0:00:00so this is the show you know alright David's parts was is this your first
0:00:07time on the talk show I know it's kind of exciting it's very exciting that this
0:00:12is the thing is the problem I want to have you on for a long time and the
0:00:14reason I've put it off as I feel like it's going to take the entire episode
0:00:18just to tell people everything you too busy guy John what you are prolific it's
0:00:25you and Rene Ritchie and Jason Snell make me sick I feel like if I i feel
0:00:30like i get to a Friday and I feel like you know a record a podcast I was pretty
0:00:34good episode and I had one good article on during fire by my bed and then I look
0:00:38at like would like some of you guys do anything else on like seventeen podcasts
0:00:42he produces like sixteen of them you put out a book and the screencast and do a
0:00:51podcast and keep it and Renee of course writes about seven or eight thousand
0:00:55words week that they think it was the longest monk at one point who said it's
0:01:02not the notes you play it's the notes you don't play right now so so you're
0:01:06like me you know if the guy anyway the piks you are referring to his longtime
0:01:11show Mac power users which you cause I believe from the outset with the
0:01:17wonderful Katie for it yet and that is just moved as a tennis motivated me
0:01:24because I you know somebody moves to show that god damn feed redirection it
0:01:29never works right it's it's terrifying it is terrifying it's terrifying movie
0:01:34show because your your listeners are subscribed to your feed best thing in
0:01:37the world is when someone subscribe to podcast because there may be a little
0:01:41bit of a commitment and then when you do your next episode that you're getting
0:01:45pushed to them when they open their podcast app of choice or maybe their
0:01:49podcast app pulls it down automatically be there it is and that's great and yeah
0:01:53I know there's people who don't listen who don't subscribe to just wait and see
0:01:56if it sounds like a good episode and then they just hit play and that's great
0:01:59too love listeners but subscribers are the best because subscribers give you
0:02:03consistency from week to week
0:02:05and then when you move networks or you just even if you don't move networks if
0:02:09you just do something behind seed change from you know WordPress to Squarespace
0:02:15or you know something like that you have to change the feed something always goes
0:02:19wrong and so yeah it was always my want to help people when they do stuff like
0:02:23that get people to you know a double check if you are subscribed to Mac power
0:02:27users go to the new site now the new site is there on the relay yeah we were
0:02:34actually shutting down we we've had mac paris's dot com beginning which is kind
0:02:38of funny thats back in like 2008 2009 we're starting the show we we're trying
0:02:43to pick name of the show and you just search websites are used as available
0:02:47that's a good name so we're shooting down the dot-com were gonna forward it
0:02:51over to everything and related got a nice system over there so we can be
0:02:54great where you want to go and listen to the show we will talk about it a bit
0:02:57more too but it's real a dot FM / and P or time at Perry's rooftop Comedy so
0:03:05really it's the first good yeah but I think I don't know how these guys got by
0:03:13without me quite frankly I don't understand either I think it given by
0:03:18the British accent thing my hand now it makes it sound you know he's not really
0:03:23British you know he was born in New Jersey that's what I heard too and he
0:03:27just like he likes to pronounce page funny you know and and people like that
0:03:31so there in yeah and you know his name is spelled with a lie he made that up to
0:03:36its also some kind of big iPhone cult and restrain their realize did you when
0:03:45did he say to you in Katy started my power users 2009 so that's interesting
0:03:50that's interesting in 2009 you still chose a name that starts with Mac yeah
0:03:56well that was kind of the idea we it's kind of a cares about the stuff but like
0:04:03every I like to tell us we are thinking about doing a podcast together and and
0:04:08everybody we r macworld him you know everything that can be said about a
0:04:12podcast has been said
0:04:13and they're kind of right you know the great quickly does the news and such as
0:04:17such and unlike you know I don't want to do something everybody else does so we
0:04:20decided let's just not do it and we talked for like 45 months about what we
0:04:26do and ultimately I said I want to make a show that talks about one thing the
0:04:29show doesn't have anything to do with news just talked about how to get better
0:04:33at email how to get better this or that and in cases like it's a great idea it's
0:04:38good for like 10 shows it will be done I said well then we'll make ten really
0:04:41good shows his 2009 so it's worked out and you guys have just hit at least and
0:04:48and for your audience and probably my audience to its it it counts as a round
0:04:52number you just finished episode 255
0:04:56so now you're just about to enter your your second bite into Dubai teenagers
0:05:02now I mean we're not messing around and you know what they're splitting if we
0:05:06cut stuff backed up we have so much we'll talk about it and I love it was
0:05:11getting ready for this cause you know I'm also a lawyer which is kinda nuts
0:05:15and like the whole morning doing lawyer stuff and just getting ready for this
0:05:17call in like shutting down Microsoft Word and all the other stuff that it on
0:05:21that part of my life I'm at felt great I love the word power user ID I think that
0:05:28it like went full circle where in the early years of the PC revolution when
0:05:34PCs were just grow and grow and grow and I mean let's just say he's a beast
0:05:39through the mid to late nineties power user was used with no reservation in in
0:05:46a Mac user PC world you know any of those magazines would talk about you
0:05:51know tips for power users and yeah I think everybody hits nebulous lead to
0:05:56find because it has to be there is no technical definition between you know as
0:06:01somewhat informed user and a power user but I think everybody it fits a general
0:06:08loose description of somebody who's who's truly an enthusiast really does
0:06:12want to dig into some of the details but probably falls short of being like a
0:06:17developer or someone who can write their own Co
0:06:19code or or at least at you know if they do write code it's more like Automator
0:06:23and Apple script and stuff like that it's it's absolutely aspirational for
0:06:29our show and you know that you know the ideal nerd in my head is John Siracusa
0:06:35and and the show's not for John Siracusa
0:06:38we're not going to talk about program program talk and a lot of our listeners
0:06:42it's kind of weird because our show has a big audience but it's not the usual
0:06:47geeks listening to podcasts doctors business people you know single moms
0:06:54people who just want to get better at this stuff so it's an interesting place
0:06:59we occupy like somebody was telling me I forget who had a dentist dentist some of
0:07:08my friends has a dentist but he's not from Max and so he's always kept his
0:07:12practices you know he does all the idea staffers practice and has a couple you
0:07:17know it's always been a Mac guy you know writes his own FileMaker stuff you know
0:07:21to keep the practice and stuff like that but he's a dentist that's a full time
0:07:25thing you know but he has made you know this little little system of stuff that
0:07:30works exactly the way he needed for his practice that's a power user there's a
0:07:35good chance he listened to our show we have a lot of dentists that thing we
0:07:39knew we had its fine we have all walks of life but it's fun and with the Mac
0:07:43there's so much you can do i mean what little automation tools you don't need
0:07:47to learn to program if you get good at hazel or no keyboard maestro or even
0:07:52just text expander you can like make so much magic happens we talk about that
0:07:57stuff all the time it's fun I do think and I do think though and this is one of
0:08:00the things i wanna talk about the same name the show Mac power users and I do
0:08:03think I think that even though the naming Apple related websites Mac
0:08:09whatever is probably be always was a bad idea in hindsight because something new
0:08:15is going to come back it would have it would have worked out poorly two decades
0:08:20ago if the Newton and really caught on but you know you harder to get
0:08:26legal permission to use Apple the Mac even though Apple often neglected to Mac
0:08:30whatever names for some years and in a kind of backed off that by with with the
0:08:35target audience of your in Katy show I feel like it really does work as I think
0:08:39it's harder to be the nature of Iowa and the restrictions of iOS make it harder
0:08:44to be a power user on iOS and that's not that doesn't mean to say that you can't
0:08:48be a mean there is text expander for iOS and then you can know about you know AB
0:08:53psych Launch Center pro and more clothes yet workflow is another good example
0:08:59drafts is probably like the power user text note type perhaps but to me it's
0:09:11different I don't know why I do find it interesting because I certainly consider
0:09:15myself to be a Mac power user right and you know BBEdit to me as I the canonical
0:09:21Mac power user group as at their entire lineup is everything about their apps is
0:09:29geared towards power users in my i mean not that you can I get a casual user
0:09:34can't just start using some of their website you can just open on a liner and
0:09:38just command and if you have any idea from fifth grade what an outline as
0:09:44you'll be right at home but the whole reason that they're so successful they
0:09:48can charge you know serious money for the app is that it's it's got so many
0:09:52you know power user enters you can tweak it to make it like it only apps like
0:09:59getting in on the up and just using in a box that like really digging in its
0:10:02kinda like getting a Lamborghini and just driving and parking lots yes
0:10:06there's just so much more thing yeah but your show doesn't the way we've dealt
0:10:12with that is and I'd almost argue that you can get more automation stuff going
0:10:17these days on iOS but you know it's it's still a journey but the way we've dealt
0:10:21with on the shows we deal we still do shows entire shows on iPhone and iPad
0:10:25and iOS related topics and we just kind of ignore a problem with the name and I
0:10:30don't listen to him and we've got some other URLs and we've talked about it but
0:10:34it's like you can I got a brand now and yeah I would love it
0:10:37I would I wouldn't I wouldn't worry about it I think people understand and I
0:10:41think I think the thing that makes it work is that the type of iOS users who
0:10:46are gonna be listening are gonna be there there there PCs Mac to their not
0:10:50windows people you know yeah that's the assumptions yeah I find it interesting
0:10:55personally though because I still definitely consider myself a Mac power
0:10:58user have a lot of custom modifications in a live paraphrase I'm told that that
0:11:05power mile workflow for almost everything I do from email to especially
0:11:10posting stuff today on fireball custom bookmarklets custom Automator services
0:11:18that I've written flooding in a lot of the stuff I waited around the way I i do
0:11:22mark down two points on that
0:11:26to point out that there are one or more that you post when I used to I used to
0:11:31post that stuff all the time and somehow gotten away from it and I realize I've
0:11:34got like this backlog of what I think are some pretty cool shit and the second
0:11:39thing is I will give you the microphone for as long as you want on my car uses
0:11:43one day to come and just talk about the stuff we don't have to talk about any
0:11:46news just tell us how you might be a good venue but I don't really use and
0:11:53only do any of that type of stuff on iOS on iOS and I use my phone a lot and I've
0:11:58been noticing it with the watch and we can get to that later in the show but I
0:12:03have dan I have been running my phone down into the red a lot lately a lot
0:12:09more than I was even just like six months ago but I don't really do
0:12:13anything power usery on it I don't use any of those out and I don't use text
0:12:18expander I don't use drafts I don't news I don't use long Center pro I don't use
0:12:25workflow
0:12:27loaded all of them and I've looked at them and I've appreciated them and I can
0:12:31see why every single one of those apps has become ahead and has like a serious
0:12:37enthusiasts following but they the way I use my iPhone it just none of that
0:12:41really resonates some of the most productive stuff I've done on iOS is
0:12:46just sitting down opening my word
0:12:49has got a great iCloud sync and I'll just dictate text into it and no
0:12:55formatting you know no scripts nothing just i just want to get texts somewhere
0:13:00and like on the phone you can do that you know and and i'm i'm indie guy now
0:13:06so I'm out my own dogs and some of you know me I'll be sitting at Disneyland
0:13:10and I'll sit down for 30 minutes and just get a bunch of texts into the thing
0:13:13and the iPhone iPad are great for that and that that's a useful activities if
0:13:19it doesn't have to be all you know I don't have to post from their daughter
0:13:22format and doing things only get texts somewhere that gives me a starting point
0:13:25yeah I think and you know that I helped design and make this work is definitely
0:13:30not a power user no tap it is very very straightforward and obvious and there's
0:13:35there's no secret stuff for you know doesn't have any marked down support
0:13:41that said the most surprising things to so many people that doesn't do anything
0:13:44related to market but then I say to them all I said I remarked on it all the time
0:13:47to put asterisks around words I want to get braces or URLs as I so you know it
0:13:54doesn't do anything with it but it's like that's the whole my whole thinking
0:13:59around the creation of markdown lo these many years ago what the hell happened at
0:14:04eleven years or something like that it's crazy was that you could just entered
0:14:09you know an asterisk tax get out it's now it's it's I mean I don't know you
0:14:16have done so much good for the internet with markdown I know it's a totally just
0:14:20made yourself but you know putting it out there I'm really appreciative of it
0:14:25and I bookmarked I know but it's just you know it's just so useful I mean I do
0:14:33everything in it and I don't know what when are you gonna get your app on the
0:14:38Mac has I cannot way I need I need it it's a long story
0:14:44I needed to I can she and I've been cheating cuz I have a Vesper for iPad
0:14:51running iOS Simulator 2004 7 which i think is he right isn't great you know
0:15:00it's like we're so weird if you've ever do you ever have anything running in
0:15:04like I was simulator yeah I've fiddled with it but I understand my complaining
0:15:09because it's time to use apps like this lady paste text in the way you do it
0:15:14you're in a cab you selected text copy you go over to the iOS Simulator you
0:15:18paste but then you have to tap in the text field and hit the paste like
0:15:24pasting just paste it into the iOS Simulator Mac App then in Iowa simulator
0:15:30you have to tap the insertion point where you want to text to go and then
0:15:34tap the paste button on the little pop-up menu to get it to paste into iOS
0:15:39space twice in the same thing for copying out if they could make me crazy
0:15:44yeah it's well that's probably why i drink I don't know now it's a long long
0:15:50story that we cannot get into where we're best performances but we we are
0:15:54keenly aware that everybody wanted I could not place right here
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0:17:24sounds fantastic to me but here's the thing that they've got that really push
0:17:28them forward is a gone beyond a website Dave they're releasing a very simple
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0:17:53it's like one of these deal a day type things right but it's just for wine well
0:17:57here's the thing sometimes it really limited quantities so if you really want
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0:19:01you love that there's non tech companies now sponsoring tech podcast all I think
0:19:07I've been saying to people I think that that's not that I mind any of the tech
0:19:13companies that do sponsored I mean that's obvious why they do but I think
0:19:17that the non tech products it's Brian and I think they're all of our shows all
0:19:23the shows that you think of the people who listen to strike back power users
0:19:26are the talk show or ATP any other shows on relay FM it's really not about tech I
0:19:33mean there are other podcast another podcast networks though that may be a
0:19:37more purely technical and sorta like the old divide between Mac publications and
0:19:42PC publications you know and and like the type of things where they where they
0:19:46talk about you know their first emphasis is on specs or something like that
0:19:50that's a different type of world you know this shows that about that you're
0:19:53sure about that our show attracts our shows attract people who are picky and
0:20:00care about ship that's it right and tacked it happens to be one of them and
0:20:05so if your product whether it's you know mattresses or wine or pillows are all
0:20:10this crazy shit which I never would have thought that I'd be some sponsorship
0:20:14support I think it makes total sense that they have great success with our
0:20:19shows because you know some chunk of our audience of the audience to listen to
0:20:24this show that cares about the Mac and iOS and really wants to hear talk about
0:20:27the Apple watch also really cares about wine and really want to be able to buy
0:20:32land in a cool way and get a great price so I think makes all the sense in the
0:20:36world
0:20:37yeah I agree sort of in a way that like political magazine no one would ever
0:20:42think that
0:20:43in like a magazine that focuses on like national affairs that all the ads would
0:20:47be for politics what the hell are you even advertise with politics I think the
0:20:51thing with tack that might be might and I i myself felt you know felt felt it is
0:20:56told you like years ago I wouldn't have expected these these type of sponsors
0:21:00but like a national affairs magazine what are they felt their cars watches
0:21:06and you know just all sorts of general purpose products it also indicates that
0:21:11the but the platform for podcasting is getting more legitimate than me when we
0:21:16first started doing ads about people really had trouble understanding you
0:21:20know they don't even understand the metrics is everything is different from
0:21:24traditional advertising fact I talked to some traditional advertising guys that
0:21:28just pooh-pooh the whole thing you know but you know they don't understand
0:21:32that's where people are going to get content now
0:21:34yea well in 2007 when the show started its first run with me and me and AM
0:21:39Benjamin the very first round it you could see those episodes it the
0:21:44talk-show dotnet so we wanted to punters and I was something I was already think
0:21:52I want full-time and tank fire bomb 2006 so I was all end and partially based on
0:21:59user dunno direct support from readers from memberships and t shirts and stuff
0:22:03like that but did memberships and t-shirts thing really was just the way
0:22:06that I launched going full time the only way that I got to be in the black like
0:22:11month to month which i think was like April 2006 when I announced its gone for
0:22:16time and sold bunch t-shirts and had like twenty thousand dollars or
0:22:20something like that that we cruising through the summer and just kind of
0:22:24started mowing through and got like by August it was like we had like nothing
0:22:28but partnerships are starting to pick up a little bit I remember by late October
0:22:33or November we're like the little Excel spreadsheet where we were keeping track
0:22:36of it where it was the first month where was I hate this we actually made a
0:22:40little more than we spend on all their expenses
0:22:45you know by 2007 when we started the talk show I was definitely something
0:22:50enough sponsorships for Dan fireball that made it a legitimate job we
0:22:55couldn't find anybody who sponsored by guest I mean like nobody we could even
0:22:59some spots for like 250 bucks yeah I had never heard the daring purple origin
0:23:05story before interesting too long story takes a pair of though you know they
0:23:14like give up a job and well you've sort of done that I was I don't talk about me
0:23:18let's talk about you so you have already said you are an attorney now you add
0:23:23another reason I put off putting on a show now you live and summer in Southern
0:23:27California Orange County right so that's why I have been waiting to have you on
0:23:32the show right now today here in philadelphia is seventy degrees and
0:23:36sunny it was 70 degrees and sunny yesterday and I believe the forecast
0:23:39tomorrow is around seventy degrees and sunny so a few I don't even have the
0:23:44weather widget on my Apple ID cuz I live in Southern California what you need
0:23:48that for somebody said that me where I forget a friend Adam Lee cigar the other
0:23:55week before he was on my show and we were preparing and he's so so so so
0:24:01excited about that a polite and he was like me see he goes quick without
0:24:04changing show me your watch face I sent a screenshot of my watch face
0:24:09utility utility it is utilities utilities with known to know our numbers
0:24:14with the date at 3 o'clock with fitness top right now whether top left and right
0:24:22now I have my calendar at the bottom but I i I did it around with that sometimes
0:24:26turned out just turn it often nothing rather than have that god damn no more
0:24:31events in all caps by health cover the kinks are really mad about that no more
0:24:36events thing it doesn't bother me it really bothers me because it bothers me
0:24:41because if it was a real watch it was a mechanical way of doing it it was just
0:24:47blank out like
0:24:49so the equipment and again this isn't secure morphic it's not they're not
0:24:55making it look like it flips around in that it's a little cut out panel that
0:24:59shows this right I think they've designed to perfectly but it is sort of
0:25:03mimicking the way that might like the way that the the little hour of the day
0:25:08of the month thing at three o'clock it it's a little panel just like on a
0:25:12mechanical watch on automatically so if you think about like a train station and
0:25:16there's the board that shows all of the upcoming trends when there's like room
0:25:22to show 12 but they there's only seven trains coming in the next to no
0:25:28reasonable amount of time the bottom five rows don't say no more trains it's
0:25:33just they just leave it blank like if there's nothing left the natural state
0:25:37of a of an information panel is to just show
0:25:40yeah it's actually takes effort to have it display no more events I mean there's
0:25:46a code that does that say about that code could display blank just as easily
0:25:49the explanation I've heard the best thing I've heard for why they show that
0:25:53is that if you are the sort of person I think that the dividing line of whether
0:25:57you are bothered by the Senate is whether you have a lot of events
0:26:01calendar or not do you live the sort of life for you have a lot of meetings and
0:26:07stuff like that and that you seldom see no more events and when that's me and
0:26:14when you do see it it's like a relief it's it's like an inbox zero type of
0:26:19euphoria that you get right it's like my day is done no more events it actually
0:26:24pleases you to see it because you started your day with a whole bunch of
0:26:28stuff that that that was going to cycle through whereas with me more often than
0:26:34not you know I've got nothing on it on a regular day or the only thing I have I
0:26:38do have like a calendar subscription to the Yankees schedule and so the only
0:26:42thing on my watch is just tell me the Yankees played seven but I knew that
0:26:45already
0:26:46you know I don't need that on the calendar thanks
0:26:49I also me like you're living right i think is bent on mine so I think I think
0:26:56that no more events thing I think it hopefully it'll change I I could say I
0:27:00really you know again I desire constant refrain of the last decade is I know
0:27:05like some point around a decade ago we collectively realize that adding
0:27:11preferences every time there's any kind of dispute over something is not the way
0:27:15to build sustainable software for years to come because eventually you end up
0:27:19with you know at any given one feature it's not a bad idea but as a general
0:27:24principle if you keep doing that you end up with these crazy you know there's way
0:27:28too many preferences here and you're lost trying to find anything but I do
0:27:32think that maybe this one should be a setting and that the reason why I feel
0:27:36like some people want to see that some people are just annoyed by that I don't
0:27:40know that anybody you know I guess on my side of the fence would really care if
0:27:45it never said no more events again I'd be fined for his blanket the end of the
0:27:50day she said the people on the side of saying get rid of it are much more
0:27:54passionate about that people would want to keep it I wouldn't mind too if there
0:27:57was some way that it would show some people say that if showed nothing it
0:28:03would create in this idea because it would make them feel like the calendar
0:28:08wasn't syncing anymore you know that that it had lost the connection and
0:28:12enter watchers no land that they do have an event upcoming but that the watch
0:28:17isn't reading it you know that somehow I don't know why I can't really buy that I
0:28:24it's it's interesting because I used a pebble for a long time i right up until
0:28:28the time Apple watcher at least and I was always the pedal was always losing
0:28:33connection with the phone and you know whether it was a calendar entry or the
0:28:38weather or whatever it just you know it it was clearly bad and or old data and
0:28:44ever since the Apple watch arrived I mean I just not even an issue for me I
0:28:48always know that if I look at the weather is going to be the actual
0:28:51current weather actually we're located or the calendar date is gonna be
0:28:54accurate
0:28:54there's been no failure I mean I have complete faith in it at this point and I
0:28:59guess that's probably unfair to people because they're not Apple they don't
0:29:02have the same access to the operating system
0:29:04guys had but just worried that that's the weird thing about the watches you
0:29:10don't fiddle with that much in my case I mean what I figured it out I just
0:29:14started wearing it and it was my water and that was what your watch face
0:29:17utility color black utility that the watch itself is the look of what your
0:29:27what your highlight color for you to orange yeah yeah yeah me too high school
0:29:32was black and orange and I always thought that those were it not just out
0:29:37of sheer loyalty to whatever shitty color's your high school I always
0:29:44thought it was it was a good luck and a rare one that there's not many teams in
0:29:48sports with black and aren't we get the Tigers we were the the Mountaineers
0:29:53Tigers in a drive-by
0:29:55Tigers is usually like the NFL Bengals you know it's a natural orange and black
0:30:01mamba high schools black and white shoes for a minute there I thought we may seem
0:30:05school when that happened funny but yeah so I've got and I got the call it the
0:30:12the budget Darth Vader watch you know the black aluminum with a rubber band
0:30:18the black rubber and launch it looks really nice together I did the same
0:30:22thing when I use the modular face I have them all damn I like the orange my son
0:30:26has it as as red which I seen a lot of people with screenshot you know for
0:30:31modular he's he's a digital guy get his watch a last time I heard you talking to
0:30:37hear ya he got it he had of schedule so everything everything we've ordered for
0:30:43the house has shown up except for my black steel links watch which seemingly
0:30:50nobody has gotten it might miles tires freshman in college she got one and she
0:30:56got a feeling she she sent me a diagram on it and I call cool she sent him a
0:31:01message she wrote poop
0:31:03that's a good care so you put my watch he said yeah I know I tried to drop I'll
0:31:15prove the one time I that's not good enough that I I can try anything on this
0:31:19thing just it's terrible here I don't know if that's really gonna be a thing
0:31:23the heart beating with my wife that's cool
0:31:27the taps we can kind of develop a language with the taps but the drawing
0:31:31the picture thing I'm not sure where that's going yeah i dont no other thing
0:31:39that I don't know about is the interface for you tap the side button to bring up
0:31:50the little 12 o'clock you know the 12 spot dial for picking a contact and now
0:31:57that so many people I know have an apple watch TV on 12 know it's definitely and
0:32:04so what do you say I had to start I've already had to cut people and in addis
0:32:11doesn't even mention the people who I might want to have a quick contact list
0:32:15who don't have a watch but I want them there so that I could quick send them a
0:32:18text message from my rest right I don't even a way to send a tap or picture to
0:32:27someone who's not on that list of 12 I don't think there is no no no but you
0:32:31can still initiate a phone call or a text to get away to tell you can
0:32:35actually tell whether somebody has an apple watch registered to their Apple
0:32:39ideas you put them in your your friends list that spot friends list and if they
0:32:45have an apple watch they have three options
0:32:48the center but center but yes and if not they don't and so I think I mentioned it
0:32:54a few weeks ago and anticipation I figured I didn't know but I figured that
0:32:59Jim Dalrymple would be getting would be getting a watch before April 24th so
0:33:06every day I was checking to see if he'd gotten one yet
0:33:09and then I got the 2013 she should have but the thing and I like quicksand
0:33:12picture of
0:33:13they want to be the first person to do it but it is an issue because this was
0:33:21gonna be popular and like if you want it is so if you want to be able to do that
0:33:26with a friend they have to get on your list of 12
0:33:30even though you may well somebody else that doesn't have to watch on that list
0:33:33of 12 or maybe you have more than twelve people that watches and just seems like
0:33:38a very limiting interface for something that they clearly intend to be a
0:33:41massively important part of the watch given that it's the one and only feature
0:33:45that that is that you can do with only two buttons on the thing hardware
0:33:50buttons and 1 a.m. when you single press it it's all get there is no
0:33:54configuration all it does is bring this side menu up her friends list from the
0:33:59side and did too limited to 12 like that really feels really limited it's really
0:34:09weird and now that I'm filled up with 12 somebody who forget to let somebody sent
0:34:13me doodle the other day and I wanted to add them to my list but I already had 12
0:34:20and in that point what you have to do is you have to go to the phone and delete
0:34:26somebody and add that person manually like there's no way to do it right there
0:34:30on the fly as you as you get it
0:34:33yeah it's about that evolves I think it has to I think it's it way too I mean I
0:34:39you know it it would be easy to change I don't think anybody's gonna become
0:34:42addicted to this twelve people in a circle thing so I think it'd be easy to
0:34:46break that in the future and do something new and quite frankly it's
0:34:50already change because it's a very different interface from what they
0:34:52showed in September yeah I forgot was it a great thinker when they actually
0:34:58forget but I know it wasn't a circle I totally forgot what it was in September
0:35:02but I know as a circle
0:35:05it's hard to look out on that because Apple sort of thrown September thing
0:35:09down the memory hole it's fun though that's what happened this watch on and
0:35:13you know getting notifications on their wrists and just the basic stuff but it's
0:35:17also just fine like singing taps to people and I don't know why I think
0:35:21they've done a good job with it yeah I do so you living in Orange County I saw
0:35:28that when you first got it he wrote up your experiences with the right way
0:35:31you'd gone to Disneyland and it looked like typical Orange County whether it
0:35:36was funny that to me is as it gets nicer and nicer here
0:35:42philadelphia's as we go into May from April and it's a lot fewer overcast days
0:35:47and a lot of more days like today where it's just absolutely positively perfect
0:35:51I find it hard to read the watch in some indirect sunlight it is harder to read
0:35:58although I think that's one maybe the reason I like utility face it's very
0:36:01easy to to see the hands are big enough that you're just fine
0:36:07like the chronograph I don't know I don't think I could read that even if I
0:36:12think that's very difficult to read because they handle hollow they're not
0:36:16they're not and the extra superfluous stuff is just no way I could rebut 47
0:36:24they just it's not even possible I don't even know what those what they're doing
0:36:28in their area magnifying glass or something but it's it's great I haven't
0:36:36had a whole lot of trouble I can affect taken direct sunlight I can see how the
0:36:40the panel's not attach the glass like I've kind of got used to the iPhone and
0:36:44the iPad but you know its generation one I don't know about that I remember ATP
0:36:52episode a couple of weeks ago when they were talking about how whether the
0:36:55panels attached to the glass or not and I think and and I might get this detail
0:37:01wrong but I think and then in the next episode in their follow-up there was one
0:37:04of the johnnie I videos where they said on
0:37:06Jony ive said on some of the some of the watches
0:37:11display is fused to the sapphire crystal and that's all he said so I think it is
0:37:17i think it is fused to the surface I think it looks pretty close and I think
0:37:22that in certain lighting you can definitely see the display through the
0:37:26Sapphire but it's it's rare for me even in some light it's rare for me I wonder
0:37:32if she minds aluminum and so have the sapphire crystal wonder if an ATB guys
0:37:37brought it up with what johnnie I've said and it's just as recording it
0:37:40ambiguous what that means for the sport models because does he mean all of them
0:37:46refused and on but some only some of them have sapphire or does he mean only
0:37:50the 12 safire refused I don't know it I looked at my son's sport watch and it
0:37:55didn't look to me like it was any different but I also have to admit that
0:37:59it at age 42 and with the trouble with my lifetime I I can really see the
0:38:06difference like this is the first time ever that I've had seen an Apple product
0:38:10where I i really couldn't I think the 38 actually looks good on my wrist I think
0:38:17I could totally get by with it in terms of the size but I actually do struggle
0:38:21to read it in a way that I don't struggle to read the 42
0:38:25my wife's cause I had the black one
0:38:28those were constrained so my wife's blue phone I'm sorry blue watch with silver
0:38:35aluminum showed up on day one and she let me wear it for a few days because I
0:38:39wanted to fiddle with it more than she did and it was 38 and it was fine and
0:38:43look good on me but that I agree what's the bigger one showed up I knew exactly
0:38:47that was as for me I think Adam have the same thing to do this so I for example
0:38:52on the chronograph is a perfect not only really use the chronograph them although
0:38:56I do sometimes the reason I like it is that you can just switch to chronograph
0:39:01so I have chronograph to to watch faces over and then you're one tap away from
0:39:05starting a timer
0:39:07stopwatch if you wanted you you know you know I do I put charcoal in the ground
0:39:13and then just boom started stopwatch and then I know you know once he gets a 25
0:39:17minute start checking in to see the training series timer awesome yeah just
0:39:22told but I with the thirty eight millimeter with my son's thirteen
0:39:26millimeter I can't read the subtitles on the chronograph action makes me feel
0:39:32incredibly old like the little there's a there's a stop by our second hand
0:39:36underneath and that depends I have it configured but there's two sub-dials
0:39:42that it does little some circles are I can read the numbers on them on his and
0:39:47I can read my mind was about your age I am I noticed I was holding books out
0:39:52further and further from me as I read them and someone said you know you you
0:39:57may have you know you may have a problem there we were at Costco I'll never
0:40:00forget and they had you know this sample reading glasses and i put a pair on and
0:40:05look at some words like god damn I'm getting old and i'm looking iFixit
0:40:10teardown of an aluminum one and it's not clear but it looks like it may be
0:40:14attention it's pretty close to the surface and I i think that the affect
0:40:18the overall effect of the entire black surface
0:40:24whichever model you have looks like it's the display and the actual display just
0:40:29takes up you know some portion within it with these generous what seems to be
0:40:35generous margins around it in fact they like those when you have stuff out to
0:40:39the corner there really writing it right out to the corner of the display and I
0:40:43asked rated screenshot and you seem like wow that doesn't look right right yeah
0:40:49and you know and that it was definitely true with some of the initial apps that
0:40:54came out in April that they had way to the margin you know they had like even
0:40:58just two or three pixels margin it it really made their their stuff like
0:41:02cramped have you done the fitness stuff much of you played with them a little
0:41:07bit
0:41:08I you know I'm getting back into running now that clear into it with my stuff so
0:41:16I'm you know I'm using it to run a couple times a week and I track you know
0:41:19sometimes I do it I don't know that I go out why live in the city and so I walk
0:41:23everywhere and to me going on a walk like walking somewhere like if I walk to
0:41:27pick up my son from school it's like one and a half miles away so it's a three
0:41:31mile walk round trip that doesn't feel like exercise to me like walking i mean
0:41:35it's cutting its good for you and I think it's one of the nice part of the
0:41:38city but to me it doesn't feel silly to me to start the workout out and say I'm
0:41:43going on a walk and I'm just walking but I do it just to have it to play with the
0:41:48thing I realizes it cuz I never really thought about heart rate much as I
0:41:53walked a lot too and I think I'm doing great with exercise I'm walking all over
0:41:56the place but we're in the watch for the first week of release you know I didn't
0:41:59do anything to raise my heart rate the whole weeks and now to watch actually is
0:42:03change my behavior so now I'm like looking for hills to climb or spend a
0:42:08little time everyday kinda get my heart rate up and and I'm not sure if it's
0:42:12just the newness of the watch if this will stick or not but it bothers me now
0:42:17when I get him down and get my thirty minutes of elevated heart rate yeah and
0:42:21I do think too that the fitness stuff even though I'm not a super big fitness
0:42:26enthusiasts but I'm learning every day and so now I've got like six weeks out
0:42:30of you know daily stuff it is keeping me from wearing my old watch it one of the
0:42:37main it probably the main thing that's keeping me from just wearing my old
0:42:41watch you know just for kicks which is something I you know you switch between
0:42:47two watches and
0:42:48I anticipated that I wouldn't want to wear my Apple watch every single day
0:42:51maybe even not most days but the fitness stuff kind of motivates me too and I've
0:42:56heard other people say the same thing because you don't want to have to lose a
0:42:58day and have a day where you know makes it look like a bed or even like when you
0:43:04get out of bed in the morning and say I'm gonna be working in pyjamas for two
0:43:08hours I'll still put the watch on cuz I know I'm going to be going up and down
0:43:12the steps and doing so i dont wanna lose that credit so it's funny I'm very
0:43:17motivated to get this watch honest and say wake up in the morning I do find now
0:43:22I still find like before we move on from white stuff but I do find I'm still
0:43:27right from my first review one week after wearing it I still annoyed when I
0:43:32look at it and the display doesn't turn on for whatever reason and it just
0:43:36happened to me while I was coming up the stairs my office here at the house as
0:43:40you know second floor and I was coming up here to do the podcast and my arms
0:43:44were full at a coffee mug in one hand and I had my thermos filled with the
0:43:48coffee and the other and so I couldn't control my rest ma'am but I got got the
0:43:55tap that I hadn't had an alert and I look at my wrists to see what it was and
0:43:59it's black and i was just so annoyed even know I was only 10 seconds away
0:44:04from being able to set it down into it was but it's like if you're giving me
0:44:08the tap I wanna see the god damn thing you might take on that is that they at
0:44:14some point they said no one story we never want written about the Apple watch
0:44:18is that the battery dies at 5 p.m. yep I think more than anything like it also
0:44:23bothers me that that it turns off tonight was at six seconds because
0:44:27sometimes I actually need more than six sections six seconds to process what's
0:44:30on the screen and I just feel like somewhere they said you know we're gonna
0:44:34make it extra sensitive or not gonna make it turned on just anytime you flick
0:44:38arrest were not going to leave it online and we're never gonna have a story
0:44:41written that says turn that the battery died 25 and I think they you know they
0:44:46can what you farming I got a bad things that 45 percent battery after an 18 hour
0:44:50day means crazy yeah I for me its batteries been such a non-issue the only
0:44:55time I ever got vaguely clueless never once ran all the way down but one time
0:44:58in the first week while I was really you know working pretty much warning tonight
0:45:04on how am I gonna write this first review of the watch you know when the
0:45:08embargo drops next week I mean and really using it in a way that was not
0:45:13reflective of the daily use of it it was really more like I was able to get
0:45:18quality assistance tester you know like I'm testing a lot like it was my job to
0:45:21play with it although I ran it down to the by 10 percent or something like that
0:45:26but that was that was truly abnormal I do think though that there is I haven't
0:45:31seen anybody publish any kind of specs on it but I think the difference between
0:45:3438 and 42 on battery life is truly significant as it seems like my wife and
0:45:39son both have 38 definitely finished the day lower neither one has ever run out
0:45:45but they're both significantly lower I was thinking I'd be buying an extra
0:45:52magnetic charger and I keep in my car and I had all these like ideas on
0:45:56average about the watch and I don't need any of that stuff for me it's just plug
0:46:00it in it and you know charge at the end of the day I'm fine but if I had a
0:46:04setting and I feel like the other thing they wanted to do I think you're exactly
0:46:06right that they said we don't want anybody saying that this thing is
0:46:10crapping out before they go to bed so I feel like the roughly day and a half
0:46:16battery life that they've hit is exactly right because that way you definitely
0:46:22have to charge it every day by you I don't see anybody complaining that the
0:46:27watch is turning black before they go to sleep
0:46:31yeah but I can you know and there are some hypothetical scenarios I mean I am
0:46:35an old man and I just stay home all the time
0:46:36but when I heard a younger man there were times where I would you know spur
0:46:42the moment windup you know sleeping someone that wasn't my house you know
0:46:49just sleeping at a friends you know you handled it really well I don't even mean
0:46:55to imply anything I don't mean to imply anything any kind of even adult
0:46:59situation may be other than the the consumption of adult beverages yeah when
0:47:04I was younger man it'd be more like a overnight halo party you know what you
0:47:08know what that's a dad soon example to know I like in college we would have all
0:47:14night marathon sessions you know where you had wanted to play a network game
0:47:18yet to be in a land that's a perfect example where there's nothing in a brawl
0:47:22not imply anything inappropriate or that I let any kind of crazy lifestyle but
0:47:26you know in college I sometimes would not sleep in my bedroom or I wouldn't
0:47:32come home until six or seven in the morning you know in which case I I do
0:47:35wonder whether the why I don't know that the watch as it is today would make it
0:47:39then these like charging straps and where things are showing up I i think
0:47:44thats all completely abandon its crazy and I don't understand because you have
0:47:48to do anyway to charge it is too is underneath it and that's it I don't see
0:47:53how they can possibly work with the with the tenders that they have the center
0:47:58circle bananas if they're not connected to your skin it's it's funny how much
0:48:02time we spend weeks and thinking about battery life and and batteries because
0:48:07the whole world has changed in the last five six years as all mobile now and and
0:48:14charging my phone battery time as Sookie and and and it's the big constraint
0:48:18right now too so everything you think about charging I I'm upset about it I
0:48:23have charging docks all over my house and like I'm just sitting here right now
0:48:27my phones and a charger doesn't need to pay its at a hundred percent at sino 1
0:48:32o'clock in the afternoon but I can't help myself have you found that your
0:48:36wife or your iPhone gets worse battery life now that year
0:48:39using it with your watch haven't noticed any I am convinced that I am I'm
0:48:44convinced that and I think it's because I never used anything Bluetooth before
0:48:47and so yeah I had it on for the future costs and doesn't handle hentoff
0:48:58required Bluetooth though I think it may not but I know that like airdrop
0:49:05requires Bluetooth but but it only ever before I started using Apple watch I was
0:49:11only ever had grey blue tooth in the status bar great Bluetooth means like
0:49:16Bluetooth is on but you're not connected to anything it's just just low power
0:49:21mode and it's there for like oh ok you can hand off this web pages email
0:49:27they've started writing underfunded and it only really does anything but now
0:49:31it's black all the time it's the black Bluetooth because it's going to watch
0:49:35and I'm convinced I'm getting worse battery life on the phone I'm still
0:49:38making it through the day but I am dropping into the red whereas in the
0:49:42first few months of using an iPhone 6 I never was in the red eyes bluetooth
0:49:47headphones and stuff all day long so it's I can't tell any difference I'll
0:49:52tell you one thing about the watch that I didn't expect to like as much as I do
0:49:56is that whole forst touch thing let me just fine I really like having that
0:50:03additional user interface
0:50:04you know just clearing your notifications with a force but yeah yeah
0:50:09it's I hope that that stuff makes its way to the thought I've said this before
0:50:13and I know it sounds like a joke but my number 252 tips for anybody get sample
0:50:18watch as I know what you're going to do is what you gonna do it in a box and
0:50:22you're gonna put it on and go through the parent process and just started
0:50:25using it
0:50:25exploring and doing it
0:50:27so go ahead I'm not going to tell you that you know take your vitamins open it
0:50:31up put it on play with it and then a day or two later when you feel like you're
0:50:35confused you feel like you're not getting it here's the two things to do
0:50:38go back to your packaging and reread the Getting Started pamphlet which is just
0:50:43six panels I'm not saying read the user manual I'm saying just read that getting
0:50:47started panel which is like almost like a comic book many user manual because
0:50:53you'll i guess i i guarantee most people will find something that they didn't
0:50:57know or didn't remember like oh that's how you do Apple pay you start by double
0:51:01tapping that but like when I I'll admit I like when I would first week that I
0:51:08was had a watch I i couldn't get out the paperwork and went to Whole Foods and I
0:51:14held my watch up to that I figured it worked like the phone I knew that I had
0:51:17two double tap that button to confirm it I just figured you start by holding a
0:51:21watch up to the terminal and then when it paintings like ok ready for Apple
0:51:24paid then you double tap to confirm and nothing happened and I thought oh well
0:51:29maybe I didn't set up and then let you know but just read a pamphlet I'm
0:51:34telling you gonna learn something and there's so many questions I see it on
0:51:37Twitter every day when people are still getting their watches and they're asking
0:51:41questions that are answered in that that pamphlet and then I have like the that
0:51:46whenever he double tap the crowd goes to the last yeah yeah I've seen people say
0:51:52I wish there was some way to just go back to the last I double click the
0:51:58crowd they've really thought of that and then my second attempt my only two top
0:52:02tips my second tip is Triforce tapping everywhere
0:52:07any app you use whether it's from Apple whether it's from a third-party Triforce
0:52:11tattoo and see if there's something there
0:52:14yeah you're right and and so often that's like the answer to all problems
0:52:18when you're stuck somewhere you know there was a lot of talk when they first
0:52:23came out about two things that the forces are raised complain about
0:52:26notifications which I never really got it seemed to me like especially
0:52:30some of these people at a tech press should understand that notifications are
0:52:33entirely within your control but you know it's not that hard to to just
0:52:39notification that hasn't really been an issue for me but the other one that I
0:52:41thought was kind of unfair is that the whole thing about saying well this is a
0:52:46different interface and it's harder to figure out well it is a different
0:52:49interface it's a smaller screen but I I don't think you should expect it any
0:52:54different I do think maybe it would be better if there was a way if you know
0:53:00they're two buttons are winning there's one button you can press that would
0:53:03always give you a watch face but I i really think it really wasn't that hard
0:53:10to figure out I haven't linked to it yet but I almost certainly will
0:53:18before the show airs were recording on Thursday it here on Friday Stephen North
0:53:27going to have a link from doing fireball I will try to remember the link to it
0:53:32and show you are making a no right now
0:53:34Stephen Lawrence had an interesting like first week with the iPhone blog post and
0:53:43one of his ideas was that he thought that maybe the
0:53:49the side button instead of being underneath the crown should have been
0:53:54opposite the crown and that you could tap it to go back so that is he found a
0:54:01demi was in any app that have an obligation you know the route and then
0:54:05you type of thing and then you go in and then there's a little back button up
0:54:08there that it's really hard to tap that back button and I completely six weeks
0:54:12and I still miss back buttons a lot in that upper corner or depending on the
0:54:18app I've tried to be hitting a back button and even worse than missing it
0:54:22all hit something beneath it like I've been trying I've been experimenting with
0:54:28Wonder list price shopping and stuff like that like a little shopping list
0:54:33and wonder list and then it's on my wrists and I don't have to go to the
0:54:36supermarket chillin with a phone I can just keep going to my wrist but I find
0:54:40that sometimes you know I try to hit the top item today either check it off and
0:54:45hit the back button it goes back to my list a list or a try to go back to the
0:54:48back let's listen end up checking the top item so his ideas put a hardware
0:54:52button to go back which I don't think it's a good idea and I think if you put
0:54:56it opposite the digital crown would actually create the same sort of
0:54:59problems people have with the power button and the volume up button on the
0:55:04iPhone's sex where people are opposite each other and people put their fingers
0:55:09on both of them and then they try to squeeze one in the end up squeezing the
0:55:12other times you gotta take a picture in turn your camera or phone off that that
0:55:18new jersey guy Mike early and Jason selling the upgrade podcast a few weeks
0:55:23ago did kind of a thing about this and Mike made the point that you know the
0:55:28home screen on the watch is the watch yes and I thought he made a really great
0:55:33point that it should be all there should be one button that just get you to the
0:55:36watch face at any time and the promise of digital crown is it it's inconsistent
0:55:41sometimes it does that sometimes it go somewhere else
0:55:45and I you know it the case that up on a lot of time figuring this out but but I
0:55:49still appreciate the idea of just every user knows they press one button and the
0:55:54watch face comes up and from there hopefully figured out
0:55:57gestures enough to be able to get to where you need to go yeah it's a great I
0:56:01I really do think that that's true and I think calling the list of apps the home
0:56:05screen I don't even know if Apple is calling it don't know if they even call
0:56:08it that but it's not you know and it's only serves to confuse you make you
0:56:13think that it's that watch works like a little iPhone and I do think that that
0:56:20is a great point because I think part of the beauty of iOS is that the Westway
0:56:25the home button or no matter where you are you can hit home runs and it's going
0:56:29to take you to the home screen but then looking at my wife and daughter who
0:56:34neither one of them a geek store wanna be Mac power users or anything like that
0:56:38they used to watch is just fine you know i mean they are not having any trouble
0:56:43using it so maybe they did it right right but the way I can I OS like you
0:56:49just single tap the home button and it takes you to your home screen and it
0:56:53doesn't matter if you're in a nap hit the home button next to the home screen
0:56:56if you're already on the home screen and you've brought up control center or
0:57:01you've brought down notification so you can hit the home screen and it goes away
0:57:05now you don't have to because you can just tap together to go away but if you
0:57:08don't know how to do that because there's no button that says make it go
0:57:11away just hit that home button and it takes you there so I can kinda see the
0:57:15logic of if there was just a button that always took you to watch face now think
0:57:20users will appreciate that it's his front just fine when Apple make
0:57:28something new like a 1.0 product I agree and just to see what they've done with
0:57:33it and i know im a geek and all that stuff but it's just cool to be part of
0:57:37it I think the one that excited me the most when it came out was the iPad
0:57:40because it's just that I just felt like it was such a a great idea and it was
0:57:46just so awesome that showed up I
0:57:48but but both both the iPad the iPhone when they came out I spent weeks just
0:57:53like going over every detail in just plain with them and think about the the
0:57:58the watches I didn't spend that much time fiddling with american I got it set
0:58:02up the way I wanted a company watch face picked out and I put it on and I went on
0:58:07with my day but I'm just using it just hasn't ended all the time I think it's a
0:58:11good thing but it is different
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1:01:38here's one more before we go to move on from the watch but this is one that I've
1:01:44been thinking about
1:01:45I have turned on if you go to Settings text and something like two things that
1:01:53don't really seem like they belong in the same settings panel brightness and
1:01:57TXT text size I've turned on the option for bold text you ever tried this know I
1:02:07have it so I think a lot of people probably haven't you might have because
1:02:11when you toggle it either way it pops up a dialog that says hey changing this
1:02:18setting requires restarting your watch and so when it first week that had I saw
1:02:22that I'll do that later I don't feel like restarting a lot right now takes
1:02:26like two or three minutes for the watch I really like the way it looks and I
1:02:31don't even think that it's and accessibility issues although it could
1:02:38be for some but it's not under General accessibility it's under text settings
1:02:44it's like a legitimate option I really like the way it looks now the truth is
1:02:50I'm you know as we spoke up for 4200 made perfectly healthy right eye is
1:02:56already sort of on the
1:02:58beginning cusp of acquiring reading glasses and my left eye is a mass so you
1:03:09know part of it is maybe age-related maybe but I kind of like it even like
1:03:13when I don't even have my contacts and then my eyes really can't I can still
1:03:17see super good cause I really like the way the bold text looks I really think
1:03:23it looks sort of sort of like the way that in the classic Mac OS that like
1:03:28chicago was sort of a bold bold font and I just activated while you're talking I
1:03:35can see that I know what you're very particular about typography so I never
1:03:39thought you'd be the guy who who tested the pic you would want the built-in I
1:03:45but I really loved it and especially here's where I especially love the bold
1:03:49text is on watch faces not even I feel like it looks a little bit weird when
1:03:55you get like a text and you see the text you know i kind of what I would really
1:04:00like to talk about power user features like if if there was an equivalent of
1:04:03like the way you can do like defaults write tax on on Mac OS 10 to get
1:04:09preferences only been available visually but I would love to do is turn it off
1:04:13everywhere except watch faces and only have it on watch faces at dis what it
1:04:18means is that all the complications have boulder slightly boulder Texas not like
1:04:23bold it's like switching from a light ish version of San Francisco 20 like a
1:04:28medium bowl semi bold version of San Francisco and I feel like it's a really
1:04:32good luck and in a way that to me looks a lot like like a lot of real mechanical
1:04:38watches have fun on the dial that are of this rough wait yeah yeah it really into
1:04:46me it also to go back to the viewing in sunlight it makes the complication text
1:04:51easier for me to read in sunlight
1:04:53do you think they're going to allow developers to submit their own watch
1:04:57races at any point no I do not I really don't because I think that or I think
1:05:05most likely know and I think if they do it'll it'll be a system that
1:05:09ones like the way Apple TV runs today where they will be partnerships that are
1:05:15cultivated yeah but that there is no there will you know there's an app store
1:05:21already for apps that has thousands of apps from anybody and everybody I think
1:05:27if they ever do third-party watch faces it would be like Apple TV and it would
1:05:32be cultivated list at hand selected and approved by Apple at a very high level
1:05:37yes icon that people they had it was just it was a crazy people had these
1:05:43nutty faces but then occasionally someone would you like a really classy
1:05:47fruit or based watch face that looks really really actually better than
1:05:52anything that they had been there till David you realize you're speaking about
1:05:56people in the past
1:05:57well through in my life it is a past it didn't even realize it
1:06:06no i didnt i I have to pre order in for the pebble time I keep on the color
1:06:12purple color was just feel like they should have called it but it's called
1:06:15purple time the thing that I can tell is going to be a can tell it's gonna be a
1:06:20non-starter and I feel bad for them for me at least maybe some people you know
1:06:24some people might really still preferred but for me the thing that kills it is
1:06:28the fact that this did this play is so clearly different from the bezel around
1:06:33the display yes it doesn't matter what to me whether its color and i'd to me it
1:06:38just looks so elegant looks like you have a little screened strapped arrest
1:06:42as I know it's cheaper that's a that's a motivation are you can run up for
1:06:46several days but the thing you know have been used one for a year just the fact
1:06:51that it it just didn't stay paired consistently with an iPhone and maybe if
1:06:56you've got an Android device you're better off but with an iPhone I just
1:07:01found it very inconsistent and and that was just you know frustrating so
1:07:06and I don't have a problem at all with the Apple of course one of the weird
1:07:11things about this that I hate columns more like just the new digital watch 2.0
1:07:18these new computerized digital watches is that you don't really have a lot of
1:07:24choice it really it all starts with what phone use and pebbles trying to straddle
1:07:28these two worlds and I wish them the best of luck I'd s why I preordered the
1:07:32time I hope that they make it and I hope that they know I i feel like i we need
1:07:37more companies like people to succeed but I just feel like it's so hard
1:07:41because they're fighting these massive massive companies like Apple and Google
1:07:46who have these resources that are just so hard for them to match with a can't
1:07:50match the resources but the fact that they can't make it harder for them to
1:07:54compete but like the Android where vs Apple watch there's a minute debate like
1:08:02whatever let you know if you're if you use an iPhone you know I wondered where
1:08:07it doesn't work with I know there's rumors that they are going to make it
1:08:09work with it and I can the next month or two at Google i/o but it's not going to
1:08:15be the level of integration that Apple waters because they're only gonna be
1:08:18able to do the things that people can do with iOS which is all limited by the App
1:08:23Store restrictions for what it can do you know when you're going to have this
1:08:27goodly setup process for Bluetooth free after four digit code it is gonna be
1:08:34limited and if you have an Android phone you do don't even have a choice to use a
1:08:38nap what I grew up in the era where you know you'd be trying to use a Palm Pilot
1:08:44with a Mac or candy candy where processor called it'll be all these
1:08:51technology that wasn't Apple based trying to get to work with apple and it
1:08:55was such a pain that I just have a zero tolerance for even trying that stuff at
1:08:59this point I mean if Apple makes both pieces I'm just going to use the thing
1:09:03that really my had a handspring buzzer my wife had 12 and she probably used to
1:09:08more than I did which is pretty interesting because you know
1:09:11is this background 99 2000 and I remember this when I was working a
1:09:16bare-bones software my pal gym Korea is now at the Omni group like he did like
1:09:21the best thing everybody like 25 like replacement stylus is answering visor so
1:09:27it was like a jar candy on his desk like just go you know alright gimme gimme
1:09:33five point got one in every never had to worry about losing your goddamn stylist
1:09:38was it and I'm pretty careful with my devices but it was like it was a common
1:09:43problem syncing your software mac was the biggest I think it was kept me from
1:09:47eventually made me abandon it and part of the problem to visit the max of that
1:09:51era didn't really have standard system databases for things like that there was
1:09:56no built-in contact you know and classic there was no standard context so it's a
1:10:01you could sink with something but it was like a limited number of third party
1:10:04options and there was no standard
1:10:06system wide calendar i I tell people everything that gets into the discussion
1:10:11about a pricing I talked to them about how my Palm Pilot about every month or
1:10:16two it was just duplicate all of my contacts and if I didn't fix it and
1:10:21another month I would have four copies of every contact and so on and somebody
1:10:26made it happened it was $50 and all it did was go out and knock out duplication
1:10:31as I was so happy to pay you know and now it's like this Apple change your
1:10:36life and it'll be allow you to get your work done and go home earlier how much
1:10:41as five bucks five bucks what are you talking
1:10:46could so true I think somewhere that's crazy I don't like an inverse curve to
1:11:01like the price of a cup of coffee more coffee gets the more or less willing
1:11:05people are willing to pay for apps Joanna stern of the wall street journal
1:11:15has her column a couple of weeks ago was about how to fix up viewer Word contacts
1:11:23database you know that if you like her over the years have wound up like she
1:11:28had like four entries for her dad like one was just his email one was just his
1:11:31phone number you know one you know i get if you have a relative I guess bob but
1:11:37he's also listed as Robert you know and it's two entries and you know that
1:11:41there's a bunch of these utilities that you can you can buy 22 you know pics at
1:11:46all and it's a song like in the comments people were like $4 but it's like it
1:11:53would save you like it's like her whole thing was like you know if you have 500
1:11:58contacts and you did it by hand if I these apps can help you like they could
1:12:02you can easily save an hour right and so an asshole who doesn't whose time is not
1:12:08worth $4 for an hour or whatever the process of matching hair on your
1:12:11deathbed and you say you can't live another hour to $4 what he's gonna say
1:12:17you know i mean alright so speaking only building let's talk about you and your
1:12:23so you're you're an attorney and had been what was what was your practice
1:12:29business I'm a business attorney represent small companies have been
1:12:33doing for 21 years but I was in law firm the whole time until about two months
1:12:39ago and I got out of there man I hit the brakes all of this other stuff that
1:12:44you've been doing all the podcasting blogging all the writing and all this
1:12:47stuff is all been on the side of you being a full-time partner in a law firm
1:12:52not net net was never partner
1:12:55that the way it was set up just wasn't set up that way but I was I was always
1:12:59full time where and now you are you talking but you quit that quit that job
1:13:08yeah you're doing this stuff full time but you also have your own new law
1:13:15practice
1:13:16yeah it's weird you know it's like maybe looking back I mean I guess on a few
1:13:20years yeah it's a very public thing you know when you quit a job that pays well
1:13:26you got insurance and all that stuff and you're like ok and I'm gonna do that i'm
1:13:30gonna write about you know the Mac and and do some law stuff too but I i wanted
1:13:34to have more control and you know just you know as you get older you just that
1:13:39control thing is more important to you and I know maybe at some point I wanted
1:13:43to be like a big-time lawyer in a big-time arm but that's just not me I
1:13:47like representing small guys my clients are represented on the software
1:13:52developers I do contracts for them and stuff like that you know so this is
1:13:57something I could have done on my own but I just invite the overhead in
1:14:00wanting more meetings etched in one all the stuff that comes with being as part
1:14:04of a big operation and and have also been doing the Mac sparky stuff so I
1:14:09wanted to be able to have more time for that so I figured out of work a little
1:14:13bit less as a lawyer and a little bit more snacks market have a better balance
1:14:16in my life so I went out and announced that I've done this and now the whole
1:14:20world can watch me you know go down in flames are or make it work I'm not sure
1:14:24I'm still on that play with you i'm looking at the Excel spreadsheet
1:14:26everybody but they but it feels absolutely the right thing I mean I'm
1:14:32sorry I just tell my wife I said I gotta make this work there's no way I could
1:14:35ever go work for somebody ever and I've gotta make this man but it's so far it's
1:14:40it's great my love it and the communities been really good to me and I
1:14:44had dinner in a month or so ago I actually it was when I got the review in
1:14:50truth a polite I went to New York the night before just won't have to take the
1:14:53train in the morning and and
1:14:54Jason cut can I had dinner and we are talking about how having been successful
1:14:59at this and having done it for ourselves full time for some number of years now
1:15:02has rendered as completely unemployed I am certainly well-known and I think I
1:15:12think that if I needed to get a job I get certainly final and I you know and
1:15:17then I think I would be I would be let go with this is this is one of the
1:15:25things that surprised me about this whole thing was I got a lot of new
1:15:30clients from Max parking people had been listening to me in their ear you know
1:15:34how r podcasting in writing for all these years now I can I could actually
1:15:38use you to help me with some stuff and and that was a surprise to me I had no
1:15:44expectation of any legal business from this and so I was kind of nice but but
1:15:51it's also give me more time so you know I'm working from home and office paper
1:15:56come home more than I go into the office and I love it you didn't think that we
1:16:00like years ago back when you said here's my new work shoes and you had a pair of
1:16:05slippers here and I don't you probably don't even know every since then that
1:16:11has stuck in my brain and its kinda pissed me off and Mike grouper can have
1:16:15those slippers as workers I need to find a way to make it work and they have
1:16:19their good that's the big time go by pierce the junker my my year of work
1:16:26shoes is right now in the socks period just one pair socks then it'll go to
1:16:34it'll be flip flops sooner and you know like after WWC it'll be more slip lobby
1:16:43then I'll go back to stocks and then go to slippers yeah well you got you get
1:16:48the seasons they're just bare feet pretty much and I'm upset though at the
1:16:52slippers I think the Swedish couple years old and that it was the best
1:16:56person has ever had
1:16:58and I wore a hole through them and and i couldnt today that I forget where they
1:17:05live bottom but I went back and they didn't have anymore and I really wish
1:17:10that I had done when I always think I'm gonna do which is what I find something
1:17:14like that I really like just pull a Steve Jobs and by like 20 of them and
1:17:17put them in a closet and then you know I never thought about it again for the
1:17:22rest of my life the best chance eyes yeah exactly why not
1:17:26although there's a thing of Steve Jobs who had a lot more space to store things
1:17:30like yeah my wife she's like don't buy more but you know I feel like I could
1:17:38take him out of the boxes you mean I guess if I could take him out of the
1:17:41boxes at Liberty could you could put that all in one box I'm definitely one
1:17:47of those habit people like when I had a nice going into the office every day and
1:17:52I didn't have court I had like eight pairs of lands in grey slacks and like
1:17:5912 blue shirts and everyday wear the same thing and every office that I was
1:18:04such a weirdo but it just made so much sense to me to get out of bed and shower
1:18:10and put that on that was the uniform I think that the slippers I love the most
1:18:13wetlands and actually and then they stopped making them and in fact I go
1:18:18through slippers this job is so hard David I've gotta go through slippery so
1:18:22fast I have in fact I've noticed that the slippers that I've been wearing last
1:18:26year too now that they're sort of put away for the warm weather I notice that
1:18:32they're sort of worn through the joke about was a grandfather was a coal miner
1:18:38maternal grandfather was a coal miner had mine as well i mean he also tied up
1:18:44black long I mean it's just me stop and think about it or my father grandfather
1:18:49and during the depression they have any money they would go out into the
1:18:52backwoods of Massachusetts and truck trap red fox and that's how they that's
1:18:58how they ate and that's how they got by
1:19:00and I'm sitting here going to find on this watch if you was here he would just
1:19:08laugh I know I think the one hand I think on the one hand my grandfather
1:19:12would have been no I think first he would have been very very proud because
1:19:17I think it was exactly the way he personified that American dream of I
1:19:22want my kids to have better life than me in all my mom was a registered nurse
1:19:27went to nursing school and her brother was like a trade school and was into
1:19:34like electronics like sort of -ism that the gadget power still does he's using
1:19:40the first guy I knew my life who had a video game system hooked up to a TV palm
1:19:44pre pre Atari 2600 back in the 77th I might add you know but they both of them
1:19:53ended up with white-collar jobs well registered nurses will be hard to call a
1:19:58physical but it's you know it requires you know and education and it's
1:20:05certainly better than coal mining and I think it would have been delighted that
1:20:08his grandson you know a job that is you know like mine but I and i dont know
1:20:13that he would have had much tolerance for my complaints about the my I can
1:20:18vary blue-collar roots showing my my dad was actually really concerned when i
1:20:23said im gonna go to law school he's like that's going around you he says you know
1:20:26there's just no way you'll be able to be a decent person and a lawyer and it's
1:20:31funny because he was totally honest when he said it and it has affected my life
1:20:36in so many ways that that concern it's always in the back of my head and
1:20:40and you know it points in my legal career where I could have jumped right
1:20:44or left it always you know I was jumped right because of that statement you know
1:20:49it's interesting how your parents if I had it I took an Instagram me put it in
1:20:54here I took an Instagram the other week and I'll let it slide this is like my
1:21:00thing and it's i I get when I get criticism well I just have a thick skin
1:21:05that stuff side but that's the picture I took and its there's a hotel couple
1:21:11blocks away here in Philly it's a real seedy motel if you look at the Yelp
1:21:16reviews for its called the Parker spoofs it's like the type of literally is the
1:21:21type of hotel we can go in and you know you can get it by the hour and it is
1:21:28closing I didn't know this until after I took this picture but it was a picture
1:21:32these guys taking mattresses out of the hotel and the mattresses from Mike seedy
1:21:39hotel that rent by the hour
1:21:42really pretty bad looking mattress yeah I thought was fascinating but I that
1:21:48capture it is known grows up thinking they'll be one of the guys who
1:21:51disposable batteries from a seedy hotel and and a lot of people are comments are
1:21:56like wow what a dick you comment you know like I was making fun of these guys
1:21:59and that I guess you could read it that way but that isn't what I meant at all
1:22:02honestly to me it was just like a slice of life and I have nothing but total
1:22:07respect for these guys I did those guys that when I thought as I walked past
1:22:11them is as I had thought like when I think about my grandfather those guys
1:22:15are working for live that's
1:22:17job taking those potent down those mattresses out of a hotel and it may not
1:22:24hot but that hotel is not air-conditioned you know i mean and
1:22:28moving one is is hard work and these guys are moving and I don't know what to
1:22:32say the least a dozen of them there that's all I meant by I thought it was
1:22:38so weird that people jumped on me as though I was marking his people I just
1:22:42thought like hey you know my my thought was that people were gonna read this
1:22:45maybe this will help you appreciate you know whatever it is you do that is
1:22:48probably a
1:22:49love ice arduous then moving mattresses it's so easy to get in trouble on the
1:22:55internet for history with an audience yourself and i just i just let it slide
1:22:59but anybody who saw that he thought I was making fun and I really didn't mean
1:23:03it that way at all I meant that I can I keep talking earlier I mean you would go
1:23:09back to work for software developers that's what it do you know or you know
1:23:13whatever I i would dig ditches if that's what it whatever it takes you know i
1:23:17mean and you know I just think we're lucky that were able to get by without
1:23:21have to do that stuff this point exactly side I'd be really lousy
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1:24:45one
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1:27:26and filmmaking from here so what else we got to talk about I got a new Mac he
1:27:37asks I did want to talk to you about that I got pulled in on the new MacBook
1:27:43superlight twelve-inch
1:27:46this is all right you did tell me you got that you did not tell me which color
1:27:51I'm going to use my psychic powers to predict that you purchased spacecraft
1:27:57but I mean it's something different but it's not cold
1:28:05you know the fact that you can order when I remember when you have to pay
1:28:08extra for the black one definitely have the plastic yeah that's true and it's
1:28:17true watch right talk about the missing link like the space black bracelet watch
1:28:23costs more than stainless steel now that's not more than just a color that
1:28:27was not the standard size today that diamond-like whatnot diamond like carbon
1:28:31what the hell is a diamond-like carbon DLC coating is a real thing and it
1:28:36actually does add value you know it arguably does add value to about any way
1:28:41you'd have to pay more for him because of the switch in my life I used to go to
1:28:48work for the man every day and I had a 15 inch Retina MacBook Pro it's the
1:28:52first the very first read the MacBook Pro and it's a great computer and it's
1:28:57it's a it's a beast you know in the nice big screen when you're sitting at your
1:29:00desk eight hours a day is fine but now that I've switched top I don't need I
1:29:05have a right now I'm back at home and I'm working on that a lot and not using
1:29:10the laptop as much but I still need one so I thought you know what I'm kind of
1:29:14as a second computer this may work for me and I was a little worried about the
1:29:18keyboard so I decided to to buy one and just see you know they've got a 14 day
1:29:23return policy if it's just terrible I'll take it back but I stuck with it and I'm
1:29:28gonna sell the MacBook Pro and and I really liked it I mean it's it's cool
1:29:34having something so light and slam you know we joke in my life now is
1:29:39Disneyland because my wife is a complete Disneyland nice to be Jungle Cruise
1:29:43skipper know I can totally see you were probably exxon I was people waited for
1:29:49my they would say I want his boat away and I'll tell you someday I'm gonna be
1:29:54at WWDC sit down and I will tell you some great job
1:29:54at WWDC sit down and I will tell you some great job
1:30:00but in terms of jungle cruise captain ideal as I think I don't think Steve
1:30:05Martin actually was on the don't think so but yeah there there's actually some
1:30:11interesting people that are former skippers it was so much fun I mean it
1:30:15was like the greatest job and had it through high school even my son in law
1:30:20school I would go down there and work nights cuz I just needed money and like
1:30:25the boats would get stuck at Disneyland it's an old right system and the boats
1:30:29would derail you be stuck out there like 30 minutes and you know you can't do
1:30:35anything in a way for the guy to come to yank the boat back on the rail and I'd
1:30:39be like telling people how to break their leases and stuff but you know it
1:30:46was so but now that I'm like I have more control my schedule my wife what's good
1:30:50times all driver up there and then I like go like over to a quiet restaurant
1:30:56with this new laptop and sit there and write contracts for two or three hours
1:30:59and I really liked it but the site is it's a nice computer that the keyboard I
1:31:05don't think is as good as the standards standard keyboard but it's good enough
1:31:11well and it's why I feel like the using typing on the glass for lo these many
1:31:17years has lowered our standard for what's an acceptable Keyport
1:31:22get you know in my opinion and again i've talked to people that Apple about
1:31:25this and they said you know that for the iPad like this around the era when
1:31:32Microsoft Surface first came out and really kind of hung its hat on the fact
1:31:37that the cover had a physical keyboard and there is a lot of speculation that
1:31:42Apple Michael out something like that who knows maybe they still will someday
1:31:44maybe they will with this iPad bro thats rumored to be coming but then I heard
1:31:49from a couple of you is you cannot you cannot overstate just how good like some
1:31:58kids are today
1:31:59typing on an iPad and my kids who don't have ingrained habits for physical keep
1:32:05keyboards
1:32:06are so blazingly fast typing on an iPad you just can't believe it's you know and
1:32:11that the long you know skating to where the puck is going is not worrying about
1:32:15you know those of us with habits on old cookie keyboards my 18 year old can type
1:32:22on an iPhone as fast as I can
1:32:25are probably very close to us fast I can type on a keyboard as a touch typist and
1:32:29knowing that she can type on an iPhone while not look yeah I've seen it I
1:32:34believe it I totally believe it and it's you know again it just plays it it did a
1:32:39little different than the iPad argument but not really is that plays into that
1:32:42argument of you know back in 2007 2008 even 2009 as people who are used to buy
1:32:49groceries and stuff we're thinking about switching like well you know when when
1:32:53they come out with the hardware keyboard someone like me who needs the type can
1:32:56type you know there is this assumption that anybody was getting by on and no
1:33:00physical keyboard iPhone doesn't really type on it as the truth is there are
1:33:04people who type lots of stuff on them they don't type the traditional method
1:33:09but they still be able to you know O'Malley types a lot of his blog post on
1:33:14his phone on his iPhone he does he he you know I've seen him do it he he you
1:33:19know and he's I can't say that he's fast probably is like a teenager but you know
1:33:23he's going as fast as he wants to be a writer
1:33:27well with this computer the Retina screen to me was the big win cause I
1:33:32really need a Retina screen i've I cannot use a computer without around I'm
1:33:36always wanted a slim notebook in fact somebody wants loan me an 11 inch and I
1:33:42tried it for a while and it just the screen I couldn't look at it just bugged
1:33:46me every time I looked at it and this is great but that the really crazy thing
1:33:49about this computer is I have this external iPhone charger
1:33:55that's when I got off Amazon I think it's you know it's a medium sized
1:33:59charger I got thinking I wonder what would happen because the power is going
1:34:03through the USB what would happen if I plug the battery into the laptop would
1:34:08the laptop recharge the battery or the battery recharge the laptop
1:34:14so I bought off Amazon a USBC male to USB the old USB standard whenever it is
1:34:22a B cable and and I just plugged in the battery to the laptop and it charge the
1:34:29laptop which is awesome
1:34:32smoky brick type things you had it say they have to pull it out but I mean it's
1:34:38I think I paid like 30 bucks for it it's like I'm not having that try and say
1:34:43what the electronic trading as I look it up and tell you about the it's it's just
1:34:47something that you're supposed to buy to charge your iPad or iPhone you know it
1:34:51if you plug it in to and it charges up and it's got I think two USB ports on a
1:34:56female USB ports and you plug in the new plug it into your phone but the thing
1:35:00charges up the laptop and it if the laptop to rate me and it basically
1:35:05treads water you know it doesn't lose power and the battery goes out slowly of
1:35:10this thing but I'm able to at like five hours of battery life to it so now I've
1:35:15got that kind of hours you know exactly and then I did an experiment where I
1:35:21turned it I ran it down to think 10% and then just played the fully charged
1:35:25battery into it with the bed and it's very slow I mean it's not like charging
1:35:28really fast but when I woke up it was a like 75% it was like she so it was able
1:35:34to put a lot of charge back into the laptop so so now I really feel like I
1:35:39can go anywhere because I've got this little battery in a USB cord and this
1:35:43little light laptop and I can go anywhere in the world and just work for
1:35:46a long time I feel like as time goes on Apple and and apples prowess at
1:35:52designing a working with medals and miniaturized components grows more and
1:36:01more you have to see their stuff in person to get and I think the watch is a
1:36:07perfect example of it I mean they've they've done to commercials they they
1:36:11have a website that they've had ups in September with hundreds of super high
1:36:15quality photos of the watches every watch every band
1:36:19from every conceivable angle and I can't tell you how many times I've got an
1:36:23email from readers and listeners who said you know I was kind of going to
1:36:27wait for her to point out and then I saw the watch and I was like oh my god I can
1:36:31provide in order one on April 24th as soon as they saw it but only when I saw
1:36:35it in person and I feel like a difference between the MacBook Airs are
1:36:39all of the whole MacBook line and the new MacBook
1:36:43you have to see them it when you see it in person it I I thought you know I'm I
1:36:51I like the idea of a minimal map I was sort of like maybe I should have just
1:36:55bought a new 13 inch MacBook Pro last year so I mean I'm not really in the
1:36:59market to replace it now but it did make me think maybe I should have waited a
1:37:04little longer because it does seem like something you know if I have read a
1:37:07five-game Mac iMac at my desk and I'm only using the MacBook away from it
1:37:12that seems a great and then I saw in the store and it was just like an emotional
1:37:16thing takes in the sports car you know it's like so much smaller and I i use
1:37:21the 11 inch air for years just because I like the idea of the smallest possible
1:37:25notebook that you can with a full time with a full-size keyboard just can't
1:37:31adding a blew me away with how much it looked more like an iPad with a keyboard
1:37:34then a MacBook I get just internet portability and size and you get the Mac
1:37:40operating system right yeah still is you know gives you a lot of automation stuff
1:37:45just really can't do realistically with a knife it's it's great i love it and
1:37:50I'm very happy with it except I I would not sell the keyboard and the keyboard
1:37:56is different and it I'm used to it now it's like there's a there's like a happy
1:38:00medium because if you press too hard on it or just training yourself because
1:38:04they're just not that much travel so your bike over pressing but then you
1:38:09start pressing lighter because you don't want over harassing you actually miss
1:38:12keys you don't you don't get the full you know throw the key and there's like
1:38:16a sweet spot in the middle I think I've got it now but it took me a few days to
1:38:19kind of get used to my thing is I've never liked any laptop keyboard and I've
1:38:24always appreciated that Apple does their best and really does like I remember a
1:38:28couple years is obviously a couple years
1:38:30Steve Jobs but at one point they were he was introduced in one of the new some
1:38:33new MacBook and said something about their keyboard engineers and he said yes
1:38:37by the way we really do have some engineers who all they do his work on
1:38:40keyboards I appreciate that I can yet shows and it's totally not surprising to
1:38:46me that there are some smart guys in women and Apple we've just dedicated
1:38:51their dedicated to making kickass keyboards or making the biggest Asus
1:38:57keyboard they can given this size constraints of something like the Holy
1:39:03appreciate that I think I can do I know that I probably would like a quite as
1:39:06much as the MacBook Pro which has more throw but I like my old leaven that I
1:39:11used for years had less the road than the 13 inch MacBook Pro Keyboard
1:39:15you know I got used to it annulment cause nothing compares to a nice desktop
1:39:19keyboard in my opinion and just the ability to take it anywhere with you and
1:39:24when it's this light you really can take it anywhere with you and that is
1:39:28something special that that charger by the way looked it up it's an anchor I
1:39:32got off Amazon its 12800 million power charger and its I just can't get over
1:39:39that shit hundred-million piled up and try to put
1:39:47but just the fact that an iPhone charger can charge my laptop and unlike ours to
1:39:53it is crazy but that's where we are now I do you think he gets it you know
1:40:00everybody digs on that there was an article that said the processor matches
1:40:04like the 2011 MacBook Air which may be accurate at least I I got the upgraded
1:40:09one I didn't get the entry I got the second tier but the but I don't think
1:40:14those articles are really fair to it in terms of like memory access and the SSD
1:40:18speed because it works fine I'm not using it to you final cut or iBooks
1:40:24Author I'm using it for things like you know on the focus and and word
1:40:29processing and email and so far and stuff and it's just fine for that stuff
1:40:33it again I did and I feel like as much as you would if you're torn before you
1:40:43see it it's like I feel like once you see them in person and had to settle and
1:40:47it's like you can tell yourself in the abstract that you know maybe you know
1:40:53just wait a couple years before I get a Retina screen MacBook I'll just get the
1:40:56the MacBook Air because I want more I want a couple of USB ports or I want
1:41:01whatever I want the extra performance in the way that the 13 inch MacBook Pro or
1:41:06MacBook Air is still faster than this new MacBook go see it in person like you
1:41:11just get this emotional and to me the MacBook Airs look suddenly looks so
1:41:15dated in the Apple Store like nine Retina screen and its funny cuz I've
1:41:21been depressed about the fact that the vision problems that have been thinking
1:41:25like all my life i've been waiting for the right now I've always known it was
1:41:29coming up we get these displays at a fight print quality resolution as I got
1:41:32when I turn you know it the forties and my vision starts to go and I have this
1:41:36thing in my lifetime so you know what though it's I get actually is the
1:41:39opposite its like the red the screens actually help you know like the fact
1:41:42that my vision isn't so good it's not that I can't appreciate the way I would
1:41:45if everything had gone right now like in my thirties or let alone my twenties got
1:41:50it would have been amazing when my eyes were fantastic and I could see
1:41:53everything super super tiny but even with promise it looks better it's a
1:41:58totally tell you know looking in on the screen is it just looks it's gross in my
1:42:05opinion and I got this theory that you know the MacBook Air is this gonna go I
1:42:12think it's you know it's just like when the MacBook Air came out the MacBook at
1:42:19the time eventually went away
1:42:21eventually the new MacBook is gonna become the standard machine and then the
1:42:25MacBook Air is going to become
1:42:27I think I think the formula is very simple and I think people over thought
1:42:31this I think it's simply the fact that the entry level price once it goes down
1:42:37it really can't go back up and the entry level price for a Mac laptop has dropped
1:42:44$8.99 and that was a couple of years ago when they first added the 899 11 inch
1:42:51MacBook Air right yeah it's been awhile but there's a reason why they haven't
1:42:57dropped it further and you know part of the reason is that Apple just doesn't do
1:43:02you know compete low end but I think it's so that when they make a transition
1:43:06like this they don't have as far to go to catch up and I feel like the MacBook
1:43:10Airs go away as soon as they can sell the current entry-level MacBook one or
1:43:17whatever we want to call it you know the MacBook one port for $8.99 yeah it so I
1:43:23feel like you know you're from now they'll come out with new MacBook ones
1:43:28with new specs at the price that it's at right now and they can sell the one they
1:43:32already are making right now for $8.99 and then at that point the MacBook Air
1:43:35goes way but they can't do it they couldn't do it now because they couldn't
1:43:39just say all right you know you should be able to buy a Macbook Air for a 99
1:43:43but now it starts it
1:43:44$11.99 and even just the way they named it tells you that speaks in fact it's
1:43:49almost like the biggest Telegraph strategically you know their future
1:43:54strategy and that I can ever think of from them are in fact that the
1:43:59enterprise $12.99 so it's even higher so it's got a ways to go I can't even see
1:44:05them doing maybe maybe if they could get it to 999 I could see them sort of and
1:44:11maybe what they would do at that point
1:44:13is is dropped the 13 inch MacBook Air and only keep the 11 inch around at 899
1:44:21like maybe phase out the 13 inch first and only key and only keep one model and
1:44:28the 11 inch around which is the a99 if they could you know once they can drop
1:44:32this one did 999 but that's the only thing holding them back there and they
1:44:36usually they have no sympathy for the people who need two USB ports or
1:44:40whatever and usually they are pretty eager to get rid of old stuff but then I
1:44:46look at their still selling a MacBook Pros with spinning disks and I'm so I'm
1:44:50kind of surprised those are still on the market it's funny what they're willing
1:44:53to keep around at the entry level I'm not sure what the market at this point
1:44:58is for that the spinning disk MacBook MacBook Pro I gotta feel like that might
1:45:04be of all the devices in the Mac line that so there's only the 39th Ryder do
1:45:12they have a fifteen-inch to now there is no 15 into the spending despite spending
1:45:16desk
1:45:17somebody from the education but my guess would be education they're gonna buy a
1:45:20Mac with being at the eleven of the 13 inch MacBook Air entry yeah I just don't
1:45:24see what the appeal is of the 13 inch entry-level MacBook Pro across 1099 I
1:45:30just don't see what the what the what the appeal is carrying all that extra
1:45:34weight around for something I guess it has better graphics than the MacBook Air
1:45:38I don't know some people would say probably mainly monkey people are very
1:45:44concerned about the loss of that optical drives like I wanna watch my DVDs on the
1:45:49airplane or whatever and I'll buy whatever Mac lets them do that I guess
1:45:53that's why I don't know that seems crazy to me though it just seems at least it
1:45:59seems on on Apple like to me for them to be worried about that
1:46:04yeah i dont spinning disks it's too seems you know the only reason to have a
1:46:10spinning disk is dead you know rip represented digital format yeah I S St
1:46:17transition and I was old enough to have remember the floppy die hard drive
1:46:22transition years ago I agree with him and then just a few years ago when we
1:46:27went to St FL to me like every computer just got WAY better I mean if you're
1:46:32listening you have a knesset in your computer yet that's like to go to SSDs
1:46:37can't fail I mean any all disks trail eventually in you know corruption can
1:46:42happen because the software not hardware but the stability of SSDs vs
1:46:48unreliability versus hard drives its just night and day it's just the
1:46:52craziest you know an end of the worst part is of all the things that can fail
1:46:57people don't have you no good backup you know the whole show that because I know
1:47:01did you guys are you know rightly so if there's anything to be religious about
1:47:05it having good backup you know policies in place
1:47:08duplication replication you know but let's face it a lot of people don't and
1:47:14if there's anything that's going to fail it's hard a spinning hard drive and it's
1:47:17like the worst thing to fail because it's the thing that could cause you to
1:47:20lose the stuff you care about most I imagined myself like is this like
1:47:24gray-haired old geek talking to some young and explain yeah it was spending
1:47:29$70 per minute and it had a little needle that would touch it and if it
1:47:35didn't touch in the right place all of your data was lost I just gonna look at
1:47:40us like we're driving models it tomorrow they work as well as they do I truly is
1:47:46a mechanically its mechanical marvel that it works as well as it does but you
1:47:52know if you think wow that seems like something you might fail frequently well
1:47:55exactly right
1:47:58yeah I told me that number I'm staring at this 13 inch MacBook Pro I cannot
1:48:01believe that it's actually like a current device that yeah I wonder if
1:48:07that's a difference between new Apple an old apple I wonder if they're more
1:48:11willing to keep stuff a little bit longer it's not you know that the
1:48:14MacBook Pro line isn't too complicated but it just sticks out a little bit and
1:48:18I'm not quite sure what the market is that have to be tried just switching
1:48:24gears have you tried the photos out have you tried this whole thing that you know
1:48:27what that's a great thing let's close out the show talk about photos but
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1:51:48marcar meantime he had his apps done and so I had all my ducks ducks have written
1:51:56several books and I had them done with fracture prints but because I'm a
1:52:00narcissist I hung them downstairs and like my family room whenever they see
1:52:05like this a while but covers and I don't know I can tell myself but it makes me
1:52:11happy just maybe I should emphasize photos but it really does work well with
1:52:15images of any kind I know I've been in Marcos office and i've seen his abs and
1:52:19they look great they really do i mean a app icons are so big somebody pointed
1:52:23out recently but like a app icon the asset for it take up more space than
1:52:31would have fit on a high-density floppy disk likes you can even fit in a bygone
1:52:36floppy disk it's so easy to say back in my day talking about this transition
1:52:43from bobbys
1:52:45alright so photos this was another reason I wanted to have you on the show
1:52:50so they blast episode I think I think just exactly what I said episode 255 Mac
1:52:59power users great episode you and Katie go really long on on the new photos from
1:53:04Mac and the whole iCloud photo sinking thing we don't have to repeat it here
1:53:10too great if anybody out there as users great episode really great introduction
1:53:15to the show and if you're interested in the details but long story short I think
1:53:21all of us were kinda skeptical but that's the story it seems to me like
1:53:25everybody for years has been saying I can't do cloud services that's that's
1:53:30their weak spots I can never gonna happen
1:53:32and they released this photos out and they've got the iCloud Photo Story
1:53:36granted you have to pay for missing you have a decent number of photos but but
1:53:42and I knew the new Photos app would handle libraries better than i photo did
1:53:46I mean I always had the impression for the last year to that they had moved
1:53:49their engineering resources to something new and photo I thought it was kind of a
1:53:53lingering but whatever the new thing was gonna be it was kinda display your
1:53:56photos just fine on your Mac but the big question mark to me was will design club
1:54:01photo thing work and when I make a photo on my phone will show up on my Mac and
1:54:06iPad no problem and will all this magic stuff they they showed off last year
1:54:10come true and you know in my opinion it did damned if they didn't pull it off
1:54:15and nobody's talking about it really i mean i mean we've talked we did a show
1:54:20on it we got a lot of people listening to our show I have done this field have
1:54:25only had like a couple people complaining about performance or clouds
1:54:29think I mean there are a lot of people heading this thing hardware like 30,000
1:54:33photo libraries and it's more that the skepticism was actually twofold is the
1:54:38first is general skepticism about Apple and cloud-based anything and then second
1:54:44is that when it comes to photos I think so many people had burned out on iPhoto
1:54:48and had run up to the performance limits like and you know bottom line I don't
1:54:55know where the line is I guess it probably depends a little maybe even on
1:54:58the size of the photos I know what kind of camera you're using to take the
1:55:01photos you putting in there but it is certain reasonable level of photos I can
1:55:05not like wow that's that's abnormal but like and probably just combined with the
1:55:11fact of how long
1:55:11digital cameras have been great so like iPhoto comes out in the early two
1:55:17thousands but though you know I live in the digital strategy of apple and
1:55:21everybody's only got hundreds of photos 1000 or 2000 and you know low in an hour
1:55:27in the 2010 and everybody everybody might have 10,000 photos and iPhoto
1:55:32wasn't dealing with that well and you know it's scrolling problems performance
1:55:37problems just everybody with you know there is a vibrant third-party market
1:55:42for utilities that would help you split up your iPhoto library
1:55:48you know and switch between different libraries because you know just keeping
1:55:53all your photos and one big library wasn't work working technically but the
1:55:57whole idea and so that's a great work around but the whole idea of having to
1:56:01manage all these libraries defeated the whole purpose of iPhoto in the first
1:56:04place which is supposed to be that you know hey you're not supposed to just
1:56:08throw out here is a place where you throw your photos and photos but the new
1:56:13photos promised people were skeptical about that but I think the truth is that
1:56:17you know quietly in the midst of all this hubbub about the watch Apple has
1:56:23solved a massive longstanding problem yeah and it and it works I mean I just
1:56:29try was running in the beta and I was thinking well it's the beta there's not
1:56:34that many people hitting the server blah blah blah but when I released my wife's
1:56:38libraries even bigger than mine and it uploaded trying and it's you know it
1:56:41just works so I'm really happy to see that you know I I'm sure there's a lot
1:56:47of smart people at Apple that knew that they had this reputation and this was
1:56:50something they needed to deliver on but but it really really does so I got
1:56:56excited about it and we we did a whole show on it and the reason the weird
1:57:02thing is I was going to write a book about gonna write a book called photo
1:57:05management for Mac and iOS and I had a whole lot on the Outlander is full of
1:57:10ideas and drop box and all these you know third-party services and it's a
1:57:14great was a great book but then I so using photos in like with this there's
1:57:19no book here i mean just used photos do you think and that's not that's not true
1:57:24for the pros I mean I'm you know there's there's a there's edge cases before most
1:57:28people this will solve your problem I do think that there
1:57:32is you know if there's a complaint to be had its that Apple's public statement is
1:57:37paraphrasing but that they're no longer developing appetizer or iPhoto in favor
1:57:44of the going all in on photos for Mac this is their new photo solution and I
1:57:49think the truth of it is that it falls somewhere in between
1:57:55it is a better it's certainly better at handling a large number of photos
1:58:00without question I don't see how anybody could deny that way better to me as an
1:58:05object of an object of statement on the subject of one way better than that
1:58:09handling a large number of photos then I put order was I think subjectively it is
1:58:13better at editing photos
1:58:15you know the tools I cropping and adjusting the I would almost say in
1:58:20comparison to iPhoto it is object of sleep better because like changing the
1:58:26amount of light in an image just turning up exposure doesn't do exactly that it
1:58:32it screws up other things whereas in this case if you turn up to make an
1:58:36image to add more light it turns down shadows as it does a whole bunch of
1:58:39stuff at once to make it better so they're they're bringing like having
1:58:43more professional editing abilities and that you don't get with iPhoto site even
1:58:48better for that they don't get the local changes like a pitcher you could locally
1:58:53you know increase the light in one section of Reg sure you can't do that
1:58:56anymore but I think you know if you're a pro user then and you really loved a
1:59:02picture you're probably not going to be happy to know and you know I don't know
1:59:06that there's a lot of them out there I know they're a or even if you're you
1:59:09know semi-pro prosumer whatever you wanna call it I know that there's a lot
1:59:12of people out there who honestly evaluated both Lightroom and Aperture
1:59:17and preferred temperature and I i'm a long time
1:59:20Lightroom user but not like any process just like to hold all pro very much on
1:59:26the sooner side of gross humor but I like later and I know that it's sort of
1:59:29like a funky you I but I like it and it to me it's not like an Adobe you I it's
1:59:34like it just a unique you I thought was very thought
1:59:37rural really like it but I told you can see why I even as a non at non
1:59:42professional photographer I can see the differences in Aperture and Lightroom a
1:59:45can see why people preferred aperture and those people are kinda left with the
1:59:51short end of the stick hair because photos doesn't do enough for them and
1:59:56they already had decided that they didn't like lightroom as much as a
2:00:00pitcher yeah yeah I mean just seem like the kind of a trend for people are using
2:00:05the pro apps from a family they're they're aiming lower I think what they
2:00:11say that middle or whatever they call it but they are but for most people I mean
2:00:16and I think that and I and I totally acknowledge those people are not going
2:00:20to be happy but for so many people such a great many more people they were
2:00:25completely baffled by what to do with their photos because they're taking you
2:00:30know hundreds of pictures at one event on their phone and they just leave them
2:00:33on their phone or they they figure out how to get it on to their Mac up there
2:00:37and they got a folder somewhere and it's not backed up and they can't access it
2:00:42and I just completely crazy and whereas with this new system we were at a family
2:00:47party and someone was talking about something that funny that happened in
2:00:502006 and I was able to pull up a picture of it on my phone and it just like blue
2:00:55their mind it is true I find that the way that they automatically you know the
2:01:04the interface that they've come up with this sort of years you know the year's
2:01:09level it's clearly you can't see what the the details are but just remember
2:01:15when something happened vaguely you can go back there and you know you remember
2:01:21it was sometime in August we went you know we went on a cruise in August of
2:01:242009 or divers who back to 2009 but down to about where August is you probably
2:01:30see a lot of blue
2:01:32on ocean and just are doing in there and you're going to find that photo yeah I
2:01:37was surprised how well it worked in a magazine like a great interface for an
2:01:41iPad or an iPhone and I think I'll I'm not sure if it's the best thing to do in
2:01:44the Mac but when I started playing with it you know really it is pretty nice you
2:01:49can just scroll you can see the year in a year as maybe it two or three inch
2:01:52block of very small thumbnails and so you can go back year is very easily and
2:01:59it's just you know it and having been in iPhoto with the crazies lag time for so
2:02:03long it's it feels like you know jumping into a sport I do think too that it
2:02:09plays into something that I've been saying for a while now and I know people
2:02:13sometimes over used the word quietly quietly but I do think that they've sort
2:02:20of quietly become and by but but not by luck not that they've done you know
2:02:26backed into it but purposefully have become arguably the leading camera
2:02:32company in the world or was certainly without question one of the leading
2:02:36companies in the world that they make devices now they just happen to be
2:02:40iPhones and iPad but they make devices that people use as their primary cameras
2:02:46or if not their primary it's an important camera to their life and part
2:02:53of that is more than just the today's world it more than just taking the
2:03:00photos it is everything that happened after them putting them in a place where
2:03:05you can instantly share them and having them be organized and the whole idea the
2:03:12old school way and we still need to do it if you're taking photos with
2:03:16third-party camera stand alone can you still need to be connected by usb or pop
2:03:20you know the card out and put it in your computer and import them but the idea
2:03:27that you need to do anything more than that to have them everywhere is just a
2:03:30non-starter at least in terms it should be and now with photos a kind of its
2:03:35yeah I i just i I cannot get over how little has been made of this but it just
2:03:42seems to me like this is a really good sign that
2:03:44you know Apple can figure out the club and they can do big data I think part of
2:03:49it is institutionally I think it is truly an important thing to them I
2:03:53really do and I think it's one of those things where there's a lot of people
2:03:56that Apple all the way up to the highest levels who are you know pretty serious
2:04:01about their photography I mean sure is definitely serious about photography I
2:04:04mean I know that for a fact league as a hobby
2:04:06you know it's like he's got a two or three things in his Twitter bio psych
2:04:11Apple two cars cars sports in photography or something like that it's
2:04:17interesting that the iPhone has a camera though you know when you first had
2:04:21pictures on the iPhone definitely a point and shoot was a better camera and
2:04:26now that's not the case anymore and I've got a mirrorless DSLR you know it's it's
2:04:32not a super nice one but it's nice and it takes better pictures at which point
2:04:37the Olympus PL five and about that
2:04:41twenty-millimeter pancake lens with it and it's a 1.70 belief and that's all I
2:04:47ever use I just use that pancake lens it's great but I'm getting to the point
2:04:51where I don't even use that 20 on that is in thirty five-millimeter equivalence
2:04:57is probably eat like forty ok yeah yeah yeah it's pretty tight but the but you
2:05:06know just a 1.7 is great you know you get a nice blurred background of the
2:05:10classical and like if you know later held cool advice on how do you learn to
2:05:14be a photographer's you get a fifty millimeter prime and put it on your
2:05:17camera and don't pretend like it doesn't come off
2:05:20yeah i hadn t 50 ahead on my old can can t buy 80 bucks growth market has a $90
2:05:29new from cannon and you can get the Japanese version that doesn't have the
2:05:33you s warranty for 80 which is what everybody I got the friend of mine had
2:05:38one point four was $300 but he sold to me used I got it cheap and I'm in Orange
2:05:45County cannons national repair facilities in early and like it's like
2:05:5180 bucks and I'll fix the lens and I had like that but once broke like two or
2:05:55three times because every time I let's seize the camera they would start
2:05:57cranking out like it was a zoom and just do something to it but I get her to
2:06:03carry that big ones I got the Olympus and now I'm going to the point where I
2:06:07must use this phone exclusively @ this not because I mean that the pictures are
2:06:11close enough for most things and having the geodata and everything there and
2:06:16having it already in my library the moment I take it to me are becoming so
2:06:20convinced that it's taking over for me is that it's my keep my my photos have
2:06:26always been our lease in the iPhone world post I've only had two two
2:06:32collections of photos the photos I took with my regular cameras which used to be
2:06:38an iPhoto years ago for the last ten years have been in Lightroom and then my
2:06:42iPhone photos which have been on live and I never bothered to put my iPhone
2:06:49photos into Lightroom because just didn't seem doesn't seem worth while and
2:06:55I didn't want to buy all wanted to keep on the phone and now in the new world
2:06:58they're both it goes both ways I not only have my iPhone photos on my Mac but
2:07:03I have any photos that I took you know that I take with a regular camera just
2:07:07magically show up on my phone
2:07:09well it seems like they've solved a big problem for me and I don't feel like
2:07:13we're not you know and again it's just the way we human beings are where we're
2:07:16we're more likely to spend time complaining about what isn't right then
2:07:19we are praising what goes well but I really do feel that the photos thing you
2:07:25know you can add a finally if you want but I really do feel like it's kind of
2:07:29gone unheralded and it really and I know it's not perfect I'm sure that there are
2:07:33people out there listening
2:07:34who had something go wrong during the initial uploader the importers ever but
2:07:39for the most part I there was a really clean launch and I think it worked
2:07:42really well and continues to work really well I think I know what time that I was
2:07:46blown away is to be taken screenshot with my watch
2:07:50screenshot with your watch and it shows up on your phone you know almost
2:07:54instantly at least since most cases by the time i unlock the phone it's already
2:07:58there and when I want to send it to somebody but I'm on my Mac I used to
2:08:02take screenshots on my phone in my care plan to myself to the Mac and then put
2:08:07it into chatter email and in like a week maybe they just show a guest H supposed
2:08:13to show up in the photos out and if you leave the Photos app running they just
2:08:16show up it's so great when I was doing my wife's 36,000 photo upload I figured
2:08:23the whole network was gonna be crashing and at the same time I did that I didn't
2:08:27around the book I did a video I did this big video on photos and I was testing it
2:08:31and literally like making corrections on my iPad and I've got my a MacBook Pro
2:08:37Open there while I'm doing the corrections and they show up almost
2:08:41immediately since I finished the correction and another thing that to me
2:08:47is super useful now because I can use my iPad and sitting around the TV and like
2:08:51everybody when I got a family event I shoot like 200 pictures of what's really
2:08:552001 she keep but I never have time to go through and sort that out so I ended
2:09:01up keeping all these pictures and I'm going back to the old offense and just
2:09:04like the iPad is very easy to see him and pick the ones you want to keep in
2:09:07the ones you want to delete and even make cropping adjustments a little
2:09:10things like that with your finger and it's the whole process now is easier and
2:09:15I i dont im I'm just really happy to see it I was worried if I had one worry
2:09:20about Apple the last few years it would seem like they had this whole with cloud
2:09:25services in obviously everything's heading that direction in a lot of ways
2:09:28and it seemed like they don't know you know there's a perception of
2:09:33institutional arrogance or that they feel like well are making so much money
2:09:36with other stuff
2:09:37we don't have to worry about that I was worried that one day they were gonna
2:09:40wake up and be irrelevant because they never got the crowd figured out and this
2:09:45to me is like a really great sign that they're they've been understand that
2:09:50I've got a lot of chores added me on the photo front because I'm not all and I've
2:09:53still got my last 10 years of photos there also might think what I'm gonna
2:09:58wanna do is export everything I've got the space I'll keep I'm not gonna like
2:10:03to lead the Lightroom library but I want to export everything and then imported
2:10:07into photos and have it there but when they are not I'm not sure about maybe
2:10:12you can answer is what goes on when you shoot RAW and you import on a real
2:10:19camera like like your Olympus you shoot right you should not anymore I used to
2:10:25write what he did you shoot RAW and it'll take pride in what sinks over to
2:10:30your iOS devices they did this as my photo take care of creating jpg
2:10:36else though the way it works is the thumbnails you're getting our super
2:10:41small that's the reason why you can see your library on your 16 gigabyte phone
2:10:46and then when you tap on 10 hits the internet and it pulls down a bigger
2:10:51version but it's not gonna pick down like your phone screen it's gonna it's
2:10:56still going to optimize when it downloads the image was explained to me
2:11:00in a way I i I discovered so you're never gonna get like the full-size image
2:11:06downloading to your phone I don't believe there's any way to do it you
2:11:08know they're gonna be did you go to max though and you're willing to the gyno
2:11:14there's a setting I forget what they call it but there's a setting that's
2:11:17like optimized photo storage and what that does is it means do you really want
2:11:22all of your photos here locally and in the cloud or do you just wanna have
2:11:27these thumbnails and will pull them down onto man and i know i on your last
2:11:30episode you had the good advice that I at least one of your Mac's you should
2:11:33definitely have it so that your whole libraries there just it in the name of
2:11:39duplication so that as much as I like it I don't want to give up everything in
2:11:43the cloud and say it's a phrase because why not have it
2:11:46both places just in case the server you know that something happens on the high
2:11:50club photo storage and your photo get library in the iCloud gets corrupted
2:11:54well you still got your photos on your Mac and then you can reupload just in
2:11:59case right murphy's law but what if you have to max and you want both Macs to
2:12:03have your full collection if you import raw on Mac a does Maccabi get the raw
2:12:08image to I don't know haven't tested that I know that Mac if both Mac and PC
2:12:16or downloading all images you're gonna get a belief full-size images on both
2:12:20Macs I would assume it that you get the wrong image but I i'm not question
2:12:26because like for edits you'd want the road version wherever you are and I you
2:12:31know and I'm wondering where the like your iPad is only going to get a JPEG
2:12:36yeah you know and even when you pull it down and get the full version of it just
2:12:41wondering where that jpg gets created it created on the cloud as a group created
2:12:46on your Mac while uploading to the cloud and I'm kind of suspecting that maybe
2:12:50get creative on your Mac which is why that blood processors CPU intensive not
2:12:56just network intense and when you think about the fact that you can crop that he
2:13:02downloaded version your iPad but it's still gonna crop the full version on
2:13:06your Mac I mean there was some serious engineering work to make that happen
2:13:12I mean this was not easy to think what else anything else you wanna talk about
2:13:17this week and it's all good he could spend it's been a pretty exciting couple
2:13:23months ago like Apple state totally agree and it's you know and and here we
2:13:27are heading right into WBC witches you know you know you know like the first
2:13:32half of the year this is like the peak and then you know though they'll go
2:13:36silent for two months and then internal RAM back up in September again but it's
2:13:40I'm going for the first time my life and going to WWDC my never been there before
2:13:43now I i've always going to Macworld but you know I like Emma powers are not a
2:13:48deal
2:13:48but you know macro side around anymore now my new employer has a very liberal
2:13:52policy so well you know Jason cell bridge I'm sure you saw a few weeks ago
2:13:57he wrote was therefore I'm where I forget now it's a used to be but now it
2:14:03is around here you know that the WBC is taking over it
2:14:07the hub of the Apple community world whether you're a developer or not which
2:14:12is weird because you know years ago you've never thought he'd never
2:14:16recommend someone who wasn't a development that they go to WBC I
2:14:19searched bill would recommend you try to get in the lottery ticket if you're not
2:14:22gonna actually taken out in even try try but the but it's gonna be fun being up
2:14:28there are so many friends are gonna be there i'm talking it I'm not sure
2:14:32francis Taylor I think imma be talking to all count about stuff so yeah and
2:14:37then there's a new conference layers what is the URL for the layers
2:14:42conference I'm actually talking at that one is bringing your layers dot com but
2:14:52if you just type players conference I'm sure it'll come up and it's like that
2:14:56Tuesday and Wednesday of WBC week and it is literally right around the corner I
2:15:00mean like whatever hotel about anybody would pick for going to moscow me where
2:15:05the layers conferences is in its it sounds funny that it's in the mall but
2:15:09it's a very strange Mahal up on Market Street on the self-employed budget hotel
2:15:16I am at the Mosser and I don't have my own bathroom so
2:15:20gonna be my wife said well all my you know you know sometimes I would prefer
2:15:28not to be around people you know sometimes you just not good at getting
2:15:31out the sole solve that problem for me because I'm not gonna wanna be at my
2:15:35hotel at all so there's a bit like in the lobby but I think it's a great and I
2:15:40do you know the Catholic upbringing and such that there's a guilt like I feel
2:15:46like you know you gotta have some kind of work really you can't just gonna
2:15:49boondoggle he got to have some kind of way to justify a trip like this but
2:15:52there's so many things all competitions this new layers conference which still
2:15:55looks great and it's they call it Design Conference for the Mac and iOS community
2:16:00you don't have to be designer to go but it's certainly if you are this fantastic
2:16:05thing that's great deal a tremendous line of the speakers but then you can be
2:16:08there for the week and it really is there's no 2012 WBC is now at Macworld
2:16:14used to be which is the hub where you know people like me and you can get
2:16:18together we don't see each other very often I haven't seen you since macworld
2:16:21some number of years ago I believe ya a couple years ago and that the difference
2:16:26of macro gave normal users a chance ago and just kind of see what's new I mean
2:16:30there was a need that we've lost with macworld and I don't know with somebody
2:16:35ever is gonna try and fix that but you know it's still not a complete
2:16:40replacement for Mac well but it's the best we got at this point you know I
2:16:44guess I should say cuz I know people are asking I'd last couple of years I've
2:16:48done a live version of the talk show during WWDC and that is on again as well
2:16:54that will be on Tuesday night as it has been the last few years nothing to
2:16:59announce in terms of ticket training but I think what I do and is why I'm
2:17:04bringing up on the show is so that listeners of the show get the first
2:17:09crack at it is next episode whatever no index episode next week I'll talk about
2:17:14it on the show before I announced it under a fireball and so if you want to
2:17:19get together and has sold I have to admit it has sold out every year so
2:17:24if you want to get in best way to get in
2:17:27would be to wait for me to announce not this show next week's show which should
2:17:31be pursued 128 believe and quick download the show start listening and
2:17:37then I'll give you the you know listen to the show and then you'll know where
2:17:41to go to buy tickets for Tuesday night freedom to stay and totally go into that
2:17:46account
2:17:47hearing you not to worry about it I'm just really looking forward to it in a
2:17:51couple weeks so I don't know what to expect but I'm gonna be I'm gonna be on
2:17:56the road that week not gonna be hanging out in my hotel room with no bathroom
2:18:00David sparks will need to borrow your bathroom so just be like in the hotel
2:18:08lobby those of you who are coming just be willing to offer David you need to
2:18:14bring like you need to bring an external battery pack for your iPhone and you
2:18:18need to bring a port-a-potty and a toothbrush toothbrush somebody should
2:18:24make an external battery pack for that it has a little toothbrush that flips
2:18:28out the side I stayed at the Mosser once years ago from a cold I was they had me
2:18:32like giving like the one of the very first sessions and like one of the very
2:18:35last
2:18:36and his back when macro when the whole week and I saw ended up having need like
2:18:40seven days there and wanted to save money so I got one and it's great
2:18:43because the sink is right next to the bed you can't just sit up in bed
2:18:48pressure tees where is the mosque I know its next door to Moscow DME it's the
2:18:53best I've never stayed there
2:18:58yeah I just decided this year I was gonna go on the cheap I have totally
2:19:04gone there on the cheap over the years and you know I did you know what a lot
2:19:08of the cheaper hotels in that area there it's easy to complain about but there
2:19:11you know there's widespread it's great it's right there you can just go back to
2:19:16drop stuff off its nice but it when they tell me they say well we don't even have
2:19:20any rooms left with bathrooms I'm like well how exactly does that work with a
2:19:25community like bathroom floor rooms you go out in the hallway and you can you
2:19:30lock yourself in there like ok I'm definitely not going to be spending much
2:19:34time at the hotel
2:19:36yeah but like you said that they are coming up there to to hang out I do
2:19:43think they only did the downside WTC isn't that big compared to so many other
2:19:47conferences there because it you know the Moscone West has pretty significant
2:19:52limitations on attendance just can't make it bigger but there's a lot of
2:19:58people who go now who aren't going to don't have WBC passes but nowhere near
2:20:04as big as like Oracle world for GDC even the game developer conference some of
2:20:13those ones that take up Moscow Nissan Quest have and the hotel prices
2:20:17skyrocket there was one year where the new iPad event I think it was while the
2:20:25iPad 2 still coming out in the spring
2:20:29coincided with one of those conferences and I dunno got the invitation in a
2:20:36press pass you know the typical Apple you know came out like a week before the
2:20:40event and went to book and I like all of the hotels were like eight hundred
2:20:45dollars a night what how and it was because of this mega conference so WBC
2:20:51we didn't like that but the overall boom in San Francisco and the way the economy
2:20:56is just on fire there has really driven up hotel prices that's the biggest
2:21:02that's the biggest downside to having this thing in san Francisco is that it
2:21:07you know for people who are on a tighter budget it it kind of stinks gonna be fun
2:21:11now
2:21:12couple of years ago like round 2008 2009 because of the economic you know should
2:21:20show the world they would come help because it was a wandering fireball was
2:21:23still really flying low to the ground economically
2:21:26you be able to get like a fourth four and a half star hotel for like a hundred
2:21:30and seventy-five dollars but there are a couple of years for WBC where there's a
2:21:34gang of us who were staying at the InterContinental which is literally
2:21:37right next to me it's like physically connected to moscow and we got we got
2:21:41deals on Hotwire for like $175 and hits a serious not happen in this year is
2:21:47nowhere near like that but it was it was fantastic you know who's really really
2:21:52really did not have the budget for six nights in San Francisco anyway I will
2:21:57see you there
2:21:58thank you for being here let's get some plugs in man do you have stuff to pluck
2:22:00I guess the big club for me just make sparky dot com that's where all the
2:22:06stuff is sax party dot com your new photos from Mac field guide is there you
2:22:11can just go to maxpreps.com and there's a big linked to it and sidebar but it's
2:22:14just max market outcomes / photos
2:22:16this is a two and a half hour screencast tutorial guide like make like a book in
2:22:25screencast for ya like it was going to do a book but this one it's just one
2:22:30outfit made more sense it's a look over my shoulder and learn it as what kinda
2:22:34weird making it cuz you some of my you know I use my family at library cuz you
2:22:38need where am I gonna do it where have 30,000 photos that I can use as an
2:22:41example so but it's great and I think I just want soup to nuts and at the end
2:22:46and two and a half hours which was probably longer than I would have liked
2:22:50it to be but cover everything so there you have it costs 10 bucks now I on your
2:22:56show you track your hours that you put into this is embarrassing know you you
2:23:02you're you're embarrassed by this user
2:23:04you spent 81 hours in the production 383 hours in the production of this cricket
2:23:09so in other words I don't think that's embarrassing and although I think that's
2:23:13the way film and video production is i mean that's why it takes you know three
2:23:18months shoot and to a net 22 years of pre-production for Star Wars movie
2:23:23coming out right like you you know and it does start was moving every two hours
2:23:27you know it's
2:23:28a long time but that 10 bucks it's crazy good deal but in other words this is not
2:23:34David did not just turn on the screencast thing and start talking for
2:23:37two hours which is exactly what I do with the podcast it's not like that at
2:23:42all
2:23:42imagine if this imagine if the show had gone on 480 hours and then painstakingly
2:23:46we picked out the two hours of it they were solid gold that's what this is like
2:23:51so for 10 bucks it is absolute steal and if you have any kind of interest in the
2:23:55new photos pretty much makeup you know both that and the the the the sinking
2:24:02iCloud you know everything so they go you gonna max party to get that and you
2:24:08got your show over at the Mac power user show it real edad FM / end P U and Pu is
2:24:16Mac power users yet about the markdown book yeah why not every time to plug the
2:24:27markdown book would be your first appearance on the talk show I wrote that
2:24:32book with Ed Smith and I i talked about mark down a lot on the Mac power users
2:24:37cause I just think it's so awesome I mean under lawyer side of my life in my
2:24:42industry runs on Microsoft Word but I like to have text in a very mobile agile
2:24:48format I want to be able to open it on my iPad or my Mac or whatever so I was a
2:24:53big proponent of using text until the very end and then letting someone
2:24:57formatted and then I found mark down and that like made it possible for me to do
2:25:01a lot of the formatting myself so I'm not the person you were thinking of when
2:25:05you you know gave birth to this but I still use it all the time and people
2:25:09were right in the show and say they don't understand it and it's not that
2:25:14hard him and you could figure it out but sometimes people want kind of a more you
2:25:18know a walker so any night this book and we did with screencaps that the whole
2:25:21thing you know how do you make emphasis on how do you and we picked some of our
2:25:25favorite apps that use markdown showed how you would write marked down and
2:25:28exported to various things you could do with it and
2:25:32I really need update that but frankly I'm gonna try talking to do an interview
2:25:35with me and the next update as we put some audio interviews in there with
2:25:38people that use markdown in their daily lives and it's a lot of fun and all
2:25:44those books I do and iBooks Author are really big I mean they're like you know
2:25:49you know they're going gigabyte size books because they all have like an hour
2:25:54and a half of video inside so given those books just be ready to give it a
2:25:59few minutes it down because there's a lot of data and I will I will tell you
2:26:03that yes I would do it for the next version of excellence but I never
2:26:12actually made myself available so I figured your business so busy lazy you
2:26:18know but anyway it's criminal they didn't because it's really an honor as
2:26:22the type of thing it's just a little thing that you never expected it I get
2:26:25like long story short I made marked down and I should give this to the world I
2:26:30shouldn't assume so good that I you know maybe everybody should use a nap put it
2:26:35out there and and didn't really take off that quickly it was very slow and people
2:26:43were still using it again I totally understand why but I get the little tiny
2:26:47bit of of of timing that was weird was I put mark down out there and like the
2:26:52next week was when base camp they viewed in an hour there just base camp company
2:26:58but the former thirty-seven seconds and I know Jason very well I know I know
2:27:03David you know everybody but everybody there I used to know everybody there and
2:27:10all the comments and messages in Basecamp was done using textile denounce
2:27:15thing which is sort of the same type of thing as marked down but different
2:27:19syntax and you know just told within one week it's a mark on the set of textile
2:27:29the mean obviously base camp was in development for you know I mean you can
2:27:33get make absolute trails pretty quickly but not only
2:27:36but I just had damn I wish I'd come out with the sooner because I bet they would
2:27:39use markdowns and then just gonna wear people some people with you know use it
2:27:44but then likes it was like the slowest surest like up take this slow steady
2:27:50thing and then all the sudden this thing and everything has marked down built
2:27:54into it and people are writing books about it and that to me is just crazy in
2:28:00my in my experience that reason markdown becomes irrelevant to me I was using it
2:28:04to write blog post from Max party which is great but what really made it a big
2:28:08deal to me was the fact that iOS has never really supported rich text very
2:28:12well and and even if it did I know I don't want to use rich textile ILS I
2:28:18just want things to be fast and the sink quickly you know this is before photos
2:28:22in approving its bones and so you know having plane tax that you can format and
2:28:28then open on iOS devices I mean mark callous so it was like a solution made
2:28:34for a problem that didn't exist yet I would disagree that the Mac OS doesn't
2:28:37support for rich taxed I got a great support for its text the problem is
2:28:42there's never been a rich text format that has been long term stability in a
2:28:48long-term stability but they always get old and then you can you lose it right
2:28:56that there's no credibility so even RTF which are to have a still supported
2:29:02great on Mac but they never reported the RTF stuff to iOS so anything you have in
2:29:07RTF doesn't go to iOS iOS is that that's the problem is I always you're stuck and
2:29:15if you want to write on your iPad and on your Mac you need a solution and
2:29:20markdown religious does that nicely in every it seems like every riding out I
2:29:26remember when that was like a preacher selling point of a new app that supports
2:29:30market analysis like everybody just support smart and it's just end it I
2:29:35talked to my friend Brent Simmons about it because I know brent was on my side
2:29:38but it's a little bit unrelated to mark down but there are you know around that
2:29:43time
2:29:43I'm late nineties in the 2000 there was the you know still was a living
2:29:49war over styled text versus plain text or e-mail why should you be sentenced
2:29:54I'll text email or you can hit him and I and the word is actually italicized
2:29:58should you be sending plain text email and I was staunchly on the side of the
2:30:02plane text that this was a protocol that was designed terminal era and it's
2:30:08everything should be plain text and that way everybody will be able to reach you
2:30:12know it'll look the right anywhere and clearly the plaintext side lost the war
2:30:18for email and nobody even really it's not even something people argue about
2:30:21anymore but it is really more of a case where we lost the battle emails just a
2:30:26battle but long-term plain text has has 1 overall I mean all sorts of new things
2:30:32are all just plain text Facebook is sort of a plain text platform Twitter is
2:30:36definitely a plain text platform nobody even thinks about it anymore and when I
2:30:40look at the stuff I wrote and Mac right in 1992 I don't know I'm sure there's no
2:30:46way I could get it but I don't know how I did it at this point and that's just
2:30:50gimme a reminder that you know the stuff I spend writing I want to be able to
2:30:55access forever and that's another reason why mark down this is a good I think
2:31:00people got thrown off because in the whole earlier species we kept getting
2:31:04more powerful CPUs bigger displays better rendering capabilities better
2:31:13access to you know collection of fonts cross platform etcetera etcetera so we
2:31:19could keep making things can turn fans here in terms of WYSIWYG textile and I
2:31:23love to design stuff but in terms of what the canonical storage format for
2:31:27the stuff should be I always thought it should always be plain tax because that
2:31:31way anything and everything that you do in the future be able to read it and I
2:31:34feel like the way people have caught on to that now where things like Twitter
2:31:37which was originally designed as I can sms platform and then turned into a web
2:31:41thing
2:31:41and now turned into a mobile thing and now people are going on our watches and
2:31:45stuff if everything is just plain text every time there's one of these new
2:31:49things that comes up it's all has to do is rendered text I'm just in some ways
2:31:54I'm glad I can access those old things I remember I had a fascination with the
2:31:58original San Francisco and I'm sure I used inappropriately a lot there was no
2:32:04appropriate way to use it but they are used it inappropriately period I need to
2:32:11be such a great Easter Egg if like that but not great Apple inheritance but if I
2:32:18K prefers if your Apple ID displayed everything in the Old San Francisco fun
2:32:23about it would be so awesome I anything else you want to plug David alright
2:32:29thank you so much for your time you have to be on again sometime say hello to
2:32:36Katie and I will see you next month
2:32:37WTC alright I thank you I'm gonna stop