The Talk Show

168: ‘You’ve Got the Nubbin’, With Special Guest Serenity Caldwell


00:00:00   oh shit i'm so stupid [TS]

00:00:04   oh it's not that stupid but I i am [TS]

00:00:08   starting a new thing where I'm just [TS]

00:00:10   sharing an apple note with whoever's on [TS]

00:00:12   the show em okay and then you can just [TS]

00:00:15   paste we can pace links in there and I [TS]

00:00:17   get right now all it just says tts 168 [TS]

00:00:21   serenity called anyway the stupid thing [TS]

00:00:22   is that i was trying to do it and I'm [TS]

00:00:25   like why can I not do this i know i've [TS]

00:00:27   done it already and it's because I'm [TS]

00:00:29   staring at a Mac that's still running el [TS]

00:00:31   Capitano oh no gotta do it from my phone [TS]

00:00:36   such technology problems did you get [TS]

00:00:40   this [TS]

00:00:40   did you go yesterday anyway it's even a [TS]

00:00:42   lot of n so we're sharing we are sharing [TS]

00:00:44   this is my new thing we can't even tell [TS]

00:00:46   people on the air it's not a secret but [TS]

00:00:47   I'm i shared a note from Apple notes [TS]

00:00:51   with serenity so that we could paste [TS]

00:00:54   links and maybe I'll remember to put all [TS]

00:00:56   the links in the show notes that I say [TS]

00:00:57   that seems like a perfect use of the [TS]

00:01:01   shirt notes feature but before we [TS]

00:01:02   started recording i spent a minute [TS]

00:01:04   staring at my screen trying to figure [TS]

00:01:07   out how to do it and it was because I'm [TS]

00:01:08   staring at a machine that still running [TS]

00:01:10   back running l cap which doesn't have [TS]

00:01:12   the feature where is my collaborate [TS]

00:01:15   button where has it gone to I am [TS]

00:01:18   we have so much to talk about and how [TS]

00:01:19   that we're going to do it but this isn't [TS]

00:01:21   I'm excited here's what I'm excited [TS]

00:01:22   about is my last show was with jim [TS]

00:01:24   dalrymple and everything was still no [TS]

00:01:26   and I feel like you know like the phones [TS]

00:01:28   and watch em I don't think Sierra was [TS]

00:01:30   out yet i like talking about these [TS]

00:01:34   things more once I've gotten to know [TS]

00:01:36   them a little better [TS]

00:01:37   like I even said on my show that last [TS]

00:01:39   time I found writing a review of the [TS]

00:01:40   iphone after five days to be incredibly [TS]

00:01:42   stressful because I don't know what it's [TS]

00:01:44   really hard right so I'm anxious to hear [TS]

00:01:46   your thoughts now that we've starting to [TS]

00:01:48   settle in with these new devices and [TS]

00:01:49   both new operating systems but when I [TS]

00:01:53   was going to tell you is I'm like a [TS]

00:01:55   reckless I'm reckless with my iOS [TS]

00:01:56   devices i'll install the first beta of [TS]

00:02:00   whatever is coming out as soon as [TS]

00:02:02   somebody else on twitter says they [TS]

00:02:03   installed it and it didn't didn't blow [TS]

00:02:05   up we have same so my iphone my personal [TS]

00:02:09   iphone is already running the developer [TS]

00:02:10   beta of [TS]

00:02:11   fun 10.1 because your personal iphone 7 [TS]

00:02:16   plus this time around 77 I've just [TS]

00:02:19   switched I think saturday i switched [TS]

00:02:22   from my room plus review unit to my [TS]

00:02:25   phone I ended up buying for myself which [TS]

00:02:27   is jet black regular 7m h but I did it [TS]

00:02:32   but I had to run the beta because i put [TS]

00:02:34   the beta on the plus so i could take [TS]

00:02:36   portrait mode photos and then once [TS]

00:02:39   you've upgraded that device if I wanted [TS]

00:02:40   I wanted to keep carrying forward that [TS]

00:02:43   you know backup and restore so I have [TS]

00:02:45   all my stuff and don't have to set up an [TS]

00:02:46   email account and everything again so i [TS]

00:02:48   have to be running the beta here but i [TS]

00:02:49   find iOS betas to be just fine [TS]

00:02:52   yeah they've been remarkably stable i [TS]

00:02:54   think the entire iOS 10 beta really [TS]

00:02:57   cycle has been remarkably stable i [TS]

00:02:59   installed two days after dub DC for [TS]

00:03:02   running the developed the Deaf beta and [TS]

00:03:04   i have not a problem since like little [TS]

00:03:07   little things here and there pretty [TS]

00:03:08   little problems but but on my max I'm [TS]

00:03:10   tend to be very conservative I don't [TS]

00:03:12   like running that I don't run the [TS]

00:03:14   developer beta is over the summer and [TS]

00:03:15   and I haven't up i've upgraded my [TS]

00:03:18   macbook which I don't really use that [TS]

00:03:20   much at least I haven't been because [TS]

00:03:23   they haven't been traveling lately so I [TS]

00:03:25   i did install Sierra on that one but I'm [TS]

00:03:27   not my imac at my desk i'm waiting I am [TS]

00:03:31   exactly the same i did not install [TS]

00:03:32   Sierra on this imac until the day after [TS]

00:03:35   release because our thankfully we have a [TS]

00:03:38   staff and I more now which is really [TS]

00:03:39   lovely and Lori Gil kinda took . on all [TS]

00:03:43   the mac OS see Eric of richmond i didn't [TS]

00:03:45   have to worry about it so I had like [TS]

00:03:47   seven devices like seven iOS devices [TS]

00:03:50   running iOS 10 and no max in the house [TS]

00:03:52   right here huh i just typed up time in [TS]

00:03:55   the terminal so my imac's been up for 23 [TS]

00:03:58   days without a restart and it and i find [TS]

00:04:00   that to be very typical like I just come [TS]

00:04:02   in here every day and just hit the [TS]

00:04:04   keyboard to wake up there are features [TS]

00:04:06   i'm looking forward to I can't wait to [TS]

00:04:07   you know get the thing where i can log [TS]

00:04:09   in with my Apple watch and auto unlock [TS]

00:04:12   yeah that's kind of fun and enjoyed that [TS]

00:04:14   the last four days so I maybe by the [TS]

00:04:16   next episode I record i will be running [TS]

00:04:18   Sarah here and it does seem it seemed to [TS]

00:04:20   me on on my macbook where I did upgrade [TS]

00:04:22   the Sierra [TS]

00:04:23   that it was the a least inconvenient [TS]

00:04:29   major version of mac OS 10 upgrade I've [TS]

00:04:32   ever done it seemed to me like almost [TS]

00:04:34   nothing broker changed [TS]

00:04:36   yeah i have had no problems created I [TS]

00:04:39   haven't launched an adobe program yet so [TS]

00:04:41   photoshop still could be completely [TS]

00:04:43   worked and I wouldn't know it but i'm [TS]

00:04:45   pretty sure i don't i haven't heard any [TS]

00:04:47   complaining from my artist friends so I [TS]

00:04:48   haven't really run into anything major [TS]

00:04:50   where it's just completely broken or [TS]

00:04:52   completely a pain and one of the reasons [TS]

00:04:53   I'm so conservative upgrading a mac is [TS]

00:04:55   that iced I'd have so many little super [TS]

00:04:57   nerdy things that I install and setup [TS]

00:04:59   when I like i have a president like i [TS]

00:05:01   have a bunch of scripts are written for [TS]

00:05:02   myself and pearl and they require perl [TS]

00:05:05   modules from the cpanel open source [TS]

00:05:07   repository and you just type some things [TS]

00:05:09   on the command line and install them and [TS]

00:05:11   every time I to my memory every time [TS]

00:05:13   I've ever done a major upgrade of Mac [TS]

00:05:14   os10 I've had to reinstall those because [TS]

00:05:18   pearls considered part of the system now [TS]

00:05:21   yeah and that makes is just ahead and I [TS]

00:05:23   I accept it it makes sense to me but [TS]

00:05:26   then this time I didn't have to all the [TS]

00:05:27   stuff i had installed from Sipan was [TS]

00:05:29   still there [TS]

00:05:31   they finally the I you know the mac OS [TS]

00:05:33   engineer's listen to you and said you [TS]

00:05:34   know what we're just gonna make the the [TS]

00:05:37   Pearl upgrade process easier this time [TS]

00:05:38   is our friend in the back room that's [TS]

00:05:41   all of who i'm actually going to go tell [TS]

00:05:43   to quiet down in just a second there's a [TS]

00:05:45   new puppy in the back fellow she gets [TS]

00:05:47   really excited about my like having a [TS]

00:05:49   dog on the show [TS]

00:05:50   oh yeah people give it give it a little [TS]

00:05:52   bit of color people got very mad at me [TS]

00:05:54   like i said i don't like that [TS]

00:05:57   oh I i am an equal-opportunity pet lover [TS]

00:06:01   we have two dogs and one cat is out [TS]

00:06:03   there we go that brings balance to the [TS]

00:06:05   to the talk shit . and then the problem [TS]

00:06:09   is a challenge to the force a problem [TS]

00:06:10   with jim dalrymple agreed with are no [TS]

00:06:13   i'm nothing against dogs dogs are great [TS]

00:06:16   but I I grew up with cats are cats and [TS]

00:06:18   then my fiancé owns dog so it's been a [TS]

00:06:21   kind of like a merging of the households [TS]

00:06:23   where we go i think the last time we had [TS]

00:06:25   a dog barking in the background the show [TS]

00:06:27   was Joanna stern when she had a her dog [TS]

00:06:30   is really not be and I think I think an [TS]

00:06:32   accident in the room while she was on [TS]

00:06:33   the show are now his comic gold [TS]

00:06:36   yep yep it's like okay let's talk about [TS]

00:06:39   macbooks oh wait wait if I don't know so [TS]

00:06:42   it seems to me like Apple as their [TS]

00:06:44   upgrade mojo in place I and it just [TS]

00:06:48   scanning the internet it seems like [TS]

00:06:50   there were relatively few people whose [TS]

00:06:52   you know seemingly on Twitter had any [TS]

00:06:54   kind of problem upgrading either to iOS [TS]

00:06:56   10 or to Sierra yeah and honestly this [TS]

00:07:00   is probably when one of the smoother [TS]

00:07:02   upgrade cycles that I've that I've seen [TS]

00:07:04   on I on the on the Twitter webs i ate [TS]

00:07:08   the only thing I've really seen [TS]

00:07:09   complaints about the home button and [TS]

00:07:11   even those who kind of tapered off after [TS]

00:07:13   the first couple days you know they were [TS]

00:07:14   the their the outrages of Lake why [TS]

00:07:16   doesn't my slide to unlock work and even [TS]

00:07:19   my personal trainer when I want to saw [TS]

00:07:21   her lap see her last week she was she [TS]

00:07:23   was very outraged at the idea of of [TS]

00:07:25   having to change her home her unlocked [TS]

00:07:27   behavior and then when I saw her the the [TS]

00:07:29   next week she's like yeah I've gotten [TS]

00:07:31   used to it it's fine [TS]

00:07:32   that's an interesting change because [TS]

00:07:33   it's one that I I've heard that too from [TS]

00:07:36   you know real people and I've they what [TS]

00:07:41   I recall is I think I started running [TS]

00:07:43   the second developer beta maybe the [TS]

00:07:45   third because i had like i was traveling [TS]

00:07:47   in early July and I didn't want to take [TS]

00:07:49   a chance while I was traveling so as [TS]

00:07:51   soon as we got home from a trip in july [TS]

00:07:53   that's when I started running the [TS]

00:07:54   developer betas on my iPhone and I've at [TS]

00:07:57   first like anybody else i was confused [TS]

00:08:00   it seemed like getting into getting past [TS]

00:08:02   the lock screen was weird and I just [TS]

00:08:05   thought it but I remember thinking was I [TS]

00:08:07   it's a beta i'm sure they'll figure this [TS]

00:08:09   out by the end of the summer and they [TS]

00:08:11   didn't really I don't think they [TS]

00:08:12   actually changed anything it's just that [TS]

00:08:14   eventually I I it became the new normal [TS]

00:08:17   to me [TS]

00:08:18   yeah it gets you get comfortable with it [TS]

00:08:19   and then you switch back to a device [TS]

00:08:21   running iOS 9 and you're like why won't [TS]

00:08:23   you [TS]

00:08:23   what what I'm just I'm trying to unlock [TS]

00:08:25   you them and it's just seems normal now [TS]

00:08:29   although I guess it's I guess it is it [TS]

00:08:32   are there still a lot of people who [TS]

00:08:33   don't have touch ID i don't think there [TS]

00:08:35   are a ton of people who don't have touch [TS]

00:08:37   ID but the like my personal trainer [TS]

00:08:40   who's talking she's like I've never put [TS]

00:08:42   a passcode on my iPhone and immediately [TS]

00:08:44   I told her well here's one cure the [TS]

00:08:46   reasons why you should put a passcode [TS]

00:08:47   and touch ID on your iPhone [TS]

00:08:49   but there are a lot of people who still [TS]

00:08:50   don't do pass codes and don't do touch [TS]

00:08:52   ID despite having touch ID enabled [TS]

00:08:54   iphones we boggles my mind that's so [TS]

00:08:57   easy that would be an interesting wonder [TS]

00:08:59   what that is I've always thought and I [TS]

00:09:01   think I do think it's true that the [TS]

00:09:03   original slide to unlock a witch you [TS]

00:09:08   know Apple if bragged about it was a big [TS]

00:09:10   part of the original iphone the [TS]

00:09:13   habitation that was a part of the ads it [TS]

00:09:15   was a part of the brand it was actually [TS]

00:09:17   a big part of their lawsuits with [TS]

00:09:19   samsung system i forget i think they [TS]

00:09:22   sued other people to write and it was [TS]

00:09:24   movies held up it was like apple's [TS]

00:09:26   version of of Amazon's one click you [TS]

00:09:28   know like this is a ridiculous thing to [TS]

00:09:30   be able to patent know this is actually [TS]

00:09:32   genius you know arguments on both sides [TS]

00:09:34   should be able to patent an idea that's [TS]

00:09:36   so simple blah blah blah i really do [TS]

00:09:38   think that that feature was designed for [TS]

00:09:41   a phone that doesn't have a passcode [TS]

00:09:44   oh yeah it's I mean it was designed in [TS]

00:09:46   kind of the pre pasco era where I I [TS]

00:09:50   don't think until my iphone4 that I [TS]

00:09:52   really ever thought about having [TS]

00:09:53   passcodes on my devices or thought [TS]

00:09:55   seriously about like what it meant to [TS]

00:09:57   protect the information that was on my [TS]

00:10:00   device because the iphone 3g and 3gs I [TS]

00:10:03   feel like all i all i had on those [TS]

00:10:05   phones were like Twitter and and the [TS]

00:10:08   camera app and I wasn't you know taking [TS]

00:10:10   any pictures that were particularly [TS]

00:10:12   sensitive and I wasn't doing a ton of [TS]

00:10:13   banking on my phone because 3g networks [TS]

00:10:16   at that point we're still slow but now I [TS]

00:10:18   mean you know my-my 7 plus i feel like i [TS]

00:10:21   can pretty much do my entire job on it [TS]

00:10:23   I've you know I don't need another I [TS]

00:10:25   don't need a computer for some things [TS]

00:10:27   now I think that's definitely true [TS]

00:10:29   yeah that's what I hear it from so many [TS]

00:10:32   people but i just think we just didn't I [TS]

00:10:35   don't know a quickie the whole industry [TS]

00:10:36   both on the the company's side like [TS]

00:10:41   apples side as the creator of this [TS]

00:10:43   device and this operating system and on [TS]

00:10:46   the consumer side and in it on our site [TS]

00:10:48   is people who write about this stuff [TS]

00:10:50   the last decade has been a real [TS]

00:10:52   eye-opener in terms of privacy and [TS]

00:10:55   security like I think before that we [TS]

00:10:57   actually only thought of security as [TS]

00:10:58   security that goes through bugs you know [TS]

00:11:00   like oh there's a [TS]

00:11:02   and exploits in windows XP and if you'd [TS]

00:11:06   all you have to do is visit this website [TS]

00:11:07   and you know at code can get run locally [TS]

00:11:11   with full privileges under on your [TS]

00:11:12   computer and you're in trouble and [TS]

00:11:14   that's what we thought of it as as [TS]

00:11:15   opposed to like just the privacy aspects [TS]

00:11:18   of this system it doesn't have any bugs [TS]

00:11:20   it's working as designed but if somebody [TS]

00:11:23   picks up your phone and plugs into [TS]

00:11:24   itunes they'll just be able to see all [TS]

00:11:26   your stuff you know [TS]

00:11:28   yeah yeah and it's i mean the the scary [TS]

00:11:32   thing about that is really the social [TS]

00:11:35   engineering part of it where it even [TS]

00:11:37   even I think until really we got it with [TS]

00:11:40   Snowden and we got it with even mr. [TS]

00:11:43   robot of all things alerting people to [TS]

00:11:45   the idea of like yeah if people know [TS]

00:11:48   your security questions or a couple of [TS]

00:11:49   facts about you they can pretty much [TS]

00:11:51   take over your life like I remember [TS]

00:11:52   doing a mat Honan species from a few [TS]

00:11:54   years ago [TS]

00:11:55   yeah yeah about his password dilemmas [TS]

00:11:57   and troubles and how basically somebody [TS]

00:11:59   took over all of his stuff and like that [TS]

00:12:01   that kind of stuff is I think an [TS]

00:12:03   eye-opener for a definitely was an [TS]

00:12:05   eye-opener for a lot of the tech [TS]

00:12:07   concerted audience but it's still I [TS]

00:12:09   think making its way towards the general [TS]

00:12:11   public the general public is worried [TS]

00:12:13   about security and this broad nebulous [TS]

00:12:15   idea but they don't really think about [TS]

00:12:17   it on a very discreet you know [TS]

00:12:19   individual basis like like talking to my [TS]

00:12:21   personal trainer if someone picks up if [TS]

00:12:23   you go to Africa and someone picks up [TS]

00:12:25   your phone [TS]

00:12:26   they could basically steal your identity [TS]

00:12:29   no problem [TS]

00:12:30   true she was going to Africa it's not [TS]

00:12:33   just like random picking Africa picking [TS]

00:12:36   on africa and i also think the iphone [TS]

00:12:38   and that therefore iOS particular also [TS]

00:12:41   started on are on the wrong foot in some [TS]

00:12:43   ways because it's in some ways I think [TS]

00:12:46   Apple had conceived of it as as much as [TS]

00:12:49   the successor to the ipod as it was to [TS]

00:12:54   the mac and so yes there were some you [TS]

00:12:57   know some aspects of whatever you want [TS]

00:12:59   to call the original the original [TS]

00:13:00   version of iOS when I think of it didn't [TS]

00:13:02   even have a name it was called like [TS]

00:13:04   iphone OS iphone OS yeah and even had [TS]

00:13:07   like marketing material that they even [TS]

00:13:09   called it OS 10 it was like runs OS 10 [TS]

00:13:11   you know they didn't know what to call [TS]

00:13:12   it at first but a lot of it was [TS]

00:13:15   was a sort of stripped out by the idea [TS]

00:13:18   that it was sort of more like an ipod [TS]

00:13:20   which never had any real sort of [TS]

00:13:22   security right you you could always just [TS]

00:13:24   plug an ipod into another computer and [TS]

00:13:26   see what was on it [TS]

00:13:27   oh you had drm music for a long time are [TS]

00:13:30   you have music it was one way transfer [TS]

00:13:31   basically he was really more on the the [TS]

00:13:34   format of the files you bought from the [TS]

00:13:36   store than the device itself mom and you [TS]

00:13:40   know just wasn't a protective device i [TS]

00:13:42   mean you could really just plug somebody [TS]

00:13:43   else's iphone into your you know your [TS]

00:13:45   mac and you know communicate over USB so [TS]

00:13:49   they had you know obviously come a long [TS]

00:13:50   way from there to here and i do think [TS]

00:13:52   that the slide to unlock just didn't [TS]

00:13:54   really fit you know touch ID is slide [TS]

00:13:57   and slide to unlock for the modern [TS]

00:14:00   secure world [TS]

00:14:02   yeah it's the this is the easy way to [TS]

00:14:04   open your phone after you've put it some [TS]

00:14:08   level of security know and especially as [TS]

00:14:10   they rolled out touch ID to more places [TS]

00:14:12   including like on iOS 10 a little [TS]

00:14:15   feature that I even noticed today is if [TS]

00:14:17   you go into a Apple music and you're [TS]

00:14:18   signing into your user account you as [TS]

00:14:22   long as you have touch ID enabled for [TS]

00:14:23   for iTunes you can now use your [TS]

00:14:25   fingerprint for that you don't even have [TS]

00:14:27   to enter in your password and like these [TS]

00:14:28   weird random places of the OS which I [TS]

00:14:31   think was even still a thing and in iOS [TS]

00:14:33   9 where they were still like some areas [TS]

00:14:35   where you had to type out your long [TS]

00:14:36   complicated password and now it's all [TS]

00:14:38   like as long as you're already in the [TS]

00:14:40   system you can authorize just about [TS]

00:14:42   anything with with a touch ID [TS]

00:14:44   fingerprint it does seem like I've had [TS]

00:14:46   to type my passwords in fewer times it [TS]

00:14:48   and again one of the little things that [TS]

00:14:49   it seems like it's so annoying that we [TS]

00:14:54   notice it when we're getting badgered by [TS]

00:14:56   and we yell at apple for it and then we [TS]

00:14:58   don't really notice when they fix it and [TS]

00:15:00   so we don't have to give them the little [TS]

00:15:01   pat on the head and say thank you Apple [TS]

00:15:03   you know yeah it did that the number of [TS]

00:15:06   times where i used to have to I just be [TS]

00:15:08   out and I would just get prompted for my [TS]

00:15:10   my iCloud password and it would even [TS]

00:15:13   tell me why right it's just like it's [TS]

00:15:15   just like this random thing right but it [TS]

00:15:18   does seem to me anecdotally at least for [TS]

00:15:20   me personally that I i don't see that as [TS]

00:15:22   much as I almost never it's almost never [TS]

00:15:24   inexplicable it's always got like a next [TS]

00:15:27   time [TS]

00:15:27   action therefore I don't feel bad about [TS]

00:15:29   it mhm so good good 24 apple on that so [TS]

00:15:33   beforehand on the back before we get [TS]

00:15:34   into details let's while we're on this [TS]

00:15:36   subject let's try to lie i have a at [TS]

00:15:39   least one but think about the things [TS]

00:15:41   that Apple still has a lot of you know [TS]

00:15:44   where they falling short on their [TS]

00:15:46   upgrade you know when you upgrade [TS]

00:15:49   devices [TS]

00:15:50   overall I think they're getting really [TS]

00:15:51   good at it but i'll give you an example [TS]

00:15:53   and i know this is gotta be worse for [TS]

00:15:55   you than me because I think you have [TS]

00:15:57   more apple watches yet i was gonna say [TS]

00:15:59   20 it is their example involve upgrading [TS]

00:16:01   to a new Apple watch and creating time [TS]

00:16:04   to Apple watch is the worst it [TS]

00:16:07   yeah takes forever and if you forget to [TS]

00:16:10   do it in the right order you've got to [TS]

00:16:12   start all over from scratch [TS]

00:16:14   you just want to say it that you want to [TS]

00:16:16   put like a don't know what the head to [TS]

00:16:18   the desk kind of a thing it's it's very [TS]

00:16:20   frustrating especially I don't you know [TS]

00:16:22   as as people who are dealing with review [TS]

00:16:25   units having certain Apple watch is [TS]

00:16:27   paired to certain devices and some of [TS]

00:16:29   them being backups of your old phone and [TS]

00:16:31   some of them not being backups of your [TS]

00:16:33   old phone and then trying to switch [TS]

00:16:35   those watches from one device to another [TS]

00:16:37   is pretty much impossible unless they're [TS]

00:16:38   on your Apple ID and on your specific [TS]

00:16:40   back up there basically tied to the [TS]

00:16:42   phone and that's that that's the thing [TS]

00:16:44   that like took me awhile to wrap my head [TS]

00:16:46   around is like if you're your Apple [TS]

00:16:49   watch is not a separate device it's your [TS]

00:16:52   Apple watch and your iphone and all of [TS]

00:16:54   the backups get stored basically as your [TS]

00:16:57   iphone backup so if you pear and apple [TS]

00:16:59   watch to a brand-new iphone that you [TS]

00:17:01   haven't restored from backup and then [TS]

00:17:03   you're like oh I want to switch that [TS]

00:17:05   Apple watch to you know a backdrop [TS]

00:17:07   iphone on your you're going to be a [TS]

00:17:09   little bit of trouble you're not here [TS]

00:17:10   not going to be very happy [TS]

00:17:12   I i find that the the thing that gets me [TS]

00:17:15   is the fact that you don't get your [TS]

00:17:17   watch backed up until you on parent it [TS]

00:17:21   from yes phone and that feels so wrong [TS]

00:17:24   to me and I don't see how any normal [TS]

00:17:26   person nobody normal person would ever [TS]

00:17:27   ever think that that's how it should be [TS]

00:17:30   done and even if they're told that [TS]

00:17:32   that's how it's done it it doesn't look [TS]

00:17:34   like you're doing the right thing like [TS]

00:17:37   even if you're just need somebody says [TS]

00:17:40   here's what you do with your new iphone [TS]

00:17:42   first unpair your home or your watches [TS]

00:17:44   you from your old phone [TS]

00:17:46   well under the backing up your old phone [TS]

00:17:48   then restore your new phone from that [TS]

00:17:50   back up and then your watch as you knew [TS]

00:17:53   it will still be there and then you can [TS]

00:17:55   repair the watch and it'll go right back [TS]

00:17:56   to where it was but when you go through [TS]

00:17:58   those steps [TS]

00:17:59   it doesn't look like you're doing that [TS]

00:18:01   it looks like you're racing your watch [TS]

00:18:04   yeah it and there's no there's no good [TS]

00:18:07   dialogue from that box and it is i'm [TS]

00:18:09   pretty sure the watch does get backed up [TS]

00:18:11   nightly the same way that the iphone [TS]

00:18:12   does know there's an iCloud backup [TS]

00:18:14   no it doesn't because there are there [TS]

00:18:16   are intermediary backups that are made [TS]

00:18:18   however if you want to upgrade so let's [TS]

00:18:21   say I'm going from a watch series 02 a [TS]

00:18:24   watch series 2 and I don't unpair the [TS]

00:18:26   watch series 0 before i go to the series [TS]

00:18:29   to the most recent backup I might find [TS]

00:18:31   this might be 2-3 days old it's not [TS]

00:18:34   going to be current which means you're [TS]

00:18:35   not going to have your move data and [TS]

00:18:36   you're not gonna have your activity [TS]

00:18:37   stuff or it might be even older if it [TS]

00:18:39   didn't if the backup didn't go through [TS]

00:18:41   properly and that's really frustrating [TS]

00:18:43   the fact that you can't like and there's [TS]

00:18:45   no even there's no way to make a manual [TS]

00:18:47   backup unless you and parrot what you [TS]

00:18:50   were talking about which is like that is [TS]

00:18:52   the most frustrating thing because [TS]

00:18:54   legally when people people Google like [TS]

00:18:57   how to backup your watch and it's not [TS]

00:18:59   how to backup your watches how to unpair [TS]

00:19:01   your watch which also makes a backup [TS]

00:19:04   like why couldn't there just be a button [TS]

00:19:05   apple like really I I don't even see how [TS]

00:19:08   you can see where your latest backup is [TS]

00:19:10   I don't know that you can i'm looking [TS]

00:19:12   only way the only way that you can see [TS]

00:19:14   where your latest backup is is when [TS]

00:19:16   you're pairing a new watch [TS]

00:19:18   right which is really dumb because [TS]

00:19:19   that's that I ran into that in a weird [TS]

00:19:23   kind of where I had this complicated i [TS]

00:19:26   had a backup of my phone or I had [TS]

00:19:28   restored an iphone 7 review unit from [TS]

00:19:31   the regular backup of my phone so it was [TS]

00:19:33   running my [TS]

00:19:34   all my apps and everything else and then [TS]

00:19:36   I had a watch that I was you know doing [TS]

00:19:38   some dad doing some activity data on and [TS]

00:19:41   then i switched to my jet black iphone 7 [TS]

00:19:45   plus which came in and the iphone 7 plus [TS]

00:19:47   i had restored from an iphone backup but [TS]

00:19:50   i restored from an iphone backup like [TS]

00:19:52   two days prior [TS]

00:19:53   so the seven plus and the seven were two [TS]

00:19:57   days off in terms of backups [TS]

00:19:59   so when I got my new my prop mine on [TS]

00:20:02   review Apple watch series 2 and I went [TS]

00:20:03   to pair it with the with the jet-black [TS]

00:20:05   on iphone 7 plus it was only showing me [TS]

00:20:10   Apple watch backups that were two days [TS]

00:20:12   old or more because it couldn't see that [TS]

00:20:15   despite the fact that these phones were [TS]

00:20:17   essentially going to the same iCloud [TS]

00:20:19   backup and had the same information on [TS]

00:20:21   them and like had the same health data [TS]

00:20:23   even because of it being an iCloud it [TS]

00:20:27   couldn't see the apple watch backups [TS]

00:20:29   that the iphone 7 mate because in I [TS]

00:20:32   clouds mind it was an iphone 7 plus [TS]

00:20:35   Apple watch combo and an iphone 7 plus [TS]

00:20:37   plus Apple watch combo and it's just [TS]

00:20:41   like that it's it's the same iCloud [TS]

00:20:44   account it's so frustrating i really [TS]

00:20:46   hope that they put some effort into that [TS]

00:20:48   and I can almost surprised they haven't [TS]

00:20:49   because i always think like okay so [TS]

00:20:51   whens people like me and you sit here [TS]

00:20:54   and complain and it's worse for us [TS]

00:20:56   because i'm on my third iphone 7 now I [TS]

00:20:59   to review units and when i bought and [TS]

00:21:02   now owned and only the one watch I'm [TS]

00:21:05   still wearing a review unit watch [TS]

00:21:07   because i don't know what i want to buy [TS]

00:21:08   for myself but it I realized that it's [TS]

00:21:10   you know it's a tiny little violin is [TS]

00:21:14   playing sad music for because you know [TS]

00:21:16   we have this all you have all of these [TS]

00:21:17   fall yeah we have these also all these [TS]

00:21:19   gadgets to play with and but I i just [TS]

00:21:22   had can't help but think and I know that [TS]

00:21:24   they're not supposed to solve these [TS]

00:21:24   problems for us because we're edge cases [TS]

00:21:26   but even normal people who just bought [TS]

00:21:28   one new phone it's it's terrible if you [TS]

00:21:30   go through and didn't remember to unpair [TS]

00:21:32   your watch first [TS]

00:21:33   yeah at the worst part is if you're [TS]

00:21:35   wearing your yeah if you're wearing your [TS]

00:21:37   watch and it's still paired to your old [TS]

00:21:38   phone and you don't think about pairing [TS]

00:21:40   it to your new phone until a couple days [TS]

00:21:42   after you've had your new phone which is [TS]

00:21:44   entirely likely because people [TS]

00:21:46   again you treat the Apple watches a [TS]

00:21:48   separate device for a certain period was [TS]

00:21:50   what you're saying with the first iphone [TS]

00:21:51   right where it's like they're treating [TS]

00:21:54   the apple watch is pretty much a [TS]

00:21:55   separate device so it has gps now you [TS]

00:21:57   can go outside for walks and you leave [TS]

00:21:59   your iphone at home but it is still tied [TS]

00:22:02   to the iphone and that's something [TS]

00:22:03   that's not really marketed enough [TS]

00:22:05   outside of the yet uses the iphone [TS]

00:22:07   cellular signal no it is it is an iphone [TS]

00:22:09   accessory so if it's not tied to your [TS]

00:22:11   right iphone then everything falls apart [TS]

00:22:13   and that's that is something that i can [TS]

00:22:15   see being very confusing for the average [TS]

00:22:17   user and something will just throw their [TS]

00:22:19   hands up about well and she's the thing [TS]

00:22:20   is that surely there must be a lot of [TS]

00:22:22   people inside Apple who go through the [TS]

00:22:24   same thing because they are using test [TS]

00:22:26   devices so they know that that's why I'm [TS]

00:22:28   a little surprised that they haven't [TS]

00:22:29   addressed this I mean like I think it's [TS]

00:22:32   one of the reasons why'd you are now [TS]

00:22:34   able to have multiple watches paired [TS]

00:22:36   with one phone [TS]

00:22:38   oh yeah and you know part of it is that [TS]

00:22:40   of course yeah if you want to buy a [TS]

00:22:42   couple Apple watches Apple would love to [TS]

00:22:44   sell you a couple but I'm sure that part [TS]

00:22:46   of the reason that it's in there is that [TS]

00:22:47   some of the most likes to tease the most [TS]

00:22:49   likely people did to have several Apple [TS]

00:22:52   watches at the same time or people [TS]

00:22:53   inside Apple who are testing a new you [TS]

00:22:55   know either news new software or new [TS]

00:22:57   hardware both ya gotta get better [TS]

00:23:01   it absolutely has to and I'm i mean i'm [TS]

00:23:04   hopeful especially as the as the watch [TS]

00:23:07   vaults but it's still it's a pain . yeah [TS]

00:23:09   and it also seems like one thing in [TS]

00:23:11   Syria I didn't put a stop watch to it so [TS]

00:23:13   maybe it's just it went from really bad [TS]

00:23:16   to sort of kind of bad but this is the [TS]

00:23:18   wireless network speed between your [TS]

00:23:20   phone and the watch or something is so [TS]

00:23:23   unbelievably slow real painful like I [TS]

00:23:29   swear I had what I was restoring this [TS]

00:23:30   watch after i got it just went through [TS]

00:23:34   this again over the weekend where I had [TS]

00:23:35   two unpaired because now I have it [TS]

00:23:37   paired with the phone that I own myself [TS]

00:23:38   and I let it go for an hour and came [TS]

00:23:42   back to it and it was still on that [TS]

00:23:43   spinning that slow spin around the [TS]

00:23:46   outside on now I was like this is crazy [TS]

00:23:48   and I did you restore your apps to uh [TS]

00:23:51   yeah I don't have that on my phone but [TS]

00:23:54   even so yeah exactly it just it takes [TS]

00:23:56   when i was $DAY i did a ton of speed too [TS]

00:23:59   because I got a I got a series to review [TS]

00:24:02   unit but i also bought a series one for [TS]

00:24:03   myself and then I had my original series [TS]

00:24:05   0 and I was doing like cross crossways [TS]

00:24:09   speed discs on all of these and the one [TS]

00:24:11   thing like the series to like blows the [TS]

00:24:13   series 10 out of the water in a in a [TS]

00:24:16   bunch of different ways the original [TS]

00:24:17   generation Apple watch but when it comes [TS]

00:24:20   to barking dogs when it comes to the [TS]

00:24:24   difference between like serious two [TS]

00:24:27   series 1 and the original generation [TS]

00:24:29   Apple watch and boot time or restore [TS]

00:24:32   time like the boot time on an Apple [TS]

00:24:35   watch series 2 is still over a minute [TS]

00:24:38   the boot time on series 0 is like two [TS]

00:24:40   and a half minutes but it's still like [TS]

00:24:42   if I'm waiting a minute and 20 seconds [TS]

00:24:45   for my watch to startup problems i'm [TS]

00:24:48   gonna tell you about a good friend of [TS]

00:24:49   the show its fracture you guys no [TS]

00:24:51   fracture they are the photo decor [TS]

00:24:52   company that is out to rescue your [TS]

00:24:54   favorite images from the digital either [TS]

00:24:56   they print your photos directly on the [TS]

00:24:59   glass and add a laser-cut rigid backing [TS]

00:25:02   so they're ready to display right [TS]

00:25:04   out-of-the-box they even include the [TS]

00:25:06   wall anchor I've told you about them [TS]

00:25:08   before they've been sponsoring this [TS]

00:25:09   podcast as in my mind forever and [TS]

00:25:12   they're back because you guys keep [TS]

00:25:14   buying pictures from them they're just a [TS]

00:25:16   great great service it is it's not just [TS]

00:25:19   I always say this it does not look like [TS]

00:25:21   a piece of paper that has photo printed [TS]

00:25:24   on it mounted the glass it looks like [TS]

00:25:26   it's like the retina display it looks [TS]

00:25:28   like it the pictures somehow on the [TS]

00:25:31   glass it is amazing feature when you [TS]

00:25:33   hang them on the wall in your house and [TS]

00:25:34   people come in they will say that was [TS]

00:25:36   because you do it's noticeable there's [TS]

00:25:38   no frame around its edge it looks like [TS]

00:25:42   nothing else and I'll say how did you do [TS]

00:25:44   that and then you'll tell them about [TS]

00:25:45   fraktur one of the reasons that they're [TS]

00:25:48   advertising right now I know it's early [TS]

00:25:49   i know it's late September as we talked [TS]

00:25:51   and probably as you listen and it seems [TS]

00:25:54   like Christmas is forever away but these [TS]

00:25:57   are amazing gifts there really are you [TS]

00:26:01   could knock out a whole bunch of your [TS]

00:26:02   family gift-giving early and they do [TS]

00:26:05   tend to run late are they get backed up [TS]

00:26:08   so you won't be able to order fractures [TS]

00:26:10   in like early December and still get in [TS]

00:26:13   by Christmas [TS]

00:26:14   so it's a good time to knock off a [TS]

00:26:16   little bit of that I go there to find [TS]

00:26:18   out more they have all sorts of sizes [TS]

00:26:20   great prices [TS]

00:26:21   great great quality and if you go to [TS]

00:26:24   this URL fracture me.com / podcast you [TS]

00:26:29   will save ten percent off your first [TS]

00:26:31   order fracture me.com / podcast and then [TS]

00:26:36   don't forget to mention the show in [TS]

00:26:38   their very very long one question survey [TS]

00:26:41   which is where did you hear about [TS]

00:26:43   fracture so just mentioned the talkshow [TS]

00:26:46   there and no no you came from here so my [TS]

00:26:48   thanks to fracture go do it you'll thank [TS]

00:26:49   me later for getting all your family [TS]

00:26:52   christmas gifts out-of-the-way anything [TS]

00:26:58   else that bothers you about Apple's [TS]

00:27:00   upgrade process and like Mac iOS [TS]

00:27:01   switching to a new device upgrading the [TS]

00:27:04   OS anything along those lines [TS]

00:27:06   overall I find it pretty smooth and the [TS]

00:27:10   only thing that I think is a little bit [TS]

00:27:13   frustrating is the as much as I love the [TS]

00:27:15   over-the-air download process for iOS on [TS]

00:27:19   it can be very frustrating to update if [TS]

00:27:22   you're on-the-go obviously because it's [TS]

00:27:24   a big download to build the iOS 10 [TS]

00:27:26   download was a gigabyte but the problem [TS]

00:27:29   is because of the way that the the [TS]

00:27:31   download currently works say i'm waiting [TS]

00:27:34   around for my download to fit like it's [TS]

00:27:36   update day right it's its release day [TS]

00:27:38   and i've downloaded half of the release [TS]

00:27:40   half of iOS 10 to my iphone and then for [TS]

00:27:43   some reason i need to go out and do an [TS]

00:27:44   errant well I can either leave the phone [TS]

00:27:47   at home and you know what the wreath [TS]

00:27:49   that it was going maybe like 10 kilobits [TS]

00:27:51   a second [TS]

00:27:52   that'll be that would be downloaded [TS]

00:27:54   maybe half downloaded by the time I get [TS]

00:27:55   back or you know maybe i need the phone [TS]

00:27:58   while I'm out and about and if i take [TS]

00:28:00   the phone and I leave while its wallets [TS]

00:28:03   downloading there's no place where I can [TS]

00:28:05   be like pause my download while I go off [TS]

00:28:07   Wi-Fi go to my area and then come back [TS]

00:28:10   and resume my download and still have [TS]

00:28:12   that half of the update that i [TS]

00:28:14   downloaded back like you can do that [TS]

00:28:16   with pretty you can do that on safari [TS]

00:28:17   for the mac you can do that even with [TS]

00:28:19   iOS apps at this point with paws [TS]

00:28:21   download on but there's no way to do [TS]

00:28:23   that for [TS]

00:28:24   the for these big updates I realize [TS]

00:28:26   that's like this again maybe a bit of an [TS]

00:28:28   edge case but i know a lot of people who [TS]

00:28:30   don't end up updating to iOS 10 because [TS]

00:28:32   they don't find time to even with I you [TS]

00:28:36   know apples been a done a lot better [TS]

00:28:37   with the like install while I'm sleeping [TS]

00:28:40   and stuff like that in the auto install [TS]

00:28:43   night like that that's all really nice I [TS]

00:28:45   really nice improvements to this feature [TS]

00:28:48   but it's still it runs you know there [TS]

00:28:50   are still people who they start to [TS]

00:28:53   install it and they think its installed [TS]

00:28:55   because they started the process and [TS]

00:28:56   they don't even think oh you know if I [TS]

00:28:59   leave my house before the install [TS]

00:29:00   process is completed it's never it's [TS]

00:29:02   just going to stop the install process [TS]

00:29:04   and I'm never gonna get it installed [TS]

00:29:05   like just the average user is not [TS]

00:29:08   obsessive about download things they [TS]

00:29:10   just they've they've gotten used to the [TS]

00:29:11   ios app you know now i'm downloading an [TS]

00:29:14   iOS app and the ios app is going to [TS]

00:29:16   download wherever I am or it'll you know [TS]

00:29:18   if even if it can't get a good network [TS]

00:29:20   connection or five cellular data turned [TS]

00:29:22   off while i'm running around it will [TS]

00:29:23   come back and finish downloading when I [TS]

00:29:25   want to get back to my computer but the [TS]

00:29:27   but the update is not like that so [TS]

00:29:29   that's my like nitpicky complaint i [TS]

00:29:31   can't really think it's too many other [TS]

00:29:32   ones I me neither but i agree with you [TS]

00:29:36   here's one thing that if we're going to [TS]

00:29:38   skip around but we talk about iOS 10 and [TS]

00:29:42   what it's how it's faring in the real [TS]

00:29:44   world [TS]

00:29:44   I'm hearing from I want to drop names [TS]

00:29:48   but people in the house that the the [TS]

00:29:55   heavier doses of 3d touch to do things [TS]

00:29:59   or force touch whatever they call it on [TS]

00:30:01   with I guess on iOS it's called 3d touch [TS]

00:30:03   is not not a welcome addition to the [TS]

00:30:07   operating system not a welcome addition [TS]

00:30:09   how that it's too confusing or not [TS]

00:30:13   intuitive when you need to press hard [TS]

00:30:15   and when you just need to normally tap [TS]

00:30:17   and that having these things that like [TS]

00:30:22   just to do the stickers in messages that [TS]

00:30:24   you have to force touch on the arrow we [TS]

00:30:26   had to move it [TS]

00:30:29   i I'd see some merit in that and to me [TS]

00:30:32   it's sort of like the old one button [TS]

00:30:35   mouse vs2 button [TS]

00:30:37   mouse argument where it seemed like it [TS]

00:30:41   but maybe maybe a little different [TS]

00:30:45   because it seemed like in the old days [TS]

00:30:47   when Apple obstinately seemingly [TS]

00:30:49   obstinately stuck to a one button mouse [TS]

00:30:51   when you know every single piano is a [TS]

00:30:54   fundamental aspect of the windows user [TS]

00:30:56   interface that there were things you [TS]

00:30:57   would right click on like I don't you [TS]

00:31:00   couldn't really even properly use [TS]

00:31:01   Windows without a 2-button mouse and I [TS]

00:31:03   don't know that anybody I don't even [TS]

00:31:05   know that you could buy it like a one [TS]

00:31:07   button mouse for pc it wasn't even like [TS]

00:31:10   that thing whereas and it seems like [TS]

00:31:12   everybody like the consensus among the [TS]

00:31:14   Nerds was that Apple is just sticking to [TS]

00:31:16   this out of spite [TS]

00:31:18   whereas what I saw was that this is sure [TS]

00:31:21   if you're a power user you can go buy a [TS]

00:31:23   2-button mouse mouse with the scroll [TS]

00:31:25   wheel and plug it in and it will work [TS]

00:31:27   but for most people [TS]

00:31:29   all they have to do is understand click [TS]

00:31:30   and having just one type of click is [TS]

00:31:33   fundamentally it's so much simpler than [TS]

00:31:36   even just having two types of clicks let [TS]

00:31:38   alone the crazy gaming mice you can buy [TS]

00:31:41   with you know 20 different buttons but [TS]

00:31:43   even just going from 1 to 2 is a huge [TS]

00:31:45   difference and you do you know I I'd [TS]

00:31:47   everybody has seen people in a [TS]

00:31:49   real-world whoo-hoo like it don't know [TS]

00:31:51   what to click on what to double-click on [TS]

00:31:53   and stuff like that like click and [TS]

00:31:55   double-click was confusing enough for [TS]

00:31:57   some people it's 55 and I felt like that [TS]

00:31:59   was part of the genius of iOS was [TS]

00:32:02   dialing that all the way back to just [TS]

00:32:03   tap everything is a tap and I think [TS]

00:32:07   force touch convoluted that to some [TS]

00:32:09   degree [TS]

00:32:10   yeah I mean we were already getting into [TS]

00:32:13   more advanced options with things like [TS]

00:32:15   long presses which have existed i don't [TS]

00:32:19   know at least at least 45 iOS [TS]

00:32:21   generations maybe more on an earlier [TS]

00:32:24   with the with third-parties I see 3d [TS]

00:32:27   touch a lot in the way that I see a [TS]

00:32:30   two-button mice on you know 1990s early [TS]

00:32:33   two thousands Apple computers which is [TS]

00:32:36   there's not really anything on an iphone [TS]

00:32:39   at least that I can think of where 3d [TS]

00:32:41   touch is necessary to do a core function [TS]

00:32:44   you know 3d touch makes it faster to [TS]

00:32:47   open the battery pain and settings but [TS]

00:32:49   you can still get to the battery pain if [TS]

00:32:50   you [TS]

00:32:51   tap on settings and then tap on battery [TS]

00:32:52   and then tap on low power mode on [TS]

00:32:55   i likey you think of something in like I [TS]

00:32:57   can think of stuff on the watch where [TS]

00:32:59   you need force press two to do extra [TS]

00:33:01   things but is there any is there s is [TS]

00:33:04   there something besides maybe stickers [TS]

00:33:06   where you really need a force press [TS]

00:33:07   messages is one where there's certain [TS]

00:33:10   things that you seem to have to force [TS]

00:33:11   press and any other thing is to interact [TS]

00:33:13   with the notification widgets right it's [TS]

00:33:16   yeah seems like it's true but again you [TS]

00:33:18   can tap on the notification widget and [TS]

00:33:20   it will send you to the right area i get [TS]

00:33:23   it but it seems like a me to just name [TS]

00:33:26   one person doesn't always mean yeah and [TS]

00:33:30   and sees you know she seems frustrated [TS]

00:33:32   that sometimes she thinks she's pressing [TS]

00:33:34   plenty hard enough to get a force touch [TS]

00:33:36   and it's not registering yeah well that [TS]

00:33:39   that i think is an absolutely valid [TS]

00:33:41   complaint in that force touch sometimes [TS]

00:33:44   works marvelously and i have i have my [TS]

00:33:46   force to our fresh force touch 3d touch [TS]

00:33:49   press firmly i have my setting to the [TS]

00:33:52   latest version so that it will trigger [TS]

00:33:54   almost immediately once i start pressing [TS]

00:33:56   down on the screen and i would say it [TS]

00:33:58   works about 75% of the time that's not [TS]

00:34:01   God know exactly and it's like I mean it [TS]

00:34:04   it it will work other times but other [TS]

00:34:06   times it requires a little bit firmer [TS]

00:34:07   press and i'm not sure if there's it's [TS]

00:34:09   because there's something on my fingers [TS]

00:34:10   or if it's just the screen is you know [TS]

00:34:12   miss reading but yeah that's a little [TS]

00:34:14   it's a little bit frustrating and the [TS]

00:34:16   place where I noticed it the most is [TS]

00:34:18   turning the keyboard if you if you press [TS]

00:34:21   firmly on the when the keyboards active [TS]

00:34:23   you can turn that into a movable cursor [TS]

00:34:25   yeah and I use that all the time when [TS]

00:34:27   I'm writing on iOS and it was very I [TS]

00:34:30   don't know very noticeable for me I i [TS]

00:34:32   would just I will reiterate that is my [TS]

00:34:34   favorite 3d touch feature I find with [TS]

00:34:37   the first time I saw it last year I was [TS]

00:34:39   like oh i will use that all the time and [TS]

00:34:41   never ceded to forget that it existed at [TS]

00:34:44   the time for listeners of the show if [TS]

00:34:45   you take one thing away we go right down [TS]

00:34:47   actual note while you listen to us talk [TS]

00:34:49   the one thing I would emphasize is [TS]

00:34:51   remember that you can force touch on the [TS]

00:34:53   keyboard to make the cursor like a mouse [TS]

00:34:55   cursor that you can move around because [TS]

00:34:57   once you really do internalize that and [TS]

00:34:59   and you don't even have to root you [TS]

00:35:01   don't have to think about it to use it [TS]

00:35:02   is the best tech [TS]

00:35:04   editing changed since the original [TS]

00:35:07   iphone yes it's copy and paste quite [TS]

00:35:09   honestly i don't i don't use the library [TS]

00:35:11   use the loop [TS]

00:35:12   however like whatever price you got a [TS]

00:35:15   notification that you want to reply to [TS]

00:35:17   like the messages one would be an [TS]

00:35:20   example to eat pot has it now for dm's [TS]

00:35:22   you have to force touch on it to get the [TS]

00:35:24   inline don't even open the app just let [TS]

00:35:26   me reply right here [TS]

00:35:27   I ya know if it looks like if you just [TS]

00:35:30   tap the notification that will send you [TS]

00:35:31   directly into the app but I mean I get [TS]

00:35:34   that little shortcuts to get that short [TS]

00:35:35   but again we're talking about shortcuts [TS]

00:35:37   we're not talking about things where [TS]

00:35:39   it's like or you know what actually I [TS]

00:35:41   take it back because if it appears at [TS]

00:35:43   the top of the screen you can drag down [TS]

00:35:46   and it will give you the the information [TS]

00:35:48   so you can drag on it the same way that [TS]

00:35:50   you couldn't I think iOS 9 or iOS 8 and [TS]

00:35:53   it would give you the same kind of and [TS]

00:35:54   further preview if it were up to me I [TS]

00:35:57   think I would make I i think it I think [TS]

00:36:01   that force touch should only and always [TS]

00:36:03   be a shortcut for a long press yes they [TS]

00:36:07   agree with that you anything that you do [TS]

00:36:09   with a force touch if you just hold [TS]

00:36:11   their you'll get the same thing and I [TS]

00:36:14   think that would be an accessibility win [TS]

00:36:16   because i think it would help for [TS]

00:36:17   anybody who actually can't press hard [TS]

00:36:19   enough and I think conceptually it would [TS]

00:36:21   simplify things and I know that there [TS]

00:36:23   are some conflicts like right now you [TS]

00:36:26   force touch on an app icon on the home [TS]

00:36:28   screen to get the list of shortcuts for [TS]

00:36:30   that app and you long press to get into [TS]

00:36:33   google mode when you rearrange apps but [TS]

00:36:35   is so annoying I we should just do both [TS]

00:36:38   yeah i think it should just be one [TS]

00:36:39   shortcut and then one of the options for [TS]

00:36:41   every app would be like edit . it [TS]

00:36:44   exactly and you know and use like an [TS]

00:36:46   icon to indicate that you know I'm sure [TS]

00:36:48   there's some visual way that you could [TS]

00:36:49   indicate like this is how you get to the [TS]

00:36:50   old jiggle mode [TS]

00:36:51   mhm it could easily be tied together [TS]

00:36:56   like that I know the one that I remember [TS]

00:36:57   is if you go to the Apple weather app [TS]

00:36:59   and you go to the list of cities or [TS]

00:37:04   locations i tried to rearrange them [TS]

00:37:07   before a trip to move like where i was [TS]

00:37:09   going up to be like like number two so I [TS]

00:37:11   could always go right right beneath the [TS]

00:37:14   local you know wherever I am [TS]

00:37:15   and I couldn't remember how to rearrange [TS]

00:37:17   the city's thank you for the life of me [TS]

00:37:19   I just kept force touching on them and [TS]

00:37:20   it it just kept opening them and took me [TS]

00:37:23   like a minute to remember [TS]

00:37:24   press and hold the press press firmly no [TS]

00:37:27   press firmly on the site [TS]

00:37:29   press press slightly rearranged press [TS]

00:37:32   firmly to like pull up a pop-up right [TS]

00:37:34   and then if while you're waiting for the [TS]

00:37:37   whole be long enough to start pressing [TS]

00:37:39   too hard to open up that those little [TS]

00:37:42   things are so frustrating especially if [TS]

00:37:45   you are you know somebody who goes in [TS]

00:37:48   between pressing firmly and long [TS]

00:37:49   processes like trying to rearrange your [TS]

00:37:51   app icons that's that is that's kind of [TS]

00:37:54   an exercise in frustration and maybe [TS]

00:37:56   just not enough ppl rearrange their app [TS]

00:37:59   icons on a regular basis anymore they [TS]

00:38:01   just they don't care about the way their [TS]

00:38:03   home screen looks or because I feel like [TS]

00:38:05   Apple must be getting complaints about [TS]

00:38:07   this right [TS]

00:38:08   oh I'm trying to rearrange my icons and [TS]

00:38:09   I can't remember how to do it anywhere [TS]

00:38:11   I don't know just I don't think it could [TS]

00:38:15   be made together I feel like they yeah [TS]

00:38:17   you know be like an iOS 11 change not [TS]

00:38:20   like an iOS 10.2 change but I feel like [TS]

00:38:23   long press and force touch could be [TS]

00:38:25   unified i think so and it may it may be [TS]

00:38:28   one of those things where I'm sorry the [TS]

00:38:33   lower right yeah I think rick is coming [TS]

00:38:38   home so they're really excited [TS]

00:38:40   yeah I i think it may be something we're [TS]

00:38:43   in iOS 11 we may see a more drastic [TS]

00:38:47   change to the home screen or something [TS]

00:38:49   like that where they're kind of like we [TS]

00:38:50   know this is a hack job right now but we [TS]

00:38:54   promise it will all go away soon and I [TS]

00:38:56   under like one part part of me [TS]

00:38:58   understands that from a ok we're working [TS]

00:39:02   towards a bigger objective in a bigger [TS]

00:39:03   picture here but the fact remains that [TS]

00:39:05   3d touch has now been an operation or [TS]

00:39:07   will be an operation for two whole [TS]

00:39:09   release cycles and to say like this is a [TS]

00:39:11   hand wave we're going to make it better [TS]

00:39:13   soon at for 42 years worth is that's [TS]

00:39:16   stretching it for the average user [TS]

00:39:17   that's that's kind of painful it is [TS]

00:39:20   interesting to me watching the reaction [TS]

00:39:22   of people who are you know all new to [TS]

00:39:25   iOS 10 and you know we we talked before [TS]

00:39:27   about the [TS]

00:39:28   the home button change where you have to [TS]

00:39:30   you know there's no more swipe to unlock [TS]

00:39:32   seems like at first an awful lot of [TS]

00:39:36   people objected to some of the visual [TS]

00:39:40   changes in iOS 10 which i think in broad [TS]

00:39:45   terms of like the new control center and [TS]

00:39:47   that yeah in a way that would the [TS]

00:39:49   widgets look more like Windows you know [TS]

00:39:53   there's like a 3d pneus and Anna they [TS]

00:39:56   don't go there not full with they have [TS]

00:39:58   entire you know they're encapsulated a [TS]

00:40:00   little bubbly yeah there's just a little [TS]

00:40:02   bit more depth to the interface it is it [TS]

00:40:05   you know to over you know to borrow and [TS]

00:40:08   overused term from when I was seven came [TS]

00:40:09   out it's it's less flat and not so much [TS]

00:40:13   in a way that the actual individual [TS]

00:40:15   buttons and little windows themselves [TS]

00:40:18   have 3d but that the layering of where [TS]

00:40:20   they are in the system is more 3d I like [TS]

00:40:23   it a lot [TS]

00:40:23   I think it's actually to me it's like [TS]

00:40:26   iOS 10 has really it's just shows how [TS]

00:40:31   many how long it takes to get a major [TS]

00:40:34   design right and to me I OS 10 is the [TS]

00:40:37   one where the that what they were [TS]

00:40:39   thinking with ios7 they've really dialed [TS]

00:40:43   it back up to where the appropriate [TS]

00:40:45   level of depth and imovie 08 to iMovie [TS]

00:40:49   11 kind of thing [TS]

00:40:50   yeah I is good well it just seems to me [TS]

00:40:54   like people complain about it at first [TS]

00:40:55   but it seems like right now as of now [TS]

00:40:57   everybody now that it was really just [TS]

00:40:59   the newness that bothered him and now go [TS]

00:41:01   yeah they've got used to it [TS]

00:41:03   well it's the anytime that you change [TS]

00:41:05   someone's interaction path they're going [TS]

00:41:08   to grumble about it for a little while [TS]

00:41:09   same thing we were talking about what [TS]

00:41:10   the touch ID and opening the phone where [TS]

00:41:13   it's like the control center now having [TS]

00:41:15   multiple cards initially that was a bit [TS]

00:41:17   of a pain especially if you're dealing [TS]

00:41:19   with sliders because if you don't tap on [TS]

00:41:22   the right place for a slider you might [TS]

00:41:23   accidentally slide the pain left right [TS]

00:41:25   and you know putting things in slightly [TS]

00:41:28   different places being like oh I can't [TS]

00:41:30   find this anymore and where is this and [TS]

00:41:32   how wide is Notification Center still [TS]

00:41:34   have the wedges screen in it despite the [TS]

00:41:36   fact that the widgets screen is now you [TS]

00:41:38   know its own real thing on the left-hand [TS]

00:41:40   side like there are still little bits [TS]

00:41:41   and pieces [TS]

00:41:42   here that I that are quite right but um [TS]

00:41:46   I i wrote about this right after wdc in [TS]

00:41:48   terms of the way that Apple has changed [TS]

00:41:50   the visual narrative to really be about [TS]

00:41:53   stacks and layers and about you know the [TS]

00:41:55   home screen is kind of your neutral [TS]

00:41:57   layer now and then apps pop up on top [TS]

00:42:00   and you've got control center and [TS]

00:42:03   notification center on top above [TS]

00:42:04   everything else and it's just it's [TS]

00:42:06   unified it now we're at it actually [TS]

00:42:08   makes it and then the lock screen is on [TS]

00:42:10   top of everything else because the lock [TS]

00:42:11   screen is basically like keeping keeping [TS]

00:42:13   you in this box like it's your opening [TS]

00:42:15   the box you're pressing through with the [TS]

00:42:18   with the home button to go into this box [TS]

00:42:20   and it's I don't know from I am from a [TS]

00:42:22   purely like tactile visual sense which [TS]

00:42:26   is odd combination of words there but [TS]

00:42:29   but really it is very pleasing I [TS]

00:42:32   subconsciously I think and initially [TS]

00:42:34   again people are going to be complaining [TS]

00:42:36   about it because it doesn't it's not [TS]

00:42:38   what they were used to write but I as [TS]

00:42:40   you get used to it i think it becomes [TS]

00:42:41   more and more comfortable and things [TS]

00:42:44   make sense it's it goes from a i'm [TS]

00:42:47   looking for this feature [TS]

00:42:49   oh well now i'm getting trained i'm [TS]

00:42:51   getting visually trained to be like okay [TS]

00:42:54   well apps are you know apps are found by [TS]

00:42:56   pulling something up or pulling you know [TS]

00:42:59   pulling from a side of the screen or [TS]

00:43:00   moving from side like this i don't know [TS]

00:43:02   I i really i really like the direction [TS]

00:43:05   they're going with this [TS]

00:43:06   I one of the things that I think that [TS]

00:43:08   they got wrong in iOS 7 and that they've [TS]

00:43:10   been end to me they've really this is [TS]

00:43:13   what the times 10 is really where they [TS]

00:43:14   fixed it in a lot of ways is and this is [TS]

00:43:17   something i think that I'm going to [TS]

00:43:19   excuse a lot of it as it just takes more [TS]

00:43:21   than one or two years to get a complete [TS]

00:43:24   redesign right this is one of the things [TS]

00:43:27   i think they could have gotten much [TS]

00:43:29   better right from the start and for some [TS]

00:43:30   reason whatever was in their heads [TS]

00:43:33   collectively was wrong was making sure [TS]

00:43:36   that the visual indication of like [TS]

00:43:38   something that either on or off is [TS]

00:43:40   absolutely [TS]

00:43:43   in earlier this year and and i think it [TS]

00:43:47   was there and I think it was a desire [TS]

00:43:49   for aesthetic purposes to not use color [TS]

00:43:52   is what burned them in iOS 7 and so for [TS]

00:43:55   example here's what I'm looking at is [TS]

00:43:57   the way that like when you have Wi-Fi on [TS]

00:43:59   in control center [TS]

00:44:00   it's just a bright vivid blue and then [TS]

00:44:03   if you tap it to turn it off [TS]

00:44:04   it is very clearly off because it's gray [TS]

00:44:07   and drab I think that's one of my [TS]

00:44:10   favorite changes it's just the way that [TS]

00:44:13   they're more way more willing and iOS 10 [TS]

00:44:14   to use plops little little little bits [TS]

00:44:18   of very vivid color to clearly indicate [TS]

00:44:21   state in a way that that they weren't [TS]

00:44:23   before [TS]

00:44:24   ya a call i mean the color changes to [TS]

00:44:26   iOS 10 i think i've been one of the the [TS]

00:44:29   biggest improvements upon the flat [TS]

00:44:31   design because you do it's like okay we [TS]

00:44:35   can't use depth inside our buttons to [TS]

00:44:38   show what's on what's off so let's [TS]

00:44:40   actually use really bright vivid nice [TS]

00:44:43   colors and you sell them kind of [TS]

00:44:44   experimenting with that in the original [TS]

00:44:46   music app and its really come kind of [TS]

00:44:49   full circle now and you can kind of even [TS]

00:44:51   see where they're going by looking at [TS]

00:44:53   the new music app and the new maps app [TS]

00:44:55   in terms of that like Boulder to Boulder [TS]

00:44:57   design and using bright colors for for [TS]

00:45:00   each of the entries i like that so much [TS]

00:45:02   more than just here is black and here's [TS]

00:45:04   gray alright here's one i got like I was [TS]

00:45:08   like by my most explosive we popular [TS]

00:45:11   tweet of the month was just the simple [TS]

00:45:15   observation that the night shift button [TS]

00:45:17   in control center again as an unusual [TS]

00:45:20   prominence and others screen real estate [TS]

00:45:22   large I don't understand like I never [TS]

00:45:26   ever want to use this feature i don't [TS]

00:45:30   like it i understand lots of people do a [TS]

00:45:32   very popular with some people but I [TS]

00:45:34   don't understand why it's so much more [TS]

00:45:35   prominent dense than any of the five [TS]

00:45:38   things at the top airplane mode Wi-Fi [TS]

00:45:39   Bluetooth do not disturb and then [TS]

00:45:43   rotation lock especially because night [TS]

00:45:46   shift should be set automatically right [TS]

00:45:49   right like did to go at a certain time [TS]

00:45:51   right if you really like the feature why [TS]

00:45:53   in the world wouldn't you have it set to [TS]

00:45:56   and on at sundown it's I wonder if it's [TS]

00:45:59   a placeholder for something that's what [TS]

00:46:01   an awful lot of people suspect is that [TS]

00:46:05   it's a placeholder but what is it that [TS]

00:46:07   they think it's a placeholder for I [TS]

00:46:08   don't know there is something there's an [TS]

00:46:12   it's not occurring to me [TS]

00:46:13   yeah i mean . you could you could argue [TS]

00:46:15   play/pause button instead of the music [TS]

00:46:17   having its own [TS]

00:46:18   well that's the thing that's what I'm [TS]

00:46:19   going that yeah they're people because i [TS]

00:46:21   used to be room there for the little [TS]

00:46:23   playback controls hm and people that [TS]

00:46:25   does seem like one change that I think [TS]

00:46:27   has merit and it's not just the [TS]

00:46:30   resistance to change but that seems to [TS]

00:46:32   me like real people are not happy with [TS]

00:46:35   the playback controls being on a second [TS]

00:46:37   screen [TS]

00:46:37   yeah I don't haha I don't mind it so [TS]

00:46:41   much it's just it's the problem of [TS]

00:46:42   discovery right where people who are [TS]

00:46:45   used to control center just having one [TS]

00:46:46   pain they pull it up and they don't see [TS]

00:46:48   the tiny dots at the bottom they just [TS]

00:46:51   see the fact that there are no music [TS]

00:46:52   control so they automatically assume [TS]

00:46:53   that the music app just you can't [TS]

00:46:55   control it from control center anymore [TS]

00:46:57   it would be nice to be able to edit the [TS]

00:47:00   control center though to make capital [TS]

00:47:02   center something where you can configure [TS]

00:47:04   it to be just what you use [TS]

00:47:07   I completely agree to me maybe that's [TS]

00:47:10   the the placeholder for night shift some [TS]

00:47:12   people I'd I've also seen some people in [TS]

00:47:14   response to my tweets a why can't it be [TS]

00:47:16   like Notification Center we're just you [TS]

00:47:18   know you pull down from the top and [TS]

00:47:19   notification center is full screen [TS]

00:47:21   why doesn't control center full screen [TS]

00:47:23   there be room for everything on one [TS]

00:47:24   screen and i think that the obvious [TS]

00:47:27   answer to that is especially with the [TS]

00:47:29   plus you can't reach the stuff at the [TS]

00:47:32   top [TS]

00:47:32   yeah you know that it's it seems very [TS]

00:47:35   clearly designed to me that it's meant [TS]

00:47:38   to be reachable with one thumb and then [TS]

00:47:41   you know so therefore it really [TS]

00:47:43   shouldn't can't be full screen [TS]

00:47:45   yeah and if you try you can't use reach [TS]

00:47:49   ability when control centers active you [TS]

00:47:51   can with notification center but not [TS]

00:47:53   with control center reach abilities a [TS]

00:47:56   good one so I wrote in my iphone 7 [TS]

00:48:00   review that I had to turn reach ability [TS]

00:48:02   off because i found myself constantly [TS]

00:48:04   inadvertently invoking it [TS]

00:48:07   anecdotally asking around with a bunch [TS]

00:48:10   of friends on slack a the my friends a [TS]

00:48:16   lot of my friends have run into this [TS]

00:48:17   themselves and had to do the same thing [TS]

00:48:19   turn off readability and B they reported [TS]

00:48:24   that like the normals and their life I [TS]

00:48:26   God have been running into the same [TS]

00:48:29   thing and that the normal people have no [TS]

00:48:32   idea what the hell reach ability is and [TS]

00:48:35   that's just just don't know why their [TS]

00:48:37   screen is going down halfway [TS]

00:48:39   yeah I friend of the show John siracusa [TS]

00:48:41   said that his is mom and voted on her [TS]

00:48:44   iPad and his dad fixed it by restarting [TS]

00:48:46   the ipad but that it was so confusing [TS]

00:48:50   that it looked at it and I could see why [TS]

00:48:53   it seems that almost seems like a [TS]

00:48:54   drawing problem like if you run into is [TS]

00:48:56   a bizarre bug where the the computer is [TS]

00:48:59   drawing your screen halfway down [TS]

00:49:01   oh my god you run into this or no you [TS]

00:49:03   know I actually i was expecting to after [TS]

00:49:06   hearing a bunch of people get really [TS]

00:49:07   concerned about it with the new home [TS]

00:49:09   button and I actually haven't at all [TS]

00:49:11   I then maybe that's just because i have [TS]

00:49:15   used reach ability a fair amount when [TS]

00:49:17   i've been using the plus so I have [TS]

00:49:19   figured out kind of a way to trigger it [TS]

00:49:20   versus a way to just press the home [TS]

00:49:22   button the bigger problem that i've [TS]

00:49:24   actually been having and again this is [TS]

00:49:25   kind of a niche thing but I've had a [TS]

00:49:26   problem taking screenshots we're not [TS]

00:49:29   used to have no problem whatsoever but [TS]

00:49:32   because of the home button i now have [TS]

00:49:33   the same problem that i have on the [TS]

00:49:34   Apple watch where i have to press one [TS]

00:49:37   button and then the other to really make [TS]

00:49:38   the sure that the screenshot takes [TS]

00:49:40   especially if i'm doing something weird [TS]

00:49:41   like taking a picture of the camera app [TS]

00:49:43   while the camera app is open [TS]

00:49:45   I don't know why either I don't know why [TS]

00:49:48   in and subjective subjective preference [TS]

00:49:53   for the new home button versus the old [TS]

00:49:54   home button aside I find that my [TS]

00:49:57   screenshots have like a 50-percent [TS]

00:49:59   failure right now [TS]

00:50:00   uh-huh yeah neither the home button [TS]

00:50:03   takes me home before the screenshot [TS]

00:50:06   takes off or the power button hours off [TS]

00:50:09   with his friends and often or even get [TS]

00:50:11   off [TS]

00:50:13   I i found i have found the opposite [TS]

00:50:16   though I found that the only way I can [TS]

00:50:17   get it to work reliably is to [TS]

00:50:19   concentrate very hard [TS]

00:50:20   and simultaneously post you know very [TS]

00:50:22   with much concentration pressing both [TS]

00:50:24   buttons at the citizen it's even worse [TS]

00:50:27   on the plus model too because it's so [TS]

00:50:28   darn big [TS]

00:50:30   she's trying to time it is impossible [TS]

00:50:33   that's right anyway minor like those are [TS]

00:50:35   truly truly firstworldproblems yes and [TS]

00:50:38   not not a huge deal but but you know [TS]

00:50:41   it's things things that I certainly [TS]

00:50:43   wouldn't be adverse to an apple engineer [TS]

00:50:45   looking at and being like maybe we need [TS]

00:50:47   to adjust the timing [TS]

00:50:48   yeah I trying to think what else people [TS]

00:50:53   are complaining about like that might be [TS]

00:50:55   it [TS]

00:50:56   I yeah I hmmm on the iphone people i [TS]

00:51:02   mean people are complaining about the [TS]

00:51:03   home button behavior that aside or just [TS]

00:51:06   the feel of the home button but I i [TS]

00:51:08   don't know i really like the new home [TS]

00:51:10   button that's better for it [TS]

00:51:12   yeah what setting do you use i'm [TS]

00:51:15   currently i have the hardest click on [TS]

00:51:16   because I do let me just like the tap [TS]

00:51:18   the feel of the taptic engine so I like [TS]

00:51:21   having kind of that that Rumble when i [TS]

00:51:24   press it on the the home button but i [TS]

00:51:26   also like kinda III Matthew pans Reno [TS]

00:51:29   mentioned this in his review and I [TS]

00:51:31   thought that it was quite quite smart he [TS]

00:51:33   was saying oh I switch switch the the [TS]

00:51:35   severity of the taptic engine when i'm [TS]

00:51:38   doing things where I don't want to wake [TS]

00:51:39   up my baby or I want to do you know I [TS]

00:51:41   want to access the home button while i'm [TS]

00:51:43   on a podcast and I don't want to disturb [TS]

00:51:45   anybody and I'm like that's actually [TS]

00:51:46   brilliant because they're so there have [TS]

00:51:48   been so many times where i'm like i want [TS]

00:51:50   to test out an iphone or testing feature [TS]

00:51:52   in the middle of a podcast but but the [TS]

00:51:54   click on an old iphone especially if [TS]

00:51:57   you're doing it anywhere near the mic is [TS]

00:51:58   that is pretty prominent and it's it's [TS]

00:52:01   like a click on an old uh click on an [TS]

00:52:03   old trackpad or an old mouse i am still [TS]

00:52:06   firmly in the i prefer the old the hold [TS]

00:52:10   button a button and either it's been [TS]

00:52:12   enough time now that i think it's i [TS]

00:52:16   think it you know I forget when do I get [TS]

00:52:18   this one that I start using this must [TS]

00:52:20   have been three weeks three weeks yeah [TS]

00:52:21   but I can accept and Wi-Fi had that [TS]

00:52:26   feeling right from the start even just a [TS]

00:52:27   day in I was like I don't think I like [TS]

00:52:29   this I think [TS]

00:52:31   I prefer the other way but it's fine i'm [TS]

00:52:34   also on button button level three other [TS]

00:52:38   friend of the show though Ben Thompson [TS]

00:52:39   of strategic Rephaim is he loves the new [TS]

00:52:44   button and and that's where I'm going [TS]

00:52:46   with this is that it is very clear that [TS]

00:52:47   I don't like it as much other people you [TS]

00:52:49   Ben Thompson like it referred to the old [TS]

00:52:53   button been also is a proponent of [TS]

00:52:56   setting one he thinks that uh that [TS]

00:52:58   setting three is for people who want to [TS]

00:53:00   fake a button and that you should go [TS]

00:53:02   with the flow that it's not a not a [TS]

00:53:05   button and he likes it on setting number [TS]

00:53:08   one and so I on his advice i spent a day [TS]

00:53:11   and a half on setting one and I guess I [TS]

00:53:13   can kind of see it but then when I went [TS]

00:53:14   back to three I was like although this [TS]

00:53:16   is much nicer now I you know I just like [TS]

00:53:19   tactile sensation to this is like this [TS]

00:53:21   is the same reason why sometimes i will [TS]

00:53:23   just open up the date picker and just [TS]

00:53:25   play with it on the new models because [TS]

00:53:26   it's just like it's it's nice to feel [TS]

00:53:28   you on that i was thinking i I'm so glad [TS]

00:53:33   you said that because you mentioned with [TS]

00:53:35   the control center when you go to change [TS]

00:53:38   the brightness slider [TS]

00:53:39   yeah you if you miss you actually just [TS]

00:53:41   slide over to music [TS]

00:53:43   we should have a little tactic feedback [TS]

00:53:45   for the slider how that's a great idea [TS]

00:53:47   was a little tick tick tick [TS]

00:53:49   ya soon as you then you know that you've [TS]

00:53:51   got the little that the thing that you [TS]

00:53:54   actually slide em actually already have [TS]

00:53:56   the haptic and control center when you [TS]

00:53:58   slide up right you don't have a haptic [TS]

00:54:00   sliding side to side [TS]

00:54:01   well it would later no confirm for you [TS]

00:54:04   that you've you've got the oven or [TS]

00:54:06   whatever I i honestly think right now in [TS]

00:54:09   iOS 10 1002 I think we're on on the main [TS]

00:54:13   seed not tactic feedback is very I don't [TS]

00:54:16   want to say half hazard Lee implemented [TS]

00:54:19   but it's very much like the engineers [TS]

00:54:22   put in a bunch of potential things and [TS]

00:54:24   then left out a bunch of potential other [TS]

00:54:25   ones like let's see what sticks [TS]

00:54:27   let's see what people like let's see if [TS]

00:54:29   instead you know people might write and [TS]

00:54:31   say we hate all this tactic stuff but [TS]

00:54:33   every like there are places where i feel [TS]

00:54:35   like i should have tactic like in notes [TS]

00:54:37   tapping on a note to change to the [TS]

00:54:39   keyboard view I I wanted like a little [TS]

00:54:42   click there to let me know [TS]

00:54:44   I'm an editing view oh I'm out of [TS]

00:54:46   editing view or have you um no it's like [TS]

00:54:49   think it comes up like way and the way [TS]

00:54:51   that when you spin the datepicker it [TS]

00:54:53   feels like it's spinning in the [TS]

00:54:54   direction that you are spinning yeah the [TS]

00:54:57   keyboard when it slides up should have [TS]

00:55:00   like a slight chunk that would just [TS]

00:55:02   shake the signified yeah I had like a [TS]

00:55:05   slider phone and you'd you know like the [TS]

00:55:07   old palm pre you know obviously when you [TS]

00:55:10   slid the keyboard down it felt like [TS]

00:55:12   something was sliding down because it [TS]

00:55:14   was [TS]

00:55:14   mhm well and you have you have that [TS]

00:55:17   feeling for control center anyway so [TS]

00:55:18   it's a haptic that's already implemented [TS]

00:55:20   it was gonna go to any same as the [TS]

00:55:22   control central yeah [TS]

00:55:24   have you used this is my favorite haptic [TS]

00:55:27   maybe in the in the system if you go [TS]

00:55:30   over on the digital on the digital [TS]

00:55:32   keyboard on and you hold down not for [TS]

00:55:35   impressed mind you just long long press [TS]

00:55:37   on say the dash button it brings up a [TS]

00:55:40   little haptic to to change it from a [TS]

00:55:43   dash to an end to an end dash to an em [TS]

00:55:45   dash to a bullet and then when you're [TS]

00:55:47   sliding between those you have haptic [TS]

00:55:49   for all of those little those little [TS]

00:55:51   options and that is my favorite like as [TS]

00:55:54   soon as i discovered that that made me [TS]

00:55:57   look towards the future where I was [TS]

00:55:58   saying like where things are not so [TS]

00:56:00   haphazardly implemented and when perhaps [TS]

00:56:02   we might have the battery life to be [TS]

00:56:04   able to put the entire keyboard haptic [TS]

00:56:06   which I actually I really want to see a [TS]

00:56:09   a full haptic keyboard even just as a [TS]

00:56:12   proof of concept with the current taptic [TS]

00:56:13   engine because i think it would actually [TS]

00:56:15   be better not like obviously it's not [TS]

00:56:17   going to feel like a real keyboard but i [TS]

00:56:19   think it would be a lot better than [TS]

00:56:20   people currently think it might be [TS]

00:56:22   yeah I have that on the Moto X this is [TS]

00:56:28   that my at my most real i guess i'm [TS]

00:56:30   waiting for to google announces next [TS]

00:56:32   week but yeah it's the most recent [TS]

00:56:34   android device i bought it from december [TS]

00:56:36   2014 and it's the one that you could you [TS]

00:56:39   could pick what the material on the back [TS]

00:56:41   is never known [TS]

00:56:43   yeah that's a real gimmick but anyway [TS]

00:56:44   that if this phone has a haptic feedback [TS]

00:56:47   on the keyboard but it has no [TS]

00:56:49   directional sense at all [TS]

00:56:51   you know like so whether you're in that [TS]

00:56:53   the queue at the top left or the m [TS]

00:56:57   at the bottom right it's the same tap [TS]

00:56:59   whereas it seems like apples got [TS]

00:57:01   something and then new phones that has a [TS]

00:57:04   little bit of a you know X and y-axis [TS]

00:57:07   oh yeah there's definitely a rotational [TS]

00:57:09   motor and you kind of feel that even [TS]

00:57:11   just doing 3d touch on the home screen [TS]

00:57:13   or if you tap on something in sort of [TS]

00:57:15   the bottom right corner that's gonna [TS]

00:57:17   pull up a pull-up a widget going upwards [TS]

00:57:20   you can actually feel it going up as [TS]

00:57:22   opposed to pressing at the top of the [TS]

00:57:24   screen and having a widget going down [TS]

00:57:25   and I don't know how much of that is [TS]

00:57:27   brain trickery and how much of that is [TS]

00:57:28   actually the motor like jiggling in a [TS]

00:57:30   certain direction but it's it's nifty i [TS]

00:57:33   can't i have to imagine that they looked [TS]

00:57:35   into it and just either they weren't [TS]

00:57:37   satisfied and therefore didn't release [TS]

00:57:39   it or there's something had to have [TS]

00:57:41   tried it because yeah for all the things [TS]

00:57:43   that you know if we're going to start [TS]

00:57:45   putting haptic feedback in the OS the [TS]

00:57:48   keyboard had had to have been on the top [TS]

00:57:50   of the list of things to try [TS]

00:57:52   well that's I think that's got to be [TS]

00:57:54   their eventual goal like when they [TS]

00:57:55   talked about putting that the taptic [TS]

00:57:57   engine way back in the first generation [TS]

00:57:59   of the Apple watch that was my first [TS]

00:58:00   thought is I'm like this is this is our [TS]

00:58:02   our our slow path to getting a fully [TS]

00:58:05   haptic keyboard and having that work [TS]

00:58:07   properly but I I have to imagine that [TS]

00:58:10   happening is not quite where they want [TS]

00:58:12   it where they actually want to go to put [TS]

00:58:14   it on the keyboard because I think I [TS]

00:58:16   imagine their eventual goal is to [TS]

00:58:18   combine haptics with the pressure [TS]

00:58:20   sensitivity of the screen and really [TS]

00:58:22   like in a way that what 3d touch is [TS]

00:58:25   currently doing but if you can actually [TS]

00:58:27   feel depth which you can sort of with 3d [TS]

00:58:32   touch but not really and it requires a [TS]

00:58:34   much bigger touch target area but if you [TS]

00:58:37   could feel depth on those tiny little [TS]

00:58:38   keys like that that is potentially a [TS]

00:58:41   game-changer for mobile keyboards and [TS]

00:58:43   it's you know it it would have to be [TS]

00:58:45   done exactly right we feel like gimmick [TS]

00:58:47   and right now the the taptic engine and [TS]

00:58:49   does feel a little a little static but [TS]

00:58:51   the potential is there [TS]

00:58:53   the potential is there and you know I [TS]

00:58:55   said I i can tell it's not ready yet but [TS]

00:58:58   i still want a third-party keyboard that [TS]

00:59:00   just doesn't all have to keyboard just [TS]

00:59:01   for fun because i think it would be a [TS]

00:59:03   blast [TS]

00:59:06   I can't help but think it's coming i do [TS]

00:59:09   think iíve said [TS]

00:59:10   many times over the years that it it [TS]

00:59:14   often matters what's what stacked on 5 [TS]

00:59:18   10 years 15 years after something was [TS]

00:59:20   created as opposed to what was there [TS]

00:59:22   from the outset and hurt the force touch [TS]

00:59:26   and the haptic feedback to me has that [TS]

00:59:28   sort of it would be different and more [TS]

00:59:31   pervasive if it had been there right [TS]

00:59:33   from the original iphone you know it's [TS]

00:59:35   like like in the original iphone every [TS]

00:59:38   single control every every single [TS]

00:59:41   standard user interface control was was [TS]

00:59:44   reimagined from what that looks like on [TS]

00:59:46   the mac to accommodate the difference [TS]

00:59:49   between a touchscreen with a big fat [TS]

00:59:51   finger as opposed to a mouse and [TS]

00:59:53   keyboard and mouse pointer system where [TS]

00:59:56   you have this pixel level precision so [TS]

00:59:58   things like [TS]

00:59:58   things like [TS]

01:00:00   the the datepicker right where you get [TS]

01:00:03   it this spinning control on iOS as [TS]

01:00:05   opposed to a drop-down menu that you let [TS]

01:00:07   you get on [TS]

01:00:08   I think that if they had if they had a [TS]

01:00:10   3d touch from the beginning every [TS]

01:00:14   control would have some sort of haptic [TS]

01:00:15   feedback whereas like you said the arrow [TS]

01:00:18   like you said now it seems like half the [TS]

01:00:20   teams went through and added some have a [TS]

01:00:22   pic feedback any other some of the other [TS]

01:00:24   teams you know just like a yeah they're [TS]

01:00:28   like okay there's no there's pretty much [TS]

01:00:31   no haptic feedback in music for example [TS]

01:00:33   right [TS]

01:00:33   music is another one of those that has a [TS]

01:00:35   card that kind of flies up that could [TS]

01:00:36   use it but yeah there's not a high [TS]

01:00:39   really think it's an early we're seeing [TS]

01:00:41   it in kind of its early days and did you [TS]

01:00:45   get a chance [TS]

01:00:46   there was a nap on one of the demo [TS]

01:00:47   phones at the event a few weeks back [TS]

01:00:49   that was a music app where you could [TS]

01:00:52   play key [TS]

01:00:53   yes yeah yeah and it would have no idea [TS]

01:00:55   what that happens but i really want to [TS]

01:00:57   find it i might be able to get that for [TS]

01:00:59   you [TS]

01:01:00   yeah I i could probably email somebody [TS]

01:01:02   and get that that information but but I [TS]

01:01:05   just remember plate like playing around [TS]

01:01:07   with that and having a light bulb go off [TS]

01:01:09   in my head and being like this is what [TS]

01:01:12   Apple's waiting for is there not you [TS]

01:01:14   know they're there [TS]

01:01:15   yes playing with themselves but what [TS]

01:01:18   they're really waiting to see is how [TS]

01:01:19   third-party apps take advantage of [TS]

01:01:21   haptic and also i imagine where they can [TS]

01:01:24   steal like not necessarily steel is in a [TS]

01:01:26   bad way but still isn't it like as in [TS]

01:01:28   the pull to refresh kind of thing where [TS]

01:01:30   watch how third parties are doing it and [TS]

01:01:32   see if they're coming up with better [TS]

01:01:34   ideas than the internal team is coming [TS]

01:01:36   up with see if they're there they want [TS]

01:01:38   to try something different that we've [TS]

01:01:40   never thought of before [TS]

01:01:41   yeah so that I just don't know what the [TS]

01:01:43   name of it was but the demo app they had [TS]

01:01:44   put up like a piano keyboard that was [TS]

01:01:46   the width of the iphone and it not only [TS]

01:01:48   gave you the feedback the feedback seem [TS]

01:01:51   to correlate to the location of the key [TS]

01:01:53   you were pressing yeah that's the main [TS]

01:01:55   thing is it really did feel like it [TS]

01:01:58   wasn't just that the phone was clicking [TS]

01:02:00   it was that the keyed on the screen was [TS]

01:02:02   clicking yeah it's not just it's not a [TS]

01:02:04   rumble controller it's a specificity [TS]

01:02:06   consumer and and you could change you [TS]

01:02:10   can change how [TS]

01:02:11   heavy your press was and you could feel [TS]

01:02:13   that difference which was that was the [TS]

01:02:15   really like yeah [TS]

01:02:16   again it's that it's the pressure [TS]

01:02:18   combined with haptics which really makes [TS]

01:02:20   this not just like a nintendo rumble [TS]

01:02:23   Rumble controller but something much [TS]

01:02:25   more powerful [TS]

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01:03:43   much better knowing that everything on [TS]

01:03:46   your mac is backed up somewhere off-site [TS]

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01:04:26   think that's what i said and they went [TS]

01:04:27   and registered the domain just in case [TS]

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01:04:38   clubs if you go to black glaze . com [TS]

01:04:40   it'll just redirect you write you back [TS]

01:04:43   place . come so you could probably use [TS]

01:04:45   that and don't know you're coming from [TS]

01:04:46   the show too because i really doubt [TS]

01:04:47   anybody else is mangled that same way I [TS]

01:04:52   weird you were talking about the music [TS]

01:04:54   app I hear something yeah here's [TS]

01:04:57   something that I still don't get about [TS]

01:04:59   up going from one phone to another I [TS]

01:05:02   don't understand how i'm supposed to get [TS]

01:05:04   all my music from one to another it [TS]

01:05:06   seems to me like every time I upload I [TS]

01:05:08   back up my Mac I i do here's how i do [TS]

01:05:11   the phones i do it to the mac through [TS]

01:05:13   itunes because i think it's faster than [TS]

01:05:14   I cloud so i take my old phone or like [TS]

01:05:18   the review unit phone I used for two [TS]

01:05:20   weeks back it up to my mac and then I [TS]

01:05:22   take the new phone and go through the [TS]

01:05:24   initial setup and say restore from [TS]

01:05:26   itunes and then I connected to my back [TS]

01:05:28   and I restore it and it seems like you [TS]

01:05:30   know my music is here there's all got [TS]

01:05:32   the cloud and I don't know because i'm [TS]

01:05:34   using Apple music and I but I had all my [TS]

01:05:37   all of my music what I would like is to [TS]

01:05:39   have my entire personal music library on [TS]

01:05:42   the downloaded on the floor for all time [TS]

01:05:44   you know and then anytime anywhere on an [TS]

01:05:47   airplane or something like that I've got [TS]

01:05:48   all my music and I would like to use [TS]

01:05:50   Apple music to listen to anything else [TS]

01:05:52   that I want to listen to that I don't [TS]

01:05:54   maybe don't own as a as a thing and it [TS]

01:05:57   doesn't seem to me like I know how to do [TS]

01:05:58   that [TS]

01:05:59   yeah do you understand i do I completely [TS]

01:06:02   understand but only because I've spent [TS]

01:06:04   like practically a year troubleshooting [TS]

01:06:06   how quickly can you explain this to if [TS]

01:06:09   you can explain the yeah this will be [TS]

01:06:10   worth the entire episode of the show [TS]

01:06:12   okay so I'm from what I understand when [TS]

01:06:16   you restore from a backup of your phone [TS]

01:06:18   your previous phone had all of your [TS]

01:06:19   music locally or had or ideally that's [TS]

01:06:22   what you want right [TS]

01:06:23   ok so you had downloaded all of your [TS]

01:06:25   local music previously to your previous [TS]

01:06:26   phone and for some reason it did not [TS]

01:06:28   restore with that music alright alright [TS]

01:06:31   yeah ok [TS]

01:06:32   so I'm just as a guess because you have [TS]

01:06:35   I club music library installed i'm [TS]

01:06:38   thinking that apple says well you know [TS]

01:06:41   John obviously once you know wants his [TS]

01:06:44   apps restored and so we're going to make [TS]

01:06:46   it actually not deal with within itunes [TS]

01:06:49   backup now do you do you still get all [TS]

01:06:51   of your apps from the itunes backup or [TS]

01:06:53   does it make it download them from local [TS]

01:06:54   from the cloud i still have to download [TS]

01:06:56   them from the club and there that's the [TS]

01:06:58   trick then [TS]

01:06:59   so that's that's their argument there is [TS]

01:07:01   that to make your iTunes backup faster [TS]

01:07:03   and not you know not stress about it so [TS]

01:07:06   much we're going to save your your [TS]

01:07:08   information and make sure that all of [TS]

01:07:10   the data for your apps is all fine and [TS]

01:07:12   when you restore your apps that data [TS]

01:07:14   gets plugged back in but we are not [TS]

01:07:16   going to take the time to download [TS]

01:07:19   multiple gigabytes of apps to iTunes and [TS]

01:07:22   make you restore longer and probably the [TS]

01:07:24   same exact thing applies to your music [TS]

01:07:26   where it's like you may have downloaded [TS]

01:07:28   40 gigs of music onto your old iphone 7 [TS]

01:07:32   review unit but we're not going to wait [TS]

01:07:35   while 40 gigs of music is backed up to [TS]

01:07:38   this phone or backed up to your imac and [TS]

01:07:40   then rebat and then like transferred [TS]

01:07:42   back to your to your new iphone 7 that's [TS]

01:07:44   that's going to be that's going to be [TS]

01:07:46   too long for you you're gonna get [TS]

01:07:47   frustrated it's going to take half the [TS]

01:07:49   day so instead we're just going to say [TS]

01:07:51   ok if you want to redownload that music [TS]

01:07:53   you can from iCloud music library what I [TS]

01:07:56   don't get is when you restore a when you [TS]

01:07:58   to restore a an iphone you're at your [TS]

01:08:02   apps all downloads automatically i'm [TS]

01:08:03   surprised that it wouldn't download your [TS]

01:08:07   free download your music from the cloud [TS]

01:08:09   because it knows again it has that [TS]

01:08:10   metadata it knows what you had prior so [TS]

01:08:13   in theory that should happen as well if [TS]

01:08:15   we're following that same that same [TS]

01:08:17   model from the apps but it doesn't sound [TS]

01:08:19   like it's currently doing that and [TS]

01:08:21   that's that's the point of of contention [TS]

01:08:24   what I will say well that Apple has done [TS]

01:08:28   that's much better this time around with [TS]

01:08:31   iCloud music library than prior well a [TS]

01:08:34   they've made it so that if you're [TS]

01:08:37   subscribed to Apple music your music [TS]

01:08:40   gets uploaded to iCloud music library as [TS]

01:08:42   your music so there's no more drm which [TS]

01:08:45   is very helpful [TS]

01:08:46   goalkeeper unless you're downloading an [TS]

01:08:47   apple music song and that also allows [TS]

01:08:49   them to essentially split your library [TS]

01:08:52   so now I'm there's a there's a setting [TS]

01:08:55   I'm just going into settings really [TS]

01:08:56   quickly so I can remember what it's [TS]

01:08:58   actually called so I don't misquote here [TS]

01:09:00   but inside inside Apple music there's [TS]

01:09:03   now a setting called add playlist songs [TS]

01:09:05   and essentially when you add music from [TS]

01:09:10   the Apple music library on if you don't [TS]

01:09:13   have ADD playlist songs enabled those [TS]

01:09:16   those songs will just go into an apple [TS]

01:09:19   music playlist so they won't they won't [TS]

01:09:22   contaminate your library they'll just [TS]

01:09:24   kind of hang out sort of in and in an [TS]

01:09:28   apple music repository rather than [TS]

01:09:30   messing around with your local library [TS]

01:09:32   least that's how it worked in the beta [TS]

01:09:34   probably would've changed [TS]

01:09:36   I like yeah right yeah exactly that was [TS]

01:09:38   that's a really nice like subtle thing [TS]

01:09:39   and i believe it's turned off by default [TS]

01:09:41   it's all online and I don't remember [TS]

01:09:43   term kinds all right then maybe yeah it [TS]

01:09:45   might [TS]

01:09:46   it may have changed in the beta but that [TS]

01:09:50   is that is one option for kind of [TS]

01:09:52   separating your you're too and then also [TS]

01:09:54   of course there's the the downloaded [TS]

01:09:56   music option i think i feel like there [TS]

01:10:01   was an easier way to download a bunch of [TS]

01:10:03   I bunch of albums right now I didn't [TS]

01:10:06   find it and well you know i mean it also [TS]

01:10:10   is probably I'm like I'm tapping on the [TS]

01:10:12   my various albums and like maybe I have [TS]

01:10:14   all of my albums stored locally on this [TS]

01:10:16   phone [TS]

01:10:17   maybe that happened because I'm tapping [TS]

01:10:19   on all of them and it says delete from [TS]

01:10:20   library of course that maybe delete yeah [TS]

01:10:25   oh yeah [TS]

01:10:25   download there we go so you can download [TS]

01:10:28   by album and you can download by I know [TS]

01:10:31   you can't download by artist i would [TS]

01:10:33   just like to say yeah [TS]

01:10:34   download everything download all yeah I [TS]

01:10:37   wonder if you can do that in the music [TS]

01:10:39   settings and now we're just [TS]

01:10:40   troubleshooting on the arrow this is our [TS]

01:10:41   well we'll look at I mean yeah I wish I [TS]

01:10:44   anything I think that Apple music is [TS]

01:10:46   much better designed this year than last [TS]

01:10:49   I think it's a very promising sign that [TS]

01:10:52   they you know they got it that what they [TS]

01:10:54   was so confusing last year I still feel [TS]

01:10:56   like it has a long way to go [TS]

01:10:58   it really does there is automatic yeah [TS]

01:11:01   optimized storage is now [TS]

01:11:03   toggle which is really nice so you can [TS]

01:11:05   just keep your downloaded music as [TS]

01:11:07   you're downloading music right and [TS]

01:11:08   that's the feature where if your device [TS]

01:11:10   is running low on space it'll start [TS]

01:11:12   removing calling holy music that you [TS]

01:11:17   haven't played recently which yeah you [TS]

01:11:19   know is a pretty good feature all and i [TS]

01:11:21   will need stuff that you can redownload [TS]

01:11:22   if you if you need to [TS]

01:11:24   yeah i really wish there was an easier [TS]

01:11:26   way to download all music it's a little [TS]

01:11:28   frustrating i still feel like a [TS]

01:11:30   fundamental level it's it they're trying [TS]

01:11:33   to do away with the distinction between [TS]

01:11:34   my music my personal that the music [TS]

01:11:37   collection i started building when [TS]

01:11:38   Napster first collected i first started [TS]

01:11:40   you know downloading mp3's or are [TS]

01:11:43   turning my old CD collection and mp3's [TS]

01:11:45   and Apple music this then pay for that [TS]

01:11:49   has everything i still i just want I [TS]

01:11:52   just want all of my music which now [TS]

01:11:54   easily fits i forget how big my total [TS]

01:11:56   music libraries but it used to be in the [TS]

01:11:58   old days where you know like when the [TS]

01:12:00   eight gigabyte was the big iphone [TS]

01:12:01   couldn't have it all and now it's joke [TS]

01:12:05   it's I don't know if I've got like 10 [TS]

01:12:07   gigs of music or something like that [TS]

01:12:08   well a 256 gigabyte iphone can have it [TS]

01:12:10   all easily and then some write and [TS]

01:12:14   record some 4k video to write so then no [TS]

01:12:17   matter where I am if I have no network [TS]

01:12:18   access whatsoever i'm in an elevator on [TS]

01:12:21   an airplane [TS]

01:12:23   I know that I at least have all the [TS]

01:12:26   music that it's my music and I can play [TS]

01:12:29   it all right now [TS]

01:12:30   mhm so anyway that's the way it should [TS]

01:12:32   be [TS]

01:12:34   I may be in there that when they finally [TS]

01:12:37   redesign itunes haha ah you know maybe I [TS]

01:12:40   don't know [TS]

01:12:41   alright so what did you end up buying a [TS]

01:12:44   phone for yourself yet it did what I [TS]

01:12:46   ended up i ended up buying a jet black [TS]

01:12:49   iphone 7 plus and you have already i had [TS]

01:12:52   well I have it because I ordered it I [TS]

01:12:54   didn't know that Renee and I were going [TS]

01:12:57   to be getting review units until a [TS]

01:13:00   couple days before the launch [TS]

01:13:02   so I ordered mine at 3am 301 am on the [TS]

01:13:05   app on here apple store app from bed [TS]

01:13:07   because I wasn't sure when [TS]

01:13:10   what if like [TS]

01:13:11   otherwise when I would be getting a [TS]

01:13:12   phone so i just i went ahead and i was [TS]

01:13:14   just like i really don't like I really i [TS]

01:13:16   hate hate the plus sorry hashtag Mike [TS]

01:13:19   was wrong but I i wanted the camera [TS]

01:13:24   features and I knew that if I was going [TS]

01:13:26   to be writing about the camera features [TS]

01:13:28   i kind of need the bigger phone but I I [TS]

01:13:31   was like you know I also 14 days so if I [TS]

01:13:34   really you know despise the the giant [TS]

01:13:37   phone carrying then i can i can return [TS]

01:13:39   it and go back to an iphone 7 or wait [TS]

01:13:41   like a million weeks to get an iphone 7 [TS]

01:13:43   probably so I have that and then i have [TS]

01:13:45   an iphone 7 and an iphone 7 plus that [TS]

01:13:49   are my review units so i actually have [TS]

01:13:51   jet-black iphones and both models no one [TS]

01:13:53   come rob me this huh [TS]

01:13:56   you might get you must have gotten your [TS]

01:13:57   order in like at 301 that's Eastern oh [TS]

01:13:59   yeah oh yeah IIM was probably one of the [TS]

01:14:02   first people at least in my twitter feed [TS]

01:14:04   who actually got the app open and [TS]

01:14:07   showing on the ordering screen and I [TS]

01:14:08   still I still was pushed out a week like [TS]

01:14:11   I didn't get my seven plus until of I [TS]

01:14:14   don't know the middle of last week I [TS]

01:14:16   think that was the first batch I really [TS]

01:14:17   do [TS]

01:14:18   yeah well they went they went quickly i [TS]

01:14:21   think it was like two people i know got [TS]

01:14:22   them on release day and well what did it [TS]

01:14:25   was it the plus size because like the [TS]

01:14:27   plus jet-black yeah that's amazing if [TS]

01:14:29   they they must have really been like in [TS]

01:14:31   the first right on night yeah I had a [TS]

01:14:33   lot of trouble with the app and in years [TS]

01:14:36   past the app always seemed like that was [TS]

01:14:38   the way to go to use the iphone app to [TS]

01:14:40   order so i switched like 10 minutes in [TS]

01:14:43   to a guy after 10 minutes of different [TS]

01:14:46   things are not going well switch to the [TS]

01:14:49   website and the website actually worked [TS]

01:14:51   perfectly [TS]

01:14:52   I just really loop new iphone poop no [TS]

01:14:54   paraffin I had a I had no problems with [TS]

01:14:59   the app once i got it to actually load [TS]

01:15:01   my initial thing was just I mean I would [TS]

01:15:03   I was doing probably the horrible thing [TS]

01:15:06   that no Apple server tech wants to hear [TS]

01:15:09   which is at y soon as 3000 one hit [TS]

01:15:14   I kept on force quitting the app and [TS]

01:15:17   then reloading force quitting reloading [TS]

01:15:18   force quitting reloading it's like that [TS]

01:15:20   the the horrible version of the you know [TS]

01:15:23   man refresh on a mac and I got through [TS]

01:15:26   probably 302 303 and other people were [TS]

01:15:28   trying to do that didn't get through [TS]

01:15:30   until 315 I think it wasn't clear if you [TS]

01:15:33   just left the app open whether it would [TS]

01:15:34   reload [TS]

01:15:36   yeah they're always true it wasn't clear [TS]

01:15:38   i I my assumption was that it would but [TS]

01:15:40   since I don't know force quitting I know [TS]

01:15:43   it's going to reload so therefore I [TS]

01:15:44   force quit [TS]

01:15:45   exactly exactly it's the same principle [TS]

01:15:48   way back when with the liveblogs if they [TS]

01:15:50   wanted to know if they just would have [TS]

01:15:52   printed on the do you know the store was [TS]

01:15:55   down before before they enabled it [TS]

01:15:57   represent you know if they would just [TS]

01:15:59   put on that page saying that the stores [TS]

01:16:01   down that there is no need to refresh [TS]

01:16:03   then I would have tried I would have [TS]

01:16:04   trusted them and I would have left it [TS]

01:16:05   open but yeah it also says macrumors i [TS]

01:16:10   don't know if you saw this it this [TS]

01:16:11   morning has a report from a min chi kuo [TS]

01:16:17   the supply chain guru that jet black [TS]

01:16:21   models are suffering from a quote low [TS]

01:16:23   casing production yield rate meaning [TS]

01:16:26   thirty to forty percent of the units [TS]

01:16:28   that they are making don't pass apples [TS]

01:16:30   quality standards this never hide and [TS]

01:16:33   doesn't I don't think there's any [TS]

01:16:34   difference between the regular size and [TS]

01:16:36   plus I now now now there or at least [TS]

01:16:39   there isn't anything in his data that [TS]

01:16:40   was released to to MacRumors but what I [TS]

01:16:43   do think i'm not surprised by it [TS]

01:16:46   given how touchy jet-black is to begin [TS]

01:16:49   with and you know the deal with [TS]

01:16:50   scratches and everything else but [TS]

01:16:52   specifically you know the I don't know [TS]

01:16:54   if you notice this you have at least one [TS]

01:16:56   jet black review model right i have i'm [TS]

01:16:59   a jet-black review model and my the 1i [TS]

01:17:01   bought is the park is jet black yeah the [TS]

01:17:04   the thing that that we were noticing it [TS]

01:17:07   and I'm or is that the unlike pretty [TS]

01:17:11   much every other model of iphone 7 [TS]

01:17:13   there's a little bit of a of a perfect [TS]

01:17:17   like a prudent for the sim card if you [TS]

01:17:20   put your finger on the on the side with [TS]

01:17:22   jet black iphone you've got a little bit [TS]

01:17:24   of a bump there where if whereas if you [TS]

01:17:26   do that on anything like on another [TS]

01:17:28   iphone 7 like on a mat iphone 7 you [TS]

01:17:31   don't really feel that so much [TS]

01:17:33   and I I have to think that there are [TS]

01:17:35   little bits little things like that with [TS]

01:17:37   the with the anodization especially [TS]

01:17:40   because of the way they do this in the [TS]

01:17:42   the double n is the decision process [TS]

01:17:43   with you know I i'm going to get it [TS]

01:17:46   wrong if i try and describe it in detail [TS]

01:17:48   so I'm just going to avoid it but I mean [TS]

01:17:50   there's there's a lot of technology that [TS]

01:17:52   goes into making this phone [TS]

01:17:54   look the way it does which is honestly [TS]

01:17:57   the kind of magical in terms of like how [TS]

01:18:00   ridiculous it ends up looking if I don't [TS]

01:18:03   indifferent all princess and the pea [TS]

01:18:04   mode i would i would claim and I think I [TS]

01:18:07   could I could do this blindfolded I that [TS]

01:18:10   my review unit iphone 7 in jet black the [TS]

01:18:14   sim card pretty prudence is almost [TS]

01:18:16   indistinguishable and on this one that I [TS]

01:18:19   but now owned it is noticeable not like [TS]

01:18:22   not like i am complaining about it not [TS]

01:18:25   it's not [TS]

01:18:26   yeah but it is slightly different from [TS]

01:18:29   yeah and I imagine all of them are [TS]

01:18:32   slightly different like on my review [TS]

01:18:34   iphone 7 it is much more noticeable than [TS]

01:18:37   on my 7 + m and there's def a definite [TS]

01:18:42   cut out so you happy that you order [TS]

01:18:45   jet-black for yourself [TS]

01:18:46   oh yeah without a question I I was a [TS]

01:18:48   little nervous about it initially [TS]

01:18:52   because I really wasn't sure how badly [TS]

01:18:55   it would scratch up and whether or not [TS]

01:18:57   the the material finish would be enough [TS]

01:19:00   that i would feel comfortable keeping it [TS]

01:19:02   caseless especially with the seven plus [TS]

01:19:05   being as massive as it is but I have you [TS]

01:19:08   know I've been rocking the review unit [TS]

01:19:10   in the case because I generally try not [TS]

01:19:11   to destroy apples materials and then [TS]

01:19:15   where is really better than the ones i [TS]

01:19:17   own and I don't either . viewers don't [TS]

01:19:19   think they're that was reputed yeah the [TS]

01:19:22   only thing i've done to the the poor [TS]

01:19:23   review unit is made it film underwater a [TS]

01:19:25   bunch of times and it seems to be okay [TS]

01:19:27   good good good phone but um I my 7 plus [TS]

01:19:31   i got in jet black no regrets i love [TS]

01:19:33   love the tactile finish i've got [TS]

01:19:35   probably don't know I'm like the thing [TS]

01:19:38   is I've got it i know i've got a ton of [TS]

01:19:40   scratches on this thing but unless i'm [TS]

01:19:42   looking at indirect light i really can't [TS]

01:19:44   see them that [TS]

01:19:45   is the the beauty and the curse of the [TS]

01:19:47   jet black finish is that in in sunlight [TS]

01:19:50   or indirect light you can see every [TS]

01:19:52   single scratch and like Ramona and cry [TS]

01:19:54   and like have it hurt your heart up but [TS]

01:19:57   in every other lighting and just by [TS]

01:20:00   holding it in your hand you can't you [TS]

01:20:02   can't feel the scratches on the casing [TS]

01:20:03   on you can't really notice them and even [TS]

01:20:07   in direct sunlight it just it it looks [TS]

01:20:11   again it ages it is starting to age well [TS]

01:20:14   as opposed to just looking like i could [TS]

01:20:17   have seen a version of this maybe not an [TS]

01:20:19   apple phone that had a sort of this kind [TS]

01:20:22   of aluminum metallization where the [TS]

01:20:24   second you get a scratch you can start [TS]

01:20:26   to see like the aluminum under the black [TS]

01:20:29   casing and it starts feeling really [TS]

01:20:31   weird and just not not ending up being a [TS]

01:20:34   good experience but I'm I'm pretty [TS]

01:20:36   impressed in how they have ended up [TS]

01:20:38   doing that was the problem that people [TS]

01:20:39   had with space black on the the iphone 5 [TS]

01:20:45   0 it was just scratches and we're going [TS]

01:20:47   to college but yeah I think so it was [TS]

01:20:49   either you won't you might have just [TS]

01:20:51   been black it might have been before the [TS]

01:20:53   era of space blank whatever it was I [TS]

01:20:55   liked it but it when it did scratch or [TS]

01:20:58   flake especially around that beveled [TS]

01:21:00   edge it did show like the puerile you [TS]

01:21:03   know the more aluminum naturally [TS]

01:21:05   aluminium color underneath [TS]

01:21:07   mhm and I do feel like they've gone back [TS]

01:21:10   to these dark colors because they've got [TS]

01:21:11   it down now where it the anodization [TS]

01:21:15   layers like deep enough that like even [TS]

01:21:17   if you get a scratch the scratches still [TS]

01:21:19   the same color as the is that the the [TS]

01:21:22   you know the regular yeah virgin device [TS]

01:21:25   you know [TS]

01:21:26   yeah i remember and an apple [TS]

01:21:28   spokesperson talking to me about having [TS]

01:21:30   the anodization doing a double coat of [TS]

01:21:32   anodization and having one of them seep [TS]

01:21:34   into the pores of the aluminum which I [TS]

01:21:36   that may or may not be an actual [TS]

01:21:38   description of like how that process [TS]

01:21:39   actually works but I i can definitely [TS]

01:21:41   believe that idea and we did I will say [TS]

01:21:45   it r.i.p Renee's review unit because he [TS]

01:21:48   did drop it a couple of times into into [TS]

01:21:51   water at semi high velocities and [TS]

01:21:53   there's a there's a little bit of a [TS]

01:21:54   shift corner on one of the phones [TS]

01:21:57   and that one the the very visible chip [TS]

01:22:01   does have a lighter aluminum look to it [TS]

01:22:03   than the rest than the just normal [TS]

01:22:05   run-of-the-mill scratches but I think [TS]

01:22:07   that's to be expected if you like if you [TS]

01:22:09   physically like smash a corner of your [TS]

01:22:11   phone into into pavements you're [TS]

01:22:14   probably not going to retain that that [TS]

01:22:15   beautiful finish my screen didn't break [TS]

01:22:17   so it is a finish you mean is it's not [TS]

01:22:20   magic it's not like they know you know [TS]

01:22:21   well I don't maybe there's something [TS]

01:22:22   maybe they could make that aluminum but [TS]

01:22:25   it's it is a Finnish not just like that [TS]

01:22:27   the metal itself is that color [TS]

01:22:29   yeah i'm connor percent convinced i've [TS]

01:22:31   made the right call for me personally it [TS]

01:22:33   took me a long time now even when i [TS]

01:22:35   recorded a week ago with jim i was i [TS]

01:22:37   still have that was up on the fence [TS]

01:22:38   along language the right mode but now [TS]

01:22:40   i'm convinced and I really don't even [TS]

01:22:42   care what it looks like after a year [TS]

01:22:43   even if it's all scratched up the feel [TS]

01:22:45   alone is it is enough for me because [TS]

01:22:48   i've always been i mean it's starting [TS]

01:22:53   with the five even 55 s6 success so for [TS]

01:22:57   four generations [TS]

01:22:58   I've always been a little unhappy with [TS]

01:23:01   the slipperiness of the aluminum back [TS]

01:23:03   and it was particularly bad with the [TS]

01:23:05   iphone 6 and anecdotally broken backed [TS]

01:23:09   up by the fact that the iphone 6 was the [TS]

01:23:11   one and only iphone I've ever cracked [TS]

01:23:13   screen on [TS]

01:23:14   yep and i remember last year with the [TS]

01:23:18   success asking [TS]

01:23:20   when it when i got the review and had [TS]

01:23:25   the briefing i said this feels more [TS]

01:23:26   tactile to me you know did you guys [TS]

01:23:28   change something or is it just that my [TS]

01:23:30   old my personal old iphone has warned [TS]

01:23:32   you know and they denied it they said oh [TS]

01:23:35   that's interesting you know that it's [TS]

01:23:37   like for your way that when apple [TS]

01:23:38   doesn't want to talk about something [TS]

01:23:39   they won't do not they won't say no they [TS]

01:23:41   won't say you're crazy they'll say it's [TS]

01:23:43   interesting you would say so no I don't [TS]

01:23:44   think but I think that were willing to [TS]

01:23:48   disclose right and i just think that [TS]

01:23:50   they didn't want to say that the old one [TS]

01:23:52   was slippery so they didn't wear the new [TS]

01:23:54   one is less slippery but it clearly was [TS]

01:23:56   to me and it seems like everybody I know [TS]

01:23:58   who's had both backs it up but the [TS]

01:24:00   difference with jet-black is just night [TS]

01:24:01   and day it's it's oh yeah it's just not [TS]

01:24:04   slippery at all and that to me is like [TS]

01:24:06   it it just feels so much better coming [TS]

01:24:09   in and out of my pocket i find so much [TS]

01:24:11   more certain that i'm not going to fat [TS]

01:24:13   finger the phone then it's worth it [TS]

01:24:17   somebody posted a picture on Twitter the [TS]

01:24:18   other day showing their old either very [TS]

01:24:21   original or like first or second year I [TS]

01:24:24   ipod even though I'm yeah I forget who [TS]

01:24:28   posted the picture but the back of the [TS]

01:24:30   ipod was a very shiny polished mirror [TS]

01:24:33   aluminum and it they all got scratched [TS]

01:24:36   to hell [TS]

01:24:37   oh yeah and the original case right that [TS]

01:24:40   it you know nobody complete you know [TS]

01:24:42   we've we've got to the point now where [TS]

01:24:44   we're and you know if your personality [TS]

01:24:46   type is the such that you the idea of [TS]

01:24:48   these quote-unquote micro-operations [TS]

01:24:50   bothers you it seems to me that's very [TS]

01:24:52   clearly half of the reason why they have [TS]

01:24:54   regular black in addition to jet black i [TS]

01:24:56   think the other half being the [TS]

01:24:58   aforementioned production problems with [TS]

01:24:59   jet-black but it's you know if you're [TS]

01:25:03   bothered by spy the idea of a easily [TS]

01:25:05   micro of abrasion to finish don't get it [TS]

01:25:09   you know [TS]

01:25:10   yeah but I'm no one is forcing you to to [TS]

01:25:13   get the jet black iphone but if you if [TS]

01:25:15   you don't care so much about resale [TS]

01:25:17   value and I think that is a big concern [TS]

01:25:18   for folks especially overseas as you [TS]

01:25:21   know I'm gonna get this phone but I'm [TS]

01:25:22   gonna keep it in pristine condition for [TS]

01:25:24   a year and then able to resell it and [TS]

01:25:27   what's the Apple upgrade program i think [TS]

01:25:29   I floats out to more countries and more [TS]

01:25:33   are you know more areas that will become [TS]

01:25:36   less of an issue maybe possibly although [TS]

01:25:39   I mean it's still you're talking about [TS]

01:25:40   reselling into the grey market which is [TS]

01:25:42   a whole different question but that's [TS]

01:25:44   that's the only reason why I could think [TS]

01:25:46   to to avoid the jet black or to get the [TS]

01:25:48   jet black and then immediately put in [TS]

01:25:49   the into a case because you can you know [TS]

01:25:52   my my review unit my iphone 7 jet-black [TS]

01:25:54   has basically been a Senate case since [TS]

01:25:57   the day I got it the day after i got it [TS]

01:26:00   and it it has maybe maybe one or two [TS]

01:26:03   scratches on the back and then the one [TS]

01:26:06   the one night that I kept it out of its [TS]

01:26:09   case to do some some photo test it and [TS]

01:26:12   this is this is my own my own damn fault [TS]

01:26:15   i had also gotten a brand-new nylon band [TS]

01:26:19   and I had taken it out of its you know [TS]

01:26:21   out of the the packaging from the apple [TS]

01:26:23   store and I'd put the nylon band in my [TS]

01:26:25   pocket and I put the iphone 7 in my [TS]

01:26:27   pocket and the nylon bands buckle rubbed [TS]

01:26:31   up against the front upper corner have [TS]

01:26:33   to pour iphone 7 so it has this now very [TS]

01:26:36   very smooth din set of scratches from [TS]

01:26:40   that nylon band behold just kind of [TS]

01:26:43   etching its way in there and it doesn't [TS]

01:26:45   again you can't you cannot tell that [TS]

01:26:47   it's scratched at all unless you catch [TS]

01:26:49   the light mints and then if it's like a [TS]

01:26:52   circle of circle of doom here otherwise [TS]

01:26:55   you know it looks fine i do feel that [TS]

01:26:57   the term micro abrasion it's slightly [TS]

01:26:59   euphemistic but I feel like it's [TS]

01:27:01   warranted because for me the definition [TS]

01:27:03   between a scratch and a micro operation [TS]

01:27:05   is these micro operations and this is [TS]

01:27:06   all I've seen on both of the ones I have [TS]

01:27:08   here are exactly like you said you have [TS]

01:27:10   to catch the light at the right angle [TS]

01:27:11   and look for them and then you can see [TS]

01:27:14   them but you can't feel them with your [TS]

01:27:16   hand and you can't even feel them with [TS]

01:27:18   like your fingernail and to me and [TS]

01:27:20   scratches something that you can you can [TS]

01:27:22   see it in regular light and/or will add [TS]

01:27:28   something that you can feel with your [TS]

01:27:29   skin or your fingernail [TS]

01:27:30   mhm there's a I gotta scratching on my [TS]

01:27:34   iphone 6s plus on the screen that is [TS]

01:27:37   very noticeable that's like a fingernail [TS]

01:27:40   take a scratch and I you know this i [TS]

01:27:43   I've put the seven plus since i got it [TS]

01:27:45   through some fairly hefty like [TS]

01:27:47   it was out on the beach doing some [TS]

01:27:49   photography for my upcoming Apple watch [TS]

01:27:51   review on and I i managed to walk away [TS]

01:27:54   from this thing not only being near the [TS]

01:27:56   beach but also being dipped in the water [TS]

01:27:58   and like swim swim around with sand [TS]

01:28:01   particles and dust particles and [TS]

01:28:02   everything else and it came out of it [TS]

01:28:04   pretty much per scene so I really think [TS]

01:28:08   that although the yield rate may be low [TS]

01:28:10   on the jet black it's probably for a [TS]

01:28:13   good reason and I I kind of feel for [TS]

01:28:15   Apple shipping department and their and [TS]

01:28:17   their production lines because I'm sure [TS]

01:28:19   having the yield rate below is a pain in [TS]

01:28:22   the ass for for their profit margins and [TS]

01:28:24   everything else but it's resulting and I [TS]

01:28:26   hopefully a much better overall product [TS]

01:28:28   for people when they finally get them [TS]

01:28:29   into their hands [TS]

01:28:30   yeah i and I've said this before and i [TS]

01:28:33   will probably say it again all year long [TS]

01:28:34   I actually feel bad for regular black [TS]

01:28:36   because i love it i love the regular [TS]

01:28:39   precious i almost got it [TS]

01:28:40   I wish that they'd come out with a year [TS]

01:28:42   ago so that I would have had a year [TS]

01:28:43   where I gotta use the regular black [TS]

01:28:45   because i like it so much more than [TS]

01:28:47   space Gray's sort of a my dark and my [TS]

01:28:50   light and she's really little stronger [TS]

01:28:54   I really feel bad that at this new [TS]

01:28:56   finish that i absolutely love that i [TS]

01:28:59   didn't i'm not gonna actually own here's [TS]

01:29:03   my hope is that they bring the exact [TS]

01:29:05   same flat black aluminum finish to the [TS]

01:29:07   macbook pro yes I would love that and I [TS]

01:29:11   do lie i really like the the flat black [TS]

01:29:13   aluminum I thought that was the phone [TS]

01:29:15   that i was going to get until I touched [TS]

01:29:16   the jet black and I think yield rate and [TS]

01:29:19   cost aside even if the was exact same [TS]

01:29:22   yield rate and cost for Apple I think [TS]

01:29:25   jet-black would be wrong for the macbook [TS]

01:29:27   pro I feel like you year you know like [TS]

01:29:31   okay so there's fingerprints that you [TS]

01:29:33   know that you can wipe off on this but [TS]

01:29:35   the fingerprints are always pointed away [TS]

01:29:36   from me right [TS]

01:29:38   if you know in the back of the phone [TS]

01:29:40   whereas like on the palm rest on your [TS]

01:29:41   macbook it would I think it would be I [TS]

01:29:44   think would be really ugly [TS]

01:29:45   well so you remember though I I'm i [TS]

01:29:47   think about Apple's history with black [TS]

01:29:49   laptops and I think about the wall [TS]

01:29:51   street and I think about the black [TS]

01:29:52   macbook and although I mean I can't have [TS]

01:29:55   they ever really made a glossy computer [TS]

01:29:56   aside from the ibooks outer shell know [TS]

01:30:00   it [TS]

01:30:00   don't think so i just think its glossy [TS]

01:30:02   is just wrong for a macbook yeah it just [TS]

01:30:05   doesn't feel right so that's what my [TS]

01:30:07   hope is they bring that that that same [TS]

01:30:08   black to the macbook pros and i'll get [TS]

01:30:11   to own it [TS]

01:30:12   yeah oh sure thats i would i would buy a [TS]

01:30:15   new black mac laptop in a heartbeat [TS]

01:30:18   yeah i would buy what I'm so superficial [TS]

01:30:21   private island even if it didn't have [TS]

01:30:23   any but if it was like whoa going on [TS]

01:30:25   actually the same this is a two-year-old [TS]

01:30:26   intel cpu it's black rights mine let me [TS]

01:30:35   thank our third and final sponsor i [TS]

01:30:38   start more i want to ask you about but [TS]

01:30:40   it's a good time to break i want to [TS]

01:30:42   thank awesome attic [TS]

01:30:43   this is a automatic makes the little [TS]

01:30:46   adapter it's a typical dongle dingus [TS]

01:30:48   take a little dingus and it turns your [TS]

01:30:50   car whether it's new [TS]

01:30:52   whether it's kind of old into a smart [TS]

01:30:54   connected car every single car made [TS]

01:30:59   since like $MONTH 1997 as the standard [TS]

01:31:01   port somewhere under the dash and it's [TS]

01:31:06   where when you go to the mechanic you go [TS]

01:31:07   to your you know wherever you go to get [TS]

01:31:09   your car inspected and stuff like that [TS]

01:31:10   they plug in and it's a standard adapter [TS]

01:31:13   and it's where they get all the [TS]

01:31:14   diagnostic information from your cars [TS]

01:31:16   computers automatic is a dongle that you [TS]

01:31:20   plug in there on your own you plug it in [TS]

01:31:22   yourself and it gives you so much more [TS]

01:31:25   information about your car you probably [TS]

01:31:27   didn't even know your car could give you [TS]

01:31:28   this information I have on for a while I [TS]

01:31:31   love it it's great [TS]

01:31:33   that's the old one though they have a [TS]

01:31:34   nude automatic has just launched [TS]

01:31:35   automatic pro it is their new unlimited [TS]

01:31:38   3g car adapter which has no monthly fees [TS]

01:31:42   or subscription so it you think that's [TS]

01:31:44   too good to be true well [TS]

01:31:45   amazon has been doing the same thing [TS]

01:31:47   with the kindle for a while where you [TS]

01:31:48   can get a 3g kindle and you don't pay [TS]

01:31:50   for the 3g service [TS]

01:31:52   I don't know how they worked out this [TS]

01:31:53   deal but they worked it out so now your [TS]

01:31:56   automatic you plug in your car it's got [TS]

01:31:58   3g networking you don't pay it's just [TS]

01:32:01   part of this is built into the price of [TS]

01:32:02   the device and then you can do things [TS]

01:32:04   like if you forget where you parked or [TS]

01:32:06   like if you share a car with somebody [TS]

01:32:08   else in your house and [TS]

01:32:09   you don't know where they parked the [TS]

01:32:11   just launch the app and i'll tell you [TS]

01:32:13   right where the car is they have so many [TS]

01:32:15   things in the app it's obvious stuff [TS]

01:32:18   like your gas mileage and you know what [TS]

01:32:21   kind of miles per gallon you're getting [TS]

01:32:23   it can give you tips on how to drive to [TS]

01:32:25   be more efficient with stuff like that [TS]

01:32:26   but say it you can totally nerd out with [TS]

01:32:30   automatic they connect to ifttt so you [TS]

01:32:34   can get an almost endless customization [TS]

01:32:36   just things like connecting to if you [TS]

01:32:39   have a nest thermostat your house or [TS]

01:32:40   Amazon echo you can do things like once [TS]

01:32:43   your car is within five minutes of home [TS]

01:32:46   change the temperature in the house it [TS]

01:32:48   you don't do anything it just you just [TS]

01:32:50   set it up and then it happens [TS]

01:32:51   automatically [TS]

01:32:52   it is really really great and it's just [TS]

01:32:55   amazing because you don't get there's no [TS]

01:32:57   monthly fees or anything like that blue [TS]

01:32:59   not just for the cell service but for [TS]

01:33:01   the device you just buy it own it and [TS]

01:33:03   indeed use it for free it is so great [TS]

01:33:06   what a great deal [TS]

01:33:07   normally it costs a hundred $29.95 so [TS]

01:33:10   let's call it a hundred and thirty use [TS]

01:33:13   on use this exclusive offer code though [TS]

01:33:17   the talk show and you will save twenty [TS]

01:33:20   bucks so go to automatic dot-com / the [TS]

01:33:24   talk show [TS]

01:33:26   automatic calm / the talk show and you [TS]

01:33:29   can get this cool device and save twenty [TS]

01:33:33   bucks at the same time really really [TS]

01:33:36   just a great great product at a [TS]

01:33:38   unbelievable price you can even you know [TS]

01:33:43   even as Apple watch support unbelievable [TS]

01:33:45   so go check them out automatic calm / [TS]

01:33:47   the talk show [TS]

01:33:49   you've been doing a lot of stuff with [TS]

01:33:52   the cameras you and Renee with the [TS]

01:33:54   iphone and I saw last night it was last [TS]

01:33:56   night but it was certainly over the [TS]

01:33:58   weekend where you were doing like [TS]

01:34:01   product review photography of Apple [TS]

01:34:03   watch and had what did you say it was [TS]

01:34:07   like you is it a glider what was it that [TS]

01:34:09   you were talking about [TS]

01:34:10   oh yeah so I'm a slider slider so yeah [TS]

01:34:13   with a and actually I didn't even know [TS]

01:34:16   this was the professional term for it [TS]

01:34:17   until you're filming with the michael [TS]

01:34:19   fisher I who used to work for pocket [TS]

01:34:23   someone and now works on his own YouTube [TS]

01:34:26   channel and he brought these big giant [TS]

01:34:28   slider rigs to put his camera on which [TS]

01:34:30   are basically exactly what they sound [TS]

01:34:32   like where you put your camera on a on a [TS]

01:34:34   big like horizontal thing and then you [TS]

01:34:37   move your camera all along the slider [TS]

01:34:40   real wall year while you're filming and [TS]

01:34:43   it grew and it makes for those like [TS]

01:34:44   beautiful nice pans that you see in [TS]

01:34:47   product in product videos or like this [TS]

01:34:51   the slow zooms the you know basically [TS]

01:34:53   it's like it's like a tiny steadicam [TS]

01:34:55   break for the for the ground for a table [TS]

01:34:58   and I don't have any of that equipment [TS]

01:35:02   because I i do some i some geography but [TS]

01:35:07   i'm not you know I i generally am only [TS]

01:35:09   doing videos for your specific for [TS]

01:35:12   specific events and and I think it was [TS]

01:35:15   last year when we started experimenting [TS]

01:35:17   with the idea of could we shoot a review [TS]

01:35:20   video on a phone i did a the iphone [TS]

01:35:23   success review entirely on my iphone as [TS]

01:35:26   a as a fun like just as a throwback [TS]

01:35:29   after Renee did his official review and [TS]

01:35:32   in order to shoot like those beautiful [TS]

01:35:35   like pretty device shots and like well I [TS]

01:35:38   can't shoot this even with my i have [TS]

01:35:40   like a couple of different pseudo steady [TS]

01:35:42   camera rigs for the phone and even with [TS]

01:35:45   those rigs I can't shoot a nice slow pan [TS]

01:35:48   without it looking jittery and in too [TS]

01:35:52   much for final cut to fix and so while I [TS]

01:35:55   was filming this stuff I had kind of an [TS]

01:35:56   epiphany last year and I'm like wait a [TS]

01:35:59   second what if I shoot in slo-mo so ice [TS]

01:36:03   I i flipped over to the slow mo slider [TS]

01:36:05   and I made sure it was I think it's like [TS]

01:36:06   1 120 frames per second 1080p and and [TS]

01:36:10   then just shot the same the same pan but [TS]

01:36:13   shot in slo-mo with my rig and when you [TS]

01:36:16   play it back in slow motion [TS]

01:36:18   it looks almost identical to using those [TS]

01:36:21   sliders i have just done it I've put a [TS]

01:36:24   link to your tweet with it which has the [TS]

01:36:26   video in the show notes and people can [TS]

01:36:27   go i was blown away [TS]

01:36:29   I honestly I just not part of it is that [TS]

01:36:31   I'm like I'm an idiot and I still run a [TS]

01:36:35   website that like it's 2001 and you know [TS]

01:36:38   there are no videos this is but probably [TS]

01:36:41   the best I i feel like i wanted i I it [TS]

01:36:44   made me realize that like I wouldn't use [TS]

01:36:46   it I wouldn't have a reason to do it for [TS]

01:36:48   that you know like a product review shot [TS]

01:36:50   of Apple watch but I realized looking at [TS]

01:36:52   that that I'm vastly under using slow [TS]

01:36:55   motion video in . just for like my [TS]

01:36:58   personal use [TS]

01:36:59   it's it's like it hasn't really gotten [TS]

01:37:02   into my head that I have an amazing [TS]

01:37:03   slow-motion camera and that it it can [TS]

01:37:07   make all sorts of things interesting [TS]

01:37:10   like i tend to only think of the most [TS]

01:37:11   obvious thing like catching my kid a tad [TS]

01:37:16   like the be jumping off a rock into the [TS]

01:37:17   ocean well shoot that in slo-mo that'll [TS]

01:37:20   look cool you know but that's like the [TS]

01:37:21   most obvious that's like the first thing [TS]

01:37:23   everybody think so that's your [TS]

01:37:24   traditional slo-mo shot right you get [TS]

01:37:27   you can get like like four just shooting [TS]

01:37:29   like a panorama or something like that i [TS]

01:37:31   think it smooths out the motion in a [TS]

01:37:33   amazing way it is not believable to me [TS]

01:37:35   that you should that this video in your [TS]

01:37:37   tweet was shot with phone i know with an [TS]

01:37:40   hour without like I'm some kind of [TS]

01:37:41   complicated tracking rigged with a [TS]

01:37:44   slider whatever they call it it really [TS]

01:37:46   is amazing that and on top of that that [TS]

01:37:49   particular shot that was shot freehand [TS]

01:37:51   that wasn't even shot with like Oh with [TS]

01:37:53   stabilizer rig or anything that was just [TS]

01:37:55   shot with my hands [TS]

01:37:56   yeah thanks to iterate that doesn't make [TS]

01:37:58   any sense to me I mean it's amazing [TS]

01:38:01   yeah it's it's a really really great [TS]

01:38:04   shot [TS]

01:38:04   thank you i have really been having a [TS]

01:38:07   ton of fun with these cameras not only [TS]

01:38:09   with the seven plus and portrait mode [TS]

01:38:11   and all that stuff but even with video i [TS]

01:38:14   think one of the things that people are [TS]

01:38:16   kind [TS]

01:38:16   discounting is that the iphone 7 with [TS]

01:38:20   optical image stabilization becomes [TS]

01:38:22   pretty great for low-light photography [TS]

01:38:24   but becomes amazing for video all of a [TS]

01:38:27   sudden like that the iphone 7 is now a [TS]

01:38:29   camera that I feel as comfortable [TS]

01:38:32   shooting with as i did with the with my [TS]

01:38:35   success plus which prior to that the 6s [TS]

01:38:37   plus was the only thing i would use to [TS]

01:38:39   film anything with because it just it it [TS]

01:38:42   looked too shaky and it didn't it didn't [TS]

01:38:44   have the same you know the the right [TS]

01:38:46   temperature and color tone that I wanted [TS]

01:38:49   because the the 0 is just you know there [TS]

01:38:51   wasn't there at all i had was digital [TS]

01:38:53   image stabilization and now that the [TS]

01:38:54   seven has that that's a huge step up for [TS]

01:38:57   anybody who wants to shoot video and [TS]

01:38:59   then you combine that with the with the [TS]

01:39:01   f-18 aperture on the wide angle lens and [TS]

01:39:04   it means that you can shoot video in [TS]

01:39:06   lower light situations it means that [TS]

01:39:08   you're slow mo in lower light situations [TS]

01:39:10   is going to look better and that's even [TS]

01:39:12   that's even a almost a bigger deal is a [TS]

01:39:14   240 unfortunately their 240 frames per [TS]

01:39:18   second slow motion is still limited to [TS]

01:39:20   720p which is kind of a bummer I was [TS]

01:39:22   kind of hoping that they would bump up [TS]

01:39:23   maybe maybe we'd c4k slow-motion this [TS]

01:39:27   year but it's you know there's only so [TS]

01:39:29   much only so much you can do with a with [TS]

01:39:31   a tiny tiny sensors [TS]

01:39:33   well I think for case a big jump I just [TS]

01:39:35   getting it getting the 240 frames per [TS]

01:39:37   second a 1080 would be well exactly [TS]

01:39:39   exactly i was hoping that we saw [TS]

01:39:41   everything move up slightly one so maybe [TS]

01:39:43   we got 4k at like 60 frames per second [TS]

01:39:46   right and then we got a we still have [TS]

01:39:48   1080 at 120 and maybe 1088 240 would [TS]

01:39:51   have been really nice to see but even so [TS]

01:39:54   you can do 720 720 p at 240 frames per [TS]

01:39:59   second now and in a dark room that used [TS]

01:40:03   to be a non-starter [TS]

01:40:04   it was just you know i would try and [TS]

01:40:05   film i used to do roller derby tests all [TS]

01:40:08   the time for personal emotion and the [TS]

01:40:11   240 frames per second option just was [TS]

01:40:14   just know it wouldn't work in the dark [TS]

01:40:16   in any kind of like indoor practice [TS]

01:40:17   space and now it's a legitimate option [TS]

01:40:19   it's still not great because 720p but [TS]

01:40:22   you can actually you can use it without [TS]

01:40:24   feeling like it's the worst thing that [TS]

01:40:26   you've ever done in your life with a [TS]

01:40:28   camera [TS]

01:40:29   I I mean that's not exactly high praise [TS]

01:40:32   but it's there there's some definite [TS]

01:40:34   advances that come with both both Oh is [TS]

01:40:37   on the seven but also that that larger [TS]

01:40:39   aperture on on both the 727 applause and [TS]

01:40:42   the zoom feature did you link to austin [TS]

01:40:45   man's yes adventure in Rwanda if you [TS]

01:40:49   watch that video I that they shot that [TS]

01:40:52   entire video on 7th loss which is kind [TS]

01:40:54   of amazing 222 sort of imagine on but it [TS]

01:40:59   on top of that they did several times [TS]

01:41:02   during during the shoot they had video [TS]

01:41:05   where they actually sort of jumped on [TS]

01:41:07   that not even a rack focus but like jump [TS]

01:41:10   jumped from the friends from the 1x lens [TS]

01:41:13   to the to excellence and there's a [TS]

01:41:14   little bit of software stutter in [TS]

01:41:17   between the two but overall it's it's a [TS]

01:41:19   really cool way to to snap onto a [TS]

01:41:23   subject and something that I wouldn't be [TS]

01:41:25   surprised if we saw that got used more [TS]

01:41:27   often in photography [TS]

01:41:29   yeah it's a it is it [TS]

01:41:32   well I've tried not to talk about [TS]

01:41:34   because i'm not going to use a public [TS]

01:41:35   place first if this isn't it hurts my [TS]

01:41:38   heart to talk about but you don't want [TS]

01:41:40   to talk about portrait mode and all I [TS]

01:41:41   know I you know got to be a big boy from [TS]

01:41:45   that you know use the small phone I've [TS]

01:41:46   gotta go to face up to it on now but it [TS]

01:41:49   does it is one of those things where I [TS]

01:41:50   thought out but this doesn't even work [TS]

01:41:52   you know midway through a video but it [TS]

01:41:54   does and it's it is pretty cool i do [TS]

01:41:58   think I think optic is sometimes with [TS]

01:42:00   camera stuff it's like when you get all [TS]

01:42:02   nerdy and start listing these the [TS]

01:42:05   technical specs you know everybody knows [TS]

01:42:07   megapixels [TS]

01:42:08   I think it's finally gotten through to [TS]

01:42:09   almost everybody that megapixels is not [TS]

01:42:12   a simple the bigger the number the [TS]

01:42:14   better wanted versus quality and it's [TS]

01:42:17   it's it you know there's the factors [TS]

01:42:19   like noise because you have more of [TS]

01:42:21   these you know the more light you know [TS]

01:42:23   having fewer pixels but having the [TS]

01:42:25   pixels on the sensor be bigger so that [TS]

01:42:26   heat soak up more light is actually way [TS]

01:42:28   better than having more pixels and [TS]

01:42:30   you'll even if you'd even if your goal [TS]

01:42:32   is to blow the picture up real big your [TS]

01:42:34   you get a better image on optical image [TS]

01:42:37   stabilization is one of those things [TS]

01:42:38   where it just you know it everybody can [TS]

01:42:41   kind of figure out what it means it's [TS]

01:42:42   you know it's a very clear term and you [TS]

01:42:44   know like the illustration that Apple [TS]

01:42:46   uses where they showed that the little [TS]

01:42:47   and sort of bouncing on a you know [TS]

01:42:49   little suspended thing you get it but [TS]

01:42:51   the practical effects of it are so [TS]

01:42:53   dramatic [TS]

01:42:54   especially for video because I gotta [TS]

01:42:56   still photography you don't really you [TS]

01:42:58   may not know that optical image [TS]

01:42:59   stabilization help because it just means [TS]

01:43:01   you can get us a clearer picture with [TS]

01:43:04   less light but you may not realize you [TS]

01:43:06   don't have to realize that it is but [TS]

01:43:07   with video it really is a very clear [TS]

01:43:10   difference in in typical just consumer [TS]

01:43:13   what you know fashion like you're at a [TS]

01:43:16   the the soccer game for your kid and [TS]

01:43:19   you're just you know holding the phone [TS]

01:43:21   out in front of you and panning it or if [TS]

01:43:24   you're walking and especially walking [TS]

01:43:26   write and the just the baby even if you [TS]

01:43:27   try to keep it stable the the motion [TS]

01:43:30   that you get without optical image [TS]

01:43:32   stabilization when you shoot video is [TS]

01:43:34   really distracting [TS]

01:43:36   visually it just looks unprofessional [TS]

01:43:38   and the difference with OIS is so [TS]

01:43:41   dramatic it's not like oh and it really [TS]

01:43:43   improves it a little bit it really does [TS]

01:43:45   make it look like you've got a Steadicam [TS]

01:43:48   uh-huh like me and I the world's best [TS]

01:43:50   steadicam operator but it does look like [TS]

01:43:52   your phone is you know somehow floating [TS]

01:43:54   through the air [TS]

01:43:55   it's really remarkable both in the am [TS]

01:43:58   the shots that we did for the iphone 7 [TS]

01:44:00   review and also the shots that I was [TS]

01:44:02   having Rick help me with for the Apple [TS]

01:44:03   watch review there are a couple of shots [TS]

01:44:05   were again he's freehanding walking [TS]

01:44:08   backwards on a bike path while i'm [TS]

01:44:09   talking directly and I get that I take [TS]

01:44:11   the initial video of that and put it [TS]

01:44:13   into final cut pro and I'm like I'm [TS]

01:44:15   going to to click the stabilization [TS]

01:44:17   button and then I actually watched the [TS]

01:44:18   video and I'm like this doesn't even [TS]

01:44:20   need stable [TS]

01:44:21   that's ridiculous that's not fair her [TS]

01:44:23   like this that we've come so far and [TS]

01:44:26   especially I remember the the first time [TS]

01:44:29   I got to play with a phone that had 0 is [TS]

01:44:31   which is was the six plus i believe was [TS]

01:44:34   the first one shooting video on the six [TS]

01:44:36   plus specifically with the with Derby [TS]

01:44:41   and shooting video while being on roller [TS]

01:44:44   skates and shooting somebody on roller [TS]

01:44:45   skates [TS]

01:44:47   despite the little tiny bumps that [TS]

01:44:49   happen when you're rolling [TS]

01:44:50   unpaved an inner or badly paid and [TS]

01:44:52   concrete it looked like I was basically [TS]

01:44:55   running a seven hundred dollar rig and I [TS]

01:44:57   remember the you know the two years [TS]

01:44:59   before that when i actually had a [TS]

01:45:01   Steadicam break for the iphone for that [TS]

01:45:04   I had I had gotten from from steadicam [TS]

01:45:06   from as a refuge unit when they were [TS]

01:45:09   trying to market steadicam thanks for [TS]

01:45:12   for the iphone and thinking this this [TS]

01:45:15   iphone this iphone 6s or 6 plus shoots [TS]

01:45:19   better more stable video then the you [TS]

01:45:22   know $200 steadicam break that i was [TS]

01:45:25   playing around with all those years ago [TS]

01:45:28   that's crazy being a dedicated 4.7 inch [TS]

01:45:31   iphone user and not not liking the [TS]

01:45:33   plus-size it bothered me a lot more last [TS]

01:45:36   year when the plus gato is for video [TS]

01:45:38   than it did in the previous year where [TS]

01:45:41   the plus did have optical image [TS]

01:45:44   stabilization but only for stills amor [TS]

01:45:46   ya weigh less because I've you know shot [TS]

01:45:49   enough low light stuff you know amateur [TS]

01:45:52   style in my life where I know the tricks [TS]

01:45:55   like resting the camera on a table or [TS]

01:45:58   something so that I'm not just my hand [TS]

01:46:00   you know in low-light like ways to you [TS]

01:46:02   know keep the camera is still as [TS]

01:46:04   possible to to do that i'm not saying [TS]

01:46:06   like my little resting the camera on [TS]

01:46:09   something to hold it stable is as good [TS]

01:46:11   as is but i felt like i could compensate [TS]

01:46:14   for stills but for video there's no [TS]

01:46:16   there is no there's no way to to [TS]

01:46:18   simulate it it's a cast and fantastic [TS]

01:46:21   feature and it i see people posting and [TS]

01:46:24   I see people just posting just you know [TS]

01:46:25   typical not really thinking about it [TS]

01:46:28   I've got my camera i'm just going to [TS]

01:46:29   quick shoot a video of this weird thing [TS]

01:46:31   I just saw on this you know there's a [TS]

01:46:32   weird thing i saw on the sidewalk the [TS]

01:46:35   video looks so much better stabilized [TS]

01:46:37   mhm and well and on top of that and you [TS]

01:46:40   think about how I phones have been used [TS]

01:46:42   to cover news breaking events things [TS]

01:46:45   like that [TS]

01:46:45   yeah you know for someone to be able to [TS]

01:46:47   pull out a phone at a rally or you know [TS]

01:46:50   God forbid watching somebody get hurt by [TS]

01:46:53   a another member of society and be able [TS]

01:46:55   to film that and have that that footage [TS]

01:46:57   is now broadcast quality its 4k that's [TS]

01:47:00   that's pretty impressive the two biggest [TS]

01:47:02   differences i think it [TS]

01:47:03   as consumer cameras have gotten to be so [TS]

01:47:05   good at high def video the two biggest [TS]

01:47:07   differences between like professional [TS]

01:47:08   footage and amateur footage [TS]

01:47:09   stabilization and focal length you know [TS]

01:47:13   the lenses and that's still where the [TS]

01:47:15   plus has the advantage where people [TS]

01:47:17   somebody if somebody shooting like [TS]

01:47:18   breaking news event but it can't get [TS]

01:47:20   close for whatever reason they can [TS]

01:47:21   switch to 2x mode and get a dramatically [TS]

01:47:24   different picture but when they do that [TS]

01:47:26   you don't think he there is no o is on [TS]

01:47:27   the 2x mode right now there's no is on [TS]

01:47:30   the telephoto so it's a it's much [TS]

01:47:32   Shakespeare both and you know in still [TS]

01:47:35   photo and video but it is pretty [TS]

01:47:37   remarkable like you know I've been [TS]

01:47:39   playing around a lot with the zoom and [TS]

01:47:42   digital zoom is still digital zoom it's [TS]

01:47:44   not gonna you know blow the doors down [TS]

01:47:46   anything when you start shooting at five [TS]

01:47:48   or 10 x but the fact remains that you [TS]

01:47:51   can now shoot at five and 10 x8 both in [TS]

01:47:54   still photography still photographs and [TS]

01:47:56   video and even though the video again [TS]

01:47:59   you're going to have fuzzy video and [TS]

01:48:02   like very fuzzy video at 10x but you're [TS]

01:48:04   going to have the ability to focus on [TS]

01:48:06   that like tiny thing that you're zoomed [TS]

01:48:08   into whereas if you were just shooting [TS]

01:48:10   at like one x and then try to blow it up [TS]

01:48:13   artificially later you were going to get [TS]

01:48:15   a much fuzzy picture and being able to [TS]

01:48:18   shoot at ten act like I i thought this [TS]

01:48:20   was going to be complete garbage and I [TS]

01:48:22   was never going to use it and I'm still [TS]

01:48:24   you know it's still not great but for [TS]

01:48:27   things like we were just talking about [TS]

01:48:28   for things like news broadcasts are [TS]

01:48:30   breaking you know important things you [TS]

01:48:33   can get a legible picture at 10x it's [TS]

01:48:36   not going to be a great picture it's not [TS]

01:48:37   gonna be a picture that i really want to [TS]

01:48:39   put on the news but it is a legible [TS]

01:48:41   picture you can see what's happening [TS]

01:48:43   yeah it's it's a impressive difference [TS]

01:48:46   you know in the same way that before we [TS]

01:48:48   had the second lens that you could shoot [TS]

01:48:49   at 2x and you knew it was digital but [TS]

01:48:51   you know I brought you know you couldn't [TS]

01:48:53   get it exactly because i didn't show you [TS]

01:48:54   exactly but you know you know when you [TS]

01:48:56   pinch that you're you're not really [TS]

01:48:58   pushing your luck with digital zoom too [TS]

01:49:00   much you know it could get closer to [TS]

01:49:03   something and it was usable but now by [TS]

01:49:05   starting with that telephoto lens it's [TS]

01:49:07   it's really amazing [TS]

01:49:09   yeah it is i should i guess i should [TS]

01:49:11   clarify on video you can only go up to [TS]

01:49:13   6x but its equivalent to the [TS]

01:49:16   framing of tennis masters videos pushed [TS]

01:49:19   in react cropped sensor century yeah so [TS]

01:49:23   portrait mode portrait mode [TS]

01:49:26   this is the part this is the part where [TS]

01:49:27   I'm gonna start crying if it well youyou [TS]

01:49:31   got to play with it this weekend right [TS]

01:49:33   you're playing it on your review unit i [TS]

01:49:34   did I put it on friday or thursday i [TS]

01:49:37   think it was last Thursday I did is I [TS]

01:49:39   your flickr photos [TS]

01:49:40   Jonas yeah and some of them turned out [TS]

01:49:43   great and it's sort of a no-lose [TS]

01:49:46   situation I'd by default because it [TS]

01:49:48   shoots it is that all it should you know [TS]

01:49:50   by default you get both and so if it [TS]

01:49:52   does something undesirable it with your [TS]

01:49:56   image by blurring something that she [TS]

01:49:57   probably should have been blurred or [TS]

01:49:59   putting like sometimes your heads look [TS]

01:50:01   like there's a halo around them it does [TS]

01:50:02   the edge detection on hair sometimes [TS]

01:50:04   imperfect the worst-case scenarios you [TS]

01:50:07   just delete the one with the depth [TS]

01:50:08   effect and you've still got the no [TS]

01:50:10   nothing fancy was applied this is just [TS]

01:50:14   the image shot with the the camera [TS]

01:50:15   picture and it also the fact that it [TS]

01:50:19   does both really does make it fun to [TS]

01:50:21   compare if you want to nerd out and try [TS]

01:50:23   to figure out how that they're doing [TS]

01:50:24   this [TS]

01:50:25   yep and you're like oh which is which is [TS]

01:50:27   blurred and how much is blurred and it [TS]

01:50:29   was interesting because i did a [TS]

01:50:31   time-tested this that my first thought [TS]

01:50:33   is music became live is that the beta [TS]

01:50:36   was the developer beta was I think live [TS]

01:50:38   on Thursday there is your wednesday [TS]

01:50:40   because that public beta was live on [TS]

01:50:42   Thursday and so when I downloaded it my [TS]

01:50:45   first thought was well you know Apple [TS]

01:50:47   keeps joking that it's going to compete [TS]

01:50:49   against it or that it looks you know at [TS]

01:50:52   small-scale least indistinguishable from [TS]

01:50:54   a DSLR so I'm like well let me just take [TS]

01:50:56   my entry level DSLR and shoot comparison [TS]

01:50:58   photos so I shot the same like 12 photos [TS]

01:51:02   side-by-side one with a canon rebel xti [TS]

01:51:05   with a 40-millimeter 2.8 portrait lens [TS]

01:51:08   and one with portrait mode on the seven [TS]

01:51:11   plus and you know it's not getting its [TS]

01:51:14   still a DSLR and it still has a much [TS]

01:51:16   better sensor and a much better you know [TS]

01:51:18   I ad- in a full-frame it's a crop frame [TS]

01:51:21   right camera but you know for comparing [TS]

01:51:25   a eight-hundred-dollar camera too [TS]

01:51:28   nine hundred dollar smartphone the seven [TS]

01:51:31   plus takes photos that are in fifty to [TS]

01:51:35   sixty percent of cases on on this beta [TS]

01:51:38   this number [TS]

01:51:39   you know betta number one not even [TS]

01:51:41   really available for public consumption [TS]

01:51:43   outside of the public beta program it [TS]

01:51:45   takes photos that are up to a certain [TS]

01:51:49   point comparable to the DSLR which is [TS]

01:51:52   that that is a little bit mind-blowing [TS]

01:51:54   it's like I've taken great photos on an [TS]

01:51:56   iphone before and great photos that I've [TS]

01:51:58   preferred to a photo that my cannon shot [TS]

01:52:01   but the but 22 not necessarily show up [TS]

01:52:05   the cannon and a 40-millimeter portrait [TS]

01:52:07   but to play in the same ballpark is that [TS]

01:52:10   to like go into a major league baseball [TS]

01:52:12   game and be like no I'm not going to bat [TS]

01:52:14   400 but I'm still gonna hit some pitches [TS]

01:52:16   and I'm gonna maybe like get a double or [TS]

01:52:18   triple every now and again like from a [TS]

01:52:20   cell phone camera that that blows my [TS]

01:52:23   mind [TS]

01:52:23   it's a very Phil Schiller feature [TS]

01:52:26   because i know that Phil is a serious [TS]

01:52:29   amateur photography enthusiasts and he [TS]

01:52:31   really described it so fairly onstage [TS]

01:52:34   because he emphasized he went over [TS]

01:52:36   backwards to emphasize that in no way [TS]

01:52:37   shape or form does this feature on the [TS]

01:52:39   iphone pose any threat to digital SLR as [TS]

01:52:44   the terms of a genuine image quality [TS]

01:52:46   yeah it right it's not going to replace [TS]

01:52:48   your DSLR but some of the shots that you [TS]

01:52:51   get with this are in this is it like [TS]

01:52:54   here too for uncharted territory between [TS]

01:52:59   what you get with these little tiny [TS]

01:53:02   lenses and sensors on phones and what [TS]

01:53:05   you can get with an SLR like it isn't [TS]

01:53:08   side-by-side the image quality is you [TS]

01:53:10   know not going to do the fake boca isn't [TS]

01:53:12   going to compare to the real shallow [TS]

01:53:14   depth of field of a nice camera but when [TS]

01:53:17   you just look at the image it is on when [TS]

01:53:20   it works it's so much better than the [TS]

01:53:22   image you were going to get without this [TS]

01:53:23   effect [TS]

01:53:24   oh yeah and it's when it and when it [TS]

01:53:27   works well it's it's incredible it's one [TS]

01:53:29   of those things where you i hate i hate [TS]

01:53:31   this phrase but it's still relevant it's [TS]

01:53:34   the whole best cameras the camera that [TS]

01:53:36   you have with you idea and it's like the [TS]

01:53:39   t4i is a wonderful [TS]

01:53:41   camera and I definitely like I bring it [TS]

01:53:43   along when i'm going to things where I [TS]

01:53:46   want semi-professional photos like [TS]

01:53:48   weddings or vacations things where I [TS]

01:53:51   really want to have beautiful memories [TS]

01:53:53   and I want like to be able to shoot some [TS]

01:53:55   artsy photography and with the iphone 7 [TS]

01:54:00   plus like things I wouldn't bring it [TS]

01:54:02   along to or are like events like I went [TS]

01:54:04   to yesterday where Rick and I went to [TS]

01:54:06   like a corn maze and like picked out [TS]

01:54:08   pumpkins and I'm like I'm not gonna [TS]

01:54:09   bring a fancy camera to shoot pumpkins [TS]

01:54:11   on because you know it's that I don't [TS]

01:54:14   know it's not it's not 2006 this is not [TS]

01:54:17   this is not my life anymore but I shot a [TS]

01:54:20   whole bunch of stuff on the seven plus [TS]

01:54:22   and looking through those photos I'm [TS]

01:54:24   like these are not again these are not [TS]

01:54:26   photos that are going to beat the t4i if [TS]

01:54:28   I had brought the t4i along but I'm not [TS]

01:54:31   regularly carrying my rebel my rebel [TS]

01:54:34   doesn't fit into my back pocket and for [TS]

01:54:37   me to be able to get photos that are [TS]

01:54:39   like 75% the quality of the rebel and [TS]

01:54:42   photos that i would feel comfortable [TS]

01:54:43   even because they were in good light [TS]

01:54:46   blowing up 22 like a picture frame or [TS]

01:54:49   something like that like that's that's [TS]

01:54:51   pretty fantastic that's not that's a [TS]

01:54:53   really wonderful step forward for mobile [TS]

01:54:55   photography the threshold for do I want [TS]

01:54:57   this heavy camera on a strap around my [TS]

01:54:59   neck all afternoon is getting higher and [TS]

01:55:02   higher Mars getting raised for just how [TS]

01:55:05   much I care about the pictures to do it [TS]

01:55:07   yes exactly how many years of these [TS]

01:55:11   pictures going to be in in rotation and [TS]

01:55:14   you know have how big a size am i going [TS]

01:55:16   to eventually want to blow them up [TS]

01:55:18   I am so curious as to how long it's [TS]

01:55:22   going to take for this dual camera [TS]

01:55:24   system to trickle down to the smaller [TS]

01:55:26   size like is I I'd you know is next year [TS]

01:55:30   too soon it might be because it's you [TS]

01:55:32   know like optical image stabilization [TS]

01:55:34   took 22 years [TS]

01:55:36   yeah a little of course when it when it [TS]

01:55:39   came it came for both image and video [TS]

01:55:41   you know that is true so it's like less [TS]

01:55:44   than two years behind it's like you know [TS]

01:55:46   it it caught up to where they were last [TS]

01:55:48   year [TS]

01:55:48   yeah I I think it's really going to [TS]

01:55:50   depend on [TS]

01:55:52   how the form factor changes if at all in [TS]

01:55:55   the next iPhone because you know they're [TS]

01:55:57   there of course rumors of the idea of [TS]

01:55:59   getting rid of the top and the bottom of [TS]

01:56:00   the bezel and making the iphone a little [TS]

01:56:02   bit smaller [TS]

01:56:03   you know squat wise and while that would [TS]

01:56:08   be awesome from a holding a plus model [TS]

01:56:11   perspective it does mean that you're [TS]

01:56:13   taking away usable space for things like [TS]

01:56:15   sensors and battery and stuff along [TS]

01:56:18   those lines so I get it thats that is [TS]

01:56:21   gonna be a big question if they change [TS]

01:56:22   the form factor are they still going to [TS]

01:56:24   have enough space to to add the double [TS]

01:56:27   lens camera on the seven and if they do [TS]

01:56:30   are they going to have enough space to [TS]

01:56:32   to add stabilization to the second lens [TS]

01:56:34   on the plus because i think that's [TS]

01:56:36   that's the no-brainer next step feature [TS]

01:56:38   work putting any bigger the the seventh [TS]

01:56:42   the telephoto sensor also has a smaller [TS]

01:56:44   sensor than the the wide-angle lens and [TS]

01:56:47   that's that's also something that's like [TS]

01:56:48   damaging the photos a little bit not [TS]

01:56:51   only time i think that one though is a [TS]

01:56:52   factor of like if you do the sideways [TS]

01:56:55   drawing of the lens optics it's yeah [TS]

01:56:57   it's impossible idea i think it's [TS]

01:56:59   actually impossible unless they made the [TS]

01:57:01   bump stick out further that they're sort [TS]

01:57:03   of like a macbook the sensor size is [TS]

01:57:05   determined by ok if we make the lens [TS]

01:57:07   this is how big the lens will be [TS]

01:57:09   circumference this is how thick the lens [TS]

01:57:11   you know how far out we're going to [TS]

01:57:13   allow it to protrude on the bond then [TS]

01:57:15   you just draw these lines and then that [TS]

01:57:17   defines how big the sensor is so I think [TS]

01:57:19   that I the consternation that people had [TS]

01:57:22   about the sensor size of the telephoto [TS]

01:57:25   thing was misplaced because there's [TS]

01:57:27   there's nothing that can be done about [TS]

01:57:28   that [TS]

01:57:29   yeah it's it's physics there's anybody [TS]

01:57:31   with a wider if they put a wider angle [TS]

01:57:33   lens like a fish islands you can get an [TS]

01:57:35   even bigger sensor because it would you [TS]

01:57:37   know [TS]

01:57:38   mhm but because of the objects right [TS]

01:57:40   yeah absolutely [TS]

01:57:42   oh is that would be a huge one why do [TS]

01:57:45   you think why do you think that portrait [TS]

01:57:47   mode is in beta [TS]

01:57:49   I on it's better than I thought I [TS]

01:57:52   thought it was going to be like crashy [TS]

01:57:53   not it seems to me like the only [TS]

01:57:56   problems it has is that it's still [TS]

01:57:59   sometimes you know buzzes out the side [TS]

01:58:01   of your head or something like that [TS]

01:58:02   yes data it i mean suit [TS]

01:58:05   here's by my curiosity and my question [TS]

01:58:08   is I wonder if they're using [TS]

01:58:09   differential privacy and in the beta [TS]

01:58:15   together like anonymous information [TS]

01:58:17   about these photos to faithful two [TS]

01:58:20   better figure out I don't know how they [TS]

01:58:21   would have a little because I didn't [TS]

01:58:23   happen to anything privacy well now he [TS]

01:58:25   didn't it seems like it's all just right [TS]

01:58:27   there you just had to opt in to say I [TS]

01:58:29   agree that this is a beta [TS]

01:58:30   yeah but i'm not sure if that's in the [TS]

01:58:32   baby like that because that's the thing [TS]

01:58:34   i would think is that you use it as a [TS]

01:58:37   beta so that you can have people you can [TS]

01:58:40   not only have data to figure out how to [TS]

01:58:42   make your your detection better but you [TS]

01:58:44   can also have people give feedback and [TS]

01:58:46   say like you know this picture is great [TS]

01:58:48   except that blurred out half of my hair [TS]

01:58:50   and and this picture of an object is [TS]

01:58:53   great except you know half of the object [TS]

01:58:55   is out of focus and granted you know [TS]

01:58:57   object object detection is not [TS]

01:58:59   officially supported in any way shape or [TS]

01:59:01   form if you go by the official apple [TS]

01:59:03   line [TS]

01:59:04   the only thing you should use portrait [TS]

01:59:05   mode for is portraits but of course [TS]

01:59:07   people like taking closeup pictures of [TS]

01:59:10   their pets and objects and things like I [TS]

01:59:12   saw a great photo of a pair of boots [TS]

01:59:15   today I'm that can go anywhere account [TS]

01:59:17   as well yeah and it's a it is a perfect [TS]

01:59:20   example of a photo where I wouldn't want [TS]

01:59:23   it i'm not i'm not enough of a photo [TS]

01:59:25   nerd and it without zooming in just [TS]

01:59:28   looking at it at the natural size if you [TS]

01:59:30   wanted two Pepsi challenge me like okay [TS]

01:59:32   was the shot with portrait motor was [TS]

01:59:34   shot with a two-thousand-dollar canon [TS]

01:59:37   SLR and a 50-millimeter prime lines i [TS]

01:59:39   would not want to answer the question [TS]

01:59:40   because I now I I can't tell you can [TS]

01:59:43   only really tell blowing it up to full [TS]

01:59:45   screen resolution on my 5k imac right [TS]

01:59:48   and that's sort of sort of one of the [TS]

01:59:51   reasons that I think that this feature [TS]

01:59:55   is going to be so popular and it's so [TS]

01:59:56   useful is that so much of the time we [TS]

01:59:58   spend looking at [TS]

01:59:58   spend looking at [TS]

02:00:00   at photos is on iphones or you know [TS]

02:00:03   other phone sized screens and the [TS]

02:00:05   difference between the fake depth effect [TS]

02:00:08   and the real optical depth effect of the [TS]

02:00:10   better camera it's it's way harder than [TS]

02:00:13   smaller you make the picture of the [TS]

02:00:14   harder it is to tell the difference [TS]

02:00:16   absolutely and they're doing apple is [TS]

02:00:18   doing a really smart thing here in terms [TS]

02:00:21   of the levels of detection they're using [TS]

02:00:24   the the depth map that they're making [TS]

02:00:25   where I feel like android there have [TS]

02:00:29   been android phones that have attempted [TS]

02:00:31   to do a feature like this right now [TS]

02:00:33   before and I'm actually our friend [TS]

02:00:35   friend of I more and our Canadian editor [TS]

02:00:38   Daniel Bader did a comparison between [TS]

02:00:40   the honor 8 camera and and the iphone [TS]

02:00:43   which because they both have dual lens [TS]

02:00:44   systems and I'm fake bouquet kind of [TS]

02:00:46   effect on but the difference [TS]

02:00:50   the main difference is that not only is [TS]

02:00:52   Apple using this is a in a in a pseudo [TS]

02:00:55   telephoto portrait style lens but [TS]

02:00:58   there-there blurring the blurs are our [TS]

02:01:00   soft when it works well the blurs are [TS]

02:01:03   soft gradual and intentional so that in [TS]

02:01:06   the very far back of the picture you've [TS]

02:01:08   got it sort of Max gaussian blur but if [TS]

02:01:11   you get to like the second death [TS]

02:01:13   select the the leaves like I'm looking [TS]

02:01:15   at one of the the corn pictures that I [TS]

02:01:17   did the leaves right behind my head or [TS]

02:01:19   only slightly blurred when you compare [TS]

02:01:22   that to the blur at the very back of the [TS]

02:01:24   corn field which is much more blurred [TS]

02:01:26   and almost to the effect it almost to [TS]

02:01:28   the extent where you get kind of the [TS]

02:01:30   quote-unquote bouquet style light [TS]

02:01:33   aberrations whereas stuff like the honor [TS]

02:01:37   eight just does a flat blur and doesn't [TS]

02:01:40   really try and make a super depth map of [TS]

02:01:42   it or maybe it tries to make a depth map [TS]

02:01:44   but it just fails utterly and just ends [TS]

02:01:46   up just doing a mass like here's here is [TS]

02:01:49   the subject cut out of the picture and [TS]

02:01:50   then here is just straight gaussian blur [TS]

02:01:52   and that's that was my fear when [TS]

02:01:54   portrait mode launched is that it was [TS]

02:01:56   when it launched when it was announced [TS]

02:01:57   was that it was going to just be that [TS]

02:02:00   where it's just going to be straight [TS]

02:02:01   gaussian blur and then subject cut out [TS]

02:02:04   and they've really done something much [TS]

02:02:05   more refined with ice [TS]

02:02:07   I guessed very wrong about how it's [TS]

02:02:08   going to work my initial guess coming [TS]

02:02:11   out a day one of the apple event [TS]

02:02:12   so what they said was my guess was what [TS]

02:02:14   they were going to do is use the two [TS]

02:02:17   cameras to create the depth map and use [TS]

02:02:19   that to set focus . this focus . on the [TS]

02:02:22   the telephoto lens which would take the [TS]

02:02:24   main image but that they would then take [TS]

02:02:27   a second image with the wide angle arm [TS]

02:02:30   it yet with a wide-angle camera but a [TS]

02:02:32   focal length of like one inch so that [TS]

02:02:35   would blur everything everything would [TS]

02:02:37   be blurry and then they would crop that [TS]

02:02:39   you know something like that we consider [TS]

02:02:41   that you'd get actual optical blur from [TS]

02:02:44   the world but that's not how they're [TS]

02:02:45   doing it all that is not now and it [TS]

02:02:48   might be in the future I don't know but [TS]

02:02:51   it's this it the reason I my mind went [TS]

02:02:54   that way is I thought it would look [TS]

02:02:55   better but this looks so much just looks [TS]

02:02:57   so much better than I thought it would [TS]

02:02:59   based on the fact that it's all in [TS]

02:03:00   software promised us you know all with [TS]

02:03:04   all the imagery coming from the one lens [TS]

02:03:06   oh yeah there's I mean some of these [TS]

02:03:08   images i look at and and like this the [TS]

02:03:12   isp was able to give this to me in under [TS]

02:03:14   a second like this didn't take them 5 [TS]

02:03:17   minutes of rendering to know to put [TS]

02:03:19   everything and it's you know they're [TS]

02:03:20   doing it live I mean it's so fast that [TS]

02:03:22   it the preview is live but i do feel i [TS]

02:03:24   wonder if that is one of the reasons [TS]

02:03:26   they're calling it betta because the [TS]

02:03:27   frame rate on the live preview it's [TS]

02:03:29   important no I'm complaining about this [TS]

02:03:31   thing that a couple years ago would have [TS]

02:03:33   taken like 30 seconds to render in [TS]

02:03:35   Photoshop you know you have like a [TS]

02:03:37   progress bar showing you know classes [TS]

02:03:40   and now i'm getting it as a live preview [TS]

02:03:42   and i'm complaining about how slow it is [TS]

02:03:44   because the framerate looks to me like [TS]

02:03:46   it's somewhere in the twenties it's it [TS]

02:03:49   yeah under 30 frames per second [TS]

02:03:52   yeah it's tough i would say looking [TS]

02:03:55   looking at it side to side it's probably [TS]

02:03:57   20 words but maybe it's not even it's [TS]

02:04:02   not static know maybe it varies given [TS]

02:04:05   the complexity of the of the picture and [TS]

02:04:07   it definitely seen it stutter when it's [TS]

02:04:09   trying to figure out more complex depth [TS]

02:04:12   maps even in in times when the actual [TS]

02:04:16   picture ends up coming out really well [TS]

02:04:18   like a picture of pumpkins i took the [TS]

02:04:20   original depth map that it was [TS]

02:04:21   previewing for me had like half of the [TS]

02:04:23   pumpkins blurred [TS]

02:04:25   and I've and I've learned kind of to [TS]

02:04:26   trust that the isp knows what it's doing [TS]

02:04:28   and even if the preview is incorrect [TS]

02:04:30   it's probably gonna look better [TS]

02:04:32   it really must have killed the product [TS]

02:04:34   team that this didn't wasn't able to [TS]

02:04:36   ship in the first version just because [TS]

02:04:39   all all of our initial reviews didn't do [TS]

02:04:43   all we ever be included yeah all we [TS]

02:04:45   could mention about portrait mode is [TS]

02:04:46   that you know this is a feature that's [TS]

02:04:48   coming in at software update my hands [TS]

02:04:51   it is super compelling and my better [TS]

02:04:53   better to get it right than to ship it [TS]

02:04:56   early and have it be not great right and [TS]

02:04:58   it's like it's not bad right now it's [TS]

02:05:00   it's very promising for 4 beta 1 but I [TS]

02:05:03   am glad that they're starting it as a [TS]

02:05:05   beta rather than shipping it unfinished [TS]

02:05:07   or shipping it kind of with a half [TS]

02:05:10   hazard edge detection [TS]

02:05:11   I just don't know how they're gathering [TS]

02:05:13   data to fix it wallets in the beta i [TS]

02:05:16   don't know either and I have definitely [TS]

02:05:17   noticed and i don't know how much this [TS]

02:05:19   is factoring into the beta description [TS]

02:05:22   like you said it definitely wants you to [TS]

02:05:24   take a picture of a person because it's [TS]

02:05:26   hit it you know it's doing this facial [TS]

02:05:29   recognition to get the focus . a [TS]

02:05:30   definite and when I've tried to use it [TS]

02:05:32   to shoot an inanimate objects [TS]

02:05:34   the results are it's harder it it often [TS]

02:05:38   refuses to even engage depth mode and [TS]

02:05:41   I'm even when it does it's it's almost [TS]

02:05:44   sometimes all messed up in terms of and [TS]

02:05:46   it's just a blur have you manually have [TS]

02:05:48   used the manual focus . by tapping the [TS]

02:05:52   screen [TS]

02:05:52   yeah yeah but it doesn't that's it [TS]

02:05:55   doesn't work it's sometimes it doesn't [TS]

02:05:57   help it doesn't suffer some reason it [TS]

02:05:59   alittle focus on that . it does it's not [TS]

02:06:01   that it doesn't focus but it isn't able [TS]

02:06:03   to do the depth map to do that yet to do [TS]

02:06:06   the blower properly for their you know I [TS]

02:06:08   probably most people most people [TS]

02:06:10   listening either don't have already have [TS]

02:06:13   a 7 plus in their hands and even if they [TS]

02:06:15   do they may not be foolish enough to be [TS]

02:06:16   running a developer bit on so by the [TS]

02:06:18   time most people listen to this they you [TS]

02:06:21   know they want to use it first and the [TS]

02:06:23   thing is it's it's very much like the [TS]

02:06:26   HDR indicator so when you're you know [TS]

02:06:29   before you even snap the photo if you [TS]

02:06:31   have HDR on it'll it'll the HDR [TS]

02:06:34   indicator turns bright yellow so you [TS]

02:06:36   know you're getting an HDR is on like if [TS]

02:06:38   you have [TS]

02:06:38   you're set to auto so when you have when [TS]

02:06:41   you're shooting in portrait mode you [TS]

02:06:44   know whether it sees where that's going [TS]

02:06:46   to shoot with the motor not because it [TS]

02:06:48   actually turns yellow with a yellow [TS]

02:06:50   background and says depth effect and if [TS]

02:06:52   it does if you don't see that you're not [TS]

02:06:54   going to get you're definitely not going [TS]

02:06:56   to get the depth effect so you don't [TS]

02:06:58   even have to judge it based on the the [TS]

02:07:01   live preview to see if you see the fuzzy [TS]

02:07:03   background or whatever if you don't see [TS]

02:07:05   that yellow indicator of depth effect it [TS]

02:07:07   doesn't it's it's confused by what it's [TS]

02:07:09   what's in the frame and hasn't yet done [TS]

02:07:11   it and with inanimate objects it [TS]

02:07:13   definitely can take a lot longer than [TS]

02:07:15   with humans humorously with humans you [TS]

02:07:18   really can just sort of put in that mode [TS]

02:07:20   frame it shoot and trust that it's going [TS]

02:07:23   to use depth effect [TS]

02:07:24   yeah it's not too bad with pets it works [TS]

02:07:26   pretty quickly I my question my question [TS]

02:07:29   was because of that that the big [TS]

02:07:31   similarities you know I eyes and a [TS]

02:07:33   Roundhead does it does it seem to do [TS]

02:07:35   better with pets then say in a bottles [TS]

02:07:38   or shoes yeah oh yeah it has it has a [TS]

02:07:41   lot of problems with anything that's my [TS]

02:07:42   reflective iso iphones it doesn't have a [TS]

02:07:45   huge success rate with right now [TS]

02:07:48   especially chip black I phones or I [TS]

02:07:51   tried to take a picture of a whiskey [TS]

02:07:53   bottle that I put in my DSLR comparison [TS]

02:07:55   and it was like half blur and half bit [TS]

02:07:58   whiskey bottle and then the label was [TS]

02:07:59   blurred out so it has problems with [TS]

02:08:01   writing and it has problems with [TS]

02:08:02   reflection that pets seem to it it seems [TS]

02:08:06   to treat pets pretty well I've gotten [TS]

02:08:08   some really really spectacular pictures [TS]

02:08:10   of my dogs with them with this mode [TS]

02:08:14   engaged and even i was taking pictures [TS]

02:08:16   today out on a walk with that with one [TS]

02:08:20   of the dogs so this was motion portrait [TS]

02:08:23   mode and even even like wall my dog was [TS]

02:08:27   moving it managed to get a pretty good [TS]

02:08:29   pretty good picture I've only granted [TS]

02:08:31   I've only looked at it at on the like [TS]

02:08:33   preview and photos so i could go back [TS]

02:08:35   and look at it now and it could be awful [TS]

02:08:36   but to my to my recollection of actually [TS]

02:08:40   looks pretty great [TS]

02:08:41   yeah I shot a a whiskey bottle actually [TS]

02:08:47   for friend cause it was somebody was [TS]

02:08:48   looking for a recommendation and [TS]