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00:00:19 ◼ ► opening I guess that's tomorrow but yeah that the sort of preview opening of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/19">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► new flagship apple store in san francisco right off right at the top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/23">TS</a>]
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00:00:34 ◼ ► when the general public can go and just we'll see how you like normal people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/34">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► react to the store especially when they're at capacity but he had a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/37">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► event yesterday with Angela errands which was very nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/40">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► so tell me about it well the thing that the thing that was remarkable to me up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/42">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► front as they brought us in and you know they said angela was going to speak and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/47">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► when there was all this internet stuff previously about you know why is Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/50">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► hiding Angela Angela errands while why is an apple showcasing your wife and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/53">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► on the stage and she even around anymore and you knew that that was bullshit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/57">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► because you see on campus like she's a presence that Apple she's everywhere she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/60">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► does phenomenal work but she came out and it was very similar to how i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/64">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► remember Johnny I've coming out for the unibody macbook event many years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/69">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► where she said you flatly this is not her favorite thing to do and she ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/73">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► like a bottle of water and she got talkin and it's just like she's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/77">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► passionate if you wanted to do this but clearly you're being on an appletini its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/81">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► keen on stage is not top of her personal list of things interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/84">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► I did I wouldn't have you know that's you know maybe that's the simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/87">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► explanation for why we haven't seen our own state too often that she doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/91">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► have to be just like Johnny I mean like not everyone wants to do that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/94">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► yeah i think people you know before all of the and some of it you know certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/98">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► warranted all of the debate over you know the diversity of the people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/107">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► on stage at apple event it's easy to overlook the fact that a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/112">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► really not just don't like it but really have like a it's just it's just it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/115">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► stressful to go and speak in front of the audience that it's you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/123">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► undesirable you know they just don't want to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/126">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► yeah well they work on my Craig federighi he was not great the first . [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/129">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► it but he's got better and better every year at it and some of that is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/132">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► gonna have to get you give people that time those opportunities and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/135">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► smaller events like this is a good way to do it they can sort of get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/138">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► comfortable with it and then become very good at those great jobs there's that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/141">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► think it's malcolm gladwell who's got this theory that it takes 10,000 hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/146">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► to get good at something which you know roll your eyes because it's malcolm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/149">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► gladwell and it's sort of anecdotal but with Craig federighi it's like he needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/153">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► yes he needed like like he had like one is first time he came back was I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/159">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► it was the back to the mac event that was a town-hall I was not there I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/165">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► I actually watched that one remotely and his he would was doing the demos that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/169">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► these features on a mac and his hands were literally shaking like he couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/175">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► he really couldn't do the mousing required to to do the demo it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/179">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► clicking wrong because his hands were so shaky it was almost hard to watch as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/185">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► know it unless you know it it's hard to watch somebody who's that nervous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/190">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► speaking then like the next time he came out he was much better and then by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/194">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► third time he did it event he's like well he may be the best public speaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/199">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► yeah it was phenomenal and a they had i'm planning on her name right now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/203">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► the woman who is the vice president of Apple pay was just phenomenal first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/208">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► yeah the person covering news really good to make jokes about so much sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/211">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► illustrated phenomenal and and that kind of stuff I'm really eager to see more oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/215">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► yeah so tell me about the store itself it so what I loved about this is that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/218">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► typical apple fashion most companies were just they would give anything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/224">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► have a business like apple store nevermind business like Apple just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/228">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► it's such a valuable property that's so many so many billions of dollars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/230">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► transactions really a beloved retail experience and messing with that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/233">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► super scary because you do anything wrong you risk damaging that business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/237">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► and that's big business for Apple but they they don't just I think will make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/241">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► the genius bar 3 inches longer will change the would always incremental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/245">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► things to improve them will make the quality of the screens better they re [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/249">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► thought everything from the beginning so is Angela errands team and johnny is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/252">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► team and the companies that they worked with and they brought everything back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/256">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► the essence and it wasn't you know do we keep the theaters we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/259">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► exit theaters or do we do something with the genius bar it's what is our core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/263">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► principle what governs what we're going to do with apple stores and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/266">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► mentioned that apple store is the biggest product that Apple ships to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/269">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► customers and they've had a long history but apple online now does so much people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/272">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► can just go there in order and they don't necessarily have to go to stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/278">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► anymore to do that and likewise support.apple.com and apple support on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/281">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► twitter handle a lot of the low-level queries now so if you just have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/285">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► software issue or you just need help her how to information they handle all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/288">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► so it's not necessary for the genius bars to do the same load they used to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/293">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► so they wanted to figure out what made the apple store relevant to customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/296">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► these days what would make them actually want to go there and they settled on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/300">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► this overarching theme of community that the apple store to be the central hub of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/303">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► the Apple community and it starts with those giant 40-foot doors on both sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/307">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► that you make your Apple car drive through jokes but they really want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/311">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► able to open up the entire store and make it part of that block almost like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/314">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► one open-air market interesting I I you know and I can definitely say here in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/318">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► Philadelphia I i tend to walk by the you know it's just it in a busy retail area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/325">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► so no surprise that I'm not walking by the apple store a lot and you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/331">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► most apple stores always almost always very pretty crowded and it's definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/336">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► not just people who are shopping for things I mean there are definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/341">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► people who just going to hang out you know check their email and and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/344">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► yeah and the end they're taking that whole approach they're applying it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/349">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► everything so there's a giant screen now and if people remember that used to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/354">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► movie theater at the old union square store but now they have this giant 6k [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/357">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► display and it looks seamless to me it looked like it was actually one display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/361">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► and I immediately just wanted to take it home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/364">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► they don't sell it and that's right in the middle of what they call forum now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/366">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► and forum has this little box and ball seats that you can sit on and they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/370">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► make it one big room where a developer or an expert can come and give a talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/374">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► with you can also split up into smaller area so you can have several people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/378">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► doing smaller talks the same time and the screen can be used for presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/382">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► but also just shows information and all the iconography is exactly like iOS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/385">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► San Francisco is a typeface so it it was built to be an apple product what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/391">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► old what iOS look like running on a 6k displays exactly what you'd expect with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/395">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► yeah I get this big displays are part of the I mean and every you know a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/400">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► these stores are have to fit the existing space they can't just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/406">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► here's the dimensions that we want its you know we're in a historic building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/411">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► here so you know here's you know here's what we have to work with but those big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/414">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► displays are definitely part of the new store design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/418">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► yeah they took the genius bar in the city would be nice bar it's got some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/422">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► negative connotations like it's loud it's noisy people are elevating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/426">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► everyone's fighting for their chance to get to the genius bar tender and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/429">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► not the experience they want to give anymore especially now that a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/432">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► software and and basic health and how to stuff is moved online so now they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/435">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► the genius grove which is right up front honest or not in the back anymore and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/438">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► it's part of its part of that area where the forum is with a lot of these open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/442">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► tables and open seating and those trees that people might have seen at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/445">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► Belgium store previously you can just go and sit there and get help with your mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/448">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► or iphone or ipad for hardware issues or other things they can't solve online and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/452">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► not feel sort of crowded around a little table anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/456">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► that's interesting it's interesting that they would move that to the front the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/459">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► whole thing was to producing to have a boardroom there and I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/462">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► they said like some of these features will move to other stores and some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/465">TS</a>]
00:07:48 ◼ ► them have tried already but there's something called boardroom where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/468">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► apples approaching enterprise and big business with oracle partnerships and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/471">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► IBM partnerships but for smaller businesses for entrepreneurs 4pcs for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/475">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► some sort of the Kickstarter stuff they have boardroom now where people can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/479">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► in and not only get help with that but also network and make connections and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/483">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► they're saying that such a that part of san francisco is so rich with that kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/487">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► of culture that they wanted a nexus almost like an apple central Nexus for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/490">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► them and became the boardroom area and the retail stuff was super interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/493">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► too because they have the Avenue now so the Avenue used to have those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/498">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► accessories but if anyone has seen pictures of the new infinite loop store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/502">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► or the new store in New York and I think the one in Belgium to they've got these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/504">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► these pains instead of just having cases that there's cases on shelves and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/509">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► see the individual cases so they have it's an avenue to have almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/513">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► little boutiques called windows where there's different sets of accessories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/516">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► like cases and photography equipment music and they have a new Apple job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/519">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► they're called the creative pro and the creative pros job is to help you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/522">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► supposed to touch everything try everything sample [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/527">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► everything and if you need help i'll show you the basics if you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/529">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► the basics of photography music but they can also go up to and including lessons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/533">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► on final cut pro or logic pro if you want to take that that next step up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/536">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► they really want to make that sort of your introduction to apple experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/540">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► and it really is the whole back of the store just one long run for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/543">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► so what do you think that gets it an improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/547">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► it's just an evolution it's it's super interesting the last thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/550">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► invention is that they also have this garden is neglected area they've turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/554">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► into a garden where 24 7 Wi-Fi with seating and it's can fit up to 200 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/557">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► people and it's it's interesting as an experiment and i like that Apple is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/561">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► just doing that incremental thing that they're willing to take risks with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/565">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► that you know Johnny I've and dandelions are passionate about this it'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/568">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► interesting to see how people react to it i usually go into an apple store to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/572">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► see like dozens of kids around a machine to use facebook or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/575">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► but this this really does seem like a place where people like us where we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/579">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► really good at handling Apple technology we only go there if we break our screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/584">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► or something and we need a logic board to play something something really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/587">TS</a>]
00:09:50 ◼ ► serious happens but for a lot of people um I feel totally alienated going into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/590">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► lot of course I go into a liquor store and I got a text you or somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/594">TS</a>]
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00:12:37 ◼ ► design was sort of like being inside a probably at the time it was a powerbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/757">TS</a>]
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00:13:19 ◼ ► renovated to be updated to the more humane look but this new look which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/799">TS</a>]
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00:13:39 ◼ ► that was so used to and seeing on the stories they now actually have something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/819">TS</a>]
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00:14:24 ◼ ► I worry that maybe they're getting a little unfocused that maybe you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/864">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► that that shouldn't there be a focus to this and i would say that originally the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/870">TS</a>]
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00:14:39 ◼ ► touch apple products because it's the best way and and i think this was a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/879">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► more important in the early parts of the last decade you know let's say the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/883">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► when people call them the ipod company because people didn't know apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/889">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► products because they were you know rats relative to now so many you know or an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/893">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► order of magnitude fewer customers maybe two orders of magnitude for customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/898">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► and the thing that makes apple products desirable is are things that you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/902">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► have to see them and use it yourself to see how nice they are like you can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/908">TS</a>]
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00:15:28 ◼ ► the trackpad is then the windows trackpad you might be used to etcetera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/928">TS</a>]
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00:15:54 ◼ ► hub i wonder if-if there you know just again to play devil's advocate is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/954">TS</a>]
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00:17:32 ◼ ► lately where they have later where they have a Tesla store and test the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► looks very much like that front of that apple store once that's open they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► room for to Teslas and about the bottom chassis there so three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1059">TS</a>]
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00:20:40 ◼ ► these new five special features they roll out to other stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► how long does it take to happen yeah I II you know I bet fairly quickly but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► it's you know it's certainly interesting and it certainly does answer the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► question of what's Angela Ahrendts been up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► yeah she's been busy and anyone who like again anyone who students on campus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► knows that she's been super engaging so busy since she took over just even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► transition from the prior to Angela errands online and retail were separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► operations and she's been unifying those anything that giant i'm online store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► makeover at the end of last year we took them right from that stuff was terribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► outdated technology and they went like whether you like it or hate it you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► can't browse anymore but a technologically speaking the new apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► store take a flip the switch and it appeared one day which is a remarkable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► yeah and you know it's it's got to be a stressful job D'Angela Lawrence because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► and I you know famous the apple doesn't really run by profit and loss centers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► you know there's no you know target for profit from the ipods and a target for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► profit from Max and I mean I'm sure they have internal goals but they don't run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► like a division like that but retail by definition i mean at the end of the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► you know you you know there's these fixed costs like the lease of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► building and all of the salaries for all of the employees and then there's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► much money you made by selling products and it's you know if if there is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► know like a decline in that it's going to you know be noticeable yeah an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► again famously doesn't have presidents but if you look at the size of the apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► store business and you want some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► the itunes where they need marketing between all these divisions to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► stuff for them it's much more than a branch like engineering or branch like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► Silicon technologies would need yeah it's you know it's an incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► operation really is i wonder how many stores they have no I forget the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► but they was the anniversary i think the 15th or something anniversary yesterday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► yeah so from one store to another the app store and in the news lately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► developers something's they flip some sort of switch within the last two weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► or so and review times at the App Store haven't just gotten better it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► it's like overnight it went from a roughly one week review process like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► is version 1.2 of my appt i'm submitting it to the app store for years I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► entire life of the app store you know going back to $MONTH 2008 you could more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► or less expect about a week before your appt if if it goes through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► about a week before it is you get the email that says okay you know it's ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► to go just hit this button and it will be live in the store and now it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► one day and at times it's within a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► there's a story cable sasser posted a tweet that one of the people at panic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► published not a panic capitals private appt in a personal appt at ten-thirty in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► I got a notice at three thirty in the afternoon that there was a crasher and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► it was actually a legitimate chrysler so it was like hey thanks for finding this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► at five thirty or so submitted a fixed version and like by like nine o'clock at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► 830 at night it was ready to go so within a day they submitted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► hey guys submitted an app that found crashers resubmitted a fixed version and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► published it to the store so something's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► yeah it's super interesting to me because immediately everyone's like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► Phil Schiller phil schiller but you know phil has been charged with a profuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► since the beginning that's always been part of them of of his organization the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► way that evangelism is needed of dr is that's always been a phil schiller thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► so I just wondered that now that filter has total control of the app store they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► did there's no more you know what we put on any what we put on Phil is anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► get this its we do we need this fixed Phil you're going in there to fix that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► it has to be fixed and that prompts a lot of action I I guess is that did what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► I mean I think it's a couple of things like one is you know well i'm not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► developer but I think we've had apps just the company i work with has had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► apps in the App Store for a very long time and usually what i would seek some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► on the email chain is the app gets submitted and then you don't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► anything for about a week and then at the week . it says your app is now a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► review and then usually very quickly after that is either approved or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► so the actual review processes was always very very quick it was just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► part getting your app into that review process that seemed to take a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► and then when the google play store famously switch to reviews that that gap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► was much less that they were doing something maybe not to the extent that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► Apple was doing it but they were they didn't have that long gap for your app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► we're going to review and that was really what seemed to be killer for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► people and now that app that gap is gone and my understanding is I forget how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► long it was maybe three or four weeks ago there was just a major reorg in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► organization and they they change some things that I I think needed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► changing everybody involved knew that they needed to be changed talking mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► like I don't name names here but people probably know who were who was involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► in an organization because they did get attention years ago that got moved and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► and those people are no longer there and it seems like that that was the fix that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:39 ◼ ► needed to be made at least is the high-level fix that need to be made to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1539">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► yeah I wonder if the i think it was in January where they announce or maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► was december yeah it looks like it was back in December so is at the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► year and apple made an announcement where that just did they promote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1554">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► somebody I think that somebody got promoted to be a senior vice president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► and what's-his-name that the chip guy alternative energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► yeah Johnny Sergey got promoted to senior vice president and they put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► app store they did which used to be under any Q they moved it to fill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► Schiller's group and uh I I can't help but think it's not i don't even think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► it's like a film versus anything I think it's sort of a fell through the cracks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► because like you said app review was always part of developer relations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► developer relations has been under phil schiller going back to the nineties i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► mean III as long as shoulders been there i think shoulders been in charge of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► you know that the not that he runs it you know he's obviously got a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► responsibilities but ultimately whoever's in charge of developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► relations is a direct report to Phil Schiller and I can't help but think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► having the app store as a everything else related to the appstore being under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► Eddie's group and review under Phil's group it just creates a crack that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► think the sub optimal you know week long process which was obviously I I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► the app store is a huge success for Apple let's just look at this from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► Apple's perspective and I'm not trying to make excuses for it I'm just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► it objectively just no way you could argue that the app store especially on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► I mean it's in my opinion literally responsible for the fact that app is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► word that everybody knows it is a common it's you know it's just a word that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► everybody knows that really wasn't the case before the iphone people didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► talk about apps at least outside you know our sphere and here it's a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► so I think a lot of the complaints that have come inside come on what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► complained about this thing is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► whereas I think putting it all under fill' eliminates that crack and it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► lot easier to say look there's no but we can't pass the buck here we're the group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► in charge of this this isn't great a week-long review process is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► Apple can do better than that we can't you know we Apple can't say we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► have the resources to do better than this we have billions of dollars we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► absolutely i'm so around that time there was a reworked in the marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► organization as well and you'll fill our took full responsibility for the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► store but at the same time you let someone like great jobs back was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► phenomenal took on full product marketing responsibilities cross the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► range of apple products like iOS devices anymore and i think that a lot of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► to sort of focus down on these issues and avoid anything slipping through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► as Apple scales socialist phenomenal lady was phenomenal at craig Venter case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► phenomenal but the amount of product that they have to ship now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► exponentially bigger than what the internship several years ago and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► still human beings and they can't they can't look at everything all the time so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► having people who have that more focused responsibility i think it is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► great like I for a long time all I wanted from Apple was a front-facing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► vice president of App Store and what skills surely not keep any better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► that world because Phyllis it's funny because you have certain personalities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► from the Apple groups like always seems like everything's group is slightly you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► know louder shirts and a little a little looser going and filler is like very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► very focused and and really cares about the user experience they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► these distinct personalities but giving him the app store and letting it run and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► I think regardless of whether the organization has always been his lesson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► focus down on that and say hey if if I'm waking up today and I want to make apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► for a phenomenal product and not just for developers but for users because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► I there's a plugin app I don't want that plug for a weekend with that bug fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► immediately and be having to wait for a developer to get a review i feel bad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► the developer behind my bug fix this i think there's a really big facing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► what do you think so what do you think they're doing differently i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► part that I think it's just they made personnel changes that they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► should have made years ago I mean likely when you do we need to hear what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► going on behind some of this like you we see the stuff on the outside but Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► people inside Apple field of stuff feel the same kind of pain we do it in AC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► decisions that don't make any sense of reversals and things like that and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► it kept coming back to sort of the same group people and and rewarding that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► seems to have taken care of that so like I don't know if there is technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► issues they change to but it just seems like this really coincided with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► reorganizing out it has to be there has to be procedural differences though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► there has to be something that they're doing procedurally that is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► than what they were doing before it because it's it's just even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► throwing more reviewers at it if it was a backlog I don't think would result in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► same day submissions i know i just was listening to ATP this morning and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► Marco had the exact same experience where it he had a same-day approval of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► which it just had the same day is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► that's just not how the app store looks so something is different procedurally I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► i think that with this reorg the reorg put people in place who were willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► institute the procedural changes that we're seeing and I think one of them it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► has to be something where where they've enabled reviewers to sort of look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► history of a developer i'm just guessing this i'm just a guess but let's say okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:21 ◼ ► it's from Marco Arment and here's the history of submissions that he's made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1881">TS</a>]
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00:31:31 ◼ ► many updates he has submitted he's never liked abused the system by like i like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► can't help but think that if you like started submitting builds daily that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► you just like every single like if you started submitting like the equivalent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► of nightly builds yes you're not going to get same-day approval I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► they're going to you know i would guess look at the history and put the brakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► on that and say no but if your history is wow that you've never been a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► you know this is obviously a legitimate app here let's just make sure that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► are no crashers you know it's open it up and and go through and see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► everything works okay there you go you're you're through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► yeah and it's I think it's exactly that i think it's it's putting together a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► smart system and what I liked about cables tweet 2 is that caused the crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► crash was fixed then the app one out so it's not just they're not just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► suddenly opening the gates a fine to get rid of the backlog special apps out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► there running those instruments and they're running those tests and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► finding those things and then that flags and maybe they're paying better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► attention to say we caught this blog I all the guys resubmitted let's go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► nothing else was wrong with it and maybe just they got rid of people whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► opinions were not congruent or weren't easy to work with or word holding back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► other people because it really it if you think about it linearly should not be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► preview or making choices about what is and what isn't proper user experience as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1964">TS</a>]
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00:32:51 ◼ ► before and after every hits review so it getting out getting all that out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► way and putting in that system and then just applying it i think is the key to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► yeah i think so but it's very very good news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► and I just you know it's one of those rare things that there is no downside to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► this whatsoever there is no so whatever they're doing an apple whoever if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► listening and you work in developer relations the entire world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► third-party developers says thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/1998">TS</a>]
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00:33:24 ◼ ► phenomenal business for apple and developers do have pain . and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► really hard it's not hard but it's hard emotionally to sort out a lot of friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► are developers and you'll go to WWDC and see the appstore labs and a developer go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► in there and see I made a great app you're going to feature it and they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► what's your marketing plan developers don't need one you going to feature it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► they're like well will feel even if we do feature that's one week out of 51 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► know what are you doing for the other 51 weeks and that's the kind of thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► absolutely can't really fix they'll never be able to let the matter how good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► your app is they'll never be able to artificially make it app especially in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► the climate we are now but they can fix a lot of things like search searches a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► solved problem i type in 20 baht actually get to it but it should be this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► no discussion about that anymore google can handle that I think alta vista [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► handle that but it's still something that's not workable on the app store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► I don't understand the technical reasons like I understand the infrastructure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► why doesn't it wasn't their metadata layer that just the intermediates that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► stuff and then finds goes to the old-school database system pulls likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► results and gives me that in search widens sloppy search nearest neighbor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► all these things these can help developers if i search for twitter i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► should get relevant results not just a linear like in it all this has twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► the name I want we bought in that in that result and that sort of thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► think that affects customers and effects developers and it's something that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► Apple absolutely knows about that and they feel that pain but those are sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► of things that i really hope they figure that fixed sooner rather than later it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► they yeah that it's gotta be I hope so I hope that this is a sign that makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► think that i would bet on them fixing the App Store search in the near future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2095">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► just because it seems like somebody's paying attention to these little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► long-standing issues and that's another one that's super long standing and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► made the exact same argument I don't care how hard a check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► uncle problem it is Apple is it cannot cry poor right yes they and and it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► you know however hard it is it's obviously been solved and so that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► know the standard is the bar is google right and I should you should not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► able to get better search results by typing into Google box like your example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:36 ◼ ► tweet bot iOS you should not have ios app you should not get be more likely to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2136">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► be led to tweet pot then if you type Tweetbot in the app store it's got to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► that good and it's you know it can't be as hard as web search because web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► searches searching everything you're only searching this I don't care how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► many at you know million apps you have your only searching your own apps i I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► just feel like Apple got burned by the whatever original algorithm they use for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► search where they trusted the metadata from developers and open the door to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► being scammed that's I mean it's a huge part of the problem with the search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► results is that you get search results that are unrelated and if you actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► like look at the metadata it's that they've put like in in their list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► keywords that you know we want to be searched by they put competing app games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► in which is supposed to be against the rules but it obviously doesn't get flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► yeah I mean to go back to your to your pointer to go i i i i believe is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► customers job to protect me even from myself so I really a very hesitant to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► ever play user for something and if I'm doing something wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► that's fine i'm doing wrong but its toll if I'm using a company like Apple I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► them to do everything possible to stop me from making mistakes and I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► need keywords like that that's part of the point is bewildering to me is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► you just and I hate saying this because it's so easy to say how you can fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► these things but i'm just talking about i type in Tweetbot without and i miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► the eat because I'm human and make a spelling mistake and it doesn't result [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► doesn't rely on keywords at all that just you have a database of things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► you know how to do nearest labor and search widening and basic things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► search has been doing for a decade and you know what was with the most popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► result is that's close to that one and you provide me with that result because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► that's that's what i want and you kind of do that extra work to give me what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► want and it sort of feels like iTunes which is the the overarching instructor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:24 ◼ ► all this was built the app store is built on the itunes store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2244">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► originally designed to handle music all of this to me is almost like apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► version of windows XP where you have just a legacy product that needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► serve hundreds of millions of people with an incredibly diverse range of use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► cases like jim dalrymple wants 10 versions of every ozzy osbourne song to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► play exactly the one he wants whenever he wants it wants it but I i just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► Syria to say you don't play me the smooth criminal cover-up likely and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► just does it and I have zero music in my library and then there's some someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► who just bought an ipod nano at best buy and wants to think that on their windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► pc using itunes over a cable and you also on top of that you have billions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► dollars of transactions moving through it and the person at virgin music who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► knows how to use the crazy backend of itunes the way Bloomberg terminal person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► knows how to use Bloomberg and they just have to upload their entire music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► catalog for that week and they think would want anything to change because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► they know how to do it even if it is horrible and balancing all of that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► super easy on the internet to say just fix itunes and just fix this i would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► want that job it just sounds like again like another one was impossible jobs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► me but it is one of those jobs at apple has to figure out and fix because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2312">TS</a>]
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00:38:43 ◼ ► dishonest species clicks collectively you can't trust metadata I mean right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► mean this it sounds laughable but in the old days you know in the nineties there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► is a time or search engines you you'd put the meta tag in your HTML and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► like meta and here you're supposed to list like a handful of keywords that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► like what is this page about and search engines would take those and actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► like trust them and so as soon as people figured out that the search engines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► actually trust them they would just start loading it up with anything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► everything to get SEO it was keywords nothing it's ridiculous and of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► anything that can be abused is going to be abused and unfortunately the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► store it can be abused and it is it's you know you see at any time you type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► like a popular apt name and always unrelated app show up and it's like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► yeah which is what google solved for x you they originally had like Authority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► and now I think they're judging and social shares and other things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► you try to determine the authority of the result and give people the results [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► that are widely respected not just the ones that are they have no data that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► you're looking for right like that it's the actual actions of users that Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► trust including things like being able to see like okay you search for x y&z [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2395">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► and we made this the second result but you clicked it that's the one you click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► and then I search for x y&z and it's the second result but it's the one I clicked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► because I realized that what I want and they're like what that must be a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► result for x y&z maybe we should make that the top result for x y&z because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► all these people are clicking you know they do things like that that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► can't be cheated i guess you could try to cheat by having you know bots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► clicking or whatever but google you know fights against it anyway at it needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► be the app store needs to be as good as google search . yes for just wraps right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► yeah they get but it's again like I don't know if you caught me search for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► email but I was trying to search for email this morning to find something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► knew was there and it was inside the email app it's a nightmare and but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► gotta spotlight works fucking know whatever whatever they're doing it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► way there just has to be a better way of doing it and I know they walk this back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► they're going to have this process because you're super concerned about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:56 ◼ ► privacy where they would surface apps online for you if you are looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2456">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► them but they they they know who has what app installed so if if the twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2460">TS</a>]
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00:44:50 ◼ ► where Apple tends to have fewer people on stage on Apple's pacing in a keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► is always better than everybody else's and for someone like me who's default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► keynote two watches an apple keynote it makes everybody else's seem a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2701">TS</a>]
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00:45:11 ◼ ► off to the next presenter it is longer in a google keynote than apple keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2711">TS</a>]
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00:45:20 ◼ ► and sometimes I help out where we transcribe CEO Tim Cook historically his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► comments and i had to do that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► we have a site now Tesla central for elon musk's last conference call and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2728">TS</a>]
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00:45:37 ◼ ► second word was like and and he would interrupt himself through half of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► half way through every sentence and it was incredibly hard to transcribe them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2740">TS</a>]
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00:45:46 ◼ ► how well apples like just not not just what they say but how polished they all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2746">TS</a>]
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00:45:55 ◼ ► like a legal transcription where you're documenting every single word out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► mouth you really want to get like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► here's what he meant to say transcription not that you want to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2762">TS</a>]
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00:46:09 ◼ ► like that you don't want that in the transcription what you're doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► trying to make a transcription that's easier for your readers to learn what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2771">TS</a>]
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00:46:24 ◼ ► the idealized version right out of his mouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2784">TS</a>]
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00:47:05 ◼ ► through the stuff in order will start with the google home now this leak the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2825">TS</a>]
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00:47:48 ◼ ► they won't fall they don't fall down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2868">TS</a>]
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00:47:56 ◼ ► they first showed the product shots i thought it was going to be more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2876">TS</a>]
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00:48:04 ◼ ► it is and always listening speaker and you say like hey google to it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► a voice driven this just in conversation with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► yeah it was interesting to meet a couple vectors first amazon amazon has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► given a huge amount of credit for the Amazon echo and for alexa but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2901">TS</a>]
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00:48:29 ◼ ► unilingual product and it's impressive what they do with it but the solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► set that they have to offer is so incredibly small compared to what Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► or Google or offering with multilingual support and for example with the apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2917">TS</a>]
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00:48:45 ◼ ► languages within the same query like I can I speak French too so i can in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► French ask for an english movie title and that is an incredibly hard problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► to solve that Apple is solving and as far as i know Alexa is nowhere near so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2932">TS</a>]
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00:49:08 ◼ ► introducing this it won't it'll be an english-only American product that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► be something that becomes competitive internationally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2952">TS</a>]
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00:49:26 ◼ ► he was the one giving the the home pitch at least in the beginning was he started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► off basically saying how wonderful it was that Google understood context and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► he basically described the sequential inference engine that Siri launched with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2974">TS</a>]
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00:49:41 ◼ ► was impressive technology the things that he that he said Google home could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► do the things that serious done for years and things that Apple TV launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2985">TS</a>]
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00:49:54 ◼ ► Apple's doing with Syria right now but he didn't show me that he made it sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► like Google was invented the very basics of voice assistance and i will say and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► spoke about this last week on my show I guess it was two weeks ago but the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► episode with ben thompson who Ben Thompson is a bit is more of a bowl on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► the echo and I know Marco Arment is too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► and i think the difference i'm not i just got 1a few weeks ago at the because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► those guys were saying how good it was and I really really do think that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► voice driven assistant thing is in the coming decade going to be it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► not that it's going to replace touch but it we're on the cusp of getting this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► be really useful and therefore it's it's definitely going to happen and so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► really want to stay up to date with what everybody's doing and it's easier for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► to do it cuz i'm in the US and I speak english so i can use the Amazons product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► i think that those two are much happier with the echo than I am because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► have a lot of smart home stuff in their houses that that hook up to the echo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► i don't i don't have any smart light bulbs or anything like that and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► therefore what the echo does for me is almost nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► it's you know i can get the weather and even that even with the weather it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► like a lot of times I just want to know the temperature because I can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► outside whether it's raining or not but I gets in our kitchen and we have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► know a window like like humans do so I could see what if it's sunny or overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► rainy i just want to know how if I need a jacket and if I ask Alexa for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► temperature she gives me the whole weather including the temperature but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► the temperature doesn't come until like halfway through the weather report and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► yes sirree is better at stuff like that like you can ask Siri for the weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► and you get a whole weather forecast but if you just ask for the temperature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► outside she'll just tell you the temperature and I've had to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► useful there's there's several things I hear that at least for me or are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► interesting that Amazon again that product is stuck in your house and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3116">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► have Siri on my wrist to have it in my pocket I have it on my lap with my ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► and maybe soon with the mac and i also that's why Siri goes with me everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► and that means that everything that i have connected to series with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► everywhere and i do have a lot of the connector technology in my house like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► have a lot of the few lightbulbs for example but also LED panels that i use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► for video podcasting are connected to an ihome plug because you know there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► Hugh lightbulb giant LED panels but because I named them correctly if I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► turn on my studio lights it knows that the plug is called the light too so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► just turns it on and something every light is on there and I say make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► it does all those things and its way money like what are you using to drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► that sirree yes sirree does all that for me and how did you connect that to Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► so it's eerie works through home kits or anything that's home kiddo where we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► just we'll work with a series of commands with Syria has triggers and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► has rooms and it has advanced and has all sorts of really really fun a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► powerful stuff that you can use it already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► I so I don't this is something I need to catch up on but I how do you configure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3174">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► cell phone home kit is their home kidnap I don't even know so there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► internally there's a home is a home out they haven't yet the rumor is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► every year they say they're going to ship it and the rumors will ship this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► year but you can configure it in any home kiddo we're out that i bought a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► ten-dollar up off the app store called home that's really good that just shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► me every room in the house and every device that's connected to an every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► state of it i can make quick changes and it very quickly so you is because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► honestly didn't wouldn't even know where to start like if a whole bunch of home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► kit stuff showed up at my house and I plugged it in and I don't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► where to start on that in that iOS you're saying you just you gotta get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► nap and so you got an app called home and home is a third-party app that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► pay ten bucks for and it uses apples home kit api's that they've been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► about for a while to to allow you to just set this stuff up and use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► camera to scan the barcode on devices set up for you give it a name you sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:49 ◼ ► into a room you can have multiple houses set up at you you can to iCloud you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3229">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► control things remotely so that i'm not at home i can still use Siri on my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► for example to control thought the lights in the house it works really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► really well and because it's not for me i was that has big problems and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► again they're us focus but it's very including that one could ever have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► presence in China because they have their own retailers i have their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► survey and I want a product that if I'm in Europe you know still works great for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► me and if I'm traveling on business to orphan child I speak very bad manners by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► speak a little bit mandarin and Syria supports that sporty brew it does all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► these things to me that makes it much it has the potential to be a much greater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► solution and I think so does google now than anything amazon is fielding Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► described who are not google alexa that the as a sort of like a voice driven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► command-line mean yes that it's in the same way that a command line at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► the arguments in the exact right order it is rigid like that the command line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► is not plain English you know you don't just type show me a list of the files in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► this folder you have to type LS and if you type LS / r dash a you get all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3294">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► them and you know the arguments have to be the exact right way and then once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► learn those arguments to alexa in the right order to put them it is very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► reliable and it's you know it's all you know nearing a hundred percent accuracy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► that that the voice recognition will recognize it will quickly parse it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► will quickly get the result back in the cloud but that's exactly why I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► now i'm not going to say a dead end because they can obviously scrap it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► replace it with a new engine at some point but i just feel though that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► rigidity that's what Marco like that's what Ben Thompson likes about it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► it's dependable because you can learn it but I also feel like ultimately its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► limiting because there's gonna be so many things we want to use these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► for and I I don't know I i know a lot of people out there every time I mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:47 ◼ ► that Syria is actually gotten a lot better and it's is noticeably improved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3347">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► to me in every way both in terms of the speed like when i justjust want to and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► know attributing at all to Siri is is not quite right because like if I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► in my message and and I want i'm walking on the sidewalk so I want to dictate a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► text message that's not really serie it's just the voice recognition but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► does go round trip to the cloud and it is so much faster than it used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► it's really even local on the latest iPhones if you can connect it will still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► watch dictation locally right we'll do some of it locally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► I'm it's gotten so much better it's super useful to me but I actually do use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► Siri quite a bit and there's so many things that Siri can do and and that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► i just take a guess whether you know that seems like something serious could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► do i'm often right and one of them example is that Siri now knows the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► spreads for like NFL games NBA games so like if you will I wanted to know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► the . spread was for the second Golden State Warriors Oklahoma City game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► because I wanted to see if it went up because everybody was expecting golden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► state to win because they lost game one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► and Cirie instantly knew the point spread and I thought wonderful extra can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3416">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► no no no chance this it's it's I used to be all the time to let go if i'm driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► i'll just use Siri and have an idea for an article just tell her to take a note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► and it comes out well enough that I can quickly put an article together but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► beyond that what i really like about it is it does do that sequential inference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► so if I say turn on my studio lights it turns on the lights just in the studio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► and I say makeup purple it knows that I'm still talking about the light so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► makes the lights purple if I say make them white it'll say I can't make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► white but i can turn them into sunlight and to me that that's kind of tedious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► because like just understand that I need to have any way to do it don't give me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► the back chat but at least he's smart enough to not do what I was complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► about before that is to widen its search and figure out what i want and do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► even if it's not exactly what I was not doing exactly what I asked for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► yeah so one of the things that Google home does that seems really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► is it integrates with chromecast's that you might have in your house and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► is an interesting demo in in the demo video they had were the there's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► boy asking something some kind of question about space or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► that and then he just said put it on the TV and it put whatever he was searching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► for on the TV now some of that is a bit of a cheap because the TV you know at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► least my TV but you you would actually have to already have picked the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► chromecast is the hdmi input in the TV would have to already be on but still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► that's pretty that's a pretty cool trick it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► yeah there's a lot of things in there that seemed almost cause I magical and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► one of the big things especially the Amazon echo is the API access and you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► probably heard the same as I am that these rumors of Serie A p is for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► but out right now Apple has not shipped in a app Siri API so third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► software and services are beyond homepage can't access it and that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► women what it can do but i'm wondering when we eventually do get that new apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► remote app will have sort of built the ability to control certain apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► through our iPhone because Apple is very good at sort of leveraging all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► technologies with things like continuity and hand off that will will get sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► those abilities and maybe Google is using the same thing that you'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► remote doesn't it turns it on that the hdmi throughput tells TV and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► else to go to the right place and if you have things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► back right setup it all works a little bit of credits that is as far as i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:13 ◼ ► it's not shipping for months though so it's still a preview never know how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3553">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► of a preview will actually be finished and ready enough to launch the product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► was out the door yet nothing I don't think anything that they announced in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► the keynote yesterday is shipping it even the software like Android and still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► in beta and the device is quote later this fall or something like that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► the the chat apps are such i think they said summer or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► i do question big picture I mean I well do you think so now of the three have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► Amazon Apple and Google now two of the three have announced this echo like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► standalone voice assistant device and no screen just speaker you talk to it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3592">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► would ship a product like that i mean like the rumors of them doing that for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► while and it was all mixed into I think the apple TV is was a really complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:07 ◼ ► project they weren't many many directions with it you know that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3607">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► different than what they ultimately ship but there was this idea that it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► the central home hub and with service wasn't nexus for controlling everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► within your house and ultimately didn't go that way but there's a lot of choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► that apple would have to make to make that product look at the apple TV they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► very clearly said that you have to hold down this button when you talk to Siri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► and that's fine when you're just sitting there in front of your TV with remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► but if you want a ubiquitous device that that's like echo or that's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► Google home device you have to eliminate that you have to just let people talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► it which means you have to have a live mic in the living room almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► Microsoft did that with kinect as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► an apple is the company has to be willing to say we're going to put a live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► mic in your living room and this is very counter to what they've done with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► products previously yeah i don't know i don't think Apple would do this and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► I i think that these voice driven assistants are absolutely positively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► going to be there already useful but they're going to be way you know in 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► years so now we're going to look back and say how do we how do we get by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► without him I'm not sure that this standalone speaker microphone of devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► the form factor to do it because it doesn't seem to scale and I know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► ask i don't know i know some people were asking like what do you know what if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► have multiple of these google home devices you know one on each floor did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► they work together and the answer is not yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► like I'm not quite sure that that's the answer to how you have this everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► you want it is by setting up these speaker devices that you know I almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► feel like the speaker devices should be dumb terminals not yes central hub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► yeah I mean to have the speaker and say play the meeting i'm going to play this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► song right now and then it comes out and it sounds good and it's there to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► listen but i don't think i think it should just be like a dumb terminal it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► yeah i went to a demo at nuance 60 in terms of the actual opposite of that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► going to add anything you want as a hell of a press event and I want to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► it and they were showing their version of this and it was a couple years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► but they wanted to make sure that if you were talking you know your kid couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► interrupt you so you could snap your fingers twice and you have a camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► three microphones beam for monument as you walked around it would stay locked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► to you so you could talk and nobody else would get me crosstalking on that and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► seems like the most overwrought of all these possible solutions but then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► other day I was raising my arm to just stretch and I wanted to talk to i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► to ask Siri something so I said you know Cirie and because i was moving my arm my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► Apple watch activated because i had an iphone with me the iphone activated by I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► 9.7 inch iPad pro activated because the 12-inch was plugged in that activated as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► well so I had lie i just said to turn on the lights and in all these 45 water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► says we were said yes yes all at once the lights just went on so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► which one was ultimately responsible for it but it means like there's just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► much potential for collision and and sort of figuring out what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► behavior like how do you know which device is closest to me and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► which one I'm talking to you because maybe my watch is closer but I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► move it so series not listening and maybe buy my iphone is across the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3776">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► in my mac is in my lap but i really am talking to my iphone and solving those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► yeah i would say it's exactly the point I was going to make is that ok i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► think that this echo like speaker thing is the ultimate solution to this to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► what is the device you by to have this interaction with the voice assistant but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► conversely i don't know that Apple's you know like let's just have hay and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► the name of the yeah I don't want to have to be put out hast you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► no sirree hey you know I I think I don't think that's the answer either to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► it on all of your devices because I've had the situation to where you try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► and multiple devices are plugged in and they all answer or you know the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► doesn't have to be plugged in anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► yeah so I don't know what the answer is I you know it's but it's definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► coming and I thought that some of the stuff that that they showed in that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► google home is really impressive but then some of it too is also it's it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3834">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► hand-wavy it's like a serious it's like you know like I could see like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► mom in the video she heard she got a notice that our flight was delayed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► and it's like you know what number one nobody ever your flight is never delayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► like if it's half an hour delayed that you just bored late they don't give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► a warning if your flights donate it's like ours but i think they wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► make it like a nice happy story so its value flights delayed by half an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► and so she said move my dinner reservation from 730 28 and it worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► and I could see that working because it's surely through opentable and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► think open tables ATP is would would allow that to work but there are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► other things that that they did that it just seemed like come on that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► I you know I i absolutely agree and one of the things about this technology is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► it really is a parallel interface like we will still have our tactical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► interfaces the natural language voice so powerful that will have these running in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► parallel and we won't really see it we've taken years to evolve just a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► of the basic things we now take for granted on the old mouse interfaces and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► now on and on the two gesture-based interfaces and it'll take some time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► sort of one of the things I worry about is immediately like I forget it was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► demo or the other demo we're just said you know buy movie tickets and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► petrified this ever since the iMessage changes I'm yesterday I shared my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► location with somebody by accident because it was instant and it wasn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► wasn't a person that was a problem for but location is highly sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► information to be hitting that by accident and not having sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► confirm deny requests in between that was hugely problematic for me and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► same idea with you like just get movie tickets just make a reservation and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► can go back and say oh no don't make them but just did it we don't seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► have all the steps that we have on our traditional interfaces get established [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► yeah I know siracusa called out the get indian food and it was like yeah it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► be at your house and it's like no but no confirmation is that what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► ordering or what restaurant it's just ok there will be indian food in a bag on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► your porch by the time you get home and it's like come on and it is the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► yeah it's one of those things it's really hard to do by voice and it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► have to it would necessarily require a lot of back-and-forth right over it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► should more or less be the same amount of back and forth that you would have if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► you actually called the restaurant and talk to a person you can have a standing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► like you could have gone to the trouble of presetting like this is my span order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► if I don't see anything else is the auto but that's a lot of faffing work they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► show off in the beginning and otherwise exactly to your point that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► some times when it's faster just topic but because your brain is reading all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► the information on the screen and can react to it you know with fingers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► taps faster than it could you have a long involved conversation with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► yeah soldier i think i'm gonna buy one of these but I don't know that i'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► to leave it on you know I don't know I've still got the echo downstairs but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► there is you know i might as well mention it i mean because in light of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► the you know I i just don't see how you can avoid the privacy implications to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► this I'm and even above and beyond the do you trust amazon with it always on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4016">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► microphone in your kitchen do you trust Google with this and you know the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► obviously for many many people is yes you know and his google learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► anything more about you than it already knows if you're heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► you know Google services user on but just think about it from like a law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► enforcement angle this is life is a dream from the FBI was locking ourselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► right like because imagine if you're under investigation and FBI goes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► google with a warrant and says you know we're investigating this individual rene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► ritchie I does he does he have a google home and if Google is legally compelled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► to say yes then they can issue a warrant that says well we we would like to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► that microphone recording everything that you know please send us the 24-hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► mp3 file of everything that gets said every day in this house like that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► something that they could compel google to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► it's funny one of my favorite you know it's it's a result phenomenal because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4077">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► collect the Librium and they have christian bale in it and he's a graviton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► cleric and they want to kill him at the end they say what's the easiest way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► he says what he says to ask you for it and it's true with passwords any law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► enforcement will tell you that often the easiest way to get somebody just asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► because we're happy to do a lot of things to ourselves just out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► convenience with no sense of security and that was one of the more troubling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► aspects of the google i/o to me is that a lot of the things that they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► requires me to remove encryption in order to have it done what they showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► off their and i know we'll get to it later but they showed off their chat app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► and they have an incognito mode and only when you go into incognito mode doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:37 ◼ ► that's because they want to do a lot of machine learning bots you know inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4117">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► that but that's me is done I i if I'm talking to you John and then I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► ask about something I still I still want that part i want my communication with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► you to B&N encrypted then if I address the bottom turn off the encryptions I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► back to talking to you turn it back on again and for the very reasons you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► mentioned that i have a personal belief that our phones are are like hard drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4136">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► for our brains and that they should be covered with a privilege that is beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► what spouses or priests or doctors or anybody enjoys in the lobby should just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► be almost in violet and that their data should not be accessible to law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► enforcement but we don't live in that world and and and the world were living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► and now we are giving away and leaking so much data that all of these products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► are huge concern I yeah I you know it's I I think that it's not going to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► people from using it and there's also been questions you know is now that our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► phones can listen to us is as law enforcement ever tried to compel Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:33 ◼ ► or somebody else to turn your iphone into a bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4173">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► I don't think that's ever happened and i'm not you know but it's obviously a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► concern now that we have these devices that are literally always listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:46 ◼ ► us i mean if you see there Edward Snowden her documentary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4186">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► no I haven't seen it it's great there's a scene in the very beginning and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► they're filming him and its actual film of him doing the first interviews that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► led to the articles i believe in The Guardian and right away there's an IP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4196">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► phone on the table and he unplugs it takes it apart and they're saying why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► are you doing that he said it has a speaker and they said it's not on he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► goes what do you mean it's not on right i just sit on the opposite ends of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► things and he would put his blanket over his head and his password because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► were cameras outside the windows and he's like you don't understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► degree to which we are doing surveillance on you that's creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► what's the name of the documentary citizen for citizen 5s something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► that i haven't seen I don't I can't really say why because it's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► I'm interested in and I love good documentary but it's terrific and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► that there's the feature film is coming out soon with ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► edward norton right is an Edward Albert implant I'm a dead ringer Reese yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► all these things go through your mind that you and apples taking great pains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► to take care of securing their building systems that they they themselves cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► two and that's the thing is that you might trust Google with your data but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► once someone else has your data I can take responsibility for losing my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► data but when somebody else has it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► I even if they don't do anything bad with the employees at that company or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► that company gets exploited or some place that they're using to store data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► gets broken into this did it creates this disability for that information to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► get even further out it's just one step removed it's one step less safe and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► those are really we don't think about it because convenience is such a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► selling point but eat this is super valuable things that's most valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:23 ◼ ► thing that we have is our information and and and I really worried about a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4283">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► of these products and what they'll turn us into yeah so the next thing they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► announce when you mention it it's their new chat app it's you know effectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► it's like they're what Google has had a lot of chat apps over the years so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► they're starting over with a new one it's called a low a alll oh thanks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► not a bad name i like it but they've wiped the slate clean this is not google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► hangouts this is a new thing it's a chat app so it's sort of a cross between I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► message and like whatsapp or something like that and it's not spaces we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► introduced I think three days before this one which also has chat features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► yeah that's it curious that they had that they release spaces before this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► then didn't talk about spaces in the keynote at all I haven't really looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:15 ◼ ► closely its paces yet but I've heard from a couple people that I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4335">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► because it looks like a really you know seems like a really useful thing I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► have so much fatigued it's like the virtual real estate is free so people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► can build as many things as they want but it's almost like if you if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► a garden and you're tending it and somebody gives you another garden and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► got a 10 that in another garden and then another garden and you start forgetting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► about the first one and it feels that way with all these programs like I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► have people contacting me on hangouts no google wave anymore thankfully but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► know there was google buzz and this google spaces and they just and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► have expectations once you use that if they send you a whatsapp message or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► snapchat that you're gonna get back to them and there's just more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► proliferation of all these services and it doesn't like it's slowing down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► just demands on our attention ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► yeah and it's not doing anything coherent with you and I understand it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4376">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► easier for them to launch two separate service but it's going back to work talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► it's not their job to do things that are easy for them is their job to do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► that are better for me and my world maybe baring it all in black would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:10 ◼ ► the best thing but you know Google could make a product that is coherent than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4390">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► that produces these features and gets rid of one that they'll find this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:16 ◼ ► valuable anymore that would be better for me as a customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4396">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► the thing about aloe is the privacy thing that you said so there's two modes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► in a low and the default mode includes like that did the you know what's new is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► that includes Googlebot interaction and so you can like at Google and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► in the middle of your chat and get answers to questions that you could ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► Google i can imagine that being useful but it seems weird that it's the default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► and then they call the other mode incognito mode which to me is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► problematic I I really really don't like using that and I know that the term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► comes from chrome where that's what they called the private mode for your tabs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► and I guess they're you know if you want to be aa give them the benefit of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:12 ◼ ► doubt that's why they chose the word incognito but to me that calling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4452">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► incognito it puts a slightly negative connotation on it that it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► that it did that's something that you use for something that you want to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► secret or something where you want to be anonymous you want to hide and it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► sort of carries like a negative like a negative connotation to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► whereas the word private which is what I think they should call it and i think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► should be the default is well of course you want privacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► yeah you know who doesn't want privacy and you know as as Christopher I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► to watch his last name sorts or your hands to do you pronounce his name not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► sure you know who he is now he's a privacy advocate and he's yes super good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► follow i'll put his twitter in the show notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► thank you but as he described it yesterday it the default mode of a low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:09 ◼ ► which is encrypted but it's not end-to-end encrypted so the privacy mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4509">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► I think the way what's app works is end-to-end encrypted so if i send a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► message on my message to you it is encrypted leaving my phone and it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► decrypted until it gets to your phone and in between like when it's in Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► hands it is in an encrypted state that they can read that's end-to-end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► encryption apples really only there to facilitate the one you know connecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► it's just a route and its end-to-end encrypted that's you know the term is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► exactly what it sounds like we're at the day makes it impervious to person to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► person in the middle attacks with you an important thing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► so if somebody you know hacks my or star fuck you know if i'm in starbucks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► i'm using the Wi-Fi and somebody else you know as you know is reading all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► stuff that goes through the Wi-Fi router all they see is the encrypted version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► the message the default mode for a low that includes the Googlebot by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:14 ◼ ► definition in order to have this interaction with the Googlebot it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4574">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► over https but it's encrypted from you to Google server then google sees what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► you type and then Google encrypts it to send it on to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► that's like exactly how the FBI want all of these services that's exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:33 ◼ ► the FBI has been pushing for in this entire argument and maybe you know not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4593">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► just the FBI here in the US but law enforcement you know like minded law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► enforcement in Europe and elsewhere and I'm certainly that the Chinese certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► that the Chinese government would like to be messaging services work like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► too because if it's only secure over-the-air from me to google and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► it's unencrypted on google site then then if Google is served a warrant to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► say let us see these messages were really it was really you know we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► conducting an investigation between john gruber and a rich either running a some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► kind of scam we need to see their messages they sit there they are right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► maybe I understand why google's doing it in the because it'd be better if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► all about machine learning in the more data you feed that the better it is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► they're getting access to add to what we're typing how are typing it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:26 ◼ ► we're typing it at all those discussions it really made fee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4646">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► an enormous scale it feeds their machine learning and artificial intelligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► projects but yeah they're giving me a free service in exchange and convenience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► is always at war with security but to your point that what Google wants here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► happens to be what everybody else wants and you could make a case that who will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► protect it but google is bound by bylaws and we don't know what those laws are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► going to be yet but also google is subject to abuse and we saw with the NSA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► then they started having access to this day they didn't just use it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► legitimate and noble government purposes but they used to keep track of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► ex-girlfriends and spy on people to do things and that you can say that won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► happen but the best way for that not to happen is what Apple's doing with they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► themselves do not have access to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► yeah that's it's exactly right and i know for a fact that I message was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► architected with that in mind it was you know the the high-level top one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► top bullet items was we need to design this system from the ground up so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► we can't we cannot see these messages even if compelled to do so by a warrant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:27 ◼ ► and facetime to which is why it's allowed to be using the medical injury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4707">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► because end-to-end encrypted and there's there's no chance for someone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► intercept of the and have private data we may be doing this with all their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► services systematically yeah so I really I IE I there's no other way for Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► to do this with the bot I don't think unless you know where I guess there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► are there are other ways where it would have to be like you said like where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► everything I typed us to land and encrypted yeah the only the at Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► once are not and I really feel like that they should and it doesn't seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► they're doing it i think that they should use do something visual like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► know the way that I message does green bubbles for SMS and blue bubbles for I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► messages they should do something to make clear what what is and an encrypted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► and what is not and I really added later dropped the ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► by doing this the the way that they're doing it and then it sort of deliberate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► but I really do feel like it's it's a problem I mean it's a service that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► wouldn't you know I wouldn't want to rely on and to your point I mean using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► the term being on the incognito it it's baffling to me because they're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► your phone number is unique identifier and that means that your definition that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► you're not a common yeah I'm messaging you incognito mode we still know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► each other are there's no identity question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► right it's it's not incognito it's really a problematic use of the word i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► really do think so because it's not the same as chrome chrome when you go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► incognito mode you really are anonymous release you know if it works the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► it's designed I don't know and obviously that could be a bug well even there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► it stops your history and it stops the cookies but unless you're using some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► form of a tractor and all those things blockers it's not stopping the web for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► monitoring your progress in general you have to go incognito and block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► yeah and it doesn't you know it doesn't route you through some kind of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► anonymizing service either your IP address still just your IP address you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► know but it is cut off from their regular cookie stashin and etc music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► history then next the the sibling oh by the way we should say that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► actually I think that's called his privacy board in case the one who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► started yes there is stuff are you mean yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► yeah I get its new private window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► yeah but again it's if it did the their use of incognito and aloe is really not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► that it's not that similar to to chrome and like you said your stolen you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► still your phone number and it's yep it you know guys I say thumbs down thumbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► down on the architectural design of a low or at least the the default should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► be flipped in my opinion the default should be what they call private mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► and then you should be able to turn on you know having give me some help from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4855">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► google bot mode and then there should be a very very clear visual indication that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► you're no longer private yeah the whole the whole like again like I said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► the technology was impressive but the presentations i think that the dude did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► not do the many services it's unclear to me like you and I are chatting on I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:16 ◼ ► message and I'm researching a squatting reminds me almost of those really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4876">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► early adventure games where you're standing on the edge of the forest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► River one side and you type and pick up the sword and it does that it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► it's not always an optical or we replace that those aren't our games running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► where we replaced that with easier for more direct want to make relation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:33 ◼ ► it's not clear to me exactly what you'd like you said or or Syracuse's said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4893">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► about the car is not clear to me how efficient this one communication will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► there will be specific cases where it's very useful but do I want my entire chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► experience assumed with these little use cases that I'm I might not ever make put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► yeah so the sibling app to a low is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► duo and it is you know I think it's very fair to say it's their answer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► facetime it is a live video chat I don't know if I there might be an audio mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4917">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► I I mean it doesn't demo as well but you know live video is a companion to a low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► so i'm guessing it still uses your phone number is identifier it is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► cross-platform and iOS and Android and like you said earlier you hinted at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► they have a feature they call knock-knock preview which me a set if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► call you it will start the video on me and the notification that you get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► know when it rings or whatever you know says you know when i'm i'm not knocking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► you it'll already be show you where i am who i am and what I'm doing it you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► already have the video to look at I don't know how who thought this was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► great like I understand they use like get someone's kids as a demo but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► know who decided that they had anybody has the right to put like video on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/4968">TS</a>]
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01:24:03 ◼ ► didn't mention apple and facetime but it's especially with the duo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5043">TS</a>]
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01:24:17 ◼ ► you can't just say it's a direct answer to I message and I message is a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► different message doesn't have stickers and it's really more about replacing SMS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► text messaging a but with duo it's impossible not to talk to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► this and not mention facetime and it looks like space line space is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5070">TS</a>]
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01:24:44 ◼ ► for years and you know there hasn't been a good answer for android users and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► there will be in it it's it's confusing because facetime you mean with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► stories well known steve jobs announced I was going to be an open standard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5095">TS</a>]
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01:25:01 ◼ ► then Apple got sued by root of x and basically the interior architect the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► rocketalk at Texas patent law and i believe they gone to court three times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5107">TS</a>]
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01:25:15 ◼ ► facetime it gets years later we have facetime audio now but we don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► facetime conference calls and it's a whole sort of really obvious features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► that Apple just being sued to oblivion by these companies not been able to roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5121">TS</a>]
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01:25:37 ◼ ► evolve to and skype has got all these features and hangout says conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► calls and i'm not sure what the exact difference is why they don't get sued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► the way that Apple has but it it really does sort of open up that that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► cross-platform dynamic that you want from services like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5148">TS</a>]
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01:26:03 ◼ ► clear and it's you know sort of the opposite of what was that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► thing that google built a couple years ago and it eventually disappear but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5169">TS</a>]
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01:26:19 ◼ ► nebulous and so grandiose in its ambitions that it they lost the point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5179">TS</a>]
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01:26:29 ◼ ► I mean it's like wiki chapters strange it was super ambitious but it really was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► I mean it was a fascinating like research endeavor but as just nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► near as cohesive as a product needs to be whereas these new apps are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:44 ◼ ► super-focused ok it's it's you know it's messaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5204">TS</a>]
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01:26:54 ◼ ► asker's and your Apple again seems they never put facetime on Android people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5214">TS</a>]
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01:27:02 ◼ ► great services and not been created cross-platform apps so wanting those two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► things together is a curious choice you know when you hear people complain about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► it at google has been really good about putting apps in iOS and his profound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► business reasons for why they do that but their apps have not been great on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► iOS do from the design where they insist on making them very android like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► know Roboto and with a lot of this and the hamburger buttons to the performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► of like hangouts has gotten better but hanging out with a dumpster fire for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► many for far too long so eight having the stripped-down apps could mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► they're actually decent apps on iOS and then you saw you solve that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5254">TS</a>]
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01:27:50 ◼ ► internet name it i think that was the channel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5270">TS</a>]
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01:28:02 ◼ ► just saying that they're letting the internet named it the teller or not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► big Gators nutella though it's a it's a trademark and there's no use cat became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5287">TS</a>]
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01:28:17 ◼ ► pay the Nutella peanut nutella people are just going to get you screw it let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5297">TS</a>]
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01:28:28 ◼ ► the one thing that was interesting to me the most interesting thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► he showed were these i forgot to call it but it's like instant app some yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► yeah and that that if you architect your android app the way that you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► this is a new a new thing but if you architect you you can divide your appt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► up into slices and you know more or less component-wise your app it can load just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► the component that it needs to do something and will more or less loaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5337">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► like a webpage so it'll just load right over the air and just need all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► sudden you're in the app but it hasn't downloaded the entire app it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► you know the piece that it needs to do a thing so maybe like if you're open table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► i forget what demos they use but if you're open table it could just show you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► the screen that you use to make a reservation and you pick a time and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► you're in you know you're in with the reservation and then if you want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► rest of the app you can say give me the rest of the app and it'll download the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► whole thing yet it it's really amazing to me because a lot of us have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► there where we want to wear out we're traveling maybe we're roaming we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► poor connection we want to do something but we just don't happen to have the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► installed and go to the App Store and it's you know you have one bar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► trying to download it you just watch anything try to turn it just wish you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► had that app installed you remember to do at the hotel on Wi-Fi and it's so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► is an absolute problem but to me the bigger picture that here is that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► been seeing for a while and you've been talking about for a long time how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5397">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► used to be websites and then just things started happening over HTTP and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► became web services new AP is and endpoints and maybe they would show up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► on the web but maybe they show up on apps or maybe they would surface and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► some other type of client and it really really change the fundamental meeting of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► what it meant to be a web service and now that's been happening with apps we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► saw with extensibility on iOS were previously you had to you know take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► photo go out to a photo app make an edit go to another photo of making ethical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► back to you maybe go to pinterest or to tumblr and share it and it was super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► inconvenient but you went to all these different destination at we're now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► thanks to extensibility you to pull out the features of a nap you don't ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► have I use P calc in shade now I'd never go to the pcap I is shared a social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► networks using the share sheet i never actually launch social network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► apps and has profound meaning to the brands of those apps because they no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► longer control those experiences and you know maybe it'll show up on my watch on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► my or overcast might be on my car plate dashboard and the logic and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► interface layers are totally decoupled and the binary has been separated out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5456">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► into all these features and now these features are being streamed you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► increasing rules world's being strained back almost like like web services and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► it makes you really question what a nap will be no nevermind five years from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► but two or three years from now and what that means for developers and services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5472">TS</a>]
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01:31:19 ◼ ► good idea or not like is it something Apple would do I don't know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► Apple is pretty because it doesn't even ask you if you want the app it just all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► of a sudden you're in it like in the same way that when you tap URL it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► takes you to the webpage this do tap URL and it if the you know it's sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► the way that you know like with like Twitter the twitter addict can say hey I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► own the twitter.com domain name so now let the user choose whether tapping that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► a tweet URL takes you to the webpage or opens the twitter app right to the tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► so that's what this is doing on Android except it's letting you run apps you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► haven't even installed yet I don't think Apple would allow that even not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► I just don't think Apple would do it because they don't want to there there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► so conservative about letting native software running on the device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5526">TS</a>]
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01:32:14 ◼ ► grabbing a bit of a of a webpage treating it a bit like an absolute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► performs better or maybe has advantages or access that a webpage wouldn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► and that's true apple III one of the every year there's a technology that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► fascinates me in WC and two years ago was extensibility and last year it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► all the on the app thinning stuff the app slicing and on-demand resources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► because we were starting to see that like you don't have to download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► everything every ipad version the interface just to get the iphone app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► you don't have to download the 32 bit if you're running a 64-bit device and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► don't have to download 10 levels of all you need is one and you start to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► about that like on Apple TV where if your kid is playing and you don't ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► want to see a dialog that says you're out of space please go to leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► something that's just terrible experience so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► handling all that stuff dynamically in the background and even multitasking now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► is just in time multitasking not the old concept of multitasking anymore and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► is becoming almost like a real-time world where you don't have to preload a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► bunch of apps you can have a bunch of features and i agree with you i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► think apple will do it in this way but I think extensibility and the way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/5592">TS</a>]
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01:44:09 ◼ ► I've heard this from so many people at Apple it's absolutely institutionalized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6249">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► in the company's thinking is that they just do they there don't do new just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:19 ◼ ► the sake of new the only reason they changed something is if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6259">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► convinced that it's better and that's why things like the macbook / powerbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:30 ◼ ► form factor has been so incredibly stable since the titanium powerbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6270">TS</a>]
01:44:34 ◼ ► which was like what like 2001 or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6274">TS</a>]
01:44:37 ◼ ► I mean it's you know it's very close to like the 911 porsche 911 of of Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6277">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► the what is a pro laptop look like I mean and you can pay if you took the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► titanium original you know which is the first one went in this direction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:54 ◼ ► compared it to today's macbook pro you're gonna be blown away by how thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6294">TS</a>]
01:44:59 ◼ ► and light that macbook pro is and how much how much better the unibody casing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6299">TS</a>]
01:45:05 ◼ ► is then the titanium one in particular where the seems really kind of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6305">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► with wear-and-tear started to fall apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► it's better in so many ways but year-over-year there was never like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:17 ◼ ► radical Wow they've totally changed the way the macbook air power book looks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6317">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► reimagine reporters going of another clamshell boring right exactly its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:26 ◼ ► people are two you know they're just this very childish that desire for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6326">TS</a>]
01:45:30 ◼ ► radical new form factors it because it's just not unless you can do better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6330">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► yeah there's so many features that are better that are actually where the event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:39 ◼ ► of our time and attention it reminds me a bit of the smart battery case to block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6339">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► all from last December where people reviewed it and they didn't ask any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:47 ◼ ► questions they just do things like oh this this is the capacity as listed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6347">TS</a>]
01:45:51 ◼ ► we found out the capacitance battery and based on the price that other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6351">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► charge for their batteries this is expensive or all we think it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6355">TS</a>]
01:45:59 ◼ ► because it has a hump I always always and nobody asked that I asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6359">TS</a>]
01:46:03 ◼ ► immediately because the design was really different is why did you do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6363">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► and they were happy to answer and i'm assuming that answer you know any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:09 ◼ ► d on those questions and it turns out that you know it it does things like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6369">TS</a>]
01:46:12 ◼ ► making you keep your phone think it's plugged into the wall so it doesn't turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6372">TS</a>]
01:46:16 ◼ ► on all the networking features that it does when it believes it has unlimited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6376">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► power and it carefully goes around the antenna so that they don't get blocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► the antennas are blocked everything fires up and have to use a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► power to make that connection which defeats the purpose of having a battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► case and they put the word smart in the name but so much of the coverage was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:34 ◼ ► incredibly superficial that you really embarrassed me as someone who works in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6394">TS</a>]
01:46:39 ◼ ► the industry and I just I worry that we're getting more and more that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6399">TS</a>]
01:46:42 ◼ ► I've seen people with those out and about 2 i've seen a fair you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6402">TS</a>]
01:46:46 ◼ ► because it's a fairly distinctive design and you can see if somebody's walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6406">TS</a>]
01:46:50 ◼ ► into using their phone on the sidewalk it's you know the back of the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6410">TS</a>]
01:46:53 ◼ ► that's actually what you see and so I've definitely seen enough of them is it i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6413">TS</a>]
01:46:57 ◼ ► on campus mean they really like them the pd and these are not people who will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6417">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► suffer for technology lightly I'm still so I'm so surprised that they're only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:05 ◼ ► yeah like I I kind of wondered at the origin you know like hey they're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6425">TS</a>]
01:47:09 ◼ ► close to the holidays you know I think it came out in November so I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6429">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► maybe that's why it's just black and white because they do you know wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:16 ◼ ► make just you know two very you know different you know to match the front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6436">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► face of your phone if you have a you know gold iPhone or a silver one you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:24 ◼ ► the white case if you want black and get black and that I I just kind of thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6444">TS</a>]
01:47:28 ◼ ► that like sort of like with the watch bands that they you know maybe in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6448">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► couple months that be more colors I'm sort of surprised that different filters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:35 ◼ ► black-and-white yeah I thought that too about the smart keyboards for the ipads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6455">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► that you know the charcoal is fine but I thought that it would be at least one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► yeah i thought so too its bills are apparently incredibly hard to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► hmm i did i widen storages yeah all right back to I oh yes sorry for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:55 ◼ ► tension be speaking of new phones that they didn't announce any new phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6475">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► there was no word of a nexus new Nexus phone and one of the reasons i'm curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► about that is that they announced all these other things that were coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► later this year in a good call home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:10 ◼ ► so even if the reason that they didn't do the new Nexus phone is that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6490">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► ready yet well that doesn't seem to have stopped them from announcing all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► you know why not just announced the phone that's coming in the fall so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► curious if whether they're giving up on the Nexus phone thing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► well there was that rumor they're gonna switch for making Nexus phones to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► anything project silver or something which is going to be different and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► there's all these rumors that you know google one day like there's rumors that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:33 ◼ ► Microsoft make a surface phone there's rumors that google will make a pixel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6513">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► phone because your nexus ones to now to to date have not been manufactured by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► google they're manufactured by HTC or samsung or I think was LG and the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► recent want to think is well away and that's a very different thing is you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► working with a partner and they're directing it a lot but you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:50 ◼ ► working at the Times schedule the original equipment manufacturer so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6530">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► whoever is making next Nexus doesn't have anything to show yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6534">TS</a>]
01:48:57 ◼ ► yeah I don't know it's interesting to me one of the other things that I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6537">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► was pretty interesting too is that the android instant apps feature which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:09 ◼ ► you know really you know very impressive demo but it's going when it ships it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6549">TS</a>]
01:49:14 ◼ ► going to should work back to android kitkat which is a what they are now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6554">TS</a>]
01:49:19 ◼ ► marshmallow l33 versions ago and it to me goes to show how what's most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6559">TS</a>]
01:49:30 ◼ ► important in android at least from Google's perspective and if you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6570">TS</a>]
01:49:33 ◼ ► google customer a google user is the the Android Play run what's called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6573">TS</a>]
01:49:41 ◼ ► Google Play google play the google play runtime because Google can keep that up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6581">TS</a>]
01:49:48 ◼ ► to date and ship a change like supporting these instant apps and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6588">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► have to go through the phone carriers that's just the thing that updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6593">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► through the google play app you know just like your apps so in the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6596">TS</a>]
01:50:00 ◼ ► that you get app updates on Android without going through the carrier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6600">TS</a>]
01:50:04 ◼ ► process the google play updates the same way and so a lot of the Hat you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6604">TS</a>]
01:50:14 ◼ ► sixty percent of all android users are using a two-year old version of Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6614">TS</a>]
01:50:20 ◼ ► sort of shading Freud that that that iOS users look upon you know Android as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6620">TS</a>]
01:50:26 ◼ ► being inferior in that way it's really sort of than not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6626">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► not that important because the parts that do get updated is a lot of the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:35 ◼ ► yeah I think that's a lot of true that I mean there there are situations where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6635">TS</a>]
01:50:39 ◼ ► things like stage fright happen where their inability to get carrier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6639">TS</a>]
01:50:42 ◼ ► manufacturers to push out updates in a timely fashion is is absolutely a user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6642">TS</a>]
01:50:46 ◼ ► facing issues because your phone is just no one really has exploited it but think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6646">TS</a>]
01:50:49 ◼ ► of those phones are open for exploit that's not a good thing whereas apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6649">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► can push out security updates to every phone going back to rite 2011 all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6652">TS</a>]
01:50:56 ◼ ► same day everyday everywhere super impressive but it to me the interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6656">TS</a>]
01:50:59 ◼ ► thing is that we sort of went from these models or Apple was very much a boutique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6659">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► everything was completely locked down very very curated and very limited and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:08 ◼ ► google was a bizarre like it was open air market you could sell it do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6668">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► you wanted analysis you slowly as Apple's beginning opener with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:15 ◼ ► technology is google has had to bring things into things like app review and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6675">TS</a>]
01:51:18 ◼ ► do things like takeaway services from and the android open source project and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6678">TS</a>]
01:51:22 ◼ ► put them where they make more attractive version of them available through google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6682">TS</a>]
01:51:26 ◼ ► service that google play services that they control so apples have to relax a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6686">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► little bit and Google's have to tighten up a little bit and we're getting sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:33 ◼ ► of a much better experience in the middle from both of them know there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6693">TS</a>]
01:51:38 ◼ ► theirs they announced android wear too . oh yeah that didn't nothing really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6698">TS</a>]
01:51:43 ◼ ► grabbed me in there and it's in and they added a keyboard which I ex I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6703">TS</a>]
01:51:51 ◼ ► whoever I'm stealing this from but somebody on Twitter last night quipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6711">TS</a>]
01:51:53 ◼ ► that they still have a hard time entering their pin code on an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6713">TS</a>]
01:51:59 ◼ ► watch you know with just a justice 0 then the hind keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6719">TS</a>]
01:52:03 ◼ ► I don't don't have a lot of faith in a full qwerty keyboard on it device the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6723">TS</a>]
01:52:08 ◼ ► size they say Google's pitches that it's it you know you'd you're supposed to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6728">TS</a>]
01:52:14 ◼ ► it with the slide typing and that their machine language will the machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6734">TS</a>]
01:52:18 ◼ ► learning will will you know be accurate but even during the demo they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6738">TS</a>]
01:52:23 ◼ ► yeah yeah yeah i mean like the the iphone is not as easy to type on is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6743">TS</a>]
01:52:28 ◼ ► mac but we use it for things that are brief and important that we don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6748">TS</a>]
01:52:32 ◼ ► to have to go back to our math for and the Apple watch significantly it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6752">TS</a>]
01:52:36 ◼ ► potentially harder to you interact with that an iphone but you're supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6756">TS</a>]
01:52:41 ◼ ► use it again for briefer and even more important things you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6761">TS</a>]
01:52:44 ◼ ► pull your iphone out for and it's just not clear to me and we're still really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6764">TS</a>]
01:52:47 ◼ ► early days when we haven't had a decade of phones and tablets that you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6767">TS</a>]
01:52:51 ◼ ► addictive watches like we had phones and tablets that what that interaction model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6771">TS</a>]
01:52:55 ◼ ► should be but android wear too . it doesn't look like it it moves the needle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6775">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► any directions masculine yeah and with this keyboard i like I'm not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6777">TS</a>]
01:53:01 ◼ ► you know it's a cardinal rule the account not going to say it's a bad idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6781">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► without having used it because who knows i could be surprised but I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:07 ◼ ► certainly wager that it's a terrible idea but you're not gonna be writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6787">TS</a>]
01:53:11 ◼ ► during fire lord's life I wouldn't write anything i'm convinced that one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6791">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► that's true is for wearables the only way to get text input is to dictate it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:21 ◼ ► the only good way I just cannot believe that a crack full qwerty keyboard on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6801">TS</a>]
01:53:26 ◼ ► watch even if watches you know a big watch its there's no way you'd like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6806">TS</a>]
01:53:32 ◼ ► holographic 20 * keyboard that makes the full-size that were floating above your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6812">TS</a>]
01:53:35 ◼ ► wrists that you can type on I i was trying to keep track i think every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6815">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► single person who came onstage at the event had a google and android wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:43 ◼ ► watch on you have to be watched while John is just part of the job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6823">TS</a>]
01:53:47 ◼ ► well i'm guessing that since Apple watches come out that there hasn't been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6827">TS</a>]
01:53:51 ◼ ► a speaker an apple event who's not wearing an Apple watch either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6831">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► I mean it's but it's to me it's sort of I don't know there's something about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6834">TS</a>]
01:53:58 ◼ ► that rubs me the wrong way about yeah well in on both companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6838">TS</a>]
01:54:02 ◼ ► yeah I think I don't know if we talked about on the show previously we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6842">TS</a>]
01:54:06 ◼ ► talking about you are you going to have to be Carlos oil because if you're able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6846">TS</a>]
01:54:09 ◼ ► to apple that love their Porsches and therefore Ari's and are they going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6849">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► have to leave those at home and drive like a little smart car around and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:16 ◼ ► happy baby with that you know you got to do it in public the way they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6856">TS</a>]
01:54:19 ◼ ► wearing their Omegas are panaracer Rolexes right now but they were in Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6859">TS</a>]
01:54:23 ◼ ► yeah I don't know well thats its did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6863">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► it's a damn good question i don't know turn that Ferrari around sir go back at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:35 ◼ ► your Apple car that you can park here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6875">TS</a>]
01:54:37 ◼ ► the last thing I have from my notes was they call it i don't know if it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6877">TS</a>]
01:54:42 ◼ ► whole thing but I think it's the daydream which is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6882">TS</a>]
01:54:46 ◼ ► yeah mobile vr on android phones and there's an API said that developers can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6886">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► start writing your own stuff and Google didn't announce any sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6892">TS</a>]
01:54:57 ◼ ► where they're actually going to sell but they've made a quote-unquote reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6897">TS</a>]
01:55:01 ◼ ► design for how to make a headset that you will put your phone in and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6901">TS</a>]
01:55:07 ◼ ► know make it your VR headset did cardboard previously which was a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6907">TS</a>]
01:55:13 ◼ ► low cost and their versions of that were sold in the apple store i think i forgot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:16 ◼ ► the name of that Club a very popular kid viewmaster or something was making your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6916">TS</a>]
01:55:20 ◼ ► version of that I all sorts of people did i know i have a relative who works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6920">TS</a>]
01:55:26 ◼ ► for kellogg and kellogg even they had you know the cereal company even had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6926">TS</a>]
01:55:32 ◼ ► like a kit that you could you know put together her to make your phone into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6932">TS</a>]
01:55:37 ◼ ► yeah I don't know what to I don't know what to make of this is the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6937">TS</a>]
01:55:43 ◼ ► it's like is the phone going to be the future of ER I don't know but you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6943">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► do feel like that it the whole industry is moving and if you know like big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6949">TS</a>]
01:55:54 ◼ ► trends across multiple companies is the voice driven assistance which we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6954">TS</a>]
01:55:58 ◼ ► talked about it at length before and vr / and or /a are augmented reality these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6958">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► things are obviously coming on the VRA our front apple has been publicly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6967">TS</a>]
01:56:11 ◼ ► absolutely absent I mean and there's no way that they're not working on stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6971">TS</a>]
01:56:16 ◼ ► let me know they have to be I mean it's almost a hundred percent certainty that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6976">TS</a>]
01:56:19 ◼ ► internally they must be working on something but as typical for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6979">TS</a>]
01:56:24 ◼ ► they're not going to talk about it until they have a product ready to announce i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6984">TS</a>]
01:56:28 ◼ ► don't know i just this idea of the phone as the thing it it kind of works because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6988">TS</a>]
01:56:35 ◼ ► you need a display and the goggles that's roughly about the size of a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6995">TS</a>]
01:56:39 ◼ ► and a phone isn't that heavy but is it the way to go is that the way to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/6999">TS</a>]
01:56:46 ◼ ► have it you know slide into a pair of you know I don't know I think if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7006">TS</a>]
01:56:53 ◼ ► want to evangelize the technology that's one of the problems with Google's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7013">TS</a>]
01:56:56 ◼ ► previously our attempts the google glass is that it was really expensive and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7016">TS</a>]
01:57:00 ◼ ► know you were out in public and it just it wasn't a good social situation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7020">TS</a>]
01:57:04 ◼ ► things like oculus and the HTC why all these big elaborate headsets you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7024">TS</a>]
01:57:10 ◼ ► and that's the the ito a really powerful pc to run them and that's just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7030">TS</a>]
01:57:15 ◼ ► available to mainstream this way and your samsung did it with the Samsung [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7035">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► Galaxy gear for just a second galaxy samsung gear and galaxy gear anyway you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:23 ◼ ► you put the phone on you put the goggles on and you're doing and that at least is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7043">TS</a>]
01:57:26 ◼ ► accessible to anybody who has a phone and a few dollars extra for the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7046">TS</a>]
01:57:30 ◼ ► that holds it on your head and I don't know if this if wearing something on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7050">TS</a>]
01:57:34 ◼ ► your head is the endpoint for VRA our work is going to become a pervasive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7054">TS</a>]
01:57:37 ◼ ► layer in our lives is projected on services and it you know around us but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7057">TS</a>]
01:57:42 ◼ ► if you if you do want to get people into looking at br br displays this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7062">TS</a>]
01:57:48 ◼ ► cheapest way to get into as many people as possible at least introduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7068">TS</a>]
01:57:53 ◼ ► I i guess so but is that do you think Apple would go down this route [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7073">TS</a>]
01:57:58 ◼ ► no but now i don't know that i can't see Apple doing something like this although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7078">TS</a>]
01:58:04 ◼ ► I will everybody's doing it so maybe i don't know i guess i wouldn't be shocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7084">TS</a>]
01:58:09 ◼ ► if they had apple a rvr could be the HUD display in their car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7089">TS</a>]
01:58:13 ◼ ► there's so many and there's so many ways of like we do you think about current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7093">TS</a>]
01:58:17 ◼ ► display technology it displaces doesn't matter anymore like i have an le Enola [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7097">TS</a>]
01:58:21 ◼ ► just play on my wrist and I have an LCD display in my hand that's the last thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7101">TS</a>]
01:58:25 ◼ ► I really think about they're just they're just ways of displaying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7105">TS</a>]
01:58:27 ◼ ► information and maybe Apple figure that out for this as well it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7107">TS</a>]
01:58:32 ◼ ► interesting contrast with oculus because oculus is sort of going the high end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7112">TS</a>]
01:58:37 ◼ ► route where to get to drive an oculus you've really candid but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7117">TS</a>]
01:58:41 ◼ ► understanding is you effectively need like the power of a gaming pc yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7121">TS</a>]
01:58:46 ◼ ► absolutely and you famously they complain that a mac won't drive it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7126">TS</a>]
01:58:49 ◼ ► not known standard back on the market will drive and I i pre-ordered the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7129">TS</a>]
01:58:52 ◼ ► oculus I haven't received it has been delayed and my friend George pre-ordered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7132">TS</a>]
01:58:55 ◼ ► the HTC vive and she hasn't got it yet because it's been delayed either but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7135">TS</a>]
01:58:58 ◼ ► both of those require significant computer investments like you're easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7138">TS</a>]
01:59:02 ◼ ► talking over a thousand dollars just get into the entry level of these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7142">TS</a>]
01:59:05 ◼ ► right it's really really like high-end gaming pc caliber graphics to drive it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7145">TS</a>]
01:59:09 ◼ ► but there are you know from what I've seen I mean again you really have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7149">TS</a>]
01:59:13 ◼ ► wear the goggles to really get the full effect but oculus is obviously producing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7153">TS</a>]
01:59:17 ◼ ► much better graphics than what google is showing with a dream i mean i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7157">TS</a>]
01:59:21 ◼ ► watching something to put on the five and looked almost like the first ironman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7161">TS</a>]
01:59:24 ◼ ► be where they're holding their heads up the big things were going in their hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7164">TS</a>]
01:59:27 ◼ ► and things going on their head and the cables are pink white and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7167">TS</a>]
01:59:31 ◼ ► playstation vr will be easier because people who have playstation wait you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7171">TS</a>]
01:59:35 ◼ ► mean like the ironman have one more Tony Stark made it made it in the cave creek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7175">TS</a>]
01:59:39 ◼ ► yeah baby maybe like that followed that yet but it doesn't mean they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7179">TS</a>]
01:59:44 ◼ ► they're not they're not easy products like you got to really commit your time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7184">TS</a>]
01:59:47 ◼ ► too and i was joking when Samsung first so i went to facebook for spot oculus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7187">TS</a>]
01:59:51 ◼ ► that facebook right now they're in a browser window and you can just close a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7191">TS</a>]
01:59:54 ◼ ► tab and you're gone and you're there an app that you can just switch apps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7194">TS</a>]
01:59:57 ◼ ► gone but when Facebook is on your head it takes a lot of commit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7197">TS</a>]
01:59:57 ◼ ► gone but when Facebook is on your head it takes a lot of commit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7197">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► to get out of that there's always that experience from then on anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:05 ◼ ► from google i/o that you I I think that more or less covers my notes yeah i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7205">TS</a>]
02:00:09 ◼ ► they had a ton of sessions the way wEDC does and i haven't had time to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7209">TS</a>]
02:00:12 ◼ ► through much of what I'm sure there's a bunch of very small and very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7212">TS</a>]
02:00:16 ◼ ► interesting things that we haven't seen yet but 8e it wasn't to me like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7216">TS</a>]
02:00:20 ◼ ► razzle-dazzle google i/o we started dropping off a plane saw in the early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7220">TS</a>]
02:00:24 ◼ ► days or or even if I figured it was Hugo para or someone else was just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7224">TS</a>]
02:00:27 ◼ ► slamming apple at every at every chance on stages to me was a very mature very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7227">TS</a>]
02:00:33 ◼ ► product-focused very set yet that's what pic and otra is the Kenosha that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7233">TS</a>]
02:00:38 ◼ ► yeah he was the he was the one famously doing it this is a very sendai pitar i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7238">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► think google i/o and I think it really benefit from that I like the new sundar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7242">TS</a>]
02:00:47 ◼ ► Pichai google as do i like it a lot more it's all that it seems like all the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7247">TS</a>]
02:00:54 ◼ ► the crazy town stuff is all bundled up and shipped to alphabet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7254">TS</a>]
02:00:59 ◼ ► yes what is google glass was the google glass introduction that might be peak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7259">TS</a>]
02:01:06 ◼ ► google I don't like the peak of what i don't like about google was entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7266">TS</a>]
02:01:12 ◼ ► encapsulated by that which was everything from the glass itself as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7272">TS</a>]
02:01:18 ◼ ► product idea which I was absurd it was terrible it's you know just stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7278">TS</a>]
02:01:24 ◼ ► it is absolutely a terrible product underpowered ugly on the worst part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7284">TS</a>]
02:01:31 ◼ ► your body for an ugly wearable technically deficient I mean I've dr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7291">TS</a>]
02:01:38 ◼ ► warren I've tried to pair it's actually not that you know it's a low resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7298">TS</a>]
02:01:44 ◼ ► it's not you know it the fact that people thought that was gonna be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7304">TS</a>]
02:01:47 ◼ ► product was just so goofy and says so much about the people who liked it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7307">TS</a>]
02:01:52 ◼ ► know it's that the whole what the same Robert the guy who did the shower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7312">TS</a>]
02:01:57 ◼ ► yeah Robert Scoble Robert Scoble school said he doesn't he doesn't foresee ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7317">TS</a>]
02:02:02 ◼ ► not wearing a google glass ever again in his life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7322">TS</a>]
02:02:05 ◼ ► yeah haha he's only nine site but combine that with the way that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7325">TS</a>]
02:02:12 ◼ ► with sergej jumping out of a plane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7332">TS</a>]
02:02:16 ◼ ► yes sir j do it like Serge's jumping out of a plane and landing on the roof of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7336">TS</a>]
02:02:20 ◼ ► moscone everything about that Justin capitalizes what I found ridiculous and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7340">TS</a>]
02:02:25 ◼ ► absurd and hurt my eyes by rolling my eyes so so hard about Google and all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7345">TS</a>]
02:02:31 ◼ ► that seems gone and no they didn't ship any of this stuff yet you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7351">TS</a>]
02:02:34 ◼ ► everything that they announced is is coming later this year but i have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7354">TS</a>]
02:02:38 ◼ ► doubt they're going to ship it and it all seems to me like stuff that might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7358">TS</a>]
02:02:41 ◼ ► pretty popular i think they're you know this google home seems like something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7361">TS</a>]
02:02:44 ◼ ► that depending on the price and I don't think they announced the price you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7364">TS</a>]
02:02:49 ◼ ► no i don't iike least not that I saw i am going to assume it is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7369">TS</a>]
02:02:54 ◼ ► roughly google echo priced in our amazon echo priced so let's say a hundred fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7374">TS</a>]
02:03:01 ◼ ► to two hundred dollars something like that into and or lower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7381">TS</a>]
02:03:04 ◼ ► I think they're gonna sell a million of them i can see a low and duo taking off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7384">TS</a>]
02:03:10 ◼ ► and being successful and I think android and seems like a nice update to injury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7390">TS</a>]
02:03:16 ◼ ► absolutely and almost everything except for android and me they clearly said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7396">TS</a>]
02:03:19 ◼ ► it's coming to ios and android which means like to me they've gotten their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7399">TS</a>]
02:03:22 ◼ ► act like they sort of understand now that there are services company and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7402">TS</a>]
02:03:25 ◼ ► their end goal is like the star trek computer to be the machine learning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7405">TS</a>]
02:03:29 ◼ ► be the AI they need to you need to reach as many people as possible we need that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7409">TS</a>]
02:03:32 ◼ ► scale and as much as Android was interesting way for them to head and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7412">TS</a>]
02:03:35 ◼ ► make sure they always had access to at least some some form of defiance in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7415">TS</a>]
02:03:39 ◼ ► people's hands they are really being ubiquitous now with this technology and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7419">TS</a>]
02:03:43 ◼ ► this to me is a cleaner more focus google yeah did you see the thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7423">TS</a>]
02:03:46 ◼ ► it there they added split-screen to android I senior I didn't see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7426">TS</a>]
02:03:51 ◼ ► version I've seen various versions before and including on the phone which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7431">TS</a>]
02:03:55 ◼ ► is in are getting so I forget what i did see that yeah I forget if it's a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7435">TS</a>]
02:04:01 ◼ ► tap or a DoubleTap but you did that the standard three buttons now on android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7441">TS</a>]
02:04:06 ◼ ► are back button on the left home button in the middle and the multitasking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7446">TS</a>]
02:04:13 ◼ ► button on the right so if you tap the multitasking button it puts your seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7453">TS</a>]
02:04:19 ◼ ► most recent apps and you know it's a lot like iOS we see that you just choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7459">TS</a>]
02:04:23 ◼ ► between these that turns your apps into windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7463">TS</a>]
02:04:25 ◼ ► you can scroll between them and switch if you'd long tap on it now it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7465">TS</a>]
02:04:30 ◼ ► Android n it split goes to split screen multi-screen and even on the phone so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7470">TS</a>]
02:04:37 ◼ ► turns your phone into like if you're holding it in a typical portrait you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7477">TS</a>]
02:04:43 ◼ ► like a square on top and a square on the bottom so you kind of get like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7483">TS</a>]
02:04:47 ◼ ► little like almost like blackberry sized screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7487">TS</a>]
02:04:50 ◼ ► yeah and they also have picture in picture which obviously is good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7490">TS</a>]
02:04:55 ◼ ► video and that's obviously it that's all you know just to be clear that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7495">TS</a>]
02:04:59 ◼ ► obviously a catch-up feature to iOS but on iOS it's only an ipad feature you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7499">TS</a>]
02:05:04 ◼ ► so it's sort of a jump ahead there i wonder whether Apple is thinking about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7504">TS</a>]
02:05:10 ◼ ► picture-in-picture for iphone will on Android it sits at least to me it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7510">TS</a>]
02:05:14 ◼ ► such a like some android phones are six inches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7514">TS</a>]
02:05:17 ◼ ► you know it and bigger social for them has always been a continuing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7517">TS</a>]
02:05:19 ◼ ► line between tablet and phone has been busy so you really have to you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7519">TS</a>]
02:05:22 ◼ ► those things across a range of their devices i have to say and it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7522">TS</a>]
02:05:27 ◼ ► those things where I don't not pushing for Apple to add a permanent button on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7527">TS</a>]
02:05:31 ◼ ► the system like android has for multitasking but i have to say that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7531">TS</a>]
02:05:36 ◼ ► the idea of split-screen it's a better i think it's a better interface because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7536">TS</a>]
02:05:39 ◼ ► one of the things too is because they're soft buttons it changes the icon of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzpga-4/7539">TS</a>]
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