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the incomparable number 242 April 2015
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welcome back everybody to the
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incomparable i'm your host Jason's now
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i'm joined by a panel of fabulous stars
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to talk about star trek with me again
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this is our third installment and what
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we've been calling the star trek debate
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club all just part of a plot to get more
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star trek content on the incomparable
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proper we just did our two-part star
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wars episode 3 episode not too long ago
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the balance is shifting a little too far
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away from Star Trek in my book so we're
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here to debate numerous things and
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settle nothing and and out rate make
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outrageous claims and leave his friends
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while the internet burns probably behind
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joining me to debate various ridiculous
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things in Star Trek are Scott McNulty
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host of our very own random track
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podcast hi Scott
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hello good to have you here it's always
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a pleasure chase David laura is also out
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there hi David there
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Brianna Wu I wouldn't do a debate club
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about Star Trek without you
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what's crackalackin and yeah thanks i
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know your catchphrase some catchphrase
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it's just a way to go did you catch
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phrase just 23 younger game
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I don't know who else would have a
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catchphrase and say to people anyway
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Tony sindelar hello Helen it's it's not
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against reasons just how he says hello
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that's just how i talk an accident and
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moisture is too jaan hai Jason Snelling
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I shall race you around the moons of me
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haha trauma and Harris nebula and round
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perdition's flames before I claim my
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pride spoilers spoilers but I'm laughing
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at the superior intellect indeed that's
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what i'm doing right now this very
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moment Jason how are you doing just fine
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i asked you all to prepare which haha
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i'm not saying you did i'm just saying i
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asked baby it's on us to discuss things
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things in a few different categories
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here so as always on the star trek
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debate clip we're going to talk about
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the best things in the worst things go a
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little positive then make bringing down
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a little bit going to the going to the
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negative then bring it back around more
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positive and i'm down note perhaps
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because that's what we do here i want to
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talk about captains for
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just and and best and worst captains and
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I'm uninterested what you all have to
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say about good captain's and bad
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captain's on Star Trek and to kick us
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off with with captain's I'm gonna go
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with brianna i have ya about what she's
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gonna talk about yeah so tell me tell me
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your best Star Trek captain
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alright alright so the very best Star
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Trek captain besides Mirror Mirror
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Captain Archer who is a pretty awesome
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captain alive like he got some stuff yet
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he got some stuff done
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Rihanna you're gonna mess up where I'm
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going but no one's gonna let go let go
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alright i could go out you don't you
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don't you say you know I'm gonna say is
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Captain Janeway yeah i love captain
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janeway i am passionate about Captain
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Janeway she is i have never talked to a
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woman that doesn't think Captain Janeway
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is like unfairly maligned by Star Trek
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fans listen she has a big mission she's
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like putting this really uncomfortable
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role like being out in the middle of the
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Delta Quadrant with no support and you
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know like she makes it happen like she
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gets her ship and she gets everybody
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home and if I've noticed a trend with
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Star Trek captain's like this happens we
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could with Kirk abs we could with the
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card even happens with Archer that
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sometimes when things get really rough
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like the they kind of just go earn they
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just kind of ground to get it done and
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that's not really the way that Captain
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Janeway runs her ship like she's very
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much more of a diplomat consensus
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builder and i think that there's a lot
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of lessons to learn in the way that she
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kind of you know basically runs things
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and I just think she's a wonderful
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leader I like Janeway I was talking to
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somebody and I think I think might even
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Scott at one point about this that that
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I i think and voyager is not my favorite
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Star Trek and they're there
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we've talked about theories about why
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some people don't like Voyager and some
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people do I think it's fine
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I don't hate it I Janeway to me was
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never an issue with Voyager I think
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she's really great
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I don't think it's her fault Janeway and
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no it unless captain's truly do pick
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every single member of the crew
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it's it's not you know she didn't pick
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Chakotay she just picked him up from
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another boring day she didn't
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probably didn't recruit Harry Kim
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because who would do that
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I mean I think she's the best character
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on Voyager by like I mean I don't I
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don't know who's in second place it's
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like a little design in the doctor I
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ok good characters really good
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characters on Voyager right now Felix no
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no the only problem with Captain Janeway
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is that she's stranded on a bad show
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oh it's not our fault it's not her she's
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a good character trait she is you
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surrounded her with I mean this is my
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this is one of the reasons I don't think
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voyager is as strong as I think the
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supporting cast is good around her and
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if you surrounded her with some of the
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stronger characters from maybe some
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other star trek shows the show would be
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better but that character i like i like
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Janeway a lot i think she was it really
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interesting character her approach and
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Brianna we've talked about this before
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her project to to solving problems into
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dealing with her crew is different from
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the archetypal star trek captain it
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whether it's the the captain kirk
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approach which is a more direct or the
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Picard the consultative kind of Picardy
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person Janeway Janeway has a different
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approach to solving problems in dealing
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with a crew and I always I always like
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that i like i like Kate Mulgrew's
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performance I think she does a good job
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i'm glad that they recast the part after
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two days no yeah the original captain
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was terrible giorgia visual yeah I i
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think that there's a I mean I think
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there's a real market her character
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house lake in the first season of
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voyager is very interesting because she
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finds herself out there alone without a
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lot of the support systems that captains
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typically have and you see her really
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wrestling with moral decisions over the
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course of the show like where she's
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really put in situation's where she has
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to choose between her principles and
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like just doing what's most expedient
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and I think it makes for some great
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television and i just love the character
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but I feel in some in some ways that
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Janeway is I all look at captain is a
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management position and i'm not there
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really boy color is your Starfleet
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parachute but but mainly I don't like
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she was actually like because of the
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heightened stakes of being stranded and
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all that like Janeway was a captain who
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really had to deal with you know serious
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week-to-week management decisions like
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not just how to
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people happy but like you know and not
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just like tricking aliens out of to get
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the ship out of danger but like trying
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to get the the two different groups to
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work together and and and navigate these
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you know making these weird decisions
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about where they were going to go to try
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to get back home and it was it's an
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interesting character for that reason to
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well i mean if if I may say she she does
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a lot with what she's given check out i
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sorry i sorry i'll turn that into a into
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thing and I do my impression of Harry
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Kim now
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hi I'm Harry Kim and I really hope you
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like scan that bulkhead over anybody
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everybody still awake
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that was pretty accurate thank you how
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do you feel about skating thing scared
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of my computers doing some stuff my
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favorite Harry Kim episode is that my
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favorite voyager episodes where Kim dies
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unfortunately there's another Harry Kim
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so anyway uh that's a great one
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let's it's not a draft but that's a
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great that was a great choice David Lord
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you have a best captain for me
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we out yeah because I prepared said I I
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made a joke about this before and and
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the more I thought about it the more
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thought you know Frasier Crane or well
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captain morgan bait some of the USS
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bozeman which is really kelsey grammer
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who is trapped in that temporal rift for
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90 years with his ship
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I kind of think I want to think he's
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from the mirror universe because look at
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his beard and and they're trying to
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completely supported create an incursion
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into the into our universe and you know
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that's that's kind of cool but now it's
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Jim Kirk because you know Jim Kirk is is
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my guy and get again I mean we've talked
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about this before without the template
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there wouldn't be any other series but
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we always pull that one out
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yeah but i will say i like i like all of
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the primary captains in all of the
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series III think they all you know
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they're not exactly like they all have
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different good qualities i don't think i
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could pick a worst one out of them
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although i did pick the worst one
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it might not be one of them who knows a
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but I you know every time I think about
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it I think you know okay i love Picard
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but he's beholden to Q entirely too much
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during the series and and I love cisco
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and i really like Janeway and and I like
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Archer I've like evil nature better but
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he had partial one evil maybe maybe more
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effective into the point Archer is more
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accurate
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that's right understand but it when i
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think about it
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what are the ones that even now I still
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watch over and over I still watch the
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original series over and over I don't
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get tired of it i don't get tired of the
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Bad episodes I can't watch The Bad
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episodes of the new shows i just i can't
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i can't watch the the next generation
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with the by NARS or the one where
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residents steps on the grass and gets to
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read and 11001001 ready
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wait a minute the miners episode is
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amazing that go on
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I I pretty much can't stand anything and
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sees one I pretty much can't stand you
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were broken about raising y'all
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oh hey you know friendly whole world
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hates us but we're staying here I'm just
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like I love him but I died when I am
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laughing at the first season and anyway
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I believe it
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the eat the episode question that
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referring to is called 11001001 in the
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language of the by NARS mean don't you
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think all that's colored a little bit by
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nostalgia I'm oh absolutely yeah I don't
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deny that also i I'd never seen tos and
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i got married to my husband who pointed
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out today was telling those can be on
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you know I've seen all of these episodes
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many times now and they're not good this
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whole head of TOS the Tripoli and
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unbelievably bad and I just don't
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understand how anyone can say it's good
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but it's guy didn't say it's good
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I is used
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it's amusingly bad when it's amusingly
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bad there are very few that are just out
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and out absolutely cannot stand watching
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but we're gonna be there are no lines
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are going to consider that there may be
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about like 27-percent that are i'd i'd
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say about twenty to twenty-five percent
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and they're the ones that are so bad
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that the the cast is actively revolting
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as they are recording the episode like
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the satyrs for soldiers I active board
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faces well that's yeah anyone that could
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be fun seriously bored Shatner and
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boredom away are a lot more fun than
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bored freaks and board service and bored
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McFadden that's not her name it's not
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sure didn't skate mechana not bored
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McCann gates are bad boards but well at
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the same not
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I you know I'm gonna I'm gonna agree
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with David here obviously i love captain
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kirk I i love captain kirk in the in the
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original show and in the movies most
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especially of course star trek to but I
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think throughout especially some of the
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humor stuff and star trek for is a very
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amusing with him i like i like the stuff
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in Star Trek six as well where he's
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really angry at the Klingons i'm always
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loved Captain Kirk and his and his
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trickery
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I i really enjoyed the fact that he
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although he was an action hero and he
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would be happy to fight a giant lizard
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man if he placed on a desert planet with
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a giant lizard man who wouldn't
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she'll ask you to do I like one of my
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favorite Kirk things is on the corbomite
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maneuver where he talks his way out of
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the situation where he is just bluffing
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and he Bluffs a giant spaceship into
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surrendering to him essentially which is
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pretty awesome
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and then in Star Trek to the echo of
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that with obviously a lot more attention
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and stakes in a much larger budget as
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well and the way that he kind of saves
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them from destruction at the hands of
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con with his trickery i really love that
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about Captain Kirk board more than the
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seduction of alien women and being a
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giant lizard people I just I really like
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that that part of kirk and also his
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sense of humor that when McCoy tries to
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prescribe him salad
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he can give them a look and groans and
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then he eats the salad
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the other thing as I'm sitting here
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thinking about it he's the one who goes
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through the protagonist journey right
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Picard is always level-headed
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intelligent rational and you know
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sometimes he slips but most of the time
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he's he's totally rational Ben Sisko
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very rational very mellow good manager
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Janeway terrific manager Kirk is the one
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who nearly bashes the lizard guys head
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in with a rock and then he lets his
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better the better angels of his nature
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overcome not going to key right today
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but he's not a good captain as much a
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seasonally liking captor and unbelief
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away like a captain there without their
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and against his will take pattern after
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Captain reason
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fair enough um assess you have a kid you
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have some captain talk for us this this
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is one that has vexed me I've gotta say
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I thought about this a lot i thought
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well do i do I stick to what people
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expect do i pick one of the five
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captains who were also the lead of the
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room series is doing something other
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than that trying too hard then I thought
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maybe there's another angle entirely
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Jason wait a way to metagame the not
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draft isn't everybody has done this so
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far by the way everybody has make sure
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somebody they're not talking about
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before talking about it you are experts
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are all way too good at this are your
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honor yes mr. mystery on you and I
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mention I need a ruling from the bench
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I am I allowed to count Sam Beckett
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inside the body of a starship captain
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Jonathan Archer as one person
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no I'm sorry it's okay well then your
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arteries you can't raise your cream
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can't come from an evil universe ok I'm
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racket yeah that's right yeah you could
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pick an obscure weird strange captain
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from somewhere but you cannot pick sort
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of fit headcanon captain's inside all
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weekend Calhoun I I resent your
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judgmental talk uh I ok very well that
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there are no one's out Cogley ok that
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one's out i'm tempted to pick our Sulu
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because his moment as captain of the
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Excelsior in Star Trek six is fantastic
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and amazing and it is so a typical to
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Asian America
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an actor's on-screen and for me as a kid
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that was amazing blew me away but
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sentimentality can always hit me so far
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so then I just I'm restrict myself to
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captain of the enterprise
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okay you can do that if you want you
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could you have turkey and you don't have
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cisco including cisco in cloquet you
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down captain of the enterprise even
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locate main main series captain's make
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sense cabins if I were to do that when
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you don't have an answer do you boys
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you're just being nice no no I'm not I'm
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not I'm going somewhere i literally have
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bulleted notes also delay of game your
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you're gonna pick on solo aren't you
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know jewbacca mal Reynolds i'm going to
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end up picking a captain of the
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enterprise who did not run their own
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series and it's the only captain of the
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enterprise to do something very
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important that I have to have to set my
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sentimental feelings aside because i
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want to pick four of them so the best
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Star Trek captain is Rachel Derek
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captain the enterprise see what you got
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you only captain of a starship
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enterprise to go down with the ship in
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something that isn't an alternate
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would've reality that they get out of
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thanks to time control tachyons and well
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technically she goes to an alternate
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reality and dies there before they can
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go down with the ship yeah so so
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basically you're saying that i picked
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the captain who is master of all time
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space and reality so now i'm writing
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about I love your pic I i had Rachel
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Garrett as my darkhorse backup secret
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wacky pic events and I on that logic i
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almost picked con but I couldn't in good
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conscience do that because he have he's
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he's a great captain the bodies a is a
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fine ship especially when it's on sand
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he totally didn't crash into a planet he
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was crashed four years on a desert
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planet you know in a cargo bay
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yeah and ended up almost taking down the
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Federation's flagship that is amazing
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but Rachel Garrett didn't have the
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advantage of having a movie named after
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her so i have to go Rachel yeah alright
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Your Honor I would like to pick Malcolm
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Reynolds which I will prove as part of
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the star trek universe happy this guy
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who diets Lando Calrissian wearing Han
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Solo's clothing is my
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ok me my yeah my sentimental pic would
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have been cisco but best captain if
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Rachel Garrett alright and am I mean I
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think that I mean she's only got a
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couple of scenes where she's talking to
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Picard and then she's always thought it
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was sad that she's kind of
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unceremoniously killed so that they can
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give Tasha and christopher mcdonald a
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arc I I always thought that was a game
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that they did that because i really like
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that character and she was she was the
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first woman captain of the enterprise
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that one or a woman starcaptain really
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was the bold move of the captain of the
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enterprise see is Rachel Garrett and I
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they did that she was the actress
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brother a nice gravitas to that part and
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she was so much more interesting than
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yard I know I go and her little romance
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mrs. Garrett was based on her
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thank you so much to harry's for keeping
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incomparable Tony captain me that you
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have already accepted make me a captain
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right now i don't i don't think you
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understand Starfleet ok you are busy
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kitchen aid in your grade podcaster at
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best let's study but I if I name
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temporary acting first officer and I get
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the temporary acting captain thrown off
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a lot of general compromised
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I don't you even right you're one of
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those guys in engineering this is
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wearing a turtleneck
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thanks Tony oh sorry but you know that
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those guys are important to EJ's of do
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you have something Tony sure I mean
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we've touched on on all the big ones are
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you know I thought about it a little bit
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from the perspective of a kind of which
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captain has had to kind of overcome some
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of the biggest challenges and you know I
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think Francisco is is kind of Jane well
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you know we talked about that her
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challenges as being stranded far away
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the unique thing but Ben Sisko deals
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with some of the most like kind of
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ruthless and vicious things throughout
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the war that to me really stand out as a
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captain especially the the episode in
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the pale moonlight where he assassinates
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a Romulan ambassador and I don't know if
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anyone else would do that of the other
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captains and you know I guess it's up to
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you is your moral code if that's a good
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captain I think in terms of like he will
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preserve Starfleet and do whatever he
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can at you know at all costs as long as
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a goat get caught I'm gonna go with him
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Picard has always had a soft spot in my
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heart as the kind of like wise and
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courageous you know smart guy who's
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going to use science and talking to
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solve problems but Francisco overcome
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some real problems that you know I don't
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know if the car could have stood up to
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Picard never punched you
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so yeah no no I just saw this episode he
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doesn't usually it's true that
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ambassador and obsess inated but you
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know he was trying to like get him
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removed or I'm trying to remember the
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specifics like he tries to fake the
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hollow chip and you know figures out to
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fake and then he ends up being
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assassinated is leaving and Cisco's
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actually very upset about the right
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Cisco doesn't sense right right
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he sets up the conditions in which it
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can happen right here and he engages in
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espionage and starts to document it all
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and then chooses not to write erase log
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and race look very nice
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I Scott what what captain do you have
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well I have a captain who i believe can
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fall into both categories
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oh because i like to do double duty at
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the only reason i am choosing him is
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because i find to be using and that is
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Captain styles of the USS excelsior who
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is best like forming a baton around the
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bridge for no apparent reason
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forget that he also he also works on his
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fingernails and he does yeah he is a
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cocky he is probably the worst that
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things that you could find an officer
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given the plum assignment of
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happening Starfleet's fanciest fastest
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ship and he gets his comeuppance in one
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of the few highlights of star trek 3
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captain styles amuses me to no end
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and so I don't why would be best
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pictures EMES as you can see amuses me
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there's no rice is all subjective
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alright there we go
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I you know I i can i can see some value
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in that choice there are things from the
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tos movies that I find more entertaining
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than entire seasons of some of the later
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TV shows like Star Trek one the the guy
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who holds a ring that has never ever
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mentioned again in Star Trek lore bill
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i'm commander Starfleet what is
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commander Starfleet internet
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automatically as a comment there it's
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it's like the Doctor Who of 2030 78 or
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but scarcely for my potential let's just
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assume that they discontinued that rank
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because it sounded ridiculous scott i
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have to say that when when I was
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discussing this with my family dinner
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tonight
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I i said for example you didn't you
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wouldn't have to pick one of the lead
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actors in one of the series you could
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pick something like Jim sicking as that
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guy who runs the Excelsior until you
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take in star trek 3 not realizing how
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completely insane you would be in
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choosing captain styles or you could
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pick the far superior captain of the
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Excelsior hello captain with us was
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going to say yours that'll shoot those
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torpedoes
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i I'm picking my also i love the
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Excelsior so I like both captain's both
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known captains of the Excelsior but you
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gotta figure I mean the only time we see
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him he's kind of a buffoon but he has
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been somewhat decent to get command it
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right it's an experimental ship know ask
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before he's the Dudley do-right of
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Starfleet yeah or the zapp brannigan
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that Starfleet officers are not very
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space is dangerous and a lot of the a
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toys lot of gear great ships lot of lot
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of computers that do the work for you
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there's a huge repercussions throughout
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Starfleet by a lot of people who want
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to be Kirk and that that has like
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there's just a lot of space yeah we
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never seen like they don't get out of
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the solar system because he manages
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worked for Kirk there's a generation of
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captions and idolized him and you have
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inside my ship a small quantity of flurb
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Almighty and it will their firing
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captain oh damn so you basically have
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like hundreds of captains who have died
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terrified of that and are therefore like
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cowardly and Craven with no middle
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that's what Starfleet certainly doesn't
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produce the middle ground I love it I ok
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since he hasn't been chosen even though
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this is not a draft i'm going to say
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gianluca card because although i love
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captain kirk i also love Captain Picard
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for different reasons
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he's great great actor playing him had
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the if we're going to say Kirk started
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it all and without without that
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character in that show there would be no
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more star trek i have to say i think the
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the active following an iconic character
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like that when you're trying to start
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star trek again and people are like
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there's this bold English guy with a
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French name as the captain of the
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enterprise you're crazy and you know
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what path patrick stewart want us over
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because that character and his and his
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performance and taking that character
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seriously is one of the things that
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allows you to take Star Trek The Next
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Generation seriously especially that
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first season or two when it's kinda
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rough sledding
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so I mean I think I think we can take
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him for granted and I also really love
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his you know his some of his later work
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where he's being tortured and there are
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four lights and when he is he's a nice
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clean master you haven't been abducted
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by the Borg and i really like his uh his
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stuff in star trek first contact as well
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I think he does a really good job with
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that Nobel a line meaning to be drawn
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here ah I remember when Deep Space nine
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first started and I think I was probably
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like 12 or 13 and like one of the first
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things we learned about cisco was that
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he doesn't like Picard yeah I was so
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angry about that cause like I doesn't
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make any sense
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I don't understand and like I loved that
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DJ and I well I was too young and stupid
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no and like I basically didn't come back
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to deep space nine till like eight years
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later then as I call it turns out well
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you're Tony not that great
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I don't worry i'm tony really liked
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Captain Picard you really like Captain
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Picard he used words and science to
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solve all my problems
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the lowest rated episodes of the next
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generation but family is one of my
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favorite episode yes that is one right
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after the world part 3 essential yeah
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where he goes home and and it's him and
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his brother wrestling in a vineyard
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getting drunk on wine and wrestling a
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vineyard I can see why you know a lot of
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fans ago
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yeah i'm gonna throw and stuff up but
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it's fantastic
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I one of one of the few instances of me
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abusing my power you know moderating
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stuff for comic conventions and
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everything was was me asking the guy
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that runs the Dallas contract hey can
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you introduce me to the star trek TNG
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people's manager just so that i can say
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hi to patrick stewart because seeing him
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in in my formative years as an actor
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silly stuff that I like and that I would
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you know someday you'll want to do there
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is real craft and dedication and it made
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me double down on I guess my dramaturgy
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as a as a young actor and getting to to
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talk for a few minutes of patrick
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stewart for me was it was this you know
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what the one of the few things that I
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really wanted to do I want to be able to
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shake his hand and and do the stupid fan
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you know you mean so much me kind of a
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thing without it being like you know a
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marriage proposal that and you it really
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it was really really special for me
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watching him put 10 times the effort not
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just from the first season all the way
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through the whole thing then just about
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anybody else in the cast was just
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training is baked into him and the
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training that that that came through on
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screen and it's something that you know
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that it's something that i recognized in
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avery brooks to he came from the same
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kind of powerfully classical theater
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training and it that that for me changed
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reruns of the original show which was
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funny people in polyester jumping around
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and you know flirting with girls damn
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well put
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yes yes it was a lot of things the
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things we forget his Shatner was a
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Shakespearean trained actor from Canada
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EP was submitted well that's a couple
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steps down Shakespeare's different
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categories lot more positive we should
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we should move on i think those i think
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i'm glad we got gave some honor to lots
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of Starfleet captain's there i think
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that's gonna accept Archer experience
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let's give some dishonored now you still
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dishonor Brianna would you like to
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dishonor somebody this boy when I now
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know you know I think something is
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really interesting about all the the
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star trek captain's is I think all of
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them are good you know I you know even
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Archer stuff i standing under a hand I
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think there's a piece a piece that you
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make the characters if you're you know
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yeah i i'm not one of his fans just like
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watches the the show that I like the
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best and then tunes the rest of the
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mountain you know I've seen all the Star
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Trek's multiple times at this point you
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really don't understand these characters
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um I i can say so i have to kind of
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evaluate this question me know like I i
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run a company so is i watch these star
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tracks I off and think about these
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people and who they are is leaders and
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you know while Kirk come seems more like
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a frat boy than a captain sometimes I
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think he's a good leader you know he
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really believes in the mission he he
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makes calls that are difficult Picard i
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think really came introduce this
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archetype of the adult in the room that
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will like compromise on things and think
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through things and put his ego aside but
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when it comes to being actual beater
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have to say I think Cisco is the one
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that brings the least of those qualities
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forward I'm if you look at the arc of
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this character it's very much about him
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and become uncomfortable being the
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emissary the and you know his kind of
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internal struggle with now if you look
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at the way he
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he handles conflict with this crew is
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kind of like leaning back and having a
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he's always kind of a hands-off kind of
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leader in a lot of ways and um you know
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I don't think he's lucky the way that
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car keys but I I just think there's
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there's less deliberateness to his
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choices so while I think they're all
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good i think he would be the one that I
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would least you know pick to like run a
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starship
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well that's why I get stuck on a space
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station so I mean I might only let him
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to occasionally drive the starship but
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resident I'm it's just stay here at your
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station its a bright when he's also he
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doesn't start as a captain yeah it
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becomes a captain partway through the
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series he's a commander so it's in in a
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way it's it's him learning that yeah
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anyway he also has that kind of I mean I
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think Jane we had even more exciting
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version of it but he has that kind of
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interesting mission where you're not
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going to be on a spaceship you're going
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to be on this space station with a bunch
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of other non-federation characters
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hanging around and even your crew is
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going to have you know jordans and
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there's gonna be all these political
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things whereas it's not like the car
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gets to drop in for episode solve the
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problem and like head out it's like no
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you're going to be brokering peace here
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for like years
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right that's it is kinda like you know
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deep space nine is kinda like Casablanca
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we rise he has to be both Rick and
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Captain Renault so like he can't just
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come in and like throw punches because
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it's like that he's going to be mopping
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that up for forever right for years I i
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guess it's just when i think about what
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makes a good character
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I mean ways karks law Kirk is like ruled
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by emotions and impulses in anyways was
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Picard's flog you know he kind of has
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that rage sometimes ease hurting he can
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you know sometimes let that anger that's
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inside of him kind of go a little bit
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too far though it's you know buried
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underneath all this diplomacy I'm you
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know Archer harbors a lot of frustration
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at the the Vulcans for keeping their
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people down and you know Janeway is kind
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of her idealism
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morality can kind of get in the way the
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mission when think about cisco um I i
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see this theme repeating with this
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character where it's more about how he
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feels like you mentioned the the episode
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where he was debating like assassinating
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someone that episode is very much framed
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in terms of how Cisco himself feels
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about the emotional cost of watching
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Federation soldiers died how he feels
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making these choices
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it's not really ever about the greater
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mission is like the mission is why he
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hurts so i'm AI think that all those
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things make that character less
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compelling for me personally and I mean
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honestly part of archers things that
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he's depressed being Archer burn
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I don't maybe it's that they try to do
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too much with cisco right i mean there's
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at first it's he's got this anger
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because it is wife is dead and then
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there's the reconciling with it you know
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you know being captured / commander /
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being a father until they they kind of
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try to do a lot of things with him and
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maybe that is why sometimes it suffers
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but it to me that makes it a little more
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interesting but maybe it makes it a less
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cohesive character and yeah and and
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there's you know that they didn't really
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have a clear idea of where coming they
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go okay he's a non-believer and he's
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trapped as an emissary and he has to
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balance that but they never really
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figured I mean they sort of made the
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whole religion thing up on on the fly in
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or at least it seemed like that and so
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that was kind of a weird tension and and
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he himself never quite and maybe this is
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just every Brooks coming here he never
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quite seemed like the non-believer he
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seems so mellow and and going ok I'm
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rational I'm calm but I'm okay with this
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i get i get the emissary thing you know
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he never seemed comfortable being
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alright let's let's move on David do you
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have a worst captain for us
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oh yes oh yes and no no it is not a
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captain from one of the series it is a
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captain who only appeared once as far as
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i remember and could not apparently make
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a decision on his own
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you're not taking Alan rock are you I'm
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taking out on right Jon Arryn that was
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gonna be I thought it was not a draft
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it's not a draft another grab taken to
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that's right captain of the enterprise
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be you know and it's over bad captain he
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has to turn to kirk and say oh you give
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the order to go out he's like Kirk is
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like no no this is your shadows like
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Isles you have to assume that he has
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talents and is just completely flummoxed
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in the presence of Captain Kirk right
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he's like he's like no no I think he's
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like detective bailiffs on homicide he
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was in the mayor's detail and he gets he
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gets his pic right and so he picks
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homicide well Harriman pic spawning to
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be the enterprise and so everything he
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turns to Kirk what should i do what
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should I do
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well son you're gonna have to take risk
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if you want to sit in that seat i'm
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going to go into engineering and save
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everybody and die but you have to make a
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decision
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damn it
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and he goes off and then he gets sucked
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into the nexus and into a really bad
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movie but yeah it's not yeah it's
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narrated well anyway it's under yeah
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it's not that it's it's not unselect
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shinai got but ya know it he's just oh
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my god and it can be on your inaugural
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flight and turn everything over to kirk
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and then lose Kirk because you're an
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well that's my worst captain he's no
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good to captain the enterprise and you
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lose Captain Kirk on top of your ship
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gets like blown into I mean half i mean
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that's that's just you know your ear the
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jinx your the cousin Oliver of Starfleet
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after that you lost Kirk you never live
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that down
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well to be fair it was basically a
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photo-op voyage
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yeah he's not prepared for any of this
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and according to his character
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background he has I'd he's a spent his
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childhood reading about the exploits of
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kirk and friends and so to have his hero
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standing on the bridge and hovering
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behind it or at least the three who
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would show up anything he's the guy with
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the flurbin might yes that's right we
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could totally do that
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yeah i know it didn't work like every
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other like every other starship captain
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that you know he dies on the next
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mission sure if they even let them pile
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of the ship at that point yeah so he
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kind of runs into danger because I'm not
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living down the whole career alright
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well as long as he doesn't load the ship
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to Ferris Bueller to drive around not
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just put it in reverse and they want to
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know except yep the window is you have a
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bad captain for me
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well now a lot of a lot of really great
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bad captains have been chosen already
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angry exception of Francisco just say
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I'm just saying error was made
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if i were to choose if i were to choose
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it is a little bit off the wall ability
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it also has a great deal of thought
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behind it
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I i am kind of forced to choose just
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about every Klingon bird-of-prey command
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in the history of Star Trek because it
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can you look at the record in confidence
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of the Federation the Romulans even the
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flag shoes and the the Klingon
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bird-of-prey commanders all could have
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Kirk dumb luck every once in awhile but
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in terms of across-the-board competence
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the closest be the closest you get is
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general training who dies by bloviating
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yeah he's still he's still the wallet
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while a torpedo is about to blow up the
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ship all he does this shouts Shakespeare
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across the radio and he doesn't even
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know where Shakespeare came from now
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none of that Canadian Shakespeare yes my
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idea captain a general Eiling on
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Shakespeare and Canadian shakes we're
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very similar I said I had a lot of
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concerns about like the way Klingons
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with wrangle for control and command
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like how well that would actually really
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stand up in space especially because I
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feel like like probably Klingon culture
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like doesn't really prize a lot of their
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engineering either so like like how
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structurally sound of those chips that
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you know there were tussling and like
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you think they need to come together a
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little bit more as a team you know or at
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least decide like the rules need to be a
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lot more formal for like you know where
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we can start budgeting and well calluses
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rules for having recently watched Star
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Trek three christopher lloyd is the
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Klingon bird-of-prey captain and that
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one he's he's so mad a captain kirk that
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he decides two to beam down to leaving
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the ship of manned entirely by malts
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Ivor malts anyway John volts jungles
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until you mr. Lloyd left john bolton
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I mean that was his first mistake please
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John Larroquette in charge and goes down
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because all the Klingons are sitcom
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actors in that 1i don't really
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understand that and just so he can like
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have a fistfight with Captain Kirk that
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is not good commanding makes sense never
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leave Dan fielding in charge of the
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Chanel what it what it really comes down
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to in the chatroom the chatroom the chat
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room is getting ahead of me in my notes
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the one exception is martock martock is
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the greatest yelling on star ship
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commander that their empire has ever
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seen by far
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you know he knows what he's doing so my
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pic has to be every Klingon bird-of-prey
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commander other than Martok
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at core Core oh ok except for more than
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a little trouble with with minor
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exceptions for the vast majority of Star
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Trek history the worst captain's arrived
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on birds of prey what we've learned is
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that while Starfleet captains are
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problematic and we question the the
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competency of their crews you got
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nothing compared to the Klingon can I
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say this every writer on Star Trek ever
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has been racist against Klingons yeah
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those bastards those great that's better
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and more
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Ranma except for Ronnie Moore yeah if
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Ron Moore had his druthers the Klingons
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would take over the Federation and they
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would be the focus of all of it i wish i
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had more was a little more racist
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against Klingons that would provide the
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URL incomparable goes races are just
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running water haha
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Star Trek's where the episodes about
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your honor the captain's that's what I
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want more of Tony bad captain me kid
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point of order give a Commodore
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captain's a ship does he count as a
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Gaston yes all right I'm gonna go with
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Commodore Decker Commodore yeah of who
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and I think you know I think you can
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pick up a lot on how Kirk gets to be a
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captain if somehow we let guys like Matt
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Decker because even higher rank 0
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because he made a lot a lot of really
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poor decisions and I know that like they
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kind of cascade Commodore Decker is the
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he's the captain of I think it's the
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constellation yeah he comes face-to-face
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with a giant you know space corner
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office waste any planets and he beams
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his crew to the safety of the planet
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even though like the thing he's fighting
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really looks like it could be a planet
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and then surprise that doesn't go well
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for that and then he later takes control
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of the enterprise because he's a jerk or
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he's grieving right one of those um but
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I it seems like he probably I feel like
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he probably rubber-stamped a lot of Kirk
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promotions and that you know in the end
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it doesn't go well for him and there's a
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great scene where Kirk or Spock to have
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been relieved of duty but he is he
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yeah I don't know how he got to go to
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not only be captain but up to Commodore
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clearly Starfleet has some problems now
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this is the question that plagued me
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since 1979
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is will Decker Matt Decker's son
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yes that explains a lot of the
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assumption that is the assumption actual
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and they all felt bad for him and a
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rubber stamp him to captain yeah and
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then he went off and was hard in those
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days you know they didn't let any women
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be captain so you just cut fifty percent
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of your total population down and so you
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know a lot of people got promoted up so
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that's a great sorry she could have had
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a full life as much as any woman's I
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want to I want to hear more about the
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the sexist will take care of Starfleet I
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really want i want that to be a movie in
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our idealized talking future except
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great one part right sorry yeah Scott
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give me a bad captain I think that's one
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of the key components of captaining a
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starship is being able to tell how many
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planets are in a star system
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oh yeah and so the captain that fails
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that most spectacularly is captain
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Tyrell of the USS reliance yeah who has
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no idea that the planets missing in the
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star system planets folks count decides
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to beam down meets con quickly is a has
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a worm in his ear and gets turned over
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to come he does he does redeem himself
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by killing himself 55 those things do
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not a good captain make space is not the
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planet two things cities
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yeah that was counting on and no
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Congress because josh i don't think it's
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the captain's job to can't count planets
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I feel like there was an incident side
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to that and you love checking was justly
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now Delta mately somebody needs to well
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if you're the captain you should really
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know what star systems your entire job
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is just going from star systems star
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system scanning planets to make sure
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that their life in the lifeless you
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should probably capital he may have
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cultivated the wrong talent but I mean I
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just you know I don't think it's not his
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job account planets that's not an
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executive-level decision but the
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gold-pressed latinum stops here
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I i think you're right i I think that's
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a good one I'm going to take another so
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we can move on to the next category
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another quick pic for me I thought about
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bad captain kirk the half of him are
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removed by the transporter accident and
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turned into government someone eyeliner
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and lots of shouting
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and lots of saurian brandy but i'm going
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to with Captain Ron Tracy you may know
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captain from a very terrible actually
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episode of Star Trek the original series
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one of those ones that Briana probably
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was forced to watch by her husband where
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they beam down to a planet turns out
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there's a Starfleet captain from the
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from the from the US exeter captain
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Tracey who has become a warlord on a
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warlike planet where the Yang's and the
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combs are locked in eternal struggle a
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terrible episode got her mad happen
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that's a bad captain because he
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basically like goes completely native
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and is like taking over with these
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warlords and and is a is the bad guy and
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I I even wonder how gene roddenberry I
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mean this was from his story
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well he was he was obsessed with that
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story was one of the original milan
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trips and script and then they kept
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saying no we don't like this story that
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don't do this story and it was it was
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like what the middle of the second
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season that they made it was obsessed
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with it i think it's symbolic that your
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pick for worst captain has to do with a
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Roddenberry obsession which is among the
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worst things to ever befall started this
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is a for those who don't know this is
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the episode where it turns out that
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there's an American flag because this is
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one of those parallel universe or
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parallel planets where it is totally
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earth except with I don't know how do
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they not noticed with different
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continents but with the same nice jog
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raphy the same flag will they have
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veggie rice so we plug meestah I weren't
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sun worshippers uh anyway that's a
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totally different a different episode
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but any other episode not great but yes
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anyway so I'm going to pick him he's a
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bad captain he shouldn't be remembered
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fondly and his family doesn't get a
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pension I'm and just I'm sorry that has
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to be how it is
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let's move on to aliens we're going to
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talk really quickly about best and worst
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aliens moisture is when you go first
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no best or worst best best I not
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skirting the the probable popular
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favorites just for the sake of doing so
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but because of the introduction of a
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couple of absolute favorite in all of
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Star Trek characters i have to pick as
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best aliens the Cardassian because
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without their introduction we would not
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have to contact and we would
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and have Derek who are two of the most
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emotionally complex and personality
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complex characters in all of the star
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trek series for me that's that's the
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simple quick and dirty answer that that
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doesn't have a whole lot to back it up
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other than than selfish joy at what the
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into the introduction of that race
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brought us in the form of more more more
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depth to the tapestry of of one of the
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series I like that they're introduces
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this you know Marshall race that's kind
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of their awful with weird goatees and
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stuff that I'll get recommend i really
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like that they are that they have a
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revolution back home I think that's
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really neat that's a fun thing that
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happens in deep space nine is that they
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have their revolution and they overthrow
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the military government I think that's
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kinda cool but a Cardassian like kind of
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this this weird sin in some places
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allegory for saudi arabia iran iran
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especially i would say if you're looking
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at middle eastern countries that have
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those kinds of popular uprisings and
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iron fist dictatorships that follow them
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yeah that that have that kind of
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devotional nature to them that there was
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something that especially as deep space
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nine was running was what made them more
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interesting to me as more than just
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another wrinkly forehead i'm just a
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simple tailor its scott the best until
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seasons you know it's not the best alien
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with the Kardashians were were on my
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list as well they were in second place
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to the Romulans which I enjoy kind of
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you know the the bad Vulcans the Vulcans
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that that feel they have a Star Empire
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they have cool ships they have shoulder
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place would be Garrick and ducati the
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Cardassian for me because again it's the
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same it's the same thing they're
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interesting characters within this
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larger race and they're different than
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eight and they bring in again that depth
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first year and a half so alright that's
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iip can't go wrong with the Vulcans Tony
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yeah I I'm gonna go with the the board
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as kind of the best villain you know I
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bynar sweet hopefully we don't go back
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to them alot and and there's something
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figure out what they're gonna do with it
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thoughts on the worst aliens but the
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they have like the singular vision for
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them is this villain is forcing their
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kind of the the anti-federation right
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cooperated solve problems it's like now
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we are working out you will be absorbed
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into this unified evil and they probably
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go back to the board well a little bit
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more than that they should you know i
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love deep space nine a lot which is you
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know does not have a lot of bourget
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compared to other stuff but I think
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they're they're pretty well playing this
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represent board free
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yeah so I'm going with the board all
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right Briana you have a best alien for
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me I have to agree with that i think the
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Borg when the board show up that's when
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Star Trek gets home
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it's real
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it's the best episode of TNG I had the
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best of both worlds is when Voyager gets
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awesome you know
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unquestionably I think it's up to debate
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with the very best Star Trek movie is
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but your first contact is in the running
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yes and I i think that I I thought a lot
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about what makes the board so compelling
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and I think Star Trek more than any
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other science-fiction theme it's really
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about you know it's it's a great
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metaphor for Humanity in the different
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personality types and racial complex and
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things like that that we that we have
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great like analog to that is the stakes
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are so high because all of that
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individuality is just a race with them
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they're not just a threat to your race
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their threat to end of a verizon
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everything reality exactly a huge no
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theme of Star Trek is the individual and
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discovering you know the individual that
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Spock Sark that seven of nines arc you
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know this jazzy is arc in the sick huge
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theme within the show so I i think i
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know it's a predictable answer but I
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think it's very defensible answer agree
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if this was a vote
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the board would have just one how many
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the the only reason is what winning
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feels like the only reason that I would
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have held off picking them is that call
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me star trek racist but but I I i have
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trouble thinking of of things that are
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artificial intelligence as alien
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sentient beings and that's just because
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I i guess i have an inbred prejudice
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against robot but the board challenge on
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the boards of cyborg i'm not saying that
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one singles reasonable Jason what I'm
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saying is I'm admitting that i'm going
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to get and I sorry
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shame on you boys I'm sorry excellent
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choice and you should have picked it to
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it is i just have to have something
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resistance is futile i'm changing my
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answer i think Briana you made one of
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the good things about Voyager and star
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trek first contact is I feel like they
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redeem the board after next generation
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kind of lost track what to do with them
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well you know I kind of like the hue
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bored episode but it opens this like
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opens this Pandora's box with the with
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the Lord
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episodes to send ya where the board get
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really kind of d powered and messed up
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and are not as scary as they are and the
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Voyager because voyagers on the run and
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then the end they're scarier and seven
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brings this whole other perspective to
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it that we didn't really get with you or
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with the cards brief time as the board
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and and those stories made the board the
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board we're going as a next-generation
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family they were going in kind of a bad
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direction and the only kinda likes hold
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it back the other direction and the
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man-made the much back to being a
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classic billions they were the beginning
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there's also a really good episode of
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enterprise at the pork butt right but
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they never know really who they are
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because yeah of continuity reasons
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they'll want to take a break for a
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she's like Frank sadness and right yeah
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how you feel how do you feel about
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lasagnas reason just wondering if
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there's any correlation like that love
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the Horta because the Horta is a the
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silicon-based life-form so we truly
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alien life-form it's the monster
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alien life-form it's the monster
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real monster is us because they've been
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taking her eggs as prices and cracking
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them and stuff and just being awful and
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that she's just trying to protect your
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ex man and in the end
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figured things out and she brings back
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how in a blob could steal a very
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specific part from a reactor is beyond
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somebody that you have to think of as a
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it is a blob it is like a big pancake or
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lasagna space lisanna i really love
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working because it is so alien and yet
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in the end it's just a mom protecting
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her babies
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delicious they are what they taste like
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sand Scott that's right
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you have a bad alien for us i have to
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unequivocally pic somewhat related to
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the point that people raised on on some
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alien races just in the other direction
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the beyond her i mean the traveller
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traveller traveller traveller his creepy
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spaceman and it's not because back it's
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necessarily so bad of a character or
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anything it's that he's he's a deus ex
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macking it that's that shows up and then
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just kind of really cute with less
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charisma exactly like he's like he's
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like you know honorable mention cute
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he's cute powerful but our rivers
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naresse yeah yeah he's he's sometimes y
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or 3 z's I could never take this it
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seriously the scenes where he's like
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helping like overclock the enterprise
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really the media
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seriously sup feel loved the electrodes
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so his real name is unpronounceable by
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humans you know
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yeah what yeah what do you think Wesley
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wanted to go off to military school
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after you get back from hanging out you
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know that guys are always on you have
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your gap year and then you go to college
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yeah your gap year is traveling the
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universe with the traveler learning to
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open your mind to new community should
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be ready for every I just look at your
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vm yeah
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Wesley did get credit it turns out for
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traveling you have to major in traveling
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though unfortunately that's the downside
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de traveled the untold mysteries of the
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multiverse and then he comes back and
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decides you know what I want to go to
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what so in where no one has gone before
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the traveler is kind of interesting
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because he's this weird like you know
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over this weird alien with powers was
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behind it all
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and.and you think like wow I wonder if
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you'll ever come back wouldn't that be
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interesting and the answer is no not
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really that interesting when he comes
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he's much less interesting well man it's
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gonna be so cool hey its back up off
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wesley crusher cuz I'll defend him don't
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let him to the death no it's just the
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traveler out not a not okay alright with
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you there with your right scott give me
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a bad alien i have on my notes here
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whatever Neelix is Maxie and relaxin why
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we're always made me even the chatroom
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knew I didn't want I blocked it out of
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my memory and I didn't want to bother to
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look at me but that seemed easy too easy
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of a choice
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oh how what are you looking to do
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especially so I'm picking the assurance
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or they were on my list they were my
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oh yeah
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wow yeah that was there the wrinkly no
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space is because they're boring Scott it
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is because they are obscenely boring i
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love deep space 9
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I hate any bridge or in religious
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centered episode of deep space here let
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me let me feel your palm
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no that's operate no no I don't care
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about the kinds i don't care about the
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orbs I don't care about the earrings i
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like here in the reefs as a character
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think she's a great cast but the Jordans
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as a whole so boring
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yeah more like it bore jordans uh-huh
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the last thing I wanted to hear Jadzia
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Dax a was major Kira it's vetiver aisle
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are you know that's not what about war
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orphans how do you feel about war
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orphans
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no I think they're they're really only
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interesting in relation to the the
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Cardassian yeah and I when you put those
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two together they're kind of like Batman
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and the Joker you know like yeah it's
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going that bad man in this tonight yeah
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i don't think i might take offense at
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yeah well I Val Kilmer Batman I think
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that they have a lot of anger
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frustration in oppression that's
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interesting as characters but yeah i
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agree that like is it as an alien
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species in and of themselves they're
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they're just kind of boring like they
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don't really have a trait you know they
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exist to be oppressed like they're not
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nearly as rich in texture as the
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Cardassians are not just talking about
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their facial applications then one of
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just isn't as much to them unfortunately
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one of the problems that the Deep Space
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Nine Riders had is they were sketching
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out gold ducat as you know this awful
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guy that the audience should hate and he
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keeps talking about how many jordans
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he's killed but the audiences love them
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because everybody doesn't like the
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shorts there's some interesting things
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happening because they they have so
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little personality other they're great
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cooks and they're very spiritual nice
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pacifist people but what did they ever
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do for anybody really can we ask i think
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that's the issue is i think the majority
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are kind of an enemy to drama in and
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they tried they had checked terrorists
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and things like that but I never really
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believed that the majority's were really
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you know tough or problematic in anyway
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because they wanted to make them like
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these they're very spiritual people and
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they just
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got out of this planet wide occupation
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so they're all just about being happy
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now man
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and here is an interesting character
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because she's a military person who kind
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of fights against some of the
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stereotypes of her people but the people
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themselves
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yeah that was there was an awful lot of
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the German stuff in deep space nine that
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was boring
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there's also the tricky thing there were
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like they're kind of setup is like it's
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gonna be interesting because they're
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going to be working with the Federation
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but they're not going to join the
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federation it's like you have invested a
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lot of Star Trek and basically selling
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us on how great the Federation usually
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is and you haven't really given us an
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interesting idea for why these guys
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don't want to join the federation other
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than that can be a point of tension
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right now the episode where Cara goes
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undercover with the monkey with a bunch
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of merger with Jordans and there's this
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old man who kind of reminds her of her
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dad and he cooks for he's a great cook
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and and she starts to kind of go native
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with the revolutionaries there was no
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clear motivation as to why she had
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changed other than maybe I was really
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that good of a club and that there was
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never any cell to me a sports sports the
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response ok
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must've been the sports but for me there
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is no cannon radiated there's no cell to
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me of what their real motivation was
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other than they were the oppressed and
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served an outline purpose of being the
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oppressed there was there is no great
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amazing but Jordan episode the Jordans
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just were because they kind of had to be
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to serve a functional yes and like you
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could have probably done something
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interesting about like we just got out
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from under Cardassian rule obviously the
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Federation is great but like we need to
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figure out who we are and like and
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something like that but that's not in
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there right a little too seen saintly
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for me too
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yeah you know I i did i just felt like
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they were never meant to be an opponent
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of the Federation and so they were then
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sort of less interesting because they
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were like our bodies on that planet down
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yeah every every time we really dealt
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with jordans for the most part it was
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sort of like the difference between
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dealing with vatican city and dealing
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with a church halfway around the world
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they were always dealing with the Pope
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and how much experience do you have with
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this and find out just taking notes like
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you're not dealing with everybody else
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on the planet you're just dealing with
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the veteran in the chi is it's like who
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series that's not interesting but the
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majority's header had a pope that didn't
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add that had lots of free time lots and
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lots of a three-time two rooms major
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religiously based spaceballs potato
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David you have a bad alien free
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oh yes we sort of hinted at him before
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he is the more charismatic traveler I
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hate Q I enjoy q but I hate Q because he
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is a deus ex machina I mean the first
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time we meet the Borg it's because he
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flashes over there and the only way the
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enterprise gets away is that he goes
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snap and they go away
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no no no no and a major almost every
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time once in a while I would like a
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queue episode my favorite q episode is
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the only one except the finale that is
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not titled with Q opposites tapestry
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that's a great one and you know and and
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even even the finale has a giant giant
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gap in logic that's a whole other story
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and so that that you know I just I hate
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Q every time because it was just so
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let's let's do Q he's all-powerful and
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anything can happen and you know I loved
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Ben Sisko punching him out for instance
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yeah so you know it was very cathartic
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and i like i like john de lancie thought
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he did a fine job with a problematic
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character maybe a little too far
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sometimes and then the parts of tapestry
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that make me cringe are mostly him being
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silly but yeah I just I I couldn't stand
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it I could I could even take the
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traveler just because he's mellow he
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doesn't really bother you and he goes oh
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yeah by the way I can do this goodbye
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it's like a spa surfer yeah yeah i'm not
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a big fan of you either so I'm not gonna
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lie i don't know if he's the worst but i
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think we set on a previous star trek
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related episode at some point i'm not a
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huge fan because of that but not
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necessarily because of the character
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itself but that it is so powerful that Q
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ends up being a a plot solution and yeah
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those episodes you can almost ignore
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what's the logic because it Q is going
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to solve it in the end I mean is you
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feeling he's not really a villain
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because they can't really fight him
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they can't conquer them they can't you
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mean which is fine that could
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has been interesting but they never did
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anything with it and but again it was a
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rotten very thing so there you go
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Tony available i'm gonna go with the the
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Ferengi yeah there's my back i think i
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mentioned the thing where they like
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sometimes introduce an alien and then
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don't really figure out what they're
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gonna do with them to later and that's
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like they really try to salvage the
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Ferengi were supposed to be clinging
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onto the action they were scary yeah see
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how that worked out great
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they had those whips that will never see
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interesting look at blue whips yeah that
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was kinda cool but they we couldn't take
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them seriously and then they became
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annoying comic relief and i really like
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deep space nine but the Frankie episodes
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are on those are I think those are below
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the click on episode with possible
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exception a little green men they are
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they are painful I i would say i would
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say i don't really agree with that it's
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not because I don't like the Frankie I
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mean I like the Frankie you like you I
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can skip for those episodes because
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there's so much annoying characters and
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by the way the worst episode boys heard
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once with Frankie but i think they serve
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a really vital plot purpose and I think
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like his star trek is really optimistic
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vision of where humanity can go and
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there are a lot of really cool things so
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yeah I was talking on twitter today one
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of the things I really enjoy about Star
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Trek is when you know like they're all
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working on the ship together like the
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men justice in the women know what
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they're doing which is a really cool
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awesome future so and I think the
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realm's which make no sense and also
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lightning round before we go we got a
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lightning round where you're going to
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really first officer liaison Chakotay
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people who have probably the most to
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getting the original series to be what
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unpublished you do you know like around
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even doesn't do lightning
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because I just blanked on overrated
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Michael piller in a unique and
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generators had showrunner that deserves
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radically more credit than he's given
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for doing new and interesting and
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different things with Star Trek than
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people we would like to say well chapter
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in verse this is the way this is
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supposed to go and so on and so forth a
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brilliant mind a brilliant person from
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from the opinions of everybody who
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amazing star trek under his tenure i
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that every series has to feature a
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starship called enterprise i think that
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that kind of slavish devotion kind of
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dovetailing with with the gene
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is keeping star trek off of television
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central tenets that that super super
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slave Ashley quote-unquote traditional
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fans like to cling to whenever something
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new different challenging or that better
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reflects our modern world is introduced
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back to things that Roddenberry said but
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that I think other people came up with
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in Roddenberry's swiped because that's
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where he got a lot of his best ideas
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which is that Star Trek shooting some
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way reflect the times in which it is
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placed and some of the very changes you
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know the fact that there is this big war
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thing going on deep space 9 various
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social issues that would be introduced
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things that Roddenberry himself would
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fight against during the short amount of
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time he was actually on next-generation
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mostly having to do with women's roles
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on on the ship those the there's this
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amazing paradox that again talking back
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to run Barry thing that comes from this
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after saying oh it should be this
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broadly accessible thing that somehow
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attaches itself to the times in which we
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live and the changing world in which we
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live but then it suddenly becomes an old
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man who gets more conservative as he
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gets older and as well buttered also be
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like this all right I think that's a I
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think that's a good one Briana you want
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to come back with underrated since over
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here doing both
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alright i'm just going to give you
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voyager is going on and I have spoken my
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piece of the aperture on many occasions
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but i would like to do very briefly have
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a wider philosophical arguments about
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starter I'm water eastern lightning
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philosophical lightning too haha that's
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our new podcast series a lot of a lot of
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Star Trek fans on you know they're
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typically a little bit older and they
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typically really love tos and they
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really love tangi but there's a there's
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a theme of Star Trek well of that kind
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of Star Trek fan being eternally unhappy
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with new star trek as it comes out
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remember when Deep Space nine came out
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and people are screaming Aaron Voyager
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came out and people screaming remember
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when enterprise came out and people were
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screaming scream to TNG to I have my
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website back but now looking at the
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culture easy see these especially
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Voyager and enterprise
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it's just held in hate and I think that
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I you know it's like you complain when
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these shows are on the air and now we
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haven't had new star trek on television
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for a really long time now i'm even
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think you see this with the movies to a
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certain extent like generations was
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pilloried insurrection was pillory he
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had nemesis is pilloried and I think if
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you're mature Star Trek fan i think all
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star trek is good and fun even the
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animated series like even season 3 of
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TLS like there's good to be had there
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it's all enjoyable and I just think that
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like if we really love this
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maybe it doesn't mean like just tearing
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apart for fun maybe it means like maybe
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looking at with a little bit more of a
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mature credit card
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yeah it's a good night appeal to a lot
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of people who i mean like i said i think
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that's what this is a human tendency to
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do this and young people freaked out
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about recasting Kirk Spock and McCoy for
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the JJ Abrams movies too and I've you
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know I think they did a good job but it
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was not it we always change it's
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different and I'm hoping I'm i really
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want them to do a Moises Alou to this
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I'm really want them to do a new Star
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Trek TV series and you know what people
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will freak the hell out about that too
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yeah yeah you know they will imagine a
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casting and writing a star trek series
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in 2015 I mean have been that long since
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enterprises been off the air but on
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another level I feel like enterprise was
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the last gasp of it of an epic vet
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started in 1987 of Star Trek and that
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what we get now is gonna be completely
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as different as a TV was for between now
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in 1987 so I can't wait to see that
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because and people freak out people will
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rage that that that the jonathan frakes
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that roxann dawson that LeVar Burton art
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directing every episode that it's not
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the sand so that the tone of the acting
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is not this and so and it's been off the
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air for so long that i would i would
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love for it to not be not trying to be
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anything but but the the most important
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parts of the court conceit without
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trying to work in as much of the window
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dressing as humanly possible because for
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better or worse that's what we've gotten
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from these restart movies produced by JJ
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Abrams and you know we'll get the three
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installment and then conceivably at that
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point CBS and paramount decide that
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they'll do another series so okay we've
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already traveled this road of let's
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reboot the continuity maybe let's either
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throw the continuity out or go into the
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future of Voyager and just keep moving
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beyond I i want to tell a little a
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little story here which is this year
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when i went to the Doctor Who convention
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they asked at the opening session hosted
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hosted by among other people Eric and
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science husband wearing and comfortable
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t-shirt on stage which was really
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awesome
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he asked them to raise their hands if
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they were if they had never been to this
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convention before and half the audience
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raise their hands
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Doctor Who fandom because the show came
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back in 2005 with a complete rethink of
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what it meant to have that show on the
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air is full and that convention was full
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of young and and i would say more mostly
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even maybe women fans lots of girls and
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women you know 13 225 who are super into
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that show it dramatic and and i'll tell
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you i'm i'm pretty sure in 2005 that
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convention was completely people in
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there you know mid thirties and up and
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pro their Giants car and probably mostly
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men and I let me tell you some people
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have a problem with that because they
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are the diehards in there the old school
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and they don't like the Phantom is
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changing i want Star Trek to live and
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right now as with many things it's
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getting fans of Star Trek or getting a
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year older every year because there are
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no new fans being created because maybe
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there are some with JJ Abrams movies
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that's something but I think you need a
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TV show and you need a TV show that
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modern audiences are going to really
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like I want my kids i would love my son
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to have a star trek show like I had next
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generation when I was in high school and
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college I would love for that to happen
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because that made such an impact on me
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and right now that generation is just
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not Star Trek is not on the radar other
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than yeah that was a good movie that we
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saw a couple summers ago so yeah I'm
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with you I you know I would much rather
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star trek change and grow and stay
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or return to being alive and vibrant and
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then just kind of fade away I just think
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his fans we need to be open-minded and
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accepted star trek surviving it's going
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to mean star trek changing yeah and you
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know it's gonna have to appeal to a
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different audience because it that you
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need enough you know to take all kinds
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to write i think is great the Doctor Who
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fandom actually i think is really good
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in this way that there are a lot of
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people are like hey you like the old
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series you like the new series you like
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both series it's all good you know and
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and I i think they've gotten to that
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point if the most part and that's that's
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healthy and I hope for Star Trek that I
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can like a one-day see a gathering of
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Star Trek fans and not have them all be
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50 year old men who are like oh and i'm
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one of those mid-forties man who's like
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the original Captain Kirk is great yeah
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but that can't be the whole story that
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can't be the whole story or the whole
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thing is is dead
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lightning philosophy we're having a
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version of this conversation in so many
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different franchises we're okay there's
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going to be a new Green Lantern these
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Justice League movies
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Jordan was in that movie that didn't do
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any good
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and a bunch of people who were kids when
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the Justice League animated series came
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out or adults now and they all know
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Green Lantern as jon stewart a black guy
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not a white dude with with with with the
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with white around the windows peaks and
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we're seeing as these franchises
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themselves are taking on the additional
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generations that previously Star Trek
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was pretty unique in it was the one that
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had a bunch of different series and and
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they're there have been a number of
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generations coming through it and I i
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see a version of the same argument with
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different character names and different
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franchises attach them everywhere now
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more than ever
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one that the thing I was going to bring
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up we kind of anticipated where I was
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thinking with Doctor Who because we're
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getting to the point where there's a
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almost the same amount of time between
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the last new star trek and any potential
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new star trek series as the end of
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different from enterprise and Voyager
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all that as new doctor who is from
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classic who it's going to be a different
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pacing it's going to be a different
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style and that's fine and you know what
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that's gotten so popular that they don't
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delay it for we
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day-and-date the 50th anniversary show
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they had to show it simultaneously
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around the world so that there weren't
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spoilers
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that's how popular it is and you know we
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could do that with Star Trek well Jason
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and I was 16 years between the first
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doctor who series going off in the am
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and the new series starting it's been 10
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so yeah I'll say did we just in invent
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reverse tachyon lightning
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yeah that was the worst lightning ever
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tony do you have an overrated thing what
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we're still doing that I thought were on
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philosophy lightning lost it on back to
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that was just a berry big parenthetical
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their footnote I you know like I don't
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know if they're overrated as a episode
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concept or as a technology that they
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allowed to continue to exist but I I
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don't know how any captain allows
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holodecks to be insulted
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like I feel like you know one mishap you
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know 11 Moriarty tries to take over the
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enterprise and it's like walking down
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you know pad lock that door and no one
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comes in here we use it for storing
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waste chemicals or something but there's
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a reason we didn't have these before
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yeah that's especially when it starts
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getting worse when it's like oh no the
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transporter buffer has been overrun and
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somehow the transporter signal is the
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holodeck it's like yeah you know I have
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that problem of time sometimes like my
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microwave back start acting weird and
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like my toast comes out of my sink
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totally happens so often yeah so I just
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I feel like how do they keep letting
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stuff like that exist in the future it
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feels like you know industry safeguards
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are not where I thought they'd be my
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that century I told the holodeck to
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create a villain who capable of
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destroying the ship and it said okay
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yeah also I like that there's in the
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Deep Space nine conceptualisation they
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really wanted to play up the like the
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dirty holodecks that cork has and then
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they're like the people running the
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networker likes please stop doing that
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because that's what properties you know
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weird it's like you know let's talk more
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about that yeah you loved baseball that
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that episode represents like eighty
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percent of what I no i just answered the
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bullet volkens are very good at baseball
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is what I'm saying that's that is twenty
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percent of what I know
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Americans and and then buk buk I from
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the London Kings he's that's not a real
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baseball team right
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no it's okay really spectacular yet you
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have it you have an underrated thing
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Tony I I don't
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oh yeah everything about stark it's
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great for properly read it's not really
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what's your what's your overrated thing
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on the Borg are overrated
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I think Tony talking about how much you
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like the board meant men that they may
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be dangerous got angry Scott it's got
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excited you with you and unraveling and
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this is what I get
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yeah that's right just like a Romulan
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put on the shoulder pads or just keep up
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there like everywhere you turn you you
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you pull up a rug and there's a board
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hiding underneath it you know it's and I
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also think board ships are stupid
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well I think the board cube tray I think
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everything after that was like guys
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why did you have to keep doing that so
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but we gotta sell more models to get
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space alright so Scott thinks about it
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because they're dumber just because
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they're over kind of overexposed you
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said there's turn around there's always
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another board is today the a little bit
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of board goes a long way
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alright just got you haven't an
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underrated Star Trek thing i do I i
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think that the the the design of
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enterprise the series is beautiful
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they had a tough job of kind of creating
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something modern that would look almost
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appropriate before the original series i
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think they did a great job with the set
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and and it just looks great
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it's an awful series but it looks great
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didn't you listen to Brianna come on
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Scott you gotta yeah not agree with
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Briana but you found it you found a
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positive thing to say about the design
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of enterprise the series that's true i
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like all the Star Trek but I also you
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know point out that there are some
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things that are not going to get started
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there's some amazing set design stuff
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that doesn't get its proper yeah it is
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its proper kudos i think is the room I
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see what you did there is it
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ah ok here mine amor this is going to
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really anger Scott haha alright so go
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I was listening to random track in there
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and they didn't know they did an episode
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about me about well it's not in which we
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had host Scott is guest day unknown
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person I don't have nothing just one of
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those people are I think it's the worst
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host Matt Wilson on his guests mat gamel
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talked about all good things the final
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episode of the next generation and so is
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one of the best if not the best
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next-generation episodes and i would say
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it's not in the top 20
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it's fine it is completely overrated all
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good things is ok it's got Q as a plot
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device it's got some fun stuff in the
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future it's got some really unfortunate
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flashbacks to the past but what can you
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do a counterpoint wasn't very good
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I it has a great last seen it but I was
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completely blown away by scott and that
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talking about how it was in the pantheon
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of next generation episode because it
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yeah it wouldn't rate in my top 20 next
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generation episode maybe I'm being a
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little overzealous there maybe not in
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the top 15 had adjacent Snell bird is
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the worst burn maybe you really hate Q a
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lot you saying Scott's overrated I'm not
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following Scott is overrated random
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track is overrated as a podcast that
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episode I love random trek but I i
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thought this cotton and network
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misguided in Jason I'm gonna let you
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finish but you hate Q so much I will
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skin an entire massively well-structured
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series finale completely into the toilet
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for you man is annoying well-struck
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don't know as I said when he might as
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well be in the garbage yeah that's right
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top top 17 of all star trek episode it's
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been made by the next generation but not
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the top
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what a loser fraction to be in yeah I
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might put it in the second seventh on
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the top seven
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yeah well that's what that's what I mean
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yeah if I made a list of my favorite
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next generation episode would be in like
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number 15 number 20 some probably in
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there but it would not crack the top 10
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for sure i think it was a sweet ending
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and it was a good episode but when they
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when they said they released it on
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blu-ray on its own and it was like okay
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whatever best of both worlds i get it
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i'll good things was good
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fine it had lovely moments and even
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though it is Q I don't mind that it had
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q I'm I know that too
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send it off right he was in the pilot
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yeah yeah it made sense but but the
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whole thing the whole story is this
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whole you know time is is you know the
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thing is expanding and contracting and
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running out of time and you gotta get to
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the thing before it vanishes and then up
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conveniently it came back enough long
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enough for them to solve it
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I you know it's it doesn't and it
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ignores its own ticking clock by the end
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I don't hate I don't hate it you I I
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just wouldn't rank it as high as a lot
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of other next generation episode III
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just I can't believe that I can't
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believe it just heard this
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hey I mean Jason Snelling Scott Jason
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smell told you your misguided that's
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like his opinion to go after yourself
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can you even believe we heard that on
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the shell Scott was being polite to Matt
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Scott could recant now and say well Matt
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really loved it i think it's mine but
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Matt's the one who really loved it yeah
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there's no audio record we could consult
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so that's right it's really subjective
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which way which jason if you if you
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believe i'm going to recant you may not
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have been talking to be for several
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years now i believe you are incorrect
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but that's alright as I say out random
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fandom I question it like you're doing
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to me but I don't think so we can have a
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difference of opinion about how good the
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final episode of the next generation was
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right I'm gonna I'm gonna end this on a
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more positive note with my underrated
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thing I i'm going to say and I know this
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is crazy because we could like Scott see
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now i'm gonna side with said that
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nothing is no I don't want this piece no
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enhanced learning spaces just fortuitous
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i'm also going to pick something from
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enterprise that I think is underrated I
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thought about saying the last season of
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enterprises underrated because I did it
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is although fans are going to talk it up
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now because it was it with Manny Coto
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did some stuff that I'm gonna say dr.
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phlox I like dr. phlox I think he's fun
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hehe strange character he doesn't always
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have a lot to do there that episode
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where he's all alone on the ship because
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everybody's asleep
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it's kind of strange but he's a peculiar
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alien who's up for a race that we
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haven't really seen before the DeNoble
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ins he kind of observes our humanity are
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closer to modern-day humanity and
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enterprise
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I think that's a fun character I think
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John Billingsley does a good job
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performing that character
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I think he's underrated in it in a show
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that does not have a lot of characters
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that I particularly like I really like
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dr. phlox and I think that you can't
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just sweep them under the rug with the
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rest of the Enterprise crew i can say is
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the best character out enterprise
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without Wi-Fi Scott whoo
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don't touch me ha ha what one thing i
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was looking forward to with him in
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enterprise was an enemy they didn't
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really accentuate this at all this is
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totally me but I wanted to find out why
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having an argument in enterprise there
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wasn't a denominating any of the future
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quote-unquote future started I'll dot
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happenings you know is there some kind
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of mystery they were building together
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just very quiet race that maybe you know
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maybe there was nothing they just don't
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do anything much you know yeah but but
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you know there was something there that
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was interesting and again it was like no
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here this will go down
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very efficient it's cruel but there's a
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regime change but it's a great concept
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there you go
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mistake big mistake
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alright i'd like to thank my my star
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trek debaters this was a lot of fun we
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need to keep doing this because uh oh
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I'm gonna have to come up with
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increasingly weird things here to defend
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not that David Laura thank you very much
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for being here thank you peace and long
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life is to Leon thank you very much
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be up so i'll give you links I Scott
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melty I appreciate you and you're like
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don't wish this is mirrors yeah jason
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oh well who doesn't come on Scott thank
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you very much for your choices they were
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all very interesting i know you hated
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mine Jason Jason Jason you'll live to
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regret this
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Tony sindelar thank you goodnight yards
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goodnight and Brianna was a pleasure to
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have you back on and thank you for doing
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such excellent defending of various and
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debating of various things I appreciate
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you're quite welcome sure you appreciate
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her I do Scott was also here also
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present I would never want to talk about
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Star Trek uncomfortable without Scott
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that would be just a no-go
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it would not be acceptable that's well
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you may be running into some problems
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no no no no alright and for everybody
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out there thanks for listening
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this is jason still signing off for the
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uncomfortable live long and prosper and
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you know all that other stuff
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Jason a possible uh scenario for a
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future debate club
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was a good episode like this everybody
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if you've reached this far and you don't
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know already we mentioned in the episode
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Scott multi hosts a weekly podcast on
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the incomparable network called random
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track every week Scott any non-random
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guest watching random episode from all
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of the live action star trek series so
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it could be original series next
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generation deep space nine Voyager
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enterprise it's random and a lot of fun
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individual episode breakdown parachuting
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what there is to see it's a lot of fun
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and I encourage you to check it out you
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can go to the incomparable calm / random
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