00:00:00 ◼ ► do i cnt last night I didn't aden was busy last night my daughter's six is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► taking care of her own oh that's terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► yeah it's a little bit of a cough kind of modeling croup kinda thing so senior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► three so it happens I get around that age it's sort of like when they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/13">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► exactly certain things putting on things and I'm helping with this well in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/19">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► end you know they're always putting things in their mouths but it's like at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/25">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► three they can I find it amazing new places to go to put things right exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/29">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► have their ambulatory and they can climb now exactly the first are moving around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/35">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► and you can just sort of like you know clean up a room in a bedroom where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/43">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► everything within reach is reasonably clean and then you know that's good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/47">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► in 1983 they can get anywhere either you go pull clean room where it's just bare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/52">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► walls to the ceiling or you just gonna have to roll with the punches so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/58">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► weird I feel like there's a weird combination August is always a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/66">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► time every industry but intact in particular it's always slow in some ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/69">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► but I feel like this year it's it's interesting and a couple of ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/76">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► well and wine and I just saw this is right I'll be I'm sure you saw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/81">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► article as I saw it on TechCrunch is that all the drama Twitter war last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/87">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► great as we record today August 7th the news today is that Chris Sacca whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/94">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► outspoken investor where ya think it is that he gets a fair characterization I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/105">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► doubt he'd talk too much of that lol I don't put words into it but it seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/111">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► have no qualms in saying what he believes is the right thing to do there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/116">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► I would also say it would be fair to describe him as influential investor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/120">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► hehe sort of maybe like are intact he sort of like the nice guy version of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/129">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► can get sicker like right I mean I can I can is sort of a bulldozer I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/140">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► exact address to talk to the right people and they look these are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/147">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► things that connect the way people that are whatever I mean you notice that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/150">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► is the first time is really kind of come out i mean obviously is set alot about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/154">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► Twitter product and he's written medium posts about what a product and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/158">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► stuff either certain things they need to do with their product which is fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/162">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► everybody has opinions and you know he's known the product for a long time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/166">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► first a museum and explicitly said like it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/170">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► hired jack for the CEO spot and I think he does work a lot behind the scenes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/173">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► kind of connect the dots and try to get the right things to happen with water as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/179">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► he really cares about it but this is the first time is actually kind of come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/184">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► and said in public on Twitter hey yes you heard jack and you know it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/187">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► like there's a whole Twitter CEO thing is such as soap opera i mean you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/197">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► could not write a more soap opera style story because like a real soap opera the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/203">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► characters don't go away like they've gone through like that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/210">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► bunch of CEOs and everybody who has ever been the Twitter CEO remains on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/216">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► board right yeah exactly in the they come back from like oh no they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/224">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► dead they were in the basement like strapped to a gurney and you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/230">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► doctor was experimenting on the man now you know your cousin is back and he's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/234">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► love with you or whatever so you've always got these you know former co [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/238">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► founders and CEOs on the board looking over your shoulder I mean even with Dick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/247">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► Costolo you know that he's you know he's he's I guess he is no longer the CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/254">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► but he's you know you go right to the book yeah he's on the board I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/260">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► think that Twitter has a unique history in a lot of the people that were really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/266">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► invested in it or not it was not brought on because they were business people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/271">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► because there's this sort of just two old way of thinking about leadership in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/277">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► the valley and depending on the Investor depending on the stage of the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/283">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► lot of other things you get varying opinions about what's the right thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/288">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► do for his leadership goes but there's a huge sort of cadre of people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/292">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► valley that follow and and really closely adhere to this technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/298">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► foundered leadership mentality rate like a person who came up with the idea and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/303">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► maybe even wrote some code in the original concept already been crafted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/308">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► the first first MVP you know product is the person that you leave the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/312">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► cuz they know what the best they know the underlying sort of purpose that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/317">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► saw behind it and they can guide that purpose through whatever permutations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/323">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► become if they're in that leadership position whereas outside the valley and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/326">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► even in the valley this there's some folks who are kind of coming around to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/332">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► this type of mentality but outside the value often see somebody being brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/336">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► in purely because there are good see if they have no idea what the technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/340">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► aspects of the product until maybe even at first they may not even use it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/345">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► mean barely noted exist in Gentilly until the CEO search starts happening or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/351">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► whatever but then they get brought in because they are a good see like a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/355">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► cleanup hitter you know you don't bring them in for their fielding prowess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/360">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► necessarily but you're gonna bring them into to order order order to bring bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/364">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► them back to home base that's their skill they don't have the other skills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/371">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► Eric Schmidt might be a canonical example of that in terms of you know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/376">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► in in 04 when they did you know that that what was Eric Schmidt's talent that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/383">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► you know I think bottom line that he was seen as being a good CEO and that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/389">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► what Google that the time needed and you know it's hard to if that's if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/395">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► to take that that stance it's hard to argue against that whatever you think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/401">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► you know Eric Schmidt and you know Google they certainly have been very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/405">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► successful under him and it seems to have worked well for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/409">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► yeah me think that larry obviously taking over a lot of people saw that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/412">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► a sort of Reclamation and resurrection of some Google missions as you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/418">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► you'll notice that a lot of the experimental programs you know really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/423">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► took on a new life and and respond up after that happened I think that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/427">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► is something to be said for both know I think that getting your financial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/433">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► underpinnings in order and your business plans aligned with the stuff that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/438">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► going to help you grow and spend money in the long run is a huge thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/442">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► Google there's essentially two ways to think about it you think about Google in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/446">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► terms of weight makes money which is actually quite boring boring to me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/449">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► not so bad take people might take offense but now they're doing and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/453">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► fine but it's fairly straightforward the way they make money is that about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/457">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► way they spend their money is fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/462">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► endlessly fascinating to me and so that that is like kind of the dual role those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/464">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► two years played it yet and I think the other factor there though is that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/469">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► was never any kind of drama or tension between our see at least from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/474">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► outside certainly didn't seem like there was between Larry and Sergey and Eric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/479">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► Schmidt that it was a crime you know that they were seen as three guys who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/484">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► led the company and you know the fact that they brought in a CEO didn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/487">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► steer the company away from what it was founded to do you know and that those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/492">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► guys were still there and we're obviously heavily influential throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/498">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► that whole period where it was the CEO and obviously even more influential now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/502">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► that larry is the CEO but you know so I think you could see Google sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/507">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► almost like both sides of the argument that they did well by bringing in a CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/515">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► but they also did well by keeping the founders there in a significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/519">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► yeah I agree agree and and Twitter dozen doesn't necessarily have that history it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/526">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► has this kind of weird history where they bring people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/532">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► there's there's sort of internal contentions and fights about who really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/535">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► should be in charge regardless of who actually holds the CEO spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/542">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► well there's even conventional Twitter over who the actual founder is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/546">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► is it was it Jack Dorsey who or Evan Williams you know and I you know what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/550">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► name Nick Bilton wrote a whole book you know about the trend it I said all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/558">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► argument right and i think that this is a good time into that hole you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/566">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► who do you bring in to run a company thing like the founder of the technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/573">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► founder or person knows how to run a business and I think that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/576">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► something there's an alignment there because part of buildings book and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/579">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► is very this is a good thing that he pointed out that it I think more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/585">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► should understand about the valley is that there's this myth of the sole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/588">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► creator rate of the the mythical creator and that's not unique to the valley at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/592">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► think that a lot of companies have had this history especially in America where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/598">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► we've kind of value is sort of like entrepreneurial spirit and I found I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/601">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► made this thing with my hands and so you get this creed or meth spun up where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/606">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► story becomes less and less complex overtime until eventually it's this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/613">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► made this thing but in reality if you drill down to the roots of the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/617">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► it's these twelve people made this thing in varying ways this person was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/622">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► influencer this person said no to the very thing that that would have made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/627">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► great and you know whatever right you can you can burrow down to all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/632">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► little teeny decisions are made in the origin but it's very very rare to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/636">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► pan out if you brought down to the origins of most of these companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/644">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► think Twitter is one of those things where you had people it was such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/648">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► nebulous start because it was side project of another company which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/652">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► itself kind of flailing and deciding what it wanted to do and all this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/657">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► and then you had on top of that you have egos and you have people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/662">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► obviously incredibly talented but also eloquent and you know have a passion for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/666">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► it and it wasn't just day who made it so who gets the equity it was who made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/672">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► so who gets to only create you know I think that's almost as important as any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/677">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► other currency in Silicon Valley because it funds future ventures and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/681">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► ability to get funding for future companies and that sort of thing so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/686">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► think that Jack kind of came out the winner there for a time although people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/689">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► have acknowledged you know as efforts more and more as time goes on and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/693">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► course there are plenty of people I mean people forget you know just always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/697">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► there 10 years yeah you know it's just a guy who kind of came out of nowhere and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/701">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► I think that there is a big difference between every key cut short shrift a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/707">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► and he was kinda handed a bag of bones and asked to do things that weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/711">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► necessarily possible I am NOT claiming insider knowledge on any of this it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/716">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► you know observation and discussion and all this stuff over time it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/721">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► you know nobody ever told me was a jerk or so does know what he's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/726">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► I never ever heard that in the history of reporting on Twitter and it was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/733">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► know over the product is all over the place in the kent said what to do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/737">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► this and that the other thing which is that you know things it could be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/741">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► yeah I always come back to I just really think that there's history in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/746">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► natural I don't even know how to be avoided but it with investors want some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/754">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► company has unbelievable success I mean just you know like if you got in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/760">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► know boom that you've stock explodes and you make tons of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/767">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► and the company starts making enormous profits and it's you know who rise all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/773">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► around that investors see want to look for somebody else and say you should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/779">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► what they did and I always do know Apple's company that I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/783">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► intimately familiar with and that to me was twenty years ago this whole argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/787">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► of you gotta stop you gotta get out of the hardware game your software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/793">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► companies to license your OS which was more or less you should just do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/797">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► microsoft does because Microsoft was extraordinarily successful at that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/802">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► right and it was too late at buy at a certain point from an investor's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/808">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► standpoint it was too late to make lots of money on Microsoft has it already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/812">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► gotten huge so why not you know get into a ball and have Apple do it they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/815">TS</a>]
00:13:40 ◼ ► even though that doesn't make any sense it would not make any sense for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/820">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► doing what these people were saying would actually lead to the result of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/825">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► Apple having become a Microsoft style success and in fact when they dip their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/829">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► toes in it it was a disaster with the cloning and stuff like that it made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/836">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► bad situation worse there's nothing to do and to me that anyway where I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/842">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► twitter is Apple and Facebook as Microsoft and that argument oh right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/850">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► yeah I definitely think you're right there and I think there's plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/854">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► people that are looking at in both companies have made faints towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/857">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► duplicating and/or cloning certain features of each other and for the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/862">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► part those don't pan out well because the line you know what the company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/867">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► the core of what the company is it takes to this you can you can put up there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/871">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► stillbirth cartoon that gives me a little bit of a cough but it did I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/876">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► tweeted in my feed it was so so germane to this it's from 2012 but the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/884">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► first panel it's the boss yet dilbert and the dog and the boss right in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/891">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► dog is the consultant the boss says I had a management consultant to teach us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/896">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► something he calls backwards causation and silver sitting there looking at him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/900">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► a second panel the dog is the consultant always says I studied the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/904">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► successful companies if you imitate them you'll feel as if you have a strategy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/908">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► his number one sponsored golf tournament so you see you can meet celebrities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/914">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► yeah it's it's a stephane aside but it really is so true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/922">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► you get a lot of these things where people go this was successful so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/926">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► should imitate this and they don't ask you know why was it successful or why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/930">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► was it successful in that particular area that's a big thing it's a big comic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/936">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► the third cut the third panel is obviously the joke and it is kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/941">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► funny but it's the second panel that sets up the joke that's actually sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/944">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► the insight into the bad strategy of a lot of companies right cuz it's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/948">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► that's it's the it's funny because it's true if you imitate them you'll feel as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/955">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► if you have a strategy right it's much easier than doing the hard thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/959">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► about what the sole of your company is and how to expand that you know goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/964">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► without giving up that soul that that's a much much more difficult conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/969">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► to have then you don't just this is really cool when we test that out a be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/974">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► tested see if it works and if it works great if it doesn't we'll just try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/978">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► something some of the company to this that this to me is the bad him that Dick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/982">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► Costolo was dealt when he took over was that he was coming into a world where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/986">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► Facebook was heading towards a an IPO their IPO was successful they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/991">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► have done a tremendous job this is Facebook tremendous job pivoting to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► from being a web company to a mobile company including not just at the usage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► including making money there I think they're almost certain I just read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► they now make more money on mobile than they do from desktop I believe so yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► huge amount and there around like overnight in the night if if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► haven't quite passed it yet the trend lines are clear that did it either just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► happened early in the last quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► roared going down the trend trend line is absolutely to set that they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► to make more money on mobile which is exactly makes sense because people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► using mobile more so it makes it so that they've done great and they have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► unbelievable sized users you know they've got I don't know over a billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► active users around the world and it's growing 65% by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► 65% or 66 percent of their total revenue from mobile right so it has a year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► only and it's it's gonna keep going I think I think it's going to go up to 70 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► 75 80 you know unbelievable user base lots of profit it's not even you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► like oh you know hopefully you know they've got all the users and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► got all the revenue eventually they'll make a profit know they've already got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► the Prophet it's a great business and Twitter came of age in the shadow of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► Facebook and you know everybody made out with Facebook and Twitter is sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► like facebook in a general sense to social network right it's you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► one could argue that it's actually a different thing oh I think eww could but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► it also falls in that bucket you know it's certainly more similar than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► know you could say it's apples to oranges but it's it's not like comparing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► it's clearly you know they're in the same section of the grocery store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► you know and so therefore it was your Twitter should be as successful measured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► in those ways you know stock price revenue profits users active users as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► Facebook and I and i think the fundamental truth is that Facebook the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1135">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► nature of Facebook is more compelling to more people just regular people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► Twitter I think Twitter is a phenomenal idea i i honestly to me it has changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► my life I I honestly cannot can't even imagine I i it's hard for me to remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► you know what it was like before Twitter and to me it's always very funny to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► Twitter and the iPhone more or less came out around the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► I got signed up for Twitter in late 2006 and really kind of you know dug into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► throughout 2007 which was the year the iPhone came out and so it's you know my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► life pre 2007 I remember it but it seems a log of it for sure it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► unimaginable though I'd really does even just how I did during fireball seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► very strange to me because an enormous part of writing during fireball to me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► what I do on my iPhone and a lot of what I do my iPhone as Twitter in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► just finding links and getting feedback and and stuff like that I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► tremendous product I just don't think I think fundamentally though it's not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► compelling to the mass market as Facebook and yet the demand was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► from investors for it to be and they've twisted and contorted it to sort of make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► it as Facebook as they can while still being true to what Twitter is and it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► me it's just they've just perverted what what Twitter should be yeah I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► think this is a couple ways to look at that I i understand that argument and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► agree with it for the most part but I think that their ways to to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► Twitter as a product that it actually allows you to serve both of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► concepts serve the Twitter concept which is sort of a real-time pillar of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► internet you don't you don't you don't delete her from the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► well if Twitter today if like ever the company disappeared just some massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► boldly it turns out there was a Ponzi scheme and everybody in it is broke and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► there's no money anywhere and whatever right and every shares worth $0.01 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► and everybody cashes out and whatever you know the buildings empty tomorrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► something else would fill that void right it is something we did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► understand we needed out of the Internet until it existed and now that we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► that it exists it's impossible to deal with them so it's it's sort of one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► those you know sort of his cat things right I keep eating never saw her in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► box which you care that she didn't have her maybe maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► probably not right but now that you know it exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► lists there's absolutely no way that the internet exists without that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► this it's a it's a fundamental underpinning of the way the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► works now not necessarily that every user of internet users it obviously not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► because it's hoped he wouldn't have the problems that they're having but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► real-time feed influences the core internet users that drive the experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1315">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► for so many other people like news gatherers and newsmakers and people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► understand the way the internet works and the way that the world works in ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► that they need to broadcast or feel that they want to broadcast I mean if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► look at like two black labs matter movement and like dear David castan in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► like these and these folks that are that are on the ground in these various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► cities and and Windows body cambodia's come out and make it they get splashed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► all over Twitter and get shared and then shared out to news sites I mean those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► movements would lack a mi not that they wouldn't exist you know human beings are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► resilient but it would definitely not happy amplification that they do and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► know that enables it right it right it is a tremendous news service it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► different like what Twitter does that unique is just different and unique and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► it just measures differently than Facebook and it might end up being and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► thought I I honestly think this is true it might end up being less profitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► than Facebook but that doesn't mean this is this is when I'm getting it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► doesn't mean that Twitter isn't popular and can't be profitable just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► profitable up to expect unreasonable expectations that have been set yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► decided that for sure I don't think that they're ever going to reach Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► scale or if they do it'll be in a in a way we don't even see ya there was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► just brought it up and it's covered by a get Adobe Flash Player thing here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► which we can get too soon anyway it was a thing from last december where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► Williams was asked on stage about Instagram having more active users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► Twitter and he said I don't give a shit if instagram has more users and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► went on to note that obviously was got the headlines but yeah there was some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► contact the scene there but overall I think the sentiment is kind of accuracy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► that's what they need to feel here I'll quote unquote Evan Williams it's not too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► here's what he said it's a question of Brett versus depth why is users the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► thing we talked about the crazy thing Facebook has done an amazing job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► establishing that as the Metric for Wall Street no one ever talks about what is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► monthly active user I believe it's the case that if you use Facebook Connect if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► you use an app that you logged into with your considered a Facebook user whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► or not you ever launched the Facebook app or went to facebook.com so what does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► that mean it's become so abstract to be meaningless something you did cause some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► data in their servers to be recorded for the month so I think we're on the wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► path if you think and I think what you mean by that is where we as an industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► on the wrong path about measuring monthly active users is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► back to Evan waves quote if you think about the impact twitter has on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► world vs Instagram it's pretty significant it's at least apples to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► oranges twitter is what we wanted it to be its this real-time information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► network for everything in the world that happens on Twitter important stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► brakes on Twitter and world leaders have conversations on Twitter if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► happening I frankly don't give a shit if instagram has more people looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► pretty pictures and quote and that to me is a very compelling argument and I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► that that you know the fact that Evan Williams is still on the board and has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► some influence that it's you know my big fear about Twitter is that they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► to bring in somebody who is going to destroy what Twitter is good for in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► vain attempt to emulate Facebook right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► yeah I mean I think that there is a solution and I'm know you know I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► a dude who writes about things right this is easy for me to say and hard for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► anybody else to do but I think that there is a solution that solution is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► treat login Twitter and logged out to others to separate products that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► did they are starting to do that a little bit they've launched some things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► that are fainting at that but I also feel that they haven't had a unified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► product strategy that they've been able to stick to you for longer than a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► of quarters in in quite some time so it's going to take a while to see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► this pans out and whoever they bring in for leadership is going to need to feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1568">TS</a>]
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00:26:48 ◼ ► it's Greek laying down to distract against Meek Mill and tweeting it out or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1608">TS</a>]
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00:27:04 ◼ ► different things different entities and hold those two ideas in their hand at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► the same time and services to audiences gonna be key to whether or not they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1628">TS</a>]
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00:27:20 ◼ ► people who listen don't but do you follow magic racks yeah so magic recs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► for anybody who doesn't now it's the account is actually broke the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► graduate alright then you probably do know that yeah so magic wrecks are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► new tell me what magic Rex's the user count as a maid GIC capital R [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1659">TS</a>]
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00:27:48 ◼ ► break so magic Rex was the long story short metric ass was an experiment done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► by the experimental division its waters Canada handful of people that do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► know some of them adolescence and I think it still exists but they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► experiments with Twitter data and some of that existed to sort of surface good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► content like a how would we tell somebody if there's somebody worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► and you know you could say oh this person just get a bunch of followers but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► that doesn't tell the whole story you know they need to be important to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► personally why else would you want to follow them so they came up with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► idea to create a Twitter account at first as an experiment that Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► account with then funnel in the context of your followers who you followed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► it says oh if John Salley and Jane your network followed this person you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1715">TS</a>]
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00:28:52 ◼ ► in there and like who you know why did they follow us for something like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► they just got hired by this publication right that makes sense and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► also ran sort of running an experiment in the same manner on tweets so somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► tweeted something that was favored by a bunch of people in your network people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► you follow or people you interact with regularly it would then surface that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► would you say look seven people you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► favorited this Tweet probably something you want to look at so that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► genesis of the experiment I find it to be extraordinarily successful so I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► follow I get DM's from the magic Rex account and I'm just checking right here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► looks like I got ten in the last month so I it certainly doesn't bad to me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► raised in the last month I've gotten one every three days and they're all good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► it's a bunch of them this month have been about favorited tweets and most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► them you know it sometimes the ones that I've actually seen or it's about a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► that I know about but most of the morning and they were all worth looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1795">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► at Lake remarkably useful for some kind of AI bots in terms of that and like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► said there's a bunch that are like somebody some new account is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► followed by you know somebody and it's also remarkable to me how quickly some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► of them all right I actually worn my writers if we hire somebody not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► follow them immediately so that I can announce that writer because if writer's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► follow them all journalism is uniquely navel gazing and insular industry so all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► journalists follow each other and we all talk to each other and that sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► distorts what we think is important but that's a whole nother story but if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► all follow this writer all at once BAM then they it pops a magic wreck on all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► my competitors and they'll know that I heard them before I'm ready to announce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► the magic here's one for the at edge TV account and that's a new like sort of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1851">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► actually haven't looked at it yet but it's from the onion video but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► it's hilarious actually fake parity vice sort of yeah it's like you know hipster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► type independent journalists on you know around the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► dangerous situations but it's a parody but I got a couple days ago I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► edged at edge TV was just followed by Josh centers 11 seconds ago and at Matt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► 11 seconds after Josh centers followed them the magic tricks account sent me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► diem and said hey this you know Josh attention to this account right this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► from you know the guy who's the editor at tidbits now and mat Honan and 2003 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► media people I follow all followed it you might want to know and I did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► thought it was it was worth the thing that I'm giving out though is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► data that makes magic Rex work thinking and that whatever information they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► if they could show me ads at about the same pace show me 10 of a month but have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► arresting to me as as these are that's gold that is absolute positive gold like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► they they're obviously finding things that I think are interesting and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► that I think that their potential is clearly there that they could sell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► things that I would be interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► well you know that adds that the thing about Twitter ads is that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► actually really good already late lot of people don't know this because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► company itself is aligned on the whole because of its lack of user growth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► although you know as we are your detached on those metrics can be argued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► against rate strongly you know daily active users a month yet but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► maligned because those metrics have been established and they are what they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► but their ads and monetization departments actually outperform the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► company significantly outperform very loosely there but they perform an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1983">TS</a>]
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00:33:12 ◼ ► were able to solve these are growth problem or find a different way to count [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► those users people who viewed embedded tweets for instance included in monthly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► active users that sort of thing if they were able to fix that for the market I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► think it out it would actually go insane because the Twitter ads department which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► is the revenue department just led by Adam Bain whose by the way one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► front-runners for CEO news is actually really really well performing and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► the ads there are served up it with intelligence however I agree with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► that they could be much much better if I got an ad that I know was personalized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► like magic Rex I feel it would be even more effective but you know I'm no party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► in that department I agree with you though that could be a good concept the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► potential is clearly there yeah I mean you magic Rex actually just briefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► magic tricks was actually integrated into the main Twitter product like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► was absorbed into the main product as of late 2013 I think sometime into the if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► you don't have better if you've never heard of the account but you've gotten a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:16 ◼ ► notification that says Asian you know this person was just followed or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2056">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► know you should look at this to eat that's built off of that magic Rex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► experiment they sort of folded event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► but I of course still follow the account and I get the diem directly actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► like it that way better than a notification tip of the tip of the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► for those of you haven't tried it especially I would I think it's like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► getting a lot of people listen to show early me and don't really don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► even know what the main Twitter experiences like because we all used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► repot right or Twitter affect you know i i nothing like that would surface for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:52 ◼ ► if I weren't following the magic tricks account right exactly platform agnostic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2092">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► which is winters at its best but no decision to anyway speaking mad let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2097">TS</a>]
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00:37:34 ◼ ► on from Twitter so the problem that I did the bigger problem I see with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► Twitter or the immediate problem I see with Twitter is that their stock is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► freefall now maybe free falls a little dramatic but it's significantly down its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► down below I think it's still haven't checked since the last time I looked but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► it's now it's down below the IPO level which is dangerous dangerous meaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2273">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► that they are obviously the lower stock drops the more likely it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► it opened at 41 and it's currently at 27 right and I think so I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► market cap of around nineteen billion some 17.89 according to just four eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► so then add a little premium because you've got a premium so you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► somebody could probably acquire Twitter you know call it a hostile takeover for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► around 20 billion and it might that mean you know if this if the trend continues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► that number gets lower and lower and that's eventually it's going to reach a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► point where that's going to happen right at its inevitable if the stock keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► that somebody is going to buy them and I i asked on Twitter the other day who and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► the companies that popped to mind for me immediately Facebook Google Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► somebody else had a good one that I didn't think of Apple obviously could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2333">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► because they had the money I don't think Apple would so I would drop out from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► discussion immediately i dont the Apple would see any interest in on Twitter no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► I don't think so just doesn't want to just doesn't make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► break other than I had before and never made sense to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► one thought is that maybe this would be a good thing because if if somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► bought Twitter and left them alone and let them be Twitter than all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► pressures that are unreasonable are gone on the other hand a lot of times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► companies by smaller companies and rank them more often than not they do it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► when it doesn't happen like with vying for instance like Twitter but fine wines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► actually doing really well and i think is a super super cold and it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► different than when they bought it but still very need they didn't react but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► when that happens or all surprised and elated race I think the average company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2395">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► targets acquired is gonna get matched up in some way to fit the revenue and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► I'll look at the parent company from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► yeah and Vine is interesting I don't really use fine I should say I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► obviously know what it is but it it was news to me that that there are maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► there's not as many but in a way that there are professional youtubers there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► are professional find people you know people who were doing you know who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► buying accounts do have enough followers and it can charge enough for sponsored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► I know it sounds like lingo but it's you know it's not a bad term native content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► and other words you have a lot of fun followers and a sponsor page you to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► it six second fine for the you know featuring their product and you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► if you're good you know you and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► you have all these followers because your visor funny you make a funny line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► featuring coca-cola and everybody's happy right you're you're you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► it's that win-win-win virtuous cycle of you know I know native content again it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► sounds like some kind of weird business development term but when it works it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► really great because the video is just as funny as your other stuff you you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► acknowledge that you put it in a you know a hashtag on the comment that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► was sponsored so there's no you know you're not trying to hide it but your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► followers are happy because it's another funny video and the sponsors happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:33 ◼ ► because you know you know two million people who follow you are 500,000 people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2493">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► or whatever had their product in front of them right right absolutely and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► think that's that's the way that most voters are making any money if they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► currently Twitter actually bought a company called niche which it uses to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► sort of peres miners with brands for advertisement that it basically be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► created on buying posted online and then it gets used in an ad on Twitter vine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► has very little to do with that they actually are not involved in monetizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► any binders stuff at all they basically make the tools and diviners do the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► at least that's what the current the way currently works but twitter is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► definitely using some of that to their advantage there saying hey look we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► got this ad said and we've got a buying right like you can make a buying and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► tweet that out promote that and then people will watch it there to watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► on buying and you'll get the natural uplift of those you know millions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► followers of that particular viner and some of these fighters are bona fide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► celebrities I mean talking screaming teenage girls thousands in a conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► waiting to see them celebrities is or not by any means like flash in the pan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► weird little pigeonhole celebrities these are genuine as what we would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► in like the you know they had a llamar movie star fashion this is the modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► equivalent you know Brad Pitt is not Brad Pitt to twelve to fifteen year olds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► you know these designers are that's the Brad Pitt that's their their their idol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► today in the the great news is they're way more accessible than Brad Pitt was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► so they can generate much more buzz and theoretically earn a living at it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► and keep going down that path towards whatever their final goal is a celebrity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:21 ◼ ► have a link I will put it in the shona I've actually meant to post this daring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2601">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► fireball that I didn't finish the article and this is a good reminder to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► me to finish it after we do this but it's fascinating it's July 31 so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► just like a week old article from Vanity Fair by Richard Lawson and he went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► VidCon the IDC oh and in Anaheim which is like we're all of these YouTube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► Sandvine celebrities 200 of them are two hundred of them are considered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2636">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► millionaires that they're making over a million dollars a year I guess is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► their definition of millionaires but anyway lot of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► serious celebrity and this is where their fans got to meet them and it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► picture is just you know it looks like the modern-day equivalent of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► like when the Beatles came to America sixties no I mean it's no no yes I day I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► it's not just it's not just thousands of teenagers its thousands of teenagers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► you know they are you going to put it is so fun is the modern world and of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► they're all have iPhones everything it's rare to find a reader actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► doesn't use the camera quality know about the sense but you know the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► that this is where celebrities are today it's you know and and the advertisers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► are smart they're not going they're they're not behind people like me who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► rocketing towards old age are are old but the marketers are smart and more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► less so that's why you know a company like cocaine you think wow wow that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► pretty interesting that it established you know the you know coke is arguably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► like the establishment of the marketing and advertising world that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► already doing this well of course they are because like that you know they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► that if you want to reach teenagers and of course coca-cola wants to reach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► teenagers if they don't they're they're screwed what you don't do that on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► don't do that on TV and it's you know and that TV as the main place for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► an advertiser like Coke to reach teenagers spans generations plural I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► mean like by the time you and i were born that was already the case it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► already the case you know Don Draper dreamed up the like to sing the world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► coke before I was born right that's where I was born where where TV was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► primary thing for that so it's very very easy when when something like TV has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► been established as d medium to reach teenagers for you know entire lifetimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► of the people in the industry right now is very easy to to let that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► subtle in like summit but it's not i mean like my son my eleven-year-old son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:19 ◼ ► he doesn't he hardly watches any broadcast TV at all and on his own he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2779">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► watches not it's only like one where as a family and we decide to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► something that he is exposed to and I honestly I I don't think he understands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► the concept of a channel I really don't because it's even when we do I to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► broadcast TV it's all through the TiVo like I i've talked about I did I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► think he really understand the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► when you get cable TV you have you know here's your 80 channels to choose from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► and you know and you have to watch what you what you're watching when they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► it on the big things like the lack of on demand that the concept of my daughters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► could have no concept at all is even when we let her watch stuff on her iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► League easily meet with their if she wants to watch something will let her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► watch a movie and if she's watching a movie that movie I found it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► interesting movie freak but that movie is the temporal aspects of it are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► permeable to her in other words she just watches the bits that she wants to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► sometimes you watch it all the way through if we put it on the TV series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► like the Apple TV to put it on the TV show watch it beginning to end and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► shield she loves movies which I'm very happy about she's been asked me to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► Batman which I'm putting myself on the back about the TV Batman not some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► cartoon and she's three I probably shouldn't but let's just leave that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► parenting discussion but he that linearity of the movie she just jumps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► back and forth Rachel watch the bits that she wants to watch it there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► something scary should skip it if there's something that funny bit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2874">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► she wants to watch again she just drag your finger across the slider and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► comes back so it's it's not only the lack of channels on demand nature but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► also the linearity of it you know where we are we were used to watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► something that lasted an hour and we were happy about it at BHS rewind and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► watch it again or whatever but that is gone gone gone and find as a part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► that because it's six seconds and you build your own TV channel by following [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► the people that you want and by by telling it what you like and letting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► build a channel for you things like that and then that's your TV watching vying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► for 10 minutes right and you can get you watch somebody's creations watch a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► of these creations tied together and that's a quote unquote program that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► that's been built for you out of your tastes and so when it comes time to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► them oh no you're supposed to let somebody else determine what you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► were supposed to watch it supposed to like and you're supposed to let them do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► that for hours on end I just think that's going to be an incredibly tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:57 ◼ ► I'm yeah so tons of money enormous celebrity and it's all happening on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2937">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► YouTube by and I thought is very very interesting i mean clearly I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► mine is as big as YouTube you know in any sense even in like the literal sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► of how long the videos can be but it's the way that violent featured so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► prominently in in this story of these VidCon celebrities in the fan to follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► them really opened my eyes to the fact that Twitter has a real gem by owning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► them whether they figure out a way to make money from buying or not it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► reemphasize is my circling back to these hey if their stock keeps circling down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► somebody's gonna buy them because somebody is gonna see that this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► tremendous thing down right and and and will they then will they then keep the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► reasons why it is tremendous and and sort of improve it or will they screwed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► up I mean look at you know Facebook and Instagram there's one where I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/2994">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► Instagram really do Instagram is one of the few social things that I use really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► like it and when Facebook bought them my heart sunk as I thought this is why i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► guess i dont evn I don't use Facebook I really don't see the appeal of it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► don't like you know I don't like lots of things about it they're gonna record and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► if I didn't know that Facebook bought Instagram I as of today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► years down the road I have no it would have no idea they don't foresee any kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► of Facebook sign in its everyday everything every way that the that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► app in the platform have evolved since then have been all to me just purely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► Instagram me you know to make up an adjective it all feels true to what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► wanted to be right so I am a big fan of its too and I think a lot of it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:49 ◼ ► from the fact that that Mark Zuckerberg did leave Kevin system in charge and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3049">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► gave him you know sort of the ability to execute on the plans that he had already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► had with minimal fuss and I think they kevin's actually a pretty good thinker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► in terms of the stuff he cares if it's not it's not a situation where he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► trying to maximize the Hisar away from the user's at every turn instead it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► you know what's right and there's there are people that are able to do that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► there's very few people who are able to do that in the face of billions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► dollars worth of you know money and revenue and everything else right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► he's part of Facebook now but still has managed to carve out a very unique spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► for Instagram and keep it keep it good which is a great thing why the hell do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► you think they don't have a native iPad up focus i mean i think is about focused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► I think that they obviously they have all the engineering resources they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► ever won right so they could hire 50 engineers today to build a great need of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► iPad up and it would display our Instagram photos and everything so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► not that they don't have the resources I think it's a matter of focus in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► the Instagram works for a variety of reasons but one of the major reasons it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► works is actually because of the way it's basically structured await the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► the feed works you scroll one picture that time you look at one thing at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► time its goals by and I mean I'd used as I'm sure you haven't used a half dozen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► different iPad apps to browse Instagram and that's fine but the it does not bear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► any anywhere near as compelling you're sort of presented with a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► pictures that feel less valuable in a grid right whereas when you're scrolling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► down your Instagram p each one feels like it has merit and value and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► it sure you go by quickly cuz you're not interested but the ones you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► interested they they take up your whole screen they feel very front and center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► so will they do it probably but I can understand the reluctance you know I the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► way I would imagine doing it and I know that in general for most apps take your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3174">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► iPhone design and just blow it up to fit iPad screen is not a good design for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► I think Instagram is a rare case where it might be you know and and make it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► that you know i i maybe even just like the phone make it so that it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► doesn't rotate make it so that you have to hold the iPad vertically and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► scroll down and they fit in that way it just makes the photos bigger that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► right I wonder and I have no idea but I went on the other hand they just may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► the IRA's photos right I wonder if such crappy res for so long has stopped them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► and now they're up in preparation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► I thought that too maybe maybe it's just because you know that the resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► wasn't yet big enough to have to get ahead and they did that recently they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► increased the size what is the new size is it like a good question I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► a 10 20:48 bat 2488 something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► pretty big at least compared to where they were and it certainly big enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► make a fine JPEG that would actually be pixel for pixel on an iPad yeah which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:07 ◼ ► maybe maybe not be my only other thought is maybe they've tried it and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3247">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► doesn't feel right and I'm imagining that it would feel just great but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► it doesn't so maybe I don't know but at this point I mean if they hadn't tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► it I would be so whether or not obviously tried it so sorry but yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► there is going you know companies staying inside of the company's think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► that's a good example but as to what company's culture works for that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► know it's very few I mean you could visibly see Facebook buying them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► rate like that they have proven obviously that they have the ability to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► do that and in not take it as like a matter of pride that they have to fuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► with it as I think that sometimes it just comes down to that you think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► Silicon Valley super rational all the stuff but you know you go play smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► people human so you get those egos in there were like oh no I got my stamp on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► and they muck it up so you you could conceivably see Facebook as a company's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► Rd proven that you know Mark or whoever whatever p.m. is in charge of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► products doesn't have that ego driven approach and you can see hey maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► you know and they certainly have the money just a matter of whether or not if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► it's with their overall strategy but given that they've got it before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► whatsapp I would have probably had a far less inclination to say that they'd buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► it but now that they've but what's out by Stephanie actually more possibilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► to me the top tits if I had to bet it would be a bidding war between Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► and Google and Facebook to me it almost seems a little more likely cause maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► Google's a little gun shy now about social I don't know maybe total left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► they lost all direction on Google+ and I think vic I don't know why but left I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► not going to you know make assumptions that I don't know you know jack about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► but I do know that they have been planning to do that stuff that they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► with Google+ for like a year you know the spinning out of photos in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► removing it from a lot of their primary products and stuff like that we reported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► on that a year ago and people you know obviously got really mad at us and told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► us relying came out in droves but it was told the doctor what we reported they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► were planning on doing and it's the right it was the right move because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► felt intrusive it wasn't working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► it wasn't providing them any social uplift on usage of their products and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► actually did do what it needed to do which is create a single sign-on service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► that allows them to get more users using Google products in it specially search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3414">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► because not only can they provide them a better experience through Google now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► which is fantastic but they can also of course the more accurate ads and gather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► more data on them whether you feel great about that or not is up to you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► that's the that was the thought process and that worked as far as the social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► stuff that was like six brainchild so I think when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► and whether it was causation correlation I don't know you know what caused what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► but when he left that stopped you know that was done as of that moment so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► don't think that he was still there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► turned off by it because it should cost them a bunch of money but they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► bunch of money and it's it's worth it was it was worth it I mean if there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:44 ◼ ► way to calculate it but if I'm sure somebody Google is done the math and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3464">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► said well we got you know eight hundred million more signed in users or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► over the course of a year or two years and that's totally worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► way upsets the money that we spend I don't know somebody that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► probably done some math but aside from all the math aspect I think that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► didn't see that as like their bid to combat Facebook and that's that's where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► you get in these arguments about people that know they're trying to be Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► and i'd never ever thought it was about that I don't think anybody was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► really smart but it was about them beating Facebook or whatever the case it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► sort of was about other people owning the social channel and all the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► involved right and so they didn't want to be left out of the cold on that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► think that if you look at it that way then you could say oh well they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► try again with a different thing like Twitter may be right and you know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► they get all the data that they need from Twitter without having to actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► tell anybody oh you gotta log into Google right and i think that if you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► back to Twitter being a real-time component of the web then it becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► much more clear why they might want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► vs oh it's their new social initiative instead it's so it's a pillar of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► internet and Google searches another pillar so if such as one pillar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► real-time is another pillar you don't then they've got into out of whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► however many animal now but there are several things that sort of have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► exist for the web to exist and obviously searching indexing is one of them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► Google's got that and it's real time as another one they see this as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► opportunity grab that that's why I think to buy it now for social necessarily you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► no agreed and I you know I think it makes total sense for example and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► don't think it was rushed I think it's so polished and it makes so much sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► but just the way that they've spawned Google photos into a standalone product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► it it just makes sense in it it it is good for people who worry you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► the Google ecosystem here you sign up for this thing and you know you install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► this app maybe if you're on an Android phone you do you happen sorry there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:59 ◼ ► you sign in with your Google account and now all of your photos are in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3599">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► in this one thing here's where they all are enter on all your devices and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► gonna do these compelling a I dunno recognition things on the content of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► photos and and and that more or less the end of the story right and then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► search for them and you can say you can you know they've got these cool features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► are you can search for things like you know winter and it will find fractures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► or is it something you know sounds almost too good to be true and it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► you know a lot of people in it seems to work really well in reality and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► the end of the story with that makes sense to offer you know regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► that just right you know it's a value proposition is clear and just was never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► the case when the photos were wrapped up in Google+ it always seemed like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► a little bit like facebook in a little bit like a photo library a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► you know and and a little bit of this and a little bit of that and trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► be more than one thing as opposed to hear Google photos all of your photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► it's just like Gmail gmail is to your email here's the thing that's like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► to your photo library where it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► anyway speaking of photos let me take a break here in thank our our second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3674">TS</a>]
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01:01:25 ◼ ► digital photos fracture is all about taking photos and making them analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► right you take your photos and memories they're trapped somewhere way down in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► their Instagram feed or they're in your iCloud photo library or Google photos or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► whatever and all you ever do is see them on your phone or on your tablet or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► something like that you see them on these screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► boy it's really nice to have your photos in a real-world hanging on your wall put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► them up you know going up the steps put on the shelf in your office desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► somewhere where their tangible and analog with your photos that mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► most here what fractured does if you listen to the show regular you heard me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► talk about it before they take your photos and they print them directly on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► glass piece of paper stuck to class I don't know they've got some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► magic process where they take class and that's what the actual images printed on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► it is a very very compelling physical artifact it is really really great I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:31 ◼ ► don't know what to say cuz they keep sponsoring a show here's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3751">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► they've they've written me they keep my turn to show people keep going there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► following my advice doing this and buying fractures and then they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► buying more like you might think how come every single week I listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► fracture is sponsoring the show I worry that it gets repetitive but here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► thing people keep buying these photos and I can't say enough good things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► mean it sincerely from the even if they said you know what we love you you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► know you've brought so many great customers but you know we're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:00 ◼ ► to sponsor the show for a lot I would still recommend fracture to anybody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3780">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► wants to get photos printed you want to get your photos printed it it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3784">TS</a>]
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01:03:13 ◼ ► little you know I don't like three by three or four by four all the way up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► really really big big pieces of glass go to their website is fracture me.com and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► the code is daring fireball and that's good for 15% off your first order and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► the prices are already great so you're saving money on what's already agreed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:44 ◼ ► also go to fracture me.com and remember the code during fireball if you haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3824">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► yet go print out a couple of your photos from your vacation or whatever you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► done this summer I thanks to take photographs taken want it to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3832">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► professional attire for what do you think I knew there was a loaded question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► here's where I'm going with that I'm going to parlay from from the fracture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► thing to talking about the photos out from that which i'm sort of formulating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► my opinion on I'm a very slow thinker in general I don't know if you've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► noticed a deliberate let's see let's say you're deliberate and I i four years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► used Lightroom and I actually still have you know all of those years my my photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► library from those years is all in Lightroom but you kind of force myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► to give photos a really good try I don't have Lightroom installed on my right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3893">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► I'm back yet I'm going I'm actually about it at some point this summer I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► going to break down and go back to my room at least just have my library there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► a Twitter conversation I had with doctor wave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► from Pixar yea yea michael johnson who is easy music he's a better photographer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► than I am but similar to me we're we're we're we're not you know we're not pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► he's he's you know he does software Pixar but we actually even have the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► camera and we have a similar liking for fast prime lenses and you know we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► shoot the same way which is the way you get a couple of good photos is if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► going to take a nice camera to shoot lots and lots and lots and lots and lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► and lots of photos and then you import them and you find you know you grow up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3954">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► you literally just throw most of them away finding any old days we used to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► film is cheap but in the longer plays explains even more now but right and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► you watch if you watch what I've talked about this couple weeks ago where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► it's like I really I cannot wait for professional photographers to switch to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► mirrorless cameras because I find it so annoying at like news event sports or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► like president of you know president out of state is making a statement or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► something like that and you hear the professional photographers thats this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:31 ◼ ► machine gun like like like like like just shooting you know whatever however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3991">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► fast the cameras can go per second which is getting to be extraordinarily fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► 10 12 shots per second nonstop to get what one photo to a company news story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► but that's what you do because digital's cheap anyway to me like room has all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:54 ◼ ► sorts of features that are meant to support that sort of workflow where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4014">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► can just go through and just forget the key if its acts or whatever but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► don't have a modifier you just keep going higher and you can just mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► photos for deletion and it doesn't sound up bracket i think is the default but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► dont member with the kind of to look it up but more or less than my workflow and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► maybe there's other ways to do it is you go import let's say three hundred photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► and you just start going through them and you know you find my first cut is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► just throw out the ones I don't wanna bother with and I just go through with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► arrow keys to go you know through the photos and one key to just marked for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► deletion and it doesn't even delete them it just like a special flag like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► want to delete the Senate Dems out the photo but that way you're not waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► for the disc to do anything it's just like a little you know one little piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► of medidata database and you can go really really fast and Lightroom I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► tax rate it makes it as easy Tiger Xing out the photos and it's it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4076">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► real-world version of your big stack of photos and you just start flipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► through and you put them into columns keepers and you know here's the trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► can you literally used to do that with a context she just X out the ones who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► didn't want to bother looking at it exactly right that would be the old way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► would be the contact sheet yet and it's you know if you've ever watched you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► are you probably did it since you were shooting film and you were actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► pro like a grease pencil and just literally X amount bottom line for me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► the problem with photos is there's no way to do that it's it's photos to me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► funded this is the inside I've come to is that fund photos is fundamentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► built around a much more consumer minded mindset which is that most of the photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:49 ◼ ► you take you want to keep and you know whether that based on coming from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4129">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► phone world you know where you don't even know you can do burst mode and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4134">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► know I'm sorry but if you look at like my daughters iPod she's got a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► and fifty thousand sophie's on it and I don't think that's ever gonna change in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► a mean that the selfish thing for sure is something where people take a ton of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► photos before they find one that they'd like to see my wife do it you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► she's not even a huge silvery takers super into that but every once awhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► she likes to send it to a friends like shit makeup on this new thing and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► takes a ton and then picks one right but she still takes that ton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► so yeah I think that it's not just pros I think a lot of people I think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► they're thinking is that is people taking one precious photo and being done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► at the wrong phone shoot so fast but now you know they used to just like Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► getting one out of them was a chore but now it's like bbm pin as you as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► mentioned with the person everything yeah and it just doesn't support that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► feel like any other thing too as I kind of feel like they should not just should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► support it because I want to use it but they should support it because I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► like my honest opinion it's a good thing to encourage people to do to take lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► of photos to try you know and that that's how you get one or two that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► really good don't try to if you want to get like two really good photos from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:23 ◼ ► your kid's birthday party don't don't sit there and try to aim up one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4223">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► good ones take 60 70 80 pictures and then go look through them on a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► screen as you can get and see which ones actually came out good and I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► the apt just does not support that I am wondering is that there's no way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► this is on a new iMac so it is I wouldn't call it slow and I don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► huge library of 20,000 photos in there so I wouldn't call it slow and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► it imported my old iPhoto library fine but it's it's not that fast and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4254">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► always seems to do the wrong thing when I delete like actually just have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► delete a photo to delete it and just hitting the delete key doesn't work has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► that brings up a warning dialog you sure you want to delete it safe to come and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► it isn't too bad its command delete isn't too bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► which is immediate you know it's it's not about the delete key is that bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► up a dialog every time is that it it doesn't it doesn't wipe it off the desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► it moves it to a trash can type then you could get back or you can do I do if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► but even then it it often goes to the wrong photo it doesn't go to the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► photo goes to the one I looked at before and it doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► I could be wrong here but maybe I just wanna go the wrong way maybe I'm always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► trying to go there and it always want you to go forward in time and i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► go backwards you know from the most recent 2 the least recent I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► but when you're in that mode and you just wanted fly through hundred pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4314">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► it's annoying if you keep having to hit three or four keys and our oh and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► back to back to back you know over and over and over again right right yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► do not think it is built for that kind of anything at all and there's a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► possibilities one possibility could be that we are wrong and that the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► supports effective people take a few photos at a time right so it if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► at they're like oh well you know you guys don't know what we know and what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► know is that data on millions and millions of users says that these this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► is the way people shoot and we serviced that with this product and that you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► are the outliers and you need to use like right that's one possibility the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► second possibility is that there is a disconnect between the team that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► building photos and the teams that built the professional photo products in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► past so either from what I understand it's not like they took the the aperture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► team and had been built photos like those people scattered everywhere and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► and our building other things for better for worse you know so if you're if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► took the institution knowledge of the people building you know aperture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► brought it in and they they could then tell you a man you know if you're if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► want people to use this as a sort of core tool you're going to need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► support people blasting through a bunch of pictures and editing them then maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► that would have been built differently but I don't know if that institutional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► knowledge was there is another possibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► well what i've what I heard and I could be wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:40 ◼ ► well I i'm not wrong I could be wrong just in a matter of degree is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4420">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► what what's now called photos from Accra just photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► started life internally as I photo acts you know it was definitely not just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► next version of iPhoto wasn't just a bump the integer it was you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4436">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► they've had these other products get an axe or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► like with iMovie like with a kind of radically redid the concept of it it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► a radical rewrite it was a rewrite but it was a rewrite of iPhoto come you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► definite was even by name and it changed after you know from where that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► started it did change where they'd strategically said you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► that's the iPhoto is the wrong way to go what we really want to do is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► have this unified photo platform across iOS and Mac and so we should we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► just do you know followed the lead of iOS and just call it photos and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► design changed at that point to clearly because it's it's clearly a sibling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► the to the iOS Photos app right but I still think though that that shows in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► its roots you know cause to me that was the problem I mean years ago why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► didn't use iPhoto and taught myself to use Lightroom instead was that I photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► to me was never ever good for people who shot a lot of you know shot away I shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► yeah I lightroom is my boy like I love Lightroom or my girl that but I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► really like it needs the easiest best tool that has come along for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► photographers in generations and you know these days there's lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► arguments about getting stale and all this stuff but I still think it's it got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► exactly the right things right which is you you need to deal with complex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► adjustments in a way that allows you granularity of control you know you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► to eat be able to blast through into an initial pass and then you need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► able to to kind of diddle downing and drill down into my new testaments even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► jump out to Photoshop if you really need to and then jump back and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:46 ◼ ► that was incredibly smart billed for Adobe and and really really well done by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4546">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► them I just think it hasn't been matched by any other tools including aperture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► since it came out and I know there's devotees of either side but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4555">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► you know people that loved effort anyway so i think is really really a great tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► and I think that's it just may be the case that 80% use cases are never going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► to be that way and and photos is always going to act and work that way and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► just don't have the data to understand that that's what people want but I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► agree with you that is just not great for Lee going through a bunch of photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:26 ◼ ► at once I rarely rarely ever use it for anything beyond opening it up finding a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4586">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► photo and sharing like that's the way I treat it like a I'm able to search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► through photos by you know day tour group events and and share them with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► family members that sort of thing if I'm going to do any sort of editing open in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► Lightroom so I'm I haven't done the thought experiment of trying to force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/4603">TS</a>]
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01:29:41 ◼ ► API's and truly open anything that can integrate with us you don't have to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► work out of business development deal or something like that you know we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► gonna cut you off like you know like with the Twitter API where there's these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► keys and you can get cut off based on the whims of the day it's all just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5394">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► anyway you can figure out a way to integrate your product with them you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► do it which to me is is really cool and we don't see enough of that anymore now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► I mean they're they're the spiritual successor to Yahoo Pipes which was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► yeah I love ya pipes to shame that day because it was a very new feature to its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► a shame that they are not surprised that they got rid of it but it's yeah shock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► tamale go why you know the stock up on her that it doesn't exist anymore you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► know what else what else is in the news I saw there is a thing last week where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► the San Jose Business Journal reported that Apple bought an enormous piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► land I guess it's about as big as the campus that they're building somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► like undeveloped land outside San Jose I'm sure yet about a big chunk of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► property and nobody really has any idea what they're going to do with it right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5454">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► mean that's but that's the thing it's like it is news in it is interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► that they bought an enormous piece of land but then you know they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:10 ◼ ► not saying what they're going to do it and so everybody is just left to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5470">TS</a>]
01:31:14 ◼ ► speculate which is great because this is what we do our professional speculate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5474">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► that exactly it is almost better when you can just speculate when you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► that literally only four people even know what they're gonna build on it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► know who knows me knows you know like a couple of the people know but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► that's it you know because then you're free to just say hey wonder what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► could do you're not actually tied down to going well its report this out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► because you know somebody knows there's a chain yeah I mean fifteen like fifteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► thousand workers or whatever there is what they're estimating I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► they could hold it there is in the RD bada 290,000 square foot building in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► North sent as a as well and I guess is like the first officer since the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:00 ◼ ► eighties so investing and it is interesting to me they're they're buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5520">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► car factory sized yeah I miss it interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► just exactly where I I do wonder though I mean it's like if they don't build any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► of the computer no I guess they do build up the Mac Pros but that the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► building the macros in the us- thing that you don't haven't heard much about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► that recently and the phones of course are still all assembled in China I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► imagine that means that they would realize that shipping a phone from China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► to USA is very different than shipping a car from China to the USA might send it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► means that they would make cars in China but I don't know the factory it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► interesting that it is roughly the Rapinoe it would fit a factory and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► are cars made in the USA mean that's the difference you know you know there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► lot of cars made new s so it's possible it's you know for sure is interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► and what's the square foot so it's I thought three acres and I wonder what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► square footage that rosa because the the Tesla the Tesla factories 5.3 million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► I don't know what this forty three acre piece of land translates into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► but sadly it seems to be operative size but I am getting into trouble here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► seventeen the math but regardless just has a factory in Fremont [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► you know the story behind that how they got their factory no I don't think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► said they there was the factory there that was owned by jim and Toyoda and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► was like in 1984 the Chilean and jim got together this was like right post the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► whole japanese cars what is realizing Toyota was actually ahead of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► American manufacturing and they said they got together and they created this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► thing called new me which is I don't know what it stands for like asthma the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► acronym because it's funny it is the United Motor something but basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► they got together and created this new me partnership where they worked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:19 ◼ ► advanced tech in there together that they would share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5659">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► you know whether that's tough because in the dasher drivetrain or whatever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► don't know but there's a partnership that existed for years until 2009 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► right when the partnership is dissolving and they were looking to sell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► factory tested was likely running out of money and didn't have enough to buy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► build their own but just headed up money and was able to raise enough money to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► buy this factory and and I think GMA actually took a stake if I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► correctly interest to you it a camera which basically they were able to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► this pact factory per pennies pennies on the dollar is normally required billions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5694">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► to buy you know but Apple certainly doesn't have that problem you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:04 ◼ ► have billions they could definitely buy buy their own factory but it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5704">TS</a>]
01:35:07 ◼ ► interesting list was able to stop this thing up and renovate it and make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5707">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► their own now they've done several operates all you know pristine wait all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► kinds of robotics stuff inside it's very very impressive but II you one wonders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► what one could do with unlimited funds right in not having to just scoop up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► something that already existed on the fly his death has done a pretty decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► job of turning out cars from that when nobody thought they ever could also be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► interesting to see what somebody could built from the ground up and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► essentially unlimited money big picture and there's a you know it's one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► where there's smoke there's fire things I mean Apple's made a higher they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:44 ◼ ► hired people from the auto industry it's you know and some sense it seems crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► its like commanders everybody gonna make cars I mean you know it is but on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► other hand it to me it kinda makes sense and to me it it now at the idea about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5753">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► getting into making cars and you know there's this big leak of their did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► know that they've had high-level discussions with BMW about a partnership [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► maybe you know clearly there is looking into it I mean you can almost at that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► a fact I mean I and the only way that is not a fact that they're at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► thinking about making cars would mean that an awful lot of reporting is has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► been fabricated so let's get there at least looking into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:24 ◼ ► I think it's definitely safe to say they're looking at cars government space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5784">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► and they're not going to get in the car play and not think about the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► I think it did you know at a very high level it just makes intuitive sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► because cars cost a lot of money and they involve day and can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► differentiated and succeed because of design and they're going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► increasingly computerized in various ways not just like what you know having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► a touch screen on the dash but you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5816">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► self-driving and stuff like that and crash detection and you know trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► make cars that whether their self driving or entirely or partially or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:07 ◼ ► something like that but you know we're gonna head within our lifetimes were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5827">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► gonna get to a point where cars can't crash and or at least the it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► exceedingly rare you know that is very very difficult to do try to get up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:24 ◼ ► like airline level of safety as opposed to you know it truly I mean if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5844">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► really I think you know and then we'll quickly look back on and like the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► of people who die every year now in car accidents and we're gonna it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► look barbaric I really do think that's coming I did you know there's a there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► be designed counts see they can be cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► therefore I why wouldn't Apple wanna make it really i mean aren't those the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► exact arguments behind why they got into making watches people spend a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► design counts and we think watches or call therefore we're gonna make what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5877">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► yeah yeah I think so I think I think you're right in the thought processes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► can we differentiate right can we make money and I think that a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:12 ◼ ► run aground against that when they're thinking about what Apple will or won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► do or may or may not do and they run aground against this argument like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:19 ◼ ► well can they make a bunch of money at it and that's not necessarily the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5899">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► argument when I think it's obviously part of it and you know ever foreseeable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► going into a business where they can't sustain it on its own merit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► or as a support structure for another business which is awake and iTunes work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► for many years until it started making a lot of money but I think that it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► highly unlikely that they're ever going to go into a space where they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► differentiate themselves strongly and that differentiation doesn't lead to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► what they perceive anyway let's just stateside Stephanie arguments but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► they perceived to be consumed benefit benefit for people that are buying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► and I think cars right cards right for that because I mean I love I love of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5936">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► cars and I grew up in a building cars my dad loved them and all forms from old to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:07 ◼ ► new and you know this side of that side of the world but most of them most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5947">TS</a>]
01:39:13 ◼ ► them are crap their crap like you I said it I go I don't want to mention brownies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5953">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► to some people get offended but like you crawl into a good midsize sedan and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► just look at the finish makes my skin it like that the door panels you touch them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► in the plastic you feel like the fingertip feel on the steering wheel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:37 ◼ ► just makes me of break on a rash most of the time and so I just think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5977">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► there's so many I mean can you imagine Jony ive waxing rhapsodic about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► letter rapping on the steering wheel I could you know I just think that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► plenty of opportunity there for them to offer a cut above at a price that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► reasonable for what you're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► like safety innovations design innovations technology and electronics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:02 ◼ ► innovations that set them apart from the pack offer user benefit and allowed them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6002">TS</a>]
01:40:06 ◼ ► to differentiate its like a no-brainer that they could do something there right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6006">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► and the industry is heading towards some sort of inflection point where new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► technologies are finally I hate to use the word finally but finally you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► taking over from internal combustion engine and I haven't I've actually never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► been in a Tesla Model S I do love I love the way they look and you know but I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► never been in one but somebody mentioned the other day that doesn't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► because it doesn't have a transmission it doesn't have the transmission home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► right and I had never occurred to me that a car couldn't wouldn't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► every car I've ever been in this had the transmission of its I've never lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► space you know what you mean that there's no of course you know but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:59 ◼ ► crazy to me but it's just one small thing of like hey look we can rethink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6059">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► lot of things you know with new technology and we're headed there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:07 ◼ ► kind of exciting thing is is that making cars is physically it takes a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6067">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► space so I i really do hate it I just a guess I don't know anything about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► real estate transaction if I had to bet though boy I have to think it's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► the car development thing just because I think you need so much space you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:27 ◼ ► that it and maybe you'd wanna have them off on their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6087">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► you know campus yeah I mean the problem with the divining rod stuff about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► car in about any other projects that they probably have half a dozen really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► far-out project projects that would blow up in headlines going on right now they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:47 ◼ ► literally are just like I don't know let's try this right and they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6107">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► several people on it and they give us some resources and they play with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► until they see it something interesting comes a bit and I think that's just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:57 ◼ ► value of having their structure their cellular structure the way that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6117">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► they develop products and experiment with different lines of thought so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:07 ◼ ► watch interface came out of that and you know that obviously multi-touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6127">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► everybody knows by now the multi-touch came out of that essentially a side bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6131">TS</a>]
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01:55:13 ◼ ► have sixty billion dollars in the bank if we need to do some salaries here in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:18 ◼ ► there no I mean I think it's more interesting in light of like kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6918">TS</a>]
01:55:22 ◼ ► overall and I have had drew Olanoff who hired him back to work at TechCrunch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6922">TS</a>]
01:55:31 ◼ ► electric with you are used to work with him at the next level as well but Drew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6931">TS</a>]
01:55:34 ◼ ► has spent some time in columns he was actually in with startups managing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6934">TS</a>]
01:55:40 ◼ ► community in doing comments before he was ever a writer and then come back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6940">TS</a>]
01:55:44 ◼ ► it for a while where to Yahoo for a while and handle comes over there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6944">TS</a>]
01:55:49 ◼ ► recently at a couple startups and stuff like that but just really had a desire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6949">TS</a>]
01:55:53 ◼ ► to write again and I'm really happy about that cuz I was able to work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6953">TS</a>]
01:55:56 ◼ ► him again he's actually got a great mind and things about this upgrade and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6956">TS</a>]
01:56:00 ◼ ► because of his work there he's got good perspective so I honestly think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6960">TS</a>]
01:56:04 ◼ ► that experience on both sides of the line makes you more SATA more savvy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6964">TS</a>]
01:56:09 ◼ ► reporter makes you understand what companies are saying when they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6969">TS</a>]
01:56:14 ◼ ► certain things when they're yes I knew you know it's your BS detector is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6974">TS</a>]
01:56:19 ◼ ► better I think in general but I don't think that it's it's one of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6979">TS</a>]
01:56:23 ◼ ► that it's impossible to be honest or or your job if you're if there's ever a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6983">TS</a>]
01:56:30 ◼ ► possibility of you crossing that line back and forth to think that assumes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6990">TS</a>]
01:56:34 ◼ ► people are at AMA tante yeah and there's no editorial direction and no editor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6994">TS</a>]
01:56:39 ◼ ► going like he should we be pushing harder on this you know it's just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/6999">TS</a>]
01:56:43 ◼ ► know nobody's paying attention said that there's lots of implications there if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7003">TS</a>]
01:56:46 ◼ ► you're if you're saying that's you know this can never happen that you're part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7006">TS</a>]
01:56:51 ◼ ► of a tribe and that you've somehow betrayed your tribe by switching to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7011">TS</a>]
01:56:54 ◼ ► other side i mean i think thats not since I mean it's not really at the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7014">TS</a>]
01:56:57 ◼ ► I mean Steve Dowling got apple from I believe directly they key was the CNBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7017">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► Silicon Valley correspondent so he went right from you know reporting on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:12 ◼ ► companies like Apple TV to you know being now is the head of PR and I dunno [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7032">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► can't help but think that maybe there's a little even know a lot of the hires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:23 ◼ ► that they've had it not been for PR and supposedly as reported by Mark Harmon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7043">TS</a>]
01:57:30 ◼ ► you know but it wouldn't surprise me that under Stalin's leadership that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7050">TS</a>]
01:57:36 ◼ ► might go more in that direction just because that's how he got there well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7056">TS</a>]
01:57:40 ◼ ► remember too that if you look at Marks report he reported later on that Josh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7060">TS</a>]
01:57:45 ◼ ► Lowensohn was also on the Apple be that's you know he also was hired right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7065">TS</a>]
01:57:51 ◼ ► around the same time tara was hired it looks like from the report and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7071">TS</a>]
01:57:55 ◼ ► anything about that but it it seems like you could be right in that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7075">TS</a>]
01:57:59 ◼ ► street fair of that I obviously as somebody in this industry works without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7079">TS</a>]
01:58:04 ◼ ► other reporters you know and and pays attention to the company it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7084">TS</a>]
01:58:09 ◼ ► really obvious to me that they've been snapping up our reporters as I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7089">TS</a>]
01:58:12 ◼ ► you know i mean they hired by Chris Breen and you know they heard an on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7092">TS</a>]
01:58:18 ◼ ► Brian from an intact and not all of those as you mentioned that been for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7098">TS</a>]
01:58:22 ◼ ► common position right supposedly they have been raping and pillaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7102">TS</a>]
01:58:28 ◼ ► you know I don't like that term by using it but you know in the making sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7108">TS</a>]
01:58:33 ◼ ► they've been pillaging the media village you know you know and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7113">TS</a>]
01:58:36 ◼ ► that's it's evident that that's what they're doing whether that's like steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7116">TS</a>]
01:58:40 ◼ ► is like hey these guys are the people we need to get what I don't know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7120">TS</a>]
01:58:44 ◼ ► yeah and I know John staff from Akron this is also in government story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7124">TS</a>]
01:58:49 ◼ ► yesterday he's not working PR he's working Apple University and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7129">TS</a>]
01:58:55 ◼ ► one that wasn't mentioned it really immediate hire but it sort of is it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7135">TS</a>]
01:58:59 ◼ ► I feel like he's just like so many people when they go to Apple he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7139">TS</a>]
01:59:04 ◼ ► outside their walls he's gone very quiet is Michael Gartenberg alright I was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7144">TS</a>]
01:59:12 ◼ ► the analysts and was the rare gem of an Apple analyst who was really smart and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7152">TS</a>]
01:59:19 ◼ ► insightful and wrote very clearly in normal you know straightforward language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7159">TS</a>]
01:59:26 ◼ ► and so yeah of course that's why they hired him because he was the good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7166">TS</a>]
01:59:32 ◼ ► is the shooting themselves in the foot because there's nothing anybody left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7172">TS</a>]
01:59:35 ◼ ► outside who understand their business and can be moderated about the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7175">TS</a>]
01:59:41 ◼ ► the report on ya garden garden Gartenberg doesn't work in PR he is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7181">TS</a>]
01:59:47 ◼ ► Schiller's group but doing what I i dont know so he's you know somewhere in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7187">TS</a>]
01:59:52 ◼ ► product marketing which is it makes sense that they would be most people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7192">TS</a>]
01:59:56 ◼ ► that understand their business and have a an insight right but they can tap into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7196">TS</a>]
02:00:00 ◼ ► internally it just seems funny to me because it's like if you hire all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7200">TS</a>]
02:00:06 ◼ ► reporters that are able to write about you without being history on a course to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7206">TS</a>]
02:00:10 ◼ ► fit all you're left with is a bunch of flag-waving crazies who are happy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7210">TS</a>]
02:00:20 ◼ ► drop all over you and whatever reason Apple's closed mouth attitudes have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7220">TS</a>]
02:00:28 ◼ ► exacerbated that problem whatever the case maybe they you know there's you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7228">TS</a>]
02:00:34 ◼ ► definitely removing pieces from the board that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7234">TS</a>]
02:00:38 ◼ ► could be not advocates cuz that's not their job and hopefully it's not their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7238">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► job but could report on it with intelligence in with moderation and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7242">TS</a>]
02:00:46 ◼ ► they have criticisms they are they are based in contextual understanding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7246">TS</a>]
02:00:52 ◼ ► not the way that you make it work through intellectual dishonesty you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7252">TS</a>]
02:00:56 ◼ ► when you're reporting so I think that there's something I don't know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7256">TS</a>]
02:01:00 ◼ ► some people are like a they're smart they need to go there and then Mike you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7260">TS</a>]
02:01:04 ◼ ► know on the other side I say well if they're smart and you snap the ball up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7264">TS</a>]
02:01:08 ◼ ► and all that's left is the dummies but not calling myself a damning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7268">TS</a>]
02:01:14 ◼ ► eventually eventually I know another good one who left after Apple though was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7274">TS</a>]
02:01:19 ◼ ► Ellis hamburger who left the verge for snapshot I I guess he's I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7279">TS</a>]
02:01:24 ◼ ► what he's do I guess he's running PR firm or something but yeah there now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7284">TS</a>]
02:01:28 ◼ ► it's exactly what he's doing but yeah he did leave I mean obviously saw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7288">TS</a>]
02:01:34 ◼ ► possibilities in the end understood what they were kind of after a little sooner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7294">TS</a>]
02:01:37 ◼ ► than a lot of people I think I was I was nodding along with other stuff he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7297">TS</a>]
02:01:41 ◼ ► writing about them and they probably were too so I think that's probably why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7301">TS</a>]
02:01:45 ◼ ► they stopped him up but yeah it's definitely a trend a wider trend you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7305">TS</a>]
02:01:50 ◼ ► know and it's you know again like you said and you're you know in the hot seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7310">TS</a>]
02:01:55 ◼ ► for it running techCrunch's that it's it's it's one thing for you to be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7315">TS</a>]
02:02:00 ◼ ► know if you're pursuing someone who uses a good writer it one thing when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7320">TS</a>]
02:02:05 ◼ ► competing against other publications with you know roughly in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7325">TS</a>]
02:02:10 ◼ ► business at another when you're competing startups like snapshot that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7330">TS</a>]
02:02:15 ◼ ► have raised millions and millions of dollars or companies like Apple that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7335">TS</a>]
02:02:19 ◼ ► while we're sitting here talking about it has made tens of millions of dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7339">TS</a>]
02:02:23 ◼ ► even more money than we'll ever make an entire land right while we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7343">TS</a>]
02:02:29 ◼ ► right exactly it is hard it is hard in you know when we look for an obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7349">TS</a>]
02:02:34 ◼ ► every publication has their own sort of desires at once and and you'll have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7354">TS</a>]
02:02:39 ◼ ► different desires and once for each position that we hire for but we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7359">TS</a>]
02:02:43 ◼ ► generally higher reporters for a very specific reason and that's like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7363">TS</a>]
02:02:46 ◼ ► outspoken there they understand what they what they think they understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7366">TS</a>]
02:02:50 ◼ ► their space is extremely well and they want to express them separately in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7370">TS</a>]
02:02:55 ◼ ► that says this is what I think and thats doesn't that's not the way a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7375">TS</a>]
02:02:59 ◼ ► other publications work you know they hide behind a lot of editorial layers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7379">TS</a>]
02:03:02 ◼ ► everything is leached out by the time you read it and see you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7382">TS</a>]
02:03:05 ◼ ► really whether this is the way this is what the weather's thought process was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7385">TS</a>]
02:03:09 ◼ ► at all you know and because we worked that way it actually lends itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7389">TS</a>]
02:03:14 ◼ ► towards people like apple or a startup or VC firm or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7394">TS</a>]
02:03:20 ◼ ► understanding the way that person's brain works more than Wall Street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7400">TS</a>]
02:03:24 ◼ ► Journal right right so I think we are higher target for poaching in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7404">TS</a>]
02:03:29 ◼ ► regard which you don't people get angry about it and the they do they do talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7409">TS</a>]
02:03:35 ◼ ► us and get get a little bit they throw a lot of shade let's put it that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7415">TS</a>]
02:03:40 ◼ ► because people that work at TechCrunch maybe go to work at a company after they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7420">TS</a>]
02:03:45 ◼ ► worked here for me like I said I don't begrudge anybody the ability to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7425">TS</a>]
02:03:50 ◼ ► something new and in the second aspect of it is I view it as a compliment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7430">TS</a>]
02:03:54 ◼ ► because they don't go work for other media organizations because I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7434">TS</a>]
02:03:58 ◼ ► they find work here as a lot of freedom they have a lot of flexibility they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7438">TS</a>]
02:04:03 ◼ ► space to to create what they want to create and then they go soviet they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7443">TS</a>]
02:04:09 ◼ ► somewhere else it's like walking back into a cage in shutting the door behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7449">TS</a>]
02:04:12 ◼ ► you you know I i mean that sincerely not just because you know you're here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7452">TS</a>]
02:04:16 ◼ ► smoke up your ass but TechCrunch is and always has been you know right from when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7456">TS</a>]
02:04:21 ◼ ► it started as my parents say just you know his own personal site but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7461">TS</a>]
02:04:27 ◼ ► always been a site where the bylines mattered in terms of the writer has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7467">TS</a>]
02:04:31 ◼ ► voice you know and I C you know like I noticed I noticed that drew came back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7471">TS</a>]
02:04:37 ◼ ► I know his name because he's got a voice and you know I started seeing by drew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7477">TS</a>]
02:04:43 ◼ ► Olanoff again on TechCrunch and Iraq but I noticed that there are a lot of sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7483">TS</a>]
02:04:49 ◼ ► where the bylines don't matter not in terms of credit but where you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7489">TS</a>]
02:04:53 ◼ ► you just don't you don't there is no voice from the writer there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7493">TS</a>]
02:04:58 ◼ ► personality and it's just like a write-in Eric well watered down house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7498">TS</a>]
02:05:03 ◼ ► style rights right exactly and I think that there there is plenty of room for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7503">TS</a>]
02:05:09 ◼ ► that especially when it comes to censor the reporting i mean obviously I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7509">TS</a>]
02:05:13 ◼ ► gonna have a writer come out what the bombastic teak on something that's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7513">TS</a>]
02:05:17 ◼ ► sensitive like a founder who has committed suicide for instance right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7517">TS</a>]
02:05:22 ◼ ► had happened very very sadly 00 couple of times over the past couple years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7522">TS</a>]
02:05:26 ◼ ► saddam is not a situation where you're going to do that but by and large the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7526">TS</a>]
02:05:31 ◼ ► large majority of tech coverage is very is is one of two things it's either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7531">TS</a>]
02:05:36 ◼ ► incredibly over the top and and intellectually dishonest where somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7536">TS</a>]
02:05:43 ◼ ► doctor yesterday published an obituary fried eggs good I like I don't begrudge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7543">TS</a>]
02:05:52 ◼ ► angle but I just find it really hard to then take them seriously and so then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7552">TS</a>]
02:05:58 ◼ ► either that or it is the very dry distant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7558">TS</a>]
02:06:03 ◼ ► hide behind several layers of editorial so you don't know whether or not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7563">TS</a>]
02:06:08 ◼ ► actually believe this thing and my goal is always if I'm gonna hire a writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7568">TS</a>]
02:06:13 ◼ ► that elevator like what we do and how I want them to write the core of it is do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7573">TS</a>]
02:06:18 ◼ ► you believe what you're about to publish and if you don't then go back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7578">TS</a>]
02:06:22 ◼ ► drawing board rethink it you know it's not thought about what it looks like or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7582">TS</a>]
02:06:28 ◼ ► what it feels like or what you know people the way people take it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7588">TS</a>]
02:06:32 ◼ ► if you report on something you say a certain thing and they trash you that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7592">TS</a>]
02:06:36 ◼ ► it really doesn't matter all that matters is do you believe it because in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7596">TS</a>]
02:06:39 ◼ ► the end that's why you can go home and sleep at night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7599">TS</a>]
02:06:42 ◼ ► wake up tomorrow and we're both happy and we smile we see each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7602">TS</a>]
02:06:46 ◼ ► and we're not all depressed and and in our cups because we're publishing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7606">TS</a>]
02:06:50 ◼ ► we don't believe you know or publishing things we don't believe in and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7610">TS</a>]
02:06:55 ◼ ► that's the biggest thing that's hard especially when all this money is at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7615">TS</a>]
02:06:59 ◼ ► you know what about what about just how metric of publish it writing stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7619">TS</a>]
02:07:03 ◼ ► you wouldn't want to read that is that to me is where if you're well and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7623">TS</a>]
02:07:10 ◼ ► know if you're a writer creator if you're creating things that you yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7630">TS</a>]
02:07:13 ◼ ► would not want to consume that's that to me is when you miserable death to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7633">TS</a>]
02:07:22 ◼ ► definitely warnings about wraps it up she talked about the only thing I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7642">TS</a>]
02:07:28 ◼ ► think to talk about would be the two of the things I swear apple.com redesign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7648">TS</a>]
02:07:34 ◼ ► which I don't know that I have a lot to say about the other thing is that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7654">TS</a>]
02:07:40 ◼ ► music stuff that came out yesterday at EQ and what's his name did interview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7660">TS</a>]
02:07:44 ◼ ► with USA today even though they said in a music first so that the news is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7664">TS</a>]
02:07:53 ◼ ► they have eleven million subscribers but everybody is still in the three-month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7673">TS</a>]
02:07:58 ◼ ► period so there's no no no metrics yet on how many people are actually pain but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7678">TS</a>]
02:08:08 ◼ ► you know and and there was an acknowledgement of yester some bugs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7688">TS</a>]
02:08:12 ◼ ► it's not working great for everybody and we're on it what is when I'm when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7692">TS</a>]
02:08:18 ◼ ► can't make up my mind about and I it's just haven't used a lot I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7698">TS</a>]
02:08:23 ◼ ► grumpy old man I don't listen to a lot of I never really listened to I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7703">TS</a>]
02:08:28 ◼ ► listen to music while I work that's the big thing I can't write or read why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7708">TS</a>]
02:08:32 ◼ ► listen to music or I should say I can't but I find it to be distracting I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7712">TS</a>]
02:08:39 ◼ ► I like to write in silence I can listen listen to music while I read but yeah if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7719">TS</a>]
02:08:45 ◼ ► I'm writing I'm not going to put headphones on and listen to music unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7725">TS</a>]
02:08:50 ◼ ► and this is very precise thing to the grass and now we're talking about teens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7730">TS</a>]
02:08:55 ◼ ► but I just find the since you brought it up every once in a while I get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7735">TS</a>]
02:09:00 ◼ ► safety is to write a story and literally the entire story is already done before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7740">TS</a>]
02:09:04 ◼ ► I start writing it and in that case I play the music to get me through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7744">TS</a>]
02:09:07 ◼ ► actually putting on the page has its boring and that the writing part is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7747">TS</a>]
02:09:14 ◼ ► boring machine like these words downs other people know understand that then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7754">TS</a>]
02:09:21 ◼ ► I'll put on some techno and all you know blaster it but yeah but if I'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7761">TS</a>]
02:09:24 ◼ ► formulate ideas I do find it distracting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7764">TS</a>]
02:09:27 ◼ ► yeah that's a funny way to put it there are in broad sense I do find that when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7767">TS</a>]
02:09:32 ◼ ► write there's two types of stories is the one that I already have it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7772">TS</a>]
02:09:35 ◼ ► does seem like it's just drudgery it not drudgery but work it it feels like work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7775">TS</a>]
02:09:40 ◼ ► to get it out and then there's the kind where I don't know where I'm going and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7780">TS</a>]
02:09:45 ◼ ► it it's actually fun to write it even though it actually is more work because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7785">TS</a>]
02:09:49 ◼ ► I actually have to go back and and change it because the the course of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7789">TS</a>]
02:09:54 ◼ ► writing it is how I formulate the final idea exactly you teach yourself what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7794">TS</a>]
02:10:00 ◼ ► meant by writing at the end of it you're like oh I met this and I gotta go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7800">TS</a>]
02:10:05 ◼ ► in and it is so a quick spoiler it's a article I'm writing for verifiable it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7805">TS</a>]
02:10:11 ◼ ► isn't out yet it might be a race against time whether it out before this episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7811">TS</a>]
02:10:16 ◼ ► of the podcast is out but I'm just writing a post that's just here's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7816">TS</a>]
02:10:19 ◼ ► guessing on what the new iPhone lineup will look like next month and I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7819">TS</a>]
02:10:24 ◼ ► it by trying to get to where Moulton I last week on the show were both thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7824">TS</a>]
02:10:31 ◼ ► maybe they would do like a four-inch iPhone 6 see sort of like the internals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7831">TS</a>]
02:10:36 ◼ ► of the iPod touches that just came out and the AAA and the foreign size and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7836">TS</a>]
02:10:42 ◼ ► that was when I started writing the article about and as I wrote the article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7842">TS</a>]
02:10:45 ◼ ► I've came to the conclusion that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7845">TS</a>]
02:10:47 ◼ ► that's not going to happen in that that I know and discovery is but I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7847">TS</a>]
02:10:55 ◼ ► had to then go back to the beginning and like rewrite almost everything I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7855">TS</a>]
02:11:00 ◼ ► by trying to make the argument that this is why I think they might do this and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7860">TS</a>]
02:11:03 ◼ ► I wrote the article it's like by forcing myself to make sentences out of its like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7863">TS</a>]
02:11:07 ◼ ► you know that's not going to happen there you know what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7867">TS</a>]
02:11:10 ◼ ► there'd be leaks of the components by now and there are no leads so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7870">TS</a>]
02:11:14 ◼ ► gonna happen that's called being intellectually honest right but that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7874">TS</a>]
02:11:19 ◼ ► you prove you try to proving you try to stretch the facts and truth of what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7879">TS</a>]
02:11:24 ◼ ► know to be true if it in there that she had created before you know and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7884">TS</a>]
02:11:28 ◼ ► there's there's that too it's fun so anyway I did you know my daily life I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7888">TS</a>]
02:11:34 ◼ ► don't listen to a lot of me i i work an awful lot if you know dicking around on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7894">TS</a>]
02:11:39 ◼ ► the web and linking the things you can call work and when I'm doing that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7899">TS</a>]
02:11:43 ◼ ► not listen to music constantly waiting for somebody to make me go back and eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7903">TS</a>]
02:11:48 ◼ ► ok well when they tend to go back to that feel that way I think we're OK and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7908">TS</a>]
02:11:56 ◼ ► then when I'm listening to stuff because I'm bored I want something to listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7916">TS</a>]
02:11:59 ◼ ► its almost always podcasts and so I don't listen to a lot of music and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7919">TS</a>]
02:12:05 ◼ ► music and it works for me but I don't use it enough to run into these bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7925">TS</a>]
02:12:10 ◼ ► that people have run into so I just don't know why I don't feel like I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7930">TS</a>]
02:12:13 ◼ ► a position to judge this is where I'm getting is is this a a sort of rough 1.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7933">TS</a>]
02:12:20 ◼ ► and has some kinks to be worked out but it's you know they're on track and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7940">TS</a>]
02:12:23 ◼ ► that just bugs it's a one point out they ship when they shipped and they'll fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7943">TS</a>]
02:12:27 ◼ ► it or is it a disaster and they've got a permanent mess on their hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7947">TS</a>]
02:12:32 ◼ ► I i dont know I see people espousing both opinions I mean like I just joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7952">TS</a>]
02:12:38 ◼ ► Gizmodo published an obituary frightens yesterday so I i tend to think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7958">TS</a>]
02:12:47 ◼ ► hyperbole but I don't know that I've used it enough to form an opinion on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7967">TS</a>]
02:12:50 ◼ ► I mean I think everybody who's used it for any period of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7970">TS</a>]
02:12:56 ◼ ► understands that iTunes is not the most well-written piece of software anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7976">TS</a>]
02:13:01 ◼ ► and that's no real one person's fault necessarily though you can probably find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7981">TS</a>]
02:13:06 ◼ ► somebody in the chain somewhere who you could blame but I think that it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7986">TS</a>]
02:13:12 ◼ ► asked to do so many different things by now that it's impossible for it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7992">TS</a>]
02:13:16 ◼ ► execute on any of them with any real sense of of competency you know it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/7996">TS</a>]
02:13:23 ◼ ► does stuff it doesn't really do stuff well and i think that that is part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8003">TS</a>]
02:13:28 ◼ ► what we're up against here when they're smashing Apple music into iTunes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8008">TS</a>]
02:13:34 ◼ ► which is the argument for separating it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8014">TS</a>]
02:13:37 ◼ ► having an apple music or whatever the case may be and which I think honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8017">TS</a>]
02:13:41 ◼ ► would lead to more complexity so I'm not usually fund but you could easily see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8021">TS</a>]
02:13:46 ◼ ► music app and a video is that right in and the videos app contains your video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8026">TS</a>]
02:13:52 ◼ ► library just like it doesn't I Wes and the music app contained you know radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8032">TS</a>]
02:13:56 ◼ ► and your music and all that stuff and then the stores were then attached to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8036">TS</a>]
02:14:00 ◼ ► each of them you can't even look at the apple.com redesign as a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8040">TS</a>]
02:14:04 ◼ ► indicators to with it think about it and right now your music collection is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8044">TS</a>]
02:14:09 ◼ ► separate from the store but without the music it doesn't have to be right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8049">TS</a>]
02:14:13 ◼ ► it literally is you could be 11 units and you could you could be listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8053">TS</a>]
02:14:18 ◼ ► a song and attitude collection which is totally possible without the music right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8058">TS</a>]
02:14:22 ◼ ► now there's just lots of indicators of a standalone app could really work well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8062">TS</a>]
02:14:26 ◼ ► and could mesh better than it currently does where you switch back and forth all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8066">TS</a>]
02:14:30 ◼ ► I know is like my movie library is is pretty big and iTunes handles it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8070">TS</a>]
02:14:35 ◼ ► incredibly poorly in Apple TV handles it even worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8075">TS</a>]
02:14:39 ◼ ► yeah I've 954 movies wait how mend 954 wow they are all bought through iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8079">TS</a>]
02:14:47 ◼ ► or no no no no I'm some of them but you know I have a good portion of them maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8087">TS</a>]
02:14:56 ◼ ► 20% or purchase but from iTunes but a large majority of them are ripped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8096">TS</a>]
02:15:02 ◼ ► blu-rays DVDs other kinds of things so they're not the most amazing quality but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8102">TS</a>]
02:15:07 ◼ ► a lot of times they're good enough for me to watch every once in a great while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8107">TS</a>]
02:15:11 ◼ ► what I want to watch it but it's just like a digitized by collection so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8111">TS</a>]
02:15:14 ◼ ► did I and you get out what you put that on your home network and iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8114">TS</a>]
02:15:19 ◼ ► supposedly throwing the idea through your iCloud account you can see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8119">TS</a>]
02:15:26 ◼ ► from your Apple TV exactly what the on the Apple TV when you have 954 movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8126">TS</a>]
02:15:31 ◼ ► Italy the list scrolls for an eternity rate like it's just a scrollable list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8131">TS</a>]
02:15:37 ◼ ► there's no genre breakdowns the meditators there but there's no John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8137">TS</a>]
02:15:41 ◼ ► breakdowns there's no way to even look at them in cover form it's literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8141">TS</a>]
02:15:46 ◼ ► just an endlessly scrolling list of names it's the worst possible interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8146">TS</a>]
02:15:51 ◼ ► for a largely movie library yeah it's and it's not good it sucks I i out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8151">TS</a>]
02:15:57 ◼ ► laziness i mean i i'd still buy Blu rays for movies that i truly love her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8157">TS</a>]
02:16:02 ◼ ► expected love you know Criterion Collection I've got all kubrick stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8162">TS</a>]
02:16:06 ◼ ► blu-ray and stuff like that but for the most part if it's just regular crap we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8166">TS</a>]
02:16:13 ◼ ► just booked by Mr gonna buy weed by the iTunes version so we've got I figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8173">TS</a>]
02:16:18 ◼ ► it's like holy cow that's a lot of money is we've been doing it for years we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8178">TS</a>]
02:16:22 ◼ ► got a little over 300 movies that we bought from iTunes and on in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8182">TS</a>]
02:16:28 ◼ ► soon-to-be dats you know not rips these aren't like on a Mac these are the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8188">TS</a>]
02:16:32 ◼ ► we bought from iTunes but one Apple TV when you visit the current Apple TV when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8192">TS</a>]
02:16:38 ◼ ► you go to all movies it's like 10 seconds before the list comes up before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8198">TS</a>]
02:16:43 ◼ ► anything comes up so it's like you almost have to make it easy to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8203">TS</a>]
02:16:49 ◼ ► the one you just be the most recent two or three because they're up there at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8209">TS</a>]
02:16:52 ◼ ► top in the little short cut section but if you want to look at a movie that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8212">TS</a>]
02:16:58 ◼ ► it's really stings he exactly if you if it's something about recent I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8218">TS</a>]
02:17:05 ◼ ► cycle we go through with my daughter is you know will you know once you try this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8225">TS</a>]
02:17:11 ◼ ► you know this movie and she'll hate it but you have to test it the first time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8231">TS</a>]
02:17:15 ◼ ► watch it and then she'll start asked me to watch it again and should watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8235">TS</a>]
02:17:17 ◼ ► over and over again until like I recently introduced her to James and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8237">TS</a>]
02:17:21 ◼ ► Giant Peach and at first she was totally disinterested in a completely no thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8241">TS</a>]
02:17:26 ◼ ► but then now she watches it like once or twice a day right and same thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8246">TS</a>]
02:17:30 ◼ ► Iron Giant where you know those of the movie she alternates between right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8250">TS</a>]
02:17:34 ◼ ► been previously did I was like monsters mean can you know so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8254">TS</a>]
02:17:38 ◼ ► right they'll be a thing that is she's interested in so when she wants to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8258">TS</a>]
02:17:42 ◼ ► a movie that day you know what he wanted to be like a giant dildos right at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8262">TS</a>]
02:17:48 ◼ ► top but if it's anything else it is a drill-down job to get to the rest of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8268">TS</a>]
02:17:53 ◼ ► so regardless of what your use cases whether she should watch movie or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8273">TS</a>]
02:17:59 ◼ ► know you're serious movie collector I don't think either people are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8279">TS</a>]
02:18:02 ◼ ► being serviced well at this point you know and I think that there needs to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8282">TS</a>]
02:18:07 ◼ ► a severe revamp their on the Apple TV but I think that part of that is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8287">TS</a>]
02:18:10 ◼ ► iTunes as well as iTunes at the moment it's not all that effective either it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8290">TS</a>]
02:18:15 ◼ ► either a list or a list of covers that does not scroll well really bored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8295">TS</a>]
02:18:23 ◼ ► takes a long time to load anyway I have a very strong feeling that there will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8303">TS</a>]
02:18:29 ◼ ► no answer to that problem in a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8309">TS</a>]
02:18:34 ◼ ► yeah I think there has to be i dont i dont really I'm in the same boat as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8314">TS</a>]
02:18:39 ◼ ► as far as music goes I don't have a really comprehensive list of my gripes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8319">TS</a>]
02:18:46 ◼ ► or anything like that because I use it really casually you know I have a music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8326">TS</a>]
02:18:50 ◼ ► library but most my music library is classic rock as I that's when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8330">TS</a>]
02:18:55 ◼ ► buying a lot of music on CDs and rip them I was buying a lot of classic rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8335">TS</a>]
02:18:59 ◼ ► my musical tastes have changed significantly over the last three albums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8339">TS</a>]
02:19:02 ◼ ► I bought were like Mumford and Sons Brandon Flowers new album and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8342">TS</a>]
02:19:06 ◼ ► contrary soundtrack so they come over the map now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8346">TS</a>]
02:19:10 ◼ ► I very rarely go through my music library in place up anymore I generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8350">TS</a>]
02:19:15 ◼ ► pub on Rdio and then just listen to the popular stuff like what's new what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8355">TS</a>]
02:19:21 ◼ ► interesting so I can discover new people and go oh I like you know I like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8361">TS</a>]
02:19:26 ◼ ► know man camera like whatever you know what to subject or some some new artists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8366">TS</a>]
02:19:31 ◼ ► that I I am pretty excited about now and so that discovery aspect of things is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8371">TS</a>]
02:19:35 ◼ ► serviced fine for me by clicking on the radio tab and just you know letting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8375">TS</a>]
02:19:40 ◼ ► play or forgoing the four new tab and just clicking on something so for me I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8380">TS</a>]
02:19:45 ◼ ► pretty easy so I'm not the right person to be a critical about it easy pleaser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8385">TS</a>]
02:19:50 ◼ ► that's the first thing that comes to mind when I think of you mad easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8390">TS</a>]
02:19:57 ◼ ► pleaser in this one small what do you think about the new apple.com yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8397">TS</a>]
02:20:09 ◼ ► ok so I think it's good I don't like it like you I don't have a lot to say about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8409">TS</a>]
02:20:13 ◼ ► it but I think it is it's going to be a nice statement for anybody that has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8413">TS</a>]
02:20:20 ◼ ► separate store to get over it and said in a great their exploration curation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8420">TS</a>]
02:20:25 ◼ ► and store all into one to have a soul like showroom mentality I think you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8425">TS</a>]
02:20:32 ◼ ► yeah yeah but I think that's that's accurate i think that the reason it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8432">TS</a>]
02:20:40 ◼ ► it was more of an engineering issue than its vision that that's the way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8440">TS</a>]
02:20:47 ◼ ► should do it right it was it just sort of evolved that way and that they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8447">TS</a>]
02:20:52 ◼ ► this convoluted web objects system that they wrote in house for the store they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8452">TS</a>]
02:20:56 ◼ ► did a lot of cool things and couldn't be easily replaced but it also had a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8456">TS</a>]
02:21:00 ◼ ► problems and so to me the most interesting thing we talked about and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8460">TS</a>]
02:21:04 ◼ ► and a lot of people have a story like if we don't it's the one day I know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8464">TS</a>]
02:21:08 ◼ ► haven't talked about is are they still gonna take the store down when they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8468">TS</a>]
02:21:12 ◼ ► like a press event and long story short that the deal is is that that's started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8472">TS</a>]
02:21:18 ◼ ► because technically they had to take the store down for hours to make certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8478">TS</a>]
02:21:24 ◼ ► there were certain types of changes that had involved taking the entire store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8484">TS</a>]
02:21:28 ◼ ► down for hours and it that's part of it was the way that they're different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8488">TS</a>]
02:21:32 ◼ ► stores around the world you know four different currencies and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8492">TS</a>]
02:21:35 ◼ ► and part of it was just the way that it was made and that explains why there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8495">TS</a>]
02:21:42 ◼ ► times you know there's almost like a bad signal like the Apple stores down likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8502">TS</a>]
02:21:46 ◼ ► if it's down the morning of WWDC keynote or product right or if it's down next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8506">TS</a>]
02:21:53 ◼ ► september you know I don't know what day is the consensus gas for when you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8513">TS</a>]
02:21:58 ◼ ► that's going to be you know I don't know looking at my calendar I'm thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8518">TS</a>]
02:22:02 ◼ ► maybe september fourteenth or something in December 14th September 15th in a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8522">TS</a>]
02:22:08 ◼ ► of the press events go out our invites go out you know the week before and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8528">TS</a>]
02:22:13 ◼ ► story goes down that morning will be everybody knows that but there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8533">TS</a>]
02:22:16 ◼ ► times you know four years we're like on a random Wednesday the Apple Store goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8536">TS</a>]
02:22:20 ◼ ► down for an hour and people get excited and you know what's going on and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8540">TS</a>]
02:22:24 ◼ ► comes back up and it was nothing right so my understanding is that those days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8544">TS</a>]
02:22:30 ◼ ► are over they the new engineering that's going on here is they're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8550">TS</a>]
02:22:34 ◼ ► have to take the store down for just just because they have to but my guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8554">TS</a>]
02:22:42 ◼ ► is they'll still do something like that evolved into a way to make people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8562">TS</a>]
02:22:46 ◼ ► excited you know it build anticipation and quite frankly if they're announcing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8566">TS</a>]
02:22:52 ◼ ► new iPhones this morning they don't want you to buy an old you know me because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8572">TS</a>]
02:22:57 ◼ ► they know you're gonna send it right you know you're gonna be mad to cancel your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8577">TS</a>]
02:23:00 ◼ ► order and and send it back anyway yeah so maybe they just turn off the buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8580">TS</a>]
02:23:05 ◼ ► button right I mean I think that there I asked about this and got no comment but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8585">TS</a>]
02:23:12 ◼ ► you know about the whole like wellville website come down how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8592">TS</a>]
02:23:16 ◼ ► and got no comment from them but the if you look at the way that the switch when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8596">TS</a>]
02:23:23 ◼ ► they did it like 40 countries like forty different stores and they did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8603">TS</a>]
02:23:27 ◼ ► seamlessly I actually saw somebody was even browsing the site and it changed on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8607">TS</a>]
02:23:33 ◼ ► them as they click from one section to another so whether that translates in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8613">TS</a>]
02:23:37 ◼ ► forward into them being able to do whatever they want without having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8617">TS</a>]
02:23:41 ◼ ► take everything down I don't know but it's an interesting indicator you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8621">TS</a>]
02:23:45 ◼ ► leading indicator of maybe the way it works differently now than it did before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8625">TS</a>]
02:23:49 ◼ ► and one of the reasons that they did all the engineering you know the scenes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8629">TS</a>]
02:23:53 ◼ ► mean I would be really surprised if it's so random objects although it may I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8633">TS</a>]
02:23:57 ◼ ► don't think so and it seems based on my Twitter you know it's hard to tell from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8637">TS</a>]
02:24:00 ◼ ► the outside but it's clearly not web objects that directly talking to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8640">TS</a>]
02:24:04 ◼ ► browser there's some kind of a patchy front and now and now that could be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8644">TS</a>]
02:24:08 ◼ ► kind of load balancer something in front of web objects but it doesn't seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8648">TS</a>]
02:24:12 ◼ ► it and I said that it felt faster but I don't know maybe it's that you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8652">TS</a>]
02:24:16 ◼ ► are called the new and shiny placebo effect but a bunch of other people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8656">TS</a>]
02:24:20 ◼ ► Twitter said no it's not just you it's definitely faster so that makes me think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8660">TS</a>]
02:24:24 ◼ ► it's not web objects anymore and if it is web objects went well hidden behind a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8664">TS</a>]
02:24:31 ◼ ► faster much better-looking yeah anyway that's the news of the week anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8671">TS</a>]
02:24:38 ◼ ► else do you want to talk about having lost you probably lost you ok clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8678">TS</a>]
02:24:46 ◼ ► Skype is the worst you know it's funny and that I got you know I don't pay for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8686">TS</a>]
02:24:51 ◼ ► it I guess I could maybe if I could they go away but this year launched Skype now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8691">TS</a>]
02:24:54 ◼ ► and it gives you like a list of things you can do and my list of suggested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8694">TS</a>]
02:24:58 ◼ ► things to do was one upgrade to Windows 10 and to take a depression test is at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8698">TS</a>]
02:25:05 ◼ ► the that's literally what it says in the main Skype window and a landscape while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8705">TS</a>]
02:25:10 ◼ ► things to do today and I can't help but think that they're related exactly must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8710">TS</a>]
02:25:18 ◼ ► be really get that are using Skype is really did it anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8718">TS</a>]
02:25:24 ◼ ► anyway it was you've been extraordinary graces with your time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8724">TS</a>]
02:25:27 ◼ ► and I was a great conversation Matthew pans arena people can read your work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8727">TS</a>]
02:25:32 ◼ ► techcrunch.com where you are your title is editor-in-chief you would it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8732">TS</a>]
02:25:38 ◼ ► you title yeah editor-in-chief which is well-deserved you're doing a very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8738">TS</a>]
02:25:44 ◼ ► CPU and on Twitter they can see your very fine tweets at at panzer P A N Z Y [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8744">TS</a>]
02:25:53 ◼ ► are at a time when I get on skype I typed in panzer and I was very upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8753">TS</a>]
02:25:59 ◼ ► when I introduced into just people people introduced me as being so now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuysdkBQ/8759">TS</a>]