00:00:00 ◼ ► do it with your prince fan i can't say that i was i I've obviously you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► someone who grew up in the eighties it was impossible to miss him and I watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► tons of MTV and so all of the songs from the eighties are totally ingrained in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► head because I put this watch them just all the time because I would you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/13">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► watch them to be all the time I like them a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/17">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► I cannot say i was particularly a fan I came around to it later because like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/20">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► I was more of a I was putting in a pot category bit more we should think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/24">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► fair to say that kind of probably like more rapidly can again but I mean after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/30">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► I got out of that phase of like you know when you still like that when your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/36">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► teenager he tend to delete and hit things until it good and bad lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/41">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► but yea once i got into sort of appreciating what man he's immensely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/44">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► talented and he said so much cultural impacts in terms of other music another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/50">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► just the band's that's just the way to behave it's like he's amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/54">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► yeah I tweeted something last night which day was a tribute was from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/59">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► when George Harrison died and his son had like a tribute and there and print [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/62">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► plate and and didn't even sing I was like Tom Petty and forget who the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/68">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► somebody else he had no chance and asante yeah man and petty did most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/72">TS</a>]
00:01:18 ◼ ► the lyrics but then prints came up with this guitar solo at the end and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/78">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► just it's just like jaw-droppingly good you had always heard i know i'm not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/84">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► know in some people on Twitter all the most people just retweeted because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/89">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► an amazing performance and it's just I mean it's just it's a great song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/92">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► well played and it's just amazing any and then it's even better because at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/95">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► end eid Prince knows he nailed it and he just nonchalantly tosses his guitar up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/99">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► in the air and it never comes down wearable what the hell happened to his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/104">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► guitar and just being on a wire the whole time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/108">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► daddy just Saunders off states like it's like sections for this interesting i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/110">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► seen performing he is incredible i realize it's a guitar not a microphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/114">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► but effectively is the greatest mic drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/118">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► I've ever so I mean in addition to being a great song in the great performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/121">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► yeah it is literally the best mic drop I've ever seen because it doesn't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/124">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► yeah and he walks out like Jimi Hendrix style oh but you're not accustomed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/129">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► hearing necessarily and songs but he can't do it you don't mind me saying I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/133">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► just in my back pocket i could be the next romantics but yeah it's justin yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/138">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► I play a lot of functions and and then never had a couple people on Twitter who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/142">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► are like that's how can you you know to me how can you not know the princes want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/145">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► to like the top 20 guitarists of all time maybe like top 10 and I didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/149">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► I knew he was great i know i knew we could play a bunch of instruments I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/154">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► he was very talented musician and including the guitar I knew that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/157">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► people told me but I didn't know it in the way you really know it when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/160">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► yeah and I realized then that all of those guitar solos on all of princes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/165">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► songs that are so amazing for him and I didn't know that before I get a new the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/168">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► ball after the half of the other instruments that are being right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/172">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► also have right now that he's just doing it all and it in a way that's just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/175">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► know almost impossible to comprehend i think one thing did I could probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/181">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► convince you to appreciate it but a lot is that everyone had to change his name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/185">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► he had somebody and yeah so the record label basically had him by the balls for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/190">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► producing albums under the name Prince again like his deal so they exclude and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/196">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► he's like I'm gonna change my name to dis older I remember when he changed his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/205">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► name to the character I didn't realize that it was it was a way out of his my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/209">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► god it was 100% whey out of its like screw you like you're not owning my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/212">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► Master's like my music I'm taking it and you're not only my name is i'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/217">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► change my name to something ridiculous and he never bothered explaining to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/221">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► it's not like you went on other shows and just told people that look I'm doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/225">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► that I'm going to keep focusing on my work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/229">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► same reason why doesn't want all the youtube stuff is he wants to basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/232">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► be able to own all the distribution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/235">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► yeah yeah yeahs service what he thinks artist deserve to be paid and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/237">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► absolutely have been aware of his stance on that last night I mean like everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/240">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► half the people in the Western world last night you know i mean i started let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/245">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► you know when to listen to perseverance to and not on Apple music I knew that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/251">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► you know first thing i tried in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/255">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► I instantly thought while I I guess I knew that actually you know because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/258">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► not into it so we just started buying a bunch of stuff from itunes it was a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/262">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► good you know I i post the link today on during farber and if you saw it but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/267">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► just just like a random screenshot from a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/271">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► the Prince made 1990 called graffiti bridge where he played like him you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/277">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► like a sort of thinly veiled version of himself like a young songwriter and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/281">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► 1990 the character he was you know composing a song on like a little mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/286">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► and smack it and and of course it was no end and it was totally legit wasn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/291">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► a phony phony phony fake you I was like a real app from the day of you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/295">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► it like maybe tracking yet maybe try to connect trackers and ya still like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/302">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► actual screen shot in the in the movie is actually like an actual song that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/305">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► wrote it was like so you got like a little look at at his Prince's own like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/311">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► you know working said I workflow and right track stuff with a mac like warhol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/316">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► sketching on mac paint right little nine inch screen tiny god what would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/326">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► been if it was an SE I think that was like that the guy who wrote the blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/333">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► post is trying to figure out he nailed it down it was either an SEO and sem 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/336">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► yeah the su-30 didn't come out until like late in the year before the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/340">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► was made us so there's I think there's a much better chance that it was just an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/344">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► SE so that would have been just 68 68,000 chip I think I don't know that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/347">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► they had a 6820 but it wasn't until the SES 60 80 30 that the mac really got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/354">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► fast that was a pretty slow machine you don't know you got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/361">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► it says a lot about is forward-looking oh absolutely absolutely notice that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/365">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► he's like look I'm gonna try this crazy thing that probably sounded tinny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/371">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► kind of crappy to and compared to all the other options he had but he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/375">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► fascinated enough to like well and I think I was cool when I would learn how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/378">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► to do it yeah I'm sure the final output you know maybe didn't come right off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/382">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► mac you know a lot of ways because you know I played a lot of actual analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/385">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► instruments but maybe to get that the composition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/388">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► right yeah it's that that power of digital editing and the way that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/391">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► you can move stuff i mean we take it for granted to there and kick you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/397">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► people who've grown up and an all-digital world head you know you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/402">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► I could see why they take it for granted big but you know when you learn to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/407">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► writer or you know like it like I did where we didn't have word processors are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/412">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► computers at our disposal all the time and I used to actually I'm high school I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/417">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► used an actual use a typewriter to write stuff and he's like when you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/422">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► like when you're halfway through a thing and you really want to move a paragraph [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/425">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► or even just take out a set if you realize you've just duplicated it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► same sentence twice something that you wrote like the page before and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/435">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► you either have to reach retype the whole page or just or just live with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/440">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► you know you start making decisions based on convenience rather than what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/444">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► craft right i mean you really was if you wanted to get it do anywhere near a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/450">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► halfway decent job it was almost impossible not to type the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/455">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► twice because there's how could you not make some sort of editing decision you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/458">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► know where you go through and then retype it and you would literally have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/464">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► to retype that the thing I mean I'm sure music you know it was the same way in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/467">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► lot of ways in that digital editing the same way that it's revolutionized you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/470">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► know word processing same way from music I'm sure yeah so is definitely changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/475">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► the tempo like there is a bit there's almost there dimension to music that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/481">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► doesn't necessarily happen in in writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/487">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► yeah totally yeah I don't know that what I remember from those days the early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/490">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► days of mac around that time is yes yes then we did we were constantly running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/495">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► up against every single one of the limits of the machines did I mean just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/500">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► stacks full of floppy disks all stuffed to within a few bites of being full a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/505">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► hard drive that was completely full if you go back even just a few more years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/511">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► didn't even have a hard drive everything you got the floppy drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/515">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► severely ram constrained I mean that most of those devices a lot of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/518">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► early max only had and a gigabyte or two gigabytes my mac LLC in 1991 it for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/523">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► whopping four get are not gigabytes Megan thank you for making it is it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/531">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► four megabytes of RAM ah so you're ram constrained storage constrained the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/535">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► storage was incredibly slow the hard drives slow the floppies were so slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/541">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► you could hear them making the reads and writes yeah I guess you could hear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/545">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► hard drives do but yeah the floor you find it comforting did yeah definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/550">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► could you knew someone was working it was it was comforting away didn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/554">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► about it until it went away your and then you realize that if you think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/559">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► something might be going wrong you don't have that comfort like at least back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/566">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► then it's like if you thought something was going wrong like like a crash like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/570">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► maybe our that missed you know the system is locking up but you could still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/573">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► hear the thing you were hoping was being saved being written to you had hoped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/577">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► that ok at least it's still writing to the disk or if it locked up and all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/582">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► could hear it like it were and then clicking noise right there were certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/586">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► oh it's you could definitely you did a big part of the diagnosis of any problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/589">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► back then was one of a kind of Smith what kind of noise mechanical robot is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/594">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► fine apart right is ever certain if it was perfectly repetitious then that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/599">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► yes that's like the same thing is going ok yes you could hear sometimes you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/607">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► hear it when a program it wedged itself into an infinite loop and huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/611">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► and that was bad but like there's a certain randomness to the sounds of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/615">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► a file being written that it wasn't quite repetitious that that was soothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/620">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► you seeking to the different sectors so here there there was it was more of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/625">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► analog relationship it was fundamentally a digital machine but there was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/629">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► that the actual spinning disk and and the physicality of the ones and zeros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/634">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► being written to the disc gave it its certain a genuinely analog dimension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/641">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► that that came across in your relationship with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/646">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► I feel like that's probably it I don't drive so correct me but like a manual vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/648">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► automatic yeah i think just like you're looking very aware of the Machine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/654">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► one case in the other case you kind of device from a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/658">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► well and I think there's also a if you compared to driving and I'm not really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/661">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► car guy but i do drive but i think there's also a almost undisputedly a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/666">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► comparison to as as decades go on card our cars are more and more abstract in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/673">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► terms of just how much isolation areas from the noise outside the shock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/681">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► absorption and older cars you really feel the road and you feel it's it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/686">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► just so much less removed I mean it's almost shocking sometimes when you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/692">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► at a car from the sixties or seventies let them further like how thin the doors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/695">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► everything was a lot more thinner and you just felt the road more and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/702">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► more pleasing I think overall I mean obviously consumer money talks that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/706">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► more pleasing to have it abstracted but in a way as the driver you're you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/710">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► removed from the the the just the feel of the road yeah did you show me a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/714">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► do that Adam beneficiated with you it's like an old 1950's Buick crashing until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/723">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► I don't know what like a modern smoker or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/727">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► now I don't think so and the Buick just gets destroy their word it was like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/730">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► little guy just it's so much better engineer now it's it's absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/737">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► amazing the differences that they've made in the ability that's to survive a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/741">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► crash together they call it the passing to keep that to maintain the integrity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/748">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► of the passenger cabin and and sacrifice the entire rest of the car it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/751">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► just unbelievable words in the old days the coal car would just collapse like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/755">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► yes kinda second if it really engine block Chevrolet going into your chest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/759">TS</a>]
00:12:44 ◼ ► it's sickening to because you think like those old-time cars the old cars were so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/764">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► heavy that they would be safer but they just weren't because the structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/768">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► didn't you know the structural integrity just wasn't there but it really is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/771">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► it's just stepping on an empty aluminum can it's just the whole thing just yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/775">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► often it huh no designed for different goals ok the ATP guys are like shaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/780">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► oh i don't think so i think Syracuse is probably happy about the whole time Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/787">TS</a>]
00:13:10 ◼ ► talk and me they had a good segment recently where they were talking I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/790">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► it because it was sort of one of the recent episodes was the day it's for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/794">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► apples 40th anniversary let ya look back at our first max and and I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/798">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► listen to get Marky know it's awful i honestly I consider myself a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/803">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► johnny-come-lately you are given temperature and wraps guy right yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/809">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► I you know anything after that Mikey come on kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/815">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► exactly and no that was one of those times where syracuse it was really i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/820">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► dunno it just felt like he was creepily picking the thoughts out of my brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/824">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► because it was he was i he actually started using a magnet few years before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/830">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► me even though he's a few years younger than me just because my school my high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/834">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► school only had one mac and when I the longer i went i had like it was almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/838">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► like that classes for just like two or three of us and in programming as like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/843">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► my last two years of high school there weren't it was only like two or three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/849">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► other kids in the class and i wanted i wanted a color display so I used that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/851">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► thank you to meet their trusty well there's only one mac and end it was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/860">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► know and I didn't want to you know i guess i could have argued for equal time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/864">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► on it was a member of the classroom named Elliot but I was like we're trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/867">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► to decide which one of us would maybe use the mac and who you know and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/874">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► there were a bunch of two TS in a lab that the you know we could choose from I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/877">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► guess if neither of us wanted to use the mac we could both use the two gs but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/881">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► he's you know he seemed more interested in the maghuin i was i was fined let him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/885">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► have it and I played with it a little and i remember playing with especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/888">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► with mac right and mac paint macpaint in particular and mac draw but even back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/892">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► then with mac draw even in 1989-90 i was instantly baffled by bezier curves but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/900">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► if L yeah i loved and understood what it meant i understood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/907">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► it was a vector graphic could offer and I was fascinated but damned if I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/911">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► it navigate the interface but Mac Manuel control points here like to do so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/917">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► learned the mat and I say that knowing the math and yeah do it but it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/924">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► like good it's unintuitive yeah it's very unintuitive and and everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/927">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► learned about the mac was just completely into it remember to do i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/932">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► didn't i didn't like the mac is for weight so i started an apple to plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/936">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► love the Apple 2 GS then got into pcs and for whatever reason because i was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/941">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► stubborn kid I was like I didn't like the mac floppy disk i just it was right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/951">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► because it had that latch you don't like three-and-a-half inch blog is good just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/958">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► found it an elegant and i found that you liked the five and a quarter ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/962">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► because you can flip them over and use a whole bunch and then you can get a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/966">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► second side you could do that with the with the plastic ones too but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/969">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► obviously harder and harder to make the whole yeah yeah it was just so it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/972">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► done but it was like a five year phase of my life with enemy and I was getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/978">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► into like hardcore until assembly programming and stuff at the time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/982">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► then i did a drafting class in high school because they like drawing turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/988">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► out not the same thing but one of the things we have to do is work on a mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/994">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► and mac draw to change my mind and very soon after day I mean this offer was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/998">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► $MONEY billion get tired loved it was such a new different experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► it's so funny to I know and I Casey even mention it because cases to way too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► young but he was baffled by the fact that the three-and-a-half inch ones for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► still called floppies even though there was nothing sloppy about them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► they were in my shell it is it's just one of those stupid names because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► what they did a long story short the there used to be Aiden's floppies really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► clear back but an angry dates my time but then like in the Apple to hear and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► what most of us in the eighties new with the five maybe as I bet your parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► strange floppies that your ya want me possibly even five and a quarter inches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► tall because i don't have a computer in the house so who really yeah I've told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► this story but only have okay and my parents refused to buy can make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► better this is why you made that is why your career and technology went nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:40 ◼ ► all a lot of my friends were getting computers my friend Joey had an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1060">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► apple 2e which I could deeply coveted because I I from the early days on could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► I perceived that Apple's computers were superior build quality and were made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► with that and I to design that the others weren't but i would have taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1075">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► any of them ever taken a Commodore Everett today I would have taken any or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► all of them you know but my friends are getting computers they were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► relatively expensive the apple in particular that's some things that don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► change but even like a common good commodore 64 was was he won't cheat they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► weren't cheap and a lot of my friends had to push because their parents like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► that's a lot of money and you're not you know in my end and you're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► use it enough you know you're just gonna play games where we have an Atari four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► my parents wouldn't buy him a computer because they said if we bought you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► computer were worried that you're never gonna leave the house but yeah like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► I don't know if it was the right parental decision or not I can't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► say I even in hindsight I i can't quite say I agree with them but maybe because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► you know I didn't have it had a pretty good social life in high school but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► don't maybe I wouldn't i had a computer at home and he's probably right decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► because I got so well because whatever kind of similar and not entirely bit i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► got it the first Apple too i got was take the second summer after I moved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► from England here so I didn't really know a lot of people in in canada and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► basically spent the entire summer inside programming right and that became like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► part of my I don't know how to describe it like it like recharging like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► when you need some alone time to go and do something just for yourself like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► that lasted all during high school which is when actually became good night you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► I want to put my trade is now but yeah there's a lot of time I just did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► cops like you when I really should've like in a beautiful summer I'd be like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► maybe i'll just try fixing this little bug in the summer between 10th and 11th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► grade my high school shut down there the the building was had needed a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► repairs especially the roof and the school district had another building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► there was a middle school in it and in the decades prior that the population of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► the school district decrease such that they close the middle school put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► fifth and sixth graders in the elementary school and it went from three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► schools elementary middle and high school to just two buildings in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► elementary school for 126 and high school for seven to 12 and in between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► 10th and 11th grade they shut down the high school and move the high school to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► the middle school because it was a newer it was considered it was cheaper did fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► them in the middle school which had been dormant for like 45 years and shutdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► high school so the computer teacher I didn't trust the movers with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► computers and let students take the computers home for the summer so I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► to take an apple to GS home for the summer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► oh man yeah it was awesome and I had a job i actually that school hired a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► of kids to help move the school so I like working is like a mover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► there's a couple good that's pretty smart was that like a legit job like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► oh yeah minimum wage absolutely whatever i don't use whatever I think minimal I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► could have been just playing fast and loose yeah i think it was either 375 an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► hour or 425 an hour for dollars twenty-five minutes and that with me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► back-breaking work i mean i remember moving the library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► oh my god it's like because what is heavier than a box full of books there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► very little is heavier than a box of books and it just thousands of books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► tens of thousands of books is often and we can ride it was like a two-mile ride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► and they just we just had like this big flatbed open-air truck and we would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► loaded up with stuff and then find spots to sit if we don't know I open-air no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► seatbelt on just a bunch of kids on the truck man look at how old schools that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► back it's tiresome movement which kids and just throw them in the back of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► truck late and books they were they also did hire some adults like day laborer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► I mean this is something that people who just do moving there's disease are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► highly skilled work this is at the bottom of the the skill Jane in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► the the laboring world and i remember the one day we're still moving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► library we had the card catalog and and so it was you know obvious is predates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► computerization of the card catalog was just this you remember what they look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► like they just are like oh yeah total anytime there's like a hole punches on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► the bottom like a little cards that you pull it yet yeah and you pull it out it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► was just filled with index cards and the one guy this guy wasn't a kid wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► always like what the hell is this and we were like trying to explain to him that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► is these are like an index of every single book in the library and he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1374">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► takes a few out while we're on the road going like 35 miles an hour just throws [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► coming over yeah I just I i mean i was ended I was an asshole as a teenager I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► really wasn't it did a lot of shit that I in hindsight i really feel like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► needed i need to be doing anything good yeah yeah I but I was just a pot I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► appalled because i saw that is like we revert it as data loss like some of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► yeah i did like vandalism or stuff like that I I i wrote off just because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► seemed ultimately harmless whereas I feel like put a pretty graffiti on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► political science right right but I mean messing with books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► oh that was never burn a book and riots the right that way on a lake like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► with the same summer so the same summer when we're moving with the old the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:47 ◼ ► high school had a central courtyard so that classes on the inside . sunlight to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1427">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► write so then in other words it's sort of an o-shaped building that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► donut three floors central courtyard and one of the classrooms on the third floor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► had like a janky old big-ass color TV and wasn't knew at the time and we dared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:10 ◼ ► each other to throw it out the window into the court you took to see see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1450">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► kind of noise it would make and ultimately me and another guy like took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► it like we neither of us would do it by ourselves but we read it was heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► enough that I don't know if I could have it was really heavy but me and another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► guy i don't want to know I don't want to name them just in case I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► put his name on the right i can afford it and another kid opened up the window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► and we toss this big-ass color TV out the window and it made the greatest know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► is all my god it was it was worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► so I did that and I didn't feel the least bit guilty about it and then there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► was discovered there was a discussion there was a beating later about the TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► and it did everybody go everybody knows anybody know about the TV in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1494">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► courtyard and nobody nobody could remember anything about that square but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► that awesome the cards out of the card catalog go to me that was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► beyond the pale because it's like sacrilegious yeah exactly yeah its side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► but we got the way you put it is just data life and have you seen that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► i'm one of the BOS CDs that they shipped the OS on like one of the demo movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► was them tossing monitors offered top of their office block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► no i don't so like it was exactly what you described they just dragged a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► of old monitors up and they just did a mock which maybe explains why they went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► it was pretty funny as let's see about that eel and he'll probably has a link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► of something all right I'm gonna see if I can google it after the show he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► passing monitors off the roof yeah you'll be being a letterman attic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► probably didn't help either because tossing a TV off off hide high floor of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► a building is a very Letterman like thing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► yes the different the difference is that if the Letterman Show toss the TV off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► be yes yeah I controlled environment there's no and I did not buy hit by that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► TV i do not buy the TV i threw out the window but I had a job I had it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► full-time job we worked you know eight hours a day I played tons and tons of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► basketball all summer long and filling in the gaps whatever wasn't working and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► then every other waking moment was spent on the computer and I thought that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► know the fact that i held a job and still played recreational basketball all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► the time i went to movies with friends on weekends and stuff like that seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► to me like i was able to have a computer but my parents were like see this is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► we can't buy you a computer even though i was doing other stuff they somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► seem to think that I was but now you turned out okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1613">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► well thank you for the sake of this argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► yeah yeah whatever look at the difference that i would say this and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► think that it was the fact that i just didn't I guess I got to play with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► one mac in the lab enough that I i saw what it was all about and I saw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► appeal and I really saw the cleverness of having a system that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► fundamentally a graphical user interface em but the idea of getting obsessed with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► user interface design just hadn't occurred to me yet and and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► profound miss of the cleverness of the max UI system just it hadn't I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► use I needed to use it more to to appreciate it i don't think it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► occurred to anybody it I with the exception of the people that worked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► Lisa in the mac it seems that's one difference with Syracuse to me it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► like you listening to his early history of computing the heat got he got that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► aspect of the mac with almost maybe instantly but certainly with less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► exposure to it than i did I needed to own one which is which I did when I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► to college to have that mac like I said the aforementioned 44 megabyte of ram 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► megabyte hard drive Mack LC and then really really appreciate it so no it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► so I like to make like I said it in the jacket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► so I was like okay I get it this is something totally different but I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► really appreciate one until they bought one after then immediately after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► next acquisition and then I was stuck with OS 8 for a year and I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► immediately like man I'm stuck with operating system it's like not good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► then I learnt all the great things about it and so yeah like I do consider myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► a johnny-come-lately but what I mean by nobody had appreciated it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► I don't think the people at xerox parc weren't necessarily thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► design the same way that Apple was when they went to actually try to implement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► my first release and then the mac yeah yeah it's hard to say without using this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► I've never gotten the chance to use the Xerox star but I've read enough about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► and there's work the drugs didn't seen it and kind of looked at it and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► because i used to be a little bit more obsessed with the whole that stupid this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► the angle that Apple dapple really didn't even doing with the mac they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► ripped off the rocks which legally isn't true because they actually got xerox in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► exchange for a good vantage office it was totally on the up-and-up legally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► they said how about we give you a little bit of a stock in the apple core apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► computer and then let us know just think that's a fast I'll argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► yeah in general well it's wrong and who cares like now but it's at the time it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► was it at the time when there were was more more arguments between you know pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► sure at the time it was a point but I mean it's only it it's only a point if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► you're trying to make an appeal to Authority argument right and i never got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► too bogged down in I mean somebody might be able to dig up some old usenet posted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► this pic pic but i seem to recall that I always have another a anti old-school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► macclesfield well I find I found it tiresome because it it it was I was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► hundred percent certain that i was on the right side and it seemed to me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► the people on the other side didn't really have anything to contribute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► anyway so if they're want to be wrong they can be wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► like it wasn't worth trying to convince them there was what was what would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► the point if you know if you can't see how superior this is then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► forget about it I mean circulation it's incredible how you going and edited to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► what's that kind of my dog i thought one of the things that I thought was I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► to me do you remember do to you when you I don't know if you were too late i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► resident was still a thing in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► oh yeah yeah resident to me was is maybe the my favorite mac program of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► let's just say I I while being foreign to me and love the idea of a resource [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► for i love the idea stuffing extra information in there but on the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► side they try to do something similar like the exe format is a flat format but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► you can have resources appended to it right but it's not the same thing as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► having an actual resource for which is good and bad a good in it it's just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► flat binary stream bad in that you don't have the and then you want to express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► expressiveness like it I can visit it look at multi resource file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► well and it did it it the whole idea predated the era of universal the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1914">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► internet the internet that really solve the problem of every computer eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► because i think the internet i think the internet turned everything into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► lowest common denominator did that was my binary stream writing right now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► it's it's not o'clock and a lot of ways there that's not some ways negative you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► know exactly it's not to say that it meant the best thing one it just meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► though that there was there might be a good reason to go with the lowest common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► denominator solution of everything is just a single for file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► yeah I'm coming from 1-2 at the time which and even NT which both had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► look at that time all of the file systems had followed with the maggot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► done which was like okay this data in one segment and then there's a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► other segments that have you know either metadata or you know what you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► called resource works the contract extended attributes which is essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► those what really it's not even the technical details of whether it was a 24 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► volt I fork file system or if they had done something more of a hack like let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► say it's or you know like a lot like what we have on us ten network where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► your app is really just a folder that the lender treats as a file and total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► resources you know just imagine if the original mac had gone with the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► thing words a special magic kind of folder and in the folder are all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► resources and every one of the resources itself actually just a flat file it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► the conceptual design of having this one app that you could edit all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► with all these different resources so that even in the nerd mode of of either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► being a developer or just being an enthusiast who wants to customize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► icon for a file or a nap or folder or any of the other many many things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► could edit and manipulate and resident the fact that even when you did those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► things you were still within same the same GUI universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► mhm and you didn't have to resort to a command line or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► ya know in some ways it's kind of like the small talk like living environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:10 ◼ ► yes I do i do think so i think you're in a strange way even though the mac the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2050">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► original mac i don't think you would say the technical way not all that important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► to be different but the concept is a little bit the same right like yes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► you stay you stay completely committed to this to this limitation that yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► imposing and and beauty will come out of it yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► yeah i think so and you know it's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► next used to do that with like apps it shipped even on OS 10 up until oh I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► gonna make up a number 10 223 most of the apps would ship with nibs which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► would next interface builder files which you could open up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► interface builder which has since been merged into Xcode and then edit the UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2094">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► of the app that you like if you didn't like the arrangement of dialog boxes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► can change it just like and visit it right these days they've moved away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► yeah they all get compiled down into stuff that you can hit afterwards from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► software reliability . if you think that's probably a good idea but i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► the old west style of you know stuff it is is common between both platforms the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► the classic mac OS was i'm not saying that it should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► in hindsight that it should have gone through through to today that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:47 ◼ ► there's certainly some advantages to the Mac os10 philosophy you know of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2147">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► design of the system where things started getting locked down and some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► the technical aspects of it were not is conceptually beautiful but more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► I that's when I first dead can became true familiar with your accuser is our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► to argue the at the back then it was made invest and i would argue the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► looking pragmatism and he would argue did well it just sucks in terms of let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► say window sizing right like well look it's all done on the GPU and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► doing much stuff and it's gonna get better and that yeah but it sucks and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► he's right i think i'm also right but if it you know there was a beauty to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► original mac OS know that hasn't matched since and I don't think I totally like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► and- and I completely agree with toxic you said that iOS is closer much closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► yep then Mac OS tenders to the original and yeah i think now we're getting into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► well more convoluted territory where I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► well the big difference the big difference and this never would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► the original mac wouldn't have it just don't get ever would have occurred to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► anybody even steve jobs to lock the system down and not even allow you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► you know they're did like the residents a perfect comparison there's never gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► be a resident for iOS that lets you diddle with the icons for apps or how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► the resources in it because it that that doesn't that there's another aspect of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► iOS that that would be philosophically opposed to there's a sort of do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► allow you to shoot yours by part of the design of iOS is to design a system that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► prevents you from shooting yourself in the foot even that you really really if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► you've got like a really cheat you know a satchel eats foot and you just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► you're not you can't do it in iOS by itself that just never would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► occurred to anybody in the mac OS air like I don't think the fact that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► know i mean it wasn't like the Machine shipped with resident you had to put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► on your machine but not even allowing you to do resident or not allowing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► know having a resident that wasn't allowed to edit certain system files or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► something like that never existed makes sense well I mean used to some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► hacks we would do we would go right into the remember there is the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► suitcase there was actually there is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► yeah i mean as part of the things one of things that i say made the mac the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► original mac so beautiful is that the entire file system was there was no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► crap there was like four or in those years went on very very little crap like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► it was just a folder that said system folder and inside was a last suitcase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► file called system and that had all the resources for the system itself and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► they're all neatly organized over there were no hidden folders or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► that the only hidden folder I can remember would be the desktop folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► that at the root level of the hard drive there was an invisible folder called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► disc Desktop folder which is the actual location in the file system where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► everything you put on your desktop was notably under the root of the disk not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► under the user there was no user right well that's that I mean this is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► things got a little bit interesting i was ten came along right things get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► and that's why we started but i don't remember who is a beta that actually hid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► anything outside of user I'll man i think that their wireless I think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► mighta been floated but yeah they went back and forth a lot of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► yeah oh let me take a break my word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► yeah you think several thank our first 41 minutes and you haven't even gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2378">TS</a>]
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00:40:27 ◼ ► anybody is listening to me talk about audible right now you are somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► enjoys listening to people talk to audio spoken audio content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► I don't know how you're listening to me you're using you know your phone if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► you're using your desktop got headphones on your pumping through your car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► speakers but wherever you are whatever you're doing you like listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2443">TS</a>]
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00:40:51 ◼ ► of these things is something to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► if to fill up the remaining time that you have to to listen to stuff i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2454">TS</a>]
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00:41:53 ◼ ► do I always prepare very copious and well-organized notes for the show yeah i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► did not have a trip down memory lane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► there's not much i like the mac i like the max so much when i was a freshman in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► college and finally owned one and had it i spent my entire freshman year all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► my free time either playing games or hacking or dealing with the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► resources and in resident and didn't you know I didn't go out drinking or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► all I did recreation I just continued to play basketball I play basketball and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► sat in my dorm room staring at my mac LC staring at it and we didn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► network at the time there was no there was no internet in the dorms at Drexel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► University at the time so you know what and modems were modems are so expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► they're probably looking at a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► yeah there are preposterous is why 291 9091 292 yeah I've told this story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► before to wee-wee wired up the dorm room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► kelvin hall at drexel with the phone net forget what they were called but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► were these little and they were these were pretty cheap you can get the order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► amount of the back Mac world magazine or mac user you mail order these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:03 ◼ ► going to get yours from a connection was about 15 bucks and get a little about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2583">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► the size of the mouse maybe even spark smaller than the mouths of the day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► it would plug into the serial port of your mac and then I was a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► connector on the other side on the box and so then you could use phone cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► just regular old telephone cable to create a local talk network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► oh man executed that so you playing video games again right spectators the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► name of the was that it was like a first-person shooter i get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► vector-based no pseudo vector based tank game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► and we wired up the whole floor and we figured out you know and then I we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► figured out that you know this is like the first time I learned how you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► like you know some electrical stuff work that there's nothing really magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► about phone cable it's just copper that's all it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► there's no it's just copper intellect you know the electrons move on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► doesn't you know and that the colors are just to match up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► there's nothing different about him so yeah we figured out we could we we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► ran speaker wire through the drop ceiling all around the forget what floor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► i was 18 for seventh floor of common Hall and then just ran phone wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► between anybody who wanted to get on the network or not you know and you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► have to do any soldering or any just going to connect the dots make sure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► cable and is the electrical tape it up so we have the whole floor wired up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► oh my god it was like the first time I ever had African what was called boy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► somebody out there remember it but a mac it wasn't there when you just Hotwire it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► was it now was way before that way it was but you can I guess you'd have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► know you didn't have a user ID you have a mac name though so your Mac would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► a home on the local top network so that's how you do you know that was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► your ID say but you could like effectively just sent teams to each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:57 ◼ ► other which was amazing everything of course if everybody does this all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2697">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► time now but it was like my introduction to tell ya that was really cool and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► was all through a proper Mac interface there was no wasn't like you have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► to a terminal type application or anything like that it was great yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► then we found out the kids on the floor above us had done the same thing and did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► you bake them to you yeah there was a lot of trash let's call it an internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► there's a lot of trash talking about who's better at inspector and so we ran [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► some wire outside my room up to the 16 is created named yeah and then one day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► the guy i forget them is title but whoever it was he was the guy who's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► yeah you know like I forget his title but the guy that was in church but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► wasn't like a name sounds like an eighties villain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► yeah well he is a nice guy i just it was it was a very eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► keezmovies situation where i got a knock on the door and was told to come down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► and meet him it was me and the guy above me who's thing says his smoking jacket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► with like one of those candy with the candy cigarettes and the dorm faced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► south or at least my side of the dorm face south and so it caught the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► afternoon sunlight the afternoon sunlight came into our dorm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► he said he was coming up the street yesterday and no notice the very bright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► this is where we were where we screwed up is that we just use speaker wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► instead of we didn't really try to disguise it and that the the copper of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► that speaker wire really it was bright it like blinded him and he saw like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► very bright line between our dorm rooms and we got closer and figure out what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► was you know that this is a fire hazard and we you know got to take this down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► immediately and he obviously and I tried to explain that and I'm i think i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► i'm correct that it was not a fire hazard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► it dont think theres not flotation right there's not a voltage you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► our husbands also not a dumb suggestion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► no not a dumb suggestion and I could totally see why as a someone with a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► that you know ya needed to deal with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► so we start always I will get right on it will take it right down and and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► we did was take down the bridge between the two floors of course and hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► he didn't make any kind of spot inspection because it also seemed clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► he had no idea he i think he did because he saw it he thought it was a connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:20 ◼ ► between my room and the kid above his room not a connection between like 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2840">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► dorm gray those were the days can't compete with that maybe could be used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► look at shielded wire little bit more gonna get ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► don't ya think we could have you no money was money was a problem though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► mean this was a network that we you know other than that with everybody had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► fifteen dollar box data by themselves and i would say the rest of it cost us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► yeah wherever wherever we went to buy the speaker wire in bulk and the DA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2874">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► I like that you stepped up from just using the like sort of the 10 that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► can get from like gum wrappers burning off the paper side and that is using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► 10 and just kinda you're having it together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► I'm trying to google the name of this app and I cannot find it i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► how did because it the because it was something that was only abuse in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► maybe ladies very late eighties and early nineties it all predates the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► internet and predates google so i know it's like impossible you know why a used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► to go to work I was thinking about right for old-school unix names [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► yeah i mean i wasn't a unix name it was a total Mac think it was not to support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► yeah it was like wasn't wasn't talk like something you could do local talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► it but that no yeah local chakra see a protocol but talking unix yeah i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► remember talk and then there was like variants of it like and talk and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► Amy and I used to use that extensively because I've been entirely retro episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► of the show so amy was in Pittsburgh and I was in Philadelphia and even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► it's still the state of Pennsylvania it was still this is out ancient the early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► nineties were there was long-distance phone calls were still a thing so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► used to read just by talking a few minutes a week we'd rack up a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► dollar-a-month phone bill which was massive college student said there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► no way to to cost-effectively speak on the phone from pittsburgh to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► philadelphia and then we just got you know we got email and email each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► when we discovered like talk and talk but to be we had to use them like she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► had to use it from like a lab rat pit at university of pittsburgh she didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► a computer in your dorm and eventually i think i got a modem soon enough but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► think when we first started doing it I might have had to go to the lab to so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► we'd have to like schedule a time because you wouldn't be able to to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► nice you know like like the whole idea of how do you start texting with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► somebody is is a totally different problem when you don't have that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► phone with you at all times and there's no better sexy talk and scheduled time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► in the lab right that but it worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► it was amazing you can tell you that you can see what each other was typing at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► the same time to at least with one of them the one we like the best I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► like character by character yeah it was like smelly delete yeah yeah I just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► and you can make jokes with it you know it was good yeah good way to like make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► jokes where you type something and then delete delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► yeah I'm of two minds that I'm kind of glad that people don't get to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► it was about to say but i remember those apps when it was like you have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► 3-digit icq code at one point which I never used to remember i think you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► I yeah I never really used it really black mostly pc think yeah and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► remember I remember not getting there was like a real eye-opener me where I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► heard of it i thought no i don't think i ever signed up for it and then it but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► was like six months after i became aware of it when I realized that that that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► name was upon because I all your IRC and I you know IRC was just internet relay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► chat i did use that of course and then I thought icq was just the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► where it had meant something and I didn't realize that it was icq yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► this explains why i had no interest in using yeah well I also at the time did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► not have any interest in talking to people that weren't in front of me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► has changed as they have become employed you still looking like i am i'm tweeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► I'm going to tweet here this is alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► there's a tweet livejournal actually anyone remember the name of the early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► nineties chooser extension for instant messaging on local talk let's see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► Twitter can see if Twitter kenmare can consider the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► yeah yeah filipino going to look to live audience right i just want to say we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► actually had a plan like I have an army outlined a document here but that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► we're gonna talk about it i'm gonna do and you know what the first one was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► Prince right we did that and we're still good but what's next on your army or was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► it the ben thompson Apple yeah the actual services right yeah so yeah and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► don't want to drag you back to this because I love have done however we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► filled it up i'll just wait until my Twitter replies have their yeah we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► get back today I'm so how would you summarize Ben Thompson 10 times a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► piece on st. Thompson is a person you don't know the best time someone who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► don't like a yeah it's difficult I kid like it had a good pieces weekly free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3172">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► may take that to hurt his weekly free for everyone's protector II column this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► week was either really area is always good but i thought this one was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► particularly good yeah i'm more or less arguing that all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:14 ◼ ► one of the things that makes apple very unique i'm gonna try to summarize this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3194">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► very quickly is that apple doesn't have product divisions there's no Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► division at the logical way for a company that sells what apple sells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► would be to have a mac division and iphone division probably a separate ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► although there's you know you could argue whether an ipad maybe in them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► the eye and iphone division a new watch division at seventh and they don't TV or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► accessories be any accessories division the TV being the thing and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► that's not how the company has been setup it it that's the first thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► probably the most important thing that Steve Jobs did when he came back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► 1997a I was dismantled that sort of thinking and it put in what would what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► best called I mean this is the part where Ben Ben Ben can smart talk is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► because he actually you know like knows the business school terminology and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► just 11 me when you asked me to talk about this I'm like seriously like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► but that hasn't stopped me on it like its gonna go guy but this side of is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► anyway because it's functional vs divisional right you just described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► Apple works as a functional structure and you know there have been exceptions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► the ipod division was sort of an exception to this but they got rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► that and wait let's define why the ipod division was a separate from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► because it had its own OS and it's running right of the manufacturing trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► yeah it made sense for and I think it sort of evolved naturally and it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► really seen as an exception but simply that it just was just made sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3294">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► yeah I'm and I really don't think it's overstating it that that the decision to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► go with a stripped down version of OS 10 as the OS for the original iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► instead of a a you know muscled-up version of the ipod OS or some other new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► new OS in know in the mindset of the I've ipod OS and interpersonal games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► right right exactly what was it called it takes you pics opx I think either p I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► xof PX I oh yeah i think it was p IXO but yeah it was an embedded operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► system you know 44 get a license and heavily modified right i think i'm being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► fair in describing that as a including all of you know the early ipods as ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► more computer like electronic gadgets and then the other mindset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► it is and it just we did you know that the industry just had to wait until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► computers got small enough and cheap enough and and ran with you know a low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► enough energy to make ever more gadget like computers right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:19 ◼ ► the iphone is a gadget like unix computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3379">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► I mean it really is it full you know it's a much better units computer than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► most of the server's of you know the earlier part of our lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► well going I mean going back to what we were talking about the previously when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► stand first became the thing people all worried about like well unix rights at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► these massive log files every night at midnight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► ok you can't do that on a pc you know a few years later it's appropriate to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► using on a phone because of a lot of work that went into always 10 and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► soda taming unix back to be I guess more focused or don't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► yeah boots i remember at the macworld where the original iphone was introduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► it was Macworld Expo january 2007 and it was it's the biggest sensation of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► sensations from to go into that but then it was doing the trade show was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► afterwards and I think I was doing a live episode of the talkshow did it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► cable sasser damn behavin wasn't there and so is Craig there too which is cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► yeah it gives you in this class boo three now is the different was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► different one we don't know that we had and we weren't in a glass booth and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► had an audience of people might have been after that one where where we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► it in the the glass booth which was weird but we're out on the open show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3472">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► I don't know where the audio is but it was just just we obviously knew we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► to talk about just mean cable sasser talking about this amazing iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► and I just remember cable came out and we haven't I don't know 1,500 people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► front of us and cables and how many people how many of you guys are thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► you're going to buy one right away and everybody's hand just shot up like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► shot up since I've never seen any product where every single person just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► needed to have one right away it was amazing but anyway we're just smiling in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► internet I couldn't buy one in Canada I was there I saw 1i bought it i like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► do and I've told the story before but all I could do for like a long time with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► slide to unlock to call 911 that was it i spend a bunch of money on something so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► incredible but you could use the only thing i could do is i want you to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► the police to get never asked me for abusing a feature on my new phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► you can use it on Wi-Fi not until after jailbreak all that's right because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► I could even jailbreak it at I'm telling you all I could do is slide that thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► totally forgot about that you had to unlock the carrier unlock it yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► had to get it unlocked by AT&T before it would even work as a ipod touch that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► right that's right yeah that's what I finally I was i slide the headline i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► would've bought 12 I would have done the same thing it was like me buying the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► as soon as jobs into the company would like next up but I was like a min let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► so after the podcast I there was a friend and Apple are known for awhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► still there so I can't say who but somebody and and I knew that they did he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► had disappeared for a while you know and in just disappeared in terms of like he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► was obviously working on something that was all-consuming and it turned out he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3592">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► first version was even called iOS yet and you know even then even though he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► could reveal that the ask this is what I've been working on these didn't always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► an apple person he still can't even off the record in private just you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► you know just commiserating after the show wasn't like anything but I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► questions and you know would Apple friends always like to ask questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► they just sometimes don't answer them you don't have to get used to that and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► asked him i was like ok so if it's running even the most stripped-down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► version of OS 10 conceivable just really really lighter weight and really take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► hatchet to all sorts of stuff that you know the demons and processes running in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► the background is like that is going to take forever to turn on compared to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► ipod or like a regular cell phone and he just looked at me and smiled and he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► said yes as though yes there we did there's no way to avoid that but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► won't have to turn you know you what if you don't have to turn it off all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► time and I was like oh and i realize like that is interesting and I think did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► that whole story was inspired by your like the way that like a unit most units [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► machines were configured that at the turn of midnight just start doing a spew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► a whole bunch of automated system cleanup and log files and all this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► and rotate on and do all this crazy stuff and just because all the units [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► machines we knew to date did that doesn't mean that one that was built for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► consumers would have to do that too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► it's like you just step away and realize that that is a terrible assumption to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► alright guys took that one step further in it and aid they didn't give you swap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► space right and just explained that if you're using more memory then is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► typical unix systems will try to make it available to you by granting you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► disk-based swap out portions of whatever you working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► instead it would tell you you getting very close to the limit here and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► there wasn't even three strength right was like the second strike would say ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► what you did I just kill you your Apple go away and that brought a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► discipline to writing applications that it was foreign to the unix world where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► you presume that you had you know if not complete control at least you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► marshal that the system into doing exactly what you wanted right especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► once we got to the point where disk space was if not infinite was at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► compared to ram infinite then once we started measuring hard disks in hundreds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► of gigabytes at least maybe even the early maybe even like 40 80 gigabyte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► sizes compared to ram that's just humongous and therefore unix is the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► of we'll just pretend ram is infinite and write out what you're using to disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► and move from disk back into actual ram what we need on-the-fly could work but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► that's exactly why in layman's terms in I mean in this doesn't happen anymore if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:23 ◼ ► you have SSDs and it probably doesn't happen anymore just because you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3803">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► really most of us don't need swap or at least don't mean much but in the days of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► spinning hard drives and low amount of ram when your system started to slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► down and you'd hear hard drive for feeling knowing all the time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► exactly why because it was constantly shuffling back and more inclusive visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► well I'm kind of glad we did that memory lane thing right at the top of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► it gets a lot more context of this kind of stuff with the other foot getting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► other philosophical aspect of traditional unix is that a process that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► starts running will run until it processed the process itself besides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3835">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► okay i'm done and now i'm leaving and you could have bugs that would crash the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► personal interaction and kill the process manually like did you know force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► quit but the system itself would do whatever it takes to make sure that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► has bugs aside and user action aside you will run forever if you want to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► forever and iOS like you said said you need to be ready to die in a moment's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► notice like traditional unix operating systems a bend over backwards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► service of the applications that are running if you have any data that iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► bends over backwards right for the user right and for the interaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► interactivity interactions yeah and so the idea of as a as a proper iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► developer is if you have any data that needs to be certain needs to be saved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:52 ◼ ► you need to save it constantly and at all times at any time it changes save it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3892">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► anytime it changes save it automatically because you might be killed at any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3896">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► you may be killed and then the user may come back to your lab and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► expected to be in the same spot to pretend like nothing happened and yeah i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► mean the home button used to just kill you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► yeah everytime automatically USA at the home button that whatever was running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► yeah you know I have that discipline i really do like in the denominator has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► been hardcore the time it took for the prefer the animation to go back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► home screen you were expected to be completely cleaned up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► yeah you're good yeah got the boot but so anyway that that decision that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► fateful decision to go the cut-down version of OS 10 route effectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► squeeze Tony Fadell out the door and sort of brought an end to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► functional arrangement and then in $MONTH 2011 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► now that would be a division arrangement take ya the divisional manager I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:48 ◼ ► nnnn incorrect and then in $MONTH 2011 with the Scott Forstall now stir it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3948">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► really ended it because effectively I think it's fair to say that Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3955">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► Forstall ran in iOS division within Apple name maybe that's a little too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► glib but it's you know it forestall that amount of maybe you know and there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► obviously some parts that were shared between os's but they tended to filter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► years later right like and there was even an event the one time that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:25 ◼ ► made that the theme of the event was called like the back of my mac back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► the Mac the Mac yeah and it was look we've recreated a bunch of these cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► technologies for iOS in the last few years and they actually these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► would make sense I'm know as 10 and so we've taken them back to the mac as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► opposed to today's i would say extremely functionally a wine Apple where Craig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► federighi he's T&J software is in charge of software and yes there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► divisions and it seems like the watch OS team is sort of off on its own a but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► don't think in a contentious way it's just in a they have to put their heads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► no I don't think it's contentious that you're right it's early days right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► yeah exactly i think it makes sense for early days that you sort of get i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► you could probably say the apple TV is kind of in the same boat again but apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► TV is Right believe under 80 kia the I did think so but i don't i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► entirely sure I'm pretty sure now that you're right and so Ben Thompson's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► argument is that this works great for devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► Apple has proven that it works great in it it explains apples continue you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► I wouldn't you know anything can end because it all depends on actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4076">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► execution they have to it's easy so long as you keep making great products and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► that's actually a very you know the keep making great products is difficult in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► and of itself but if you do it's easy to keep keep them popular and to keep the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► integration between things that that makes apple stuff so you know famously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► fun and easy and and and attractive to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► yeah and I in some ways that do think that it's folly to associate a the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► success of one company with the prominence of one kind of model like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► don't whether one company succeeds or fails as a lot more to do with other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► factors and other than the particular model like you can't you can't i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► think you can look at any functional company and be like well they're bound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► to be like Apple because that's not the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► similarly don't think you can say that like I need company that follows a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► division organizational pattern is going to become like DuPont which is his you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► know his is example right right Ben's example is that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► excuse me I think it's pretty interesting is to compare apple today to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► dupont from like a hundred years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► first we're well on our way to go to one department became huge by building one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► doing one thing which is making gunpowder and then 371 now is popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► and then post-war they realized that gunpowder was a technical level very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► similar to making paint and a lot of stuff needed to be repainted me as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► world war one and so they decided to take a weary and see what seemed like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► natural area of growth for the two-point company was expanded into making paint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► and it yet somehow they ended up losing tons of money on the paint business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► because of even though it was similar to manufacture the market was entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► different right so selling gunpowder they would sell two massive fires like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► uh well I mean obviously the military be effective as it was I let the bullets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► yeah selling pain could be selling a monopod that are trying to like and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► sir there you know this my business kind of think very different very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► marketing very different packaging very different distributions games right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► and you know they ended up having to switch and so they switched to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► a division division right so there's a paint division and gunpowder division in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► it and it worked out and then that became the model for a big corporations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► ever since and then now apples soon as the exception as opposed to a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► years ago where were apples functional arrangement would have seen more natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4255">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► so the question is should Apple services be split out into a divisional dad this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► is where this is the point of the whole point of Ben's thing is that this works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► great for apple with devices it is not working out well for them with services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► and apple themselves their executives on the quarterly call like lat three months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► ago emphasize their efforts into services and it's Ben's argument is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► they should really should split services out into a separate division even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► account you know even do a separate profit and loss for that division and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► not even i think ok well II equivalents on and a little bit but it equivocate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► they should say but a separate profit loss would allow them to track the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► progress of the services division separately from the product division i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► can see I i I'm not entirely convinced that is right but I can definitely get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► it i see that he might be and and the difference is that i think and I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:07 ◼ ► you know I think he makes this . too but that the traditional divisional nature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4327">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► is what creates intercompany political conflict that blocks the data it often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► leads to this is why a company never tends to disrupt itself that if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:28 ◼ ► had a culture like that then the the iphone where they never would have even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4348">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► debated whether it was the ipod division that would make the iphone because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► course they did because the ipod was the new hot thing at apple at the name and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/4357">TS</a>]
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01:24:26 ◼ ► maps is just one example but anything like that map's I message iCloud more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5066">TS</a>]
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01:36:54 ◼ ► compared to the Android or Twitter right and you know just subtle cues and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► just some of the each vendor that map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► I don't know if everybody know is getting it like what you see on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► screen is not what somebody else sees on their screen right hand and face with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► gleaming teeth on your screen may look I don't I don't know this but like let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► say like the two buck teeth on the other screen like so it looks like you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► having us wide smile on your screen but you look like you're sending it like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► hick right of stereotypical hick in Oregon to the other person on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► and a when you're dealing with a particularly dense communication stream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► like emoticons that becomes problematic right right users and I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► maybe people don't worry about it or I do a little bit cuz i find i always you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► know I mean it's a shocker given my career I really it pains me to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► that I'm not commit you know people aren't understanding what i'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5878">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► communicate as clearly as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► and have you given into murder constant chat i don't think we do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► no i-i've never did I and an emoji of save me from it i've never really was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:16 ◼ ► big user of of like the the ascii art you know smiley faces i mean IDK i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5896">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► going to say I never sent them but I've just found them to be too silly so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► didn't and yeah I think he used them with my I use emojis though I use emoji [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► now you know i'm not going to say like a teenager but I you know use it quite a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:35 ◼ ► bit using more slack than anywhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:38 ◼ ► yeah I use them on Twitter know sometimes I don't give a lot of thumbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5918">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► oh yeah yeah because it's i find it to be exceptionally efficient you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► yeah that's what that's one there's one that across-the-board nobody's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► misinterpret it doesn't matter how you drive a thumbs up or thumbs down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► yeah it's kind of a sailboat like yeah I mean yeah I find it to be it's it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5935">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► a great addition to our you know it'sit's it said you know obviously I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► thought it was silly at first consignment curmudgeon but once I opened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► my mind to it I really thought this is great this is a great improvement and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► much better than ask yard you know colon going a friend its coverage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► yeah i mean if I'm writing something there's no way I'm going to use it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► I'm reacting to something I feel better but I don't have ever spoken about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► in recent years i have spoken too i think you you would know you're closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► reader to know that in my writing I don't really use a lot of exclamation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► marks no very yeah but in like email come on two hands an email i use them a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► lot i use what i consider to be the friendly be friendly ! work and here's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:47 ◼ ► perfect example and it's a very common example is people often send me typo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5987">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► reports maybe I've spelled a word wrong where I've made a little mark down here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5994">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► or error in the post where I i used the wrong parentheses or I missed missed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:02 ◼ ► something and you see you know like a raw URL that's clearly supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6002">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► hyperlink and people will email me or Twitter be you know and say you got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6007">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► well a lot of people it'sit's don't think everybody knows this it consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► correcting someone spelling or punctuation on dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► not to be a faux pas at your you the person pointing out the error or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:23 ◼ ► jerk because you're pointing out you know I i love it i have i would rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6023">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► have a hundred people tell me about a spelling error matter and daring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► fireball then to have it go on corrected because everybody thinks it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:36 ◼ ► either either thinks I'm sure someone else told him or I don't want to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► jerk to tell to tell John that he has an airtight so and i try to I can't hide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► sometimes sometimes and if i post and then go make coffee or go run an errand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► and it's that the error is up for an hour I get a lot of them and it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► I'd like I can't be bothered to thank everybody but if i fix it right away i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► try to thank everybody and I'll often right fixed comma thanks and put an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► exclamation mark after the thanks because to me that reads as very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► friendly and unambiguously what do I mean by fixed comma thanks ! to me it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► I don't know it's just maybe the way i read that ! it's fixed and a genuine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► whereas if I wrote fixed comma thanks . I can see how that would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► misinterpreted naughty as yes as dry ya fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► thanks yeah thanks for me thanks I think I think you only ever send me fixed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:34 ◼ ► additive you that I don't care it's not you know give me but I just because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6094">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► don't need it and I find and I added and and it years ago I mean I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► many years ago I started doing that but it was uncomfortable with it because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► so uncomfortable with exclamation part more points to be to be at to me a false [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:56 ◼ ► sense of familiarity and friend yes you know and and to me and for example in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6116">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► marketing materials almost every single ! that's used in any marketing material [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:07 ◼ ► is terrible it's a terrible and it means that whoever is is is Right doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6127">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► it is is it is exactly why some people think the word marketing is a dirty word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:18 ◼ ► and all good brands you know with good marketing either never use exclamation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6138">TS</a>]
01:42:24 ◼ ► marks or almost never and when they do there's some kind of good argument for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6144">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► right but find me an ad from BMW with an exclamation mark and finally an ad from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► apple with an exclamation mark and it's nearly impossible so anybody out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:38 ◼ ► and it's 80 and it's awful also a rookie mistake it's a mistake that someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6158">TS</a>]
01:42:41 ◼ ► makes doing their own marketing when they're not used to doing marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6161">TS</a>]
01:42:44 ◼ ► because they think that their infusing the material with enthusiasm when what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6164">TS</a>]
01:42:49 ◼ ► they're really infusing it with his bullshit and an air of desperation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6169">TS</a>]
01:42:56 ◼ ► says yeah yeah because they could say something completely accurate right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6176">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► when you put an exclamation mark it's like you're trying to really call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► something out but i agree with you in casual communication and especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► these days you know it just a friendly way being like oh thanks I get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:18 ◼ ► long story single-leg mean it's it's a modifier if you reading it out line at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6198">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► out loud it's a modifier on the way that that sound should be right like it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:32 ◼ ► yeah well thanks oh thanks yes different 2 and as I do more podcasts as they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6212">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► priority i don't really do a lot of podcasts plural but as I podcast more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► and more i have grown lazy and my writing not lazy but I've grown to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► appreciate the fact that i can use inflection on a podcast in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:52 ◼ ► takes a lot more mental effort in prose to continue to be unambiguous about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6232">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► you know whether you're being sarcastic or not or something and when you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► set up also a I think it doesn't help you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:06 ◼ ► ok that's a bad way to start a sentence but it doesn't help you that like a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6246">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► of year in your linked list it's like one word you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► yeah the towards basically so if you then write with gravity its red in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:24 ◼ ► same voices like these one word retorts that you use in England list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6264">TS</a>]
01:44:29 ◼ ► mmm yeah i've used emoji on during fireball few times to just like twice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6269">TS</a>]
01:44:38 ◼ ► I need a better way to do it what's that is that had my dad's side I need to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6278">TS</a>]
01:44:43 ◼ ► into it there is some sort of i wouldn't not that i would use it frequently but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6283">TS</a>]
01:44:46 ◼ ► there but part of what makes me unlikely to use it frequently is the whole issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6286">TS</a>]
01:44:50 ◼ ► of avenging grab the rendering and not even being able to control the long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6290">TS</a>]
01:44:55 ◼ ► rendering on apple and iOS devices soonest if and when they're ever going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6295">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► to redraw some of the some of the class yeah happy face could be a swastika like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► next weekend you have no control right trying to see that I just sent you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► link to this bird story on the study that shows people interpreting emoji [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► differently in the way it's the one with gritting teeth is a really good one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► because it's on all the other platforms and I don't know exactly which what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:22 ◼ ► name of the it's grinning face with smiling eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6322">TS</a>]
01:45:26 ◼ ► yeah I and apples glyph makes it look like somebody who is man I you ciera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6326">TS</a>]
01:45:34 ◼ ► keith it's not a smile and it's almost like you've just said the wrong thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6334">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► right right like like the look you would give if you just mentioned somebody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► son or like their mother hey how's your mother and then like something you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:48 ◼ ► all of a sudden you remember that their mother died recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6348">TS</a>]
01:45:51 ◼ ► yeah something like that that the sort of green you would make in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6351">TS</a>]
01:45:55 ◼ ► situation is seething like sorry about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6355">TS</a>]
01:45:58 ◼ ► whereas the microsoft samsung LG and Google ones are all unambiguously a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6358">TS</a>]
01:46:04 ◼ ► toothy smile you know it's all happy they're all happy perfect example and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6364">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► there is there's a value I message in the fact that you and maybe people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:14 ◼ ► think about it consciously but you're you're you know what the other person is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6374">TS</a>]
01:46:18 ◼ ► going to see what weight between that mean that I message should normalize to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6378">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► what is evident i personally i prefer the apple logo i think it looks at days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► and it's useful it's usable anyway that and I don't think that there's an it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:38 ◼ ► useful but doesn't match the grinning face with smiling eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6398">TS</a>]
01:46:43 ◼ ► well the other descriptions emoji even but even with the other ones this study [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6403">TS</a>]
01:46:47 ◼ ► a sign you know old people on whether they think this is a negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6407">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► station of the glove even among the other ones there's a fairly wide variety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6412">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► they're all positive and apples is- don't- that group to wait closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6416">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► together did but but there's a difference like the difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6419">TS</a>]
01:47:02 ◼ ► Microsoft and Google is over over a point on a 5-point scale i agree that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6422">TS</a>]
01:47:07 ◼ ► there's my god a you come on do know the Bible Atlas is a four-point difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6427">TS</a>]
01:47:13 ◼ ► between Microsoft and Apple in the negative Direction no no I'm not trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6433">TS</a>]
01:47:17 ◼ ► to argue that on the case of this particular one that Apple is not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6437">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► outlier and i know i'm not i'm not arguing about it but I'm saying though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► even not counting Apple it's interesting to me that the ones who agree on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► basic sense of it still have a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:34 ◼ ► oh sure I that that and I think for most of the emoji that that's probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6454">TS</a>]
01:47:40 ◼ ► case i don't think any know i think most of them there is no outlier but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6460">TS</a>]
01:47:44 ◼ ► still a agree the other thing is context a emerging very suddenly make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6464">TS</a>]
01:47:55 ◼ ► without any words random right at least context of in in a conversation so while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6475">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► you could look at like madden what this tested and say okay what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► about each one of these emoji you could feel totally different given the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► researchers surveyed online respondents on how they interpreted the emojis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:16 ◼ ► sentiment rating it on a scale from negative 5 strongly negative 2 plus 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6496">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► strongly positive i have you know what okay what I don't think I've ever uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► happen emoji I our friend of the show pocket fastest he likes to use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:34 ◼ ► emoji as I as there as a person who is eight and observer of the uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6514">TS</a>]
01:48:45 ◼ ► yeah right the impossible is what that says right he likes to document you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6525">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► that sort of with the weird and you know on on his one foot tsunami and yeah in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:57 ◼ ► personal correspondence he will often you know is if I I that's one person I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6537">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► LG but goodies face with smiling eyes is the name of that emoji do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:13 ◼ ► Apple has accurately be rendered that notion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6553">TS</a>]
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01:49:22 ◼ ► totally into yeah i think the problem with it is that it doesn't what it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6562">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► the eyes it's the grin because to me a grin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6568">TS</a>]
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01:49:37 ◼ ► whereas that is absolutely not a smile now that's the ticket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6577">TS</a>]
01:49:42 ◼ ► that's it drawn to you tuesday nights like this should be if like the name of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6582">TS</a>]
01:49:46 ◼ ► that emoji should be embarrassed to sake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6586">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► yeah yeah at which I really i firmly believe is it perfectly valid emoji to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:57 ◼ ► have yeah and that's a great representation of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6597">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► yeah here's the definite dictionary definition of grin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:05 ◼ ► it is a smile broadly especially in an unrestored manner with the mouth open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6605">TS</a>]
01:50:09 ◼ ► tennis appears the example Dennis appeared grinning use cheerfully as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6609">TS</a>]
01:50:16 ◼ ► noun it is a broad smile so dad definitely I think that I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6616">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► winning team is in accurately rendered but now it's too late or is it I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► know because if they change it then all sorts of things that all sorts of ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6627">TS</a>]
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01:50:39 ◼ ► the problem right emoji are words that when i send them to you change meaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6639">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► for the show's really I've I love her like I love it but its northern it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:52 ◼ ► this is nowhere near the list and stuff we're getting into the lung linguistics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6652">TS</a>]
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01:51:01 ◼ ► ascii emoticon artwork where it's a little bit a little bit more defined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► right like your semicolon might look different than my semicolon but I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► yeah i know stupid Winky when I see it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► a-and leaving now we got here a little so well for you . my message and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:27 ◼ ► services and whether they should be broken apart and so we get asked i also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6687">TS</a>]
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01:51:41 ◼ ► the that's actually that the one we're talking about i'm looking at the study [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6701">TS</a>]
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01:51:50 ◼ ► copying basing now they have examples of the ones with the biggest Delta's though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6710">TS</a>]
01:51:55 ◼ ► gritting teeth one is not only his apple an outlier as the emoji that particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6715">TS</a>]
01:52:00 ◼ ► the the distance from which that it there's no other emoji that they studied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6720">TS</a>]
01:52:05 ◼ ► that has a spread like that it just means something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6725">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► yeah it's actually and I think concentrating on that one in particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:12 ◼ ► actually you lose the general context of the study which is that even with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6732">TS</a>]
01:52:17 ◼ ► ones where they're generally all compliant with the description people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6737">TS</a>]
01:52:21 ◼ ► have a different interpretation of of what they mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6741">TS</a>]
01:52:25 ◼ ► intern at least the sentiment of being positive and right which i think is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6745">TS</a>]
01:52:28 ◼ ► super interesting . you know that I think the verge and it's not a knock but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6748">TS</a>]
01:52:36 ◼ ► you know whatever they picked the most illustrative . because it's easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6756">TS</a>]
01:52:41 ◼ ► well yeah I mean look at that you know that's clearly an outlier and that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6761">TS</a>]
01:52:47 ◼ ► know makes you want to kind of learn more about it so it's really nice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6767">TS</a>]
01:52:51 ◼ ► knock on them but it's like it really illustrates it look people on different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6771">TS</a>]
01:52:55 ◼ ► platforms will see different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6775">TS</a>]
01:52:57 ◼ ► yeah Ben Thompson's but if he's listening if he does listen to the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6777">TS</a>]
01:53:01 ◼ ► he's probably screaming at us that we're not talking about stickers which has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6781">TS</a>]
01:53:05 ◼ ► been a big ben's a big fan and study or of the chat services the ones that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6785">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► cross-platform like what's happened wechat those things have these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► called stickers which are like emoji but their custom to the service and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► just sending an image like an emoji and you know maybe around the holiday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:25 ◼ ► they'll come out with a custom a whole set of them about Christmas so instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6805">TS</a>]
01:53:29 ◼ ► you've got like Santa Claus on Christmas tree you could have a whole set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6809">TS</a>]
01:53:32 ◼ ► stickers all about christmas or or whatever or the world how is so down on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6812">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► that but you know what would it wouldn't you know that i talked to more slack and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6816">TS</a>]
01:53:46 ◼ ► sometimes I don't even care that it actually respond to him but I'll do one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6826">TS</a>]
01:53:50 ◼ ► of those reaction emoji exactly and i have been you kind of got me on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6830">TS</a>]
01:53:55 ◼ ► sticker stuff so I don't know I you know the more i talk about it with you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6835">TS</a>]
01:54:05 ◼ ► more I'm starting to disagree with him I want to scream the end I should get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6845">TS</a>]
01:54:09 ◼ ► money shot because he sees you he won't he's never done the show you has he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6849">TS</a>]
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01:54:20 ◼ ► the archives it's gonna bet it's like three times at least in all right ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6860">TS</a>]
01:54:34 ◼ ► times and it's now maybe five maybe I just search for Thompson on the page and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6874">TS</a>]
01:54:41 ◼ ► it shows up it'll show up twice for each one because I mention them in the title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6881">TS</a>]
01:54:45 ◼ ► and so yeah it took you know what he's never doing it again didn't know tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6885">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► you that right now didn't actually forget he's been on twice since august [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6892">TS</a>]
01:54:55 ◼ ► last year and is probably more often than i am probably and four times in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6895">TS</a>]
01:55:03 ◼ ► what about Apple music is an apple music already sort of a standalone out man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6903">TS</a>]
01:55:12 ◼ ► and they they have to sort of do profit and loss on that I mean they know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6912">TS</a>]
01:55:17 ◼ ► many subscribers they are and I know how much they're paying you know whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6917">TS</a>]
01:55:21 ◼ ► they actually count it and in and hold it accountable and have goals for it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6921">TS</a>]
01:55:26 ◼ ► you're getting fired if you don't meet this the way some people would some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6926">TS</a>]
01:55:30 ◼ ► companies winner divisions surely they know exactly how much Apple music is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6930">TS</a>]
01:55:35 ◼ ► making and how much it's costing and therefore they know whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6935">TS</a>]
01:55:38 ◼ ► profitable or not and they know what the Delta is month-to-month I mean and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6938">TS</a>]
01:55:43 ◼ ► know it because they leak things like the number of customers you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6943">TS</a>]
01:55:47 ◼ ► subscribers it's very very committed hey I honestly it's like so bad and getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6947">TS</a>]
01:55:54 ◼ ► getting back to the press tags a benz basic argument is that whatever gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6954">TS</a>]
01:56:01 ◼ ► there's no way they don't know if Apple music is making losing money and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6961">TS</a>]
01:56:08 ◼ ► not that they say that they don't have profit and loss in the company is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6968">TS</a>]
01:56:15 ◼ ► they be port one level of profit and loss right which is a very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6975">TS</a>]
01:56:20 ◼ ► thing I don't think that means internally that they don't worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6980">TS</a>]
01:56:25 ◼ ► this kind of stuff and I message right i don't think that so they expanded what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6985">TS</a>]
01:56:34 ◼ ► yes there's no way they did that without considering profit/loss no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6994">TS</a>]
01:56:37 ◼ ► well of course not because they charge for that right you know is that clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/6997">TS</a>]
01:56:44 ◼ ► yeah and in fact I'm telling the more talk about it the more I it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7004">TS</a>]
01:56:48 ◼ ► piece but I still it the more i talk about it the more I think I disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7008">TS</a>]
01:56:52 ◼ ► that that's a guide totally agree that he has he's identified a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7012">TS</a>]
01:56:57 ◼ ► I don't think though we as proposed solution is right because to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7017">TS</a>]
01:57:01 ◼ ► iCloud Drive another example where it they don't do profit and loss across you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7021">TS</a>]
01:57:06 ◼ ► know the way other companies do but you would never guess that by the way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7026">TS</a>]
01:57:10 ◼ ► charge for iCloud storage right for based on the way that that they charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7030">TS</a>]
01:57:15 ◼ ► for iCloud storage you would think the opposite you would think this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7035">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► company where somebody in the iCloud division has a gun to their head that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:22 ◼ ► they're supposed to make a lot of money on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7042">TS</a>]
01:57:24 ◼ ► yeah because they charge more than anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7044">TS</a>]
01:57:28 ◼ ► yeah boy for why penny and there's another one to iCloud drive to me works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7048">TS</a>]
01:57:35 ◼ ► amazingly well I honestly in my experience and I know somebody out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7055">TS</a>]
01:57:40 ◼ ► is going to disagree and think that i'm smoking Apple dope or something but I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7060">TS</a>]
01:57:45 ◼ ► find that it is up to dropbox quality which is invisible that I never if i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7065">TS</a>]
01:57:52 ◼ ► editing you know apps that I know use that use iCloud Drive like you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7072">TS</a>]
01:57:57 ◼ ► couple of important number spreadsheet at this point when I save stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7077">TS</a>]
01:58:03 ◼ ► I know that it's there and I can go to a different mac or a different device and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7083">TS</a>]
01:58:08 ◼ ► it's just there that's not it i still use dropbox because i use it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7088">TS</a>]
01:58:12 ◼ ► different ways and drop boxes more is a lot easier to use as a sort of junk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7092">TS</a>]
01:58:16 ◼ ► drawer where you just put anything and everything and have it go everywhere and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7096">TS</a>]
01:58:20 ◼ ► iCloud drive to me still works best in the mindset of hey the documents for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7100">TS</a>]
01:58:27 ◼ ► numbers you go two numbers you know it's not really i don't really even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7107">TS</a>]
01:58:30 ◼ ► you can put arbitrary files in there your iCloud Drive now i still use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7110">TS</a>]
01:58:34 ◼ ► dropbox for that but just in terms of having the sink work just invisibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7114">TS</a>]
01:58:38 ◼ ► instant nearly instantaneously it's up there i think they get a bad rap for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7118">TS</a>]
01:58:44 ◼ ► problems that they had in the past and people either every aren't giving it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7124">TS</a>]
01:58:48 ◼ ► fair look in with open eyes now or it there just to set your mindset that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7128">TS</a>]
01:58:54 ◼ ► Apple's you know that anything related iCloud sucks but what they charge for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7134">TS</a>]
01:58:59 ◼ ► i think is creates almost crazy compared to what other people charged for storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7139">TS</a>]
01:59:03 ◼ ► I think the story later XO opened at the functionality seems to be really pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7143">TS</a>]
01:59:16 ◼ ► believe that they could charge a lot less than they should and if anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7156">TS</a>]
01:59:20 ◼ ► they should be because you know it's really only meant to be used on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7160">TS</a>]
01:59:23 ◼ ► expensive Apple devices that have high profit margins it seems to me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7163">TS</a>]
01:59:27 ◼ ► iCloud Drive storage per gigabyte ought to be less than the competition not more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7167">TS</a>]
01:59:32 ◼ ► than the competition because like Dropbox just to name one example all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7172">TS</a>]
01:59:36 ◼ ► money they're making is for people paying for dropbox storage they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7176">TS</a>]
01:59:39 ◼ ► sell eight-hundred-dollar cell phones that with forty percent profit margins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7179">TS</a>]
01:59:43 ◼ ► that they can get other revenue from all they have is the storage where is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7183">TS</a>]
01:59:47 ◼ ► is just one little thing so there's an example where I don't know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7187">TS</a>]
01:59:51 ◼ ► how do anything they can make money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7191">TS</a>]
01:59:55 ◼ ► hi guys i don't disagree with you but I mean you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7195">TS</a>]
01:59:55 ◼ ► hi guys i don't disagree with you but I mean you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7195">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► run the scenarios and they make I'm writing you say yeah and that example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:06 ◼ ► can make money and they've landed i projected scenarios and right and most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7206">TS</a>]
02:00:10 ◼ ► and i often run it you know for some reason multan particular and I when he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7210">TS</a>]
02:00:13 ◼ ► on the show always run into this where we end up talking ourselves into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7213">TS</a>]
02:00:16 ◼ ► spending Tim Cook's money you know when I route totally realize how she's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7216">TS</a>]
02:00:20 ◼ ► easy and awesome thing to do because it's fun right but i totally realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7220">TS</a>]
02:00:24 ◼ ► that the way you become the world's most profitable company is that you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7224">TS</a>]
02:00:30 ◼ ► cut your losses and you know you sweat the details make money you don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7230">TS</a>]
02:00:35 ◼ ► this money away here in there and that all sorts of ideas that we have involve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7235">TS</a>]
02:00:39 ◼ ► Apple missing a little extra money away here and there and then you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7239">TS</a>]
02:00:43 ◼ ► little way here in there and then all of a sudden you not the world's most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7243">TS</a>]
02:00:46 ◼ ► well because ultimately so the argument is that they should make iCloud storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7246">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► cheaper despite the fact that we don't know how many like what the percentages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7252">TS</a>]
02:01:00 ◼ ► of iOS device owners or Apple device honors heard that subscribe to it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7260">TS</a>]
02:01:07 ◼ ► should make it cheaper in order to make them happier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7267">TS</a>]
02:01:10 ◼ ► yeah well but but we've already got a cust sat number of like 98 right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7270">TS</a>]
02:01:18 ◼ ► like maybe when that drops to like 89 maybe that's when you like i'm good i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7278">TS</a>]
02:01:23 ◼ ► iose stuff and I almost think that Apple should know better than to trust the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7283">TS</a>]
02:01:27 ◼ ► customer set because people might do to and nada actually think they do people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7287">TS</a>]
02:01:32 ◼ ► maybe don't have high enough expectations yet they don't expect to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7292">TS</a>]
02:01:35 ◼ ► have infinite storage online and so therefore they don't judge apple by that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7295">TS</a>]
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02:01:43 ◼ ► they only have five gigabytes of storage in their iCloud account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7303">TS</a>]
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02:02:07 ◼ ► really think that it i don't want to quite say there's a moral obligation but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7327">TS</a>]
02:02:13 ◼ ► I'm spectrum it is on some spectrum being in favor of avoiding data loss at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7333">TS</a>]
02:02:17 ◼ ► all costs is a moral issue and and I really wish that more and more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7337">TS</a>]
02:02:21 ◼ ► would be able to see you know reasonably serve there and save their entire photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7341">TS</a>]
02:02:26 ◼ ► and video library to their iCloud account because otherwise if they lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7346">TS</a>]
02:02:30 ◼ ► or break their phone they might lose lose photos and videos perfectly i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7350">TS</a>]
02:02:36 ◼ ► disagree with you about that I don't know what that costs I don't know but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7356">TS</a>]
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02:02:52 ◼ ► know but not not to get all capitalist on it because i'm canadian so we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7372">TS</a>]
02:03:02 ◼ ► probably just nationalize every company and but but there doesn't the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7382">TS</a>]
02:03:14 ◼ ► they can make money on it and you know like if people need this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7394">TS</a>]
02:03:22 ◼ ► it's effectively insurance right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7402">TS</a>]
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02:03:49 ◼ ► have said ahhh that's the one jeff would never say that he was hit the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7429">TS</a>]
02:03:55 ◼ ► opposite sides but I'd I think that they would but Apple needs is better and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7435">TS</a>]
02:04:04 ◼ ► rigid measurements of their services they should and higher standards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7444">TS</a>]
02:04:09 ◼ ► standards for them i see fewer and fewer times that I see any kind of out-of-sync [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7449">TS</a>]
02:04:14 ◼ ► I messages i use iMessage all the time i use it across a bunch of devices and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7454">TS</a>]
02:04:20 ◼ ► my use it is excellent and then getting better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7460">TS</a>]
02:04:23 ◼ ► there's another one of those things where I just feel like don't judge it by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7463">TS</a>]
02:04:26 ◼ ► how it used to be but it's it's really gotten good at one of my mac the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7466">TS</a>]
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02:04:35 ◼ ► active on my mac and text that I've sent from my phone all day if there are one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7475">TS</a>]
02:04:40 ◼ ► message when i get to my mac there there waiting for me if I want to get back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7480">TS</a>]
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02:04:56 ◼ ► from him they only go to my phone at least and they don't go to my my mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7496">TS</a>]
02:05:00 ◼ ► i don't know why they're blue and it seems like both devices are set up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7500">TS</a>]
02:05:06 ◼ ► the same phone number in the same Apple ID and whether he's sending it to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7506">TS</a>]
02:05:10 ◼ ► phone number or my apple ID email address i don't know but everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7510">TS</a>]
02:05:15 ◼ ► else's rsync between so just you know it 99 instead of 99.9 percent of messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7515">TS</a>]
02:05:22 ◼ ► sinking properly between devices you know maybe making 99.99 you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7522">TS</a>]
02:05:28 ◼ ► there's there ought to be a good eye and I do always opt into the send Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7528">TS</a>]
02:05:33 ◼ ► diagnostic stuff so they there hopefully they're measuring and they can they see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7533">TS</a>]
02:05:38 ◼ ► that there's a glitch you know but I that to me is the bottom line not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7538">TS</a>]
02:05:43 ◼ ► it should be about dollars and cents and profit and loss but that they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7543">TS</a>]
02:05:46 ◼ ► pick better metrics and improve these services to those levels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7546">TS</a>]
02:05:51 ◼ ► what do you perceive as the services that Apple has that that that need the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7551">TS</a>]
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02:06:07 ◼ ► good enough as somebody who ships mac software did did you know safe to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7567">TS</a>]
02:06:12 ◼ ► cloud and this is your appt napkin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7572">TS</a>]
02:06:14 ◼ ► yes napkin and we had some early reports where they were like the files would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7574">TS</a>]
02:06:21 ◼ ► clobber themselves when they were synced with it that was bad but things have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7581">TS</a>]
02:06:26 ◼ ► worked out better and notes is actually really great app and i'm already say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7586">TS</a>]
02:06:36 ◼ ► that because i know you know i don't disagree at all I mean is you know well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7596">TS</a>]
02:06:42 ◼ ► and while the new version your show that yeah I didn't new version of the notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7602">TS</a>]
02:06:46 ◼ ► version of notes that is that debuted last fall with iOS 9 and and the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7606">TS</a>]
02:06:52 ◼ ► version of macro elcapitan because it the the old version and notes only sink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7612">TS</a>]
02:06:58 ◼ ► through I map and it was a terrible hack and acted like a terrible hack and was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7618">TS</a>]
02:07:02 ◼ ► unreliable and the new one uses cloudkit I think right and yea 99% sure that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7622">TS</a>]
02:07:08 ◼ ► yet offering cloudkit which is not files in the file system like iCloud Drive it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7628">TS</a>]
02:07:15 ◼ ► is my culture with the word is but a synchronous abstracted object permanence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7635">TS</a>]
02:07:24 ◼ ► yes that's a good to sit well the bunch of words is gobbledygook really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7644">TS</a>]
02:07:29 ◼ ► motivated but it's an API that developers seem to like and it seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7649">TS</a>]
02:07:35 ◼ ► work the way it's supposed to which is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7655">TS</a>]
02:07:38 ◼ ► exactly what a service should be a nice change of pace right yeah that it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7658">TS</a>]
02:07:42 ◼ ► know it is it's a good API or good enough API and it's reliable so and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7662">TS</a>]
02:07:48 ◼ ► works at it in that within the timeframe that you would hope that it would work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7668">TS</a>]
02:07:52 ◼ ► where the note that you just checked out and paste it on your Mac you pick up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7672">TS</a>]
02:07:57 ◼ ► your phone and go and it's it's there on your phone so it's gonna it's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7677">TS</a>]
02:08:01 ◼ ► example itunes an apple music are there a mess like I mean I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7681">TS</a>]
02:08:14 ◼ ► understand anymore but you had already on the show recently and he was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7694">TS</a>]
02:08:20 ◼ ► well when you go to music have all you same music and it's like that's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7700">TS</a>]
02:08:25 ◼ ► problem right and if i play an album that I own to Apple music i can click on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7705">TS</a>]
02:08:32 ◼ ► the album art and click on a song on it and it'll start playing and then if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7712">TS</a>]
02:08:37 ◼ ► try to navigate to find like to play what's next and i click on an album that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7717">TS</a>]
02:08:41 ◼ ► happens to being included through my Apple music subscription the song . [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7721">TS</a>]
02:08:47 ◼ ► that's why can't I can't go and add it to up next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7727">TS</a>]
02:08:56 ◼ ► I don't whatever reason i don't know how many accounts i agree that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7736">TS</a>]
02:09:00 ◼ ► problems there and i still i find Apple music to be confusing Apple music I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7740">TS</a>]
02:09:03 ◼ ► don't understand i'm a very technical person it it triggers the that maybe I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7743">TS</a>]
02:09:08 ◼ ► a dummy thing that I think makes me a good designer and a good critic of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7748">TS</a>]
02:09:13 ◼ ► design because i have no I don't want me dummy right but I'm other people so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7753">TS</a>]
02:09:18 ◼ ► I'm unable to understand complex overly complex interfaces and that therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7758">TS</a>]
02:09:22 ◼ ► act right i think it makes me and I think i'm good at explaining why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7762">TS</a>]
02:09:26 ◼ ► know and it's it just is over the over the line of I just just did this doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7766">TS</a>]
02:09:31 ◼ ► seem to explain itself i can i can start to understand the rules but there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7771">TS</a>]
02:09:37 ◼ ► betray and based on technical limitations you know that then like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7777">TS</a>]
02:09:41 ◼ ► don't know that counsel to do that and services though I feel that it's more of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7781">TS</a>]
02:09:44 ◼ ► a sign of being tolerant of insufficient user enter user interfaces okay well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7784">TS</a>]
02:09:51 ◼ ► decline expression of that service is a suboptimal by and large i'm actually not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7791">TS</a>]
02:10:04 ◼ ► that down on Apple services per se but i also don't think I rely on them as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7804">TS</a>]
02:10:16 ◼ ► as many other people do like a lot of people do collaborative document sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7816">TS</a>]
02:10:22 ◼ ► / google or calendar sharing and I don't have to do that room I don't know if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7822">TS</a>]
02:10:31 ◼ ► exposed so much to the the negative sighs it maybe where Apple is not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7831">TS</a>]
02:10:43 ◼ ► well and the other thing too that plays into this and i often think about and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7843">TS</a>]
02:10:47 ◼ ► don't know how much of it is a problem or not is that Apple is in a position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7847">TS</a>]
02:10:50 ◼ ► where they benefit from the services of others you know so if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7850">TS</a>]
02:10:56 ◼ ► collaborative aspects to google docs that you know apples pages or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7856">TS</a>]
02:11:04 ◼ ► else can provide the fact is that you can get the full benefit of that while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7864">TS</a>]
02:11:09 ◼ ► using an Apple product because google docs as you know iOS apps and and web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7869">TS</a>]
02:11:16 ◼ ► web version that runs and you know anywhere and i think that's true for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7876">TS</a>]
02:11:20 ◼ ► lot of services you know it's it you know that they've got the problem for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7880">TS</a>]
02:11:27 ◼ ► Apple was back in the early to cycle back to two hours going to show the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7887">TS</a>]
02:11:30 ◼ ► problem was back in the old days when Apple was so much smaller that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7890">TS</a>]
02:11:34 ◼ ► stuff all the stuff didn't work on apple stuff i mean most famously that family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7894">TS</a>]
02:11:39 ◼ ► best example I can think of was that at first Napster was a windows only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7899">TS</a>]
02:11:43 ◼ ► right and there's this amazing thing that was a sensation that let the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7903">TS</a>]
02:11:48 ◼ ► world on fire and mac users were left out at first and then it was like we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7908">TS</a>]
02:11:54 ◼ ► that third-party clients that just use the napster API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7914">TS</a>]
02:11:57 ◼ ► which I were actually in some ways better because they were designed by Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7917">TS</a>]
02:12:02 ◼ ► developers and had better interface but then as napster itself the first class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7922">TS</a>]
02:12:07 ◼ ► that you know the first party napster would change things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7927">TS</a>]
02:12:09 ◼ ► the mac changes it you had to wait for the third party developers making these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7929">TS</a>]
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02:12:17 ◼ ► have that problem anymore nobody nobody does matter or down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7937">TS</a>]
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02:12:24 ◼ ► different you know and I don't think that they have to do all the services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7944">TS</a>]
02:12:28 ◼ ► themselves and in fact i think that that kind of thinking it it sort of is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7948">TS</a>]
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02:12:41 ◼ ► sense was that the institutionally they wanted to do everything and anybody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7961">TS</a>]
02:12:48 ◼ ► microsoft would say well they're making money on that let's go do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7968">TS</a>]
02:12:51 ◼ ► right beats them right so you know they they competed with oracle they competed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7971">TS</a>]
02:12:56 ◼ ► with Sun they compete I mean you name it they competed with them and they even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7976">TS</a>]
02:13:00 ◼ ► you know they want a lot of those fights right they did but it sometimes dirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7980">TS</a>]
02:13:05 ◼ ► sometimes parents but i think it may I think it let them take the eye off their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7985">TS</a>]
02:13:09 ◼ ► eye off the ball that they didn't have any you know I think trying to do it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7989">TS</a>]
02:13:12 ◼ ► is is inevitably going to lead to failure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7992">TS</a>]
02:13:15 ◼ ► so do you think that's where Apple's come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/7995">TS</a>]
02:13:20 ◼ ► no I don't think so but i think though that the mindset that they have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8000">TS</a>]
02:13:25 ◼ ► they have to be as good as Google at all services is maybe the wrong way to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8005">TS</a>]
02:13:29 ◼ ► at it because maybe they don't they just have to remain a appealing platform for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8009">TS</a>]
02:13:34 ◼ ► Google to make sure it remains a first class citizen and I don't see any signs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8014">TS</a>]
02:13:40 ◼ ► so what do you think about this Intel playoff kind of thing which seems like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8020">TS</a>]
02:13:49 ◼ ► word segue well let it remain this the company did let me take a break before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8029">TS</a>]
02:13:54 ◼ ► we talk that's a great way a great final topic let me take a third third brake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8034">TS</a>]
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02:14:14 ◼ ► it doesn't look like it's not like getting a printed photo on paper that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8054">TS</a>]
02:14:19 ◼ ► it looks different and it in a way that is better it looks it it's just uncanny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8059">TS</a>]
02:14:26 ◼ ► what it looks like it is super super nice you get a piece of glass your photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8066">TS</a>]
02:14:31 ◼ ► is printed directly on it they have all the sizes you could possibly imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8071">TS</a>]
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02:27:38 ◼ ► big boy pants and and commit to it at least i would say four months in advance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8858">TS</a>]
02:27:44 ◼ ► but at least 12 i think at least 12 but anyway they at least have like a year in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8864">TS</a>]
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02:27:56 ◼ ► between months and weeks there so I'm so they announced WWDC dates it's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8876">TS</a>]
02:28:03 ◼ ► when everybody thought it was better to 13 to 17 but a lot of people have noted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8883">TS</a>]
02:28:10 ◼ ► that the including me because I'm not buying it i didn't enter the lottery i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8890">TS</a>]
02:28:15 ◼ ► get meaning and it's always easy for me to say because every year for just at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8895">TS</a>]
02:28:19 ◼ ► least since 2007 I've got a press pass for the keynotes and in recent years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8899">TS</a>]
02:28:23 ◼ ► they've let the some of the people with press passes go to conference sessions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8903">TS</a>]
02:28:28 ◼ ► and stuff like that but so I didn't even enter the lottery because i don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8908">TS</a>]
02:28:32 ◼ ► to take the lottery spot from somebody who really really wants to go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8912">TS</a>]
02:28:35 ◼ ► doesn't have the privilege i do of getting a press pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8915">TS</a>]
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02:28:48 ◼ ► fine like i don't need a pass at love to be there but man types eaten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8928">TS</a>]
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02:29:01 ◼ ► San Francisco I've gotten more expensive and my thought was is because someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8941">TS</a>]
02:29:05 ◼ ► who goes to New York couple times a year i know that Manhattan famously and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8945">TS</a>]
02:29:09 ◼ ► to me rightfully so is you know that the greatest city in the world says in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8949">TS</a>]
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02:29:20 ◼ ► to me that Manhattan is the most expensive hotel city that I am familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8960">TS</a>]
02:29:24 ◼ ► with and off the top of my head it seems like not just for WWDC but the last few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8964">TS</a>]
02:29:29 ◼ ► times I've gone out you know for the last year so every time I go out for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8969">TS</a>]
02:29:32 ◼ ► apple event stay in san francisco it seems to me that like it's no longer a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8972">TS</a>]
02:29:37 ◼ ► case of bad luck like the one year the ipad event in the fall was coincident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8977">TS</a>]
02:29:43 ◼ ► with the thing was the e3 gaming conference it was somewhat the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8983">TS</a>]
02:29:48 ◼ ► gaming conference in san francisco i don't--that's III year what the name of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8988">TS</a>]
02:29:52 ◼ ► GTA GTA the game developers conference gcng is the Association because you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/8992">TS</a>]
02:30:00 ◼ ► a sensationally I mean just I've tens of thousands of attendees and it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9000">TS</a>]
02:30:06 ◼ ► holy cow did XP no note and it was held at moscone so it's all the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9006">TS</a>]
02:30:10 ◼ ► downtown hotels super sent but it's been a case for the last few years where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9010">TS</a>]
02:30:15 ◼ ► doesn't matter whether it's june or $MONTH march or September it's expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9015">TS</a>]
02:30:20 ◼ ► and then somebody pointed out to me on twitter that its attack Bloomberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9020">TS</a>]
02:30:24 ◼ ► actually did a report in San Francisco is now the most expensive hotel city in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9024">TS</a>]
02:30:28 ◼ ► the world and which exactly it's not just me wanting to get it a nice room at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9028">TS</a>]
02:30:35 ◼ ► a cheap rate it's actually like the truth it's more expensive than whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9035">TS</a>]
02:30:39 ◼ ► the city isn't Switzerland more expensive than New York crazy and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9039">TS</a>]
02:30:43 ◼ ► really puts a damper in the ability for us as a community to just say hey even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9043">TS</a>]
02:30:49 ◼ ► if you don't get a conference ticket or even a developer you should come out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9049">TS</a>]
02:30:52 ◼ ► San Francisco that week anyway because all of us will be there together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9052">TS</a>]
02:30:55 ◼ ► people can show up you know people get tickets to my live talk show people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9055">TS</a>]
02:31:01 ◼ ► you know talk in hotel lobbies and you make friends and make contacts and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9061">TS</a>]
02:31:07 ◼ ► schedule all sorts of other events but the the shirt cost of it now is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9067">TS</a>]
02:31:11 ◼ ► it's it's absolutely locking people out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9071">TS</a>]
02:31:15 ◼ ► I don't know what happened can do about that it's not apples fault it really ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9075">TS</a>]
02:31:19 ◼ ► know now it's and there's been some suggestion that they could do it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9079">TS</a>]
02:31:22 ◼ ► Vegas and I don't think that'll fly it doesn't want and you know me I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9082">TS</a>]
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02:31:34 ◼ ► and it's as a function of having tons of really high quality hotel rooms at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9094">TS</a>]
02:31:41 ◼ ► reasonable rates Vegas definitely has that I mean you get a for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9101">TS</a>]
02:31:45 ◼ ► four-and-a-half storeroom at vegas almost all the time for under two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9105">TS</a>]
02:31:49 ◼ ► hundred dollars a night in terms of having conference space there's a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9109">TS</a>]
02:31:53 ◼ ► of options i think they have I've never WBC is a little different than like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9113">TS</a>]
02:31:58 ◼ ► convention but you know there's a lot of places there and I know that the aria [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9118">TS</a>]
02:32:02 ◼ ► hotel is building a new one but I think it's for other reasons i think it's i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9122">TS</a>]
02:32:06 ◼ ► think it's off brand for apple and I don't think it works for them in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9126">TS</a>]
02:32:10 ◼ ► they have to move a lot of people and honestly love people just come up to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9130">TS</a>]
02:32:14 ◼ ► a lot Apple people come up because it's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9134">TS</a>]
02:32:19 ◼ ► yeah it is shuttle a lot of Apple people who are involved at WWDC and some degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9139">TS</a>]
02:32:24 ◼ ► or another a jit still are in cupertino during the week either some of the days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9144">TS</a>]
02:32:29 ◼ ► or every day maybe just in the morning and then you know get there one snake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9149">TS</a>]
02:32:32 ◼ ► yeah yeah okay I'll come in my lap right 13 there's an awful lot of cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9152">TS</a>]
02:32:37 ◼ ► shuttling forth from the south south of Valley up to San Francisco with apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9157">TS</a>]
02:32:41 ◼ ► employees and back and forth during wwcc whereas if they held it whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9161">TS</a>]
02:32:46 ◼ ► Vegas or any other city that required air travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9166">TS</a>]
02:32:50 ◼ ► it's everybody has to go and everybody has to stay there all week and it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9170">TS</a>]
02:32:55 ◼ ► different thing it has cost it adds commitment it adds disruption and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9175">TS</a>]
02:33:00 ◼ ► anytime you do air travel like that even if it's not change impacts serendipity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9180">TS</a>]
02:33:04 ◼ ► yeah yeah maybe I'll just gonna show up yeah well and it adds a day before and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9184">TS</a>]
02:33:09 ◼ ► after just not even talking teardown and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9189">TS</a>]
02:33:12 ◼ ► and stuff like that it just means you've got to go the day before and you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9192">TS</a>]
02:33:16 ◼ ► gotta leave the day after as opposed to if you're just driving an hour down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9196">TS</a>]
02:33:20 ◼ ► there you know it's it's a little different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9200">TS</a>]
02:33:22 ◼ ► yeah it won't leave a yeah I don't get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9202">TS</a>]
02:33:25 ◼ ► yeah it's like if they could find another option in the valley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9205">TS</a>]
02:33:28 ◼ ► maybe but you know it's it's like in the old days I never went to one in san jose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9208">TS</a>]
02:33:33 ◼ ► and I think the first WWDC I i went to it was already in San Francisco at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9213">TS</a>]
02:33:39 ◼ ► Moscone and went to a GC in san jose back in the old days but you and I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9219">TS</a>]
02:33:46 ◼ ► good yes you know I Chris you know your partner at with napkin at age 72 still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9226">TS</a>]
02:33:53 ◼ ► who you know I think he was probably adobe back then right yeah appreciate so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9233">TS</a>]
02:33:57 ◼ ► back when he was at Adobe admit that the the san jose you're a WWE sees Brent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9237">TS</a>]
02:34:03 ◼ ► Simmons had been to a san jose or at WTC everybody agrees it in terms of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9243">TS</a>]
02:34:11 ◼ ► the social aspects of it was terrible because San Jose like the light you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9251">TS</a>]
02:34:15 ◼ ► they turn out the lights at five o'clock in the afternoon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9255">TS</a>]
02:34:17 ◼ ► yeah and so you just lose all sorts of social serendipity that and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9257">TS</a>]
02:34:24 ◼ ► think it's big enough anymore i really don't know I know you can do it anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9264">TS</a>]
02:34:27 ◼ ► but i'll tell you think it might be open the other must grenade portions but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9267">TS</a>]
02:34:32 ◼ ► quite frankly though in the early years of daring fireball in the first at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9272">TS</a>]
02:34:37 ◼ ► five years that I went to WWDC I I wouldn't have been able to afford it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9277">TS</a>]
02:34:41 ◼ ► the hotel's works too expensive that as they are now no now I mean it i find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9281">TS</a>]
02:34:50 ◼ ► have seen now and it hurts to I i find that air trauma has gotten more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9290">TS</a>]
02:34:55 ◼ ► I don't know what the reason for that is but it may it may be specific to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9295">TS</a>]
02:34:59 ◼ ► philly the SFO route and that the way that the airline options out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9299">TS</a>]
02:35:04 ◼ ► Philadelphia have changed since then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9304">TS</a>]
02:35:06 ◼ ► maybe but I mean it's becoming like a five grand adventure is to one week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9306">TS</a>]
02:35:12 ◼ ► costs about five grand gets now at least it's it's it's really it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9312">TS</a>]
02:35:19 ◼ ► yeah it's it's not to be growing like right crash about it but I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9319">TS</a>]
02:35:25 ◼ ► for me that's like really like how do you spend that kind of money without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9325">TS</a>]
02:35:29 ◼ ► really thinking about is this with while to attend he you can go to like a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9329">TS</a>]
02:35:35 ◼ ► nice a really nice vacation resort somewhere for a lot more money than to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9335">TS</a>]
02:35:39 ◼ ► go there and have you know the some bum urinating on the sidewalk in front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9339">TS</a>]
02:35:46 ◼ ► yes I love San Francisco but let's face it it's not not a resort destination it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9346">TS</a>]
02:35:52 ◼ ► really crazy how expensive it is and I don't know what to do i add that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9352">TS</a>]
02:35:55 ◼ ► actually is a little concerned about that but on the other hand itself you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9355">TS</a>]
02:36:00 ◼ ► know it sells out so fast that they have to have a lottery the last time they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9360">TS</a>]
02:36:03 ◼ ► didn't have a lottery it literally literally sold out in under a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9363">TS</a>]
02:36:07 ◼ ► every single ticket for sale sold out in under a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9367">TS</a>]
02:36:11 ◼ ► I don't the last 1i got to you texted me at like 830 in the morning and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9371">TS</a>]
02:36:17 ◼ ► like I just pressed okay until I managed to buy it to get that was a couple years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9377">TS</a>]
02:36:23 ◼ ► ago yeah it was three years ago i think i think is dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9383">TS</a>]
02:36:27 ◼ ► this might be the second year of a lottery i think but so it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9387">TS</a>]
02:36:32 ◼ ► they're not they're gonna have trouble filling out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9392">TS</a>]
02:36:35 ◼ ► no no that's consumed and I think for the student scholarships i know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9395">TS</a>]
02:36:39 ◼ ► they announce this year that they're going to institute they're going to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9399">TS</a>]
02:36:42 ◼ ► travel plans are they gonna help with travel for some of the student [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9402">TS</a>]
02:36:46 ◼ ► scholarships to which I can also create i can only assume includes hotel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9406">TS</a>]
02:36:50 ◼ ► I mean whether it's free or whether it's just discount or just a relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9410">TS</a>]
02:36:54 ◼ ► little you know for the student disc you know students a relatively low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9414">TS</a>]
02:36:58 ◼ ► reasonable price that includes the hotel accommodations which is driven they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9418">TS</a>]
02:37:02 ◼ ► afford even half of what we've been saying yeah what park was like four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9422">TS</a>]
02:37:13 ◼ ► yeah but when I looked the other day online the mark 55 which is to me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9433">TS</a>]
02:37:17 ◼ ► baseline hotel in the neighborhood is 409 dollars a night which isn't it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9437">TS</a>]
02:37:24 ◼ ► just really is very 55 and I don't like those guys I do but I mean committed one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9444">TS</a>]
02:37:33 ◼ ► but tonight it's a fine hotel but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9453">TS</a>]
02:37:36 ◼ ► is I feel like somebody's getting bribed to have it redone the four-star list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9456">TS</a>]
02:37:40 ◼ ► instead of three-and-a-half store list right and it's you know it was always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9460">TS</a>]
02:37:45 ◼ ► like well it's not the best but a hundred eighty-nine dollars a night I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9465">TS</a>]
02:37:49 ◼ ► rather save I'd rather save the money and I mean and you can get a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9469">TS</a>]
02:37:52 ◼ ► hotel for 250 dollars a night back then but you think like we'll wait I'm coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9472">TS</a>]
02:37:57 ◼ ► out for six nights that's 15 and fee it's like almost 400 bucks it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9477">TS</a>]
02:38:02 ◼ ► foreigner box I'll state the part 55 and they feel but now that they've got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9482">TS</a>]
02:38:05 ◼ ► prices over three hundred dollars four hundred dollars it's like you've got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9485">TS</a>]
02:38:08 ◼ ► be kidding me four hundred dollars a night to stay in this place that looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9488">TS</a>]
02:38:11 ◼ ► like it came out of that did you remember the Intercontinental just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9491">TS</a>]
02:38:14 ◼ ► opened it was like 10 bucks a night kind of thank the parc 55 reminded but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9494">TS</a>]
02:38:20 ◼ ► seems to me like it was it's like the nicest hotel in east berlin during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9500">TS</a>]
02:38:25 ◼ ► Cold War is the and the grotesque caricatures yeah the brutalist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9505">TS</a>]
02:38:30 ◼ ► architecture and like the way that they think that this is this is what we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9510">TS</a>]
02:38:34 ◼ ► a nice hotel is like it was just crazy that's absolutely crazy and there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9514">TS</a>]
02:38:44 ◼ ► there's no more seats they used to be the other thing too is we've got you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9524">TS</a>]
02:38:47 ◼ ► know amongst our pals in their little clique of friends we have somebody would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9527">TS</a>]
02:38:51 ◼ ► figure out some way every year they they go to somebody would go through hotwire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9531">TS</a>]
02:38:55 ◼ ► priceline or something like that and now hey if you go through hotwire and search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9535">TS</a>]
02:38:59 ◼ ► for a hotel within one mile of this location there's there's a four-star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMz5_U/9539">TS</a>]
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