The Incomparable

242: `B` for Bad Captain


00:00:00   the incomparable number 242 April 2015 [TS]

00:00:11   welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:12   incomparable i'm your host Jason's now [TS]

00:00:13   i'm joined by a panel of fabulous stars [TS]

00:00:16   to talk about star trek with me again [TS]

00:00:17   this is our third installment and what [TS]

00:00:19   we've been calling the star trek debate [TS]

00:00:21   club all just part of a plot to get more [TS]

00:00:25   star trek content on the incomparable [TS]

00:00:27   proper we just did our two-part star [TS]

00:00:29   wars episode 3 episode not too long ago [TS]

00:00:31   the balance is shifting a little too far [TS]

00:00:33   away from Star Trek in my book so we're [TS]

00:00:35   here to debate numerous things and [TS]

00:00:38   settle nothing and and out rate make [TS]

00:00:42   outrageous claims and leave his friends [TS]

00:00:44   while the internet burns probably behind [TS]

00:00:46   us [TS]

00:00:48   joining me to debate various ridiculous [TS]

00:00:50   things in Star Trek are Scott McNulty [TS]

00:00:53   host of our very own random track [TS]

00:00:55   podcast hi Scott [TS]

00:00:56   hello good to have you here it's always [TS]

00:00:59   a pleasure chase David laura is also out [TS]

00:01:01   there hi David there [TS]

00:01:03   Brianna Wu I wouldn't do a debate club [TS]

00:01:06   about Star Trek without you [TS]

00:01:07   what's crackalackin and yeah thanks i [TS]

00:01:11   know your catchphrase some catchphrase [TS]

00:01:14   it's just a way to go did you catch [TS]

00:01:15   phrase just 23 younger game [TS]

00:01:17   I don't know who else would have a [TS]

00:01:19   catchphrase and say to people anyway [TS]

00:01:20   Tony sindelar hello Helen it's it's not [TS]

00:01:26   against reasons just how he says hello [TS]

00:01:27   that's just how i talk an accident and [TS]

00:01:29   moisture is too jaan hai Jason Snelling [TS]

00:01:31   I shall race you around the moons of me [TS]

00:01:34   haha trauma and Harris nebula and round [TS]

00:01:37   perdition's flames before I claim my [TS]

00:01:40   pride spoilers spoilers but I'm laughing [TS]

00:01:45   at the superior intellect indeed that's [TS]

00:01:51   what i'm doing right now this very [TS]

00:01:52   moment Jason how are you doing just fine [TS]

00:01:55   i asked you all to prepare which haha [TS]

00:02:01   i'm not saying you did i'm just saying i [TS]

00:02:03   asked baby it's on us to discuss things [TS]

00:02:07   things in a few different categories [TS]

00:02:09   here so as always on the star trek [TS]

00:02:11   debate clip we're going to talk about [TS]

00:02:12   the best things in the worst things go a [TS]

00:02:14   little positive then make bringing down [TS]

00:02:16   a little bit going to the going to the [TS]

00:02:17   negative then bring it back around more [TS]

00:02:19   positive and i'm down note perhaps [TS]

00:02:21   because that's what we do here i want to [TS]

00:02:23   talk about captains for [TS]

00:02:24   just and and best and worst captains and [TS]

00:02:28   I'm uninterested what you all have to [TS]

00:02:30   say about good captain's and bad [TS]

00:02:31   captain's on Star Trek and to kick us [TS]

00:02:34   off with with captain's I'm gonna go [TS]

00:02:37   with brianna i have ya about what she's [TS]

00:02:39   gonna talk about yeah so tell me tell me [TS]

00:02:41   your best Star Trek captain [TS]

00:02:43   alright alright so the very best Star [TS]

00:02:46   Trek captain besides Mirror Mirror [TS]

00:02:48   Captain Archer who is a pretty awesome [TS]

00:02:51   captain alive like he got some stuff yet [TS]

00:02:54   he got some stuff done [TS]

00:02:56   Rihanna you're gonna mess up where I'm [TS]

00:02:57   going but no one's gonna let go let go [TS]

00:03:00   alright i could go out you don't you [TS]

00:03:02   don't you say you know I'm gonna say is [TS]

00:03:04   Captain Janeway yeah i love captain [TS]

00:03:06   janeway i am passionate about Captain [TS]

00:03:08   Janeway she is i have never talked to a [TS]

00:03:12   woman that doesn't think Captain Janeway [TS]

00:03:14   is like unfairly maligned by Star Trek [TS]

00:03:17   fans listen she has a big mission she's [TS]

00:03:20   like putting this really uncomfortable [TS]

00:03:22   role like being out in the middle of the [TS]

00:03:24   Delta Quadrant with no support and you [TS]

00:03:27   know like she makes it happen like she [TS]

00:03:28   gets her ship and she gets everybody [TS]

00:03:31   home and if I've noticed a trend with [TS]

00:03:34   Star Trek captain's like this happens we [TS]

00:03:36   could with Kirk abs we could with the [TS]

00:03:38   card even happens with Archer that [TS]

00:03:41   sometimes when things get really rough [TS]

00:03:42   like the they kind of just go earn they [TS]

00:03:46   just kind of ground to get it done and [TS]

00:03:48   that's not really the way that Captain [TS]

00:03:49   Janeway runs her ship like she's very [TS]

00:03:52   much more of a diplomat consensus [TS]

00:03:55   builder and i think that there's a lot [TS]

00:03:57   of lessons to learn in the way that she [TS]

00:03:59   kind of you know basically runs things [TS]

00:04:02   and I just think she's a wonderful [TS]

00:04:03   leader I like Janeway I was talking to [TS]

00:04:05   somebody and I think I think might even [TS]

00:04:08   Scott at one point about this that that [TS]

00:04:10   I i think and voyager is not my favorite [TS]

00:04:13   Star Trek and they're there [TS]

00:04:14   we've talked about theories about why [TS]

00:04:16   some people don't like Voyager and some [TS]

00:04:18   people do I think it's fine [TS]

00:04:19   I don't hate it I Janeway to me was [TS]

00:04:22   never an issue with Voyager I think [TS]

00:04:25   she's really great [TS]

00:04:26   I don't think it's her fault Janeway and [TS]

00:04:29   no it unless captain's truly do pick [TS]

00:04:31   every single member of the crew [TS]

00:04:33   it's it's not you know she didn't pick [TS]

00:04:34   Chakotay she just picked him up from [TS]

00:04:36   another boring day she didn't [TS]

00:04:38   probably didn't recruit Harry Kim [TS]

00:04:39   because who would do that [TS]

00:04:41   I mean I think she's the best character [TS]

00:04:43   on Voyager by like I mean I don't I [TS]

00:04:45   don't know who's in second place it's [TS]

00:04:46   like a little design in the doctor I [TS]

00:04:49   think [TS]

00:04:49   ok good characters really good [TS]

00:04:51   characters on Voyager right now Felix no [TS]

00:04:55   no the only problem with Captain Janeway [TS]

00:04:56   is that she's stranded on a bad show [TS]

00:04:59   oh it's not our fault it's not her she's [TS]

00:05:03   a good character trait she is you [TS]

00:05:05   surrounded her with I mean this is my [TS]

00:05:07   this is one of the reasons I don't think [TS]

00:05:08   voyager is as strong as I think the [TS]

00:05:10   supporting cast is good around her and [TS]

00:05:12   if you surrounded her with some of the [TS]

00:05:13   stronger characters from maybe some [TS]

00:05:15   other star trek shows the show would be [TS]

00:05:17   better but that character i like i like [TS]

00:05:19   Janeway a lot i think she was it really [TS]

00:05:21   interesting character her approach and [TS]

00:05:23   Brianna we've talked about this before [TS]

00:05:24   her project to to solving problems into [TS]

00:05:28   dealing with her crew is different from [TS]

00:05:30   the archetypal star trek captain it [TS]

00:05:33   whether it's the the captain kirk [TS]

00:05:35   approach which is a more direct or the [TS]

00:05:38   Picard the consultative kind of Picardy [TS]

00:05:39   person Janeway Janeway has a different [TS]

00:05:42   approach to solving problems in dealing [TS]

00:05:44   with a crew and I always I always like [TS]

00:05:46   that i like i like Kate Mulgrew's [TS]

00:05:48   performance I think she does a good job [TS]

00:05:49   i'm glad that they recast the part after [TS]

00:05:51   two days no yeah the original captain [TS]

00:05:54   was terrible giorgia visual yeah I i [TS]

00:05:57   think that there's a I mean I think [TS]

00:05:59   there's a real market her character [TS]

00:06:01   house lake in the first season of [TS]

00:06:03   voyager is very interesting because she [TS]

00:06:04   finds herself out there alone without a [TS]

00:06:07   lot of the support systems that captains [TS]

00:06:09   typically have and you see her really [TS]

00:06:11   wrestling with moral decisions over the [TS]

00:06:13   course of the show like where she's [TS]

00:06:15   really put in situation's where she has [TS]

00:06:17   to choose between her principles and [TS]

00:06:20   like just doing what's most expedient [TS]

00:06:22   and I think it makes for some great [TS]

00:06:24   television and i just love the character [TS]

00:06:26   but I feel in some in some ways that [TS]

00:06:28   Janeway is I all look at captain is a [TS]

00:06:31   management position and i'm not there [TS]

00:06:33   really boy color is your Starfleet [TS]

00:06:34   parachute but but mainly I don't like [TS]

00:06:37   she was actually like because of the [TS]

00:06:39   heightened stakes of being stranded and [TS]

00:06:42   all that like Janeway was a captain who [TS]

00:06:44   really had to deal with you know serious [TS]

00:06:47   week-to-week management decisions like [TS]

00:06:50   not just how to [TS]

00:06:51   people happy but like you know and not [TS]

00:06:53   just like tricking aliens out of to get [TS]

00:06:56   the ship out of danger but like trying [TS]

00:06:58   to get the the two different groups to [TS]

00:07:00   work together and and and navigate these [TS]

00:07:02   you know making these weird decisions [TS]

00:07:03   about where they were going to go to try [TS]

00:07:05   to get back home and it was it's an [TS]

00:07:06   interesting character for that reason to [TS]

00:07:08   well i mean if if I may say she she does [TS]

00:07:12   a lot with what she's given check out i [TS]

00:07:14   sorry i sorry i'll turn that into a into [TS]

00:07:18   thing and I do my impression of Harry [TS]

00:07:19   Kim now [TS]

00:07:20   hi I'm Harry Kim and I really hope you [TS]

00:07:25   like scan that bulkhead over anybody [TS]

00:07:27   everybody still awake [TS]

00:07:29   that was pretty accurate thank you how [TS]

00:07:31   do you feel about skating thing scared [TS]

00:07:33   of my computers doing some stuff my [TS]

00:07:36   favorite Harry Kim episode is that my [TS]

00:07:38   favorite voyager episodes where Kim dies [TS]

00:07:40   unfortunately there's another Harry Kim [TS]

00:07:42   so anyway uh that's a great one [TS]

00:07:46   let's it's not a draft but that's a [TS]

00:07:47   great that was a great choice David Lord [TS]

00:07:49   you have a best captain for me [TS]

00:07:50   we out yeah because I prepared said I I [TS]

00:07:56   made a joke about this before and and [TS]

00:07:59   the more I thought about it the more [TS]

00:08:00   thought you know Frasier Crane or well [TS]

00:08:04   captain morgan bait some of the USS [TS]

00:08:08   bozeman which is really kelsey grammer [TS]

00:08:10   who is trapped in that temporal rift for [TS]

00:08:14   90 years with his ship [TS]

00:08:16   I kind of think I want to think he's [TS]

00:08:19   from the mirror universe because look at [TS]

00:08:20   his beard and and they're trying to [TS]

00:08:22   completely supported create an incursion [TS]

00:08:25   into the into our universe and you know [TS]

00:08:27   that's that's kind of cool but now it's [TS]

00:08:29   Jim Kirk because you know Jim Kirk is is [TS]

00:08:33   my guy and get again I mean we've talked [TS]

00:08:36   about this before without the template [TS]

00:08:39   there wouldn't be any other series but [TS]

00:08:42   we always pull that one out [TS]

00:08:43   yeah but i will say i like i like all of [TS]

00:08:47   the primary captains in all of the [TS]

00:08:49   series III think they all you know [TS]

00:08:51   they're not exactly like they all have [TS]

00:08:54   different good qualities i don't think i [TS]

00:08:56   could pick a worst one out of them [TS]

00:08:58   although i did pick the worst one [TS]

00:08:59   ha ha [TS]

00:09:01   it might not be one of them who knows a [TS]

00:09:03   but I you know every time I think about [TS]

00:09:09   it I think you know okay i love Picard [TS]

00:09:11   but he's beholden to Q entirely too much [TS]

00:09:15   during the series and and I love cisco [TS]

00:09:18   and i really like Janeway and and I like [TS]

00:09:21   Archer I've like evil nature better but [TS]

00:09:24   he had partial one evil maybe maybe more [TS]

00:09:28   effective into the point Archer is more [TS]

00:09:30   accurate [TS]

00:09:31   that's right understand but it when i [TS]

00:09:35   think about it [TS]

00:09:37   what are the ones that even now I still [TS]

00:09:38   watch over and over I still watch the [TS]

00:09:41   original series over and over I don't [TS]

00:09:43   get tired of it i don't get tired of the [TS]

00:09:45   Bad episodes I can't watch The Bad [TS]

00:09:48   episodes of the new shows i just i can't [TS]

00:09:50   i can't watch the the next generation [TS]

00:09:52   with the by NARS or the one where [TS]

00:09:54   residents steps on the grass and gets to [TS]

00:09:57   read and 11001001 ready [TS]

00:10:00   wait a minute the miners episode is [TS]

00:10:03   amazing that go on [TS]

00:10:05   I I pretty much can't stand anything and [TS]

00:10:08   sees one I pretty much can't stand you [TS]

00:10:10   were broken about raising y'all [TS]

00:10:12   oh hey you know friendly whole world [TS]

00:10:16   hates us but we're staying here I'm just [TS]

00:10:18   like I love him but I died when I am [TS]

00:10:21   laughing at the first season and anyway [TS]

00:10:24   I believe it [TS]

00:10:26   the eat the episode question that [TS]

00:10:27   referring to is called 11001001 in the [TS]

00:10:30   language of the by NARS mean don't you [TS]

00:10:34   think all that's colored a little bit by [TS]

00:10:35   nostalgia I'm oh absolutely yeah I don't [TS]

00:10:39   deny that also i I'd never seen tos and [TS]

00:10:42   i got married to my husband who pointed [TS]

00:10:44   out today was telling those can be on [TS]

00:10:46   this podcast a hit for watching Star [TS]

00:10:48   Trek before i was born just true right [TS]

00:10:51   you know I've seen all of these episodes [TS]

00:10:53   many times now and they're not good this [TS]

00:10:56   whole head of TOS the Tripoli and [TS]

00:10:58   unbelievably bad and I just don't [TS]

00:11:01   understand how anyone can say it's good [TS]

00:11:03   but it's guy didn't say it's good [TS]

00:11:06   I is used [TS]

00:11:07   it's amusingly bad when it's amusingly [TS]

00:11:10   bad there are very few that are just out [TS]

00:11:12   and out absolutely cannot stand watching [TS]

00:11:15   but we're gonna be there are no lines [TS]

00:11:19   are going to consider that there may be [TS]

00:11:21   about like 27-percent that are i'd i'd [TS]

00:11:26   say about twenty to twenty-five percent [TS]

00:11:27   and they're the ones that are so bad [TS]

00:11:30   that the the cast is actively revolting [TS]

00:11:33   as they are recording the episode like [TS]

00:11:36   the satyrs for soldiers I active board [TS]

00:11:38   faces well that's yeah anyone that could [TS]

00:11:41   be fun seriously bored Shatner and [TS]

00:11:43   boredom away are a lot more fun than [TS]

00:11:45   bored freaks and board service and bored [TS]

00:11:48   McFadden that's not her name it's not [TS]

00:11:50   sure didn't skate mechana not bored [TS]

00:11:51   McCann gates are bad boards but well at [TS]

00:11:54   the same not [TS]

00:11:55   I you know I'm gonna I'm gonna agree [TS]

00:11:58   with David here obviously i love captain [TS]

00:12:01   kirk I i love captain kirk in the in the [TS]

00:12:03   original show and in the movies most [TS]

00:12:06   especially of course star trek to but I [TS]

00:12:07   think throughout especially some of the [TS]

00:12:10   humor stuff and star trek for is a very [TS]

00:12:12   amusing with him i like i like the stuff [TS]

00:12:13   in Star Trek six as well where he's [TS]

00:12:15   really angry at the Klingons i'm always [TS]

00:12:17   loved Captain Kirk and his and his [TS]

00:12:21   trickery [TS]

00:12:22   I i really enjoyed the fact that he [TS]

00:12:23   although he was an action hero and he [TS]

00:12:25   would be happy to fight a giant lizard [TS]

00:12:27   man if he placed on a desert planet with [TS]

00:12:30   a giant lizard man who wouldn't [TS]

00:12:32   she'll ask you to do I like one of my [TS]

00:12:36   favorite Kirk things is on the corbomite [TS]

00:12:39   maneuver where he talks his way out of [TS]

00:12:42   the situation where he is just bluffing [TS]

00:12:44   and he Bluffs a giant spaceship into [TS]

00:12:46   surrendering to him essentially which is [TS]

00:12:49   pretty awesome [TS]

00:12:50   and then in Star Trek to the echo of [TS]

00:12:51   that with obviously a lot more attention [TS]

00:12:53   and stakes in a much larger budget as [TS]

00:12:55   well and the way that he kind of saves [TS]

00:12:59   them from destruction at the hands of [TS]

00:13:00   con with his trickery i really love that [TS]

00:13:04   about Captain Kirk board more than the [TS]

00:13:06   seduction of alien women and being a [TS]

00:13:09   giant lizard people I just I really like [TS]

00:13:11   that that part of kirk and also his [TS]

00:13:12   sense of humor that when McCoy tries to [TS]

00:13:14   prescribe him salad [TS]

00:13:16   he can give them a look and groans and [TS]

00:13:19   then he eats the salad [TS]

00:13:20   the other thing as I'm sitting here [TS]

00:13:22   thinking about it he's the one who goes [TS]

00:13:25   through the protagonist journey right [TS]

00:13:29   Picard is always level-headed [TS]

00:13:30   intelligent rational and you know [TS]

00:13:32   sometimes he slips but most of the time [TS]

00:13:34   he's he's totally rational Ben Sisko [TS]

00:13:36   very rational very mellow good manager [TS]

00:13:39   Janeway terrific manager Kirk is the one [TS]

00:13:43   who nearly bashes the lizard guys head [TS]

00:13:46   in with a rock and then he lets his [TS]

00:13:49   better the better angels of his nature [TS]

00:13:51   overcome not going to key right today [TS]

00:13:54   but he's not a good captain as much a [TS]

00:13:56   seasonally liking captor and unbelief [TS]

00:13:58   away like a captain there without their [TS]

00:14:01   and against his will take pattern after [TS]

00:14:03   Captain reason [TS]

00:14:05   fair enough um assess you have a kid you [TS]

00:14:10   have some captain talk for us this this [TS]

00:14:12   is one that has vexed me I've gotta say [TS]

00:14:14   I thought about this a lot i thought [TS]

00:14:16   well do i do I stick to what people [TS]

00:14:19   expect do i pick one of the five [TS]

00:14:22   captains who were also the lead of the [TS]

00:14:24   room series is doing something other [TS]

00:14:26   than that trying too hard then I thought [TS]

00:14:29   maybe there's another angle entirely [TS]

00:14:30   Jason wait a way to metagame the not [TS]

00:14:33   draft isn't everybody has done this so [TS]

00:14:35   far by the way everybody has make sure [TS]

00:14:37   somebody they're not talking about [TS]

00:14:39   before talking about it you are experts [TS]

00:14:42   are all way too good at this are your [TS]

00:14:44   honor yes mr. mystery on you and I [TS]

00:14:47   mention I need a ruling from the bench [TS]

00:14:48   I am I allowed to count Sam Beckett [TS]

00:14:52   inside the body of a starship captain [TS]

00:14:55   Jonathan Archer as one person [TS]

00:14:57   no I'm sorry it's okay well then your [TS]

00:15:00   arteries you can't raise your cream [TS]

00:15:02   can't come from an evil universe ok I'm [TS]

00:15:04   racket yeah that's right yeah you could [TS]

00:15:05   pick an obscure weird strange captain [TS]

00:15:08   from somewhere but you cannot pick sort [TS]

00:15:10   of fit headcanon captain's inside all [TS]

00:15:13   weekend Calhoun I I resent your [TS]

00:15:15   judgmental talk uh I ok very well that [TS]

00:15:20   there are no one's out Cogley ok that [TS]

00:15:22   one's out i'm tempted to pick our Sulu [TS]

00:15:25   because his moment as captain of the [TS]

00:15:28   Excelsior in Star Trek six is fantastic [TS]

00:15:31   and amazing and it is so a typical to [TS]

00:15:33   Asian America [TS]

00:15:34   an actor's on-screen and for me as a kid [TS]

00:15:36   that was amazing blew me away but [TS]

00:15:39   sentimentality can always hit me so far [TS]

00:15:41   so then I just I'm restrict myself to [TS]

00:15:44   captain of the enterprise [TS]

00:15:45   okay you can do that if you want you [TS]

00:15:47   could you have turkey and you don't have [TS]

00:15:50   cisco including cisco in cloquet you [TS]

00:15:52   down captain of the enterprise even [TS]

00:15:53   locate main main series captain's make [TS]

00:15:55   sense cabins if I were to do that when [TS]

00:15:57   you don't have an answer do you boys [TS]

00:15:59   you're just being nice no no I'm not I'm [TS]

00:16:01   not I'm going somewhere i literally have [TS]

00:16:03   bulleted notes also delay of game your [TS]

00:16:05   honor [TS]

00:16:05   you're gonna pick on solo aren't you [TS]

00:16:07   know jewbacca mal Reynolds i'm going to [TS]

00:16:12   end up picking a captain of the [TS]

00:16:14   enterprise who did not run their own [TS]

00:16:16   series and it's the only captain of the [TS]

00:16:19   enterprise to do something very [TS]

00:16:20   important that I have to have to set my [TS]

00:16:23   sentimental feelings aside because i [TS]

00:16:24   want to pick four of them so the best [TS]

00:16:28   Star Trek captain is Rachel Derek [TS]

00:16:31   captain the enterprise see what you got [TS]

00:16:32   you only captain of a starship [TS]

00:16:35   enterprise to go down with the ship in [TS]

00:16:38   something that isn't an alternate [TS]

00:16:39   would've reality that they get out of [TS]

00:16:41   thanks to time control tachyons and well [TS]

00:16:44   technically she goes to an alternate [TS]

00:16:46   reality and dies there before they can [TS]

00:16:48   go down with the ship yeah so so [TS]

00:16:50   basically you're saying that i picked [TS]

00:16:51   the captain who is master of all time [TS]

00:16:53   space and reality so now i'm writing [TS]

00:16:55   about I love your pic I i had Rachel [TS]

00:16:57   Garrett as my darkhorse backup secret [TS]

00:16:59   wacky pic events and I on that logic i [TS]

00:17:02   almost picked con but I couldn't in good [TS]

00:17:05   conscience do that because he have he's [TS]

00:17:07   he's a great captain the bodies a is a [TS]

00:17:09   fine ship especially when it's on sand [TS]

00:17:12   he totally didn't crash into a planet he [TS]

00:17:14   was crashed four years on a desert [TS]

00:17:17   planet you know in a cargo bay [TS]

00:17:19   yeah and ended up almost taking down the [TS]

00:17:21   Federation's flagship that is amazing [TS]

00:17:24   but Rachel Garrett didn't have the [TS]

00:17:27   advantage of having a movie named after [TS]

00:17:28   her so i have to go Rachel yeah alright [TS]

00:17:30   Your Honor I would like to pick Malcolm [TS]

00:17:32   Reynolds which I will prove as part of [TS]

00:17:33   the star trek universe happy this guy [TS]

00:17:35   who diets Lando Calrissian wearing Han [TS]

00:17:37   Solo's clothing is my [TS]

00:17:39   ok me my yeah my sentimental pic would [TS]

00:17:43   have been cisco but best captain if [TS]

00:17:46   that's the phrasing but i have to say [TS]

00:17:47   Rachel Garrett alright and am I mean I [TS]

00:17:49   am actually totally serious about know [TS]

00:17:51   that that's it's a great character i [TS]

00:17:52   think that I mean she's only got a [TS]

00:17:53   couple of scenes where she's talking to [TS]

00:17:54   Picard and then she's always thought it [TS]

00:17:57   was sad that she's kind of [TS]

00:17:58   unceremoniously killed so that they can [TS]

00:18:00   give Tasha and christopher mcdonald a [TS]

00:18:03   little bit of a little bit of a story [TS]

00:18:05   arc I I always thought that was a game [TS]

00:18:08   that they did that because i really like [TS]

00:18:09   that character and she was she was the [TS]

00:18:11   first woman captain of the enterprise [TS]

00:18:13   that one or a woman starcaptain really [TS]

00:18:16   in a where you know before Janeway there [TS]

00:18:19   was the bold move of the captain of the [TS]

00:18:20   enterprise see is Rachel Garrett and I [TS]

00:18:22   thought that was really awesome that [TS]

00:18:23   they did that she was the actress [TS]

00:18:24   brother a nice gravitas to that part and [TS]

00:18:27   she was so much more interesting than [TS]

00:18:28   yard I know I go and her little romance [TS]

00:18:32   with christopher mcdonald helicopters [TS]

00:18:35   mrs. Garrett was based on her [TS]

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00:20:30   products before i would i would go [TS]

00:20:32   kicking and screaming to the store [TS]

00:20:33   sometimes literally and yeah and I'm [TS]

00:20:36   asking uh actually I i would tell the [TS]

00:20:38   story about asking the clerk but you [TS]

00:20:40   know what will happen more frequently [TS]

00:20:41   the mat is that my blades wouldn't be [TS]

00:20:43   there they just wouldn't be there and I [TS]

00:20:45   have to go to another drug store maybe [TS]

00:20:46   they're be blades there now I don't [TS]

00:20:48   worry about it they come to my door from [TS]

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00:21:13   incomparable Tony captain me that you [TS]

00:21:18   have already accepted make me a captain [TS]

00:21:21   right now i don't i don't think you [TS]

00:21:23   understand Starfleet ok you are busy [TS]

00:21:25   kitchen aid in your grade podcaster at [TS]

00:21:28   best let's study but I if I name [TS]

00:21:30   temporary acting first officer and I get [TS]

00:21:32   the temporary acting captain thrown off [TS]

00:21:34   a lot of general compromised [TS]

00:21:36   I don't you even right you're one of [TS]

00:21:38   those guys in engineering this is [TS]

00:21:39   wearing a turtleneck [TS]

00:21:40   thanks Tony oh sorry but you know that [TS]

00:21:43   those guys are important to EJ's of do [TS]

00:21:45   you have something Tony sure I mean [TS]

00:21:48   we've touched on on all the big ones are [TS]

00:21:50   you know I thought about it a little bit [TS]

00:21:51   from the perspective of a kind of which [TS]

00:21:53   captain has had to kind of overcome some [TS]

00:21:55   of the biggest challenges and you know I [TS]

00:21:57   think Francisco is is kind of Jane well [TS]

00:22:00   you know we talked about that her [TS]

00:22:01   challenges as being stranded far away [TS]

00:22:03   was [TS]

00:22:03   the unique thing but Ben Sisko deals [TS]

00:22:06   with some of the most like kind of [TS]

00:22:07   ruthless and vicious things throughout [TS]

00:22:10   the war that to me really stand out as a [TS]

00:22:12   captain especially the the episode in [TS]

00:22:14   the pale moonlight where he assassinates [TS]

00:22:17   a Romulan ambassador and I don't know if [TS]

00:22:20   anyone else would do that of the other [TS]

00:22:23   captains and you know I guess it's up to [TS]

00:22:26   you is your moral code if that's a good [TS]

00:22:28   or bad [TS]

00:22:29   captain I think in terms of like he will [TS]

00:22:32   preserve Starfleet and do whatever he [TS]

00:22:34   can at you know at all costs as long as [TS]

00:22:36   a goat get caught I'm gonna go with him [TS]

00:22:39   Picard has always had a soft spot in my [TS]

00:22:41   heart as the kind of like wise and [TS]

00:22:43   courageous you know smart guy who's [TS]

00:22:44   going to use science and talking to [TS]

00:22:46   solve problems but Francisco overcome [TS]

00:22:49   some real problems that you know I don't [TS]

00:22:51   know if the car could have stood up to [TS]

00:22:52   Picard never punched you [TS]

00:22:54   so yeah no no I just saw this episode he [TS]

00:22:57   doesn't usually it's true that [TS]

00:22:59   ambassador and obsess inated but you [TS]

00:23:01   know he was trying to like get him [TS]

00:23:03   removed or I'm trying to remember the [TS]

00:23:04   specifics like he tries to fake the [TS]

00:23:06   hollow chip and you know figures out to [TS]

00:23:09   fake and then he ends up being [TS]

00:23:10   assassinated is leaving and Cisco's [TS]

00:23:13   actually very upset about the right [TS]

00:23:15   Cisco doesn't sense right right [TS]

00:23:18   he sets up the conditions in which it [TS]

00:23:20   can happen right here and he engages in [TS]

00:23:22   espionage and starts to document it all [TS]

00:23:24   and then chooses not to write erase log [TS]

00:23:28   and race look very nice [TS]

00:23:31   I Scott what what captain do you have [TS]

00:23:33   for us [TS]

00:23:34   well I have a captain who i believe can [TS]

00:23:37   fall into both categories [TS]

00:23:39   oh because i like to do double duty at [TS]

00:23:43   the only reason i am choosing him is [TS]

00:23:45   because i find to be using and that is [TS]

00:23:48   Captain styles of the USS excelsior who [TS]

00:23:52   is best like forming a baton around the [TS]

00:23:56   bridge for no apparent reason [TS]

00:23:58   forget that he also he also works on his [TS]

00:24:00   fingernails and he does yeah he is a [TS]

00:24:03   cocky he is probably the worst that [TS]

00:24:08   things that you could find an officer [TS]

00:24:10   given the plum assignment of [TS]

00:24:12   happening Starfleet's fanciest fastest [TS]

00:24:16   ship and he gets his comeuppance in one [TS]

00:24:19   of the few highlights of star trek 3 [TS]

00:24:21   captain styles amuses me to no end [TS]

00:24:25   and so I don't why would be best [TS]

00:24:27   pictures EMES as you can see amuses me [TS]

00:24:30   there's no rice is all subjective [TS]

00:24:31   alright there we go [TS]

00:24:33   I you know I i can i can see some value [TS]

00:24:35   in that choice there are things from the [TS]

00:24:37   tos movies that I find more entertaining [TS]

00:24:41   than entire seasons of some of the later [TS]

00:24:43   TV shows like Star Trek one the the guy [TS]

00:24:47   who holds a ring that has never ever [TS]

00:24:49   mentioned again in Star Trek lore bill [TS]

00:24:52   i'm commander Starfleet what is [TS]

00:24:54   commander Starfleet internet [TS]

00:24:56   automatically as a comment there it's [TS]

00:24:58   it's like the Doctor Who of 2030 78 or [TS]

00:25:03   but scarcely for my potential let's just [TS]

00:25:05   assume that they discontinued that rank [TS]

00:25:07   because it sounded ridiculous scott i [TS]

00:25:09   have to say that when when I was [TS]

00:25:11   discussing this with my family dinner [TS]

00:25:13   tonight [TS]

00:25:13   I i said for example you didn't you [TS]

00:25:15   wouldn't have to pick one of the lead [TS]

00:25:17   actors in one of the series you could [TS]

00:25:19   pick something like Jim sicking as that [TS]

00:25:22   guy who runs the Excelsior until you [TS]

00:25:25   take in star trek 3 not realizing how [TS]

00:25:28   completely insane you would be in [TS]

00:25:32   choosing captain styles or you could [TS]

00:25:34   pick the far superior captain of the [TS]

00:25:36   Excelsior hello captain with us was [TS]

00:25:38   going to say yours that'll shoot those [TS]

00:25:39   torpedoes [TS]

00:25:41   i I'm picking my also i love the [TS]

00:25:43   Excelsior so I like both captain's both [TS]

00:25:45   known captains of the Excelsior but you [TS]

00:25:49   gotta figure I mean the only time we see [TS]

00:25:50   him he's kind of a buffoon but he has [TS]

00:25:53   been somewhat decent to get command it [TS]

00:25:55   right it's an experimental ship know ask [TS]

00:25:57   before he's the Dudley do-right of [TS]

00:25:59   Starfleet yeah or the zapp brannigan [TS]

00:26:01   having watched a lot of Star Trek I i [TS]

00:26:04   can come with it's my considered opinion [TS]

00:26:07   that Starfleet officers are not very [TS]

00:26:09   good [TS]

00:26:10   space is dangerous and a lot of the a [TS]

00:26:12   lot of great people just get one great [TS]

00:26:14   toys lot of gear great ships lot of lot [TS]

00:26:17   of computers that do the work for you [TS]

00:26:18   I assume that there's a there's a [TS]

00:26:20   there's a huge repercussions throughout [TS]

00:26:22   Starfleet by a lot of people who want [TS]

00:26:24   to be Kirk and that that has like [TS]

00:26:27   there's just a lot of space yeah we [TS]

00:26:28   never seen like they don't get out of [TS]

00:26:31   the solar system because he manages [TS]

00:26:33   worked for Kirk there's a generation of [TS]

00:26:36   captions and idolized him and you have [TS]

00:26:38   inside my ship a small quantity of flurb [TS]

00:26:40   Almighty and it will their firing [TS]

00:26:42   captain oh damn so you basically have [TS]

00:26:46   like hundreds of captains who have died [TS]

00:26:48   and hundreds of captains who are like [TS]

00:26:51   terrified of that and are therefore like [TS]

00:26:53   cowardly and Craven with no middle [TS]

00:26:55   ground [TS]

00:26:55   that's what Starfleet certainly doesn't [TS]

00:26:57   produce the middle ground I love it I ok [TS]

00:26:59   since he hasn't been chosen even though [TS]

00:27:01   this is not a draft i'm going to say [TS]

00:27:02   gianluca card because although i love [TS]

00:27:04   captain kirk i also love Captain Picard [TS]

00:27:05   for different reasons [TS]

00:27:07   he's great great actor playing him had [TS]

00:27:10   the if we're going to say Kirk started [TS]

00:27:12   it all and without without that [TS]

00:27:13   character in that show there would be no [TS]

00:27:15   more star trek i have to say i think the [TS]

00:27:18   the active following an iconic character [TS]

00:27:20   like that when you're trying to start [TS]

00:27:22   star trek again and people are like [TS]

00:27:24   there's this bold English guy with a [TS]

00:27:26   French name as the captain of the [TS]

00:27:27   enterprise you're crazy and you know [TS]

00:27:30   what path patrick stewart want us over [TS]

00:27:31   because that character and his and his [TS]

00:27:34   performance and taking that character [TS]

00:27:36   seriously is one of the things that [TS]

00:27:38   allows you to take Star Trek The Next [TS]

00:27:40   Generation seriously especially that [TS]

00:27:42   first season or two when it's kinda [TS]

00:27:44   rough sledding [TS]

00:27:45   so I mean I think I think we can take [TS]

00:27:47   him for granted and I also really love [TS]

00:27:48   his you know his some of his later work [TS]

00:27:51   where he's being tortured and there are [TS]

00:27:54   four lights and when he is he's a nice [TS]

00:27:58   clean master you haven't been abducted [TS]

00:27:59   by the Borg and i really like his uh his [TS]

00:28:03   stuff in star trek first contact as well [TS]

00:28:06   I think he does a really good job with [TS]

00:28:07   that Nobel a line meaning to be drawn [TS]

00:28:10   here ah I remember when Deep Space nine [TS]

00:28:12   first started and I think I was probably [TS]

00:28:14   like 12 or 13 and like one of the first [TS]

00:28:16   things we learned about cisco was that [TS]

00:28:18   he doesn't like Picard yeah I was so [TS]

00:28:20   angry about that cause like I doesn't [TS]

00:28:22   make any sense [TS]

00:28:23   I don't understand and like I loved that [TS]

00:28:26   DJ and I well I was too young and stupid [TS]

00:28:28   night [TS]

00:28:28   no and like I basically didn't come back [TS]

00:28:30   to deep space nine till like eight years [TS]

00:28:32   later then as I call it turns out well [TS]

00:28:35   you're Tony not that great [TS]

00:28:36   I don't worry i'm tony really liked [TS]

00:28:38   Captain Picard you really like Captain [TS]

00:28:40   Picard he used words and science to [TS]

00:28:42   solve all my problems [TS]

00:28:43   I mean apparently it was it was one of [TS]

00:28:46   the lowest rated episodes of the next [TS]

00:28:47   generation but family is one of my [TS]

00:28:49   favorite episode yes that is one right [TS]

00:28:51   after the world part 3 essential yeah [TS]

00:28:53   where he goes home and and it's him and [TS]

00:28:55   his brother wrestling in a vineyard [TS]

00:28:57   getting drunk on wine and wrestling a [TS]

00:28:59   vineyard I can see why you know a lot of [TS]

00:29:01   fans ago [TS]

00:29:02   yeah i'm gonna throw and stuff up but [TS]

00:29:05   it's fantastic [TS]

00:29:06   I one of one of the few instances of me [TS]

00:29:09   abusing my power you know moderating [TS]

00:29:12   stuff for comic conventions and [TS]

00:29:13   everything was was me asking the guy [TS]

00:29:15   that runs the Dallas contract hey can [TS]

00:29:17   you introduce me to the star trek TNG [TS]

00:29:19   people's manager just so that i can say [TS]

00:29:21   hi to patrick stewart because seeing him [TS]

00:29:25   in in my formative years as an actor [TS]

00:29:28   made me think wow this ridiculous and [TS]

00:29:30   silly stuff that I like and that I would [TS]

00:29:32   you know someday you'll want to do there [TS]

00:29:34   is real craft and dedication and it made [TS]

00:29:36   me double down on I guess my dramaturgy [TS]

00:29:40   as a as a young actor and getting to to [TS]

00:29:43   talk for a few minutes of patrick [TS]

00:29:44   stewart for me was it was this you know [TS]

00:29:47   what the one of the few things that I [TS]

00:29:49   really wanted to do I want to be able to [TS]

00:29:51   shake his hand and and do the stupid fan [TS]

00:29:55   you know you mean so much me kind of a [TS]

00:29:57   thing without it being like you know a [TS]

00:29:58   marriage proposal that and you it really [TS]

00:30:01   it was really really special for me [TS]

00:30:03   watching him put 10 times the effort not [TS]

00:30:07   just from the first season all the way [TS]

00:30:08   through the whole thing then just about [TS]

00:30:11   anybody else in the cast was just [TS]

00:30:13   because of that I mean that was the [TS]

00:30:14   training is baked into him and the [TS]

00:30:17   training that that that came through on [TS]

00:30:19   screen and it's something that you know [TS]

00:30:20   that it's something that i recognized in [TS]

00:30:22   avery brooks to he came from the same [TS]

00:30:23   kind of powerfully classical theater [TS]

00:30:27   training and it that that for me changed [TS]

00:30:31   changed the way that I viewed startrack [TS]

00:30:33   20mg started coming on as opposed to the [TS]

00:30:36   reruns of the original show which was [TS]

00:30:37   funny people in polyester jumping around [TS]

00:30:40   and you know flirting with girls damn [TS]

00:30:43   right let me it was all those things [TS]

00:30:44   well put [TS]

00:30:46   yes yes it was a lot of things the [TS]

00:30:49   things we forget his Shatner was a [TS]

00:30:51   Shakespearean trained actor from Canada [TS]

00:30:53   EP was submitted well that's a couple [TS]

00:30:57   steps down Shakespeare's different [TS]

00:30:59   categories lot more positive we should [TS]

00:31:02   we should move on i think those i think [TS]

00:31:03   i'm glad we got gave some honor to lots [TS]

00:31:06   of Starfleet captain's there i think [TS]

00:31:08   that's gonna accept Archer experience [TS]

00:31:10   let's give some dishonored now you still [TS]

00:31:12   available let us let us move on to [TS]

00:31:14   dishonor Brianna would you like to [TS]

00:31:16   dishonor somebody this boy when I now [TS]

00:31:19   know you know I think something is [TS]

00:31:21   really interesting about all the the [TS]

00:31:24   star trek captain's is I think all of [TS]

00:31:26   them are good you know I you know even [TS]

00:31:29   Archer stuff i standing under a hand I [TS]

00:31:38   think there's a piece a piece that you [TS]

00:31:40   make the characters if you're you know [TS]

00:31:42   because I don't [TS]

00:31:44   yeah i i'm not one of his fans just like [TS]

00:31:46   watches the the show that I like the [TS]

00:31:48   best and then tunes the rest of the [TS]

00:31:50   mountain you know I've seen all the Star [TS]

00:31:51   Trek's multiple times at this point you [TS]

00:31:53   really don't understand these characters [TS]

00:31:56   um I i can say so i have to kind of [TS]

00:31:58   evaluate this question me know like I i [TS]

00:32:02   run a company so is i watch these star [TS]

00:32:05   tracks I off and think about these [TS]

00:32:06   people and who they are is leaders and [TS]

00:32:10   you know while Kirk come seems more like [TS]

00:32:12   a frat boy than a captain sometimes I [TS]

00:32:15   think he's a good leader you know he [TS]

00:32:17   really believes in the mission he he [TS]

00:32:19   makes calls that are difficult Picard i [TS]

00:32:21   think really came introduce this [TS]

00:32:23   archetype of the adult in the room that [TS]

00:32:26   will like compromise on things and think [TS]

00:32:28   through things and put his ego aside but [TS]

00:32:31   when it comes to being actual beater [TS]

00:32:33   have to say I think Cisco is the one [TS]

00:32:36   that brings the least of those qualities [TS]

00:32:38   forward I'm if you look at the arc of [TS]

00:32:40   this character it's very much about him [TS]

00:32:43   and become uncomfortable being the [TS]

00:32:44   emissary the and you know his kind of [TS]

00:32:48   internal struggle with now if you look [TS]

00:32:50   at the way he [TS]

00:32:51   he handles conflict with this crew is [TS]

00:32:54   kind of like leaning back and having a [TS]

00:32:55   smile [TS]

00:32:57   he's always kind of a hands-off kind of [TS]

00:33:00   leader in a lot of ways and um you know [TS]

00:33:04   I don't think he's lucky the way that [TS]

00:33:06   car keys but I I just think there's [TS]

00:33:08   there's less deliberateness to his [TS]

00:33:11   choices so while I think they're all [TS]

00:33:13   good i think he would be the one that I [TS]

00:33:16   would least you know pick to like run a [TS]

00:33:18   starship [TS]

00:33:19   well that's why I get stuck on a space [TS]

00:33:21   station so I mean I might only let him [TS]

00:33:24   to occasionally drive the starship but [TS]

00:33:26   resident I'm it's just stay here at your [TS]

00:33:27   station its a bright when he's also he [TS]

00:33:29   doesn't start as a captain yeah it [TS]

00:33:31   becomes a captain partway through the [TS]

00:33:33   series he's a commander so it's in in a [TS]

00:33:35   way it's it's him learning that yeah [TS]

00:33:37   anyway he also has that kind of I mean I [TS]

00:33:40   think Jane we had even more exciting [TS]

00:33:42   version of it but he has that kind of [TS]

00:33:43   interesting mission where you're not [TS]

00:33:45   going to be on a spaceship you're going [TS]

00:33:47   to be on this space station with a bunch [TS]

00:33:49   of other non-federation characters [TS]

00:33:51   hanging around and even your crew is [TS]

00:33:53   going to have you know jordans and [TS]

00:33:54   there's gonna be all these political [TS]

00:33:56   things whereas it's not like the car [TS]

00:33:57   gets to drop in for episode solve the [TS]

00:33:59   problem and like head out it's like no [TS]

00:34:01   you're going to be brokering peace here [TS]

00:34:03   for like years [TS]

00:34:04   right that's it is kinda like you know [TS]

00:34:06   deep space nine is kinda like Casablanca [TS]

00:34:08   we rise he has to be both Rick and [TS]

00:34:11   Captain Renault so like he can't just [TS]

00:34:13   come in and like throw punches because [TS]

00:34:14   it's like that he's going to be mopping [TS]

00:34:16   that up for forever right for years I i [TS]

00:34:19   guess it's just when i think about what [TS]

00:34:21   makes a good character [TS]

00:34:22   I mean ways karks law Kirk is like ruled [TS]

00:34:25   by emotions and impulses in anyways was [TS]

00:34:28   Picard's flog you know he kind of has [TS]

00:34:31   that rage sometimes ease hurting he can [TS]

00:34:34   you know sometimes let that anger that's [TS]

00:34:37   inside of him kind of go a little bit [TS]

00:34:39   too far though it's you know buried [TS]

00:34:41   underneath all this diplomacy I'm you [TS]

00:34:43   know Archer harbors a lot of frustration [TS]

00:34:46   at the the Vulcans for keeping their [TS]

00:34:48   people down and you know Janeway is kind [TS]

00:34:51   of her idealism [TS]

00:34:53   morality can kind of get in the way the [TS]

00:34:55   mission when think about cisco um I i [TS]

00:34:59   see this theme repeating with this [TS]

00:35:01   character where it's more about how he [TS]

00:35:04   feels like you mentioned the the episode [TS]

00:35:07   where he was debating like assassinating [TS]

00:35:10   someone that episode is very much framed [TS]

00:35:12   in terms of how Cisco himself feels [TS]

00:35:16   about the emotional cost of watching [TS]

00:35:17   Federation soldiers died how he feels [TS]

00:35:20   making these choices [TS]

00:35:21   it's not really ever about the greater [TS]

00:35:23   mission is like the mission is why he [TS]

00:35:27   hurts so i'm AI think that all those [TS]

00:35:30   things make that character less [TS]

00:35:31   compelling for me personally and I mean [TS]

00:35:34   honestly part of archers things that [TS]

00:35:36   he's depressed being Archer burn [TS]

00:35:40   I don't maybe it's that they try to do [TS]

00:35:41   too much with cisco right i mean there's [TS]

00:35:43   at first it's he's got this anger [TS]

00:35:45   because it is wife is dead and then [TS]

00:35:47   there's the reconciling with it you know [TS]

00:35:48   you know being captured / commander / [TS]

00:35:52   being a father until they they kind of [TS]

00:35:53   try to do a lot of things with him and [TS]

00:35:55   maybe that is why sometimes it suffers [TS]

00:35:57   but it to me that makes it a little more [TS]

00:35:59   interesting but maybe it makes it a less [TS]

00:36:01   cohesive character and yeah and and [TS]

00:36:04   there's you know that they didn't really [TS]

00:36:06   have a clear idea of where coming they [TS]

00:36:09   go okay he's a non-believer and he's [TS]

00:36:11   trapped as an emissary and he has to [TS]

00:36:13   balance that but they never really [TS]

00:36:15   figured I mean they sort of made the [TS]

00:36:18   whole religion thing up on on the fly in [TS]

00:36:21   or at least it seemed like that and so [TS]

00:36:23   that was kind of a weird tension and and [TS]

00:36:26   he himself never quite and maybe this is [TS]

00:36:29   just every Brooks coming here he never [TS]

00:36:31   quite seemed like the non-believer he [TS]

00:36:33   seems so mellow and and going ok I'm [TS]

00:36:36   rational I'm calm but I'm okay with this [TS]

00:36:40   i get i get the emissary thing you know [TS]

00:36:42   he never seemed comfortable being [TS]

00:36:44   uncomfortable about it [TS]

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00:38:04   alright let's let's move on David do you [TS]

00:38:07   have a worst captain for us [TS]

00:38:08   oh yes oh yes and no no it is not a [TS]

00:38:12   captain from one of the series it is a [TS]

00:38:15   captain who only appeared once as far as [TS]

00:38:18   i remember and could not apparently make [TS]

00:38:22   a decision on his own [TS]

00:38:24   you're not taking Alan rock are you I'm [TS]

00:38:26   taking out on right Jon Arryn that was [TS]

00:38:28   gonna be I thought it was not a draft [TS]

00:38:31   it's not a draft another grab taken to [TS]

00:38:33   that's right captain of the enterprise [TS]

00:38:35   be you know and it's over bad captain he [TS]

00:38:40   has to turn to kirk and say oh you give [TS]

00:38:42   the order to go out he's like Kirk is [TS]

00:38:44   like no no this is your shadows like [TS]

00:38:46   Isles you have to assume that he has [TS]

00:38:49   talents and is just completely flummoxed [TS]

00:38:51   in the presence of Captain Kirk right [TS]

00:38:53   he's like he's like no no I think he's [TS]

00:38:55   like detective bailiffs on homicide he [TS]

00:38:57   was in the mayor's detail and he gets he [TS]

00:38:59   gets his pic right and so he picks [TS]

00:39:02   homicide well Harriman pic spawning to [TS]

00:39:03   be the enterprise and so everything he [TS]

00:39:06   turns to Kirk what should i do what [TS]

00:39:08   should I do [TS]

00:39:09   well son you're gonna have to take risk [TS]

00:39:10   if you want to sit in that seat i'm [TS]

00:39:12   going to go into engineering and save [TS]

00:39:13   everybody and die but you have to make a [TS]

00:39:16   decision [TS]

00:39:17   damn it [TS]

00:39:18   and he goes off and then he gets sucked [TS]

00:39:19   into the nexus and into a really bad [TS]

00:39:22   movie but yeah it's not yeah it's [TS]

00:39:24   narrated well anyway it's under yeah [TS]

00:39:26   it's not that it's it's not unselect [TS]

00:39:28   shinai got but ya know it he's just oh [TS]

00:39:33   my god and it can be on your inaugural [TS]

00:39:37   flight and turn everything over to kirk [TS]

00:39:40   and then lose Kirk because you're an [TS]

00:39:43   idiot [TS]

00:39:44   well that's my worst captain he's no [TS]

00:39:47   good to captain the enterprise and you [TS]

00:39:49   lose Captain Kirk on top of your ship [TS]

00:39:51   gets like blown into I mean half i mean [TS]

00:39:53   that's that's just you know your ear the [TS]

00:39:56   jinx your the cousin Oliver of Starfleet [TS]

00:39:58   after that you lost Kirk you never live [TS]

00:40:01   that down [TS]

00:40:02   well to be fair it was basically a [TS]

00:40:04   photo-op voyage [TS]

00:40:06   yeah he's not prepared for any of this [TS]

00:40:08   and according to his character [TS]

00:40:10   background he has I'd he's a spent his [TS]

00:40:13   childhood reading about the exploits of [TS]

00:40:15   kirk and friends and so to have his hero [TS]

00:40:18   standing on the bridge and hovering [TS]

00:40:20   behind it or at least the three who [TS]

00:40:22   would show up anything he's the guy with [TS]

00:40:24   the flurbin might yes that's right we [TS]

00:40:27   could totally do that [TS]

00:40:28   yeah i know it didn't work like every [TS]

00:40:31   other like every other starship captain [TS]

00:40:33   that you know he dies on the next [TS]

00:40:35   mission sure if they even let them pile [TS]

00:40:37   of the ship at that point yeah so he [TS]

00:40:39   kind of runs into danger because I'm not [TS]

00:40:41   living down the whole career alright [TS]

00:40:42   well as long as he doesn't load the ship [TS]

00:40:44   to Ferris Bueller to drive around not [TS]

00:40:47   just put it in reverse and they want to [TS]

00:40:49   know except yep the window is you have a [TS]

00:40:53   bad captain for me [TS]

00:40:55   well now a lot of a lot of really great [TS]

00:40:58   bad captains have been chosen already [TS]

00:41:00   angry exception of Francisco just say [TS]

00:41:05   I'm just saying error was made [TS]

00:41:07   if i were to choose if i were to choose [TS]

00:41:11   it is a little bit off the wall ability [TS]

00:41:13   it also has a great deal of thought [TS]

00:41:16   behind it [TS]

00:41:16   I i am kind of forced to choose just [TS]

00:41:20   about every Klingon bird-of-prey command [TS]

00:41:23   in the history of Star Trek because it [TS]

00:41:26   can you look at the record in confidence [TS]

00:41:30   of the Federation the Romulans even the [TS]

00:41:32   Ferengi for Randy captains are disabling [TS]

00:41:35   flag shoes and the the Klingon [TS]

00:41:39   bird-of-prey commanders all could have [TS]

00:41:42   Kirk dumb luck every once in awhile but [TS]

00:41:46   in terms of across-the-board competence [TS]

00:41:48   the closest be the closest you get is [TS]

00:41:53   general training who dies by bloviating [TS]

00:41:57   speech [TS]

00:41:57   yeah he's still he's still the wallet [TS]

00:41:59   while a torpedo is about to blow up the [TS]

00:42:01   ship all he does this shouts Shakespeare [TS]

00:42:03   across the radio and he doesn't even [TS]

00:42:05   know where Shakespeare came from now [TS]

00:42:06   none of that Canadian Shakespeare yes my [TS]

00:42:08   idea captain a general Eiling on [TS]

00:42:11   Shakespeare and Canadian shakes we're [TS]

00:42:12   very similar I said I had a lot of [TS]

00:42:14   concerns about like the way Klingons [TS]

00:42:16   with wrangle for control and command [TS]

00:42:17   like how well that would actually really [TS]

00:42:19   stand up in space especially because I [TS]

00:42:21   feel like like probably Klingon culture [TS]

00:42:23   like doesn't really prize a lot of their [TS]

00:42:25   engineering either so like like how [TS]

00:42:27   structurally sound of those chips that [TS]

00:42:29   you know there were tussling and like [TS]

00:42:32   you think they need to come together a [TS]

00:42:34   little bit more as a team you know or at [TS]

00:42:37   least decide like the rules need to be a [TS]

00:42:39   lot more formal for like you know where [TS]

00:42:41   we can start budgeting and well calluses [TS]

00:42:43   rules for having recently watched Star [TS]

00:42:46   Trek three christopher lloyd is the [TS]

00:42:48   Klingon bird-of-prey captain and that [TS]

00:42:50   one he's he's so mad a captain kirk that [TS]

00:42:52   he decides two to beam down to leaving [TS]

00:42:55   the ship of manned entirely by malts [TS]

00:42:58   Ivor malts anyway John volts jungles [TS]

00:43:01   until you mr. Lloyd left john bolton [TS]

00:43:03   chat [TS]

00:43:04   I mean that was his first mistake please [TS]

00:43:06   John Larroquette in charge and goes down [TS]

00:43:08   because all the Klingons are sitcom [TS]

00:43:10   actors in that 1i don't really [TS]

00:43:11   understand that and just so he can like [TS]

00:43:13   have a fistfight with Captain Kirk that [TS]

00:43:16   is not good commanding makes sense never [TS]

00:43:18   leave Dan fielding in charge of the [TS]

00:43:19   Chanel what it what it really comes down [TS]

00:43:21   to in the chatroom the chatroom the chat [TS]

00:43:23   room is getting ahead of me in my notes [TS]

00:43:25   the one exception is martock martock is [TS]

00:43:29   the greatest yelling on star ship [TS]

00:43:32   commander that their empire has ever [TS]

00:43:35   seen by far [TS]

00:43:37   you know he knows what he's doing so my [TS]

00:43:38   pic has to be every Klingon bird-of-prey [TS]

00:43:40   commander other than Martok [TS]

00:43:43   at core Core oh ok except for more than [TS]

00:43:47   a little trouble with with minor [TS]

00:43:49   exceptions for the vast majority of Star [TS]

00:43:52   Trek history the worst captain's arrived [TS]

00:43:55   on birds of prey what we've learned is [TS]

00:43:56   that while Starfleet captains are [TS]

00:43:59   problematic and we question the the [TS]

00:44:02   competency of their crews you got [TS]

00:44:05   nothing compared to the Klingon can I [TS]

00:44:07   say this every writer on Star Trek ever [TS]

00:44:09   has been racist against Klingons yeah [TS]

00:44:11   those bastards those great that's better [TS]

00:44:13   and more [TS]

00:44:14   Ranma except for Ronnie Moore yeah if [TS]

00:44:16   Ron Moore had his druthers the Klingons [TS]

00:44:18   would take over the Federation and they [TS]

00:44:20   would be the focus of all of it i wish i [TS]

00:44:22   had more was a little more racist [TS]

00:44:24   against Klingons that would provide the [TS]

00:44:28   URL incomparable goes races are just [TS]

00:44:30   running water haha [TS]

00:44:32   Star Trek's where the episodes about [TS]

00:44:34   your honor the captain's that's what I [TS]

00:44:35   want more of Tony bad captain me kid [TS]

00:44:39   point of order give a Commodore [TS]

00:44:41   captain's a ship does he count as a [TS]

00:44:43   Gaston yes all right I'm gonna go with [TS]

00:44:45   Commodore Decker Commodore yeah of who [TS]

00:44:49   and I think you know I think you can [TS]

00:44:51   pick up a lot on how Kirk gets to be a [TS]

00:44:54   captain if somehow we let guys like Matt [TS]

00:44:56   Decker because even higher rank 0 [TS]

00:44:59   because he made a lot a lot of really [TS]

00:45:02   poor decisions and I know that like they [TS]

00:45:04   kind of cascade Commodore Decker is the [TS]

00:45:06   he's the captain of I think it's the [TS]

00:45:09   constellation yeah he comes face-to-face [TS]

00:45:11   with a giant you know space corner [TS]

00:45:14   office waste any planets and he beams [TS]

00:45:17   his crew to the safety of the planet [TS]

00:45:20   even though like the thing he's fighting [TS]

00:45:21   really looks like it could be a planet [TS]

00:45:23   and then surprise that doesn't go well [TS]

00:45:25   for that and then he later takes control [TS]

00:45:27   of the enterprise because he's a jerk or [TS]

00:45:30   he's grieving right one of those um but [TS]

00:45:32   I it seems like he probably I feel like [TS]

00:45:36   he probably rubber-stamped a lot of Kirk [TS]

00:45:38   promotions and that you know in the end [TS]

00:45:40   it doesn't go well for him and there's a [TS]

00:45:42   great scene where Kirk or Spock to have [TS]

00:45:44   been relieved of duty but he is he [TS]

00:45:46   yeah I don't know how he got to go to [TS]

00:45:48   not only be captain but up to Commodore [TS]

00:45:50   clearly Starfleet has some problems now [TS]

00:45:53   this is the question that plagued me [TS]

00:45:55   since 1979 [TS]

00:45:56   is will Decker Matt Decker's son [TS]

00:45:59   yes that explains a lot of the [TS]

00:46:01   assumption that is the assumption actual [TS]

00:46:03   and they all felt bad for him and a [TS]

00:46:04   rubber stamp him to captain yeah and [TS]

00:46:07   then he went off and was hard in those [TS]

00:46:09   days you know they didn't let any women [TS]

00:46:11   be captain so you just cut fifty percent [TS]

00:46:13   of your total population down and so you [TS]

00:46:16   know a lot of people got promoted up so [TS]

00:46:18   that's a great sorry she could have had [TS]

00:46:20   a full life as much as any woman's I [TS]

00:46:23   want to I want to hear more about the [TS]

00:46:25   the sexist will take care of Starfleet I [TS]

00:46:28   really want i want that to be a movie in [TS]

00:46:31   our idealized talking future except [TS]

00:46:33   great one part right sorry yeah Scott [TS]

00:46:36   give me a bad captain I think that's one [TS]

00:46:40   of the key components of captaining a [TS]

00:46:41   starship is being able to tell how many [TS]

00:46:44   planets are in a star system [TS]

00:46:46   oh yeah and so the captain that fails [TS]

00:46:50   that most spectacularly is captain [TS]

00:46:52   Tyrell of the USS reliance yeah who has [TS]

00:46:55   no idea that the planets missing in the [TS]

00:46:57   star system planets folks count decides [TS]

00:46:59   to beam down meets con quickly is a has [TS]

00:47:03   a worm in his ear and gets turned over [TS]

00:47:05   to come he does he does redeem himself [TS]

00:47:07   by killing himself 55 those things do [TS]

00:47:11   not a good captain make space is not the [TS]

00:47:15   planet two things cities [TS]

00:47:17   yeah that was counting on and no [TS]

00:47:18   Congress because josh i don't think it's [TS]

00:47:21   the captain's job to can't count planets [TS]

00:47:23   I feel like there was an incident side [TS]

00:47:25   to that and you love checking was justly [TS]

00:47:27   now Delta mately somebody needs to well [TS]

00:47:29   if you're the captain you should really [TS]

00:47:30   know what star systems your entire job [TS]

00:47:32   is just going from star systems star [TS]

00:47:33   system scanning planets to make sure [TS]

00:47:36   that their life in the lifeless you [TS]

00:47:38   should probably capital he may have [TS]

00:47:39   cultivated the wrong talent but I mean I [TS]

00:47:42   just you know I don't think it's not his [TS]

00:47:44   job account planets that's not an [TS]

00:47:45   executive-level decision but the [TS]

00:47:47   gold-pressed latinum stops here [TS]

00:47:49   I i think you're right i I think that's [TS]

00:47:52   a good one I'm going to take another so [TS]

00:47:53   we can move on to the next category [TS]

00:47:54   another quick pic for me I thought about [TS]

00:47:56   bad captain kirk the half of him are [TS]

00:47:59   removed by the transporter accident and [TS]

00:48:01   turned into government someone eyeliner [TS]

00:48:04   and lots of shouting [TS]

00:48:06   and lots of saurian brandy but i'm going [TS]

00:48:08   to with Captain Ron Tracy you may know [TS]

00:48:11   him [TS]

00:48:11   captain from a very terrible actually [TS]

00:48:13   episode of Star Trek the original series [TS]

00:48:15   one of those ones that Briana probably [TS]

00:48:17   was forced to watch by her husband where [TS]

00:48:18   they beam down to a planet turns out [TS]

00:48:20   there's a Starfleet captain from the [TS]

00:48:22   from the from the US exeter captain [TS]

00:48:25   Tracey who has become a warlord on a [TS]

00:48:28   warlike planet where the Yang's and the [TS]

00:48:30   combs are locked in eternal struggle a [TS]

00:48:32   terrible episode got her mad happen [TS]

00:48:35   that's a bad captain because he [TS]

00:48:37   basically like goes completely native [TS]

00:48:39   and is like taking over with these [TS]

00:48:40   warlords and and is a is the bad guy and [TS]

00:48:44   I I even wonder how gene roddenberry I [TS]

00:48:46   mean this was from his story [TS]

00:48:47   well he was he was obsessed with that [TS]

00:48:49   story was one of the original milan [TS]

00:48:51   trips and script and then they kept [TS]

00:48:53   saying no we don't like this story that [TS]

00:48:55   don't do this story and it was it was [TS]

00:48:57   like what the middle of the second [TS]

00:48:58   season that they made it was obsessed [TS]

00:49:00   with it i think it's symbolic that your [TS]

00:49:03   pick for worst captain has to do with a [TS]

00:49:04   Roddenberry obsession which is among the [TS]

00:49:07   worst things to ever befall started this [TS]

00:49:10   is a for those who don't know this is [TS]

00:49:11   the episode where it turns out that [TS]

00:49:12   there's an American flag because this is [TS]

00:49:14   one of those parallel universe or [TS]

00:49:16   parallel planets where it is totally [TS]

00:49:18   earth except with I don't know how do [TS]

00:49:23   they not noticed with different [TS]

00:49:24   continents but with the same nice jog [TS]

00:49:26   raphy the same flag will they have [TS]

00:49:28   veggie rice so we plug meestah I weren't [TS]

00:49:32   sun worshippers uh anyway that's a [TS]

00:49:35   totally different a different episode [TS]

00:49:36   but any other episode not great but yes [TS]

00:49:38   anyway so I'm going to pick him he's a [TS]

00:49:40   bad captain he shouldn't be remembered [TS]

00:49:42   fondly and his family doesn't get a [TS]

00:49:43   pension I'm and just I'm sorry that has [TS]

00:49:45   to be how it is [TS]

00:49:46   let's move on to aliens we're going to [TS]

00:49:48   talk really quickly about best and worst [TS]

00:49:50   aliens moisture is when you go first [TS]

00:49:53   no best or worst best best I not [TS]

00:49:59   skirting the the probable popular [TS]

00:50:01   favorites just for the sake of doing so [TS]

00:50:04   but because of the introduction of a [TS]

00:50:08   couple of absolute favorite in all of [TS]

00:50:10   Star Trek characters i have to pick as [TS]

00:50:13   best aliens the Cardassian because [TS]

00:50:15   without their introduction we would not [TS]

00:50:17   have to contact and we would [TS]

00:50:18   and have Derek who are two of the most [TS]

00:50:20   emotionally complex and personality [TS]

00:50:24   complex characters in all of the star [TS]

00:50:27   trek series for me that's that's the [TS]

00:50:30   simple quick and dirty answer that that [TS]

00:50:33   doesn't have a whole lot to back it up [TS]

00:50:34   other than than selfish joy at what the [TS]

00:50:38   into the introduction of that race [TS]

00:50:40   brought us in the form of more more more [TS]

00:50:44   depth to the tapestry of of one of the [TS]

00:50:46   series I like that they're introduces [TS]

00:50:48   this you know Marshall race that's kind [TS]

00:50:50   of their awful with weird goatees and [TS]

00:50:52   stuff that I'll get recommend i really [TS]

00:50:54   like that they are that they have a [TS]

00:50:56   revolution back home I think that's [TS]

00:50:59   really neat that's a fun thing that [TS]

00:51:00   happens in deep space nine is that they [TS]

00:51:03   have their revolution and they overthrow [TS]

00:51:04   the military government I think that's [TS]

00:51:06   kinda cool but a Cardassian like kind of [TS]

00:51:08   this this weird sin in some places [TS]

00:51:11   allegory for saudi arabia iran iran [TS]

00:51:15   especially i would say if you're looking [TS]

00:51:17   at middle eastern countries that have [TS]

00:51:19   those kinds of popular uprisings and [TS]

00:51:21   iron fist dictatorships that follow them [TS]

00:51:23   yeah that that have that kind of [TS]

00:51:25   devotional nature to them that there was [TS]

00:51:27   something that especially as deep space [TS]

00:51:28   nine was running was what made them more [TS]

00:51:32   interesting to me as more than just [TS]

00:51:33   another wrinkly forehead i'm just a [TS]

00:51:35   simple tailor its scott the best until [TS]

00:51:38   seasons you know it's not the best alien [TS]

00:51:41   with the Kardashians were were on my [TS]

00:51:43   list as well they were in second place [TS]

00:51:46   to the Romulans which I enjoy kind of [TS]

00:51:50   you know the the bad Vulcans the Vulcans [TS]

00:51:53   that that feel they have a Star Empire [TS]

00:51:55   they have cool ships they have shoulder [TS]

00:51:57   pads what what more could you want an [TS]

00:51:59   alien race it's through strong argument [TS]

00:52:01   there with some shoulder pads back you [TS]

00:52:04   can't beat it [TS]

00:52:05   I David best alien well I i was thinking [TS]

00:52:09   in terms of actual character not [TS]

00:52:11   necessarily the whole raise that's fine [TS]

00:52:13   but I i would I mean it goes [TS]

00:52:16   hand-in-hand really spoke in the Vulcans [TS]

00:52:18   for me mainly because most of the other [TS]

00:52:23   races especially the ones we get to know [TS]

00:52:24   over time [TS]

00:52:26   are pretty straightforward and and just [TS]

00:52:29   as a writer the challenge of writing and [TS]

00:52:33   unemotional you know a cold character [TS]

00:52:38   and still trying to make them [TS]

00:52:40   interesting and still trying to give [TS]

00:52:41   that depth to them that always intrigued [TS]

00:52:45   me and then especially because Spock is [TS]

00:52:48   have fuckin half-human I me not to go [TS]

00:52:49   with the half-breed trope that that TV [TS]

00:52:54   and movies love but that and again you [TS]

00:52:57   know what Nimoy brought to that was just [TS]

00:53:00   really interesting and maybe you know [TS]

00:53:02   you again you just wanted to write that [TS]

00:53:04   and and you know right up in second [TS]

00:53:08   place would be Garrick and ducati the [TS]

00:53:10   Cardassian for me because again it's the [TS]

00:53:12   same it's the same thing they're [TS]

00:53:14   interesting characters within this [TS]

00:53:17   larger race and they're different than [TS]

00:53:19   eight and they bring in again that depth [TS]

00:53:21   that makes the ds9 interesting after the [TS]

00:53:23   first year and a half so alright that's [TS]

00:53:26   iip can't go wrong with the Vulcans Tony [TS]

00:53:28   you have a best alien for me [TS]

00:53:31   yeah I I'm gonna go with the the board [TS]

00:53:35   as kind of the best villain you know I [TS]

00:53:36   mean we get introduced to a lot of [TS]

00:53:38   aliens and and some just are therefore [TS]

00:53:40   once like you know we mentioned the [TS]

00:53:41   bynar sweet hopefully we don't go back [TS]

00:53:43   to them alot and and there's something [TS]

00:53:46   that they introduced the pack lids that [TS]

00:53:48   they takes them a while to kind of [TS]

00:53:50   figure out what they're gonna do with it [TS]

00:53:51   and i'll touch on that on some of my [TS]

00:53:53   thoughts on the worst aliens but the [TS]

00:53:56   board are kind of one of those ones that [TS]

00:53:57   they have like the singular vision for [TS]

00:53:59   them is this villain is forcing their [TS]

00:54:01   kind of the the anti-federation right [TS]

00:54:03   instead of like everyone come together [TS]

00:54:05   cooperated solve problems it's like now [TS]

00:54:06   we are working out you will be absorbed [TS]

00:54:08   into this unified evil and they probably [TS]

00:54:12   go back to the board well a little bit [TS]

00:54:14   more than that they should you know i [TS]

00:54:16   love deep space nine a lot which is you [TS]

00:54:18   know does not have a lot of bourget [TS]

00:54:20   compared to other stuff but I think [TS]

00:54:22   they're they're pretty well playing this [TS]

00:54:25   represent board free [TS]

00:54:26   yeah so I'm going with the board all [TS]

00:54:29   right Briana you have a best alien for [TS]

00:54:31   me I have to agree with that i think the [TS]

00:54:33   Borg when the board show up that's when [TS]

00:54:35   Star Trek gets home [TS]

00:54:37   it's real [TS]

00:54:38   it's the best episode of TNG I had the [TS]

00:54:43   best of both worlds is when Voyager gets [TS]

00:54:46   awesome you know [TS]

00:54:47   unquestionably I think it's up to debate [TS]

00:54:49   with the very best Star Trek movie is [TS]

00:54:51   but your first contact is in the running [TS]

00:54:53   yes and I i think that I I thought a lot [TS]

00:54:56   about what makes the board so compelling [TS]

00:54:59   and I think Star Trek more than any [TS]

00:55:02   other science-fiction theme it's really [TS]

00:55:04   about you know it's it's a great [TS]

00:55:06   metaphor for Humanity in the different [TS]

00:55:09   personality types and racial complex and [TS]

00:55:11   things like that that we that we have [TS]

00:55:13   and I think what makes the boards such a [TS]

00:55:15   great like analog to that is the stakes [TS]

00:55:20   are so high because all of that [TS]

00:55:23   individuality is just a race with them [TS]

00:55:25   they're not just a threat to your race [TS]

00:55:27   their threat to end of a verizon [TS]

00:55:29   everything reality exactly a huge no [TS]

00:55:33   theme of Star Trek is the individual and [TS]

00:55:36   discovering you know the individual that [TS]

00:55:37   Spock Sark that seven of nines arc you [TS]

00:55:40   know this jazzy is arc in the sick huge [TS]

00:55:43   theme within the show so I i think i [TS]

00:55:47   know it's a predictable answer but I [TS]

00:55:48   think it's very defensible answer agree [TS]

00:55:51   if this was a vote [TS]

00:55:52   the board would have just one how many [TS]

00:55:55   the the only reason is what winning [TS]

00:55:57   feels like the only reason that I would [TS]

00:55:59   have held off picking them is that call [TS]

00:56:03   me star trek racist but but I I i have [TS]

00:56:06   trouble thinking of of things that are [TS]

00:56:10   artificial intelligence as alien [TS]

00:56:12   sentient beings and that's just because [TS]

00:56:14   I i guess i have an inbred prejudice [TS]

00:56:17   against robot but the board challenge on [TS]

00:56:18   the boards of cyborg i'm not saying that [TS]

00:56:20   one singles reasonable Jason what I'm [TS]

00:56:22   saying is I'm admitting that i'm going [TS]

00:56:24   to get and I sorry [TS]

00:56:25   shame on you boys I'm sorry excellent [TS]

00:56:27   choice and you should have picked it to [TS]

00:56:28   it is i just have to have something [TS]

00:56:30   resistance is futile i'm changing my [TS]

00:56:32   answer i think Briana you made one of [TS]

00:56:35   the good things about Voyager and star [TS]

00:56:37   trek first contact is I feel like they [TS]

00:56:39   redeem the board after next generation [TS]

00:56:41   kind of lost track what to do with them [TS]

00:56:43   well you know I kind of like the hue [TS]

00:56:45   bored episode but it opens this like [TS]

00:56:48   opens this Pandora's box with the with [TS]

00:56:51   the Lord [TS]

00:56:51   episodes to send ya where the board get [TS]

00:56:54   really kind of d powered and messed up [TS]

00:56:57   and are not as scary as they are and the [TS]

00:57:01   Voyager because voyagers on the run and [TS]

00:57:04   then the end they're scarier and seven [TS]

00:57:06   brings this whole other perspective to [TS]

00:57:08   it that we didn't really get with you or [TS]

00:57:11   with the cards brief time as the board [TS]

00:57:12   and and those stories made the board the [TS]

00:57:14   board we're going as a next-generation [TS]

00:57:16   family they were going in kind of a bad [TS]

00:57:18   direction and the only kinda likes hold [TS]

00:57:20   it back the other direction and the [TS]

00:57:21   man-made the much back to being a [TS]

00:57:23   classic billions they were the beginning [TS]

00:57:25   there's also a really good episode of [TS]

00:57:27   enterprise at the pork butt right but [TS]

00:57:29   they never know really who they are [TS]

00:57:31   because yeah of continuity reasons [TS]

00:57:33   they'll want to take a break for a [TS]

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00:59:40   incomparable i'm going to really quickly [TS]

00:59:42   I'm going to pick my favorite star [TS]

00:59:43   Kailyn is the Horta from the original [TS]

00:59:46   series [TS]

00:59:46   she's like Frank sadness and right yeah [TS]

00:59:50   how you feel how do you feel about [TS]

00:59:51   lasagnas reason just wondering if [TS]

00:59:53   there's any correlation like that love [TS]

00:59:54   the Horta because the Horta is a the [TS]

00:59:56   silicon-based life-form so we truly [TS]

00:59:58   alien life-form it's the monster [TS]

00:59:58   alien life-form it's the monster [TS]

01:00:00   but it turns out guys it turns out the [TS]

01:00:02   real monster is us because they've been [TS]

01:00:05   taking her eggs as prices and cracking [TS]

01:00:07   them and stuff and just being awful and [TS]

01:00:10   that she's just trying to protect your [TS]

01:00:11   ex man and in the end [TS]

01:00:13   Spock mind melds with her and and they [TS]

01:00:15   figured things out and she brings back [TS]

01:00:17   how in a blob could steal a very [TS]

01:00:20   specific part from a reactor is beyond [TS]

01:00:22   me but it doesn't matter i think that's [TS]

01:00:24   a really cool that was one of the [TS]

01:00:25   moments as a kid especially was like wow [TS]

01:00:27   that that monster is good and I can [TS]

01:00:30   understand its motivations and I think [TS]

01:00:33   Star Trek is great when it's like what [TS]

01:00:35   it takes you completely out of what your [TS]

01:00:37   expectations are going to be and that [TS]

01:00:38   was one of those original Star Trek [TS]

01:00:40   moments where the thing you thought was [TS]

01:00:43   a was typically a monster is actually [TS]

01:00:45   somebody that you have to think of as a [TS]

01:00:48   as a living intelligent being even [TS]

01:00:50   though you did you know it doesn't have [TS]

01:00:51   limbs or anything [TS]

01:00:53   it is a blob it is like a big pancake or [TS]

01:00:56   lasagna space lisanna i really love [TS]

01:00:59   working because it is so alien and yet [TS]

01:01:01   in the end it's just a mom protecting [TS]

01:01:03   her babies [TS]

01:01:04   I think that and Hort omelets are [TS]

01:01:06   delicious they are what they taste like [TS]

01:01:08   sand Scott that's right [TS]

01:01:10   mm anyway i like the word to my success [TS]

01:01:13   you have a bad alien for us i have to [TS]

01:01:16   unequivocally pic somewhat related to [TS]

01:01:18   the point that people raised on on some [TS]

01:01:21   alien races just in the other direction [TS]

01:01:23   the beyond her i mean the traveller [TS]

01:01:25   traveller traveller traveller his creepy [TS]

01:01:29   spaceman and it's not because back it's [TS]

01:01:32   not it's not because I think he's [TS]

01:01:34   necessarily so bad of a character or [TS]

01:01:36   anything it's that he's he's a deus ex [TS]

01:01:39   macking it that's that shows up and then [TS]

01:01:42   just kind of really cute with less [TS]

01:01:44   charisma exactly like he's like he's [TS]

01:01:47   like you know honorable mention cute [TS]

01:01:50   he's cute powerful but our rivers [TS]

01:01:53   naresse yeah yeah he's he's sometimes y [TS]

01:01:57   or 3 z's I could never take this it [TS]

01:02:00   seriously the scenes where he's like [TS]

01:02:01   helping like overclock the enterprise [TS]

01:02:04   it's like if your all-powerful like you [TS]

01:02:05   don't want to be like working some other [TS]

01:02:07   people's interface that just seems [TS]

01:02:09   really the media [TS]

01:02:10   seriously sup feel loved the electrodes [TS]

01:02:14   and he doesn't take Wesley away though [TS]

01:02:17   so his real name is unpronounceable by [TS]

01:02:19   humans you know [TS]

01:02:20   yeah what yeah what do you think Wesley [TS]

01:02:21   wanted to go off to military school [TS]

01:02:23   after you get back from hanging out you [TS]

01:02:25   know that guys are always on you have [TS]

01:02:29   your gap year and then you go to college [TS]

01:02:31   yeah your gap year is traveling the [TS]

01:02:32   universe with the traveler learning to [TS]

01:02:34   open your mind to new community should [TS]

01:02:37   be ready for every I just look at your [TS]

01:02:39   vm yeah [TS]

01:02:40   Wesley did get credit it turns out for [TS]

01:02:42   traveling you have to major in traveling [TS]

01:02:44   though unfortunately that's the downside [TS]

01:02:46   de traveled the untold mysteries of the [TS]

01:02:48   multiverse and then he comes back and [TS]

01:02:51   decides you know what I want to go to [TS]

01:02:52   school [TS]

01:02:53   what so in where no one has gone before [TS]

01:02:56   the traveler is kind of interesting [TS]

01:02:58   because he's this weird like you know [TS]

01:03:00   over this weird alien with powers was [TS]

01:03:02   behind it all [TS]

01:03:02   and.and you think like wow I wonder if [TS]

01:03:04   you'll ever come back wouldn't that be [TS]

01:03:05   interesting and the answer is no not [TS]

01:03:07   really that interesting when he comes [TS]

01:03:08   he's much less interesting well man it's [TS]

01:03:11   gonna be so cool hey its back up off [TS]

01:03:13   wesley crusher cuz I'll defend him don't [TS]

01:03:15   let him to the death no it's just the [TS]

01:03:17   traveler out not a not okay alright with [TS]

01:03:19   you there with your right scott give me [TS]

01:03:21   a bad alien i have on my notes here [TS]

01:03:25   whatever Neelix is Maxie and relaxin why [TS]

01:03:31   we're always made me even the chatroom [TS]

01:03:33   knew I didn't want I blocked it out of [TS]

01:03:36   my memory and I didn't want to bother to [TS]

01:03:37   look at me but that seemed easy too easy [TS]

01:03:41   of a choice [TS]

01:03:42   oh how what are you looking to do [TS]

01:03:44   especially so I'm picking the assurance [TS]

01:03:48   or they were on my list they were my [TS]

01:03:50   backup [TS]

01:03:50   oh yeah [TS]

01:03:51   wow yeah that was there the wrinkly no [TS]

01:03:54   space is because they're boring Scott it [TS]

01:03:57   is because they are obscenely boring i [TS]

01:03:59   love deep space 9 [TS]

01:04:00   I hate any bridge or in religious [TS]

01:04:03   centered episode of deep space here let [TS]

01:04:07   me let me feel your palm [TS]

01:04:09   no that's operate no no I don't care [TS]

01:04:13   about the kinds i don't care about the [TS]

01:04:15   orbs I don't care about the earrings i [TS]

01:04:17   like here in the reefs as a character [TS]

01:04:19   think she's a great cast but the Jordans [TS]

01:04:22   as a whole so boring [TS]

01:04:24   yeah more like it bore jordans uh-huh [TS]

01:04:27   the last thing I wanted to hear Jadzia [TS]

01:04:30   Dax a was major Kira it's vetiver aisle [TS]

01:04:34   are you know that's not what about war [TS]

01:04:37   orphans how do you feel about war [TS]

01:04:38   orphans [TS]

01:04:39   no I think they're they're really only [TS]

01:04:41   interesting in relation to the the [TS]

01:04:44   Cardassian yeah and I when you put those [TS]

01:04:46   two together they're kind of like Batman [TS]

01:04:48   and the Joker you know like yeah it's [TS]

01:04:51   going that bad man in this tonight yeah [TS]

01:04:53   i don't think i might take offense at [TS]

01:04:55   this [TS]

01:04:56   yeah well I Val Kilmer Batman I think [TS]

01:04:59   that they have a lot of anger [TS]

01:05:01   frustration in oppression that's [TS]

01:05:04   interesting as characters but yeah i [TS]

01:05:06   agree that like is it as an alien [TS]

01:05:09   species in and of themselves they're [TS]

01:05:11   they're just kind of boring like they [TS]

01:05:13   don't really have a trait you know they [TS]

01:05:15   exist to be oppressed like they're not [TS]

01:05:17   nearly as rich in texture as the [TS]

01:05:20   Cardassians are not just talking about [TS]

01:05:22   their facial applications then one of [TS]

01:05:24   just isn't as much to them unfortunately [TS]

01:05:26   one of the problems that the Deep Space [TS]

01:05:28   Nine Riders had is they were sketching [TS]

01:05:30   out gold ducat as you know this awful [TS]

01:05:32   guy that the audience should hate and he [TS]

01:05:33   keeps talking about how many jordans [TS]

01:05:35   he's killed but the audiences love them [TS]

01:05:37   because everybody doesn't like the [TS]

01:05:38   shorts there's some interesting things [TS]

01:05:41   happening because they they have so [TS]

01:05:42   little personality other they're great [TS]

01:05:44   cooks and they're very spiritual nice [TS]

01:05:47   pacifist people but what did they ever [TS]

01:05:49   do for anybody really can we ask i think [TS]

01:05:51   that's the issue is i think the majority [TS]

01:05:52   are kind of an enemy to drama in and [TS]

01:05:55   they tried they had checked terrorists [TS]

01:05:56   and things like that but I never really [TS]

01:05:58   believed that the majority's were really [TS]

01:05:59   you know tough or problematic in anyway [TS]

01:06:01   because they wanted to make them like [TS]

01:06:03   these they're very spiritual people and [TS]

01:06:05   they just [TS]

01:06:05   got out of this planet wide occupation [TS]

01:06:07   so they're all just about being happy [TS]

01:06:08   now man [TS]

01:06:09   and here is an interesting character [TS]

01:06:11   because she's a military person who kind [TS]

01:06:12   of fights against some of the [TS]

01:06:14   stereotypes of her people but the people [TS]

01:06:16   themselves [TS]

01:06:17   yeah that was there was an awful lot of [TS]

01:06:19   the German stuff in deep space nine that [TS]

01:06:20   was boring [TS]

01:06:21   there's also the tricky thing there were [TS]

01:06:23   like they're kind of setup is like it's [TS]

01:06:25   gonna be interesting because they're [TS]

01:06:25   going to be working with the Federation [TS]

01:06:26   but they're not going to join the [TS]

01:06:27   federation it's like you have invested a [TS]

01:06:29   lot of Star Trek and basically selling [TS]

01:06:31   us on how great the Federation usually [TS]

01:06:34   is and you haven't really given us an [TS]

01:06:36   interesting idea for why these guys [TS]

01:06:38   don't want to join the federation other [TS]

01:06:40   than that can be a point of tension [TS]

01:06:42   right now the episode where Cara goes [TS]

01:06:45   undercover with the monkey with a bunch [TS]

01:06:47   of merger with Jordans and there's this [TS]

01:06:49   old man who kind of reminds her of her [TS]

01:06:51   dad and he cooks for he's a great cook [TS]

01:06:54   and and she starts to kind of go native [TS]

01:06:56   with the revolutionaries there was no [TS]

01:06:59   clear motivation as to why she had [TS]

01:07:01   changed other than maybe I was really [TS]

01:07:03   that good of a club and that there was [TS]

01:07:05   never any cell to me a sports sports the [TS]

01:07:08   response ok [TS]

01:07:09   must've been the sports but for me there [TS]

01:07:11   is no cannon radiated there's no cell to [TS]

01:07:13   me of what their real motivation was [TS]

01:07:15   other than they were the oppressed and [TS]

01:07:17   served an outline purpose of being the [TS]

01:07:19   oppressed there was there is no great [TS]

01:07:22   amazing but Jordan episode the Jordans [TS]

01:07:24   just were because they kind of had to be [TS]

01:07:27   to serve a functional yes and like you [TS]

01:07:30   could have probably done something [TS]

01:07:31   interesting about like we just got out [TS]

01:07:33   from under Cardassian rule obviously the [TS]

01:07:35   Federation is great but like we need to [TS]

01:07:37   figure out who we are and like and [TS]

01:07:38   something like that but that's not in [TS]

01:07:40   there right a little too seen saintly [TS]

01:07:41   for me too [TS]

01:07:42   yeah you know I i did i just felt like [TS]

01:07:44   they were never meant to be an opponent [TS]

01:07:47   of the Federation and so they were then [TS]

01:07:50   sort of less interesting because they [TS]

01:07:51   were like our bodies on that planet down [TS]

01:07:54   there [TS]

01:07:54   yeah every every time we really dealt [TS]

01:07:57   with jordans for the most part it was [TS]

01:07:59   sort of like the difference between [TS]

01:08:00   dealing with vatican city and dealing [TS]

01:08:02   with a church halfway around the world [TS]

01:08:03   they were always dealing with the Pope [TS]

01:08:05   and how much experience do you have with [TS]

01:08:07   this and find out just taking notes like [TS]

01:08:09   you're not dealing with everybody else [TS]

01:08:12   on the planet you're just dealing with [TS]

01:08:13   the veteran in the chi is it's like who [TS]

01:08:16   cares [TS]

01:08:16   series that's not interesting but the [TS]

01:08:19   majority's header had a pope that didn't [TS]

01:08:21   add that had lots of free time lots and [TS]

01:08:24   lots of a three-time two rooms major [TS]

01:08:25   religiously based spaceballs potato [TS]

01:08:27   David you have a bad alien free [TS]

01:08:29   oh yes we sort of hinted at him before [TS]

01:08:32   he is the more charismatic traveler I [TS]

01:08:35   hate Q I enjoy q but I hate Q because he [TS]

01:08:41   is a deus ex machina I mean the first [TS]

01:08:43   time we meet the Borg it's because he [TS]

01:08:45   flashes over there and the only way the [TS]

01:08:49   enterprise gets away is that he goes [TS]

01:08:50   snap and they go away [TS]

01:08:53   no no no no and a major almost every [TS]

01:08:58   time once in a while I would like a [TS]

01:09:00   queue episode my favorite q episode is [TS]

01:09:02   the only one except the finale that is [TS]

01:09:04   not titled with Q opposites tapestry [TS]

01:09:07   that's a great one and you know and and [TS]

01:09:09   even even the finale has a giant giant [TS]

01:09:13   gap in logic that's a whole other story [TS]

01:09:15   and so that that you know I just I hate [TS]

01:09:18   Q every time because it was just so [TS]

01:09:19   let's let's do Q he's all-powerful and [TS]

01:09:22   anything can happen and you know I loved [TS]

01:09:25   Ben Sisko punching him out for instance [TS]

01:09:27   yeah so you know it was very cathartic [TS]

01:09:29   and i like i like john de lancie thought [TS]

01:09:32   he did a fine job with a problematic [TS]

01:09:34   character maybe a little too far [TS]

01:09:37   sometimes and then the parts of tapestry [TS]

01:09:39   that make me cringe are mostly him being [TS]

01:09:42   silly but yeah I just I I couldn't stand [TS]

01:09:46   it I could I could even take the [TS]

01:09:47   traveler just because he's mellow he [TS]

01:09:49   doesn't really bother you and he goes oh [TS]

01:09:50   yeah by the way I can do this goodbye [TS]

01:09:52   it's like a spa surfer yeah yeah i'm not [TS]

01:09:56   a big fan of you either so I'm not gonna [TS]

01:09:58   lie i don't know if he's the worst but i [TS]

01:10:01   think we set on a previous star trek [TS]

01:10:03   related episode at some point i'm not a [TS]

01:10:04   huge fan because of that but not [TS]

01:10:06   necessarily because of the character [TS]

01:10:09   itself but that it is so powerful that Q [TS]

01:10:11   ends up being a a plot solution and yeah [TS]

01:10:15   those episodes you can almost ignore [TS]

01:10:17   what's the logic because it Q is going [TS]

01:10:19   to solve it in the end I mean is you [TS]

01:10:21   feeling he's not really a villain [TS]

01:10:22   because they can't really fight him [TS]

01:10:24   right [TS]

01:10:25   they can't conquer them they can't you [TS]

01:10:27   mean which is fine that could [TS]

01:10:29   has been interesting but they never did [TS]

01:10:31   anything with it and but again it was a [TS]

01:10:33   rotten very thing so there you go [TS]

01:10:36   Tony available i'm gonna go with the the [TS]

01:10:40   Ferengi yeah there's my back i think i [TS]

01:10:43   mentioned the thing where they like [TS]

01:10:45   sometimes introduce an alien and then [TS]

01:10:47   don't really figure out what they're [TS]

01:10:48   gonna do with them to later and that's [TS]

01:10:50   like they really try to salvage the [TS]

01:10:51   Ferengi were supposed to be clinging [TS]

01:10:53   onto the action they were scary yeah see [TS]

01:10:55   how that worked out great [TS]

01:10:56   they had those whips that will never see [TS]

01:10:58   interesting look at blue whips yeah that [TS]

01:11:00   was kinda cool but they we couldn't take [TS]

01:11:02   them seriously and then they became [TS]

01:11:04   annoying comic relief and i really like [TS]

01:11:06   deep space nine but the Frankie episodes [TS]

01:11:08   are on those are I think those are below [TS]

01:11:11   the click on episode with possible [TS]

01:11:13   exception a little green men they are [TS]

01:11:15   they are painful I i would say i would [TS]

01:11:18   say i don't really agree with that it's [TS]

01:11:20   not because I don't like the Frankie I [TS]

01:11:22   mean I like the Frankie you like you I [TS]

01:11:25   can skip for those episodes because [TS]

01:11:27   there's so much annoying characters and [TS]

01:11:29   by the way the worst episode boys heard [TS]

01:11:32   once with Frankie but i think they serve [TS]

01:11:35   a really vital plot purpose and I think [TS]

01:11:38   like his star trek is really optimistic [TS]

01:11:41   vision of where humanity can go and [TS]

01:11:45   there are a lot of really cool things so [TS]

01:11:47   yeah I was talking on twitter today one [TS]

01:11:48   of the things I really enjoy about Star [TS]

01:11:50   Trek is when you know like they're all [TS]

01:11:53   working on the ship together like the [TS]

01:11:54   men justice in the women know what [TS]

01:11:56   they're doing which is a really cool [TS]

01:11:58   awesome future so and I think the [TS]

01:12:00   Frankie are kind of a counterpoint to [TS]

01:12:02   that to the itto pianism where they're [TS]

01:12:04   kind of holding onto this materialism [TS]

01:12:07   and and greed that kind of defines like [TS]

01:12:09   this current age of humanity and I I [TS]

01:12:13   think like they're annoying but they [TS]

01:12:15   serve a really important plot purpose [TS]

01:12:17   because of that and you know I korkin [TS]

01:12:19   and O's whatever you want to define the [TS]

01:12:22   relationship with his is charming and [TS]

01:12:24   one of my favorite parts of abuse is not [TS]

01:12:26   yeah I enjoy cork I yes sort of let the [TS]

01:12:29   rest and you know it is cool that like [TS]

01:12:31   not gets to to be a cadet right and that [TS]

01:12:34   kind of shows like you know eventually [TS]

01:12:35   the Federation everyone everyone will [TS]

01:12:37   find their place eventually but yeah [TS]

01:12:40   they're the water so broadly drawn [TS]

01:12:42   that it's yeah yeah I'll also mention [TS]

01:12:45   you know in Voyager there's the aliens [TS]

01:12:49   called species 8472 yeah which I i don't [TS]

01:12:53   i thought those were really cool in [TS]

01:12:54   concept because like they were so [TS]

01:12:55   different from everything out there but [TS]

01:12:58   the cgi implementation was kind of [TS]

01:13:00   disappointing for me at the time really [TS]

01:13:02   doesn't hold out you know [TS]

01:13:03   yeah but they worked at the idea was so [TS]

01:13:06   great right they're not going to just [TS]

01:13:07   look like people in suits they live in [TS]

01:13:09   fluid space they're you know they're [TS]

01:13:11   this thing that like the board is [TS]

01:13:12   basically afraid of like they I mean I [TS]

01:13:15   guess you know it was gonna be hard to [TS]

01:13:16   live up to that but well if you look at [TS]

01:13:19   them from 3d perspective they're just [TS]

01:13:21   very flat shaded and you kind may have [TS]

01:13:24   no texture to have no texture on it it's [TS]

01:13:26   a marathon they hang out again at all [TS]

01:13:28   your integrity fluid space but they have [TS]

01:13:31   here in non-food Spanish that's the [TS]

01:13:33   problem glad I resented Begley Brianna [TS]

01:13:36   you have a bad feeling for me [TS]

01:13:37   oh man I you know I think I I said it [TS]

01:13:40   with the majority of my choice right [TS]

01:13:42   there [TS]

01:13:43   um I i think i don't know i think i [TS]

01:13:46   think even I i could blast the Gorn but [TS]

01:13:49   you know I was talking to Frank about [TS]

01:13:51   this on the yeah because it was right [TS]

01:13:53   now that mirror episode of enterprise is [TS]

01:13:55   pretty cool though right he's cool in [TS]

01:13:57   and have any of you guys ever played [TS]

01:13:59   eyes startrack 2000 i think it was 2010 [TS]

01:14:03   star trek game is maybe an unreal candy [TS]

01:14:05   is applied that is so awesome because [TS]

01:14:08   it's the Gorn it's like a shooter we're [TS]

01:14:12   fighting Gorn the entire time and they [TS]

01:14:14   have the world's best commercial for it [TS]

01:14:16   where like Captain Kirk like me older [TS]

01:14:18   william shatner is on the couch playing [TS]

01:14:21   yeah it's hilarious like playing the [TS]

01:14:24   actual Gorn in this game so yeah I can [TS]

01:14:27   say they're terrible alien species [TS]

01:14:29   because like they're really awesome we [TS]

01:14:31   get see the rest of them in this [TS]

01:14:32   expanded universe so I just gonna stick [TS]

01:14:34   with Jordans uh I am going to i'm going [TS]

01:14:39   to oppose Scott and say I think the [TS]

01:14:41   Romulans of the worst aliens really rom [TS]

01:14:44   um I don't like the shoulder judgy much [TS]

01:14:46   i think the I think there missy i [TS]

01:14:49   misused I think the oh well we'll just [TS]

01:14:51   use the Vulcan makeup and do that again [TS]

01:14:53   and they're like bad Vulcans but they're [TS]

01:14:54   really just Vulcans [TS]

01:14:55   balance of terror is a classic it's a [TS]

01:14:57   wonderful episode but i think that there [TS]

01:14:59   are not a lot of great use of the [TS]

01:15:00   Romulans I I'll point you to the the [TS]

01:15:04   let's bring back Tasha Yar as a Romulan [TS]

01:15:07   are all as one elderly are particularly [TS]

01:15:11   unfortunate and I think while the [TS]

01:15:13   Klingons benefited greatly from some [TS]

01:15:15   let's be honest some writers who really [TS]

01:15:17   liked the Klingons like Ron Moore and [TS]

01:15:19   and having having a wharf on the bridge [TS]

01:15:23   of the enterprise all of that we got to [TS]

01:15:25   explore Klingon culture and and and [TS]

01:15:27   really flesh out the Klingons but from [TS]

01:15:29   being the cartoon villains that they [TS]

01:15:30   were the Romulans I feel when the other [TS]

01:15:32   direction which is I think the Romulans [TS]

01:15:34   were much more intriguing characters at [TS]

01:15:36   the beginning when we first see them in [TS]

01:15:37   the original Star Trek but then the more [TS]

01:15:39   we saw of them the less interesting they [TS]

01:15:41   got to me and and you know and then it [TS]

01:15:43   culminates in nemesis which is in a bad [TS]

01:15:46   movie that has lots of Romulans in it [TS]

01:15:49   well technically it has Raymond's which [TS]

01:15:52   are awful [TS]

01:15:53   hey thank you Scott never change never [TS]

01:15:55   to have them both the Romulans are in [TS]

01:15:58   there for maybe five minutes and it is a [TS]

01:16:00   part of the underrated and kind of [TS]

01:16:03   misused Romulan race they dive in about [TS]

01:16:06   two seconds a dodgy alternative the [TS]

01:16:08   realm's which make no sense and also [TS]

01:16:10   eric bana would like you to fire [TS]

01:16:12   everything because he is also a very [TS]

01:16:14   disturbed Romulan in the in Star Trek [TS]

01:16:16   and the weakest thing in the Star Trek [TS]

01:16:18   JJ Abrams movie I think anyway i don't i [TS]

01:16:21   don't love them i think I I could have [TS]

01:16:23   said they're overrated but i think they [TS]

01:16:24   are the worst no III you've already [TS]

01:16:26   mentioned the Germans in the Ferengi who [TS]

01:16:28   are the other two ones on my list so [TS]

01:16:29   i'll throw in the Romulans I think the [TS]

01:16:30   Romulans are not as good as they should [TS]

01:16:32   be as to of as the two major alien races [TS]

01:16:35   in startrack I think they have they put [TS]

01:16:39   it this way i think they deserve some [TS]

01:16:41   love in like on TV or in movies and and [TS]

01:16:44   some better treatment from from the [TS]

01:16:46   writers that they've got 90 in some of [TS]

01:16:48   the books but not yeah not an indicated [TS]

01:16:51   the show portrayal i think next [TS]

01:16:52   generation especially kind of just lost [TS]

01:16:54   it with the Romulans they seem kind of [TS]

01:16:55   scared to figure out what they were [TS]

01:16:57   gonna do with them and so they're just [TS]

01:16:58   kind of mysterious an isolationist for a [TS]

01:17:01   law very long tight [TS]

01:17:02   I mean any any Romulan novel by dying [TS]

01:17:05   Dwayne yeah those are the one well worth [TS]

01:17:07   reading those of those that those that's [TS]

01:17:09   good stuff 300 stuff which is sort of [TS]

01:17:10   not reflected in anything that they [TS]

01:17:12   actually did in the show [TS]

01:17:13   unfortunately yeah and that shows the [TS]

01:17:16   opposite side of what I said about the [TS]

01:17:18   Vulcans is you know hear you're taking [TS]

01:17:20   this thing and they've got a little more [TS]

01:17:21   emotion and they actually made it less [TS]

01:17:23   interesting this brief break in the [TS]

01:17:25   action is not an ad so much as a little [TS]

01:17:28   promotion for the incomparable i just [TS]

01:17:29   want to mention if you are a fan of [TS]

01:17:31   other TV shows that are not Star Trek [TS]

01:17:33   such as arrow the flash game of thrones [TS]

01:17:36   maybe even dare devil which just [TS]

01:17:38   premiered on netflix you should check [TS]

01:17:40   out our TV podcast search your podcast [TS]

01:17:42   of choice for te ve or go to the [TS]

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01:17:47   there we cover episode by episode game [TS]

01:17:50   of thrones arrow the flash and maybe [TS]

01:17:52   daredevil we're talking about it and [TS]

01:17:54   Doctor Who when it comes back in the [TS]

01:17:55   fall so check it out if you're [TS]

01:17:56   interested in television [TS]

01:17:58   alright we're going to move to the [TS]

01:18:00   lightning round before we go we got a [TS]

01:18:01   lightning round where you're going to [TS]

01:18:02   say things that are gonna blow [TS]

01:18:03   everybody's mind which is we're gonna go [TS]

01:18:05   overrated and underrated thing from Star [TS]

01:18:08   Trek will try to keep this on the short [TS]

01:18:10   side because it's getting late but I [TS]

01:18:12   want to I want to do this because it [TS]

01:18:13   would be weird and i have no idea what [TS]

01:18:14   people are going to say [TS]

01:18:15   Brianna do you have an overrated thing [TS]

01:18:17   from Star Trek actually want to give me [TS]

01:18:19   both give me an overrated thing and an [TS]

01:18:20   underrated thing from start I think the [TS]

01:18:22   most overrated thing our first officers [TS]

01:18:24   and star trek they almost always stuff [TS]

01:18:27   no Spock second account because he's a [TS]

01:18:30   science on yes and major carrier is not [TS]

01:18:32   going to count because scheana she's not [TS]

01:18:34   really first officer liaison Chakotay [TS]

01:18:36   sucks yeah the guy kinda sucks yeah and [TS]

01:18:42   you said you know those two responding [TS]

01:18:44   to write this in the schedule beard [TS]

01:18:45   though I I think we need to just own [TS]

01:18:48   that and admit it and embrace it [TS]

01:18:50   so I gosh list underrated thing in [TS]

01:18:54   startrack move [TS]

01:18:57   I had a really good one now I'm blanking [TS]

01:18:59   like can come back to me in a minute [TS]

01:19:00   okay okay we'll go through override are [TS]

01:19:02   gonna come back [TS]

01:19:03   ok we'll just do it that way with us our [TS]

01:19:04   conventional way David Lord you have [TS]

01:19:06   some overrated for us [TS]

01:19:07   I got something overrated Roddenberry oh [TS]

01:19:11   yeah [TS]

01:19:13   I am I want you in seven ways yeah [TS]

01:19:15   almost everything awful about the [TS]

01:19:18   original series i mean yeah okay he be [TS]

01:19:20   created the show but almost everything [TS]

01:19:21   awful about it came from him too and and [TS]

01:19:24   you know it just hate the way he would [TS]

01:19:27   rewrite things I mean fine yeah I get [TS]

01:19:29   that you want consistency want everyone [TS]

01:19:32   to sound like and yes that's fine and [TS]

01:19:34   and no Harlan Ellison city on the edge [TS]

01:19:37   of forever wouldn't quite have worked [TS]

01:19:39   the way he wrote it right it's just it [TS]

01:19:41   would Roddenberry Dwight didn't rewrite [TS]

01:19:43   it Dorothy Fontana rerouted and that's [TS]

01:19:45   right if you read as you i think you [TS]

01:19:47   just did as you escalated these are the [TS]

01:19:48   voyages it's very clear that all the [TS]

01:19:50   gene roddenberry had the original idea [TS]

01:19:52   and he definitely set the tone in the [TS]

01:19:54   people who have probably the most to [TS]

01:19:56   getting the original series to be what [TS]

01:19:58   we think of it now are Dorothy Fontana [TS]

01:20:00   and gene Coon not gene roddenberry Gene [TS]

01:20:02   Roddenberry brought the characters he is [TS]

01:20:03   definitely very responsible for it but [TS]

01:20:06   he is not the sole creator of this thing [TS]

01:20:08   because so much of the contributions [TS]

01:20:10   were made by Fontana and coon one and [TS]

01:20:13   you you just anticipated my underrated I [TS]

01:20:15   underrated is Jean Coonan and ortho [TS]

01:20:17   panic all right because I mean how much [TS]

01:20:19   of it came from them [TS]

01:20:21   Spock's parents the the Vulcan history [TS]

01:20:23   the prime directive the Klingon our [TS]

01:20:26   fleet is a started lee jeans because you [TS]

01:20:28   know except of Starfleet Command all of [TS]

01:20:31   that is Jim Coon in fontana Jean who's [TS]

01:20:34   who's taken amphetamines basically speed [TS]

01:20:37   to write all the episodes and rewrite [TS]

01:20:40   all these other episodes it's just [TS]

01:20:41   creates a crazy story but then you know [TS]

01:20:43   when when you look I mean the beautiful [TS]

01:20:46   thing in these are the voyages is that [TS]

01:20:47   you get that list of every draft and who [TS]

01:20:50   did every drink yeah who touched up and [TS]

01:20:52   who rewrote whom when and you know and [TS]

01:20:55   and some of those you look at and it's [TS]

01:20:57   like half the page or almost the whole [TS]

01:20:59   page is this list of how many drafts [TS]

01:21:01   they were and then you get to things [TS]

01:21:02   like devil in the dark where there's [TS]

01:21:04   like what three lines four lines and [TS]

01:21:05   it's all gene Coon yeah and that one [TS]

01:21:08   turned out great so I'll also point out [TS]

01:21:11   22 just further your point here after [TS]

01:21:15   Star Trek the motion picture paramount [TS]

01:21:16   basically took Gene Roddenberry away [TS]

01:21:18   from creative control of Star Trek and [TS]

01:21:20   Star Trek to our Bennett who just died [TS]

01:21:22   recently was put in charge of star trek [TS]

01:21:25   to basically two [TS]

01:21:26   and then on 2 3 4 5 34 and then brought [TS]

01:21:29   back for 6i think five not so much [TS]

01:21:32   no he was in five was indeed yeah just [TS]

01:21:34   452 yeah he did he was only producing [TS]

01:21:36   with the dead so I well 555 would send [TS]

01:21:40   anybody offer from yes but but the point [TS]

01:21:42   is he was brought in to to do save it to [TS]

01:21:48   turn the franchise around which he did [TS]

01:21:49   and as we know Roddenberry for health [TS]

01:21:52   reasons stepped away from the next [TS]

01:21:53   generation sort of into it with the end [TS]

01:21:55   of the second season and quite honestly [TS]

01:21:57   that's when that show started getting [TS]

01:21:58   good to consider his mitts off of it and [TS]

01:22:00   stop saying we can't have conflict [TS]

01:22:02   because if in the future everybody's [TS]

01:22:03   perfect so yeah it's like everyone [TS]

01:22:05   everyone that he brought in with him [TS]

01:22:07   from the original series on to next [TS]

01:22:08   generation left pretty quickly [TS]

01:22:11   I can't wait to hear from the people who [TS]

01:22:14   have detailed nine-page websites [TS]

01:22:17   explained to me the brilliance of Gene [TS]

01:22:18   Roddenberry and how he's a genius [TS]

01:22:20   because the parallels with George Lucas [TS]

01:22:23   are spectacular [TS]

01:22:25   you really have to look at the [TS]

01:22:26   unpublished you do you know like around [TS]

01:22:29   Moises give me a little overrated thing [TS]

01:22:33   even doesn't do lightning [TS]

01:22:34   I've gotta I've gotta start underrated [TS]

01:22:36   because I just blanked on overrated [TS]

01:22:38   ok I'm not yet underrated underrated [TS]

01:22:40   Michael piller in a unique and [TS]

01:22:42   generators had showrunner that deserves [TS]

01:22:45   radically more credit than he's given [TS]

01:22:47   for doing new and interesting and [TS]

01:22:50   different things with Star Trek than [TS]

01:22:53   people we would like to say well chapter [TS]

01:22:55   in verse this is the way this is [TS]

01:22:57   supposed to go and so on and so forth a [TS]

01:23:00   brilliant mind a brilliant person from [TS]

01:23:02   from the opinions of everybody who [TS]

01:23:04   worked with him and created some really [TS]

01:23:06   amazing star trek under his tenure i [TS]

01:23:09   would say okay my overrated actually [TS]

01:23:11   does play into it which is the notion [TS]

01:23:12   that every series has to feature a [TS]

01:23:15   starship called enterprise i think that [TS]

01:23:17   that kind of slavish devotion kind of [TS]

01:23:20   dovetailing with with the gene [TS]

01:23:21   roddenberry pick that is is something [TS]

01:23:24   that i would argue might be part of what [TS]

01:23:27   is keeping star trek off of television [TS]

01:23:29   right now and it it is it is one of the [TS]

01:23:32   central tenets that that super super [TS]

01:23:35   slave Ashley quote-unquote traditional [TS]

01:23:38   fans like to cling to whenever something [TS]

01:23:42   new different challenging or that better [TS]

01:23:45   reflects our modern world is introduced [TS]

01:23:47   and if anything it actually goes right [TS]

01:23:49   back to things that Roddenberry said but [TS]

01:23:51   that I think other people came up with [TS]

01:23:53   in Roddenberry's swiped because that's [TS]

01:23:54   where he got a lot of his best ideas [TS]

01:23:55   which is that Star Trek shooting some [TS]

01:23:59   way reflect the times in which it is [TS]

01:24:01   placed and some of the very changes you [TS]

01:24:04   know the fact that there is this big war [TS]

01:24:06   thing going on deep space 9 various [TS]

01:24:08   social issues that would be introduced [TS]

01:24:10   things that Roddenberry himself would [TS]

01:24:12   fight against during the short amount of [TS]

01:24:14   time he was actually on next-generation [TS]

01:24:15   mostly having to do with women's roles [TS]

01:24:18   on on the ship those the there's this [TS]

01:24:23   amazing paradox that again talking back [TS]

01:24:26   to run Barry thing that comes from this [TS]

01:24:29   is what Star Trek is period end of story [TS]

01:24:32   after saying oh it should be this [TS]

01:24:33   broadly accessible thing that somehow [TS]

01:24:37   attaches itself to the times in which we [TS]

01:24:39   live and the changing world in which we [TS]

01:24:41   live but then it suddenly becomes an old [TS]

01:24:44   man who gets more conservative as he [TS]

01:24:45   gets older and as well buttered also be [TS]

01:24:47   like this all right I think that's a I [TS]

01:24:50   think that's a good one Briana you want [TS]

01:24:51   to come back with underrated since over [TS]

01:24:53   here doing both [TS]

01:24:54   alright i'm just going to give you [TS]

01:24:55   voyager is going on and I have spoken my [TS]

01:24:59   piece of the aperture on many occasions [TS]

01:25:01   but i would like to do very briefly have [TS]

01:25:03   a wider philosophical arguments about [TS]

01:25:06   starter I'm water eastern lightning [TS]

01:25:09   philosophical lightning too haha that's [TS]

01:25:12   our new podcast series a lot of a lot of [TS]

01:25:15   Star Trek fans on you know they're [TS]

01:25:17   typically a little bit older and they [TS]

01:25:18   typically really love tos and they [TS]

01:25:21   really love tangi but there's a there's [TS]

01:25:24   a theme of Star Trek well of that kind [TS]

01:25:28   of Star Trek fan being eternally unhappy [TS]

01:25:31   with new star trek as it comes out [TS]

01:25:34   remember when Deep Space nine came out [TS]

01:25:36   and people are screaming Aaron Voyager [TS]

01:25:38   came out and people screaming remember [TS]

01:25:40   when enterprise came out and people were [TS]

01:25:42   screaming scream to TNG to I have my [TS]

01:25:44   website back but now looking at the [TS]

01:25:46   culture easy see these especially [TS]

01:25:49   Voyager and enterprise [TS]

01:25:50   it's just held in hate and I think that [TS]

01:25:53   I you know it's like you complain when [TS]

01:25:55   these shows are on the air and now we [TS]

01:25:57   haven't had new star trek on television [TS]

01:25:59   for a really long time now i'm even [TS]

01:26:02   think you see this with the movies to a [TS]

01:26:03   certain extent like generations was [TS]

01:26:05   pilloried insurrection was pillory he [TS]

01:26:07   had nemesis is pilloried and I think if [TS]

01:26:10   you're mature Star Trek fan i think all [TS]

01:26:12   star trek is good and fun even the [TS]

01:26:15   animated series like even season 3 of [TS]

01:26:17   TLS like there's good to be had there [TS]

01:26:19   it's all enjoyable and I just think that [TS]

01:26:23   like if we really love this [TS]

01:26:25   maybe it doesn't mean like just tearing [TS]

01:26:27   apart for fun maybe it means like maybe [TS]

01:26:29   looking at with a little bit more of a [TS]

01:26:31   mature credit card [TS]

01:26:32   yeah it's a good night appeal to a lot [TS]

01:26:36   of people who i mean like i said i think [TS]

01:26:38   that's what this is a human tendency to [TS]

01:26:39   do this and young people freaked out [TS]

01:26:41   about recasting Kirk Spock and McCoy for [TS]

01:26:43   the JJ Abrams movies too and I've you [TS]

01:26:46   know I think they did a good job but it [TS]

01:26:47   was not it we always change it's [TS]

01:26:50   different and I'm hoping I'm i really [TS]

01:26:52   want them to do a Moises Alou to this [TS]

01:26:54   I'm really want them to do a new Star [TS]

01:26:55   Trek TV series and you know what people [TS]

01:26:57   will freak the hell out about that too [TS]

01:26:59   yeah yeah you know they will imagine a [TS]

01:27:02   casting and writing a star trek series [TS]

01:27:05   in 2015 I mean have been that long since [TS]

01:27:07   enterprises been off the air but on [TS]

01:27:08   another level I feel like enterprise was [TS]

01:27:11   the last gasp of it of an epic vet [TS]

01:27:14   started in 1987 of Star Trek and that [TS]

01:27:17   what we get now is gonna be completely [TS]

01:27:19   as different as a TV was for between now [TS]

01:27:23   in 1987 so I can't wait to see that [TS]

01:27:25   because and people freak out people will [TS]

01:27:27   rage that that that the jonathan frakes [TS]

01:27:30   that roxann dawson that LeVar Burton art [TS]

01:27:33   directing every episode that it's not [TS]

01:27:35   the sand so that the tone of the acting [TS]

01:27:37   is not this and so and it's been off the [TS]

01:27:40   air for so long that i would i would [TS]

01:27:42   love for it to not be not trying to be [TS]

01:27:45   anything but but the the most important [TS]

01:27:49   parts of the court conceit without [TS]

01:27:51   trying to work in as much of the window [TS]

01:27:53   dressing as humanly possible because for [TS]

01:27:56   better or worse that's what we've gotten [TS]

01:27:57   from these restart movies produced by JJ [TS]

01:28:00   Abrams and you know we'll get the three [TS]

01:28:02   installment and then conceivably at that [TS]

01:28:04   point CBS and paramount decide that [TS]

01:28:06   they'll do another series so okay we've [TS]

01:28:08   already traveled this road of let's [TS]

01:28:10   reboot the continuity maybe let's either [TS]

01:28:13   throw the continuity out or go into the [TS]

01:28:17   future of Voyager and just keep moving [TS]

01:28:19   beyond I i want to tell a little a [TS]

01:28:22   little story here which is this year [TS]

01:28:25   when i went to the Doctor Who convention [TS]

01:28:26   in LA [TS]

01:28:27   they asked at the opening session hosted [TS]

01:28:30   hosted by among other people Eric and [TS]

01:28:33   science husband wearing and comfortable [TS]

01:28:34   t-shirt on stage which was really [TS]

01:28:35   awesome [TS]

01:28:36   he asked them to raise their hands if [TS]

01:28:38   they were if they had never been to this [TS]

01:28:42   convention before and half the audience [TS]

01:28:44   raise their hands [TS]

01:28:45   Doctor Who fandom because the show came [TS]

01:28:48   back in 2005 with a complete rethink of [TS]

01:28:50   what it meant to have that show on the [TS]

01:28:51   air is full and that convention was full [TS]

01:28:54   of young and and i would say more mostly [TS]

01:29:00   even maybe women fans lots of girls and [TS]

01:29:04   women you know 13 225 who are super into [TS]

01:29:09   that show it dramatic and and i'll tell [TS]

01:29:12   you i'm i'm pretty sure in 2005 that [TS]

01:29:15   convention was completely people in [TS]

01:29:18   there you know mid thirties and up and [TS]

01:29:21   pro their Giants car and probably mostly [TS]

01:29:23   men and I let me tell you some people [TS]

01:29:27   have a problem with that because they [TS]

01:29:29   are the diehards in there the old school [TS]

01:29:31   and they don't like the Phantom is [TS]

01:29:32   changing i want Star Trek to live and [TS]

01:29:37   right now as with many things it's [TS]

01:29:40   getting fans of Star Trek or getting a [TS]

01:29:41   year older every year because there are [TS]

01:29:44   no new fans being created because maybe [TS]

01:29:46   there are some with JJ Abrams movies [TS]

01:29:48   that's something but I think you need a [TS]

01:29:49   TV show and you need a TV show that [TS]

01:29:51   modern audiences are going to really [TS]

01:29:52   like I want my kids i would love my son [TS]

01:29:55   to have a star trek show like I had next [TS]

01:29:57   generation when I was in high school and [TS]

01:29:59   college I would love for that to happen [TS]

01:30:01   because that made such an impact on me [TS]

01:30:02   and right now that generation is just [TS]

01:30:05   not Star Trek is not on the radar other [TS]

01:30:06   than yeah that was a good movie that we [TS]

01:30:08   saw a couple summers ago so yeah I'm [TS]

01:30:10   with you I you know I would much rather [TS]

01:30:11   star trek change and grow and stay [TS]

01:30:14   or return to being alive and vibrant and [TS]

01:30:17   then just kind of fade away I just think [TS]

01:30:19   his fans we need to be open-minded and [TS]

01:30:21   accepted star trek surviving it's going [TS]

01:30:24   to mean star trek changing yeah and you [TS]

01:30:26   know it's gonna have to appeal to a [TS]

01:30:28   different audience because it that you [TS]

01:30:30   need enough you know to take all kinds [TS]

01:30:31   to write i think is great the Doctor Who [TS]

01:30:33   fandom actually i think is really good [TS]

01:30:35   in this way that there are a lot of [TS]

01:30:36   people are like hey you like the old [TS]

01:30:37   series you like the new series you like [TS]

01:30:39   both series it's all good you know and [TS]

01:30:42   and I i think they've gotten to that [TS]

01:30:43   point if the most part and that's that's [TS]

01:30:46   healthy and I hope for Star Trek that I [TS]

01:30:49   can like a one-day see a gathering of [TS]

01:30:51   Star Trek fans and not have them all be [TS]

01:30:53   50 year old men who are like oh and i'm [TS]

01:30:56   one of those mid-forties man who's like [TS]

01:30:58   the original Captain Kirk is great yeah [TS]

01:31:00   but that can't be the whole story that [TS]

01:31:02   can't be the whole story or the whole [TS]

01:31:04   thing is is dead [TS]

01:31:05   lightning philosophy we're having a [TS]

01:31:07   version of this conversation in so many [TS]

01:31:09   different franchises we're okay there's [TS]

01:31:10   going to be a new Green Lantern these [TS]

01:31:12   Justice League movies [TS]

01:31:13   well I goes better be held Jordan well [TS]

01:31:15   Jordan was in that movie that didn't do [TS]

01:31:17   any good [TS]

01:31:18   and a bunch of people who were kids when [TS]

01:31:20   the Justice League animated series came [TS]

01:31:21   out or adults now and they all know [TS]

01:31:23   Green Lantern as jon stewart a black guy [TS]

01:31:25   not a white dude with with with with the [TS]

01:31:28   with white around the windows peaks and [TS]

01:31:30   and so like it this is something that [TS]

01:31:32   we're seeing as these franchises [TS]

01:31:33   themselves are taking on the additional [TS]

01:31:36   generations that previously Star Trek [TS]

01:31:39   was pretty unique in it was the one that [TS]

01:31:41   had a bunch of different series and and [TS]

01:31:43   they're there have been a number of [TS]

01:31:44   generations coming through it and I i [TS]

01:31:47   see a version of the same argument with [TS]

01:31:49   different character names and different [TS]

01:31:51   franchises attach them everywhere now [TS]

01:31:53   more than ever [TS]

01:31:54   one that the thing I was going to bring [TS]

01:31:55   up we kind of anticipated where I was [TS]

01:31:57   thinking with Doctor Who because we're [TS]

01:31:59   getting to the point where there's a [TS]

01:32:00   almost the same amount of time between [TS]

01:32:03   the last new star trek and any potential [TS]

01:32:05   new star trek series as the end of [TS]

01:32:08   classic who in the beginning of new who [TS]

01:32:09   and whatever we get is going to be as [TS]

01:32:13   different from enterprise and Voyager [TS]

01:32:16   all that as new doctor who is from [TS]

01:32:18   classic who it's going to be a different [TS]

01:32:20   pacing it's going to be a different [TS]

01:32:22   style and that's fine and you know what [TS]

01:32:25   that's gotten so popular that they don't [TS]

01:32:27   delay it for we [TS]

01:32:28   some months anymore it's not even just [TS]

01:32:30   day-and-date the 50th anniversary show [TS]

01:32:32   they had to show it simultaneously [TS]

01:32:34   around the world so that there weren't [TS]

01:32:36   spoilers [TS]

01:32:37   that's how popular it is and you know we [TS]

01:32:40   could do that with Star Trek well Jason [TS]

01:32:43   and I was 16 years between the first [TS]

01:32:46   doctor who series going off in the am [TS]

01:32:47   and the new series starting it's been 10 [TS]

01:32:49   years now since enterprise went off here [TS]

01:32:51   so yeah I'll say did we just in invent [TS]

01:32:54   reverse tachyon lightning [TS]

01:32:56   yeah that was the worst lightning ever [TS]

01:32:57   tony do you have an overrated thing what [TS]

01:33:00   we're still doing that I thought were on [TS]

01:33:01   philosophy lightning lost it on back to [TS]

01:33:04   that was just a berry big parenthetical [TS]

01:33:06   their footnote I you know like I don't [TS]

01:33:08   know if they're overrated as a episode [TS]

01:33:10   concept or as a technology that they [TS]

01:33:12   allowed to continue to exist but I I [TS]

01:33:15   don't know how any captain allows [TS]

01:33:17   holodecks to be insulted [TS]

01:33:20   like I feel like you know one mishap you [TS]

01:33:24   know 11 Moriarty tries to take over the [TS]

01:33:26   enterprise and it's like walking down [TS]

01:33:28   you know pad lock that door and no one [TS]

01:33:31   comes in here we use it for storing [TS]

01:33:32   waste chemicals or something but there's [TS]

01:33:35   a reason we didn't have these before [TS]

01:33:37   yeah that's especially when it starts [TS]

01:33:40   getting worse when it's like oh no the [TS]

01:33:42   transporter buffer has been overrun and [TS]

01:33:44   somehow the transporter signal is the [TS]

01:33:46   holodeck it's like yeah you know I have [TS]

01:33:48   that problem of time sometimes like my [TS]

01:33:50   microwave back start acting weird and [TS]

01:33:51   like my toast comes out of my sink [TS]

01:33:53   totally happens so often yeah so I just [TS]

01:33:57   I feel like how do they keep letting [TS]

01:33:59   stuff like that exist in the future it [TS]

01:34:01   feels like you know industry safeguards [TS]

01:34:03   are not where I thought they'd be my [TS]

01:34:04   that century I told the holodeck to [TS]

01:34:06   create a villain who capable of [TS]

01:34:08   destroying the ship and it said okay [TS]

01:34:10   yeah also I like that there's in the [TS]

01:34:14   Deep Space nine conceptualisation they [TS]

01:34:16   really wanted to play up the like the [TS]

01:34:18   dirty holodecks that cork has and then [TS]

01:34:20   they're like the people running the [TS]

01:34:22   networker likes please stop doing that [TS]

01:34:23   because that's what properties you know [TS]

01:34:25   weird it's like you know let's talk more [TS]

01:34:27   about that yeah you loved baseball that [TS]

01:34:31   that episode represents like eighty [TS]

01:34:32   percent of what I no i just answered the [TS]

01:34:34   bullet volkens are very good at baseball [TS]

01:34:36   is what I'm saying that's that is twenty [TS]

01:34:38   percent of what I know [TS]

01:34:39   Americans and and then buk buk I from [TS]

01:34:42   the London Kings he's that's not a real [TS]

01:34:45   baseball team right [TS]

01:34:45   no it's okay really spectacular yet you [TS]

01:34:48   have it you have an underrated thing [TS]

01:34:50   Tony I I don't [TS]

01:34:52   oh yeah everything about stark it's [TS]

01:34:55   great for properly read it's not really [TS]

01:34:58   what's your what's your overrated thing [TS]

01:35:00   on the Borg are overrated [TS]

01:35:03   I think Tony talking about how much you [TS]

01:35:05   like the board meant men that they may [TS]

01:35:08   be dangerous got angry Scott it's got [TS]

01:35:12   excited you with you and unraveling and [TS]

01:35:14   this is what I get [TS]

01:35:15   yeah that's right just like a Romulan [TS]

01:35:17   put on the shoulder pads or just keep up [TS]

01:35:20   there like everywhere you turn you you [TS]

01:35:21   you pull up a rug and there's a board [TS]

01:35:23   hiding underneath it you know it's and I [TS]

01:35:26   also think board ships are stupid [TS]

01:35:28   well I think the board cube tray I think [TS]

01:35:31   everything after that was like guys [TS]

01:35:33   why did you have to keep doing that so [TS]

01:35:34   but we gotta sell more models to get [TS]

01:35:37   space alright so Scott thinks about it [TS]

01:35:39   because they're dumber just because [TS]

01:35:40   they're over kind of overexposed you [TS]

01:35:42   said there's turn around there's always [TS]

01:35:43   another board is today the a little bit [TS]

01:35:46   of board goes a long way [TS]

01:35:48   alright just got you haven't an [TS]

01:35:50   underrated Star Trek thing i do I i [TS]

01:35:53   think that the the the design of [TS]

01:35:56   enterprise the series is beautiful [TS]

01:35:59   they had a tough job of kind of creating [TS]

01:36:02   something modern that would look almost [TS]

01:36:05   appropriate before the original series i [TS]

01:36:08   think they did a great job with the set [TS]

01:36:10   and and it just looks great [TS]

01:36:13   it's an awful series but it looks great [TS]

01:36:16   didn't you listen to Brianna come on [TS]

01:36:17   Scott you gotta yeah not agree with [TS]

01:36:20   Briana but you found it you found a [TS]

01:36:23   positive thing to say about the design [TS]

01:36:25   of enterprise the series that's true i [TS]

01:36:26   like all the Star Trek but I also you [TS]

01:36:28   know point out that there are some [TS]

01:36:30   things that are not going to get started [TS]

01:36:31   there's some amazing set design stuff [TS]

01:36:33   that doesn't get its proper yeah it is [TS]

01:36:35   its proper kudos i think is the room I [TS]

01:36:39   see what you did there is it [TS]

01:36:41   ah ok here mine amor this is going to [TS]

01:36:44   really anger Scott haha alright so go [TS]

01:36:48   ahead [TS]

01:36:49   I was listening to random track in there [TS]

01:36:50   and they didn't know they did an episode [TS]

01:36:52   about me about well it's not in which we [TS]

01:36:56   had host Scott is guest day unknown [TS]

01:36:59   person I don't have nothing just one of [TS]

01:37:02   those people are I think it's the worst [TS]

01:37:04   host Matt Wilson on his guests mat gamel [TS]

01:37:07   talked about all good things the final [TS]

01:37:09   episode of the next generation and so is [TS]

01:37:11   one of the best if not the best [TS]

01:37:12   next-generation episodes and i would say [TS]

01:37:14   it's not in the top 20 [TS]

01:37:15   it's fine it is completely overrated all [TS]

01:37:18   good things is ok it's got Q as a plot [TS]

01:37:21   device it's got some fun stuff in the [TS]

01:37:23   future it's got some really unfortunate [TS]

01:37:25   flashbacks to the past but what can you [TS]

01:37:26   do a counterpoint wasn't very good [TS]

01:37:29   I it has a great last seen it but I was [TS]

01:37:32   completely blown away by scott and that [TS]

01:37:34   talking about how it was in the pantheon [TS]

01:37:36   of next generation episode because it [TS]

01:37:38   yeah it wouldn't rate in my top 20 next [TS]

01:37:40   generation episode maybe I'm being a [TS]

01:37:41   little overzealous there maybe not in [TS]

01:37:44   the top 15 had adjacent Snell bird is [TS]

01:37:48   the worst burn maybe you really hate Q a [TS]

01:37:51   lot you saying Scott's overrated I'm not [TS]

01:37:54   following Scott is overrated random [TS]

01:37:57   track is overrated as a podcast that [TS]

01:37:59   episode I love random trek but I i [TS]

01:38:01   thought this cotton and network [TS]

01:38:03   misguided in Jason I'm gonna let you [TS]

01:38:04   finish but you hate Q so much I will [TS]

01:38:08   skin an entire massively well-structured [TS]

01:38:12   series finale completely into the toilet [TS]

01:38:15   for you man is annoying well-struck [TS]

01:38:18   don't know as I said when he might as [TS]

01:38:19   well be in the garbage yeah that's right [TS]

01:38:21   top top 17 of all star trek episode it's [TS]

01:38:25   been made by the next generation but not [TS]

01:38:27   the top [TS]

01:38:28   what a loser fraction to be in yeah I [TS]

01:38:30   might put it in the second seventh on [TS]

01:38:34   the top seven [TS]

01:38:35   yeah well that's what that's what I mean [TS]

01:38:36   yeah if I made a list of my favorite [TS]

01:38:38   next generation episode would be in like [TS]

01:38:40   number 15 number 20 some probably in [TS]

01:38:42   there but it would not crack the top 10 [TS]

01:38:43   for sure i think it was a sweet ending [TS]

01:38:45   and it was a good episode but when they [TS]

01:38:47   when they said they released it on [TS]

01:38:48   blu-ray on its own and it was like okay [TS]

01:38:51   whatever best of both worlds i get it [TS]

01:38:53   i'll good things was good [TS]

01:38:56   fine it had lovely moments and even [TS]

01:38:58   though it is Q I don't mind that it had [TS]

01:39:00   q I'm I know that too [TS]

01:39:02   send it off right he was in the pilot [TS]

01:39:04   yeah yeah it made sense but but the [TS]

01:39:06   whole thing the whole story is this [TS]

01:39:08   whole you know time is is you know the [TS]

01:39:10   thing is expanding and contracting and [TS]

01:39:12   running out of time and you gotta get to [TS]

01:39:13   the thing before it vanishes and then up [TS]

01:39:16   conveniently it came back enough long [TS]

01:39:18   enough for them to solve it [TS]

01:39:20   I you know it's it doesn't and it [TS]

01:39:23   ignores its own ticking clock by the end [TS]

01:39:26   I don't hate I don't hate it you I I [TS]

01:39:28   just wouldn't rank it as high as a lot [TS]

01:39:29   of other next generation episode III [TS]

01:39:31   just I can't believe that I can't [TS]

01:39:33   believe it just heard this [TS]

01:39:34   hey I mean Jason Snelling Scott Jason [TS]

01:39:38   smell told you your misguided that's [TS]

01:39:41   like his opinion to go after yourself [TS]

01:39:43   can you even believe we heard that on [TS]

01:39:47   the shell Scott was being polite to Matt [TS]

01:39:49   Scott could recant now and say well Matt [TS]

01:39:51   really loved it i think it's mine but [TS]

01:39:53   Matt's the one who really loved it yeah [TS]

01:39:54   there's no audio record we could consult [TS]

01:39:56   so that's right it's really subjective [TS]

01:39:58   which way which jason if you if you [TS]

01:40:00   believe i'm going to recant you may not [TS]

01:40:03   have been talking to be for several [TS]

01:40:05   years now i believe you are incorrect [TS]

01:40:08   but that's alright as I say out random [TS]

01:40:10   track I don't judge other people's [TS]

01:40:12   fandom I question it like you're doing [TS]

01:40:14   to me but I don't think so we can have a [TS]

01:40:17   difference of opinion about how good the [TS]

01:40:18   final episode of the next generation was [TS]

01:40:21   right I'm gonna I'm gonna end this on a [TS]

01:40:23   more positive note with my underrated [TS]

01:40:24   thing I i'm going to say and I know this [TS]

01:40:27   is crazy because we could like Scott see [TS]

01:40:29   now i'm gonna side with said that [TS]

01:40:31   nothing is no I don't want this piece no [TS]

01:40:33   enhanced learning spaces just fortuitous [TS]

01:40:36   i'm also going to pick something from [TS]

01:40:38   enterprise that I think is underrated I [TS]

01:40:40   thought about saying the last season of [TS]

01:40:41   enterprises underrated because I did it [TS]

01:40:43   is although fans are going to talk it up [TS]

01:40:45   now because it was it with Manny Coto [TS]

01:40:46   did some stuff that I'm gonna say dr. [TS]

01:40:48   phlox I like dr. phlox I think he's fun [TS]

01:40:51   hehe strange character he doesn't always [TS]

01:40:55   have a lot to do there that episode [TS]

01:40:57   where he's all alone on the ship because [TS]

01:40:58   everybody's asleep [TS]

01:40:59   it's kind of strange but he's a peculiar [TS]

01:41:02   alien who's up for a race that we [TS]

01:41:04   haven't really seen before the DeNoble [TS]

01:41:05   ins he kind of observes our humanity are [TS]

01:41:08   closer to modern-day humanity and [TS]

01:41:10   enterprise [TS]

01:41:11   I think that's a fun character I think [TS]

01:41:12   John Billingsley does a good job [TS]

01:41:13   performing that character [TS]

01:41:15   I think he's underrated in it in a show [TS]

01:41:17   that does not have a lot of characters [TS]

01:41:19   that I particularly like I really like [TS]

01:41:21   dr. phlox and I think that you can't [TS]

01:41:23   just sweep them under the rug with the [TS]

01:41:24   rest of the Enterprise crew i can say is [TS]

01:41:26   the best character out enterprise [TS]

01:41:28   without Wi-Fi Scott whoo [TS]

01:41:31   don't touch me ha ha what one thing i [TS]

01:41:37   was looking forward to with him in [TS]

01:41:38   enterprise was an enemy they didn't [TS]

01:41:41   really accentuate this at all this is [TS]

01:41:43   totally me but I wanted to find out why [TS]

01:41:48   having an argument in enterprise there [TS]

01:41:51   wasn't a denominating any of the future [TS]

01:41:53   quote-unquote future started I'll dot [TS]

01:41:55   happenings you know is there some kind [TS]

01:41:58   of mystery they were building together [TS]

01:41:59   just very quiet race that maybe you know [TS]

01:42:01   maybe there was nothing they just don't [TS]

01:42:03   do anything much you know yeah but but [TS]

01:42:05   you know there was something there that [TS]

01:42:07   was interesting and again it was like no [TS]

01:42:09   and Spock he really brought something to [TS]

01:42:11   that character he was a lot of fun [TS]

01:42:13   yeah well maybe maybe the Romulans [TS]

01:42:15   killed all of the Andes and that's what [TS]

01:42:18   made them more interesting maybe they [TS]

01:42:20   killed him with their rationale depends [TS]

01:42:21   maybe they got that disease that the [TS]

01:42:23   Klingons had yeah yeah I would you did [TS]

01:42:26   something to them [TS]

01:42:27   headcanon you might know when I asked my [TS]

01:42:29   son about the best artwork alien he said [TS]

01:42:31   he thought it was worth because he [TS]

01:42:33   enjoys that that deep space 9 episode [TS]

01:42:36   where they go to the trouble with [TS]

01:42:38   tribbles and he says we do not speak of [TS]

01:42:40   it i just make your son was just like a [TS]

01:42:43   sash enthusiast [TS]

01:42:44   yeah well it could be either you like [TS]

01:42:45   the big bumpy head best wig by the way [TS]

01:42:47   we didn't get to the best wig tonight [TS]

01:42:49   best best way me and rach all right [TS]

01:42:52   we're done for now we're done for now I [TS]

01:42:55   i'm going to call this this debate club [TS]

01:42:57   to a close we learned a lot since we [TS]

01:42:59   know and we Scott we we did with [TS]

01:43:01   everybody but Scott one Scott I didn't [TS]

01:43:03   it's got the loser how comfortable is [TS]

01:43:07   really cheap like a little shift right [TS]

01:43:09   here this will go down [TS]

01:43:11   this will get someone who runs a podcast [TS]

01:43:13   network i am a little bit unsettled hear [TS]

01:43:15   someone running a podcast network cancel [TS]

01:43:17   one of his shows while recording another [TS]

01:43:19   1i sorry just renewed random track it's [TS]

01:43:22   very efficient it's cruel but there's a [TS]

01:43:25   regime change but it's a great concept [TS]

01:43:27   for a podcast now the host we really [TS]

01:43:30   broke an Andorian going to influence by [TS]

01:43:32   Road emails from mothers are winners [TS]

01:43:35   actually are winners are the Borg which [TS]

01:43:38   got two votes the the i guess the bridge [TS]

01:43:41   organs are losers they got a couple of [TS]

01:43:44   agree to negative votes the and yeah so [TS]

01:43:46   there you go [TS]

01:43:47   but the end and John Harriman and and [TS]

01:43:49   yes Alan rock is letting Ferris Bueller [TS]

01:43:52   drive the enterprise now is a big [TS]

01:43:53   mistake big mistake [TS]

01:43:56   alright i'd like to thank my my star [TS]

01:43:58   trek debaters this was a lot of fun we [TS]

01:43:59   need to keep doing this because uh oh [TS]

01:44:01   I'm gonna have to come up with [TS]

01:44:02   increasingly weird things here to defend [TS]

01:44:04   not that David Laura thank you very much [TS]

01:44:08   for being here thank you peace and long [TS]

01:44:10   life is to Leon thank you very much [TS]

01:44:13   thank you by the time this goes up i [TS]

01:44:15   think episodes of electric shadow with [TS]

01:44:18   terry farrell and wonder Nimoy and will [TS]

01:44:19   be up so i'll give you links I Scott [TS]

01:44:22   melty I appreciate you and you're like [TS]

01:44:25   of some things [TS]

01:44:26   oh oh man this is angry this is justin [TS]

01:44:35   is now I can get on board with the way I [TS]

01:44:38   don't wish this is mirrors yeah jason [TS]

01:44:41   said you have a view of a goatee right [TS]

01:44:42   now I like it's possible you have a [TS]

01:44:44   decorative sash with a dagger info [TS]

01:44:46   oh well who doesn't come on Scott thank [TS]

01:44:49   you very much for your choices they were [TS]

01:44:50   all very interesting i know you hated [TS]

01:44:51   mine Jason Jason Jason you'll live to [TS]

01:44:56   regret this [TS]

01:44:57   absolutely [TS]

01:44:58   please listen to random track except for [TS]

01:45:01   that episode about all good things and [TS]

01:45:02   now its paw it's a very good just not [TS]

01:45:05   one of my favorites [TS]

01:45:07   Tony sindelar thank you goodnight yards [TS]

01:45:10   goodnight and Brianna was a pleasure to [TS]

01:45:12   have you back on and thank you for doing [TS]

01:45:14   such excellent defending of various and [TS]

01:45:16   debating of various things I appreciate [TS]

01:45:18   you being here [TS]

01:45:19   you're quite welcome sure you appreciate [TS]

01:45:21   her I do Scott was also here also [TS]

01:45:30   present I would never want to talk about [TS]

01:45:32   Star Trek uncomfortable without Scott [TS]

01:45:34   that would be just a no-go [TS]

01:45:35   it would not be acceptable that's well [TS]

01:45:37   you may be running into some problems [TS]

01:45:39   no no no no alright and for everybody [TS]

01:45:43   out there thanks for listening [TS]

01:45:44   this is jason still signing off for the [TS]

01:45:46   uncomfortable live long and prosper and [TS]

01:45:48   you know all that other stuff [TS]

01:46:03   Jason a possible uh scenario for a [TS]

01:46:07   future debate club [TS]

01:46:08   oh yes um I was at a party and I was [TS]

01:46:11   talking to somebody who was not raised [TS]

01:46:13   in this country and has never seen an [TS]

01:46:15   episode of Star Trek and they wanted to [TS]

01:46:17   know if they were gonna watch one [TS]

01:46:18   episode of Star Trek what episode to [TS]

01:46:20   watch and there was a spirited debate [TS]

01:46:22   about yeah that's what parties are [TS]

01:46:24   likely i go to so yeah you know where [TS]

01:46:29   you got the soda would you show me i [TS]

01:46:30   will put that down on the list the [TS]

01:46:32   Sleeping Dogs the enterprise episode [TS]

01:46:34   which was the first episode that less [TS]

01:46:36   frequent has seen I think that is not a [TS]

01:46:39   good one [TS]

01:46:40   this will really go where they found the [TS]

01:46:42   Klingon ship and yeah sky usually pretty [TS]

01:46:45   spot-on but that one not so great so [TS]

01:46:47   that's where Lex said is to palo robot [TS]

01:46:49   and every day's a random track when you [TS]

01:46:52   have people who don't know Star Trek on [TS]

01:46:53   it those are great on syracuse asking [TS]

01:46:56   which one of these guys are characters [TS]

01:46:57   was a good episode like this everybody [TS]

01:47:04   if you've reached this far and you don't [TS]

01:47:06   know already we mentioned in the episode [TS]

01:47:08   Scott multi hosts a weekly podcast on [TS]

01:47:11   the incomparable network called random [TS]

01:47:12   track every week Scott any non-random [TS]

01:47:15   guest watching random episode from all [TS]

01:47:19   of the live action star trek series so [TS]

01:47:21   it could be original series next [TS]

01:47:23   generation deep space nine Voyager [TS]

01:47:25   enterprise it's random and a lot of fun [TS]

01:47:28   individual episode breakdown parachuting [TS]

01:47:31   in to a random episode and seeing with [TS]

01:47:34   with the eyes of a new guest every week [TS]

01:47:38   what there is to see it's a lot of fun [TS]

01:47:40   and I encourage you to check it out you [TS]

01:47:41   can go to the incomparable calm / random [TS]

01:47:44   track or search for random track in your [TS]

01:47:47   podcast app of choice [TS]