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124: ‘Schiller Did Not Have to Put Up With This Bullshit’, With Guest Guy English

 

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00:00:15   worked and it i think it worked pretty well last week it's pretty good feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/15">TS</a>]

00:00:19   I can't even imagine doing that every week that it's different it's it's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/19">TS</a>]

00:00:25   but I mean I know you get nervous before a big interview you know I'm not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/25">TS</a>]

00:00:29   to be that hard to believe that was pretty good he's good yeah you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/29">TS</a>]

00:00:37   was way more candid and I was gonna do I don't think he would have done it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/37">TS</a>]

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00:00:45   the thing that people were most surprised by the other thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/45">TS</a>]

00:00:48   think people were surprised by was how clear it was that he reads our stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/48">TS</a>]

00:00:52   know like his familiarity with Marcos complaints and couple of other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/52">TS</a>]

00:00:56   too but it couple people that do the most common comment I got afterwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/56">TS</a>]

00:01:01   were wow that's a sign of Phil Schiller I've never seen before he was very you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/61">TS</a>]

00:01:06   know he just was casual and combined with me but he obviously you know pays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/66">TS</a>]

00:01:10   attention to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/70">TS</a>]

00:01:11   yea well known views these people but it was nice to get a shot at it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/71">TS</a>]

00:01:21   very good was a fun time at the show to yeah it's going good job and I tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/81">TS</a>]

00:01:32   in person but in truth when listening to this did not screw up your near and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/92">TS</a>]

00:01:44   a little bit without a major that was the dance you know is how do I ask you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/104">TS</a>]

00:01:48   no questions that everybody in the room kind of want me to ask and there's other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/108">TS</a>]

00:01:52   ones that I miss to i mean we could and I had to take I had to decide what not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/112">TS</a>]

00:01:56   to ask is you know an hour is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/116">TS</a>]

00:01:59   is a it was a little bit longer than I think that I told them that he be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/119">TS</a>]

00:02:02   stage i'd said like maybe like 45 50 minutes I think he was on stage for 56 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/122">TS</a>]

00:02:07   minutes or something like that which was not a complaint he thought it went well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/127">TS</a>]

00:02:09   was all smiles all around backstage but the other thing too as I feel like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/129">TS</a>]

00:02:14   the atmosphere of the live room you can't do it like we do on these Skype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/134">TS</a>]

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00:02:25   the we'd take a break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/145">TS</a>]

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00:02:33   have gone in like one that one thing I think people have sent like oh I wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/153">TS</a>]

00:02:36   you know there was a great interview but I wish you would've you know talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/156">TS</a>]

00:02:40   about blank and the one that very common is the App Store your night I one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/160">TS</a>]

00:02:45   reasons I didn't is there is nothing really knew about it and I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/165">TS</a>]

00:02:48   wanted to focus a little bit more on you know current event and the other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/168">TS</a>]

00:02:52   too as I feel like once you open a can of worms it's a route you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/172">TS</a>]

00:02:55   hard to do in just a couple minutes it's very complicated thing in the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/175">TS</a>]

00:03:03   distribution models adapting existing business models to work on the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/183">TS</a>]

00:03:08   provisioning code signing nightmare is the archives and the big 12 especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/188">TS</a>]

00:03:15   and I don't know I actually don't know I suspect that my audience in the audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/195">TS</a>]

00:03:20   that was in there you know in the room for the live show is skewed a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/200">TS</a>]

00:03:23   more towards Mac developers than the overall Apple developer community in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/203">TS</a>]

00:03:29   general but it certainly of interest to me is the whole sandboxing the situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/209">TS</a>]

00:03:34   with the middle and a kind of we can kind of get into that was you talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/214">TS</a>]

00:03:39   some of the stuff today I kind of wonder whether the calling this rootless thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/219">TS</a>]

00:03:44   yeah system integrity right I kind of hope that that might be a way of backing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/224">TS</a>]

00:03:49   away from sandboxing can be could be better but I do think that I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/229">TS</a>]

00:03:56   only had an hour or less on paper I would even any extra would have been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/236">TS</a>]

00:04:03   can of worms and frankly he just couldn't answer anything that's part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/243">TS</a>]

00:04:08   it they can I mean I know he's the boss absolutes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/248">TS</a>]

00:04:11   I mean he's not going to make promises on stage do you like that you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/251">TS</a>]

00:04:19   forthcoming as he was with other stuff he didn't say anything that was counter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/259">TS</a>]

00:04:24   to you know he's very very good it's just it intended to counter to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/264">TS</a>]

00:04:29   message one thing two people asked over the weekend so you know I love it I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/269">TS</a>]

00:04:33   love WWDC in its it is weird and different like I went to the the beer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/273">TS</a>]

00:04:38   bash go to the beer bashes year you probably didn't but I went and our goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/278">TS</a>]

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00:04:50   bad going to the beer bash because actually I did you end up living in New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/290">TS</a>]

00:04:58   York left early I lived with you now that I think about it but I go because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/298">TS</a>]

00:05:04   it used to be in years past that was the place where I would run into some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/304">TS</a>]

00:05:08   from Apple that I know who I hadn't seen throughout the week if you want to bump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/308">TS</a>]

00:05:12   into somebody from Apple and whether you we end up talking about anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/312">TS</a>]

00:05:16   interesting or not even if it's just shooting the shed it's a good place to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/316">TS</a>]

00:05:20   run into them and it's funny that's what I thought about that's why when and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/320">TS</a>]

00:05:25   turned out that it was really sort of the opposite of his people coming up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/325">TS</a>]

00:05:28   me wanted to say hi and thank me and that's how you make sure that we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/328">TS</a>]

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00:05:48   figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/348">TS</a>]

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00:05:56   looks bad looks younger than i mean you always look beautiful how just looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/356">TS</a>]

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00:06:09   they only had three beers available at the beer bash and one of them was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/369">TS</a>]

00:06:12   Heineken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14   like today as I did they ask you or did they just do it in advance so into his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/374">TS</a>]

00:06:24   beard bed right party and I ordered a Stella Maris Stella I don't want to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/384">TS</a>]

00:06:32   get your words is going well I didn't know which way either I'm drinking his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/392">TS</a>]

00:06:37   beer and he's gonna be pissed or I'm not drinkin how to get it you have all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/397">TS</a>]

00:06:44   bones if you know any way we ought to get to it because we have a lot to cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/404">TS</a>]

00:06:49   and the whole idea basic idea that I have for this episode is to cover more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/409">TS</a>]

00:06:55   or less loosely at the state of the union stuff platforms where they call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/415">TS</a>]

00:06:59   that session platform platform stated that from state of the union [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/419">TS</a>]

00:07:02   yeah these to pick it up into like to eat right which is the basic structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/422">TS</a>]

00:07:07   of Monday at WWDC sort of remained unchanged since forever which is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/427">TS</a>]

00:07:13   morning there's the main Kino and that's the one that the press gets led into and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/433">TS</a>]

00:07:18   that's the one people line up all night for that's the one that anything that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/438">TS</a>]

00:07:23   written you know on real TV or newspapers the next day all the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/443">TS</a>]

00:07:27   from there is what what comes out of it then they clear the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/447">TS</a>]

00:07:31   people go and have lunch and I think around 2:30 is when it starts it's a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/451">TS</a>]

00:07:38   later you have a good two hours for lunch everybody but then at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/458">TS</a>]

00:07:42   it's real developer badges only you get to come in and then they have it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/462">TS</a>]

00:07:48   or less a second keynote but it's truly for developers I mean like I was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/468">TS</a>]

00:07:54   you know very good job and I believe he constrained all of his own answers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/474">TS</a>]

00:08:00   what was actually in the keynote and invested is definite been getting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/480">TS</a>]

00:08:05   little bit loosey-goosey that the NDA stuff so I'm not really I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/485">TS</a>]

00:08:09   think that that's I don't think there is stuff I don't think there is an Indian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/489">TS</a>]

00:08:12   because my Apple TV there's a double-double Dec happen you can just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/492">TS</a>]

00:08:17   don't think I put my ADC so yeah I mean what you need to and I wasn't sure if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/497">TS</a>]

00:08:22   the login it go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/502">TS</a>]

00:08:24   hasn't happened I do like it wasn't sure maybe was cleared for ya doin some stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/504">TS</a>]

00:08:30   that combines qualities but it's not the same Apple idea usually sign in for ADC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/510">TS</a>]

00:08:35   so I'm pretty sure that that stuff is just not only have an Indiana more I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/515">TS</a>]

00:08:39   think they you know what let's gamble my career but I'm pretty sure that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/519">TS</a>]

00:08:48   stuff I just don't think that they're crazy about stuff like that anymore I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/528">TS</a>]

00:08:51   don't know I shouldn't because I mean de [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/531">TS</a>]

00:08:56   they say is what you don't want to do is say what people say in private or in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/536">TS</a>]

00:09:04   labs and write this book in his work around you know we can talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/544">TS</a>]

00:09:10   future they did get a little bit on the Nexus a lot of ways WWDC especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/550">TS</a>]

00:09:16   because they sell out every year I want color marketing or advertising thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/556">TS</a>]

00:09:23   it's it's one of the very few times it's not the only time you actually get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/563">TS</a>]

00:09:30   speak to developers and in a way limiting that is counterproductive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/570">TS</a>]

00:09:35   because it's not my Google doesn't know what the hell was said in every a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/575">TS</a>]

00:09:40   double-double disease yeah I think it's actually I think it's sort of this shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/580">TS</a>]

00:09:45   towards a more open Apple PR department and I'm not gonna put it all on Katie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/585">TS</a>]

00:09:50   cotton but it you know it ties in with her leaving I mean it started before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/590">TS</a>]

00:09:57   know your to lighten up on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/597">TS</a>]

00:10:00   and a little bit she was still there but it's definitely the shift that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/600">TS</a>]

00:10:04   making and I think it was always about PR optics it was that they don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/604">TS</a>]

00:10:10   people saying anything in public about the beta version of OS they've shown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/610">TS</a>]

00:10:15   until they've released the OS but now you know they've even you know there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/615">TS</a>]

00:10:20   there was obviously like an embargo on Monday morning where they ceded a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/620">TS</a>]

00:10:23   of people from the press with you know the current developer beta OS 10 I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/623">TS</a>]

00:10:32   copy time and let them write about it i mean it's you know I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/632">TS</a>]

00:10:36   emphasize the fact I know because they gave me his copy too I didn't write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/636">TS</a>]

00:10:43   anything I did no ties I told absolutely zero percent chance that I'm gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/643">TS</a>]

00:10:48   ready to write and publish anything by Monday but there are well taken anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/648">TS</a>]

00:10:51   but I think they wanted you know they wanted the people to know that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/651">TS</a>]

00:10:55   emphasize that this is a preview it debated this you know you're reviewing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/655">TS</a>]

00:10:58   the ideas of what we're doing not the current state that their end and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/658">TS</a>]

00:11:04   think in the past they just wanted the opposite they did not want anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/664">TS</a>]

00:11:07   writing about them but i think is slowly going into my comfort zone under they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/667">TS</a>]

00:11:14   did not have in back in the late nineteen like they would really on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/674">TS</a>]

00:11:19   heels and so you know you can understand it backs the world being defensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/679">TS</a>]

00:11:24   caning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/684">TS</a>]

00:11:26   you know the difference yeah and I think you know I think Steve Jobs to was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/686">TS</a>]

00:11:31   a lot less appealing to have people writing about stuff before it came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/691">TS</a>]

00:11:36   and you know and in the whole idea that stuff can change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/696">TS</a>]

00:11:39   you know he won in I just feel like if something changes something that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/699">TS</a>]

00:11:43   announced last week end up not shipping in the fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/703">TS</a>]

00:11:47   you know people are gonna call it out but I don't think that he's gonna lie I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/707">TS</a>]

00:11:52   think he was more crazy about certified that Apple is well I mean that's made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/712">TS</a>]

00:11:57   clear in at becoming Steve Jobs which pleased to welcome both both worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/717">TS</a>]

00:12:06   reading but if you're going to read one read it first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/726">TS</a>]

00:12:09   yes I mean he's black and is the author of two whose experiences it but they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/729">TS</a>]

00:12:19   I hear there's there is part of that story where he basically just Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/739">TS</a>]

00:12:35   call them up and just saying stuff about Apple and but their friends like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/755">TS</a>]

00:12:41   kids hanger do so under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/761">TS</a>]

00:12:47   so yes and even if you were I don't think he'd be so yes times are changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/767">TS</a>]

00:12:56   is the hugest of companies at this point so you know you never want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/776">TS</a>]

00:13:02   punching down tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   think think there's more open attitude but anyway I who better to have on and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/784">TS</a>]

00:13:13   talked about some of this developer level news and try to put it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/793">TS</a>]

00:13:16   layman's terms of what exactly is done and there's a lot like you you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/796">TS</a>]

00:13:23   together pretty nice outline which is a lot more preparation than I usually do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/803">TS</a>]

00:13:26   for the show and just looking at it it's like man well I did have a tough act to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/806">TS</a>]

00:13:31   follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/811">TS</a>]

00:13:32   there really is though the other take away I had from and watching the state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/812">TS</a>]

00:13:38   of the union is that I i feel like Apple is really starting to get better at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/818">TS</a>]

00:13:45   being a big company and it's clearly a lot of this stuff has been delegated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/825">TS</a>]

00:13:52   it's a lot less is going through one person even like someone like craig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/832">TS</a>]

00:13:58   Venter et who obviously is in charge of the engineering teams in charge of both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/838">TS</a>]

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00:15:05   weren't any women in the regular keen on their been women in the state of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/905">TS</a>]

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00:15:52   the presenting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/952">TS</a>]

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00:16:29   responsible for you expected to get it and talk about it either internally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/989">TS</a>]

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00:17:33   the industry as it is about these people are not included the judge did you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1053">TS</a>]

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00:17:44   getting up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:45   yea well and it slowly happening and then and it's really nice to see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:50   taking it seriously because I know a lot of women in in Syria and there has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1070">TS</a>]

00:18:00   some you know it is changing in the right direction so Lisa Jackson is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1080">TS</a>]

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00:18:42   think what some people thought was hey Apple only let s VP's week on keynotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1122">TS</a>]

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00:18:54   president so obviously she's going to speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1134">TS</a>]

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00:19:05   there's any major new redesigned the retail stores and it's worth hey you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1145">TS</a>]

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00:20:30   but holding out on it I know that yeah I'm Hancock up as hey there have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:35   women in Keynote it's a bit of a bit of a stretch it was wearing 1000 nobody me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1235">TS</a>]

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00:20:45   c-level executives and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1245">TS</a>]

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00:21:37   think thats good through this happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1297">TS</a>]

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00:21:53   Google still trying to catch up when they did that thing with the girls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1313">TS</a>]

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00:23:00   the carpet out from anybody you know in terms of that general discussion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1380">TS</a>]

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00:23:08   easier going forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1388">TS</a>]

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00:23:13   the rule is the year before they'd been encouraging it and then they like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1393">TS</a>]

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00:27:39   they slowly iterate over time where they've slowly added a few new things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:43   like they started out I think they only had a shaving cream and then had a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:49   and they had one and not the other and I think they added the gel is the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:52   things are you get a choice when you buy any kid you can choose between shaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:57   cream shaving gel number one you prefer they've got both all sorts of it and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1677">TS</a>]

00:28:04   you listen to me a few weeks ago if you're smart you bought it for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:07   father's day they had a father's take it but they're already sold out of it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:11   be a little too late now anyway since she wasn't coming until two days before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:14   anyway if you're smart two weeks ago you would listen to me about that yeah that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:19   could get you know my lady friend Ted wants a gun cleaning kit and a nice yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:26   so I'm gonna treat her right I guess you could be tired CIA scared to death I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:39   will be asking for that stuff because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41   I let's talk about some of this technical stuff from the WBC and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:49   really is a lot going on the order of your your well I mean we segue from ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:59   so the first thing that you have in the list and I think it's a good topic is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:02   the apt inning and I think that I think that ties into the whole idea that from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:08   Federici in the morning keynote about how they significantly cut down on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:13   what's going to be the over the air size of anonymity over their size but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:18   minimum required open storage on your device to get started with the update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:24   iOS not I think it's got to be really I think so $0.60 like four gigabytes free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:33   for example a one-point lead to things happening which will describe in detail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:39   in the moment and probably dead man's cum say they mentioned is probably a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:50   combination if they're doing some of the research stuff over you know like and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:56   definitely so yeah when it's happening is three things and it is on the mend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1796">TS</a>]

00:30:05   resources which are easier than the example is is a game where it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:14   you're not going to get to level 10 just playing the game until a little bit so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:20   you can have resources that are included in your application but are not actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:24   download from the App Store until you start 22 need to use them so that's big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:30   see you downloaded can be small but you can actually have a big application in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:35   general it used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:38   they remember back in 2008 2009 when we're shipping activities and stuff we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:46   sweated getting the app down to the size we would be ok to download over I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:56   it was at that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:57   10 points something and we had a lot of graphics and audio files which you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1857">TS</a>]

00:31:03   so you know I think now the direct download size is limited I think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:12   limited and it it's kind of a moving target but the total downloads says with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:17   these resources about 20 and it's definitely an issue I see it a lot i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:22   dont download a lot of games myself the Jonas does and it's it's always like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:29   know sitting on a whoopie cushion emotionally when it's a hey can I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:33   this new app but we're out now and it's a while want over the over the cellular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:43   down on them and so it's definitely a big deal and you know there was a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:47   engineering challenge we sweated that because we need the impulse buyer for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:52   those kind of pop yeah I mean do you remember that sometimes and sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:58   not right and even if it's even if most of the time you still remembered to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:04   the same game when you're back on wifi you're gonna lose some some number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:07   downloads that you would have gotten otherwise yeah and that's definitely a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:12   big deal so I think it's a huge win for game developers yeah I mean this does go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:18   did it shields on the 16 Gigabyte which was kind of a non-answer let alone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:26   at the same time they're backing that up with a bunch of this technology did they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:30   put into you I was nine in order to try to make that he he he was day in hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:40   waiting about doing more things that cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:43   but you know the the technology that they've actually been adding support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:51   that supports the fact that they support the argument they really do want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:55   16 gigabytes value viable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1975">TS</a>]

00:33:04   well and like my argument was guessing most people listening to this episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:09   probably listen to that episode amino acid pretty good numbers but my argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:16   my friend was that Apple three years ever since Steve came back has done this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:21   good better best three-way framing the product line and that to me with the 64 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:27   616 64 128 split its a little bit more like ok better best it's hard for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:33   justify calling 16 good and you know he he made the best case he could I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:38   that sixteen is pretty good and and and depending on your needs that if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:43   going to shoot a lot of video don't know you want to upgrade but if you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:46   buying devices for a enterprise type employee type thing that you don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:52   that and you know that you can store stuff with photo even with video you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:58   use iCloud photo storage and not keep all of your video on your device and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:04   still have access to it on the fly when you need it by downloading it when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:08   need it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:09   companies buying it hasn't given that employs its emailing you encountered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:15   messages in the canisters and it basically gauges for that also I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:22   they did to me not to get too many questions good and you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:29   good better best and ensure that it wasn't actually that good so on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:38   other hand you know they are making their investing lot of stuff we're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:45   order to make these lower capacity zones I got so I got a lot of feedback on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:52   question from people and some people were like wow you did a great day could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:55   you just did a great job framing that in a way that you know you ask the tough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:58   question but you did it in a respectful way where you weren't being present [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:04   confrontational other people were like you did you should have followed up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:09   that after his answer and pressed him on it further or other people who made what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:15   is a good point was that I'm it's like my own personal perspective on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:20   where I'm really only interested in the current generation devices I didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:24   mention the fact that they're still selling eight gigabyte devices like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:27   you buy the iPhone 5 seed which is the one that I think currently free with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:32   contract you only get eight gigabytes of storage which is really low but I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:37   think like you said like with this whole at planning things they're not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:40   like they're selling them and engineering has software engineering has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:43   left them behind like I think more than ever they're really focused on making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:49   sure that the entire array of these wireless devices that they're selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:54   our are moderately useful device you know pretty pretty good prices going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2154">TS</a>]

00:36:00   forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:01   yeah my i mean this is pretty much empty cheated but my understanding is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:09   the RAM chips that the use in the 16 gig about it they don't come to reduce that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:17   they need to find a different suppliers like things get complicated stuff yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:23   that's that's something I think we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:25   there's a there's some basic we heard this from the same person last week but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:29   sort of office but that it's a little bit more complicated than just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:34   product marketing implications of the way that it if 16 to 64 or 128 is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:42   split boy there's an awful lot of people who are there on the fence might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:45   gone with the law if it was 32 at the low end would have bought that 32 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:49   instead by the $100 spend the extra $100 to get the 64 clearly that's part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:56   but that we heard that there's a technical reason and it was that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2216">TS</a>]

00:37:00   crazy I know if the if the 32 gigabyte chick chips did exist it wouldn't be is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:06   not a hundred dollar expense tablets a couple of bucks at the most but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:10   there was something very very specific about these chips with 32 ones actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:16   weren't there and they wanted to have a minute quantities 16 was actually there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:21   is actually like what you call it an operational advantage to 16 64 128 so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:30   you know i cant its only have spoken to the guy actually buys all the stuff you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:38   know that seems plausible to me and it's also not something feels but on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:45   other hand so I love this software technologies and a lot of it there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:50   awful lot of things it's gonna keep coming up because if if we even get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:53   swift and stuff like that but boy the whole and and and one of the things the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:58   shore said last weekend I do think we're starting to see it is that a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:01   these things are years in the making and some of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:05   many years maybe close to a decade i mean when did happen first bring Chris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:10   Lattner in hire him and and sort of adopted LLVM as as their official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:15   compiler technology going forward in may not close to close to 10 years close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:26   think less like LinkedIn users on the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:30   is he voted billion paper any got basically because she she stank and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:40   that's not gonna get all bent out of shape about GCC but it was great time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:50   really hard to make the advancements that it was saying the LLVM the FreeBSD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2330">TS</a>]

00:39:01   is adopted it I think there's some some work for Linux bit like that from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:08   Wikipedia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:09   reports that hired him in 2005 so ten years and obviously they've been reaping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:16   rewards from that big and small every year step-by-step but it changed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:23   development tool it's really starting to the the way that thats it's not just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:29   first couple of years of advantages of switching from Jesse were really about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:35   developers are the only people who saw those advantages and now we're starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:40   to see this trickle out into user facing features things that would not have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:45   possible with gcc I believe like saying oh don't think you have wrong now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:55   tell him just just to double down on Leonard lender is the gestapo going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2395">TS</a>]

00:40:05   downhill and its exponential impact he's doing a great job get too swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:12   eventually but he's killing it absolutely is back in the next days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:18   before Apple even barton had what was called fat boundaries which we call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:26   universal binaries head coach seconds for each of the different chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:32   architectures did the application so you know PowerPC you intelr HBU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:37   Science Park stations during the idea is that the tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:43   sort of table of contents at the beginning the file and then you jump to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:49   the QuickPay agents don't start reading did the same book in your language and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:56   one book which held for five different versions of the text each translated as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2456">TS</a>]

00:41:03   appropriate for the architecture that you running on the fatback meet that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:09   became universal acts on the Mac with Intel and PowerPC and now 32 and 64 bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:16   down and one of the things that would happen on old next machines was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:22   people would line the command line which still exists cold lipo and wildlife but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:31   we do would go into one be executable files and strip out the architecture's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:35   did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:36   native to run the ad and that would save you some space and back in those days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:42   there was space that would be something that you know people like do a blessing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:49   in very similar except that it happens on the App Store level we need download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:55   and that I was nine using a blessing only the code is appropriate for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2515">TS</a>]

00:42:02   device are you downloading it for will be downloaded so you won't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:06   extraneous code through 32 bit or 64 bit arm and one nephew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:12   through there and this is probably the biggest win is the resources will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:18   culled didn't appropriate so if you have an iPhone 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:24   only download the app to XP so instead of the three X resources that should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:30   included so it will be the minimum but it will be only exactly what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:40   application needs and that will you know that that would have huge gains in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:48   of the application downloads and the device itself in its seems like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:56   going to be a big deal and it happened so you submit as a developer you submit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2576">TS</a>]

00:43:00   one up with everything all your resources or 32 bit or 64 bit compiled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:07   output you submit that the App Store and in the App Store takes care of serving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:13   the sliced up here's the here's here's only what you need version to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:19   customers which is great and it's one of the benefits of having an after you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:27   this License doses you need to download a program and so it's another way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/2607">TS</a>]

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00:59:43   but if you only multiplying powers of 10 like $1600 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:49   all you have to do is add a bunch of zeros right like legitly that's how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:53   learn to do math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:54   there can be a very fast way to do multiplication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3594">TS</a>]

01:00:02   this compiler can take advantage of because it's it's being introduced as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:08   new contingent exceptionally good as a new capability in the CPU now multiply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:16   to multiply this matter of happenstance to slow its the same multiply same order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:22   of operations is fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:25   whether they take a shortcut although they do the full amount clay is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:31   is something that is basically decision based on the decision to make and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:39   Apple is basically reserving the right to change your code a little bit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:43   order to better take advantage of these my nude optimization right and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:49   not as has widely been speculated a way to future-proof compiled code for as yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:59   altogether new processors that's my understanding yes this would be as hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:04   to target retarget to a new processor as taking a salary and jogging tomorrow and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:11   under the hood so this article that was getting a widely cited article written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:17   by I don't even know it is here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:20   here she goes by the name international lemon and I i don't know who this is but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:24   that the initial lemon wrote an article that sort of thing they're probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:34   wrong that it's it's a good I recall I recommend reading it it's where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:38   started until I spoke to people a little bit more magic then then they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:45   probably get away with and maybe even like from your perspective as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:48   developer more magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:50   then you would be comfortable them trying to get away with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:54   well so ready to getting lost in your shulman hey that's where they seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3714">TS</a>]

01:02:07   excited about the possibilities and it is it's exciting that you could we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:11   target application to different platform on the other hand somebody targets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:16   Michael different platform and I don't get to prove it and it shipped under my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:23   name I am gonna feel very uncomfortable it now turns out that's not what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:29   doing there is there they're doing small optimization can have probably pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:38   small benefits but in under certain conditions it did so and you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:47   excited about what next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:50   so this was called me and just as somebody who majored in computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:56   sciences to think about computers I it's like a purely computer science thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3776">TS</a>]

01:03:01   Apple unveiled a new compression algorithm they're calling L E E [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:09   almost surprised because Apple usually comes up with some kind of name for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:12   everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:13   and its replacement for well sort of a drop-in replacement for GNC live or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:25   whatever but that it's different I mean I dont replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:30   it's an alternate laughs as he should speed compression factor and its way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:39   faster than Zealand and competitors better and but the only thing that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:50   didn't unveil about the state of being open source guessing that they probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:55   will but they just didn't want to say anything right now because they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:58   they're not ready but who knows well like you said I think this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:04   serious comps a territory yeah if they don't open until I said there's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:09   be a paper on it just seems to me like even if they've you know I can't see why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:15   they wouldn't open sources I mean is if there's some part of it that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:19   patented but even so it's like to me it would be better for Apple if they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:24   be more in Apple's interest to have this is widely used as possible assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:28   everything they say about it is good that it has the tight compression a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:31   want but it's three times faster than the liberal whatever they would but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3871">TS</a>]

01:04:37   can patent something in still describe the Andre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:41   that's kind of the point you can even a gift for you know better than I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:51   through twenty years seems like before the patent expired yeah the problem gift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:57   tho unisys owned up and give the day didn't enforce it depend on it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3897">TS</a>]

01:05:03   enforce it and the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:06   of a sudden unaware of everybody was using it and then somebody at Unisys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:10   realize hey we on a patent on this and then you know everybody sort of yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:15   was specifically if I i since their invention the family of things it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:21   I think what they could do that Apple could do some anybody could do I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:25   other people have done is you can patent it and say this is an Apple patent but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:29   then they can they can bestow that patent you know they can say this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:33   open to the world you know once you have the patent is the bus but they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:38   like make you can listen to terry like a legally binding to determine the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3938">TS</a>]

01:05:44   licensing terms if the terms are everybody can use it and everybody can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:50   use it but I don't see that this is not a major benefit Apple this is not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:57   to be more of a benefit Benefit Apple if everybody else started using it even you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3957">TS</a>]

01:06:05   know so like Google's servers were using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:08   Amazon servers were using it or other you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:11   startups you know people with Web services could deploy it anywhere from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:15   anywhere so that iPhones receiving these you know their stuff over the air could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:22   take advantage of this and have better compression and you know less CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:25   intensive decompression of the compressor and white and one thing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:32   point of that was that a lot of the compression algorithms that we use today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3992">TS</a>]

01:06:36   were twenty thirty years ago and CPUs looked very different backgrounds so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:42   creating modern one that takes full advantage of modern instruction sets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:49   the ability to work on letter dated with meant getting to the node weeds and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:56   one but there's methods to work with a lot of data with very few instructions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4016">TS</a>]

01:07:01   and and the CPU just optimized that well I have to say much more about it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4021">TS</a>]

01:07:06   do so I still think it's an interesting thing to be coming out I'm not surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:09   but it's it's interesting just pure computer science when to come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4029">TS</a>]

01:07:13   yeah one thing and even before the show I see faced him as the open-source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:24   exception they're really pretty good deputies said yeah but they're people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4044">TS</a>]

01:07:29   remember that infamous when they face time and Steve Jobs and it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:35   open industry standard we're gonna you know we're going tomorrow morning we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:39   gonna send this to all the industry's standard standard committees and blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:44   blah blah and so whenever apple says anything's gonna be open people like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:49   breath on FaceTime FaceTime is definitely the exception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:52   you know yeah I had seen this before but said on your show I went out to party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4072">TS</a>]

01:08:00   with the Chiefs Sunday as the day it was announced and they had no idea what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:07   don't know and have since heard from people who would know that Steve asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4087">TS</a>]

01:08:14   somebody can be open sources and they just came back with cheddar and jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:21   critique like whoever gave the answer lies in the entire team sitting in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:28   audience and when they heard there was gonna be open source D they were as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4108">TS</a>]

01:08:32   shocked as we were probably marcia so anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:37   us in the interim but it's not that's not some kind of thing that's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:43   complete version and it's sort of you know it's you know you gotta take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:50   good with the bad with Steve Jobs where he can be impetuous and impulsive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:55   sometimes that works to your advantage and sometimes it doesn't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:59   impression that she was to you and they had all sorts of other problems with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:04   that to where they had like a patent lawsuit and then there was a time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:08   think I might be some of seven middle but some of this there were problems you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:13   know someone FaceTime debut to where we are today where because of a patent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:18   lawsuit they had done roll some stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4158">TS</a>]

01:09:21   and it made it love work lies well you know dropped calls and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4161">TS</a>]

01:09:25   it got worse for a while before it got better because they had to take out some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:29   stuff because of a patent lawsuit obviously that would have been a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:33   if they'd open if they had just just quote unquote open source the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:37   thing anyway yeah you don't just decide to print or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4177">TS</a>]

01:09:42   technical and you know that's alright so next big topic we've got watch kit to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:49   point out which is seriously a major major major difference so watch kit as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:54   we know it with what they unveiled last november what every single watch app in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4194">TS</a>]

01:09:59   the App Store today is his code that runs on your phone and projects you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:06   onto the watch and watch get to point out as promised by Jeff Williams month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:13   or so ago is native native native code that can run on one point still works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:24   which is nice and might be good for some uses you know why I asked yeah sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:29   about that last weekend there may be some apps that don't even need to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:32   natively if they really do just need occasional status update why even bother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:36   with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:39   so I do think it would get there was a big thing yeah I think so when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4239">TS</a>]

01:10:50   surprised about with just exactly how much access we go to it because we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:58   we all expected acts when we get complications notifications glasses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:06   apps I really did not think that we use third-party developers would be afforded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:14   access to the complications I always expected that we would be eventually but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:19   I thought that would be a next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4279">TS</a>]

01:11:21   well it's actually sure but as it was called watch get to put whatever first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4281">TS</a>]

01:11:30   release of native yeah I will never use a version number like this but more last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:35   night what we had with the current you know watch kids sorta like watch kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:40   0.1% prized the card it watch it seems like watched it could have been a boon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:49   Bluetooth thing and then I don't know watch STK could have been but you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4309">TS</a>]

01:11:58   interesting you still need to have an iPhone app in order to have one jet you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4318">TS</a>]

01:12:03   cannot sell watches directly and they need to be a compliment to your iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:08   what that means is you know probably lost the muddy day going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4328">TS</a>]

01:12:15   approval I can you disable screen comes up and check you are probably not but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:23   what was keen to point out with his is remarkably robust and forward-looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:32   especially compared to that we saw the line should I one of my go-to moves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:39   during WWDC is when I run into somebody I haven't seen an awesome 90 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:43   just asked him you know and especially this week I just had last week I had had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4363">TS</a>]

01:12:49   more meetings and stuff outside Moscow need than usual most every day I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4369">TS</a>]

01:12:54   something going on and i i really I didn't make it to any sessions at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:57   all week long so I was woefully under informed even compared to usual so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4377">TS</a>]

01:13:02   just ask people like tell me something call you learn this week and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:05   what you're taking I kept hearing over and over people who are surprised you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4385">TS</a>]

01:13:09   were like I knew they were gonna say that they said we're going to get native [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:12   watch out I can't believe how how much they've exposed to watch out sorry you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:17   know even knowing that we're gonna have something quote-unquote native running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:21   on that people are vitriano developers are very surprised at how much i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:26   shut you know not to be too nice to you but until I watched him 1.00 period to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:40   to chill and condoms to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:44   yeah it really is usually have me on the show and I agree with something you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:55   me to die I i text it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4435">TS</a>]

01:14:01   forget we're texting about that I told him it killed me to publicly how good he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4441">TS</a>]

01:14:05   looks like they got written during fireball lawyer I don't know why we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4445">TS</a>]

01:14:18   him I am along with beer and so here's an interesting things so complications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:22   everybody is excited that there's really good complications API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:27   and a third party apps can add complications to all these phases it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:31   fascinating design challenge I was talking to the guys my friends who work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:38   at mlb.com and they do the MLB app and they were like they heard about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:44   they were they were just like us they were surprised that they were gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4484">TS</a>]

01:14:46   it and then they immediately started plotting what they're gonna do and for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:50   most of these complications you're so limited in space and how much size it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4490">TS</a>]

01:14:55   like that their first thought was that you could pick a favorite team and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:57   you have a complication that while the game is going on would show you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4497">TS</a>]

01:15:01   score but they for most of the sizes of complications they maybe they figured it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:08   out by now but at least last week they still hadn't figured out how to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4508">TS</a>]

01:15:10   because you can't use color because the colors come from the he said he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:18   yeah you can't like say the Yankees are blue in the Phillies are red and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4518">TS</a>]

01:15:22   indicated with dots that way or something like that you have to do has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4522">TS</a>]

01:15:25   to be without using color to indicate that and there's so little space that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:30   you you know it's it's really it's gonna be a great design challenge in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:35   like constraints being you know forcing you to be super creative yeah I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:44   just as I know you have the MLP guys like but it's not just use live in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:55   baseball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:55   those guys to meet ya like we've had lunch but joined you for lunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4555">TS</a>]

01:16:01   you don't even know the rules of baseball you if i dont have a good time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4561">TS</a>]

01:16:05   to talk to they are very very smart cars and they are loved as well and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:14   not jackasses when I like to swing the bat this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:19   batting a thousand is that a hundred percent yeah but they are killing it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4579">TS</a>]

01:16:29   terms of technology like you killin it i think is correct in their backend is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:36   one that's terrible video back and does all of the WWE stuff and the HBO now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:43   they're not doing HBO Go HBO Go is still the old HBO backend stuff is yes and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4603">TS</a>]

01:16:51   think I think the new stuff is probably more popular yeah and I mean just wrap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:57   your head around that MLB is major technology is crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4617">TS</a>]

01:17:02   well I think about this like they did last year with HBO Go when Game of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:09   Thrones the last year's season of Game of Thrones came out their servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4629">TS</a>]

01:17:12   crapped out and they had to say stuff like we know it's Sunday night and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:18   there's a new episode of Game of Thrones if you want to watch it on game on HBO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:22   Go why don't you wait a day or two and there was none of that this year with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:28   the HBO now and it's one of the things people do you know when when when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4648">TS</a>]

01:17:33   online stuff fails everybody talks about it and when it works perfectly everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4653">TS</a>]

01:17:37   just assumes that it was supposed to be but they mlb.com back to HBO now stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4657">TS</a>]

01:17:44   with Game of Thrones just just worked and everybody wanted to what you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:50   just want to sing their praises was not damaged but you know complications from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4670">TS</a>]

01:17:58   the white person I don't think I can even tell you how many times I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4678">TS</a>]

01:18:03   hanging just does the conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:08   check out what's going on with the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4688">TS</a>]

01:18:10   every great and the way complications work is pretty cool in the you provide a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:16   timeline but I obviously that's not going to work for a game because you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4696">TS</a>]

01:18:21   predict the future but for you know stuff like weather or coming events you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4701">TS</a>]

01:18:27   can provide timeline and then when you start dying the digital crime and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4707">TS</a>]

01:18:32   get to see into the future I haven't tried the beta gonna put america watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:38   and you still have you thought about that I do I was getting ready to send it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:47   back and maybe I should keep it put 2.2 on it that's going in the garbage and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:54   that they're gonna incinerated because I work it yeah probably lives gonna put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4734">TS</a>]

01:19:04   that in zip lock bag and going I think like a lot of people while I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:08   watching the keynote and they said ok and now we've got this time line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:11   interface for complications and you spend the digital crown the go forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:15   or backward in time and it'll show you you know like so few of the temperature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:19   obviously the show you the future temperature but you can go back in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:23   and see the previous temperature or the joke that they made that the stock you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4763">TS</a>]

01:19:29   know just how good does not go into the future but you can go into the past and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:33   see the stock moving throughout the day as the hours you know change I'd like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:38   am sure a lot of people I immediately thought what the hell happened now when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4778">TS</a>]

01:19:42   I spend the crown on my watch and I went on the ground and of course nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:45   happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:46   well depends on the astronomy and leave the Sun so you can do that you can spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4786">TS</a>]

01:19:56   that thing and it shows you what happened but that with those are two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4796">TS</a>]

01:19:59   phases where you don't get to customize the complications and it makes me wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:04   maybe that might be why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:06   you didn't get to customize the complications because they didn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:10   to have had that hadn't occurred so makes me wonder whether in the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4810">TS</a>]

01:20:18   to point out what maybe they'll add some minor complications to like the solar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:23   face because those will update to the ground we'll have to ask your friend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:31   say but I thought that was pretty quiet and that's pretty cool use hindsight it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:36   seems pretty obvious that I was gonna come to everything actually I should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4836">TS</a>]

01:20:40   able to predict that because while so you know why should spinning the crown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:44   piano Op yeah of course and well I mean they killed it I think that great just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:57   seeing what he when you next UI UI your next counter communist is a major and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4857">TS</a>]

01:21:05   not only that there's the tactile feel is it coming soon in that you move the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:11   digital crown very little while we have to spend a little bit you know there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:18   a it's a screaming to the top of the page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:21   dresses like swinging couple and you have known here as foreground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4881">TS</a>]

01:21:25   discouraged background preferred what does that mean this is something chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:32   it to me when we were doing a debug WWDC to get eventually on the phone you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4892">TS</a>]

01:21:47   not do anything in the background is not on screen he would be dead to the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:55   you expected to launch quickly and get back to what you were doing but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4915">TS</a>]

01:22:01   weren't running and then when they hit the home button to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:04   crap you have a second or two or that he would let you clean up and and once at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:09   times over your cut off whether you were done cleaning exactly the OS's aku done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:16   and one of the things I love about a ways is dead is not afraid to just kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:24   processes will tell you you've got to clean up and kill you right where is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:29   the classic UNIX mindset that rude UNIX mindset is to go to extraordinary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:35   lengths to keep all processes running like the whole system can be out of RAM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:41   and it'll it'll start swapping and going to using the desk in swapping memory out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:47   to extraordinary lengths to the to the length we're really slow everything to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4967">TS</a>]

01:22:52   crawl but technically at everything is still running and I was instantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4972">TS</a>]

01:22:56   camping out on it figures that had to get swept the Mac is it a few times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4976">TS</a>]

01:23:03   running low on disk based bad things will happen but I S no did you write so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:11   I you know and you're saying that addresses observations that the watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4991">TS</a>]

01:23:15   different we're actually prefers that you do well in the process of selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/4995">TS</a>]

01:23:22   running back in berlin you schedule a bunch of complication and then provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:32   them to the API and then go away soon as you turn that dial your process is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5012">TS</a>]

01:23:40   involved in telling the watch what comes next if you've given it twenty or fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5020">TS</a>]

01:23:47   or a hundred events in advance when the time travel dial when the digital ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5027">TS</a>]

01:23:56   is turned your application never been worn out all the information is required [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5036">TS</a>]

01:24:04   to be saying that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:07   your day on screen has already been given to the app and it won't bother you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:13   so in a way it's more like you provide data and times to the to the watch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5053">TS</a>]

01:24:23   it decides what do with them rather than phone which eventually headed immediate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:31   interaction model for me since I magnin I do think so I know you may know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:41   like you're supposed to keep your complication going you to schedule like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:45   you know it obviously it could be abused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5085">TS</a>]

01:24:48   well I mean this User difference is like you when I try to schedule the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:56   you keep asking me like a free now if we now if we now look at these are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5096">TS</a>]

01:25:03   budget I'm not really in this is where I am free and you can go away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:07   information working around your schedule and then come back with a well is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:14   time that works for both of us they that's kind of what the complications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5114">TS</a>]

01:25:20   and watching you provide them with the timeline of dance and data rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5120">TS</a>]

01:25:27   the watch asking you persistently so you as the application asking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:33   application PA system to provide new information it asks the application of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5133">TS</a>]

01:25:39   pride a list of Benson in time and there's this new they call it a high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5139">TS</a>]

01:25:46   priority notification if it comes into your phone and you market is high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5146">TS</a>]

01:25:51   priority it'll go to the watch right away and i was thinkin that's perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5151">TS</a>]

01:25:55   for something like a sports app like the MLB app with scores like if you say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5155">TS</a>]

01:25:59   wanna have scores on my watch the Yankees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:02   it can be it seems to me like you can be really smart and knows what the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5162">TS</a>]

01:26:06   hasn't even started the game doesn't start till seven o'clock at night so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:09   we'll just all you need to know is that there's a game starting at seven o'clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:13   and in the complication can just say something you know 7:05 p.m. Miami [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:18   Marlins that's who the Yankees are playing tonight and then once the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5178">TS</a>]

01:26:22   starts they can just wait for the every time they score changes and a high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:26   priority notification and then the watchword be up-to-date pretty much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:31   soon as the notification is your iPhone and it doesn't need to pull on a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5191">TS</a>]

01:26:34   basis again just wait for this you know for their a piano that watched the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5194">TS</a>]

01:26:39   how to get those notifications that only happen when the score changes and so do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5199">TS</a>]

01:26:46   things you first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:47   notifications no longer need to be presented to the user they can just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5207">TS</a>]

01:26:53   to the second I love you think that a Yankee score changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5213">TS</a>]

01:26:59   high-protein well this is another very this is where it pays to be a soccer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:05   because then you only have to get one no notification game since they all end 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5225">TS</a>]

01:27:11   can argue with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:15   ok that's getting my clothes get website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5235">TS</a>]

01:27:21   surprising to me so the gist of the distal that seems to be I didn't see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5241">TS</a>]

01:27:25   session but I only saw the highlight of it in the state of the union but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:30   now they're going to have a set of API said that a web app can use iCloud for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5250">TS</a>]

01:27:34   user IDs and pretty much get the same data out of it that that native apps can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5254">TS</a>]

01:27:42   ya dad is kind of remarkable again haven't looked into them as web stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5262">TS</a>]

01:27:51   not my forte [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5271">TS</a>]

01:27:53   it seemed from just the slide and what they said that you could use it for any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5273">TS</a>]

01:28:00   occasion when you guys it used it for desperately trying to land at home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5280">TS</a>]

01:28:08   probably I mean it would have ruled this week and that's if I'm not wrong they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5288">TS</a>]

01:28:14   came up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:15   and you can see Facebook science and the reason we did those cool to say how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5295">TS</a>]

01:28:22   can say that we thought about it I think I've talked about this but did nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:26   secret about it we definitely thought about it because we didn't want to rate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5306">TS</a>]

01:28:28   our own authentication system because it's every moment that we that we spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5308">TS</a>]

01:28:35   writing an authentication system was a moment we weren't writing call features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:38   that were specific the best burger but the problem we found when we asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:41   friends and family normal people and not not like people who are developers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:49   no indication system is a pain in the ass is that a lot of normal people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5329">TS</a>]

01:28:54   really hate signing in with Twitter or Facebook because let's say they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5334">TS</a>]

01:29:00   want to use a note up and they think and I think reasonably so they think hey I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5340">TS</a>]

01:29:05   don't want to use my facebook as I don't want my facebook getting messed up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5345">TS</a>]

01:29:09   these notes I don't want Facebook posting something from a note I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5349">TS</a>]

01:29:12   want i just want to keep them separate people don't really understand where one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5352">TS</a>]

01:29:17   thing blurs with another but they do they know if they never even sign into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5357">TS</a>]

01:29:20   this Notes app with Facebook then they can never get intertwined and people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5360">TS</a>]

01:29:28   just uncomfy people don't like doing it people like having I know it sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5368">TS</a>]

01:29:32   it sounds counterintuitive because everybody knows it's a problem to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5372">TS</a>]

01:29:36   75 different user accounts that your active using and you have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:40   you're supposed to use a different password with these one and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:43   developers think I'll solve this will just use you know Facebook as your login [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5383">TS</a>]

01:29:48   and then you can just use the account you already know but the truth is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5388">TS</a>]

01:29:52   people are uncomfortable with that because they don't want Facebook getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5392">TS</a>]

01:29:55   mixed up with these other services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuxlMhD0/5395">TS</a>]

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