The Talk Show

141: ‘“Star Wars: The Force Awakens” Holiday Spectacular’, With Special Guests Guy English, Amy Jane Gruber, and More


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00:00:19   well just like last year we have a cavalcade of special guests for this [TS]

00:00:25   episode winding up they will come on in a series of of entrances last year we [TS]

00:00:31   end up going over time and and John syracuse it did not make it onto the [TS]

00:00:35   show so we will [TS]

00:00:37   he's lined up he's ready to go we'll try to get him on we've also got a we've [TS]

00:00:42   also got Ben Thompson and Marco Arment lined up right now though it's just me [TS]

00:00:48   and guy English yeah i'm a huge fan of bender man he is he's amazing [TS]

00:00:55   am I allowed to talk and my wife Amy groupers here to talk about star wars [TS]

00:01:01   the force awakens now they're yeah I don't know what's wrong with people [TS]

00:01:06   there are so many people who have already been like seven podcast talking [TS]

00:01:11   about this thing have you guy have you talked about this on a podcast yet i [TS]

00:01:15   have not know that was my second thank you i guess that no i haven't actually a [TS]

00:01:22   i wanted to because it turns out like this movie i'm so excited to talk about [TS]

00:01:29   it because you know everybody is so anti spoiler so I've just really been ranting [TS]

00:01:34   at my family about so I would i but there is one thing right like don't [TS]

00:01:39   spoil it on Twitter but I mean if you're gonna listen to a podcast you know right [TS]

00:01:43   so let's just get out of the way though that this podcast is going to be [TS]

00:01:47   incredibly spoiler tastic yeah so if you haven't seen it yet and you don't want [TS]

00:01:52   it spoiled it hit pause in your podcast player go down to your local multiplex [TS]

00:01:57   see the movie and then when you come out hit it on pause and honestly get your IQ [TS]

00:02:04   tested because it's called the star worst christmas spectacular and if [TS]

00:02:08   you're not expecting spoilers you might be stupid [TS]

00:02:14   so first things first here's my question free for both of you [TS]

00:02:18   I don't know who wants to answer first but did you like the movie [TS]

00:02:23   no yume no I did maybe you didn't like the movie [TS]

00:02:27   no I had had had some real problems i know i like yeah that's right i have [TS]

00:02:34   talked to you about how i feel bad for looking made you said yeah yeah like I [TS]

00:02:40   was loving it [TS]

00:02:42   I was absolutely loving it and I was like wow I'm actually gonna go see this [TS]

00:02:46   again tomorrow [TS]

00:02:47   like I was super super into it but I had no idea what was gonna happen and i had [TS]

00:02:52   given it absolutely no thought was going to happen and then when it happened I [TS]

00:02:57   got so sad that i cried in the movie theater [TS]

00:03:00   yeah but how did you like this i thought it was a good film [TS]

00:03:07   I left it I mean locate this you know to some flaws as a movie but I as a modern [TS]

00:03:17   myth be told i love it and i think it's great i loved i don't think that outcome [TS]

00:03:22   that you're talking about could have gotten any of the way I think it had to [TS]

00:03:25   happen [TS]

00:03:25   oh I didn't expect that to happen since 1983 need to be on like that you can get [TS]

00:03:35   angry so it took us a space so to be clear let's just get it over with what [TS]

00:03:40   we're talking about is when Han Solo died and it was a turning turning point [TS]

00:03:45   for Amy in the mood [TS]

00:03:47   sure can you guys have drinks and maybe . maybe don't have a drink i don't know [TS]

00:03:53   but i don't i don't know you know what I i got day drunk the next day because I [TS]

00:03:59   woke up I was like why am I so sad and then I remembered why i was so sad and [TS]

00:04:04   it was terrible [TS]

00:04:06   oh that's beautiful i was so sad and everybody like everybody around me was [TS]

00:04:12   so excited and like Jonas was loving the movie and Jonas is stupid he turned to [TS]

00:04:16   me he's like he's not really dead and i was like no way he's so dead like he got [TS]

00:04:21   stabbed and then he fell off a dangerous catwalk and then he got blown up they [TS]

00:04:25   like itchy and scratchy voted [TS]

00:04:28   nobody like yeah I think you could your dad like they did not leave any avenues [TS]

00:04:34   open for him to not be dead lightsaber through the chest fell off a catwalk [TS]

00:04:40   into what looked like some kind of fiery pit so it was both fall and some kind of [TS]

00:04:46   it [TS]

00:04:47   finally finally actor driven by the power of the Sun right which then [TS]

00:04:51   explode loaded highlight I don't stop with these dangerous catwalks why don't [TS]

00:04:56   they have railings so much he would still be dead Amy would still be dead i [TS]

00:05:01   don't i don't know they could patch him up maybe like if you have fallen [TS]

00:05:06   I really love your devotion to Anna Salai think that's awesome [TS]

00:05:14   I help i wanted to be Hansel growing up and I I'd love the way he went out okay [TS]

00:05:21   oh hello the way he when I was so stupid that stupid would see kid that was [TS]

00:05:26   horrible and his kid was horrible like it made me so mad that he okayed was so [TS]

00:05:30   horrible and we'll see such a big gonna be and then he gets to kill Han Solo [TS]

00:05:35   like that's and I wasn't even invested in this you didn't care about him and [TS]

00:05:40   solo shot and killed him and solo and soul elected to be killed his choice [TS]

00:05:47   back in color n is such a weenie he didn't move off the bridge like he might [TS]

00:05:52   eat he stood his ground and three walked towards him [TS]

00:05:57   so you get bacon if he chose to like if he loves this kids so much he just chose [TS]

00:06:03   to saddle him with having killed his father [TS]

00:06:07   that makes no sense no I think he thought I think that later told him if [TS]

00:06:14   you see our son bring him home so he's not home and handle is dead so he did [TS]

00:06:21   you think she well I think it had sold us the kind of guy that he's I think [TS]

00:06:27   he's disappointedly for the last time and he's he's going to try to make sure [TS]

00:06:31   that kid gets on [TS]

00:06:32   how he's dead I'm so angry I know you didn't know exactly how the conversation [TS]

00:06:39   was gonna go but at the end it was like well you can either cut me down in anger [TS]

00:06:44   like me what I'm gonna pull up my blaster and try to shoot you in the face [TS]

00:06:48   can't do that i can run away can't do that or you know we can go with this [TS]

00:06:55   thing where you kill me and I help you and then they're at least there's like a [TS]

00:07:01   glimmer of light in him still like I really ate my dad he's such a jerk but [TS]

00:07:07   he totally help me turn to the darkside advice I don't I can't really make a [TS]

00:07:13   rational argument for it because i have never been there but like i said if he [TS]

00:07:17   turns like even if then he becomes good i hope we never see his dumb ass again i [TS]

00:07:22   hate him but even if he turns he's saddled with having killed his father [TS]

00:07:27   like how do you go home to your mother and say like hey I'm done with this dark [TS]

00:07:30   side crab but sorry I killed dad like that's not helping [TS]

00:07:34   this isn't helping like it's not helping I don't think it does i don't think it [TS]

00:07:39   does it made no sense it made absolutely no sense and who like I was loving this [TS]

00:07:44   movie and I was like JJ Abrams like you could tell he's fan and he totally got [TS]

00:07:48   it and I felt like there are a whole bunch of like corny like Star Wars type [TS]

00:07:52   jokes for the corny but they're funny and then he killed Han Solo and I turned [TS]

00:07:58   I was like who the fuck does he think he is killing time so like you don't get to [TS]

00:08:02   just get this and then kill my childhood hero [TS]

00:08:05   I was so mad oh I'm i'm getting at again it's ok you can but let's back I could [TS]

00:08:15   like it I can really take it ok it that you i know i know but don't care of [TS]

00:08:19   yellow it's it it's an interesting decision know and and I feel like and [TS]

00:08:24   I've in it if there's a spoiler that I knew going into the movie that colored [TS]

00:08:32   my viewing of it the first time it's it's an old spoiler it's it's from [TS]

00:08:38   knowing from when I was a kid in 1983 that in in interviews about return of [TS]

00:08:43   the jedi that Harrison Ford [TS]

00:08:45   publicly said that he had petitioned George Lucas to have Han Solo killed off [TS]

00:08:50   and that he he argued that it would give the movie i think he called it like [TS]

00:08:55   gravity or something wait but you know that it would go with it would give like [TS]

00:09:00   a bittersweet feeling to the end of the movie instead of everybody you know [TS]

00:09:03   kumbaya you know singing with the Ewoks that it would be like yeah we you know [TS]

00:09:07   we beat them and we killed the Emperor but you know Han Solo's dead and that he [TS]

00:09:13   you know and then it you know it's kind of ugly stuff but he did that he [TS]

00:09:17   publicly said that he you know that that he thinks George Lucas didn't want to do [TS]

00:09:20   that because it would sell fewer toys that you wouldn't sell a lot of dead han [TS]

00:09:23   solo action figures it's just like hothead young kid just getting Fame talk [TS]

00:09:29   you know what I mean like don't know what is Han Solo like there's so much [TS]

00:09:34   and like he died I don't let you know if he's asked if you just say would you [TS]

00:09:38   know I don't think so but I'd really do think that like if if Harrison Ford had [TS]

00:09:43   said to you know JJ Abrams in the Disney people than the Lucasfilm people i I'm [TS]

00:09:48   in it [TS]

00:09:49   I I you know sign me up for three movies i'll be in all 3i I think that they [TS]

00:09:54   would have you know and i think they're not stupid i think they know everybody [TS]

00:09:57   loves Han Solo I think they would have put him in all three [TS]

00:10:00   I think the fact that he got killed is the fact that it's largely colored they [TS]

00:10:04   wrote the story to put that in the story because Harrison Ford said alright I'll [TS]

00:10:08   do one and you gotta give me a lot of money and I think it's kind of it's an [TS]

00:10:13   interesting thing that it's like the actors decision to to color the Ark of [TS]

00:10:17   the whole story [TS]

00:10:18   Amy I don't really care what Harrison Ford one you've taken on this [TS]

00:10:28   responsibility and apparently everyone knew that he was going to die i did not [TS]

00:10:32   know he was going to die I remember that like in the eighties that he nobody was [TS]

00:10:37   all swagger II and like all that you know they should kill me or whatever and [TS]

00:10:40   I don't want to do it anymore but they all said that they all came back I just [TS]

00:10:44   i'll never see another JJ Abrams movie again he killed on solo and I globes are [TS]

00:10:51   in the movie I screamed why didn't they kill Chewbacca because I felt like then [TS]

00:10:56   you could have a two-backer you cannot [TS]

00:10:58   shoot you can't shoot too but just so seriously you're fine with Han Solo but [TS]

00:11:04   Shabaka crosses your line [TS]

00:11:06   oh my no no no no what I'm saying is Chewbacca got shot early [TS]

00:11:11   well I wish you wouldn't and I was like whoa that like the stakes are raised to [TS]

00:11:15   this point like I just think on the table if they would have killed him at [TS]

00:11:20   the shoulder killed like a a character and then he could have had the hey I [TS]

00:11:24   killed major star wars character and gotten that but not really somebody i [TS]

00:11:29   mean i'd be like Chewbacca but I wouldn't be heartbroken I wouldn't bday [TS]

00:11:33   drunk the next day but I will also say it's only just just to be clear and put [TS]

00:11:40   this on the public record we we went to see the movie on opening night which was [TS]

00:11:44   thursday night and we already had tickets for a saturday matinee so we [TS]

00:11:51   didn't go back the next day but because i was the school day you know I thought [TS]

00:11:54   it was enough that we kept the kid up 21 am watching the movie but then saturday [TS]

00:12:00   afternoon we had already bought tickets three tickets a media did not attend she [TS]

00:12:06   would not she would not see you again I couldn't watch it again i couldn't i [TS]

00:12:10   really couldn't watch again like and jon was like come on i was like i'm just too [TS]

00:12:13   sad i'm not ready [TS]

00:12:15   like I think maybe in a week or 2i might be able to go see and i would like to [TS]

00:12:18   see it again but I'm worried that it'll break my heart again [TS]

00:12:21   i mean i-i couldn't take it i really couldn't take it i love that it affected [TS]

00:12:28   you that he didn't really do that mean I don't want you to be a sad obviously you [TS]

00:12:32   know that don't need to be unhappy but the fact that it hit you is kind of why [TS]

00:12:38   they did it right [TS]

00:12:39   it's the yeah but I felt like okay like this story is kind of a tangent but when [TS]

00:12:44   i was little you know the wizard of oz used to come on once a year and [TS]

00:12:49   everybody would watch it like it'd be a big event because you know you can watch [TS]

00:12:52   when i was little you can watch movies over and over again so you like to see [TS]

00:12:55   the Wizard of Oz like once a year at Easter they would show it on TV and was [TS]

00:12:59   a big deal and I just remember like 10 15 members of my family were watching it [TS]

00:13:03   and I'm like four years old and I really liked the bad witch [TS]

00:13:07   oh they're my best of wizard of oz spoiler so if you're sensitive [TS]

00:13:12   oh yeah man but when she met like when the war when she melts everybody in my [TS]

00:13:19   family was like yeah you know ding dong the witch is dead and i really loved her [TS]

00:13:23   and I started to cry and then they all kind of was they were laughing at me for [TS]

00:13:28   crying and I was like I hate you like my mother still reenact the scene like I [TS]

00:13:33   was like I hate you all your old dump dump dump and I ran away like I was so [TS]

00:13:37   mad that they were happy that she died and that's how I felt when Han Solo died [TS]

00:13:42   like people were still in like after the movie people were clapping and screaming [TS]

00:13:45   and he's like you assholes on solos that like I couldn't even enjoy it and I [TS]

00:13:50   couldn't believe anyone liked it and that no one else was a sad as I was like [TS]

00:13:54   I really had to like hang my head I was visibly crying she really was she was [TS]

00:13:59   very upset but i would i would argue with you said guy that it it just shows [TS]

00:14:05   that it was it was effective as a as a you know a death that actually meant [TS]

00:14:11   something [TS]

00:14:13   yeah as so I mean there's two things two things that I like and then there's [TS]

00:14:17   things that i think would good like you don't know I got wind of well-rendered [TS]

00:14:26   art yeah let's [TS]

00:14:27   I can be offended by something that I feel as well rendered art or I could be [TS]

00:14:31   hurt by it emotionally and I can be incredibly said that you know on solo [TS]

00:14:37   killed that doesn't mean that I don't think it's an effective piece you know [TS]

00:14:42   like so you know you're right but I'm like a Neanderthal I'm capable one [TS]

00:14:48   emotion know i love it i love don't but division of the visceral pneus is like [TS]

00:14:52   exactly why they did it [TS]

00:14:53   it's for that reaction like it everybody had I had that was like I saw coming a [TS]

00:14:58   mile away and I was like oh god this is the second time i saw the movie at the [TS]

00:15:05   woman sitting next me screamed and then it was incredibly destroyed for the rest [TS]

00:15:12   of the movie like almost distractingly so like I wish you'd gotten her number [TS]

00:15:15   I'd like to go see it with her [TS]

00:15:17   I know yeah i was like i wanted to remind me for friend of mine [TS]

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00:17:43   alright let's start at the beginning [TS]

00:17:46   here's the thing i went in and i couldn't shut up about it [TS]

00:17:52   okay well this was the first Star Wars movie that wasn't from 22 yeah let's [TS]

00:17:58   talk about the actual movie event you have writing instead of the one part of [TS]

00:18:01   the part yeah enjoy if i did enjoy parts i but I i think what i love you like [TS]

00:18:07   they should just throw a bunch of money at them so we can get the fanfare yeah I [TS]

00:18:11   feel like and use the fanfare that would I don't know how they could have done it [TS]

00:18:15   if they could have just had the sound but not the you know obviously wouldn't [TS]

00:18:19   say 20th century fox but I when I hear any other 20th century fox movie when I [TS]

00:18:26   hear they're fanfare I i immediately think this is gonna be a star wars movie [TS]

00:18:32   i hear the star wars coming in after the 20th century fox and so my question [TS]

00:18:37   going into the movie is what are they gonna do I are they going to put the [TS]

00:18:41   Disney Magic Kingdom castle thing up and I did nothing [TS]

00:18:46   they did and what they ended up doing is they put nothing at the beginning of the [TS]

00:18:49   movie and it just started you know that so that the fanfare the 20th Century Fox [TS]

00:18:53   fanfare came back because Lucas wanted it in 77 it did retired it and he [TS]

00:18:59   brought it back because he liked it so much [TS]

00:19:02   right and that star wars was supposed to sort of harken back to like the golden [TS]

00:19:06   example of you know seriously happen so he resurrected it and it means more or [TS]

00:19:12   less stuck ever since and it could just scream Star Wars to me like that like [TS]

00:19:19   when you hear that [TS]

00:19:20   that sounds in that fanfare and you hear that you see the individual I I you know [TS]

00:19:26   I'm sitting down for a Star Wars movie [TS]

00:19:28   I even the bad ones even the bad ones at it yeah I even I I i heard a story once [TS]

00:19:36   that I don't know it's true could be apocryphal [TS]

00:19:38   but I heard that John Williams wrote the the opening notes of Star Wars knowing [TS]

00:19:44   that they would come after that fanfare and if in fact didn't-didn't John [TS]

00:19:48   Williams rerecord the fanfare so they have a high-fidelity version of it was [TS]

00:19:52   like meant to come after you know first the fanfare then a pause then the star [TS]

00:19:58   wars then kicks in i don't know i would totally believe it it's just so perfect [TS]

00:20:03   and I'm like I'm not sure if it's like is it perfect because I loved it so much [TS]

00:20:09   or you know is it actually arranged in situated just makes it perfect [TS]

00:20:16   I don't know either way silence that was a little jarring i guess but you know [TS]

00:20:24   whatever something new I guess it's better than having the disney castle [TS]

00:20:28   that were really broken my heart I just get and I like Disney I i like the [TS]

00:20:33   Disney come and I we go to Disney World [TS]

00:20:35   I don't know seven or eight times a year i bet it would have been wrong for Star [TS]

00:20:40   Wars yeah I was really shocked i thought there was no way disney was not gonna [TS]

00:20:44   pass up that was going to pass up the chance not to throw that castle up there [TS]

00:20:49   and start making more associations with Disney and star wars i was actually [TS]

00:20:52   disney's very very smart company i agree i agree and they're careful about their [TS]

00:20:58   branding and yeah they they let him kill on the loan I think I mean have led all [TS]

00:21:04   the Marvel stuff roll with that model you know like the comic book-like the [TS]

00:21:09   Marvel logo is a comic book pages flipping right and it just just Marvel i [TS]

00:21:16   don't i don't know maybe Jay didn't have a great idea but either way I think they [TS]

00:21:20   were happy to be like okay like fit for Marvel we do the marble thing and for [TS]

00:21:24   you guys [TS]

00:21:26   whatever you want like if you don't want the castle fine right and we kind of [TS]

00:21:29   thought that they might star wars-themed it like the Pirates of the Caribbean [TS]

00:21:33   movies they don't like kind of theme it to the movie and we thought they might [TS]

00:21:39   do something corny like that an intron name they made it sort of tron you know [TS]

00:21:43   me like a tron style castle but i have the same Tron right i think the is what [TS]

00:21:50   i would have what i would have pushed for [TS]

00:21:51   it was would be too i guess you you couldn't get Fox to actually use the [TS]

00:21:58   real Fox music I don't think there's any way that even like you said like [TS]

00:22:02   throwing money added I don't know there's something but if they could have [TS]

00:22:04   just made a new fanfare that was very similar in some way that strikes the [TS]

00:22:09   same notes and then play that over the Lucasfilm limited title card [TS]

00:22:15   yeah yeah I wanted yeah I'd like to think that I don't know who's in charge [TS]

00:22:21   of Fox i like to think that every now and then you can be look this is a [TS]

00:22:24   cultural imperative like it's not about our companies can we just used it to [TS]

00:22:30   music and that's so Canadian really think well I mean whatever reason let's [TS]

00:22:38   just do a nice thing I don't think it happens when I I'm really hard as [TS]

00:22:43   anybody I agree with you [TS]

00:22:44   so yeah anyway so long time ago in a galaxy far far away i was so exciting it [TS]

00:22:53   was exciting exciting but I remember being excited when I saw it for the [TS]

00:22:58   prequels to I i will say I've said this many times before i'm not a prequel [TS]

00:23:02   hater i mean yeah i don't i don't think they were garbage but i do remember very [TS]

00:23:07   much coming out of the first one and being like wow that was that was I feel [TS]

00:23:12   weird you know i feel i feel like i got molested [TS]

00:23:15   yeah I kept going back there was a movie center like like a hundred meters from [TS]

00:23:24   my place at the time and I just kept going back to be molested over i think [TS]

00:23:32   im gonna maybe this time I'm gonna like it [TS]

00:23:35   that's not good [TS]

00:23:39   it's like Star Wars but yeah it's like yeah it's like that with some half-ass [TS]

00:23:43   it was like it's the people i like and I'm excited but it's so bad [TS]

00:23:49   yeah there's some design that I like it there are things that I could actually [TS]

00:23:52   say nice about the two peoples see I've like but do not like movies from my [TS]

00:23:58   memory and all i remember is it was like watching c-span [TS]

00:24:02   like it was just all this political rhetoric that's all I recall that in Jar [TS]

00:24:06   Jar remember what do you drink soda this one starts out and i will see a to [TS]

00:24:16   pretty horrible III this one [TS]

00:24:19   you know I immediately immediately bag right off the bat you Skywalker has [TS]

00:24:23   vanished right [TS]

00:24:25   what a great line there are the stakes have this trade negotiation bullshit [TS]

00:24:31   it's like it's got watered together you look is not here anymore like so clearly [TS]

00:24:39   a problem right like her hero is gone i was excited because i hate looks well [TS]

00:24:47   you know yeah you know what if you don't like the hero Jedi like he's the guy [TS]

00:24:52   that [TS]

00:24:52   yeah I've got a lot of strongly held on a popular uninformed opinions about Star [TS]

00:24:57   Wars so I'm like the perfect guest know you're very informed and I had this [TS]

00:25:03   strong opinions is the way to go so I and young Skywalker is kind of a whiny [TS]

00:25:08   jerk [TS]

00:25:08   so yeah I never liked him in the in the original i I've just never have never [TS]

00:25:14   cared for him and ever since I've seen that picture of him there was a tabloid [TS]

00:25:17   picture of him and he was outside a gas station and he was digging through the [TS]

00:25:23   public ashtray and he picked up a butt and smoked it and I just thought what [TS]

00:25:28   are you doing mark I was Luke Skywalker that would help my mind [TS]

00:25:33   Luke Skywalker got into like a fancy BMW like I don't understand like I just [TS]

00:25:41   think maybe his wife wanted him to quit smoking I I don't know you're Luke [TS]

00:25:44   Skywalker by the package figure at its really really colored my whole view by [TS]

00:25:49   one all right i was confused in the opening scene where you've got a PO [TS]

00:25:55   Dameron and he very you know is easily established by the opening Texas print [TS]

00:25:59   start our general a i should say sent her most daring pilots on a mission it [TS]

00:26:03   was pretty clear okay this disguise the pilot he's you know he clearly comes [TS]

00:26:08   across as a a scroll nailed it like you immediately what was going on but then [TS]

00:26:13   they said that he went to see like an old [TS]

00:26:15   an old ally and you don't know who it is and then it's it's played by Max von [TS]

00:26:21   Sydow I had to look it up because i don't even know that his name was [TS]

00:26:24   mentioned in the movie but his character's name is Lawrence and teka [TS]

00:26:27   yeah they should just call it a maximum sido but i get it i was very steroids [TS]

00:26:33   enough name [TS]

00:26:34   I'm intimately familiar with all of the actual movies and I just expected that [TS]

00:26:40   it was going to be somebody like Lando or somebody who we knew and I'm like all [TS]

00:26:46   right he's an old guy but I don't recognize him [TS]

00:26:49   is it and I really wasted a lot of that scene trying to figure out who he was [TS]

00:26:53   because me to its next scene when he meets a color and yeah but after all it [TS]

00:27:01   would just talk about that whole opening scene III really felt like we were [TS]

00:27:04   supposed to know who he was because if they base their kind of setup like we [TS]

00:27:09   were supposed to and we didn't and I i really did it was like one of the first [TS]

00:27:14   things I did when I got home as I like looked it up and I am i okay I wasn't [TS]

00:27:17   supposed to know who that guy was but why did they yeah why do anything stupid [TS]

00:27:20   thinking about it and I was like oh wow I don't have enough star wars knowledge [TS]

00:27:25   to know who this guy is and you were two seats away from me so I couldn't ask I [TS]

00:27:31   don't know if they were trying to make you feel stupid so much they were just [TS]

00:27:34   trying to roll into a story and like you don't like so the scroll for episode 4 [TS]

00:27:41   just dropped in the deep end right and i think this one does the same thing [TS]

00:27:46   yeah and so they say it's an old family friend but I mean it's being what 32 [TS]

00:27:51   years since the last star wars movie I did want it to be like plenty of time to [TS]

00:27:56   have like an old family friend that we didn't know but I did it expected to be [TS]

00:28:01   like in Organa or a good Mon Mothma I don't know myself somebody who we were [TS]

00:28:09   suppose somebody yeah we Gentiles which until is this old man has selected you [TS]

00:28:16   know something but we don't whatever whoever he is he's the exorcist is who [TS]

00:28:21   he is [TS]

00:28:24   I heard this story that he is I totally expected wedge to be in the movie [TS]

00:28:30   because wedge is sort of an interesting trivia question because if if you ask [TS]

00:28:34   you know who are the characters who were in all three of the you know the first [TS]

00:28:37   Star Wars trilogy it's you know there's hot and Luke and Leia and the droids and [TS]

00:28:44   darth vader and all these ones that are very you know the all these iconic [TS]

00:28:47   characters but the one that's easily overlooked would be Wedge Antilles and I [TS]

00:28:51   thought well of course they're going to bring him back in that somebody told me [TS]

00:28:53   I forget I was talking to but somebody said that they approach the actors still [TS]

00:28:57   around the approach them and he was like nope can't be bothered or like maybe he [TS]

00:29:02   held out for more money or something but that was yeah what else I think that was [TS]

00:29:07   short-sighted because he probably could have made a pretty penny on that and it [TS]

00:29:12   always energy so he's the guy that meat like he made the desktop run like he I [TS]

00:29:19   think he actually dropped the fire the missiles if I'm it's been a while since [TS]

00:29:23   I've seen that one but he missed like they do I think he's the guy that the [TS]

00:29:27   the shot and they impacted on the surface [TS]

00:29:30   no no that was a that was a y-wing piloting or no no it wasn't x-wing but [TS]

00:29:34   it was the it was like it was like that the squadron captain Oh wedge [TS]

00:29:39   oh here's the thing that wedge is Luke swingman going on the trend trend right [TS]

00:29:43   and then he takes 10 me anything basically absorbs a bunch of damage and [TS]

00:29:46   then gets out of there you know in Empire he's he's actually the wounded [TS]

00:29:51   top of the at-at right he's the is the the snowspeeder pilot who's who who's [TS]

00:29:59   cable works and lucky [TS]

00:30:01   yeah he nails it at and he's the one that on the third descarada and return [TS]

00:30:07   of the jedi he blows up the like button on how to describe it there's a conduit [TS]

00:30:13   on the right-hand side that 830 nukes in order so that the the falken you can [TS]

00:30:18   blow up the main bit you know what he's right there right to the end [TS]

00:30:22   he's been in every major battle that we've seen any kick some major ass yet [TS]

00:30:26   so I had I had kind of thought at the bottom of the kraal where it said that [TS]

00:30:30   prints are generally i'm gonna keep saying the first half of the word [TS]

00:30:34   princess diamond [TS]

00:30:35   ok you like Cynthia exactly i ah I I thought maybe that was who are most [TS]

00:30:44   daring pilot was or i also was sort of hoping maybe it was Han Solo to you know [TS]

00:30:48   until we figured out that it was po'd amarin but I figured maybe you know [TS]

00:30:52   wouldn't it be cool if it was Wedge Antilles ends up wedge antilles not the [TS]

00:30:56   movie holding out for more money [TS]

00:31:00   so we're still at the crawl well yeah this is gonna be over half an hour and I [TS]

00:31:05   would have a pretty today and crawl and how about the opening and the whole [TS]

00:31:09   opening scene where it's just sort of ok you don't get let's do this [TS]

00:31:13   loved it we get a shot of have to assume is a moon has two moons orbiting jakku [TS]

00:31:21   we get a star destroyer coming in in silhouette which is nice because if they [TS]

00:31:31   just played out the same episode 4 shot i think that would've been overdone but [TS]

00:31:36   the notion that you you run the school when you pan down on two planets and the [TS]

00:31:41   stardestroyer is like that stores lower that's how you have to start a movie and [TS]

00:31:49   then we see strong tofu like assault ships kind of drop out of the store [TS]

00:31:55   which is almost beat for beat identical to what's happening in to you know start [TS]

00:32:03   was it a new hope [TS]

00:32:05   hey calling me hope and I don't like calling a new home on this show we call [TS]

00:32:08   it Star Wars yes [TS]

00:32:10   ok so let's just establish that too in Star Wars like that's the the same thing [TS]

00:32:14   right like the stairs a crazy storm trooper salt and they look badass [TS]

00:32:20   some of them get killed but they just barge in any way and they're unstoppable [TS]

00:32:24   and then after their kind of cleaned up the scene and in Star Wars data walks in [TS]

00:32:33   and in this one we have a shuttle deliver cuddle again [TS]

00:32:40   i I didn't pick up on it took me a while watching it the first time before i [TS]

00:32:45   picked up on the fact that the whole movie was more or less a remake of star [TS]

00:32:49   wars in e either very very similar or like similar but like turn like heads [TS]

00:32:56   details [TS]

00:32:58   some people have turned that into negative and I I don't like that notion [TS]

00:33:02   this is a myth it's a modern myth stop worrying about reusing plot points they [TS]

00:33:10   set out and they be told the thing that they be told the story with a few [TS]

00:33:15   different characters and a few things mixed up but have reset the do it [TS]

00:33:19   the ground so that it's versatile for like the next few movies you know right [TS]

00:33:24   right i didn't have any problem with that I thought kind of I mean maybe [TS]

00:33:29   nerds don't wanna admit it but it's kind of like a soap opera like you know has [TS]

00:33:33   all been and you know they recycle plots all the time and somebody's gonna be [TS]

00:33:37   somebody's daughter or father or and it's just the way it's gonna go [TS]

00:33:41   yeah you know I had more problem with return of the jedi when they're like [TS]

00:33:45   can't really like another desktop didn't we can it did that like right right as [TS]

00:33:51   we could this one this one at least it's like kid know we're gonna do the exact [TS]

00:33:55   same thing like don't and maybe I'm older some well i think the other thing [TS]

00:34:00   that if we're being honest with each other and I think I I didn't predict [TS]

00:34:04   that I really and I did go in blind i did not predict that they would just [TS]

00:34:07   really remake Star Wars yeah but I think it's kind of overall I think it's kind [TS]

00:34:12   of genius because they did it without actually remaking it now compare and [TS]

00:34:17   contrast with what they did with Star Trek where they would again JJ Abrams [TS]

00:34:22   they rebooted it but they've recast all of these iconic characters you know [TS]

00:34:26   there's a new captain kirk there's a new guy playing Spock and they you know use [TS]

00:34:31   the time-travel trick to get Leonard Nimoy I into sort of tied together but [TS]

00:34:36   in a way it sort of feels like a cheek because it feels like there's never [TS]

00:34:39   going to be a william shatner Kirk in this universe and I'm so glad that they [TS]

00:34:43   didn't go that way [TS]

00:34:44   that they said you know we're not remaking episode 4 5 6 I yeah you know [TS]

00:34:49   and Han Solo is still Harrison Ford and Luke Skywalker still mark hamill and [TS]

00:34:54   Leia is still carry Fisher on but yet we're making it and I feel like the [TS]

00:35:00   thing we have to be honest with each other with everybody about is that tho [TS]

00:35:04   those movies especially the first one star wars [TS]

00:35:07   ah it it it's dated in a certain way you know and it's a you know to try to get [TS]

00:35:13   with my other you know [TS]

00:35:14   favorite movie series with the james bond movies as much as I love this sean [TS]

00:35:18   connery bond movies there's no way that you could make one of those today with [TS]

00:35:23   that pacing and that level of like production quality like they look old [TS]

00:35:28   and and the first Star Wars movie looks old and it feels old with the way that [TS]

00:35:32   its paste and so I feel like telling that same story but doing it with [TS]

00:35:37   up-to-date production values and pacing is sort of necessary to to take the [TS]

00:35:46   franchisee out of cold storage i think so i think there's so much of this movie [TS]

00:35:51   that is as much like sort of on the metal level as it is actually on it and [TS]

00:36:00   the level of telling a story I like certainly not the marrying of the [TS]

00:36:05   characters and the plot points and yeah i think it felt like used up [TS]

00:36:12   I thought it felt like fresh and look familiar [TS]

00:36:16   yeah i really like i don't know i really liked it i had no issue with that I was [TS]

00:36:19   surprised that so many people did have an issue with that [TS]

00:36:22   yeah I think they're off thanks and yeah exactly i think people could complain [TS]

00:36:28   alright here's here's a a broad topic here in and from the opening scene I [TS]

00:36:33   thought kylo Ren was an excellent villain and I like the way he talked i [TS]

00:36:38   like the words that he chose like he was you know very few words but he chose [TS]

00:36:42   them very well I love this new trick that he introduced where he stopped a [TS]

00:36:47   laser bolt in midair [TS]

00:36:49   I thought that was I'd that it never occurred to me i thought it was an [TS]

00:36:52   excellent thing [TS]

00:36:54   but in the as the movie goes on so we're introduced to him and he feels like a [TS]

00:37:00   total legit badass exactly like Darth Vader in the first movie when he first [TS]

00:37:04   enters but then as the movie goes on to me once he took his helmet off [TS]

00:37:09   I only one of those can i really hate to say it but I feel like when he took his [TS]

00:37:14   helmet off it was it reminds me of vaguely of what was his name dark helmet [TS]

00:37:20   in the baseballs [TS]

00:37:22   yes Delia like yeah helmetless kylo Ren is so whiny and a and he's ineffective [TS]

00:37:33   and I it really does correspond to the moment when he takes the helmet off [TS]

00:37:38   Waikiki that when he started having the Tantrums like it's not even having [TS]

00:37:42   tantrums before [TS]

00:37:44   did he have yeah that's right he had his first tantrum and i think its first [TS]

00:37:47   tantrum was when I was like this is this is a silly person i agree yeah I think [TS]

00:37:53   he was I think it was weak and pathetic before he took the helmet off [TS]

00:37:56   I think it so my read was the heat captured ray he was in restraints and [TS]

00:38:06   then she sort of questions him by saying like I think it looks like you tried to [TS]

00:38:13   kill me well that's what happens when I'm chased by a monster mask and he [TS]

00:38:17   tries to take the mask off and I think he thinks it's a Power Move and it [TS]

00:38:22   totally backfires and the fact that he thinks it's a Power Move is where I [TS]

00:38:29   think it turns awesome like like dark nadir get that and he kills somebody you [TS]

00:38:36   know what I mean like yes frustrated he's gonna choke somebody and this guy [TS]

00:38:39   is just like breaking his lightsaber over his knee or Darth Vader keeps this [TS]

00:38:44   shit together [TS]

00:38:45   sorry that he really does all of the six guys that we've seen even in the shitty [TS]

00:38:48   movies keep their shit together they're like if you fuck up [TS]

00:38:53   I will kill you like make no mistake about it but if things if you do what I [TS]

00:39:00   tell you to do and things don't go well I'm fine [TS]

00:39:04   like [TS]

00:39:05   I'm gonna be very very angry but it's not your fault and I'm gonna move on [TS]

00:39:09   this guy is like I'm gonna beat up a computer like really this is you move [TS]

00:39:15   like there was there was a time I was probably right around Jonas's age maybe [TS]

00:39:20   like eight eight nine ten years old and my family had played a game of monopoly [TS]

00:39:25   which if you know I think everybody's familiar it takes a look takes a long [TS]

00:39:28   time and you know it well over an hour into it and I was the first one to go [TS]

00:39:36   bankrupt and I thought for sure that I was going to win because I just thought [TS]

00:39:41   you know my family is full of simpletons it's good it's good that you're sharing [TS]

00:39:46   with as well as a ten-year-old you know I really thought that I you know and [TS]

00:39:50   that smartest person in the room yeah and I was gonna be a wheel and deal and [TS]

00:39:54   Donald Trump my way into victory [TS]

00:39:56   you know it's a real estate magnate and I went bankrupt magnate and I i lost i [TS]

00:40:04   was the first one out and I went into a fit and I really we were playing in the [TS]

00:40:09   kitchen on the kitchen table and I went into the living room which is next door [TS]

00:40:13   picked a pillow off the sofa and threw it into the kitchen and it was it could [TS]

00:40:18   not have been worse [TS]

00:40:19   it just swept the board that swept everything off the board [TS]

00:40:23   everybody's money it just slid across the board like one of the Dukes of [TS]

00:40:27   Hazzard sliding across a generally and i instantly knew [TS]

00:40:33   wow that was a horrible mistake I just ruined the game for everybody like it [TS]

00:40:37   was completely irrecoverable and everybody was like well I guess the [TS]

00:40:40   game's over nice job John but i was ten years old you know Yang and I I'll [TS]

00:40:45   learned a lesson from it i was like wow you know you gotta you know that I i [TS]

00:40:50   don't know i know that family because I'm like never serious but you don't [TS]

00:40:53   you're very even-tempered I just feel like it's I mean it's obviously a [TS]

00:41:00   deliberate choice it's not like they made a mistake but it it's a curious [TS]

00:41:03   choice that they've made the main bad guy somebody who has the emotional [TS]

00:41:07   temperament of a 10 or 11 year-old well I think it needs to do to in order to [TS]

00:41:12   disassociate and with the fader but it makes him so on likable in a way that [TS]

00:41:19   you have no respect for him like your Vader was not likeable like he was [TS]

00:41:23   likable as a badass but you know not really likable but this guy that's [TS]

00:41:28   that's what made me so mad when he killed on so like I'm gonna stop [TS]

00:41:31   bringing that up here because he was just so unlikeable like he was not [TS]

00:41:35   worthy of killing on Zola that means we really got to me I think that's the [TS]

00:41:40   point i know i know that's the point but I just I'm not gonna talk about it [TS]

00:41:44   anymore [TS]

00:41:45   well get forget the handful of it I think did and I think did Dorothy to [TS]

00:41:53   establish an archetype for villains that we've seen played over you don't since [TS]

00:41:58   its introduction and this is like they can't do the same thing when you can do [TS]

00:42:04   b-better Vader than Vader can't do that so they need they need a petulant child [TS]

00:42:10   I mean that seems like a pretty like a petulant overly in titled daily [TS]

00:42:18   misogynistic flakes certainly self-entitled I'll they nailed it trial [TS]

00:42:23   yeah had to be you know to be the villain because you've already got the [TS]

00:42:28   cold calculating guy i don't have it is cold and calculating a seething they've [TS]

00:42:35   got the ceiling thing done [TS]

00:42:38   you can't see the bed invader like his breathing is seething like you literally [TS]

00:42:44   can't get more than that [TS]

00:42:45   yeah [TS]

00:42:46   so we've got this guy who's a whiny wanna be and that it makes sense in the [TS]

00:42:54   universe and it makes sense as villain and it's and it's pathetic and i like [TS]

00:42:59   that you don't need to respect I like that he doesn't deserve to respect and [TS]

00:43:09   that's his problem is that he feels that he does but it's immediately apparent to [TS]

00:43:14   anybody that watches him that like no you don't your university or kid right [TS]

00:43:20   well and maybe it's an evolution because i hated Anakin to in the yeah the other [TS]

00:43:27   ones [TS]

00:43:27   yeah so yeah you know maybe I don't know maybe maybe killing han Solo [TS]

00:43:32   it gives him the you know what I'm a badass I killed my dad [TS]

00:43:36   I killed Han Solo so maybe you know maybe it's an evolution I don't think it [TS]

00:43:39   I think that kind of made got it and move it backfired in terms of turning [TS]

00:43:42   into the light side but he was certainly not thinking with his head when he [TS]

00:43:47   engaged variant Finn in that lightsaber battle definitely definitely anyway so [TS]

00:43:56   we're jumping all over the place [TS]

00:43:57   yeah but that but I feel like our conversation I mean yeah [TS]

00:44:01   the other thing they do is in the opening scene we are instantly and again [TS]

00:44:05   a parallels the first movie where Princess Leia you know put the plans in [TS]

00:44:09   r2 d2 and we've got a new r2d2 bb-8 and it's you know it's could not be more I [TS]

00:44:17   almost feel like I should have realized they're remaking the movie I just [TS]

00:44:20   thought oh it's just one note you know similar their secret plans and are [TS]

00:44:24   giving them to this astromech droid who keeps any moats instead of like an odd [TS]

00:44:30   in the beginning like it just felt like a nod to the first movie right and i [TS]

00:44:34   love BBA and I feel like and I know you know that was a character that they let [TS]

00:44:40   out in the trailers and they started making toys and stuff like that for it [TS]

00:44:45   so you got the gist of you know like the way that he sort of built like a snowman [TS]

00:44:48   but i really liked him in the movie and I feel like that one of the things that [TS]

00:44:54   did to me was at just a home run in the movie is the bb-8 character [TS]

00:44:58   what do you guys say i don't i don't think he could have done better I idroid [TS]

00:45:08   likes to do would be a failure right right and what you can have another r2 [TS]

00:45:15   unit we've seen that we had our for into p equals now I had nobody cared about [TS]

00:45:23   not even obi-wan Kenobi low and literally nobody cared about AK so yeah [TS]

00:45:31   now I had left it I that they managed to make it feel genuine new character droid [TS]

00:45:39   that we actually like and I asked that's no small feat right like Daddy was such [TS]

00:45:46   an r2d2 I mean he's like lucky he's cuter and he's more mobile and you know [TS]

00:45:53   like how is behind people's legs [TS]

00:45:55   he's good r2d2 expresses his personality in terms of beeps and Boop's 98 [TS]

00:46:03   environments and ya like like a like a playful puppy you know he had like you [TS]

00:46:10   said like hiding between the legs and yeah yeah he's more like a pet and her [TS]

00:46:14   teacher never got the sense it out to detail is a bit i always got the sense [TS]

00:46:18   that are to even at in the first movie where we see him or even if you go back [TS]

00:46:23   to the prequels even in the prequels one when you know chronologically we first [TS]

00:46:28   cr2 he already feels like he's an old droid and sort of acts like an old droid [TS]

00:46:33   whereas bb-8 is it feels like almost childish [TS]

00:46:38   yes he's got like a sense of wonder about him i'm one of the biggest laughs [TS]

00:46:45   in the movie and I I really do love it i think it's so great is where again we're [TS]

00:46:50   skipping around but when they're on the Falcon and Ray is underneath trying to [TS]

00:46:54   fix the ship and Finn is explaining that I'm not really part of the resistance [TS]

00:47:00   but there's no way we're getting out of this unless you tell us where he's keep [TS]

00:47:04   coming clean to the droid right [TS]

00:47:07   and he gives them a thumbs up and bb-8 as like a like a butane lighter and use [TS]

00:47:14   it to give it a thumbs up i was ready for the second time we saw it I i really [TS]

00:47:18   like gauge the crowd the crowd absolutely lost it at that . and i feel [TS]

00:47:23   like that was really the point where where everybody in the theater was like [TS]

00:47:27   all right I am fully on board with this movie [TS]

00:47:30   yeah i think that that's certainly the biggest laugh what about in broad broad [TS]

00:47:40   strokes I almost feel like in it just to jump to a a problem with the movie is [TS]

00:47:47   that in the first star wars they open the famous opening shot where you see [TS]

00:47:52   the the rebel ship small rebel ship going away and then the giant wow it [TS]

00:47:58   just keeps going and going and going [TS]

00:48:00   giant star destroyer in addition to just being a beautiful shot and a [TS]

00:48:04   tremendously effective special effect it also instantly establishes the power [TS]

00:48:09   dynamics between the rebellion in the empire that the rebels are small and [TS]

00:48:14   really up against it and the Empire is huge and the overwhelming military [TS]

00:48:20   strength in the galaxy the shot establishes that whereas in this movie [TS]

00:48:27   it's very unclear to me even after having watched it twice and you know [TS]

00:48:32   read the internet and unspoiled myself it's very unclear to me like how strong [TS]

00:48:38   the the first order is and how strong the New Republic and this resistance R [TS]

00:48:47   and yeah and he can tell and they blow [TS]

00:48:55   it out so the city's the silhouette of start story Bloods out a moon rather [TS]

00:49:02   than the Sun you think that would be more of it you know i mean like if you [TS]

00:49:07   get like a planet and a son and like this like start story just kind of comes [TS]

00:49:11   in between them [TS]

00:49:12   I I don't think so [TS]

00:49:18   the the opening crawl did not explain the political situation very well and [TS]

00:49:23   none of the expository dialogue really did I leave anything I think that might [TS]

00:49:30   have been a reaction to um you know the prequels where are we did spend time [TS]

00:49:40   talking about like who's voting on what from where and like a way that Senator [TS]

00:49:47   need some farm subsidies so that we can have the stormtroopers whatever it was i [TS]

00:49:53   I think maybe did it got closed over a little bit much i do know that there [TS]

00:49:57   have been scenes cut to deal with a little bit with political side of things [TS]

00:50:03   yeah I've heard that too including like that the characters who got blown up on [TS]

00:50:08   the balcony [TS]

00:50:09   yeah we see we see a woman like the close-up of the woman's face she [TS]

00:50:13   actually apparently gets dispatched by layer to go and talk to the Galactic [TS]

00:50:21   Senate about getting up more support resistance but that think it all got cut [TS]

00:50:28   and probably rightfully so is long enough movie with enough going on that I [TS]

00:50:32   don't think we need needed to know it is a good question and then those prequels [TS]

00:50:36   i mean if i would have heard the words Galactic Senate I would have got nothing [TS]

00:50:39   left [TS]

00:50:40   yeah yeah well you would've missed and so again field [TS]

00:50:44   yeah and I you know what and then I'd be happy [TS]

00:50:48   one of the things that I thought was pretty clever and I liked it is even [TS]

00:50:53   know it's [TS]

00:50:55   it's 30 years later and you know i like i like the basic idea that that what [TS]

00:51:01   happened in return of the jedi did not completely shut down the Empire [TS]

00:51:05   instantly the Empire truly was an empire and you know losing another star [TS]

00:51:11   destroyer and are not started toward death star and the super star destroyer [TS]

00:51:16   and losing that you know the Emperor and Vader obviously you get them back [TS]

00:51:19   tremendously but it left them with something that they could still have [TS]

00:51:23   they still had this massive Starfleet yeah I love to make sense there's no way [TS]

00:51:27   you can click that battle did not [TS]

00:51:31   there's no way that battle could cripple something is lunch is a galactic empire [TS]

00:51:35   and i really like the way that they flip this though and they made because it was [TS]

00:51:40   unclear how old Darth Vader was in the first movies but you knew an obi-wan [TS]

00:51:44   said that he was you know I told Luke that you know he you know had fought [TS]

00:51:49   with him and it was a starpilot so you knew he had to be at least like 40 or 50 [TS]

00:51:53   you know that he was you know more or less 12 you know 20 years maybe or so [TS]

00:51:58   younger than obi-wan but Tarkin was greatly well couldn't wait for those [TS]

00:52:03   first movies i did not think he was 20 years younger than opening line [TS]

00:52:07   oh you didn't how well did you think it was because he said that is a mage I'll [TS]

00:52:10   see I thought that he was a little younger because he said he told Luke [TS]

00:52:13   that it was an apprentice of mine you know [TS]

00:52:15   well ok so in a new Hopi says that he thought with him right so that [TS]

00:52:21   established my relationship thing and then he talks about Darth Vader having [TS]

00:52:27   trained him [TS]

00:52:28   yeah but then even addresses in his old man your powers are weak old man [TS]

00:52:32   yeah okay i still didn't [TS]

00:52:36   the 20 years but ok yeah i just figured well yeah yeah yeah I don't think you [TS]

00:52:42   will have the energy i think you have to have 20 years on somebody to call them [TS]

00:52:45   an old man right you can call somebody is roughly your age an old man now i'm [TS]

00:52:50   gonna start getting this i do it i'd love it if you could get going i always [TS]

00:52:59   go into the really interesting twist that especially that the Hawks character [TS]

00:53:04   is like a young i got a boy i wanted to punch that guy and I ya feel like you [TS]

00:53:10   wanted to want me they wanted you to want to punch him [TS]

00:53:13   ah like when he was given his is little Nazi speech to all the troops and I was [TS]

00:53:19   just like and i would like to see you get punched [TS]

00:53:21   yeah you want to grab like a captain america shield and just hit again faced [TS]

00:53:24   with it [TS]

00:53:26   he's awful is that we're going with the turkan thing [TS]

00:53:29   oh yeah that he will get to me it's one of those aspects of the movie where yes [TS]

00:53:33   the whole thing parallels the first Star Wars movie sucks is clearly the the [TS]

00:53:38   taärgonn stand-in and i really like the twist that instead of being an old guy [TS]

00:53:43   he is young i mean i don't know it looks like to me like he's only around thirty [TS]

00:53:48   years old [TS]

00:53:49   yeah he's young he's full of piss and vinegar and these he's on a mission [TS]

00:53:53   right and it's like inherently like I what was the name of the actor who [TS]

00:53:58   played target Peter go to ya know what is it [TS]

00:54:02   yeah that date that's exactly it isn't it somebody'll correct us if we're wrong [TS]

00:54:08   yeah I back I just instantly commanded respect because it just who he is right [TS]

00:54:16   you just had to respect them whereas Hux is like because he's like a young punk [TS]

00:54:22   you had to know that [TS]

00:54:24   oh no I'm sorry Peter Cushing was the name not pretty crushing so at Peter [TS]

00:54:27   O'Toole's yeah yeah i'm looking it up on my phone but he commanded respect just [TS]

00:54:33   because it was just this old british actor who you know as a kid I don't even [TS]

00:54:38   know what he was into you just know you've seen him in his face is like so [TS]

00:54:41   it's like Max on set up like exactly he it's yeah so I thought that was pretty [TS]

00:54:47   brilliant i really like that I like that the guy is [TS]

00:54:49   a young punk [TS]

00:54:53   yeah definitely well his arrogance and vigor really got sold because he was [TS]

00:55:01   beyond gay I think it's like he's too young and dumb to have actually thought [TS]

00:55:08   about what the hell he's saying and so we can deliver these kind of speeches [TS]

00:55:13   with complete conviction and as opposed to having like it a sense of cynicism [TS]

00:55:23   but you don't want to hear the vader read the damper deliver is his tox [TS]

00:55:30   there's always a cynicism behind it i just think this guy is just a real [TS]

00:55:36   believer you know he's a born-again fascist and per Imperial Lackey leader [TS]

00:55:43   again again morning in fascist create he really is the keys [TS]

00:55:50   who does that you can tell you get listened for like into politics [TS]

00:55:56   you can just see that he'd be voting for Trump though [TS]

00:55:59   yeah thanks yeah that's alright let's take another try not to go there let's [TS]

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00:58:54   all right we haven't really spoken about Rayette and Amy [TS]

00:59:01   I love ray I mean I think how could you not like Ray I they loved her she was so [TS]

00:59:09   exciting and I i have that was another football what we gonna say i don't [TS]

00:59:20   remember because you interrupted me I was directing you to speak in the [TS]

00:59:23   microbe because you picked them faces they're clearly i mean this is again [TS]

00:59:28   this is obvious anybody seen the movies she is the luke skywalker she's the you [TS]

00:59:34   know the force aware force capable 20ish year old who's living on a desert planet [TS]

00:59:42   and has you know dreams and of a bigger adventures is she's a pilot you know [TS]

00:59:51   she's the new Luke but whereas lucious was better than she's better than look [TS]

00:59:56   is exactly a veteran Luke wants to go into it [TS]

00:59:56   is exactly a veteran Luke wants to go into it [TS]

01:00:00   whatever I'm gosh II station that's not the word i know it's an American flag [TS]

01:00:05   and perfect Toshi's how she said she will build you some dad power converters [TS]

01:00:12   lake [TS]

01:00:13   she just she just made me so so happy I mean she was just this amazing female [TS]

01:00:20   character and and I don't know if you remember like before the movie came out [TS]

01:00:27   JJ Abrams was obviously doing a lot of press and he said something kind of [TS]

01:00:30   Judah there's just something stupid and but he didn't [TS]

01:00:34   oh but you know I just felt like will give the guy a chance and I just think [TS]

01:00:38   he's trying to be coy right but I just think he was and let's face it when we [TS]

01:00:43   were little girls did love Star Wars but it was marketed towards boys and i think [TS]

01:00:49   that like everyone who criticized him owes him an apology because he said [TS]

01:00:54   maybe one silly kind of dumb thing but then in the movie it was so true i mean [TS]

01:01:00   she absolutely kicked ass she was amazing [TS]

01:01:03   yeah i think he said something like a Star Wars has always been a boy's thing [TS]

01:01:08   right but I hope with this movie mothers will want to take the daughters and [TS]

01:01:13   it'll be a good thing and then people get bent out of shape because he was [TS]

01:01:16   like right wasn't always voicing i think yeah okay [TS]

01:01:23   true i'll keep the guy said something stupid and then he made a movie with it [TS]

01:01:28   kickass video he'd already made the movie when he said it and he was like [TS]

01:01:32   trying not to be right can spoil it and he's trying to be like look this is [TS]

01:01:37   gonna be more this could be more powerful women characters in this movie [TS]

01:01:41   than you expect is what he's trying to say right there and then it's like just [TS]

01:01:46   he screwed up [TS]

01:01:47   so what I really loved the introduction to her cinematically helps cuz she's [TS]

01:01:54   she's exploring the the husk of the destroyed our star destroyer on the [TS]

01:02:01   surface of the planet and I i thought it the first time I saw it and I had this [TS]

01:02:07   in mind the second time i saw it to me i really do think it's almost an homage to [TS]

01:02:12   Wally that she lives this solitary life that is to me a lot like Wally you know [TS]

01:02:19   in the way that while he was cleaning up garbage and she was sort of scavenging [TS]

01:02:22   you know the garbage for parts but the way to that the entire introduction to [TS]

01:02:28   her she's by herself and she never mother's you know there's never anything [TS]

01:02:31   where she says anything she doesn't talk to herself or anything it's purely [TS]

01:02:35   cinematic you just see her exploring this thing it's beautiful [TS]

01:02:40   it really does look real it I mean I you know obviously I guess a lot of that was [TS]

01:02:44   CGI but unlike the prequels to me it really looked like they built a giant [TS]

01:02:48   empty star destroyer and it established her character it's like wow this whoever [TS]

01:02:54   she is she knows you know you know the way that she's like grappling around on [TS]

01:02:58   these hooks and and cables and stuff like that like she knows what she's [TS]

01:03:01   doing and then her excavation ends with her sliding down the dune like a sled [TS]

01:03:09   and it's just like a little bit of whimsy that to me was like but she's you [TS]

01:03:13   know she's trying to have fun I loved it I loved the luxury they took in [TS]

01:03:19   establishing and the way she lived her life and a lot of movies just have a [TS]

01:03:26   like a faster pace these days and maybe though drop a couple of lines of [TS]

01:03:30   exposition like oh man I can't believe spent like another day scavenging in the [TS]

01:03:36   Star Destroyer didn't like something like that but this is high so much [TS]

01:03:41   better like you can like it's nice and slow it the the sled is whimsy but it [TS]

01:03:48   also just makes sense why like she you know that she's been doing this long [TS]

01:03:53   time she collects a bunch of stuff she puts on the sled she slides down the [TS]

01:03:56   thing and she carries at home on your speeder right and it was slow paced but [TS]

01:04:01   it was still enjoyable to watch and I felt like it was slow paced and you've [TS]

01:04:06   got a lot out of it like you really got her isolation and I didn't I thought [TS]

01:04:12   that was really i thought it was really interesting but like you said it was a [TS]

01:04:15   slow-paced thing but it was super enjoyable to watch i loved it i don't [TS]

01:04:20   think she was in line [TS]

01:04:21   she was in line to sell the parts [TS]

01:04:23   is the weird like it's just perfect like the the monotony of like okay I'm going [TS]

01:04:30   to do this i love the shot of her and the she's cleaning off the parts [TS]

01:04:36   she's collected and she looks up and across the table from her is a weathered [TS]

01:04:41   old 1i and it like not just no one but like a woman is clearly being like [TS]

01:04:46   beaten down by the sands and the environment that they're living in and [TS]

01:04:53   it's very big shot but you it is registered with her and with us that [TS]

01:05:00   like okay this is right this is it this is my future [TS]

01:05:04   this is me if I don't get something going yeah right and the other the other [TS]

01:05:08   shot that to me was it's just cinema it there's no dialogue but when she tries [TS]

01:05:13   on the helmet the she finds like a rebel so great a rebel x-wing pilot helmet and [TS]

01:05:19   she tries it on it tells you exactly what you think she's dreaming of getting [TS]

01:05:23   off the planet right and she's eating food all happy [TS]

01:05:27   yeah she's not start telling that food at disney any player felt anything at [TS]

01:05:34   Disney and the Star Wars stuff is just out of control like they have opened up [TS]

01:05:38   a new building in one of the parks just to sell Star Wars stuff and they're [TS]

01:05:43   going to tell this little gruel packet i know it and kids are gonna go nuts one [TS]

01:05:47   quarter one quarter portion yeah but i liked it that she was like she had a [TS]

01:05:55   smile on her face like okay I was the day well done I've got something to eat [TS]

01:05:59   i'm sitting here eating my thing I've got my helmet feeling it you know I'm [TS]

01:06:06   well here's because it wasn't like uh and it wasn't like it you know like an [TS]

01:06:12   Oliver Twist kind of thing was I could have got everything is awful and I'm the [TS]

01:06:15   worst it was right now make my way it's money that way so that i found her so [TS]

01:06:21   much more likable than Luke in the first movie where Luke is is so [TS]

01:06:28   you know like and he's like on another season I was me like why is this [TS]

01:06:32   happening to me like i have these big dreams but i'm not really gonna do [TS]

01:06:36   anything about them i'm just gonna whine about my circumstance yeah and I didn't [TS]

01:06:39   you know what I didn't get like a contentedness from ray I got a hey I'm [TS]

01:06:44   putting up with this but I'm gonna do something like oh yeah don't get me [TS]

01:06:48   wrong i don't care i mean i don't you just took joy in small moment like right [TS]

01:06:52   my page on my thing it's at least a meeting for today and this is where get [TS]

01:06:57   better like I'm gonna be happy helmet on [TS]

01:07:02   pusha love i just love the idea of what and you don't want nobody talks about is [TS]

01:07:05   the sushi marks off I one day at a time on that wall right and there's a lot of [TS]

01:07:13   them are a lot of my oh that America's gonna yeah yeah yeah clearly her [TS]

01:07:20   backstory is it's a total JJ Abrams is a mystery box yeah mystery box and [TS]

01:07:28   including the fact that we don't hear her last name [TS]

01:07:30   I mean obviously there's an awful lot of people who are speculating that maybe [TS]

01:07:33   she's Luke's daughter that she's raised Skywalker and yeah I don't believe that [TS]

01:07:38   and she was left there for whatever mysterious reasons I don't know it's [TS]

01:07:43   there's gotta be some reason we don't know her last name or any other [TS]

01:07:47   speculation the other guests you know and going along typical star wars lines [TS]

01:07:53   where everybody ends up being somebody's brother or sister would be that she's a [TS]

01:07:57   common layers daughter but that that to me doesn't seem plausible just because [TS]

01:08:02   of the way that Hans interaction with her it there's it doesn't even if [TS]

01:08:07   there's even a chance of that is she's Kenobi's granddaughter is it we know [TS]

01:08:12   that no we don't have help for their and that's what I choose to assert right now [TS]

01:08:19   eh she's got the accent be here Kenobi speaking to her in a flashback sequence [TS]

01:08:25   see a panic and can't be when at it originally which is kind of what set the [TS]

01:08:34   whole thing off [TS]

01:08:35   um and I don't know what the other one is an amazing i'd i'd have you purchased [TS]

01:08:44   awesome i have read so she's got a huge obi-wan Kenobi fan like he's my guy so [TS]

01:08:51   I'm going with her bandit or maybe she could be like is nice or something but [TS]

01:08:56   she you know maybe she's named Ray Kenobi no no so-so my I mean my thing is [TS]

01:09:00   like you know what if you look like you and rigor and all of your buddies on the [TS]

01:09:05   jetty order to get wiped out and you're stuck on tatooine with nothing to do for [TS]

01:09:10   20 years i think the cantina may look like a good place to have a little bit [TS]

01:09:14   of fun if you know have we thought about the fact that she might be you notice a [TS]

01:09:20   concentrated haven't thought about that that it had not thought about that I [TS]

01:09:27   don't want to know how that goes [TS]

01:09:29   I don't here's a complaint i have with the movie one of my complaints is that [TS]

01:09:34   they don't introduce any memorable vehicles that are new that it's just [TS]

01:09:40   they've painted the TIE fighters black they not they have created a new to see [TS]

01:09:44   TIE fighter [TS]

01:09:45   what is it like the Special Forces TIE fighter yeah that was a plot contrivance [TS]

01:09:49   right like am but it's you know it's the Millennium Falcon x-wings Star [TS]

01:09:54   Destroyers all the videos know why wings [TS]

01:09:56   there's no tie interceptors onerous there's no a-wings there's no b-wings is [TS]

01:10:01   nothing it was just excellent I fighters that's exactly where i'm going with the [TS]

01:10:04   only cool new vehicle at all is raised speeder which i kinda liked it i did i [TS]

01:10:11   kinda like to make a landspeeder we turn it on its side [TS]

01:10:14   I don't know I kinda like that i would I think if I was a kid I'd want i would [TS]

01:10:18   want the race Peter toy I liked it was kinda shitty it's just a big box with no [TS]

01:10:24   guess it makes sense right it's like what she's not gonna be make going [TS]

01:10:29   around with it like a dope ride wherever it's saying this thing moves and they're [TS]

01:10:34   bad silurian it's totally utilitarian well i guess here I think it looks cool [TS]

01:10:38   my only complaint with it is that [TS]

01:10:40   given her career she kind of needs like a pickup truck yeah i think all think [TS]

01:10:48   like in theory she could there could be some some salvageable stuff in that Star [TS]

01:10:52   Destroyer that or or whatever other records you know she's she's exploring [TS]

01:10:57   that would be too big to take on that thing she kind of needs a truck so my [TS]

01:11:02   might take it is that this scavenging has been going on for so long that [TS]

01:11:07   there's very little left yet seem to get like she's climbing way up to get like a [TS]

01:11:14   little tiny part that you know she takes right [TS]

01:11:18   I don't think like all of the good stuff was gone like 20 years ago basically [TS]

01:11:22   before she was born it is kind of my fake take on it right it's a rough life [TS]

01:11:27   yeah it's not just scavenging it's like it like picking it . it is little scraps [TS]

01:11:36   of meat off the bones at this point [TS]

01:11:38   alright so the other new major character is Finn what do you guys think about [TS]

01:11:43   Finn I love him I liked it a lot [TS]

01:11:47   yeah Peter he's like a you know when it's it he's like a good guy and like [TS]

01:11:53   he's finding himself throughout the movie like I think it's fun [TS]

01:11:57   he's got a good heart and he has bad luck [TS]

01:12:01   I like that he's kind of the bumbler you know what I mean maybe you're the badass [TS]

01:12:04   and he's kind of the bubbler you're like that I like that well and I think it [TS]

01:12:08   compares well in in in the first scene where we really get to see him at mean [TS]

01:12:12   we obviously there's that the bat the opening battle where he for whatever [TS]

01:12:16   reason you know has broken through the indoctrination of the stormtroopers and [TS]

01:12:21   and has serious moral qualms hated that though because storm troopers don't [TS]

01:12:26   bleed and I realized like this the the use of that you know that he did it [TS]

01:12:31   marks him and it shows that he's affected but stormtroopers have never [TS]

01:12:35   bled I thought it was weird i agree it was weird it definitely broke the [TS]

01:12:42   expectations of the Star Wars movies and but if [TS]

01:12:47   think the fact that we saw a strong trooper bleeding humanize them right and [TS]

01:12:53   I which allowed us to then let go ahead and I am I didn't he was like holy crap [TS]

01:12:58   we're killing people here for no reason we're just mad yeah but like just the [TS]

01:13:01   mere fact that a stormtrooper at also a that's what should we didn't have it [TS]

01:13:07   live on [TS]

01:13:07   yeah like and it does make sense not to make sense just keep rolling [TS]

01:13:13   Thank start thinking keep rolling okay he's a human and now we're expressing [TS]

01:13:18   his human and he kinda has a bond with this guy and that's it like just I [TS]

01:13:25   vividly better shorter keep in my childhood what you know when the movies [TS]

01:13:30   were new and I was a little kid that one of the recurring arguments that me and [TS]

01:13:34   my friends would have heard or a debate i guess was exactly what what are the [TS]

01:13:38   stormtroopers are the people are they clones are you know because they [TS]

01:13:42   mentioned the Clone Wars you know is that they cloned and I remember a lot of [TS]

01:13:46   my friends thought we people because they switch you know they han and luke [TS]

01:13:52   take their outfit [TS]

01:13:53   yeah but i'd ever people who I remember I had friends who argued that they were [TS]

01:13:56   droids they must have been like robots and they even the ones that are stupid [TS]

01:14:00   and that they you know that that I agree that was stupid that was in my argument [TS]

01:14:05   but it was enough of a mystery that there at least some kids would argue [TS]

01:14:09   that they were droids in that han and luke had like hollowed-out this you know [TS]

01:14:13   taking all the robot can tell what had taken a lot of time I agree it's stupid [TS]

01:14:18   it wasn't my argument I'm subcase stupid way harsh third childhood friends a no [TS]

01:14:24   but I've always seen them is is I don't want to throw him under the bus but my [TS]

01:14:29   childhood friend I just named david knew more thought that they were destroyed [TS]

01:14:32   ok David I'm sorry man that I don't didn't mean to call you stupid you made [TS]

01:14:37   a case for it though I bet he did as a ten-year-old alright i know i love i [TS]

01:14:44   love this scene i really love the scene were we're we're po and Finn first meet [TS]

01:14:50   and [TS]

01:14:51   I it to me and ended where JJ Abrams really just nailed it [TS]

01:14:56   we're pole Dameron is clearly like a a right out of you know mythology [TS]

01:15:03   he's the hero zero he's brave he's never afraid that your job that could make [TS]

01:15:09   like a granite block like no yeah that's and even the jacket i felt like how he's [TS]

01:15:14   in Indiana Jones yeah and like a typical you know like when james bond gets [TS]

01:15:17   captured he's never liked worried you know that he's not going he just figures [TS]

01:15:21   I'm something's gonna happen i'm gonna get out of yeah and II think it's like [TS]

01:15:24   your thing where he's with the script ahead and yeah I got that confidence and [TS]

01:15:28   a fin is a perfect foil because Finn is like literally in like a flop sweat I [TS]

01:15:34   mean he is like in like he's having like the crisis of his life he knows that [TS]

01:15:38   captain phasma is on to him you know he's supposed to go down to what did she [TS]

01:15:44   say I want your weapon inspected they're going to figure out in everything she [TS]

01:15:48   says report to Division I don't know what that means but it's like at can it [TS]

01:15:53   doesn't sound good [TS]

01:15:54   okay and there's that line where he's like why are you doing this so you part [TS]

01:15:59   of the resistance any and Finn is like it's just the right thing to do because [TS]

01:16:02   you need a pilot because yeah I need a pilot and it's funny and that really did [TS]

01:16:07   that moment in the movie watching it really struck me that for all of the the [TS]

01:16:11   book length criticism you can have of the prequel trilogy trilogy and what's [TS]

01:16:16   wrong with it that the dialogue is stilted in the characters are lame and [TS]

01:16:20   it's the pot is all this political stuff and you don't even know who the bad guys [TS]

01:16:24   are because it seems like both sides are really working for the Emperor so [TS]

01:16:27   there's no bag and and you go on and on and on and and talk about the effects [TS]

01:16:30   and and how everything was green screen but it really hit me when with that joke [TS]

01:16:34   of yeah I need a pilot that you know what one of those huge huge gaping flaws [TS]

01:16:39   in the prequel trilogy is there's nothing funny in them at all and a Star [TS]

01:16:43   Wars movie should be funny [TS]

01:16:44   yes yeah you need to get the funny action beats like it's right but like i [TS]

01:16:51   said earlier it's all corny funny but it's like intoxicated right now it's in [TS]

01:16:57   a good way and that's why I like i said earlier like you got the feeling that [TS]

01:17:00   the people who made this movie really loved Star Wars [TS]

01:17:03   and I feel like they hit so many of the jokes in the right way like the the joke [TS]

01:17:09   about you know when they're running toward the ship and he's like what about [TS]

01:17:13   that one and she's like no that one's garbage and then you know then they have [TS]

01:17:17   to go to that one and it's the Millennium Falcon that's such a great [TS]

01:17:20   job they get such a star wars like it just hits the perfect tone of the end [TS]

01:17:24   the main theme kicks in like they did the camera turns to show the Millennium [TS]

01:17:30   fucking it does like dad then get the thing that's so exciting [TS]

01:17:34   yeah oh yeah our now we're playing for really such a perfect star wars joke [TS]

01:17:41   totally corny but yet you laugh anything without slicing with the PO and Finn is [TS]

01:17:49   amazing because it immediately establishes a friends character who [TS]

01:17:54   actually doesn't even have a name yet but it is establish him as like I a [TS]

01:18:01   guide that knows what the good thing say is like he knows what the right thing to [TS]

01:18:06   do and say is but he's actually just really out for himself [TS]

01:18:11   I like I'm letting you go because that's what I think to do [TS]

01:18:14   oh you need a pilot at yeah I need finally like this like he knows what the [TS]

01:18:20   thing to say is and then he's just he can't he can't hold it together like you [TS]

01:18:25   can't lie very well you know so and that comes up again and again the movie [TS]

01:18:32   yeah and so it one of the parallels I think and it's not an exact parallel but [TS]

01:18:36   clearly Finn is in a certain way he's he is the Han Solo of this movie where he's [TS]

01:18:43   the character who's really just looking out for his own interest [TS]

01:18:46   yeah yes well and willing i will be his way through everything [TS]

01:18:50   yeah we're han was sort of as soon as you met me was good [TS]

01:18:55   drizzle and competent a thin is competent to some ways but definitely [TS]

01:19:01   not not world-wise like hand was right right because he's been a program [TS]

01:19:09   stormtrooper this whole time so yeah I think it's amazing that he has as much [TS]

01:19:14   thought as he doesn't get his things happen if anything it's kind of [TS]

01:19:18   impressive that he's not more than an asshole i'm not to take out of the [TS]

01:19:23   moment but um did we tell her son [TS]

01:19:26   we're doing this and is it weird that he hasn't wondered where we are i think i [TS]

01:19:32   just thought of that and he doesn't know where we are and he's not concerned I [TS]

01:19:39   don't figure it out okay it like he just got new video games for Christmas and I [TS]

01:19:48   haven't seen him upright in the days one of the one of the things that in the [TS]

01:19:59   first Star Wars movie is it hon [TS]

01:20:02   in Luke you really don't see them together much there on the Millennium [TS]

01:20:07   Falcon then obi-wan is telling them you know about the force and highways assume [TS]

01:20:11   disqus hon can't really stand him and huh [TS]

01:20:14   everything I've been all around the galaxy I've never seen anything that [TS]

01:20:17   makes me believe in an all-powerful force controls my destiny and then [TS]

01:20:21   they're on the Death Star and its really really you know the only real seem to [TS]

01:20:25   have together is that scene where they decide to go rescue Princess Leia and [TS]

01:20:29   Luke it's like you know she's rich you know you know they'll be a big reward [TS]

01:20:34   more than you can imagine i don't know i can imagine quite a bit [TS]

01:20:38   well they should do we have the end up in government compactor [TS]

01:20:42   yeah but it's mostly action head-butted somehow got together for that much I [TS]

01:20:46   mean it's obviously more than poen dinner together but it's not that much [TS]

01:20:49   but then somehow but the way that it works though is that when Empire strike [TS]

01:20:52   strikes back starts and luke says in on his communicator han old buddy and when [TS]

01:20:59   you know Lucas to come back and haunt is like that's my friend out there you know [TS]

01:21:02   I'm gonna you know yeah you know what it is it's when can we get shut down [TS]

01:21:07   yeah and it was standing right there and they see it happen and that think that's [TS]

01:21:11   the moment where it's like there's something about the interaction between [TS]

01:21:14   Finn and po that to me even though it's really minimal in this movie that's just [TS]

01:21:20   that one scene where they escaped together and then [TS]

01:21:22   when they're reunited and he's like hey that's my jacket I but somehow like if [TS]

01:21:27   the next movie starts and it's it acted it'll just feel like poem Finn are like [TS]

01:21:33   best buddies and comrades with ya with the camaraderie like that's one of those [TS]

01:21:37   things that that JJ Abrams really nailed yeah well that I I i mean i don't know [TS]

01:21:43   but i would bet a huge amount of money that the next movie is not gonna start [TS]

01:21:47   back on that planet with me and Luke staring at each other [TS]

01:21:55   no no definitely I think it's sort of like it's a good tradition in Star Wars [TS]

01:22:00   movies that something happened in between the movies you have to do what [TS]

01:22:05   the school going to be scrolls can be like episode 8 [TS]

01:22:09   did you see the last one you like or you know I posit will wait [TS]

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01:24:08   I don't listen to your show like this is really good [TS]

01:24:12   you're getting better i can't wait to hear you pronounce the next one though [TS]

01:24:15   because water maybe a pic from the tour type situation [TS]

01:24:28   alright so we've talked about Ray we talked about has been great [TS]

01:24:33   yeah it really does so yeah we saw we talked to everybody talked about in that [TS]

01:24:39   hole is way he's man candy you can like flight excellent pretty great [TS]

01:24:46   he's got to have a bigger role in the next movie right yeah he said he's sort [TS]

01:24:50   of like gonna take the place of Han Solo i think in terms of I really like him [TS]

01:24:55   just because i have some like a guy said square jaw like he's gotta be yeah he [TS]

01:25:01   was awesome he's like almost to us and it's just ridiculous yeah so we left [TS]

01:25:08   with color and you want to talk about Keller well i was gonna I was gonna go [TS]

01:25:12   to they you know where we're aiming it said you know [TS]

01:25:16   no not that one that one's garbage and they take off in the Millennium Falcon [TS]

01:25:19   and then it was so exciting but then here come on and chewy and it's the [TS]

01:25:27   thing i want to talk about is this that we find out and when a Bible III don't [TS]

01:25:32   know what other people do with spoilers i came in i didn't know Han and Chewie [TS]

01:25:36   were in the movie because i did watch the first [TS]

01:25:38   a trailer where there's Jimmy were home when they knew they were going to come [TS]

01:25:44   through that door right like II yeah I kind of did you can see the framing and [TS]

01:25:48   you [TS]

01:25:48   yeah and I and I thought it was pretty I thought it was telling that when they [TS]

01:25:53   they thought maybe it was the first order that had boarded them but it they [TS]

01:25:58   didn't clearly show the ship that had taken the Millennium Falcon and so since [TS]

01:26:02   they didn't show it i thought you know this must be well who's going to getting [TS]

01:26:05   sucked in through the front rather than to the belly of its territory as soon as [TS]

01:26:09   a kid this is weird [TS]

01:26:10   yeah clearly wasn't it started somewhere so when it was hot and chewy I wasn't [TS]

01:26:13   surprised and it felt like the movie has gone on long enough without him but what [TS]

01:26:19   about I have to say I really it but more than Han Solo getting killed in the [TS]

01:26:26   movie what bothered me more [TS]

01:26:27   the first time i saw it was the idea that that Hans backstory for this movie [TS]

01:26:34   was that he was separated from Leia obviously for some some significant [TS]

01:26:41   amount of time maybe most of the 30 years or at least a lot of it i think [TS]

01:26:46   they're happy [TS]

01:26:47   I think if fix it about 20 years but really I got it was always obvious that [TS]

01:26:51   they could never be together [TS]

01:26:53   well because they can't they can't stand each other i mean they obviously love [TS]

01:26:56   each other but i just think that you know one of those not meant to be like [TS]

01:27:00   they're not going to like it had screwed something up but yeah I think even if [TS]

01:27:05   even if the son hadn't gotten bad hands could write but even more than being [TS]

01:27:11   separated from Leia even way more actually I was bothered by the idea that [TS]

01:27:16   he and Chewie had lost the Millennium Falcon [TS]

01:27:18   mm I just feel like all right maybe he loses his family you know [TS]

01:27:25   alright that happens that mean that can happen to a guy but there's no way [TS]

01:27:28   there's no way that Han Solo is gonna lose the money so we're gonna get [TS]

01:27:31   divorced but you're gonna hold onto that accurate and you'll be perfectly bad [TS]

01:27:43   first step [TS]

01:27:46   I don't know why I agreed to Florida I like our carpet is not the Millennium [TS]

01:27:51   Falcon of our car was closed and i would say yeah like I kind of thought when [TS]

01:27:57   they boarded that maybe like the idea was going to be that they had planted [TS]

01:28:01   the Millennium Falcon there and that maybe they explained it maybe they [TS]

01:28:05   wouldn't but that it was part of the plan and that's why they picked it up [TS]

01:28:07   because they like left behind the idea that they've gone and she we haven't had [TS]

01:28:11   the falcon for some number of years really bothered me hold on to anything I [TS]

01:28:16   he's not a good person [TS]

01:28:18   I mean it's good person but he's he's not really good at life like he's always [TS]

01:28:24   fly by the seat of his pants right yeah sure um I look like so much of this [TS]

01:28:33   movie at it is it's a matter of movie in so many ways [TS]

01:28:37   um I'm actually not having been on the Falcon and 30 years is because we [TS]

01:28:42   haven't been on the fucking 30 years that's it the reason r2d2 is asleep the [TS]

01:28:47   entire time until after we blow up the Death Star is because r2d2 is the heart [TS]

01:28:51   and soul of the the movies and after we've done the entire first movie again [TS]

01:28:57   by blowing up the Death Star rather than like a medal ceremony we get to see r2d2 [TS]

01:29:02   reboot magically out of that of the ether for no good reason [TS]

01:29:08   oh yeah that's something that John and I spent a lot of time talking about like [TS]

01:29:11   what makes him wake up it's a narrative well ok it's a narrative contract it's [TS]

01:29:16   like r2d2 is the heart of Star Wars and he wakes up [TS]

01:29:20   I like we have two groups two hours are talking about it you're like who cares [TS]

01:29:25   well I think he's right now i think that i think i'd be really ready like I'm not [TS]

01:29:30   it's like whenever I'd like an in-universe excuse i'm sure we can [TS]

01:29:33   I'm sure it's like the briefcase in Pulp Fiction you know what I mean like [TS]

01:29:36   they're not support this man time dwelling on it don't doesn't matter [TS]

01:29:39   right [TS]

01:29:41   I've seen we've seen a Star Wars movie including with the destruction of a [TS]

01:29:45   dexter if you'll be kindled use the movie titled The Force awakens what [TS]

01:29:52   happens for submerged r2d2 awakens and literally tells you see I think it's [TS]

01:29:57   like humans where you go in with Luke [TS]

01:30:00   look like yeah but I actually think that Luke wake forest didn't him a like [TS]

01:30:07   turned mine in some way I think Luke was like hey you chill out [TS]

01:30:13   july send you a signal and then you have to a signal and you come to life [TS]

01:30:18   yeah yeah that way i use the word doodle for that but yeah so I'd i thinkI in [TS]

01:30:23   university I think in terms of writing the script is like who cares it's like [TS]

01:30:28   2d to represent something to us and if the fact that we have the new droid bb-8 [TS]

01:30:36   bumper man like want to resurrect him is again meta commentary on like right [TS]

01:30:43   you're right we have to you know we're trying to reboot these old movies were [TS]

01:30:47   trying to get the bag at the whole thing about inheritance and how even just a [TS]

01:30:53   scavenger stuff like that the new people are scavenging parts from the old you [TS]

01:31:02   know from the old vampire or from the old series and they're they're reusing [TS]

01:31:07   them like all of this is you it's alright as well for us to say oh my gosh [TS]

01:31:11   look at that you know look at the old ship or i agree with you i think that [TS]

01:31:15   the whole world just another commentary like did that the movie actually Carol [TS]

01:31:20   movies [TS]

01:31:20   exactly oh that's interesting exactly like the whole thing like it works [TS]

01:31:24   unlike a lot of different levels not that I'm saying like this movie is high [TS]

01:31:27   art or anything but I don't get crazy but but it's I think it would be I think [TS]

01:31:33   it's silly to think of it in terms of like women already made this movie so [TS]

01:31:38   yes [TS]

01:31:39   ok thank you now can we think about why maybe they made these choices and I [TS]

01:31:44   think that the reason they made these choices is you know it's a modern myth [TS]

01:31:50   and retelling a myth is part of being a myth and I'm is certainly [TS]

01:31:59   mountains of scavenging the r2d2 thing like they're acknowledging what has come [TS]

01:32:04   before is a large part of what this movie is about like an intentional [TS]

01:32:11   choice [TS]

01:32:12   here's what I've upon thinking about it after like might set my from initial [TS]

01:32:16   reaction was that it really bothered me that they decided that on it lost the [TS]

01:32:19   Falcon at some point we lost the Falcon that's the thing we write and I green [TS]

01:32:25   III and that works for me but the other thing too is I also really like the idea [TS]

01:32:31   at once it's settled in that rock bottom for Han Solo he still had to bacha like [TS]

01:32:37   like so like the fact that he'd lost the Falcon just showed just how far he's [TS]

01:32:41   fallen and it lends some weight to like your general that Han Solo general solo [TS]

01:32:47   and he says I used to be [TS]

01:32:49   ah I i like it i actually I did it bothered me at first but I unless that [TS]

01:32:55   like it works for work for han Solo and it works for housing for it too [TS]

01:32:59   and the other thing too that really struck me about this movie is it's by [TS]

01:33:03   far and I've always been a fan of Chewbacca and I've always thought that [TS]

01:33:08   Chewbacca is an underrated special effect because to me he's he is the most [TS]

01:33:15   credible unbelievable alien creature in any movie ever made [TS]

01:33:19   Yankee and you just never doubt in and and so many of the effects in the [TS]

01:33:24   original Star Wars they're good but you did they kind of hold up only with [TS]

01:33:29   nostalgia whereas Chewbacca he really he does not look like a man in a suit he [TS]

01:33:34   looks like a Wookiee yeah and I don't know what they did you know like the [TS]

01:33:39   ones that magazine where kids that would have all the fan goriya fangoria fair [TS]

01:33:44   and hasn't and now they're remember finger it [TS]

01:33:48   yeah but like the just the effects that they did to make his mouth not look like [TS]

01:33:52   a human mouth and everything he's always been a super credible alien I loved it [TS]

01:33:57   but this movie to me is by far and away the best Chewbacca movie ever [TS]

01:34:01   it's it he on his own he kinda steal the show and and in terms of just [TS]

01:34:07   emphasizing what an incredible friendship in Han Solo have [TS]

01:34:13   really because I think okay I'm not dwelling on it but I think he got over [TS]

01:34:17   it pretty quickly [TS]

01:34:18   I mean Han Solo got and I think one of the second things I turn to you and said [TS]

01:34:23   after Han Solo dad was oh my god poor chewy after i said why couldn't it have [TS]

01:34:29   been chewy but they did they did a disservice to that I felt like he just [TS]

01:34:34   wasn't the same as you did you learning with that nurse come on it's all died [TS]

01:34:39   no no no that was before I don't like seeing the movie once [TS]

01:34:43   ok that's good that that was before and what yeah that was that was kind of [TS]

01:34:48   adorable [TS]

01:34:49   I'm and adorable everyone was adorable but yeah brother and I feel like I've I [TS]

01:34:55   also knows i feel so she's well he shoots a family member [TS]

01:35:00   right right like very not like that you back we've ever seen [TS]

01:35:05   I he may strangle ando Lando got Han Solo frozen in carbonite and sold to the [TS]

01:35:14   Empire and he talked about and Sonny didn't kill a month site you know shot [TS]

01:35:18   son who han was willing to die to dry rescue and she was like screw you you [TS]

01:35:23   kill Han Solo on shooting it [TS]

01:35:25   yeah yeah friend he got a pretty good do and they spend a lot of time in that [TS]

01:35:29   movie establishing did like that thing hurts right now they did they were like [TS]

01:35:35   hey can I try that and he shot in like two stormtroopers just blow up he didn't [TS]

01:35:39   even hit them and they just blow up they spend a lot of time establishing that [TS]

01:35:44   that thing is the that's that's gonna sting I feel like you guys take this [TS]

01:35:48   like a lot more seriously than i do and you have like some I don't know you have [TS]

01:35:54   them super LA I would have just so but I mean you're actually are broken like you [TS]

01:35:59   now I was telling you and I just was like oh man i texted john right after my [TS]

01:36:06   cancer i think it made me sad [TS]

01:36:09   dr. but not so I know like it really got to me but let's talk about like because [TS]

01:36:13   Jonas got one for christmas let's talk about kylo Ren's lightsaber like why [TS]

01:36:17   does it have like a stick at the bottom that you can cut yourself open with like [TS]

01:36:22   it's got the cross the thing and Jonas still insists that console died [TS]

01:36:26   the crossing like console is not going out with the crossing like he got the [TS]

01:36:30   big and oh I take out on follow with across the end because you know it's [TS]

01:36:37   like a chrono that was pointed right as shit right right [TS]

01:36:40   it's so obvious I'm it's going right to him you dig it but whatever stupid [TS]

01:36:45   kitties are hopeful lovely kid that I'm is my wish i wish i wish i was that [TS]

01:36:51   hopeful that asshole would come back but he's he was so sure and I was just like [TS]

01:36:57   no and stop and then him saying it was getting me more upset here like he I'm [TS]

01:37:03   more emotionally affected by this menu and Jonas was just like it's fine mama [TS]

01:37:09   fine i was that you don't understand i love God's overall I cannot be your [TS]

01:37:14   mother right now and you together with SE los i'm seriously on the way home he [TS]

01:37:19   was like he's fine i was like get out of my face [TS]

01:37:22   get out of my face like it can take it was it was a real ugly scene he didn't [TS]

01:37:26   like it isn't this breaks families apart but why does something have that like [TS]

01:37:31   it's like a half a Darth Maul like at the bottom and it like John and I were [TS]

01:37:36   saying it just seems like you're going to stab yourself his lightsaber makes no [TS]

01:37:40   sense [TS]

01:37:41   my take on it is that the production designers wanted to make an original [TS]

01:37:45   light so they could tell didn't like the darth maul's where they had the [TS]

01:37:49   double-sided but what does which is better than dog model this is weak but [TS]

01:37:53   he had he wielded his like like raise stick like in the middle yeah world and [TS]

01:37:59   stuff like this but this one just has one like I imagined kylo Ren has a whole [TS]

01:38:03   bunch of robes that have like cuts in them because i'll shoot i cut myself [TS]

01:38:07   with my lightsaber because he's not that good at it [TS]

01:38:10   well he does use one of the ages to hurt at finn right [TS]

01:38:15   it just doesn't seem I good practical design is exactly impractical we bought [TS]

01:38:20   one from things working it so that it worked out [TS]

01:38:31   these are the kinds of things that kept me up about this movie is so much about [TS]

01:38:41   this movie that we have any minute Jess didn't play at all [TS]

01:38:45   alright well let's talk about Leia I cried a little when I saw her to got a [TS]

01:38:50   very related how great that scene where on Claire realize my favorite scene in [TS]

01:38:57   the whole thing we're hot and layer are reunited and like it's such a good star [TS]

01:39:02   wars joke and then c-3po pops up and he's like to see column does he call him [TS]

01:39:08   captain solo and then he says and perhaps you don't recognize me because [TS]

01:39:13   of my red it's so funny [TS]

01:39:18   it's so perfect it is I c-3po did not recognize me because of my red arm and [TS]

01:39:26   soul of course recognizes him because he hates them he looks started one of the [TS]

01:39:33   best things about how soldiers that he hasn't just murdered you do . like that [TS]

01:39:39   is the defining character and characteristics between two vodka and [TS]

01:39:43   Han Solo I can't believe he's allowed to live i love c-3po i do i love him he's [TS]

01:39:51   such a fussy little annoying [TS]

01:39:52   there's a bunch of weird stuff have about the droid bb-8 it pierced nose [TS]

01:40:00   capilla actually why wouldn't because they all hang out of the resistance base [TS]

01:40:05   when they're out now on mission fire and yet he uncovers r2d2 and Rubio has to [TS]

01:40:12   explain to bb-8 that r2 d2's asleep say get bb-8 wouldn't know that because he [TS]

01:40:20   has been hanging out for like 20 years now so every time he pokes and nothing [TS]

01:40:26   happened [TS]

01:40:27   well you know what i do i kind of like that boys giving other choice exposition [TS]

01:40:35   exposition doesn't count as like I [TS]

01:40:41   clunky dialogue i guess i don't like why is he telling him this like this this [TS]

01:40:47   little droid shoulda known that like for a long time but because we don't know it [TS]

01:40:52   and we don't have any words coming out of pdx mouth we can we find you know [TS]

01:40:58   like we can just accept it [TS]

01:41:00   here's a scene I did not I'd really didn't care for I did not care for the [TS]

01:41:05   scene on Han and Chewie these new freighter where they have these three [TS]

01:41:10   captured animals and and 22 different pirate crews somehow easily break and [TS]

01:41:17   ship like it i thought it was exactly like what he said like I'm gonna talk my [TS]

01:41:21   way out of this just like I do everything like that was a fun little [TS]

01:41:24   like you care you can add that God [TS]

01:41:29   well I I didn't dislike it it's not like I thought that they should take it out [TS]

01:41:32   but it could cut that nothing would change [TS]

01:41:36   yeah it doesn't really do it doesn't really do anything but I just liked [TS]

01:41:39   being Han Solo like being han Solo [TS]

01:41:42   here's my take on it is that this movie is a beat for beat along with a star [TS]

01:41:51   wars and in Star Wars about mid script they so they get on a ship that is [TS]

01:42:01   called garbage and they get picked up by basically basically like it [TS]

01:42:06   the garbage scow and then they end up fighting tentacle monster all of which [TS]

01:42:11   is like can to fund the government shoot getting into the trash compactor and [TS]

01:42:15   fighting the tentacle monster in Star Wars and so I think b2b they need debt [TS]

01:42:21   they wanted some kind of technical monster at this point in the script and [TS]

01:42:27   but it also established like a trust for Ray and you make gave ray a chance to be [TS]

01:42:32   a badass and like look I love the relationship between han Solo and Ray we [TS]

01:42:38   like so obviously respect her but he's not the kind of person to just say like [TS]

01:42:43   well I think you're great like i don't know i thought i thought it i think it [TS]

01:42:47   had so I think it has some purpose but i don't think that [TS]

01:42:51   a giant cgi technical balls was this necessarily the best way to ya that you [TS]

01:42:59   know like to read it was a bit much [TS]

01:43:01   it was a very JM seemed to me and you also felt a lot more like his Star Trek [TS]

01:43:06   stuff you know like in the one star trek movie where there was the monster [TS]

01:43:09   chasing Kirk on the ice planet it it just felt like that rather than feeling [TS]

01:43:16   like star wars because to me a lot of what makes star wars star wars a lot of [TS]

01:43:20   the way a lot of the time is that the action scenes are sort of allowed to [TS]

01:43:24   breathe and are not like diced up in the editing room as quick quick quick quick [TS]

01:43:29   quick shots [TS]

01:43:30   it's more like the action plays out in the frame and that that scene was to me [TS]

01:43:36   more like a like any current decade science fiction alien movie yet felt a [TS]

01:43:44   bit more modern than I maybe then it wanted to and fin getting dragged away [TS]

01:43:50   and not eaten again that was weird it's weird like why like I don't like that i [TS]

01:43:56   don't understand the motivation the creatures not that I need to necessarily [TS]

01:43:59   understand them but right there like how can there be some guys there like eating [TS]

01:44:04   some guys and like not gonna drag him around for 10 minutes and like you knew [TS]

01:44:08   he wasn't in danger [TS]

01:44:09   look I knew he wasn't going to tell ya now there was one moment I think I maybe [TS]

01:44:13   you even said this to me guy when we were chatting about the movie but that [TS]

01:44:17   there is a wen Han shoved the one bad guy into the aliens mouth [TS]

01:44:24   yeah it was sort of a to me the-the-the-the nod was to the Han shot [TS]

01:44:33   first are get it was sort of and to me maybe not sure if that was me but it [TS]

01:44:38   yeah it was sort of a only fu they gave to George Lucas you know that the whole [TS]

01:44:43   thing to me was pretty respectful of lucas and the prequels and I think it I [TS]

01:44:49   think Amy had hinted at this earlier but to me it was actually to me a very [TS]

01:44:53   kindness that they did the George Lucas that they made kylo Ren so clearly like [TS]

01:44:59   anakin the not the Anakin that I wanted [TS]

01:45:02   Anakin to be but the Anakin that George Lucas wrote in the prequels I it you [TS]

01:45:09   know and then it works yet a difference of Fame they did a better Anakin right [TS]

01:45:13   and Han shoving the guy had the aliens mouth just killing the guy to me was [TS]

01:45:18   like hey Han Solo's the guy whose jobs guys into aliens and doesn't doesn't [TS]

01:45:22   worry about he doesn't wait for them to shoot first [TS]

01:45:25   yeah that guy's just standing there any punches him in the face and then and [TS]

01:45:28   then he takes a step back is like oh wait i can use this guy for something [TS]

01:45:33   more than grabbing the toes into the mouth of it [TS]

01:45:36   did alien I totally needlessly but i do I i do think that kind of establish this [TS]

01:45:46   is character a bit so again so next up though is we're all right i think its [TS]

01:45:56   next right it's after they escaped where they after they get off that freighter [TS]

01:46:01   where ya a blast out into light speed and then and meet masconomet it well no [TS]

01:46:09   but first he says to bb-8 let's see what you've got and he projects the map [TS]

01:46:13   oh yeah and gives the speech you know where where you know right and and [TS]

01:46:19   that's this to me is the point where it really really hit home to me that oh I [TS]

01:46:25   see what they're doing they're remaking the first film but different characters [TS]

01:46:28   are in different roles and it really hit me that Han is the new OB walk [TS]

01:46:34   yeah and standing in the sense but like right he's literally a couple seems [TS]

01:46:37   random anything alcon there will be one gave you know as I call the speech where [TS]

01:46:42   he explains what the forces to the heroes who are going to fill out the [TS]

01:46:48   rest of the trilogy and Han is giving the speech and he does a better job of [TS]

01:46:52   it i mean you know Alec Guinness was great but it's like when Han says you [TS]

01:46:56   know it's all real [TS]

01:46:57   it's like you know I'm fighting back tears like I'm choked up [TS]

01:47:01   yeah well housing for it has the the benefit of knowing the cultural wait [TS]

01:47:08   what he's saying was out dennis is like I going to do another movie about the [TS]

01:47:14   bridge of the required is [TS]

01:47:16   it was pretty great well so there's the speech on the Falcon and i love it and [TS]

01:47:21   it really works and it adds gravity and then just jump back ahead to where he [TS]

01:47:25   dies at the end he dies at the hands of the darth vader character and its [TS]

01:47:30   witnessed by the the new heroes who are younger and she's not just witnessed [TS]

01:47:36   they are incapable of interfering right intervening Act are helpless right there [TS]

01:47:41   helpless all they can do is watch and you know it hits home for the audience [TS]

01:47:50   this time in a way that when obi-wan got killed I will admit when I was a kid I [TS]

01:47:54   remember being surprised and I also remember being confused about the fact [TS]

01:47:57   that he disappeared and i thought well maybe because it's the only guy who gets [TS]

01:48:00   killed by a lightsaber in that movie and I'd this is another one of those things [TS]

01:48:04   where I very distinctly remember you know 1st 2nd grade arguing like whenever [TS]

01:48:09   anybody gets hit with a lightsaber do they just disappear and it wasn't until [TS]

01:48:14   Empire Strikes Back and you got to see Vader cut Luke's hand off that you know [TS]

01:48:19   the no it's just the thing that I just thought that was the Jedi thing because [TS]

01:48:22   we see even a new hope the jerk at the Barbizon travel yeah the only other guy [TS]

01:48:29   who gets killed by lightsabers the guy at the cantina and he didn't die but he [TS]

01:48:33   gets you know well i think you know I think he died [TS]

01:48:36   yeah but you can definitely lost a lot of blood we know it did more snow [TS]

01:48:43   already but i did he had a very bad day [TS]

01:48:46   this is the thing though that I remember thinking and I've always thought but [TS]

01:48:50   even as a little kid I really wasn't that happy with the way that will be one [TS]

01:48:54   went down and I realize what Lucas was going for that he was sacrificing [TS]

01:48:58   himself knowing that by doing this you know that they did luke and the others [TS]

01:49:03   could escape on the Falcon and that it was supposed to be some kind of symbolic [TS]

01:49:07   like zen-like state that he had reached that he was you know he's gonna reach [TS]

01:49:12   like some kind of higher plane of existence about loves em like smile on [TS]

01:49:16   its face it bothered me though I was like why not fight white maybe you could [TS]

01:49:20   beat this Darth Vader why did that's the thing know it bothered me [TS]

01:49:25   that he had it but at the end of Jedi that's exactly what how Luke wins now i [TS]

01:49:33   agree but I wanted me to defeat Vader and then just like okay look at I'm done [TS]

01:49:38   you have to kill me [TS]

01:49:40   you're gonna kill me whereas hon sacrifice here and letting letting this [TS]

01:49:44   guy letting kylo Ren killing me was that it was way more believable than then [TS]

01:49:51   obi-wan are not believable but to me it was more satisfying than moppy once and [TS]

01:49:55   I i know amy disagrees [TS]

01:49:58   yeah but i really do think it's satisfying i just i found nothing [TS]

01:50:03   satisfying about it [TS]

01:50:05   well okay okay we're not gonna let let's not so all be warned i was surprised to [TS]

01:50:12   it didn't make a lot of sense didn't register to me over the years have come [TS]

01:50:17   to kind of maybe even rationalize it [TS]

01:50:19   maybe I'm like maybe Star Wars is warped my brain enough time like now that's the [TS]

01:50:26   framework that I see things in and like I think of that kind of makes sense the [TS]

01:50:35   way I'm Soledad I think he's gonna die right at some point right right but it [TS]

01:50:44   was just me it was like this whole culmination of oh my gosh Star Wars is [TS]

01:50:48   back and oh my god this movie is fantastic and then oh my god they just [TS]

01:50:52   killed like a childhood hero like with obi-wan I was not as invested you know I [TS]

01:50:56   was a young kid yeah just I wasn't as invested and I just and as a young kid I [TS]

01:51:01   was like wow he's always gonna die anyway I'm they did they didn't kill Han [TS]

01:51:09   Han died making a choice right like he knew Jesus you can see the look on his [TS]

01:51:17   face before he like he's hiding me and that column also by the way [TS]

01:51:23   keller and not very good at using the force because what the hell like let me [TS]

01:51:29   see what you expected that what I feel and realizing this guy together behind [TS]

01:51:33   you [TS]

01:51:33   like come on like you an idiot anyway the girl never heard of the force he [TS]

01:51:39   seems alright hold on to hold that thought let's come back to let me just [TS]

01:51:43   finish up here and we got to get some of these other guests on the show I see him [TS]

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01:54:15   going to be nice to you because it's the last day of the year [TS]

01:54:18   that's the one day of the year it's his day [TS]

01:54:23   what about the fact that hot and what about the fact that han and Leia well [TS]

01:54:26   we're going to talk about the late superfight but here's a question what [TS]

01:54:29   about the fact that han and Leia don't kiss is that like that's a realistic / [TS]

01:54:33   portrayal of La they don't you know what they don't say we got divorced I love [TS]

01:54:37   you [TS]

01:54:38   yeah because you don't want a deep affection but they're not know they love [TS]

01:54:43   each other [TS]

01:54:44   it's fine it did they don't it's it's at you know you don't need to say it at [TS]

01:54:50   that . like it's not a haven't seen each other for a long time a seventh son is [TS]

01:54:58   that primary concern and so even able it's like I didn't want to get to be a [TS]

01:55:04   part I didn't want them to have broken up but I believed it like Amy said like [TS]

01:55:09   I just I do kind of believe that could work there just to halt at all and [TS]

01:55:14   they're both too used to being in charge [TS]

01:55:16   yeah i mean one who doesn't want to be and Sola who doesn't want to be [TS]

01:55:21   principally I spent my whole life [TS]

01:55:24   sure yeah i mean i wanted to be Princess Leia I wanted to be a combination of [TS]

01:55:28   Princess Leia Rizzo from grease and pinky Tuscadero from happy [TS]

01:55:31   hey this is so dating me yeah you know what you know for a coffee [TS]

01:55:36   he didn't pretty good i really really wanted to be here [TS]

01:55:42   alright so here's what we've been a hot you know [TS]

01:55:46   come on Hans gonna screw it up and introduce I i believe in actually and I [TS]

01:55:49   I thought that was gonna screw it up and you know what she's not gonna take it [TS]

01:55:53   like that exactly she's not gonna be like well let on behind she's gonna say [TS]

01:55:57   screw you [TS]

01:55:58   about right I feel like if they would have like you know like I feel like he [TS]

01:56:03   missed her way more than she missed him i plied i agree with that [TS]

01:56:07   definitely yeah and I said well that's when he keeps running right right she's [TS]

01:56:13   not scared to get off that troop transport and say hi to him and he's [TS]

01:56:17   like get ok that it doesn't like it when I get hey it doesn't want to see me [TS]

01:56:22   yeah he's like yeah he goes to see your mom's kannada to get the droid back to [TS]

01:56:27   the resistance because he's scared of facing Leia well alright here's the [TS]

01:56:34   here's the last two things I want to talk about I want to talk about maz [TS]

01:56:36   kanata's what's-her-name to knock out Mama's I'll just call her mom want to [TS]

01:56:41   talk about that and maybe going out there and then I want to talk about the [TS]

01:56:44   lightsaber fight at the end and with don't care which order which way it will [TS]

01:56:49   go in chronological order so we'll talk about mods first I felt like that was [TS]

01:56:53   probably the worst scene of the movie is that it just felt I the potential was [TS]

01:56:59   there and I like the ID the whole idea of it but it just didn't it just didn't [TS]

01:57:04   seem right [TS]

01:57:06   I'm not sure why she's ej character well yeah I found her very distracting i [TS]

01:57:10   found that character distracting because she just looked out of place she looked [TS]

01:57:14   like one of the characters from the prequels like yeah right right and she's [TS]

01:57:18   an amazing actress I think maybe they're trying to go for the yoga thing but it [TS]

01:57:21   was like yeah yes she was trying to give like a Yoda vibe and i have met [TS]

01:57:26   actresses like tall and slender like it's very didn't have co2 they can ya [TS]

01:57:31   heard [TS]

01:57:32   you know it's like it in the now that I'm not afraid of spoilers looking into [TS]

01:57:36   it that whole scene was rewritten and that the the actress who played how to [TS]

01:57:41   come in and rerecord all over lines that like her way it was originally written [TS]

01:57:44   was different like to the point where at one point she says you know I'm no Jedi [TS]

01:57:55   but I know I I know the force and that apparently in earlier drafts that was [TS]

01:57:59   more clear that she had the force in that [TS]

01:58:03   I actually just ordered the book Renee was on this show the previous episode to [TS]

01:58:09   this and Renee told me about this book the the making of star wars the force [TS]

01:58:12   awakens so i ordered the book but one of the things in the book it you know has [TS]

01:58:16   all these effects shots and stuff like that including some that aren't being [TS]

01:58:20   over cut from the movie but apparently one of the scenes that was cut was in [TS]

01:58:24   the Battle that breaks out you know after the show on her planet when the [TS]

01:58:30   tie fighters are busting up her bar and everything [TS]

01:58:34   there's like a part of the building is going to topple and might hit fin or [TS]

01:58:38   something like that and she uses the Force to like keep the blocks from [TS]

01:58:42   hitting him huh made more sense because what she just did like a Jedi groupie [TS]

01:58:47   like why does she know so much about it and it would make more sense [TS]

01:58:53   well I'm okay with her just being a scholar of the force sensitive i guess [TS]

01:58:59   like having all the weird for streams and like being in tune with that kind of [TS]

01:59:04   want them part of it with the other thing I've read when i looked up who max [TS]

01:59:08   max von sydow his character is this lor san tekka at least I mean who knows [TS]

01:59:14   because the it's max and sedo like safety just be named that character well [TS]

01:59:18   in his character is apparently according to the wikipedia is a he's like a but a [TS]

01:59:26   priest in the church of the force or something like that and so they're not [TS]

01:59:30   Jedi but they're like it's like another sect of good guys who use the Force and [TS]

01:59:36   I think it's similar to the way that these Knights of Ren aren't Sith but [TS]

01:59:40   they are bad guys who use the dark side of the force and the just I've gotten [TS]

01:59:47   from this is that in this you know they're there broadening the view the [TS]

01:59:50   galaxy and the force to the point where it's you know [TS]

01:59:53   yes there are Jedi and their sixth or there were at least maybe the third dead [TS]

01:59:57   but that they're not the only two groups that [TS]

01:59:57   but that they're not the only two groups that [TS]

02:00:00   use the Force I don't know but it seemed to me like this [TS]

02:00:04   Maz was clearly supposed to be somehow you know and that's how she got the [TS]

02:00:08   lightsaber that she's you know she's got the force in some way but it just the [TS]

02:00:15   way that it came out on screen just felt like blah right there is no explanation [TS]

02:00:21   yeah definitely didn't really them and I did love that flashback scene there [TS]

02:00:28   flash back forward sideways whatever the hell that was like that the force dream [TS]

02:00:35   that David she three first touches it right yeah yeah I feel like there's a [TS]

02:00:40   lot of secrets in there like there's a yeah there's somebody there is i guess [TS]

02:00:45   i'll put a link to and show notes but I was probably more but somebody I god [TS]

02:00:50   bless them but I I you know somebody like obviously was videotaping the whole [TS]

02:00:55   thing on their iPhone and posted a whole bunch of pictures to read it or [TS]

02:01:00   somewhere but there's a whole bunch of stuff in there including the fact that [TS]

02:01:03   it's you know at one point when you hear her name called out its obi-wan Kenobi [TS]

02:01:09   Kenobi call yeah yeah yeah that's it [TS]

02:01:15   that being said to move so everyone can know because that Ray and it's actually [TS]

02:01:20   Alec Guinness voice right did youdid you john told me this story but if you try [TS]

02:01:26   to remember where you heard it at like a so JJ Abrams was that some kind of oh [TS]

02:01:31   yeah it was JJ yeah okay so it was again in public so yeah again it was on page [TS]

02:01:36   and like a screenwriter guild event for the force awakens and JJ said that they [TS]

02:01:41   they brought in [TS]

02:01:44   what's that was the young obi-wan what's-his-name room where the most [TS]

02:01:48   recent one is the guy did finally a one-word you and mcgregor doing McGregor [TS]

02:01:53   well whatever the date so the guy did it for the cloning was recorded it all [TS]

02:01:58   first [TS]

02:01:59   yes so the guy had income was quick he gradually got replaced and it's like [TS]

02:02:04   anyway they got you in mcgregor and so they were going to throw out the clone [TS]

02:02:08   war guys thing and using the Gregor's and then some of the sound guys found an [TS]

02:02:13   old clip of Alec Guinness where he said forget what the trade was afraid right [TS]

02:02:20   he was saying the word grade and they you know I don't even think from Star [TS]

02:02:25   Wars gotta switch on but yeah who knows but they found Alec Guinness saying the [TS]

02:02:30   word afraid and clipped it and that just the the rape part of the word afraid it [TS]

02:02:35   not only was Alec Guinness his voice like JJ said it was exactly the way I [TS]

02:02:39   would have if I could direct him to say it was exactly the way I would tell them [TS]

02:02:43   to say ray they mix it well yeah so they make yet you and measures just sort of [TS]

02:02:48   get like 10 right no well it could get into that a bit they had friends come in [TS]

02:02:54   to do the unit beginning what was the yoda bit at the like right when she [TS]

02:03:03   starts tripping balls he says something about and she hears your to say [TS]

02:03:09   something but like oh it binds us [TS]

02:03:10   it surrounds us all right like that kind of like forced like the beginning of the [TS]

02:03:15   for speech that she added the yarder gives so here's a question Empire do you [TS]

02:03:21   think that the like in the next movie now that would Luke is back [TS]

02:03:26   do you think Luke can still communicate with obi-wan and Yoda or is there like a [TS]

02:03:31   like a time limit you know like like after your age I even if you know the [TS]

02:03:36   trick that those guys know where you can still communicate with other Jedi after [TS]

02:03:40   you died [TS]

02:03:41   is there like you know as the years go on it gets weaker and weaker you know [TS]

02:03:45   like a battery running out or something where I think we were most likely to [TS]

02:03:50   find Luke broken [TS]

02:03:51   I think he's a terrible alcoholic yeah i do I think and it's not alcohol it's [TS]

02:03:57   like just a like he's a meditation how that could could you with you there's [TS]

02:04:01   like a lot and yoga whatever he does he had he not [TS]

02:04:05   yeah no I think he's broken i mean you can tell by that last scene worries [TS]

02:04:13   well first of all he just run away and disengaged [TS]

02:04:16   yeah it seemed like they could really use no way am I think it really is [TS]

02:04:21   help yeah you think little bit and he's just not involved and I i think i think [TS]

02:04:29   ray and him are going to rehabilitate each other in some kind of way he's [TS]

02:04:35   gonna be the yoda yeah it's gonna be a DoD and that's going to give him I i I [TS]

02:04:42   don't I don't know I kind of think that each one of these movies is gonna kill [TS]

02:04:47   off on every old people have had hand go a later Luke is gonna be next and then [TS]

02:04:54   his left will be the last one can Leia we can't go i don't think you can kill [TS]

02:05:00   Luke oh you gotta kill Luke we can kill me the next movement kind of right now [TS]

02:05:04   what about all right why don't you can you hand solo is here you can't kill and [TS]

02:05:12   exactly party [TS]

02:05:14   what about the fact that they they're only going to make three of these and I [TS]

02:05:19   know there's there's these offshoot movies you know there's going to be a [TS]

02:05:22   boba fett movie and ya gonna be able seven is also Jung Han Solo on land [TS]

02:05:27   owned which i think sounds like a disaster i think i'd just do it like [TS]

02:05:31   yeah I know I don't even get river phoenix to play [TS]

02:05:38   I'm just saying you can't get him he's not and he's like it was totally his [TS]

02:05:47   asian picking up the phone but what about the fact that they they're only [TS]

02:05:52   going to make three there's episodes 789 they're only going to make three he was [TS]

02:05:57   available but they decided like for the interest of drama and secrecy that Luke [TS]

02:06:04   literally only appears in like 30 seconds the last 30 seconds of the film [TS]

02:06:07   and doesn't have a line was it a wasted opportunity [TS]

02:06:11   no no no they used them exactly what they wanted to use them i think [TS]

02:06:17   I think they used him well he is the again getting back to the metal thing [TS]

02:06:23   Luke Skywalker has been our hero in the mean effectively ended the three movies [TS]

02:06:28   that matter like the original trilogy and this movie is about resetting [TS]

02:06:35   everything and getting us back to to you know to every word to be finding what it [TS]

02:06:44   is to be star wars fans that's why artoo wakes up and then we have like a five [TS]

02:06:50   minute and then you MA and then we have Ray our new hero handing the baton [TS]

02:06:59   little lick and I've said this before tea John but like literally it's a baton [TS]

02:07:03   like it it's like you can't make it more obviously trying to hand the baton back [TS]

02:07:08   to luke and I think that's just a visual storytelling very metaphorical I you [TS]

02:07:20   know trying to bring back like it it's a it's passing the baton from they all go [TS]

02:07:25   to the new girl but its flipped on its head kind of video no optimistic i think [TS]

02:07:30   mark hamill just needs more acting lessons they were like just turn around [TS]

02:07:33   at the end thats good didn't he got it [TS]

02:07:36   yes Lee he works a lot he's just like a lot of voice work he's on TV [TS]

02:07:41   yes the Joker in the enemy batman animated yeah week any in the video [TS]

02:07:46   games but there's a good and he does a lot of voice I think okay sure thing I'm [TS]

02:07:52   he's ugly i'm saying is about actor he's always been a bad actors [TS]

02:07:57   well now you know what else bad actors of biz he's being I don't know a gross [TS]

02:08:08   actor and I mean gross not in like disgusting but in like a cigarette bad [TS]

02:08:12   he likes he is he / emphasizes like it'sit's very stage aqui kind of thing [TS]

02:08:21   that he does like the Joker like the joker in batman the animated series [TS]

02:08:26   anyway I don't think he needed line i think they used them exactly the way [TS]

02:08:32   they want them to be used but using them this way means we'll never get to see on [TS]

02:08:36   and Luke together again [TS]

02:08:38   I know oh that's okay to me he know what I didn't like them together any not [TS]

02:08:45   gonna get that I'm not wasting my time [TS]

02:08:49   wait so let's go back and try to figure out when his last time we saw it [TS]

02:08:54   together on and all right yeah and or they definitely knew our village right [TS]

02:08:58   in the Ewok village [TS]

02:08:59   how do you guys remember like all the planets like i confuse the Wookiee [TS]

02:09:04   planet with that one [TS]

02:09:06   Led Zeppelin album like I'm not sure she can get them confused all the time like [TS]

02:09:13   what's your favorite led zeppelin album Cassie and he's like that's the Wookiee [TS]

02:09:16   planet perfect i just really love the movie and I but I don't have like an [TS]

02:09:24   encyclopedia like Jonas has encyclopedias of this stuff that was [TS]

02:09:28   actually another one of my complaint so about mazza's the whole thing on Mars [TS]

02:09:32   planet was that her planet that's what I don't remember it it's really uh it [TS]

02:09:37   think it starts with an i and it look no Gina it looked too much like the planet [TS]

02:09:42   where the resistance was headquartered you know it's just sort of like a yeah [TS]

02:09:46   even for looking being within forests and rivers and stuff like that [TS]

02:09:52   well I've always kind of made fun of stores for having like a one planet is [TS]

02:09:59   all is one finds all desert and like one planet is a fantastic [TS]

02:10:03   you gotta run edibles pretty quick even so like what I don't know these desert [TS]

02:10:08   people move that is a smart kid yeah like the Wookiee planet is lush yeah [TS]

02:10:18   cash man [TS]

02:10:19   tena sure my favorite alright my definitely [TS]

02:10:23   I what I do want you we touched on it before I want to talk about the [TS]

02:10:26   lightsaber fight at the end of the movie yeah we're going to talk about the bags [TS]

02:10:29   at some point too well yea yea or i thought the lightsaber fight was [TS]

02:10:33   incredibly well done [TS]

02:10:35   and you can quibble about the fact that you know well how would ray hold her own [TS]

02:10:40   without any training you know but you know to me it's just she's super strong [TS]

02:10:43   in the force and that cut and kylo Ren is not really that good so color and [TS]

02:10:50   sucks at pretty much everything which any I feel your pain [TS]

02:10:55   I really did life is bad and you know what like okay you know bad thing aside [TS]

02:11:01   i hate the way i like he's not good enough to be Han and Leia son like he's [TS]

02:11:08   just not good enough [TS]

02:11:09   like how could they ever but it's like I guess it's like Han says you know [TS]

02:11:12   there's too much Vader in him [TS]

02:11:14   yeah you know where too much Anakin really yeah well there was often help [TS]

02:11:19   either but there's too much Anakin it so a he got shot by Chewbacca ok uncle [TS]

02:11:28   chewy shot him but good shit yeah because if you think about it though you [TS]

02:11:35   have to think that when he was a kid you know until he went bad there's no way [TS]

02:11:40   Chewbacca didn't change his diapers right and then yeah I totally called out [TS]

02:11:45   shoot the guy what a moral dilemma for Chuy really tsubaki's things actually a [TS]

02:11:56   t-shirt then take down taking you down you might even faster [TS]

02:12:00   oh now their hands out of the picture boom yeah finally get to kill you [TS]

02:12:04   I i really liked the lightsaber fight fight i thought that it was what what [TS]

02:12:09   the lightsaber fights were supposed to be like which is like a good sword fight [TS]

02:12:13   in a comfy movie I love both of them and I and not you know force powered people [TS]

02:12:19   doing 40-foot triple Lindsay jumps in the air you know and and doing all this [TS]

02:12:25   fantastic stuff isn't just a couple of people like chasing and type in tight [TS]

02:12:29   quarters swing and lightsabers at each other [TS]

02:12:32   yeah i like the idea that you can be trained and be competent with lifesaver [TS]

02:12:38   but it was some random dude like Finn picks up a lightsaber and he's you know [TS]

02:12:45   he's got some kind of he's a soldier is then we've seen the soldiers use the [TS]

02:12:50   that crazy baton thing really random movie is you know he's not incompetent [TS]

02:12:56   elected he can hold his own for a few minutes i locate i like the idea that [TS]

02:13:01   maybe like the stormtroopers as part of their standard training are trained [TS]

02:13:05   specifically just like anti Luke Skywalker like we don't even know where [TS]

02:13:09   this Luke Skywalker is but if he comes back we wanted to have some training [TS]

02:13:12   against a guy using a lighter well so I've got the the force awakens visual [TS]

02:13:20   dictionary thing here and did you notice that the guy did as the baton like he [TS]

02:13:26   drops his guard but he's holding shield the same time it's like basically right [TS]

02:13:30   here and and he starts beating on him with his right ear baton kinda thing so [TS]

02:13:37   yeah like that i am totally cool with the idea that like a stormtrooper broken [TS]

02:13:41   have some kind of basic training and he's not he's actually not goody-good [TS]

02:13:46   girl has been destroyed and like halloween is but he's definitely playing [TS]

02:13:49   with it but that doesn't have any and everybody let her have it let her [TS]

02:13:53   exactly you know that she's gonna kick ass any he manages to kick so here's the [TS]

02:13:57   thing he hits a color and the shoulder and then that's it like to like the [TS]

02:14:01   lightsaber goes flying after that like Alice what kind of piece of shit dude [TS]

02:14:06   with the force gets hit by an old storm trooper with a lightsaber [TS]

02:14:09   well he has been hit by uncle Chung Kuo Chui had taken a chunk it bleeding yeah [TS]

02:14:15   but he's also arrogant yeah he's not good he is not he's just not he's he's [TS]

02:14:23   not competent he's like not competent that's like and he knows he's not [TS]

02:14:28   competent which is I think he had driving character like yeah that's it's [TS]

02:14:33   bad [TS]

02:14:34   alright yeah we got we got it and then you gotta wrap it up soon but you talk [TS]

02:14:39   about something two hours [TS]

02:14:41   well I don't we might have to cut some of the special guests but we got to talk [TS]

02:14:44   about this [TS]

02:14:45   supreme leader Snoke row this smoke that it didn't make any sense why did it look [TS]

02:14:50   like call and that [TS]

02:14:51   is another like CGI distracting thing that I thought didn't fit in with the [TS]

02:14:55   whole movie that was that is my least favorite thing and it seemed like there [TS]

02:15:00   was like is he a projection like is that what it like is a hologram and he's [TS]

02:15:06   bigger than you and really he's like a little warm [TS]

02:15:09   well we don't know how big is his and human size is he like yoda sighs or is [TS]

02:15:13   he actually like nine feet tall or something [TS]

02:15:15   I think it hurt somebody said that is normal size a but he's obviously being [TS]

02:15:22   like an ilm think you could have been like night the way you're supposed to [TS]

02:15:26   get out of it though is that like hologram technology has improved in the [TS]

02:15:29   last 30 years such that he looks like he's actually in the room 40 feet tall [TS]

02:15:35   in the first time we see him when he's talking to kylo Ren and general Hux or [TS]

02:15:40   add Mohawks whatever his title is yea general and the way that it looks like [TS]

02:15:47   he's there and I had a bad guy i thought oh my god are they trying to tell me [TS]

02:15:51   that this guy is 40 feet tall because that's ridiculous and then when he [TS]

02:15:54   disappeared it was like oh I get it it's just that hologram technology has gotten [TS]

02:15:58   high def he's just on a big screen [TS]

02:16:02   I don't like that guy I don't like the way it looks I don't know why you would [TS]

02:16:06   make him [TS]

02:16:07   cg star wars ii to me like he didn't look right I guess maybe I am influenced [TS]

02:16:13   by the fact that he does look like Gollum but like it just it totally [TS]

02:16:18   didn't fit just against I don't understand them at all [TS]

02:16:22   they keep going back to him right it's not like they had like one scene it's [TS]

02:16:26   like okay I can figure that keep moving pages cases keep trying over and over i [TS]

02:16:32   don't even it's always it's always like a meeting like when you screwed [TS]

02:16:36   everything up [TS]

02:16:37   what do you think we should do everything I don't know you're [TS]

02:16:41   incompetent boobs like blow off on the planet by get it don't find somebody [TS]

02:16:45   better like even like John said his name isn't good it's like that's like your [TS]

02:16:50   kids like teddy bear Snoke know like it's the worst and he's the Snoke [TS]

02:16:56   family unit came leader Snoke stupid I really I and it left me thinking you [TS]

02:17:04   know because i'm a moron so it left me thinking about a totally inconsequential [TS]

02:17:08   plot point like I'm missing the movie because I'm like what's going on here [TS]

02:17:11   but most of the other new names are good like Ray is a good name [TS]

02:17:15   Finn is greatly i love rain is a good name Iran is a good name and the name [TS]

02:17:19   was so first of all cut no color n his actual first name before he went bad is [TS]

02:17:28   Ben oh alright then when Ray things get way too i forgot it here it's like [TS]

02:17:37   everything's a little bit too close for that's a good moment though when wen Han [TS]

02:17:41   Solo call kind of thing [TS]

02:17:43   yeah that's yeah that was like you can hear it i rolled my eyes because it's [TS]

02:17:51   the beginning of the end for your concern your IQ this screws movie hit [TS]

02:17:56   you rolled your eyes because you were busy like pouring petrol intellectual [TS]

02:18:00   coke bottle and like trying to light the fuse no i didnt brought that cyanide [TS]

02:18:05   pill to this movie I was not know I didn't know fire but let's just stick [TS]

02:18:09   with a firebomb what else we want to talk about before we run so the actual [TS]

02:18:15   lights in magic plane array and important to me [TS]

02:18:20   alright here's a question of rate everything the next movies does ray [TS]

02:18:24   build her own lightsaber because that's what Jedi's doers she had to give you [TS]

02:18:28   the Lincoln's she just uses and she loses it at the end of the second movie [TS]

02:18:34   i think that i think she uses that I think everything and it's obviously [TS]

02:18:39   spoke to her you know [TS]

02:18:42   yeah i think so but I think she's gonna lose himself in movie and loses a white [TS]

02:18:47   silver I think she wants i am i'm kind of surprised I didn't try to build one [TS]

02:18:53   I thought you might have cut color and sand off I don't know what else we want [TS]

02:18:58   to talk about what you do you think ray is going to have our own lightsaber [TS]

02:19:01   anything she's going to continue to use look I think she's gonna lose it at the [TS]

02:19:05   midpoint like she's gonna lose the next [TS]

02:19:08   next episode as they gotta sell more lightsabers well be looking at is that [TS]

02:19:14   know that yeah sure why not [TS]

02:19:16   that's the cynical way of looking at that that's fine and maybe I just in [TS]

02:19:21   terms of if we continue is kind of the mirroring aspect of always and she's [TS]

02:19:27   gonna have to lose it right so let's talk about Carrie Fisher like how many [TS]

02:19:31   fucks does she not give I love her press tours for that she gives zero fucks me [TS]

02:19:38   she brings her janky little dog [TS]

02:19:42   I have never wanted to have sex with Carrie Fisher more they wanna wavelength [TS]

02:19:48   no not let yeah exactly like Kate you know young boy kind of thing like holy [TS]

02:19:52   shit look at this like it woman and Carrie Fisher is just the best [TS]

02:19:58   she's amazing she's really really good [TS]

02:20:01   she seems we have fun yeah like she's having fun and she's just saying all the [TS]

02:20:06   shit she's wanted to say just checked through its it and then you get those [TS]

02:20:11   tweets about because it is true like she got judged on her looks and I think I [TS]

02:20:16   thought she looked amazing [TS]

02:20:18   if anything i can like Botox which only to me i noticed because they like Han [TS]

02:20:24   Solo be all like grizzled and he's way older right he's older than yeah he's [TS]

02:20:28   quite yet yea even ideas already said yet like she's like got a lot of Botox [TS]

02:20:34   and I just don't think that's fair and i think that if it would have been up to [TS]

02:20:37   carry Fisher she would have been like fuck you I'm not losing weight fuck [TS]

02:20:40   you're not doing anyone haha i don't i just i just like I just I yeah I have a [TS]

02:20:45   lot of NHL guess what she doesn't look 24 and yeah it's already expect you know [TS]

02:20:53   what I feel like she feels and sounds and looks like old Princess Leia in a [TS]

02:21:01   way through some shit but in a way that it in a way that Harrison Ford doesn't [TS]

02:21:06   inhabit well what about in the in the goofy Kingdom of the Crystal Skull [TS]

02:21:11   Indiana Jones movie The the actress who plays Marion to me is like [TS]

02:21:15   unrecognizable [TS]

02:21:16   that's like it doesn't feel like Mary [TS]

02:21:19   at all it doesn't feel like like somehow there it just every everything from just [TS]

02:21:25   the way she looks to the interaction that the two characters have does not [TS]

02:21:29   feel like indian marion back together again it just feels Hollow and [TS]

02:21:34   pantomimed yeah in a way that Leia feels like wow that's that's 30 years older [TS]

02:21:40   Princess Leia yeah and she's in charge right right yeah kicking some ass and a [TS]

02:21:48   solo still way over stretching himself [TS]

02:21:51   alrighty still a little bit fuck up you know what i mean is always a fucking but [TS]

02:21:55   yet it at this point is that he's everything look at that little better [TS]

02:22:00   because he's old [TS]

02:22:01   well yeah like that that means that the gangs which was telling my kids nobody [TS]

02:22:05   else to screw over the galaxy like you you're done there's no died later on the [TS]

02:22:15   other hand is kind of on the top of the game she's like no looks cool come i got [TS]

02:22:20   my shit together and taking care of business and landing on the battleship [TS]

02:22:24   that over yet to the transport right after battle like yeah she's better she [TS]

02:22:31   makes a bit more sense to me then then hand us although i can't see hand being [TS]

02:22:35   its kind of stubborn idiot that would still be getting himself into those kind [TS]

02:22:39   of situations in his seventies right like a self-destructive streak [TS]

02:22:44   yeah well how that will get any [TS]

02:22:52   we're not going to talk about it you know what this felt so cathartic to get [TS]

02:22:57   it out [TS]

02:22:57   that's good okay his eyesight I can't talk about it on Twitter and like [TS]

02:23:01   everybody's like Star Wars is so amazing and I just want to scream [TS]

02:23:05   screw you the solar yeah give it a week something so will you will you go see [TS]

02:23:10   the movie again I I feel like maybe i need another week but it's it's [TS]

02:23:16   mellowing i texted my best friend like when it happened and I was like did you [TS]

02:23:21   see it and thank God she said yes and I was like oh my god I'm inconsolably and [TS]

02:23:25   she was like you know what you should do you should watch empire that will make [TS]

02:23:29   you feel better if you were strikes back and she's like and just know that he [TS]

02:23:33   really wanted out like he he's he's always wanted out and so like he's happy [TS]

02:23:38   now and that helped help the little guy did you see it in 3d or did you did in [TS]

02:23:44   all three times really icy highway I don't like 3d so I didn't I haven't seen [TS]

02:23:50   it but I think the 3d for this was pretty good but i'm thinking your dark [TS]

02:23:54   I'm not all that I've seen it twice i'm thinking maybe i will see it if i go see [TS]

02:23:57   the third time [TS]

02:23:58   well I will but I think maybe I should go see it in 3d [TS]

02:24:01   while it's in theaters i will definitely do not do 3d like it huh yeah I'm gonna [TS]

02:24:07   go try to see it today but yeah you should see it you know what I'd be [TS]

02:24:10   interested to hear if you saw it in 2d because then i also i read that 3d is [TS]

02:24:15   not bad like we've seen so many bad no no this is good then I've heard to that [TS]

02:24:19   in 3d wasn't that different that it wasn't like I believe that because it's [TS]

02:24:25   not a not overly top left me [TS]

02:24:28   yeah there's maybe one shot that i think is a bit extreme and it there is like if [TS]

02:24:35   started it so this is a shot of a starter store on the screen [TS]

02:24:41   mmm like an establishing shot and in 3d it's like in-your-face like right up [TS]

02:24:47   there [TS]

02:24:48   I don't know what it looks like in 2d but well maybe i'll try it will let the [TS]

02:24:52   healing begin [TS]

02:24:53   maybe I'm ready yeah it's oh yeah I Duplantis in 2d by you know you can I [TS]

02:24:59   mean [TS]

02:25:00   you gotta go see it in 3d windows and I guess the day and they did not phone [TS]

02:25:04   this and I think it's a you know they did a good job [TS]

02:25:08   alright and I and like you I'm not a 3d guy any final thoughts that you want to [TS]

02:25:12   say before we wrap things up that I'm sorry I mean that Han Solo had to die i [TS]

02:25:18   appreciate I appreciate your sympathy and here's a question you think [TS]

02:25:22   Chewbacca is going to remain a major character or just he dropped down to be [TS]

02:25:27   like a peripheral card no Chewbacca is gonna be the easy [TS]

02:25:31   he's a test right now right oh yeah really even if she trains I think ray [TS]

02:25:38   keep rain Chuy keep the Millennium Falcon Michael he's gonna have a special [TS]

02:25:42   affinity for because he knew that hon had an affinity for yeah it's gonna be [TS]

02:25:47   nice to see you don't that's too bad tree Cadillacs you in a sense the thing [TS]

02:25:52   that occurred to me is that the the job offer that on offered her to come on you [TS]

02:25:58   know [TS]

02:25:58   come on board the Millennium Falcon with chewy she ended up taking it you know [TS]

02:26:02   towns just not there to how creative it though that she like turned it down at [TS]

02:26:06   first I love her yeah she says well she's gotta get back to jakku and I'm do [TS]

02:26:13   that loaded feels like why why people want to go back to the planet [TS]

02:26:20   what is going on with you it you know what we didn't even talk about like my [TS]

02:26:25   one of my favorite parts where she's like stop grabbing my hand but ya love [TS]

02:26:30   ya I loved that part I thought that was so great [TS]

02:26:33   yeah stop why are you grabbing my hand after like independent streak of [TS]

02:26:39   Princess Leia but yet she's got like the mechanical skills that are usually [TS]

02:26:44   reserved for men in these movies like a fantastic idea but JJ Abrams totally [TS]

02:26:50   suckered me in with the the first scene where her and Finn meet in the market [TS]

02:26:55   and the the guys who were told they steal that droid from her are attacking [TS]

02:27:00   her and you cut the fin and you see it's like this is we're back in a moment Finn [TS]

02:27:06   you can say he's out for himself but he's gonna help her right and then I was [TS]

02:27:10   totally and I get it [TS]

02:27:11   he doesn't know where from a dream it's just like a this girl's in trouble i'm [TS]

02:27:14   gonna and instead it's I was totally suckered in as as JJ Abrams intended me [TS]

02:27:20   to be that thinking he's gonna rescue her and the next thing you know he's [TS]

02:27:24   like oh and she said she's kicked all three guys asses and she's like [TS]

02:27:29   unscathed and it's like oh this is a different type [TS]

02:27:32   yeah and then bb-8 like hey that guy's got ya jacket yeah it's like wait what [TS]

02:27:42   you're right you're right because then it immediately away not having just [TS]

02:27:47   gotten that she didn't need to be rescued but immediately she's like got [TS]

02:27:50   him on his ass and is there like I might get back the jacket can pick that the [TS]

02:27:55   next target [TS]

02:27:56   yeah and bb-8 keeps electrocuting him that I don't know so grated such a great [TS]

02:28:05   female character and it never felt gratuitous like it never felt like okay [TS]

02:28:10   now we're doing something you know so the girls won't complain like truly a [TS]

02:28:13   great [TS]

02:28:14   no no don't let it though ya know not even like this not sexualize there's not [TS]

02:28:20   even now shake em like mild romance but not even like right right [TS]

02:28:26   no star wars ii star was a very strong star wars he had it i mean they kept it [TS]

02:28:31   to a kiss but yea even less than the individual sellers and say yeah yeah it [TS]

02:28:38   makes me wanna we should have more children like have a girl because I just [TS]

02:28:42   wanted to see this movie [TS]

02:28:43   ok oh wait sorry not me [TS]

02:28:47   ok alright guys thank you thank you for doing my apologies to the kids [TS]

02:28:54   especially yes you did not [TS]

02:28:55   we're gonna have to cut it short my apologies everybody heading in the green [TS]

02:28:59   room [TS]

02:29:00   yeah peace and Thompson I hope they're watching a child [TS]