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00:00:00 ◼   ► I got really excited when i bought a you know mechanical keyboard and i'm really [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► loving it it's this weird korean i guess they call a 60-percent keyboard so it's [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► got no function row but it's super small and it's very cliquey and i really like [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► it haha now I can get rid of this other keyboard and I realize I have to keep [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► the other keyboard like within arm's reach because I can't [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► what type what brand talk what brand keyboard is it it's a [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► Leopold sending them on ebay really that you can direct they like used or no [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► they're all they're all new that's just how they sell yeah they've got a [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► different they got a different like mechanisms there are a couple different [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► mechanisms of you know like the different key switches m- a like a [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► cherry blue but i'll send you link i got him i got it here Kansas City bored.com [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► yeah yeah and it's the FCC 660m is the one that I've got and i love it because [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► it's so tiny and it's it's really enjoyable e clicky I got my tyas small [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► keyboard too and it's not bad but it's it's way bigger like the whole thing got [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► its got another row of keys and it's got the only problem with this one is you [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► got a map some of the keys because it's missing it's missing a few keys but the [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► but the arrow keys are like properly oriented as arrows and and it's nice and [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► cliquey and I started buying keycaps so you got blue cherry what wait what do [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► you mean keycaps today the wise company sell the official ones i know so i ended [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► up on ebay there are few places including um I ended up with that oh [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► what is it that the people that make the code keyboard they have they have a [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► whole like they have a khaki cap should shop we can order custom keycaps because [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► the 1i got came with like black key caps and therefore windows keys and i ended [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► up spending probably way too much money on some like orange custom keycaps um [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► which is kind of cool i blame Joshua Topolsky he posted a couple of pictures [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► of this model keyboard that he's built and I I said move that's really [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► interesting in that was then i was i was kind of ruined but but it's terrible for [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► podcasting because the clicks clicks are very loud there's the one that this [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► picture i'm looking at of this keyboard on the left side at the bottom bottom [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► left corner there's a ctrl key and then there's think there's like a keyboard [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► key it's a picture that has a what is that [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► yeah I think that's the operating system key so that's like your your command key [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► or your windows key it's like the wealthy and then use an endless logo and [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► then I'm apt yeah I mapped it all 22 Maxo actually flip the keys around so [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► that's my option key so what is cherry blue feel like I this is the thing that [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► confuses me and I i have i have a collection of Apple extended tues and I [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► viewing i'm using my third one of my lifetime right now including one forgets [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► who sent me the one that was that meant i still have 1i have one that is [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► literally strike sealed mint in there in the box which I'm saving you know and [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► the 1 i'm using now was like truly near-mint when i started using it [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► I've tried other mechanical keyboards but i I've never found that I really [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► like and and it doesn't have the same feeling I get so confused by this the [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► different switches and it's it's very confusing to me honestly when I i was [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► shopping for this I went to Matthias is website and they have a they have audio [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► clips of a few different key a mechanical key switches that you can [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► actually sort of listen to the sound of them being made like just typing and I [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► listened to that for a while and and i thought that that the cherry blue sort [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► of sounded like I want like I wanted it and it's not all sound right it's it's [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► like it's like taste it's it's eat when you need something you you're tasting [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► but you're also smelling it and those two things go together [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► keyboards it's like that it's the feel and it's the sound and they go together [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► and like i said i end up with amitayus one at which is supposed to be more like [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► the Apple extended I think and then and I got this one which is the cherry blue [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► and I like the cherry blue better [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► I'm intimate is fine i like it it's a it's a little more [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► of what I'm what might at least my sense memory of those old Apple keyboards was [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► which is a little more kinda like clunk clunk clunk clunk and this is a little [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► more clicking a like high-pitched click click click click I got you I got you I [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► say I think I don't like that so yours is maybe a little bit more like the IBM [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► style i know the IBM following spring is different that the buckling spring yeah [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► a different that like rich single uses uses that style i believe and he's like [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► that's it you know sort of whatever mechanical keyboard you grew up with i [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► think is the one you end up gravitating toward I wish there was a place i'm sure [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► there is i'm sure like keyboard people get together and have little key parties [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► where hey have a type on the different mechanisms and you can really get a [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► sense of it but I just sort of slowly slowly learning about about the [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► different different ones but I've been you know I've been happy with its been [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► iight i didn't use a mechanical keyboard for a long time I was just sort of using [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► its analogues of the of the macbook keyboard because I you know was using a [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► macbook is a primary system so i kind of wanted my my keyboards to all match and [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► feel as much as possible but now that I'm sitting in imac for a lot of the day [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► I thought why don't I give it a try and I've been pretty happy with it is it's [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► good that i'm working in a in a closed office with nobody in it because it [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► would drive everybody else crazy if ya hear me typing if if the chair if the [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► blue cherry switches are what I think that they're like I that more quickly [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► than funky then that's actually to me it's more and that's maybe it's just my [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► ears but it's a bit louder or more prominent yeah I i think it might I [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► think it might be I depends on what frequencies you're tuned into that but I [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► do enjoy going back to that due to having that tactile feedback as much as [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► I loved the macbook keyboard style i totally get now that I've been back on a [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► mechanical keyboard for a while I totally get why people criticize them [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► for feeling mushy I get what that means now so there's blue cherry and brown [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► cherry there's multiple different kind of care and rarest wishes yeah yeah I [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► know and I have no idea i'm not i'm not an expert i just kind of shot in the [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► dark and it's of them truly we're shopping on the Internet is the worst [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► like this is the sort of thing where like in the old you want to buy ten [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► keyboards [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► I don't and I am and I hate sending stuff back [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► it's just like and it's irrational it makes no logical sense whatsoever that I [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► would rather just have a hundred and ten dollar keyboard that i put the closet [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► never used but I just hate sending stuff back [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► I don't like it but I just said a keyboard back and I didn't love it but I [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► it was I tried that a mechanic people for the ipad the razor and it just [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► wasn't that good huh [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► and so I i did go through the rigmarole ascending that because i was a pretty [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► pricey thing but I hate doing it too and so you end up a lot of times not buying [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► things it's just like it's too complicated i don't know what to pick [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► and so I'll just kind of give it up but I took a shot in the dark with this one [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► and I'm i'm pretty happy with it it is it the best keyboard for me maybe not [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► there may be some other one out there that's totally you know what i would [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► prefer to this but i haven't gone and and and bought five different key ports [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► yet anyway I i have also i have bought some i think at least two keyboards from [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► matt is over the years and specifically build by Matthias is being for [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► aficionados of the Apple extended keyboard too and i have to say that I [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► didn't even think it was close it it for whatever reason the Mateus ones don't [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► appeal to me [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► I'm so picky about these keyboards that I don't even like some apple extended [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► keyboard tues even if you want it seemingly in good condition that there's [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► variance between them that I i detect that it's some of them right idea [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► it's like a like the one that I had from college and I think I've told this story [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► before I loved this keyboard i should see I is somebody once said that they [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► could fix it somebody knows how to solder could probably fix its the e key [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► that broke which is probably because it's the 1i type the most right makes [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► enter my sophomore year of college I was playing a John Madden football in the [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► dorms and there was aa see it was so it would've been Mike Madden 92 and I was [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► always the Houston Oilers with the who was the great quarterback that the [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► Houston oil or moon [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► yes Warren Moon warren moon [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► with a canon of an arm I mean like it was like a skin like that the stats for [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► like up to 15 it was like 15 distance 1515 arm strength 15 accuracy and this [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► other kid [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► his name is Jeff we've always played with the Philadelphia Eagles the Buddy [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► Ryan Eagles so is me with my pass happy long bombs and him with these like [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► bone-crushing defensive guys and we had a great rivalry and one time we bet I [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► think I bet 50 bucks cash up against his apple extended keyboard too because i [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► had a mac LLC which came with the real shit keyboard [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► I don't even know what it was small and mushy and he got the mac ac30 which came [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► with the extended keyboard too so the deal was it was a winner-takes-all one [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► game of madden football where if i want i got his keyboard and I'd give him my [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► crappy one so we don't have a keyboard and i think i think i put up 50 bucks [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► cash which I knew was a good deal because they sold for like a hundred [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► eighty dollars to get one knew I and i won the game and that's where i got my [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► keyboard and it was the best one I've ever used [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► I still feel like I still take it out of the closet sometimes and type on it and [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► I still feel like you know this other than that iki that busted it still feels [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► better I should find somebody who can just fix that leaky for me [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► you should and there may be a keyboard out there that that is a closer match [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► for what you're looking for then the matter is I don't know [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► yeah w it's wasd keyboards is where i got my key caps and they sell I think [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► they make the code keyboard and they sell they sell mechanical keyboards and [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► it's like literally choose your size and choose which switch type but again you [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► know you can't reach through the screen and feel how the the keys that they have [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► audio files i think that is too but it's not quite the same because that's only [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► the sound is part of it and the feelings part of it the only the only reason I [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► don't go I never do like a real deep dive and try to find a new keyboard is [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► it once I try and I do have a couple I've spent probably pattern [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► a couple hundred bucks on keyboards and curiosity and then I think to myself why [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► am I doing this [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► I the apples my Apple extended keyboard to is the best keyboard I've ever had it [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► works perfectly on my boy if it works that's the thing so i've got i don't [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► know why i do it i don't know why I I don't know why I've got an extended here [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► in my in my office and I've got a couple of the u.s. batb converters and I don't [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► know whether it's that the keyboard is bad or whether it's the converter is bad [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► that i have a problem where I or is it that i type too fast because I i find [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► that it it drops key drops characters and maybe and maybe with your [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► extraordinary typing skills maybe I've every once in awhile i've i've noticed [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► some weird things there is a thing I got panicked where there was one key like a [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► couple months ago I think it was like tea and at every it was like and it was [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► like an insidious typo [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► where would I would be just be typing and every time like maybe once out of [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► every hundred times i typed a TI get like three T's ofc that that's it i've [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► seen that a and it's it is something you know combined with like my slightly [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► worse vision and it's just like a couple of teams together like in the word [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► little it's like an extra 3 t's it's like it would just slip through [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► Instagram and I got real panic because i thought this is definitely like it's not [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► me holding the key down too far and it's always like the letter T so I knew it [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► must be like electrical but then it just went away solved itself pics yeah yeah [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► dad that's my concerns and I've seen it is that is that you're gonna end up [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► you're gonna end up without with a problem with the hardware or with the [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► mean presumably there are still thousands of USB atb adapters out there [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► that are sitting 14 of the jacket on ebay or something but that's my fear is [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► that something's gonna break down either the keyboards or the or the adapters or [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► something in the system that changes and that you're gonna then you're going to [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► need to find a replacement it's great i mean honestly how great is it that [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► you're using these keyboards that are 25 years old and and huge to the things i [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► like that i like the smaller keyboard because I like to have my [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► my-my like trackpad as close to the the keys as possible so i don't like have a [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► number pad or anything like that so I always preferred and then goes back to [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► having an SE I had the SEC which had the smaller keyboard it was still clicky but [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► it wasn't fully extended it was like a little mini one with the power like the [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► horizontal power button at the top and I think that sort of set me down let me [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► down that path but you know I i don't know i think you may have to go on a [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► quest one day but as long as it's working for you that's thatthat's its [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► kind of brilliant that you've got you know that old tech still I'm still on [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► the first at my first-ever Griffin adb it was called the I'm eight and it was I [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► got to do with those hear it it's but bondi blue bondi boo whatever that [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► whenever right well did you know they had plastic everybody was making blue [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► plastic things in 1987 but it's funny because the only thing you'd ever want [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► it's like it's funny that they made the adapter in the trendy 2001 Apple you [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► know clear plastic colors when the only thing you could possibly want to plug [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► into it was gonna be the classic page [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► everything was your age yeah but how did he add coolness to an atb adapter here [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► is clear plastic do you remember the Apple extended keyboard one the original [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► it was it was very similar to the extended keyboard too but it was [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► short-lived [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► not sure why it didn't go up and down it was like that up but it was also as a [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► little bit bigger I think even down the extended keyboard too and it had a [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► definite different feel to the keys was more i would say more clack II was [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► louder and a little bit more clocky my all my early apple keyboard experiences [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► where my college newspaper so that would have been like 9d 1990 era and and so it [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► really would have been like what keyboards did we have there because we [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► had a good board attached to a to CX and we had a bunch of keyboards on the BSE [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► is that we used and then later we gotta to FX and so that's I probably had some [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► that had the extended the to FX would come with the extended keyboard too but [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► i'll bet i bet that you're I bet you if you saw one you'd be like oh yeah I [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► remember that it was like just slightly different probably I you know other [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► keyboard i loved I loved the the keyboard came with the [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► Apple 2 GS remember that keyboard i never had 1i had a friend who had it two [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► Gs so I vaguely remember it but not that well if you have let's see if there's a [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► DB that was the ggs had a BB that was the other computer that wasn't a mac [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► that had the adb plug on it was the two gs yet that that's actually a lot like [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► that that early the sec keyboard that I had that big the wide power button at [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► the very top yep [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► yeah well you had to restart positions for a lot it's true it's true yeah it's [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► a was I don't know it's very easy to write your own program that completely [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► wedged the machine [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► oh man there's a good keyboard and had like the weirdest keycaps I've ever seen [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► where they were sort of like at it's you just put a picture in the show notes I [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► swear to god yeah but if it's just the weirdest keycaps where they weren't [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► really they were like squares but then on top of the squares were like like [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► round Rex yeah right it's like duck two-tier keycaps i love keyboards [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► you know what i'll tell you what i was thinking about this too is the moment [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► when you were going to be on the show I was think about keyboards but I was just [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► saying I know you're a baseball fan and sometimes when a baseball fan is on it [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► will try to have a conversation that will be of of interest even all of the [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► stop don't skip don't skip yea even to all of you don't like baseball just sort [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► of for me a sort of melancholy week with alex rodriguez as getting dumped from [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► the Yankees I gradually record on Thursday will be playing tonight in [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► Boston and then tomorrow night he's playing in New York and then that then [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► that's it he's going home except and combine it just is interesting to me [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► that you know he's 41 years old he's at a very contentious really up-and-down [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► career with is his controversies over the performance enhancing drugs and the [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► same week [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► Ichiro Suzuki is now playing for the Florida Marlins got his 3000 hit major [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► league baseball and ichiro is to me a guy who if if you could just like shows [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► put some video clips together and and talk about it is that player that would [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► be of [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► interesting into non-sports fans because he's like he's like he's seriously is [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► like a it's like an alien [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► he's he's like 'i you know is it is it's like a creature who was just born to [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► play baseball but he doesn't play like anybody else [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► well it's like the what was it uh the back in the 19th century there was a [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► player named wee Willy Keeler and I believe he was the one who famously said [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► I hit them where they ain't ya [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► the idea is that like they're like how are you such a great hitter and he says [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► well I hit the ball where the other where the fields aren't and that's it [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► like it's so simple and yet when you look at zero and I think Tony Gwynn was [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► kind of like this to it is there in a century of baseball players you get a [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► couple of people who is like somehow this guy can use that stick to put that [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► ball that's coming at him at a hundred miles an hour [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► wherever he wants it and that's just unbelievable i read it i was just read a [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► story the other day was actually in response to somehow like from one link [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► to another and Twitter conversation with somebody you know discussion was started [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► with Ichiro and it led to Tony Gwynn and just talking about like the best hitters [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► of the last 20 years like best hitters of love like you're my adult life and [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► there's the power guys like I think but not a number one I think bond is the [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► best hitter we've ever seen and I yeah I can't I don't really got into any [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► discussion otherwise by take the steroids out of right and he probably [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► still is [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► yeah well maybe but even with may need the numbers are there and they're just [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► astounding I mean that the one year he had 200 and some intentional walks so an [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► honest game we have a hundred sixty-two games hehe drew over and hit one [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► intentional walk a game it's not and has never been anything like that he watched [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► every one of those games to it was a daily occurrence they walked in with the [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► bases loaded one time that's true story true story rather than let Barry Bonds [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► hit with the bases loaded a team actually chose to walk him on purpose [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► and get up around and they want to game because of it [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► nah you know good call so Alex Rodriguez right now as it stands as 696 home runs [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► career home runs fourth of all time [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► truly a great home run hitter I mean fourth of all time in the history of the [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► get in some history [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► bonds had more intentional walks in that one season than Alex Rodriguez had a [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► 20-year career a 20-year career [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► yep it's anyway bonds great when it was amazing and i read this my favorite [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► player ever [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► excuse me is absolutely my favorite baseball player ever Tony Gwynn used to [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► call it the 5.5 whole meaning it was between the these numbers for the [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► players in between the shortstop who is 6 and the third baseman who's five on [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► the scorecard he just tried to hit the ball between the shortstop and third [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► base and could do it with remarkable accuracy but think i read was thick like [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► when he started slowing down a little bit his average dropped and for him [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► dropping men he got close to 300 I the end of difference was that he wasn't [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► beating out the ones that the shortstop would backhand anymore and I had a [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► conversation with Ted Williams and Ted Williams told him to start he said you [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► got it you need to pull the ball more and it's just that one conversation with [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► Ted Williams and all of a sudden Quinn purpose we started trying to pull the [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► ball little more in is it that was when he that was the led to the seasons where [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► he was hitting like 350 360 [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► yeah I mean it's so simple right like just hit the other to the other part of [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► the field like all right i'll do that then because like it's a row [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► Quinn could seemingly put the ball where he wanted it so what did you think about [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► your number one you have to watch him if you don't even like baseball just go to [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► youtube and google Ichiro hitting he starts running before he hits the ball [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► yeah he's a left-handed batter and when he sees the ball he his batting stance [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► is such that he's running to first base but as he makes contact with the ball [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► with nobody has ever done nobody would ever teach if you you know saw a little [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► kid doing it and you're coaching Little League immediately said oh no can't do [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► that you're never gonna hit the ball the other thing is that he treats his bats [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► as though their samurai swords and this is where i'm going with the keyboard [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► where it's he he comes in and spends like an hour a day like examining his [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► bats with like-for-like with his eyes like an inch away and rubs over every [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► surface of them he carries them [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► kid is a collection of many carries in like a custom-made like we call it a [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► humidor when you put scars in it's like a humidor [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► yeah it's it's a moisture-proof carrying case that he carries himself by hand and [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► doesn't hand over to like the team equipment people and it and when you [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► know this and you realize it's about him and then you watch him on TV you realize [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► that his bats are all in like mint condition like most of the bats are all [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► gunked up with pine tar and and nicked and have marks from where they hit balls [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► and batting practice [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► Ichiro's bats all look like they're in mint condition now they're they're his [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► professional tool and he treats them as such and when you see him use them you [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► can see it's like an extension of his body its he is it surgical precision [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► with what he does with them [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► the other thing I read about each other is it every year or I think it's every [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► year but at least several times he has visited the hall of fame in cooperstown [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► in the offseason and I you know orchestrates a behind-the-scenes you [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► know tour and he takes out the bats you get some of the bat he has like a list [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► of hitters whose bats he wants to examine and yeah and he you know I saw [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► pictures of babies got the white gloves on you no good because these are like [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► historic artifacts and he studies the bats of great hitters and and weighs [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► them and unlike examines them in fine detail it's it's just amazing and that [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► to me that to me is like what justifies me caring so much about my keyboard [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► yeah i think it's your it's your professional tool right and how you it's [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► how you make your living [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► yeah and that's the bottom line and so writers do writers talk about things [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► like like keyboards and and you know notebooks and write pens and things like [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► that yeah they do but but you have to understand it is it is actually a [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► professional tool it's like how our livelihood happens [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► yep it's worth it alright let me take a break from all this great keyboard [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► baseball discussion i was trying to keep us off baseball by talking about [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► keyboards and now we did a boat [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► I and tell you about our first sponsor this is a great company's global delight [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► now we all use headphones and we're going to talk a little bit more later [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► and show about headphones to listen to music our iphones and ipads but matter [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► which headphones we use [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► the audio often feels like it lacks depth [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► globalite there the company behind the mac app boom that it's like an audio [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► enhancer for Mac it's a great app actually knows that actually different [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► brings about they were sponsoring the show a couple weeks ago so these are the [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► same guys behind the mac app boom they have an iOS app that solves this issue [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► it's called boom for iOS now iOS you can't have like a system-wide extension [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► that enhances audio across-the-board it doesn't work like that is so boom on iOS [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► is a music player app and no matter which headphones you use it turns the [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► music you listen to into an amazing 3d surround sound and it's it's an [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► amplifier a you know like a sound filter music player doesn't stop there [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► you can change the equalizers you can adjust the base and the intensity of the [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► audio with fine control you can be real picky [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► this is for people who really care about what this stuff sounds like in your [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► headphones boom plays it's magic with the downloaded music from your iTunes [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► library so it's not like you have to like you know do any kind of magic stuff [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► or or pain in the butt stuff to to import your music into it just place the [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► system stuff the system stuff in your iTunes library and it's very very simple [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► to use [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► ah here's in the best part is free to free download so if you don't you you're [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► skeptical you don't know what it's going to sound like go download it get it from [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► the App Store try it out and then it's an in-app purchase to unlock everything [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► if you if you like the way it sounds [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► hope your browser if you want to see their website its boom for iOS . com [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► so just bail boom then fo r iOS dot-com and you'll be taken to the boom app [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► directly and then you can hit the download button all you need to do is [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► then just by the in-app purchase if you like it and and you'll enjoy it it's a [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► great app these guys do a great job even though their specialty is obviously [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► audio they do a phenomenal job with the user interface stuff that stuff looks [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► exquisite always very very very impressive UI design and here's the best [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► part [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► we've got a special offer for talks to listeners they got a sale running [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► through the 21st of august i think it's a normally 499 for the in-app purchase [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► yes 499 right now you'll buy it right now [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► for august twenty-first you get it for a buck 99 so that's two box and you get [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► this great app so go download boom for iOS and try it out and buy it before [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► august twenty-first you'll save save a couple bucks I we get there is a lot of [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► news I don't be probably yes probably pretty stupid to waste so much time on [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► keyboards but i think i do love them you chapter markers in your podcast of solve [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► everything I chap I don't yet you know i should mention this that I did you know [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► III because the ATP does it and you guys do to you guys do have chapter so you're [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► in there now I'm not on everyone but on some of them yeah I so for everybody [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► wants them on this show we are looking into it hits its there's a tooling issue [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► where it's actually there is no good tool for this yet [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► yeah the friend of the show Mark Harmon is actually working on such a tool [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► I'm aware of that yep and there will be chapters on the show [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► eventually all right so the news what you want to talk about first I guess we [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► can God German stuff [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► yeah i mean so mark urman right he's he's piece back he's a bloomberg we saw [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► he had a report like a month ago but he's he dropped a few reports this week [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► that are you know his sources are so good especially in the hardware side [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► that that the it feels like confirmation to me and I know it's not it's justin [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► it's another story with anonymous sources saying this is what Apple is [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► going to do but it feels like confirmation now the government said you [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► know given the nod and been like yeah this is what's gonna happen with the [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► with the iphone and with the with the the new macbook pro it's like having a [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► four-run lead in the bottom of the ninth [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► you're probably going yeah yeah and I mean I feel like and it's funny because [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► now that he's a bloomberg in a bloomberg I i know some people have who have [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► workers or do work at Bloomberg and Bloomberg is a very their little [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► idiosyncratic and what they do in terms of like their style guide and their [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► their their copy desk and things like that but they're sticklers and you can [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► see it in increments reports that some of the phrasing is kind of different [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► than maybe he did a 9to5 mac where they probably just you know made sure that it [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► would end up there [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► don't I don't want to impugn and five Mac but you know most online stuff [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► including stuff i do you give it a read and then you put it up you don't have a [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► copy desk with who are sticklers and and so it's sort of been interesting to see [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► how how they change some of his phrases where they make make it very specific [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► about like what he knows and what he doesn't know and what the details are [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► but I and so it ends up being a 95 and fuzzy at 9to5 mac i would say it was [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► always you know mention and he never he always wrote in a sort of reporter [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► refashion even a nine-to-five network not as opposed to like a colonist stop [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► joanna stern and I were talking about that the last episode of this show that [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► I I I could do it i guess but it would feel it would feel like drudgery to me [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► like I've always wanted to be a columnist and right in my own voice so [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► government always wrote in a reporter's voice but he would just be the biggest [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► difference i would say is that when he had a scoop he would put the according [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► to this you know sources familiar with it once in the first paragraph and then [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► the rest of the story would be here's what i've found out where the bigger the [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► biggest stylistic difference with Bloomberg with him at Bloomberg is that [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► the according to the people threat and able there's an awful lot it just keeps [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► coming back and back that it this is according to people what people have [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► told him and I personally you and I everywhere engaged in a thread on [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► twitter about this I actually like this better I'd I really do and it maybe it's [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► a little inside baseball you know like that you and I think about these the [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► copy desks and stuff like that but I like it that it emphasizes that this is [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► not a known fact and that government isn't saying that he's seen this thing [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► himself which would you know alleviate the need to source it it's from sources [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► who said that they know this and I think that's worth emphasizing yeah [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► and-and-and them you know being sticklers that that's what they want to [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► do is say we've got information but we haven't confirmed ourselves from a [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► source that we trust and so we're going to say it's an anonymous source and then [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► throughout the story every time we cite something weird if we can't say it as a [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► fact because we saw it with our own eyes essentially we have to say we have to [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► attribute [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► that to whoever got it and so as a result you you get the things about that [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► you know there won't be a headphone jack the sources set right for people they I [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► think that people the people said right that's interesting too because it's it's [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► a way of corroborating that that that piece of information came from multiple [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► sources [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► exactly and that's good that's clarity right and it may feel weird to read it [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► that way because there it is definitely being done with with great care [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► but as a user of that information it's really good to have clarity about what [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► you know what mark Gurman is being told by his sources and what he may be is [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► extrapolating from that and i like i like having that because then then we we [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► can leave to our judgment but it also eliminates to just the confusion of like [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► what he's really saying here is he does he know that or is he supposing that and [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► and the way it's the bloomberg process seems to have taken his stuff is it's a [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► little bit clearer about the stuff that he he has been told by his sources like [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► sort of laying it out like this is what we know from from sources [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► the other thing that you and i know and i $FULLPHONENUM i think it's probably [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► true for you you too i definitely think so i think that the whole reason that [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► you and I have eked out you know these positions we have is that we attract we [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► don't attract the most readers but we attract discerning readers write like I [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► just no way that the readership of your stuff in my stuff combined amount to a [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► hill of beans from The Huffington Post perspective right if we're counting [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► pages were in a little fish [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► yeah but we attract discerning readers and so a lot of times when i go off on a [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► track like this about just how meaningful it is when a bloomberg or a [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► Wall Street Journal says you know print out a rumor [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► sometimes I get a lot of pushback from readers who are skeptical readers which [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► is good and I'm not surprised that i have readers who are like yeah you know [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► I don't believe it just because it's in the wall street journal and that's true [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► and I I think everybody should read all the everything they read my stuff your [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► stuff especially news reports with that you know skeptical moment where did this [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► information come from i think being a critical reader of journalism is is an [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► essential skill should be taught emphasized in schools i think in a way [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► that it wasn't for me [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► so I'm not saying it's true but you do you know inside baseball it's like II [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► you know that like a publication like Bloomberg or the wall street journal or [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► the New York Times knows that when something like this gets reported what [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► almost everybody else says is Bloomberg says the big iphone is going to have two [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► cameras and they don't go into that nobody else reports that it's mark [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► Gurman who says this one reporter like if it doesn't turn out to be true it's [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► it's mostly on Bloomberg in the antlers are just a huge company it with [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► financial information i mean the is reporting about that one of the largest [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► if not the largest public company in the world getting information wrong about [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► their biggest product right that's that would be colossal right and so now they [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► want to they want to be careful with it but it also says something that you know [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► when he reports the stuff they are standing behind and as observers of what [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► government has done over the years I i we can see why because his forces are [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► his forces are good he always has been careful [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► I think he's actually a great fit for Bloomberg because of all of those things [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► he's not a super speculative guy he's somebody with good sources who lays out [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► what sources say it is funny it's funny to me I heard I i found out that he was [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► going to bloomberg back in march or whatever it was that Apple held an event [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► in California what was that March like it was march like yeah mid-march and it [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► wasn't it seemed like it wasn't like an open secret but there are a couple of [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► other people in the the you know cover apple press game who knew that he was [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► going to go to Bloomberg and it was funny to me that it never never actually [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► was published like the guy who's the guy who's who's known for spoiling apples [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► secrets his own secret everybody was just like it just seemed like uncool [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► because it seems like everybody seemed to will not want to publish it or tweet [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► it or anything just because it just seemed like well it's you know it's not [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► bother the kid [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► yeah exactly i don't like the courtesy kinda happy for him to kill ya good work [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► he's really young he was in college you know hehe has done some incredible [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► things and and now he's got a really high profile job at a major source of [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► news and business information so it's like it yeah we come didn't want to [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► record for him he's yep he's d does good work [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► it's a great i think it's a really good fit because Bloomberg in particular in [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► my opinion really emphasizes scoops they they really pride themselves on on [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► breaking things like this being first while simultaneously being completely [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► accurate right as opposed to what you know they won't cross that line of being [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► first by taking a chance that it's not true but they really want to be first [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► and it's a feather in their cap as a provider of business intelligence [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► because I mean that the number one way Bloomberg makes money as far as i can [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► tell and what I've heard is it's like the terminal they have these terminals [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► there in the offices of people in the financial sector they are giving [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► real-time business information and news and from when you view Bloomberg through [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► that lens where they're not like a white wire service or something they are [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► financial information provider and news is one of the things that they do when [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► you think of him that way it sort of sort of makes sense yeah that's where [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► the corner now that's exactly where the culture of being first and having the [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► scoop comes from is the culture from the terminals and as you want to get ahead [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► as an investor you want that extra edge right I really i worked at a firm on the [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► Philadelphia stock exchange was in college I had as an internship doing [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► like ITC I wasn't doing investing stuff that was you know on the computer team [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► but they had the you know the traders had the bloomberg boxes of course so I [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► got to see them they're interesting fascinating devices for the mid mid [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► nineties yeah and what the funny thing and there's a I'm and they were fast [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► that's the one thing is that well that's that's the whole that's the whole story [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► there's a story somewhere i'm trying to find it that the problem of Bloomberg [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► terminal is so it is they called the terminal it looks like a Doss interface [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► it's got these weird keyboard shortcuts like something like word star or [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► something it's that kind of thing right is strange strange thing but the thing [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► is the people who know how to use the Bloomberg terminal they can do [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► everything fast with a couple of keystrokes it [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► this incredible thing so it's a huge ux problem because it's impenetrable on one [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► level but once you know it you can have complete control over it and their love [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► to change it because they're they're uh they're loyal loyal customers that want [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► it want to know how to use it so it's that they end up in this weird place was [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► like can we improve this product or do we need to leave it looking like a das [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► terminal forever [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► well and there's never a day for it for the traders there's never like a slow [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► day you know so there's never a day where well alright will you no will [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► install this new version that I don't know how to use and i'll be lost all day [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► you know trying to figure out no yeah it's they can't it can't ever do it [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► right so it's better better to just let your your interns and your new hires [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► read the manual and learn how to do it and get up to speed and just leave it [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► the way it is and it's yeah it's fascinating baby day and there that's [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► the whole thing they're they're not afraid that knowing people who worked at [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► Bloomberg they are not afraid to be different from the crowd like today they [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► have different terminology for stuff they don't call the laptops that their [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► journalists get aren't called laptops now my trap they're called like travel [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► units are travelers or something like it's just did they got their own [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► terminology they got their own rules it goes down it's just it's they are they [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► are different and I think that maybe comes from mike bloomberg that you know [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► he was about you know he's a maverick he's not afraid to to say let's do [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► things kind of differently and it also comes from the fact that they are not a [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► traditional you know add funded journalism outfit their this their [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► financial services outfit [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► yeah so governments to articles recent articles first was the one about the new [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► iphones yeah [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► so its seemingly confirmed that are definitely said that the the plus-size [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► one will have the two the two camera system brand seem to confirm that the [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► 4.71 want but doesn't quite say that and this is one of those things where that [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► the sourcing is kind of interesting [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► he's gonna read the paragraph the dual dual system sharpened photos taken in [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► low-light environments the person said the combination of the merged photos [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► from the two camera sensors also allows users to zoom while retaining more [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► clarity the person added the smaller version of the new phones will not [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► include new lenses KGI Securities analyst ming-chi kuo said earlier this [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► year now that to that last bit is fascinating to me because seemingly [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► Germans own sources didn't didn't or couldn't say whether the smaller phone [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► has the two cameras he's only referring to a report from ming-chi kuo it may be [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► or may not because later they talk about the headphone jack being removed and [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► they may reference maco takara as you have the original report so I i'm not i [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► couldn't read this and say whether they're you know whether he doesn't [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► actually know that for sure because it sounds like he actually just said that [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► it's not i think it's more that he may be doing in a bloomberg in kind of way [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► the hat tip yeah of-of who originally reported this because he didn't [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► originally yeah I think that's going to equal i think--not the matakara but I i [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► well from a credit cards for sure that way that I wonder if maybe that the [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► ming-chi kuo attribution this is that which is just look you know this person [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► got it first we should tip our cap to them uh confirms no headphones and the [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► other what you know another this is new there's not one bit of it that is new [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► but it's confirmation of a whole bunch of these rumors that are floating about [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► the other thing that the home button now won't physically click it will be tapped [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► doors for stores touch like like the track pads like you know the modern Mac [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► my macbook trackpads [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► which is interesting and I think I wonder you know there's often a lot of [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► German story doesn't mention waterproofing at all but one of the [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► things that has been floated about is that whether Apple will bill it as [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► waterproof or not the one of the design features of these new iphone since that [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► they will be even further water-resistant the previous ones ran [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► and I can only imagine that a force touch home button would help in some way [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► in terms of waterproofing simply because it seems like every button that actually [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► moves is a is a place where moisture could get through [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► yeah it's also going to reduce repair incidences because you know even if it's [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► not that common home buttons malfunction because I mean it's a moving part it has [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► to go up and down and so you take that out of the equation and it's not [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► actually moving anymore you just feel like it's moving when you when you press [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► on it i can see assuming they do it right although you know the 3d touch and [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► the for such in the trackpad is they did a good job with that so assuming they do [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► it right so that you really do get that that that sense of of action that would [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► be the worst thing in the world if you're like why is my phone locked up [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► and you try to press the home button and nothing happens like that what do I do [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► now so they gotta get it right but there are a lot of benefits to you know [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► simplifying the shape of the product basically I just one of those things [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► that might be like keyboards where it some people might really like it and [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► others might not [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► because it's will feel different and i love the new trackpads III I think you [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► know maybe you do too i have a yeah I do have a review unit of macbook pro that [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► apple gave me to test [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► what's the new operators the Arabs yeah that one right behind me right and so my [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► personal macbook pro has is older it's it's you know forget i think that might [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► be two years old at this point are close to two years old doesn't have it i love [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► it it's a 13-inch macbook pro it's probably now my favorite macbook that [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► I've around I really the more i use that I really it appreciate out good at this [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► the one thing I really liked better about the review unit one is that [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► trackpad i really like the force touch trackpad and I think the main reason why [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► is that i tend to click a lot at the top of the trackpad yeah and the mechana [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► that the lever that is the moving trackpad it the the [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► chrome is at the top so it's actually a lot easier to click towards the bottom [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► than it is at the top on and i love that on the force touch one it's just as [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► clicky everywhere on the whole thing I know other people don't like it i think [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► Marco Arment does not like the force touch trackpad so maybe the home button [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► will be the same way [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► yeah it could be the market doesn't like I do like I actually use the desktop [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► magic crack yes [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► yeah too and I i really like it amazon did this with the kindle which one was a [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► voyage I think they put like it's in now with paige Turner buttons which they had [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► taken off of an earlier model but it wasn't really a button it was this [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► haptic thing where you squeeze this thing on the side and it gave a little [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► vibration and yeah it didn't it didn't work there although that was kind of [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► cheaply done and i expect apple to do a better job than that but they ended up [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► with their the oasis that they have now it's just back to being a physical [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► button because that was just a better experience so we can be done badly but I [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► would imagine given the force touch trackpad that and I think that's why the [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► reference is being made to it is that whoever describe this to mark Gurman is [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► like no no it's gonna be like the force touch trackpad you're not gonna even be [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► able to believe that it doesn't move which that sounds good to me [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► yeah it's funny to me because i thought one of my complaints for years with [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► iphones was that the home buttons were not good enough and maybe i just got bad [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► phones i don't know but like in the 3g 3gs and maybe even like the iphone four [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► areas like there was like a certain it squishiness to it that I didn't like [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► year after year and I I i think i even wrote about it on during fireball that [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► on a device where there's really just one main button that button she should [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► feel really good now if you're going to minimize buttons the buttons that you [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► have left have to be really good because they're really going to stand out and [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► it's the sort of thing that Apple should pride itself on doing well and I think [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► that they've now they've got a great that the cleanness of the the touch ID [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► era home buttons to me is terrific to me it feels like one of the best buttons in [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► the world [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► yeah it's good there are there are i mean there are lots of speculations [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► about how Apple because it's apple right Apple wants to eventually have no [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► buttons and [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► no ports that's sort of a platonic ideal of a device and this then is possible [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► that they would get rid of the home button entirely at some point release [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► the physical home button even if there's a way to do that to a gesture and this [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► seems like a step in that direction which is ok now we've got it so that we [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► can read your fingerprint and you can press on it in order to get what you [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► where you want to go but there's actually nothing moving and that's like [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► step one and maybe step two is that they put you know they put that on up you [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► know the bottom center of the screen or something and it started seeking that [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► out whatever a future iphone design might be I don't know but that they just [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► seem like it's it's it's a very Apple step to make to eliminate a moving part [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► and so I what are we left with the focus on here that the fact that the 4.7 inch [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► phone apparently won't have dual cameras and it's yeah you know the rumor chain [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► has has been pretty consistent on that regard [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► especially if you believe the supply chain links of the backs of these phones [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► there's never been one a credible one that showed two cameras the two camera [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► oval on the foreign 4.7 inch iphone and there's usually one on the 5.5 inch I'm [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► a little bummed about that because I prefer the 4.7 by far in terms of hand [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► feel and in fact as you know anybody read by my iphone SE review if anything [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► i'm fat mixed feelings about the 4.7 inch versus the the iphone SE size 4 [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► inch phone [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► yeah I I've been thinking about this i think it's probably not sure I think 4.7 [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► is probably the mainstream phone and will remain so [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► but I did have that moment where I thought with the iphone SE doing [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► I think we better Apple even admitted way better than apple expected and now [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► we're talking about differentiating the iphone plus at the high end with a much [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► better camera which in some ways is taking advantage of the fact that it's [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► just got more room there and it's and it's more expensive so they can pack [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► stuff in there i do have those moments where I think why would you get the 4.7 [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► inch iphone like if you really care about photography get the big iphone if [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► you're somebody who uses your phone all the time and once the biggest screen [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► possible get the big iphone and if you if you care about size and that's your [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► priority or if you care about price the iphone SE [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► he's right there and it's just again it's probably not realistic but I feel [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► like it's interesting that Apple is making the edge phones kind of really [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► appealing in the almost like the the simplicity of the one and the power and [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► complexity the other and then what's the 4.7 inch iphone well it's just your [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► average iphone i guess yeah in the middle there are other rumors that there [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► will be three iphones new iPhones never have you say I've using this there will [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► be a pro and the plus yeah so it would be like I do it forget i don't think [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► they're going to call it iphone 7 but maybe they will but let's just say that [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► they do because i don't and let's note mark Gurman story at no point calls that [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► the iphone 7 right at 10 . ah well hold that thought because there's that key to [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► understanding this his sources or one of the kids yes indeed Rams um so let's [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► just say they call it the seven thatthat's this other room would say [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► they would be the iphone 74 points 7 inches the iphone 7 plus which would be [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► 5.5 inches and still have the same camera probably with like the image [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► stabilization but the single-camera circle on the back and then the iphone 7 [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► pro which would have the dual camera system and presumably like maybe like [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► 256 gigs of storage [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► I'd I and part of that rumor is based on like supply chain links that show some [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► of these plates that look there the bigger size but they only have one hole [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► for the camera right and who knows that they're fake I don't know some of those [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► it's like that that when those pictures come out they go so super viral that [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► there's you know some of them have been faked over the years I don't know what [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► the motivation is for people making these fake ones but it's crazy I that [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► this stuff that doesn't make any product marketing sense to me and i agree and [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► and we've just defined right we got was an ipad pro right I feel like they could [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► do an iphone pro but to have a pro and a plus and the regular iphone and the SE C [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► and have the pro in a plus B essentially the same except one of them has this [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► like one esoteric difference it seems [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► too complicated and which is not to say that I'm not intrigued by the idea of [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► like an iphone pro that is the two cameras and maybe support for the pencil [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► that that's interesting that's an interesting idea of our branding that [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► product that way but to have that and then I ideals more likely to me that [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► it's just you know what we're seeing is the is is the 6s plus Jenna again maybe [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► maybe slightly altered but just the 6s plus + and that's a question is like [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► what if they keep traditionally apple has kept the previous year's phones in [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► the lineup so you know what happens there too i I don't know it seems [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► unlikely though that they would have two identical phones except for like the [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► cameras on the back [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► yeah and it's just and it it makes it harder like with by calling them the [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► iphone 6 and iphone six-plus and then the 6s and 6s plus they can just say [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► they can say shot with iphone 6 and it right in it all of the new phones aren't [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► carried with that whether you have the plus or not the plus is just refers to [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► the size even though the camera was technically slightly better because i [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► had optical image stabilization they didn't need to say that they could just [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► say they could run ads and billboards that just say iphone 6 and iphone [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► success and it covers both whereas if they do this they do it doesn't they'd [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► have to run out separate campaigns and then that would it would peg the ones [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► that are going to sell in greater quantities the lower price ones that the [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► the regular and the plus it would peg them as being understand the lower-tier [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► from day one which is it just I don't know something about that doesn't sit [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► right with me [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► I guess it's possible like I wouldn't be shocked if that's how it turns out but [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► government story makes it seem my dishes 24.7 5.5 and the 55 has a better camera [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► yeah as these double you know dual lens system which is cool idea i mean i think [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► I i think the place where smartphones could still get better right I'm back in [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► the old days it's like they could get better everywhere it's like everything [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► could be better but now the place like number one place where I think a [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► smartphone could get better and in terms of priority has to be the cameras the [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► cameras could get so much better because we we know what good cameras look like [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► and although the cameras and smartphones are amazing [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► to what they used to be they they could still be so much better so I like the [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► idea that Apple is is going down that path and seeing what if we put two [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► lenses on and you software and put them together and and and they should be [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► doing that that that's absolutely the right thing for them to do [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► yeah and I don't even think governments description of it is it hit that his [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► description is about that its first minutes and sharpening photos taken in [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► low-light environments I mean that could help with that but the bigger the [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► biggest difference of the two lens system isn't really light sensitivity [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► that's a problem that's really hard to solve [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► just because of the physics of optics with that the size of these devices and [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► healthy a small the sensors are compared to like a full-size or even even like [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► the Four Thirds system cameras or something you know the ones with small [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► sensors like a aps-c like in a camera camera those small sensors are so much [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► bigger than the sensors that you can fit in a phone like it's it's absolutely [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► remarkable how good the photos you can get off these devices are with how tiny [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► the sensors are but that's really a limiting factor for light sensitivity [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► the two lens system is really about having two lenses of different focal [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► distances so you've got the one that's wide angle like the one we already we've [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► always had on her phone and then to have a second one that has a longer focal [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► length like you know I don't know what it would be the equivalent and 35 [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► millimeter terms but you know 50 or 80 85 or something so that when you zoom it [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► can actually do it [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► optically instead of you trying to shoot something far away and get it closer and [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► you know Phillip more the frame the optics of that are way better if you [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► actually have if you're doing it with a real longer lens instead of with you [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► know just dropping the wide wide lens picture and and there's going to be [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► otter be ways that might be ways to do 3d stuff you know slightly 3d stuff you [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► know for the live pictures and stuff like that it could be all sorts of [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► really cool optical stuff with this so i better get bigger bigger pockets [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► yeah i know that's that that's my thought too as I i I've always rejected [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► that phone because it's a large but i would be if anything would tempt me to [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► get a larger phone it would be something like that like a much better camera [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► would tempt me to to just swallow my pride and expand my pockets and [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► get the get the big phone then the second factor for me in a little bit [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► like the hand that size in the pockets in the hand I'm never gonna like but the [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► second factor for me personally is that I'm like oh my i'm rushing towards [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► needing reading glasses when i wear my contact lenses like i mentioned this on [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► the show before but long story short when i wear my contacts i need reading [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► glasses to read in low-light environments now I can't focus at [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► reading length when I have my contacts and when I'm wearing my glasses I can [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► because the and I just talked to my doctor because when you wear glasses [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► they're further from the the lens of my I wears contacts literally there right [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► there and so I'm it's at a distance I see exactly the same you know add [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► clarity with glasses on contacts but at a close distance when you start getting [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► presbyopia in your forties it really it makes a big difference whether you have [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► contacts are not so it but really when I have my glasses on what I like to do [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► with what I read is take them off and I'm because I'm nearsighted I can [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► without any correction at all i can read that's when i read the best I actually [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► read tons and tons on my phone lately in the morning before I put my contacts in [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► just with just because it's actually the the way I see clearest is with no [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► correction at all with my phone right in front of my face but I wear contacts [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► most of the time but having the bigger phone and being able to make the text [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► bigger would actually would actually be optically good for me now my my wife has [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► a 6s and uses it in the mode where it's blown up to essentially it's pretending [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► to be a five [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► yeah because she's because she's got for the first time because he's always had [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► perfect vision but she's in her forties now internationals reading glasses and [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► so she's just that's been one of her concessions to be able to use her phone [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► without having to switch to reading glasses is is using that extra screen [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► space just to make everything bigger as you know what I've been doing [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► I i haven't given into that zoom mode but I do go into [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► the text size oh yeah and it is it is made it makes me feel good about the [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► fact that I've been promoting accessibility features long before I [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► needed them but now i really do I am and my vision problems I always want to say [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► this it if anything it makes me appreciate how good my vision still is [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► you know because it's like having a scare with you know losing the all the [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► vision of my eye when I had the retinal detachment and it really makes me [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► appreciate just how bad some people's vision really is people who are you know [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► on some scale legally blind but you know there's some people who are legally [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► blonde can still see that something but the the accessibility features in iOS [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► it's like it's so great that makes me in and now i'm actually somebody who [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► benefits from them [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► well that's how my wife uses her Apple watch because you know you can't really [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► do the large screen mode on the Apple watch how she has used the accessibility [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► feature to increase the text size and it makes her Apple watch usable otherwise [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► it's like it's great that I have this watch on but if I have to put my glasses [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► on every time I need to read [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► yep anything on the screen it's pointless so she uses the the type size [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► control i do it is a great great grand feature so I don't know I guess I'm [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► gonna have a big phone i don't know i don't know what I will have to see how [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► what exactly The Devil's in the details and this comes back to what you were [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► saying about where Mark government sources are is is a lot of times with [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► these apple products i always say this i mean it's just it's so true [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► you gotta know where the rumors are coming from and what else and what we [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► know is what is this [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► we know the product but we don't know the story and write and as the marketing [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► and in some ways it's the software like we know that there are two cameras and [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► we can speculate on what those cameras do but Apple will probably have a very [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► particular story about how those cameras work together when one camera gets used [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► when the other gets used do they get merged together how does that work is [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► their UI to flip between them or change the focus or things like that and that [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► we we really don't know right what's the scenario where this is going to be [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► like I said I scenario i can think of that in i'm sure you know you run into [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► the same thing too is parent in the auditorium and the kids on stage now [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► where the phone the phones is a terrible camera for that situation because you [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► really want a picture of your kids [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► but it's there's no way that optical zoom in a dimly lit auditorium . optical [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► zoom digital zoom yeah the work of a wide-angle a walk angle lens with the [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► tiny little sensor it's you might as well not even do I always wondered when [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► I see these parents holding your phone's up for the entire thing i really want to [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► play that louis ck rant of of hey just be here you know I mean Jambi hear from [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► because it's not just that you'd be better off just being there watching it [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► that the actual image you're getting from that camera from a cellphone [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► halfway back in an auditorium is going to be useless [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► you're going to make out your kids face but a longer lens might it might [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► actually save that [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► yeah i was we were coming back from a long weekend and we were driving we were [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► in southern oregon and so we're driving back driving south and you go past [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► understand five to go past mount shasta which is huge volcano there's a it's [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► it's like two miles above the the rest of the landscape around it and even [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► middle of summer within 90 degrees outside their snow and glaciers and [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► stuff on the top of it and it's spectacular you driving on the freeway [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► there's this huge volcano right in front of you and I get on my iphone to take a [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► picture of it and I open it up and look and it's just like it's like it's not [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► even there because it's that wide angle shot is that both sides the windshield [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► it's got the road all that and I zoomed in and I got I got an okay shot with the [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► digital zoom but those shots are no good because they are zoomed in so far that [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► any of the majesty of it [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► any of the majesty of it [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► is now lost in all the little pixelation that happens when it is when I it does [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► it it will make for it and I presume it'll be killer who does it because [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► that's chillers gigue these yrs this is usually the he's the guy who does the [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► new iphone in September right and i happen to know that you know shoulder is [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► a truly f-4e you know real fuck photography enthusiasts he really knows [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► his shit about cameras and he really cares but it's such a hard thing to [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► present when you're saying how awesome this camera is and this other phone that [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► we also want you to be excited about doesn't have it I can't do it but I do [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► it's a perfect scenario though like you want to get the mountaintop you know and [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► that is exactly the sort of thing where a second lens that is longer will make a [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► dramatic difference but when they show you the dramatic difference it's going [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► to be in comparison to what you get with the other new iphone [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► I think we're just gonna have to say like you know we could do this because [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► it's a much larger phone then and any that they're gonna have to explain it [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► that way but I think the only way we could do this is because the iphone 6 [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► plus they're seven plus or whatever it is and is this much bigger and and so we [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► can have we have the room to do this but i'm looking forward to that demo because [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► I imagine that's going to be the you and our demo of the whole thing because [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► they're gonna have some first they're gonna have hired spectacularly good [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► photographers to take all the sample images and then they're going to they're [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► going to be perfect ones to show off when you flip a switch or you slide your [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► finger or something [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► you go from A to B and everybody goes low and you can see what it's going to [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► be it's going to be a winner that demo yeah i totally think so before we leave [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► iphone wide-eyed hinted few minutes ago that not knowing the product names is a [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► clue to government sources like the product names in my in my experience [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► there are that is like need-to-know basis with an album and i think that the [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► number of people even like who work in product marketing know the name of the [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► new iphone is probably pretty small [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► yeah names prices yep and also means they're all so changeable right hardware [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► heart has been locked for for ages now the software is basically locked [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► although idea they will have little bit but it's stuff that they've had to be [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► working on for months and months and months names unless ship [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► in that day and it's still the name is iphone right they could literally ship a [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► box just as iphone on it will be ok [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► names that you can leave those pretty late in the game and prices you can [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► really late in the game and so it's a very small group of people who are doing [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► that the in in terms of marketing and PR and and they don't they don't leak as [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► much unless they I want to I think they did they don't become less the company [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► wants a leak [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► I think they don't they don't like as much it comes from supply chain and it [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► comes from kind of people in the broader company who know little bits about it [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► and and can leave those little bits but my experience I don't know you remember [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► when they did mountain lion and everybody expected there would be no OS [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► update for like another year or six months and we all got briefings [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► yeah about Mountain Lion and I like I literally didn't know what I was being [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► briefed on my walked in and said yeah there's a new version of OS 10 is called [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► mountain lion it's going to come out and you know if we're going to announce it [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► in two weeks and I just nobody had been talking about it and literally it was [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► not i mean the embargo dropped and everybody's minds were blown that's that [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► was a really instructive thing for me about how buttoned-up apple in cupertino [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► in the marketing department could be because that was something that didn't [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► like my didn't leak because that not very many people knew and nobody in the [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► supply chain knew nobody outside of of Internet loop new really yeah and that I [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► don't know how they do the packaging like where where and how they make all [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► the boxes for these phones but that's you know like here in my box here that i [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► have one right here on my desk and it says iphone 6s so ransomware there's [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► somebody making all these boxes and that could leak but it's different than [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► regular supply chain and it's notable that the phones themselves don't have [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► the numbers on the back they usually just say iphone last year they space [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► they put the s underneath but it just says iphone ass and the iphone SE has an [TS]

01:04:12 ◼   ► SE underneath it on the back etched into it and that name did leak [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► yeah because its edge it was etched on the things that they were making in the [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► smudging [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► yeah I want you wonder about like gap the security of who who who's printing [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► you know where the boxes [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► yeah where they get printed right on golden who is that and presumably that's [TS]

01:04:29 ◼   ► all happening in China because they're shipping them direct from china but i'm [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► not saying too that you you couldn't you know you can head on the name if you [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► wanted to but the name is probably chosen but it's a it's a smaller group [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► and then keep it buttoned up more easily and and you see that in a lot of reports [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► where there are details from the the hardware side but not from the marketing [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► and marketing side and that'll allows us to keep some degree of of a mystery at [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► least for a while [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► often you will see those reports happen like a day or two before the event when [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► when they have to tell people but the those those people in the know can be [TS]

01:05:05 ◼   ► really secretive about it right now [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► yeah and once you know boatloads of these things are you know on route or [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► can fly the first couple batches I don't know but once they're starting to put [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► them on pallets and ship them across the Pacific Ocean then there's obviously [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► more sources for league right and the jig is up although that's one reason why [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► why they're not usually available today right when they announce them is that [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► they are not quite in the in the chain yet at that point to keep some amount of [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► of secrecy i think right [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► I wonder I wonder how much that you know that that they only do like a small [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► number of boxes beforehand so that they can give us the review units and stuff [TS]

01:05:42 ◼   ► but then once they announce it is when all of a sudden like there's some place [TS]

01:05:45 ◼   ► in China where they're starting start turning out literally millions of boxes [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► with the product name like go because the I presume that they can print these [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► boxes hell of a lot faster than they can assemble phones [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► oh yeah sure i'm sure i'm sure that's probably a cool machine to see ya i was [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► i was thinking I wonder if you could print on an assembled box so like just [TS]

01:06:07 ◼   ► keep the just keep the edge that says whether it's a six señor a seven or [TS]

01:06:13 ◼   ► something else and just stamp it probably not they probably printed on [TS]

01:06:16 ◼   ► the cardboard and folded up let's take a break before we talk about the macrumors [TS]

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01:06:44 ◼   ► on glass they don't print your photos on paper and then like glue the paper to [TS]

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01:06:51 ◼   ► where they print them directly on glass I don't know how it works but it looks [TS]

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01:06:57 ◼   ► they really pop they have great vibrant color and contrast it just it just looks [TS]

01:07:02 ◼   ► like an exquisite print of a photo and it is a great way to bring your photos [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► to life it is such a great thing and it is such a lost thing that we even I'm [TS]

01:07:11 ◼   ► guilty of it i have them as a regular sponsor i buy them all the time and when [TS]

01:07:15 ◼   ► I really think about it I don't get enough of my pictures printed by [TS]

01:07:17 ◼   ► fracture I'm gonna get some printed after the show because I love him I love [TS]

01:07:20 ◼   ► having them around the house everybody loves having pictures hanging up on the [TS]

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01:07:24 ◼   ► they look so great it is amazing how good digital photos even from your phone [TS]

01:07:29 ◼   ► now look when you get them printed analog on on something that you can [TS]

01:07:33 ◼   ► actually touch i can't say how happy these every time i buy these factors i [TS]

01:07:39 ◼   ► can't tell you how happy they make me they even call it their happiness [TS]

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01:08:16 ◼   ► and it's got one question and the question is how did you hear about [TS]

01:08:19 ◼   ► fracture and then that's where you say the talk show or daring fireball or [TS]

01:08:23 ◼   ► whatever you want with it whatever you want to say so go there practically calm [TS]

01:08:27 ◼   ► / podcast those I'm surrounded by those right now it did its they're great [TS]

01:08:33 ◼   ► it's it's it's just so great i cannot say enough good things about this [TS]

01:08:36 ◼   ► company and it's not really gift-giving season the middle of august but my god [TS]

01:08:40 ◼   ► it is the best it is the best gift for family people you could ever imagine [TS]

01:08:46 ◼   ► it's what they do actually assemble [TS]

01:08:47 ◼   ► you know in Florida so they have limited liberate be basically they did I think [TS]

01:08:53 ◼   ► they get busy holiday so it's not bad to order ahead and quite honestly because [TS]

01:08:59 ◼   ► they these are not they don't have just a factory where they can just turn it up [TS]

01:09:02 ◼   ► they've got there there there there people who make these girls either last [TS]

01:09:06 ◼   ► year the year before remember doing this [TS]

01:09:08 ◼   ► read where they specifically the reed included like in bold print like you [TS]

01:09:13 ◼   ► know please order now [TS]

01:09:14 ◼   ► yeah please tell people to order by the end of november because but December [TS]

01:09:17 ◼   ► first we might be backlog past Christmas yeah all right back to government the [TS]

01:09:23 ◼   ► government had the second thing and more recently on it was just a couple days [TS]

01:09:25 ◼   ► ago we had a report on the new macbook pro yeah and some of it there was one [TS]

01:09:32 ◼   ► bit that was new to me and I think but the rest of it wasn't the bit that was [TS]

01:09:36 ◼   ► new to me was he said specifically that it is not a tapered design like the [TS]

01:09:40 ◼   ► regular macbook or the macbook air it is still a symmetric thickness across the [TS]

01:09:46 ◼   ► side which surprised me because I I sort of thought that they would go to a [TS]

01:09:51 ◼   ► tapered design that it would that that they would go it would be like like [TS]

01:09:55 ◼   ► think of a macbook air but with the retina screen [TS]

01:09:59 ◼   ► yeah i mean they must just added this is a way to differentiate this is a way to [TS]

01:10:03 ◼   ► have more room in there for battery and stuff but I mean it sounds like it's [TS]

01:10:06 ◼   ► still thinner than a slightly thinner he says yeah but not tapered that's a [TS]

01:10:12 ◼   ► little surprising i think i think that was the the going theory was that they [TS]

01:10:16 ◼   ► would be more like that like a macbook air for the for the macbook just a [TS]

01:10:20 ◼   ► little bit more chunky than that [TS]

01:10:21 ◼   ► yeah Chuck you're still part of my thinking that would be tapered is that [TS]

01:10:26 ◼   ► it's three factors one Apple tends to make things thinner i don't know i don't [TS]

01:10:30 ◼   ► know if you've ever thought about this are no jobs as law that's the jobs all [TS]

01:10:34 ◼   ► right there [TS]

01:10:35 ◼   ► I don't have you ever noticed Jason but over the years the alpha tends to make [TS]

01:10:38 ◼   ► devices thinner nothing and going to a tapered design is a way to make it [TS]

01:10:43 ◼   ► thinner in parts while still having you know there's certain things that may be [TS]

01:10:47 ◼   ► required the thickness and they can stick them in the back ran . too is [TS]

01:10:52 ◼   ► there was a report earlier this year from ming-chi kuo the supply chain and [TS]

01:10:57 ◼   ► just over in Asia who has very almost no sources i think within Apple itself but [TS]

01:11:02 ◼   ► some very good supply chain sources in the Asian countries where these [TS]

01:11:07 ◼   ► factories are and he reported he had a curious report about a 13-inch macbook [TS]

01:11:14 ◼   ► meaning like the 12-inch MacBook that that we have today this is just plain [TS]

01:11:18 ◼   ► macbook air 13 inch version right which makes no sense whatsoever like 12 inch [TS]

01:11:24 ◼   ► and 13 inches not enough differentiation and the 12-inch was just updated like if [TS]

01:11:30 ◼   ► if they wanted to change the 12-inch 213 I could see that that would be [TS]

01:11:33 ◼   ► believable if they wanted to go back and have two versions 111 and 113 like they [TS]

01:11:38 ◼   ► used to with the air i can see that but 12 and 13 isn't it [TS]

01:11:43 ◼   ► did you know you got to have like small and large you can't have like large and [TS]

01:11:47 ◼   ► semi large it doesn't make any sense so to me that made sense only in the [TS]

01:11:52 ◼   ► context that it wasn't a macbook that it was a macbook pro and you know maybe he [TS]

01:11:57 ◼   ► was just wrong and there is no 13-inch tapered macbook but that's just what I [TS]

01:12:01 ◼   ► thought [TS]

01:12:02 ◼   ► and then the third factor is wishful thinking you guys are I I've said this [TS]

01:12:06 ◼   ► before four years my portable was an 11-inch macbook air and it was it it was [TS]

01:12:13 ◼   ► really slow because it i tend to the thing that I do that really slows down a [TS]

01:12:18 ◼   ► mac is I have like 30 or 40 Safari windows open hmm i swear to god i think [TS]

01:12:24 ◼   ► i have like 40 windows open here on my imac each of them with like eight tabs [TS]

01:12:28 ◼   ► and on the macbook air that would really you know i have to call tab bankruptcy [TS]

01:12:34 ◼   ► way more frequency than I want frequently than i wanted to because it [TS]

01:12:39 ◼   ► just was slowing it down but the thing I loved about it and got addicted to and [TS]

01:12:43 ◼   ► even two years into having this 13-inch macbook pro still can't get used to is [TS]

01:12:47 ◼   ► when I take it out of a bag i turned put set in front of me the wrong way because [TS]

01:12:51 ◼   ► the tapered design made it instantaneously unknowable which is the [TS]

01:12:56 ◼   ► front which is the back and i still have if i want to do it visually I'm so old [TS]

01:13:01 ◼   ► and I'm so used to the old power books that i still remember when the apple [TS]

01:13:05 ◼   ► logo looked right when you were sitting in front of it close [TS]

01:13:08 ◼   ► not when it ripen and so I did that [TS]

01:13:11 ◼   ► doesn't help me either yeah i still have my 11 chair here that's my laptop that [TS]

01:13:16 ◼   ► like take around if I need to and I thought yeah i think there's a group of [TS]

01:13:20 ◼   ► people who are like well that macbook is not for me but i'm sure the new macbook [TS]

01:13:24 ◼   ► pro will be smaller and lighter than the existing macbook pro and that'll be [TS]

01:13:29 ◼   ► close enough and i think that i think that's a question here and that's what [TS]

01:13:32 ◼   ► you're getting at with sort of wishing that it's more of a wedge shape is the [TS]

01:13:36 ◼   ► the hope that it's yeah it's a macbook pro but it's still really thin and light [TS]

01:13:41 ◼   ► and that may not be you know that may not be possible given that they do want [TS]

01:13:47 ◼   ► to truly be a pro and have the power that the macbook dozen yeah that the the [TS]

01:13:52 ◼   ► pro they're really serious about the pro at name part of the name and and that [TS]

01:13:56 ◼   ► makes sense to me that you know because it is pro and i really want to emphasize [TS]

01:13:59 ◼   ► graphics you know and then there's according to garmin some options to have [TS]

01:14:04 ◼   ► these really nice [TS]

01:14:04 ◼   ► AMD graphics don't GPUs and other you know battery life and other things you [TS]

01:14:10 ◼   ► know obviously it's easier to put a bigger battery and a device that isn't [TS]

01:14:13 ◼   ► tapered so it makes sense and maybe it still has the nicer keyboard if it's [TS]

01:14:20 ◼   ► thicker because I kinda you know I i assume that these are going to have a [TS]

01:14:24 ◼   ► keyboard that's more like the magic keyboard so different than the classic [TS]

01:14:29 ◼   ► keyboard but not the macbook keyboard that's might that would be my guess is [TS]

01:14:33 ◼   ► that they they engineered this other kind of keyboard for a reason and then [TS]

01:14:37 ◼   ► probably not just as an external bluetooth keyboard that this would be [TS]

01:14:40 ◼   ► the basis of the of the of the macbook pro keyboard to instead of the super [TS]

01:14:45 ◼   ► thin macbook keyboard [TS]

01:14:47 ◼   ► yeah that makes sense to me i hope so when I guess the other thing again this [TS]

01:14:53 ◼   ► was you know rumored before I think maybe from German I'd probably from [TS]

01:14:57 ◼   ► garmin when he was a 9to5 mac and I've heard other things elsewhere but that [TS]

01:15:01 ◼   ► the function keys are being replaced [TS]

01:15:04 ◼   ► there will be no more function keys on the keyboard the f1 f2 f3 and which most [TS]

01:15:08 ◼   ► people use for the other purpose they don't usually use them as function keys [TS]

01:15:11 ◼   ► but is the whatever the little icon is you know the volume up volume down right [TS]

01:15:16 ◼   ► keyboard brightness etc [TS]

01:15:18 ◼   ► those are going away and it will be replaced with a and led touchscreen that [TS]

01:15:25 ◼   ► will be software configurable so it'll be like having almost like an iOS device [TS]

01:15:30 ◼   ► on the keyboard where you tap on these buttons that would be software [TS]

01:15:35 ◼   ► configurable right which presumably means that then there will be a when [TS]

01:15:39 ◼   ► this is announced that all the like app developers are going to be given no time [TS]

01:15:43 ◼   ► to be handed a new API I've like here's how you do this and then they're gonna [TS]

01:15:47 ◼   ► have to kind of jump to it or we're going to see slow adoption of it which [TS]

01:15:51 ◼   ► is the downside of having a fancy new hardware that requires software adoption [TS]

01:15:56 ◼   ► because they'll be a lag i'm i'm a little skeptical visit it's all about [TS]

01:16:01 ◼   ► the implementation but I'm skeptical only in the sense that I don't look down [TS]

01:16:05 ◼   ► at my keyboard a lot right and and you use it by feel and this isn't going to [TS]

01:16:10 ◼   ► be an area that you presumably can't use by feel unless there's some other aspect [TS]

01:16:15 ◼   ► of this that is not clear in these reports and that that that concerns me [TS]

01:16:19 ◼   ► like if you have to look down in order to mute your system because you don't [TS]

01:16:23 ◼   ► know where the mute button it is or if it's even visible that's that seems less [TS]

01:16:27 ◼   ► good can you can you hit the mute key without looking [TS]

01:16:30 ◼   ► I can I can't use any of those that function keys without looking i can [TS]

01:16:33 ◼   ► touch-type but I even after I don't hide i'm not even now I can't even touch type [TS]

01:16:38 ◼   ► numbers i have to look when i type numbers i can only do the alphabet that [TS]

01:16:42 ◼   ► i did some of the time i can i can touch-type some of them some of the time [TS]

01:16:45 ◼   ► and sometimes i do look if I'm if I'm not oriented my hands on the keyboard i [TS]

01:16:49 ◼   ► think i think it's true but you know that's the argument is that you just you [TS]

01:16:53 ◼   ► look you glanced down and and you tap i also have I'm kind of excited i used to [TS]

01:16:57 ◼   ► have a bluetooth keyboard that had a volume control that was you get a little [TS]

01:17:03 ◼   ► strip that you just slide your finger on and I think that's interesting that some [TS]

01:17:07 ◼   ► of the things we do with these with these devices like making the the [TS]

01:17:11 ◼   ► brightness more or less or making the volume louder or quieter don't really [TS]

01:17:16 ◼   ► have to be there not even the best way to control them is not two keys or three [TS]

01:17:22 ◼   ► keys [TS]

01:17:23 ◼   ► it's probably it because it's a it's a spectrum in on an iphone you just you [TS]

01:17:27 ◼   ► just slide this writer i could see that for something like this to wear instead [TS]

01:17:30 ◼   ► of having key [TS]

01:17:32 ◼   ► to control the brightness of your display there's just a brightness strip [TS]

01:17:35 ◼   ► and you slide your finger on it right is you once you touch school once you turn [TS]

01:17:39 ◼   ► it like the slider pops up next to it right like if you haven't yet put your [TS]

01:17:43 ◼   ► finger on brightness and then slide your finger to adjust exactly even if you [TS]

01:17:47 ◼   ► don't look if you just if you know where to land your finger for the brightness [TS]

01:17:50 ◼   ► area then at that point you're at where you are now and you just slide left or [TS]

01:17:53 ◼   ► right to make a brighter or or or likewise with volume and rent if you [TS]

01:17:57 ◼   ► want to quiet you just touch the volume thing and slide to the left until it [TS]

01:18:00 ◼   ► says it's muted and that's that's a better interaction then tap tap tap tap [TS]

01:18:05 ◼   ► on any yeah I could see that you know I mean and I for system-wide stuff I can [TS]

01:18:12 ◼   ► definitely see it I am i it's not that I'm skeptical it's just that I can't [TS]

01:18:17 ◼   ► i've yet to imagine a scenario where i would want / application stuff and [TS]

01:18:22 ◼   ► that's one of the things government said the point was that you know depending on [TS]

01:18:25 ◼   ► what applications are indicative different things so you know would it be [TS]

01:18:28 ◼   ► helpful like if you're using photoshop or or you know an image editor to have [TS]

01:18:34 ◼   ► the the tool palette on the keyboard so that the argument is like you know I'm [TS]

01:18:40 ◼   ► Final Cut users sometimes would have liked stickers that they put on key s [TS]

01:18:43 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

01:18:44 ◼   ► in order to stay like this is what i need to do to do this thing that you [TS]

01:18:47 ◼   ► wouldn't need you could just have custom labels I mean it's just like with the [TS]

01:18:50 ◼   ► iphone you have the custom label so even if it's essentially the same as command [TS]

01:18:54 ◼   ► shift option k or it's you know she you know command F to that instead of that [TS]

01:19:00 ◼   ► it just has a thing that says you know split clip then you can you tap it and [TS]

01:19:04 ◼   ► it does what you want I gotta thank you the idea i guess i guess there's someone [TS]

01:19:08 ◼   ► you know and it ties it back in with our earlier discussion about custom keycaps [TS]

01:19:11 ◼   ► you know where I've seen like you I've seen that you can buy like if you use [TS]

01:19:15 ◼   ► Final Cut as a profession you can get like especially not just stickers you [TS]

01:19:18 ◼   ► can just buy a keyboard that has the you know the keys i think there's photoshop [TS]

01:19:22 ◼   ► versions of that too yeah well you know i'm on ATP at one point a few months ago [TS]

01:19:26 ◼   ► they talked about that i think there's a an incredibly expensive keyboard that [TS]

01:19:31 ◼   ► has custom keys like that they're like little screens i have seen that [TS]

01:19:36 ◼   ► yeah that's madness but you know that that that idea so yeah I mean it's it's [TS]

01:19:42 ◼   ► true and and you know i could see Apple pitching it has been [TS]

01:19:45 ◼   ► in a way to unearth the most important and little-used features in your app in [TS]

01:19:52 ◼   ► a way that but you know you can expose them by giving them their own dedicated [TS]

01:19:55 ◼   ► space on the keyboard at aii my fear is that Apple is going to have some really [TS]

01:20:01 ◼   ► great examples with their apps and then all the third party developers are gonna [TS]

01:20:05 ◼   ► be like well you know and then and and they're gonna not adopted or they're [TS]

01:20:10 ◼   ► gonna do it badly that you want to see because that's it that's a real [TS]

01:20:14 ◼   ► challenge for like mac software developers suddenly have having to do [TS]

01:20:17 ◼   ► this whole new approach to their UI which is this only on macbook pros by [TS]

01:20:24 ◼   ► the way right [TS]

01:20:25 ◼   ► I don't know it's weird well maybe presumably i would think if it takes off [TS]

01:20:30 ◼   ► if there's any kind of traction with it whatsoever it will come to the regular [TS]

01:20:35 ◼   ► macbook next revision around and maybe we'll come to the magic keyboard [TS]

01:20:39 ◼   ► yeah I mean maybe I think it's a little weird as I as I think about it and [TS]

01:20:45 ◼   ► imagine it I can't imagine it being cool i can imagine it being a gimmick I'm not [TS]

01:20:49 ◼   ► sold on it purely is it idea [TS]

01:20:51 ◼   ► yeah but i do think it's weird a weird mashup of touch screens and the the [TS]

01:20:59 ◼   ► abstraction of the pointer based mac OS right that you've got a screen on the [TS]

01:21:04 ◼   ► laptop that is abstract meaning you have to use a trackpad or a mouse to move a [TS]

01:21:09 ◼   ► pointer that is a representation of you in the system and then have an actual [TS]

01:21:14 ◼   ► touch screen right there right it could gets to the whole point of people [TS]

01:21:18 ◼   ► thinking that they want touch screens on the mac itself which but it remains [TS]

01:21:22 ◼   ► inside apples philosophy of it which is that you don't go out of the out of the [TS]

01:21:27 ◼   ► plane you don't go perpendicular that people don't want to do this on the arms [TS]

01:21:30 ◼   ► thing but but if your hands are down on the keyboard right on a laptop you know [TS]

01:21:34 ◼   ► you're looking at the screen but you're also looking at the keyboard it's right [TS]

01:21:37 ◼   ► there you can't really look away from it and that that you know and then your [TS]

01:21:40 ◼   ► fingers are already you know right next to that touch area so you're not having [TS]

01:21:44 ◼   ► to lift up and then reach out and touch the screen so it does fit it's a way for [TS]

01:21:49 ◼   ► them to do touch screen technology short of replacing the entire keyboard with a [TS]

01:21:54 ◼   ► touchscreen and while not kind of breaking their philosophy of not doing a [TS]

01:21:58 ◼   ► touch [TS]

01:21:59 ◼   ► Green on the main screen right which would also require you to redo the [TS]

01:22:02 ◼   ► entire UI of the mac OS to make things of a size that would be amenable to [TS]

01:22:07 ◼   ► being touched [TS]

01:22:08 ◼   ► would you make it all the controls incredibly large for everybody using a [TS]

01:22:13 ◼   ► mouse would be which is one of the reasons why don't think it's ever gonna [TS]

01:22:16 ◼   ► happen it doesn't say government doesn't say whether the touchscreen strip for [TS]

01:22:23 ◼   ► function keys as he describes it will be a tactic i hope that it is because it to [TS]

01:22:30 ◼   ► me that would make it make a lot more sense because then you could navigate by [TS]

01:22:33 ◼   ► feel a little better right [TS]

01:22:35 ◼   ► I don't know if you can though because if it's if it's a touchscreen then if if [TS]

01:22:39 ◼   ► you're running your finger over it you're touching it unless unless its [TS]

01:22:43 ◼   ► pressure sensitive right i don't know i mean there's a lot of there's a lot of [TS]

01:22:48 ◼   ► questions about this one this is this is a real mystery where we're not knowing [TS]

01:22:51 ◼   ► anything but the existence of the hardware we left to put our own [TS]

01:22:55 ◼   ► judgments on it that may have nothing to do with the the real approach in the [TS]

01:23:00 ◼   ► real way Apple is going to explain it when they roll this out i also says [TS]

01:23:04 ◼   ► he'll have us bc it doesn't say how many right USB seaports favorite or 500 fits [TS]

01:23:10 ◼   ► or if they're removing UAE at all together or Thunderbolt or is there a [TS]

01:23:15 ◼   ► mix it's just sort of like there will be USB it will include USBC isn't that one [TS]

01:23:21 ◼   ► of the one of his sources said which ties back to my how long will I be able [TS]

01:23:26 ◼   ► to get away using an Apple extended keyboard to that adapter i have goes to [TS]

01:23:29 ◼   ► regular USB so I you know what show us bc 2 USB dat be just a change just to [TS]

01:23:35 ◼   ► keep changing them forever [TS]

01:23:37 ◼   ► eventually though right so I'll be able to keep going with a USBC only imac if [TS]

01:23:44 ◼   ► let's say the next 1i replace this imac if that one only has USBC although i [TS]

01:23:49 ◼   ► presume on an imac they're not going to get rid of the you know they can afford [TS]

01:23:52 ◼   ► to just have a bunch of ugly ports because they hide them all on the back [TS]

01:23:56 ◼   ► yeah probably so i probably won't and that's where i use this keyboard i don't [TS]

01:24:00 ◼   ► have never used the I've never used it with a macbook [TS]

01:24:03 ◼   ► you know it doesn't make any sense to pull the plug extended keyboard you know [TS]

01:24:07 ◼   ► an external keyboard into a macbook so I'm not too worried about it but it [TS]

01:24:10 ◼   ► makes me think wonder about you know at some point eventually I think before the [TS]

01:24:14 ◼   ► the death of the Mack I i wouldn't be surprised if I'm using a mac that [TS]

01:24:20 ◼   ► doesn't have any ports at all other than power [TS]

01:24:23 ◼   ► so yeah you know 10 15 years from now will I school i will there be USB ports [TS]

01:24:29 ◼   ► on a Mac I don't know [TS]

01:24:30 ◼   ► well you'll be going from wireless standard to us bc 2 USB the atb at that [TS]

01:24:34 ◼   ► point [TS]

01:24:35 ◼   ► yeah I'm sorry Sophia I'm sure they'll be a chain of adapters that you can use [TS]

01:24:39 ◼   ► keep using your 30-plus year old keyboard that anyway I guess that's what [TS]

01:24:42 ◼   ► I need I need a USB port that apply hub that goes to one wireless wireless and [TS]

01:24:48 ◼   ► bluetooth a yeah yeah I'm sure he also at the other reported here that i [TS]

01:24:53 ◼   ► thought was really interesting when we talk about sort of how he qualifies the [TS]

01:24:56 ◼   ► sources at Bloomberg is he says apple is also considered bringing space grey gold [TS]

01:25:02 ◼   ► and silver silver silver it already is a big basically adding the other two [TS]

01:25:07 ◼   ► colors that they have in the iphones and on the macbook to the new line a person [TS]

01:25:13 ◼   ► said right and then he says it's unclear if this will happen so basically he had [TS]

01:25:17 ◼   ► one person say that they were talking about it and we don't know what the [TS]

01:25:21 ◼   ► outcome is and if they're actually doing it or not just that they thought about [TS]

01:25:24 ◼   ► it [TS]

01:25:24 ◼   ► yeah I think they probably will I hope they do I mean I I feel like I mean I've [TS]

01:25:30 ◼   ► been another podcast I've been complaining about this for a while now [TS]

01:25:34 ◼   ► as I kind of Miss the old days of like the colorful ipods and stuff and even [TS]

01:25:40 ◼   ► the colorful max if you go back to the original iMac and and they ended up [TS]

01:25:45 ◼   ► having you know eight different colors of those I kind of Miss that like we [TS]

01:25:48 ◼   ► were all silver apple products for so long and now we've got the gold in the [TS]

01:25:55 ◼   ► space cray and that's good i think it's a good step but I do i do feel sometimes [TS]

01:25:59 ◼   ► I know that their supply chain issues and and and and store issues and and all [TS]

01:26:03 ◼   ► of that but I do kind of Miss having more personality and color and like if [TS]

01:26:08 ◼   ► somebody wants to buy a blu macbook they would be great they would i would love [TS]

01:26:13 ◼   ► that but at least one of things i like about the macbook is [TS]

01:26:17 ◼   ► it isn't just the silver color you can get it in the gold or the rose gold or [TS]

01:26:21 ◼   ► the or the space grey yeah it's been a long time for me where there's one color [TS]

01:26:26 ◼   ► from MacBook and you don't like it I have the black book when they made that [TS]

01:26:30 ◼   ► and i love that and then that was the last macbook I had before I should i [TS]

01:26:35 ◼   ► switch to the macbook air and it's been also for laptops and I i saw someone in [TS]

01:26:38 ◼   ► starbucks with the black macbook earlier this summer maybe a year this year and [TS]

01:26:43 ◼   ► we're out there [TS]

01:26:43 ◼   ► great condition I mean this guy really obviously cares for it because IM it [TS]

01:26:48 ◼   ► glanced at least it was it certainly wasn't grungy at all and I was but I was [TS]

01:26:54 ◼   ► my had this moment where I was just like whoa what is that [TS]

01:26:58 ◼   ► that thing looks great and then I realized that what it was and I was and [TS]

01:27:01 ◼   ► then I kind of thought that was and I was like they were more prone to [TS]

01:27:05 ◼   ► fingerprints than the white ones but i think they were more resilient overall [TS]

01:27:08 ◼   ► because the white ones were super shiny and so they got scratch pretty easily [TS]

01:27:11 ◼   ► but the black ones where this matte color and not add more at a glance i [TS]

01:27:15 ◼   ► thought it was gorgeous the other one that I've had that I don't haven't seen [TS]

01:27:18 ◼   ► one in years now but long after it was discontinued occasionally I would see [TS]

01:27:22 ◼   ► the 12-inch i think it was called a powerbook yeah 12v power but the 1i was [TS]

01:27:28 ◼   ► my the one with the keyboard really when edge-to-edge yeah just like the macbook [TS]

01:27:32 ◼   ► now I mean that was that was the original edge-to-edge this keep this [TS]

01:27:35 ◼   ► laptop cannot be any wider than the keyboard the full-size keyboard i love [TS]

01:27:39 ◼   ► that that was my favorite before the 11th year that was my favorite alive [TS]

01:27:42 ◼   ► I for years afterwards after its discontinuation when I'd see one like at [TS]

01:27:47 ◼   ► a press event or a coffee shop or something i'd have this moment of whoa [TS]

01:27:53 ◼   ► what brand computers that that is a hot look at it you know like wow [TS]

01:27:58 ◼   ► Apple should get on that makes oh but yep because I knew it wasn't you know [TS]

01:28:03 ◼   ► like the modern I instantly did recognize it as something different than [TS]

01:28:06 ◼   ► what you guys available now and instantly recognized into something that [TS]

01:28:09 ◼   ► was gorgeous [TS]

01:28:11 ◼   ► yeah but boxy because it's so thick now that but in terms of with I mean it was [TS]

01:28:15 ◼   ► it was incredibly small some way smaller smaller than the macbook because the [TS]

01:28:18 ◼   ► screen was so much smaller yeah but it but then but then super thick [TS]

01:28:22 ◼   ► yeah it is yeah there's a certain elegance to the way that the keyboard [TS]

01:28:26 ◼   ► looked edge to edge where it's sort of like the same appeal is like those [TS]

01:28:29 ◼   ► infinity pools [TS]

01:28:30 ◼   ► like good looks at something it in my brain registers that is beautiful like [TS]

01:28:36 ◼   ► it's the same way like there was somehow instead of being awkward that there was [TS]

01:28:40 ◼   ► no edge around it it the proportions were so nice that it just looked sharp [TS]

01:28:45 ◼   ► like I really always felt I always felt that computer was like a keyboard that [TS]

01:28:49 ◼   ► had a computer around it that it was like the computer and the keyboard we're [TS]

01:28:52 ◼   ► just all part of the same thing in a way because of that design I idea that was [TS]

01:28:58 ◼   ► mine that was my favorite the 11-inch took it over as my sort of favorite [TS]

01:29:01 ◼   ► apple laptop ever but for a long time I was that a 12-inch MacBook is is kind of [TS]

01:29:07 ◼   ► kind of always something to that now but it's not quite the same [TS]

01:29:11 ◼   ► yeah there's a framing device in German story that I don't buy it all which is [TS]

01:29:16 ◼   ► that an end if you watch the video he did with bloomberg TV they emphasize it [TS]

01:29:21 ◼   ► to which is sort of like Apple is doing this new macbook pro because ipad sales [TS]

01:29:28 ◼   ► have tapered off and the ipad didn't really succeed at being the replacement [TS]

01:29:35 ◼   ► for laptops i'm here i'll just read his words this year's macbook pro overall is [TS]

01:29:40 ◼   ► aimed at increasing notebook sales at a time when consumers are taking longer to [TS]

01:29:43 ◼   ► buy replace iPads Apple research suggests customers upgrade iPads roughly [TS]

01:29:47 ◼   ► every three years while they buy new iPhones every 18 to 12 months according [TS]

01:29:50 ◼   ► to a person familiar with Apple strategy which blog that I that has nothing to do [TS]

01:29:54 ◼   ► with why this macbook is command now it yeah it sounds to me like he had a [TS]

01:29:58 ◼   ► tidbit which is that Apple research is yeah seems to have twigged on what the [TS]

01:30:03 ◼   ► buying pattern is for the ipad which we've all been wondering like what is [TS]

01:30:07 ◼   ► the cycle and it sounds like his sources set suggest that Apple thinks it's three [TS]

01:30:13 ◼   ► years but it doesn't seem to have I mean that likely weren't gonna update the [TS]

01:30:18 ◼   ► macbook pro if the ipad was doing great they were just never going to update it [TS]

01:30:21 ◼   ► again i think most people would say that surprised it's taking this long [TS]

01:30:24 ◼   ► right because they were waiting at Intel and Intel had some issues and they [TS]

01:30:27 ◼   ► thought they could skip a generation get away with it [TS]

01:30:29 ◼   ► yeah i got bitten and now they're like that's too long 140 days or something [TS]

01:30:34 ◼   ► like that [TS]

01:30:34 ◼   ► yeah well it's very clear that they thought they could get away with [TS]

01:30:37 ◼   ► skipping that one intel processor generation and and skating by because [TS]

01:30:41 ◼   ► the next one was going to be great and then the next one go ahead [TS]

01:30:44 ◼   ► issues and now here we are but you know I don't like it has anything to do with [TS]

01:30:49 ◼   ► the ipad yeah why why has it taken so long for this ipad this new macbook pro [TS]

01:30:54 ◼   ► to come out and were speaking about it as though it out and it's not out yet [TS]

01:30:58 ◼   ► and now we can even may not be out until october and remember even and I think [TS]

01:31:03 ◼   ► you could use that is I don't think with this in particular like that the mac pro [TS]

01:31:08 ◼   ► is a totally different story and edit I don't know what is going on there [TS]

01:31:11 ◼   ► because it's been nine years or nine years but yeah feels like it's been [TS]

01:31:15 ◼   ► about nine years since it came out three years without any updates at all and [TS]

01:31:19 ◼   ► that it there's the story on that has to be more complicated and it might be more [TS]

01:31:24 ◼   ► worrisome to people who really depend on those those those machines with the [TS]

01:31:29 ◼   ► macbook pro though I think the story is exactly what you said I think that there [TS]

01:31:33 ◼   ► was an intel generation of chips that Apple thought they could skip and wait [TS]

01:31:39 ◼   ► for the next one in this because it's like why do a new version of the macbook [TS]

01:31:43 ◼   ► pro of the old you know macbook pro as we know it with just with the new [TS]

01:31:47 ◼   ► chipset when this new thing is coming when and we have all these plans for the [TS]

01:31:51 ◼   ► you know keyboard and it's going to be thinner will wait you know we'll wait a [TS]

01:31:56 ◼   ► while with that and it's taken longer than they thought it would because it's [TS]

01:32:00 ◼   ► too many they sell too many of these like it's easy to say that there is off [TS]

01:32:04 ◼   ► the ball on the mac pro because it just doesn't sell my quantities but the [TS]

01:32:07 ◼   ► macbook pro is a big moneymaker [TS]

01:32:10 ◼   ► it really is i think it's there I mean I my money would be on it being there [TS]

01:32:15 ◼   ► number one mac that they sell right because they sell to be somewhere [TS]

01:32:20 ◼   ► between two-thirds and three-quarters of the max that they sell they don't break [TS]

01:32:22 ◼   ► it out anymore in rank so we we can tell but it's a it's a huge number of the [TS]

01:32:26 ◼   ► majority of the max old laptops they're not desktops their laptops and i would [TS]

01:32:31 ◼   ► think that I mean macbook air probably isn't selling very well now the macbook [TS]

01:32:35 ◼   ► is probably doing ok but macbook pro that's the workforce that is at a normal [TS]

01:32:39 ◼   ► time that's got to be that the most important of all the mac certainly and [TS]

01:32:43 ◼   ► certainly by revenue and profit because it yeah it's not quite there and [TS]

01:32:46 ◼   ► quantity it is a much higher price especially and because it attracts pros [TS]

01:32:51 ◼   ► it i'm sure that more people buy them and max out the storage and [TS]

01:32:56 ◼   ► ram and stuff like that the graphics you know whereas the people who buy [TS]

01:32:59 ◼   ► certainly the people who are buying macbook airs are buying them for the [TS]

01:33:03 ◼   ► price at this point because the specs aren't there the screens aren't retina [TS]

01:33:06 ◼   ► whereas people buying the pros might be buying the ones that cost you know 25 [TS]

01:33:11 ◼   ► hundred dollars so bye-bye revenue it's gotta be so I'd i think apple is as is [TS]

01:33:16 ◼   ► internally furious about the delay on this so the other thing government [TS]

01:33:20 ◼   ► reports and you you looked at it [TS]

01:33:22 ◼   ► government says that they're not planning to debut them at the event next [TS]

01:33:28 ◼   ► month which I expect to be on September seventh and catching it at mainly just [TS]

01:33:32 ◼   ► going by history which is that for the last three four years they've had an [TS]

01:33:36 ◼   ► event somewhere around this is like march 72 or sep tember 7th 2 1112 [TS]

01:33:43 ◼   ► something like that and if you look at the calendar March or September seven is [TS]

01:33:47 ◼   ► the day its way on a and the monday $MONTH $DAY two days before his labor [TS]

01:33:51 ◼   ► day which is why they're not having on Tuesday exactly right well it was two [TS]

01:33:54 ◼   ► years ago was the ninth and i think last year is the eighth and I think that [TS]

01:33:57 ◼   ► making it the seventh this year makes makes a lot of sense if they if they're [TS]

01:34:00 ◼   ► sticking with that pattern that will be what it is [TS]

01:34:02 ◼   ► um i would have expected and again i have no inside information on this what [TS]

01:34:06 ◼   ► so ever but just based on the fact that last year they used one event to do [TS]

01:34:12 ◼   ► everything that was coming out in the fall including the ipad pro which wasn't [TS]

01:34:18 ◼   ► coming until late october that even if these macbook pros aren't coming til [TS]

01:34:22 ◼   ► October that they would use this one event to to unveil them and the one [TS]

01:34:25 ◼   ► thing I do know just from last year was talking to people at Apple that it was [TS]

01:34:30 ◼   ► definitely purposeful a purposeful decision to go to 11 event September for [TS]

01:34:36 ◼   ► everything i'm going to do that fall instead of what they had done in the [TS]

01:34:40 ◼   ► previous few years which was a big event in September and in a smallish event [TS]

01:34:45 ◼   ► usually a town hall in cupertino in October that they found that too too [TS]

01:34:49 ◼   ► hard to do back-to-back yeah you know I think I think they could announce them [TS]

01:34:57 ◼   ► at the event and just say look we we love the mac and we have a whole bunch [TS]

01:35:01 ◼   ► of new mac stuff and here's a really quick look at where the mac is going [TS]

01:35:04 ◼   ► this fall and they would say this is coming in october this coming out [TS]

01:35:07 ◼   ► November of course Sierra's out now [TS]

01:35:09 ◼   ► blah blah we're done they could do an event also i mean i know people don't [TS]

01:35:15 ◼   ► like it when i say this but there are apple can release products without an [TS]

01:35:19 ◼   ► event [TS]

01:35:19 ◼   ► yeah and for something like the mac which we all love but at the same time [TS]

01:35:24 ◼   ► is a small part of apples but overall business now is it the end of the world [TS]

01:35:28 ◼   ► if Apple does a you know a macbook pro press release I mean it would be a [TS]

01:35:35 ◼   ► whimper but they could they could also do a really small event somewhere [TS]

01:35:38 ◼   ► they've done that before where it's a mac event and it's got a very limited [TS]

01:35:42 ◼   ► invite and it's town hall [TS]

01:35:44 ◼   ► I didn't it could even do that I don't think they're ever gonna go back to town [TS]

01:35:47 ◼   ► hall but they got options they don't have to give it 30 minutes onstage on [TS]

01:35:53 ◼   ► September seven [TS]

01:35:54 ◼   ► yeah my guess is that they either give it 30 minutes onstage September seventh [TS]

01:35:58 ◼   ► or they'll release it without an event and do product briefings get the prefix [TS]

01:36:03 ◼   ► and press release and big website and you know I'm in fact is Apple can [TS]

01:36:07 ◼   ► release a product without an event and still get lots of press coverage because [TS]

01:36:11 ◼   ► they invite their you know key journalist contacts to pre briefings and [TS]

01:36:16 ◼   ► give them an embargo and and then you know one day you wake up and suddenly [TS]

01:36:21 ◼   ► all of these reviews are posting about what the new macbook that just was [TS]

01:36:24 ◼   ► announced yeah i think when they do the briefings there's obviously fewer press [TS]

01:36:27 ◼   ► than an event but it's not it's not super exclusive either like I remember [TS]

01:36:33 ◼   ► when the watch came out uh III there was an event in March that was the year that [TS]

01:36:39 ◼   ► couldn't travel because of the eye surgery right they didn't give them they [TS]

01:36:43 ◼   ► didn't have watches to give out yet and when they did they did they did product [TS]

01:36:47 ◼   ► briefings New York and and on campus and cupertino for us coasters [TS]

01:36:52 ◼   ► so I went to New York but it was tons and tons I mean a big big operation I [TS]

01:36:57 ◼   ► mean it was it wasn't just like oh they invited three people and Ryan get my [TS]

01:37:00 ◼   ► watch I mean it was a an operation [TS]

01:37:04 ◼   ► yeah although that's it that's in part / perhaps because they thought they would [TS]

01:37:08 ◼   ► be able to give them out at the march of india and they couldn't but like they [TS]

01:37:12 ◼   ► can do that with the macbook sure that they certainly absolutely could [TS]

01:37:18 ◼   ► uh trying to say anything else about the back book pros [TS]

01:37:21 ◼   ► I don't think so i know i mean i-i just we mentioned that the seven years it's [TS]

01:37:27 ◼   ► been since the mac pro got updated i do think that that's a that's an [TS]

01:37:30 ◼   ► overarching question that we still need an answer to is what's going on with the [TS]

01:37:35 ◼   ► rest of the mac line think other than the macbook that all kind of the this [TS]

01:37:39 ◼   ► would be the season this fall would be the season where they would do a least a [TS]

01:37:43 ◼   ► speed bump on the imax and maybe the mac mini and certainly a story about what's [TS]

01:37:49 ◼   ► going on with the mac pro and it sounds like you know they're working on that [TS]

01:37:53 ◼   ► stuff I've seen reports that all that stuff is in process and it's just a [TS]

01:37:58 ◼   ► question of windows it formally announced and shipped and it sounds like [TS]

01:38:01 ◼   ► we may end up with a fall where the entire Mac line turns over except the [TS]

01:38:05 ◼   ► macbook and yeah i think i hopes oh yeah we really do because it is you know it's [TS]

01:38:14 ◼   ► damn curious if you want to use a mac pro that you have to buy a [TS]

01:38:18 ◼   ► three-year-old computer i can't i can't believe they're still selling them [TS]

01:38:22 ◼   ► I mean it's almost unconscionable that those products are still for sale [TS]

01:38:26 ◼   ► because they're so outdated now it would be fascinating to know how many of them [TS]

01:38:32 ◼   ► they're actually selling because even more than the macbook pro it I it's [TS]

01:38:38 ◼   ► almost certain that nobody goes in and by accidentally just on a whim buys it [TS]

01:38:42 ◼   ► Mac Pro right like that it's it really truly is the most probe all of any [TS]

01:38:48 ◼   ► computer they sell it's very expensive [TS]

01:38:51 ◼   ► it requires a display you know I wonder if they're selling intense institutional [TS]

01:38:56 ◼   ► sales now where they actually buy a bunch of them and give them a big [TS]

01:38:59 ◼   ► discount and yeah you can buy a month on the apple store on apple.com but that [TS]

01:39:04 ◼   ► maybe if they're selling any it's really that and and it's two people that they [TS]

01:39:08 ◼   ► need a mac pro and they needed today and they might just get up and I can totally [TS]

01:39:11 ◼   ► see though how a lot of people coming in to buy a mac a macbook of any sort or an [TS]

01:39:16 ◼   ► imac they have no idea when the last time it was revised and they don't care [TS]

01:39:20 ◼   ► sure it's just look at it looks right and it seems to be very fit very fast [TS]

01:39:24 ◼   ► right there the story i'll buy it where's the mac pro is only selling to [TS]

01:39:27 ◼   ► people whatever the reason whether they're you know videos that [TS]

01:39:31 ◼   ► editors or photographers or developers they're selling to people who know that [TS]

01:39:36 ◼   ► this this is a three-year-old computer and I route you know at the end people [TS]

01:39:40 ◼   ► who note a know that it's old be know that it's no longer a good value for the [TS]

01:39:44 ◼   ► dollar and see know that it's gonna physically paint them to buy one and [TS]

01:39:49 ◼   ► then have a new one come out in short order exactly also i wouldn't feel bad [TS]

01:39:53 ◼   ► buying an imac now even knowing ya I want you back in the fall because the [TS]

01:39:56 ◼   ► idea that the 2015 update to the imac I mean those are those are good modern [TS]

01:40:01 ◼   ► fast systems it's not the same situation though they're all fast with mac pro to [TS]

01:40:05 ◼   ► basically so yeah I don't even know was baffling I i got the first 5k imac yeah [TS]

01:40:12 ◼   ► i got no and I don't even feel bad about that one even knowing that the next one [TS]

01:40:16 ◼   ► came with the increase color gamut which is gorgeous but which I I'm never going [TS]

01:40:21 ◼   ► to see it side-by-side with this one and this one still looks drop-dead this [TS]

01:40:25 ◼   ► displays the best display I've ever had so yeah I don't even feel bad about that [TS]

01:40:29 ◼   ► yeah i'm colorblind so I really mean is color i can see color but I'm I don't [TS]

01:40:34 ◼   ► appreciate some of the finer details of color and the color gamut thing I i [TS]

01:40:37 ◼   ► basically I can see it a little bit but yeah it doesn't make me feel sad and I [TS]

01:40:41 ◼   ► got bad core i7 it yeah that's the i7 imac I did the bill to order of a [TS]

01:40:47 ◼   ► high-end like it's the most powerful Mac I've ever owned [TS]

01:40:50 ◼   ► I'm just even though it's a 2014 I'm happy with it Tom friend of the show [TS]

01:40:55 ◼   ► Craig Hockenberry is doing it from the these developer and I contractor [TS]

01:40:59 ◼   ► yeah he's doing a lot of research into colored technology [TS]

01:41:05 ◼   ► long story short I helped him out and but I looked at he had an image i gotta [TS]

01:41:09 ◼   ► whatever you want to call it [TS]

01:41:10 ◼   ► what's deep resolution whatever that's called the the extra you know that the [TS]

01:41:14 ◼   ► extra color it's like a wide color gamut wide color gamut he had a photograph [TS]

01:41:18 ◼   ► that that took advantage of it and I just looked at it at the on the imac and [TS]

01:41:23 ◼   ► I looked at it on the the ipad pro which is the I think the only device i have [TS]

01:41:27 ◼   ► that has that the 9.7 yeah yeah and I could see the difference but it will but [TS]

01:41:33 ◼   ► it was not a heartbreaking difference it was a WoW apples really killing it with [TS]

01:41:37 ◼   ► the with these displays but it did not break my heart that my imac [TS]

01:41:42 ◼   ► doesn't have it yeah exactly that's that I think that's exactly right if our [TS]

01:41:45 ◼   ► photographer working in in that you know color space and being frustrated that my [TS]

01:41:50 ◼   ► display couldn't write properly display it then i would i would jump on it if it [TS]

01:41:55 ◼   ► was retina vs non-retina then I would just pick up this imac and throw it in [TS]

01:41:59 ◼   ► the garbage yeah and head to the apple store [TS]

01:42:01 ◼   ► uh-huh yeah so I I feel like like Mac was that mac rumors saying don't buy an [TS]

01:42:06 ◼   ► imac like yeah you know you buy an imac I suppose you're reading macrumors [TS]

01:42:10 ◼   ► you're savvy enough but like you goodbye [TS]

01:42:12 ◼   ► I think you could buy an imac if you need to find if you need a if you got [TS]

01:42:16 ◼   ► ate you to definitely do it I would because it'll get better in the fall [TS]

01:42:19 ◼   ► there's no doubt but it's already pretty great that's a that's a [TS]

01:42:22 ◼   ► it's gonna be fine but the mac pro no idea macbook pro same thing so i hope i [TS]

01:42:27 ◼   ► guess that's what i'm saying is i hope that there's more behind this exciting [TS]

01:42:30 ◼   ► macbook pro which is absolutely should be the number one thing on the on the [TS]

01:42:33 ◼   ► list of of mark thurmond reporting about it but I hope behind that there are [TS]

01:42:38 ◼   ► asked of even if it's just sort of speed bump announcements and all the rest of [TS]

01:42:43 ◼   ► the backline intriguing Lee not mentioned in Germans report is anything [TS]

01:42:47 ◼   ► about the displays including pixel sizes and including next pixel count of the [TS]

01:42:54 ◼   ► new iphones and it and whether they're going to get the wide color gamut and [TS]

01:42:59 ◼   ► the room temperature that the temperature since shifting but it was [TS]

01:43:04 ◼   ► alright what do they call that feature don't have an iphone ipad to town to [TS]

01:43:07 ◼   ► town which I kind of his wife even a government did mention i'm just gonna [TS]

01:43:13 ◼   ► guess that it does have true tone yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna guess that [TS]

01:43:18 ◼   ► yeah because here's why I'm guessing that hey it's their flagship device and [TS]

01:43:23 ◼   ► the best stuff usually comes to iphone first and if it doesn't come first it's [TS]

01:43:26 ◼   ► like off by six months which would be exactly right with the true town and [TS]

01:43:31 ◼   ► when it was introduced Schiller said once you get used to it you can't go [TS]

01:43:34 ◼   ► back [TS]

01:43:35 ◼   ► which makes me think that maybe Schiller already knew that he wouldn't have to [TS]

01:43:39 ◼   ► worry about it [TS]

01:43:40 ◼   ► missing it on his iphone yeah I i agree i think i think apple is committed just [TS]

01:43:45 ◼   ► just as it was obvious a few years ago that Apple was committed to bring your [TS]

01:43:48 ◼   ► retina to the entire product line [TS]

01:43:50 ◼   ► yeah i think apple is committed to bring the wide color gamut and the true tone [TS]

01:43:55 ◼   ► stuff [TS]

01:43:55 ◼   ► two certainly the iOS line and probably probably with the truth and stuff even [TS]

01:44:00 ◼   ► the mac line at some point because i think they've decided that this just [TS]

01:44:04 ◼   ► improve the user experience that if you're in a place with yellow we light [TS]

01:44:08 ◼   ► then you ought to match the white . on your display and you could turn it off [TS]

01:44:12 ◼   ► and people freak out sometimes I'm like oh you're messing with my colors like [TS]

01:44:14 ◼   ► what you can turn it off but a lot of people would prefer to have the the [TS]

01:44:19 ◼   ► computer screen color match the light of the room color and I think Apple things [TS]

01:44:23 ◼   ► I've got a winner with it's a kind of a crowd-pleasing feature and all it really [TS]

01:44:27 ◼   ► takes I mean they've got the new screen technology but they seem to have that [TS]

01:44:31 ◼   ► down now and you need a you need a light sensor that is more than just a you know [TS]

01:44:36 ◼   ► a 1-bit light sensor because you've got to detect the color temperature of the [TS]

01:44:39 ◼   ► room that's it you're done [TS]

01:44:40 ◼   ► that's it yeah and it's just another little chip in the pile of here's the [TS]

01:44:45 ◼   ► year-over-year improvements that exactly are in the iphone that would you know [TS]

01:44:50 ◼   ► everybody will not everybody but you know that the press at large will sigh [TS]

01:44:55 ◼   ► and say that's it [TS]

01:44:57 ◼   ► but if it's exactly the sort of feature that on a checklist of what's new in the [TS]

01:45:04 ◼   ► new iphones this year versus last year's models is easy to poo poo butt is just [TS]

01:45:09 ◼   ► like once you know one iteration after another of all of a sudden you know two [TS]

01:45:15 ◼   ► three four years down the road you've got a device that absolutely blows away [TS]

01:45:19 ◼   ► you know that the old iphone and if the average buying cycle on a phone is two [TS]

01:45:23 ◼   ► years and probably still is even though some people will upgrade every year and [TS]

01:45:27 ◼   ► other people will wait maybe to me now especially now that there's the [TS]

01:45:30 ◼   ► different financing options in my way two and a half three years right [TS]

01:45:33 ◼   ► if two is the sweet spot then you know Apple really only needs to make half the [TS]

01:45:36 ◼   ► case for an upgrade every year because the Indian you're not upgrading from the [TS]

01:45:40 ◼   ► success you're upgrading from the six and now you've got to add all the [TS]

01:45:43 ◼   ► success features and all of the whatever this new phone is features together when [TS]

01:45:47 ◼   ► you make the case to get by an upgrade [TS]

01:45:49 ◼   ► totally good alright let me take a break thank our third and final sponsor this [TS]

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01:46:01 ◼   ► here's the whole company euro is founded on the idea that Wi-Fi is broken and [TS]

01:46:06 ◼   ► their analogy is imagine if like the electricity in your house was better in [TS]

01:46:11 ◼   ► some spots than others like if you plug in your device your phone to charge it [TS]

01:46:15 ◼   ► in your living room it's great but if you plug in same plug put it in your [TS]

01:46:19 ◼   ► bedroom and it's like half the half the speed have to have the charge [TS]

01:46:22 ◼   ► electricity doesn't work like that but that's exactly what Wi-Fi this like in [TS]

01:46:27 ◼   ► the house and it's fundamental that Wi-Fi the signal of Wi-Fi does not go [TS]

01:46:32 ◼   ► through walls easily it's not meant to it goes through the air so if you live [TS]

01:46:37 ◼   ► in a house or a home or an apartment that has walls and floors like a lot of [TS]

01:46:43 ◼   ► us do your Wi-Fi signal degrades so ero is a system of little puck shape devices [TS]

01:46:51 ◼   ► sort of roughly the size of an apple TV except they're white they look like an [TS]

01:46:55 ◼   ► apple device they're very cute little around squares little pucks very small [TS]

01:46:59 ◼   ► very nice [TS]

01:47:00 ◼   ► you just get a couple of them and like their default is like a three pack and [TS]

01:47:05 ◼   ► you strategically place them around the house you only put one plug one into [TS]

01:47:08 ◼   ► your cable or whatever it is that you rate your internet comes from and then [TS]

01:47:13 ◼   ► you use their app and it's an iphone app is a really nice app and you configure [TS]

01:47:18 ◼   ► the network and then all of a sudden they do all the hard stuff you get like [TS]

01:47:21 ◼   ► effectively like a professional [TS]

01:47:27 ◼   ► I don't know what you call it a like if you had like IT experts networking [TS]

01:47:31 ◼   ► experts come into your house and set up like a Wi-Fi system with a bunch of [TS]

01:47:35 ◼   ► devices that's what you get with euro except you don't have to be a networking [TS]

01:47:38 ◼   ► expert you just plug them in from around the house on different floors rough day [TS]

01:47:42 ◼   ► their recommendation is one for every thousand square feet three packs a good [TS]

01:47:46 ◼   ► starting point and it use the app setup it's great it is so easy it is so easy I [TS]

01:47:54 ◼   ► 30 day moneyback guarantee you can't can't regret it [TS]

01:47:59 ◼   ► so if you set it up and it's not better you can always return it and if you want [TS]

01:48:03 ◼   ► to you can even return one of them like if you get the three pack or a four pack [TS]

01:48:08 ◼   ► and you end up for to saturate your house with the solid Wi-Fi [TS]

01:48:12 ◼   ► well then send the other one back that's great [TS]

01:48:14 ◼   ► it really is a terrific product if you don't believe me [TS]

01:48:19 ◼   ► search for the reviews Walt Mossberg wrote a great review of it [TS]

01:48:23 ◼   ► really that's the first place i heard of anything before they sponsored it it [TS]

01:48:26 ◼   ► really just works it it really is exactly what you think [TS]

01:48:30 ◼   ► totally simple Wi-Fi system that saturate your whole house with really [TS]

01:48:36 ◼   ► strong Wi-Fi signal so i can't say enough good things about him go to 0 . [TS]

01:48:44 ◼   ► calm and remember the code the talk show the talkshow use that code and you know [TS]

01:48:51 ◼   ► what you get with that you get free overnight shipping so go there go to ero [TS]

01:48:56 ◼   ► see it when you order use the code D talk show and if you're listening right [TS]

01:48:59 ◼   ► now do it right right after the podcast and you'll have them tomorrow they'll be [TS]

01:49:03 ◼   ► there like free overnight and that's for free so can't beat that [TS]

01:49:07 ◼   ► my thanks to them I have them installed here it is a great Wi-Fi network [TS]

01:49:10 ◼   ► couldn't be easier couldn't be a better signal 0 get from here to there great [TS]

01:49:15 ◼   ► did I I that Reed went on long but it's because I'm so enthusiastic about the [TS]

01:49:20 ◼   ► other guy i cannot i I really rolled my eyes when they sponsored at first [TS]

01:49:25 ◼   ► because i thought well i know they're gonna want me to stand by if i'm going [TS]

01:49:28 ◼   ► to talk about i gotta set it up and I thought it was really really thought I [TS]

01:49:32 ◼   ► don't want to spend an hour setting up a Wi-Fi thing in my house that I'm just [TS]

01:49:36 ◼   ► gonna have to disconnect thousand would have done it seemed like way more you [TS]

01:49:40 ◼   ► know it's being a podcast it's easy to get lazy and think that that's the hard [TS]

01:49:44 ◼   ► work but a it doesn't take an hour it's like it took like 15 minutes and the [TS]

01:49:49 ◼   ► bead it's it was like better than my old why files [TS]

01:49:53 ◼   ► yeah because I go yeah i think there's a great benefit and designing a Wi-Fi [TS]

01:49:57 ◼   ► system for multiple routers instead of just a single base station that most of [TS]

01:50:01 ◼   ► them or are designed for and it and it shows with that product [TS]

01:50:04 ◼   ► yeah and you know here in philly everybody you know everybody is [TS]

01:50:07 ◼   ► townhouse so it's you know we have lots of floors it's not you know I does [TS]

01:50:11 ◼   ► floors are part of a bigger problem in my house than the walls because what we [TS]

01:50:15 ◼   ► live right because your vertical yeah right and this in the cables on it's not [TS]

01:50:20 ◼   ► in the middle it's down below [TS]

01:50:21 ◼   ► yeah that's hard now it really is amazing I've said before it's a [TS]

01:50:27 ◼   ► no it s up the Reed continues to go on but I in our garage we never got good [TS]

01:50:31 ◼   ► Wi-Fi in the garage before it we had the euro and it was a problem in the garage [TS]

01:50:35 ◼   ► because it would often be like you'd want to you get in the car and I wanted [TS]

01:50:40 ◼   ► to . you know I wanted to open overcast and download you know finish downloading [TS]

01:50:43 ◼   ► podcasts but with like immediate was i get there is enough of a signal easily [TS]

01:50:48 ◼   ► enough of a signal that it wasn't going to LTE it was like a Wi-Fi but it was [TS]

01:50:52 ◼   ► like when you see two bars on a Wi-Fi that you means like you know you're on [TS]

01:50:56 ◼   ► like a 56k modem right like that would if you don't have all the bars on a [TS]

01:51:01 ◼   ► Wi-Fi you're screwed [TS]

01:51:03 ◼   ► yeah anyway 0i you want to talk about Rick teles Fast Company piece for their [TS]

01:51:11 ◼   ► guess there's a second piece to there's an interview with the soma st. John [TS]