00:00:00 ◼ ► I got really excited when i bought a you know mechanical keyboard and i'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/0">TS</a>]
00:00:02 ◼ ► loving it it's this weird korean i guess they call a 60-percent keyboard so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► got no function row but it's super small and it's very cliquey and i really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► it haha now I can get rid of this other keyboard and I realize I have to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/12">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► the other keyboard like within arm's reach because I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/16">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► what type what brand talk what brand keyboard is it it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/21">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► Leopold sending them on ebay really that you can direct they like used or no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/25">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► they're all they're all new that's just how they sell yeah they've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/31">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► different they got a different like mechanisms there are a couple different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/36">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► mechanisms of you know like the different key switches m- a like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/42">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► cherry blue but i'll send you link i got him i got it here Kansas City bored.com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/47">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► yeah yeah and it's the FCC 660m is the one that I've got and i love it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/54">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► it's so tiny and it's it's really enjoyable e clicky I got my tyas small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/59">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► keyboard too and it's not bad but it's it's way bigger like the whole thing got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/66">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► its got another row of keys and it's got the only problem with this one is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/71">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► got a map some of the keys because it's missing it's missing a few keys but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/75">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► but the arrow keys are like properly oriented as arrows and and it's nice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/79">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► cliquey and I started buying keycaps so you got blue cherry what wait what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/84">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► you mean keycaps today the wise company sell the official ones i know so i ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/88">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► up on ebay there are few places including um I ended up with that oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/93">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► what is it that the people that make the code keyboard they have they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/98">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► whole like they have a khaki cap should shop we can order custom keycaps because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/105">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► the 1i got came with like black key caps and therefore windows keys and i ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/113">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► up spending probably way too much money on some like orange custom keycaps um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/116">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► which is kind of cool i blame Joshua Topolsky he posted a couple of pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/122">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► of this model keyboard that he's built and I I said move that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/127">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► interesting in that was then i was i was kind of ruined but but it's terrible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/132">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► podcasting because the clicks clicks are very loud there's the one that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/136">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► picture i'm looking at of this keyboard on the left side at the bottom bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/142">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► left corner there's a ctrl key and then there's think there's like a keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/145">TS</a>]
00:02:31 ◼ ► key it's a picture that has a what is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/151">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► yeah I think that's the operating system key so that's like your your command key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/154">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► or your windows key it's like the wealthy and then use an endless logo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/159">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► then I'm apt yeah I mapped it all 22 Maxo actually flip the keys around so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/163">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► that's my option key so what is cherry blue feel like I this is the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/168">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► confuses me and I i have i have a collection of Apple extended tues and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/172">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► viewing i'm using my third one of my lifetime right now including one forgets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/177">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► who sent me the one that was that meant i still have 1i have one that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/184">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► literally strike sealed mint in there in the box which I'm saving you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/187">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► the 1 i'm using now was like truly near-mint when i started using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/192">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► I've tried other mechanical keyboards but i I've never found that I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/198">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► like and and it doesn't have the same feeling I get so confused by this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/202">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► different switches and it's it's very confusing to me honestly when I i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/207">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► shopping for this I went to Matthias is website and they have a they have audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/214">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► clips of a few different key a mechanical key switches that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/218">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► actually sort of listen to the sound of them being made like just typing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/223">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► listened to that for a while and and i thought that that the cherry blue sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/227">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► of sounded like I want like I wanted it and it's not all sound right it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/231">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► like it's like taste it's it's eat when you need something you you're tasting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/235">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► but you're also smelling it and those two things go together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/239">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► keyboards it's like that it's the feel and it's the sound and they go together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/241">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► and like i said i end up with amitayus one at which is supposed to be more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/246">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► the Apple extended I think and then and I got this one which is the cherry blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/251">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► and I like the cherry blue better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/256">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► I'm intimate is fine i like it it's a it's a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/259">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► of what I'm what might at least my sense memory of those old Apple keyboards was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/263">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► which is a little more kinda like clunk clunk clunk clunk and this is a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/267">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► more clicking a like high-pitched click click click click I got you I got you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/270">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► say I think I don't like that so yours is maybe a little bit more like the IBM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/275">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► style i know the IBM following spring is different that the buckling spring yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/278">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► a different that like rich single uses uses that style i believe and he's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/283">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► that's it you know sort of whatever mechanical keyboard you grew up with i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/287">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► think is the one you end up gravitating toward I wish there was a place i'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/291">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► there is i'm sure like keyboard people get together and have little key parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/296">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► where hey have a type on the different mechanisms and you can really get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/300">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► sense of it but I just sort of slowly slowly learning about about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/304">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► different different ones but I've been you know I've been happy with its been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/309">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► iight i didn't use a mechanical keyboard for a long time I was just sort of using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/311">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► its analogues of the of the macbook keyboard because I you know was using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/315">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► macbook is a primary system so i kind of wanted my my keyboards to all match and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/321">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► feel as much as possible but now that I'm sitting in imac for a lot of the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/325">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► I thought why don't I give it a try and I've been pretty happy with it is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/329">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► good that i'm working in a in a closed office with nobody in it because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/333">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► would drive everybody else crazy if ya hear me typing if if the chair if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/336">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► blue cherry switches are what I think that they're like I that more quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/341">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► than funky then that's actually to me it's more and that's maybe it's just my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/346">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► ears but it's a bit louder or more prominent yeah I i think it might I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/350">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► think it might be I depends on what frequencies you're tuned into that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/355">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► do enjoy going back to that due to having that tactile feedback as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/360">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► I loved the macbook keyboard style i totally get now that I've been back on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/363">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► mechanical keyboard for a while I totally get why people criticize them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/370">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► for feeling mushy I get what that means now so there's blue cherry and brown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/373">TS</a>]
00:06:17 ◼ ► cherry there's multiple different kind of care and rarest wishes yeah yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/377">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► know and I have no idea i'm not i'm not an expert i just kind of shot in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/382">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► dark and it's of them truly we're shopping on the Internet is the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/386">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► like this is the sort of thing where like in the old you want to buy ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/391">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► I don't and I am and I hate sending stuff back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/396">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► it's just like and it's irrational it makes no logical sense whatsoever that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/400">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► would rather just have a hundred and ten dollar keyboard that i put the closet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/405">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► never used but I just hate sending stuff back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/408">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► I don't like it but I just said a keyboard back and I didn't love it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/411">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► it was I tried that a mechanic people for the ipad the razor and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/416">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► and so I i did go through the rigmarole ascending that because i was a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/424">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► pricey thing but I hate doing it too and so you end up a lot of times not buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/427">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► things it's just like it's too complicated i don't know what to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/432">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► and so I'll just kind of give it up but I took a shot in the dark with this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/435">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► and I'm i'm pretty happy with it it is it the best keyboard for me maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/438">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► there may be some other one out there that's totally you know what i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/443">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► prefer to this but i haven't gone and and and bought five different key ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/447">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► yet anyway I i have also i have bought some i think at least two keyboards from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/453">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► matt is over the years and specifically build by Matthias is being for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/460">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► aficionados of the Apple extended keyboard too and i have to say that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/464">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► didn't even think it was close it it for whatever reason the Mateus ones don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/468">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► I'm so picky about these keyboards that I don't even like some apple extended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/474">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► keyboard tues even if you want it seemingly in good condition that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/479">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► variance between them that I i detect that it's some of them right idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/483">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► it's like a like the one that I had from college and I think I've told this story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/489">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► before I loved this keyboard i should see I is somebody once said that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/494">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► could fix it somebody knows how to solder could probably fix its the e key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/500">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► that broke which is probably because it's the 1i type the most right makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/503">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► enter my sophomore year of college I was playing a John Madden football in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/507">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► dorms and there was aa see it was so it would've been Mike Madden 92 and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/516">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► always the Houston Oilers with the who was the great quarterback that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/522">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► with a canon of an arm I mean like it was like a skin like that the stats for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/530">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► like up to 15 it was like 15 distance 1515 arm strength 15 accuracy and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/535">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► his name is Jeff we've always played with the Philadelphia Eagles the Buddy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/541">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► Ryan Eagles so is me with my pass happy long bombs and him with these like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/544">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► bone-crushing defensive guys and we had a great rivalry and one time we bet I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/551">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► think I bet 50 bucks cash up against his apple extended keyboard too because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/557">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► had a mac LLC which came with the real shit keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/562">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► I don't even know what it was small and mushy and he got the mac ac30 which came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/566">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► with the extended keyboard too so the deal was it was a winner-takes-all one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/571">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► game of madden football where if i want i got his keyboard and I'd give him my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/576">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► crappy one so we don't have a keyboard and i think i think i put up 50 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/580">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► cash which I knew was a good deal because they sold for like a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/583">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► eighty dollars to get one knew I and i won the game and that's where i got my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/586">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► keyboard and it was the best one I've ever used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/592">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► I still feel like I still take it out of the closet sometimes and type on it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/596">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► I still feel like you know this other than that iki that busted it still feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/599">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► better I should find somebody who can just fix that leaky for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/602">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► you should and there may be a keyboard out there that that is a closer match [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/606">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► for what you're looking for then the matter is I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/610">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► yeah w it's wasd keyboards is where i got my key caps and they sell I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/613">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► they make the code keyboard and they sell they sell mechanical keyboards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/617">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► it's like literally choose your size and choose which switch type but again you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/621">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► know you can't reach through the screen and feel how the the keys that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/626">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► audio files i think that is too but it's not quite the same because that's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/630">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► the sound is part of it and the feelings part of it the only the only reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/634">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► don't go I never do like a real deep dive and try to find a new keyboard is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/640">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► it once I try and I do have a couple I've spent probably pattern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/643">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► a couple hundred bucks on keyboards and curiosity and then I think to myself why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/647">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► I the apples my Apple extended keyboard to is the best keyboard I've ever had it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/652">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► works perfectly on my boy if it works that's the thing so i've got i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/656">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► know why i do it i don't know why I I don't know why I've got an extended here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/659">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► in my in my office and I've got a couple of the u.s. batb converters and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/663">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► know whether it's that the keyboard is bad or whether it's the converter is bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/668">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► that i have a problem where I or is it that i type too fast because I i find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/672">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► that it it drops key drops characters and maybe and maybe with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/677">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► extraordinary typing skills maybe I've every once in awhile i've i've noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/682">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► some weird things there is a thing I got panicked where there was one key like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/687">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► couple months ago I think it was like tea and at every it was like and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/693">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► where would I would be just be typing and every time like maybe once out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/699">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► every hundred times i typed a TI get like three T's ofc that that's it i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/702">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► seen that a and it's it is something you know combined with like my slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/709">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► worse vision and it's just like a couple of teams together like in the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/716">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► little it's like an extra 3 t's it's like it would just slip through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/721">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► Instagram and I got real panic because i thought this is definitely like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/724">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► me holding the key down too far and it's always like the letter T so I knew it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/730">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► must be like electrical but then it just went away solved itself pics yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/734">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► dad that's my concerns and I've seen it is that is that you're gonna end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/738">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► you're gonna end up without with a problem with the hardware or with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/742">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► mean presumably there are still thousands of USB atb adapters out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/747">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► that are sitting 14 of the jacket on ebay or something but that's my fear is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/752">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► that something's gonna break down either the keyboards or the or the adapters or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/757">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► something in the system that changes and that you're gonna then you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/761">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► need to find a replacement it's great i mean honestly how great is it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/765">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► you're using these keyboards that are 25 years old and and huge to the things i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/769">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► like that i like the smaller keyboard because I like to have my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/776">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► my-my like trackpad as close to the the keys as possible so i don't like have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/779">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► number pad or anything like that so I always preferred and then goes back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/786">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► having an SE I had the SEC which had the smaller keyboard it was still clicky but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/790">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► it wasn't fully extended it was like a little mini one with the power like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/793">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► horizontal power button at the top and I think that sort of set me down let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/797">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► down that path but you know I i don't know i think you may have to go on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/801">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► quest one day but as long as it's working for you that's thatthat's its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/805">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► kind of brilliant that you've got you know that old tech still I'm still on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/809">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► the first at my first-ever Griffin adb it was called the I'm eight and it was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/812">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► got to do with those hear it it's but bondi blue bondi boo whatever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/818">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► whenever right well did you know they had plastic everybody was making blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/822">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► plastic things in 1987 but it's funny because the only thing you'd ever want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/827">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► it's like it's funny that they made the adapter in the trendy 2001 Apple you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/831">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► know clear plastic colors when the only thing you could possibly want to plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/837">TS</a>]
00:14:00 ◼ ► into it was gonna be the classic page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/840">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► everything was your age yeah but how did he add coolness to an atb adapter here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/843">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► is clear plastic do you remember the Apple extended keyboard one the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/849">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► it was it was very similar to the extended keyboard too but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/853">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► not sure why it didn't go up and down it was like that up but it was also as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/858">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► little bit bigger I think even down the extended keyboard too and it had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/862">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► definite different feel to the keys was more i would say more clack II was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/867">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► louder and a little bit more clocky my all my early apple keyboard experiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/872">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► where my college newspaper so that would have been like 9d 1990 era and and so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/877">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► really would have been like what keyboards did we have there because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/882">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► had a good board attached to a to CX and we had a bunch of keyboards on the BSE [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/886">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► is that we used and then later we gotta to FX and so that's I probably had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/890">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► that had the extended the to FX would come with the extended keyboard too but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/896">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► i'll bet i bet that you're I bet you if you saw one you'd be like oh yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/900">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► remember that it was like just slightly different probably I you know other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/904">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► keyboard i loved I loved the the keyboard came with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/908">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► Apple 2 GS remember that keyboard i never had 1i had a friend who had it two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/912">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► Gs so I vaguely remember it but not that well if you have let's see if there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/919">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► DB that was the ggs had a BB that was the other computer that wasn't a mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/924">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► that had the adb plug on it was the two gs yet that that's actually a lot like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/929">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► that that early the sec keyboard that I had that big the wide power button at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/934">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► yeah well you had to restart positions for a lot it's true it's true yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/942">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► a was I don't know it's very easy to write your own program that completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/948">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► oh man there's a good keyboard and had like the weirdest keycaps I've ever seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/954">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► where they were sort of like at it's you just put a picture in the show notes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/959">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► swear to god yeah but if it's just the weirdest keycaps where they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/964">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► really they were like squares but then on top of the squares were like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/967">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► round Rex yeah right it's like duck two-tier keycaps i love keyboards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/971">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► you know what i'll tell you what i was thinking about this too is the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/978">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► when you were going to be on the show I was think about keyboards but I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/981">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► saying I know you're a baseball fan and sometimes when a baseball fan is on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/985">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► will try to have a conversation that will be of of interest even all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/988">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► stop don't skip don't skip yea even to all of you don't like baseball just sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/991">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► of for me a sort of melancholy week with alex rodriguez as getting dumped from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/996">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► the Yankees I gradually record on Thursday will be playing tonight in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► Boston and then tomorrow night he's playing in New York and then that then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► that's it he's going home except and combine it just is interesting to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► that you know he's 41 years old he's at a very contentious really up-and-down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1015">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► career with is his controversies over the performance enhancing drugs and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► Ichiro Suzuki is now playing for the Florida Marlins got his 3000 hit major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► league baseball and ichiro is to me a guy who if if you could just like shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► put some video clips together and and talk about it is that player that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► interesting into non-sports fans because he's like he's like he's seriously is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► he's he's like 'i you know is it is it's like a creature who was just born to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► play baseball but he doesn't play like anybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► well it's like the what was it uh the back in the 19th century there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► player named wee Willy Keeler and I believe he was the one who famously said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:52 ◼ ► the idea is that like they're like how are you such a great hitter and he says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1072">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► well I hit the ball where the other where the fields aren't and that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► like it's so simple and yet when you look at zero and I think Tony Gwynn was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► kind of like this to it is there in a century of baseball players you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► couple of people who is like somehow this guy can use that stick to put that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► ball that's coming at him at a hundred miles an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► wherever he wants it and that's just unbelievable i read it i was just read a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► story the other day was actually in response to somehow like from one link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► to another and Twitter conversation with somebody you know discussion was started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► with Ichiro and it led to Tony Gwynn and just talking about like the best hitters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► of the last 20 years like best hitters of love like you're my adult life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► there's the power guys like I think but not a number one I think bond is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► best hitter we've ever seen and I yeah I can't I don't really got into any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► discussion otherwise by take the steroids out of right and he probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► yeah well maybe but even with may need the numbers are there and they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► astounding I mean that the one year he had 200 and some intentional walks so an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► honest game we have a hundred sixty-two games hehe drew over and hit one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► intentional walk a game it's not and has never been anything like that he watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► every one of those games to it was a daily occurrence they walked in with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► bases loaded one time that's true story true story rather than let Barry Bonds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► hit with the bases loaded a team actually chose to walk him on purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► and get up around and they want to game because of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:20 ◼ ► nah you know good call so Alex Rodriguez right now as it stands as 696 home runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1160">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► career home runs fourth of all time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► truly a great home run hitter I mean fourth of all time in the history of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► bonds had more intentional walks in that one season than Alex Rodriguez had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► yep it's anyway bonds great when it was amazing and i read this my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► excuse me is absolutely my favorite baseball player ever Tony Gwynn used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► call it the 5.5 whole meaning it was between the these numbers for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► players in between the shortstop who is 6 and the third baseman who's five on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► the scorecard he just tried to hit the ball between the shortstop and third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► base and could do it with remarkable accuracy but think i read was thick like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► when he started slowing down a little bit his average dropped and for him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► dropping men he got close to 300 I the end of difference was that he wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► beating out the ones that the shortstop would backhand anymore and I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► conversation with Ted Williams and Ted Williams told him to start he said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► got it you need to pull the ball more and it's just that one conversation with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► Ted Williams and all of a sudden Quinn purpose we started trying to pull the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► ball little more in is it that was when he that was the led to the seasons where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► yeah I mean it's so simple right like just hit the other to the other part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► the field like all right i'll do that then because like it's a row [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► Quinn could seemingly put the ball where he wanted it so what did you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► your number one you have to watch him if you don't even like baseball just go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► youtube and google Ichiro hitting he starts running before he hits the ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► yeah he's a left-handed batter and when he sees the ball he his batting stance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► is such that he's running to first base but as he makes contact with the ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► with nobody has ever done nobody would ever teach if you you know saw a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► kid doing it and you're coaching Little League immediately said oh no can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► that you're never gonna hit the ball the other thing is that he treats his bats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► as though their samurai swords and this is where i'm going with the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► where it's he he comes in and spends like an hour a day like examining his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► bats with like-for-like with his eyes like an inch away and rubs over every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► kid is a collection of many carries in like a custom-made like we call it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► humidor when you put scars in it's like a humidor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► yeah it's it's a moisture-proof carrying case that he carries himself by hand and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► doesn't hand over to like the team equipment people and it and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► know this and you realize it's about him and then you watch him on TV you realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► that his bats are all in like mint condition like most of the bats are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► gunked up with pine tar and and nicked and have marks from where they hit balls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► Ichiro's bats all look like they're in mint condition now they're they're his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► professional tool and he treats them as such and when you see him use them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► can see it's like an extension of his body its he is it surgical precision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► the other thing I read about each other is it every year or I think it's every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► year but at least several times he has visited the hall of fame in cooperstown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► in the offseason and I you know orchestrates a behind-the-scenes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► know tour and he takes out the bats you get some of the bat he has like a list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► of hitters whose bats he wants to examine and yeah and he you know I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► pictures of babies got the white gloves on you no good because these are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► historic artifacts and he studies the bats of great hitters and and weighs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1375">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► them and unlike examines them in fine detail it's it's just amazing and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► to me that to me is like what justifies me caring so much about my keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► yeah i think it's your it's your professional tool right and how you it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► yeah and that's the bottom line and so writers do writers talk about things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► like like keyboards and and you know notebooks and write pens and things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► that yeah they do but but you have to understand it is it is actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► professional tool it's like how our livelihood happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► yep it's worth it alright let me take a break from all this great keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► baseball discussion i was trying to keep us off baseball by talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► I and tell you about our first sponsor this is a great company's global delight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► now we all use headphones and we're going to talk a little bit more later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► and show about headphones to listen to music our iphones and ipads but matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► the audio often feels like it lacks depth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► globalite there the company behind the mac app boom that it's like an audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► enhancer for Mac it's a great app actually knows that actually different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► brings about they were sponsoring the show a couple weeks ago so these are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► same guys behind the mac app boom they have an iOS app that solves this issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► it's called boom for iOS now iOS you can't have like a system-wide extension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► that enhances audio across-the-board it doesn't work like that is so boom on iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► is a music player app and no matter which headphones you use it turns the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► music you listen to into an amazing 3d surround sound and it's it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► amplifier a you know like a sound filter music player doesn't stop there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► you can change the equalizers you can adjust the base and the intensity of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► audio with fine control you can be real picky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► this is for people who really care about what this stuff sounds like in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► headphones boom plays it's magic with the downloaded music from your iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► library so it's not like you have to like you know do any kind of magic stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► or or pain in the butt stuff to to import your music into it just place the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► system stuff the system stuff in your iTunes library and it's very very simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► ah here's in the best part is free to free download so if you don't you you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► skeptical you don't know what it's going to sound like go download it get it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► the App Store try it out and then it's an in-app purchase to unlock everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► if you if you like the way it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► hope your browser if you want to see their website its boom for iOS . com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► so just bail boom then fo r iOS dot-com and you'll be taken to the boom app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► directly and then you can hit the download button all you need to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► then just by the in-app purchase if you like it and and you'll enjoy it it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► great app these guys do a great job even though their specialty is obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► audio they do a phenomenal job with the user interface stuff that stuff looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► exquisite always very very very impressive UI design and here's the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► we've got a special offer for talks to listeners they got a sale running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► through the 21st of august i think it's a normally 499 for the in-app purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► yes 499 right now you'll buy it right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► for august twenty-first you get it for a buck 99 so that's two box and you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► this great app so go download boom for iOS and try it out and buy it before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► august twenty-first you'll save save a couple bucks I we get there is a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► news I don't be probably yes probably pretty stupid to waste so much time on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► keyboards but i think i do love them you chapter markers in your podcast of solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► everything I chap I don't yet you know i should mention this that I did you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► III because the ATP does it and you guys do to you guys do have chapter so you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► in there now I'm not on everyone but on some of them yeah I so for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► wants them on this show we are looking into it hits its there's a tooling issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► where it's actually there is no good tool for this yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► yeah the friend of the show Mark Harmon is actually working on such a tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► I'm aware of that yep and there will be chapters on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► eventually all right so the news what you want to talk about first I guess we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► yeah i mean so mark urman right he's he's piece back he's a bloomberg we saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► he had a report like a month ago but he's he dropped a few reports this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► that are you know his sources are so good especially in the hardware side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► that that the it feels like confirmation to me and I know it's not it's justin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► it's another story with anonymous sources saying this is what Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► going to do but it feels like confirmation now the government said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► know given the nod and been like yeah this is what's gonna happen with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► with the iphone and with the with the the new macbook pro it's like having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► four-run lead in the bottom of the ninth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► you're probably going yeah yeah and I mean I feel like and it's funny because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► now that he's a bloomberg in a bloomberg I i know some people have who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► workers or do work at Bloomberg and Bloomberg is a very their little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► idiosyncratic and what they do in terms of like their style guide and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► their their copy desk and things like that but they're sticklers and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► see it in increments reports that some of the phrasing is kind of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► than maybe he did a 9to5 mac where they probably just you know made sure that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► don't I don't want to impugn and five Mac but you know most online stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► including stuff i do you give it a read and then you put it up you don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► copy desk with who are sticklers and and so it's sort of been interesting to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► how how they change some of his phrases where they make make it very specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► about like what he knows and what he doesn't know and what the details are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► but I and so it ends up being a 95 and fuzzy at 9to5 mac i would say it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► always you know mention and he never he always wrote in a sort of reporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► refashion even a nine-to-five network not as opposed to like a colonist stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► joanna stern and I were talking about that the last episode of this show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► I I I could do it i guess but it would feel it would feel like drudgery to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► like I've always wanted to be a columnist and right in my own voice so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► government always wrote in a reporter's voice but he would just be the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► difference i would say is that when he had a scoop he would put the according [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► to this you know sources familiar with it once in the first paragraph and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► the rest of the story would be here's what i've found out where the bigger the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► biggest stylistic difference with Bloomberg with him at Bloomberg is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► the according to the people threat and able there's an awful lot it just keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► coming back and back that it this is according to people what people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► told him and I personally you and I everywhere engaged in a thread on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► twitter about this I actually like this better I'd I really do and it maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► a little inside baseball you know like that you and I think about these the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► copy desks and stuff like that but I like it that it emphasizes that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► not a known fact and that government isn't saying that he's seen this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► himself which would you know alleviate the need to source it it's from sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► who said that they know this and I think that's worth emphasizing yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► and-and-and them you know being sticklers that that's what they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► do is say we've got information but we haven't confirmed ourselves from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► source that we trust and so we're going to say it's an anonymous source and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► throughout the story every time we cite something weird if we can't say it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► fact because we saw it with our own eyes essentially we have to say we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► that to whoever got it and so as a result you you get the things about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► you know there won't be a headphone jack the sources set right for people they I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► think that people the people said right that's interesting too because it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► a way of corroborating that that that piece of information came from multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► exactly and that's good that's clarity right and it may feel weird to read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► that way because there it is definitely being done with with great care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► but as a user of that information it's really good to have clarity about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► you know what mark Gurman is being told by his sources and what he may be is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► extrapolating from that and i like i like having that because then then we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► can leave to our judgment but it also eliminates to just the confusion of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► what he's really saying here is he does he know that or is he supposing that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► and the way it's the bloomberg process seems to have taken his stuff is it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► little bit clearer about the stuff that he he has been told by his sources like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► sort of laying it out like this is what we know from from sources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► the other thing that you and i know and i $FULLPHONENUM i think it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► true for you you too i definitely think so i think that the whole reason that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► you and I have eked out you know these positions we have is that we attract we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► don't attract the most readers but we attract discerning readers write like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► just no way that the readership of your stuff in my stuff combined amount to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► hill of beans from The Huffington Post perspective right if we're counting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► yeah but we attract discerning readers and so a lot of times when i go off on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► track like this about just how meaningful it is when a bloomberg or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► Wall Street Journal says you know print out a rumor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► sometimes I get a lot of pushback from readers who are skeptical readers which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► is good and I'm not surprised that i have readers who are like yeah you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► I don't believe it just because it's in the wall street journal and that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► and I I think everybody should read all the everything they read my stuff your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► stuff especially news reports with that you know skeptical moment where did this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► information come from i think being a critical reader of journalism is is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► essential skill should be taught emphasized in schools i think in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► so I'm not saying it's true but you do you know inside baseball it's like II [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► you know that like a publication like Bloomberg or the wall street journal or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► the New York Times knows that when something like this gets reported what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► almost everybody else says is Bloomberg says the big iphone is going to have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► cameras and they don't go into that nobody else reports that it's mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► Gurman who says this one reporter like if it doesn't turn out to be true it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► it's mostly on Bloomberg in the antlers are just a huge company it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► financial information i mean the is reporting about that one of the largest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► if not the largest public company in the world getting information wrong about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► their biggest product right that's that would be colossal right and so now they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► want to they want to be careful with it but it also says something that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► when he reports the stuff they are standing behind and as observers of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► government has done over the years I i we can see why because his forces are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► his forces are good he always has been careful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► I think he's actually a great fit for Bloomberg because of all of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► he's not a super speculative guy he's somebody with good sources who lays out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► what sources say it is funny it's funny to me I heard I i found out that he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► going to bloomberg back in march or whatever it was that Apple held an event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► in California what was that March like it was march like yeah mid-march and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► wasn't it seemed like it wasn't like an open secret but there are a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► other people in the the you know cover apple press game who knew that he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► going to go to Bloomberg and it was funny to me that it never never actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► was published like the guy who's the guy who's who's known for spoiling apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► secrets his own secret everybody was just like it just seemed like uncool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► because it seems like everybody seemed to will not want to publish it or tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► it or anything just because it just seemed like well it's you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► yeah exactly i don't like the courtesy kinda happy for him to kill ya good work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► he's really young he was in college you know hehe has done some incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2095">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► things and and now he's got a really high profile job at a major source of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► news and business information so it's like it yeah we come didn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► record for him he's yep he's d does good work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► it's a great i think it's a really good fit because Bloomberg in particular in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► my opinion really emphasizes scoops they they really pride themselves on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► breaking things like this being first while simultaneously being completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► accurate right as opposed to what you know they won't cross that line of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► first by taking a chance that it's not true but they really want to be first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► and it's a feather in their cap as a provider of business intelligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► because I mean that the number one way Bloomberg makes money as far as i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► tell and what I've heard is it's like the terminal they have these terminals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► there in the offices of people in the financial sector they are giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► real-time business information and news and from when you view Bloomberg through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► that lens where they're not like a white wire service or something they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► financial information provider and news is one of the things that they do when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► you think of him that way it sort of sort of makes sense yeah that's where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► the corner now that's exactly where the culture of being first and having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► scoop comes from is the culture from the terminals and as you want to get ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► as an investor you want that extra edge right I really i worked at a firm on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► Philadelphia stock exchange was in college I had as an internship doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► like ITC I wasn't doing investing stuff that was you know on the computer team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► but they had the you know the traders had the bloomberg boxes of course so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► got to see them they're interesting fascinating devices for the mid mid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► nineties yeah and what the funny thing and there's a I'm and they were fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► that's the one thing is that well that's that's the whole that's the whole story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► there's a story somewhere i'm trying to find it that the problem of Bloomberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► terminal is so it is they called the terminal it looks like a Doss interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► it's got these weird keyboard shortcuts like something like word star or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► something it's that kind of thing right is strange strange thing but the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► is the people who know how to use the Bloomberg terminal they can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► everything fast with a couple of keystrokes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► this incredible thing so it's a huge ux problem because it's impenetrable on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► level but once you know it you can have complete control over it and their love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► to change it because they're they're uh they're loyal loyal customers that want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► it want to know how to use it so it's that they end up in this weird place was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► like can we improve this product or do we need to leave it looking like a das [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► well and there's never a day for it for the traders there's never like a slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► day you know so there's never a day where well alright will you no will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► install this new version that I don't know how to use and i'll be lost all day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► you know trying to figure out no yeah it's they can't it can't ever do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► right so it's better better to just let your your interns and your new hires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► read the manual and learn how to do it and get up to speed and just leave it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► the way it is and it's yeah it's fascinating baby day and there that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► the whole thing they're they're not afraid that knowing people who worked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► Bloomberg they are not afraid to be different from the crowd like today they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► have different terminology for stuff they don't call the laptops that their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► journalists get aren't called laptops now my trap they're called like travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► units are travelers or something like it's just did they got their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► terminology they got their own rules it goes down it's just it's they are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► are different and I think that maybe comes from mike bloomberg that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► he was about you know he's a maverick he's not afraid to to say let's do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► things kind of differently and it also comes from the fact that they are not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► traditional you know add funded journalism outfit their this their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► yeah so governments to articles recent articles first was the one about the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► so its seemingly confirmed that are definitely said that the the plus-size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► one will have the two the two camera system brand seem to confirm that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► 4.71 want but doesn't quite say that and this is one of those things where that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► the sourcing is kind of interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► he's gonna read the paragraph the dual dual system sharpened photos taken in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► low-light environments the person said the combination of the merged photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► from the two camera sensors also allows users to zoom while retaining more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► clarity the person added the smaller version of the new phones will not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► include new lenses KGI Securities analyst ming-chi kuo said earlier this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► year now that to that last bit is fascinating to me because seemingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► Germans own sources didn't didn't or couldn't say whether the smaller phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► has the two cameras he's only referring to a report from ming-chi kuo it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► or may not because later they talk about the headphone jack being removed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► they may reference maco takara as you have the original report so I i'm not i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► couldn't read this and say whether they're you know whether he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► actually know that for sure because it sounds like he actually just said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► it's not i think it's more that he may be doing in a bloomberg in kind of way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► the hat tip yeah of-of who originally reported this because he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► originally yeah I think that's going to equal i think--not the matakara but I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► well from a credit cards for sure that way that I wonder if maybe that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► ming-chi kuo attribution this is that which is just look you know this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► got it first we should tip our cap to them uh confirms no headphones and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► other what you know another this is new there's not one bit of it that is new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► but it's confirmation of a whole bunch of these rumors that are floating about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► the other thing that the home button now won't physically click it will be tapped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2453">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► doors for stores touch like like the track pads like you know the modern Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► which is interesting and I think I wonder you know there's often a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► German story doesn't mention waterproofing at all but one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► things that has been floated about is that whether Apple will bill it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► waterproof or not the one of the design features of these new iphone since that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► they will be even further water-resistant the previous ones ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► and I can only imagine that a force touch home button would help in some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► in terms of waterproofing simply because it seems like every button that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► moves is a is a place where moisture could get through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► yeah it's also going to reduce repair incidences because you know even if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► not that common home buttons malfunction because I mean it's a moving part it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► to go up and down and so you take that out of the equation and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► actually moving anymore you just feel like it's moving when you when you press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► on it i can see assuming they do it right although you know the 3d touch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► the for such in the trackpad is they did a good job with that so assuming they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► it right so that you really do get that that that sense of of action that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► be the worst thing in the world if you're like why is my phone locked up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► and you try to press the home button and nothing happens like that what do I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► now so they gotta get it right but there are a lot of benefits to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► simplifying the shape of the product basically I just one of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► that might be like keyboards where it some people might really like it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► because it's will feel different and i love the new trackpads III I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► know maybe you do too i have a yeah I do have a review unit of macbook pro that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► what's the new operators the Arabs yeah that one right behind me right and so my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► personal macbook pro has is older it's it's you know forget i think that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► be two years old at this point are close to two years old doesn't have it i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► it it's a 13-inch macbook pro it's probably now my favorite macbook that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► I've around I really the more i use that I really it appreciate out good at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► the one thing I really liked better about the review unit one is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► trackpad i really like the force touch trackpad and I think the main reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► is that i tend to click a lot at the top of the trackpad yeah and the mechana [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► that the lever that is the moving trackpad it the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► chrome is at the top so it's actually a lot easier to click towards the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► than it is at the top on and i love that on the force touch one it's just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► clicky everywhere on the whole thing I know other people don't like it i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► Marco Arment does not like the force touch trackpad so maybe the home button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► yeah it could be the market doesn't like I do like I actually use the desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► yeah too and I i really like it amazon did this with the kindle which one was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► voyage I think they put like it's in now with paige Turner buttons which they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► taken off of an earlier model but it wasn't really a button it was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► haptic thing where you squeeze this thing on the side and it gave a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► vibration and yeah it didn't it didn't work there although that was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► cheaply done and i expect apple to do a better job than that but they ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► with their the oasis that they have now it's just back to being a physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► button because that was just a better experience so we can be done badly but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► would imagine given the force touch trackpad that and I think that's why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► reference is being made to it is that whoever describe this to mark Gurman is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► like no no it's gonna be like the force touch trackpad you're not gonna even be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► able to believe that it doesn't move which that sounds good to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► yeah it's funny to me because i thought one of my complaints for years with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► iphones was that the home buttons were not good enough and maybe i just got bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► phones i don't know but like in the 3g 3gs and maybe even like the iphone four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► areas like there was like a certain it squishiness to it that I didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► year after year and I I i think i even wrote about it on during fireball that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► on a device where there's really just one main button that button she should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► feel really good now if you're going to minimize buttons the buttons that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► have left have to be really good because they're really going to stand out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► it's the sort of thing that Apple should pride itself on doing well and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► that they've now they've got a great that the cleanness of the the touch ID [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► era home buttons to me is terrific to me it feels like one of the best buttons in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► yeah it's good there are there are i mean there are lots of speculations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► about how Apple because it's apple right Apple wants to eventually have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► no ports that's sort of a platonic ideal of a device and this then is possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► that they would get rid of the home button entirely at some point release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► the physical home button even if there's a way to do that to a gesture and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► seems like a step in that direction which is ok now we've got it so that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► can read your fingerprint and you can press on it in order to get what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► where you want to go but there's actually nothing moving and that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► step one and maybe step two is that they put you know they put that on up you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► know the bottom center of the screen or something and it started seeking that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► out whatever a future iphone design might be I don't know but that they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► seem like it's it's it's a very Apple step to make to eliminate a moving part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► and so I what are we left with the focus on here that the fact that the 4.7 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► phone apparently won't have dual cameras and it's yeah you know the rumor chain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► has has been pretty consistent on that regard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► especially if you believe the supply chain links of the backs of these phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► there's never been one a credible one that showed two cameras the two camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► oval on the foreign 4.7 inch iphone and there's usually one on the 5.5 inch I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► a little bummed about that because I prefer the 4.7 by far in terms of hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► feel and in fact as you know anybody read by my iphone SE review if anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► i'm fat mixed feelings about the 4.7 inch versus the the iphone SE size 4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► yeah I I've been thinking about this i think it's probably not sure I think 4.7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► is probably the mainstream phone and will remain so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► but I did have that moment where I thought with the iphone SE doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► I think we better Apple even admitted way better than apple expected and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► we're talking about differentiating the iphone plus at the high end with a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► better camera which in some ways is taking advantage of the fact that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► just got more room there and it's and it's more expensive so they can pack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► stuff in there i do have those moments where I think why would you get the 4.7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► inch iphone like if you really care about photography get the big iphone if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► you're somebody who uses your phone all the time and once the biggest screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► possible get the big iphone and if you if you care about size and that's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► priority or if you care about price the iphone SE [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► he's right there and it's just again it's probably not realistic but I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► like it's interesting that Apple is making the edge phones kind of really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► appealing in the almost like the the simplicity of the one and the power and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2875">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► complexity the other and then what's the 4.7 inch iphone well it's just your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► average iphone i guess yeah in the middle there are other rumors that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► will be three iphones new iPhones never have you say I've using this there will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► be a pro and the plus yeah so it would be like I do it forget i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► they're going to call it iphone 7 but maybe they will but let's just say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► they do because i don't and let's note mark Gurman story at no point calls that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► the iphone 7 right at 10 . ah well hold that thought because there's that key to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► understanding this his sources or one of the kids yes indeed Rams um so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► just say they call it the seven thatthat's this other room would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► they would be the iphone 74 points 7 inches the iphone 7 plus which would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► 5.5 inches and still have the same camera probably with like the image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► stabilization but the single-camera circle on the back and then the iphone 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2935">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► pro which would have the dual camera system and presumably like maybe like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► I'd I and part of that rumor is based on like supply chain links that show some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► of these plates that look there the bigger size but they only have one hole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► for the camera right and who knows that they're fake I don't know some of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► it's like that that when those pictures come out they go so super viral that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► there's you know some of them have been faked over the years I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► the motivation is for people making these fake ones but it's crazy I that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► this stuff that doesn't make any product marketing sense to me and i agree and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► and we've just defined right we got was an ipad pro right I feel like they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► do an iphone pro but to have a pro and a plus and the regular iphone and the SE C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► and have the pro in a plus B essentially the same except one of them has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► like one esoteric difference it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► too complicated and which is not to say that I'm not intrigued by the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► like an iphone pro that is the two cameras and maybe support for the pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► that that's interesting that's an interesting idea of our branding that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► product that way but to have that and then I ideals more likely to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► it's just you know what we're seeing is the is is the 6s plus Jenna again maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► maybe slightly altered but just the 6s plus + and that's a question is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► what if they keep traditionally apple has kept the previous year's phones in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► the lineup so you know what happens there too i I don't know it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► unlikely though that they would have two identical phones except for like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► yeah and it's just and it it makes it harder like with by calling them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► iphone 6 and iphone six-plus and then the 6s and 6s plus they can just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► they can say shot with iphone 6 and it right in it all of the new phones aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► carried with that whether you have the plus or not the plus is just refers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► the size even though the camera was technically slightly better because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► had optical image stabilization they didn't need to say that they could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► say they could run ads and billboards that just say iphone 6 and iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► success and it covers both whereas if they do this they do it doesn't they'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► have to run out separate campaigns and then that would it would peg the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► that are going to sell in greater quantities the lower price ones that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► the regular and the plus it would peg them as being understand the lower-tier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► from day one which is it just I don't know something about that doesn't sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► I guess it's possible like I wouldn't be shocked if that's how it turns out but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► government story makes it seem my dishes 24.7 5.5 and the 55 has a better camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► yeah as these double you know dual lens system which is cool idea i mean i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► I i think the place where smartphones could still get better right I'm back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► the old days it's like they could get better everywhere it's like everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► could be better but now the place like number one place where I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► smartphone could get better and in terms of priority has to be the cameras the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► cameras could get so much better because we we know what good cameras look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► and although the cameras and smartphones are amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► to what they used to be they they could still be so much better so I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► idea that Apple is is going down that path and seeing what if we put two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► lenses on and you software and put them together and and and they should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► doing that that that's absolutely the right thing for them to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► yeah and I don't even think governments description of it is it hit that his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► description is about that its first minutes and sharpening photos taken in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► low-light environments I mean that could help with that but the bigger the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► biggest difference of the two lens system isn't really light sensitivity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► that's a problem that's really hard to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► just because of the physics of optics with that the size of these devices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► healthy a small the sensors are compared to like a full-size or even even like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► the Four Thirds system cameras or something you know the ones with small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► sensors like a aps-c like in a camera camera those small sensors are so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► bigger than the sensors that you can fit in a phone like it's it's absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► remarkable how good the photos you can get off these devices are with how tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► the sensors are but that's really a limiting factor for light sensitivity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► the two lens system is really about having two lenses of different focal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► distances so you've got the one that's wide angle like the one we already we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► always had on her phone and then to have a second one that has a longer focal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► length like you know I don't know what it would be the equivalent and 35 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► millimeter terms but you know 50 or 80 85 or something so that when you zoom it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► optically instead of you trying to shoot something far away and get it closer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► you know Phillip more the frame the optics of that are way better if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► actually have if you're doing it with a real longer lens instead of with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► know just dropping the wide wide lens picture and and there's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► otter be ways that might be ways to do 3d stuff you know slightly 3d stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► know for the live pictures and stuff like that it could be all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► really cool optical stuff with this so i better get bigger bigger pockets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► yeah i know that's that that's my thought too as I i I've always rejected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► that phone because it's a large but i would be if anything would tempt me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► get a larger phone it would be something like that like a much better camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► would tempt me to to just swallow my pride and expand my pockets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► get the get the big phone then the second factor for me in a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► like the hand that size in the pockets in the hand I'm never gonna like but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► second factor for me personally is that I'm like oh my i'm rushing towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► needing reading glasses when i wear my contact lenses like i mentioned this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► the show before but long story short when i wear my contacts i need reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► glasses to read in low-light environments now I can't focus at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► reading length when I have my contacts and when I'm wearing my glasses I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► because the and I just talked to my doctor because when you wear glasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► they're further from the the lens of my I wears contacts literally there right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► there and so I'm it's at a distance I see exactly the same you know add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► clarity with glasses on contacts but at a close distance when you start getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► presbyopia in your forties it really it makes a big difference whether you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► contacts are not so it but really when I have my glasses on what I like to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► with what I read is take them off and I'm because I'm nearsighted I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► without any correction at all i can read that's when i read the best I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► read tons and tons on my phone lately in the morning before I put my contacts in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► just with just because it's actually the the way I see clearest is with no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► correction at all with my phone right in front of my face but I wear contacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► most of the time but having the bigger phone and being able to make the text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► bigger would actually would actually be optically good for me now my my wife has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► a 6s and uses it in the mode where it's blown up to essentially it's pretending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► yeah because she's because she's got for the first time because he's always had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► perfect vision but she's in her forties now internationals reading glasses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► so she's just that's been one of her concessions to be able to use her phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► without having to switch to reading glasses is is using that extra screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► space just to make everything bigger as you know what I've been doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► I i haven't given into that zoom mode but I do go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► the text size oh yeah and it is it is made it makes me feel good about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► fact that I've been promoting accessibility features long before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► needed them but now i really do I am and my vision problems I always want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► this it if anything it makes me appreciate how good my vision still is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► you know because it's like having a scare with you know losing the all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► vision of my eye when I had the retinal detachment and it really makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► appreciate just how bad some people's vision really is people who are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► on some scale legally blind but you know there's some people who are legally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► blonde can still see that something but the the accessibility features in iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► it's like it's so great that makes me in and now i'm actually somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► well that's how my wife uses her Apple watch because you know you can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► do the large screen mode on the Apple watch how she has used the accessibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► feature to increase the text size and it makes her Apple watch usable otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► it's like it's great that I have this watch on but if I have to put my glasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► yep anything on the screen it's pointless so she uses the the type size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► control i do it is a great great grand feature so I don't know I guess I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► gonna have a big phone i don't know i don't know what I will have to see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► what exactly The Devil's in the details and this comes back to what you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► saying about where Mark government sources are is is a lot of times with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► these apple products i always say this i mean it's just it's so true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► you gotta know where the rumors are coming from and what else and what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► we know the product but we don't know the story and write and as the marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► and in some ways it's the software like we know that there are two cameras and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► we can speculate on what those cameras do but Apple will probably have a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► particular story about how those cameras work together when one camera gets used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► when the other gets used do they get merged together how does that work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► their UI to flip between them or change the focus or things like that and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► we we really don't know right what's the scenario where this is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► like I said I scenario i can think of that in i'm sure you know you run into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► the same thing too is parent in the auditorium and the kids on stage now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► where the phone the phones is a terrible camera for that situation because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► really want a picture of your kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► but it's there's no way that optical zoom in a dimly lit auditorium . optical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► zoom digital zoom yeah the work of a wide-angle a walk angle lens with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► tiny little sensor it's you might as well not even do I always wondered when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► I see these parents holding your phone's up for the entire thing i really want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► play that louis ck rant of of hey just be here you know I mean Jambi hear from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► because it's not just that you'd be better off just being there watching it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► that the actual image you're getting from that camera from a cellphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► halfway back in an auditorium is going to be useless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► you're going to make out your kids face but a longer lens might it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► yeah i was we were coming back from a long weekend and we were driving we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► in southern oregon and so we're driving back driving south and you go past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► understand five to go past mount shasta which is huge volcano there's a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► it's like two miles above the the rest of the landscape around it and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► middle of summer within 90 degrees outside their snow and glaciers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► stuff on the top of it and it's spectacular you driving on the freeway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► there's this huge volcano right in front of you and I get on my iphone to take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► picture of it and I open it up and look and it's just like it's like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► even there because it's that wide angle shot is that both sides the windshield [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:49 ◼ ► it's got the road all that and I zoomed in and I got I got an okay shot with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3589">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► digital zoom but those shots are no good because they are zoomed in so far that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3593">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► is now lost in all the little pixelation that happens when it is when I it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► it it will make for it and I presume it'll be killer who does it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► that's chillers gigue these yrs this is usually the he's the guy who does the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► new iphone in September right and i happen to know that you know shoulder is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► a truly f-4e you know real fuck photography enthusiasts he really knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► his shit about cameras and he really cares but it's such a hard thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► present when you're saying how awesome this camera is and this other phone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► we also want you to be excited about doesn't have it I can't do it but I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► it's a perfect scenario though like you want to get the mountaintop you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► that is exactly the sort of thing where a second lens that is longer will make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► dramatic difference but when they show you the dramatic difference it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► to be in comparison to what you get with the other new iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► I think we're just gonna have to say like you know we could do this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► it's a much larger phone then and any that they're gonna have to explain it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► that way but I think the only way we could do this is because the iphone 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► plus they're seven plus or whatever it is and is this much bigger and and so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► can have we have the room to do this but i'm looking forward to that demo because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► I imagine that's going to be the you and our demo of the whole thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► they're gonna have some first they're gonna have hired spectacularly good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► photographers to take all the sample images and then they're going to they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► going to be perfect ones to show off when you flip a switch or you slide your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► you go from A to B and everybody goes low and you can see what it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► be it's going to be a winner that demo yeah i totally think so before we leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► iphone wide-eyed hinted few minutes ago that not knowing the product names is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► clue to government sources like the product names in my in my experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► there are that is like need-to-know basis with an album and i think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► number of people even like who work in product marketing know the name of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► new iphone is probably pretty small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► yeah names prices yep and also means they're all so changeable right hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3716">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► heart has been locked for for ages now the software is basically locked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► although idea they will have little bit but it's stuff that they've had to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► working on for months and months and months names unless ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► in that day and it's still the name is iphone right they could literally ship a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► box just as iphone on it will be ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► names that you can leave those pretty late in the game and prices you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► really late in the game and so it's a very small group of people who are doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► that the in in terms of marketing and PR and and they don't they don't leak as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► much unless they I want to I think they did they don't become less the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► I think they don't they don't like as much it comes from supply chain and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► comes from kind of people in the broader company who know little bits about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► and and can leave those little bits but my experience I don't know you remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► when they did mountain lion and everybody expected there would be no OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► update for like another year or six months and we all got briefings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► yeah about Mountain Lion and I like I literally didn't know what I was being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► briefed on my walked in and said yeah there's a new version of OS 10 is called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► mountain lion it's going to come out and you know if we're going to announce it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► in two weeks and I just nobody had been talking about it and literally it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► not i mean the embargo dropped and everybody's minds were blown that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► was a really instructive thing for me about how buttoned-up apple in cupertino [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► in the marketing department could be because that was something that didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► like my didn't leak because that not very many people knew and nobody in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► supply chain knew nobody outside of of Internet loop new really yeah and that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► don't know how they do the packaging like where where and how they make all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► the boxes for these phones but that's you know like here in my box here that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► have one right here on my desk and it says iphone 6s so ransomware there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► somebody making all these boxes and that could leak but it's different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► regular supply chain and it's notable that the phones themselves don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► the numbers on the back they usually just say iphone last year they space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► they put the s underneath but it just says iphone ass and the iphone SE has an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► SE underneath it on the back etched into it and that name did leak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► yeah because its edge it was etched on the things that they were making in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► yeah I want you wonder about like gap the security of who who who's printing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► yeah where they get printed right on golden who is that and presumably that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► all happening in China because they're shipping them direct from china but i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► not saying too that you you couldn't you know you can head on the name if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► wanted to but the name is probably chosen but it's a it's a smaller group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► and then keep it buttoned up more easily and and you see that in a lot of reports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► where there are details from the the hardware side but not from the marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► and marketing side and that'll allows us to keep some degree of of a mystery at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► often you will see those reports happen like a day or two before the event when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3896">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► when they have to tell people but the those those people in the know can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► really secretive about it right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► yeah and once you know boatloads of these things are you know on route or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► can fly the first couple batches I don't know but once they're starting to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► them on pallets and ship them across the Pacific Ocean then there's obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► more sources for league right and the jig is up although that's one reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► why they're not usually available today right when they announce them is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► they are not quite in the in the chain yet at that point to keep some amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► I wonder I wonder how much that you know that that they only do like a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► number of boxes beforehand so that they can give us the review units and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► but then once they announce it is when all of a sudden like there's some place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► in China where they're starting start turning out literally millions of boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► with the product name like go because the I presume that they can print these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► boxes hell of a lot faster than they can assemble phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► oh yeah sure i'm sure i'm sure that's probably a cool machine to see ya i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► i was thinking I wonder if you could print on an assembled box so like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► keep the just keep the edge that says whether it's a six señor a seven or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► something else and just stamp it probably not they probably printed on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► the cardboard and folded up let's take a break before we talk about the macrumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/3976">TS</a>]
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01:06:40 ◼ ► this is a company that you send them your photos and they print them directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► on glass they don't print your photos on paper and then like glue the paper to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:47 ◼ ► class or something like that they have a proprietary process that is amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4007">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► where they print them directly on glass I don't know how it works but it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► they really pop they have great vibrant color and contrast it just it just looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► like an exquisite print of a photo and it is a great way to bring your photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► to life it is such a great thing and it is such a lost thing that we even I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► guilty of it i have them as a regular sponsor i buy them all the time and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► I really think about it I don't get enough of my pictures printed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► fracture I'm gonna get some printed after the show because I love him I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► having them around the house everybody loves having pictures hanging up on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► they look so great it is amazing how good digital photos even from your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► now look when you get them printed analog on on something that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► actually touch i can't say how happy these every time i buy these factors i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► can't tell you how happy they make me they even call it their happiness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► guarantee at 60 days so by it go if you don't just want to take my word for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► by it could get them take a look at him and you have 60 days where if you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► happy with the print that you ordered you can send it back and they don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► they doing they're handmade in gainesville florida from us source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► supplies in a carbon-neutral factory so you can feel good about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4077">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► here's what you do go to fracture me.com / podcast i love this note URL ends and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► podcast not the name of your podcast factor me.com / podcast and you will get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► ten percent off your first order and then they're going to give you a survey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► and it's got one question and the question is how did you hear about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► fracture and then that's where you say the talk show or daring fireball or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► whatever you want with it whatever you want to say so go there practically calm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► / podcast those I'm surrounded by those right now it did its they're great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► it's it's it's just so great i cannot say enough good things about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► company and it's not really gift-giving season the middle of august but my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► it is the best it is the best gift for family people you could ever imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► it's what they do actually assemble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► you know in Florida so they have limited liberate be basically they did I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► they get busy holiday so it's not bad to order ahead and quite honestly because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► they these are not they don't have just a factory where they can just turn it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► they've got there there there there people who make these girls either last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► year the year before remember doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► read where they specifically the reed included like in bold print like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► yeah please tell people to order by the end of november because but December [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► first we might be backlog past Christmas yeah all right back to government the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► government had the second thing and more recently on it was just a couple days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► ago we had a report on the new macbook pro yeah and some of it there was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► bit that was new to me and I think but the rest of it wasn't the bit that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► new to me was he said specifically that it is not a tapered design like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► regular macbook or the macbook air it is still a symmetric thickness across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► side which surprised me because I I sort of thought that they would go to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► tapered design that it would that that they would go it would be like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► think of a macbook air but with the retina screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4195">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► yeah i mean they must just added this is a way to differentiate this is a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► have more room in there for battery and stuff but I mean it sounds like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► still thinner than a slightly thinner he says yeah but not tapered that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► little surprising i think i think that was the the going theory was that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► would be more like that like a macbook air for the for the macbook just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► little bit more chunky than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► yeah Chuck you're still part of my thinking that would be tapered is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► it's three factors one Apple tends to make things thinner i don't know i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► know if you've ever thought about this are no jobs as law that's the jobs all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► I don't have you ever noticed Jason but over the years the alpha tends to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:38 ◼ ► devices thinner nothing and going to a tapered design is a way to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4238">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► thinner in parts while still having you know there's certain things that may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► required the thickness and they can stick them in the back ran . too is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► there was a report earlier this year from ming-chi kuo the supply chain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► just over in Asia who has very almost no sources i think within Apple itself but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► some very good supply chain sources in the Asian countries where these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► factories are and he reported he had a curious report about a 13-inch macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► meaning like the 12-inch MacBook that that we have today this is just plain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:18 ◼ ► macbook air 13 inch version right which makes no sense whatsoever like 12 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4278">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► and 13 inches not enough differentiation and the 12-inch was just updated like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► if they wanted to change the 12-inch 213 I could see that that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► believable if they wanted to go back and have two versions 111 and 113 like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► used to with the air i can see that but 12 and 13 isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► did you know you got to have like small and large you can't have like large and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► semi large it doesn't make any sense so to me that made sense only in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► context that it wasn't a macbook that it was a macbook pro and you know maybe he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► was just wrong and there is no 13-inch tapered macbook but that's just what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► and then the third factor is wishful thinking you guys are I I've said this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► before four years my portable was an 11-inch macbook air and it was it it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► really slow because it i tend to the thing that I do that really slows down a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► mac is I have like 30 or 40 Safari windows open hmm i swear to god i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► i have like 40 windows open here on my imac each of them with like eight tabs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► and on the macbook air that would really you know i have to call tab bankruptcy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► way more frequency than I want frequently than i wanted to because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► just was slowing it down but the thing I loved about it and got addicted to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► even two years into having this 13-inch macbook pro still can't get used to is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► when I take it out of a bag i turned put set in front of me the wrong way because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► the tapered design made it instantaneously unknowable which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► front which is the back and i still have if i want to do it visually I'm so old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4376">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► and I'm so used to the old power books that i still remember when the apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► logo looked right when you were sitting in front of it close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► not when it ripen and so I did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► doesn't help me either yeah i still have my 11 chair here that's my laptop that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► like take around if I need to and I thought yeah i think there's a group of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► people who are like well that macbook is not for me but i'm sure the new macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► pro will be smaller and lighter than the existing macbook pro and that'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► close enough and i think that i think that's a question here and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► you're getting at with sort of wishing that it's more of a wedge shape is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► the hope that it's yeah it's a macbook pro but it's still really thin and light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► and that may not be you know that may not be possible given that they do want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► to truly be a pro and have the power that the macbook dozen yeah that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► pro they're really serious about the pro at name part of the name and and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► makes sense to me that you know because it is pro and i really want to emphasize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► graphics you know and then there's according to garmin some options to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► AMD graphics don't GPUs and other you know battery life and other things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► know obviously it's easier to put a bigger battery and a device that isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► tapered so it makes sense and maybe it still has the nicer keyboard if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► thicker because I kinda you know I i assume that these are going to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► keyboard that's more like the magic keyboard so different than the classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► keyboard but not the macbook keyboard that's might that would be my guess is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:33 ◼ ► that they they engineered this other kind of keyboard for a reason and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4473">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► probably not just as an external bluetooth keyboard that this would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► the basis of the of the of the macbook pro keyboard to instead of the super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► yeah that makes sense to me i hope so when I guess the other thing again this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► was you know rumored before I think maybe from German I'd probably from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► garmin when he was a 9to5 mac and I've heard other things elsewhere but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► the function keys are being replaced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► there will be no more function keys on the keyboard the f1 f2 f3 and which most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► people use for the other purpose they don't usually use them as function keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► but is the whatever the little icon is you know the volume up volume down right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► those are going away and it will be replaced with a and led touchscreen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► will be software configurable so it'll be like having almost like an iOS device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► on the keyboard where you tap on these buttons that would be software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► configurable right which presumably means that then there will be a when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► this is announced that all the like app developers are going to be given no time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► to be handed a new API I've like here's how you do this and then they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► have to kind of jump to it or we're going to see slow adoption of it which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► is the downside of having a fancy new hardware that requires software adoption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► because they'll be a lag i'm i'm a little skeptical visit it's all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► the implementation but I'm skeptical only in the sense that I don't look down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:05 ◼ ► at my keyboard a lot right and and you use it by feel and this isn't going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4565">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► be an area that you presumably can't use by feel unless there's some other aspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► of this that is not clear in these reports and that that that concerns me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► like if you have to look down in order to mute your system because you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► know where the mute button it is or if it's even visible that's that seems less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► good can you can you hit the mute key without looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► I can I can't use any of those that function keys without looking i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► touch-type but I even after I don't hide i'm not even now I can't even touch type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:38 ◼ ► numbers i have to look when i type numbers i can only do the alphabet that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► i did some of the time i can i can touch-type some of them some of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:45 ◼ ► and sometimes i do look if I'm if I'm not oriented my hands on the keyboard i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4605">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► think i think it's true but you know that's the argument is that you just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► look you glanced down and and you tap i also have I'm kind of excited i used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► have a bluetooth keyboard that had a volume control that was you get a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► strip that you just slide your finger on and I think that's interesting that some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► of the things we do with these with these devices like making the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► brightness more or less or making the volume louder or quieter don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► have to be there not even the best way to control them is not two keys or three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► it's probably it because it's a it's a spectrum in on an iphone you just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► just slide this writer i could see that for something like this to wear instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► to control the brightness of your display there's just a brightness strip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► and you slide your finger on it right is you once you touch school once you turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► it like the slider pops up next to it right like if you haven't yet put your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► finger on brightness and then slide your finger to adjust exactly even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► don't look if you just if you know where to land your finger for the brightness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► area then at that point you're at where you are now and you just slide left or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► right to make a brighter or or or likewise with volume and rent if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► want to quiet you just touch the volume thing and slide to the left until it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► says it's muted and that's that's a better interaction then tap tap tap tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► on any yeah I could see that you know I mean and I for system-wide stuff I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► definitely see it I am i it's not that I'm skeptical it's just that I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► i've yet to imagine a scenario where i would want / application stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► that's one of the things government said the point was that you know depending on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► what applications are indicative different things so you know would it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► helpful like if you're using photoshop or or you know an image editor to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► the the tool palette on the keyboard so that the argument is like you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:40 ◼ ► Final Cut users sometimes would have liked stickers that they put on key s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4720">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► in order to stay like this is what i need to do to do this thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► wouldn't need you could just have custom labels I mean it's just like with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► iphone you have the custom label so even if it's essentially the same as command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► shift option k or it's you know she you know command F to that instead of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4734">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► it just has a thing that says you know split clip then you can you tap it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► it does what you want I gotta thank you the idea i guess i guess there's someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► you know and it ties it back in with our earlier discussion about custom keycaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► you know where I've seen like you I've seen that you can buy like if you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► Final Cut as a profession you can get like especially not just stickers you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► can just buy a keyboard that has the you know the keys i think there's photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► versions of that too yeah well you know i'm on ATP at one point a few months ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► they talked about that i think there's a an incredibly expensive keyboard that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► has custom keys like that they're like little screens i have seen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► yeah that's madness but you know that that that idea so yeah I mean it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► true and and you know i could see Apple pitching it has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► in a way to unearth the most important and little-used features in your app in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► a way that but you know you can expose them by giving them their own dedicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► space on the keyboard at aii my fear is that Apple is going to have some really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4795">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► great examples with their apps and then all the third party developers are gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► be like well you know and then and and they're gonna not adopted or they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► gonna do it badly that you want to see because that's it that's a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► challenge for like mac software developers suddenly have having to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► this whole new approach to their UI which is this only on macbook pros by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► I don't know it's weird well maybe presumably i would think if it takes off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► if there's any kind of traction with it whatsoever it will come to the regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► macbook next revision around and maybe we'll come to the magic keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► yeah I mean maybe I think it's a little weird as I as I think about it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► imagine it I can't imagine it being cool i can imagine it being a gimmick I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► yeah but i do think it's weird a weird mashup of touch screens and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► abstraction of the pointer based mac OS right that you've got a screen on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► laptop that is abstract meaning you have to use a trackpad or a mouse to move a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► pointer that is a representation of you in the system and then have an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► touch screen right there right it could gets to the whole point of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► thinking that they want touch screens on the mac itself which but it remains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► inside apples philosophy of it which is that you don't go out of the out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► plane you don't go perpendicular that people don't want to do this on the arms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:30 ◼ ► thing but but if your hands are down on the keyboard right on a laptop you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4890">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► you're looking at the screen but you're also looking at the keyboard it's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► there you can't really look away from it and that that you know and then your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► fingers are already you know right next to that touch area so you're not having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► to lift up and then reach out and touch the screen so it does fit it's a way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► them to do touch screen technology short of replacing the entire keyboard with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► touchscreen and while not kind of breaking their philosophy of not doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► Green on the main screen right which would also require you to redo the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► entire UI of the mac OS to make things of a size that would be amenable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► would you make it all the controls incredibly large for everybody using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► mouse would be which is one of the reasons why don't think it's ever gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► happen it doesn't say government doesn't say whether the touchscreen strip for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► function keys as he describes it will be a tactic i hope that it is because it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► me that would make it make a lot more sense because then you could navigate by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► I don't know if you can though because if it's if it's a touchscreen then if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► you're running your finger over it you're touching it unless unless its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► pressure sensitive right i don't know i mean there's a lot of there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► questions about this one this is this is a real mystery where we're not knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► anything but the existence of the hardware we left to put our own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► judgments on it that may have nothing to do with the the real approach in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4975">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► real way Apple is going to explain it when they roll this out i also says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► he'll have us bc it doesn't say how many right USB seaports favorite or 500 fits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► or if they're removing UAE at all together or Thunderbolt or is there a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► mix it's just sort of like there will be USB it will include USBC isn't that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► of the one of his sources said which ties back to my how long will I be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► to get away using an Apple extended keyboard to that adapter i have goes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► regular USB so I you know what show us bc 2 USB dat be just a change just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► eventually though right so I'll be able to keep going with a USBC only imac if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► let's say the next 1i replace this imac if that one only has USBC although i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► presume on an imac they're not going to get rid of the you know they can afford [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► to just have a bunch of ugly ports because they hide them all on the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► yeah probably so i probably won't and that's where i use this keyboard i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5036">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► have never used the I've never used it with a macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► you know it doesn't make any sense to pull the plug extended keyboard you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:07 ◼ ► an external keyboard into a macbook so I'm not too worried about it but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5047">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► makes me think wonder about you know at some point eventually I think before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► the death of the Mack I i wouldn't be surprised if I'm using a mac that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► doesn't have any ports at all other than power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► so yeah you know 10 15 years from now will I school i will there be USB ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► well you'll be going from wireless standard to us bc 2 USB the atb at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► yeah I'm sorry Sophia I'm sure they'll be a chain of adapters that you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► keep using your 30-plus year old keyboard that anyway I guess that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► I need I need a USB port that apply hub that goes to one wireless wireless and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:48 ◼ ► bluetooth a yeah yeah I'm sure he also at the other reported here that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5088">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► thought was really interesting when we talk about sort of how he qualifies the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► sources at Bloomberg is he says apple is also considered bringing space grey gold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► and silver silver silver it already is a big basically adding the other two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► colors that they have in the iphones and on the macbook to the new line a person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► said right and then he says it's unclear if this will happen so basically he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► one person say that they were talking about it and we don't know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► outcome is and if they're actually doing it or not just that they thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► yeah I think they probably will I hope they do I mean I I feel like I mean I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► been another podcast I've been complaining about this for a while now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► as I kind of Miss the old days of like the colorful ipods and stuff and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► the colorful max if you go back to the original iMac and and they ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:45 ◼ ► having you know eight different colors of those I kind of Miss that like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5145">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► were all silver apple products for so long and now we've got the gold in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► space cray and that's good i think it's a good step but I do i do feel sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5155">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► I know that their supply chain issues and and and and store issues and and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► of that but I do kind of Miss having more personality and color and like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► somebody wants to buy a blu macbook they would be great they would i would love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► that but at least one of things i like about the macbook is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► it isn't just the silver color you can get it in the gold or the rose gold or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► the or the space grey yeah it's been a long time for me where there's one color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► from MacBook and you don't like it I have the black book when they made that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► and i love that and then that was the last macbook I had before I should i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► switch to the macbook air and it's been also for laptops and I i saw someone in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► starbucks with the black macbook earlier this summer maybe a year this year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► great condition I mean this guy really obviously cares for it because IM it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► glanced at least it was it certainly wasn't grungy at all and I was but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► my had this moment where I was just like whoa what is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► that thing looks great and then I realized that what it was and I was and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► then I kind of thought that was and I was like they were more prone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► fingerprints than the white ones but i think they were more resilient overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► because the white ones were super shiny and so they got scratch pretty easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► but the black ones where this matte color and not add more at a glance i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► thought it was gorgeous the other one that I've had that I don't haven't seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► one in years now but long after it was discontinued occasionally I would see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► the 12-inch i think it was called a powerbook yeah 12v power but the 1i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► my the one with the keyboard really when edge-to-edge yeah just like the macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► now I mean that was that was the original edge-to-edge this keep this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► laptop cannot be any wider than the keyboard the full-size keyboard i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► that that was my favorite before the 11th year that was my favorite alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► I for years afterwards after its discontinuation when I'd see one like at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► a press event or a coffee shop or something i'd have this moment of whoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► what brand computers that that is a hot look at it you know like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► Apple should get on that makes oh but yep because I knew it wasn't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► like the modern I instantly did recognize it as something different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► what you guys available now and instantly recognized into something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► yeah but boxy because it's so thick now that but in terms of with I mean it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► it was incredibly small some way smaller smaller than the macbook because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► screen was so much smaller yeah but it but then but then super thick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► yeah it is yeah there's a certain elegance to the way that the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► looked edge to edge where it's sort of like the same appeal is like those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► like good looks at something it in my brain registers that is beautiful like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► it's the same way like there was somehow instead of being awkward that there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► no edge around it it the proportions were so nice that it just looked sharp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► like I really always felt I always felt that computer was like a keyboard that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► had a computer around it that it was like the computer and the keyboard we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► just all part of the same thing in a way because of that design I idea that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► mine that was my favorite the 11-inch took it over as my sort of favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► apple laptop ever but for a long time I was that a 12-inch MacBook is is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► kind of always something to that now but it's not quite the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► yeah there's a framing device in German story that I don't buy it all which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► that an end if you watch the video he did with bloomberg TV they emphasize it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► to which is sort of like Apple is doing this new macbook pro because ipad sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► have tapered off and the ipad didn't really succeed at being the replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► for laptops i'm here i'll just read his words this year's macbook pro overall is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► aimed at increasing notebook sales at a time when consumers are taking longer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► buy replace iPads Apple research suggests customers upgrade iPads roughly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► every three years while they buy new iPhones every 18 to 12 months according [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► to a person familiar with Apple strategy which blog that I that has nothing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► with why this macbook is command now it yeah it sounds to me like he had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► tidbit which is that Apple research is yeah seems to have twigged on what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► buying pattern is for the ipad which we've all been wondering like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► the cycle and it sounds like his sources set suggest that Apple thinks it's three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► years but it doesn't seem to have I mean that likely weren't gonna update the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► macbook pro if the ipad was doing great they were just never going to update it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► again i think most people would say that surprised it's taking this long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► right because they were waiting at Intel and Intel had some issues and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► thought they could skip a generation get away with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► yeah i got bitten and now they're like that's too long 140 days or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► yeah well it's very clear that they thought they could get away with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► skipping that one intel processor generation and and skating by because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► the next one was going to be great and then the next one go ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► issues and now here we are but you know I don't like it has anything to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► the ipad yeah why why has it taken so long for this ipad this new macbook pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► to come out and were speaking about it as though it out and it's not out yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► and now we can even may not be out until october and remember even and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► you could use that is I don't think with this in particular like that the mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► is a totally different story and edit I don't know what is going on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► because it's been nine years or nine years but yeah feels like it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► about nine years since it came out three years without any updates at all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► that it there's the story on that has to be more complicated and it might be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► worrisome to people who really depend on those those those machines with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► macbook pro though I think the story is exactly what you said I think that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► was an intel generation of chips that Apple thought they could skip and wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► for the next one in this because it's like why do a new version of the macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► pro of the old you know macbook pro as we know it with just with the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:47 ◼ ► chipset when this new thing is coming when and we have all these plans for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5507">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► you know keyboard and it's going to be thinner will wait you know we'll wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► while with that and it's taken longer than they thought it would because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► too many they sell too many of these like it's easy to say that there is off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► the ball on the mac pro because it just doesn't sell my quantities but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► it really is i think it's there I mean I my money would be on it being there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► number one mac that they sell right because they sell to be somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► between two-thirds and three-quarters of the max that they sell they don't break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► it out anymore in rank so we we can tell but it's a it's a huge number of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► majority of the max old laptops they're not desktops their laptops and i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► think that I mean macbook air probably isn't selling very well now the macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► is probably doing ok but macbook pro that's the workforce that is at a normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► time that's got to be that the most important of all the mac certainly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► certainly by revenue and profit because it yeah it's not quite there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► quantity it is a much higher price especially and because it attracts pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► it i'm sure that more people buy them and max out the storage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► ram and stuff like that the graphics you know whereas the people who buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5576">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► certainly the people who are buying macbook airs are buying them for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► price at this point because the specs aren't there the screens aren't retina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► whereas people buying the pros might be buying the ones that cost you know 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► hundred dollars so bye-bye revenue it's gotta be so I'd i think apple is as is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► internally furious about the delay on this so the other thing government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► reports and you you looked at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► government says that they're not planning to debut them at the event next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► month which I expect to be on September seventh and catching it at mainly just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► going by history which is that for the last three four years they've had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► event somewhere around this is like march 72 or sep tember 7th 2 1112 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► something like that and if you look at the calendar March or September seven is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► the day its way on a and the monday $MONTH $DAY two days before his labor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5627">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► day which is why they're not having on Tuesday exactly right well it was two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► years ago was the ninth and i think last year is the eighth and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► making it the seventh this year makes makes a lot of sense if they if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► sticking with that pattern that will be what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► um i would have expected and again i have no inside information on this what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► so ever but just based on the fact that last year they used one event to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► everything that was coming out in the fall including the ipad pro which wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► coming until late october that even if these macbook pros aren't coming til [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► October that they would use this one event to to unveil them and the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► thing I do know just from last year was talking to people at Apple that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► definitely purposeful a purposeful decision to go to 11 event September for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► everything i'm going to do that fall instead of what they had done in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► previous few years which was a big event in September and in a smallish event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:45 ◼ ► usually a town hall in cupertino in October that they found that too too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5685">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► hard to do back-to-back yeah you know I think I think they could announce them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► at the event and just say look we we love the mac and we have a whole bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:01 ◼ ► of new mac stuff and here's a really quick look at where the mac is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5701">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► this fall and they would say this is coming in october this coming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► November of course Sierra's out now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► blah blah we're done they could do an event also i mean i know people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:15 ◼ ► like it when i say this but there are apple can release products without an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5715">TS</a>]
01:35:19 ◼ ► yeah and for something like the mac which we all love but at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5719">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► is a small part of apples but overall business now is it the end of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► if Apple does a you know a macbook pro press release I mean it would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► whimper but they could they could also do a really small event somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► they've done that before where it's a mac event and it's got a very limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:44 ◼ ► I didn't it could even do that I don't think they're ever gonna go back to town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► hall but they got options they don't have to give it 30 minutes onstage on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► yeah my guess is that they either give it 30 minutes onstage September seventh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5754">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► or they'll release it without an event and do product briefings get the prefix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5758">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► and press release and big website and you know I'm in fact is Apple can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► release a product without an event and still get lots of press coverage because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► they invite their you know key journalist contacts to pre briefings and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► give them an embargo and and then you know one day you wake up and suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► all of these reviews are posting about what the new macbook that just was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► announced yeah i think when they do the briefings there's obviously fewer press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► than an event but it's not it's not super exclusive either like I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► when the watch came out uh III there was an event in March that was the year that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► couldn't travel because of the eye surgery right they didn't give them they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► didn't have watches to give out yet and when they did they did they did product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► briefings New York and and on campus and cupertino for us coasters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► so I went to New York but it was tons and tons I mean a big big operation I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► mean it was it wasn't just like oh they invited three people and Ryan get my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5817">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► watch I mean it was a an operation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► yeah although that's it that's in part / perhaps because they thought they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► be able to give them out at the march of india and they couldn't but like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► can do that with the macbook sure that they certainly absolutely could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► uh trying to say anything else about the back book pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► I don't think so i know i mean i-i just we mentioned that the seven years it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► been since the mac pro got updated i do think that that's a that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► overarching question that we still need an answer to is what's going on with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► rest of the mac line think other than the macbook that all kind of the this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► would be the season this fall would be the season where they would do a least a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► speed bump on the imax and maybe the mac mini and certainly a story about what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► going on with the mac pro and it sounds like you know they're working on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► stuff I've seen reports that all that stuff is in process and it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► question of windows it formally announced and shipped and it sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5878">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► we may end up with a fall where the entire Mac line turns over except the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► macbook and yeah i think i hopes oh yeah we really do because it is you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► damn curious if you want to use a mac pro that you have to buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► three-year-old computer i can't i can't believe they're still selling them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► I mean it's almost unconscionable that those products are still for sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► because they're so outdated now it would be fascinating to know how many of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► they're actually selling because even more than the macbook pro it I it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► almost certain that nobody goes in and by accidentally just on a whim buys it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► Mac Pro right like that it's it really truly is the most probe all of any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► computer they sell it's very expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► it requires a display you know I wonder if they're selling intense institutional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► sales now where they actually buy a bunch of them and give them a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5936">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► discount and yeah you can buy a month on the apple store on apple.com but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► maybe if they're selling any it's really that and and it's two people that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:08 ◼ ► need a mac pro and they needed today and they might just get up and I can totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5948">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► see though how a lot of people coming in to buy a mac a macbook of any sort or an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► imac they have no idea when the last time it was revised and they don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► sure it's just look at it looks right and it seems to be very fit very fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► right there the story i'll buy it where's the mac pro is only selling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► people whatever the reason whether they're you know videos that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► editors or photographers or developers they're selling to people who know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► this this is a three-year-old computer and I route you know at the end people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► who note a know that it's old be know that it's no longer a good value for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► dollar and see know that it's gonna physically paint them to buy one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/5984">TS</a>]
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01:50:43 ◼ ► podcasts but with like immediate was i get there is enough of a signal easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► enough of a signal that it wasn't going to LTE it was like a Wi-Fi but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► like when you see two bars on a Wi-Fi that you means like you know you're on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:56 ◼ ► like a 56k modem right like that would if you don't have all the bars on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6656">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► yeah anyway 0i you want to talk about Rick teles Fast Company piece for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► guess there's a second piece to there's an interview with the soma st. John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► right that Mark Sullivan did but really only wrote the main piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:21 ◼ ► yeah I listen to your show your upgrade with my curly and I I thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6681">TS</a>]
01:51:26 ◼ ► interesting you guys both seemed a little non plugs like that the casual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6686">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► the new beginning of non plus like not that enthusiastic but i love this story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:37 ◼ ► I really did and I thought you and Mike were surprisingly like and it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6697">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► really well anything to be fair one of the things about that podcast we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► recorded on Monday morning and so like literally I woke up saw that there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:49 ◼ ► this story read it and then we did a podcast about it so I was surprised when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6709">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► I heard it I was like a way i just read the story i was dry I went for a run and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:56 ◼ ► I was listening to your show and I was like how are they talking about this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6716">TS</a>]
01:51:59 ◼ ► then I realized that the air data the podcast was like I'd literally must have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6719">TS</a>]
01:52:03 ◼ ► downloaded it as I left the yeah the house and the Wi-Fi radius kept you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6723">TS</a>]
01:52:08 ◼ ► allow you to download it um yeah I part of it for me is that I see the artifice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6728">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► behind it and I it's just it's most people will never see that but as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:17 ◼ ► somebody who has written and edited magazine features before I looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6737">TS</a>]
01:52:22 ◼ ► this and I thought okay I can see why this thing is constructed the way it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6742">TS</a>]
01:52:26 ◼ ► and also part of it is some of my own personal bias where I look at a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6746">TS</a>]
01:52:30 ◼ ► that begins with like a lengthy anecdote about the surroundings of apple and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6750">TS</a>]
01:52:41 ◼ ► and describing what he's wearing and the temperature in cupertino and all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6761">TS</a>]
01:52:45 ◼ ► and there are two ways to view that one is this is a feature story he's setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6765">TS</a>]
01:52:49 ◼ ► the scene he's letting his readers get the sense of who these people are and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6769">TS</a>]
01:52:51 ◼ ► what this place is like and that that is how its intended as an editor I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6771">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► look at that and think uh you're you know you don't have you don't have a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6777">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► of material to pack in here so you have the you know you have the room to tell a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:08 ◼ ► story and in fact you kind of need to tell a weave a story here in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6788">TS</a>]
01:53:12 ◼ ► imagery because the you know that's that's part of what you've got is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6792">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► access and then maybe you don't have you know if you had Tim Cook saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:21 ◼ ► something you know pretty profound and deep in terms of pronouncement you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6801">TS</a>]
01:53:25 ◼ ► probably lead with that but you don't so you lead with the atmosphere and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6805">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► like I kind of get the artifice of that and and part of it is just yet as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:32 ◼ ► somebody who's been to apple and has talked to and talk to a lot of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6812">TS</a>]
01:53:35 ◼ ► people for me i read that story thinking what are they going to say that's new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6815">TS</a>]
01:53:40 ◼ ► and describing caffe macs and the smell of the chicken masala doesn't do it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6820">TS</a>]
01:53:44 ◼ ► me so part of it is that too so I like it I don't like my biases I like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6824">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► though I really did I did that a couple years ago I think it was the time you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:51 ◼ ► talking about where Apple Apple called us in for a briefing where they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6831">TS</a>]
01:53:55 ◼ ► tell us what the product was and i had a briefing with shoulder in New York and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6835">TS</a>]
01:53:59 ◼ ► they said they made clear to me that the whole thing was on the record i was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6839">TS</a>]
01:54:02 ◼ ► all of it I can't write about all of it and so then really instead of writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6842">TS</a>]
01:54:06 ◼ ► about that the version of mac OS that they showed me I wrote what it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6846">TS</a>]
01:54:10 ◼ ► to have the product briefing with Schiller and Apple did not like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6850">TS</a>]
01:54:14 ◼ ► that was I was then told that there was a quote-unquote grouper Claus added to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6854">TS</a>]
01:54:19 ◼ ► future on-the-record briefings where it's the what's being talked about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6859">TS</a>]
01:54:24 ◼ ► product is on-the-record not the yet another with his son don't yeah i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6864">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► gotten I've gotten read that fried active so thanks for that but no its you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:33 ◼ ► know it's it's all about what you want to get out of it and how do i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6873">TS</a>]
01:54:38 ◼ ► a fine story I think it's got some good stuff in it i think it's you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6878">TS</a>]
01:54:42 ◼ ► interesting that was done awhile ago because it it's clearly been held for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6882">TS</a>]
01:54:45 ◼ ► magazine deadline because you will apparently published in print good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6885">TS</a>]
01:54:49 ◼ ► them and so it's like from when the Warriors lot of the NBA finals was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6889">TS</a>]
01:54:54 ◼ ► so it's not like it's it's kind of breaking news but they did get access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6894">TS</a>]
01:54:58 ◼ ► it's not you know again I read between the lines and think they didn't get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6898">TS</a>]
01:55:01 ◼ ► lot of time with him cooking a lot of time with eddy cue track Craig federighi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6901">TS</a>]
01:55:05 ◼ ► but they got some and it's and it's I think it's a perfectly nice piece I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6905">TS</a>]
01:55:09 ◼ ► think that doing impressed me most about it is that it cited all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6909">TS</a>]
01:55:13 ◼ ► misconceptions about Apple without buying into them and and that's hard for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:18 ◼ ► a magazine piece or really any peace to do we're usually you either see pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6918">TS</a>]
01:55:23 ◼ ► that are denying the conception or you see them buying into it entirely and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6923">TS</a>]
01:55:28 ◼ ► this piece didn't didn't do that this piece was like this is how it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6928">TS</a>]
01:55:31 ◼ ► perceived but there are lots of reasons why that may not actually be accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6931">TS</a>]
01:55:36 ◼ ► and I was impressed that he walked that line because nuance is really hard to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6936">TS</a>]
01:55:39 ◼ ► and and I think you did a good job with it i think he really did a good job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6939">TS</a>]
01:55:43 ◼ ► painting a picture of what apple and 2016 is you know and and it's true and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6943">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► it's an interesting amount of time i post steve jobs is my off by you're here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6949">TS</a>]
01:55:57 ◼ ► i'm pretty sure 25 years i think it was $MONTH 2011 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6957">TS</a>]
01:55:59 ◼ ► where where I think you're right right around now in August they Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6959">TS</a>]
01:56:03 ◼ ► announced that he was stepping aside CEO to become chairman of the board and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6963">TS</a>]
01:56:09 ◼ ► it was october when landing when he died 25 years is you know sort of round [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6969">TS</a>]
01:56:14 ◼ ► number and it's an interesting period of time and it's been a very strong five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6974">TS</a>]
01:56:17 ◼ ► years for Apple you know they mentioned in the article that the head the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6977">TS</a>]
01:56:20 ◼ ► company's employee count is doubled in that time certainly their finances have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6980">TS</a>]
01:56:24 ◼ ► in you know for whatever how much hand-wringing want to give over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6984">TS</a>]
01:56:28 ◼ ► year-over-year decreases in the last two quarters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6988">TS</a>]
01:56:31 ◼ ► overall there those two quarters are still above 2014 and you know it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6991">TS</a>]
01:56:37 ◼ ► the abnormal nests of $MONTH 2015 with the abnormal accessory iphone 6 that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/6997">TS</a>]
01:56:45 ◼ ► know and again not good but still overall the company is way bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7005">TS</a>]
01:56:48 ◼ ► financially and profits and revenue and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7008">TS</a>]
01:56:51 ◼ ► and you know number of you just number of users than they were five years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7011">TS</a>]
01:56:55 ◼ ► its it truly is Apple the industry beat him off now they are i mean there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7015">TS</a>]
01:57:03 ◼ ► other way to avoid it and I'd I've been thinking about this a lot like it big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7023">TS</a>]
01:57:08 ◼ ► picture apple stuff you know as a commentator and columnist that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7028">TS</a>]
01:57:12 ◼ ► in my heart I like Apple the little company better ensure that it was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7032">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► appealing to me personally and laminates it's your star wars fan it's like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:22 ◼ ► rooting for the Rebel Alliance when it's it's old apple and now I I had this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7042">TS</a>]
01:57:26 ◼ ► conversation with my friend Greg Moss who knows everybody on the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7046">TS</a>]
01:57:30 ◼ ► apparently who I went to college with and he was saying you know it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7050">TS</a>]
01:57:33 ◼ ► hard to root for Apple these days the few years ago but or or even do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7053">TS</a>]
01:57:36 ◼ ► something like read the mac elope because it was one thing when they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7056">TS</a>]
01:57:39 ◼ ► the underdog and they were the rebel but now they're kinda like the big guy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7059">TS</a>]
01:57:43 ◼ ► it doesn't make me you know i don't know that it is just the tone is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7063">TS</a>]
01:57:48 ◼ ► the feeling is different and and you write this article gets it i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7068">TS</a>]
01:57:52 ◼ ► think the maps anecdote was the most is the most illuminating thing in it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7072">TS</a>]
01:57:56 ◼ ► it's illuminating in so many different ways like they talk about they talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7076">TS</a>]
01:58:00 ◼ ► about the fact that they were kind of in a bubble where all the maps in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7080">TS</a>]
01:58:02 ◼ ► California we're good for in cupertino were in the bay area we're good and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7082">TS</a>]
01:58:06 ◼ ► they didn't realize they had data problems and that they thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7086">TS</a>]
01:58:10 ◼ ► thinking like old Apple which was we have to do this with a very small team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7090">TS</a>]
01:58:14 ◼ ► because we have to do it and nobody's really disputing that they had to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7094">TS</a>]
01:58:18 ◼ ► their own different maps data but they like they had this little team that did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7098">TS</a>]
01:58:21 ◼ ► it and they were kind of undersized and underpowered and it was a disaster and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7101">TS</a>]
01:58:25 ◼ ► now they they said like it went from a couple dozen people are dozens of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7105">TS</a>]
01:58:28 ◼ ► to like more than a thousand people working on maps now and and I find I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7108">TS</a>]
01:58:33 ◼ ► thought that's that's that moment when you realize the old playbook doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7113">TS</a>]
01:58:37 ◼ ► work for like your you have to do this thing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7117">TS</a>]
01:58:40 ◼ ► this map thing because it is a key to your business and the future products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7120">TS</a>]
01:58:43 ◼ ► that you do that you have your own your own source of map data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7123">TS</a>]
01:58:45 ◼ ► okay but you can't you know you can't do it in the old way which is put a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7125">TS</a>]
01:58:49 ◼ ► team on it and have them kind of hack something together you actually spend a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7129">TS</a>]
01:58:52 ◼ ► huge amount of money and hire a whole bunch of people and and make it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7132">TS</a>]
01:58:56 ◼ ► good everywhere in the world and that was I mean I thought that was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7136">TS</a>]
01:59:00 ◼ ► interesting not just because they say this is the reason why there are public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7140">TS</a>]
01:59:05 ◼ ► as they need to test it more broadly than their insular community but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7145">TS</a>]
01:59:08 ◼ ► just because what it says about how they need to embrace the fact that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7148">TS</a>]
01:59:12 ◼ ► playing on a much larger stage and the stakes are higher and they can't there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7152">TS</a>]
01:59:17 ◼ ► some stuff they can't do the old way just because that's not who they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7157">TS</a>]
01:59:21 ◼ ► anymore and that's not the game they're playing anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7161">TS</a>]
01:59:23 ◼ ► I a thousand employees I mad they don't say what they're doing like are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7163">TS</a>]
01:59:28 ◼ ► these people who are just driving car driving cars yeah that's what my thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7168">TS</a>]
01:59:32 ◼ ► is as is his wont years because there's a you know there's a to you know too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7172">TS</a>]
01:59:37 ◼ ► many chefs spoil this soup at Yankee you know but there's all that there's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7177">TS</a>]
01:59:41 ◼ ► the data and there's probably working with data sources and there is driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7181">TS</a>]
01:59:44 ◼ ► the cars i do wonder sometimes when they say apples employees have doubled how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7184">TS</a>]
01:59:47 ◼ ► much of that is retail and people like driving around cars right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7187">TS</a>]
01:59:51 ◼ ► I don't know then just manually going through the reports that people submit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7191">TS</a>]
01:59:55 ◼ ► of right place places and maps and just the grunt work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7195">TS</a>]
01:59:55 ◼ ► of right place places and maps and just the grunt work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7195">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► of oh that's that's no longer a laundromat now that's that was raised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:04 ◼ ► and now it's a townhouse you know exactly at it but it a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7204">TS</a>]
02:00:09 ◼ ► employees with an average salary of a hundred thousand dollars that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7209">TS</a>]
02:00:15 ◼ ► I mean even if it's lower than that as an average because some of them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7215">TS</a>]
02:00:18 ◼ ► doing more menial tasks and they're not like engineers or something even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7218">TS</a>]
02:00:23 ◼ ► have that to 50,000 you know that's still 50 million dollars a year that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7223">TS</a>]
02:00:29 ◼ ► significant investment and I think it's exactly an example a Jew but again one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7229">TS</a>]
02:00:33 ◼ ► of my favorite parts of the story it is exactly the under tim cook apple is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7233">TS</a>]
02:00:40 ◼ ► industry beat him off that can do something like create a thousand person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7240">TS</a>]
02:00:43 ◼ ► mapping division whereas the apple of you know when when they unveiled the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7243">TS</a>]
02:00:50 ◼ ► maps and steve jobs the CEO was I don't know if they considered a big team like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7250">TS</a>]
02:00:54 ◼ ► everything every team and apples a small team that's just that was the Apple way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7254">TS</a>]
02:00:58 ◼ ► of doing things and I don't want to get to come across that like Oh apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7258">TS</a>]
02:01:03 ◼ ► spending money like a drunken sailor now because that's not the case in fact i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7263">TS</a>]
02:01:06 ◼ ► know for a fact that Apple still I think I think tim cook this is one of the ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7266">TS</a>]
02:01:11 ◼ ► that were Tim cooking and Steve Jobs really were similar in their in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7271">TS</a>]
02:01:16 ◼ ► disposition is that it hurts them to spend money and higher lots of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7276">TS</a>]
02:01:21 ◼ ► think they don't they don't they don't want to do it apple is not managed as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7281">TS</a>]
02:01:25 ◼ ► if they had more than a hundred billion dollars in the bank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7285">TS</a>]
02:01:28 ◼ ► even though they do as if they weren't generating seven eight nine billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7288">TS</a>]
02:01:31 ◼ ► dollars in profit every single quarter right there not manage like that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7291">TS</a>]
02:01:36 ◼ ► every higher is scrutinized every team that there's always questions like does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7296">TS</a>]
02:01:40 ◼ ► this team needs to be any bigger it's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7300">TS</a>]
02:01:42 ◼ ► so that's why it makes this map thing such a big step for them to be like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7302">TS</a>]
02:01:46 ◼ ► know if we think this is what we need to do or the car thing potentially if we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7306">TS</a>]
02:01:50 ◼ ► going to do what we have to do it and that means you hiring lots of people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7310">TS</a>]
02:01:54 ◼ ► spending lots of money because we're not a small company anymore we are a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7314">TS</a>]
02:01:58 ◼ ► that has huge revenues and huge profits and if we want to if we want to stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7318">TS</a>]
02:02:02 ◼ ► that way we have to spend money i think that institutionally i know i know from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7322">TS</a>]
02:02:07 ◼ ► the various friends I have worked there and acquaintances that the people at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7327">TS</a>]
02:02:13 ◼ ► steve jobs and it since one of those things that quote unquote instilled in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7333">TS</a>]
02:02:16 ◼ ► the company's DNA they are deathly afraid of making bad hires and yeah not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7336">TS</a>]
02:02:21 ◼ ► in terms of talent although that's part of it but in just in terms of whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7341">TS</a>]
02:02:25 ◼ ► people get the Apple way and yet you know that that there's nothing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7345">TS</a>]
02:02:30 ◼ ► would sink the company faster than then you know polluting it with with bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7350">TS</a>]
02:02:34 ◼ ► hires commandos suppose that's right and the same same goes for if you speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7354">TS</a>]
02:02:40 ◼ ► higher if you hire a lot of people if you staff up really quickly the danger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7360">TS</a>]
02:02:43 ◼ ► there is that some percentage of those people are going to be bozos and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7363">TS</a>]
02:02:46 ◼ ► that's why apple's teams have traditionally been so small they are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7366">TS</a>]
02:02:50 ◼ ► careful about it they are run I think it's not you know apples near-death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7370">TS</a>]
02:02:54 ◼ ► experience and and the discipline of the way the culture change when Steve came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7374">TS</a>]
02:03:01 ◼ ► back and they got away from that near-death experience it informs the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7381">TS</a>]
02:03:06 ◼ ► culture to this day I think they have to fight when they do things like this have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7386">TS</a>]
02:03:08 ◼ ► to fight against it because it is a different place that they're in now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7388">TS</a>]
02:03:12 ◼ ► I see that you know my dad grew up in the depression and he lived his entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7392">TS</a>]
02:03:17 ◼ ► life being incredibly concerned about what money was being spent on what and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7397">TS</a>]
02:03:22 ◼ ► all of that and and reusing things and fixing broken things that most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7402">TS</a>]
02:03:26 ◼ ► would just throw out because we had that experience in the Great Depression and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7406">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► feel like Apple has that in their culture to like we almost went out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:33 ◼ ► business and so we're going to be really careful about every dollar we spend even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7413">TS</a>]
02:03:37 ◼ ► though we've got a hundred billion in a mattress somewhere i think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7417">TS</a>]
02:03:40 ◼ ► debut of Apple maps is that one of the greatest stories that's really never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7420">TS</a>]
02:03:44 ◼ ► been told you know from what I know I know more than what was in the story but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7424">TS</a>]
02:03:48 ◼ ► it's it's like nobody really has and part of the reason nobody has is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7428">TS</a>]
02:03:52 ◼ ► Scott Forstall has never broken his silence I even off the record like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7432">TS</a>]
02:03:57 ◼ ► stood to this date has never said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7437">TS</a>]
02:04:00 ◼ ► god damn thing about anything he's other than that when he popped up when he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7440">TS</a>]
02:04:05 ◼ ► producing that play on Broadway which at night exact Apple but he's never leaked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7445">TS</a>]
02:04:12 ◼ ► you know about his time at apple and my understanding again this isn't the was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7452">TS</a>]
02:04:17 ◼ ► not from a source that I could ever i guess i feel like i can podcast it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7457">TS</a>]
02:04:21 ◼ ► but I spoke to someone at am NOT high up it was just like a run-of-the-mill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7461">TS</a>]
02:04:26 ◼ ► person who worked at Apple but wasn't management and said that the word on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7466">TS</a>]
02:04:32 ◼ ► street in in an apple was that he had a two-year you know do you can't talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7472">TS</a>]
02:04:40 ◼ ► cause that's that gardening leave kind of getting what they're paying him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7480">TS</a>]
02:04:44 ◼ ► he doesn't say anything and that's part of a severance right that it was a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7484">TS</a>]
02:04:47 ◼ ► simple deal it was a dump truck full of cash and and you keep your mouth shut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7487">TS</a>]
02:04:53 ◼ ► for two years and that weekend but then even if thats off by a year to that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7493">TS</a>]
02:04:58 ◼ ► I you know I mean it's possible it is possible to keep your mouth shut about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7498">TS</a>]
02:05:03 ◼ ► yeah but that you can talk about yeah I don't know that's unlikely though you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7503">TS</a>]
02:05:08 ◼ ► know I mean it's it just seems like the lineout packages are usually and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7508">TS</a>]
02:05:11 ◼ ► it's by choice i think it's just you know it's that that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7511">TS</a>]
02:05:14 ◼ ► unsurprising that someone who is so successful under steve jobs for his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7514">TS</a>]
02:05:18 ◼ ► entire career and within Apple would it be of the nature to keep his mouth shut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7518">TS</a>]
02:05:24 ◼ ► even afterwards right it's how do you how do you feel accompany you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7524">TS</a>]
02:05:28 ◼ ► do you how does the company keep its mouth shut collectively by hiring people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7528">TS</a>]
02:05:31 ◼ ► who keep their mouth shut right so any impression my impression too is that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7531">TS</a>]
02:05:35 ◼ ► that maps may have been the precipitating factor for him to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7535">TS</a>]
02:05:38 ◼ ► kicked out but that that you know if this was a one mistake he had made that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7538">TS</a>]
02:05:43 ◼ ► he would still be there that was not this was the precipitation or not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7543">TS</a>]
02:05:46 ◼ ► not the crime but anyway all that is to say though that nobody could write the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7546">TS</a>]
02:05:50 ◼ ► definitive thing on maps unless they can get get forestall open up because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7550">TS</a>]
02:05:55 ◼ ► otherwise it it's all one sided you know and there is this you have throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7555">TS</a>]
02:05:58 ◼ ► forestall under the bus nature to what that is my understanding of actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7558">TS</a>]
02:06:04 ◼ ► the gist of it but like I don't have the part of it that doesn't get talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7564">TS</a>]
02:06:08 ◼ ► is that the whole negotiations with google aspect where their their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7568">TS</a>]
02:06:12 ◼ ► agreement with google use google maps in iOS was running out and needed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7572">TS</a>]
02:06:16 ◼ ► renewed and so Google new in Google knew that Apple wanted vector maps you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7576">TS</a>]
02:06:22 ◼ ► remember at the time they only had the bitmap maps so they wanted vector maps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7582">TS</a>]
02:06:25 ◼ ► and they wanted turn-by-turn directions and google was holding this over them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7585">TS</a>]
02:06:32 ◼ ► allowing google to get more user identifiable data like get people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7592">TS</a>]
02:06:37 ◼ ► sign into their google account and then using the built-in maps in iOS google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7597">TS</a>]
02:06:42 ◼ ► would have no information about you you know all of your location searches and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7602">TS</a>]
02:06:46 ◼ ► stuff like that which Apple didn't want to give them and so Apple because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7606">TS</a>]
02:06:51 ◼ ► this sort of knew that they had to switch to Apple maps ready as ready you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7611">TS</a>]
02:06:55 ◼ ► know make it as good as they can but we need to switch now because our contract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7615">TS</a>]
02:06:58 ◼ ► is up and we're at an impasse with google / getting the extension to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7618">TS</a>]
02:07:02 ◼ ► their stuff and to get that stuff that we need like turn-by-turn and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7622">TS</a>]
02:07:06 ◼ ► that so it wasn't like Apple collectively thought apple maps was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7626">TS</a>]
02:07:10 ◼ ► they knew that it was going to be a step backward but I from what I've heard this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7630">TS</a>]
02:07:15 ◼ ► from multiple people but that effectively but what Eddy Cue said is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7635">TS</a>]
02:07:20 ◼ ► very true that a senior executive level what they saw firsthand using the beta's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7640">TS</a>]
02:07:26 ◼ ► was pretty good yeah it really is pretty good and I know depending on where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7646">TS</a>]
02:07:30 ◼ ► are is listen to the show you really might not believe it but really right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7650">TS</a>]
02:07:33 ◼ ► from the get-go in the bay area it was pretty good i mean absolute you live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7653">TS</a>]
02:07:37 ◼ ► I live there and and people out to this day people do I can't believe you use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7657">TS</a>]
02:07:41 ◼ ► Apple maps I'm like well i live i live in our from Apple maps here pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7661">TS</a>]
02:07:46 ◼ ► that was never a question it's everywhere else in the world but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7666">TS</a>]
02:07:50 ◼ ► question and you know this is a you know obviously is a very complex story the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7670">TS</a>]
02:07:54 ◼ ► long story short they what they saw firsthand with the beta's was pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7674">TS</a>]
02:07:57 ◼ ► good forestall to did you know gave them an impression of how good they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7677">TS</a>]
02:08:01 ◼ ► worldwide which was you know raise your hand up to here when in fact it was way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7681">TS</a>]
02:08:06 ◼ ► lower like forced Alden did then again this is not forestall side of the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7686">TS</a>]
02:08:10 ◼ ► is what i've heard but that forestall led them to believe that the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7690">TS</a>]
02:08:14 ◼ ► data was better than it is not as good as Google not as good as it needed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7694">TS</a>]
02:08:18 ◼ ► but that it was better than it would be and that what further infuriated the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7698">TS</a>]
02:08:24 ◼ ► rest of the executive team was the amount of time that forestall and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7704">TS</a>]
02:08:27 ◼ ► had his team spend on the fancy pants flyover stuff right remember when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7707">TS</a>]
02:08:32 ◼ ► do first demo . yeah the most enforced all did the demo you know and as Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7712">TS</a>]
02:08:38 ◼ ► does this is you-know-who you know ever worked on it and let it is the one who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7718">TS</a>]
02:08:41 ◼ ► does the demo wasn't just like you're randomly assigned to do is look for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7721">TS</a>]
02:08:45 ◼ ► we spent a lot of time overseeing Apple maps and spent almost all this time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7725">TS</a>]
02:08:49 ◼ ► onstage demoing the fancy pants flyover stuff and that what I've heard is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7729">TS</a>]
02:08:55 ◼ ► the amount of time he spent in the demo on the fancy pants stuff was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7735">TS</a>]
02:08:59 ◼ ► commensurate with the amount of time as engineering team had spent working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7739">TS</a>]
02:09:02 ◼ ► that and there was you know as you know anger that hey we wasted all this time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7742">TS</a>]
02:09:08 ◼ ► on this flyover stuff and you people you know can't even get a direction from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7748">TS</a>]
02:09:13 ◼ ► it doesn't you know people people are being told to drive you know into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7753">TS</a>]
02:09:16 ◼ ► brick wall and then I have no idea the other thing that you know it's widely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7756">TS</a>]
02:09:22 ◼ ► reported I can't verify don't have first no don't I unless you get tim cook or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7762">TS</a>]
02:09:27 ◼ ► sports all to go on the record I don't know how you how you get it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7767">TS</a>]
02:09:30 ◼ ► record but there's that whole story that about the apology letter that Tim Cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7770">TS</a>]
02:09:34 ◼ ► ended up signing himself and that supposedly either forced always supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7774">TS</a>]
02:09:40 ◼ ► to sign it or he was supposed to co-sign it with cook and refused and if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7780">TS</a>]
02:09:44 ◼ ► true i've always flies in assuming that that's true that he was you know cook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7784">TS</a>]
02:09:49 ◼ ► wanted him to either sign of himself instead of him or cosine it with him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7789">TS</a>]
02:09:53 ◼ ► knowing Tim Cook I would be surprised if it was cosine because it doesn't see he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7793">TS</a>]
02:09:56 ◼ ► seems to me like I know the buck stops here but when the CEO asks you to sign a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7796">TS</a>]
02:10:02 ◼ ► letter apologizing for a a something your only choices are to sign it or to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7802">TS</a>]
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02:10:15 ◼ ► that he was taken by surprise by his eventual ouster later that year and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7815">TS</a>]
02:10:21 ◼ ► never heard anything to the contrary on that I it's shocking to me that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7821">TS</a>]
02:10:25 ◼ ► thought that he was like an indispensable man you know and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7825">TS</a>]
02:10:29 ◼ ► you know his years you know working under steve jobs may be misled him as to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7829">TS</a>]
02:10:33 ◼ ► his political stature within the company because there's I I don't see how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7833">TS</a>]
02:10:37 ◼ ► you know my CEO says sign an apology you you can't say no and expect to give your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7837">TS</a>]
02:10:42 ◼ ► job know that that seems pretty fundamental right that that at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7842">TS</a>]
02:10:47 ◼ ► point you need to own up to this and even if it's just like look we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7847">TS</a>]
02:10:51 ◼ ► make a message here we need to we need to explain to the customers that we hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7851">TS</a>]
02:10:55 ◼ ► them and it's almost defined of like no it's fine or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7855">TS</a>]
02:10:58 ◼ ► with denial or whatever it is but yet to be at that point also you could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7858">TS</a>]
02:11:04 ◼ ► could argue that maybe that is that is enough stuff built up with him that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7864">TS</a>]
02:11:09 ◼ ► maybe this was a like--look you're gonna do this this is this is your mess you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7869">TS</a>]
02:11:14 ◼ ► gonna clean it up and if you refuse that it's like okay I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7874">TS</a>]
02:11:18 ◼ ► wait there's no way forward format that there's that that's a symptom of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7878">TS</a>]
02:11:23 ◼ ► bigger problem right and that and the only way out apparently was to have him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7883">TS</a>]
02:11:27 ◼ ► leave anyway I thought so it was the baddest interesting an on-the-record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7887">TS</a>]
02:11:34 ◼ ► yeah i loved i love just line from Q that that uh it was good here and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7894">TS</a>]
02:11:40 ◼ ► lost perspective and that's one of the reasons we do public data is now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7900">TS</a>]
02:11:44 ◼ ► because we want more perspective and that's that was really that was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7904">TS</a>]
02:11:48 ◼ ► that was that was a that was a good thing to hear even though we all kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7908">TS</a>]
02:11:53 ◼ ► yeah it was good it was good to hear that they they have you know they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7913">TS</a>]
02:11:56 ◼ ► they've learned it and internalized it and change what they've done because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7916">TS</a>]
02:11:59 ◼ ► that lesson that they had to you know they got beat up for and overall I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7919">TS</a>]
02:12:02 ◼ ► really think Ted sell a painted an accurate picture of Apple as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7922">TS</a>]
02:12:05 ◼ ► currently is the big giant the company that they've you know that their success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7925">TS</a>]
02:12:10 ◼ ► inevitably led them to be and and you know why it means that they can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7930">TS</a>]
02:12:17 ◼ ► I creates a I think it's a good story and my quibbles about it are are ya are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7937">TS</a>]
02:12:23 ◼ ► are a lot of kind of just the order of it that I feel like he he seems i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7943">TS</a>]
02:12:28 ◼ ► know i'm not a big fan usually of the stories that take 500 words to paint a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7948">TS</a>]
02:12:31 ◼ ► picture of the smell of the of the of the food at the restaurant where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7951">TS</a>]
02:12:38 ◼ ► I don't unless unless you're gay talese right and mr. Sinatra has a cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7958">TS</a>]
02:12:42 ◼ ► see that's what I like it's that's exactly that's exactly what he's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7962">TS</a>]
02:12:46 ◼ ► right right yeah and it is and and if you like that sort of thing that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7966">TS</a>]
02:12:50 ◼ ► that that will work for you was never mind really my cup of tea but but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7970">TS</a>]
02:12:54 ◼ ► fact is that the the the apple executives he talked to were forthcoming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7974">TS</a>]
02:12:57 ◼ ► about things in a way that is not something we see very often man how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7977">TS</a>]
02:13:04 ◼ ► man me what is beam son-of-a-bitch he's blue stealing it they're that is total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7984">TS</a>]
02:13:10 ◼ ► he's gonna be your future is a male model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7990">TS</a>]
02:13:13 ◼ ► I haven't seen any means with it yet but it's inevitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7993">TS</a>]
02:13:16 ◼ ► somebody sent me one and and i think it was in the context of please make more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/7996">TS</a>]
02:13:21 ◼ ► memes with Craig federighi peace and like eyes and what he's you know he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8001">TS</a>]
02:13:26 ◼ ► staring at you he's got he's got his hand out on the table with the wedding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8006">TS</a>]
02:13:29 ◼ ► ring so its like sorry ladies any of the other thing about this way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8009">TS</a>]
02:13:34 ◼ ► impressed me but I liked was that I really think it serves the president how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8014">TS</a>]
02:13:37 ◼ ► many people read fast company but for somebody who's not as into apple is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8017">TS</a>]
02:13:41 ◼ ► try to be as certainly as you try to be as a more of a lay person and someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8021">TS</a>]
02:13:46 ◼ ► who might be prone to think like a apples you know that keep hearing bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8026">TS</a>]
02:13:50 ◼ ► stuff about Apple maybe they're in trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8030">TS</a>]
02:13:52 ◼ ► I think it was a very good way of upset of of putting their recent troubles in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8032">TS</a>]
02:13:57 ◼ ► context of where the company really is that this is a very good company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8037">TS</a>]
02:14:02 ◼ ► continues to thrive that has suffered some recent hiccups that it is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8042">TS</a>]
02:14:07 ◼ ► company that is in turmoil and if anything they're more stable than ever i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8047">TS</a>]
02:14:12 ◼ ► agree i mean i could even argue that the that the the article gives too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8052">TS</a>]
02:14:18 ◼ ► voice to be you know the other side of the sort of by discussing some of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8058">TS</a>]
02:14:22 ◼ ► really dumb arguments about Apple that they're giving it too much credence at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8062">TS</a>]
02:14:29 ◼ ► some point but I did appreciate that that he takes the time to back them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8069">TS</a>]
02:14:34 ◼ ► back them all down and say these are ridiculous arguments and yeah you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8074">TS</a>]
02:14:37 ◼ ► read about it a fortune but that doesn't mean that it's real and I think for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8077">TS</a>]
02:14:40 ◼ ► an audience of broader audience that that doesn't read the mac elope or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8080">TS</a>]
02:14:43 ◼ ► anything like that right there they're gonna go come out away from this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8083">TS</a>]
02:14:47 ◼ ► thinking oh i see now i understand more about what Apple's trying to do and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8087">TS</a>]
02:14:50 ◼ ► that they're there you know their sales are plummeting and it's a disaster and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8090">TS</a>]
02:14:55 ◼ ► they're doomed and I I value that story for you for doing it and being so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8095">TS</a>]
02:15:00 ◼ ► oh I know you gotta go I know that we've been going on a long time just briefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8100">TS</a>]
02:15:04 ◼ ► have you been have you been watching the olympics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8104">TS</a>]
02:15:06 ◼ ► yeah I've been I've been I've been trying to I mean how are you want it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8106">TS</a>]
02:15:11 ◼ ► not humanly possible to watch the olympics and all its places like 6,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8111">TS</a>]
02:15:14 ◼ ► take a human being who didn't sleep like eight months to watch all the land [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8114">TS</a>]
02:15:18 ◼ ► big stuff that's being made available on TV and I've had this but I had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8118">TS</a>]
02:15:22 ◼ ► primetime NBC on in the evening we have been watching a lot of other TV instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8122">TS</a>]
02:15:27 ◼ ► we've been you know kind of having that on while we're looking at stuff on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8127">TS</a>]
02:15:30 ◼ ► internet and ascertaining you know swimming and volleyball and whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8130">TS</a>]
02:15:34 ◼ ► then I've done some stuff with the with the apple TV streams and with on my iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8134">TS</a>]
02:15:38 ◼ ► to a little bit which is the great thing about having everything available on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8138">TS</a>]
02:15:42 ◼ ► video on the ipad or the apple TV here or on the web is you can pick a sport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8142">TS</a>]
02:15:48 ◼ ► like if you want to see a table tennis or rugby or whatever you know if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8148">TS</a>]
02:15:53 ◼ ► have some of those maybe on cable but all of them have a feed on the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8153">TS</a>]
02:15:58 ◼ ► I just can't help but think that the app is so bad it's the APIs comically bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8158">TS</a>]
02:16:03 ◼ ► like he really can't help but think that it was designed by people who really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8163">TS</a>]
02:16:08 ◼ ► want you to watch on regular to that I got a pretty good give it given the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8168">TS</a>]
02:16:12 ◼ ► that literally every item on the appletv says olympic sports like that's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8172">TS</a>]
02:16:18 ◼ ► level one header of every single item is olympic sport so you've got like 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8178">TS</a>]
02:16:21 ◼ ► items that just say olympic sports instead of what the sport is like what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8181">TS</a>]
02:16:26 ◼ ► don't even know what I'd really camp it's not a new feature i really can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8186">TS</a>]
02:16:29 ◼ ► believe that the ipad app doesn't support split screen view or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8189">TS</a>]
02:16:33 ◼ ► picture-in-picture yeah well as a guy i watch soccer i watch like english [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8193">TS</a>]
02:16:38 ◼ ► premier league soccer and they have all those games on there too and it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8198">TS</a>]
02:16:41 ◼ ► been like this i think it's because they're doing a custom video player so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8201">TS</a>]
02:16:43 ◼ ► that they can do their ad insertions and they want to stick a batter a banner ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8203">TS</a>]
02:16:47 ◼ ► on the screen next to their video and stuff like that so there are basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8207">TS</a>]
02:16:51 ◼ ► motivated to not do picture in picture and it drives me crazy because what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8211">TS</a>]
02:16:56 ◼ ► want to do is pop in picture-in-picture and do other stuff on the ipad which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8216">TS</a>]
02:16:59 ◼ ► the whole point of the feature and it was exactly i wanted to watch the u.s. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8219">TS</a>]
02:17:03 ◼ ► men play australia was a good basketball game yesterday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8223">TS</a>]
02:17:06 ◼ ► yeah and I thought this is a perfect reason i'm going to be this like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8226">TS</a>]
02:17:10 ◼ ► kids today I'm going to work on my iPad and this will be great except except it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8230">TS</a>]
02:17:14 ◼ ► doesn't support any of those features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8234">TS</a>]
02:17:16 ◼ ► nope oh yeah it's I I think you know they come a long way from the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8236">TS</a>]
02:17:22 ◼ ► from the pay-per-view triple cast all that and and I feel like Comcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8242">TS</a>]
02:17:27 ◼ ► actually now that they're running the show NBC there more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8247">TS</a>]
02:17:30 ◼ ► they're more open like they're running I don't know if you notice they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8250">TS</a>]
02:17:33 ◼ ► actually running sports in primetime on cable channels which they used to not do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8253">TS</a>]
02:17:37 ◼ ► like when it was on primetime on ABC seen everything else went dark like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8257">TS</a>]
02:17:40 ◼ ► everybody very quiet now we're gonna watch the Bob Costas and and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8260">TS</a>]
02:17:44 ◼ ► playing with that now and they've got this gold zone channel which is like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8264">TS</a>]
02:17:47 ◼ ► NFL redzone where you can theoretically just turn it on and it was just with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8267">TS</a>]
02:17:51 ◼ ► around all of the different venues and show you different stuff that's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8271">TS</a>]
02:17:54 ◼ ► live which is a really cool idea so I feel like in the end maybe the Olympics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8274">TS</a>]
02:17:59 ◼ ► is going to be best when it's completely nonlinear and that all the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8279">TS</a>]
02:18:05 ◼ ► that we have this linear is a best of the day recap which is the three hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8285">TS</a>]
02:18:10 ◼ ► in NBC primetime it if I think that may be the ultimate destination of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8290">TS</a>]
02:18:14 ◼ ► olympics and it and it was obvious that was the ultimate destination maybe like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8294">TS</a>]
02:18:17 ◼ ► 12 years ago but it it's taken till now for maybe for Comcast NBC to realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8297">TS</a>]
02:18:22 ◼ ► it's the obvious destination it it's just so frustrating because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8302">TS</a>]
02:18:26 ◼ ► obviously not for lack of money this is a multi-billion dollar operation so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8306">TS</a>]
02:18:33 ◼ ► and it just screams for it it is like in the old days before the internet it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8313">TS</a>]
02:18:38 ◼ ► trying to cover all of these sports from all these countries on a TV channel is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8318">TS</a>]
02:18:44 ◼ ► where's the internet this is the perfect solution you can watch your favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8324">TS</a>]
02:18:47 ◼ ► sport and you can see your country you know it it's so poorly done up it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8327">TS</a>]
02:18:53 ◼ ► me frustrated i feel like i'm actually a little optimistic now because I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8333">TS</a>]
02:18:56 ◼ ► like they've got the pieces in place now and that maybe they even realize we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8336">TS</a>]
02:18:59 ◼ ► there where where they need to head head ultimately they're always gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8339">TS</a>]
02:19:03 ◼ ► issues people get frustrated by it's like they put they spend billions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8343">TS</a>]
02:19:05 ◼ ► dollars for this so they're going to be ads and they're going to have stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8345">TS</a>]
02:19:08 ◼ ► that's beyond behind the cable login because it's comcast I spent a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8348">TS</a>]
02:19:12 ◼ ► money they're going to get their money back one way or another they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8352">TS</a>]
02:19:15 ◼ ► get they're gonna make their money back but I feel like now they are headed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8355">TS</a>]
02:19:20 ◼ ► the right direction where this could actually be good maybe in two or four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8360">TS</a>]
02:19:23 ◼ ► years where they like fully embrace the internet especially if there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8363">TS</a>]
02:19:26 ◼ ► olympics i don't know what the next Olympics is but when when there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8366">TS</a>]
02:19:29 ◼ ► that's completely off time zones from the United States yeah I feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8369">TS</a>]
02:19:33 ◼ ► feel like then they're really going to be able to embrace it because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8373">TS</a>]
02:19:36 ◼ ► gonna have to because you know nobody's gonna nobody's gonna wanna the prime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8376">TS</a>]
02:19:40 ◼ ► time steps and gonna be not live at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8380">TS</a>]
02:19:44 ◼ ► maybe then anyway I will say one good thing about being a comcast customer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8384">TS</a>]
02:19:48 ◼ ► i think i think this is what happened when I did authenticate with the app for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8388">TS</a>]
02:19:53 ◼ ► my cable subscription I didn't have to sign in with username and password i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8393">TS</a>]
02:19:56 ◼ ► think that comcast somehow figured out you know that I'm not you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8396">TS</a>]
02:19:59 ◼ ► could tell them on a comcast network and yeah good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8399">TS</a>]
02:20:02 ◼ ► yeah yeah me too and that was that was good because sometimes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8402">TS</a>]
02:20:05 ◼ ► authentication thing is though is the most broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8405">TS</a>]
02:20:07 ◼ ► yeah especially at high at high times where everybody's trying to login those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8407">TS</a>]
02:20:11 ◼ ► things tend to break so i think yeah it looks and says you're on a comcast IP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8411">TS</a>]
02:20:17 ◼ ► ah I i want to say congratulations you your upgrade podcast I've the one i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8417">TS</a>]
02:20:23 ◼ ► mentioned listening to his episode 101 you guys had a hundred episodes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8423">TS</a>]
02:20:27 ◼ ► upgrade you and Mike early so that means two years its you've been going indie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8427">TS</a>]
02:20:33 ◼ ► what is 101 it's 55 I completely I'm yeah I'm really bad i'm really that Isle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8433">TS</a>]
02:20:41 ◼ ► I could work it out right like one and then 10 is and I was like oh yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8441">TS</a>]
02:20:47 ◼ ► yeah it's coming up you do a podcast every every weekend it totals upto it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8447">TS</a>]
02:20:52 ◼ ► almost the reason I know that September ninth is when they did the event not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8452">TS</a>]
02:20:55 ◼ ► just last year but the year before is because that was basically my last day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8455">TS</a>]
02:20:58 ◼ ► at macworld yeah was tempered night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8458">TS</a>]
02:21:01 ◼ ► no I of 14 so it's been almost almost two years now of doing this which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8461">TS</a>]
02:21:08 ◼ ► it's been great like you know I i think i've said this before but yet you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8468">TS</a>]
02:21:12 ◼ ► obviously an inspiration for me to go out and try to do this on my own and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8472">TS</a>]
02:21:16 ◼ ► have i've got you know I've got two kids that are going to be headed off to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8476">TS</a>]
02:21:19 ◼ ► college in the next few years and um I live in the bay area which is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8479">TS</a>]
02:21:23 ◼ ► expensive place to live in my wife doesn't have a full-time job and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8483">TS</a>]
02:21:27 ◼ ► very stressful but we have managed to make it work for two years and my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8487">TS</a>]
02:21:31 ◼ ► was just saying to me the other day you know I i was very much in the let's give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8491">TS</a>]
02:21:37 ◼ ► she said when we started this and now she's coming out of that mode and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8497">TS</a>]
02:21:40 ◼ ► it's working which is great and you know you never know what's gonna happen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8500">TS</a>]
02:21:44 ◼ ► you you know better than anyone you gotta watch everything and keep in mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8504">TS</a>]
02:21:48 ◼ ► like what if this happens and what if that happens but it's been great that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8508">TS</a>]
02:21:51 ◼ ► I've been able to actually live my life and do stuff that I love which i kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8511">TS</a>]
02:21:56 ◼ ► good job i know that feeling yeah you got it you know I I when I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8516">TS</a>]
02:22:02 ◼ ► full-time during fireball I don't even think I was doing a podcast yet have who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8522">TS</a>]
02:22:06 ◼ ► if I was those like the whole first runner that show with Dan Benjamin we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8526">TS</a>]
02:22:11 ◼ ► didn't have we never had a single sponsor we did we sure kind of put some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8531">TS</a>]
02:22:14 ◼ ► feelers out and people were like podcast so we just stay with us we'll just do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8534">TS</a>]
02:22:18 ◼ ► for fun you know I mean I go I mean literally I guess we lost money on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8538">TS</a>]
02:22:22 ◼ ► show because you know we you know whatever we paid for web hosting and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8542">TS</a>]
02:22:26 ◼ ► I think like Amazon storage you know right it i never went full-time during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxzUopE/8546">TS</a>]
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