00:00:00 ◼ ► nilay patel welcome to the talk show it's been no I should have had you on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/0">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► before I don't even understand how you haven't been on before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► yeah it's been a long time coming man I should have had you would actually have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/8">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► your chest this is this is long overdue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/10">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► I'm gonna be on the show and then you are you're like all over the box family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/12">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► you were on . off to show you tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/15">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► yeah and then a couple weeks we'll have you on the verge cast and then a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/18">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► weeks we'll have you told host control-alt-delete with wall that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/21">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► actually a great that would actually be pretty fun to see the show among with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/24">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► Kafka is out i haven't seen it and heard it there's a fun i did was not aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/29">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► that there would be photographs you haven't my wife screams downstairs like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/34">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► what is this photo of you it is very unflattering photo of me looking somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/42">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► i have a I I'm not self-conscious I don't care she's like oh my god of if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/45">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► there was a terrible photo of me on the internet I would kill myself and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/50">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► yeah I was not aware that there would be photos and if i was rude the Kafka's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/54">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► show we recorded together at a little he's got a cool little studio in like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/60">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► comedy club in New York but it was like ninety-eight percent humidity in New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/65">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► York and I just taken the subway up so i didn't have my shirt . so i came out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/69">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► yeah i mean it was a good show though it's a really good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/78">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► the recode style is to is to put people in uncomfortable situations then get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/82">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► truth out of them so well the his studio wasn't uncomfortable it's just that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/86">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► was not aware that i would did not prepare myself for a photo session but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/91">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► anyway there are no photos on the time you get to get the red Rico chairs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/96">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► only in character only on camera show this was it's a very utilitarian little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/99">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► studio it's actually you know our box media cuadra code last year it's been so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/103">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► much fun having that team around the verge like we don't do a lot together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/110">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► but our sights on our staffs have always been very simpatico and it has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/114">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► their incredible it's just super fun to watch them work well we can do my eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/118">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► would roll right into it then because i was going to talk about the matter stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/123">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► about the business in my opinion and I'm not just saying this because you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/126">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► guest on my show I honestly think both recode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/129">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► the verge have gotten better in the last year and it's very noticeable to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/133">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► and with the verge the little more subtle but with recode to me it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/137">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► it very noticeable that like recode can now focus on what Rico does best and let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/141">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► other stuff you know let you guys let the verge do other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/148">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► yeah i mean it i mean i always think because it's been great and it has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/153">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► really fun for us to get Walt and Lauren on our team is product viewers and bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/157">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► all of that experience I can't I i can't speak highly enough about working with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/163">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► wall it is maybe the best thing that has happened to me in my career to have him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/168">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► Kevin he's incredible idea its I think this is true even offer a long time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/172">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► we should say John and I have known each other like talked for quite awhile i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/178">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► think people think of us is like Missy rifles but we're not like we just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/182">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► different perspectives and it's fun to fight on Twitter so we do that I'm but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/186">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► while i think most people know Walt is the guy who writes the column and very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/190">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► few people know Walt is the actually incredible talent and personality that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/194">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► he had it's a huge personality I and he's got a lot of ideas about how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/199">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► that mean he he started his column he was the first one ever to start a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/203">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► personal technology column and he and Karis started that conference business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/207">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► when no one else is doing that now everybody does it and they started all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/212">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► things D is a start-up within the journal and then once we could like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/215">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► that's a long history of doing entrepreneur things in the media and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/218">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► I'm trying to do that and its difficulties and him started that colony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/222">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► the fact it's not just that he started the columns that he started it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/226">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► yeah and and with that particular audience and I they're just had to be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/230">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► much like you've got to be kidding me learn you know why new world we run this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/234">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► personal technology column in The Wall Street Journal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/237">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► yeah and it ended up being you know that's a huge hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/240">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► I mean it's it defines the form i think i think all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/244">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► I'm you me everybody we're all just riffing on what started back i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/248">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► literally the first line that he ever in the columns like technology is too hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/252">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► triple it's like we've just been building on that ever since in one way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/257">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► or another right gets hard we've got X understand and explain and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/261">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► writing from the customers the real persons perspective not the enthusiasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/264">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► perspective right and there anything there in that is was a big focus and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/270">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► know you're talking about rico and the virgin together and sort of growing its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/275">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► there's like three perspectives in there that I think are really interesting one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/279">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► you know I think the big difference between the Virgin recode and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/284">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► really big difference and we talked about it a lot is recode is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/287">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► interested in the effects on culture and entertainment all that stuff but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/292">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► are really bad technology in business right they they are deep into executive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/296">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► movements their deep into yahoo board struggles that deep into i think peter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/302">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► kafka is the best media reporter in the industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/306">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► I'm not even sure to compare them to I i would daddy wouldn't let me get to a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/309">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► sivanna show but no but seriously I is incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/312">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► I don't know who want to even say would you know who would even argue if i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/316">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► going to take a devil at devil's advocate advocate standpoint as who else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/321">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► maybe bit the best media reporter I don't even know who else I would throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/324">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► really it's it's it's it's a it's a one-man show and obviously cares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/329">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► exemplary and a staff of I think mark bergen for example is when the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/333">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► google reporters industry and iconic goes I'm so it's interesting you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/336">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► could came on in the verge we kind of realized I kind of realize what we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/342">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► there's no point try to compete with some of the best business coverage in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/347">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► history like we're kind of not going to do that we're going to be what we r [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/350">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► which is a really big mainstream culture brand and our the way that we see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/353">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► culture is through technology we are deep nerds like i'm a huge nerd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/360">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► actually I've never told you this story John but right now and it's I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/365">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► a good setup for maybe the conversation later but Apple I got my entire start is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/370">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► a nerd and as somebody who cares about technology by basically showing up every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/375">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► day at the local apple reseller and racine wisconsin when I was middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/380">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► school until they gave me a job and my job was to like a reformat people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/383">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► computers with floppies in the basement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/387">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► and in like you know like this thing about ports that you know we United are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/389">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► I just knew when the port's came went because I like had basically fixed every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/395">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► model of Macintosh four years in like I think that's us like we're diverges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/400">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► really nerdy but carefully deeply about the culture and I want to virtually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/405">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► big brand like a really big everybody should be able to read it and understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/410">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► it and connect to it in some way and I think recode is really focused on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/415">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► business of how this all works and I you know I went to a conference and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/419">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► sitting with wall action afterwards I was like what is amazing to me is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/422">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► amount of power here and how interested Rico isn't interrogating the power I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/426">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► think that's fascinating i love reading record i love i think that great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/431">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► reporters in a great work there i'm less sort of interested in the mechanics of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/434">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► power i'm more interested in when you buy the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/438">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► how does it affect you when we make things and these tools have radically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/441">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► expanded the ability of people to make things the number of people who make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/446">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► things how does that affect how we make it how does it affect creativity how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/451">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► does it affect how we distribute it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/454">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► how do we talked and I think that stuff is that's the verge stuff and so there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/456">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► is no I think focus makes things better and I i wouldn't say it's been a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/460">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► it's not like explicit like I commanded we're going to go this way that never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/465">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► happened but i think the two teams like each other and work well together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/469">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► we've allowed each other to grow and focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/473">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► yeah that's and it definitely in my opinion as an outsider definitely shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/475">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► and I if anything and it's one way that I can sort of measure it because on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/478">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► daily basis i just linked to what I think is worth the attention or or that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/484">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► I have something to comment on if you know it's either either something that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/491">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► think wow this is big enough that everybody comes my said I want to see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/494">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► or maybe that's not quite it maybe it's a little bit more i just want to throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/497">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► in my two cents on this right and that's really the only things i think about on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/501">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► a daily basis but in the aggregate I can look back and stand just search and see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/505">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► who I link to and my links to the verge and recode are both up over the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/509">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► let's switch it doesn't like great stats like you know it's like that's way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/514">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► better than comscore whatever garbage and like throw that out and start paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/517">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► great and it's interesting to me you know that our racket is in such flux and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/522">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► it's probably i don't know that it's never going to settle down again I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/529">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► that's sort of the way of the with media being on the internet instead of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/533">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► I i just think its inherent that there will be more people will move around two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/541">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► jobs more often and publications will you know merchant and change and fold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/544">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► more frequently than they did in the old days but it's interesting to me to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/550">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► an awful lot of the people who i like best have coalesced onto the recoding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/555">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► verge staff like the bigger the best example I can think of is is my palate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/559">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► dan dan frommer has been on this show many times now's editor it at ricoh it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/563">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► just interesting to me that of all the different places at that somebody like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/568">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► dan could wind up it's you know no surprise to me that these waves at recog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/571">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► yeah i think that the company's called boxer reason right the it i like working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/576">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► here i'm obviously I've worked here for a long walk along and making air quotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/580">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► a long time is five years and forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/585">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► it's literally the whole history the company wasn't called box for sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/588">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► but it's a is called foster reason and i think from the top down there is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/591">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► enormous emphasis placed on the value of creativity in the value of journalism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/597">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► and it's not it's it's to me it i think the three big companies that are worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/601">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► watching in this space it's like 3.5 right there's BuzzFeed obviously that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/607">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► their monster I think vice is super interesting and you know in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/611">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► tone and what they capture about the zeitgeist and us i hope and i think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/615">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► know the New York Times Washington Post their kind of . 5 because they are these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/621">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► traditional companies that are doing a really good job of turning into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/624">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► yeah and the three new media companies i i i can tell you confident it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/628">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► BuzzFeed advice and then I hope Fox is always in a conversation and they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/632">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► represent I think three different tax at it and I think the one that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/636">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► noticing that us is we let people run really fast but we kind of demand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/642">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► everybody not be beholden to what worked yesterday and I so if you're a creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/647">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► person I think that's a good pitch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/652">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► I completely agree so keep it up after work and I think I gotta say it's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/654">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► because you mention this time flux daring fireball the last site that I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/660">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► I can't think of another website that i type in your desktop browser everyday is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/668">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► a matter of course but not even like the verge I do it because I work here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/673">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► Puckett I you know our other I i generally consumed the verge about as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/676">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► much in my feeds as i do like by typing the website in daring fireball for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/682">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► better or worse like rarely shows up in my feeds but i religiously have it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/689">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► the desktop so you've got it you're good i mean are your stats showing the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/693">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► are coming at you from social the way everybody else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/697">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► I know right I the vast majority of my head to go right to the homepage still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/699">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► and so I actually worried about that because I worry that having a I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/709">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► can tell by looking at the site i mean the design of the site is about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/714">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► it the whole point of the simple simplicity and the top-down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/717">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► chronological order of daring fireball is my assumption is sure there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/721">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► of some people who are going to check multiple times a day god bless you i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/727">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► love you you're you know the best readers i have but there's other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/730">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► who you know like what I have to say but either aren't that obsessive about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/734">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► checking the web or they're more disciplined and don't dick around on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/739">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► web or maybe they're just really freaking busy and they don't have time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/743">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► and i love the idea that if somebody's really really busy but it's like the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/748">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► of the day and they're getting ready to go home and be with the family or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/753">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► whatever and they think well let me just go check daring fireball and see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/756">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► there's anything I should know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/759">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► that's sort of what I hope to be four people and but I worry though that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/761">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► that model because that basic idea of hey go to this site homepage sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/765">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► going away that it's a problematic for me i don't know i don't know a the verge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/769">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► has the biggest desktop homepage it inside a box media bye-bye huge factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/775">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► as far as near as i can tell you are traffic is massively increased over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/783">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► % like video views are Scott their up literally 25 hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/787">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► month-to-month this past but it's like bonkers stupid facebook inflated numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/791">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► but I below all of that is like this holding steady desktop audience and I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/796">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► think it's I think you and I are in a unique position against sort of the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/801">TS</a>]
00:13:26 ◼ ► of the mass media we have a lot of nerds at work hard work have a 24 inch monitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/806">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► sitting next to their other 24 inch monitor and basically four sites so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/810">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► Soviet yeah i think there's that audience is not going away and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/815">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► thing is that i had i do nothing on facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/819">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► literally I have no you know i don't i don't use it personally and I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/822">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► any daring fireball set up on facebook i have thought about that for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/826">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► and it's been I've you know been like thinking maybe I should maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/830">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► shouldn't yesterday's news made me think well you could kind of glad that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/835">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► didn't know but so and I'd and I get nothing from facebook i mean like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/839">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► looking at my refers right now and like I'd it's not even in the top 20 so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/845">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► there's not one thing from facebook but maybe they don't send a refer code i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/849">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► don't know maybe I should start making like like daring fireball food videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/853">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► and that should be your face fixed are you just making really nice bourbon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/857">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► cocktails like I would watch that would be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/861">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► yeah i yeah that would get old quick books on how to make like no I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/864">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► know how to make three cocktails so the canopy will be less we'd only knows how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/868">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► to make like four kinds of cookie man there's let's just get back to every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/871">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► time I yes I like we always play pretty the the twitter links that coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/874">TS</a>]
00:14:39 ◼ ► Tico that's a that's pretty big but it's nowhere near as big as the homepage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/879">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► homepage yes let me see here about 20 times more popular than my most popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/884">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► yeah i mean in a good metric for us that we use and don't use is our home page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/894">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► when we look at our real-time stats generally it's is the most popular page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/899">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► on the site if a story beats the homepage were like that's what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/903">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► doing great you know like so I I don't think it's going away I did I just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/907">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► think desktop computers at work are going away i have this crazy sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/911">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► three drinks and I start babbling about this theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/916">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► where the nature of productivity at work has totally changed because of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/920">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► Internet where you know the typical news consumer 25 years ago would read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/924">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► presumably do work at work come home watch the evening news that go to bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/932">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► and start over and now it's like you wake up in the morning you read news you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/936">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► go to work you read even more news everyone's traffic is up and go home and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/939">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► you consume like Netflix and like when do people do work has become like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/943">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► open question to me because everyone's just reading news like all day long in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/947">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► the internet I don't think that audience i think it might get mediated through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/951">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► different platforms I think obviously the bigger audiences honorable but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/955">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► fundamentally I think people are going to look at big screens at work a lot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/959">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► often what they're gonna look at on this big screens as news so my level of panic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/964">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► about Facebook algorithm changes like basically zero because the Verge's big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/968">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► enough and honestly has like a large enough referral base a google search is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/972">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► still a massive referral base into the verge like get out i'm not worried about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/977">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► a little i'll go change here in there as long as we just any aggregate keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/981">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► yeah i think you know it's I think the best thing and the best long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/986">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► strategy is just common sense is to build a brand where people you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/993">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► remember the source whether it's a byline which is a little bit more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► me as a one-man show just all I know the verge I definitely want to read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► Virgin's take on the new this new iPad it's not just that I want to read on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► oh I want definitely see the Virgin's version if you don't have that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► where you're you're justyou're I think you're screwed eventually because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► something is going to change if you're just chasing the social traffic for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► sake of social traffic without any real brand you know if people don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► then you're screwed say we actually made you know we've always had this big video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► program but we made a huge investment in photography and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► and i'm going to say design even though i think people always had a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► investment design but photography and story design and have become a bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► investment for us this year because we realized what are the places inside of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► story that's traveling and getting disaggregated everywhere that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► touch it's like yep bylines style obviously content our video you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► we've got to level up we've been pretty good at it but when we get better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► then photos travel best of all actually you can look at it like oh that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► average photo so we made a big investment there this year it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► going pretty well i am i'm fairly pleased with sort of the the notch up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► we've taken and it's funny because it's all the stuff is like a huge computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► that i love it's like now we've got really expensive cameras and wacom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► tablets and huge monitors with hoods and I'm like yes this is exactly what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► thought working in the media with people and it's just a good time let me take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► break and thank for sponsor the show great sponsor this is the second time i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► sponsored i love this company its 0 de ro now despite its importance i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► just daresay ubiquitous this Wi-Fi is broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► imagine if electricity in your house didn't reach certain parts like if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► was a corner of your bedroom or you just couldn't get electricity or it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► spotty and other sometimes it works sometimes it didn't would be ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:41 ◼ ► nobody would put up with that but that's the status quo for Wi-Fi with dead zones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1121">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► and buffering and rooms they get a good signal and rooms that don't write in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► ero was designed to change all of this the company manufactures a single device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► it's a small elegant box about the size of an apple TV sort of looks like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► apple product you know round wrecks are a little want to call it a skwerkel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► super simple app you put the app on your phone and you just set it up through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► there and so you don't have to go through one of those janky web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► interfaces where you're typing anything you just get on the app and you set it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► up and you put a couple of these zeros throughout your home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► there isn't one of them has to be the one that is like the the the like main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► one where you plug your cable and but it's the same device so it doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► you don't have to keep track of which one's the special first one just put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► did all sorts of packs depends on the size of your house you go to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► website at zero dot com and they will tell you how many to buy but i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► default is a 3-pack you get three or four these things you put a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► them throughout your house and they just do all the magic behind the scenes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► just give a strong signal you don't have to do anything you don't have to act [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► like a network admin so super easy just go to erode com is Wi-Fi that works and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► use the code talk show and you will get free overnight shipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► I've got this set up in my house could not be easier I and my Wi-Fi is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► than ever and i get a better signal in my bedroom which never used to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► good signal and i get a signal and now I do get a signal in my garage which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► never did before which was always a huge pain in the ass when you get the car and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► try to as sink something or get something the phone my phone would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► always think that it was connected to the Wi-Fi but couldn't really get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► thanks 2020 calm and remember that code talk show and you'll get free overnight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► shipping first 40 from walt mossberg review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► yeah i think i'm reading a narrow ad on the verge chance later today it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► your moment I lives company I got it I got it I got I'd get it all set up in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► parents their house is too big for like normal like a big Wisconsin rambling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► house and I got it i'm going there in August a minute to set it up and get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► my parents had this thing happens to them where AT&T call them is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► you've got u verse and your son pays for your phones on any of the 80 count when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► you combine them will give you a free smart home my dad was like yeah that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► sounds great and now it's just like garbage smart-home stuff like I'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► terrified like it's gonna get hacked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► anytime I parents have to use more software i get like very afraid and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► evidence supports the work i got interested i just figured out i actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► took a guess it was the wrong guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► yeah code is not not actually talk show because the code is actually the talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► yeah with the dasha which is even better I hate to say it I might I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► about sponsors who just use the code talk show but I paid for the and I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► it when i use it and in fact the code 40 is the talk show and that's the code you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1313">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► need for free overnight shipping hopefully by I don't want to edit this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► don't add it Caleb just let this role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► this will make it stick in people's heads people will remember when they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► to erode the talk show because i had had to correct it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► I make their about podcast addresses people read them be four people listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► to them because I blow them so repeatedly and once plus this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► industry gets professionalize that it's all over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► yeah we're totally suck its right now I do think that people say that i often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► say like I I'll talk to people at the show might what about the ads you skip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► the ads because I I've often said that I beers my goal with the address my goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► with the address is to do whatever I can to make you not want to skip even if its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► sponsor you've heard before and I think you're right that half of the fun is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► this if you how I screw it up like I I blow them routinely and you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► the bigger advertisers are starting to poke around the edges of the industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► and like as the card companies and banks and whoever the hell shows up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► they're like we need to be more professional like people just gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► start skipping the ads it's graduate this is why you don't want metrics and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► I totally agree but I was just going to be a cock about that I don't think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► want metrics I know that people think they want them but I don't think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► I I I'm sure Peter had smarter stuff to me to say about my my read on it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► if they're big money is ever going to enter enter product ask the push for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► metrics is gonna it's gonna happen because everything i know about our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► advertising and I know very little about our advertising but suggests that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► big money is very interested in making sure it gets returned to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► yeah but i feel like i honestly believe that the the fact that you can measure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► more accurately and they do on most web at is actually detrimental to everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► people think that they want the stats and they think that they do but all it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► it's I could be careful what you measure type of situation because then you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► optimizing to what you're measuring it which isn't really the thing you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► like the most important thing that we do is we are the most important resource [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► the only two resources that are truly scarce in and are in this racket is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► attention and money dollars and everybody's of course everybody keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► track of the dollars nobody gets fooled and doesn't keep track of dollars on any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► and you know the advertisers know what they're spending they know what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► should be spending in and the people like us who run you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► podcasts and websites know how much we're making but I feel like attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► measuring attention is not it you can't do it through JavaScript and and hits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► and web server logs it's not that that's not actually accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► yeah well that there's like it depends on what you slice i think and again i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► sure we're just recapitulating conversation had somebody who is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► more about this man but and there's anything you can I don't think boxes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► banners the future of advertising and I don't think you can measure it like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► bought this many ads and I'm expecting this many more sales that will kill you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► I think I think people now know what the hell 0 is because they produce a it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► yeah that's really measurable in like a pretty specific way I'm but you gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► know like if you buy a hat on my cast and listen to podcast like you kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► didn't get that out of it i do agree though that it's you know so ero will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► know how well this does because people will use that code the talk show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► they will figure out at wow look at your hopefully wow look at how many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► but the kit from that code because they can track it right to the code so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► they do get that right and I guess that the problem is like with the big money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► is that when coke gets into podcast ads they're not going to have a code where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► she you know like oh when you go to the counter at your local bodega and get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► by a coke give them the code the talk shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► that's so they know that's why you're buying a coat it doesn't work for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► right and on the other hand people you know people want coke to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► advertising coca-cola company spends an awful lot of money on ADD and it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► be nice to some of it when the pocket so I do understand that there's a dilemma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► there where the sponsors who are into podcasting right now are these direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► sale companies that the codes work great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► they really do I mean they they know exactly how well they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► yeah but they but yeah I don't work for bigger brands though right and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► what's everybody make a podcast is maybe a worse use of time then write x more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► articles right and that it's hard it's hard for me because I don't I can't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► decisions about my budget because I don't know anything about the revenue so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► it's it's tough it's I think it's really interesting that it's I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► like five or six inflection points happening in technology right now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► basically make it seem like the industry is chaos which means it's the best time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► to write about technology it is the most fun because almost anything can happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► there's just no way to know except to write about it and figure it out and try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► to report on it and talk to more people on but it is absolutely chaos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► yeah but what do you think some of those inflection points are and so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► that sort of the settling of the phone industry has led to get out of chaos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► I think there's a lot of money floating around the world a lot of energy a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► of people who want to make stuff around technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► well the other lines i think before you move beyond the phone thing I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► it you have to and we knew this we could see where it was going and you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► that the the graphs but now that were there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► it's amazing is which is that everybody on the planet anywhere who has even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► vaguely enough money to possibly own a smartphone has one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► yeah and the number and and there's an economic angle i don't know if this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► where folks don't steal it but the fact that the that the graph of how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► people live in abject poverty anywhere in the world is it's very likely that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► you know 10 or 15 years which is amazing and that means everybody's got one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► yeah and the implication would you everybody knew that was going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► amazing but it's like it you just couldn't foresee all of the implications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► of it right i think so yet that's it's like it's like one be right it's like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► we've we landed on the two platforms and when I was saying a lot of people with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► money and energy they've realized that they can't compete or invest in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► platforms they're not they're not gonna win you can't windows phone is stalking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► blackberry r.i.p right so that money has to go somewhere else those companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► that their investment if the company's die the people who work that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► to go somewhere else and so all of that energy is going in a thousand different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► directions so that just chaos fun chaos but cast in less then I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► the next layer which is ok everybody has these things what are we going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► I think the first wave of that was the app store and you saw just a ton of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► energy and effort and interest in that I think apples made a bunch of moves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► around subscriptions I think that's a response to kind of the great settling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► of the app store right we put a bunch of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► ping-pong ball around it leveled off we now know that the average number of apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► people download in a month is 0 and it's a lucky you had searches hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► discoveries hard getting people to pay more than a dollar is hard to facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► instagram twitter a handful games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► those are apps yeah right that's cool and that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► so there's that chaos is still a little there and I think there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► interest on subscriptions right now it's like moving to the next big I we there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► was so much discussion with everybody in my circle at WWDC this year about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► app store just because there was the news that came out the week before and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► you know it's like how does the cell but the one thing that every every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► discussion eventually settled upon every single time all week long was eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► sort of a a deep sigh and can you believe would you have ever believed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► like in 2008 2009 2010 the gold rush years of the app store would you ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► believe that when the dust settled that the top-earning charge would every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► single one of them with some kind of scam me game where they're trying to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► people to buy that gold every single hundred yeah just an in-app but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► some kind of game that's like design like a slot machine to keep you pumping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► money into it and what it I have all these books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► yeah it's all these hilarious free pop business books and I had like three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► four then like game fire business game fire app the gamification is a future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► it's like well yeah of course the fucking games one looks like we tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► game if I facebook to make it stickier but actually the game is just a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► I it's I don't think that's surprising I i think that business model emerges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► yeah there's constraint on the app store and how do you perfectly optimized to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► well you just say yeah whatever application have thirty percent but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► we're just gonna invent a machine that pulls money oh yeah i'm in it we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► not necessarily even deliver value behind like the dopamine rush of 20 more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► well I think and I think that those companies in particular uh I'm sure they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► would if Apple just said next year across-the-board we're just changing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► I'm sure they wouldn't refuse the extra money but i feel like the in-app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► purchase companies that you know the the game companies there that they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► fine with the 7030 split because the apples you know literally made this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► machine that lets them just pull money out of people's pockets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► I don't think I I don't even think about two-thirty personally I don't think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► aight they they're selling a product at zero cost it costs nothing to make and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► nothing to distribute and all right just machine anyway so I look I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► one that's like there was the big leveling of the platform war there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► big leveling of the app market that it's like settled and then you just look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► what is we are gonna happen is AR the thing is how on earth are we going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► distribute the media at all right like if we can't if people are moving to apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► not browsers what are the apps are going to use but we can't get a nap in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► store because that's really hard and no publisher app outside of maybe a handful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► of new york times app some really taken off and even then they haven't not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► there's not as there's not a great feed reader on the phone okay we gotta deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► all they want is video oh my god YouTube is the second biggest search engine in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► the world and no never thinks about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► those are all those are all agents of chaos right there their forces to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► just a lot of innovation because people are trying to figure out like can I win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► this game can win all the games i think that's fascinating I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► fundamentally a technology story right it's its people understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► constraints of platforms where the platform's iOS sports the app store or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► it's you know whatever happens inside Facebook's algorithm or whatever happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► I that there's a remarkable amount of innovation investment there but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► no answers at all like it is a complete moment of change and i think that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► really interesting like I think it is often confusing for people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► investing in that confusion tends to leak out into the public consciousness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► but I don't think it's all that confusing for people who have phones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► are constantly being served kind of like everyone's best effort to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► what the future is it's got to be on your list i mean but that in talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► about inflection points is transportation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► oh yeah and so many different ways it's just astounding it's the the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► ride services like uber and lyft which themselves are completely piggyback on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► the ubiquity of smartphones right there is no Hooper without iPhones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► androids that are always on the internet and can tap a button right it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► exist there's no way that that happens before 2008 it it it wouldn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► how did you call the central dispatcher it's funny not eating with their work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► our services before they just weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► they provide you with a lot of information right and you didn't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► them as frequently and or at least normal people didn't use them as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► frequently as it was the most decadent thing in the world right and what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► funny is like you were has an Alexis skill in I i calling over and couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► times a week but just like yelling at the echo and I'm like what am I am like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► back to square one in Brooklyn not gonna just called a car service just now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► a robot and it's literally the same interaction right calls i talked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► something one of the funniest times you and I ever got together was we we hung [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► out after we got our Apple watch review units [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► yeah there were briefings in New York and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► it's like we kind of bumped into each other i forget if i went first you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► first I think I when I was ahead of you and I just said I'm gonna go across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► street and get a cup of coffee if you want to meet will meet and it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► like we tried to use the watch to help her remember the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► yeah let me just watch the spinner yeah and then I was like now showing up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► blocks away like it spun for a minute and like cancelled out three times and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► then got the location wrong by like four blocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► I mean that first day with the watch was among the most i don't you felt this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2156">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► felt this because it Jonna actually topic we texted quite a bit because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► we're the only people we knew what the Watchers and even joanna stern yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► and so the computer for all of us are best friends super best friends for help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► extending heartbeats to eat it was like that i kept forgetting our parties from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► like Apple PR people and I was like I know your hearts racing selectivity a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► minute I'm but I just remember that moment I don't this is true for you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► was to me one of those inflection point moments and it kind of a different way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► here's Apple they have been under all this pressure to put out their next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► here's this product and I was terrified that i would get it wrong and be the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► who called the ipad nonsense or be them / . and call the ipod you know was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► I'm and I just remember that whole . i was like i think this thing is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► SE and it's just really interesting now with watch 30 if you use a bunch i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► i've been playing with here and there like it's they just they just fixed all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► yep right and it's like they made it fast like that's the thing that should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► yeah I don't I talked about on my show last week with Marco Arment but i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► had so I think it's worth repeating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► I really think that they they released it too early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:23 ◼ ► yeah as a product and I see why and I think it's exactly what you just said is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2243">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► that the the pressure from the outside to give us you know show us that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► still do something new without steve jobs there was so overwhelming that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► think it caused them to make like a unforced error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► yeah and who knows maybe it was the right thing to do it's sort of on Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► like to release something early you know to you know released early and often is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► the the sort of open source mantra and apple is sort of the note we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► make you wait we're going to make you wait we're going to release later than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► everybody else but it's going to be the best sort of company and that's and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► think with the watch they went released early and maybe it was the right way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► go because maybe you know there's ICL awful lot of Apple watches these days i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► was at I get told you i was in new york last week I spent I saw him all over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► place on the streets of New York it's it's a really popular device so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► they were right to release it when they did but boy I'll tell you the the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► is three is it's like oh this is it and yeah i feel like i got it wrong i feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► like this probably my biggest regret in recent years is that my room initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► reviews plural because I weren't it died i think i was a little too i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► confused i was confused by the watch which I think when I reread my Apple my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► early Applewhite reviews from last year i think that the confusion shows it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► wasn't that I praised it too much I don't feel like I missed the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► like apps are too slow and stuff like that but i just i was confused and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► yeah i mean the only you know we we did this huge thing like eat I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► everyone about this a few months ago and I time is a time is blurry for me but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► was like it slow night tonight that's all you have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► yeah and it's like it get nails it right let that they've tried to make it faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► presented this many hardware and get faster and i think that what i noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► that WC this year was that there is an intentionality to apple that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► I've been missing recently right everything they did at wec felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► okay we like shotgun down a million ideas was very unhappily like there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► lot of confusion out there but now we're like we're focusing like here's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► we're doing to Mac here's what we're doing at the TV here is already going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► watch you like just down the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► here's a bunch of very intentional decisions about our products i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► it's going to bode well for them but i do think the other my mom I think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► absolutely right about transportation by the way I'm is a huge inflection point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► the other one I was going to mention was sort of that the unbundling of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► is an idea from the consumer consciousness that instead of getting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► nap or getting a package of software or you know 50 floppy disk from Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► Word or whatever used to now software just constantly around you and updating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► in all kinds of ways that is a huge inflection point the idea that you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► sell something to someone that you're going to sell this like ongoing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:37 ◼ ► experience or people just make expectations of things will silently get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► better around them that's going to lead to a lot of chaos as well because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► can that gives you license to put out bad products and say it's the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► version will get better i think we see that constantly I'm and it creates this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► enormous consumer perception that you're going to get better stuff for free all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► the time and I think those are how how the world shakes out in there is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► to be very complicated for people trying to get money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► I think I'm balance it's good for the consumer but you know it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► ridiculous to me that you have a tivo i think i have a tivo it's ridiculous to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► my tivo doesn't get a software update like everyday right because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► constantly connected and that's sort of my experts my xbox is updating every 90 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► i'm at i think that's just that's a big moment for Apple to figure out how to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► a part of that instead of saying okay the platform changed the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► I'm we were at the code conference we're talking some people from google and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► they're like you know we schedule google i/o and it always feels like chaos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► because it doesn't align with any other product cycles and we don't care we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► let people shop it's like show-and-tell like what's this team working on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► record about this far it'll be out next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► like that's how Google thinks about their software I i think apple has sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► of gotten to that too I feel like one of the things as is as this year's WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► sort of cements and and in my mind is that to me they they have these four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► platforms and they know exactly what they are and you know you know there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► watch in particular the you know in addition to the fact that they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► have fixed the while everything is slow like stuff is not slow anymore date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► they've got they themselves have a much better idea of what the hell people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► where Apple watches were like and the increased focus on fitness is a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► part of that I mean that wasn't really even mentioned in the original you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► I mean it was there that was sort of a little bit more but it's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► more like health than fitness and now it's like the default watch face shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► you that circles the the filling that but they realize that's what people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► doing so that they're much more the watch does less its there's far less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► going on the watch and its way way more way easier to understand and they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► what people are doing with it and I feel like with the mac to I feel like I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2575">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► like the whole making the mac a little bit more like iOS like they're done with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► that like they've they've done the nips and tucks where they thought hey some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► these ideas from iOS would make sense on the mac but at this point it's like now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► let's just let the MACD the Mac what's up with the max you think rightly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► so many Mac lines are just kind of their long in the tooth in various ways and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► you know I'm desperately waiting for new macbook pro just desperately waiting our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► video editors and unicom trash cans the Mac the Mac Pro's they're like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► there but there are video there's some of them have started using the vr gaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► pcs because their way faster than that pro and obviously because our newer but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► like where's that next great Mac hardware security hold that thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► let me do a sponsor read and write that you know i love because I love to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2632">TS</a>]
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00:44:07 ◼ ► this is the three-year anniversary of Harry's I think they've been sponsoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► podcast ever since they started they've got a special deal you can try three of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2652">TS</a>]
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00:44:22 ◼ ► each one has five blades you get three of them and you get a nice classy handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2662">TS</a>]
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00:44:30 ◼ ► the only saving company that can offer you something like that amazing quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► low prices modern convenience they own their own factory i always mention this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► because it to me this is just amazing is that they started sourcing the blades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► from Germany and they liked them so much that there's something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► hundred-year-old blade factory in Germany and they just bought the factory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► so that's what they do and this is how they work this is the amazing thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► they make their own blades they package them up in the nicest packaging I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► ever seen I've said this before 2i will say it again I the only thing i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► like about Harry's is that the packaging is so nice that I often i feel bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► throwing it out like when i use up that you know I empty the last blade out of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► pack the box is so nice it just the way it closes the way it looks at everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► about it it feels like I'm throwing away something I'm supposed to keep but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► mean what you going to do with an empty box of blades so why pay 30 years I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► to go to a big you know try to get to let you going to pay 30 32 bucks for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► eight-pack you get for half that price at Harry's for just 15 bucks you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► razor shaving cream three blade cartridges but if you use this code talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► show they don't have the they just have talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► Harry's just talk show but you use that code you'll save five bucks so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► makes the 15-dollar kit which is an amazing deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► just ten bucks it's almost like getting it free so go to Harry's com har r ys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► dot-com remember the code talk show without the just talk show and you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► I'm where were with her the mac whether the Mac I i talked about this last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► too but my biggest regret on my live show with with Phil Schiller and Craig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► federighi the one question I had on my list and just didn't get to was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► professional people are very concerned because it really looks at the evidence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► you know shows it really looks like Apple is so focused on consumer products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► iphones and ipads primarily that the focus on professional products like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► mac pro and the macbook pros has dropped and even on the mac the Machine nights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► been updated the most regularly is the macbook one port thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► yeah that which is not you know not a pro device so you know I wish I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► have asked didn't get to me every try to use a right now macbook for any period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► of time now I used one for a couple of days this past week now I because I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► never really had access to another than to just kick the tires and a store or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► something like that yes a dieter bohn the executive urge likes that's his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► computer swears by getting back didn't use publish the photo from the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► note because to use it to do the live blogging from the keynote he had to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► like a like a dongle on the side that gives you know it it's like it plugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► into the the one USBC port and then gives him like a couple of USB ports and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► then it and there's like millions of things but in the yeah because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► no there's no great USBC hub this is true I very at like 90 of them they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► really hot like crazy that it's just you know get better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► it'sit's just take a minute right like it's there on the second generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► I i have to do is to go USB CD USB and then use another hub i have a 13-inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2873">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► I think coming up on two years old and it is just absolutely nothing wrong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► it and so I you know and i tend to use my max for incredibly long periods of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► time I don't because it just it even today and with dropbox and a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► other things that make transitioning to a new mac easier than ever before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► it still isn't easy like just upgrading to a new phone and I've got a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► little fiddly stuff on my system like custom perl scripts that reformat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► markdown and they require libraries from Sipan Sipan is like that the central or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► you know open-source archive of pearl libraries so every time I get a new mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► I've got to install a bunch of little fiddly command-line things like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► I never remember them all and I somewhere I've got like a note you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► that says here he's like the 20 steps to get you set up on that so I don't like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► just don't want to do it and that i am at the point I've been there for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► we're with what i do it faster Mac doesn't really make a difference like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► ever since I've gone to solid state drives yeah ever since I've gone there i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► I've never thought anything was slow in my back so I just don't upgrade so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► feel like it'll be a couple of years before i get a new laptop at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► another two years I bet unless something some disaster happens to my macbook pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► I'll and when that happens i expect that I will buy the macbook one port because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► I don't plug anything into mind my macbook so it's interesting because I is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► in a year like you know that the classic Mac advice was always by like as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► yes I just always by the top and one yep I'm but you know my wife had like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► macbook air and it was just this endless interminable wait for them to put out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► new computer that was meaningfully better than hers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► yep is you there faster but like and there's a Retina screen around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► corner so I bought her I was going to buy are the 2 2015 1 port macbook but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► that thing wasn't actually faster than her computer and our computers dog so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► was just like this move to consumer machines this focus the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► less powerful processors it kinda doesn't matter if you're always buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► the most expensive fastest one but if you're in that consumers own you end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► in this black hole sometimes of its you can just buy the same computer with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► slightly faster chip or you can just wait it out and so there's the big jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► and but I'm with you on solid state drives I've my imac at home is like 2011 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► and I put a huge SSD in it and like this is great haha but you gotta guess you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► gotta get the one with the retina screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► yeah that's right that's what I'm waiting right now even at this point you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► might as well wait till they do a new one got away in it then it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► whole big thing in that one my imac in particular that is like now five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► of random fiddly shit right now if there's like a plex library that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► breathe on it everything breaks like it's like crazy and but I my bigger I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3055">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► think this thing you're saying my bigger concern is these pro machine yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► because if the in NVR is a big inflection point I think something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► something we're i think that the mac pro in the macbook pro probably two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► different discussions there's a visit my what I think it is a mystery to me and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► think that the reason I think the problem with the mac pro is that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► Apple truly just isn't as interested in that market and even though they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► probably themselves are probably one of the biggest users of them you know I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► been extended engineers at Apple who use mac pros but as a business it's just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► meaningful whereas the macbook pro is actually big business it it you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► it's probably the most profitable mac that they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► I i would think just you know in terms of not like on one unit being most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► problems it's a multiply as many as they sell by how much profit they make its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► super popular it may not be as may not sell in the great great numbers as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► lower-priced macbook airs in the macbook one but because it's so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► expensive and lots of people buy them so i can't think that they're disinterested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► so my guess is that there's something going on like where the new ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► are coming out that they're just not ready even though they were supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► be because I really thought a couple months ago it seemed like steam was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► really building up that they were probably going to announce them at WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► it came and went in and they didn't and I can't help but think that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► coming soon though the Macanudo on the other hand it's just baffling to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► 900 days it's like 920 days at this point without an update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► yeah it's crazy and they put out with such fanfare right we can innovate where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► was a candidate my ass candidate my ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► I it's just that there's a lot of like I had this like visual metaphor the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► tech industry it's like a like a long balloon and you squeeze it all the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► goes somewhere else there's a lot of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► it's to sit through this i don't think about it like i'm a lot of the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► that was like focused on let's make apps for phones or let's do anything fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► platformer make actually making you found another disaster business idea i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► a lot of that money is going towards using the screens and processors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► chips and stuff in going to the are in like building the our experiences in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► it this moment it's just weird and you know obviously Apple entered classically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► enters the market down the line but because the mac pro isn't able to do any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► it's not even in the conversation there's nothing about the our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► conversation that even tangentially related sample as far as i can tell and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► that's really it just really interesting to me because I think a lot of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► people prefer to use mac they just don't yeah I'm I my hope is that it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► like a a bunch of constraints that all have to be lined up and somewhat some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► them are are holding back and with the mac pro my hope is that it's that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► want to put out of retina 5k cinema display they want a new mac pro that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► drive it right and some maybe the displays not ready yet and therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► they don't want to don't want to release the mac pro without the display to drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► it or maybe its vice versa where they can't release the display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► yeah before the mac pro is ready and maybe the macbook pros it's the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► where they want to beat you you can you know doc your macbook pro and had have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► it connect to this beautiful standalone retina cinema display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► that's my hope is that they're just trying to get all of that stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► they're all going to come out at the same time you're i didn't think i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► say that is the most optimistic thing i've ever heard from you and it's is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► very idea that apple's tied its entire product line she wanting to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► standalone display is kind of incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► well but it's weird it's like five of those things here now I think when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► were new when like that the i think i think they used to sell a lot of them I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:03 ◼ ► think I i used to see a lot and I you know I don't know what did people do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3303">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► over to people just bring you guys give them laptops there's everybody just by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► no I mean we were no longer startup people people get computers so most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► people get and in air you can request something else for the editors have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:23 ◼ ► 15 inch pros and an imac and I think it's wild that we get people imax and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► not mac pros and imacs better like I'm actually sitting in the Box studios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► right now in its Rosa video editors with imax right so one thing but a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► people who have a macbook and they take it with them when they sit at their desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► it would be nice to dock it too despite and we give them we think we give Him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► well i think a lot of you know I think Apple has in the past sold a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► those at this point in recent years it doesn't make any sense because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► still have the thousand-dollar price point and it was by no means a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► I mean it's just ridiculous if they come out with a really nice retina 5k one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► then and it still has that thousand dollar price . then all of a sudden it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► super compelling yeah i have seen like happy cog is a web design studio here in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► Philadelphia and I've always had a couple friends there and they when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► set up a new office couple years ago and I can i stop by what they did is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► everybody who works there got a macbook of whatever you know their choice that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► they could take with them home and you know to client meetings whatever and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► their desk there everybody had a apple cinema display in front of it when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► just dock and get power and have a nice big despite so I anybody that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► interested in our products folks that's basically how we don't work too but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► just think it's it's crazy that they haven't updated the macro for 900 days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► because the 5k display huge well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► that is it doesn't really justify why there haven't been any interim updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► in between it's like but at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► nobody's looking for like oh well we just put the latest and greatest from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3416">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► Intel in there at this point the new map you know whatever comes out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► macbook it might have the same hardware my our external look but it's got to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► a really big upgrade at this point I think well if you think that so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► like interesting and kind of leads in both directions like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► consumer-focused like they're bringing consumer the things you traditionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► the way it works we get this thought correctly traditionally the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► worked was that all the innovation happened in the enterprise and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► trickle down to consumer stuff and apple's big revolution was they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► like what if we cared about people first instead of what your IT guy needs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► not i think we agree that has been wildly successful in revolutionary many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► ways but it's what's interesting to me is it's really much harder to apply the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► lessons from consumer technology back to what the professionals need in a variety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► of ways and like I don't need the mac pro to be beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► I think you're right the macbook pro is a different story i canti the mac pro to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► look like the quadrant hundred and have like 60 slots you know I can just be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► I'm that you know like have processor daughter like there's a there's a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► in which that thing is still really valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► yeah and people who are working on video for just name one field and any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► developers are another like there are you know there's all sorts of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► that when you you know and people who are working on swift in particular just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► because the nature of Swift right now is that you when you have to do a new build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► everything has to get built and you're waiting you said anytime you know those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► are people who are still waiting on their computers to do stuff like hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► the videos done being added now we just have to spit out the final version will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► guess what you're sitting there waiting and you need as much speed as you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► Dave I don't think they really care too much about the beautiful Darth Vader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► helmet its style of the thing like they would just take anything anything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► yeah give it to me bring back the xserve that's it that's my new petition apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► and that's funny we know we've done a handful of 360 videos now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► and when we are rendering and interviewed Michelle Obama and we like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► shot in 360 and we are it's actually not that colleges that premier plug-in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► just like works then you gotta render it and we were I mean we just brought every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► computer in this place every mac that we add to its knees and including are pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► and we were like yeah that we hit the wall like if you want to participate in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► this next wave of spherical video or 360 video review our video were there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► many arguments about the terms i think right but if you want to participate in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► that these machines almost none of them are really powerful enough to do it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► think that's that's when my chaos like that's another inflection point it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► gonna get a generation of video creators who were brought up on iMovie on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► plastic macbook pro macbooks they're gonna be like well maybe I'll get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► gaming pc with an oculus helmet and it's fast enough for me to cut a 360 video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► gaming pc with an oculus helmet and it's fast enough for me to cut a 360 video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► I don't know that's gonna happen but it's it's just another one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► moments when the mom there's a new kind of market over there and it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► develop on its own terms and I think again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► ok like the are could fail if you ask the people here who report on VR day in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► day out like this is a mass every day as a best of intentions in the sci-fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► future is real and it's funded go to the brand activation and ride the roller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► coaster but consumer the are could just flop and or could be the most successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► never happened I think that there's so much space in there for different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► different ways of things to work to happen that it's going to be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:36 ◼ ► confusing for a while but also incredibly fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3636">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► yeah so you're waiting on a macbook pro how old how old is the one you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► right now I 2012-2013 as pretty old so I guess it's coming i mean that one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► definitely coming to mac mac pro I don't know but the MacBook Pros have got to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► it's it's you know and again and is my tie into the next segment of the show my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► other theory i think it's wrong i would definitely bet against it but maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► possible is if the iphone is moving to lightning port headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► maybe they add a lightning port to max so that you can use the same headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► maybe aids funny i was i was my friend question differently what ports will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► they take away rights like it'd be crazy to start adding portraits right well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► yeah I take what you take away the headphone port you could make I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► know if you could do this on pro machine you could take away those standard USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► ports and put on USB seaports that's absolutely move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:38 ◼ ► i D is it time to take a thunderbolt because USBC can get it up on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3698">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► thunderbolt loss like yeah or isn't there like a there's like a thunderbolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► three that it like it's very confusing to me yeah there's a wonderful three of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► the same connector which is the same connectors us bc which sounded canyon us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► I'm telling you it's just fucking chaos everywhere you look it's great it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3715">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► super fun it's like but it's chaos it's the idea that I was and I we are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► to talk about from ports but it's not like i did this chart of ports and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► looking at the back of all these macs like confirm all these ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► and it's just hilarious that for the longest time we had motive in print and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► print reports but they were the same port have different labels on them like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► through time it's like what were we thinking why did we do that and now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► just have these like rows of USB ports you can do anything with an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► now the standards are interchangeable with it the ports are different and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► the reporter me the same with the standards are different i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► they're gonna add a lightning port i don't think so either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► if you'll just feels mess it feels message to me and it also feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► there's a very clean line up until now we're lightening is it is a port and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► know you just combine it with the 30-pin adapter which it replace those two ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► were for iOS devices and ipods and never on the mac and all the ports on a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► were never on iOS devices and adding lightning to the mac just so you can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► the same headphones it it it sounds good if you just want to use the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► headphones but it blurring that line of what devices have a lightning port and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► what do they use it for seems weird and also you're going to get a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► trying to charge their max right maybe it's just it's the ease it what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► use lightning port for charging your phone you're gonna get a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► we're just gonna get charger that lightning port and I don't work rights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► or it's not like friday i mean well but they're smarter than that but like who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► knows like that that's a bad outcome right yes you've taught everybody to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► charge their phones with this thing for the longest time especially if you tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► charging your mac with the little phone charger so that's a great finally used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► for facebook live how long will it take to charge my macbook pro on an iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► just leave it running for four days right and yeah I i don't think people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3835">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► think of writing is anything other than charging i don't think they think of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► is the docking board audio Porter there's a million things you can do but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► i think it is what charges are found and I get all the arguments about why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► remove the headphone jack and like fine that they're their arguments there some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► I don't think we need to add this port in start making people think of as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► it's basically what you're doing is you're taking out a headphone jack and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► you're adding another headphone jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► it's just a different thing you haven't really accomplished all that much if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► add it to the macbook pro yes I don't think that's what we're waiting for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► I don't know but I'm by I'm desperate spider-man video card in this one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► like a little on the fritz it's like just old its essence and nocturnes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► travelpod we're sitting at WABC live login screen started flickering and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► looked at dr indeed indeed cop camera is like taking photos lab was so stressful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► he's got you know 90 wires officemax look at things like nuclear hot as a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► tellin my computer is about to die like knocks out but let's hope it sticks her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► so yeah it's time so I would i was using his old actually i have created 2016 14 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► macbook and i was using his old one for a couple of days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:15 ◼ ► I'm it's like if they just merged all of the ideas for the macbook pro with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3915">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► single port macbook and keep the keyboard full-size keyboard is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:26 ◼ ► a little bit smaller base from least to my hands I'm that is that is everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3926">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► I've ever wanted laptop i think that that's what they're doing I mean that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► to my knowledge actual like schematics have not leaked but the rumors are that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► it's switching to a like a macbook air style teardrop design and it totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► makes sense you know that apple would do that because of their obsession with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► device than this so and and I used to have a macbook air and the one thing I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:57 ◼ ► totally miss with this macbook pro that I have now is that while i was using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3957">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► air for a few years I completely became addicted to being able to reach in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► bag and know which way that laptop was oriented because it was a wedge shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► and I can't I it's like to me now it's like a fifty percent chance like I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► come out and if if anything I or I tend to orient it the wrong way more often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► than not because I'm such an old-school mac user that I remember when my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► powerbook had the apple logo the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► oh wow and so I still tend to if I can't do it by feel and I just plop the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► macbook in front of me looking at the apple logo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► from my perspective the right way and then I'm like oh shoot I gotta turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► around i do it by feel on the hinge right hinges lost but i had to me that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► one of the great points it's the graded there's a real usability advantage to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► the air / macbook 1-port wedge shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► yeah I think I just need a 15-inch screen it's a bit like it just as simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► right like the 12 inch screen 13 train is great people on there obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► hugely popular and then every time i used my could get used to this and I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► back to my 15 inch pro and it just hits home yeah it's it's where I belong and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► I'm just desperately waiting for them to bring back here to bring this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► screen size to that design i guess my biggest question about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► I can't help but think that they're coming soon my question is would they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► would they release them at the same event in September where they do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► the iphone like man it seems like September's so it's a blow operate yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► well last year they did it with the pro they put the ipad pro in the same event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► as a the iphone and they introduced they all new Apple TV at the same event so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► it's not like they're unwilling to share the stage at the the iphone events and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► maybe because the everybody seems to think you know that the this new iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► isn't really going to look different that it's and therefore it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► bit you know if it doesn't look different there's a little bit less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► therefore it needs something to share the event with so many right now if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► look at where they are that September event is bonkers right it's and new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► iPhones it's macbook pros hopefully it is the watch it is potentially new ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► air like it it's stacked I'm well no there will be an ipad air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► why not oh I think that there I i think that i don't think they'll do a new ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► air i think that the ipad pros are the only things that'll never get updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► and eventually the ipad air what will happen is they'll come out with new ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► and i'll just keep these ipad pros that we have today and slot them into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► price points where the ipad air is now I don't think they're ever gonna release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4136">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► another device that has air in the name tonight airs did they don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► device called the ipad right now so is my standard ipad you do you think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► yeah because i think that the I think they're going to do like what they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► it's just to populate the lower price points with two and three-year-old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► devices so everything will just be I've had press I yeah that's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► question is I don't understand how the marketing works on that if like a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► from now when there's a new iPad pro how do you have you know i guess you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► have cheaper ipad pros and they somehow make it clear you know why you'd want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► get the bigger one for the more expensive one when we actually it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► actually i could get offering the same question about the macbook pro what at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► this point for a new macbook pro makes it pro other than it has a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► yeah but it's the performance i guess the ports right i mean it's like Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4191">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► users are the ones more like you to quote-unquote need the ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► yeah it's a agency it you know you just all used to make sense there's like four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► boxes in a grid and now it's the the blurriness cake it's chaos rights even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► the ipad line to me is how many skills are there and it's what that what makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► the one the pro right now is it has the pencil and it has the smarts connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► that but you could make an argument that every I pension happens i think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► argument you're making it will eventually so what makes the pro the pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► again in it that to me is it's there's a lot there's kind of a lot of flex apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► naming right now reflects flux and apples naming it's just I'm curious to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► see how well that settles down like how do they start communicating consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► like this is the model for people who do work with these and this is the model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:53 ◼ ► for everybody else and maybe answers that there is no change and I just get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4253">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► rid of the word privilege Thomas iPads yeah because there are other reason i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► don't think that they will come out with anything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► to device called ipad air is just that the the ipad pro at least you know did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:10 ◼ ► both of them but especially the 9.7 inch one it's not like it's heavier or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4270">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► thicker than the ipad yeah exact same thickness and same low weight so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► no difference like one of the things that there was more to me more clarity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► in the naming was when they were really selling two types of laptops mac book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► air and macbook pro the air is the one by definition that is thinner and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:34 ◼ ► lighter and the pro is thicker and heavier because it that offered more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4294">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► performance and right they think it signified trade-offs right like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► in the middle you had what i think is one of the best mix ever made the black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► plastic macbook yeah and which was like the perfect compromise of all of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► things and then the AP wanted you just want to prioritize how then it was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► can pick an air if you want to prioritize the powerful was against its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► size you pick the pro but that those days are over and we think it's appears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► at the same time ms is making backpack so you can put full gaming pcs and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► you can walk around VR headset so maybe this is aren't quite as open as we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► but that that's like to me it's at the you started out by saying this apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► relentless consumer focus has let it down a path where it's fairly clear how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► things will go but it's also I think becoming more clear that that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► necessarily the only path whereas I think for the longest time apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:38 ◼ ► overwhelmingly good taste and sense of what the consumer market needed made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4358">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► pretty obvious that they were on the only correct path and now you just see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► there's there's a lot of ways to kind of cut it and apple's big advantage as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► as i can tell is that they own the best processor design group and had they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► I think that I I think that's fair to say I really do and it's it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► it is a tremendous advantage right except for the fact that and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► the maxies until chips right to cornell and for now anyway and they obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► have operating systems of people prefer to use and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► in a large margins so but if you wanna personally backside if everybody's using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► intel chips and like throwing a different form factors all over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► Apple set of trade-offs is not necessarily this moment the rights of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► trade-offs like you just have to want to use mac and you get whatever happens you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► yeah and i personally would rather use macros . almost anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► well I've nhp thing uh which one the specter yeah I not in person i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► Joanna's review where diverse she cuts the cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► yeah joanna is it a dear friend of mine anything good friend of yours and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► just wanted super procedures business journalism or denied that the line oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► or two nights ago i think and i was sitting there thinking didn't watch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4436">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► cheese video I i was the backstory and hopefully she's going to be on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► soon sometime in the next week she was going to be on this week and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► didn't work out scheduling wise and she said she literally said to me you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► rely on I would listen to that and I was like that what that's a great idea i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► see you realize that but yes you did just win an award for videos it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► air-traffic 11 but I'm i did this Specter to me is it's the first good you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► know that there's always been a question I think we ran this post and gadget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► what is the windows laptop right like what's the one that when you like i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► to buy windows laptop it's the one that you say you're going to buy what it used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► yeah and then you know when i'm about to my old sketchy in the middle layer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► they're a lot better now but kinda sorta and they even those were kind of loaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► with like garbage and there was any number of bad dowels and people bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► the HP spectre is the first one a long time like yes that that's the one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► should buy even perhaps more than microsoft's on surface book which I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► think it's like a beautiful piece of design it with many confused ideas about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► how large and heavy a tablet you'd like to use in your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:11 ◼ ► yeah I'm but it sits beautifully designed but i would love to see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4511">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► the team that designed Microsoft's surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► a notebook with the detachable screen i would love to see the exact same design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► team to do a laptop that doesn't have a detachable screen gotta do it sometime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► right it's like it's they made it detachable just to not piss off dell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► yeah and it's like something like that and every single thing about the device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► that I find if he other than the whole mac vs windows thing but just as it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► device turned off is has to do with that the display and that compromises they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► had to make it to make that work and so did actually comes out to the macro and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► mac pro and you know there were lots of rumors about problems with surface books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► that were somewhat related to sky like and I'm pretty sure apple just was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4555">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► you know what sky like it's kind of buggy and kind of got rushed out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► were just talking to touch it and I've definitely heard in the the weight the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► way that I've heard about that the most is the issues of the surface book so who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► knows I've often asked this question to me it's an interesting it's just when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► you're talking to people about tech is what would you rather use would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► rather use a macbook hardware running windows or a pc laptop running Mac os10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► how does the trackpad work on both of these that's a great question right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► like so you're saying you would probably take the windows pc laptop running Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► os10 if you could be assured that you have a trackpad that was up this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► know pretty good yeah sure but I don't know if it's like Windows fault like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► well they were it works pretty well I guess yeah I I at this point just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► because of the how long in the tooth is if you assure me that the track that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:04 ◼ ► going to work well i would take a newer more higher-performing windows laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4624">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► right now I would take even various mac OS i would even take a a pc with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► crummy trackpad running Mac os10 then run windows on a mac just because I'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► proficient in the mac environment the software so much more important to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► than the hardware it's like the fact that apple also makes the best hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► is just like a very nice that's lucky for me because the the OS platform that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► I want to use you know happens to have the best hardware to be used criminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► uh not like seriously i mean i-i couldn't I did to me I just couldn't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► would always feel like I've got handcuffs on using just a browser so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► it's that's same way over now they're doing android absolutely very excited to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► see how that works out but and I i wrote about this i bought my mother a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► Chromebook pixel instead of a retina macbook for Christmas because I like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► I'm terrified of her using new software like it just it just a cruise back to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► in the form of support calls and so I was like you know how to make me a list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► of what she doesn't like they're all it's all the web right like everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► she knows on the web and so I brought us Chromebook and what's interesting and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:33 ◼ ► never felt as for chrome OS is so close to a mac even down to the way the mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4713">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► cursor looks that it's it's like a seamless transition if you're not out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► looking for photoshop right it's like if you use a mac with chrome and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► slide in a pixel you might not notice for a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► except for the fact the hardware's a little bit different and it's it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► close and it's amazing to me it's nothing it's obviously been seven months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► since i bought her this computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► my mother is in love with this thing and what she's in love with the most is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► because she generally uses for iphone and ipad when she gets home she still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► she's touches the screen constantly and she's like opening chrome and then she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► scrolled she doesn't scroll the mouse or the trackpad she strolls on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► and she clicks on links on the screen and it's actually that everybody i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► with the pixel is like yeah that's it just starts happening to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► it's crazy it's absolutely crazy to me but it's it's so close to a mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► it comforts you and then it like leads you down a hole in the path I I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► surprised to hear that and I'd you know I think that you know I i hope that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► maxies around for a good long time but I think it's clear that for most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► Mac or Windows is overkill it's the fact that they're so capable and that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► so much you can do at a technical level with native apps in a way that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► install your own software and customize the user interface and all the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/4807">TS</a>]
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01:31:35 ◼ ► just go by you know there's got to be a store here that sells there's probably a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► store that you can see wherever you are in the airport right i go to any moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► you can probably see the place where you can go in the airport and you'll be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► to buy headphones and you're not you're not going to be a lot of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► you mean if you want to they usually is also a story that'll sell you four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► hundred dollar pair of bose noise cancelling headphones too but you'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► able to buy a pair of ten dollar at standard had fun of it there was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5518">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► airline the gonna give you for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► it happens all too yeah it's nappy head phones and there's a absolutely you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► even in the best-case scenario if this you know pans out there is no headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► it's absolutely a trade-off and one of the biggest trade off is the universal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► miss of that Jack so and i don't know maybe it really will be for the worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► these changes always get people's dander riled up and in the long run it always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► works out but the reason I'm saying specifically and that's a strong word I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► pissed off a lot of people this word user hostel is it's not in service of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► greater need and it's not in service of greater value so you can't every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► apples killed something off there has been a successful technology that is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:50 ◼ ► my view delivered in order of magnitude improvement right so we kill the floppy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5570">TS</a>]
01:32:56 ◼ ► the cd-rom is sitting there can hold an order of magnitude more storage and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5576">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► you brought up ethernet jacks in response to my right to kill these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► Jax I don't know how they measure this but I'll just claim Wi-Fi is an order of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► magnitude for convenient to meet or even track which can measure it out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► sherman and but there's always some like successor technology where there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► incredible spike in value we kill vga want to DVI digital signals are higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► quality than that we kill DVI invented display port the port got smaller and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► displays are more capable we want to thunderbolt now we can daisy-chain them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► right like there's some reason that you want to do this thing over and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► again with the headphone jack the best arguments for it and I made a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:43 ◼ ► of fun you are one apples really good at doing this so we shouldn't have every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5623">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► reason they might help with waterproofing which there are lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► waterproof phones on the market right now that phone jacks and i'll make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► thinner and might make more space the battery i don't think that any of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► things in isolation or in combination provide an order about the order of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► magnitude amount of value over the Universalists and the accessibility of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:10 ◼ ► that's why I tend to think now at a gut level that the transition that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5650">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► going to that the the message from Apple is going to be to go wireless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► right because that to me is a an advantage and as somebody who owns a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► pair of wireless your your funds are buds but you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► I have the beats whatever they're called had a lot of names they're the ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► are just like the solo tues know another small they're just big just go in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► ear and over the eager on their wireless yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► cool i was singing at the big noise cancelling cans now i don't know i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► have those and it's you know not getting caught not having a cable that can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► caught or that your arm gets called when you're running or bicycling or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5695">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► it is a huge advantage bluetooth kind of sucks though I mean it you know you even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► linked to my thing where I've been saying for a while where the bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► slogan should always be bluetooth it's going to be better next year so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► why I've also started my writing about it and talking about it where I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:16 ◼ ► I think the message from Apple is going to be Wireless not necessarily bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5716">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► wireless so maybe they'll come up with and again this gets into the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► proprietary very standard thing what if they come up with their thing that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► like what lightning is to what USB apples wireless technologies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► bluetooth it is an apple only but works proprietary thing and that you can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► who knows maybe just use NFC wouldn't even have to plug in a lightning just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:42 ◼ ► rub the earphones against your iphone and they're paired right and that solves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5742">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► the macbook dilemma right is looking yes you're only able to pair them if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► blue sheet in particular cells macbook dilemma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► well or Bluetooth better you know apple bluetooth + + that's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5754">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► alright in bluetooth fives it is meteor the fall back to bluetooth so that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► could use them on an old macbook you know one that's not the new that I maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:07 ◼ ► they're holding out and has the new NFC sort of pairing process i don't i'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5767">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► imagining and again maybe hon maybe I'm Way too optimistic i'm just a or wishful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► thinking i don't know but I'm just hoping that they come out you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:22 ◼ ► the answer is if the headphone jack is going away the answer is we've got these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5782">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► new wireless ones and you're going to be here soon as you use them you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► to be I can't believe I spent all those years with the cable connecting my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► headphones to my phone because I think and that's why I just think connecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► headphones to the Lightning port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► it it it it just doesn't win and I don't think it's like it isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► you're gonna have an adapter or you're gonna have one pair of headphones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► you lose its it's kind of the same thing the wireless like I almost think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► have to lose 5 is here at the standard how it's been talking about it if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► go with something like blue 25 which like I said it could be the year because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:03 ◼ ► this could be the one I'm then then now you stupid argument where it's okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5823">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► here's a standard we can put these headphones everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► I'm you know the the free set on the airplane come with a cheapo adapter for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► lightning and we can use with your mac ok that's a fine set of arguments but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► what you do lose over and over and over again is just the the universality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► this thing that is literally been around for ever like you know that the quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► and Shaq is like 1898 like there's a reason it sticks around there's a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► that you know Sony tried to build a proprietary Jack with a dongle that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► could plug that phone into HTC try to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:46 ◼ ► there's a really great getting to the headphone jack might be land war in Asia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5866">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► right yeah it's like it's it's just everyone has failed to do this and Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► has a unique scale and they have a unique market power I I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5874">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► unparalleled in the history of consumer goods to just lead people down the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► I'm but this might be the one and I just don't know and I I think you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► we don't know in my take on it is the the amount of obvious risk that you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► taking to do this like blindly obvious risk versus the amount of currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► available for the benefit is just way lopsided like that this is the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► people say i'm not going to buy a new iphone this year and they're already in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► the zone where people are beginning to say i'm not going to buy new iphone this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:34 ◼ ► year and maybe maybe we're gonna take away this year and they're gonna bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5914">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► it back on the iphone 7 10 year anniversary it's the most beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► design everyone's like electron Jack's back and that's other planning to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► like maybe there's a whiteboard somewhere that's like here's what we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► do we'll kill sales this year and next year will bring it back in the sales [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► like no I doubt it i don't think they could ever bring it back i think I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► I well but this but this is one of those reasons I think that when are already in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5936">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► his own weather sales are starting to plateau because not everybody buys my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► phone every year and they're trying to get people into that place with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► own upgrade plan nearly all the carriers are trying to get you to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► this is one of those like moments when a lot of people would say maybe I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► need a new phone because that sucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► yeah it would be interesting to see I mean it'd be interesting to see if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► actually you know and and you if sales are disappointing of this new iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► with thing I mean it's with the without the headphone port it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► impossible to say for sure that why but you know because it it might also be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:37 ◼ ► know people say well people are also bored with the design everybody hopes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► has a two-year-old iphone 6 they think this phone still looks the same stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► that just hang on for another year and you never know what the reason is for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:47 ◼ ► sure of right across an entire population I think the reason they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5987">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► leaking out early to the journal and others like it's going to look the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► yeah i think so too there is another explanation for why Apple is doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► that is technical and isn't really about a better solution for audio to users and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:12 ◼ ► if if this if the keynote event in September comes and they're not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6012">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► talking about wireless headphones and really talking about just same old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► earpods tonight plug them into the Lightning port then I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► explanation for why they're doing it is about next year's phone having this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► edge-to-edge top-to-bottom display and then putting the headphone jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► underneath that display really is a problem like I the waterproofing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:38 ◼ ► obviously not a problem because it's waterproof phones with the headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6038">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► jack the battery explanation I I regret even going there because I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:46 ◼ ► however much space the headphone jack takes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6046">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► I don't think adding that space in the corner is really gonna affect battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► life too much I mean every inch counts are every square millimeter counts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► inside these devices especially as they get dinner but the fact that they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► to go edge-to-edge with the display top to bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► as close to edge to edge as that currently is side-to-side i think really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► could be a problem with the headphone jack with as far you know into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► devices it inserts and so rather than doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► introducing this no headphone jack next year when they do that with this radical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► new design it's better to do it now and get people on board a year in advance is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► the home button a bigger problem in that this place all over all kinds of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► stuff right i mean these are this is one of the best engineering companies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► well suppose what I've heard supposedly is that the home button is on will be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► the screen and it will be covered with pixels so you'll be you know i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► quite I don't know any details about how that's exactly gonna work but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► you'll have some kind of thing that you'll feel on the display but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:49 ◼ ► you're not using it will be covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6109">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► you know it'll be like usable space for apps sure be no I'm just saying like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:56 ◼ ► they can put the display over the battery and the processor and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6116">TS</a>]
01:41:59 ◼ ► everything else you mean do the same problem the Lightning port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6119">TS</a>]
01:42:03 ◼ ► I don't know well the Lightning port distant goes in so much it's so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6123">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► shallower than the headphone jack and it's dinner right now heading in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► it's just it's one of those things where a thing that I never want to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► assume that Apple isn't good enough to do something because they're it's clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:23 ◼ ► that they can solve problems in a variety of like it's the same with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6143">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► google and like Facebook you know it's that these are the highest and companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:30 ◼ ► in the world like if if they can't figure it out it's rarely because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6150">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► there's some huge blocker that they can't either like Moore's law won't take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:38 ◼ ► them over or they can't design around it something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6158">TS</a>]
01:42:41 ◼ ► yeah that's why I'm sticking with my optimistic smile optimistic take that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6161">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► their message is you should go wireless because the long run of Apple devices is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► as get eliminated as many cables as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► yeah you know I saw this in maybe this is just because i'm a huge nerd maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► the vast majority people i kept wireless that's what i want to do is I'm i went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► to Tudor been sweating and and we know it is a different story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► well I did go to his wedding was great and I was thinking of a different time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► that he put a microSD card into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:17 ◼ ► we shot at us and we shot this 360 thing and I needed to put it on a headset and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6197">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► the only way we could get it in time was to put a microSD card into a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► and then stick it in the back of a phone and it was like I use the phone was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► computer and I open the file and ran with it and we were just sitting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► how would you do that an iphone it's like almost impossible to move a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► and there's there is just this value to that kind of extensibility and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► see where the two platforms will diverge and at this might be one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► moments when they're gonna get more divergent because the android phone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► going to be the one with I'm removable storage and a headphone jack and a USBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► port and all these standards and connectivity and and and an app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:04 ◼ ► that lets you sideload and all this other stuff and it's more of a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6244">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► and the iphone is the sheet of glass that commands you to use it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6247">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► certainly I was at the eye eye doctor yesterday and and what they know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► some reason I don't even know how it came about but they know who what I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:21 ◼ ► they know that I'm you know right about apple stuff and I think it's because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6261">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► actual my actual eye doctor she's a bit of a technology as an Apple watch it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► her while i was waiting the room I was you know those in like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:37 ◼ ► optometrist chair and it's right it's right behind the receptionist desk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6277">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► she was just asking me hey what you know she knows what I do and she's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:45 ◼ ► what's coming up what's new what's the big thing you know trying to talk shop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6285">TS</a>]
01:44:48 ◼ ► and I said believe it believe in hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6288">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► hey it's it's that the next iPhone is going to remain that donate Jack and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:55 ◼ ► really all everybody in the industry is talking about this headphone jack and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6295">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► it sounds as I to as these words are coming out of my mouth and I tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:03 ◼ ► that that's the next big thing I can't believe that I'm telling you that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6303">TS</a>]
01:45:06 ◼ ► you asked and asked the attack and I thought that is it just sounded so goofy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6306">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► once i started saying it but it really is to me fascinating because it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:16 ◼ ► could play out so many different ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6316">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► well it's it like I'm saying it this relates back to the very beginning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:23 ◼ ► like what what do I want to cover the verge it's how technology impacts the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6323">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► culture right it's it's that's the focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► and the culture of how we listen to everything was is built around this Jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► it's wild actually it's just it's everywhere as we discussed it on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► audio only podcast that will be you know anybody who hears this discussion is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:48 ◼ ► using headphones or speakers getting audio off the device somehow yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6348">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► actually it's funny anything market really stats so many people just with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6353">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► wife does us they just let you use the speaker on the phone maybe that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6357">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► Apple's banking on is that most people are just like fuck it and they just used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:07 ◼ ► yeah i just think it's it's and it's another one of these inflection points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6367">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► when it's ok we're going to want to jump off the deep end and what is the audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► chaos me like that I'm gonna call that a wrap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6376">TS</a>]
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01:46:33 ◼ ► yeah exactly that would be reckless yeah I and of course your editor-in-chief of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuyi_xIU/6393">TS</a>]
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