0:00:00maybe the Cubs are in the world series
0:00:01again every goddamn here right now isn't
0:00:04it annoying the same shit every year but
0:00:08it's getting you know as a sort of
0:00:12Mariner span that's getting pretty
0:00:14embarrassing
0:00:16no its back when the Cubs are there
0:00:19yeah quick haha well okay
0:00:24pretty soon it's just gonna be us it is
0:00:28starting like this way I don't like
0:00:30baseball anymore and what you're
0:00:33Cleveland Cleveland can't stop winning
0:00:34no fair and all the championships tell
0:00:39me
0:00:39yeah it's rigged just like the election
0:00:44but that's like they like it but he's
0:00:48right you know the system is flawed are
0:00:51you John
0:00:52I am fine and how are you good little
0:00:55chilly
0:00:56yeah it started like there was it like
0:00:58there these days
0:00:5959 58 59 but yeah it's about what is
0:01:02here now
0:01:03can't complain yeah i'm in the basement
0:01:06though so it's cool it's cool down here
0:01:08i'm at my office is chilly it is i
0:01:12actually I've you know I'm a very
0:01:15delicate individual and sensitive to
0:01:17minor fluctuations in temperature but
0:01:19i'm at the the north end of the house
0:01:24and so I get that my office gets a does
0:01:28not get the sunlight and then I've that
0:01:30makes the difference you know what its
0:01:32temperate throughout the the main floor
0:01:34of the house is a little chilly in here
0:01:36yeah well I podcast in the basement and
0:01:39usually it's about the same all year
0:01:41round i would say my office is up in the
0:01:44what is was the Attic it's reef is a
0:01:47finished attic and it is it was boiling
0:01:50on the summer and freezing cold in the
0:01:52winter and there's like there's like
0:01:55three days on either you know where
0:01:57those to meet where it's decent so kind
0:02:01of screwed
0:02:02it's a great place you later the
0:02:04boiling-hot part is a particularly nice
0:02:06place to have a bunch of computer
0:02:07equipment
0:02:09that's very good it's good for the
0:02:11equipment really yeah yeah everything
0:02:13I've know about computers it's very very
0:02:15good for them to be and and be subject
0:02:18to where you know wild temperature
0:02:19changes wire wires and things love that
0:02:26so I'm looking forward to thursday
0:02:31yeah I will be flying out tomorrow we're
0:02:34recording on Tuesday show will air i'll
0:02:36probably posted from an airplane
0:02:38tomorrow i'm sure that will work
0:02:39perfectly well and then i will be there
0:02:50on Thursday i'm excited i feel like i
0:02:52feel like this is a good one because we
0:02:53don't we don't know what the hell is
0:02:54going on really no not really not really
0:02:56i mean there's been there's been some
0:02:58rumors about the the new macbook pro
0:03:01right after the only thing I know about
0:03:02though
0:03:03yeah I feel like everything else is sort
0:03:05of unknown you know like there are
0:03:07rumors that there's going to be a new
0:03:09another new we'll get to all this detail
0:03:11but there's rumors that there's going to
0:03:12be another in addition to the macbook
0:03:14pro 13-inch macbook of some sort whether
0:03:17this is an updated air whether it's a
0:03:19new 13-inch regular retina macbook which
0:03:23makes no sense to me
0:03:24we don't know yeah but i'm in the market
0:03:30are you really yeah because my macbook
0:03:34air is a 2012 10 so that's that's good
0:03:37timing
0:03:38yeah so yes this is really exciting for
0:03:39you yeah i mean i was thinking that
0:03:41maybe I would get this year's macbook
0:03:43when I came out the spring but obviously
0:03:45that wasn't quite not big enough
0:03:49update it's a beautiful little machine
0:03:51it yeah so nice it really is the most
0:03:54beautiful mac that Apple's ever made
0:03:56every time i see at the apple store and
0:03:57I just you know I told you and I told
0:03:59you but if you listen to the show but
0:04:01whoever the guests for the last few
0:04:03weeks that we had a word problem with
0:04:05Amy's Apple watch where the bank him
0:04:07often and we went right and I picked it
0:04:09up and I've been in the apple store a
0:04:12lot recently and every time I walk by i
0:04:13always think god damn that's a nice
0:04:15little laptop yeah
0:04:18and you with your feelings on the
0:04:21keyboard
0:04:23I could live with it i'm def a'ight I'd
0:04:25I haven't spent significant time like i
0:04:27never got like a review unit of the
0:04:29regular macbook so I've never spent like
0:04:31a significant amount of time on it but
0:04:33I'm sure that i could get used to it
0:04:35anything that has actual physical keys
0:04:37i'm sure i could get used to I think you
0:04:38in the hypothetical future where they go
0:04:41to some kind of touchscreen like surface
0:04:43for the keyboard to make it even thinner
0:04:45i might have a serious problem then but
0:04:48yeah I'm going to have a problem with
0:04:49that tail up until that point i'm sure i
0:04:51could get used to it because I like I do
0:04:54like and it's you know it's funny
0:04:55because I'd like a real old-fashioned
0:04:57mechanical keyboard right but that's
0:04:59just what I prefer so anything less than
0:05:01that is it's you know fine it's it's not
0:05:05what I prefer but it's fine
0:05:06yeah yeah I think I think for me the via
0:05:09the baseline is some motion but the
0:05:14glass is not it's not really gonna cut
0:05:16it i was i was at a tremor I think this
0:05:19was when Hank broke the screen of his
0:05:21iphone 6s yes success and over the
0:05:28summer we went in there and one of the
0:05:30genes that was helping me was typing on
0:05:33her iPad and just like I mean look like
0:05:3665-70 words a minute and it was crazy
0:05:39you do that I guess you know maybe
0:05:44people maybe people now you know the
0:05:46kids these days maybe coming up learning
0:05:49how to type on glass screens much faster
0:05:51the weekend
0:05:52yeah I've spoken to some people at Apple
0:05:54have said and this is like from a couple
0:05:56years ago that yes that you know and and
0:05:59like in the interim since i've had this
0:06:02discussion with people at Apple they've
0:06:04come out with the the smart keyboard
0:06:06cover for ipad which has physical moving
0:06:08Keys so it's not like they're saying hey
0:06:10you know we don't need physical moving
0:06:12Keys but that you know don't understand
0:06:15if you say you can't type on an iPad
0:06:17don't don't assume that means everybody
0:06:18can't type and the younger it goes the
0:06:20more you know the more natural it seems
0:06:22because it's just what they grew up with
0:06:24ya now in your you're missing a thumb
0:06:27right
0:06:28yes that is correct so i would think
0:06:29that's even harder
0:06:31and am I left my life I mean it's that
0:06:34mrs. there it's just kinda hanging on by
0:06:36a thread right exactly you know where it
0:06:39is i do have I did suffer an injury and
0:06:44I don't know what happened my left ring
0:06:46finger feels like the the first knuckle
0:06:50I at least come dummies when I was in my
0:06:55spy high school basketball like you get
0:06:57a dummy finger-like so your finger
0:06:58wasn't broken didn't have a broken bone
0:07:00but we couldn't feel it now but you know
0:07:02like you haven't ya and basketball
0:07:04happens all the time you catch up all
0:07:05the wrong way but if it you know you it
0:07:08would swell up at the knuckle real bad
0:07:10ok and you wouldn't be able to like flex
0:07:13it all the way but you know you could
0:07:14like tape it up and it be alright it's
0:07:18just one of those little things when you
0:07:19get old and stuff doesn't heal quickly
0:07:22like I don't know what happened but I
0:07:24know it was over summer though because i
0:07:25know that i noticed it when my family
0:07:27was on vacation in this so this was like
0:07:29early August and I was like I don't know
0:07:31what the heck I did like if I jammed it
0:07:33on a door or what the heck i did but i
0:07:34noticed i woke up one morning my left
0:07:36index finger was swollen and hurt like
0:07:39small enough that I wouldn't be able to
0:07:40get my wedding ring off you know i still
0:07:42can
0:07:43and now it's the end I looked over yeah
0:07:45still can't and it's alert a little bit
0:07:47and it seems like the sort of thing like
0:07:50when I was like 17 like you I could stay
0:07:52it would be injured ten times worse like
0:07:54like a golf ball swollen and three days
0:07:57later would be back to normal
0:07:59you really like me in trouble you're
0:08:02gonna be trouble in trouble with Amy
0:08:03lesia get the jaws of life out here
0:08:08you realize if you do realize i realize
0:08:10as as I rock it through been into deeper
0:08:13into my forties that when you're a young
0:08:14person you really are sort of your sort
0:08:17of like halfway to like being like
0:08:18wolverine if you don't appreciate it at
0:08:23the time but as you get over you
0:08:25definitely don't appreciate it
0:08:28yeah yeah I find I found that I like I'm
0:08:31you know a bit older than you but i
0:08:32bruise i get these bruises now and they
0:08:35don't they just like stick around for
0:08:37like a month they were hurt or anything
0:08:40but it's like where it had that happen
0:08:42and.and what I want to go away i have
0:08:46the same thing I will occasionally pick
0:08:47up a bruise like on the back of my elbow
0:08:50right and it's like I don't remember it
0:08:53hitting anything I don't get something
0:08:54happens while asleep and they don't
0:08:58don't go away like they just gonna roll
0:09:00over too fast and boom I got a bruise
0:09:06so what do we know we did alright so
0:09:08what's coming at this event the matter
0:09:11of prose is the guarantee right that's I
0:09:15guess the one thing that we've seen some
0:09:17pictures of him there have been fairly
0:09:19hefty rumors about ya German I think
0:09:22maybe gets credit for breaking at first
0:09:24with this they're replacing the f keys
0:09:26above the keyboard with some kind of
0:09:27some kind of touchscreen I don't know
0:09:30somebody at some point somebody says
0:09:33it's an oled I don't know if that's true
0:09:35or not that will tie into the next
0:09:40discussion about the we called the
0:09:42google pixel that I that I got last week
0:09:43because i gotta tell you i still even
0:09:46though people say they like this pixel
0:09:48display I still don't like the colors on
0:09:50an oled display but that over like
0:09:51that's neither here nor there right now
0:09:54some kind of touchscreen strip and the
0:09:58idea would be that it's therefore
0:10:00because its software you could you know
0:10:02if photoshop could put like a bunch of
0:10:04tools up there or presumably you know
0:10:06maybe like you know a word processor
0:10:09could put style stuff you could just
0:10:13like a bowl button or something like
0:10:15that
0:10:15yeah I don't know so 13-inch 15-inch
0:10:19macbook pros they're supposed to be
0:10:21thinner and then there is a case leaking
0:10:23did you see this thing there's somebody
0:10:25in China leaked a like the top of the
0:10:31case or the unibody enclosure and I
0:10:33think according to the leak
0:10:37it's like it's got four USB seaports
0:10:40like 21 inside still has a headphone
0:10:42jack and then that's it
0:10:44so no more USB ports USB a is the the
0:10:48traditional big sort of rectangular
0:10:50rectangular one yeah USB port that we've
0:10:53known and loved since the imac
0:10:551998a so no more USB a ports and no more
0:11:01s SD card slot
0:11:05no more what else is the macbook pro
0:11:07have I think it has hdmi right i guess
0:11:11so i think hdmi is the one the one that
0:11:13I'm always trying to plug something into
0:11:15it and it doesn't work so that's the
0:11:21rumor and that's probably true but
0:11:23because it sounds right to me
0:11:25yeah yeah it makes it that makes some
0:11:28sense and I you know I been using a
0:11:34macbook air for years but if it's
0:11:36thinner i might go back to the 13-inch
0:11:39macbook pro yeah hdmi there is on the
0:11:42current one power to USB the heck is
0:11:49that one so i think i don't know how
0:11:53this is that some of the stuff that I
0:11:55feel like I'm getting old them out of
0:11:57date on some of this stuff so it us bc i
0:12:01know based on the retina macbook that
0:12:04you can use USBC for lots of stuff so it
0:12:07you know the retina macbook has one port
0:12:10it's USBC it uses its charge and it uses
0:12:13it to connect to a display and it uses
0:12:15it because you can do like a thunderbolt
0:12:18over us bc and it uses it obviously to
0:12:23connect any USB peripherals you wanted
0:12:25to connect to like so if if this new
0:12:28macbook pro he only has four USB
0:12:30seaports then if you wanted to like plug
0:12:34it into power and plug in a peripheral
0:12:36and plug it into a display would you be
0:12:38able to use any of these ports to plug
0:12:39the display into or is there going to be
0:12:41like what this is the you know you got
0:12:42to use this top left one for the display
0:12:44that's a good question i would think
0:12:47you'd be able to use any of them but I
0:12:48don't you know in the past that some of
0:12:50them have been differences in the USB
0:12:52ports like some of them have different
0:12:53at different power output
0:12:57yeah I don't know and how would they
0:12:59differentiate it seems very unhappily
0:13:01like to to require you to remember that
0:13:03these four PS that look the same
0:13:05actually are different i mean i guess
0:13:08what they could do is is print like a
0:13:10little I don't know some kind of little
0:13:12icon next to the one that you know but
0:13:16that doesn't seem right seems like you
0:13:17should be able to use any of them for
0:13:18anything but I don't know if
0:13:19electronically that works out I don't
0:13:21know
0:13:22yeah i'm gonna guess that's it yeah it
0:13:26is that's just part of the the is Apple
0:13:30doing the lightning or not the Lightning
0:13:32DM what's the line what does USBC have
0:13:43the Thunderbolt in it
0:13:46yes yeah but I mean but is that Apple's
0:13:48doing is that the USBC and standard I
0:13:50think it's the USB standard forget as
0:13:52something something to do with intel
0:13:54okay well then then I don't know why
0:13:56they wouldn't all have it right
0:13:58i-i-i it sounds like good update to me I
0:14:05i don't know i mean and suppose you know
0:14:08the whole thing is going to be thinner
0:14:09presumably one of the reasons they're
0:14:11getting rid of us ba is just because it
0:14:16by today's standards that's a big fat
0:14:17port i'm not saying that the device is
0:14:20actually on the device is obviously not
0:14:21going to be no matter how thin it is
0:14:24it's not going to be so thin that they
0:14:25couldn't put a USB a port in but i think
0:14:28it you know you could I think it's
0:14:30probably going to be thin enough for us
0:14:31ba would look ugly
0:14:32yeah and you know we all know that most
0:14:35important thing when you buy computers
0:14:37making sure that the port's look nice
0:14:39vga is gonna be a vga port there will be
0:14:45a dongle for be too big and I've always
0:14:49been a little rice the vga port I've
0:14:51even used it I have you know i still use
0:14:54some standalone camera so I you know I
0:14:57have SD cards and i have used it you
0:15:00know the SD to SD slot on my macbook pro
0:15:03on occasion I've always thought it was a
0:15:05little surprising that Apple put an SD
0:15:06card slot in the mac book pro
0:15:10just because and it's then you know and
0:15:12I'd I would presume that they could do
0:15:14it on the new one by you know it's
0:15:15certainly a pretty thin little slot it
0:15:17just seems like a non-apple like thing
0:15:19to do though it seems to me like if you
0:15:20want to use a card you know they they
0:15:22want you to be punished by having to use
0:15:24a dongle and i say that i'm being a
0:15:27little facetious but it's just add on
0:15:29Apple's you know really takes the
0:15:31minimalism on these ports to an extreme
0:15:33and adding it SD card slot built-in it's
0:15:36sort of unusual for Apple yeah yeah
0:15:39still on the imac to yeah i use that to
0:15:43I've already said that's my favorite
0:15:45game to play on the imac is plugin yeah
0:15:47well that's the thing yeah and we know
0:15:48on the back of the device that becomes
0:15:51very difficult i've gotten very good at
0:15:52it i've gotten very good at sitting at
0:15:54my desk not being able to see get an SD
0:15:56card list into the into this last night
0:16:00I can't even plug USB he's in the back
0:16:03of mine i tweeted that and a bunch of
0:16:05people I hadn't thought about this
0:16:06because I never owned one of the side
0:16:08loading imax you know before they got
0:16:11the real thin sides that slot was on the
0:16:14side which is in theory the SD card was
0:16:18yeah
0:16:19oh really ok and i miss that they also
0:16:21had CD slots over there though and so
0:16:23apparent a real cop common problem it
0:16:26was a Perry I mean I you wouldn't
0:16:27believe how many organs that he's like
0:16:29yeah that's it everybody played along
0:16:32with my idea that this was a great game
0:16:33and they're like it gets home and it's a
0:16:36good way to lose all of your lives you
0:16:41just tuck it in and the second you let
0:16:43go of it and like you know forget it all
0:16:45the way in you realize what you've done
0:16:47that's terrible and then you got to fish
0:16:49it out ya better had better to have it
0:16:52on the back so yeah macbook pro and and
0:17:04then everything else is just up and hear
0:17:07me
0:17:08yeah so there is there's rumors of a new
0:17:1113-inch model and this is to me where
0:17:13we're being you are in our pundit points
0:17:15because the data macbook pros a little
0:17:17self explanatory but what is this
0:17:1913-inch macbook pro some people are
0:17:21calling it a macbook air
0:17:22in chi kuo of KGI securities or rivers
0:17:27company's called the analyst who gets
0:17:29gets a lot wrong actually
0:17:31philip elmer-dewitt as an interesting
0:17:33scorecard for his like three years of
0:17:35predictions but his iphone stuff is
0:17:37usually spot on
0:17:38yeah usually he gets wrong that the
0:17:40timing right it's not that great on
0:17:42timing any and he's like everybody you
0:17:45know he's really is that not an apple
0:17:49analyst so much as an appellation supply
0:17:51chain analyst like his sources are very
0:17:53clearly it's almost transparent that is
0:17:55sources are from the agent supply chain
0:17:57so he doesn't get things like product
0:17:59marketing because the agent supply chain
0:18:01doesn't know that stuff like that like
0:18:03what's the name of the device going to
0:18:04be they don't know that until the last
0:18:06minute and they start printing it you
0:18:09know on the devices and a string of
0:18:12pricing and stuff like that nobody knows
0:18:14pricing is like the top held secret that
0:18:16Apple like there's only you know bro
0:18:18very seldom leaks because i don't think
0:18:20it ever really leaves you know it from
0:18:22in between like shoulders group and tim
0:18:26cook you know and then
0:18:27well surely jeff williams but you know
0:18:30it's like a top people type thing right
0:18:34and i was making the webpage so he could
0:18:36he's been calling it a macbook air for a
0:18:38while a new 13-inch or maybe he's been
0:18:40calling a macbook I don't know but the
0:18:42idea that they would make a 13-inch
0:18:46macbook like the 12-inch MacBook makes
0:18:48no sense to me like 30 no i don't
0:18:50understand that either I you need like
0:18:53two inches to have a separation that
0:18:56will make sense Lena like oh yeah i can
0:18:59see this 13-inch is sort of like a
0:19:01regular size and 15 inches big and this
0:19:04oh and this 11 inches tiny 12 and 13 or
0:19:07way too close to each other so that
0:19:08doesn't make any sense to me
0:19:10plus it doesn't seem like I mean it
0:19:12seems like it's a little early to to
0:19:14bring out a new macbook right because
0:19:16the current ones only came out i think
0:19:18in April right right right so if your
0:19:22loads so then the speculation is that
0:19:25it's an error right and you know some
0:19:30people have speculated nobody seems to
0:19:31be willing to commit not not in chi
0:19:34quote not German nobody is saying well
0:19:36what kind of display this thing has
0:19:37which is inconspicuous to me because it
0:19:40would like so they're just not
0:19:42mentioning it meaning does it have a
0:19:45Retina display which is certainly what
0:19:47people who are hoping for a retina
0:19:48macbook air hoping for if it doesn't
0:19:51have a Retina display is the display
0:19:53improved at all versus the existing
0:19:56macbook airs because there's things i
0:19:58think like I don't think they're I
0:20:00forget there's certain technical things
0:20:01even if it doesn't go right now that
0:20:03could be improved in the macbook air
0:20:05display like I think like IPS and stuff
0:20:08like that
0:20:08ok I don't know nobody knows that's why
0:20:15it's exciting
0:20:16the idea i guess is that if it needs
0:20:20that I'm a little surprised that they're
0:20:21updating at all
0:20:22I've been under the assumption that the
0:20:25macbook air is only hanging around to
0:20:27occupy price points like a trait that
0:20:29899 that the 11-inch started a 999 13
0:20:32and started at and that there's no other
0:20:34reason for those devices to exist and so
0:20:37that Apple's would just keep selling the
0:20:38old ones as long as keep people keep
0:20:40buying them exactly like the there's
0:20:45still that old macbook pro that has a
0:20:47spinning CD drive that apple sells they
0:20:52don't really advertise it they don't
0:20:54have it out in the apple stores but if
0:20:55you go online you can still buy it that
0:20:59has a CD drive even I think so let me
0:21:02check the port definitely has definitely
0:21:03has a spinning hardly has any hard drive
0:21:06maybe it doesn't mean i think it's just
0:21:07a spinning hard right doesn't doesn't no
0:21:08it does not have a CD drive all right
0:21:10whatever
0:21:11yeah don't have a floppy drive was just
0:21:14behind as if it's got its got swappable
0:21:16bit is but you can take the zip right
0:21:18you can take the zip right about now and
0:21:22putting jazz drive-in is that what hours
0:21:26yeah yeah I got one of those upstairs
0:21:31jazz drive now i don't know i don't have
0:21:35the right idea i have an old our pal gym
0:21:37rank gave me is all done and what is it
0:21:40it's a it's a wall street
0:21:45what was it called powerbook yeah with
0:21:48the put the thing you could pop out i
0:21:50think i just wish that one hand that
0:21:52anyway it's a really old have a really
0:21:54old powerbook upstairs
0:21:56well anyway Apple still sells had some
0:22:02sort of ancient macbook pro that I can't
0:22:04even remember the details of that is
0:22:06only there because people keep buying it
0:22:08yeah i mean i would i would think that
0:22:13now is the time just to be going all
0:22:16retina and they would sweep away that
0:22:21one and then the air but these rumors
0:22:25seem to indicate maybe not
0:22:28there we go it's at the bottom of the
0:22:30macbook pro paige and i lost 1099
0:22:33dollars right so it is a as a 500
0:22:37gigabyte 5400 RPM hard drive so that's
0:22:40what i was thinkin of ya i guess it's
0:22:44like some of these apple products seemed
0:22:46to me like products from the past like I
0:22:50don't I can't imagine like I splurged
0:22:53when i bought the item that is my imac
0:22:55is almost two years old now but that was
0:22:57the last device i've bought where I was
0:23:00maybe possibly even thinking vaguely I
0:23:03might still get a spinning hard drive I
0:23:04thought maybe about because it the
0:23:06upgrade to get like a full one terabyte
0:23:09SSD was seriously expensive but of
0:23:14course i love to spend money so i just
0:23:15got it but it was the last time I even
0:23:17hesitated for a second and thought maybe
0:23:20i should just get the diffusion drive so
0:23:23I you know and I realized as i bought
0:23:25this imac that it will be the last that
0:23:27whatever the previous I back i bought
0:23:29was the last you know I'm never going to
0:23:31buy a spinning hard disk
0:23:32yeah in Thai inside of mac again yeah
0:23:35maybe on external drive you know just
0:23:37for backup or whatever but not inside
0:23:40and I don't think I've ever by person I
0:23:42would never buy another device without a
0:23:44retina screen
0:23:45mhm but yeah and so that's the end
0:23:47that's the other thing that's did the
0:23:48hard drive I would think that now would
0:23:50be a also a good time they probably all
0:23:52this they probably want to because it
0:23:53seems like it's too ubiquitous across
0:23:55several different product lines but to
0:23:57get rid of some dates some
0:23:59soon they need to get rid of the
0:24:00spinning drives fusions not bad fusion
0:24:02works fine but the solely spinning
0:24:05drives or I would never buy one night so
0:24:09the conundrum i see i thought that maybe
0:24:12the air would just stay as it is with it
0:24:15screaming non retina displays and just
0:24:18sit at those price points until the
0:24:20retina macbook could be sold for like
0:24:22999 and then they would just get rid of
0:24:25that there's would just suddenly
0:24:26disappear and be maybe a at whatever
0:24:29point in the future this happens a year
0:24:31old retina macbook that sells it 999 or
0:24:34899 even a newer retina macbook with
0:24:38better specs that sells at 1299 or 1399
0:24:42you know that's what I expected but it's
0:24:46you know based on these rumors it seems
0:24:48as though the air might be sticking
0:24:50around but yeah then is it going to be
0:24:52called a rep macbook air
0:24:53I don't know yeah the macbook starts of
0:24:561,300 bucks so it'll still a little
0:25:00pricey too and I'm not doesn't seem like
0:25:02doesn't seem like they would they could
0:25:04drop just so merrily take three hundred
0:25:06dollars off right now and it only came
0:25:08out in April so that you just wait you
0:25:10know six months later it's a we highly
0:25:12unusual for Apple to drop a product by
0:25:14thirty percent price so yeah whatever it
0:25:17is it's about the commander sent it just
0:25:21doesn't seem possible but then what
0:25:23price would this macbook be this is the
0:25:25problem I see is if it's a retina
0:25:27macbook air
0:25:28what price does it start at because if
0:25:30it starts at nine ninety-nine that seems
0:25:33like a great deal and it doesn't seem
0:25:35preposterous given that there are
0:25:37competing products from other companies
0:25:39you know that have roughly the similar
0:25:41specs like I think like let's just say
0:25:42like a microsoft surface which has you
0:25:46know I think roughly air quality you
0:25:49know the cpu from Intel and has a Retina
0:25:52screen and it's you know as a starting
0:25:54price under a thousand dollars so it's
0:25:57not it's not like I'm you know again you
0:25:59whenever your own show we all would
0:26:01often play let's spend Tim Cook's money
0:26:02we're not just saying let's make it 99
0:26:06you know because worst we're not based
0:26:09on reality it seems like based on on
0:26:11other
0:26:12laptops from other companies that you
0:26:14could do a Retina screen on a 999 device
0:26:19yeah but if they did that who buys you
0:26:22know what that meant to me that makes
0:26:23the the regular macbook at 1299 look too
0:26:27expensive whoo yeah it sure does
0:26:32especially since it's slower and I
0:26:34realized it slower because it to be that
0:26:36thin it has a fanless design and so it's
0:26:38got like this entirely different uses an
0:26:42entirely different chipset from Intel
0:26:44that is designed so that it could run
0:26:45and fanless Lee and never overheat and
0:26:48the air uses like this mid-range chip
0:26:50chip set that is low power compared to
0:26:52like the pros but not so low power that
0:26:54it doesn't need a fan
0:26:56yeah i don't know i mean they yeah they
0:27:02have spent I mean there's been a number
0:27:04of years where they've their entry
0:27:06laptop was 99 right and somewhere was
0:27:10even more than that I think but that was
0:27:12a long time ago
0:27:13yeah and they are in an era where it's
0:27:19increasingly hard to sell computers so
0:27:23moving your starting price point up a
0:27:28hundred bucks
0:27:29mm I don't know if that's good i mean
0:27:32that's not going to be great if you want
0:27:33to move units and there's a compounded
0:27:37with this is another rumor about
0:27:39Thursday's update to the mac line that
0:27:41the 11-inch air is going to just quote
0:27:43go away
0:27:44yeah I wouldn't be surprised if no I
0:27:48wouldn't either if it did if it vanished
0:27:50but I also wouldn't be surprised if it
0:27:53sort of goes the way of that
0:27:5413-inch ancient macbook pro that we were
0:27:56talking about where it goes away in
0:27:59terms of it it really is never going to
0:28:01be updated again not even like a minor
0:28:02spectra fresh but that they'll keep
0:28:05selling it as is and not even really
0:28:07promote it but it's there
0:28:09you can go into every budget yeah maybe
0:28:11the justifier even drop the price to 799
0:28:13or something
0:28:14yeah that would be really kind of
0:28:17amazing cuz I don't think they've ever
0:28:19but I don't think they've ever been that
0:28:20well no I think 899 is the lowest apples
0:28:22ever so yeah man
0:28:23for and that's you know that's been the
0:28:2511-inch air for a while laptop
0:28:27Yeah right right not counting something
0:28:29incomplete like the mac mini yeah like a
0:28:32complete blacktop system that you can
0:28:33just open the box and use em think it's
0:28:37not missing you know has no ram it has
0:28:40no ramp at all for gags a lot it doesn't
0:28:46have a battery kind of like it in
0:28:50everywhere you go and plug in an
0:28:54external art do you remember do every
0:28:55years ago there was a rumor about a
0:28:58crank powered man and i have left out
0:29:01that no I don't think side like the one
0:29:04has lab animals like with that after
0:29:06after jobs and come back and I think
0:29:11after the imac had been introduced
0:29:14there were these rumors coming around
0:29:17about the ibook and what it was going to
0:29:18be and and wanna influence like one of
0:29:22the crazier rumor sites was that it was
0:29:24it was going to be it was going to crank
0:29:27and what a boon that would be to people
0:29:32because you know for all those instances
0:29:34where you're running shine like if
0:29:36you're camping such comments of area
0:29:40right right and you need to use your
0:29:42laptop you can just crank power it so i
0:29:46know that there are build to order
0:29:47options I can make these prices higher
0:29:50but right now looking at the bio macbook
0:29:52air page there's two 11-inch error
0:29:54standard configs 899 and then you up two
0:29:58hundred dollars to 1099 and you get
0:30:01double the storage you go from 128 256
0:30:04and doesn't look like you can doesn't
0:30:09look like you get anything else that's
0:30:11about the only difference and then
0:30:13there's a 13-inch macbook air that
0:30:15starts at nine ninety-two that's weird
0:30:16and one that's a two hundred dollars
0:30:19higher 1199 call it twelve hundred
0:30:22dollars and I think the only difference
0:30:25there is double the storage from 128
0:30:29flash 256 yeah and it's weird to me that
0:30:32the 13-inch comes in eight games of
0:30:36comes with a case of memory in the 11th
0:30:39is not right i don't know i guess he had
0:30:42selected though can you
0:30:43you can configure yeah you can tell you
0:30:44can figure out you can see you get up it
0:30:46and you can see significantly upgrade
0:30:48the cpu you can go from a 1.6 core i5 to
0:30:52a 2.2 core i7 yeah and I don't stay up
0:30:55to date on all that stuff anymore but I
0:30:57mean I know enough about the basic just
0:30:59that going from core i5 core i7 is
0:31:01pretty significant perform yes upgrade
0:31:04right but they're not the standard
0:31:06configs and I feel like the standard
0:31:08configs really matter but what I'm
0:31:11guessing if i had to guess what Apple is
0:31:13going to do is I'm thinking that the
0:31:16entry-level 13-inch macbook air will
0:31:20still not have a Retina screen and I
0:31:23guess if that's true that they're
0:31:24getting rid of the 11 maybe it the
0:31:2613-inch macbook air will now start at
0:31:28eight ninety-nine but that it's a non
0:31:30retina screen and that if you want to
0:31:32get right now you're going to have to
0:31:33pay at least like 1,200 bucks yeah and
0:31:36then but it still seems weird to me that
0:31:38you could pay like around 1,200 bucks to
0:31:41get a 13-inch macbook air with all these
0:31:44ports and then there's the 12 inch
0:31:46retina macbook at this
0:31:49thirteen hundred dollar starting price
0:31:51like it just seems weird to me that
0:31:54there that they're doing a new retina
0:31:56macbook air
0:31:57the other thing i could see is that they
0:32:00upgrade is the other thing I can see is
0:32:02they upgrade the 13-inch macbook air to
0:32:04whatever the latest core i7 whatever
0:32:08mobile chipset is from Intel but they
0:32:11don't even really talked about it on
0:32:12thursday they just upgrade it on the
0:32:14website and it still doesn't have a
0:32:17Retina screen and anybody who wants to
0:32:19bitch about the fact that it doesn't
0:32:20ever at the screen you know by different
0:32:22by a different look
0:32:23mhm yeah that seems to make the most
0:32:27sense to me because that can imagine i'm
0:32:30going to take the trouble putting a
0:32:32retina into the air this point right and
0:32:35I feel like you can argue well there's
0:32:37other come you know the argument that
0:32:39hey like the microsoft surface has a
0:32:40retina caliber screen and it's only 999
0:32:44dollars or whatever and
0:32:45you know Dell makes these things with
0:32:46you know whatever they call read the
0:32:48screens and they're cheap and it's like
0:32:50you know apples never competed at the
0:32:51low end on price and if anybody gets the
0:32:53short end of the stick from Apple it's
0:32:55absolutely the people who are more
0:32:57budget-conscious that's just the way the
0:32:58company is yeah you know it's the
0:33:02company is optimized in my opinion for
0:33:04people who are looking for the best
0:33:06products not not the lowest price
0:33:08products
0:33:09yeah because the other thing too is in
0:33:14addition to the just the fact that the
0:33:18regular retina macbook is relatively
0:33:20know it's clearly what Apple thinks the
0:33:23future of laptops are there's also just
0:33:25the simple fact that they gave it the
0:33:27name macbook or hate it's like it yeah
0:33:29it's not like we're reading interests
0:33:32it's not like it's hard to read into
0:33:33that that by calling it just plain
0:33:35macbook with no adjectives that Apple is
0:33:37saying you know maybe not now but soon
0:33:40this is the standard this is what you
0:33:42this is what the standard apple laptop
0:33:43is yeah and it really is weird to have
0:33:47one's called air that are thicker and
0:33:49heavier like it makes no sense
0:33:53well yeah that mean that's just seems to
0:33:55be wide it's obvious that it seemed
0:33:58obvious at least that it was going away
0:33:59right so it seems very strange that
0:34:02there's these rumors that it's standing
0:34:04around I mean the other thing is they
0:34:05did it wouldn't be the first time that
0:34:07they have updated a model that's only
0:34:12been out for like six months because
0:34:14they did it with the ipad yeah they did
0:34:16that with the ipad 33 right and any ipad
0:34:20for came out like six months later
0:34:21because i have three was sort of sort of
0:34:23thicker you know it was the first
0:34:25retinol i believe right yeah I could see
0:34:29it you know and again with the pc stuff
0:34:32it seems you know that I don't think
0:34:33that they're anywhere near as
0:34:36constrained you know a component wise as
0:34:42they are with especially the iphone but
0:34:44probably the ipad 2 where they kind of
0:34:46need to get their ducks in a row and has
0:34:50a look we're going to have you know 70
0:34:53million of these system-on-a-chip for
0:34:55the next year for all these iphone 7 and
0:34:57are all going to be exactly the same
0:34:58like I don't I think with the macbook it
0:35:01you know it's not anywhere near is you
0:35:03know we need to be making the exact same
0:35:05device for an entire year just to break
0:35:07even on the on the manufacturer
0:35:11mhm a lot but i would like to see which
0:35:15is probably not going to happen though
0:35:16is it is an 11-inch macbook air 13-inch
0:35:18macbook like I kind of want to the fact
0:35:23that they've the fact that they've done
0:35:24a 12-inch now though that doesn't seem
0:35:26like that's gonna happen
0:35:26yeah and i'm not sure how the I've never
0:35:29actually put like the 12-inch next to
0:35:31the 11-inch macbook air and just seen
0:35:33how they compare because i think that
0:35:36the display does kind of go more edge to
0:35:38edge on the macbook like footprint wise
0:35:40they might be very similar
0:35:43yeah i think they are so I kind of feel
0:35:45I mean it seems like I mean I you know
0:35:47I've only played with one a few times
0:35:49but it does not seem demands probably
0:35:52larger than the 11 chair
0:35:54yeah let's see what the text back so
0:35:56yeah we can find that out so it is 11
0:36:00inches the macbook is 11 inches wide and
0:36:057.74 deep all right at the 11-inch
0:36:09macbook air is 11.8 inches wide and 7.5
0:36:14six inches deep so on dad yet it's
0:36:17almost the same but it is right it is a
0:36:20eight tenths of an inch narrower the but
0:36:25that the 12-inch MacBook is narrower oh
0:36:29you're right
0:36:30yes for the other way around I'm an
0:36:32idiot now yeah it was it but it's been
0:36:34traumatic but it's only for smaller
0:36:36right well but it's deeper right yeah
0:36:38but just by a little bit right so maybe
0:36:41with that design maybe what it would be
0:36:43would be a 14-inch you know maybe 12 12
0:36:46inch and 14 and 14 i can see that and
0:36:49then it may be the mirrors are wrong
0:36:50calling it third rage calling 13 because
0:36:52maybe it's one of those things where
0:36:54it's like I don't know 13-point
0:36:56something and apples just going to get
0:36:59close enough to 14 that Apple is going
0:37:00to call it 14 yeah I could
0:37:06as a way to square this circle as well
0:37:08if the truth is that there is no update
0:37:10to the macbook air and what they're
0:37:11going to do is unavailable big brother
0:37:13to the 12 inch retina macbook i can see
0:37:16that maybe even have a second USBC port
0:37:21yeah and then you have a laptop set 12
0:37:2713 14 15
0:37:29yeah that kind of makes some sense and
0:37:32suppose although i don't know if it
0:37:33makes sense for the consumer ones to cut
0:37:35quote-unquote have larger displays than
0:37:36the pro ones I don't know
0:37:38well I think some people some people
0:37:41seem to like that 13 inch air
0:37:45I've always been and always liked the
0:37:49smaller one but you know people who just
0:37:55want more screen real estate right for
0:37:57people who don't see the wealth i used
0:37:59an 11-inch for years and many years at
0:38:02least five years for 5 years four years
0:38:05i think and loved it but my thinking at
0:38:08the time was if you're going to go small
0:38:10and then go small and thin as you can
0:38:13and get light so i got a maxed-out
0:38:14performance-wise 11 chair and then when
0:38:17i switch to a 13-inch macbook pro two
0:38:19years ago it was on the basis of if I'm
0:38:21gonna carry something thicker and
0:38:24heavier i might as well get the the pro
0:38:27and get the performance rather than the
0:38:2913-inch air
0:38:31yeah yeah and I mean that I'm in that
0:38:34quandary right now because my so my air
0:38:39is forward years old and then my my imac
0:38:43upstairs have two machines upstairs
0:38:45let's do it used for a sort of media
0:38:46server things one is a 2010 macbook pro
0:38:50and then the other one is a 2007 imac
0:38:53and those are definitely definitely
0:38:56showing their age so I'm kind of liking
0:38:58that that space where I was like am I
0:39:00going to buy another like the low-end
0:39:02laptop just to carry around and do
0:39:05writing with or am I gonna split the
0:39:08differentiating and get together get the
0:39:09pro and do whatever power stuff i need
0:39:12to do on that well any other thing too
0:39:14is that by all accounts the pro I mean
0:39:16of course the pros getting thinner
0:39:17because that's what Apple does as they
0:39:18make stuff thinner
0:39:19read the when they finally got you know
0:39:21the current models when they are the
0:39:25world's first ones that you don't even
0:39:26have the option of getting a spinning
0:39:27hard disk in because they're actually
0:39:29too thin you have to use SSD the new
0:39:31ones are going to be even thinner so
0:39:32they're getting as thin as the air is
0:39:34used to be even if they're not
0:39:35wedge-shaped I mean they're getting
0:39:37there certainly approaching that like
0:39:39that so the air is getting squeezed out
0:39:40to me in almost every way imaginable
0:39:42it's getting squeezed out on thinnest by
0:39:44the pros it's getting squeezed out on
0:39:46you know retina screen by the macbook
0:39:50the name macbook tells you that you know
0:39:52it's becoming the standard default
0:39:55laptop everything other than having a
0:39:59low price and if the whole point is to
0:40:01have a low price
0:40:02I don't see how it's going to get a read
0:40:03the screen just because it makes the
0:40:07other ones look bad but yeah what people
0:40:09i guess the other thing we're talking
0:40:10around is the fact that there are tens
0:40:14of thousands of people listening to this
0:40:15podcast right now who desperately want
0:40:17Apple to just make a macbook air with
0:40:20retina screen probably true
0:40:23right but I really don't think it's
0:40:25gonna happen it reminds me of the switch
0:40:27from the classic mac OS to Mac os10 in a
0:40:31way where what diehard mac users really
0:40:35wanted was a new version of the mac OS
0:40:37that was you know just had the the
0:40:40better
0:40:41Colonel just give us like a real
0:40:43operating system with you know
0:40:45pre-emptive are not pre-emptive
0:40:47multitasking with right you know real
0:40:48multitasking instead of cooperative or a
0:40:50pre-emptive is the good multitasking
0:40:52cooperative multitasking was that was
0:40:54the euphemism right this is not very
0:40:58cooperative
0:41:00I would call it that prisoners dilemma
0:41:02multi-way about right way I can like me
0:41:11IDC i could just use the whole cpu but I
0:41:14mr. ask voluntarily not too
0:41:17hmm but I on that users really wanted
0:41:24I'm going to jail
0:41:25all the accuser's really wanted was a
0:41:28new version of the mac OS that had a
0:41:29stable modern you know
0:41:32yeah I'm Peter sighs perspective
0:41:34operating system and instead we we gotta
0:41:36think we've got everything was different
0:41:38and a lot of stuff that used to be fast
0:41:42was suddenly very slow to make it fancy
0:41:44etcetera etcetera and I sort of feel
0:41:46like Apple is doing the same thing with
0:41:48the transition from the macbook air to
0:41:50the macbook which is that what what many
0:41:53people I hear from them every time I
0:41:54bring it up on during fireballer on this
0:41:56podcast i hear all the time i see it on
0:41:58Twitter all the time is people like the
0:42:02macbook air
0:42:03I or love the macbook air and only thing
0:42:06they don't like about it is the non
0:42:08retina screen and so why doesn't Apple
0:42:10just just put our retina screen in the
0:42:12macbook air and they'll just buy it but
0:42:15I don't think it's where Apple wants to
0:42:17take things
0:42:18yeah well we're gonna do all right what
0:42:24about what about what about other other
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0:44:05but you know like Celie they they they
0:44:09purposely give their mattresses these
0:44:12weird names were if you go from one
0:44:13store to another the same mattress like
0:44:16if you cut it open as like a different
0:44:18name so that you can't price compare its
0:44:20it's purposely made to confuse the
0:44:22consumer and to help the the retail
0:44:25stores sort of obfuscate how much these
0:44:27things really cost Casper sells direct
0:44:30to you they just make these things and
0:44:32ship them right to you
0:44:33here's the prices premium mattress is
0:44:36from most stores usually start at over
0:44:381,500 bucks casper mattresses cost 500
0:44:41for twin 604 twin XL 754 full 854 queen
0:44:45in just nine hundred fifty bucks under a
0:44:47thousand dollars for king and these
0:44:50mattresses are made in America pretty
0:44:54sure it's still true if you live in New
0:44:55York City you can get them delivered
0:44:56they come to you on bicycle that's how
0:44:58small the boxes some some poor step on a
0:45:02bike strapped to his back and delivers
0:45:05it to your house pretty cool thing if
0:45:06you think about it that's how small the
0:45:07mattress is a mattress on the back so go
0:45:10check them out they have a new dog
0:45:12mattress to the the offer code doesn't
0:45:16work for the dog mattress alas but trust
0:45:19me I've had a couple readers who bought
0:45:21this dog mattress and and they all said
0:45:24that their dogs love it that this is
0:45:25like the best thing i ever bought from a
0:45:27podcast so go check it out Casper calm /
0:45:30the talk show and remember that code the
0:45:32talkshow to say fifty bucks on any human
0:45:35mattress
0:45:37but your dog deserves the best anyway he
0:45:43gets the best your dog sleep like in the
0:45:46same spot all the time
0:45:48no he has a he has an old futon on the
0:45:52floor that time he sleeps on that he
0:45:54supposed to sleep on but half the time
0:45:55is up on the bed my child of a dog
0:45:59Chester and I love that dog god damn i
0:46:02love that he was a mean little little
0:46:04love like a poodle mix forget what he
0:46:10was mixer I think like a Pekinese ok he
0:46:13was somewhere it was of it we gotta
0:46:15marry me pican easier mean Karen my wife
0:46:18had Pekinese growing up and yeah they
0:46:20were just seen by us look at ya
0:46:22oh yeah hit me a couple times but I
0:46:24deserved it I was teased them so you
0:46:26know I mean fair's fair
0:46:27I love that dog but I'll tell you what
0:46:28we get you couldn't tell him where to
0:46:30sleep
0:46:31I mean if I think this sure is a way to
0:46:34make sure he didn't sleep on a dog
0:46:36mattress would have been to buy him a
0:46:37dog Patrick no other max yeah so this is
0:46:47where everybody seems to be fuzzy is
0:46:49that what else are they going to
0:46:52announce so the mac pro is hasn't been
0:46:56updated said last update according to
0:46:58MacRumors was a July of 1998 was the
0:47:05last time that the mac pro was updated
0:47:08so it has been when it was when it was
0:47:10called DM the powermac 18 years
0:47:15encounter then it's unchanged in 18
0:47:20years now that is unusually long for the
0:47:23mac pro so yeah that 1i i would say most
0:47:27people would agree that the mac pro is
0:47:30due for it up there was blue right it
0:47:33was the right one
0:47:36I there are no rumors of a nut mac pro
0:47:39update but the mac pro is famously it's
0:47:44it made in America are manufactured in
0:47:47America so it's a completely different
0:47:49supply chain so any you know and I I
0:47:51can't help but think that it was going
0:47:52to turn out like five little quarter
0:47:55network very busy very busy operate like
0:48:02the easiest job in it is this job means
0:48:05every company guy what a graduate of its
0:48:08fully stocked all of this all the
0:48:10soldering himself just worn grooves on
0:48:14the dasi from those feet go up every day
0:48:18okay he's all cut up on westworld
0:48:25imagine the phone rings Tim Cook what
0:48:32and the update
0:48:36oh no all the sudden it as the phone
0:48:39rings he hears like a truck backing up
0:48:40parts all over i would not be surprised
0:48:48i have absolutely no inside info nobody
0:48:50has said a damn word to me about any mac
0:48:53pro's I just common sense says to me
0:48:55that they've either got updated soon or
0:48:58they've got to just officially say you
0:49:00know not making anymore we're not making
0:49:03it any more
0:49:04yeah but it just seems on you it just
0:49:06seems like they need to have this device
0:49:08in my weights
0:49:10yeah although how many I mean the late
0:49:14yeah they don't probably don't sell that
0:49:15many they're crazy expensive and they
0:49:19come with their own quirks but that
0:49:21there's a great looking device but but i
0:49:24still think that they really want to own
0:49:27or not own i'm not saying that they own
0:49:29it so but they want to be known as the
0:49:32leading computer maker for the
0:49:34quote-unquote pro industry whether it's
0:49:37professional video people people who are
0:49:39you know
0:49:40editing movies people who are
0:49:44professional photographers who are
0:49:46working with you know 50 gigabyte raw
0:49:50files you know wherever you you know
0:49:54whatever the program developers of
0:49:55course you know i think even for their
0:49:57own use
0:49:58it's a useful device i mean the imac is
0:50:00pretty fast and has a nice display but
0:50:02you know it developing software is still
0:50:06one of those things where having of the
0:50:08fastest cpu possible can definitely make
0:50:10you know your daily day-to-day life
0:50:12better so I i don't think that they it
0:50:16just seems unusual for me and I don't
0:50:18think they need to ever touch the
0:50:19industrial design again remember i
0:50:22should say ever but you know that
0:50:24macbook a macpro that looks exactly like
0:50:26the black cylindrical thing that we know
0:50:29it just has a new GPU and cpu yeah and
0:50:35you know all these modern ports like us
0:50:38bc and asset receptor just seems like
0:50:41something Apple should sell so i
0:50:43wouldn't be surprised at all if they
0:50:44have it ready to go on thursday and we
0:50:45just haven't heard about it because they
0:50:47were able to keep it secret because it's
0:50:49not going through the agent supply June
0:50:52that looks like a sieve right yeah well
0:50:56i think i think would be nice
0:50:57I mean I hope they don't i don't know
0:50:59I'm not in the market for one problem
0:51:00never gonna be in the market for one but
0:51:02I i agree with that sentiment that it
0:51:07seems like the kind of thing that they
0:51:08should keep making is sort of a even if
0:51:10it's just like putting a flag in the
0:51:12ground
0:51:13I think there's some speculation that
0:51:16people who follow these intel chipsets
0:51:20you know that maybe the timing isn't
0:51:22really quite right for a new mac pro
0:51:24because like the last update to the z
0:51:28online of proteins and cpus was you know
0:51:30like may or something like that so you
0:51:32think that maybe if they were going to
0:51:33do it they would have done it in june
0:51:35and now they're sort of like only just a
0:51:38few months away from like the next one
0:51:40with called like gravy train or
0:51:41something like that I don't think apple
0:51:44is all that I i think at this point when
0:51:46they've gone this far between updates to
0:51:47Mac Pro's I i think if there's six
0:51:50months late on the latest xeon
0:51:52processors
0:51:53so what right i don't know yet there
0:51:57I don't know that they're looking at
0:51:58keeping the mac pro within a couple of
0:52:01weeks of the Intel cutting-edge yeah I
0:52:05don't know what do you think well I mean
0:52:06I i think if you
0:52:08it depends on what else you're
0:52:09announcing with it maybe in and if
0:52:11they're announcing it within with new
0:52:13monitors then maybe that becomes the
0:52:17bigger story than right whatever
0:52:19processors in a that's exactly where I
0:52:22was headed ton so maybe the reason that
0:52:24they haven't updated the mac pro in such
0:52:27an absurdly long time is that they
0:52:29really wanted the quote-unquote next Mac
0:52:32Pro to work with the next a apple cinema
0:52:36display appetizing sold at this place in
0:52:38June since they discontinued the
0:52:39non-retina whatever they called it in
0:52:42another conspicuous absence from the
0:52:45apple product lineup is a retina pro
0:52:49display whenever they want to call it
0:52:51you know cinema display 5k whatever but
0:52:54you know something like the big imac
0:52:58display with retina resolution and the
0:53:01the high color gamut range and a simple
0:53:05it just works just plug this thing into
0:53:07your mac and you know you don't have to
0:53:10worry about plugging two or three cables
0:53:11in because you need to graphics cards to
0:53:13knit stitch together or whatever just
0:53:16solve all the problems of the bandwidth
0:53:18of driving the 5k retina display you
0:53:21worry about apple just give me a simple
0:53:23thing to plug in so maybe they were
0:53:25waiting for that and maybe they bought
0:53:27previously that maybe they'd have
0:53:29something like that ready earlier but it
0:53:31all kind of needs to come together it
0:53:33seems to me like some of this stuff is a
0:53:35it all needs to come at once and that
0:53:38sort of has maybe been the main cause of
0:53:41this unusual dearth of mac updates
0:53:44hardware updates yeah that they kind of
0:53:48want to move to this world where there's
0:53:50USBC ports that do thunderbolt and that
0:53:52can be connected to a 5k cinema display
0:53:54but it all kind of needs to come at once
0:53:58maybe yeah so I can i yeah it seems like
0:54:02I mean that's kind of their thing right
0:54:03i mean they don't know where
0:54:05other companies are happy to introduce a
0:54:07technology and say hey now we have this
0:54:11ok we have you have that but it doesn't
0:54:12work with everything else
0:54:15Apple wants to make sure that everything
0:54:16works you know at least you know in
0:54:19general works better together and
0:54:22creates and and creates a story that
0:54:26makes that tries to make that whole
0:54:28package compelling alright so so I think
0:54:32there's definitely something to that
0:54:34argument it's also the case i know a ton
0:54:36of people who connect their macbook pros
0:54:41to a display at their desk and that they
0:54:44therefore you know that so that like at
0:54:47work you have a nice big display in
0:54:50front of you
0:54:51maybe two displays if you keep your
0:54:52macbook open on the side you could do it
0:54:55either way and then at the end of the
0:54:56day you can just disconnect the thing
0:54:58and take the macbook pro home with you
0:55:00and you just have the macbook pro i know
0:55:02tons of people who work like that
0:55:03I know that here and filling my friends
0:55:05and happy cog a great web development
0:55:08studio or web design studio they
0:55:10redesign the whole office around that
0:55:11concept they just everybody's desk all
0:55:14they have at their desk is a display and
0:55:16then everybody everybody gets a macbook
0:55:19pro and that's how everybody works you
0:55:21don't have to sit at the same spot every
0:55:23day you can just you know just walk up
0:55:26to any open display and plug it in and
0:55:28you get power and display nobody wants
0:55:31nobody wants designers don't want to
0:55:33work with non retina displays anymore
0:55:36I mean it actually is actually broken
0:55:38heart you you can't design retina
0:55:40graphics without a radio display I mean
0:55:41it's you know and developers you know I
0:55:43know that they were talking about an ATP
0:55:45this week we're akc list was talking
0:55:47about how he's trying to design the
0:55:49retina iphone apps on a non retina
0:55:51display and you end up doing you like to
0:55:53run the app on your phone and you
0:55:55realize there's all these graphics that
0:55:56are missing you can even see them on
0:55:58your display you know really it's it's
0:56:01you know it you can do it technically in
0:56:04the same way that you could you could do
0:56:07an illustration with your eyes closed
0:56:08right just just may not turn out right
0:56:14you don't have to wear your glasses yeah
0:56:17you just take a guess as to whether it's
0:56:19in focus and again they'll be they'll be
0:56:23crazy if they do come will be crazy
0:56:25expensive
0:56:26oh I well I don't know but I mean they
0:56:29think well I don't know their to the way
0:56:31to expend more it I mean I will I will
0:56:33not be my one but what does what does
0:56:35the retina 5k imax started let's see
0:56:38it's not like 1500 dogs and it was
0:56:41exactly was gonna say 1,500 books
0:56:4327-inch imac with retina 5k display
0:56:47well now it's a little bit more
0:56:48expensive that starts in two hundred
0:56:49dollars okay i would think that they
0:56:53could sell that display without the
0:56:55computer inside for I don't know maybe
0:56:57twelve hundred dollars i don't know I
0:57:00knew but the onions and apples of 27
0:57:02inch display was 999 and it was kind of
0:57:06ridiculous about the end of its life
0:57:07that they were still readily hit 99 like
0:57:10that is part of what makes this
0:57:11laughable is I understand why Apple set
0:57:14a price and then keeps the price for the
0:57:16entire product lifetime as opposed to
0:57:18Del which sort of Dell's computers are
0:57:21sort of like the stock market where they
0:57:22get repriced everyday based on you know
0:57:24there are fluctuations
0:57:26it's true though it really is it's it's
0:57:29like you can come you know I mean you
0:57:30can configure the x-ray machine Adele
0:57:32like a week later and it's you know it's
0:57:34more like buying an airplane ticket like
0:57:36the paint anything about it and then
0:57:39lots of sales from other like-minded the
0:57:41time i bought my my kid up a pc laptop a
0:57:45few couple years ago for Christmas and
0:57:47and yeah like navigating that whole
0:57:49thing like well it's you know not only
0:57:50place this but this you know get this
0:57:52new coupon sale yeah okay great so I got
0:57:57you know I got what you know its do its
0:57:59it ostensibly the price was like 850 and
0:58:02i got it for 750 or something like that
0:58:04I mean it's like Apple would never do
0:58:05that
0:58:07you got a coupon and a Retina display
0:58:14type in this code the I don't know if I
0:58:22should tell the story and i guess i will
0:58:24take that was one of the worst things
0:58:25I've ever it at worst I ever felt about
0:58:27myself in my life I was in college and
0:58:33this middle of the day and there's
0:58:35africa i can think of
0:58:37actually forget forget the name of the
0:58:39student union even though i spent like
0:58:4012 10 hours a day in the building
0:58:42because it was where this school
0:58:43newspaper was and I was going in and out
0:58:46of the building for reasons that I no
0:58:48longer remember but it was some kind of
0:58:50task it was like first maybe like first
0:58:52day of a new semester and there was
0:58:54something me and another colleague from
0:58:56the student newspaper at drexel we're
0:58:57doing where it required us to keep going
0:59:00back in and out of the building middle
0:59:02of the afternoon
0:59:03nice sunny day and there's some kid also
0:59:06a college kid obviously be taking a job
0:59:08from somebody to hand out little some
0:59:11kind of flyer two kids coming in and we
0:59:16weren't coming in like every minute or
0:59:17so is maybe like every 20 minutes or so
0:59:19and every time we went by he would offer
0:59:22them to us as though we've never seen us
0:59:24again and then there's this moment of
0:59:25recognition and it's like oh you guys
0:59:27again and do it and after like the
0:59:31seventh time and he did it again any was
0:59:34almost apologetic he I said what are
0:59:36these coupons coupons and he said
0:59:40they're there coupons and I said well I
0:59:43only take coupons my friend who i was
0:59:48with almost died of laughter he said I
0:59:51can't believe that guy didn't just punch
0:59:52you and I was like you know you probably
0:59:54should of but because that is that was
0:59:58uncalled for it was not on call
0:59:58uncalled for it was not on call
1:00:00for anything at the time i was i amused
1:00:03myself to death with that but i'm i'm a
1:00:05changed man I've grown up I'd I no
1:00:07longer see this
1:00:08well i just i do see it is funny but I
1:00:11no longer see it as something that I
1:00:12would actually say yea it is definitely
1:00:16funny in think you know college I mean I
1:00:20yeah I mean well i'm not i'm not going
1:00:22over things that in Catholic but the
1:00:24funny thing i remember was that when I
1:00:25said it I didn't expect him to give me
1:00:27an answer I expected him when i said
1:00:29that the coupons coupons I expected him
1:00:31to give me the finger at that point here
1:00:33right
1:00:34he didn't even hesitate he didn't even
1:00:36hesitate he said their coupons i
1:00:38remember that he said there he said
1:00:40coupons coupons and I just all I only
1:00:44accept coupe
1:00:47I don't know what I don't know something
1:00:50about that I haven't thought about that
1:00:51so we're good yeah if that guy's
1:00:53listening you know Josh and also if
1:00:57you're free daring fireball teacher i
1:01:00started yet yeah I haven't thought about
1:01:02that story in 20 years so i just sent
1:01:06you a link this happened while we were
1:01:07recording apparently pictures of the of
1:01:13the the bar leaked in Sierra their of
1:01:17the retina macbook images of new macbook
1:01:21pro with magic toolbar leaked in mac OS
1:01:24Sierra 10-12 that one you know Apple
1:01:30includes Apple pay so there is a like a
1:01:33fingerprint sensor i also see that
1:01:38they've printed a macrumors logo on the
1:01:41return key and saw that I thought that
1:01:44must be them now they're doing some
1:01:47co-branding I guess
1:01:50hey this is the bank yeah this is got a
1:01:54dr phil schiller nuts
1:01:56oh my god yeah right here how did they
1:01:58do that I mean I where would I i guess
1:02:00this was in the help i guess for ten
1:02:03that time that one
1:02:05well I'll put everybody by the time they
1:02:07hear it will probably have seen it but I
1:02:08will yeah everyone's probably putting a
1:02:10link in the show notes we did you know
1:02:12that's nice that we talked about first
1:02:13is the way to go i have all could you do
1:02:18it like 15 minutes earlier because they
1:02:21yes they did nobody notice that I well
1:02:25that brings us that brings us to the
1:02:29next question I was going to have it
1:02:31which is that I didn't have it in the
1:02:34notes which is a what has been rumored
1:02:36and it does make some sort of you know
1:02:38simple sense that they were going to put
1:02:39touch ID on the new macbooks my question
1:02:44is where is it going to go like the just
1:02:47the basic idea of having touch ID on a
1:02:49macbook yeah sure that sounds it makes a
1:02:52lot of sense especially once you get
1:02:53used to it on a phone you realize how
1:02:54nice it is but where would it go on a on
1:02:57a macbook would it go on the trackpad
1:02:59let it go on like the jakey let it go
1:03:04and it looks like you know the answer is
1:03:07they're putting it up in this upper
1:03:08right corner of the magic toolbar
1:03:11yeah and my other thought is even if
1:03:13with this magic toolbar a would they put
1:03:17it in a corner or put it in the middle
1:03:19because it seems like by putting it in
1:03:21me is it going to be on both corners it
1:03:23doesn't seems like a waste of components
1:03:25to put two in but on the other hand too
1:03:29isn't it oddly bias towards right-handed
1:03:31users by putting in a proper right
1:03:33corner or am i over stand close i think
1:03:35maybe you're overthinking and I mean and
1:03:37you know unlocking with Matthew no
1:03:40unlocked i'm assuming that the computer
1:03:42locks with it too but unlocking and
1:03:44paying with my left index finger would
1:03:47be not really i want to receive either
1:03:50and i can write as a right-hander yeah
1:03:52but I put it but i would guess that it's
1:03:54it's um it's configurable because I mean
1:03:57that's the whole point of the thing
1:03:58right
1:03:59yeah but the whole thing can't be a
1:04:00touch ID sensor right i mean yes
1:04:03poznan that's right on yeah it would
1:04:06seem unnecessarily I mean I guess it
1:04:07could be but it seems like that would be
1:04:08waiting for you to one in each corner
1:04:11but right now it just seems like a waste
1:04:13to that and i guess i guess the power
1:04:15button is always been on the upper right
1:04:17corner so you know seems like
1:04:18left-handed macbook users have been able
1:04:20to turn their computers on and on him
1:04:23for a while so maybe I'm overthinking
1:04:25that came over sensitive to my
1:04:28left-handed friends maybe and maybe they
1:04:30sell different models a left and a right
1:04:31like buying all the clothes are already
1:04:37there
1:04:37there are likely models that have mac
1:04:39rumors on the internet like particles
1:04:41and scissors you can buy a left hand and
1:04:43foot problem at the left or have to go
1:04:47to the left or even though you know what
1:04:49bothers me about this shot
1:04:50really it does and it's it's I'm showing
1:04:53my age and I got it just get used to it
1:04:55but I look at this there's a picture of
1:04:58its it's showing I guess it's from I get
1:05:01you said it's from the help of of how to
1:05:03use Apple pay somebody is making an
1:05:05apple pay purchase the touchscreen the
1:05:07little strip has a cancel button on the
1:05:09left then it says Apple pay and then
1:05:12something in red that I I can't read but
1:05:14i'm guessing it that's as touch here
1:05:16yeah touch your ID de Appel 904 course
1:05:21is going to 326 books right can you get
1:05:23from apple for three intrinsic then open
1:05:25and you can also see what's on the
1:05:27display
1:05:28yeah no no they're buying beats always
1:05:30headphones headphones you can also see
1:05:33what's on the display and they're using
1:05:35safari to buy something from apple.com
1:05:37what bothers me is that they're running
1:05:39it
1:05:40they're running this mac with the menu
1:05:41bar hidden yeah I really every bombers
1:05:46full fullscreen fullscreen mode bothers
1:05:50you
1:05:50yeah I think you're going to enter
1:05:54you're going to say it doesn't it
1:05:56doesn't mean the Apple paysheet look
1:05:58like it's um it's not connected at well
1:06:02it doesn't maybe maybe it's okay
1:06:05it almost looks like it's square it's
1:06:06not that the perspectives of the
1:06:09perspective is off
1:06:10yeah maybe like yeah so do
1:06:14so anyway I guess we're getting a touch
1:06:16in text rip mama glad we settled that
1:06:21yeah presumably if it is oled they're
1:06:25saying it macrumors is saying it as fact
1:06:27that it's an oled touch panel which you
1:06:30certainly can't tell from the image but
1:06:32it does make some sense that it's oled
1:06:34and not LCD because it's going to be
1:06:36black most of the time or the background
1:06:38is going to be black all the time and
1:06:40all that does much blacker blacks than
1:06:43LCD and it's like I think the colors are
1:06:47still messed up on oled but you
1:06:48certainly can't complain about the
1:06:49blacks this is then they also say a new
1:06:56macbook air models all day same rumor i
1:06:58guess yeah well there's that particular
1:07:05they say they say new imacs or
1:07:07possibility as well I think that I'm i
1:07:10think that's true it just because i
1:07:12think that the imac is still sort of the
1:07:14you know it's the the default desktop
1:07:18computer I mean it's obvious that the
1:07:20mac pro or the mac mini mac mini and
1:07:23updated in two years so why not you know
1:07:26it's been a year it was october last
1:07:27year why not just you know just do a
1:07:30silent or not silent but you know but
1:07:32you know just take the latest and
1:07:33greatest from intelligent and stick it
1:07:35in the gut
1:07:36I can't see why they wouldn't do that
1:07:39yeah yeah I don't know either
1:07:43I mean but I don't look not sure why
1:07:46they haven't updated the the mac pro in
1:07:48the mac mini for write several years
1:07:51alright so wrapping up i think that we
1:07:54will see the new mac pro's I think we
1:07:58don't know what the hell they're doing
1:07:59with this quote unquote 13-inch other
1:08:02model doesn't make any sense to us can't
1:08:06wait to find out about that one
1:08:07yeah I I don't know if I bet on new mac
1:08:12pros but because it seems to me like you
1:08:14could lose a lot of money over the last
1:08:15three years by betting on new macros but
1:08:19I would at least like to see new mac
1:08:21pros and it seems like maybe they if
1:08:23they've been waiting for retina display
1:08:25maybe the time is right and
1:08:27it if we can have one will see both well
1:08:29then does it seem like I mean it i'm not
1:08:31sure these just updating the laptop line
1:08:36doesn't sound like enough for an event
1:08:38doesn't I don't think so either
1:08:41I mean we can continue about after the
1:08:42sponsor break the major there's other
1:08:44stuff they could announce that the mac
1:08:45hardware but it does seem to me like if
1:08:48it was really just if the only thing
1:08:49that was really nunu like this is a new
1:08:51design new is the macbook pros
1:08:53I don't know that they would have an
1:08:54event right so i don't know i mean we
1:08:58certainly know everything you know
1:08:59Sierra is already out
1:09:00it's not like you know it's not like
1:09:02they have new operating system to show
1:09:05yeah I mean you know the only other
1:09:08thing that ok you want to what you're
1:09:11going to say like well do the air pods I
1:09:13mean the death they would announce their
1:09:14partnership shipping
1:09:15yeah but that's not just the first thing
1:09:17that takes time in an event for that I'm
1:09:19no guessing that that's when they're
1:09:20going to say that because they did say
1:09:22late October and this event will be on
1:09:25the twenty-seventh looking over so so
1:09:30I'm hopeful i hope we're going to see
1:09:31Mac Pro's we'll see i'm not going to bet
1:09:34the house on it
1:09:35I i would definitely not be surprised to
1:09:38see that we have updated imax that look
1:09:40exactly the same but just have updated
1:09:42components i mean there's no point to
1:09:44update it updating the the display right
1:09:48yeah i mean that displayed all right in
1:09:49that doesn't that doesn't make any sense
1:09:51right it's already got the high color
1:09:52gamut and all the pixels you want and
1:09:56then there's that I guess the only thing
1:09:57left is the mac mini which I don't think
1:09:59they're going to it i don't i don't know
1:10:01i know i think that might be like done
1:10:04you think that we really well I don't
1:10:07know or maybe it's sort of on a
1:10:09permanent three or four years schedule i
1:10:11don't know i just wouldn't be surprised
1:10:13if Vienna I did the event comes and goes
1:10:16and there's no news about the mac mini I
1:10:17just wish that they would just you know
1:10:19stickney processors in them i mean i do
1:10:22too don't you don't have to change it
1:10:23that much just put some new processors
1:10:25in it and then
1:10:26hey I know it's all it seems like that's
1:10:29not that hard in your hands kind of
1:10:32printing money doing it
1:10:34ended well Apple's a very small company
1:10:36i think that you know I don't know that
1:10:38they have it but butter with all that
1:10:41bandwidth you know the internal
1:10:42bandwidth the update update a computer
1:10:47that doesn't even a display or anything
1:10:49mhm i would like to see them update the
1:10:51mac mini i would like to see them keep
1:10:52it updated i think the mac mini is an
1:10:54interesting little device where yes
1:10:57in many cases it's just the lowest price
1:10:59apple official mac that you can buy
1:11:02without you know building your own
1:11:03hackintosh thing and it is just somebody
1:11:06trying to build the cheapest desktop Mac
1:11:09that they can get away with or you know
1:11:10and and you know sensibly reuse existing
1:11:13things like the display that they've
1:11:15already got that's pretty if you have a
1:11:17perfectly fine display you know that
1:11:19this is perfectly fine low-cost math but
1:11:22it's also a device and I'm sure that
1:11:25like you know people who listen to my
1:11:26podcast are among their where it's in
1:11:29some ways it kind of is a power user
1:11:30device because it's the sort of thing
1:11:32that people who would set up like a
1:11:34media server in their house would do
1:11:36right where it's not like your power
1:11:38user where you're spending a lot of
1:11:39money on it but where you're doing
1:11:40things that most typical consumers would
1:11:43never even think to do em right like you
1:11:47know you are build like your own you
1:11:48know people i know you know people who
1:11:51sort of rather than buy an Apple TV will
1:11:53you know by a mac mini and sort of you
1:11:55know select their own software that they
1:11:57can use to drive their home
1:11:59entertainment system
1:12:00yeah so that maybe they can watch movies
1:12:02that fell off a truck and stuff like
1:12:04that it's not there's certain things
1:12:08that you can do if you just have a pc
1:12:11that you control connected to your TV
1:12:12that you couldn't do so there are power
1:12:14user it use cases for the mac mini and I
1:12:19always you know I like to think of an
1:12:21apple as a company that makes things
1:12:23that people like that would like to buy
1:12:24so i would like to see it but I I'm not
1:12:27holding my breath for but maybe you know
1:12:29maybe just like in the one fell swoop
1:12:32now everything uses USB see you know
1:12:34maybe they update the mac mini to just
1:12:36to get us bc ports on
1:12:38yeah I wish they would like them to do
1:12:40that too I i would consider buying one
1:12:43I've never owned one well actually I
1:12:44mean I haven't
1:12:45old one that somebody gave me but um I
1:12:47never purchased one and i feel like i
1:12:51might be in the market for one like if I
1:12:53if I go to which I'm kind of leaning
1:12:55towards right now is getting a macbook
1:12:57pro again you know I just this is what
1:13:02the IP that imac upstairs in that meant
1:13:04that ancient macbook pro aren't gonna
1:13:06last long either so and I mostly just
1:13:08need the need a server like a media
1:13:10server and so I would definitely
1:13:12consider getting money for that
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1:15:59there's a higher percentage of talks
1:16:00your listeners who who listen to
1:16:02podcasts or who sleep on a mattress i
1:16:09think it's gotta be it's gotta be
1:16:11listened to listen to i pod can i think
1:16:14i think what could good security or what
1:16:16were you know your numbers are in Japan
1:16:18no i don't but it's nonzero thee right
1:16:21right right
1:16:23uh-huh it's nonzero so I think as much
1:16:26as I can throw the whole thing off
1:16:28god bless Casper I love them and I think
1:16:30it's a great fit because almost
1:16:31everybody sleeps on a mattress and needs
1:16:33a new and eventually audible i think
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1:16:38podcast audience of all time because by
1:16:39definition everybody everybody listens
1:16:41to audio I mean in theory somebody I
1:16:44don't have transcripts every week so I
1:16:45mean in theory somebody could rig
1:16:47something up where they're making their
1:16:48own transcripts of the show and reading
1:16:50them but I i would guess that that
1:16:53number is smaller than the number of
1:16:54people who don't have a mattress
1:16:57they do transcripts are your show for
1:16:59when you do a live one I do yeah well
1:17:02yeah well somebody does it did that does
1:17:04it was that uh uh uh yes this time
1:17:09yeah already called one typed it up in
1:17:13exchange for their being allowed to
1:17:14publish it which was a good deal you
1:17:16know i thought i was beyond deal and I
1:17:19also pay a video for closed captions for
1:17:25those so that the video has closed
1:17:28captions and I forget what it is coupled
1:17:31yeah I don't know yeah it's a real you
1:17:33know it's a good not it's you know like
1:17:35this it's not free but it was it seemed
1:17:37like a no-brainer in terms of
1:17:39accessibility of my Twitter bio is is
1:17:43actually from that transcript
1:17:44oh really yeah because here i can't
1:17:47remember what was said about me this
1:17:49last time but there was a mention of me
1:17:52and then they they typed in the serenity
1:17:55typed in the crowd reaction which was
1:17:58laughter and some cause that's my that's
1:18:03my twitter bio I think that context was
1:18:05losing my introduction I said last year
1:18:07we had Phil Schiller and and though it
1:18:10is there was the i think was less than
1:18:12charitable environment this you know the
1:18:16goal you know it would be nice to be
1:18:17able to top it but one of these years it
1:18:20we're going to run out of room to top it
1:18:21and you know it's just going to open an
1:18:23orange and it's going to be bolts this
1:18:28year is not that dear i think that was
1:18:31it i think that was pretty close to what
1:18:32i said he's nice enough i mean i was
1:18:36heartfelt
1:18:37I mean I meant it that someday they're
1:18:41gonna have to put up with me
1:18:43yeah and we're gonna have a good show
1:18:45yeah look forward to that i'm interested
1:18:48to know what I'm assuming that this
1:18:51magic what the hell is called matchstick
1:18:54what do they call it our magic toolbar
1:18:57to defaults to just function keys when
1:19:01there's no other thing presented
1:19:04anything else that's been deliberately
1:19:06programmed yes yeah yes because o in
1:19:11Williams a freaky where he works now
1:19:16he's jumped around a lot was pointing
1:19:18out there's no like if you look at this
1:19:20like there's no escape key like that's
1:19:22the one thing that you that's on the
1:19:25toolbar that you would probably use in a
1:19:27regular application and like I think
1:19:30it's like Minecraft like there's no
1:19:32escape key you can play the game but
1:19:34there must be in much must just default
1:19:36to what's normally there if it's not
1:19:39specifically is defined I even in my
1:19:44days it when I was tell me getting into
1:19:47things to do my computer science
1:19:48assignments in the nineties on unix
1:19:51machines I've always been a BB edit user
1:19:54but I had to know if you can't you can't
1:19:57go through the old terminal and not
1:19:59eventually learn either emacs for them
1:20:01to some degree and at them is
1:20:05effectively unused I mean I don't think
1:20:07apple is all that concerned about people
1:20:08using them in a terminal but it's it you
1:20:11you hit the Escape key roughly 27
1:20:13hundred times admit it's like escape is
1:20:16how you do anything
1:20:17escape is like an orc amanda escapes
1:20:19switch modes it's it you know i just
1:20:22remember when somebody it pointed it out
1:20:24with the smart keyboard cover for the
1:20:26ipad that it doesn't have an escape key
1:20:28and somebody was like well how would you
1:20:30use them and it's like I got to do wish
1:20:33that they had put this guy use the
1:20:34escape key just did it get canceled
1:20:36things you know that yeah so I do wish
1:20:40they had an escape key but i don't know
1:20:42that it's I don't know that them users
1:20:43are on the front of apples on probably
1:20:47not just seemed headed for the mac
1:20:48though it seems it seems because at
1:20:49least with the ipad you could argue that
1:20:51there's no history of it because the
1:20:53software keyboard for the ipad doesn't
1:20:55have an escape either but it certainly
1:20:58seems unusual our friend Darth is
1:21:02already has an image up with the with
1:21:06the am with the magic tool bar and it's
1:21:10um it's like it's the time square you
1:21:13know message thing and it's just rolling
1:21:15rolling across courage
1:21:17alright i'll put a link to it
1:21:22they're OK is OK is quite funny i said
1:21:34this before it to me he's like the
1:21:36funniest like political cartoonist even
1:21:41going today and he was like all such but
1:21:44it's not they're not obviously not
1:21:46traditional political cartoons but they
1:21:49are political and they are funny and
1:21:51then you express comments the modern
1:21:54it's the modern equivalent right it's
1:21:56it's updated for the modern age carts
1:22:00tiny handed Trump photoshop like it when
1:22:06he does one for Trump it doesn't matter
1:22:07whether he mentions the hands or not he
1:22:09just always shooting system
1:22:11yeah and the funny part is is that Darth
1:22:16is also I he's I think he's really good
1:22:20at photoshop like you're at least he's
1:22:22good at what he does in Photoshop which
1:22:24isn't trying to fool you into thinking
1:22:25this is real but it's like it
1:22:29he- circle yeah yeah and I think he does
1:22:33with these things out in a minute or two
1:22:35I don't know he's crazy fast right he's
1:22:37crazy fast but they don't look like they
1:22:40would if i did it where you know clearly
1:22:41see where the lasso is to run around the
1:22:44hands like if I was doing it as quickly
1:22:47as he did you still see the marching
1:22:49ants around the selection i would just
1:22:51draw that and I think it's great shot
1:22:54what other stuff that Apple might
1:23:00announce this week like they could do
1:23:03like that something like their airport
1:23:07stuff is out of date would they tie that
1:23:09together with their you know home stereo
1:23:12speaker amazon echo type thing that's a
1:23:19good question i mean i've heard that
1:23:21thing is it is out there and and being
1:23:24field-tested I wasn't thinking that it
1:23:29was ready to go yet
1:23:30but I don't know but it seems like I
1:23:33don't either
1:23:33that would maybe help explain why
1:23:35they're having an event if there is
1:23:37something actually new to unveil right i
1:23:41mean the timing you know the timing
1:23:42right before the holidays would be good
1:23:43right if they actually are able to make
1:23:45it i mean how they kept it from leaking
1:23:47who knows but you know
1:23:50yeah that's a good question made in the
1:23:52USA
1:23:53I don't know probably got over that
1:23:56guy's been doing more than we thought I
1:24:00don't know but it's you know i would
1:24:01like to see it I don't know what else to
1:24:03say about it other than that it you know
1:24:06seems like maybe my understand my
1:24:09understanding was that it it was a not
1:24:13that long ago that people were given
1:24:19some units to try out so that doesn't
1:24:22seem like quite enough time like if they
1:24:23found like a real problem it doesn't
1:24:25seem like enough time to turn it around
1:24:27and do something I mean this seemed like
1:24:30like real alpha sort of stuff but I
1:24:35don't know but it sounds like you know
1:24:37even if it's a short event it seems like
1:24:38that might have room for something like
1:24:40that yeah I link to a thing
1:24:46have you seen this where there was like
1:24:47at the widespread internet outage this
1:24:49week you know I sort of slept right
1:24:52through it but me no huge parts of the
1:24:55internet are unavailable
1:24:56it was during the morning in the east
1:24:58and in some of the afternoon so yeah it
1:25:01seems as though wherever you know
1:25:03wherever during fireball is hosted seem
1:25:05to avoid x I didn't seem to get any
1:25:07complaints that people couldn't reach
1:25:09daring fireball but a whole bunch of
1:25:11whole bunch of big internet sites are
1:25:13unavailable because there is an attack
1:25:16on the DNS system and when dns goes down
1:25:19pretty much everything goes down and the
1:25:22gist of the attack which is interesting
1:25:24is that it was a bunch of like Internet
1:25:27of Things devices like like webcams and
1:25:30just internet-connected cameras and
1:25:33speakers and stuff like that made by
1:25:35these chinese companies that have all
1:25:37have like the same password the same
1:25:39password like look what I got not make
1:25:42making this attack up
1:25:44and added there's like a botnet that
1:25:45just just slowly but methodically search
1:25:48the internet for like it
1:25:50are you one of these cameras now are you
1:25:53one of these cameras are thousands and
1:25:56thousands and thousands of times but
1:25:57then eventually found a yes right noted
1:26:01the address and then kept going and then
1:26:03when they wanted to turn on the attack
1:26:04just told him all of these cameras to to
1:26:07do it you know distributed
1:26:09denial-of-service attack on dns servers
1:26:12anyway seems to me like a lot of these
1:26:14internet things of Things devices aren't
1:26:17all that secure or not and that maybe
1:26:20you know that I just link before the
1:26:22show started to it a two year or a year
1:26:25old story about the device makers
1:26:28complaining that Apple's home kit you
1:26:30know home kit was slow to make
1:26:32peripherals for because Apple has
1:26:33stringent security requirements
1:26:36hmm maybe that makes a lot more sense
1:26:38now don't all use the same password
1:26:44basket that's our stringent security
1:26:47requirement number one breaking and I
1:26:52mean i have i've got i know the only
1:26:54thing I've got is this one camera and I
1:26:56don't think it's one of those but it you
1:26:59know I don't even know how I would tell
1:27:01you come in your office and attacks you
1:27:04yes it was growling the other day but i
1:27:07don't think i think that was unrelated i
1:27:10don't know i don't have any other things
1:27:11to expect on this event
1:27:13ah yeah do you just not gonna be that
1:27:17big you know I think you know what you
1:27:19so yes so this is this is happening at
1:27:20the campus at the smaller yes it is that
1:27:23tell ya that will almost certainly be
1:27:27the last town hall event everything
1:27:30barring some kind of surprised emergency
1:27:33event sort of like the antenna gate or
1:27:35something like that i don't i don't see
1:27:36you know I'd they even said at the last
1:27:38one that this would probably that the
1:27:40last one was probably going to be the
1:27:42last town hall event so this one I think
1:27:45is almost certainly maybe they'll do you
1:27:48think that maybe they'll let us rip out
1:27:49the chairs
1:27:51they did that had no i think it was in
1:27:57Philadelphia is Veterans Stadium which
1:27:59is no longer there is a parking lot so
1:28:01built-in mic 1971 the bat as we called
1:28:05it lovingly was the home of the
1:28:07philadelphia eagles and the philadelphia
1:28:08phillies 4 I don't 20-some years you
1:28:11know we're growing up we had I only
1:28:13remember these came from but I now you
1:28:15mention that we had a couple of bleacher
1:28:17seats
1:28:18I mean I don't not bench seats but like
1:28:20wooden seats from something i'm thinking
1:28:24maybe the Jets yeah that's possible
1:28:26stadium
1:28:26yeah I'll bet before they built the
1:28:28meadowlands right right so they let i
1:28:31forget what I think was a phillies game
1:28:33was the last game in there is i forget
1:28:35it i actually forget if they were
1:28:37allowing fans to take the seats or if
1:28:40fans just did did it on our own like
1:28:43that but the guys working himself freely
1:28:46gave me with a ratchet set and just
1:28:48started taking the seat maybe they'll
1:28:50let us do that at town hall and take
1:28:52like a student here
1:28:53yeah taken recently we we not only do we
1:28:55use so we have those seats and then the
1:28:57other thing that we had were when they
1:28:59made the movie the natural
1:29:06in order to make it look like the the
1:29:13stands were fold they had these like
1:29:14like cardboard people that they put in
1:29:17and then they just like they'd
1:29:19interspersed real people here and there
1:29:21and make it look like a real crowd and
1:29:23so somehow i don't know how we got these
1:29:25but we had like cardboard people from
1:29:26that movie and they said we put them we
1:29:28put in those chairs for the meadowlands
1:29:30or whether from you know whatever was
1:29:32before the melons wouldn't because thats
1:29:35quiet know they had cardboard people for
1:29:37that i think is a common trick is it
1:29:39wasn't it isn't the story that in the
1:29:41medal ceremony in star wars that most of
1:29:43the people most of the rebels world
1:29:45where cardboard cutouts where they call
1:29:48it was a carburetor was it was at a
1:29:50mapping I don't know I don't know one or
1:29:52the other because that would have been a
1:29:53mapping but I couldn't tell you
1:29:56yeah that's pretty cool so I'm I'm maybe
1:30:02I should take a big suitcase with me
1:30:04yeah I should then it would W heart are
1:30:08carrying whenever funny trying to put a
1:30:10chair from down all into the x-ray
1:30:12machine and tried to convince they're
1:30:15trying to convince the flavors that you
1:30:16just just get the you know get the
1:30:19concierge people hella flores this will
1:30:21fit the overhead no problem they are
1:30:22they are small seats they might fit in
1:30:25the overhead
1:30:27well again I don't know how are they
1:30:31keeping them in there i assume they're
1:30:33keeping infinite loop and yes they are
1:30:36absolutely the internet loop camp there
1:30:38so they're so overflowing with employees
1:30:42and so need office space that i don't i
1:30:45don't even know how their eye they have
1:30:47a bunch of interim buildings in
1:30:51cupertino I mean I don't know how
1:30:52interment aaron is but i forget what the
1:30:58reason was i but i know i just know that
1:31:03there are Apple buildings in cupertino
1:31:06that all you would never even guess
1:31:08where Apple buildings it's not even
1:31:09because necessarily they're like secret
1:31:11like it's you know it's not like the
1:31:12project titan team or something like
1:31:14that just people working on stuff with
1:31:16that that there's no more room
1:31:18in infinite loop and the new campuses
1:31:20and open and so they're just you know
1:31:22anything
1:31:23you know I think if you own an office
1:31:24building in cupertino it's like salad
1:31:27days
1:31:29no I so I think my understanding is that
1:31:31infinite loop will remain fully occupied
1:31:33that something there are certainly some
1:31:34people they're moving to the new office
1:31:36or the new building but yeah they're
1:31:38gonna take up all the space
1:31:40well it seems like they might have used
1:31:41for Town Hall them yeah because I'm sure
1:31:43that you still have team meetings in
1:31:45there and stop fucking up so they might
1:31:47need the seeds i think they could have
1:31:50standing me try it just see what happens
1:31:55i don't even know why I want the seats
1:31:57there so they're very small and
1:31:58uncomfortable so I don't even know why I
1:32:00want 1i just like the idea of like me
1:32:03Jason snap i'll take them all right move
1:32:06sure that our report could probably get
1:32:08easily
1:32:08oh yeah Dalrymple yeah he probably got
1:32:10three already
1:32:12it's that's almost certainly broken that
1:32:15feel already breaking news we've got
1:32:20apples as we're recording the apples
1:32:22quarterly finally yeah that's right yeah
1:32:25forgot about that coming up
1:32:27I don't know that they had a business in
1:32:29I think they're doomed
1:32:34this just says doomed well that's it i'm
1:32:37just reading too many cooks remarks
1:32:39timko tantric Tim could not be more
1:32:42excited quote quote about iphone 7 7
1:32:46plus demand which outstrip supply that's
1:32:49you know no numbers applied to that
1:32:51yeah yeah it's your iPhone's above
1:32:56estimates yeah looks like they're a
1:32:58little bit above but they're still down
1:33:00year-over-year 45 million but he added a
1:33:03a consensus was 43 million so they sold
1:33:05next r2 million mac sales for 4.9
1:33:10million down from 5.7 but it's just like
1:33:13the whole reason that part of the reason
1:33:15that I'd was willing to record the show
1:33:18before this result says I didn't expect
1:33:20these results to be that exciting and
1:33:22part of it is just like we've just spent
1:33:24at 90 minutes talking about how every
1:33:26single mackinaw lineup is outdated any
1:33:29alright everybody you know so that
1:33:31they get shocked i don't think it's a
1:33:32sign of problems with the mac that sales
1:33:35are slightly down and it's almost
1:33:36shocking that they were they weren't
1:33:38down more
1:33:39yeah definitely he says that the Tim
1:33:44Cook says they're thrilled with the camp
1:33:45customer response to Apple watch series
1:33:472 and iPhone 7 and 7 plus but why the
1:33:50other reason that this quarter is not
1:33:52that interesting is this quarter ended
1:33:53at the end of september's so the only
1:33:55iphone 7 sales that are even comp you
1:33:58know it counted are the like initial
1:34:00opening weekend sales
1:34:02yes so I don't think there's anything
1:34:05all that interesting here every selling
1:34:08price for the iphone is up but down for
1:34:11both the ipad on the mac he know I think
1:34:13that makes sense because it is that's
1:34:15what I think it makes sense because i
1:34:16think most of the people who are buying
1:34:17a mac or the people who are not gonna
1:34:20say uninformed but they don't even care
1:34:22you know about whether it's a year old
1:34:24chipset or something like that
1:34:26mhm I wouldn't be surprised I would
1:34:27expect that the average selling price of
1:34:30the mac is going to go up next time we
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1:37:49what else we got I got a google pixel oh
1:37:54yeah what about that a little bit have
1:37:57any questions what questions you have
1:37:58for me i've been using it for about well
1:38:00you were doing a little own Syrian
1:38:04assistant comparison for you I have been
1:38:07yes you wanna talk about that are you
1:38:09saving that for right now I slow out I
1:38:13no idea it's hard to do I don't know if
1:38:15I'm gonna do like a big massive
1:38:17comparison but i have to say like just
1:38:19keeping both devices with me and doing
1:38:21the same things on both devices
1:38:23I I I do admit i think that overall i
1:38:27think google assistant is a little bit
1:38:30ahead of Siri in some ways and and the
1:38:33main way that I think it's a head is
1:38:36just in the way that Google web search
1:38:38is the best web search that there's
1:38:40still ahead of being and you know
1:38:43DuckDuckGo and other search engines but
1:38:45just things that you expect to find
1:38:47through traditional google where you
1:38:48just type google.com in a browser and
1:38:50type of thing in a box and you expect to
1:38:53get the right answer from google google
1:38:55assistant can answer those type of
1:38:57things in general better than Cirie but
1:39:02for the things i actually asked from
1:39:04Siri and Google assistant I they're a
1:39:07lot closer than to me that the
1:39:08conventional wisdom would have you think
1:39:11that the conventional wisdom to me is
1:39:13that google is kicking ass in this area
1:39:16and that Apple is serious a piece of
1:39:19useless garbage right i'm not i'm not
1:39:22saying it sounds like hyperbole but I
1:39:24mean I see this all the time i see
1:39:26people writing this this just seems to
1:39:28be the assumption that a lot of people
1:39:29have and it just isn't backed up in real
1:39:32life i did an example on saturday i know
1:39:37that it was saturday and i was I
1:39:38couldn't remember i don't know if you
1:39:40noticed I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan and I
1:39:43hadn't made in I had heard that I could
1:39:45remember when Dallas played again I was
1:39:47an honest question I was pretty sure and
1:39:49add but I asked both devices when does
1:39:53dallas play and I didn't say the Dallas
1:39:56Cowboys I just said Wednesday Alice play
1:39:58and I'm recalling correctly I google
1:40:05assistant gave me a like a a Dallas
1:40:10Cowboy score from two weeks ago which is
1:40:13not does it was not the answer to the
1:40:14question even though it and it shows you
1:40:17what it thinks that her dad heard me say
1:40:18when does dallas but Syria on the other
1:40:21hand I said Wednesday display said which
1:40:23team and offered me the the dallas
1:40:26mavericks dallas cowboys and whatever
1:40:29their ice hockey team is and I tapped
1:40:31dallas cowboys and then serie correctly
1:40:34told me the Dallas plays the
1:40:35Philadelphia Eagles next sunday at
1:40:37eight-thirty on sunday night football
1:40:39correct answer
1:40:42I mean and a lot of my examples that I
1:40:44find where serie works better than both
1:40:47Alexa and google now seem to be
1:40:50sports-based it seems like yeah I was
1:40:52gonna say it does seem like they they
1:40:54have to spend a bunch of time making
1:40:56sure that sports stuff works well yeah
1:40:58and part of it is that the I don't know
1:41:00part of it is Syrian what series says
1:41:02you and part of it is that they've apple
1:41:04has partnered with yahoo sports and
1:41:05yahoo sports seems to have not just good
1:41:08information but it seems to have it a
1:41:10structured in a way that Siri can really
1:41:13take advantage of it and you know so
1:41:17maybe I know my perspective as somebody
1:41:19who's relatively big sports fan is you
1:41:22know maybe better suited to series
1:41:24sports focus than people who aren't but
1:41:26i just think that the general idea that
1:41:28the google assistant is way way way
1:41:30ahead of Syria is just not true and any
1:41:33other thing that i just linked to the
1:41:34other day was a MK BHD marques Brownlee
1:41:39who does these amazing ya mutha ya know
1:41:42that he's like you know when i hear
1:41:43about people who are like professional
1:41:45youtubers and I see some of the videos
1:41:46and I cannot believe that this is a
1:41:48professional and then I see his and I'm
1:41:50like well he's like he was like born to
1:41:53be on TV
1:41:54yeah yeah and he does al the video work
1:41:57himself I've seen them doing it in the
1:41:59hands on areas at the apple event and
1:42:01it's amazing it's like he's a one-man
1:42:03studio it is absolutely amazing watching
1:42:05at work but anyway he had a comparison
1:42:09serie versus a google assistant and it
1:42:13was remarkable to me how many of them
1:42:14were exactly the same on both in
1:42:16response time and accuracy
1:42:19yeah and I thought you know and i think
1:42:22overall you surprised
1:42:24and you know what i found very
1:42:25interesting was i assumed that assistant
1:42:27was much better at the contextual
1:42:30questions where you asked one question
1:42:31you ask the following question that
1:42:33plays off that previous question I
1:42:36always ask i just assumed that the
1:42:38system would be much better and it
1:42:40actually i think it is better but um I
1:42:43was what i was really surprised that
1:42:44Siri on any of them at all right i just
1:42:47assumed that wouldn't that from question
1:42:49because I've never actually experienced
1:42:51about personally but I haven't tried it
1:42:54recently and everything it seemed like
1:42:56every time I tried it before it looks
1:42:58like it doesn't just like it's being hit
1:43:00on the head each time it doesn't
1:43:00remember what the previous question was
1:43:02right and what we're talking about would
1:43:04be sequences of queries like if you said
1:43:07hey what what is that
1:43:09hey dingus what's the Dallas Cowboys
1:43:11record and then after you get the answer
1:43:13then if you said when do they play next
1:43:15regular your query is when do they play
1:43:18next
1:43:18and you're assuming that the assistant
1:43:20can pick up that they means the team you
1:43:22just asked about 10 seconds ago
1:43:24mhm yeah i think it was he was talking
1:43:26about presidents or something like that
1:43:28and you know like how everybody was when
1:43:30was so-and-so born and how tall and then
1:43:33and then how tall is he
1:43:34who's the president united states oh
1:43:36yeah yeah alright you know and i think
1:43:39google assistant got that one right and
1:43:41Cirie did not likes it i think Cirie
1:43:44humorously I the google assistant said
1:43:46you know Barack Obama's six-foot-one
1:43:47inches tall and and serious gave him the
1:43:50height of the United States of America
1:43:52not perfect but there were some basic
1:43:59ones they like you know what's the
1:44:01weather where they that the exact same
1:44:05speed was always almost striking you'd
1:44:08almost think that they were hooked up to
1:44:10the same back-end given how how similar
1:44:12the response times where mhm an apple
1:44:15provided serie provided a little bit
1:44:17more
1:44:18like charts and graphs kind of stuff
1:44:22yeah and maybe that stuff comes from
1:44:23wolfram alpha I'm not sure
1:44:28yeah well there's one thing that mkbhd
1:44:31missed in his comparison and I wasn't
1:44:35fully aware of it either I kind of I I
1:44:37kind of knew this vaguely especially
1:44:41because i've been using their pods for
1:44:42the last month but then somebody on
1:44:44Twitter called it out i don't know who
1:44:46I'm sorry for not giving you credit but
1:44:47which is that Siri responds differently
1:44:51based on how you invoke it and so if you
1:44:55doing here Lee by voice with a hey
1:44:57dingus you get more back
1:45:01auto audio through audio then you do if
1:45:05you use the home button if you use the
1:45:06home button
1:45:07serie makes the assumption that you're
1:45:09ready to touch things so just for
1:45:12example my example for the other name i
1:45:14asked about when quote when does dallas
1:45:17play unquote it gave me a on-screen
1:45:20listing of which wich dallas and the
1:45:23three teams and I could tap it but if I
1:45:25was doing it through air pods it would
1:45:26be an audio prompt ok I wanted
1:45:31well we would just ask you like
1:45:33goodnight would name that I think so i
1:45:34could try it and get back get pregnant
1:45:37but you don't do it right now but i
1:45:42think i've seen that to where I have
1:45:44another at least one other Amy in my
1:45:48context and so it's like if i say text
1:45:51amy blah blah blah
1:45:53if I'm doing it through the air pods i
1:45:55can i can answer just audio audio only
1:45:58that I want to you know bring my wife
1:46:00not the other one
1:46:01yeah so that's an interesting difference
1:46:04but it's just i i really do think that
1:46:06the conventional wisdom on that we're
1:46:09serious stands compared to the
1:46:11state-of-the-art is way off
1:46:12it may be behind I wouldn't i probably
1:46:15wouldn't dispute that overall but it's
1:46:18so multivariate in so many different
1:46:20areas and they're clearly some areas
1:46:22where Syria is actually a head that I'd
1:46:24i do think that they're all in the same
1:46:25ballpark at this point yeah yeah i think
1:46:29i mean i know and i don't have a device
1:46:32currently that what we'll do that
1:46:35assistant so I haven't played around
1:46:37with it in a long time and you know I'm
1:46:40just relying out what everybody says it
1:46:42but it sure really is like conventional
1:46:44wisdom that it google is so much far
1:46:47ahead and it does not seem to be really
1:46:50that far ahead
1:46:51yeah I would almost say that if anything
1:46:54the conventional wisdom isn't so much
1:46:56under estimating serious overestimating
1:46:58google assistant em and again for like
1:47:02trivia questions it is a little better
1:47:04because it's just you know like it if
1:47:07you just treat it as a vocal input for
1:47:08the google search box but for a lot of
1:47:10contextual stuff it's not
1:47:12yeah and it doesn't know things like a I
1:47:16could never a current route couldn't
1:47:18figure how to take a screenshot on my
1:47:19pixel and asking Google assistant was
1:47:22absolutely no help
1:47:24yeah I really you know I'm not shocked
1:47:27that it wasn't to help but it does seem
1:47:29like if you're supposed to be able to
1:47:31talk to your device
1:47:32it seems like the device you know and
1:47:34eventually the it should be the case
1:47:36that you can if you're if you have a
1:47:37phone that has a bouquet assistant you
1:47:39should be able to say how do i take a
1:47:41screenshot and it should be able to tell
1:47:42you thinking yeah yeah yeah definitely
1:47:45that's it seems like thats that's
1:47:48exactly what it should get right because
1:47:52that's what they have complete control
1:47:53over all right i mean that kind of you
1:47:56know it's like you know spotlight for
1:47:57but by voice yeah the trick with taking
1:48:01a screenshot on the the android devices
1:48:04is that you press the power button and
1:48:06volume down but you have to press them
1:48:10at the same time maybe not quite it you
1:48:12know like the hundredth of a second same
1:48:14time but if you press one before the
1:48:15other it doesn't work like you press
1:48:18volume down even slightly before the
1:48:19power you immediately start changing the
1:48:22the volume and if you turn power and
1:48:25don't quite hit volume down within the
1:48:27very slips small fraction of a second it
1:48:30empowers you know brings up the you want
1:48:32to turn your phone off thing
1:48:33yeah i had i wasn't sure how to reboot
1:48:37the iphone 7 because it went Carandang
1:48:42both got theirs I hit that was setting
1:48:43this up restoring their their backups to
1:48:45their phones and at one point one of
1:48:48them froze and i had a foursome restart
1:48:52it and yeah it's now it's now it's the
1:48:55power doesn't know it's the now its
1:48:57volume button
1:48:58yeah in the power button yeah I think
1:49:01you hold down both human and power or
1:49:04something yeah and i think i ended up
1:49:05just doing it by accident because I was
1:49:06just trying everything is this i
1:49:08couldn't understand why it wasn't
1:49:09working when I was doing the home button
1:49:12in the and the power button
1:49:16what other you have any other pixel
1:49:18questions um I will say well yeah you
1:49:22know everybody seems to think that it
1:49:23looks I don't think it looks that great
1:49:24but how does it feel and real life it's
1:49:29I got the smaller 1i got the 5-inch one
1:49:31and I realized that FDI forget how many
1:49:33android phones i've had over the last
1:49:35few years but they've all been way too
1:49:37big for my taste and this is the nurse
1:49:39this is the first android phone i've
1:49:40ever purchased that is either not a
1:49:44piece of junk and not too big it's ok it
1:49:47is clearly a little bigger than the
1:49:49iphone 4.7 inch iphones I mean not just
1:49:53you know looking at it but it feels a
1:49:55little bigger it is a little wider which
1:49:57is the biggest difference but it's
1:49:58nowhere near as wide as an iphone 7 plus
1:50:01and so it's you know I could live with
1:50:03this is the size of my phone so I I
1:50:05appreciate that this that's the small
1:50:07one and it's bigger than the iphone 7
1:50:09yeah it's exactly as much bigger as you
1:50:11would think given that this debt that
1:50:13display is five inches instead of 4.7
1:50:17inches yeah and when you just look at it
1:50:19and you can kind of see that it has a
1:50:21chin and forehead of roughly the same
1:50:23proportions as an iphone you know just
1:50:25that basic you know the fact that
1:50:27looking at front on it clearly i don't
1:50:31even III could I think it's almost
1:50:32admirable that they're not denying it
1:50:34that it looks like an iphone it feels
1:50:36exactly as much bigger as you would
1:50:37think given that the displays a little
1:50:39bit yeah it is interesting that it that
1:50:43that's the stage
1:50:45that's what's going on in that market
1:50:47because we have some friends and
1:50:49in the her father recently bought his
1:50:54first iphone I'm after having android
1:50:57for years because he wanted you got the
1:50:59SEC because he wanted to smartphone and
1:51:00he could simply could not get one in the
1:51:02android market right now it's nowhere
1:51:04near sec sighs so there's yeah no yeah
1:51:06no clearly not a gaping hole in the
1:51:08android market at that size but yeah you
1:51:11know this is the tomb III think sony has
1:51:13had some phones roughly the size that
1:51:16are considered high end android phones
1:51:18but I've never used one
1:51:19so you know but what I find that really
1:51:21funny because that's always one of the
1:51:22things that people say the the advantage
1:51:24of the Android ecosystem is that you
1:51:27have so many different manufacturers
1:51:30that you're going to get a phone any
1:51:31kind of phone that you want and any kind
1:51:34of phone that you want as long as it's
1:51:35not a 4-inch screen right as long as its
1:51:39giant yeah right
1:51:41this thing's huge I don't know quite
1:51:45what that I you know I don't know I've
1:51:47always i think part of that is too is
1:51:49that they needed for battery life of the
1:51:50battery life is in general works on
1:51:52android then unless and ok i'm not quite
1:51:56sure though I will say battery life on
1:51:59this device is fine
1:52:00it seems exactly equivalent to the
1:52:02iphone 7 it with extended use well it's
1:52:06a little bit thicker one end right
1:52:08because it doesn't have a camera doesn't
1:52:09have a camera but it ended its like
1:52:11which shaped right I can't believe that
1:52:13nobody commented on this at the resort
1:52:15debate but where r activate the
1:52:16automatic product introduction where I
1:52:19was like if it doesn't have a camera
1:52:20bump but the it's thicker on one end and
1:52:23the other is it a web shape or is it
1:52:25like a step design where the glass part
1:52:28is thicker and the other part is thinner
1:52:30and there's a step in between any answer
1:52:32is it's a wedge shape a gent you know
1:52:34it's obviously not quite as wedge-shaped
1:52:36is like a macbook air right there is a
1:52:39wedge shape to it
1:52:40mhm I don't love that I mean people yeah
1:52:42well people were saying oh look there's
1:52:44no excuse nor camera bahaha and I
1:52:46thought well wait a minute there has to
1:52:47be you know you know I either people
1:52:49were wrong about the fact that there had
1:52:51to be a camera bump because of physics
1:52:53this or right or it has to be thicker
1:52:56one of the other it's up to you know I
1:52:59it's sort of an apple-like but I think
1:53:01camera bumps are on
1:53:02like I can't decide what would be more
1:53:04on Ethel I'm right right
1:53:06the camera bump or a wedge shape it does
1:53:09feel a little little on top heavy in my
1:53:12hand because it's thicker at the top
1:53:14than bottom but not yet much and even
1:53:16when I and maybe it's my imagination
1:53:17almost because when i balance it on my
1:53:19finger the balance point is only
1:53:21slightly towards the top instead of the
1:53:23Centrepointe yeah and the fact that it
1:53:26doesn't have a camera bump is nice i
1:53:29will say i mean i don't have a camera
1:53:31bumpy there but the touch ID sensor is
1:53:34extremely fast is it look good if it's
1:53:37not as fast as Apple's it's close to his
1:53:39fast it takes suspiciously shorter time
1:53:43to train an apple and i just reset and I
1:53:48find another iphone the other day and
1:53:50went through it again so the memory it's
1:53:52not it is fresh it definitely takes
1:53:54fewer lift lift and put it back down to
1:53:57get your finger registered with the
1:53:58pixel fingerprint sensor so either
1:54:01either they're actually training it a
1:54:03lot faster than apple or their their
1:54:06loser about right but I don't know I you
1:54:10know but I can certainly haven't had you
1:54:11know I've tried using other fingers and
1:54:13it never falsely unlocks the phone so it
1:54:16seems alright cameras good they have
1:54:20yeah so it seems like it seems like I
1:54:22mean some people were questioning I mean
1:54:25everybody seemed to think that it was
1:54:26you know at least as good as the iphone
1:54:27want it in some people maybe thought it
1:54:30was even better and then the other
1:54:31people were saying how can you say that
1:54:32look at this look at yellow this picture
1:54:34is and I was quick and see won't see any
1:54:36yellow with that picture of an order
1:54:38talking about you know I've taken some
1:54:40side-by-side I've gone out and sometimes
1:54:41in the daytime and and I had both phones
1:54:43with me and there was a theater around
1:54:45the corner from our house that that just
1:54:48got just blown up
1:54:50I guess didn't blow it up but they
1:54:51ripped it apart now it's a big hole in
1:54:53the ground which I for some reason find
1:54:55an interesting thing to take pictures of
1:54:57and they you know they both look very
1:55:02good to me I it is you know it sad you
1:55:04know I can't say that one is better than
1:55:06the other but they both look good every
1:55:08once in a while one will look a little
1:55:09better than the other i find that the
1:55:11pictures are way closer between the two
1:55:13than a lot of the examples I link to
1:55:15last week i linked
1:55:17a whole bunch of google pixel reviews
1:55:18and most of them had like side-by-side
1:55:20comparisons with the iphone 7 camera and
1:55:22some of them made the iphone 7 pictures
1:55:25look very washed out to me when I would
1:55:27just say the color it just seemed like
1:55:29they were much brighter like if somebody
1:55:30took a picture of a field of grass
1:55:31side-by-side that the pixel one look
1:55:34bright green and very nice and that the
1:55:36iphone one looked a little drab which
1:55:38doesn't match my experience with the
1:55:41iphone camera at all and I really makes
1:55:43me wonder whether what processing they
1:55:47were doing with the images to get them
1:55:48from here to there in my use
1:55:51side-by-side that the colors are very
1:55:53very similar between the two cameras
1:55:55I mean have a nice and I know what I'm
1:55:59not good i'm also definitely not am
1:56:02enough of a camera person to I mean like
1:56:05i've said this before but I feel like
1:56:07the camera topped out for me it at the
1:56:09the iphone for my favorite feature of
1:56:13the whole phone i think is that there's
1:56:15a system-wide shortcut where if you
1:56:18double tap the power button it puts you
1:56:20in camera mode
1:56:21no matter what you're doing so if the
1:56:23phone is often locked double tap it and
1:56:25you're in that quickly i just did it in
1:56:27you're in
1:56:27let's grab if you're using the phone
1:56:30like you're just reading your email and
1:56:32you want to take a picture of something
1:56:33quick double tap that button and you
1:56:36jump the camera mode and the camera mode
1:56:37does startup about as fast as you could
1:56:40reasonably expect ready to take a
1:56:41picture that's a really cool feature and
1:56:45I think on the iphone it's i I've just
1:56:49started getting used to the lift to
1:56:51whatever they call it anything raised to
1:56:55raise the way the front way
1:56:57yes and of my favorite aspect of raised
1:56:59to wake with the iphone 7 is you raised
1:57:01to wake and if you want to take a
1:57:02picture you just slide the the lock
1:57:04screen to the left and you're in the
1:57:06camera
1:57:07yeah and so I've really gotten used to
1:57:09that so when my phone right if I see
1:57:11something I want to take a picture of
1:57:12quickly i can take it out of my pocket
1:57:14raised awake almost always turns on when
1:57:16I take out my pocket and just start
1:57:18sliding to the left anywhere i don't
1:57:21have to aim for like a little camera
1:57:22icon in the corner anything anymore love
1:57:25that feature i actually think that
1:57:28that's probably a little better than the
1:57:30double tap the button that this pixel
1:57:32has but when you're actually already in
1:57:34the phone and unlocked i think that the
1:57:36pixel she has actually quicker
1:57:39yeah having something Universal niggas
1:57:40you get you can swipe up and then but
1:57:43that's not as quick as double-tapping no
1:57:45no and it's also fraud
1:57:47you know sometimes doesn't work right
1:57:49right double-tapping and I was always
1:57:51working remember which app it is but
1:57:53there's an app that I use
1:57:55oh it's actually notes i have a like if
1:57:59I'm in a note and now it seems to be
1:58:02working maybe and maybe because maybe i
1:58:04am maybe that got fixed in the most
1:58:07recent update but I was having a hell of
1:58:08a time
1:58:09invoking the control center thing
1:58:11whatever that thing is called the bomb
1:58:12and notes i did the thing where you can
1:58:18connect the pixel to your iphone through
1:58:21a cable and the initial setup and it'll
1:58:23slip over what it can and you know this
1:58:26I i put a slack that we're both members
1:58:28of but write it
1:58:30it's it makes the pixel look like a pc
1:58:34to know the iphone and you
1:58:37that's what the adapters the adapters
1:58:38like a USB a theme so the iphone will
1:58:41give you the do you trust this computer
1:58:43prompt that it's supposed to make sure
1:58:44you're not getting hacked you know so so
1:58:47is this just for pictures know it it
1:58:51will do all sorts of things including
1:58:52your SMS messages and my messages
1:58:55wow if well here's the there is a catch
1:58:58the catch is why you're going through
1:59:00the setup i have my my iphone backups
1:59:04encrypted I think they tell you that if
1:59:08you'd like to sleep over all that stuff
1:59:09you have to you have to connect your
1:59:11connect your iphone to itunes and turn
1:59:14off backup encryptions or encrypt your
1:59:17backups and then it will be able to do
1:59:20it otherwise it will only be able to get
1:59:21your pictures and maybe something at one
1:59:25or two other things I was like thanks
1:59:27but no no thanks i'm not going to I'm
1:59:31not that interested in it so i did to
1:59:32have it slip over all my pictures and it
1:59:36it didn't get them all
1:59:37I don't really know what the hell
1:59:39happened but part of it i think is the
1:59:41fact that
1:59:41got that obvious that is why i think
1:59:44what is the problem is i have i found
1:59:45iCloud photo library on so however many
1:59:49tens of thousands of photos i have my
1:59:50overall I cloud library they're not all
1:59:53on my iPhone so it only grabbed some of
1:59:55the ones that are actually present and
1:59:57then the worst part was
1:59:57then the worst part was
2:00:00it took 1590 of them and the day that I
2:00:06did this was October 20th and it gave
2:00:09all 1590 of my photos the date of
2:00:11october 20th 2016 yeah and most of them
2:00:15where I think what happened I haven't
2:00:18done like a full investigation but i
2:00:19think what happened is that these were
2:00:20images where they didn't have the date
2:00:22in the EXIF data that the date was only
2:00:26the file date the filesystem date my
2:00:29phone my iphone knows exactly what date
2:00:31they were picked by you know on my mac
2:00:34everywhere I've had these photos like
2:00:35they they were in my iPhoto library from
2:00:39back when I photo was a thing I've had
2:00:41these photos
2:00:42most of them were like 10 years old a
2:00:43lot of them were the images that from
2:00:47until like two thousand six or so I was
2:00:48I think about 2006 I still shot a lot of
2:00:51images on 35 millimeter film with it
2:00:53with an SLR and what i would do is when
2:00:56I got those photos developed
2:00:57I would have them skiing i would have
2:00:59the photo development place scan them to
2:01:00a CD and a lot of them were those images
2:01:03and I just think that they didn't put XF
2:01:05data and I think but the dates just came
2:01:07from the dates on the CD you know that
2:01:09files had dates they just weren't like
2:01:11official met anyway google gave me 1600
2:01:14photos on that date and it was that that
2:01:17that was an Irish I i think i would have
2:01:23been better off I I don't know that to
2:01:26me that the upgrade from your phone is a
2:01:27little bit of a gimmick i don't know i
2:01:30think i would have been better off
2:01:30setting up fresh ok it took it took it
2:01:33from a backup or United you just have to
2:01:36connect your descendants turn off the
2:01:38option because it was probably the phone
2:01:41your iphone was thinking I I'm gonna
2:01:43give anything and encrypted backup
2:01:45yes exactly yeah right exactly so you
2:01:48have to yeah that's a I didn't know I
2:01:50never really thought about how that work
2:01:51but that's how it worked and I no
2:01:53interest in that I wasn't curious enough
2:01:55about how it work to do that yeah I
2:01:56didn't realize that anything else other
2:01:58than itunes could get your i'm gonna
2:02:01guess that makes sense if it's not
2:02:02encrypted but I mean right that I'm just
2:02:04never had any experience with that
2:02:05anything other than itunes getting stuff
2:02:08i mean obviously camera there's other
2:02:10camera snaps that can grab
2:02:12photos but i didn't know that like
2:02:15things like SMS messages were also
2:02:17possible what else finger poop
2:02:21fingerprint sensor on the back
2:02:23no good it is it's inconvenient as you
2:02:27would know I didn't do there's not a
2:02:29back
2:02:29yeah it's where the apple logo is on an
2:02:31iphone yeah it's you know it's not the
2:02:34worst but they do have to eat you
2:02:36you do have to fish around for it
2:02:37sometimes yeah and you can't I can't
2:02:41figure out why sometimes i can wake the
2:02:42phone by doing it and sometimes I can't
2:02:44I just is not as good as having the
2:02:47fingerprint sensor where Apple put it
2:02:49yeah now could be that I don't you know
2:02:52got a couple years of my phone
2:02:54experience and that's a little
2:02:56subjective but i don't think so what
2:03:01else material it's the aluminum is
2:03:04actually like more of a matte finish
2:03:06than apples it doesn't really feel as
2:03:09nice but I think it's less slippery so
2:03:11there's a practical advantage to it i
2:03:14think it's very cute i got the black one
2:03:15of course I think it's very strange that
2:03:18they named the color quite black like
2:03:20which is a very googly cutie thing when
2:03:23in fact it's not quite black at all in
2:03:25fact honest-to-god the better name for
2:03:27it would be not quite black because it's
2:03:30very very clearly just a dark gray and
2:03:33the display is black so we look at it
2:03:35especially in sunlight both on the front
2:03:38and the rear its it is definitely dark
2:03:41gray not black so it seems very funny to
2:03:45me that they named it quite black yeah
2:03:48maybe not quite black would be even
2:03:49funnier
2:03:50no I mean you know we'd be like a funny
2:03:51joke and more accurate
2:03:54I what else and other than that it's a
2:03:57very nice phone i do think that this
2:03:59oled display I've compared it the best
2:04:01comparison i think of is looking at
2:04:03Instagram and I look at the same photos
2:04:05on both phones on Instagram and
2:04:08especially in in kit to me in
2:04:11incandescent lighting meaning photos
2:04:13that are taken indoors
2:04:15at nighttime the I don't think it's it's
2:04:20not the camera because the these images
2:04:21are from Instagram it's the display it
2:04:24makes people look sort of yellowy it
2:04:26makes it the oled display to meet gets
2:04:29it's a very orangey yellow a color that
2:04:33looks on that doesn't look like to me
2:04:34what a room looks like in indoor
2:04:37lighting whereas the iphone does so I
2:04:39I'm still skeptical about oled as a
2:04:42replacement for lcds on on these devices
2:04:44and then last but not least i still
2:04:48really dislike android well i hope my
2:04:54pictures like look good on my magic
2:04:56toolbar and i kinda worried about that i
2:05:01will say this lie I would summarize it
2:05:03like this if I could run iOS on this
2:05:05device how I would not be as happy as i
2:05:08am with the iphone 7 but I this is the
2:05:10first android device i've ever used
2:05:11where I think I'd be fine and I wouldn't
2:05:14hate my life every day that I had to do
2:05:15if i could run iOS on this device it
2:05:18would be fine it is by far and away the
2:05:19nicest android phone i've ever used
2:05:21that's present I could you know i'd i
2:05:25would need the entire three-hour episode
2:05:26of the show to go through what i don't
2:05:28like about and right yeah well have a
2:05:32good time on thursday
2:05:34alright think of myself more macbooks
2:05:36for me i will try to get you a chair in
2:05:38the chair
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