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00:03:56 ◼ ► I could I would think about using is acting like you said leaders as sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/236">TS</a>]
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00:04:11 ◼ ► uniform for an iPad what's the name is a reflector or is that the different thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/251">TS</a>]
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00:04:47 ◼ ► first for the after-school advised a display accidental ingestion your iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/287">TS</a>]
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00:05:04 ◼ ► how that plays at the company the other thing too is that the same part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/304">TS</a>]
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00:05:18 ◼ ► you know that any involvement managers to they don't talk about their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/318">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► experience at Apple even when they leave is because so many of them go back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/323">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► then a revolving door right it's like Steve Jobs Steve Jobs did when when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/327">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► he came back to the company's get rid of the sabbatical program they used to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/335">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► forget how many years but every five years you got like couple months about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/341">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► and he got really I forget various reasons but one of them was that an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/344">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► awful how the time people who take a sabbatical and in the end it's about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/352">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► but there's sort of a defacto sabbatical where if you feel burned out you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/355">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► quit you can leave and you know as long as you're on good terms it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/361">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► easiest way to get a job at Apple is to have been a successful album boy before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/366">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► I can't tell you how many people I know who've left and come back within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/370">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► sometimes a year sometimes it's actually pretty quick sometimes 34 years but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/374">TS</a>]
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00:06:28 ◼ ► very awake at this point it's a mean everyone knows about it and I think even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/388">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► Apple internally Blake Dave days it's always like it's totally accepted and an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/393">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► called you get burned out and go work at a startup to relax you come back right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/402">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► to give you an idea of what the what the what the pace and expectations are ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/408">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► but it is you know better I think it's an interesting way to do sabbaticals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/415">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► quick comeback yeah I work for them in russia that it's something that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/420">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► companies like two adopted as a part of the Microsoft have a sabbatical policy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/427">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► don't think so it was that not that it matters I remember I mean I wasn't there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/434">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► long enough to you to have a matter for me but I I've heard of people taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/439">TS</a>]
00:07:24 ◼ ► sabbaticals but I don't think it was a formal thing I think those things were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/444">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► if you're you're in good standing in the other Microsoft is in part because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/447">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► where they're located I'm in there there are more and more jobs in in Seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/453">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► instead and the startups and stuff but in general it's more of a big company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/459">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► town with Microsoft and Amazon and no one from acts of historical Amazon for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/462">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► the most part because you know things that they were hinson hours Nokia paid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/466">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► anything so there's kind of a plus in my rocks off it's a plus in that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/472">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► there's still a lot of really good employees their wares if they had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/478">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► the valley like you didn't like HP your or Yahoo is possible for Miss America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/481">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► back and they just lost they watched so many people you know if they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/485">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► like how do you come back from that wears Microsoft I think one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/489">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► Avenger being there is that they they're still a lot of really strong people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/493">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► there is a disadvantage though because you get people that are just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/497">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► there and they're not particularly pleased at being there and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/500">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► a drag so it cuts both ways by Tom I think I do recall people you know taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/503">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► some time off in you know it being ok because their valuable employees in you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/509">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► know people appreciate that sometimes you need to unplug it used to be a mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/515">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► his history but it was you know when I wasn't getting out of college in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/521">TS</a>]
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00:08:59 ◼ ► day I think they practically invented the sort of gimmicky you know off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/539">TS</a>]
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00:09:10 ◼ ► bug right but the interview question why why is a manhole cover round and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/550">TS</a>]
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00:09:36 ◼ ► want to get on the next big thing but for a lot of people the idea of being at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/576">TS</a>]
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00:09:44 ◼ ► people and then asleep or valuable too because you need those are the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/584">TS</a>]
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00:09:54 ◼ ► push forward but it is always a balance and it can create a certain arrogance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/594">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► and institutional arrogance because the gist of it is then it trades this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/599">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► created a culture I think we're at the assumption was any you have to be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/603">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► smart to work at Microsoft and and therefore everybody here is like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/608">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► smartest people in the world and at the time Microsoft had this extraordinary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/612">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► success that seemed to back up the idea that the company was staffed with all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/617">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► the best programmers and oral absolutely no it is definitely a problem it in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/622">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► it's a prominent a few levels one you definitely get variants or arrogant to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/628">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► it also kind of breathe a little bit of a bad culture in that everyone everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/633">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► is like the first time I got into place where they're not for sure the smartest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/640">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► person in the room and so every is very eager to show that they are the smartest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/644">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► person in the room and like people trying to show that they're smart is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/648">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► conducive to collaborative collaborative worker is conducive to having a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/652">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► doggy dog sort of culture which Microsoft is very famous for end and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/659">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► think that's that's probably plays into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/666">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► yeah I think Google is the inheritor of that I do let me Google is so much like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/669">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► in so many respects I mean I've written from just from me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/676">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► big picture i GTG perspective I think that there there right now in a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/680">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► similar to Microsoft around around 2,000 obviously that's somewhat controversial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/685">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► but not even that but just the way the higher the way they the way they treat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/689">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► employees their status in the valley the way people look at them for sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/693">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► there there the inheritor even the even and I think you can agree with that even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/697">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► if you like Google Microsoft vice versa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/702">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► and it's just the function of being kinda big dog and a mic of course Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/704">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► is is the biggest client call for market perspective but they've always been very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/709">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► slow it's apples of the valley but they're separate from the valley like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/713">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► all the startups and all people like all work towards Google and people bars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/718">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► after that just as they previously did Microsoft and Apple is always been kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/722">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► of a bit of an aberration from a coaching perspective from the product of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/726">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► perspective and obviously you know there's something to that I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/730">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► also a personality perspective I think that the i mean I know I have talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/735">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► about this before in the show I know people who have gone between Google and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/740">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► Apple but not very few fewer than any similar companies that I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/745">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► like they just the two companies tend to draw very very different personalities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/750">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► know for certain I think you can see this from a social perspective you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/754">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► I think Apple people tend to hang out with Apple people whereas Google and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/760">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► kinda slow startup culture is much more much more of a group in goes back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/766">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► forth and you see tons of you know you from Google going and going into going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/772">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► to start ups and coming back on select that educ durable but I think too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/777">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► lower degree I think you you are more want term employees at Apple Store to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/781">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► see him in the world were were able to have a talk a bit but I definitely have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/787">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► always felt that the valley companies Google yea even though Apple's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/791">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► biggest Apple is kind of its in its own world in can always has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/796">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► yeah I also their personality wise I think a lot of the people who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/800">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► gotten an apple who are very smart but they're not the type of smart person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/803">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► wants to assert that they're the smartest person in the world are in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/809">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► room that there and they'd be happy not to because it did cool now I've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/812">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► these other smarter people and almost like to if you want to bring some sports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/816">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► ball into it it's you know what do you do if you've always been the star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/821">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► basketball player but now you're only the third or fourth best are you happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/825">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► because holy holy shit now I've got three guys on the team who are better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/831">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► than me and i'll settle into a smaller role and we're gonna win or are you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/835">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► know you upset and gonna complain about how many shots were getting and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/842">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► note only eight and I mean I am I think of I'm very vociferous in my you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/845">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► will be able basketball and when the result of it is because I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/852">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► it's a sport that it's one of the hardest ports to kind of figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/856">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► right I mean I think we did by the titles last time we played baseball at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/861">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► the end of a one-and-one game where is basketball the interaction both on often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/865">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► is so important to it and it's and it's not it's you can't distill it to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/872">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► spreadsheet is just one of those days a lot of feel to it makes sense right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/877">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► with only five players on the court anytime one new player is a significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/881">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► difference I mean I think maybe the canonical example would be when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/886">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► King James went to the heat and he already had a lineup of all-star players [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/891">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► and they added you know almost in arguably the best player in the league [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/897">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► that's not necessary that wasn't necessarily going to work out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/902">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► wasn't you know it was certainly talent injection but it it isn't necessarily it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/907">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► wasn't it wasn't fate that it was going to lead to success rate was a fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/913">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► things are seeing that they replayed outraged and in sorry your week going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/918">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► going worse than in that time so now it is with the Cavalier's yeah yeah totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/921">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► so I've always been very fascinating is armed E [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/929">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► if you work a kind the Executive Board of most big companies it's like Stanford [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/934">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► Stanford MIT Stanford Stanford but that's never been the case for a for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/938">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► Apple I'm you get right now I mean you have your typical to Auburn and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/944">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► interference with 22 Boston get a DQ into a huge do could see obviously you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/949">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► know that that's a prestigious school but not a valid school right is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/956">TS</a>]
00:16:00 ◼ ► it's out of Valley School arm shoulder with Boston College yeah I think so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/960">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► it is now used for whatever reason he's a huge fan of sports yeah I think he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/966">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► our my I just quit my job and a couple of them here are the University of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/972">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► Massachusetts Amherst enrich ill Phil Schiller is Boston College and I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/976">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► Jeff Williams North Carolina State I mean like state schools rate I'm good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/984">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► schools schools are but not very different than the then then a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/990">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► the valley and I think I I think it's a big deal I think it matters and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/997">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► biased news regarding I want to say it's cool I mean it was a Drexel University [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► by addressing the public school for people who are otherwise going to end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► in the states by the way I think it's alriiiiight I'm not objective in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1012">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► slightest in this because when I was when I was gonna be a very hard time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► getting a job and because I had is very kind of non-traditional background I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► been living abroad I'd teaching English traveling the world stuff like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► water companies were like people to always very interesting but I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► never make the cover an interview if I got a prisoner of you never make it to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► second one even if I thought very well and cuddle one exception was was Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► where everything went fantastically got in you know relatively little quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► easily and you never told me write about or in ice for six or 630 like my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► interview so that price sorry things but she's like I want to hire uses a resume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► because it was so off the wall like that's that's the sort of person that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► were looking for and you go there any me lots of people and I believe it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► most people I met ya the recent Stanford people in there were some you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► might even like that but a lot of people had really weird backgrounds and did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► lots of strange stuff in there were super smart but they were the weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► weird PeopleSmart and I think that's why I don't think that's an accident I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► a lot of Engineers an apple or at least a couple license a lot I know a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► of those who don't have any degree at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► and I would say a lot who have degrees and things other than computer science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► physics lot of physics I mean I don't have any both Indy and people at Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► you know people who went to school for physics and we're programming on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► side and then just got sucked into it and it just was irrelevant to their job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► prospects at Apple that they didn't have a computer science degree or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► whatever school wasn't texting in nicholson's new book on undressing Meyer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► where she was she was dismissive of because she didn't have a college degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► I i remember i havent ready and able and ready to exert there is something though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► where she was you know she's sort of just turned her nose up at somebody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► just because the person had didn't have a college degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► Biol Google is notorious for having a very strong bias towards you know toward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► your degree in your GPA in particular from Stanford and I think a lot of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► of the valley is and it's one of those things where I think the problem with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► is is it raises the floor for who you hire like you're gonna get someone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► smart and capable but anytime you raise the four year olds alluring the ceiling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► because you're kind of constraining constrain your options and someone fits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► in a box like you're not going to get out of the box thinking I mean and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► think Apple at least in my personal experience in from people that I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► their info I talked to you in this is a university like the way Apple things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► putting much more value on non-school stuff and and and if they're smart and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► if they're kinda weird and they've done interesting things than that someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► that were injured in and if they spent their whole day's going going to schools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► may be useful but it's always more of a more of a challenge in some respects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► yeah the other thing to do you like that whole asserting who's the smartest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► person in the room like I've heard this and other people too but this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► premium personal experience I way back when I'm close to 10 years ago like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► eight years ago when I was a joint we had a meeting with the app or just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► know what you guys are working on this is one joint was not a hosting company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► when we were doing like a web based email calendar contacts syncing type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► thing and it was you know was a pleasant meeting it was a scene so maybe like 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► 40 minutes but it was like the opposite of anybody trying to assert who is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► smartest all they wanted to do was listen that's it they had they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► questioned but there was absolutely no it was the opposite was almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► creepy how much they were just observing and listening to us and revealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► yeah we want to get into like wait read way too much into this like we probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► already are but if you want to take it full speed ahead of where the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► things will be an intern at Apple is they have this like this in turn lecture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► series where basically the executive team a different team for lunch they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► come in for an hour and they talked some some some just talked all times I'm give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► presentations others do Q&A so it was i mean two hours do jobs an hour to an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► hour with the seller like Ron Ron Ron Johnson like it was an incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► experience like worth the internship alone by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► there was wide that was really interesting because this person came in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► and he was obviously the smartest person in the room and he was also determined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► to make sure that everyone knew who the smartest person in the room is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► person no longer I'll give you one guess as to whose personal guessing it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► good for us it was like i watch them yeah I told a friend of mine and we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► meet up this way after he left a polite we as we talked what r afterwards I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► Hughes so but it was just such a turnoff to listen to him talk especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► relative to other executives and if you will run again you know for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► personal the same for listeners but there's a Stanford guy and and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► know if I wasn't as well as things were when he left I was shocked but I was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► surprised because of that that was aware that there was a mean I've heard stuff I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► knew that it was i mean I knew that he was a difficult person to to work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► the grapevine by Tom I i misses him to be honest are by III also was not was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► not surprised I agree with that I do too I think it's easy like I laughed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► said I knew I didn't like was it was forced off but I think he's an extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► complicated figure and I think explaining his role in Apple's success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► over the last fifteen years is extremely complicated and there's absolutely no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► way to paint it black or white and say he is mass they suck without him or it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1433">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► was easy no-brainer to get rid of good riddance to bad rubbish it is so so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► different in now integrate its just so many interweaves streaks of black and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► absolutely good part by part good part part now he's a mean he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:20 ◼ ► is on the top five list of people most responsible for Apple being where it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1460">TS</a>]
00:24:24 ◼ ► today I think part of it was that I think he always had and I don't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1464">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► again I met him once you know after a keynote and we had like half hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► any was just me and him in hand on area and it was clearly a reader my site very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► complimentary of my work and we just talked about some cool stuff and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► know it was no showing off his stuff and nobody was very very brain it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► actually around the time of 10 Dec 2010 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► yeah i phone 4 yes iPhone 4 and the iPad was like four months old and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► this stuff we're getting kids but it's actually ever to everybody but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► especially kids with autism and problems like that were found to be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► sensational staff communication wise with iPhones and now with the big iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► which really helps with fine motor control kozyrev bigger targets that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► was a huge thing he was so amazingly engaged in this you know that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► like hey how to make the company another ten billion dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► you know it's clearly a small segment of the overall market for iPads and I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► but he was super super engaged on it and thought we'd is cool discussion about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► how that a lot of the things that they design not think they did you know all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► these things fell out of things to do just that we're cool for regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► but it ends up being you know super great for people with autism but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► it's this whole that his conclusion he said that they were looking into it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► try to prove it just do it is that it's just about a leave you know eliminating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► a layer of abstraction that that whole thing where you move mouse which needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:22 ◼ ► and you do it you know once you get used to using computers you know you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1582">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► forget about it but that people with autism can never get past it that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► this abstraction that just their brains don't make the connection and when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► can put their finger right on that button on the screen and tap it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► it's not just like a little bit easier it's the difference between unable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► make the connection in completely able to make the connection and that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► people who can use a mouse and don't have any sort of impairment like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► they you know they might they they don't really think about the fact that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► iPad's a lot easier for the iPhones a lot easier but that it ends up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► subconsciously without thinking about it is and it actually is why they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► prefer using it now I i think is a great conversation and and the gist of it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► just he just was talking with just me and him talking and it was great and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► thought he was great and I also know also not just at the other thing is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► there are tons of people ton of people who worked under him at Apple who loved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► him love and love working under he was demanding but that it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► absolutely not he was very well and the other thing to the heard time and time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► people who worked under him always had the sense that he had their back right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► right that's like getting out there not only thing is I actually think I I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► sure by thinking that talk I think actually did talk a lot was the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► summer 2010 I was there and so maybe was on his mind I think he talked a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► about the accessibility stuff and I i think im not sure but I think I've heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► that he was really the driving force for iOS being so advanced when it came to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► accessibility like for the blind and play well it certainly wasn't complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► advocate for it I get total a dream he may not have been the driving force be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► put his advocacy behind it just in general I mean I i really think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► this is where I think missus amateur parts I think one is is like his ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► to a guy I do think that I was was incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► given given what always was not be at all and was really good I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► a discussion we had about some stuff but too I think he had a real passion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► push for usability and accessibility not not just for like disabled but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► normal people and like and so much of the original iPhone OS that was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► natural and so obvious in that obvious pneus it's obvious when you use it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► it's not obviously designed it requires tons of generation and tons of pushback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► in doing it again again and certainly jobs was was the head of this in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► input for this but this was where this is where in particular I think for so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► really channel jobs and certainly iowa's now as they especially now once were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► used to work much better than the old iPhone OS but I still think there's lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► of areas where there are more difficult to use it more difficult in a knot in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► that they're less obvious and i think is missing still I think a way that you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► there is not so much being able to find the truly simple seemingly obvious way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► to do it it's more of the refusal to accept the complicated the complex the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► this isn't it isn't clear how you do it but you you know you start you think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► you know here's how will lay out the new calendar app for iOS aid and will do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► this and this and that sounds good and you build it and use it and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► but I'm kind of confused they just show a list of events and eventually though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► you can get used to it and you can just say well you can do everything right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► I've been testing it long enough I know it good enough let ship it whereas I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► think forestall and again like you say channeling jobs had an ability to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► this isn't good enough this shit we've gotta start over this you know this can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► be tweaked we can't just move about in here we've got to throw this out because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► the whole thing is just not brain that clear yet so hard as well as you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► you can just talk yourself into accepting something that's not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► clear so hard when you're immersed in it so hard to look at something through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► eyes of a new user or a novice user like that's that's a truly like a skill and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► gift that very few people including myself I think you know have because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► what you're just used to it and so he becomes a blind spot yeah I guess I take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1865">TS</a>]
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00:31:25 ◼ ► your photos directly on pieces of glass not on a piece of paper that's under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► glass frame they said I don't know what they do they've got some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► proprietary technology is amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► a print your photo right on the glass the effect in person is like the analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:44 ◼ ► equivalent of these modern retina displays where the LCD is laminated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1904">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► center where it looks like the pixels are right on the glass that's what your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► photo looks like when you get it back from fracture really really cool they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► have a home in two sizes everything from small square ones to really really big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► ones and they ship them in these amazing it's almost worth ordering your first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► thing from fractured just to see how they ship them because the box is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► frame is the stand it's all sort of integrated and there's like a total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► minimal amount of wasted cardboard but when you get out if you wanna hang it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► a wall or you wanna property under desk all that stuff is all built in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► to what you get to you don't need to take this thing and then put a frame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► around it or put it in a frame or do anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► everything you need to like say hanging on the wall or propped up on your desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► is all built in to the packaging really cool looking so you can do it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► it borderless so it just isn't just has a great effect very very aesthetically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► pleasing under desk or on your wall and the quality is just top notch I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1971">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► really love the way pictures from this is a great gift if you haven't tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► your do not it's really really good way and you know I think they're big pitch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► more and more digital diddle diddle diddle with her photography we lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► touch of humanity of getting analog prints of your family and friends and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► you know event from your life that you want to remember and the way that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► used to in the old days all the best photos we had of course analog digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► we had and you have to hang on your wall or on your desk or incremental so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► take your best pictures get them printed out and there's no better way to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► than tractor so where do you go to find out more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► well their website is add fracture frac ture me.com fracture me.com and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2032">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► have a special code just for listeners of the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2042">TS</a>]
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00:34:21 ◼ ► like the analog meter of photos did you see that that iPhone app that basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► let you take what you take a picture but it doesn't show you the picture taken it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► and once you've taken 24 pictures you can pay to have them mailed to you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► like printed out you know I did see something like this is like maybe a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► yeah it's called White Album I think I'm gonna just did a quick search White [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► Album I think so the out white white white album out dot com suppressant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► beetles in some ways that sounds terrible it's interesting you like good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2093">TS</a>]
00:35:04 ◼ ► I thought it was exactly like ours is so great it's a wonderful and it's like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2104">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► you certainly that is that it sounds great when you tweet it I'm not sure be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► very great next real life and I also feel that there's something about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► digital viewfinder even though the iPhone viewfinder is using your iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► if you find her and holding it up and the camera is so much bigger than what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► you'd see what I can analog old analog film camera when you look through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► eyepiece but because it's a center there's something about it that makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► harder to frame exactly what you want I don't know why I feel like if I tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► this I would not take as good of pictures as I would if I were using my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► old thirty five-millimeter SLR looking through the viewfinder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► well yeah i know i cant champ and look at the pictures as I take them but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2155">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► feel like I would get better pictures that way cuz I'm looking through an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► actual analog viewfinder and there's no lag whatsoever no I agree and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► actually I just think about it when I use my my like i i i dont look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► photo I took most the time was I mite worried about the exposure something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► right unless you notice something really weird like man this is there's such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► strong backlighting like these people you know there's no way to get on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► other side of them in the Sun is behind them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► I want to double check that this isn't just going to show up as a software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► right exactly exactly a juicy I take it and then we'll get it whenever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► whatever I used to get frustrated I don't even remember the last time I long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► to hear but I used to use Hipstamatic a lot because I thought they had for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► while I thought they had the best filters by far but its somatic had they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► were halfway in that regard where they didn't let you apply filters to photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► you'd already taken and they didn't let you change the filters on photos taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► you had to set your gimmicky fake lands and your gimmicky fake film and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► whatever you took you got interesting I'd ever I never really used it it ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► I it it's you know and it was all in the name of this sort of well for lack of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► better term school more effect pretending that you're at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► Hipstamatic app was a film camera you know and have different lands computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► you can I find a film you really like and then you put a different lens on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► it gives it a slightly I think that the film's always had the strongest effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► on the filtering in the lenders a little secondary but you can get different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► effects but you couldn't see until after you took photo and it was a Renault and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► if you took one and it was like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► you had it set up to look really good outside on a sunny day in pictures were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► nice and warm and had a nice night gimmicky filter look but just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► pleasing look and then you went indoors in the same combination look bad you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► were at like so many taps and turning the camera around in switching the film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► is crazy when I just let me do this after taking the photos it in do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► think about that with with Instagram records you use unlike an initial pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► you would think that they're gonna be there there in the same category but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► mean Instagram is is an amazing nap in service because it's it's really forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► in when you get that is like Instagram it was kind of the first really pure we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► were built for a mobile phone and part that's in the workflow you just take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► picture and then you apply the filter and yeah maybe if I applying a key she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► secure morphic type filter but it fits with the way you actually take pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► yeah and then the alleged beyond that the actual service you know only royal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► working on a phone in having a bare-bones website at best for a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► long time even today it's pretty bare-bones like they've they've always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► been a mobile-first company that is those daughter on the phone with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► assumption that you're going to use your phone and I think it's a big part of why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► you know they've been so successful yeah aesthetic side there's no doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► Instagram I wouldn't call it a rip off I would just say that the Date II [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► Hipstamatic lunch where there is so much that they they just took from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► the square the only side the only the only size you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► somatic has has had a no fake borders to make you know some of the film's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► depending on what phone you had had like polaroids style borders which if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► recall Instagram had for like the first couple of years of its existence right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► you know the basic the base that look like like not just you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► film's tended to look like old analog instant films all of that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► Instagram just borrowed from Hipstamatic or followed Hipstamatic lead but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2396">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► did that in a better way because they they took advantage of they they did all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► the things I said that made people like that look they do you know that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► the you know just the pleasure gives you two have photos from your camera that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► look like that and that made you know just look cool or look better or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► whatever you want to say look deeper with none of the none of the goofy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► restrictions the Hipstamatic imposed in the name of just pure hips tourism you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► know the whole once you've set a filter you know you have to take the filter the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► photo with the filter and if you don't like it tough take another photo whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► Instagram will let you pick camera images from your camera roll they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► let you change the filter if you're already taken in Instagram etc and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► you know multiply that by a hundred fold by having the genius of turning it into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► a twitter-like social network right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► glad that you know but it's all part of it i mean if I think that if they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► lines without filters at all it would have taken a lot longer may not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► taken off thats whats O'Brien about about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► Instagram as a social network is they did there was a reason to use Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► from day one you do you have any friends and that that's what's so hard about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► getting off the ground is is just finding people are discovering people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► and even Twitter today has this problem where people get on there and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► have many followers in now traders cut off from the Facebook you know kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► connection feed and it's like so I'm just like 40 in the win here like who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► listening to what I have to say where is with Instagram like you're getting value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► you can get value from Instagram even if you have 0 followers yes even if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► Instagram feed is more or less just your own photos from now when nobody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► looking at in there you can send you know email them and keep them and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► know right maybe it's because the filters I mean they're they're cool and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► then they will need and and no I read the other is just in general I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► just said something along these lines is appreciating a product is so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► than just like the actual like like Instagram is successful yet maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► borrowed the the filter concept and a lot of was very similar Hipstamatic but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► that's not an it's very easy it's stuck on that in like comparing companies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► to bring products on the sort of stuff but the whole earth like the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► it solve it and even even with Instagram Ruak is they are low how they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► make money in the future in the long run that's going to be part of the product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► Linda like it's much more there's all these different facets that go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► ensure some companies are probably someone one facet of you very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► other ones in maybe those different things and making the difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► give any insight on this a couple weeks ago down from her was on the show and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► it's been so long that I almost forgotten the complained that Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► still doesn't have an iPad up I do actually I i think it's I think it's ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2575">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► I mean I understand I understand the the objection but I think it comes back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► Instagram being being a a phone first outbreak that that's where awake so just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► from a very kind of narrow perspective I think it's grim still sees more benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► from working on improving their phone apps and they do on building building an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► iPad app 12 the problem I mean now that people use iPads cameras this isn't as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► quite a strong idea but I think this was component in streams that he is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► than almost israel's like facebook in that there is a very solid balance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► between creating content and consuming content whereas Twitter I think a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► people might just consumer they're really put stuff out there where where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► is in ceramic people use it to make stuff and they use it to get stuff and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:57 ◼ ► think I almost think it's an outdated view of the iPad I think in a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2637">TS</a>]
00:44:01 ◼ ► ways and especially when it comes to photography the iPad is a lot more big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2641">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► iPhone then then tablet laptop I do think so especially for your for certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► segments of the population I mean it's my mom's primary camera you like to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► into your mom but literally it's my mom's primary primary there's too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► people like that I you know every time I go to a used to I used to make a note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► and I used to even when we go to Disney World [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► like a year or two ago I would just snap photos of people using tablets as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► cameras just as I got things to do while walking around the park and I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► publish them anywhere to make fun of them but I just had them privately and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► see how many how many brothers of people using their tablet has a camera can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► rack up in a day in my son you know my son used to laugh that was the stupidest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► happy to have it did you ever know but I can usually get like 20 in a day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► then I just deleted it sorry could even do anymore you'd you'd never get you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► be able to get from point A to point B it's it is commonly seen somebody using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► the phone has a camera and there's too many people who you know they just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► see the distinction like I don't even see be by then when I first tried to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► off I tried to get off my own high horse about making fun of people using tablets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► as cameras may like a year ago or so I still get pushback from my listeners of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► the show command it stupid looking now I don't even get that everybody it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► some ken and I feel like it's almost ridiculous for a nap thats photo centric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► like Instagram not to be native on what is for a lot of people their primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► camera in hand for the consumption side consuming photos it's always better to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:44 ◼ ► be bigger so it would you know to look at your friends photos it's always going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2744">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► bigger and bigger on the biggest device you know that's very I like I think your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► point is right that the that that justification may have made sense but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► makes increasingly western states that said they did their part of Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► days they have access to numbers in where what people are using and where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► they're using it so I would imagine it's a it's not a uninformed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► the third factor is that it's different I think any iOS a tiara with the two fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► with the new phones because the difference between making an iPad app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► and an iPhone is nowhere near as different as it used to be like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► it's really more in with these if you doing it the right way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► if you can support the multiple iPhones sizes there's almost no reason you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► should be supporting the iPad to the same thing it's no longer to big things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► it's these different you know what I can scaling factors or whatever is going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► I think there is a resolution issue I know some people have raised there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► possible reason as well like this room for those are two super low resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2815">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► gonna get off the ground by utilizing like the iPhone 3G camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► yeah so my guess is it's coming but it's it's almost it's almost as you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► almost like they're doing it on purpose at this point because they do support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► the native iPhone 6 sizes in six-plus you know and I would suggest as as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► iPad app just you know i i think thats a nap we don't have to you know that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► just asked just a just a natively scaled version of the iPhone app would be just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► fine you don't have to redesign interrelated out or do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► different so I mean their website is basically a a scaled-up version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► iPhone app like it's literally just like a comma photos that that might as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► be the output on open webpage yeah I think the more I get my guess is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► explanation is that I think that you know there are very conservative company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► has a weird thing or a four-year-old what five-year-old startup that is part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2874">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► of Facebook and that is you know gone from thirteen people to you know billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► dollar acquisition to a multi-billion dollar asset in just a handful of years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► usually don't think of such companies as being conservative but they are they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► very very conservative in my opinion we can only sign ways you can really see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► that you can argue we see the conservatism in the fact that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► sought out so early right and you know yeah I would say that's actually part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► the conservatism and I would say the biggest sign of it is just how close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► what they have today is to what they shipped with the first day like it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► know they've definitely added a bunch of features in the rewritten the filters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► but it's more or less the same thing you would be someone who got to who like on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► the day that Instagram came out for iPhone and just Institute body are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► know I just downloaded it got into it and said I love this I love this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► Instagram thing and just consumed the whole album understood the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► and if you took today is Instagram to that person five years ago for years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► whatever it is they would be right at home they have like two or three new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► things too like that score but that's it it's a good point there's very few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► companies are you can say that about yeah when it gets the genius of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► genius of the other the whole entire concept to write think about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► different Twitter today like logging into twitter.com and what you're exposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► to compare to what you were you know five years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► very different what else is in the news before we get too big picture stuff see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► box had their IPO today they did and it popped very nicely I which is great for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► them I i kind of suspect that they they underpriced a little on purpose just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► because there's been so much there's been a bit of a cloud on the company for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► the last year which is not which is not a good thing to have your trying to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► into very large enterprises in assure them that you're gonna you can hold on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► whereas now I think they're going to come out of this is going to be a ton of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► good news while you were fantastic the market loves them and I think it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► to be really good for them from me just a sales momentum perspective so I won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:18 ◼ ► be suspected when I won't be surprised if they continue their private leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3018">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► money on the table by but that they deemed kind of the shift in perception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► that this will result in to be to be worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► yeah the psychology of an IPO is so weird because it's like dealing in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► sense you want to price their IPO exactly what the market is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► value-add because otherwise you're leaving money on the table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► but then you're at it from your investor's perspective there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► financial drive to underpriced your IPO so that all those investor shares go up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► in value once the market prices it I think I think it I think it I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► matters and the people you take like Facebook Twitter and Facebook basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► then pop it all and then over time actually wind down and pretend there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► lot of people who look at it from a narrow perspective and say well Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► did it just right they captured every available cent and in the end though get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► Twitter in Twitter had a huge pop and they like older screwed up a level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► money on the table but I think if you actually look at it like Facebook was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► under a ton of pressure right after IPO and I think they were constrained like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► strategically like I i suspect that on Facebook should about ways for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► the mapping out but I think that one reason they didn't is they can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► justify spending over a billion dollars when they were under so much pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► examines the height of like Facebook is doomed mania with their stock dipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► like a third of what what did I filled out our half whatever whereas twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► twitter arguably has kind of been a disaster since they appealed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► almost everywhere earnings calls been been worse than the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► yet yes there's pressure and there's been a lot of talk about Costello and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► stuff like that this year particular but I don't think it's been nearly to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► degree that it will probably deserves to be perfectly honest I think part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► is because the stock is still up from the IPO like that it it weakens are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► work out yet the stocks down from its high but it's still higher than when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► IPO that I think that that that that matters it in if wears a Twitter was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► down like Facebook was down and had WAY worse fundamentals than Facebook ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► had been like this this guy would be falling to a much greater degree than it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► is right now in and there's also something like the incalculable part is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:44 ◼ ► the PR value of an IPO that pops as you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3164">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► absolutely like net net netscape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► maybe the canonical example I don't know but it gave this sense that netscape was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3174">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► the future that however much money left on the table because the IPO popped on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► day one was worth I don't know I think tens of millions of dollars in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► perception of you know holy shit there's a new tech industry Titan in town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► absolutely and there's room for hiring a marriage for morale and it matters for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► like you know me the stock market a lot of it is about perception and it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► popping is like oh my god everybody else thinks this company is going to kick ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► right in that sticks with you like it matters win like it did the bad news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► doesn't matter the way people perceive the bad news is what matters and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► people come out with the assumption that this is a valuable company people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► excited about all that's ok though they'll get over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► whereas if it's at this company man runs down in peace bad news comes as a call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► man this is terrible and like I said that you saw that with Facebook which in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3235">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► retrospect we was ridiculous you know now that now the stock is is well up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► from its IPO stage but it took it took a lot longer than it should have forgotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► the the perception of Facebook to change in arguing I think even in the value I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► feel like Facebook is is still seriously under appreciated for what a force it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► not just not just as as a service in a nap but as a financial as a business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► yeah I agree with them and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► it's funny cause as complicated as Facebook itself as a product is in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► opinion it's a pretty simple story financially it's you know they sell out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► ads in the feed and make people pay to get placement and because everybody uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► it it's worth it and therefore you know the money is growing whereas twitter is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3294">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► a much simpler product and any kind of argument they try to make as to how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► gonna make money is my eyes roll back in my head and I fall asleep cause I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► understand that there is something to that and I think the the the Facebook ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► unit is like the best ad unit in in like intact I mean it's like people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► working at that feed multiple times a day every day more and more and in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► Facebook ad takes over your entire screen it might only be for a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► seconds but for a few seconds like your entire screen is filled with an ad which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:34 ◼ ► on the web was never the case like the ads rose off to the side of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3334">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► accompanying stuff and so they are easy to their much easier to to ignore and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► it's super compelling what things are those you safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► you say Twitter simple I was wonder if this is a like we talked about with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► we're used to it and it it feels simple 140 characters seem simple but then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► start trying to explain to people like oh don't start with a net mention or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► some people still use or to your empty I guess all these kind of conventions that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► actually understood is pretty complicated and and there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► stuff like I think the last really smart think Twitter did from a product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► perspective was the native retweet because that did simplified a convention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► in there so much other stuff that's craft that's risen up like these multi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► tweets are the tweet storms and I call this an attaching photos 22 an image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► like it that the company FM it's so frustrating because they're doing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► the stuff in there buying these things in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► we're going to developer tools and all this sort of crap when it's like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► so much low-hanging fruit from a product perspective and from an onboarding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► perspective which is still a disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► yeah I know you mean it's it's it comes i think you can come across the country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► and my eyes as very jargonese computer jargon me with all the Artis and empties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► and honestly even I think people get that username and it's certainly one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3416">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► them i think is the most powerful asset Twitter has I really do is the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► when you turn on TV doesn't matter whether it's politics or supports its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► like the people who are on TV they tell you their name and they tell you their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► twitter handles and people get that and that is super valuable but I think in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► combined that with hashtags in it to me the whole thing comes across the looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► very jargonese we could do the whole show on my feelings on hashtags but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► know I realize they've taken off and I realize that people somewhat get them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► the regular people do use them but I do feel that it contributes to a visual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► jargon enos when you especially for new users with you you know you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► stuff only see all these weird punctuation characters in and starts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► look like programming code and the weird shorthand I Guardian emptied yeah now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► think I think we might help to relieve every time the show but I'm still I i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3475">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► still like there now they're messing with the time I like there's a while you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► were gone and stuff I honestly think like the timeline is such at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► is so much craft associated with it it's fantastic for all of us we are familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► with Twitter and used to it but it's pretty intimidating for a new user and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► i wish they would embrace lists and like have channels in the wake news will come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► under the World Cup in dip into the World Cup channel without having to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► you wanna wake what's you don't want to follow people in the world cup every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► of the year you just wanted and there's no dip in and about experience for new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► yeah I think and I think it kind of gets into some of the stuff that dreams has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► was writing about talking about in the last couple of weeks you know with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:49 ◼ ► whole when when Instagram past Twitter in terms of forget the metric monthly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3529">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► average user active users and he was like I don't give a shit how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► monthly active users Instagram as you know and he has great argument and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► on the line can be taken out of context and make it look like he's arrogant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► whatever and you read as his essay on it on medium and unsurprisingly 47 wins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► very very thoughtful and he's right and it's you know when there's no Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► has important uses that you just could never do on an instrument like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► there where the uprising in Egypt and stuff like that and people used hashtags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► to get the news out and it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► breaking news and stuff like that happens in a way on Twitter that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► is no equivalent on any other service the stuff in Ferguson's the st. Louis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► demonstrations and stuff like that all had a part on Twitter I mean I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► that dudes twitter is central to the way that the protesters have organized for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:59 ◼ ► meanders it's just unique but I feel like the thing that twitter twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3599">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► though you know having dreams doesn't want it anymore and I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► problem is that Twitter has got a leadership level gotten caught up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► that sort of Facebook ask monthly average users as an important metric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► which is tied them up because I feel like what Twitter is natural places for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► most people is far more about consumption that about actually tweeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► whereas Facebook is all about everybody sharing all of their stuff with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► people you know with their friends and family and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► whereas I think the problem is what am I supposed to tweet maybe you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► supposed to tweet anything maybe you're just supposed to you know like you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► get on a list or follow a hashtag for the World Cup or for your favorite team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► or for some sort of news event they are interested in and just follow along and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► you know maybe it's like a hobby that you want to follow all the time or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► it's just i just want to follow the Super Bowl in till next Monday I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► want to contribute anything you're not tweeting you're just following along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► know what I said when that happened in scrambling like my take was like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:10 ◼ ► really sad that we didn't buy Instagram mainly because if they had Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3670">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► would make all the money in Twitter could just be Twitter yeah it's a race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► around was gonna make billions of dollars I mean it it's it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► facebook but even better where you're going to scroll through your photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► there's going to be ads in there and you're gonna do anyway because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► addicted to it and it and it if it's such it's so it's so obvious and Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► I'm surprised we don't see more ads and Internet I don't know if I've ever seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► one they know that they announced it in another day had some demo versions over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► but I still like I check it almost everyday and i cant remember seeing an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► ad industry know if there is still likely in very limited sort of trial as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:54 ◼ ► well as things were Facebook doesn't need to like Facebook is making so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3714">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► money right now that they can I mean they can spend billions of dollars on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► whatever they want to and and not monetize its think it's it's smart not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► just from me they want to do it the right way but it's smart from me they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► can always turn that faucet on if they need to all and end like what's the rush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► the stock market was down there flying high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► they they have like pretty much there as independent as an independent company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► can be for the most part I mean just Romney won the soccer balls them into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► our controls everything anyway so from that perspective you know what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► what's the rush and the gist of it as I you know I don't agree with you I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► just cause I feel like a way to do it is a you know the old slowly boiled frog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► you know starting slow and then slowly dial it up to where you want it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► but you gotta start at some point yeah which they have but I think they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► going slower than they need to just because they can you see Tim quick Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► Cook tweeted congratulations on the box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► yeah surprising and I take note of that you know and my cuz Tim Cook tweets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► almost dead certain that it actually him doing the tweeting but he doesn't treat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► very often right and so it's usually worth noting and I know he tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► earlier in the week or I guess it's almost a week ago now for Martin Luther [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► King Day holiday here in the USA and he's repeatedly and you know it did this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/3814">TS</a>]
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01:31:33 ◼ ► then be distributed to pay for the mechanics of the law and his explanation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/5493">TS</a>]
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01:31:55 ◼ ► taken by Republicans as an insult that he was that it was passed under false [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/5515">TS</a>]
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01:32:09 ◼ ► lot of them to be needed a driver at Gruber was that they would like even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/5529">TS</a>]
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01:33:23 ◼ ► back totally honest it's like did you you know what were you thinking you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► you thinking that I would see this when you wrote you know what goes through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/5606">TS</a>]
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01:33:35 ◼ ► Jonathan Gruber was going to read that and perhaps feel bad about himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/5615">TS</a>]
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01:34:05 ◼ ► only spew out on Twitter and there were a few people who I tweet that told some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/5645">TS</a>]
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01:35:05 ◼ ► ended with me but they they they clarify they they unified on Jonathan Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/5705">TS</a>]
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01:36:14 ◼ ► was that according to mark Gurman an unnamed source at Apple that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/5774">TS</a>]
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01:54:12 ◼ ► from home but the iPhone 6 my favorite feature even more than than having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► larger screen is that I never were better life anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:21 ◼ ► again like I i plug in more than most people and I've heard from people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6861">TS</a>]
01:54:27 ◼ ► yeah it's still not good enough but for me anyway like it it's it's crossed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6867">TS</a>]
01:54:31 ◼ ► line compared to the 5s which if I was always worried about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6871">TS</a>]
01:54:36 ◼ ► yeah now I'm going to Disney World's good test for me because it used used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6876">TS</a>]
01:54:41 ◼ ► reach you know I'd need my movie to get through a day and I don't anymore or any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6881">TS</a>]
01:54:47 ◼ ► kind of travel day any kind of day where are you know in an airport and going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6887">TS</a>]
01:54:51 ◼ ► somewhere in doing all of my computing from the phone always you still need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6891">TS</a>]
01:54:55 ◼ ► movie night don't generally anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6895">TS</a>]
01:54:59 ◼ ► is mark fuhrman's reporting 2.5 24 hours of active application use of that seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6899">TS</a>]
01:55:06 ◼ ► pretty good to me I mean I yeah I think that's all it's interesting because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6906">TS</a>]
01:55:11 ◼ ► sure that those you know he's got great sources and I'm sure they're real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6911">TS</a>]
01:55:14 ◼ ► numbers but I i feel like it's hard to think about that as a user because from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6914">TS</a>]
01:55:19 ◼ ► a user's perspective you're not going to think about stuff like that and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6919">TS</a>]
01:55:22 ◼ ► particular the other when you called I agree I think that's actually pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6922">TS</a>]
01:55:24 ◼ ► good considering how I think we'll be using these things the other one was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6924">TS</a>]
01:55:30 ◼ ► time telling and the time telling as I understand it i've heard from people is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6930">TS</a>]
01:55:34 ◼ ► so the watches office the time or the faces off right and it has to be because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6934">TS</a>]
01:55:41 ◼ ► it's you know we don't know yet whether its older LCD I think it might be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6941">TS</a>]
01:55:46 ◼ ► kind of older though because they are using black as the background instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6946">TS</a>]
01:55:50 ◼ ► white but regardless of any kind of color screen like that whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6950">TS</a>]
01:55:56 ◼ ► technologies you know the the biggest power have a new device so it offers the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6956">TS</a>]
01:56:04 ◼ ► time my understanding is that they've put like inordinate like a huge chunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6964">TS</a>]
01:56:11 ◼ ► the whole three year-long effort there have been teams devoted to it that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6971">TS</a>]
01:56:16 ◼ ► 18 devoted to it is that when you twist your arm wrist to look at the time it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6976">TS</a>]
01:56:21 ◼ ► already you know it turns on the detection of this is the type of motion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6981">TS</a>]
01:56:28 ◼ ► is like an A one priority for the thing and that apparently it works really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6988">TS</a>]
01:56:33 ◼ ► already works really really well it's very very smart about turning on when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6993">TS</a>]
01:56:39 ◼ ► you want to look at it but then when you turn your respect it goes off so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/6999">TS</a>]
01:56:45 ◼ ► forgot how long it's like three hours ago white last three hours of continuous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7005">TS</a>]
01:56:49 ◼ ► telling the time or something like that and the other thing with the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7009">TS</a>]
01:56:53 ◼ ► with that is I think this is the one thing that really kinda tracks from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7013">TS</a>]
01:56:56 ◼ ► watches fashion accessory thing because the guy in the face of a watch is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7016">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► super important to its being a fashion accessories like you they can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:10 ◼ ► beautiful bands they can have a beautiful case but if it's just a black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7030">TS</a>]
01:57:14 ◼ ► box it's then that there is an area where I believe if they were ever to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7034">TS</a>]
01:57:20 ◼ ► to a point where they could actually have those watch faces on all the time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7040">TS</a>]
01:57:24 ◼ ► think that would be a that would be a big deal just from from I mean if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7044">TS</a>]
01:57:31 ◼ ► could do it they weren't but they were using our pajamas podcasting what went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7051">TS</a>]
01:57:35 ◼ ► on the fashion experts but I do think the ad then that will be winning if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7055">TS</a>]
01:57:39 ◼ ► can get to that point I think that will be there will be a big deal right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7059">TS</a>]
01:57:43 ◼ ► it's definitely in this you know you know their Apple clearly is going way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7063">TS</a>]
01:57:48 ◼ ► more as this is a watch watch and we're you know we're going right up against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7068">TS</a>]
01:57:52 ◼ ► any watch brand you want than anybody else that the SmartWatch game but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7072">TS</a>]
01:57:56 ◼ ► clearly one of the areas where they just can't compete is the fact like you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7076">TS</a>]
01:58:00 ◼ ► that the faces black you know and and whatever choice you make in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7080">TS</a>]
01:58:03 ◼ ► which style of of the many that they offer from fruit for your watchtower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7083">TS</a>]
01:58:09 ◼ ► has no bearing on what other people see when they see it on your right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7089">TS</a>]
01:58:14 ◼ ► the guy across from you in the aisle on the train is not moving his wrister [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7094">TS</a>]
01:58:18 ◼ ► checking the time are you see as a as an Apple ID you have no idea what face is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7098">TS</a>]
01:58:23 ◼ ► that says that that's definitely a factor there's it's there's no getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7103">TS</a>]
01:58:27 ◼ ► around what's interesting is it least four at the beginning before they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7107">TS</a>]
01:58:32 ◼ ► obviously Apple would like them to be as widespread as phones but if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7112">TS</a>]
01:58:37 ◼ ► back when the phone iPhone first came out like it was it said something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7117">TS</a>]
01:58:42 ◼ ► you had an iPhone it was it was obvious that you had one in there weren't very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7122">TS</a>]
01:58:46 ◼ ► many people that had one and so it's almost like it's not that big a deal at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7126">TS</a>]
01:58:50 ◼ ► the beginning because just seeing that that black square will be meaningful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7130">TS</a>]
01:58:55 ◼ ► enough whereas once in in ideally once they get to the point if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7135">TS</a>]
01:59:01 ◼ ► successful and they become ubiquitous that by that point the power management [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7141">TS</a>]
01:59:05 ◼ ► will also be the point where they can be fully customized in on all the time in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7145">TS</a>]
01:59:11 ◼ ► end or fulfill that kinda like personal personalized fashion bangle yeah yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7151">TS</a>]
01:59:20 ◼ ► read it some time how much you can tell the time but how much how long screen so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7160">TS</a>]
01:59:25 ◼ ► it can be on for three hours that's sounds pretty good because it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7165">TS</a>]
01:59:30 ◼ ► seem to me like you would it doesn't seem like how could you spent 13 hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7170">TS</a>]
01:59:33 ◼ ► looking at the little things right exactly how you if you're if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7173">TS</a>]
01:59:38 ◼ ► gonna be interacting with them that long you might as well take your phone right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7178">TS</a>]
01:59:42 ◼ ► three thousand users but I wonder how many separate seems like a lot but again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7182">TS</a>]
01:59:52 ◼ ► a lot for it not to athlete but on the other hand maybe it's a lot easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7192">TS</a>]
01:59:57 ◼ ► conceal will be interesting and it soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7197">TS</a>]
02:00:02 ◼ ► yeah yeah what do you think that government said that still on pace to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7202">TS</a>]
02:00:09 ◼ ► ship at the end of March I i seemed seems reasonable I i suspect they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7209">TS</a>]
02:00:14 ◼ ► shooting for February you know just made for the Chinese market might change your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7214">TS</a>]
02:00:20 ◼ ► super late this year people get cash for Chinese New Year but so I if it's with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7220">TS</a>]
02:00:27 ◼ ► well it's super this would include make it but still it's still early in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7227">TS</a>]
02:00:32 ◼ ► year you I I don't think I would I would of course you know mark fuhrman is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7232">TS</a>]
02:00:39 ◼ ► number one in pointing out that simple products released throughout 2014 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7239">TS</a>]
02:00:43 ◼ ► they didn't really say anything to the second half of the year but that said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7243">TS</a>]
02:00:46 ◼ ► think that he won't drop a date lately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7246">TS</a>]
02:00:50 ◼ ► yeah I don't know I'm starting March is impressive it ships by March because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7250">TS</a>]
02:00:55 ◼ ► know my impression from you people I secondhand all second him know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7255">TS</a>]
02:00:59 ◼ ► first-hand information is wearing one but second information you know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7259">TS</a>]
02:01:03 ◼ ► who are aware is that still buggy enough and have enough battery life in March [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7263">TS</a>]
02:01:08 ◼ ► would be an achievement because you know if it's too buggy into the battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7268">TS</a>]
02:01:15 ◼ ► is too bad there's no its not gonna come out in March [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7275">TS</a>]
02:01:17 ◼ ► you know there they have the wiggle room to push it until april and May are even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7277">TS</a>]
02:01:23 ◼ ► June June I'll give you know people will roll their eyes because it's about as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7283">TS</a>]
02:01:28 ◼ ► late as early 2015 can be but you know they have that we're going to be any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7288">TS</a>]
02:01:34 ◼ ► different impressions matter right it would be better to have people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7294">TS</a>]
02:01:37 ◼ ► complaining that june is pretty damn late for early to that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7297">TS</a>]
02:01:42 ◼ ► quote-unquote early 2015 then to ship in March just to hit the first quarter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7302">TS</a>]
02:01:48 ◼ ► you know how to be riddled with bugs are not make it through the day when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7308">TS</a>]
02:01:55 ◼ ► think you so i cant I made a note here when you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7315">TS</a>]
02:01:59 ◼ ► can't talk about the fire phone without talking about Austin cars it's not new I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7319">TS</a>]
02:02:04 ◼ ► sometime in the last month his fast company piece on the making fire from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7324">TS</a>]
02:02:09 ◼ ► Shirley ready I was glad in it that's right that's right that's right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7329">TS</a>]
02:02:14 ◼ ► remember that it's actually one of the things that should have been on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7334">TS</a>]
02:02:18 ◼ ► this week actually remember that it wasn't I thought it was a tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7338">TS</a>]
02:02:22 ◼ ► piece of retaliation he talked to a lot of people are mean and got you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7342">TS</a>]
02:02:26 ◼ ► lot of inside people at 1:26 that was definitely very compelling and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7346">TS</a>]
02:02:31 ◼ ► have already shared a link in the show's accidentally during gonna be linked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7351">TS</a>]
02:02:36 ◼ ► during variable in between us recording and and the show airing it up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7356">TS</a>]
02:02:41 ◼ ► shuttle to but it's just a tremendous piece of reporting in rather scathing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7361">TS</a>]
02:02:45 ◼ ► it's interesting because the one he talked about exams in not being focused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7365">TS</a>]
02:02:53 ◼ ► and that's a common critique that in the Apple family how about Amazon but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7373">TS</a>]
02:02:59 ◼ ► actually when I told them this I talked to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7379">TS</a>]
02:03:02 ◼ ► Amazon's at that can accompany like Amazon is in many respects the anti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7382">TS</a>]
02:03:08 ◼ ► Apple or the bizarro apple and like the the way the company works internally is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7388">TS</a>]
02:03:13 ◼ ► it's a lot of companies some of the more mature companies that throw off cash and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7393">TS</a>]
02:03:18 ◼ ► some of them are start-ups that devour cash and because they're all under one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7398">TS</a>]
02:03:22 ◼ ► roof that money can be funneled from the ones doing off but he doesn't need it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7402">TS</a>]
02:03:27 ◼ ► and and insulted there are lots of groups that that that kind of stuff do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7407">TS</a>]
02:03:31 ◼ ► you want to hazard a comet's like one website but actually like there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7411">TS</a>]
02:03:35 ◼ ► clothing section in there is the car section and all these are within Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7415">TS</a>]
02:03:41 ◼ ► completely separate groups and they have their own their own procuring managers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7421">TS</a>]
02:03:45 ◼ ► at their own marketing managers they have their own their own PL's it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7425">TS</a>]
02:03:51 ◼ ► it's the exact opposite structure from the way Apple is set up and in its meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7431">TS</a>]
02:03:57 ◼ ► to almost be like a self in computer in a lot of ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7437">TS</a>]
02:04:00 ◼ ► and so from that perspective to say that Amazon's doing this like the phone can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7440">TS</a>]
02:04:06 ◼ ► fit in that and actually almost if you look at this way and that if you accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7446">TS</a>]
02:04:10 ◼ ► that this is the way Amazon is going to operate my critique of the phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7450">TS</a>]
02:04:15 ◼ ► what I took away from the reporting is that Jeff Bezos in particular was too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7455">TS</a>]
02:04:20 ◼ ► focused on the phone and like heeey got too obsessed with it and then when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7460">TS</a>]
02:04:26 ◼ ► kind of breed and go through a natural sort of like startup process and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7466">TS</a>]
02:04:32 ◼ ► more than anything was was in he's got a blind spot about white the viability of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7472">TS</a>]
02:04:37 ◼ ► this product which which I mean everyone was kinda knew was a lot of us are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7477">TS</a>]
02:04:43 ◼ ► saying there is no point to add for the council was announced it was like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7483">TS</a>]
02:04:46 ◼ ► you know what this makes no sense it's it's a cautionary tale I i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7486">TS</a>]
02:04:53 ◼ ► you get so wrapped up in something you you lose all perspective that get back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7493">TS</a>]
02:04:58 ◼ ► to my argument earlier in the show with forestall and the ability to look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7498">TS</a>]
02:05:03 ◼ ► like an interface and say you know what we put a lot of friends but this is crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7503">TS</a>]
02:05:08 ◼ ► we need to scrap this right you get too close to it and you lose ya ass to meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7508">TS</a>]
02:05:13 ◼ ► the same type of thing that you can I can see how it happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7513">TS</a>]
02:05:17 ◼ ► you know because I know that's just human nature but I mean the just the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7517">TS</a>]
02:05:20 ◼ ► is that all this emphasis and it came from users directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7520">TS</a>]
02:05:25 ◼ ► was on this 3d whatever they call it you know the camera centers on the front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7525">TS</a>]
02:05:29 ◼ ► me a face to face that you don't need glasses for on the screen and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7529">TS</a>]
02:05:37 ◼ ► the on within the team there was some you know it's a neat trick it's a neat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7537">TS</a>]
02:05:43 ◼ ► idea but what in the world is a selling point what is the actual purpose of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7543">TS</a>]
02:05:47 ◼ ► and yet we just got hung up on it and thought it would be the selling point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7547">TS</a>]
02:05:53 ◼ ► and it certainly was the initial marketing marketing was all about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7553">TS</a>]
02:05:58 ◼ ► and then in reality it turned out exactly what the naysayers on the team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7558">TS</a>]
02:06:02 ◼ ► at thought which is nobody sees the point of it yeah that's that's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7562">TS</a>]
02:06:05 ◼ ► differentiation is not just having a unique feature it's actually making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7565">TS</a>]
02:06:10 ◼ ► difference in customers lives in the way that another product cannot write it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7570">TS</a>]
02:06:15 ◼ ► actually isn't didn't make it a better device and that's the whole problem and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7575">TS</a>]
02:06:20 ◼ ► yet it also made it something that was expensive cuz it was a high-end phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7580">TS</a>]
02:06:26 ◼ ► was a premium fun you know there and I this is the part where I disagree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7586">TS</a>]
02:06:29 ◼ ► cars announces the reporting is interesting that there was that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7589">TS</a>]
02:06:32 ◼ ► were people within the team who said all along I don't see the point of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7592">TS</a>]
02:06:36 ◼ ► that's it's you know it's pure gimmickry and no utility and they were right in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7596">TS</a>]
02:06:44 ◼ ► the end without it the fire from was left with nothing compelling because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7604">TS</a>]
02:06:47 ◼ ► other stuff that has none of it was best of breed doesn't have the best apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7607">TS</a>]
02:06:52 ◼ ► you know there is nothing else about the device that was that was worth hang your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7612">TS</a>]
02:06:56 ◼ ► hat on the only thing they had to hang their hat on was the 3d effect in the 3d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7616">TS</a>]
02:07:00 ◼ ► effect was pointless but business was all caught up in it for you saw that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7620">TS</a>]
02:07:06 ◼ ► the keynote to like the keynote was so long and it was so self-absorbed icy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7626">TS</a>]
02:07:11 ◼ ► roads at the time like I thought I found the key not very distressing not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7631">TS</a>]
02:07:16 ◼ ► just because it was it was it wreaked of hubris and and basically this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7636">TS</a>]
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02:07:28 ◼ ► on where i disagree and the articles several times touches on it and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7648">TS</a>]
02:07:32 ◼ ► you can kind of see cargoes along with his sources saying it too so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7652">TS</a>]
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02:07:41 ◼ ► high-end phone from Amazon is contrary to the Brandon doomed from the start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7661">TS</a>]
02:07:46 ◼ ► that this idea that they can make a phone to compete with Apple is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7666">TS</a>]
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02:07:53 ◼ ► low and prices and so of Amazon wanted it or phone it should have been some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7673">TS</a>]
02:07:56 ◼ ► piece of junk that was super cheap and I disagree with that i disagree entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7676">TS</a>]
02:08:02 ◼ ► because I mean what was the one quote there there is a branding issues you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7682">TS</a>]
02:08:08 ◼ ► know is the quote from one of the sources that he had i really disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7688">TS</a>]
02:08:12 ◼ ► with that and I just to me it's a it's to me it's a fundamental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7692">TS</a>]
02:08:16 ◼ ► misunderstanding about branding and marketing about to me bernie marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7696">TS</a>]
02:08:21 ◼ ► eventually from the actual quality of the products or services wherever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7701">TS</a>]
02:08:25 ◼ ► themselves and so short it is a little bit outside of Amazon's expected brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7705">TS</a>]
02:08:31 ◼ ► to ship a high-end you know phone they compete with the iPhone quality and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7711">TS</a>]
02:08:37 ◼ ► maybe some people would have gotten it right away but the problem isn't that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7717">TS</a>]
02:08:41 ◼ ► that the fire phone was outside Amazon's braniff problem is the fire phone was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7721">TS</a>]
02:08:45 ◼ ► crappy phone and so therefore it's not it's the product it all comes from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7725">TS</a>]
02:08:50 ◼ ► private product was piece of crap that no one wanted to buy it was poorly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7730">TS</a>]
02:08:53 ◼ ► reviewed if it actually had been a really good phone if it had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7733">TS</a>]
02:08:57 ◼ ► something that was compelling it may not have been a smash hit right away but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7737">TS</a>]
02:09:01 ◼ ► least would have fit with the brand they were trying to do and then they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7741">TS</a>]
02:09:04 ◼ ► generate for two or three years and eventually it might catch on but it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7744">TS</a>]
02:09:07 ◼ ► comes from the product itself had to be a good thing not I i i think i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7747">TS</a>]
02:09:12 ◼ ► thats right and the other thing too is if you step back and look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7752">TS</a>]
02:09:16 ◼ ► e-commerce market Amazon is a high-end brand hinder a high-end brand because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7756">TS</a>]
02:09:22 ◼ ► their number one proposition is selection and convenience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7762">TS</a>]
02:09:25 ◼ ► yes they push price but you see a brand like jet dot com is like the former [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7765">TS</a>]
02:09:30 ◼ ► deborah's dot com CEOs like watching a new things like a Costco model basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7770">TS</a>]
02:09:34 ◼ ► where you pay a membership fee and then they they will give you that their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7774">TS</a>]
02:09:39 ◼ ► margin effectively end all these rules is convoluted it takes longer to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7779">TS</a>]
02:09:44 ◼ ► your stuff in there is all weird ways to get discount he's a debit card is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7784">TS</a>]
02:09:48 ◼ ► cheaper it's a pain in the ass in it sounds awful to me like I would not want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7788">TS</a>]
02:09:52 ◼ ► but I'm the sort of person that is willing to pay for convenience for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7792">TS</a>]
02:09:58 ◼ ► guaranteed delivery for going to one place and you when I want to I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7798">TS</a>]
02:10:01 ◼ ► want to price compare I don't want to like jump through hoops to lower price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7801">TS</a>]
02:10:04 ◼ ► but there are people who do and and I don't think Amazon ultimately when push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7804">TS</a>]
02:10:10 ◼ ► comes to solve I I think they will prove out to be more of a high-end after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7810">TS</a>]
02:10:17 ◼ ► another another ensuring you can receptors is wish wishes bill mobile app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7817">TS</a>]
02:10:20 ◼ ► for you you can basically buy stuff from China and it's really cheap and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7820">TS</a>]
02:10:26 ◼ ► nice it's crap in his own as it takes like two weeks to arrive in that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7826">TS</a>]
02:10:30 ◼ ► doesn't arrive but it's super cheap and it's like interesting stuff and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7830">TS</a>]
02:10:34 ◼ ► exploding and it's a very different proposition than Amazon and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7834">TS</a>]
02:10:39 ◼ ► you'll look back at the e-commerce industry as a whole it out and actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7839">TS</a>]
02:10:43 ◼ ► is gonna be I was primarily in rich countries and its use I think primarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7843">TS</a>]
02:10:48 ◼ ► by relatively rich people and so not only are you write that the phone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7848">TS</a>]
02:10:52 ◼ ► crap now is the biggest problem and if they made a good phone it would accrue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7852">TS</a>]
02:10:55 ◼ ► to their brand but actually think the the characterization of the brand was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7855">TS</a>]
02:10:58 ◼ ► wrong as well yeah I kind of do I kind of agree with that too you know and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7858">TS</a>]
02:11:04 ◼ ► think it specially when you're getting into a new initiative you've kind of got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7864">TS</a>]
02:11:07 ◼ ► a blank slate in terms of establishing the brand right I mean like thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7867">TS</a>]
02:11:12 ◼ ► the Kindle which you said was you know I hit right from the start work again as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7872">TS</a>]
02:11:17 ◼ ► wasn't known for making their own products at all period that never done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7877">TS</a>]
02:11:21 ◼ ► it before they do is the first gadget they made and you know they define the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7881">TS</a>]
02:11:27 ◼ ► brand by the fact that it was a product that made people who were voracious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7887">TS</a>]
02:11:31 ◼ ► readers very happy right it's the Kindle is at least as an e-reader is I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7891">TS</a>]
02:11:37 ◼ ► very well perceived brandon is you know sits atop the e-reader market I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7897">TS</a>]
02:11:43 ◼ ► have all sorts of little niggling complaints complaints about the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7903">TS</a>]
02:11:46 ◼ ► of the devices God Almighty I love I would love to see Apple Amazon poach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7906">TS</a>]
02:11:52 ◼ ► some Apple engineers and let them have that the Kindle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7912">TS</a>]
02:11:56 ◼ ► hardware for a year or two but overall it's you know I admit them all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7916">TS</a>]
02:12:03 ◼ ► complaints are more or less niggling and that the basic gist of this magic box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7923">TS</a>]
02:12:08 ◼ ► that you can just reading reading reading read forever and when you get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7928">TS</a>]
02:12:11 ◼ ► the end of the book your fifteen seconds away from another book on it it all just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7931">TS</a>]
02:12:17 ◼ ► worked in the brand for the Kindle Amazon's brainless before the brand for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7937">TS</a>]
02:12:23 ◼ ► Kindle is defined by the experience of using it can you know and that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7943">TS</a>]
02:12:26 ◼ ► it's a good brand and if the phone had actually been compelling in some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7946">TS</a>]
02:12:30 ◼ ► profound way then the fire phone would have had a good brand and again it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7950">TS</a>]
02:12:34 ◼ ► take years for it to really catch on traction is weird you know is a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7954">TS</a>]
02:12:40 ◼ ► thing but I really don't think that you know that the brand is defined by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7960">TS</a>]
02:12:48 ◼ ► products it's not the other way around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7968">TS</a>]
02:12:50 ◼ ► is the thing is like the the the era of differentiating on the OS layer is over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7970">TS</a>]
02:12:57 ◼ ► its iOS and Android like thats and and the thing is like Amazon has lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7977">TS</a>]
02:13:03 ◼ ► pieces to do interesting to do interesting stuff you know I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7983">TS</a>]
02:13:10 ◼ ► fire like the most compelling thing in a presentation was like the Firefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7990">TS</a>]
02:13:14 ◼ ► application where identify staff and you could put your card you could buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7994">TS</a>]
02:13:17 ◼ ► whatever like in in that that that fit Amazon I think I was on you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/7997">TS</a>]
02:13:23 ◼ ► the whole endeavor was was a bit misguided they would have been better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8003">TS</a>]
02:13:29 ◼ ► off there would be better off focusing on the absent Alpine hours and ended but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8009">TS</a>]
02:13:34 ◼ ► if they if if they felt there was a way to go like that should have been the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8014">TS</a>]
02:13:38 ◼ ► central point in regions of his appointees because that's where Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8018">TS</a>]
02:13:42 ◼ ► can actually bring what they have to bear to create something truly unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8022">TS</a>]
02:13:47 ◼ ► so what do you think that you gonna do that's when they get out of the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8027">TS</a>]
02:13:52 ◼ ► articles what are they gonna do going forward and it's just such a disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8032">TS</a>]
02:13:55 ◼ ► that there did done making phone or they gonna stick with it into a fire from 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8035">TS</a>]
02:13:58 ◼ ► I'm honest I I thought that was the most surprising thing that he is so well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8038">TS</a>]
02:14:03 ◼ ► sourced to get the story they got but it doesn't have anything about what their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8043">TS</a>]
02:14:06 ◼ ► future plans I don't know it's a really interesting question I mean I mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8046">TS</a>]
02:14:11 ◼ ► was a huge flop I mean it was what was the I think of it they only sold like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8051">TS</a>]
02:14:16 ◼ ► 10,000 phones or something like that at least until they drastically cut the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8056">TS</a>]
02:14:21 ◼ ► yeah I mean a huge right off at 800 300 million euros confusing with the surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8061">TS</a>]
02:14:32 ◼ ► yeah something even so that's an awful at an awful lot I mean it was clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8072">TS</a>]
02:14:40 ◼ ► internally they had projections they were a liar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8080">TS</a>]
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02:14:50 ◼ ► rain so I don't know what do you think they're gonna do I honestly can't guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8090">TS</a>]
02:14:53 ◼ ► because it's their their two nations company and bassist strikes me as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8093">TS</a>]
02:15:00 ◼ ► somewhat stubborn but on the other hand man it was such a turn of a of a you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8100">TS</a>]
02:15:06 ◼ ► know market failure I i think that they III said I think that trying to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8106">TS</a>]
02:15:15 ◼ ► build out a a third platform is is a bad idea and it's really a second half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8115">TS</a>]
02:15:24 ◼ ► platform right I don't know doesn't make it any easier right it's like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8124">TS</a>]
02:15:29 ◼ ► Windows Phone which is trying to be at their platform and its all new UI all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8129">TS</a>]
02:15:33 ◼ ► new API's even in programming language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8133">TS</a>]
02:15:36 ◼ ► and Amazon found is certainly you know mostly Android right into the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8136">TS</a>]
02:15:42 ◼ ► language of these games and stuff like that I think you can pretty much just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8142">TS</a>]
02:15:47 ◼ ► submit to their store and they just run but still it's a location API call or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8147">TS</a>]
02:15:54 ◼ ► anything involving sari belies anything like that uses Google services you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8154">TS</a>]
02:15:59 ◼ ► to go in and change and it's it's in the grand scheme of things are simple change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8159">TS</a>]
02:16:03 ◼ ► but it gets back to life the convenience factor right you're like one developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8163">TS</a>]
02:16:08 ◼ ► has to actually do it and which they have other stuff to do and to have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8168">TS</a>]
02:16:15 ◼ ► supported and break that barrier in I got i've i've done developer working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8175">TS</a>]
02:16:21 ◼ ► with those of those little barriers that seemed especially disorder and create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8181">TS</a>]
02:16:27 ◼ ► new platform it's not that big a deal you only have to do acts it is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8187">TS</a>]
02:16:31 ◼ ► deal and it's a lot bigger deal than you appreciate is a bigger deal not just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8191">TS</a>]
02:16:35 ◼ ► the big guys that you talked to before the long tail of developers that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8195">TS</a>]
02:16:40 ◼ ► know that are out there you know if one other thing the other thing too is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8200">TS</a>]
02:16:44 ◼ ► strategically that's exactly where Google has sort of shored up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8204">TS</a>]
02:16:48 ◼ ► protected and you know not to get political but closed Android is by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8208">TS</a>]
02:16:52 ◼ ► putting more and more stuff in the Google service absolutely in lesson you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8212">TS</a>]
02:16:57 ◼ ► know an Ashley taking stuff out of the Android you know and departed called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8217">TS</a>]
02:17:03 ◼ ► Android is open in the part that's cool services is completely closed and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8223">TS</a>]
02:17:08 ◼ ► know even just little things like the way that they've stopped development of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8228">TS</a>]
02:17:11 ◼ ► the web browser on Android side and they've only officially now develop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8231">TS</a>]
02:17:15 ◼ ► crown but that part of Google services in israeli so because that that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8235">TS</a>]
02:17:22 ◼ ► bulwark like it is the App Store that prevents like they're being viable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8242">TS</a>]
02:17:29 ◼ ► alternatives you know with the exception of China which has the most web stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8249">TS</a>]
02:17:34 ◼ ► but thats that like that's that's now the expectation for customers in China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8254">TS</a>]
02:17:37 ◼ ► like you just go get different app stores and offices in the phone that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8257">TS</a>]
02:17:41 ◼ ► not the excitation anywhere else in the world and it's an expectation that is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8261">TS</a>]
02:17:45 ◼ ► cemented that I i generally believed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8265">TS</a>]
02:17:48 ◼ ► in alternative isn't it isn't isn't a viable isn't a viable think that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8268">TS</a>]
02:17:53 ◼ ► what's more compelling and interesting to me is is what's gonna be built on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8273">TS</a>]
02:17:58 ◼ ► of iOS or Android in and that's where I think Amazon should Amazon should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8278">TS</a>]
02:18:05 ◼ ► that's where their efforts should be focused on again this is balanced with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8285">TS</a>]
02:18:09 ◼ ► this is such a problem companies is is armed companies get so wrapped up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8289">TS</a>]
02:18:15 ◼ ► what way you can make a good argument strategically important 4 a.m. sunday on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8295">TS</a>]
02:18:22 ◼ ► their phone and it's really easy to just kind of ignore the part of like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8302">TS</a>]
02:18:26 ◼ ► actually happening it's like the question mark west-northwest profit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8306">TS</a>]
02:18:31 ◼ ► we have a platform like but but but with like windows or the Amazon deals winners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/8311">TS</a>]
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02:44:13 ◼ ► way that Microsoft is doing really great stuff in the cloud and I do think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9853">TS</a>]
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02:44:31 ◼ ► Android and I think Microsoft is making strong moves in that area yes it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9871">TS</a>]
02:44:37 ◼ ► have been a radical move would have loved to help powerful have been to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9877">TS</a>]
02:44:42 ◼ ► Microsoft just fully embraced the new we are the best PC operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9882">TS</a>]
02:44:48 ◼ ► screw the max with a Chromebook I mean I was we can disagree or you can disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9888">TS</a>]
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02:44:58 ◼ ► we work well with whatever device you bring along with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9898">TS</a>]
02:45:02 ◼ ► it especially with Windows Phone but whatever you know whatever you're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9902">TS</a>]
02:45:08 ◼ ► metal work great with yeah that's why I get Microsoft thing like we were like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9908">TS</a>]
02:45:14 ◼ ► you use a Windows it'll be the basket is true only if you if you get everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9914">TS</a>]
02:45:18 ◼ ► from one company to get a better experience but the promises just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9918">TS</a>]
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02:45:41 ◼ ► is their big 84 inch for KTV touchscreen white board meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9941">TS</a>]
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02:45:56 ◼ ► it wasn't distracting from the earlier message to me it emphasized the error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9956">TS</a>]
02:46:00 ◼ ► message which is that Windows 10 runs on everything from this hold up a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9960">TS</a>]
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02:46:10 ◼ ► compared to it Chinese Foreign Stevie and it was a cool surprise because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9970">TS</a>]
02:46:14 ◼ ► TV had been right there showing slides the whole presentation you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9974">TS</a>]
02:46:19 ◼ ► this thing that they were announcing which was a surprise was right there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9979">TS</a>]
02:46:23 ◼ ► front of everybody and it's time to the enterprise in like which is the part the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9983">TS</a>]
02:46:28 ◼ ► market they really needed to a show right and it's you know here's here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9988">TS</a>]
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02:46:38 ◼ ► didn't say anything like this Google doesn't have anything like this nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/9998">TS</a>]
02:46:41 ◼ ► has anything like this right this is a product that's not really like anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10001">TS</a>]
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02:47:08 ◼ ► and then end it right there because I think that the whole and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10028">TS</a>]
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02:47:14 ◼ ► it build and have cool fun thing you know maybe they've got something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10034">TS</a>]
02:47:19 ◼ ► for build too but I know save that for build and let the windows 10 event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10039">TS</a>]
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02:47:28 ◼ ► being one of those big companies we've got a lot of stuff coming out throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10048">TS</a>]
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02:47:43 ◼ ► ellen's gonna ship in a month or two months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10063">TS</a>]
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02:47:53 ◼ ► got to play with it all raved about the experience and so it doesn't seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10073">TS</a>]
02:47:57 ◼ ► there's any kind of its a real thing yeah yeah it's it's you know it's real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10077">TS</a>]
02:48:03 ◼ ► technology in every I didn't see a single person who tried it who didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10083">TS</a>]
02:48:07 ◼ ► give it a very positive response but it's clearly prototype hardware you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10087">TS</a>]
02:48:13 ◼ ► that the their promise shipping device is the thing with no cables just put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10093">TS</a>]
02:48:18 ◼ ► battery operated and you put it on your head and that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10098">TS</a>]
02:48:21 ◼ ► whereas the thing that they let people try involved I can battery pack on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10101">TS</a>]
02:48:27 ◼ ► waist and a cable connecting the battery pack to the thing on your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10107">TS</a>]
02:48:32 ◼ ► and they had to take physical measurements of the distance between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10112">TS</a>]
02:48:36 ◼ ► your pupils and then enter it by hand in the device whereas the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10116">TS</a>]
02:48:41 ◼ ► shipping product is supposed to be you know like if you've got one and I try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10121">TS</a>]
02:48:45 ◼ ► on its gonna the device itself will measure the pupil distance to calibrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10125">TS</a>]
02:48:49 ◼ ► itself it's all very that raises all sorts of reds are sorry I read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10129">TS</a>]
02:49:00 ◼ ► Harvard and it's sort of you know of course I'm gonna bring it back to Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10140">TS</a>]
02:49:05 ◼ ► but it's an interesting contrast with the watch where when they showed us the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10145">TS</a>]
02:49:09 ◼ ► watch back in October or September right September was launched it was i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10149">TS</a>]
02:49:20 ◼ ► didnt say its final hardware but it was as close to final you know I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10160">TS</a>]
02:49:25 ◼ ► there might be some tweaks or something like that but it was you know they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10165">TS</a>]
02:49:27 ◼ ► real things they let us analyze try my wrists and you know it's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10167">TS</a>]
02:49:33 ◼ ► materials that were stainless they they were told they were aluminum all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10173">TS</a>]
02:49:38 ◼ ► bands were there we got to play with the bands and they just didn't let us see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10178">TS</a>]
02:49:43 ◼ ► the software you know they just had the demo but the software but the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10183">TS</a>]
02:49:46 ◼ ► hardware was there I mean it's there's no trickery about it that's interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10186">TS</a>]
02:49:51 ◼ ► and worry about result that Microsoft had the software pretty nail down but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10191">TS</a>]
02:49:55 ◼ ► not the hardware well now but they didn't really it wasn't it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10195">TS</a>]
02:49:59 ◼ ► software was also a Kindle software they took people through I'll count you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10199">TS</a>]
02:50:03 ◼ ► everybody gotta say well I'm in in Canada Norway where it wasn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10203">TS</a>]
02:50:08 ◼ ► playing with the watch it really just playing a lute and there was no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10208">TS</a>]
02:50:11 ◼ ► interactivity at all whereas clearly this thing was actually I guess you move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10211">TS</a>]
02:50:15 ◼ ► your head was adjusting what you saw you know it was all but you know the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10215">TS</a>]
02:50:19 ◼ ► that you did work very very limited it was the everybody got the same minecraft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10219">TS</a>]
02:50:26 ◼ ► you know a Skype call to how to hook up which I was the most compelling yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10226">TS</a>]
02:50:33 ◼ ► that's really cool out there did the democratic you know in a product video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10233">TS</a>]
02:50:38 ◼ ► they showed somebody getting help doing some home plumbing repair in the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10238">TS</a>]
02:50:43 ◼ ► that they gave to the journalists it was a little bit of like it was a hooking up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10243">TS</a>]
02:50:46 ◼ ► a light switch little home electricity and the ideas they had an expert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10246">TS</a>]
02:50:49 ◼ ► electrician on the other end using Skype on a tablet who can see what you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10249">TS</a>]
02:50:53 ◼ ► through your Holland and then he could annotated with his finger on the tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10253">TS</a>]
02:51:01 ◼ ► by saying here take this cable here and then you know draw a line on it and look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10261">TS</a>]
02:51:06 ◼ ► this thing up to there and do that you know which isn't very compelling is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10266">TS</a>]
02:51:09 ◼ ► is compelling from a user perspective is compiled from a product perspective is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10269">TS</a>]
02:51:13 ◼ ► that they're not a platform where you could see there being all kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10273">TS</a>]
02:51:17 ◼ ► services being offered you know over this and it is the Apple like I think in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10277">TS</a>]
02:51:23 ◼ ► the long run I'm more interested in augment really them in virtual reality I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10283">TS</a>]
02:51:28 ◼ ► mean I could drift looks amazing but to me that's in the same vein as video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10288">TS</a>]
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02:51:40 ◼ ► industry you know like boris did you just put posted a point that that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10300">TS</a>]
02:51:46 ◼ ► App Store is now paying developers more than the box office receipts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10306">TS</a>]
02:51:51 ◼ ► hollywood combined in NUS and some people I lick yes some people in town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10311">TS</a>]
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02:52:01 ◼ ► anything in particular its just a just put it in context though you we've all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10321">TS</a>]
02:52:05 ◼ ► grown up knowing Hollywood Hollywood it's a big deal you know the Apple App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10325">TS</a>]
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02:52:21 ◼ ► in your actual real life and you can see why you like 10 years down the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10341">TS</a>]
02:52:25 ◼ ► where the what Microsoft is doing is actually like a normal pair of glasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10345">TS</a>]
02:52:31 ◼ ► glasses like the the the fundamental concept I don't think was flawed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10351">TS</a>]
02:52:37 ◼ ► just everything about the products accused was was horribly fired right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10357">TS</a>]
02:52:42 ◼ ► and a lot of the country feedback i've gotten this week you know it's like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10362">TS</a>]
02:52:49 ◼ ► can you how can you say that this looks cool and you're still no did nothing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10369">TS</a>]
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02:52:57 ◼ ► and I don't think anybody ever said that augmented reality is a goofy idea that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10377">TS</a>]
02:53:03 ◼ ► never gonna take off it was glass in particular everything about glass that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10383">TS</a>]
02:53:07 ◼ ► the actual nature of how it was presented in their their proposal how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10387">TS</a>]
02:53:10 ◼ ► you do to rate was was wrong not the idea that augmented reality in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10390">TS</a>]
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02:53:22 ◼ ► headsets like what you know colin is going to be when it ships I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10402">TS</a>]
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02:53:43 ◼ ► not something you would do while you know you know out in public but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10423">TS</a>]
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02:54:00 ◼ ► center of your existence was the PC that Israel hub and the iPad which you carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10440">TS</a>]
02:54:04 ◼ ► music with you yet from me like a hardware perspective the iPod very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10444">TS</a>]
02:54:11 ◼ ► what Apple learn miniaturization battery technology all that sort of stuff went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10451">TS</a>]
02:54:16 ◼ ► to the iPhone and I think it's a similar thing here right now he'll start out as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10456">TS</a>]
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02:55:04 ◼ ► responsibility hadn't got to try that on the whole ends at the Microsoft event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10504">TS</a>]
02:55:07 ◼ ► was wow this is so frustrating rightly get the whole and it was genuinely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10507">TS</a>]
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02:55:58 ◼ ► was compelling but no one no one's being attached to it and it's a hard thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10558">TS</a>]
02:56:03 ◼ ► know I know you're there I can see why they're excited about it I can see why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10563">TS</a>]
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02:56:15 ◼ ► know next week but you know just a little closer and they have an event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10575">TS</a>]
02:56:20 ◼ ► coming up their build coming up in just a few months and I you know I don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10580">TS</a>]
02:56:23 ◼ ► anything that would happen in the next few months that would have made it less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10583">TS</a>]
02:56:26 ◼ ► according to unveil their anything it'll be better diet I don't know what caused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10586">TS</a>]
02:56:33 ◼ ► it would only be you know further along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10593">TS</a>]
02:56:36 ◼ ► yeah I can't help but think that they really wasted an opportunity missed I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10596">TS</a>]
02:56:40 ◼ ► distracted from what the cool things they did have to announce and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10600">TS</a>]
02:56:46 ◼ ► unveiling israelis because it's almost like a lack of confidence right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10606">TS</a>]
02:56:51 ◼ ► they weren't they weren't covered in what they had to announce early third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10611">TS</a>]
02:56:56 ◼ ► their status as a company I guess I could see where that comes from I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10616">TS</a>]
02:57:00 ◼ ► but like they felt they needed to do sit up and they didn't need to write yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10620">TS</a>]
02:57:09 ◼ ► otherwise it was a pretty well run event that I do think that they're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10629">TS</a>]
02:57:13 ◼ ► their act together and after yeah I mean like like this are didn't like it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10633">TS</a>]
02:57:18 ◼ ► stupid but they started on time the presentation retired the demolition fail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10638">TS</a>]
02:57:22 ◼ ► like and that's that's that will that stuff matters and it wasn't the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10642">TS</a>]
02:57:29 ◼ ► even just a couple years yeah and it's you know I think that it's it's also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10649">TS</a>]
02:57:34 ◼ ► sign to me the whole event even with them in my mind in your mind the mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10654">TS</a>]
02:57:39 ◼ ► of tossing holland's into as unnecessary icing on the cake for distracting icing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10659">TS</a>]
02:57:46 ◼ ► even with it it still felt like overall like a new Microsoft which i think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10666">TS</a>]
02:57:52 ◼ ► they needed in B that Nutella needed you know to assert you know in a public way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10672">TS</a>]
02:57:57 ◼ ► to make it feel like you know he has changed in the course of this ship yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10677">TS</a>]
02:58:03 ◼ ► I love the frosting idea that there's that little was like this is really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10683">TS</a>]
02:58:07 ◼ ► frosting its rugged cake but these days should go together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10687">TS</a>]
02:58:10 ◼ ► yeah you know and I i would say making windows 10 free i mean they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10690">TS</a>]
02:58:18 ◼ ► calling it free for a free upgrade for anybody running Windows seven or eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10698">TS</a>]
02:58:21 ◼ ► for the first year I don't know why they tacked on that first year why not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10701">TS</a>]
02:58:25 ◼ ► say it's a free update for Windows seven re I guess the idea I only thing I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10705">TS</a>]
02:58:29 ◼ ► think of is that they don't want people to wait they want people running Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10709">TS</a>]
02:58:34 ◼ ► within the first year but it just seems like a weird like asterisk to put on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10714">TS</a>]
02:58:39 ◼ ► but the whole idea of him being freed seems like post Ballmer Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10719">TS</a>]
02:58:44 ◼ ► Windows it was free for the first three months if you have Windows seven I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10724">TS</a>]
02:58:50 ◼ ► believe so they did do it before and the reality is Microsoft makes the vast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10730">TS</a>]
02:58:54 ◼ ► majority of the revenue either from enterprise licensing or from new PC's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10734">TS</a>]
02:58:59 ◼ ► sold with Windows Phone only like 10% of revenue is ever come from people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10739">TS</a>]
02:59:03 ◼ ► actually paying for upgrades but that said it's still it still matters in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10743">TS</a>]
02:59:08 ◼ ► meeting for any other one year things such as that but also they basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10748">TS</a>]
02:59:12 ◼ ► said anyone who buys a Windows 10 PC will get upgrades for the like the wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10752">TS</a>]
02:59:17 ◼ ► of the the life of the expected life of the PC and it sounds like it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10757">TS</a>]
02:59:21 ◼ ► be more of it it really is more of a Apple sort of model late August 10 today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10761">TS</a>]
02:59:26 ◼ ► where you get it you're going to get upgrades in your not gonna pay pay for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10766">TS</a>]
02:59:30 ◼ ► the upgrades indeed that is a big deal to shift it it's a shift to this the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10770">TS</a>]
02:59:34 ◼ ► person being the center of sort of sort of mindset that that that is a bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10774">TS</a>]
02:59:40 ◼ ► shift from Microsoft than it is for Apple because it requires changing how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10780">TS</a>]
02:59:43 ◼ ► they make money in the end I kinda put an X on this week but I I think you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10783">TS</a>]
02:59:48 ◼ ► right it is it is it is worth it is worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10788">TS</a>]
02:59:52 ◼ ► technology I think it's also it's even more worth acknowledging in a way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10792">TS</a>]
02:59:56 ◼ ► like the bugs in software that we all been talking about this month or so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10796">TS</a>]
02:59:56 ◼ ► like the bugs in software that we all been talking about this month or so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10796">TS</a>]
03:00:00 ◼ ► it's easier to complain about then the things that they do that are just work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10800">TS</a>]
03:00:04 ◼ ► that are kind of amazing that they just work and you know it's easy to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10804">TS</a>]
03:00:10 ◼ ► those things for granted I think Microsoft case praised for hey here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10810">TS</a>]
03:00:14 ◼ ► Windows 10 it's a free update for Windows seven and eight users is worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10814">TS</a>]
03:00:17 ◼ ► raising even more so because of how complicated Windows pricing has been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10817">TS</a>]
03:00:21 ◼ ► the past you know with the PRO Edition Pro Enterprise Edition and you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10821">TS</a>]
03:00:28 ◼ ► different editions of the new version of Windows with you know it just boggles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10828">TS</a>]
03:00:33 ◼ ► the mind and I feel like just saying just windows 10 get a free update for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10833">TS</a>]
03:00:38 ◼ ► Windows seven days such a you know it's it's deserving of praise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10838">TS</a>]
03:00:42 ◼ ► if it is deserving of praise as their old strategy was deserving mockery yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10842">TS</a>]
03:00:48 ◼ ► it's always the Australian made a lot of money definitely did it and it was but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10848">TS</a>]
03:00:54 ◼ ► it was a salesperson strategy you know and I feel like it wasn't good for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10854">TS</a>]
03:00:59 ◼ ► in the long run it definitely made money you know there's no bottom line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10859">TS</a>]
03:01:04 ◼ ► any any discussion or complained about bombers leadership of Microsoft have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10864">TS</a>]
03:01:08 ◼ ► include the but money and ever-increasing amounts you know but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10868">TS</a>]
03:01:14 ◼ ► it having it making your product Lincoln unnecessarily confusing even if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10874">TS</a>]
03:01:19 ◼ ► profitable you know in the short term I think it's detrimental to your branding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10879">TS</a>]
03:01:25 ◼ ► in the long I would fascinate for me to watch Mexico in this is part of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10885">TS</a>]
03:01:30 ◼ ► it's actually sounds with Adobe adobe has fundamentally shifted how they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10890">TS</a>]
03:01:36 ◼ ► money from selling packaged software to selling software as a service basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10896">TS</a>]
03:01:42 ◼ ► and Microsoft is kind of going through the same transition and it's and it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10902">TS</a>]
03:01:49 ◼ ► said as an expert on this week liked the thing about Microsoft you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10909">TS</a>]
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03:01:57 ◼ ► the criticism against the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10917">TS</a>]
03:01:59 ◼ ► what they're going through is the price of being so absurdly successful yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10919">TS</a>]
03:02:04 ◼ ► like every every smidgen that Microsoft was less successful the easier the task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10924">TS</a>]
03:02:11 ◼ ► and and sell its like it's a testament to how successful they were that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10931">TS</a>]
03:02:18 ◼ ► having to go through such wrenching scenes is now and it's interesting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10938">TS</a>]
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03:02:31 ◼ ► think now I think there may have been a political model to it but it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10951">TS</a>]
03:02:36 ◼ ► remarkable deceive the shift in Microsoft in just the last year yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10956">TS</a>]
03:02:40 ◼ ► that's you know they they needed to move fast they said they're gonna move fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10960">TS</a>]
03:02:46 ◼ ► but you know actions speak louder than words and I think their actions back it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10966">TS</a>]
03:02:49 ◼ ► up so I think overall it was you know it was a very best event I think Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10969">TS</a>]
03:02:54 ◼ ► and while even though I think so could have easily been the better just by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10974">TS</a>]
03:02:58 ◼ ► holding all and yeah a little bit frustrating for them because like it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10978">TS</a>]
03:03:07 ◼ ► not like they it's not like it was bad just the wrong time wrong point last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10987">TS</a>]
03:03:11 ◼ ► question when do you think Holland is gonna ship actually ship as I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10991">TS</a>]
03:03:15 ◼ ► consumer spending you can just go online and buy and how much you think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10995">TS</a>]
03:03:18 ◼ ► going to cost I would guess late 2016 in limited supply it'll be hard to get an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/10998">TS</a>]
03:03:30 ◼ ► exotic with Windows 10th time frame and needs like it's like when Windows tens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11010">TS</a>]
03:03:34 ◼ ► like the product on the market now Quinn with us 10 ships before a Windows 11 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11014">TS</a>]
03:03:37 ◼ ► ships that's what I thought I interpreted right exactly exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11017">TS</a>]
03:03:40 ◼ ► although I do I do wonder if there will ever be winners 11 like when final are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11020">TS</a>]
03:04:00 ◼ ► I think 2016 I think if I wanted to actually have to be honest I have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11040">TS</a>]
03:04:06 ◼ ► like you probably second after 2016 I was gonna say a thousand dollars yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11046">TS</a>]
03:04:11 ◼ ► that's possible I have it was more a like are they going to actually try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11051">TS</a>]
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03:04:49 ◼ ► part of it is that they don't know because it's so far off but it it opened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11089">TS</a>]
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03:05:03 ◼ ► that's true I would refund if Apple you know oneself watch is really expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11103">TS</a>]
03:05:11 ◼ ► and if it is successful that will kind of a reset people's expectations there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11111">TS</a>]
03:05:18 ◼ ► a focus on being cheap Unitech press in particular and I think it's adding it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11118">TS</a>]
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03:05:43 ◼ ► people who don't want to have a hassle have actually never really but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11143">TS</a>]
03:05:46 ◼ ► acknowledged you price only viewed it as opposed to being a hassle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11146">TS</a>]
03:05:50 ◼ ► but now you have his but now they are buying the right smart phones anyway at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11150">TS</a>]
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03:06:01 ◼ ► technical Apple is particularly well-placed and it'll be interesting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11161">TS</a>]
03:06:05 ◼ ► see if if that ends up being is not just for Apple before other companies as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11165">TS</a>]
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03:06:21 ◼ ► whether you pay attention to you know like people like me and you who've tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11181">TS</a>]
03:06:26 ◼ ► to set the expectation that hey the gold one the addition is probably gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11186">TS</a>]
03:06:30 ◼ ► several thousand dollars at least even is gonna be so fun even if you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11190">TS</a>]
03:06:35 ◼ ► paying attention there's a lot of people who I know who do not believe us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11195">TS</a>]
03:06:41 ◼ ► are going to be disappointed if they were hoping to buy the gold one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11201">TS</a>]
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03:06:53 ◼ ► never read any sort of informed commentary on Apple but who are aware of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11213">TS</a>]
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03:07:07 ◼ ► no matter how bad their actions on that there still is an apple watch it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11227">TS</a>]
03:07:10 ◼ ► can't afford because it's at 3:49 price that Apple it already mention the shower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11230">TS</a>]
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03:07:40 ◼ ► product apples unveiled with about six months of headway you know died from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11260">TS</a>]
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03:07:53 ◼ ► from coming to market it'll be interesting to see how that plays out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11273">TS</a>]
03:07:57 ◼ ► you know how much how much do other similar products command the meantime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11277">TS</a>]
03:08:02 ◼ ► the people lose interest to people get angry when christmas rolls around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11282">TS</a>]
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03:08:10 ◼ ► gonna be able to get one this year but I don't think anyone expects the share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11290">TS</a>]
03:08:15 ◼ ► which is no I don't know about that I think I don't think anybody informed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11295">TS</a>]
03:08:19 ◼ ► expects it I think that if you went out and polled thousand people who play xbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11299">TS</a>]
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03:08:36 ◼ ► announced today must be coming out later this year maybe I although the extra 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11316">TS</a>]
03:08:42 ◼ ► min project at all which I think was the Kinect I doubt that was demoed a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzMHD7A/11322">TS</a>]
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