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00:07:56   the the first of which was he was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/476">TS</a>]

00:07:58   allowed to have a band of more than four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/478">TS</a>]

00:08:00   members and he was not allowed to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/480">TS</a>]

00:08:02   more than I think for jokes in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/482">TS</a>]

00:08:04   opening monologue and several other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/484">TS</a>]

00:08:07   features that day would not be allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/487">TS</a>]

00:08:10   to have on his show less it remind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/490">TS</a>]

00:08:13   anybody of The Tonight Show Starring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/493">TS</a>]

00:08:15   Johnny cars i remember i don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17   the specific contract said but i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19   that there was is that I think was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/499">TS</a>]

00:08:21   time length on the monologue this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/501">TS</a>]

00:08:23   john gruber writer of daring fireball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/503">TS</a>]

00:08:24   with the monologue Dave just embraced it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/504">TS</a>]

00:08:27   like the the monologue on I thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/507">TS</a>]

00:08:29   people who are only familiar with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/509">TS</a>]

00:08:30   modern Letterman showed the late show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/510">TS</a>]

00:08:33   with they went back and watched some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/513">TS</a>]

00:08:36   the eighties ones with us like me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/516">TS</a>]

00:08:38   you would be dying and just crying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/518">TS</a>]

00:08:40   laughing and they would be like wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42   minute that was the monologue like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/522">TS</a>]

00:08:44   stupid jokes one of them which didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/524">TS</a>]

00:08:47   make any sense at all and David just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/527">TS</a>]

00:08:48   turn it and show his ass to America and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/528">TS</a>]

00:08:50   walk to his desk like three quick jokes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/530">TS</a>]

00:08:53   and be out and it was just sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/533">TS</a>]

00:08:55   the way David's attitude was the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/535">TS</a>]

00:08:57   made it seem as though we are legally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59   obligated to have a monologue but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/539">TS</a>]

00:09:01   here's here's your stupid monologue a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/541">TS</a>]

00:09:03   comedy of those early shows was that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/543">TS</a>]

00:09:04   bunch of people who were aware of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/544">TS</a>]

00:09:06   rules of television simply couldn't or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/546">TS</a>]

00:09:08   wouldn't follow them and would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/548">TS</a>]

00:09:10   acknowledge that fact explicitly and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/550">TS</a>]

00:09:13   believe that was how they opened the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   morning show they had been Larry but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/555">TS</a>]

00:09:17   Melman come on and say oh this week we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/557">TS</a>]

00:09:19   don't know why we allowed this to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/559">TS</a>]

00:09:22   please look away this is phillip michael [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/562">TS</a>]

00:09:23   who I've known since college where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   both said and wrote a lot of things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27   tried to be funny and a little hot to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/567">TS</a>]

00:09:30   the style of David Letterman because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/570">TS</a>]

00:09:32   Letterman I I you know started watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/572">TS</a>]

00:09:34   Ernie Kovacs reruns and again it even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/574">TS</a>]

00:09:39   though that was a show that was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/579">TS</a>]

00:09:40   decades earlier it looked like something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/580">TS</a>]

00:09:42   should not be allowed on television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44   because if they would just do the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/584">TS</a>]

00:09:46   these ridiculous things and and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/586">TS</a>]

00:09:50   send them abruptly move on to something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/590">TS</a>]

00:09:51   else and and I think I think there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/591">TS</a>]

00:09:54   certain genre of a show that appeals to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/594">TS</a>]

00:09:57   that that mindset Merrill marco who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/597">TS</a>]

00:10:01   his girlfriend and writer on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03   said hallelujah i mean we're delighted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/603">TS</a>]

00:10:07   to have these rules and restrictions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/607">TS</a>]

00:10:08   because it means we don't have to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/608">TS</a>]

00:10:11   Johnny Carson show means we were free to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/611">TS</a>]

00:10:13   go off and turn everything on its head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15   that's exactly what happened they may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/615">TS</a>]

00:10:17   have already been heading in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/617">TS</a>]

00:10:18   direction the Carson's edict that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/618">TS</a>]

00:10:20   Letterman Show not resemble his show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/620">TS</a>]

00:10:21   push them even further in the direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/621">TS</a>]

00:10:24   of making this absurd unshown a talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/624">TS</a>]

00:10:27   show that was a parody of itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/627">TS</a>]

00:10:29   anyone who grew up understanding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/629">TS</a>]

00:10:31   rules of television that even with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/631">TS</a>]

00:10:32   comedy it was serious business to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/632">TS</a>]

00:10:35   undertaken by professionals would see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/635">TS</a>]

00:10:37   Letterman Show and not quite understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/637">TS</a>]

00:10:38   what they were watching the man at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40   desk was an affable Midwestern a blazer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/640">TS</a>]

00:10:43   tie and slacks but also tennis shoes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/643">TS</a>]

00:10:46   his show was demolishing what we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/646">TS</a>]

00:10:48   thought were the rules of american [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/648">TS</a>]

00:10:50   television it was a pretty slippery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/650">TS</a>]

00:10:53   slope from 4-9 topical jokes in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/653">TS</a>]

00:10:55   monologue in a small band to Paul [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57   Shaffers rant storming out the door in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/657">TS</a>]

00:11:00   and chris elliott coming out from behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/660">TS</a>]

00:11:03   the seats and Dave puttin on a suit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/663">TS</a>]

00:11:05   sponges and jumping in a giant bowl of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/665">TS</a>]

00:11:08   rice krispies and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/668">TS</a>]

00:11:09   he decided he would raid everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/669">TS</a>]

00:11:11   else's talk show treasure chest first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/671">TS</a>]

00:11:14   and foremost Steve Allen but but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/674">TS</a>]

00:11:17   you could definitely see Jack Paar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/677">TS</a>]

00:11:20   of course his hero regis philbin all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/680">TS</a>]

00:11:23   wound up sort of on his stage because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/683">TS</a>]

00:11:27   was under strict orders to tend to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/687">TS</a>]

00:11:29   be Johnny and opened it worked out great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/689">TS</a>]

00:11:30   for him it's a weird-sounding analogy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/690">TS</a>]

00:11:33   but to me it makes a lot of senses to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/693">TS</a>]

00:11:34   Letterman is a lot like quentin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/694">TS</a>]

00:11:37   tarantino in a way that Letterman to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/697">TS</a>]

00:11:40   clearly internalized all those rules of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/700">TS</a>]

00:11:43   TV and he understood them specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/703">TS</a>]

00:11:45   as TV like he is just young enough that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/705">TS</a>]

00:11:49   he grew up with TV being the pervasive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/709">TS</a>]

00:11:52   ubiquitous influence in American culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/712">TS</a>]

00:11:54   that it you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/714">TS</a>]

00:11:55   has been for at least since the fifties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/715">TS</a>]

00:11:57   whereas those rules of TV and like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/717">TS</a>]

00:12:01   rules that like The Tonight Show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/721">TS</a>]

00:12:02   personified predate TV like the rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/722">TS</a>]

00:12:05   for a variety show or sort of the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/725">TS</a>]

00:12:07   as the rules for any kind of state show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09   like you know the Bonneville or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/729">TS</a>]

00:12:12   like that it's it's like a theater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/732">TS</a>]

00:12:15   production right the tonight show is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/735">TS</a>]

00:12:17   like it wouldn't be that different if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/737">TS</a>]

00:12:20   wasn't being televised and it was just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/740">TS</a>]

00:12:22   celebrity show that was put on for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24   300 people in the studio audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26   whereas what Letterman did was he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/746">TS</a>]

00:12:29   understood all those rules and could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/749">TS</a>]

00:12:31   just play with dance within the lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33   and to me that's like what Tarantino [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/753">TS</a>]

00:12:34   does with all of his genre movies where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/754">TS</a>]

00:12:36   he's internalized all these movies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/756">TS</a>]

00:12:39   he makes his movies within the cracks of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/759">TS</a>]

00:12:41   those lines now I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/761">TS</a>]

00:12:43   overstate Letterman's influence here you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/763">TS</a>]

00:12:45   can point to plenty of rule-breaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/765">TS</a>]

00:12:46   shows in the seventies and eighties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/766">TS</a>]

00:12:48   Monty Python's Flying Circus and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/768">TS</a>]

00:12:49   Saturday Night Live being two great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/769">TS</a>]

00:12:51   examples but i'd argue what made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   Letterman Show more shocking was that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55   didn't look like an anarchic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/775">TS</a>]

00:12:57   sketch-comedy show it looks like a talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/777">TS</a>]

00:12:59   show we understood what talk shows were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/779">TS</a>]

00:13:01   and this is what made it much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/781">TS</a>]

00:13:03   subversive David Letterman didn't invent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/783">TS</a>]

00:13:06   irony and he he didn't even invented on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/786">TS</a>]

00:13:08   television that that was what is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/788">TS</a>]

00:13:10   elder than the nineteen seventies what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/790">TS</a>]

00:13:11   was different about Letterman was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/791">TS</a>]

00:13:13   he just made it so much more broadly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/793">TS</a>]

00:13:15   humorous and and accessible even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/795">TS</a>]

00:13:19   he he famously you know didn't smile or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/799">TS</a>]

00:13:22   laugh at his own jokes except the mock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/802">TS</a>]

00:13:24   himself Letterman really was a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/804">TS</a>]

00:13:28   easier to take then you know mr. Mike or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/808">TS</a>]

00:13:32   or Eddie Murphy or any of the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/812">TS</a>]

00:13:36   edgy or comics that grace the saturday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/816">TS</a>]

00:13:39   night live arena but but there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/819">TS</a>]

00:13:41   doubt that the reception of SNL whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/821">TS</a>]

00:13:44   creator Lorne Michaels also never wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46   to be like Johnny Carson's show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/826">TS</a>]

00:13:50   that really did set the stage for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/830">TS</a>]

00:13:52   he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/832">TS</a>]

00:13:53   india not co-writes about technology for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/833">TS</a>]

00:13:55   the Chicago sun-times among other places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/835">TS</a>]

00:13:56   and is one of the biggest david [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/836">TS</a>]

00:13:59   letterman fans I know it's been said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/839">TS</a>]

00:14:01   very correctly that a lot of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/841">TS</a>]

00:14:04   that he brought to late-night had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/844">TS</a>]

00:14:06   done by steve allen before the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/846">TS</a>]

00:14:08   we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/848">TS</a>]

00:14:08   go on the street we're gonna do we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/848">TS</a>]

00:14:10   gonna be sooo teabags and dumped into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/850">TS</a>]

00:14:13   giant tank and make iced tea for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/853">TS</a>]

00:14:14   everybody yes Steve Allen did that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/854">TS</a>]

00:14:16   the fact remains though that it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/856">TS</a>]

00:14:18   looking at the the first Macintosh just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/858">TS</a>]

00:14:20   like looking at the first iphone you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/860">TS</a>]

00:14:21   see here is what everything looked like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/861">TS</a>]

00:14:23   to the before Letterman had a show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/863">TS</a>]

00:14:26   then here's what everything looked like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/866">TS</a>]

00:14:27   after he had his first season uh late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/867">TS</a>]

00:14:30   night with david letterman and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/870">TS</a>]

00:14:32   can't say that they were that in 1983 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/872">TS</a>]

00:14:34   1984 people were suddenly discovering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/874">TS</a>]

00:14:37   steve allen and raping him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/877">TS</a>]

00:14:39   it really was Letterman who brought this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/879">TS</a>]

00:14:41   into a modern sensibility and I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/881">TS</a>]

00:14:44   there's a lot of other things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/884">TS</a>]

00:14:45   going on a society of that time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/885">TS</a>]

00:14:47   sort of beg for a skeptical no jaundiced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/887">TS</a>]

00:14:50   eye on things that were big in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/890">TS</a>]

00:14:52   seventies this is the reagan-era this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/892">TS</a>]

00:14:55   was a factor era and so you're sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/895">TS</a>]

00:14:57   promoting the idea of let's just go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/897">TS</a>]

00:15:00   the assumption that if if the previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/900">TS</a>]

00:15:01   generation thought that was the coolest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/901">TS</a>]

00:15:02   thing ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/902">TS</a>]

00:15:04   maybe we can just sort of step back from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/904">TS</a>]

00:15:05   it and tear apart a little bit but again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/905">TS</a>]

00:15:08   everything changed after Letterman and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/908">TS</a>]

00:15:10   it wasn't because of stood a delayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/910">TS</a>]

00:15:12   fuse on Steve Allen tonight show all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/912">TS</a>]

00:15:14   right now I wish I could say that I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/914">TS</a>]

00:15:16   in on the ground floor of this one but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/916">TS</a>]

00:15:17   didn't I was nine years old when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/917">TS</a>]

00:15:19   morning shows on the air and 11-1 late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/919">TS</a>]

00:15:21   night with david letterman premier now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/921">TS</a>]

00:15:23   have a distinct memory a first seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/923">TS</a>]

00:15:26   late night in a hotel room in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/926">TS</a>]

00:15:27   Pennsylvania we were there for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/927">TS</a>]

00:15:28   mother's 25th highschool reunion and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/928">TS</a>]

00:15:31   parents were downstairs the party late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/931">TS</a>]

00:15:32   into the night I fell asleep i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/932">TS</a>]

00:15:34   with the hotel room TV on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/934">TS</a>]

00:15:36   I woke up maybe when they were coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/936">TS</a>]

00:15:37   back from the party i don't know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/937">TS</a>]

00:15:39   there was this strange gap-toothed man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/939">TS</a>]

00:15:41   who was definitely not Johnny Carson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/941">TS</a>]

00:15:44   doing strange things on television I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/944">TS</a>]

00:15:46   not understand it it wasn't until about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/946">TS</a>]

00:15:48   three years later maybe 1985 when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/948">TS</a>]

00:15:51   began to understand the appeal of David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/951">TS</a>]

00:15:53   Letterman the thing is I have no clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/953">TS</a>]

00:15:55   memory of how i went from not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/955">TS</a>]

00:15:57   understanding him to taping his show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/957">TS</a>]

00:15:58   every single night but John Gruber story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/958">TS</a>]

00:16:01   is probably not too far off from mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03   i'll tell you what i remember there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/963">TS</a>]

00:16:06   very vivid memories of this so i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/966">TS</a>]

00:16:09   born in 1973 and at some point in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/969">TS</a>]

00:16:13   eighties there was a show hosted on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/973">TS</a>]

00:16:17   was on NBC and was hosted by admin man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/977">TS</a>]

00:16:19   and Dick Clark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/979">TS</a>]

00:16:20   it's like to clark and McMahon's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/980">TS</a>]

00:16:22   bloopers and practical jokes and for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/982">TS</a>]

00:16:26   whatever reason it you know it passed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/986">TS</a>]

00:16:28   the test in my household and sisters two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/988">TS</a>]

00:16:30   years younger than me and my mom were 33 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/990">TS</a>]

00:16:32   would watch TV together tonight because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/992">TS</a>]

00:16:34   my dad worked third shift so and we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/994">TS</a>]

00:16:36   liked it and on this show they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/996">TS</a>]

00:16:38   occasionally have bits from late night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/998">TS</a>]

00:16:41   with david letterman they would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:43   like some of the remote bits that he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:45   would they would just show them on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   fill space on the the dick target at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:49   mcmahon show NBC had like an hour to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   fill and Dick Clark in a big man we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53   happy to do it and so they would fill it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:55   with Letterman bit sometimes not every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:57   week but every once in awhile they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:58   a bit from the Letterman Show that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:00   make sense at eight o'clock and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:02   were the best things in my opinion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:05   and part of what made it great was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:06   Letterman himself wasn't anywhere near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:08   his famous he had his own 1230 talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:10   but he he could go out in public and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:12   be mobbed and it was Letterman and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:14   camera crew going around Manhattan to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:17   find diners and every one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:20   places had a sign in the window that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:22   said best coffee in New York it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24   Letterman going in with a camera guy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:27   telling them hey you know there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:29   place two doors down down the street and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:31   says best coffee in New York the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33   reactions were all across the board like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:35   some people like to be like it just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:36   an old Greek guy ran the place and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:38   like no my coffee the best but he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:40   be insistent like it wasn't just that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:42   put the sign up just you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:44   instead of just saying hot coffee they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:45   all there was just a thing and Letterman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:48   made it hilarious and that is it made me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:50   want to desperately made me want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:52   watch his 1230 show which has like an 11 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:57   to 12 year old was sort of a stretch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:59   would have had been after nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01   eighty-four cuz that's when we got a VCR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:03   in our house and um I had seen you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:07   the clips the wacky stunts and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:09   thrill cam and monkey cam and and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:13   that sort of jives with my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:15   sensibility at the time and the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:18   episode I remember taping I believe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:22   stump that night was they were following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:25   the Australian Stock Exchange throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:28   the program and and and so there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:30   this ticker of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:31   australian stocks uh like running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:35   throughout the program and occasionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:37   Paul Shaffer they invested in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   company and Paul Shaffer would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:40   occasionally scream oh god were ruined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:43   whenever the the price drops so I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:46   remember that bit and you know that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:48   worked for me I thought that was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:51   those bits what was so effective about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:54   them of course was that a generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:56   could claim them as their own right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:57   stupid pet tricks and Dave in the velcro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1137">TS</a>]

00:19:01   suit and chris elliott and Biff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:05   Henderson and everybody Melman right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:08   Larry bud melman handing out hot towels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:11   to arriving visitors at the Port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   Authority Bus Terminal and showing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:14   amazingly bad microphone technique all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:17   found so endearing it yeah how long have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:21   you been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:23   he was just priceless I must have seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:26   it before this one episode that sticks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:30   out in my mind but the episode that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:31   really sticks out was the was one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:33   which it's open the opening shot is of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:36   the audience leaving this leaving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:38   studio and just a shot of letterman in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:41   his office saying that look it's that at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:44   the door of his office saying it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:45   too hot to do a regular show so we we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:48   sent the audience home and they did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:50   entire thing legit inside his office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:52   where Paul Shaffer had a little pistol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:55   casio keyboard work on his lap that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:58   Terry car was the cast and yet he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:01   her like basically older brother little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:03   sister berated her into like taking a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:05   shower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:06   you know even though like the shower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:08   doors had it in his office then cover up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:10   towels you can see anything she clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:12   was like not interested in doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:14   but was just so justjust attitude to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:17   stop talking about it but this was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:19   one that really made me into a letterman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:21   fan just realizing that my god this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:25   nothing like anything I had seen on any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:28   other show all kinds of respect for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:31   the Carson show but it was a format that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:35   had been really locked in for at that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:38   must be the early eighties mid 80 so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:40   this has been like at least two decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:41   and they they don't tamper with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43   format the idea that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:45   talk show where they would do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:46   as wild as this just got this block me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:50   into becoming a lifelong Letterman fan I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52   remember the first time I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:53   watched late night with the actual show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:55   and it was a similar type situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:58   right you know still wasn't allowed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:00   stay up that late at home i was on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:02   field trip to Washington DC and I was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:08   sixth grade so I must have been like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:10   around 12 and you know like typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:13   sixth-graders we were up we're wired you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15   know wide awake and it got to be 1230 I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:18   think we're watching HBO I think well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:20   actually i think i actually specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:22   remember the HBO movie we watched it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:25   a chuck norris Vietnam movie i think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:28   was missing in action it was an HBO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:29   movie it was rated R so it felt like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:32   were already getting away with something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:33   in a bunch of sixth grade boys in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:35   hotel room and then the the the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1295">TS</a>]

00:21:38   was over and I realize holy shit it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:41   1230 we can watch shut the Letterman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:43   Show and I've always wanted to watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:44   and the show had already started it must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:46   have been about 10 minutes in and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:48   friends bed net didn't even had never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:50   even heard of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:51   they didn't even know what it was they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:52   they were you know more or less of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:54   opinion that we should look for another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:56   Chuck Norris movie because we've got HBO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58   right where it is hotel room with HBO so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:00   I flip to NBC and I remember exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:03   what was on it was a monkey cam they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:07   a monkey strapped our camera strapped to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:09   a monkey and he was running around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:12   studio and they were the footage was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:14   first person perspective from this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:15   monkey that they had set loose in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:17   studio and I thought it was amazing i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:21   was like this is the type of stuff I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:22   thought would be on the show and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:23   friends were like what the hell is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:25   grouper we got it were turning this off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:27   and I no no and I thought it was and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:30   only good get let me have like three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:32   four minutes of it and then it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:33   Dave they were like this makes no sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   we're turning it off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:36   we're switching whatever it was a monkey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1356">TS</a>]

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00:27:58   address this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1678">TS</a>]

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00:28:06   this night not angry at jay leno about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:09   this not not angry at you or the tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1689">TS</a>]

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00:28:18   have socks actually 43 and now even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:23   the network and come to me and they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:24   Dave would like you to have this show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:26   and then then a week later they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:29   Dave we don't want you to have the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:31   then you could be angry about right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:34   I have a show if you do and an NBC can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:38   can do whatever they want with the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:39   so i was i was never never angry now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:42   would I would I like to have the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:44   whole sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:47   Johnny Carson retired in 1992 and NBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1727">TS</a>]

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00:28:52   jay leno had been Carson's permanent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1732">TS</a>]

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00:29:12   appearances on Late Night with David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1752">TS</a>]

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00:29:24   turned down for The Tonight Show gig and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:28   it being given to the schmoll jay leno [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:30   whose reputation had been just in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:34   sewer until his good friend dave pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:37   them up and said Jay I know you bombed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:40   hosting the Tonight Show for Johnny but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1780">TS</a>]

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00:29:46   your wheel what's your beef on my show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:48   and and folks love you and Jay was so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:53   grateful for this favor that Dave didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:56   he began stabbing him in the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:59   I remember um liking window at one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:02   when he was a regular guest on later use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:05   a good levy was a really good Letterman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:07   guests in fact I still um when my I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:10   still quote a thing from one of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:13   leno appearances whenever my wife lisa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:18   is is complaining about something all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:20   it's the so have we reached the what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:22   your beef part of the program which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:24   what he said to Solano and even when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:27   was on the guest host on the the tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:29   show it was it was still pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:31   hey this is neat because it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:33   someone who's young and has a has a has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:36   a worldview not unlike our own and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:39   then he became the the the host through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:42   you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:43   Makka nations we weren't privy to at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:46   time but it just seemed some middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:48   the road and and and watered down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:52   the end over the years you you just felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:55   every last edge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:57   take 10 being buffered off until he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1857">TS</a>]

00:31:00   a bowling ball basically i think the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:03   transition from Carson Letterman would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:05   have been fine from Carson's point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:07   view because I one gets the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:10   impression from reading biographies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:13   to the extent that Carson he had a yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:16   more of a a bond with with Letterman i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:18   think but it would it's very hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:22   replace Carson and it's very hard to as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:25   Conan O'Brien found it's very hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27   step into this 1130 time slot where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:31   you're entertaining my dad who has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:35   stayed awake through the evening news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:36   and just want something not terribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:39   threatening or challenging to to come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:42   the air now my feeling about which I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:44   say more in a minute is that we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:47   dodged a bullet when NBC shows jay leno [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:48   over David Letterman for the tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:50   show with Erin Barnhart pointed out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:52   me that if we knew then what we know now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:54   about the composition of TV audiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:56   things might have actually turned out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:58   much differently not just for Leno and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:00   Letterman but maybe even for Johnny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:01   Carson we don't know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:03   demographics were not widely circulated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:06   in the nineteen eighties they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:09   even widely measured really until the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:11   nineteen nineties but the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:13   research that NBC did internally showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:16   that within a very short period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:18   younger people were preferring Letterman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:21   Carson and this was driving all kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:25   advertising sales and really whether it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:30   was true in public or not there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:33   genuine business competition going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:36   now between the 1130 and 1230 shows on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:39   NBC late-night and and this is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:41   that people don't always think about but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:44   had that kind of demographic research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:46   been done in 1990 1991 1992 the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:52   when Jay Leno and his manager Helen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:56   Kushnick we're making the big press for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58   him to succeed Johnny Carson as the host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:02   of the tonight show what if Dave's camp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:05   had been able to point to those sheets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:08   of demographics and the news media had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:11   access to that kind of research showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:13   that among 18 to 34 year old male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:16   viewers dave was beating the pants off a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:19   book Johnny and Jay how would late-night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:22   history have been different if if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:24   kind of data that we now take for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:27   granted had been widely circulated that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:31   now but that's not how it went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:33   Letterman went to CBS which at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:35   was still looking its wounds from its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:36   attempt to launch the Pat Sajak show ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38   the guy from wheel of fortune against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:40   Johnny Carson I remember the front page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   of the newspaper the day that David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:44   Letterman announced he was making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:45   move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:46   here's a picture of david letterman and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:48   behind him is the CBS logo the picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:50   said it all the classy blackrock CBS I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:54   all in all an ivory yeah its iconic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:57   picture and it was a great triumph it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2037">TS</a>]

00:33:59   was a great triumph for CBS it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:02   change the fortunes of the network in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:04   hindsight I think it makes him it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:07   his career seemed more accomplished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:08   because he was the first person to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:11   successfully create a arrival to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:14   tonight show when he moved to CBS he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:16   going to an organization that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:17   desperately wanted him and was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:19   eager to make make it very clear how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:21   much they wanted them wanted him more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:23   than that they were giving him ownership [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   of the show so at no point could the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:28   network say we're doing it this way we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   say we want you to do it that way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:32   can't fire him and replace them they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:33   cancel the show but that's certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:34   something that the they certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:36   understood at the time to BS had nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:38   going on in late night and here came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:40   David Letterman with the chance to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:41   hero he could create an entirely new and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:44   hugely profitable business for CBS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   do it while staying in New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:48   continuing to play the underdog and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:50   righteously rage against NBC and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:53   while doing a version of his old show in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:56   a new place instead of trying to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:57   Johnny Carson under the eyes of some NBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2097">TS</a>]

00:35:00   executives with questionable judgment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:02   and itchy trigger fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:04   well I a 1000% agree with that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:06   look even when counting out the job it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:09   like be careful what you wish for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:10   and he always wanted to be in that chair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:12   do you want to be in that chair yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:13   because you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:14   there was only one Carson and then after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:15   that you had to be Leno and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:18   couldn't have any sharp edges there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:20   no right angles and Letterman is alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:22   giggles so it's like you're totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:24   right he got to stay in New York where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:25   he belongs and he got to be bitter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:28   he did his stuff his stuff where he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:31   made fun of the NBC when he was on NBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:33   was great and even when he went to CBS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:34   making fun of me bc was even better so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:37   it definitely worked out for the best of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:39   44 late night I think and who knows how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:42   it would have worked on a long run but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:43   he's on the record i know as having said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:46   that if he had gotten the tonight show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:48   which he definitely wanted his plan was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:50   definitely did you know keep it was go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:53   out to burbank and more or less do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:58   Tonight Show as it was no like he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00   just be taking over and doing it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:03   know and he had guest-hosted before and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:06   you know Jay Leno and guest I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:08   know more or less jay leno just turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:10   his weekly guest hosting gig into what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:13   he did and let me know Letterman plan to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:15   do the same as an institution that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:16   just thought you couldn't you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:18   couldn't mess with that letter was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:20   perfect choice for the tonight show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:21   Jimmy Fallon also the perfect choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:23   with tonight show because this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:25   comfort food part of the time show after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:29   after Carson it was never going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:32   the tonight show after that Jerry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34   Seinfeld had a very very smart thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   say and I think Bill Carter second book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:38   about the second NBC late-night crisis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:41   saying that what none of us understood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:44   was that when Carson left the tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:46   show he took the tonight show with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48   and so this beat stop becoming an iconic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:50   show and started becoming the deliverer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:53   of ratings and the the golden arches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:56   that people would think of as a familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:58   and okay this is a safe place to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00   from 1130-1230 to do really innovative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:03   stuff you're gonna have to go to comedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:04   central going to go to CBS you even have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:06   to go to TBS because it's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:08   happen that between eleven-thirty and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:10   1230 at NBC now looking back I can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:14   why NBC gave the tonight show to jay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:16   leno I really can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:18   Dave have an approach to television it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:21   was a gorilla approach there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:24   take-no-prisoners of quality to it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:28   despite the fact that he always wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:30   to be the next Johnny Carson he was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:33   never able to effectively suppress that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:35   it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:36   really part of his humor it was part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:38   his appeal and for better for worse it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:40   it's what made him effective but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:45   always meant that he wasn't going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:47   the NBC job and it probably didn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:49   he was a better personality to launch a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:53   late-night talk-show franchise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:56   another network which is a tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:59   legacy for him at CBS as much as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:03   letterman sort of true in wasn't doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:07   quite the late-night stuff once you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:08   the late show on CBS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:10   he was still doing odd and unusual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:12   things like will it float not on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2292">TS</a>]

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00:38:26   yeah it's it's ridiculous we have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:28   right to feel any sense of ownership [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:29   about that but it did feel great to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:32   that Letterman did not have to inherit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:35   his dad's show he was able to create his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:39   own business and his own business being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:41   incredibly successful in and of itself i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:43   think that I thought that was a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:44   validation that Leno or jimmy fallon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:48   they really do need to have that name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:51   brand on their show they need to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:53   that legacy in order to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:55   successful show they need to have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:56   the power of that brand behind them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:58   whereas Letterman is his own brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:00   he brings his own staff he brings its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:02   own sensibility as a nominal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:05   editor-in-chief of his entire show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:07   he takes his own sensibility with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:10   it's hard even to imagine the the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:13   of excitement but but even then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2353">TS</a>]

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00:39:20   TV was reruns in fact the e-channel at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   that moment was on a nightly basis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:25   showing an old Letterman repeat from his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:28   from his NBC late-night days so there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2368">TS</a>]

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00:39:34   programming on TV especially in late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2374">TS</a>]

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00:42:52   as some of you may know for the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2572">TS</a>]

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00:43:03   interested in doing a show little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2583">TS</a>]

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00:43:07   that reality has come to pass for today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:10   settlement dinner in New York City [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:16   so we win David Letterman is the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:19   king of late night jay leno is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:20   vanquished all those people who love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:22   guy under the seats in the suit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:23   alka-seltzer in the GE handshake and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:25   declare victory graduate from college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:28   and get a real job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:30   the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:32   I'll but life goes on there's no such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:34   thing as the end of history Letterman's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   victory was just the start of two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:38   decades at CBS and the show was not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:41   same similar but not the sentient being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:44   a big Broadway theater made Dave play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:48   big to play to the audience and in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:52   that the tiny little studio that late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:54   night was in in Rockefeller Center when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:57   he was on NBC let him play small and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2637">TS</a>]

00:44:00   there is there's a definite difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:02   in Dave's on-air persona both shows I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:05   mean he talks about it as being one show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:07   like and then when it and and in a sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:10   it is it's like two halves to the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:12   there's the half that was when it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:14   1230 at NBC in a tiny little studio and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:17   then there's the modern half starting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:18   93 where it's the flagship 1130 CBS show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:22   in a big theater and he definitely has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:25   his personality is the same but his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:26   persona is different because he has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:28   have to play to the room I tend to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:31   of a letterman show a bit like John does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:33   two halves of a career late night on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:35   side the late show on the other but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:37   David Letterman's actually been doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39   the late show on CBS for 22 years late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2679">TS</a>]

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00:44:46   years account for two-thirds of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2686">TS</a>]

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00:45:37   and we found that the type of person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:39   watches Johnny Carson typically watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:42   four nights a week which means you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:44   at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:45   they were watching Johnny and at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:47   one guest host Jon never did more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:49   three nights in a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:51   the typical late-night viewer watch two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:54   nights a week and what all my er [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:57   inferred from this was that Dave's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59   personality was not sufficiently warm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:03   and relatable enough to engender nightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:08   viewing that that his viewers other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:12   superfans most viewers a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:15   Letterman went a long way that was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:17   of the data points he used in deciding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:19   that jay leno who by that point had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:22   really gotten himself back in the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24   graces of tonight show and had learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:26   the routine would be the better host for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:30   the long haul because people would tune [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:32   into a night after night after night and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:35   in fact what happened to daves ratings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:38   in the 24 months after he signed on to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:42   CBS kinda bored that out he rocketed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:47   number one that first sweeps he did in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:50   November it was just off the charts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:53   then he went to LA and Johnny Carson I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:55   think the news had already broken the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:57   Johnny Carson was going to make an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:58   appearance on that night show and he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:01   10 million people watching 10 million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03   people take you can't get 10 million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:05   people to watch a prime-time show these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:07   days it was off the charts and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:12   started to turn and there's still no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:17   thing I can point to until about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:19   spring of nineteen ninety-six he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:21   already lost the lead in the ratings 22 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:24   Leno and there's there's some comments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:28   about who's to blame for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:30   this is a part of the lettermen story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:31   that we don't talk about much he lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33   the ratings lead the show lost something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:35   creatively Letterman himself talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:37   about this in a recent interview with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:38   the new york times when he said and I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:40   quote before I felt pretty confident in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:42   what we were up to because there was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:44   competition to speak up whatsoever in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:46   the beginning at CBS we came out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:48   shoot going a million miles an hour and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:50   then when that was all done we just sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:52   of said really can we go a million miles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54   an hour again and we tried and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:56   couldn't I think we've gone way down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:58   road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2878">TS</a>]

00:47:58   maybe way down the wrong road I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:01   know that we ever did get back the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:02   way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:03   it didn't start to settle down until it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:04   couldn't be more clear that Jay was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06   more popular show and when we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:08   realize that there's not much we can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:09   here you can't put toothpaste back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:11   the tube then we started going our own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:13   way again I think it was just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:14   inevitability the guy in the race who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:16   spends more time looking over his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18   shoulder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:18   well that's the mistake for two years I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:20   made that mistake we ran out of steam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:22   day that they had a plan and they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:25   in effect and and it didn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:28   one of their own Bernhardt's first major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:30   pieces was for the New York Observer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:31   about the Letterman Show and what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:33   going wrong and what i did was i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:35   dissected an episode and you may recall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:37   I actually sat down and watched an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39   episode with Rob Burnett in their studio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:41   the only time I've ever met Letterman he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:43   came in and shook my hand and we stared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:47   awkwardly to each other in any money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49   left huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:50   I had dreams like that it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:52   literally literally I've had that dream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:54   it's literally go David Letterman well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:56   it all right it is it's it's not easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2936">TS</a>]

00:49:00   being David it's not easy being a fan of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:02   date but damn i sat down watched an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:05   episode and even there there are moments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:07   that you like David and new director of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:10   his longtime director hell gurney who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:12   would produce Jack Paar and finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:15   retired and and so this guy Jerry fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:18   had taken over Jerry had never really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:20   done a talk show and they were there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:22   these epic tapings that audience members [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:26   would talk about where David barkat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:28   Jerry and segments would be taped over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:31   and over and and even on the episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:34   that i had asked Rob Burnett the hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:36   pick that we sat down watched together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:38   there was evidence of tension between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:39   David the boot so anyway there was as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:41   all came to a head this episode where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:43   it's some sketch involved a david [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:46   letterman dummy to be made a life-size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48   dummy and i forget what the sketch was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:51   but after the joke was over and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:55   supposed to move on to other jokes he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:57   turned around for no reason it took a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/2997">TS</a>]

00:50:00   baseball bat and hit the David Letterman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:02   dummy in the head and he kinda liked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:05   so he kept hitting at first the audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:08   laughs and then not so funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:12   and this goes on for like half a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:13   and it's very awkward television but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:17   Dave clearly that self-loathing side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:21   could not be contained it came out it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:24   never really gone back in that David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:28   Letterman that made a name for himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:30   in the nineteen eighties turned out did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:33   not wear so well in the nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:35   nineties and even though i think a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:38   of people came back to him and view them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:41   in a different way after his his heart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:43   surgery after some of the heartfelt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:47   monologues he made including this post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:49   9-11 you know we all age so Dave's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:53   audience aged with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55   there's two moments from 9-11 that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:57   remember vividly on TV I remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3057">TS</a>]

00:51:00   morning of when it was happening live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:02   I've just remembered the telecast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:04   vividly it was just astounding and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:06   the other thing i remember very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:08   specifically was the first Letterman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:09   episode afterwards I don't know if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:12   was a week I don't know if it was two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:13   weeks I forget exactly when but within a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:16   week or two it came back on that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:17   remember this remember how dope yeah oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19   yeah no music it was just silence and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:22   then Dave at his desk and any it he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:26   killed it right it was just amazing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:29   it really it just gave me the sense like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:32   you know what we're gonna be alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:33   which brings us to the last third of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:35   story Letterman's not making headlines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:37   every day now he's not leading leno in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:39   the ratings NBC tries not to repeat its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:41   disastrous handling of the Letterman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:43   Leno thing and promises The Tonight Show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:45   did Conan O'Brien in the end this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:47   decision creates an even worse disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:49   as Conan replaces Leno and fairly soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:52   thereafter leno replaces Conan all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:54   while Letterman just keeps on cranking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:56   out shows the show's format this points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:58   locked in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3118">TS</a>]

00:51:59   dave has open heart surgery but comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:01   back someone plot to kidnap his young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:03   son it's revealed that over the decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:05   has been having sex with young women on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:06   his staff the show just keep plowing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:09   new starlets new politicians new rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:11   bands just keep rolling on time flows on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:15   and on and we watch it all or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:18   some of us do not me as a die-hard fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:21   during the first third of david [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23   letterman's career and a frequent viewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:24   during the sec [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:25   in a final act of Letterman's career has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:27   passed almost like background noise for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:29   me I might watch a few times a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:31   that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:33   every night I have for as long as i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:36   remember taped late show with david [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:39   letterman and this morning was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:42   time in probably a year that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:45   actually sat down and watched an episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:47   of late show with david letterman and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:50   the case of Carson as is the case with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:53   Letterman right now it would be silly if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:56   this person in late Middle it in middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:59   age or late middle age where to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:01   reinvent himself when he that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:03   got a machine that works perfectly at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:05   this point had to bolt the rear spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:07   and an afterburner onto it like and turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:09   into something that looks like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:10   Batmobile but doesn't run like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:12   Batmobile that would be very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:13   embarrassing occasionally all be up at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:16   that hour not watching sports if i'm up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:19   at that hour it's generally because i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:20   watching an old movie or i'm watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:22   sports but i'll flip by CBS and CNN that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:24   it's dave letterman and you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:26   it's I think were you and I are also not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:30   to be cranky old men but it's not what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:32   it was in the old days it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:35   young risk-taking david letterman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:38   instead it's it's david letterman taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:40   his victory lap so you cannot pretend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:43   that he's a forty-year-old or 35 year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:46   old guy know who is up-and-coming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:49   wants to stick it to the man he is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:51   multi multi-millionaire he is the man he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:54   is the man to end Johnny Carson was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:57   man and Johnny Carson could get away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:58   with it a little bit more because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3238">TS</a>]

00:53:59   would do jokes about out his wife took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:01   them to the cleaners the divorce hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:03   or how he's playing tennis ER for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:06   that and that was never really part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:08   Letterman check i like the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:10   they have just he and his staff have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:13   gently sort of shifted his role when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:16   started off in that chair he was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18   person who i'm going to have the remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:19   microphone i'm gonna try to deliver a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:21   basket of fruit to NBC executives and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:22   I'm gonna batter to the batter case i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:24   know they're gonna throw me a plan to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:26   get great shots of them being jerks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:28   me being calm and me trying to just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:30   something nice like deliver this basket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:31   of fruit now he's in exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:33   opposite roll a lot of the humans they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35   do is he's he's uncle grandpa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:38   in the middle of the stage and younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:40   staffers come up and he has no clue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:41   what's going on you know and they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:43   actually even like the parading him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:45   because he is the establishment figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:47   and that's absolutely appropriate for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:50   him to be doing this kind of comedy at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:52   this at this stage in his life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:55   it's absolutely ridiculous for him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:56   try to be hip because he is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:58   establishment at this point you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3298">TS</a>]

00:54:59   pretend that he doesn't have tens of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01   millions of dollars you can pretend that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03   he is not both culturally and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:05   economically one of the most successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:07   people who has ever done that job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:09   it's kind of ridiculous to want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:12   the exact same role in popular culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:14   in your sixties that you had when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:17   in your thirties it is so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:19   satisfying to realize that I am I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:22   delivering something that people count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:23   on every single day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:24   it's not that I'm bring something fresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:26   and new every single night it's that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:28   delivering something that's absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:30   reliable and that is the bedrock of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:32   simple craftsmanship and reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:35   Letterman is that level of refinement he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:38   can do more by simply stepping out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:40   saying forwards then a lot of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:42   late-night comedians can do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:43   material they spent an entire week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45   developing and rehearsing i will give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   him this Johnny Carson was square even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:52   when big portions of America thought he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:54   was hip or he was square America's idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:57   of hip and david letterman his flavor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3357">TS</a>]

00:56:01   lasted I think a lot longer than anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:03   including himself expected it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:05   and then when he finally became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:07   hopelessly identified with dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:11   by that time he felt like well he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:13   just a good friend and and there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:16   all these other choices that I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:18   turn to and and so he just stuck around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:20   and it worked out okay for everybody not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:24   least of all david letterman so here's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:26   true story from my life bear with me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:29   few weeks ago my childhood home burned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:31   down nobody was hurt thank goodness but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:33   when people ask me how I felt about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:35   loss i realized that i had more net [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:37   place long before nearly 18 years ago my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:40   parents sold the place I grew up in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:42   eighteen sixties era farmhouse and sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44   of barnes on 45 acres in the Northern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46   California foothills they use the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:49   to retire the people who bought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:50   transformed it into one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:52   top wedding destinations in the region [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:54   if not the country back to the old place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:56   twice maybe 10 years ago and again a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:58   couple years back had been completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3418">TS</a>]

00:57:00   transformed part of the outer portion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:02   the house was unchanged the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:04   inside had been ripped out and replaced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:05   with guest rooms a new building had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:07   grafted onto the side of the old one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:09   trees and shrubs over grew this lawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:11   that I used to know every week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:12   my point is when place burned down no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:16   felt sad for the people who owned the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:17   place and that the structure itself is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:20   now gone already mourned the house I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:22   grew up in it was gone the minute they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:24   ripped out the bedroom walls tore up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:26   ugly linoleum in the kitchen stuck a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:28   pond in the backyard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:30   you can't go home again but you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:32   married there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:33   this is how i feel about this last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:35   with david letterman he is meaningful to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:37   me his comedy and tone and sense of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:39   irony were immensely influential in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:41   development as a writer and viewer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:43   amateur joke teller and it's sad to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:46   think that he will be on the air anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:47   though he certainly has served his time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:49   and deserves a happy retirement but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:52   don't watch the show anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:54   I've been watching the past few weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:56   for old times sake it's been a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:57   fun but it's just a legend now a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3477">TS</a>]

00:58:00   sentimental visit to a place that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   once my home but is already gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   I never stopped stopped watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:07   watching Letterman and I'm actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:10   starting not worried about what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:12   when he goes away but realizing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:14   this has been a kid he's his show has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   been a constant in my entire life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:19   it's always a little bit sad when a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:20   constant goes away even if it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:23   that day that you know you sell your mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:25   and dad's house because they're both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:26   gone and now you can you can no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:28   be going back to this address that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:30   been a big part of your life all of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:32   life or even if it's just that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:35   stopped making a Brandis owed that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:37   really like it's that you attach so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:39   to these touchstones of your life that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:41   when something goes away you don't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:43   like you're lost but you realize it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:45   me that's gonna be I'm gonna miss that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:46   really miss that a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:47   he's always he's my guy so it's great to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:50   hear like Kimmel who I love come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:53   flat out say look I'm in this business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:54   because of Letterman and Letterman was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:56   the best and the correct of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:58   Kimmel famous for not letting leno have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:02   like do any of his hair just be friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:05   thing let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:05   giggles have none of that in and in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:08   ways he was more mad Atlanta than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:09   Letterman was was kind of funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:11   Letterman grew up with three TV channels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:13   or five TV channels Johnny Carson grew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:16   up with just a couple TV channels he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:18   grew up mostly with radio and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:20   generation of performers all grew up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:23   with television and they grew up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:25   lots of television choices the closest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:27   analogue would probably be Jimmy Kimmel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:29   who did morning radio before he made his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:32   way over to television just as as David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:34   Letterman was a weatherman Indianapolis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:36   but i think david letterman will not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:39   happen again in the sense that his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:41   sensibilities are really formed around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:45   post-war America and the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:49   television was this giant glowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:52   presence in the center of the house that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:54   everybody gravitated to and what he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:59   in the night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   in the night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   teen eighties was positively daring he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:05   split that Adam he said well actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:09   there's going to be a late night talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:10   show for mom and dad and then there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:12   going to be one for the kids kids don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:14   have to watch Johnny's monologue anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:16   i used to tape Johnny Carson's monologue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:19   on a cassette tape recorder and play it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:22   back later because that was considered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:26   the kind of hip asst funniest most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:30   topical comedy anywhere and now really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:33   going back to the dawn of the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:36   era which was a time of great expansion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:40   and cable TV offerings this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:42   generation is just accustomed to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:45   know laughs on demand and and so it Dave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:49   really is is like Johnny Carson in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:53   he goes back to a time when all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:56   entertainment was good was considered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:58   very very rare and and special and so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:05   it commanded top dollar and the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:08   nation sometimes seem to be paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:11   attention to what you said and nowadays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:13   people sit around and pray that their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:15   you know a joke that they tell goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:17   viral or a bit on their show gets gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:21   posted on social media so I i think with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:25   Dave going away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:27   you know it really is kind of the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:29   an era that started with steve allen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:33   went through Jack Paar Johnny Carson and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:36   and david letterman say what you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:39   about Carson and and like the rules you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:41   put Letterman under he wanted to always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43   be the top he did he needed was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:46   its defensive enough and insecure enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:48   that he would do little things to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:49   sure nobody supplanted him but he let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:52   Gary Shandling and jay leno and joan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:55   rivers and david letterman host his show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:58   but he gave them this platform you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:01   he gave this younger generation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:03   would-be successors this platform and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:05   Letterman never did that for anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:07   like he never picked a 1230 post who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:10   in any way a plausible replacement from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:13   self and he never did guest host and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:15   always wondered that Letterman works too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:17   hard that five shows a week is too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:19   and part of what made Carson seem fresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:21   for so long as the only did three shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:23   a week for 40 weeks here if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:26   anything i wish that i could have seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:28   maybe them tried differently would maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:30   maybe starting like 10 years ago let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:32   somebody guest host every monday right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:35   there from the you know the ad sullivan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:38   theater and then have Letterman only do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:40   four shows a week in my career as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:43   critic two of the best things I ever got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:46   well i got letters from david letterman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:48   and that that was amazing because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:51   he's just he's just somebody who doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:52   really do that often and it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:56   they came years apart and but they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:58   both in response to something that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3778">TS</a>]

01:02:59   wrote about him one was really just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:02   appreciation uh uh how talented he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:04   and how great the show was and then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:06   was early on and then the other one was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:08   a you know when people have certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:10   forgot about him for a long time and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:13   he still had many many years left and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:16   did a thing like 8i I don't know why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:18   like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:19   everybody's talking about the new flavor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:21   whether it's Lana or whoever but here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:24   here's the master and and I do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:26   whole thing he really really appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:27   it and sent me letters are both those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   actually Framed one of them from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:30   first one because i was like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:31   David's career is almost like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:33   self-fulfilling prophecy he never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:35   thought that he was the equal of Johnny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:37   Carson he always thought that Johnny was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:40   always funnier better interviewer more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:45   urbane quicker minded smoother more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:50   gracious a talk show host than he could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:53   ever be and yet at the same time he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:56   wanted his job and so he has done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3836">TS</a>]

01:04:00   everything where if it's possible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:03   him to emulate Johnny he has done that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:05   and everything else he has done his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:08   way and so now he's going to go out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:12   his own way I can't remember you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:15   like again I was I don't know 10 or 11 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:17   when Letterman got on here so I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:18   anything anywhere even vaguely close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:21   having a adult mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:23   and awareness of American culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:25   Letterman's been on it doesn't feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:27   America without him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:28   so what happens to David Letterman now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:31   like I said he's earned his retirement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3871">TS</a>]

01:04:33   when Carson signed off in 92 one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:36   last things he said was he hoped the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:38   audience would welcome him back if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:40   ever came back with a project that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:41   thought they'd like he never came back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:44   cameos on the Letterman Show where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:46   most that we ever got so is Dave going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:49   to emulate his idol one more time maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3889">TS</a>]

01:04:52   but today is a very different media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:56   landscape then 1992 Jerry Seinfeld [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:59   doesn't need to work but he was able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:01   create his web series comedians in cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3901">TS</a>]

01:05:04   getting coffee and do it at his own pace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3904">TS</a>]

01:05:07   so it wouldn't surprise me at all if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:10   see Dave on the web somewhere doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:12   stuff for the sheer fun of it with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:14   burdens of 1130 and johnny carson and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:18   The Tonight Show and The Ed Sullivan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3918">TS</a>]

01:05:20   Theater removed forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:23   I'd love to see that but if all we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3923">TS</a>]

01:05:27   is the more than 6,000 episodes he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3927">TS</a>]

01:05:30   produced over 33 years i'll call it even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3930">TS</a>]

01:05:34   thanks Dave from your pals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:38   for the complete interviews with indian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3938">TS</a>]

01:05:44   taco Erin Barnhart John Gruber Philip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:46   Michaels and Tim Goodman go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3946">TS</a>]

01:05:48   incomparable but calm / bonus track / 24 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:53   7 B we'll see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbOi9xg/3953">TS</a>]