but with apple while watch series 2 [TS]

01:59:29   I didn't need to take the phone with me [TS]

01:59:31   anymore and i had the wireless [TS]

01:59:33   headphones i put a music list on my [TS]

01:59:35   watch so i could listen to music [TS]

01:59:37   wirelessly from my watch and have a [TS]

01:59:41   track where I was walking and when i get [TS]

01:59:42   back it would sink with my phone and [TS]

01:59:45   everything would be there [TS]

01:59:47   yeah so that part is is kind of cool [TS]

01:59:51   the single thing that they could do for [TS]

01:59:52   Apple watch that would make me happier [TS]

01:59:55   would be to make it easier to [TS]

01:59:55   would be to make it easier to [TS]

02:00:00   easier to put music on on the watch and [TS]

02:00:03   like not make me have to do in advance [TS]

02:00:05   and to make it easier specifically for [TS]

02:00:08   third-party developers to to load [TS]

02:00:10   content on the watch because what i want [TS]

02:00:12   in particular is I want I use overcome [TS]

02:00:14   marcos mark Harmon's overcast listen to [TS]

02:00:17   podcast most of what i do and always [TS]

02:00:19   when I go for a jog always almost always [TS]

02:00:22   listen to podcasts i would love to do it [TS]

02:00:25   and be able to leave my phone at home [TS]

02:00:27   and not have to jump through like 10 [TS]

02:00:29   minutes of Hoops of sinking this to that [TS]

02:00:31   just have it just trust that [TS]

02:00:33   automatically the watch already has like [TS]

02:00:36   you know that two most recent episodes [TS]

02:00:40   of all the podcast i subscribe to [TS]

02:00:42   already on it so i can just go out with [TS]

02:00:44   their pods and the watch and just play [TS]

02:00:46   podcast i would love that i would be [TS]

02:00:50   good because going with the phone it's [TS]

02:00:52   you know it's just it's it's there's no [TS]

02:00:54   good there's no good place to put a [TS]

02:00:55   phone if you're going out for a run just [TS]

02:00:57   the just and I i usually jog in my [TS]

02:00:59   speedos so that makes and bored there [TS]

02:01:07   now I've been trying to think anything [TS]

02:01:10   else that you want to talk about [TS]

02:01:11   anything else in the news that's on your [TS]

02:01:12   mind gym now [TS]

02:01:15   no it's been a pretty good pretty good [TS]

02:01:18   end of year i think it was pretty calm [TS]

02:01:20   except for the mac stuff you know I well [TS]

02:01:24   what about what about this new the [TS]

02:01:27   iphone rumors about you know [TS]

02:01:28   edge-to-edge glass [TS]

02:01:30   what do you think about that it did the [TS]

02:01:32   rumors don't make any sense to me [TS]

02:01:34   I've heard that they're working on an [TS]

02:01:35   edge-to-edge iphone i heard that a while [TS]

02:01:37   ago I and it's I think no surprise i [TS]

02:01:40   think it you know there's a lot it makes [TS]

02:01:41   a lot of sense i think the fact that [TS]

02:01:43   they've gotten rid of the physical home [TS]

02:01:45   button it makes logical sense that [TS]

02:01:47   they're moving in that direction that [TS]

02:01:49   could be one reason that they did that [TS]

02:01:50   on divided side note by the way the [TS]

02:01:56   other day my iphone ran out before the [TS]

02:01:59   end of the day of battery for the first [TS]

02:02:01   time I think might be the first time [TS]

02:02:02   that happened to me since I've had the [TS]

02:02:05   iphone 7 [TS]

02:02:06   I don't know what I i guess i was using [TS]

02:02:07   it all day and it ran out and it [TS]

02:02:11   wouldn't run out while i was using it [TS]

02:02:13   like on my desk and I was like ready to [TS]

02:02:15   call it a night i was doing something my [TS]

02:02:17   computer really late at night and I [TS]

02:02:19   picked it up and I went to press the [TS]

02:02:21   home button and it didn't move because [TS]

02:02:22   he was dead and it felt gross it was [TS]

02:02:25   almost like I wanted to drop it like I [TS]

02:02:27   you know like like I picked up a dead [TS]

02:02:29   mouse it haha [TS]

02:02:31   uh-huh it felt it was because I expected [TS]

02:02:35   it to turn on i had no reason to think [TS]

02:02:36   that the battery was dead and the fact [TS]

02:02:38   that the button didn't move it didn't [TS]

02:02:40   just feel wrong it felt gross anyway so [TS]

02:02:43   I do I could see them moving to an edge [TS]

02:02:45   design but the specific rumors don't [TS]

02:02:47   make any sense to me because the [TS]

02:02:48   specific rumors are that they've got new [TS]

02:02:50   phones and in development at the current [TS]

02:02:53   sizes 4.7 and 5.5 inch displays yeah and [TS]

02:02:57   a new one that's five point eight inches [TS]

02:03:00   diagonally and it makes no sense to me [TS]

02:03:02   that they would come out with all of [TS]

02:03:04   those like I could see that they would [TS]

02:03:06   come out with the phone with a 5.8 inch [TS]

02:03:08   diagonal display in a bezel list case or [TS]

02:03:12   a much smaller bezel case so that the [TS]

02:03:15   physical device isn't much bigger right [TS]

02:03:18   like and some people have you know with [TS]

02:03:19   rulers you can figure out that that if [TS]

02:03:21   they really do get rid of the forehead [TS]

02:03:23   and chin bezels that a 5.8 inch display [TS]

02:03:27   wouldn't really even be a plus-sized [TS]

02:03:28   phone it would be slightly bigger than [TS]

02:03:31   the regular iphone 7 it would be a [TS]

02:03:33   little bit wider but mostly the same [TS]

02:03:35   height so in terms of overall size it [TS]

02:03:37   might be very similar that that going [TS]

02:03:40   from 4.7 25.8 really is just the [TS]

02:03:43   diagonal of those puzzles so I could see [TS]

02:03:45   that but I don't see why in the world [TS]

02:03:47   would they come out with new phones with [TS]

02:03:48   the old sizes [TS]

02:03:49   it doesn't make any sense to me that [TS]

02:03:50   they come out with all of them so the [TS]

02:03:52   only way that the rumors make any sense [TS]

02:03:54   to me is if this involves apple still [TS]

02:03:57   being in a plan a plan B scenario where [TS]

02:04:02   plan a would-be to go with this radical [TS]

02:04:04   new edge to edge design and plan B would [TS]

02:04:10   be if we feel like when it when when it [TS]

02:04:12   gets to the point where we have to say [TS]

02:04:13   go and put the stuff in the production [TS]

02:04:16   if we're not we don't think we're ready [TS]

02:04:17   to make a sep tember ship date we're [TS]

02:04:20   gonna have to go with Plan B which is to [TS]

02:04:22   keep the same sizes and come out with [TS]

02:04:23   just this 7s 7x plus next year but I [TS]

02:04:27   don't see why they would do but that [TS]

02:04:29   doesn't make any sense to me that they [TS]

02:04:30   would come out with for lack of a better [TS]

02:04:32   word let's just call it the iphone 8 [TS]

02:04:34   with a radical edge to edge design come [TS]

02:04:37   out with that and come out with the 7s [TS]

02:04:39   plus it doesn't make any sense or 7s you [TS]

02:04:42   know 7s & 7 S Plus doesn't make any [TS]

02:04:44   sense [TS]

02:04:44   that's an awful big gamble though it's a [TS]

02:04:47   huge gamble but that's what doing it [TS]

02:04:50   makes sense to me i don't see how they [TS]

02:04:52   why they would to come out with a third [TS]

02:04:53   sighs I think if they come out with a [TS]

02:04:58   new edge dead display that there's this [TS]

02:05:00   year than the seven and seven plus [TS]

02:05:03   because just stay exactly as they are [TS]

02:05:06   and move to the middle price points [TS]

02:05:08   I don't see why they would come out with [TS]

02:05:11   new phones that are a radical design and [TS]

02:05:13   come out with new phones that have a [TS]

02:05:15   same as last year design would buy the [TS]

02:05:17   food by those nobody right well I mean [TS]

02:05:21   you're always gonna have the people that [TS]

02:05:23   that will complain about you know and [TS]

02:05:25   just hit i would talk about this with a [TS]

02:05:27   bunch of people on twitter too and [TS]

02:05:29   people said well maybe this new edge [TS]

02:05:30   when they won't be able to make it in [TS]

02:05:32   huge quantities so you know that's why [TS]

02:05:36   they would do the 7s and seven as close [TS]

02:05:38   to as good well we have why would a [TS]

02:05:40   couple if they can't do it in sufficient [TS]

02:05:42   quantities that y release it [TS]

02:05:44   yeah that would be like the most allan [TS]

02:05:45   appel like thing i've ever heard of to [TS]

02:05:47   MIT to have a device that that they make [TS]

02:05:49   and that they can't make enough of on [TS]

02:05:52   purpose [TS]

02:05:53   it doesn't make any sense good right and [TS]

02:05:56   so what then that what you'd have what [TS]

02:05:58   1,000,000 lucky people who got the ones [TS]

02:06:01   that come out and and fifty million [TS]

02:06:05   people who are like oh I wanted to cool [TS]

02:06:07   one but i guess i'll get the one that's [TS]

02:06:08   not cool and you know paid hundred [TS]

02:06:11   dollars for a phone that they didn't [TS]

02:06:12   really want that doesn't make any sense [TS]

02:06:13   to me though and who I did it [TS]

02:06:20   you know certainly is interesting rumor [TS]

02:06:21   though it's very similar to the ipad [TS]

02:06:25   rumor I told you where there's this [TS]

02:06:27   third sighs with no bezels [TS]

02:06:29   right varies it's sort of the same thing [TS]

02:06:32   in both directions but i don't know you [TS]

02:06:34   know who knows whether they're ready for [TS]

02:06:35   it doesn't make sense to me [TS]

02:06:38   I'm ice part but we'll see solar focus [TS]

02:06:45   yeah the other thing is weird about the [TS]

02:06:47   rumor to me is that this new 3rd size [TS]

02:06:49   five point eight inch would be a it that [TS]

02:06:54   there's only one you know that there's [TS]

02:06:56   not a corresponding you know that that [TS]

02:06:58   if they come out with a new edge did [TS]

02:06:59   just design and as this 5.8 inch display [TS]

02:07:02   that they're talking about [TS]

02:07:03   there's only one size of it and that [TS]

02:07:05   sounds unusual to me it seems to me like [TS]

02:07:07   this to size thing is a big part of [TS]

02:07:10   apples you know they appeal of that the [TS]

02:07:13   iphone lineup doesn't make sense to me [TS]

02:07:17   what would that make bringing the other [TS]

02:07:20   two products you know this year's [TS]

02:07:24   products along with that make that make [TS]

02:07:26   more sense now it doesn't make any sense [TS]

02:07:28   to me but what if they only released one [TS]

02:07:30   size of the edge stage I don't know [TS]

02:07:34   i-i've but I i guess they could but it [TS]

02:07:37   doesn't it doesn't seem doesn't seem to [TS]

02:07:39   fit the pattern of apples previous [TS]

02:07:41   releases no well i agree anyway at least [TS]

02:07:46   wear something for us to write about [TS]

02:07:47   this year it seems that there's going to [TS]

02:07:50   be a few things to write about for sure [TS]

02:07:51   Jim I thank you for your time [TS]

02:07:56   it's always good to have you on the show [TS]

02:07:57   people can get all the durable they want [TS]

02:07:59   at your website the loop which is it [TS]

02:08:02   loop in site.com on twitter i think [TS]

02:08:07   you're J Dalrymple correct i am [TS]

02:08:09   yep and that's where they can they can [TS]

02:08:10   get your tweets Richard always always a [TS]

02:08:14   pleasure [TS]

02:08:15   haha careful you want to get your [TS]

02:08:19   collagen collagen play on the better [TS]

02:08:23   it'll cheer you right up [TS]

02:08:25   syria we have no problem little yeah [TS]