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00:00:00 ◼   ► I what you want to talk about first [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► we've got we don't have too much but i [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► think the macbook pros are still [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► interesting because i had a show before [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► thanksgiving with Jason snail but at the [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► time we have recorded that it was sort [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► of at the time I like maybe possibly [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► early orders were like unboxing their [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► macbook pros but at the time it was [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► really just people who had the the [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► review units who'd had them whereas now [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► lots and lots of people have macbook [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► pros we have some real world experience [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► might as well talk about it first [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► yeah and I reached out to that was when [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► I know I i really enjoyed your review [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► and then let me let me pull up what you [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► said about my review and it was it was [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► good and I was like I need to come on [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► the podcast and defend myself and and [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► you know what we are also we can talk [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► about i'm going to i decided i'm going [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► to put the mic right up against the [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► macbook pro keyboard so and even though [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► your your your listeners your listeners [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► don't like loud sounds [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► I can just be typing on my macbook pro [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► the entire time and which will annoy [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► them or maybe that one into that that is [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► a good topic I I'm glad you brought that [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► up i would have been furious if if we [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► hit stop and we stopped recording and [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► never brought up the the sound loud [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► keyboards all right what did I say let's [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► see i can find it first [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► oh so you said I'm so you said very good [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► take as usual it felt really good to get [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► that and then I i say that it that it's [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► baffling let me out quote what I would I [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► ruin I said I'm why this isn't available [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► and this is the the touch ID isn't [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► available on all of apple's macbook [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► laptops especially the entry-level [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► 13-inch no touch bar pro is baffling and [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► you said not baffling at all maybe you [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► should do it you should read your own [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► things like an interactive realize your [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► emotions well I should do like your your [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► vote what I think is your voice yes yeah [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► you should just do my way not to [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► baffling at all with Apple you have to [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► pay for awesome new stuff that a good [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► impression [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► that's pretty good [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► I think touch ID combined with the [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► secure Enclave is so is at least half [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► the value of the entire touch bar it's [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► funny because I would say it no pun [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► intended your impression your impression [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► of me is is a little stern it is much [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► better than my wife's that my wife's [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► impression of me is always sort of that [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► I'm like adult who the the girl who [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► threw the tooth book that's out there [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► that's how many does it does me and it's [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► pretty and I i actually just hear your [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► voice I don't hear i don't hear what [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► every voice I did that was just like a [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► this is what that [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► yeah a blogger and i'm in a man with the [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► computer you know that's what I am job [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► in with computers not battling at all [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► but you know what at this is exactly [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► what I mean that what i mean by that and [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► you know it's the format of during [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► firewall that I tried to be now I do [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► apologize it [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► what's that i apologizing for for not [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► apologizing but I I sometimes wonder if [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► it's too easy to get CZ to be a little [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► because I'm so terse sometimes that it's [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► you know I that's why I sort of like [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► having a podcast on the side is that we [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► can go on lengthy digressions over when [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► I'm looking at it right now two [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► sentences it you know it's when when [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► something new comes out like touch ID [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► it's only available on the premium price [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► models and you have to wait I know and [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► I'm sure like a year from now the [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► mid-range model will probably be [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► upgraded with you know the touch bar I i [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► hear that but let's let's think about [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► how long I phone owners have had touch [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► ID almost i would say now what ninety [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► percent of iphone owners have touch ID [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► yeah I would think so many how many at [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► like we're going back to five hours [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► range of right so okay maybe probably [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► know I don't know I have the percentages [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► you really only applies the percentages [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► but that's that's a long time and we've [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► all got used [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► using it on our iPhone and it's great [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► it's it's it's magical [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► really you the the fact that you're able [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► to do so many things now with your your [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► your fingerprint and you don't have to [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► punch and passwords it really made lives [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► better it makes your life better on the [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► macbook pro why can't I do it on a [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► macbook why can't I do it on really just [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► the macbook because that's really the [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► only two new laptops apple has it just [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► it kind of makes sense and and on on the [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► on the 13-inch no touch bar which is [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► supposed to be I think what they thought [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► would be a very sort of not entry-level [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► for $1,500 obviously but this basic [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► model it seems like you could have this [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► without the touch bar now I know there's [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► a lot of technology that you could get [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► that comes along with the touch bar but [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► I don't know it just seems like it [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► should be there [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► my guess is that part of it is product [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► marketing it with meaning putting the [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► this appealing new feature or only at [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► these higher price points what I think [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► it's like 1799 for the first one that [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► has the touch part yeah 1804 vs 1500 for [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► the entry i think i keep saying entry [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► level but it's that I guess it is entry [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► level for the new yeah pros right then [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► and it's you know clearly clearly [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► occupies the mid range of the overall [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► lineup it is right i would say it is the [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► central you know it's the very middle of [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► the lineup that right you know combined [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► with the high-end regular macbook are [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► sort of right there around the same [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► price point and it's we know which one [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► you want the super thin and light or the [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► more powerful one right and i think my [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► recommendation I i had i struggled with [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► this review more than any review i've [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► written in a number of years because to [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► me there wasn't a very clear you should [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► get this one [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► I'm not that I usually tell people you [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► should get this one but it that you [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► deserve you talk through what you may [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► want but it was so complicated and when [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► you look at that 13-inch without the [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► touch bar without touch ID without the [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► extra ports with a slower processor [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► but it's like why even though that seems [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► like the one you'd want to recommend to [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► people right if you don't need the touch [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► bar get this one but you but you can't [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► really say that because it doesn't have [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► touch ID it doesn't have the extra ports [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► and you're sort of like in this place we [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► like you should pay three hundred [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► dollars more to get this other one even [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► though you might not use the touch bark [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► yeah and if you compare that model the [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► new 13-inch yeah I as it's called the [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► macbook escape right all right if you [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► compare that one to the remaining old [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► generation 13-inch macbook pros that [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► they're still selling the ones that have [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► the SD card slot in it you know the old [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► school USB a port [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► it's cool that's a tough decision for [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► that would be a tough decision even for [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► me personally like if I and that was the [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► tape that's my entire review right like [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► my entire review was there's a new thing [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► it's good i I don't I don't think it's [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► bad it's very good there's a lot of [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► great things in it but there's this old [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► thing that is also still really good [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► even though it hasn't been updated in [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► many years and I don't really know which [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► one to tell you to buy so let's just go [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► through what's good here what's bad [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► there and you decide you know I'm and i [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► still like i like i don't even want to [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► think about like I'm happy we did this [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► podcast like a couple weeks after [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► because like my brain hurt from thinking [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► about macbooks so much agree it was [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► actually great timing was happening [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► during the election and it was a good [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► escape in a way to escape it is it it [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► was the election Escape key that's [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► pretty good actually [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► is that it was the macbook was the [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► escape election Escape key for me you [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► know like I i spent a lot of hours like [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► being able to think about laptops and [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► not being able to not having to think [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► about what the disaster that was [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► happening everywhere else so i will say [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► this I I think you have a very good [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► point that maybe it has taken to long [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► for touch ID to come two macbooks in [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► general that if you know if we had on [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► iOS all the way back to the 5s why is [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► November 2016 the first time it was [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► available for the man [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► there i think you have a strong point [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► and I can't really refuse it [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► it seems to me like if anything more [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► proof on the side of right if you had a [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► video podcast you'd see me dancing in my [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► office right now that iOS is the favored [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► child of that Apple and the mac is the [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► you know it you know second seattle i [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► think that you know you could definitely [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► argue that I might even be hard to argue [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► otherwise because how long ago was the [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► 5s last year was the 6 plus 6 6 plus 6 [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► ass success [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► yes it was the six the year before so [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► three years ago was when the 5s was new [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► that's pretty well right right for four [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► years ago right [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► yeah so that's pretty long and I i agree [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► with that but i'm not surprised by my [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► take is that whenever it did first [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► appear on the Mac of course it's going [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► to start only at the high end and then [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► trickle-down you're a year after year so [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► I think you have a good point that maybe [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► that first max with touch ID should have [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► appeared across the line up at like 18 [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► months after the 5s or something like [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► yeah and and off and across the line up [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► is my well especially when you know but [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► across the lineup never wouldn't would [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► have wouldn't happen all at once it [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► would but but then if it happen right [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► if it happened two years ago then by now [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► it would be across the line up right [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► well or at least why didn't they come [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► with the macbook and it was that was in [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► my review when I reviewed the macbook [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► when it first came out why is this not [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► here and why is it still not there right [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► yeah it could be i mean it [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► maybe it's me and maybe I I would you [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► know I people have had it now you're [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► like you mentioned beginning the podcast [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► people now have had the these new [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► macbook pros maybe they aren't finding [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► that it's a huge game changer for them [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► but I mean I i like it a lot [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► you know i'm i'm waiting for the [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► dashlane integration but like I I i use [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► it i mean i hate typing and passwords [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► and I click open and close my laptop [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► like all day long [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► yeah and it's you know is i have you set [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► up the thing where you can login to your [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► Mac with your watch [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► I haven't I haven't either because i [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► went to do it and [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► it seems like it was going to take like [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► an hour it was just like thing it's like [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► you've gotta like turn off the [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► two-factor authentication and turn onto [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► something else [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► authentication and it really seemed like [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► more trouble than it was worth [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► especially since I don't wear my Apple [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► watch all the time and energy just and I [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► used couple of different max it's just [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► seemed like it was going to be set up on [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► this device and a at the same time I [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► knew that I'd be testing the touch bar [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► one soon enough so it's right I never [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► did it and I forget people that it's not [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► even that fast if it's not it's cool it [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► works but it's not it may not be as fast [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► as typing the password that i have in [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► muscle memory that you know when I sit [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► down but i'll tell you just logging into [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► the thing with put your finger up there [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► where that yeah just makes sense and [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► it's like and it's funny just going back [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► to Apple not having put this on laptops [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► for years it's like the whole idea of [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► fingerprint sensors and technology [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► really began on enterprise windows [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► laptops right they were terrible [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► they were so bad you have to either [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► swipe your finger in like the exact [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► right direction and even then you get [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► through like three different software [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► layers that would say like whatever this [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► you know whoever was making the the the [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► fingerprint sensor would have their [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► software then you have Windows software [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► and apple just fixed that with the [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► iphone right they fixed that would touch [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► ID and then the entire android and [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► Industry followed suit just like why was [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► it never on laptops know so I you know I [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► I I don't play I'm not surprised I I [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► kind of you know circle back i think [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► that i was touched idea come to the [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► macbooks earlier i think this is pretty [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► late but now that it's here I really [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► like it [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► I'm not surprised it doesn't go across [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► the whole line i do wonder how much [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► Apple debated internally whether to [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► release that macbook escape at all and [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► help but think that that was a [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► discussion it just it's what why it's [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► it's a weird it's a weird product [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► and it's very confusing it i think if [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► that product had either been three [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► hundred dollars cheaper right let's say [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► well then that would be like right up [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► against the macbook and that would be [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► confusing the whole the whole lineup is [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► very confusing to me but I'm not really [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► but not the whole lineup is very [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► confusing to me with the old models and [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► then with that 13 in the new 13-inch no [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► touch bar it's very confusing to me but [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► why I think if that product didn't exist [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► it might be a little bit easier or if [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► the price was dropped my guess is that [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► it's because they this is my best guess [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► is that they clearly for the last few [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► years [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► quite a few years they don't [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► significantly change their mac hardware [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► on a regular basis like I think we can [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► safely assume that these new macbook [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► pros are what the macbook pros are going [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► to look like for at least three years [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► probably for forever you yeah for a long [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► time and at the most the most they might [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► do would be add new like anodization [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► finishes maybe total and maybe add a [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► gold one or something like that or get a [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► new version of black or something like [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► that right and so I kind of feel that [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► that $1,500 macbook escape isn't really [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► there to sell in great numbers right now [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► but it's there because it'll you know [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► six months from now or a year from now [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► it will move down you know it'll be [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► thirteen hundred dollars instead of [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► fifteen hundred dollars a year from now [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► and maybe technically unchanged like [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► that they'll do great where they don't [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► change any of the yes any of the [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► internals and eventually it'll be like [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► 1,200 1,100 dollar macbook with you know [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► to us you know what that's a pretty good [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► machine for an entry and maybe that is [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► the machine that goes to to fill the the [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► macbook air void right i mean for now [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► the macbook air sticks around apples [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► saying it very loud and clear the at the [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► macbook air sticks around they know how [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► much people love it and we can talk very [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► good we could talk about some of us who [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► have have considered stocking up [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► the macbook air because we think it [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► might be taken away at some point but [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► maybe that is that's the thought process [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► right like if and in my mind right and [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► for someone who's constantly asked about [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► laptops less less so more you know [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► recently but if the no-touch bar 13 inch [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► what is the quality escape the macbook [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► is macbook pro escape was let's say a [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► thousand dollars i think it's gonna be a [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► while before it gets a thousand I I [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► agree I agree agree but if it was I [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► would have it would be a great system [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► for students right put aside the dongle [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► it situation it would be a good it would [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► be great recommendation for students [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► right I'm and prices part of it but also [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► you all the other things that add to it [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► right it would be great if I touch ID so [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► okay so let's take it comes down to [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► 1,200 like you're saying or 1300 i think [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► it is a much easier sell than it being [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► $1,500 I i also think that it's that the [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► touch bar as a whole including you know [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► not just the actual display not just the [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► touch screen but the touch ID sensor and [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► the secure Enclave and the stuff that [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► lets that you know it is it you know it [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► really is kind of fascinating at a [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► meta-level that it really is an iOS [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► computer inside and Intel computer you [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► know it's a computer and a computer it's [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► it's a it's an input device that is [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► itself a standalone computer including a [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► display i think it is a it really is [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► probably a you know 200-250 dollar [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► component that the price difference [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► between them it is a significant it's [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► you know almost certainly we know it's [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► way more expensive than the the trackpad [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► or the keyboard it's a very expensive [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► thing and it's it's not you know it's [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► it's a pretty simple explanation why [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► they started 18 hundred dollars it's [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► because they are you know the ones with [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► the touch bar have a very expensive [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► component at the top of the keyboard [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► totally and I'm and I don't have as big [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► of a problem with the eighteen hundred [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► dollars starting price on the touch bar [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► I mean I i think it's high [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► absolutely but when you consider that [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► verses thirteen hundred dollar macbook [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► old macbook pro where that starts it to [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► me that that one in the middle just [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► doesn't make sense the escape macbook [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► pro I'll hard time recommending i really [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► would you know you haven't even the fact [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► that it only has two ports instead of [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► four right that's the one that if [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► there's one thing it as the week's go by [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► that irks me the most about that is that [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► it doesn't have the USBC port on the [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► other side [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► yeah at $53 it seems to me I understand [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► i really do understand why it doesn't [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► have even the touch ID because i think [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► that you can't really separate the touch [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► ID from the fact that it's this whole [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► you know it doesn't make sense to avert [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► like that to have touch ID and still [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► have to have an iOS device it would just [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► be an iOS device without the touchscreen [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► but it would still have to have a [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► miniature iOS device to have the secure [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► Enclave and and all of that I don't [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► think it'd be worth it for them to do [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► the engineering to make it i think they [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► do yeah but silly haha it's for $1,500 [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► it's really seems weird to me to cheap [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► out on us bc ports right yeah i mean [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► like and I mean this i'm in the place [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► where I want a new laptop right I've had [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► this macbook air for three years now and [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► I have like beat it into the ground it's [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► a great system could probably you know [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► keep going for someone who doesn't do as [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► much stuff on their laptop as I do and I [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► I don't really know what to get like I [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► keep going back and forth between the [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► old 13 inch pro and the tech new touch [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► bar [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► I'm you know and i even had my review [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► saying maybe I'm holding out for one of [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► these price drops or something but it [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► seems like odd to me that i still really [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► want a two-year-old computer and part of [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► it is the ports like part of it is i [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► mean i'm i'm using the mac the new [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► macbook pro with touch bar to podcast [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► right now and I've got two of the you [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► know $40 dongles that besides I've got [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► you know though the one with the hdmi [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► hooked up to my monitor [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► got the my external mic plugged in [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► I've got ethernet plugged into the other [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► one that doesn't this isn't like a [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► typical setup for me but you know that [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► could be one of the things you have the [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► SD card slot is a thing for me i don't [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► know i came here for you to tell me what [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► to do [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► well it on the other thing I wanted this [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► one to mention is that one of my [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► favorite things about the new one and [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► this is another one of the reasons why [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► i'm i'm kind of annoyed that that that [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► the macbook escape only as the two ports [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► is that one of my favorite things about [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► the new thing is that you can plug the [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► power on either side and it seems like [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► that it's a decent trade off with losing [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► magsafe i mean it's it's like i said i [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► really miss mag that's a good point but [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► being able to plug it in on the right [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► side in a lot of cases is really makes [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► it a lot more convenient there are [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► certain like I i don't know why but i [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► always feel like every time I ride the [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► acela between philly in New York and I [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► if i'm lucky enough to get one of those [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► seats with that the table right it's a [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► really you've done it right and its [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► really really it's you know it's nice to [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► have a table but you're facing it i got [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► like like a table right for anybody who [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► doesn't know the amtrak on the East [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► Coast there's there's some seats on the [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► acela trains that you faced people on [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► the other side and in between you is a [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► very narrow table but it's really great [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► and if you can get one of those seat and [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► I always feel like every time I do that [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► I the seat is like means that i have to [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► like snake my power cord around people [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► right it's 23 you're here like sitting [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► left yes I always sitting on the left [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► and it would be sit would be do you know [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► it's not like wow that really changes my [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► life that I have to drag the cable [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► around the outside of my computer and [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► plug it in but it would sure be a lot [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► nicer if I could just have it sneak [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► sneak up right next to my lap and just [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► plug it in on the right side and that's [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► a really good point [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► I i thought you know maybe maybe part of [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► the reason I've always chosen the left [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► side of the bed is because of magsafe [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► it's possible right [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► what if that's true I don't even think [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► about that but people using laptops in [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► bed [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► it's not my life [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► stop in bed like all the time yeah i'm a [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► phone I'd iphone in bed all only and [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► always [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► yeah me too but I like you know from [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► writing late at night and I was like I [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► don't want to be sitting at my desk or [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► I'm if you look at that point the right [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► side of the bed people have been screwed [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► for forever but in my lat in our last [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► two plate two apartments i always have [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► to chose the left side now that's very [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► selfish of me much [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► well might you know my wife doesn't love [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► magsafe as much as i do I guess she's [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► probably like who cares right right [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► and interestingly like you know usually [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► you pick based on like which side is [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► closest to the bathroom right like that [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► that's usually one of the choices at [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► least for women but I guess men to men [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► and men pee in the middle of the night [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► oh yeah that thing all the time I don't [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► live with a man so I don't know [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► anyway um and so in this apartment i'm [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► on the left side and that's not even the [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► closest to the bathroom so i think it is [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► the answer back safe has determined what [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► side of the bed [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► nicely done no anyway I still don't know [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► what to do I don't know what to do and [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► I'm just gonna keep just figuring it out [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► and yes we had I had this funny [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► conversation on Twitter last night with [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► walt mossberg because apparently on his [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► podcast he mentioned that he has bought [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► and I guess it's a recent it's the [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► newest model of the macbook air and he [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► has this model in the box unused stored [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► in his house till his current one stops [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► working because he's worried apples [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► going to discontinue it [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► this is this is the thing he's [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► stockpiling and saving up for doomsday [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► of the macbook air and I have agreed [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► with some hearing you're like that's a [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► crazy i think that's really the genius [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► idea like so it's like you've got like [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► it's like my 2k shelter you got like you [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► know a bunch of canned food I like what [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► I'm one of those people that like if I [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► have a shirt or something that i love i [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► have i will buy a couple of of out ya [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► bye bye bye a couple versions of the [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► shirt i'll buy like i do that i do that [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► and so I just never really [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► thought about doing it for tech in a way [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► especially not a laptop that cost over [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► $3,000 I don't really have that kind of [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► money where I want to just like saving [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► why I was a dollar laptop in my closet [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► to be honest i chimed in on Twitter and [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► I was like you guys are nuts because I i [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► can't i can't imagine acurite you really [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► are we are [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► I cannot retina screen it looks terrible [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► event Thompson my friend of the show [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► sometimes guess Ben Thompson had the [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► same feelings where he felt like I don't [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► put words in his mouth but more or less [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► that the the nice things about the [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► macbook air that you like the keyboard [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► you like the thinnest like the weight [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► you like having a couple of those [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► different ports he bought 12 I like I'm [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► gonna buy one while it's still available [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► open it up looked at the screen door [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► closed it packed it back up and send it [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► back to apple because he had forgotten [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► just how crude the non retina displays [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► are I can't see what there is that is [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► appealing about the macbook air other [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► than the price and I know that it's not [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► like you and Walt are are you know [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► limited $2,000 I don't stand right here [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► that anymore i see no appeal to the [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► current macbook air other than price I'd [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► not 00 again really wanted to stockpile [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► something if the ports were what's [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► important to you why not get the 13-inch [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► grabbed 13 inch yeah and that's I mean [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► that's what I've said and I mean I [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► totally agree i'm not buying another air [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► but i love this laptop I just like have [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► a special place in my heart for this [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► laptop and that's like why I guess they [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► said like I came back to this laptop [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► after two weeks and I was like I could [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► work with this [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► yeah I'm not like yes the screen is [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► definitely this big jar adjustment back [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► to basically seeing pixels all the time [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► but I just I just love it just feels [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► like home you know [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► alright I'm going to think maybe maybe a [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► little bit more time at the macbook pro [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► and I could feel a little bit at home I [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► won't take a break but when we come back [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► we should talk about the the keyboard [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► yeah remind me [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► I just be typing loudly here during your [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► first sponsor is a i love this company [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► and I love their product it's 0 te R 0 0 [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► makes the Wi-Fi routers little little [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► hockey puck things and they're brand new [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► and it's a totally different model it is [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► this is this is a totally different [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► system into distributed system they [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► really only make one one type of device [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► typically you what you do those you get [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► a couple of them to place them around [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► your house your apartment and they [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► create a distributed system to fill your [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► whole house with Wi-Fi having just one [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► router somewhere probably in your living [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► room really doesn't work for multi-room [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► homes its if you ever if you've got any [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► spots in your house like a bedroom two [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► floors up which is what I've got that [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► gets yeah i kinda like yeah I got Wi-Fi [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► but it's like nowhere near as good as it [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► is downstairs hero solves that problem [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► and they do it painlessly kind of right [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► on time with rumors that apple is [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► getting out of the airport business and [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► they haven't updated their airport [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► routers and years anyway I have a friend [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► this is anecdotal obviously your mileage [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► may vary i can't guarantee i have a [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► friend good friend technically very very [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► adept who just replaced the airport [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► routers in this house with Nero system [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► and the first thing he noticed when he [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► was doing testing was that is upstream [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► bandwidth went from 8 to 24 megabits per [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► second and he was under the impression [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► that eight megabits per second was what [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► he was capped at by comcast he had no [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► idea that there was even more upstream [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► bandwidth to have it tripled by [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► switching to ero it could not be an [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► easier less technical product to set up [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► this isn't like getting like enterprise [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► stuff that you've got to configure in an [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► enterprise you have to sort of put on a [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► network administrator hat [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► to set up no you just get these little [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► punks they're all the same [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► there's not like you have one that's the [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► home one and then you get these little [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► satellite ones you get like a 3-pack you [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► can make anyone [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► the main one and put it in where you [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► connect it to your cable modem and then [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► you just take the other two and put them [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► around the house for you you know [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► they're all the same [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► they're very very nicely designed they [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► quite frankly look a lot like Apple [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► products they're just very very elegant [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► little pucks and I would i bought I [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► bought the three set for my new [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► apartment I'm sorry about the to set for [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► my new apartment and I was going to say [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► the same thing it just feels like the [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► whole experience feels even simpler than [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► setting up the airport and and it you [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► just wonder like why is Apple why I mean [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► I that's a whole other we've seen this [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► in Connecticut we can roll the sponsors [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► thing right into an editorial this [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► really cut because i love we at 0 is it [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► like the top of our holiday gift guide [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► lists like it sounds like such a weird [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► thing but like you should get someone a [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► router like it sounds like Superbad and [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► 0 does not pay me anyone who's listening [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► to this 0 absolutely does not pay me I [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► never reviewed the eros my my partner [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► jeff fowler did it here but I bought [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► them and and i'm in love with it [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► well it's a great product they recommend [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► one for every thousand square feet their [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► default pack is a 3-pack that's what i [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► have i forget how many square feet my [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► houses but it's probably a little more [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► than a thousand but it's it's absolutely [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► the 3-pack fills it up if you're lucky [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► enough this is the right out of their [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► talking points if you're lucky you have [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► to learn mansion you can add additional [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► eros up to 10 in total you can figure [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► the thing with a really nice iOS app so [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► it's right there on your iPhone and it's [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► not like you gotta log into like a [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► bizarre thing on a web browser that's [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► running on port 80 on the euro just that [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► nice little iphone app I just hook them [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► up connect them once you've actually [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► plug them into power you've done most of [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► the work [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► it's really it's it could not be if you [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► have an old Wi-Fi setup in your house [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► you're going to get better performance [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► out of a narrow so what do you do to [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► find out more you go to the wall street [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► journal you currently have a journal and [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► read the review just to double check [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► that I'm not full of it [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► I know just go to really nice thing [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► about that the wife of the app by the [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► way is that you can like keep speed [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► testing and sometimes it's like it does [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► the speed tests for you have you do it [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► so I like the process with checking with [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► this being tests are in my in my house [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► like the last like the last speed test [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► it did was yesterday and one connected [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► let you know whether hey maybe we should [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► jiggle some of the settings because it's [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► you know you're getting worse [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► performance and you were a month ago or [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► something like that it's just that it [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► really is quite frankly an apple-like [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► experience [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► oh yeah you don't have to understand it [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► to know how it works just follow these [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► simple instructions instructions and it [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► just works and it looks nice and etc etc [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► so anyway what do you do to get more to [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► get these things go to ero calm and at [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► checkout select overnight shipping and [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► enter the code the talk show and that [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► shipping will be free so as you're [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► listening to this depending on the time [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► of day you can have these zeros in your [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► hands tomorrow with no charge for that [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► overnight shipping with that code the [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► talk show my thanks to ero really I i am [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► getting paid to say this but I really do [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► that I've got him set up in the house [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► and it's it's it's better Wi-Fi network [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► it really is and I'm not getting paid to [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► say any of this [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► not even not even my impression of John [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► group or do I get paid you know what I [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► thought I thought when that story I'd [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► end of the sponsorship we're done thanks [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► to your I thought when that news came [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► out that is German had the report that [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► Apple is getting out of the airport base [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► station business whether or not I've [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► heard this is sort of conflicting things [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► about that the you know more or less i [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► did the thing i've heard is what I often [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► hear with German stories about Apple [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► which is not that he's wrong about that [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► anything he wrote was wrong but that he [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► only has party is starting as part of [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► the story with yeah that's the nightmare [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► for adding journalist right and that [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► when the other parts of the story come [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► out it might make what he wrote more [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► sense [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► yeah but also maybe you know not look [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► good now i don't know this is just pure [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► speculation pure speculation [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► this is not anything I've heard but at [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► for example one way that he could only [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► have part of the story right would be if [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► app [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► all comes out with one of these in a [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► bear's alexa type yeah speaker type [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► systems like Syria in a box and the [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► Syrian a box also act as a Wi-Fi base [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► station [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► it does seem weird to me and i know i [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► said we'll get back to the macbook [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► keyboard but it now I like a resistible [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► it really does seem weird to me because [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► this this this story about Apple getting [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► out of the router business [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► it does seem weird to me because the [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► Apple idea is if you just stick with [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► apple stuff you're probably going to pay [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► more you know forex like and let's say x [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► is a Wi-Fi base station right that [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► Apple's base stations cost more than [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► just about any other most other consumer [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► base stations but that that the appeal [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► of it is if you stick with the apple [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► stuff it'll all just work and it'll be a [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► lot less hassle to set up and a lot less [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► hassle to keep it going and that is in [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► my experience largely true and to that [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► point right [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► the home if that is the next major one [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► of the next major battle grounds in tech [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► which it clearly seems to be with these [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► talking speakers that are all about [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► being home and if you look at google [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► strategy there as well [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► Wi-Fi and helping control that part of [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► the equation seems pretty essential [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► especially when you talk about smart [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► home stuff right it's all on the same [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► network [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► yeah I'm you know there's the there's [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► the privacy of the variables the [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► security of the network but there's also [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► the management of the network and that's [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► one thing that people to have seemed to [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► always loved about the airport i [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► actually never had one which is just how [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► simple it is to manage it is that yeah [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► that's what is the reason i've i've [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► always had them and I've always known [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► that i'm not getting or at least for a [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► couple of years now I've known that i'm [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► not getting the absolute best [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► performance and one reason i justified [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► that is I just know that that comcast [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► service we have at the house isn't that [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► great anyway like yeah and we're [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► thinking about moving and it's all just [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► sort of been when we move this in the [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► back of my mind if that when we move i'm [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► going to deal with comcast bite the [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► bullet [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► and we have to get the best comcast [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► service i possibly can and then i'll [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► figure out you know get a Wi-Fi setup [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► that takes advantage of it but it just [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► seems weird for me to app for Apple to [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► exit that because it doesn't it just [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► seems like there once they start making [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► it easy to say well you know i'm not [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► going to buy an Apple blank then you [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► started saying I'm not gonna buy an [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► Apple blank for other things to write [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► that being able to have like hey all of [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► my stuff is apple stuff makes it easy to [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► just say well I'm just gonna buy another [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► apple thing because i know it's just [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► gonna work right and that's definitely i [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► like your theory about whatever the you [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► know if they get into this talking [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► speaker race which seems like they've [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► got you write that that that device is [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► so core to the home it I i think this [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► theory of it maybe possibly doing [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► something with the with a network could [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► make sense yeah yeah i mean the way to [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► the end and that's it that's the other [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► top thing that we have on our holiday [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► thing which is the which is the the echo [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► and you know amazon now that you want [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► another one of Germans reports is that [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► they'll have some sort of tablet version [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► of the of the echo in the next couple of [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► whatever next couple months are early in [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► the next year I'm and that makes you [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► wonder you know okay [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► is that because people are then jumping [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► on their phones or tablets to go finish [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► up a task or whatever it is and in many [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► cases that's probably an iphone or [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► that's probably an iPad and Apple [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► already controls that other part of the [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► experience in the home I'd so that's the [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► if i'm remembering correctly Germans [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► report that this could just came out the [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► other day and it was interesting to me [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► at a meta-level because i like i like [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► Mark a lot and now that he's at [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► Bloomberg and these you know is so young [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► is just getting started [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► I thought what if when he took that job [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► at Bloomberg my guess was he's going to [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► expand beyond apple because he just [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► seemed inevitable it doesn't seem too [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► justified to have just apple an apple [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► rumors guy edit at a publication is wide [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► wide that covers is why did you know the [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► entire industry like Bloomberg and here [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► you go he's got a scoop of you know just [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► like the scoops he typically gets on [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► Apple upcoming stuff he's got one on [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► amazon product the just a bit though is [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► that it he like a 7-inch display built [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► into a speaker [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► I don't know and and I do think it's in [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► some ways it is obviously competitive [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► with tablets where you could just why [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► not just you know put say an ipad pro in [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► your kitchen and I've prop it up and the [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► ipad pro as you know beefed up its [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► speakers significantly compared to the [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► pre pro iPads means probably not as good [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► as a standalone speaker system but one [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► of the other things that government has [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► report is that this new echo is going to [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► have better speakers anyway because [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► that's sort of the complaint people have [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► about Gredenko is that the speakers [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► aren't that great [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► they're they're good for like a novelty [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► device if you think like oh my god [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► damned I'm talking to a black cylinder [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► this is amazing [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► the speakers are great but then if you [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► start listening to like music coming out [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► of it and you really just judge it as [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► like speakers for playing music it's [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► like a it's kinda right you know it so [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► you can get a better probably speaker in [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► that price range or well they dropped [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► the price is significantly right i mean [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► I so yeah I i love the echo I'm you know [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► it i did the review of the echo and the [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► home a couple of weeks ago and you know [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► even preferred it to to Google's product [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► and speaking of Google's also doing a [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► nero competitor right they've got this [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► new google Wi-Fi which I don't think has [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► actually come out yet I don't think [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► sorry that i haven't I think it was [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► supposed to but I don't think it has [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► yeah they haven't sent review units and [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► they were going to and you know so it's [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► all this fight of these ecosystems are [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► these companies trying to control the [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► ecosystems we live in especially in our [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► homes now so that you have the Wi-Fi [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► thing is interesting i but it makes me [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► wonder you know and you know and again [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► government's report wasn't that specific [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► but what would be the advantage of a a [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► echo which with like a physical thing [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► that has to be plugged in and is not [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► itself a tablet you know it [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► more of whether it's still a cylinder or [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► whether it's a rectangle now because it [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► has a display but having a built-in [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► display what would be the advantage of [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► that versus a a device let's just say I [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► mean if Apple made one but that also [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► could serve as an ipad dock and then [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► just use the iPad as the display [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► yeah I mean I i would assume that [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► Amazon's thinking is that people start [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► something on the echo right and like I [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► just talked to my experience i'll start [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► something on the echo and then realize [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► okay i actually need more information [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► right and so that I always have my phone [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► i usually have my iphone in the kitchen [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► and so I end up just sort of pulling [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► that out and going and doing whatever [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► i'm not doing that in the alexa app and [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► i'm usually not even doing that at all [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► with Amazon's assistance whether it's [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► you know searching for something or you [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► know now the new recipe functions things [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► like that i would assume this is more of [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► a ploy to keep people in you know an [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► amazon world but also you know try and [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► move them away from using their their [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► phones [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► I don't know well I the other thing that [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► occurs to me is and i forget if the word [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► kitchen appeared in government reporter [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► not did it or are people just [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► speculating that this is more of a [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► kitchen optimized device so i know i've [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► seen people saying that the echo is [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► meant to go anywhere and some people [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► have in their bedroom and some people in [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► their living room and lots of people [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► including me have one in the kitchen but [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► this this new device with the display is [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► sort of specifically meant for the [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► kitchen and I can think of a couple of [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► reasons why you definitely want to [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► display one of them would be recipes [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► right if you're doing something you know [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► if you're cooking in the kitchen I not [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► having a display is almost worthless [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► right it's like who you know it [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► nobody's going to do a recipe by audio [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► right because you did he'd have to keep [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► repeating all right how much of this how [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► much that the new there's a new [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► allrecipes at for the echo and it does [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► read out some of the the instructions [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► well I just think though that no but as [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► a thing to depend on I totally great [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► again that that's usually what i end up [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► you know pulling up my phone for which [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► is you know some recipe or something [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► well and the other thing that's very [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► obvious and a lot of people for a long [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► time have had TVs in their kitchen you [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► know like many tvs I couldn't [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► when I was here they invented little [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► like eight inch tvs that some people put [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► their TVs and I thought that was amazing [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► and I wanted my parents to get one and [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► they were like no yeah but it's obvious [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► you know and for as much as there's tons [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► of audio stuff that you can listen to it [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► you know like podcasts [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► there's also a lot of people like video [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► and a lot of people like to watch video [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► and guess what amazon has a giant video [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► service that was very you know it to me [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► it's very obvious why they might want to [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► have a display on the thing in the [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► kitchen because it'd be like you just [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► tell tell it you know to play something [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► from amazon prime video and there you [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► are watching it [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► yeah and I mean like a part of what [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► amazon also wants you to do is buy more [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► things on amazon and it's very simple [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► now but there are a lot of times where [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► I'm like oh you know and uh I'll say [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► alexa you add paper towels to my car or [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► whatever and it usually tries to [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► remember you will pick what I've ordered [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► before but like having a visual [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► indication of what that is or what I've [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► just ordered or added is is helpful like [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► I never really complete the order on the [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► echo I always end up going to my you [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► know my card on my laptop or on my on my [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► phone because you have more confident if [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► you see it yeah yeah I'm like oh yeah [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► that's the one you know I'm having so [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► it's just it you have to wonder what [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► would have happened if Amazon it [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► actually had a successful phone years [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► back if if they really i mean i-i think [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► honestly idea it's hard to see that the [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► echo would have come through in the way [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► it has if they had had a successful [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► phone [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► it almost feels like that them not [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► having control of the phone and not [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► having a strong presence in people's [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► mobile lives allowed them to create [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► something that was outside of the phone [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► right i think so i definitely think it [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► helped them because it's it was sort of [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► writing the failure of the fire phone [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► was sort of freeing for them and I think [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► the timing of the stuff that they've [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► done since it's sort of you know it's [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► sort of adds up that from the point [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► where they gave up on the fire [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► they've fire phone at least they have [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► you know you know it's [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► some measure or not I mean with as with [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► all amazon products who the hell knows [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► how many they've actually sold because [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► they won't they won't tell you but it [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► certainly seems with the echo that they [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► have some measure of a hit on their [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► hands [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► yeah I definitely think that I think [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► this holiday that guy even though the [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► echoes now to almost two years old it'll [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► be two years old in January which is why [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► I think this new rumor makes a lot of [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► sense i think you know it's probably [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► primed for early next year i think this [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► is the first time that I confidently I'm [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► yeah it really is the first time I've [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► confidently recommend it to most people [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► you know i'm i'm buying one for my [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► parents they just made it they just [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► built a new house and I just think it's [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► perfect for the kitchen that they they [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► made you know people for for holiday [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► I've just said you this is now like now [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► is the time to get one of these that [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► there's there's a just that the response [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► time is better the her answers Alexis [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► answers are mostly on on point and [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► compared to especially compared to [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► people's experiences with Siri you know [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► you really do get this feeling like [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► people are are sort of like they gave [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► Syria chance and then they say stop [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► giving Syria chance i think that and [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► I've said for for a number of months and [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► almost years now that's apples biggest [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► hurdle with Siri is getting the people [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► even even as Syria improves it's hard to [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► get people to go back and try and use [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► Siri for things [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► yeah but with alexa right out-of-the-box [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► your you have this really strong [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► experience you know the response times [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► the answers are right there's not a lot [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► of I'm sorry have to search the web for [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► that so i think it's going to get more [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► and more people comfortable talking to [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► two gadgets [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► yeah yeah i totally agree and I've said [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► that to that the single biggest problem [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► apple has with serious getting people [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► who felt burned by it to try it again [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► that the first impressions mean so much [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► and the first impression that people [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► have with Siri it was so bad for so many [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► people that and it was for a while that [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► they don't they've just given up on i [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► think the same thing was true going back [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► you know very long time and it doesn't [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► matter because it was such a niche [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► product but the Newton's handwriting was [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► the same way at the end of the Newton's [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► lifespan the handwriting recognition was [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► excellent it really was and [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► but we were almost nobody remembers that [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► everybody remembers that part of the [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► reason why the Newton failed was that [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► the handwriting recognition was so bad [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► because it was bad when they first [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► shipped it and everybody was like this [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► is amazing a little thing that little [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► computer I can you know almost putting a [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► pocket and i can write on it and you [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► know i got everything wrong at the end [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► of the lifespan [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► it was amazing but it was too late [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► everybody had filed Newton's handwriting [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► recognition under terrible it's really [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► it's really interesting it's something [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► I've been thinking about lately which is [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► that it were an early adopters are in [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► many of your listeners are early [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► adopters and so everyone tries all the [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► stuff that's brand-new and in the case [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► of what's been going on with with [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► technology over the last couple of years [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► it's like people companies and apple [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► more so than ever I think before release [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► is something that might not quite be [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► done and gets better over time [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► right especially now in terms of [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► software because softwares so much of [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► the experience like the Apple watch is [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► the best example I think certainly the [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► new version is faster because there's a [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► better processor and it's waterproof and [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► there's all these fancy things but you [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► know there's really an argument we made [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► it was better if you waited a year right [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► it was really better if you waited or [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► even if you waited and bought the old [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► 144 cheaper price because the software [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► got so much better it's the same thing [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► with the echo and it's really the same [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► thing with serial number of these things [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► but it there's this fear it there's this [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► problem with people are early adopters [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► and get a bad get that really bad taste [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► in their mouth and then they just say [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► this thing socks and then they put it [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► away and they don't know sort of keep at [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► it right so it's like almost it's like [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► it's a good time to be an early adopter [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► but it's also a really terrible time to [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► be an early adopter a lot of thoughts [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► let's talk about the new macbook pro [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► keyboard the poor new macbook pro [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► keyboard but first it's a good time to [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► take a break i'll take a break and and [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► do our next talk about an exposure and [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► then we'll talk about the the keyboard i [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► will try not to interrupt you [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► it's alright that was the best [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► interruption ever this episode is also [TS]

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00:48:44 ◼   ► if your device has like a Wi-Fi [TS]

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00:48:49 ◼   ► everybody knows they have auto auto [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► audiobooks that's sort of like what [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► audible was known for and they have just [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► about every audiobook you could possibly [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► imagine and if you're listening to a [TS]

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00:49:05 ◼   ► ever if you're listening to me tell you [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► this you obviously like listening to [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► long-form audio content audiobooks are a [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► terrific way to fill your time if you've [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► got like a long commute and every day [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► and you run out of podcasts to listen to [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► and stuff like that [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► audiobooks can fill that up it is such a [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► great thing but audible has expanded [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► beyond that and they have their own [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► shows day like I said they have news [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► they have comedy things they have so [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► much more it's almost like they are [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► netflix for audio maybe not even almost [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► maybe that's just perfect analogy really [TS]

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00:49:42 ◼   ► audible.com / talk show they always say [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► optional you can recommend a book i will [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► just say the book that i have read over [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► the Thanksgiving break i reread reread [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► last year's becoming Steve Jobs the [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► evolution of a reckless upstart into a [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► visionary leader by Brent slender and [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► Rick Petrocelli this is sort of the [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► unauthorized biography of Steve Jobs [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► that came out last year that i found way [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► more satisfying and way more interesting [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► and way more insightful than his [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► official biography by walter whatever [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► his name was because it focuses on [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► his work and I know that this book sort [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► of there is sort of a skepticism when it [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► came out and people I role because it it [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► this book had the participation of [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► people like tim cook and a few others at [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► apple and the people wanted to present [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► it as well this is a white washing of of [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► Steve Jobs his life or something like [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► that and if you read i don't think [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► anybody who actually reads this book [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► would actually say that the book it just [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► happens not to it happens to be a lot [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► less about his personal life and a lot [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► more about his professional life early [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► years at Apple his years in the [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► wilderness when he was at next and when [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► he founded Pixar and then how pixar [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► became a great success and how Apple [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► became you know at least some degree [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► that you know I think Apple did a little [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► bit better after steve jobs came back in [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► 97 it's a great great book I've read it [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► this is the second time i read it and i [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► couldn't recommend more they have it [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► they have the unabridged version right [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► there on audible.com so you can use it [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► to listen to 16 hours 21 minutes pretty [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► much like a long episode of of the talk [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► show [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► so there you go audible.com / talk show [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► if you want my recommendation give [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► becoming Steve Jobs listen all right [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► macbook pro keyboard the new keyboard [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► here that I i I've mentioned this so I [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► while I was doing my review I at one [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► point thought you know what this [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► keyboard is different than what i [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► expected it doesn't feel like the 12 [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► inch macbook keyboard even though it [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► looks like the same and it seems to have [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► the same key travel it didn't feel the [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► same to me at all and then you know [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► Apple set on stage that they did [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► something different with these [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► quote-unquote butterflied switches [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► underneath the keys and I believe it [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► absolutely it it's less squishy and more [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► clicky i would agree and it's like more [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► of a bounce right yeah it's it just [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► feels better it definitely feels better [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► to me okay but at one point during the [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► review I thought boy I'd like the way [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► this feels better than I feared [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► but is this loud this seems loud and i [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► called it my wife and son in that [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► point and I said listen to this do you [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► think this is too loud is this louder [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► than than the old ones and they were [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► they both convinced me that I was kind [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► of crazy they're like it definitely [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► sounds different but it's not loud and I [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► was like I'll just forget it and I [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► didn't write about it but then when the [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► reviews all hit a couple of people [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► mentioned including you that the you [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► have the keyboard is lat louder and I [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► thought damn I should have written about [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► that because I think I i was on the [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► shopping so I have a theory that but [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► it's hard because I haven't gone back to [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► the macbook but i think you're right i [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► think they fixed a lot with the keyboard [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► i still don't love it i don't really [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► like it really to be honest but I'm that [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► I i think i need to move out i need to [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► move into the future and an accepting [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► this keyboard is changing but i think [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► because there's this because the keys [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► are flat and when you're moving from it [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► a you know a keyboard that had these [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► more raised keys with that had more [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► travel you might be hitting the keys [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► harder and i know i think i hit the keys [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► harder especially when I'm like in it [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► and I'm really writing and I'm like this [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► is it you know I've got a great thought [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► and this you know I figured out how to [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► do this i feel like i'm sort of slamming [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► on the keys a little bit more [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► I'm and so that might be why it's louder [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► that it's it's it's part of my dear I [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► mean I definitely think they it [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► certainly is a different sound than the [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► the regular macbook and if you actually [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► live the funny thing isn't in my video [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► review i did a first-person video as I [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► do sometimes with the helmet camera and [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► whatever the whole the video kind of [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► stick was that i knew i was typing on my [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► laptop is sort of like a you know a [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► diary as I was going through my review [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► process and so we recorded the two [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► different sounds the beginning opens [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► when I'm work i'm typing on my macbook [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► and you hear the sounds of the macbook [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► air [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► sorry was that meant I my macbook air [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► and you hear that keyboard sounds of the [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► macbook air and then we recorded the [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► sounds of the macbook pro because then i [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► switched to typing on the macbook pro [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► for the rest of the of the piece so you [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► hear you here like we are recorded in [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► our booth here i do you definitely hear [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► the different sounds [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► the question I have is is it louder [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► because I'm hitting the keys with more [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► force or is it just genuinely louder I [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► can't really think of a scientific tests [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► to figure out what I can think of a [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► scientific test but I I have [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► done it i think it is ladder and i think [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► but i think i think it's a little bit of [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► column a little bit of column be i think [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► it is louder I do think though that I i [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► think i just tend to have a very hard [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► typing style and so is right you know [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► and i think with other people you know [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► have very different you know maybe have [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► a gentler typing style and I think if [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► you were in like a library and you're [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► self-conscious about the noise of your [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► typing if you were thinking about typing [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► softly I don't think that the macbook is [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► going to be a problem i think though [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► that if you you know have headphones on [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► and weren't really paying attention to [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► your typing it could be a problem [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► yeah yeah i mean i don't i feel like i [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► just some typing a lot harder on this [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► computer but maybe I've always typed [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► really hard [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► yeah what's your opinion of the keyboard [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► over all the noise aside like you get [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► used to it right like i said in this [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► piece and I know a lot of people thought [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► it was a super harsh line i was like you [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► get used to it [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► you also get used to sleeping on a rock [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► when you're camping great like I you [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► know I didn't mean that to be super [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► snarky I guess it came out that way but [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► like you get used to it you know it's [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► like anything that might not be [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► comfortable at first that you just sort [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► of get used to it and then you kind of [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► learn to like it I like I was that's [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► what the other thing I went back to my [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► macbook air this weekend I'm just like I [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► I missed you you know I i really missed [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► you but I've but I've written something [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► like I have this also like superstition [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► sometimes where I like work on a laptop [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► and I like if I've done some of my best [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► work on that laptop of like this is a [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► great laptop you know I think they did [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► the laptop made the work great and I i [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► think i've done some really good work on [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► this macbook pro so I really can't say [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► that a that i don't like you know using [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► yeah I i'd i would I I don't have a I I [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► don't say that i think it's fine and I [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► really am and I say that meaning that i [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► think all laptop keyboards are [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► compromised you know that none of them [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► I've never had a macbook or powerbook or [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► any apple laptop ever that has had a [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► keyboard that I find as nice as a [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► desktop keyboard and on the desktop on [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► the yeah the guy who famously still uses [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► 20 something-year-old Apple extended [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► keyboard to that's super cliquey and [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► loud [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► right on although not as loud as a lot [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► of these mechanical keyboards by [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► mechanical keyboard standard it's kind [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► of quiet but it is very quickly clicking [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► loud compared to modern lower travel [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► keyboards and I will also add some some [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► wiseacre on on Twitter after I made fun [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► of you and Walter stockpiling at their [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► phone MacBook Airs head this from the [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► guy who has a closet full of all the [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► aplex ended keyboards which is true i've [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► i've got at least like four of them in [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► my closet but my defense on that is that [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► this keyboard they don't make keyboards [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► like this anymore as a keyboard its if [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► you do prefer it there it's you know [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► there is a reason to stop bottom right [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► right at that's the thing I i really do [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► prefer the macbook air mat or the old [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► macbook air macbook pro keyboard [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► yeah I think I preferred the only [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► because I'm used to it i think if i [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► spend enough time on the new 1i would go [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► back to the I go back to this one and I [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► beyond did just be too unfamiliar with [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► right right yeah it's like anything you [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► get used to it you know idea there's [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► another thing about the new keyboard [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► that I think it and again i think i [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► would completely get used to it but I am [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► I haven't yet which is that the actual [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► keys are bigger the keyboard isn't [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► bigger but they've reduced the space [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► between the keys and made the keys [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► bigger and for some reason it makes me [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► feel like my fingers are spread out more [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► even though it makes no sense because [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► the center of each key is exactly the [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► same distance from each other as on the [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► old keyboard but for some reason that [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► that subtle difference makes me feel [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► like I have to spread my fingers out [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► more and it's not true but I it somehow [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► makes it feel that way [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► yeah I really think I've just typing on [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► it right now I really think I'm hitting [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► the keys harder because and maybe over [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► time I wouldn't hit the keys as hard if [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► I having i found it if I hadn't if I [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► don't keep going back to the old [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► keyboard i might get more used to just [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► the regular feel of this and i won't [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► strike the keys as hard [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► and I i think it has something to do [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► with the fact that i keep switching [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► between them [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► alright the other thing that bothers me [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► lastly on the keyboard at the new arrow [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► key arrangement and I I'd I don't know [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► why but it's like that instead of being [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► a t-shape now they've made yeah the left [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► and right ones full height and I for [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► some reason in the two or three weeks [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► that i was using the new macbook product [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► could never get used to that it just [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► took the entire to three-week period [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► never got used to it isn't that the same [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► on the macbook to yes it started yet [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► debuted with the new macbook but i never [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► used the new macbook so it's you know I [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► mean I other than like just kicking the [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► tires in the store and the hands-on area [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► i never liked reviewed yeah I really [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► yeah I think I kind of got you so i used [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► a macbook for like four four months [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► about I used most of the summer [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► switching that [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► switching that [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► to my air for sort of heavier work and [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► stuff like that and what about the [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► trackpad you do care that it's ginormous [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► I love it and I don't have any palm I [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► didn't have any palm rejection problems [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► whatsoever i saw a couple of people on [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► Twitter when they first started getting [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► their they're 15-inch macbook pros [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► saying I you know this is unusual for me [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► might my palms keep getting registered [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► as you know wonder if they were to get a [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► desk [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► I don't know i'll add hardware I don't [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► know if they're their skin registers [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► differently capacity of weird skin or if [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► they you know they got a bum device [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► I don't know but it didn't I i kept my [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► eye on it and it didn't seem it doesn't [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► seem to be like a rampant problem it was [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► like a couple of people the first few [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► days but i retested the 15-inch you know [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► it was really thought about it and and [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► you know my palms absolutely rest on the [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► trackpad while i'm typing and it was [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► never a problem I yeah I think I think [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► it's a big thing about what the angle [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► what angle you're using the laptop at so [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► I don't have really any problem when im [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► using it at my desk but there have been [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► some times where i have it on my lap and [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► I do have the problem or the or the keys [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► are or the the laptops raised up a [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► little bit more so my does the bottom of [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► my palm will strike the trackpad is I'm [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► trying to type like something lower on [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► the keyboard [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► i I don't I find it to be delightful and [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► it's you know my personal the macbook [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► that i own is a 13-inch macbook pro that [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► I guess is exactly two years old and I [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► think it was the last macbook pro that [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► didn't have the magic trackpad and you [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► know it's still it physically clicks and [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► I much prefer the new trackpad to the [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► one to the one that physically clicks [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► and especially because it it doesn't [TS]