00:00:00 ◼ ► here we are we're recording on Friday June 5th so three days before the BWC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► cannot keno and my guest is mark fuhrman from 9 to 5 Mac same market they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► have been about a year since I've been on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/14">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► yeah I think last time was little after the previous WWDC well I couldn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/17">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► of anybody better to have for the WBC reload show as I would call it then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/23">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► you had a remarkable run this year MIP well we'll see how it comes on Monday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/31">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► but it looks like you have scored an enormous number of scoops thanks I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/36">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► people who don't want christmas foil should probably just stopped listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/44">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► are you the type of kid who who hunted through the house for Christmas presents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/50">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► I'm Jewish so well right now we have Passover and the tradition is to hide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/55">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► the moths somewhere in the house and are always be the one to find it when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/66">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► growing up so yeah pretty much yeah but he's supposed to hide your supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/70">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► find that right what about like like birthday presence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/76">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► yeah maybe I'll go digging sometimes for those I don't really remember but I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/80">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► your point I remember twice doing it and i think is that I founded the same place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/85">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► brand new dirt bike bicycle in the basement there is like the back of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/94">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► from my parents basement there's a little extra room behind the door and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/102">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► wasn't even looking for presence I just don't know what I was just bored and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/107">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► looking around the basement and went in there and there is this awesome brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/112">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► new shiny chrome dirt bike with red trim and red tires and I was so naive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/115">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► this was a couple of weeks before my birthday and I'm so naive I didn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/123">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► holy shit they got me a dirt bike for my birthday I thought why is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/129">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► definitely held at the time I was probably around like 10 or 11 and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/133">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► and then I knew though that's the room looking at Christmas I went in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/144">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► looked around and I saw that I was getting the Millennium Falcon the big a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/149">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► scanner Millennium Falcon toy and then on this is true I honestly thought you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/152">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► know what I'm gonna stop looking for Christmas presence is now I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/159">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► terrible yeah I know what you mean a little different with that stuff i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/162">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► there's a lot of people who all these stories coming through the Iraq war you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/170">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► publishing this this is a lot of information you're ruining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/175">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► the key no I don't look at it that way at all there's movie spoilers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/178">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► you know people hunting for their birthday gifts you don't have to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/184">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► the stuff but just doing my job as a reporter think what people are a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/186">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► angry about is that yours so accurate yeah maybe a little bit we'll see I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/190">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► said I was on just oppose keys tomorrow do tomorrow podcast earlier this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/197">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► and then last week with Rene Ritchie here on my show but both times you came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/204">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► I don't see how you can come up if you're going to start saying what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/210">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► expect for WBC but I mean that sincerely I i've been reading you know Apple rumor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/214">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► website ever since Apple rumor website started and I might even say 95 back is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/221">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► more than a rumor website but the type of sites that published you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/226">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► ostensibly hopefully informed well sourced information about upcoming Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/231">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► stuff that is not you know not intended to be public information I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/239">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► following it since since they existed at least one like 20 years in the mid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/243">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► nineties when the web first came up and I remember in the early days nobody was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/247">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► accurate word every site that existed at that time that was like focused on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/253">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► rumors I think there was like Mac OS rumors I always used to getting confused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/258">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► with with now the longstanding website MacRumors right there was like Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/264">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► rumors there were a couple and their track records were atrocious you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/269">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► I didn't have the name clam chowder yet from from a good friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/278">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► friends of panic data cable sasser and Steven Frank but I've always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/282">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► obsessed with the notion behind it which is why does nobody keep track of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/286">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► crap and and just remember that these this everybody is all excited about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/290">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► site you know that is reporting something something about you know at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/296">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► the time you know like Mac OS 8.1 or something like that when these were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/300">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► same clowns who a year ago said this that and the other thing none of which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/304">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► panned out right and in that time there have been others who had better records [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/307">TS</a>]
00:05:11 ◼ ► I've dabbled my toes in it in my own way but in my opinion nobody has had a run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/311">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► like you've had the last two years with in terms of accuracy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/320">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► I appreciate that so so they wanted to ask you about your run last year before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/323">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► the wall came out you had some quite lying about something next month in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/328">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► September when everyone was expecting the watch to come out in October of last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/333">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► did you make a mistake there and you have to get it right or was it like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/338">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► true like coy I know it's coming out in September thing that's the question mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/342">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► we want the truth here I did I didn't know and you know here's the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/350">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► the reason that I don't even I do less and less of that now than ever before as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/361">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► I found that it makes me unhappy in life unsettled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/366">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► because these things can change but at the time that it wrote that I happen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/373">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► know that the watch was planned for September but not as probably sometime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/380">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► in August 2010 and I don't remember that it was sort of you know got picked up by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/385">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► text me and all this stuff I did now that was the plan and I you know but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/390">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► could change you know differently I could have been wrong which is why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/400">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► didn't want to put it in your country terms what I knew was I knew that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/404">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► had the bigger venue booked for September and I just vague and just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/408">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► first it was very very distant but just so you know I put it all together and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/416">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► was very clear that was September not October I think that counts he had it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/421">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► October well yeah but when he said October that was like six months before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/428">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► the phone between two months things can change so right well you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/435">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► you're talking about for sure oh absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/440">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► so where do we start I mean there's actually a lot of stuff that has come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/445">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► out today I mean this is always the case before the so there's two of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/451">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► that are that are today that I saw and if you saw these so business week for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/458">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► bloomberg business and in what they're calling it this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/464">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► Lucas Sean Tim Higgins have a report that Apple as of today Friday June 5th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/466">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► is still pushing to complete the music deals before Monday that they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/474">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► all the music labels on board for the I don't even see how it's a secret anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/479">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► that they're going to go out with the updated streaming service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/488">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► yeah they've always been a sort of eleventh hour with those details I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/492">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► you love that word even with like the book deals backing pad and the newsstand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/497">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► few years so I think this is typical Apple every year or whenever they do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/503">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► big media launch we see stories that say hey you know Apple still working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/507">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► those deals faxing over some paperwork so this is not terribly surprising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/511">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► meanwhile a DQ is courtside at the Warriors game vs who are you rooting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/515">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► you know what I used to be a huge basketball fan and I kind of fell out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/521">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► with the NBA and I've kind of been getting back into it specially this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/528">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► I felt like the playoffs this year have been terribly exciting so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/533">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► absolutely john told the Warriors I I like the way they play but I have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/536">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► I like I do like the comeback story with with James going back to Cleveland and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/541">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► making them an instant contender I think I think it's two good teams and I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/547">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► the way both teams play I happen to really really like the office that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/552">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► Warriors play though I really like that penetrate and dish back out style of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/557">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► right i mean they're both fantastic teams I'm agree with you on the comeback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/564">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► story with LeBron basically carrying the team through the eastern self but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/567">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► honestly not a fan of the whole Stefan curry leaves office in play on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/571">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► Warriors too flashy but he takes that twenty five foot three pointer and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/575">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► turns around before it's going in the basket like that's pretty pumped this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/579">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► don't know I like the same about that I use to me I feel like if I had actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/586">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► been a good player the player that I could have dreamed of being would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/591">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► been like curry yeah he could've been in the NBA instead of writing during prob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/595">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► yeah sorta Reggie Miller smile when you say yeah yeah yeah bit regime similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/599">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► similar build you know dead dead dead shooter from you know incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/605">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► distance anywhere but anyway as a great picture that's been circulating eap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/611">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► cheering LaBrocca hun from courtside yeah this is why the deals are done yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/622">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► your proof to what are you ready queue is that as a basketball fan is a Duke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/629">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► fan and a warrior season ticket holders so his college already won the college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/634">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► championship and and his pro team is one game up in the finals yeah yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/639">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► we'll see how that works out over the next couple weeks I still think LeBron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/647">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► is a come back and tell you that's the thing about the NBA Finals is that where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/651">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► you know the team with the greatest with it you know it sounds stupid but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/655">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► the one sport where I think it's true we're when it comes to the finals the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/660">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► team that if there's two teams with like a Hall of Fame type player I would even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/665">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► say that carries a whole event I player it's too early but you know if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/669">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► but with the greatest of the greater of the two all-stars stars usually wins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/675">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► regardless of the other peripheral players on the team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/681">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► yeah I mean like Jordan teams were the perfect example I mean pippen was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/685">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► and what was his name is crazy right running with a credible force to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/691">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► reckoned with but the truth is you know Jordan when it came down to it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/699">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► yeah same thing with Kobe yeah absolutely yeah like the Kobe teams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/706">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► without Shaq right I love Kobe Kobe fan but now he had that ability there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/713">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► that's the weird day and you you know maybe the quarterback in football is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/719">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► closest you can get but the idea of keep it within a handful of points 23 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/722">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► to play and then let let him take over whoever you know that maybe yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/731">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► came over so I don't think he's gonna go to the Sunday night game I can tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/737">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► that I would question I'm gonna watch out for that that's the thing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/744">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► my understanding and Apple you know one of the things that they've always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/749">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► pretty secretive about if I told you about is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/752">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► the process that they go through to rehearse keynote you know they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/758">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► don't talk about it you know they go through the weekend although there there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/762">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► right now will be there this weekend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/766">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► definitely goes through the weekend but I've heard stories that there have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/767">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► times where it goes almost surprisingly late Sunday night given that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/772">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► you know that it's going to be on stage and i wanna look trash you know ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/779">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► o'clock Monday morning rain right shows up in his warriors Jersey or not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/785">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► know well and I expect that and he would have a major role in it because the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/792">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► that Apple does keynote is whoever is I don't know if it's quite did you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/798">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► that internal lingo DRI but whoever the executive is who's in charge of whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/804">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► it is that being he noted is the one who presented and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/809">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► yeah absolutely it seems like there might be a big chunk of the keynote that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/814">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► gonna be in any Q's domain like what with the indicators that Apple music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/818">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► right hand well I guess if if it's true that Apple TV isn't making a cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/824">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► yeah I think that there's three reports on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/832">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► 3 reputable sites and just in the days before the key now so I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/836">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► that's probably right that they they cut it out I didn't see 300 Brian next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/841">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► chance at the New York Times said no new Apple TV hardware will let us catch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/845">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► council must be ready and then recovered as well as a matter of minutes I did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/851">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► for that that's really telling them I'm surprised you didn't have any take on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/858">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► change report saying that they cut it out in mid-may what do you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/863">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► that sounds it's unusual I think but it sounds about right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/870">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► given what I had heard blasts I've heard is it was set for WBC but I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/878">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► heard any likewise I even spoke to someone very reliable after this report [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/884">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► came out who said that the SDKs and all that they're preparing for Monday still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/889">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► has or has it that they still had all the TV kids started intertwined in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/894">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► so when developers bullet thing apart don't be surprised to see some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/900">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► references to that on Monday afternoon or whenever people get their hands on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/904">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► explain that to me though what do you mean by the so besides the Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/909">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► hardware they're gonna have they were planning an AppleTV SDK developers could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/912">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► write you know apps for it they control from an iPhone about new controller but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/918">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► now that you know they're pushing back the hardware it seems likely that a prob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/924">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► gonna push back the SDK as well so what I heard was in charge of the spin like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/928">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► late decision that the SDK still has the tools for developing the AppleTV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/933">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► STK variety West nine that they're good I see what you mean I was not I got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/940">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► go right so now I assume or could be assume that they're scrambling to remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/945">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► that functionality from the built or releasing an older built without it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/949">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► or just they just say screw it and let everybody River Department afternoon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/954">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► so be it yeah because they know that mean there's no you know when everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/959">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► knows something is left behind an SDK and it seems pretty clear to mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/965">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► something like this would not be a mistake something like this would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/970">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► what we gonna do right back in the day when I first got my start writing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/973">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► would leave stuff back all the time I remember with the iPad 2 every speck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/978">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► wallpapers everything was all right and left to the SDK but they've gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/983">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► better over the years the last big leaguer remember was the fingerprint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/987">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► sensor in the iOS SDK but even that was pretty good in everyone around some like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/991">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► icons or something like that right right yeah I can show something so why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/998">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► didn't read patch kinder now I missed it but what's the what impact Caskey say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► about why there's no Apple TV hardware I remember exactly what he said something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1013">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► along the lines of it not being ready for prime time or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► yeah I think that there were some people who were speculating that it was because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► the TV service you know with this idea that they're going to have you paid $20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:15 ◼ ► a month or I made the number up but you pay a month apple and then you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1035">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► package of 20 or 30 cable channel's content yeah I don't think that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► case at all I think the plan all along was to announce the hardware apps STK in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► June release it soon after the keynote and then introduce the TV service and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► say hey you're gonna get the harder now and then the service will come with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► software update in the fall and that was always the plan in the meantime you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► still get all of the iTunes content you already can you can buy episodes by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► episode you can rent and buy movies you know all the content you already know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► and love on Apple TV is already there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► exactly and for their marketing scheme that would be an amazing tour of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► Apple to have it come out n roll out soon and get all the exposure once again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► when the new services ready in the fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► yeah so I don't think the two are connected in terms of the WWDC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► announcement being pushed back I am I i I suspect the same thing I have to say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► and I'm not being coy I really dunno nothing I'm as surprised by this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► anybody cuz I had heard just you know the little things and that you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:27 ◼ ► months I heard that Apple TV hardware was was on pace for WBC along with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1107">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► SDK etc I think though just my spidey sense about the company is that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► they're not announcing it on Monday that means it's not ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► rate right I agree because I think that they probably wanted to ship it just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► few weeks or a few months after the WTC keno and they're probably not able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► hit that anymore so they want to just push back the announcement and they feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► like they way to the fall to announce it they can release the hardware like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► week and a half liter with iPhones have plenty of quality ready to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► yeah yeah and it might be the sort of thing where you know just loosely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► speaking I I have a sense that I mean iPhone is still a huge deal for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► company is the biggest deal financially by introducing new iPhones is harder and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► harder to make a big deal out of because it's a well-known product and so just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► like my example like I've said about last year so again the two most popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► iPhones it if ever introduced you know best-selling have propelled the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► to new heights but there wasn't that much to say about them they were self [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► explanatory it's the iPhone you know and love except now it's dinner and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► bigger or really bigger and it has an uncomfortable Cameron oven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► yeah they hit in the marketing show earlier so thats why I think that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1194">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► parrot with the watch introduction and the fact that they could throw in Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► pay in between them as an introduction is icing on the cake is then that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► they can hold their biggest event of the year at least the biggest and alignment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► if you don't want to be too easy and have big things to announce other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► just the iPhone because it's really really hard to see why I think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► you know however long shoulder was up there talking about the iPhones I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► it would really really would've been hard for him to go much longer just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► because there's not that much more to say I agree there this fall probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► like you said it probably will probably double up on the iPhone and TV September [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► maybe have a big iPad event in October with the new air many in the bigger ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► approach that's right yeah and whatever other others but I guess smaller event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► may be on campus again but I'd expect big event September we are skipping WABC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► in talking about September but that's what I would do but and I think you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► if they're thinking hey this offer is not ready y release it now the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► reason to do it would be so that they could have whatever they gonna call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► TV kit whatever you know it's called TV kids sessions at WWDC but if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► introduce a new W new developer API outside WWDC in the fall so be it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► know I mean they've done that before I mean they did that with the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► iPad right then right as the iPad and said you've got you know four weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► update your apps to run on it go right and I would be surprised at some big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► major a partner's maybe get the SDK see the two then maybe July August late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► summer time frame at a time so I do think I think the writing's on the wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1298">TS</a>]
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00:24:29 ◼ ► version of iOS can be called I was nine and a new version of OS 10 10.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► so what's the OS 10 a.m. you got last year you know what's your take this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► you know what so in the spirit of openness I will tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► yosemite was a complete guess on my part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► honest-to-god nobody's snow buddy from Apple nobody ever said I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► called you say it did make a lot of sense well my thought was Mavericks gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1494">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► away that they're the type of place they're looking for like a nature you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► know big scenic type thing I knew that it was going to be the the version that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► has the big you I overall which at least you know in marketing terms means it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► big update as it looks down and so you're somebody to me was the it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► big obvious one sort of like with the cat names the way that like lion was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► big one that they were waiting for tire was you know tiger and lion where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► two big ones so I just guessed yosemite I have no idea this year because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► with california Natural Park system error or be just so I know guess this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► ok you again sir maybe big server or sea el cap that's like a part of Yosemite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► right to cut up the geography either think it is great and so this update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1556">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► from what I'm hearing is not going to be a huge update functionality wise or user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► interface wise so maybe going with the last NL caps kind of like build off that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:14 ◼ ► you're somebody named could make sense that's a good guess I've heard the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1574">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► thing and it's not just I know you've reported this but I i've heard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► especially in which we talked to be tied together but I think you've i dont wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► I don't want to put words in my mouth but I think you've reported that in both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► cases with both OS's there's more of an emphasis on cleaning up the edge cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► in the details and bug fixes and refinements you know not quite as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► drastic maybe as Snow Leopard was but that sort of OS update but I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► from what I've heard that's more the case with OS 10 then with iOS yep I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► heard the exact same thing so on iOS it's kind of like a meeting in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► middle maybe with a snow leopard and like a standard and you upgrade so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► they're really focusing on making sure it works well as a QA processes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► performance and efficiency wise but also adding new features but on OS 10 only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► new user facing new feature I've heard about is control center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► interesting I i dont I actually don't know anything I don't know anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► about control center because you and there's like a lot of little things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► we talked about San Francisco for the phone as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► ok and I have spoken to people who've seen it on I was not I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► mean I mean she forced me to this too but it's not the exact same San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► Francisco as on the album watching kind of a little bit more curved yeah maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► like the activity is on the iPhone right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► well I don't know the details of exactly what changes they made but I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► absolutely positively convinced that it's not the same digitized version that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► I know why because if you ran that hack that came out last year that let you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► didn't I don't think that anybody I don't know I don't have a jailbroken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► device so contrite but I know I know s10 there is a thing on github you download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► the version of the fired from Apple with the developer can you run a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► script and it makes a version of the front that if you put it in system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► library fines when you reboot your Mac it'll use that instead of the system's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► version of Helvetica Neue and it looked bad but it didn't look right you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► have shifted off a little bit is screwed with the menu bar so easy just in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► of being like a person who super finicky and about typography it just didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1733">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► the right to it like just a few love it then I think of it there's no real way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► to put into words and I think the reason why is that the version of San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► that Apple crafted for the watch is shockingly designed to look best at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► tiny little sizes that you see it on the watch surprising right which our way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► smaller then then the sixteen point that you see in the menu bar on the Mac so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► there you know it's just like a lot of modern-day digital funds it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► different optical sizes have different kerning in different details to certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► that the cliffs and I think he took the promise in earlier podcast interviews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► with Dan Frommer something incredible he said i think is your Gmail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:49 ◼ ► that there may be partially doing this because they want to own the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1789">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► experience have to license so far from other providers well they're still gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► have that funds they still have to license it there's no way they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► getting rid of Helvetica but this way they have a look that can't be copied ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:06 ◼ ► so like HTC has used Helvetica Neue four years in like their custom skin for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1806">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► Android you know and honestly it makes their you know like their lock screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► look a lot better than the other Android devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► yeah absolutely it's a good father that this will put like similarity across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► samples platforms it's good marketing wise you know they did the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► remember the OS 13 2007 and last year for the Mac I think changing up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► phone a little bit keeps everything fresh yeah and I think that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► there's been other people have written about it in detail but its almost hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:51 ◼ ► to talk about it because it's so to ubiquitous fun but it's not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1851">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► perfectly suited as a UI font and I you user interface front has two meaning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► fight for things like the labels on buttons the menus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► you know the the chrome of the OS as opposed to the content within it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► not that great for it it's not really a great fun sure that it's not bad and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► looks better on retina screens then Lucida Grande did but San Francisco it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► sort of like being a little bit more industrial and a little bit more sturdy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► where it's you wouldn't want to read long passages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► I'm suspecting for example like when you open mail your still gonna see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► content of your messages in Helvetica Neue it's the labels and the chroma the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► OS that'll be San Francisco I could be wrong maybe they'll really maybe they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► go to San Francisco for content as well although I I'd be really surprised if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► Mac could be interesting to see if third-party developers come out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► lots of updates to sports San Francisco now lake there are all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► residence play in touch I D API updates over the years whenever the hell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► should it should just happen automatically because what they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► be doing in the user interface is not specify a bargain oil but specifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► developers do that right actually the custom graphics ones now but I've heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► I've heard the same thing yes so tell me in what you know about control center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► for August 10th so before yosemite came out they were like the internal built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► throughout employees if you swiped on the left side your truck that the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► opposite open on education center control center would come out and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► would actually moved some of the menu bar to the side so the about this Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► wifi controls volume controls I think some battery indicator things to access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► brightness music controls similar to how it is on iOS Bluetooth maybe those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► replicate the menu bar but not remove the menu bar so you can access it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► either side or maybe they'll just will ship with control center altogether but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► it's basically what you'd think it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► yeah I think that part of it is we're whenever Apple comes up with something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► new it always helps me to think just take a big step back and just think well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► why and I the one thing I could think of when I read that is all these tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► little icons on the menu bar have always been to me a bit of a hack user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► interface wise like the thing that makes sense in the menu bar or just the menus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► File Edit View history bookmarks Safari write those little status things have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► up there and I know why they're there because you want them to be accessible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► quickly like quick how do i turn my sound down ok I'll go up there to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► speaker thing and driving you down but it's never really felt right to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► semantically dramatically in terms of the user interface and there was a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► I don't remember this there was a time in the early days of August Henry there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► were like I don't remember the names but there were two ways to write those menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► things and there is one that is using a private API and Apple used it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► another using the public API and you know developers but they wanted to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► the extra stuff the private API could do so they use that one and you know all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► sorts of ugliness and soon do you think they offer a way for developers to tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► yeah I do I think if they come out with it they definitely would in the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► that they have with Mike today widgets right control of parts as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► especially on the Mac I think they're way more likely to give developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► access to new things like that on the Mac than they are on iOS right as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2095">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► whereas control center is not it's not really touchable know but I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► they would and I think the reason that they would I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► going all the way back to Mac OS 10.0 way back when you know when you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► like two years haha I don't think Apple has ever liked the idea of third parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► putting stuff up in the menu bar the little icon many years just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► just like it's just a little bit gross and it looks terrible to just as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► eyesore when they're doing the right now a transition some of those icons yes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► have like a right now one and then a third party that's all pixelated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► what's in and what's the what is the highest profile piece of hardware that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► apple has released so far this year the mark fuhrman math book the mark fuhrman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► MacBook and guess what the mark Gurman MacBook has a very small screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► those icons run up against the side of the app you know it's very very easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► have so many icons up there that happens a lot of menus like Xcode or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► like that that they run into each other that's a good point in even think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► that now I want to move it on the iPad 2 iPad you swipe up for it but if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► move it to the side on that as well I don't think so now I don't think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► because I think the iPad follows the iPhone iPhone you know really needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► come up from the bottom from the side sure like I feel like with the iPad if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► the iPad lived in its own universe it wouldn't make much difference whether it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► was a thing from the solder thing from the bottom but because it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► really just a big iPhone at gotta come up from the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► yeah I think the only things that happen likes up there is the status of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► you know the spotlight and what he called what's the Notification Center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► yeah spotlight icon being there is interesting because when they cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► with spotlight with Tiger through whatever was before yosemite Mavericks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► you have a little pop out in the top right corner but now you're clicking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► this magnifying glass and top right corner but the text field pops up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► middle of the screen doesn't make much sense yeah you're actually right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► that I think about it so maybe they'll get rid of that entirely and just tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► people to do the the command space bar right and if you're the sort of person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► who's doesn't think about using a command line thing that spotlights and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► I'm sure you anyway maybe maybe it moves to the doc yeah you know they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► icon for spotlight in the file system anyways always had so right maybe for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► quick mouse at corner lot shortcut or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► yeah I haven't heard anything else about 10 I think that probably has got to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► few things you know i i do expect I just think that there's got to be a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► things but I do think that it's a lot more like a snow leopard style release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► yeah absolutely I mean I heard there's a big focus on security with this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► feature called rule s which sort of blocks the file system from being as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► successful as it is now the Finder won't go away people will still be able to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► into the file system but like the root directories and such will be will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► hidden yeah that's an interesting feature that's in that to my knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► it's entirely grumman scoop you know everything I've ever seen about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► ultimately it somewhere at the bottom of the article says as first reported by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► Mark Sherman under five my might be more of an iOS thing because it was designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► initially to sort of break jailbreaks in the future for people people people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► being able to tap tap into the system but there's some ways to apply it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► well yeah I can see it and I think it ties into you know obviously it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► first think of it as a security feature but I think more and more see his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► security and privacy is being intertwined and anyways it's it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► sort of doubling down on features like this has much to do with their their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► stance on privacy as it does on any sort of just the general principle that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► want your OS to be secure and it also goes back to the big picture stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► bigger quality stability focus not loading people tap into the core parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► of the system will likely keep the stable overall the privacy thing is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► good point because there has been a lot of talk about a Serie A PRI and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► I'm sure you've heard this well at some point they were considering a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► full-fledged way for developers to tap into Serie yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► but from what I understand they keep holding back on that because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► concerned about the privacy implications so what say you give a command to Syria [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► you're trying to tap into Yelp but what if Syria miss interprets what you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► and send your data to another Apple Google out she's Amer something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► that so they're concerned that serum I sent it to the wrong place because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► misinterpreted what you said it so yeah I could see that or I i just off the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► of my head that if they opened it up to third parties even if they made it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► just backed that they would I suspect that a Mac and iOS it would definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► you know everything goes through the App Store but even if they did it on the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► which doesn't really have proper Syria anyway if they if they did I would see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► them as doing it only for Mac App Store apps because I think they would want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► approve the apps because they wouldn't want used in any context where what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► might be saying to Siri is stuff that Apple does not want going to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► servers for whatever reason you know a lot of sense read into that what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► will but I don't think that they want you saying you know they don't want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► even some you know there's a porno or you know pirating movies or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2481">TS</a>]
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00:41:35 ◼ ► they're not gonna want you but on the other hand I guess they still allow it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► for dictation and that stuff still round trips to the service so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► I don't know all I know is that the privacy thing is from everything I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► heard is super super super top priority across the company its legit it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2510">TS</a>]
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00:42:02 ◼ ► everything we do but this is a real real concern for them I do think they will do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► something 945 Syria PRI by that deep linking up indexing feature that Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2528">TS</a>]
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00:42:24 ◼ ► to be indexed by Syrians belong to something a little smaller scale yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2544">TS</a>]
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00:42:38 ◼ ► things you know and that you could say hey Siri tell things to add blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► have that parse correctly and I know things maybe as a bad example cuz I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► things like a bunch of to do abs can integrate with your system wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2575">TS</a>]
00:42:59 ◼ ► reminders list just get stuff in your inbox but there's no way to do like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2579">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► it only makes sense in the context of this app Syria and they kind of have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► acted like I know and I use things in their settings they they talk about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► reminders policy reintegrating that with things so they recognize that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► absence well right and you know there's just all sorts of apps where we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► serious specific input like if Syria could be a smart about a third party app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► as it is about some of the built in stuff it would be great right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2607">TS</a>]
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00:44:41 ◼ ► like that where you have email that's under your own control what you do but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2681">TS</a>]
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00:45:04 ◼ ► and your mail server and it can make a tremendous tremendous difference in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2704">TS</a>]
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00:45:17 ◼ ► I don't even know how they do it I don't know how they're they're spam filtering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2717">TS</a>]
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00:45:26 ◼ ► account in under your control can get a quarantine report on a regular basis and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► what that means is you get an email from mail route in your inbox that would just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:38 ◼ ► say here's the emails that we were sort of like maybe on and you can look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2738">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► through that list and instead of looking through like five thousand i've got i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► got an email address will be here I swear to God and it's not in front of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► around otherwise should I just don't use this to mean that much anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► has over 5,000 spams in the impact right now I know that they're almost all spam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► and address that I've used just for ordering stuff online in the past now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► route can filter all that crap out but then you can get a report this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► quarantine report and it'll say here's 7 that we were like maybe by design or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► really short I bought that list if you see one that actually wasn't span you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► like two clicks away from whitelisting that and then it'll never get flagged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► again but that way you don't have to go through all five thousand emails that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► they did FICA spam and look for the false positives they give you this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► quarantine list that is great it just it just gives you the ones that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► like maybe in a very few of those super easy to set up super reliable because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► you just pointing you just redirecting your MX record to go to mail route first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► then on your server it's so easy to try and if you don't like it although I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► can't imagine why they would be I've never heard of anybody is try to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► stuck with it because it's so accurate but if if that's the case all you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► to do is change your MX record back you don't have to change your email settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► on your phone and laptop and on your thing you don't have to copy your mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► from you know these big huge gigabyte archives of your old cold mail from one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► server to another you're just changing your MX records so it's super super easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► your night e-pro they've got all sorts of API's and tools you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► anything you want to do if you're like an email had been super super advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► but if you just wanna hook it up and have it filter out all the junk it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► easy to they've got all sorts of other stuff LDAP and Active Directory pls mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► out pound relay anything you want from people and their mail mail route handles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2853">TS</a>]
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00:48:06 ◼ ► probably a hundred of them a day I die sometimes I think about email as I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► you imagine anybody setting up a new service today was like you have a public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► address and anybody else on the entire Internet can just send stuck to its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► crazy I mean are hardly read you know seriously anymore I go through every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► morning when I wake up my phone and basically selecting almost the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► looking out for names I recognize are important domains and such but otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► spam it's it's so crazy John Siracusa in Maryland man have a new podcast and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► were talking about users talk about being in college in the nineties he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► a little bit younger than me but it's college to get on the internet before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► they had even like you know you direct connections in the dorm rooms he'd go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► the lab and there are these bTW 100 terminals saudi riyal yer see those who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► really was just you know what you think of the terminal app it was a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► that that's all it was was attorney sure but they didn't have him call you log in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► now and then you get you get your mail on you know you tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2949">TS</a>]
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00:49:19 ◼ ► went with the terminals themselves were world writable so if you knew the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2959">TS</a>]
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00:49:35 ◼ ► the assumption was it's like that entirely internet was sort of like built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► on academic rules wait why would anybody do that as you know we're all in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2979">TS</a>]
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00:49:51 ◼ ► you know it's crazy and email is like this bizarre holdover from that system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► it's amazing to me that Apple is playing in that email space BC Dropbox trying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► they spoke with their messaging and all that and iCloud email in the mail apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3004">TS</a>]
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00:50:18 ◼ ► that anyone with two you know come in here and in it in some way in the email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► space it could be apple but here they are doing nothing at least publicly yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:27 ◼ ► that's a nurse and never really thought about that but presumably in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3027">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► way that anybody who can I messaged each other if if they came out with their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► specific toppled Apple email to point out type thing you know just as many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3036">TS</a>]
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00:50:48 ◼ ► know some kind of new email type thing to each other or maybe they'll just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► know beefed up by a nice engine try to make email go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3053">TS</a>]
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00:50:59 ◼ ► because they just would be easier for them to put it all in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3059">TS</a>]
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00:51:22 ◼ ► to be credibly email reliance company that they didn't really have any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► complex I don't know what you would call it internet style messaging type thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► that you know most communication within the company took place by email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3093">TS</a>]
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00:52:06 ◼ ► easy for you to connect you know like if I think it was like you would type in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► like at nine to five mac.com and then it would like help you know trying to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► you it would be like here's the teams for your organization which one you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► to join but that meant though that you could just taking gas and type in at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► microsoft.com and it would like tell you is all the teams from your company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► are in slack oh well I wish I knew that we could have figured out they had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► cartoon I want I don't think I don't think there is anything I don't recall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► and I don't think there is anything that was telling him they were kinda smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► about it but it was just kidding I try to look it up for the show us that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► big beliefs like even thought there would be an even has good idea to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► something like that public you know what though it's exactly like it snap it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► your right and I'm sure that they were slapping themselves on the forehead over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3177">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► it but it's like when you are a good person and you're just trying to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► somebody it's so easy to overlook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► the you know what if you're a jerk brain right at somebody wrote an article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► awhile ago that everybody needs like chief jerk officer who looks at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► everything and just says ok but what if I'm a jerk great it's a good point yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:26 ◼ ► so I was nine yeah here's where there's a lot more action going on right so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3206">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► are we now know San Francisco right we know that user interface wise besides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► the phone it's gonna look pretty much the same I heard some new splash of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► colors color changes on some icon some user interface elements but if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► know the difference between LA and San Francisco you think would be no we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3232">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► about maps maps is getting a big upgrade so transit finally they wanted that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► the door last year and I guess the ready now but it's only been a handful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► cities so San Francisco your Terrano London Berlin Paris Boston in Tokyo by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► also they're gonna have to China launched sort of a small-scale rollout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► starting the funny thing now about hitting those cities is that yes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► sounds like a short list of cities and you know clearly they are behind Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► on this regard because Google s transit information all over the world but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► you can get like the top 10 cities you you hit an enormous number of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► who need the transit information because they're so populations right and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► they're gonna move quickly on this because I know that this new version is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► going to have a notification system that you can be alerted when transit arrives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► in your city so they're planning on doing this frequently over the years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:08 ◼ ► they have a whole road map of where they want to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3308">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► what times future right like the big thing is having transit is it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► architecture for transit in general yes and then after that they can do over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► air updates you know I was nine point one or even 9.02 or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► and it adds you know new cities or even over the air without a software update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► just through the backend infrastructure alright maybe I wouldn't be surprised if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► that's the case but I mean if you were to say three cities in North America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► that you can only get three I think they got those three which were introduced a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► new york shipping cargo ya Los Angeles were you thinking you know what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► when I asked whoever was talking to their los Angeles is actually extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► and surprisingly low on the on the list of where they want to hit but los [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3355">TS</a>]
00:56:01 ◼ ► Angeles is a driving city and that's exactly why I put Chicago Chicago but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3361">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► they got Toronto San Francisco New York ya later we'll see and I know boston has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► a great infrastructure for it like it is weird city for I don't I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► there's some information Mr public transportation organizations called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► septa southeast Pennsylvania Transportation Authority but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► that there's really behind a lot of the other cities like doing when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► visiting friends in Boston last year like it says like hey you're buses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► coming in 45 seconds and like your buses coming in 45 seconds maybe that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► boston's not ready because they want to integrate the functionality yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:48 ◼ ► know I don't know why boss maybe I think maybe it still goes by pro by population [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3408">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► I mean I don't know I know they really wanted Boston it just wasn't ready I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► don't know you know I think all these API's are different you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► all the different or you know I i've from what I've read about it there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► like unifying standard and that one of the reasons that Google has had a years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► long lead at this is that Google is this is the sort of thing Google is good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► and if every single city reports this transportation information in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► different way Google's really good at saying that's ok we'll make sense of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► yeah even if it's not a uniform I would guess that Apple could take if they only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► did two cities San Francisco and New York it would it would hit an awful lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► of the usage in the entirety of China so right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► yeah yeah yeah I guess China it might even be more important I think china [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► that the number of people who take public transportation is gonna be insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► but the interesting thing about china is that there's some illegal government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► monopoly on Alibaba who owns auto now these so Apple's not allowed to do their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3474">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► own transit data collection and China so actually you know struck a deal with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► about to get the data from them for trying to tell me what the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► will be yeah probably liability anything else from maps yeah so those bands that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► they've been driving around for a few things one they're redoing their entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► base map the geography fundamentals of the map app and they're bringing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► launch that by 2017 or 18 so the trucks are doing their application on that data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► but they're also taking pictures of storefronts a lot of people thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► these were Street View cameras linked with Google does and they do click the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► like that for 3d stuff they're going to do in the future but the more short-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► thing is taking pictures of like a triple-a or storefront Foreign Office to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► replace Yelp so right now when you go into a place in the maps out let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3535">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► you go to a restaurant it'll show you a picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► of a menu item at the top taken by someone who uploaded it to help and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► lot of times those pictures are very poor quality people stepping back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► saying hey we want to do this ourselves so they're taking stills of storefronts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► and the plan was start ruling that out with iOS nine but it's more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► long-term initiatives so might not be ready and there's also a browse around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► me feature so let's say you're standing on a street and you wanna see a curated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► list of great places to go around you so that around me and I'll show you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► list of the best cafes the best whatever around you that cell phone store and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► also been testing that with an augmented reality of you so you can wave your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► phone around and see through the phone's camera lens the stuff around you kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► like Yelp tested if he truly this years ago Google had something like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:59 ◼ ► not sure that's ready but those are some things that interesting very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3599">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► I do think with some of the mapping stuff it's understandable that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► still behind Google just because Google had a lead and I i do think that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► sort of that they're roughly keeping pace like I don't think there I my gut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► feeling is that they're closer than they were when Apple maps debuted infamously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► received product rollouts in recent memory from Apple I think since then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:35 ◼ ► even if you don't count that first version even if you ask forty-year I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3635">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► still think that in the time since then they've caught up more to Google then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► Google has pulled further ahead and I think that's just the way it is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► yeah here's my problem with that my problem is that only now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► starting their own data collection to release more reliable version three four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► years from now instead of going to TomTom in those other data sources back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► whenever they started this project in 2010 2011 for the fall 2012 lunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► instead of going to them why didn't help will start their own data collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► process but the very beginning that's what I don't get ya and I would broaden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► a little bit and just say that again I do think that they've gotten better I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► use Apple maps and I know with two Polski on his show is he laughed at me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► is that nobody uses Apple maps but that's not true if you look at the stats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► iPhone users overwhelmingly use Apple maps it's way more than Google Maps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► I i've had some really good experiences with it but the thing that gets me is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► seems like some of the stuff that they've done is it could be expressed as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► that they shipped out why not just like used to you know like you so why not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► start collecting the money like some of this is just sort of a man power issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► like Google Street View is a pretty cool feature but among the many things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► Google does it to me is like it's not the most technically impressive to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3716">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► it's like manpower impressive that they've sent so many cars out with so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► many teams to take so many pictures all around the world it's just they how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► companies have the resources to do that well guess what Apple is a company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► has you know it's a it to me seems like a problem you can solve by throwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► money at absolutely and who has more money than Apple should have started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► longer ago and the and again i whenever this comes up on the show I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► preface it by saying it is so much easier to spend somebody else's money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► than your own so every time I hate Apple spending money yes I understand and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► the way that you build a massive war chests of money like they have is by not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► spending money frivolously but that's set why not buy every map in company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► with decent you know why not buy as many of them as they can at least more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► their Minot by TomTom whatever cost because surely whatever it would cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► would be affordable that I mean I know they looked at more than they that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► bought they looked at Foursquare for sure they looked at they looked at yale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► or a deeper partnership with the help but I guess they thought they could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► it better than their own that are on their own and what's the point of buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► TomTom that you can have a cheaper partnership with them anyways I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► but on the other I don't know it just the back of my head it just seems to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► like that the yes there's engineering problems but some of the stuff with maps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► could have been accelerated by throwing money out and again one thing is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► putting manpower out there you know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► you know more of these teams with these hands covered with cameras on the street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► when they seem to be doing with these acquisitions is buying maps related [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► technology resource and science companies from that instead of buying a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► data companies companies so as Foursquare and Yelp but they bought all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► those transit apps who came up with like trip planning features and all that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► bought Sports Center which didn't provide data but it sort of aggregated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► points of interest will be using for that other mass feature we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► so they're sort of buying the means to build the data themselves and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► bought the company that had them that they use for the 3d view rights III [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► right and i think that at the time that they're they're libel you know it took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► Apple's acquisition of them for them to really beef up the amount of images that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► they had but it was so is it yes they had some but it was mostly a technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► acquisition not a data acquisition they bought C three before the maps came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► so they biased III in 2011 and 2012 but I guess it went to been as good without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► them right I don't remember during the beta period for iOS 6 they stripped all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3895">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► the 3d from one of the betas and then the next release all the 3d stuff came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:05 ◼ ► back and was ten times better than it was before so now I don't remember that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3905">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► something probably fixed in the middle there I do remember that it was a major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► part of four stalls demo of it right and the iPhone 5 at WWDC yeah there was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► well you know I might have been the straw that broke the camel's back is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► way to look at it I think that even if maps I suspect my hunch is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► alternate universe where maps had a let's say lukewarm response cuz I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► that was the best they were gonna do there is no way they were going to it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► just not feasible to come out of the gate with a with complete peer to Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:53 ◼ ► but they had to make the switch because of contract reasons that they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3953">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► couldn't they were they did not want to give Google another year and what Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3955">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► was asking for them you know was more than I wanted to give and they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► things like turn-by-turn directions so they needed to just rip the bandaid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► often do it even if it had been a better lunch like hey this is about as good as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► we could have done the first time I still think forestall would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► oh yeah I agree but I think that you know anybody know what else in MACO MACO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► sis 900 s nice we talked about senators Co trans it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► proactive stuff so last year's big term was continuity this year the big charm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► and I don't know this expands marketing lies but internally something called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► proactive and that maps browse around these features one component but another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► component now I don't know this is a hundred percent lock for next week but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► they have been working on this with the intention back whenever they're working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► on this for iOS not mine so I just want to preface by saying that but it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:05 ◼ ► entirely new spotlight and instead of pulling down on the homescreen you swipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4025">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► to the right to open a new screen on the left kind of like how you open spotlight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► pre Iowa 7 yeah I when I read this on your say I misread it at first I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► get it and now I get it it's sort of like to me it's like home screen 0 like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► if you had your first home screen is home screen one now there's one at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► position 0 to the left right and I called a layer in my story and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► probably was not a good way to reference it will be better would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► the first home screen by its part of the OS and the talk there's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► spotlight search bar that you have now but beneath that is a bunch of timely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► functionality similar to Google now so you're next calendar appointments if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► have an appointment at the airport your flight the passport card for the airline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:59 ◼ ► ticket could appear I call you john every day at 5:30 p.m. a bubble could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4079">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► pop up saying it's time to call John or its 1 p.m. and it's lunchtime another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► bubble with local restaurants around my location could pop up so stuff of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► nature right but that's where you'll go if you know that you want to launch this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► app and you don't know which homes grant on instead of doing the pull down menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► go over there 20 and start typing the name of the app so that there's that too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► but there also will be yeah it's kind of like when you type in a search term now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► stuff like that so if you were to type in you know call through our calendar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► whatever those relevant search results could pop up or they could just be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► waiting for you to be seen what they do but it's a big emphasis on redoing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► more contextual features yeah I forget if we've talked about it was with Renee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4135">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► last week we talked about this but one reason it to me it makes a lot of sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► is that just from a basic common sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► user interface design the way it is now the way it has been since iOS 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► doesn't make a lot of sense to me because if you pull down from the edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► you get notification center in today view but if you get bogged down in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► middle then you get the spotlight search and to me that pull down from two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► different places and you get two entirely different things is just a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► yeah for sure but so give it its own side and then all of a sudden to me it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► new functionality so I think that this is it does indeed launch next week it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► will be the highlight 9 yeah I would be surprised and that would be a good place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► to wear who knows if they have any new partnerships to announce you know from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► other third parties that they could sneak into those results right have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► seen the apt you that Apple acquired a couple years ago only I think through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► your report but yes and those Dell beast like his last name's yeah that's why he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► bought it he wanted the domain name where you have to clarify though that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:21 ◼ ► not Q UE UE right right right see you may be better for trademark purposes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4221">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► what what's the queue up the QF is basically a list of things in your day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► based on your calendar so basically we're explain kinda like Google now so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► you have facebook event coming up for a calendar event that you're going on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► sleigh are you want to put the airline ticket or restaurants cafes and offices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► or stores around you type of deal also local of dads or let's say it in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► calendar I have podcast withdrawn at 1:30 p.m. around 1:30 p.m. on GATT a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4254">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► bubble same park as for john l show me your contact and phone number and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► emails related to it as well it's very contact at the email and apps oriented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► yeah that sounds right to me and it's you know let's face it a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► iOS and Android are sort of coalescing around the same ideas and you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► think in terms of you I niceness iOS was way out ahead and in terms of this sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► sensibility Google was obviously so they're both playing catch-up in each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:51 ◼ ► other's areas and so it's no surprise to me that and I and I didn't even make hay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► about it I pointed it out but I you know to me it's no surprise that the new copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4316">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► and paste UI and AndroidTM is really it's just their version of the highways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► copy and paste system they tried their own thing with these inscrutable icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► at the top of the thing as opposed to putting it right above the selection I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► think maybe they were trying to do the noble thing and come up with their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► UI and you know what there's you know the bottom line is lo these five six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► years since I last had copy and paste later it's pretty clear this is the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► to do it on a touch screen and now they're doing it and I think that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► sort of luck your phone should know if you have a flight and ideally it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► know if traffic is bad between where you are right now and the airport where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► you're going to let you know that stuff will be there like this is not super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► advanced AI like you you know you are in centers you know me I'm in center city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► philadelphia I have a flight today at 5 that leaves from the Philadelphia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► well it's not that hard truth like the phone to figure out that at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► I'm gonna need to leave where I am and get to the airport and it can check the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► traffic is really bad you should leave earlier than you think and they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► building up to this year's anyways with some of that data you can see the places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► well I think this ties into another big news this week which is Tim Cook's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► speech at this epoch GPIC dinner where we're sort of a scathing critique of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► without naming them I'd say Google and Facebook and the fact that they sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► targeted ads based on what they know about you and you know it's got a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► coverage I think deservedly so I think it's definitely an interesting issue I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► think it's one that you know whatever even if you're all in on the Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► platform that you want to be aware of I do that I think Ben Thompson a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► pieces behind a paywall furs and I would summarize like this that if Tim Cook's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► being disingenuous it is in a way that he's phrasing it and I think it's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► astute point from from ban which is that Cook is saying that they're selling your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:17 ◼ ► information to advertisers and they're not actually what they're doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4457">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► promising advertisers that their ads will go to the people who are interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► but they're not giving that information to the advertisers to an advertiser who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► pays for the targeted ad doesn't know a goddamn thing about Mark Wright it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► it's because that information is what enables them to sell the ads they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► actually they they do collect information about you to use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► information to make money from advertising but they're not giving that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► information to advertisers because of that that information that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► that is so valuable that if anything they might be more motivated to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:59 ◼ ► your stuff private and Apple is because it's the fact that nobody else knows as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4499">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► much about you as Facebook and/or Google in the different ways that they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► stuff about you that makes them so value is actually an interesting point but on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► the flip side where this ties in with what you and I have just been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:16 ◼ ► about is I think some people are overlooking the fact that because Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4516">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► doesn't collect this stuff for the purpose of selling you targeted ads that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► they're not even in the ballgame exactly context sensitive stop and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► that I think that they're they're they're gonna be very very surprised by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:34 ◼ ► the next year or two from Apple the ass differentiator here agrees that it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4534">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► about the data that Apple already has with you on the phone maybe this will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► on the Mac to they're not really opening up to third party developers as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► they could if they wanted to not care about privacy as well as they do I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► read retailer anecdote I told the two polls show earlier this week because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► think it's so telling an early example of this sort of thing but back in April [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► or early April I had an appointment with my accountant and I i live in center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► city philadelphia my count it out in the suburbs I'm going to him for years I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► know how to get there but I was testing the Apple watch it was the first week it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► was actually the week in between like got the review and when the review is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► due and I don't drive that much either way here's the one here's chance to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► out driving directions let the watch me driving directions there even I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► really need him and it worked great but then I can't wait there it told me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► get off the week although it's this Google expressway its main artery west [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► and it told me to get off and go a way that I never would have drew well I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► listen listen to Syria let's see what happens and actually took the exit I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► looked ahead and I could see that it was on that I had taken off an exit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► traffic was at a standstill ahead and it took me this weird way through North [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► Philadelphia that I never would have gone had never driven there my life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► i ended up getting to my account maybe ten minutes later than I normally would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► have given way left but I was still early I was on time and I checked on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► the news in the maps and a tractor-trailer overturned on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► Google expressway and if I had just stayed on the school call I never would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4643">TS</a>]
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01:20:09 ◼ ► tackle Google and reduce reliance on that eventually you know it's very hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► to just wake up one day and decide to drop Google search your platform but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4813">TS</a>]
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01:20:22 ◼ ► Google kind of teaching the consumer that cool was not necessary so last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► they took some steps with the new spotlight with the Wikipedia results and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4827">TS</a>]
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01:20:35 ◼ ► they'll have something else maybe a year two or three after that everyone will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/4835">TS</a>]
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01:26:01 ◼ ► what else is on the agenda for iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5161">TS</a>]
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01:29:28 ◼ ► multi-user on a Mac with different home directories and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► course the user can't see home directories and iOS but in terms of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► the fundamentals of it it's just like on the Mac from what I understand let's see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► if I still got a little game left I what about this have you heard anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► in Iowa esque getting a dedicated iCloud drive up yes there was a dedicated like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5389">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► I'm not sure thats internal only or if it's going to be released the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► person I talked to said they didn't see in our car driver and the OS nine till [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► they were using so maybe its App Store download you have to be interred in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► settings but for sure they have one in uses internally in able to be used and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► ready to go I'm surprised they didn't have a nice hard drive that released [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► without hard drive us here but I won't be surprised when I could drive out all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► right which would probably be the closest iOS is a really get to having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► finder Yeah Yeah Yeah right instead of a access to the file system its you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► the access to this abstract file system which isn't really the file system it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► you know like Dropbox right sort of or like in in the Finder if you were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► limited to the iCloud Dr source list i right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► it'll be interesting to see him even thinking about myself right now I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5455">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► Dropbox if they had a full-fledged Iowa so I absolutely consider switching to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► club Dr yeah because why I duplicated right now let me tell you i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► you could be right on the cyclo Dr appt if you were implying that you have heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► this they are kind of going to be pushing iCloud drive more as a service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► as in right now the notes out in the calendar app and all that he uses an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► IMAP infrastructure through iCloud for your devices but what they're wanting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► do is remove that in turn notes and calendar reminders into with the client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► I can't drive apps so when you launch notes on iOS 940 s 10th 2011 it'll save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:46 ◼ ► would you like to transition your data over to iCloud drive you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5506">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► drive obviously they have more control over its more secure goes back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► privacy and security stuff we talked about and also it's probably quicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5514">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► than I lapsing so I think it's gotta be if it's not quicker than I mapped and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5518">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► they've got a real problem I map is not a quick-thinking record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► right so there could be a bigger hard drive portion then there ya and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► interesting and it's it's always hard to migrate right because I can see what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► can see why that when you launch it they asked because it's a big deal but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► thing is now and notes is the one near and dear to my heart as you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► part of the developers behind Vesper I know just how bad I am a business and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:32 ◼ ► not syncing protocol and and they've done what i think is the noble thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5552">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► allowed to you for years to pick any of your IMAP accounts to be one of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► it's an option with every I'm africa is set up to 10 to use this to write and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► then they set up a secret mailbox called note and it's actually a mailbox on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► mail account that Apple Mail is smart enough not to show you but the notes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► all I'm at messages and it's behind seemed to truly a mask as IMAP was never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5577">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► messages are meant to be read write some email systems get screwed up and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► anybody who's ever had anything to do with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► email development of API's knows IMAP server and IMAP server be never speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► quite the same dialect of IMAP so notes is trying to you know like a Babelfish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► type then and treat all these IMAP things is equivalent back ends when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► they're not so I guess the serbs to fix all that could be a bigger deal than it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► if you switch I would switch immediately and it should make anything that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► switch that way what else is it besides notes with it I heard notes as the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► one that that that's the one that they really focused on by assuming that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► other one to get this across the board as a service notes reminders contacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5634">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► and calendars will be part of this reminders use now as reminders I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► it is 100% sure I don't know even if it's not it's probably not using my club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► Dr which is right it's it's like a directional shift to positioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► drivers the service for story all this data now maybe some more developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► enhancements to that as well you know the other benefit to this is it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► good when Apple is dog food in its own iCloud stuff because it it means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► any kind of bugs or even if its own above even if it's like well when you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► this it's actually kind of slow makes it way more likely that it's going to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► higher priority to be addressed because quite frankly Apple cares more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► their own stuff that I do everybody else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► another big thing I don't know if this interests most consumers but big changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► to Swift so you know right now is not very well known everyone here is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5695">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► term Swift's with Apple's new thing but as you probably know ILS is not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► need about their not ross with that for so long and active see because Swift is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► still in its early stages but I believe that on Monday they're going to announce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► this with this moving into stage to that its meeting a new level of stability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► where Apple's actually gonna reinstall the script programming libraries into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► iOS line so developers can write swift ups and not have to include the swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► libraries in each of their buying areas which means that the OS will make app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► downloads for new Iowa snaps about ten megabytes smaller or eight megabytes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► smaller on average and let's say you have ten you know swift out on your iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► 8 phone that's about eighty megabytes back which is great for people smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► storage sizes and then next year with iOS tanning ten-point 12 they're hoping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5753">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► to hit that 3 Plano and ship their own apps read as well that's going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► major transition next year if they think to that place if they hit that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► for anybody is not a programmer and doesn't understand just how deep Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► route with Objective C goes if they started shipping Apple first party apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:20 ◼ ► written in swift in 2016 thats startlingly fast really really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5780">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► would be I think even last year everybody was blown away by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:31 ◼ ► announcement is within the can even then though I think most people do their best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5791">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► case scenario is three or four years out yeah I guess you could change but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► I've heard the same thing about the library is being built into the OS and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► think that there's two explanations for that and I could be i think im right on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:51 ◼ ► both parts but I think one of them is that Swift was developed in secret and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5811">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► very few people knew about it before the keynote last year inside Apple and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5816">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► therefore there is no way that no matter how stable it was when it debuted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► there's no way that it was gonna make it into a number to it wasn't that stable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:12 ◼ ► it's a fast moving target they said so you know it they did not over promised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5832">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► you know they said hey some of the stuff is going to change you know we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► showing it to you now because we wanted to change based on the feedback we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► from you guys outside and so because it was changing so fast I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► it is feasible to include the libraries in the OS because if your app was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► compiled against earlier version of Swift from around September and mine was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► compiled with a newer version of Swift like the version 1.2 too I think which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► came out in February we need different libraries anyway so yeah you're exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► right though that every single swift happened today includes the swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► libraries you know in the app bundle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5876">TS</a>]
01:38:00 ◼ ► it definitely adds up over wireless I mean when you're on so yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5880">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► another thing they're so good part of the same quality stability overall level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► improvements type of things well yeah I definitely think so yeah I don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:19 ◼ ► never know I mean who knows what else going to be anything at all I know is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5899">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► last night but I wouldn't be surprised us with made the keynote again and did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► not wasn't just relegated to the afternoon state of the platforms right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► we'll see maybe they'll throw something up on the last slide though he still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► with the very small changers smaller app downloads or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► cups yeah maybe that's certainly one way to make it compelling who knows you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► and the Swiss team was very secretive last year and even though you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► the public changes have been plenty of them in the years since it's come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► who knows what other secret stuff they've been working on in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5935">TS</a>]
01:38:57 ◼ ► performance or something like that to me again and it's so hard to say cuz I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5937">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► the conference's WBC and so ostensibly the whole conferences about developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:07 ◼ ► but let's shoot the Monday keynote is really a mass market Apple Keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5947">TS</a>]
01:39:12 ◼ ► streaming it on their website the whole al-qaida music things this again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5952">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► purely completely pulled out of my ass just but it's just in terms of knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► what some of the weak spots in swift currently are I know that the bugging is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► a real weak spot it's it's not it's nothing has nothing like the apparatus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:29 ◼ ► that objective cs4 debugging so if they added awesome amazing you know leaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5969">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► ahead of Objective C developer debugging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► again this might make like the general press were there watching the keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► don't know what that means but it's gonna make the developers in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► the end of last year trying to spin the developer willing to announcements like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► when they had the whole developer portion of the key out there really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5996">TS</a>]
01:39:59 ◼ ► focused on high level stuff such is like the touch I depi media can understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/5999">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► yeah but in like the cool graphics patients with them so what else is new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► keyboard better legacy device poured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:15 ◼ ► what if you heard about that that's something that I guess you reported that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6015">TS</a>]
01:40:20 ◼ ► they're targeting a five right ok so when they traditionally created a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6020">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► iOS update they would all the features and all the devices they want to spore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► and then pick apart features that can work well in the older hardware and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► that's kind of why older iPhones cold-blooded and staff and sluggish this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► year they're targeting at least the iphone4s and iPad Mini specifically to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► instead of throwing all the features on those from my last night and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► picking it apart they're adding future is one by one on top of the OS so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► those older devices it should still be much faster than even I always say so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6056">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► far says I was line will make iPad Mini's iphone4s is on order OS's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► faster so that sounds like common sense like it just sounds like well but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► deuces no doubt if that's true that is a seriously different strategy and in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► opinion extremely welcome I mean for me personally it's irrelevant because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► an idiot and I buy a new iPhone every year as an observer of the company and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► I always try to stay out of it like when family members i knew i phone or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:42 ◼ ► computer so bad I try to be like ask somebody else because I feel like it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6102">TS</a>]
01:41:47 ◼ ► good you break it you bought it like you try to buy MacBook Air and then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6107">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► on the hook for all of the tech support going forward but I hear it you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6111">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► mean it's like i don't know I don't know what do you say to somebody who's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:58 ◼ ► you know like someone in your family whose I cannot hide my iPhone said had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6118">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► an update and I said ok and then ten minutes later and now my phone is slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► and it's like wow that sucks they're going to spend some time changing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6128">TS</a>]
01:42:13 ◼ ► narrative because even the people don't follow how closely and there is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6133">TS</a>]
01:42:17 ◼ ► narrative going around in like the mass market that I thought up the screw with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6137">TS</a>]
01:42:22 ◼ ► people don't want to update and so I think with this story WDC they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6142">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► to have to step back and really promoted as being a big quality and performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► and I think it's exactly what they're going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► yeah and I think that that's one of those things where Apple get an end it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:38 ◼ ► this that the recent you know farming in in the post Katie cotton PR all you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6158">TS</a>]
01:42:47 ◼ ► and and this sort of you know maybe they wouldn't call them open but their opener [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6167">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► surely aware that there's sort of trying to get past that which is that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6173">TS</a>]
01:43:00 ◼ ► past it was very easy to mistake their complete and utter silence for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6180">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► ambivalence whereas they might care very deeply about something but they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► not gonna say anything and you can't how can you tell from the outside and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► think that that's one this may be one of those things where they've been they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:19 ◼ ► aware of the criticism there where the problem not just the criticism but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6199">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► they're aware that it's a legitimate problem and now they're doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► about it and they were aware of this before you know it was written about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:30 ◼ ► like I know you were one of the first people to really highlight the bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6210">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► right earlier this year and I will say something and talking about that but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► know of course engineers have been pushing for a step back like this for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:43 ◼ ► while but Apple's really governed by marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6223">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► right so you know well I'm perception right while we're on that subject what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► about this whole crazy discovery d thing ya know anything about that yes I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6237">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► hear something about that the backstory but I don't remember what I was told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► something about a mistake that that wasn't the plan initially I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► to go back and look but I know that they knew this is a problem they wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► fix what have you heard will like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:25 ◼ ► well i rehashing a little bit from us we show with her name but it's what I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6265">TS</a>]
01:44:30 ◼ ► heard is that it's become a whipping boy internally and as it is a it is a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6270">TS</a>]
01:44:38 ◼ ► pieces offer at the moment now that doesn't mean it's unfixable it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6278">TS</a>]
01:44:41 ◼ ► means it shouldn't have shipped when it did it should not have replaced and DNS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6281">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► responded yet and the assumption that so many people had any outside was that ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:51 ◼ ► this clearly this piece of software discovery D is buggy but they must have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6291">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► shipped it because these continuity features must have depended on it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6296">TS</a>]
01:45:00 ◼ ► they had to endure this continuity features were a tentpole so they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6300">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► ship discovery do when they did ready or not and then it turns out that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► these you know the third party people that sort of hacker crowd who figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► out hey if you put in Mtns responder from Mac OS 10 point eight or ten point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► nine and disabled discovery d everything still works and the bugs from discovery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► digo and your printer doesn't disappear after a week and your Apple TV doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:31 ◼ ► get renamed Apple TV 3 and they get like I said I would never recommend that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6331">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► i'm too old for that that's the sort of you know following advice like that sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► of stuff that's a young man's game in my opinion but it turns out with the latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► you know that's exactly what Apple is done now pretty no official format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6344">TS</a>]
01:45:49 ◼ ► and with more rigorous you know QA and stuff like that but more unless they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6349">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► just taken and which raises the question of how disc if it wasn't needed for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► continuity features how how to discover et get through in the first place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6357">TS</a>]
01:46:00 ◼ ► Syria I just remembered similar to what you said what I heard was that the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6360">TS</a>]
01:46:07 ◼ ► in charge of the Mtns responder left Apple retired was moved off the project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6367">TS</a>]
01:46:13 ◼ ► and then the airport hardware team an AirPort Utility software team somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6373">TS</a>]
01:46:18 ◼ ► inherited that whole infrastructure and they made the change because they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6378">TS</a>]
01:46:24 ◼ ► under great direction and then when stocks hit the fan about that earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6384">TS</a>]
01:46:28 ◼ ► this year then they realized they had to change it back the software right and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6388">TS</a>]
01:46:33 ◼ ► again I don't know anything about the internals of Indiana's responder in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6393">TS</a>]
01:46:36 ◼ ► discovery TV but I can imagine know that maybe Mtns maybe there's a theory that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6396">TS</a>]
01:46:41 ◼ ► emptiness responders old code been there forever maybe who knows maybe even dates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6401">TS</a>]
01:46:46 ◼ ► back to the next era and it's built up over time and is therefore sort of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6406">TS</a>]
01:46:52 ◼ ► ugly ugly but it works type thing and that discovery Dewas hey let's start all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6412">TS</a>]
01:46:56 ◼ ► over and make something beautiful and modern and elegant and you know a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6416">TS</a>]
01:47:03 ◼ ► times those things that sound like a good idea that involved let's start over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:06 ◼ ► and turn up not being good ideas I that's my guess is that what happened is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6426">TS</a>]
01:47:11 ◼ ► that somebody looked at MDS responders code and thought this is a mass it's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6431">TS</a>]
01:47:16 ◼ ► big too convoluted we can replace this was something smaller and more elegant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6436">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► and if it did work that would have been a great idea and it's a promise but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► have heard though that internally though that it became a whipping boy and took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:30 ◼ ► on internally was deemed as being largely responsible for this whole hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6450">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► yosemite is an unstable release of the OS and that instead internally it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► chalked up to its not you cemeteries problem its discovery these problems and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:48 ◼ ► that politically you know you don't really want to be the guy in turn to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6468">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► discover ed right now we'll see if they come out on stage in it it's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► because we're not exactly anyone here doing alright let me take one last break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6478">TS</a>]
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01:48:34 ◼ ► blog so you can have like you're like the equivalent of Twitter but just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6514">TS</a>]
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01:48:43 ◼ ► tweet tweet share links like comment stuff like that their latest upgrade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6523">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► they call it Viking revolves around documents and how you interact with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:52 ◼ ► they really beefed up the ability to share documents gather feedback make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6532">TS</a>]
01:48:57 ◼ ► changes they've even added the ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6537">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► speaking of read receipts for imma since it has read receipts now for documents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:05 ◼ ► that you shared so if there's a document that certain people on your team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6545">TS</a>]
01:49:09 ◼ ► absolutely have to see you have to sign off on they've got the ability now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6549">TS</a>]
01:49:12 ◼ ► can market where you'll receive a read receipt from the critical people on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6552">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► team will have to see it it's just like we've received your email message or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:21 ◼ ► not annoying cuz it's your own private team you're not getting them from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6561">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► everybody external just a little thing for your team if your company if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:29 ◼ ► company in our team has a legacy internet something that you're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6569">TS</a>]
01:49:32 ◼ ► that looks like it was built in the nineties and if you have an Internet it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6572">TS</a>]
01:49:36 ◼ ► almost certainly was something like SharePoint or something like that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6576">TS</a>]
01:49:39 ◼ ► probably was built in the nineties you should give it a try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6579">TS</a>]
01:49:46 ◼ ► go to their soft go to their website includes software dot com slash the talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6586">TS</a>]
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01:50:09 ◼ ► per person over 1000 go to it was offered a common view of a team in need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6609">TS</a>]
01:50:13 ◼ ► to coordinate all the stuff the teams to do go there checking out my thanks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6613">TS</a>]
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01:50:28 ◼ ► before we sign off for the for the episode new keyboard but I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6628">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► much about that what he thought of you I don't know anything about nothing not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:38 ◼ ► change just a thick shaft key that's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6638">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► yeah it's funny but like the DNS discovery di Stefania for them they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:54 ◼ ► fix it a little bit I find that whatever they did them when they made it go white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6654">TS</a>]
01:50:58 ◼ ► I guess he didn't he broke it again why they don't just make it blew like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6658">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► blue to me like I just don't get that because to me when when the arrow in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► blue and shift was engaged with so unambiguous that nobody I never even had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:17 ◼ ► to think about it it's like I never even in the early years of iOS and never even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6677">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► occurred to me that there was something to think about their right exactly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► and to me that's the hallmark of all good design is all good designed it took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► tons of good thinking and tons of working prototypes to result in a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:32 ◼ ► that when you use it looks like it wasn't designed at all whereas the Iowa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6692">TS</a>]
01:51:36 ◼ ► seven shift he screamed I was designed by somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6696">TS</a>]
01:51:42 ◼ ► who thought they were very clever no I haven't heard anything about new coupon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6702">TS</a>]
01:51:50 ◼ ► I haven't heard that much honestly I i dont really don't know how much I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6710">TS</a>]
01:51:55 ◼ ► everything I know comes from you mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6715">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► well I think you're pretty good we should talk to before we go let's talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6717">TS</a>]
01:52:03 ◼ ► to wrap the showmanship something else for WBC I mean literally talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6723">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► album music stuff that's what I guess that's tough leaks like a sieve because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:18 ◼ ► blabber amounts like the TV companies but the music companies are the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6738">TS</a>]
01:52:22 ◼ ► the music companies like you can practically it's like I did Eddy Cue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6742">TS</a>]
01:52:27 ◼ ► isn't even out the door and they're calling people in the media to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6747">TS</a>]
01:52:30 ◼ ► about the mean and yea or he's a Warriors game in the city right next to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6750">TS</a>]
01:52:35 ◼ ► him I still I start I cannot wait to see if he's at the Games yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6755">TS</a>]
01:52:44 ◼ ► if you don't have anything else that I just just briefly let's go back a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6764">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► months and talk about the big feature profile you wrote I guess it was last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:56 ◼ ► year Apple PR ok which was I thought you know and there was I have to admit when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6776">TS</a>]
01:53:04 ◼ ► you wrote it to you know behind the scenes in my world they're definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6784">TS</a>]
01:53:10 ◼ ► raise a lot of discussion in the consensus was that you were half ride in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6790">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► and a lot of it in ways that nobody had ever written about before which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:21 ◼ ► mainly because Apple PR doesn't want you writing about the way up opr works and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6801">TS</a>]
01:53:27 ◼ ► there is a little bit of you gotta play ball and you don't you know almost every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6807">TS</a>]
01:53:34 ◼ ► interaction I have with Apple PR is off the record not retribution whatever you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6814">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► want to call it right and so therefore writing about those machinations would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:43 ◼ ► there be therefore be a violation of what I've agreed to and therefore I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6823">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► don't write about it I'm not hiding it it's you know it is what it is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:52 ◼ ► and if I felt otherwise I wouldn't agree to in the first place and a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6832">TS</a>]
01:53:57 ◼ ► stuff that you wrote about in in your piece was actor in that way then there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6837">TS</a>]
01:54:02 ◼ ► was a quarter of it I would say that was I don't know I don't know I don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6842">TS</a>]
01:54:07 ◼ ► know what to say about it cause I just don't know could be right could be wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6847">TS</a>]
01:54:10 ◼ ► and it was another quarter of it I would say where I think you were wrong so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6850">TS</a>]
01:54:16 ◼ ► what's quarter of it I don't remember specifically as well about it I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6856">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► and obviously this is a little bit self-serving and so you know anybody had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:34 ◼ ► both you and anybody listening feel free to take it you know with your eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6874">TS</a>]
01:54:40 ◼ ► rolled over the big grain of salt because obviously it's i dont wanna come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6880">TS</a>]
01:54:43 ◼ ► across as defensive but you can obviously see how it might be but not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6883">TS</a>]
01:54:48 ◼ ► put him out but when you peace but the gist of it was that your take was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6888">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► they seed review units to known and friendly outlets that's fair to say yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6892">TS</a>]
01:55:00 ◼ ► right I don't think that's true and in fact I think I can think of some counter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6900">TS</a>]
01:55:04 ◼ ► examples where they see them to people who they I think no actually sort of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6904">TS</a>]
01:55:09 ◼ ► friendly and I would file for example the verge under that and I would say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6909">TS</a>]
01:55:14 ◼ ► virgins hostile and I know that the verge is under has the most bizarre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6914">TS</a>]
01:55:17 ◼ ► readership possible where half of their readers think that they are in the bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6917">TS</a>]
01:55:22 ◼ ► for Apple and other half think that they're the worst anti Apple agitators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6922">TS</a>]
01:55:28 ◼ ► on the entire internet and it's very bizarre to me but I would say that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6928">TS</a>]
01:55:32 ◼ ► verge for example and I think to placate the half that thinks that they're in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6932">TS</a>]
01:55:37 ◼ ► bag for Apple that the verge consistently bends over backwards to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6937">TS</a>]
01:55:42 ◼ ► great apple on a curve that doesn't apply to other devices and that if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6942">TS</a>]
01:55:46 ◼ ► do it's been it's my and the fact that they still have top tier access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6946">TS</a>]
01:55:51 ◼ ► reviewing its is proved to me that they don't really see doubt friendly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6951">TS</a>]
01:55:57 ◼ ► reviewers well I mean my response to that now I don't want to say that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6957">TS</a>]
01:56:02 ◼ ► remember my discussions with whoever I talk to you for these profiles of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6962">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► was six seven eight nine months ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6967">TS</a>]
01:56:10 ◼ ► but if I remember correctly Apple stopped giving the virtue of you if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6970">TS</a>]
01:56:14 ◼ ► did there was the one that is true and it was so I don't think the counter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6974">TS</a>]
01:56:20 ◼ ► examples completely valid just a bit it's a good point exxon point I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6980">TS</a>]
01:56:25 ◼ ► when it was percent sure to Polski was still there and if I believe I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6985">TS</a>]
01:56:32 ◼ ► was two years ago he should about it last week and I should ever forgot about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6992">TS</a>]
01:56:36 ◼ ► it I think it was to you two years ago that they didn't get early access to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/6996">TS</a>]
01:56:43 ◼ ► phone and then they but they did get day before access and so she does different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7003">TS</a>]
01:56:52 ◼ ► the right after the keynote or couple weeks and dance which I believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7012">TS</a>]
01:56:56 ◼ ► you've been traditionally a part of the last few years then there's the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7016">TS</a>]
01:57:00 ◼ ► before or couple days before and then there's the review units given it after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7020">TS</a>]
01:57:07 ◼ ► the products available that's correct I think that there's three tiers one end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7027">TS</a>]
01:57:12 ◼ ► and to my knowledge there's nobody nobody on the nobody is on a pre keynote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7032">TS</a>]
01:57:20 ◼ ► here even mossberg who I would think would if anybody would be a Mossberg and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7040">TS</a>]
01:57:26 ◼ ► I think right hope your post New York Times is I think I still get he saw in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7046">TS</a>]
01:57:33 ◼ ► 2001 but I i think everybody would agree that since he's gone to Yahoo's lost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7053">TS</a>]
01:57:37 ◼ ► bit of relevancy yeah i dont wanna speak negatively about it right it's all caddy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7057">TS</a>]
01:57:45 ◼ ► and inside baseball but you know just being trying to be as honest as again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7065">TS</a>]
01:57:50 ◼ ► think must be absolutely it's not like it used to be right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7070">TS</a>]
01:57:53 ◼ ► it used to be that mossberg pogue bag and Steven Levy while he was still in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7073">TS</a>]
01:57:59 ◼ ► newsweek that there there the four who got the iPhone and nobody else got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7079">TS</a>]
01:58:03 ◼ ► iPhone before the iPhone came out that there were only 4 reviewers who mattered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7083">TS</a>]
01:58:08 ◼ ► and the world has changed greatly since then and Apple PR's perspective on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7088">TS</a>]
01:58:13 ◼ ► stuff has changed greatly since then but as of right now I think that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7093">TS</a>]
01:58:16 ◼ ► three tiers host keynote day or two before which i think is largely the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7096">TS</a>]
01:58:25 ◼ ► reason it's like a day or two is that to my knowledge and again I could be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7105">TS</a>]
01:58:32 ◼ ► could be wrong about certain people but I have never heard of an exception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7112">TS</a>]
01:58:36 ◼ ► nobody ever gets a review unit of serious hardware something that is worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7116">TS</a>]
01:58:41 ◼ ► being in Aquino there are minor things that they might ship 22 reviewers but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7121">TS</a>]
01:58:46 ◼ ► its flagship new product the only way you can get a review is to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7126">TS</a>]
01:58:50 ◼ ► product briefing without sure where they give you know to give it to you by hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7130">TS</a>]
01:58:55 ◼ ► and tell you in a pretty no 121 122 you know whatever meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7135">TS</a>]
01:59:01 ◼ ► you know what they think about it and what their main point are about it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7141">TS</a>]
01:59:06 ◼ ► therefore with an expanded like I get the impression that I don't know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7146">TS</a>]
01:59:11 ◼ ► everybody got outta watches but I got the impression that like the second tier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7151">TS</a>]
01:59:15 ◼ ► for the Apple watchers spread over two or three days because I think they gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7155">TS</a>]
01:59:18 ◼ ► them to so many people that there was no way that they could do it all like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7158">TS</a>]
01:59:23 ◼ ► days before the watch came out April 22nd some of the people got April 23rd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7163">TS</a>]
01:59:27 ◼ ► because there just aren't isn't that way to meet that many people with a briefing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7167">TS</a>]
01:59:31 ◼ ► when did you get yours we feel for ya like a week and a half before that early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7171">TS</a>]
01:59:38 ◼ ► we can have its normal for most products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7178">TS</a>]
01:59:43 ◼ ► a lot of the time you could there's no I don't even have to be secret I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7183">TS</a>]
01:59:49 ◼ ► think of the NDA signed I can't say with most products there's a keynote right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7189">TS</a>]
01:59:57 ◼ ► for example when the phones come out there is a keno you get your review unit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7197">TS</a>]
02:00:04 ◼ ► after the keynote in a product briefing and Fargo is always like Wednesday I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7204">TS</a>]
02:00:12 ◼ ► actually miss that but their products are sold well I try to I did I do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7212">TS</a>]
02:00:20 ◼ ► mark is usually late Wednesday lakes like 48 hours before they go on sale on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7220">TS</a>]
02:00:26 ◼ ► Friday or pre-order one start shipping so like a Monday keynote or Tuesday keno [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7226">TS</a>]
02:00:33 ◼ ► with a Wednesday embargo the next day usually it's usually there like eight or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7233">TS</a>]
02:00:38 ◼ ► yeah and I think that some I don't have to look at a calendar but I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7238">TS</a>]
02:00:42 ◼ ► review units were eight or nine days which felt that way to show it felt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7242">TS</a>]
02:00:49 ◼ ► me like to watch for two days it was like I have my watch here it took time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7249">TS</a>]
02:00:54 ◼ ► to get used to it too wanna wear it to want to use it you know so I said before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7254">TS</a>]
02:00:59 ◼ ► and I'll say it again artistry hardest review i've ever it and I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7259">TS</a>]
02:01:02 ◼ ► stands up and I'm pretty proud of what I wrote but it's that the pieces I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7262">TS</a>]
02:01:06 ◼ ► later in the month I think our way more relevant and light years from now when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7266">TS</a>]
02:01:11 ◼ ► look back at what I thought it original Apple watch its did further pieces I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7271">TS</a>]
02:01:15 ◼ ► wrote weeks later I think I learned more telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7275">TS</a>]
02:01:19 ◼ ► gobbled it themselves a disservice waiting until that short for the launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7279">TS</a>]
02:01:24 ◼ ► to give it to the viewers but maybe it has to do with the software not being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7284">TS</a>]
02:01:28 ◼ ► ready I really am not sure about that and I'm wonder how much they went back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7288">TS</a>]
02:01:32 ◼ ► and forth on that and I think that they knew I i in fact just talk talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7292">TS</a>]
02:01:37 ◼ ► people that Apple I know that they knew that it takes time to really get you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7297">TS</a>]
02:01:44 ◼ ► know a call made it to your life like it really doesn't kick in until you stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7304">TS</a>]
02:01:50 ◼ ► thinking about it and I know that sounds stupid but it's not everybody I know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7310">TS</a>]
02:01:55 ◼ ► has one agrees that it's when you stop thinking about it that it really starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7315">TS</a>]
02:02:00 ◼ ► hitting you and your like you know what I am walking a lot more you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7320">TS</a>]
02:02:05 ◼ ► stuff like that anyway though I in my experience and who knows it but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7325">TS</a>]
02:02:15 ◼ ► think that they see doubt known to be friendly reviewers I think that they'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7335">TS</a>]
02:02:21 ◼ ► look for an again this is going to sound self-serving for me but I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7341">TS</a>]
02:02:24 ◼ ► look in general for reviewers who are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7344">TS</a>]
02:02:28 ◼ ► have a big problem and that they're going to rate you know to get into tier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7348">TS</a>]
02:02:33 ◼ ► one you have to have a certain amount of influence and so I'm weird because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7353">TS</a>]
02:02:38 ◼ ► don't have a large audience but I think that they consider the possible audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7358">TS</a>]
02:02:42 ◼ ► to be influential again this sounds terribly self-serving I'm blushing as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7362">TS</a>]
02:02:50 ◼ ► sale but I like talking about myself but I don't think they look for a positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7370">TS</a>]
02:02:55 ◼ ► review I think they look generally for people who are going to get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7375">TS</a>]
02:02:58 ◼ ► who are getting what it is that they're going after and i know i never get notes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7378">TS</a>]
02:03:05 ◼ ► after I wrote my reviews never not a word from them about anything in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7385">TS</a>]
02:03:10 ◼ ► honesty I really think that they just want reviewers to be fair that's the to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7390">TS</a>]
02:03:16 ◼ ► me the main thing that thereafter and the thing that makes this all so hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7396">TS</a>]
02:03:22 ◼ ► judge is that for the last decade but at least send a time that I've been doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7402">TS</a>]
02:03:30 ◼ ► it it's been an unbelievable string of very good products and I've done this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7410">TS</a>]
02:03:37 ◼ ► occasion have looked back at old reviews of things like Mike what I wrote about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7417">TS</a>]
02:03:41 ◼ ► you know like the Verizon iPhone iphone4s and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7421">TS</a>]
02:03:49 ◼ ► did what I write hold up there was a excited because it was new and that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7429">TS</a>]
02:03:53 ◼ ► so far I have not found one where I felt like I missed the mark and even looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7433">TS</a>]
02:03:58 ◼ ► at people who've been doing it longer than I have like and rereading like say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7438">TS</a>]
02:04:01 ◼ ► David Pogue's regional review the iPhone in 2007 and stuff like that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7441">TS</a>]
02:04:07 ◼ ► think that these reviews were positive just for the sake of being positive I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7447">TS</a>]
02:04:10 ◼ ► think almost all of them were spot on and in fact some of them especially like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7450">TS</a>]
02:04:15 ◼ ► the Mossberg ones I think sometimes bend over backwards to emphasize things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7455">TS</a>]
02:04:20 ◼ ► just weren't that big a deal like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7460">TS</a>]
02:04:22 ◼ ► you know devoting time in a 2007 review the iPhone to talk about how it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7462">TS</a>]
02:04:27 ◼ ► have a hardware keyboard like a blackberry which actually look bad it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7467">TS</a>]
02:04:31 ◼ ► was like wow here's the cons you know a blackberry as a hardware keyboard you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7471">TS</a>]
02:04:34 ◼ ► can type faster on it and what time the map stuff a lot of people miss the maps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7474">TS</a>]
02:04:40 ◼ ► problems and their iPhone 5 reviews I don't remember yours in particular I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7480">TS</a>]
02:04:44 ◼ ► don't remember that either as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7484">TS</a>]
02:04:47 ◼ ► Siri was not a great product launch but people seem to have missed some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7487">TS</a>]
02:04:53 ◼ ► lack of functionality or accuracy there the iPhone 4 antenna I mean I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7493">TS</a>]
02:04:58 ◼ ► that's that's a subject we can spend another two hours on but i Series a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7498">TS</a>]
02:05:05 ◼ ► example I remember with maps in particular I think I remember thinking I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7505">TS</a>]
02:05:10 ◼ ► missed the boat on that because I don't think I said anything one way or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7510">TS</a>]
02:05:12 ◼ ► other but part of it was that in the course of my testing I didn't go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7512">TS</a>]
02:05:16 ◼ ► anywhere and home in philadelphia and their maps in Philadelphia as far as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7516">TS</a>]
02:05:21 ◼ ► did test them are pretty good and it really seemed like the bigger problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7521">TS</a>]
02:05:25 ◼ ► with the initial 1.0 maps weren't so much in major metropolitan areas but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7525">TS</a>]
02:05:30 ◼ ► just about everywhere else and did you know driving turn-by-turn directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7530">TS</a>]
02:05:35 ◼ ► you know I don't drive us today so if you know but again that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7535">TS</a>]
02:05:39 ◼ ► necessarily mean some blame I mean it's it's it was a I would rather my goal is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7539">TS</a>]
02:05:46 ◼ ► always to be bright and I want my reviews to my reviews like when people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7546">TS</a>]
02:05:51 ◼ ► look back at them in 10 years to be like what he really nailed it and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7551">TS</a>]
02:05:54 ◼ ► it's hard to say for the so what was that I was sex yes i phone 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7554">TS</a>]
02:06:01 ◼ ► it's hard to say that a review of iPhone iOS 6 and iPhone 5 that if it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7561">TS</a>]
02:06:08 ◼ ► mention maps and the problems that had that it's accurate in the long term but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7568">TS</a>]
02:06:12 ◼ ► I don't think people avoided it trying to curry favor with Apple PRI I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7572">TS</a>]
02:06:16 ◼ ► know I can't say that for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7576">TS</a>]
02:06:18 ◼ ► but I really don't I i've never felt pressure like that at all from from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7578">TS</a>]
02:06:23 ◼ ► Apple I really don't think so but the tell is going to be when the day comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7583">TS</a>]
02:06:30 ◼ ► that Apple releases a product that is not that good that's what the iPhone 5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7590">TS</a>]
02:06:36 ◼ ► the maps things pretty good indicator there but yeah but the iPhone 5 itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7596">TS</a>]
02:06:41 ◼ ► was actually a pretty it was a great device yeah but I mean maps was part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7601">TS</a>]
02:06:46 ◼ ► that Siri Siri was the iPhone four US made future really we'll see we'll see I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7606">TS</a>]
02:06:56 ◼ ► don't know I just think that I just so you know again it was an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7616">TS</a>]
02:07:00 ◼ ► piece and I will absolutely positively put this one in the shuttle making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7620">TS</a>]
02:07:04 ◼ ► note to myself right now because anybody who hasn't read it you certainly can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7624">TS</a>]
02:07:08 ◼ ► back and nobody has ever written anything like this before or since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7628">TS</a>]
02:07:11 ◼ ► because I kind of get the sense that you've got a fucking I don't care what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7631">TS</a>]
02:07:16 ◼ ► they think attitude towards them like I don't think that you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7636">TS</a>]
02:07:19 ◼ ► antagonize anybody with this article i no not at all this was about more so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7639">TS</a>]
02:07:24 ◼ ► I never had access like I mean you admit to having off the record conversations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7644">TS</a>]
02:07:30 ◼ ► with them I mean I've never had all sorts of access this started as sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7650">TS</a>]
02:07:35 ◼ ► a research project understand how they operate and why they operate this way in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7655">TS</a>]
02:07:41 ◼ ► order so I could better understand my work my future world would have done in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7661">TS</a>]
02:07:45 ◼ ► the past but in terms of that attitude it doesn't really stemmed from an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7665">TS</a>]
02:07:49 ◼ ► attitude stems from not having anything to lose have no relationship to lose I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7669">TS</a>]
02:07:54 ◼ ► feel that my work is so much better off being independent me doing what I want I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7674">TS</a>]
02:08:01 ◼ ► get to spread information not having to fear that Apple's maybe not gonna give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7681">TS</a>]
02:08:06 ◼ ► me a review you never talk to me if I say something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7686">TS</a>]
02:08:09 ◼ ► position something or break something you know the day that I you know work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7689">TS</a>]
02:08:13 ◼ ► with a company on a story and get out there from their angles today and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7693">TS</a>]
02:08:18 ◼ ► don't want to do this anymore because I'm very happy with the way that I do my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7698">TS</a>]
02:08:23 ◼ ► and how I do it my way it's not a screw it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7703">TS</a>]
02:08:26 ◼ ► type of thing that's published this it's more about that's just my mindset how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7706">TS</a>]
02:08:30 ◼ ► know I like working independently yeah I had my perspective on it is so weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7710">TS</a>]
02:08:36 ◼ ► because I never really expected that I would be in this position because when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7716">TS</a>]
02:08:40 ◼ ► started doing fireball it was you know 2002 and it was you know for before that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7720">TS</a>]
02:08:48 ◼ ► stuff was even that big of a deal right like iPods came out a little miniature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7728">TS</a>]
02:08:53 ◼ ► events in town hall and stuff like that and an iPhone came out and it was so big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7733">TS</a>]
02:08:59 ◼ ► and such a huge deal but they were you know if you want to four people and I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7739">TS</a>]
02:09:07 ◼ ► built this whole thing up and turned it into you know something that I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7747">TS</a>]
02:09:11 ◼ ► call it a career and it was successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7751">TS</a>]
02:09:13 ◼ ► all without any other hand in all the ways that it was successful before I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7753">TS</a>]
02:09:18 ◼ ► any kind of you know access to Apple PR it's still the same way so like if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7758">TS</a>]
02:09:26 ◼ ► stop get I've said this you know you know like and I have talked about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7766">TS</a>]
02:09:31 ◼ ► like I never have any assumption that I'm getting any future and I know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7771">TS</a>]
02:09:35 ◼ ► sounds like I'm now it sounds like I'm being falsely humble but I honestly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7775">TS</a>]
02:09:41 ◼ ► I don't know if I had to bet I guess get the iPhone success come September but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7781">TS</a>]
02:09:48 ◼ ► i dont if the call doesn't come and then you know there's no there's no briefing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7788">TS</a>]
02:09:55 ◼ ► be like well I don't know what must I don't know I don't know what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7795">TS</a>]
02:09:58 ◼ ► there but must have had mark on my podcast too many times I don't maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7798">TS</a>]
02:10:02 ◼ ► maybe it's cuz I had you in my pocket I don't know but it's it's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7802">TS</a>]
02:10:06 ◼ ► hurt it's not going to hurt my revenue at all like I don't have any kind of sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7806">TS</a>]
02:10:11 ◼ ► you know I do get a lot of hits on the reviews when they come out the decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7811">TS</a>]
02:10:15 ◼ ► don't go by page page count it's you know by by design like i dont wanna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7815">TS</a>]
02:10:22 ◼ ► articles like that I'm have articles right yet I make more money if they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7822">TS</a>]
02:10:28 ◼ ► it just for one thing so if it dries up it dries up you know or if you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7828">TS</a>]
02:10:33 ◼ ► if somebody leaves somebody who's a big fan of me and Apple PR is the reason I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7833">TS</a>]
02:10:37 ◼ ► getting these things and then they quit and take a job somewhere else and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7837">TS</a>]
02:10:40 ◼ ► start getting on so be it clearly wasn't kidding just getting I guess not I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7840">TS</a>]
02:10:49 ◼ ► blown away that she even knew I was but I have no idea what she was like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7849">TS</a>]
02:10:54 ◼ ► private though I did you know I clearly those strategically she had a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7854">TS</a>]
02:10:57 ◼ ► vision for Apple PR and that she wanted to bring it up that you wrote about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7857">TS</a>]
02:11:01 ◼ ► I kind of feel like your piece services as well defended it is the wrong word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7861">TS</a>]
02:11:07 ◼ ► because I do think that there are gaps and I don't see how you could fill them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7867">TS</a>]
02:11:11 ◼ ► in this is the thing I don't mean this is like a you could have done a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7871">TS</a>]
02:11:13 ◼ ► job almost feel like it's remarkable how much you got colored in but I kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7873">TS</a>]
02:11:21 ◼ ► feel like it was kind of amazing timing coming at the end of the cake cutting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7881">TS</a>]
02:11:27 ◼ ► area you know because clearly strategically Apple PR as has taken a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7887">TS</a>]
02:11:31 ◼ ► strategic turns into that right and in the story i know i talked about like who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7891">TS</a>]
02:11:35 ◼ ► would replace Katie cotton and I said I would be Steve Dowling and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7895">TS</a>]
02:11:39 ◼ ► indications are pointing to him instead of Karras who was the time and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7899">TS</a>]
02:11:44 ◼ ► I got a lot of you know criticism privately saying how could you see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7904">TS</a>]
02:11:48 ◼ ► there's no way that's true and all that but you know look at the PR BIOS page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7908">TS</a>]
02:11:52 ◼ ► now so my my impression and I again I it's funny because I have like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7912">TS</a>]
02:11:58 ◼ ► official relationship with Apple PR that you don't have but like my unofficial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7918">TS</a>]
02:12:02 ◼ ► you know back channel input into the way up appeal are works is way cloudier than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7922">TS</a>]
02:12:10 ◼ ► yours for sure there are names that you had that I never heard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7930">TS</a>]
02:12:14 ◼ ► and stuff that asking around you know people yeah it's pretty accurate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7934">TS</a>]
02:12:19 ◼ ► I'd never heard of but my sense from the outside was it was I'm almost surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7939">TS</a>]
02:12:28 ◼ ► they didn't name downing sooner and AM I guess I could be wrong I could be so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7948">TS</a>]
02:12:33 ◼ ► totally wrong here that it's there's people that Apple who is just laughing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7953">TS</a>]
02:12:38 ◼ ► if they're listening to this but my sense was that the delay in naming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7958">TS</a>]
02:12:41 ◼ ► Dowling was simply out of respect to case that her departure was not it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7961">TS</a>]
02:12:48 ◼ ► you know I think she had been there a long time I think she was ready for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7968">TS</a>]
02:12:51 ◼ ► break and I think Tim Cook was looking for a new direction but it wasn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7971">TS</a>]
02:12:55 ◼ ► bad blood wasn't like she was pushed out the door like forestall and therefore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7975">TS</a>]
02:13:00 ◼ ► out of respect they didn't name a successor right away I know I honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7980">TS</a>]
02:13:05 ◼ ► ok I could be wrong no no I don't think that it was as bad blood as the four cyl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7985">TS</a>]
02:13:10 ◼ ► situation because you know they talked massive crap about him after the after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7990">TS</a>]
02:13:16 ◼ ► his departure in CNN that with cotton but I don't think it was amicable any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/7996">TS</a>]
02:13:20 ◼ ► sense of the word alright alright alright I yeah I think we're in good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8000">TS</a>]
02:13:25 ◼ ► agreement right in the middle but yeah I think the reason it him dowling about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8005">TS</a>]
02:13:31 ◼ ► respectful sure he was respectful that's very fair to say yes we have still got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8011">TS</a>]
02:13:36 ◼ ► like I drove severance is the right word but like adviser stands for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8016">TS</a>]
02:13:42 ◼ ► stock options but I think that they wanted to find a cool big-name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8022">TS</a>]
02:13:49 ◼ ► replacement for Katie caught like they can make a splash with a company in New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8029">TS</a>]
02:13:54 ◼ ► friendlier direction they were those rumors of Jay Carney the White House guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8034">TS</a>]
02:13:57 ◼ ► but I they didn't find anyone better so I think they waited six months nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8037">TS</a>]
02:14:03 ◼ ► months of dating find anyone that they would think would be better so they came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8043">TS</a>]
02:14:07 ◼ ► down and they're gonna go through him my only thing about that and I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8047">TS</a>]
02:14:12 ◼ ► about that but then again I don't know but the only thing about that I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8052">TS</a>]
02:14:17 ◼ ► think of it I can't think of another big splashy name other than Jay Carney who I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8057">TS</a>]
02:14:22 ◼ ► don't know maybe some startup or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8062">TS</a>]
02:14:25 ◼ ► like that weird the weird world of PR in general is PR people stay under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8065">TS</a>]
02:14:32 ◼ ► radar yeah you know and that there aren't you know they may be like inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8072">TS</a>]
02:14:37 ◼ ► baseball there's big names and if you work in PR you be like wow they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8077">TS</a>]
02:14:40 ◼ ► so-and-so but from the outside Jay Carney who is though you know two white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8080">TS</a>]
02:14:45 ◼ ► House Press Secretary is the only big name that I even saw tossed about as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8085">TS</a>]
02:14:52 ◼ ► maybe and that certainly would have been a big get but other than him I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8092">TS</a>]
02:14:56 ◼ ► think of anybody else who would have you been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8096">TS</a>]
02:14:58 ◼ ► yeah I don't know but they I guess it would be fair to say it like they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8098">TS</a>]
02:15:01 ◼ ► their due diligence try to find someone new from out of the company it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8101">TS</a>]
02:15:06 ◼ ► a great move to just promote Steve Dowling without looking elsewhere first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8106">TS</a>]
02:15:10 ◼ ► they need to be tactical about these types of things especially exiting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8110">TS</a>]
02:15:14 ◼ ► regime that existed for 15 years yeah I think the other thing too that you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8114">TS</a>]
02:15:20 ◼ ► just cannot be emphasized enough was how much that Katie cotton and Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8120">TS</a>]
02:15:27 ◼ ► were like and like this symbiotic relationship that she was as much Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8127">TS</a>]
02:15:34 ◼ ► Jobs is press representative is she was apples and that it that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8134">TS</a>]
02:15:39 ◼ ► necessarily a bad thing because they were you know Steve Jobs and Apple were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8139">TS</a>]
02:15:43 ◼ ► so intertwined in the public eye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8143">TS</a>]
02:15:45 ◼ ► yeah she even did all the press stuff for a wind shift jobs sold Pixar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8145">TS</a>]
02:15:52 ◼ ► Disney that was an apple just right and according to the becoming Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8152">TS</a>]
02:16:00 ◼ ► book she was one of only four Apple people who were at his private funeral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8160">TS</a>]
02:16:08 ◼ ► was the fourth one night johnnie johnnie course ya know it and no shelter no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8168">TS</a>]
02:16:17 ◼ ► mean there's all sorts of people who who you know clearly worked with him a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8177">TS</a>]
02:16:20 ◼ ► time but it was a very very short bus but I overlooked johnnie because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8180">TS</a>]
02:16:23 ◼ ► so obvious right right right I saw the dog the book broke that as great as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8183">TS</a>]
02:16:28 ◼ ► book was i read your post on that was great but that was I thought that was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8188">TS</a>]
02:16:33 ◼ ► thought that was news because his family in other private family thing was so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8193">TS</a>]
02:16:38 ◼ ► private no I remember reading in the journal back when I believe I could but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8198">TS</a>]
02:16:47 ◼ ► I did and I are still on the subject of Katie when I interviewed Brent slander [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8207">TS</a>]
02:16:59 ◼ ► and trusted senior Delhi the authors of becoming Steve Jobs when I did the event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8219">TS</a>]
02:17:05 ◼ ► at the Apple store in New York couple months ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8225">TS</a>]
02:17:10 ◼ ► handle you know interview with them in front of the crowd I asked him cuz they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8230">TS</a>]
02:17:17 ◼ ► did yet I forget who the list of people who were associated with Apple who they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8237">TS</a>]
02:17:21 ◼ ► got interviews with but it's you know there's Tim Cook you know it's not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8241">TS</a>]
02:17:29 ◼ ► anymore but clearly you know had permission from Apple to talk to Katie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8249">TS</a>]
02:17:34 ◼ ► and so they had like a whole sit-down interview with Katie cotton and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8254">TS</a>]
02:17:39 ◼ ► one sentence from her new book and then I asked about it and they both laughed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8259">TS</a>]
02:17:45 ◼ ► and and the gist did you know you could take a cut now available but it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8265">TS</a>]
02:17:52 ◼ ► change her take on the press like she gave them nothing that's funny and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8272">TS</a>]
02:17:57 ◼ ► fun it's like one sends and it was like totally innocuous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8277">TS</a>]
02:18:02 ◼ ► well anyway we've been going on long enough this has been great I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8282">TS</a>]
02:18:06 ◼ ► everybody is now well prepared for the BBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8286">TS</a>]
02:18:10 ◼ ► Mark Harmon I thank you I will link to the best thing I can link to is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8290">TS</a>]
02:18:15 ◼ ► free WWDC wrap-up coasts can you keep updating it right now we posted a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8295">TS</a>]
02:18:21 ◼ ► one this morning that one post has everything alright I will link to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8301">TS</a>]
02:18:26 ◼ ► in the show nodes and then if anything breaks over the weekend you'll update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8306">TS</a>]
02:18:31 ◼ ► alright that's great and people can read you regularly sure they already do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8311">TS</a>]
02:18:36 ◼ ► can either redo the two places you can find market nine to five mac.com or at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8316">TS</a>]
02:18:45 ◼ ► I think there'd Avenue ratings think it took me a minute believe you came out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8325">TS</a>]
02:18:51 ◼ ► top was overstating it now that's right and they have a section about you in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8331">TS</a>]
02:18:57 ◼ ► Q&A did you see ya I honest to god I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8337">TS</a>]
02:19:01 ◼ ► I don't know that we're pretty but where does it say this on that new report page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8341">TS</a>]
02:19:07 ◼ ► there's a question they did like a FAQ and simple question is why I love John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8347">TS</a>]
02:19:13 ◼ ► Gruber why is he not on the top the list and only have like the whole answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8353">TS</a>]
02:19:16 ◼ ► about how you stick to analysis of other news stories that doesn't really fit in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8356">TS</a>]
02:19:21 ◼ ► with technique and technical position I honest to god did not know that I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8361">TS</a>]
02:19:27 ◼ ► put the son of god damn sure there's a fag you gotta send me the link I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8367">TS</a>]
02:19:32 ◼ ► find it about these less is it the blog post about it you know it's the blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8372">TS</a>]
02:19:44 ◼ ► ship there it is yeah I did not see that is the answer says I love John Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8384">TS</a>]
02:19:52 ◼ ► he's great why is an Iranian leader ship later part of the reason top 150 is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8392">TS</a>]
02:19:57 ◼ ► the top hundred and we only show the top $100 post that make tech meme do tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8397">TS</a>]
02:20:02 ◼ ► be heavily cited in the tech world they don't appear there too often just twice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8402">TS</a>]
02:20:06 ◼ ► in the last 90 days in part because he mostly post links with short commentary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8406">TS</a>]
02:20:10 ◼ ► which doesn't work well for tech me that's exactly what i've i've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzoEOeA/8410">TS</a>]
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