0:00:00alright don't know jack hammer is no law no instruments thank god it was the
0:00:07funniest coincident over there any way certainly Caldwell is here yesterday we
0:00:11tried to record this episode and I had a jackhammer outside my window and then
0:00:16when that stopped a long career shutout outside surrendered his window with a
0:00:22rock mark the the biggest one more I've ever seen for a portable on group it was
0:00:27quite something but not very conducive to podcasting what that Big John Deere
0:00:32that was fixin never did get pretty much that we know easier louder that's right
0:00:40you never did never to fix the tractor whatever the MacGuffin tractor right so
0:00:49I don't have a lot going on new iMacs no no no no no MacBooks no new MacBooks
0:00:57they are still on the on the watch list I don't know if we'll get new MacBooks
0:01:00before the end of the year I would have guessed I think if we would have it
0:01:03would have happened all at once
0:01:04yeah yeah I don't see there's no need to have a third nonexistent event this is
0:01:11where I being a podcaster I'm starting to get lazy I'm not super well informed
0:01:15on the new iMacs are you
0:01:17yeah I mean I guess I got you covered john Payne got the information a little
0:01:26bit early and was able to basically an FAQ of epic proportions to fill out so
0:01:31we've got new 21.5 inch iMacs is the biggest news and they are for cairo it's
0:01:38only like the original 27 inch iMac it's only the top end model that threaten us
0:01:44you can still get 21.5 inch iMac Center your normal for her than average
0:01:51resolution quality in comparison to the rest of the Mac and iOS line but those
0:01:56started I think $14.99
0:01:57finance for K or slightly more than four ka think it's like fork 8.5 with in
0:02:05cruised color definition they're using the same I don't know the phrase off the
0:02:12top of my head because of a bad film student but they're basically using the
0:02:14same color profiles as you would with the digital projectors so it allows it
0:02:20to be more true to life when you're editing when your color correcting video
0:02:23and photo photography and the 27 inch iMacs get that you don't get a boost
0:02:28above their five k they're still five K and medical and fire to just get sucked
0:02:35into their beautiful screen but they also have improved definition and they
0:02:39get sky Lake Intel's next-generation processor has been a long time coming
0:02:45but no Thunderbolt three and the 21.5 inch iMacs are still stuck on rockwell's
0:02:51because the integrated Intel processor graphics processor doesn't play nice
0:02:56with yet because route maps yeah so now my year old 5 can act it is outdated a
0:03:06little bit outdated I was eight I was looking at some of the best I think
0:03:08Jason Snell's review had a national benchmarks from deep bench and it was
0:03:12saying oh yeah the new 21.5 inch iMac outpaces 445 K 27 inch iMacs I'm kind of
0:03:20glad I waited now though I'm still I'm gonna go in for the 21.5 inches so the
0:03:2727 inches still gonna cook bacon with fancy sky like
0:03:32jumbled I don't feel too bad about it all you got a whole year as the king of
0:03:38the hill and I still subscribe to the III like to buy a Mac accident and then
0:03:44use it until four years until it gets low as I still find it even with Dropbox
0:03:49iCloud and other things I still find it takes me forever to get a Mac setup just
0:03:55the way I want yes even though I mean it's been it's gotten a lot better than
0:03:58it used to be where I still remember the days of just having to clone my hard
0:04:02drive because the idea of reinstalling all of my applications and to you my
0:04:07preferences just made me want
0:04:08throw up but yeah I i feel the same way I still have a 2008 MacBook Pro unibody
0:04:16MacBook Pro that I put an SSD end three years ago and it's still almost as fast
0:04:22as my macbook air it's a pain in the butt has its fifteen inches and it's not
0:04:27really a super portable machine and it's not right but it's one of those things
0:04:32where like it still perfectly good and it still fast I feel we're just being
0:04:38like no sorry you're gonna go in a drawer anywhere you really can't do that
0:04:42for an iMac no I i really I do what I did last year about this is I just
0:04:47bought the best one that they would so I just maxed out the RAM I got the one
0:04:52terabyte SST so you know it's like 3003 $3,500 money but my thinking is just max
0:05:04it out and I use it for at least four years and then by the time I upgraded
0:05:09but anyway it's the color stuff hurts a little bit because I think they are
0:05:15correct me if I'm wrong you probably know more about this to me to me that
0:05:18the old consumer gold standard was the sRGB color space yes correct and the
0:05:25basic gist if you just want to get a handle on this is that the new color
0:05:29space that that all of these retina displays both the 21 inches and the 27
0:05:36inch is significantly bigger than sRGB it's it's much more of a pro color space
0:05:42very much so I'm very very similar to the kind of output that you're going to
0:05:46get onto shore projectors and i'm looking up for days
0:05:49FAQ now so I can actually have specific terms they're using DCI P three which is
0:05:56the same color spaces by digital movie theaters and they're using a different
0:06:01led type display now it's a more advanced red green phosphor led which
0:06:09allows them to do better color balance and hit wider ranges of colors that
0:06:13combined with the new Ghostface really
0:06:15really makes for some crystal clear photos and video did not not that the
0:06:20five kids was hurting in that before but I do feel that professional professional
0:06:27editors are going to hear that and just be like why don't I own this machine why
0:06:35can't I just replace it away I can't I just have to spend a ton of money and I
0:06:39think it's funny it's funny the way that even with the max they're sort of as
0:06:44they marched towards this already
0:06:47lineup I mean it's it's year-by-year March for now it's by far the
0:06:53overwhelming majority of the project products are alright finally and it's
0:06:58funny the way it sort of follows like the president that they've set with the
0:07:02iPad's like to me that that 21 inch iMac is sorta like the iPad Mini compared to
0:07:11the iPad air which is the 27 inch iMac so it gets everything the year ahead
0:07:15because retina first now a year later you can only get the 27 engine red and
0:07:23the 21 inch does exactly what the 27 instead last year which is there's a
0:07:28high-end model with a Retina display but you can still get that done so my guess
0:07:33is by next year there will be no more naan bread IMAX
0:07:37their only be even higher resolution written IMAX yeah yeah i i really like
0:07:42this from a business standpoint it seems like a good way to rule things out at
0:07:47the lake over these displays are too expensive for your average user to want
0:07:51to wait till three thousand plus dollars so we're gonna put him in the high-end
0:07:55models for the people who are really going to appreciate them and be able to
0:07:58spend money on them and then the more money they spend on them the more orders
0:08:02that we can place with our suppliers the more orders we can place their suppliers
0:08:05we can bring the cost down and it just trickles down into the rest of the rest
0:08:10of the line the what he called the low end model I don't even know what it used
0:08:15to be but it's it is kind of its seems kinda wimpy
0:08:191690 like
0:08:23none of us really talk about her anymore I mean it's gotten away from us but when
0:08:28it's half the speed guards as the one that only $400 more kind of sticks out
0:08:35definitely an upsell I mean I have to assume that these the low-end models are
0:08:41really designed for the education market or they're designed for the folks who oh
0:08:45well you just need an iMac in your place of business or you need a iMac this
0:08:50essentially a glorified displayed to play a movie on education anymore
0:08:56because I think that this immense of Education has gone to laptop form
0:09:00factors of you know a lot of Chromebooks let's for sure no question but you know
0:09:07it doesn't seem to me like school and end is a practical aspect of that too
0:09:11like if you're gonna go with IMAX you need to set them up in a permanent spot
0:09:16whereas the whole just moving special election but I'm familiar with that my
0:09:22son with the elementary school it's that they can take the Chromebooks and the
0:09:28MacBooks out when they need them and work we know on the regular desks that
0:09:34they used for everything else yeah you don't need to go into a separate
0:09:36computer and I think I'm more and more thinking administration was exactly
0:09:40you're looking at your nonprofit's for people who really don't have a big
0:09:44budget for their electronics which is sad little bit in 2015 or if you're just
0:09:49gonna use it as the machine at the front desk for people to sign in or something
0:09:54and you really don't need performance if you haven't switched already to an iPad
0:09:58but also people complaining about 900 people are complaining that the hard
0:10:05drive is 5400 rpm yeah I'm I'm I would rather complain that they're not a
0:10:11sixties in the
0:10:12by default but you know if I guess we want to complain about hard drives
0:10:18we can complain about hard drives me but I think it has something to do with the
0:10:2121.5 inches 2.5 inch hard drive as opposed to a 3.5 inch drives so little
0:10:28bit trickier there ya in a weird way even though it's 21 inches it's sort of
0:10:33like that in some ways I think the guts of a laptop will when you think about
0:10:40how thin the twenty fun point five inch iMac is and just how much space of that
0:10:44has to be filled with oh you know giant retina display and cooling said giant
0:10:50Retina Display you really don't have all that much more area to put in high-level
0:10:56chips without necessary unless unless they figure out a way to flatten silicon
0:11:01even more like oh yes we're going to line the edges of the iMac display with
0:11:07with silicon chips now I did notice to the 21 in the storage for flash only
0:11:14goes up to 512
0:11:16a terabyte years but I guess that kind of makes sense I feel like there's a
0:11:20terabyte of fights towards is still very expensive relative to hard drive prices
0:11:26for sure and I guess once you're in that sort of budget range you're looking at
0:11:31the 27 inch anyway yeah when I was pricing out my 20 15 and for me i i
0:11:36prefer slightly the 20 15 space for my desk because I don't know the 27 inch
0:11:42thick is gorgeous but i feel myself getting lost in that space especially in
0:11:46retina it's just it's too much too much for me unless I'm editing video in which
0:11:50case I'll this is nice pixel for pixel for kate is great but when I was pricing
0:11:55out my 21.5 inch iMac
0:11:58I was looking at the braces like alright so I'm upgrade to a fusion drive and I'm
0:12:02upgrading the memory
0:12:05putting on a magic trackpad because and then i'm looking at the price I'm like
0:12:10this is basically the price of a mid-level high level 27 inch iMac and I
0:12:19yeah I think you're absolutely right where people look at that price like
0:12:22well but I could go bigger and bigger would make bigger is always better rate
0:12:27and the most part I i you know I get there are certain circumstances where I
0:12:32actually think a 21.5 is better than a twenty-seven but I think for the vast
0:12:35majority of users alike so I can get a bigger screen for the same amount of
0:12:38tweaking is you know I would pay for trying to upgrade the internals of a
0:12:43twenty 15 sign me up is all of the RAM you know this is the RAM soldered onto
0:12:50the motherboard is in the twenty 15 it is not in the twenty 1717 the 28th so
0:12:59it's just another way where there is sort of a consumer's last pro split
0:13:03between 21 and 27 it's very I think the 21 is still very much marketed towards
0:13:09the end even the entry level user but the user who either has their first Mac
0:13:15or is about to get their first Mac and needs a desktop or a laptop and iPad I
0:13:22kind of feel I i understand you know that there's a couple people on Twitter
0:13:27and email me about the soldering the RAM and it seems like that's a real sticking
0:13:32point for certain segment of the audience but I really feel like it's
0:13:36almost like we're lucky that you can do it I can hear the machines anymore just
0:13:40not the way of the future
0:13:43your computers from Apple come out of China completely set so my dad you know
0:13:52I i've you know take it you know so that the fact that you can still add you to
0:13:56do with the RAM on your own on the 27 inch take that as a win and I wouldn't
0:14:01lose much sleep over the 21.5 being you know you choose either 16 then live with
0:14:05it forever
0:14:07exactly I would I would much prefer to be able to
0:14:10to remove in and cuddle with Ram and there's a there's a model to do that but
0:14:15for the again the average user I just don't think there's now and I feel like
0:14:20it's another it's another way that the iOS devices again I i you know people
0:14:25keep asking Apple keeps saying no we're not going to have one operating system
0:14:29for everything and i really think that they're serious about it but they are
0:14:33you you can see where you know one platform is going by where the other
0:14:40platform is gone first and the iOS hardware model of there's nothing that
0:14:46you can alter or adjust there's no way to put a memory card in to expand the
0:14:53storage or anything like that is definitely the way the Mac is heading
0:14:57and I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing anymore I know there's a lot
0:15:04of people have been arms words repairable and what if I want to tinker
0:15:07with my computer Bild computer it's just not going to be from Apple I don't see
0:15:16that there's something wrong with Apple saying you know what we know what the
0:15:19best processors in the market are gonna be we know what the the best memories
0:15:23going to be and we're going to package it up in a in a package that actually
0:15:27makes sense for you as a user that would give you real world usage I mean we've
0:15:32never been able to tinker with an iPhone's internals I don't think
0:15:34anybody's complaining about that because most people wouldn't know how to even
0:15:37begin to solder microarchitecture it's only because the IMAX architecture is
0:15:42big enough that we at one point we're able to feasibly play around with it
0:15:46there were like yeah we can totally build a better computer that Apple no
0:15:49problem
0:15:49Apple's totally wrong you don't need a us-based you need more than 8 gigabytes
0:15:53of RAM and that I kinda agree with the general population but but still I I
0:15:58don't think it's necessarily a bad thing and then last you touch son has a few
0:16:03minutes ago but it's at this point and I don't think the macros down I think that
0:16:08there will be a new one
0:16:09some point but who knows when and you don't have to just look at the new Darth
0:16:16Vader Mac Pro you could just look back
0:16:19maybe even gone back close to 10 years now that the Mac Pro just does not see
0:16:24updates anywhere near on a yearly schedule no it doesn't make sense also
0:16:30to be perfectly honest because the Mac Pro as such different internals than the
0:16:35other the other two lines and because they're internals are very at least at
0:16:39this point very hog-tied to Intel's rollout schedule like it doesn't make
0:16:43sense for the for the Mac Pro to be updated until they can have a processor
0:16:47that has full Thunderbolt 3 functionality so they could you know say
0:16:50release the retina display with wonderful three so that people could
0:16:55have their therefore k display without an iMac but it doesn't like I don't know
0:17:00it seems it seems silly to me to push like incremental updates to the MacBook
0:17:04Pro or iMac the macro because the only the only people who are buying it are at
0:17:10this point are serious Bros because the my Mac has filled that kind of semi-pro
0:17:13hole so if you're buying a serious pro machine you're only gonna upgrade your
0:17:18serious Pro machine like we were talking about earlier when year old pro machine
0:17:22is about ready to die or if it does something so spectacularly different
0:17:27that is going to be better for you
0:17:28yeah but for some people I think it's clearly the the big iMac 27 inch iMac is
0:17:35the the proper Pro machine for them like I'm thinking like the top especially
0:17:40like photographers and video editors because of the extra color space because
0:17:45there is no retina display from Apple you know the only way to get it
0:17:49anything like a Retina Display is sort of a hack at this point with the Mac Pro
0:17:54it I think it's clearly the better machine but then I wonder if they buy
0:18:01them now they're gonna be mad if you know Mac Pros are announced the WBC or
0:18:05something like that yeah where they go and now we have a thunderbolt 3 Retina
0:18:09Display I mean when you're talking about that kind of a space it depends on what
0:18:15projects you working on right now right if they need retina support if they're
0:18:19working on for gay video and actively doing that for their job they're going
0:18:24to want a good forty monitor and the real question is well can I get that
0:18:28from a third party and is it still look great
0:18:30or do I want to go
0:18:31to you know machine that has DCI color space and use that instead and I think
0:18:38that might be the the side effect will they will they be than grumpy you if
0:18:41Apple's like yes now we have a probe that supports the retina display there
0:18:44but if they needed that functionality six months ago then that that
0:18:49announcement six months later isn't going to help them to help them finish
0:18:52this project today maybe you know maybe this is wishful thinking but maybe once
0:18:59I feel like in a lot of ways all of these machines that the move to read now
0:19:05has been difficult for every single thing because it's always a lot because
0:19:09you're effectively going to four times the pixels you know at least at some
0:19:14point you're gonna say here's a new here's a new machine that replaces one
0:19:18from last year and it has four times the pictures right i mean in shows like it
0:19:22was a huge deal when the iPhone 4 when 2010 and the iMac iPad took a lot of
0:19:28follow max took a long time the following was only on one model the 15
0:19:33inch MacBook Pro at first and I feel like the Mac Pro is the last and it's
0:19:40the hardest because they can't just seal it all up like with a member that the
0:19:45crazy story about how they got 25 K iMac last year was with this weird internal
0:19:52how are they driving all those pixels when it seems like there isn't a
0:19:55graphics card to do it and they had to write their own you know there are you
0:19:59ok right now had to invent hardware to do it with a Mac Pro they really are
0:20:04stuck waiting on Thunderbolt three cuz it has to be cable yet they can't they
0:20:09can trade their own graphics controller machine that they're not you know if
0:20:14they just don't have the they don't have the flexibility right now without having
0:20:18a displayed they connect via 303 or something along those lines so maybe
0:20:22once they make this one going maybe once they make that leap and maybe you know i
0:20:27i i can't help but think it's a 2016 think that at some point in 2016 whether
0:20:32it's early in the year
0:20:33WTC or next october at the latest that they'll have a Mac Pro update and aid
0:20:39you know whatever they're going to call it
0:20:41Cinema Display Thunderbolt three
0:20:43display whatever but a stand-alone Retina Display comfortable or even
0:20:48better than the five cash Mac display for Mac Pros
0:20:53by then maybe once they make that leap maybe then the Mac Pro can see slightly
0:20:58more regular incremental updates because they've already made that jump and he
0:21:02can just sort of keep he maintained right keep dipping in with the latest
0:21:08and greatest incremental updates from Intel yes I mean until until they decide
0:21:14to make another logical leap which Intel is unable to
0:21:18if you like the more time that power pc's and we're suddenly in the early two
0:21:21thousands it's it's so weird to me that all of a sudden you know Intel which we
0:21:26used to hold up this kind of the gold standard of Lake regular text updates is
0:21:30now very much a little drunk where her what MacBook Pros were waiting on
0:21:36probable chips for a very long time
0:21:39the new I'm actually waiting on Sky lake and and she shipped half-and-half
0:21:44stuff is so crazy the macros are probably waiting on Sky leak and
0:21:48Thunderball 32 to build proper Cinema Display is why I wonder also how long
0:21:54AAPL is going to continue being like well we have to wait around for our
0:21:57manufacturing partners as they really they've cut most of that out on the on
0:22:02the iOS line you know they're they're not waiting around for a lot of people
0:22:05cause they're building their own chips now I well I don't know I don't think
0:22:09they can do that on the high end process ID with it with Intel yea certainly not
0:22:14right now and then they even in the foreseeable future if you know in this
0:22:18is rabbit hole we don't have to go down but the whole idea of arm-based max
0:22:22clearly in the same way that retina came in at you know step-by-step arm-based
0:22:28max if it ever happens are gonna come in not all at once but step by step and
0:22:32it's gonna start with the you know one port MacBook oh yeah it all started the
0:22:37very low and I don't even yeah I can't I can't imagine and are an arm-based Mac
0:22:41Pros
0:22:42definitely a ways away yeah that's possible but it's you know that's that's
0:22:47outside the event horizon and yes I guess the thing that leaves people with
0:22:53a bad taste amount though is that if you if you are a premium customer and you
0:22:58have money to burn
0:22:59it's easy to feel confident that you've got the best thing you can just go in
0:23:04and you know if your gonna buy an iPhone if you're willing to if you like the
0:23:11bigger size or just willing to put up with a bigger size if you get the 60 S
0:23:15Plus and you max the storage you know you're getting the best of everything
0:23:19your got the image stabilization on the camera and all the best performance and
0:23:25if you don't like the bigger size you know exactly what you're missing out you
0:23:29are you missing out on his image stabilization and you've got the best
0:23:32iPhone iPad it's really easy to get the best iPad everybody knows that the new
0:23:37iPad Pro is going to be the most powerful iPad and it's the only one that
0:23:42has the the new you know pen-based green pencil or pen yeah so you know and you
0:23:51know what the tradeoff is it's the physical size of the device and I think
0:23:55with these people with a bad taste in our mouths when they've dropped a lot of
0:23:58money on a Mac Pro rig is the head that they look around in there like I don't
0:24:02have the best of anything
0:24:03yeah I'm it I'm in this purgatory this probe this pro purgatory hell yeah I
0:24:11mean I've talked to a lot of I have a lot of friends in the film industry a
0:24:15lot of people have been slowly but surely switching away from Mac Pros and
0:24:20I guess Mac Pros make sense to a certain extent I guess if you want to rig up you
0:24:24know a massive yeah I shouldn't say that they don't have the best of everything
0:24:26they do have the best expansion and they do have liked for certain
0:24:32computationally intensive tasks that the having a course or however many course
0:24:38you can make something out of six right you can really you know you can do
0:24:43certain tasks that if you can split them up in parallel like that really you can
0:24:47see tremendous advantages so there are some but it's a mixed bag for your
0:24:51trading off like
0:24:52you don't have the display anywhere near as nice as 25 came back in a fight you
0:24:56know you know for $2000 you can buy an iMac with a better display than than you
0:25:03know a $20,000 Mac Pro set up twelve 12 core Mac Pros very impressive in such as
0:25:11you were saying in some respects but it's interesting to me as somebody who
0:25:16used to live almost obsessively off of off of two hours and then later the Mac
0:25:22Pro early original sort of pre pre cylindrical Pro machine how much I don't
0:25:28fit into that mindset and even you know I don't do nearly as much fun as editing
0:25:34as I used to but still like the iMac really has become I think the desktop
0:25:38machine for 80 85% of the population including the pros purchased it makes
0:25:45more sense you don't need we don't need the money you think about where the iMac
0:25:49debut trait and Apple had this great great then and now
0:25:53website that they put up alongside the new iMacs or the like lets remember back
0:25:57to 1997 and the original iMac and how much faster our new iMacs are forces
0:26:03that the iMac when it came out was very hamstrung in very much a
0:26:07consumer-friendly this is the introduced this is your introduction to the Mac
0:26:11line device and as it's grown throughout the year is it really has you know it's
0:26:16been able to beef up what it can do and how it can compete against the Mac Pro
0:26:21and I mean right now is only the latest in a series of dynamic and smart
0:26:26improvements that you're so you're not going to get the most course you're not
0:26:30gonna get the most RAM and you're not going to be able to slot things in and
0:26:33out because the screen is what an inch thick but it's it's the better computer
0:26:40for the majority of people I mean that's that's apples goal right they don't want
0:26:44you have to fiddle around with things I linked to that said the other day the
0:26:48the then and now
0:26:50comparison to the 98 I'm
0:26:52and it is it's a cool comparison did you know wow how quickly we've you know I
0:26:58say quickly but it bends seventeen years but its feels quick but it is
0:27:02interesting to compare it in this in the context of this discussion of what do
0:27:07you get if you're a pro and you want to drop as you know get the best you can in
0:27:121998 anybody with a Mac Pro i SAT with a prospective chief word G three towers
0:27:19I'm actually three's a PowerMac 23 would look at the iMac and say well that's
0:27:26cute but there wasn't one single thing about it that was better than you know
0:27:31performance wiser decided this play why's that you could drive you know you
0:27:35have fun with your little hockey puck mouse an all-in-one computer no use to
0:27:39get the hockey puck with the PowerMac to yeah that's right that's right baby yeah
0:27:44whatever anybody I knew with it with a PowerMac upgraded to a Kensington
0:27:48oh yes my superior you know I i've brought this up many times before over
0:27:52the years but my wife Amy she loved the hockey puck mouse that it is not
0:27:57universally loathed there were people and my wife was one of them she used it
0:28:01for years afterwards like on subsequent you know she kept she kept her iMac
0:28:05mouse and moved it from computer to computer I I still have my foot I did
0:28:11like it I didn't like it for certain tasks but it's cute in his own way it's
0:28:17it's it's part of the joy of the iMac I don't know behaviors behaviors can go
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0:31:03dot com in the code is the talk show so the other new stuff that Apple announced
0:31:10this week with these iMacs are all new wireless peripherals new keyboard
0:31:17accessories new keyboard a new Magic Trackpad a new Magic Mouse is called the
0:31:26measure growth which is basically crashes everytime I think of the little
0:31:29cartoon characters I i you know it's funny because I feel like we get used to
0:31:36Apple's names and I remember like MacBook was so hard just seems it just
0:31:45was really hard for me to get out and now you know it's it just just your
0:31:49brain gets bludgeoned into accepting it over time
0:31:52second nature you're like our and I've given up I I won't anymore sorry and I
0:31:57understand the logic of it because the power and power book was from power PC
0:32:01and it wasn't really branded by Apple whereas putting back in the name really
0:32:07does help it it actually makes some kind of sense that all of the max would have
0:32:10the word mac in right I understand that but MacBook was somehow a mouthful it
0:32:18just doesn't seem like two words that fit quite as well together
0:32:22powerbook did but to me them as mad as always embarrasses me everytime I type
0:32:32yeah it feels so yes these are different than normal accessories how you ask they
0:32:38have the magic trackpad trackpad I can kind of understand it because yes it
0:32:47does especially with the new improvements to this version of the
0:32:50track pad where it gets the the MacBooks tactic engine and faux clicking here no
0:32:56longer to pressing a button you just you're using your using the magic of
0:33:00course touch and the tactic engine to make it feel like you're looking like
0:33:04that I would actually genuinely use it feels like magic because you're not
0:33:08actually clicking on anything but the mouse is still just you and I guess that
0:33:15their claim for the magic is that you get both the mouse that moves and you
0:33:19get the you can do the gestures on the surface but to me it's like that it's
0:33:26just that's just the way you you Apple have chosen to implement the scroll
0:33:31wheels and you know might have done more than just move the cursor around for a
0:33:36very long time and it's just an implementation detail whether you're
0:33:40going to use a wheel or that they had little that little ball they had for a
0:33:45while so truth be told I have not used an apple manufactured mouse on a regular
0:33:54basis since the ADB era the last eight GB Apple mouse which was a one button
0:34:01mouse I loved it
0:34:04click a great click and had a great form factor it fit my hand the way that I'd
0:34:10like to hold him out I know ATP has gone wrong on this awhile ago that depending
0:34:15on it when you learn to use a mouse you grip it in a certain way whether you
0:34:18rest your hand on it or something and I need like a big I don't know much bigger
0:34:27house than the Magic Mouse to be need to fit your hands yeah you need to have a
0:34:31good art because it's the it's the exact opposite problem of our essay on
0:34:36keyboard where you don't necessarily want your wrist marked up with a mouse I
0:34:41feel like you need you need the comfortable arc to rest your hand on it
0:34:45if you're going to be resting your hand on him out for a while I'm going around
0:34:48and clicking each to feel good and it needs to not feel like your hand is
0:34:51dwarfing them out so that you can actually find the buns by touch so I
0:34:56will confess the mouse that I used to know if I can get a picture of this I
0:35:00guess I'll try to maybe food show the mouse that I use is at least it
0:35:07absolutely positively I bought it in the nineties its from Logitech and even in
0:35:13the nineties when I bought it I don't think I paid more than $14 for it and
0:35:19it's so old it I swear to God and laser it has ball man and it is super super
0:35:28precise I actually because of our size shoes I use a third-party mouse driver
0:35:33too had to switch at one point guard steer mouse as ter mo USC's from some
0:35:42kind of band that lets you set your mouse speed significantly faster than
0:35:48the system mounted in a very fastest speed of the system out so I could go
0:35:54even mi5 k iMac I can go corner to corner pretty much without even using my
0:35:59wrist just my fingers and the ball on this thing is it's so super precise like
0:36:05it's a guy so I giant 27 inch screen I have the speed ramped up so far
0:36:10like my son can even use it he he thinks its crazy cuz he just immediately Rams
0:36:16from corner to corner by moving because it's you know the differences so subtle
0:36:21and this mass just has never broken the buttons don't work i mean at some point
0:36:25I guess it's gonna break I mean everybody feels eventually but but I
0:36:30haven't used in a pond that since when is it connected via USB USB
0:36:35I was going to ask if you're connected via Skype see you know 20 like crazy but
0:36:40I do I do still have my keyboard yeah you know I was talking to my dad the
0:36:47other day
0:36:47right after the new accessories came out and he's like rolling his eyes he's like
0:36:53no nothing nothing can be better than my my Kensington track ball and you still
0:36:58you and this that thing is probably from 1999 to because I remember using it
0:37:02playing like Star Wars Episode one pod racer something crazy like that so it's
0:37:08definitely I feel like people have very specific preferences with their mice but
0:37:14I have to do is to get on eBay and start hunting around for ya but I have to get
0:37:20a half to get new in box case I mean there is nothing grosser than using
0:37:26somebody some mouse that somebody's actually years of fingerprints and
0:37:31greasy you Tito fingers and God I'm I am i think im pretty good personal hygiene
0:37:39I'm not I'm not a real germaphobe but like I do have some previously used
0:37:45Apple extended keyboard Tues but when I whenever I get a new one I really do I
0:37:51get all sorta like like CSI like crime scene like cleaning up a break out the
0:37:59alcohol and cotton swipes and and I mean I i go you know I Q tips and I get in
0:38:04there and I'll clean you know even if it looks like really like very lightly used
0:38:09which are the best ones very likely I am going to get in there and scrub it who
0:38:14the hell knows what people are doing these things I mean I don't I no longer
0:38:18eat food while working or any of that and like my my keyboardist should be
0:38:23pristine and i'm looking down at it as we're talking that's like some of the
0:38:27number pad is absolutely disgusting I do not even my desk I gave that many years
0:38:33ago and I still can't believe how disgustingly keyboard can get if I get
0:38:36real close to yeah it's a little bit frightening to me well I know what I'm
0:38:40doing after this podcasts and now it's just it does the heebie jeebies
0:38:45just like my own key even my own keyboard grosses me out so it's hard for
0:38:53me to really get excited about the new Magic Mouse cuz I know I'm not going to
0:38:56use it because I know it's the same form factor is the old one
0:38:59I know that the old form factor to me is extremely uncomfortable tease yeah I
0:39:04don't like it at all my boyfriend has one that he will use on occasion but I
0:39:10am I the only mouse that I have on my desk right now is a very poor man's
0:39:18attempt to gaming mouse from a Cali from like 2004 that somehow is still working
0:39:23with just a 2004 button mouse scroll wheel I used to use for World of
0:39:28Warcraft of all things cause you know you have to do something in college but
0:39:31I think I've been a trackpad user pretty much since since the original Magic
0:39:36Trackpad came out I mean I was on a laptop for most of college and up until
0:39:41I got hired at Macworld in 2010 and when they hired me they're like oh you get an
0:39:47iMac do you wanna mouse or trackpad trackpad
0:39:50that's alright that's all I've been using aside from the occasional gaming
0:39:53and that's that's what I like I like white gestures and even the mouse with a
0:39:58tiny little sweat just did not feel comfortable for me I feel like the
0:40:03original Magic Mouse didn't even have a or or mission control support what he
0:40:08could to finger swipe between Safari windows but it could do any of the
0:40:12really cool things better track but it always has felt kinda hamstrung to me in
0:40:17comparison to the trackpad like Apple was really only having it to throw a
0:40:21bone to the users who still wanted a mouse to come with their machines their
0:40:25desktop Mac but I'd especially with the new features of the generations Magic
0:40:31Trackpad it just feels like the trackpad blows them out of the water
0:40:34this this is what you should be using that iMac I agree with that i mean I'm
0:40:39sure there are other people who are just so used him out that they sure that's
0:40:42why Apple hasn't gone all trackpad and why the Magic Mouse still exists in his
0:40:47tank but I do I it that is the other thing I do have it my desk I have a
0:40:51magic trackpad
0:40:53allowing I have the old way I don't have the new one I have the old one that
0:40:57takes the double A batteries and I don't use it all the time but I have it there
0:41:01because for certain tasks in certain apps its
0:41:04I find it nicer to have that adding an image or something like
0:41:08that it's nice to have it and be able to zoom in and for me I used mission
0:41:14control so much because I got used to it on the on my tiny laptops that being
0:41:19able to four finger swipe and get to the desktop and move around and all of that
0:41:22is second nature to me and especially with El Capitan adding in things like
0:41:27swype to Mark as Read and mail it just makes it more of a compelling feature
0:41:33for me and now that forced touch is added I some soul rock and the jelly
0:41:39roll the jelly roll Magic Trackpad with the AAA batteries but the idea of forced
0:41:45touch being able to do different things in the apps right now it's very very
0:41:50limited
0:41:52third-party app developers really haven't taken advantage of it all
0:41:55the track pads only been in the in the MacBook which only a small subset of the
0:42:00population owns but now hit that traffic is now potentially on potentially
0:42:06compatible with every single back in the lineup that runs every single back in
0:42:11the lineup that has blue 24 and runs on 10 now has the power force touch and
0:42:16seeing what it can do just in a couple of different out you know even just
0:42:20QuickTime Player the debt the demo below of both in their retail stores and when
0:42:25they were demoing the MacBook trackpad is the press press a little bit too fast
0:42:29forward and then press really deeply and you can fast-forward up to three hundred
0:42:33times and then you can lift your finger a little bit like a gas pedal you know
0:42:37that's that's a cool proof of concept but I feel like especially pro level
0:42:41applications design applications drawing applications photography is gonna be a
0:42:48big deal
0:42:49yeah I agree I i'm tempted by that I have you seen that there are people
0:42:56complaining I know and Neil dash
0:42:58we did you see yeah yeah oh my god ok so yeah go ahead
0:43:06charging port charges bylaw all these new devices if you don't you're not
0:43:09familiar
0:43:09the one of the big changes in all three of these is no longer now to topple make
0:43:16anything you put batteries in it maybe the remote now claiming the new remote
0:43:21for Apple TV is like I think we have gotten away from AAA batteries which I
0:43:26am thrilled by because I have so many useless slowly dying rechargeable
0:43:30batteries I why did that a couple years ago I bought a whole bunch of
0:43:37rechargeable batteries and it was good when Jonas was a real little kid and was
0:43:41using all sorts of toys that took them it really really don't regret it but no
0:43:44but they they they lose their efficacy
0:43:48so it's so bad I have a serious I probably have 12 or 14 and it's gotten
0:43:53to the point where I don't know which ones are almost are really properly
0:43:57charged in which ones are still kind of knew right because once you've charged
0:44:00them they're all good
0:44:01exactly yeah there's a twist that they like like like turned around and color
0:44:05like returned like eggshell yellow weird like that you might my trackpad I'm
0:44:12lucky if my trackpad on my keyboard last day if I had been smart what I would
0:44:16have done is maybe gotten in the habit of marking them as we mark like with
0:44:23Sharpie every time I charge the battery do Italian market which once you've done
0:44:27now you don't need to do it but now I've gotten off I've gotten back to just
0:44:32using like ourselves you know and then I feel guilty about it though I really do
0:44:35because I know that you know that it's sort of iraq yeah well and I don't know
0:44:41it's Philly one of the places in Boston you can't throw them away
0:44:46you have to dispose of them in especial place so if you use a non rechargeable
0:44:49battery in my house it's very much like either it goes in a bucket were like
0:44:55yeah we'll take this to the special recycling department someday and then it
0:44:59just sits there in your house forever ever just gathering dust in Philly we
0:45:03take them to sporting events and throw them at the buzzer that sounds like you
0:45:08accept another little bit more more potential of explosion of you set them
0:45:15on fire so the thing with that said that here's the thing that there's a minor
0:45:20design controversy is that the new Magic Mouse has I think the exact same when
0:45:27it's sitting on a desk it looks identical to the old one has the exact
0:45:31same profile as different feet according to the design but I don't think they
0:45:36look different I know that there there's interest even leaving at back channel on
0:45:42medium had a great behind the scenes talk with the team that made these
0:45:47things and they talked about how they somehow with the weight being different
0:45:51from the new battery that they had to redesign the feet to make the click
0:45:56sound right but anyway the complaint is that the lightning port is on the bottom
0:46:03so if you want to charge this thing you have to turn it on its side or turn it
0:46:06upside down in stimulating and therefore while it's charging you cannot use it as
0:46:12a mouse and what everybody seems to or the complainer seem to think it's common
0:46:16sense is that the lightning port should be at the front of the mouse so that you
0:46:22can plug it in and use it like you would a wired mouse yeah except for the fact
0:46:27that I i've seen
0:46:29nails mock-up like you just have this little hole in the front of the mouse
0:46:34it'll be fine except I can just I can just see five different people at
0:46:38Applebees like that is the most tedious thing I've ever seen in my life and such
0:46:43it just on top of that we should also mention the fact that this mouse does
0:46:49not take extremely long time to charge two minutes supposedly gives you nine
0:46:55hours a day to the idea for you get charges if you came to work and your
0:47:01mouse was dead
0:47:02you could charge it and you would have to wait to start using it but you could
0:47:05just use that as like your minute to get your standing there watching
0:47:11and by the time you've got your standpoint your Apple mouse your math
0:47:16magic mouse to be charged for the day and it does give you the other thing too
0:47:22is it gives you just you know a few if any of you who haven't used these
0:47:26peripherals they do the system is in touch with them and when they get low
0:47:32you do get a warning on screen and it's not like an emergency warning it's like
0:47:36you know you're going to want to charge this thing yeah you know I'm actually
0:47:41I'm kind of mad that the ports are on the back for the Magic Trackpad on the
0:47:45measure is a magic keyboard is just a keyboard it's it's just called a
0:47:50keyboard magic magic keyboard magic all the way down I think that might be a new
0:47:57name though because it's the Magic Trackpad to in the Magic Mouse too but
0:48:01that's just the magic word matching because it has the new not butterfly
0:48:06mechanism but differences are mechanism previous keep cords yes I i I kind of
0:48:14feel like I'm in tune of the with the standing notification idea where I don't
0:48:18want all of the ports on the underside intend then adjust forces you to get up
0:48:23off of your desk while you're charging accessories sorry your accessories
0:48:26literally are going to stop working unless you get out of your seat it seems
0:48:32it seems subversive Lee funny to me but i dont I honestly don't know what the
0:48:36what the fuss is about
0:48:37I think that Apple first and foremost wants to obviously designed functional
0:48:41things but also designed accessories that are going to look nice and the
0:48:46worst the worst thing I think in the world would be to give you a wireless
0:48:51mouse and then be here we're going to make it so that you can absolutely use
0:48:56it as a wired mouse because how many I don't wanna see stupid idiot how many
0:49:00stupid idiots are just going to plug in their peripherals and then just keep
0:49:04them plugged in the entire time I don't want to charge them they are you know
0:49:07things always burn down I i think that if the existing profile of the Magic
0:49:15Mouse had a flat front then they might have just put the port there
0:49:20but it's the fact that they're clearly happy with the profile of the Magic
0:49:25Trackpad where the front and back
0:49:27you know it's it's exactly symmetric and it has there is no there's there is
0:49:32nowhere for to go so anybody who's asking for them to put the port so that
0:49:38you can use it while it's charging is asking for them to redesign the hamas
0:49:44yeah I'm not saying that's a bad thing but it's it doesn't it just does not
0:49:50seem like a problem and i also think on the other hand I think exactly what you
0:49:55said I think it might even be deliberate mean it may actually be that they want
0:49:58to discourage people from using it while charging yeah but I'm not quite sure
0:50:03then why they didn't do the same with keyboard which is which is my no I
0:50:09honestly think that you know if you're if you're talking about technology that
0:50:13went into these peripherals again the mouse feels like the odd man out here
0:50:17where the trackpad gets first touch and all of this new and the keyboard is
0:50:21completely redesigned and should I better and the mouse's has lightning now
0:50:27you know why I know that there was design work that went into the mouse
0:50:33because this article and also I know that even if something looks identical
0:50:37couple spent a lot of time on it regardless but I do think what you were
0:50:42saying it's absolutely correct we're in order for them to put a lightning port
0:50:47on the front and make it not look like a piece of crap they're gonna have to
0:50:51redesign it and if they're going to redesign the mouse than they might as
0:50:55well redesign it in such a way that they can also put forced touching it which I
0:50:59think right now is probably too challenging given the curvature of the
0:51:02mouse and the you know current initial limits of forced touch so I mean may
0:51:09eventually happen but i just i think they ran up against time in and hardware
0:51:13limitations to actually put that together and it's like well do you want
0:51:18a mouse that has a port on the front of it for slightly easier charging or do
0:51:23you want forced touch on your trackpad pick one you can only have one and and
0:51:29getting the majority of people are going to say yeah we prefer force touch on the
0:51:33truck
0:51:33and why do we care about a charging port location
0:51:37the other thing lasting about these three peripherals is the price is very
0:51:45classic Apple the keyboard is 99 bucks but the track 79 before I think so the
0:51:52trackpad is $129 and the mouse is much as the mouse
0:52:007979 mouse keyboard are the same price now the keyboards $99.99 the keyword
0:52:09used to be 79 so the mouse moves up the keepers praised the keyboards hundred
0:52:13bucks and the trackpad is a very very quintessential Apple number twenty
0:52:19dollars so hot
0:52:22yeah I mean I i understand the technology in the mouth in the trackpad
0:52:27at least forced forced touch to me seems like the kind of thing where you might
0:52:32need to charge a premium for it based on all of the mechanics that are under the
0:52:35hood it's not just a mouse but it still $129 first level middle the AmazonBasics
0:52:42three button USB wired masses 69
0:52:49AmazonBasics wireless mouse now it's expensive that $11
0:52:56if you want a mouse I seem to remember that in previous versions you could
0:53:01choose between the mouse and the keyboard or the trackpad they wouldn't
0:53:04you and now they are charging 50 bucks if you want to go from the mouse or
0:53:10keyboard to try them out to the track
0:53:12keepers know how ya that used to be like that used to be
0:53:17choose your choose your poison and now they're actually discouraging people
0:53:21from going to the trackpad which seems like such a seems like such the wrong
0:53:26thing to do if you want to get more people using force touch and and more
0:53:29people comfortable with a trackpad or egg hunt for you could get both the
0:53:36Magic Mouse to end the Magic Trackpad to $429 she wanted multiple peripherals are
0:53:41you can get a wired mouse yeah I think you're right I think you're right to the
0:53:45fundamentally comes down to the fact that forced touch is the 3d touch
0:53:50whatever we're calling it is the new you know hotness and it's you know it
0:53:56probably is more expensive I'd I really doubt that it cost $129 yeah that much
0:54:02more you know but multiply by Apple's standard margin and maybe you know maybe
0:54:06it is the right price but it really does is one of those remaining things that
0:54:11stands out from the Mac and the commodity market as I sit here and look
0:54:17at this you know I just opened up an amazon.com Tappan just type mouse like
0:54:24you get five years a Logitech 421 $22 yeah if you want an end and you know
0:54:30what the high-quality mice the funny thing is like Greek as a high-quality
0:54:34silence wireless gaming mouse
0:54:36on his on his desk that I'm pretty sure he paid me be $70 for yeah I'm sure you
0:54:43can but it's you know but even that that's less than the price of them
0:54:48Apple Magic Mouse to write a mean here's one it looks like something from Ironman
0:54:53ICC team 4000 dpi 10 button led optical USB wired professional gaming mouse what
0:55:01is a good email Steve dots per inch
0:55:02well it's it's it's the dutch Prince is the center the laser
0:55:08it actually is pretty important oh yeah I never I've never heard that term
0:55:13because I am a very casual but still make sense I'm not a game I'm playing a
0:55:18game on my Mac and over ten years maybe longer but I'm very sensitive to that
0:55:22because that's why use my old mouse with the ball because it has a really high D
0:55:26Jack the speed up with him outside III that one of the weird things I know
0:55:32about the gaming world but anyway all these mice $7 but Apple can do it that's
0:55:40the thing is that the MEB is the peripherals
0:55:44renee has been going to the store pretty much every day to try and get the mayor
0:55:48their limited supply every day and every day sold out so that the people are
0:55:53buying these horrendously expensive peripherals yeah well I don't even know
0:55:59if it's it is expensive yes no way around it I don't know that it's too
0:56:03expensive that I'm not complaining about it it's the price you pay it forward you
0:56:08know Apple's cutting edge stuff 4944 no batteries for lithium-ion batteries in
0:56:14the keyboard and trackpad I would pay you know $229 for that set yeah I'm if I
0:56:21was buying it to upgrade to make her Mac yet I would do that in a heartbeat
0:56:24because anything that requires me never to use batteries again is Bertha church
0:56:29and church I do hate that they're referring it to for such as for such an
0:56:36American 3 touch on the phone that is driving me crazy
0:56:39well I think I've asked about it and it's one of those questions that they
0:56:43have a prepared answer for that doesn't really answer it
0:56:46yeah but they're ready for it but I think translating it from their non
0:56:51answer to a real answer is
0:56:53is I think it's twofold I think one they were calling it forced touch everywhere
0:56:58and then they decided that I think they kind of body or at least recognized the
0:57:03arguments of people have that it it sounds like it could be a little creepy
0:57:06something that there's other you know there's other ways to interpret those
0:57:11words that absolutely positive connotation and I think secondarily
0:57:18they've talked themselves into the not just renaming it 3d touch everywhere
0:57:22because I think forced touch is sort of binary where it's either a regular touch
0:57:30or a force touch and that's it in 3d touch has I just read and yeah well and
0:57:37has it measures degree of touch yes so like just the one way that Apple exposes
0:57:43it currently and I was nine is with the peak and pop where there's two levels of
0:57:48touch and I just read an article I guess I should try to find it a show notes I
0:57:53read an article where somebody was playing with the API's and and
0:57:56effectively a developer could could probably get six levels of touch if you
0:58:00wanted to like and where you where you might want to use it maybe in a game you
0:58:05know some kind of game of six levels you know maybe for acceleration driving the
0:58:10racing game maybe in some kind of musical app where you're playing the
0:58:14force touches is trying to get out of it drums or something you can pretty much
0:58:18go like 126 and thats 3d touched like it had you know and forced touch though is
0:58:25neither just it is a force touch or two regular touch and that's it yeah but
0:58:29that's what it is on the watch and that's what interests me about the
0:58:31desktop is that the force touch trackpad on a MacBook is not impressive you're
0:58:36not like it does have it does have degrees of sensitivity in layers in it
0:58:40but they're still kind of playing with that idea yeah I don't know that the
0:58:44API's are there maybe I'm wrong I don't know I think they should just got caught
0:58:483d touchable yeah I like 3d touch I think 32 touches appropriate the
0:58:51interesting thing it's funny that developers can only access six levels of
0:58:55of pressure in sort of apps
0:58:58Peter Skinner from 10 1 did it of course
0:59:01initial tests for the pressure sensitivity and drawing ups and he was
0:59:05able to detect over 400 400 potential levels of pressure sensitivity when it
0:59:10came to drawing alone so there's a lot there's actually a lot of functionality
0:59:13built into that little screen that maybe it isn't quite exposed to developers for
0:59:18regular apps because maybe it just doesn't make sense to have that kind of
0:59:21finite pressure I mean it that so many levels of pressure that the average
0:59:26human is not understand that they've shut through 50 to get from step one to
0:59:32step 2 but from a drawing perspective that's actually really exciting one of
0:59:36the things I kinda wanna play with once we get the the new house called the
0:59:42first touch trackpad once we get the new Magic Trackpad I'm really curious to see
0:59:47how you know if if precious instead of drawing is going to be able to get
0:59:52something that that the Magic Trackpad can do they're going to just limited to
0:59:56the iPhone for this this time around
0:59:58yea well what do you think you would do the drawing what i mean you could do
1:00:02with a fantasy the thing the interesting thing for me at least on a on a Mac you
1:00:08could use a stylus argued that that glass is now so big that it got it
1:00:12almost reminds me of like a Wacom Bamboo Bamboo tablet really early 512 levels of
1:00:19pressure sensitivity tablet but would be cool for me is using it in something
1:00:24like Pixelmator or Lightroom where you use it to shade or two like to do color
1:00:30correction in various levels were you don't need the specific pinpoint
1:00:34pinpoint accuracy you if you were just drawing very tiny lines but if you're
1:00:39you know color correcting or if you're removing splotches or anything like that
1:00:44being able to have levels of pressure at Lake this is how this is how much I want
1:00:49you know this is how much color I want to take away the desaturation
1:00:53the pressure is more important than that but then the pics of precision exactly
1:00:56exactly at least in these early days
1:00:58Eastern certain tasks like that exactly and even the pixel precision is not too
1:01:04bad when you have resumed at your disposal and I can very easily see you
1:01:08pinch and then you use one finger to sketch but I've been doing on the on the
1:01:13phone and it's working really well
1:01:14why let's take a break and I will thank our second sponsor and it's our good
1:01:19friends at automatic they just spell it the regular way auto matic and what is
1:01:24it
1:01:25it is really cool it is a connected car adapter I call it a dingus it plugs into
1:01:32your car's diagnostic port every car made I think since 1997 but somewhere
1:01:38around there has one of these two standard port goes across manufacturers
1:01:42your car has one you just find out where it where it is on your card somewhere in
1:01:47the dashboard you put this little thing gets into it and it's exactly the same
1:01:53port that like the mechanic uses when you take your car in the shop and I Q
1:01:57your car's dashboard says you need like service a one you could just use
1:02:01automatic and it tells you exactly what that means is I have an appt here's how
1:02:07you you you you plug thing in the card and you have to worry about it anymore
1:02:10and after that you just use the app and communicates with Bluetooth between you
1:02:14and your car and it tells you everything that goes through there so any kind of
1:02:19like engine light warning or something like that automatically explain in plain
1:02:23English what the heck is going on you know whether you just need an oil change
1:02:26whether you're due for some kind of bigger service whether something is
1:02:30failing gives you a log of your trips it keeps track of your parking location so
1:02:36if you if you have it you know if you don't have a good garage or something
1:02:40and I you know forget your car is automatic knows where your cars every
1:02:44single time you park it even can call emergency services in the case of an
1:02:49accident its course you on your driving if you wanted to show you can set goals
1:02:54for fuel efficiency and stuff like that and we'll give you hints and tell you
1:02:58when you're you know when you're going over your limits and stuff like that the
1:03:03new thing they have this year and it was already called just doing all that the
1:03:07new they may have this year's they have an app store for automatic and they have
1:03:12over 20 apps available and that lets you use your car's data in all kinds of ways
1:03:16so for example they've got integration with nest so you can let your thermostat
1:03:22know when you're getting close to home you can say when I'm five miles away
1:03:26from home
1:03:27do this with the temperature in your house or 10 miles whatever you want it
1:03:31to be you have to do it you set it up and then it just works like that it's
1:03:34amazing that really seems like the future and they've got immigration with
1:03:39I F TTT that if then then that if this then that really great web service would
1:03:46you should check out on your own anyway for hooking up all sorts of nerdy stuff
1:03:49but then you can make your own recipes and do all sorts of custom stuff based
1:03:53on this really really long story short if you have a card you really want this
1:03:58it's amazing
1:03:59this sort of thing should be built into every car but it's not but it's pretty
1:04:03awesome that works with everybody's car it's a hundred bucks normally which is a
1:04:08great deal and there's no service for you don't pay like 10 bucks a month or
1:04:11whatever you just give them two hundred bucks you get the dangerous and then you
1:04:14own it but even better than that you can save 20% off thats 20 bucks get it for
1:04:20$80 and it ships in 2 business days and they have a 45 day return policy that's
1:04:26how confident are they gonna like it so buy it for 80 bucks with this code
1:04:30automatic dot com slash the talk show and get yourself this automatic thing is
1:04:35if you haven't gotten one already really cool anything else on the the perforce
1:04:42no I think I was thinking it seems a little silly cuz it's only October and
1:04:50I'm not like a big year in review sort of person I usually don't do anything
1:04:54like that but I think we're at the point now where we kinda know everything done
1:04:59for 2015 I mean we're still waiting coming you know the iPad Pro is
1:05:04obviously a huge thing that's coming it probably the right it's the biggest
1:05:09literally biggest iOS devices stopping 27 inch iMac but it it's probably the
1:05:17biggest hardware announcement of the year and we know we don't have it in our
1:05:20hands it but we know it's coming I think you know I think the Apple has shown on
1:05:26their cards and it actually is to me you know it's as much as like for the year
1:05:32or two prior there were a lot of complaints that alcohol was sort of
1:05:36silence for debating wasn't innovating you know Phil Schiller is can innovate
1:05:40anymore my ass thing at WWC it's obviously frustrating to them I don't
1:05:45see it's one of those things where I feel like they you can complain about it
1:05:49when they're quiet for a long time but then when they have a busy year nobody
1:05:52really says while they've really done a lot this year but they've done a lot
1:05:56this year and ocular amount when you really think about all of i mean they
1:06:01launched an entirely new product the Apple watch right you know we got new
1:06:07iPhones we got new dev kits get a new to new versions of of iOS and OS 10 which
1:06:15people I think overlooked just how just how much work goes into creating solid
1:06:22software and they really did I feel like make solid software this time around it
1:06:25on both iOS and OS 10 it doesn't feel nearly as as bulky to me right off the
1:06:31line we got new iPhones Apple TV I forgot about me that's looming end of
1:06:37October Early November I also I want to emphasize that as we record this I do
1:06:42not have an Apple TV I worry that somebody's gonna go out you know rupert
1:06:46says you know he's only waiting on an iPad programs have an Apple TV now I do
1:06:50love it that's coming and the other two really big things to me are the photos
1:06:59the new photo integrated photos that launched a nightclub photos and Apple
1:07:04music right answers these two things
1:07:07that you know music and your photos and videos that in 2015 Apple has introduced
1:07:15entirely new and and you know not necessarily in both cases in either case
1:07:19seamlessly
1:07:21but it they've certainly laid the foundation for the future of how people
1:07:26in the Apple customers in the Apple ecosystem are going to manage your
1:07:29photos and music
1:07:31absolutely and you know i i did a lot of work on both of those topics right now
1:07:35as they were coming out and as as the year has progressed they you know Apple
1:07:42has been very very good about listening to customer feedback and implementing
1:07:46implementing changes or fixes or bug you know bug fixes to make the experience
1:07:54better you know I think about the initial I club for the library and the
1:07:58new Photos app I couldn't turn around on the internet virtually turn around
1:08:02without seeing someone being like how dare you this sucks I'm moving to
1:08:06Lightroom everything is terrible and now they're I feel it quite a few people are
1:08:12using photos are using Google's photo service for the using you know they've
1:08:15found their photo service or they're willing to give those a try and there's
1:08:19there's no big calamity Apple hasn't lost someone's entire photo library
1:08:24there's no there's been no insanity there was a little insanity over apple
1:08:28music photos first feel like it was the smooth launch and I'm really impressed
1:08:36by it I really AM I it works really really well for me there was one one
1:08:46time early on with a photo on my iPhone I had so many photos I've got in there
1:08:54just put a scale we can compare
1:08:58of God 16,900 56 photos and 237 videos you might have Ebdon videos but I'm
1:09:09pretty sure I have you been on photos I don't have a lot of videos because I
1:09:12used to store them separately I do have videos in here nevermind
1:09:16I'm guessing most of that was recently shot but twenty 6896 photos 855 videos
1:09:23and three items I don't actually know what items are I i had had had a
1:09:30situation early in this summer
1:09:33know maybe at like at the point where I upgraded to iOS 9 beta on my iPhone and
1:09:39it was a beta so don't complain about it publicly but I had a situation where
1:09:44their account wasn't the same across all my devices it was slightly off and I
1:09:50figured it out that it came down to a photo taken on my iPhone about two weeks
1:09:56prior and which I had edited and I forget if I only edited I did it on the
1:10:02phone and I forget if I used the Photos app on the phone to adjust the color
1:10:05something or if I used like after later one of those third party apps that lets
1:10:10you modify images on your photo role in place without making a copy but it was
1:10:15added and for whatever reason it was not able to sync that photo to my class so I
1:10:24emailed it to myself so I have a copy of the edited version then I deleted it and
1:10:30then everything got caught up in an aide to the email photo and put it back in
1:10:34the photos so one time and it was with a beta so I'm not complaining and ever
1:10:38since then it has been great
1:10:41yeah well I and i think you know comparing us a little bit about the beta
1:10:47process was really important for this being able to have the months where
1:10:52their lake yes this is beta we definitely want people to come play in
1:10:56the beta so please if you're interested but this is a beta service and please be
1:11:02advised this is a beta service and please back up your photos and once
1:11:07people I think realized
1:11:09forcible knew that going in and also were able to figure out oh this is the
1:11:15difference between storing all of your photos on your device and optimizing
1:11:19storage and this is what this app gets me that aperture Lightroom does not have
1:11:25more time to kind of figure all that out I I too had had one
1:11:28really bad photos experience and that was mostly I had at this at the time
1:11:35that photo was released initially sort of announced I was really excited about
1:11:40this cuz my photo library had been spreading across four different
1:11:43computers and I thought at one point I had it all localized on the 15 inch iMac
1:11:49but as time went on it kind of more and more
1:11:51got over too much or 15 inch MacBook Pro as time went on it became more on on my
1:11:56old 21.5 inch iMac and a little bit on my on my my macbook air and I i was just
1:12:03saving like giant folders of iPhone images every time I get full I just
1:12:08dumped everything the image capture into a folder and shove it into Dropbox it
1:12:13was like there was something canonical version of my photos somewhere and when
1:12:19I went to merge everything into photos 1 my MacBook Air library wouldn't sink and
1:12:24eventually I just had to creating knew I had to create a new library and pulled
1:12:29down all of the photos from the cloud and then upload everything it was try it
1:12:34just got into a terrible loop where it was trying to download and upload at the
1:12:38same time and they just you know essentially them
1:12:40virtual pipe was clogged so nothing could get anywhere and just uploading
1:12:44forever but again once I like that was a very simple troubleshoot I talked to
1:12:49Apple almost immediately got that fixed and once I got that fixed no problems
1:12:54everything is great yeah the other thing that really works well and it sounds
1:12:58simple and I know there's other services that do this I'm not saying Apple is
1:13:01invented anything I'm just saying that at scale for all of the people who use
1:13:05iCloud photos it seems to be working well is the way that like you can say
1:13:11whether or not you want all of your photos on this device or not or you just
1:13:15want the thumbnails and pulled them down over the cloud as needed to save space
1:13:19yeah and having gone through the
1:13:22again I'm not complaining it's great it's great that I get access to the
1:13:27iPhones and stuff before him but I set up an awful lot of iOS devices every
1:13:31year because I knew I found in a nearby my own iPhone
1:13:34having set up my own iPhones for personal use a lot and over the last
1:13:41month or two it worked really really great where it's obviously they're not
1:13:45you know sixteen or seventeen thousand photos even the thumbnails are not there
1:13:49you know a minute or two after you unlock you know unwrap the phone but you
1:13:54know within a very reasonable amount of time they are and it's it's to me really
1:13:59impressive and it's always a problem that we've had for a long time
1:14:02yeah well that's just the not having to worry about what device they take photos
1:14:09on is huge and not like it's just an everyday to obviously most people don't
1:14:15necessarily have a job where they're taking tons of product photos on maybe
1:14:19you and then uploading them to one machine and maybe me access to them on
1:14:23another machine at a later point in time but that kind of workflow I feel like is
1:14:27universal for different documents and Apple seems to have really done a great
1:14:32thing with photos where I can again now for screenshot or snap snap a photo of
1:14:37like an apple watchdog in three seconds later it shows up on my Mac where I need
1:14:42to upload it to our CMS for your website and that it just it makes it easier I
1:14:49don't have to worry about where my photos are as I know like okay they're
1:14:53all the cloud and I have a backup if physical backup on one of my computers
1:14:57and then I have a double back up on in Dropbox like tax it's just it feels
1:15:03really nice the one the one nickel that I have with optimized storage is that I
1:15:09do wish that your favorite album was automatically stored on device like I
1:15:13wish there was an album that you could just be like this album needs to be
1:15:17sourced locally because the annoying thing of like typing something that you
1:15:22want to share with somebody and then seeing the doubt the slow download icon
1:15:26and realizing currently i cud photos is limited to wifi to download a photo so
1:15:32if you want to get an old photo from 1986 or something that you have stored
1:15:36chances are if you haven't looked at it frequently it's not it's stored up in
1:15:40the library it's not stored on device if you have optimized on and if you're not
1:15:44on wifi
1:15:45can't download that and so all you can see is this really blurry picture even
1:15:49if you're just looking at you want to just browse photos while you're stuck on
1:15:51an airplane or something that that's a little frustrating but it's not you know
1:15:57it's not a deal breaker it's not necessarily something room Apple how
1:16:00could you but it would be nice to have to have a space of these photos were
1:16:05always down my device these pictures of my pets it's either the default it's the
1:16:11only way you get photos under Apple watch to at least the fault is that you
1:16:16favorite them and then the favorites are on the watch yeah I don't know if you
1:16:20can also is there a way that you can manually specify different album you can
1:16:25specify a different album on the watch but it is albums only and favorites is
1:16:28the first option so out of the boxes with us what happens
1:16:33yeah I'm looking at it right now yes in town favorites but anyway long story
1:16:39short I think it's really been a good year for photos and I am really
1:16:45intrigued to see where they go
1:16:47going forward because it's one of those things where I feel like it's the same
1:16:51thing as I trying to get everything across the board to go read where you
1:16:54need all of these things in place first and some of the stuff you just have to
1:16:57wait for it and I feel like being able to say doesn't matter you know if you
1:17:01have a stand-alone you know camera and you can hook it up to your Mac and you
1:17:07import them into photos a week or two later you forget what you took the
1:17:12photos of you just know you took a photo of you know your relatives birthday
1:17:16party and the fact that it's just there on your phone
1:17:19even if you didn't take the photos with your phone is great I'm really
1:17:23interested see though if if what they do like for next year with photos is start
1:17:29beefing up especially the Mac version to be more of a prosumer photo editing tool
1:17:36I'm hoping so I hope so too and my concern though is that because
1:17:41everything is everywhere and that their non-destructive that the Mac what the
1:17:46Mac version of photos can do isn't limited by what the Macan do but it's
1:17:49limited by what iOS can
1:17:52do well I mean there's always there's already some disparity there because the
1:17:58iPhone has of course non-destructive third-party audits and Mac did not get
1:18:03that option for up extensions until this fall and even then there are those are
1:18:08limited to device so if you if you added something on your iPhone say with like
1:18:14the Pixelmator expense extension for iPhone and then you imported are you
1:18:18open it up in the Mac you can't open it with the Pixelmator extension for Mac
1:18:23you either have to you can revert it so you can take off all of the edits or you
1:18:28can add a top of it but you can once you change those sliders if you opened up
1:18:33the Mac and start to apply new new more edits you you lose the previous ability
1:18:39but if you do but if you just look at it you do see the edits
1:18:44yes you do so I guess that's one way to do it where the Mac could gain a lot of
1:18:50built-in serious stuff and then when you open it up on the iPhone you see them
1:18:54but then if you try to edit it would warn you that you either need to make a
1:18:58copy of it or something
1:19:00yeah exactly I can live with that that sort of I think the best we can hope for
1:19:05yeah I mean I wouldn't necessarily rule out pro version of photos but I do think
1:19:12there's enough there are enough things to make improvements to in the initial
1:19:17appt I think the initial opposite very solid 10 release but they're still there
1:19:21definitely they're definitely tools that a that would be great for a prosumer out
1:19:26or a you know a consumer leading to like during the slow stepping stones they've
1:19:31already done a great job even with the editing menu of making potentially you
1:19:35know severe and
1:19:37an expansive color correction available to somebody who doesn't really know much
1:19:43were you just start with this lighter from light to dark and then you can drop
1:19:47it down and it becomes more expensive and more in depth and then you can add
1:19:51extensions if you really want to play around and OH I messed this up a reset
1:19:55button away huge your photos and my Apple music
1:20:02the next day this is the part hot apple music to me still it confuses me you
1:20:07know this is really the main reason I want to do under shows I want you to
1:20:10explain Apple ok what it was like to know about music how am I supposed to
1:20:18use it
1:20:18ok so do you do you want to use Apple's catalogue of like to access Apple's
1:20:28catalogue of artists I guess what I needed to hear that I think I need to do
1:20:32I think for safety's sake I have backups but I think I need to make a copy of
1:20:38music yes i think thats what is which is largely ripped but I have had the match
1:20:44service for all you know ever since it came out and make a copy and then I have
1:20:52all my rep stuff that I've had for fifteen years now and then just go
1:20:58without music yet so what I would suggest if you're starting from scratch
1:21:02and you want to go into Apple music you make a copy of your library for that new
1:21:08copy of your library if you want to start just absolutely clean what you can
1:21:13do is create that new library and then I think there's a checkbox that allows you
1:21:17to add songs but keep the linked locations absolute so which is to say
1:21:24like if you have all of your songs packaged in your original iTunes music
1:21:29library when you add them to the second library it doesn't create a second copy
1:21:33of those songs it's just it it has a provisional
1:21:39symbiotic from the original library two years later an alias basically similar
1:21:45to to the way again to compare two photos similar to the way that it when
1:21:49you
1:21:50imported your iPhoto library to the new photos it didn't make copies of
1:21:53everything
1:21:54symlinks to have what looks like two copies of it but both are pointing to
1:22:00the same stream a bite on desk exactly so you can you can vote do this and then
1:22:05once you have that second library you turn up the music on for that library
1:22:09and your Apple IDs tied to your Apple idea that I think one of the most
1:22:12important things that people can't overlook side to europe lady you turn on
1:22:16Apple music and the big difference between having just Apple music as your
1:22:24Apple music service of choice or having iTunes Match or having both of them
1:22:29together is that Apple music alone gives you access to Apple's App Catalog so you
1:22:34can stream any of their songs or artists it lets you play songs that you your
1:22:39cell phone as well as the Apple music catalog on any of your devices to 10 but
1:22:47when do you or if you cancel that service that streaming on extra devices
1:22:53thing goes away and all of those songs that you've streamed or downloaded to
1:22:58another device gets deleted whether or not you own them extra auxiliary devices
1:23:04and all of your Apple music catalog goes away so you're left with just the
1:23:09original songs you had on your original computer the difference between that and
1:23:14Apple me and iTunes Match is that of course in iTunes Match when you you're
1:23:20able to stream or download your songs that you own to any other computer that
1:23:25has your appointee but when you download those songs onto an axillary computer
1:23:30those songs stay there forever
1:23:32whether or not you cancel iTunes Match are not there they are forever on your
1:23:37computer unless you delete them their their their DRM free so if you just use
1:23:43Apple music and cancel iTunes Match then you are your collection the songs you
1:23:49own that you stream or download other computers will show up as Apple music
1:23:54tagged if they can match that catalog and if you can't slap on music those
1:24:00songs on those auxiliary computers will disappear
1:24:03so if you want them to retain whether or not you choose to keep our music then
1:24:08that's when you keep the two subscriptions running concurrently so
1:24:11you have Apple music and iTunes Match
1:24:15since you have both do you still have both I still have both in part because
1:24:18I'm testing a million things but no i i have pulled because I have a canonical
1:24:26music library on my iMac but I still I will download some things to other two
1:24:31other computers and I don't want my you know my local music library on an
1:24:36axillary to vanish if I decide to camp canceled music because then I would have
1:24:41to go and you know we import everything onto an auxiliary computer right have to
1:24:45reenable iTunes Match and that seems like a book work and then like $25 to
1:24:52never have to worry about that work again I can I can pay 25 bucks here yet
1:24:56twenty-plus years i'd underneath my eye I give a shit threshold that $14.99 a
1:25:03month for a family plan about the music is I want to make sure we're actually
1:25:07listening to see exactly it's like this is actually this is a bill this adds up
1:25:12to a significant amount of money per month I like despite all of the insanity
1:25:17with Apple music and I really do think that the difference between the hike the
1:25:20photos around the photos rollout and the music rollout is that music didn't have
1:25:27a beta period of people and if they had had a beta period with enough with a
1:25:33couple you know a couple hundred like even five ten thousand subscribers would
1:25:37be enough to hash out most of the terrible bugs they saw like the fact
1:25:42that Apple music or Apple music and iTunes Match users were seeing their
1:25:47songs matched a sample music that was a bug that was fixed within the first 48
1:25:52hours but despite it being fixed in the first 48 hours people went crazy over
1:25:56for about a month and a half
1:25:58yeah that's it really keen observer
1:26:01really think it that that you know that I photo or photos had a beta and they
1:26:07worked out these kinks and music was like all of you go sign up for this free
1:26:12service now for three months and they worked out the kinks like on the fly and
1:26:16it really did leave a sour taste in people's mouths and honestly because it
1:26:20was free they really could have just said three free free or free at three
1:26:25month trial and this is our beta period this summer is our beta launch off
1:26:29period for Apple music that's what I mean looking at beach when I listen to
1:26:33beats 10 law in the early days in part because I was writing about it but it
1:26:36just cuz it was it was such a curiosity to me as someone who hasn't listened to
1:26:40terrestrial radio in about 12 years it was such a curiosity and such an
1:26:43interesting highbrow can you make this work but but it's one was very much in
1:26:49their initial two months and even though I mean that interview with them low that
1:26:54he gave recently at the BBC is basically like we're figuring this stuff out by
1:26:59the seat of our pants this is very much a better for us and we won't know
1:27:02exactly what beats one is or how it fits into the over organ theme of Apple music
1:27:08for about a year but we need this time to build it we we built the station in
1:27:1212 weeks we'd we need this beta period and so they like that side was very very
1:27:18honest and straightforward even on the air being like we're just trying this
1:27:22out let us know what you like let us know what you don't we can you know we
1:27:26want to work with you we want to be your station and the rest of Apple music was
1:27:30very like this is how it is this music enjoyable music how do you think it's
1:27:36going now that for everybody who signed up right away that three-month Beta Beta
1:27:42bit trial yes we need your mind the trial the three-month trial is over and
1:27:48people got the notices like hey you gonna get charged unless you cancel how
1:27:53do you think they're doing now it's very hard to say cuz they don't think they've
1:27:56announced anything now and I don't think they will for a little bit I do think
1:28:00that probably fifty-plus percent canceled but I don't actually think
1:28:04that's a bad thing I think that they do need to do a little bit of retooling and
1:28:09the pretty sure kind of realized that they need to do a bit of retooling in
1:28:12terms of what's really valuable
1:28:14their streaming catalog is fantastic you know as someone who is still an apple
1:28:18music member of the streaming catalog is fantastic
1:28:21before you suggestions are very very good especially if you continue to
1:28:26listen and like these things are like in tryin and tryin refine your tastes
1:28:32their creation engine is really pretty good and beats one is really funny
1:28:37despite not being addressed through radio person like I I will tune into
1:28:41that because it feels it almost feels like being in an office as a
1:28:44work-at-home person worth like older people occasionally talking and they're
1:28:48talking about interesting music related things is not like the Daily local news
1:28:52in your area and it's not something so depressing at npr to get you to get your
1:28:58stomach in knots it's just kind of like fun interesting content and good and the
1:29:02music you might not have otherwise heard so I think there are quite a few people
1:29:06who are still kinda hanging on and and have gotten addicted to certain aspects
1:29:10of the service but for TV wide audience Apple needs to put a little bit more
1:29:16work into it too freely to really make it one shot and one of the biggest
1:29:20things they can do is revamp iTunes on a Mac because right now it's still a mess
1:29:28is the polite word I can't say much much more horrible things but I will decline
1:29:35but you know the music app the new music app in iOS nine people are still
1:29:41complaining that messy but its lately it's less messy it slowly like they're a
1:29:45rating on this would be like ok this is what works this is what does don't it
1:29:49doesn't turns out we don't need in a more but that's gonna last
1:29:531515 links worth of war but we can we can work around missus iTunes still
1:29:59feels
1:29:59feels
1:30:00J context and bloated and uncomfortable and it's just awkward and weird ways I
1:30:05think I told you the story over the weekend when you were here in Philly for
1:30:07the local yeah we hang a little bit but long story short my wife had a playlist
1:30:15a new playlist you made on a Mac and she just wanted to send it to a phone and go
1:30:19to the gym and the way the new iTunes works it's like you like this where dot
1:30:26dot dot button yeah the playlist and then you go to the dot dot and then it
1:30:32just says send to device and then there's her iPhone and she'd click it
1:30:35and it which seems like that's what should do in if you google you know
1:30:40search for how you're supposed to do this it says that's how it's supposed to
1:30:42do and it never just it just never showed up on a live on and long story
1:30:46short I think that solution was to turn off Apple music on oliver devices and
1:30:52just do it the old-fashioned way and connected to USB and then the dot dot
1:30:57dot center that's found work yet because you're actually sending it over to the
1:31:01rejection it's such a mess it's such a mess but if you have a music turned on
1:31:04at a given having a tethered connection doesn't make it work that's even worse
1:31:08sometimes like some of some of my playlist show up to my playlist it still
1:31:12at the state like Apple this is that that's the kind of stuff that could have
1:31:15been really valuable during a three-month beta test of like me up
1:31:19there some playlists problems let's actually find out I find it really
1:31:23interesting I don't know if you saw this week apple launched an apple music
1:31:28helped Twitter account
1:31:30office hours know you have to appt at Apple music help for a people's Apple
1:31:37music questions they have office hours from I think 826 either GMT re-used yet
1:31:43to actually work but but I saw that and I i quite literally laughed out loud
1:31:49because that's you know that's what I've been doing for the last three months on
1:31:54and off is being people's like Apple music guru on Twitter and now I can be
1:31:58like to talk to them they've actually built this thing like I either I will
1:32:02happily help you still like try and stumble through your problem with you
1:32:06maybe the people who have access to the engineer's can fix your more high-level
1:32:11problems like the fact
1:32:12that pressing the like button to find your tastes but also there's no way to
1:32:16save a song you like as a favorite without adding it to your library and
1:32:20then it goes into the massive like the bottomless pit of library it's really
1:32:26awesome the top in tweet in fact answers my question is create a playlist with
1:32:33your favorite songs in music there you go
1:32:36obviously I've hit frequently asked question anyway but isn't that that is
1:32:43sort of a fun you know again not to release potentially gets new years
1:32:49already but and get all sanguine about and talk about 2015 in the past tense
1:32:54but among other things that are happening here there's you know it has
1:32:58been a sort of quote-unquote new Apple you know things happen does that they
1:33:06would have done before I think having a Twitter account with office hours is
1:33:11file that under things Apple wouldn't have done before the new giving even
1:33:17steven levy access to the design team and actually having like people's not
1:33:22only people's names associated to what they were doing but people's faces and
1:33:26inside it was just one of those things where I'm like I would never seen this
1:33:30story five or six years ago and I'm really glad to see the story and hear
1:33:33more about the inner workings of Apple I'm really glad that Apple is reaching
1:33:37out for help and support beyond just the you know the distended disclaimer go go
1:33:43see Apple Care I'm glad the developers are getting more of a voice on Twitter
1:33:46without worrying that PR is good for rapid PR is gonna come and eat them
1:33:51alive and then they'll never be seen or heard from again it's a really
1:33:56interesting sea-change and thank you
1:33:58well I one of the things a lot like I would like to see it and I've been on
1:34:02this for you haven't talked about it frequently but years ago I know five or
1:34:06six years ago
1:34:07I did as a talk at Macworld back when Macworld San Francisco still think it
1:34:13was like my top 10 things to be you know things to look at you know for the
1:34:17future things to worry about Apple
1:34:19top 10 list and one of them was that I wanted apple to go back to having but
1:34:27letting letting the people who make the software but their credit in the about
1:34:32box yeah like the whole reason about boxes were there the detained in Mac
1:34:37apps is originally it was so that the people who made the things could could
1:34:43get credit for them and it went away when Steve Jobs came back in 1997 98 and
1:34:52now the eval boxes are almost useless and its standard across all of their
1:34:55software it just has the icon the name of the app the version number and a
1:35:00copyright and that it's almost like why do it you know why it's going to really
1:35:04get out of his version number and the idea that the jobs gave back in 98 was
1:35:09that Apple is in bad shape and their talent they did it do one thing the
1:35:12company had come he was in bad shape but had lots and lots of talent and he was
1:35:15really almost pleasantly surprised by the amount of talent the engineering and
1:35:20in the fact that johnnie I've and his team were already there
1:35:24stolen well yeah it was like an anti poaching but it's that is such the way
1:35:30the world works today nobody needs to nobody who's a recruiter trying to poach
1:35:34Apple employees needs the about box to figure out who wrote this app you know
1:35:39you know and and there is obviously a mean if you you know I don't use
1:35:43LinkedIn but I mean thousands and thousands and thousands of employees are
1:35:48on LinkedIn I mean there's all sorts of you know and and be sure that the best
1:35:52recruiters don't even need to do that
1:35:54know it right like the difference between the current world today in a
1:36:00world where Apple employees got to put their credits in the about boxes for the
1:36:05App Center in the system the difference in the amount of talent that get poached
1:36:10is I think effectively zero that's not a good reason to do it and I think that
1:36:16being able to sign your work to me it's it's just an important
1:36:19part of you know it's just like a point of pride in its also nice I mean you
1:36:30know Apple boys I know Apple employees and former Apple employees and when
1:36:34you're working on something that secret all you can really say is I work in this
1:36:38team and and you don't want them to say anything more because you don't want
1:36:41them to get in trouble after as a feature ships you know they can save it
1:36:45can I worked on that that was that thing in the keynote that was partially my you
1:36:50know something that I did and I i I like that I like
1:36:55again what you said I like the idea that our friends and and Apple you know
1:36:59people who work at Apple consign their work and people can be proud about their
1:37:03work because they spend so long and under such levels of secrecy to get it
1:37:08right and get it perfect and and just make a great product whether that's
1:37:12hardware software and when it comes out like I love with Tim Cook has been doing
1:37:17the last couple events were stand up if you worked on this like let's
1:37:20acknowledge these people and not have them hide in the shadows jobs did that
1:37:25too sometimes I don't know I just feel like letting letting you know making the
1:37:29about box is relevant again as just you know the credits credits for the
1:37:33software and I feel like that kind of fits with the way that Stephen levy's
1:37:38behind the scenes of the new peripherals got to go talk to people who actually
1:37:42designed them and work done them in and stuff like that
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1:41:46what else you wanna talk about it that this paper haha that's a good one if
1:41:55you're talking about the same thing I'm thinking about what they're talking
1:41:58about yesterday
1:42:00federico pointed this out surprised this yes so so Facebook is a lot of an
1:42:08iPhone's battery and it's traditionally a lot of the iPhone's battery which is
1:42:12why I'm worried recommend turning off background processes but and I S nine we
1:42:18were able to see not only is eating a lot of your battery and you can see you
1:42:23in terms of the the battery screen and percentages you can now tell what
1:42:27specific processes Facebook is using it turns out even if you have background
1:42:32processing turned off facebook can still eat your battery with background audio
1:42:37and what Federico II she's theorized and based on some very clever thing on his
1:42:45part is that Facebook is likely playing silent audio to keep the app running an
1:42:52active in the background and I don't know what that is helpful for them on
1:42:56the outside too but it's insane to me what it it's feel so dirty it's it feels
1:43:03downright malicious yeah and honestly the thing that occurs to me is it
1:43:09doesn't really matter what they're doing if if it's like to check out this week
1:43:14and this is a tweet from sorry I actually checked checked with this guy
1:43:17don't know his real name is his Twitter account is just his first name Chad but
1:43:22he tweeted a screenshot he added me and Jim Dalrymple and and this is his his
1:43:29usage this is his usage from get an iPad right and iPad Mini his battery usage on
1:43:41iOS nine was 75% of his entire battery was consumed by Facebook and it was only
1:43:48two minutes on screen this is so that if you haven't looked at this with you go
1:43:53to the usage and I was not
1:43:55Apple's really gotten this to a very fine grained breakdown and that the
1:44:01number one thing to remember is in most apps that thing that kills the battery
1:44:06the most is making the display and so like knowing how much of your time zone
1:44:11now that they tell you how much of the time was on screen and how much was in
1:44:14the background it can really tell you like hey maybe it's actually ok that
1:44:20Tweetbot used 38 percent of my battery because while I was on it for three
1:44:25hours and you know and so for example if you sit there and read a book in my book
1:44:34for a long time it makes sense that is going to use a lot of battery even
1:44:37though that is obviously not a a CPU intensive application because it
1:44:41powering screen this guy sent me this screenshot Facebook two minutes on
1:44:45screen
1:44:4615.9 hours in the background used up 75% of his iPad battery and he has the
1:44:53Facebook can set not to be able to use background that is insane and it
1:45:00actually to me I honestly think it's it's shows who holds the who holds the
1:45:10power in the Facebook Apple really a cave if you think of Apple is this
1:45:13mighty corporation and and they think of the App Store is this powerful tool that
1:45:18they wield with their own discretion I actually think that this makes Apple
1:45:24look bad in week at a most likely because Facebook is so essential to what
1:45:28people use their iPhones for it you know by almost every account that single most
1:45:32use third-party app on iPhone that I almost wonder whether up on those that
1:45:39they're doing this and feels like they can't do it what are they gonna do the
1:45:43Facebook app to the App Store unfortunately it harms them I'm looking
1:45:47at my my battery for the last seven days on this crazy 58 minutes on screen for
1:45:51Facebook 3.2 hours of background there's no reason and you have background
1:45:56updating turned off my turn I haven't turned off her facebook so it's you know
1:46:00this is mind boggling to me and I don't know if I still have a Facebook account
1:46:05so I have nothing
1:46:07encountered the first and it does not inspire me to change after all these
1:46:12years to change my mind and maybe sign up for Facebook and I hit the survey has
1:46:17like I I was off facebook around 2010 I was done with it and I only went back
1:46:22because the people that I play roller derby with that is the roller derby
1:46:26community is on Facebook it's not a Twitter based place so I only use
1:46:32Facebook for for Derby and even so end up murdering my battery and I totally
1:46:37understand that I know how much of stuff like that I was just at I don't we can
1:46:41talk about it a bit but I was at a screening of the Steve Jobs movie last
1:46:45night over at University of Pennsylvania and it was like a press screening but it
1:46:49was really more like physics students can get it was mostly just college get
1:46:52and they have like it was put together by like their their film club or
1:46:57something like that and the pre-announcement like a welcome glad
1:47:01everybody could be here it was like how do you get involved if you're a student
1:47:04want to get involved at the club it was Facebook yes because you know I'm sure
1:47:08that there are ten ten thousand other examples of groups where if you want to
1:47:13get involved in stay in touch via Facebook so I understand that and not
1:47:17everybody can be an anti social hermit like this is criminal
1:47:21this is absolutely insane that they're they're working around you know people
1:47:28who are so specifically saying I do not want you to update in the background and
1:47:32they're doing it anyway by cheating I mean if it doesn't matter whether the
1:47:37only way they're doing it is federico theory that they're playing silent audio
1:47:41which lets them stay running in the background as a separate you know things
1:47:46from the background updating option which clearly is not in the user's
1:47:51interest right now nobody wants that they've said we want you to shut up in
1:47:56the background just stopped and the other thing that struck me about this is
1:48:00this because of the insane popularity of Facebook and how many people use it
1:48:06and clearly how detrimental it is your battery this has to be
1:48:12I don't even think it's a maybe this has to be a main reason for the the the the
1:48:16stress about the iPhone's battery life force quitting abstain owe that to ya I
1:48:22was surprised that this whole entrenched I would it would you call the way that
1:48:28so many people believe it's a it's a tenant of like using a smartphone where
1:48:32I have to force quit my apps because it'll make things run faster and the
1:48:35battery last longer
1:48:37right on ATP the other week Casey list he was at a football game and the guy in
1:48:42front of him every time you take his phone out he'd unlock it
1:48:45do whatever he was gonna do and then double click the home button and force
1:48:49quit whatever happy to see you and then turn the phone off and put it back in
1:48:52the pocket every single time he said it was i driving him nuts but can you and
1:48:57my thought was this review to an Apple needs to stop this because it's not
1:49:00helping anybody whereas it must be helping people because it that way you
1:49:05can actually nuke the Facebook app and it wouldn't be playing the silent audio
1:49:08anymore and you actually would see better battery yeah I mean I used so I
1:49:13used to use the force quit apps technique
1:49:16way back when when I would go over the border between USA and Canada so that I
1:49:20wouldn't accidental use data usage because that you know that like that is
1:49:24the way to ensure that someone's not leaching in the background so you'd cut
1:49:28everything on that but yeah I mean it seems like that's the only way to ensure
1:49:33that Facebook's not leaching leaching data and battery life Dida like you
1:49:39think about how much how much data I don't care if they are you selling your
1:49:43still streaming something you were still requiring a call and I'll be really
1:49:47interesting to compare this with also the numbers of those the cellular data
1:49:50but I I but I do think you're absolutely right and that it it emphasizes ended it
1:49:57validates the force quit theory where oh well of course this is how I have to use
1:50:02my iPhone and I also I think that it might actually be skewing iPhone battery
1:50:08numbers enough p.m. Facebook but I wouldn't be surprised if that's cutting
1:50:12half an hour an hour off of your battery every day and if you're going from you
1:50:16know you think you're getting a phone with a 14 hour battery and you end up
1:50:19getting
1:50:20you know closer to 11 or 12 that's i mean that that it's a bigger problem
1:50:26than I think we've made it out to be before this yeah I really was not aware
1:50:31of it but it's it really seems like I don't use that word lightly but it seems
1:50:35scandalous it really does and I think it's clearly dark matter to most people
1:50:41like they're not going to figure this out like just going to Settings General
1:50:45Settings settings Battery to find the usage now write write write write
1:50:52something about it but people you know how many people go there I I think it's
1:50:56a lot you stumble across it occasionally like oh that's fun
1:50:59the only the only app that has more on the only after has more than Facebook
1:51:06green on Facebook has four hundred and twenty something megabytes
1:51:10got got new music at four hundred and thirty and Tweetbot at 551 megabytes but
1:51:16I used those apps probably fifteen times as much as facebook on my phone that's
1:51:23crazy yeah it's crazy anyway I think that it's not that last we heard us I
1:51:35think that this story as lakes and politics but it's discreetly this guy
1:51:42with the two minutes home screen 15 hours at the background is crazy and the
1:51:47usage the fact that you know it's not it's not just 75 percent but only all
1:51:51he's only use it to ours he has the time since last fall charge there and that's
1:51:55the really like and if you get you have to tap if you're just looking at if you
1:52:01look at the end I if you tap it and you get this little there's a little blue
1:52:06clock thing that shows you the the how long on screen and how long in the
1:52:12background breakdown doesn't show that but for me it's Tweet button and Safari
1:52:183 but the last 24 hours of the maps because I've been using my phone a lot
1:52:23but we bought Safari maps music and in male was the only one to me that has the
1:52:29big difference between on screen and back
1:52:32because i dont yeah but that makes sense because I have mail said to to download
1:52:36meal in the background
1:52:37exactly like mel has a good reason to download stuff in the background and I
1:52:41know how to turn it off and if I told it not to have I said you know what would I
1:52:45do it again which I do when I go to a foreign country and a man like a hundred
1:52:48megabytes SIM card and I'll have my email set don't don't load email until I
1:52:53hope I asked for it yeah and then it does it does that it's it this is again
1:53:02it's so easy for someone like me who who's never used Facebook has always
1:53:05been sort of skeptical of the company to sit here and complain about it but my
1:53:10point is really does seem scandalous I mean it seems it's almost outrages we I
1:53:16mean look at those look at the battery and I'm like maps you can have
1:53:19background activity that makes sense
1:53:21mail you can have background activity music you can have background activity
1:53:25podcast yes all these make sense
1:53:28Facebook having background I don't know what Facebook would do with background
1:53:31activity like actively be useful for me maybe load more of my time line so I can
1:53:35read when I don't have a data connection but I don't care it would be curious to
1:53:40see what they are doing and why they're doing it but yes I don't know it's
1:53:45really really interesting yeah I don't think we've heard the last of it but
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1:56:54doing now so before a time when the Movie lets talk about you on mosque
1:57:00there is a thing last last week where he was interviewed with a German newspaper
1:57:07and they asked him about Apple hiring that rumors and reports that Apple is
1:57:14hiring Tesla engineers and here's what he said Elon Musk said they've hired
1:57:19people we've fired we always jokingly call Apple the Tesla graveyard if you
1:57:25don't make it a test let you go work at Apple I'm not kidding you under my skin
1:57:33is he speaks his mind that is what I will say I mean he's very very job CNN
1:57:39very much like other folks we know in this in this area I don't think he
1:57:44necessarily meant at the way that it came out I think he was probably making
1:57:48a comment about Apple's car efforts and not about Apple's engineering talent but
1:57:53it's still pretty pretty bad it is it is you know it's jobs even in my opinion
1:58:02jobs in thing to say which is whether it's true or not that anatomy is
1:58:07interesting that's the interesting thing because it could be that they've done
1:58:11internally they've looked at this and and they've decided that a lot of the
1:58:16people that you know engineering talent out was hired away from Tesla we're not
1:58:21the eight players that Apple is getting to be players in the eight players are
1:58:24sticking a test that could be true and he's willing to just come out and say it
1:58:29or it could not be true it could have no relevant know it could be that Apple
1:58:33hired great people from Tesla but he's just saying it anyway because he's
1:58:37because of their own right and it either way
1:58:41it works I like it I i think that it's funny and I think that it's very
1:58:48confident and the thing that people have compared it to and I jumped in my mind
1:58:52immediately right away too well the next thing he said was that it was the court
1:58:59building cars the next logical thing for them to do but then he said did you ever
1:59:04take a look at the Apple watch no seriously it's good that Apple is moving
1:59:08in investing in this direction but cars are very complex compared to phones or
1:59:12smartphones and I think he said I don't have it here in this article you see the
1:59:18weird thing is that the German original ones I behind a paywall and then he said
1:59:22something to the effect of that you can't just go you you can just go to
1:59:25China and tell Foxconn to build your watch but you can't just go to Foxconn
1:59:29is a build me a car and a comparison the death brings to mind is then palm CEO at
1:59:37Colligan back in December of 2006 which is like a month before Apple unveiled
1:59:42the iPhone nobody knew it was gonna look like but rumors are rampant that Apple
1:59:46is gonna do a phone and he said something to the effect of we've we've
1:59:51been working on this for a long time PC guys aren't going to just jump in and
1:59:55figure it out yeah and the PC guys at apple just jumped did just jump in and
2:00:01figure out the difference that I see between AD Colligan then and Elon Musk
2:00:10now is that parm in 2006 was totally stagnant they were not making things
2:00:16that were amazing you were not future focus at all right they were you know
2:00:21they seem like they were behind here's here's the here's the quote from him in
2:00:262006 I looked it up we've learned in struggled for a few years here figuring
2:00:31out how to make a decent phone PC guys are not going to just figure this out
2:00:34they're not going to just walk in
2:00:37so that you are must quote does seem to has echoes of that but the palm products
2:00:42of 2006 they were terrible they were behind the times they just were not
2:00:46exciting whereas Tesla is doing great work they literally made the motor Trend
2:00:50Car of the Year
2:00:52phenomenal work and there you know I the Model X is not for me but even just
2:00:56listening to the stuff that they were talking about the Model X like that that
2:00:59is a phenomenal car is a really cool car right so I actually I love it I love
2:01:05that he's embracing this flat out he's brash and I think it is great for both
2:01:11companies like I wrote years years ago had a piece that Apple you know Apple
2:01:16needs an icon that Canon you know makes better cameras because they have an arch
2:01:20rival for decades in Nikon Coolpix cameras that are as good or better you
2:01:26know class that's as good or better in some ways you know that the competition
2:01:30keeps both companies better that comparison is maybe not that good
2:01:36anymore because both Canon and Nikon are sort of getting disrupted by these
2:01:41mirrorless cameras like the ones from Sony but don't don't take the analogy
2:01:46too far but anyway I just think it would be great it would be so great it's if
2:01:51Tesla keeps gravel yeah if Tesla keeps kicking ass in between now and even the
2:01:57optimistic you know twenty twenty 20 1920 19 is supposedly the goals that's
2:02:03let's if the watch shipped here lately guessed that the car will ship at least
2:02:08a year too late it's probably are probably looking at 2020 2021 yeah
2:02:12nothing could be better for Apple then for Tesla to keep kicking ass and be you
2:02:20know have a great five-year run from now until then just to keep the state of the
2:02:25art going forward
2:02:26yeah I I honestly hope they do I feeling you must be going to is one of these
2:02:31people that doesn't come around every every spring right this is he has a
2:02:36unique snowflake in a in a number of ways and to have him physically
2:02:41breathing down Apple's neck not even in a mean way just kinda even if he just
2:02:45continues to make jobs and jokes and his engineers continue to make fantastic
2:02:50stuff that I mean that's going to spur Apple to work that much harder you know
2:02:53innovation my ass is it is a great lake grumpy grumpy this you know we hate the
2:02:58fact that everybody's been complaining about us on innovating would clearly
2:03:04we're innovating but that kind of stuff I really think that does drive them a
2:03:08little bit I I was very proud of the work they do and the products that they
2:03:13make and to have somebody even even in jest saying yeah to figure out of the
2:03:20project Titan team is like a ho ya Elon Musk ok we'll show you know it's it's
2:03:25good competition is good and especially intelligent competition not like we're
2:03:30going to copy your features and then you're gonna copy ours and then vice
2:03:33versa
2:03:34that's right it's so different coming from the the the founder of companies
2:03:41now well but the most just talk the talk rocket ships but just talking cars it's
2:03:49awesome that to hear sort of straight up you know comp competitive talk from the
2:03:57leader of the most innovative I I don't see how anybody could deny you know
2:04:03they're still very expensive but in terms of how innovative the cars are I
2:04:10don't see how anybody could deny that test was the most innovative company
2:04:13even just the way that they sell the cars without having dealers selling
2:04:17direct innovative you know to have him take a poll on is just great the only
2:04:22thing I don't like is it the next day he kind of walked back a little bit but
2:04:26despite winners so his comments you know instantly they're all over the place out
2:04:31I'd probably everybody listening to this shows us something about but then the
2:04:35next day he tweeted
2:04:37I just got back here that the other quote he told this German newspaper was
2:04:41no seriously it's good that Apple is moving
2:04:43investing in this direction but cars her very complex compared the phones are
2:04:47smart watches and again that so steve jobs in in my area because he's not
2:04:53gonna make phones are smart watches and so it's such a neat rhetorical trick to
2:04:58just sort of say 2222 an Apple as a company that makes these things that are
2:05:04easy answers tomorrow at all it's not true
2:05:10it had not seen the cars are complex or just come more comp just complex in
2:05:15different ways it's a different industry the completely different industry we've
2:05:20got multi gigahertz Unix machines with touch screens with 60 frames per second
2:05:26animation that are all fit into that we carry out our pockets are right i mean
2:05:31they are amazing devices so don't don't tell me that you know cars and other
2:05:36another order of magnitude or something but it's funny anyway on Twitter he
2:05:40tweeted yo I don't head out to great company with a lot of talented people I
2:05:45love their products and I'm glad they're doing and EV electric vehicle regarding
2:05:51the watch Johnny and his team created beautiful design but the functionality
2:05:55isn't compelling yet by version 3 it will be somebody who started following
2:06:01you on my I think I started following him during the initial dragon tests
2:06:06whether they're trying to land a rocket operate and just because I some people
2:06:11were treated retweeting stuff you treat it like a CEO that's because frankly on
2:06:15Twitter and that's not John McGarry this'll be interesting to watch
2:06:19he tends to do this pretty like do the day after responsive tweets to pretty
2:06:24much every interview he's done he did it after the yeah let's drop nooks on the
2:06:28polls that happened during the Stephen Colbert where I think he just he says
2:06:34things and then he watches the media you like oh no no you're you're
2:06:38misinterpreting what I said completely ok just just for my own personal
2:06:44happiness meter I'm gonna say this and I don't necessarily think it's it's
2:06:49apologizing I think it's let me actually make sure you understand what I said UPI
2:06:56dialing it back a little you know like he's he's gonna make he he'll come out
2:07:03and that's why he's such an enjoyable personality and I can't help but think
2:07:07that having a personality like that is it really helps motivate teams you know
2:07:13and the company's it works for it in the same way that it did with jobs it bye
2:07:17bye erring on the side of having the dial turn too high it and then and then
2:07:24dialing back as necessary as opposed to being cautious and keeping the dial a
2:07:28little too low and then maybe trying to tweak it up a little bit you know you
2:07:31have to pick which side you're going to err on there yet
2:07:34by erring on the side of too much I think it's it's how you'd do the
2:07:39impossible
2:07:40yeah I absolutely i mean you can't you can't win big unless you attempt to fill
2:07:45pick and you can't i'm i'm happy with him being boisterous ridiculous it it
2:07:53did it I thought it was fun it did though it it made me and again just by
2:07:58coincidence the timing is truly coincidentally is just that the fact
2:08:03that the anniversary of Steve Jobs death was last week for years you know every
2:08:09October it comes up and it gets a little bit and it just made me think and in
2:08:13some ways it's just sad and it just you know nobody wanted to go to die so it's
2:08:17always sad to remember somebody you know beloved who died but with the Elon Musk
2:08:22comment it really made me miss him because it's Apple doesn't need somebody
2:08:29who can play that role but you know i mean it would have been back and forth
2:08:35back and forth between Steve Jobs in Elon Musk on a semi public forum would
2:08:40have been glorious and going forward making cars like as fun as it's going to
2:08:47be to have apple and Tesla competing in the space it would have been more fun if
2:08:51so I made it did make me miss ya Jaane last thing I did see the
2:09:03yeah everybody call Aaron Sorkin but it's Aaron Sorkin written and Danny
2:09:09Boyle directed
2:09:11I can see why the Aaron Sorkin I you know what all is Aaron Sorkin done is
2:09:18done few good men he's in the West Wing sports night which is still at one of my
2:09:22all-time favorite TV shows
2:09:24studio 60 which was not one of my all-time favorite TV shows like that I
2:09:28like I like it yeah exactly was flawed but had some really great moments and
2:09:32same thing with the newsroom and very flood but occasional high points in the
2:09:37occasional hyper low points but he has a style yeah dialogue and it is you either
2:09:45like it
2:09:46hated or or maybe sometimes you like it sometimes you don't but it's very
2:09:50distinctive and this movie is very very Aaron Sorkin he also wrote the the
2:09:57social network movie and the social network to me was a far more
2:10:04conventional movie it was you could tell this organisms in the way that
2:10:10characters talked but was very neutered 44 sirkin like that was the first thing
2:10:15I ever noticed with with social network is it feels very again there's little
2:10:20bits of shortening it but doesn't feel like an Aaron Sorkin production this
2:10:23this Steve Jobs is very it just screams and in ways that are good and bad in a
2:10:30way that's good the best thing I can say about it is that there's only a handful
2:10:34of major characters and they are all interesting and well with the exception
2:10:43of maybe of Christian whatever her last name was the mother of his who is sort
2:10:51of a weird in the movie just a little little mousey
2:10:58but she was she was she didn't have as much dialogue and made her little
2:11:05uncertain but the characters who were there were all vivid very very vivid it
2:11:12was not just Steve Jobs and a bunch of others it was you know a bunch of very
2:11:17interesting characters and the dialogue is good and the characters are coming
2:11:22from
2:11:23interesting perspectives and there's a lot of really really interesting
2:11:26conflict and it's entirely verbal it I enjoyed it I thought the last third drug
2:11:36a little bit its base and I think most people know the basic gist of it it
2:11:39reacts the first there and they're all these scenes that centered around Apple
2:11:45Steve Jobs product unveilings 1984 original Macintosh 1988 its next box in
2:11:521998 original iMac which we just talked about an hour ago and then there's this
2:11:58these scenes of you know personal conflict around these events but it's
2:12:02not really about the event and it's not about the products for the most part I
2:12:09thought the third one the third act with the iMac the scene drug a little bit I
2:12:14thought I like the first two much better this movie is wonder is really good I
2:12:19have to say I know there's a lot of people have to listen to the talk show
2:12:22this movie is really really going to bother you if you're the sort of person
2:12:26who wanted to be factually actor I don't understand why you'd go see a fiction
2:12:33movie I know why people expected to hit all the buttons but it was already based
2:12:40on a book that wasn't entirely you know yeah but this takes liberties though it
2:12:45does just taking liberties this is like the best way I can say is it fuels a lot
2:12:53more like a play then a movie and in fact I think it could be adapted to be a
2:12:59stage play good really easily I think the hardest part would be how to stage
2:13:04it because so much of it takes place on stages like almost feel like I was
2:13:10thinking about it
2:13:10as I came home is maybe the way to play it would be to have the actors pretend
2:13:16that the theater they're performing a play in is empty
2:13:20in at the audience isn't there but that's the way it feels to me it didn't
2:13:26really feel like a movie and it's not certain autobiography in any sense of
2:13:30the word like thinking about like I somebody on Twitter who tweeted that he
2:13:38wished their dad Martin Scorsese would do a Steve Jobs biography sorta like the
2:13:42ABA here would be so bored I mean Steve Jobs a fascinating character but i just
2:13:47i don't feel like we needed I don't think we need a diabetic noting that he
2:13:52did was as senate cinematically interesting is flying airplanes I really
2:14:00like scorsese but yeah I was abdel Ibrahim Twitter account is he be D O
2:14:13photo tweeted that which I thought was a keen observation if that's what you're
2:14:17hoping for it is not like that at all and it is not a story like you know that
2:14:22like the social network was it's you know a melodrama about his personal life
2:14:29and with Lisa's daughter
2:14:35overall I don't know why I candid I i enjoyed it but I really had to let go of
2:14:42what I know to be factually true to enjoy it and I can really see I also can
2:14:46really see why his family is not happy about it at all because some of them
2:14:50like liberties they're not just liberties they're just total
2:14:52inaccuracies so just to name one and it really the movie really centers around
2:14:57his relationship with his first daughter Lisa in the way that when she was first
2:15:01born he denied his paternity that's all factually true we don't we know that and
2:15:06complaining about this is that knee jerk response I get when I bring this stuff
2:15:11up is that people think that if your people like me who is a fan of Steve
2:15:15Jobs want this stuff buried and we don't want to talk about it we don't want to
2:15:19be out there because it's uncomfortable and it's ugly it's unfortunate that's
2:15:24not the case at all and nobody who I know who really cares about it is is
2:15:28saying those things and in a way that he could be almost tyrannical to work for
2:15:33nobody is asking people not to remember that order sweep it under the carpet
2:15:37they're just asking for it to be put into context and the thing that I could
2:15:42see would be so painful it's it's is in the movie he in 1998 when iMac thing he
2:15:50still hasn't reconciled with his daughter Lisa
2:15:53he sort of does right before he goes on to datetime field iMac which is
2:15:59ridiculous if you think a wide world would he be doing at Lake as like the PR
2:16:05people are saying let you know your thirty seconds later minute lead you
2:16:08know you know did not have it doesn't seem like jobs at all besides if you
2:16:13were if you're talking about you know someone who is excessively focused over
2:16:18rehearsing and all of that you know right no one gets to come near me for 24
2:16:22hours
2:16:23right and actually that's his ways and the character that Michael Fassbender
2:16:28plays is interesting and he's great he's what he is a great actor and it's a very
2:16:32interesting character but the character he plays bears no resemblance to Steve
2:16:35Jobs yeah it's so in short what I almost wish is almost wish that they had done
2:16:41like like something like citizen keep this wouldn't have sold because it's the
2:16:45name Steve Jobs that is selling tickets to think but like Citizen Kane was a
2:16:50thinly veiled biography of William Randolph Hearst and instead of naming
2:16:57the guy William Randolph Hearst they made a had enough legal problems dealing
2:17:01with hearst as is
2:17:02hearst almost cut though the negative burned by naming the guy what's his name
2:17:08child's foster Charles Foster Kane so funny I remember the faster but Charles
2:17:14George Foster Kane Charles Foster Kane they had enough problems as it but it in
2:17:19addition to the fact that it helped them legally it just let them take liberties
2:17:23that they couldn't take otherwise but in real life steve Jobs was married to you
2:17:32know larry powell jobs by this time in the early nineties and they had kids of
2:17:37their own and that family reconciled with Lisa at some point in the nineties
2:17:43and brighter in and she was living with them for a time and you know whatever
2:17:47damage was done early in his life had gotten a lot better and Steve Jobs it
2:17:53really turned around
2:17:55well before 1998 whereas this movie paints a portrait of somebody who is no
2:18:02rambo resemblance to reality at all and I just and right and then just a little
2:18:08factual things are going to drive nerds crazy is that like in 1998 Steve woz
2:18:14Wozniak was still bugging jobs to thank the Apple to engineering team at the
2:18:21appt at the iMac introduction
2:18:24and I swear to God and and jobs claims was for the Newton
2:18:35so if things like that would bother you like you would there's no way that you
2:18:43can get around them and just pretend that this is totally fictional fable
2:18:48loosely based on somebody named Steve Jobs at Apple do not see this movie if
2:18:53you if you don't want that shit Steve Jobs blame lies the act for the news
2:18:57then do not watch this you know so a couple of plays and 11 of them I saw
2:19:07pretty recently called the Farnsworth invention which is a story about the
2:19:12founding of television essentially it's it's a very very good show if you know
2:19:18nothing about the founding of television would just say it centers around a guy
2:19:23named Philo Farnsworth and then RCA basically Farnsworth RCA were
2:19:28simultaneously developing television and then it deals with basically their legal
2:19:32battles where Farnsworth alleges that RCA basically steals the founding of
2:19:36television all of that is true the hyper like the the pivotal point in the script
2:19:42which is how the legal battle results is wildly different from the actual results
2:19:49of of the world's like what actually happened in real life and a lot of
2:19:53people when they first saw the fifth the show or just kind of like what
2:19:58but Sorkin went that way because he wanted to make his point he wanted he
2:20:02was telling a story and whether or not the story actually lined up with real
2:20:08logistical history
2:20:10doesn't matter if they had her which is very much what I kind of feel like even
2:20:17from the earliest trailers of Steve Jobs again I really I wish it hadn't been
2:20:23called that I wish they had figured out a different title I wish that they had
2:20:26taken more liberties with it because I think it
2:20:29Charles Foster Kane US citizen kane version of Steve Jobs is life would be
2:20:35fascinating just like a steve King version of Elon Musk's life would be
2:20:40fascinating and it's not it again because it's just these three little
2:20:46scenes you know surrounding these products event it wouldn't have this
2:20:50movie wouldn't even with giving everybody fake names wouldn't have that
2:20:54the scope of a citizen kane no scope but that's sort of I don't know or just wait
2:21:01a few decades literally decades so that it's not not so fresh right I mean I met
2:21:07you know I remember the iMac launched I'm sure you do to really wasn't that
2:21:13long ago not even 20 years back the people are so if if two-thirds of the
2:21:21people in this film are still living in Moneyball was the same issue right I
2:21:27don't I actually don't know the logistic like I read the book but the book in the
2:21:30film or a little bit different in my ways but I don't even yeah I don't know
2:21:36if feels it feels weird I don't like watching biopics especially recent pics
2:21:40for that very reason yeah I think Moneyball again it's weird and I do
2:21:45realize too that I'm intimately familiar with apple and their products and you
2:21:50know at least Steve Jobs is public life and so obvious inaccuracies jump out to
2:21:56me and in a way that I'm not quite with Moneyball because I'm a baseball fan but
2:22:01I can't say that I followed the Oakland Athletics to the degree that I follow
2:22:05Apple
2:22:06but I think that the money I don't think people associated with it the real
2:22:11people in it really had money much to complain about
2:22:14yeah I don't think Billy being a complainer Brad Pitt is playing you know
2:22:19I'm great on every level you know I don't know it's it's why I have very
2:22:27mixed feelings about it it's not it was an enjoyable movie but it's absolutely
2:22:32positively wasn't don't have anything to do with jobs are almost very little I
2:22:40would have been surprised if it did honestly I wanted to tell a character
2:22:44study and he wanted to he wanted to shape the character in the he's been
2:22:47really obsessed the last couple I wanna see the last couple projects done with
2:22:51father-daughter relationships you know yes yeah I think that was more of his
2:22:58like oh yeah I can read the Steve Jobs movie but not actually gonna write about
2:23:02Steve Jobs in the right about what I want to write about and that is
2:23:05fundamentally that is what this movie's about Aaron Sorkin Steve Jobs is is a
2:23:09father-daughter relationship story which could have been great great movie if it
2:23:14was entitled to jobs and even in in my opinion even
2:23:19with that it was increased because I thought that third third act was really
2:23:23like that it just was just didn't ring true
2:23:30not not true to like what I know to be factually true but like just contrived
2:23:35is maybe the word yeah here's my notes melodramatic be contrived it's probably
2:23:41a better word and I thought even even bordering a little bit boring and it'll
2:23:47be interesting to see how it plays I'm curious to see how big of a hit as I
2:23:50will say this to end it really made me cringe as it was a theater full of
2:23:54college students good crowd I mean it was free I think free movies go over
2:23:58pretty well pretty well oncologists
2:24:01when their credit came up everybody's up there is a young woman right behind me
2:24:10she said her friend wow that was my dad I'd be using an Android I swear to god
2:24:18that was what she does not paint a good picture know and I just like that it was
2:24:30there that I don't really understand if you really wanted to tell
2:24:33father-daughter piece you could have done a really interesting things I mean
2:24:37I think the iMac from a product standpoint is it pretty pivotal moment
2:24:41in Apple's history but I you know if you really wanted to compare Steve Jobs the
2:24:46father you should have done the iPhone release because that actually gives him
2:24:50a family that's not Lisa you know that that gives him a chance to basically
2:24:56press the redo button on being a father and I don't know this is me rewriting
2:25:02rewriting Aaron Sorkin
2:25:04I know better than anyone during screenwriter but I i'm
2:25:08this is not a lot you know that's the thing there isn't really much of a plot
2:25:13to spoil I mean it's a biopic never even get because it ends in 1998 there's
2:25:18absolutely no know nothing about his illness or anything like that but it's
2:25:23like they can't help themselves and it's like oh come on in 1998 is darrow's to
2:25:28walk around with it
2:25:29I'm gonna fix that i'm gonna put 500 songs pocket now 5,000 songs not well
2:25:36between 500 and 5,000 but I'm gonna do it I'm gonna put it in your pocket cause
2:25:39I'm so sick of seeing you with that stupid a player and it's ok
2:25:46zactly exactly they turned to the camera you get a little musical staying at the
2:25:56shame you know i i really like stored in the he's he's very flawed as a writer
2:26:01but I I love I love musical dialogue and yes the idea yet the idea of creating
2:26:08jobs or at least very issues like jobs has great musical dialogue Sorkin has
2:26:14great musical dialogue this could possibly be amazing or Sorkin could fall
2:26:18down one of his rivals and it could be I do it there is good dialogue I'm again
2:26:23you have to be able to let go and I i enough of a a cinema fans that I can
2:26:29sort of at times if the movie is made by talented people I can I can disengage
2:26:34from whether or not the movie is driving me in and just sort of watch it in a
2:26:38different way and I could do that and they're definitely could like what's her
2:26:43name who plays Joanna Hoffman Kate Winslet Kate Winslet really really good
2:26:48I think if anybody gets any kind of award nominations are going to be her I
2:26:52think she's remarkable and it's a great character and I don't know anything
2:26:56about the real join often so I can compare it you know i i don't know but
2:27:00she has a super great role in this movie really well written really great dynamic
2:27:07over the you know the fifteen-year stretch that it covers and she just
2:27:13she's the reason to see the movie I think and it's it's a great performance
2:27:18in really really well written character that's actually really phenomenal here
2:27:24because I know Sorkin's had trouble writing women lately so I think that
2:27:27she's she's the exam is it a great great female character in my opinion
2:27:32number one reason to watch a movie and I can totally see why actors would want to
2:27:36play his characters because I really feel like
2:27:39yeah yeah I feel like I feel like I said all the main characters jobs and and
2:27:46Joanna Hoffman and Andy Herzfeld and why was and although the whys that Seth
2:27:52Rogen place again is why I would say he bears less resemblance to the real was
2:27:57then then Fassbender's jobs does he doesnt bear any resemblance to the real
2:28:01wise not even just physically just everything about him is very different
2:28:04but it's an interesting character in a movie if you don't pretend that he's was
2:28:07was and especially john sculley played by gosh what his name Jeff Jeff Jeff
2:28:18Daniels love and he and he does so well with Sorkin's rating I mean he's a
2:28:22highlight of the newsroom for me and he he really steals the show in this too
2:28:27and he does have a huge role but he's one of the major you know major
2:28:31characters and he's he's really good really really good
2:28:34yeah so anyway that's that's my talk show review of Steve Jobs good good good
2:28:43overview I think I will see it I you should see I would recommend these I
2:28:48mean I just came I'm gonna go into it as you said with with film critic eyes on
2:28:54and not with not with tech writer job eyes on its I'll bet you'll come out
2:29:00another way to put it is it's exactly what you think it is
2:29:04yeah and it's disappointing in some ways but we're seeing others if you can put
2:29:10aside their actual stuff you can protect if you can ignore the fact that most of
2:29:14the movie isn't actually true but it's fiction I i'm not accept I wasn't
2:29:20expecting to do a note for note by a pic when it was announced that he was
2:29:25writing it fly
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2:29:52serenity Caldwell people can read your work I'm or dot com and on Twitter you
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2:30:05anything else you wanna anything else you wanna books that came out we did
2:30:10read in a book on Apple music if you're if you're having trouble with that the
2:30:14big thing is actually not tech related to my tech related and that Jason Snell
2:30:18of a former macro 106 colors fame and myself and David lawyer who is a
2:30:22playwright and also Twitter enthusiasts along with a whole host of other people
2:30:27have put together a old timey radio theatre podcast called the incomparable
2:30:32radio theatre and we're doing season one right now
2:30:34454 episodes in I think of a twelve episodes season it's been really fun
2:30:40lots of guest voices that you may recognize from the tech community and
2:30:46also you know get cameos just left and right it's it's been a blast at such a
2:30:50fun like late record late night put together
2:30:54Jason does magic of editing wizardry Chris Prine formerly of back roads of
2:30:59Apple does amazing music it's just it's it's works for a company he does work
2:31:06for food company
2:31:08it does sound like fun I will put a link to that new show nodes and
2:31:14it seems as though everybody it seems like everybody's desperate for podcast
2:31:17to listen to because last week mark and i were talking about hello internet and
2:31:22hello internet shut up from Mike number three on the overcast recommended list a
2:31:26number one passing even Marcos own podcast and I know that is entirely
2:31:31markers doing but anybody looking for a good podcast that does sound like fun
2:31:36and it also sound like it's a lot different than the average text show to
2:31:41people talking about this week's news
2:31:44texture so anyway I will put a link into that sounds great thank you serenity
2:31:48thank you John actually before we go i did want to mention it just happened
2:31:52today Gary Allen who ran i oh yeah yeah he just passed away from brain cancer
2:31:57which is in part why he shut down I and i know i as somebody as a former Apple
2:32:05retail employee and someone who religiously checked that site for many
2:32:08years it feels like we lost a good one today
2:32:11really does and it makes me sad I never really I don't think I ever met him
2:32:16either a lot over the years because he was the definitive I mean what a weird
2:32:21be paid to eke out but that's a crazy beat but then for years to come
2:32:27you know the source and if there was nothing to write it in right and if
2:32:31they're new stores who wrote about him but when he's stopped writing the site
2:32:36back in March I was just that well all right he's done but it turns out there
2:32:40was because he didn't want to go public within have people you know
2:32:48yeah so anyway my best to anybody who knew and friends or family
2:32:55he will be missed
2:32:59all right thank you serenity thank you john was a blast talk to you soon