00:00:00 ◼ ► every mac user is the smugness bastard in the world viruses never affect us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► were immune to whatever and the reality of course is some people feel that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► most people who looked at the situation all know that we're not immune we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► just really lucky it's the targets been small apple does a good job upgrading in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/14">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► pushing people to upgrade the support systems back many years the target is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/18">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► small this usually not worthwhile for malware makers to target us so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/23">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► been our immunity is because we're in significant as a target not necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/28">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► an absolute numbers this new thing is this group at cisco tell us callous they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/32">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► are one of many no security firms it's constantly researching for weaknesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/38">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► usually to help clients there they are trying to make sure their clients are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/42">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► protected they find something dispela who add some communication with tyler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/46">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► bowen found five previously undiscovered fairly severe flaws in the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/50">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► image format files get parsed and the trouble was like three or four them were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/57">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► reasonably severe but you kind of open a file and whatever but there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/64">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► related to tiff John you've been using tip for your whole life right since your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/67">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► ancient format so there's a part of the something in the parser it if you use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/73">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► tiled tiff file and its format in this very specific malicious fashion the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/77">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► and ostensibly OS 10 and probably I think the other two S's are also patch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/83">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► TV OS and watching us if it's rendered it will actually think in that case it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/87">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► a memory as a buffer overflow usual typical old thing and it can allow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/93">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► potential for malicious code executes and you know take control machine and do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/97">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► whatever and just by displaying image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/101">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► yeah here's the reason it's considered particularly insidious you could load it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/104">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► with a web page in safari you could have MS just open and somebody could text you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/107">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► know send you a text message with the tip in it is a few other vectors merely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/113">TS</a>]
00:01:57 ◼ ► by rendering the preview it would have to parse the file enough that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/117">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► condition could be exploited that sounds pretty horrific right that's and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/121">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► why it was considered it's considered very severe and some discussion about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/126">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► and apples patched they use responsible disclosure it's not a zero-day there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/132">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► experts in the wild and if you update to all the all the current os's if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/138">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► update the latest micro release you are protected against that particular tiff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/144">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► exploit as well as the other four image format related exploits I have so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/148">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► follow . all right by the way BMP format BMP is actually also affected which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/152">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► kind of hilarious like Tiffany happy nobody's looking at them and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/158">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► they're just old implementations let me see if I can keep my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/161">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► one of them is yes I used to use ad as you know and i know you have the ink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/166">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► stained hands as well if I came from a world of print design and in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/171">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► of print design in the nineties tiff was the de facto format from at least four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/175">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► lineart yeah for any kind of bitmap everything went from through photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/181">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► into tiff before it went into production but it's sort of a notorious for file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/188">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► format because I seem to recall vaguely that over the years they've been an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/193">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► awful awful lot of security issues like this that have to do with tiff person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/197">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► that is my rolodex as well I didn't go back and look it up but I i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/203">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► that old code thing like people wrote to parsers in 1980-something early 1990s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/207">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► early nineteen eighties maybe probably late nineties and the parsers the basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/213">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► code is probably mostly unchanged a lot of ways for 30 years and it's probably a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/217">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► very difficult formats probably have ported formats back that's my guess that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/221">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► therefore it makes it hard to write the easy to write a not easy to write hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/226">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► to write a parser and easy to make mistakes with memory management in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/232">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► handling of the parser so when i get there is another point because it's such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/238">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► a weird old format and it's that was never really part of the web in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/241">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► anyway I'm very surprised that iOS and watch us even have to park encode have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/246">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► this is part of the unlike the quick look thing they like everything in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/254">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► the different os's support quick look for you know every major filetype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/258">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► include some weird image formats and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/262">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► the things that you know might never be previewing but you can preview of raw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/265">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► images in some cases PNG's down a DNG files for the digital formats and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/269">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► PNG by the White Way when that specification portable network graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/276">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► that's kind of tips replacement because it has all the different kinds of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/279">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► did lossless and lossy and different alphabet whatever in the specifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/284">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► I met one of the people who wrote the spec years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/288">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► nineteen nineties it says ping is pronounced ping in the specs there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/290">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► mhm how else could you pronounce it PNG i guess i don't know you're the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/295">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► yeah the only other way i could think you could pronounce it would be $TIME [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/303">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► p.m. or just saying the initials PNG i pronounce a pan i don't know it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/305">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► ping is in just pinning it pain is an odd historical success because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/313">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► times when when people get together in the open and say you know it's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/319">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► even like an xkcd comic about it where it's like way too many specs and they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/324">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► stick you know what the solution is a nose back at you just add to the pile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/328">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► but usually even if it's a noble goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/334">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► whereas ping had the noble goal of saying we've got a couple of bitmap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/336">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► image files formats that are out there being used and they are all terrible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/340">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► certain for one reason or another web we had gif files and don't even tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/347">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► that you're just person haha my car you are you just person I'm choosy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/351">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► programmers choose Jeff that's if it's a graphic image change interchange format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/356">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► anyway it's a GIF file terrible just a I mean I read this format i mean we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/362">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► i mean it's it's goofy yours it was great it was going to tell you serve its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/373">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► June it was created for computer because it was a copy serve user were you I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/379">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► remember when you come down i was never unconscious sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/384">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► ok now i cant for a long time I can remember my 5 comma 4 digit address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/386">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► because with seven have totally lost that's where the promised Asia cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/391">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► copies of like you said but I'm copy sir it was great with style up we had like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/396">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► 10 12 hundred bog modems or 12 her bps modem something like that it was a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/401">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► compact format when you had it was rendered you know rendered in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/406">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► made sense a client at a time and/or interlacing was not all your kingship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/410">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► most computer you had most computers only had 16 color displays so did ya it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/414">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► was her for the day and it's astonishing that it still is great but ya ping and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/419">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► remember the most boring thing in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/424">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► this lzw algorithm was not handed and units just try to enforce it and pink as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/426">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► an outcome I efforts to patent patent expired in $YEAR had to look it up 2003 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/431">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► because I'm going off but that was part of the issues like tiff used lzw which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/436">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► meant to be licensed shift was being attacked or potentially unisys wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/441">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► license it i believe lcw may have been one of the early attempts to one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/446">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► issues like businessmen not business method patents but it was a software is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/450">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► patent algorithm patents there are some issues there anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/454">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► yeah and if your matter that historically ever getting sidetracked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/457">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► here but it's all good stuff that know that his it was it was a big story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/459">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► locally because unisys is a philadelphia-area company stay where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/464">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► don't know if they still are so it was a big story locally but the gist of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/468">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► that they own the patents behind her or patents that were part of fundamental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/473">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► part of the jif gif format Patrick ice something I and they never enforced it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/477">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► and it you know people there were the gift is being displayed and parsed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/488">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► created you know and every image editing tool and it was all over the place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/495">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► then netscape added you know put support in to render them in you know mosaic or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/500">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► whatever that you know whatever the first one of their browsers that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/507">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► images which was a big deal it was actually a big deal when they added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/509">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► image tags to it to the web browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/513">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► nah I and they waited until like all of a sudden like when the internet exploded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/517">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► no like Adam banks internet book and everybody is like I'm gonna get on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/525">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► internet bill gates is writing a memo that we're going to you know turn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/530">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► whole you know Microsoft around at the internet internet internet and then all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/533">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► of a sudden somebody at unit systems like a we own a patent for this and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/537">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► wet the the open community responded so we've got to create a new format and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/543">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► they did it they did it quickly they got support into all the tools quickly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/547">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► yeah king took over the world as it was supposed to very quickly and that almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/552">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► it's where ping is such a great format a lot of ways I mean I think it's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/560">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► that it didn't actually ultimately replace everything except i'll accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/563">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► jpg but it's just it's great this all the different kinds you know two modes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/567">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► you can do 24-bit with alpha transparency and it's just it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/571">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► quite as compact i think is just for the same thing but uh yeah patents patents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/577">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► uh actually almost came up remember with them the the committee that runs the was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/583">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► H dot 264 whatever the underlying patterns are there there's a patent pool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/589">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► but i think there was one point there was a question about whether if you used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/593">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► if you displayed H dot 264 video on your site without going through a third party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/597">TS</a>]
00:10:02 ◼ ► package like adobe flash for instance which wrapped it that you might actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/602">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► go separate licensing fees and using flash one of the reasons that flash was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/607">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► successful is because adobe handle the licensing for video pads or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/612">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► they said they did I think that fact was overlooked because the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/617">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► flashes are terrible but it meant there was no if you are you know CBS or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/621">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► something if you put in flash your lawyers must have assured you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/625">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► it's cool we only fees if you use html5 as if they existed to show you how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/628">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► directly stream that kind of format i think there might have been a patent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/634">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► issue that's been resolved since the patent holders changed it so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/638">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► wouldn't go poop in the pool but not remember that you know it's it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/641">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► a good sign when the lawyers are making engineering decisions for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/644">TS</a>]
00:10:49 ◼ ► yeah it's great your web technologies it's great i let it know what could go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/649">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► all right back to the security issues so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/654">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► so all of Apple's operating systems were vulnerable to this that so is that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/657">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► the current ones and also to previous version of OS 10 were tested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/665">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► it's possible that older versions are also vulnerable and they just didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/669">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► test him i don't have clarity on that because the particular library may go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/673">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► back a bazillion you know years could be back to 10 . six or ten dunno falling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/677">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► out but there are no actual exploits in the wild right or not least none that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/682">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► are known number known as possible so i talked to the folks at that this car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/690">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► division directly because i could not find a small discovered so you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/696">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► something happens way to apple and the new story is Apple computers person to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/700">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► flame that's like the next day like was one computer lab it was very controlled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/705">TS</a>]
00:11:48 ◼ ► circumstance they had no Apple computers person if I'm so the apple releases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/708">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► these updates and then the engineer at cisco alright sweet alice is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/713">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► division he writes up AI the guys in charge this team would is credited with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/716">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► the discovery by apple so it meant he is responsible disclosure reported months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/720">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► ago Apple patches all over the school he breaks up a very detailed blog post that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/725">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► explains the severity and it has some details about exactly what gets dumped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/728">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► core dump information in your traces and things and people like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/733">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► register and Forbes whatever right these it stage fright for Apple's I know which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/738">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► is android still is wrestling with stage fright which was an mms deliverable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/743">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► among other factors of a way to you send a deliciously formatted message for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/748">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► android 2.2 and every subsequent system and the problem with upgrading older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/753">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► Android systems and on and on right so stage fright remains it's possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/758">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► there's a couple hundred million Android devices that remains susceptible to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/762">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► stage fright a big deal and there were viruses that were discovered in the wild [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/766">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► within I think week so the first stage right right release and then months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/770">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► later some more for under devices that couldn't be patched this touches on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/774">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► a very most precious pet themes in and what I write about like in media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/780">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► criticism which is movable false equivalence yeah and and it's a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/787">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► issue in politics and it's definitely an issue in the tech world to and it's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/791">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► idea that to be fair or or Senate more cynically to to sensationalize the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/796">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► because I think everybody knows that putting apple into headlines get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/804">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► clicks it so Android had stage fright our has stage fright you know it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/808">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► this issue that is actually being exploited in the world and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/817">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► lots not most you know I'm not nobody's saying that every android phone out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/822">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► there is hacked or even most of them are but there are many people with android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/827">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► devices that have malware and perhaps even unbeknownst to the user because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/831">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► this exploit then Apple has this suit you know Cisco discovers this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/836">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► security problem in Apple's operating systems and it's presented as though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/841">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► it's you know like you just said they are actually calling it apple's version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/846">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► even though there aren't any no next . right the wrap that writes great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/850">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► narrative and there are similarities except sandboxing and code signing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/853">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► so forth there's a lot of spaces that are different in terms of Android deals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/860">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► with incoming everything or malicious software that's trying to execute on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/864">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► system this other protections even if you managed to deliver a payload you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/868">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► made us crash process right so that you know I talked to the engineer i went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/872">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► back and forth through email had to go through the PR folks and you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/876">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► like is there a proof of concept because with stage fright the researchers we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/879">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► that deliver an effective price of proof of concept showing not just they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/883">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► crash a process or overwrite a buffer but they can actually commit acts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/886">TS</a>]
00:14:50 ◼ ► gain root if i recall some Android systems you get root and some behalf you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/890">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► could take control of the microphone and things like that so there are ways to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/896">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► get access to system resources even if you couldn't potentially gain root and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/899">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► the talus researcher said you know in fact we have a no provable exploit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/904">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► with safari know is 10 and the reporting had been about ms but they're here they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/911">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► have no expert for that they think there are some major hurdles in the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/917">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► might be able to overcome they weren't focusing on that because the news is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/921">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► gonna patch they focused on something where they had a path already do it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/924">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► suspect the Safari + OS 10 pathway would also let them exploit iOS and safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/928">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► mobile safari they haven't tested it but everything seems the same they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/934">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► there may be a few more bars in the way there to that can be overcome this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/938">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► all with the unpatched version so you know the truth is this is that is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/941">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► back to the beginning is it's a severe bug or a few years ago Apple had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/944">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► Wi-Fi bugs where you could drive by and do terrible things to someone's Wi-Fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/949">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► network and gain access and you know do all kinds of stuff to an airport base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/954">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► station or Mac I'm sorry Macintosh's if you could ask a naxx you know just put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/958">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► physical proximity and it's tara tests especially terrifying because you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/961">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► actually have to be in their house you just have to be within range of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/964">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► Wi-Fi which could be you know in a car in front of the house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/967">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► yes but high gain antenna at the window and you can do it and those they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/971">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► patched and people have the same argument then this happened since I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/975">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► think a lot of times is how severe is if the threat is over it's like well this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/978">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► is very severe we don't know the it's it's severe as exploit you know these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/982">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► things really are doing something really terribly wrong they shouldn't do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/987">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► shouldn't be in the code that's true and conceivably it's a pathway the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/990">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► now where could be developed that would then take advantage of it we could find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/997">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► out how severe in practice it is in theory it's very severe but because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► responsible disclosure and apple being able to patch it in a timely manner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► there's no evidence anything is in the wild that said this is the kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► when the was it a blanket on the group in Italy that had all its files have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► been expecting a hacking team hack something like that yeah those guys and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► it went through some other outfits that leaked information these you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► there's all these companies its individual researchers and companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► that exist to find 0 days and sell them to governments right and governments are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► it's possible things like this are already completely known even to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► multiple parties and they're being deployed against some Iranian official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► or American official or chinese official or a company for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► you know for a industrial espionage it's being specifically deployed in a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► quiet way in which allows them to exfiltrate information or or you know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► tap communications but the idea it's not if that's the case that has been found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► you maybe we'll now the biggest known virus signatures will get updated people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► yeah there's the the most obvious source of malware the one that we see and hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► about most often is the one that sort of stuff that sort of out in the open where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► it's it's just almost like you almost want to say like more like common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► criminals who either find exploits like this that you can go through you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► webpage or certainly you know email click link you know click this link in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► an email and if you're using a certain type of computer that has known exploit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► just by clicking the link you know your your you've got malware on your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► and what does the malware do a lot of times it's setups like a botnet or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► something like that and it's it's like a shotgun approach to the crime where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► they're trying to just get hundreds and thousands of random people they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► even care who you are to run this and you know it's still your bitcoins or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► whatever they want to do that's the you know the stuff that we see the part that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► you know it the paranoid part of my mind is the well what about the Chinese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► government the Chinese government would be you know who are they employing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► people to find exploits like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► I of course they're right i mean who does anybody believe they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► does anybody think the NSA doesn't have a really really smart people doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► exactly the same thing you know and then there's the company's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► government but companies like the hacking team that you mentioned that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► you know two governments and stuff like that but you know find these 0 days and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► then hold you know instead of letting them loose they they're like a precious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► commodity i mean i think last year somebody was actually like in the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► was saying you know what I we're going to pay a million dollars if you can find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► yeah yeah I mean you know a legitimate I mean sort of legitimate I mean it's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► scummy underside of the world but you know at a serious offer legitimate offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► four million dollars if you could deliver them and exploit that would let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► them do I was Lindsay just that jailbreaking often false that registers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► companies and make a lot of money off third-party app stores for jailbroken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► iphones I think and so there's money to be made if you get the the exploit first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► the jailbreak pathways first some of them self jailbreaking is funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► jailbreaking went for a very interesting enterprise in the early days something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► that is now all meshed in viruses and criminal enterprise and so for him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► either still I'm sure legit people out there doing jailbreaking but everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► I read about it makes it sound like you don't know when you download the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► jailbreak tools I what they're going to do i was talking to a friend of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► Craig Hockenberry at yes WWDC and we were laughing thinking like reminiscing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► to 10 years ago when the iphone was knew about how we all jailbroken phones like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► yeah we all jailbroke our phones at the moment for the the first seat for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► conference because it did somebody had created like a the lights-out game there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► and it was really nice game i guess just like there was no it was no there was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► xcode for iOS yet I mean do some really smart example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► yeah and there were no public no public tools at all to create iOS software and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► somehow my god and and Craig eventually you know why during the jailbreak Eric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► got a terrific working so I kind of course so of course i jailbroke my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► phones and then I had a iphone with terrific on it and this is before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► could you know have apps I mean of course i jailbroke but it was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► it just seemed it was a lot easier to innocent days better when it was just us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► kids playing around with the phone sidebar counselor eff has just filed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► lawsuit about section 1201 of the dmca which are sure you're aware of i saw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► announcement yeah it's this video dmca Digital Millennium Copyright Act which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► constitutional piece of legislation has never been fully tested at the Supreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► I gotta say there's so many things in there that that i give $MONEY for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1317">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► privilege commercial speech at the in the face of free speech and whenever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► I've seen anything like it has been decided by high court's you know either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► appeals or up the Supreme Court it's usually even if I don't agree with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► decision entirely usually opens up the way for more speech be more encoded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► speech sort of now be encoded at a certain level of going to the court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► systems even if it's not fully understood so one provision of the dmca [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► is this reverse engineering thing related to digital rights management if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:28 ◼ ► you put drm on something as a manufacturer it's illegal and you can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1348">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► sent to jail for years for 4 i'm sorry for years not four years i forgot see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► it's like five years like if you reverse engineering even for yourself like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► the privacy of your own home FBI breaks and you've been breaking drm and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► distributing it you go to jail and there's a provision called section 1201 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► which is the most hilarious thing in the world every three years more or less the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► Library of Congress held hearings not been personally the last you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1375">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► just got a new one in this awesome the Senate actually approved the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► confirmation the Library of Congress understands technology has run a library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► system she's the voice of the future this is gonna be great the guy has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► charged for decades has been kind of a know-nothing light just terrible in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► terms of Technology I great terms of books anyway so the section 1201 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► hearings it's a circus you have the process described in the law is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► the library of congress created a process that basically people who object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► to limitations and want to get them removed temporarily only for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► three-year period have to essentially file something like a legal brief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► although can be in more plain language explaining why there is a legitimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► public interest to be served in providing exemption and then the library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► and cost of the circus they have hearings and people pray through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► they testify and their last time I think there are 47 different sub group of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► items being presented and it's just and it's you know farming it's companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1435">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► like john deere who have drm on their tractors automakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► you game makers the printer companies as well as the software and you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► iphone locking the rest of it and then there's people who you know file these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► objections and there's back and forth and then the library of congress issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► a set of rules about what's going to be exempted if anything in the next year . [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► a ridiculous process so the eff is suing basically on the unconstitutionality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► the of this provision and if it were struck down or even minimize it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► dramatically enhance the ability of people to do self-repair which is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► know what Halloween's that I fix it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► he's been a huge proponent deeply active in this process and you can read a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► of stuff about right to repair that relates a lot to do around these days I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► i did specific provision in the d digital dmca 90cm he do that digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► because it was Millennium Copyright with Sonny care of Sonny Bono was involved in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► that one but maybe my Sonny Bono law also that's different I it specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► it more or less outlaws backwards reverse-engineering how drm works and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► the reverse engineering is it you know here you've got this thing you own it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► you are you allowed to try to figure out how it works and and that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► that's I think that's been considered part of you know I guess free speech but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► certainly seems like something that you know I don't know the engineering the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► objects to we've got this magic thing called you no copyright for our movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► and music and it gets a special exemption for this that nothing else has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► yeah and you know i just learned something in it and that's terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► because it keeps innovation you how did everything interesting happen that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► going on you know some people . two giant corporate research labs so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► interesting things we're doing a technology came from people tinkering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► that little stuff that they took apart right i saw Kate McKinnon who I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► we're going to talk about Ghostbusters later right we'll talk because i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► not seen the movie what movie will talk about it earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► okay yeah i am one of my one of the few people still watches SNL i watch it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► learn and I wife we fast we tape it we watch it like a few days later we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► fast-forward through the bad stuff there are a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► the great performers a lot of people our age have given up an SNL longer okay I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► not we're we're big SNL fans here oh good yeah I think it's hit or miss as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► you know sometimes you're watching entire upstairs like where I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► another time you're crying for its always been like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► it's always better totally right i have this i have the same memory of no wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► always thought was so Kate McKennon you love her there because you watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► she's an incredible mimic and I think she's great and ghostbusters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► she is such a senior interviewed I just think she is so great and worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► beginning of her breakout part of her career like Kristen Wiig already had ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► this is a so kate mccann and I see this interview she's on the red carpet for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► Ghostbusters in this tiny little girl must be like eight or nine is doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► interviews and chic ask a mechanic question Katie can look so touched in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► lobby and the books that are very seriously and give to this answer in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► girls said what it was like to work on all this cool technology in the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► Kate McKinnon said when I was a kid I used to love to take things apart radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► things that look at the circuit boards or whatever in this whole movie walk-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► everything is circuit boards and it's just like it was a dream was like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► childhood again something like that and i'm thinking that is the kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► that kids kids today they don't know they're not encouraged to take things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► apart they could actually violating the law if they were to know the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► side to circumvent things literally this kids could be violating federal law for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► doing stuff that you are I did yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► and although millions and millions of other children is certainly the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► that the overwhelming majority of all people have almost no curiosity about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► how things work which is fine with right but for the minority of people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► curious about how things work those also tend to be the sort of people who create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► new things you know and I mean you could I think you could find that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► creative people in like you said entertainers even entertainers that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► just like a mindset of i would like to take that apart i said is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► refinishing tables to she's got a crafty aspect or she does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► um so my take on it is that I i think it's it is object philosophically to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► idea that you should outlaw being able to take things apart and figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► they work but on the flip side i also think that the people who make things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► as difficult to take apart or is you know you know like in the case with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:36 ◼ ► apple and cellphone encryption that if Apple can figure out a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1716">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► mathematically make the contents of a phone effectively unbreakable encryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► wise they have the right to do that and the NSA has a right to try to find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► holes in their logic and yeah I don't think manufacturers should be obliged to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► make it easy i think that could be a marketing strategy and some do that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► was talking to a company that I can't reveal that said because of various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► regulations they're not allowed to promote the fact that their product is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► modifiable because it would actually put them in violation and put new regulatory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► however they can make their product by a modifiable including the firmware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► they just can't say anything about it so they're actually doing everything they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► a great example is that I can talk about its chumby which is funny how long is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► one of the plaintiffs in the eff suit is coming out a bunny lose the singapore in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► singapore close to change and all the time he's a hands-on designer has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► designing an open laptop this is fascinating is not a little ideology in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► it but it's also an incredible technical exercise he was one of the people behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► chumby which was originally this kind of soft alarm clock that you could make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► yeah he went through a lot of revisions it's still out there company so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► left everything in such a state that when the product didn't succeed people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► could keep it alive and then a new company came in to support it and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► companies now making new chunky stuff and running the servers because enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► was open and available i don't think the whole thing was open source of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► forgetting all the details but they left everything open enough and then I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► when it was sitting down they opened it even further and like that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► wonderful things as a company you could choose to do that but you can also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► choose to be no rat bastards or pursue security let's say whatever you want and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► not make it easy that's totally I mean I don't I don't think being there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► difference there like should Apple allow third-party apps that are not Sultanate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► storage it's a non appstore apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► that's a whole interesting debate and there's an argument to be made that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► should be required even if they have to put hurdles in and switches and you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► to agree you're gonna void your warranty or whatever that's separate from should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► its firmware be you know hackable that's a very different situation they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► shouldn't pursue people who have broken into it that's where the drm issue lies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► rather than they should make it easy which is a sort of philosophical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► alright and that's where I disagree with the judge's name wines from the mac fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► it was so yeah I yeah I fix all rights it like the pentalobe screw thing was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► big that was an inflection point right is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► Apple switch two pentalobe screws it was hard to get such a screw driver than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► fix it made it which is great but Kyle maintain I think that final right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► he he he said apples doing this to make it hard to repair some people said maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1881">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► it's because it's easier to do machine creation but that was your machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► assembly that's who knows but it definitely made it harder repair and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► then you know kind of screwdrivers got made and now it's possible that i agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► that Apple probably does some things to make it harder for third-party Ferb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► consumers and third parties to make changes in other things i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► they don't care they just engineer it because they know they can repair it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► they don't give a damn it's hard because they'll take care of it right i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► that there's that it's funny because that's a perfect example and I'd I try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► to be like this as much as i can so i disagree with with kyle on it on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► take on this but I'm intrigued by his argument and ya know ya know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► think that I don't just say this guy's an idiot I i disagree with them i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► believe that he's wrong but i always do enjoy reading his pieces arguing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► who's pushing he pushes the he pushes the envelope in a way that's good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► everybody even if you disagree with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► there's nothing wrong with the idea that Apple could roll back to Phillips head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► screws like that doesn't make things worse for anyone even if you disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► with why they switch the pendulum I want to . since we're sidebar suicide bombing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► cyber there's a great piece about warranties and motherboard last month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► and if you saw this how Sony Microsoft and other gadget makers violate federal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► warranty law and i'm going to send you a URL is a great piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► I never knew this most of all the things that's a break the seal and you violate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► weren't here actually either illegal or unenforceable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► I had no idea the widest already there 97 lock all the Magnusson moss Warranty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► Act federal law says you can open your electronics without voiding the warranty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► regardless of what the language of that warranty says people should read this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► because i was at my mind blown every single hard drive ever purchased has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► sticker like that somewhere on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► mhm but i always thought that it was kind of reasonable for like a hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► because it especially in the spinning disk ear if you open up if you get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► the point where we open up and expose the disc and it and it picks up dust and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► then doesn't work right well why shouldn't your want to do yeah it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► that but it's the thing is the warranty isn't de facto violated by the by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► breaking the seal and that the thing and or even repair that the the article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► notes they got some great you know liability lawyers better lawyers talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► about is the manufacturer has to prove that you're whatever you did cause the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► so they can do that they can say there's just on the drive wasn't originally it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► works when you got it so screw and I see that it was going back to Kyle whines I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► i think his argument would be bolstered if he stopped attributing malice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► apple and simply stated why he thinks these would be better devices with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► standard screws and I know one of his other Bugaboos is the use of glue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► oh yeah you know and did you know make that just make the argument that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► would be a better device for everybody if you know they stopped using glue and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► stuff like that and you instead of saying it that they're doing this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► make it hard to repair Apple does not care about the repair shops they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► yeah they did give know shits it's not me yeah and yeah it's also like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► a case I this is I mr. not a sidebar swear to god I'm like the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► parentheses nesters you know but while take Iran this great piece set i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► that 538 I think that's right about these great i love this writing and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► wrote this thing about how IMDb movies movie scores are are sunk by mail trolls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► because a to the analysis and you can see that men more highly downvote orchid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► poor ratings to movies that women like better than in women do not do the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► mail films films that men like better so you can look at films that more men have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► seen this gender split you know and so forth and that you can do that analysis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:15 ◼ ► and figured out and the article is really interesting but the one thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2115">TS</a>]
00:35:18 ◼ ► disagree with them as he was attributing malice he said effectively that men are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2118">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► trolling as opposed to internalizing their own toxic masculinity and voting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► stuff down because they thought no one should see it sort of ghostbusters thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► again like well if you haven't seen the movie and you're voting 23 your kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► the troll but some people may have been it may have seen it you don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► many haven't seen it how have and whatever I feel like the same thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► a bit with people who attribute things to apple if you know if you could pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► it out and say I talk to are you know in a plunger goes public is i worked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:51 ◼ ► Apple for 20 years and the thing I did to screw repair for right then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2151">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► see melis my job was to make it a difficult or impossible to do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► replace your screen with a third-party facility because people want is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► hundred-dollar replacement fee i was the extra glue engineer at apple continuing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► glue engineer before this is good i think an online i want to go back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► the security bug ya so all the way all the way back to this this responsible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► for you which is called responsible it like i don't know i made with this face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► like responsible disclosure . yeah alright wait for it so a in some aspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► though it's not responsible because the only things that are updated are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► very latest update to the OS I'm talking to you right now on through an imac that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► has not been updated because i didn't feel like restarting my mac before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► started the shot right right my the mac i'm talking to you on right now is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► updated my iphone is I thoroughly doubt that my sons are wife's iphones are I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► pretty sure my ipad is not because i haven't I know it might be cuz i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► running iOS 10 beta so I don't know but I said I i have devices i'm technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► adept and I into the news and I have devices that are updated yet and let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► el capitan yet if you're running a love you know LOL what was the one before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► assembly i don't have to disseminate to keep looking it up you know you're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► you're still vulnerable and I don't know if Apple you know nobody knows because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► apple won't say but whether Apple's going to do a security update for those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► things either so it's nonsense i often wonder about disclosing these things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► know whether it's it's good or bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► well there's that yeah there's a couple different aspects to it right if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► a zero-day you know which just for the benefit of listen 20 days and exploit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► that is known as then something is patch so the patch comes out and it's known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► that it's in a mountain malware is being used right so has to be patched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► immediately because you have to protect people are inactive danger so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► not a zero-day there's no no no attacks in the wild haven't seen anything last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► couple days suggested anyone had managed to explain this in any Broadway and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► know that because Mac users and iOS users if it didn't send out as general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► malware would have been reporting I've been hijacked or whatever because now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► we're distributors are not subtle typically be ransomed me a big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► right now is ransomware as you know I've been running about that recently a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► couple articles on it and anyway so we so this isn't a zero-day but this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► tricky part like if you don't think that it's in the wild like you're working for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► a security company there's no reports of this coming out that even analyzing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► found it printed proactively in advance or respectively and you know the patches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► and made and distributed so anyone can get it has it that removes the financial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► incentive for any criminal to criminal organization to try to find and exploit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► because the window is closing so fast like you know twenty-five percent of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► closed the first two hours and if Apple pushes update so heavily makes it hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► to ignore them especially in iOS and other platforms that the odds of having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► a target are very small so you spend weeks three months developing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► payload of the exploit technology to deliver the correct play load and by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► then 93% of people of update and you have you know a couple hundred thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:22 ◼ ► people you have to reach and even spam and phishing doesn't make it worthwhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2362">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► to send out the messages to reach a fraction of them so the economics of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► when it's 90 days with a zero-day you disclose because it's so dangerous and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► want to run to patch right away and the economics their change instantly too but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► there's exploits out there that will be trying to be put out as fast as they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2378">TS</a>]
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00:40:08 ◼ ► volume on your Mac but haven't found anything yet well that's what boom does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► it's an amazing audio enhancer for the Mac it's simple it's gorgeous as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► great-looking you I these guys globalite have always always done really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► high-end you know classic in the Mac Developer attention to detail and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► all the icons look great and everything like that so it's just a volume booster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► that's it just works on a system-wide level so you don't have to install it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► like inside act apps not a plug-in or anything like that and anything you plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► your Mac suddenly sounds amplified it works with headphones works for speakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► its a Mac world best of show winner this is an app that has been renowned it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► really it you know it sounds almost like snake oil but it really does work it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► one the macworld best of show back when macworld was a show and here's the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► part anyway I keep talking circle here but the best part is right now for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► very limited . i don't quite know how limited the period is so if you hear it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► you better go get it now it is thirty-three percent off in their store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► it's just 999 usually 15 bucks you where you go here's their URL it's a bit ly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► URL so go to be IT . ly italy / boom to Mac that's the digit 2 bit ly / boom to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► mac and you'll get more info they have a seven day free trial can you believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► seven day free trial what it it's like in the world of the app store it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► you forget about free trials well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► what that's why the mac is awesome seven day free trial try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► listen to it see that you liked it and then you can get it for thirty-three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► percent off thats boom to that's what the reason the two is anywhere else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► version 2 of the a boom to thirty-three percent off italy / boom to mak a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► app I'm we were talking before about the sort of miss can I don't know what you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► call it but the idea that mac users are smug insufferably smug on security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► issues so true and it that's another one that's sort of like a pet issue of mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► is is the incessant inevitable need to boil everything down to a binary it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► either this or that either the mac is completely invulnerable to stop malware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► and security exploits or the mac is every bit as vulnerable and exploitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► is every other system that's out there I when the truth is in between it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► nuanced you know and it was a lot that I you still see it and part of it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2573">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► iOS is so spectacularly popular and such a lucrative target but in the old days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► pre iphone it was always almost always boil down to an argument that the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► you know windows has all this malware problems all these issues and and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► this you know that the and I don't even think it was snake well i think it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► reasonable thing that you know informed users would agree with was that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► considered a just standard practice to install antivirus on your Windows PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► that if you didn't you were a fool and you're probably going to get exploited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► oh yeah would you just all virtual windows machine on your mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► parallels and then it launched it and we get infected before you can install the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► antivirus software it's not up to me it's it's no exaggeration and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► Mac users informed mac users like myself would say well i-i-i don't run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► any antivirus on my mac and in fact i recommend I i don't recommend my family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► members do and I don't think you should either and I don't think you need to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► then they would say what you're an idiot because the only reason the Mac doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► get exploited is that it's just it's every bit as vulnerable as Windows but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► it's too small for the malware people to care about and it's like you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► disprove that that's one of those it's like a I don't know what the rhetorical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► for the description of that is but it's it's sort of like a straw man argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► you can't knock it down you can't just proved it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► hypothetical like that yeah there's no way to prove it otherwise except if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► mac . as popular as windows and that's what happened that sort of happened with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► iOS right iOS has you know hundreds of millions or i guess a billion active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► devices there might be now that I think about it there might be more iOS devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► in use than windows devices i don't know that Michael but I think I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► more windows because windows things are never this thing right people running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► windows 95 start someplace so they're not it's in the ballpark probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► running an air traffic controller something it is in the ballpark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► I mean now there is malware for mac there is malware that attacks iOS but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► it's never been as rampant a problem as it has been on other platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► yeah it's I i I've always said i should say always but I said increasingly it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► not goodbye for increasing like Apple was a weird target we have it-- were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► first viruses come to the computers the first widespread the worms and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► was through a max right we had that the one that you stuck a discounted rate the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► floppy the other thing I just that in my notes here i do you remember what your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► mat there wasn't going to be there was a time when I did run antivirus on my mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► and i would recommend everybody do it was called disinfectant and hear all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:49 ◼ ► that has no it was one guy it was like a guy up in Seattle right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2749">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► oh sure so right because it he charged for know it's free but it wasn't great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► was as good as the commercial solutions for a long time John Norse dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► no that's good memory i think that's right very nice guy if I recall to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► it's just amazing that it was just it was just for utility united states like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► a net you would North dead John overstepped just missing its so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► this homepage on your stats homepage scary is I i will put this in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► John Nienstedt homepage it was amazing you would it was in it you ran it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► didn't slit seemingly didn't slow your Mac down at all had no adverse effects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► and it was updated on a regular basis with all the new viruses that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► spread around and it would identify them and block them but yeah that was like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► insidious when I remember we drexel was absolutely hit by it was it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► it was so insidious it was a virus that would spread just by inserting a floppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► disk into an already infected Christian great piece of engineering for the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► yeah but yeah so here's my thing so Apple didn't necessarily their the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► was never necessarily had any innovation like address space layout randomization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► ALS r which is a great technique use so that you can predictably as an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► developer nowhere part of the system is going to be located in memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► necessarily and more ASL are you do across everything the harder it is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► target memory location it has something happened and so that you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► windows i want to say Microsoft energies that years before and they needed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► before always 10 was much more mystery but the Apple wasn't necessary innovator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► in that what they were an innovator in was accidental things that works right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► so Apple going to free updates force operating system you know first super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► cheap and then completely free and all the free incremental ones and the way in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► which you can do incremental update OS 10 without typically destroying your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► system i know there's some bad releases and I had problems over the years but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2876">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► they create an environment which people were expected to run updates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► typically stay up-to-date you might have been no using 10.6 . not 10.7 for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► while but then you switch over and when you look at over the years as you looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► at the adoption curve it's ridiculous compared to any other operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► as people move up so fast and software developers of course have the issue of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► compatibility know that that's one thing so there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► that the long tail of older versions by number of people running a number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► computers rather of older versions always 10 is very small compared to most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► other things you can android to android and there's this incredible distribution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► because android devices when they were sold originally the first generations as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► opposed to iOS it was very difficult or impossible to get beyond the version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► even the subversion like to . to that you had installed that gives you a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► target because you know there's going to be a hundred million devices out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► running android 2.2 for as long as the devices work so you have that target to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2934">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► attack forever Android as opposed to us 10 or iOS didn't have a good pathway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► directly to users any windows has this of course is direct pathway and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► eventually help to provide security updates so Android users are sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► abandoned google has been working on this for years to create an effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► way of rapid turnaround for certain kinds of security issues switching to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► apps is one way one of my colleagues over at green bar in the idg family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► they're though I was telling the other day like Google having a messaging app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► you know hangouts and messenger called mr. they can update the app if there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► security problem the app the app can take care of it but they can update the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:37 ◼ ► entire system because someone's running an outdated or run fashionable phone so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2977">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► Apple I think the upgrade cycle can always reduces the target of potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► infections whether it's with iOS which is a monolithic you know ecosystem as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► opposed to android or its with OS 10 where they push stuff out and I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► had it seems like a pretty fast pretty fast way and get people up the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► version so there's never a lot of people that you can easily target and with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► Windows you people running hundreds of millions people running pretty Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► 10 versions you have hundreds of millions of android users may be several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► hundred million running pre marshmallow 6 . x versions right so those targets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► are so lovely that as a if your email or developer and your criminal and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► trying to hit the biggest target why would you do it for iOS or OS 10 if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► going to be hard or there aren't enough people it's it's again if you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► that shotgun approach of I want to see at least I want to do the amount of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► scummy little piece of malware on as many devices as possible i'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► send a billion phishing messages and i know that i'm going to catch of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► like a hundred million Android 2.2 users it's their owners is easy relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► whereas if you want if you're in the business of targeting specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► individuals at the best of a government agency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► you totally different yeah i mean look at the threat for the hacking team that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► revealed how many different kinds of attacks that were against right Macs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► iOS so you know it's a different category is something to be concerned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► about but it's also things like Apple didn't have a native mail program for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► the longest time remember then they come out with me all the male's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► crappy but it also by time Apple came up with own mail program for OS 10 it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► already diversity so you couldn't as a malware author target a specific popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► male programs problems the mail programs were deeply integrated like they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:24 ◼ ► windows so you couldn't cause like JavaScript to run an attached message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3084">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► without someone clicking on it in eudora or whatever right and then mail came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► apple already knew this was a problem to the engineer something that was less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► embedded in more separate so you can still have stuff that would go wrong but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► it was a little more limited set of activities and happened with outlook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► integration and Microsoft's basically spent the last 20 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► pulling out the hooks that built deeply into its systems that allowed things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► that happen when they should have been sandbox or so old that I specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► you say that and it sounds it sounds so old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► that's the first pic max ship without an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► Andy and I have 2w I knew that Apple didn't make one but I was like wait did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► they may be ship like netscape's weirdo email or something i said no they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► ship any of them didn't even order the 1i was used or user I'm okay after I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► mean outlook i think i use outlook for a while in the office suite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► I don't know that was part of was that part of the deal two jobs and engage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► agree as part of the Microsoft investment that Apple wasn't going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► release its own mail software now no okay because that's what I look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► existence we played office or they can sell your door right there are a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► of other mail programs still there's still a remarkable number of email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► programs available and new ones being developed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► I don't I don't wanna I don't wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► I don't want to resort to google here i want either me or you to remember it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► the one said Spencer's team created i went on to microsoft and created the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► good version of outlook and wasn't note was a call and guy ever used guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3174">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► no no it was you will love it by some type of pie was it a virus product at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► one point even Clarence had an email product in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► I don't you know i'll tell you i use mail Smith today I i actually wrote you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► still do i wrote a programmer article for macro recently called old software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► that we all still use I got so many lovely comments from people shipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► with these i use quicken 2007by use mail Smith which is updated for compatibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► i use CSS editor for mac rabbit which doesn't develop any more for doing CSS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► tweaking on live sites i have this whole set of old software that's that's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► either being tiny compatibility updates or manages to work under the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► environment and i'll cry when it stops and people chimed in with all this offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► these that's sometimes like 10 plus years old that they've just been 11 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► later a leveller they upgraded it very nice the people involved into a to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3234">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► compatible with El Capitan but level later I don't think was really changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► for several years it's a vital piece of podcast no audio normalization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► equalization software I week all the thought I have I did sheet google and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► want to check Spencer's linkedin page it was fog city software Fox yes and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► product was called emailer MN and it was purchased by apple in March 1996 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► became claris emailer so Apple owned it because apple owns or I guess Clarence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► doesn't exist anymore and I guess it's filemaker it's like let's find out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► some it was funny and apple only the email client but didn't pre install it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► I know is because and the whole point was that until the you know again I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► long said that to me there's really only two areas at Apple there is the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► the era up and then starting with the next reunification that's like modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3294">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► Apple modern Apple started with the next reunification mm and jobs coming back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► and that's why there's so many things that were different but in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► original apple it was it was like explicit wasn't even implicit like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► think Apple was explicit about it at times that they didn't want to compete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► with third-party right developers and so the mac you know it would have it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► like what was it called back then simple text but each text iconic over now i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► think it's i remember simple text think that was later I think you're each text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► was like the built-in readme reader but it's super minimal i meanwe less way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► more minimal featured minimally featured even then txt edit today we're sorry we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► pissed about TextEdit because text said it actually has its roots right in next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► yeah i mean always you basically and text edit is a great piece of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► no one uses and i wrote a macro piece about how great there's some features in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► it that are invaluable you can basically cannot easily get in any other unstable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► people do use it right there are it's sort of like a secure cult of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► textedit including people at Apple i remember i had a meeting at Apple admit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► but over a decade ago when I was it joint it was nothing to do with daring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► fireball was you know Apple wanted to meet with us and talk about Giants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► technology and vehicle and I noticed that the it was the first time actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► oh yeah princeton repose he was there even is an apple software manager at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► time and so we didn't know each other we weren't friends yet but we were you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► online had a little bit of back-and-forth simply as you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► knew daring fireball I new ransom proposed he comes into the meeting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► of course he's very you know such a minimalist he opens up his is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► it was you might even been a powerbook at the time but whatever we know macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► powerbook of course there's nothing on screen it's just a beautiful desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► picture a he launches text edit and he's got one window on screen and it's text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3416">TS</a>]
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00:57:17 ◼ ► ever typed in TextEdit that there's any way I don't I think this is the case in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3437">TS</a>]
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00:57:31 ◼ ► Japan you hold it with two hands and you handed to them it's just you know it got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► a little bit of a ceremony about used to have no idea what people do today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3454">TS</a>]
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00:57:56 ◼ ► did at some point yes nothing bundled you know they kept their hands off in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► Microsoft integration bundling tying monopoly issue tendencies always keeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► this market locked in for themselves whether it's business software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► productivity issues email browser that was their security downfall and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► they spent a lot of time backing away from that in ok oh so i just did this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► story I don't know if this is the sidebar we're still talking viruses i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► just did a piece that should be out by the time this airs for MIT technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► review about some new research it's not it's been public for months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► a couple of research teams at different universities came up with strategies for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► fighting ransomware on windows and it was very interesting and I talked to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► bunch of your doctor mcafee and and other folks and and the researchers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3516">TS</a>]
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00:58:43 ◼ ► are you doing they're like well you keep your software update your install you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3523">TS</a>]
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00:58:50 ◼ ► about virus software like that's sort of the last stage like we had somewhere and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3530">TS</a>]
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00:59:03 ◼ ► just get into because they're just not it protected anyway forget antivirus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► software what the ransomware what's interesting is the developers of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► these academics rather the two different groups took different approaches the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3553">TS</a>]
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00:59:21 ◼ ► you don't have to gain deeper missions when I the payload is dropped and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► runs you know a lot of ransomware is like scripts like PHP or java script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:28 ◼ ► right and you double-click of a Trojan horse that's delivered via email and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3568">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► just start encrypting files because it doesn't need extra permission right it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► can it's their your files so they're only doing documents but there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► of Telltale's entropy and all kinds of other stuff they can monitor so that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► approach that really cool but I was like oh that's one reason ransomware has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► money thing at the end which is very straightforward and there's like six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3586">TS</a>]
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00:59:55 ◼ ► modifications of a bunch of like bass families of ransomware so many different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► because the money is so easy but fundamentally it has that great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► advantage is not trying to get into your Colonel do something it's not trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► hijack your networking it's just trying to take your word documents to make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► unreadable right it's not really fighting the system it's actually going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► with the flow of the system yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► oh you're something to user double-click you could you have access to all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3615">TS</a>]
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01:00:23 ◼ ► exactly the sort of reason that Apple is you know sandboxed iOS from the start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► and is so for all the technical problems it causes for honest apps why they're so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► bent towards sandboxing on Mac as well yeah and I hear that there's a technique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► I learned that I didn't know about there's a micro virtualization is coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► it's a step beyond sandboxing every app runs essentially its own tiny virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► machine which sounds crazy but bromium BR omim is one of the companies in space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► f-secure be has a product and it's the new thing because a lot of business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► users are basically only running a handful of apps so running them in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► in the virtual environments are transparent to you as a user but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► essentially it's like super sandboxing right it's wild [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► I did you see the story I link to it i guess i'll put it in the show notes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► to it earlier this week or maybe last week where there was this variant of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► ransomware that doesn't actually after you pay them it doesn't give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► oh yeah yeah so the wait for anybody who doesn't know the way ransomware working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► machine gets it by ransomware that the ransomware malware starts running and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► starts encrypting your files and then all of a sudden you're going what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► notice it when you go to open one of your documents and it gives you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► dialogue and it says you've been you know you've been hit by ransomware all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► of your files are encrypted and they really are encrypted and so like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► you'd like to try to open it and you know a text editor or something it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► just going to be you know garbled binary stuff because it's encrypted right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► the cantina sent via command control system that's the way it does get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► little network access so that he is not stored on the device you can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► there's so there's some clever you know use of encryption there and then if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► give them money by following steps x y&z who knows you know maybe they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► Bitcoin you have to go buy bitcoin and given the Bitcoin or you know or they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► just want your credit card number or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► somehow you've got to get the money and then you give them money and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:30 ◼ ► really do decrypt you know they give you the key and your get your files back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3750">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► therefore in case of high-profile cases there is I remember there was a hospital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3754">TS</a>]
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01:02:57 ◼ ► from we don't negotiate with with terrorists it hopefully acts as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► deterrent to terrorists who would you know take people take us you know take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► people hostage because they you know now it's not really true that we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► negotiate with them but it's the policy and you can see the logic of that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► can see the logic of what you should never pay these people for this but at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► certain point it might have been worth it for if it was critical enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► information that might be worth it for you to pay whatever the price that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► however distasteful it is to actually give in and give these little criminals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► money it might be more valuable to you you know then that you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► actual data that's been encrypted is more valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► now the funny thing is that there's a group there's a group that you give him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► the money and I'm laughing but it's terrible because it's it's even worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3826">TS</a>]
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01:03:54 ◼ ► them and all of the is into ransomware and I hate it so funny to say that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3834">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► honest crooks I've got to be furious about this because if word spreads that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3840">TS</a>]
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01:04:16 ◼ ► know how ship ransom works like piracy Somali pirates right money the planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► money to great piece about this that talk to one of the people who does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► asian with pirates to pay the ransom right if you start killing hostages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► so it's actually typically not dangerous to be taken captive by pirates Somalian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► or whomever because it is entirely in the interest of the economic system cube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► to negotiate a reasonable fee make sure all the hostages are unharmed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3883">TS</a>]
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01:04:55 ◼ ► to this was not a couple years where some pirate started killing people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3895">TS</a>]
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01:05:02 ◼ ► steaming Navy ships in and sort of clean up the problem which has been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► commercial problem is now you know a human rights one right and i'm thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► the idiots who think it's funny to delete the files are there too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► incompetent whatever it is they have so many I mean there are so many angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► organized criminals in the moment they're these guys could get killed on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► the site they're tracked down that's for sure so that's not funny but it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► like it actually does exactly that the it's almost like a disruptive technique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► that would it destroys the value of ransomware so in researching this story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► i came across just a few days ago f-secure release this hilarious white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► paper they tested the customer service of major ransomware packages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► haha they're like it has a customer service burden i talked to this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► named Sean Sullivan additive secure labs about some background stuff about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► ransomware he said the reason it's gotten so popular is it store you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► the routing Network lets you do anonymize browsing that's how the ransom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► where people post websites basically and bitcoin is all bitcoins no credit card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► that's the big change in the ransomware dates back literally decades but this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► the the Bitcoin just makes it silicate so much the average ransomware demand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► now has gone up from a few dollars with a Bitcoin to like 600 something dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► but f-secure found you could negotiate with some of them will run the field [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► down they created like a naive user who then she they hired somebody who was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► technical to do the communications so they wouldn't give anything away about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► you know what they say about more sophisticated details and they tested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► all these the ability to extend the deadlines customer service people the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► ransomware companies are very sensitive and one case they're like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► as good as like real good customer service like what you get from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► software company they talk you through it they'll often teach you how to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► bitcoin so that you can pay they can treat it like a real customer service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► burden like it's a business and we're here to help you get your files back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/4008">TS</a>]
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01:28:38 ◼ ► about currency which was the you know the big retailer system that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5318">TS</a>]
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01:28:46 ◼ ► for your Suzy oaks nine the macro podcast every time a currency story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5326">TS</a>]
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01:28:54 ◼ ► it come out before Apple pay and then android pay maybe got a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► traction I don't know but it didn't write it was like ridiculous finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► basically shut down their focus on the mcx consortium that's a bunch of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► big retailers is now focusing on back and stuff which is great so walmart has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► been working on its own system its member of the mcx consortium but I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► been working on its own variant and I saw announce that I'm like you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► doesn't look as awful you don't they don't accept checking account linkages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► so there's less risk of your stuff being hijacked right where you're checking can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► be drained it's always a pain to get anything fixed i just talked to some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:27 ◼ ► the other day they had a hundred and sixty thousand dollars take out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5367">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► checking account after this old house took them six months to get it back even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► though they had not authorized anything they weren't even scammed the bank was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► scammed so checking counter pain in the ass credit cards debit cards we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► protections even gift card sales training sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5382">TS</a>]
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01:29:50 ◼ ► to that coin and cat and gold so state attorney general's have a lot of control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► over our gift cards there's this those are state regulated and so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► control over there so Walmart pay will let you use walmart gift card debit card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► credit card and prepaid card something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5402">TS</a>]
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01:30:09 ◼ ► scanning a to decode but it all looked sensible so I pitched a macro let me go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5409">TS</a>]
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01:30:18 ◼ ► they have they opened it actually store the shutdown which is rare for them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5418">TS</a>]
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01:30:32 ◼ ► walk with the face for our dining room so that my younger son does not spend an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► hour a half eating at the table with the same piece of toast so we can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5436">TS</a>]
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01:30:45 ◼ ► clock cost 650 like this is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► battery-operated school like the face whatever to checkout process actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► quite like it already set up walmart pay the app is actually very well-designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► point-of-sale system displays the code you just open your app you've tap it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► you're done and it's electronic this is great i get home i unpack at the clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5459">TS</a>]
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01:31:23 ◼ ► most things but every once in awhile there early on things like for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► Wi-Fi Apple you know way like an apple introduced the idea that had Wi-Fi they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► actually had explained Wi-Fi was and that was that was the event where phil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► schiller uh did like a stunt like Jehovah yeah climbed up a ladder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► jump 10 feet onto a padded mat while holding the ibook to prove that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► you know getting the internet over the air like they actually it was almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5509">TS</a>]
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01:32:01 ◼ ► apple pays another one of those things where Apple pay came out at the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5521">TS</a>]
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01:32:09 ◼ ► maybe it's something else but a whole bunch just change around here have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► suddenly started getting the chip and pin registers and they are they all seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► to work with Apple pay even though they don't have apple pay logos yet like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► we have a supermarket chain here called Acme they don't have there's no apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► pay logo but it just says tapper pay or something forget what they all say but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:32 ◼ ► there's like a little logo that suggests that maybe there's some kind of NFC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5552">TS</a>]
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01:32:39 ◼ ► and starbucks are locals at least the the 1i go to now as chip-and-pin but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► lot of these ones to they get the chip and pin and then they say have a piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5565">TS</a>]
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01:33:13 ◼ ► because it like Whole Foods where I go they have had a play for a while they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► were like a debut partner and like listed on the slide on the stage and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► i've been using it at at at whole foods for you you know ever since it came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► so it's not a novelty there but at starbucks I've gotten like two or three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► of the the Clarks have been like well what did you just do that was amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5610">TS</a>]
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01:33:41 ◼ ► my iphone near the terminal my credit card came up on the screen and it read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► my fingerprint and when king and said done and in the little hand terminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5627">TS</a>]
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01:33:58 ◼ ► it said it just like processing was up way too long because apple pays very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5638">TS</a>]
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01:34:08 ◼ ► not be completed and so I've had you know pay with a actual credit card like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► a you know like a 23-percent I think my recollection that NFC is typically like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► there's a protocol the the paint is a overseas a protocol so him even if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► isn't supposed to take apple pay if nfc-enabled at all it will try to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► but the back in part may not work then there was the deal with that Africans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► CVS or something with the mcx better yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► yeah it launches like people were paying with Apple pay their like all supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► to work it's like they take and they literally and they literally did state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► nationwide CBS disconnected their entire the the ability to pay with any NFC at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► all just so that it wouldn't use Apple pay even though they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► really getting the money from apple but it wasn't like they were getting ripped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► it was they want to play a little deal and it was no I just I just got an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5696">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► from a company i want to mention his name yet because I haven't tested but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5700">TS</a>]
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01:35:07 ◼ ► what they actually do during beta testing it like public baby have to sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► up they are our good friend animalistic or is that is not a video for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5711">TS</a>]
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01:35:19 ◼ ► video of course so and very informative so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5719">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► do you remember several years ago there were some credit cards that would let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► you create an individual card number for every transaction yes yes i love that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► use that and you can set things like this can charge no more than a higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► dollars a month this is a one-time use and should only work until such like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► these things in the interface was terrible it's pretty mobile it was awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► and online payment was terrible anyway so this is an outfit that is doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► same thing with an appt you sign up you get a credit card through their partner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► which I forget which bank is a major bag and eighteen percent credit you no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5750">TS</a>]
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01:35:58 ◼ ► it's not real otherwise in one percent cashback so it's they got all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5758">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► parameters on it but the fact is like for online transactions like your they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► have a physical card you can use that's got an EMF EMV chip in it you could use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► that but when you're paying online you know any kind of transaction you run the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► app it generates a unique number with whatever parameters you want like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► time or whatever and you use that one time number and so it gets stolen you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:22 ◼ ► know who stole it so I'm going to try they gave me an invitation i signed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5782">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► I'm gonna test my credit rating but I'm i had three Cardinal versatile this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5786">TS</a>]
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01:36:34 ◼ ► a visa and amex and another visa three different card issuers and in every case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5794">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► i gotta tell you the fraud people have gotten they used to be good i dealt with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► this in the past of it but every call was with someone who is so crackerjack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► and like they're obviously paying people while they're trained and well these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► people were amusing and fun to be like fun to talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► while we're going through all the crap you have to go through and they took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► care of it in every case they caught it in one case like a 38 sent transaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5814">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► but everything else didn't so the pilot yeah yeah that's what they that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► they do I forget it wasn't me it was my wife i think it was eerie gas station [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► charge or online charge up like in a bodega somebody bought like a coke they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► see if it's been cancelled yeah so they got it they they bought a coke and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► they went to buy like you know I don't know TV got same thing so in each of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► these three cases are fraud pattern got it and they're like in two cases nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► one case 38 cents which was refunded and for charity that 38 since they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► know they're going to get that has taken back but so i'm very interested in do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► you think so i am so excited for Apple pay and safari not because i am so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► excited about Apple pay but I'm like Apple pants parties can be the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► of a transition because android pay in whatever browse is coming like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► going to be all these mobile pay options will now be available for desktop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► mobile web transactions the minute any of my cards are enabled I'm like never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5874">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► going to buy anything from a site that doesn't do Apple pay in safari again I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► dreading my amex getting ripped off again and happy years ago in somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► some nitwit tried to buy jet skis in Arizona or New Mexico either Arizona New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► Mexico everybody but you know the guy from amex called me and and said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► know you're not trying to buy jet skis in Arizona are you as a no definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/5903">TS</a>]
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01:48:38 ◼ ► a mattress i want to do the experiment like with mementos of pepsi's where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6518">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► open a bunch of casper mattresses in a room and you have all the air is sucked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► out of the windows popular i want to see if people can't people can't breathe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► Casper last thing on my agenda for the show was this issue where is this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6533">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► Milo United pronounce his name gianopolous any anomalous believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:05 ◼ ► Indianapolis sort of a conservative agitator / political columnist i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6545">TS</a>]
01:49:12 ◼ ► quite sure how to describe for people who aren't in there with them is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6552">TS</a>]
01:49:15 ◼ ► very six very very successful troll yeah very success charming in a way that only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6555">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► people with an English accent can never get away with well-being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:27 ◼ ► he's he's a younger Boris Johnson for people into politics longer with Napster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6567">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► reports and this relates to what you were talking about before where there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:37 ◼ ► some subset of a is a participant in in this new subculture called the alt right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6577">TS</a>]
01:49:43 ◼ ► which is you know I don't want to get too much into politics of it but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6583">TS</a>]
01:49:51 ◼ ► is a subset of this movement and of the Internet at large that is above all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6591">TS</a>]
01:49:59 ◼ ► things in the world to be upset about very downright angry that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6599">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► Ghostbusters reboot it features an all-women cast of ghostbusters that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:11 ◼ ► the people actually busting ghosts are for women when in the original movie is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6611">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► and they're very upset about this and I don't really know why it seems very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:24 ◼ ► strange to me i had I you know the people to me this is a sign that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6624">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► people have some very I I think if you're upset that Ghostbusters is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:35 ◼ ► all women it is a very good sign that you have some very significant issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6635">TS</a>]
01:50:42 ◼ ► well this guy i think i'm being fair here somehow a week ago Leslie Jones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6642">TS</a>]
01:50:49 ◼ ► also speaking of very talented current SNL cast time to interrupt you i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6649">TS</a>]
01:50:54 ◼ ► let the more than Kaiba can I love Leslie Jones so much so much because she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6654">TS</a>]
01:51:00 ◼ ► is the kind of communion you did not see on television not just that he's black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6660">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► but she's like a statue is peaceful and she's sick something she 16 oz but she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:10 ◼ ► not a traditional you know figure she is she is this large beautiful totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6670">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► outspoken with spike here who has this incredible incredible voice and she is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:22 ◼ ► this like intensity the hook John Cleese at his best means like Angry john cleese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6682">TS</a>]
01:51:26 ◼ ► in the early monty python's and go red face like she has this incredible energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6686">TS</a>]
01:51:31 ◼ ► and I love her and I love that she is on SNL i love that she's in this film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6691">TS</a>]
01:51:36 ◼ ► yeah i think my she's really i like she's really great on SNL too i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6696">TS</a>]
01:51:40 ◼ ► again like you said she's definitely not the sort of comedian that you typically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6700">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► see I can't think of anybody else even compared to just maybe she's cashier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:48 ◼ ► kind of her own I mean and go to clubs but she seems to be like her own like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6708">TS</a>]
01:51:53 ◼ ► unforgotten on like she does not change yourself or anybody else and she got her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6713">TS</a>]
01:51:58 ◼ ► place in this show is doing her thing absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6718">TS</a>]
01:52:01 ◼ ► she's good writer too she's not just a good performer because I to know she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6721">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► writes her own bit when she and my favorites are when she's on the weekend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:08 ◼ ► update desk and good and that's really just you know those are her bits and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6728">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► real man well anyway she's in the Ghostbusters she's busting ghosts and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:17 ◼ ► was on Twitter engaging you know with the fans and somehow just started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6737">TS</a>]
01:52:23 ◼ ► getting just a steaming on ceaseless garage of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6743">TS</a>]
01:52:30 ◼ ► at replies and mentions racist misogynist I don't even know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6750">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► there's got to be more things more offenses but really some just 66 stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:42 ◼ ► from these gamergate troll types and she you know engaged with them she started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6762">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► retreating some of them and this Milo guy jumped in on it and including and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► me the one I think probably put him over the top it was the one where he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6777">TS</a>]
01:53:00 ◼ ► posted a fake screenshot that made it look as though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6780">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► Leslie Jones herself called somebody a hike in fighting she I think there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► where she didn't refactor screenshot which had more than a hundred forty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► characters by the way but it which was part of the towel but who's counting was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:19 ◼ ► accusing him was like calling you know he's gay he's openly gay makes a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6799">TS</a>]
01:53:23 ◼ ► point of being conservative and very far right and gang was just at the net the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6803">TS</a>]
01:53:27 ◼ ► Republican National Convention hosting a party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6807">TS</a>]
01:53:29 ◼ ► he's very into that right so he's the screen capture had something that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6809">TS</a>]
01:53:33 ◼ ► essentially making fun of him for being gay i forget the exact detail so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6813">TS</a>]
01:53:37 ◼ ► was part of it too like he was saying look I'm being attacked player right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6817">TS</a>]
01:53:40 ◼ ► when in fact she's not was made and and these fake screenshots we're not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6820">TS</a>]
01:53:46 ◼ ► there's no way that you could put their not parody it's not like when our pal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6826">TS</a>]
01:53:50 ◼ ► Darth you know post a picture that makes Trump's handsome like a Barbie doll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6830">TS</a>]
01:53:55 ◼ ► sighs you know I mean like eats you know that that's parody yeah and-and-and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6835">TS</a>]
01:53:59 ◼ ► nobody is you know it's nobody's fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6839">TS</a>]
01:54:02 ◼ ► this is to deliver attempt to to turn his followers to get them to actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6842">TS</a>]
01:54:07 ◼ ► believe that she was committing you know this these acts of hateful tweets as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6847">TS</a>]
01:54:13 ◼ ► well which would encourage them to well hey if she's going to do that let's take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6853">TS</a>]
01:54:16 ◼ ► the gloves off you know now fair's fair now we can you know go racist and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6856">TS</a>]
01:54:22 ◼ ► misogynist on her and so what happened is this guy and this guy's been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6862">TS</a>]
01:54:27 ◼ ► trouble with twitter before where people have reported him for this sort of abuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6867">TS</a>]
01:54:34 ◼ ► a caterer of her answers before he at one point he was verified and I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6874">TS</a>]
01:54:39 ◼ ► was part of the whole thing is a journalist he works you know he's worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6879">TS</a>]
01:54:42 ◼ ► for legitimate publications before I think he's the tech correspondent for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6882">TS</a>]
01:54:46 ◼ ► Breitbart now if you don't know Breitbart it's a a well I think all it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6886">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► will say everything you need to know is that a conservative-leaning website that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6892">TS</a>]
01:54:58 ◼ ► was very very early on the pro Trump but yeah it's the current state is also if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6898">TS</a>]
01:55:03 ◼ ► you have a look at great partner while I'm not sure you should buy it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6903">TS</a>]
01:55:06 ◼ ► founded by Andrew Breitbart who's like always was our age and then died and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6906">TS</a>]
01:55:10 ◼ ► yeah i know people who like to actually like like friend of friend of friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6910">TS</a>]
01:55:13 ◼ ► like to very much personally his site was always try to eat help co-star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:17 ◼ ► Huffington Post and left and started this bar right thing and but it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6917">TS</a>]
01:55:21 ◼ ► involved like white supremacy and whatever it was it was pretty far right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6921">TS</a>]
01:55:26 ◼ ► and he's the one who found Eliot Spitzer's was it was picking away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6926">TS</a>]
01:55:29 ◼ ► anthony Weiner's weiner can you have the shot of that I think your mail I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6929">TS</a>]
01:55:33 ◼ ► anyway so but entrance so bright part now if you remember what break the site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6933">TS</a>]
01:55:37 ◼ ► was like when Andrew Breitbart we're live and reign a this is like something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6937">TS</a>]
01:55:40 ◼ ► even so far beyond that it makes you look back fondly at the time the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6940">TS</a>]
01:55:46 ◼ ► yeah right when Breitbart random I'm I was not a regular reader of it but I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6946">TS</a>]
01:55:51 ◼ ► familiar with it it was like something i didn't agree with but not something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6951">TS</a>]
01:55:57 ◼ ► where's ya to me is it is borderline offensive its ya back to me it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6957">TS</a>]
01:56:01 ◼ ► about as close as you possibly can in today's even if your anti quote-unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6961">TS</a>]
01:56:09 ◼ ► anti politically correct there are still a motor comes of discourse that we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6969">TS</a>]
01:56:16 ◼ ► agreed to it comes about as close as you can in the guidelines of modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6976">TS</a>]
01:56:20 ◼ ► discourse to being like white supremacists in my it's it crosses into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6980">TS</a>]
01:56:25 ◼ ► it almost I mean this is existence my lipstick without even getting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6985">TS</a>]
01:56:30 ◼ ► political aspect of it because there are left the left side extremists you do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6990">TS</a>]
01:56:34 ◼ ► same thing we saw a lot of times the left does not get the same criticism as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6994">TS</a>]
01:56:38 ◼ ► the right the right seems to get a lot more coverage when they say extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/6998">TS</a>]
01:56:40 ◼ ► things and they virgin to you nativism and white supremacy and things in yo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7000">TS</a>]
01:56:47 ◼ ► left has unfortunately the far left has an anti-semitic strain as well and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7007">TS</a>]
01:56:52 ◼ ► kinds of extremism and the whole Bernie . revealed unfortunately that a subset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7012">TS</a>]
01:56:58 ◼ ► not all not all boroughs not all Bernie supporters but a subset of Sanders the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7018">TS</a>]
01:57:03 ◼ ► people who alleged to be may have been good trolls may have been deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7023">TS</a>]
01:57:07 ◼ ► supporters also engaged in some pretty severe activity its they but they always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7027">TS</a>]
01:57:12 ◼ ► try especially in great part is a great job is Milo especially they're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7032">TS</a>]
01:57:16 ◼ ► come up to the line of hate speech without crossing to it when they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7036">TS</a>]
01:57:19 ◼ ► into something that's that's actually actionable when he gets sued and lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7039">TS</a>]
01:57:24 ◼ ► not just get sued and clearly lose or in which they would cross some line in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7044">TS</a>]
01:57:28 ◼ ► which some aspect of decency would involve the might of the criminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7048">TS</a>]
01:57:33 ◼ ► statute like hate speech is not protected a line you know all speeches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7053">TS</a>]
01:57:37 ◼ ► not absolutely protect United States there's been a lot of trials about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7057">TS</a>]
01:57:40 ◼ ► certain kinds of hate speech is for incitement especially if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7060">TS</a>]
01:57:43 ◼ ► publishing website multiple countries i don't know if my camera my lives in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7063">TS</a>]
01:57:47 ◼ ► USU carries back and forth but like he could wind up being pretty no prosecuted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7067">TS</a>]
01:57:52 ◼ ► if you cross certain lines in outside the US then here anyway so like that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7072">TS</a>]
01:57:57 ◼ ► they are they are knowingly skating up to the precipice and skating back when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7077">TS</a>]
01:58:01 ◼ ► they will get as far as they can with the skates hanging over the cliff at me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7081">TS</a>]
01:58:04 ◼ ► know before they they skate back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7084">TS</a>]
01:58:07 ◼ ► yeah and I don't think it's any coincidence i mean part of it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7087">TS</a>]
01:58:12 ◼ ► Leslie Jones was engaging on twitter but I don't think it's any coincidence that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7092">TS</a>]
01:58:17 ◼ ► of the four Ghostbusters day one after the one who's not just a woman but is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7097">TS</a>]
01:58:26 ◼ ► this guy's been in trouble with twitter before one . he was verified that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7106">TS</a>]
01:58:29 ◼ ► I mention he's a journalist they removed his verified bad which is very odd thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7109">TS</a>]
01:58:34 ◼ ► I thought that was very unusual like I could see why twitter wants to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7114">TS</a>]
01:58:37 ◼ ► this guy but removing is verified badge was a very strange move to me because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7117">TS</a>]
01:58:41 ◼ ► didn't like it i didn't like it either because it a plays into this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7121">TS</a>]
01:58:45 ◼ ► motion having the verified badge is this market prestige in which to me is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7125">TS</a>]
01:58:50 ◼ ► nonsense i don't know i mean i got verify didn't ask for it was like I it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7130">TS</a>]
01:58:55 ◼ ► what happened is when member mat Honan got a packed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7135">TS</a>]
01:59:00 ◼ ► oh yeah so mat Honan who's now at BuzzFeed got hacked like two years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7140">TS</a>]
01:59:05 ◼ ► and he wrote a great story about it and it was somehow that was like you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7145">TS</a>]
01:59:09 ◼ ► was sort of a social engineering where his attacker called apple and said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7149">TS</a>]
01:59:15 ◼ ► know claim to be him and somehow got through a couple of the questions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7155">TS</a>]
01:59:19 ◼ ► God is you know mac.com as iCloud account reset and then once they had his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7159">TS</a>]
01:59:27 ◼ ► email account that was the email account used by his twitter account and so his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7167">TS</a>]
01:59:31 ◼ ► at m80 you know it seemed like the target of it was that the e because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7171">TS</a>]
01:59:35 ◼ ► has this very short twitter handle at m-80s name is Peter and he's using me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7175">TS</a>]
01:59:41 ◼ ► yes that's right it's super short they really wanted that and I have a friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7181">TS</a>]
01:59:45 ◼ ► who has a very short handle that apparently it's part of her name but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7185">TS</a>]
01:59:49 ◼ ► it's four letters and it relates to some programming thing so she's being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7189">TS</a>]
01:59:52 ◼ ► regularly harass my script kiddies and how to get someone permanently suspended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7192">TS</a>]
01:59:56 ◼ ► because of their docs attempts yeah blood or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7196">TS</a>]
01:59:56 ◼ ► because of their docs attempts yeah blood or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7196">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► yeah it's a weird thing where like certain handles are so in demand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:04 ◼ ► Jesse char is at Jesse on Instagram everyone every photo shoot post there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7204">TS</a>]
02:00:09 ◼ ► some girl named Jesse you know not the same person but every time it's can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7209">TS</a>]
02:00:12 ◼ ► have your twitter handle is you know Dave Rutledge I works at met our friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7212">TS</a>]
02:00:18 ◼ ► that I've been running format by the way which is a fun place to report he's at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7218">TS</a>]
02:00:22 ◼ ► underscore yeah his wife is at underscore underscore and their child is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7222">TS</a>]
02:00:25 ◼ ► that underscore underscore underscore was wife's at underscore underscore got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7225">TS</a>]
02:00:29 ◼ ► ripped off got hijacked somehow and he eventually kind of was trying to they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7229">TS</a>]
02:00:33 ◼ ► trying to go through channels they eventually kind of bump the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7233">TS</a>]
02:00:35 ◼ ► anybody help us in somebody at twitter is like got your back and took care of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7235">TS</a>]
02:00:38 ◼ ► it but I'm she almost lost at underscore well anyway the term they took away is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7238">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► verified which is weird because to me it's almost like to me that isn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7242">TS</a>]
02:00:46 ◼ ► we're punishing you it's like to me that would be like we're no longer certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7246">TS</a>]
02:00:50 ◼ ► that this account is who you is you yeah but they knew it was him there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7250">TS</a>]
02:00:54 ◼ ► question that it was him so to removing verified badge is very strange you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7254">TS</a>]
02:00:58 ◼ ► but you the reason they do it though I think the reason they did it and I and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7258">TS</a>]
02:01:02 ◼ ► have the same reaction you too it's like Twitter should be anointing people they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7262">TS</a>]
02:01:06 ◼ ► originally started the verified program to help celebrities and some news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7266">TS</a>]
02:01:09 ◼ ► outlets prevent to have a legitimate account that showed it wasn't being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7269">TS</a>]
02:01:13 ◼ ► person into that they'd vetted it right and in they used to have requirements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7273">TS</a>]
02:01:17 ◼ ► that you had to have two factor authentication or some other protection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7277">TS</a>]
02:01:19 ◼ ► on your email or they would ask and so they've had entire newsrooms where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7279">TS</a>]
02:01:23 ◼ ► newsroom had shown them or discussed you know their techniques to prevent email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7283">TS</a>]
02:01:27 ◼ ► from being hijacked so that they wouldn't be overtaken especially if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7287">TS</a>]
02:01:30 ◼ ► they're like AP hijacks a bunch of news outlets get hijacked few years ago so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7290">TS</a>]
02:01:34 ◼ ► but the thing that the thing that a reason I think they did it is if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7294">TS</a>]
02:01:38 ◼ ► verified I'm not sure you probably know this you know there's they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7298">TS</a>]
02:01:41 ◼ ► tools at least the only verified accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7301">TS</a>]
02:01:43 ◼ ► yes you're looking at replies so I think this was to get him to not show up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7303">TS</a>]
02:01:47 ◼ ► the replies people are verified like celebrities and whoever is able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7307">TS</a>]
02:01:53 ◼ ► yeah I know is you know I tweet so Chrissy Teigen the supermodel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7313">TS</a>]
02:01:58 ◼ ► I think she is also awesome like I don't even know her super modeling career like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7318">TS</a>]
02:02:02 ◼ ► I've seen pictures of her shes i like most supermodels one of those beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7322">TS</a>]
02:02:05 ◼ ► woman on the planet great right but I don't it's fine beautiful Sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7325">TS</a>]
02:02:10 ◼ ► Illustrated model right cover- ok so but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7330">TS</a>]
02:02:13 ◼ ► I didn't follow because at some point I noticed people between these incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7333">TS</a>]
02:02:16 ◼ ► funny really direct stuff she's saying about you know just like feminism or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7336">TS</a>]
02:02:20 ◼ ► politics whatever but the way that which he has to defend yourself she's married [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7340">TS</a>]
02:02:24 ◼ ► john legend about people tell us just deserve him and he's been duped and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7344">TS</a>]
02:02:28 ◼ ► whatever she is awesome she is so forthright and so gracious cookbook out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7348">TS</a>]
02:02:32 ◼ ► so i told she tweeted something last night I wrote something back to her i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7352">TS</a>]
02:02:37 ◼ ► can just some little thing and passing out this could be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7357">TS</a>]
02:02:39 ◼ ► she favored it and I'm like God just the thing as 4,000 favorites on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7359">TS</a>]
02:02:43 ◼ ► why would she do that I'm like oh she's using this filtering i have a verified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7363">TS</a>]
02:02:47 ◼ ► tag so there is a little bit of a superpower that is associated with it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7367">TS</a>]
02:02:51 ◼ ► you have more visibility to people who are verified so I don't know some random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7371">TS</a>]
02:02:55 ◼ ► journalist who works on a daily basis minh and I can but because of that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7375">TS</a>]
02:03:00 ◼ ► like oh that I think is the power of that blue checkmark yeah well what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7380">TS</a>]
02:03:04 ◼ ► happened yeah what happened for people like me and you is after owning got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7384">TS</a>]
02:03:08 ◼ ► hacked and i think he got have I think I might be misremembering details I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7388">TS</a>]
02:03:12 ◼ ► he got hacked those really was very clear it was about his is m80 wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7392">TS</a>]
02:03:16 ◼ ► i think you're totally right but it's early but yes quitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7396">TS</a>]
02:03:19 ◼ ► I think as a precaution thought well maybe it's because he's a tech reporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7399">TS</a>]
02:03:23 ◼ ► and that all of a sudden in a very short period of time like I think me and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7403">TS</a>]
02:03:27 ◼ ► probably got verified right around the same time a lot of people at macworld [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7407">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► did i do wait a bit I to ask them for actually a few years because I did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:35 ◼ ► well the thing was I thought there's this developing thing where a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7415">TS</a>]
02:03:38 ◼ ► journalists were getting marked and I'm like look I'm a freelancer yeah having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7418">TS</a>]
02:03:41 ◼ ► blue checkmark makes me look like I'm not legitimate on Twitter and I'm like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7421">TS</a>]
02:03:45 ◼ ► don't care or not but if you're gonna have a system i want to be in it so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7425">TS</a>]
02:03:49 ◼ ► then it and likewise like I can direct message people who don't have dm's open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7429">TS</a>]
02:03:53 ◼ ► and they can DM me even if I have dm's off because we're verified like that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7433">TS</a>]
02:03:58 ◼ ► funny thing is a couple little things that are very soul to very strange club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7438">TS</a>]
02:04:03 ◼ ► yeah it's a weird club and it's like it's got supermodels the president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7443">TS</a>]
02:04:06 ◼ ► states and your me it's great i love being in this club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7446">TS</a>]
02:04:09 ◼ ► I've told this before it is incredibly embarrassing but it's actually my son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7449">TS</a>]
02:04:14 ◼ ► told his friends at school that I'm verified and all the girls in the class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7454">TS</a>]
02:04:19 ◼ ► thought it was the coolest thing that they don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7459">TS</a>]
02:04:21 ◼ ► that's awesome they were like no way they didn't believe it will believe him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7461">TS</a>]
02:04:26 ◼ ► so like they have gotten so let's bring up a Twitter yeah they opened up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7466">TS</a>]
02:04:30 ◼ ► Chromebook and low tonight with her age and they're like that's so cool oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7470">TS</a>]
02:04:34 ◼ ► gosh that is awesome that is terrible I I think it's just dreadful but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7474">TS</a>]
02:04:39 ◼ ► Milo you anomalous state they took away his badge they had suspended him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7479">TS</a>]
02:04:44 ◼ ► temporarily for similar incidents in the past and it always come back and after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7484">TS</a>]
02:04:48 ◼ ► this one right before he was supposed to go into some kind of event in Cleveland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7488">TS</a>]
02:04:54 ◼ ► for the republican national convention he received an email that said this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7494">TS</a>]
02:04:59 ◼ ► it you don't you know your account is permanently suspend yeah one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7499">TS</a>]
02:05:03 ◼ ► weird things about that i think they did the right thing I i think this guy was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7503">TS</a>]
02:05:07 ◼ ► abusing Twitter and I don't think Twitter should tolerate it but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7507">TS</a>]
02:05:12 ◼ ► weird it its there's a weird like down the memory hole aspect to it were once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7512">TS</a>]
02:05:17 ◼ ► his account is suspended all of his tweets are gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7517">TS</a>]
02:05:19 ◼ ► yeah I don't know yeah I know that's gross but I do temporary suspension they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7519">TS</a>]
02:05:23 ◼ ► will often make people agree to delete specific tweets an automated process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7523">TS</a>]
02:05:28 ◼ ► before they're allowed to the count back so those only those tweets are deleted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7528">TS</a>]
02:05:32 ◼ ► like however Otis something is I'm like well this is deleting history now no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7532">TS</a>]
02:05:36 ◼ ► knows he said these hundred thousand terrible things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7536">TS</a>]
02:05:39 ◼ ► yeah and that was part of it and and never you know I wrote briefly about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7539">TS</a>]
02:05:42 ◼ ► this on during fireball I importance and my take is that is supporters say and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7542">TS</a>]
02:05:47 ◼ ► I've seen this argument with other people this is not the only time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7547">TS</a>]
02:05:50 ◼ ► that when when something like this happens and after instigating this sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7550">TS</a>]
02:05:54 ◼ ► of abuse and it they say well now that they've suspended his account there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7554">TS</a>]
02:05:59 ◼ ► obviously they're sent this is twitter is a company that sensors conservatives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7559">TS</a>]
02:06:03 ◼ ► and suppresses free speech right right as though the right to harass people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7563">TS</a>]
02:06:10 ◼ ► Twitter and and I don't think there can be any argument that what was done to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7570">TS</a>]
02:06:14 ◼ ► Leslie Jones was outright harassment and she was she seemed genuinely emotionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7574">TS</a>]
02:06:18 ◼ ► distressed at what she was seeing and dealing with the the argument that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7578">TS</a>]
02:06:25 ◼ ► that should be protected free speech is just nonsense and it just shows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7585">TS</a>]
02:06:29 ◼ ► these people are at in my opinion not just you know racist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7589">TS</a>]
02:06:34 ◼ ► and massage but they're all right like sociopaths that they got their shared so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7594">TS</a>]
02:06:38 ◼ ► emotionally stunted that that that there it's very hard you really can't argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7598">TS</a>]
02:06:48 ◼ ► can't rationalize with these people and there are other readers there were I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7608">TS</a>]
02:06:51 ◼ ► some feedback from people uh you know reading fireball very thoughtful and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7611">TS</a>]
02:06:56 ◼ ► you know some people i know some just brand in a random readers who were very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7616">TS</a>]
02:07:00 ◼ ► you know said I'm very uncomfortable with this you know i don't like I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7620">TS</a>]
02:07:03 ◼ ► racist misogynist they just weren't people who are Milo DiNapoli's fans but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7623">TS</a>]
02:07:07 ◼ ► they were like I'm just very uncomfortable with twitter you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7627">TS</a>]
02:07:13 ◼ ► saying that somebody you know this is a loudness isn't there should be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7633">TS</a>]
02:07:16 ◼ ► free-for-all but I free you can't have a free-for-all you just sit in on what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7636">TS</a>]
02:07:20 ◼ ► could you could run a service that free-for-all but it's not going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7640">TS</a>]
02:07:24 ◼ ► yeah among other things we twitter has rules of engagement has terms of service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7644">TS</a>]
02:07:31 ◼ ► yeah and and the question is how like the reason they got chris's about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7651">TS</a>]
02:07:35 ◼ ► is famous person attacked famous prominent person is already under attack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7655">TS</a>]
02:07:38 ◼ ► as part of like a cultural war against you know people who may align with Trump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7658">TS</a>]
02:07:43 ◼ ► and people may align with other progressive movements so it is so Leslie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7663">TS</a>]
02:07:48 ◼ ► Jones interviewed by your friends Seth Meyers and his show and it was lovely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7668">TS</a>]
02:07:52 ◼ ► and she's talking about this whole situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7672">TS</a>]
02:07:54 ◼ ► oh really i didn't see that yeah it was nice like 45 minute clip in the one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7674">TS</a>]
02:07:58 ◼ ► the things that sure was a bunch of people who sent this Empire like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7678">TS</a>]
02:08:01 ◼ ► little videos of just how old you know you're awesome Leslie you're so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7681">TS</a>]
02:08:04 ◼ ► inspiration was like this like little girl an adult couple and just like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7684">TS</a>]
02:08:07 ◼ ► kinds of people is great and she was practically crying it was just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7687">TS</a>]
02:08:10 ◼ ► so you're being so nice about it but she said he said you know should it arise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7690">TS</a>]
02:08:15 ◼ ► itself asked a very good questions like should this rise level like you and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7695">TS</a>]
02:08:20 ◼ ► are kind of well-known like we have a lot of whatever lot of followers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7700">TS</a>]
02:08:23 ◼ ► she's like this should be and she said you know out read this is for should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7703">TS</a>]
02:08:26 ◼ ► for everybody no one should go like he said she said if I never spoke up about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7706">TS</a>]
02:08:29 ◼ ► this no one would ever know it happened to me but I made a fuss right and if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7709">TS</a>]
02:08:35 ◼ ► she never talked back to people it's still would have a vector because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7715">TS</a>]
02:08:38 ◼ ► asymmetric and I think that's nasty should the the question i would say too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7718">TS</a>]
02:08:42 ◼ ► when you look at my like he's a provocateur that's his stock and trade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7722">TS</a>]
02:08:47 ◼ ► being a provocateur he wants to get a reaction and he's very good at it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7727">TS</a>]
02:08:50 ◼ ► it's unfortunate that we wanted he's not you know in my mind funny or interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7730">TS</a>]
02:08:54 ◼ ► or decent or whatever I think he's off the charts in terms of you know being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7734">TS</a>]
02:08:59 ◼ ► practically a sociopath the way the AXI access consistently and self-interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7739">TS</a>]
02:09:03 ◼ ► without regard for any standards of morality or decency and that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7743">TS</a>]
02:09:07 ◼ ► it doesn't matter i don't care if he's left to right and doesn't even talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7747">TS</a>]
02:09:10 ◼ ► about any political he has its his behavior and it's not political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7750">TS</a>]
02:09:14 ◼ ► correctness when you're specifically trying to say things that you know will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7754">TS</a>]
02:09:18 ◼ ► call it like political correctness is when you are told not say something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7758">TS</a>]
02:09:23 ◼ ► is a reasonable statement is not designed specifically to harm someone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7763">TS</a>]
02:09:27 ◼ ► actually part of social discourse it needs to occur to improve the social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7767">TS</a>]
02:09:32 ◼ ► good that is political correctness I've encountered there's a lot of things as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7772">TS</a>]
02:09:35 ◼ ► somebody who's your left of center maybe a liberal lifelong Democratic voter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7775">TS</a>]
02:09:39 ◼ ► there are things that I did not feel comfortable discussing in public because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7779">TS</a>]
02:09:42 ◼ ► I know I can't discuss them away without having a blowback that would be pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7782">TS</a>]
02:09:48 ◼ ► severe even though i have no bad intent and I want to talk through an issue as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7788">TS</a>]
02:09:51 ◼ ► opposed to make statements right so there is there is a chilling effect in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7791">TS</a>]
02:09:55 ◼ ► certain areas i would call that because you can even bring up this happens like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7795">TS</a>]
02:09:59 ◼ ► easy case which i can talk about it look at Israel support of Israel I'm a Jew my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7799">TS</a>]
02:10:03 ◼ ► whole family married some was not Jewish but I the whole family back to whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7803">TS</a>]
02:10:08 ◼ ► is Jewish I'm variant cover with Israel I think they're engaged i don't i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7808">TS</a>]
02:10:12 ◼ ► going to the place look like I'm very uncomfortable israel italy with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7812">TS</a>]
02:10:15 ◼ ► right it is very difficult to have any sane sensible conversation about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7815">TS</a>]
02:10:18 ◼ ► Palestinians Arabs Israel with any combination of people other choose non [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7818">TS</a>]
02:10:23 ◼ ► Jews Muslims whatever no two people can get together and talk without somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7823">TS</a>]
02:10:28 ◼ ► trading you for some opinion about it no matter what your stances and there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7828">TS</a>]
02:10:33 ◼ ► that sort of a problem with race in America to it's very difficult to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7833">TS</a>]
02:10:36 ◼ ► discussion because no two people can agree how to talk about it without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7836">TS</a>]
02:10:40 ◼ ► essentially accusing each other of engaging in something that is a foreign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7840">TS</a>]
02:10:44 ◼ ► political correctness going out of your way to specifically knowingly inflict [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7844">TS</a>]
02:10:48 ◼ ► emotional harm or inspire threats against somebody even when you do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7848">TS</a>]
02:10:54 ◼ ► with the way that's plausibly deniable that is not convincing at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7854">TS</a>]
02:10:56 ◼ ► there's no question what that is so if Milo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7856">TS</a>]
02:11:00 ◼ ► we're super left-wing and thought it was funny to go after you and somatic things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7860">TS</a>]
02:11:04 ◼ ► against Jewish actress or something um I'm saying enough to the left so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7864">TS</a>]
02:11:09 ◼ ► systematic that's the closest you're not gonna have left wing people go after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7869">TS</a>]
02:11:12 ◼ ► black people typically but you know that happens to you have issues with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7872">TS</a>]
02:11:15 ◼ ► intersectional feminism blah going to live anyway so it doesn't think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7875">TS</a>]
02:11:19 ◼ ► political thing he's not raising a conservative . against Leslie he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7879">TS</a>]
02:11:24 ◼ ► raising the issue even about the movie like he has a cultural the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7884">TS</a>]
02:11:29 ◼ ► merge together with it and even the Ghostbusters thing has to do with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7889">TS</a>]
02:11:33 ◼ ► who feel like the people who were a what they thought was majority situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7893">TS</a>]
02:11:36 ◼ ► never felt the benefits of privilege now reject entirely the notion that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7896">TS</a>]
02:11:40 ◼ ► have any privilege but there's a structural cultural argument there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7900">TS</a>]
02:11:46 ◼ ► he that the basis of which the Ghostbusters is a terrible thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7906">TS</a>]
02:11:49 ◼ ► it but that is not a conservative viewpoint he's he's parlaying off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7909">TS</a>]
02:11:56 ◼ ► actually i think is the point you're trying to make a actually well-founded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7916">TS</a>]
02:11:59 ◼ ► concerned political correctness and the dial right now is set too far and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7919">TS</a>]
02:12:04 ◼ ► things that should we should be able to have a discussion about we feel like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7924">TS</a>]
02:12:08 ◼ ► can't get funny but whatever political correctness is race it's always about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7928">TS</a>]
02:12:12 ◼ ► issues i'm like that's not political correctness that someone wanted to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7932">TS</a>]
02:12:14 ◼ ► something offensive and not liking the great Prince's as opposed to a valid one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7934">TS</a>]
02:12:19 ◼ ► of a valid everyone have valid differently this thing I want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7939">TS</a>]
02:12:21 ◼ ► with speech too is I wrote this long screen a few days together like 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7941">TS</a>]
02:12:25 ◼ ► treats and sweets time I thought I was going to you wrote it really know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7945">TS</a>]
02:12:29 ◼ ► crazy reality and I got a remarkable response but I thought people wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7949">TS</a>]
02:12:33 ◼ ► listen I just had to say it because after Leslie Jones think it's like I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7953">TS</a>]
02:12:36 ◼ ► just a clear difference and I I don't study the First Amendment so I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7956">TS</a>]
02:12:39 ◼ ► tell you where the sets in law is probably people have this morning would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7959">TS</a>]
02:12:42 ◼ ► find there's a fence of speech and then there's like abusive hate threatening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7962">TS</a>]
02:12:46 ◼ ► speech right and hate speech is a difficult thing under the First [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7966">TS</a>]
02:12:49 ◼ ► Amendment because the first men so broad but I think Twitter should encourage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7969">TS</a>]
02:12:54 ◼ ► offensive speech but i think it should allow it and when I say offensive things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7974">TS</a>]
02:12:57 ◼ ► you don't want to hear our offensive and sometimes things are very offensive if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7977">TS</a>]
02:13:01 ◼ ► somebody wants to on their own account not adding me say they're not talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7981">TS</a>]
02:13:06 ◼ ► about me let's see let's see the best case they say they're Nazis want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7986">TS</a>]
02:13:10 ◼ ► Jews are terrible I think we should all go to a gas oven i wish this would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7990">TS</a>]
02:13:14 ◼ ► I hate that the world is run by jews somebody wants to say that well that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7994">TS</a>]
02:13:18 ◼ ► very general it's awful it's offensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/7998">TS</a>]
02:13:20 ◼ ► I don't want to hear it i don't have to follow them if rather they're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8000">TS</a>]
02:13:23 ◼ ► their account to exchange information to create you know to organize around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8003">TS</a>]
02:13:27 ◼ ► notions of hate to create not even to create policies but to to threaten other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8007">TS</a>]
02:13:33 ◼ ► people to gain strength allows them to then practice hate speech against other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8013">TS</a>]
02:13:37 ◼ ► people or if they're using the Twitter accounts even as like coded ways to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8017">TS</a>]
02:13:42 ◼ ► organize or promote things that they linked to on websites or everyone knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8022">TS</a>]
02:13:46 ◼ ► on a website and there's some question with Milo about like what he's posting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8026">TS</a>]
02:13:49 ◼ ► bright bart vs what he's doing on Twitter and even more careful on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8029">TS</a>]
02:13:52 ◼ ► to not be as you know provocative in some ways as well as on my report even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8032">TS</a>]
02:13:57 ◼ ► like that's a different thing so like i don't so even if nothing my list that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8037">TS</a>]
02:14:02 ◼ ► specifically individually if it weren't sent to Leslie was offensive like vile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8042">TS</a>]
02:14:10 ◼ ► but not actually abusive that maybe there's a case made that that person is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8050">TS</a>]
02:14:14 ◼ ► that there's some gray area there about saying things you don't hear because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8054">TS</a>]
02:14:18 ◼ ► John there's tons of things that people say that you don't want to hear that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8058">TS</a>]
02:14:21 ◼ ► valid political opinions that you wouldn't say that person should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8061">TS</a>]
02:14:23 ◼ ► banned unless you actually wanted to decrease free speech rights a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8063">TS</a>]
02:14:28 ◼ ► different thing and you know it's a funny thing it just isn't it is a subset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8068">TS</a>]
02:14:33 ◼ ► of these people seem to really think that free speech is that that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8073">TS</a>]
02:14:40 ◼ ► absolute that each but they should be able to do whatever they want say what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8080">TS</a>]
02:14:43 ◼ ► say whatever they want to whatever they want and if they want to add reply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8083">TS</a>]
02:14:47 ◼ ► Glenn that you should be put an oven they should be allowed to and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8087">TS</a>]
02:14:51 ◼ ► you you should figure out how to filter if you don't want to see it right off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8091">TS</a>]
02:14:54 ◼ ► route that it's your problem and I say that's hogwash that's it's absolute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8094">TS</a>]
02:14:58 ◼ ► nonsense and I know these analogies between the online world the real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8098">TS</a>]
02:15:03 ◼ ► always break down they just all because you know that's it online is so totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8103">TS</a>]
02:15:08 ◼ ► different but like my analogy was that nobody would ever tolerate a restaurant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8108">TS</a>]
02:15:13 ◼ ► no but no right no no same restaurant would never tolerate allowing a person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8113">TS</a>]
02:15:17 ◼ ► to come in and harass fellow patrons and just go up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8117">TS</a>]
02:15:21 ◼ ► you know to you know make disparaging remarks about the color of their skin or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8121">TS</a>]
02:15:27 ◼ ► that you know that they seem to be same-sex couple or whatever for anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8127">TS</a>]
02:15:34 ◼ ► you wouldn't do that why would you allow that would be it would be toxic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8134">TS</a>]
02:15:38 ◼ ► that's exactly what these storms of people harassing people on Twitter are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8138">TS</a>]
02:15:44 ◼ ► all about it's like Leslie Jones is it exactly said if I'm in a restaurant says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8144">TS</a>]
02:15:47 ◼ ► exactly the same thing so maybe she read restaurant a restaurant and a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8147">TS</a>]
02:15:51 ◼ ► people shot in front of me like that's the restaurants problem that's not my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8151">TS</a>]
02:15:56 ◼ ► problem i want to either i like the restaurant I want to come back but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8156">TS</a>]
02:15:59 ◼ ► people who shop there uncooked go there and yeah i think there's also this that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8159">TS</a>]
02:16:03 ◼ ► free speech is not the right to be heard it's the right to talk so here's here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8163">TS</a>]
02:16:08 ◼ ► I'd see that it is actually hard to behave antisocial e in the real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8168">TS</a>]
02:16:16 ◼ ► especially after you get out of the old again it's let you know kindergarten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8176">TS</a>]
02:16:23 ◼ ► there's a lot of anti-social behaviour and as you work your way through high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8183">TS</a>]
02:16:27 ◼ ► it decreases but there's off you know a lot of people have memories of a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8187">TS</a>]
02:16:30 ◼ ► anti-socials tormenters in you know middle school and high school and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8190">TS</a>]
02:16:36 ◼ ► all of a sudden it just magically goes away when you go to college and in real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8196">TS</a>]
02:16:40 ◼ ► world and most venues it is extremely difficult to behave antisocial e there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8200">TS</a>]
02:16:45 ◼ ► all sorts of social pressure and there's physical pressure like if you behave the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8205">TS</a>]
02:16:50 ◼ ► way some of these people behave on Twitter in a real-world there's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8210">TS</a>]
02:16:53 ◼ ► good chance that you get punched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8213">TS</a>]
02:16:55 ◼ ► I mean I mean no yeah it actually get punched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8215">TS</a>]
02:16:58 ◼ ► like if so for example here's an example with you and I both know a lot of uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8218">TS</a>]
02:17:04 ◼ ► we've seen it and the last year to we've seen women who get you know stand up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8224">TS</a>]
02:17:10 ◼ ► speak out on on something that upsets these people and then they get literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8230">TS</a>]
02:17:16 ◼ ► told literally threatened with rape or death in a suite at at insert you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8236">TS</a>]
02:17:21 ◼ ► the username you know I know where you live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8241">TS</a>]
02:17:26 ◼ ► you're gonna get raped if you did that to somebody in real life there's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8246">TS</a>]
02:17:31 ◼ ► good chance to usually you should be like arrested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8251">TS</a>]
02:17:34 ◼ ► but if like if somebody did that to my wife I would you know I would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8254">TS</a>]
02:17:38 ◼ ► prepared to punch the guy like because that's a dangerous situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8258">TS</a>]
02:17:42 ◼ ► people don't do that I mean that just doesn't happen so for these people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8262">TS</a>]
02:17:46 ◼ ► for whatever reason in their minds want to behave antisocial e the online world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8266">TS</a>]
02:17:52 ◼ ► and we've known this you know like you said you've been on comp research since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8272">TS</a>]
02:17:55 ◼ ► nineteen sixty-eight I mean the online world has seen this from the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8275">TS</a>]
02:17:59 ◼ ► days that there's antisocial behavior that you just didn't and don't encounter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8279">TS</a>]
02:18:02 ◼ ► in the world because you there's no there are no repercussions you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8282">TS</a>]
02:18:07 ◼ ► away with it you can do it so people have gotten into these hordes that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8287">TS</a>]
02:18:14 ◼ ► harass people and they seem to enjoy doing it and what they're being told now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8294">TS</a>]
02:18:19 ◼ ► like with this Milo getting kicked off twitter is no you can't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8299">TS</a>]
02:18:22 ◼ ► well if they can't do it then there's all of a sudden they don't have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8302">TS</a>]
02:18:25 ◼ ► outlet for this anti-social behaviour and part of it too is that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8305">TS</a>]
02:18:30 ◼ ► behave you can go off into a what's that fortune or whatever and I gotta hang out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8310">TS</a>]
02:18:35 ◼ ► with your fellow uh you know sickos and do this that the beauty of Twitter from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8315">TS</a>]
02:18:43 ◼ ► this these these weirdos perspective is that they can add reply these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8323">TS</a>]
02:18:47 ◼ ► women and minorities and get there the get their jollies by knowing that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8327">TS</a>]
02:18:54 ◼ ► people who check the replies are going to see it and then when they engage it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8334">TS</a>]
02:18:58 ◼ ► like they just go bananas because it's like they know then its conformation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8338">TS</a>]
02:19:02 ◼ ► like once they knew that Leslie Jones was actually seeing this stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8342">TS</a>]
02:19:05 ◼ ► reacting to it it just made it worse because this is exactly what they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8345">TS</a>]
02:19:09 ◼ ► to do they want to behave in an extremely almost sociopathic way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8349">TS</a>]
02:19:14 ◼ ► they can and there's no other outlet for it in the world and so now that twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8354">TS</a>]
02:19:18 ◼ ► stand you know so they're standing behind free speech but what they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8358">TS</a>]
02:19:21 ◼ ► want is they want their special bullying venue to remain available special and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8361">TS</a>]
02:19:28 ◼ ► is probably not what we want says it's no that's a lot of regulation that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8368">TS</a>]
02:19:33 ◼ ► way these guys see Twitter that is exactly the way they see Twitter there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8373">TS</a>]
02:19:36 ◼ ► a high degree of asymmetric quality and Twitter that could be changed and randi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8376">TS</a>]
02:19:40 ◼ ► harper knows i've been working on tools i use her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8380">TS</a>]
02:19:43 ◼ ► good was called a good game blocklist forget GGO blocker with the Block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8383">TS</a>]
02:19:49 ◼ ► together as the tool and so you subscribe lock together as a web app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8389">TS</a>]
02:19:52 ◼ ► with the twitter api integration you log into it and then you can add shared list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8392">TS</a>]
02:19:57 ◼ ► of other people you want to maintain and you can set a few throttles and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8397">TS</a>]
02:20:00 ◼ ► so Block together exists a third party thing Twitter allows it and they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8400">TS</a>]
02:20:04 ◼ ► 12,000 people on Randy's list that are auto-generated from people who follow a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8404">TS</a>]
02:20:08 ◼ ► few major accounts which will change because one of the few major accounts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8408">TS</a>]
02:20:11 ◼ ► was mileage so which was at near 0 and 0 twitter by the way when it block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8411">TS</a>]
02:20:16 ◼ ► currently suspended account that kind of dead forever at near will never be used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8416">TS</a>]
02:20:20 ◼ ► again right now in it for the Sun burns out potentially so anyway so I randy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8420">TS</a>]
02:20:25 ◼ ► harper wrote this thing I just want to ask about the other day it's not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8425">TS</a>]
02:20:28 ◼ ► February's a medium piece you can search for randy harper medium Twitter ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8428">TS</a>]
02:20:32 ◼ ► and find internists putting out of nowhere but she had like twenty three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8432">TS</a>]
02:20:35 ◼ ► ideas for Twitter she's a developer she's been working at 3p I she's met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8435">TS</a>]
02:20:39 ◼ ► with them she's knows how everything works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8439">TS</a>]
02:20:42 ◼ ► I'm the you know the outside of the black box she knows it as well as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8442">TS</a>]
02:20:46 ◼ ► anybody trying to develop anti-abuse of tools the stuff she mentioned some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8446">TS</a>]
02:20:49 ◼ ► its trivial so it's harder she's not sure the severity of work required for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8449">TS</a>]
02:20:54 ◼ ► all of it but those things are still out there and so the issue with twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8454">TS</a>]
02:20:58 ◼ ► isn't so much that people can get together abuses that you as a party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8458">TS</a>]
02:21:03 ◼ ► it is bad at asymmetrical warfare where someone can get a hundred someone can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8463">TS</a>]
02:21:07 ◼ ► either create a thousand accounts and tweet at you or get a hundred thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8467">TS</a>]
02:21:11 ◼ ► people like the the to the twitch twitchy there's a conservative site and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8471">TS</a>]
02:21:14 ◼ ► they will often say basically that person is bad and then all the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8474">TS</a>]
02:21:18 ◼ ► who follow twitchy or go to the website will go off i get i say i'll say respond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8478">TS</a>]
02:21:22 ◼ ► to something Sally Cohen says you know I've little back-and-forth her about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8482">TS</a>]
02:21:26 ◼ ► something and we're being funny or whatever I think I'm being funny and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8486">TS</a>]
02:21:30 ◼ ► will certainly get all these people who hate follow Sally Cohen I've never been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8490">TS</a>]
02:21:33 ◼ ► targeted by twitchy as far as i know and i get like you know a hundred or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8493">TS</a>]
02:21:38 ◼ ► hundred tweets from people who don't spell and flags their BIOS and just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8498">TS</a>]
02:21:42 ◼ ► you're about four blocks worldwide you know it's like it's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8502">TS</a>]
02:21:44 ◼ ► intelligible it's just like random anger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8504">TS</a>]
02:21:48 ◼ ► there's nothing I can do to stop fix a blocking wintertime even the auto block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8508">TS</a>]
02:21:51 ◼ ► list on helping so if there were tools like if you started getting a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8511">TS</a>]
02:21:55 ◼ ► tweets you could think they're dials and tools you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8515">TS</a>]
02:21:57 ◼ ► could adjust there are things that can happen that would alive that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8517">TS</a>]
02:22:00 ◼ ► either temporarily or as a permanent block you can prevent the course to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8520">TS</a>]
02:22:04 ◼ ► literate was going towards the thing I was talking about they have an appt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8524">TS</a>]
02:22:09 ◼ ► they released a separate app is basically it's good if you have verified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8529">TS</a>]
02:22:12 ◼ ► account works fine otherwise but it's a little tailored towards being a verified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8532">TS</a>]
02:22:16 ◼ ► person with the large number of followers and spoke mostly posting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8536">TS</a>]
02:22:21 ◼ ► rather than doing a ton of interaction with everybody forgot the name of it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8541">TS</a>]
02:22:25 ◼ ► I so Twitter just the other day so they're going to open verification to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8545">TS</a>]
02:22:29 ◼ ► everybody with a prog opaque process that I think involve sending a picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8549">TS</a>]
02:22:33 ◼ ► ID to them as you're going to give them your OD so conceivably this is one step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8553">TS</a>]
02:22:37 ◼ ► on the road to more people being verified and what if there are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8557">TS</a>]
02:22:40 ◼ ► hundred thousand most prolific engage Twitter people are all verified well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8560">TS</a>]
02:22:45 ◼ ► that can be removed as well so maybe twitter is moving towards a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8565">TS</a>]
02:22:48 ◼ ► asymmetrical model where we were only following we give up falling random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8568">TS</a>]
02:22:51 ◼ ► people if you can't be bothered about verify I thought for a long time Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8571">TS</a>]
02:22:55 ◼ ► should offer a basic level verification where you have to use a phone number to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8575">TS</a>]
02:22:59 ◼ ► confirm even though phone numbers can be disposable and whatever it's a high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8579">TS</a>]
02:23:03 ◼ ► enough bar that if you're just taking a text from a phone number your you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8583">TS</a>]
02:23:08 ◼ ► it's a hassle if that account gets banned or blocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8588">TS</a>]
02:23:11 ◼ ► it's a household the other phone number you can only get so many you can get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8591">TS</a>]
02:23:14 ◼ ► 10,000 hundred thousand phone numbers but they could have some basic level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8594">TS</a>]
02:23:18 ◼ ► that doesn't involve sending a photo ID and I could say look I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8598">TS</a>]
02:23:21 ◼ ► deal with people are completely anonymous I only want to see people my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8601">TS</a>]
02:23:23 ◼ ► timeline who I follow and you know where orchestrating only people who follow me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8603">TS</a>]
02:23:28 ◼ ► who I want to see them so i let people who follow me if they've opted in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8608">TS</a>]
02:23:33 ◼ ► because I get most of my eight from people don't follow me and i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8613">TS</a>]
02:23:35 ◼ ► true in general people don't follow Brianna Wu and then spew hatred or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8615">TS</a>]
02:23:40 ◼ ► typically people to follow you because they think it gives it a little extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8620">TS</a>]
02:23:43 ◼ ► were so I only want to see things in my time we will follow because I can block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8623">TS</a>]
02:23:47 ◼ ► them or i could change that means checkbox and from people or people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8627">TS</a>]
02:23:51 ◼ ► don't follow me who if they're not retreat from somebody else that's cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8631">TS</a>]
02:23:56 ◼ ► see people who I follows between us but people who have gone through a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8636">TS</a>]
02:24:00 ◼ ► basic level verification that doesn't cost money like I don't want this to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8640">TS</a>]
02:24:04 ◼ ► a first-world developing world thing or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8644">TS</a>]
02:24:06 ◼ ► but there's only things they could do they could put lots of throttles and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8646">TS</a>]
02:24:10 ◼ ► John you know there's a setting called a filter low-quality tweets in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8650">TS</a>]
02:24:14 ◼ ► account right i know i did that it's only available to verify people so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8654">TS</a>]
02:24:18 ◼ ► it's been available for like two years if you check that they use their machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8658">TS</a>]
02:24:22 ◼ ► learning i think it's using machine learning to filter out tweets that look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8662">TS</a>]
02:24:27 ◼ ► I don't know I don't know I don't know what it is i think part of it obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8667">TS</a>]
02:24:32 ◼ ► is that I am a white man i can do things like right about Milo yo napolis in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8672">TS</a>]
02:24:41 ◼ ► very critical way and at least knock on wood to date I don't get I get very I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8681">TS</a>]
02:24:46 ◼ ► I got responses and Twitter but it wasn't any kind i wouldn't call it abuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8686">TS</a>]
02:24:49 ◼ ► me never people who disagreed and arriving you know people who started we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8689">TS</a>]
02:24:53 ◼ ► disagreed a little bit a little bit of it was ugly but I don't get any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8693">TS</a>]
02:24:58 ◼ ► whereas if I think if I was you know John Gruber I think there's a very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8698">TS</a>]
02:25:04 ◼ ► chance that i i i really do I should I detest I thought about a/b testing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8704">TS</a>]
02:25:10 ◼ ► creating a fake account that was under the name of a woman with the woman space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8710">TS</a>]
02:25:14 ◼ ► with someone's permission some people have tried this on like OkCupid they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8714">TS</a>]
02:25:16 ◼ ► got my friends permission to use their image and just been like you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8716">TS</a>]
02:25:20 ◼ ► then it becomes me becomes a start i want to be a stunning left when we lived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8720">TS</a>]
02:25:23 ◼ ► through this people of color right people with your not you know sis male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8723">TS</a>]
02:25:26 ◼ ► straight why it's like they already have enough problems that I don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8726">TS</a>]
02:25:31 ◼ ► pretend to do like racism tourism or something like that no other ISM I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8731">TS</a>]
02:25:36 ◼ ► should try it though because I would be interesting i actually just by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8736">TS</a>]
02:25:39 ◼ ► coincidence last night i crafted what I'd I think I don't know how else you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8739">TS</a>]
02:25:45 ◼ ► better I should go to five-star i think i wrote my two most popular tweets of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8745">TS</a>]
02:25:51 ◼ ► no no really yeah and it did beating my old one which was my original all-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8751">TS</a>]
02:25:59 ◼ ► best tweet was like from 2009 and I said I me see if i can get it right i said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8759">TS</a>]
02:26:02 ◼ ► i'm looking up here I don't drink I don't gamble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8762">TS</a>]
02:26:06 ◼ ► oh yeah and I thought I thought my one vice and what restaurant week you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8766">TS</a>]
02:26:12 ◼ ► read I was like okay I don't drink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8772">TS</a>]
02:26:13 ◼ ► personally I don't gamble I don't drink my one vice is buy a new iphone every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8773">TS</a>]
02:26:20 ◼ ► electrocuting carefully i remember that when I was great i was twenty-five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8780">TS</a>]
02:26:24 ◼ ► yes that's my was previously my all-time favorite tweet the last night after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8784">TS</a>]
02:26:29 ◼ ► looking at your numbers this is hilarious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8789">TS</a>]
02:26:31 ◼ ► what are you using to look at him i'm using that I like that star I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8791">TS</a>]
02:26:35 ◼ ► I'm just been enough i'm looking at nick kristof and are my friend Susan Orlean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8795">TS</a>]
02:26:40 ◼ ► both retweeted it and chris hayes from MSNBC retweet it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8800">TS</a>]
02:26:45 ◼ ► yeah i'm looking at one of them is nick kristof and maybe christoph did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8805">TS</a>]
02:26:48 ◼ ► columnist for The Times Susan ordained staff writer for The New Yorker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8808">TS</a>]
02:26:54 ◼ ► yeah it is unbelievable like somehow it got into the cycle of like top political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8814">TS</a>]
02:26:58 ◼ ► reporters and they already tweeted it so what your followed by you have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8818">TS</a>]
02:27:02 ◼ ► interesting group of followers overlap so people who this is what I've had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8822">TS</a>]
02:27:06 ◼ ► breakouts i have like six thousand retweets which is like a 50 times more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8826">TS</a>]
02:27:11 ◼ ► than anything I've ever said before because i made a comment about breakfast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8831">TS</a>]
02:27:14 ◼ ► it because of the morning after I'm like I'm listening everything and I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8834">TS</a>]
02:27:18 ◼ ► this isn't gonna happen like there is a plan here the and I wrote something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8838">TS</a>]
02:27:23 ◼ ► about basically like brexit you know this could be such political suicide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8843">TS</a>]
02:27:26 ◼ ► that that breaks it's not gonna happen i got retweeted like 6,000 times oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8846">TS</a>]
02:27:33 ◼ ► those were actually interesting i got hundreds and hundreds of replies from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8853">TS</a>]
02:27:36 ◼ ► people so if I thought I was an idiot and I've been so people thought I do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8856">TS</a>]
02:27:39 ◼ ► like I don't vote in UK and other opinion on this but i love you can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8859">TS</a>]
02:27:43 ◼ ► wanted to succeed but i also got very informed things by people who are were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8863">TS</a>]
02:27:47 ◼ ► torn about it or voted for remain anyway but yeah you're splitter this is running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8867">TS</a>]
02:27:52 ◼ ► away so i have to tweet one after another and I connected him with three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8872">TS</a>]
02:27:57 ◼ ► let's play what if what if Barack Obama had five children with three different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8877">TS</a>]
02:28:02 ◼ ► women immediately followed by one of Hillary Clinton had five children with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8882">TS</a>]
02:28:08 ◼ ► I thought those were pretty brilliant i was you know what's funny and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8888">TS</a>]
02:28:12 ◼ ► not two not credit you with originality and wait because you have a lot of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8892">TS</a>]
02:28:15 ◼ ► i'm going to butter you up but what I saw there was like oh my god is no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8895">TS</a>]
02:28:20 ◼ ► tweeted that before because the minute you see it it's absolutely obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8900">TS</a>]
02:28:23 ◼ ► because they're all the other onstage the firefighters are on stage and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8903">TS</a>]
02:28:27 ◼ ► like holy crap but like nobody had set it as succinctly and with the perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8907">TS</a>]
02:28:33 ◼ ► so I did my atra plane over so the one tweet the one mentioned doing both the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8913">TS</a>]
02:28:38 ◼ ► first one with Barack Obama has a 3100 retweets and Hillary Clinton one is 3834 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8918">TS</a>]
02:28:45 ◼ ► retweets so I even though i have an unusual twitter account large number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8925">TS</a>]
02:28:49 ◼ ► followers i had two tweets that were obviously a little provocative presented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8929">TS</a>]
02:28:58 ◼ ► to an awful lot more people who you then who usually read my tweets and somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8938">TS</a>]
02:29:02 ◼ ► at my current at reply stream is I can't get to the bottom I can't keep up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8942">TS</a>]
02:29:06 ◼ ► it right now you must be out of control i'm looking at when I look at the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8946">TS</a>]
02:29:09 ◼ ► who retweeted it there's a bunch of people in there that I know like Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8949">TS</a>]
02:29:12 ◼ ► Montero and John siracusa and people are definitely the tech side of things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8952">TS</a>]
02:29:16 ◼ ► then you know it's a lot of a lot of the footmen like I mean looking at the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8956">TS</a>]
02:29:21 ◼ ► retweet and then it's a lot of just really interesting people who obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8961">TS</a>]
02:29:23 ◼ ► found this to another thing but some of them have 50,000 60,000 there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8963">TS</a>]
02:29:28 ◼ ► incredible i mean this is what's interesting about twitter is like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8968">TS</a>]
02:29:31 ◼ ► makes everyone have the ability to be a pundit or to be a stand-up comedian and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8971">TS</a>]
02:29:35 ◼ ► reach an audience they don't otherwise and it's like sometimes you feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8975">TS</a>]
02:29:39 ◼ ► you're shouting of the void like there's times next time can ask me you know from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8979">TS</a>]
02:29:42 ◼ ► a large community us piano while ago he's like you know everybody follows you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8982">TS</a>]
02:29:47 ◼ ► do you feel compelled to say it and he wasn't used mildly castigating exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8987">TS</a>]
02:29:50 ◼ ► going on about something and I was like I you know I did go on about something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8990">TS</a>]
02:29:54 ◼ ► I'm like you know I don't think everyone who follows me actually like and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8994">TS</a>]
02:29:58 ◼ ► people follow me read every tweet this percentage little Twitter nobody can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/8998">TS</a>]
02:30:02 ◼ ► love so that's I didn't mean to be such . i met more like you can use Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9002">TS</a>]
02:30:05 ◼ ► analytics anyone can log in and you actually get to see the impressions like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9005">TS</a>]
02:30:09 ◼ ► what percentage of your audience sees its fascinates good it's good and bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9009">TS</a>]
02:30:13 ◼ ► for the ego to we got a wrestling know if this shows it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9013">TS</a>]
02:30:17 ◼ ► yes so these things that i say where I'm glad at times to be able to say I missed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9017">TS</a>]
02:30:22 ◼ ► you say this because I want other people to know that other people feel it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9022">TS</a>]
02:30:25 ◼ ► ah I the bottom line twitter has got to get a handle on it cannot just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9025">TS</a>]
02:30:32 ◼ ► something that they address on it somebody of Leslie Jones is stature this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9032">TS</a>]
02:30:36 ◼ ► needs to be something that everybody feels like they're not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9036">TS</a>]
02:30:40 ◼ ► abused not and i agree there is a fine line and it is worrisome and Twitter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9040">TS</a>]
02:30:44 ◼ ► it's difficult and I'd I trust that can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9044">TS</a>]
02:30:46 ◼ ► on which is there should not try to prevent offensive speech or ideas that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9046">TS</a>]
02:30:53 ◼ ► some people find the asset for being expressed on twitter but they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9053">TS</a>]
02:30:57 ◼ ► absolutely make it seem as the people are not going to be attacked and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9057">TS</a>]
02:31:01 ◼ ► is the different human being i don't know if you could do it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9061">TS</a>]
02:31:04 ◼ ► algorithmically I really don't i think you can use some algorithms to help but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9064">TS</a>]
02:31:08 ◼ ► I think when somebody reports abuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9068">TS</a>]
02:31:10 ◼ ► I think somebody at Twitter who has any bit of empathy can easily discern this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9070">TS</a>]
02:31:14 ◼ ► is just an offensive idea versus this is a personal attack on this other user is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9074">TS</a>]
02:31:21 ◼ ► over some of its nuance but 1000 accounts with your than a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9081">TS</a>]
02:31:25 ◼ ► followers all tweet within a few minutes of each other at one account i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9085">TS</a>]
02:31:29 ◼ ► machines can learn what that means and i would even be in favor of in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9089">TS</a>]
02:31:33 ◼ ► the nuance of if there's any doubt you know don't suspend the account right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9093">TS</a>]
02:31:39 ◼ ► but it's so many cases where it's easily should be recognized and the other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9099">TS</a>]
02:31:43 ◼ ► that Twitter cannot you can say well there's a scaling problem their twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9103">TS</a>]
02:31:47 ◼ ► I get it I don't know how sustainable that is i think it's it's you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9107">TS</a>]
02:31:51 ◼ ► if we do a whole segment on the show about it is why in the world is Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9111">TS</a>]
02:31:53 ◼ ► have so many employees because it doesn't seem like there's much new stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9113">TS</a>]
02:31:57 ◼ ► they certainly have the resources to hire a staff that can look into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9117">TS</a>]
02:32:01 ◼ ► abuse and I think it absolutely needs to be done and it ties into the amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9121">TS</a>]
02:32:05 ◼ ► thing where it really is hurting Twitter's reputation or twitter is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9125">TS</a>]
02:32:08 ◼ ► getting more and more getting a reputation as a place where if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9128">TS</a>]
02:32:10 ◼ ► participate you especially as a woman you're doing very good chance of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9130">TS</a>]
02:32:17 ◼ ► abused by Twitter Spencer literally hundreds of millions of dollars year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9137">TS</a>]
02:32:21 ◼ ► literally hundred million dollars here on R&D it's it's astonishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9141">TS</a>]
02:32:25 ◼ ► I don't know what exactly can is already but it's a big part of their expense so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9145">TS</a>]
02:32:29 ◼ ► they're working on it but I up bottom line anyway Glenn thanks for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9149">TS</a>]
02:32:33 ◼ ► you've got a new book new books to promote to microfiber think i got i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9153">TS</a>]
02:32:39 ◼ ► got deep into the slack well do you use slack i know that you are mine alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9159">TS</a>]
02:32:43 ◼ ► I i am a regular participant on one slack that's yeah it's slack you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9163">TS</a>]
02:32:48 ◼ ► i have 6 lakhs and part of and someone thankfully not very loud but I like them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9168">TS</a>]
02:32:52 ◼ ► all but you can get out of control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9172">TS</a>]
02:32:53 ◼ ► so yeah they're friends at picture books and montagna thanks long time Mac folk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9173">TS</a>]
02:32:58 ◼ ► we're talking about like we started using it and it's like it's it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9178">TS</a>]
02:33:02 ◼ ► quite like pokemon go that's not that addicted but boy it went from zero to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9182">TS</a>]
02:33:06 ◼ ► 100 millions really quickly and we were complaining amongst ourselves like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9186">TS</a>]
02:33:11 ◼ ► do we do this what's this thing was like oh if we can figure this out and we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9191">TS</a>]
02:33:15 ◼ ► used a thousand software packages in our life perhaps it would be useful to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9195">TS</a>]
02:33:18 ◼ ► book so i did a book that's take control of slack basics that is for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9198">TS</a>]
02:33:23 ◼ ► are users who want to be able to master it because the online documentation it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9203">TS</a>]
02:33:27 ◼ ► good offering matter how he's you know involved in documentation some aspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9207">TS</a>]
02:33:31 ◼ ► that many filters found a great guy and now slacks head of documentation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9211">TS</a>]
02:33:37 ◼ ► yeah I don't know they're working on their side but like they have any rights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9217">TS</a>]
02:33:41 ◼ ► yeah they do a different day different things like online documentation is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9221">TS</a>]
02:33:45 ◼ ► like a motorcade control book is about like their experiential different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9225">TS</a>]
02:33:49 ◼ ► you know you've worked manuals workload stuff and so I wrote a book that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9229">TS</a>]
02:33:52 ◼ ► it's divided subjects using channels and messages and even how to do emoji and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9232">TS</a>]
02:33:56 ◼ ► forth and it's the ideas you wake up one morning so many people know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9236">TS</a>]
02:34:00 ◼ ► happened to your 30 years old 40-50 and everyone's that you'll get a message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9240">TS</a>]
02:34:06 ◼ ► we're using slack started like oh god not another piece of software so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9246">TS</a>]
02:34:09 ◼ ► book is partly for people who has sort of slack thrown at them on other you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9249">TS</a>]
02:34:13 ◼ ► know also for people who want to master it without having to go through sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9253">TS</a>]
02:34:18 ◼ ► discover everything there's a lot of stuff in there and then i wrote a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9258">TS</a>]
02:34:20 ◼ ► complimentary book that's how to setup a slack team which is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9260">TS</a>]
02:34:24 ◼ ► straightforward in some ways a lot of detail and so if you don't have an IT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9264">TS</a>]
02:34:28 ◼ ► organization behind you but you want to set it up you want to run it well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9268">TS</a>]
02:34:31 ◼ ► wanna make sure people stay civil and how do you keep things correct and keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9271">TS</a>]
02:34:35 ◼ ► people from doing no stupid things but also just set up so it is secure and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9275">TS</a>]
02:34:40 ◼ ► sensible as you want so i have this great URL you can go to take control . [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9280">TS</a>]
02:34:44 ◼ ► com of course financial books rather calm course but i have a slack help . me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9284">TS</a>]
02:34:49 ◼ ► I got this URL and very happy about it like helped me i will actually put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9289">TS</a>]
02:34:53 ◼ ► insurance i love just by the way I know it's probably not about you know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9293">TS</a>]
02:34:58 ◼ ► no Adam but i love the new cover design for the take control books so it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9298">TS</a>]
02:35:03 ◼ ► great took a lot of years to figure out what we didn't like we do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9303">TS</a>]
02:35:06 ◼ ► illustrative approach and then the minute I saw the new designs when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9306">TS</a>]
02:35:09 ◼ ► they're in progress i'm like oh this is it's like discovering what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9309">TS</a>]
02:35:13 ◼ ► cutting away at a block of marble and there's the sculpture and so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9313">TS</a>]
02:35:16 ◼ ► it's probably no surprise that you know you can guess that I you know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9316">TS</a>]
02:35:20 ◼ ► my taste and graphics but well one of the things that I really love about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9320">TS</a>]
02:35:24 ◼ ► new cover design is that time putting the the where the author title is it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9324">TS</a>]
02:35:28 ◼ ► author title is in relatively small print them on the topic is a big print [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9328">TS</a>]
02:35:33 ◼ ► which is right because that's what take control books are about their very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9333">TS</a>]
02:35:36 ◼ ► topical there's like they heard this is about slack admin so that's nice and big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9336">TS</a>]
02:35:41 ◼ ► real nice fun all caps which I of course like then the author name is down below [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9341">TS</a>]
02:35:45 ◼ ► real small but because it's surrounded by white space it is so prominent and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9345">TS</a>]
02:35:50 ◼ ► I'll of prominence in an author's name like it's cuz that's me is the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9350">TS</a>]
02:35:55 ◼ ► point of the take control series is that they're not just turned out these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9355">TS</a>]
02:35:59 ◼ ► like the best writers in our racket who do these things it's fun too i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9359">TS</a>]
02:36:03 ◼ ► reading ebooks after I mean I kind of Miss print but you know faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9363">TS</a>]
02:36:07 ◼ ► yeah yeah so slack slack splits it's fun i know people had a jeff carstens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9367">TS</a>]
02:36:12 ◼ ► longtime macro his wife have a two-person slide because it's for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9372">TS</a>]
02:36:16 ◼ ► can use it free it would go with some limits but not you know 10,000 people we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9376">TS</a>]
02:36:20 ◼ ► have a slack group we set up if people go to slack helped me there's a link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9380">TS</a>]
02:36:23 ◼ ► that's the public's lack team that anyone can join who just wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9383">TS</a>]
02:36:27 ◼ ► understand what slack is like without having to set one up so it sports called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9387">TS</a>]
02:36:30 ◼ ► slack bits and we're having discussions about mac stuff but also slack help and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9390">TS</a>]
02:36:34 ◼ ► great we got several hundred people join you just they wanted a place to go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9394">TS</a>]
02:36:38 ◼ ► no overhead and because it takes five minutes to set up a slack team that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9398">TS</a>]
02:36:42 ◼ ► have to set one up and you're dealing with it so I like there's a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9402">TS</a>]
02:36:45 ◼ ► slit so my very last . lot more public slack team starting like this one for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9405">TS</a>]
02:36:49 ◼ ► mac admins is a bunch of like hearing about private ones that have hundreds or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9409">TS</a>]
02:36:53 ◼ ► thousands of people if twitter isn't careful some of the conversations gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9413">TS</a>]
02:36:57 ◼ ► get drained off the private slack groups where everything is controlled that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9417">TS</a>]
02:37:00 ◼ ► very interesting TYIN and lie on the slack that I'm on that point has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9420">TS</a>]
02:37:05 ◼ ► there's a lot of you I've heard this from other people but on the board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9425">TS</a>]
02:37:07 ◼ ► online with you know you probably know everybody's there is a bunch of mutual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9427">TS</a>]
02:37:11 ◼ ► but it's relatively small group maybe like 15 of us and and no under a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9431">TS</a>]
02:37:17 ◼ ► bunch of them have admitted that they personally use Twitter a lot less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9437">TS</a>]
02:37:21 ◼ ► because of this this slack there thinking rather just communicate with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9441">TS</a>]
02:37:25 ◼ ► this handful of good friends people who i would like to go and have dinner and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9445">TS</a>]
02:37:29 ◼ ► drink with then interact with the world at large on Twitter just because of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9449">TS</a>]
02:37:33 ◼ ► know a couple of knuckleheads soup make it unpleasant it's safe you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9453">TS</a>]
02:37:37 ◼ ► know what is part of their group and even if it's a republic group is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9457">TS</a>]
02:37:40 ◼ ► industry we can kick anybody off and uncomfortable podcast network we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9460">TS</a>]
02:37:44 ◼ ► comfortable slack without 50 or 60 people who are involved in the many many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9464">TS</a>]
02:37:48 ◼ ► many podcasts Jason style is now i got up at the site and that's where a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9468">TS</a>]
02:37:53 ◼ ► my conversation that I don't trust to do publicly anymore because there's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9473">TS</a>]
02:37:57 ◼ ► many jerks on Twitter who will respond to it i have those conversations with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9477">TS</a>]
02:38:00 ◼ ► the same people who i would have a Twitter have not properly so sad but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9480">TS</a>]
02:38:04 ◼ ► my thanks to You Glenn you've been so generous with your time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9484">TS</a>]
02:38:07 ◼ ► what a great conversation is a good episode i really liked it remember that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9487">TS</a>]
02:38:11 ◼ ► URL if you do slack you got any interesting it go check out the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9491">TS</a>]
02:38:14 ◼ ► they're really worth it and slack definitely has a lot of power user stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9494">TS</a>]
02:38:16 ◼ ► that you're going to be like I didn't know I could do that at slac help . me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9496">TS</a>]
02:38:21 ◼ ► you'll find links to both books my thanks to our sponsors we've got Casper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9501">TS</a>]
02:38:25 ◼ ► where you can go to buy a mattress and we've got fracture or you can print out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy9n7dY/9505">TS</a>]