The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► Craig's good to hear your voice yeah [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► likewise [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► it's been awhile since we talked yeah [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► what you wanna do this let's just get [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► out of the way we got to talk about this [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► Trump tech tech summit because here's [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► the thing man [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► you know what I said when I think I mean [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► you're going to lead off with this I [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► would have you know starting my heart [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► holiday party [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► here's the thing even as I'm not really [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► shying away from writing about politics [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► on daring fireball even if I decided [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► that if I had chosen differently and [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► said you know what I'm not you know [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► whatever my feelings are going to make [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► this a politics frite site even even in [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► this there's that here's an intersection [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► of of Trump administration incoming [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► Trump administration and the stuff that [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► I do right about that [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► I you know would be criminal not to [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► mention it so what happened i have for [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► anybody either head-in-the-sand Trump [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► and his buddy Peter teal put together [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► summit of the invited I don't they only [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► invited 10 people i think there were [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► like 14 people from Trump's immediate [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► family and his girl Friday transition [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► team and attendant there and 10 liters [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► of of the US tech industry who were in [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► attendance [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► I think it was Tim Cook from apple or a [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► primo seat to away from Trump you know [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► the seating you know if you look at the [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► seating chart it was clearly very very [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► pleased thought out [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► yeah I just thought out definitely yeah [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► i mean you don't you don't just say only [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► a one two three kids sit over here right [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► it's looking at it that into the tables [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► like the you know that the kids table at [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► Thanksgiving right well yeah I mean that [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► did the thing that got me was that the [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► picture of a of tim cook right this is [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► just the look on his face and I I try [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► not to read into pictures too much I [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► mean you have all done you know you know [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► you're watching a video or whatever and [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► you know you pause and it's like the [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► person making that face which is like [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► what the heck you know that because it [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► doesn't fit into the [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► the story is going on with it just [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► making some funny face right but I look [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► at that picture of tim cook and that is [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► the expression i think i would have if i [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► was at that meeting right just like [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► ashen kind of what the hell is going on [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► somebody you are to watch the HBO show [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► that Larry David Choe curb your [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► enthusiasm because they the show for [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► anybody doesn't want to show usually [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► ends [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► it's a very it the the show is [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► incredibly awkward it's about it's [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► nothing about other than about creating [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► awkward situations and then a typical [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► Arizona and in a horribly awkward [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► situation with a freeze frame and then [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► it's funny music comes up [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► yeah that's all that was missing is that [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► funny music but there's another thing to [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► where I'm always hesitant to especially [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► at coming out of a political election [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► whether it's national or local there's [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► obviously there's it its and it's only [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► gotten worse because i think i think [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► because our politics have gotten so much [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► more partisan and the fact that there [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► are so many more photographs taken [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► because digital cameras if you ever [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► watched these press conferences that it [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► it really almost sounds like it's not a [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► war zone but it almost where where that [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► the pro photographers in the the [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► journalists have these SLR digital SLRs [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► and they just they just hold the shutter [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► down and they just keep right they just [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► keep shooting you know six to eight [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► frames per second every second non-stop [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► because the cardstock know that [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► yeah that that's what I'm saying about [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► you know it's really easy these days to [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► cherry pick an image right to find the [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► one where Tim Cook is making that face [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► because you know you've thought the [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► right names you know and I don't think [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► about the case that right and so on [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► election ads in election ads you are in [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► both sides do it it's this is here's one [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► where it's not really a partisan thing [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► but they tend to find an unflattering [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► photo of the opponent of to put in the [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► ad if it's an attack ad and a lot of [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► times I think it's very obvious that you [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► can tell that it's just one of those [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► like everybody knows it like when you're [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► going through your family photos and you [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► say like you know you know look at that [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► sunset here you guys stand right there [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► i'll take a couple photos and like the [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► middle one [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► you know somebody you know one of the [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► subjects in your family just looks [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► horrible just absolutely like because [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► elastic mid blank right here it's like [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► it here [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► you look like you're smoking bongs all [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► day because your eyes you're halfway [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► shut [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► and it's like right or just more like [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► like this the person was you know they [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► know that you're taking a couple of [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► photos and they're trying to hold their [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► eyes open for the first one and then it [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► just feels like there's something in [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► there so they make like a weird blink to [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► like clear their eyes hopefully before [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► you shoot the next shutter but in fact [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► it's mid shutter and they just look not [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► so I don't think that's Tim Cook in this [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► scenario it looks to me you know like [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► that no like that that's that that would [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► you know that is how I would feel in [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► that situation I don't you know it's [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► like and it's it's you know didn't [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► Thompson made a good thing in his a good [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► point in his newsletter admit that [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► really struck me was that Trump is [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► saying you know how we want to help you [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► all [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► well there's a flip side to that right [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► what happens if he does not want to help [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► you write he sees these already over [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► what is it last week or maybe earlier [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► this week where he put out that tweeted [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► about canceling a Lockheed order and [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► their stock tanked [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► yep and I do we series he's got some [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► power now and you don't want that power [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► to affect your shareholder value the [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► week before he was complaining about an [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► Air Force One order for our Air Force [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► order for a a new Air Force One you know [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► there aren't they are an Air Force One [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► and you know if you're like good just [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► one of those things that I knew but I i [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► find fascinating i find air force one to [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► be a fascinating things like a history [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► geek and you know just someone who's up [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► that's about so i'm a proud American and [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► I like certain aspects of it and air [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► force ones cool thing but one of the [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► things I've always known is that Air [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► Force One is not an airplane a single [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► airplane it's actually right there's two [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► of them [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► yep its Air Force One is the official [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► designation of the one that's carrying [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► the president so right like if the [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► President of the United States is like [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► sitting in the Oval Office there is no [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► air force one right there are trains [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► that could be our force one but it [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► becomes there [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► force one when the president of the [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► united states is on the plane and then [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► it gets that official designation and [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► that the two that they have right now [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► were a commissioned under the Reagan [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► administration and I believe george HW [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► bush was the first to fly them so these [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► are these planes have been in use for [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► the original George Bush Bill Clinton [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► George W Bush and Barack Obama and they [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► will be the ones that Trump gets the [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► that the new ones that the Air Force's [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► looking to commission would not be ready [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► until either the very very very tail end [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► of an eight-year Trump administration [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► which let's face it whenever you know if [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► we get eight years at Trump we going to [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► meet ya gonna be an earth day and I [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► don't want a lot more is his successor [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► anyway Trump bitched about the cost of [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► these planes and and Boeing's stock tank [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► you know not tagged it didn't recover [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► but he tweets and stocks move that it's [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► a fact I mean like we it in between the [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► joking about it and you know that the [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► partisanship of it i mean there's just [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► no denial that when the president's [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► state comes out and says he's you know [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► like to cancel of the five billion [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► dollar order for Air Force One [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► yeah that's going to have an effect on [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► the company yeah is it that I read the [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► other day that that on Bloomberg now the [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► Bloomberg terminals that-that-that-that [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► the market uses to keep track with Miz [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► as Trump streets on it now they just [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► feed Trump's tweets into the Bloomberg [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► terminals as it's important to know that [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► immediately exactly it moves the economy [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► that's like she sits [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► so now I I let me read for this because [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► i actually wrote to Ben depends on the [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► show all the time and he's a friend and [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► I told him I thought his take was [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► excellent it was I filed it under the [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► eye i wish i had a thought of it but [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► that exactly what you said that that the [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► hey I'm here to help you folks do well [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► that's actually an actual quote from him [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► i'm here to help you folks do well and [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► we're going to be there for you [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► yeah it's it is a violation of economics [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► is bunk reading from Ben's email [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► government on to be sent setting and [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► enforcing the rules of the game not [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► actively helping one of the teams it's a [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► recipe for not just corporate accuracy [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► and the inevitable corruption that comes [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► with it [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► parentheses this is where I know that [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► trumps children attended the meeting and [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► parentheses but the closing off of [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► opportunity to the unknown companies [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► that might challenge those large enough [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► to be quote helped this should be of [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► particular concern to the startup [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► ecosystem and I can't say it any better [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► than that I think it's exactly right [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► that it's that's you know and again you [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► say you know there's there's positives [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► and negatives to every system of [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► government but you know part of the gist [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► of a democratic capitalist nation is [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► that the role of government [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► I i think this is then again there's [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► only this is a partisan viewpoint I [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► think it's just a statement of fact that [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► kids learned in elementary school if the [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► role of the government is doing keep a [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► fair level playing field yeah it's all [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► out there as exactly it's all about [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► fairness and that's the discussion about [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► diversity to it's about fairness right [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► and you know protecting any idea that [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► the role of the president's to protect [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► the 10 biggest corporations and tech is [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► the opposite of it because the whole [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► point is that it's healthy for for [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► example you know like in if this meeting [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► had been held in nineteen eighty 180 [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► would have been one of the would have [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► been d probably the company right yeah [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► you know in fact that they yeah and it [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► goes against competition right you know [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► you look at it [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► Apple maps is getting better because [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► it's competing against google maps and [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► android is getting better because it's [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► competing against the iphone right that [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► that competition and having a [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► competition be fair is what makes it [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► work right if somebody comes along and [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► says you know well hey Tim Cook you know [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► he's gay [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► m-maybe Google's better right little [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► hole what did you're not competing on a [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► fair playing field at that point and I [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► think everybody in tech would have a [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► problem that ever affect hopefully [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► everybody in the US with our problem [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► with that yet that's the road that we're [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► heading down right now most most people [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► in Texas has been noted before this [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► meeting that most of the industry was [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► unfit you know on the side of Hillary [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► Clinton in this election on for several [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► reasons but a lot certainly largely on [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► on immigration and on social issues like [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► young gay rights and and don't like that [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► yeah one of the people though I believe [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► this CEO of oracle her name she's [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► actually in the same picture with with [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► yeah she looks very happy to be there [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► she's very enthusiastic in her remarks [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► before the the meeting and and then [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► after the meeting it was announced that [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► she's joining his transition team and in [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► some form right and she's going to be [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► obviously some people and selling [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► databases but my question is it there's [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► a large number of people and I think it [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► has to be addressed [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► whoo-hoo think that the people like Tim [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► Cook satya nadella from Microsoft larry [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► page from google should not have [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► attended this meeting they should have [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► declined the invitation [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► action ended on the basis that it was [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► just dog-and-pony show and it was just a [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► photo opportunity for Trump and his [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► children and his transition team to have [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► these people parade in front of the [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► media I mean there's a reason why the [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► media was there and that the photographs [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► are taken and it wasn't you know [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► certainly could have been held privately [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► if they wanted to was not it was help [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► publicly certainly not for the benefit [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► of those who are invited it was certain [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► you know only for the benefit of [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► companies transition team [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► I don't think that's disputable right [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► should they have declined the invitation [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► I on the basis of of it being a form of [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► protest against Trump and what he you [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► know what he campaigned on and what he's [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► you know trying to do [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► alright I think that they're playing a [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► longer game here [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► yes it is a PR opportunity in fact that [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► you know these that PR opportunity to [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► take a swipe at Twitter right now but [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► just over the whole crooked Hillary [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► thing and yeah I don't think you wanna [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► it's it's not a matter of a agreeing [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► with him at this point I think it's [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► pretty safe to do [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► oracle CEO is named safra catz by the [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► way I want to get that out there so [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► before the meetings after cats the one [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► who has joined his transition team while [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► remaining at oracle CEO i should add her [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► quote was I plan to tell the [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► president-elect that we are with him and [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► will help in any way we can [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► and my my take on during fireball was [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► that that sounds a lot like I'm ready to [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► spit science it's shining shoes because [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► ready to help in any way we can is an [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► end with him are pretty unequivocal [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► statement of support which i don't think [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► are supported and compare and contrast [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► that and I pointed this out on during [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► fireball I think Tim Cook ed and [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► unsurprisingly so was very very precise [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► in his on-the-record remarks so what [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► they did is they started the meeting by [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► going around the table and introduce [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► themselves and hit Tim Cook all he said [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► was Tim Cook very good to be here [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► not very glad very good to be here and I [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► look [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► very forward to talking to the [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► president-elect about the things that we [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► can do to help you achieve some things [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► you want my end of statement is not [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► raising a no it is not using it is not [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► its raising a stink [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► it's it's all played on the surface i'm [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► sure in the moment as it went around the [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► table and it went on but if you think [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► about those words precisely in [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► particular the difference between were [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► with you and ready to help in any way we [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► can from oracle vs help you achieve some [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► things you want like I said they're [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► playing a longer game here right and [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► they've played they've played games with [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► the federal government before right the [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► last year with the you know the whole [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► iphone FBI thing right there you know [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► they know that this is not just going to [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► end it all with Ali I'm never going to [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► know now that there are the it's [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► inevitable [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► now that they are the biggest we are at [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► least for now the biggest company by [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► market cap and you know and there's only [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► a handful of companies within spitting [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► distance you know alphabet being being I [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► think number two [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► exxonmobil looks like they might have a [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► good eight year there's four years at [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► least [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► but now that they're big now that [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► they're big they're now that they're big [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► though they they're obviously in the [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► crosshairs of a antitrust type stuff [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► which we saw with the ibooks thing which [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► I roll my eyes at because of the whole [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► fact that the ibookstore it's never the [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► dominant seller they were yeah they were [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► at every point along the way way smaller [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► than amazon but I would almost point [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► that as that was amazon it was amazon [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► who played the Justice Department and it [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► was apples like sort of disinterest in [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► on involvement in the big that game that [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► let them be painted in that corner [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► I think that's where they started [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► realizing that Washington is a game [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► right right that's there because it's [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► true it's beyond you know that what it [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► amazon had the Justice Department here [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► and I'm not saying it's corrupt I'm [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► saying no it was a mistake [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► were we look at that situation purely [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► from technical technical point of view [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► right in right there were engineers [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► right we wheats [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► see who's making what money and what you [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► know kind of money they're charging and [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► you know how the system works and and [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► that's not our Washington works at all [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► it's it's more emotions and politics and [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► leverage and that kind of thing so yeah [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► that's in fact that's probably what this [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► this you know they went into this [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► meeting with you know that's like okay [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► how am I gonna survive what's going on [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► here right let's let's let's you know [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► number one that did everybody who [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► attended that meeting know who else is [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► gonna be there [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► I believe so yes yeah you know and it's [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► it's interesting actually says it was [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► such a small small and invitation list [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► yeah i thought it interesting you know [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► that you know of the invites three of [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► them more women in Iran body the the CEO [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► or and Sheryl Sandberg alright alright [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► Zuckerberg did not attend Sandberg up [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► attended as the representative which i [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► think is that I don't even think it was [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► just to see a woman at the table i think [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► that my understanding again I don't [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► follow facebook anywhere near as closely [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► as I do [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► apple or some other companies but i [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► think it's representative of her role [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► there i think i think it's very fair to [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► say that she's she is tues och what Cook [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► was to Steve Jobs yep you know that more [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► than a lot more than a red typical coo [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► more of a partner [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► I've said this many times on the show [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► many many times but i believe it as much [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► now as I ever did that it during [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► especially i would say like from the [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► iphone on especially like but at some [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► point I believe now maybe even before [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► that I you know but at some point cook [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► clearly had jobs is trust and i really [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► do think that if you described Tim [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► Cook's day-to-day activities at Apple to [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► somebody who didn't know the company and [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► you said what position do you think this [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► person has that most people would say [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► well that sounds like he's the CEO that [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► Steve Jobs was really more like a [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► day-to-day head of product and [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► Tim Cook ran the company and I think [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► Sheryl Sandberg has that same role was [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► Zuckerberg can focus is his time [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► entirely on product and she handles yeah [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► this other stuff that needs to be [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► handled when you're as big an [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► influential is as Facebook and the [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► advantage for those people who are [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► charged with the innovation and [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► developing the products that they get to [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► think about things that are important to [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► them and you know there's a lot of stuff [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► that about running a company that that [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► people like that don't want to do right [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► so they're they're essential in that [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► regard right that the right they you [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► know that you know they're the ones that [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► keep the machine running and you know [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► that's probably a more appropriate [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► person to send to a meeting with Trump [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► then you know somebody whose innovative [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► and passionate and potentially going to [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► say something that's damaging to come [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► here is that this so that I i wrote this [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► and I don't like to try it out the what [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► if steve jobs were still around thing [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► too often because i think can be so [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► overused but i do O God that would have [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► been beautiful [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► well when I had a hot-headed I had an [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► interesting discussion with on twitter [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► about it and I you know I think [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► everybody i was it is me and matt trance [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► and dr. wave from pixar couple other [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► people and I think we were all in [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► complete agreement that if steve jobs in [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► the alternate universe where steve jobs [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► you know was still healthy and was still [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► at apple if if he were at that meeting [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► it would have been fascinating at least [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► as soon as the press left the room and [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► then there were reports i will add that [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► there were reports that that two of the [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► attendees cook and mosque got private [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► meetings with Trump afterwards so maybe [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► the fireworks would have happened in [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► that meeting if Steve Jobs had a private [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► meeting with Trump but there is [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► absolutely no way I don't you know damn [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► the torpedoes [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► there is no way Steve Jobs was Cal [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► telling to trump know and I don't think [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► he'll count-out either now I don't know [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► Terrance if I think the difference [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► was that could bite his tongue and Steve [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► Jobs couldn't I think that's one thing [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► about and that's one thing about the end [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► of the passion that's involved with [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► innovation right that's a much harder [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► thing to hold it back Tim Cook you know [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► he's a guy who negotiates contracts and [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► stuff he knows when to shut up but I [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► great there's a good chance and and the [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► doctor wave and rents I think agreed [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► that even in the alternate universe [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► where steve jobs is still an apple Cook [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► was the one who would go to that meeting [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► yesterday with the channel Sandberg [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► exactly yeah no no doubt in my mind that [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► that would happen because you know Steve [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► Jobs is with self-aware enough to know [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► that yes he had that streak and that [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► streak can be used for good it can also [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► be used for evil right and you know [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► that's well and at what it's got watchin [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► you watchin on the part of apple and [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► then on the other hand i also think it [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► would have been a strategy strategic way [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► to not give Trump what he wanted which [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► is that I mean Tim Cook is well no I [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► mean how yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► yes the biggest you know the company is [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► very well known but he's nowhere near as [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► famous as Steve Jobs ya know where you [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► have a day before Kanye West was having [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► a meeting with them right that's it [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► that's the level of person and he wants [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► to be associated with right day if if [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► you paid gallop to you know go around [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► the country and and get a you know [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► 10,000 random people and ask them who [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► Tim Cook is your I don't know what the [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► awareness is it certainly higher than [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► most people and most CEOs but if you ask [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► them who steve jobs is it's you know [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► it's practically up at like Walt Disney [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► levels right yeah they could describe [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► what it looks like and yeah assist yeah [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► that's right they're not serving not [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► sending Steve Jobs would have been a way [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► to sort of lesson apples involvement in [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► the dog-and-pony show of it we're a [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► nation doesn't really right yeah they [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► don't really do anything and everything [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► that it's a little bit of a way to give [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► Trump the finger to write you know just [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► no no we're not sending our best person [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► we're sending our second best person [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► Bezos what Bezos was there Jenny you [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► said Jimmy Jimmy Romney from IBM Larry [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► Page Google had two people [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► well alphabet and whatever Larry Page [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► what's his name smit area of it yeah and [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► Microsoft head to a satya nadella and [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► then Brad whatever-his-name-is their CEO [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► it was weird that Microsoft got google [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► got to an apple only got one and I [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► wonder if that was by choice if Apple [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► you know had no cookies like now we [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► don't need another one [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► yeah I thought that's why i say i was [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► interesting to know if you know how that [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► list of people was chosen [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► alright that's why did they sort of self [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► choose or were they asked specifically [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► like that we want these companies get an [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► invitation and they got to choose who to [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► go over the end of invitations to people [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► probably just to the company's I think [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► it looks like there are fixed number of [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► seats around that table and that table [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► time it dictated how many people are [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► going to be there so you know maybe [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► that's it maybe that's why Jack Dorsey [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► wasn't there [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► they're just didn't know was another [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► seat you know you don't know I suspect [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► not that him the the vindictive angle [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► coming out there's two things though [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► there's a cup [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► there's a couple angles on that one the [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► angle in favor of Dorsey being there [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► would be that Trump has made more use of [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► Twitter far more than he did facebook [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► I mean and it's I mean I don't think [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► it's close to 90 feet you know his [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► campaign has a presence on on facebook [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► but personally he's all Twitter it is [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► his facebook feed is not on Bloomberg [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► his twitter feed is on the right that's [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► it that's the bottom line right but the [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► other thing too is it does seem there's [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► a case to be made I think gabe gabe [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► rivera made it first he's Gabe is the [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► guy who runs the the excellent Technium [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► at a news aggregator that it seems as [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► though the invitation list was sorted in [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► order of market cap that it was just not [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► you know in terms of who got invited or [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► not it's the you know six or seven [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► biggest by market cap tech companies and [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► by that measure twitter isn't even close [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► because their stock is deeply depressed [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► I mean there it's done it and they're [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► not even in the ballpark if there are [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► cap and in their remarks in in Trump's [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► own remarks at the meeting he even [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► mentioned that [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► you know his way of bragging about the [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► meeting was it he said he didn't want to [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► talk about the he wasn't going to [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► mention the hundreds of companies that [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► called asking for a seat at this table [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► and that they were wondering that Peter [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► meeting Peter teal kept saying no [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► they're too small they're too small that [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► that and small meeting market cap i [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► think you know so that was already [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► measured right so I don't buy that [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► measure Twitter had no chance [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► yeah that's so they were measuring buy [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► influence they were measuring by you [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► money what is that smart [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► I don't know anyone that good you know [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► kind of goes back to the bend Thompson's [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► point right and I like the smaller [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► companies are often the ones that didn't [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► even more interesting stuff and the [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► stuff that affects the future [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► yeah and then your eyes the economy [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► forward over well in the government [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► certainly shouldn't play a central role [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► in determining the anyone else the other [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► story that came out was that the twitter [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► did not get invited because of its had a [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► dispute from the summer that Twitter [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► sells these things called branded emoji [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► well they call branded emoji we can I [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► can go on our side rant about the use of [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► emoji and that context in a moment but [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► the gist of it is that a sponsor can buy [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► a hashtag and then when people tweet [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► that hashtag they automatically get a [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► emoji are little sticker an illustration [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► behind it so for example right now if [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► you tweet the hashtag rogue one you get [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► a little death star image after the [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► thing that I wasn't aware of this [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► because i like anybody with any kind of [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► who their taste i use a third-party [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► twitter client on everywhere all just [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► about everywhere and these things are [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► only visible and Twitter zone to twitter [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► apps and this stupid ass ugly Twitter [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► website so i wasn't aware of this but [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► apparently over the summer the Trump [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► campaign wanted to buy one for hashtag [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► crooked Hillary and oh who even knows [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► what the icon would have been I think [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► they said they wanted to be a bag of [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► money flying away or something like that [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► I don't know [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► and Twitter a declined to accept the [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► sponsorship apparently Jack maybe Jack [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► Dorsey himself put the pics on it and [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► that the Trump campaign hasn't forgotten [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► hey I don't think that's it i'm not sure [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► that it i'm sure it didn't help because [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► i think they are vindictive and petty [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► people but I don't really I i think that [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► the market cap ankle is a bigger one [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► I think yeah if it now that you mention [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► that it's probably a Peter teal had more [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► influence on was at that table then then [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► from yourself it's it really sounded it [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► sounded like Trump stoner marks that it [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► was really largely just you know there [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► was a list of finalists and Trump random [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► by T land till said yes yes no no no yes [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► yes [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► dark or vice versa right maybe tail at [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► the way after more like it sounded more [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► like it was till he was given the s's [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► know that I mean obviously if trumpet [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► said i want i want Twitter it would [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► happen but yea Aztec people we have a [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► different view on all this you know it's [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► like it's like this this Russian hacking [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► thing right [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► it's like you know that to me is totally [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► you know it's really first hint of that [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► was like oh yeah because anybody has run [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► a server the scene you know IP addresses [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► from you know the Eastern Bloc taking [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► our servers you know looking for you [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► know WP login pages PHP my man in [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► artistic just like they're just they're [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► looking for ways into what you're doing [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► and and you know that that that you see [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► the effectively presidential election is [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► just you know a good meeting you again [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► back to the fairness argument you know [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► how in the hell is that fair [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► did you see that a among all of the just [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► like series of unfortunate events that [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► all just happened to break the wrong way [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► for the Clinton campaign and yeah one [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► thing after another and that just all [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► broke the wrong way but one of them was [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► that when [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► John Podesta got the phishing email and [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► it was forwarded on to somebody like [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► what's going on with this and the person [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► on the staff who you know evaluated it [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► wanted to write back this [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► this email is illegitimate John should [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► change his password immediately but [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► instead wrote inadvertently this email [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► is legitimate John should changes are [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► almost immediately and so apparently he [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► because it said that he used the link in [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► the email to change his password [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► alright and that this person who wrote [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► made this mistake and wrote legitimate [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► where they wanted to write illegitimate [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► ah yeah it's a couple letters on the [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► keyboard that we've all right made the [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► mistake with right is you know [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► heartbroken and as apparently is [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► apparently crushed and I lang and you [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► know that the flip side of it okay yeah [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► they they hacked the Democrats well you [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► do you think they hacked the Republicans [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► to there's it widely it's that's [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► actually you know they haven't leaked [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► but it's a taxi i mean this isn't [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► speculation a text ya at that depth me [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► is leverage and blackmail and all the [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► other nasty shit so you know this is you [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► know that that this is an issue it [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► clearly a nonpartisan issue right after [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► the the chills [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► yes it should be and if you try to say [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► that this is all the Democrats are just [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► you know sour grapes like that's [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► bullshit [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► now this is this affects everybody right [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► this is you know again it goes back to [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► the fairness the others that our [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► government should be a level playing [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► field yes there are two teams right and [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► they compete against each other right if [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► the 50 fucking playing field is level we [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► got a problem and I don't want to be too [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► histrionic about it but it does [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► fundamentally come down to whether the [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► parties see themselves as two opposing [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► parties within one nation or they view [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► each other as their enemies and at the [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► Democrats clearly still see the [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► Republicans as their opposition and [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► Republicans see the Democrats [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► as their enemy and yet and that's again [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► I don't mean to be histrionic it sounds [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► if you if you happen to be a [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► conservative bent you think that that's [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► just me being a liberal you can see it [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► in the polls where a poll came out today [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► of what's your net positive or negative [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► on the following people and they asked [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► Reports survey of the Republicans in the [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► United States it was like barack obama [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► was a negative 64 net- Hillary Clinton [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► was a net negative 77 and the latter [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► mere Putin was negative 10 right so the [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► latin beauty is is 54 points more [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► popular among Republicans than Barack [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► Obama i mean it's it's no joke [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► you're kidding or exaggeration that the [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► Republican Party largely sees the [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► Democrats is more of their enemy then [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► they do the Russian which is not [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► especially for people of our age where [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► the Americans will have who were the [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► hardline realists ok so i'm just going [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► to i was just going to say and I ronald [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► reagan is rolling over in his grave [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► well as a kid and a teenager when I [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► first you know became politically aware [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► and I was a news junkie I I viewed [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► myself more as a republican a democrat [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► because I thought that the Republicans [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► were the party of a on Adina to put it [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► succinctly the party of the cold hard [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► truth and that the Democrats were more [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► of saw what they wished for a party [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► mhm you know and that the the main issue [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► at the time wasn't something like [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► climate change or a few other things [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► where it comes out but climate change is [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► a perfect example today where one party [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► is looking at facts and the other party [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► is just believing what they want to be [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► true but at the time the preeminent [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► issue was the Cold War because it was [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► you know hey if this turns out poorly [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► every world network squared yeah that [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► looks like they're all that is it like [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► game with no winners [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► yeah and it seemed to me like the [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► Republicans where the why I think [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► history has shown it to be true that the [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► Republicans were the ones who look [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► at it with it you know old cold hard [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► facts half right so it's ridiculous to [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► me that they've now become the party [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► that's like russia's good people [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► well maybe they are good people but [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► Russian government leadership God good [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► yeah it's and it's kind of like you know [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► that that they have to you know the two [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► it's a win-at-all-costs kind of [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► situation for them right and and the [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► others visited that the problem I have [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► is that those costs are going up in ways [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► that hurt our society and hurt our [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► government now I mean well I wanted i'ma [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► time at odds with many people in my [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► family now because of this i'm sure [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► that's not a lot of people and I socks [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► do but you know they had to vote for the [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► Republican person because you know that [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► and in it and the fact that that is you [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► know that the people that are [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► celebrating it at the Trump when include [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► the Ku Klux Klan and in evangelical [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► Christians in the same group [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► I mean what is wrong there alright well [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► you get start to get the feeling that [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► maybe the evangelical Christian based me [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► maybe Christianity isn't that you just [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► started to think maybe it's not their [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► top priority our faith that people are [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► inherently good were screwed [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► well let me use that as a segue to talk [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► about Harry's razors this is alec this [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► shows coming out tonight [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► december 16 this is a gift that you can [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► get you've got time if you're listening [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► to this show tonight on the sixteenth [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► you can even still get ground shipping [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► after tonight you're gonna have to pay [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► for air shipping but you can get this as [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► a gift for the holidays [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► still you got act hope you're listening [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► to the show while it's hot off the press [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► you know pressed onto the 45 record or [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► ever used to listen to the show but if [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► you act quick you can do it you can go [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► to Harry's calm and get an order in [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► now why would this make a good gift [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► well one of the reasons is it's a great [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► product i've said this before they make [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► nice handles really really great nice [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► blades they own their own razor blade [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► factory this is how they get the prices [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► down this is how they keep the quality [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► of their not just like buying [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► white-label razor blades and putting the [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► Harry's name on them they own a razor [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► blade factory over in Germany that they [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► make their own there's no middlemen no [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► distributors no no markup on the way to [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► 22 retail it's just they make them they [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► package them they sell them to you so [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► it's a great product and they've got [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► good shaving cream and and stuff like [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► that they've got what i have here a [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► limited edition set if you haven't heard [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► of them before you can get this set [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► comes with the razor handle of your [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► choice [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► shaving cream replacement blades and a [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► nice little travel cover they have [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► something called The Winston set that [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► includes an engravable chrome handle if [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► you want to add a personalized touch the [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► other reason these things make a nice [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► gift is that the packaging is so nice so [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► you can wrap this up and when people [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► open it it's not like you sound like [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► you're giving him one of these blister [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► pack razor blades that you get a [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► drugstore where it looks you know this [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► looks like you've bought them like a [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► nice thing like you even if you don't [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► even know what's inside it's just like [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► this cool box it's it's not like a [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► blister pack where you got to go get a [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► razor blade just to open the damn thing [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► up an icebox with a nice lid I've said [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► before it's the type of packaging it's [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► so good that I feel bad throwing it out [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► and I have to defeat my sort of natural [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► inclination to be a pack rat and keep it [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► like why in the world would I keep an [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► empty box that had razor blades in it [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► stupid but it's so nice i always paint [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► me as I toss it into the the bathroom [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► trashcan a great great product so if [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► you're listening tonight if you can [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► still get ground shipping otherwise you [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► know you gotta you gotta pay for air [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► shipping if you want to get this as a [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► gift but you can go to Harry's dot-com [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► and you can use the code talk show just [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► plain talk show know the and you'll get [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► five bucks off you're at if you use that [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► code at checkout talk show know the at [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► harrods.com go there check it out if [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► you've got anybody on your list needs a [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► last-minute gift you can already [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► happened and get that in [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► my thanks to them great product [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► alright I'm done talking about politics [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► let's have fun yeah this is like is [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► Trump's office storm stuff is no fun [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► well it's no fun but we gotta deal with [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► it but I gotta deal with you can put [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► your head in the sand and that's the [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► reason why I think that's the reason I [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► think I just a red put a bow on this [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► topic that's the reason why i think it [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► was right the tim cook and jeff bezos [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► and satya nadella and whoever else went [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► to the meeting you can put your head in [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► the sand you can't just put your fingers [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► in your ears and go lalala [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► you know I don't want this guy to be the [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► president you gotta look at it you gotta [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► stare right in the eyes you know [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► pretending that it didn't happen exactly [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► stay angry and don't let it get [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► normalized because this is not normal [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► no matter you know what anybody says [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► it's all you know he'll it will all play [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► out well it's like no this is not going [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► to play out well I just hope not I hope [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► we're around in four years to have [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► another election because you know you [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► used you see the shit happening with you [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► know China right now it's like oh jesus [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► this is not where we want to go [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► it's like yeah so for my parents [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► generation that happened in Cuba right [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► then and then people freaked out well [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► hey guess what it's this generations [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► chance to have that little freakout [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► moment yet let's not talk about the [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► politics anymore i've got one thing [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► that's even less fun it's even less fun [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► than Trump and I have to talk about it [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► no fun at all it's super mario run came [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► out and my god it's got an in-app [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► purchase oh my god so everyone came out [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► yesterday [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► here's how it works i think it was a [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► mystery i don't think it was announced [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► how exactly it i think i think we knew [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► was that it was going to be a free [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► download with a couple levels to play [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► for free and then you have to buy it so [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► way it works is free download you get [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► three levels to play after that you need [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► to buy it and it's ten bucks but the way [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► that they're doing the in-app purchases [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► such that the 10 boxes per device i [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► think i don't think i think if i had an [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► ipad i think I'd stuff that I've heard a [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► complaint from my colleagues shawnee [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► birds said that he had to buy for [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► himself and his three kids got it he's [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► got three boys that want to play it [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► and you know it's a forty-dollar game [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► for him now from Nintendo's perspective [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► that's the way it's always worked right [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► if you if you have a 3ds and your kids [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► have a 3ds and you want to play this [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► game you could you at the same time you [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► could you don't have to buy your own [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► version of it now it when it was [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► cartridges you could like share the [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► cartridge but then only one of you can [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► play it at a time and there's no way to [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► do that with in-app purchase you can [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► have an in-app purchase that says your [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► whole family can use this app but only [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► one of you can use it at a time just [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► doesn't work that way so from the [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► nintendos perspective this isn't that [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► unusual and they don't sell ten dollar [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► games for the 3ds this would be like a [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► forty or fifty dollar game for the 3ds [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► but on the other hand before anybody [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► even says it and writes to me don't [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► write to me i understand that even with [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► the purchase this entire game is [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► probably less expensive than a typical [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► 3ds game that it's smaller whatever I [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► can't get 10 boxes so little [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► honestly I do get it and that family [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► sharing we use it we do we got a lot of [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► stuff on the family sharing here in this [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► particular case I I can't blame it i [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► want intended to make money on this [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► I do yeah I i I'd love to see a lot of [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► game developers make money but yeah no [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► argument from me that ten dollars is a [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► per-device is a premium price for an [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► iphone game but honestly I've played [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► this game for a day now it's a premium [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► game it is a premium game so yeah and I [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► can and the the book problem right now [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► though is that there are a lot of people [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► who have been indoctrinated into the and [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► all i can earn coins to to get what I [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► want right it shouldn't cost me anything [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► and they're the ones that are [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► complaining about you know just this [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► game right at the I mean we all love it [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► is as developers we would all love it [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► people just paid for the thing right [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► that's what we all want just just spend [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► your money if you like it buy it and in [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► instead we're jumping through all these [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► hoops you know doing you know things [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► that make people look like they're not [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► spending money because we call them [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► coins instead of dollars and [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► you know it's it's all you know that the [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► deception and and let's just forget [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► about that and kudos to to the handover [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► just say hey it's going to cost you ten [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► dollars deal with it [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► yeah and the three levels that they let [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► you play before you are asked for a [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► nickel [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► I think are indicative of the the [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► gameplay and they even show you on a [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► there's like when you complete a level [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► they show you that there's six worlds of [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► four levels each and so you get through [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► the first three levels of the first [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► world before you have to pay to continue [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► you both have it you both have a very [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► fair idea of what the game is like to [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► play and you also have a very fair idea [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► of how much is unlocked right when you [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► pay the 10 bucks you do that to me too [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► very fair deal and I think it you know [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► again I you know and if you've got you [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► know somebody's out there surely has [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► three or four kids you know and it's [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► like hey it's you know you tell me it's [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► sixty dollar purchase for my kids and my [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► wife and I to play this I understand [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► that you know that that's pretty lights [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► a lot of money for iphone game but you [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► know I it i'd much rather have nintendo [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► doing this and having it as a fair [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► upfront price than to see Nintendo's to [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► come to the you know keep putting two [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► dollars in to buy a bag of coins to keep [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► going you know where to alright get past [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► this log jam you know this level is for [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► all intent intent and purposes [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► unbeatable unless you've got a thousand [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► coins and you can only really have a [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► thousand coins if you pay us three bucks [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► right where go watch a bunch ads or [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► whatever the hell these other games make [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► you do it's you know it's not like that [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► and I think it's you know and it to me [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► that somebody I i know i'm not a [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► die-hard gamer and probably the opposite [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► actually probably spend a lot less time [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► playing video games than the average [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► person my age and probably for someone [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► who's interested in technology and [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► computers way I'm probably way at the [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► bottom in terms of how much time I spent [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► playing games i get the impression [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► you're probably the same as me i went to [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► my childhood before nintendo became a [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► i I don't I don't get mario or any of [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► the you know the [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► that whole eighties gaming thing because [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► the nominating I was you know 20 years [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► old and had become an adult life so yeah [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► it a different story for you to all that [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► not only would a friend of mine having [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► sorry but you know it's just the pong [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► and all the other kinda crappy games and [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► and you know at the same time that that [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► was happening I was also discovering [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► computers so it's like I could write my [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► own computer games why the hell am I [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► sitting in front of the TV e fiddling [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► with this little dial that's like calm [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► and I got I got a basic interpreter this [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► is way better [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► right i understand the feeling exactly [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► yeah i could be making something and [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► that's this date and I'm glad it [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► happened that way it made you know made [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► me who I am [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► yeah I have an on/off I've never been a [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► huge Nintendo fan I never like I didn't [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► like the NES and I went in my college [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► years there was the at this is not the [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► n64 super nintendo super nintendo was [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► the one of the early nineties early and [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► mid nineties i had a Sega Genesis which [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► was I thought the superior system at [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► least for the type of games i wanted to [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► play like John Madden football and that [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► the NHL hockey game and Sega's version [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► of mario was Sonic the Hedgehog em right [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► here's the 22 d scroller i did have an [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► n64 which I liked a lot later on [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► probably the last console I really [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► played a lot although i guess i had an [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► original xbox too i played that [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► sometimes how old were you when your own [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► as a kid [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► well when what how old were you when [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► you're playing these games Sega Genesis [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► was my college years so that archaic 91 [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► 296 right roughly that was a 32-bit [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► system i was at 16 years yeah you said [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► that its you're sending a dorm room with [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► the its up thing to party with right [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► yeah exactly it was a dorm was a big [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► room thing and it's partly because the [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► the EA sports games I don't even know [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► that they had them for Nintendo's Super [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► Nintendo and if they did they were [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► inferior like that the Sega Genesis was [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► better at [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► sports games and that was what we all [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► played each other and that was what we [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► played non-stop and 64 was good though [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► there was this gold my game [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► anybody who had it knows exactly what [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► I'm talking about and anybody that was [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► at 3d shooter and you'd play you can [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► play against your roommate and it it was [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► split screen so you each got like you [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► split the screen it because it was a 423 [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► screen it was African if it was [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► horizontal and you've got like a real [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► wide angle thing or if it was [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► side-to-side i think it was actually [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► forget true story to story I had a [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► roommate my first year after college I [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► had a roommate a Don and we played we [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► had an n64 and that was when the [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► PlayStation first came out the original [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► playstation and what we used to do was [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► rent video games you could go to be how [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► to get a disk so you'd go to blockbuster [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► and you could rent a game for four days [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► for I don't know five bucks four bucks [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► way cheaper than buying $60 games right [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► we didn't have the money to buy a bunch [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► of 64 games the renting thing was [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► awesome [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► so we have an n64 you basically it's a [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► binge on the game and you know you if [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► you're getting that the the content for [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► that so go to blog we'd go to [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► blockbuster and you look and like the [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► PlayStation section had all of these [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► awesome games like at the time realistic [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► car racing games and shooters and all [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► these awesome games and then a nintendo [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► section had like seven titles and most [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► of them for like four little kids but [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► then goldeneye came out and goldeneye [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► fixed everything in fact that [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► effectively are n64 turned into a [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► dedicated golden-eyed box it was a good [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► one player game it had this a very long [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► campaign where you played James Bond [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► going through the gold movie scenario [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► really good first part you know 1 player [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► mode and then the two-player thing was [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► just unbelievably fun unbelievably fun [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► and eventually I got just every was one [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► of the only games i ever got pretty good [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► at and I i got ever so slightly better [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► than Don was like this is after maybe a [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► whole year of playing [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► and I was always a fraction of a section [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► a second quicker than him and it got to [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► the point where he couldn't be here we [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► used to be like 50 50 and it was I [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► somehow gained like i leveled up a [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► little bit and he couldn't beat me at [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► one time me through this controller out [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► the window and we lived on the third [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► floor and divine help control our but it [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► was the most satisfying victory ever [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► right and look at be more satisfying and [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► making your friend throw his controller [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► out the window [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► yeah but that point you're pretty much [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► done with the game right because the guy [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► that you can never win again and you [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► know it's like okay my play you know but [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► anyway then my other experience with [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► nintendo's we had the wii the one the [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► first you know not the we don't ya gonna [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► get the week was great [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► not that the one where he did have that [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► big basically the physical games are [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► awesome [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► right right it's just got people moving [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► around i thought that was right and that [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► that was how John learn to play video [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► games we had that when he was I don't [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► know three or four or something like [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► that and that's a little like that's [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► another one where you can throw the [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► controller but not necessarily because [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► um it right we have these we have this [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► weird Jonas I laugh about it is Jonas is [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► very much into video games now he's [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► almost 13 is that when he first started [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► playing there's a great great series [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► games these Lego games where you play as [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► a lego character from like movies and [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► you go through and you know like the one [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► that we play that was the first one was [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► the lego star wars and you dis game and [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► it had all six of the original Star Wars [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► movies meaning the first three from you [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► know the eighties then the prequels and [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► II each one was broken up into six like [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► adventure so you had 36 adventures to go [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► through from all of the Star Wars movies [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► and you just play as two characters at [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► the same time on screen and you go [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► through and smash things up and take the [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► bricks and rebuild them into other [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► things and it was very very good just [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► very fun very very kid friendly but very [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► fun for me as an adult to play too but [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► the funny thing was that when we first [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► are playing out of Genesis three or four [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► probably around four was that and it's [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► sort of i can I so what's a isomorphic [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► pretty perspective [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► isometric right yeah isometric [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► perspective the game and it Jonas just [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► had tremendous trouble like if you had [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► to walk on it you had to get your [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► terrible all accounts catwalk diagonally [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► right I not even like a tightrope but [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► you know but like a a three-character [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► wide catwalk that was at a 45-degree [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► angle he would just keep falling off and [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► it's one of these games read you don't [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► we did you probably didn't have the [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► spatial capabilities in his brain right [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► that's just the right being able to say [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► to project that into right it is mine [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► yeah and if I transferred into a [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► movement with his thumb right right and [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► it's one of these games are one of a [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► part of that part of what made it so [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► much fun to play with a little kid is [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► that you you never you don't run out of [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► lives and have to start the level over [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► every time you die you just lose some of [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► the coins you picked up and it just [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► shoot you back to you know 15 you know [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► five feet away from where you died you [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► just keep responding and Udall you lose [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► our these coins and when you finish the [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► level with the most coins it's an [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► accomplishment so you know you can you [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► know finishing without buying which is [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► gives you more coins so there's an [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► advantage to not dying but you never [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► actually like have to start the level of [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► her but there would be a certain things [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► where he just basically could navigate [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► and Italy I think I'm a pretty patient [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► father but eventually it's like just [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► give me that give me that haha [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► dad's gonna help you out here right and [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► it wasn't like getting in past like a [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► boss you know villain it was just [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► getting him through like a very narrow [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► hard to navigate little thing and it's [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► just very it's very comical now when i [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► try to play video games with him because [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► he's actually the opposite yeah I was [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► gonna say kick these kicking your ass [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► now right cause including on he's got [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► nice i could reflect your reflexes ya s [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► what was it was a lego game like lego [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► batman or something like that and I was [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► like I'll play that with you and I [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► started playing and it was clear that i [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► was holding up that right anything you [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► know he loves you and everything we talk [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► about your feelings but he's like dad [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► just just well I was like remember when [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► you'd be the one holding me back and [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► he'd be if he laughs he had a good and [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► yeah but it was very clear that i was [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► the one holding him back [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► anyway I wish nintendo the best i think [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► they're going to do very well with that [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► complaints about the prices side it does [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► seem like they're being very aggressive [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► on the trying to keep the whatever [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► countermeasures they've taken against [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► piracy it seems like they've done quite [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► a bit [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► one of them being and here's the one [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► that's going to affect honest people the [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► most is the game does not play if you [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► don't have a network connection i tested [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► it is very true [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► like if you turn on airplane mode and [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► try to start the game it says look you [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► know try to move this trying to move [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► somewhere where you have a better [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► network connection [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► oh that's not gonna that's not going to [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► play out well I mean it soon as somebody [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► you know it's like on launch day you're [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► not going to notice that but over time [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► you know you're going to be one even [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► played in that in the subway on an [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► airplane airplane right yeah well and [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► it's funny people have even pointed out [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► that the announcement miyamoto even said [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► because it's totally playable one-handed [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► that it's great to play in the subway [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► now maybe and I know maybe he's thinking [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► of I don't know I've never been to Tokyo [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► but maybe tokyo i wouldn't be surprised [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► if it is one of those cities with us [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► yes you have are you be good cell [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► service [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► yeah I noticed the last time up last [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► trip to WTC that the tercel service and [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► barknow you know from the airport to [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► downtown you pretty much have a network [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► connection all the time [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► alright but when this witness news came [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► out that the game doesn't work without a [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► network connection a bunch of readers [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► wrote to me and just said well my kid [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► you know has a ipod touch or you know [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► that the the ipod touch that an awful [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► lot of kids have is a two or three-year [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► old iphone that doesn't have a sim card [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► you know just a hand-me-down here's my [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► you know this was dad's iphone from two [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► years ago [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► just take the self just take the sim [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► card out and you've got a you know a [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► hand-me-down ipod touch and entices yeah [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► and a car trips that's another it you [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► know yeah that's it that's exactly it do [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► you want it in then ok ok where you have [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► to set up a Wi-Fi hotspot just the kids [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► complain intend oh right right [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► it's like thanks right let's drain mom [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► and dad's batteries so we can play [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► Nintendo [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► and I saw something about the fact that [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► the game has a lot of it doesn't seem to [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► run on a lot of jail Brooks it seems I [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► which he only makes me think that [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► nintendo is specifically looking for [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► signs of common jailbreaks and is [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► refusing to run how they cannot do that [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► that's actually hard thing to do in the [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► sandbox use the Apple might've looked [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► the other way I one of these things i [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► don't know i don't want to know you know [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► not knowing how it works or anything but [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► month that would be my first reaction [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► it's like maybe there's my other [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► question or eight other questions [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► it's it is iOS exclusive right now it is [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► apparently coming to android eventually [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► how long do you think until it comes out [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► on Android and be a google will probably [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► want to use it like Apple did is the way [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► to to promote new software release or [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► something like that i could see it [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► happening at the next io or something [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► just forget I wonder if they played well [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► at the iphone 7 launched it will play [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► well at some google launched so i think [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► that that would be your answer [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► so maybe like six months I don't know [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► what is it was in six months I don't [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► yeah who knows I mean it's that the [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► half-life for games these days pretty a [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► pretty insane it's it's like a Pokemon [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► go right middle of summer it was just [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► everywhere attacking you know we had a [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► back down to the beach where do i go [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► every day it's like there's just one [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► tree that everybody standing under [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► because that shade and pokemon terms & [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► Company kind of funny is like everybody [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► walked my idea of the pokemon spotting [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► on and you know you talk to people there [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► yeah I'm late for them you know the gym [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► or whatever it is and oh my god I saw a [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► thing on something on Twitter I wish I [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► had had it but it was the gist of it was [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► somebody was like oh my god I can't [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► believe they had to put the sign up [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► somebody was in like a museum [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► oh yeah or something and it was like a [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► part where they were showing like [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► something really grave and serious it [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► was like relics from a like a [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► concentration camp or something like [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► that you know something really really [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► grave and serious you know like here's a [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► bunch of artifacts from some kind of [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► internment camp early i don't think was [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► the Holocaust but something like that [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► we're like a bunch of people were you [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► know political no prisoners and and [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► people died and went on a long time and [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► there's a sign up that said please no [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► pokemon go right like because that you [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► can only imagine like a sign like that [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► doesn't go up unless people were doing [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► yeah I know like some ya ever hear that [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► they're reacting to something [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► yeah right I you know I thought they [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► don't want it in it in the middle of [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► summer I was but one of the thoughts I [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► had was like that you what happens when [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► it gets cold at all these people going [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► out hunting for pokemon what they're [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► going to do when it's you know raining [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► or snowing or you know middle of a [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► hurricane or whatever and it's like em [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► you know so that they watched that in a [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► really good time and you know maybe they [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► have [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► have [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► the expectation that it is going to have [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► six great months and then who knows [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► I think we're in the who knows right now [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► and I think you know maybe you know [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► Mario on iOS is going to be the same way [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► I suspect or not it's there's a lot to [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► be said for that brand same is true with [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► pokemon there you know this huge Brandt [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► a lot of the nostalgia and that brand [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► I mean that's just you know the fact [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► that you were you know talking about you [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► know all your past consoles and games [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► you played I mean that's it doesn't it's [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► nostalgia is a powerful thing and yeah [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► that's it in it it's it's interesting [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► too that that that Mario is is is [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► nostalgic that's getting passed on right [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► there there's a there's a generation of [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► kids now that we're going to grow up and [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► their first encounter with Mario is [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► going to be you know on their their [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► iphone their ipad there [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► I know ipod touch you know that's that's [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► their beginning and working over here [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► who knows [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► yeah the comparison i think is you know [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► and it's it's obvious one that a [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► thousand people have made before is to [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► mickey mouse and the Donald Duck and you [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► know the whole gang of characters that [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► is you know so old that the disney [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► literally has to keep petitioning the US [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► federal government to keep extending the [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► copyright expiration date because [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► they're sold that they would have [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► already passed into the public domain by [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► now and yet are completely relevant and [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► popular and and a good source of revenue [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► right now get me that whatever you want [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► to be popular for a reason right [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► well in one reason one reason why that [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► they remain popular is that even under [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► Walt Disney I think it started with Walt [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► was don't be afraid to move them into [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► new media just keep keep going up with [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► technology don't don't don't say will [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► make he's a movie star so he's never [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► going to be on TV now we're going to [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► have a TV show and and you know get [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► everybody to watch it is one of my [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► favorite stories and it's one of the [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► best comparisons between Walt Disney and [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► steve jobs that I've ever seen was that [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► he was so willing to let go of the past [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► and always hungry for the future which [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► was the it goes against human nature i [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► mean it even ties back to our discussion [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► on trumpet those tech leaders and Trump [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► seeing his job as president as [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► protecting the current top companies as [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► opposed to just keeping it fair and [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► letting the revolution happened you know [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► Walt was you know in the fifties when TV [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► started becoming thing the movie studios [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► were totally disdainful of television [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► and saw it as a lesser medium I mean we [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► saw that until it really up until they [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► just a handful of years ago [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► we're being a an actor in the movies [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► with c is seen as way more serious than [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► being an actor and TV it really took [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► until the last handful of years and [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► shows like The Sopranos and madmen and [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► West world where people & Game of [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► Thrones where people see TV is being as [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► good or even better than movies [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► yeah Walt Disney unlike all the other [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► hollywood studios the other Holly do it [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► the way that Hollywood attack the TV was [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► by my and part of it is cool i love [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► cinema scope and seventy millimeter [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► prince is that that's when TV that's [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► when movies switched from the 43 aspect [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► ratio 1699 and bigger the bigger [TS]