0:00:16boy they do it you have no idea how long you been how I've been looking forward
0:00:27to this is a weird said I'm not sure I play it cool now I don't think it's only
0:00:33gets weird if anything I feel like one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you
0:00:36want to talk to you about this ever since we were in Montreal last year we
0:00:40both talk to each other and to be in super excited about the watch is that I
0:00:44feel like too many other people are playing it cool and they they're trying
0:00:49to resume yeah and it's and that's totally cool like to you know I think
0:00:56just being completely honest there's a whole lot of things to complain about
0:00:59too but I feel like I don't like not being excited about it was the fun in
0:01:04that yellow knows he's got I mean you gotta treat this like Christmas when I
0:01:09was probably seven years old I got it
0:01:13a transformer watch wristwatch that was a transformer for Hanukkah and I cried
0:01:18tears of joy tears of joy tears of transformer hannukah joy and I think
0:01:25that I there's a reason I shouldn't have the same reaction as opposed as opposed
0:01:31to the kid across the street who gotta go but watch and cried because they want
0:01:37more resembles the go bots
0:01:42go back to the original Samsung
0:01:49so you you know you reminded me that I used to be a watch guy I haven't reached
0:01:59so long but when I was a kid my grandfather was an accountant in one of
0:02:05his clients was a i think a reseller of Casio watches and so every like once a
0:02:11year he would hand me down the latest you know like the last year's version of
0:02:16a databank or whatever it was you know that was just you know I think that was
0:02:21like just early gadget guard gadget and like you said you know last year last
0:02:29you know your last episode with malt see you were talking about how inscrutable
0:02:33those interfaces where and how you basically had to memorize like the
0:02:38equivalent of you know any s yeah Contract Code yeah just in order to
0:02:45really get to know you know timer mode or something like that was a trip triple
0:02:49click the lower right button to get into the mode where you can set the alarm
0:02:53yeah which looked exactly like the mode for setting the time except that there
0:02:58was a little tiny but my good name that would flash that meant hey this is the
0:03:01alarm and then you would just have to know that you were saying the time for
0:03:05your alarm and not changing the time on the once he got there it felt so good
0:03:11yeah one of the things a little thing and I know that I think I feel like the
0:03:18two main points of like the big question marks is does it should anybody be
0:03:25excited about Apple watch in general as a good thing they might want to win the
0:03:30rest and then there's a whole other angle where I know that as time goes on
0:03:33to say things and I keep saying on Twitter when people you know people like
0:03:37to complain on Twitter on a few more notice that then they'll say like you
0:03:41mean you know and you say like this is really cool thing you can do it this is
0:03:44a nice part of wearing the watch every day and
0:03:47they say you mean exactly like every other smart watch on the market for the
0:03:49last two years
0:03:50ok yeah you know maybe they did you know you could give some points to some of
0:03:54these other guys free shipping first i mean but it doesn't take away that it's
0:03:58a nice part of the experience on the resume and one of those things when
0:04:02those little things that you never have to set the time on the watch yet once
0:04:06you've paired it with your phone it always just gets the time yeah that's
0:04:11that's that's one of those things it's completely invisible I did not have not
0:04:15once thought about that fact except it's just the time you take it for granted
0:04:18because clock set themselves now that's what clubs do right and i was thinkin
0:04:25bout with the context of those old digital watches I wrote about from my
0:04:28teenage years where I can even remember whether some of them and I guess I just
0:04:32went through them every couple years back then they weren't THAT expensive by
0:04:36the eighties like in the seventies did you watch is really expensive and by the
0:04:40eighties they were you know get an 8th grade son without thinking about it but
0:04:44i i think that I had some that that you could set the month even though it
0:04:49didn't show it like on the face because it was too much detail but then at least
0:04:53that way when late April 30th rolls around and goes to me first it doesn't
0:04:58tell you that it's the 31st I think but it was like you had to adjust was
0:05:03another thing you had to set the like of the bad right when you did change the
0:05:06battery and had to start over from scratch you had a set so many different
0:05:09fields the hour the date the time the day of the week
0:05:12you know what I but I think at that point technology we didn't we didn't I i
0:05:19dont know I this I might be wrong about this we weren't thinking for an advance
0:05:23to we wanted our gadgets to know how to do things themselves I don't think that
0:05:29I was an expectation was almost like now of course like a manual transmission you
0:05:33want that control you want like to take out of the box
0:05:36unfold the like 18 fold mostly Japanese instructions and then figure out what is
0:05:46the is the code you need to get to to to to get to you know world time or
0:05:53something like that
0:05:56yeah I wasn't even complaining about it and I didn't complain about it when I
0:05:59did it I thought it was a cool features like a this is great this way when you
0:06:03know a short month rolls around I won't have to worry about it I'll go through
0:06:07the house on now of setting everything so that I don't have to do it again
0:06:11yeah so are people asking you i mean obvious people in this people online
0:06:16obviously but people in the world are they seeing your watch and saying hey
0:06:21what do you think that yeah totally I i I'm about I haven't kept her exact count
0:06:28but if I had to guess I would guess that I'm 23 out of 25 for when I use Apple
0:06:34pay Whole Foods and that's about right
0:06:38it's been a little bit over a month and I go there just about every day I say
0:06:42about 23 out of 25 times the cashier has commented on it even though I'm
0:06:47definitely trying to do it as soon as possible
0:06:50good I'm trying and I can play a game where I'm trying not to be noticed using
0:06:54the watch to Apple pay and yet they inevitably notice and out of the the two
0:06:59times that they didn't the one time it was a cashier who had had before and she
0:07:04was just kind of gave me though you're the guy already has the Apple watching
0:07:07and it was one time where cashier didn't didn't make note of it he batted her
0:07:12eyelashes and moved on she was clearly impressed with your promise I used it
0:07:20used apple pear this morning for the first time because I you know I've been
0:07:24preparing to be on on on your show and I wanted to do everything I could possibly
0:07:28do like exercise just so I knew that you know got the well-rounded experience
0:07:35this morning I used Apple pay with the watching my go-to for Apple pay because
0:07:40I never remember where it's going to be is a go to McDonalds McDonalds I got my
0:07:45way to a McMuffin used to watch couldn't be easier
0:07:52cashier could get did not give a shit
0:07:57I paid you know I guess it worked like it was supposed to I took myself out to
0:08:04the parking lot 8 it in the parking lot and went to work and I feel prepared
0:08:09like I said I have no extra commentary on that experience except that it worked
0:08:14exactly like its post to end it makes you feel like I've gotta I've got a
0:08:18currency device on my on my wrist that's the thing is that I'm noticing is is
0:08:25just how all-encompassing it is as a device I feel like what they've done is
0:08:30they've just prepare all of the pieces of kind of culminated in this thing that
0:08:36you now strap yourselves yeah and I i can kind of see how this might be where
0:08:43you're going to but I can kind of see how they've already laid like the
0:08:46groundwork for like that but watch from five years from now like now he's just
0:08:51not even just like to point out from next year but I'm thinking like a lot
0:08:55further down the road where all of the things that it doesn't have like it
0:09:01doesn't dude cellular networking on its own and it doesn't have its own storage
0:09:05where you can keep all of your videos and stuff like that I get to see where
0:09:10this would have it all and then you would you know you could like have like
0:09:14a cloud then I was I was definitely that's where I wanted to get this
0:09:21conversation to mostly because like you know just in a purely as a response to
0:09:28people who are basically just like being negative Nellies about where it is now
0:09:34without the presence of mind to remember what I have the iPhone version one is
0:09:43what was what it was and what it was like what was missing and and how it
0:09:48iterated and how you know in the in the previous in the next eight years ago to
0:09:52this incredible all encompassing tool that almost kind of feels like it's
0:09:57fully matured and the people don't necessarily step back outside of
0:10:02themselves and say ok this is what this device is now I wonder
0:10:08what it's gonna be five years from now he said you know I have tried to
0:10:13remember some of the stuff that wasn't in iPhone 1.0 I know there was no
0:10:18notifications like see you couldn't slide down from the top to see any kind
0:10:21of notifications and there was no control center from the bottom it was
0:10:25really just the home screen of apps and it was one home screen because there
0:10:29were no other apps and you just hit the home button to go to the home screen and
0:10:34hit a nap to go to a nap and like that was the scope of the whole system during
0:10:39their nap and if you're in and out the app had the whole screen and otherwise
0:10:44you're on the home screen and then you would use that to launch an app and I
0:10:47was a part of the brilliance of the designers how simple that what's
0:10:50absolutely and almost had to be constrained in order to teach us what
0:10:55the thing was so we could get like sort of acclimated to the language and then
0:11:01and then they could start to grow it out and i won so so then I wonder how you
0:11:06extend that to the watch and what its there are things about the you are right
0:11:11now that I don't get naturally and I don't mean the kind of annoying me you
0:11:14know like that the home screen of apps it's fun to play with but I don't
0:11:23necessarily feel like it's perfectly natural
0:11:26yeah now and I'm all I still even a month in a tide tapped the wrong up
0:11:30right yeah that's kept up targets are a weird they're not a time maybe they're a
0:11:39little too small but they're definitely too close to each other that's the big
0:11:42the bigger problem isn't necessarily the size I did this with multi with Joanna
0:11:47stern actually took out a ruler and measured and they are quarter of an inch
0:11:51which is like the minimum and you know it's just basically the minimum size for
0:11:56a top target but the problem is they're right next to each other whereas like on
0:12:00the iPhone when you have like quarter-inch top targets you still put
0:12:04some space in between them right in when you get it right it feels like magic
0:12:09right foot that but unless it happens all the time that you get it right is
0:12:14not real magic is just the illusion of magic
0:12:17I feel like
0:12:18one of the things that I realized as I use overcast a lot that's probably the
0:12:24most Rica we used up on the watch and overcast just would by default when the
0:12:29win all my apps came over when I sent with the watch overcast ended up to the
0:12:35right side the very edge to the very right edge and I realize oh that's an
0:12:41easier top target I don't know if it's I don't know if it's mentally or
0:12:45physically now that make sense of it is sort of like it's as law right where the
0:12:52comment the menu bar in america is easier to click on because you can you
0:12:57can just slide your our Oh all the way the show and you can't go too far this
0:13:01summer I think there's a similar usability advantage to being at the edge
0:13:04of that app cloud because you can you you can get sloppy on the side you know
0:13:09I mean yeah and I guess that was the story of my college years as well sloppy
0:13:15cock in the middle that's what they called right so I guess it doesn't work
0:13:28in the design work in theory and in practice that the clock being in the
0:13:30middle makes it and he's your tap target then you just kind of get a bull's-eye I
0:13:36don't know cause I almost never go back to the clock like oh really yeah I just
0:13:41assume that and to me it's it's like the most under-reported thing and I think
0:13:47people just sort of get it but it's like to me that thing you have to get over
0:13:52with is in this thinking that it don't treat it like a little iPhone on your
0:13:57wrist and in the iPhone whatever you were last doing when you are not derived
0:14:00from there it is again when you come back with the watch just when you're
0:14:04done with whatever maybe you wanted to change to a new podcast cause you're
0:14:10using overcast and then when you switch and you cue it up and you now you've got
0:14:14the new episode of what everyone listened to playing in your ear but then
0:14:18you just put your risk down and you're done
0:14:20and next time you wanna go to your watch it's just right back on the watch face
0:14:23like you never have to clean up as soon as you're done doing what it is that you
0:14:28did on your watch just put your risk down and trust that at all it'll come
0:14:33back to the watch face on it makes else do you have what are things that you've
0:14:39experienced having done so I remember the first iPhone came out I had these
0:14:45moments all the time of love like oh I just did something like I just got a
0:14:52link in an email click the link and opened up in Mobile Safari watched a
0:14:57video and I closed it and I thought I could never have done that before you
0:15:02know six months ago
0:15:04you know I just did something that I type this technology enables that I
0:15:08could never have done before it existed and i feel like im having sort of
0:15:12similar things like just those those realizations of with the watch of all
0:15:17this is why this exists this is one of those little vignettes that they put
0:15:20their commercials yeah I think you know I know that there are other smart
0:15:29watches or do you want to call them that get text messages you know transfer data
0:15:33between your phone and watch all realize it isn't necessarily exclusive nappa
0:15:38watch but I've tried it I have the pebble and I've wanted the public and
0:15:42it's it's a little different number one that watches pretty reliable I i find
0:15:46the Bluetooth connection to be really good and what people it was always
0:15:50flaking out which probably isn't pebbles fall is probably the limits of
0:15:54third-party apps vs a bald getting to have you know tightest possible
0:16:00integration at the OS level on both the watch and the phone but it pretty call
0:16:06when I do all the grocery shopping at Whole Foods and I'm walking around and I
0:16:13feel my wrist go and Amy says can you get OJ too and then I don't even let you
0:16:18know I don't know it just just you know you don't have to go in your pocket yeah
0:16:27sorry made plans brokers now that's ok let me take a time out here it's just
0:16:31real quick as you let you know that if I start sounding like a terrible robot or
0:16:35something
0:16:36right away because it's not escape but but I had but I episode episode of you
0:16:46we should what I should do of course is just as soon as we're done recording on
0:16:49Amazon and buy a new microphone and instead I started show and then realize
0:16:54halfway through that I should have told the gas hey if I start sounding bad way
0:16:58don't just don't be polite and that means money audio recording his bed 20
0:17:05that sucks like you've blown yeah it was like the last half hour of the episode
0:17:12with serenity Caldwell and so I recreated my audio I listen to him and
0:17:19did it again and I think it came out pretty good I think it actually made me
0:17:22at like I tighten up a lot of my arguments that's that the French
0:17:28colonists Breidis kDa so you could basically just go back in retroactive Li
0:17:33se smarter things exactly that's perfect that's exactly what it was like ok I'm
0:17:39gonna do that after we recorded it but it was the biggest baby as long as I'm
0:17:44sure you can well imagine what it's like to to have to redouble and the crosstalk
0:17:50was just you know but so which wet what watching you we're okay so what I
0:18:01ordered is 42 millimeters base black steel with the black links I am and I'm
0:18:08not like I said I'm not a watch guy so even that felt like it was bordering on
0:18:13a little too dressy for me but as as a as i think is a common that one's being
0:18:21delayed in shipment pretty heavily and I wanted it right after the store opened
0:18:26yeah I ordered the same one and I ordered it first before amy is your
0:18:31Genesis or any of the bands and it still has not shipped I don't believe that one
0:18:35has shipped to anybody but I could be wrong
0:18:38good could be wrong but it doesn't seem like having seen anybody post pictures
0:18:41of such a watch ya know it's weird to feel the privilege of a delayed shipment
0:18:47know like just a fact like that where does that make it more precious when
0:18:51actually comes and I you know I am in no place to complain because I've had the
0:18:59regular steel link bracelet for five weeks sounds so yeah that's the one
0:19:05that's the review in the preamble people have asked I guess I should answer is
0:19:09that the typical reviewed in that period from Apple is sixty days I actually
0:19:13haven't even looked at the thing that I signed but I it's always been so it
0:19:17doesn't matter whether it's like a new Mac or a phone or tablet or iPad and
0:19:21it's always sixty days and they don't come knockin after sixty testing
0:19:26something I mean I never liked use them as my own although I guess I kind of AM
0:19:31with the watch comes to wearing it but it's my dad is well that's their fault
0:19:35that the one I would just keep wearing it but I think that you know they would
0:19:40even rather have me still wearing it being able to write about it then you
0:19:43know what what does the Watchmen to them for me to send it back but anyway I'll
0:19:47have this watch until mine comes in the package back up and send it back to him
0:19:51well it's great it's a loner just like your insurance company so my insurance
0:19:58company is is Roxanne is watch which I ordered her shortly after mine and
0:20:04actually everybody on the team here at Sandwich and so they kind of staggered
0:20:10in J P's came first to get the Milanese and really answer but she is so I
0:20:18ordered her a thirty eight millimeter one steel stainless steel with the black
0:20:25sport band and as soon as it came I just said this is my name and what he's going
0:20:31to do and she doesn't honestly she's she's very sweet and she did she is not
0:20:36important or until I get my and also I wanted to just like I want it was so
0:20:43important to me that I get to spend time with it you know get to know it will be
0:20:48better in an intimate level so that I could start
0:20:53you know what say let's say conceivably this is what I do for a living I guess
0:20:58so it's important to me that I know what their watches like in all seriousness it
0:21:06is absolutely not inconceivable that you guys will be writing directing and
0:21:11shooting a promotional video for some new product part of which products
0:21:16experience is a watch extension totally I can't wait for it to happen we haven't
0:21:21done it yet but now week and it's you know I dunno but you have to use it to
0:21:32get it
0:21:33yeah so I've got the 38 watch face on and it's a little small for me it's all
0:21:39tiny and not because it looks tiny ordained to you look like you were
0:21:43saying it looks fine but I want a bigger screen I think she had like a bigger
0:21:49screen I i dont have actually no concept of how much bigger than 42 is gonna look
0:21:55and feel on my wrist but I know even incremental what is that four
0:22:00millimeters of
0:22:02is like nearly a temper so it's a little bit more than a 10 percent increase oh
0:22:06yeah but it's somehow my guess is with you going from 38 to 42 when your shows
0:22:13up you're gonna be like you can have like 15 minutes for your little worried
0:22:16you think this might be too big and then like but then like 20 minutes later
0:22:20you're like this is right
0:22:22which brings me to a strange phenomenon which is one of those first you know
0:22:25just kind of like startling realization that I had having spent very minimal
0:22:31time with the watch it is like and I am talking about maybe ten fifteen minutes
0:22:36of having to watch on my hand out story appeared in this kitten but the phone
0:22:40back in my pocket the next opportunity I had to take the fun out its joint screen
0:22:46like to do you have that experience to phone came out you like wow this is like
0:22:50a flat screen that I was to go to a pocket yeah a little bit especially if
0:22:56you're trying to end and I know it's it
0:23:00I don't think you're supposed to be dictating text on a watch but it's
0:23:06definitely works for texting and I think that you know that the Serie
0:23:10transcription is really really good
0:23:13including winner out on cellular yeah it's great I i dont i dont I haven't
0:23:19used it a whole lot I mean I have used a little bit but you know there's a whole
0:23:23kind of social social acceptability of dictating into your watch in public or
0:23:32dictating into your phone even like if you're at the market
0:23:36you don't want to talk to your fingers you sound like a dick right grab I feel
0:23:41like that's the case do you like if you get a thing on your watch if you get a
0:23:45text on your watch from ami tomar a year at Whole Foods and you're not the only
0:23:50one in the I'll do you like a responder do you do like an emoticon even though
0:23:55an emoji even though emojis are for children i'm kind of I'm a little
0:24:04self-conscious about it but I tried to I just try to start walking in the
0:24:07direction away from other customers and try to keep my voice down cut my hand
0:24:13but I do I cut my hands around the watch but I realized that it does kind of make
0:24:17you look transporation was like going off and whispering into your own like
0:24:24cause I think I'm self conscious about is I don't want to be loud talking into
0:24:29it like I'll only do it in a way that it seems as though strangers are going to
0:24:34hear what it is that I'm dictating even though the if they looked at me and gave
0:24:38to the second thought about it they'd realize I must be talking to some kind
0:24:42of gadget but as always they can't really hear me and I'm not intruding on
0:24:45their conversations and I don't mind and I feel like the way the future and the
0:24:51future and God bless you for being polite and considerate about it and
0:24:55especially thinking about how many people probably out there and in the
0:25:00world wouldn't be and also like to think about how far we've come that used to be
0:25:04like people talking to their Bluetooth earpiece or whatever that word yeah and
0:25:11I also think that it's you know and it just became acceptable and it's just
0:25:15can't go anywhere in the western world without seeing it but at first 10 years
0:25:20ago it was really weird when you would see grown adults alike in public I'm
0:25:29typing into it
0:25:303 interface with all of their attention on it like gave just was a weird thing
0:25:35to be doing in public is sitting there picking away and electronic device like
0:25:39you know like an eight year old Gameboy but yeah but you know it's everywhere
0:25:45right now it's something we do and hopefully that the ideas that just like
0:25:52it is in that movie her where you see people on the subway and everybody's
0:25:57whispering softly into their peace or whatever that that just becomes a way of
0:26:03life and and nobody thinks twice about it I think it's hopefully it's gonna
0:26:07happen and hopefully it doesn't create a cacophony of other environmental
0:26:13pollution did you like her
0:26:18yeah I love that I loved it I i luv ya is it hit me deeply on an emotional
0:26:25level but also it's just fun for future thinking people hold at least come back
0:26:30to that I mean to me take a break and thank her for sponsoring it will come
0:26:33back and talk about her cuz I do think I think the watch is a step in that
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0:29:41twenty years from now when we're past the point they're projecting to
0:29:45technologically and so there's obviously they're gonna made some mistakes I think
0:29:49it's gonna look pretty good in hindsight sort of like the way 2001 seems great
0:29:54sure or even nor Blade Runner
0:29:57yeah actions are also weighted toward that era weighted toward the early
0:30:02eighties with shoulder pads and angles and what not just like the high-waisted
0:30:05pants in her kind of weighted toward 21 2013 and 2014 I think it'll hold up in a
0:30:12sort of the emblematic of those of our version of futurism yeah and I feel like
0:30:18I actually think that they got right and that Apple is clearly moving towards is
0:30:22that your gadget still totally matters as much as ever but your identity and
0:30:28your treatment they're all just run tends to cloud-based system you know and
0:30:34you just pick the size that you want at this moment right and then and what they
0:30:41did in her was a move to like a lot of the visual component and just had it be
0:30:46so much so reliant on on voice and sound which was an interesting way to go and I
0:30:53don't know how how far we're gonna go in that direction especially with like with
0:30:58Siri in the state that it's in terms of its like its ability to understand us
0:31:04and communicate back I thought it was it was interesting and also a lake
0:31:09just as the storytelling element by not inundating the city the technology with
0:31:14visuals they allowed the human elements to take more of a fun see ya and I feel
0:31:22like it's like the touch components on the watch play into that to where it's
0:31:29not about what you're looking at its you know some other sense and I dunno man
0:31:34and I will hurt a lot of the UN and cinematic Senate cinematically it has to
0:31:39be kept in touch with the display outputs that we have at the moment
0:31:44although I guess you can imagine some kind of game that ties into like an
0:31:51apple watching like rumbles on your wrist at certain points in a movie like
0:31:55the way that are so maybe something like that is coming out I think about it off
0:31:59the top of my head but it just had to be verbal because it that makes for
0:32:04sentiment and let Scarlett Johansson you know truly and the best local interface
0:32:12in the world like her voice was just like representative of what technology I
0:32:21should say really well being a creepy perv about it like you know what I would
0:32:26want my robot to so yeah but did to me that was the interaction that the
0:32:32characters had with the technology was so I'm being and you know you don't have
0:32:35to break stride while you were getting off the train walk to your office
0:32:38building in something some kind of notification becoming you don't break
0:32:41stride and that to me is what the touch on the wrist helps to enable as he just
0:32:47sits there is can I am really feeling like you know what do you feel like you
0:32:56how's the house the tactic engine holding up three you enjoy it I do I
0:33:01enjoyed a lot and like more and more as time goes on I have got my watch the
0:33:06sound off all the time I never it's some of the sounds are too annoying and I
0:33:11find that they're not necessary I haven't really learned to distinguish
0:33:15between what the different sounds and different
0:33:18patterns and everything mean I think University they just mean hey look over
0:33:24here and I you know where glanced over here rather but I never a displeasing
0:33:29feeling too like just have a small little my new top even happens whatever
0:33:3510 times in an hour or something or even yeah because something's going up like
0:33:39some group chat Iran has blown up and he's getting messages you know roger
0:33:44messages from college or something like that right I mean if you're doing
0:33:48something else important like recording a podcast and your wrist is blowing up
0:33:52and that's maybe not as not quite not quite as fun but I for the first few
0:33:57days after I had was wearing the watch I was I found myself wanting more tips
0:34:02like I wanted like wow i'd be driving and I turned on vacation even though I
0:34:09know exactly how the hell to get to where I'm going
0:34:11Journal navigation just cuz it's kind of fun to get twelve steps to turn right or
0:34:16something
0:34:17yeah that physically pleasing of his incision I talked to i no i didnt write
0:34:21about it but I may be made but I did I got driving directions to my accountant
0:34:25last month and so this was to get my taxes done and during powerball LLC tell
0:34:30you know all afternoon and its 2020 the 30 minute drive outside the city was
0:34:40actually the first time I was driving with I think and I wanted to test the
0:34:44directions I'm going to the same account for years and years or so I know how to
0:34:47get there but I wanted to try the directions but it was actually kind of
0:34:50an amazing in one of those like I know people do this every day but I don't
0:34:54drive everyday so it's a little science fiction to me is westbound out of
0:35:00philadelphia there's really only one road called the school expressway and
0:35:03it's called this Google expressway because it goes right along the path of
0:35:06the school river and knowing how to spell the words Google is a true test of
0:35:10being a Philadelphian seh yuh I L
0:35:14lol old Indian name anyway just go out there but anyway it's an enormously bad
0:35:21road though because it's a lot of a lot of the way it's only two lanes in each
0:35:24direction and soy meal accident and it just dies and ended up there was some
0:35:30kind of tractor trailer accident earlier in the morning and it had been shut down
0:35:34for a while and Syria gave me what I thought was crazy directions she was to
0:35:41get me off this Google almost as soon as I got on it and I thought well I'll just
0:35:44go her way and as soon as I took that eggs and a look ahead from what she did
0:35:47steered me away from I was like oh my god there's no way I would have made the
0:35:51appointment I would have had the lake and trying to reschedule an appointment
0:35:54with your accountant when it already I don't know like april fourth or
0:35:57something like that it's like you're already you know I mean he would help me
0:36:01out alot but instead I would if I could go back you don't you don't stand your
0:36:05account now in early April so she took me at this different way where I've
0:36:10never been before and I really didn't know where it's going and so I I didn't
0:36:14know at the time with the difference between the left and right
0:36:16taps were but it was enough that I just felt something and you could just glad
0:36:22to arrest and you know it would say 600 feet make a left and it was great I
0:36:27thought oh yeah and that the display that the way you actually see on the
0:36:34wrist is so minimal that it doesn't get in the way you can answer interpreted a
0:36:40glance because you driving and most of the experiences all audio and you know I
0:36:47typically when I'm driving on his ways I put my iphone to staying in many ways
0:36:54and it weighs has better directions and smarter about traffic it's smarter and
0:36:58so many ways but the audio quality sounds like it's coming through the
0:37:03telephone rather than you know like a built-in library of an internal
0:37:09Audioengine I don't know what that I don't know
0:37:12true except ways sounds like garbage and Apple maps sounds amazing so to go back
0:37:20and get directions from the watch sounds amazing and feels amazing and it's like
0:37:25oh yeah it's against what we should name one of those moments where like this is
0:37:29the future just feels like the future and in even the pile on that I had last
0:37:38week I had made it a dinner reservation using open table so I could meet
0:37:45somebody after work and I get in the car and then opened table gives me an alert
0:37:51on my wrists because they have a watch watch out using a lot on my wrist that
0:37:57I've got my generation in like 10 minutes or something and then I tap into
0:38:03the on the wrist in go to the local location and it opens at the map says
0:38:09give me directions like holy cow I didn't expect her to do that in asked
0:38:13her to do that but that's what this is that's what watch does in 2015 yeah I
0:38:19one of my first experiences like that was with again I want to repeat myself
0:38:26but I think I said this but it was on the Amtrak train and I had already saved
0:38:29the pass to my passbook on the phone and it just when I got to Penn Station it
0:38:38just appeared on my watch and then when we got on train the guy came by to fish
0:38:43anything out to notice which I just held my wrist up to the guy is candid and run
0:38:48a trend it's also may feel sync between the watch and the phone is just really
0:38:54highly tuned I haven't felt that lacking in any way and and that's kind of
0:39:00enjoyable to watch when you see different sync service is between your
0:39:06devices current fail that more points along the way do you think it was a
0:39:14mistake for Apple to already have apps like I and it's absolutely true in some
0:39:20cases where
0:39:21the basic problem when they get when they announced to the watch get back in
0:39:27November and said they were going to ship this couple weeks away before the
0:39:31watch comes out I just made it sound like a bad idea because you're asking
0:39:36people to write software even if it's a limited SDK and it really is limited but
0:39:40you're asking them to write software for a device that they've never used and so
0:39:44they're not really know they're not really familiar with how they're
0:39:46supposed to use it and I think it's definitely true that some apps really
0:39:51really suffer from that to the yeah I have a number of them on on my watch
0:39:58that really suffered from that now do you think he know anecdotally or
0:40:03otherwise whether any developers were given early access to watch specifically
0:40:07for making their routes better I think he have to define layers of access I
0:40:15don't think anybody got a watch I think some people clearly got access i mean
0:40:20obviously a lot of people got the developer lab invitations and I think in
0:40:26the middle
0:40:27there's a beach level there's a smaller number of developers who got early
0:40:32access to I think to the labs not not that they got to take a watch and where
0:40:37it but that they got to you know plan to Cupertino and write stuff yeah but on
0:40:43the other hand so I think well I just think that for example though I would
0:40:47assume twitter is on that list of companies that had really privileged
0:40:50access and I think that their app is useless but on that and then on the
0:40:58other hand Marcos app is incredible and yeah I have no idea how he was kind of
0:41:04figured out what use your patterns would make the most sense without having the
0:41:09devices have to accept that like I'm never wondering when i from the very
0:41:14first time I watched overcast on the watch I never wondered how anything
0:41:20works it was exactly what was supposed to be yeah I feel I know he was worried
0:41:25about mmm because I actually helped him beta test then before
0:41:28he shipped it just sucks that he had the review in it and and I get to know you
0:41:34better couldn't help much because he was getting ready to ship at least a little
0:41:37bit of sanity checking his big concern or one of his concerns was that there
0:41:43wouldn't be any point to it because there's that now plane which it would
0:41:48work with anything and that his was well what's the point of even doing it at all
0:41:52if now playing
0:41:54handles everything and I said no idea is definitely usefulness in just one day of
0:42:00testing overcast and watch it was absolutely useful because you know
0:42:04there's no way with now playing to do anything really other than this plan
0:42:07pause where is overcast on the watch you can switch to a new podcast and stuff
0:42:11like that
0:42:11yeah I mean it's got context where has it knows what which is hugely important
0:42:17for a podcast library where people kind of listen to every thing differently and
0:42:23that's pretty awesome and I you know the now playing up is there but I don't know
0:42:29exactly what it does and I don't know what to control what a high Jackson what
0:42:32it doesn't hijack and I'd rather just leave it leave it alone I which there
0:42:35was you know it's just one of those Apple apps that you just can't put in a
0:42:38drawer somewhere and I kind of feel like as a pundit overall that its and I it's
0:42:44the sort of thing that I try to be cognizant of what I know that I'm being
0:42:47guilty is it's like Apple can't win because if they didn't have any apps I
0:42:52would be complaining that there should be a priority and now that they've
0:42:55shipped with tabs on day 1 I'm complaining because the haps some of
0:43:00them don't work so well and some of them don't seem to have been designed with
0:43:04the context in mind
0:43:07yeah i cant wait till slacks gets good because I used black almost more than
0:43:11anything besides email and I and i cant figure out how to actually respond to
0:43:17reply to slack and if you just open up slack slack walked watch out you get
0:43:23your presented with two icons one of which is I think direct messages in one
0:43:30of which is is mentions of your name and neither one seems to be graded tracking
0:43:37like what conversations actually need access to
0:43:40and then if you get an alert in slack which I always do there's no all you can
0:43:46do it on the watches dismiss it right away you can actually reply from that
0:43:50from that alert which I had to do because that's it means like it's all
0:43:56about to a communications not broadcasting by guest
0:44:00well in the same way that you can respond to text messages right at the
0:44:07fact that you can respond to text messages and dictate a little weird
0:44:11thing is what you would want to do is slack absolutely and wood which brings
0:44:15me to make which is like how forgiving we now can sort of letters let ourselves
0:44:22be like dictating to call it's eerie when I do i dooo I call it I just cant
0:44:30talk yes so when you're dictating to Siri even if like responding to a
0:44:35message you know her like you can choose like sent from iphone signature with
0:44:40with Mel with him from from the mail and the idea behind that was theoretically
0:44:47it was probably just so that you can see like the other person receiving cut you
0:44:51a little slack for reasons of brevity or typos or whatever I feel like dictated
0:44:57by Siri kind of needs its own little and I by the way I turn sent from my iPhone
0:45:02off because i will like alright a second novel in an email from my phone it just
0:45:08like one of my i play my email on my phone like beethoven and they can I take
0:45:14pride in that
0:45:15with its Alex and proper levels and everything and so it would shame me to
0:45:21tell some to tell somebody trying to make an excuse you would wanna yeah I
0:45:25wouldn't want to do that but but then again if you're trying to if you try to
0:45:30respond to messages dictating India watch in the beach and then go on with
0:45:34your business you're not gonna sit there getting frustrated because she misheard
0:45:39something and maybe it's clear enough so you know maybe maybe it's it's like
0:45:43enough to get the point I had a couple of misfires with badly dictated
0:45:50messages to replace the text but this is kind of fun I it's partly because it
0:46:00there's like a tipping point I realized where as as Siri dictation has crossed
0:46:07some point on the curve between 22 slow inaccurate to be useful and it's reached
0:46:14a tipping point now where it's quick enough and accurate enough to be useful
0:46:17and I you know if this is happening for me sometime in the last year you know
0:46:25what I wrote a piece about how is so much better on my iPhone couple months
0:46:28ago like I think it a large part then wrapping this up for the watch but as it
0:46:35reaches that tipping point suddenly you trust a lot more whereas in the first
0:46:39couple years where Syria existed they had this dictation I would double check
0:46:43every time before I hit Send and now I a lot of times I am hitting send without
0:46:48really looking at it and sometimes they are there some pretty bad typos yeah I
0:46:55accidentally take texted to Rock Center the other day she said hey can you stop
0:47:01by the store on the way home and I think I did I responded i dictated on the way
0:47:10home or do you want me to come home first and then I like i dictated that
0:47:15and then I went on with what I was doing what got sent was do you want me to come
0:47:20home you want to stop on the way home or do you want me to come home first I
0:47:23can't even and she was like what did you just say what's with the attitude does
0:47:34that cause it's like if it's like caddie it's like a bitch in the wrong way
0:47:39yeah usually if it's if it's good meaning like it's not gonna be obvious
0:47:44to your recipient it's gonna look like a homonym
0:47:47you know like if they read it out loud in their head that they'll take a guess
0:47:51actually kind of like that late with a mere
0:47:53other friends you know there were more technically inclined you know it's less
0:47:57faces mostly texting I like it when they can guess and they had their like Siri
0:48:03or vice versa I'll do it to them and try to guess whether the weird typo in the
0:48:07message they sent me was because I feel like it's becoming a scale where is that
0:48:11I can't even if he doesn't sound like that it sounds exactly like really does
0:48:17sounds intentional series is manufactured some attitude like it I
0:48:22can't believe you and even asked me to do that what do you think of the fact
0:48:26that Siri doesn't talk back to you question it somehow feels natural to me
0:48:37although I do feel like a lot of her personality is missing because of that
0:48:41but it somehow seems right to me true but maybe we'd we like we know that
0:48:45personality so well already that's ingrained that we can come out here
0:48:50voice maybe like you get it took me a couple days to realize it oh she's not
0:48:55talking there's no she's not talking through the speaker when when I asked
0:48:58her something she just just coming out in text but they are you can hear ya I
0:49:03guess that's why I was a little slow the answer is because it was the fact that
0:49:08she doesn't talk or depending on your country and your preferences he doesn't
0:49:12talk it sneaks up on you watching you realize only after you really has been
0:49:20using serial out that it that it never talks to you I gotta like it I guess
0:49:26it's a little bit more private yeah I I had this thought that the watch is kind
0:49:33of maybe the watch is what crack serial open more than much more than any other
0:49:37anything else that the watches kind of one of the of the of the many things
0:49:41that the watch is watches like a Syrian machine basically yeah I think a large
0:49:47part of it I think if you're not using Siri
0:49:50a couple of times a day they are not really getting the most out of the watch
0:49:53I really do think that's true African microphone in its I think that's one
0:49:58thing that's a lot of people aren't really thinking about it you're wearing
0:50:02something when you're on your wrist has a microphone it that you can just talk
0:50:06to when it can record your thoughts on which makes it even more frustrating to
0:50:11me there's not a voice recorder up on it that's a little weird let's hold that
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0:54:26daring fireballs you see when you go there so what we're talking about with
0:54:30the no voice recorder app was doing I said yeah and there's no no tap no voice
0:54:39recorder app I mean you don't even need both of those just need one of the other
0:54:45guys you could I don't I know you mean okaz the whole idea is you just have a
0:54:51thought in your head you want to commit to the watch and dictaphone you want to
0:54:56put it down so why not like I do that all time do you did i do my number one
0:55:03use case for voice recorder out on the song is what I've done working with the
0:55:07composer and I don't like having you know any day like are often like singing
0:55:12thing if I'm trying to express it and can't put it in words all singing thing
0:55:16and then I'll send it off as an audio thing or maybe sometimes we recorded
0:55:22voiceover with the voiceover up every once in awhile i guess im driving and I
0:55:26have a thought and i wanna recorded so I don't forget it then that's the third
0:55:32case I would tell me
0:55:35there's nothing like that on the watch is unconscionable unconscionable gather
0:55:39clothes targeting covered be like at least with the built-in apps would be
0:55:44like texting yourself I guess but even then that seems to seems a little weird
0:55:49and are definitely third party apps evernote has a pretty decent nap I
0:55:58forget what also try and you know and it seems like it's fairly focus on the
0:56:06white specific thing I think if if if if and when the day comes that there's a
0:56:10Vesper thing for the phone really just be a big plus button and make a new know
0:56:14that just hit + start talking there's the text and then you done this is
0:56:21really all I really want some great I wonder if you could see you Syrian just
0:56:26say syria making you know I wonder what she would do she know how to work with
0:56:31reminders that any notes out but it still confuses me what syria works with
0:56:37what she doesn't yeah I'm not sure I'll think that would work on the watch I'm
0:56:42not sure what happens
0:56:43versus the phone you know it's a funny thing went on a podcast if you use the
0:56:46phrase hey and then the name of the product it will end up getting notes
0:56:52from people whose devices while they were listening to the show started going
0:56:55I'm not saying we can't say it cause it's hard to talk about it without
0:56:58saying a serious but it turns out that it turns out that people who like listen
0:57:03obviously if you listen with headphones on but mostly listen to podcast and is
0:57:07it doesn't but if you know a lot of a lot of people like my pal Brent Simmons
0:57:11he just likes to listen to podcasts on the speaker's desk while he works
0:57:14you know it's like he said like haven't talked to you know the way you know
0:57:17other people like that talk radio on these likes a podcast makes its elegance
0:57:20in office for friends or whatever but then it makes like you're charging
0:57:24iPhone wake up that's awesome
0:57:28so I mean that's dangerous also once when Siri becomes more more more more
0:57:35aware of the operating of being the insides of the phone rather than just
0:57:39referring to the outside but it puts great power in front of us because we
0:57:45could do something like say the phrase that would initiate that and then
0:57:49immediately say text my wife I'm leaving you send that's dark I was just thinking
0:57:56like a Syrian make a part so it's probably a little better what what what
0:58:06are your favorite apps I I totally love the weather out I think the weather app
0:58:14has won it took me a while to get used to end this is one of those apps this is
0:58:18the built-in weather app from Apple and it's one of those apps where it's to me
0:58:22surprisingly deep
0:58:23it starts with all the city's you've configured on your iPhone leather app so
0:58:28it already knows the city's eagerness today and you can scroll down to get
0:58:35details and 10 day forecast and all this stuff you go side to side to switch
0:58:40cities and locations but then while you're on a city you can tap it and it
0:58:45changes from like the next like a clock style its into me that optimized for the
0:58:50white to take the next 10 hours of like precipitation
0:58:55cloud cover and the temperature my only complaint is I kind of wish that they
0:59:02combined the cloud cover and temperature ones as I want the temperature and the
0:59:06you know whether or not it's like likely to rain the weather a lot I guess you'd
0:59:14have to yeah we don't live in Southern California I don't I never ever open up
0:59:20whether out but I'm just looking through it as you're talking in yet is really
0:59:24nicely done
0:59:25yea well and you know April April probably a good time to have been trying
0:59:29because april is the type of month where the weather is you have no idea and just
0:59:33because it's
0:59:35really cold in the morning when you wake up it might go up to 70 in the afternoon
0:59:39so it's just knowing like looking at the temperature right now
0:59:4310 in the morning doesn't necessarily give you a clue as to what it's gonna be
0:59:47like an african it is so I think the weather app was probably when I first
0:59:51put on the watch and it is loading the cities and I saw that status I think
0:59:57that's probably the first time I saw like oh and apt takes time it's not it's
1:00:02not instantaneous like on your iPhone yeah but sometimes it doesn't i still
1:00:06can't quite figure out why sometimes it takes longer than others and maybe it's
1:00:10because I'm not quite sure how much of it is to blame on Bluetooth and how much
1:00:14of it is like that phone is checking the weather in advance already and already
1:00:22has up-to-date weather information and then other times maybe the watch is like
1:00:27you know hey phone tell me about the weather this guy wants to see the
1:00:30weather and the phone as I go should I haven't checked in awhile you gotta wait
1:00:33hold on
1:00:34yeah it makes sense that they get smarter about catching that stuffs and
1:00:38and smarter about just collecting the data when you need it and maybe
1:00:45collecting all too much to me that's kind of like the you know how like
1:00:49scrolling on the iPhone one wasn't quite as classy as it is now maybe that's a
1:00:55kind of a sort of an analog to like waiting for data to load on the watch
1:01:01what about you what are your favorite apps like I can said overcast is
1:01:08probably again I use it a lot
1:01:10remote is really cool me up then again I've always been a I've always liked the
1:01:15remote app on the iPhone 3G and it was I never did for when when people would
1:01:19complain endlessly about it yeah it takes forever to connect but I think its
1:01:25prime still one of those people that just kind of still impressed by the fact
1:01:29that I can control my something on my TV with my phone and it just never doesn't
1:01:34faze me so now the fact that I can do that a little bit quicker and the
1:01:41pairing like service seems to last longer I think you know before getting
1:01:47dumped and I have to
1:01:48then reconnect I just think it's it's pretty cool I I find that I have always
1:01:54i mean i i just lose the stupid Apple TV remote I lose it ten times every time I
1:02:00watch a movie and then lose its meaning like plague is it on my left hand side
1:02:05of the couch right hand side
1:02:0615 minutes and all I wanted to do was quick pause because you know he's asking
1:02:12me a question from upstairs in the kitchen or something that just just want
1:02:15to pause the damn thing I really like having it on the wrist and hand and it's
1:02:20one of those things where I feel like you kind of have to take what people
1:02:24that Apple say at their word like when Tim Cook has said what he likes about
1:02:28wearing the Apple watching he's you know I've heard him say like three or four
1:02:31times that he likes using it as a remote control to control is Apple TV and as
1:02:37somebody who never liked the one on the phone cause I always found then it's
1:02:40like it's even worse because it's a device that's just a small and I can you
1:02:44know losing between two questions but then you know what are the odds that the
1:02:48current app is that is the remote it's not because I'm probably texting people
1:02:53are checking Twitter because I'm doing two things I want a Nevada double
1:02:56chapters with but the way that the thing works on the watch is if you're watching
1:03:01something actively watching it it just automatically goes back to being the
1:03:05remote not the clock face or anything like that which to me is exactly what I
1:03:09want it's as though the device read my schedule that a little tip we taped
1:03:16their their reach the remote sorry though Apple TV remote in her bedroom we
1:03:21taped it to like a little packet of Kleenex that's a lie flat but we do know
1:03:30that kids in bed with us playing with it and he'll drop it down there between the
1:03:35mattress and that so that's that's doing other than that
1:03:43activity trackers really cool heart rate monitor is really cool I I like the fact
1:03:50that so we worked with jaw bone up as a client we we did something with Syd bit
1:03:58so I
1:04:00had the experience of wearing these activity trackers but honestly its
1:04:05agents always felt too cumbersome for me to like keep something but like with me
1:04:11all the time that was dedicated to that purpose if I'm not gonna wear a watch
1:04:14that i dont really wanna wear a wristband that only does that one thing
1:04:18but now that I've got everything in that thing and the fact that it's an activity
1:04:24tracker now I'm finally getting the value of an activity tracker and so just
1:04:30earlier today if I can either take the elevator up to my office or take the
1:04:34stairs and i know that this stupid thing is gonna remind me that you know like I
1:04:40I have like 100 more calories to burn or something then I am I don't know why I
1:04:48guess I don't have as much free agency is I think I do but I'm gonna take the
1:04:52stairs because I'm a child and I want a little I wanna love trophy I thought it
1:04:58was silly when I saw people say that it would be somebody had a report by Wired
1:05:03magazine story like behind the scenes of creation of the watch probably was
1:05:07because they had the most access and that if it's become common within Apple
1:05:12like in the middle of a meeting for people to just stand up randomly because
1:05:17a widespread air wearing said hey you know you know there's a chance to get
1:05:22another hour where you stood for a minute and it's just like become part of
1:05:26the in and again you can within a bomb sure that people would just chuckle
1:05:32because they know why you're doing it and maybe you wouldn't do it if you were
1:05:35in a meeting with people from another company you know who aren't familiar but
1:05:40that within the walls of Apple this great seemingly crazy behavior has
1:05:43become a norm that you can just stand up for a minute and kind of move your legs
1:05:48in the middle of a meeting because you want to make it was happy when I am i
1:05:53expected to turn that off and I still have it on
1:05:56yeah it's kind of it's kind of fun its test completion and you gotta think that
1:06:02it happens coming that's more like a game almost like yo level of stupid
1:06:06simplicity we're like it just reminded send you a reminder to like complexes
1:06:12and
1:06:13to pump you up to state yet I pump your fist no matter where you are and if you
1:06:18do it quicker you get more points or something and then just idiots are gonna
1:06:21pumping their fists all over the place I think that they did a really interesting
1:06:25amount of design on the activities like summaries and the stand reminders in
1:06:35terms of getting the balance right so that you keep using it and that it
1:06:41changes your behavior which is the goal but combine that with like obviously the
1:06:48team that made the watch has been you know using it in some degree internally
1:06:52for a while right
1:06:54a year maybe longer you know testing these prototypes probably longer than
1:06:58that you know the people in the design lab have been wearing the early
1:07:01prototypes to try to find in the software and if you like once they got
1:07:05into it for a very long time it would be easy to lose track I think this is how a
1:07:08lot of first-run experiences go wrong is that the team that makes it gets into it
1:07:13and gets it and understand it and loses track of what it would be like to have
1:07:17it on your risk for the first day and then you feel like I got this thing will
1:07:21not shut up about me standing and I feel like they dialed it back to a level
1:07:26where it's it's really well balanced between those two in terms of being
1:07:31frequent enough to change your behavior but not so frequent that you feel like
1:07:38we know why in the world with this thing be bugging me like this
1:07:42totally if you just i i think thats a cases it if you ignore it then it knows
1:07:47you're ignoring and instead of maybe instead of shutting itself off
1:07:51completely
1:07:52it just gives you less frequent and so it's kind of like on boards you and then
1:07:58instead of you saying this sucks I'm jumping off it does just very smart
1:08:03little things to keep you on and that's exactly what happened with me is is like
1:08:08first I found it cool that I found it annoying that I actually gave in and
1:08:12wanted to do what it told me i i and it has been a little bit of an eye-opener
1:08:19for me I've never won any of those trackers it's been a little bit of an
1:08:22eye-opener for me like
1:08:24that there's definitely some shockingly a correlation between a very productive
1:08:31day as a blogger and a very sedentary day like the day that I wrapped up the
1:08:40second sort of you that I published like a week ago it was like my circles when
1:08:46know where they finally got like on a chain like I finally got in a groove and
1:08:52I was in the zone and I felt like I had this article have been trying to get out
1:08:56for a long time out and and it's like when I finished it I looked down and it
1:08:59looked like look like my watch usually doesn't
1:09:02afternoon you should win an award for that there should be like and tired you
1:09:07know how they give it a few gotten some of those awards they give you like these
1:09:11I just got like this
1:09:13silver concentric circles and they should give you like a booby booby award
1:09:18you no further
1:09:19really screwed up right and i think is one of the things are so interesting
1:09:29about this watch is and I feel like it's one of the things that we just the first
1:09:34version of it the one that you and I are talking about right now just has not
1:09:36even tapped into it but the watch knows when you're wearing it it it soon as you
1:09:42take it off like to show somebody or to change the bandage over it knows its
1:09:46offer risk because the centers are off and it locks the screen and but that
1:09:52means that like if you are not going to wear all the time if you're going to
1:09:57wear it like your address watching you go out at night or something like that
1:10:00sometimes the watch knows when you're not being active because you're not
1:10:05wearing it and also knows when you're not being active even though you are
1:10:07wearing it which is a big difference right like if I just decide to wear my
1:10:10old watch for another day and I don't put the Apple watch on Friday I'm not
1:10:14gonna register any activity on the watch but the watch also knows that I haven't
1:10:18been
1:10:19like a complete turned whereas if you are if you're wearing it I think that's
1:10:24so interesting and I i feel like it could really come into play in a lot of
1:10:29different ways that that's true but it but it also entice you to keep wearing
1:10:33it
1:10:34yeah the moment you check your eyes to him sleep right yeah I totally
1:10:38underestimated that you know before I started wearing it is how much those
1:10:44fitness tracking things even as somebody who's not super into that those features
1:10:48but they still motivate me to keep wearing it not where my mother watches
1:10:52because I want to get the credit
1:10:53yeah I went for a run the other night and turned on the lake what is that it's
1:11:00not it's the at its the exercise that was not the activity trackers workout I
1:11:04yeah the workout act and I told her I was going for an outdoor run and I went
1:11:09I was running around for 24 minutes I got home he told me he's probably run
1:11:16for 30 minutes I went back out and ran for another six minutes I came back in I
1:11:23came back in the house I took the water off but it was still going is it was
1:11:27like I didn't set a goal just left left it as an open exercise and took off the
1:11:33watch and then like the bottom of the water was glowing green and frighten me
1:11:37and then I just like I researched it a little bit and found out that the green
1:11:42light is how it actually read your heart rate GTG you know about that yes a
1:11:47little bit and I think it switches to a more powerful mode when you're in the
1:11:51midst of a workout like you know and it's it's it pulls your heartbeat
1:11:57constantly as opposed to doing it every you know 67 minutes right which is weird
1:12:02to me because I give you if you you know you are liable sitting presumably if you
1:12:07go over to the heart rate monitor in your classes or whatever then it's gonna
1:12:11tell you like your heart rate was whatever three minutes ago but now its
1:12:15reading its taking any reading and that's why that's weird to me when I saw
1:12:19the first time that three minutes ago
1:12:22it was paying attention to my heart rate I didn't tell to do that but I think
1:12:25it's kind of awesome and so presumably there's like I got a whole days worth of
1:12:30data and if I were going through like medical stuff that would be kind of
1:12:34interesting to my doctor I think ya 69 beats per minute by minute ago and now I
1:12:40just took it again it says three so I don't come excited to get nervous I
1:12:46think I get nervous when I look at it and it makes my heart but it was 16 I
1:12:50was going to say what I was 95 cuz i guess i yeah that's why I'm cuz I'm
1:12:57excited and had a big lunch I think the workout app is an interesting to i like
1:13:07it and I like the way that it is like just brain dead super simple here's some
1:13:13big buttons for different types of workouts go pick the one you're gonna
1:13:17start right now tap the button and it go I wasn't sure what to do when I go for a
1:13:27run whether I should tell us how far I want to go how long I wanna go yeah they
1:13:31like the last item do either of the last item on the list was just open just
1:13:36measure how how much and do it in and call it to him I think I think there's
1:13:43an interesting combination here and again I haven't used to fit better in
1:13:47those things but I feel like one of the problems in never made me want to use
1:13:50one is that they didn't really show you anything you just you know least one
1:13:53game he has doesn't really have much of a display at just under four bars that
1:13:58led up and then you have to plug into your computer or sync it with the iPhone
1:14:01app and use a different device to check what it thinks you did
1:14:05whereas I feel like a lot of a lot of things with the phone to me are the key
1:14:12to their success is that the phone is both both sides of the equation and two
1:14:17examples are Instagram and like periscope meerkat
1:14:21where it's the same device that people are using to shoot the photos and edit
1:14:26the photos posted photos is the same device that everyone else is using to
1:14:30see the photos and I feel like that's the way that the fitness tracking stuff
1:14:35on a watch to me
1:14:36works and I know it doesn't have like everything like it's it's it's
1:14:40interesting when they cut it off like I think it shows you like your last
1:14:43workout but it doesn't show you your whole workout history after the phone
1:14:46app to your workout history but that's because the history is too much
1:14:49information for the watch
1:14:50it's just enough but it's like here's what I think you did today
1:14:54yeah I think that that that kinda just speaks to the whole purpose of the watch
1:14:59in general is just enough and not too much because too much is just gonna be
1:15:04is going to make people is going to turn people off to it and I've noticed that
1:15:11just would like the notifications deg use the Gmail app at all no I just use
1:15:18Apple Mail so Apple Mail
1:15:22sandwiches emails all run through Google and Google like you don't get Google
1:15:28push email working very well through Apple Mail so I so what I do is I used
1:15:36jim is the Gmail out on its own to right away push me you know notification that
1:15:42have new email and then when I get that alert I know to go into my Apple Mail
1:15:46out and go in such that email it's kind of a roundabout way of being obsessive
1:15:53about email but it works for me so I use gmail is basically like it and so I've
1:15:59got email alerts on my watch and what gmail does when it notifies you of a new
1:16:03email on your watch is it also gives you a few lines of preview of the of the
1:16:07message whereas Apple Mail
1:16:10when it tells you there's a new email you can actually scroll through the
1:16:13whole email but that the weird psychological effect of that is because
1:16:19I'm obsessive about email Gmail tells me about I've got a new email and I can see
1:16:24only the first few lines that I know I can kind of save it for later and then
1:16:28go back when I have time go into my mail program
1:16:33and then I know I can respond to it then but if it shows me the whole thing I
1:16:38think that I have to respond to it right then so that's another instance of just
1:16:42just enough just enough info to like no to do something later with it and this
1:16:47is kind of like that time you know reevaluating your time that people were
1:16:55talking about early on that the watch kind of Ford's you is like the
1:17:01opportunity cure I thought out less and less yeah and I know I've gone back and
1:17:08forth that's one of the things room so I feel like it's just I'm lucky that I've
1:17:12had the watches on as I have because into me in my opinion has changed on it
1:17:16we're at first I thought that it was that this whole argument that it's about
1:17:24taking your phone out less I I was like I'm not taking my phone at any less I
1:17:29didn't think I was but then I thought about it and I realized I kind of was it
1:17:34like into me the difference is due I wanna do something if I want to do
1:17:38something I still go to the phone but it's it's like do I just want to check
1:17:43what do I want to check something then I can just look at the watch and Adil
1:17:47there's I guess subtle difference there I'm sure you know there's all sorts of
1:17:50things that are sort of gray areas where it won it but if I'm just checking
1:17:54something it's it's amusing to watch I'm not picking the phone up so I am taking
1:18:00the phone out but I'm not using it last leg of its something I really wanna do
1:18:04I'm still going to do it on the on the phone
1:18:07yeah and you want to do stuff so I want to do more stuff with the watch that's
1:18:11one of the first things first things I noticed is because we're trained to do
1:18:16that like you check something and then you do something about it right away it
1:18:21feels unnatural to check something about appear on the watch and not do something
1:18:26about it right away so you have to kind of get used to it at least I did and it
1:18:31makes me wanna be able to do more with the watch but i'm ok that I I guess but
1:18:39yeah that's the end of that thought I but I feel like email is almost like
1:18:45ground zero for that line of thinking because and this is the thing I thought
1:18:49that sounds really weird but now that I've had the watch him on that kind of
1:18:53makes sense is that the watch has your email you know from the mailed out on
1:19:00things but you can't write so you don't get to respond you don't get to craft a
1:19:06new message it's really just read only and that and I've been using email
1:19:11forever all sorts of everything from you know terminals to you know dial-up
1:19:16modems and I i've never heard of a read only email client before and it didn't
1:19:22make any sense to me even though I don't write that my gmail anymore
1:19:25compared to you know with slack and and instant messaging picking up a lot of
1:19:28the smaller messages it just didn't make sense to me but I kind of think it is
1:19:35cuz I think it's exactly that use case for you said where it's really even
1:19:38though you can read the whole message and watched just in case maybe it is
1:19:41important it's really just about those first few lines like is this something
1:19:46you wanna go deal with right now and I do things I do think there's an anxiety
1:19:53reduction in that absolutely it saves it you're exactly right anxiety reducing
1:19:58his what's the alternative
1:20:00you get a notification your you get a buzz in your pocket while you're having
1:20:04a conversation with some somebody it's rude to check the notification so then
1:20:08you have the anxiety of not knowing what it is so I think that's that's it that
1:20:13sums it up right there in an instant is just suddenly just from the ability to
1:20:20turn your wrist
1:20:21you know forty degrees towards you and glanced down at a you know that you
1:20:26don't have to pay attention to it and you go about you go you go on with the
1:20:29rest of your conversation jim has a really cool app for that part of it is
1:20:34true that from but I feel like the iPhone app is actually pretty is the new
1:20:37york times and I never had the New York Times thing on my phone I do read the
1:20:42new york times on the web alot
1:20:44and I but I never really use their apps but I wanted to test their watch out and
1:20:49and what they had one of the apps it came out like the way you know really
1:20:53early like the day after I got the review unit so it was like really there
1:20:58weren't that many third-party apps in the App Store yet to try so I wanted to
1:21:01try and the reason why is that they unlike every other news organizations
1:21:06have ever granted temporary permission to send notifications for they really do
1:21:12only send you notifications for important like so days will go by and
1:21:17they don't send you any notifications because nothing really happened but then
1:21:21you know like you know like the earthquake when the earthquake hit over
1:21:26in the Paul that it's something I i dont that was that was actually worth you
1:21:30tapping the unrest to tell me that it had happened and I know I know where I
1:21:38was going that well I mean just once against just enough it's just the
1:21:43important stuff it doesn't need to bring you every time you know that it says I
1:21:52don't like I have the breaking news app on my phone I have circa and you can
1:21:59scroll through the top five stories and and then you're good and if you want to
1:22:06go any deeper but it did like so here's another question do you find yourself
1:22:10like lying awake it like in bad guy you watch on you want to consume more
1:22:18content through the watch other than because it's a new toy to play with it
1:22:23only only in the first few days when I had it and that that is totally worn off
1:22:27like I don't want to consume any content
1:22:30another example is very common for me I mean I'm guessing it's probably come in
1:22:36for everybody who listens to podcast this is the whole reason I think people
1:22:39like podcast
1:22:40is that we as you know the type of people that you and I are we just cannot
1:22:47bear to be bored at all for like 4 15 seconds I cannot you know and and Louisa
1:22:54keds entire bits about you know how this shows up what's wrong with us but like
1:22:59if I'm in a store and there's two people ahead of me at the register on my phone
1:23:04Twitter or something because God forbid I don't have something to occupy my mind
1:23:09for the next 45 seconds
1:23:11never tempt me to to go to the watch the watch isn't a do something don't bore me
1:23:18again if I'm taking action I'm I want to go find something not to be bored by I'd
1:23:24still go to the phone I think to go to the phone like the watches for things
1:23:28that you don't have to think about and I mean I don't like us certain and again
1:23:33they do you know how Apple's using the word it's an official name of the
1:23:36features glances but I think it's brilliantly chosen word what classes do
1:23:42you know that's a good question I feel like I have been thinking about it like
1:23:47I'm waiting for my mother walked over to come out thinking that I would set up
1:23:51differently and probably have a lot fewer classes I seem to have a lot and I
1:23:56kind of feel like glances are like you really should just make them your
1:24:00favorites and then that's like the quickest way to get to those things they
1:24:03do because then you don't have to go to that home screen where there's just a
1:24:06little but just swipe up and swipe over and there's a glance yeah I mean when I
1:24:11first saw the the idea of glances I thought that it was just used to
1:24:15consider it like your dog or something
1:24:18yes he does your shortcuts but I i think thats not what they intended for it to
1:24:23be because theoretically you can access any of your apps pretty easily anyway
1:24:28you don't need a shortcut I think it's just like the little bits of information
1:24:33that you aren't accessible to you very quickly without having to launch the app
1:24:38as well I think but I don't have too many of those things I mean like power
1:24:43but you know battery power as one of them have yet but I find it with the
1:24:49battery power know maybe it's different for you and that I would be interested
1:24:52to hear that
1:24:52I like right now mine is that 76% so and we're recording its nine o'clock eastern
1:24:59so mean it's mostly through the day
1:25:02yeah mines at 59 but I pretty much obsessively like my wrist every time I
1:25:11but i think thats a 3842 factor you know like join us turn and I were talking
1:25:15about it
1:25:16Apple's promise battery life is all for the 38th and then they just sayin real
1:25:21small print the 42 will get longer battery life in most contexts and so but
1:25:24they don't say how much more cuz they don't want people to feel bad about
1:25:28their 38 they just wanted to get the one that's gonna fit fit you right and I'm
1:25:32sorry that well I just think that the battery life is not an issue
1:25:38yeah it's not it's not gonna screw anybody at the end of the day like when
1:25:41they need to do whatever thing you get used to everyday everynight you click on
1:25:47the charger and and that's that's all you need to do it's like yet you like
1:25:53you like you said you never have to think about it and there are so many
1:25:55things like that that you don't have to think about that I think it's great it's
1:26:02just becoming more and the tech is becoming more and more see most visible
1:26:06and invisible
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1:28:52still over in in he's he's back he got back two days ago thanks for asking I
1:28:58was worried about ya he got out the UN so he was leading a crew of volunteers
1:29:06doing a dental clinic he does that every year in Nepal he goes to India as well
1:29:12and they do Guatemala and soyuz leading a crew and appalled when he had been
1:29:17there for a few days when the earthquake hit and and that basically sort of shut
1:29:23down the building damaged a lot of the building where they were where they do
1:29:27the clinic so they couldn't do the clinic but then it was just about
1:29:31getting all these volunteers out safely and see you know flight or shut down for
1:29:35many days and then once everybody was stationed out with very minimal
1:29:43communication with the rest of my family we we didn't quite know what was going
1:29:47on he managed to get out and days ago and he was on the news and how much do
1:29:55you have a link in my inbox so that'll be fine
1:29:55you have a link in my inbox so that'll be fine
1:30:00put that in the show no that's amazing story and it's a great thing that your
1:30:04dad does your dad was a dentist are is dentist now he's retired as it gets
1:30:10damaged spaceship terrorist operations were also basically sort of pseudo Star
1:30:17Wars themed with like you know mechanical doors automatic doors and
1:30:22that's in other words that's right that's what you as a patient as with you
1:30:26it's it in like a little star ship captains chairs and indicate that there
1:30:31were other video monitors everywhere you know old-school a tease video monitors
1:30:35there was like star steel I think you'd like real production designers do the
1:30:39interiors of the offices when we came up with this idea and everything was in
1:30:44that light grey coming star wars in inside spaceship yeah is that it was
1:30:49pretty neat as a kid and my robots and things and makes being a desk or I mean
1:30:55honestly but anyway what a great story glad to hear that is OK of course I love
1:31:03you too and I'm sentimental yeah I know he used to go to Macworld right here
1:31:09coolest dad ever spaceship desk chairs and took it a Macworld
1:31:14yeah he's a good guy all tried to convince him to go again he was when
1:31:23there is quake-hit he was like he was getting acupuncture done and he had like
1:31:27electrodes hooked up to as his feet and he had his eyes closed and opened his
1:31:33eyes and noticed that the whole world was shaking and things are falling off
1:31:37the shelf everybody is running out of the office where he was he just ended up
1:31:42running out of the office with the electrodes strapped to his feet now way
1:31:46yeah I think you're going to say that he thought that maybe the electrode so I go
1:31:50to power who does what goes through your mind I don't know that a natural thing
1:31:56for human to experience no definitely not I mean even though you guys as as
1:32:01Californians are probably more accustomed to thinking about earthquakes
1:32:03but I don't drive me I would be the last thing that would
1:32:10would be like what the hell is going on in like a minute later someone say that
1:32:14was quick to me of course it doesn't it doesn't even occur to me ya know I mean
1:32:20it was huge
1:32:25here's an idea that popped into my head with a watch and hear you think is as we
1:32:30got I'm trying to think zig-zagging between
1:32:33agree details on the watch today and and big picture thought like whatcha gonna
1:32:37be like in five years is one thing I can't imagine not having on the watch
1:32:43because I can't figure out how they would they would do the angles to make a
1:32:46practical is how they put a camera on yeah I mean like it's interesting you
1:32:50said that cuz I think that's the number one missing thing right now
1:32:56hardware wise and I did to me would be in it would be pretty natural I don't
1:33:02think it would be a front facing camera looks up at you because I think what
1:33:08that the main use case of it is that you want to shoot a picture of something
1:33:13else you said your face is not a FaceTime camera it's a you want to avoid
1:33:19that seven seconds delay between reaching you know seeing someone you
1:33:23want to take a picture of reaching your pocket launched the camera out
1:33:27picture you want to avoid that so you just raise your arm and the cameras
1:33:32pointing outwards and there's your camera and actually like that cuts the
1:33:37experience down to maybe what to add three seconds and I can hardly think of
1:33:43a number of times you know I have a two-year-old you never know what you
1:33:47never know what's amazing funny thing is going to do next and there's there
1:33:54there's already been lots of times when I when I thought if I could raise my
1:33:59wrist and shoot yeah I well I think that you know for reasons trivia game I i
1:34:06wanna be able to shoot mckittrick at 22 the deadly serious like the current
1:34:12world where ordinary citizens have a phone with them within seconds of being
1:34:19launched at all times
1:34:21has changed the relationship with the police all around this country like a
1:34:26big part of what's going on with the protest in Baltimore and other cities is
1:34:33a lot of ways based on footage it come out there people shot on their phone to
1:34:37give you in with news is breaking it it's just getting to be at this point
1:34:42where it just seems like we've always got a camera with us and the lens can be
1:34:47anywhere right lens lenses like sort of the easy part it's this in the sensors a
1:34:53little bit more difficult than the capture making mechanism is in the
1:34:56storage is more difficult than that but I feel like it won't be too long where
1:35:02the lens is really on everybody's so where do you think they would put it
1:35:07like oh I have no idea i i I am in industrial Dr person there was there was
1:35:15a Samsung phone or not phone watch that that that that had it built into the
1:35:20wrist strap and absolutely and what my experience with that I love telling the
1:35:26stories I was shooting a commercial where I was on camera and what they do
1:35:32win with wardrobe and continuity and everything is the second assistant
1:35:37director is their job to come over and take a picture of you after every scene
1:35:41so you know they know exactly what your wardrobe and so our 2nd ed was all day
1:35:45throughout the shoot coming over with as little point and shoot camera snapping a
1:35:50photo you know saving it for and towards the end of the day he he said oh let me
1:35:58grab me real quick take a picture he didn't have his camera with him so he
1:36:03held up his Samsung what is it gear the end I think that there they become so he
1:36:10lifted up his Samsung watch any snaps a photo is it ok we're good and I was like
1:36:16wow why do I know that the Apple watches and gonna do that but I already wanted
1:36:21to write I want the future but I know that they're not going to build it and I
1:36:25can see why Samsung put it where they did on
1:36:28strap but it made the strap everybody in a lot of the reviewers said it down on
1:36:32the strap is is not comfortable because it's you know electronic circuitry
1:36:36between the side of your wrist and the watch face makes it thicker and it it
1:36:41defeats what clearly a central part of Apple watches design which is this idea
1:36:47of band swap ability so I wouldn't go there but I can see why ergonomically
1:36:54they put it there anyway the tension and I see is that it seems to me like that
1:36:58the tension is I expect to have a camera with me at all times but I also now feel
1:37:03like soon enough I'll be able to go with just my Apple watch and you know yeah
1:37:08but yet then I wouldn't have a camera with me so then I feel like they're for
1:37:13dot dot dot they have to have a camera eventually yeah I mean it's gonna be
1:37:17iteratively in the first version of the camera on the watch if there is one is
1:37:21gonna look like garbage just like the first you know the first camera on the
1:37:25iPhone look pretty bad they do you ever go back throughout your photos librarian
1:37:29look at the first I thought it the iPhone pictures you took yeah yeah they
1:37:34look terrible and and that's okay and there wasn't a front facing camera
1:37:38efforts and that's ok and it didn't shoot video
1:37:41not shooting the ball not shooting video is one that every time it comes up now I
1:37:45go back and that everyone go back and make weight is that right
1:37:49double check that I need to go back and check out holy shit did not shoot video
1:37:55and such an Interpol integral part of the products now that we would never be
1:38:00without that it doesn't make sense that they would ever ship something without
1:38:03that in in you know you just have to wonder how many of those things are not
1:38:07in the water and yeah I don't how I feel like there's gotta be some way that they
1:38:12could do it I don't know if it would be maybe it would be a front facing camera
1:38:16so you could use it for FaceTime but then if you turn your wrist away you
1:38:21know you wouldn't be able to see the framing you would just point arrested
1:38:25what you're shooting
1:38:26and hit the digital crown it would snap a photo and then you could turn your
1:38:29risk back to see what what it captured yeah that seems like you would be it
1:38:35would work i mean we're not all framing or iTunes now very specifically anyway
1:38:41yeah I don't have that sort of thing where I could be off base and maybe
1:38:44there will never be a camera on it but I feel like I don't know seems to me like
1:38:47everything gets a camera eventually it gets smaller and faster and everything I
1:38:55love that part of what you have yours and waltzes conversation where you're
1:38:58talking about the iPad and the Rebbe cycles and your reasoning behind it was
1:39:05your resume there was a somebody else's the red the reasoning behind people not
1:39:10updating as much I it was sort of what I was thinking but it was better put into
1:39:16words by that one comment on doctor drags blog like a reader of this blog
1:39:21you know that there was so smart so you can recap it probably won't his case
1:39:29provides 2012 is a succedent the job is that guided but it was the basic just
1:39:34was that we're only five years into this you know first iPad was five years ago
1:39:39so we're still in the first upgrade cycle and seems like a lot of people and
1:39:43iPad lasts you know for five years and so we still haven't gotten to the point
1:39:47where you kind of know how many people should be you know if Apple is doing a
1:39:52good job with making new products every year how many people should be buying
1:39:56one every year because the people are still on their first one and they're
1:40:00pleased with it
1:40:01yeah and we and why wouldn't they be it does it does pretty much what what you
1:40:06needed to do which is it you can browse the web video you can do some creative
1:40:13canvas staff and the processor hasn't gotten that much faster and yeah rocks
1:40:21and his dad still uses the virgin when I bet that we that I had originally bought
1:40:26and we gave to him because all he wants is to watch youtube videos all day of
1:40:31like classical music and architecture videos and stuff and it does in doesn't
1:40:36trickery
1:40:37and I and it's such a is it weird to say it's kind of like a secondary devices
1:40:42now I don't think it's weird to say I think it's you know it is what it is you
1:40:45know and I think we're going to get as time goes on we're gonna get more and
1:40:49more secondary tertiary we're just gonna surround ourselves with little displays
1:40:53the watches another one i think is is that I mean you could need but it also
1:40:59could be a primary I think that the second it gets a feature that is a
1:41:03must-have feature the Virgin one doesn't have I think it bc it's not it's no
1:41:08longer secondary devices primary device like you've even like just just consider
1:41:13what would happen if the next if maybe two years from now it's got a camera and
1:41:19people start seeing that people who have just bought the new version to watch our
1:41:25take are getting all these cool cameras or whatever
1:41:29argument's sake it's some other features that you can only do with version two
1:41:33and like you know the fact that the iPad gotta allen's on it was not that killer
1:41:39that the iPad needed in order for people to buy more of them I think you can make
1:41:45an argument that the iPhone one suffered from enough feature constrain that
1:41:54version two is where people started a really buy into it in and it and it
1:42:01allowed him to do more things and you know how many people did you see using a
1:42:06version on iphone even three years after that I thought all the time though
1:42:11really well no actually I guess I would say the opposite my question was kind of
1:42:18leading in the opposite direction I feel like there were that many people if you
1:42:22like the iPhone one kind disappeared quickly ya kabiri began because they
1:42:26didn't in in in the grand scheme of things that in early so that many in the
1:42:29first place I guess so yeah you're right and it could be just like us as a
1:42:33parallel model with the with the water you know what I do know what made me
1:42:37jump on that as a yes was it there's one teacher at the school who
1:42:40was using an original iPhone into like last year and it's cool it's a beautiful
1:42:45it is I Apple device did I say I love the device and you know I just don't
1:42:51think that he was scared you know about the technology era but it it was a tee
1:42:56shot to mind is yes I saw that when teachers to his old iPhone but now I was
1:43:04trying to make is it the the iPhone 1 lacked so many features that then came
1:43:11out in iterative versions that it became obsolete pretty quickly
1:43:17that's what that's what I yeah that's where I was going with ya and so that
1:43:21didn't happen with the iPad but I think it will happen with the watch the watch
1:43:25will start to get new things that only later versions of the watch can have the
1:43:29AM maybe a you know I think it medical centers and stuff like that to you know
1:43:33who knows what I wouldn't I probably would not have predicted it was the
1:43:38camera back then as I don't think our expectation was so low for so phone
1:43:43cameras that I thought well of course these pictures are great it's a cell
1:43:46phone camera and it weird that the landscape for video for mobile video
1:43:51back then was the Flip camera yeah I was just thinking about that because when
1:43:56the first iPhone with video did come out it remember comparing it against the
1:44:02flip in the flip still had better picture and you think well of course it
1:44:06had better picture it's a dedicated camera whereas the writing was on the
1:44:10wall that they just could not compete with Apple in the long run and the
1:44:13sensor technology is advancing its amazing clip that it didn't take long
1:44:18for there to be an iPhone that blew the fuck away and then you know just quality
1:44:23wise let alone can terms of only having one device in your pocket and already
1:44:28being on the internet etcetera ya know but we had you know we have tons of
1:44:34videos from the earlier years of Jonas is life worried you know they were all
1:44:39shot and flips when I dunno if the files are open
1:44:43it's you know it feels like a bygone era he does it because I feel like there's
1:44:53no longer this idea of scarcity well I don't know it's an interesting question
1:44:56did you feel like when you're when you're rolling video on your iPhone do
1:45:00you feel like storage is scarce and you want to keep it till you want to cut the
1:45:04clip short obviously you're not going to shoot it to our video like you know
1:45:08piano recital on your iPhone or something like that but I don't see the
1:45:13clips are gonna be like a minute two minutes at the most
1:45:16yeah well you know the video story for us is weird because so Jonas was born in
1:45:242004 and so far in January 24 Christmas that year my mother-in-law goddess
1:45:33Panasonic MiniDV camera she wanted to say I want to buy you a camera you know
1:45:38I want to know if it was a wonderful day and just do what you tell me what to get
1:45:43and I got a you know I don't know you know like a consumers'
1:45:47dad was a tad camera from 2004 I thought it was cool how small didn't MiniDV was
1:45:52you know but then you know but like so first few years of his life
1:45:582004 2005 2006 especially at all shot on MiniDV tapes and I because they were
1:46:06tapes then you to me you your once you get them over halfway down their tape
1:46:12you're like well I'll just keep shooting because you know it'll say you know they
1:46:16did a little sticker on the tape it says Mother's Day 2006 or something but it's
1:46:21a I might as well just shoot the rest of the tape though because the next time I
1:46:24want to shoot something I want to start with a fresh tape yeah so I think that
1:46:28those early years of his life where I was shooting MiniDV there's a lot of
1:46:31filler footage where I just let the camera go because I figured I'd rather
1:46:36just use up the tape and then the next year is the flip where most of the
1:46:41videos were shot with the flip and then
1:46:43there the clips are like just as long as you want them to be and it's you know we
1:46:49don't need footage of every single present being open on Christmas this is
1:46:52good we got the one where he was most excited
1:46:55yeah and did you think when you had a flip did you think of those videos as
1:47:00files you know now that really but I was always glad that they would be more
1:47:06easily put on a hard drive you know and moved from computer to computer then the
1:47:11DVD MiniDV tapes would never really dealt with yeah I'm just so thankful now
1:47:17that we're moving to this cliche but the era of the cloud and that literally you
1:47:24know it took five days for everything to sink when I migrated to photos but my
1:47:3025,000 photos and my 2000 videos that I shot are also more protected in the
1:47:36cloud may never have to worry about cassettes and never have to worry about
1:47:40you know obsolete disc formats hard drives all that stuff is just like it's
1:47:46somebody else's problem and it is not there is no barrier to going in
1:47:50recalling I don't need a deck to play all that stuff I don't need a special
1:47:55cable right it's just it's just there I think that's a beautiful beautiful thing
1:47:59that a lot of lip service is paid to it because everybody's you know the cloud
1:48:05as it is what it is it's the golden words to express her try to say that
1:48:15cloud is so whatever it's just it straight at this point but it's very
1:48:20real like that storied data storage is sort of disappeared and we don't have to
1:48:25worry about it yeah I like the way I to me it feels like magic when I take and I
1:48:29i take more screenshots with my stupid watch them as people because I'm
1:48:32thinking about tweeting things like about the stupid you may be thinking
1:48:36about it but it's really cool to me that when you do it you take a screenshot it
1:48:41just shows up on your phone and then I was like texting
1:48:46them from my phone to myself we're dropping them they're driving onto my
1:48:49Mac and then I thought I thought you know they just show up in the new photos
1:48:53up and I went to the new photos out there you know says today and there's
1:48:57all your screenshots they just show up you don't have to sit there and and
1:49:01they're playing around here
1:49:02airdrop around yourself you just wait a couple seconds and it just shows up in
1:49:07photos quicker than I mean it's been it's obviously images are heavier data
1:49:14than something like a contact but remember that feeling of like when when
1:49:19I first got it shit together and you could add a new contact on your phone it
1:49:24would show up in your contacts app in your Mac instantaneously yea or a
1:49:27calendar so that's very lightweight data it was still impressive that they got it
1:49:31all working especially after like mobile me but now the fact that they can do
1:49:35that with images which ten years ago with you know everything would have
1:49:41choked instantaneously I think that's incredible and it's it's it's really fun
1:49:48to watch and I think that the one thing that disappoints me as an apple hasn't
1:49:52done a great job of educating people on the fact that it exists and preparing
1:49:59them sure what it what it means
1:50:01with everything that everybody is like constantly collecting with their with
1:50:05their devices I still kind of feel like Apple's nickel and diming people on the
1:50:09cost I feel like the free tier could be significantly higher like I don't I
1:50:13don't mind paying four bucks a month or two for 200 gigabytes or whatever but I
1:50:18kind of feel like the free tier is way too stingy like there's no way it covers
1:50:22everybody's photos and videos and then yeah I bet they open their yeah I think
1:50:29so too that spread seems like that sort of thing that they'll just keep every
1:50:32WWDC the announced the new pricing and no always by the time may rolls around
1:50:37will always be bitching about you know how much it costs because it was prices
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1:56:40friends because they've you know them part of my business for for a long time
1:56:44and I said I truly think they have a great product
1:56:49let's bring it home in 20 last thoughts on watch what do you what he want to
1:56:52talk about that we haven't talked about yet
1:56:54well I mean just we talked about the future
1:56:57a little bit I mean I said the camera what do you what else do you think that
1:57:02the watch has it in two or three years that it doesn't have no I can't figure
1:57:08out how to do it but I can get to me it's got a gain its own networking but
1:57:15then you know you so you don't need an iPhone yeah but that's quite sure you
1:57:21know maybe it's just wi-fi only probably would be at first probably the first
1:57:26step to that would be to have true wifi and I know that it just gets complicated
1:57:30because the watch does support WiFi at a certain level but it's really just using
1:57:35like that back channel wifi to stay in contact with your phone while you're on
1:57:39the same network so like your phone can be all the way on the fourth floor and
1:57:43you're down in the basement
1:57:44you know getting clothes out of the dryer and it still connected because
1:57:47it's under wifi but your phone
1:57:49time you watch doesn't get on wifi like if your phone is in with you period
1:57:55that's really cool I didn't realize that that that worked I cause I heard that it
1:57:59had WiFi and Bluetooth I just have it is I think Bluetooth as a practical range
1:58:05of about thirty feet and you know I think it gets kind of sketchy but it
1:58:10definitely is true I haven't some people have asked like have a test exactly how
1:58:14far away the phone can be no I don't do reviews like that like I'm not gonna sit
1:58:18there with a tape measure and measure whether I get text messages 25 feet do I
1:58:22get 26 for you to buy that but I've definitely had the phone
1:58:26way more than 30 feet away inside my house and I still get text messages and
1:58:31stuff like that and that's a smart because the only places you're gonna be
1:58:34that far away from your phone in the first place or places where you know the
1:58:38wifi you have your on the WiFi network and it's a friendly place otherwise
1:58:44you're outside of a network and you're worried about everybody still in the
1:58:48stuff see ya so I don't have the business of it would work because you
1:58:53know even if you buy a cellular iPad you start to pay at least you know like
1:58:5715 bucks a month to get some kind of thing and nobody wants to keep spending
1:59:03ten fifteen bucks a month but there's got to be some kind of way i think that
1:59:06once they can shrink cellular antenna and trade it in a watch and not have it
1:59:11you know
1:59:12decrease the battery to less than a day that it'll have independent cellular was
1:59:18it ok to is it fair to say that I don't really want that like i dont yeah I feel
1:59:22like if I stepped back to 2002 when we were hugging our iPods up its troops
1:59:29firewire to your max in order to manage the libraries on if you asked me would
1:59:35you like if you could just have music on your iPod you didn't need to do it three
1:59:40or even the iPhone you know the iPhone you still need to connect your Mac in
1:59:45the beginning then you ask me like it would you want that to happen CDs do
1:59:49everything what I'd probably says it probably say no I'm good at keeping
1:59:54everything on my Mac and then just managing it there
1:59:58yeah I think you underestimate I don't think it's because it's not because I
2:00:02think that you want to do a lot on your watch without the phone again I don't
2:00:07think that's ever going to change but I do think though that you should be able
2:00:10to do is not worry about how close you are to your phone should give you wanted
2:00:14to in our and fracture sizing I think that's a huge one is that you don't have
2:00:18to have your stupid phone you know strapped to your arm in a band or
2:00:22whatever and then you go for a run for five miles and if an important education
2:00:27convener still gonna get it to take its gotta happen eventually but i dont have
2:00:31you have to switch to some kind of plan read everything is sort of all the card
2:00:35you know you just sign up you give Verizon $100 a month and you get all
2:00:38your devices it sort of works with the family plan now but yeah I can see it I
2:00:44can see that I know cos III was almost missed a GPS is another one and I know
2:00:49that the people who run and bicycle that's the number one thing that they've
2:00:54they feel like this first ones missing that makes sense I mean I first iPhone
2:00:58didn't object GPS and it felt like you had to do is bullshit triangulating to
2:01:03get yer
2:01:03location on a map which seemed like a jet pack chillin with not a prize not
2:01:10concern for me I'm not an avid sportsman so I like maybe that's why but I have
2:01:16GPS pretty accurate GPS on my friends so helping me sweating yeah but at the
2:01:22exercise of the people who are really into fitness wanted they want to go
2:01:25without the problem they want to just six the watch is so much better than you
2:01:29don't have this you know it is no good way to run with the phone on the really
2:01:34ended they just want to go and do it and that without GPS they feel like they can
2:01:40because I did so many of these out for like bicycling Wednesday they have like
2:01:44they already have like three years of like every single bike ride they've had
2:01:48their exact map of where they've gone and they don't lose the same way that we
2:01:52were talking before about what to watch for now that you've got to watch out for
2:01:55a week and you've got like this week worth of activity things you want to
2:01:58keep wearing a watch tomorrow because you want to you don't want you to want
2:02:01to lose gifted yes but they've already got there already used to having that
2:02:06GPS data I keep my phone in the little thingy packed like they are they make
2:02:11these like really slim profile fanny pack see where I don't really really I
2:02:17left john grew really both fanny packs as well we can't even is very low
2:02:23profile you can even see it under this book but it's ok so my cable tweeted the
2:02:34other day was a cable or maybe somebody we did regardless what he had a waiter
2:02:42asked him if he saw his watch and said Oh you have the new iPhone watch I
2:02:48thought that was kind of fascinating that it's a waiter asked me yesterday
2:02:52yesterday ok I see i watch can you can show me what it does I watch make sense
2:02:58whatever that's the that's the go-to iPhone watch made different kind of
2:03:02sense because that means that people are some people are just naturally
2:03:06associated with the hub being the computer that connects to being the
2:03:11iPhone I think that's kind of cool on top of which it kinda looks like an
2:03:17iPhone 6 it yeah and I think it kind of does it is an interesting way to say it
2:03:24and it does sort of I i wonder whether inter side Apple how much they were
2:03:29worried about the fact that they're selling it as a thing you have to have
2:03:33with an iPhone you know that it is that a bitter pill for people to swallow that
2:03:38this thing really needs to be in within 30 feet of your iPhone at all times to
2:03:42functionality I don't think so I think I could be wrong but I think people would
2:03:49look at people like myself would look at it as an advantage I think it's also
2:03:54it's like a tether was tether and where we I mean it's what it just means to me
2:03:59is it makes my watch that much powerful gives my imbues my watch with the power
2:04:04of an iPhone which has been working for eight years to be as powerful as it is
2:04:09it really the one thing that really struck me early on was how much the
2:04:13watch want to be in contact with your iPhone because as soon as it out of
2:04:17range of your I finally get to power your iPhone off you get like in my
2:04:21opinion is almost an ugly icon not ugly like that it was poorly drawn because
2:04:25it's like a red you know where the -notify know what youre so if you turn
2:04:31your phone off the watch gets a little icon up at the top a little red it's
2:04:36like a little red phone with a line through it like it's saying I can't I
2:04:40can't find my phone that compared with and there's no there's no way to get rid
2:04:45of that icon until you're back in range of the phone again it's just it it at
2:04:51first I thought wow they really made that glaring but then I realized using
2:04:55it that it's because the watch really does want to be within range to the
2:04:59phone I gets its like lacking in oxygen when it's not good not doesn't have the
2:05:04phone so how cool is that pairing process of appointing your phone at your
2:05:12watch I think it's so great and I think I am guilty as charged that I haven't
2:05:17sung it praises
2:05:19that I feel like it unheralded how good the pairing processes incredible
2:05:24beautiful could have been a QR code thank God it wasn't just like magical I
2:05:30can't I can't think of the last time I had an experience with tickets that
2:05:35magical as with the first time I slid the power on the I for the first iPhone
2:05:40is showing a picture of the world was like holy crap this is a magical thing
2:05:44that unboxing experience of point your phone at year at the weird magic I type
2:05:53yeah graphic on your on your watch that was just some smart smart conservative
2:05:59yeah and thats as as it sinks the first time it to me the animation is just
2:06:06gorgeous it's very simple very you know but it but it's a sweat so many details
2:06:11in a process so like there's a watch on the phone like a picture of a watch on
2:06:18the phone as the phone app is syncing with the watch and the animation on the
2:06:23fake watch that shown on the phone it stays in perfect sync with the animation
2:06:28you know the progress in Iran on the watch itself so cautious signaling to
2:06:36you these two things are connected and I feel like maybe the perfect way of so
2:06:43many like capping the show is like you told me when we were texting back and
2:06:49forth when you have the watch and I didn't yet and you told any said I
2:06:53realized what sort of you wrote this piece about it but he said I i realized
2:06:57what the phone it or what the watches what what did what would you say it's
2:07:01not just a really cool digital watch yeah it's a cool as digital watch it's
2:07:05it's it's like the most sophisticated digital watch you've ever seen any and
2:07:13you know it does and I think the most futuristic thing probably in an old
2:07:19world context of what is a watches like that you can make phone calls with me
2:07:24that's pretty awesome it's not something I would put into practice
2:07:30hardly ever
2:07:31I think it's awesome that my watch rings when I get any call and I can decline it
2:07:35from there but I would never like especially in front of people I've never
2:07:38really take a call on my watch and just seems like a weird thing to do but it is
2:07:45super futuristic and bond like but to me I think if I were to summarize what the
2:07:50watches I would say it's a really cool second Street rewrite yeah yeah I would
2:07:56totally green strapped to your body so it's always that I will say this I have
2:08:03to say this before we go because we didn't really talk about the touch the
2:08:06Dutch communication but that's hard for you to talk but here's the thing is hard
2:08:12for you to talk about though cos Roxana doesn't have what you have hers and you
2:08:16have viewers yeah so like she's the most intimate person you know
2:08:21connected to me so I have yet to try that out and so like I i mean you you
2:08:27sent me a text message that I only just got like we're halfway through the show
2:08:32cause I was ignoring me now that was my way of I wanted it to be like are you
2:08:36ready
2:08:37yeah okay that was that that that's that's nice I just did like I said you
2:08:40don't text like a great idea so I have yet to prove out that use case I think
2:08:48for myself whether it's a heartbeat or whether it's like drawing a sketch to me
2:08:53the screen is way too small to draw anything meaningful and for some reason
2:08:57the only thing I can think to draw is a ticking bomb do that the next meaningful
2:09:03thing is a happy face that you can so I just end up not using I sent a lot of
2:09:08happy faces no but you know I said this before it's it's it's so true is that
2:09:14for those features and so many people after my initial review came up there
2:09:19like to do how many did give you did they give you to see can test the
2:09:23drawing in a way that we tested the drawing was I could send taps and
2:09:27heartbeats and tools to people who worked at Apple and I did it just to see
2:09:34their work but it always felt a little weird because it's like
2:09:37all of those communications seemed way too informal and the harpy one to me it
2:09:42really does I hate to use the word because it sounds corny but it really is
2:09:46a little intimate it it doesn't seem like something you would send somebody
2:09:49who have a professional relationship what do you do me a favor as an
2:09:53experiment I've got a tap message cued up I'm just gonna try try drawing
2:10:00something is the first time I've done this in real time ok somebody seems
2:10:19sometimes a little late so I don't know taps getting your temps that's nice like
2:10:31raindrops so wait what am I just draw a picture but did you add me to the right
2:10:46now it is alright so it works in action shock is the future
2:11:05I did that the dollar and I kind of guessed went down but was gonna get a
2:11:10review and I was checking and you can tell somebody has an apple watch because
2:11:13then when you put them in your friends and you go to their friends they they
2:11:17get the third button down you know and see instead of this phone contacts you
2:11:21can also send digital touch so I just kept waiting for Dalrymple to get the
2:11:25digital touch and in soon as he did I i cinema similar dry so I could so that I
2:11:29could be feels good
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