The Talk Show

133: ‘The MacGuffin Tractor’, With Special Guest Serenity Caldwell


00:00:00   alright don't know jack hammer is no law no instruments thank god it was the [TS]

00:00:07   funniest coincident over there any way certainly Caldwell is here yesterday we [TS]

00:00:11   tried to record this episode and I had a jackhammer outside my window and then [TS]

00:00:16   when that stopped a long career shutout outside surrendered his window with a [TS]

00:00:22   rock mark the the biggest one more I've ever seen for a portable on group it was [TS]

00:00:27   quite something but not very conducive to podcasting what that Big John Deere [TS]

00:00:32   that was fixin never did get pretty much that we know easier louder that's right [TS]

00:00:40   you never did never to fix the tractor whatever the MacGuffin tractor right so [TS]

00:00:49   I don't have a lot going on new iMacs no no no no no MacBooks no new MacBooks [TS]

00:00:57   they are still on the on the watch list I don't know if we'll get new MacBooks [TS]

00:01:00   before the end of the year I would have guessed I think if we would have it [TS]

00:01:03   would have happened all at once [TS]

00:01:04   yeah yeah I don't see there's no need to have a third nonexistent event this is [TS]

00:01:11   where I being a podcaster I'm starting to get lazy I'm not super well informed [TS]

00:01:15   on the new iMacs are you [TS]

00:01:17   yeah I mean I guess I got you covered john Payne got the information a little [TS]

00:01:26   bit early and was able to basically an FAQ of epic proportions to fill out so [TS]

00:01:31   we've got new 21.5 inch iMacs is the biggest news and they are for cairo it's [TS]

00:01:38   only like the original 27 inch iMac it's only the top end model that threaten us [TS]

00:01:44   you can still get 21.5 inch iMac Center your normal for her than average [TS]

00:01:51   resolution quality in comparison to the rest of the Mac and iOS line but those [TS]

00:01:56   started I think $14.99 [TS]

00:01:57   finance for K or slightly more than four ka think it's like fork 8.5 with in [TS]

00:02:05   cruised color definition they're using the same I don't know the phrase off the [TS]

00:02:12   top of my head because of a bad film student but they're basically using the [TS]

00:02:14   same color profiles as you would with the digital projectors so it allows it [TS]

00:02:20   to be more true to life when you're editing when your color correcting video [TS]

00:02:23   and photo photography and the 27 inch iMacs get that you don't get a boost [TS]

00:02:28   above their five k they're still five K and medical and fire to just get sucked [TS]

00:02:35   into their beautiful screen but they also have improved definition and they [TS]

00:02:39   get sky Lake Intel's next-generation processor has been a long time coming [TS]

00:02:45   but no Thunderbolt three and the 21.5 inch iMacs are still stuck on rockwell's [TS]

00:02:51   because the integrated Intel processor graphics processor doesn't play nice [TS]

00:02:56   with yet because route maps yeah so now my year old 5 can act it is outdated a [TS]

00:03:06   little bit outdated I was eight I was looking at some of the best I think [TS]

00:03:08   Jason Snell's review had a national benchmarks from deep bench and it was [TS]

00:03:12   saying oh yeah the new 21.5 inch iMac outpaces 445 K 27 inch iMacs I'm kind of [TS]

00:03:20   glad I waited now though I'm still I'm gonna go in for the 21.5 inches so the [TS]

00:03:27   27 inches still gonna cook bacon with fancy sky like [TS]

00:03:32   jumbled I don't feel too bad about it all you got a whole year as the king of [TS]

00:03:38   the hill and I still subscribe to the III like to buy a Mac accident and then [TS]

00:03:44   use it until four years until it gets low as I still find it even with Dropbox [TS]

00:03:49   iCloud and other things I still find it takes me forever to get a Mac setup just [TS]

00:03:55   the way I want yes even though I mean it's been it's gotten a lot better than [TS]

00:03:58   it used to be where I still remember the days of just having to clone my hard [TS]

00:04:02   drive because the idea of reinstalling all of my applications and to you my [TS]

00:04:07   preferences just made me want [TS]

00:04:08   throw up but yeah I i feel the same way I still have a 2008 MacBook Pro unibody [TS]

00:04:16   MacBook Pro that I put an SSD end three years ago and it's still almost as fast [TS]

00:04:22   as my macbook air it's a pain in the butt has its fifteen inches and it's not [TS]

00:04:27   really a super portable machine and it's not right but it's one of those things [TS]

00:04:32   where like it still perfectly good and it still fast I feel we're just being [TS]

00:04:38   like no sorry you're gonna go in a drawer anywhere you really can't do that [TS]

00:04:42   for an iMac no I i really I do what I did last year about this is I just [TS]

00:04:47   bought the best one that they would so I just maxed out the RAM I got the one [TS]

00:04:52   terabyte SST so you know it's like 3003 $3,500 money but my thinking is just max [TS]

00:05:04   it out and I use it for at least four years and then by the time I upgraded [TS]

00:05:09   but anyway it's the color stuff hurts a little bit because I think they are [TS]

00:05:15   correct me if I'm wrong you probably know more about this to me to me that [TS]

00:05:18   the old consumer gold standard was the sRGB color space yes correct and the [TS]

00:05:25   basic gist if you just want to get a handle on this is that the new color [TS]

00:05:29   space that that all of these retina displays both the 21 inches and the 27 [TS]

00:05:36   inch is significantly bigger than sRGB it's it's much more of a pro color space [TS]

00:05:42   very much so I'm very very similar to the kind of output that you're going to [TS]

00:05:46   get onto shore projectors and i'm looking up for days [TS]

00:05:49   FAQ now so I can actually have specific terms they're using DCI P three which is [TS]

00:05:56   the same color spaces by digital movie theaters and they're using a different [TS]

00:06:01   led type display now it's a more advanced red green phosphor led which [TS]

00:06:09   allows them to do better color balance and hit wider ranges of colors that [TS]

00:06:13   combined with the new Ghostface really [TS]

00:06:15   really makes for some crystal clear photos and video did not not that the [TS]

00:06:20   five kids was hurting in that before but I do feel that professional professional [TS]

00:06:27   editors are going to hear that and just be like why don't I own this machine why [TS]

00:06:35   can't I just replace it away I can't I just have to spend a ton of money and I [TS]

00:06:39   think it's funny it's funny the way that even with the max they're sort of as [TS]

00:06:44   they marched towards this already [TS]

00:06:47   lineup I mean it's it's year-by-year March for now it's by far the [TS]

00:06:53   overwhelming majority of the project products are alright finally and it's [TS]

00:06:58   funny the way it sort of follows like the president that they've set with the [TS]

00:07:02   iPad's like to me that that 21 inch iMac is sorta like the iPad Mini compared to [TS]

00:07:11   the iPad air which is the 27 inch iMac so it gets everything the year ahead [TS]

00:07:15   because retina first now a year later you can only get the 27 engine red and [TS]

00:07:23   the 21 inch does exactly what the 27 instead last year which is there's a [TS]

00:07:28   high-end model with a Retina display but you can still get that done so my guess [TS]

00:07:33   is by next year there will be no more naan bread IMAX [TS]

00:07:37   their only be even higher resolution written IMAX yeah yeah i i really like [TS]

00:07:42   this from a business standpoint it seems like a good way to rule things out at [TS]

00:07:47   the lake over these displays are too expensive for your average user to want [TS]

00:07:51   to wait till three thousand plus dollars so we're gonna put him in the high-end [TS]

00:07:55   models for the people who are really going to appreciate them and be able to [TS]

00:07:58   spend money on them and then the more money they spend on them the more orders [TS]

00:08:02   that we can place with our suppliers the more orders we can place their suppliers [TS]

00:08:05   we can bring the cost down and it just trickles down into the rest of the rest [TS]

00:08:10   of the line the what he called the low end model I don't even know what it used [TS]

00:08:15   to be but it's it is kind of its seems kinda wimpy [TS]

00:08:19   1690 like [TS]

00:08:23   none of us really talk about her anymore I mean it's gotten away from us but when [TS]

00:08:28   it's half the speed guards as the one that only $400 more kind of sticks out [TS]

00:08:35   definitely an upsell I mean I have to assume that these the low-end models are [TS]

00:08:41   really designed for the education market or they're designed for the folks who oh [TS]

00:08:45   well you just need an iMac in your place of business or you need a iMac this [TS]

00:08:50   essentially a glorified displayed to play a movie on education anymore [TS]

00:08:56   because I think that this immense of Education has gone to laptop form [TS]

00:09:00   factors of you know a lot of Chromebooks let's for sure no question but you know [TS]

00:09:07   it doesn't seem to me like school and end is a practical aspect of that too [TS]

00:09:11   like if you're gonna go with IMAX you need to set them up in a permanent spot [TS]

00:09:16   whereas the whole just moving special election but I'm familiar with that my [TS]

00:09:22   son with the elementary school it's that they can take the Chromebooks and the [TS]

00:09:28   MacBooks out when they need them and work we know on the regular desks that [TS]

00:09:34   they used for everything else yeah you don't need to go into a separate [TS]

00:09:36   computer and I think I'm more and more thinking administration was exactly [TS]

00:09:40   you're looking at your nonprofit's for people who really don't have a big [TS]

00:09:44   budget for their electronics which is sad little bit in 2015 or if you're just [TS]

00:09:49   gonna use it as the machine at the front desk for people to sign in or something [TS]

00:09:54   and you really don't need performance if you haven't switched already to an iPad [TS]

00:09:58   but also people complaining about 900 people are complaining that the hard [TS]

00:10:05   drive is 5400 rpm yeah I'm I'm I would rather complain that they're not a [TS]

00:10:11   sixties in the [TS]

00:10:12   by default but you know if I guess we want to complain about hard drives [TS]

00:10:18   we can complain about hard drives me but I think it has something to do with the [TS]

00:10:21   21.5 inches 2.5 inch hard drive as opposed to a 3.5 inch drives so little [TS]

00:10:28   bit trickier there ya in a weird way even though it's 21 inches it's sort of [TS]

00:10:33   like that in some ways I think the guts of a laptop will when you think about [TS]

00:10:40   how thin the twenty fun point five inch iMac is and just how much space of that [TS]

00:10:44   has to be filled with oh you know giant retina display and cooling said giant [TS]

00:10:50   Retina Display you really don't have all that much more area to put in high-level [TS]

00:10:56   chips without necessary unless unless they figure out a way to flatten silicon [TS]

00:11:01   even more like oh yes we're going to line the edges of the iMac display with [TS]

00:11:07   with silicon chips now I did notice to the 21 in the storage for flash only [TS]

00:11:14   goes up to 512 [TS]

00:11:16   a terabyte years but I guess that kind of makes sense I feel like there's a [TS]

00:11:20   terabyte of fights towards is still very expensive relative to hard drive prices [TS]

00:11:26   for sure and I guess once you're in that sort of budget range you're looking at [TS]

00:11:31   the 27 inch anyway yeah when I was pricing out my 20 15 and for me i i [TS]

00:11:36   prefer slightly the 20 15 space for my desk because I don't know the 27 inch [TS]

00:11:42   thick is gorgeous but i feel myself getting lost in that space especially in [TS]

00:11:46   retina it's just it's too much too much for me unless I'm editing video in which [TS]

00:11:50   case I'll this is nice pixel for pixel for kate is great but when I was pricing [TS]

00:11:55   out my 21.5 inch iMac [TS]

00:11:58   I was looking at the braces like alright so I'm upgrade to a fusion drive and I'm [TS]

00:12:02   upgrading the memory [TS]

00:12:05   putting on a magic trackpad because and then i'm looking at the price I'm like [TS]

00:12:10   this is basically the price of a mid-level high level 27 inch iMac and I [TS]

00:12:19   yeah I think you're absolutely right where people look at that price like [TS]

00:12:22   well but I could go bigger and bigger would make bigger is always better rate [TS]

00:12:27   and the most part I i you know I get there are certain circumstances where I [TS]

00:12:32   actually think a 21.5 is better than a twenty-seven but I think for the vast [TS]

00:12:35   majority of users alike so I can get a bigger screen for the same amount of [TS]

00:12:38   tweaking is you know I would pay for trying to upgrade the internals of a [TS]

00:12:43   twenty 15 sign me up is all of the RAM you know this is the RAM soldered onto [TS]

00:12:50   the motherboard is in the twenty 15 it is not in the twenty 1717 the 28th so [TS]

00:12:59   it's just another way where there is sort of a consumer's last pro split [TS]

00:13:03   between 21 and 27 it's very I think the 21 is still very much marketed towards [TS]

00:13:09   the end even the entry level user but the user who either has their first Mac [TS]

00:13:15   or is about to get their first Mac and needs a desktop or a laptop and iPad I [TS]

00:13:22   kind of feel I i understand you know that there's a couple people on Twitter [TS]

00:13:27   and email me about the soldering the RAM and it seems like that's a real sticking [TS]

00:13:32   point for certain segment of the audience but I really feel like it's [TS]

00:13:36   almost like we're lucky that you can do it I can hear the machines anymore just [TS]

00:13:40   not the way of the future [TS]

00:13:43   your computers from Apple come out of China completely set so my dad you know [TS]

00:13:52   I i've you know take it you know so that the fact that you can still add you to [TS]

00:13:56   do with the RAM on your own on the 27 inch take that as a win and I wouldn't [TS]

00:14:01   lose much sleep over the 21.5 being you know you choose either 16 then live with [TS]

00:14:05   it forever [TS]

00:14:07   exactly I would I would much prefer to be able to [TS]

00:14:10   to remove in and cuddle with Ram and there's a there's a model to do that but [TS]

00:14:15   for the again the average user I just don't think there's now and I feel like [TS]

00:14:20   it's another it's another way that the iOS devices again I i you know people [TS]

00:14:25   keep asking Apple keeps saying no we're not going to have one operating system [TS]

00:14:29   for everything and i really think that they're serious about it but they are [TS]

00:14:33   you you can see where you know one platform is going by where the other [TS]

00:14:40   platform is gone first and the iOS hardware model of there's nothing that [TS]

00:14:46   you can alter or adjust there's no way to put a memory card in to expand the [TS]

00:14:53   storage or anything like that is definitely the way the Mac is heading [TS]

00:14:57   and I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing anymore I know there's a lot [TS]

00:15:04   of people have been arms words repairable and what if I want to tinker [TS]

00:15:07   with my computer Bild computer it's just not going to be from Apple I don't see [TS]

00:15:16   that there's something wrong with Apple saying you know what we know what the [TS]

00:15:19   best processors in the market are gonna be we know what the the best memories [TS]

00:15:23   going to be and we're going to package it up in a in a package that actually [TS]

00:15:27   makes sense for you as a user that would give you real world usage I mean we've [TS]

00:15:32   never been able to tinker with an iPhone's internals I don't think [TS]

00:15:34   anybody's complaining about that because most people wouldn't know how to even [TS]

00:15:37   begin to solder microarchitecture it's only because the IMAX architecture is [TS]

00:15:42   big enough that we at one point we're able to feasibly play around with it [TS]

00:15:46   there were like yeah we can totally build a better computer that Apple no [TS]

00:15:49   problem [TS]

00:15:49   Apple's totally wrong you don't need a us-based you need more than 8 gigabytes [TS]

00:15:53   of RAM and that I kinda agree with the general population but but still I I [TS]

00:15:58   don't think it's necessarily a bad thing and then last you touch son has a few [TS]

00:16:03   minutes ago but it's at this point and I don't think the macros down I think that [TS]

00:16:08   there will be a new one [TS]

00:16:09   some point but who knows when and you don't have to just look at the new Darth [TS]

00:16:16   Vader Mac Pro you could just look back [TS]

00:16:19   maybe even gone back close to 10 years now that the Mac Pro just does not see [TS]

00:16:24   updates anywhere near on a yearly schedule no it doesn't make sense also [TS]

00:16:30   to be perfectly honest because the Mac Pro as such different internals than the [TS]

00:16:35   other the other two lines and because they're internals are very at least at [TS]

00:16:39   this point very hog-tied to Intel's rollout schedule like it doesn't make [TS]

00:16:43   sense for the for the Mac Pro to be updated until they can have a processor [TS]

00:16:47   that has full Thunderbolt 3 functionality so they could you know say [TS]

00:16:50   release the retina display with wonderful three so that people could [TS]

00:16:55   have their therefore k display without an iMac but it doesn't like I don't know [TS]

00:17:00   it seems it seems silly to me to push like incremental updates to the MacBook [TS]

00:17:04   Pro or iMac the macro because the only the only people who are buying it are at [TS]

00:17:10   this point are serious Bros because the my Mac has filled that kind of semi-pro [TS]

00:17:13   hole so if you're buying a serious pro machine you're only gonna upgrade your [TS]

00:17:18   serious Pro machine like we were talking about earlier when year old pro machine [TS]

00:17:22   is about ready to die or if it does something so spectacularly different [TS]

00:17:27   that is going to be better for you [TS]

00:17:28   yeah but for some people I think it's clearly the the big iMac 27 inch iMac is [TS]

00:17:35   the the proper Pro machine for them like I'm thinking like the top especially [TS]

00:17:40   like photographers and video editors because of the extra color space because [TS]

00:17:45   there is no retina display from Apple you know the only way to get it [TS]

00:17:49   anything like a Retina Display is sort of a hack at this point with the Mac Pro [TS]

00:17:54   it I think it's clearly the better machine but then I wonder if they buy [TS]

00:18:01   them now they're gonna be mad if you know Mac Pros are announced the WBC or [TS]

00:18:05   something like that yeah where they go and now we have a thunderbolt 3 Retina [TS]

00:18:09   Display I mean when you're talking about that kind of a space it depends on what [TS]

00:18:15   projects you working on right now right if they need retina support if they're [TS]

00:18:19   working on for gay video and actively doing that for their job they're going [TS]

00:18:24   to want a good forty monitor and the real question is well can I get that [TS]

00:18:28   from a third party and is it still look great [TS]

00:18:30   or do I want to go [TS]

00:18:31   to you know machine that has DCI color space and use that instead and I think [TS]

00:18:38   that might be the the side effect will they will they be than grumpy you if [TS]

00:18:41   Apple's like yes now we have a probe that supports the retina display there [TS]

00:18:44   but if they needed that functionality six months ago then that that [TS]

00:18:49   announcement six months later isn't going to help them to help them finish [TS]

00:18:52   this project today maybe you know maybe this is wishful thinking but maybe once [TS]

00:18:59   I feel like in a lot of ways all of these machines that the move to read now [TS]

00:19:05   has been difficult for every single thing because it's always a lot because [TS]

00:19:09   you're effectively going to four times the pixels you know at least at some [TS]

00:19:14   point you're gonna say here's a new here's a new machine that replaces one [TS]

00:19:18   from last year and it has four times the pictures right i mean in shows like it [TS]

00:19:22   was a huge deal when the iPhone 4 when 2010 and the iMac iPad took a lot of [TS]

00:19:28   follow max took a long time the following was only on one model the 15 [TS]

00:19:33   inch MacBook Pro at first and I feel like the Mac Pro is the last and it's [TS]

00:19:40   the hardest because they can't just seal it all up like with a member that the [TS]

00:19:45   crazy story about how they got 25 K iMac last year was with this weird internal [TS]

00:19:52   how are they driving all those pixels when it seems like there isn't a [TS]

00:19:55   graphics card to do it and they had to write their own you know there are you [TS]

00:19:59   ok right now had to invent hardware to do it with a Mac Pro they really are [TS]

00:20:04   stuck waiting on Thunderbolt three cuz it has to be cable yet they can't they [TS]

00:20:09   can trade their own graphics controller machine that they're not you know if [TS]

00:20:14   they just don't have the they don't have the flexibility right now without having [TS]

00:20:18   a displayed they connect via 303 or something along those lines so maybe [TS]

00:20:22   once they make this one going maybe once they make that leap and maybe you know i [TS]

00:20:27   i i can't help but think it's a 2016 think that at some point in 2016 whether [TS]

00:20:32   it's early in the year [TS]

00:20:33   WTC or next october at the latest that they'll have a Mac Pro update and aid [TS]

00:20:39   you know whatever they're going to call it [TS]

00:20:41   Cinema Display Thunderbolt three [TS]

00:20:43   display whatever but a stand-alone Retina Display comfortable or even [TS]

00:20:48   better than the five cash Mac display for Mac Pros [TS]

00:20:53   by then maybe once they make that leap maybe then the Mac Pro can see slightly [TS]

00:20:58   more regular incremental updates because they've already made that jump and he [TS]

00:21:02   can just sort of keep he maintained right keep dipping in with the latest [TS]

00:21:08   and greatest incremental updates from Intel yes I mean until until they decide [TS]

00:21:14   to make another logical leap which Intel is unable to [TS]

00:21:18   if you like the more time that power pc's and we're suddenly in the early two [TS]

00:21:21   thousands it's it's so weird to me that all of a sudden you know Intel which we [TS]

00:21:26   used to hold up this kind of the gold standard of Lake regular text updates is [TS]

00:21:30   now very much a little drunk where her what MacBook Pros were waiting on [TS]

00:21:36   probable chips for a very long time [TS]

00:21:39   the new I'm actually waiting on Sky lake and and she shipped half-and-half [TS]

00:21:44   stuff is so crazy the macros are probably waiting on Sky leak and [TS]

00:21:48   Thunderball 32 to build proper Cinema Display is why I wonder also how long [TS]

00:21:54   AAPL is going to continue being like well we have to wait around for our [TS]

00:21:57   manufacturing partners as they really they've cut most of that out on the on [TS]

00:22:02   the iOS line you know they're they're not waiting around for a lot of people [TS]

00:22:05   cause they're building their own chips now I well I don't know I don't think [TS]

00:22:09   they can do that on the high end process ID with it with Intel yea certainly not [TS]

00:22:14   right now and then they even in the foreseeable future if you know in this [TS]

00:22:18   is rabbit hole we don't have to go down but the whole idea of arm-based max [TS]

00:22:22   clearly in the same way that retina came in at you know step-by-step arm-based [TS]

00:22:28   max if it ever happens are gonna come in not all at once but step by step and [TS]

00:22:32   it's gonna start with the you know one port MacBook oh yeah it all started the [TS]

00:22:37   very low and I don't even yeah I can't I can't imagine and are an arm-based Mac [TS]

00:22:41   Pros [TS]

00:22:42   definitely a ways away yeah that's possible but it's you know that's that's [TS]

00:22:47   outside the event horizon and yes I guess the thing that leaves people with [TS]

00:22:53   a bad taste amount though is that if you if you are a premium customer and you [TS]

00:22:58   have money to burn [TS]

00:22:59   it's easy to feel confident that you've got the best thing you can just go in [TS]

00:23:04   and you know if your gonna buy an iPhone if you're willing to if you like the [TS]

00:23:11   bigger size or just willing to put up with a bigger size if you get the 60 S [TS]

00:23:15   Plus and you max the storage you know you're getting the best of everything [TS]

00:23:19   your got the image stabilization on the camera and all the best performance and [TS]

00:23:25   if you don't like the bigger size you know exactly what you're missing out you [TS]

00:23:29   are you missing out on his image stabilization and you've got the best [TS]

00:23:32   iPhone iPad it's really easy to get the best iPad everybody knows that the new [TS]

00:23:37   iPad Pro is going to be the most powerful iPad and it's the only one that [TS]

00:23:42   has the the new you know pen-based green pencil or pen yeah so you know and you [TS]

00:23:51   know what the tradeoff is it's the physical size of the device and I think [TS]

00:23:55   with these people with a bad taste in our mouths when they've dropped a lot of [TS]

00:23:58   money on a Mac Pro rig is the head that they look around in there like I don't [TS]

00:24:02   have the best of anything [TS]

00:24:03   yeah I'm it I'm in this purgatory this probe this pro purgatory hell yeah I [TS]

00:24:11   mean I've talked to a lot of I have a lot of friends in the film industry a [TS]

00:24:15   lot of people have been slowly but surely switching away from Mac Pros and [TS]

00:24:20   I guess Mac Pros make sense to a certain extent I guess if you want to rig up you [TS]

00:24:24   know a massive yeah I shouldn't say that they don't have the best of everything [TS]

00:24:26   they do have the best expansion and they do have liked for certain [TS]

00:24:32   computationally intensive tasks that the having a course or however many course [TS]

00:24:38   you can make something out of six right you can really you know you can do [TS]

00:24:43   certain tasks that if you can split them up in parallel like that really you can [TS]

00:24:47   see tremendous advantages so there are some but it's a mixed bag for your [TS]

00:24:51   trading off like [TS]

00:24:52   you don't have the display anywhere near as nice as 25 came back in a fight you [TS]

00:24:56   know you know for $2000 you can buy an iMac with a better display than than you [TS]

00:25:03   know a $20,000 Mac Pro set up twelve 12 core Mac Pros very impressive in such as [TS]

00:25:11   you were saying in some respects but it's interesting to me as somebody who [TS]

00:25:16   used to live almost obsessively off of off of two hours and then later the Mac [TS]

00:25:22   Pro early original sort of pre pre cylindrical Pro machine how much I don't [TS]

00:25:28   fit into that mindset and even you know I don't do nearly as much fun as editing [TS]

00:25:34   as I used to but still like the iMac really has become I think the desktop [TS]

00:25:38   machine for 80 85% of the population including the pros purchased it makes [TS]

00:25:45   more sense you don't need we don't need the money you think about where the iMac [TS]

00:25:49   debut trait and Apple had this great great then and now [TS]

00:25:53   website that they put up alongside the new iMacs or the like lets remember back [TS]

00:25:57   to 1997 and the original iMac and how much faster our new iMacs are forces [TS]

00:26:03   that the iMac when it came out was very hamstrung in very much a [TS]

00:26:07   consumer-friendly this is the introduced this is your introduction to the Mac [TS]

00:26:11   line device and as it's grown throughout the year is it really has you know it's [TS]

00:26:16   been able to beef up what it can do and how it can compete against the Mac Pro [TS]

00:26:21   and I mean right now is only the latest in a series of dynamic and smart [TS]

00:26:26   improvements that you're so you're not going to get the most course you're not [TS]

00:26:30   gonna get the most RAM and you're not going to be able to slot things in and [TS]

00:26:33   out because the screen is what an inch thick but it's it's the better computer [TS]

00:26:40   for the majority of people I mean that's that's apples goal right they don't want [TS]

00:26:44   you have to fiddle around with things I linked to that said the other day the [TS]

00:26:48   the then and now [TS]

00:26:50   comparison to the 98 I'm [TS]

00:26:52   and it is it's a cool comparison did you know wow how quickly we've you know I [TS]

00:26:58   say quickly but it bends seventeen years but its feels quick but it is [TS]

00:27:02   interesting to compare it in this in the context of this discussion of what do [TS]

00:27:07   you get if you're a pro and you want to drop as you know get the best you can in [TS]

00:27:12   1998 anybody with a Mac Pro i SAT with a prospective chief word G three towers [TS]

00:27:19   I'm actually three's a PowerMac 23 would look at the iMac and say well that's [TS]

00:27:26   cute but there wasn't one single thing about it that was better than you know [TS]

00:27:31   performance wiser decided this play why's that you could drive you know you [TS]

00:27:35   have fun with your little hockey puck mouse an all-in-one computer no use to [TS]

00:27:39   get the hockey puck with the PowerMac to yeah that's right that's right baby yeah [TS]

00:27:44   whatever anybody I knew with it with a PowerMac upgraded to a Kensington [TS]

00:27:48   oh yes my superior you know I i've brought this up many times before over [TS]

00:27:52   the years but my wife Amy she loved the hockey puck mouse that it is not [TS]

00:27:57   universally loathed there were people and my wife was one of them she used it [TS]

00:28:01   for years afterwards like on subsequent you know she kept she kept her iMac [TS]

00:28:05   mouse and moved it from computer to computer I I still have my foot I did [TS]

00:28:11   like it I didn't like it for certain tasks but it's cute in his own way it's [TS]

00:28:17   it's it's part of the joy of the iMac I don't know behaviors behaviors can go [TS]

00:28:22   somewhere else will hold that thought I'm going to do a sponsor it but we'll [TS]

00:28:25   go back and we'll talk about the new mouse it's a good segue but first let me [TS]

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00:28:51   razor blades are it's super expensive there's no reason for it [TS]

00:28:54   so ares is super serious about this they're not just like some kind of thing [TS]

00:28:58   with a by white label razor blades and put their own logo on it ever they [TS]

00:29:01   actually we're forcing them from an old really old razor factory in Germany and [TS]

00:29:07   they like the products and I said they bought the factory so these are high [TS]

00:29:11   quality high performing german-made razor blades that Harry's supervises [TS]

00:29:17   themselves the reason they can sell stuff for so much less is that it's it's [TS]

00:29:22   like the whole internet model it's just direct you go to Harry's website you [TS]

00:29:26   sign up and they ship it to you so there's no middlemen there are no [TS]

00:29:30   distributors there's no retail like every step of the way when you buy razor [TS]

00:29:34   blades like at a Walgreens or even at like Amazon or something like that it's [TS]

00:29:40   a little bit of markup each step of the way caused a distributor goes to the [TS]

00:29:44   retailer and everybody takes a look at how he's just sells these things [TS]

00:29:47   direct right from them right to you and the prices are amazing they have a [TS]

00:29:52   starter set 15 bucks gets you a razor your choice of moisturizing shave cream [TS]

00:29:59   or gel and three razor blades and when you need more blades they are two bucks [TS]

00:30:04   each or less than eight pack for just 15 bucks but if you want to buy in bulk [TS]

00:30:08   they get cheaper and cheaper 16 pack is 25 bucks if you go to Amazon Gillette [TS]

00:30:16   Fusion 12 pack of blades is 41 bucks so you like half the price of a Gillette [TS]

00:30:21   Fusion totally serious I use myself very very comfortable quality wise I've had [TS]

00:30:27   mine I don't know longtime listeners of the show know that Harry has been [TS]

00:30:31   sponsoring the show for at least two years maybe even longer and they sent me [TS]

00:30:35   one way back when they started I still have that razor handle and i'd i'd i'd [TS]

00:30:39   look at it now it looks brand new looks mint condition I could look like I could [TS]

00:30:43   just package it up in and so it is meant really high quality stuff so go check [TS]

00:30:47   them out at Harry's dot com and the the code the promo code is the talk show and [TS]

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00:30:58   purchase which means you can get that starter kit for just 10 bucks which is [TS]

00:31:02   amazing so [TS]

00:31:03   dot com in the code is the talk show so the other new stuff that Apple announced [TS]

00:31:10   this week with these iMacs are all new wireless peripherals new keyboard [TS]

00:31:17   accessories new keyboard a new Magic Trackpad a new Magic Mouse is called the [TS]

00:31:26   measure growth which is basically crashes everytime I think of the little [TS]

00:31:29   cartoon characters I i you know it's funny because I feel like we get used to [TS]

00:31:36   Apple's names and I remember like MacBook was so hard just seems it just [TS]

00:31:45   was really hard for me to get out and now you know it's it just just your [TS]

00:31:49   brain gets bludgeoned into accepting it over time [TS]

00:31:52   second nature you're like our and I've given up I I won't anymore sorry and I [TS]

00:31:57   understand the logic of it because the power and power book was from power PC [TS]

00:32:01   and it wasn't really branded by Apple whereas putting back in the name really [TS]

00:32:07   does help it it actually makes some kind of sense that all of the max would have [TS]

00:32:10   the word mac in right I understand that but MacBook was somehow a mouthful it [TS]

00:32:18   just doesn't seem like two words that fit quite as well together [TS]

00:32:22   powerbook did but to me them as mad as always embarrasses me everytime I type [TS]

00:32:32   yeah it feels so yes these are different than normal accessories how you ask they [TS]

00:32:38   have the magic trackpad trackpad I can kind of understand it because yes it [TS]

00:32:47   does especially with the new improvements to this version of the [TS]

00:32:50   track pad where it gets the the MacBooks tactic engine and faux clicking here no [TS]

00:32:56   longer to pressing a button you just you're using your using the magic of [TS]

00:33:00   course touch and the tactic engine to make it feel like you're looking like [TS]

00:33:04   that I would actually genuinely use it feels like magic because you're not [TS]

00:33:08   actually clicking on anything but the mouse is still just you and I guess that [TS]

00:33:15   their claim for the magic is that you get both the mouse that moves and you [TS]

00:33:19   get the you can do the gestures on the surface but to me it's like that it's [TS]

00:33:26   just that's just the way you you Apple have chosen to implement the scroll [TS]

00:33:31   wheels and you know might have done more than just move the cursor around for a [TS]

00:33:36   very long time and it's just an implementation detail whether you're [TS]

00:33:40   going to use a wheel or that they had little that little ball they had for a [TS]

00:33:45   while so truth be told I have not used an apple manufactured mouse on a regular [TS]

00:33:54   basis since the ADB era the last eight GB Apple mouse which was a one button [TS]

00:34:01   mouse I loved it [TS]

00:34:04   click a great click and had a great form factor it fit my hand the way that I'd [TS]

00:34:10   like to hold him out I know ATP has gone wrong on this awhile ago that depending [TS]

00:34:15   on it when you learn to use a mouse you grip it in a certain way whether you [TS]

00:34:18   rest your hand on it or something and I need like a big I don't know much bigger [TS]

00:34:27   house than the Magic Mouse to be need to fit your hands yeah you need to have a [TS]

00:34:31   good art because it's the it's the exact opposite problem of our essay on [TS]

00:34:36   keyboard where you don't necessarily want your wrist marked up with a mouse I [TS]

00:34:41   feel like you need you need the comfortable arc to rest your hand on it [TS]

00:34:45   if you're going to be resting your hand on him out for a while I'm going around [TS]

00:34:48   and clicking each to feel good and it needs to not feel like your hand is [TS]

00:34:51   dwarfing them out so that you can actually find the buns by touch so I [TS]

00:34:56   will confess the mouse that I used to know if I can get a picture of this I [TS]

00:35:00   guess I'll try to maybe food show the mouse that I use is at least it [TS]

00:35:07   absolutely positively I bought it in the nineties its from Logitech and even in [TS]

00:35:13   the nineties when I bought it I don't think I paid more than $14 for it and [TS]

00:35:19   it's so old it I swear to God and laser it has ball man and it is super super [TS]

00:35:28   precise I actually because of our size shoes I use a third-party mouse driver [TS]

00:35:33   too had to switch at one point guard steer mouse as ter mo USC's from some [TS]

00:35:42   kind of band that lets you set your mouse speed significantly faster than [TS]

00:35:48   the system mounted in a very fastest speed of the system out so I could go [TS]

00:35:54   even mi5 k iMac I can go corner to corner pretty much without even using my [TS]

00:35:59   wrist just my fingers and the ball on this thing is it's so super precise like [TS]

00:36:05   it's a guy so I giant 27 inch screen I have the speed ramped up so far [TS]

00:36:10   like my son can even use it he he thinks its crazy cuz he just immediately Rams [TS]

00:36:16   from corner to corner by moving because it's you know the differences so subtle [TS]

00:36:21   and this mass just has never broken the buttons don't work i mean at some point [TS]

00:36:25   I guess it's gonna break I mean everybody feels eventually but but I [TS]

00:36:30   haven't used in a pond that since when is it connected via USB USB [TS]

00:36:35   I was going to ask if you're connected via Skype see you know 20 like crazy but [TS]

00:36:40   I do I do still have my keyboard yeah you know I was talking to my dad the [TS]

00:36:47   other day [TS]

00:36:47   right after the new accessories came out and he's like rolling his eyes he's like [TS]

00:36:53   no nothing nothing can be better than my my Kensington track ball and you still [TS]

00:36:58   you and this that thing is probably from 1999 to because I remember using it [TS]

00:37:02   playing like Star Wars Episode one pod racer something crazy like that so it's [TS]

00:37:08   definitely I feel like people have very specific preferences with their mice but [TS]

00:37:14   I have to do is to get on eBay and start hunting around for ya but I have to get [TS]

00:37:20   a half to get new in box case I mean there is nothing grosser than using [TS]

00:37:26   somebody some mouse that somebody's actually years of fingerprints and [TS]

00:37:31   greasy you Tito fingers and God I'm I am i think im pretty good personal hygiene [TS]

00:37:39   I'm not I'm not a real germaphobe but like I do have some previously used [TS]

00:37:45   Apple extended keyboard Tues but when I whenever I get a new one I really do I [TS]

00:37:51   get all sorta like like CSI like crime scene like cleaning up a break out the [TS]

00:37:59   alcohol and cotton swipes and and I mean I i go you know I Q tips and I get in [TS]

00:38:04   there and I'll clean you know even if it looks like really like very lightly used [TS]

00:38:09   which are the best ones very likely I am going to get in there and scrub it who [TS]

00:38:14   the hell knows what people are doing these things I mean I don't I no longer [TS]

00:38:18   eat food while working or any of that and like my my keyboardist should be [TS]

00:38:23   pristine and i'm looking down at it as we're talking that's like some of the [TS]

00:38:27   number pad is absolutely disgusting I do not even my desk I gave that many years [TS]

00:38:33   ago and I still can't believe how disgustingly keyboard can get if I get [TS]

00:38:36   real close to yeah it's a little bit frightening to me well I know what I'm [TS]

00:38:40   doing after this podcasts and now it's just it does the heebie jeebies [TS]

00:38:45   just like my own key even my own keyboard grosses me out so it's hard for [TS]

00:38:53   me to really get excited about the new Magic Mouse cuz I know I'm not going to [TS]

00:38:56   use it because I know it's the same form factor is the old one [TS]

00:38:59   I know that the old form factor to me is extremely uncomfortable tease yeah I [TS]

00:39:04   don't like it at all my boyfriend has one that he will use on occasion but I [TS]

00:39:10   am I the only mouse that I have on my desk right now is a very poor man's [TS]

00:39:18   attempt to gaming mouse from a Cali from like 2004 that somehow is still working [TS]

00:39:23   with just a 2004 button mouse scroll wheel I used to use for World of [TS]

00:39:28   Warcraft of all things cause you know you have to do something in college but [TS]

00:39:31   I think I've been a trackpad user pretty much since since the original Magic [TS]

00:39:36   Trackpad came out I mean I was on a laptop for most of college and up until [TS]

00:39:41   I got hired at Macworld in 2010 and when they hired me they're like oh you get an [TS]

00:39:47   iMac do you wanna mouse or trackpad trackpad [TS]

00:39:50   that's alright that's all I've been using aside from the occasional gaming [TS]

00:39:53   and that's that's what I like I like white gestures and even the mouse with a [TS]

00:39:58   tiny little sweat just did not feel comfortable for me I feel like the [TS]

00:40:03   original Magic Mouse didn't even have a or or mission control support what he [TS]

00:40:08   could to finger swipe between Safari windows but it could do any of the [TS]

00:40:12   really cool things better track but it always has felt kinda hamstrung to me in [TS]

00:40:17   comparison to the trackpad like Apple was really only having it to throw a [TS]

00:40:21   bone to the users who still wanted a mouse to come with their machines their [TS]

00:40:25   desktop Mac but I'd especially with the new features of the generations Magic [TS]

00:40:31   Trackpad it just feels like the trackpad blows them out of the water [TS]

00:40:34   this this is what you should be using that iMac I agree with that i mean I'm [TS]

00:40:39   sure there are other people who are just so used him out that they sure that's [TS]

00:40:42   why Apple hasn't gone all trackpad and why the Magic Mouse still exists in his [TS]

00:40:47   tank but I do I it that is the other thing I do have it my desk I have a [TS]

00:40:51   magic trackpad [TS]

00:40:53   allowing I have the old way I don't have the new one I have the old one that [TS]

00:40:57   takes the double A batteries and I don't use it all the time but I have it there [TS]

00:41:01   because for certain tasks in certain apps its [TS]

00:41:04   I find it nicer to have that adding an image or something like [TS]

00:41:08   that it's nice to have it and be able to zoom in and for me I used mission [TS]

00:41:14   control so much because I got used to it on the on my tiny laptops that being [TS]

00:41:19   able to four finger swipe and get to the desktop and move around and all of that [TS]

00:41:22   is second nature to me and especially with El Capitan adding in things like [TS]

00:41:27   swype to Mark as Read and mail it just makes it more of a compelling feature [TS]

00:41:33   for me and now that forced touch is added I some soul rock and the jelly [TS]

00:41:39   roll the jelly roll Magic Trackpad with the AAA batteries but the idea of forced [TS]

00:41:45   touch being able to do different things in the apps right now it's very very [TS]

00:41:50   limited [TS]

00:41:52   third-party app developers really haven't taken advantage of it all [TS]

00:41:55   the track pads only been in the in the MacBook which only a small subset of the [TS]

00:42:00   population owns but now hit that traffic is now potentially on potentially [TS]

00:42:06   compatible with every single back in the lineup that runs every single back in [TS]

00:42:11   the lineup that has blue 24 and runs on 10 now has the power force touch and [TS]

00:42:16   seeing what it can do just in a couple of different out you know even just [TS]

00:42:20   QuickTime Player the debt the demo below of both in their retail stores and when [TS]

00:42:25   they were demoing the MacBook trackpad is the press press a little bit too fast [TS]

00:42:29   forward and then press really deeply and you can fast-forward up to three hundred [TS]

00:42:33   times and then you can lift your finger a little bit like a gas pedal you know [TS]

00:42:37   that's that's a cool proof of concept but I feel like especially pro level [TS]

00:42:41   applications design applications drawing applications photography is gonna be a [TS]

00:42:48   big deal [TS]

00:42:49   yeah I agree I i'm tempted by that I have you seen that there are people [TS]

00:42:56   complaining I know and Neil dash [TS]

00:42:58   we did you see yeah yeah oh my god ok so yeah go ahead [TS]

00:43:06   charging port charges bylaw all these new devices if you don't you're not [TS]

00:43:09   familiar [TS]

00:43:09   the one of the big changes in all three of these is no longer now to topple make [TS]

00:43:16   anything you put batteries in it maybe the remote now claiming the new remote [TS]

00:43:21   for Apple TV is like I think we have gotten away from AAA batteries which I [TS]

00:43:26   am thrilled by because I have so many useless slowly dying rechargeable [TS]

00:43:30   batteries I why did that a couple years ago I bought a whole bunch of [TS]

00:43:37   rechargeable batteries and it was good when Jonas was a real little kid and was [TS]

00:43:41   using all sorts of toys that took them it really really don't regret it but no [TS]

00:43:44   but they they they lose their efficacy [TS]

00:43:48   so it's so bad I have a serious I probably have 12 or 14 and it's gotten [TS]

00:43:53   to the point where I don't know which ones are almost are really properly [TS]

00:43:57   charged in which ones are still kind of knew right because once you've charged [TS]

00:44:00   them they're all good [TS]

00:44:01   exactly yeah there's a twist that they like like like turned around and color [TS]

00:44:05   like returned like eggshell yellow weird like that you might my trackpad I'm [TS]

00:44:12   lucky if my trackpad on my keyboard last day if I had been smart what I would [TS]

00:44:16   have done is maybe gotten in the habit of marking them as we mark like with [TS]

00:44:23   Sharpie every time I charge the battery do Italian market which once you've done [TS]

00:44:27   now you don't need to do it but now I've gotten off I've gotten back to just [TS]

00:44:32   using like ourselves you know and then I feel guilty about it though I really do [TS]

00:44:35   because I know that you know that it's sort of iraq yeah well and I don't know [TS]

00:44:41   it's Philly one of the places in Boston you can't throw them away [TS]

00:44:46   you have to dispose of them in especial place so if you use a non rechargeable [TS]

00:44:49   battery in my house it's very much like either it goes in a bucket were like [TS]

00:44:55   yeah we'll take this to the special recycling department someday and then it [TS]

00:44:59   just sits there in your house forever ever just gathering dust in Philly we [TS]

00:45:03   take them to sporting events and throw them at the buzzer that sounds like you [TS]

00:45:08   accept another little bit more more potential of explosion of you set them [TS]

00:45:15   on fire so the thing with that said that here's the thing that there's a minor [TS]

00:45:20   design controversy is that the new Magic Mouse has I think the exact same when [TS]

00:45:27   it's sitting on a desk it looks identical to the old one has the exact [TS]

00:45:31   same profile as different feet according to the design but I don't think they [TS]

00:45:36   look different I know that there there's interest even leaving at back channel on [TS]

00:45:42   medium had a great behind the scenes talk with the team that made these [TS]

00:45:47   things and they talked about how they somehow with the weight being different [TS]

00:45:51   from the new battery that they had to redesign the feet to make the click [TS]

00:45:56   sound right but anyway the complaint is that the lightning port is on the bottom [TS]

00:46:03   so if you want to charge this thing you have to turn it on its side or turn it [TS]

00:46:06   upside down in stimulating and therefore while it's charging you cannot use it as [TS]

00:46:12   a mouse and what everybody seems to or the complainer seem to think it's common [TS]

00:46:16   sense is that the lightning port should be at the front of the mouse so that you [TS]

00:46:22   can plug it in and use it like you would a wired mouse yeah except for the fact [TS]

00:46:27   that I i've seen [TS]

00:46:29   nails mock-up like you just have this little hole in the front of the mouse [TS]

00:46:34   it'll be fine except I can just I can just see five different people at [TS]

00:46:38   Applebees like that is the most tedious thing I've ever seen in my life and such [TS]

00:46:43   it just on top of that we should also mention the fact that this mouse does [TS]

00:46:49   not take extremely long time to charge two minutes supposedly gives you nine [TS]

00:46:55   hours a day to the idea for you get charges if you came to work and your [TS]

00:47:01   mouse was dead [TS]

00:47:02   you could charge it and you would have to wait to start using it but you could [TS]

00:47:05   just use that as like your minute to get your standing there watching [TS]

00:47:11   and by the time you've got your standpoint your Apple mouse your math [TS]

00:47:16   magic mouse to be charged for the day and it does give you the other thing too [TS]

00:47:22   is it gives you just you know a few if any of you who haven't used these [TS]

00:47:26   peripherals they do the system is in touch with them and when they get low [TS]

00:47:32   you do get a warning on screen and it's not like an emergency warning it's like [TS]

00:47:36   you know you're going to want to charge this thing yeah you know I'm actually [TS]

00:47:41   I'm kind of mad that the ports are on the back for the Magic Trackpad on the [TS]

00:47:45   measure is a magic keyboard is just a keyboard it's it's just called a [TS]

00:47:50   keyboard magic magic keyboard magic all the way down I think that might be a new [TS]

00:47:57   name though because it's the Magic Trackpad to in the Magic Mouse too but [TS]

00:48:01   that's just the magic word matching because it has the new not butterfly [TS]

00:48:06   mechanism but differences are mechanism previous keep cords yes I i I kind of [TS]

00:48:14   feel like I'm in tune of the with the standing notification idea where I don't [TS]

00:48:18   want all of the ports on the underside intend then adjust forces you to get up [TS]

00:48:23   off of your desk while you're charging accessories sorry your accessories [TS]

00:48:26   literally are going to stop working unless you get out of your seat it seems [TS]

00:48:32   it seems subversive Lee funny to me but i dont I honestly don't know what the [TS]

00:48:36   what the fuss is about [TS]

00:48:37   I think that Apple first and foremost wants to obviously designed functional [TS]

00:48:41   things but also designed accessories that are going to look nice and the [TS]

00:48:46   worst the worst thing I think in the world would be to give you a wireless [TS]

00:48:51   mouse and then be here we're going to make it so that you can absolutely use [TS]

00:48:56   it as a wired mouse because how many I don't wanna see stupid idiot how many [TS]

00:49:00   stupid idiots are just going to plug in their peripherals and then just keep [TS]

00:49:04   them plugged in the entire time I don't want to charge them they are you know [TS]

00:49:07   things always burn down I i think that if the existing profile of the Magic [TS]

00:49:15   Mouse had a flat front then they might have just put the port there [TS]

00:49:20   but it's the fact that they're clearly happy with the profile of the Magic [TS]

00:49:25   Trackpad where the front and back [TS]

00:49:27   you know it's it's exactly symmetric and it has there is no there's there is [TS]

00:49:32   nowhere for to go so anybody who's asking for them to put the port so that [TS]

00:49:38   you can use it while it's charging is asking for them to redesign the hamas [TS]

00:49:44   yeah I'm not saying that's a bad thing but it's it doesn't it just does not [TS]

00:49:50   seem like a problem and i also think on the other hand I think exactly what you [TS]

00:49:55   said I think it might even be deliberate mean it may actually be that they want [TS]

00:49:58   to discourage people from using it while charging yeah but I'm not quite sure [TS]

00:50:03   then why they didn't do the same with keyboard which is which is my no I [TS]

00:50:09   honestly think that you know if you're if you're talking about technology that [TS]

00:50:13   went into these peripherals again the mouse feels like the odd man out here [TS]

00:50:17   where the trackpad gets first touch and all of this new and the keyboard is [TS]

00:50:21   completely redesigned and should I better and the mouse's has lightning now [TS]

00:50:27   you know why I know that there was design work that went into the mouse [TS]

00:50:33   because this article and also I know that even if something looks identical [TS]

00:50:37   couple spent a lot of time on it regardless but I do think what you were [TS]

00:50:42   saying it's absolutely correct we're in order for them to put a lightning port [TS]

00:50:47   on the front and make it not look like a piece of crap they're gonna have to [TS]

00:50:51   redesign it and if they're going to redesign the mouse than they might as [TS]

00:50:55   well redesign it in such a way that they can also put forced touching it which I [TS]

00:50:59   think right now is probably too challenging given the curvature of the [TS]

00:51:02   mouse and the you know current initial limits of forced touch so I mean may [TS]

00:51:09   eventually happen but i just i think they ran up against time in and hardware [TS]

00:51:13   limitations to actually put that together and it's like well do you want [TS]

00:51:18   a mouse that has a port on the front of it for slightly easier charging or do [TS]

00:51:23   you want forced touch on your trackpad pick one you can only have one and and [TS]

00:51:29   getting the majority of people are going to say yeah we prefer force touch on the [TS]

00:51:33   truck [TS]

00:51:33   and why do we care about a charging port location [TS]

00:51:37   the other thing lasting about these three peripherals is the price is very [TS]

00:51:45   classic Apple the keyboard is 99 bucks but the track 79 before I think so the [TS]

00:51:52   trackpad is $129 and the mouse is much as the mouse [TS]

00:52:00   7979 mouse keyboard are the same price now the keyboards $99.99 the keyword [TS]

00:52:09   used to be 79 so the mouse moves up the keepers praised the keyboards hundred [TS]

00:52:13   bucks and the trackpad is a very very quintessential Apple number twenty [TS]

00:52:19   dollars so hot [TS]

00:52:22   yeah I mean I i understand the technology in the mouth in the trackpad [TS]

00:52:27   at least forced forced touch to me seems like the kind of thing where you might [TS]

00:52:32   need to charge a premium for it based on all of the mechanics that are under the [TS]

00:52:35   hood it's not just a mouse but it still $129 first level middle the AmazonBasics [TS]

00:52:42   three button USB wired masses 69 [TS]

00:52:49   AmazonBasics wireless mouse now it's expensive that $11 [TS]

00:52:56   if you want a mouse I seem to remember that in previous versions you could [TS]

00:53:01   choose between the mouse and the keyboard or the trackpad they wouldn't [TS]

00:53:04   you and now they are charging 50 bucks if you want to go from the mouse or [TS]

00:53:10   keyboard to try them out to the track [TS]

00:53:12   keepers know how ya that used to be like that used to be [TS]

00:53:17   choose your choose your poison and now they're actually discouraging people [TS]

00:53:21   from going to the trackpad which seems like such a seems like such the wrong [TS]

00:53:26   thing to do if you want to get more people using force touch and and more [TS]

00:53:29   people comfortable with a trackpad or egg hunt for you could get both the [TS]

00:53:36   Magic Mouse to end the Magic Trackpad to $429 she wanted multiple peripherals are [TS]

00:53:41   you can get a wired mouse yeah I think you're right I think you're right to the [TS]

00:53:45   fundamentally comes down to the fact that forced touch is the 3d touch [TS]

00:53:50   whatever we're calling it is the new you know hotness and it's you know it [TS]

00:53:56   probably is more expensive I'd I really doubt that it cost $129 yeah that much [TS]

00:54:02   more you know but multiply by Apple's standard margin and maybe you know maybe [TS]

00:54:06   it is the right price but it really does is one of those remaining things that [TS]

00:54:11   stands out from the Mac and the commodity market as I sit here and look [TS]

00:54:17   at this you know I just opened up an amazon.com Tappan just type mouse like [TS]

00:54:24   you get five years a Logitech 421 $22 yeah if you want an end and you know [TS]

00:54:30   what the high-quality mice the funny thing is like Greek as a high-quality [TS]

00:54:34   silence wireless gaming mouse [TS]

00:54:36   on his on his desk that I'm pretty sure he paid me be $70 for yeah I'm sure you [TS]

00:54:43   can but it's you know but even that that's less than the price of them [TS]

00:54:48   Apple Magic Mouse to write a mean here's one it looks like something from Ironman [TS]

00:54:53   ICC team 4000 dpi 10 button led optical USB wired professional gaming mouse what [TS]

00:55:01   is a good email Steve dots per inch [TS]

00:55:02   well it's it's it's the dutch Prince is the center the laser [TS]

00:55:08   it actually is pretty important oh yeah I never I've never heard that term [TS]

00:55:13   because I am a very casual but still make sense I'm not a game I'm playing a [TS]

00:55:18   game on my Mac and over ten years maybe longer but I'm very sensitive to that [TS]

00:55:22   because that's why use my old mouse with the ball because it has a really high D [TS]

00:55:26   Jack the speed up with him outside III that one of the weird things I know [TS]

00:55:32   about the gaming world but anyway all these mice $7 but Apple can do it that's [TS]

00:55:40   the thing is that the MEB is the peripherals [TS]

00:55:44   renee has been going to the store pretty much every day to try and get the mayor [TS]

00:55:48   their limited supply every day and every day sold out so that the people are [TS]

00:55:53   buying these horrendously expensive peripherals yeah well I don't even know [TS]

00:55:59   if it's it is expensive yes no way around it I don't know that it's too [TS]

00:56:03   expensive that I'm not complaining about it it's the price you pay it forward you [TS]

00:56:08   know Apple's cutting edge stuff 4944 no batteries for lithium-ion batteries in [TS]

00:56:14   the keyboard and trackpad I would pay you know $229 for that set yeah I'm if I [TS]

00:56:21   was buying it to upgrade to make her Mac yet I would do that in a heartbeat [TS]

00:56:24   because anything that requires me never to use batteries again is Bertha church [TS]

00:56:29   and church I do hate that they're referring it to for such as for such an [TS]

00:56:36   American 3 touch on the phone that is driving me crazy [TS]

00:56:39   well I think I've asked about it and it's one of those questions that they [TS]

00:56:43   have a prepared answer for that doesn't really answer it [TS]

00:56:46   yeah but they're ready for it but I think translating it from their non [TS]

00:56:51   answer to a real answer is [TS]

00:56:53   is I think it's twofold I think one they were calling it forced touch everywhere [TS]

00:56:58   and then they decided that I think they kind of body or at least recognized the [TS]

00:57:03   arguments of people have that it it sounds like it could be a little creepy [TS]

00:57:06   something that there's other you know there's other ways to interpret those [TS]

00:57:11   words that absolutely positive connotation and I think secondarily [TS]

00:57:18   they've talked themselves into the not just renaming it 3d touch everywhere [TS]

00:57:22   because I think forced touch is sort of binary where it's either a regular touch [TS]

00:57:30   or a force touch and that's it in 3d touch has I just read and yeah well and [TS]

00:57:37   has it measures degree of touch yes so like just the one way that Apple exposes [TS]

00:57:43   it currently and I was nine is with the peak and pop where there's two levels of [TS]

00:57:48   touch and I just read an article I guess I should try to find it a show notes I [TS]

00:57:53   read an article where somebody was playing with the API's and and [TS]

00:57:56   effectively a developer could could probably get six levels of touch if you [TS]

00:58:00   wanted to like and where you where you might want to use it maybe in a game you [TS]

00:58:05   know some kind of game of six levels you know maybe for acceleration driving the [TS]

00:58:10   racing game maybe in some kind of musical app where you're playing the [TS]

00:58:14   force touches is trying to get out of it drums or something you can pretty much [TS]

00:58:18   go like 126 and thats 3d touched like it had you know and forced touch though is [TS]

00:58:25   neither just it is a force touch or two regular touch and that's it yeah but [TS]

00:58:29   that's what it is on the watch and that's what interests me about the [TS]

00:58:31   desktop is that the force touch trackpad on a MacBook is not impressive you're [TS]

00:58:36   not like it does have it does have degrees of sensitivity in layers in it [TS]

00:58:40   but they're still kind of playing with that idea yeah I don't know that the [TS]

00:58:44   API's are there maybe I'm wrong I don't know I think they should just got caught [TS]

00:58:48   3d touchable yeah I like 3d touch I think 32 touches appropriate the [TS]

00:58:51   interesting thing it's funny that developers can only access six levels of [TS]

00:58:55   of pressure in sort of apps [TS]

00:58:58   Peter Skinner from 10 1 did it of course [TS]

00:59:01   initial tests for the pressure sensitivity and drawing ups and he was [TS]

00:59:05   able to detect over 400 400 potential levels of pressure sensitivity when it [TS]

00:59:10   came to drawing alone so there's a lot there's actually a lot of functionality [TS]

00:59:13   built into that little screen that maybe it isn't quite exposed to developers for [TS]

00:59:18   regular apps because maybe it just doesn't make sense to have that kind of [TS]

00:59:21   finite pressure I mean it that so many levels of pressure that the average [TS]

00:59:26   human is not understand that they've shut through 50 to get from step one to [TS]

00:59:32   step 2 but from a drawing perspective that's actually really exciting one of [TS]

00:59:36   the things I kinda wanna play with once we get the the new house called the [TS]

00:59:42   first touch trackpad once we get the new Magic Trackpad I'm really curious to see [TS]

00:59:47   how you know if if precious instead of drawing is going to be able to get [TS]

00:59:52   something that that the Magic Trackpad can do they're going to just limited to [TS]

00:59:56   the iPhone for this this time around [TS]

00:59:58   yea well what do you think you would do the drawing what i mean you could do [TS]

01:00:02   with a fantasy the thing the interesting thing for me at least on a on a Mac you [TS]

01:00:08   could use a stylus argued that that glass is now so big that it got it [TS]

01:00:12   almost reminds me of like a Wacom Bamboo Bamboo tablet really early 512 levels of [TS]

01:00:19   pressure sensitivity tablet but would be cool for me is using it in something [TS]

01:00:24   like Pixelmator or Lightroom where you use it to shade or two like to do color [TS]

01:00:30   correction in various levels were you don't need the specific pinpoint [TS]

01:00:34   pinpoint accuracy you if you were just drawing very tiny lines but if you're [TS]

01:00:39   you know color correcting or if you're removing splotches or anything like that [TS]

01:00:44   being able to have levels of pressure at Lake this is how this is how much I want [TS]

01:00:49   you know this is how much color I want to take away the desaturation [TS]

01:00:53   the pressure is more important than that but then the pics of precision exactly [TS]

01:00:56   exactly at least in these early days [TS]

01:00:58   Eastern certain tasks like that exactly and even the pixel precision is not too [TS]

01:01:04   bad when you have resumed at your disposal and I can very easily see you [TS]

01:01:08   pinch and then you use one finger to sketch but I've been doing on the on the [TS]

01:01:13   phone and it's working really well [TS]

01:01:14   why let's take a break and I will thank our second sponsor and it's our good [TS]

01:01:19   friends at automatic they just spell it the regular way auto matic and what is [TS]

01:01:24   it [TS]

01:01:25   it is really cool it is a connected car adapter I call it a dingus it plugs into [TS]

01:01:32   your car's diagnostic port every car made I think since 1997 but somewhere [TS]

01:01:38   around there has one of these two standard port goes across manufacturers [TS]

01:01:42   your car has one you just find out where it where it is on your card somewhere in [TS]

01:01:47   the dashboard you put this little thing gets into it and it's exactly the same [TS]

01:01:53   port that like the mechanic uses when you take your car in the shop and I Q [TS]

01:01:57   your car's dashboard says you need like service a one you could just use [TS]

01:02:01   automatic and it tells you exactly what that means is I have an appt here's how [TS]

01:02:07   you you you you plug thing in the card and you have to worry about it anymore [TS]

01:02:10   and after that you just use the app and communicates with Bluetooth between you [TS]

01:02:14   and your car and it tells you everything that goes through there so any kind of [TS]

01:02:19   like engine light warning or something like that automatically explain in plain [TS]

01:02:23   English what the heck is going on you know whether you just need an oil change [TS]

01:02:26   whether you're due for some kind of bigger service whether something is [TS]

01:02:30   failing gives you a log of your trips it keeps track of your parking location so [TS]

01:02:36   if you if you have it you know if you don't have a good garage or something [TS]

01:02:40   and I you know forget your car is automatic knows where your cars every [TS]

01:02:44   single time you park it even can call emergency services in the case of an [TS]

01:02:49   accident its course you on your driving if you wanted to show you can set goals [TS]

01:02:54   for fuel efficiency and stuff like that and we'll give you hints and tell you [TS]

01:02:58   when you're you know when you're going over your limits and stuff like that the [TS]

01:03:03   new thing they have this year and it was already called just doing all that the [TS]

01:03:07   new they may have this year's they have an app store for automatic and they have [TS]

01:03:12   over 20 apps available and that lets you use your car's data in all kinds of ways [TS]

01:03:16   so for example they've got integration with nest so you can let your thermostat [TS]

01:03:22   know when you're getting close to home you can say when I'm five miles away [TS]

01:03:26   from home [TS]

01:03:27   do this with the temperature in your house or 10 miles whatever you want it [TS]

01:03:31   to be you have to do it you set it up and then it just works like that it's [TS]

01:03:34   amazing that really seems like the future and they've got immigration with [TS]

01:03:39   I F TTT that if then then that if this then that really great web service would [TS]

01:03:46   you should check out on your own anyway for hooking up all sorts of nerdy stuff [TS]

01:03:49   but then you can make your own recipes and do all sorts of custom stuff based [TS]

01:03:53   on this really really long story short if you have a card you really want this [TS]

01:03:58   it's amazing [TS]

01:03:59   this sort of thing should be built into every car but it's not but it's pretty [TS]

01:04:03   awesome that works with everybody's car it's a hundred bucks normally which is a [TS]

01:04:08   great deal and there's no service for you don't pay like 10 bucks a month or [TS]

01:04:11   whatever you just give them two hundred bucks you get the dangerous and then you [TS]

01:04:14   own it but even better than that you can save 20% off thats 20 bucks get it for [TS]

01:04:20   $80 and it ships in 2 business days and they have a 45 day return policy that's [TS]

01:04:26   how confident are they gonna like it so buy it for 80 bucks with this code [TS]

01:04:30   automatic dot com slash the talk show and get yourself this automatic thing is [TS]

01:04:35   if you haven't gotten one already really cool anything else on the the perforce [TS]

01:04:42   no I think I was thinking it seems a little silly cuz it's only October and [TS]

01:04:50   I'm not like a big year in review sort of person I usually don't do anything [TS]

01:04:54   like that but I think we're at the point now where we kinda know everything done [TS]

01:04:59   for 2015 I mean we're still waiting coming you know the iPad Pro is [TS]

01:05:04   obviously a huge thing that's coming it probably the right it's the biggest [TS]

01:05:09   literally biggest iOS devices stopping 27 inch iMac but it it's probably the [TS]

01:05:17   biggest hardware announcement of the year and we know we don't have it in our [TS]

01:05:20   hands it but we know it's coming I think you know I think the Apple has shown on [TS]

01:05:26   their cards and it actually is to me you know it's as much as like for the year [TS]

01:05:32   or two prior there were a lot of complaints that alcohol was sort of [TS]

01:05:36   silence for debating wasn't innovating you know Phil Schiller is can innovate [TS]

01:05:40   anymore my ass thing at WWC it's obviously frustrating to them I don't [TS]

01:05:45   see it's one of those things where I feel like they you can complain about it [TS]

01:05:49   when they're quiet for a long time but then when they have a busy year nobody [TS]

01:05:52   really says while they've really done a lot this year but they've done a lot [TS]

01:05:56   this year and ocular amount when you really think about all of i mean they [TS]

01:06:01   launched an entirely new product the Apple watch right you know we got new [TS]

01:06:07   iPhones we got new dev kits get a new to new versions of of iOS and OS 10 which [TS]

01:06:15   people I think overlooked just how just how much work goes into creating solid [TS]

01:06:22   software and they really did I feel like make solid software this time around it [TS]

01:06:25   on both iOS and OS 10 it doesn't feel nearly as as bulky to me right off the [TS]

01:06:31   line we got new iPhones Apple TV I forgot about me that's looming end of [TS]

01:06:37   October Early November I also I want to emphasize that as we record this I do [TS]

01:06:42   not have an Apple TV I worry that somebody's gonna go out you know rupert [TS]

01:06:46   says you know he's only waiting on an iPad programs have an Apple TV now I do [TS]

01:06:50   love it that's coming and the other two really big things to me are the photos [TS]

01:06:59   the new photo integrated photos that launched a nightclub photos and Apple [TS]

01:07:04   music right answers these two things [TS]

01:07:07   that you know music and your photos and videos that in 2015 Apple has introduced [TS]

01:07:15   entirely new and and you know not necessarily in both cases in either case [TS]

01:07:19   seamlessly [TS]

01:07:21   but it they've certainly laid the foundation for the future of how people [TS]

01:07:26   in the Apple customers in the Apple ecosystem are going to manage your [TS]

01:07:29   photos and music [TS]

01:07:31   absolutely and you know i i did a lot of work on both of those topics right now [TS]

01:07:35   as they were coming out and as as the year has progressed they you know Apple [TS]

01:07:42   has been very very good about listening to customer feedback and implementing [TS]

01:07:46   implementing changes or fixes or bug you know bug fixes to make the experience [TS]

01:07:54   better you know I think about the initial I club for the library and the [TS]

01:07:58   new Photos app I couldn't turn around on the internet virtually turn around [TS]

01:08:02   without seeing someone being like how dare you this sucks I'm moving to [TS]

01:08:06   Lightroom everything is terrible and now they're I feel it quite a few people are [TS]

01:08:12   using photos are using Google's photo service for the using you know they've [TS]

01:08:15   found their photo service or they're willing to give those a try and there's [TS]

01:08:19   there's no big calamity Apple hasn't lost someone's entire photo library [TS]

01:08:24   there's no there's been no insanity there was a little insanity over apple [TS]

01:08:28   music photos first feel like it was the smooth launch and I'm really impressed [TS]

01:08:36   by it I really AM I it works really really well for me there was one one [TS]

01:08:46   time early on with a photo on my iPhone I had so many photos I've got in there [TS]

01:08:54   just put a scale we can compare [TS]

01:08:58   of God 16,900 56 photos and 237 videos you might have Ebdon videos but I'm [TS]

01:09:09   pretty sure I have you been on photos I don't have a lot of videos because I [TS]

01:09:12   used to store them separately I do have videos in here nevermind [TS]

01:09:16   I'm guessing most of that was recently shot but twenty 6896 photos 855 videos [TS]

01:09:23   and three items I don't actually know what items are I i had had had a [TS]

01:09:30   situation early in this summer [TS]

01:09:33   know maybe at like at the point where I upgraded to iOS 9 beta on my iPhone and [TS]

01:09:39   it was a beta so don't complain about it publicly but I had a situation where [TS]

01:09:44   their account wasn't the same across all my devices it was slightly off and I [TS]

01:09:50   figured it out that it came down to a photo taken on my iPhone about two weeks [TS]

01:09:56   prior and which I had edited and I forget if I only edited I did it on the [TS]

01:10:02   phone and I forget if I used the Photos app on the phone to adjust the color [TS]

01:10:05   something or if I used like after later one of those third party apps that lets [TS]

01:10:10   you modify images on your photo role in place without making a copy but it was [TS]

01:10:15   added and for whatever reason it was not able to sync that photo to my class so I [TS]

01:10:24   emailed it to myself so I have a copy of the edited version then I deleted it and [TS]

01:10:30   then everything got caught up in an aide to the email photo and put it back in [TS]

01:10:34   the photos so one time and it was with a beta so I'm not complaining and ever [TS]

01:10:38   since then it has been great [TS]

01:10:41   yeah well I and i think you know comparing us a little bit about the beta [TS]

01:10:47   process was really important for this being able to have the months where [TS]

01:10:52   their lake yes this is beta we definitely want people to come play in [TS]

01:10:56   the beta so please if you're interested but this is a beta service and please be [TS]

01:11:02   advised this is a beta service and please back up your photos and once [TS]

01:11:07   people I think realized [TS]

01:11:09   forcible knew that going in and also were able to figure out oh this is the [TS]

01:11:15   difference between storing all of your photos on your device and optimizing [TS]

01:11:19   storage and this is what this app gets me that aperture Lightroom does not have [TS]

01:11:25   more time to kind of figure all that out I I too had had one [TS]

01:11:28   really bad photos experience and that was mostly I had at this at the time [TS]

01:11:35   that photo was released initially sort of announced I was really excited about [TS]

01:11:40   this cuz my photo library had been spreading across four different [TS]

01:11:43   computers and I thought at one point I had it all localized on the 15 inch iMac [TS]

01:11:49   but as time went on it kind of more and more [TS]

01:11:51   got over too much or 15 inch MacBook Pro as time went on it became more on on my [TS]

01:11:56   old 21.5 inch iMac and a little bit on my on my my macbook air and I i was just [TS]

01:12:03   saving like giant folders of iPhone images every time I get full I just [TS]

01:12:08   dumped everything the image capture into a folder and shove it into Dropbox it [TS]

01:12:13   was like there was something canonical version of my photos somewhere and when [TS]

01:12:19   I went to merge everything into photos 1 my MacBook Air library wouldn't sink and [TS]

01:12:24   eventually I just had to creating knew I had to create a new library and pulled [TS]

01:12:29   down all of the photos from the cloud and then upload everything it was try it [TS]

01:12:34   just got into a terrible loop where it was trying to download and upload at the [TS]

01:12:38   same time and they just you know essentially them [TS]

01:12:40   virtual pipe was clogged so nothing could get anywhere and just uploading [TS]

01:12:44   forever but again once I like that was a very simple troubleshoot I talked to [TS]

01:12:49   Apple almost immediately got that fixed and once I got that fixed no problems [TS]

01:12:54   everything is great yeah the other thing that really works well and it sounds [TS]

01:12:58   simple and I know there's other services that do this I'm not saying Apple is [TS]

01:13:01   invented anything I'm just saying that at scale for all of the people who use [TS]

01:13:05   iCloud photos it seems to be working well is the way that like you can say [TS]

01:13:11   whether or not you want all of your photos on this device or not or you just [TS]

01:13:15   want the thumbnails and pulled them down over the cloud as needed to save space [TS]

01:13:19   yeah and having gone through the [TS]

01:13:22   again I'm not complaining it's great it's great that I get access to the [TS]

01:13:27   iPhones and stuff before him but I set up an awful lot of iOS devices every [TS]

01:13:31   year because I knew I found in a nearby my own iPhone [TS]

01:13:34   having set up my own iPhones for personal use a lot and over the last [TS]

01:13:41   month or two it worked really really great where it's obviously they're not [TS]

01:13:45   you know sixteen or seventeen thousand photos even the thumbnails are not there [TS]

01:13:49   you know a minute or two after you unlock you know unwrap the phone but you [TS]

01:13:54   know within a very reasonable amount of time they are and it's it's to me really [TS]

01:13:59   impressive and it's always a problem that we've had for a long time [TS]

01:14:02   yeah well that's just the not having to worry about what device they take photos [TS]

01:14:09   on is huge and not like it's just an everyday to obviously most people don't [TS]

01:14:15   necessarily have a job where they're taking tons of product photos on maybe [TS]

01:14:19   you and then uploading them to one machine and maybe me access to them on [TS]

01:14:23   another machine at a later point in time but that kind of workflow I feel like is [TS]

01:14:27   universal for different documents and Apple seems to have really done a great [TS]

01:14:32   thing with photos where I can again now for screenshot or snap snap a photo of [TS]

01:14:37   like an apple watchdog in three seconds later it shows up on my Mac where I need [TS]

01:14:42   to upload it to our CMS for your website and that it just it makes it easier I [TS]

01:14:49   don't have to worry about where my photos are as I know like okay they're [TS]

01:14:53   all the cloud and I have a backup if physical backup on one of my computers [TS]

01:14:57   and then I have a double back up on in Dropbox like tax it's just it feels [TS]

01:15:03   really nice the one the one nickel that I have with optimized storage is that I [TS]

01:15:09   do wish that your favorite album was automatically stored on device like I [TS]

01:15:13   wish there was an album that you could just be like this album needs to be [TS]

01:15:17   sourced locally because the annoying thing of like typing something that you [TS]

01:15:22   want to share with somebody and then seeing the doubt the slow download icon [TS]

01:15:26   and realizing currently i cud photos is limited to wifi to download a photo so [TS]

01:15:32   if you want to get an old photo from 1986 or something that you have stored [TS]

01:15:36   chances are if you haven't looked at it frequently it's not it's stored up in [TS]

01:15:40   the library it's not stored on device if you have optimized on and if you're not [TS]

01:15:44   on wifi [TS]

01:15:45   can't download that and so all you can see is this really blurry picture even [TS]

01:15:49   if you're just looking at you want to just browse photos while you're stuck on [TS]

01:15:51   an airplane or something that that's a little frustrating but it's not you know [TS]

01:15:57   it's not a deal breaker it's not necessarily something room Apple how [TS]

01:16:00   could you but it would be nice to have to have a space of these photos were [TS]

01:16:05   always down my device these pictures of my pets it's either the default it's the [TS]

01:16:11   only way you get photos under Apple watch to at least the fault is that you [TS]

01:16:16   favorite them and then the favorites are on the watch yeah I don't know if you [TS]

01:16:20   can also is there a way that you can manually specify different album you can [TS]

01:16:25   specify a different album on the watch but it is albums only and favorites is [TS]

01:16:28   the first option so out of the boxes with us what happens [TS]

01:16:33   yeah I'm looking at it right now yes in town favorites but anyway long story [TS]

01:16:39   short I think it's really been a good year for photos and I am really [TS]

01:16:45   intrigued to see where they go [TS]

01:16:47   going forward because it's one of those things where I feel like it's the same [TS]

01:16:51   thing as I trying to get everything across the board to go read where you [TS]

01:16:54   need all of these things in place first and some of the stuff you just have to [TS]

01:16:57   wait for it and I feel like being able to say doesn't matter you know if you [TS]

01:17:01   have a stand-alone you know camera and you can hook it up to your Mac and you [TS]

01:17:07   import them into photos a week or two later you forget what you took the [TS]

01:17:12   photos of you just know you took a photo of you know your relatives birthday [TS]

01:17:16   party and the fact that it's just there on your phone [TS]

01:17:19   even if you didn't take the photos with your phone is great I'm really [TS]

01:17:23   interested see though if if what they do like for next year with photos is start [TS]

01:17:29   beefing up especially the Mac version to be more of a prosumer photo editing tool [TS]

01:17:36   I'm hoping so I hope so too and my concern though is that because [TS]

01:17:41   everything is everywhere and that their non-destructive that the Mac what the [TS]

01:17:46   Mac version of photos can do isn't limited by what the Macan do but it's [TS]

01:17:49   limited by what iOS can [TS]

01:17:52   do well I mean there's always there's already some disparity there because the [TS]

01:17:58   iPhone has of course non-destructive third-party audits and Mac did not get [TS]

01:18:03   that option for up extensions until this fall and even then there are those are [TS]

01:18:08   limited to device so if you if you added something on your iPhone say with like [TS]

01:18:14   the Pixelmator expense extension for iPhone and then you imported are you [TS]

01:18:18   open it up in the Mac you can't open it with the Pixelmator extension for Mac [TS]

01:18:23   you either have to you can revert it so you can take off all of the edits or you [TS]

01:18:28   can add a top of it but you can once you change those sliders if you opened up [TS]

01:18:33   the Mac and start to apply new new more edits you you lose the previous ability [TS]

01:18:39   but if you do but if you just look at it you do see the edits [TS]

01:18:44   yes you do so I guess that's one way to do it where the Mac could gain a lot of [TS]

01:18:50   built-in serious stuff and then when you open it up on the iPhone you see them [TS]

01:18:54   but then if you try to edit it would warn you that you either need to make a [TS]

01:18:58   copy of it or something [TS]

01:19:00   yeah exactly I can live with that that sort of I think the best we can hope for [TS]

01:19:05   yeah I mean I wouldn't necessarily rule out pro version of photos but I do think [TS]

01:19:12   there's enough there are enough things to make improvements to in the initial [TS]

01:19:17   appt I think the initial opposite very solid 10 release but they're still there [TS]

01:19:21   definitely they're definitely tools that a that would be great for a prosumer out [TS]

01:19:26   or a you know a consumer leading to like during the slow stepping stones they've [TS]

01:19:31   already done a great job even with the editing menu of making potentially you [TS]

01:19:35   know severe and [TS]

01:19:37   an expansive color correction available to somebody who doesn't really know much [TS]

01:19:43   were you just start with this lighter from light to dark and then you can drop [TS]

01:19:47   it down and it becomes more expensive and more in depth and then you can add [TS]

01:19:51   extensions if you really want to play around and OH I messed this up a reset [TS]

01:19:55   button away huge your photos and my Apple music [TS]

01:20:02   the next day this is the part hot apple music to me still it confuses me you [TS]

01:20:07   know this is really the main reason I want to do under shows I want you to [TS]

01:20:10   explain Apple ok what it was like to know about music how am I supposed to [TS]

01:20:18   use it [TS]

01:20:18   ok so do you do you want to use Apple's catalogue of like to access Apple's [TS]

01:20:28   catalogue of artists I guess what I needed to hear that I think I need to do [TS]

01:20:32   I think for safety's sake I have backups but I think I need to make a copy of [TS]

01:20:38   music yes i think thats what is which is largely ripped but I have had the match [TS]

01:20:44   service for all you know ever since it came out and make a copy and then I have [TS]

01:20:52   all my rep stuff that I've had for fifteen years now and then just go [TS]

01:20:58   without music yet so what I would suggest if you're starting from scratch [TS]

01:21:02   and you want to go into Apple music you make a copy of your library for that new [TS]

01:21:08   copy of your library if you want to start just absolutely clean what you can [TS]

01:21:13   do is create that new library and then I think there's a checkbox that allows you [TS]

01:21:17   to add songs but keep the linked locations absolute so which is to say [TS]

01:21:24   like if you have all of your songs packaged in your original iTunes music [TS]

01:21:29   library when you add them to the second library it doesn't create a second copy [TS]

01:21:33   of those songs it's just it it has a provisional [TS]

01:21:39   symbiotic from the original library two years later an alias basically similar [TS]

01:21:45   to to the way again to compare two photos similar to the way that it when [TS]

01:21:49   you [TS]

01:21:50   imported your iPhoto library to the new photos it didn't make copies of [TS]

01:21:53   everything [TS]

01:21:54   symlinks to have what looks like two copies of it but both are pointing to [TS]

01:22:00   the same stream a bite on desk exactly so you can you can vote do this and then [TS]

01:22:05   once you have that second library you turn up the music on for that library [TS]

01:22:09   and your Apple IDs tied to your Apple idea that I think one of the most [TS]

01:22:12   important things that people can't overlook side to europe lady you turn on [TS]

01:22:16   Apple music and the big difference between having just Apple music as your [TS]

01:22:24   Apple music service of choice or having iTunes Match or having both of them [TS]

01:22:29   together is that Apple music alone gives you access to Apple's App Catalog so you [TS]

01:22:34   can stream any of their songs or artists it lets you play songs that you your [TS]

01:22:39   cell phone as well as the Apple music catalog on any of your devices to 10 but [TS]

01:22:47   when do you or if you cancel that service that streaming on extra devices [TS]

01:22:53   thing goes away and all of those songs that you've streamed or downloaded to [TS]

01:22:58   another device gets deleted whether or not you own them extra auxiliary devices [TS]

01:23:04   and all of your Apple music catalog goes away so you're left with just the [TS]

01:23:09   original songs you had on your original computer the difference between that and [TS]

01:23:14   Apple me and iTunes Match is that of course in iTunes Match when you you're [TS]

01:23:20   able to stream or download your songs that you own to any other computer that [TS]

01:23:25   has your appointee but when you download those songs onto an axillary computer [TS]

01:23:30   those songs stay there forever [TS]

01:23:32   whether or not you cancel iTunes Match are not there they are forever on your [TS]

01:23:37   computer unless you delete them their their their DRM free so if you just use [TS]

01:23:43   Apple music and cancel iTunes Match then you are your collection the songs you [TS]

01:23:49   own that you stream or download other computers will show up as Apple music [TS]

01:23:54   tagged if they can match that catalog and if you can't slap on music those [TS]

01:24:00   songs on those auxiliary computers will disappear [TS]

01:24:03   so if you want them to retain whether or not you choose to keep our music then [TS]

01:24:08   that's when you keep the two subscriptions running concurrently so [TS]

01:24:11   you have Apple music and iTunes Match [TS]

01:24:15   since you have both do you still have both I still have both in part because [TS]

01:24:18   I'm testing a million things but no i i have pulled because I have a canonical [TS]

01:24:26   music library on my iMac but I still I will download some things to other two [TS]

01:24:31   other computers and I don't want my you know my local music library on an [TS]

01:24:36   axillary to vanish if I decide to camp canceled music because then I would have [TS]

01:24:41   to go and you know we import everything onto an auxiliary computer right have to [TS]

01:24:45   reenable iTunes Match and that seems like a book work and then like $25 to [TS]

01:24:52   never have to worry about that work again I can I can pay 25 bucks here yet [TS]

01:24:56   twenty-plus years i'd underneath my eye I give a shit threshold that $14.99 a [TS]

01:25:03   month for a family plan about the music is I want to make sure we're actually [TS]

01:25:07   listening to see exactly it's like this is actually this is a bill this adds up [TS]

01:25:12   to a significant amount of money per month I like despite all of the insanity [TS]

01:25:17   with Apple music and I really do think that the difference between the hike the [TS]

01:25:20   photos around the photos rollout and the music rollout is that music didn't have [TS]

01:25:27   a beta period of people and if they had had a beta period with enough with a [TS]

01:25:33   couple you know a couple hundred like even five ten thousand subscribers would [TS]

01:25:37   be enough to hash out most of the terrible bugs they saw like the fact [TS]

01:25:42   that Apple music or Apple music and iTunes Match users were seeing their [TS]

01:25:47   songs matched a sample music that was a bug that was fixed within the first 48 [TS]

01:25:52   hours but despite it being fixed in the first 48 hours people went crazy over [TS]

01:25:56   for about a month and a half [TS]

01:25:58   yeah that's it really keen observer [TS]

01:26:01   really think it that that you know that I photo or photos had a beta and they [TS]

01:26:07   worked out these kinks and music was like all of you go sign up for this free [TS]

01:26:12   service now for three months and they worked out the kinks like on the fly and [TS]

01:26:16   it really did leave a sour taste in people's mouths and honestly because it [TS]

01:26:20   was free they really could have just said three free free or free at three [TS]

01:26:25   month trial and this is our beta period this summer is our beta launch off [TS]

01:26:29   period for Apple music that's what I mean looking at beach when I listen to [TS]

01:26:33   beats 10 law in the early days in part because I was writing about it but it [TS]

01:26:36   just cuz it was it was such a curiosity to me as someone who hasn't listened to [TS]

01:26:40   terrestrial radio in about 12 years it was such a curiosity and such an [TS]

01:26:43   interesting highbrow can you make this work but but it's one was very much in [TS]

01:26:49   their initial two months and even though I mean that interview with them low that [TS]

01:26:54   he gave recently at the BBC is basically like we're figuring this stuff out by [TS]

01:26:59   the seat of our pants this is very much a better for us and we won't know [TS]

01:27:02   exactly what beats one is or how it fits into the over organ theme of Apple music [TS]

01:27:08   for about a year but we need this time to build it we we built the station in [TS]

01:27:12   12 weeks we'd we need this beta period and so they like that side was very very [TS]

01:27:18   honest and straightforward even on the air being like we're just trying this [TS]

01:27:22   out let us know what you like let us know what you don't we can you know we [TS]

01:27:26   want to work with you we want to be your station and the rest of Apple music was [TS]

01:27:30   very like this is how it is this music enjoyable music how do you think it's [TS]

01:27:36   going now that for everybody who signed up right away that three-month Beta Beta [TS]

01:27:42   bit trial yes we need your mind the trial the three-month trial is over and [TS]

01:27:48   people got the notices like hey you gonna get charged unless you cancel how [TS]

01:27:53   do you think they're doing now it's very hard to say cuz they don't think they've [TS]

01:27:56   announced anything now and I don't think they will for a little bit I do think [TS]

01:28:00   that probably fifty-plus percent canceled but I don't actually think [TS]

01:28:04   that's a bad thing I think that they do need to do a little bit of retooling and [TS]

01:28:09   the pretty sure kind of realized that they need to do a bit of retooling in [TS]

01:28:12   terms of what's really valuable [TS]

01:28:14   their streaming catalog is fantastic you know as someone who is still an apple [TS]

01:28:18   music member of the streaming catalog is fantastic [TS]

01:28:21   before you suggestions are very very good especially if you continue to [TS]

01:28:26   listen and like these things are like in tryin and tryin refine your tastes [TS]

01:28:32   their creation engine is really pretty good and beats one is really funny [TS]

01:28:37   despite not being addressed through radio person like I I will tune into [TS]

01:28:41   that because it feels it almost feels like being in an office as a [TS]

01:28:44   work-at-home person worth like older people occasionally talking and they're [TS]

01:28:48   talking about interesting music related things is not like the Daily local news [TS]

01:28:52   in your area and it's not something so depressing at npr to get you to get your [TS]

01:28:58   stomach in knots it's just kind of like fun interesting content and good and the [TS]

01:29:02   music you might not have otherwise heard so I think there are quite a few people [TS]

01:29:06   who are still kinda hanging on and and have gotten addicted to certain aspects [TS]

01:29:10   of the service but for TV wide audience Apple needs to put a little bit more [TS]

01:29:16   work into it too freely to really make it one shot and one of the biggest [TS]

01:29:20   things they can do is revamp iTunes on a Mac because right now it's still a mess [TS]

01:29:28   is the polite word I can't say much much more horrible things but I will decline [TS]

01:29:35   but you know the music app the new music app in iOS nine people are still [TS]

01:29:41   complaining that messy but its lately it's less messy it slowly like they're a [TS]

01:29:45   rating on this would be like ok this is what works this is what does don't it [TS]

01:29:49   doesn't turns out we don't need in a more but that's gonna last [TS]

01:29:53   1515 links worth of war but we can we can work around missus iTunes still [TS]

01:29:59   feels [TS]

01:29:59   feels [TS]

01:30:00   J context and bloated and uncomfortable and it's just awkward and weird ways I [TS]

01:30:05   think I told you the story over the weekend when you were here in Philly for [TS]

01:30:07   the local yeah we hang a little bit but long story short my wife had a playlist [TS]

01:30:15   a new playlist you made on a Mac and she just wanted to send it to a phone and go [TS]

01:30:19   to the gym and the way the new iTunes works it's like you like this where dot [TS]

01:30:26   dot dot button yeah the playlist and then you go to the dot dot and then it [TS]

01:30:32   just says send to device and then there's her iPhone and she'd click it [TS]

01:30:35   and it which seems like that's what should do in if you google you know [TS]

01:30:40   search for how you're supposed to do this it says that's how it's supposed to [TS]

01:30:42   do and it never just it just never showed up on a live on and long story [TS]

01:30:46   short I think that solution was to turn off Apple music on oliver devices and [TS]

01:30:52   just do it the old-fashioned way and connected to USB and then the dot dot [TS]

01:30:57   dot center that's found work yet because you're actually sending it over to the [TS]

01:31:01   rejection it's such a mess it's such a mess but if you have a music turned on [TS]

01:31:04   at a given having a tethered connection doesn't make it work that's even worse [TS]

01:31:08   sometimes like some of some of my playlist show up to my playlist it still [TS]

01:31:12   at the state like Apple this is that that's the kind of stuff that could have [TS]

01:31:15   been really valuable during a three-month beta test of like me up [TS]

01:31:19   there some playlists problems let's actually find out I find it really [TS]

01:31:23   interesting I don't know if you saw this week apple launched an apple music [TS]

01:31:28   helped Twitter account [TS]

01:31:30   office hours know you have to appt at Apple music help for a people's Apple [TS]

01:31:37   music questions they have office hours from I think 826 either GMT re-used yet [TS]

01:31:43   to actually work but but I saw that and I i quite literally laughed out loud [TS]

01:31:49   because that's you know that's what I've been doing for the last three months on [TS]

01:31:54   and off is being people's like Apple music guru on Twitter and now I can be [TS]

01:31:58   like to talk to them they've actually built this thing like I either I will [TS]

01:32:02   happily help you still like try and stumble through your problem with you [TS]

01:32:06   maybe the people who have access to the engineer's can fix your more high-level [TS]

01:32:11   problems like the fact [TS]

01:32:12   that pressing the like button to find your tastes but also there's no way to [TS]

01:32:16   save a song you like as a favorite without adding it to your library and [TS]

01:32:20   then it goes into the massive like the bottomless pit of library it's really [TS]

01:32:26   awesome the top in tweet in fact answers my question is create a playlist with [TS]

01:32:33   your favorite songs in music there you go [TS]

01:32:36   obviously I've hit frequently asked question anyway but isn't that that is [TS]

01:32:43   sort of a fun you know again not to release potentially gets new years [TS]

01:32:49   already but and get all sanguine about and talk about 2015 in the past tense [TS]

01:32:54   but among other things that are happening here there's you know it has [TS]

01:32:58   been a sort of quote-unquote new Apple you know things happen does that they [TS]

01:33:06   would have done before I think having a Twitter account with office hours is [TS]

01:33:11   file that under things Apple wouldn't have done before the new giving even [TS]

01:33:17   steven levy access to the design team and actually having like people's not [TS]

01:33:22   only people's names associated to what they were doing but people's faces and [TS]

01:33:26   inside it was just one of those things where I'm like I would never seen this [TS]

01:33:30   story five or six years ago and I'm really glad to see the story and hear [TS]

01:33:33   more about the inner workings of Apple I'm really glad that Apple is reaching [TS]

01:33:37   out for help and support beyond just the you know the distended disclaimer go go [TS]

01:33:43   see Apple Care I'm glad the developers are getting more of a voice on Twitter [TS]

01:33:46   without worrying that PR is good for rapid PR is gonna come and eat them [TS]

01:33:51   alive and then they'll never be seen or heard from again it's a really [TS]

01:33:56   interesting sea-change and thank you [TS]

01:33:58   well I one of the things a lot like I would like to see it and I've been on [TS]

01:34:02   this for you haven't talked about it frequently but years ago I know five or [TS]

01:34:06   six years ago [TS]

01:34:07   I did as a talk at Macworld back when Macworld San Francisco still think it [TS]

01:34:13   was like my top 10 things to be you know things to look at you know for the [TS]

01:34:17   future things to worry about Apple [TS]

01:34:19   top 10 list and one of them was that I wanted apple to go back to having but [TS]

01:34:27   letting letting the people who make the software but their credit in the about [TS]

01:34:32   box yeah like the whole reason about boxes were there the detained in Mac [TS]

01:34:37   apps is originally it was so that the people who made the things could could [TS]

01:34:43   get credit for them and it went away when Steve Jobs came back in 1997 98 and [TS]

01:34:52   now the eval boxes are almost useless and its standard across all of their [TS]

01:34:55   software it just has the icon the name of the app the version number and a [TS]

01:35:00   copyright and that it's almost like why do it you know why it's going to really [TS]

01:35:04   get out of his version number and the idea that the jobs gave back in 98 was [TS]

01:35:09   that Apple is in bad shape and their talent they did it do one thing the [TS]

01:35:12   company had come he was in bad shape but had lots and lots of talent and he was [TS]

01:35:15   really almost pleasantly surprised by the amount of talent the engineering and [TS]

01:35:20   in the fact that johnnie I've and his team were already there [TS]

01:35:24   stolen well yeah it was like an anti poaching but it's that is such the way [TS]

01:35:30   the world works today nobody needs to nobody who's a recruiter trying to poach [TS]

01:35:34   Apple employees needs the about box to figure out who wrote this app you know [TS]

01:35:39   you know and and there is obviously a mean if you you know I don't use [TS]

01:35:43   LinkedIn but I mean thousands and thousands and thousands of employees are [TS]

01:35:48   on LinkedIn I mean there's all sorts of you know and and be sure that the best [TS]

01:35:52   recruiters don't even need to do that [TS]

01:35:54   know it right like the difference between the current world today in a [TS]

01:36:00   world where Apple employees got to put their credits in the about boxes for the [TS]

01:36:05   App Center in the system the difference in the amount of talent that get poached [TS]

01:36:10   is I think effectively zero that's not a good reason to do it and I think that [TS]

01:36:16   being able to sign your work to me it's it's just an important [TS]

01:36:19   part of you know it's just like a point of pride in its also nice I mean you [TS]

01:36:30   know Apple boys I know Apple employees and former Apple employees and when [TS]

01:36:34   you're working on something that secret all you can really say is I work in this [TS]

01:36:38   team and and you don't want them to say anything more because you don't want [TS]

01:36:41   them to get in trouble after as a feature ships you know they can save it [TS]

01:36:45   can I worked on that that was that thing in the keynote that was partially my you [TS]

01:36:50   know something that I did and I i I like that I like [TS]

01:36:55   again what you said I like the idea that our friends and and Apple you know [TS]

01:36:59   people who work at Apple consign their work and people can be proud about their [TS]

01:37:03   work because they spend so long and under such levels of secrecy to get it [TS]

01:37:08   right and get it perfect and and just make a great product whether that's [TS]

01:37:12   hardware software and when it comes out like I love with Tim Cook has been doing [TS]

01:37:17   the last couple events were stand up if you worked on this like let's [TS]

01:37:20   acknowledge these people and not have them hide in the shadows jobs did that [TS]

01:37:25   too sometimes I don't know I just feel like letting letting you know making the [TS]

01:37:29   about box is relevant again as just you know the credits credits for the [TS]

01:37:33   software and I feel like that kind of fits with the way that Stephen levy's [TS]

01:37:38   behind the scenes of the new peripherals got to go talk to people who actually [TS]

01:37:42   designed them and work done them in and stuff like that [TS]

01:37:45   yeah it's very cool let me take another break here and thank our next friendly [TS]

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01:38:00   mail route I don't know I say mail route [TS]

01:38:02   here's what they do they are email nerds who do nothing but email that's what [TS]

01:38:11   they want to do is they want to handle your email [TS]

01:38:14   they've created the first cloud-based email filtering solution years ago when [TS]

01:38:21   they sold it to Microsoft then the same team went back and they created a really [TS]

01:38:28   clear product just as one thing it is an innovative and effective spam and virus [TS]

01:38:35   filtering mail filter here's how it works you have your own email server [TS]

01:38:41   your domain name and you get your email you keep running your own email server [TS]

01:38:45   but what you do is you take your DNS records and you point them once for [TS]

01:38:51   email at Melrose and then mail route you point them at your regular mail service [TS]

01:38:57   so mail route isn't actually hosting your email it just goes through mail [TS]

01:39:00   route first then on to the email server you already have worked with any mail [TS]

01:39:06   server doesn't matter all mail route does is filter out all of the crap spam [TS]

01:39:12   the virus stuff and Mac users only after wave of the virus stuff that's pam is [TS]

01:39:16   enormous problem and mail route spam filtering is I would argue second to [TS]

01:39:22   none [TS]

01:39:23   it is really really amazing if if spam filtering for example is the only reason [TS]

01:39:29   that you use Gmail instead of posting your own email you should really take a [TS]

01:39:33   look at me out because it is super effective I mean like almost nothing [TS]

01:39:37   gets through and they have really cool stuff very configurable so that you can [TS]

01:39:42   get for example you get like a daily report just emailed to you at the end of [TS]

01:39:46   the day with here are the ones that mail route was like maybe about you know 99% [TS]

01:39:53   spam they can just nuke and there are two percent certain that if there's [TS]

01:39:57   anything that they are like I think this is spam [TS]

01:40:00   but maybe not they you can get it report every day and then you see it and say [TS]

01:40:04   wow that wasn't spam [TS]

01:40:05   you know click it you go there and market as not spam and it goes to your [TS]

01:40:09   email and then they'll remember that keeps going [TS]

01:40:12   really really easy to set up the hardest part is probably just you know figure [TS]

01:40:17   out you know going to wear your domain is registered in the DNS records pointed [TS]

01:40:21   the right way but they have all sorts of stuff to help you get that going it's [TS]

01:40:26   easy to set up its reliable and its trusted by really really there's large [TS]

01:40:30   corporations large universities entire universities with tens of thousands of [TS]

01:40:34   students and all the mail all the stuff goes through mail route first because [TS]

01:40:37   they're so good at what they do really is an amazing way it's it's just [TS]

01:40:43   returned email to like the old days when there was no such thing as spam [TS]

01:40:46   they support all sorts of nerdy stuff too if if you're like assisted been in [TS]

01:40:51   these things mean anything to you [TS]

01:40:52   they've got LDAP they've got Active Directory they support TLS they support [TS]

01:40:56   mailbag bagging outbound relay everything you would want from the [TS]

01:41:02   people handling your email it's so great it's so simple really great price it's [TS]

01:41:07   just it it just takes all the junk out of reach and then you don't have to [TS]

01:41:11   worry about spam anymore where do you go to find out more [TS]

01:41:14   very easy but a mail route dot net dot net because you know they're like a [TS]

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01:41:40   come to my thanks to mail out the check them out if you lose your own email [TS]

01:41:44   server [TS]

01:41:46   what else you wanna talk about it that this paper haha that's a good one if [TS]

01:41:55   you're talking about the same thing I'm thinking about what they're talking [TS]

01:41:58   about yesterday [TS]

01:42:00   federico pointed this out surprised this yes so so Facebook is a lot of an [TS]

01:42:08   iPhone's battery and it's traditionally a lot of the iPhone's battery which is [TS]

01:42:12   why I'm worried recommend turning off background processes but and I S nine we [TS]

01:42:18   were able to see not only is eating a lot of your battery and you can see you [TS]

01:42:23   in terms of the the battery screen and percentages you can now tell what [TS]

01:42:27   specific processes Facebook is using it turns out even if you have background [TS]

01:42:32   processing turned off facebook can still eat your battery with background audio [TS]

01:42:37   and what Federico II she's theorized and based on some very clever thing on his [TS]

01:42:45   part is that Facebook is likely playing silent audio to keep the app running an [TS]

01:42:52   active in the background and I don't know what that is helpful for them on [TS]

01:42:56   the outside too but it's insane to me what it it's feel so dirty it's it feels [TS]

01:43:03   downright malicious yeah and honestly the thing that occurs to me is it [TS]

01:43:09   doesn't really matter what they're doing if if it's like to check out this week [TS]

01:43:14   and this is a tweet from sorry I actually checked checked with this guy [TS]

01:43:17   don't know his real name is his Twitter account is just his first name Chad but [TS]

01:43:22   he tweeted a screenshot he added me and Jim Dalrymple and and this is his his [TS]

01:43:29   usage this is his usage from get an iPad right and iPad Mini his battery usage on [TS]

01:43:41   iOS nine was 75% of his entire battery was consumed by Facebook and it was only [TS]

01:43:48   two minutes on screen this is so that if you haven't looked at this with you go [TS]

01:43:53   to the usage and I was not [TS]

01:43:55   Apple's really gotten this to a very fine grained breakdown and that the [TS]

01:44:01   number one thing to remember is in most apps that thing that kills the battery [TS]

01:44:06   the most is making the display and so like knowing how much of your time zone [TS]

01:44:11   now that they tell you how much of the time was on screen and how much was in [TS]

01:44:14   the background it can really tell you like hey maybe it's actually ok that [TS]

01:44:20   Tweetbot used 38 percent of my battery because while I was on it for three [TS]

01:44:25   hours and you know and so for example if you sit there and read a book in my book [TS]

01:44:34   for a long time it makes sense that is going to use a lot of battery even [TS]

01:44:37   though that is obviously not a a CPU intensive application because it [TS]

01:44:41   powering screen this guy sent me this screenshot Facebook two minutes on [TS]

01:44:45   screen [TS]

01:44:46   15.9 hours in the background used up 75% of his iPad battery and he has the [TS]

01:44:53   Facebook can set not to be able to use background that is insane and it [TS]

01:45:00   actually to me I honestly think it's it's shows who holds the who holds the [TS]

01:45:10   power in the Facebook Apple really a cave if you think of Apple is this [TS]

01:45:13   mighty corporation and and they think of the App Store is this powerful tool that [TS]

01:45:18   they wield with their own discretion I actually think that this makes Apple [TS]

01:45:24   look bad in week at a most likely because Facebook is so essential to what [TS]

01:45:28   people use their iPhones for it you know by almost every account that single most [TS]

01:45:32   use third-party app on iPhone that I almost wonder whether up on those that [TS]

01:45:39   they're doing this and feels like they can't do it what are they gonna do the [TS]

01:45:43   Facebook app to the App Store unfortunately it harms them I'm looking [TS]

01:45:47   at my my battery for the last seven days on this crazy 58 minutes on screen for [TS]

01:45:51   Facebook 3.2 hours of background there's no reason and you have background [TS]

01:45:56   updating turned off my turn I haven't turned off her facebook so it's you know [TS]

01:46:00   this is mind boggling to me and I don't know if I still have a Facebook account [TS]

01:46:05   so I have nothing [TS]

01:46:07   encountered the first and it does not inspire me to change after all these [TS]

01:46:12   years to change my mind and maybe sign up for Facebook and I hit the survey has [TS]

01:46:17   like I I was off facebook around 2010 I was done with it and I only went back [TS]

01:46:22   because the people that I play roller derby with that is the roller derby [TS]

01:46:26   community is on Facebook it's not a Twitter based place so I only use [TS]

01:46:32   Facebook for for Derby and even so end up murdering my battery and I totally [TS]

01:46:37   understand that I know how much of stuff like that I was just at I don't we can [TS]

01:46:41   talk about it a bit but I was at a screening of the Steve Jobs movie last [TS]

01:46:45   night over at University of Pennsylvania and it was like a press screening but it [TS]

01:46:49   was really more like physics students can get it was mostly just college get [TS]

01:46:52   and they have like it was put together by like their their film club or [TS]

01:46:57   something like that and the pre-announcement like a welcome glad [TS]

01:47:01   everybody could be here it was like how do you get involved if you're a student [TS]

01:47:04   want to get involved at the club it was Facebook yes because you know I'm sure [TS]

01:47:08   that there are ten ten thousand other examples of groups where if you want to [TS]

01:47:13   get involved in stay in touch via Facebook so I understand that and not [TS]

01:47:17   everybody can be an anti social hermit like this is criminal [TS]

01:47:21   this is absolutely insane that they're they're working around you know people [TS]

01:47:28   who are so specifically saying I do not want you to update in the background and [TS]

01:47:32   they're doing it anyway by cheating I mean if it doesn't matter whether the [TS]

01:47:37   only way they're doing it is federico theory that they're playing silent audio [TS]

01:47:41   which lets them stay running in the background as a separate you know things [TS]

01:47:46   from the background updating option which clearly is not in the user's [TS]

01:47:51   interest right now nobody wants that they've said we want you to shut up in [TS]

01:47:56   the background just stopped and the other thing that struck me about this is [TS]

01:48:00   this because of the insane popularity of Facebook and how many people use it [TS]

01:48:06   and clearly how detrimental it is your battery this has to be [TS]

01:48:12   I don't even think it's a maybe this has to be a main reason for the the the the [TS]

01:48:16   stress about the iPhone's battery life force quitting abstain owe that to ya I [TS]

01:48:22   was surprised that this whole entrenched I would it would you call the way that [TS]

01:48:28   so many people believe it's a it's a tenant of like using a smartphone where [TS]

01:48:32   I have to force quit my apps because it'll make things run faster and the [TS]

01:48:35   battery last longer [TS]

01:48:37   right on ATP the other week Casey list he was at a football game and the guy in [TS]

01:48:42   front of him every time you take his phone out he'd unlock it [TS]

01:48:45   do whatever he was gonna do and then double click the home button and force [TS]

01:48:49   quit whatever happy to see you and then turn the phone off and put it back in [TS]

01:48:52   the pocket every single time he said it was i driving him nuts but can you and [TS]

01:48:57   my thought was this review to an Apple needs to stop this because it's not [TS]

01:49:00   helping anybody whereas it must be helping people because it that way you [TS]

01:49:05   can actually nuke the Facebook app and it wouldn't be playing the silent audio [TS]

01:49:08   anymore and you actually would see better battery yeah I mean I used so I [TS]

01:49:13   used to use the force quit apps technique [TS]

01:49:16   way back when when I would go over the border between USA and Canada so that I [TS]

01:49:20   wouldn't accidental use data usage because that you know that like that is [TS]

01:49:24   the way to ensure that someone's not leaching in the background so you'd cut [TS]

01:49:28   everything on that but yeah I mean it seems like that's the only way to ensure [TS]

01:49:33   that Facebook's not leaching leaching data and battery life Dida like you [TS]

01:49:39   think about how much how much data I don't care if they are you selling your [TS]

01:49:43   still streaming something you were still requiring a call and I'll be really [TS]

01:49:47   interesting to compare this with also the numbers of those the cellular data [TS]

01:49:50   but I I but I do think you're absolutely right and that it it emphasizes ended it [TS]

01:49:57   validates the force quit theory where oh well of course this is how I have to use [TS]

01:50:02   my iPhone and I also I think that it might actually be skewing iPhone battery [TS]

01:50:08   numbers enough p.m. Facebook but I wouldn't be surprised if that's cutting [TS]

01:50:12   half an hour an hour off of your battery every day and if you're going from you [TS]

01:50:16   know you think you're getting a phone with a 14 hour battery and you end up [TS]

01:50:19   getting [TS]

01:50:20   you know closer to 11 or 12 that's i mean that that it's a bigger problem [TS]

01:50:26   than I think we've made it out to be before this yeah I really was not aware [TS]

01:50:31   of it but it's it really seems like I don't use that word lightly but it seems [TS]

01:50:35   scandalous it really does and I think it's clearly dark matter to most people [TS]

01:50:41   like they're not going to figure this out like just going to Settings General [TS]

01:50:45   Settings settings Battery to find the usage now write write write write [TS]

01:50:52   something about it but people you know how many people go there I I think it's [TS]

01:50:56   a lot you stumble across it occasionally like oh that's fun [TS]

01:50:59   the only the only app that has more on the only after has more than Facebook [TS]

01:51:06   green on Facebook has four hundred and twenty something megabytes [TS]

01:51:10   got got new music at four hundred and thirty and Tweetbot at 551 megabytes but [TS]

01:51:16   I used those apps probably fifteen times as much as facebook on my phone that's [TS]

01:51:23   crazy yeah it's crazy anyway I think that it's not that last we heard us I [TS]

01:51:35   think that this story as lakes and politics but it's discreetly this guy [TS]

01:51:42   with the two minutes home screen 15 hours at the background is crazy and the [TS]

01:51:47   usage the fact that you know it's not it's not just 75 percent but only all [TS]

01:51:51   he's only use it to ours he has the time since last fall charge there and that's [TS]

01:51:55   the really like and if you get you have to tap if you're just looking at if you [TS]

01:52:01   look at the end I if you tap it and you get this little there's a little blue [TS]

01:52:06   clock thing that shows you the the how long on screen and how long in the [TS]

01:52:12   background breakdown doesn't show that but for me it's Tweet button and Safari [TS]

01:52:18   3 but the last 24 hours of the maps because I've been using my phone a lot [TS]

01:52:23   but we bought Safari maps music and in male was the only one to me that has the [TS]

01:52:29   big difference between on screen and back [TS]

01:52:32   because i dont yeah but that makes sense because I have mail said to to download [TS]

01:52:36   meal in the background [TS]

01:52:37   exactly like mel has a good reason to download stuff in the background and I [TS]

01:52:41   know how to turn it off and if I told it not to have I said you know what would I [TS]

01:52:45   do it again which I do when I go to a foreign country and a man like a hundred [TS]

01:52:48   megabytes SIM card and I'll have my email set don't don't load email until I [TS]

01:52:53   hope I asked for it yeah and then it does it does that it's it this is again [TS]

01:53:02   it's so easy for someone like me who who's never used Facebook has always [TS]

01:53:05   been sort of skeptical of the company to sit here and complain about it but my [TS]

01:53:10   point is really does seem scandalous I mean it seems it's almost outrages we I [TS]

01:53:16   mean look at those look at the battery and I'm like maps you can have [TS]

01:53:19   background activity that makes sense [TS]

01:53:21   mail you can have background activity music you can have background activity [TS]

01:53:25   podcast yes all these make sense [TS]

01:53:28   Facebook having background I don't know what Facebook would do with background [TS]

01:53:31   activity like actively be useful for me maybe load more of my time line so I can [TS]

01:53:35   read when I don't have a data connection but I don't care it would be curious to [TS]

01:53:40   see what they are doing and why they're doing it but yes I don't know it's [TS]

01:53:45   really really interesting yeah I don't think we've heard the last of it but [TS]

01:53:49   that you know get get get get seriously change on this Steve Jobs movie D one [TS]

01:54:01   yet let me just 11 last sponsored a tank and then I will tell you about that but [TS]

01:54:06   I thought the Steve Jobs movie we should also talk about Elon Musk which is a [TS]

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01:56:54   doing now so before a time when the Movie lets talk about you on mosque [TS]

01:57:00   there is a thing last last week where he was interviewed with a German newspaper [TS]

01:57:07   and they asked him about Apple hiring that rumors and reports that Apple is [TS]

01:57:14   hiring Tesla engineers and here's what he said Elon Musk said they've hired [TS]

01:57:19   people we've fired we always jokingly call Apple the Tesla graveyard if you [TS]

01:57:25   don't make it a test let you go work at Apple I'm not kidding you under my skin [TS]

01:57:33   is he speaks his mind that is what I will say I mean he's very very job CNN [TS]

01:57:39   very much like other folks we know in this in this area I don't think he [TS]

01:57:44   necessarily meant at the way that it came out I think he was probably making [TS]

01:57:48   a comment about Apple's car efforts and not about Apple's engineering talent but [TS]

01:57:53   it's still pretty pretty bad it is it is you know it's jobs even in my opinion [TS]

01:58:02   jobs in thing to say which is whether it's true or not that anatomy is [TS]

01:58:07   interesting that's the interesting thing because it could be that they've done [TS]

01:58:11   internally they've looked at this and and they've decided that a lot of the [TS]

01:58:16   people that you know engineering talent out was hired away from Tesla we're not [TS]

01:58:21   the eight players that Apple is getting to be players in the eight players are [TS]

01:58:24   sticking a test that could be true and he's willing to just come out and say it [TS]

01:58:29   or it could not be true it could have no relevant know it could be that Apple [TS]

01:58:33   hired great people from Tesla but he's just saying it anyway because he's [TS]

01:58:37   because of their own right and it either way [TS]

01:58:41   it works I like it I i think that it's funny and I think that it's very [TS]

01:58:48   confident and the thing that people have compared it to and I jumped in my mind [TS]

01:58:52   immediately right away too well the next thing he said was that it was the court [TS]

01:58:59   building cars the next logical thing for them to do but then he said did you ever [TS]

01:59:04   take a look at the Apple watch no seriously it's good that Apple is moving [TS]

01:59:08   in investing in this direction but cars are very complex compared to phones or [TS]

01:59:12   smartphones and I think he said I don't have it here in this article you see the [TS]

01:59:18   weird thing is that the German original ones I behind a paywall and then he said [TS]

01:59:22   something to the effect of that you can't just go you you can just go to [TS]

01:59:25   China and tell Foxconn to build your watch but you can't just go to Foxconn [TS]

01:59:29   is a build me a car and a comparison the death brings to mind is then palm CEO at [TS]

01:59:37   Colligan back in December of 2006 which is like a month before Apple unveiled [TS]

01:59:42   the iPhone nobody knew it was gonna look like but rumors are rampant that Apple [TS]

01:59:46   is gonna do a phone and he said something to the effect of we've we've [TS]

01:59:51   been working on this for a long time PC guys aren't going to just jump in and [TS]

01:59:55   figure it out yeah and the PC guys at apple just jumped did just jump in and [TS]

02:00:01   figure out the difference that I see between AD Colligan then and Elon Musk [TS]

02:00:10   now is that parm in 2006 was totally stagnant they were not making things [TS]

02:00:16   that were amazing you were not future focus at all right they were you know [TS]

02:00:21   they seem like they were behind here's here's the here's the quote from him in [TS]

02:00:26   2006 I looked it up we've learned in struggled for a few years here figuring [TS]

02:00:31   out how to make a decent phone PC guys are not going to just figure this out [TS]

02:00:34   they're not going to just walk in [TS]

02:00:37   so that you are must quote does seem to has echoes of that but the palm products [TS]

02:00:42   of 2006 they were terrible they were behind the times they just were not [TS]

02:00:46   exciting whereas Tesla is doing great work they literally made the motor Trend [TS]

02:00:50   Car of the Year [TS]

02:00:52   phenomenal work and there you know I the Model X is not for me but even just [TS]

02:00:56   listening to the stuff that they were talking about the Model X like that that [TS]

02:00:59   is a phenomenal car is a really cool car right so I actually I love it I love [TS]

02:01:05   that he's embracing this flat out he's brash and I think it is great for both [TS]

02:01:11   companies like I wrote years years ago had a piece that Apple you know Apple [TS]

02:01:16   needs an icon that Canon you know makes better cameras because they have an arch [TS]

02:01:20   rival for decades in Nikon Coolpix cameras that are as good or better you [TS]

02:01:26   know class that's as good or better in some ways you know that the competition [TS]

02:01:30   keeps both companies better that comparison is maybe not that good [TS]

02:01:36   anymore because both Canon and Nikon are sort of getting disrupted by these [TS]

02:01:41   mirrorless cameras like the ones from Sony but don't don't take the analogy [TS]

02:01:46   too far but anyway I just think it would be great it would be so great it's if [TS]

02:01:51   Tesla keeps gravel yeah if Tesla keeps kicking ass in between now and even the [TS]

02:01:57   optimistic you know twenty twenty 20 1920 19 is supposedly the goals that's [TS]

02:02:03   let's if the watch shipped here lately guessed that the car will ship at least [TS]

02:02:08   a year too late it's probably are probably looking at 2020 2021 yeah [TS]

02:02:12   nothing could be better for Apple then for Tesla to keep kicking ass and be you [TS]

02:02:20   know have a great five-year run from now until then just to keep the state of the [TS]

02:02:25   art going forward [TS]

02:02:26   yeah I I honestly hope they do I feeling you must be going to is one of these [TS]

02:02:31   people that doesn't come around every every spring right this is he has a [TS]

02:02:36   unique snowflake in a in a number of ways and to have him physically [TS]

02:02:41   breathing down Apple's neck not even in a mean way just kinda even if he just [TS]

02:02:45   continues to make jobs and jokes and his engineers continue to make fantastic [TS]

02:02:50   stuff that I mean that's going to spur Apple to work that much harder you know [TS]

02:02:53   innovation my ass is it is a great lake grumpy grumpy this you know we hate the [TS]

02:02:58   fact that everybody's been complaining about us on innovating would clearly [TS]

02:03:04   we're innovating but that kind of stuff I really think that does drive them a [TS]

02:03:08   little bit I I was very proud of the work they do and the products that they [TS]

02:03:13   make and to have somebody even even in jest saying yeah to figure out of the [TS]

02:03:20   project Titan team is like a ho ya Elon Musk ok we'll show you know it's it's [TS]

02:03:25   good competition is good and especially intelligent competition not like we're [TS]

02:03:30   going to copy your features and then you're gonna copy ours and then vice [TS]

02:03:33   versa [TS]

02:03:34   that's right it's so different coming from the the the founder of companies [TS]

02:03:41   now well but the most just talk the talk rocket ships but just talking cars it's [TS]

02:03:49   awesome that to hear sort of straight up you know comp competitive talk from the [TS]

02:03:57   leader of the most innovative I I don't see how anybody could deny you know [TS]

02:04:03   they're still very expensive but in terms of how innovative the cars are I [TS]

02:04:10   don't see how anybody could deny that test was the most innovative company [TS]

02:04:13   even just the way that they sell the cars without having dealers selling [TS]

02:04:17   direct innovative you know to have him take a poll on is just great the only [TS]

02:04:22   thing I don't like is it the next day he kind of walked back a little bit but [TS]

02:04:26   despite winners so his comments you know instantly they're all over the place out [TS]

02:04:31   I'd probably everybody listening to this shows us something about but then the [TS]

02:04:35   next day he tweeted [TS]

02:04:37   I just got back here that the other quote he told this German newspaper was [TS]

02:04:41   no seriously it's good that Apple is moving [TS]

02:04:43   investing in this direction but cars her very complex compared the phones are [TS]

02:04:47   smart watches and again that so steve jobs in in my area because he's not [TS]

02:04:53   gonna make phones are smart watches and so it's such a neat rhetorical trick to [TS]

02:04:58   just sort of say 2222 an Apple as a company that makes these things that are [TS]

02:05:04   easy answers tomorrow at all it's not true [TS]

02:05:10   it had not seen the cars are complex or just come more comp just complex in [TS]

02:05:15   different ways it's a different industry the completely different industry we've [TS]

02:05:20   got multi gigahertz Unix machines with touch screens with 60 frames per second [TS]

02:05:26   animation that are all fit into that we carry out our pockets are right i mean [TS]

02:05:31   they are amazing devices so don't don't tell me that you know cars and other [TS]

02:05:36   another order of magnitude or something but it's funny anyway on Twitter he [TS]

02:05:40   tweeted yo I don't head out to great company with a lot of talented people I [TS]

02:05:45   love their products and I'm glad they're doing and EV electric vehicle regarding [TS]

02:05:51   the watch Johnny and his team created beautiful design but the functionality [TS]

02:05:55   isn't compelling yet by version 3 it will be somebody who started following [TS]

02:06:01   you on my I think I started following him during the initial dragon tests [TS]

02:06:06   whether they're trying to land a rocket operate and just because I some people [TS]

02:06:11   were treated retweeting stuff you treat it like a CEO that's because frankly on [TS]

02:06:15   Twitter and that's not John McGarry this'll be interesting to watch [TS]

02:06:19   he tends to do this pretty like do the day after responsive tweets to pretty [TS]

02:06:24   much every interview he's done he did it after the yeah let's drop nooks on the [TS]

02:06:28   polls that happened during the Stephen Colbert where I think he just he says [TS]

02:06:34   things and then he watches the media you like oh no no you're you're [TS]

02:06:38   misinterpreting what I said completely ok just just for my own personal [TS]

02:06:44   happiness meter I'm gonna say this and I don't necessarily think it's it's [TS]

02:06:49   apologizing I think it's let me actually make sure you understand what I said UPI [TS]

02:06:56   dialing it back a little you know like he's he's gonna make he he'll come out [TS]

02:07:03   and that's why he's such an enjoyable personality and I can't help but think [TS]

02:07:07   that having a personality like that is it really helps motivate teams you know [TS]

02:07:13   and the company's it works for it in the same way that it did with jobs it bye [TS]

02:07:17   bye erring on the side of having the dial turn too high it and then and then [TS]

02:07:24   dialing back as necessary as opposed to being cautious and keeping the dial a [TS]

02:07:28   little too low and then maybe trying to tweak it up a little bit you know you [TS]

02:07:31   have to pick which side you're going to err on there yet [TS]

02:07:34   by erring on the side of too much I think it's it's how you'd do the [TS]

02:07:39   impossible [TS]

02:07:40   yeah I absolutely i mean you can't you can't win big unless you attempt to fill [TS]

02:07:45   pick and you can't i'm i'm happy with him being boisterous ridiculous it it [TS]

02:07:53   did it I thought it was fun it did though it it made me and again just by [TS]

02:07:58   coincidence the timing is truly coincidentally is just that the fact [TS]

02:08:03   that the anniversary of Steve Jobs death was last week for years you know every [TS]

02:08:09   October it comes up and it gets a little bit and it just made me think and in [TS]

02:08:13   some ways it's just sad and it just you know nobody wanted to go to die so it's [TS]

02:08:17   always sad to remember somebody you know beloved who died but with the Elon Musk [TS]

02:08:22   comment it really made me miss him because it's Apple doesn't need somebody [TS]

02:08:29   who can play that role but you know i mean it would have been back and forth [TS]

02:08:35   back and forth between Steve Jobs in Elon Musk on a semi public forum would [TS]

02:08:40   have been glorious and going forward making cars like as fun as it's going to [TS]

02:08:47   be to have apple and Tesla competing in the space it would have been more fun if [TS]

02:08:51   so I made it did make me miss ya Jaane last thing I did see the [TS]

02:09:03   yeah everybody call Aaron Sorkin but it's Aaron Sorkin written and Danny [TS]

02:09:09   Boyle directed [TS]

02:09:11   I can see why the Aaron Sorkin I you know what all is Aaron Sorkin done is [TS]

02:09:18   done few good men he's in the West Wing sports night which is still at one of my [TS]

02:09:22   all-time favorite TV shows [TS]

02:09:24   studio 60 which was not one of my all-time favorite TV shows like that I [TS]

02:09:28   like I like it yeah exactly was flawed but had some really great moments and [TS]

02:09:32   same thing with the newsroom and very flood but occasional high points in the [TS]

02:09:37   occasional hyper low points but he has a style yeah dialogue and it is you either [TS]

02:09:45   like it [TS]

02:09:46   hated or or maybe sometimes you like it sometimes you don't but it's very [TS]

02:09:50   distinctive and this movie is very very Aaron Sorkin he also wrote the the [TS]

02:09:57   social network movie and the social network to me was a far more [TS]

02:10:04   conventional movie it was you could tell this organisms in the way that [TS]

02:10:10   characters talked but was very neutered 44 sirkin like that was the first thing [TS]

02:10:15   I ever noticed with with social network is it feels very again there's little [TS]

02:10:20   bits of shortening it but doesn't feel like an Aaron Sorkin production this [TS]

02:10:23   this Steve Jobs is very it just screams and in ways that are good and bad in a [TS]

02:10:30   way that's good the best thing I can say about it is that there's only a handful [TS]

02:10:34   of major characters and they are all interesting and well with the exception [TS]

02:10:43   of maybe of Christian whatever her last name was the mother of his who is sort [TS]

02:10:51   of a weird in the movie just a little little mousey [TS]

02:10:58   but she was she was she didn't have as much dialogue and made her little [TS]

02:11:05   uncertain but the characters who were there were all vivid very very vivid it [TS]

02:11:12   was not just Steve Jobs and a bunch of others it was you know a bunch of very [TS]

02:11:17   interesting characters and the dialogue is good and the characters are coming [TS]

02:11:22   from [TS]

02:11:23   interesting perspectives and there's a lot of really really interesting [TS]

02:11:26   conflict and it's entirely verbal it I enjoyed it I thought the last third drug [TS]

02:11:36   a little bit its base and I think most people know the basic gist of it it [TS]

02:11:39   reacts the first there and they're all these scenes that centered around Apple [TS]

02:11:45   Steve Jobs product unveilings 1984 original Macintosh 1988 its next box in [TS]

02:11:52   1998 original iMac which we just talked about an hour ago and then there's this [TS]

02:11:58   these scenes of you know personal conflict around these events but it's [TS]

02:12:02   not really about the event and it's not about the products for the most part I [TS]

02:12:09   thought the third one the third act with the iMac the scene drug a little bit I [TS]

02:12:14   thought I like the first two much better this movie is wonder is really good I [TS]

02:12:19   have to say I know there's a lot of people have to listen to the talk show [TS]

02:12:22   this movie is really really going to bother you if you're the sort of person [TS]

02:12:26   who wanted to be factually actor I don't understand why you'd go see a fiction [TS]

02:12:33   movie I know why people expected to hit all the buttons but it was already based [TS]

02:12:40   on a book that wasn't entirely you know yeah but this takes liberties though it [TS]

02:12:45   does just taking liberties this is like the best way I can say is it fuels a lot [TS]

02:12:53   more like a play then a movie and in fact I think it could be adapted to be a [TS]

02:12:59   stage play good really easily I think the hardest part would be how to stage [TS]

02:13:04   it because so much of it takes place on stages like almost feel like I was [TS]

02:13:10   thinking about it [TS]

02:13:10   as I came home is maybe the way to play it would be to have the actors pretend [TS]

02:13:16   that the theater they're performing a play in is empty [TS]

02:13:20   in at the audience isn't there but that's the way it feels to me it didn't [TS]

02:13:26   really feel like a movie and it's not certain autobiography in any sense of [TS]

02:13:30   the word like thinking about like I somebody on Twitter who tweeted that he [TS]

02:13:38   wished their dad Martin Scorsese would do a Steve Jobs biography sorta like the [TS]

02:13:42   ABA here would be so bored I mean Steve Jobs a fascinating character but i just [TS]

02:13:47   i don't feel like we needed I don't think we need a diabetic noting that he [TS]

02:13:52   did was as senate cinematically interesting is flying airplanes I really [TS]

02:14:00   like scorsese but yeah I was abdel Ibrahim Twitter account is he be D O [TS]

02:14:13   photo tweeted that which I thought was a keen observation if that's what you're [TS]

02:14:17   hoping for it is not like that at all and it is not a story like you know that [TS]

02:14:22   like the social network was it's you know a melodrama about his personal life [TS]

02:14:29   and with Lisa's daughter [TS]

02:14:35   overall I don't know why I candid I i enjoyed it but I really had to let go of [TS]

02:14:42   what I know to be factually true to enjoy it and I can really see I also can [TS]

02:14:46   really see why his family is not happy about it at all because some of them [TS]

02:14:50   like liberties they're not just liberties they're just total [TS]

02:14:52   inaccuracies so just to name one and it really the movie really centers around [TS]

02:14:57   his relationship with his first daughter Lisa in the way that when she was first [TS]

02:15:01   born he denied his paternity that's all factually true we don't we know that and [TS]

02:15:06   complaining about this is that knee jerk response I get when I bring this stuff [TS]

02:15:11   up is that people think that if your people like me who is a fan of Steve [TS]

02:15:15   Jobs want this stuff buried and we don't want to talk about it we don't want to [TS]

02:15:19   be out there because it's uncomfortable and it's ugly it's unfortunate that's [TS]

02:15:24   not the case at all and nobody who I know who really cares about it is is [TS]

02:15:28   saying those things and in a way that he could be almost tyrannical to work for [TS]

02:15:33   nobody is asking people not to remember that order sweep it under the carpet [TS]

02:15:37   they're just asking for it to be put into context and the thing that I could [TS]

02:15:42   see would be so painful it's it's is in the movie he in 1998 when iMac thing he [TS]

02:15:50   still hasn't reconciled with his daughter Lisa [TS]

02:15:53   he sort of does right before he goes on to datetime field iMac which is [TS]

02:15:59   ridiculous if you think a wide world would he be doing at Lake as like the PR [TS]

02:16:05   people are saying let you know your thirty seconds later minute lead you [TS]

02:16:08   know you know did not have it doesn't seem like jobs at all besides if you [TS]

02:16:13   were if you're talking about you know someone who is excessively focused over [TS]

02:16:18   rehearsing and all of that you know right no one gets to come near me for 24 [TS]

02:16:22   hours [TS]

02:16:23   right and actually that's his ways and the character that Michael Fassbender [TS]

02:16:28   plays is interesting and he's great he's what he is a great actor and it's a very [TS]

02:16:32   interesting character but the character he plays bears no resemblance to Steve [TS]

02:16:35   Jobs yeah it's so in short what I almost wish is almost wish that they had done [TS]

02:16:41   like like something like citizen keep this wouldn't have sold because it's the [TS]

02:16:45   name Steve Jobs that is selling tickets to think but like Citizen Kane was a [TS]

02:16:50   thinly veiled biography of William Randolph Hearst and instead of naming [TS]

02:16:57   the guy William Randolph Hearst they made a had enough legal problems dealing [TS]

02:17:01   with hearst as is [TS]

02:17:02   hearst almost cut though the negative burned by naming the guy what's his name [TS]

02:17:08   child's foster Charles Foster Kane so funny I remember the faster but Charles [TS]

02:17:14   George Foster Kane Charles Foster Kane they had enough problems as it but it in [TS]

02:17:19   addition to the fact that it helped them legally it just let them take liberties [TS]

02:17:23   that they couldn't take otherwise but in real life steve Jobs was married to you [TS]

02:17:32   know larry powell jobs by this time in the early nineties and they had kids of [TS]

02:17:37   their own and that family reconciled with Lisa at some point in the nineties [TS]

02:17:43   and brighter in and she was living with them for a time and you know whatever [TS]

02:17:47   damage was done early in his life had gotten a lot better and Steve Jobs it [TS]

02:17:53   really turned around [TS]

02:17:55   well before 1998 whereas this movie paints a portrait of somebody who is no [TS]

02:18:02   rambo resemblance to reality at all and I just and right and then just a little [TS]

02:18:08   factual things are going to drive nerds crazy is that like in 1998 Steve woz [TS]

02:18:14   Wozniak was still bugging jobs to thank the Apple to engineering team at the [TS]

02:18:21   appt at the iMac introduction [TS]

02:18:24   and I swear to God and and jobs claims was for the Newton [TS]

02:18:35   so if things like that would bother you like you would there's no way that you [TS]

02:18:43   can get around them and just pretend that this is totally fictional fable [TS]

02:18:48   loosely based on somebody named Steve Jobs at Apple do not see this movie if [TS]

02:18:53   you if you don't want that shit Steve Jobs blame lies the act for the news [TS]

02:18:57   then do not watch this you know so a couple of plays and 11 of them I saw [TS]

02:19:07   pretty recently called the Farnsworth invention which is a story about the [TS]

02:19:12   founding of television essentially it's it's a very very good show if you know [TS]

02:19:18   nothing about the founding of television would just say it centers around a guy [TS]

02:19:23   named Philo Farnsworth and then RCA basically Farnsworth RCA were [TS]

02:19:28   simultaneously developing television and then it deals with basically their legal [TS]

02:19:32   battles where Farnsworth alleges that RCA basically steals the founding of [TS]

02:19:36   television all of that is true the hyper like the the pivotal point in the script [TS]

02:19:42   which is how the legal battle results is wildly different from the actual results [TS]

02:19:49   of of the world's like what actually happened in real life and a lot of [TS]

02:19:53   people when they first saw the fifth the show or just kind of like what [TS]

02:19:58   but Sorkin went that way because he wanted to make his point he wanted he [TS]

02:20:02   was telling a story and whether or not the story actually lined up with real [TS]

02:20:08   logistical history [TS]

02:20:10   doesn't matter if they had her which is very much what I kind of feel like even [TS]

02:20:17   from the earliest trailers of Steve Jobs again I really I wish it hadn't been [TS]

02:20:23   called that I wish they had figured out a different title I wish that they had [TS]

02:20:26   taken more liberties with it because I think it [TS]

02:20:29   Charles Foster Kane US citizen kane version of Steve Jobs is life would be [TS]

02:20:35   fascinating just like a steve King version of Elon Musk's life would be [TS]

02:20:40   fascinating and it's not it again because it's just these three little [TS]

02:20:46   scenes you know surrounding these products event it wouldn't have this [TS]

02:20:50   movie wouldn't even with giving everybody fake names wouldn't have that [TS]

02:20:54   the scope of a citizen kane no scope but that's sort of I don't know or just wait [TS]

02:21:01   a few decades literally decades so that it's not not so fresh right I mean I met [TS]

02:21:07   you know I remember the iMac launched I'm sure you do to really wasn't that [TS]

02:21:13   long ago not even 20 years back the people are so if if two-thirds of the [TS]

02:21:21   people in this film are still living in Moneyball was the same issue right I [TS]

02:21:27   don't I actually don't know the logistic like I read the book but the book in the [TS]

02:21:30   film or a little bit different in my ways but I don't even yeah I don't know [TS]

02:21:36   if feels it feels weird I don't like watching biopics especially recent pics [TS]

02:21:40   for that very reason yeah I think Moneyball again it's weird and I do [TS]

02:21:45   realize too that I'm intimately familiar with apple and their products and you [TS]

02:21:50   know at least Steve Jobs is public life and so obvious inaccuracies jump out to [TS]

02:21:56   me and in a way that I'm not quite with Moneyball because I'm a baseball fan but [TS]

02:22:01   I can't say that I followed the Oakland Athletics to the degree that I follow [TS]

02:22:05   Apple [TS]

02:22:06   but I think that the money I don't think people associated with it the real [TS]

02:22:11   people in it really had money much to complain about [TS]

02:22:14   yeah I don't think Billy being a complainer Brad Pitt is playing you know [TS]

02:22:19   I'm great on every level you know I don't know it's it's why I have very [TS]

02:22:27   mixed feelings about it it's not it was an enjoyable movie but it's absolutely [TS]

02:22:32   positively wasn't don't have anything to do with jobs are almost very little I [TS]

02:22:40   would have been surprised if it did honestly I wanted to tell a character [TS]

02:22:44   study and he wanted to he wanted to shape the character in the he's been [TS]

02:22:47   really obsessed the last couple I wanna see the last couple projects done with [TS]

02:22:51   father-daughter relationships you know yes yeah I think that was more of his [TS]

02:22:58   like oh yeah I can read the Steve Jobs movie but not actually gonna write about [TS]

02:23:02   Steve Jobs in the right about what I want to write about and that is [TS]

02:23:05   fundamentally that is what this movie's about Aaron Sorkin Steve Jobs is is a [TS]

02:23:09   father-daughter relationship story which could have been great great movie if it [TS]

02:23:14   was entitled to jobs and even in in my opinion even [TS]

02:23:19   with that it was increased because I thought that third third act was really [TS]

02:23:23   like that it just was just didn't ring true [TS]

02:23:30   not not true to like what I know to be factually true but like just contrived [TS]

02:23:35   is maybe the word yeah here's my notes melodramatic be contrived it's probably [TS]

02:23:41   a better word and I thought even even bordering a little bit boring and it'll [TS]

02:23:47   be interesting to see how it plays I'm curious to see how big of a hit as I [TS]

02:23:50   will say this to end it really made me cringe as it was a theater full of [TS]

02:23:54   college students good crowd I mean it was free I think free movies go over [TS]

02:23:58   pretty well pretty well oncologists [TS]

02:24:01   when their credit came up everybody's up there is a young woman right behind me [TS]

02:24:10   she said her friend wow that was my dad I'd be using an Android I swear to god [TS]

02:24:18   that was what she does not paint a good picture know and I just like that it was [TS]

02:24:30   there that I don't really understand if you really wanted to tell [TS]

02:24:33   father-daughter piece you could have done a really interesting things I mean [TS]

02:24:37   I think the iMac from a product standpoint is it pretty pivotal moment [TS]

02:24:41   in Apple's history but I you know if you really wanted to compare Steve Jobs the [TS]

02:24:46   father you should have done the iPhone release because that actually gives him [TS]

02:24:50   a family that's not Lisa you know that that gives him a chance to basically [TS]

02:24:56   press the redo button on being a father and I don't know this is me rewriting [TS]

02:25:02   rewriting Aaron Sorkin [TS]

02:25:04   I know better than anyone during screenwriter but I i'm [TS]

02:25:08   this is not a lot you know that's the thing there isn't really much of a plot [TS]

02:25:13   to spoil I mean it's a biopic never even get because it ends in 1998 there's [TS]

02:25:18   absolutely no know nothing about his illness or anything like that but it's [TS]

02:25:23   like they can't help themselves and it's like oh come on in 1998 is darrow's to [TS]

02:25:28   walk around with it [TS]

02:25:29   I'm gonna fix that i'm gonna put 500 songs pocket now 5,000 songs not well [TS]

02:25:36   between 500 and 5,000 but I'm gonna do it I'm gonna put it in your pocket cause [TS]

02:25:39   I'm so sick of seeing you with that stupid a player and it's ok [TS]

02:25:46   zactly exactly they turned to the camera you get a little musical staying at the [TS]

02:25:56   shame you know i i really like stored in the he's he's very flawed as a writer [TS]

02:26:01   but I I love I love musical dialogue and yes the idea yet the idea of creating [TS]

02:26:08   jobs or at least very issues like jobs has great musical dialogue Sorkin has [TS]

02:26:14   great musical dialogue this could possibly be amazing or Sorkin could fall [TS]

02:26:18   down one of his rivals and it could be I do it there is good dialogue I'm again [TS]

02:26:23   you have to be able to let go and I i enough of a a cinema fans that I can [TS]

02:26:29   sort of at times if the movie is made by talented people I can I can disengage [TS]

02:26:34   from whether or not the movie is driving me in and just sort of watch it in a [TS]

02:26:38   different way and I could do that and they're definitely could like what's her [TS]

02:26:43   name who plays Joanna Hoffman Kate Winslet Kate Winslet really really good [TS]

02:26:48   I think if anybody gets any kind of award nominations are going to be her I [TS]

02:26:52   think she's remarkable and it's a great character and I don't know anything [TS]

02:26:56   about the real join often so I can compare it you know i i don't know but [TS]

02:27:00   she has a super great role in this movie really well written really great dynamic [TS]

02:27:07   over the you know the fifteen-year stretch that it covers and she just [TS]

02:27:13   she's the reason to see the movie I think and it's it's a great performance [TS]

02:27:18   in really really well written character that's actually really phenomenal here [TS]

02:27:24   because I know Sorkin's had trouble writing women lately so I think that [TS]

02:27:27   she's she's the exam is it a great great female character in my opinion [TS]

02:27:32   number one reason to watch a movie and I can totally see why actors would want to [TS]

02:27:36   play his characters because I really feel like [TS]

02:27:39   yeah yeah I feel like I feel like I said all the main characters jobs and and [TS]

02:27:46   Joanna Hoffman and Andy Herzfeld and why was and although the whys that Seth [TS]

02:27:52   Rogen place again is why I would say he bears less resemblance to the real was [TS]

02:27:57   then then Fassbender's jobs does he doesnt bear any resemblance to the real [TS]

02:28:01   wise not even just physically just everything about him is very different [TS]

02:28:04   but it's an interesting character in a movie if you don't pretend that he's was [TS]

02:28:07   was and especially john sculley played by gosh what his name Jeff Jeff Jeff [TS]

02:28:18   Daniels love and he and he does so well with Sorkin's rating I mean he's a [TS]

02:28:22   highlight of the newsroom for me and he he really steals the show in this too [TS]

02:28:27   and he does have a huge role but he's one of the major you know major [TS]

02:28:31   characters and he's he's really good really really good [TS]

02:28:34   yeah so anyway that's that's my talk show review of Steve Jobs good good good [TS]

02:28:43   overview I think I will see it I you should see I would recommend these I [TS]

02:28:48   mean I just came I'm gonna go into it as you said with with film critic eyes on [TS]

02:28:54   and not with not with tech writer job eyes on its I'll bet you'll come out [TS]

02:29:00   another way to put it is it's exactly what you think it is [TS]

02:29:04   yeah and it's disappointing in some ways but we're seeing others if you can put [TS]

02:29:10   aside their actual stuff you can protect if you can ignore the fact that most of [TS]

02:29:14   the movie isn't actually true but it's fiction I i'm not accept I wasn't [TS]

02:29:20   expecting to do a note for note by a pic when it was announced that he was [TS]

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02:29:52   serenity Caldwell people can read your work I'm or dot com and on Twitter you [TS]

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02:30:04   and I thank you for your time [TS]

02:30:05   anything else you wanna anything else you wanna books that came out we did [TS]

02:30:10   read in a book on Apple music if you're if you're having trouble with that the [TS]

02:30:14   big thing is actually not tech related to my tech related and that Jason Snell [TS]

02:30:18   of a former macro 106 colors fame and myself and David lawyer who is a [TS]

02:30:22   playwright and also Twitter enthusiasts along with a whole host of other people [TS]

02:30:27   have put together a old timey radio theatre podcast called the incomparable [TS]

02:30:32   radio theatre and we're doing season one right now [TS]

02:30:34   454 episodes in I think of a twelve episodes season it's been really fun [TS]

02:30:40   lots of guest voices that you may recognize from the tech community and [TS]

02:30:46   also you know get cameos just left and right it's it's been a blast at such a [TS]

02:30:50   fun like late record late night put together [TS]

02:30:54   Jason does magic of editing wizardry Chris Prine formerly of back roads of [TS]

02:30:59   Apple does amazing music it's just it's it's works for a company he does work [TS]

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02:31:08   it does sound like fun I will put a link to that new show nodes and [TS]

02:31:14   it seems as though everybody it seems like everybody's desperate for podcast [TS]

02:31:17   to listen to because last week mark and i were talking about hello internet and [TS]

02:31:22   hello internet shut up from Mike number three on the overcast recommended list a [TS]

02:31:26   number one passing even Marcos own podcast and I know that is entirely [TS]

02:31:31   markers doing but anybody looking for a good podcast that does sound like fun [TS]

02:31:36   and it also sound like it's a lot different than the average text show to [TS]

02:31:41   people talking about this week's news [TS]

02:31:44   texture so anyway I will put a link into that sounds great thank you serenity [TS]

02:31:48   thank you John actually before we go i did want to mention it just happened [TS]

02:31:52   today Gary Allen who ran i oh yeah yeah he just passed away from brain cancer [TS]

02:31:57   which is in part why he shut down I and i know i as somebody as a former Apple [TS]

02:32:05   retail employee and someone who religiously checked that site for many [TS]

02:32:08   years it feels like we lost a good one today [TS]

02:32:11   really does and it makes me sad I never really I don't think I ever met him [TS]

02:32:16   either a lot over the years because he was the definitive I mean what a weird [TS]

02:32:21   be paid to eke out but that's a crazy beat but then for years to come [TS]

02:32:27   you know the source and if there was nothing to write it in right and if [TS]

02:32:31   they're new stores who wrote about him but when he's stopped writing the site [TS]

02:32:36   back in March I was just that well all right he's done but it turns out there [TS]

02:32:40   was because he didn't want to go public within have people you know [TS]

02:32:48   yeah so anyway my best to anybody who knew and friends or family [TS]

02:32:55   he will be missed [TS]

02:32:59   all right thank you serenity thank you john was a blast talk to you soon [TS]