The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► what an amazing technology indoor [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► plumbing is yet you're Steven Johnson [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► fan right [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► yes yes so you know his book ghost map [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► from several years ago decade ago 2006 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► it was about the the fellow who [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► basically invented epidemiology yeah and [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► but it also has a really long discussion [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► about how before I mean there's indoor [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► plumbing then this is actually when we [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► had generated indoor plumbing in cities [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► how what happened to all the effluvia [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► where'd it go [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► are all these specialized professions to [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► deal with like night soil and other [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► types of there were various products and [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► various people his professions were to [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► handle the products of society and its [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► really incredible like that like the [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► book is great that's about sort of how [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► empirical science becomes a thing that [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► we then start to rely on it changes the [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► nature of medicine and health but it's [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► also like wow there are a lot of people [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► employed dealing with shit in London I [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► mean you have to you have to be well [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► it's if you think about it it's not just [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► I I at first thought it often just seems [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► like wow that would be inconvenient but [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► but the volume right that it oh man this [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► smells right like it's like once a year [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► so i end up having to go in like a [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► port-a-potty for some reason or another [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► you know i'm at some sort of event where [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► you've got to go in a porta potty and [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► port-a-potty technology i think has it [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► been enhanced significant degree where [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► where where there's that blue stuff [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► that's in the hole that I think does [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► take care of an awful lot of the [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► unpleasant odors of just releasing your [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► your waist into all literally just like [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► a big bucket the tent cabin to cabin tip [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► ad campaign recently and experience more [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► sort of filled the train style [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► right but that was different it always [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► occurs to me that that was what going to [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► the bathroom was like every single time [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► i went to the bathroom [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► oh yeah I try to think like when we [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► think about the past we think about [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► inconveniences and I think about horses [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► and money streets and all that like that [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► we watching westworld just finished up I [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► i have watched westworld then this [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► the series is extraordinary I think the [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► finale is great i really really like [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► that we have an episode coming out on [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► the incomparable about the whole with [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► awful spoilers and but you know that's [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► the vision of the West but it's really [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► neat and clean so that you're shooting [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► each other and there's fornication and [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► so forth but there is no horse manure on [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► the streets of Rascals cleaned up have [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► often thought the thing that we can't [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► replicate we think about the past is the [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► smell right and then and that constant [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► mass like everything was dirty and [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► everything smelled until like 1910 or 89 [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► hear something like that and then [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► started to improve gradually and then by [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► the nineteen-thirties cities smelled a [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► lot less and by the fifties it was sort [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► of like it things smelled something was [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► terribly terribly wrong right I've heard [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► maybe was even in the steven johnson [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► book but I it now it makes sense but [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► like it didn't like the late at the turn [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► of the last century the streets of major [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► cities like new york and philadelphia in [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► London were just it ever just curb to [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► curb horseshit [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► this isn't fixing it was just the [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► streets were just paved with a layer of [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► horseshit because there was no way to [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► keep up with her [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► john is a metaphor for this year it [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► could be i sort of feel like that's what [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► we're talking about one thing with [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► another but I did think that westworld I [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► i thought that it was weird that the [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► that they never addressed that the sort [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► of the roughing it aspects of I mean I [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► did this is not a spoiler the basic [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► concept of the show is not a spoiler [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► that it's at some point in the future [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► there's like a theme park where people [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► go and for a lot of money you get to [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► pretend to live in the Old West for a [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► couple of days and there's action and [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► adventure that you can take part it but [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► it's yet nobody mentions that you know [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► you gotta go shit in and out [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► yeah it's pretty it's a very it's clean [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► i mean there's there's a lot of there's [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► some lot of certain bodily fluids mostly [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► blood but there's no other kinds of [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► bodily fluids [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► yeah there's a sense of responsibility [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► thing like there's things you can't [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► those things you can't do and talk about [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► even on HBO [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► apparently which is good but yeah it was [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► kind of supposed to be a theme park so [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► for all we know [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► hidden in the bushes were like you know [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► little parties that broke the spirit but [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► I i think yeah I think that's the thing [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► that people don't get people who can't [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► know about this of course because they [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► deal with that you go in the woods your [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► hunter you like to go to camp and you're [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► in areas that have no facilities at all [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► you know but most of us do not have to [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► deal with the basic human reality is [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► that people did for billions of years or [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► hundreds of millions of years from say [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► alright and IA it's it's getting cold in [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► Philadelphia it's it's very cold today I [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► mean I'm not quite sure how cold but it [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► certainly felt cold when i was outside [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► and it's like a match but i had to go [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► outside every time to take a leak man we [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► had a introduce snow in seattle which is [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► just no cops no apocalypse for us so we [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► strapped down not getting in that mostly [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► melted but they start the school's two [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► hours late because the bus routes be [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► very steep hills so whenever it snows [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► they don't can't really send the buses [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► up there on snow routes and it's sort of [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► a safety for that rather than like we're [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► on the streets are impassable so they [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► don't want to have having bus plunges [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► not a headline you want to see bad did [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► you ever watch deadwood I didn't I heard [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► it was fantastic i think it came out [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► when i had small children so I never [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► really got when you have to have that [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► was on HBO wasn't that was on HBO [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► thousand 4 2016 mr. i bought HBO now i'm [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► subscribing specifically to watch [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► westworld so in those days I would have [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► to pay the cable thing you can probably [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► get did would then right i think that [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► the helio has keeps most of the road [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► shows in there [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► yeah it I this it's you have to know [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► this going idea i thought was a [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► marvelous show i really loved it i was a [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► big fan was created by a guy named david [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► milch who was i guessed it was like [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► before people called showrunner show her [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► but he was the guy behind NYPD Blue [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► which was back in the nineties probably [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► the first serious TV show that I ever [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► really fell in love with and it was [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► weird because it was a network show and [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► I guess it was fairly cheap to produce [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► and it went on forever and ever [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► long past when it was and I kept [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► watching because i liked it enough but [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► it's sort of my pd blue sort of ended [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► with a whisper because it just told ya [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► that was the worst thing resist having [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► it was on for like 10 years or something [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► like that but but it was a great show [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► and still had you know there was enough [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► good in of characters to you know make [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► the direct couple of episodes of season [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► that were always good but it was it was [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► kind of our end it on that was on ABC [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► and those ABC shows had to do like 22 [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► shows a year which is too much like part [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► of the secret of the modern resident RR [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► renaissance in like movie quality TV [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► shows is that they only do like 10 [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► episodes at a time and sometimes not [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► even once a year might take 18 months to [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► get the next ten episodes out [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► mm there's a sort of quality instead of [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► quantity aspect to these HBO's and that [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► only works season 2 of Westworld is [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► coming out in 2018 right but although i [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► think is there a little sequential thing [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► like they sort of they played a little [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► by ear i don't know when they got the [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► renewal request but I'm ready westworld [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► has been i think one of the most popular [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► shows i'm sure games the throne swamp [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► set but they I think they are okay at [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► HBO they're very good about funding [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► things with no strings attached to her [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► and I keep reading about other such a [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► they're amazing organization by just [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► saying they don't throw money at [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► something but they trust around they [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► trust people right and but they don't [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► think they gave them the dollars for [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► season two are really fully committed [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► until is underway in the showrunners [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► with Nolan enjoy your saying we need [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► time to do this right there to stop [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► production twice to do some will be [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► truly I think once was kind of tool up [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► in the other was to sort of rejigger [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► because they realized it'd gotten some [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► mechanics wrong and they want to fix [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► those which is admirable and they had [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► the freedom to do that which is [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► incredible in areas on the narrative [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► mechanics [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► that's right what do you want some [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► mechanics oh well I think world [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► mechanics apparently they built ugly [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► built the world we need it's really [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► clear watching the whole season [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► that they really understood what it was [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► about they had an argument a circle they [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► had there are time bombs in episode one [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► that pay off in 10 and remember to the [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► interim so I trust them having watched [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► it but i think they had the freedom to [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► go back and say you know we thought the [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► world was going to work i mean this is [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► what they said something along the lines [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► we thought this is how the world worked [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► and then we realized that changed by [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► episodes and he was 13 when he was [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► really more they had elements that were [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► now wrong inside their ecosystem so they [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► reshot and fix them so they're [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► consistent and I'm thinking how [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► wonderful they did that had the time to [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► do it that's the conscientious they had [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► an incredible thing and I'm sure the [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► show benefited from xsellize especially [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► with the level of attention i can you [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► imagine episode 5 years like not well [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► excuse me episode 3 they bled from the [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► left turn around we know that's not true [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► in West world [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► yeah i'm actually anyway [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► west of the thing about Deadwood to go [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► back one digression was that Deadwood [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► roundup getting cancelled before and [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► they didn't even have time to give it a [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► proper like finals know so it's just [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► sort of ends so it's I want to warn [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► anybody before they get into it that [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► it's a very dissatisfying ending [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► it's like you don't don't go into it [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► looking for any kind of complete loop on [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► any other characters or anything you [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► just kind of have to take it for what it [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► is but anyway [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► deadwood was a Western took place in [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► based on real real people actually in [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► Deadwood South Dakota and it was a bit [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► was probably with the grittiest Western [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► I've ever seen where there was some shit [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► on that streets you know and and they [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► showed people you know urinating out in [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► the middle of the street and stuff like [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► that and a baroque swearing I heard her [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► just all this incredible eloquent yeah [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► yeah it's that it's probably the [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► greatest the Al Swearengen is based on a [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► real character like a real person but it [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► was it's gross the filter its map I've [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► ever heard his poetry man [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► uh so i guess i don't spoil westward you [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► can't can't really talk details about [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► anything but i generally I think I [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► thought it was aight i really enjoyed it [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► a lot and i'm actually up to episode [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► there's 10 episodes in the season i'm [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► actually up to episode 3 rewatching it [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► oh that's good i haven't gone back and [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► watched some episodes twice when they [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► came out and I haven't really watched [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► the whole thing [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► Kelly came on to enter and up Don [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► melitón have a podcast actually called [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► was a hello from the uncanny valley it's [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► now in the comfortable network but [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► they've done they did episodes they [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► started a little late [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► they did a bunch of episodes about the [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► show and now the way to rewatch and do [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► more episodes about it because we got a [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► whole year to kill so they'll be doing [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► more but it's it's one of those things [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► like the usual suspects where when you [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► re watch it and you know future plot [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► twists and then you watch and you're [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► like oh I totally set that up it's there [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► so many like moments like that in the [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► first few episodes that play completely [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► differently just throwaway lines and [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► it's it's all of a sudden it I first [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► time watching it you didn't even notice [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► the line of dialogue but then the second [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► time it gives you chills [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► it's like whoa that's creepy because you [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► know they have that you didn't know them [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► it's that layering it's like I think you [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► can tell when something this is always [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► my thing I actually feel this way about [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► software to as you can tell with stuff [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► is rich and deep when people go back and [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► it works it works in literature it works [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► in filmed entertainment it works in [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► software there's the discovery and [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► there's the richness so you go and you [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► look at something and you find out that [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► what you thought was a certain depth is [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► deeper and deeper because they went they [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► later they were back around around [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► around and you know you can overworked [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► staff to like a bad cooking a bad done [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► when you're baking but if it's done [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► right the richness kind of like comes up [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► from the bottom and the more you pay [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► attention the Richer it becomes and what [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► do you think you would like to like if [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► you were in that future would you like [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► to go on vacation to westworld it's a [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► great question because right this is the [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► you know are you William or are you [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► I don't give any spoilers away are you [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► another character in the show other [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► makers like I don't know that I would [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► because I think this is the i think [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► people have different amounts of [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► dopamine in the brain right there are [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► different ways of expressing to [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► information and and other chemicals that [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► give us happiness and there's people who [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► get great joy in their life out of like [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► doing ice cliff climbing right and I [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► don't need that I had this kind of [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► natural brain chemistry and Barry [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► fortunate i'm where i think i am not far [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► off the night when I have a success in [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► my life I'm doing something that I [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► really enjoy doing and feeling very good [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► about my performance doing it I think I [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► achieve maybe ninety percent of ice [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► cliff climbing I don't really need that [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► extra ten percent if you need some [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► people it's not even thrill-seekers it's [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► more like a way to achieve a certain [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► state of like advanced happiness [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► requires doing something extreme and I [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► think West world is that it's a great [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► representation of that because you know [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► right now that used to be something like [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► you know just to say that he will go to [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► Thailand or they go to other places [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► where there was a you know demi-monde or [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► really off-the-grid kind of quality and [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► they can pay for anything they want they [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► can do things they might be able to harm [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► other people that go to bare-knuckle [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► fighting and not worse [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► westworld is kind of encapsulation is [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► like a cleaned-up version of it where [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► you know it's not giving anything away [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► to say that there are robots called [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► hosts you look very very human or [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► Android they're indistinguishable [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► essentially and you can do stuff to [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► android doesn't count right here in this [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► other place it's you know what happens [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► when schools stays in West world and i [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► don't think i have that desire to i like [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► the idea of being able to step outside [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► myself into a different time if i was [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► going to explore like something like [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► Colonial Williamsburg that was westworld [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► quality and are part of the story that [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► sounds interesting but i don't really [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► have the desire to leap into a less [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► controlled environment there's actually [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► a series of books called starts with the [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► many-colored land by Mary are seven and [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► lemay I'm blanking on the name [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► outstanding Pia I it's a future where [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► again this isn't a spoiler could this [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► explain the first few pages the it's a [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► future beyond ours which things are much [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► more advanced and totally civilized and [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► a small collective community of [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► different species that interact very [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► well and it's very boring and there's no [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► risk and people are definitely boring [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► and someone discovers a tiny portal to [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► the past it's a one-way portal takes you [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► six million years into the police teen I [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► think and the idea is that when you walk [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► through it you'll never come back [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► there's no way to return and so a lot of [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► people they actually government tries to [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► repress it then they set it up is kind [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► of an exile thing people who really want [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► a totally uncontrolled experience [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► they're not allowed to take the [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► technology back just their own knowledge [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► and they go there and it was it's [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► actually a really beautiful exploration [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► that same kind of thing like West world [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► is that like all right I want to go [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► someplace where the normal rules don't [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► apply but there are no consequences so [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► Julian me I'm sorry surname I would just [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► go to West world has my question do you [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► want the west-world experience I it's a [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► very close call for me I i would note no [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► joking i have no desire to have a sexual [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► intercourse with an android no matter [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► how realistic for the same reason that [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► because it if if they're not super [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► realistic it's gross and if they're [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► indistinguishable from humans it's [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► indistinguishable from cheating on your [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► wife [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► exactly i don't agree I I know I so [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► they're going back to have sex with a [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► robot Booker's now I probably look for [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► coming through right but but they're [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► very nice so I might I might chat them [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► up at the bar because they're very [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► they're all very good talkers and i [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► would i would enjoy having a drink with [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► Maeve but that part now I you know [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► here's a secret i've read vibrating [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► accounts of sex workers sex workers say [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► they spend a lot of time talking to [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► their clients there there are some sex [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► work sex work to say most of the [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► regulars they don't actually have any [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► form of sexual contact with them they [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► just need somebody they can pay to talk [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► to and they want to go to a therapist [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► and I have a long-term relationship with [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► that's that's the case so that would be [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► totally within the scope I think of the [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► wonderful design [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► yeah let go and talk to an intelligent [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► robot about whatever with the whole [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► spark right and i would I like to go [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► back and have like an adventure where I [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► to go out with the crew and and try to [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► catch a bandit and you know shoot him [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► dead [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► knowing that you know that if i get shot [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► it's more like getting hit by a [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► paintball type thing I maybe I think [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► when I was younger definitely because I [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► used to you know I was never serious [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► about it but I've played paintball a [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► couple of times and had fun doing it and [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► I don't know that I at age 43 I don't [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► know my butt my my time for stuff like [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► that is the slave / skydiving but it [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► also seems like there's other people [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► there who are just sort of exploring [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► right remember the family that that [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► there was a black family with that small [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► child who met Dolores down by the river [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► one yeah yeah so it seems like there are [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► people who go there not to do for any [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► kind of debauchery but just you know [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► like a family vacation like let's go [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► right i do think i think that it's a [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► very thoughtful show I there were I I I [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► regretted it to some degree where I [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► started reading the whole thing the [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► wrap-up shows that go into detail and [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► people taking screen captures there was [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► one point where they have these ipad [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► like devices which I think we're pretty [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► well done there [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► they're very thin but not quite see [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► through but they also are like try [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► faults like a trifold wallet so they [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► kind of fold oh yeah they fold up to be [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► like a maybe like a like an iphone plus [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► type thing and then you can unfold it [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► twice and get more of an ipad style [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► thing and somebody took a screen capture [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► at one point of one of them in it that [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► that seem to say that the show takes [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► place in 21 the 21 fifties or 2500 or [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► something attention that testing for [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► 2050 20 sounds more reasonable because [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► well I don't even oh that's great 50 [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► because you're looking at what the [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► culture is of the employees the players [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► are really sequestered at the park they [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► seem that we all live there that's where [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► they do you know they don't seem to go [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► anywhere [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► alright I think that I don't know the [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► screenshot really indicates I don't know [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► you know I think they do pay attention [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► to details who knows if that's right but [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► I think gut feeling is that when the [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► show it it clear [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► isn't like super far in the future but [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► it's clearly significantly beyond where [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► we are [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► yeah i like the computers I like the [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► presentation of technology in it and oh [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► you know the thing that I think is the [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► best telling detail they got right is [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► the way Anthony Hopkins controls [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► androids that you love that it's all [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► yeah he does one finger when he just [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► says that's enough now Andy to say the [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► normal tone of voice is like a serious [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► thing he doesn't have to say android 75 [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► halls action and proceeded to program 5b [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► which is what I feel like everything in [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► the nineteen seventies would have been I [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► saw a funny cartoon on Twitter the other [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► day where somebody is just somebody was [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► talking to somebody else and they didn't [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► like where the person was going and they [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► just said analysis shannon woodward who [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► is one of the cast members the show I [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► follow on twitter and I'd without giving [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► any spoilers the one of the interesting [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► things in the show is you get to the end [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► of season one you're like whatever [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► happened to like did they really so [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► there's people we don't know who has [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► contracts for season 2 it there are [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► clearly things planted that make it [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► clear and if you go there's a westworld [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► a site for de los the parent company of [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► his last world and there's details being [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► revealed like they must have a one-year [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► plus social media like marketing plan [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► because they are already like leaking [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► stop and you have to go through it's [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► like a little online adventure stuff and [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► down so Shannon Woodward posted this [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► very funny thing she plays the LC in the [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► shows what the behavioral technicians [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► works directly for one of my favorite [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► caring person [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► yeah she's great she's great and I you [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► know I get no spoilers I loved her early [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► in the season and she's also very [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► righteous person on Twitter so great to [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► follow because she's very an active in [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► promoting firm you know things like [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► justice equality but she treated [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► something last night she said my dad who [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► was real programmer was excited to see [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► how Siri had been updated [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► he said to Siri analysis and Cirie [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► dumped out a bunch of hacks and her [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► father I think her father recognized it [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► for what you see what to read it it's um [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► único text and if you look it up it's a [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► bunch of emoji that relate to the show [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► really yeah if you if you say to siri if [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► you say [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► you can ask your questions that are sort [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► of Westworld is related and she will [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► respond and say things like that doesn't [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► look like anything to me huh [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► so they updated it right away I think I [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► don't know what happened earlier with [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► people reporting on an app to the finale [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► the Don mountain was saying probably [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► westworld fan the super-pan sort of [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► somewhere in this area team adding more [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► responses but the the heck the [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► hexadecimal emoji code was pretty good i [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► looked at one of the monastery who said [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► series and getting back [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► it's great one of them was just like a [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► cactus I didn't look up all them when i [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► looked up one let me take a break and [TS]

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00:22:44 ◼   ► huge thing like it's the mailchimp has [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► grown so far beyond just like email [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► newsletters the store stuff is amazing I [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► can't get into the details in the [TS]

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00:22:54 ◼   ► stuff and they really hook up to a lot [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► of the main ecommerce platforms that are [TS]

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00:23:03 ◼   ► people who opt in to like a an email [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► thing from you is based on what the [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► people have bought and opted into not [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► like a creepy type thing but send them [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► emails that they might actually want to [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► get with stuff they might actually want [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► to buy it is super like there's like a [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► renaissance in email newsletters because [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► i think you know it back in the day [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► people signed up for everything was [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► going through email because it was like [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► the first way people got on the internet [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► and then all of a sudden everybody [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► realized i'm getting way too many emails [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► for stuff that I don't want and it kind [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► of got a bad rap but then it's like [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► water seeks its own level and I I feel [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► like there is a right amount and there [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► are a lot of newsletters fair amount [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► that i sign up for that I love and I'm [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► happy every time I see him in my inbox I [TS]

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00:25:28 ◼   ► because it was the first time at the the [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► place where we always have it now in San [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► Francisco place called mezzanine [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► oh yeah and we had a minimum and it [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► seemed to easily hit the first year we [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► did that we didn't hit the minimum for [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► the bar because people i think and i [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► think what happened was that I said that [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► it's an open barn in and it's you know [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► free but I didn't emphasize enough that [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► seriously drink as much as you while I [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► go have a second or third hole [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► I think that's sweet i think the reserve [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► right people were like well have one but [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► I don't want to I don't want to stick [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► group with a big tab but it was [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► we actually didn't reach the middle so [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► ever since I always tell that story I've [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► been to the audience you know dead like [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► seriously drinking and we've we've never [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► had problems hitting the minimum that's [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► that's pretty that's the door that is a [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► very lovely audience when you have to [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► encourage them to spend right you have [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► to use the money that sponsors and they [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► have different tiers of booze like you [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► could just do beer beer and wine you can [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► you know it you know you could do it but [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► I get the top-shelf booze you know like [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► the name brand you know vodka and stuff [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► like that like instead of you know Uncle [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► Joe's you know Uncle Joe's russian [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► special get up i got ad say you know but [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► everyone if it's back there [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► it's supposed to be there as much of it [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► as you want and MailChimp will just pick [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► it up [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► it's very easy for me to be generous to [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► uncle drew the look at the fires bathtub [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► gin money will buy well it's funny [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► though it's gotten the other way around [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► now like there's it's like I think when [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► we were kids like like if the gym was [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► made locally it's like watch out you [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► know it's like a better schedule a trip [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► to the eye doctor because you may go [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► blind [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► whereas now there are so many craft [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► distilleries and I can't even tell you i [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► was just looking the other day there's a [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► section in the liquor store here where [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► it's like made in Pennsylvania and [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► there's so many so many genes being made [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► in Pennsylvania and they all have like [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► these amazingly exquisite design labels [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► you know they all look excellent it's [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► not you know like the local stuff is [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► expensive now it's not it's not me i had [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► a friend who wanted to start years ago [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► like it was it almost 20 years ago he [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► wanted to start a local craft distillery [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► as a distill pub no such thing existed [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► in washington state had been a brewer [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► had run you know brewpubs and worked in [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► in bruges had been outdone the craft [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► thing he was totally capable of in the [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► state to notify sick that he was trying [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► to buy this bar in the georgetown area [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► in seattle which is this little weird [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► spot that bars operated during [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► Prohibition that was very weird [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► exception or exclusion or scam or [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► something so it's like the longest [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► operating bar in North continuously [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► operating bar in north america he was [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► almost it was going to try to buy it [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► with investors [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► turn it to the state's first still [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► probably one of the first ones in the [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► country i think maybe at the time and [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► they couldn't pull it off because no one [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► had a license it but now it's like I [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► don't know if you had another are still [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► parts I've seen places I don't they they [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► call it so you still plan to stop the [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► right word but I know you mean place the [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► unix command still pub but you have any [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► place that are doing like certain kinds [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► of liquor on site which is which is [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► going it's really cool it's like you [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► know this is we're trying we we sort of [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► Westworld is indicative this right there [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► are things about the 19th century that [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► we idealize and we'd like the neat clean [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► cool component of it because it seems [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► more real to us [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► yeah it's just another one of those [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► little things that makes me feel like I [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► was born at the right time I i have off [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► i don't know i may be at its maybe it's [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► my personality where if whenever I had [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► been born whether it was the future or [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► further in the pass side it just I would [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► have I have a personality type or i [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► would think i was born at the right time [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► but just little things like the fact [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► that guy was around as a kid when [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► computers were super simple and you can [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► totally understand in the entirety of [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► how the computer worked as i get a [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► twelve-year-old i love that like there's [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► a part of me that is a little jealous [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► that like my son is you know growing up [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► in a world where you know at the age of [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► twelve he's got a macbook pro I mean [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► what would have been very impressive to [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► 12 year old John Gruber but I feel like [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► it was right for me that it was you know [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► that I was clacking away on an apple 2e [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► at school you know that my [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► twelve-year-old is like programming in [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► JavaScript and and other stuff and I'm [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► like you know it well I was like [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► soldering rs-232c ports on my no 8k [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► computer so i feel bad i mean i'll open [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► up a computer to change something out [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► the kids freak out slightly can you [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► really do that i'm not like it's illegal [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► but more like like what that breaking [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► I'm like no no you can actually fix [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► things you could sort of but is it in [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► terms of consumable beverages [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► I I like to drink coffee but I like [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► really really really good coffee and a [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► generation ago that there was no sense [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► they I mean out and realized there were [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► some people who kept the art of it alive [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► but as a mass-market product you know [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► people went into the supermarket and [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► bought a canon Maxwell that I think is [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► the best time in history alive for [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► coffee because for most of copies [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► history it was not made well except in [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► limited places if you get the beans and [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► it's all there you go being right just [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► the right spot at the right time but [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► when we were kids the coffee that are [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► their strengths wasn't even made out of [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► our average a radical beans it was all [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► good it's made out of steel doesn't even [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► really coffee it was made out of some [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► other like weird cheeping it with a [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► chicory basis of some tylenol there's [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► some difference [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► yeah I could ask Marco I'm sure use a [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► brown crud melted brown crayons and [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► water there's this flavor of the basic [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► story is that good coffee from a radical [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► beans needs a certain kind of climate [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► and a certain type of atmosphere and [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► that's why tends to grow at the top of [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► mountains and in certain you know [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► regions of the world where the [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► temperatures right here it is very [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► particular about where it will go well [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► and then there's another type of coffee [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► bean that will grow and anywhere and [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► that's like what the copy of like the [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► late twentieth you know this post world [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► war two 20th century America was was [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► made out of because it was super cheap [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► the copy cycle so funny to is our mutual [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► friend talks this Tony connects the he i [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► met him first thing we talked about this [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► and for some episode before but I'm yes [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► I think that isn't or I met him when he [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► was the head Brewster at a local coffee [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► shop that started up that was trying to [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► be more of a community coffee shop again [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► they're trying to reclaim from Wi-Fi [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► already and I want my first copying in [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► the back of that store was reporting the [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► story and then Tony left and you know [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► kind of traveled a bunch they started [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► his own brand that gets old to blue [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► bottle yeah and then you know and he [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► sees candies kicking around doing stuff [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► but I'm like now cupping is like such a [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► standard thing like its a thing people [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► expect like that the sophistication even [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► of 2004 now seems almost queen and when [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► howard schultz just announced that he [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► was stepping down to see you at [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► starbucks he did it at the 15 avenue [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► between avenue roasting place which is [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► starbucks new model for a place that is [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► like a roasting center with couplings [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► I high-end copies and the whole bit like [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► it's now a thing they're commercializing [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► pushing out as a no high-end experience [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► as a no repeatable deal and that's you [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► know that's already we're at so what's [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► the next refined like there's got to be [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► like 10 years from now we're looking at [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► that is known as course in quicktime [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► sure and you know and then in the [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► evening hours I i enjoy the occasional [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► adult beverage and it's theirs and never [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► been a better time I mean and it's if [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► you like beer like like when my dad was [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► my age they don't have the only beer [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► that there was the mass-market pilsners [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► you know that's the way all tasted the [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► same ya left in a small town someplace [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► for people did you know the home brewing [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► thing was was starting up but those were [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► usually there you know the quirky know [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► what this is there's never been there's [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► never been a better time to have a [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► sophisticated palate probably in the [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► history of the world in terms of this [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► ties into technology so you know how [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► Marc Andreessen other people have pushed [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► these charts that shows how everyone has [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► the kind of stuff that previous [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► generations would have dreamed of [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► everyone has a TV everyone has a DVD lot [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► of people have phones even if they're [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► like living below the poverty line they [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► have a cell phone on a pay-as-you-go [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► plan like all of these certain signs of [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► material success but this is the point [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► that people made about the Apple phone [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► you have made this point here / over [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► again is the iphone is the same price no [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► matter how rich or poor you are and I [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► think the beverage think also the same [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► thing you can get I mean obviously you [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► can spend a lot of money and beverages [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► but you can spend a few dollars for a [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► drink let's say five ten dollars for a [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► drink and get one of the finest drinks [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► ever made in human history [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► now you can go up from there you can [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► spend $15 for civet poop coffee or [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► whatever for a couple of in and million [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► dollars for champagne but this lower [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► tier generally accessible even if it's a [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► special occasion price is achievable by [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► like most of humanity in the developed [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► world yeah it's amazing and you know i [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► think that there was [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► up i I don't know you know I think there [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► was sort of a pride in post-world War to [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► America at the sort of homogenate shin [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► of Colton and it seemed right like when [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► my grandfather was a young man all the [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► beer came from local breweries you know [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► every town of a certain you know every [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► time with 10 to 15,000 people had a [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► brewery that made the beer for the town [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► and then in my dad's generation it you [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► know the the analyzer bushes and the [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► cores it became such a thing and and you [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► know TV rammed this home that a no you [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► didn't drink like you know Philadelphia [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► beer you drank you know the same [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► Budweiser that everybody drank during [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► American beer you know but it was off [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► all bland all watered down for they that [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► taste right italic metallic taste in it [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► you know and and the the craft brewing [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► revolution certainly started you know I [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► was in college in the late nineties it [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► had already started but it was still [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► obscure and so like when you go to [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► parties if they had beer it was just you [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► know that just cheap plan stuff so I [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► just thought I well I don't like beer [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► like crazy hits which is crazy in [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► hindsight because I love beer but I love [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► very particular kind of beer and and i [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► just also think that it's such a a [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► wonderful world right now for somebody [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► who truly is obsessive about something [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► like that like tonks and that he can [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► just go and start his own coffee company [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► like we're like in the 1960s that that's [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► not how are infeasible to be like [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► Procter & Gamble you know you need it [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► was like a billion-dollar thing you know [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► you did he couldn't there was no way for [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► somebody you know like two people you [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► know to start a business where we're [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► going to meet you know sent coffee [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► around the the world by mail order [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► there's a great book by editor at work [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► with four years at the economist is now [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► the deputy deputy editor at Tom Standage [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► called history of the world in six [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► classes it's um maybe like a decade old [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► now and he looks at it's a beer spirits [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► coffee tier-1 there's like sacramental [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► 60 of t its team coffee beer and spirits [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► and printed to but it's it's basically a [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► history of how civilization advanced the [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► rue the perpetuation of certain kinds of [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► drinks behind a mask but a history of [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► the world in six classes at six [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► different things but like tea is an [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► amazing thing because its antibacterial [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► properties and it's you boil the water [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► to drink it it replaced the small beer [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► which is like a very low alcohol beer [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► that was drunk that is given out to pack [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► your workers in England and other places [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► they were given a certain quantity of [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► beer to drink every day was very low [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► alcohol but they were always mildly you [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► know inebriated me it was a healthful [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► beverage right and it's revolutionized [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► factories because people over focuses [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► the mind is obviously but people are [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► living in places with the add water [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► supplies you know whatever sort of [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► improved health it was healthy was any [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► bacterial and it didn't get you drunk [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► and so became the beverage of temperance [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► and so forth and anyway just it's a [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► lovely book because he argues and very [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► persuasively that certain like the [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► advancement of society isn't it's not [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► that we got T because we are certain [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► point in civilization was possible to [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► have like a global supply chain [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► it's more like tea actually influence [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► the industrial revolutions significantly [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► which is cool person I i have long I I [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► it's one of those things where I've [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► never really done the deep dive but I i [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► will at some point and get a couple of [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► find a couple of good books on it and [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► and and really go deep on it but I you [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► know I have a fascination with the [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► prohibition in the United States [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► oh yeah because it's it's another one of [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► those things where it happened it [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► seeming and I knew that basic years of [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► when it happened you know around [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► nineteen twenty or so and it only lasted [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► about 12 years and you know led to the [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► rise of you know gangsters who run booze [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► into the cities and Al Capone mob but [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► it's as a kid it just seemed like well [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► that was a long time ago and it's over [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► but then a when you become an adult and [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► you realize just how did you know that [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► then a hundred years ago really isn't [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► that long right in some ways [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► and you it just fascinates me like how [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► in the world did making alcohol illegal [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► ever gain popular support that it would [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► that they pass a constitutional [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► amendment like to pass a constitutional [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► amendment something has to be [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► overwhelmingly popular like you know [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► what it was it was making this chocolate [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► not fucking speak news [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► well he's but it mother think mother's [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► bread these you know the lies about [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► drinking or spread and believed in light [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► of our recent election here in the [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► United States and how the fuck did this [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► happen [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► it-it-it its soothing to me mentally to [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► think back to other times where you know [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► there were what the fuck really thinking [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► moments in u.s. politics and we have [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► cycles a work we're about to have our [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► first teetotaling president and I don't [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► know how long that's interesting thought [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► I that that's he doesn't drink in right [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► you know I reflects like the Trump has [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► no vices except lying he's lying about [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► that right but he he he said he didn't [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► drink so I assumed it was a lie [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► it turns out he's absolutely sincere [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► people said they'd seen him drink in the [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► past but it may have been decades ago [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► and have been confirmation people been [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► with him [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► no enemies and friends and people were [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► former friends like he doesn't drink [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► alcohol [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► it doesn't seem to have any alcohol and [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► witches and it's not it doesn't seem to [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► be more realistic than his brother I [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► mean yeah and other family history had [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► an older brother who you know literally [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► a long time ago I guess it's a drunk in [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► early songs he died yeah you know [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► present yourself to the cafeteria and [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► I'm sorry you know you can see that like [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► that there are signs of Trump like [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► things like that but I think maybe the [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► man has some empathy compassion or at [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► least insight current self correcting [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► capability but it is fasting is fasting [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► to have a president who I don't know how [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► much Obama drunk I think he liked the [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► beverage you know he indulged in some [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► cigarettes before he was elected and now [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► he's smoking a decent he did until after [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► he was like oh that's wanted and then [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► occasionally there's report maybe he [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► sneaked to figure out here and there [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► right site but he's mostly bread [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► stuffing but some trumping a teetotal I [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► don't think I have any impact I don't [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► think he's going to go out he does not [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► have never been a temperance advocate [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► but I think he went I've read things [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► here's the weird thing about that risk [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► right there are times that everything he [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► says and I go but this is very [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► reasonable and I've read things he said [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► in somewhat middle of long interviews [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► about his brother and sometimes the [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► harsh about it but often he is very [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► sympathetic to what the brother went [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► through in a very sympathetic to what is [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► the effect that had on the whole family [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► and and how sad it was he died young and [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► I'm like all right well you know I like [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► to know there is a human being under [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► there he is a bit of a science art it is [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► one of the weird and I mean whether you [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► you know again whether you like him [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► don't like him or somehow are [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► indifferent they're very small [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► percentage of Trump voters are actually [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► celebrating from what i can tell they're [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► all concerned what's coming next one of [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► them because they don't know if he's [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► gonna do what they promised him either [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► one of the art well he's not [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► yeah quick hey one of the odd things [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► about him though is that he does he does [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► his personality seems to be a bit of a [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► cipher you know where is Obama i think [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► where's his personality on his [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► shirtsleeve much like bill clinton and I [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► i think to george w bush [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► I think else oh yeah that's right you [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► know I think Hillary is guarded famously [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► but there are widespread reports though [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► from her clothes the people who are [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► close to her that in person she's very [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► warm funny and and empathetic but on the [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► campaign trail for what you know reasons [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► that we won't get into because it's you [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► know but there she knows she publicly [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► put up sort of a a more serious guarded [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► personality but wonder if we'll see [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► we'll probably see that the Hillary in [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► the woods photos give me life because [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► she looks like a great weight around for [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► despite what's coming you never hear to [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► never hear stories about like the real [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► Trump from the people close to him like [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► there doesn't seem to be one is the [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► others know there's no real trucker [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► talking about his older brother really [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► does it i do believe i'm going to work [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► 99 percent of the stuff out of his mouth [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► I don't believe but when he talks about [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► his brother it seems sincere that he you [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► know and that it really did you know he [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► saw what happened anything he decided [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► I'm not gonna drink any other thing [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► that's very self-aware about it that I [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► saw the New York Times had a good story [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► about this earlier way earlier in the [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► camp [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► Jane was the other thing that he said [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► about it was it wasn't just well I saw [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► what happened to my brother and decided [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► not to drink he also very self-aware [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► said I also know that I'm not much for [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► moderation personally but you know if [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► this amazing from him wow I you know and [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► looking like look at the way he [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► decorated its home [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► yeah well they also occasionally like [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► the unguarded Trump is fascinating [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► because he is a bully and a fascist in [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► certain ways and then he says things [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► like when it came up about transgender [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► bathroom bills like North Carolina and [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► elsewhere his first reaction someone [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► asked about he said people should go to [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► whatever bathroom they're comfortable [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► with what I was like well that's cool [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► like I'm good with that his campaign [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► walked back and wrap it and put it into [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► Republican phraseology and you know [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► whatever but his first reaction you know [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► is people should make whatever choice [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► they want for themselves just really [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► affect other people which you could [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► argue as a little bit of a narcissist [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► rice too but it was more that was honest [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► reaction like I'm curious how much of [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► that kind of blunt honesty we're going [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► to see versus the the you know the [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► tendencies towards much worse behavior [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► I'm not optimistic per se but i'm i'm [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► trying to be curious because we will see [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► things that are gonna be totally [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► unexpected from a Republican elected [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► president [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► they're going to not conform with anyone [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► but my wife says she said this number of [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► times the reason that we're feeling [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► anxiety and I think this goes for Trump [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► voters as well I think there are a [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► number of Trump voters feel exactly the [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► same way and some related but I think [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► that's a small percentage compared to [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► the largest number of people voted form [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► is she said he defeats our ability to [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► predict the future we all have a little [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► internal production capability and he [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► breaks that and you feel anxious and [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► that's also what people talk about with [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► fascism not not necessarily directly for [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► him is that fascists and abusive [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► domestic partners and people in those [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► categories they try to unsettle you so [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► you never know what's coming next you [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► live in a constant state anxiety I don't [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► think that's his plan that I think [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► that's how we thought I feel inside my [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► wife feels [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► how about that technology how about that [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► the power charger [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► let's talk about something that we know [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► works who says who says i'm not good at [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► segways that's great so you had a story [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► at Mac and I think it just came out [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► yesterday when I want to interrupt you [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► all right [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► Segway Magic Loop did you see about the [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► ostensibly fake magic magic leap [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► demonstration now tell me what you may [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► want to talk about a few I you know all [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► the details but you know it's a it's one [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► of these new ivr things and Kevin Kelly [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► wrote a really breathless piece earlier [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► this year for Wired he got a demo he got [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► to see it and it's a bunch of super [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► intelligent people involved in it [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► they're running the lab in Florida away [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► from Silicon Valley oh yeah yeah like [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► next-level like whatever everyone's [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► working on now this being released in [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► demo this is the thing beyond it is how [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► it's being hyped well they put a [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► demonstration video and then it came out [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► that was actually like a Hollywood [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► produced a hollywood-style produced [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► video that is not actually reflect any [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► hardware they have already so I was just [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► thinking this way you said segue was [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► thinking like yes remember how the [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► segway change the world magically is [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► right up there with sorry that's my [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► segue they there's a some sort of tour [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► here in Philadelphia where you can I [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► don't know if it I guess its history [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► historic sites but the OA historic sites [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► are all very close to each other frankly [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► but I see them occasionally where [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► there's obvious tourists with helmets on [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► on segways on a tour you know but [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► usually somewhere around eight to 10 of [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► them there's somebody in the front is [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► clearly the tour leader and and there it [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► just seems like the dumbest way to get [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► around like I do [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► I'm i love the idea the fast i'm [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► fascinated by the idea that that the [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► things self balances on two wheels but [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► that segues themselves are so stupid [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► oh yeah I mean it's just I just over the [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► whole the breathless it's going to [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► change the world the patent filings are [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► amazing they think the people investing [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► like Jesus think this will be changed [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► the way cities are built right everybody [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► Steve Jobs trashed ok I'm not spread [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► it's like and it's a really cool scooter [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► that has certain applications entry well [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► anyway I'm sorry shorter up but [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► magically just got me with [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► that you know like they thought no one [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► was gonna figure out it was a fake you [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► know are produced demonstration you know [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► what I got I I i have the google pixel [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah and I got the VR headset [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► i forget what the i can't remember what [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► the name of David daydream i haven't [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► used a lot yet but it's it's pretty neat [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► I mean for African how much I paid for [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► the headset but it wasn't too much I [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► mean once you've bought the phone for [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► eight hundred dollars or whatever it [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► costs the $75 headset is a neat add-on [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► it's it's really pretty good although it [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► does it does the jonas was really into [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► it but it it doesn't get hot it [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► eventually shock huh [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► it eventually tells you that it it [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► couches it's sort of like remember when [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► do we would tell you to take a break the [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► the end oh yeah that the it told Jonas [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► to take a break but it wasn't really for [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► his well-being [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► it was because because the phone had [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► overheated and needed to to cool down [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► but it's actually pretty good the [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► latency is really really good like I was [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► what i thought was wondering if it would [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► pick up but i can also completely see [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► why Apple hasn't built such a thing [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► it's not not ready yet they want the [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► thing they want the thing whatever [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► magically intends to make which they may [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► not be able to achieve that's what Apple [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► would prefer right I I don't say it [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► it baffles me that people don't see this [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► in apple so I I one of the things when [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► people complain about the new macbook [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► pros that they're not pro enough you [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► know that the they're not performing 10 [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► have enough like there are other [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► companies are making laptops that you [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► can drive you know high-end vr helmets [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► from mom and it's like wow that's that's [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► of course they are because that's what [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► you know the pc industry always does is [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► build you know whatever you know you [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► know that's why gaming pcs exist you [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► know that the pc is for some people it's [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► just a generic box that you can use it [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► to drive any computing tasks you want [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► like that's that is not what Apple does [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► apple doesn't make generic boxes that [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► you can make other things from there [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► a-levels if I was going to make a VR [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► helmet that the VR helmet itself will be [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► the computer and it will have the [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► graphics in screen that it needs to be [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► oh yes thanks a lot of sense right [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► they're not gonna make they're not going [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► to work on making the phone into a [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► jerry-rigged vr screen even though it's [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► possible and the pixel thing is good [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► enough that it's you know it's it's neat [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► but it's you know you can also it's also [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► it's not retin-a resolution i mean you [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► can totally see the pixels of the things [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► that you're that you're saying and it's [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► you know it's just clunky to stick your [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► phone into a helmet and same way that [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► it's clunky to have a helmet that's [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► literally tethered to a laptop computer [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► like that if you hold your watch up [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► really close to your face it all figured [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► out but no i think you're right i think [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► it's unlikely Apple Apple makes an [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► operating system that is capable of [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► being adapted to a lot of different [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► circumstances but they don't make [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► hardware that's as general purpose i [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► mean i think that's the macbook pro is [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► really more of an inch computer now it [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► doesn't have the same general appeal i [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► thought that i would say that about the [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► 12 inch macbooks is released its not a [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► lot it's not a like the macbook air [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► which was for a lot of people the [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► 12-inch MacBook is more particular [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► because it makes you make choices and if [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► it doesn't fit your needs and it's not [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► the laptop for you and the macbook pro [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► is much more restrained restricted than [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► the previous models and that pro but [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► speaking of those ok so you wrote a [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► review this week of this newer tech new [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► power and you p 0 wer I've already got a [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► link in the show notes new power it's a [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► 60 watt power adapter that has two [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► outputs one of them is a USB a the [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► old-school USB and any other ones us bc [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► and you can use them at the same time so [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► you can plug this into the wall and then [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► take a your existing like that the cable [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► you charge your phone with did with the [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► US the rectangular USB a plug that and [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► plug your phone in and then with like a [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► new 13-inch macbook pro or the just [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► plain macbook you could charge that from [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► the USBC at the same time [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► yeah it's pretty slick [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► it comes with a 6-foot AC cable so [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► you're using your 6-foot USBC charging [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► cable that came with the macbook or [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► macbook pro you have been at 12 feet [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► suddenly if you want that from Apple you [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► have to pay a the adapter is I think [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► Warren gamely be have to pay if you [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► don't have one around you pay its twenty [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► dollars or ninety dollars to get the 6 [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► foot extension for the power adapter [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► that comes with your latina apple laptop [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► so i like that i mean so right so it [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► it's like a cable it's kinda like an [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► offset so if you've got a 12-inch [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► MacBook sort of ideal because you plug [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► this in to one port and you plug in your [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► you know ipad or iphone to charge via [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► the new power thing and you also six [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► foot of cable beyond that so you can [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► have your cable you know your type a2 [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► whatever cable and your laptop cable and [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► along AC cable and it's 50 box for the [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► whole thing so it's I think it's a great [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► replacement or traveling alternative [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► because it seems that all these bases [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► and in 60 watts is an interesting number [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► because I it's clearly designed it more [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► around there like 45 watt pcs that this [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► also works with works with anything with [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► us bc charging power power delivery 2.0 [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► is the spec which is a lot of devices so [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► that you know the macbook 12-inch [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► MacBook is 29 wats there's some 45 watt [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► laptops and so forth the macbook pro 13 [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► inch models are 61 want yet which is [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► crazy right where I don't understand [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► that it was very specific about how they [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► like to nap batteries to charging and [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► they just do exactly what they want it's [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► weird [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► well it's the first one I can think of [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► that such an odd number like it well [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► though the the macbook is a 29 watch I [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► guess you're right and and the macbook [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► pros 87 wats and somebody told me I [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► didn't look this up that the previous [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► macbook pro 15-inch 1 i'm sorry was also [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► 87 lot so they have been very specific [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► profile they don't like to make a [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► generic charging thing so this is the [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► new power is probably not appropriate [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► for a 15-inch macbook pro because it [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► will it's very hard for to keep up if [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► you're doing anything that's pulling [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► power down for the 13-inch it'll keep up [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► almost as quickly i mean so you know [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► three percent off so we'll charge while [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► you're using it and might charge tiny [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► bit slower if you plug in USB type a [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► device to [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► large it will take away from the [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► charging going to the USBC port I'm so [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► you're charging ipad at 2.4 amps that's [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► 12 watts at 5 volts in that so that'll [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► be fifteen of 12 watts to be subtracted [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► from the 60 if you're doing that anyway [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► 13-inch macbook i think a lot of cases [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► it's a really nice alternative and it's [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► got you know it's not a square little [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► thing it's a it's like much longer looks [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► more like a traditional one that's very [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► lightweight it's got rounded edges only [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► thing i don't think i don't like about [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► it those I don't like that to plug this [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► into the wall you have to use a cable it [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► has you know it's it recognize it so [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► this is the brick but it's it you plug a [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► power cable into the back and then it's [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► a six foot cable that goes well [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► so like there are some cases some [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► situations where you do want that but [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► there's others like when you're like [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► like when I'm going to hotel usually [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► most hotels now have like a desk where [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► there is like a power on the desk and [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► it's not you know like I don't need it [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► that six foot cable is just going to be [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► in the way there I got kind of it's true [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► i wish that i could just plug it plug it [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► right in [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► you know like it had the prongs on the [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► thing or anything else that that's the [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► drawback is it that's it if that's what [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► you want then you can always carry the [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► original one but no I think that is the [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► drawback to get extra cable that way [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► without an option but I think I I and I [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► have that same issue although I'll [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► kitchen hotel in that time I got stuck [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► plugged in our print work i'm often [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► hunting around for desi out of it [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► somehow power strips have been some [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► newer we're not new hotels but [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► retrograde once power strips right or [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► maybe it would be nice if it you know [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► again this would obviously make it a lot [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► physically bigger so maybe maybe I'm not [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► thinking it through but it might be nice [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► if I had one of those cables that you [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► could like it would retract you know [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► like the way like most vacuum cleaners [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► work now you can retract the cable [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► oh yeah we're gonna see a lot more use [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► USBC chargers to is having where it's [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► taken the power to respect so I actually [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► interviewed for an Oracle it's going to [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► come out in Fast Company about us bc [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► like why it's so hard to figure out what [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► cables are good like why isn't there [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► some group [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► I mean my conclusion spoiler is that the [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► death of magazine test labs is basically [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► why we're having problems with us bc [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► like it's not so I talked to the head of [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► the USB implementers for on the USB I F [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► and the chief operating officer [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► you had a great talk about like where [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► does type see fit into the ecosystem [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► what are you guys responsible for like [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► where does your point and and one of the [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► things the president told me is he said [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► really frankly this is a said this isn't [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► your grandma and grandpas USB to point [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► out we said it's much more complicated [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► it's much harder to get it right and [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► we're seeing more problems because it's [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► a much more complicated difficult spec [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► it does so much more and so they're not [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► surprised but it's what manufacturers [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► want it's not like the USB I have [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► invented a difficult spec and it's being [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► inflicted on customers it's like all of [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► you know all the major computer and [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► mobile makers are all involved with us [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► pif further on the board or they're [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► deeply involved in the standard process [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► they wanted this to happen ultimately in [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► a couple years maybe a year we're all [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► going to be delighted that we have maybe [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► we still a lightning that seems like [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► it's going to happen but we have one [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► cable and one thing that works every [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► goddamn place and then new displays will [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► all have USB support and you knew [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► everything will have it and will say why [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► do we make such a big deal about this [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► because the pain of transition in [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► finding the adapters that don't exist [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► and legacy support is a pain but I think [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► it's really a net positive for it and so [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► the power part is particularly difficult [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► to something called power delivery to [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► point out which is as far as i can tell [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► us the first widespread implementation [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► and products on a non-proprietary of [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► standards-based but you know trade group [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► owned but non-proprietary spec for doing [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► power that's above like 15 to 30 watts [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► and you can go up 200 watts their [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► previous USB specs that allow this but [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► what I can tell i don't know that many [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► devices used them they're very specific [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► and you need a specific adapter this is [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► the first generic way that's already in [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► you know millions or even tens of [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► millions of shipping products that [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► supports involved no 12 or 15 watts in a [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► standard way and interoperable [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► interchangeable adapters so the [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► ecosystem i think is about to sort of [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► like the chipset issue is a big deal [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► every John you know this right like [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► lightning every lightning Thunderbolt 2 [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► cable had a computer in that tip of [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► every cable right and the same thing is [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► true with us bc and that makes it more [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► complicated Saul USBC is like you're [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► plugging a computer that looks like a [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► cable into your computer's port [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► that has a controller and they have to [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► talk to each other and so like getting [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► that right means the controller chip [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► sets and the USBC cable chipsets all [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► have to be in this incredibly perfect [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► alignment and that is I think what's [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► been taking so long and we're starting [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► to finally see the benefits that you [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► know already like almost two years into [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► the rollout and next year will be very [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► different [TS]