The Talk Show

177: ‘Surface Curious’, With Special Guest Rene Ritchie


00:00:00   alright i'll forgive you for cheating [TS]

00:00:02   how you feeling you feel better you [TS]

00:00:03   still get more excited now I feel [TS]

00:00:04   terrible that I invited John the show [TS]

00:00:06   no I'm doing really good it's one of [TS]

00:00:07   those things where like I want someone [TS]

00:00:08   who's only really sick at night and like [TS]

00:00:10   late at night like nine o'clock i feel [TS]

00:00:12   horrible but you know what's the damn [TS]

00:00:14   fine i'm using of the remaining hours of [TS]

00:00:16   you [TS]

00:00:16   not a lot of fun alright well we'll try [TS]

00:00:20   to hurry up [TS]

00:00:21   no not at all what you want to start [TS]

00:00:26   with you want to do the interview stuff [TS]

00:00:29   do you want no I think we should i save [TS]

00:00:30   let's save that ok let's do this let's [TS]

00:00:32   talk about a topical new stuff that [TS]

00:00:35   apple and finally publishing AI yeah [TS]

00:00:38   there's that was that was that's you [TS]

00:00:40   know they said they were going to do it [TS]

00:00:42   and now they've done it so it's you know [TS]

00:00:43   in some ways it's you know Apple does [TS]

00:00:46   what they said they were going to do so [TS]

00:00:48   it's not that big a deal but it's you [TS]

00:00:51   know it's another step in the new Apple [TS]

00:00:54   the open apple right absolutely and what [TS]

00:00:57   was hilarious to me is that we talked [TS]

00:00:59   about this on on the talk show [TS]

00:01:01   previously was google got up at i/o and [TS]

00:01:04   instead of showing off a lot of cool [TS]

00:01:05   stuff that they're doing with AI they [TS]

00:01:06   basically reintroduced sequential [TS]

00:01:08   inference from Cirie from 2010 and [TS]

00:01:11   everyone just lost their shit and said [TS]

00:01:12   you know apples way behind and apples [TS]

00:01:14   been doing this stuff since before [TS]

00:01:16   Series and they've been doing all sorts [TS]

00:01:17   of different machine learning and it and [TS]

00:01:19   he's never spoke about it and now [TS]

00:01:21   they're sort of has become table stakes [TS]

00:01:22   and Wall Street and everyone's judging [TS]

00:01:24   you based on your apron AI performance [TS]

00:01:26   so they have to get out of the story [TS]

00:01:27   sequential inferences when you do [TS]

00:01:29   something like haste well hey dingus [TS]

00:01:32   what what's the Dallas Cowboys record [TS]

00:01:35   and then Syria will answer we can tell [TS]

00:01:38   you that there are 13 into and then you [TS]

00:01:41   say when do they play next [TS]

00:01:44   yeah and Cirie you know I don't know if [TS]

00:01:46   that I don't know if that particular [TS]

00:01:47   example works but sequentially in front [TS]

00:01:49   it what we call it sequential equation [TS]

00:01:51   inference the current is when in other [TS]

00:01:53   words the sequential query Siri can [TS]

00:01:56   infer what I mean when I say they yeah [TS]

00:01:59   like this last example is what's the [TS]

00:02:00   capital of Germany and it'll say Berlin [TS]

00:02:02   you say what's the population you want [TS]

00:02:03   to say Berlin again because it remembers [TS]

00:02:05   what you're talking about right which is [TS]

00:02:06   something that you don't it [TS]

00:02:09   the reason I don't even know I'm not at [TS]

00:02:11   whenever one amount of AI researcher [TS]

00:02:12   number two [TS]

00:02:13   the reason that most people don't know [TS]

00:02:16   the term sequential inference is because [TS]

00:02:18   it comes naturally to human beings it's [TS]

00:02:20   called having a conversation [TS]

00:02:22   yeah absolutely right it's all part of [TS]

00:02:24   their natural language you no matter [TS]

00:02:26   whatever magic that they've got going on [TS]

00:02:29   right there's all sorts of things that [TS]

00:02:30   will say even in this conversation on [TS]

00:02:32   the show that taken out of context as an [TS]

00:02:36   individual sentence somebody would say I [TS]

00:02:37   don't know what the hell they're talking [TS]

00:02:38   about but it makes perfect sense in the [TS]

00:02:41   midst of a conversation and that's a [TS]

00:02:42   very tricky AI problem [TS]

00:02:45   yeah and you know it go again there was [TS]

00:02:47   all this conversation about right now a [TS]

00:02:49   people are saying amazon is far away [TS]

00:02:51   ahead in terms of natural language [TS]

00:02:52   invoice assistance and we saw the story [TS]

00:02:55   about when hotels installing alexa in [TS]

00:02:58   all of you know the win and in encore [TS]

00:03:01   encore and yet to some extent because [TS]

00:03:04   but I think it's also greatly inflated [TS]

00:03:06   by how much American tech point is [TS]

00:03:08   really love amazon because outside of [TS]

00:03:09   the US and the UK and now Germany's in [TS]

00:03:12   September it [TS]

00:03:14   amazon has absolutely no presence [TS]

00:03:15   meanwhile Apple and Google are doing [TS]

00:03:16   multilanguage and Ellie sometimes [TS]

00:03:18   multilingual where you can switch from [TS]

00:03:19   one language to another during a [TS]

00:03:21   conversation which is super important in [TS]

00:03:22   some countries like Europe even in [TS]

00:03:24   montreal and so everyone is sort of a [TS]

00:03:26   head in different areas when you [TS]

00:03:28   normalize it its it's super interesting [TS]

00:03:29   area [TS]

00:03:30   yeah so we get segue right into the [TS]

00:03:32   story about the wind encore [TS]

00:03:35   yeah it's pretty interesting [TS]

00:03:38   so the basic to miss anything on the [TS]

00:03:41   other story the it was mostly was [TS]

00:03:44   basically computer vision where they [TS]

00:03:45   were trying to train its super hard to [TS]

00:03:48   get right you all the time being and [TS]

00:03:49   annotate images because you have to go [TS]

00:03:51   to the image and tell the computer [TS]

00:03:52   everything is so they're trying to use [TS]

00:03:53   simulated images to identify enough that [TS]

00:03:56   they can start applying what's in the [TS]

00:03:58   start figuring out what's in the natural [TS]

00:03:59   images right but as i wrote i think i [TS]

00:04:03   don't know i guess i agree with myself [TS]

00:04:05   but the bigger news is not it [TS]

00:04:07   whatever the details of this particular [TS]

00:04:09   paper it's that Apple's AI researchers [TS]

00:04:12   are in fact publishing papers at all [TS]

00:04:14   guys apple is a very secretive company i [TS]

00:04:17   don't know if you knew that and they [TS]

00:04:19   traditionally keep what they're working [TS]

00:04:22   on to themselves until they have a [TS]

00:04:24   product [TS]

00:04:25   and even when the product comes out they [TS]

00:04:27   don't really explain a lot often don't [TS]

00:04:29   explain how it works they just put it [TS]

00:04:32   out for people to enjoy [TS]

00:04:34   yeah that seems to have changed [TS]

00:04:35   radically like right around the wdc when [TS]

00:04:37   they started talking about computer [TS]

00:04:38   vision and machine learning on stage and [TS]

00:04:40   then tim cook made comments about how [TS]

00:04:41   they're using artificial intelligence to [TS]

00:04:43   increase battery life and apples one of [TS]

00:04:45   the few companies that makes their own [TS]

00:04:46   look like Samsung make some silicon but [TS]

00:04:48   they don't use it and all their phones [TS]

00:04:49   apple does so they can put stuff in the [TS]

00:04:51   chip that does a lot of the stuff that [TS]

00:04:52   you know other companies have to do in [TS]

00:04:54   the software layer and they've they're [TS]

00:04:56   deeply invested in all this technology [TS]

00:04:57   yeah there when it was a presentation [TS]

00:04:59   recently that Apple AI researcher gave [TS]

00:05:01   it i think it was actually where the [TS]

00:05:03   news came out that they're going to [TS]

00:05:04   start publishing and I know that this [TS]

00:05:06   this particular thing on the image [TS]

00:05:09   recognition was part of the talk that [TS]

00:05:10   was given and they were talking about [TS]

00:05:14   like that the custom set of images that [TS]

00:05:16   they have that's apparently way bigger [TS]

00:05:18   than then like the standard one that's [TS]

00:05:21   there's like an open-source one I don't [TS]

00:05:22   know if it's actually open source but [TS]

00:05:23   effectively open that researchers can [TS]

00:05:25   use an apple has like their own [TS]

00:05:26   proprietary set of i don't know how many [TS]

00:05:28   million images but the big story is the [TS]

00:05:32   bigger story is that Apple's publishing [TS]

00:05:33   it at all because that the and I think [TS]

00:05:36   this is true i think it's a very simple [TS]

00:05:37   story which is that in the AI community [TS]

00:05:39   it's a very it academic community and [TS]

00:05:42   much like the university world [TS]

00:05:43   publishing is it is how you get ahead [TS]

00:05:48   professionally and so to take a job as [TS]

00:05:51   an AI researcher at a company where [TS]

00:05:53   you're not allowed to publish anything [TS]

00:05:55   is is sort of a dead-end career wise so [TS]

00:06:00   you you know you you could maybe throw [TS]

00:06:03   money at the problem but at a certain [TS]

00:06:05   part it you know for a lot of these [TS]

00:06:07   professionals you know their career is [TS]

00:06:09   more important than their salary they're [TS]

00:06:11   not in it for them getting I mean he's [TS]

00:06:13   nice i'm sure that you know apples are [TS]

00:06:15   researchers are not compensated very [TS]

00:06:17   well you know compared to like the [TS]

00:06:20   median income of the average citizen in [TS]

00:06:24   the United States but it's just more to [TS]

00:06:27   it than that if you're if you're really [TS]

00:06:28   are looking to cultivate a decades-long [TS]

00:06:30   career publishing is fundamental to it [TS]

00:06:32   and apparently apple had a notorious [TS]

00:06:34   reputation that it you know like a [TS]

00:06:36   conferences and stuff like that that AI [TS]

00:06:38   researchers [TS]

00:06:39   just it just wasn't a place that you go [TS]

00:06:41   because you know you can't publish yeah [TS]

00:06:44   and then was similar this year security [TS]

00:06:45   I mean for years Applewood just swallow [TS]

00:06:47   up people who are experts at algorithms [TS]

00:06:48   or you know some of some form of [TS]

00:06:50   advanced computing or product category [TS]

00:06:52   that they wanted to do and they would go [TS]

00:06:53   into a black hole and you never hear [TS]

00:06:54   about them again and this year they're [TS]

00:06:56   very slowly started letting Apple people [TS]

00:06:57   presentable prep present even Christic [TS]

00:06:59   presented at black hat this year for the [TS]

00:07:01   first time and I have these papers being [TS]

00:07:03   published and it is becoming table [TS]

00:07:04   stakes to acquiring and retaining the [TS]

00:07:06   best talent and if Apple can't or won't [TS]

00:07:08   offer that as an option of the companies [TS]

00:07:10   will so I think it's become a [TS]

00:07:11   competitive area that the after lent [TS]

00:07:13   yeah actually it wasn't the first time [TS]

00:07:15   Apple presented at black hat they [TS]

00:07:17   presented along behind ago and it was a [TS]

00:07:20   widely hand talk because it was so empty [TS]

00:07:25   it was sort of what you think like a [TS]

00:07:26   secretive company would give it's like [TS]

00:07:27   you know it it was sort of like an empty [TS]

00:07:32   presentation now years later maybe like [TS]

00:07:35   10 years later the presentation this [TS]

00:07:36   year was a lot of people because of the [TS]

00:07:39   last 1i I saw a lot of coverage over [TS]

00:07:41   from black hat attendees they like [TS]

00:07:42   rolled their eyes and they're like yeah [TS]

00:07:44   some and then it ended up being a very [TS]

00:07:46   very serious you know informative talk [TS]

00:07:50   yeah absolutely and again like that's [TS]

00:07:52   what you want for the top people in in [TS]

00:07:53   the respective fields especially if it [TS]

00:07:54   is something is new and exciting as AI [TS]

00:07:56   which a lot of people think is going to [TS]

00:07:57   be the next big chapters and computing [TS]

00:07:59   yes [TS]

00:08:02   so speaking of AI what in the news this [TS]

00:08:05   week was this announcement you referred [TS]

00:08:07   to that the wynn and encore in las vegas [TS]

00:08:10   nevada are going to equip all over their [TS]

00:08:13   rooms like about 4,800 rooms between the [TS]

00:08:16   two with a an Amazon echo when an encore [TS]

00:08:22   is sort of one big resort there's you [TS]

00:08:24   know you can go between the one and the [TS]

00:08:26   other without ever stepping outside [TS]

00:08:27   there's like a shopping mall between the [TS]

00:08:30   two so it's sort of really it's more [TS]

00:08:34   like one property it's just too [TS]

00:08:35   different towers and and slightly [TS]

00:08:37   different themes between the two [TS]

00:08:40   it's a lot 4800 is like a lot of rooms [TS]

00:08:43   [Music] [TS]

00:08:45   and i think it's interesting like my [TS]

00:08:46   take on it is that we you know there's a [TS]

00:08:49   lot of talk that a it's early days of [TS]

00:08:52   this voice driven AI stuff [TS]

00:08:53   nobody's too late to the game like the [TS]

00:08:55   fact that apple doesn't have a [TS]

00:08:57   standalone speaker type thing like the [TS]

00:09:02   Google home and the Amazon echo doesn't [TS]

00:09:05   mean that they're too late you know [TS]

00:09:08   because it's so early it's sort of like [TS]

00:09:09   how maybe you know with smartphones in [TS]

00:09:12   2004-2005 the fact that Apple didn't [TS]

00:09:15   have one was didn't mean they were too [TS]

00:09:17   late obviously in hindsight and that the [TS]

00:09:21   situation might be similar to that with [TS]

00:09:23   voice but you know 4800 5,000 of them in [TS]

00:09:27   a hotel here 5,000 a hotel there and all [TS]

00:09:29   of a sudden it's you know you can have a [TS]

00:09:31   pretty entrenched market leader because [TS]

00:09:34   it's also the sort of thing that like in [TS]

00:09:36   a a hotel room is not going to get [TS]

00:09:38   replaced every year or every two years I [TS]

00:09:40   like like a cell phone is yeah no [TS]

00:09:43   totally anything again it's one of those [TS]

00:09:44   things that really depends on your point [TS]

00:09:45   of view because some people will look at [TS]

00:09:46   the Amazon echo or now the google home [TS]

00:09:49   and say that Apple is super far behind [TS]

00:09:50   because they don't have a home hub where [TS]

00:09:53   with amazon if you have the Amazon echo [TS]

00:09:55   or the dot and you leave the house and [TS]

00:09:57   then realize something's wrong you can't [TS]

00:09:58   just yell and and change whatever is on [TS]

00:10:01   that device it were with Syria it's it's [TS]

00:10:04   super portable across a ride ray a wide [TS]

00:10:05   range of different devices and Google's [TS]

00:10:08   assistant it can be in the home that can [TS]

00:10:09   be on the phone it's in all of those [TS]

00:10:11   areas and again amazon echo only [TS]

00:10:13   functions in i think two languages now [TS]

00:10:15   in three countries compared to multiple [TS]

00:10:18   languages including Chinese and Hebrew [TS]

00:10:20   or something like Siri so you can look [TS]

00:10:22   at and say Amazon is super far behind [TS]

00:10:24   because they don't have multilingual [TS]

00:10:25   they don't have multi-device they don't [TS]

00:10:26   do not mobile and portable an assistant [TS]

00:10:28   that's not with you all the time it's [TS]

00:10:29   not a very good assistant at all so it [TS]

00:10:31   with all the stuff is very perspective [TS]

00:10:33   based but i think this is sort of the [TS]

00:10:34   exciting period where everything's being [TS]

00:10:35   figured out and the winner is a huge [TS]

00:10:37   huge win for amazon but again like we [TS]

00:10:41   for me it's like what is what is the [TS]

00:10:43   implication of all this is a dumb [TS]

00:10:44   terminal it's gonna just parts voice [TS]

00:10:45   commands and do a certain subset of [TS]

00:10:47   features or there was a storing the [TS]

00:10:49   information today about a court subpoena [TS]

00:10:50   amazon records in a murder trial and I'm [TS]

00:10:53   gonna have to worry about everything i [TS]

00:10:54   say in a hotel room from now on you have [TS]

00:10:56   I just was about to mention that [TS]

00:10:58   well and I got even wrote you know a [TS]

00:11:00   it's in any hotel room I think that a [TS]

00:11:04   reasonable it's reasonable for somebody [TS]

00:11:06   to to have privacy concerns about and [TS]

00:11:08   always listening electronic device [TS]

00:11:10   whether you're committing a crime or not [TS]

00:11:14   and in vegas in particular there might [TS]

00:11:17   be you know there might be more concerns [TS]

00:11:19   than in other cities [TS]

00:11:21   I don't think that's I don't think [TS]

00:11:23   that's unreasonable in the least bit so [TS]

00:11:25   I'm why I'm curious and a practical [TS]

00:11:27   level what the wynn and encore will do [TS]

00:11:30   if some guest is checking in and says I [TS]

00:11:33   don't want that [TS]

00:11:34   yeah one reminds me of that the citizens [TS]

00:11:36   for the domestic the the movie they [TS]

00:11:38   don't documentary about Edward Snowden [TS]

00:11:39   and all these all these companies have [TS]

00:11:41   technology like they say parse the voice [TS]

00:11:43   locally until you say the command phrase [TS]

00:11:45   and then they engage the network so it's [TS]

00:11:47   not as if everything you're saying [TS]

00:11:48   stream to amazon but we don't know if [TS]

00:11:50   that can change and we don't know if [TS]

00:11:51   someone can order that to be changed so [TS]

00:11:53   sorta like whenever someone sees that's [TS]

00:11:55   phone he starts taking it apart and the [TS]

00:11:57   reporter says but that phone's not on he [TS]

00:11:59   goes haha you know is if that's the most [TS]

00:12:01   naive question in the world right and [TS]

00:12:04   you have to deal with [TS]

00:12:04   yes i understand that amazon says where [TS]

00:12:06   the technology is built this way I don't [TS]

00:12:08   know who flipped a switch or force them [TS]

00:12:09   to flip a switch and I i can't [TS]

00:12:11   understand the state of this device [TS]

00:12:12   therefore my only option is to [TS]

00:12:14   disassemble it right and I you know a I [TS]

00:12:18   i have the echo downstairs and and by [TS]

00:12:21   default you know it's very very simply [TS]

00:12:23   just plug it in you can unplug if you [TS]

00:12:25   unplug it i'm pretty sure you're good [TS]

00:12:26   because there's no battery in it and [TS]

00:12:30   when you address it it with the the you [TS]

00:12:33   know whatever your catchphrase is I [TS]

00:12:35   think you have the choice with that with [TS]

00:12:36   the guy i use what i use alexa i think i [TS]

00:12:40   think you cannot forget what else you [TS]

00:12:41   can call it you can call it like echo or [TS]

00:12:43   something I don't know what I call it [TS]

00:12:45   Alexa and then when Alexis starts [TS]

00:12:49   listening there's a blue ring that [TS]

00:12:50   lights up so you know [TS]

00:12:52   ok now it's it's listening but it's [TS]

00:12:56   always listening because otherwise i [TS]

00:12:58   would hear alexa yeah they just they [TS]

00:13:01   claim that is locally listening only [TS]

00:13:03   until here's the phrase and then enables [TS]

00:13:04   never function but again in a postmodern [TS]

00:13:06   world [TS]

00:13:06   I don't want to make any of these [TS]

00:13:07   assumptions anymore right and [TS]

00:13:10   who is to say whether it a court order [TS]

00:13:13   could force them to secretly I mean [TS]

00:13:19   again it sounds like paranoid stuff like [TS]

00:13:20   if you told me I'd be talking about this [TS]

00:13:22   10 years ago to thought I was not but I [TS]

00:13:24   mean this stuff you know this stuff has [TS]

00:13:27   come to pass that these you know you get [TS]

00:13:29   these don't forget what they're called [TS]

00:13:30   the court order that in addition to [TS]

00:13:33   having to comply with it you're also not [TS]

00:13:35   allowed to talk about it or to inform I [TS]

00:13:37   got your customer their security letters [TS]

00:13:39   right national security letters like [TS]

00:13:41   who's to say that they can't come to [TS]

00:13:43   amazon and either force them to to make [TS]

00:13:46   it listen without having the blue light [TS]

00:13:47   light up or similar to the the the apple [TS]

00:13:53   case from earlier this year you know [TS]

00:13:55   like what if the FBI has or you know [TS]

00:13:58   whoever else law enforcement they have [TS]

00:14:00   their own team of hackers who have a [TS]

00:14:02   patch you know like you don't even after [TS]

00:14:05   1 i'm going to make you write it which [TS]

00:14:06   all we want we just want to force this [TS]

00:14:08   patch on to this guy's echo or in a [TS]

00:14:13   state or a hacker just goes into the [TS]

00:14:14   assembly line or sort of themselves into [TS]

00:14:16   the source code you know they just [TS]

00:14:17   hiding amongst the other programmers [TS]

00:14:19   it's right if you don't bring the device [TS]

00:14:20   into the room you conscious level can [TS]

00:14:22   never be a hundred percent about that [TS]

00:14:23   device right so it's yeah exactly [TS]

00:14:26   especially going to how to hotel removes [TS]

00:14:28   to say that the device hasn't been [TS]

00:14:30   riddled with by if somebody you know not [TS]

00:14:32   even even if you trust the win-win [TS]

00:14:33   corporation completely who's to say that [TS]

00:14:35   a previous guests hasn't been taught me [TS]

00:14:37   their jobs where if your devices are [TS]

00:14:39   ever out of your sight you just have to [TS]

00:14:40   walk away you can never pick them up or [TS]

00:14:41   touch them again and you know the [TS]

00:14:43   vaguest idea where they're going to have [TS]

00:14:45   guests like that I wonder how they're [TS]

00:14:46   gonna talk about the same level who's to [TS]

00:14:48   say that I mean if you're going to say [TS]

00:14:49   that there's the malfeasance who are [TS]

00:14:51   going to come in and act the echo in the [TS]

00:14:52   room who's to say that they didn't go in [TS]

00:14:54   and and plant the bug that just an old [TS]

00:14:56   fashion bug underneath the bed or [TS]

00:14:58   somewhere else for a housekeeping [TS]

00:14:59   absolutely spotted so I mean it's not [TS]

00:15:02   it's not like it's entirely new but why [TS]

00:15:04   would they did why would the wind to [TS]

00:15:05   this I've stated the win several times [TS]

00:15:07   where by several I mean many we stay [TS]

00:15:11   there every CS I if I went there for CES [TS]

00:15:14   i would definitely stay at the win [TS]

00:15:15   I would do if I ever go to see yes and [TS]

00:15:18   it's a perennial topic on the top and [TS]

00:15:20   I'm not going this year and this year it [TS]

00:15:21   was impossible for [TS]

00:15:22   for personal reasons here i've got i [TS]

00:15:24   cannot be away in early January but I [TS]

00:15:29   every year I say boy one of these years [TS]

00:15:31   I'd like to go to see yes just because [TS]

00:15:32   not because I think it'd be great I [TS]

00:15:33   think I i think for all the reasons that [TS]

00:15:35   people in the press complain about it [TS]

00:15:36   would be bad but i think it's something [TS]

00:15:39   to see [TS]

00:15:40   and I don't think it's gonna last [TS]

00:15:41   forever and so I kind of want to see it [TS]

00:15:43   while it is still a thing but anyway i [TS]

00:15:45   would state win for sure because it's my [TS]

00:15:47   it's my favorite place in vegas and B [TS]

00:15:49   it's reasonably walkable to yeah to both [TS]

00:15:55   the convention center which is a bit of [TS]

00:15:57   a hike from the win and it's right next [TS]

00:15:58   door to the sands convention center [TS]

00:16:02   which is next which is part of the [TS]

00:16:03   venetian where there's a whole bunch of [TS]

00:16:05   other stuff I you didn't fit so close to [TS]

00:16:08   the venetian that you'd be nuts to take [TS]

00:16:10   a cab [TS]

00:16:11   you did yeah absolutely you do you take [TS]

00:16:13   your 20 minutes longer than it would [TS]

00:16:14   take a walk so the annex more hotels [TS]

00:16:16   every year so one day I'll just be in [TS]

00:16:17   the in the wind [TS]

00:16:19   haha i doubt it i don't think the wind [TS]

00:16:21   would I think the wind would turn it [TS]

00:16:22   turn the business down now honestly I [TS]

00:16:24   know they don't want the riffraff [TS]

00:16:27   but anyway I've been there many times [TS]

00:16:28   and they actually recently i think [TS]

00:16:31   within the last year i think only the [TS]

00:16:32   last time i was there did they have the [TS]

00:16:34   new setup but they replaced [TS]

00:16:36   there should be a console next to one [TS]

00:16:37   side of the bed that would control the [TS]

00:16:40   drapes what they call the shears [TS]

00:16:42   so you like let light in but have you [TS]

00:16:45   know like sheer things that nobody could [TS]

00:16:46   see through the window and the various [TS]

00:16:49   lights in the room so you control the [TS]

00:16:51   lights to control the drapes in this [TS]

00:16:52   year's with this touch thing they [TS]

00:16:54   recently replaced them with a sort of [TS]

00:16:56   new one that still looks sort of a tease [TS]

00:16:59   ish it looks like really high-end [TS]

00:17:01   consumer electronics from the eighties I [TS]

00:17:05   can't help but think that maybe that's [TS]

00:17:06   part of how this is possible that they [TS]

00:17:07   got these new ones that are more at [TS]

00:17:11   least sort of computerized rather than [TS]

00:17:13   purely electronic so that Alexa you know [TS]

00:17:15   that they can write some kind of custom [TS]

00:17:17   app to to have it happen and you know [TS]

00:17:21   the wind is supposed to be you know the [TS]

00:17:22   nicest place in town i think it is the [TS]

00:17:24   nicest place a high-end hotel it's sort [TS]

00:17:26   of annoying if you think about it if [TS]

00:17:28   you're in bed with another person that [TS]

00:17:30   only one of you has those controls on [TS]

00:17:32   their side you know yeah give us our [TS]

00:17:34   spot right it's you know [TS]

00:17:36   like for us it's it's not like an [TS]

00:17:39   argument over you know we always with me [TS]

00:17:40   and Amy its I always sleep on the left [TS]

00:17:42   she on the right i mean this is I don't [TS]

00:17:44   know she's 20-something years and it's [TS]

00:17:46   that set in stone but like a lot of [TS]

00:17:50   hotels it's like when you stay there [TS]

00:17:51   it's like every other room is every [TS]

00:17:53   other side he and so it's like a fifty [TS]

00:17:56   percent chance who's got the the thing [TS]

00:17:58   so just being able to address Alexa and [TS]

00:18:01   say hey open the drapes is Debbie way [TS]

00:18:04   nicer than being there will be ten times [TS]

00:18:06   nicer and plus honestly the buttons [TS]

00:18:08   don't even work half the time you touch [TS]

00:18:09   them [TS]

00:18:10   yeah so I think it'd be great and with [TS]

00:18:13   the lights and stuff like that it every [TS]

00:18:14   time you go to any hotel I mean like I [TS]

00:18:16   stay at the wynn you know at least once [TS]

00:18:17   a year and I still get confused over [TS]

00:18:19   which lights control which which buttons [TS]

00:18:21   control which light so the credit mean I [TS]

00:18:24   was I made alexa very open platform and [TS]

00:18:25   it seems you know I'm not a developer [TS]

00:18:27   but it seems relatively easy to sort of [TS]

00:18:28   add these these automation these [TS]

00:18:30   customizations to it and they've got a [TS]

00:18:31   lot of your home recipes formulas or [TS]

00:18:34   what the nomenclature is but it sort of [TS]

00:18:36   add these control points to them for [TS]

00:18:37   different features and services [TS]

00:18:39   yeah but here's what's weird and i have [TS]

00:18:41   a friend hunter who has a a great app if [TS]

00:18:46   you ever go to vegas vegas mate just [TS]

00:18:48   it's just sort of like a and you know [TS]

00:18:52   like a tour guide type thing like and [TS]

00:18:55   you can just plug in a is news so you [TS]

00:18:57   can find out what's going on in vegas if [TS]

00:18:59   there's anything new going on so there's [TS]

00:19:01   lots of news and how to get between [TS]

00:19:03   places and stuff like that anyway it's a [TS]

00:19:05   great app go check it out if you're in [TS]

00:19:07   vegas vegas app Vegas mate he pointed [TS]

00:19:10   out immediately after i p3 daring [TS]

00:19:11   fireball eep eep quite you know pointed [TS]

00:19:14   out immediately the the wind [TS]

00:19:15   corporations biggest investments by far [TS]

00:19:18   are in vegas there and McHale they [TS]

00:19:20   actually have liked to two separate [TS]

00:19:25   resorts in Macau I don't really [TS]

00:19:26   understand the layout of mikkel quite [TS]

00:19:28   but there's like a waterway between the [TS]

00:19:31   two parts of town and there's resorts on [TS]

00:19:34   both sides and wind has one on each side [TS]

00:19:36   so it's way bigger its way its way the [TS]

00:19:40   casino revenues way bigger over there [TS]

00:19:42   they obviously aren't going to equip [TS]

00:19:45   those rooms with the election because [TS]

00:19:47   like you pointed out they don't speak [TS]

00:19:49   don't speak Chinese yet I ya know [TS]

00:19:51   cantonese in Portuguese meanderings they [TS]

00:19:53   don't even officially support locations [TS]

00:19:58   in English outside the united states [TS]

00:20:01   I mean you can get it to work and I know [TS]

00:20:02   people have complained of you know when [TS]

00:20:04   I pointed this out people in other [TS]

00:20:05   countries as well I have one just [TS]

00:20:07   cheating have ever but you can't do [TS]

00:20:10   things like at the weather because you [TS]

00:20:11   have to give it like a you zip code and [TS]

00:20:13   one of the country's they do support so [TS]

00:20:15   you know you can set it up and use it if [TS]

00:20:17   you live in taipei like Ben Thompson but [TS]

00:20:20   it you know give him the weather from [TS]

00:20:21   Madison Wisconsin yeah yeah and some [TS]

00:20:24   people say it's trivial for them to roll [TS]

00:20:25   out additional languages and dialects [TS]

00:20:27   you know baby but that's years and years [TS]

00:20:28   of work that Apple and Google put in the [TS]

00:20:30   Amazon was invested in something else in [TS]

00:20:31   the opportunity cost is huge so yeah [TS]

00:20:33   they anything could be trivial given [TS]

00:20:36   enough money and I'm a capable of [TS]

00:20:38   anything in AI being called trivial sure [TS]

00:20:40   you know ship it and let's see [TS]

00:20:42   absolutely no totally agreed and again [TS]

00:20:45   things like the multi-language what they [TS]

00:20:46   started doing on apple TV where you can [TS]

00:20:48   ask for a movie in French with the title [TS]

00:20:51   in English mean it just understanding [TS]

00:20:52   that problem set of windows one language [TS]

00:20:54   start when does one begin when does it [TS]

00:20:55   end again [TS]

00:20:56   what's the time you know what those are [TS]

00:20:57   all non trivial problems yeah i'm [TS]

00:21:00   curious to how they're going to do it [TS]

00:21:03   like presumably it they're not going to [TS]

00:21:05   have you would use your my own amazon ID [TS]

00:21:11   I don't think you would need it though [TS]

00:21:13   like there's no you know they'll just [TS]

00:21:15   pay some amazon some sort of group rate [TS]

00:21:19   massive group rate for access to Amazon [TS]

00:21:21   music so that you can tell you're LexA [TS]

00:21:22   to play music and you don't you know [TS]

00:21:24   it's not going to tell you to login or [TS]

00:21:26   whatever i'm just curious that existed [TS]

00:21:30   seems you know because it is prepared [TS]

00:21:32   sold as a personal device i'm curious [TS]

00:21:34   how it will work as sort of an [TS]

00:21:36   institutional device was one of things i [TS]

00:21:38   heard about a potential Apple home hub [TS]

00:21:40   is that one of the things that needed to [TS]

00:21:41   be solved for was a multi personal [TS]

00:21:42   theory because if the say for example [TS]

00:21:44   you have one at home and you say what's [TS]

00:21:46   my one of my messages to play your [TS]

00:21:47   messages [TS]

00:21:48   Amy's messages Jonas is medicated [TS]

00:21:49   solving those problems are also [TS]

00:21:51   non-trivial that way if you want to have [TS]

00:21:53   the deep level of integration and the [TS]

00:21:54   full range of services that something [TS]

00:21:55   like Siri offers so you know you can do [TS]

00:21:58   rudimentary account switching like they [TS]

00:22:00   do an apple TV right now but that's [TS]

00:22:01   that's not a full feet [TS]

00:22:02   your product and make it making a multi [TS]

00:22:04   personal Siri is I think he do what they [TS]

00:22:07   want to do in the living room is playing [TS]

00:22:08   why it's taking a little bit long but [TS]

00:22:10   it's also interesting because when you [TS]

00:22:11   look at Amazon's businesses like you [TS]

00:22:12   said in Macau it's not clear to me that [TS]

00:22:14   amazon has not much of a roadmap in [TS]

00:22:17   China they have established internet [TS]

00:22:18   companies and retailers in China to [TS]

00:22:20   begin with where you know maybe apple or [TS]

00:22:22   maybe google have a better story to tell [TS]

00:22:24   their and if you don't have something [TS]

00:22:25   that can truly scale internationally at [TS]

00:22:27   this can go with you when you travel [TS]

00:22:28   like I'm I'm in London right now and I [TS]

00:22:30   need my assistant and where is it or I'm [TS]

00:22:32   in Germany today or I'm you know I'm in [TS]

00:22:34   Spain i'm in northern Africa all those [TS]

00:22:37   things are are necessary until they are [TS]

00:22:39   and I think that's why it's it was a [TS]

00:22:42   better decision to sort of scale a [TS]

00:22:43   little bit internationally before i [TS]

00:22:45   started going deeper in terms of api's [TS]

00:22:47   and things like that [TS]

00:22:48   yeah yeah so I'm curious we know where [TS]

00:22:51   it's going to go but clearly the end [TS]

00:22:53   solution it needs to be I mean where we [TS]

00:22:56   are in some ways early so early days I [TS]

00:22:59   don't care what anybody says because [TS]

00:23:00   clearly where this is going to go and [TS]

00:23:03   somebody will get there it's it's [TS]

00:23:05   inevitable and I think you know it'll be [TS]

00:23:07   sooner than later is truly a personal [TS]

00:23:13   assistant quality conversation where you [TS]

00:23:16   never have any question that the [TS]

00:23:18   sequential and Front in France is going [TS]

00:23:20   to work and that things that you think [TS]

00:23:22   everything you think that your assistant [TS]

00:23:25   could do for you [TS]

00:23:27   they definitely can do so if you say get [TS]

00:23:31   us a reservation at the palm at nine [TS]

00:23:35   o'clock tomorrow night it's going to [TS]

00:23:37   know that you mean the palm in Vegas you [TS]

00:23:40   know i'm saying if you're in a hotel in [TS]

00:23:41   Vegas it you know it knows that it's not [TS]

00:23:44   going to ask you what city it and it's [TS]

00:23:48   going to make the res either make the [TS]

00:23:50   reservation or tell you that you can't [TS]

00:23:52   because there's no you know no times [TS]

00:23:54   available you can have 93 with 930 work [TS]

00:23:57   for you [TS]

00:23:58   yes that's fine and then you get the 930 [TS]

00:24:00   risk everything you think you know [TS]

00:24:01   anything you could communicate with the [TS]

00:24:03   human you should be able to do with [TS]

00:24:06   these and in the same way that if you [TS]

00:24:09   and I were working in a shared office [TS]

00:24:10   together that I could say what are my [TS]

00:24:13   messages and you could say what are my [TS]

00:24:15   messages [TS]

00:24:16   and that it's gonna know who we are you [TS]

00:24:19   know it's going to be able to tell the [TS]

00:24:20   in the same way that a human is never [TS]

00:24:22   going to be confused over my voice in [TS]

00:24:24   your voice [TS]

00:24:25   neither is is that the personal [TS]

00:24:27   assistant [TS]

00:24:28   yes once before but I knew what has an [TS]

00:24:30   office in montreal and went there for [TS]

00:24:31   one of their demos and they were showing [TS]

00:24:32   technology like that is super it was [TS]

00:24:34   about two years ago super primitive [TS]

00:24:35   basically snapped your fingers twice and [TS]

00:24:37   three cameras & 3 beamforming [TS]

00:24:39   microphones locked in on you and they [TS]

00:24:40   would isolate you from the room as he [TS]

00:24:42   walked about saying things and that's [TS]

00:24:44   obviously a consumer product yet right [TS]

00:24:45   was one of the party and also driving [TS]

00:24:47   between cities when there's no internet [TS]

00:24:48   connection right now as you saw people [TS]

00:24:50   comment about the airport if you lose [TS]

00:24:51   internet connection the functionality of [TS]

00:24:53   a lot of these virtual assistants goes [TS]

00:24:55   away because they're still incredibly [TS]

00:24:56   server-based there's all these problems [TS]

00:24:58   that they're solving for and it could be [TS]

00:24:59   like that movie her versatility Hansen [TS]

00:25:02   is in your ear pods right i don't know [TS]

00:25:03   if you saw it or not but there is that [TS]

00:25:04   video that I still don't know if it's a [TS]

00:25:06   real product or not but it was that [TS]

00:25:08   Japanese Zuma hikari virtual assistant [TS]

00:25:11   where was like a little animated person [TS]

00:25:13   in a in a display case that was in your [TS]

00:25:16   house talking to you as your friend so [TS]

00:25:18   you were not lonely and would follow you [TS]

00:25:20   to your phone into your computer [TS]

00:25:21   throughout your day and then get your go [TS]

00:25:23   get your house ready for you when you [TS]

00:25:24   came back at night it's cause I creepy [TS]

00:25:27   but it's sort of stuff people are [TS]

00:25:28   working on i just realized i think i'd [TS]

00:25:32   like two or three episodes of the show [TS]

00:25:33   and I've I keep passing this forward and [TS]

00:25:36   my show notes from one show to another [TS]

00:25:37   follow-up on Mario run by forget what it [TS]

00:25:40   was to show those two shows ago where we [TS]

00:25:43   were saying that you if you don't log [TS]

00:25:45   into a nintendo account you have to pay [TS]

00:25:48   again to get it and that's not true it [TS]

00:25:49   ends up you know you you you can just [TS]

00:25:52   restore the purchase on the same ID you [TS]

00:25:54   don't have to have a nintendo account [TS]

00:25:56   you can put it on your iPad and your [TS]

00:25:57   phone but one of the things that they do [TS]

00:26:00   do is you can only run one at a time / [TS]

00:26:05   Apple ID so if you buy it on your iPad [TS]

00:26:08   and you buy and you it and then you [TS]

00:26:10   install it on your iphone it and [TS]

00:26:12   somebody's playing it on your iPad you [TS]

00:26:14   can't play it on your iphone that's one [TS]

00:26:16   that's part of the reason that they [TS]

00:26:17   require always-on internet at checking [TS]

00:26:19   our access is that they're checking for [TS]

00:26:21   things like that [TS]

00:26:22   yeah i think in their perfect world [TS]

00:26:24   you'd have to pay for every instance [TS]

00:26:25   that you run the talk show the show [TS]

00:26:28   where we do follow-up [TS]

00:26:29   halfway into the show yep yeah you know [TS]

00:26:33   what else is all about Mario run before [TS]

00:26:35   we break for the first time is that it [TS]

00:26:37   is falling off the top-selling falling [TS]

00:26:43   down the top the top-grossing list [TS]

00:26:45   around the world still on it but it's [TS]

00:26:48   now back [TS]

00:26:50   things have been order has been restored [TS]

00:26:51   and clash royale or whatever the hell it [TS]

00:26:54   is here back to being the top grossing [TS]

00:26:56   app yes clock clash Royale pokemon go [TS]

00:27:00   clash of clans mobile strike game of war [TS]

00:27:04   madden NFL and then at number seven here [TS]

00:27:07   in aus at least Super Mario run that go [TS]

00:27:10   inside purchase and compete with [TS]

00:27:11   consumables consumables the people are [TS]

00:27:13   buying all the time right that in these [TS]

00:27:15   games that people are truly addicted to [TS]

00:27:17   candy crush all the way down number ten [TS]

00:27:21   i saw someone playing that on and I I [TS]

00:27:23   12.9 inch iPad pro my last plane trip [TS]

00:27:25   respect i love the thing I love is that [TS]

00:27:28   minecraft is still at number 11 on top [TS]

00:27:31   grossing and it's still--it's you firmly [TS]

00:27:35   entrenched number one on top paid and [TS]

00:27:37   that's coming out Stevie it's seven [TS]

00:27:39   bucks you just pay seven bucks up front [TS]

00:27:43   there is no demo you pay seven bucks you [TS]

00:27:44   get minecraft on your iOS device and [TS]

00:27:47   they're doing so it's the only the only [TS]

00:27:48   map making money with that the [TS]

00:27:51   old-fashioned pay for the app model I [TS]

00:27:54   mean effectively that's what Mario is [TS]

00:27:56   but it's you know no I think in [TS]

00:27:59   hindsight they would have been better [TS]

00:28:00   with a minecraft model it just because [TS]

00:28:01   their brand is as good as mine craft [TS]

00:28:03   people know what minecraft is and they [TS]

00:28:04   want it and again the apple TV version [TS]

00:28:05   just came out and people wanted that too [TS]

00:28:07   and they would have just wanted Mary are [TS]

00:28:09   Mario what if you had to pay right i [TS]

00:28:12   would love to run that alternate [TS]

00:28:13   universe where all right so let's take [TS]

00:28:15   the price down right if you have to pay [TS]

00:28:17   so instead of nine night you know play [TS]

00:28:19   three levels and then pay 99 [TS]

00:28:21   what if they just matched minecraft [TS]

00:28:23   price and sold Mario run for 699 yeah [TS]

00:28:28   it'll get you get in if you if you don't [TS]

00:28:31   pay 699 you get nothing and like it [TS]

00:28:33   yep and you can't leave bad reviews [TS]

00:28:35   about how she write charged and and it [TS]

00:28:37   no bad dreams about yep and if anybody [TS]

00:28:39   could have pulled it off [TS]

00:28:41   it's a nintendo I I can't help but think [TS]

00:28:43   they have made more money I really do [TS]

00:28:45   yeah i think that one of the few people [TS]

00:28:46   like Minecraft you would absolutely have [TS]

00:28:48   the just a recognition to do it right i [TS]

00:28:51   mean when you get the good faith you can [TS]

00:28:52   do it with your next game and so on [TS]

00:28:54   right or maybe split I do and I salute [TS]

00:28:58   them and I don't want to complain I [TS]

00:29:00   salute them for not even going near the [TS]

00:29:03   radioactive pile of dog shit that you [TS]

00:29:05   know buying paying a dollar here and [TS]

00:29:07   there for extra coins and you have to [TS]

00:29:09   watch a video before you can do the next [TS]

00:29:11   level or pay your way out that these [TS]

00:29:14   other games do i salute Nintendo for not [TS]

00:29:17   doing i'm not surprised i think that [TS]

00:29:18   would be poisonous absolute poison to [TS]

00:29:21   their brand but it's obviously that's [TS]

00:29:23   the path to make money you know the most [TS]

00:29:26   money on the app store I salute them for [TS]

00:29:28   not doing it but I can't help but think [TS]

00:29:30   that they could have made money with [TS]

00:29:31   paid upfront for less than 999 and maybe [TS]

00:29:34   one other in-app purchase in the you [TS]

00:29:36   know some way to something else that was [TS]

00:29:38   cut off that you'd have to pay another [TS]

00:29:39   you know maybe five dollars for the game [TS]

00:29:41   in five four the rest something like [TS]

00:29:43   that yeah [TS]

00:29:44   were you one of the different games that [TS]

00:29:45   comes built into it like the toad rally [TS]

00:29:46   or so right like maybe you get to play [TS]

00:29:48   599 you get to play all the regular [TS]

00:29:50   levels and for another 5 99 you get to [TS]

00:29:54   play the toad rally and they will give [TS]

00:29:56   you a taste of Toad rally like they did [TS]

00:29:58   with the taste of the levels like you [TS]

00:29:59   get like three toed rallies before you [TS]

00:30:01   have to pay another 5 99 and then you're [TS]

00:30:04   a native 499 and then you're done you're [TS]

00:30:06   inferred you know not ten bucks and you [TS]

00:30:10   got the whole game [TS]

00:30:10   I think they have made more money and I [TS]

00:30:13   think we're getting a better experience [TS]

00:30:14   they wouldn't have the same problem we [TS]

00:30:15   had with bad reviews and it would have [TS]

00:30:17   wouldn't I mean way better than I think [TS]

00:30:19   the review i'm gonna be a five star game [TS]

00:30:21   i really do I great because people who [TS]

00:30:23   would buy pay that much money are the [TS]

00:30:24   super fans and they would have a much [TS]

00:30:26   easier bowls in the beginning it's the [TS]

00:30:28   first action game for iOS that I've [TS]

00:30:30   played ever i think that I've stuck with [TS]

00:30:34   imap like canabalt a little bit how sisk [TS]

00:30:37   catalog that cannonball is like 90 [TS]

00:30:39   seconds and yeah I mean I best i ever [TS]

00:30:40   did was like 4,000 meters or something [TS]

00:30:42   like that so it's like you know and then [TS]

00:30:44   once you get a good run like that you're [TS]

00:30:45   like done [TS]

00:30:46   yeah i mean there are games always say [TS]

00:30:48   don't play games and write a play that I [TS]

00:30:50   played the stickman golf a little bit i [TS]

00:30:52   played the data like the desert golf [TS]

00:30:54   which is sort of you play that [TS]

00:30:56   yep I like the desert golfing i think [TS]

00:31:00   it's i think it's sort of a it its [TS]

00:31:04   artful it's it's sort of like meditative [TS]

00:31:07   I letterpress in threes and a bunch of [TS]

00:31:09   those puzzle game yeah letterpress yeah [TS]

00:31:11   three segments into a little bit was [TS]

00:31:13   real quick i appreciate the artistry of [TS]

00:31:15   letterpress I had a brief obsession with [TS]

00:31:17   and I was yes I hate to brag but I was [TS]

00:31:18   really really good but it's it's too [TS]

00:31:24   competitive [TS]

00:31:25   I don't know r22 time-consuming and I [TS]

00:31:27   feel guilty then when I because it's [TS]

00:31:29   with other people I feel guilty when i [TS]

00:31:31   drop off and leave it a good game [TS]

00:31:33   hanging and I was too time-consuming to [TS]

00:31:37   me so he never do in Game Center just [TS]

00:31:39   did it to you you can tell they were [TS]

00:31:41   playing a game center was right right [TS]

00:31:44   ah but Mario boy i like that game and [TS]

00:31:49   I've started replaying it I idly or not [TS]

00:31:51   attended does best damn it [TS]

00:31:53   and so I beat all the levels and now i'm [TS]

00:31:56   going through and collecting all the [TS]

00:31:58   pink coins on each level i don't think [TS]

00:32:00   i'm going to keep going I don't do that [TS]

00:32:01   but I can't see going after the damn [TS]

00:32:03   purple ones I don't know about that i'm [TS]

00:32:06   not good enough [TS]

00:32:07   they just do a really good job of [TS]

00:32:08   matching the game to the control [TS]

00:32:09   mechanics that are available on the [TS]

00:32:10   device and that with the iphone as well [TS]

00:32:12   which i thought was really great [TS]

00:32:13   yeah totally I it's a very very you know [TS]

00:32:16   you think infinite runner add simple but [TS]

00:32:19   they've it's it's pretty damn good [TS]

00:32:21   I do think they messed up with the the [TS]

00:32:24   pricing [TS]

00:32:25   alright let's take a break all right our [TS]

00:32:27   first sponsor get ready for it [TS]

00:32:30   very exciting for sponsor Casper Casper [TS]

00:32:35   the company make obsessively engineered [TS]

00:32:37   mattresses that shockingly fair prices [TS]

00:32:39   go to Casper calm / at the talk show and [TS]

00:32:42   use code the talkshow to save 50 bucks [TS]

00:32:45   towards your mattress but there's an [TS]

00:32:47   asterisk let me tell you asked I'll tell [TS]

00:32:49   you what that means it's a footnote that [TS]

00:32:50   i'll tell you at the very end of this [TS]

00:32:51   Casper has created one perfect mattress [TS]

00:32:54   you have to decide between different [TS]

00:32:57   types of mattresses what you want [TS]

00:32:58   springs are you want memory foam or you [TS]

00:33:00   want the latex foam or something like [TS]

00:33:02   that [TS]

00:33:03   now you know what that they've got one [TS]

00:33:05   type of mattress it is it is a blend [TS]

00:33:07   that their engineers spent thousands of [TS]

00:33:09   hours developing it [TS]

00:33:10   it combines spring latex and supportive [TS]

00:33:13   memory phones for a sleep service with [TS]

00:33:15   just the right sink just the right [TS]

00:33:16   balance exactly like the reason i like [TS]

00:33:19   buying apple products you don't have to [TS]

00:33:21   decide between 20 different types of [TS]

00:33:23   phone or something like that they just [TS]

00:33:26   did they give you one they figure out [TS]

00:33:28   this is the hair [TS]

00:33:29   there's two sizes here's one type of [TS]

00:33:30   phone two sizes you're done [TS]

00:33:33   that's what mattress that's what the [TS]

00:33:34   mattresses from Casper like one quality [TS]

00:33:37   style of mattress you just pick how big [TS]

00:33:39   your bed is and you go and because they [TS]

00:33:42   don't have stores they don't have [TS]

00:33:44   middleman they don't have warehouses [TS]

00:33:46   around the world and stuff like that [TS]

00:33:48   they can sell them direct you at a [TS]

00:33:52   shockingly fair price this is such a [TS]

00:33:54   better way to buy a mattress premium [TS]

00:33:57   mattresses usually start at over $1,500 [TS]

00:34:00   casper mattresses cost 500 for twin 754 [TS]

00:34:03   full 854 queen and just nine hundred [TS]

00:34:06   fifty bucks for a king [TS]

00:34:07   you cannot buy a king-size mattress for [TS]

00:34:10   950 dollars that's a good mattress [TS]

00:34:12   anywhere else you just can't can't be [TS]

00:34:14   done and they're made right here in [TS]

00:34:16   America I they've also made by [TS]

00:34:19   mattresses online easy and completely [TS]

00:34:23   risk-free no you can't try it before you [TS]

00:34:25   buy it because you're buying online but [TS]

00:34:27   they have a hundred knight home trial [TS]

00:34:29   get it keep it for three months and if [TS]

00:34:32   you don't like it they will come and [TS]

00:34:34   pick it up at your house and give you a [TS]

00:34:35   full refund no questions [TS]

00:34:39   they also have a new pet mattress you [TS]

00:34:42   have a dog and I have that more reader [TS]

00:34:45   comments or listener comments whatever [TS]

00:34:47   you want to call you people listening to [TS]

00:34:48   me from people who bought this thing for [TS]

00:34:50   their dog that their dog loves it [TS]

00:34:53   now here's the here's the deal use that [TS]

00:34:55   code to talk show you say fifty bucks [TS]

00:34:56   towards a mattress here's the bad news [TS]

00:34:58   it only applies to human mattresses you [TS]

00:35:00   the dog mattress cost less and so they [TS]

00:35:02   they don't give you fifty bucks off for [TS]

00:35:04   it [TS]

00:35:04   I'm sorry about that but it's active a [TS]

00:35:07   dog mattress and Antonia I got more [TS]

00:35:09   comments from people who bought that [TS]

00:35:10   than anything else so go to Casper calm [TS]

00:35:13   / the talkshow use that code [TS]

00:35:16   if you need a mattress I'm telling you [TS]

00:35:17   that's where to go [TS]

00:35:20   I never thought I'd be selling [TS]

00:35:22   mattresses I really didn't one of my [TS]

00:35:25   favorite sponsors just make stuff just [TS]

00:35:27   it's the Casper as a father raising it [TS]

00:35:30   just makes me better just digest if you [TS]

00:35:32   went back and told me to 15 years ago [TS]

00:35:34   that you're going to be pitching [TS]

00:35:35   mattresses on like a radio show i would [TS]

00:35:37   I wouldn't believe that I just don't I [TS]

00:35:40   didn't I didn't see it I wouldn't have [TS]

00:35:42   seen the path from where I was to to [TS]

00:35:44   where i am at this moment and where the [TS]

00:35:47   blackboard using one for like three [TS]

00:35:48   years and i still love it [TS]

00:35:49   yeah it's a great mattress mattress and [TS]

00:35:51   tell you it's not just being lazy you [TS]

00:35:53   know if I think if anybody out there [TS]

00:35:55   thanks dad for lazy people don't want to [TS]

00:35:56   go to mattress store now it's a better [TS]

00:35:58   way to pick a great mattress [TS]

00:36:00   yeah and what you tell me i'm going to [TS]

00:36:05   say good matches are really hard to find [TS]

00:36:06   because we know after you've had a bunch [TS]

00:36:08   of physical physiotherapy like I have [TS]

00:36:09   you want something that is actually [TS]

00:36:11   pretty firm because then when you relax [TS]

00:36:12   it takes on your body weight and your [TS]

00:36:14   body your muscles don't have to stress [TS]

00:36:16   the entire night trying to support your [TS]

00:36:17   own weight and this one I find is great [TS]

00:36:19   because like I get a better night's [TS]

00:36:21   sleep that I have on any other [TS]

00:36:22   additional options i bought all right [TS]

00:36:27   what else is on our agenda i have in the [TS]

00:36:32   news there is Mark Germans blockbuster [TS]

00:36:35   story i wasn't really but it was widely [TS]

00:36:38   cited last week and Bloomberg title how [TS]

00:36:41   Apple alienated Mac loyalists and had [TS]

00:36:43   did have some you know as well reported [TS]

00:36:45   definitely had some quotes anonymous [TS]

00:36:49   how would you summarize this story [TS]

00:36:52   this was this is the big story of the [TS]

00:36:54   day when it came out on december twenty [TS]

00:36:55   i mean mark has you've proven phenomenal [TS]

00:36:59   sources but so much of this is how you [TS]

00:37:01   string the pieces together and you know [TS]

00:37:04   i would i would read similar information [TS]

00:37:06   differently so this sort of paints a [TS]

00:37:10   narrative where Apple is negligent or [TS]

00:37:12   lackadaisical when it comes to [TS]

00:37:14   supporting the mac and my understanding [TS]

00:37:17   is more that you know what you have two [TS]

00:37:20   kids you love them both one has become [TS]

00:37:21   taylor swift and you have to make sure [TS]

00:37:23   that you're on tour with her and the [TS]

00:37:25   other one is a college student in grad [TS]

00:37:27   school doing pretty great on his own [TS]

00:37:29   don't really want [TS]

00:37:29   hanging around all the time and you [TS]

00:37:31   again you still love him but you're [TS]

00:37:32   giving you the attention that they [TS]

00:37:33   really need at the moment and i think [TS]

00:37:35   there's an article from the same facts [TS]

00:37:37   quote from the article interviews with [TS]

00:37:38   people familiar with apples inner [TS]

00:37:40   workings revealed that the mac is [TS]

00:37:41   getting far less attention than it once [TS]

00:37:43   did once did they say the mac team has [TS]

00:37:46   lost cloud with the famed industrial [TS]

00:37:47   design group led by jony ive in the [TS]

00:37:49   companies and the company's software [TS]

00:37:50   team they also describe a lack of clear [TS]

00:37:53   direction from senior management [TS]

00:37:54   departures of key people working on Mac [TS]

00:37:56   hardware and technical challenges that [TS]

00:37:59   have delayed the rollout of new [TS]

00:38:01   computers [TS]

00:38:02   there's a lot in that paragraph this is [TS]

00:38:04   a fourth paragraph of the story but I [TS]

00:38:06   feel like that's the nut paragraph and [TS]

00:38:09   if you pick it apart i haven't linked to [TS]

00:38:12   it because it seemed it's been Christmas [TS]

00:38:15   and I've been busy and it seemed [TS]

00:38:18   impossible to link to without extensive [TS]

00:38:21   commentary like one packet right there's [TS]

00:38:24   no way to link to it with the clip or [TS]

00:38:26   the let it stand but it's a bit you know [TS]

00:38:28   and I thought well it's better to do I [TS]

00:38:29   could do it on it on the show in a way [TS]

00:38:31   that's better you know that will take [TS]

00:38:33   less time then writing about still might [TS]

00:38:35   write about it but alright first [TS]

00:38:38   sentence of that paragraph interviews [TS]

00:38:40   with people familiar with apples and [TS]

00:38:41   workings revealed that the mac is [TS]

00:38:42   getting far less attention than it once [TS]

00:38:44   did [TS]

00:38:45   when is then it once did yeah I mean I [TS]

00:38:48   used to be one product there was just [TS]

00:38:49   the magnet got all the attention and now [TS]

00:38:51   that it was six different products so it [TS]

00:38:53   if if we're talking about like pre ipod [TS]

00:38:55   apple or like pre 2004-2005 Apple of [TS]

00:39:00   course the mac up more attention than [TS]

00:39:01   because it was keeping the company [TS]

00:39:02   afloat the mac was apple an apple was [TS]

00:39:04   the mac i mean it was there was you know [TS]

00:39:07   without the mac the company was [TS]

00:39:08   literally there wasn't there was no [TS]

00:39:10   company so of course it gets less [TS]

00:39:12   attention than it does that then now it [TS]

00:39:15   does he mean some other time is it is [TS]

00:39:17   later the last year rite 2011 2012 [TS]

00:39:22   is this a and you know it lets just [TS]

00:39:26   state facts these are there are the fact [TS]

00:39:30   is the mac pro is literally a relic at [TS]

00:39:34   this point is a three-year-old high-end [TS]

00:39:37   5,000 twenty-thousand-dollar workstation [TS]

00:39:40   that literally hasn't been updated even [TS]

00:39:43   minor the most minor components possible [TS]

00:39:45   in three years since i got a Mac Mini is [TS]

00:39:47   is a relic and for enthusiastic and the [TS]

00:39:51   mac mini is one of these devices a [TS]

00:39:53   device where you know obviously there's [TS]

00:39:55   some people who buy it because it's a [TS]

00:39:56   budget lap desktop and if you wanted by [TS]

00:39:59   a third-party display or at this point [TS]

00:40:02   you might be stuck by having a [TS]

00:40:03   third-party display will get to that in [TS]

00:40:05   a second or a discount display or if [TS]

00:40:07   you've already got a display and that's [TS]

00:40:09   putting a part of you know you didn't [TS]

00:40:11   want to buy a desktop to hook up to [TS]

00:40:12   display you already have in your cost is [TS]

00:40:14   an issue mac mini is the way you go [TS]

00:40:17   it's still find device for that but for [TS]

00:40:19   the enthusiast and there are people who [TS]

00:40:20   are you know like like you know the [TS]

00:40:23   power users if you want another term who [TS]

00:40:24   buy mac minis maybe not to use their [TS]

00:40:26   main computer but for really super nerdy [TS]

00:40:30   things you know like instead of having [TS]

00:40:31   an apple TV they use a mac mini and [TS]

00:40:33   install their own software and run their [TS]

00:40:36   home entertainment from a pc and mac [TS]

00:40:39   mini is is great for that a longtime [TS]

00:40:41   sponsor the show mac mini colo there's [TS]

00:40:43   people who use mac minis to to host [TS]

00:40:45   websites [TS]

00:40:46   it's a great little like mini rack [TS]

00:40:48   server and for those people the current [TS]

00:40:51   mac mini is actually worse than the [TS]

00:40:53   predecessor because it's I think it's a [TS]

00:40:56   dual core thing instead of a quad-core [TS]

00:40:57   let's do whatever it is it's just got [TS]

00:40:59   low you know internals that are less [TS]

00:41:01   interesting to enthusiasts than the old [TS]

00:41:03   one the iMac which is their best desktop [TS]

00:41:07   and it's the one at tim cook even called [TS]

00:41:09   out mentioned by name in a recent [TS]

00:41:11   company Q&A [TS]

00:41:14   skipped a year it still is great it's a [TS]

00:41:16   great the current imac is a great great [TS]

00:41:18   device but there were no updates in 2016 [TS]

00:41:23   nope and apple is apparently out of the [TS]

00:41:27   standalone display game they haven't [TS]

00:41:29   said so officially but they certainly [TS]

00:41:32   hinted as much on stage at the mac book [TS]

00:41:35   pro event in october when they said they [TS]

00:41:38   partnered with LG to have these LG 5k in [TS]

00:41:40   4k displays that are clearly meant you [TS]

00:41:44   know by default assume that they're [TS]

00:41:46   being connected to a Macintosh yeah my [TS]

00:41:48   understanding is they're significant [TS]

00:41:49   Apple engineering resources and effort [TS]

00:41:51   dedicated to those displays they just [TS]

00:41:53   didn't have an apple enclosure and logo [TS]

00:41:54   on the right is a notorious choice you [TS]

00:41:56   know and everybody sites knee like [TS]

00:41:58   Disney lies says it italic from the [TS]

00:42:00   verge after his product briefing after [TS]

00:42:03   the event said categorically when he [TS]

00:42:04   asked that Apple said they're out of the [TS]

00:42:05   display game i asked in my kids you know [TS]

00:42:08   as well as the LG mean that Apple is not [TS]

00:42:11   going to make a retina standalone [TS]

00:42:13   display and I did not get an answer that [TS]

00:42:15   was unequivocal I it the answer I got [TS]

00:42:20   was something more or less it's a big [TS]

00:42:22   very typical app oftentimes when you ask [TS]

00:42:25   a question like that i don't think i was [TS]

00:42:27   unique in this regard but they did you [TS]

00:42:30   always have a prepared answer it doesn't [TS]

00:42:33   they don't have to think of it on the [TS]

00:42:35   spot but it's not yes or now but with [TS]

00:42:37   the answer i got of does this mean [TS]

00:42:39   there's not going to be an apple-branded [TS]

00:42:40   retina display stand alone display the [TS]

00:42:42   answer was this is what we have to talk [TS]

00:42:44   about today standalone displays today [TS]

00:42:49   require so much engineer it's no longer [TS]

00:42:53   just a video signal going from one thing [TS]

00:42:56   to another it's not just you know it's [TS]

00:42:58   effectively they're like many computers [TS]

00:42:59   it's almost as much work as developing a [TS]

00:43:02   standalone system which apples again [TS]

00:43:04   which Apple did most a lot of with LG [TS]

00:43:07   and my understanding is that this is one [TS]

00:43:08   of those things where they're deeply [TS]

00:43:10   conflicted internally that they're [TS]

00:43:11   wrestling over this and some people [TS]

00:43:12   believe that Apple does not have to make [TS]

00:43:14   everything anymore that they have to be [TS]

00:43:15   focused and make hard choices and choose [TS]

00:43:17   which parts of the chain they want to be [TS]

00:43:19   involved with and other people believe [TS]

00:43:20   rightly well at least in their opinions [TS]

00:43:22   that be the display is your interface [TS]

00:43:25   with the computer the interface is what [TS]

00:43:26   the customer sees [TS]

00:43:27   there's no apple logo on that then the [TS]

00:43:29   customer sees LG and sort of ruins the [TS]

00:43:31   effect and it ruins the benefit of the [TS]

00:43:32   halo effect that Apple has been enjoying [TS]

00:43:34   for all these years and if they're [TS]

00:43:35   starting an LG logo for their display [TS]

00:43:37   maybe it's easier to buy an LG computer [TS]

00:43:39   or is easier to buy you know that maybe [TS]

00:43:41   they're getting out of the router [TS]

00:43:42   business easier by analogy router and [TS]

00:43:43   that sort of unravels the value of the [TS]

00:43:45   apple ecosystem they've been building [TS]

00:43:47   yeah and it's you know I I can't put it [TS]

00:43:52   better than syracuse it has repeatedly [TS]

00:43:54   on ATP that it's you know he's even said [TS]

00:43:56   that he's never even owned a non-apple [TS]

00:43:59   display in his life [TS]

00:44:01   I that's not true for me I used to have [TS]

00:44:03   a viewsonic 17-inch i bought in 1998 was [TS]

00:44:11   a nice display was not as nice as the [TS]

00:44:12   Apple displays i bought it because I [TS]

00:44:15   didn't have enough money well I did the [TS]

00:44:17   money is enough difference that I died [TS]

00:44:19   but the viewsonic instead it does hint [TS]

00:44:25   at the idea that maybe the future of [TS]

00:44:29   apple on the desktop is imac only or [TS]

00:44:32   maybe I mac and mac mini but that the [TS]

00:44:33   mac pro might be on the way out simply [TS]

00:44:35   be a Templar statement to me was hard to [TS]

00:44:36   part because he talked about how great [TS]

00:44:38   the imac was and how greatest display [TS]

00:44:39   was in its p 3 b's there's nothing you [TS]

00:44:42   could have said about the mac pro or the [TS]

00:44:44   mac mini their 13-year old their [TS]

00:44:46   three-year-old computers with Haswell I [TS]

00:44:48   mean it would've been completely awkward [TS]

00:44:50   to mention them in any context and the [TS]

00:44:52   worst part is the last iteration of both [TS]

00:44:54   made them even more like computing [TS]

00:44:55   appliances and an even harder for users [TS]

00:44:58   stopped it on their own which made them [TS]

00:44:59   dependent on apple for future updates [TS]

00:45:01   then didn't income that's incredibly [TS]

00:45:03   uncomfortable message to have in his [TS]

00:45:05   year-end Q&A with his employees right [TS]

00:45:07   it's a tough situation like you can't [TS]

00:45:09   read too much into it either way except [TS]

00:45:12   that there's something there are there [TS]

00:45:14   only thing i could read into it it's him [TS]

00:45:16   cook statement on the Q&A that I would [TS]

00:45:18   say is that on it is that there is going [TS]

00:45:21   to be [TS]

00:45:23   straight or at least you know in [TS]

00:45:25   somebody's opinion great new imacs [TS]

00:45:26   coming [TS]

00:45:27   um because otherwise it what he said is [TS]

00:45:31   you know he's is fly right into his [TS]

00:45:35   credibility and he did you know he is [TS]

00:45:38   obviously got to be measured in careful [TS]

00:45:40   in his words and he knows that this Q&A [TS]

00:45:42   is going to leak if there's anything [TS]

00:45:44   newsworthy but he's not going to you get [TS]

00:45:49   no matter how cynical you want to be [TS]

00:45:50   about it he's not going to say something [TS]

00:45:51   that flat out going to ruin his [TS]

00:45:54   credibility with his own employees so [TS]

00:45:55   let's just say in the hypothetical world [TS]

00:45:57   that people fear that Apple is something [TS]

00:45:58   done with desktop computers period and [TS]

00:46:01   that its macbooks only the rest of the [TS]

00:46:04   way [TS]

00:46:05   well then what he said is it in [TS]

00:46:09   hindsight is going to make people think [TS]

00:46:10   it's a it's just a flat-out lie and he's [TS]

00:46:13   not going to do that so there's got to [TS]

00:46:15   be islands coming here has too many says [TS]

00:46:17   desktops plural but does that mean to [TS]

00:46:18   slight impacts that mean I back and it's [TS]

00:46:21   very interesting because when you when [TS]

00:46:22   you actually look at the numbers Apple [TS]

00:46:24   very very very very few people connect [TS]

00:46:26   external displays to their max right and [TS]

00:46:28   i believe the number smaller than ever [TS]

00:46:29   and also very very very very fucks you [TS]

00:46:32   mean 2222 a tool yet to their macbooks [TS]

00:46:34   what are you saying that nice look [TS]

00:46:36   obviously yeah I'm address if you've got [TS]

00:46:38   a mac probably need I'm really [TS]

00:46:40   absolutely output on the flip side of [TS]

00:46:42   that almost nobody by again almost [TS]

00:46:44   nobody buys desktop Max anymore the vast [TS]

00:46:46   vast vast majority of what they sell our [TS]

00:46:49   macbooks when we vote with our wallet [TS]

00:46:50   we're telling them as customers that we [TS]

00:46:52   care mostly and by a vast majority about [TS]

00:46:54   the notebooks and that's that sort of [TS]

00:46:57   thing they have to wait because they [TS]

00:46:58   only have enough resources to do this or [TS]

00:46:59   that and they say that most of the [TS]

00:47:01   customers are buying a macbook some of [TS]

00:47:03   them are buying displays to go with them [TS]

00:47:06   do they start making displays they [TS]

00:47:07   stopped making desktops I'd argue that [TS]

00:47:09   know that they're important enough that [TS]

00:47:10   they have to keep making them anyway but [TS]

00:47:12   it's not like we are the numbers on our [TS]

00:47:13   side for those right so if they're all [TS]

00:47:19   is a new mac pro that is in the works [TS]

00:47:21   and is coming [TS]

00:47:22   there's no way that Tim Cook can say [TS]

00:47:25   anything about it in this Q&A now [TS]

00:47:27   yeah if there's not if the macbook mac [TS]

00:47:31   pro is end-of-life [TS]

00:47:33   he can't say anything he can't say that [TS]

00:47:35   because they're still selling the old [TS]

00:47:38   one [TS]

00:47:38   now why are they still selling the old [TS]

00:47:39   one I don't know but maybe it's you know [TS]

00:47:42   they're in theory they could [TS]

00:47:44   let's just say that their I there [TS]

00:47:46   they're going to rethink the whole [TS]

00:47:48   approach to the pro market and are going [TS]

00:47:50   to do effectively an imac pro that the [TS]

00:47:52   new mac pro is like the imac but it's [TS]

00:47:56   you know the space gray and has higher [TS]

00:47:59   end you know xeon processors or [TS]

00:48:03   something at that now put aside how do [TS]

00:48:05   you do that and have to deal with the [TS]

00:48:07   heat dissipation that's their problem [TS]

00:48:09   but maybe if that's a hypothetically [TS]

00:48:11   where they're going with pro-market is [TS]

00:48:13   devices you know built all-in-ones with [TS]

00:48:16   Pro Performance they have to keep the [TS]

00:48:21   old Mac Pro's around until those are [TS]

00:48:23   ready to sell [TS]

00:48:24   they can't have a gap yeah they did [TS]

00:48:27   announce that life again I don't display [TS]

00:48:29   yeah but that again that reason all [TS]

00:48:31   these questions about what's happening [TS]

00:48:33   with the product lines they probably [TS]

00:48:34   want to answer right now right [TS]

00:48:37   you know you still can't talk about it [TS]

00:48:39   but anyways that's the first sentence of [TS]

00:48:41   that paragraph essay the mac team has [TS]

00:48:43   lost cloud with the famed industrial [TS]

00:48:45   design group led by Johnny Ivan and the [TS]

00:48:47   company's software team which is a weird [TS]

00:48:49   combination i don't understand what they [TS]

00:48:52   mean has lost cloud by the matter with [TS]

00:48:54   that it doesn't make sense to me like [TS]

00:48:56   they don't because there's no I mean [TS]

00:48:57   they're armed acting like there's a mac [TS]

00:48:58   marketing team but the apple doesn't [TS]

00:48:59   have like I'm a Mac business unit and [TS]

00:49:01   they don't have an iphone business unit [TS]

00:49:03   and you know dad retail still has to [TS]

00:49:05   build all these machines and Johnny icms [TS]

00:49:07   to design the mall and Craig federighi [TS]

00:49:08   team has to make software to run all [TS]

00:49:10   them and yes those teams are highly [TS]

00:49:13   focused on iphone because I don't [TS]

00:49:14   absolutely have to ship every year or [TS]

00:49:16   its company crushing but it there those [TS]

00:49:19   people are still working on Max and care [TS]

00:49:20   desperately about Max and my [TS]

00:49:22   understanding is that a lot of the [TS]

00:49:23   recent design meetings have been about [TS]

00:49:25   Max so I again I I don't understand the [TS]

00:49:28   context of all the information I don't [TS]

00:49:30   know what it means to have lost cloud [TS]

00:49:31   like what-what it wears what would the [TS]

00:49:33   evidence of that be I mean and the only [TS]

00:49:35   you know it's the only way it would make [TS]

00:49:37   sense is if there are new macs ready to [TS]

00:49:40   go other than having an industrial [TS]

00:49:42   design [TS]

00:49:42   and that Jony ive seems like now we're [TS]

00:49:45   not interested [TS]

00:49:47   it doesn't make any sense that's not how [TS]

00:49:49   it works i mean i like to depend on [TS]

00:49:50   product it's not like johnny is a dick [TS]

00:49:53   the design team just is like a bunch of [TS]

00:49:55   it you know [TS]

00:49:57   hipster sipping coffee wearing berets [TS]

00:49:59   and they just work on what they want to [TS]

00:50:01   work on and I got back so boring we're [TS]

00:50:03   not going to work on those were just [TS]

00:50:04   gonna work on we're gonna work on the [TS]

00:50:06   ice is not making your max this he'll go [TS]

00:50:09   home right that's it [TS]

00:50:12   I don't anymore edit there aren't it you [TS]

00:50:14   know the the problem is as I said the [TS]

00:50:17   fact is that there are too many of the [TS]

00:50:19   max haven't been updated period it's not [TS]

00:50:20   like they haven't gotten attention and [TS]

00:50:22   the ones that have been updated the [TS]

00:50:24   macbook I know the macbook hearted this [TS]

00:50:27   year's macbook isn't a new design but it [TS]

00:50:29   came out last year and this year's [TS]

00:50:30   macbook pros obviously add a lot of work [TS]

00:50:35   done by the industrial design team it's [TS]

00:50:37   all new and closures it's in get a very [TS]

00:50:40   different it's not just like the old [TS]

00:50:42   ones but thinner the entire hints [TS]

00:50:44   mechanism for the display is entirely [TS]

00:50:46   different [TS]

00:50:47   i-i've will get to this later but I've [TS]

00:50:50   been messing around with older whole [TS]

00:50:52   bunch of macbooks this week running [TS]

00:50:53   battery tests and with a bunch of them [TS]

00:50:55   open at the same time and going between [TS]

00:50:57   the two and restarting test [TS]

00:50:59   it's it's it's more clear than it was [TS]

00:51:01   even when I reviewed the new macbook pro [TS]

00:51:03   how much nicer the hinge is on the new [TS]

00:51:06   one and I'll rigid they are it but like [TS]

00:51:10   when you tilt it if it's already at an [TS]

00:51:13   angle for sitting and then you're like [TS]

00:51:14   I've been running these battery test [TS]

00:51:16   well come by and update them and I don't [TS]

00:51:19   even sit down and I want to tilt the [TS]

00:51:21   screen just a little too so it's more of [TS]

00:51:23   an angle for standing and when you do it [TS]

00:51:26   on the new macbook pro the screen just [TS]

00:51:29   put in a little one finger and a little [TS]

00:51:31   bit of pressure and it tilts back and on [TS]

00:51:33   my 2014 macbook pro i do it at first the [TS]

00:51:36   whole device lifts off the table [TS]

00:51:38   you know it's it's more step it's it's [TS]

00:51:41   not as nice anyway that's all that's [TS]

00:51:44   exactly the sort of thing that Johnny is [TS]

00:51:46   famed industrial design team does is [TS]

00:51:49   design and fancy new hinge that's way [TS]

00:51:53   better than what was already the best [TS]

00:51:55   him [TS]

00:51:55   change on a professional notebook in the [TS]

00:51:58   world [TS]

00:51:59   totally and more rigid unibody and was [TS]

00:52:01   already a very very good unibody sure [TS]

00:52:03   right exactly it's entirely new keyboard [TS]

00:52:05   to switch system in at 10 I I I don't [TS]

00:52:10   get it [TS]

00:52:10   and then there's this other half of the [TS]

00:52:12   sentence in the company's software team [TS]

00:52:14   i don't i don't get it next to me has [TS]

00:52:18   been a and again I'm worried i do worry [TS]

00:52:22   and I'm trying to begin his whole you [TS]

00:52:24   know is Apple abandoning the mac or [TS]

00:52:27   slowly sunsetting the mac or just you [TS]

00:52:29   know ruining the mac whatever debate [TS]

00:52:33   which obviously does have some [TS]

00:52:35   foundation in fact the fact that the [TS]

00:52:37   hardware hasn't been updated one of the [TS]

00:52:39   things I like to cite I feel like it's [TS]

00:52:41   it it's not proof but evidence to the [TS]

00:52:44   contrary is the annual update schedule [TS]

00:52:46   that mac OS has been on for the last few [TS]

00:52:48   years like you know in 2007 famously the [TS]

00:52:51   mac the first year the iphone the mac [TS]

00:52:54   they had to put out a press release [TS]

00:52:56   because they announced that the new mac [TS]

00:52:58   OS gonna be ready at WWDC and they put [TS]

00:52:59   out a press release that it's delayed [TS]

00:53:01   five months because we had to pull so [TS]

00:53:03   many engine so many engineering talent [TS]

00:53:06   to work on the iphone OS as it was [TS]

00:53:09   called then it there's obviously enough [TS]

00:53:13   attention on a Mac now that the mac is [TS]

00:53:15   on the same annual update cycle is iOS [TS]

00:53:17   it's you know I don't see it and it's [TS]

00:53:21   getting features and is getting [TS]

00:53:22   important features like the continuity [TS]

00:53:23   ones where you can use touch ID or the [TS]

00:53:25   watched on lock in order to verify [TS]

00:53:26   payment got serie brought over to it and [TS]

00:53:30   either there is some truth Apple [TS]

00:53:32   reorganizing their teams and a lot of [TS]

00:53:33   those teams are iOS centric but when you [TS]

00:53:35   look at mac and iOS what differentiates [TS]

00:53:37   them is their input methods in their [TS]

00:53:38   interface and apple is I think wisely [TS]

00:53:41   consolidating a lot of the things that [TS]

00:53:43   go under the covers like when you look [TS]

00:53:44   at swift that's across all platforms [TS]

00:53:45   Apple file system is going to go from [TS]

00:53:47   Apple watch all the way to mac pro all [TS]

00:53:50   the things that they're building like [TS]

00:53:51   one day you know maybe app I don't how [TS]

00:53:53   long Apple be around four but it might [TS]

00:53:55   make sense to have sort of a UI [TS]

00:53:56   framework that crosses over both [TS]

00:53:58   platforms all that stuff can be made [TS]

00:54:00   with one team and could benefit both [TS]

00:54:01   platforms without them without you [TS]

00:54:03   having to micro measure how many people [TS]

00:54:05   are doing each one right and then [TS]

00:54:07   there's my next argument in the Altai [TS]

00:54:11   i'll argue the side of Apple as Apple is [TS]

00:54:14   as still putting an awful lot of thought [TS]

00:54:16   and attention in the mac is the touch [TS]

00:54:18   bar which is it at a at a hardware level [TS]

00:54:22   a fascinating that it's not really a [TS]

00:54:25   device because it's part of the device [TS]

00:54:27   but it is a fascinating piece of [TS]

00:54:31   hardware that it's an iOS device it is a [TS]

00:54:34   full iOS computer in an intel-based mac [TS]

00:54:38   computer [TS]

00:54:39   yeah I it's a computer and a computer [TS]

00:54:41   which I i just love and and the computer [TS]

00:54:44   in the computer is a better computer and [TS]

00:54:47   more powerful computer then like the [TS]

00:54:49   computers we had I don't know how many [TS]

00:54:51   years ago you know but at some point my [TS]

00:54:53   life a full personal computer was not as [TS]

00:54:56   powerful as the touch bar we have [TS]

00:54:58   absolutely it's one of the only Apple [TS]

00:55:00   things because you have to have the [TS]

00:55:01   ability to make a tiny embedded device [TS]

00:55:03   that runs an entirely separate yet you [TS]

00:55:06   know in some ways compatible operating [TS]

00:55:07   system and bread Victor actually tweeted [TS]

00:55:09   this i think it's it's public knowledge [TS]

00:55:11   they've been working on this for up to a [TS]

00:55:12   decade it's not like this is what like [TS]

00:55:14   last year's had to go crap what we do [TS]

00:55:16   with the mac this has been a project [TS]

00:55:17   they've been working on for a very very [TS]

00:55:19   long time I did not know that I do know [TS]

00:55:21   though that i know several people who [TS]

00:55:23   were engineers either a hardware level [TS]

00:55:26   or software level or some combination of [TS]

00:55:28   the two on the touch bar who are truly [TS]

00:55:30   like at you know it's good confidence I [TS]

00:55:33   can't say who they are but you know it [TS]

00:55:35   truly some of the best engineers at the [TS]

00:55:37   company people who have like seats in [TS]

00:55:40   the second row at hassle events and are [TS]

00:55:43   seated near you know ready to go be [TS]

00:55:45   tapped to go backstage to fix demos if [TS]

00:55:48   they go awry like they're one step ready [TS]

00:55:50   to you know like they're like the [TS]

00:55:52   emergency the demos gone bad we need you [TS]

00:55:55   know we need top men to investigate [TS]

00:55:57   those type of talent and that they've [TS]

00:56:00   spent like the last 18 months on touch [TS]

00:56:02   bar and are incredibly proud of how it [TS]

00:56:05   turned out one of them like that i don't [TS]

00:56:07   have the direct question for me but one [TS]

00:56:08   of them said I hope this shows people [TS]

00:56:11   that we still [TS]

00:56:12   care about the mac because inside Apple [TS]

00:56:15   it's the best proof of it possible [TS]

00:56:17   combine that with the fact that on day [TS]

00:56:22   one of these macs with touch bars [TS]

00:56:26   shipping all of the commonly used [TS]

00:56:29   consumer apps that apple makes for the [TS]

00:56:33   mac had full touch bar support a lot of [TS]

00:56:36   it very very thoughtful [TS]

00:56:38   none of it half-assed not one of them [TS]

00:56:40   even like apps like a you know like text [TS]

00:56:43   edit or something like that or preview [TS]

00:56:45   had thoughtful reminder right as and it [TS]

00:56:49   it you know and I talked about this [TS]

00:56:50   before we can get a separate [TS]

00:56:52   conversation of you know this Apple is [TS]

00:56:54   even fully understand the right way to [TS]

00:56:55   use the touch part yet will they you [TS]

00:56:57   know you know like my example is like in [TS]

00:57:02   the early years of the mac like 1984-85 [TS]

00:57:04   their dialogue boxes were like ok and [TS]

00:57:08   cancel were stacked vertically and then [TS]

00:57:12   there's others were they were horizontal [TS]

00:57:13   like they just hadn't figured the [TS]

00:57:14   consistency out on stuff like that and [TS]

00:57:16   of course now everybody knows it goes [TS]

00:57:18   cancel it and then okay to the right [TS]

00:57:20   that maybe there's like touch more of [TS]

00:57:23   things like that there's certain things [TS]

00:57:24   that we're doing in touch parts like the [TS]

00:57:26   way that Safari defaults to showing [TS]

00:57:27   thumbnails of your tabs I i don't know i [TS]

00:57:30   don't find that useful maybe other [TS]

00:57:31   people do i I feel like four but anyway [TS]

00:57:33   i scroll with a high school super faster [TS]

00:57:35   windows and probably the one that I want [TS]

00:57:36   really quickly without some huge huge [TS]

00:57:38   family like so--you you swipe your [TS]

00:57:40   finger across the brook yes because [TS]

00:57:42   sometimes with tabs have to hit like you [TS]

00:57:43   previously had command you got easy to [TS]

00:57:45   get to each one and I just swipe now I [TS]

00:57:46   see which 1i want to stop immediately [TS]

00:57:48   yeah maybe that maybe im using it the [TS]

00:57:50   wrong way maybe that's the way i should [TS]

00:57:51   use is run my finger across instead of [TS]

00:57:53   staring at it and try to poke at the [TS]

00:57:55   right 1i never yet that so maybe that's [TS]

00:57:56   right i don't know but anyway it to me [TS]

00:57:59   the support across not just the OS but [TS]

00:58:03   across their apps and in the cocoa [TS]

00:58:06   frameworks for third-party developers [TS]

00:58:09   like everything I've heard from [TS]

00:58:11   developer friends about the touch bar [TS]

00:58:13   api's is that yes these are these are [TS]

00:58:17   very solid api's from written by people [TS]

00:58:20   who you know who get cocoa [TS]

00:58:22   I mean this is exactly what you want but [TS]

00:58:23   it's a sign that Apple has top [TS]

00:58:25   engineering quad talent so I just don't [TS]

00:58:28   get how that jobs with the Germans they [TS]

00:58:31   say the mac team has lost cloud dot dot [TS]

00:58:33   with the company's software team [TS]

00:58:35   I don't get another example of that is [TS]

00:58:37   when you look at it the iOS device [TS]

00:58:39   embedded iOS device actually controls [TS]

00:58:41   the printout of the price on the display [TS]

00:58:43   because they don't want and after able [TS]

00:58:45   to intercept and change the price that [TS]

00:58:46   you then agree to with your fingerprint [TS]

00:58:48   and that again is another level of [TS]

00:58:50   complexity a degree in engineering that [TS]

00:58:51   they do for security sake but it's not [TS]

00:58:53   trivial to implement and you stack all [TS]

00:58:55   these up on top and I think because [TS]

00:58:56   you're at the event with me they were [TS]

00:58:57   the people at Apple we're super excited [TS]

00:58:59   about this any other still feeling their [TS]

00:59:01   way through the best practices for it [TS]

00:59:03   but it was clear that they that they [TS]

00:59:04   thought they were doing what was right [TS]

00:59:05   for the platform [TS]

00:59:07   yeah and another example is the way that [TS]

00:59:09   the the iOS the touch bars iOS device [TS]

00:59:11   has the secure Enclave which is their [TS]

00:59:14   first and foremost for the touch ID but [TS]

00:59:17   it's also used now to control the webcam [TS]

00:59:21   on the front of the display so that the [TS]

00:59:23   webcam you know is obviously that's a [TS]

00:59:25   huge security thing all sorts of people [TS]

00:59:27   you know people put tape over the thing [TS]

00:59:29   because they're worried that they can be [TS]

00:59:32   certain you know somebody can install [TS]

00:59:34   software that will serve tisha sleet [TS]

00:59:35   earn the camera on there's a green light [TS]

00:59:37   that turns on when the cameras on people [TS]

00:59:39   worry I'm again rightfully so it's not [TS]

00:59:41   crazy but rightfully so with every that [TS]

00:59:43   that could be overridden by the the [TS]

00:59:46   malware that may not stop people the [TS]

00:59:51   fact that it goes to the secure Enclave [TS]

00:59:52   now may not stop people from putting [TS]

00:59:53   tape over there over there camera but it [TS]

00:59:57   should if they think about it could if [TS]

00:59:59   they think about it [TS]

00:59:59   they think about it [TS]

01:00:00   and even if you're not worried about [TS]

01:00:01   it's just it's just apples just happy to [TS]

01:00:04   know that they've cut off a path that [TS]

01:00:06   malware could take to do something which [TS]

01:00:08   would be truly dreadful like take [TS]

01:00:09   control of your webcam and they're [TS]

01:00:11   spending valuable engineering resources [TS]

01:00:13   to implement those features which shows [TS]

01:00:15   to me at least the investment they have [TS]

01:00:16   that platform right i mean what they [TS]

01:00:19   could do like this this is why I don't [TS]

01:00:23   think government article shows what [TS]

01:00:25   people think that it shows i think it's [TS]

01:00:27   written to fit the narrative and that [TS]

01:00:29   doesn't really show it I i think the [TS]

01:00:31   macbook pro refutes it you know Apple [TS]

01:00:35   could have just take you know put the [TS]

01:00:37   upgraded intel chipsets in the old [TS]

01:00:40   macbook pro and closer sound like the [TS]

01:00:43   old macbook pro enclosure was dated it [TS]

01:00:48   was still it's exactly what most you [TS]

01:00:50   know other pc laptops still copy and [TS]

01:00:54   anybody who prefers the larger key [TS]

01:00:57   travel wouldn't be too complaining about [TS]

01:00:58   the salariki travel people who all ports [TS]

01:01:02   people who want the device you know the [TS]

01:01:05   people who want to argue which is a [TS]

01:01:06   reasonable view point that i'd rather [TS]

01:01:09   Apple stopped making these things [TS]

01:01:10   thinner and keep them the same thickness [TS]

01:01:12   and just put bigger batteries in so i [TS]

01:01:14   get even more battery life you know stop [TS]

01:01:16   settling for quote unquote 10 hours of [TS]

01:01:18   battery life on you go for 20 by keeping [TS]

01:01:20   your thickness they would have had far [TS]

01:01:22   fewer complaints i think it would have [TS]

01:01:24   been worse devices i think it's it you [TS]

01:01:27   know III in the long run I think they [TS]

01:01:29   were right to do this but it's the weird [TS]

01:01:34   thing and this is why Apple has had [TS]

01:01:36   long-term success is there they're not [TS]

01:01:38   afraid to do things that will draw [TS]

01:01:40   criticism but are the right thing to do [TS]

01:01:42   going forward I mean the headphone jack [TS]

01:01:43   is the best example of that possible [TS]

01:01:46   nobody was going to complain if the [TS]

01:01:48   iphone 7 had a headphone check lots of [TS]

01:01:50   people did complain that the iphone 7 [TS]

01:01:52   didn't have a headphone jack lots of [TS]

01:01:55   complaints on one side no complaints on [TS]

01:01:56   the other but if it's the right way to [TS]

01:01:58   do it they'll take the side with [TS]

01:01:59   complaints whereas most companies always [TS]

01:02:01   err on the side of let's do the thing [TS]

01:02:03   that generates the fewest complaints [TS]

01:02:05   even if it's the worst thing but people [TS]

01:02:08   will pull people don't complain people [TS]

01:02:10   complain about what's new they don't [TS]

01:02:11   complain about status quo [TS]

01:02:12   now and there's I mean that they can't [TS]

01:02:14   win either way if they kept the old [TS]

01:02:15   enclosure would have been like the [TS]

01:02:17   iphone 7 analysts it's the same design [TS]

01:02:18   apples not innovating anymore they're [TS]

01:02:20   boring and then they change it well you [TS]

01:02:22   know why do they bother changing they [TS]

01:02:23   could've just left the same design but [TS]

01:02:24   apple just never goes to the judges they [TS]

01:02:26   don't care about the judges they don't [TS]

01:02:27   want their their routine scored by the [TS]

01:02:29   sweetest judge with like an 8 or [TS]

01:02:31   something they do what they think they [TS]

01:02:32   think is right and I'll take the lumps [TS]

01:02:34   and it could be the headphone jack could [TS]

01:02:35   be us bc Thunderbolt three across the [TS]

01:02:37   line it could be making thinner max they [TS]

01:02:39   they're they're willing to take those [TS]

01:02:40   lumps for what they think is the best [TS]

01:02:42   product but that hypothetical world the [TS]

01:02:44   hypothetical world where Apple's October [TS]

01:02:46   2016 new macbook pros effectively look [TS]

01:02:49   more or less just like the old macbook [TS]

01:02:52   pros that world fits with the Germans [TS]

01:02:57   narrative well they lost clout with Jony [TS]

01:02:59   Ive's team so the jives team said no [TS]

01:03:02   stick to you know and enclosures good [TS]

01:03:04   enough [TS]

01:03:06   it fits with the idea that they've lost [TS]

01:03:08   clout with the software team because the [TS]

01:03:10   no software really asked all they need [TS]

01:03:12   to do is put the drivers in right it's [TS]

01:03:14   not [TS]

01:03:14   hey every single mac app from apple has [TS]

01:03:17   to be updated with touch bar support [TS]

01:03:20   that fit like the world where they come [TS]

01:03:25   out with these new macbook pros that are [TS]

01:03:26   much thinner have the weight of the old [TS]

01:03:29   macbook airs but our pro and have the [TS]

01:03:33   you know [TS]

01:03:34   hi color gamut a wide color gamut [TS]

01:03:36   whatever you want to call it displays I [TS]

01:03:40   just don't get it [TS]

01:03:42   yeah it those products were internally [TS]

01:03:44   expensive to produce and they wouldn't [TS]

01:03:46   do that if that was a platform that they [TS]

01:03:47   weren't any I don't know what else to [TS]

01:03:53   say about it other than their the other [TS]

01:03:55   part that I thought was I haven't [TS]

01:03:57   written about this either but i want to [TS]

01:03:59   but it's been delayed in december is [TS]

01:04:02   people have more options microsoft [TS]

01:04:05   corporation wants to ride it by Mac [TS]

01:04:07   loyalists for its clunky buggy software [TS]

01:04:08   offers Windows 10 which provides the [TS]

01:04:11   tablet type functionality Apple [TS]

01:04:13   pioneered with the ipad [TS]

01:04:15   now that's a funny sense because I and I [TS]

01:04:21   mean I don't mean to to be like a [TS]

01:04:23   nitpicker but it's a funny sense because [TS]

01:04:25   people now have more options windows was [TS]

01:04:30   / mac loyalists is clunky and buggy [TS]

01:04:32   software i would agree with that is [TS]

01:04:35   certainly why i haven't used windows on [TS]

01:04:36   a regular basis at a regular basis other [TS]

01:04:39   than when I had shitty jobs when I was [TS]

01:04:40   younger and had to now offers Windows 10 [TS]

01:04:45   and it's not which is not clunky or [TS]

01:04:48   buggy or as on savory as Windows ever [TS]

01:04:51   was but if instead says which provides [TS]

01:04:53   the tablet I punks now the Apple [TS]

01:04:55   pioneered with the ipad like yeah i mean [TS]

01:04:58   there was ten years a tablet pc before [TS]

01:05:00   the ipad i had a chance to travel [TS]

01:05:02   reports surface to do when i was there [TS]

01:05:04   for the holiday show we did a review of [TS]

01:05:06   it and it's introduced an interesting [TS]

01:05:08   product but I I don't under I wrote [TS]

01:05:10   about this to like I it seems like non [TS]

01:05:11   apple products get graded on a curve [TS]

01:05:12   because this was an i5 with the 5200 RPM [TS]

01:05:15   hard drive which was just not sufficient [TS]

01:05:18   for that product and that this is a [TS]

01:05:20   device is plugged in all time there's no [TS]

01:05:21   reason for it to be power and strain at [TS]

01:05:23   all need to put anything as powerful as [TS]

01:05:25   you want in there but it was incredibly [TS]

01:05:27   power constraints could run either [TS]

01:05:28   desktop or tablet mode which was [TS]

01:05:30   confusing and when he would swipe down [TS]

01:05:32   to get rid of something you can [TS]

01:05:33   literally count like seconds in between [TS]

01:05:34   the animation frames not just their [TS]

01:05:37   they're a frame-off but like seconds [TS]

01:05:38   before what animates start dropping it [TS]

01:05:40   down and not the first time when it [TS]

01:05:41   loaded it but over and over again and it [TS]

01:05:43   was by far not an experience that I [TS]

01:05:44   would tolerate on it on a daily basis i [TS]

01:05:46   know some people love windows for gaming [TS]

01:05:48   or for that functionality but i just [TS]

01:05:50   don't get that entire narrative about [TS]

01:05:52   Apple or Microsoft now catering to [TS]

01:05:55   creative they're putting out very small [TS]

01:05:57   niche products that they're having a [TS]

01:05:58   hard time shipping on schedule as well [TS]

01:06:01   Microsoft Surface computers offer apple [TS]

01:06:04   s quality and a well-reviewed creative [TS]

01:06:07   paint program aimed at the max audience [TS]

01:06:09   i do think there's a little bit of Carla [TS]

01:06:12   true there were if you are a [TS]

01:06:14   professional illustrator or architecture [TS]

01:06:16   somebody who draws professionally the [TS]

01:06:18   surface studio if I did I would [TS]

01:06:20   certainly look at one and maybe only use [TS]

01:06:21   it for drawing and still use a mac for [TS]

01:06:23   all my other computing and just have a [TS]

01:06:25   device you know a dedicated in a way [TS]

01:06:27   that you know a lot of these people have [TS]

01:06:28   had it [TS]

01:06:28   dedicated device hooked up to their [TS]

01:06:29   Max's cintiq yep you'd buy this just for [TS]

01:06:33   the drawing i could see it but I [TS]

01:06:36   certainly wouldn't call it apple s [TS]

01:06:37   quality honestly I mean I am it again [TS]

01:06:39   it's like you know the guy who runs a [TS]

01:06:41   site that's mostly about apple says yes [TS]

01:06:43   surface to do is indecisive Mack the [TS]

01:06:45   hinges really good the hinges here you [TS]

01:06:47   really good but i found that the the [TS]

01:06:50   drawing response time if you want to [TS]

01:06:51   compare to the ipad pro it's just no get [TS]

01:06:53   Harrison that there's there is latency [TS]

01:06:55   and it varies widely and it's true on [TS]

01:06:57   the ipad 2 I mean it is software [TS]

01:06:59   dependent but if you want to just look [TS]

01:07:03   at the reference apps you know [TS]

01:07:05   Microsoft's own microsoft paint which I [TS]

01:07:08   tried in the is store and apples notes [TS]

01:07:11   app where you can draw the sketches you [TS]

01:07:14   know just as baselines for latency [TS]

01:07:16   there's practically none i mean i don't [TS]

01:07:20   want to say nun with the ipad pro but [TS]

01:07:22   it's you know I I don't think there's [TS]

01:07:24   any reviews that disagree that the [TS]

01:07:25   latency is downright amazing [TS]

01:07:28   there's definitely latency I could see [TS]

01:07:30   it on that the surface to do and there's [TS]

01:07:32   parallax there the display is nowhere [TS]

01:07:35   near as close to the surface of the [TS]

01:07:36   glass or plastic or divers guys other [TS]

01:07:38   than the ipad pro is absolutely a bit of [TS]

01:07:42   parallax there it's not bad it's not [TS]

01:07:43   horrible but it certainly isn't the ipad [TS]

01:07:46   pro and the ipad pro is what I would [TS]

01:07:48   define as Apple quality and so the [TS]

01:07:50   service is by definition sub Apple [TS]

01:07:53   quality it is hard to go back i used a [TS]

01:07:55   wacom tablet for years and that was just [TS]

01:07:57   what you had it was the best in the [TS]

01:07:59   business so nobody really paid attention [TS]

01:08:00   and after using the ipad pro for a year [TS]

01:08:02   I I found it really hard to go back [TS]

01:08:04   because you do notice the difference in [TS]

01:08:05   latency and you do notice the air gap [TS]

01:08:07   and on one proper way communist radical [TS]

01:08:09   which I know you can turn off but still [TS]

01:08:11   super annoying to me it's sort of spoils [TS]

01:08:13   you for that experience and yeah there [TS]

01:08:15   is no 27 inch iPad pro or there's not a [TS]

01:08:17   27-inch you know pencil support on an [TS]

01:08:20   imac yet but right technologically [TS]

01:08:22   speaking there's a world of difference [TS]

01:08:23   between the two [TS]

01:08:24   sensing an opportunity and back to [TS]

01:08:25   german story microsoft called the mac [TS]

01:08:27   book pro a quote disappointment and said [TS]

01:08:30   more users than ever were switching to [TS]

01:08:32   its surface laptops and that's that's [TS]

01:08:35   the end of that so it's a total bases [TS]

01:08:37   chart of [TS]

01:08:38   yes of how many how many users are [TS]

01:08:43   switching to surface laptop switching [TS]

01:08:45   obviously I presumably from Max they [TS]

01:08:48   mean not from other windows laptops more [TS]

01:08:51   than have a problem it's like 85 people [TS]

01:08:54   switch last month in 10 people switch [TS]

01:08:55   this month hundred percent more people [TS]

01:08:57   switch this month I I sincerely doubt [TS]

01:09:00   that the number of people switching from [TS]

01:09:02   that books to surface laptops is [TS]

01:09:05   significant and I also strongly suspect [TS]

01:09:07   that if the ones who are our people who [TS]

01:09:10   never really took to the mac in the [TS]

01:09:11   first place and that they are not the [TS]

01:09:14   mac loyalists that's the term of the [TS]

01:09:17   headline of German story i really doubt [TS]

01:09:22   that any of them organized i would say [TS]

01:09:24   any obviously there's in a world of 7 [TS]

01:09:26   billion people i'm sure there's some but [TS]

01:09:28   that the number effectively is 0 of mac [TS]

01:09:31   loyalists who have switched to the [TS]

01:09:32   surface but I could be wrong but anyway [TS]

01:09:38   would be nice to have numbers to back up [TS]

01:09:39   a statement from Microsoft that isn't [TS]

01:09:42   refuted at all more than ever and they [TS]

01:09:45   said it's a disappointment [TS]

01:09:46   no its you i mean i know a lot of people [TS]

01:09:47   who are surface curious who just they [TS]

01:09:49   wanted to get a device that you could [TS]

01:09:50   draw on the screen that ran photoshop [TS]

01:09:52   and they all bought surfaces 22 using [TS]

01:09:54   coffee shops or to use around the house [TS]

01:09:55   but they still kept their macs and I [TS]

01:09:57   don't know how all these numbers to me [TS]

01:09:59   this is a math problem is not really [TS]

01:10:01   it's not a an industry trend i was just [TS]

01:10:04   like the again like it's the same thing [TS]

01:10:06   where we had those pixel sales were [TS]

01:10:07   pixel more people were like that the [TS]

01:10:09   acceleration of pixel is faster the [TS]

01:10:11   internal turmoil has taken a toll this [TS]

01:10:13   is government story more than a dozen [TS]

01:10:14   engineers and managers working on Mac [TS]

01:10:16   hardware of left four different apple [TS]

01:10:18   teams are other companies in the past [TS]

01:10:20   year-and-a-half said people familiar [TS]

01:10:21   with the situation i allowed me to [TS]

01:10:25   confirm that more than a dozen engineers [TS]

01:10:28   are you on back hardware have left four [TS]

01:10:30   different apple teams are other [TS]

01:10:32   companies it's a lot more that it [TS]

01:10:33   doesn't know people within Apple switch [TS]

01:10:37   to other places within Apple all the [TS]

01:10:40   time always have and it has been i think [TS]

01:10:43   and you know this i think you probably [TS]

01:10:44   noticed too i think there's been a [TS]

01:10:46   little bit more shifting around in the [TS]

01:10:48   last 18 months or so than usual [TS]

01:10:50   just because of project title [TS]

01:10:52   and then a few other things but it just [TS]

01:10:57   cite as evidence of problems with an [TS]

01:10:59   apple that quote more than a dozen [TS]

01:11:01   engineers and managers working on Mac [TS]

01:11:03   hardware of left four different teams is [TS]

01:11:05   really not news at all it would be if 18 [TS]

01:11:10   months go by and fewer than a dozen [TS]

01:11:12   engineers and managers to change jobs [TS]

01:11:14   that would be startling it would it [TS]

01:11:18   I I wouldn't believe it and also it's [TS]

01:11:21   unclear to me what that means because I [TS]

01:11:22   i know people who are on loan to other [TS]

01:11:24   like you know maybe they work on iphone [TS]

01:11:27   but they've been on loan to Apple watch [TS]

01:11:28   to complete a project over there and [TS]

01:11:30   then eventually they either stay where [TS]

01:11:31   they go back and they move around all [TS]

01:11:33   the time depending on where those [TS]

01:11:34   engineering resources are needed and [TS]

01:11:36   it's a and again it's just talk max [TS]

01:11:38   weren't a priority this year is very [TS]

01:11:40   easily it is very easy to see those [TS]

01:11:42   those engineers get put in other [TS]

01:11:43   projects in the meantime right and i [TS]

01:11:46   know for example I know that people who [TS]

01:11:47   worked on touch bar on loan from other [TS]

01:11:49   teams because it's you know it wasn't it [TS]

01:11:52   does not like they need to dedicate a [TS]

01:11:53   touch of our team forever [TS]

01:11:55   I mean I think there's never going to be [TS]

01:11:56   an update to the touch part but that to [TS]

01:11:58   ship the first one and decide here is [TS]

01:11:59   the foundation of how it works [TS]

01:12:01   we need some iOS people because we gotta [TS]

01:12:03   get you know let's get these guys from [TS]

01:12:04   you know work on iOS because they know [TS]

01:12:06   how to do the sculpture on Claver or [TS]

01:12:08   whatever you know but anyway I don't [TS]

01:12:10   know I just don't think again there is [TS]

01:12:12   definitely something weird and [TS]

01:12:14   problematic going on with apples [TS]

01:12:16   desktops across-the-board even the imac [TS]

01:12:21   maybe I mean just seems a little weird [TS]

01:12:24   to go home over a year without an update [TS]

01:12:27   at all even a speed bump totally and [TS]

01:12:29   stop by the same token I mean we know [TS]

01:12:31   people who for years have been saying [TS]

01:12:32   why doesn't Apple take a break and not [TS]

01:12:33   even get off this yearly update cycle [TS]

01:12:35   it's just those products going three or [TS]

01:12:37   two years i think is is is alarming but [TS]

01:12:39   you're going a year between imax if it's [TS]

01:12:41   the spring instead of the fall I don't [TS]

01:12:43   think that's the army [TS]

01:12:44   yeah so anyway I and what I've heard [TS]

01:12:48   repeatedly from people that Apple is [TS]

01:12:50   that you know regarding government [TS]

01:12:52   stories and stuff like this that like [TS]

01:12:54   not specific stories you know I mean [TS]

01:12:56   like a good Germans best story of 2016 [TS]

01:12:59   pros probably the airport's scoop you [TS]

01:13:03   got certain details wrong including like [TS]

01:13:05   the big thing he got wrong was that the [TS]

01:13:07   air pods would be beats branded and that [TS]

01:13:11   beats would come out with a low lower [TS]

01:13:13   price thing which is made no sense to me [TS]

01:13:17   marketing rise [TS]

01:13:18   you know like the apple branded one is [TS]

01:13:19   the one that would be priced to sell and [TS]

01:13:22   the beats is the premium brand that [TS]

01:13:23   would be more expensive and in fact [TS]

01:13:25   that's exactly how it turned out that [TS]

01:13:26   beat sells the three-hundred-dollar over [TS]

01:13:28   the year things in their pots are of [TS]

01:13:30   course apple-branded but in terms of [TS]

01:13:33   what the air pods were and how they [TS]

01:13:34   would work and it to have a little [TS]

01:13:35   charging case and stuff like that he had [TS]

01:13:37   that last January very specific spot on [TS]

01:13:40   even the product marketing part that he [TS]

01:13:43   got wrong [TS]

01:13:44   each should have even speculated he gets [TS]

01:13:46   the product marketing stuff wrong almost [TS]

01:13:48   all the time because people and product [TS]

01:13:50   marketing just don't leak and the people [TS]

01:13:52   who do leak or people who know things [TS]

01:13:54   like the hardware engineering and that's [TS]

01:13:57   obviously who leaked the story anyway [TS]

01:13:58   specific story like that government [TS]

01:14:00   nails it something like this that's [TS]

01:14:01   bigger he often gets facts right but [TS]

01:14:03   gets the story wrong is that I've heard [TS]

01:14:05   that from like three different people [TS]

01:14:06   going to get ready it's super-hard what [TS]

01:14:09   he does is super super tough not just [TS]

01:14:11   gathering information but doing the [TS]

01:14:12   analytics behind it sort of guessing [TS]

01:14:14   apples intent that which is you know [TS]

01:14:15   kudos to them for doing it I wouldn't [TS]

01:14:18   but that that part is super super hard [TS]

01:14:20   now they're desperately running at it [TS]

01:14:24   I'm we're going to do a big year in [TS]

01:14:27   review or not we're going to get to have [TS]

01:14:29   to throw out the rush through that part [TS]

01:14:30   we can pick our targets I let me take a [TS]

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01:16:23   yeah he asked oh so consumer reports at [TS]

01:16:27   the end of last week on friday how would [TS]

01:16:29   you summarize it [TS]

01:16:30   I don't you summarize it so they put out [TS]

01:16:32   of it so we put out a headline ie they [TS]

01:16:36   put out a report saying that they could [TS]

01:16:37   not recommend the new macbook pro [TS]

01:16:39   because they got wildly inconsistent [TS]

01:16:40   battery tests was I think that just the [TS]

01:16:43   gist of it that went from 15 hours on [TS]

01:16:45   the high end to like [TS]

01:16:47   three-point-something low-end and so [TS]

01:16:51   they gave it there's the first macbooks [TS]

01:16:53   ever not to receive their quote unquote [TS]

01:16:55   recommended in other words there's it's [TS]

01:16:57   sort of like the Good Housekeeping Seal [TS]

01:16:59   of Approval that they're not saying it's [TS]

01:17:01   the best are not saying it's worse than [TS]

01:17:03   that ranking 10 laptops you know his [TS]

01:17:05   number two number three it's just is it [TS]

01:17:07   at least in their recommended list and [TS]

01:17:10   it's sort of like a you know a minimum [TS]

01:17:12   badge of visit a decent machine and it's [TS]

01:17:15   the first one ever not to get it [TS]

01:17:17   and I was a top that all the text is it [TS]

01:17:20   was the number one story on tech [TS]

01:17:21   mon-friday yeah their logic was because [TS]

01:17:25   they thought that battery was such an [TS]

01:17:27   important characteristic that they [TS]

01:17:28   couldn't take an average had to take the [TS]

01:17:29   lowest results for each one because [TS]

01:17:30   that's the only thing people count on it [TS]

01:17:32   got scored based on having around a [TS]

01:17:34   three-point something hour battery life [TS]

01:17:35   so the consumer reports again it is it [TS]

01:17:40   hello there you complain about consumer [TS]

01:17:41   reports consistent something bad about [TS]

01:17:42   Apple but this is it to frame this [TS]

01:17:44   consumer reports has been around for a [TS]

01:17:45   long time and when I was growing up had [TS]

01:17:47   a great reputation and that it was [TS]

01:17:51   expensive because one of the policies [TS]

01:17:53   that they have is that they don't accept [TS]

01:17:55   product advertising and so they are [TS]

01:17:57   supported by their subscribers and it's [TS]

01:18:01   a very expensive thing to do so when [TS]

01:18:03   they do things like they test cars they [TS]

01:18:05   go to a car dealer and they buy cars and [TS]

01:18:08   they don't say I'm from consumer reports [TS]

01:18:10   and they buy a card you know they just [TS]

01:18:11   going like regular customers and buy [TS]

01:18:13   whatever cars they're testing so that [TS]

01:18:15   they know that they're getting a [TS]

01:18:16   consumer product not like a cherry [TS]

01:18:19   picked you know hey this is you know [TS]

01:18:23   like the ford motor company is going to [TS]

01:18:24   make sure everything's right about this [TS]

01:18:25   car before they give it to consumer [TS]

01:18:28   reports on loan for a week of testing or [TS]

01:18:30   something like that they have their own [TS]

01:18:31   test track they own a test right where [TS]

01:18:33   they drive cars and they test everything [TS]

01:18:36   from washing machines refrigerated all [TS]

01:18:38   sorts of stuff [TS]

01:18:39   Consumer Reports is not what it used to [TS]

01:18:42   be though there was like editorial perch [TS]

01:18:44   about five or six years ago i'll put a [TS]

01:18:45   link in the show notes from like a [TS]

01:18:46   former editor but effectively that they [TS]

01:18:49   got new management five or six years ago [TS]

01:18:52   who thought they could do a lot better [TS]

01:18:54   with cheaper with new you know like just [TS]

01:18:58   sort of freelancing out all the way like [TS]

01:19:00   satellite reviewers right and redesign [TS]

01:19:03   the magazine and it became a lot less [TS]

01:19:05   dense and that reviews it is a lot more [TS]

01:19:08   like the sort of USA Today that up you [TS]

01:19:11   know it's a lot more graphs and charts [TS]

01:19:12   and graphics and a lot less dense text [TS]

01:19:15   and so if you think the Consumer Reports [TS]

01:19:18   has gone downhill just in your mind [TS]

01:19:20   there's actually a factual basis for [TS]

01:19:22   that insofar as a huge amount of their [TS]

01:19:25   staff that used to be their long-term [TS]

01:19:27   people who had were there for 10 20 [TS]

01:19:29   years or even more [TS]

01:19:30   no longer work there number to their [TS]

01:19:34   computer testing has never actually been [TS]

01:19:35   very good in my opinion that's his [TS]

01:19:39   background but here's the thing is what [TS]

01:19:41   they say about these new macbook pros [TS]

01:19:42   maybe the new macbook pros get into [TS]

01:19:45   inferior battery life let's just say [TS]

01:19:47   that that's a possibility what they're [TS]

01:19:50   saying no it doesn't make any sense at [TS]

01:19:52   all like to test these machines that [TS]

01:19:54   apple claims gets 10 hours and whatever [TS]

01:19:57   whatever the Apple testing is get range [TS]

01:20:00   from 3 hours to 18 hours the 18-hour [TS]

01:20:03   number is impossible like numerous [TS]

01:20:05   people on Twitter pointed out and i [TS]

01:20:08   believe it's true that if you turn on a [TS]

01:20:10   macbook pro and don't open any apps and [TS]

01:20:13   just set it so that the did the display [TS]

01:20:16   doesn't go to sleep automatically you're [TS]

01:20:18   not going to get 18 hours of battery [TS]

01:20:19   life [TS]

01:20:20   yeah it was just sitting there idle with [TS]

01:20:23   the screen on as bright as they say it [TS]

01:20:25   is unless you forget unplug it for part [TS]

01:20:28   of that time it seems incredibly [TS]

01:20:29   unlikely that that would be the amount [TS]

01:20:30   of time you can I don't get to it got it [TS]

01:20:32   obviously the machines went to sleep or [TS]

01:20:34   something [TS]

01:20:34   i mean i-i don't know but they don't [TS]

01:20:36   number two they don't reveal their [TS]

01:20:37   testing now presumably they don't reveal [TS]

01:20:39   the exact nature of their testing [TS]

01:20:40   because they don't want to if they say [TS]

01:20:43   if they give you repeatable steps of how [TS]

01:20:45   they test the battery life then computer [TS]

01:20:48   makers could maybe somehow game the [TS]

01:20:51   system and that's very mean Samsung has [TS]

01:20:53   been caught on a game things like each [TS]

01:20:54   bench Frenchman's yet but I depends [TS]

01:20:58   though see benchmarks are different [TS]

01:21:00   because you can like the benchmark [TS]

01:21:03   cheating is dreadfully easy in some [TS]

01:21:06   cases where like there's ways that that [TS]

01:21:09   they actually compile code that looks [TS]

01:21:11   for the compiled code of the benchmark [TS]

01:21:13   and then just knows to give the right [TS]

01:21:15   answer without actually going through [TS]

01:21:18   the actual algorithm right yeah like it [TS]

01:21:22   if you happen to know I mean just to put [TS]

01:21:23   into super layman's terms if you just [TS]

01:21:25   happen to know that the benchmark is [TS]

01:21:27   going to ask what the square root of a [TS]

01:21:31   particular large number is you can just [TS]

01:21:34   hard code the answer that instead of [TS]

01:21:36   computing the square root you just say [TS]

01:21:38   well if if that you know asking for the [TS]

01:21:40   square root of this particular large [TS]

01:21:42   number just give the just skip ahead [TS]

01:21:43   the answer because we already have it [TS]

01:21:45   and that's the sort of cheating [TS]

01:21:46   Samsung's been caught doing yet [TS]

01:21:47   literally I mean not on the square root [TS]

01:21:49   but on someone you know a real example I [TS]

01:21:52   don't know how you could do that with [TS]

01:21:53   battery life I I it depending on the [TS]

01:21:56   test its it you know i don't know and [TS]

01:21:59   it's contrary to the way that science [TS]

01:22:03   works right the whole point of of like [TS]

01:22:05   publishing something in Sciences you [TS]

01:22:07   know you published in a way that you can [TS]

01:22:09   get reproducible results the repeatable [TS]

01:22:11   and I think that immediately was a was a [TS]

01:22:13   red flag to me on twitter is a lot of [TS]

01:22:15   the minute article but you know Apple [TS]

01:22:17   controversy remove the time remaining [TS]

01:22:19   indicator but before they did that it's [TS]

01:22:21   always been bad but for this new [TS]

01:22:23   generation macbook I was and I tweeted [TS]

01:22:25   them for weeks before it became an issue [TS]

01:22:27   that i was getting like 16 hours or 14 [TS]

01:22:29   hours or 18 hours remaining on it when [TS]

01:22:31   it was clearly not the case it and that [TS]

01:22:34   those numbers sort of match the sort of [TS]

01:22:35   made up numbers that the API was [TS]

01:22:36   spitting out to me was curious from the [TS]

01:22:38   get-go also used I never saw numbers [TS]

01:22:41   like that but I never really looked at [TS]

01:22:43   that number and i've upgraded the test [TS]

01:22:45   machines i have here to to the yet 12 [TS]

01:22:48   you know to 12.2 10-point 12.2 god I [TS]

01:22:52   hate that 10 so i can't test it i was [TS]

01:22:55   always getting the opposite i was [TS]

01:22:57   getting an under representative estimate [TS]

01:23:00   when I did look but i think but part of [TS]

01:23:03   it is that I just I just don't look at [TS]

01:23:05   that time remaining I just look at the [TS]

01:23:06   percentage i really do it's just the [TS]

01:23:08   habit i've gotten into I'm not yet been [TS]

01:23:10   known to be wrong for a while and it was [TS]

01:23:12   actually joking with someone who makes [TS]

01:23:13   you uses the third-party api which is [TS]

01:23:15   slightly different he was just saying [TS]

01:23:16   I'm just gonna cap it at 10 hours [TS]

01:23:18   because i can't trust anything that has [TS]

01:23:19   over that so the third party one is [TS]

01:23:21   different i didn't know that in there [TS]

01:23:23   because ya know I do know that you can [TS]

01:23:25   still get it without installing any [TS]

01:23:27   third-party utilities you can get out of [TS]

01:23:28   activity meter [TS]

01:23:29   yeah that's the Apple we're not activity [TS]

01:23:31   monitor and there's plenty of [TS]

01:23:34   third-party utilities i'm actually i did [TS]

01:23:36   laugh when when when I first found out [TS]

01:23:39   that adults but as [TS]

01:23:41   as part of the explanation for how [TS]

01:23:43   they've improved battery life on the new [TS]

01:23:45   macbook pros in in this 10-point 12.2 [TS]

01:23:48   update that they removed the time [TS]

01:23:49   remaining I'd i literally laughed out [TS]

01:23:52   loud because it looks so bad so I know [TS]

01:23:56   people internally have been trying to [TS]

01:23:57   get that thing fixed for years and then [TS]

01:23:58   I pointed out again this time to think [TS]

01:24:00   later removed fixed and then I pointed [TS]

01:24:02   it out to someone on the team when it [TS]

01:24:04   happens to me again and there they came [TS]

01:24:06   back and they looked and they went holy [TS]

01:24:07   shit why is this like this and i think [TS]

01:24:09   that they just didn't have time to fix [TS]

01:24:10   it be and I think because they do a [TS]

01:24:12   harder problem to solve and tenth you [TS]

01:24:14   know to get it out for four 10-point [TS]

01:24:16   12.2 they could taking it out was [TS]

01:24:19   obviously easy that's that's a really [TS]

01:24:22   easy software change fixing it might be [TS]

01:24:24   hard and they're not going to delay [TS]

01:24:26   they're not going to delay 10-point 12.2 [TS]

01:24:29   tell it to wait for the fix and because [TS]

01:24:33   there's all sorts of other good stuff in [TS]

01:24:34   in that update that was ready to ship [TS]

01:24:37   and so you know I'm down with it's just [TS]

01:24:42   funny that it is sad [TS]

01:24:44   that's at but it's funny that it that [TS]

01:24:45   they decided to do it in response to [TS]

01:24:47   complaints about a new device the way [TS]

01:24:48   they should have done is take it out of [TS]

01:24:50   Sierra just take it out you know should [TS]

01:24:53   have recognized that it was either fix [TS]

01:24:55   it for Sierra or take it out for Sierra [TS]

01:24:57   and just say it's a Sierra update it [TS]

01:24:59   like a lot of things that Apple it [TS]

01:25:00   doesn't get attention until it does [TS]

01:25:02   right right and it's got the wrong kind [TS]

01:25:06   it made me laugh anyway I've told you [TS]

01:25:10   before the show I have spent the last [TS]

01:25:12   five days since friday creating my own [TS]

01:25:15   little battery benchmark now here's how [TS]

01:25:18   to consumer reports claims and I have a [TS]

01:25:21   quote from me but effectively they say [TS]

01:25:22   what they do to test the battery is they [TS]

01:25:24   load a series of web pages repeatedly [TS]

01:25:26   over and over until the battery runs out [TS]

01:25:28   and they run them from a locally hosted [TS]

01:25:32   web server in their lab which i think is [TS]

01:25:36   actually in my opinion is the wrong way [TS]

01:25:38   to do it i feel i guess they're thinking [TS]

01:25:40   that if they run it locally they can get [TS]

01:25:42   more repeatable but you know that if [TS]

01:25:44   there's some sort of [TS]

01:25:46   problem between here and the actual [TS]

01:25:48   server but they get like a rogue add [TS]

01:25:50   tracker that just brings up more and [TS]

01:25:51   more trackers and starts killing the [TS]

01:25:53   processes but I feel like if you want to [TS]

01:25:56   test real-world battery life you should [TS]

01:25:57   test it on real-world websites it's you [TS]

01:26:00   know like running off a fake web server [TS]

01:26:02   in your lab testing loading the pages [TS]

01:26:04   from a fake web server in your lab is [TS]

01:26:06   like it's saying like we're not going to [TS]

01:26:08   run the real version of photoshop we're [TS]

01:26:10   going to write you know run around [TS]

01:26:11   simulation of photoshop it's you know [TS]

01:26:14   why not run the real thing that's what [TS]

01:26:16   real people are going to do so i'm gonna [TS]

01:26:17   reply of a bit of a drawing instead of [TS]

01:26:19   running the program that makes the [TS]

01:26:20   drawing now I haven't published yet [TS]

01:26:22   because I'm not done and unlike consumer [TS]

01:26:24   reports i don't want to publish it [TS]

01:26:25   performed on but I can talk about it [TS]

01:26:26   here on the show [TS]

01:26:27   it's a very simple i wrote an apple [TS]

01:26:28   script and what it does it took 25 [TS]

01:26:31   stories from the top 25 stories on tech [TS]

01:26:33   meme on Friday just to have real-world [TS]

01:26:38   stories that are supposedly actually [TS]

01:26:40   prompt popular real pet pages that were [TS]

01:26:42   loaded by real people don't think it [TS]

01:26:45   really matters too much what they are [TS]

01:26:46   but there are real website and then it [TS]

01:26:53   one at a time [TS]

01:26:54   loads them into new tabs leaves all of [TS]

01:26:56   them open loads and loads a webpage wait [TS]

01:26:59   five seconds pages down [TS]

01:27:01   wait another five seconds pages down [TS]

01:27:04   wait another five seconds pages down [TS]

01:27:05   after that goes on to the next URL does [TS]

01:27:09   the same thing [TS]

01:27:10   15 seconds with five seconds in between [TS]

01:27:11   two page down to simulate you know [TS]

01:27:14   reading a website loading anything else [TS]

01:27:18   that might roll into the scrollview like [TS]

01:27:20   an automatic playing video or something [TS]

01:27:22   like that [TS]

01:27:23   I do all 25 of them have 25 tabs open [TS]

01:27:27   and then at the end of that close it [TS]

01:27:29   start all over again [TS]

01:27:31   load the same 25 pages over and over [TS]

01:27:32   again at a sort of four you know it i [TS]

01:27:36   could take out the five-second delays [TS]

01:27:38   and it like it's like the screen is just [TS]

01:27:39   like flash flash flash and it's it go [TS]

01:27:41   away faster and you can see in real life [TS]

01:27:43   is anybody actually going to sit there [TS]

01:27:45   in front of a computer for five hours [TS]

01:27:47   and every 15 seconds to load another web [TS]

01:27:50   page and scroll down now I mean it's [TS]

01:27:53   sort of like simulating like a coke [TS]

01:27:55   fiend on a new Athens but it's just it's [TS]

01:27:59   not supposed to be like this is [TS]

01:28:00   emulating a real person and really use [TS]

01:28:01   it's just something that I could run on [TS]

01:28:04   multiple machines to see if the scores [TS]

01:28:06   come out consistently on multiple runs [TS]

01:28:09   on the same machine and to compare one [TS]

01:28:11   machine to another and to compare these [TS]

01:28:13   new ones to my old 2014 macbook pro ah [TS]

01:28:16   and their results i got a very different [TS]

01:28:19   than consumer report so there wasn't [TS]

01:28:21   like a 15-hour 1230 would know if [TS]

01:28:24   anything the the results have actually [TS]

01:28:26   gotten slowly but steadily better since [TS]

01:28:28   friday on the same machine which I [TS]

01:28:30   attribute to the fact that when i first [TS]

01:28:32   started on friday i just updated [TS]

01:28:34   10-point 12.2 on the one where I'd sort [TS]

01:28:37   of pact these reviewing its up to send [TS]

01:28:39   back to Apple glad i didn't they were [TS]

01:28:41   all packed up and most of the time three [TS]

01:28:43   of them i have one without i have the [TS]

01:28:45   macbook escape have 13-inch with a core [TS]

01:28:48   i5 with a touch bar and I have a 15-inch [TS]

01:28:50   I attributed the earlier ones getting [TS]

01:28:55   worse scores by about an hour to the [TS]

01:28:58   fact that i did check not while the [TS]

01:29:01   benchmark was running but just when I [TS]

01:29:03   was setting up and testing and trying to [TS]

01:29:05   figure you know just making sure that [TS]

01:29:06   the test did what I thought it did it [TS]

01:29:08   was logging what I thought it did what I [TS]

01:29:10   do is I right to a text file every time [TS]

01:29:11   through the 25 tabs just to list that [TS]

01:29:14   how long has gone since we started and [TS]

01:29:16   what's the current battery life as a [TS]

01:29:18   percentage to make sure it was all [TS]

01:29:21   saying I ran it sometimes with activity [TS]

01:29:23   monitor running and I could tell the [TS]

01:29:25   first time it was running that the a lot [TS]

01:29:27   of the photos demons for running in the [TS]

01:29:29   background yeah i think because i have [TS]

01:29:33   these machines signed into my icloud [TS]

01:29:35   account and i think that the photo [TS]

01:29:38   sharing all the photos I've taken since [TS]

01:29:41   i wrote my macbook review in October [TS]

01:29:43   were new and so was doing facial [TS]

01:29:46   detection and all that stuff on all of [TS]

01:29:48   the photos that I've taken since october [TS]

01:29:50   and we took a vacation over thanksgiving [TS]

01:29:52   and so there was actually a lot of [TS]

01:29:53   photos i honestly think that the photo [TS]

01:29:56   thing was giving you know so effectively [TS]

01:29:58   I got I don't have the exact numbers [TS]

01:29:59   here but i was getting four hours and [TS]

01:30:01   change on my test on the 13-inch macbook [TS]

01:30:04   pro the new one with the touch bar and [TS]

01:30:06   now like I ran it last night i got five [TS]

01:30:08   and a half hour [TS]

01:30:09   and smoke but it's you know all between [TS]

01:30:13   four hours and change in a maximum of [TS]

01:30:16   like five the macbook escape got six [TS]

01:30:21   hours and 20 minutes so it actually does [TS]

01:30:24   get as reported by some you know I guess [TS]

01:30:27   now that I have the script i can [TS]

01:30:28   actually report battery life when I [TS]

01:30:30   write these reviews but it does get [TS]

01:30:33   better battery life than the one with [TS]

01:30:34   the touch bar on which makes some sense [TS]

01:30:37   i think because the touch bar never goes [TS]

01:30:39   off this script i have that you know [TS]

01:30:40   obviously have the machine set to not do [TS]

01:30:42   miss the display not dim it [TS]

01:30:43   automatically the touch bar is always on [TS]

01:30:46   because it seems to the computer that [TS]

01:30:48   the user is actively constantly never [TS]

01:30:50   stopping to use safari well it also i [TS]

01:30:53   think some people notice this when they [TS]

01:30:54   were first introduced that the specs are [TS]

01:30:55   widely different it would be odd that [TS]

01:30:56   they would get the same battery life [TS]

01:30:57   according to apple with those different [TS]

01:30:59   specs right the other crazy thing from [TS]

01:31:03   the consumer reports [TS]

01:31:04   yes that was very said that they said [TS]

01:31:07   that switching from safari to Chrome fix [TS]

01:31:10   the problem they got consistent results [TS]

01:31:12   and it got better results so it there [TS]

01:31:16   who knows what's going on there I've [TS]

01:31:18   still can't wait to hear the explanation [TS]

01:31:19   for this i still keep there's no i don't [TS]

01:31:22   care just no possible way that you can [TS]

01:31:24   load webpages for 18 hours on one of [TS]

01:31:27   these machines but the idea that [TS]

01:31:29   switching the chrome would fix it makes [TS]

01:31:31   no sense whatsoever because chrome is [TS]

01:31:33   widely known as a battery hog that the [TS]

01:31:35   one of the single biggest differences [TS]

01:31:37   between safari and chrome on the mac is [TS]

01:31:39   that chrome is not optimized for battery [TS]

01:31:42   life and safari is optimized possibly as [TS]

01:31:46   its single highest priority for battery [TS]

01:31:48   life like I don't know that there's a [TS]

01:31:49   single priority on Apple's WebKit Safari [TS]

01:31:51   team higher than maximizing battery life [TS]

01:31:54   it is a grade 1 priority there is ZERO [TS]

01:31:59   regression jihad right and la lo and [TS]

01:32:04   behold I tried the sack same battery [TS]

01:32:05   test with chrome I same URLs same delay [TS]

01:32:09   between scrolling all I did was change [TS]

01:32:13   tell application safari to you know you [TS]

01:32:19   know and then here's the the repeat you [TS]

01:32:21   know very simple script i will publish [TS]

01:32:22   it so [TS]

01:32:23   that people can reproduce the results [TS]

01:32:24   all I did was change the tail target [TS]

01:32:26   from tell application safari to tell [TS]

01:32:28   application google chrome that's the [TS]

01:32:31   only change yeah everything else [TS]

01:32:32   actually there's no other change that's [TS]

01:32:34   needed to the even Apple script it's the [TS]

01:32:36   command is very simple it's just open [TS]

01:32:37   location and then you put the URL as a [TS]

01:32:40   string and it open so you don't even [TS]

01:32:41   have to change that the battery life lo [TS]

01:32:44   and behold was only two-thirds as long [TS]

01:32:48   as with safari went from you know four [TS]

01:32:50   hours and change the three hours and [TS]

01:32:52   change and you divide one over the other [TS]

01:32:54   and came out to like points64 points65 [TS]

01:32:56   it was almost exactly two thirds of the [TS]

01:32:59   thirty-three percent drop off and [TS]

01:33:00   battery switching the chrome I always [TS]

01:33:02   gonna get in your macbook i try i do [TS]

01:33:04   Chrome for a day and it's a without fail [TS]

01:33:06   it's an hour-and-a-half less battery [TS]

01:33:08   life for me thats it thats exactly fits [TS]

01:33:11   with my this the little simple test that [TS]

01:33:15   Iran and now I'm not even saying that [TS]

01:33:17   this is a great the world's greatest [TS]

01:33:18   battery test all i can say is that it's [TS]

01:33:21   as close as i can come to approximating [TS]

01:33:23   what consumer reports says they did and [TS]

01:33:25   i don't think it's an unreasonable [TS]

01:33:26   battery test know and fairly reasonable [TS]

01:33:29   to me what was so odd to me with this [TS]

01:33:30   whole situation is one that consumer [TS]

01:33:32   reports would be happy enough with those [TS]

01:33:33   results to publish them instead of [TS]

01:33:35   becoming super positive super inquire [TS]

01:33:37   why am I getting these results i need to [TS]

01:33:39   understand these before I try to explain [TS]

01:33:41   it to somebody else and also we find out [TS]

01:33:43   again on Twitter no Marco has mentioned [TS]

01:33:45   this before is that we're really bad [TS]

01:33:47   with multiple truths like the the [TS]

01:33:49   battery could not live up to apples [TS]

01:33:51   expectations and it could be shitty test [TS]

01:33:52   both those things could be true [TS]

01:33:54   consumer reports did nothing to sort of [TS]

01:33:56   convinced me that the shitty test part 1 [TS]

01:33:57   part of it i will say though that my [TS]

01:34:00   tests show that these the new macbook [TS]

01:34:03   pros are getting better battery life [TS]

01:34:04   consistently at least an hour more than [TS]

01:34:06   my 2014 13 inch macbook pro now that [TS]

01:34:10   said yes my 2014 macbook pro which I [TS]

01:34:12   personally own is two years old almost [TS]

01:34:15   to exactly two years old and I've used [TS]

01:34:18   it a lot over two years and the [TS]

01:34:20   batteries no batteries two-year-old [TS]

01:34:23   batteries that have been used for two [TS]

01:34:24   years do not behave as well as brand-new [TS]

01:34:26   batteries and i'm sure it's quite [TS]

01:34:28   certain that that very same machine that [TS]

01:34:31   i own probably would have scored [TS]

01:34:32   significantly better if if I tested it [TS]

01:34:34   two years ago so it may happy and [TS]

01:34:37   Apple sits and apples 22 year-old apples [TS]

01:34:39   comparison but i will say it is an hour [TS]

01:34:42   longer so if I were to switch today from [TS]

01:34:47   my 2014 macbook pro to the new one with [TS]

01:34:49   touch bar I would expect to get a an [TS]

01:34:51   hour more battery life of active active [TS]

01:34:54   use totally and I mean there's there's a [TS]

01:34:56   lot of things again to unpack your one [TS]

01:34:57   is that Apple famously a few years ago [TS]

01:34:59   change the way they measured battery [TS]

01:35:00   life and resulted in significantly [TS]

01:35:02   better battery estimates people just [TS]

01:35:04   remark that Apple's became super solid [TS]

01:35:05   but times keep changing and I think [TS]

01:35:07   Apple does have to update these again [TS]

01:35:08   and we saw that with iphone devices [TS]

01:35:10   recently too because it's not back like [TS]

01:35:13   the Steve Jobs days when he did when he [TS]

01:35:14   started going through web pages it was [TS]

01:35:16   the New York Times and apple com [TS]

01:35:18   and that's just not how people don't [TS]

01:35:20   just check email and the web now anymore [TS]

01:35:22   they've got snapchat and Facebook and [TS]

01:35:25   pokemon go and apps that keep the screen [TS]

01:35:27   lit up and keep the radios fire to keep [TS]

01:35:29   gps on all the time and are [TS]

01:35:31   significantly higher battery drains and [TS]

01:35:33   this is what this is what a lot of [TS]

01:35:34   normal people are using then then just [TS]

01:35:36   looking at web pages are male and the [TS]

01:35:38   same is true on the mac depending on [TS]

01:35:39   which sites you choose to load these can [TS]

01:35:41   have you know and i decide i run is [TS]

01:35:43   guilty of this is anybody if they don't [TS]

01:35:45   get loaded tractor which will load a [TS]

01:35:46   tracker and every once in a while I get [TS]

01:35:48   one that just goes 50 or 80 levels deep [TS]

01:35:50   and killed every year guilt here than [TS]

01:35:52   most [TS]

01:35:53   yes guilty than most sure hey maybe [TS]

01:35:56   maybe my site was the consumer reports [TS]

01:35:58   killed the macbook I don't do wonder i [TS]

01:36:00   think that that might explain the bit of [TS]

01:36:02   some of the variability that ice I've [TS]

01:36:05   seen in my own testing here is that even [TS]

01:36:08   loading the same 25 URLs every time you [TS]

01:36:10   can get different ad trackers and it [TS]

01:36:12   certainly see you certainly see if you [TS]

01:36:14   ever look in activity monitor and you [TS]

01:36:16   see one safari process you know because [TS]

01:36:20   each tab in modern safari gets its own [TS]

01:36:22   process and you can see them [TS]

01:36:25   individually an activity monitor and if [TS]

01:36:26   you see one for I more that's taking 1.2 [TS]

01:36:31   gigabytes of RAM that's you're like wow [TS]

01:36:34   that's weird because I've got three I [TS]

01:36:35   more tabs open and only one of them is [TS]

01:36:38   using this it's something like that it [TS]

01:36:40   totally and again like the there's no [TS]

01:36:43   indication that they were like use that [TS]

01:36:44   the photos agent could spin up or [TS]

01:36:46   spotlight indexer could spit up and [TS]

01:36:49   as various processes that are running in [TS]

01:36:51   the background that could have profound [TS]

01:36:52   impact on what the battery life is and [TS]

01:36:54   there was no indication that controlled [TS]

01:36:55   for that either [TS]

01:36:56   yeah so it's you know a lot of hello [TS]

01:36:59   blue about nothing and again as you said [TS]

01:37:01   the market pointed out that doesn't mean [TS]

01:37:02   that the battery life on these things is [TS]

01:37:04   great but from my testing it doesn't [TS]

01:37:07   seem to be bad and also it also doesn't [TS]

01:37:10   put aside the fact that there are [TS]

01:37:11   definitely there were definitely bugs in [TS]

01:37:14   10-point 12.1 across the board and i [TS]

01:37:17   think in particular in safari there was [TS]

01:37:20   something going on there and I've heard [TS]

01:37:23   from people at Apple that some of the [TS]

01:37:24   people you know and ended again be if [TS]

01:37:26   you're out there and you've got a [TS]

01:37:27   macbook pro and you've had it you're [TS]

01:37:29   really really sad or just pointing [TS]

01:37:31   battery life i'm not saying that that's [TS]

01:37:33   not true and I know that there are [TS]

01:37:34   people out there I i know that there are [TS]

01:37:36   people at Apple those who are a hundred [TS]

01:37:37   percent convinced hundred percent that [TS]

01:37:39   its software and that it's easily [TS]

01:37:41   fixable and will be fixed and it's not [TS]

01:37:43   hardware that they might have hit a [TS]

01:37:45   couple edge cases and one of the last [TS]

01:37:46   greatly skew the results and again [TS]

01:37:48   instead of attending part to me that i [TS]

01:37:50   dislike about the modern internet and it [TS]

01:37:52   it's similar like when Apple remove the [TS]

01:37:54   time remaining indicator two-story look [TS]

01:37:56   we lost the battery life story all the [TS]

01:37:57   time about the battery life indicator [TS]

01:37:59   and this was about the headline Consumer [TS]

01:38:00   Reports can't recommend the macbook [TS]

01:38:02   there could be an issue with the battery [TS]

01:38:04   life and that gets totally lost and [TS]

01:38:05   you've got a lot of the same tweets that [TS]

01:38:07   I did and when we do just raised [TS]

01:38:08   questions about this year called an [TS]

01:38:09   apologist or mad or something else but [TS]

01:38:12   to me these are legitimate questions [TS]

01:38:13   because i actually want to know about [TS]

01:38:14   the battery life I really don't care [TS]

01:38:15   about the rest of it i just want an [TS]

01:38:17   answer on that [TS]

01:38:18   yeah i agree so anyway I think that the [TS]

01:38:22   consumer reports blew it on this [TS]

01:38:24   I you know anyway you'll hear more from [TS]

01:38:26   me on the battery test and i will [TS]

01:38:27   publish the script and people can run it [TS]

01:38:30   themselves and I do hope anyone in this [TS]

01:38:31   you know this is my speculation but i do [TS]

01:38:33   think that consumer reports got a taste [TS]

01:38:34   for what [TS]

01:38:35   big big attention is because they [TS]

01:38:37   they're battling for relevance now their [TS]

01:38:38   sites like wire cutter there's a whole [TS]

01:38:39   internet out there it used to be just [TS]

01:38:41   consumer reports and now they have to [TS]

01:38:43   compete with a bunch of the size and [TS]

01:38:44   resolution in this industry and with [TS]

01:38:46   antennagate they saw a ton of attention [TS]

01:38:48   and then after that we got the weird [TS]

01:38:50   sort of Bend gate stuff from them and [TS]

01:38:52   then last year it was the samsung galaxy [TS]

01:38:53   active water retention and it just feels [TS]

01:38:56   like they're testing to see where they [TS]

01:38:58   can regain relevancy with these things [TS]

01:39:00   and I think that that leave them to [TS]

01:39:02   publish our [TS]

01:39:02   chuckles that aren't always in the best [TS]

01:39:03   interest of their consumers yeah you [TS]

01:39:06   know I know one last thing I will point [TS]

01:39:07   out and this is the thing where I feel [TS]

01:39:09   like the most screwed the pooch is bike [TS]

01:39:12   by publishing on friday when they did [TS]

01:39:14   was that they tested multiple machines [TS]

01:39:18   and got the same inconsistent results on [TS]

01:39:20   all of them so I don't put it past the [TS]

01:39:23   possibility that a very you know an [TS]

01:39:25   early production model of of one of [TS]

01:39:28   these machines could be a lemon and [TS]

01:39:29   would produce wildly different results [TS]

01:39:32   that's certainly possible but the odds [TS]

01:39:36   that you would buy three and all three [TS]

01:39:39   would exhibit the same bizarre behavior [TS]

01:39:41   and like nobody else is seeing the [TS]

01:39:44   wildly divergent the battery life like [TS]

01:39:47   that between runs [TS]

01:39:49   I mean it for you not to 41 not to [TS]

01:39:52   suspect that the problem is with the [TS]

01:39:54   tests and not with the machines boggles [TS]

01:39:55   the mind [TS]

01:39:56   yeah again if it was just one device and [TS]

01:39:59   and you got that boy had it you know [TS]

01:40:01   that seems possible but it three devices [TS]

01:40:05   that mean it'sit's you know like that [TS]

01:40:06   scene in casino when De Niro's berating [TS]

01:40:09   the hay because 332 slot machines in a [TS]

01:40:12   row he gave out a jackpot and he didn't [TS]

01:40:15   suspect that they were being scanned and [TS]

01:40:17   not totally and again we have an antec [TS]

01:40:19   we have are technically have a lot of [TS]

01:40:20   sites that you really really good work [TS]

01:40:23   with battery test and there's a lot of [TS]

01:40:24   things that you can check these results [TS]

01:40:25   with ya [TS]

01:40:26   alright let me take a break and thank [TS]

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01:41:47   it is nothing to it I at the prices that [TS]

01:41:50   they sell them at for about a hundred [TS]

01:41:52   bucks a pair you can get two or three [TS]

01:41:54   pairs of glasses instead of just having [TS]

01:41:56   one would be going to do it like your [TS]

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01:41:59   they also sell sunglasses they started [TS]

01:42:01   95 bucks including polarized lenses and [TS]

01:42:04   with a prescription they started a [TS]

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01:42:10   wearing a pair of war by glasses as i [TS]

01:42:12   read this there i think three years old [TS]

01:42:14   I don't know but they're like new and [TS]

01:42:17   I'd they're in perfect shape still like [TS]

01:42:20   love that tryon program I've got another [TS]

01:42:24   pair upstairs that I've just because I [TS]

01:42:28   like these so much i got another pair [TS]

01:42:29   just keeping the Box case I ever break [TS]

01:42:31   these really you need eyeglasses go to [TS]

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01:42:53   gotta wrap it up soon i got i got dinner [TS]

01:42:54   plans for me i don't know about you I [TS]

01:42:56   know and you're going to get sick soon [TS]

01:42:58   apologies to Caleb so let's cover the [TS]

01:43:01   entire year in five minutes okay [TS]

01:43:03   the Year in Review 2016 I I'm i thought [TS]

01:43:06   was what are your favorite products of [TS]

01:43:08   the year and I my two favorite products [TS]

01:43:09   of the year very easy number one the [TS]

01:43:12   winner for product of the year is air [TS]

01:43:14   pods and number two the iphone 7 [TS]

01:43:18   I've already talked I've written i wrote [TS]

01:43:20   a huge review the iphone 7 I don't need [TS]

01:43:21   to say why I like it but i will just [TS]

01:43:25   point out this I as the time goes on I [TS]

01:43:27   get more used to my iphone 7 I i really [TS]

01:43:31   like to kind of hope that if it's true [TS]

01:43:34   that they go bezel is that the whole [TS]

01:43:35   device will shrink and it will become [TS]

01:43:37   even smaller in my hand I mean I'm an [TS]

01:43:39   iphone 7 person I from seven plus i'd [TS]

01:43:41   love to have an iphone SE sighs device [TS]

01:43:44   or almost iphone SE sighs device and [TS]

01:43:46   just have the whole thing be a display [TS]

01:43:48   but even so i've been using this seven [TS]

01:43:51   size for so long but i love the little [TS]

01:43:54   things that they've done differently in [TS]

01:43:55   this to call it exactly the same [TS]

01:43:57   industrial design is it's just not true [TS]

01:43:59   yes it's very very similar it is [TS]

01:44:01   familiar and i will also point out three [TS]

01:44:06   months in that my jet black used with no [TS]

01:44:10   case iphone 7 still looks fantastic [TS]

01:44:14   yes there are scratches not just fine [TS]

01:44:16   whatever they call them here whatever [TS]

01:44:18   they call those micro operations there [TS]

01:44:20   are plenty of micro operations which are [TS]

01:44:22   impossible to see unless you really tilt [TS]

01:44:24   exactly the right and look for it but [TS]

01:44:26   there are also i don't even know when [TS]

01:44:28   this happened about an inch down and a [TS]

01:44:32   half an inch to the right of the apple [TS]

01:44:33   logo there are some like serious [TS]

01:44:35   scratches on it you can't see them even [TS]

01:44:38   this actual scratch scratches you can't [TS]

01:44:40   see them unless you really look for it [TS]

01:44:42   I don't and I don't care it's fine i [TS]

01:44:44   love it it's the it feels so great in my [TS]

01:44:47   hand it is not slippery it wasn't [TS]

01:44:49   slippery when it was hot [TS]

01:44:51   I've been in the three months I've had [TS]

01:44:53   it I've been in the tropics i have been [TS]

01:44:55   in freezing sub-freezing East Coast [TS]

01:44:59   whether it's not slippery when your [TS]

01:45:01   hands are cold it's not slippery when [TS]

01:45:03   your hands are hot it's not slippery at [TS]

01:45:05   room temperature and I i do i've been [TS]

01:45:09   i've taken some amazing photographs with [TS]

01:45:11   the camera so iphone 7 my second [TS]

01:45:13   favorite product in here [TS]

01:45:14   what about you what's your favorite [TS]

01:45:16   products with you you know i would say [TS]

01:45:18   the iphone 7 plus it's because I've been [TS]

01:45:19   on the plus since first came out I just [TS]

01:45:21   love the larger screen because to me it [TS]

01:45:23   really it becomes a primary computing [TS]

01:45:25   device and I can do everything that my [TS]

01:45:26   job almost everything my job needs me to [TS]

01:45:28   do right from my iphone and especially [TS]

01:45:30   with the camera system [TS]

01:45:32   the the lens fusion on the iphone 7 plus [TS]

01:45:34   i used to shoot everything for I more [TS]

01:45:36   with DSLR and i haven't used one since [TS]

01:45:39   this phone came out and yeah there's [TS]

01:45:41   some gray and a lot of the pictures but [TS]

01:45:43   I'm taking photos I never thought I [TS]

01:45:45   would be able to take it just photos [TS]

01:45:46   that I could never have taken with [TS]

01:45:47   previous generation iphones and to me [TS]

01:45:50   that's a huge huge improvement but [TS]

01:45:52   because we already picked iphone I'm [TS]

01:45:54   gonna go with the 9.7 inch iPad pro [TS]

01:45:56   because it has all of the benefits of [TS]

01:45:59   the big ipad pro its but it's even more [TS]

01:46:02   of sort of this hybrid computer I no [TS]

01:46:04   other companies have been making these [TS]

01:46:05   convertible computers for years but to [TS]

01:46:07   me Apple really nailed it with this [TS]

01:46:09   because you have the keyboard and you [TS]

01:46:10   can sit there and in a coffee shop or on [TS]

01:46:12   an airplane train table a tray table and [TS]

01:46:14   and type and within two or three minutes [TS]

01:46:16   i forget i'm typing on a piece of laser [TS]

01:46:18   blade taffeta and i just type and it's [TS]

01:46:20   great and then you can pull it off and [TS]

01:46:22   sit back and use it like an ipad air 2 [TS]

01:46:24   its exact same basic size shape and wait [TS]

01:46:26   and watch movies or play games or do [TS]

01:46:29   those things and forget that a few [TS]

01:46:30   seconds ago it was basically like a [TS]

01:46:32   little laptop computer and then you add [TS]

01:46:34   in that the decent camera system on that [TS]

01:46:36   which is as good as a previous [TS]

01:46:37   generation iphone a true tone display [TS]

01:46:39   which I hope you know Apple really [TS]

01:46:41   refine that and put it everywhere and it [TS]

01:46:43   just it it makes a really great product [TS]

01:46:46   I the true tone display I'm a little [TS]

01:46:48   disappointed that it didn't get into the [TS]

01:46:51   iphone 7 and I see why because it [TS]

01:46:53   actually requires additional sensors [TS]

01:46:55   yeah and that space is at a premium and [TS]

01:46:58   you know I i get it i but i love the [TS]

01:47:01   two-tone display so much and I thought [TS]

01:47:04   that the towel was when when when they [TS]

01:47:06   introduced it back in March Schiller [TS]

01:47:07   said once you see it you can get you [TS]

01:47:09   know you can't do without it I thought [TS]

01:47:11   that man is coming in the iphone because [TS]

01:47:13   and maybe it was back then [TS]

01:47:14   yeah maybe I don't know but it is it [TS]

01:47:17   it's one of those neat ways that it in [TS]

01:47:21   the old days I mean old days you know [TS]

01:47:23   but the early days of the ipad the [TS]

01:47:25   iphone was always a full step ahead [TS]

01:47:27   it was the first to have everything [TS]

01:47:29   first to get the new a series whatever [TS]

01:47:31   first to get touch ID with the ipad pro [TS]

01:47:34   the ipad is sort of in some ways a half [TS]

01:47:37   a step ahead of the iphone right the [TS]

01:47:39   iphone right now as we speak has the [TS]

01:47:41   newer a series processor and does have a [TS]

01:47:44   better cam [TS]

01:47:44   but it's the 9.7 inch iPad pro that has [TS]

01:47:48   the truck display and the true tone is [TS]

01:47:49   not a gimmick it is it is a real thing [TS]

01:47:52   like it actually I i really do it [TS]

01:47:56   bothers me when I use it at night in [TS]

01:47:58   particular and then look at my iphone [TS]

01:48:00   and because it makes my iphone look like [TS]

01:48:01   it's miss colored I was hoping they'd [TS]

01:48:03   figure out some great way to use the [TS]

01:48:05   sensors on the ipad mini to say if you [TS]

01:48:06   have any idea how to approach you had it [TS]

01:48:08   it would just copy that display profile [TS]

01:48:10   to all the other devices that you have [TS]

01:48:11   on your account no ipad pro is a great [TS]

01:48:14   device the other thing i think that is [TS]

01:48:16   historically you know if we want to [TS]

01:48:19   listen to this if somebody's listening [TS]

01:48:20   to this 10 years in the future like to [TS]

01:48:23   me the the ipad pro is an inflection [TS]

01:48:26   point where they're a series arm [TS]

01:48:30   processors past Intel's low-power [TS]

01:48:34   processors the ones used in the regular [TS]

01:48:36   macbook the ipad Monroe I know it's you [TS]

01:48:40   know apples to oranges because its iOS [TS]

01:48:42   vs mac OS but the fact that like you can [TS]

01:48:45   get you get better geekbench scores on [TS]

01:48:47   the ipad compared to the macbook is is [TS]

01:48:50   in hindsight I i really think it's it's [TS]

01:48:52   an inflection point because i think it's [TS]

01:48:54   only going to get its going to diverge [TS]

01:48:56   even more and I don't you know we don't [TS]

01:48:59   have time for discussion of whether [TS]

01:49:00   Apple's ever going to switch to those [TS]

01:49:02   chips in the macbooks but it it's it [TS]

01:49:06   given where the ipad started in 2011 or [TS]

01:49:10   2010 where it was I mean there's all [TS]

01:49:12   sorts of things to love about the [TS]

01:49:14   original iPad it was a popular product [TS]

01:49:16   was useful i liked it but you'd never [TS]

01:49:19   say well it's faster than a Mac yeah and [TS]

01:49:22   this one with the with the latest [TS]

01:49:24   generation macbook the m3 version was [TS]

01:49:26   choking on a single stream of 4k video [TS]

01:49:29   for me where the ipad pro could fly on [TS]

01:49:32   three streams and you just never you [TS]

01:49:34   know at one thing and I want you know [TS]

01:49:36   just to go back to the previous segment [TS]

01:49:38   where I would you know why use loading a [TS]

01:49:41   bunch of tabs over and over again as a [TS]

01:49:42   benchmark it is a something real people [TS]

01:49:47   do is load pages and web browser tabs [TS]

01:49:51   but be it's easy to forget that [TS]

01:49:53   rendering web pages is computationally [TS]

01:49:56   expensive [TS]

01:49:57   it is really really like WebKit and and [TS]

01:50:00   chrome and those things they do an [TS]

01:50:02   incredible amount of its CPU intensive [TS]

01:50:05   to render HTML models modern HTML with [TS]

01:50:08   all the JavaScript and everything that's [TS]

01:50:09   going on and you see it on the ipad pro [TS]

01:50:13   like when you browse the web on the ipad [TS]

01:50:14   pro it's like it just feels fast where [TS]

01:50:17   it you know in the early years of the [TS]

01:50:18   ipad it was nice to read web pages on [TS]

01:50:20   the ipad but it wasn't nice to load [TS]

01:50:22   webpages on the ipad are all [TS]

01:50:24   checkerboard friend that we couldn't [TS]

01:50:25   keep up it will show you that until it [TS]

01:50:27   finally under the page and now I never [TS]

01:50:29   see that I and airports my number one is [TS]

01:50:33   air pods which I that can't i still have [TS]

01:50:36   to do a review and I was sort of waiting [TS]

01:50:38   for production ones I was uneasy with [TS]

01:50:43   the emphasis Apple placed on the these [TS]

01:50:46   are pre-production prototypes on the [TS]

01:50:47   ones they gave us back in October I was [TS]

01:50:49   uneasy writing of authoritative review [TS]

01:50:52   about them especially once it became [TS]

01:50:54   clear that there was some sort of delay [TS]

01:50:56   that we didn't know what it was with the [TS]

01:50:59   production one to be different i have to [TS]

01:51:01   say in real life I think the battery [TS]

01:51:03   life is a little worse on the production [TS]

01:51:06   once but it could be it could be a [TS]

01:51:07   placebo effect i don't know i don't know [TS]

01:51:09   if you've noticed that but i would say [TS]

01:51:10   it it's just a little bit it's more like [TS]

01:51:14   I don't know maybe it's like they run [TS]

01:51:18   that the actual airport seem to run down [TS]

01:51:20   a little bit more noticeably but the [TS]

01:51:23   case seems to hold the same amount of [TS]

01:51:24   charge [TS]

01:51:25   I i spent a lot of time trying to figure [TS]

01:51:26   out differences and I was like is this [TS]

01:51:27   magnet just a little bit magnet or maybe [TS]

01:51:29   other ones were not know named Agnes [TS]

01:51:31   don't wear out it's just a little bit [TS]

01:51:32   more and just try to figure out what was [TS]

01:51:33   different but my usage has been almost [TS]

01:51:35   identical I can't think of anything [TS]

01:51:36   that's significantly different from [TS]

01:51:38   right but you know other but the battery [TS]

01:51:41   from getting on these production model [TS]

01:51:43   ones is still terrific and so much [TS]

01:51:45   better than the old beats pre w100 yeah [TS]

01:51:50   headphones i had it's mind-boggling [TS]

01:51:52   those i have to decide to charge like my [TS]

01:51:54   phone like everyday and if I didn't I [TS]

01:51:55   wouldn't be able to get through a run [TS]

01:51:57   with with the charge these you just [TS]

01:51:59   haven't plugged them in i've been [TS]

01:52:00   testing it how long this lasts i haven't [TS]

01:52:03   plugged the Lightning into the case and [TS]

01:52:05   see where ground here [TS]

01:52:07   so right now i think after like five [TS]

01:52:10   days my air pods are a hundred percent [TS]

01:52:12   and the cases at fifteen percent so i [TS]

01:52:14   have to plug it in soon i guess but i [TS]

01:52:17   can take their parts out right now [TS]

01:52:18   there's a hundred percent and I haven't [TS]

01:52:19   I haven't plug this in and days and days [TS]

01:52:21   and days i'm the same way my cases I [TS]

01:52:22   think it's seven percent right now that [TS]

01:52:24   I alternate two weeks i usually listen [TS]

01:52:25   to podcasts audiobooks I almost always [TS]

01:52:27   only have one in india time and I just [TS]

01:52:29   alternate between them at last four days [TS]

01:52:31   alright I have an important tip for all [TS]

01:52:33   of you who have their pots already or [TS]

01:52:35   who are waiting for them to arrive [TS]

01:52:38   I've seen one of the complaints I've see [TS]

01:52:39   now that they've shipped to real people [TS]

01:52:40   as I've seen people say that they're [TS]

01:52:41   hard to get out of the case because [TS]

01:52:44   they're little stairs slippery white [TS]

01:52:46   plastic and people are pinching them and [TS]

01:52:48   pulling them and the magnet that sucks [TS]

01:52:50   the man is fighting them and let's be a [TS]

01:52:53   little gross after you use them for a [TS]

01:52:54   while they pick up some ear wax right [TS]

01:52:56   they're only going to get slippery don't [TS]

01:52:59   pinch them to take them out of the case [TS]

01:53:00   put your finger like your index finger [TS]

01:53:02   or your thumb right in the middle [TS]

01:53:04   between the two [TS]

01:53:05   in other words put your finger right [TS]

01:53:06   over the the light that lights up and [TS]

01:53:08   just press them to the outside and they [TS]

01:53:11   just pop right out [TS]

01:53:12   you don't have to pinch it's a [TS]

01:53:13   one-finger thing you just put your [TS]

01:53:15   finger in the middle pushed to the side [TS]

01:53:17   and they just pop right out [TS]

01:53:18   so there's my my hot tip of the day for [TS]

01:53:21   airport users i love these things they [TS]

01:53:23   are exactly there everything I love [TS]

01:53:25   about Apple they it's it's the best [TS]

01:53:28   purest apple product i can think of in [TS]

01:53:30   years [TS]

01:53:31   everything about them the way they work [TS]

01:53:33   the way they pair the integration [TS]

01:53:34   between hardware and software the way [TS]

01:53:37   that they've solved the pairing problem [TS]

01:53:39   the way they've improved it the the way [TS]

01:53:43   the case is sort of the most Jony ive [TS]

01:53:45   design thing [TS]

01:53:46   yeah at first I think of anything that [TS]

01:53:48   Apple's ever made ever get it you know [TS]

01:53:51   people pointed out the turnaround looks [TS]

01:53:52   a little bit like Eve mall which johnny [TS]

01:53:55   I've consulted on the the tactile [TS]

01:53:59   sensation the fun of just clicking the [TS]

01:54:02   case and having it shut and briefly [TS]

01:54:06   briefly there was a thing that you see [TS]

01:54:07   this thing this week where people have [TS]

01:54:08   speculated that the that the case was [TS]

01:54:12   originally going to use USBC instead of [TS]

01:54:14   lightning because when you put the [TS]

01:54:15   lightning cable and you can kind of see [TS]

01:54:18   the the sides a little bit of you know [TS]

01:54:21   like the slot and if you just pulled the [TS]

01:54:25   USBC cable up it looks like it's the [TS]

01:54:27   same with and people at loaves and so [TS]

01:54:30   that guess the idea is that Apple made [TS]

01:54:32   millions of these cases with a slot [TS]

01:54:34   meant for us bc on the jacket on [TS]

01:54:37   I hate this so much because this is [TS]

01:54:38   what's exactly wrong with the internet [TS]

01:54:40   didn't know know if you if you actually [TS]

01:54:42   take the airport and you put a knife [TS]

01:54:43   underneath it it is exactly the same [TS]

01:54:46   port right you if you don't see the gap [TS]

01:54:49   between the sides of the cable and the [TS]

01:54:51   the slot on the iPhone because the [TS]

01:54:53   iphones darker it's the fact that yes is [TS]

01:54:55   why that makes it noticeable but people [TS]

01:54:58   blog that I mean someone put them on [TS]

01:55:00   Twitter and people and I had to go and [TS]

01:55:01   write an article saying know if you [TS]

01:55:03   actually look at it and you know I i [TS]

01:55:05   have to go to bed an hour late that [TS]

01:55:06   night because i have to write that [TS]

01:55:07   article everything is that the with the [TS]

01:55:09   the with matches up exactly with the [TS]

01:55:12   width of us bc which is curious except [TS]

01:55:14   for the fact that USBC is just a vaguely [TS]

01:55:16   lightning [TS]

01:55:17   sighs port so of course it's similar but [TS]

01:55:19   because it's exactly the same with then [TS]

01:55:22   it means it's not wide enough for it to [TS]

01:55:23   fit know the whole has to be wider than [TS]

01:55:26   the the plug and please don't try to [TS]

01:55:29   force it because you're the italy right [TS]

01:55:30   bad don't don't follow and then the [TS]

01:55:32   second factor is that height wise in [TS]

01:55:35   other words how thick you know not how [TS]

01:55:37   wide the plug is about how thick it is [TS]

01:55:39   it's nowhere near it's nowhere near a [TS]

01:55:44   wide enough for us bc you can't even fit [TS]

01:55:47   the corner of a USBC cable into this [TS]

01:55:49   socket it's nowhere near wide enough [TS]

01:55:51   yeah I heard it it's complete nonsense [TS]

01:55:53   i'm not gonna waste any more time on [TS]

01:55:55   there's absolutely zero truth this and [TS]

01:55:57   you just proved it just by trying to fit [TS]

01:56:00   the corner of a USBC thing in there but [TS]

01:56:02   the second thing is that if Apple [TS]

01:56:04   switched from us bc 2 r2 lightning they [TS]

01:56:07   would have changed the size of the port [TS]

01:56:10   in hardware like that's not like they [TS]

01:56:12   make 50 million cases before they make [TS]

01:56:15   50 million internals it's though it is [TS]

01:56:18   exactly the Lightning port that they [TS]

01:56:20   have used for devices going back from [TS]

01:56:21   the beginning of light and there is no [TS]

01:56:23   difference [TS]

01:56:23   it's a nonsense center in its its its [TS]

01:56:25   equivalent fake news it's i forget what [TS]

01:56:27   Fraser Spears called it manufactured [TS]

01:56:29   controversy right [TS]

01:56:30   yes exactly everybody loves a conspiracy [TS]

01:56:34   even if the conspiracy is that they [TS]

01:56:35   switched from USB see the lightning [TS]

01:56:37   ya know never happened and I I'd can't [TS]

01:56:39   imagine how hard the eyes rolled at [TS]

01:56:40   apple and if this even may die but they [TS]

01:56:42   probably just looked at the internet and [TS]

01:56:43   closed it at that point they're all [TS]

01:56:45   right anymore one more product from you [TS]

01:56:47   what you got [TS]

01:56:48   i watch us 3i think just to get on the [TS]

01:56:49   software side because he took even the [TS]

01:56:51   original apple watch the series 0 and [TS]

01:56:53   made it so much more responsive and so [TS]

01:56:55   much more alive and yes they spent you [TS]

01:56:57   know battery life and memory to do it [TS]

01:56:59   but it sort of showed the refinement of [TS]

01:57:01   what watch us could be when they when [TS]

01:57:02   they sort of focus down on it yeah [TS]

01:57:04   that's as it's a great pic i think [TS]

01:57:06   there's a top-four that that is at the [TS]

01:57:09   Year in Review [TS]

01:57:10   I think it's a perfect top for I [TS]

01:57:11   probably wouldn't have picked watch os3 [TS]

01:57:13   just cuz it wouldnt popped into my mind [TS]

01:57:14   but once you said it was like oh yes [TS]

01:57:17   definitely and I I'd i think that the [TS]

01:57:19   fact that it made the the original [TS]

01:57:21   series 0 watches so much better is the [TS]

01:57:24   best example of it it's that it's not [TS]

01:57:26   just an improvement for the new hardware [TS]

01:57:27   but that if you already own an Apple [TS]

01:57:29   watch my recommendation is strongly know [TS]

01:57:31   there's no reason for you to buy a new [TS]

01:57:33   one yes the new ones are nice [TS]

01:57:34   improvement especially the brighter [TS]

01:57:36   displays but unless your biggest [TS]

01:57:38   complaint with your original apple watch [TS]

01:57:39   is that you can't read the display and [TS]

01:57:41   sunlight if if that's a frequent problem [TS]

01:57:43   for you [TS]

01:57:43   the new one might be worth it but that's [TS]

01:57:45   the one and only reason i'll add one [TS]

01:57:47   more and that is the 30-millimeter if [TS]

01:57:48   you have trouble getting a day of [TS]

01:57:50   battery life with work out the [TS]

01:57:51   30-millimeter series 2 is much better [TS]

01:57:53   for four workouts [TS]

01:57:54   yeah that is that was a problem and [TS]

01:57:56   maybe watching us three didn't solve it [TS]

01:57:58   but anyway it's a terrific update [TS]

01:58:00   because it's not just fix this thing [TS]

01:58:01   doesn't just make things better but it [TS]

01:58:02   really shows a thorough rethinking of of [TS]

01:58:07   the way that everything about the [TS]

01:58:08   interface of the watch and it was [TS]

01:58:10   involved them humbly stepping back from [TS]

01:58:15   some things like no we have guessed the [TS]

01:58:17   hardware button shouldn't just be a way [TS]

01:58:18   to doodle your friends it's totally yeah [TS]

01:58:21   so anyway that's a great pic anything [TS]

01:58:26   else Renee I mean it was it was a [TS]

01:58:30   jam-packed year and there's still a few [TS]

01:58:32   days left [TS]

01:58:33   I worried I as we speak the news of the [TS]

01:58:38   day is the sad passing of care yessir [TS]

01:58:41   and so I with the way things are going [TS]

01:58:43   with George Michael and Carrie Fisher [TS]

01:58:45   it's like I i really hope there is no [TS]

01:58:47   more news for the remainder of the year [TS]

01:58:49   because so far the year-end news has [TS]

01:58:53   been nothing but absolute garbage [TS]

01:58:56   yes yeah first the worst that the [TS]

01:58:58   universe can dump on us [TS]

01:58:59   I i made a a comment on Twitter [TS]

01:59:01   yesterday that i'm an optimist because i [TS]

01:59:03   have to be otherwise I just assume that [TS]

01:59:04   everyone was fleeing and that's the only [TS]

01:59:06   possible explanation I have anymore [TS]

01:59:08   Carrie Fisher seemed like a wonderful [TS]

01:59:09   person and and the fact that it's well i [TS]

01:59:14   mean i love the movies she's very funny [TS]

01:59:16   but the fact that she wore her mental [TS]

01:59:19   illness and our fights with that with [TS]

01:59:21   that honor sleep just was like proud of [TS]

01:59:23   it was at it it's so great and I've seen [TS]

01:59:28   so many people on Twitter who maybe have [TS]

01:59:30   to deal with some issues along those [TS]

01:59:31   lines that what how amazing it was to [TS]

01:59:33   have one of the most well-known [TS]

01:59:35   actresses in the world just be out there [TS]

01:59:38   and yeah I'm bipolar and you know that [TS]

01:59:41   that's deal with it and instead of you [TS]

01:59:44   know from decades past where that would [TS]

01:59:47   be like a source of shame what it what a [TS]

01:59:49   wonderful person and a wonderful life [TS]

01:59:51   and what had horrendous horrendous loss [TS]

01:59:55   you heard I at the age of 16 he was an [TS]

01:59:57   inspiration in so many ways I princess [TS]

01:59:59   leia was [TS]

01:59:59   leia was [TS]

02:00:00   just want a very small part of what you [TS]

02:00:01   contributed I can't help but then again [TS]

02:00:05   I don't mean to make light of the above [TS]

02:00:07   her dying but it has a star wars are you [TS]

02:00:10   can't help but think too good god this [TS]

02:00:12   is going to change the new trilogy [TS]

02:00:15   ya know what they're going to do ya mean [TS]

02:00:18   general legana was in many ways the full [TS]

02:00:21   the fullness of that character right and [TS]

02:00:23   how weird is it going to be next year [TS]

02:00:25   going to see episode 8 where she's in it [TS]

02:00:29   yeah and you know how sad that is [TS]

02:00:32   I don't know that i'm trying to think I [TS]

02:00:34   guess there was the Fast and Furious [TS]

02:00:35   movie were Paul whatever paul weller [TS]

02:00:38   diet in a car accident in between [TS]

02:00:41   filming I guess they weren't finished [TS]

02:00:42   filming it and added they had to bring [TS]

02:00:44   his brothers into you know if he [TS]

02:00:46   apparently had some brothers look like a [TS]

02:00:48   melody they came in and branches Leon [TS]

02:00:51   agro I mean this is just sort of your [TS]

02:00:53   rambles it's just going to be a real [TS]

02:00:54   kick in that mean forget about whatever [TS]

02:00:56   it means 4 episode 9 with whether she [TS]

02:00:58   was going to be in or not but it's just [TS]

02:00:59   going to be what a kick in the pants is [TS]

02:01:00   going to be again in a year when episode [TS]

02:01:02   8 comes out and all of a sudden the [TS]

02:01:03   first time you see on screen there's [TS]

02:01:05   that the sinking feeling in your gut of [TS]

02:01:08   you know who knows i got presumably i'm [TS]

02:01:11   just guessing i have no idea but no [TS]

02:01:13   spoilers this is just a guess but [TS]

02:01:14   presumably she's going to see Luke in [TS]

02:01:16   the movie and there's gonna be like a [TS]