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00:13:18 ◼ ► could object but certainly morally great i mean i-i I don't know where this goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/798">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► what if Apple is compelled to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/807">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► what do they do well I I mean we know what's going to the supreme court either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/814">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► way I guess I I honestly don't know how stuff works you know its way through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/820">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► supreme court though in a case where the where the FBI might be saying you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/828">TS</a>]
00:13:53 ◼ ► time is of the essence you know we want to get this information while it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/833">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► you know there's no point to getting it they're not building a case one thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/838">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► note just in case anybody has forgotten the details of it they're not using this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/841">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► to build a criminal case against the San Bernardino shooters because because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/845">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► they're dead right so it's really just trying to find actionable intelligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/849">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► that might lead them to discover if they had if there was anybody else involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/854">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► if there's anybody else they know who you know they ought to be looking at who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/859">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► might be planning something in the future so it in that case it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/862">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► time is of the essence so i don't know i would guess it's going to though I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/868">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► that and then you know that I that the FBI obviously you know in the Justice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/873">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► Department has some sort of path to expedite you know a case to the Supreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/877">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► Court but aren't they using this more as a precedent so that they can say okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/882">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► you you can order to do this and by the way we have these other five phone said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/887">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► we needed done on right i think i think that this is all about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/892">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► president I think it's less I and again you can you accuse me of being cynical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/897">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► and maybe i'm wrong but it it seems to me from what I know of the case that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/902">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► to Center bernardino suspects didn't don't really seem like they were part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/906">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► you know a widespread terrorist group it wasn't like they were really part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/911">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► like al-qaeda or Isis or whatever you know other groups are out there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/918">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► they were just two cooks you know and you know mentally ill and and poisoned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/923">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► by it by this ideology but it was it doesn't really seem like they were any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/930">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► kind of masterminds I mean it wasn't really a very mean it was a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/934">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► tragedy but it really seemed a little bit more bitterly personal that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/937">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► went shot a place where they work and they had you know you know personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/941">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► beefs with the people who who shot it up so I I think logically that the FBI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/944">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► making a big cases isn't really about getting information that's going to save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/952">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► people you know that they really need it i think it's i think it's about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/956">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► president I mean and that once you've got what if they win this and they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/960">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► this they have a precedent that says we can come now we can use this president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/965">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► to compel tech companies not just to give this it give us information that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/970">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► they have access to but to force them to write software that gives us the access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/975">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► that we want to write I mean and it's all sorts of there's all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/982">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► implications that this brief if you take this president is as logical that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/986">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► sorts of things could happen could they compel Apple to re-engineer I message to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/990">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► 22 so that it's not end-to-end encrypted anymore right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/995">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► and II the the followed from this is endless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► so let's look at the other way would have a win i think that nothing I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► that's you know nothing bad happens I think I mean and I guess other than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► fact that you know it's possible that in the future case there would be one where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► there's information on a phone that law enforcement as and they can't get to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► and if they could it would be better for society but that's you know that's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► of situation is that that's the price of Liberty right like you can't take I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► don't think you can take the absolute I personally feel very strong you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► take the absolutist position that law enforcement should be able to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► anything and everything they want the elevator that the FBI wins and and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► Apple has to write the software and break into the phone but what's stopping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► people then just not using Apple's built-in things and using another form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► of happen and strong encryption right do they does the FBI then need to sue that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► company to open up right that's one of the reasons that I feel I honestly feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► that the FBI is being driven and part of this is really driven by the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► statements of like FBI director Comey and and others is that a large part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► this is I hate to say it because I'd like to think that we'd have better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► people in there but people who generally genuinely don't understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► technology right and they don't understand that you either either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► everybody has security through encryption or nobody does and that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► is no way to have security and again i add a couple of people of emphasizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► there's privacy angles on this but there's I i think the security angle is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► is more compelling and you know it's a little you know some of its conflated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► but it's you know what happens if somebody steals your phone are you leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► it in a cab and somebody gets it and it's it's not it and it's relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1135">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► easier there's some sort of known way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► to get to the contents of it well there's that's genuine security problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► given the information that a lot of us have on our phones but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► financial information you know and a personal information you know the photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► I it's definitely a security thing but I feel like that the the FBI clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► doesn't see this properly that they're looking that they there somehow looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► for some kind of magic solution but it would it would really like a law that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► that that crippled apples ability just pick one company but are any US company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► that but a US company to do not have secure encryption on these devices would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► really harm them in the worldwide market it truly would because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► it wouldn't keep people bad guys from having encryption it would only keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► them from having encryption out-of-the-box on a us-made device right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1194">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► isn't that what I mean that's more or less what you're saying right right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► and ok so the US government win says then every other government is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► come and say yeah wewe kind of want to look at this fellow's phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► absolutely and you know that there's this funny thing and who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► by the time the show airs maybe the times will have a separate story about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► it but there was this weird thing I link to yesterday where it was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► Edward Snowden was the one whose Twitter account and he's been all over this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► twitter for obvious reasons on but Edward Snowden noted a passage in a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► york times story on this that was about China and like within an hour that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► whole segment of the article was edited out of the new york times article it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► still isn't back but basically here's what it said I'll just read it this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► china is watching the dispute closely analyste the Chinese government does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► take cues from the United States when it comes to encryption regulations and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► it would most likely demand that multinational companies provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► accommodation similar to those in the United States last year beijing backed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► off several proposals that would have mandated that foreign firms provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► providing encryption keys for devices sold in China after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► heavy pressure from foreign trade groups a push from American law enforcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► agencies to unlock iphones would embolden Beijing to demand the same i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► think it's clear i mean China is just one country i mean why wouldn't every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► country right and then what is Apple's gonna need to open up a brand new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► company just to shoot with all of this stuff right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► I mean does does Apple give the software to the FBI in order to hack it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► themselves or does the FBI give the device to apple an apple doesn't believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► from what i read of this case that at FBI is offered either way that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► said whatever you want if you want to give us the software and have us do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► we'll do it if you want us to bring the device to you and do it your facilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► will do that they just want the code but it's a slippery so either way i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► I absolutely and I know that slippery slope arguments it it may be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► overused you know overall just in our debates about all sorts of stuff but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► think in this case it really is a slippery slope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► it isn't isn't the government's position that they just want this one device you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► know that's all we want we just want this one device but once that's done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► there's no turning back right because that's how the law works you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► you know one case sets precedent for future cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► yeah which is why Apple has to take a stand on this one and you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► why I think what what the government did in choosing this case was so strategic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► for yeah i think and again it's you know the basic just about it with you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► you really want to talk about good guys and bad guys is that even reasonably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► smart and well-organized bad guys are going to use their own encryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:13 ◼ ► software not that necessary that they wrote but that they're going to do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1393">TS</a>]
00:23:17 ◼ ► know it's obviously is out there and and the u.s. can't stop the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1397">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► world from writing good secure encryption software right um that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► third-party software if the first party software can and maybe for reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:33 ◼ ► reasons maybe the smart ones already don't trust anything written by Apple or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1413">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► Google or would you know any other US company and they're already doing it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► the dumb bad guys with their dollars right so why do you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► why do you need to make everybody software insecure do your job right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► its it and I guess part of it is that there's an entitlement as in the u.s. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► like law enforcement gets so in the u.s. is in such a privileged position in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► terms of what they get in the way that they're you know they have access to so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:12 ◼ ► much but that they there's a sense of entitlement that not only should they be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► able to get stuff but they should be able to get whatever they want easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► and there is you know that's not necessarily the case if the truth is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► that its it really really mathematically difficult or we even to the point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► calling impossible to break the encryption on the device well tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► noogies you know I mean you've got that's you know you guys have a tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► I mean I'm not saying that a glibly and I realized that mistakes can be high in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► a you know a criminal case or in an investigation but that's just the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► is it's really it's not that different than arguing a and I go these analogies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► sometimes to the real world can get can get difficult but it's like sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► people will say you know what why would you feel if if somebody kidnapped a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► family member and the police knew where they were but they couldn't break down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► that's a rough and it's a tough analogy because i don't think there exists like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► a door that the police can't break into right but that sort but like what if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► could make one what if what if it somebody invents at adore you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► build a house that that the police can't break into would that be illegal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► not with that there's no law against it now you have to pass a law specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► just that the math is such that we've been able to make virtual locks through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► encryption that are actually unbreakable and the government of all organizations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► tells us to be safe and tells us to you know not necessarily encrypt everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► but do everything that you can to to protect yourself in your identity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► and protect all this stuff but as soon as they make it back door then the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► door is there for everybody and and I don't know what they don't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► about that i mean you mentioned it earlier about these people not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► understanding the technology but do they not care that they're making a backdoor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► or do they really not understand that once the back door is there it's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► well I'll just out to pick and iÃve mentioned Trump before our pics on from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► the other side but I've listened to Hillary Clinton talked about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1591">TS</a>]
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00:27:07 ◼ ► that it could happen so doesn't the government have enough smart people of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► their own that are telling them this is impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1633">TS</a>]
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00:27:26 ◼ ► ranks that they're you know they're its treated as well that's your argument you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► know here's our argument we want the information and it seems to be kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► you know they've got the blinders on and they can see beyond apple is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1659">TS</a>]
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00:27:48 ◼ ► I'm this all fits with something and i think apple is not surprised by this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► think Apple as I don't you know I know a couple of these articles have have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► really put this as a linchpin of of the Tim Cook era at apple and i'm not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► sure how much that has to do with the difference between Tim Cook and steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► jobs and how much it has to do with just the timing of you know when Jobs got ill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► enough to step down and and cook took over but you know which is when this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► issue became hot you know that that you know it it just coincides you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► the transition from from jobs to cook coincides with when this you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► cell phones as objects of desire from law enforcement really heated up but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► gist of it is I heard this years ago from a couple people at Apple was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► the edict came down from the top from tim cook on down that anything new that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1719">TS</a>]
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00:28:59 ◼ ► other and that and that anything we already have existing systems that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► don't comply with that they need to be identified and we need to rewrite them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► in a way that that you know protect the data so that we even we can't do it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► that that's the only way that you know we can have joined and purpose of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► isn't up to obstruct law enforcement it's that if we don't take that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► philosophy that even we can't get the data then it's not really safe right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1766">TS</a>]
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00:29:51 ◼ ► the fact that other companies have cooperated in the past because they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1791">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► you know so yeah one of the things and another one i know i mentioned earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1800">TS</a>]
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00:30:11 ◼ ► and the FBI comes to apple says we'd like to see Jim Dalrymple's iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1811">TS</a>]
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00:30:26 ◼ ► other question I have this week and it gets back to your original question of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► why is it Apple that's that's in this fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► how come we never hear about their they're not you i get none of them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► US companies accept other than Microsoft luton but like we never hear about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► Samsung or LG or any of these other companies like what do they do when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► why is this why is this not in the news at all like what happens is it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► that it's it it is it just one of those things where Apple gets headlines and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► people only write about it when it's apple in the iphone or is it is android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1858">TS</a>]
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00:31:07 ◼ ► passcode that there's some way that they can get the information they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► I I don't understand why nobody's writing about that and I don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► you know I don't have the perspective of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► well they're there must be some requests from the government to google for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► oh definitely um and the thing about google but that's that's online content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► and who knows maybe it's because if you use an android phone e everybody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1893">TS</a>]
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00:31:46 ◼ ► have anything though because there's things like text messages right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► Android users send a lot of SMS text messages they don't go through google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► right so if the FBI wants to see those they need to get them off the phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1913">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► I can't help but think that they would want to still want to access the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1920">TS</a>]
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00:32:09 ◼ ► google I mean there must be some percentage but is it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1929">TS</a>]
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00:32:16 ◼ ► but maybe as as we know from on the the things that we see maybe android is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► so four holes that the FBI can hack it themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► yeah that's why add at that sort of what I'm hinting at you know iOS is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► secure operating system and a lot of it because apple doesn't really care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► your data they care about your security in your privacy and you know I'm trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► not to be too you know Fanny here but I i believe that to be true and we we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► seen the mall where and and things that can infect android phone so what's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► mean I tend to think that the FBI just sat down with some with smart people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► said Jack this thing and then they can I yeah I don't know let me take a break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/1991">TS</a>]
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00:35:59 ◼ ► well I don't is there more to say about the FBI Apple case at the moment maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► I i do you believe what the FBI says and do you believe what apple says I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► what apple says and I think they're very careful i think they are in it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► hallmark of Tim Cook is is a an end i would say without question the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► difference between cook and jobs is that jobs would with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► fly off the handle and you know just a small example but remember in 2007 when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► it was people first iphone came out people how can we can write native apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► and he was he said I you don't you know you're bad you write a bad native apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► bring down the whole west coast phone network now I there's an argument to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2212">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► made that did you know like what if it was a super popular app like Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► and what if there was a terrible bug that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► you no-good kept the data connection on full-time if the app is installed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► there's some you know it's not it's completely dead but it wasn't a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► answer but that's jobs right where's Tim Cook Tim Cook is is so he's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► surgeon with every word out of his mouth in public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► yes and I do i believe that i don't think there's anything that Apple said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► at least an open letter that I even raised an eyebrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► me neither I mean the only thing that I think is up for debate is whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► qualifies as a back door and the only reason i'd say that and Tim Cook says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► you know and even admit it says in the letter the FBI is using different words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► i call it a back door but he's even acknowledging he's he's careful enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► and fair enough that even acknowledges that there's a debate over whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► backdoors the right word and I think that argument that it's not a backdoor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► is that a backdoor maybe you could argue is something that Apple ships to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► everybody and it's in in the phone that you buy from apple it's already there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► you know that it that this is something that the FBI and that's not what the FBI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► is asking for their not asking the FBI is not asking Apple to to push at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► software update to every iphone out in the world that would let them bypass the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► passcode they're saying do this just one but you know given the videos at Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► Cook said I believe him get with the FBI i don't know i think i think one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► argument a couple people made including john mcafee come on the show ends right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► come on come on you don't it's either the FBI is lying and they have hackers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► on their staff who could break in to get this passcode right now or they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► incompetent because they should be able to like why can't they go to write down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► the street to the NSA and and have this thing unlocked and I find it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► difficult to believe that the NSA couldn't do this and that if it was if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► this one phone really was that important that they would do that and i find that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► disingenuous that's and it's also what makes me think it's about the legal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► precedent not the actual information on the San Bernardino suspects phone so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► you think that the NSA could hack this iphone on their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► I don't have any reason to believe that are not that i have reasonably but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► don't have proof i can't prove that for the obvious reason that you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► the NSA keeps everything all of their capabilities secret but if I had to bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► all i would bet heavily that the NSA if you could could access the information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► on this first so why bother going through all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► why not just going to get the president but what does the president actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► well I think because going forward in the future there they're concerned about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► the ever-escalating security of these phones and I guess that's one area where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► we could talk about where you know what is one of the aspects of this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► whatever happens to apple in the courts on this case I think it's only going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► motivate them to further cleverly design the encryption mechanisms on the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► to make it impossible in the future to even comply with a request like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► so here's something we don't know and it's a little technical and hopefully i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► will keep this straight enough that i'm going to be accurate but the phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► in this case is an iphone 5c the San Bernardino phone and 5c is before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► secure Enclave and before touch ID and that makes it a simpler case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► cryptographically to to get we're starting with the iphone 5s and going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► forward the phones iPhones with the touch ID and the secure Enclave now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► touch idea sort of irrelevant but it's the phones that have touch ID that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► the secure Enclave they use the secure Enclave in the path of encryption to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► enforce it and so one of the things that limits the rate of so mathematically and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:24 ◼ ► you don't really have to i even i really i have a computer science degree and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2484">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► did really well in math and I really this stuff really boggles my mind I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► could but basically one of the keys used to encrypt the data on the phone is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► the secure Enclave and so as you know the the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► iOS verifies that the passcode is correct it goes through the secure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► Enclave in this year secure Enclave adds its key and there's no way to get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► key from iOS it just says okay secure Enclave here's the pass code that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► sent now output of that you give me the thing that lets me decrypted and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2515">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► the secure Enclave that in forces this 80 millisecond time between brute-force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► attempts which isn't that long except that if you want to do millions of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► to get like a six digit passcode 80 milliseconds means it takes a lot longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► to go through all of them than it would otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► and if you use an alphanumeric password captive if you're really concerned about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► security in your phone and you use letters and numbers on the passcode it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► really does make it the 80 milliseconds attempt between decryption attempts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► really does make it timewise impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► can Apple be forced to put like a flash update on the secure Enclave tote to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► eliminate the 80 millisecond time between attempts and I think Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► hasn't said publicly but reading between the lines I think the answer right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► might be yes and what somebody said was that for example like the iphone 5s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► shipped with the secure Enclave and it didn't have that 80 milliseconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► enforcement between attempts and a software update later on added it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► so if they can add something like that to secure Enclave they can obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► the question is and I don't know that Apple's I don't think they want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► his kid knows flash updates to the secure Enclave today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► can they happen while the phone is locked because that's you know the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► point is if the phone is already locked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► maybe they can't flash update the secure Enclave to change the passcode right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► it's a catch-22 but if you can that might be something that Apple is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► strongly looking at the future to say well now we're going to engineer we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► going to have you know Johnny's Guruji's team engineer and secure Enclave where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► this 80 milliseconds attempt between passcode attempts is hardwired into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► silicon and there's nothing we can do about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► I and it's got to be other things that they're looking at going forward like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► don't think we are at the end of apples how we secure your data on the phone i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► think the every single year I in the last five years that the system has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► gotten more clever and more completely sealed up so that even Apple can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► what if what if Apple so did they they lose this case and they say okay we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► give you this information but then they lock up the next operating system even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► tighter so that there is no possible way I don't even know if that's possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► no I think it has to be though I definitely think it's possible to lock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► tighter i think that that they could you know create it definitely create a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► system where the the the the flash beam of the rom whatever you want to call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2695">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► the code that runs on the the secure enclosure where it can't be can't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► updated while the phone is locked i think that's definitely technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► technically possible i mean i could be wrong but I think it is so what does the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► government do then does it go to court and say you can't make your OS any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► stronger I and right and at that point I you know I guess they could try to pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► the law but and they really do start running up against issues like a that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► would cripple us tech companies competitively worldwide absolutely would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► be the crippling I mean who would want the US tech product if if they knew that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► by mandated by US law that it had to be you know insecure and be i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► there's a very strong constitutional argument that that's a violation of free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► speech you know that that code is speech and saying you can't write code that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2755">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► that does this is you know it's more or less saying that this you know this form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► oh what a case i really do think it comes down to a sense of entitlement on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► law enforcement that they feel like any any information that exists they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► be able to access and they they're unwilling to wrap their heads around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► idea that there's that were coming to a point where there will exist information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► in the universe that they simply can't get I mean that i keep thinking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► again this isn't really a legal arguments to sort of a philosophical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► argument but they've never had a right to the information in your head and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► fact the US Constitution US Constitution as the the Fifth Amendment which means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► that you have a right not to incriminate yourself and so the you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► invoke it that you know even if you committed a crime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► you cannot be forced to admit it in court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► in some sense again this is not speaking legally but philosophically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► information on your phone is in some way an extension of what's in your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► right like the pictures you've taken our things you've seen that you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► remember the notes you've written yourself or your your notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► ah I just don't think it's that outlandish philosophically that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► could have a phone that is so securely encrypted that if if law enforcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► takes it that they can't access it any more so than that they don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► right to go read your mind or force you to to testify against yourself how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► I don't know I can't help but think it's I this particular case who knows but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► feel like the the argument isn't going to stop like even if this case gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► resolved some how quickly it's the next one coming is is is going to be the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► i I'm believe that this will go all the way to the Supreme Court because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► think either side we'll just let it fall but if they lose if the government loses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► this case will they try a different tactic mean is there another legal way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► for them to say okay well we argued that this last time but now we are doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► I mean is this going to go on forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► I I i don't know i mean it may be you know i mean one thing we didn't mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► is that the that the the the foundation of the FBI's request and the judge that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► the judge granted against apple is based on a the all writs Act of 1789 right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► yeah it's so basing this on a law from 1789 would suggest that the law really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► didn't have encrypted cell phones in mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► so how long lost or damaged it so that two of the things that I've taken away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► this week is that one if if the FBI wins this sort of grants them under this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► president that says we can get whatever we you know we can use this ancient law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► to get whatever we want and we have this very powerful ability to force tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► companies to help us you know by writing new code and and stuff like that so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► would be good for the FBI from their perspective I don't think that's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► public policy I think that's terrible but from the law enforcement perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► that would be they would see that as a win and I think if they lose this is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► I almost feel like the FBI might see this as a no-lose situation is if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► lose then they go to Congress and say look the law on the book we just tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► it we have to you know they go to they go to the Congress and they say we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► to be able to get this stuff to keep people safe from these crazy terrorists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/2994">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► that's very compelling to a lot of politicians who either believe it or be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► cowardly you know it just don't want to be seen in on the wrong side of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► terrorism right of beings quote-unquote strong against terrorism and they go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► Congress and say look we just fried with this law that's on the books and it we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► lost so we need you to pass a new law that says blah about you know encryption [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► and and stuff like that and i think the only good solution for us publicly would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► be if if that fails to but I feel like the FBI might suspect that they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► that the support on in Congress to do that here's a question for you i wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► to ask before we move off it is this does being a Canadian give you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► different perspective on this because I feel like Americans are often too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► insular and we see these things as us only issues and just simply being on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► other side of the us-canadian border does it give you a different perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► you know it's we we don't really have a lot of things like this that would come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► up you know I I can't see the canadian government suing apple you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► it's just not something that doesn't give did you have a sense that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► have liked him but implicit trust of the US Department of Justice I know I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► don't think it's I don't think it's that I think we're more or more trusting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► then what you guys are of your government we may not likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► you know our government will put in new taxes which they do all the time and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► just allen bosh turning that's awful but you know we paid that's fine you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► where you guys me Brian like no no you're not gonna do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► the thing I keep thinking about too is just that it the stuff is all so new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► it's only 20 25 years that anybody really you know public you know typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► people had access to computers and computer networking and law enforcement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► work just fine before that it's just it's not like everything that they used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► to be able to do before their cell phones that they night they can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► anymore it's just new information and new a new source of evidence that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► they have had access to but if they don't have access to it if they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► get anything they want off an iphone that has a strong passcode on it i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► think that that means that law enforcement can't do its job well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:49 ◼ ► then but the difference between then and now is that then the bad guys weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3169">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► using cell phones either so there were they were recording information in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► different ways that that the government could have access to what you know so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► they're if they're now using the cell phones to record all of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► information and the government can access that then that you know there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuwupdHU/3191">TS</a>]
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