The Talk Show

156: ‘Yo, Dingus’, With Special Guest Merlin Mann


00:00:00   this is episode this CL VI of the box already have to see LVN i CLD I mr. [TS]

00:00:09   Roman numerals last I didn't listen to last week's episode you see you UMBC [TS]

00:00:12   talked about Roman numerals again huh yeah its ponderous i got on it i guess i [TS]

00:00:17   gotta a rant because of the getting rid of the 10 and Mac os10 alright i I've [TS]

00:00:22   hated it all along I hated it right from the first version it's that I don't like [TS]

00:00:26   it any way you might have never liked ls10 as the name of the operating system [TS]

00:00:31   now I just think that it was x.x is the coolest letter of the alphabet and it [TS]

00:00:36   was a way to put it but the coolest letter of the alphabet name but because [TS]

00:00:40   it's so cool half the people pronounce it OSX I did it I did it for years I I i [TS]

00:00:48   think i made a gesture keep a sharp one time when I told him how I got into mom [TS]

00:00:51   the PHP myadmin and done Universal Search to change all my OSX as one word [TS]

00:00:57   20 s SpaceX you don't want to tell a pearl user that's how you fix stuff on [TS]

00:01:01   the internet you have the right side of my city is what I didn't feel so bad [TS]

00:01:10   that was thinking how do I obliterate this um but isn't a conventional wisdom [TS]

00:01:15   he told me is up to the mac blogger it in the conventional wisdom that they're [TS]

00:01:19   gonna switch to this kind of standardized way for mac OS is a [TS]

00:01:24   consensus or yes it's very simple [TS]

00:01:27   the only question is whether they're going to capitalize the m and mac OS [TS]

00:01:31   even though they themselves don't capitalize the eye and iOS or the W and [TS]

00:01:36   watch Os or the T and T BOS they don't capitalize the tea in the v right and as [TS]

00:01:46   one gotta go I gotta go lower case [TS]

00:01:48   yeah but that the counter-argument and there was like a unusual it seem like i [TS]

00:01:54   don't know if you know it just seems like an unusual mistake for Apple to [TS]

00:01:56   make but they had like an environmental like they're there [TS]

00:02:01   whatever the day is where you celebrate the world's environment [TS]

00:02:05   what's that called me before green day maybe birthday birthday [TS]

00:02:10   yeah what's the difference Greenday on green day they they had at the [TS]

00:02:14   promotional page up and they said something blah blah blah and they [TS]

00:02:17   spelled it a mac OS with a capital M closed up i have another friend my [TS]

00:02:23   friend Matt who said that this is going to bug him because he's like us goes [TS]

00:02:27   back to the old days of the classic mac OS where they called the OS mac OS but [TS]

00:02:31   back then it was capital m.a.c space LS and and said in set in government [TS]

00:02:41   yeah but you know when you'll be writing about it when you see publications that [TS]

00:02:44   would mention it and spelled it closed up it was your spotting an error right [TS]

00:02:49   right so the way that we think they're now going to spell it was a late [TS]

00:02:53   nineties frequent a typo and now it's going to be apparently the real way I [TS]

00:02:59   think but the argument that they might capitalize it without capitalizing the [TS]

00:03:02   other ones is that mac is a registered trademark and ys TV and I yeah are not [TS]

00:03:10   well you know the other thing is for think about it for so long how you know [TS]

00:03:16   Matt was a you know that was a name that insiders mostly called it but you know [TS]

00:03:21   it seems like you know it just ended up in the popular imagination macintosh and [TS]

00:03:25   apple for a number of years were synonymous which is going to drive [TS]

00:03:28   people crazy i know i know there are things before the mac but macintosh and [TS]

00:03:32   able to this stage on Roderick still calls the company mcintosh I think [TS]

00:03:34   because that's for a long time those were kind of conflated to be sort of the [TS]

00:03:39   same thing so mcintosh means something Mac means something but Mac OS I mean [TS]

00:03:43   out that how much are they even know is a can of worms but you know the mac is [TS]

00:03:49   not the central pillar and what they're doing anymore it and that reflects its [TS]

00:03:53   place as part of the ecosystem [TS]

00:03:55   I think up was that the the other guy on ATP we talk about the the other guy is [TS]

00:04:02   not Casey yes down on their show last week they're talking about their [TS]

00:04:06   excellent new t-shirt designs you're the worst and I that's a great design i [TS]

00:04:12   totally violence well I don't like the watch what watch one [TS]

00:04:15   the the ATP apple / BMW M is brilliant for that show its it i mean it's I saw [TS]

00:04:24   that design and I was like oh my god how did that not I i think they ought to [TS]

00:04:28   make that they're the logo of the show i mean it's it's amazing because of the [TS]

00:04:32   whole gimmick where they the whole reason I even have the ATP show is that [TS]

00:04:35   they had a car podcast for a while [TS]

00:04:37   it's a classic logo in that sense of being being very attracted to look at it [TS]

00:04:41   looks kind of cool kind of retro but if you get the jokes it's kind of perfect [TS]

00:04:44   right in his explainer though Casey described it as a reference to the six [TS]

00:04:50   color mcintosh logo just to say that you know that you know the way that people [TS]

00:04:55   conflated apple with Macintosh was not the Macintosh logo it was it was the [TS]

00:05:01   apple logo i think i think Josh siracusa pointed out that but that was an error [TS]

00:05:07   this is you know you're getting into this territory where man you're going to [TS]

00:05:11   get into the you know the greater nerd syndrome [TS]

00:05:14   there's going to be always always gonna be somebody that know slightly more [TS]

00:05:16   about this and it's slightly less interesting and how they describe it [TS]

00:05:19   just keeps getting worse and worse and worse it'll serve actually your quarters [TS]

00:05:23   on the airport or represents remember her ever seen a rainbow [TS]

00:05:28   oh thanks buddy super helpful i miss it [TS]

00:05:33   I you know I still how long now has it been that what you know just gray or [TS]

00:05:41   four wagons black apple but i miss it man [TS]

00:05:44   when used to be when you bought a mac you got the bastards we started stickers [TS]

00:05:49   but now the stickers are just white but the rainbow stickers are so cool and [TS]

00:05:52   they're so I mean there so like they're so eighties but they're also seventies [TS]

00:05:56   and they're kind of I don't know there's sort of like weirdly timeless and retro [TS]

00:06:00   yeah I miss it I miss it [TS]

00:06:02   they still they've they've started slightly bringing it back a little bit [TS]

00:06:07   and retro situations didn't they [TS]

00:06:09   I i think they brought it back for the LGBT pride parade in San Francisco [TS]

00:06:17   oh that's cool or else they did something that clearly referenced it you [TS]

00:06:21   know with the connection between the rainbow is a symbol for that community [TS]

00:06:25   and and apple and then I think that they stuck it in a car [TS]

00:06:28   Marshall I i know they day I don't use it at least one because they had a [TS]

00:06:33   commercial where they showed people's beat-up macbooks with stickers on them [TS]

00:06:37   oh and they did a super-fast yes fast and and one of them was an old-school [TS]

00:06:42   apple logo which was it was like whoa is a good you know a real geek [TS]

00:06:47   it was cool to see Apple put up a computer with the six color apple logo [TS]

00:06:51   again even though it was in they didn't like Trotsky it didn't disappear it was [TS]

00:06:55   still in a nightmare and I could've sworn there was another commercial this [TS]

00:06:59   is why I need to live audience [TS]

00:07:00   there's you know that shows what the live audience somebody would already [TS]

00:07:02   have the link in there i think there was one where they ended it i don't know if [TS]

00:07:06   it was that one where they went through the apple 40 years and 40 seconds or [TS]

00:07:09   what but they had a spot where they showed it i do miss it did you [TS]

00:07:15   it's an interesting time very interesting times funny always were [TS]

00:07:17   watching the Warriors game the other night I was again that logo is that [TS]

00:07:21   those uniforms with what's the worst matter was like she's like what the hell [TS]

00:07:25   are you talking about that's totally their throwback retro girl was like oh [TS]

00:07:28   that's cool and kind of like that what's good news hope I kinda hate they're like [TS]

00:07:32   and its really bad because they even used that what's that goof on to the [TS]

00:07:37   that like fake classy have to look out anyway I'd it's it's not a good logo i [TS]

00:07:48   kind of like their colors I like the colors idea to get to like the [TS]

00:07:52   three-pointers [TS]

00:07:53   oh yeah it's like it's kind of guys at a copper plate make a little bit a little [TS]

00:07:58   bit cop not quite copper plate but yeah it's copper plate [TS]

00:08:01   yeah copperplate that's exactly the phone i'm thinkin that's one of those [TS]

00:08:05   fonts that I i used to use like when i first started started working in design [TS]

00:08:10   because i thought wow this makes everything look classy now absolutely [TS]

00:08:13   it's like papyrus for men with the men's wearhouse suits you know used to be [TS]

00:08:19   comic sans and now it's papyrus this is there are or you know full of mystery [TS]

00:08:25   mistress fun like you know mistress fun if you like Guy Fieri at a beach bar [TS]

00:08:29   i'll roll mistral you know that's fine you know I mean the surface fine [TS]

00:08:33   yeah yeah I don't like but you know any know even copperplate fine you know [TS]

00:08:39   pickaway to have some fun with it but like [TS]

00:08:41   papyrus man piracy is the new comic sans if it's like a sign your spa or it's [TS]

00:08:47   your menu of the day it's like it's always papyrus so with the warriors [TS]

00:08:52   would be I would eat at how amazing is it that that photo of eddy cue with [TS]

00:08:57   Stephan Stephan curry that was hot it was a delightful so perfect I thought it [TS]

00:09:02   was a wonderful image I want some nice shoes but he's wearing flip-flops it's [TS]

00:09:07   it's one of those images though where it's like uh I mean I'm not good i [TS]

00:09:13   haven't been into basketball for awhile used to be really into basketball but i [TS]

00:09:17   like the sport and I happened to find the style that Golden State place to be [TS]

00:09:22   delightful [TS]

00:09:22   it's a team that really has fun playing basketball and I used to play basketball [TS]

00:09:26   I found the reason i like playing it is that i find that it is a very fun game [TS]

00:09:31   to play especially if it goes right if you're moving the ball around and [TS]

00:09:34   everybody's getting the ball and and you're fast breaks and it's lots of [TS]

00:09:38   scoring and it's not just you know 27 foot guys slowly but surely backing [TS]

00:09:44   their way to the basket it it can be a beautiful game and that's how Golden [TS]

00:09:47   State plays and it's like watching a video game sometimes with these guys [TS]

00:09:51   we're shooting from 10 feet past the three-point line and and just hit [TS]

00:09:54   nothing but net lots of fun to watch somebody I've really been into the [TS]

00:09:57   playoffs this year and of course I know who Eddie can do is I had him on my show [TS]

00:10:01   even write and then here's the photo of the game of one of the most amazing [TS]

00:10:05   games in recent NBA history and its ionic and what alright become an iconic [TS]

00:10:10   photo [TS]

00:10:11   yeah it really well and he's wearing flip-flops [TS]

00:10:15   he's just better than 10 years a lot of presentations [TS]

00:10:19   it's cool if I crash here for a couple weeks that's all right Eddie but you [TS]

00:10:23   know you gotta believe at some point [TS]

00:10:24   here's my first night was my take on the flip-flops is first and foremost that I [TS]

00:10:30   understand it gets California thing and I'm not I'm an East Coast person we [TS]

00:10:33   don't really you know grown men don't really wear flip flops out even if it's [TS]

00:10:37   just to a basketball game but i understand it [TS]

00:10:39   California is a little little more casual my take on it though is having [TS]

00:10:45   been to a lot of events sporting events rock concerts etc at an arena type [TS]

00:10:50   atmosphere the [TS]

00:10:51   that the floor situation isn't all that great now I realize he had courtside [TS]

00:10:55   seats and maybe they they make an effort to keep the spilled beer and soda to a [TS]

00:11:01   minimum down there at the courtside but that's my first thought is is that you [TS]

00:11:06   kind of want some some waterproof footwear when you go to an arena [TS]

00:11:10   haha god what do you begin [TS]

00:11:13   well first of all I mean it will you realize that wasn't that wasn't in [TS]

00:11:18   Oklahoma get no no it was all across the rivers over there to sell it okay but I [TS]

00:11:24   mean you know the bay area is not California it's it's a different thing [TS]

00:11:27   and it's not a question of you know I mean it's one thing like you know live [TS]

00:11:31   in pasadena or something like a look at me i don't have toes on my shoes it but [TS]

00:11:35   like here like man if you're walking around San Francisco do not want to be [TS]

00:11:39   wearing flip-flops [TS]

00:11:40   it's just so me when I want my daughters game we get ready to go downtown with my [TS]

00:11:44   daughter like I want to put her in a Tyvek suit like no I mean she's got it [TS]

00:11:48   she's gonna wear socks and shoes and let you know I want to put on some like you [TS]

00:11:51   know medical booties [TS]

00:11:52   it's like haha not good they're moving the I think they're talking about moving [TS]

00:11:58   the arena right near where my wife works which is very near AT&T Park here we [TS]

00:12:03   asked for a yes and like kind of across the street from a children's emergency [TS]

00:12:07   hospital so she should be really interesting to try and get your kid [TS]

00:12:11   enduring a big game [TS]

00:12:12   I don't watch sports I'm not into sports are I've been enjoying watching on slack [TS]

00:12:17   talking about the total fantastic fantastic anecdote you probably won't [TS]

00:12:19   share here but an amazing anecdote about your basketball career that I i love you [TS]

00:12:25   two share sometime i would share I'll share my story almost as okay i'd love [TS]

00:12:29   to hear that one always shares it's like if you're gonna be somebody who watches [TS]

00:12:33   three sports games a year [TS]

00:12:34   boy that was a great one to watch yeah because it reminds me a little bit of [TS]

00:12:38   like how I you know there's time when I enjoyed watching tennis i'm not like a [TS]

00:12:40   tennis fan but used to be you know the eighties you could really enjoy that [TS]

00:12:44   combination of like ace serves plus a lot of just insane volleying and it [TS]

00:12:50   feels like that got that we might talk about this before but it feels like [TS]

00:12:52   tennis eventually just become all about the aces and all about like the hidden [TS]

00:12:55   super super hard and the PDF watching those two teams and the way that they [TS]

00:12:59   complimented the way that the other plate is yeah you're gonna get this two [TS]

00:13:03   guys def korean guy looks like Steph Curry [TS]

00:13:05   we're gonna be dropping a lot of 3-pointers and that's amazing but then [TS]

00:13:08   it can also be Steph Curry like just here it's almost like he's moving [TS]

00:13:13   through a party and just like that [TS]

00:13:16   excuse me excuse me like you're like you know he's like you know I just need to [TS]

00:13:19   get by here for a minute boom layup [TS]

00:13:21   ok how do you do that how do you move past all those people [TS]

00:13:25   fast-paced they got the long game throwing from from three points they're [TS]

00:13:29   going up for the lamps the teamwork is fantastic on both teams and you just you [TS]

00:13:33   just see these two teams that are so well-matched and are both operating at [TS]

00:13:37   the height of their performance and it's a complete delight to watch he moves [TS]

00:13:41   through the defense while dribbling the basketball in a way that i don't think [TS]

00:13:46   most athletic people could get through the same defense without the basketball [TS]

00:13:50   just run just slip through these guys just get through them [TS]

00:13:54   you sure if you give you sure somebody that pattern like with like Fred Astaire [TS]

00:13:56   feet on the floor dance moves and said somebody go repeat what he just did five [TS]

00:14:00   times there's no way somebody could do it it really i think it really and [TS]

00:14:03   install it is always more impressive in slow-motion it really looks like some [TS]

00:14:07   kind of visual effects shot that you know Todd Vaziri put together you know [TS]

00:14:11   like hear stuff just run through this crowd and then I'll out you know we'll [TS]

00:14:15   make sure we'll put the basketball in after you do it we'll do it and post it [TS]

00:14:19   is composited yeah yeah likely you see one of those guys what's the guy's name [TS]

00:14:24   i forget his name the other klay Thompson Thompson you had that montage [TS]

00:14:28   to put up with great his 11 three-pointers but the crazy part is you [TS]

00:14:31   know i'm used to watching basketball in the larry bird era and when you see [TS]

00:14:35   these guys moving so fast passing so fast and you see somebody feat beyond [TS]

00:14:40   the three-point line they've had the ball for about a quarter of a second [TS]

00:14:43   they take a shot and my friend me is all that's a shame throw away that shot at [TS]

00:14:47   getting that did that you wish doesn't even touch the rim like what has become [TS]

00:14:51   what is this game I don't even recognize this game anymore it's so much more fun [TS]

00:14:55   to watch [TS]

00:14:56   I think that what happened is that it's taken until now or even though the [TS]

00:15:01   three-pointer the three-pointer went into the NBA i think in 1981 or so and [TS]

00:15:08   it came to college in [TS]

00:15:11   like the later eighties and then in high school around the same time too so i [TS]

00:15:15   when i played high school basketball we had the three-point shot but it was new [TS]

00:15:19   like the paint on the court in the high school gym was different color than the [TS]

00:15:22   rest of the court because it would be glad to pay a guy to come in at it and [TS]

00:15:28   the coaches are a an all-sports tend to be conservative they are you know they [TS]

00:15:34   they they don't want to rock the boat and so it was always treated as a [TS]

00:15:37   novelty and you don't want to you know they'd always coaches are always tell me [TS]

00:15:41   you know you don't want to win winner loser die by the three you or live or [TS]

00:15:46   die by the three [TS]

00:15:47   when was the only it must have seemed like a risky trick yeah and if you miss [TS]

00:15:51   two or three in a row coaches would be like that's it you know you know stop [TS]

00:15:55   shooting it because you're you know you're you're cold tonight [TS]

00:15:58   whereas I klay Thompson the other night missed six or seven his first six or [TS]

00:16:02   seven 3-pointers and just kept firing em up there and eventually they go in [TS]

00:16:05   because that's actually that's actually the way statistics work right [TS]

00:16:08   did you don't really want to posted that image that was the basic the second half [TS]

00:16:12   in shots you see that graphic and was like taking shots taking shots missed [TS]

00:16:17   oh no that was our our mutual friend Ben Thompson posting cat that's incredible [TS]

00:16:22   yeah and just where they took the shot and just two different styles of play [TS]

00:16:26   where Oklahoma City is not really it it actually a relatively poor three-point [TS]

00:16:30   shooting team overall and and that the Golden State shot chart like this little [TS]

00:16:36   dots on the court of where they took shots [TS]

00:16:37   it looked like this is this looks like that the time and practice when we [TS]

00:16:41   practice our 3-pointers right right right when with nobody with nobody harms [TS]

00:16:45   you know waving around so i think what happened is that it took until now to [TS]

00:16:52   get coaches who grew up in the three-point era to really embrace it as [TS]

00:16:57   a it's okay to shoot it and in just you know to for your edification Steve Kerr [TS]

00:17:02   the coach of a golden state was a wonderful three-point shooter he played [TS]

00:17:06   college ball at Arizona I think he graduated this is I used to be a sports [TS]

00:17:11   fanatic and I can't even tell you when he graduated I think he graduated in [TS]

00:17:14   1988 and then he had a very nice pro career including playing with the the [TS]

00:17:18   Michael Jordan Bulls later and in the late nineties he was more or less the [TS]

00:17:23   guy who like when Michael Jordan would [TS]

00:17:25   double-teamed or even triple teamed Steve Kerr was the guy who's who's man [TS]

00:17:29   probably left him to go double team Jordan and Jordan would just flip the [TS]

00:17:32   ball and he would knock down 3-pointers so I think having a coach who grew up in [TS]

00:17:36   the three-point era really makes the difference in terms of embracing it [TS]

00:17:41   I think I saw a stat the other day that and now Larry Bird in the eighties was I [TS]

00:17:44   think without question the best three-point shooter in the NBA but even [TS]

00:17:49   he Larry Bird is on record as saying he doesn't even like the rule he kind of he [TS]

00:17:53   he's always thought it was a gimmick and that you know he'd shoot it because he [TS]

00:17:56   could shoot from that far but he always thought two points is good enough for [TS]

00:17:59   anybody who or where I guess the mantra that a lot of the old-timers had was [TS]

00:18:03   that I you shouldn't be able to lose with a two-point lead and you know that [TS]

00:18:09   the worst you do is go to overtime and a three-point lead should be a sure thing [TS]

00:18:12   that if you have a three-point lead with with seconds to go [TS]

00:18:16   you could just walk off the court because that's it you're you that's good [TS]

00:18:19   enough to win and then you can do you see real changes in sports I'm this is [TS]

00:18:25   actually this is a question not a statement we see rule changes in sports [TS]

00:18:28   just as a way outside observer it seems like they're often in the interest of [TS]

00:18:34   making it more interesting or speeding things up or closing some kind of a [TS]

00:18:40   loophole that makes the game less competitive and interesting given [TS]

00:18:44   certain conditions that that kind of a fair statement like this without [TS]

00:18:48   puncturing football it seems like that's really the case [TS]

00:18:50   yeah and a three-point line is definitely that sort of idea that it was [TS]

00:18:54   a it was an answer to what was seen as an epidemic that the game was being [TS]

00:18:58   taken over by seven footers who just you know just toss the ball into him down [TS]

00:19:03   down low and watch them you know banging away at the Khal Drogo guy playing for [TS]

00:19:11   Oklahoma's pretty amazing though that that shot that shot the deck i made like [TS]

00:19:16   he just jumped toward the net [TS]

00:19:18   he seems like it's about three feet off being able to don't get any somehow just [TS]

00:19:22   getting in some amazing to watch [TS]

00:19:25   it's good stuff alright let me take a break and thank our our first sponsor [TS]

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00:19:41   a new thing that's for sale and sometimes they sell out because only [TS]

00:19:45   have a limited number of them sometimes they don't and they're the same guys who [TS]

00:19:50   years ago how to cite called woot you could tell they even sort of the name [TS]

00:19:55   their stuff the same way except they were more excited back then they were [TS]

00:19:57   excited in the early days and they named it woot and now they've they've been [TS]

00:20:01   beaten down by the man and they just call it matter because what happened is [TS]

00:20:04   they sold route to amazon it did not go well and eventually like it got to the [TS]

00:20:11   point where we're under amazon and was selling multiple items a day and the [TS]

00:20:15   wood guys were like you know where we're a daily deal site the whole gimmick is [TS]

00:20:18   we sell one thing that day and Amazon was like well we're amazon and we sell [TS]

00:20:22   everything and so they left and they started the side up again and they just [TS]

00:20:27   call it math and it's great it is it's not just about the daily deals though [TS]

00:20:32   the thing is they put it he got to read the descriptions they write for it [TS]

00:20:36   they're real writers and they put funny videos up its really like the daily-deal [TS]

00:20:39   thing is just an excuse for them to create the sort of content that they [TS]

00:20:44   want to create that's really what what they want is they want people coming to [TS]

00:20:48   check out the site every day just to see what they've posted what they've written [TS]

00:20:51   the funny videos they've put together and then if you happen to like the the [TS]

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00:20:59   even have a button you just sign up and give an account you give it a map and [TS]

00:21:03   then they know that you you weren't interested [TS]

00:21:05   so really great stuff very fun very interesting these guys are super clever [TS]

00:21:10   so go check them out at men.com I got a killer deal today [TS]

00:21:16   what's their deal today this week too late nobody's gonna be able to get it [TS]

00:21:19   because only by the time John Smith's meta too late because its first of all [TS]

00:21:23   as we record this it is sold out but also it's a deal day you know that again [TS]

00:21:28   just going in reading for the writing is so fun they get the FoodSaver vacuum [TS]

00:21:31   sealing system i'll be it refurbished i paid 80 bucks for this in a couple [TS]

00:21:40   months ago I do lots of sous-vide cooking at home it's the second 22 bucks [TS]

00:21:45   out the door that's crazy [TS]

00:21:48   here's their description you shouldn't use this to seal marijuana that you [TS]

00:21:52   legally buy in Washington Oregon and Alaska of Colorado so it's easier to [TS]

00:21:55   conceal when traveling to or through other states of matter how ridiculous [TS]

00:21:59   this matter how ridiculous you think it is for position of a plan to be legal in [TS]

00:22:03   one state but illegal and others no matter how obvious it is that marijuana [TS]

00:22:05   prohibition is on its last legs worldwide that would be wrong so that [TS]

00:22:10   you can get from them all right you want to tell me basketball story and would i [TS]

00:22:15   I'm not embarrassed to tell the story III so when I when I was in high school [TS]

00:22:18   I played recreational basketball i was i was pretty good my senior year I scored [TS]

00:22:22   14 points a game and we had a pretty good team and I could shoot you know my [TS]

00:22:27   my thing i don't like to mix it and what we shared was your position before her [TS]

00:22:31   sort of like a small forward or maybe at all shooting guard it's you know but [TS]

00:22:36   I've my own but I was good at good if you know passing on a fast break and I [TS]

00:22:39   scored lots of lamps on fast breaks and I was good at shooting three [TS]

00:22:43   although i think the most i ever made the game was five or six it may be mad [TS]

00:22:51   because I played the christmas ornament one time and they had a thing in the the [TS]

00:22:55   the like a school hosted like a little you know round-robin to Timor 14 [TS]

00:23:00   Christmas tournament they had a little program and I had like are our christmas [TS]

00:23:04   tournament records and one of them was four 3-pointers 44 like across the whole [TS]

00:23:09   tournament and I broke it and then the next year they didn't put that record in [TS]

00:23:13   because online they only printed it because it was one of their home team [TS]

00:23:16   players who had it made me mad [TS]

00:23:19   anyway there is a team in our county that we play a couple times a year and [TS]

00:23:22   there's a kid on the team who I'm guessing was born this way but you know [TS]

00:23:27   could have been an accident but he only had one hand and I think it was his left [TS]

00:23:32   hand and he was about my size and he was really was actually pretty good at [TS]

00:23:38   basketball and so because he was about my size i often guarded and I remember [TS]

00:23:44   early on maybe like 10th grade maybe 11th grade we're playing a summer league [TS]

00:23:47   game and I was guarding them and he was posted me up in other words he's backing [TS]

00:23:50   me down on the paint and so my chest is to his back [TS]

00:23:54   and it all of a sudden I felt on it did that the number that we're at the end i [TS]

00:24:00   can all just was sort of missing the hand and is his wrist ended with like a [TS]

00:24:04   little nub anything and all of a sudden I felt the nubbin in my hand and I [TS]

00:24:08   instinctively was just a little bit [TS]

00:24:12   honestly I was a little grossed out I took a step back and his teammate [TS]

00:24:15   passing the ball and he turned around and made a layup because i wasn't right [TS]

00:24:18   on his back anymore and I thought oh man and then like next possession or two you [TS]

00:24:24   know five two minutes later the same thing happens except he's like sticking [TS]

00:24:27   in my stomach and I thought son-of-a-bitch this guys doing it on [TS]

00:24:31   purpose and I was like I'm not gonna I'm not falling for this and I had told [TS]

00:24:35   nothing but I was like that that is I had nothing but respect for me but I [TS]

00:24:39   figured it out and I played him for years afterwards and he did it all the [TS]

00:24:41   time and i would i would tell my teammates [TS]

00:24:45   hey either let me garden or if you're going to garden know that he's gonna [TS]

00:24:49   he's gonna do this and I would watch you need to do it all the time and i have I [TS]

00:24:53   thought it was so gina was like a way of like him you know [TS]

00:24:56   hey this I have nothing but respect for the guy because he was actually a good [TS]

00:24:59   shooter he could you know shoot the 3-pointer and everything with one hand [TS]

00:25:03   then I like you wouldn't think so like anybody who said you wouldn't look at [TS]

00:25:07   another person criticized because of that kind of snow fair he's got long [TS]

00:25:10   legs or that got big hands or that guy's got long arms or a good I he's just he's [TS]

00:25:15   using what he's got effectively yeah and that's it's you know i'm not you know [TS]

00:25:20   have nothing but no complaint about it but it i thought it was genius i thought [TS]

00:25:23   it was a way of embracing you know taking a limitation and embracing and [TS]

00:25:28   making the most of it and i'll tell you it worked it absolutely love the first [TS]

00:25:31   time with me it worked like a charm and I remember when other people on my team [TS]

00:25:35   regarding them seeing at work and saying I told you he was gonna do that [TS]

00:25:42   ah sports [TS]

00:25:46   yeah I so we were going to talk about know there's anything else you want to [TS]

00:25:52   talk about front but we could talk about I want to talk about this AI stuff yeah [TS]

00:25:55   me too and I know it's driving people nuts [TS]

00:25:59   it's driving people nuts to call this a i and III don't know why I don't see how [TS]

00:26:04   anybody could deny that you know I i know there's you know some kind of [TS]

00:26:09   formal computer science PhD level definition of artificial intelligence in [TS]

00:26:14   that in some ways this doesn't apply but if if you took an Amazon echo back or [TS]

00:26:20   took someone I guess you can't take it back because it wouldn't have the [TS]

00:26:23   internet but took someone from 1978 to today and showed them an Amazon echo and [TS]

00:26:29   say is this artificial intelligence yes or no they're gonna say yes right right [TS]

00:26:34   it it's almost like every time we solve an AI problem once we solve it it it no [TS]

00:26:41   longer because is magical and therefore it no longer counts as a i j is only [TS]

00:26:45   just because you would understand how the effect was pulled off doesn't make [TS]

00:26:50   it a magic trick [TS]

00:26:51   I mean it's still it's still a magic trick even if you understand the effect [TS]

00:26:54   and to bring somebody from making 78 and I yell at my my dingus and say hey [TS]

00:26:58   Winston expert train coming [TS]

00:26:59   that's that's magic that feels like AI even if that's not what a computer [TS]

00:27:04   scientist would call it right even if like once you know how the trick is done [TS]

00:27:07   you're like well just hooks up to the the local api for your public is up to [TS]

00:27:14   the magic network in the sky that connects all computers oh by the way did [TS]

00:27:17   we mention there's a magic networking this guy that connects all computers now [TS]

00:27:20   oh by the way to mention everyone has computers in their pocket now right [TS]

00:27:24   if the device knows the weather because it's got a gps and you know knows your [TS]

00:27:30   zip code by the way we can predict weather now we need to be able to do [TS]

00:27:34   oh by the way your pocket advisor looks up to you by your computer makes a [TS]

00:27:37   beeping noise when it's about to rain in the next two minutes the devices know [TS]

00:27:41   where they are to within a house or to know your kind of cuisine that isn't [TS]

00:27:46   even popular yet that you can request in your neighborhood on your pocket [TS]

00:27:49   computer right look [TS]

00:27:52   yours look house this isn't a I your phone thinks it's next door [TS]

00:27:57   oh that's so stupid just because you say or do you just get you say to your your [TS]

00:28:04   pocket computer tell my wife i'll be running late and it knows that is that [TS]

00:28:08   there are of course the trick [TS]

00:28:09   that's a there's other little wizard inside of there do you know what I i try [TS]

00:28:14   to either thing is finding you saw in my my long discursive notes about this that [TS]

00:28:18   I guess I feel like part of it is I'm just trying to do two things one is I'm [TS]

00:28:22   trying to avoid using what I know to be terms of art so I mean people talk about [TS]

00:28:27   AI talk about machine learning and even getting a specific as saying Justin of [TS]

00:28:31   Syria or echo or what have you [TS]

00:28:34   it's just I'm more interested in what the stuff is doing for consumer and I [TS]

00:28:38   mean that requires a little bit of extrapolating about what's happening [TS]

00:28:41   technically behind it but i don't think that i don't think it makes it any less [TS]

00:28:44   fascinating what's happening when we don't call it a science a name i [TS]

00:28:50   completely agree [TS]

00:28:51   so I'm just brushing all this under the umbrella of AI because I don't know what [TS]

00:28:56   else to say it's you know I think separate invoices systems versus AI is [TS]

00:29:01   not not helpful when we get to all of the constituent parts that you know so [TS]

00:29:07   if we say Siri you know to paraphrase Raymond Carver we know what we talk [TS]

00:29:11   about when we talk about co which part of Syria you mean we're talking about [TS]

00:29:14   dictation are you talking about you know being able to interact with their talk [TS]

00:29:19   about the button on your phone like that means lots of different things and I [TS]

00:29:22   feel like to understand where this stuff is going it's very helpful [TS]

00:29:26   it's not helpful to fixate on what we call it it's helpful to focus on what it [TS]

00:29:32   does and what are the potential as far as i can tell in the machine no short to [TS]

00:29:37   medium-term what are the things that are likely to help or hinder the growth of [TS]

00:29:41   all of these various pieces that we losing the lights every time a holiday I [TS]

00:29:46   that's that's my feeling [TS]

00:29:47   you know if we just keep calling a week . so what does that mean is the kind of [TS]

00:29:51   thing you do when you're talking to your phone in your car [TS]

00:29:54   the same thing as what's happening when I have TT turns your humidifier off like [TS]

00:29:57   those are such different things and yet they are completely related because they [TS]

00:30:03   are part of this ecosystem down to the ability [TS]

00:30:06   set down to the ability to pick which florist you want to use when you talk [TS]

00:30:08   into your pocket computer [TS]

00:30:09   those are all part of the same system and I feel like we gets really confused [TS]

00:30:13   when people try to just keep throwing it throwing it under the bus by all by [TS]

00:30:17   calling it all this same like fruity future world stuff that nobody is ever [TS]

00:30:20   going to want a quick aside I've been struggling i think a lot of podcasters [TS]

00:30:25   struggle i know i have talking about this stuff because there's the phrase [TS]

00:30:29   you can say to address serie I that you don't want to say on a podcast because [TS]

00:30:35   it can trigger it on listeners phones and devices if they're not listening [TS]

00:30:40   with headphones and a reader suggested I i wrote this down and unfortunately I [TS]

00:30:45   did not write down his name and I'm sorry I'd love to give you credit [TS]

00:30:48   whoever you are I thank you [TS]

00:30:49   he his solution is that while we're talking about our podcast we can say hey [TS]

00:30:55   comma Siri how about kind of suggests that's very good i suggest another one [TS]

00:31:00   don't even better about your dingus [TS]

00:31:03   okay because that's not a trigger nothing right now although i might have [TS]

00:31:08   you and i start to start up with one of these things easy because i think we [TS]

00:31:14   would definitely call ours is the dinkus we are doing good [TS]

00:31:18   I can't have dead weight my incubator everythingís think it's alright I like [TS]

00:31:24   that too so i'm going to put that out there hey commissary if you want to talk [TS]

00:31:27   about Syrian particular and then we'll say yo dingus to address these things in [TS]

00:31:31   general I just think it's AI think the terminology is interesting because Siri [TS]

00:31:36   is an umbrella term for stuff that is not really AI like you said it's eat or [TS]

00:31:43   even we even call it Siri when you're just talking about voice dictation where [TS]

00:31:47   you just hit the little microphone to to dictate a text that you want typed out [TS]

00:31:53   you're not even asking a query or anything like that whereas google [TS]

00:31:58   doesn't really it seems like until very recently they didn't even have a name [TS]

00:32:03   for their thing I used to call it google now but then I found out google now [TS]

00:32:06   isn't really the AI think now is like they're contextual thing where they show [TS]

00:32:12   you cards based on what they think you want to see at the moment [TS]

00:32:17   and now they call it google assistant i guess for the private benefit their [TS]

00:32:23   brand to just to not overly disambiguate that by just getting used to the idea [TS]

00:32:28   that google is this big bunch of functionality that helps you with your [TS]

00:32:32   life so you know they might have brand names for things but i would think when [TS]

00:32:36   you hail it it's unlike the other ones it does make sense that you would say yo [TS]

00:32:39   google yeah i think that from a just a typical user standpoint it doesn't [TS]

00:32:44   matter because it all end and maybe it's less confusing for them to just think of [TS]

00:32:49   Google as a thing that they can talk to instead of just type at you just just [TS]

00:32:55   just give it to us just tell us what you want and we'll just because it's it's [TS]

00:32:58   it's shockingly fast that I mean it's right there one of the distinctions are [TS]

00:33:01   making their i mention this couple is going back to work is you know there are [TS]

00:33:05   a lot of folks who understandably gave up on everything serie a long time ago [TS]

00:33:10   which I have to say is somewhat understandable given the basic way most [TS]

00:33:14   of us deal with this stuff which is we try it it works or doesn't work we tried [TS]

00:33:18   again it works or doesn't work and eventually in a fit of pique you go [TS]

00:33:22   this is not for me this is for nerds and that was it was true Syria for a long [TS]

00:33:26   time but since he got better than Cirie got way better but one way in which has [TS]

00:33:30   been good for a long time so what I'm trying to sell people on this idea that [TS]

00:33:33   not only well the important part is serious better than you think the [TS]

00:33:37   important part is hey get used to it like start using this because this is [TS]

00:33:41   where stuff is going pal [TS]

00:33:43   so what I would say to people is if you're frustrated with searing you know [TS]

00:33:46   not understanding your request if you don't feel comfortable with the series [TS]

00:33:50   service getting your voice in functionally working which can vary a [TS]

00:33:53   lot depending on your connection stuff like that one test I just said three [TS]

00:33:57   times in the next week [TS]

00:33:59   try using dictation where you would normally type don't talk too fast [TS]

00:34:03   don't talk too slow don't talk to allow don't talk too quiet just talk to it and [TS]

00:34:08   I think a lot of folks might be a little bit really interested in it [TS]

00:34:12   given that for long sentence too short paragraph length things if you know what [TS]

00:34:18   it is that you want to say I can pretty much guarantee even including time for [TS]

00:34:22   corrections it will be faster than typing [TS]

00:34:25   let's talk about dictation here as against tell me the weather in bank [TS]

00:34:29   yeah i remember a couple years ago and I had the finger injury and I couldn't [TS]

00:34:35   couldn't type with my left hand for a couple of weeks and i had to use [TS]

00:34:38   dictation and I i ended up getting a lot of work done by installing the dragon [TS]

00:34:43   naturallyspeaking thing on the Mac you know they didn't have anything like that [TS]

00:34:47   for iphone and so I really like it [TS]

00:34:50   you know I'm lucky because by my finger made a full recovery now so I mean but [TS]

00:34:55   there's there's people like like my aforementioned opponent basketball who's [TS]

00:35:00   you know hand is not gonna come back right so anything that would help i mean [TS]

00:35:04   there's Jack people with genuine permanent accessibility needs that [TS]

00:35:08   dictation can really really be helpful and it really wasn't there i think that [TS]

00:35:15   was like twenty twelve hours how it's been a and it you know it was better [TS]

00:35:21   than nothing but it was better than not having the feature in iOS but boy I wish [TS]

00:35:25   it was as good as it is now because i find you know like having just come off [TS]

00:35:29   the winter where it really you know when you're all bundled up and you can't [TS]

00:35:34   really type while you're walking around a cold City the dictation feature i [TS]

00:35:37   think it works amazingly well compared to where it was it still has much room [TS]

00:35:41   for improvement but like I agree and I mean I played with thumb i mean its [TS]

00:35:45   nuances at the company that makes you can dictate I mean and they for a long [TS]

00:35:49   time have been there engine has been way ahead of everybody else is as far as i [TS]

00:35:52   know but i mean you know i think well except maybe Google's right even and [TS]

00:35:57   ideas like getting it working that David sparks's of the world can work Dragon [TS]

00:36:02   Dictate like emacs where they understand it and it understands them i found it's [TS]

00:36:07   super frustrating to train and retrain and I never got invested enough in it to [TS]

00:36:11   like really use it [TS]

00:36:13   whereas as you say I mean it's something syracuse often talks about just started [TS]

00:36:17   making have sometimes of going to the google app hitting the microphone and [TS]

00:36:20   talking and it is shocking how fast you can see the transcription happening as [TS]

00:36:24   you're speaking the corrections now the way serie finally does now you can watch [TS]

00:36:27   it making contextual create a corrections is now an apple TV we [TS]

00:36:32   understand you probably mean the name of an actor rather than a [TS]

00:36:35   homonym mm you see that tap that has come so far even in the last two years [TS]

00:36:40   that really and apple TV did the correction the contextual corrections as [TS]

00:36:46   you said are very evident because it shows you the words as as it comes up it [TS]

00:36:52   has trouble titles titles can mean and be many things in many different [TS]

00:36:55   languages and there's plenty of room for you know as I say how the common [TS]

00:36:59   sound-alikes but if you're looking for an actor it's amazing organ music artist [TS]

00:37:04   it's amazing how often it gets right on the first try [TS]

00:37:06   yeah and some titles use such common words and that they're relatively short [TS]

00:37:11   that the context isn't there i'll give you a specific example Jonas had a [TS]

00:37:15   friend sleepover last weekend and the movie that they decided to watch and [TS]

00:37:21   they did truly they have excellent taste was John Carpenter's The Thing home man [TS]

00:37:26   a great movie [TS]

00:37:29   oh I haven't seen it in forever i wish i was your last year it's it's still [TS]

00:37:33   terrifying I'd more or less completely forgotten it but show me the thing did [TS]

00:37:39   haha and i don't blame like I don't play mp3 or foo and they do both kids really [TS]

00:37:49   love the series but they don't love the remote but they love the idea that you [TS]

00:37:52   can just push the button and say things you know like show me that you know [TS]

00:37:56   Terminator 2 and and that it shows it to you and they were you know going through [TS]

00:38:01   making like a list of like here's here's like five or six movies were thinking [TS]

00:38:04   about and but show me the thing didn't work and I just remember noting you know [TS]

00:38:08   file that one away that's a good good example where i canno totally understand [TS]

00:38:15   why it didn't work but that one's done especially thorny one but if you don't [TS]

00:38:18   mind getting a little bit bash with it you can sometimes hint it a little bit [TS]

00:38:22   by saying arm find find the TV show Doctor Who write or say one plate [TS]

00:38:30   play the band band of horses or whatever show me the movie the thing [TS]

00:38:34   exactly yeah i think that would probably work i forget what we and in fact I [TS]

00:38:39   think that's what we did to to you know get it going [TS]

00:38:46   it's amazing they also any one of our favorite things is I mean I i have i [TS]

00:38:50   still have bitches about the apple TV that are out of the scope of this show [TS]

00:38:53   but you know as somebody who buys a lot a lot a lot of stuff on the itunes store [TS]

00:38:58   one of my biggest frustrations is the bigger fan you are of a TV show the more [TS]

00:39:02   likely you are to find it [TS]

00:39:04   inscrutable so like in the case again doctor who or in the case of shark tank [TS]

00:39:08   which yes i bought several seasons stuff you when you bring up that page you say [TS]

00:39:13   find fine doctor who and says this doctor who and say yes this document [TS]

00:39:18   pulls it up and now you gotta go through in chronological order like starting [TS]

00:39:23   from the earliest season that you've bought a video with this you can do that [TS]

00:39:26   horizontal scroll yes yes my car latest trick is find the latest episode of [TS]

00:39:31   shark tank who pops right up [TS]

00:39:33   that's that's a great thing where like you know you may not think of Syria's [TS]

00:39:36   being or voice control as being the fastest way to get to something I can [TS]

00:39:40   damn near promise you that is the fastest way to get the latest episode of [TS]

00:39:43   a TV show but it seems there there's definitely some frustrations there [TS]

00:39:48   though where if if you do the up-down left-right it seems like it should it [TS]

00:39:53   should recognize hey you've seen a lot of these shows you probably want to [TS]

00:39:57   watch the new one as opposed to starting you an episode for season one that [TS]

00:40:01   wasn't even HBO which has one of the crummiest apps on appletv prettiest bad [TS]

00:40:06   apps even they have a two level hierarchy for its d 1 season 2 season 3 [TS]

00:40:09   season 4 we can please jump into going in in straight chronological but you can [TS]

00:40:14   jump to a season but but you know it's you know think for a lot of us it is [TS]

00:40:18   still a case of remembering to use this and I guess that it helps to bracket [TS]

00:40:23   it's your show but I mean we have two brackets some of the stuff we can talk [TS]

00:40:25   about every concern about you know privacy [TS]

00:40:28   although that's certainly an issue we can talk about every issue related to [TS]

00:40:30   commerce I think there's still the barrier of getting people to remember [TS]

00:40:34   that this is there and then learning enough to know what it's capable of and [TS]

00:40:38   I think outside of our bubble that's a much smaller group than a lot of people [TS]

00:40:42   are aware of it especially for people in the bubble [TS]

00:40:45   I don't like how often do you see people using Siri like on the street like not a [TS]

00:40:50   time in my case no now and I think within the bubble I think you made a [TS]

00:40:55   good point couple minutes ago where I think I'll awful lot of people tried it [TS]

00:40:59   circuit 2011-2012 and got the shits of it and just sort of filed it away as [TS]

00:41:06   something that's not worth trying [TS]

00:41:08   I was fighting experiment because it was hard to know which part of it was not [TS]

00:41:12   working and even as a non engineer i can guess that there are several parts that [TS]

00:41:15   might not work [TS]

00:41:16   it might be that there was a physical occlusion where it did not get to the [TS]

00:41:20   microphone maybe I had my finger there right [TS]

00:41:22   if it did get to the microphone did it capture what I said if it captured what [TS]

00:41:26   I said wasn't able to throw it up to the cloud if it through it up to the cloud [TS]

00:41:30   wasn't able to understand what i said if i understood what I said was enabled [TS]

00:41:34   energy follow like I feel like there's probably at least three or four little [TS]

00:41:38   milestones between coming out of my mouth and doing a thing where it could [TS]

00:41:42   go wrong and any problems with connectivity would greatly exacerbate [TS]

00:41:46   even how well the product worked at best [TS]

00:41:49   yeah I've had the same experience with Apple maps where it's like I i was on a [TS]

00:41:53   podcast with josh Topolsky a couple months ago and he couldn't believe that [TS]

00:41:56   I use Apple maps and I was like well when's the last time you tried it and he [TS]

00:41:59   was like I don't know never because it's terrible and i might get so much better [TS]

00:42:03   that was it really it it's actually pretty good and I know that I i say that [TS]

00:42:08   and I heard from people around the world and there was somebody you know it [TS]

00:42:11   somewhere in the middle of Sweden news like where's where Apple maps thinks my [TS]

00:42:15   neighborhood looks like and it's like blank you know with a with a lake and so [TS]

00:42:19   yeah obviously right you know but here in you know it the places I go you know [TS]

00:42:25   here in Philadelphia New York City California the places I've i tend to go [TS]

00:42:31   or Apple maps is actually very good and it does things like just last week Amy [TS]

00:42:36   and I had to go to some store out way outside the city and the path that we [TS]

00:42:44   were originally on at traffic and middle of the directions series said you know [TS]

00:42:49   forget the prompt but something like you know traffic ahead you can save 10 [TS]

00:42:54   minutes if you change you know [TS]

00:42:56   and we're like okay sure tell us where in the city i use is up maps all time I [TS]

00:43:00   didn't know that we whenever we're traveling use ways ways is something I [TS]

00:43:03   would never use anywhere that it's just too it's too crafty to use anywhere that [TS]

00:43:07   I know where I'm going but we're traveling it will frequently say hey you [TS]

00:43:10   know pop off at this exit [TS]

00:43:12   down this dirt road for two exits on a dirt road and you'll actually get there [TS]

00:43:16   faster than if you stayed on the interstate [TS]

00:43:18   I didn't know Apple maps did that that's new media but I I i just think that [TS]

00:43:23   there's a general problem where if you start like the way that iíve written [TS]

00:43:27   many times and the how apple rolls piece that i have a mac world from a few years [TS]

00:43:32   ago still probably the best thing I've ever written about the company that the [TS]

00:43:35   way Apple makes things as they make a thing and at first it's here it is a big [TS]

00:43:40   surprise and then year after year after year they just keep making a little [TS]

00:43:43   better a little better a little better a little better you know in these [TS]

00:43:46   increments and it that's the that's apple and that's the way you make things [TS]

00:43:52   better and better and better and it's not about these massive you know [TS]

00:43:57   explosive surprise announcements every single time but i think the problem is [TS]

00:44:02   if if you launch with something that's so disappointing that it makes people [TS]

00:44:05   not even check out the iterative improvements a problem like there's a [TS]

00:44:09   certain minimum quality you have to meet and I know that there were business [TS]

00:44:13   development reasons why they launched maps when they did you know that they [TS]

00:44:16   they were sort of in the negotiating battle with google and it wasn't really [TS]

00:44:20   so much a choice as to okay this is good enough [TS]

00:44:22   it was like we've got to launch it no matter what right now because you know [TS]

00:44:27   we we've either got a launcher renew this deal with google that we don't want [TS]

00:44:30   to renew now think about in the age well in really in any age since yahoo but [TS]

00:44:39   definitely want there's altavista orgies or Google or Bing or whatever [TS]

00:44:44   don't say porn but what's the first thing everybody looks for when they go [TS]

00:44:48   in search search on your name right so if you search for your name that I mean [TS]

00:44:53   let's plan for tonight [TS]

00:44:55   I support him and John Gruber porn 17 million returns just I just to make sure [TS]

00:45:05   nothing comes up [TS]

00:45:06   haha i don't want to know but if you went so like you know especially back in [TS]

00:45:11   the day when they're in other words there was there was still the potential [TS]

00:45:15   of somebody unseating google as the king of that I guess you know a lot of people [TS]

00:45:17   like being whatever but whenever anything new comes along where there [TS]

00:45:21   might be information about you about that's the first thing you do and then [TS]

00:45:23   you evaluate you [TS]

00:45:25   within the period of like what 90 seconds you might make a overarching [TS]

00:45:29   decision about the quality of that based on how that comports with your own idea [TS]

00:45:34   of what should be there in what order right so you know if it doesn't find [TS]

00:45:39   anybody with your name at all [TS]

00:45:40   you make a while thats that this is garbage I think the same is true with [TS]

00:45:43   Syria where like even when you would try the UH the stock searches on it and it [TS]

00:45:49   was seen sometimes it would just have trouble and you didn't know why would [TS]

00:45:52   you say whatever series unavailable right now you know whereas I mean to get [TS]

00:45:56   out what you put up something like hound and completely bananas stuff you can do [TS]

00:46:00   with how it's so fast and so good at parsing really complex stuff but you [TS]

00:46:04   know what guess what how and how does not have a little button on the device [TS]

00:46:08   the right so it's gonna lose it that in the same way that any other device so [TS]

00:46:13   you know this is serious just recognition well serious also the fact [TS]

00:46:17   that there's a button that connects with your contacts that can do functional [TS]

00:46:19   things nothing else can do that in the apple ecosystem right now and even more [TS]

00:46:24   now it's it's not just the button it's the always listening microphone for yo [TS]

00:46:29   dingus and that's where that's where i am feeling what people felt with Syria I [TS]

00:46:34   have a terrible time getting we talked about this summer on Twitter I'm my-my [TS]

00:46:40   slugging percentage on yo dingus even when it's plugged in not great [TS]

00:46:46   I slugging percentage for your dingus on my Apple watch is not stellar I mean [TS]

00:46:49   it'sit's pretty bad and other people seem to have zero problem with it [TS]

00:46:53   I don't know what I don't know either i I've i forgot i honestly forgot that [TS]

00:47:00   Apple watch had yo dinguses I because it was so bad at first and then when we had [TS]

00:47:05   that discussion on Twitter recently i thought let me start trying again and it [TS]

00:47:09   seems better than it was when I gave up on it any worse the demos because [TS]

00:47:17   everything i want to show something amazing that quicksilver style thing I [TS]

00:47:20   wanted them over somebody the thing that I want to show that's amazing never [TS]

00:47:23   works and when I went and conversely when I want to demonstrate how something [TS]

00:47:26   never works it always works so in been bitching about this the other day on [TS]

00:47:30   back to work i invoke your dingus am I look down my Apple watch was recording [TS]

00:47:34   everything that i was saying but I'm Bob on phone [TS]

00:47:38   a sewing machine learning in AI doesn't feel a bit like the google i/o [TS]

00:47:48   announcements have slightly attenuated and slightly pivoted the way we talk [TS]

00:47:55   about this stuff like I did not hear so many people talking about a time machine [TS]

00:48:00   learning two months ago as much as I do now it feels like they have already had [TS]

00:48:04   I feel like anyway they had a role in directing this discussion even though [TS]

00:48:07   there's a bunch of unreleased stuff to wish that refers i think so i definitely [TS]

00:48:14   i could be wrong [TS]

00:48:15   I just feel like usually people say specifically oh I love my echo you know [TS]

00:48:19   there's things i like about Syria etc but you know now that Google's in the [TS]

00:48:24   game i think people might be taking a little more seriously I i think so too [TS]

00:48:29   and I think that it's it's just so couldn't be more in their wheelhouse and [TS]

00:48:35   you know that gets somewhat gets into marcos argument that it just doesn't it [TS]

00:48:40   it does that from a certain viewpoint it looks like how can Apple ever catch up [TS]

00:48:45   to google in this regard in the same way that it doesn't I don't think I think [TS]

00:48:49   you can make the same argument that like in terms of like frame rate of animation [TS]

00:48:53   and smoothness of the UI androids never going to catch up to have ios right on [TS]

00:48:58   but that you know the question is where do they get to good enough like his [TS]

00:49:03   android good enough i think for you know some people that obviously it is and [TS]

00:49:08   good enough in the AI sense maybe it maybe the difference is too too far [TS]

00:49:16   apart i think it's i think it's a bummer that you know marker got piled on in [TS]

00:49:21   that way because i think what he's saying is very smart i mean if i were [TS]

00:49:24   gonna in the you know as a monday-morning quarterback is what i [TS]

00:49:27   would say right now is the problem with Apple as as Apple exist right now they [TS]

00:49:32   have a pretty low ceiling were like if things get as great as they can get in [TS]

00:49:37   the current state they're still not going to be that great because on the [TS]

00:49:40   one hand you have google who has shown how quickly they can do great things [TS]

00:49:44   with services and how much they are willing able and excited to integrate [TS]

00:49:50   stuff they know about you your personal data [TS]

00:49:52   to make that into a no-no say what you will about privacy in your concerns but [TS]

00:49:56   there are a lot of folks out there like me who use google products because they [TS]

00:50:00   feel like the payout is there like what I get in return for what they're doing [TS]

00:50:04   with that day is extremely useful and then on the other hand like you know the [TS]

00:50:08   sprite now for now rumors aside series still closed system whereas i get it i [TS]

00:50:13   can email every friday from amazon about new stuff I can't do with the echo new [TS]

00:50:17   skills and stuff it's not always you know earth-shattering stuff but there's [TS]

00:50:20   always at least a couple new things a week that it does and i'm forever [TS]

00:50:24   discovering new stuff the echo can do that I didn't know and for now with [TS]

00:50:27   apple until we learn more about what their plan is you know if it I mean even [TS]

00:50:33   if they're if the reliability dependability all that stuff becomes [TS]

00:50:36   flawless even if it works great in a car even if the mic gets better you're still [TS]

00:50:39   going to be kind of stuck out what Siri wants to or can do right now and that's [TS]

00:50:43   it's nowhere i guess we I feel like a lot of us thought they'd be further [TS]

00:50:47   along faster by now right just because they launched first and it doesn't see [TS]

00:50:52   my kids [TS]

00:50:53   it seems like and again I don't want to slide on it because i think on the grand [TS]

00:50:57   scheme of nerds i'm actually a pro Siri how I involve solutely yeah but I think [TS]

00:51:05   there's a good argument to be made that what Siri is good at now is the stuff [TS]

00:51:10   that it was supposed to be good at originally right like it hasn't really [TS]

00:51:14   expanded as as far outside the original feature set [TS]

00:51:20   I mean it definitely has additional data sources that it didn't and just the roll [TS]

00:51:25   back to the beginning of the show it it definitely knows a lot more about sports [TS]

00:51:28   then it used to like i said last week it i think last week or the week before but [TS]

00:51:33   it can even do things like and this is just one of those things that I was like [TS]

00:51:36   there's no way over is it over under that one yet over . spread you get . [TS]

00:51:40   spreads are the over-under you know you get these vegas lines and it's like I [TS]

00:51:43   thought there's no way that's gonna work because a it's a little CD you know the [TS]

00:51:48   fellow idea of gambling on sports is a little CD in it sort of works against [TS]

00:51:52   the what they allow they allow an app that does yeah I don't know but it's [TS]

00:52:00   like in the way that like every single cruise ship in the world has a casino [TS]

00:52:04   except for disney's Christian [TS]

00:52:05   because right it's disney and you know that's not a surprise but so you know I [TS]

00:52:11   was a little color me pleasantly surprised that Siri can tell you the [TS]

00:52:14   point spread of upcoming games i thought that was pretty interesting [TS]

00:52:18   yeah i mean but it was just sort of thing that I think people just don't [TS]

00:52:20   even try anymore [TS]

00:52:23   well you know it's always such a joyful feeling as a as an Apple user as a Mac [TS]

00:52:27   user in particular and peculiar joy of power users for years to have this [TS]

00:52:30   experience that I haven't seen replicated in that many other places [TS]

00:52:33   this for example is coming that's not gonna happen with the ion with the [TS]

00:52:38   dashboard experience of any car with Apple sometimes you'll say hmm wonder [TS]

00:52:43   what will happen if i do this and you do something you didn't look it up intro [TS]

00:52:47   you didn't learn a key command you didn't read a PDF you just do a thing [TS]

00:52:50   and it does exactly what you might have prayed that it would do you never had [TS]

00:52:56   this experience with apple stuff [TS]

00:52:58   yes we see what happens if I swipe all my god this changes everything and you [TS]

00:53:02   going [TS]

00:53:02   how did this not why is this something that you know for example what I'm [TS]

00:53:05   always telling people about option click on the speaker in your menu bar in OS 10 [TS]

00:53:10   you know this i think so but what happens when you get oh yeah you get the [TS]

00:53:16   is input sources lot of people don't know if you option cuz it's not obvious [TS]

00:53:20   if you option click on the speaker you get options to change your input and [TS]

00:53:23   output devices which saves me an hour a week probably not a big deal [TS]

00:53:28   um but you're accepting that many places this is the thing that I love about the [TS]

00:53:34   mac and I've always loved about the mac is that yes there are you could say it's [TS]

00:53:39   not discoverable but if you were going to guess how do you do it you would if [TS]

00:53:43   you any and you know the mac you know that it would be the option key like if [TS]

00:53:48   i said to you right there is a way there's a way to change the speaker menu [TS]

00:53:52   up in the menu bar to get a different menu but you have to hold down a [TS]

00:53:56   combination of keys while you click what keys one or more keys do you have to [TS]

00:54:00   hold I would instantly guess you just hold the option key because that's and [TS]

00:54:05   it actually makes sense semantically with the word option right it wouldn't [TS]

00:54:08   be command it wouldn't be control it would definitely be on it should [TS]

00:54:13   definitely be option and in fact it is option [TS]

00:54:16   if you tried it for other things now you click on option click I never thought to [TS]

00:54:21   do this you option click on Wi-Fi you think so yeah a diagnostic report you [TS]

00:54:25   can find some nerd information do it on doing on a Bluetooth again lots of nerd [TS]

00:54:31   options under their information is displayed clever nobody needs to know [TS]

00:54:35   that exist unless you need to know that exists but anyway I just meant that the [TS]

00:54:39   service is saying like Apple has a great history of putting stuff in there were [TS]

00:54:42   hey you're going to learn if you're on a Macintosh long enough you're gonna learn [TS]

00:54:46   there's at least two ways to do almost everything you don't have to learn one [TS]

00:54:50   or the other but you know you will eventually learn that there's a way that [TS]

00:54:54   comports with how you want to roll and if you don't know hit command shift ? [TS]

00:54:56   enter the name of what you think you want it will magically appear in the [TS]

00:55:00   menu bar so remember was just with system 7 there was like when you first [TS]

00:55:04   ran it there was like a little I don't know if they made it with HyperCard or [TS]

00:55:08   not but it was sort of a HyperCard type thing that would it was like the first [TS]

00:55:11   run experience and it was like a little cartoon guy who would teach you a couple [TS]

00:55:17   of shortcuts like that like it was I got a help menu that you could you could [TS]

00:55:23   bring it up again with and it was sort of like show me show me some of the [TS]

00:55:25   advanced tricks like being able to use command up and down arrow to go up and [TS]

00:55:31   down folders in the hierarchy from the keyboard thats i love that kind of stuff [TS]

00:55:36   they were so great that stuff but you know [TS]

00:55:39   so let me ask a question i mean remember the announcement of home kit was kind of [TS]

00:55:43   alongside a lot of other this kit that kid all this does is going to come out [TS]

00:55:45   eventually the whatever the medical stuff in the the what's called apple [TS]

00:55:52   health but like for example like how many how many things do you have running [TS]

00:55:56   on home kit right now nothing zero for me too I swear to god I'm not I'm not [TS]

00:56:00   trying to be no I right I look through the list i finally got an appt off the [TS]

00:56:05   store called home that gives you a look of easy way to like if you've got this [TS]

00:56:10   for that device it's got this in an inscrutable list of all these what [TS]

00:56:14   appear to be like hundred i don't have any of those devices and I've got like [TS]

00:56:17   I've got two kinds of security cameras three kinds of I've got Hugh lights [TS]

00:56:23   I mean there's stuff you can do but like you know when they announce something [TS]

00:56:26   like home kit you think like oh my gosh I maybe [TS]

00:56:29   three months away from being able to talk to my house like who came on your [TS]

00:56:34   own and of course you know you get into the reality distortion field now I'm [TS]

00:56:36   thinking oh my gosh how soon will it be before there's an apple device that [TS]

00:56:40   replaces the airport and the time machine that like it's everything you'd [TS]

00:56:43   want in an airport in time machine [TS]

00:56:45   plus it's a home hub plus if you know what I mean on and on and on and now [TS]

00:56:48   we're like twirling our thumbs going like okay what's the next thing I cannot [TS]

00:56:52   talk to my phone and do like what's going to happen with that stuff is that [TS]

00:56:55   going anywhere [TS]

00:56:56   we don't have that same confidence that all these pieces are going to fit [TS]

00:56:59   together help we need we put on the ATV for you flip it on you can't even like [TS]

00:57:03   you series for music what a weird oversight like that was so strange [TS]

00:57:07   like how do you have all these strands not being sewn together in the system [TS]

00:57:10   with all these parts of the ecosystem need really want to be interlocked and [TS]

00:57:16   like how is that not happening [TS]

00:57:17   yeah I don't know if I could see it too as i could see where on the one hand [TS]

00:57:23   maybe it's like hey just wait [TS]

00:57:25   we just need another year or two or be a pessimist take would be that Apple's we [TS]

00:57:33   control everything everything gets authorized through us you submit your [TS]

00:57:37   home kit stuff to us and we say whether it you know gets the stamp of approval [TS]

00:57:42   on that the equivalent of mfi yeah the equivalent of mfi or the app store even [TS]

00:57:49   you know that sort of mindset versus the Amazons take which is more or less [TS]

00:57:57   look you know we've made echo work with these things and we have some api's and [TS]

00:58:01   and it's you know if it works you just build an echo app and submit it to us [TS]

00:58:05   and you know we'll throw it out the newsletter on friday right you know [TS]

00:58:10   because right now you could certainly you know you know you can do stuff with [TS]

00:58:14   the echo and I know that the people who are the bigger fans of it have stuff [TS]

00:58:17   like that I know marcos got hooked up to some light bulbs and stuff like that i [TS]

00:58:21   do i use the echo from my office lights [TS]

00:58:23   I've got it so I mean this is one of those like this is not a terribly [TS]

00:58:27   complex thing to set up i have the and so here's a real it's real simple [TS]

00:58:31   example I have a motion sensor in my office that you know basically connected [TS]

00:58:37   by Wi-Fi and then i have to is Wemo wmo is the company [TS]

00:58:42   they have to Wemo plugs they're just simple 0 or 1 dislike is either on or [TS]

00:58:45   off [TS]

00:58:46   I don't need to switch only use the Wemo could not do this at home does my [TS]

00:58:50   daughter does not want to have to use an iphone to turn lights on and off that's [TS]

00:58:52   not gonna happen but in my case I walk into my office the motion sensor turns [TS]

00:58:57   the lights on [TS]

00:58:59   I can also say yo dingus to my deck so your dingus turn my office lights off [TS]

00:59:03   and I've set up a thing where it knows office lights means these two wheel [TS]

00:59:06   lights further i have an ifttt set up such that when I'm away from my office [TS]

00:59:11   or move out of the radius of my office or 30 minutes pass without movement it [TS]

00:59:16   turns the lights off so that whole thing all the set up every bit of that to set [TS]

00:59:20   up what 45 minutes half hour and now I don't think about it but there's not [TS]

00:59:25   that many more things like that that I have right now i can use when you say yo [TS]

00:59:29   dinguses turn my lights off how long does it take for the light school um i [TS]

00:59:36   would say less than two seconds when we tested it and now you don't have to test [TS]

00:59:42   it I've does it feel as though as as responsive as if you like had like an [TS]

00:59:49   intern and that part of part of the interns job was to be ready to turn the [TS]

00:59:53   lights off at a moment's notice may not necessarily not necessarily standing [TS]

00:59:58   around with it with their heads [TS]

00:59:58   around with it with their heads [TS]

01:00:00   and on this which part you know like like like the trigger finger not like [TS]

01:00:05   that but just like hey you just hang out in the office and have a you know have a [TS]

01:00:09   button nearby and if you you know if i take the turn the lights off turn the [TS]

01:00:12   lights off like is it about that responsive second male do it 100% [TS]

01:00:17   understands me [TS]

01:00:18   I mean it's very obvious one percent that's silly it i can count on one hand [TS]

01:00:23   the number of times it did not understand something i spoke clearly the [TS]

01:00:26   echo just gets that i would say imagine you're eight feet away from the garbage [TS]

01:00:32   can you got two paper towels to throw away . that amount of time [TS]

01:00:36   let me test it and just cut this out . cut the marker this alexa turn my office [TS]

01:00:42   lights on on there on ready to party Alexa turn my office lights off off [TS]

01:00:53   so there you go what is that about second two seconds [TS]

01:00:58   yeah that sounds that you know I think that was actually you know the not quite [TS]

01:01:04   instantaneous but i would say satisfyingly close [TS]

01:01:09   well it's for me it's well within the range of that's fine yeah motion [TS]

01:01:14   detection turns it on and see it to me turning on turning on is much more [TS]

01:01:19   important and turning off turning on if I walk into the office I know with [TS]

01:01:23   confidence that when I walk into the office I can either address the echo to [TS]

01:01:25   turn on or I can just walk in like a gentleman [TS]

01:01:27   it will see my motion and turn it on so I mean that that's that's plenty fine [TS]

01:01:31   for me I don't need high-performance like d powering its underneath the [TS]

01:01:35   threshold of impatience i will write that will absolutely and it's also a lot [TS]

01:01:41   better than a bad day with the apple TV remote right like their eyes just were [TS]

01:01:46   not responding and I don't know why [TS]

01:01:51   alright means any change the subject but now but if you'd like if you're out [TS]

01:01:54   there ear in I message and you're dictating a text message and instead of [TS]

01:01:59   words showing up you get the spinner and it just spend and you're like that [TS]

01:02:05   to do i cancel dyke is this going to take it's do i just need to wait and my [TS]

01:02:09   words are gonna show up or should i cancel and try it again around you [TS]

01:02:13   once you once you're even thinking about that decision you've already crossed the [TS]

01:02:16   inpatient threshold because even if the world when Wi-Fi is bad you posted [TS]

01:02:20   something to Twitter you think it's like fifty percent greyed out meaning it's [TS]

01:02:24   still posting and you're like what world of mine right now I mean it's a posting [TS]

01:02:28   is it not posting we start to feel a bit crazy that kind of feeling [TS]

01:02:33   yeah I think so I'd you know and exactly what did you demo you just did live on [TS]

01:02:38   the show was is exactly to me at the heart of the the praise that the alexa [TS]

01:02:46   or do I guess the echo what everyone I don't know what to give credit to but [TS]

01:02:49   that the Amazons dinguses is getting I'm like it i can just yell and I could say [TS]

01:02:56   like how am i doing with Fitbit I could say play the latest episode of fresh air [TS]

01:03:00   there's there's a menu and the one beef some people have just in passing is yeah [TS]

01:03:06   I mean there's more to learn because there's more to do [TS]

01:03:09   it's not as simple as just saying Syria hey do this obvious thing you've been [TS]

01:03:12   doing for five years [TS]

01:03:13   like with the echo there's it does enough stuff that you have to do a [TS]

01:03:16   little bit of command line with it right you got a little bit of bosch like [TS]

01:03:19   address the right thing but it's it's shockingly good hearing that even kind [TS]

01:03:25   of far away in the house and come forever yelling at my phone across the [TS]

01:03:29   room to set a timer and have I'm not only to pitch I'm just saying that like [TS]

01:03:33   there's benefits to all these things and you know the echo is the one that got [TS]

01:03:37   traction surprised everybody everybody's like all this crazy thing is crazy [TS]

01:03:40   feature to the lady in the tube who's gonna buy this [TS]

01:03:43   well people did and they loved it in Ione to now and i don't consider it [TS]

01:03:49   essential but i consider it in the aggregate more useful than my Apple [TS]

01:03:53   watch and I think it has a brighter future [TS]

01:03:55   alright let's keep going on this but first I want to thank our second sponsor [TS]

01:03:58   of the day and it's are our good friends at mat.com again again again get [TS]

01:04:08   you thought I you know they're the daily deal site you go there you get a daily [TS]

01:04:12   deal the daily deal today then again this is too late for you its already not [TS]

01:04:16   only is the show going to be out you know today later two days later but just [TS]

01:04:21   as an example of how good this is this this this is a FoodSaver vacuum sealing [TS]

01:04:26   system it is refurbished but that's you know it's still that segment you get for [TS]

01:04:30   22 bucks they even tell you what it costs $MONEY at amazon it costs a [TS]

01:04:33   hundred and two bucks at amazon so that's it you know 5x higher almost you [TS]

01:04:39   know crazy it's some of the deals they have it really does make me wonder [TS]

01:04:42   whether they're getting stuff off the back of the truck like Ellis it's what I [TS]

01:04:47   do we as this stuff is so delightfully weird they are that such a strange [TS]

01:04:52   company and they've sponsored back to work not too long ago and they're [TS]

01:04:55   special the day the day we did it was to folding knives like to switch blade ii [TS]

01:05:01   like pocket knives and I just think you should get a nice technique with tuna [TS]

01:05:05   right or you get if they if you're going into if you're going into a bar and they [TS]

01:05:10   have the bouncer take your one knife you still got a backup nah you didn't check [TS]

01:05:14   the sock sucker but they've got other stuff to think i told you that the just [TS]

01:05:21   there right up to the daily deals are worth reading [TS]

01:05:23   they've got these videos but they've also got this these community forums and [TS]

01:05:27   it's you know you type in it for me stuff but on these forums they're doing [TS]

01:05:31   interesting stuff like commissioning articles from real writers so they [TS]

01:05:35   commissioned friend of the show sometimes guest on the show Glenn [TS]

01:05:39   fleischmann to do it a two-part history of all caps being interpreted as [TS]

01:05:47   shouting in written language [TS]

01:05:50   they've got also sorts of great stuff like that actual content like you could [TS]

01:05:56   go to medcom on a regular basis and never want by the daily deal and it just [TS]

01:06:01   it's just a site where you go to read cool stuff so Glenn placements articles [TS]

01:06:06   on the all caps is it's almost like clickbait for me because i love you know [TS]

01:06:11   that type of analysis of how you read in your head and it goes back to like the [TS]

01:06:16   eighteen-hundreds it's crazy done all this research to go to medicom check out [TS]

01:06:20   the forums [TS]

01:06:21   and check out their daily deals [TS]

01:06:25   it's not what you think what you think that do you think the third sponsors [TS]

01:06:30   gonna be you guys no fracture not something that won't spoil all right I'm [TS]

01:06:40   you think it's a problem so you hinted at this and in some ways this this voice [TS]

01:06:48   assistant space is almost the it's almost the the conceptual opposite of [TS]

01:06:54   iOS insofar as most of iOS and certainly iOS starting in 2007-2008 in the early [TS]

01:07:04   years was entirely visual and it anything you could do was represented on [TS]

01:07:12   screen by some sort of physical visual object and to me it's actually and Oh [TS]

01:07:18   overlooked aspect of the genius of iOS is design that they they didn't go with [TS]

01:07:27   some sort of like what are our fabulous new phone user interface going to be [TS]

01:07:31   like and they didn't try to do something that makes regular people say wow this [TS]

01:07:35   is so conceptually clever and said they did like the most obvious thing possible [TS]

01:07:40   which was like hey just like the old palm pilots or you know there's a bunch [TS]

01:07:44   of apps tap on the app and it launches the app and when the app is launched it [TS]

01:07:47   takes over the screen and here's one button on the front face that you go [TS]

01:07:52   back to the home screen so here's a bunch of apps tap one to go in the app [TS]

01:07:56   and when you're in an app tap this button and you go back to the home [TS]

01:07:58   screen and once you're in a nap [TS]

01:08:00   anything you can do in the app is something you can see on the rectangle [TS]

01:08:04   of pixels that are lit up and since then they've added some shortcuts that you [TS]

01:08:10   kind of have to know about like when you slide in from the side or slide down [TS]

01:08:14   from the top to get the notification center or up from the bottom to get the [TS]

01:08:18   control center but those are things that if you don't know about used there's [TS]

01:08:25   still a way to do it visually right everything you can do if you're a more [TS]

01:08:31   simple user of iOS and you don't even know about [TS]

01:08:34   Control Center anything you can do there you can just go to the home screen go to [TS]

01:08:38   settings and just read that list and you'll find it unsettling now setting [TS]

01:08:42   but also to your point though settings has gotten so long and so complex i [TS]

01:08:46   wonder how many people have realized that there's no a search field inside of [TS]

01:08:49   settings i don't know how many people but they should it's very simple it's [TS]

01:08:54   staggering how much stuff is in settings and rather than having to go drill down [TS]

01:08:57   its now it is so much stuff in there that it's actually way faster to do a [TS]

01:09:01   search right but it's almost like the difference between a you know a visual [TS]

01:09:08   video game like you know super mario brothers where you could see where Mario [TS]

01:09:14   can go because you're watching Mario move around the screen versus the [TS]

01:09:19   old-school text games like zork or whatever where you just have to start [TS]

01:09:23   typing stuff and guess like it's easier to explore I think for most people [TS]

01:09:29   visually then it is to explore verbally and it's so much easier to see what an [TS]

01:09:35   iphone can do because of effectively for the most part it's you go to the home [TS]

01:09:40   screen and look at the apps and here's what your iphone can do it [TS]

01:09:44   these apps and you know the ones that come from Apple are fairly obvious and [TS]

01:09:49   any other ones or ones that you you chose to install so you should you know [TS]

01:09:54   have a basic idea of what what they do [TS]

01:09:56   whereas serie it's like what what are the what's the total list of things you [TS]

01:10:01   can do a siri-like i have never found a comprehensive list that wasn't [TS]

01:10:06   somebody's guess on a blog post i said i have never seen a full list of [TS]

01:10:12   everything so you can do the closest thing I've seen is like this is a blog [TS]

01:10:16   post people have done and basically that marketing page where you can scroll [TS]

01:10:20   really far down and see lots of suggestions but it's surprisingly under [TS]

01:10:25   documented so you're up then you're right how do you learn [TS]

01:10:28   I mean think about how many people you have to say like hey if you want to play [TS]

01:10:31   with Siri go to Syria and hit that little ? and they're like what ? I'm [TS]

01:10:36   like oh man hit that ? is that is in the lower left i believe and that's gonna [TS]

01:10:40   tell you so much stuff you had no idea you could say to siri it's not learnable [TS]

01:10:44   like you're saying it isn't like you can just look at the pretty glass screen and [TS]

01:10:47   under [TS]

01:10:47   doing what you're supposed to do either need to get educated or you need to [TS]

01:10:51   explore you need to try and that's not intuitively obvious so that to me that [TS]

01:10:58   the the not the canonical example i'm trying to see the epitome of where this [TS]

01:11:05   is going the the ideal of where these voice driven assistants are going is [TS]

01:11:11   exemplified by Hal 9000 in 2001 where the you watch these characters interact [TS]

01:11:19   with Hal and II you never at you would be sure it would be shocking if they [TS]

01:11:26   said something to him and how was like I'm sorry I didn't understand the [TS]

01:11:31   question [TS]

01:11:32   you know it's like you just know that house going to get it and if they said [TS]

01:11:36   something Jimmy did you mean white the color or white the race [TS]

01:11:39   what a weird question how of course you would know that right now just is not [TS]

01:11:43   only that but how also as i was pulling up last night and reading stuff you're [TS]

01:11:47   suggesting if you notice how ends up sounding like the calmest and most human [TS]

01:11:51   person in the movie something yeah definitely [TS]

01:11:54   well that was probably never thought of it that way but it's true that was [TS]

01:11:57   Pauline Kael as criticism when I'm one of her criticisms of the film we got one [TS]

01:12:01   character [TS]

01:12:02   well that the most interesting characters the computer and its cycle so [TS]

01:12:04   what isn't that actually kind of fascinating that that somebody can make [TS]

01:12:08   a movie where the most interesting characters is the computer like how is [TS]

01:12:11   that how is that a failure but if there is if the characters in the movie had [TS]

01:12:17   said how can dim the lights [TS]

01:12:19   you know that the lights with them there's not a hundred percent chance you [TS]

01:12:22   know and you know that how could do that like anything on that ship [TS]

01:12:25   you know that how could do you know and everything that they get it it's big [TS]

01:12:34   the ideal is obviously something that's so aware that it can control everything [TS]

01:12:37   like it's $YEAR and we're obviously not there yet but you know we're getting [TS]

01:12:43   there you're already you're already turning your lights out with it but it's [TS]

01:12:46   like you know you know you probably can't turn your microwave on with Alexa [TS]

01:12:51   you got me thinking that you're bringing up a really good point we talk about [TS]

01:12:54   what they came out of the box with in 2007 like what was it that was in [TS]

01:13:00   retrospect as we look back what are the things that we really remember as as [TS]

01:13:03   seeing revolutionary I think I I feel like for myself the most amazing what [TS]

01:13:10   trick [TS]

01:13:11   Steve and team pulled off was calling this thing of phone so the first amazing [TS]

01:13:16   part is that they were to put out this they would prompt this thing that I mean [TS]

01:13:20   yeah it's phone but I mean there's a lot of other things i would want to call it [TS]

01:13:23   before i called it a phone it is to use his third the third piece it's an [TS]

01:13:28   Internet communicator that's what made the thing really great but who's going [TS]

01:13:32   to go out and buy internet communicator i think that for myself that's one [TS]

01:13:36   amazing part is that they put a computer in your pocket and it did actually work [TS]

01:13:39   the other amazing thing in retrospect maybe one of the things that is the most [TS]

01:13:43   revolutionary and influential was that it's just a big piece of glass on front [TS]

01:13:48   right there's no there's no there's one dedicated button that does stuff but [TS]

01:13:52   there's only limited things the apps can do to write the remember these are the [TS]

01:13:55   days when you run a one-at-a-time what you can do it sounds very limited what [TS]

01:14:00   you could do with having you know you're only you couldn't copy and paste it's [TS]

01:14:03   one appetizer and set about what did that do that worked to the advantage of [TS]

01:14:07   both the strengths and weaknesses of the phone could only do so much [TS]

01:14:10   but what you could do is very easy to understand because it was in this [TS]

01:14:13   paradigm that you're familiar with if you've ever used a windows like a GUI [TS]

01:14:17   system this is not going to seem crazy it's just that there's no mouse your [TS]

01:14:21   finger is the mouse so right but the thing is so but now where are we where [TS]

01:14:26   are we now like you say well now you can get the stuff by pulling down you can [TS]

01:14:30   get the stuff by pulling up if you're on a recent phone like if you're on a [TS]

01:14:34   sixth-generation phone pressing hard on i wonder how many people know this [TS]

01:14:38   pressing hard on the left side of the screen will be a little bloop and you go [TS]

01:14:41   to the previous app you can be one of the six people who is using the 3d touch [TS]

01:14:45   but so and on top of that look think about the haptics and tactics on the [TS]

01:14:50   phone and on the watch [TS]

01:14:52   there are now so many more ways to communicate and communication is not [TS]

01:14:56   just talking communication is also listening and hearing so our ability i [TS]

01:15:00   mean for example something i don't know how many people use this on iOS but you [TS]

01:15:04   can go into accessible [TS]

01:15:05   woody and flip on the LED the LED will blink when you get an alert so I have [TS]

01:15:11   that turned on so if i'm not paying attention i can see across the room and [TS]

01:15:14   there's like a flash so there's all these ways that you can talk to the [TS]

01:15:18   phone the phone can talk to you but we're still I mean but we still haven't [TS]

01:15:22   really thought the whole paradigm of how we interact with the phone but finding [TS]

01:15:26   new ways to expand with this thing to do [TS]

01:15:29   make it faster touch ID think about touch ID right but I mean there hasn't [TS]

01:15:33   been there hasn't been a need to completely rethink the phone because [TS]

01:15:36   these are all improvements on the product we had in 2007 but now if we [TS]

01:15:41   like I don't make sure this is where you're going but I mean that one know [TS]

01:15:43   where you're going [TS]

01:15:44   wow I mean now that you can do voice like how does that change the way you [TS]

01:15:47   think about this little glass internet communicator you know it is it [TS]

01:15:51   well-suited to doing these kinds of things and what would need to change [TS]

01:15:54   about the basic technology and the policies of the company to make this [TS]

01:15:58   into something more than just another another way to interact with the phone I [TS]

01:16:04   don't know I I still want to know like like where where do we draw the line [TS]

01:16:13   between having every single device that we get from Apple understand your dingus [TS]

01:16:17   right right now I've got my watch doing it I've got my phone doing it my ipad [TS]

01:16:23   does it my Mac doesn't but there's three devices that do and now there's a room [TS]

01:16:29   ready also have an apple TV right and and now they're supposedly building a [TS]

01:16:34   new device that does it well then one nice when I address [TS]

01:16:37   serie with your dingus what how many things turn on at once I mean right now [TS]

01:16:43   it's not very smart at all like if my ipad is it within your same your shot is [TS]

01:16:47   the phone they both come on well I'm happy to take out my managers think [TS]

01:16:52   about my messages like you know they seem to have gotten better at that but [TS]

01:16:56   you know you don't want every single device in the world going off if it has [TS]

01:17:00   a way to determine where you quote unquote are right now that's where you [TS]

01:17:04   prefer to hear about i still miss things because it went to the watch and I [TS]

01:17:07   didn't realize it so it is trying to be smart with that but to have a sense of [TS]

01:17:11   place about what you're doing and like i said in this is notes here that context [TS]

01:17:15   or it's like when it's most appropriate to do a certain kind of thing [TS]

01:17:18   because you know what do we have to choose one tool that are we allowed to [TS]

01:17:21   have like spoons and knives in our house is likely you you might want all these [TS]

01:17:26   things but you do need a little help from the devices to be contextually [TS]

01:17:30   intelligent about what you need to know when stuff is likely to be useful and [TS]

01:17:34   where it is extremely cumbersome and inappropriate [TS]

01:17:37   do you remember like this is way back this is like going back to like [TS]

01:17:41   1998-1999 and on the great but with one of the best websites at that time was [TS]

01:17:47   mackin touch it still around but I don't think it's that rig floor [TS]

01:17:52   yeah Rick Ford was a great and every I remember that there is a recurring like [TS]

01:17:59   the way that he would do it somebody would send something in it would become [TS]

01:18:02   a story and then a couple more people would email and then he would add to the [TS]

01:18:06   page with more people's comments but it wasn't open it was curated by Rick Ford [TS]

01:18:10   and you'd end up with this great discussion i remember one of the big [TS]

01:18:13   controversies was when some mac apps started phoning home on the network [TS]

01:18:18   which more or less just to check for a new version like they would like maybe [TS]

01:18:23   like once a week some you know little indie app would would connect to its you [TS]

01:18:28   know parent companies . calm and just say hey I'm version 3.7 is there a new [TS]

01:18:33   version and then if there is like a 3.8 is out it could let you know that [TS]

01:18:38   there's a new version and people were you know we're using certain like [TS]

01:18:42   utilities that would notify them like people super hyper privacy minded people [TS]

01:18:46   who use utilities like a like on Mac os10 you would be like Little Snitch i [TS]

01:18:51   think over things like this is this is a concern though if you're stealing your [TS]

01:18:54   copy of cork which I heard some people used to do because it would be able to [TS]

01:18:58   run out across the network and see which other serial numbers like the things [TS]

01:19:02   along as lines where you would you would actually be able to get another liquor [TS]

01:19:05   shareware running that would prevent those things from talking to each other [TS]

01:19:09   yeah what it would do it yeah the the one of the the anti-piracy or anti you [TS]

01:19:15   know using a license on too many machines mechanisms I know Kourt did it [TS]

01:19:20   I think adobe my I know for sure to work did it you know where they would look [TS]

01:19:24   across the local network and maybe was the whole internet was it the whole [TS]

01:19:27   internet [TS]

01:19:27   I don't know is that i think for our cases are appletalk network [TS]

01:19:30   yeah and it was enough to do it was enough to make an important they would [TS]

01:19:33   look across the local talk network and if it's all the same serial number was [TS]

01:19:36   already running it would refuse to run on the second machine and people were [TS]

01:19:41   you know we're very upset about it because it was like what right does this [TS]

01:19:44   app have to do anything on the network without me and I remember nodding my [TS]

01:19:48   head and it wasn't like thinking like yeah you know outrage i was just [TS]

01:19:51   thinking yeah this is a little creepy i wonder where this is going [TS]

01:19:54   and to think about like how much like how antiquated that is like privacy [TS]

01:19:58   why's that i'm thinking i was what made me think about this was that i'm [TS]

01:20:03   thinking i wouldn't mind if my imac always had the camera on to look to see [TS]

01:20:09   if i'm sitting in front of it so that it would as soon as I get it from my chair [TS]

01:20:14   would know to send the I message that I'm conversation I'm having with [TS]

01:20:18   maryland right to my phone right like how does my imac know if I'm sitting in [TS]

01:20:24   front of it like right now it doesn't really it just like kind of keeps track [TS]

01:20:28   of i guess like Mouse action or keyboard action or something like that [TS]

01:20:31   nothing i will not either either totally innocuous are really scary depending on [TS]

01:20:34   what you think of as being watched because what about motion sensors in [TS]

01:20:38   your home is that creep you out [TS]

01:20:40   well no we just I you know what I mean like it depends on what you wanted to do [TS]

01:20:43   but this is 0 or 1 feeling there because if there's a camera we assume that it's [TS]

01:20:47   always recording us and sending it somewhere to do something it's not [TS]

01:20:50   simply a sensor right we assume immediately that it's going to be taking [TS]

01:20:54   our stuff and throwing it up on the internet somewhere just it we've just [TS]

01:21:02   come so far in terms of where we draw the season it's ludicrous prostrate [TS]

01:21:06   actually i was told my daughter I give my daughter a bath last night and boring [TS]

01:21:09   her to tears telling her about how schools going to talk to you about today [TS]

01:21:11   and I was asking her about what she thought about the distinction between [TS]

01:21:14   listening and hearing and and she she was saying she thinks we're disagreeing [TS]

01:21:22   a little bit on the distinction but I think to appreciate what we're talking [TS]

01:21:25   about with this stuff you must see a distinction or should see a distinction [TS]

01:21:27   between listening and hearing so if you don't believe the companies that say [TS]

01:21:34   they're not actually setting on your stuff the NSA will definitely don't have [TS]

01:21:37   these devices if you're considering that though I think it's worth considering [TS]

01:21:39   the difference being listening and hearing it's one thing to listen right [TS]

01:21:43   so listening means [TS]

01:21:44   that it's basically listening for the trigger words but then after the trigger [TS]

01:21:49   words is when it's really hearing and I feel like that's that's a young [TS]

01:21:53   distinction that we need to start thinking about for all kinds of reasons [TS]

01:21:56   including privacy right did you follow what I'm saying though no I do like in [TS]

01:22:00   your case you want you want a camera that's that is monitoring even if it's [TS]

01:22:07   not recording that there's there's we should start to see some kind of a [TS]

01:22:10   distinction certainly again I think you always have to say that yes I don't want [TS]

01:22:14   people spotting us but like what are we willing to throw out for that notion of [TS]

01:22:19   privacy that we may or may not have any way in this instance I just I think that [TS]

01:22:23   a lot of people shut that door really fast without looking too much further [TS]

01:22:27   beyond what they imagine is the worst-case scenario would you be okay [TS]

01:22:32   with your with your Mac using the camera to see if you're if you're in front of [TS]

01:22:36   it [TS]

01:22:36   god no now even if they you see me see what it looks like right now [TS]

01:22:41   well then I don't know and I feel like you could you know outsiders could [TS]

01:22:47   independently verified by looking at network traffic that the video isn't [TS]

01:22:52   being sent anywhere [TS]

01:22:53   no I see what you're saying but like for example like we've got a couple [TS]

01:22:56   different cameras at the house when we got a nest cam that watches the door and [TS]

01:23:02   we've got a canary in the canary is a camera with a super get da familiar with [TS]

01:23:07   canary know there is pretty cool scary . is so it's a device that and it's not [TS]

01:23:14   too different looking from amazon echo little shorter a little fatter you [TS]

01:23:19   basically plug that in and it has a very wide fisheye lens that will cover not a [TS]

01:23:27   hundred eighty degrees but a pretty wide spectrum and but the nice thing about it [TS]

01:23:32   it has a very sane mode series of modes so there's armed which means that nobody [TS]

01:23:39   is in the house and you know go ahead and record you know whatever whatever [TS]

01:23:45   you're seeing with the camera if it notices that you're at home you can set [TS]

01:23:49   it so that it either keeps running and dozen isn't sending you notices or you [TS]

01:23:53   can say shot off so my case [TS]

01:23:55   if the iphone detects that anybody is at home and you know that people should be [TS]

01:24:00   there it just shuts it off altogether so like you know i mean is that perfect no [TS]

01:24:05   but like that works pretty well so if we're out of town and we see something [TS]

01:24:09   moving around it's not a back at our house cleaner you can have that thing [TS]

01:24:12   you know she's off the siren you can hit the police number from it whatever I [TS]

01:24:17   mainly want to just be able to see what you know nothing's on fire you know the [TS]

01:24:20   feeling that i would like that i will put i will put the the link in the show [TS]

01:24:25   notes I've already written it down it looks like a great product it does [TS]

01:24:27   everybody on I know exactly what you mean i get paranoid and we're away from [TS]

01:24:31   home that [TS]

01:24:33   yeah that you know how do i know that the house is hasn't burned down [TS]

01:24:36   how do I know that who would know to class effect you know how do I know that [TS]

01:24:40   squatters haven't broken in and just sort of setup setup home is nobody draw [TS]

01:24:45   a penis on your garage to write exactly the last trust me I know from firsthand [TS]

01:24:52   experience you've got his of that as soon as possible before the ink dries [TS]

01:24:57   oh sorry I took your topic well no no but the rumor about this upcoming apple [TS]

01:25:06   thing is that i'll put a link to the show notes on that but did you see this [TS]

01:25:10   that after the initial report came out there's a report that the thing that [TS]

01:25:12   Apple's doing does include a camera probably similar to the canary like a [TS]

01:25:17   wide angle fisheye camera and that it will attempt to recognize the people [TS]

01:25:22   talking to it [TS]

01:25:23   yeah and again I I don't want to be glib about it i know i'm a Kubrick you know [TS]

01:25:30   fanatic but I you know it's the concept of how you know and one of the things [TS]

01:25:36   that makes 2001 such a great movie is this the scientific rigor you know it [TS]

01:25:40   really was an honest attempt and I obviously it was very optimistic about [TS]

01:25:44   the write-up about all of it you know there's there is no hilton are orbiting [TS]

01:25:49   the Earth panam doesn't have flights to the moon we don't have a rocket ship [TS]

01:25:57   that could take astronauts to Jupiter and more dogs had stewardess is in [TS]

01:26:02   velcro shoes now and we don't have a way I at the level of how [TS]

01:26:08   so it was optimistic year wise but you know it attempted to be you know as [TS]

01:26:17   rigorous as they could and including talking to top artificial intelligence [TS]

01:26:22   you know experts of the era as to you know what do you think would be possible [TS]

01:26:27   how could this work and it's you know conceptually it that's where we're [TS]

01:26:32   heading right but we would have wide angle i mean even that won't even down [TS]

01:26:35   to using a wide angle lens to get a big field of view into the it into the way I [TS]

01:26:42   dingus right when they show you how this point of view it's like a superfish I [TS]

01:26:46   but the idea that you think you're talking to an end again it's like this [TS]

01:26:51   mixture of yes I've always wanted to have like how 9000 and then the [TS]

01:26:55   conversely the I don't know if I want you know i don't want people you know AI [TS]

01:27:01   systems watching me you know i mean like a mixture of like dread and desire but i [TS]

01:27:08   think it is clearly where we're heading [TS]

01:27:10   and the idea that it would help you know like help create a shared device because [TS]

01:27:17   I guess one of the limits of like the echo right now that it it's like two [TS]

01:27:23   people in the same house can't really set it up with what's on my calendar [TS]

01:27:28   oh true yeah sure you can have multiple echoes and that's actually it's kinda [TS]

01:27:32   cool but yeah you're right and I mean also you know there's a there's a [TS]

01:27:35   something that's gotta get dealt with that some point soon is i guess i mean [TS]

01:27:40   it's understandable to say well you know right now we're gonna get the technology [TS]

01:27:44   down so anybody who talks to it correctly can make this work [TS]

01:27:48   I mean you know for example my echo has access to my calendar it is my calendar [TS]

01:27:52   anybody who came in and asked it could get my calendar info that doesn't mean [TS]

01:27:56   currently there's not a way i know for echo to be disabled when I personally am [TS]

01:28:00   not there is probable kind of creepy stuff you can do but you know and you [TS]

01:28:04   can buy stuff like so like if I come over to your house and you you know head [TS]

01:28:08   to the restroom I could quick order up just a reorder reorder dildos and the [TS]

01:28:13   baby on your door the next day [TS]

01:28:15   it's really true i basically just say to your dingus you just say like reorder [TS]

01:28:20   contractor bags and say okay on the state you ordered that that's it's like [TS]

01:28:26   Syracuse is concerned about the Amazon buttons that is key kids which my [TS]

01:28:31   daughter has totally dunno look at some more seventh generation to church [TS]

01:28:35   it's see I don't know this is I guess this is the part people always want to [TS]

01:28:42   talk about this is the part that you always jump directly to I think it's [TS]

01:28:45   unavoidable but i think it's all so complicated which is when you get into [TS]

01:28:49   like you know what should just do just because we can do it should we do it [TS]

01:28:52   well I think this is where stuff is going so it's it does not benefit us to [TS]

01:28:57   keep talking about how this time we're never gonna use this benefits the talk [TS]

01:29:01   about what we actually are talking about when we talk about this stuff [TS]

01:29:05   what were willing to tolerate i think i would have the same conversation about [TS]

01:29:09   this we have to stop acting like it's a Frankenstein monster and try to have [TS]

01:29:12   liked more reasoned discussion about you know what this stuff is what this stuff [TS]

01:29:16   does and and once you get used to a creature comfort you [TS]

01:29:20   it's it's like psychologically impossible to go back and just think [TS]

01:29:24   about like cars and the way that cars have improved since we were kids just [TS]

01:29:29   creep creature comfort wise right like when we were kids if you wanted to move [TS]

01:29:34   the seat back or front you had to sit there and hold a physical liver and then [TS]

01:29:39   slide it using your muscles and now I mean our cars 10 years old but we have a [TS]

01:29:44   thing where when I you know . the electronic key fobs if i unlock the door [TS]

01:29:49   the seat automatically starts moving to my preferred location and if Amy's the [TS]

01:29:54   one who unlocks the door the seat moves to her preferred location it's amazing [TS]

01:29:58   but you really shouldn't be driving right unless your license I well Anna [TS]

01:30:02   Anna well and I wear flip-flops everywhere you know about topic [TS]

01:30:07   yes this is that is so crazy to me but the topic of prospectus and seems to [TS]

01:30:11   come up every time we talk [TS]

01:30:13   atms we are atms but you know what it what a terrific example 1977-78 guess [TS]

01:30:21   what there's this new scary robot at the mall that will give you money [TS]

01:30:25   wait a minute you're saying anybody can walk up to this machine law [TS]

01:30:28   access to my bank account no no you gotta have your little card and you got [TS]

01:30:32   a four digit code [TS]

01:30:33   okay just let me understand this you know I'm a Rockefeller and I have access [TS]

01:30:38   to all this money so basically anybody who has this four-digit code can just [TS]

01:30:42   clean me out because and that's really what everybody said into the eighties [TS]

01:30:48   ok so i'ma try to say this is a perfect system but what I'm saying is that in [TS]

01:30:51   the amount of time that a team has been around there's some things we most all [TS]

01:30:54   of us kind of know at this point instead it's always gonna be stuff like skimmers [TS]

01:30:58   like you know Greek ribs on security have just ruined your month but there [TS]

01:31:03   are things we know we know first of all that there are limitations on the [TS]

01:31:07   account if they do quick and clean you out there not gonna get more than [TS]

01:31:10   probably 400 or 500 dollars out of your account and you know what if it was if [TS]

01:31:14   it was fraudulent there's a pretty good chance you can go to your bank they're [TS]

01:31:17   going to cover most of the cost of that you know quite average my dad I don't [TS]

01:31:21   think has an ATM card I said all I i still think that maybe they've sent him [TS]

01:31:26   one and then he did without even asking and he just cuts it up haha um wraps my [TS]

01:31:34   dad's oil burns at my dad my dad at least in you know at least through the [TS]

01:31:40   high school when i lived at home anytime my dad wanted to get cash he would go to [TS]

01:31:44   the bank and go to the waiting line and go to the teller and and bring the last [TS]

01:31:49   problem right and and get cash and he would just get enough cash at the time [TS]

01:31:54   we wouldn't have to go back frequently i hate accidentally falling into the role [TS]

01:31:58   of arms your futures because it's such a douchey thing that to be but like here's [TS]

01:32:02   what i'm trying to say like you know I have a pretty good feeling this is an [TS]

01:32:05   overarching thing for me as i try to grow as a person is to stop making these [TS]

01:32:10   instant decisions based on emotions about whether something will be terrible [TS]

01:32:14   and ruin everything which feels like something a lot of folks do it soon as [TS]

01:32:20   it distresses we're black and white thinking thing where soon as somebody [TS]

01:32:23   gets the slightest whiff of something they don't like it's the worst thing [TS]

01:32:26   ever and it's a literal Holocaust trying to avoid doing that so when I say this [TS]

01:32:30   example something like an ATM what I'm really trying to say is that like well [TS]

01:32:33   there's a certain amount of risk associated with that there will always [TS]

01:32:38   be a certain amount of risk we're still driving cars [TS]

01:32:42   I can go a hundred miles an hour is an acceptable amount of risk with that you [TS]

01:32:45   don't find that risk it all when a bus goes by your kid while you're while [TS]

01:32:48   you're walking down the street but like all these things find their level in [TS]

01:32:52   some way not for all time [TS]

01:32:53   pendulum swing Hakuna Matata and like but the thing is we figured out a way [TS]

01:32:58   for atms to be part of our life in a way that didn't ruin everybody in America [TS]

01:33:03   and so I think instead of thinking about this as like some kind of new dioxin [TS]

01:33:08   it's going to kill the environment [TS]

01:33:09   let's think about things like a nes things like vr the silly things like [TS]

01:33:13   that [TS]

01:33:13   let's instead ask ourselves like how that could find a place if we stop [TS]

01:33:17   looking at it as this thing we think we understand today start looking at the [TS]

01:33:21   components of this that's something we might see in our lives and stop being so [TS]

01:33:24   wowed by it and all the times user counter wowed by it [TS]

01:33:28   somebody else is running away with the legislation on what actually happens [TS]

01:33:31   with that stuff you got to keep your eyes open and be smart but admit that [TS]

01:33:33   this is something that is the thing right there's you know that the [TS]

01:33:37   self-driving cars thing is a perfect example where I i think most people are [TS]

01:33:42   looking forward to it but because it is scary red letters new and its seemingly [TS]

01:33:48   involves you know robots doing things that we used to do [TS]

01:33:52   everybody is worried I know I'm where everybody knows that eventually it's [TS]

01:33:56   going to come we're going to have self-driving cars and eventually it's [TS]

01:33:59   just inevitable there's going to be an accident or somebody gets killed and you [TS]

01:34:02   can blame the AI and there's so many millions of people in so many cars and [TS]

01:34:08   so many things it's inevitable and you know just to put up the hypothetical [TS]

01:34:11   like what if the AI locks itself into a situation where it's either it can make [TS]

01:34:17   a move that harms you the passenger or it kills a pedestrian and it doesn't see [TS]

01:34:23   you know there's no other option that the AI ceased and the decision has to be [TS]

01:34:27   made in the next hundreds of a second what happens either way it's like that [TS]

01:34:31   ethical ethical problem with the train track and that kind of thing right let [TS]

01:34:35   me ask yourself you know i mean i'm not a statistician but think about like if [TS]

01:34:39   we took the net number of miles driven by mature automated vehicles versus the [TS]

01:34:46   net number of just thoughts and allow me a strong man here the net number of [TS]

01:34:50   miles driven by drunks like let's see who has a better kill ratio [TS]

01:34:54   because i gotta feeling the automated car might do a little bit better i bet [TS]

01:34:59   you know what turns out i bet it might even do a little bit better than all [TS]

01:35:01   those people who are really good drivers especially when more and more automated [TS]

01:35:05   cars can talk to each other until I need the meat bag behind the pedal to keep it [TS]

01:35:09   from flying off the road right I completely agree i think it's inevitable [TS]

01:35:13   that self-driving cars are going to happen relatively soon and that they [TS]

01:35:18   will have wonderful safety records and that the sooner we can get all or nearly [TS]

01:35:23   all card self-driven that the the difference in the number of people [TS]

01:35:28   getting maimed seriously injured and killed will look back at it as when it [TS]

01:35:34   will be used to let people smoke on airplanes you know like my god with what [TS]

01:35:38   the hell were we thinking we let people drive a hundred miles an hour while they [TS]

01:35:41   were text messaging there was not an eye on people did it I got it will look at [TS]

01:35:46   me [TS]

01:35:46   we got totally the problem at truck the other day like just completely cut off [TS]

01:35:49   by a semi 10 minutes later we see a woman you know cruising down 80 with a [TS]

01:35:55   kid in the car seat like texting and independent just you don't see too many [TS]

01:35:58   of those to go like really you think it's gonna be that much worse to have an [TS]

01:36:01   automated car that understands heuristics of the world [TS]

01:36:04   I i totally don't but the problem is that as a society we collectively are [TS]

01:36:10   very bad at accepting statistical proof and vs anecdotal proof righty to you and [TS]

01:36:21   you know it's like the the Republican senator who who's who's argument against [TS]

01:36:26   climate change was let me this is true story i forget the guys name but he was [TS]

01:36:31   made his little speech on the Senate floor with a snowball he had just made [TS]

01:36:35   outside the capital at an unseasonable time of year right [TS]

01:36:40   the-the-the climate scientists just cursing he's figured this out [TS]

01:36:44   he figured out the what's happening with big climate but for some people that one [TS]

01:36:49   example is way more compelling than the statistical evidence of what is actually [TS]

01:36:52   going on right i think it's an out you know but i think people get used to it [TS]

01:36:57   with the with the self-driving cars [TS]

01:37:00   like every guy i forget how much I told about this but I know I never wrote [TS]

01:37:03   about it but I got this amazing demo at the Mercedes self-driving car thing in [TS]

01:37:08   Silicon Valley a couple months ago and it went on a ride in an actual self [TS]

01:37:13   driving a Mercedes s-class it was amazing i mean it's real it actually was [TS]

01:37:18   like an entire thing like starting in somewhere in Mountain View and getting [TS]

01:37:22   onto a highway and getting off and the entire thing was that no human [TS]

01:37:25   intervention whatsoever [TS]

01:37:27   wow really yeah people who do that all seem to say a similar thing which is [TS]

01:37:32   like they're always amazed at how quickly it's it how quickly it's stop [TS]

01:37:38   seeming weird like the more than sometimes it is more than a few minutes [TS]

01:37:42   of that before you go like oh this totally makes sense so Mike one of my [TS]

01:37:46   questions for them was do you think right now you you know [TS]

01:37:50   mercedes-benz makes cars that go well in excess of any speed limit [TS]

01:37:55   posted in the United States you know you wanted you know if not i would guess [TS]

01:37:59   every single car they make those at least 200 miles an hour in self driving [TS]

01:38:05   mode is it going to be an option to exceed the posted speed limit and the [TS]

01:38:10   answer was almost certainly not that the car you know it will be programmed so [TS]

01:38:15   that there is no way that you can exceed the speed limit and their take is that [TS]

01:38:22   know what you couldn't sell a car like that today when people drive but they [TS]

01:38:26   think that people will accept that because why do they want to go fast it's [TS]

01:38:30   because they're bored they want to get to where they're going and if they can [TS]

01:38:32   sit there and dick around on their phone while they're getting there you know who [TS]

01:38:37   cares if it takes extra five you know who cares if it takes an extra five [TS]

01:38:39   minutes to get to work because you're driving 55 instead of driving 80 you [TS]

01:38:47   know maybe you're here now [TS]

01:38:49   yeah but this is also this is also getting too i mean you know it's [TS]

01:38:53   whenever we try to think about changing try to get the future we we tend I feel [TS]

01:38:57   like at least I tend to focus on maybe two axes but usually one axis like the [TS]

01:39:01   thing that I'm familiar with the thing that I'm obsessed with the thing that I [TS]

01:39:04   think about but that's the difficulty if they could about anything more than a [TS]

01:39:08   year out of the future and the future is like how all ideas Germany you know how [TS]

01:39:12   will things suddenly get cheaper and more pasta how do things suddenly become [TS]

01:39:16   less impossible and it's it's difficult to imagine how those kinds of things are [TS]

01:39:22   going to work you know and we all have our own like biases about we know you [TS]

01:39:27   know how we would how we would want to work and what we would accept in terms [TS]

01:39:30   of risk and I i don't know i don't know let me take a break and thank our third [TS]

01:39:38   sponsored your guess who's rose at third bunch of sweet on third sponsor this [TS]

01:39:42   week is the good folks at math . com honestly fuck these guys for making me [TS]

01:39:48   think of a third thing to say about them i mean god bless him for buying out the [TS]

01:39:54   entire show [TS]

01:39:55   they really did they bought all three they paid rack rate for all three spots [TS]

01:39:59   and God bless them for that I do love the sponsors but I gotta tell you [TS]

01:40:03   there's not that much say about him their daily deal site and they've got [TS]

01:40:06   some really cool videos and they write really clever copy and they've got some [TS]

01:40:11   forums where there's really cool stuff going on but other than that [TS]

01:40:15   fuck them go to med calm and check them out [TS]

01:40:19   welcome anything else you want to [TS]

01:40:23   about this AI stuff i think we covered a lot of it anything else i know you had [TS]

01:40:25   good notes [TS]

01:40:26   you did a lot more research you did good work man fuck this guest on Dino [TS]

01:40:31   beatdown [TS]

01:40:31   let me ask you this I don't think hammer thing I want to stay on the camera thing [TS]

01:40:36   for a second because i think i think that i don't think that it's going to [TS]

01:40:40   mean the rumors that apple is working on a product now I think it's imminent I [TS]

01:40:44   mean you've got this canary thing in your house i think i think the cameras [TS]

01:40:47   are the next step I really do believe you say the people who say why would I [TS]

01:40:52   need a device if I've got you know the Apple faithful God love them who say why [TS]

01:40:56   would I ever want a device for these things if I have my watch and my phone I [TS]

01:41:01   can almost promise you as much as I love you all that you haven't actually tried [TS]

01:41:05   using a device for this stuff because you will use it differently [TS]

01:41:09   it's funny it's ironic to me that the same people who are so in love with [TS]

01:41:12   their iphone that they learn to love don't understand that there's a similar [TS]

01:41:16   pattern with trying a device for a while and seeing how you would use it in a [TS]

01:41:19   different context and if you do use it route pretty you might use it pretty [TS]

01:41:24   differently i could see that becoming a hub for the home and a lot of ways [TS]

01:41:28   always already amazon device that's made by a third party that you can put on [TS]

01:41:31   your refrigerator and treat that way but you know but you know and did the [TS]

01:41:35   questions going to see that will come back to the always like you know well [TS]

01:41:37   how are kids going to use this that's the thing nobody cares why we use it we [TS]

01:41:41   we've aged out of the demo nobody cares [TS]

01:41:43   I don't want to keep banging the how 9000 hammer but i still think that [TS]

01:41:47   conceptually it's correct that how was everywhere on the ship and was built [TS]

01:41:53   into the ship and he wasn't he wasn't like a thing that they talk to on her [TS]

01:41:57   wrist [TS]

01:41:58   I'm not saying that talking to the thing on your wrist isn't a thing but i'm [TS]

01:42:01   saying that the better way to go is to have have a ubiquitous presence built in [TS]

01:42:07   to the ship uh the star trek is the same way right the next generation enterprise [TS]

01:42:12   computer best name for one of these things ever [TS]

01:42:18   I was the same way that the computer was just an ever-present presence built into [TS]

01:42:26   the ship I will yes totally and I mean and like think I'm just think about [TS]

01:42:31   stuff like water water used to be a thing that you went down to the creek [TS]

01:42:35   and he filled filled the jugs or a bucket and you brought it back and that [TS]

01:42:39   was the water but now water comes out a little dinguses all throughout your [TS]

01:42:43   house time was air conditioning was a thing you bought down at the Montgomery [TS]

01:42:47   Ward you stuck in your window and now magically air-conditioning comes out of [TS]

01:42:51   all these events throughout your house you can have smart vents as I've seen on [TS]

01:42:54   shark tank that you can adjust how much your condition is going to into your [TS]

01:42:57   room anytime so our first example of how we would use this how a 9000 like [TS]

01:43:02   devices [TS]

01:43:03   I talking to my watch to see what the weather is even though i could probably [TS]

01:43:06   just as easily go see but like think about more than what happens when the [TS]

01:43:11   devices that you use it is i think of it almost like a client-server relationship [TS]

01:43:16   what if it gets to where you pick up six or eight or 12 packs of these dinguses [TS]

01:43:21   that you could magnet or stick to the wall in the shower they're waterproof [TS]

01:43:24   they could go in the car they go in the garage then go anywhere [TS]

01:43:28   what if it becomes just another the same way that you want to extend your Wi-Fi [TS]

01:43:31   network just wanna extend the ability to say stuff into the air and have it do [TS]

01:43:35   things that gets us away from this idea of having this weird two-hundred-dollar [TS]

01:43:39   thing you put in your house like I would think more in that direction then [TS]

01:43:43   thinking of talking to your watching asking for the weather and eventually it [TS]

01:43:47   gets smart enough and contextual enough it will learn to as i said the thing i'm [TS]

01:43:51   always looking for us learn to tell me about things I didn't know I needed to [TS]

01:43:55   know before I realize I need to know it that's the real brilliance is when the [TS]

01:43:59   real machine learning start to see patterns that I didn't [TS]

01:44:02   it's just telling me about important things not just things i know i need to [TS]

01:44:05   know tell me the things that are important that i don't know that i need [TS]

01:44:08   to know and that's where ubiquity comes into it and context tell me when this is [TS]

01:44:12   useful [TS]

01:44:13   I don't be yelling at me and blinking lights all the time learn what's [TS]

01:44:16   important to me and help me have the life I want to have humans are naturally [TS]

01:44:21   really really good at pattern certain pattern recognitions like identifying a [TS]

01:44:26   familiar face or even like a face that you've only met once you know but you [TS]

01:44:30   know you know or [TS]

01:44:31   like a parody Leah's i was called we just like you look at a street curb and [TS]

01:44:34   you see a face because you're wired to see faces and yes you are yeah or like [TS]

01:44:38   the rock up in New Hampshire the the old man on the mountain but yeah it is you [TS]

01:44:43   know what I mean mom [TS]

01:44:45   yeah we're actually we're so wired to recognize faces that we see faces where [TS]

01:44:50   there aren't faces or try to turn right [TS]

01:44:54   ah and voices too but even as humans for it at 18 is it just an obvious example I [TS]

01:45:02   once I hit puberty every time I answered the phone anybody who is calling from my [TS]

01:45:06   dad would think that I was my dad and just start talking to him like like I [TS]

01:45:11   was him because I sounded I don't think I sound that much like them to be honest [TS]

01:45:14   but I sound enough like him that over and with the distortion of a you know [TS]

01:45:20   landline phone it sounded enough so if a human being could confuse me with my dad [TS]

01:45:25   I think that it's reasonable that even a very gud Ecco like device might confuse [TS]

01:45:31   me and my dad and so I think that the do you know adding additional sensors at [TS]

01:45:37   obviously a camera to know who the heck is talking to the right time right is [TS]

01:45:42   almost necessary like I maybe i'm just talking myself in a corner and it will [TS]

01:45:46   just get everybody's gonna have these camera like devices in our house within [TS]

01:45:49   the next day I don't think you are [TS]

01:45:51   I mean think about the way triangulation works were like you could I guess if you [TS]

01:45:55   wanted to you can put your entire R&D budget into creating the world's [TS]

01:45:59   greatest single antenna for discovering where something is located but isn't it [TS]

01:46:05   fair to say that it's better to have hundreds or thousands of much less cost [TS]

01:46:09   antennas to talk to each other that can translate and say well you're like [TS]

01:46:13   there's a pretty good chance that you're here based on the signal strength of [TS]

01:46:16   these different things that's I think that's kind of what we're talking about [TS]

01:46:18   right i mean so in this case like there are there are existing technologies that [TS]

01:46:23   make this easy and useful already so if this iphone app detects that I'm in the [TS]

01:46:30   house cause a certain set of things to happen if it's a certain time of day [TS]

01:46:34   then that's a factor right you think about i'm here but my kids not here that [TS]

01:46:39   can cause things to happen knowing what the weather is or what the weather is [TS]

01:46:42   becoming these are all like very know [TS]

01:46:45   little things right now it's just that you cannot accomplish that easily with [TS]

01:46:49   just something like if this then that it's a very it's a great app a very [TS]

01:46:53   service but very dull weapon but what about these multivariate things where if [TS]

01:46:57   certain kinds of conditions are met over a certain period of time [TS]

01:47:00   let me know to do these things just even something as simple as what were [TS]

01:47:03   describing when my iphone is in the house lots of things should be different [TS]

01:47:07   right [TS]

01:47:08   that's pretty easily yeah and it's I know siracusa covered this recently on [TS]

01:47:13   ATP about like how we almost feels bad for his kids that they're not gonna they [TS]

01:47:17   can get away with like putting your bike up against every of the camera looking [TS]

01:47:22   out right but like--imagine like I'm not even at home but we've got a rule that [TS]

01:47:29   there's no video games before dinner like good you know right now Jonas is on [TS]

01:47:34   a let's just say no video games and I could say where's Jonas and I could be [TS]

01:47:40   told Jonas is playing playstation 4 and you're living right right i mean that is [TS]

01:47:45   that is it was science fiction when we were you know even if nothing about that [TS]

01:47:51   that is unknowable you're talking about it [TS]

01:47:53   connecting to pre-existing streams it's just the connections not their [TS]

01:47:56   connection could be there right [TS]

01:47:58   the face recognition is there the the wifis there [TS]

01:48:03   The Voice driven stuff is there i mean that's a problem could be solved today I [TS]

01:48:08   mean here's here's another one that's such a brilliant little thing that it [TS]

01:48:11   I don't get that many phone calls so I'm grateful I don't need this that much but [TS]

01:48:15   if you got the thing yet [TS]

01:48:16   I'd love to just in nine but you wear your phone says you're getting a call [TS]

01:48:20   from this number which appears to be this person [TS]

01:48:24   so what's that doing it's going to looking through your old emails and [TS]

01:48:27   recognizing that this phone number has been mentioned by this person before [TS]

01:48:32   that's what we're talking about we're not talking about rocket science [TS]

01:48:35   we're talking about like the most basic kinds of inference like one little step [TS]

01:48:39   at a time you know what I mean just build up this little case with with [TS]

01:48:42   these little bits of information i completely agree i can talk about that [TS]

01:48:47   all day [TS]

01:48:48   anything else you wanna talk about on this front [TS]

01:48:51   now I don't think so you know it's just it's the ongoing obsession of mine were [TS]

01:48:55   like I really have noticed myself running mind being across the old man is [TS]

01:48:59   a lot about that's very comforting [TS]

01:49:00   there's a lot of things I can dismiss and not feel bad about it but I i am [TS]

01:49:03   trying to really just keep my mind open about continuing to understand new stuff [TS]

01:49:08   on its own terms rather than like what I need are expected to be so that's why [TS]

01:49:13   these topics end up really hitting me [TS]

01:49:15   I I feel like that that is my perspective exactly i'm absolutely [TS]

01:49:20   rocketing towards crotchety old man but I'm like an open-minded crotchety old [TS]

01:49:27   man that's cut it's the best I think it's the best that we get off my lawn [TS]

01:49:34   whenever it suits you i don't i don't know why but it's been on my mind this [TS]

01:49:41   weekend I'm obsessed with this that I tried I ended my XOXO talk two years ago [TS]

01:49:47   but by referencing the song but I for some reason I've had it it's like the [TS]

01:49:51   song has been popped in my head is kenny rogers the gambler which is sort of like [TS]

01:49:55   this this jokey upbeat you know like you know it was just a funny little folksy [TS]

01:49:59   story about a lot of wisdom in that song lot of wisdom and accept that the song [TS]

01:50:07   ends in the date goes back to the refrain afterwards but the last actual [TS]

01:50:11   lyrics before comes back to the refrain in his final words every hand that I [TS]

01:50:18   winner every hands a winner and every every hand to win every hand a loser and [TS]

01:50:24   the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep [TS]

01:50:26   the best really yeah the best you can hope for is to die in your sleep [TS]

01:50:34   oh and it's such a mccobb I mean the whole thing is so folks in ridiculous at [TS]

01:50:41   and then there's the that's just tossed out there and if you think about it [TS]

01:50:45   there is actual I don't know what got me something you just said about the best [TS]

01:50:49   best we can hope for something that reminded every hand the winner every [TS]

01:50:53   hands a loser but the best you can hope for but in his final words i found the [TS]

01:50:58   days that i could keep it [TS]

01:51:01   you know like John there are enough advice songs are songs that are just [TS]

01:51:06   filled with folks the advice [TS]

01:51:08   well i think that if you read between the lines at first you want to say well [TS]

01:51:11   that's not the best that you can hope for there's all sorts no it's literally [TS]

01:51:14   it's literally not the best that you can hope for [TS]

01:51:16   they not going well see available way or is it well but if you're if if you [TS]

01:51:26   accept the premise that we're all going to die [TS]

01:51:29   okay then and I know like our friend Peter teal friend of the good friend of [TS]

01:51:33   the show Peter teal does does does not accept this premise is working then then [TS]

01:51:38   that there's a certain logic to it where you gotta die somehow and like that at [TS]

01:51:42   the end we're all going to be in the dirt and so the best that you can hope [TS]

01:51:45   for is to die initially because any other way of dying is not a song called [TS]

01:51:49   coward of the county little bit of a cowardly way to jack up your aspirations [TS]

01:51:54   is Cochise i hope i'm not awake when this happens whether you do you have any [TS]

01:52:03   thoughts on the whole Peter teal Gawker thing [TS]

01:52:05   nope no I'm gonna have problems enough from john i toss it out and in a in a [TS]

01:52:15   reply so i think that it's I think that it's a it got lost but i doubt it a [TS]

01:52:20   little gag i tweeted this one out to everybody i tweeted that Batman vs [TS]

01:52:26   Superman to Bruce Wayne spends a decade and 10 million dollars financing [TS]

01:52:32   lawsuits to bankrupt the Daily Planet pretty good joke Africa and then and [TS]

01:52:38   then somebody tweeted like whoa I'm in as long as it's subtitled electric [TS]

01:52:42   boogaloo and I treated back know obviously it the subtitle is man of teal [TS]

01:52:47   oh right i had to get that after you don't even give them all your good ones [TS]

01:52:55   yes just pick and choose you should write an advice song-ah meta meta stuff [TS]

01:53:02   here at the end of the show medicine of stuff that's coming out is I got the [TS]

01:53:05   live talk show coming up and young as we speak I think 13 days so I got to get [TS]

01:53:10   the tickets out [TS]

01:53:11   I think fingers crossed that by the time anybody is listening to me tell you this [TS]

01:53:16   that the show will probably already be sold out every congratulations man that [TS]

01:53:21   was always the law great hoping to launch soon hopefully it'll be a good [TS]

01:53:24   show this year too but if you want to you could go and look at their and [TS]

01:53:28   fireball and see if there's still tickets available so that's coming up it [TS]

01:53:33   is going to be the same venue be Tuesday the day after the keynote at mezzanine [TS]

01:53:38   and here's the more important part so we're limited i think i think we're [TS]

01:53:42   limited to around 500 tickets just with the way we set up the the venue and the [TS]

01:53:47   seats and everything like that and it's sold out [TS]

01:53:50   you know every year so far and I think because last year show blew up and was [TS]

01:53:54   so big that it's probably going to be even more in demand this my expectations [TS]

01:53:58   buddy high expectations i wish we could find a bigger venue but it's it's really [TS]

01:54:04   kind of tight combined with all of the you know it [TS]

01:54:08   mezzanine is perfect in so many ways other than the fact that if we could fit [TS]

01:54:11   more we would love to fit more but we can't it's it's the to my knowledge the [TS]

01:54:15   best venue we can find that I'm sorry but we do plan on having a live video [TS]

01:54:19   stream again last year I didn't really promote the live video stream because I [TS]

01:54:23   was so worried that it wasn't going to hold up but it did hold up so fingers [TS]

01:54:28   crossed it hold up again but anybody who wants to follow along live and doesn't [TS]

01:54:33   get in with a ticket or you know if you're not even in San Francisco that [TS]

01:54:36   ticket is even an option you should be able to watch live it will be tuesday i [TS]

01:54:44   think doors open at six specific so and what the show should start sometime [TS]

01:54:48   around seven o'clock pacific which is 10 eastern time and it should be a lot of [TS]

01:54:53   fun life that's great then looking forward [TS]

01:54:57   yeah I've got your I've got your ticket reserved already boom i'm gonna set that [TS]

01:55:02   it's it's a phone a crazy week it's super-crazy one other medicine and I [TS]

01:55:09   haven't done this while saving it for your show you know you being the guest [TS]

01:55:12   on the show is I I joke sometimes that the this show is America's favorite [TS]

01:55:17   three-star podcast [TS]

01:55:18   but it's actually is still rated three stars on iTunes its to start it off with [TS]

01:55:25   very low ratings when when when I split with our old friend and Benjamin and [TS]

01:55:30   there were some people who are not a upset about it and left left a lot of [TS]

01:55:34   very very poor reviews that's a mother called activists reviewers the activists [TS]

01:55:38   reviewers and and you know that's what the system is therefore that's why I [TS]

01:55:42   can't do delete them I wouldn't delete them even if I could [TS]

01:55:45   fair's fair you know that's the way the system works on but I know force the [TS]

01:55:49   diner sleep a lot of other shows often remind their their viewers to to leave a [TS]

01:55:56   review and and do that and apparently i've been told that this is actually [TS]

01:56:01   true that it actually does help in the itunes you know there's like a manual [TS]

01:56:06   system where itunes the people who work there in a podcast can manually promote [TS]

01:56:10   shows but like the automated stuff and getting a little high nose rankings [TS]

01:56:17   definitely helps to get good reviews and that it can grow the audience and maybe [TS]

01:56:22   I shouldn't be so I don't know what's the word coy and I don't want to ask [TS]

01:56:27   people to leave reviews but i'm i'm asking i'll see i'll say it for you it [TS]

01:56:34   is it's very difficult to know what doesn't doesn't doesn't always help when [TS]

01:56:41   you've got a podcast there's a lot of black boxes in podcasting what I see is [TS]

01:56:43   this if like me you enjoy John show consider going leave a nice review leave [TS]

01:56:49   a five-star reviews offset the activists reviewers I don't leave an honest review [TS]

01:56:53   you don't think that always honest for that us for that you're gonna know [TS]

01:56:57   window here's the thing you gotta know when to home ok gotta know when to fold [TS]

01:57:02   them number three you gotta know when to walk away and finally fourth you gotta [TS]

01:57:08   know when to run all this number five don't count your money when you sit at [TS]

01:57:11   the table [TS]

01:57:12   oh and so finally turns out the best you can hope for is that your sleep [TS]

01:57:18   I have always also thought that part some of the worst advice you'll ever [TS]

01:57:21   hear is do not count your money while you're gambling haha anything anybody [TS]

01:57:31   listening and overcast you could use their little recommendation dingus as [TS]

01:57:34   well and promote the show but anyway if you like to show do me a favor and and [TS]

01:57:39   taking things about it anyway I'll see some of you guys soon [TS]

01:57:42   we should have at least one more show before the live one but look forward to [TS]

01:57:45   seeing you guys who will be there at the at the live show my thanks to You Merlin [TS]

01:57:50   Mann for your generous use of your time and and and your thoughts and my thanks [TS]

01:57:55   to our sponsors today mat.com the daily deal site [TS]

01:58:00   mat.com of the forum where you can go and read cool articles by glenn [TS]

01:58:07   Fleischmann and others and last but not least mat.com fuck those guys [TS]

01:58:13   you got to accept every free drink [TS]

01:58:17   try not to overthink trust your dumb look don't give a fuck you gotta blow [TS]

01:58:23   your fortune before you even realize the best that you could hold for is lay down [TS]

01:58:30   and die and not everybody [TS]