The Talk Show

175: ‘Uncle Joe’s Bathtub Gin’, With Special Guest Glenn Fleishman


00:00:00   what an amazing technology indoor [TS]

00:00:02   plumbing is yet you're Steven Johnson [TS]

00:00:05   fan right [TS]

00:00:05   yes yes so you know his book ghost map [TS]

00:00:08   from several years ago decade ago 2006 [TS]

00:00:11   it was about the the fellow who [TS]

00:00:14   basically invented epidemiology yeah and [TS]

00:00:17   but it also has a really long discussion [TS]

00:00:21   about how before I mean there's indoor [TS]

00:00:24   plumbing then this is actually when we [TS]

00:00:25   had generated indoor plumbing in cities [TS]

00:00:27   how what happened to all the effluvia [TS]

00:00:30   where'd it go [TS]

00:00:32   are all these specialized professions to [TS]

00:00:36   deal with like night soil and other [TS]

00:00:37   types of there were various products and [TS]

00:00:39   various people his professions were to [TS]

00:00:42   handle the products of society and its [TS]

00:00:46   really incredible like that like the [TS]

00:00:48   book is great that's about sort of how [TS]

00:00:49   empirical science becomes a thing that [TS]

00:00:52   we then start to rely on it changes the [TS]

00:00:54   nature of medicine and health but it's [TS]

00:00:55   also like wow there are a lot of people [TS]

00:00:57   employed dealing with shit in London I [TS]

00:00:59   mean you have to you have to be well [TS]

00:01:02   it's if you think about it it's not just [TS]

00:01:04   I I at first thought it often just seems [TS]

00:01:07   like wow that would be inconvenient but [TS]

00:01:10   but the volume right that it oh man this [TS]

00:01:14   smells right like it's like once a year [TS]

00:01:17   so i end up having to go in like a [TS]

00:01:20   port-a-potty for some reason or another [TS]

00:01:22   you know i'm at some sort of event where [TS]

00:01:25   you've got to go in a porta potty and [TS]

00:01:27   port-a-potty technology i think has it [TS]

00:01:30   been enhanced significant degree where [TS]

00:01:32   where where there's that blue stuff [TS]

00:01:33   that's in the hole that I think does [TS]

00:01:36   take care of an awful lot of the [TS]

00:01:38   unpleasant odors of just releasing your [TS]

00:01:43   your waist into all literally just like [TS]

00:01:46   a big bucket the tent cabin to cabin tip [TS]

00:01:52   ad campaign recently and experience more [TS]

00:01:55   sort of filled the train style [TS]

00:01:57   right but that was different it always [TS]

00:01:58   occurs to me that that was what going to [TS]

00:02:00   the bathroom was like every single time [TS]

00:02:02   i went to the bathroom [TS]

00:02:04   oh yeah I try to think like when we [TS]

00:02:05   think about the past we think about [TS]

00:02:06   inconveniences and I think about horses [TS]

00:02:08   and money streets and all that like that [TS]

00:02:11   we watching westworld just finished up I [TS]

00:02:14   i have watched westworld then this [TS]

00:02:17   the series is extraordinary I think the [TS]

00:02:20   finale is great i really really like [TS]

00:02:21   that we have an episode coming out on [TS]

00:02:23   the incomparable about the whole with [TS]

00:02:25   awful spoilers and but you know that's [TS]

00:02:27   the vision of the West but it's really [TS]

00:02:28   neat and clean so that you're shooting [TS]

00:02:30   each other and there's fornication and [TS]

00:02:32   so forth but there is no horse manure on [TS]

00:02:35   the streets of Rascals cleaned up have [TS]

00:02:37   often thought the thing that we can't [TS]

00:02:38   replicate we think about the past is the [TS]

00:02:40   smell right and then and that constant [TS]

00:02:43   mass like everything was dirty and [TS]

00:02:45   everything smelled until like 1910 or 89 [TS]

00:02:49   hear something like that and then [TS]

00:02:51   started to improve gradually and then by [TS]

00:02:53   the nineteen-thirties cities smelled a [TS]

00:02:56   lot less and by the fifties it was sort [TS]

00:02:58   of like it things smelled something was [TS]

00:02:59   terribly terribly wrong right I've heard [TS]

00:03:02   maybe was even in the steven johnson [TS]

00:03:05   book but I it now it makes sense but [TS]

00:03:08   like it didn't like the late at the turn [TS]

00:03:11   of the last century the streets of major [TS]

00:03:13   cities like new york and philadelphia in [TS]

00:03:16   London were just it ever just curb to [TS]

00:03:19   curb horseshit [TS]

00:03:20   this isn't fixing it was just the [TS]

00:03:22   streets were just paved with a layer of [TS]

00:03:24   horseshit because there was no way to [TS]

00:03:26   keep up with her [TS]

00:03:27   john is a metaphor for this year it [TS]

00:03:29   could be i sort of feel like that's what [TS]

00:03:31   we're talking about one thing with [TS]

00:03:33   another but I did think that westworld I [TS]

00:03:35   i thought that it was weird that the [TS]

00:03:37   that they never addressed that the sort [TS]

00:03:40   of the roughing it aspects of I mean I [TS]

00:03:45   did this is not a spoiler the basic [TS]

00:03:47   concept of the show is not a spoiler [TS]

00:03:48   that it's at some point in the future [TS]

00:03:50   there's like a theme park where people [TS]

00:03:52   go and for a lot of money you get to [TS]

00:03:54   pretend to live in the Old West for a [TS]

00:03:56   couple of days and there's action and [TS]

00:04:00   adventure that you can take part it but [TS]

00:04:03   it's yet nobody mentions that you know [TS]

00:04:05   you gotta go shit in and out [TS]

00:04:07   yeah it's pretty it's a very it's clean [TS]

00:04:09   i mean there's there's a lot of there's [TS]

00:04:11   some lot of certain bodily fluids mostly [TS]

00:04:13   blood but there's no other kinds of [TS]

00:04:16   bodily fluids [TS]

00:04:17   yeah there's a sense of responsibility [TS]

00:04:18   thing like there's things you can't [TS]

00:04:19   those things you can't do and talk about [TS]

00:04:22   even on HBO [TS]

00:04:23   apparently which is good but yeah it was [TS]

00:04:25   kind of supposed to be a theme park so [TS]

00:04:26   for all we know [TS]

00:04:28   hidden in the bushes were like you know [TS]

00:04:30   little parties that broke the spirit but [TS]

00:04:32   I i think yeah I think that's the thing [TS]

00:04:36   that people don't get people who can't [TS]

00:04:38   know about this of course because they [TS]

00:04:39   deal with that you go in the woods your [TS]

00:04:40   hunter you like to go to camp and you're [TS]

00:04:42   in areas that have no facilities at all [TS]

00:04:44   you know but most of us do not have to [TS]

00:04:47   deal with the basic human reality is [TS]

00:04:49   that people did for billions of years or [TS]

00:04:51   hundreds of millions of years from say [TS]

00:04:52   alright and IA it's it's getting cold in [TS]

00:04:56   Philadelphia it's it's very cold today I [TS]

00:04:59   mean I'm not quite sure how cold but it [TS]

00:05:01   certainly felt cold when i was outside [TS]

00:05:03   and it's like a match but i had to go [TS]

00:05:05   outside every time to take a leak man we [TS]

00:05:08   had a introduce snow in seattle which is [TS]

00:05:10   just no cops no apocalypse for us so we [TS]

00:05:13   strapped down not getting in that mostly [TS]

00:05:15   melted but they start the school's two [TS]

00:05:16   hours late because the bus routes be [TS]

00:05:18   very steep hills so whenever it snows [TS]

00:05:21   they don't can't really send the buses [TS]

00:05:23   up there on snow routes and it's sort of [TS]

00:05:25   a safety for that rather than like we're [TS]

00:05:28   on the streets are impassable so they [TS]

00:05:29   don't want to have having bus plunges [TS]

00:05:31   not a headline you want to see bad did [TS]

00:05:37   you ever watch deadwood I didn't I heard [TS]

00:05:40   it was fantastic i think it came out [TS]

00:05:41   when i had small children so I never [TS]

00:05:43   really got when you have to have that [TS]

00:05:45   was on HBO wasn't that was on HBO [TS]

00:05:47   thousand 4 2016 mr. i bought HBO now i'm [TS]

00:05:50   subscribing specifically to watch [TS]

00:05:52   westworld so in those days I would have [TS]

00:05:55   to pay the cable thing you can probably [TS]

00:05:56   get did would then right i think that [TS]

00:05:59   the helio has keeps most of the road [TS]

00:06:01   shows in there [TS]

00:06:02   yeah it I this it's you have to know [TS]

00:06:04   this going idea i thought was a [TS]

00:06:06   marvelous show i really loved it i was a [TS]

00:06:09   big fan was created by a guy named david [TS]

00:06:11   milch who was i guessed it was like [TS]

00:06:15   before people called showrunner show her [TS]

00:06:16   but he was the guy behind NYPD Blue [TS]

00:06:19   which was back in the nineties probably [TS]

00:06:22   the first serious TV show that I ever [TS]

00:06:24   really fell in love with and it was [TS]

00:06:27   weird because it was a network show and [TS]

00:06:29   I guess it was fairly cheap to produce [TS]

00:06:31   and it went on forever and ever [TS]

00:06:33   long past when it was and I kept [TS]

00:06:35   watching because i liked it enough but [TS]

00:06:36   it's sort of my pd blue sort of ended [TS]

00:06:39   with a whisper because it just told ya [TS]

00:06:42   that was the worst thing resist having [TS]

00:06:45   it was on for like 10 years or something [TS]

00:06:46   like that but but it was a great show [TS]

00:06:49   and still had you know there was enough [TS]

00:06:50   good in of characters to you know make [TS]

00:06:54   the direct couple of episodes of season [TS]

00:06:56   that were always good but it was it was [TS]

00:06:58   kind of our end it on that was on ABC [TS]

00:07:01   and those ABC shows had to do like 22 [TS]

00:07:03   shows a year which is too much like part [TS]

00:07:05   of the secret of the modern resident RR [TS]

00:07:08   renaissance in like movie quality TV [TS]

00:07:11   shows is that they only do like 10 [TS]

00:07:14   episodes at a time and sometimes not [TS]

00:07:16   even once a year might take 18 months to [TS]

00:07:18   get the next ten episodes out [TS]

00:07:20   mm there's a sort of quality instead of [TS]

00:07:22   quantity aspect to these HBO's and that [TS]

00:07:26   only works season 2 of Westworld is [TS]

00:07:28   coming out in 2018 right but although i [TS]

00:07:31   think is there a little sequential thing [TS]

00:07:32   like they sort of they played a little [TS]

00:07:34   by ear i don't know when they got the [TS]

00:07:35   renewal request but I'm ready westworld [TS]

00:07:37   has been i think one of the most popular [TS]

00:07:39   shows i'm sure games the throne swamp [TS]

00:07:42   set but they I think they are okay at [TS]

00:07:44   HBO they're very good about funding [TS]

00:07:47   things with no strings attached to her [TS]

00:07:49   and I keep reading about other such a [TS]

00:07:50   they're amazing organization by just [TS]

00:07:53   saying they don't throw money at [TS]

00:07:54   something but they trust around they [TS]

00:07:57   trust people right and but they don't [TS]

00:07:59   think they gave them the dollars for [TS]

00:08:01   season two are really fully committed [TS]

00:08:02   until is underway in the showrunners [TS]

00:08:04   with Nolan enjoy your saying we need [TS]

00:08:07   time to do this right there to stop [TS]

00:08:08   production twice to do some will be [TS]

00:08:10   truly I think once was kind of tool up [TS]

00:08:13   in the other was to sort of rejigger [TS]

00:08:14   because they realized it'd gotten some [TS]

00:08:15   mechanics wrong and they want to fix [TS]

00:08:17   those which is admirable and they had [TS]

00:08:19   the freedom to do that which is [TS]

00:08:21   incredible in areas on the narrative [TS]

00:08:22   mechanics [TS]

00:08:23   that's right what do you want some [TS]

00:08:25   mechanics oh well I think world [TS]

00:08:27   mechanics apparently they built ugly [TS]

00:08:29   built the world we need it's really [TS]

00:08:30   clear watching the whole season [TS]

00:08:32   that they really understood what it was [TS]

00:08:35   about they had an argument a circle they [TS]

00:08:37   had there are time bombs in episode one [TS]

00:08:39   that pay off in 10 and remember to the [TS]

00:08:42   interim so I trust them having watched [TS]

00:08:44   it but i think they had the freedom to [TS]

00:08:46   go back and say you know we thought the [TS]

00:08:48   world was going to work i mean this is [TS]

00:08:49   what they said something along the lines [TS]

00:08:50   we thought this is how the world worked [TS]

00:08:52   and then we realized that changed by [TS]

00:08:55   episodes and he was 13 when he was [TS]

00:08:58   really more they had elements that were [TS]

00:09:00   now wrong inside their ecosystem so they [TS]

00:09:03   reshot and fix them so they're [TS]

00:09:04   consistent and I'm thinking how [TS]

00:09:06   wonderful they did that had the time to [TS]

00:09:09   do it that's the conscientious they had [TS]

00:09:11   an incredible thing and I'm sure the [TS]

00:09:12   show benefited from xsellize especially [TS]

00:09:15   with the level of attention i can you [TS]

00:09:16   imagine episode 5 years like not well [TS]

00:09:18   excuse me episode 3 they bled from the [TS]

00:09:21   left turn around we know that's not true [TS]

00:09:23   in West world [TS]

00:09:24   yeah i'm actually anyway [TS]

00:09:27   west of the thing about Deadwood to go [TS]

00:09:30   back one digression was that Deadwood [TS]

00:09:33   roundup getting cancelled before and [TS]

00:09:36   they didn't even have time to give it a [TS]

00:09:38   proper like finals know so it's just [TS]

00:09:41   sort of ends so it's I want to warn [TS]

00:09:44   anybody before they get into it that [TS]

00:09:46   it's a very dissatisfying ending [TS]

00:09:50   it's like you don't don't go into it [TS]

00:09:52   looking for any kind of complete loop on [TS]

00:09:54   any other characters or anything you [TS]

00:09:55   just kind of have to take it for what it [TS]

00:09:57   is but anyway [TS]

00:09:58   deadwood was a Western took place in [TS]

00:09:59   based on real real people actually in [TS]

00:10:03   Deadwood South Dakota and it was a bit [TS]

00:10:07   was probably with the grittiest Western [TS]

00:10:08   I've ever seen where there was some shit [TS]

00:10:11   on that streets you know and and they [TS]

00:10:14   showed people you know urinating out in [TS]

00:10:17   the middle of the street and stuff like [TS]

00:10:18   that and a baroque swearing I heard her [TS]

00:10:21   just all this incredible eloquent yeah [TS]

00:10:24   yeah it's that it's probably the [TS]

00:10:26   greatest the Al Swearengen is based on a [TS]

00:10:31   real character like a real person but it [TS]

00:10:34   was it's gross the filter its map I've [TS]

00:10:37   ever heard his poetry man [TS]

00:10:41   uh so i guess i don't spoil westward you [TS]

00:10:48   can't can't really talk details about [TS]

00:10:50   anything but i generally I think I [TS]

00:10:53   thought it was aight i really enjoyed it [TS]

00:10:55   a lot and i'm actually up to episode [TS]

00:10:57   there's 10 episodes in the season i'm [TS]

00:10:59   actually up to episode 3 rewatching it [TS]

00:11:03   oh that's good i haven't gone back and [TS]

00:11:04   watched some episodes twice when they [TS]

00:11:06   came out and I haven't really watched [TS]

00:11:08   the whole thing [TS]

00:11:10   Kelly came on to enter and up Don [TS]

00:11:12   melitón have a podcast actually called [TS]

00:11:15   was a hello from the uncanny valley it's [TS]

00:11:18   now in the comfortable network but [TS]

00:11:19   they've done they did episodes they [TS]

00:11:21   started a little late [TS]

00:11:23   they did a bunch of episodes about the [TS]

00:11:24   show and now the way to rewatch and do [TS]

00:11:26   more episodes about it because we got a [TS]

00:11:28   whole year to kill so they'll be doing [TS]

00:11:30   more but it's it's one of those things [TS]

00:11:31   like the usual suspects where when you [TS]

00:11:34   re watch it and you know future plot [TS]

00:11:37   twists and then you watch and you're [TS]

00:11:39   like oh I totally set that up it's there [TS]

00:11:42   so many like moments like that in the [TS]

00:11:43   first few episodes that play completely [TS]

00:11:46   differently just throwaway lines and [TS]

00:11:48   it's it's all of a sudden it I first [TS]

00:11:51   time watching it you didn't even notice [TS]

00:11:52   the line of dialogue but then the second [TS]

00:11:54   time it gives you chills [TS]

00:11:56   it's like whoa that's creepy because you [TS]

00:11:58   know they have that you didn't know them [TS]

00:12:00   it's that layering it's like I think you [TS]

00:12:02   can tell when something this is always [TS]

00:12:04   my thing I actually feel this way about [TS]

00:12:06   software to as you can tell with stuff [TS]

00:12:08   is rich and deep when people go back and [TS]

00:12:10   it works it works in literature it works [TS]

00:12:12   in filmed entertainment it works in [TS]

00:12:15   software there's the discovery and [TS]

00:12:17   there's the richness so you go and you [TS]

00:12:19   look at something and you find out that [TS]

00:12:20   what you thought was a certain depth is [TS]

00:12:22   deeper and deeper because they went they [TS]

00:12:23   later they were back around around [TS]

00:12:25   around and you know you can overworked [TS]

00:12:27   staff to like a bad cooking a bad done [TS]

00:12:29   when you're baking but if it's done [TS]

00:12:32   right the richness kind of like comes up [TS]

00:12:35   from the bottom and the more you pay [TS]

00:12:36   attention the Richer it becomes and what [TS]

00:12:39   do you think you would like to like if [TS]

00:12:41   you were in that future would you like [TS]

00:12:42   to go on vacation to westworld it's a [TS]

00:12:45   great question because right this is the [TS]

00:12:47   you know are you William or are you [TS]

00:12:49   I don't give any spoilers away are you [TS]

00:12:51   another character in the show other [TS]

00:12:53   makers like I don't know that I would [TS]

00:12:55   because I think this is the i think [TS]

00:12:57   people have different amounts of [TS]

00:12:58   dopamine in the brain right there are [TS]

00:13:00   different ways of expressing to [TS]

00:13:01   information and and other chemicals that [TS]

00:13:03   give us happiness and there's people who [TS]

00:13:06   get great joy in their life out of like [TS]

00:13:09   doing ice cliff climbing right and I [TS]

00:13:11   don't need that I had this kind of [TS]

00:13:13   natural brain chemistry and Barry [TS]

00:13:15   fortunate i'm where i think i am not far [TS]

00:13:17   off the night when I have a success in [TS]

00:13:19   my life I'm doing something that I [TS]

00:13:21   really enjoy doing and feeling very good [TS]

00:13:23   about my performance doing it I think I [TS]

00:13:25   achieve maybe ninety percent of ice [TS]

00:13:27   cliff climbing I don't really need that [TS]

00:13:29   extra ten percent if you need some [TS]

00:13:31   people it's not even thrill-seekers it's [TS]

00:13:33   more like a way to achieve a certain [TS]

00:13:35   state of like advanced happiness [TS]

00:13:37   requires doing something extreme and I [TS]

00:13:39   think West world is that it's a great [TS]

00:13:42   representation of that because you know [TS]

00:13:44   right now that used to be something like [TS]

00:13:46   you know just to say that he will go to [TS]

00:13:47   Thailand or they go to other places [TS]

00:13:49   where there was a you know demi-monde or [TS]

00:13:52   really off-the-grid kind of quality and [TS]

00:13:53   they can pay for anything they want they [TS]

00:13:55   can do things they might be able to harm [TS]

00:13:57   other people that go to bare-knuckle [TS]

00:13:59   fighting and not worse [TS]

00:14:01   westworld is kind of encapsulation is [TS]

00:14:04   like a cleaned-up version of it where [TS]

00:14:06   you know it's not giving anything away [TS]

00:14:07   to say that there are robots called [TS]

00:14:09   hosts you look very very human or [TS]

00:14:11   Android they're indistinguishable [TS]

00:14:12   essentially and you can do stuff to [TS]

00:14:14   android doesn't count right here in this [TS]

00:14:16   other place it's you know what happens [TS]

00:14:18   when schools stays in West world and i [TS]

00:14:20   don't think i have that desire to i like [TS]

00:14:22   the idea of being able to step outside [TS]

00:14:23   myself into a different time if i was [TS]

00:14:25   going to explore like something like [TS]

00:14:27   Colonial Williamsburg that was westworld [TS]

00:14:30   quality and are part of the story that [TS]

00:14:32   sounds interesting but i don't really [TS]

00:14:34   have the desire to leap into a less [TS]

00:14:37   controlled environment there's actually [TS]

00:14:39   a series of books called starts with the [TS]

00:14:41   many-colored land by Mary are seven and [TS]

00:14:46   lemay I'm blanking on the name [TS]

00:14:47   outstanding Pia I it's a future where [TS]

00:14:51   again this isn't a spoiler could this [TS]

00:14:52   explain the first few pages the it's a [TS]

00:14:56   future beyond ours which things are much [TS]

00:14:58   more advanced and totally civilized and [TS]

00:15:00   a small collective community of [TS]

00:15:01   different species that interact very [TS]

00:15:04   well and it's very boring and there's no [TS]

00:15:06   risk and people are definitely boring [TS]

00:15:09   and someone discovers a tiny portal to [TS]

00:15:11   the past it's a one-way portal takes you [TS]

00:15:13   six million years into the police teen I [TS]

00:15:15   think and the idea is that when you walk [TS]

00:15:17   through it you'll never come back [TS]

00:15:18   there's no way to return and so a lot of [TS]

00:15:20   people they actually government tries to [TS]

00:15:22   repress it then they set it up is kind [TS]

00:15:23   of an exile thing people who really want [TS]

00:15:25   a totally uncontrolled experience [TS]

00:15:27   they're not allowed to take the [TS]

00:15:28   technology back just their own knowledge [TS]

00:15:30   and they go there and it was it's [TS]

00:15:32   actually a really beautiful exploration [TS]

00:15:33   that same kind of thing like West world [TS]

00:15:34   is that like all right I want to go [TS]

00:15:36   someplace where the normal rules don't [TS]

00:15:38   apply but there are no consequences so [TS]

00:15:41   Julian me I'm sorry surname I would just [TS]

00:15:46   go to West world has my question do you [TS]

00:15:48   want the west-world experience I it's a [TS]

00:15:51   very close call for me I i would note no [TS]

00:15:56   joking i have no desire to have a sexual [TS]

00:16:03   intercourse with an android no matter [TS]

00:16:05   how realistic for the same reason that [TS]

00:16:10   because it if if they're not super [TS]

00:16:12   realistic it's gross and if they're [TS]

00:16:14   indistinguishable from humans it's [TS]

00:16:16   indistinguishable from cheating on your [TS]

00:16:17   wife [TS]

00:16:18   exactly i don't agree I I know I so [TS]

00:16:21   they're going back to have sex with a [TS]

00:16:23   robot Booker's now I probably look for [TS]

00:16:27   coming through right but but they're [TS]

00:16:29   very nice so I might I might chat them [TS]

00:16:30   up at the bar because they're very [TS]

00:16:32   they're all very good talkers and i [TS]

00:16:34   would i would enjoy having a drink with [TS]

00:16:35   Maeve but that part now I you know [TS]

00:16:40   here's a secret i've read vibrating [TS]

00:16:41   accounts of sex workers sex workers say [TS]

00:16:44   they spend a lot of time talking to [TS]

00:16:45   their clients there there are some sex [TS]

00:16:47   work sex work to say most of the [TS]

00:16:49   regulars they don't actually have any [TS]

00:16:51   form of sexual contact with them they [TS]

00:16:53   just need somebody they can pay to talk [TS]

00:16:54   to and they want to go to a therapist [TS]

00:16:56   and I have a long-term relationship with [TS]

00:16:57   that's that's the case so that would be [TS]

00:17:00   totally within the scope I think of the [TS]

00:17:02   wonderful design [TS]

00:17:02   yeah let go and talk to an intelligent [TS]

00:17:04   robot about whatever with the whole [TS]

00:17:06   spark right and i would I like to go [TS]

00:17:10   back and have like an adventure where I [TS]

00:17:12   to go out with the crew and and try to [TS]

00:17:15   catch a bandit and you know shoot him [TS]

00:17:17   dead [TS]

00:17:18   knowing that you know that if i get shot [TS]

00:17:20   it's more like getting hit by a [TS]

00:17:21   paintball type thing I maybe I think [TS]

00:17:26   when I was younger definitely because I [TS]

00:17:27   used to you know I was never serious [TS]

00:17:29   about it but I've played paintball a [TS]

00:17:31   couple of times and had fun doing it and [TS]

00:17:35   I don't know that I at age 43 I don't [TS]

00:17:37   know my butt my my time for stuff like [TS]

00:17:41   that is the slave / skydiving but it [TS]

00:17:44   also seems like there's other people [TS]

00:17:45   there who are just sort of exploring [TS]

00:17:49   right remember the family that that [TS]

00:17:50   there was a black family with that small [TS]

00:17:53   child who met Dolores down by the river [TS]

00:17:57   one yeah yeah so it seems like there are [TS]

00:17:59   people who go there not to do for any [TS]

00:18:01   kind of debauchery but just you know [TS]

00:18:03   like a family vacation like let's go [TS]

00:18:05   right i do think i think that it's a [TS]

00:18:08   very thoughtful show I there were I I I [TS]

00:18:14   regretted it to some degree where I [TS]

00:18:15   started reading the whole thing the [TS]

00:18:18   wrap-up shows that go into detail and [TS]

00:18:20   people taking screen captures there was [TS]

00:18:23   one point where they have these ipad [TS]

00:18:25   like devices which I think we're pretty [TS]

00:18:27   well done there [TS]

00:18:28   they're very thin but not quite see [TS]

00:18:30   through but they also are like try [TS]

00:18:32   faults like a trifold wallet so they [TS]

00:18:35   kind of fold oh yeah they fold up to be [TS]

00:18:38   like a maybe like a like an iphone plus [TS]

00:18:41   type thing and then you can unfold it [TS]

00:18:43   twice and get more of an ipad style [TS]

00:18:46   thing and somebody took a screen capture [TS]

00:18:48   at one point of one of them in it that [TS]

00:18:50   that seem to say that the show takes [TS]

00:18:53   place in 21 the 21 fifties or 2500 or [TS]

00:18:58   something attention that testing for [TS]

00:19:00   2050 20 sounds more reasonable because [TS]

00:19:04   well I don't even oh that's great 50 [TS]

00:19:07   because you're looking at what the [TS]

00:19:08   culture is of the employees the players [TS]

00:19:11   are really sequestered at the park they [TS]

00:19:13   seem that we all live there that's where [TS]

00:19:15   they do you know they don't seem to go [TS]

00:19:16   anywhere [TS]

00:19:16   alright I think that I don't know the [TS]

00:19:18   screenshot really indicates I don't know [TS]

00:19:20   you know I think they do pay attention [TS]

00:19:22   to details who knows if that's right but [TS]

00:19:23   I think gut feeling is that when the [TS]

00:19:25   show it it clear [TS]

00:19:26   isn't like super far in the future but [TS]

00:19:29   it's clearly significantly beyond where [TS]

00:19:32   we are [TS]

00:19:33   yeah i like the computers I like the [TS]

00:19:35   presentation of technology in it and oh [TS]

00:19:38   you know the thing that I think is the [TS]

00:19:39   best telling detail they got right is [TS]

00:19:42   the way Anthony Hopkins controls [TS]

00:19:45   androids that you love that it's all [TS]

00:19:49   yeah he does one finger when he just [TS]

00:19:51   says that's enough now Andy to say the [TS]

00:19:53   normal tone of voice is like a serious [TS]

00:19:54   thing he doesn't have to say android 75 [TS]

00:19:58   halls action and proceeded to program 5b [TS]

00:20:00   which is what I feel like everything in [TS]

00:20:01   the nineteen seventies would have been I [TS]

00:20:03   saw a funny cartoon on Twitter the other [TS]

00:20:05   day where somebody is just somebody was [TS]

00:20:08   talking to somebody else and they didn't [TS]

00:20:10   like where the person was going and they [TS]

00:20:11   just said analysis shannon woodward who [TS]

00:20:17   is one of the cast members the show I [TS]

00:20:19   follow on twitter and I'd without giving [TS]

00:20:21   any spoilers the one of the interesting [TS]

00:20:24   things in the show is you get to the end [TS]

00:20:26   of season one you're like whatever [TS]

00:20:27   happened to like did they really so [TS]

00:20:30   there's people we don't know who has [TS]

00:20:31   contracts for season 2 it there are [TS]

00:20:33   clearly things planted that make it [TS]

00:20:35   clear and if you go there's a westworld [TS]

00:20:36   a site for de los the parent company of [TS]

00:20:39   his last world and there's details being [TS]

00:20:41   revealed like they must have a one-year [TS]

00:20:43   plus social media like marketing plan [TS]

00:20:47   because they are already like leaking [TS]

00:20:48   stop and you have to go through it's [TS]

00:20:50   like a little online adventure stuff and [TS]

00:20:52   down so Shannon Woodward posted this [TS]

00:20:54   very funny thing she plays the LC in the [TS]

00:20:56   shows what the behavioral technicians [TS]

00:20:58   works directly for one of my favorite [TS]

00:21:00   caring person [TS]

00:21:00   yeah she's great she's great and I you [TS]

00:21:03   know I get no spoilers I loved her early [TS]

00:21:05   in the season and she's also very [TS]

00:21:07   righteous person on Twitter so great to [TS]

00:21:08   follow because she's very an active in [TS]

00:21:10   promoting firm you know things like [TS]

00:21:12   justice equality but she treated [TS]

00:21:14   something last night she said my dad who [TS]

00:21:16   was real programmer was excited to see [TS]

00:21:18   how Siri had been updated [TS]

00:21:20   he said to Siri analysis and Cirie [TS]

00:21:23   dumped out a bunch of hacks and her [TS]

00:21:26   father I think her father recognized it [TS]

00:21:28   for what you see what to read it it's um [TS]

00:21:30   único text and if you look it up it's a [TS]

00:21:32   bunch of emoji that relate to the show [TS]

00:21:35   really yeah if you if you say to siri if [TS]

00:21:38   you say [TS]

00:21:39   you can ask your questions that are sort [TS]

00:21:41   of Westworld is related and she will [TS]

00:21:43   respond and say things like that doesn't [TS]

00:21:45   look like anything to me huh [TS]

00:21:47   so they updated it right away I think I [TS]

00:21:49   don't know what happened earlier with [TS]

00:21:50   people reporting on an app to the finale [TS]

00:21:52   the Don mountain was saying probably [TS]

00:21:55   westworld fan the super-pan sort of [TS]

00:21:58   somewhere in this area team adding more [TS]

00:21:59   responses but the the heck the [TS]

00:22:01   hexadecimal emoji code was pretty good i [TS]

00:22:04   looked at one of the monastery who said [TS]

00:22:06   series and getting back [TS]

00:22:08   it's great one of them was just like a [TS]

00:22:09   cactus I didn't look up all them when i [TS]

00:22:11   looked up one let me take a break and [TS]

00:22:16   thank our first sponsor it is our good [TS]

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00:22:42   messaging they have done this is like a [TS]

00:22:44   huge thing like it's the mailchimp has [TS]

00:22:46   grown so far beyond just like email [TS]

00:22:48   newsletters the store stuff is amazing I [TS]

00:22:51   can't get into the details in the [TS]

00:22:52   sponsor right here but it's so much [TS]

00:22:54   stuff and they really hook up to a lot [TS]

00:22:56   of the main ecommerce platforms that are [TS]

00:22:59   out there so if you do have some kind of [TS]

00:23:01   store what they can do is help you for [TS]

00:23:03   people who opt in to like a an email [TS]

00:23:07   thing from you is based on what the [TS]

00:23:09   people have bought and opted into not [TS]

00:23:11   like a creepy type thing but send them [TS]

00:23:13   emails that they might actually want to [TS]

00:23:15   get with stuff they might actually want [TS]

00:23:17   to buy it is super like there's like a [TS]

00:23:21   renaissance in email newsletters because [TS]

00:23:24   i think you know it back in the day [TS]

00:23:27   people signed up for everything was [TS]

00:23:29   going through email because it was like [TS]

00:23:30   the first way people got on the internet [TS]

00:23:31   and then all of a sudden everybody [TS]

00:23:33   realized i'm getting way too many emails [TS]

00:23:34   for stuff that I don't want and it kind [TS]

00:23:36   of got a bad rap but then it's like [TS]

00:23:38   water seeks its own level and I I feel [TS]

00:23:41   like there is a right amount and there [TS]

00:23:43   are a lot of newsletters fair amount [TS]

00:23:44   that i sign up for that I love and I'm [TS]

00:23:46   happy every time I see him in my inbox I [TS]

00:23:48   mailchimp is a way that you can create [TS]

00:23:51   your own so [TS]

00:23:53   the store stuff that's great if you have [TS]

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00:23:59   that integrates with wordpress you can [TS]

00:24:01   integrate with facebook Shopify there's [TS]

00:24:04   one that's integrates with the online [TS]

00:24:06   store all sorts of ways that you can [TS]

00:24:09   hook mailchimp up to whatever platforms [TS]

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00:24:23   free plan though a few features are only [TS]

00:24:26   available to paying users so you can [TS]

00:24:28   send an awful lot of email to a lot of [TS]

00:24:29   people for free with mailchimp as a [TS]

00:24:34   paying customer you can send more the [TS]

00:24:36   more than 12,000 emails a month that you [TS]

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00:24:48   code no no / or anything like that just [TS]

00:24:51   go to mailchimp calm and you can get [TS]

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00:24:56   that we sponsor that the bar at the live [TS]

00:25:00   talk show so my thanks to mailchimp for [TS]

00:25:02   once again sponsoring the show other [TS]

00:25:04   they're brave that's very briefly to do [TS]

00:25:06   sponsoring the bar for the first time [TS]

00:25:10   i've often said this when i do the [TS]

00:25:12   hidden to intro at the show that i have [TS]

00:25:14   such very nice the daring fireball [TS]

00:25:17   audience is is very good people and the [TS]

00:25:20   first time I did the live talk show [TS]

00:25:23   ah what is the second time i guess [TS]

00:25:28   because it was the first time at the the [TS]

00:25:31   place where we always have it now in San [TS]

00:25:33   Francisco place called mezzanine [TS]

00:25:36   oh yeah and we had a minimum and it [TS]

00:25:39   seemed to easily hit the first year we [TS]

00:25:42   did that we didn't hit the minimum for [TS]

00:25:44   the bar because people i think and i [TS]

00:25:46   think what happened was that I said that [TS]

00:25:49   it's an open barn in and it's you know [TS]

00:25:51   free but I didn't emphasize enough that [TS]

00:25:53   seriously drink as much as you while I [TS]

00:25:55   go have a second or third hole [TS]

00:25:57   I think that's sweet i think the reserve [TS]

00:26:00   right people were like well have one but [TS]

00:26:01   I don't want to I don't want to stick [TS]

00:26:03   group with a big tab but it was [TS]

00:26:05   we actually didn't reach the middle so [TS]

00:26:07   ever since I always tell that story I've [TS]

00:26:08   been to the audience you know dead like [TS]

00:26:10   seriously drinking and we've we've never [TS]

00:26:12   had problems hitting the minimum that's [TS]

00:26:13   that's pretty that's the door that is a [TS]

00:26:16   very lovely audience when you have to [TS]

00:26:17   encourage them to spend right you have [TS]

00:26:19   to use the money that sponsors and they [TS]

00:26:21   have different tiers of booze like you [TS]

00:26:24   could just do beer beer and wine you can [TS]

00:26:26   you know it you know you could do it but [TS]

00:26:30   I get the top-shelf booze you know like [TS]

00:26:32   the name brand you know vodka and stuff [TS]

00:26:34   like that like instead of you know Uncle [TS]

00:26:36   Joe's you know Uncle Joe's russian [TS]

00:26:39   special get up i got ad say you know but [TS]

00:26:42   everyone if it's back there [TS]

00:26:43   it's supposed to be there as much of it [TS]

00:26:45   as you want and MailChimp will just pick [TS]

00:26:47   it up [TS]

00:26:48   it's very easy for me to be generous to [TS]

00:26:50   uncle drew the look at the fires bathtub [TS]

00:26:54   gin money will buy well it's funny [TS]

00:26:59   though it's gotten the other way around [TS]

00:27:00   now like there's it's like I think when [TS]

00:27:03   we were kids like like if the gym was [TS]

00:27:05   made locally it's like watch out you [TS]

00:27:08   know it's like a better schedule a trip [TS]

00:27:10   to the eye doctor because you may go [TS]

00:27:12   blind [TS]

00:27:13   whereas now there are so many craft [TS]

00:27:15   distilleries and I can't even tell you i [TS]

00:27:17   was just looking the other day there's a [TS]

00:27:19   section in the liquor store here where [TS]

00:27:21   it's like made in Pennsylvania and [TS]

00:27:22   there's so many so many genes being made [TS]

00:27:25   in Pennsylvania and they all have like [TS]

00:27:27   these amazingly exquisite design labels [TS]

00:27:31   you know they all look excellent it's [TS]

00:27:33   not you know like the local stuff is [TS]

00:27:34   expensive now it's not it's not me i had [TS]

00:27:37   a friend who wanted to start years ago [TS]

00:27:39   like it was it almost 20 years ago he [TS]

00:27:42   wanted to start a local craft distillery [TS]

00:27:44   as a distill pub no such thing existed [TS]

00:27:46   in washington state had been a brewer [TS]

00:27:48   had run you know brewpubs and worked in [TS]

00:27:50   in bruges had been outdone the craft [TS]

00:27:52   thing he was totally capable of in the [TS]

00:27:54   state to notify sick that he was trying [TS]

00:27:56   to buy this bar in the georgetown area [TS]

00:27:59   in seattle which is this little weird [TS]

00:28:01   spot that bars operated during [TS]

00:28:04   Prohibition that was very weird [TS]

00:28:05   exception or exclusion or scam or [TS]

00:28:07   something so it's like the longest [TS]

00:28:09   operating bar in North continuously [TS]

00:28:11   operating bar in north america he was [TS]

00:28:13   almost it was going to try to buy it [TS]

00:28:15   with investors [TS]

00:28:17   turn it to the state's first still [TS]

00:28:18   probably one of the first ones in the [TS]

00:28:20   country i think maybe at the time and [TS]

00:28:22   they couldn't pull it off because no one [TS]

00:28:23   had a license it but now it's like I [TS]

00:28:25   don't know if you had another are still [TS]

00:28:26   parts I've seen places I don't they they [TS]

00:28:28   call it so you still plan to stop the [TS]

00:28:30   right word but I know you mean place the [TS]

00:28:31   unix command still pub but you have any [TS]

00:28:35   place that are doing like certain kinds [TS]

00:28:37   of liquor on site which is which is [TS]

00:28:39   going it's really cool it's like you [TS]

00:28:41   know this is we're trying we we sort of [TS]

00:28:43   Westworld is indicative this right there [TS]

00:28:45   are things about the 19th century that [TS]

00:28:47   we idealize and we'd like the neat clean [TS]

00:28:49   cool component of it because it seems [TS]

00:28:52   more real to us [TS]

00:28:53   yeah it's just another one of those [TS]

00:28:57   little things that makes me feel like I [TS]

00:28:59   was born at the right time I i have off [TS]

00:29:02   i don't know i may be at its maybe it's [TS]

00:29:05   my personality where if whenever I had [TS]

00:29:07   been born whether it was the future or [TS]

00:29:09   further in the pass side it just I would [TS]

00:29:11   have I have a personality type or i [TS]

00:29:13   would think i was born at the right time [TS]

00:29:14   but just little things like the fact [TS]

00:29:17   that guy was around as a kid when [TS]

00:29:18   computers were super simple and you can [TS]

00:29:21   totally understand in the entirety of [TS]

00:29:23   how the computer worked as i get a [TS]

00:29:25   twelve-year-old i love that like there's [TS]

00:29:29   a part of me that is a little jealous [TS]

00:29:30   that like my son is you know growing up [TS]

00:29:32   in a world where you know at the age of [TS]

00:29:34   twelve he's got a macbook pro I mean [TS]

00:29:36   what would have been very impressive to [TS]

00:29:38   12 year old John Gruber but I feel like [TS]

00:29:41   it was right for me that it was you know [TS]

00:29:43   that I was clacking away on an apple 2e [TS]

00:29:45   at school you know that my [TS]

00:29:48   twelve-year-old is like programming in [TS]

00:29:49   JavaScript and and other stuff and I'm [TS]

00:29:51   like you know it well I was like [TS]

00:29:52   soldering rs-232c ports on my no 8k [TS]

00:29:56   computer so i feel bad i mean i'll open [TS]

00:29:58   up a computer to change something out [TS]

00:29:59   the kids freak out slightly can you [TS]

00:30:01   really do that i'm not like it's illegal [TS]

00:30:02   but more like like what that breaking [TS]

00:30:05   I'm like no no you can actually fix [TS]

00:30:07   things you could sort of but is it in [TS]

00:30:10   terms of consumable beverages [TS]

00:30:12   I I like to drink coffee but I like [TS]

00:30:14   really really really good coffee and a [TS]

00:30:17   generation ago that there was no sense [TS]

00:30:19   they I mean out and realized there were [TS]

00:30:21   some people who kept the art of it alive [TS]

00:30:24   but as a mass-market product you know [TS]

00:30:26   like [TS]

00:30:27   people went into the supermarket and [TS]

00:30:29   bought a canon Maxwell that I think is [TS]

00:30:33   the best time in history alive for [TS]

00:30:35   coffee because for most of copies [TS]

00:30:36   history it was not made well except in [TS]

00:30:39   limited places if you get the beans and [TS]

00:30:42   it's all there you go being right just [TS]

00:30:43   the right spot at the right time but [TS]

00:30:45   when we were kids the coffee that are [TS]

00:30:47   their strengths wasn't even made out of [TS]

00:30:48   our average a radical beans it was all [TS]

00:30:50   good it's made out of steel doesn't even [TS]

00:30:53   really coffee it was made out of some [TS]

00:30:54   other like weird cheeping it with a [TS]

00:30:58   chicory basis of some tylenol there's [TS]

00:31:01   some difference [TS]

00:31:01   yeah I could ask Marco I'm sure use a [TS]

00:31:03   brown crud melted brown crayons and [TS]

00:31:06   water there's this flavor of the basic [TS]

00:31:09   story is that good coffee from a radical [TS]

00:31:11   beans needs a certain kind of climate [TS]

00:31:13   and a certain type of atmosphere and [TS]

00:31:15   that's why tends to grow at the top of [TS]

00:31:17   mountains and in certain you know [TS]

00:31:20   regions of the world where the [TS]

00:31:22   temperatures right here it is very [TS]

00:31:24   particular about where it will go well [TS]

00:31:25   and then there's another type of coffee [TS]

00:31:27   bean that will grow and anywhere and [TS]

00:31:30   that's like what the copy of like the [TS]

00:31:33   late twentieth you know this post world [TS]

00:31:35   war two 20th century America was was [TS]

00:31:38   made out of because it was super cheap [TS]

00:31:41   the copy cycle so funny to is our mutual [TS]

00:31:44   friend talks this Tony connects the he i [TS]

00:31:46   met him first thing we talked about this [TS]

00:31:48   and for some episode before but I'm yes [TS]

00:31:50   I think that isn't or I met him when he [TS]

00:31:52   was the head Brewster at a local coffee [TS]

00:31:55   shop that started up that was trying to [TS]

00:31:57   be more of a community coffee shop again [TS]

00:31:58   they're trying to reclaim from Wi-Fi [TS]

00:32:00   already and I want my first copying in [TS]

00:32:02   the back of that store was reporting the [TS]

00:32:04   story and then Tony left and you know [TS]

00:32:06   kind of traveled a bunch they started [TS]

00:32:07   his own brand that gets old to blue [TS]

00:32:09   bottle yeah and then you know and he [TS]

00:32:12   sees candies kicking around doing stuff [TS]

00:32:14   but I'm like now cupping is like such a [TS]

00:32:17   standard thing like its a thing people [TS]

00:32:19   expect like that the sophistication even [TS]

00:32:22   of 2004 now seems almost queen and when [TS]

00:32:25   howard schultz just announced that he [TS]

00:32:27   was stepping down to see you at [TS]

00:32:28   starbucks he did it at the 15 avenue [TS]

00:32:30   between avenue roasting place which is [TS]

00:32:33   starbucks new model for a place that is [TS]

00:32:35   like a roasting center with couplings [TS]

00:32:37   and [TS]

00:32:38   I high-end copies and the whole bit like [TS]

00:32:39   it's now a thing they're commercializing [TS]

00:32:42   pushing out as a no high-end experience [TS]

00:32:44   as a no repeatable deal and that's you [TS]

00:32:48   know that's already we're at so what's [TS]

00:32:49   the next refined like there's got to be [TS]

00:32:50   like 10 years from now we're looking at [TS]

00:32:52   that is known as course in quicktime [TS]

00:32:54   sure and you know and then in the [TS]

00:32:56   evening hours I i enjoy the occasional [TS]

00:32:58   adult beverage and it's theirs and never [TS]

00:33:01   been a better time I mean and it's if [TS]

00:33:04   you like beer like like when my dad was [TS]

00:33:06   my age they don't have the only beer [TS]

00:33:08   that there was the mass-market pilsners [TS]

00:33:11   you know that's the way all tasted the [TS]

00:33:14   same ya left in a small town someplace [TS]

00:33:16   for people did you know the home brewing [TS]

00:33:18   thing was was starting up but those were [TS]

00:33:20   usually there you know the quirky know [TS]

00:33:23   what this is there's never been there's [TS]

00:33:25   never been a better time to have a [TS]

00:33:26   sophisticated palate probably in the [TS]

00:33:28   history of the world in terms of this [TS]

00:33:31   ties into technology so you know how [TS]

00:33:32   Marc Andreessen other people have pushed [TS]

00:33:34   these charts that shows how everyone has [TS]

00:33:36   the kind of stuff that previous [TS]

00:33:38   generations would have dreamed of [TS]

00:33:39   everyone has a TV everyone has a DVD lot [TS]

00:33:41   of people have phones even if they're [TS]

00:33:43   like living below the poverty line they [TS]

00:33:44   have a cell phone on a pay-as-you-go [TS]

00:33:46   plan like all of these certain signs of [TS]

00:33:48   material success but this is the point [TS]

00:33:51   that people made about the Apple phone [TS]

00:33:52   you have made this point here / over [TS]

00:33:54   again is the iphone is the same price no [TS]

00:33:56   matter how rich or poor you are and I [TS]

00:33:59   think the beverage think also the same [TS]

00:34:01   thing you can get I mean obviously you [TS]

00:34:03   can spend a lot of money and beverages [TS]

00:34:04   but you can spend a few dollars for a [TS]

00:34:07   drink let's say five ten dollars for a [TS]

00:34:08   drink and get one of the finest drinks [TS]

00:34:11   ever made in human history [TS]

00:34:13   now you can go up from there you can [TS]

00:34:14   spend $15 for civet poop coffee or [TS]

00:34:17   whatever for a couple of in and million [TS]

00:34:20   dollars for champagne but this lower [TS]

00:34:22   tier generally accessible even if it's a [TS]

00:34:25   special occasion price is achievable by [TS]

00:34:27   like most of humanity in the developed [TS]

00:34:29   world yeah it's amazing and you know i [TS]

00:34:32   think that there was [TS]

00:34:34   up i I don't know you know I think there [TS]

00:34:38   was sort of a pride in post-world War to [TS]

00:34:42   America at the sort of homogenate shin [TS]

00:34:44   of Colton and it seemed right like when [TS]

00:34:47   my grandfather was a young man all the [TS]

00:34:49   beer came from local breweries you know [TS]

00:34:51   every town of a certain you know every [TS]

00:34:53   time with 10 to 15,000 people had a [TS]

00:34:55   brewery that made the beer for the town [TS]

00:34:57   and then in my dad's generation it you [TS]

00:35:01   know the the analyzer bushes and the [TS]

00:35:03   cores it became such a thing and and you [TS]

00:35:07   know TV rammed this home that a no you [TS]

00:35:11   didn't drink like you know Philadelphia [TS]

00:35:13   beer you drank you know the same [TS]

00:35:15   Budweiser that everybody drank during [TS]

00:35:16   American beer you know but it was off [TS]

00:35:18   all bland all watered down for they that [TS]

00:35:23   taste right italic metallic taste in it [TS]

00:35:26   you know and and the the craft brewing [TS]

00:35:29   revolution certainly started you know I [TS]

00:35:31   was in college in the late nineties it [TS]

00:35:33   had already started but it was still [TS]

00:35:35   obscure and so like when you go to [TS]

00:35:37   parties if they had beer it was just you [TS]

00:35:39   know that just cheap plan stuff so I [TS]

00:35:41   just thought I well I don't like beer [TS]

00:35:43   like crazy hits which is crazy in [TS]

00:35:46   hindsight because I love beer but I love [TS]

00:35:48   very particular kind of beer and and i [TS]

00:35:51   just also think that it's such a a [TS]

00:35:53   wonderful world right now for somebody [TS]

00:35:56   who truly is obsessive about something [TS]

00:35:58   like that like tonks and that he can [TS]

00:36:00   just go and start his own coffee company [TS]

00:36:02   like we're like in the 1960s that that's [TS]

00:36:05   not how are infeasible to be like [TS]

00:36:07   Procter & Gamble you know you need it [TS]

00:36:09   was like a billion-dollar thing you know [TS]

00:36:11   you did he couldn't there was no way for [TS]

00:36:13   somebody you know like two people you [TS]

00:36:15   know to start a business where we're [TS]

00:36:17   going to meet you know sent coffee [TS]

00:36:18   around the the world by mail order [TS]

00:36:20   there's a great book by editor at work [TS]

00:36:22   with four years at the economist is now [TS]

00:36:24   the deputy deputy editor at Tom Standage [TS]

00:36:26   called history of the world in six [TS]

00:36:28   classes it's um maybe like a decade old [TS]

00:36:30   now and he looks at it's a beer spirits [TS]

00:36:34   coffee tier-1 there's like sacramental [TS]

00:36:41   60 of t its team coffee beer and spirits [TS]

00:36:43   and printed to but it's it's basically a [TS]

00:36:45   history of how civilization advanced the [TS]

00:36:48   rue the perpetuation of certain kinds of [TS]

00:36:51   drinks behind a mask but a history of [TS]

00:36:54   the world in six classes at six [TS]

00:36:56   different things but like tea is an [TS]

00:37:00   amazing thing because its antibacterial [TS]

00:37:01   properties and it's you boil the water [TS]

00:37:04   to drink it it replaced the small beer [TS]

00:37:06   which is like a very low alcohol beer [TS]

00:37:08   that was drunk that is given out to pack [TS]

00:37:09   your workers in England and other places [TS]

00:37:11   they were given a certain quantity of [TS]

00:37:13   beer to drink every day was very low [TS]

00:37:14   alcohol but they were always mildly you [TS]

00:37:16   know inebriated me it was a healthful [TS]

00:37:19   beverage right and it's revolutionized [TS]

00:37:21   factories because people over focuses [TS]

00:37:23   the mind is obviously but people are [TS]

00:37:25   living in places with the add water [TS]

00:37:26   supplies you know whatever sort of [TS]

00:37:28   improved health it was healthy was any [TS]

00:37:30   bacterial and it didn't get you drunk [TS]

00:37:32   and so became the beverage of temperance [TS]

00:37:34   and so forth and anyway just it's a [TS]

00:37:35   lovely book because he argues and very [TS]

00:37:38   persuasively that certain like the [TS]

00:37:41   advancement of society isn't it's not [TS]

00:37:43   that we got T because we are certain [TS]

00:37:46   point in civilization was possible to [TS]

00:37:47   have like a global supply chain [TS]

00:37:49   it's more like tea actually influence [TS]

00:37:51   the industrial revolutions significantly [TS]

00:37:53   which is cool person I i have long I I [TS]

00:38:01   it's one of those things where I've [TS]

00:38:02   never really done the deep dive but I i [TS]

00:38:04   will at some point and get a couple of [TS]

00:38:07   find a couple of good books on it and [TS]

00:38:08   and and really go deep on it but I you [TS]

00:38:13   know I have a fascination with the [TS]

00:38:17   prohibition in the United States [TS]

00:38:19   oh yeah because it's it's another one of [TS]

00:38:22   those things where it happened it [TS]

00:38:24   seeming and I knew that basic years of [TS]

00:38:26   when it happened you know around [TS]

00:38:27   nineteen twenty or so and it only lasted [TS]

00:38:29   about 12 years and you know led to the [TS]

00:38:34   rise of you know gangsters who run booze [TS]

00:38:36   into the cities and Al Capone mob but [TS]

00:38:39   it's as a kid it just seemed like well [TS]

00:38:40   that was a long time ago and it's over [TS]

00:38:43   but then a when you become an adult and [TS]

00:38:47   you realize just how did you know that [TS]

00:38:50   then a hundred years ago really isn't [TS]

00:38:53   that long right in some ways [TS]

00:38:55   and you it just fascinates me like how [TS]

00:38:59   in the world did making alcohol illegal [TS]

00:39:02   ever gain popular support that it would [TS]

00:39:04   that they pass a constitutional [TS]

00:39:05   amendment like to pass a constitutional [TS]

00:39:08   amendment something has to be [TS]

00:39:09   overwhelmingly popular like you know [TS]

00:39:11   what it was it was making this chocolate [TS]

00:39:13   not fucking speak news [TS]

00:39:15   well he's but it mother think mother's [TS]

00:39:17   bread these you know the lies about [TS]

00:39:19   drinking or spread and believed in light [TS]

00:39:22   of our recent election here in the [TS]

00:39:24   United States and how the fuck did this [TS]

00:39:26   happen [TS]

00:39:27   it-it-it its soothing to me mentally to [TS]

00:39:31   think back to other times where you know [TS]

00:39:34   there were what the fuck really thinking [TS]

00:39:37   moments in u.s. politics and we have [TS]

00:39:39   cycles a work we're about to have our [TS]

00:39:41   first teetotaling president and I don't [TS]

00:39:43   know how long that's interesting thought [TS]

00:39:45   I that that's he doesn't drink in right [TS]

00:39:48   you know I reflects like the Trump has [TS]

00:39:50   no vices except lying he's lying about [TS]

00:39:52   that right but he he he said he didn't [TS]

00:39:55   drink so I assumed it was a lie [TS]

00:39:57   it turns out he's absolutely sincere [TS]

00:39:59   people said they'd seen him drink in the [TS]

00:40:00   past but it may have been decades ago [TS]

00:40:02   and have been confirmation people been [TS]

00:40:04   with him [TS]

00:40:05   no enemies and friends and people were [TS]

00:40:06   former friends like he doesn't drink [TS]

00:40:09   alcohol [TS]

00:40:09   it doesn't seem to have any alcohol and [TS]

00:40:11   witches and it's not it doesn't seem to [TS]

00:40:12   be more realistic than his brother I [TS]

00:40:14   mean yeah and other family history had [TS]

00:40:15   an older brother who you know literally [TS]

00:40:19   a long time ago I guess it's a drunk in [TS]

00:40:22   early songs he died yeah you know [TS]

00:40:24   present yourself to the cafeteria and [TS]

00:40:26   I'm sorry you know you can see that like [TS]

00:40:28   that there are signs of Trump like [TS]

00:40:29   things like that but I think maybe the [TS]

00:40:31   man has some empathy compassion or at [TS]

00:40:33   least insight current self correcting [TS]

00:40:36   capability but it is fasting is fasting [TS]

00:40:39   to have a president who I don't know how [TS]

00:40:41   much Obama drunk I think he liked the [TS]

00:40:43   beverage you know he indulged in some [TS]

00:40:44   cigarettes before he was elected and now [TS]

00:40:46   he's smoking a decent he did until after [TS]

00:40:48   he was like oh that's wanted and then [TS]

00:40:50   occasionally there's report maybe he [TS]

00:40:52   sneaked to figure out here and there [TS]

00:40:53   right site but he's mostly bread [TS]

00:40:56   stuffing but some trumping a teetotal I [TS]

00:41:00   don't think I have any impact I don't [TS]

00:41:01   think he's going to go out he does not [TS]

00:41:02   have never been a temperance advocate [TS]

00:41:04   but I think he went I've read things [TS]

00:41:06   here's the weird thing about that risk [TS]

00:41:08   right there are times that everything he [TS]

00:41:10   says and I go but this is very [TS]

00:41:12   reasonable and I've read things he said [TS]

00:41:14   in somewhat middle of long interviews [TS]

00:41:15   about his brother and sometimes the [TS]

00:41:18   harsh about it but often he is very [TS]

00:41:20   sympathetic to what the brother went [TS]

00:41:21   through in a very sympathetic to what is [TS]

00:41:23   the effect that had on the whole family [TS]

00:41:24   and and how sad it was he died young and [TS]

00:41:26   I'm like all right well you know I like [TS]

00:41:28   to know there is a human being under [TS]

00:41:30   there he is a bit of a science art it is [TS]

00:41:31   one of the weird and I mean whether you [TS]

00:41:33   you know again whether you like him [TS]

00:41:35   don't like him or somehow are [TS]

00:41:39   indifferent they're very small [TS]

00:41:42   percentage of Trump voters are actually [TS]

00:41:43   celebrating from what i can tell they're [TS]

00:41:45   all concerned what's coming next one of [TS]

00:41:47   them because they don't know if he's [TS]

00:41:48   gonna do what they promised him either [TS]

00:41:49   one of the art well he's not [TS]

00:41:51   yeah quick hey one of the odd things [TS]

00:41:54   about him though is that he does he does [TS]

00:41:56   his personality seems to be a bit of a [TS]

00:41:59   cipher you know where is Obama i think [TS]

00:42:03   where's his personality on his [TS]

00:42:04   shirtsleeve much like bill clinton and I [TS]

00:42:07   i think to george w bush [TS]

00:42:10   I think else oh yeah that's right you [TS]

00:42:12   know I think Hillary is guarded famously [TS]

00:42:15   but there are widespread reports though [TS]

00:42:17   from her clothes the people who are [TS]

00:42:19   close to her that in person she's very [TS]

00:42:21   warm funny and and empathetic but on the [TS]

00:42:25   campaign trail for what you know reasons [TS]

00:42:28   that we won't get into because it's you [TS]

00:42:30   know but there she knows she publicly [TS]

00:42:32   put up sort of a a more serious guarded [TS]

00:42:40   personality but wonder if we'll see [TS]

00:42:43   we'll probably see that the Hillary in [TS]

00:42:45   the woods photos give me life because [TS]

00:42:47   she looks like a great weight around for [TS]

00:42:50   despite what's coming you never hear to [TS]

00:42:52   never hear stories about like the real [TS]

00:42:54   Trump from the people close to him like [TS]

00:42:56   there doesn't seem to be one is the [TS]

00:42:57   others know there's no real trucker [TS]

00:42:59   talking about his older brother really [TS]

00:43:00   does it i do believe i'm going to work [TS]

00:43:03   99 percent of the stuff out of his mouth [TS]

00:43:05   I don't believe but when he talks about [TS]

00:43:07   his brother it seems sincere that he you [TS]

00:43:09   know and that it really did you know he [TS]

00:43:11   saw what happened anything he decided [TS]

00:43:12   I'm not gonna drink any other thing [TS]

00:43:14   that's very self-aware about it that I [TS]

00:43:16   saw the New York Times had a good story [TS]

00:43:17   about this earlier way earlier in the [TS]

00:43:19   camp [TS]

00:43:19   Jane was the other thing that he said [TS]

00:43:21   about it was it wasn't just well I saw [TS]

00:43:24   what happened to my brother and decided [TS]

00:43:26   not to drink he also very self-aware [TS]

00:43:28   said I also know that I'm not much for [TS]

00:43:31   moderation personally but you know if [TS]

00:43:34   this amazing from him wow I you know and [TS]

00:43:37   looking like look at the way he [TS]

00:43:39   decorated its home [TS]

00:43:40   yeah well they also occasionally like [TS]

00:43:42   the unguarded Trump is fascinating [TS]

00:43:44   because he is a bully and a fascist in [TS]

00:43:46   certain ways and then he says things [TS]

00:43:48   like when it came up about transgender [TS]

00:43:51   bathroom bills like North Carolina and [TS]

00:43:53   elsewhere his first reaction someone [TS]

00:43:55   asked about he said people should go to [TS]

00:43:57   whatever bathroom they're comfortable [TS]

00:43:58   with what I was like well that's cool [TS]

00:43:59   like I'm good with that his campaign [TS]

00:44:01   walked back and wrap it and put it into [TS]

00:44:03   Republican phraseology and you know [TS]

00:44:05   whatever but his first reaction you know [TS]

00:44:08   is people should make whatever choice [TS]

00:44:10   they want for themselves just really [TS]

00:44:11   affect other people which you could [TS]

00:44:12   argue as a little bit of a narcissist [TS]

00:44:13   rice too but it was more that was honest [TS]

00:44:16   reaction like I'm curious how much of [TS]

00:44:18   that kind of blunt honesty we're going [TS]

00:44:21   to see versus the the you know the [TS]

00:44:23   tendencies towards much worse behavior [TS]

00:44:25   I'm not optimistic per se but i'm i'm [TS]

00:44:27   trying to be curious because we will see [TS]

00:44:30   things that are gonna be totally [TS]

00:44:31   unexpected from a Republican elected [TS]

00:44:34   president [TS]

00:44:34   they're going to not conform with anyone [TS]

00:44:36   but my wife says she said this number of [TS]

00:44:38   times the reason that we're feeling [TS]

00:44:40   anxiety and I think this goes for Trump [TS]

00:44:42   voters as well I think there are a [TS]

00:44:43   number of Trump voters feel exactly the [TS]

00:44:44   same way and some related but I think [TS]

00:44:46   that's a small percentage compared to [TS]

00:44:48   the largest number of people voted form [TS]

00:44:51   is she said he defeats our ability to [TS]

00:44:53   predict the future we all have a little [TS]

00:44:55   internal production capability and he [TS]

00:44:57   breaks that and you feel anxious and [TS]

00:44:59   that's also what people talk about with [TS]

00:45:00   fascism not not necessarily directly for [TS]

00:45:03   him is that fascists and abusive [TS]

00:45:05   domestic partners and people in those [TS]

00:45:07   categories they try to unsettle you so [TS]

00:45:09   you never know what's coming next you [TS]

00:45:10   live in a constant state anxiety I don't [TS]

00:45:12   think that's his plan that I think [TS]

00:45:14   that's how we thought I feel inside my [TS]

00:45:16   wife feels [TS]

00:45:20   how about that technology how about that [TS]

00:45:25   the power charger [TS]

00:45:28   let's talk about something that we know [TS]

00:45:30   works who says who says i'm not good at [TS]

00:45:32   segways that's great so you had a story [TS]

00:45:35   at Mac and I think it just came out [TS]

00:45:36   yesterday when I want to interrupt you [TS]

00:45:38   all right [TS]

00:45:39   Segway Magic Loop did you see about the [TS]

00:45:41   ostensibly fake magic magic leap [TS]

00:45:44   demonstration now tell me what you may [TS]

00:45:47   want to talk about a few I you know all [TS]

00:45:48   the details but you know it's a it's one [TS]

00:45:50   of these new ivr things and Kevin Kelly [TS]

00:45:52   wrote a really breathless piece earlier [TS]

00:45:54   this year for Wired he got a demo he got [TS]

00:45:56   to see it and it's a bunch of super [TS]

00:45:58   intelligent people involved in it [TS]

00:45:59   they're running the lab in Florida away [TS]

00:46:01   from Silicon Valley oh yeah yeah like [TS]

00:46:03   next-level like whatever everyone's [TS]

00:46:05   working on now this being released in [TS]

00:46:07   demo this is the thing beyond it is how [TS]

00:46:09   it's being hyped well they put a [TS]

00:46:10   demonstration video and then it came out [TS]

00:46:12   that was actually like a Hollywood [TS]

00:46:14   produced a hollywood-style produced [TS]

00:46:15   video that is not actually reflect any [TS]

00:46:17   hardware they have already so I was just [TS]

00:46:20   thinking this way you said segue was [TS]

00:46:22   thinking like yes remember how the [TS]

00:46:23   segway change the world magically is [TS]

00:46:25   right up there with sorry that's my [TS]

00:46:26   segue they there's a some sort of tour [TS]

00:46:30   here in Philadelphia where you can I [TS]

00:46:33   don't know if it I guess its history [TS]

00:46:35   historic sites but the OA historic sites [TS]

00:46:37   are all very close to each other frankly [TS]

00:46:40   but I see them occasionally where [TS]

00:46:42   there's obvious tourists with helmets on [TS]

00:46:44   on segways on a tour you know but [TS]

00:46:47   usually somewhere around eight to 10 of [TS]

00:46:49   them there's somebody in the front is [TS]

00:46:52   clearly the tour leader and and there it [TS]

00:46:55   just seems like the dumbest way to get [TS]

00:46:57   around like I do [TS]

00:47:00   I'm i love the idea the fast i'm [TS]

00:47:02   fascinated by the idea that that the [TS]

00:47:05   things self balances on two wheels but [TS]

00:47:08   that segues themselves are so stupid [TS]

00:47:11   oh yeah I mean it's just I just over the [TS]

00:47:12   whole the breathless it's going to [TS]

00:47:14   change the world the patent filings are [TS]

00:47:16   amazing they think the people investing [TS]

00:47:18   like Jesus think this will be changed [TS]

00:47:20   the way cities are built right everybody [TS]

00:47:23   Steve Jobs trashed ok I'm not spread [TS]

00:47:26   it's like and it's a really cool scooter [TS]

00:47:28   that has certain applications entry well [TS]

00:47:30   anyway I'm sorry shorter up but [TS]

00:47:32   magically just got me with [TS]

00:47:34   that you know like they thought no one [TS]

00:47:36   was gonna figure out it was a fake you [TS]

00:47:38   know are produced demonstration you know [TS]

00:47:41   what I got I I i have the google pixel [TS]

00:47:45   yeah yeah yeah and I got the VR headset [TS]

00:47:51   i forget what the i can't remember what [TS]

00:47:53   the name of David daydream i haven't [TS]

00:47:57   used a lot yet but it's it's pretty neat [TS]

00:48:00   I mean for African how much I paid for [TS]

00:48:02   the headset but it wasn't too much I [TS]

00:48:04   mean once you've bought the phone for [TS]

00:48:05   eight hundred dollars or whatever it [TS]

00:48:07   costs the $75 headset is a neat add-on [TS]

00:48:10   it's it's really pretty good although it [TS]

00:48:14   does it does the jonas was really into [TS]

00:48:17   it but it it doesn't get hot it [TS]

00:48:19   eventually shock huh [TS]

00:48:21   it eventually tells you that it it [TS]

00:48:23   couches it's sort of like remember when [TS]

00:48:26   do we would tell you to take a break the [TS]

00:48:28   the end oh yeah that the it told Jonas [TS]

00:48:32   to take a break but it wasn't really for [TS]

00:48:34   his well-being [TS]

00:48:35   it was because because the phone had [TS]

00:48:37   overheated and needed to to cool down [TS]

00:48:40   but it's actually pretty good the [TS]

00:48:41   latency is really really good like I was [TS]

00:48:43   what i thought was wondering if it would [TS]

00:48:45   pick up but i can also completely see [TS]

00:48:48   why Apple hasn't built such a thing [TS]

00:48:51   it's not not ready yet they want the [TS]

00:48:53   thing they want the thing whatever [TS]

00:48:54   magically intends to make which they may [TS]

00:48:57   not be able to achieve that's what Apple [TS]

00:48:59   would prefer right I I don't say it [TS]

00:49:03   it baffles me that people don't see this [TS]

00:49:05   in apple so I I one of the things when [TS]

00:49:07   people complain about the new macbook [TS]

00:49:09   pros that they're not pro enough you [TS]

00:49:12   know that the they're not performing 10 [TS]

00:49:14   have enough like there are other [TS]

00:49:15   companies are making laptops that you [TS]

00:49:17   can drive you know high-end vr helmets [TS]

00:49:21   from mom and it's like wow that's that's [TS]

00:49:25   of course they are because that's what [TS]

00:49:27   you know the pc industry always does is [TS]

00:49:30   build you know whatever you know you [TS]

00:49:33   know that's why gaming pcs exist you [TS]

00:49:35   know that the pc is for some people it's [TS]

00:49:37   just a generic box that you can use it [TS]

00:49:39   to drive any computing tasks you want [TS]

00:49:41   like that's that is not what Apple does [TS]

00:49:44   apple doesn't make generic boxes that [TS]

00:49:46   you can make other things from there [TS]

00:49:47   a-levels if I was going to make a VR [TS]

00:49:49   helmet that the VR helmet itself will be [TS]

00:49:51   the computer and it will have the [TS]

00:49:53   graphics in screen that it needs to be [TS]

00:49:56   oh yes thanks a lot of sense right [TS]

00:49:58   they're not gonna make they're not going [TS]

00:50:00   to work on making the phone into a [TS]

00:50:03   jerry-rigged vr screen even though it's [TS]

00:50:06   possible and the pixel thing is good [TS]

00:50:08   enough that it's you know it's it's neat [TS]

00:50:10   but it's you know you can also it's also [TS]

00:50:13   it's not retin-a resolution i mean you [TS]

00:50:14   can totally see the pixels of the things [TS]

00:50:17   that you're that you're saying and it's [TS]

00:50:20   you know it's just clunky to stick your [TS]

00:50:22   phone into a helmet and same way that [TS]

00:50:25   it's clunky to have a helmet that's [TS]

00:50:26   literally tethered to a laptop computer [TS]

00:50:29   like that if you hold your watch up [TS]

00:50:31   really close to your face it all figured [TS]

00:50:33   out but no i think you're right i think [TS]

00:50:36   it's unlikely Apple Apple makes an [TS]

00:50:41   operating system that is capable of [TS]

00:50:43   being adapted to a lot of different [TS]

00:50:45   circumstances but they don't make [TS]

00:50:46   hardware that's as general purpose i [TS]

00:50:48   mean i think that's the macbook pro is [TS]

00:50:50   really more of an inch computer now it [TS]

00:50:52   doesn't have the same general appeal i [TS]

00:50:55   thought that i would say that about the [TS]

00:50:56   12 inch macbooks is released its not a [TS]

00:50:58   lot it's not a like the macbook air [TS]

00:51:00   which was for a lot of people the [TS]

00:51:01   12-inch MacBook is more particular [TS]

00:51:03   because it makes you make choices and if [TS]

00:51:05   it doesn't fit your needs and it's not [TS]

00:51:06   the laptop for you and the macbook pro [TS]

00:51:08   is much more restrained restricted than [TS]

00:51:11   the previous models and that pro but [TS]

00:51:16   speaking of those ok so you wrote a [TS]

00:51:19   review this week of this newer tech new [TS]

00:51:22   power and you p 0 wer I've already got a [TS]

00:51:24   link in the show notes new power it's a [TS]

00:51:26   60 watt power adapter that has two [TS]

00:51:30   outputs one of them is a USB a the [TS]

00:51:33   old-school USB and any other ones us bc [TS]

00:51:35   and you can use them at the same time so [TS]

00:51:38   you can plug this into the wall and then [TS]

00:51:41   take a your existing like that the cable [TS]

00:51:45   you charge your phone with did with the [TS]

00:51:46   US the rectangular USB a plug that and [TS]

00:51:49   plug your phone in and then with like a [TS]

00:51:51   new 13-inch macbook pro or the just [TS]

00:51:55   plain macbook you could charge that from [TS]

00:51:57   the USBC at the same time [TS]

00:51:59   yeah it's pretty slick [TS]

00:52:01   it comes with a 6-foot AC cable so [TS]

00:52:03   you're using your 6-foot USBC charging [TS]

00:52:06   cable that came with the macbook or [TS]

00:52:08   macbook pro you have been at 12 feet [TS]

00:52:10   suddenly if you want that from Apple you [TS]

00:52:12   have to pay a the adapter is I think [TS]

00:52:14   Warren gamely be have to pay if you [TS]

00:52:16   don't have one around you pay its twenty [TS]

00:52:18   dollars or ninety dollars to get the 6 [TS]

00:52:21   foot extension for the power adapter [TS]

00:52:23   that comes with your latina apple laptop [TS]

00:52:26   so i like that i mean so right so it [TS]

00:52:27   it's like a cable it's kinda like an [TS]

00:52:29   offset so if you've got a 12-inch [TS]

00:52:31   MacBook sort of ideal because you plug [TS]

00:52:33   this in to one port and you plug in your [TS]

00:52:35   you know ipad or iphone to charge via [TS]

00:52:38   the new power thing and you also six [TS]

00:52:40   foot of cable beyond that so you can [TS]

00:52:42   have your cable you know your type a2 [TS]

00:52:45   whatever cable and your laptop cable and [TS]

00:52:48   along AC cable and it's 50 box for the [TS]

00:52:51   whole thing so it's I think it's a great [TS]

00:52:52   replacement or traveling alternative [TS]

00:52:56   because it seems that all these bases [TS]

00:52:57   and in 60 watts is an interesting number [TS]

00:52:59   because I it's clearly designed it more [TS]

00:53:01   around there like 45 watt pcs that this [TS]

00:53:06   also works with works with anything with [TS]

00:53:07   us bc charging power power delivery 2.0 [TS]

00:53:11   is the spec which is a lot of devices so [TS]

00:53:13   that you know the macbook 12-inch [TS]

00:53:15   MacBook is 29 wats there's some 45 watt [TS]

00:53:17   laptops and so forth the macbook pro 13 [TS]

00:53:21   inch models are 61 want yet which is [TS]

00:53:24   crazy right where I don't understand [TS]

00:53:26   that it was very specific about how they [TS]

00:53:29   like to nap batteries to charging and [TS]

00:53:31   they just do exactly what they want it's [TS]

00:53:32   weird [TS]

00:53:33   well it's the first one I can think of [TS]

00:53:34   that such an odd number like it well [TS]

00:53:36   though the the macbook is a 29 watch I [TS]

00:53:38   guess you're right and and the macbook [TS]

00:53:40   pros 87 wats and somebody told me I [TS]

00:53:42   didn't look this up that the previous [TS]

00:53:43   macbook pro 15-inch 1 i'm sorry was also [TS]

00:53:46   87 lot so they have been very specific [TS]

00:53:49   profile they don't like to make a [TS]

00:53:51   generic charging thing so this is the [TS]

00:53:55   new power is probably not appropriate [TS]

00:53:56   for a 15-inch macbook pro because it [TS]

00:53:58   will it's very hard for to keep up if [TS]

00:54:00   you're doing anything that's pulling [TS]

00:54:01   power down for the 13-inch it'll keep up [TS]

00:54:03   almost as quickly i mean so you know [TS]

00:54:05   three percent off so we'll charge while [TS]

00:54:08   you're using it and might charge tiny [TS]

00:54:10   bit slower if you plug in USB type a [TS]

00:54:13   device to [TS]

00:54:14   large it will take away from the [TS]

00:54:16   charging going to the USBC port I'm so [TS]

00:54:19   you're charging ipad at 2.4 amps that's [TS]

00:54:22   12 watts at 5 volts in that so that'll [TS]

00:54:25   be fifteen of 12 watts to be subtracted [TS]

00:54:27   from the 60 if you're doing that anyway [TS]

00:54:29   13-inch macbook i think a lot of cases [TS]

00:54:31   it's a really nice alternative and it's [TS]

00:54:32   got you know it's not a square little [TS]

00:54:35   thing it's a it's like much longer looks [TS]

00:54:37   more like a traditional one that's very [TS]

00:54:38   lightweight it's got rounded edges only [TS]

00:54:40   thing i don't think i don't like about [TS]

00:54:41   it those I don't like that to plug this [TS]

00:54:43   into the wall you have to use a cable it [TS]

00:54:46   has you know it's it recognize it so [TS]

00:54:48   this is the brick but it's it you plug a [TS]

00:54:50   power cable into the back and then it's [TS]

00:54:52   a six foot cable that goes well [TS]

00:54:54   so like there are some cases some [TS]

00:54:56   situations where you do want that but [TS]

00:54:58   there's others like when you're like [TS]

00:54:59   like when I'm going to hotel usually [TS]

00:55:01   most hotels now have like a desk where [TS]

00:55:04   there is like a power on the desk and [TS]

00:55:08   it's not you know like I don't need it [TS]

00:55:09   that six foot cable is just going to be [TS]

00:55:11   in the way there I got kind of it's true [TS]

00:55:12   i wish that i could just plug it plug it [TS]

00:55:14   right in [TS]

00:55:15   you know like it had the prongs on the [TS]

00:55:17   thing or anything else that that's the [TS]

00:55:19   drawback is it that's it if that's what [TS]

00:55:21   you want then you can always carry the [TS]

00:55:22   original one but no I think that is the [TS]

00:55:25   drawback to get extra cable that way [TS]

00:55:27   without an option but I think I I and I [TS]

00:55:30   have that same issue although I'll [TS]

00:55:31   kitchen hotel in that time I got stuck [TS]

00:55:32   plugged in our print work i'm often [TS]

00:55:34   hunting around for desi out of it [TS]

00:55:36   somehow power strips have been some [TS]

00:55:38   newer we're not new hotels but [TS]

00:55:39   retrograde once power strips right or [TS]

00:55:41   maybe it would be nice if it you know [TS]

00:55:43   again this would obviously make it a lot [TS]

00:55:45   physically bigger so maybe maybe I'm not [TS]

00:55:48   thinking it through but it might be nice [TS]

00:55:49   if I had one of those cables that you [TS]

00:55:52   could like it would retract you know [TS]

00:55:54   like the way like most vacuum cleaners [TS]

00:55:55   work now you can retract the cable [TS]

00:55:57   oh yeah we're gonna see a lot more use [TS]

00:55:59   USBC chargers to is having where it's [TS]

00:56:02   taken the power to respect so I actually [TS]

00:56:04   interviewed for an Oracle it's going to [TS]

00:56:05   come out in Fast Company about us bc [TS]

00:56:07   like why it's so hard to figure out what [TS]

00:56:10   cables are good like why isn't there [TS]

00:56:11   some group [TS]

00:56:13   I mean my conclusion spoiler is that the [TS]

00:56:15   death of magazine test labs is basically [TS]

00:56:18   why we're having problems with us bc [TS]

00:56:19   like it's not so I talked to the head of [TS]

00:56:21   the USB implementers for on the USB I F [TS]

00:56:23   and the chief operating officer [TS]

00:56:25   you had a great talk about like where [TS]

00:56:27   does type see fit into the ecosystem [TS]

00:56:28   what are you guys responsible for like [TS]

00:56:30   where does your point and and one of the [TS]

00:56:33   things the president told me is he said [TS]

00:56:35   really frankly this is a said this isn't [TS]

00:56:37   your grandma and grandpas USB to point [TS]

00:56:39   out we said it's much more complicated [TS]

00:56:41   it's much harder to get it right and [TS]

00:56:43   we're seeing more problems because it's [TS]

00:56:45   a much more complicated difficult spec [TS]

00:56:47   it does so much more and so they're not [TS]

00:56:49   surprised but it's what manufacturers [TS]

00:56:51   want it's not like the USB I have [TS]

00:56:53   invented a difficult spec and it's being [TS]

00:56:55   inflicted on customers it's like all of [TS]

00:56:57   you know all the major computer and [TS]

00:56:59   mobile makers are all involved with us [TS]

00:57:01   pif further on the board or they're [TS]

00:57:03   deeply involved in the standard process [TS]

00:57:04   they wanted this to happen ultimately in [TS]

00:57:07   a couple years maybe a year we're all [TS]

00:57:09   going to be delighted that we have maybe [TS]

00:57:11   we still a lightning that seems like [TS]

00:57:12   it's going to happen but we have one [TS]

00:57:14   cable and one thing that works every [TS]

00:57:16   goddamn place and then new displays will [TS]

00:57:19   all have USB support and you knew [TS]

00:57:21   everything will have it and will say why [TS]

00:57:23   do we make such a big deal about this [TS]

00:57:25   because the pain of transition in [TS]

00:57:27   finding the adapters that don't exist [TS]

00:57:28   and legacy support is a pain but I think [TS]

00:57:32   it's really a net positive for it and so [TS]

00:57:35   the power part is particularly difficult [TS]

00:57:36   to something called power delivery to [TS]

00:57:38   point out which is as far as i can tell [TS]

00:57:40   us the first widespread implementation [TS]

00:57:42   and products on a non-proprietary of [TS]

00:57:45   standards-based but you know trade group [TS]

00:57:47   owned but non-proprietary spec for doing [TS]

00:57:49   power that's above like 15 to 30 watts [TS]

00:57:52   and you can go up 200 watts their [TS]

00:57:54   previous USB specs that allow this but [TS]

00:57:56   what I can tell i don't know that many [TS]

00:57:58   devices used them they're very specific [TS]

00:58:00   and you need a specific adapter this is [TS]

00:58:02   the first generic way that's already in [TS]

00:58:04   you know millions or even tens of [TS]

00:58:06   millions of shipping products that [TS]

00:58:07   supports involved no 12 or 15 watts in a [TS]

00:58:10   standard way and interoperable [TS]

00:58:12   interchangeable adapters so the [TS]

00:58:14   ecosystem i think is about to sort of [TS]

00:58:16   like the chipset issue is a big deal [TS]

00:58:18   every John you know this right like [TS]

00:58:21   lightning every lightning Thunderbolt 2 [TS]

00:58:23   cable had a computer in that tip of [TS]

00:58:26   every cable right and the same thing is [TS]

00:58:28   true with us bc and that makes it more [TS]

00:58:30   complicated Saul USBC is like you're [TS]

00:58:32   plugging a computer that looks like a [TS]

00:58:34   cable into your computer's port [TS]

00:58:36   that has a controller and they have to [TS]

00:58:38   talk to each other and so like getting [TS]

00:58:39   that right means the controller chip [TS]

00:58:42   sets and the USBC cable chipsets all [TS]

00:58:45   have to be in this incredibly perfect [TS]

00:58:47   alignment and that is I think what's [TS]

00:58:49   been taking so long and we're starting [TS]

00:58:50   to finally see the benefits that you [TS]

00:58:52   know already like almost two years into [TS]

00:58:54   the rollout and next year will be very [TS]

00:58:56   different [TS]

00:58:57   I think one of the underestimated easily [TS]

00:59:00   overlooked but fascinating to me the [TS]

00:59:03   things that's going on in hardware [TS]

00:59:06   everywhere today if whether you're it in [TS]

00:59:11   the consumer electronics business in the [TS]

00:59:13   car business [TS]

00:59:14   everything is that every individual [TS]

00:59:20   component is slowly but surely turning [TS]

00:59:22   into its own to being a computer know [TS]

00:59:25   right now you're totally right and I [TS]

00:59:27   know Joanna stern and I talked about [TS]

00:59:28   this on about the macbook about the [TS]

00:59:30   touch part but it's fascinating to me if [TS]

00:59:32   ya is like every time I look at this [TS]

00:59:35   review unit and I just think about it [TS]

00:59:37   just pleases me to no end that the touch [TS]

00:59:39   bar is an iOS computer in my mac [TS]

00:59:42   computer like I i find it just makes me [TS]

00:59:46   smile i just it just cracks me up [TS]

00:59:48   because of like what i would just like [TS]

00:59:50   we're talking about half an hour ago [TS]

00:59:51   like when we were kids like a computer [TS]

00:59:53   was super expensive like and at you know [TS]

00:59:57   it you get like 64 kilobyte [TS]

00:59:57   it you get like 64 kilobyte [TS]

01:00:00   of memory and it was enough Mon Cherie [TS]

01:00:03   right and but you know that it was a lot [TS]

01:00:06   of money and you had to be very careful [TS]

01:00:07   and it was quite large and now now [TS]

01:00:10   there's what is there's a much better [TS]

01:00:12   computer than that in the tip of your [TS]

01:00:14   light and get the analog to lightning [TS]

01:00:17   adapter has a GSP in it [TS]

01:00:19   I mean it's a nine dollar cable and that [TS]

01:00:21   computer is probably more powerful than [TS]

01:00:24   my first personal computer maybe even my [TS]

01:00:25   second person I mean it could do is it [TS]

01:00:28   as powerful as commodore 64 maybe not [TS]

01:00:31   i'm not sure but certainly as powerful [TS]

01:00:33   as my first computer in some ways it [TS]

01:00:34   surely is there are certainly some [TS]

01:00:36   aspects of it but surely faster and you [TS]

01:00:39   know that Commodore 64 so crazy like [TS]

01:00:41   stories like how many terabytes of [TS]

01:00:42   storage do you don't personally like 10 [TS]

01:00:44   I don't even know you know i have at [TS]

01:00:46   least I don't get seven or eight lying [TS]

01:00:48   around bmore and probably got two or [TS]

01:00:50   three terabytes in the cloud and we're [TS]

01:00:52   going to laugh at how small it is like [TS]

01:00:54   the way that 50 gigabytes seems in [TS]

01:00:57   ridiculously tiny like I backed up 80 [TS]

01:01:00   gigs I added more i used back plays from [TS]

01:01:03   my desktop machine backup and I'm like [TS]

01:01:05   oh you know I didn't have this part of [TS]

01:01:06   this Drive backed up so i ad it says [TS]

01:01:08   that's 80 gigs I can't get the internet [TS]

01:01:10   it ended in like an hour or something [TS]

01:01:12   and it just seemed so laughably small [TS]

01:01:14   even though it's an enormous and so you [TS]

01:01:17   know in five years we'll have like 50 [TS]

01:01:18   terabytes of storage and we won't be [TS]

01:01:20   thinking about it much either [TS]

01:01:21   that's bigger everything gets bigger [TS]

01:01:24   faster better let me take a break and [TS]

01:01:29   we'll come back to that because one of [TS]

01:01:32   the computers in our computers now are [TS]

01:01:34   the computer that's inside air pods [TS]

01:01:37   which still haven't shipped and I'd like [TS]

01:01:39   to talk about that [TS]

01:01:40   oh yeah I'm gonna take a break here and [TS]

01:01:42   thank our next sponsor and it's our good [TS]

01:01:44   friends at fracture you know fracture [TS]

01:01:47   it's the photo company that you send [TS]

01:01:49   your photos they print your photo [TS]

01:01:50   strictly on class they sponsored to show [TS]

01:01:52   two episodes ago and I told you then I [TS]

01:01:55   told you order now for the holidays [TS]

01:01:58   because they're going to get backed up [TS]

01:02:00   well guess what they're already backed [TS]

01:02:01   up orders placed today our ship after [TS]

01:02:03   Christmas we are recording what you're [TS]

01:02:07   hearing us record on friday December [TS]

01:02:08   ninth [TS]

01:02:09   about the show comes out on Saturday [TS]

01:02:11   December 10 so whatever point you're [TS]

01:02:15   listening to me tell you this if you [TS]

01:02:17   were going to get people fracture gifts [TS]

01:02:19   for Christmas you had a great idea and [TS]

01:02:21   if you didn't order i'm already i'm [TS]

01:02:22   really sorry to tell you that you're too [TS]

01:02:23   late but what you can do what you can do [TS]

01:02:27   is you can order gift cards from [TS]

01:02:31   fracture you can give them you can give [TS]

01:02:34   out a gift card so that people can print [TS]

01:02:35   their own fractures and you could do [TS]

01:02:37   that all the way up to December [TS]

01:02:39   nineteenth and still get christmas [TS]

01:02:41   delivery so you could still do it you're [TS]

01:02:43   not you're not totally shit out of luck [TS]

01:02:46   these are great great products so again [TS]

01:02:49   if you're thinking about it for [TS]

01:02:50   Christmas too late hope you listen to me [TS]

01:02:52   last time some of you probably did but [TS]

01:02:55   it's such a great product holiday Assad [TS]

01:02:57   fracture it's just it's just the best [TS]

01:03:00   way really is i would say this even if [TS]

01:03:03   they weren't at a longtime sponsor of [TS]

01:03:05   the show but if you want to print your [TS]

01:03:07   photos [TS]

01:03:08   it's the best way to do it because it [TS]

01:03:10   you don't there's no fuss and they look [TS]

01:03:12   great it looks better than putting it on [TS]

01:03:15   paper and then putting it into a [TS]

01:03:16   traditional frame it looks better and [TS]

01:03:19   it's easier to deal with because i keep [TS]

01:03:20   you've ever done that thing where you [TS]

01:03:21   like you know go to ikea and get a [TS]

01:03:24   picture frame and then you have a [TS]

01:03:25   picture printed out you put it in and [TS]

01:03:27   then you secure the back and then you [TS]

01:03:28   look at the front and the pictures off [TS]

01:03:30   by like two degrees and you've got to [TS]

01:03:31   undo the whole thing and put it back in [TS]

01:03:33   and it was a pain in the ass fractures [TS]

01:03:36   or just printed right on the glass and [TS]

01:03:37   they ship in this super clever little [TS]

01:03:40   cardboard thing that comes with [TS]

01:03:41   everything you need to hang it on a wall [TS]

01:03:44   or to prop it up on your desk or on a [TS]

01:03:46   mantle or wherever you want to put it [TS]

01:03:47   and it looks so cool because it's just [TS]

01:03:50   this edge to edge design their eat there [TS]

01:03:52   is no frame that's necessary [TS]

01:03:54   it's just a piece of glass with the [TS]

01:03:55   picture edge-to-edge looks so great to [TS]

01:04:00   go check them out [TS]

01:04:01   get your own pictures printed pick up [TS]

01:04:06   some gift cards if you want to for the [TS]

01:04:07   holidays and you haven't ordered already [TS]

01:04:08   and go to fracture me.com / podcast [TS]

01:04:14   that's the name as the URL [TS]

01:04:16   they don't care which podcast it's [TS]

01:04:18   everybody's podcast gets the same URL [TS]

01:04:20   but then when you order [TS]

01:04:22   they asked a one question survey which [TS]

01:04:24   is where did you hear that fracture from [TS]

01:04:25   and you can tell him you heard about it [TS]

01:04:27   right here on the talk show my thanks to [TS]

01:04:29   fraktur told you it's going to be [TS]

01:04:32   they're going to get backed up [TS]

01:04:33   listen to me next time love their stuff [TS]

01:04:36   I didn't order some but I didn't need [TS]

01:04:37   them for presents not gonna I'm gonna [TS]

01:04:38   remember that [TS]

01:04:39   so their blood URL earpods still haven't [TS]

01:04:42   shipped as i said we are recording on [TS]

01:04:44   Friday December night and you know it's [TS]

01:04:47   like HBO and West world they had stopped [TS]

01:04:48   production they had a re-engineered the [TS]

01:04:50   world to apple absolute center getting [TS]

01:04:52   very close to being too missing vials i [TS]

01:04:56   have heard is just in the last 24 hours [TS]

01:04:59   i have heard not from like a very [TS]

01:05:01   well-placed little birdie but from a [TS]

01:05:04   birdie that there's a possibility that [TS]

01:05:07   there are whispers in apple among that [TS]

01:05:09   people who work in apple retail that [TS]

01:05:11   they might actually come in [TS]

01:05:13   quote-unquote the next few days I don't [TS]

01:05:15   like nobody has it but the high ass and [TS]

01:05:17   I was like well is it like a token [TS]

01:05:19   amount like well some of them are coming [TS]

01:05:22   and we're going to sell them to some [TS]

01:05:23   people but you've got no chance of [TS]

01:05:25   actually getting one because they're [TS]

01:05:26   going to be instantly backordered six to [TS]

01:05:28   eight weeks is it that type of shipping [TS]

01:05:31   or is it like you you have a reasonable [TS]

01:05:35   chance of getting them you know walking [TS]

01:05:37   into an apple store and walking out with [TS]

01:05:39   it [TS]

01:05:40   airports and that the answer was no idea [TS]

01:05:44   this is in my opinion the the biggest [TS]

01:05:50   apple screw up in recent memory [TS]

01:05:54   I I got it I got agree because it so let [TS]

01:05:58   me go to the only thing I one cover [TS]

01:06:00   yeah I compared to one other thing and I [TS]

01:06:02   think that this is worse is the the I [TS]

01:06:07   think it was the the white iphone 4 [TS]

01:06:11   oh yeah so when the iphone 4 came out [TS]

01:06:14   yeah that was the one with the glass [TS]

01:06:15   front and man you and [TS]

01:06:18   I think that was the one that didn't [TS]

01:06:21   ship right in and it it kind of got lost [TS]

01:06:24   i think in the shuffle of antennagate [TS]

01:06:27   because that was that's all I had [TS]

01:06:28   antennagate that all right [TS]

01:06:30   it was supposed to wear black ones and [TS]

01:06:32   white ones and the white ones are [TS]

01:06:35   initially you know the black ones came [TS]

01:06:36   out like in June on schedule and then [TS]

01:06:39   Apple said something to the effect of [TS]

01:06:41   having a little problem with the white [TS]

01:06:42   production we expect them in July like [TS]

01:06:45   one month late and July came and went [TS]

01:06:48   and then antennagate hit and everybody [TS]

01:06:50   remember that but the white iphones [TS]

01:06:53   didn't ship until like made the next [TS]

01:06:56   year april are made like almost a full [TS]

01:06:59   year and when I remember it vividly [TS]

01:07:01   because my wife wanted to get the white [TS]

01:07:03   one and she waited and then by the time [TS]

01:07:07   it got to April or May she was like well [TS]

01:07:09   that I'm not you know I'm not stupid I'm [TS]

01:07:11   not gonna buy a new iphone now that new [TS]

01:07:13   ones come out even though the 4s that [TS]

01:07:15   was when I first moved the schedule back [TS]

01:07:17   from june to like September so she ended [TS]

01:07:20   up with her i think she was using her [TS]

01:07:22   3gs or whatever you know two years but i [TS]

01:07:27   would say this is a worse mistake [TS]

01:07:29   because at least with the iphone four if [TS]

01:07:32   you wanted an iphone four you can get it [TS]

01:07:33   you just didn't get it in the color you [TS]

01:07:35   wanted whereas its did if you want their [TS]

01:07:38   pods you can't get up [TS]

01:07:40   yeah this is a I it seems it seems bad [TS]

01:07:45   to introduce something that is a [TS]

01:07:48   fundamental part of a major change [TS]

01:07:49   you're making and then not have the [TS]

01:07:51   engineering and production in place to [TS]

01:07:54   release it seems like a big f up i was [TS]

01:07:57   just gonna bump up one level not just [TS]

01:07:59   avoid the topic but I mean there's [TS]

01:08:01   always this metaphor like you know at [TS]

01:08:03   apple is Hillary Clinton Samsung's Trump [TS]

01:08:06   right this plane without even a [TS]

01:08:08   political discussion is kind of how the [TS]

01:08:09   coverage went and so Apple removes [TS]

01:08:11   headphones and you have think pieces and [TS]

01:08:13   whatever you post something about [TS]

01:08:15   another day [TS]

01:08:15   samsung says we're not going to have [TS]

01:08:17   headphone jack I'm sorry headphone jack [TS]

01:08:19   brother Samson says we're not going to [TS]

01:08:21   headphone jack on xbox at phone [TS]

01:08:22   everyone's like well it's just [TS]

01:08:24   samsung right of course you like but [TS]

01:08:26   wait but you better so angry why were [TS]

01:08:28   you so [TS]

01:08:28   angry like it's a technology company the [TS]

01:08:30   decision there's all these trade up [TS]

01:08:32   why were you so like curious like there [TS]

01:08:34   was white hot puri about it you could [TS]

01:08:36   argue it's because there's more of an [TS]

01:08:37   emotional connection with the iphone and [TS]

01:08:40   there are fewer models and there is not [TS]

01:08:41   an emotional connection with samsung but [TS]

01:08:44   it is sort of hilarious but if you're [TS]

01:08:45   going to take the headphone jack out and [TS]

01:08:47   you're going to deal with the [TS]

01:08:48   repercussions because you know people [TS]

01:08:49   have been keyed up to be angry for weeks [TS]

01:08:52   and months is the rumors are out there [TS]

01:08:53   there's something desperately wrong with [TS]

01:08:55   that something very bad happened to [TS]

01:08:57   reach this point i mean because I [TS]

01:08:59   there's no doubt in my mind I've talked [TS]

01:09:01   to several people I you know I can't say [TS]

01:09:04   with a hundred percent certainty but I'm [TS]

01:09:06   a certain as I could be that there was [TS]

01:09:09   absolutely zero coincidence to the fact [TS]

01:09:11   that the iphone 7 is the first iphone [TS]

01:09:14   without the headphone jack and was [TS]

01:09:17   introduced alongside their pods and [TS]

01:09:19   write w one ship that was completely in [TS]

01:09:22   coordination earpods they wanted to ship [TS]

01:09:24   simultaneously or pods are in [TS]

01:09:25   development for three years I lose lose [TS]

01:09:27   our good engineering and design started [TS]

01:09:30   three years ago and it was a year ago [TS]

01:09:32   when they they felt like they were at [TS]

01:09:34   the point where they can say yes but [TS]

01:09:36   these will be ready in September 2016 [TS]

01:09:39   therefore we can go ahead with this [TS]

01:09:42   design of the iphone that doesn't have [TS]

01:09:44   the headphone jack and you know this [TS]

01:09:47   that the other things are now you know [TS]

01:09:48   we can make the camera bigger and move [TS]

01:09:50   the battery down and this you know all [TS]

01:09:52   the other side effects of being able to [TS]

01:09:54   remove the headphone jack was completely [TS]

01:09:58   in coordination and yes they did not and [TS]

01:10:00   they knew they knew then Apple knew i [TS]

01:10:02   didn't know but you know Apple knew that [TS]

01:10:04   they were relatively expensive and [TS]

01:10:07   therefore we're not going to be included [TS]

01:10:08   in the box [TS]

01:10:09   hmm so even though they're not in the [TS]

01:10:11   box and cost 250 box and therefore it [TS]

01:10:19   you know was a lot to pay for headphones [TS]

01:10:21   you know for by most people's standards [TS]

01:10:22   on and therefore you know they know it's [TS]

01:10:25   not going to be like everybody with an [TS]

01:10:26   iphone 7 is going to spend 250 for [TS]

01:10:29   airports it was absolutely it'll in [TS]

01:10:32   lockstep with each other that they [TS]

01:10:34   weren't going to ship a phone without a [TS]

01:10:36   headphone jack without the new wireless [TS]

01:10:38   air pods and they weren't going to ship [TS]

01:10:41   the air pods [TS]

01:10:42   when the flagship phone it still has the [TS]

01:10:44   headphone jack and so I think if Apple [TS]

01:10:48   new if if the I i really do think so i [TS]

01:10:53   think if they knew that they were going [TS]

01:10:54   to be as late as they are i don't think [TS]

01:10:56   that they would remove the headphone [TS]

01:10:58   jack this year [TS]

01:10:59   well remember i would you look at the [TS]

01:11:00   design of the phone i am I wrong [TS]

01:11:03   my recollection is after the stare downs [TS]

01:11:05   came out that both phones have [TS]

01:11:07   technically have room for headphone jack [TS]

01:11:10   so they must have given themselves and [TS]

01:11:12   there's a space where it could have gone [TS]

01:11:13   so they must have given themselves [TS]

01:11:15   wiggling now I point I thought there was [TS]

01:11:17   room for our i began our space where [TS]

01:11:20   could be one of them wrong [TS]

01:11:22   I was wondering how much wiggle room [TS]

01:11:23   they gave because they have to lock in [TS]

01:11:24   the circuit board design and print [TS]

01:11:26   everything else notes are locked in very [TS]

01:11:28   far in advance like whatever thats [TS]

01:11:29   hanging out with the next year is [TS]

01:11:31   already completely locked in [TS]

01:11:32   I feel terrible for whoever on the team [TS]

01:11:35   whichever people on the team at [TS]

01:11:36   whichever levels from top to bottom [TS]

01:11:39   either made an error in judgment or just [TS]

01:11:44   wear a head of I mean this is the thing [TS]

01:11:46   so this will seem like a sidebar I'll be [TS]

01:11:48   brief with it but you know I brought a [TS]

01:11:49   piece in March I think permit macworld [TS]

01:11:51   about why you should probably not become [TS]

01:11:54   a backer of kickstarter and other [TS]

01:11:56   crowdfunding projects that are involved [TS]

01:11:58   mass manufactured items that aren't [TS]

01:12:00   totally interchangeable and known like a [TS]

01:12:03   book like everyone knows how to print [TS]

01:12:04   book publicly no brick printer could be [TS]

01:12:07   late but they don't suddenly say we [TS]

01:12:09   don't know how to put ink on pages we [TS]

01:12:10   try to put the ink on the pages and the [TS]

01:12:12   ink fell off and we have to work with [TS]

01:12:14   you to develop a new way to put ink on [TS]

01:12:16   paper because the one you propose [TS]

01:12:18   doesn't work so typically doesn't happen [TS]

01:12:21   it happens constantly in that the [TS]

01:12:25   production of you especially electronics [TS]

01:12:27   but a lot of things where you know if [TS]

01:12:29   you follow the folks at studio need to [TS]

01:12:31   have a great podcast that my curly is [TS]

01:12:32   hosting where the two guys Dan Provost [TS]

01:12:35   in my black condition and get a timecard [TS]

01:12:40   the two of them met this wonderful guys [TS]

01:12:42   I met them so many times I've been bear [TS]

01:12:44   speaking rhythms are teasing whether [TS]

01:12:46   lovely people they do really good [TS]

01:12:47   products they're really interesting [TS]

01:12:49   stuff they make and they have a podcast [TS]

01:12:50   about making the latest thing and [TS]

01:12:52   talking about it and its really fasting [TS]

01:12:54   because you get the inside [TS]

01:12:55   two people who do have a you know a [TS]

01:12:57   moderate sized company but not a very [TS]

01:12:59   big one right what the constraints are [TS]

01:13:01   when you're doing all of these [TS]

01:13:03   manufacturing things so uh I just want [TS]

01:13:06   backing out into the like like so i [TS]

01:13:08   understand from talking to people that [TS]

01:13:10   lived and Tom's level and some folks in [TS]

01:13:13   bigger corporations will talk more [TS]

01:13:15   frankly about like just what happens [TS]

01:13:17   when you get from that there's a stage [TS]

01:13:18   between I think you've written about it [TS]

01:13:20   to use been people but when articles [TS]

01:13:22   about the squares between like prototype [TS]

01:13:23   in production this thing where you [TS]

01:13:25   deliver stuff you work to get things [TS]

01:13:27   closer and closer to what's actually on [TS]

01:13:28   the production line then there's a point [TS]

01:13:30   in which you make units on the [TS]

01:13:31   production line and they work and then [TS]

01:13:33   you go into this full-scale thing in [TS]

01:13:34   which is QA and QC for our QC for the [TS]

01:13:38   products coming off the line right and [TS]

01:13:39   it's horrible and the fact that any [TS]

01:13:42   consumer electronics company can produce [TS]

01:13:44   things routinely on any schedule is [TS]

01:13:46   always amazing so apples track record is [TS]

01:13:48   really good so is note 7 excluded but [TS]

01:13:52   sort of part of it so it's samsung so [TS]

01:13:54   are a lot of other companies that just [TS]

01:13:56   produce huge numbers of new models of [TS]

01:13:58   things well even when they're not super [TS]

01:13:59   complicated even with the note 7 the [TS]

01:14:02   problem wasn't with production the [TS]

01:14:04   problem was with the design [TS]

01:14:05   I mean that's right a bad right i mean [TS]

01:14:07   it's theirs i I've read enough articles [TS]

01:14:09   from people who are totally right taken [TS]

01:14:11   it apart like it's everybody's at home [TS]

01:14:13   near unanimous agreement about what's [TS]

01:14:15   wrong they put too big of a battery in [TS]

01:14:17   too small of a space is and therefore [TS]

01:14:19   led to the positive and negative sides [TS]

01:14:22   touching it now you're totally crushed [TS]

01:14:24   under physical strength and they you [TS]

01:14:26   know it the the post-mortem is going to [TS]

01:14:28   be they should have realized this in the [TS]

01:14:29   prototyping stage well in advance going [TS]

01:14:31   to production and done something about [TS]

01:14:32   it but so when I so I you know you know [TS]

01:14:34   those things there's this mystery though [TS]

01:14:36   this is what I think dan and tom get at [TS]

01:14:37   well in the podcast and you can read [TS]

01:14:39   stories about this all over like this [TS]

01:14:41   incredible thing about we know and i [TS]

01:14:43   think it's one thing that Jony Ive's [TS]

01:14:44   this really well it's something that I [TS]

01:14:46   think tim cook as coming from that deep [TS]

01:14:49   knowledge of the supply chain and you [TS]

01:14:51   know what kind of gotten onto the CEO [TS]

01:14:53   path understanding how you bring [TS]

01:14:55   different things together and what is [TS]

01:14:56   feasible customized used to consult on [TS]

01:14:59   this for high-tech companies where he [TS]

01:15:00   would look at what they had in the lab [TS]

01:15:02   he would look at what their customers [TS]

01:15:04   actually wanted he would help them match [TS]

01:15:06   those things together what was it [TS]

01:15:08   simple and what people wanted to turn it [TS]

01:15:10   into something that was manufacturable [TS]

01:15:11   or producible it is an incredible art [TS]

01:15:15   because you're you're modeling machines [TS]

01:15:17   in your head that make things on these [TS]

01:15:20   massive scale also it's not surprising [TS]

01:15:23   this happens from time to time it's just [TS]

01:15:24   apple is so good at in general executing [TS]

01:15:27   it that something deeply wrong when they [TS]

01:15:29   thought they could make some part of [TS]

01:15:31   this would work a hundred percent of the [TS]

01:15:32   time and they got together like this [TS]

01:15:34   works ninety-eight percent of the time [TS]

01:15:35   yeah it could be as it's probably as [TS]

01:15:37   little as that to based on what the [TS]

01:15:38   reports were ya secondhand talking to a [TS]

01:15:41   friend who has a friend who works on the [TS]

01:15:44   airport steam it is these things are a [TS]

01:15:46   bitch to manufacture and they knew it [TS]

01:15:48   was going to be right there's something [TS]

01:15:50   you know some part of hey we've got a it [TS]

01:15:56   you know i'm holding a pair right here [TS]

01:15:58   in my hand and I'm not trying to brag [TS]

01:16:00   you know I but it's very surprising to [TS]

01:16:02   me that I here we are in December ninth [TS]

01:16:04   and I've got air pods and nobody else [TS]

01:16:07   does [TS]

01:16:07   it's not late in the process that a [TS]

01:16:09   problem occurred you know I've got right [TS]

01:16:11   here in my hands proof that there [TS]

01:16:13   somewhere there there it's there what do [TS]

01:16:16   you know at by sep tember there was a [TS]

01:16:18   factory in China that was pushing out [TS]

01:16:21   very great high quality air pods and [TS]

01:16:25   somehow though being able to pull that [TS]

01:16:28   up to you know most punch out the [TS]

01:16:31   millions of them that they need to punch [TS]

01:16:33   out they've run into something now again [TS]

01:16:36   I've heard that in this from a different [TS]

01:16:39   source but I've heard that it's possible [TS]

01:16:41   that by the time you even listen to this [TS]

01:16:42   they might be out if you're listening [TS]

01:16:44   like next week that but i wouldn't be [TS]

01:16:46   surprised if you know that's to get [TS]

01:16:50   pushed out to january my side or [TS]

01:16:52   something has gone terribly wrong [TS]

01:16:53   my suspicion based on the fact that they [TS]

01:16:55   are able to ship units to you and other [TS]

01:16:56   viewers that from general reported you [TS]

01:16:59   know I think of Matthew pants are you [TS]

01:17:01   know what about this i think i think you [TS]

01:17:03   forget what your experiment they're [TS]

01:17:04   reliable your experience right they work [TS]

01:17:06   pretty much if they are you expected to [TS]

01:17:08   they don't work perfectly [TS]

01:17:10   I which occasionally but it but if if if [TS]

01:17:14   this is as good as the air pods one [TS]

01:17:16   point out are going to get if it's if if [TS]

01:17:19   the exact experience that I've had and [TS]

01:17:21   continue to have with these is exactly [TS]

01:17:23   what everybody would experience I would [TS]

01:17:25   still recommend it wholeheartedly and I [TS]

01:17:27   i would describe these air pods as is [TS]

01:17:30   occasional problems included as my [TS]

01:17:34   favorite new apple product oh here's a [TS]

01:17:37   llama [TS]

01:17:38   my suspicion is this is a QC your [TS]

01:17:40   quality control problem that they stay [TS]

01:17:42   turn down the volume they got production [TS]

01:17:44   units out they had some yield issues but [TS]

01:17:47   they said we can fix the heels and bute [TS]

01:17:48   simply old issues in production they [TS]

01:17:50   pulled out the best them sent them [TS]

01:17:51   through viewers and then they started [TS]

01:17:52   turning the dial up and when they turn [TS]

01:17:54   the dial up the yield was so poor on [TS]

01:17:57   which I don't know was there i think it [TS]

01:17:59   was like that that's a good idea because [TS]

01:18:00   they're that far along if they're making [TS]

01:18:02   something they can send to you that is [TS]

01:18:03   not a one-off item that is something [TS]

01:18:05   here a production line it has to be [TS]

01:18:07   it's not a software issue or yours would [TS]

01:18:09   be failing all the time was so it all [TS]

01:18:11   the other review every once in a while [TS]

01:18:12   the problems I've seen and they're very [TS]

01:18:13   similar to what Matthew seen every once [TS]

01:18:16   in awhile but it's been attacked by use [TS]

01:18:19   them all the time they're the only [TS]

01:18:20   headphones I've used since sep tember [TS]

01:18:22   period every once in a while the audio I [TS]

01:18:28   think it just gets a little stuttery [TS]

01:18:30   it's like there's some kind of bluetooth [TS]

01:18:32   you know some somehow the wireless [TS]

01:18:34   signal gets a jacked and you know [TS]

01:18:38   usually you can just take them out put [TS]

01:18:39   them back in it and you know [TS]

01:18:41   wait wait a little bit thick and it [TS]

01:18:42   fixes itself every once in a while I one [TS]

01:18:47   of them drops out and I've got both in [TS]

01:18:49   but it somehow mistakenly puts itself [TS]

01:18:53   into oh you just want to use one mode [TS]

01:18:55   because you can do that you can just put [TS]

01:18:57   one in and it'll just even though i [TS]

01:19:00   asked both in like the audio will stop [TS]

01:19:02   playing to the right one for a little [TS]

01:19:04   and then the way to fix it or at least I [TS]

01:19:06   fix it is taken both out put them in put [TS]

01:19:08   them in the little Tic Tac case and [TS]

01:19:10   start over but only that's only having [TS]

01:19:13   me like twice period and i think that's [TS]

01:19:16   it [TS]

01:19:17   I mean that's pretty much the the only [TS]

01:19:18   problem I've had with it every once in a [TS]

01:19:20   while you know [TS]

01:19:21   oh and the other problem is every once [TS]

01:19:23   in a while switching from one device to [TS]

01:19:25   another it doesn't go seamlessly it's it [TS]

01:19:29   it's not as magic as it should be that I [TS]

01:19:31   think though [TS]

01:19:32   is more of an iOS problem than a problem [TS]

01:19:35   with the airport's I think I suspect [TS]

01:19:37   that software and I've seen that last so [TS]

01:19:40   i wouldn't even be surprised if that's [TS]

01:19:41   actually been fixed in one of the recent [TS]

01:19:43   I'm actually running that the beta's on [TS]

01:19:48   all my devices like my phone is still [TS]

01:19:50   running that but whatever the current [TS]

01:19:51   developer beta of iOS yeah why wouldn't [TS]

01:19:54   I got to tattoo and I haven't seen that [TS]

01:19:56   in a few weeks i also had pretty much [TS]

01:20:00   just using with my iphone that you this [TS]

01:20:02   makes me think you know actually as I [TS]

01:20:03   think about it I realize because they [TS]

01:20:04   can push so much the software firmware [TS]

01:20:06   my suspicions even further that's not a [TS]

01:20:09   quality control issues realize it's the [TS]

01:20:11   next level thing which is they got a [TS]

01:20:13   bunch of units off they went through [TS]

01:20:15   quality control them with you automated [TS]

01:20:16   testing they started to pull samples to [TS]

01:20:19   test and they found with samples that [TS]

01:20:21   the defect rate wasn't being determined [TS]

01:20:24   through automatic testing and then they [TS]

01:20:25   started test more they realized that the [TS]

01:20:27   defect rate was was whatever the defect [TS]

01:20:30   was was wider more complicated and that [TS]

01:20:32   the whatever QC processor using would [TS]

01:20:35   not be adequate because otherwise [TS]

01:20:38   excuse me if if they can make some that [TS]

01:20:40   are good in some that aren't they would [TS]

01:20:42   have perhaps made a bunch and shipped [TS]

01:20:44   out the quantities and look we're [TS]

01:20:45   getting an early amount that we have [TS]

01:20:47   manufacturing problems we're going to [TS]

01:20:48   catch up we want to get the people to [TS]

01:20:50   commit to this earliest we're going to [TS]

01:20:51   send the first hundred thousand outright [TS]

01:20:53   because they even if they lost a hundred [TS]

01:20:55   thousand a hundred thousand units were [TS]

01:20:56   bad and a hundred thousand were good [TS]

01:20:58   they might do it because they do like [TS]

01:21:00   you know they do like to delay their [TS]

01:21:01   customers that's one thing they do so my [TS]

01:21:04   thinking is they couldn't even get a [TS]

01:21:05   yield or reliability high enough that [TS]

01:21:07   made them confident they could ship out [TS]

01:21:09   any numbers in quantity [TS]

01:21:11   yeah until this and I think they also [TS]

01:21:13   tend to know who how we're going to [TS]

01:21:19   catch up like so for example with Apple [TS]

01:21:23   watch Apple watch into you know the [TS]

01:21:25   original one launched and couldn't meet [TS]

01:21:28   demand [TS]

01:21:29   not even close but their estimates were [TS]

01:21:33   if anything [TS]

01:21:35   Oh under promising and over-delivering [TS]

01:21:37   so like if you ordered an Apple watch [TS]

01:21:40   right when they first started taking [TS]

01:21:42   orders and and it your your preferred [TS]

01:21:45   model said six to eight weeks you [TS]

01:21:47   probably got it in like five weeks it [TS]

01:21:51   seems you know and and did their [TS]

01:21:53   pretended they were they push the [TS]

01:21:54   unpopular model that developers could [TS]

01:21:56   get the blue whatever grammars were [TS]

01:21:58   which was nice it was like we have some [TS]

01:22:00   that aren't committed so we're gonna [TS]

01:22:01   make them available to you know and [TS]

01:22:03   that's how a lot of a lot of developers [TS]

01:22:05   made a lot of friends and it's also been [TS]

01:22:07   true for example with the iphone 7 you [TS]

01:22:09   know where there were certain models you [TS]

01:22:12   know the jet black and the plus sized [TS]

01:22:15   ones that you know if you didn't get [TS]

01:22:17   your order and write it at midnight [TS]

01:22:19   pacific you know you were given that you [TS]

01:22:22   know you're worried you weren't going to [TS]

01:22:23   get it on day one but whatever they said [TS]

01:22:25   whenever they were promising that's when [TS]

01:22:27   you got it you did get it before and I [TS]

01:22:30   you know I ordered a couple of them in [TS]

01:22:32   one of them I don't six to eight weeks [TS]

01:22:33   or something like that and I got it I [TS]

01:22:35   got it in four weeks [TS]

01:22:36   oh wow great ah so whatever is going on [TS]

01:22:39   with the airport's isn't like that you [TS]

01:22:40   know like it seems to me like they [TS]

01:22:42   aren't willing to commit you know [TS]

01:22:44   obviously if if they could if they felt [TS]

01:22:46   like well we can't meet demand right now [TS]

01:22:47   but within two months we will they'd [TS]

01:22:50   starts out taking orders and say six to [TS]

01:22:52   eight weeks delivery [TS]

01:22:54   exactly and the other thing too is that [TS]

01:22:56   it whatever it is it was obviously a [TS]

01:22:58   surprise and it's sort of like an [TS]

01:23:00   unknown known you know I mean like they [TS]

01:23:03   did they don't quite have a handle on [TS]

01:23:04   the problem because I expected it [TS]

01:23:09   it seemed like Apple expected when the [TS]

01:23:10   invitations went out for the mac book [TS]

01:23:12   pro event in October it seemed as though [TS]

01:23:16   they were expecting to launch of the air [TS]

01:23:18   Pods at that event and say they are now [TS]

01:23:21   available and that you know I think [TS]

01:23:22   those invitations as as per apples usual [TS]

01:23:25   want only one out like a week before the [TS]

01:23:27   event something up to like a week before [TS]

01:23:29   that event they still thought that they [TS]

01:23:31   were going to launch in late October [TS]

01:23:32   that I also think you know so the [TS]

01:23:35   narrative about apple always get spun [TS]

01:23:37   they're doing because it acts and we [TS]

01:23:39   don't do that here because we know right [TS]

01:23:41   but you've got two billion dollars the [TS]

01:23:43   bank and you know I've said I think [TS]

01:23:45   under a trump administration Apple could [TS]

01:23:47   very well because they will have a deal [TS]

01:23:49   to repatriate their money and they'll [TS]

01:23:52   pay some different tax rate that's [TS]

01:23:53   probably get solved right sample of even [TS]

01:23:55   more money to spend in the US the [TS]

01:23:57   three-peat really like [TS]

01:23:58   you know they're not going anywhere but [TS]

01:24:00   I actually think this is a story that [TS]

01:24:01   one could argue is the difference [TS]

01:24:04   between them in samsung perhaps or a [TS]

01:24:06   sign that Apple is still on the right [TS]

01:24:07   track [TS]

01:24:07   even if maybe they have too much on [TS]

01:24:10   their plate that's not executing all in [TS]

01:24:12   concert you know we're not anticipating [TS]

01:24:13   the USBC adapter- response then they [TS]

01:24:17   lowered prices so Apple didn't ship the [TS]

01:24:20   earpods and then say poop some of them [TS]

01:24:22   are bad and take them into a store and [TS]

01:24:24   we'll send you a botanist to return it [TS]

01:24:26   they said we can't ship these in good [TS]

01:24:29   conscience because whatever reason maybe [TS]

01:24:31   they couldn't even get them off the [TS]

01:24:32   assembly line which seems unlikely since [TS]

01:24:34   they had review units [TS]

01:24:35   I'm sure they are ramped up to a point [TS]

01:24:37   to grow and produce them in the [TS]

01:24:38   quantities that they needed to ramp up [TS]

01:24:39   towards but this tells me they're more [TS]

01:24:42   willing to take the hit of customers are [TS]

01:24:44   happy to get a thing that they want to [TS]

01:24:45   delete them by just delaying [TS]

01:24:48   indefinitely until they know they can [TS]

01:24:50   deliver something that's functional that [TS]

01:24:51   is a good sign to me even because he [TS]

01:24:54   can't always hit on all cylinders on [TS]

01:24:55   manufacturing and you know they losing [TS]

01:24:57   sales but are there things that are [TS]

01:24:59   direct competitors that someone is [TS]

01:25:02   saying I'm canceling my Airport Airport [TS]

01:25:03   order to buy this other thing I think [TS]

01:25:06   you just have to delay for most people [TS]

01:25:07   who are going to be about your other [TS]

01:25:09   right there apple is really screwed [TS]

01:25:12   because some people who really want [TS]

01:25:13   wireless headphones are buying Beats or [TS]

01:25:18   they're waiting up and sitting on [TS]

01:25:19   waiting for being a few million dollars [TS]

01:25:20   relative to their multibillion-dollar [TS]

01:25:22   earnings I so i can see the [TS]

01:25:26   possibilities would be aa the best-case [TS]

01:25:29   scenario is that sometime in the next [TS]

01:25:31   week Apple start shipping them in [TS]

01:25:34   significant quantity and I feel like if [TS]

01:25:38   that happens it'll mostly be all's [TS]

01:25:41   forgiven [TS]

01:25:42   although I seriously think that they've [TS]

01:25:44   shut one way they shot themselves in the [TS]

01:25:46   foot is that the most likely time for [TS]

01:25:47   someone to buy one and while they're [TS]

01:25:49   young they're iphone 7 and so absolutely [TS]

01:25:51   there's an awful lot of people who would [TS]

01:25:52   have said well what the hell attack on a [TS]

01:25:53   hundred and fifty dollars who now that [TS]

01:25:56   their iphone 7 doesn't even feel that [TS]

01:25:58   new it's like well that's just my iphone [TS]

01:25:59   they're not going to spend $150 on it [TS]

01:26:02   but if they can do it in the next week [TS]

01:26:04   in sufficient quantity it's also very [TS]

01:26:06   clearly that a stocking stuffer right i [TS]

01:26:10   mean like well yeah in every aspect [TS]

01:26:12   double-word you know it's it's something [TS]

01:26:14   expensive gift you get for something [TS]

01:26:15   that you know 200 and was it to her box [TS]

01:26:17   forgot 129 or whatever just took 150 so [TS]

01:26:20   it's you know it's out of the scale of a [TS]

01:26:21   lot it's not you know if I don't know [TS]

01:26:23   what families have different limits and [TS]

01:26:24   whatever but it's like you know we got [TS]

01:26:25   one of my kit want light right and this [TS]

01:26:27   is secret my son doesn't listen either [TS]

01:26:29   my kids listen to this podcast but your [TS]

01:26:32   size style so I think I don't think that [TS]

01:26:35   was the part where they get older they [TS]

01:26:36   will they listen to the game show [TS]

01:26:38   episodes of being comfortable where some [TS]

01:26:40   of the host will say oh no Glenn's kids [TS]

01:26:42   are listening you know ended up but so [TS]

01:26:45   my older son has a great proclivity [TS]

01:26:47   towards music is a thank God not a [TS]

01:26:49   prodigy because we know happy lives and [TS]

01:26:52   products do not go together [TS]

01:26:53   please get his musical talent it's [TS]

01:26:55   really neat and he's been learning a [TS]

01:26:56   bunch of instruments and his flute is [TS]

01:26:58   his primary one but he suddenly got [TS]

01:26:59   interested in the trombone and I'm like [TS]

01:27:02   okay I guess we have a small house but [TS]

01:27:04   you know i love hearing play ok you know [TS]

01:27:07   we got a mute or so his mother-in-law [TS]

01:27:08   for my mother-in-law father-in-law got [TS]

01:27:11   there is a gift which is no got a modest [TS]

01:27:13   model on sale and whatever but it's a [TS]

01:27:15   it's the pricey gift and he'll [TS]

01:27:17   appreciate it [TS]

01:27:17   so that's kind of out of our usual [TS]

01:27:19   studio but the grandparents are allowed [TS]

01:27:20   to do that and and they asked well if [TS]

01:27:22   you look at like you know airport we [TS]

01:27:24   didn't get him we didn't get their pods [TS]

01:27:25   let me just tell you that right if you [TS]

01:27:26   look at 10 you [TS]

01:27:28   nobody's getting hair plugs for good [TS]

01:27:29   chance at least not yet if i'm good i'm [TS]

01:27:32   going to your earplugs though that's [TS]

01:27:34   gonna be my if you look at the ipod [TS]

01:27:35   sales history i mean there's a lot of [TS]

01:27:37   reasons for the reasons that ramped up [TS]

01:27:39   that the first few years it was a mac [TS]

01:27:41   only product and and etc but it it's [TS]

01:27:44   when they when they found good models [TS]

01:27:47   that can hit that 199 price point is [TS]

01:27:49   really when it exploded [TS]

01:27:51   it's there's something magical about [TS]

01:27:52   sub-county dollars in terms of ok that [TS]

01:27:55   this isn't something you know will [TS]

01:27:58   it's not a lark but it's you know gift [TS]

01:28:02   so 159 would be great if they can do it [TS]

01:28:03   this week it'll you know in quantity [TS]

01:28:06   that would be great [TS]

01:28:07   that's the best-case scenario and I [TS]

01:28:09   think it's mostly also forgiven if the [TS]

01:28:11   ship [TS]

01:28:11   ooh it in the next week or so but it's [TS]

01:28:15   not in sufficient quantity and it's six [TS]

01:28:17   to eight weeks back order passed the [TS]

01:28:18   holidays forever just about it for all [TS]

01:28:21   practical effects that's [TS]

01:28:23   sex and it's obviously a huge mess for [TS]

01:28:26   the yeah because it was you know it the [TS]

01:28:29   holiday getting these things out in time [TS]

01:28:31   the ship for the holiday was is huge its [TS]

01:28:33   there's just no doubt about it it's it's [TS]

01:28:35   you know it's one of those items that's [TS]

01:28:37   gonna sell in that spiky whoa look at [TS]

01:28:40   the fourth quarter cells double what it [TS]

01:28:43   doesn't that other three quarters of the [TS]

01:28:44   year type product and then a few third [TS]

01:28:49   is a polder was always pull those who [TS]

01:28:51   was people bought earpods they thought [TS]

01:28:53   their pod plus the new phone so some [TS]

01:28:55   people delayed getting a new thought [TS]

01:28:56   until they could get everybody third [TS]

01:28:57   case scenario would be it doesn't even [TS]

01:28:59   ship for in in low quantity this month [TS]

01:29:02   from my god [TS]

01:29:03   yeah and there was macrumors had a story [TS]

01:29:05   you know put somehow source to the [TS]

01:29:08   supply chain that it's been pushed back [TS]

01:29:09   to january and then the next day they [TS]

01:29:11   had a counter story that said no no [TS]

01:29:12   it'll it's shipping soon [TS]

01:29:14   that's really embarrassing and then I [TS]

01:29:17   guess yeah it is [TS]

01:29:19   terms of what's actually possible it you [TS]

01:29:21   can't say it's impossible that they [TS]

01:29:23   never even ship them that it's at you [TS]

01:29:26   know that battle man that would be very [TS]

01:29:28   bad for confidence not no not under [TS]

01:29:30   financial side a bit very small but the [TS]

01:29:33   confidence of it would ideally never [TS]

01:29:35   seems important but net you know what if [TS]

01:29:37   it doesn't happen to like July like my [TS]

01:29:39   tie on right it would just become a [TS]

01:29:42   zombie comes the Albatross right like [TS]

01:29:44   it's a very beautiful birds flying not [TS]

01:29:46   so much one thing around your neck [TS]

01:29:47   yeah again does not doing the company [TS]

01:29:50   but this is just at this point I feel [TS]

01:29:53   like that you know it [TS]

01:29:55   december nine i mean it's it's probably [TS]

01:29:57   too close [TS]

01:29:58   I mean it's you know we're talking 15 16 [TS]

01:30:01   days till Christmas be a bunch of people [TS]

01:30:03   in a factory in China very don't you [TS]

01:30:05   know delicately opening up things and [TS]

01:30:06   fixing a tiny thing or I have a testing [TS]

01:30:09   like one at a time [TS]

01:30:10   I don't know this but i certainly would [TS]

01:30:12   i would bet heavily that there are some [TS]

01:30:14   normally cupertino residents who are [TS]

01:30:19   standing out you know it to consumer the [TS]

01:30:22   story about Tim Cook was a great story i [TS]

01:30:24   think it was you tell the thing yeah [TS]

01:30:26   it's the driving that meeting was I came [TS]

01:30:28   with a specific problem something was [TS]

01:30:29   going on in China that was problematic [TS]

01:30:31   he's their CEO the person at the table [TS]

01:30:34   explains it and they go on the meeting [TS]

01:30:36   and it's [TS]

01:30:36   point Tim looks and says what why are [TS]

01:30:39   you still here and the guy walked out [TS]

01:30:41   and like literally got a plane to China [TS]

01:30:42   right take care of the problem i'm [TS]

01:30:44   tellin it right it's clear yeah it's [TS]

01:30:45   somebody you know Tim said okay well [TS]

01:30:47   you're responsible for fixing it you'll [TS]

01:30:49   know you'll you'll have to go there to [TS]

01:30:51   fix it and then a meeting keeps going in [TS]

01:30:53   the guy didn't get up and in the hand [TS]

01:30:55   Tim Cook says why are you still here and [TS]

01:30:57   so that I realized that I realized that [TS]

01:30:59   that's how quickly he wanted him to go [TS]

01:31:00   and he drove he didn't go home and pack [TS]

01:31:03   he just drove to the airport and figure [TS]

01:31:05   out clothes you know once he gets to [TS]

01:31:06   Beijing you can buy clothes and try not [TS]

01:31:09   very easily right so that I i like that [TS]

01:31:13   it also wasn't that time was you know [TS]

01:31:14   screaming and red-faced that any just [TS]

01:31:16   like why are you still here right I [TS]

01:31:17   thought that that's me set a tone for [TS]

01:31:20   the Tim Cook administration and I think [TS]

01:31:24   it's follow-through pretty well that we [TS]

01:31:26   expect that he holds people responsible [TS]

01:31:29   without it you know for the right reason [TS]

01:31:31   when things aren't working it's going to [TS]

01:31:32   get fixed that's what this feels like [TS]

01:31:34   from the outside that there's a black [TS]

01:31:36   there's a bunch of people who are you [TS]

01:31:38   know like we got to get this fixed so I [TS]

01:31:39   could be with my family at the holidays [TS]

01:31:41   at the end of the year [TS]

01:31:41   yeah let me take a break and thank our [TS]

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01:31:46   sponsor the show with a just a fantastic [TS]

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01:31:53   people who only do that that's mail [TS]

01:31:56   route this is what my wrath that's all [TS]

01:31:57   they do is they don't host email they [TS]

01:32:00   don't hear about all they do is filter [TS]

01:32:03   for you take all the junk out so what [TS]

01:32:06   the way it works is pretty simple if you [TS]

01:32:07   control a domain where you get email [TS]

01:32:10   whether you're a big company [TS]

01:32:12   ok he they do stuff for huge companies [TS]

01:32:14   or whether you're like me and I've got [TS]

01:32:17   like the only person who has a at daring [TS]

01:32:20   fireball dotnet email doesn't matter big [TS]

01:32:24   or small you just point your MX records [TS]

01:32:27   for the domain to go to mail route first [TS]

01:32:29   your mail goes to them first they filter [TS]

01:32:32   out all the junk and then they [TS]

01:32:33   immediately you know we're talking like [TS]

01:32:35   hundreds of a second later it forward [TS]

01:32:37   onto your actual mail server so from the [TS]

01:32:40   outside the MX records point mail route [TS]

01:32:42   then goes to measure out and it's just a [TS]

01:32:44   filter literally it's just the filter [TS]

01:32:46   and then the actual good email just goes [TS]

01:32:49   right to your server [TS]

01:32:50   so it doesn't even take any longer and [TS]

01:32:52   that you know other than like fraction [TS]

01:32:54   of a second but all of a sudden your [TS]

01:32:57   email has no junk no garbage [TS]

01:33:00   it just works and that's all they do [TS]

01:33:01   this is all they do it's a fantastic [TS]

01:33:04   service and it really works great and [TS]

01:33:08   all sorts of other companies are getting [TS]

01:33:09   out of the email protection business [TS]

01:33:11   because it's at artwork postini went [TS]

01:33:13   away Maccabees thing went away MX logic [TS]

01:33:16   went away [TS]

01:33:17   this is a tremendous service there's no [TS]

01:33:20   hardware or software to install it sound [TS]

01:33:22   like you installs new software you just [TS]

01:33:24   point your domain at them so it doesn't [TS]

01:33:27   matter what you are using for your email [TS]

01:33:30   doesn't matter if you're using like [TS]

01:33:32   microsoft stuff in a corporate [TS]

01:33:33   environment or even if you're hosting on [TS]

01:33:36   google apps or something like that so [TS]

01:33:40   whether you're a small home business or [TS]

01:33:42   a huge isp mail route handles customers [TS]

01:33:44   of all sizes and provides the same level [TS]

01:33:47   of outstanding tech support everyone [TS]

01:33:48   they send you anything you'd think you'd [TS]

01:33:52   want with a service like this like you [TS]

01:33:53   want to get a report every day with like [TS]

01:33:55   the the mail that got filtered so you [TS]

01:33:59   can like eyeball it and make sure that [TS]

01:34:00   good stuff is getting caught you can do [TS]

01:34:01   that it's so great and it's just [TS]

01:34:04   completely focused on this one thing [TS]

01:34:06   which is filtering the junk out of your [TS]

01:34:09   email i don't know what to say about if [TS]

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01:34:18   really really recommend that you look at [TS]

01:34:20   it they even give you a 30 day free [TS]

01:34:24   trial so you can go there and and just [TS]

01:34:27   in the time it takes to change the MX [TS]

01:34:29   records for your domain there you go [TS]

01:34:31   your setup and you can go and and try it [TS]

01:34:34   out and see that it actually works [TS]

01:34:35   before you even give him a nickel and [TS]

01:34:38   once you do start paying go to mail [TS]

01:34:39   route that net / TT stts the initials [TS]

01:34:42   for the talk show her out that net that [TS]

01:34:44   tts and if you use that URL to get [TS]

01:34:48   started you get ten percent off for the [TS]

01:34:51   lifetime of your account so like if you [TS]

01:34:55   use them for like the next 15 years [TS]

01:34:57   every single month when you pay them [TS]

01:34:59   you save ten percent because you started [TS]

01:35:00   by going to mail route dotnet [TS]

01:35:02   / tts so my thanks to them go check them [TS]

01:35:05   out [TS]

01:35:06   highly highly highly recommend them what [TS]

01:35:11   else is going on [TS]

01:35:12   you see this thing where apple launched [TS]

01:35:15   their TV single sign-on he still have a [TS]

01:35:19   sort of lonely lost [TS]

01:35:21   yeah they lost it all right I'll give [TS]

01:35:22   him that they did lunch it so John patch [TS]

01:35:24   kowski put it well and sweet so just the [TS]

01:35:26   other day apple launched the single this [TS]

01:35:27   is the thing where you can use your like [TS]

01:35:30   cable service user name and password to [TS]

01:35:34   sign in and then all of the apps on like [TS]

01:35:38   your apple TV that require a cable you [TS]

01:35:43   know service thing to get you don't have [TS]

01:35:46   to log into each one of them [TS]

01:35:47   individually and you know type the four [TS]

01:35:49   digits from your phone and blah blah [TS]

01:35:51   blah for each app over and over again [TS]

01:35:53   you sign in once at a system level and [TS]

01:35:56   then the apps just pick it up and then [TS]

01:35:57   they just work the problem is that they [TS]

01:36:01   launched it and they don't have comcast [TS]

01:36:03   they don't have time warner cable they [TS]

01:36:05   don't have fios they don't have on the [TS]

01:36:07   content side they don't have ABC CBS or [TS]

01:36:10   ESPN they don't have HBO GO [TS]

01:36:13   so it's launched but and I guess you [TS]

01:36:18   know it's the big ones that i can see in [TS]

01:36:20   the list and maybe I'm under estimating [TS]

01:36:22   some of the ones you know like I've [TS]

01:36:23   never heard of some of these like [TS]

01:36:24   Hawaiian telecom well it's probably [TS]

01:36:27   local hole 0 ye the ones i've heard of [TS]

01:36:31   our directv and dish so if you have [TS]

01:36:33   satellite TV if through directv or dish [TS]

01:36:36   you're you're in but without comcast and [TS]

01:36:41   time warner and fire us [TS]

01:36:43   boy that's its I mean and out hopefully [TS]

01:36:45   this is one of those things that it just [TS]

01:36:48   takes time to get these people on board [TS]

01:36:50   and maybe it's not even so much that [TS]

01:36:52   they're reluctant to sign up but that [TS]

01:36:54   there they just need time to get [TS]

01:36:57   integrated on their back ends but this [TS]

01:37:00   doesn't look good either because this [TS]

01:37:01   was announced at WWDC yeah right and it [TS]

01:37:05   was emphasized and reiterated in the in [TS]

01:37:08   the iphone event September that later [TS]

01:37:11   this year [TS]

01:37:12   we're gonna you know roll this out this [TS]

01:37:14   is when they announced that the video [TS]

01:37:16   app is renamed to TV on iOS it was [TS]

01:37:22   announced and I don't you know if this [TS]

01:37:24   is all they're going to have by the end [TS]

01:37:25   of the year boy that's it's nowhere near [TS]

01:37:28   what they were promising in September so [TS]

01:37:30   this is another one where I feel like [TS]

01:37:31   Apple is really falling short [TS]

01:37:33   I I wouldn't have thought they would [TS]

01:37:34   have announced that when they didn't [TS]

01:37:36   less they had on the biggest services [TS]

01:37:38   signed on especially HBO they have a [TS]

01:37:40   partnership with although I mean I guess [TS]

01:37:43   it's HBO via these providers and other [TS]

01:37:45   providers still the issue but HPS app is [TS]

01:37:49   not listed so conceivably unit HBO and [TS]

01:37:51   the providers couldn't get a deal then [TS]

01:37:53   you know maybe HBO as contracts that [TS]

01:37:56   prohibited unless providers degree some [TS]

01:37:58   of the apps are ios-only and some rtds [TS]

01:38:01   only most hurt most of those are there [TS]

01:38:03   are some one platform only TSD vos as [TS]

01:38:07   well it is weird because it seemed i [TS]

01:38:11   mean if you don't have comcast and time [TS]

01:38:14   warner why wouldn't you have why would [TS]

01:38:16   you have launched why would you announce [TS]

01:38:18   like pressure like well we'll get some [TS]

01:38:22   of the big ones and you know they have [TS]

01:38:24   some of them to directv makes sense [TS]

01:38:25   because AT&T connection all that but it [TS]

01:38:27   just it's a it seems to me to go [TS]

01:38:31   hand-in-hand with their pods in terms of [TS]

01:38:33   that it seems like they were taken by [TS]

01:38:36   surprise like with a thought that they [TS]

01:38:38   had this and it ends up they don't [TS]

01:38:40   whether it's a negotiation thing that [TS]

01:38:42   wasn't finalized or if it's a technical [TS]

01:38:44   thing or a little bit of column a and a [TS]

01:38:46   little bit of column be seems to me that [TS]

01:38:48   in September they thought they were [TS]

01:38:49   going to have this by you know around [TS]

01:38:51   now the end of end of november very [TS]

01:38:54   early December and it they don't [TS]

01:38:56   well we've heard you know about any key [TS]

01:38:58   showing up with the untucked shirt and [TS]

01:39:00   getting like the famous detail and [TS]

01:39:02   pissing off TV or you know exactly what [TS]

01:39:05   I'm Warner right was a time when yeah [TS]

01:39:07   it's like I mean there is a little i [TS]

01:39:09   don't i'm not going to credit that with [TS]

01:39:10   being how real thing that was that came [TS]

01:39:13   from the the cable right the side up [TS]

01:39:15   from the apple cider whatever but it may [TS]

01:39:18   be that they were just you know they've [TS]

01:39:20   apples be able to pull through a lot of [TS]

01:39:21   deals on the advantage of bringing a ton [TS]

01:39:25   of users along [TS]

01:39:26   I'm being a net benefit for [TS]

01:39:27   subscriptions and there's this related [TS]

01:39:29   discussion that one wasn't just on TV OS [TS]

01:39:32   that Apple may drop that the for [TS]

01:39:35   subscriptions from thirty percent of 15 [TS]

01:39:36   / yes yes [TS]

01:39:37   so which would be it's a nice big carrot [TS]

01:39:40   to give to any of the cable saw a cable [TS]

01:39:44   networks and i'm always confused about [TS]

01:39:47   exactly i don't follow this closely [TS]

01:39:48   enough which premium channels are owned [TS]

01:39:51   by which cable or media company and [TS]

01:39:53   because the cable companies now own sort [TS]

01:39:55   of change the media companies it's all [TS]

01:39:57   slightly interrelated there too so it's [TS]

01:40:01   some cases you're like all right well [TS]

01:40:02   they income you know comcast is all the [TS]

01:40:08   different providers are going to move I [TS]

01:40:10   mean everyone knows that eventually it's [TS]

01:40:11   going to be unbundled right very [TS]

01:40:13   everything's gonna be unbundled it [TS]

01:40:15   they're all fighting against it as hard [TS]

01:40:16   as they can but we've seen all the [TS]

01:40:17   cracks and AT&T and DirecTV now deal is [TS]

01:40:21   no part of its not necessarily even [TS]

01:40:23   financially fantastic unless you do that [TS]

01:40:26   early sign up deal the $35 400 channels [TS]

01:40:29   like you know lock-in like that's a good [TS]

01:40:31   deal i think but we're coming we're [TS]

01:40:34   going to come to a world in which [TS]

01:40:34   bandwidth is one thing I've got my [TS]

01:40:37   gigabit internet as long as it lasts [TS]

01:40:39   from centurylink which is a you know [TS]

01:40:41   bottom to your telco that is has a lot [TS]

01:40:44   of a copper installed so their sweat [TS]

01:40:47   trying to switch to fiber but have to [TS]

01:40:49   hope they actually survived and this is [TS]

01:40:50   viable but you know even comcast is [TS]

01:40:52   delivering higher speeds or delivering [TS]

01:40:55   higher caps there's all these [TS]

01:40:56   zero-rating issues that are coming up [TS]

01:40:57   with AT&T in terms of how they'll count [TS]

01:41:00   direct TV streaming over wireless like [TS]

01:41:02   there's a whole swirling the asthma [TS]

01:41:04   things and I would have thought in the [TS]

01:41:05   middle of this that apple would have [TS]

01:41:06   been a great tool for the cable [TS]

01:41:08   operators to extend value and for the [TS]

01:41:11   cable channels they own which are many [TS]

01:41:14   of them to you know have more people [TS]

01:41:17   signed up in various ways and though it [TS]

01:41:18   you know happening to me and they're all [TS]

01:41:20   single sign-on thing seems to me like [TS]

01:41:22   why not like if you wear comcast like a [TS]

01:41:25   few all of a sudden you're an executive [TS]

01:41:27   at comcast I can see where they're wary [TS]

01:41:30   of things that enable cord-cutting right [TS]

01:41:34   because they don't they you know they [TS]

01:41:35   want to fight that and they want to milk [TS]

01:41:37   the [TS]

01:41:38   that we have these customers paying us a [TS]

01:41:41   hundred and some dollars a month every [TS]

01:41:43   month for cable TV and kevin has a [TS]

01:41:45   really nice deal and we want to keep [TS]

01:41:47   that going as long as we can but the [TS]

01:41:49   single sign on is based on that right [TS]

01:41:51   it's based on the idea that you're still [TS]

01:41:53   paying for a monthly thing right it's [TS]

01:41:56   not a cord cutting things so why not get [TS]

01:41:58   on board with it [TS]

01:41:59   I i don't quite get it mm unless it's [TS]

01:42:02   just technical problems unless it's [TS]

01:42:04   because I can do it now right comcast i [TS]

01:42:06   can use a contract signing for all sorts [TS]

01:42:09   of things already been alright [TS]

01:42:10   preventing me from doing it this is [TS]

01:42:11   makes it harder right it is exactly [TS]

01:42:13   right it's just making something easier [TS]

01:42:16   for the b-24 the person you know for the [TS]

01:42:18   user that that you can already do i [TS]

01:42:21   already have on my I have comcast [TS]

01:42:22   service and I have an apple TV and I [TS]

01:42:24   have at least a handful of apps from [TS]

01:42:27   cable channels like HBO the main one [TS]

01:42:31   where I have to sign in with my comcast [TS]

01:42:33   credentials to prove that i have cable [TS]

01:42:36   this would just make it easier and I so [TS]

01:42:38   it's it's a little frustrating to me I [TS]

01:42:40   have to believe that comcast and the [TS]

01:42:42   other big ones think they're going to [TS]

01:42:43   lose some kind of audience presence to [TS]

01:42:46   apple by allowing Apple 2 / brand it [TS]

01:42:48   there's also the the melding of it right [TS]

01:42:50   the TV app is going to going to but that [TS]

01:42:53   was different [TS]

01:42:54   again I can see why they're not [TS]

01:42:55   participate you know like that [TS]

01:42:57   yea networks in particular is is a [TS]

01:42:59   holdout on that speaking is right for [TS]

01:43:01   these other these other things will go [TS]

01:43:03   right i mean a TV app will include a lot [TS]

01:43:06   of likes of drawn from all these other [TS]

01:43:07   apps so it's not necessarily a perfect [TS]

01:43:09   overlap that they're not allowing this [TS]

01:43:11   it just seems it seems inconvenient [TS]

01:43:12   instead of a strategy so i have to [TS]

01:43:15   believe there's something we don't [TS]

01:43:16   understand let's not just peek or [TS]

01:43:17   there's some money that should be [TS]

01:43:19   changing hands that apple doesn't wanna [TS]

01:43:20   pay or comcast exception thinks they're [TS]

01:43:23   losing out so I saw the other day that [TS]

01:43:25   netflix became the top-grossing iOS app [TS]

01:43:28   and now i just looked as we're talking [TS]

01:43:30   and it's slipped to number two behind [TS]

01:43:32   clash Royale interesting but it's you [TS]

01:43:36   know it now that they caused it used to [TS]

01:43:38   be that they didn't take sign ups [TS]

01:43:40   because I guess they didn't want to [TS]

01:43:41   split the money with Apple you had to [TS]

01:43:42   you know sign up for netflix outside of [TS]

01:43:44   iOS android browser and then you can [TS]

01:43:48   sign in with your credentials but now [TS]

01:43:49   that they're taking the [TS]

01:43:51   the in-app purchases there the [TS]

01:43:53   number-two grossing app and that's only [TS]

01:43:56   counting the people who are paying [TS]

01:43:57   through iOS not all of us who have been [TS]

01:44:00   signed up for netflix for years aren't [TS]

01:44:03   even in there so in terms of like Hayes [TS]

01:44:05   netflix doing well that looks like they [TS]

01:44:07   are but I'm curious this is one of those [TS]

01:44:09   things that I've sort of lost track of [TS]

01:44:11   is that whole ok we're going to give [TS]

01:44:14   some of you guys the big-name TV [TS]

01:44:16   channels in 8515 split instead of 7030 [TS]

01:44:19   like did netflix get in on that or were [TS]

01:44:22   they too soon [TS]

01:44:22   like is this based on an 8515 splitter [TS]

01:44:25   7030 I don't know if anybody knows that [TS]

01:44:27   other than you know apple and netflix i [TS]

01:44:30   don't think i've seen anything that's [TS]

01:44:32   even hinted that someone new which ones [TS]

01:44:34   were involved it i have to believe see [TS]

01:44:36   for netflix has interesting situation [TS]

01:44:38   like Apple doing that second year [TS]

01:44:39   subscription price you know the only [TS]

01:44:41   paying fifteen percent commission now [TS]

01:44:43   like that's part of that's changed I [TS]

01:44:46   think a lot of people found significant [TS]

01:44:47   worthwhile especially in the for smaller [TS]

01:44:49   companies or anything some of the bigger [TS]

01:44:51   ones that sell subscriptions stuff and [TS]

01:44:52   really rely on the internet purchases [TS]

01:44:54   based purchase system but the netflix [TS]

01:45:00   may have reached a point where it is [TS]

01:45:02   saturated its ability to acquire market [TS]

01:45:05   from our to acquire customers in a way [TS]

01:45:09   that they know the cost is to be lower [TS]

01:45:11   than thirty percent if they're not [TS]

01:45:13   getting 15-percent they may have said [TS]

01:45:14   are we not going to sweep in people that [TS]

01:45:17   we're not getting our number of [TS]

01:45:18   spreadsheets shows that giving up an [TS]

01:45:20   extra fifteen percent here is worthwhile [TS]

01:45:21   right after the first year because it [TS]

01:45:23   pencils out good for us and we get the [TS]

01:45:25   money in the second year and some of [TS]

01:45:26   these people may unsubscribe three [TS]

01:45:28   subscribe to the website because we're [TS]

01:45:29   not our customers and you know all works [TS]

01:45:32   it's all good now because we're in the [TS]

01:45:33   last X percentage people we can reach [TS]

01:45:35   and they seem to have done pretty well [TS]

01:45:37   with a fairly liberal policy of shared [TS]

01:45:41   accounts who you know that they're not [TS]

01:45:43   real doesn't seem like they're big on [TS]

01:45:47   trying to lock down like you know three [TS]

01:45:49   or four people sharing an account right [TS]

01:45:52   across a bunch of because it seems like [TS]

01:45:53   they're you know they have the right [TS]

01:45:55   idea which is look somebody's paying us [TS]

01:45:57   ten bucks a month or whatever it is and [TS]

01:46:00   multiply it by the number of [TS]

01:46:02   x millions of other people who are [TS]

01:46:04   paying us ten bucks a month if you know [TS]

01:46:06   there's some leakage here of shared [TS]

01:46:09   accounts [TS]

01:46:10   who cares the money coming in is great [TS]

01:46:12   and growing in the content you know what [TS]

01:46:14   we're paying for the content is here so [TS]

01:46:16   we're you know you know it seems like [TS]

01:46:20   they've they've always had a good [TS]

01:46:22   balance in that front [TS]

01:46:23   yeah i agree I agree all right last time [TS]

01:46:25   I can think of is you want to talk about [TS]

01:46:27   forehead Manchus column this week in the [TS]

01:46:30   New York Times which was told the death [TS]

01:46:32   of gadgets [TS]

01:46:33   yeah kinda i kinda like this piece [TS]

01:46:35   because I realized it seem like I'm [TS]

01:46:38   trying to think how many years ago has [TS]

01:46:39   occurred to me i think when gizmodo said [TS]

01:46:41   that they were going to sort of change [TS]

01:46:43   how they approached what they do with [TS]

01:46:45   reporting and structure and was like [TS]

01:46:47   three years ago now and yeah maybe I [TS]

01:46:49   don't know there was a point at which it [TS]

01:46:51   seemed like gadgets started to go away [TS]

01:46:52   like the obsessive focus on gadgets or [TS]

01:46:55   something is moto was the first to there [TS]

01:46:57   was any gadget then there was gadgets [TS]

01:46:59   and then they were you know a thousand [TS]

01:47:01   thousand blogs that were devoted to [TS]

01:47:02   obsessive coverage with as much leaked [TS]

01:47:05   information and unboxing and everything [TS]

01:47:07   is possible every little doodad that [TS]

01:47:08   came out and i'll tell you like even on [TS]

01:47:10   my now dead [TS]

01:47:12   I mean still archive Wi-Fi networking [TS]

01:47:14   site one of the most popular things I [TS]

01:47:16   ever posted there was a tiny is a post a [TS]

01:47:19   tiny video about this thing called a [TS]

01:47:20   canary wireless something and it was [TS]

01:47:22   like a tiny standalone device that would [TS]

01:47:24   show you what Wi-Fi networks were around [TS]

01:47:26   you is like a handheld Wi-Fi detector [TS]

01:47:28   and with list off the network's an LED [TS]

01:47:31   display a LCD display and people I mean [TS]

01:47:34   that still gets traffic which is weird [TS]

01:47:35   to me now but people were obsessed with [TS]

01:47:38   gadgets for the longest time in it it it [TS]

01:47:41   really did help you know it was a proven [TS]

01:47:45   way to get traffic it was a proven way [TS]

01:47:47   to get advertising the whole ecosystem [TS]

01:47:49   worked in some of these sites became [TS]

01:47:51   super highly trafficked and then I felt [TS]

01:47:55   like it shifted I felt like people were [TS]

01:47:56   less obsessed with it and I was like [TS]

01:47:57   well what would really happen to people [TS]

01:47:58   have enough gadgets like as that run out [TS]

01:48:01   are we replacing multi-property [TS]

01:48:03   single-purpose things with multi-purpose [TS]

01:48:04   things and it's slowly kind of Abdul and [TS]

01:48:07   I think I feel like for how to put a [TS]

01:48:08   really good cap on it the gadget [TS]

01:48:10   apocalypse is upon us is his head right [TS]

01:48:12   and it starts out remember gadgets and [TS]

01:48:15   thought [TS]

01:48:16   no this is a good concept is like we had [TS]

01:48:18   decades in which like they're all [TS]

01:48:20   transistor radios remember the big thing [TS]

01:48:22   to me was remember the flip how quickly [TS]

01:48:24   that lip died it was this giant thing [TS]

01:48:26   right and then everyone I'd never heard [TS]

01:48:29   of it [TS]

01:48:29   suddenly everyone has one and suddenly [TS]

01:48:31   they blame out it was incredible well [TS]

01:48:33   you know what I don't did I think that [TS]

01:48:36   part of this is that the smartphone is [TS]

01:48:39   the super gadget yeah right and you know [TS]

01:48:43   for example that's exactly what I'm [TS]

01:48:45   gonna flip is a got killed by a pic got [TS]

01:48:48   killed by the phone and I think a lot of [TS]

01:48:51   other things have to transistor radio I [TS]

01:48:53   mean it's everything right it's our [TS]

01:48:54   camera it's our Walkman it's our ipod [TS]

01:48:56   it's our it's our newspaper [TS]

01:48:59   it's you know HD radio satellite radio I [TS]

01:49:02   mean certainly do think is doing ok [TS]

01:49:03   I mean it's not small but it's not as I [TS]

01:49:05   think it had a bigger arc yeah but you [TS]

01:49:06   can get wife listen to XM honor of [TS]

01:49:08   iphone which is smart for the most part [TS]

01:49:10   they don't let you know how much the [TS]

01:49:11   satellites cost the launch their failure [TS]

01:49:13   with some other satellites and the [TS]

01:49:14   Boeing issue i mean there's satellites [TS]

01:49:16   are not a great way to run a business [TS]

01:49:18   like pebble that you know that this was [TS]

01:49:20   precipitated by pebble write about my 50 [TS]

01:49:24   and then saying well you know we don't [TS]

01:49:26   know how long we're not we're not gonna [TS]

01:49:27   make her ship anymore watching yeah they [TS]

01:49:28   didn't really something like they sold [TS]

01:49:30   it as a platform that's more than actual [TS]

01:49:32   higher [TS]

01:49:33   where exactly where it bought their [TS]

01:49:35   engineering and but whatever but it had [TS]

01:49:38   no food no future with with between [TS]

01:49:41   smartwatches from major vendors like [TS]

01:49:44   Apple and I phones and smartphones that [TS]

01:49:47   have more capabilities like what's going [TS]

01:49:48   to happen with Fitbit what's going to [TS]

01:49:50   happen with you know and then nesters a [TS]

01:49:53   lot of discussion about what happens to [TS]

01:49:55   nest [TS]

01:49:56   does it have a future exactly you see [TS]

01:49:59   this is a realist Ori I'd miss this and [TS]

01:50:03   I felt sort of feel for a terrible on 3d [TS]

01:50:05   robotics was founded by the drone [TS]

01:50:06   company personal drug company founded by [TS]

01:50:08   Chris Andersen and a partner and [TS]

01:50:10   Christians to be the editor-in-chief [TS]

01:50:11   wire in a few years ago he left wire to [TS]

01:50:14   take over full time they raised the [TS]

01:50:15   hundred million dollars in venture they [TS]

01:50:17   tried to produce a super-premium [TS]

01:50:21   drone that would be like if it's the [TS]

01:50:23   kind of move from kits and other stuff [TS]

01:50:25   to the super-premium drone there's a lot [TS]

01:50:27   of problems in production by the time [TS]

01:50:28   they got to kind of a point where things [TS]

01:50:30   were okay [TS]

01:50:31   china had basically caught up like sheep [TS]

01:50:33   production in China had overtaken their [TS]

01:50:37   ability to make something that what was [TS]

01:50:39   competitively priced and that's part of [TS]

01:50:41   the story so that is part of the issue [TS]

01:50:44   is anything you can make like you look [TS]

01:50:45   at next you're like well i can pay two [TS]

01:50:46   dollars i think it's still for the first [TS]

01:50:48   unit you can get IP cameras that don't [TS]

01:50:51   have the same cloud functionality or [TS]

01:50:52   different horrible security problems but [TS]

01:50:54   they cost like 30 bucks now you know and [TS]

01:50:56   they're slightly worse it's the not [TS]

01:50:59   quite good enough but not so horrible [TS]

01:51:00   that people just completely abandoned it [TS]

01:51:03   kind of thing and that's a you know [TS]

01:51:06   we've got that far less up a bunch of [TS]

01:51:08   stuff but it's a good time together like [TS]

01:51:09   MakerBot not really having the level the [TS]

01:51:12   end it's it's sort of sad because [TS]

01:51:16   gadgets kind of drove the entire [TS]

01:51:18   electronics and technology industry [TS]

01:51:19   we've always loved them but yeah you [TS]

01:51:22   know we saw this happen with with the [TS]

01:51:23   snapshot cameras stopped rolling cameras [TS]

01:51:25   are not dad's category but they might as [TS]

01:51:28   well be and even dls ours have been [TS]

01:51:30   haven't eaten away it's not this way to [TS]

01:51:33   you don't choose between a [TS]

01:51:34   five-thousand-dollar dlsr and a [TS]

01:51:37   smartphone but mirrorless cameras which [TS]

01:51:39   are much less expensive can be my also [TS]

01:51:42   things are going to eat away there so i [TS]

01:51:43   think another thing with the cameras is [TS]

01:51:45   in addition to be eaten by the phone at [TS]

01:51:47   the last summer at the high end they've [TS]

01:51:49   also reached a point where the rapid [TS]

01:51:51   increases in the digital quality FCO's [TS]

01:51:54   where your it's more like the film days [TS]

01:51:58   right like in a film era you could get [TS]

01:52:00   you could be like a serious even a [TS]

01:52:03   professional photographer and not buy [TS]

01:52:05   new equipment for long stretches of time [TS]

01:52:07   right you didn't really break because [TS]

01:52:09   number one the high-end stuff is usually [TS]

01:52:11   made built to last [TS]

01:52:12   really great build quality shoot in and [TS]

01:52:14   the technology stop changing it was the [TS]

01:52:15   same 35-millimeter film you're a good [TS]

01:52:18   lens was a good lens in it you know and [TS]

01:52:20   i think the digital I've sort of gotten [TS]

01:52:22   to that point to where we're even the [TS]

01:52:23   pros don't need to buy cameras is [TS]

01:52:25   frequently because they're not getting [TS]

01:52:26   as much bang for the buck bike upgrading [TS]

01:52:29   after two or three years [TS]

01:52:30   yeah you can't you can't i mean the [TS]

01:52:33   megapixel me [TS]

01:52:34   visit megapixel math right there's a [TS]

01:52:36   point at which beyond which a better [TS]

01:52:38   sensor bigger better sensor doesn't buy [TS]

01:52:40   you enough more to be worth upgrading [TS]

01:52:41   even if it is better [TS]

01:52:43   that's where electrons friend agrees [TS]

01:52:45   computational photography as a gimmick [TS]

01:52:47   there's a camera called the light l16 [TS]

01:52:50   that hasn't shipped yet that it's 16 [TS]

01:52:51   lenses on it and we'll let you create [TS]

01:52:53   like this 52 megapixel image with a tiny [TS]

01:52:57   format camera using computational [TS]

01:52:58   photography it's a very curious approach [TS]

01:53:00   is not gonna be a mass-market thing but [TS]

01:53:03   it's very interesting you know so but [TS]

01:53:05   that's I think that's the truth with [TS]

01:53:06   everything that GoPro just stumbled they [TS]

01:53:08   try to expand a different market and [TS]

01:53:09   gopro isn't the new flip I've been [TS]

01:53:11   saying this forever feels like they had [TS]

01:53:13   a great i mean they had a great run i [TS]

01:53:14   hope people make money because they had [TS]

01:53:16   a great run they had a niche product and [TS]

01:53:18   you know so i don't know i'm a little [TS]

01:53:20   sad because I grew up with gadgets and I [TS]

01:53:22   feel like I wasn't like a gadget you [TS]

01:53:25   know maybe I never really got into the [TS]

01:53:27   gadget blogging side of things that you [TS]

01:53:28   review products i Ken things like that [TS]

01:53:30   but you know that he was also point out [TS]

01:53:32   the kindle kindle the echo like these [TS]

01:53:34   kinds of the echo is a gadget killer at [TS]

01:53:37   some level because you don't imitate [TS]

01:53:39   other gadgets that's why i argit but [TS]

01:53:41   it's one model with the gods around one [TS]

01:53:43   giant company right that's is sort of [TS]

01:53:45   that and that is sort of the smartphone [TS]

01:53:47   as the gadget killer is that the [TS]

01:53:49   computers have gotten so good that meta [TS]

01:53:53   gadgets are killing is it you know like [TS]

01:53:56   a handful of really good smart computers [TS]

01:53:59   like an echo and a mac and iphone and [TS]

01:54:03   all of a sudden it they combined obviate [TS]

01:54:06   an entire drawer full of gadgets like [TS]

01:54:08   what else do you need you don't need a [TS]

01:54:09   music player to camp we don't use [TS]

01:54:11   snapshot go pro style camera and a voice [TS]

01:54:13   recorder you know but you get a case for [TS]

01:54:16   your camera is now your GoPro right like [TS]

01:54:19   I've seen a lot of that rat and uh and i [TS]

01:54:22   was testing some add-on lenses for [TS]

01:54:23   iphone 6 s's that'll work with a [TS]

01:54:25   different case for the iphone 7 iphone 7 [TS]

01:54:28   plus is just ridiculously good to like [TS]

01:54:32   the two line is really you have one [TS]

01:54:33   still advertise driver i have my review [TS]

01:54:35   unit here I i just took pictures in the [TS]

01:54:37   dark [TS]

01:54:39   outdoor snow it's night this it's cloudy [TS]

01:54:43   i'm in Seattle and I took pictures that [TS]

01:54:46   i think are absolutely beautiful with [TS]

01:54:47   the one [TS]

01:54:48   x lens i I'm like I'm like I can't get a [TS]

01:54:52   you know i have to i pulled out my [TS]

01:54:53   diving mirrorless camera without you [TS]

01:54:55   know it's like that when i bought it [TS]

01:54:57   like a thousand-dollar system i hope [TS]

01:54:58   pancake lens for this an affordable [TS]

01:54:59   pancake i went to the pictures with that [TS]

01:55:01   and you know the difference is not in [TS]

01:55:04   that kind of lighting i think it is that [TS]

01:55:05   the mirrorless i have i can push it to [TS]

01:55:08   25,600 SI where it's super granny so i [TS]

01:55:11   have to bump it down the quality of the [TS]

01:55:13   image for the iphone 7 plus and the [TS]

01:55:16   thousand-dollar mirrorless I'm like uh [TS]

01:55:18   you know the mirrorless other attributes [TS]

01:55:20   that are great but for that kind of shot [TS]

01:55:22   i'm like i don't think that it's not [TS]

01:55:23   really [TS]

01:55:24   yeah so I don't think it's the death of [TS]

01:55:25   gadgets but i think it's the death of [TS]

01:55:26   the a drawer full of gadgets or right so [TS]

01:55:31   yeah that's a good point that's a good [TS]

01:55:32   it is good column i'll put a link [TS]

01:55:33   internet his point was i think that like [TS]

01:55:35   amazon google apple and a handful of [TS]

01:55:38   their companies essentially now [TS]

01:55:39   dominates the berries for innovative [TS]

01:55:42   startup interesting niche things is not [TS]

01:55:44   dead but like at the moment it the what [TS]

01:55:47   those are going to be I think seems [TS]

01:55:48   pretty yeah i think i think it's andrew [TS]

01:55:51   to iive along thought that's about like [TS]

01:55:53   and publish a perfect example where the [TS]

01:55:55   hand this small team or maybe even the [TS]

01:55:58   one-person show i can still make it an [TS]

01:56:02   enormous effect with software but with [TS]

01:56:06   hardware at least electronic hardware [TS]

01:56:08   know and i think that's I really think [TS]

01:56:11   that pebble their first one was good [TS]

01:56:14   enough to be their first one but their [TS]

01:56:17   improvements or subsequent movements [TS]

01:56:19   were way too little too late that way [TS]

01:56:22   too slow pace they needed knowledge [TS]

01:56:24   better screens and much better [TS]

01:56:25   everything much quicker and I think I [TS]

01:56:29   don't even know that it was a failure i [TS]

01:56:30   think it you know in terms of I don't [TS]

01:56:32   know that that a team that small could [TS]

01:56:33   have done better [TS]

01:56:34   like you'd almost have to be apples or [TS]

01:56:36   Amazon or Google size 22 do stuff like [TS]

01:56:39   that i think you're right in the pebble [TS]

01:56:40   hit this point when the finger at best i [TS]

01:56:43   think you said was notifications after [TS]

01:56:45   commodity else but it couldn't integrate [TS]

01:56:47   well enough right with everything and [TS]

01:56:48   that didn't change because I less didn't [TS]

01:56:51   change right now and my personal take on [TS]

01:56:52   your notifications the thing that killed [TS]

01:56:54   it for me above and beyond the display [TS]

01:56:56   was that i found their vibrate they're [TS]

01:56:59   vibrating engine for the notifications [TS]

01:57:00   to be physically [TS]

01:57:01   unpleasant oh my gosh well and obviously [TS]

01:57:04   other people disagree because i have [TS]

01:57:05   friends you know like Jason's now and my [TS]

01:57:07   front pocket officers who were there [TS]

01:57:09   pebble watches or maybe even still [TS]

01:57:10   working i don't know but warm for a long [TS]

01:57:12   time but i found it to be unpleasant it [TS]

01:57:14   was way too much of a it just it just [TS]

01:57:16   wasn't a very pleasing haptic feedback [TS]

01:57:18   and it was the best feature of the watch [TS]

01:57:20   had and so it made me dread taking [TS]

01:57:23   advantage of the best VII didn't want [TS]

01:57:25   any notifications because i found it to [TS]

01:57:26   be unpleasant [TS]

01:57:27   so all I don't know anyway I i have got [TS]

01:57:33   to go we gotta wrap it up the spoon just [TS]

01:57:36   hit the two-hour mark so that's a show I [TS]

01:57:38   Glenn FGL en n two ends you get a second [TS]

01:57:43   end for free [TS]

01:57:44   Glenn half on Twitter we're asking [TS]

01:57:47   people find find your uh I want a lot at [TS]

01:57:50   macworld some some days the poor folks [TS]

01:57:52   back with some days because of all the [TS]

01:57:54   help questions I write all that you may [TS]

01:57:57   see too much of it now [TS]

01:57:58   macworld calm and my think that's [TS]

01:58:02   probably the best places right now to [TS]

01:58:03   find I point out too by the way we [TS]

01:58:06   didn't cover this very briefly i do the [TS]

01:58:07   story up today if you have an apple [TS]

01:58:09   cinema display with displayport not an [TS]

01:58:11   apple thunderbolt display looks like [TS]

01:58:13   there may be some solutions coming one [TS]

01:58:16   person found this amazing three cable [TS]

01:58:18   solution to use with a macbook pro it's [TS]

01:58:20   like it's like an adapter a cable and an [TS]

01:58:23   inline coupler and it works and that [TS]

01:58:25   cause like 30 bucks but there are some [TS]

01:58:27   adapters coming i know tons of people [TS]

01:58:29   keep asking about that that would come [TS]

01:58:30   up at macworld about it and if you have [TS]

01:58:33   one of those displays and your USBC [TS]

01:58:34   wonderful three concern is real then [TS]

01:58:36   look at that with that it's a show [TS]

01:58:40   Thank You Glenn thank you so much [TS]