0:00:00so join at CERN you have a new puppy and it's a boy
0:00:04what's-his-name attaboy what's his name his name is browser yeah yeah as in not
0:00:14as in Safari Firefox or Chrome browser shout we show no platform platform
0:00:22agnostic in the family somehow browser makes for a good dog named but anyone at
0:00:26the individual ones would be a terrible I know we had so many things on the list
0:00:31and my wife said no to pretty much every other technique my head on the list I
0:00:36mean I think where he is a mistake I think we should have named Tim korte try
0:00:41to think which browser would make for the worst name ie he could be right
0:00:48chrome sounds cold are you crashed again he crashed yeah yeah so adorable he's
0:00:56really adorable I have turned into that person that I hate which I'm constantly
0:00:59posting photos of my puppy doing like the same thing that he did five minutes
0:01:03ago
0:01:04like right now he's sleeping under my desk and I am doing taking everything in
0:01:08me not to post another photo of him
0:01:10Firefox sounds like a cool dog named it does there have been a little bit like
0:01:15an identity crisis for my fiance Internet Explorer is the worst name for
0:01:19a dog and I'm gonna say Firefox was the best if you are if you were to name your
0:01:24dog after any individual browser yeah yeah I mean netscape would have been
0:01:29cute maybe you're watching yes one of the little details of wearing a watch is
0:01:39it now there's yet another thing to make sure his silent I know I'm going to
0:01:44silence it maybe I'm not you know what I'm not going to emphasise how many
0:01:48times it goes off that's right I actually find I guess we're just diving
0:01:53right into it I found even wrote about this that the watch works way more
0:01:57naturally to me was sound off I have sound off I would say in the I guess
0:02:02it's been two weeks I guess I was recording we've had it for two-plus
0:02:05weeks two weeks of daily use
0:02:08I think I've had sound off
0:02:1099 percent of the time actually it's funny cuz I usually like when I put it
0:02:15in do not disturb motor or silent mode I forgot about it and then when am i knoo
0:02:22have heard the sound in awhile i turn it back on the top deck yes I still getting
0:02:31the alerts
0:02:32it's the noises for them that that I don't have on ya you know what I haven't
0:02:37had that on that much either to be honest because if I'm in meetings or
0:02:41suffered I turned that off and it's not just about interrupting people to me
0:02:45it's I don't know somehow in my mind it just feels right fuels right that the
0:02:49watch is tapping me to say hey I've got something sound to me it's day I had
0:02:54that with my phone I don't know it does it it just doesn't seem right to me that
0:02:58my my watch is making noise the only sound I have on my phone is for my email
0:03:03message pretty much everything but I do think I'm on the fence about this I
0:03:12can't quite tell I kind of thing and this is one of the things that even two
0:03:16weeks and I can't quite make up my mind I kind of feel like I want the tactic
0:03:19engine to be a little bit stronger really just a little and it just seems
0:03:26like every once in awhile I miss one its MS-one I I had that too I definitely had
0:03:31that where I miss one but sometimes I feel like maybe it's cuz my family needs
0:03:35lube is a little bit loose my lip is loose sounds sounds really bad though
0:03:41you can it's just a it's the question of how comfortable it is you wanted it
0:03:46tighter you could just title yeah yeah I find it so comfortable I mean I cannot
0:03:52overestimate how comfortable is think it yeah I i it seems to imply did not get
0:03:57to spend time with that I wasn't sure what they were going to do in a few like
0:03:59which one are you marry again we're in the link bracelet again that 90% of the
0:04:04time that I have I think everybody got the white sport band I now have the
0:04:09ticket regardless I remember from your video to ask for that or they just gave
0:04:14it to us feedback
0:04:17I think they didn't they didn't even i wasnt even offered a choice of sportsmen
0:04:24they just gave me white yeah I asked for a black and then they didn't have the
0:04:29black when they came to New York and so they're gonna get me this swap out the
0:04:32black but actually that's a word or so yeah and I've heard from people I have
0:04:37not done the because were you and I are spoiled and we've already got review
0:04:42units I have not done that things have gone to a store and tried on the watches
0:04:47but I have heard from people who have who a bunch of them seem to say that the
0:04:54various port Mansfield subtly different from each other that black is even more
0:04:59subtle subtle than white not that they're radically different but that
0:05:03they're different enough that they feel confident that like with their eyes
0:05:06closed they can't tell which was which I have this problem that the sport ban Noi
0:05:12it's a small problems I didn't really talk about it matured you kind of see it
0:05:15and that video when I'm having a hard time putting it on you know that the
0:05:19small medium and in the in the same one and then at the medium large pan and the
0:05:26medium large band it's a little bit too big like the last one the last hole
0:05:32there's probably a professional work for that whole anyway
0:05:36on that one its it gets a little bit too big step to use the smaller band which
0:05:40makes it much harder to put on but if it's much nicer when I have it on and
0:05:45what I found you know I always change into that for for working out and that
0:05:50fit is so important when you're working out because I found you know I did a
0:05:54couple of workout classes with the Milanese went on a run and i'd really
0:05:57did not find as accurate Hartree tracking and then when I switch it for
0:06:01that sport bandits far more accurate the problem is it takes me forever to put it
0:06:06on because it's a little bit too small but when I finally get it on my wrist it
0:06:11fits perfect I read that interview and it was one of things I want talk about
0:06:15now I understand why you found it a little harder to get on so in other
0:06:18words when you put the smaller than just to step back up I know there's been a
0:06:22lot of confusion on this because I just from people who read the site and email
0:06:27me on Twitter tweeting me
0:06:28when it says that you get two straps with your Apple watch sport what they
0:06:34mean is you get two sizes it's an end that that's true whether you get 38 or
0:06:4040 to see you actually get three pieces the top piece is the same the one that
0:06:46actually has the slot that the other peace talks under and has the pin and
0:06:51then you get to bottom pieces the peace with the holes that you pop the pennant
0:06:5621 is smaller one is larger I see what your saying you're saying that the
0:07:00smaller of them once it's on a better feel but because there's only a little
0:07:05bit left of it to talk under right right I actually wonder like is that really
0:07:12meant for kids like who has that smaller wrists for their really when you when
0:07:17you get on like the closest and strap the small and rabbit it's on the other
0:07:20side of the room and I'm afraid I wake up the puppy if I don't get it it's
0:07:25really small yeah I assume I wonder if the bands are the same site they must be
0:07:34right the bands must be the same size whether you got the 38 of 42 no I think
0:07:38that the 42 probably bigger because the 42 now I think that yeah I think that
0:07:45the big one on the 42 is just humongous it is it's almost i i would i would
0:07:54guess that there are very few men on the planet for whom the larger of the 42 is
0:07:59still not be enough it is truly truly getting a belt on my wrist so the small
0:08:04one actually for me with the 42 and you know I'm not my restaurant particularly
0:08:10large I think there are some of the tallest I am they're probably a little
0:08:14bit on the small side but the smaller one I used the smaller one with the 42
0:08:19and I'm only like three holes into it like I actually have 5527 homes so it's
0:08:30not even halfway on the smaller on its actually have their very
0:08:34the 42 their very large
0:08:36and I definitely definitely definitely think that the 38 small one is
0:08:41definitely meant to range down to kids sizes because we've done that thing
0:08:44where you know Apple has the years with you know measure your wrist in
0:08:49millimeters and here's the ranges and for Jonas whose only 11 and is a pretty
0:08:54slight for an eleven year old boy he easily is within the range I guess not
0:08:59even you know he might even have to despair is getting one he wants one
0:09:06I think there's some question over report cards right evading get one but
0:09:12he desperately wants one man I'm trying to think of what I used to work for when
0:09:19I was younger I think money it's our sports I i were true like sports stuff
0:09:25he has denied Shakib I was a huge tomboy so would be like if I could get a new
0:09:30one time really wanted to new basketball upgrade from a crappy rubber basketball
0:09:38to a nice synthetic leather right right that was always my problem playing
0:09:43basketball is if I ever needed a new one I wanted you know $45 synthetic leather
0:09:48Spalding and parents are you nuts this year's a $17 basketball be like that has
0:09:53made a Robert yeah and now it now the kids were crap watches that's cute he
0:10:00desperately wanted but I do wonder I wonder like that's really useful for
0:10:05like four kids I wonder what the use cases going to be for them
0:10:09well we can get into that but I am again it's speculative and it's certainly
0:10:15enters you know clearly socioeconomic implications of the idea of
0:10:20at a school where a bunch of the kids have $400 apple launches but in that
0:10:27world I think that the communication stuff is going to be huge right because
0:10:33they have a long I think it's how would you say
0:10:361111 yeah I mean you're not in use they have all these kitty like smart watches
0:10:43I guess I guess that's what they're called but you know they're sort of the
0:10:46trackers that have the built-in GPS and stuff like that i mean it seems like
0:10:50that's probably not the right age range for something like this and in terms of
0:10:58communication obviously would be great for parents are keeping tabs on their
0:11:01kids making sure they see Mike alerts or something like that but I don't know if
0:11:06it expands into that tracking texting yeah I know more so than having a phone
0:11:14but that's you know and he's in 5th Grade I can't even imagine what it's
0:11:19like with the girls who are clearly more advanced socially than the boys right
0:11:25but even with his friends there's the texting has really taken off this year
0:11:30like 5th grade seems to be where the boys in his class really taken off with
0:11:34texting and I don't even pay attention to it my wife does just to make sure
0:11:39it's nothing inappropriate or whatever but it just seems inscrutable it's like
0:11:45gibberish
0:11:46it's like a foreign language well that without brings me to the best part of
0:11:51your review your view is great but I have to say the best part of your
0:11:54viewers your your teen romance at the end which is also the part that got the
0:11:59most like you are you freakin serious this is a bunch of crap you know you can
0:12:05see you can either for Syria the type of person who can see that scenario or not
0:12:09and the people who cannot see it
0:12:11think that you know that I know I don't drink too much or as a whiner everyone I
0:12:15wrote that part but I meant it seriously I really did I mean I think if if
0:12:23anything I mean do you think years ago we could have foreseen US communicating
0:12:27at all with emoji no I mean like that i mean as crazy as as some of those graphs
0:12:33and as crazy as some of these emoticons that they put on here and as much as I
0:12:38sort of made fun of them a little bit you just really don't know and like I
0:12:42think it would have sounded crazy twists a number of years ago that like we would
0:12:46all be texting in emojis aren't sometimes complete sentences in them and
0:12:50people understand that like a bad idea is is kind of crazy and I certainly
0:12:56think that visual way of communicating with each other whether it's photos are
0:13:00creepy my hands or creepy heart rates could certainly be WAY bigger than we
0:13:08actually think it might be but I think you were totally right to say that it
0:13:13might appeal to a younger demographic or it just might turn into something that
0:13:18like becomes this language amongst a different sort of generation maybe maybe
0:13:24just shows how old ya know exactly the sort of thing I was trying to get out
0:13:28and I believe it so this is a true story so my wife and I grew up together we
0:13:33were literally in the same kindergarten class and in high school at one point
0:13:39where we will we would one way we would marlys for with each other as we just
0:13:43had a system where we had the same math classes and we had a system where I
0:13:48would have liked but it was the type of type of calculator that someone in AP
0:13:56Calculus in nineteen eighty nine or ninety would have had a bunch of buttons
0:14:00and had memory and had a way to like actually put my characters in there so
0:14:05we had like this complicated system of letters and numbers to make letter you
0:14:10know to make notes and it was incredibly cryptic but then we would just swap
0:14:15calculators and we'd of Notre each other and it was super it wasn't you couldn't
0:14:20actually type it didn't have a disease that you had to skip certain but it felt
0:14:26like it was for proof because anybody teacher taught us all look like as we
0:14:31were swapping calculators and even if they saw what was on the screen they
0:14:34wouldn't be able to understand it and at grade where you have to upgrade my god
0:14:42that's amazing we talked about you know if we are actually worth it
0:14:47hadn't thought about it in years but we talked about in the context of Apple
0:14:50watch and you know what we would have done if we had Apple watches in 11th
0:14:54Grade right right I mean it's also it's that sort of 633 let me see here oh yes
0:15:07my editor trying to get me on the phone right now sorry I'm you deposit podcast
0:15:12right now is fine now I don't know if you did before
0:15:18weight without me that was that was my mind silent because I have my headphones
0:15:26on too so if I'm hearing them i think im hearing in through the side i think is
0:15:34very few people can get a real idea of how many alerts I get back to you right
0:15:40that's an amazing story I mean yeah I think it's like there's also this this
0:15:45idea like sort of slightly communicating with someone when nobody else knows
0:15:48right and so like you were describing the calculator or someone who's in a
0:15:53movie theater or something like that it could be it could certainly be
0:15:57interesting I think yeah I mean I i I made some sarcastic comments about their
0:16:03the certain emojis but they're they're definitely fun there is a there's a
0:16:07bootstrapping issue which ended whether it's teenagers or whatever
0:16:12which is that these the most innovative ways to communicate the drawings that
0:16:17taps the heart beats only watch to watch and so the bootstrapping issue is it
0:16:22only works if the person you want to send these to also has watch and it's
0:16:27weird and so a bunch of people wrote to me after my review came up and they said
0:16:30you know for this particular case I'm surprised Appleton give you two so that
0:16:35you can have your wife or one and then you could try these things out and I
0:16:39think so how did you try those things and the answer is so we like we're
0:16:43sending taps and stuff to people at Apple Apple PR people and and product
0:16:49marketing people
0:16:50I did not I will say this I found it weird enough that I didn't want to send
0:16:56my heart beat anybody does it felt I don't know it just was like a little or
0:17:01no
0:17:02yeah yeah I mean I've been sending my heart rated them a heartbeat Nui Patel
0:17:07for two weeks now and I think it's really brought us closer together that
0:17:12should have in mind and that's what I should have done yeah I think we are
0:17:16really gotten to know each other on another level so I sent to happen to you
0:17:21and you ignored me to do not get them did you miss my tabs like the greatest
0:17:27deaths now if I just get out of my faith taps I don't think I knew they were from
0:17:37maybe they came from my Google phone number maybe I do like what's your area
0:17:44code 267
0:17:46that yeah that's one thing about them the other thing about all three of the
0:17:52watch specific communications the doodles the taps the heartbeat is they
0:17:57are ephemeral and write you so in others there is no record of nowhere to go back
0:18:05and replay them so there's a sort of snapchat enos ephemeral quality to them
0:18:11there is no record of them you know so well they show up in your notifications
0:18:16like you can go access them after you play it it's gone it's gone but I don't
0:18:23even think I got that from ya did you do don't are you just just sent you some
0:18:28time that's right now
0:18:30ataxia I don't I don't think I even have your cell phone number I guess you don't
0:18:35need it
0:18:36yeah he died cloud yes my digital crown really how you know and that seen in the
0:18:45video and I got some 230 tapped tapped you have to go through taps taps yeah
0:18:55that's me Mr Blue taps I'm an ad not gonna block I'm gonna add
0:19:00can you really risk realistically doodle on this screen other than like high and
0:19:09our hard to say what I would've done if I was a teenager but ya see that's funny
0:19:21those who do I guess I didn't have your phone number but now they're sending it
0:19:24as right and there is Joanna sent me a green hi yeah I should and I gotta get
0:19:33here people really appreciate this conversation lol I don't know I think
0:19:39that it's it's I don't know what it is that it is well aware podcast but I feel
0:19:48like it's very hard to its hard to it's really hard to write about and maybe
0:19:52it's easier to talk about it if you're quite enough maybe everyone can hear my
0:19:57heartbeat right now but I i feel were close enough
0:20:05John that I could send you my heart beat right now sure well I got if you feel
0:20:08that way we'll see if you feel that way to return that and I will understand if
0:20:13you don't but I want really
0:20:20I guess you know I gave see this is where I sort of I still get mixed up I
0:20:24gave it a four-step wanna meet ya know I mean it's not it's it's I have had a
0:20:30hard time getting it to catch my heartbeat when I do that it's not like I
0:20:35also have the smaller screen some putting two fingers on the screen which
0:20:38basically takes up the whole screen he did everybody he sent me his heartbeat
0:20:45can hear it I think it's hard to hear well we had to like what we filmed a
0:20:55video based on the mic and it actually done it but I can tell you that to me is
0:21:02is one that's gonna work I think that people beating people are going to use
0:21:06it
0:21:07yeah probably it's just a way of saying I am thinking about you right now
0:21:12certainly if it's if it's someone close to you but I think I think I think
0:21:18there's something that I didn't get to talk about my review and something I've
0:21:22been thinking about like as more and more people where the use the iPhone
0:21:26right like the iPhone became a really powerful tool as more and more people
0:21:29got that right not only cause more apps came out but even just in terms of
0:21:33communicating a message was one thing I think like to me I messages such a huge
0:21:38part of my life even though I don't really think about it but it's part of
0:21:42the thing that sort of Italian communicate with everyone all day long
0:21:45my colleagues my friends my family and the same sort of thing with the watch
0:21:51right like it more and more people have this there might be going to become
0:21:55these ways we can connect to those other people that have them and actually one
0:22:00thing I've been thinking about it I wrote this piece a couple I like a year
0:22:03ago a year ago now about business cards and like I want there to be some easy
0:22:08way where if you see another person with an Apple watch you can easily sort of
0:22:11transmit information or their contact information like a handshake you know
0:22:17what I've been saying about this for years ever since the iPhone came out one
0:22:20of the weird things about the iPhone is that there's nothing like that
0:22:23and the Newton had and Anna people mark the news but the Newton had a thing or
0:22:29if you met somebody else who had a Newton all you had to do is point your
0:22:32ir ports at each other and there was like two taps away and you'd exchange
0:22:36contact cards and it was you know say what you want about the new it was one
0:22:42of the things that work great and it seemed like something I love the idea
0:22:45pointing your I R person seemed like something you should be able to do and
0:22:49you could do it worked and yet here we are in in 2015 you still can't do it
0:22:53with even if you both have iPhones let alone now I did do it where it would
0:22:57work with anybody and that was one of things I i said about the iPhone 6 when
0:23:02it came out with NFC was ok it's great for payments but I kinda wish there were
0:23:06more things you could do when you put this in contact with another phone
0:23:09obviously Android's done some things with you know there being no one really
0:23:13uses bad but it seems like you know especially with Apple products and items
0:23:17like there is this sort of community around using the same thing it just
0:23:23seems like I would love it if I could shake someone's hand and we exchanged
0:23:27contact info I'd also like to see so much potential in the social realm for
0:23:31this like as much as I see it as being a social norm disruptor and have a lot of
0:23:37thoughts about that but I think like for me I also want to ask that like I go to
0:23:42a party or go to a meeting and it tells me who that person is again a lot of
0:23:48privacy concerns about that but like I would love it if I'm at CES serb some
0:23:53conference in some income that's why it's so great to see you that persons
0:23:57wearing an apple watch I'm wearing a nap or watch couldn't it say oh yeah that's
0:24:02right it seems I mean there's a lot of privacy concerns but just like one thing
0:24:09that I could really use in my life
0:24:11yeah I don't know there could be some kind of way where it would be sort of
0:24:15like airdrop where with airdrop you can say only or you can say everyone and
0:24:22then if you were in a situation like you know like a cocktail party or some kind
0:24:30of your you know you're at a conference or or a post them vent press thing
0:24:36your mingling but you know you wanna meet people you could set you could
0:24:39change it to you know open to anybody and then turn it off or even they could
0:24:44even be like the sort of thing where it would it would say like hey for how long
0:24:48like maybe for the next two hours and then go back to being contacts only
0:24:51seems like you know like airdrop shows how you can kind of salt that sort of
0:24:56issue though where ya you know you may not want to be open to the general
0:25:00public all the time but temporarily might want to be actually at the Apple
0:25:06watch launch of an enlarged yet but I forgot his name somebody somebody
0:25:14air-dropped me a photo of them playing with the new MacBook and it just like
0:25:20showed up cuz I guess I had my thing on everyone and I wouldn't think about it I
0:25:24accepted it like it's like someone so once they are drop you a photo and
0:25:27accepted it and it was fun I mean some ways I could see like I didn't really
0:25:31know what I was gonna get before it opened its so yeah but it's definitely
0:25:38my deep thoughts on that
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0:29:09really really pretty so one of the things that struck me about your review
0:29:13so talking about the watch something that but something that I couldn't test
0:29:18I know I just because I don't know but how accurate some of the heart beat like
0:29:23the heartbeat stuff is and I thought that was really interesting because you
0:29:26have a dedicated heartbeat monitor that you just wrap it around your chest and
0:29:32then you can wear when you work out and and you've done tests before for the
0:29:39journal where you you but what was your conclusion of the closest thing you've
0:29:42seemed to like the accuracy of an EKG yes so couple months ago I did this huge
0:29:47project and I'm actually like so happy I did it at the time no one really cared
0:29:50but but now that it was it was actually really looking back on it was something
0:29:54I'm really happy we did I looked at it was when the Microsoft ban came out
0:29:58bases his band had just come out and it just like I kept getting these readings
0:30:03are like yeah I am certainly don't think my heart rate is at a hundred and twenty
0:30:06right now is like walking to work and actually have some places like maybe
0:30:10there's something wrong with my heart so anyway i I had started testing these and
0:30:15so I went to my my general practitioner who actually happens to also be a
0:30:19cardiologist and she did a whole full heart rate work hard work up and turns
0:30:24out I'm perfectly fine which is very very good to know and she also we also
0:30:28did an EKG where you run on the treadmill and have all these electrodes
0:30:32that's the right term
0:30:35hooked up to your chest and your back and yeah I think that sounds about right
0:30:42anyway so she she had that right into that was sort of the constant and I then
0:30:47also used at the same time compared the Microsoft banned the basis of and apolar
0:30:53Chester a choice
0:30:55chest strap monitor and I believe the Fitbit was the other one that I do you
0:31:00should pull up this article and you know found that one of the things we found
0:31:05across all of them was that just it took them quite a while to catch up to what
0:31:09my heart rate actually was and so that was kind of the problem that I was
0:31:13seeing what i do these irregularities know if it would say 120 beats per
0:31:17minute that might have been where I was actually like 10 minutes ago or 20 like
0:31:21you know it just wasn't catching up in real time and so really I you know sort
0:31:27of called out these companies are saying this is not an acceptable like we
0:31:31shouldn't be you should be surfacing information to people that just isn't
0:31:34right and so the thing that did come the closest to the EKG was a polar chest
0:31:40wrap monitor the actual one right now it's the hd7 which works with their
0:31:47polar lipid band and so that was like really really really in line with what I
0:31:51was seen with the achy ekgs and so when I was testing the Apple watch I compared
0:31:57the Apple watch during a cycling class and during a few runs to that same
0:32:02bowler chest strap monitor and found that during during those workouts it was
0:32:07actually really in line it was only a couple beats off you know usually in the
0:32:10range of 5 from the polar and so that was that was really impressive to me at
0:32:16the big thing that Apple since they're doing right is there they've got a
0:32:19really good fit with the sport band on they also say their algorithms are sort
0:32:24of working to flush out things that might not be right and so that you know
0:32:30also when you're working out it's constantly taking the heart rate versus
0:32:34when you're not working out its taking it every 10 minutes so I definitely did
0:32:39notice attempts at look down and see you know glances and see ok my heart rate
0:32:43like for instance right now says 61 beats per minute that's probably seems
0:32:48about right
0:32:49my resting heart rates around 55 beats per minute
0:32:51and you know now it's measuring so it could be off and also you know talking
0:32:56quickly now so it could be higher but yeah i mean that was something I wanted
0:33:01to make sure was was right and I think Apple did a really good job of getting
0:33:06that aspect right i think im in bad shape because mind usually around
0:33:10seventy which seems high for a resting pulse it so I think that's ok I mean I'm
0:33:17I'm fluctuates throughout the day on normal from sort of being 5280 something
0:33:23I just checked it depends on your nerves depends on if you walked around depend
0:33:28on a lot of 6968 just went down relaxing a relaxing yeah I mean I need that was a
0:33:38big thing for me going into this because I have been looking for a device that I
0:33:42can wear all day long and also work out where and so yes you've got a switch
0:33:49this band which is a little bit annoying especially given what I talked about
0:33:52with my sport band thing but that's i mean I can't say that's going to affect
0:33:56too many people you know Apple seems to get around in my big thing with the with
0:34:00it is just not doing enough with that data yet and that's I think we're the
0:34:04potential of the platform as we can go there I think we should talk about it
0:34:08cause it's to me this is the part that I explored the least in my review because
0:34:12I'm not into fitness and combined with that even just little things like with
0:34:17this stupid I think I've got until I see interest until yesterday I was
0:34:20restricted from any kind of vigorous workout likes all I could do was allowed
0:34:25to do is walk which is one of the activities you can do and I do realize
0:34:29you know whether you're older or or you know you have other conditions may be
0:34:33you know outdoor walk is the most vigorous thing you can do so it's good
0:34:37that it's on the watch but it really felt like as a reviewer I was very low
0:34:41credit to it as it has device by going pro people got right now but I know
0:34:48there's more I could have done i'm looking yeah yeah I do feel I feel like
0:34:55it's not just lip service from Apple that they took it seriously as a fitness
0:34:59device like I feel like them billing it as
0:35:02as a full one-third of their primary use cases for it they're totally serious
0:35:07about it but I couldn't be more serious that it's not just a watch that happens
0:35:13to do some of the fitness stuff haphazardly like they are dead serious
0:35:16about common you know even if the main thing you're looking for is a fitness
0:35:21tracking device Apple watch is the thing that you should get something you should
0:35:26consider yeah and I and I that's something I shared my review you know I
0:35:31felt when I started tackling this device like to make it your own and it is very
0:35:37confusing to me out a lot of points there's so much going on and one of the
0:35:41things I knew I wanted to be with a fitness tracker both sort of like
0:35:45everyday fitness tracker throughout my day but also for these exercise classes
0:35:51that I do a couple of times a week and it got really into so like I really
0:35:56wanted a road tested in those and I felt like this things great and that's that's
0:35:59ultimately why I'm gonna buy the sport because I actually began yesterday went
0:36:03to another class and just loved having it on left having sort of a baseline and
0:36:07knowing now as I collect more data where I'm sort of working harder not hard and
0:36:14that's that's again about the potential I think there's a lot Apple could really
0:36:18do with that information
0:36:19the activity apt to me seems like a very very basic Jan one product and whether
0:36:25Apple decides to use that data or some other third-party there's a lot of
0:36:29potential there
0:36:30the joys of urban living
0:36:32yeah yeah yeah I live in a street where the ambulances go by all the time so
0:36:38that talk shows usually riddled with ambulances one of the new york we have
0:36:44not been able to open the windows here for months and so the windows open and
0:36:48I'm not closing it but yeah it's a may 18 yeah it's happy to say can actually
0:36:55live a decent life right now in New York without it being freezing cold we open
0:37:01our windows the temperature where like people in california would be like
0:37:05wearing coats and write it up I think some of the interesting stuff that Apple
0:37:12has done so I know the biggest knock against this the first Apple watch is
0:37:18the lack of door from a fitness perspective is the lack of GPS people
0:37:22who run want GPS tracking people who cycle definitely want GPS tracking and I
0:37:28have friends who are serious about both things and they use you know whatever
0:37:31devices they do use they do things where they get like a map that shows them
0:37:35exactly where they went it was that important to them and anything that
0:37:39doesn't GPS isn't gonna replace what they've already got and that means that
0:37:43they're stuck still carrying their iPhone around with them in if you're
0:37:47already carry your iPhone around for your cycling therefore you're running
0:37:50then what's the point of even having to watch it doesn't do well there's some
0:37:54little things right it's gonna give you a much its gonna give you a heartbeat
0:37:57heartbeat monitoring that you don't get from the phone but that's definitely not
0:38:03but they've tried to do the way they've explained and I don't know how accurate
0:38:06is but if you go for a run with your phone a couple times yet and it knows
0:38:12how tall you are you've entered in your height and weight it kind of gets a
0:38:16sense of your stride you do work i said im gonna go for a run and you do it with
0:38:21your phone and it has GPS then you can start doing it without your phone and it
0:38:26extrapolates it knows well we know what you know his stride is holly is how much
0:38:32he weighs and so it makes some guesses it still not going to give you a map
0:38:35without GPS but it's gonna give you a much better sense of the distance gone
0:38:39yeah and I found that to be pretty accurate after I'd gone for like last
0:38:43in the week of testing this thing all the craziness I like this basically
0:38:48going for like two runs a day plus a spinning class which was just insane and
0:38:54I found one of the runs I did you know I just sort of knew that how long the the
0:38:58pathways and so when I just took the watch on the Rhine experience I have
0:39:04talked about now in a number of podcasts and talked about on interview just took
0:39:08the watch her on it pretty much very it was very very close to saying that it
0:39:13was a two mile run which I knew it pretty much was and you know i just i I
0:39:19thought that experience was great because I had just left with the watch I
0:39:22i preloaded the watch with a play list which was a little bit of a clunky
0:39:26experience but I got it to work I have Bluetooth Bluetooth headset pared to it
0:39:30and then I stopped at Whole Foods bought a coffee and water and ran home which
0:39:34was like just this really freeing experience because I actually hate
0:39:38having my phone with me when I run yeah I mean I've been set up the pieces like
0:39:44what I think that Apple much can disrupt like working out as if like what the
0:39:48iPad did the iPod dead when we had to run with disc now you know like it was
0:39:53used after a run with these clunky things and yes it's crazy like oh yeah
0:39:57would complain about a phone we have to hold up on our arm but it is it's it's
0:40:01annoying so yeah I was like a great extent that a discman might be the last
0:40:07portable Sony product that i've ever bod I think and I remember being so happy
0:40:12with it because it didn't skip that Sony had done this remarkable engineering
0:40:16that you could go running with the same a spinning CD and it didn't skip which
0:40:20was amazing it at those crazy plastic things on the side you'd like in close
0:40:25in five guys remember reading about it is this is pretty daring fireball way
0:40:29pretty damn in this must be late nineties or something but remember
0:40:32reading about how they did it and it was pretty close a little bit of buffering
0:40:35and a little bit of like shock absorption you know to keep the phone
0:40:40but it was a crazy achievement but yeah I mean even even so even though it
0:40:45didn't skip it was a crazy large device to have to to be saddled with while
0:40:49while going for a run right yeah yeah I mean
0:40:54the phone feels that way I mean yeah it's like that sound like a first world
0:41:00problems for sure but it's just nice to have both hands and Mike I mean also is
0:41:06the first time I really started running with the Bluetooth headset that actually
0:41:10stuck in my ears and using this these beats they called power be the same ones
0:41:16they have a red red cable
0:41:19yeah I mean I feel I feel like a little bit of a douchebag winning run with them
0:41:24but you always look a eye mean there's no way to look at this is nothing you
0:41:31can do that to not look stupid you know everybody's wearing tight clothes some
0:41:37years now I got the same beats only thing I don't like about him is the
0:41:41latency in there but I did the research beforehand and everybody says they all
0:41:45have latency yeah exactly I mean like the battery life is really good on them
0:41:50and charger for like a week and a half now I mean I guess granted I've only 55
0:41:58I don't know it's a fifth 1 I've heard yeah I mean some I want my frustrations
0:42:04with notifications is that if I was using mail on my computer I wouldn't be
0:42:08getting as many right because if i'm open if I have mail open on my iPhone
0:42:15and i'm looking at emails I don't get them on my phone on my watch at least
0:42:21they don't they fade to the background you know on my laptop I use Outlook and
0:42:26they don't write because it looked up to the the right I message whatever I do
0:42:35think it works I think that the running with the you know I'm going for walks
0:42:39without the phone and with the Bluetooth and it's free and it's definitely friend
0:42:44and and in addition to that and again this is nothing to do with the watch in
0:42:47particular but it just happened to you know is the thing that was I have got it
0:42:50tested I have to have Bluetooth earbuds so I'll buy some finally break down and
0:42:56buy some it would be just as true if I didn't have to watch but it is
0:42:59it is as free as expected not to have a cable connecting me to from eight years
0:43:04and while working out it's you know a running or whatever it's it's definitely
0:43:09it feels like the future they gotta get that somehow somebody's got to invent
0:43:13something to get the lady down yeah I mean I think the GPS thing not having
0:43:18and watching Microsoft band has GPS and that's what kills the battery already
0:43:26the battery life is it takes a big hit when you're working out with this thing
0:43:32on
0:43:32to me it's exactly like analogous to the original iPhone not having 3G which was
0:43:39you know clearly a lot of the the top-flight phones in 2007 were all
0:43:43coming out with 3G and the iPhone didn't an Apple ID is one of the cases where
0:43:48they worry they just said why they said well you know it would kill the battery
0:43:53you know we we don't he couldn't we don't you know we don't have a way to to
0:43:57do it in a way that sustains the battery life we were hoping for ya so clearly
0:44:02it's gonna come i mean i i would say of all the things people are thinking about
0:44:06for future watch provisions GPS I think it's a sure thing but it's just a
0:44:12question right yeah so you had here's another thing from your review that was
0:44:18interesting to me is that on the days that you exercised their watches battery
0:44:22died yeah I thought that was interesting I didn't have a single day where the
0:44:26watches battery died but I have not been working out in anyway right so I tried
0:44:36to divide up the testing because I knew the last couple of days would be really
0:44:40not a good indicator of normal life because I'd be shooting video with it so
0:44:44much but the first the first three days I i basically made it to the end of the
0:44:52day you know within its a 15% market now is fine by the time I went to bed last
0:44:58night a day I did two workouts and certainly had it was it was pretty much
0:45:04in power reserve mode by 8 p.m.
0:45:06and one of the things I did during my cycling workout with aidid keep the
0:45:11screen on for quite a bit of time and so that it really took a hit on it the
0:45:16reason I did that was one of the things you talked about in your review
0:45:19no because my my arms are on the cycling bike and i cant like doing a glance at
0:45:29it doesn't turn the screen on I basically kept the screen on for most of
0:45:33the time I guess I was most of the time they're tapping it or it was just
0:45:36staying on because it knew it was doing something but yes I like to have liked
0:45:43having an eye on it to see sort of the accuracy of it six yet here's my battery
0:45:51life from the first few days Tuesday didn't apply because that was when I
0:45:57swapped had to swap the first one they gave me out with the second one because
0:46:01the tactic and general isn't working so it doesn't count as I finish finish the
0:46:05day with like 70% but I gotta watch it like 3 o'clock Wednesday 42 Thursday
0:46:12five but I was up until four in the morning and that was a day that I had
0:46:16really really like to spend the whole day playing with the watch and I never
0:46:20put it in the power reserve mode I don't think I don't know if you can set it to
0:46:25do it automatically or not but the way it's by the fault is when it gets to 10%
0:46:29it gives you a tap and a scary warning and it says you're down you know your
0:46:34battery is almost out you wanna go to power reserve and I said no and it still
0:46:38only got 25 when I went to sleep Friday it was over 50% Saturday 37% sunday
0:46:46which was Easter which I say I spent with family but I used it a lot I was
0:46:51testing it so down to 27% oh I think he's driving directions on Sunday to all
0:46:58the brightness that you keep it at I haven't change the brightness so it's at
0:47:01the defaults yeah yeah I mean now here's the big do you have a thirty eight
0:47:09millimeter one and I have a forty-two man apple on their website
0:47:13even says that they they're listed battery life is for the 38th and then
0:47:17they say in small print at the bottom of the page that the 42 she gets longer
0:47:22battery for the obvious reasons really I had not even heard that before that's
0:47:27crazy yeah you know jeff Wyler who also reviewed journal I think he also said
0:47:35the same you know last through the day but yeah i four most days from me that
0:47:41that week of testing I was down for the count around 11 by bedtime 11:30 and
0:47:46then the days that I had done some working out it had died much earlier and
0:47:53you know again that like during that workout period which for me usually it's
0:47:56a 45 minute class which is looking at the heart rate all the time and I had
0:48:03the screen mostly on so if you go to Apple watches website go to technology
0:48:08then it says so we gave it a battery that lasts up to 18 hours and then
0:48:13there's a foot so here's the foot testing conducted by Apple in March 2015
0:48:18using preproduction Apple watchin software paired with an iPhone using
0:48:22preproduction software I think what they mean is it was using
0:48:26iOS 8.3 the phone battery life varies by use and configuration actual results
0:48:34will vary actually they are saying about the 42 here I read that somewhere
0:48:40somewhere I read that the 42 get longer battery life that makes sense I think
0:48:45because I think the battery is bigger compared to the thirty eight then the
0:48:49screen is bigger in terms of needing to light up the screen
0:48:54yeah I mean even though I even on their site they say you know six point five
0:48:57hours for work out
0:48:59yeah I mean it's not abnormal that if you work out more napping all those
0:49:04sensors it's gonna take a hit but in short I found that concerned pre-release
0:49:11concerns that the thing wasn't gonna get through the day was not an issue
0:49:16yes but on the other hand a lot of people have been asked me does your
0:49:21phone
0:49:21worst battery life and I think I didn't do any kind of testing on that and I was
0:49:27also complain with periscope so much periscope is it a battery killer Mike
0:49:34anecdotally though I kind of feel like my iPhone has been getting worse battery
0:49:38life but I'm still getting through the day without charging the I never really
0:49:44get through the day without charging I talked on the phone a lot so I'm not a
0:49:47good person to ask you are you in Manhattan most weekdays yeah so there
0:49:53you go i mean and I've been in New York a couple times the last couple weeks and
0:49:56that the last week or two as I was in New York to get the phone I mean to get
0:50:04the white itself and then I was there over the weekend to see Yankees game so
0:50:09I've been on our end in Manhattan is notoriously bad for your battery under
0:50:15phone just because you have such a hard time getting a signal buildings block it
0:50:18right and I'm there were like I found on a subway I'm usually like constantly
0:50:23looking for those little douchey yeah okay right here right here
0:50:29Twitter right exactly so yeah I talked on the phone a lot that's why i say like
0:50:37I never make it through a whole day for charge because if I work from home on
0:50:40the phone all the time not the best asked yes so it's but you know I think
0:50:49if anything though that most people can can expect to get through the day with
0:50:52their Apple watch yeah absolutely absolutely i mean and especially like
0:50:59there's so much you can do to make it go longer but it's actually really good
0:51:03experiment should try like how long you turning down the brightness turning on a
0:51:08lot off of a couple of notifications how long you could go with that I bet you
0:51:12could get into you know I second full day maybe I don't know it's you know but
0:51:17at least it today how how easy it is to have to charge it every night I thought
0:51:24about this i mean the question for me is like what would I what would it if it
0:51:30was really serving a purpose at night for me I think would be the big
0:51:37annoyance like if I really thought all this was great for sleep tracking or I
0:51:42really locked out wit woke me up in the morning with a gentle vibration on my
0:51:46wrist or something like that but it doesn't do those things so I don't mind
0:51:50taking it off I mean is it annoying to have another charger yes between this
0:51:55and the MacBook that I was reviewing its like enough with the Chargers already a
0:52:02huge pain to me it I feel like I almost cheated cuz when I when I swapped out my
0:52:06the first one that didn't work for the second one just say you want to keep the
0:52:10other charger you can keep the charger so I charger classic so I have and I
0:52:15just left it in my bag and I you know because I was testing it it's on my mind
0:52:18but so when I went to to New York for the weekend again
0:52:22I didn't have to even think about getting it from my bedroom and packing
0:52:25it right but I do think most people would want to I would want to I'd want
0:52:31one that I keep in my bed and I would want one that I keep in my travel bag so
0:52:35that I don't have to remember like I just keep lightning Chargers in my
0:52:40travel bag so I never ever have to worry that when I leave the house for a trip
0:52:45that I remember to pack charger for my phone and I feel like they don't want
0:52:50the same thing for the watch and the other thing I've been thinking about is
0:52:54it comes with a little the little square 5 volt AC adapter that the phone comes
0:53:01with it seems to charge like a mostly empty watch in about an hour and a half
0:53:06to get a full charge I haven't really time did like from a completely dead
0:53:11right did let me pull up my notes on that I it took me about two hours to
0:53:16pull out my first day at a time that is about two hours that was from completely
0:53:20dead
0:53:21basically completely dead like like power reserve actually that day was
0:53:27completely dead
0:53:29well the thing that occurred to me though is that you have to have an
0:53:37iPhone if you use Apple watch their very exclusive about it it's at the you know
0:53:43who knows
0:53:43years from now what you'll be able to do just with a watch but for now it is it
0:53:49not useless it keeps the time and you can use Apple pay without the the phone
0:53:54being in Bluetooth range but most of the south are certainly all the
0:53:58notifications anything that incoming has to come from an internet connection from
0:54:02your parent iPhone so if you're going to go somewhere with your watch you have to
0:54:05have your iPhone with you so I'm kind of I kind of wish the day and shipped it
0:54:10was some kind of charger that two USB ports so that you would only need one
0:54:14thing stuck in the wall but you could charge both your phone and your watch
0:54:20because as it stands are you know most of us it it's another device you have to
0:54:25charge of you know
0:54:26I mean most of us know this is the same way I feel about the macbook charger and
0:54:30here's the thing for me I've and I noticed this I noticed it this weekend
0:54:33again at the hotel we stayed at in New York on my side of the bed there was one
0:54:38open AC adapter and so you know to plug into things bedside I like unplug their
0:54:45lamp or unplug the hotel's alarm clock or something or set up one of the things
0:54:52to charge you know away from the bed away from bedside ya know this is
0:54:57exactly how I felt about the MacBook Chargers I could you just put one more
0:55:01USB port in here
0:55:03bike or something so I'm not walking reckons there's no other ports on the
0:55:07computer and obviously I can get the $80 dog collar whatever by a bee just had
0:55:14another port on that charge and break for my phone or my Apple watcher my iPad
0:55:19or my iMac
0:55:21a working trip and you have MacBook it is to me it's a very common move which
0:55:26is just plug in the MacBook then plug other devices in the USB ports on the
0:55:31thing and it's you know one thing is in the wall but you're charging multiple
0:55:36pastor charging or whatever you want to call it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean
0:55:45i i i jus kinda wish that little metal piece on the thing that looks like a
0:55:51heart rate monitor the charging thing you know that think falls off my
0:55:57nightstand alot Nilay Patel mentioned in his review you wish she had a baddest
0:56:01and I i agree with that
0:56:02wish there was some better way to prop up the watch on the nightstand yeah I
0:56:09agree I know it just keeps falling for me like a keep every every you know even
0:56:13if I string it around the back I guess that's what I should do but if it just
0:56:17keeps falling off the front and also again like I like you said I've been
0:56:20hoarding this thing all over the place
0:56:23alright I found that I will put it out there is a page at apple.com / watch /
0:56:28battery died aged him and that's where they say that the all the testing was
0:56:33conducted under thirty eight millimeter and this is directly quote from Apple
0:56:37AAPL watch battery performance claims are based on test results from the
0:56:40thirty eight millimeter Apple watch a forty two millimeter Alba watch
0:56:43typically experiences longer battery life they haven't you think I mean I
0:56:49guess you know given the surface Basu screen as well and I think it's exactly
0:56:54like with the iPhone 6 and the six plus six plus does have a bigger screen but
0:56:59it also get better bad bigger battery life because it is it's just more
0:57:04important a bigger bigger battery is more important than the detriment of a
0:57:10bigger screen to light up
0:57:15yes I pulled out my notes here I started charging the watch at 7:33 p.m. and it's
0:57:21finished charging at 9:20 p.m. so just under two hours but I had my my
0:57:27sixth-grade science experiment we had to do a science fair experiments scream in
0:57:31mind I did mine on batteries and the theory I wanted to test was ok everybody
0:57:37knows alkaline batteries last longer but are they cost effective doesn't do you
0:57:42actually is it worth your money to spend for the alkaline or just buy the cheap
0:57:46ones and use more of them and so far to conduct an experiment I put them into
0:57:50like a standard eveready flashlight you know like that just that seemed like
0:57:57that plastic flashlight and the problem was they all even the cheap batteries
0:58:03would would run the flashlight for like like 20 some hours and so it kept dying
0:58:09while I wasn't looking at it you know I like while I was sleeping so my parents
0:58:14started getting really mad because just to get light one set of data to actually
0:58:19is notice when the light was burned out it took me likes like three or four
0:58:23tries each
0:58:24and I could imagine trying to test something like that it's like you have
0:58:29to keep looking at it to make sure if it's fully charged and if you miss it
0:58:32and you have to start all over again it's sure I did have notes up to 80% and
0:58:37it was at eighty percent at 8:38 also the results of my experiment were there
0:58:44alkaline batteries were worth the money so now I feel like getting it out on the
0:58:51podcast makes all the effort I did 30 years ago those batteries and see if I
0:58:57can put them to take another break and it seems a good time for a break and we
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1:01:56now we've got a Father's Day 2009 today's podcast every time I gotta buy
1:02:05gifts I've or less than I guess I could listen we haven't even talked about the
1:02:11software and I feel like I've barely wrote about I so I like this couple more
1:02:16thousand words still in draft am working on its coming out soon I it's there's so
1:02:23much it is such an ambitious 1.0 product and I feel like it's not even there are
1:02:30things to complain about and there are things to praise it's you know and some
1:02:34of the things to complain about are clearly just 1.0 issues some of them I
1:02:39think there may be deeper design questions but it's just so expansive it
1:02:44is really really it's it's the hardest product review of it without question
1:02:50I agree with you and we we had the ability of the pleasure of having to
1:02:56reviewers which was a good way to break it up but still there's so much that can
1:03:02be written about this thing yeah you guys dad to and recode had to
1:03:07but yeah definitely I think helped to get comprehensive coverage from one
1:03:12publication cause I really felt like I do just no way I could cover in a week
1:03:20here's one of the complaints from your review well I here's what I say it's a
1:03:26line that day noted you wrote I love that you can customize the colors and
1:03:29details of the watch faces though I do wish you can personalize it more with
1:03:33photos or backgrounds and I have felt the same way like I have felt like this
1:03:40it it seems like it's it's in contradiction where at one point i've i
1:03:45felt like i cant believe how much fun I'm having just playing with the watch
1:03:48faces and getting them set up just want and then like an hour later I wish I
1:03:54could really cause I wish I could customize this more yeah I know and it's
1:03:59like I kind of kept thinking it was like do I want to have a photo of you know I
1:04:04don't have a child now I have a puppy so maybe this is a good example would I
1:04:07want to have that on my watch like it's now my home screen on my phone but it is
1:04:13that something I would want to have on my wrist all day and it sort of
1:04:18colluding get like our or at least to have the deeper background ability right
1:04:22like I love Thai iced even on my phone I frequently change my background on my
1:04:27phone either on the lockscreen Iran on the homescreen why can't I do that here
1:04:32I think it's a little
1:04:34I've been thinking about a lot and I feel like they I don't think they're
1:04:43going to give it to us I don't think they're gonna let us customize it I
1:04:46think they might add more built-in watch prices but I don't think there's going
1:04:51to be a third-party abilities like and certainly the current third-party
1:04:56there'll be a third party but I think I could see down the line
1:05:02giving the ability for us to change something from market our camera I mean
1:05:06the Photos app is right there
1:05:08and in its writing like a Lincoln Burns effect right right right right to a
1:05:13little 72 a little Ken Burns effect i've thought it was really important when
1:05:19iTunes it's an iTunes alert it's really important new new artists on ideas
1:05:24all right let's hold that thought cuz I do wanna I want to bring up this whole
1:05:27too many notifications issue that's what's get to that next but also keep a
1:05:31watch faces I don't know I feel like but I feel like they're not gonna do
1:05:36third-party watch faces cuz I feel like they they want all of the watch faces to
1:05:41still be within what they consider the Apple watch brand and I makes me wonder
1:05:47about something like the idea of pick one of your favorite photos and let that
1:05:52be the background is right there on the line because then obviously then I can
1:05:59have control over the photo but they would still have complete control over
1:06:02the typography and placement of what's on top of it the time the date whatever
1:06:07the style I like where we're it go but whatever
1:06:11like here's a night this is Mike now wanted to sign the watch face so my
1:06:15favorite one is the modular one that's what I where most days during the week
1:06:19and then you know I'd like to change it around but yeah I like to keep playing
1:06:24with the design of the module one and so what if you could put your photo in like
1:06:30a corner or something like that right
1:06:33avatar yea or like it was just a clean design we had the time and then like you
1:06:39know above or below sort of like Instagram's new layout after eight where
1:06:44you could sort of split the screen a little bit weird habit in a in a corner
1:06:49so they could design it really well as what I'm saying I think but but still
1:06:53within like the constraint over structure that they've defined yeah I
1:06:57can see that I need my guess is exactly what you're saying johnnie I didn't want
1:07:02his very very cleanly perfectly designed watch faces to be tarnished by a photo
1:07:10of ida now someone's ugly uncle or something
1:07:14I mostly just that they didn't want us to to be playing around with it too much
1:07:20I think they do when you're playing around with it but it's within these
1:07:23constraints of what they've defined as each of these watch faces now there's
1:07:27another angle here which is technical which is that the watch
1:07:31clearly the display is the biggest battery killer in the lot and they're
1:07:35very aggressive about having it turn on and off as aggressively as possible that
1:07:39off most of the time you tell your rest I just did as I said it and it was
1:07:43perfect it was actually it turned on exactly as I looked at it could not have
1:07:48turned on its head again so right now we're however I'm sitting right now is
1:07:52perfect posture for using a polite but then it goes off in six seconds if you
1:07:57haven't tapped in a very aggressive and it's an OLED screen the first Apple
1:08:02device with an OLED screen and no LEDs you no reason for being i think is that
1:08:07it gets really deep blacks and the blacks don't require power and only
1:08:12requires power to light up pixels in a non black color and the watch overall is
1:08:18dominated by black backgrounds and part of it is an aesthetic idea because it
1:08:23really does make the display blend in to the entire sapphire or on the sport
1:08:30watch class you know it in its inmost lighting it's it's beautiful and bright
1:08:36daylight you can definitely see where the displays
1:08:40so it's a static but it also technical where these black backgrounds absolutely
1:08:44increase the battery life and if you have a photo in the background it would
1:08:48have some kind of detrimental effect on that that's really interesting even the
1:08:54fancy butterflies and jellyfish yeah the background it's still a lot of black and
1:09:03the kind of faith in ya so I can't help but think that that might be one of the
1:09:09reasons they don't have that that to me seems like an obvious watch face so much
1:09:13black and most colorful one is Nikki yeah I would definitely say so the other
1:09:18one that can be colorful I don't know if you played with this but if you go to
1:09:22the the chronograph watch face and you customize the dial you can change the
1:09:27dial to be like a light cream color so gotta chronograph go to color go over to
1:09:37the third third it's the middle one where it says color and if you go down
1:09:44there is there's two light ones there's a white background and then there's like
1:09:48a cream creamy lady and I know what you call it which is the most lit up I think
1:09:56that's the most lit up you can make the display is probably closed with me but
1:10:04the thing is I don't think they look I think the chronograph veteran has a dark
1:10:07background making might be the most putting colors yeah I don't think that
1:10:16they're trying to mimic I think it's the closest they've gotten to skew morphism
1:10:19where I feel like they're trying to make that creamy one look like in the aged
1:10:23dial from analog watch like a lot of all day you know people who collect analog
1:10:27watches the older ones things that used to be white turned to a sort of creamy
1:10:32latina
1:10:34and it's a really pleasing effect you know I statically but its I don't
1:10:39somehow falls flat on a screen I think but I think that that one of the things
1:10:46and I know it's another one of the three things that apple says the thing is it's
1:10:50a great time he sort of it I think people are gonna have a blast I have a
1:10:53lot of fun I know it sounds stupid I had a lot of fun I still have fun
1:10:57dicking around kicking around with what I've got showing on the watch here's an
1:11:02example so I got to watch and it's funny because I met without ball while the
1:11:10conference in Ireland was going on to to get the review you know and I was
1:11:13supposed to be there speaking and i couldnt cuz a kid can fly with this gas
1:11:17bubble in my eye but I was scheduled to do a remote appearance with this forget
1:11:24the name of it but I'm sure you've seen it it's this it's like a Segway little
1:11:30segue type thing they mount an iPad on and then you can control it ago remote
1:11:35telepresence robot I had Yeah Yeah Yeah right like the ones they have an old
1:11:42commercials we don't have one in our office but I've seen it and other
1:11:45opposite sounds silly but it was actually kind of fun and I got to like
1:11:49driving around the room at all I came out on stage and and said a few words to
1:11:55the crowd and accidentally called to double robotics yes double robotics but
1:12:05anyway I had a scheduled appearance over remotely in Ireland and I was awesome I
1:12:13thought it was so great that I could put on my watch phase the time in that time
1:12:18zone just up in the corner and so I like totally alleviated my anxiety that I was
1:12:24going to watch it and to further confuse it it was daylight savings time weekend
1:12:30in the United Kingdom which is different than that when when it was here so
1:12:34everything was going to switch on Sunday night or something like that
1:12:37so instead of being like plus for their gonna switch to plus five I just put the
1:12:42time up in my corner in Ireland and I knew that I wasn't gonna be little thing
1:12:48and then once I was done with that I had no concern about what time it was in
1:12:52england anymore so I just turned out often switch it to fitness tracking or
1:12:56something
1:12:58yeah that's why I left that modular despite they can fit too much info on
1:13:01there which could be distracting people died I love it and I keep changing the
1:13:06top left hand corner to either California time like you mentioned or to
1:13:11the sunset time yeah that's why I might actually used that now I've been meaning
1:13:18to try and get it sounds corny but I also like change them based on my outfit
1:13:24like I know a lot of people thought I was being super sarcastic in that video
1:13:27and I guess I kinda was but I do like that either the butterfly or the flower
1:13:34watch face when I go out
1:13:35yeah I could totally see that just because you unless you know like in the
1:13:40day time you got meetings you've got things you really do want to see your
1:13:43appointment and then if you're just going out at night you can have dinner
1:13:46you really don't need all that crap it and I and a couple of days there was
1:13:49changing the color of the modular want to the color of the shadows felt super
1:13:57corny but it was fun I don't know it's it's if you can't if you're so
1:14:01technically minded that you can't imagine that it's fun to do things like
1:14:05change the second hand on your watch based on your wins then it's you not
1:14:09gonna see the appeal of this device compared to other ones I do I think it's
1:14:12kind of fun right I like changing like the blue secondhand I don't know why I
1:14:20will admit I don't really use the analog ones to get at me as a big deal and
1:14:27because i've i've worn and analogue Dial Watch forward so many years now my brain
1:14:33naturally understands time only by
1:14:36the hands and so if I look at a digital watch meaning digital like it showing
1:14:43the digits because I feel like the word digital watches actually confusing it
1:14:48requires long discretion digression but it's like it means two different things
1:14:52one in an electronic watch that is digital lead driven in terms of how it
1:14:58keeps time as opposed to an analog watch which is using gears and purely
1:15:03mechanical nothing electronic but digital watch also can mean a watch that
1:15:09is showing the time through numeric digits as opposed through analog hands
1:15:15and to me there's nothing at all
1:15:18false in terms of like this whole movement away from school morphism about
1:15:24having a digital watch in terms of its being electronic using an analog dial in
1:15:30terms of showing time with the hands it's just a different way of displaying
1:15:34information and when you have these analog hands on that but they don't have
1:15:39any drop shadows or 3d effects or anything like that it's very very flat
1:15:44and I think very natural but that to me is how I tell time and it's also why I
1:15:50like in my review I mention that one of my keyboard I'll often clanton my wrists
1:15:55to see the time and everybody you know and I even said I yes I know the time is
1:15:59up in the corner of my Mac but it just doesn't make sense to me it in like just
1:16:06without having to even think about it way that it does when I get my wrist and
1:16:11that's where I think like baby that's one part of the software I think they
1:16:15have done such a good job because you're talking about these things that works so
1:16:19well for you personally
1:16:21which I could care less about I mean I care about you I don't care about them
1:16:28for me and I found some layouts that just works so well for me and I have
1:16:32also warned analog watch for a long time but with this like it just it helps me
1:16:39so much to see my calendar appointments and Mike for me that that's been like I
1:16:45can just glanced down and I don't
1:16:47I'm yes I same sort of thing yes I get the pop-up notification from out longer
1:16:52whatever on my phone but I sort of AM able to budget my time better knowing ok
1:16:57add two more hours till I have this puppy training class or whatever and i
1:17:02cant even see why I think it shows that people at all especially the people you
1:17:09know the creative team behind it
1:17:11haven't very meeting driven culture where there's a big company they're
1:17:15working at the same time and they have these things like you know design
1:17:19meetings and stuff like that I think it really shows that the watch can be set
1:17:27up you can configure in a way that really really conducive to that and I
1:17:30can also see why I'll bet you're right I don't think it's a coincidence that the
1:17:34modular face is the second one I think that for somebody who has a very
1:17:40frequently has meetings and as you know a lot of events on their calendar that
1:17:45that module one is really going to be popular and I can also see why then you
1:17:49would want the time in in a digital form because then you see you see the numbers
1:17:56of the current time and you see the numbers of the meeting that's coming up
1:17:59and you know hey it's already 10 48 and I've got an 1130 so anything I want to
1:18:07do it
1:18:07looking at my right now there's so many numbers I mean I'm and I hate numbers
1:18:12this really funny that I like this one so much but like I've got the time I've
1:18:16got my next appointment I've got the temperature outside I got the battery
1:18:22life icon 76 right now the Sun sets 732 I love all that information I don't even
1:18:33know she could change the color yeah so i i changes today to purple because I
1:18:39was wearing a purple sure small things but yeah I mean and as I said I really
1:18:48like those are the two big things both telling time and keeping me on schedule
1:18:52and as a fitness tracker fitness device where this thing is really started to
1:18:56play big in my life over the last week and maybe my piece next week maybe on
1:19:00this is sort of about that notification thing and how it found a good balance in
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1:23:12thought that if there's one thing that I saw across the reviews that to me I
1:23:18didn't get where complaints from reviewers saying well my risk is keeps
1:23:22pinging pinging pinging it can be annoying because they've I think it's
1:23:27really easy to filter it and to say I i kind of one of the things it takes you
1:23:33getting used to is learning what you have to do from the Apple watch app on
1:23:37your phone and what you can configure on the watch alone it is a little it takes
1:23:41some getting used to I don't think it to complain I can see why you can't that
1:23:46way they don't put everything on the watch but one of the things that you do
1:23:50from the phone from the Apple watch out on the phone as you go to the Apple
1:23:54watch out you go to notifications and then it just lists all of the apps on
1:23:58your phone that have notifications turned on and wet in and you can turn
1:24:02off on Abyei basis whether they go to your watch and so every time I got
1:24:07something on my watch that annoyed me I would just go to my phone go to that app
1:24:11turn it off and said I wanted him no more periscope occasions on my watch
1:24:14that was the first thing I did like after I parted ways with a boy had the
1:24:22review I think it took about two minutes for me to just say alright periscope
1:24:26you're gone I had a bunch of things like that i'm looking to my list now I found
1:24:33anything that didn't let me respond I wanted off so for example tweet by
1:24:39direct messages I love get a direct messages are very close to text I want
1:24:44notifications for them it's in fact the only thing I get notifications from
1:24:48Twitter related just because I know a lot of people have like replies
1:24:51inventions and stuff like that but you know people like you I don't have too
1:24:55many you know where it just in a weird way that we're weird micro celebrities
1:25:01you know it's just this sounds stupid but I know I get two or three hundred
1:25:06replies a day I cannot possibly I could but
1:25:10I mean it would drive me insane if I get notifications but I thought DMZ on my
1:25:14watch were annoying to cause I couldn't do anything with them and he can't
1:25:21really do anything
1:25:21email either we can get to that I find the inclusion of email on Apple watch to
1:25:27be bizarre and it seems like something it seems like one of the best apps that
1:25:31they wrote it works incredibly well and I feel like somebody really knocked it
1:25:37out of the park building it but I don't understand why like meanwhile because
1:25:44you can't reply there is no way to reply to an email I guess I can't understand
1:25:50you know i i say that I'm being a little bit hyperbolic because I understand that
1:25:57sometimes if you get a really important email you might want to see it right
1:26:00there on the watch and then you have to do so but the fact that you don't have
1:26:03to do something on the phone I don't know there's certain it crosses a line
1:26:10that to me it it why I never liked wearing my original people put their
1:26:14side the size of the pebble and the screen or whatever that thing that
1:26:17always got me with the original pebble was I could never respond I always had
1:26:21to go back to the phone and every once in a while I'd get you know as I tried
1:26:24it it's a life well I'm glad I saw that on my wrist but now I have to go to my
1:26:28phone reply like I reply to text messages using the watch frequently its
1:26:35voice with sometimes some you know the auto buttons are actually pretty good
1:26:40cases they're pretty good right you know you can set that was yeah but the voice
1:26:47works pretty well for me and again that is going to marry you by your you know
1:26:51your current cellular connection connection but I wrote weeks ago that I
1:26:56have found Siri to be getting a lot better
1:26:59dictation at very least in terms of you know just when you talk to Siri whether
1:27:05it's on the water on the phone
1:27:07the transcription happens faster it seems to be happening a lot more
1:27:11accurately and it's really pretty good too little frustrating from the way the
1:27:15biggest frustration on a watch is there's no text editing so if it gets it
1:27:19almost right if I dictate a sentence long response via the watch but it has
1:27:25one serious I'm whatever you want to call the typos that serious you have to
1:27:31decide whether to scrap the whole thing and start over or just let it fly and
1:27:36hope that your correspondent sympathizes and understand right yeah I found it one
1:27:44thing I did find see really helpful and I know you can't respond to emails but
1:27:48it is helpful like if I get an email that says a company can meet at 2 p.m. I
1:27:53have Siri make that I've done this had to make that appointment on my email on
1:27:58my calendar through the watch I yeah I guess like it would really be nice to be
1:28:03able to respond to those people on say yes I can make that meeting I understand
1:28:08why they don't let you respond and they do for tax because texts tend to be one
1:28:14sentence at the time and even know our words and even though you might send to
1:28:20some emails yes 2 o'clock is fine or you know absolutely or something like that a
1:28:27lot of times you don't there's a lot of emails then required even just a few
1:28:31sentences and once you get to a few sentences the odds of the dictation
1:28:34being perfect are very low and the fact that you can txt Edit you know I do the
1:28:39dictation on my phone
1:28:40tons too especially on the east coast in winter wear my hands are cold I might be
1:28:45outside and again that's what made me write the thing a couple of weeks ago
1:28:49about how I've noticed that it's getting better but the thing with the phone is
1:28:52if there's one stupid mistake in the Serie transcribed you can double-click
1:28:58that word hit the microphone but again and replace that one word by you know in
1:29:04unseating much market as clearly as you can
1:29:07what that works you can't do that with the watch and it's like the one downside
1:29:12to that
1:29:12yeah I mean yeah I just in terms of email I have a lot more frustrations
1:29:23that go way beyond the reply
1:29:25stuff but again I think that's mostly my frustrations with some of the
1:29:31notification customization features or lack thereof
1:29:35yeah I mean one thing and I and IV set up VIP but to me the IP doesn't go far
1:29:47enough right and it this is some of the intelligence and I think Apple stands to
1:29:52learn a lot from Google and where I do feel like the missing presence of Google
1:29:57on this device is in G
1:29:57on this device is in G
1:30:00email for instance I mean yes I do get the notifications that hit in like I
1:30:05used in box I do get those notifications on my wrists and those those are usually
1:30:10really helpful usually inbox is really good at knowing when I like emails and I
1:30:15don't like emails you know surfacing ones from friends and family putting the
1:30:19other ones in there other filters John if you use it but I find It really
1:30:24helpful and then in mail it's just there so many other emails beyond VIP those
1:30:33people that designated as VIPs that I want coming to my wrist and it just you
1:30:38don't have that level of granule granularity you can't mail doesn't know
1:30:45well enough which people I'd like to respond to emails are important to me
1:30:50yeah I think Steven Levy had a piece just yesterday where his back channel
1:30:57thing and medium where he talked about things that we need like the next level
1:31:03for a ride to go is notification filtering its it is it's too it's too
1:31:09hard to do by rules and I think back to spam filter however when spam first
1:31:15became a problem with email you know like in the late nineties and the way I
1:31:21dealt with in a way most people I knew dealt with it is we had a bunch of
1:31:25filters rules we you know you just set up your mail client with a bunch of
1:31:30rules and there was no I don't a little things like that like if you're on
1:31:36corporate mailing list you still have to do that you do definitely but for the
1:31:40most part the most spam is already you know there's no way that you can have
1:31:43without something like you know a system level above unite your rules you'd be
1:31:50inundated and cuz they just isn't it working I remembered it but there were
1:31:56like
1:31:56you know six or seven rules you could use it and boom you could cut your spam
1:32:00by like 90% and it's just not enough anymore and I kind of feel like
1:32:04notifications are that way where you can right now it's like we're at that area
1:32:09where we're setting up our own filters like you're saying okay I don't know my
1:32:14email that's crazy but I do want the people on this VIP list ok they go and
1:32:20it's nice I know he me know cuz it's there's always going to be an important
1:32:23email that is it from someone already on your VIP list and then you gonna you
1:32:28want that and it seems as though there ought to be away for a guy to figure
1:32:33that out and you know and if anybody's gonna get that bad if anybody is doing
1:32:37it already it's definitely Google cuz that's right right and yeah for sure and
1:32:44I mean that's that's like for instance why you keep hearing these things today
1:32:47cuz I've been out and about with the with the puppy and I wanted to keep my
1:32:51email our talks have been waiting for an email back from from Google actually and
1:32:56if I turned on my VIP thing like I don't have that specific contact as a VIP why
1:33:03would I write but if i dont if I don't like there's no way to get the stuff in
1:33:08the middle
1:33:09yeah it's either it's giving me the lowest hanging stuff which is like
1:33:12emails from you know general
1:33:16wall street journal editors about SEO term words and then I'm getting iTunes
1:33:22spam and then I'm getting email comes in from that person from Google and
1:33:26immediately on my wrist when I'm out and about in the apartment can take it just
1:33:30kicked in as I had the show on my watch I guess I only had it scheduled for 90
1:33:35minutes so it's over one of my least favorite things on the watch face is if
1:33:39you have your next event as one of the complications when you're done for the
1:33:43day it changes to say no more events and it's like in all capital letters and it
1:33:50it just seems like visual pollution to me know more about it makes me feel like
1:33:55I'm there I'm doing something wrong that I don't have it
1:33:57scheduled to have nothing else to do today you can go to bed now I totally
1:34:03agree with the notification I want I want I want this whole thing to just
1:34:06figure out what I what I want on my wrist and it could maybe use maybe if
1:34:13there was a way to give a thumbs down to a notification that gets through you
1:34:18know and and maybe like some kind of waiver you can give a thumbs down to a
1:34:22notification that gets through that you really didn't want and conversely on
1:34:27your phone to give a thumbs up to a notification that was only on your phone
1:34:31and didn't go to arrest over this was good I wish that this economy rest and
1:34:36then it needs a little bit of that feedback for sure and I don't think I
1:34:40mean that's how that's how Google's right i mean they knew they know what we
1:34:44favor it that's part of what what they do and like if I move something from you
1:34:51know whatever they call it might now promotions update updates is where
1:34:57things that they sometimes don't get right that put things that I that are
1:35:00important to me and updates in that filter and I dragged it you know they
1:35:04automatically start putting things there do you keep the notifications indicator
1:35:09on its that red dot the I do but I i this is part of this piece I might want
1:35:15to write for next week that thing can control your life
1:35:19bike I looked down and I you know it's sort of like that it it to me a variety
1:35:24of the blinking red dot from the blackberry blackberry age I was exactly
1:35:28what I was going to ask you as a known former recovering it is a new and it's
1:35:33like I gotta look I got to look like even know it's probably not something I
1:35:37care about at all I need to look no I've never been a Blackberry user but I know
1:35:42enough that that the ideal is that BlackBerry's had a physical red LED and
1:35:48it would blink if you had new messages and then you have your BlackBerry was
1:35:53blinking red you could leave it on your desk or something and you walk when you
1:35:56come back and read you pick up your Blackberry to see what is and I remember
1:36:02when in heroin BlackBerry users were switching to Android phones and iPhones
1:36:07that the thing that it is can I kept saying over and over again as I don't
1:36:12know what to do with that red light God I don't even want to tell Apple how much
1:36:17more money I would spend for an otherwise identical iPhone with a
1:36:20blinking red light right now I heard that so many people and you probably did
1:36:24too
1:36:25during known sympathizer to the blackberry addict cause I can see why
1:36:30though now with this watch like I still have it on but I'm thinking either way I
1:36:35still think that red light on a on an iPhone would save a lot of battery life
1:36:39I i see the appeal of it to me it's the exact equivalent of the the ringer
1:36:46switch on the iPhone which most phones don't come with Android phones don't
1:36:51have a dedicated on offering her switch and I don't know what I would do without
1:36:54that I love my ringer switch it would drive me in fact when I do try using
1:37:00phones other like I have the the 2nd gen motox here
1:37:05honest-to-god I think my single biggest complaint about it is that it doesn't
1:37:08have a ringer switch above and beyond all of the things that I'd prefer about
1:37:13iOS vs Android and
1:37:18physical hardware of the phone at at receptors thing that just drives me nuts
1:37:22is i cant to silence it without turning it on and I know that there's a quick
1:37:25way to do it from the top you go down and it's a couple of taps but I'm just
1:37:29addicted to the way that I can just turn it on and off without even looking at it
1:37:33and to me in that same way that's what the blinking red light on the blackberry
1:37:39was it was a way of saying we're just going to put this on the device we're
1:37:42gonna make it a hardware feature not a software feature that you can tell if
1:37:46there's something no I don't think I've ever used my god you crazy do you leave
1:37:54it on and you leave it off so you always have sounds coming from your iPhone I
1:38:03would do in like going to something that I use it just silence I keep its silence
1:38:10because I just feel otherwise I feel like I'm getting bombarded with sounds
1:38:13all the time I like to have it off I mean honestly you know and i really
1:38:19wanna check it I use this to check to make sure I'm getting my alarms going
1:38:23off in the morning
1:38:25well see thats you know not everybody is addicted to everything right it's like
1:38:30but to me like it's incomprehensible to me that every phone doesn't come with
1:38:34this which like this and I think it's by as a time has gone on is my least
1:38:38favorite thing about the current generation of iPad where they got rid of
1:38:40that switch and I know other people use it was like you can trigger it on the
1:38:46iPad's to be either a rotation lock whereas a lot but I kept it to sit
1:38:49that's what I used to use it as I still kept its outlook yeah I mean I hate this
1:38:59little red button but I hate I love it also I gotta turn it off I think I kind
1:39:04of think I'm gonna end up turning it off in the long run and just
1:39:07I just checked by swiping down to see if there are notifications that i've you
1:39:11know there are still pending
1:39:13yeah I mean that's like one thing to this
1:39:17have to clean these all out but this this and make that notification tray on
1:39:21your phone does right I think so except the one on your phone can have more
1:39:27because some of them don't go through I wish there was a way to clear these all
1:39:32your is forced touch it is this a secret for such yeah my god this is the
1:39:42craziest thing to me the greatest touch is secret for stat sheet is like a mind
1:39:48bending thing I've just changed you find things that are just not you would never
1:39:55have known you would have never thought to force touch on that menu I never
1:39:59would have thought to force touch on the notification and you just like I was on
1:40:03the verge passed last week would have never thought to force touch on the
1:40:06emojis to change you can change like the the Pacman smiley guy to a red red faced
1:40:13change the hearts to program you can get a Purple Heart on this thing that is my
1:40:20tip I know that it's you know ten days away
1:40:23tend two weeks away from everybody out there getting there a polite as my
1:40:27number if there's one thing I remember from this episode of the show when you
1:40:29get your Apple watch its don't forget to try for step everywhere you go
1:40:33know everything just forced at every single thing on on the course touching
1:40:40Notification Center
1:40:41I don't know what they call it if they call it but it would you come to this is
1:40:45completely like to come down from the top and forced touch and you get one
1:40:49button clear all and they all go away so let me tell you this I'm so addicted to
1:40:53that I started doing it on my phone because one of the things that and its
1:40:57longstanding complain a lot of people have it on the iPhone you can't you
1:41:01can't clear all of your notifications you can only do it a priority and clear
1:41:06again and then you have to the next exit unclear so I just I've started forced
1:41:10touching my phone
1:41:11thinking that I can clear off because I clear all on my way we're pretty sure
1:41:16first touches coming to the phone right i mean it seems like yeah but I really
1:41:19here's the big we could go on and on about this but here's my my question
1:41:23about it with the phone is we have 22 devices with forced to attend
1:41:27i wanna talk to you about the MacBook too and we can get to it there but we
1:41:33have the new MacBook which has the first touch trackpad and we have the watch
1:41:36which has forced touch screen on the watch forced touch it the whole screen
1:41:41is just effectively about it doesn't matter where you force touch it's just a
1:41:46it's either forced a poor not a four step and that's it
1:41:49a regular tap has location like a touch screen if you tap hard it's just a
1:41:53four-step doesn't matter where so you can't force tap on a thing on the watch
1:41:58and I think that makes sense because it's so small on the trackpad obviously
1:42:02it's very very precise and you get you get the tactic feedback exactly where
1:42:08your fingers so I think it's definitely coming to the iPhone I think it's coming
1:42:14to the iPad eventually if not this year it'll be just one more year but my
1:42:18question is is on these phones and tablet is it going to be like precise or
1:42:24is it going to be like the watch where it's like you've just for stopped and
1:42:28that's it and it doesn't matter where your fingers on the screen I think it's
1:42:33gonna be person depending on the screen size right I think like the MacBook you
1:42:39can for such a network right and that's very precise so I could see that also
1:42:45being an option on and on the iPhone right like if I force touched on instead
1:42:53of double tapped on a word maybe something else when I definitely wanted
1:42:59to work that way I wanted to be like precise so I can put up on a word but I
1:43:04just wonder whether I'm setting myself up for disappointment because
1:43:07engineering wise like it can they can make the trackpad so that the trackpad
1:43:12isn't underneath the trackpad is entirely set up as a haptic feedback but
1:43:18they may not be it because of this the phone all there is a screen effectively
1:43:23they may not have room to make the whole thing
1:43:27you know precisely tactic I don't know I might be setting myself up for
1:43:32disappointment there so I'm not letting myself get I guess now that I think
1:43:35about it too but yeah it's certainly I would be very happy to force touch on
1:43:40the notifications clear all right you know what I B also really happy for
1:43:44Apple if you are listening to this podcast I want to force touch and
1:43:50control center on the wireless command the little wireless circle and I want to
1:43:56go to the settings menu and there I want to be able to the wireless settings menu
1:44:01and I want to be able to get to wifi ok I see that's a request you go from
1:44:07control center for studies on the
1:44:09I hate that I can't get to settings from control center I see what you mean where
1:44:14you just i wanted to talk on and off but do it to a force touch on it and then
1:44:18jump to the settings for Bluetooth yes that is it that is why would I will be
1:44:23berry berry I would be so happy and then you can do it like with all of them
1:44:27because you knew you could do it with do not disturb instead of just turning on
1:44:31or off you would jump to your do not disturb settings and you could change
1:44:34like the time that I mean most of the time and I'm turning on and off wifi
1:44:39it's true I'm I'm just getting on my home network or whatever for some reason
1:44:43I turned off wifi or something someplace and I turned it off but a lot of time
1:44:47I'm also going to someplace and I want to get on a new wi-fi network and I just
1:44:53want to get to the wireless the wifi settings and it's a whole other step but
1:44:58gotta go into settings and I gotta get wifi and yes I know cry me a river its
1:45:03three taps to task but the request I have two things i wanna talk about still
1:45:08before we wrap up I want to talk about third-party apps on the watch and i
1:45:12wanna talk about the new MacBook you have any doubts that you must talk about
1:45:17I think we could easily fill up our remaining time before we get started
1:45:22with either let me just think he's still sleeping he's been sleeping the whole
1:45:26podcast at how bored he has a
1:45:28so bored by this conversation my boyhood family dog think I was in second grade
1:45:35Chester and I loved him as much as I've ever loved any living being on this
1:45:40planet just about and he slept 23 hours I think as a public and even as an adult
1:45:49he did I think he probably slept about 21 hours a day but I was so good I was I
1:45:53was pretty upset because I thought he would be playing with me stop all the
1:45:58night thought so too I've been home for like the last time I took off for have a
1:46:03column this week and I'm so call me to play with him all day he sleeps all day
1:46:06I keep I think he's depressed I think he's depressed so we need to take up
1:46:10someplace no no he's a puppy he sleeps all day that's what he's doing and i
1:46:16know i think he's got it begins upset No
1:46:19that is what they do that's kinda awesome if you think about it they're
1:46:24they're living the life did you get the week just to go to go metaphor second
1:46:30did you get the week off because you did that I bought review and the MacBook
1:46:35review at the same time which I say yes and then I decided to get a puppy is
1:46:39like the day after so I barely slept for a very long time but yes I did I did get
1:46:45that reason I forget how many words long my Apple watch review was which didn't
1:46:51really go to the software and it was still many many thousands of words and
1:46:55when I was done I really felt like I need to check myself into a spot or
1:47:00something and cooperate and meantime you had I cannot believe that you both at
1:47:07the same time people email me and they did you get the MacBook overview and I
1:47:11was like no I did not get the MacBook I didn't want the MacBook I'm exhausted
1:47:14having reviewed the Apple watch you did both you know that video took so much
1:47:21out of me that Apple watch video because I just never thought it would actually
1:47:25work we work we spent like so much time thinking about it and then
1:47:29I just so many hours editing and figuring out of this thing could come
1:47:33together to a piece that people would actually want to watch that we were
1:47:37there at the I I was at the office to two or three nights in a row out till 2
1:47:40a.m. and then I was like oh yeah and then this is Mac Book Review I salute
1:47:45you because I don't understand I did it I don't understand how you did the video
1:47:49and I don't understand he did all three of the things and the MacBook she had a
1:47:52good MacBook video too but for those who have a washout put in a shallow but
1:47:56Joanna's Apple watch video was truly first person she literally put a helmet
1:48:03on that could support a look like an SLR I mean it was it was it was a it's a 72
1:48:11Canon 7d so no crappy go pro it an actual I honestly I watch the video
1:48:18first and then at the end there is like a third person shot that shows you
1:48:21shooting and I was like at first I thought it was a joke and I thought know
1:48:24that explains why the quality was so great the whole thing is it a day in the
1:48:29life of using Apple watch shot literally from the first person perspective you
1:48:34know eyeball level and the way she did was by spending a day of her life with a
1:48:39helmet with with a Canon 7d in front of her face
1:48:43yeah it was insane I mean I wanted to do something different every once in a
1:48:47video reviews of this thing I want to do something different and my whole purpose
1:48:51was actually to like sort of do an anti Apple ads like this is what it's like to
1:48:56use it everyday life and not on like a beautiful white background and yeah I
1:49:01just turned into this massive project and one of the producers had done
1:49:04something similar and I was like so about this helmet camera
1:49:08you think it's like you think it's ready to go and we just did and yeah it was
1:49:14really worked well and I thought the other thing to hear the other thing
1:49:17though that amazes me and and i think is very slow worker but to me that amazes
1:49:24me is that not just that you did this very production in hand intensive video
1:49:28and and footage intensive right cuz you had to spend all day with the helmet on
1:49:34took a long time to get all the footage clearly took a long time to edit and you
1:49:39wrote a completely credible column reviewing it and having used the watch
1:49:48myself and watch the video review clearly you spent enough time using the
1:49:53watch to form a very informed opinion so that to me is part of the problem with
1:49:59these reviews schedules is that it takes so much time with the device before you
1:50:04can even start because you need the time to form a genuine opinion understanding
1:50:09right I know and I think people were concerned also about the MacBook I had
1:50:13the MacBook for two weeks I had to know that was a nice thing about both of
1:50:18these pieces I look we could definitely use some more time on the watch in terms
1:50:22of the embargo time but I had a week and a half and really hammered on that and
1:50:29then also use the macro is my main laptop through the whole thing so I had
1:50:33a good amount of time for testing you know battery life testing on macbook can
1:50:39take quite a bit of a good amount of time for that your video and click on
1:50:44his last hole arias cameo from
1:50:49how did the world did you get that alright yeah I mean obviously some parts
1:50:56of the video were scripted alright okay people have been like so do you really
1:51:00just run into him now I didn't just run into report with a huge have a helmet
1:51:04camera and mic was like Rupert can you still buy watch that was scripted but he
1:51:09was totally gave it was great to work with on it he was just like ok sure
1:51:13themselves like fun he's always
1:51:15great sense of humor yeah he and he like we didn't I didn't say what to say was
1:51:20just like we'll try it out and he he was the one who really ran with it so I die
1:51:27I was like alright alright yeah you can still watch my idea was honestly just to
1:51:35run into an elevator which actually does happen a lot I will come up from doing a
1:51:39Fox News business hit and he'll be in the same floor and I'll say hi but im
1:51:45sure 001 do this
1:51:47yeah I mean also I kept joking I can assure you you know it's not the Apple
1:51:53watch addition
1:51:55good enough for you
1:51:58Rupert Murdoch is clearly among the people on the planet earth where the
1:52:02difference between addition and the regular Apple is well whatever color I
1:52:08like I thought it was great and I really do think it also kind of it kind of
1:52:16hammers home the modern the modern version of The Wall Street Journal
1:52:22culture like it wasn't out of character I think it's completely within the
1:52:26character of the the style of reviews you guys do now but i dont have been the
1:52:31publisher the paper you know him famous publisher the papers show up as a cameo
1:52:36in a review of tech product I thought it was great yeah I mean I tried to ever I
1:52:41wanted every scene to have a little bit of a purpose
1:52:44obviously my sister saying you know I can't catch ya you know like fuck you to
1:52:50me like I thought that was fun it was fun but also showed like a people are
1:52:55gonna be really excited by getting this watching be like making phone calls on
1:52:59it and actually everybody so wats funny look at this point it's really funny
1:53:03their interpretation of that because I didn't editorialized so much like so
1:53:07many of my reviews ABC medical realizing I say bye or don't buy you know this is
1:53:12the end in that I don't really editorialize so much and so people have
1:53:15had different interpretations of it which is great I've had people email me
1:53:19and tweet saying I watched it three times
1:53:21and I'm still not sure if you liked it or you didn't like it which I kind of
1:53:26love and think you know certainly people i've watch and said I'm definitely not
1:53:30buying one and other people said all you made me want one so badly you know
1:53:34Business Insider completely ripped off the article and said this is the reason
1:53:37you would not want to buy wine ripped off the video I just yeah I've had the
1:53:42same thing with my review I have had people I've had responses both ways I
1:53:46had people said I was really on the fence I was gonna wait this out there i
1:53:49read your review and I thought screw it I'm getting on at three o'clock in the
1:53:53morning in other day they go on sale and then I had other people just as many who
1:53:57said I was totally set to buy one of these and I read review and buy and when
1:54:02I'm gonna wait I've had both responses an outing that ever happened with the
1:54:07product before that I can yeah and it wasn't just one or two it was a solid
1:54:11half a dozen both ways
1:54:13yeah I mean I did in the column I was obviously a little late night I told
1:54:18many friends I don't think they should buy this and then certainly many people
1:54:22read and i've been getting tons of emails from people saying you think I
1:54:26should get this sport version do you think I should get this fans you know
1:54:29lots of people read and said yeah you showed me the good the bad and deciding
1:54:35on yesterday at whatever yeah you know I got the the steel addition I am glad I
1:54:42did but I kind of wish I had more time with Sport Edition but I think I know
1:54:48enough and I've definitely you know I've seen enough and I trust Apple you know
1:54:52him from that what other people have tried and it said and if the fact that I
1:54:57like those sport pants so much that I feel like anybody is on the fence but
1:55:00kinda want one just go ahead and get the sport 1 at the entry level price and
1:55:04you're gonna get us totally quality device the crystal crown feels great
1:55:10the buttons great it's every bit as good build quality is Apple's other aluminum
1:55:14stuff like the phones you're getting a totally great man yes it is robert is a
1:55:20rubber wristband but it's really really good one it really is so don't worry
1:55:25about it like if you're on the fence at all you know
1:55:27and you can definitely swing the 350 or 400 for the sport watch just get it and
1:55:32it's gonna be it's gonna be fun and specially if you're really just
1:55:35interested in playing with the platform like your dear not getting a low tier
1:55:40device if you do it but it's hard it is a hard thing when people just want you
1:55:46to say should I buy it or not because I do it's it to me I can't answer either
1:55:50way I cannot just say yes I can wholeheartedly endorse it but I can
1:55:55trash it either and I feel led Business Insider b7 jackasses they're not I
1:56:02thought that if there's any you know we all had different takes about what we
1:56:06like to move we didn't like I thought that the consensus was clearly this is a
1:56:10very interesting 1.0 this is it there's some things that are definitely that
1:56:15they now like the fitness tracking and there's other stuff that is a question
1:56:20mark and I thought you know I thought that was the consistency across the
1:56:24board that it's you know maybe depends it you know and you're not going to get
1:56:29a yes or no
1:56:30yeah I think this like Apple's tagline for this was on the money you know this
1:56:37is the most personal product ever it it's very hard to review something so
1:56:41personal
1:56:42it's very hard to to to review something that specifically fits into that fits on
1:56:49your body and fits into your life and it's a very distinct yeah and I think
1:56:53it's really it's really hard to do something to to review something we're a
1:56:57big part of the appeal is whether you just think it's cooler not fun so I told
1:57:02you know I had to try it and is only a few stores that take there's not that
1:57:06many stories to take a pay but every time I use it at Whole Foods every
1:57:12single time the cashier notices and I'm not doing it in an ostentatious way if
1:57:17anything the introvert in me is trying to sort not hide it but do it is served
1:57:22as possible and I paid without my phone
1:57:25you know ever since the thing came out and I got a few comments about it when
1:57:28the phone first came out
1:57:30but nothing like with the watch with the watch every single time they're like oh
1:57:33my god did you just do what I think he did and I say yes and then they're like
1:57:37how did you know some of them know that the watch is now yet they say how did
1:57:40you get it
1:57:41others I had a cashier at hope you two had no idea what up a watch was all she
1:57:45said was did you to pay with your watch and I said yes and she goes that is so
1:57:50cool and Jamie I could tell she did not know that it was an apple what she did
1:57:54know the name it all she knows that I paid for my groceries with my watch and
1:57:58she said that is so called the I found the same thing but i doin read the woman
1:58:04behind the counter was like that's an apple watch and to me that showed the
1:58:08power of like how the excitement about this thing I'm buying 1 I'm buying one
1:58:14and it but you haven't seen it so I'm buying you but you don't know about it
1:58:21you know and like she just was in awe that she said she was buying it and of
1:58:27course it was like the first time I tried it there so I wasn't really sure
1:58:30how to get up a working now obviously have no problem I didn't this and other
1:58:34things like not totally into it if you got a press the button twice so I did
1:58:39this I here's what I did is the first place where I used to the Apple pashley
1:58:44was in the Apple store I had to my moms long story but my mom broke her old iPad
1:58:52and so I was going up for Easter and I thought you know what I just give her
1:58:57mother's day gift early and get a new iPad it was a long out of wanted to so I
1:59:05used a paid to pay for iPad from my mom and I didn't know how it worked and I
1:59:12didn't want to look it up I've really wanted to try to figure it out on my own
1:59:14and I knew that I'd figured I had configured the thing you go through the
1:59:19phone to set up a credit card it doesn't just transfer your apples your existing
1:59:23cards over because it can't because when you set up a device for Apple pay
1:59:28its per device that part of the security the privacy / security of the way I hope
1:59:35it works it's per device so in the same way that if like you replace your iPhone
1:59:39if it breaks and you replace it and you restore from backup you have to set up
1:59:43your cards again because it's not part of the device storage where Apple
1:59:48pickets toward you have to set up your watch the same way you do that though on
1:59:52the phone through the Apple pay up he said when I had a credit card and you
1:59:56can add the one from your iTunes account very easily or you can take a picture of
2:00:01a car just like when you set one up on your phone but it's different you can't
2:00:04just you don't just get the ones that you have in your past book on her phone
2:00:07so I knew I'd set up with the card and I went to the Apple store and I didn't
2:00:11know how to set it up and I remember from the event is something something
2:00:14about double clicking the button but I figured that was how you confirm it I
2:00:20thought it would be like the phone with the phone you just wave it and then it
2:00:23says okay you want to pay this and then you do the touch idea goes through so I
2:00:27figured I'll just wave my watch at that thing and it will come on and then I'll
2:00:32double tap that button and the clerk at the Apple store was like holy cow how
2:00:39did you get that you know it was you know I you know a little bit like a jerk
2:00:44and I wasn't trying to let you know if anything again the intervention me was
2:00:48trying to like you know let's keep us down I'm allowed to use it you know
2:00:52you're allowed to do it they want you to try but let's just keep it between us
2:00:56and you can tell everybody that somebody with a watch but at John I hate to cut
2:01:01you off right now but my puppy just pooped on the iPad please go over so
2:01:09proud of him every time I will be back in two seconds don't edit this out
2:01:12donated this after I was so great
2:01:34yeah it's it's a big moment when this happened that's it's actually really I
2:01:40don't want to say it to my house so here's but I think he did you know how
2:01:43can he be doing a few is only if he's only been with you a week how in the
2:01:46world is already being he's been in here he's been with us for like three days
2:01:49are possible I know and he's constantly going on the pattern we can take him
2:01:54outside yet concern when they're on the ground and there are very hard though
2:01:59some but this disease thing lives in the ground in New York City for dogs because
2:02:04there's so many dogs and is not fully vaccinated so we can't go outside I
2:02:08don't know about that yes so that's why it gotta go inside we don't want him we
2:02:12don't want to train the dog to go inside but we have to for the next five weeks
2:02:15because wow these shots that he can go outside
2:02:18that's where I had no idea you had to look at new york's because there's so
2:02:21many dogs everywhere it lives in the dog's poop and pee you know so that
2:02:25other dog sees it and eats it or not we announced anyway
2:02:32apple pear the Apple Store yeah so I figured it out
2:02:38well you know the clerk had the upper hand reader and with the phone you just
2:02:45put your phone up against theirs and then initiate and I'm waving my Apple
2:02:49watch against the thing and nothing is happening and I'm
2:02:51Mike and I really wanted to try this out and I guess I had tried not to think
2:02:56about I had tried it at Whole Foods before and it didn't wake up and I
2:03:00thought and it was a it was like you know the the right before dinner you
2:03:05know 630 7 o'clock rush and I didn't wanna hold the line so I thought I'll
2:03:10come back I'm here all the time so this time at the Apple store though I thought
2:03:13I gotta figure this out and that's why I ONLY by trial and error that I figure
2:03:17out you gotta do the double press first and then weigh that against it and you
2:03:23know I don't know if that's I'm not even sure what that thinking it I think that
2:03:27explanation is it lowers the battery life because in the NFC thing is only
2:03:30listening when you've double tapped where's your phone is always listening
2:03:34for an NFC connection I'm not quite sure maybe it's why I don't know but it is a
2:03:40little different but then once you know it isn't an often take authentication
2:03:44thing I said that word yeah maybe because because your phone you better
2:03:48hold down touch I D right and watch it's just a double tap and so this you know
2:03:54having to put it in that mode first decreases the chances someone could just
2:03:57sneak by your wrist and no doubt will pay you know connection once you know it
2:04:03it's a sense and I have to say it is I know it sounds so stupid and so lazy but
2:04:10it's even easier than paying with your phone I agree at first it is a little
2:04:15awkward cuz you're like holding your wrists in a certain way you know you're
2:04:18flipping your rest upside down but it's so brief and it's so quick it's I've
2:04:23actually found I think it's quicker than my iPhone can sometimes my phone has
2:04:26promised to touch idea now I don't know if it's just a couple you know now
2:04:29they've been using it so much it probably my son you know I think hundred
2:04:34times a day whatever that it that it seems faster than using my phone I mean
2:04:39also obviously not to pull out in front of that process is much faster as well
2:04:42yeah and part of it too is the tail end of the winter season on the east coast
2:04:47and so when I am out shopping I'm wearing coat and it's harder to get in
2:04:50my pocket to get the phone out etcetera etcetera so apple pays great I I think
2:04:55it's and I think it and it is absolutely positively a selling public selling
2:05:01point of
2:05:02thing where people see you doing it in public and then they want to buy an
2:05:05Apple I mean it it really is it sells and it's the silliest thing do you do it
2:05:11again if so many of the reviews early do you need it no of course you don't need
2:05:15any of the stuff you know you don't even need a watch to tell time you can get
2:05:18you know you get the time from your phone I mean you don't need there's not
2:05:21a single thing on it you need me at the wrong question to ask and apple pays
2:05:25right there you do not need a pay but is it nice and cool definitely right now I
2:05:33had that experience with that running thing I mean basically in that hole you
2:05:39know twenty or thirty minutes of that experience I was able to experience
2:05:43pretty much everything you can do without using your phone and that's you
2:05:47know yes more and more staff will become separate from the phone I think in
2:05:52future generation or more generations future generations of the product and
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2:09:09they suck it they're really really slow
2:09:17I actually wouldn't know never really waited for one of them to let I have you
2:09:23ever gotten to the load I got it to load I never got it so I got it to load one
2:09:27time and then didn't do anything and I talked to Neil idealize said he was
2:09:32getting into work one day but it didn't tell him which side of the building it
2:09:37thought he was on and the guy came to the you know the other side of the
2:09:41biggest the verge of the front entrance in the back entrance and the guy was
2:09:44waiting at the other side because it just you know where is using her phone
2:09:47it tells you exactly where it thinks it's gonna pick you up but everybody
2:09:51else I know it's like I i cant believe that they published the apt I know that
2:09:55they wanted apps in the App Store so that those of us with review units could
2:09:59have some to try but I can't believe the other one got through like nobody nobody
2:10:05gets it to work it just sits there ya blue and that actually is another thing
2:10:10I did when I was sitting at my watch it kind of took off pretty much on this all
2:10:13these apps cause I found my I hate the screen I hate that screen I can never
2:10:18accurately touch anything on here the digital crowd is really not very useful
2:10:22to me to be honest and so I just took off most of the apps on here that's an
2:10:28interesting it's an interesting complain and I feel the same way I feel like it
2:10:33is really hard to tap an individual icon in the weather its first party or third
2:10:37party whether it's one of Apple's or not I kind of wish that the defaults size
2:10:43for the icons would be a little bigger like you can zoom in and zoom out but
2:10:47when you're sort of their sort of -ism defaults eyes where it settles in that
2:10:51and I feel like it shows too many apps as opposed to showing fewer bigger apps
2:10:56to make them easier touch targets I i still if I delete ones why wouldn't you
2:11:03just become bigger you know as you delete these little icons they don't
2:11:09become bigger I just wish that as you zoom the crown that you could stop at a
2:11:13bigger spot and then it would seem as opposed to you you make him a little
2:11:18bigger and annually and you just go and let go and it just settles back totally
2:11:23agree totally agree
2:11:24yeah I can't help but think they're going to have to address this it's
2:11:29really it's it's just to finish it and it comes back to stuff that Apple even
2:11:37bragged about with the iPhone where where they measured you know optimal
2:11:42touch sizes for average fingertips and then you know knowing that the original
2:11:47iPhone was a hundred and sixty-three you know pixels per inch that means that the
2:11:53minimum you know touch sizes forty and you know two different buttons should be
2:11:59at least this far apart to avoid accidentally touching one when you meant
2:12:03the other and all those details of how many pixels it was and now with the
2:12:07retina screens at all in points which are double the size but you can just
2:12:10deal with them the same way you have to be a developer designer to care about
2:12:15the specific numbers but as a user all that meant was when you use an iPhone
2:12:19the thing you thought you were tapping was the thing you were tapping almost
2:12:22every time whereas on ya and I thought you know I thought this might be a
2:12:26reason to get the bigger screen but it sounds like I mean it also seems that if
2:12:31you have a bigger screen you got bigger fingers but those such targets aren't
2:12:37even any better on the big screen
2:12:39yeah I don't think so now that doesn't mean know that there isn't an easy way
2:12:43to launch some of these apps because one of the things that I don't think Apple
2:12:46is emphasized enough is that from the regular watch face if you have a
2:12:50complication up you can just tap it to go to that app so I always have the
2:12:54temperature up on all of the watch faces a used in a fight app the temperature
2:12:57from my watch face it jumps me to the weather app and it seems as though the
2:13:03touch target for that is it like the whole corner it's the whole corner of
2:13:07the display and it always works I don't miss it and I never tapped the wrong
2:13:11thing and get something else whereas from that that's how I get to my
2:13:14activity app I don't even know I don't even know if they're calling out the
2:13:18home screen I maybe they are but I don't even think of it as the home screen and
2:13:24I made it I one of the things you have to get used to is as an iPhone or iPad
2:13:28users you think of the home screen as the thing
2:13:31where you hit a button and you see all your apps and then you that your home
2:13:34screen to me the home screen on the watch is the watch face and you can
2:13:39figure that the way you want it with your most used things and you launch
2:13:42things there and the home screen on the watch that when you launch the app from
2:13:47hate to say it cause I think you know it to me it's like the Android all apps
2:13:54screen I was just thinking the same thing it really is it's the yet it's
2:13:59like I tap away that's what I don't like the digital crown I just feel like I
2:14:05wish I could map that button to be something else instead of going to the
2:14:10on your apps yes I don't know it's like I see why it's there and it's I just
2:14:16wish I could make them bigger and it is an interesting way to just say ok here
2:14:22is everything else i mean and that's the design of it the way they don't even
2:14:26organize them into pages I kinda like that I kinda like that you don't have to
2:14:31organize it I feel like Italy fiddling with the exact placement of which
2:14:35chapter on which screen on your iPhone can get old after time I kinda like that
2:14:39it's just this big lobby thing that you can go around I could actually see that
2:14:43even working on the iPhone at least as an option might be that everybody's
2:14:47muscle memory is so much that they can't just change it to be like that for
2:14:49everybody but as an option I might there might be an interesting way to do to get
2:14:54your apps on on an iPhone my favorite thing is like I just it it it makes me
2:15:00wonder like didn't like who do they think could when you hold down to delete
2:15:05an app you get the tiny little I mean like the video like this for people with
2:15:14really small doll thinkers like how are you supposed to delete that like you can
2:15:19you can hit it but it's your really holding your watch up close your face to
2:15:24delete this that's one of the features were you can do it both from the watch
2:15:28and from the on the phone and I kind of feel like maybe they should have made
2:15:33that just a
2:15:34a just a phone on me and there's other things to wear the top targets to me are
2:15:41are pretty good so like when you're picking a button like you're texting
2:15:45with somebody and you're like reply and then gives you a bunch of options to
2:15:49choose from like Yes No
2:15:51ok absolutely those are generously sized and I you know I don't find myself
2:15:57missing tapping on them I feel like they're big enough but these little app
2:16:00icons on that plunging screen to small aesthetically I see why they did it but
2:16:07it's why I really can't believe that it passed their own internal use and what
2:16:13the third party apps is this the way that they were going to go into
2:16:16technical details of it but they're they're not really absurd called watch
2:16:20kid extensions and you have to have that app on your phone it there's a real app
2:16:25on your phone for every one of them there's no such thing yet as a watch
2:16:29only the third party so it's running on your phone you can optionally for any
2:16:35app on your phone that has a watch cut extension you can choose whether it is
2:16:40there or not on your watch using the Apple watch out on your phone and if
2:16:45it's there it's there but then when you run it it doesn't really run on your
2:16:48phone it's not executing code on the CPU on the watch I mean it doesn't run on
2:16:53the watch it doesn't execute code on a watch it
2:16:56transmitted over Bluetooth to your phone and it executes on your phone and an IT
2:17:01projects these views on to your watch your watch more lessons sorta like a car
2:17:05play display except it's only an inch and it means everything has a little
2:17:12laggy it is super laggy to load its laggy to get data and it even like
2:17:16button pushes are like yeah and I'm not even just to meet the glass going to
2:17:23classes and even the glances like paging through the atlantis yeah because
2:17:30sometimes they're not loaded yet but I do you use the glasses I do use the
2:17:38glasses that's the other thing that I feel like keeps you from going to that
2:17:41app launching home screen is for the stuff that I do most frequently I just
2:17:46go to the
2:17:46pants yeah much heart rate and then the battery life yeah what about the now
2:17:55playing now playing is pretty cool yeah that's why I mean I guess when I'm
2:18:00running I had that I haven't really been using it to much so the now playing
2:18:03glantz i think is pretty cool so whatever your iPhone his plane whether
2:18:06it has a watch
2:18:08extension or not if it's playing audio on your phone to your headphones you can
2:18:12control you know play by play pause fast-forward from the watches in the
2:18:17glands yeah you need to go just go you did just dropping making just watching
2:18:28him it's a much better cuz I'm like I can't communicate with this dog houses
2:18:34like I have like a little bit of his brain ok you really want to do and you
2:18:41don't have my attention and i cant like respond back the bottom line is it
2:18:46doesn't make me not like the watch but it makes me question whether there
2:18:50should be third party apps for it at all yet
2:18:52yeah I mean I to be like that was a thought I had early on when I got this
2:18:59thing was I just could not believe how much Apple was trying to do with it in a
2:19:03first generation product certainly ambitious but it's just a lot and it's
2:19:09very confusing I mean it takes a little bit of time a couple of days to figure
2:19:15out how to use it I see I think confusing a slightly wrong cause
2:19:18confusing it to me it's disorienting it first
2:19:24whereas confusing to me implies that there's no logical layout to it to me
2:19:29it's like it's like you're in a well laid out building but it's a big enough
2:19:33building it's gonna take you a couple of days to figure out your way around but
2:19:37then once you do there's a sense to it I do think it's very logically designed in
2:19:43a good way but there's no question about that when you first rapid on your wrist
2:19:47it is disorienting and you're like how in the world do i turn this off and it's
2:19:52you know
2:19:53you spend half your time poking around your wrist in half hour time poking
2:19:56around though the watch on your phone and it's it's confusing well I just said
2:20:01confusing so maybe this confusing I do me the biggest source of confusion is
2:20:07the stuff that was on the phone to control the watch and what's on the
2:20:12watch itself that took me a long time and you kinda have to learn it on a
2:20:16case-by-case basis
2:20:18yeah yeah i know i mean it's funny it's like the companion app I did not talking
2:20:26talking about but it really that's what you've gotta live in the first couple of
2:20:31days when you're first setting this thing yes absolutely
2:20:33like it's you know I think it's going to stay on your first iPhone home screen
2:20:36but it's definitely should be on your first iPhone home screen when you're
2:20:39first setting its online yet it still is
2:20:42yeah there's other cool stuff though they do stuff and again I don't think
2:20:47notifications are huge reason for it I I know you know everybody I think I think
2:20:52some people it's a big deal but I think there's a reason why Apple is making
2:20:55that a flagship tent pole thing that they're not even talking about
2:20:58notifications it's the you know using it as a wide using it as a status indicator
2:21:03for things like the weather in your appointments and your fitness goals and
2:21:08stuff like that and then to me that just the glances where you're not using apps
2:21:13you just quickly seen something to me the primary points and then this
2:21:18communication stuff who knows we have to see how that goes and then and then the
2:21:25fitness stuff definitely but it's it's almost like a wholly separate product
2:21:30category right
2:21:32alright last but not least the new MacBook yes I probably got like 10
2:21:39minutes so that's perfect I think we can cover quickly because it's to me and I i
2:21:49thought your review was a little harsh in a way that I feel like you you you
2:21:55were in the low down on an overall has a battery life isn't as good and living
2:21:59with one port is it seems early like in your whole gimmick of it that gimmick of
2:22:08your the conceit of your video is that it's it's a laptop from the future right
2:22:13out the ecosystem to support it i think it's you know I feel like what you
2:22:18underplayed is exactly how much it's the scenario is like the original MacBook
2:22:22Air which to me it's just it's just a replay of that right right except no I
2:22:27totally original MacBook Air was even more outrageously price if you know it
2:22:33was like it was like over $2000
2:22:37true you know I came out looking at there's two ways of looking at it right
2:22:44one was the price for what you get and then there was how much does this thing
2:22:50push the boundaries of what we have right now and are currently tops so you
2:22:55know I was trying to look at it from both of those places on your right at
2:23:00the end like I came out a little bit harsh as I think for me there was
2:23:05nowhere was gonna get this thing and certainly there are there are definitely
2:23:10people I've heard from that said ok that's great it's not for you but I'm
2:23:13definitely getting one of the main reasons that I wanted it work for the
2:23:18reasons that have pushed ahead laptops like it's so incredibly beautiful this
2:23:22machine it just i mean I love the trackpad the keyboard is is nice but
2:23:28that's you know just between the trackpad on the screen I really want
2:23:32this thing and then they were all of these other things that when you looked
2:23:36at it in comparison to what you can get for the price for other laptops it just
2:23:40didn't measure up and it was this obviously this push and pull of the
2:23:44compromise situation which was the same with their Rancho Mac original air and
2:23:49you know both the performance of the battery life and that one port I just
2:23:54felt like that is not pushing something ahead and I like to eat your comment was
2:24:00you know in terms of looking at it in terms of comparing to the iPad but again
2:24:04when you think about the iPad your you take a performance hit doesn't have an
2:24:09Internet supposed to have the same performance as a laptop as as a computer
2:24:13right i mean obviously those lines are blurring as we forge into this
2:24:16interesting area of these devices being both but you take a big performance hit
2:24:21on this laptop and it's now I felt it I think the noticeable performance hit
2:24:26coming from the air and it's a noticeable one battery life now of
2:24:30course the battery life has different things right if you compare to the 11
2:24:33inch air it's getting more battery life which is impressive but most people
2:24:37coming from a 13 inch air which is very portable for them has the power they
2:24:41need were used to all-day battery life and I just was not getting all-day
2:24:45battery life I used to use it for years and I cause I'm the sort if if I'm gonna
2:24:52go in one direction I like to go to the extreme from the lightest smallest
2:24:55laptop I want the light I wanted even smaller I want the 11 not the 13 but I
2:25:01think if you look at sales numbers and if you just sort of eyeball coffee shops
2:25:04the 13 edge is clearly the the main Apple the 13 inch air is the flagship
2:25:12Apple laptop like maybe flagship strong word but it's certainly the most common
2:25:17one and it's so therefore it's the baseline to compare everything against
2:25:21and I think it's fair to say therefore I think it's fair to say the new MacBook
2:25:25gets worse battery life even if it's better than the 11 cause I feel like
2:25:28it's it's a it's eventually going to replace the 13 as we gon I think that
2:25:35thing that the most a lot of people complaining about it what they really
2:25:40wanted I feel like is a ice water and health scenario like you can't just
2:25:46because you want it doesn't mean it's possible as I think what most people who
2:25:49are disappointed wanted was for Apple does just put retina screens in the
2:25:53MacBook Air that I love everything else about my hair all I want is a Retina
2:25:57screen
2:25:57why can't you just give me that keep my USB ports keep my MagSafe charger let me
2:26:03have a thunderbolt I dunno if you certainly if you plug this thing into a
2:26:07Thunderbolt Display you're screwed because the $80 adapter doesn't even
2:26:10have a wonderful and why can't you just give me that and I think the reason you
2:26:15can't you couldn't do that is that it clearly is Retina screen stick up so
2:26:20much more battery power that the hair form factor wouldn't work it had to be
2:26:24re-engineered right and I i would obviously love that product I would love
2:26:31that product and it's part of why I'm at this point considering getting a wrap up
2:26:35thirteen because actually the battery life has gotten better on that thirteen
2:26:38it has forced touch it as the Retina screen I actually think it's a bad
2:26:42laptop is it is a better by at some points now than the 13 inch air
2:26:46specially if you're not on a strict budget but to me it just it was a hard
2:26:54it's it's hard to recommend to people but it is an amazing feat of engineering
2:26:58it is a beautiful laptop and it's a pleasure to use when you are plugged
2:27:04into a wall and don't need anything else and for the people who are out there and
2:27:08I know that people like us like people who really put the machines are don't
2:27:12qualify for it but I think the real world there are a lot of people are like
2:27:14I've never plug anything into my Macbook and I've heard people who say like that
2:27:18they're you know yesterday I returned fire ball but my husband or my wife or
2:27:23whoever that they know their daughter or whatever their son never plugs anything
2:27:28and they're like well then it might be a great machine and and and that's where
2:27:33like people are saying well I don't need that power I don't need it
2:27:35well then that's great you're paying for this beautiful design and this beautiful
2:27:39screen but you're compromising the power and the battery life and that's fine but
2:27:45you're paying more money to get less I'll be less functionality
2:27:51the other thing last but not least is that one USB seaport and I know John
2:27:56Siracusa has
2:27:58teams are truly confounded by I'm not quite caught up on the accidental tech
2:28:02podcast as required this but I know he's gone over why not to why only one by one
2:28:07and i dont I cannot bring myself to believe that its engineering I cannot
2:28:13believe that they couldn't that that putting a second one in would decrease
2:28:18you know obviously we take some space and therefore take a little bit of the
2:28:21battery space way I just can't believe it would matter that much for something
2:28:25that clearly is a pretty small part I think it's a philosophical thing where
2:28:29they philosophically wanted to make it like the iPad where there's one port
2:28:35and the downfall of that though is that nobody has ever grown the habit of
2:28:41charging devices from their iPad and the iPad gets longer battery life too
2:28:48yeah I mean just just by the nature that have we use it right like I don't charge
2:28:54my ipod every day because I don't live on it every day I mean I charged every
2:28:59couple of days by my nightstand just cuz I like to have more power and no I don't
2:29:04have different people use USB ports for all sorts of different things I know
2:29:07photographers and cameras in there and they're all sorts of other things
2:29:11peripherals external hard drives for some people but I the one to me that
2:29:15Apple to me maybe is a little bit of denial with the one port on the MacBook
2:29:21is and you and I just talked about this half an hour ago as the need to charge
2:29:26your iPhone during the day and I know I've done it I've done it when I'm out
2:29:31of the house and working remotely that I don't even plug from the train and
2:29:36Amtrak if I guess I don't have a working AC adapter next to me or if i dont have
2:29:40the window seat and I don't want to reach across a stranger to plug in I
2:29:45just plugged my phone cuz I know that i'm gonna get home from to Philly from
2:29:48New York with plenty of battery life on my MacBook Pro I'll just borrow some of
2:29:52that and reduce my phone and if you're also charging your MacBook you can't do
2:29:59that right and there are sometimes I MacBooks already run down and you want
2:30:03to charge your phone and you need that second part just as a charter right you
2:30:07need this dongle basically you need this dongle to get by with using this one
2:30:11again it's like they should just bundle the doc which they're definitely not
2:30:17that every day when they tried to get it and the $80 price on that really plays
2:30:23into the worst of perceiving Apple because to me it's it's actually
2:30:28accurate is is there the richest company in the world and they're torn down and
2:30:33they're charging for plastic for $80 thing that is quite frankly ugly by
2:30:39necessity right
2:30:41takes gotta have to report it like you take
2:30:44taken disgraceful little tiny elegant USB seaport and turned it into this big
2:30:50white thing looks like you know like something they would hook up to you in a
2:30:54hospital with three ugly ports on it or to other ports and one more USB support
2:30:59right i mean i i guess i I should have looked at it a little bit closer to the
2:31:06iPad and that use case and I certainly think that is the way we are going and
2:31:11that's where I think like as we as this future of bombs like that is what our
2:31:15computers look like it's like all we need is a screen with a flat piece of
2:31:20keyboard and you know and actually it's very close to what out Microsoft been
2:31:25trying to do with the surface for a long time now but more and more when I review
2:31:30that surface or use that service and just wish it was a laptop so I really
2:31:34like the way they've gone with this you know what remains interesting to me or
2:31:40you know we don't know yet is what that I Pad Pro might look like and how did
2:31:46those are those any different than what we've seen with the MacBook but I think
2:31:50it's pretty clear where when something starts as a laptop and had some of that
2:31:56tablet functionality or we have that tablet that becomes that laptop where
2:32:00the sacrifices are in this case it just seems like we are making too many
2:32:04sacrifices to move in and I think for everybody like us and the people who
2:32:10listen to the show it is it's a device from the future it's a prototype from
2:32:13the future that's not ready for our day-to-day use but it will be and I
2:32:18think it's it's a clear bed from Apple that two or three years from now we are
2:32:22going to be using a laptop that really is just as much a little peripheral is
2:32:27the iPad is right I would I'd love about it is it means like there is this huge
2:32:32bright future for laptops or just devices that we can be highly productive
2:32:37on that don't work like this traditional computer or laptop we've we've know
2:32:44right I mean that's what the air was and that was such a huge step in the
2:32:48industry and this this is also gonna be huge step in the interests there's no
2:32:52way
2:32:52are not going to see a serious or Microsoft or some other PC manufacturer
2:32:58taking notes from this and trying to do something very similar great point thank
2:33:05you so much for your time
2:33:07amazing thank you so much for reviewing so many products in one week
2:33:11yeah never again I say never again but of course and getting a puppy in getting
2:33:19a new probably the worst mistake of it the homepage best place to read is w SJD
2:33:27dot com is that's the homepage for The Wall Street Journal digital team Joanna
2:33:36stern some of that I unbelievable timing because I would have wanted to have you
2:33:40want to talk about the MacBook I would have wanted you to have you on to talk
2:33:42about the Apple Logic I got to have you want to talk about both so I cannot
2:33:46thank you enough for your time
2:33:48yeah I know I love doing alright good luck with Diana find my own positive
2:33:52podcasts or something I just can't find the time it's surprising how hard it can
2:33:57be
2:33:58yeah good luck with the dog poop