161: ‘Mumbles and Grunts’, With Special Guest John Moltz

0:00:00you wearing shoes I yeah Mr we re going out is through we have an outside day I

0:00:06I'm not wearing shoes I've done it with socks on in the wintertime I often do it

0:00:11with my slippers and I it's so ungodly hot here that I and we have air

0:00:19conditioning but it's it's like their conditioning is struggling to keep up

0:00:24its losing the battle we were down in Florida for some you know see some of

0:00:31the theme parks for a family vacation and the weather is is of course stifling

0:00:36hot and humid down in orlando florida and it is exactly exactly the same here

0:00:41in Philadelphia yeah well we always plan our our trip back east

0:00:45I'm to coincide with the worst possible whether so early August will be will be

0:00:49going will be going to baltimore and i'll call beautiful Baltimore is

0:00:54absolutely beautiful in August that the timing couldn't be better get just like

0:01:00you to give your sweat glands to a good you know yeah right it's like it's like

0:01:04Glenn you know it's like like when they when they get your car get service they

0:01:09put it up on the thing with the wheel spin and they you know put that you got

0:01:12it you got to put the gas all the way down

0:01:14that's what you know you'd just get it you know do that with your sweat glands

0:01:18yeah flush out all the toxins barefoot I'm absolutely Baron I got a lot of

0:01:23toxins so we can roll right is I one of the things I wanted to talk to you about

0:01:28really do a little parenting little parenting episode here of the talk show

0:01:31because I was catching up on podcasts and the ATP you guys were talking about

0:01:37a quote-unquote screen time

0:01:39mhm and made the the excellent . we don't we don't really talk about screen

0:01:44time here in our family either that it's

0:01:48as Syracuse's had a big long rant about it but basically it's no it's no fair

0:01:52just say screen time because it you know if the kids reading a book on an iPad

0:01:57realize that count his screen time I mean it's like yes things that you might

0:02:01want to limit like watching TV and YouTube and movies and playing video

0:02:06games right

0:02:08I don't think this is is Hank aware of that there are such things as video

0:02:11games you have played 12 jones played one or two

0:02:15Jonas has discovered them and he seen me play them

0:02:18I know that much i I don't know it is interesting no Amy and I I you know we

0:02:24don't really have like a hard and fast rule about it and I think if anything we

0:02:29are probably a little too lacks about yeah yeah we're probably we're probably

0:02:34much the same Jonas's of the personality that it you know he's very sociable he

0:02:41is but he would happily spend his entire summer and doing nothing but playing

0:02:48video games in our house right yeah yeah i mean in the tank would do that would

0:02:55you know would do the same and we usually when our thanks it's not so much

0:02:58screen time as it is like non screen time and there's a minimum right like

0:03:04you've got to figure out something to do that doesn't involve looking at the

0:03:07screen right right and so you know he doesn't know he plays chess we play

0:03:11chess with him he likes to cook

0:03:13we often have them in the kitchen to make dinner and lunch and stuff like

0:03:16that and so we do things like that but I mean yeah but like you said like a lot

0:03:21of the stuff he plays on it on his iPad or his iphone is like he'll play chess

0:03:26or his playing Words With Friends with family members and that stuff doesn't

0:03:31seem bad right

0:03:34I mean it's certainly no you know it's certainly way better than playing you

0:03:38know I can't even think I only place that he likes to still likes to play

0:03:41flappy bird and andy and you know he's much better at it than I am so you know

0:03:47he's developed he's developed serious flappy bird skills so that's good

0:03:50that'll sure that will work out well for him later in life

0:03:54one of the things that Amy and I struggle with and it is

0:03:59it is different from when you and I were kids because I would have had died while

0:04:04i like playing sports and Jonas doesn't so I would go out to play actual sports

0:04:08on and we had a community pool and in the small town where I grew up

0:04:15that was where everybody hung out and so we don't you know in the summer with

0:04:19every i would go to the pool every day just go to the pool

0:04:23Jonas doesn't really have anything like that here but the other thing that is

0:04:26different is that sometimes not all the time but not even most of the time but

0:04:30sometimes the games are actually sociable where his friends will you know

0:04:35text each other and say let's all play whatever and they everybody you know

0:04:41it's it seems like a very happy coincidence i mean maybe there's one for

0:04:45kidney is gangs got an xbox instead of a Playstation and I just don't know about

0:04:49it and he's like excluded but they all have playstation fours which I really

0:04:55don't remember when we got it that it was coordinated with his friends it

0:04:58seems like a happy coincidence but anyway they're all on these headsets in

0:05:01there yelling at each other and it's a lot like you know like having them over

0:05:05to the house you know the kids are in house except right the other people

0:05:09stinky kids aren't in my house so it's actually kind of great

0:05:12I but Amy and I don't really know you know how it does that is that it you

0:05:18know a little bit you know it seems it seems almost a wrong to to you know not

0:05:24to limit it but to say hey enough because it seems like that's what his

0:05:27friends want to do to play with each other

0:05:29mhm yeah which is kind of what we would have done like going out someplace right

0:05:35the doing something and i imagine i mean i would feel I would think that where

0:05:38you live

0:05:40I mean maybe he's getting old enough now but it's not exactly the kind of

0:05:44environment that she would just like let kids out the door and now we well I'm

0:05:48Amy and I differ on that a little bit i'm a little bit more willing to start

0:05:51letting him go out and about and amy is still of the beast 12 so yes Virginia

0:05:58her decline out that everybody knows how old my kids but he's 12 heading into

0:06:01seventh grade

0:06:02amy is still very overt not overprotective

0:06:06very protective and perhaps reason perhaps you know it to the point where I

0:06:11don't I don't you know I I I almost defer to her wisdom that you know but i

0:06:16still think though that I think the world's largest very different you and I

0:06:19grew up as like the last of the wild feral kids

0:06:25yeah I mean I but I just lived in a different environment too

0:06:30I mean as much more as much smaller town and lots of we had words in the backyard

0:06:35and we know trails leading in all directions and so we I mean we were just

0:06:41you know and I could go out the door anytime and just play in the woods or

0:06:48something we haven't playing in the woods was the thing that we did and we

0:06:51don't have that mean you know he may if he goes out to play in the woods here

0:06:54that's you know inhabited by almost people so it's not it's not the same

0:07:02we did he die we you know but it is important for him to do and we're kind

0:07:05of you know we're getting that I mean we've done with you know like he's got a

0:07:08friend who lives like three blocks away and we know we will let him walk over

0:07:12there anytime he wants to

0:07:14so he's you know you get he gets it he gets definitely do some of that and you

0:07:19know the other like a almost it was a fourth of July anyway was a few weeks

0:07:24ago and we had some friends over and like he had a buddy with you know with

0:07:28this other couple

0:07:30and in that they we were having dessert I think and we didn't we were out of

0:07:33like whipped cream and he loves to have like whipped cream on his ice cream so

0:07:36certainly not only in you know instead of complaining about want to walk over

0:07:40the convenience store and get in which is like four blocks from here

0:07:43don't you walk to the convenience store and go get something so the two of them

0:07:47just think we gave them like five bucks they walked out Doran and then you know

0:07:50they walked every morning and came back and and that's the canyon

0:07:54it's just find particularly now milady de winter stupidly when there's two of

0:07:57them

0:07:58I feel much better about it it seems ridiculous right that that's like a

0:08:03moment but I know exactly what you mean like we're actually at the exact same

0:08:07stage where it's like well I swear to god it was a couple months ago we gave

0:08:13Jonas a letter to drop in the mailbox and it was like are you sure we're like

0:08:18we're sure you'll be alright take your phone

0:08:19what I grow and hank was really young I mean he was three maybe I'm and I can't

0:08:29remember if it was a letter i think it was like a card or something that we

0:08:32have a breakup birthday card for the grandparents or something like that and

0:08:36he had sat down with Karen to sign it and like put in the envelope put a stamp

0:08:40on a dress and so they did that and then Karen kind of like turned her back and

0:08:46and intensely and then like minutes later support like worse or tank where

0:08:52the heck is Hank and we notice the front doors open and he just like grabbed the

0:08:57thing he knew where the mailboxes like three blocks away

0:09:00he said he was booked into the mailbox he was gonna mail that letter so that

0:09:05our it was like an assertion of independent well you know it's just I

0:09:09don't even think it was well sort of but i mean i think it was mostly just like

0:09:12he knew that was the next thing that needed to be done and he was gonna do it

0:09:14right you just going to take care of it and and this little you know little

0:09:18three-year-old was running up and down the street and this is long before he

0:09:22knew enough about crossing the street and and people can bomb through this

0:09:25neighborhood sometimes so you know naturally being the the the modern-day

0:09:30parents that we are we freaked out and chased after him like tackle them like a

0:09:36half a block away and brought it back for it

0:09:41idiots instead of like running up and saying okay let's go

0:09:45well thank you i got where are you going what's going on another thing at first

0:09:48we didn't realize what he was doing all we knew was that he was just like often

0:09:52running and then later I think we're like he was going to the mailbox and the

0:09:58other he had the letter

0:10:00yeah yeah yeahs which we should have figured out but i think the panic of

0:10:05like nazi know that moment where you'd like you turn around the kids gone

0:10:08yeah and you're like oh my god on that parent I think that parent that was in

0:10:13the news for us a big part of it is definitely at least in my mind is

0:10:20honestly just the safety of crossing the street because yeah you know

0:10:26it cars go fast fast enough that you know it would kill you

0:10:31yeah yeah well here we have all these you know we have a mess of the

0:10:36intersections with no stop signs

0:10:37yeah that's a four-way you know it's like a four-way no stop and nobody knows

0:10:42how to deal with them i'm technically you're supposed to let the person we

0:10:46have you arrived at the same time the person to the right as the right away I

0:10:50didn't know that

0:10:51yeah but very few people know that and usually the way the what people think is

0:10:56the person who's going to fastest gets together like I I'm going faster than

0:11:02you i should get to go

0:11:03I grew up in the small town where a man I grew up was lots and lots of almost

0:11:08everything was a four-way stop and what I remember you know in the family years

0:11:13where I was driving age and living there was that hit that the procedure was it

0:11:20it's like what did you know living in suburbia full of very nice people is

0:11:26both drivers like wave to each other both of them wave saying you go you know

0:11:32you know yeah you go and then eventually want it there forever one of you gives

0:11:36up her after 30 seconds and then goes you know usually I was you both give up

0:11:42at the same time and then I start going and then then the whole process starts

0:11:45all over again right

0:11:47I like this idea and I bet you're right that makes total sense i want to know is

0:11:50if I ever learned that to pass the driver's test written exam i right

0:11:55gotten it that I had forgotten it for the longest time and in our first house

0:11:59here it didn't it didn't really matter because we were on a busy street and it

0:12:02was it would never stop signs all the way along at but then we moved to this

0:12:06house

0:12:08like 12 years ago yeah and since then I've had to learn about this smart guy

0:12:13what if what if it's two cars facing each other and they both want to make

0:12:18left and they give arrive at the same time though they both want to make less

0:12:21then go right now

0:12:26yes they can if they're both facing it there across the way they will want to

0:12:30make left so you can both do you mean they both want to go the same one month

0:12:34to make a left the other one speaker right let's go in the same Road

0:12:37yeah something like that yeah yeah that I'd that I think it's the person who

0:12:42wants to make a right who gets to go

0:12:44ah because the other person is turning across traffic and must yield I see what

0:12:50you mean yeah well but you're a good driver

0:12:54oh yeah I'm an awesome driver doesn't everybody say that but I don't

0:13:00it's always the other guy i know that there's no yeah that your license taken

0:13:04away a phenomenal number of people I i do it is true that if you'd like the

0:13:08gallup poll it's like do you think you're above average driver and it's

0:13:11it's like ninety percent of all people respond i would respond now I'm I'm

0:13:16terrible driver who is so who there is your who do you have any everybody has

0:13:22like someone that you ridicule and drivers from some other place that

0:13:26you're really cool is it doesn't massachusetts in Massachusetts drivers I

0:13:30think I roundly today a lousy drivers they are the worst we lived there for

0:13:34two years and we never never ceased being astounded by how bad

0:13:39massachusetts drivers are but here in philly you don't see Massachusetts

0:13:42drivers very often because they even if they tried to drive down here they would

0:13:46get in some kind of accident by the time they get their new york they never make

0:13:50it so you don't see Massachusetts license plates as far south on here its

0:13:56New Jersey drivers New Jersey drivers are left are the worst and it's and it's

0:14:00because New Jersey pretty much I mean I'm not gonna say nowhere but they they

0:14:08severely limit the number of places where you can make a left turn

0:14:12so everything is if you want to make a left if you're on like a like a one of

0:14:16those like a

0:14:18you know like a retail like all sorts of big-box stores and Stroh yeah place you

0:14:24want to go trip

0:14:25yeah the place you want to go on is on the left you've gotta like figure out

0:14:29whether it's before you gotta look for the sign where it'll tell you if you

0:14:32want to get over there make a right here and all of a sudden you're driving

0:14:35around people's houses and stuff and then you come back out and then you wait

0:14:39a light so that you don't have to make the left so New Jersey drivers are

0:14:42incapable of making a left turn winter it in a place where you can make a left

0:14:47turn like you could just see the panic in their faces this is to try to make a

0:14:50left turn

0:14:52who is it for years here it's a well it will things are our much pulp more

0:14:58polite out here then I mean I grew up on the East Coast so I feel like I'm a bit

0:15:02of an East Coast driver and but when and when I moved out here it was very

0:15:07surprising to me to learn much more polite ur way of driving because you let

0:15:14people merge and they wave to you after the merge and they wave thank you

0:15:20and seriously that had I think that happens less the longer that I'm been

0:15:24here maybe because of me but I'm but it did still it still happens i would say

0:15:31yeah we have time and I think as far as people who we consider bad drivers its

0:15:40its people from Canada because the driving the other side of the road

0:15:45hmm yeah i was going to say on its second i think actually that's just him

0:15:50and I think actually maybe it is people from Canada's because they are beyond

0:15:54their in someplace where they don't know i mean they're they're from out of town

0:15:57and they're panicking

0:15:59yeah now i hope it now have we offended so far in this show we've mended new

0:16:05jerseyans math errands children I still forget i lived there for many years and

0:16:10I still forget what you call people from Massachusetts

0:16:14massachusetts innocent it's not Massholes Massholes we've offended that

0:16:18was against those actually I one time it we are in Massachusetts and it seemed to

0:16:23us we really didn't see it did seem this way that the way people emerged in

0:16:27Massachusetts is they just get up to speed and hope that there's a slot

0:16:34yeah yeah and one time we were Amy saw this I didn't see it but she was behind

0:16:39this guy and she could see that there was a guy you know coming on the right

0:16:43on a ramp and he was keeping pace with the car in front of her and she could

0:16:48see that they were getting closer and closer and she was like who's gonna move

0:16:53is the you know is this guy in front of me going to get over to the passing lane

0:16:56and let this guy in is that going to speed up as you can instead they just

0:17:00slowly just bump doors light at each other and then put on your turn signals

0:17:06and then over to the side and and Amy but I think she started really think she

0:17:12stopped because she was like well I'm a witness maybe I should stop to and and

0:17:16it was like they were just like and nobody was mad at each other everybody's

0:17:20like well what are you gonna do and we're like any other thing was that

0:17:22there were no other cars on the road it was like it wasn't like busy traffic it

0:17:28was there like well we both did what we were supposed to do yeah they're like

0:17:31what's you know as well what you gonna do it was I also remember my commute to

0:17:39bare bones was about 25 minutes

0:17:41I and you know it was like flex time so i could I used to come in around ten in

0:17:47the morning at ten thirty or so to avoid traffic and I could it was you it was

0:17:51really a kind of a nice drivers just straight shot you could go at highway

0:17:54speed traffic was all over and in a winner every time I mean it was like all

0:17:59the time in in the what you call the the thing but the grass between the two

0:18:04directions the media median ya there would be SUVs in that you know that that

0:18:09like rolled over in the bad weather like it

0:18:13I've never see I you you think like one time maybe you'd see like an SUV on the

0:18:17side or something like that and and again it was like and and it never

0:18:21seemed like anybody was hurt there'd be people like standing and you know winter

0:18:24coats and their cellphones I well what you gonna do my my SUV flipped over

0:18:27yet people have no idea how to drive in the snow out here obviously at masters

0:18:34we don't get it

0:18:35people don't do it that often they get so much now i think that it was always

0:18:39SUVs I think it's this mentality where people think like an SUV is good in the

0:18:43snow because that's you know it's all terrain and four-wheel drive or whatever

0:18:47when in fact it's harder to driving so top-heavy yeah yeah yeah people don't I

0:18:54mean they don't they don't understand physics right from the fact that it's

0:18:59you know the heavier car is it's harder to stop

0:19:02yeah I can't wait for self-driving cars i'm aiive I wouldn't have a phobia I I

0:19:07think I you know but I I do i do feel like it's it's kind of terrifying how

0:19:12many people get killed in car accidents like if you just look at the statistics

0:19:16it really seems like something maybe we shouldn't do

0:19:18yeah and yeah i'm not sure i don't know

0:19:23yeah i mean i hope it works out let's put it that way just feel like I just

0:19:28feel like it's one of those things where is it will happen and then everybody's

0:19:32going to transition and then like the accident rates are going to plummet and

0:19:37we're going to look back at like you know the 7580 year . where everybody

0:19:44even in north america was driving themselves everywhere in getting killed

0:19:48as you like barbaric like what the hell man what the hell is that

0:19:52yeah we will be doing it i mean i guess that guy who was killed driving the

0:19:58Tesla what was sort of thinking that we were there already yeah yeah that's an

0:20:02interesting story he was one or not what you doing he was like watching Star Wars

0:20:06or Star Trek or something i think yeah I think that's right i think he was what I

0:20:10thought it was the star trek movie but i can't remember now I i mean i really

0:20:16hate to laugh I I you know it's a tragedy I mean it's the guys dead but it

0:20:21you know it really seems to me like if you I was going to trust that i would

0:20:25really you know that's where you know maybe you really read the manual and

0:20:29where it says

0:20:31very clearly hey this is like you still take your hands off the wheel right you

0:20:35just rest your hands on the wheel and be alert and you know ready to take over

0:20:39him in a moment

0:20:40well then i would think okay that's how I'll Drive you know it's dead it's sort

0:20:44of like cruise cruise control with turns and I it just seems ridiculous and it

0:20:53really it kind of makes me mad because it's like you know you know it's giving

0:20:58self-driving cars a bad name you know that there's got now there's a nut who

0:21:02got killed right I've seen the videos have you seen the videos of people like

0:21:07doing that I is you know like i know i've seen like YouTube videos for guys

0:21:12like it and it's always guys of course start the testing thing going and then

0:21:16they like climb into the backseat

0:21:18I'd it's it's crazy like just because you know i mean i get they know they're

0:21:22going to get a lot of YouTube but it's right right yeah but it's terrifying

0:21:27words worth risking your life right

0:21:34oh yeah I fear that one day that will be my kid

0:21:39yeah I wonder if our kids are gonna learn to drive

0:21:42I don't know you might because it's that self-driving stuff might not come soon

0:21:48enough but it doesn't seem like it's gonna come real soon but given that we

0:21:51live in a city i I don't know that Jonas would learn to drive anyway you know you

0:21:56know like a lot when i was in college i knew a couple of kids who grew up in

0:22:00Philadelphia and they didn't have to drive who didn't care and that and uber

0:22:04it just makes it even you know Maura

0:22:07tenable to not know how to drive yeah yeah I was it I was interested to see we

0:22:14have some friends you whose kids were actually now that I think they're in

0:22:17college but when I some like a year and a half ago they were just they were

0:22:26sobering every man they were basically just been there are high school and they

0:22:29were calling a bluebird left and right yeah that's definitely definitely much

0:22:36more likely to to do with the younger you are I guess I'm gonna take a break

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0:24:06you want to do with a recommendation yeah I would love a recommendation and

0:24:10I'm like I said well I'm not listening to inaudible right now but it is

0:24:13available inaudible that's a Leviathan wakes is a science fiction book and it's

0:24:17part of the expanse series that has is being made into sci-fi show of which is

0:24:23really good so I just read a book on vacation

0:24:28it's and you know i guess i could recommend it it's called trigger mortis

0:24:35it's a james bond novel written by yeah Anthony Horowitz and it's that's corny

0:24:41and I mean like they keep reading you know hang out you know they keep writing

0:24:44these James Bond novels you know you even Fleming has been dead like I think

0:24:48like 50 50 years I but this one's cool that's it set it's not like set in

0:24:54modern days it's at like two weeks after the end of goldfinger and like bond is

0:25:00still bouncing around with the Pussy Galore at the beginning of the book huh

0:25:05that's cool yeah I i enjoyed it so I mean there's one you don't go listen to

0:25:09that inaudible hey i saw story want to know if you saw this was on the verge

0:25:17about a week ago by dieter bohn and that the the headline is google is making

0:25:24better apps for the iPhone then for android and it's talking about things

0:25:30like motion stills if you ever seen that app that's the app where you can take

0:25:33your live photos and kind of smooth them out and and you know it smooths out the

0:25:38motion no and and let you do things like tournament animated gifts and videos

0:25:43yeah I keep meaning to hear that and I haven't I have not gotten that yet

0:25:46it's a really really good app and I i actually haven't I don't know i don't i

0:25:53don't have iOS 10 installed on my phone yet i have it on my iPad but I don't

0:26:00think Apple did anything with live pictures in iOS yeah like I kind of I

0:26:07really feel like it's like they're filling out this app is filling in

0:26:11something that should be built into iOS which is Bernie's live photos which I

0:26:14still think are great a great feature i tend to keep it on all the time because

0:26:19my phone has plenty of space

0:26:20and why not capture more info

0:26:24it's I don't you know the only reason I can think of not to use life if pictures

0:26:28if you're worried about the extra space that they take up but it's so much you

0:26:33will find that annoying some people find the image moving annoying but i think i

0:26:37think you're right it's probably mostly a sign of space issue

0:26:40yeah but it's just so it's so curious to me that they didn't come up with a way

0:26:47to share them as you know I don't know if they do gifts but you know it seems a

0:26:51little beneath Apple but it's you know but it you know the magic of animated

0:26:55gifts is still can't believe we're using these things I mean who would have

0:26:59thought give the gift of the image format would make a comeback 256 colors

0:27:04but being able to share them is a standard interview that you could post

0:27:09isn't it basically is it not basically just a series of you know it's like had

0:27:13what you whatever the you know the way they used to make movies it's just a

0:27:18series of area stills now it's not it's it's one

0:27:23hi res full you know the full resolution that you have your camera set to shoot

0:27:26at a still jpg and it's like a sidecar movie fuck . mov file know you're

0:27:34talking about I'm talking about tomato animated gifs yes animated gifs you are

0:27:37just yes they're just it's it animated gifts image format is just take a bunch

0:27:44of stills and right and each one has a it's like a flip it like a flipbook yeah

0:27:48and you can set each because I remember as a web developer oh my god what was

0:27:54that table eyes remember that HAP oh yeah it you needed it because it was

0:27:59like he'd you know it it would it would crush them down to like the minimum size

0:28:04and it would gather the colors in a really pleasing way and you know get get

0:28:09it down to like six bytes or whatever Sixkiller button

0:28:13and you can also set that the format it's it's actually kind of a nice format

0:28:19except for the the you know there are nice in terms of being easily

0:28:22understandable not nice and being high fidelity but i think that each frame can

0:28:29have its own color palette it's not like one color palette of 256 colors for the

0:28:35entire location

0:28:37I think that heat went out can do that and you can also set how long the

0:28:41duration of each frame so you can do things like States show this frame for

0:28:46one second this frame for one second that show this frame for three seconds

0:28:49right i think five recall correctly I think no I think that's I think that's

0:28:54correct because I long long ago I made some by hand and I don't remember why

0:28:59but I'm and I don't life she can't remember what it was in $YEAR i think

0:29:04maybe it was back my hand and copy of Photoshop which you don't have anymore

0:29:08but I think you're I think that's correct but I am when I link to it

0:29:13I the emotion the most Google's motion still zap i laughed and made a point of

0:29:18saying look at the comments because the comments are all from these people with

0:29:22android phone saying come on google this is ridiculous i can't believe you did

0:29:25this for iphone android even though android doesn't have doesn't have like

0:29:33the don't have that right and then somebody pointed that out and then

0:29:37somebody else said well there's one there's one HTC phone that the day you

0:29:44know they obviously can't call it live photos but they have it has the same

0:29:47steno same basic feature something so i don't like 3,000 android phones there's

0:29:52one that has it

0:29:56ah but there's other apps to that people are talking about you know that there's

0:30:00you know just I and there's any links to it here its there's a previous article

0:30:05from a about some other guy named ben popper at the verge is you know whole

0:30:12holy invested in the Google ecosystem but uses iOS and that he stated that

0:30:20their apps are so good that they you know he sees no reason to switch to

0:30:24android that he you know

0:30:26does email with the inbox app google calendar app

0:30:30oh the other 12 is the google there's the google g board keyboard that a lot

0:30:35of people think it's like the best third-party keyboard for iOS alright

0:30:38yeah yeah and it has some cool features some of them are coming in iOS 10 like

0:30:44the ability to type words and get the emoji you know suggestions right you

0:30:50know like if you tighten coffee and maybe you'll get that you know one of

0:30:52the suggestions will be the coffee emoji but there is another one that's another

0:30:57one to wear wear when google announced google g board thing the comments were

0:31:03half people saying this is great and half android users complain how can you

0:31:09make this for iOS and not for android I don't cares what you think about that

0:31:14and why do you think it might be that that Google does seemingly you know at

0:31:21least as good or as popular their apps are on iOS you know with what it seems

0:31:29ok well i don't know if it's still the case because i haven't seen the numbers

0:31:32recently but for a long time they were making more money off of iOS then they

0:31:36were off of Android M advertising

0:31:40yeah I believe that dollars right so it would make more sense that invest more

0:31:45in the platform that's making more money regardless of what I made it or not i

0:31:50think part of it is just the nature of google itself that google is to me and

0:31:58and maybe i'm wrong but it's it seems to me that google is sort of a federation

0:32:03of many many products and teams and doesn't really have a single unifying

0:32:14you know this is the main thing that we do you know like right it is the nature

0:32:20of it at Apple the main thing that the company does is they sell devices like

0:32:25iPhones and iPads and macbooks that's the main thing that they do and

0:32:29everything fundamentally

0:32:31it certainly at some level really comes down to how do we you know keep making

0:32:36these devices and selling them at a profit and microsoft microsoft is

0:32:40definitely changing

0:32:41I think under what's the new CEOs name

0:32:44satya nadella definitely changing but under gates and ballmer they were the

0:32:49windows company fundamentally and everything was about windows and I think

0:32:53I think it's like the to see this is wow this is kind of amazing you know

0:32:58interesting amazing that Google does such a good job with iOS apps is your

0:33:02kind of yeah I think you have to look at google like sort of through Microsoft

0:33:06tinted glasses that wide why isn't why isn't google treating android the way

0:33:11Microsoft treated windows in its heyday as like now you know the shining star

0:33:17and let's put our exploits that's do anything cool that we come up with let's

0:33:21make sure it's you know it's on Android first and i don't think it works like

0:33:25that because i don't think there's any I don't think there's any it reason for

0:33:31Google to be to be like that

0:33:33yeah it's not i mean i wouldn't call it like skunk works but it's kind of living

0:33:37there their philosophy as much more open to seemingly to have been having these

0:33:43like side projects and then you know that turns into something yeah we'll

0:33:47we'll do something with it which it you know i think you know it was the kind of

0:33:52thing that did not work at Apple back in the nineties they were you know they

0:33:55were running around and people working on the side projects than that they were

0:33:57that we're going nowhere but they seem to do much better with it and I wondered

0:34:06to it always is and I don't know how you get this information but it'd be so

0:34:10interesting to know i would love to know like how many like what percentage of

0:34:13google employees you know use like iphones instead of android phones

0:34:20yeah my guess it always has been that it's pretty high and you know I don't

0:34:25know a lot of people who work at Google I'm not sure off the top of my head if I

0:34:27know anybody works right now but a couple East you know within the last few

0:34:30years I knew some people who live there are network there and once I knew had

0:34:35iphones and I don't think that there is there's no stigma meters to it

0:34:40yeah I don't think so I mean

0:34:42I mean that people that I knew where we were around

0:34:45well no one was a software engineer on the other one was some more like in the

0:34:48design stuff

0:34:50yeah so yeah I mean I wouldn't that doesn't seem like that is you know I'm

0:34:56like that that we don't think that Microsoft famously did with a head like

0:35:01yeah whatever they had like again you're supposed to throw your iPhone's and

0:35:04people like a garbage can or something i don't think that too many people

0:35:10actually did it but remember when here it might want to switch the windows fun

0:35:14remember when they had the funeral for the iphone yeah you know that that might

0:35:19have been that might have been the lowest point and the whole bomber era

0:35:23the yeah the parade that they had for the funeral for the iPhone because it

0:35:28was so laughably not based in reality you know like there wasn't it didn't

0:35:37feel like hmm maybe you know maybe windows phone is gonna take this on

0:35:43like I I never really thought so but let's just like three years ago or so

0:35:47like 2013 you know was a rough year for apple's stock and their water a lot of

0:35:53people who seem to think at the time that Android was about to overwhelm iOS

0:35:58right like the whole this is exactly like Windows and Mac from the nineties

0:36:02again and you know I I think you can go back and read you know daring fireball

0:36:07from that era and you could see that I didn't really think that was happening

0:36:10but it seemed like it was at least possible like I'd I never thought it was

0:36:14going to happen but I didn't see it as like an impossibility I saw it is it

0:36:18doesn't seem it seems to me like too many things are different here and that

0:36:22you know one thing would be that you know that Apple's even if they only have

0:36:27fifteen percent of the market that's a heck of a lot different than the two

0:36:30percent of the up-market they had in the nineties and and etcetera etcetera go on

0:36:34and on there's all sorts of other differences but it seemed like maybe but

0:36:39the Windows Windows Phone burying the iphone didn't even seem like a

0:36:43possibility like he it and you can see you can see how from their perspective I

0:36:50mean you could that they wanted to believe that and they needed to believe

0:36:53that in order to you

0:36:54keep going and also to try and make it a to have that sort of confidence work as

0:37:01a marketing tool and but the thing that it might be you remember these these

0:37:05analysts predictions

0:37:08yeah that came out around boy was it like 2013 2012 to his name is a little

0:37:14bit earlier than that saying that they did some of these analysts are

0:37:18predicting that we know windows phone was gonna was gonna beat android yes now

0:37:22that was earlier that was a little odd

0:37:24yeah that was that I mean like how could you even it was just like there was just

0:37:32the simple belief that Microsoft being microsoft would come out on top somehow

0:37:38one of your in my shared a preoccupations is it is with the world

0:37:46of analysts and the magic way that somebody who if they're accepted as an

0:37:53analyst if that is like the title that you know something something analyst if

0:37:58that's the title when they go on CNBC that whatever they say is there you know

0:38:03taken as well we can publish this is news you know that this is this is

0:38:08something worth you know worth reporting

0:38:11when in fact it's off sometimes it might be there are some analysts who are

0:38:16incredibly smart and astute and and rigorous in their research and and in

0:38:21the evidence that they showed back up their claims and then there are others

0:38:25who just make stuff up and I remember that the that the windows phone is going

0:38:30to you know surpass android and you know be like the number one operating system

0:38:34by 2014 or 2015 it must have been a couple years earlier next I know we've

0:38:38already said yes so this the prediction was in the link may of 2011 yeah alright

0:38:44you gotta come on give it to me finish I was it was yeah it was pyramid research

0:38:49is still a broken and she said that

0:38:53bye 2013 windows home was poised overtaking androids massive market share

0:39:00in two years oh my god because somebody else said had predicted it would be to a

0:39:08weary 2015 when when it over to and she said no now it's gonna be two years

0:39:12earlier than that it's gonna happen fast

0:39:15you know I remember I looked her up again later and she's not with pyramid

0:39:23research anymore but she still is she still says she's still working in the

0:39:26industry

0:39:28I not a not a debilitating it not a career-ending move

0:39:33I wonder what what phones people using Microsoft now today to that's an

0:39:37interesting question because they really are

0:39:39it seems to me very clear that they are slowly winding down the whole windows

0:39:45phone thing

0:39:46mhm like i'm not i don't know that they're going to quite give up on it too

0:39:49completely but it just seems like they don't even don't even trying anymore

0:39:54yeah i mean you don't hear about it at all it just seems to me like if you were

0:39:59good company person and bought a windows phone like you're just a left out of so

0:40:03many things right

0:40:05yeah no pokemon go for you i'm going to say yeah there's no pokemon go right

0:40:08right

0:40:09it's I just can't help it into their mostly iphones I really do and you know

0:40:15kind of such a weird thing for Microsoft I don't think it's so weird for google

0:40:18but it's weird for microsoft will they but they I mean at least they have their

0:40:22philosophy has changed to the degree that they don't have that windows only

0:40:26mentality anymore so right they are making and they're making some good apps

0:40:30for multiple platforms so I mean I still like office but i have to use it

0:40:37sometimes every user for iOS yeah yeah actually you know I mostly for my kid

0:40:44when he needs to do because they get a license for free through school so often

0:40:50he's got an ipad that he will look great reports on well with you know with

0:40:56attached keyboard and and doing doing word and they were being a big

0:41:00presentations in PowerPoint and stuff like that said I i I'm I'll often helped

0:41:04him out with that stuff my kids school is google docs cool okay

0:41:09that's such garbage I mean it makes it makes me wish it makes me wish for

0:41:14microsoft office

0:41:17it's aight i really do they use chrome books they they have some in some of the

0:41:23classrooms they do have some that which makes total sense as a google doc school

0:41:29you know I think I guess maybe most of that I guess most of the devices the

0:41:33kids have access to our Chromebooks yeah it makes I mean you know i would rather

0:41:40have a macbook any day but you know you are friends at math often will sell

0:41:46refurbished Chromebooks and they're so crazy cheap it's um I keep I had often

0:41:50think i should get one just to just for the play around with the other than I

0:41:54think even I like even a hundred and seventy five dollars is too much too i

0:41:58don't know i know i dive i do that like every two years or so i buy an android

0:42:02phone

0:42:03yeah and I wish I would have got the nexus 6 and today i got the motorola

0:42:08wood chipper or whatever it's called the one it's got a its like the Moto X or

0:42:16something like that but it's it you can get like a custom finish on the back so

0:42:20I i got the bamboo no seriously it's really made at my this fight in my hand

0:42:25right now it's made out of wood which is interesting but it's it's so not a nice

0:42:29phone i saw a guy WTC my friend chad from MLB has two phones is iphone any

0:42:37added android is to test the MLB stuff on android too and he is a nexus 6 it's

0:42:42really nice it's a you know it's much thinner than that this mobile thing but

0:42:48anyway I don't see it as a waste of money I feel like it's it's a way to

0:42:51stay around I'm fearful of not knowing it and i have to say i am pretty I've

0:42:56never really used a Chromebook kind of feel like I should I should spend 200

0:43:00bucks and get 1 i'll keep an eye on math because you think you can get a refurb

0:43:04for real cheap and ISO media from schools perspective that makes complete

0:43:08sense

0:43:08yeah i mean if you gotta get something that in the kids are basically just

0:43:11going to do write reports and and look things up and you don't want them

0:43:15playing games

0:43:17yeah for the most part so those devices are perfect I mean it's kind of like

0:43:22that's all

0:43:23most you remember that that whole olpc thing

0:43:26yes yeah it's really succeeded at that where that did not didn't seem to really

0:43:34get much traction

0:43:36yeah what was that one laptop per child

0:43:40yeah yeah and it was just you know it was he was just a piece of garbage

0:43:47whereas but maybe you know I think a big part of that was it's not the google has

0:43:51any kind of magic I think it's just Moore's law you know em like it

0:43:57Moore's Law is famously you know sort of come to an end at the high end where you

0:44:02know that clock rate on high-end cpus isn't really getting faster and you know

0:44:08there's only so much that adding more chips to paralyze can really improve but

0:44:14at the low end it continues to march on we're better and better hardware is

0:44:19available at cheaper and cheaper prices

0:44:22yeah i think the one thing that you know what you're gonna get you're gonna get

0:44:26yourself a samsung spin know how I don't thinks I don't think so did you like

0:44:34that your that's a bridge too far

0:44:36I that's if we can hold that topic that's an interesting topic but yeah the

0:44:42chrome books for school I i do see this and you know I I'd Jonas says that the

0:44:47ones that they have a terrible and it you know they're everybody hates them

0:44:51but I see the way kids treat stuff in school and they don't really treat it

0:44:55with respect like apple doesn't really make a device that's good for school to

0:44:59buy i mean if if the cheapest thing you can get is an 8 99 macbook air that's a

0:45:03pretty expensive thing that kids are gonna you know bang around and drop and

0:45:08and stuff like that like I think you know the idea that they're headed

0:45:12no two hundred dollars is not disposable and I'm sure that everybody works in any

0:45:15kind of school is gonna you know so yeah 200 bucks is you know you know I know

0:45:20budgets are tight it schools everywhere but

0:45:24you know it just makes a lot more sense yeah

0:45:29down boy google docs though it's I I find I don't even understand i honestly

0:45:32I don't understand the UI I really don't it'sit's just just doesn't work for me

0:45:37when I mean it seems like it's let you know very reminiscent of those open

0:45:44source office

0:45:45yes yeah that's what is how exactly how I would describe it

0:45:49yeah and I I don't use it much every night when i'm on the they use it like

0:45:56in the incomparable to do scheduling endurance and some instant sharing of

0:46:00like the topics for podcasts so when I clockwise my ways that's the that's the

0:46:06only time i ever have to use it is because Jason uses google like

0:46:11spreadsheet to yeah you know you're supposed to log in and put your what

0:46:15your topic is for clockwise

0:46:16oh my god that's the only time I ever ok we have to do it like that I don't do I

0:46:20mean let's face it i'm hoping he doesn't listen to this

0:46:23I i think that you know she would agree I'd I don't do much of the parenting she

0:46:28does a lot more the parenting and then idea and with stuff like dealing with

0:46:33the school I I'd really do none of it but it's like every once in a while when

0:46:37there's some kind of shared you know parents are involved or are a perfect

0:46:43example BTW a teacher conferences parent teacher conferences you got to get into

0:46:47google docs though and like sign up for a time and it it's so so bad but I

0:46:54understand why they do it though because it is a you know it it works as a shared

0:46:59spreadsheet where you're not going to run into a race condition where three

0:47:03people signed up at for the 1pm teacher conference right like as i type john and

0:47:09aimee and the 1 p.m. slot anybody else is in there would see it see those

0:47:13letters showing up so I understand that I understand the utility of it is why

0:47:17people don't please don't write in and tell me that that's why you that I

0:47:19totally get it as as a shared resource it is you know it it works

0:47:25there's no syncing collision but as somebody who cares about the interface

0:47:28boy it's a nightmare

0:47:32so the other fact we were talking about Google's iOS apps and how popular they

0:47:35are and how people who are in the Google ecosystem with their data

0:47:40well this is pretty good segue feel perfectly at home using an iphone

0:47:46instead of android phone any other flip side of that is why i don't use any of

0:47:51those apps other than the motion stills1 which just because of the utility to

0:47:56share the the life photos as are our good friend Jason's now pointed out like

0:48:03a month or so ago that googles apps are sort of he compared to Microsoft of like

0:48:08the late nineties where their mac app started looking like the windows app and

0:48:13in fact i think they even went to some kind of a shared code system for some

0:48:17things you know where they were sort of a cross-platform you know look and feel

0:48:22type type stuff in office apps and googles apps for all that's one reason i

0:48:31don't use them is that they there then of them look like iOS apps they all look

0:48:34like android apps so there is that

0:48:36yeah like if there's one thing it seems to me like Google institutionally isn't

0:48:41really all that committed to android it it android might as well be a completely

0:48:47separate company except what the one thing google is committed to

0:48:51company-wide is the material design look and feel whether they're doing stuff for

0:48:56the web or iOS or Android they're committed to that style of UI design

0:49:02that's where they have like a commitment and that you know annoys me

0:49:06yeah what about you use it use any google apps

0:49:11everyone still use the gmail app but i'm trying to think I like i said i want to

0:49:20i want to get that one that the one that makes the animated gifts but I haven't

0:49:24gotten around to it and cash bank mostly my son mostly uses a music he's got a

0:49:32gmail account for email and he mostly uses the google and for that huh

0:49:35interesting

0:49:37yeah i think it's it's just it seems easier if you have a gmail account

0:49:43it feels much more straightforward than trying to to get it through mail

0:49:47yeah I what do you use for email and Iowa I'm by mostly use mail

0:49:53I almost like ninety-nine percent just use me every once in awhile if certain

0:49:56fails me then I i used gmail or something and I tried a number of those

0:50:01other applications but you know that you you seem to always get I've been burned

0:50:05too many times right i mean because sparrow and whatever the other one was

0:50:11yeah forgot the one that was like the online you could consolidate all your

0:50:15inboxes are actually has a name that one they both got bought right yeah and went

0:50:22away the only one I've seen that really temp mate tempted me and i still have it

0:50:27here is called spark different diversity that one no it's because to me it's it

0:50:36that the thing that's nice about spark is that it looks like an an iOS app it

0:50:41looks like a very you know very nice

0:50:44I output in the show notes i think it's from raddle the people who make it are

0:50:50known for like making PDF utilities

0:50:52mm-hmm but if you just take a look at the screenshots of spark of for iphone

0:50:57you can see that it's like oh yes that looks like a that looks like a nice iOS

0:51:05app and here's a new story i just googled here so i logged in and they've

0:51:11been acquired its parts been canceled knows bark email I distance from eight

0:51:15hours ago there's breaking news dissident bizarre coincidence that

0:51:21some kind of thing where people if you're using it with your iCloud email

0:51:28you have to relog in for security reasons and it made people panic and

0:51:32think that maybe spark it got hacked or something that's that's not true there

0:51:37is no hack but it's the day they switch something on your server side at AWS and

0:51:43that made apple or I club freaked out and therefore just say hey everybody you

0:51:50know you got a real log in any way to good app if you're dissatisfied with

0:51:54male highly highly recommend you take a look at it because it's a really good

0:51:58iOS app but the thing for me is I I like male I really especially on iOS i just

0:52:03$FULLPHONENUM it you know works very well for me for email i understand

0:52:06people can be very picky about their email but for me may I was is pretty

0:52:09good

0:52:10anything my mind needs are not complicated particularly truth be told I

0:52:15don't even read most of my email so really abimael works just behind that

0:52:21delete the we believe Merlyn listens to the show I don't know I think I don't I

0:52:28it's too late now so I i don't think i'll ever use it but uh when Merlin had

0:52:33the inbox zero thing

0:52:36yeah I I thought about making a parody i think i still own the domain

0:52:42how is going to make a parody and it was called select all delete and it was

0:52:50going to go into is good the server-side the detailed my patented email

0:52:57management system for keeping your your inbox empty might mean that by step I

0:53:02everyone mad my inbox management is to simply not delete anything every single

0:53:07step of the process would be given an exquisite detail and the URL is select

0:53:13all delete . com yeah yeah I think I think my inbox is up to 6,000 right now

0:53:19and they're all red but they just don't go anywhere

0:53:25i I'm not going to mention the name of this developer because it's it would be

0:53:30uncool but a couple years ago we were at WWDC and I was with the cable sasser of

0:53:37panic and we are talking about this this other developer had some very popular

0:53:42apps and cable had just run into him the day before and after WC he was going to

0:53:49go on like a six-week hiking trip through New Zealand something like that

0:53:54it sounded like a you know if you want to be by herself as a computer you know

0:53:58somewhere beautiful six weeks all hiking and cable was under the impression that

0:54:04he was like a one-man show this other guy you know he was like oh i thought

0:54:07you know dude you hire people music now because what we're going to do for

0:54:11technical support and he just looked at him funny just said select all bleep if

0:54:19he's just going to delete every male he might have even might have invented it

0:54:25does i forget the details but is that he was dead serious wasn't joking didn't

0:54:29see anything unusual apart you know interesting about that he might have

0:54:33even set up like an auto you know like he just set up a filter that just throw

0:54:37everything in it you know he went and he wasn't sending out like an automated

0:54:40didn't set up anything that say like I'm going to be away for six weeks get back

0:54:43to that he just deleted

0:54:45yeah i mean i see the icd the appeal and they see you know as a as someone else

0:54:51is like the only person in my business right

0:54:55Oh like I i just i don't take I don't never take a complete vacation that is

0:55:01true that very tragically writing where you know if I'm on our final-final

0:55:04vacation I'm still writing the bare minimum that I have to get by I'll

0:55:10reduce it but i din din often i'll stop podcasting yeah take a break from

0:55:15podcasts but but i still have to write something I don't know why I'd it

0:55:21mentally i find it i find it hard to do a podcast when i'm not at home like I

0:55:26don't know why I like to do is pack microphone you know and there's you know

0:55:30I don't need like I've got this fancy one hanging on a you know bendable arm

0:55:33here at my desk here

0:55:35but I don't you know you don't need a podcast you just use like it any you

0:55:39know you go on Frank 15 bucks i have one even have a portable one but it's like

0:55:43so old that it uses remember the before microUSB there was like a mini USB mhm

0:55:52and I don't ya take it it takes a mini-usb but many USB is so outdated

0:55:58that I can't find a cable for i'm sure i have one somewhere in my closet there's

0:56:03you know but it's like at this point my last used mini USB cables so far down

0:56:09the stack of cables that I doesn't seem worth looking up but mentally I don't

0:56:14know how to find it a difficult i've done it

0:56:17remember the one of it did the episode with the am Benjamin with the boats

0:56:20going off

0:56:22ok that's a doctor was like yeah you like dialed in right yeah you're just

0:56:27doing it from your phone

0:56:28no I think I think I around I don't think going to do it out of like you're

0:56:31just doing it for my mind if I forget I did it it was it was low fidelity and

0:56:36their boats and the doc it was actually kind of fun but i don't know i find it

0:56:43oh yeah I way i know john and john armstrong it's it's you know turning

0:56:50this car around he's pretty particular about about sound like i can imagine i

0:56:56just had generated every time I think about like I could just take my little

0:56:59microphone and then they go

0:57:00he's not gonna like that I just . john was in philly six weeks ago or something

0:57:05like that maybe longer

0:57:06I don't know but sometime within the last two months and and Amy and I went

0:57:09out with them and and is you know we have known for you obviously know better

0:57:13but I can definitely imagine it

0:57:15he's a little tightly wound about something he's we're all obsessives I

0:57:19mean all of us are obsessed over some things baby when he gets obsessed about

0:57:23something it's like after yeah it and i think it you know I think it's good

0:57:27really making me makes it right sound better actually make makes the show

0:57:31center so and it's bled over into other show I mean I've spent more I've spent

0:57:38more on equipment and it's been a lot but I spent a little bit more and I've

0:57:42also like Ben I mean like I'm i'm recording on two machines right now

0:57:46class of problems we've had in the past

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1:00:08what else is going on

1:00:12pokemon go yeah have you have you told him I went I i did not have not played

1:00:19Jonas is a totally it as expected totally into it and so I had him explain

1:00:25it to me and he showed it to me and I felt like that was good enough for me

1:00:29yeah you have played we have played so it's it's a thing we've been involved in

1:00:37the household and you know I could have said numerous different places but it

1:00:43was it's been great because he's you know I mean often a kid doesn't want to

1:00:47go for a walk right like getting off the couch and again going on run tying your

1:00:53previous covered in this time yeah right and this now he's just like you wanna go

1:00:57Yusei gonna go look for some pokemon is let's go and at my experience you know I

1:01:03haven't gone out and try to do it like midnight but I walking around in town

1:01:10and going to places has been it has been fun and seeing other people and and very

1:01:16social

1:01:18everybody's been most everybody's been nice

1:01:21we were walking walking along the waterfront with some friends in looking

1:01:26for pokemon and a whole bunch of other people are doing the same and they had

1:01:30you know it's like a jeep SUV drove by and this girl leaned out the window and

1:01:35yelled no it's so you know not everybody's nice but for the most part

1:01:40everybody's been very pleasant to deal with which has been great i don't think

1:01:46that we've run into anybody else who's playing are you know we were doing it

1:01:51where I said we're down at the disney world and we're playing there which was

1:01:55fun but we didn't run into other people who replied

1:01:58interesting I mean we because we have I mean a pretty much every to the one day

1:02:04we walked out one time early on and just like walk around the house and obviously

1:02:09we didn't run any we didn't run anybody then but every time we've gone to like a

1:02:14place like even just like going to the shopping districts district that's like

1:02:18six blocks from here there were at least two other groups of people who were

1:02:24playing the game mm that's amazing it's it's unbelievable how quickly it's taken

1:02:29off my is just that it's astounding so there's a previous game was called

1:02:34ingress is that what it was called

1:02:36I don't know address

1:02:40yeah it's not even i had the same company

1:02:44ing ress and that was all that was also made by niantic yes and it's the same

1:02:54i'm not gonna say it's exactly the same but it's you know it's sort of like

1:02:58pokemon go one point out you know this is like the to point out it's got the

1:03:03same sort of thing where you can level up and and stuff like that and you you

1:03:06know this same basic idea if you push thing on the show I would say that I

1:03:13never do it i'd heard of it vague leaves and a couple of daring fireball readers

1:03:24have you know emailed me after I wrote about pokemon go and said that they you

1:03:28know they were really into ingress and said that it's you know it's really

1:03:32interesting story it used to be owned by Google the company this niantic and then

1:03:37they got spun off for reasons that are unclear to me and but it's the same

1:03:43basic idea and it's like you walk around staring at your phone

1:03:48well I walked in anything yet although we where I didn't always somebody in the

1:03:54parking lot how I just walk it well I was walking through the parking lot not

1:04:00paying attention and suddenly I realize there's a car behind me and I was like

1:04:03oh ok together way I i think it's so interesting now and I know that so i

1:04:11know that my antec is the company that developed it and that it's based on our

1:04:15previous game ingress but it is you know it's a nintendo that has the you know

1:04:22video game right Iman and so I do think it's still even if Nintendo didn't

1:04:27actually develop the app you know they they produced it it's you know I think

1:04:31that they you know it's worth talking about Nintendo and mobile games again

1:04:34and this is you know I don't want to say i was now i do want to say that I was

1:04:39right but but this is its exact it's exactly the sort of thing though that I

1:04:45thought I've thought nintendo should do for mobile phones for years with ya is

1:04:49not port and every time when it when this came up a couple years ago and I or

1:04:54at least came up for me and I was a back-and-forth with a few other people

1:04:57on other blogs

1:04:59it's like I feel like the black hole that discussion keeps getting kept

1:05:03getting sucked down to was that des games are terrible without a real d-pad

1:05:11and buttons and i agree with that I totally see you know that by mario kart

1:05:16you know unless you somehow did you know you'd have to have different controls

1:05:20you have to have like motion controls or something

1:05:23yeah and that other games like platformers or something like that are

1:05:27never as good with a fake the fake d-pad on a a non-iphone and so that's not my

1:05:34argument of my argument isn't that they should get rid of the d/s and pour all

1:05:38their des games to a touchscreen it's you know will come up with new game

1:05:42ideas that work on a touchscreen and do the end is pokemon go thing is like

1:05:46couldn't be more exactly what i was thinking that they should do and do

1:05:50things you know like well you've got gps and you've got a camera so why don't you

1:05:54do something with that

1:05:55it's you know really really clever yeah it's it's it's also very buggy

1:06:02oh is it really hasn't complained about that really well at least it's been it's

1:06:06been very buggy for for me and you know when my friends are playing as well I

1:06:12and also the terrible thing I think is that it's for food and then they had a

1:06:17problem with the with the gmail and google account yeah you can sign in

1:06:20again you can become a member of the Pokemon trainers club by going to this

1:06:23website which I had no success for days and then finally I was like I'm just

1:06:27gonna hit refresh refresh refresh and finally I got and was able to create an

1:06:32account which i wanted to do because i had signed originally with the google

1:06:37account and then you know it was revealed that it was granting way too

1:06:41much access so i wanted to set up the trainer account and trainer club account

1:06:47and i finally got him but the but the problem is their servers are so

1:06:50overwhelmed I guess yeah that we when we were out and about at one point person

1:06:57was very hard to create the account second of all when we were out that it

1:07:01was just it would not could not be able to connect so you would log you out of

1:07:04the game and you wouldn't be able to play so i finally and at that time I was

1:07:09like walking on just give me that they had released the patch for the to reduce

1:07:13the amount of access that it had your google account so i thought i just

1:07:18signed back in with my google account and network fine

1:07:20it seems so curious to me that they would it that that they would have this

1:07:25you know

1:07:26privacy i don't think was a security bug but it was my privacy hole where they

1:07:31were you know give taking too much access to your google account it's so

1:07:35curious to me that the company used to be part of google you know you think if

1:07:38anybody would get this right it would be them and and I know you know firsthand

1:07:44everybody's ever made any kind of online thing like identity is such a weird

1:07:48there's no good answer to the the identity problem

1:07:52I mean rolling your own versus you know letting people sign in with twitter or

1:07:57google or facebook or whatever there's flipside solve and I know that it's

1:08:02difficult I mean Vesper sink is about as simple as it could be but it was still

1:08:06it

1:08:07big hassle yeah developing it isn't even beyond so beyond those things that we go

1:08:14there are also numerous instances where we would capture a Pokemon and then it

1:08:20would just freeze

1:08:21oh and you said you'd have to restart the app to get back in and then it would

1:08:26not

1:08:26you know it wouldn't remember that you had caught that Pokemon so that was

1:08:30obviously kind of annoying but the thing that is so amazing though is that

1:08:33despite these problems it's still so crazy popular and well as those those

1:08:39problems evident even stopping you I haven't stopped us from playing either

1:08:41explain to me what what people are buying with the in-app purchases i I'm

1:08:48not well you ended your buying credits first of all you're buying litecoin kind

1:08:52of things that you can spend on different things one of the things that

1:08:56you can buy you can get you can buy more pokeballs to capture more pokemon

1:09:00although we have a we have a bouquet stop at the end of the street so i dont

1:09:03and dont feel like I have to worry about i don't play it so much that i'm using

1:09:08that many pokeballs I don't know that i'm not sure what else you can i am

1:09:13assuming that you can buy things like eggs so that you can incubate your your

1:09:16pokemon and maybe incense to attract pokemon and maybe maybe you can also buy

1:09:21lures and things like that so i'm assuming that it's that you can spend

1:09:26coins on things of that nature but I haven't I haven't bought anything that

1:09:32this part of my brain has obviously just a trophy

1:09:36I don't know if if I killed it with alcohol I got the part of my game that

1:09:40is supposed to be the supposed to listen to this and say that sounds like a lot

1:09:44of fun is just totally gone and i think there was a time when I would have see I

1:09:50don't think it's quite like you know there's people who hate sports or just

1:09:54start did sports just does nothing for them and so they kind of hate sports

1:09:58because whenever anybody else is talking about it it's just blah blah blah you

1:10:02know that they don't they don't get it

1:10:04I used to love video games i really did and it just somehow it just just died

1:10:10off but the idea that you see spending real money to get incense bird to lure

1:10:16poking fun they're not real

1:10:21well yeah i mean i don't i don't like that that model obviously I know but

1:10:28it's better than looking for a model I like paying for the game up front I mean

1:10:31you know the other game that i bought was recently was the lego star wars the

1:10:35force awakens oh we got that we've played like crazy to which is super fun

1:10:40and is a fixed up front

1:10:43yes p and I'm much more comfortable with that and that's why I don't that's why i

1:10:49don't buy stuff and those aren't the only games that I've really have plans I

1:10:55would say in the last 10 years that at least ninety-five percent of my

1:10:59video-game-playing time has been on the lego games

1:11:01yeah yeah the crazy thing that we found was that the speaking of the Tendo

1:11:08that's the one and maybe there's one other platform i think maybe the xpac

1:11:12they like xbox 360 version in the wii u version of lego star wars the force

1:11:19awakens does not

1:11:21you can't even buy the season pass to get the extra characters and stuff it's

1:11:27only the basic so we we bought it and I was thinking oh yeah and then we played

1:11:32you know played through it pretty quickly and I'm like oh if let's buy the

1:11:37season pass to get the extra stuff oh we can't that's weird

1:11:41so it's probably got and we got an eye on iOS and it's not all out on iOS yet

1:11:46but supposedly that stuff will will will get eventually released iOS now I like

1:11:52those games

1:11:53yeah i'm not a fan of the modern ones though where they started started

1:11:57talking I like well this is the one exception i think and the reason i think

1:12:03it's an exception in this case is because they recorded a whole bunch of

1:12:05new material for the game

1:12:08the thing that I think I agreed with that in the past I always liked when

1:12:13they were my life yeah i'm just making noises

1:12:16instead of using dialogue from the movies but I think they've they've upped

1:12:20their game significantly now because with this game they got everybody

1:12:26including Harrison Ford and recorded a whole bunch of new material and stuff

1:12:31that is actually related to the gameplay so they'll say things like we need to

1:12:36get over there to connect those two things so that we can open the gate to

1:12:42get through or whatever and I mean the that's actually they're talking about

1:12:46stuff that you need to do in the game in order to advance and andy and i think

1:12:52it's cool to be able to hear now it's the characters that you love from the

1:12:56movie and you're getting to hear more of them

1:12:59well I'm glad to hear you say that they did good they did it well i just i still

1:13:03feel that i miss the old style where they they just demoted you know sort of

1:13:07like the sims I think and I think it's a fair comparison where they would just

1:13:10you know put on quote speak with these mumbles that were like universal

1:13:16language so they wouldn't have to you know and and it to me it was an

1:13:21interesting thing as a to think about the writing challenge of making it very

1:13:26clear that when the characters move that you know what what he's upset about

1:13:30because he can't actually say the words so you have to be really really clear

1:13:35with the game design and the writing which I think helped them helped it like

1:13:39focus on you know making everything is clear as possible and I just thought it

1:13:44was you know a like a cool thing

1:13:47yeah and most moderate feel I feel like the reason the main reason though for it

1:13:51was was localization wasn't I mean whatever I was that's what I was

1:13:54thinking is that it must have been a great boon to localization you know that

1:13:58they wouldn't have to localize you know

1:13:59yeah because they didn't really as i recall they didn't really do like

1:14:03subtitles either wasn't like there was stuff that was on screen it was just

1:14:06mm-hmm

1:14:07yeah they wouldn't yeah they're great and I mean everyone so I think there was

1:14:10some they would have an on-screen they would at least have an on-screen

1:14:15description of like what you might need to do but I think sometimes they

1:14:20actually said like the character is saying you know they would have liked

1:14:23the characters name and with colon and then yeah like dialogue

1:14:27maybe we should buy the yeah but so yeah I mean like I just died and I'm think

1:14:32that it's kind of cool to to get that extra material now and I'm so i'm i'm

1:14:39now on board

1:14:40yeah that's the way they're going to do it from the 1i think but I'd also that I

1:14:44think that those exclusives stink to you know that if somehow sony paid them so

1:14:49that PlayStation as i get two month period where only playstation can get

1:14:52that we and that that's rotten like you shouldn't be penalized because you have

1:14:57the the quote yeah i mean i kind of get it if it's the AI mean like the xbox 360

1:15:02I kind of understand because you can get it on the xbox one and so yeah I mean

1:15:06okay they're not they're not going to spend as much development time on an

1:15:09older platform right you was looking for you is the one that's the new one right

1:15:14maybe we should do the rest of the episode it's just with mumbles and

1:15:19grunts and see if you know can we do this

1:15:24oh wow I'm sure man i used to play and I used to play the sims long long ago and

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1:19:05mmm yeah I can actually see them requesting that they pay day they make

1:19:13like wacky you know some you know you you listen didn't get a they do some

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1:19:27anything else on your agenda what else is going on this week

1:19:31well and you want to talk about any q's uh yeah I be good and i read that i read

1:19:38the the piece that you link to it which yeah i mean i completely agree it sounds

1:19:42exactly exactly like what he really didn't I

1:19:46how would you summarize this so the UH with all that way i can what is that

1:19:53what's the attitude there is certainly no no the hell with this little britches

1:19:58so it started with any Q&A interview in variety and the just suppose that they

1:20:03were like asking about the lappers long-rumored quote-unquote skinny bundle

1:20:08of of TV channels that you you could say you give Apple ten dollars a month or

1:20:13twenty dollars a month and you could get like ESPN CNN turner classic movies you

1:20:21know like I don't know about a quote-unquote skinny bundle or maybe you

1:20:24get like 30 of the most popular channels like a basic-cable kind of thing yeah

1:20:30like a basic-cable maybe even smaller and they haven't been able to pull it

1:20:35off and one of the reasons is that all of these motor almost all of these TV

1:20:39channels are owned by these massive conglomerates big media corporations

1:20:45that will always want to bundle these things altogether and so like you know

1:20:50they're you know like so when and and that's what they're used to dealing with

1:20:53in the cable world and so that the reason you have 850

1:20:57also I mean literally I I'd I some of the channels i watch are like up in the

1:21:01800 I don't understand why but there that's where they are i watch like four

1:21:07channels and some of them are open the 800 but the reason why is that it's like

1:21:11if you want to have ESPN in your bundle you've got to take you know espn2 and

1:21:15ESPN Spanish and espn3 and you know ESPN headline news or whatever it's called

1:21:21you gotta take em all

1:21:22you can't just say we just want to offer ESPN and then we can pass the savings on

1:21:26to our customers they're they're not interested in it and so any cute old and

1:21:31everybody's been under the impression that Apple has been trying to negotiate

1:21:34something like that specifically at eq that's you know right up his wheelhouse

1:21:37assuming he's the guy and he told variety that date they don't even really

1:21:41want to do it you really only want to go to your party it back exactly i'm not

1:21:48invited wanna go yeah I didn't want to go to your party and a friend of the

1:21:53show Peter Kafka you know I was on his podcast recently I don't know if you

1:21:56listen to it I thought it was pretty pretty good

1:21:59I it's in my queue

1:22:02thanks for listening John it actually is i actually have had that had the webpage

1:22:08open for like a long time and I just haven't gotten to yet I if you have for

1:22:13anybody who hasn't listened it's a good i'll put it in the show notes

1:22:17Peter Kafka of recode it does a I got inside the media podcast I think

1:22:27samantha bee was on recently so it's kind of cool that I was on a podcast for

1:22:30Samantha bee was on

1:22:31yeah like I finally listened to that one it's good yeah how I would I'm sure it's

1:22:35fucking sure it's a lot funnier guarantee that i love her show by the

1:22:42way did you watch your show

1:22:43I didn't mean well I you know I get clip I clip everything I honestly I honestly

1:22:47because I don't get cable but you said me who's the funniest person on

1:22:50late-night TV right now I i think i would say some at the B I really is

1:22:54really good i think is really a really John Oliver a lot too but he would be my

1:22:57eating two of them but I think we're tied for me

1:22:59yeah can you but I still can't I can't believe they were both on the daily show

1:23:03and some out to come to central let them both get away like the 22 me the two

1:23:07funniest people on on TV

1:23:09our them but anyway mhm i put in shown that you can listen to Peter Kafka

1:23:14wanted to talk to me about the one-man media empire I've set up here so if you

1:23:18ever wanted to know my thinking behind you know what the hell i do here at

1:23:22daring fireball you could feel the side that turned out pretty I hate talking

1:23:26about myself I hate I really do and I it's you know in the gist of it is that

1:23:31this has been somewhat successful which makes me hate talking about it even more

1:23:35and it somehow he made it tolerable and I didn't want to die so you can listen

1:23:40to it but anyway peter kafka media reporter extraordinaire link to this

1:23:47Eddy Cue thing with variety and he offered is a own translation of it which

1:23:51like you said really brings yeah this is what he meant everything is completely

1:23:55true you know i mean just that week we can't pull it together so you know so

1:24:01that we will just say that we we don't even want to do it

1:24:05although that mean I'm sure they're still interested i say i think so too

1:24:11and I think that Kafka stake of look we see that you guys are headed off a cliff

1:24:16you should see it to you know this seems this seems like it should be i hate to

1:24:22say it but win-win-win right that this year is good this is such a deal would

1:24:26be good for Apple it would be good for Apple TV users and it would be good for

1:24:31the these TV channels because they have this life after cable but if you guys

1:24:38want to wait to go over the cliff and then we'll work it out sorted out at the

1:24:41end I guess that's what we'll do

1:24:43because it really is for me for me it would obviously would be great because I

1:24:49we don't get cable and every once in awhile that's a problem if the funnies

1:24:56the funny thing was like when we first canceling cable it was no my wife called

1:25:02me that was back when i was working in office and she called me she said I

1:25:04cancel cable was like oh this was

1:25:08Shh it was I would have been six years ago something like that anyway with a

1:25:13year 10 of the olympics at the $YEAR winter olympics like I was thinking we

1:25:17would do it right after the Olympics she's like oh oh yeah so we didn't watch

1:25:23the Olympics that year but you know but we have not we have not looked back

1:25:28other than other than every once in a while they're being like something like

1:25:30that i think would be really nice to watch as it errors but no no it's not

1:25:36worth the ongoing cost us

1:25:38yeah and it's I just seems to me that I would think and again i'm making this up

1:25:44so I'm not an analyst i can make stuff up i think though that cord cutting is a

1:25:49it it's a good demographic like it's not people are cutting the cord because they

1:25:57can't afford cable it's because they're technically savvy enough that they've

1:26:03got devices that they can use to fill up you know the four hours of time they

1:26:09want to spend entertaining themselves on the screen without cable

1:26:13yeah you know and well I'd say i was spending so much time getting my media

1:26:17some other way you know I would

1:26:18it's time and money getting a media some other like either buying it off of

1:26:21itunes or getting it someplace where I wouldn't have to have ads in it that I

1:26:27was not I mean I certainly wasn't devoting is sixty dollars a month of my

1:26:33entertainment you know spending so much more on that compared to the other stuff

1:26:37that it just didn't make sense anymore

1:26:39yeah I just don't understand why these the TV executives wouldn't want to get a

1:26:42piece of that pie you know get involved

1:26:45yeah my well like we have like Kafka eludes did they probably will eventually

1:26:51yeah and i don't know i just can't help but think that the app model is it's

1:26:56just not ideal

1:26:57it's you know it's not bad and it works and there are some of those stations you

1:27:02know a calm State it works if your big right i mean it works if your HBO but I

1:27:08don't think it works necessarily for everybody

1:27:11yeah HBO does it pretty well I think that their apple TV up i think the

1:27:14interface is a little confusing that the the navigation I don't know if you've

1:27:18used it but

1:27:19the and just a bit it's it's a confirmed date the there's like a simple like iOS

1:27:28really hammered at home but it's like that old next column view you know from

1:27:32the next finder or whatever the file manager and now that you have it in the

1:27:36finder right and it's such a simple little thing but it's so brilliant where

1:27:41you just you know start on the left this is the route and as you go deeper

1:27:45it just keeps sliding overwrite the whole iphone interface is built on that

1:27:50right so far left conceptually is here's all of your email accounts you go into

1:27:54one of them and here's all of the mailboxes in that account you hit a

1:27:57mailbox

1:27:58here's all of the messages in that mailbox just keep going to the right I

1:28:03did the apple TV is large you know a lot of the stuff and apple TV is is largely

1:28:07like that that the app the HBO happens just sort of like there's a whole bunch

1:28:12of things you can tap and it'll take you somewhere and there's no I have no idea

1:28:16how to get back to where I just was but anyway what I big one of my biggest

1:28:19complaints about the apple TV is the fact that it ended brought have brought

1:28:23some crappy apps i think yeah I think the netflix app is not as good as it

1:28:27used to be

1:28:28yeah tony is the same maybe it's the same on the maybe there's an update that

1:28:31came to the older ones too and it was good as well but they they did it they

1:28:35did an update and actually I maybe that's true because i think the iOS one

1:28:38is not as good as it used to be either it seems like they did an update that

1:28:42was trying to get there you go again coming back to sort of what we were

1:28:45talking about earlier about Microsoft and Google trying to get their app

1:28:48experience the same off of across all those platforms and it you know that

1:28:53experience was not nearly as good as the original iOS maps were the good thing

1:29:02about HBO this I salute you HBO you are doing it right is that they they don't

1:29:07have any kind of like window so if you want to watch Game of Thrones on sunday

1:29:12night because you don't want spoilers you can watch it on HBO app as soon as

1:29:18it's on you you know the TV station

1:29:21yeah

1:29:22really like that when I used to be into I would I loved is probably my favorite

1:29:26show of all time madmen I always bought it on itunes so that I could watch it

1:29:32without ads with them without even you know I mean this is me and my money just

1:29:37pouring through my fingers because i don't even have tivo of course but I

1:29:41didn't you know don't even like skipping at its it

1:29:44the show is too I thought madman was so cinematic that it was just wrecking it's

1:29:48like watching a movie with with commercials I don't even want to do the

1:29:51Flip so i would but i would buy the season pass on itunes but they had baked

1:29:59it only come out like 24 hours later and madmen wasn't like Game of Thrones where

1:30:03there were these crazy plot twists and it wasn't nearly as popular you know is

1:30:07popular but game of thrones' yeah popular so yeah you didn't have to worry

1:30:11well the game is a game of thrones the kind of thing where everybody's watching

1:30:13at the same time and you know it's on twitter you can see you know when it's

1:30:16happening because everybody's commenting on it as it's being aired right and so I

1:30:20didn't it wasn't so much that I was worried about a 24-hour window where I

1:30:25could encounter a spoiler it was just a vague frustration that I'm really

1:30:29looking forward to this next episode of the show like maybe enough there is a

1:30:32good some kind of cliffhanger the week before it just felt annoying to me that

1:30:37I'm the sucker who paid money even though I've got cable / I could watch it

1:30:41for free I've given you more money so that i can watch it without the

1:30:45commercial interruptions and you're making me wait 24 hours

1:30:50like I feel like I should get it 24 hours early if anything you know the

1:30:55other reason but everybody's been in the stupid the the whole thing is predicated

1:30:58on deals that they have with cable providers now the other thing i will say

1:31:04yes this is true too

1:31:06I don't know how he's being so your ear suffering you're suffering because of a

1:31:09deal we made with somebody else

1:31:11yeah in my defense also i will defend my life right my financial angle

1:31:19hi I'll front you need well from I'd you know what they should put all my money

1:31:24in there so i get to stop wasting it on steps penny and I don't TV shows that

1:31:28you get other ways I don't know what my annual returns are

1:31:32on this episode of mad man i don't but i don't know you it's not what it's not 11

1:31:37a percent or whatever they said it's more like two three percent because they

1:31:40would advise you to stop spending your money on TV shows i will say this i have

1:31:44watched mad men in its entirety twice

1:31:46although i didn't want the last season rewatch the last season yet but I've

1:31:49watched everything but the last season entirely twice so and I you know so it

1:31:54that would have been a would've still been on my tivo so I would have had to

1:31:59buy it somehow you would do what should you watch Kimmy Schmidt yes I don't know

1:32:07if I've if we completed the season two I don't know if we have or not but I know

1:32:12where at least halfway through season two and I we did was ok because John

1:32:15Hannah's is the dolls oh yeah we did finish it because i know that there's

1:32:19it's what I won't say it there is a ok and i want to do yes now that ledger

1:32:23eight there's a great joke about that

1:32:25what was the joke about Jon Hamm is not a spoiler can you say that

1:32:30well i'm in a way you know the joke because it's in reference to UM can be

1:32:37here with a warehouse and he if you don't if you don't skip over this if you

1:32:42don't want to know what the impurity second but she's she talks about how it

1:32:46you know how the the guy that held her captive was so crazy and like one of the

1:32:49things that he he thought that he wrote that Coke something haha why pride that

1:32:54slip past me i didn't notice that i did not have that you it is delirious

1:33:03because it's delivered in a very like you know like most of the jokes that's

1:33:06like a very often but they're just walking down the street and indeed know

1:33:11it and I think like she's talking to Titus or something in his next line cuts

1:33:15right in you don't like the they they don't spend any time on it at all it

1:33:20just just deliver it and move on

1:33:22so it's it's an odd segue but i will go with it out one of the things i was

1:33:26talking after we watched the season two of king street so anybody who doesn't

1:33:30know it's the TV show on netflix on break up the unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt

1:33:36or just on a wrinkly unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt ah created by tina fey I don't

1:33:41know who else deserves creator credit

1:33:43and if you liked 30 rock you like the show

1:33:48it's aight i don't see however don't know i don't see how anybody like 30

1:33:52rock wouldn't like the show and it is so densely populated with jokes and I think

1:33:57that it's really struck me is that it it and now that there's a second show in

1:34:02this style it's it's like Tina Fey it's I know that everybody loves her and

1:34:07she's you know the super popular and you know does award shows and I was all

1:34:12these accolades but I still feel like it's almost like under remarked upon how

1:34:17she's like invented like at a a format for a sitcom that is like like an entire

1:34:25order of magnitude denser with jokes then and then anything that came before

1:34:31it like it its exquisite like if you really think about and I think about it

1:34:36is right i mean i don't write screenplays but I you know I write it it

1:34:40just seems impossible to me that they come up with ten or twenty episodes that

1:34:45yeah that densely packed with jokes like almost every single word out of every

1:34:50characters mouth is a joke

1:34:52there's no setup it's alright it's just relentless and I'm not you know it's not

1:34:56like you're sitting there laughing the entire time non-stop it's it on but it's

1:34:59I find it incredibly engaging because it's just so smart it's just like the

1:35:04smartest thing I've ever seen

1:35:06yeah and there's it's it has another layer to it too i think there's like

1:35:13things going on that you have to you have to be it's one of those like the

1:35:17way i will like made a mistake in watching the most recent season of

1:35:23arrested development which was trying to watch it while doing something else I

1:35:29had it on the background like when I was making dinner and stuff and things like

1:35:32that and you can't and i really didn't appreciate it and so I need to go back

1:35:36and like I think to vote because the way that show interweaves with things going

1:35:40on particularly that showed like we're interviews and things are going on in

1:35:43the background that are really the funny part a lot of times like you see

1:35:48something going on

1:35:49yeah that's that happen in a previous episode that's going on in the

1:35:52background right then that makes the joke in the foreground funny

1:35:56yeah

1:35:57it demands your attention yeah yeah yeah and i think i think this is kind of like

1:36:01that to where you can if you're not really paying attention you can miss a

1:36:05lot

1:36:05yeah so that's my recommendation is anybody if you're looking for something

1:36:09good to watch get into the unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt super-smart I just and

1:36:13almost impossible and jon hamm is very funny on

1:36:18yeah it was great guys great casting I never even mentioned the premise of the

1:36:24show

1:36:24oh it if you're not a way I mean maybe most people are aware but the premise of

1:36:29the show its so it's almost sick the premise of the show is that

1:36:33kimmy schmidt the main character is she the one she's a modern woman she was

1:36:40kidnapped as a teenager by a weirdo and kept in an underground bunker for 20

1:36:46years or something was it like 20 and 10 and i think yes she like missed you know

1:36:51like the bush administration or something like that but you went from

1:36:54like 15 15 cameras something like that yeah because they feel like it was the

1:36:58nineties when she was captured and then the show us 20 who the show starts with

1:37:02her and and the other women who were captured by this guy escaping from from

1:37:06and going you know assimilating back into regular life

1:37:11yeah and they don't show and they don't show the guy they're crazy I mean the

1:37:15heat the show from like the back right four episodes and episodes and then he

1:37:19finally shows up toward the end or at least you don't like it you know more

1:37:24than halfway through the first season and it's john him and it's great there

1:37:32were John inner-city I don't spoil too much but there's a trial and that where

1:37:36jon hamm goes on trial for what he did and it really reminded me like and he he

1:37:41represents himself as his attorney and it's so reminded me of of my all-time

1:37:47favorite Simpson character which was Lionel Hutz the the Laura the ones you

1:37:52played by phil hartman Oh philharmonia the Lionhearts was to me the funniest

1:37:59thing ever on the simpsons yeah you're the judge and I'm the law talking guy

1:38:04you mean an attorney

1:38:06yeah

1:38:07what else is going on what else we have to talk about uh are you you are you

1:38:15guys are you submitting your sauce so yourselves for the planet of the apps

1:38:19oh no I don't get this at all i really don't know later I really don't

1:38:25it's really something every night for well first of all i'm not i'm not a fan

1:38:29of reality TV right so not a good you know I may not be a good person to judge

1:38:35this

1:38:35well I kind of get it in in that it's a marketing tool for the app store i guess

1:38:42but so Apple insert eyes in that regard but it does it seem apple is

1:38:49co-producing upcoming reality show with with some production company that does

1:38:54regular reality shows you know obviously has experience with it where it's going

1:38:59to be a bad about developers making apps and it just from what i know a reality

1:39:05TV that's like it it's you know it's it's all this like emotional soap opera

1:39:11stuff you know it's yeah it and and I can't think of anything I mean this is

1:39:17like the most like developing apps is it's not cinematic you know it's a lot

1:39:23of typing you know what are they gonna shower i don't get it i mean i may be

1:39:30honest II Craig gonna see Craig Hockenberry sitting at a computer right

1:39:33i just don't see how that's a show I don't get it but anyway apples doing in

1:39:38there taking applications and you have to go after willing to live in Los

1:39:44Angeles for a couple months at the end of the year and they said please don't

1:39:48sign up and you see the point of fact it was like please note sign up if you

1:39:52can't do that if you can't commit like two months to like right maybe the game

1:39:57maybe they may be the guy that decided he was getting into his email to go to

1:40:02New Zealand you can do it but well I can see how some you know developers

1:40:06definitely especially young ones and maybe that's part of the gist of the

1:40:09show is that it's you know the sort of 20-something demographic

1:40:14I like you know I could see it I guess I I don't know it just seems very strange

1:40:19did the strange part to me it doesn't seem so strange that somebody would make

1:40:24a show about a problem but it seems strange to me that Apple is is is

1:40:28co-producing and it's going to be so this is like the first original content

1:40:31you know to loop it back for the previous topic of the show that they're

1:40:35you know its original content that Apple is going to give out through the itunes

1:40:39store somehow and it just seems very strange that it would be a reality show

1:40:43when everybody else is exclusive content is stuff like Kimmy Schmidt and you know

1:40:49daredevil house of cards yeah daredevil house of cards you know it's all these

1:40:54these you know cinematic really good shape really gonna show us and really

1:41:00great shows that are very compelling to watch and we're gonna have some guys

1:41:05typing t-mobile is giving users a free year the year of free data to play

1:41:13pokemon go

1:41:14yeah wonder how that works technically like how do they know what data is used

1:41:17for pokemon go and oh that's a good point i mean i guess i'm just going to

1:41:26be

1:41:26to identify it somehow yeah i don't know i don't get it you're not you're not

1:41:32you're not on Team Laurie uh no not really I i add that might be I told you

1:41:37have the the okay everybody's yeah my android is on a month-to-month tmobile

1:41:45clip I think I fire going to switch I probably switch to t-mobile

1:41:48yeah i would like to but if we don't have enough good coverage of on I i

1:41:54wrote a single casualty a year ago for maximum Tom's Hardware Tom and I did

1:42:02they were they were doing a series of like studies of who had the best

1:42:06coverage in certain cities and I did there I did the testing for the for

1:42:09seattle and spent a bunch of time you know driving around testing these

1:42:15different carriers on some of these android phones and tmobile was was the

1:42:23fastest but when i brought the first came home with the phones women getting

1:42:28coverage here

1:42:29yeah that I mean speed is nice but it's the coverages key yeah yeah so it wasn't

1:42:35really an option really our only option where we are right now is verizon

1:42:39because we had the same experience with AT&T and we got one of those cells

1:42:42microcells and it didn't work for yeah those things are garbage yeah yeah yeah

1:42:49I don't have to test with this phone before I switch and see if it covers

1:42:52everything I mean everywhere you are it's probably probably safe I think it

1:42:56probably is but it is such a better deal i forget what we pay for verizon but

1:43:00yeah all around it's a better deal right and yet you get you get more flexibility

1:43:06and it's cheaper

1:43:07yeah and when they tell you it's fifty dollars a month you get charged fifty

1:43:09dollars like 50.7 dollars which is amazing to me but it gives its fifty

1:43:17dollars a month and you get three gigs and you get your beer credit card

1:43:20notification that I get a notification that my credit card was charged 50.0

1:43:24dollars tmobile but it wasn't I mean I mean i think what i'm getting a better

1:43:28and better deal with verizon i feel like because we added Hank

1:43:33and.and he does not use a small amount of data and sometimes that's a problem

1:43:38but we're still paying I think we're paying less than we were a year ago I

1:43:43tell you what Jonas did so Jonas we have 15 gigabytes of share data among the

1:43:48three of us on verizon and but Amy and I want a not only three times what we have

1:43:55and it's the three times more than we used most months and I just but it's

1:43:59grandfathered in it's almost like it's like the verizon version of the old AT&T

1:44:04five-unit your unlimited they all get unlimited which I better a surprising

1:44:09number of people are still hanging onto Paul was for a long time I don't know if

1:44:13I think he finally got off i think Casey list is too

1:44:16I somebody I think Casey list i have somebody was talking on a podcast

1:44:20recently about how they're still hanging onto it which drives me I can't believe

1:44:23anybody does it because you can't tether like I don't care how much you love it

1:44:27at the unlimited data plan that yeah i don'ti but tethering is so important to

1:44:31me it's it's really too

1:44:33I mean I'm little i told you i'm literally tethered to my verizon phone

1:44:37right now as we speak

1:44:38the show without alright that's how we're recording this show ah it is so

1:44:42essential to my mobile computing it's ridiculous but anyway uh it were

1:44:48grandfathered in it like a better rate than you can get now for 15 gigs and we

1:44:52came and i flew out to California for WWDC Jonas had just gotten a school that

1:44:58you know friday before was his last day of school and he was with Amy sister for

1:45:01the week and up on like the monday WATC I got a notice from verizon that we've

1:45:11used up 14.9 gigabytes of our 15 gigabyte plan

1:45:16and our billing cycle ends on the twelfth meaning it ends on the twelfth

1:45:22of july a month later so it's literally like that like the first day of the

1:45:28billing cycle Jonas used like 15 15 gigabytes of data in like 48 hours

1:45:36ah i said i didn't know what this in a and I realize like in the old days like

1:45:43I feeling maybe as a test like at first there was a moment where I was furious

1:45:50at this is the angry because he he's a smart kid he knows what wife is really

1:45:57smart enough to know what you know knows what Wi-Fi is he just never got on got

1:46:04on their Wi-Fi went on their Wi-Fi when he got there just watching non-stop

1:46:08high-definition youtube for ya 48-hour right right i mean that's a lot though

1:46:15even even with its new and we even watching at home in 15

1:46:21you know well then I got I kind of got proud I was like well that's actually

1:46:25kind of a you know my head is 15 games of data 48 hours like you know that's

1:46:32like the equivalent for the baby book like you know Jonas isn't very good at

1:46:35sports but you know it's sort of like you know hit for the cycle

1:46:39he's very good at using data very good at using data but I figured out that it

1:46:43never gonna charge me I forget what it is but it's like once you go over you

1:46:47have to pay for every gigabyte and I knew it was going to be a fairly you

1:46:50know if the whole WWDC week was enemy where we would you know that

1:46:55repeat the week where we're at disney world was in their house I just gonna be

1:46:59an extra pair this is like them take them he did this on the day of the month

1:47:03it's starting on the billing cycle we probably actually this is the time we

1:47:06actually use the 15 gigs in fact I remember it was at disney world one here

1:47:10where i upped the apt our plan to the 15 kick plan but I checked and upgrading

1:47:15that you can temporarily upgrade to a higher plan like Verizon is nice about

1:47:21yeah we can go to 20 or 25 or something like that but once you do i I couldn't

1:47:26ever go back down to this 15 big plan we how was it

1:47:29longer exists and I figured that we're gonna it would be better to just pay

1:47:34like like seriously like an extra hundred and fifty dollars this month for

1:47:38all of our over but we'll make up for it and look we really would make up for it

1:47:42in the long run as long as we stay in verizon oh my god and of course now here

1:47:47I am talking about switching to t-mobile

1:47:49yeah right well you need to get your money out of it first i had i get i did

1:47:56not yell at Jonah's I feel like this is where I'm a good parent like I'd you

1:47:59know by the time I I i conversed with him about the situation I was calm and i

1:48:05started guy I was just you know and similar tone that I am now I mean what

1:48:09are you gonna do but I I just remember when I was a kid if I had done something

1:48:14like that that it that it resulted in our family having to pay at a hundred

1:48:18and fifty dollars for something that I could have done for free just by turning

1:48:24on Wi-Fi and logging on to divide to his aunt's house Wi-Fi I ikea my parents

1:48:32would have I I mean they would I I they might have had a stroke

1:48:36I mean and yeah i can just imagine my dad would be so mad

1:48:40oh my god it's ludicrous how easy it is

1:48:43I mean and I don't want to be I'm not trying to blame apple or anybody else

1:48:47really but it's just technology and giving them access to this stuff is when

1:48:53he was living he was a little kid he he spent I mean he didn't like something

1:48:58that purchase thing where he got like coins for paper toss or something was

1:49:03like you know some ridiculous game and spend like a hundred fifty bucks i

1:49:07remember them

1:49:08yeah i think i told you that and then oh and then like did you call about that

1:49:14what you'd pay it or did you call apple and and I think that when I got I got

1:49:18back they think they refunded that they refunded most of it or something i don't

1:49:22remember like I decided I I think what I decided was that some of it should be on

1:49:27me because I let you know I'll i wasn't doing the password log out thing you

1:49:32know they gave him his ipad you know i bought the thing for me because you know

1:49:35he wanted like you know it's like ten ten dollar coins or something that's

1:49:39fine yeah and so I got him got him some coins and then he was like okay

1:49:43still logged in click click click and I I I think what I did was like I decided

1:49:50some of it i would split like that was on part of it was on me so I paid for

1:49:54half of it and and they refunded me the other half or something like that Tom

1:49:58and then and then we the other thing that happened last year was that was

1:50:04last just last year i think it was he wanted to he wanted a book on I got

1:50:11kindle book and so I'll i got onto his laptop this was a terrible mistake i got

1:50:16his laptop and and you know Gandhi amazon and bought in the candle so they

1:50:21could get it onto his ipad and then I you know in my credit card information

1:50:24was left there and so he was still logged into amazon he was just like yeah

1:50:29I don't think he knew exactly what had happened he may probably did but he put

1:50:33a couple things in the cart and clean them alone

1:50:38no no these are going back and that's I admire them for that you know i mean are

1:50:48you know unfortunately that 1i that what it was like when the enemy so now the

1:50:52thing is like if you go if we go over i like I'd like I figure like five

1:50:55gigabytes we mostly spent our time in the house all you know i mean

1:50:57particularly in the in the summer way we have access to Wi-Fi and and yet I are

1:51:04planning our plans like five gigs and then like if we go over and you're using

1:51:07most of it you're paying for the overage and that's what that's our deal so it

1:51:11comes out of his allowance the fee Jonas has too much he has i dislike the

1:51:17parenting episode of the show he has a surprising amount of of cash

1:51:22and it's all accumulated from like birthdays and and Christmas yeah like

1:51:28that you know

1:51:29yeah hey yeah i mean he's he literally looks like he's going to Atlantic City

1:51:34to gamble like he's got like like a wad of cash and a roll like a rubber band

1:51:40around it because it's like we do make him like if he wants to do like an

1:51:46in-app purchase or something if he wants to get like a ten dollar upgrade for

1:51:50playstation game or whatever it's like okay would you know I'll ok it but you

1:51:56know you gotta give me 10 box and yes like when he takes out that it's like I

1:51:59never had money like that i remember when i was like 12 result I the most

1:52:03money I ever had at a time was was like enough to buy like a Hot Wheels car like

1:52:07that yeah and they were days to be about 22 bucks like like buying a Hot Wheels

1:52:12car at kmart with bike bankrupt me

1:52:15yeah I mean I feel like maybe i would scrape together 15 bucks or something

1:52:18like that but for the most part yeah and then Hank is similar though because it

1:52:22becomes in fits and spurts and I think it usually is like he's usually very

1:52:26flushed because his birthday is near Christmas so he's usually very flesh

1:52:29come January but he is also spent like I mean sometimes you just like he just

1:52:35won't buy anything for a great stretches of time and then he'll build up like I

1:52:38mean there have been a number of times where he's had like a like a

1:52:41hundred-dollar bill just liner was working for her more

1:52:44how does it happen that quick

1:52:48I never have a hundred-dollar bill we squandered our you youth going out

1:52:52playing Sandlot baseball we should have been in the house click the

1:52:54hundred-dollar bills I i did not make him pay the overage it just it's clearly

1:52:59was a mistake and is a lot of money but yeah if it happened to well that's it

1:53:03yeah I mean I the first the first one is fine but after that and and what is that

1:53:08you already had already gone over once so this wasn't ever that's our new day

1:53:13that's our new deal we've had this discussion before I was like they were

1:53:16not having this discussion again you have got to realize that you don't watch

1:53:21you don't go into one of your YouTube fever dreams fuchs what is he what is he

1:53:31watches you watch play with people playing games is that I think it's

1:53:34mostly people playing games i I'd whenever I look at the screen it's it's

1:53:37always like people playing games

1:53:39yeah yeah Hank is Hank has gotten into like we went to an arcade he loves going

1:53:44to these arcades and playing these coin games which i can't stand mostly but he

1:53:50watches people play these things on YouTube and so we went yesterday to one

1:53:55of these you know goofy arcades mode you know most of the games of which i can't

1:54:01i can't bear but I there was this one game where you just drop these balls

1:54:05into a into this thing that's going around that has these holes and the

1:54:10balls going to the holes in there you know whatever you number you get you get

1:54:13and then they give you these tickets right yeah when you go to exchange the

1:54:17tickets for some crap but he had been watching he had apparently been watching

1:54:21somebody who figured out like the best way to play this game on youtube and he

1:54:26was like it was like one of those things with the tickets were just like pouring

1:54:28out of the machine but when Hank I was able to like replicate it

1:54:33yeah oh my god yeah already nearly it was the kind of thing where instead of

1:54:38like putting your coins in like one coin and then letting the game play out and

1:54:44then put another coin in you just shove like five coins in succession and

1:54:48because I guess the way the balls like event you know you'll get a ball in a

1:54:54good hole because if there are a number of balls and play at any given time your

1:54:59chances of getting into a good hole or better because they're all going to go

1:55:02into separate holes

1:55:03whereas if you drop one ball you could get you could get a crappy hole every

1:55:07single time but if you drop like 10 balls one of them's probably go into one

1:55:14that's a really high number and then you can take the tickets up and get candy or

1:55:19oh yeah and then I get this place is not just their gifts were pretty lousy RK

1:55:27don't know what they used to be John now they're not what they used to be

1:55:30well we didn't we didn't get prizes at all not arcade but then there's a place

1:55:35the beach where that had that we this place that we go to the beach has a

1:55:39great arcade and the prices are pretty good but this place was pretty crappy so

1:55:43he ended up with a whole bunch of tootsie rolls unit with a laser pointer

1:55:48and a bunch of tootsie rolls and Jonas had a party it was at a birthday party

1:55:52at a place like that sometime last few months and when we picked him up like

1:55:56everybody was just cashing in tickets for candy

1:55:59yeah nobody was looking at the toys all can down yeah that's what you mean he

1:56:03wanted to get nothing but candy but I was like now you should get something

1:56:06get something else just candy you're lying around the house you'll be

1:56:09bouncing off the walls

1:56:11yeah anything else I don't know if you did you want to circle back to that

1:56:17samsung laptop

1:56:18oh yeah I guess we could do that right probably didn't we we alluded to it

1:56:22earlier but didn't

1:56:23yeah that's actually good topic so I i linked to a

1:56:28a review forget who wear it was where was a gizmodo please modo reviews the

1:56:34samsung notebook seven spin alex cranz was was the reviewer and it like it was

1:56:43so presumptuous he said Apple take note this is what people are actually looking

1:56:48for a laptop under a thousand bucks and it looks like a fine windows laptop but

1:56:52it is it looks to me a lot like a 34 year old macbook pro graver thicker and

1:56:57well it's huge it's very huge and then playing and that's one of those things

1:57:03where it's like I don't know sometimes I don't know when to stop it's like it's a

1:57:06short link piece and you know I was doing it from my phone but I felt like

1:57:10this is one of those ones where i could take it apart you know do the old-school

1:57:14thing where a quote as much of it as I want and yeah you know make fun of HSN

1:57:18because I got somebody like he goes on and on the beginning and the end about

1:57:21how great this machine is and then I want to me it's like I think it's a she

1:57:24I think it's oh I don't know our I didn't even think about that i think i

1:57:28like it i could be i hope i didn't use anything but i didn't use any programs

1:57:34so i didn't really talk about Alex so he or she say she but at one point comes up

1:57:40her anyway she uses her she uses her and her

1:57:42yeah so okay so my apologies to alex cranz five pounds it's like so heavy

1:57:50it's a good idea and and she even talks about how its if it's kind of heavy and

1:57:54clunky when it has like it has like a like a keypad right it has that like the

1:58:00number key add because that because the thing is so big board is actually like a

1:58:05full desktop writes that his keyboard that would bother me one reason that

1:58:11would bother my like I don't really need to keep adding do a lot of spreadsheet

1:58:14work but i would not have an aeros over there but it would bother me to have my

1:58:19hands off center

1:58:20yeah well and that's the thing that I've noticed i mean so Hank has it he's got a

1:58:24lenovo which I can't stand but and and you know it is a perfect example of how

1:58:30lousy plastic laptops are because he's rough on everything

1:58:35yeah but if he you know just by opening and closing the the little lot broke the

1:58:40hinge on the

1:58:41on the screen

1:58:44yeah and so I mean fortunately we send it mean they they actually fixed it for

1:58:48free which was nice but I just in in but now he's now he's out on like he wants

1:58:54to you want to be with a laptop that's all metal which is really like if you

1:58:59want a windows laptop is that is not easy to do

1:59:01yeah yeah they have a lot of ones that look like metal but they're actually the

1:59:05you know so this thing is this thing is is five pounds so it's a it's a half a

1:59:10pound heavier than the 15-inch macbook pro and is made of plastic

1:59:17yeah i wrote here's what i wrote any laptop thick enough for an ethernet port

1:59:23is too thick and a lot of readers pushback because you know it's me being

1:59:27a little confident confrontation but you know just being short and sweet but what

1:59:32i mean by that I understand the whole idea that there are people who would be

1:59:35you know I a lot of readers I got a lot of emails from people saying well i

1:59:37would gladly take a thicker laptop that got better battery life I don't carry it

1:59:41that much it doesn't bother me I've got so much other crap in my bag you know an

1:59:44extra half a pound or a pound

1:59:46isn't that big a difference I don't get apples obsession with than this you know

1:59:50what are they gonna do keep making them going until the macbook is as thin as an

1:59:54ipad actually i think yeah that is Apple's goal like I'm for writing sort

1:59:59of from apple

1:59:59of from apple

2:00:00perspective here saying that any laptop they confront ethernet ports to think

2:00:03it's certainly i'm not trying to say that that's a universal truism and that

2:00:06there's nobody who would actually prefer i think your laptop that got better

2:00:10battery life

2:00:11I'm saying because that's the to me the gist of the review from gizmodo was the

2:00:15presumptuousness of trying to say that the angle that got me I wouldn't even

2:00:19notice the review if it wasn't written from the perspective of samsung has made

2:00:24the laptop apple should be making which i think is almost literally what she

2:00:28wrote where it's like this is somebody who has I no idea what Apple's design

2:00:33philosophy and goals like they do not want to make a thicker Mac yeah yeah

2:00:41it's just it's a market that are not in all right i mean it's it's it's a cheap

2:00:46you know it's a maybe it's a good it's good for that class but it's not a class

2:00:50that they make

2:00:51it's the same same thing with the phones I mean like I know that there are plenty

2:00:56of people listening to me talk right now who would be happy to buy a new iphone

2:01:01that was you know significantly it may be as thick as the original iphone and

2:01:09just have all that extra space go to the battery and just have that battery right

2:01:13there you know thicker battery you know not a preposterous we think phone just

2:01:17go back to the thickness of like the 3gs or something like that or even I well I

2:01:22mean we we both have an iphone SE right

2:01:25i I don't I don't use it as my daily phone anyway I never buy ok and i don't

2:01:30know like I don't want to use a review phone is a personal device right doing

2:01:34I didn't buy one up we can go into it if you want but I'm torn terribly torn and

2:01:41I've seen other people say when i bring this up before that they'll say I would

2:01:44I would even go back to the thickness of the iphone for just anything to put a

2:01:47little bit more battery in there because it seems i I'd also think it's maybe

2:01:52it's subjective but that it's just your perception but so many people seem to

2:01:57think that they just need you know like twenty percent more you know that it's

2:02:01just like the last like two or three hours of the day is when the phone dies

2:02:04and i know that there are people who would buy it but apples not going to

2:02:08model their product line by having thicker phones and thinner phones just

2:02:11so the battery is built in

2:02:13and it's just the way that it is and I think that I don't think apples doing it

2:02:19without some market research that they know that in the store people tend to

2:02:24buy the thinner phone

2:02:25yeah well I and i said this before but i would the back before the what before

2:02:33the six i guess one of the things that the only other thing that I was ever

2:02:37really envious about certain android phones without them they were but I that

2:02:44said I i'm using an iphone SE now and I'm glad to have it be the battery lasts

2:02:50a little longer

2:02:51it does if I'm most legal but I'm mostly glad that it's a smaller phone i mean

2:02:55i'm mostly it for me it's all about getting back to a smaller size you want

2:03:00to hear me just explain why it didn't buy insurance yeah i love the size of

2:03:05the hand i find i found those that with my particular vision problems right now

2:03:10it's it the size of text like and it's not even with the retina the record the

2:03:16bad either

2:03:17my bad left eye with the that had the retinal damage and and just even leaving

2:03:21aside even my my right eye which is perfectly healthy when I'm wearing my

2:03:27contact lenses I really have trouble focusing at anything less than an arm's

2:03:31distance away unless you have really bright light and if I will wear glasses

2:03:37i can take off my glasses and I still because I'm so badly nearsighted I can

2:03:42see up close real real near so i could use the iPhone se but it it really helps

2:03:47me i love it i mean and i right about accessibility all the time but you know

2:03:51mine my vision problems are almost nothing I shouldn't even complain about

2:03:54them compared to people who are like actually blind

2:03:57I mean yeah I know five friends who have truly truly terrible vision you know and

2:04:01and turn on the ridiculously large accessibility sizes for texts in iOS and

2:04:07that did you know I have my but the the way that you can resize text in iOS I

2:04:11have it like two clicks up and it really makes a difference when I'm wearing my

2:04:14contact lenses I really appreciate it

2:04:17it's I can read so much easier in darker situations that I could otherwise

2:04:23and on the i found that on the iphone SE if I made text big enough for me to see

2:04:27with my contacts and it's it's just a little too cramped like so if if i had

2:04:33the same vision I had even just five years ago really i mean i've really it's

2:04:38just I've just hit the point where the presbyopia you know that you probably

2:04:42know but the president will be is where when you get older when you start

2:04:45kneading reading glasses and you have ya difficulty focusing at closer distances

2:04:50it's really hit me in the last five years if i had the vision I had five

2:04:52years ago I'd have the iphone SE without question

2:04:55it's really to me it's an accessibility thing with the text and combine that

2:04:58with the fact that i know i'm probably gonna buy an iphone whatever they call

2:05:02it this sep tember why buy an iphone SE just to use for five months

2:05:07yeah well I'm into it now so and Karen an anchor both on the that plan the

2:05:15Apple plan so they're the ones are going to get the new phone the mall and if not

2:05:18i buy me otherwise if it wasn't for my eyes bottom line i would love to se I

2:05:23really would

2:05:24yeah probably good that we brought that up because i know i think my review is

2:05:28such a rave about it that kind of left it up in the air and like it WC a couple

2:05:32people saw me using my iphone success and were surprised that i didn't have an

2:05:35SE mhm yeah but I understand I understand that my mom my mom has a she

2:05:40had a sheet of 3gs for years and then finally got I think she got this cash

2:05:48that you get the success of the six think you got the six when it came out

2:05:51and and she doesn't have any battery problem with it because every time she's

2:05:56done with it she shuts it down