00:00:00 ◼ ► yes but can you hear me yes I can hear you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/0">TS</a>]
00:00:03 ◼ ► yeah and I can hear us but very strange I don't know I don't know I seriously I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► spent 15 minutes and made probably 12 recordings to make sure that everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/8">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► was 5 I'm telling you I include most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/12">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► half the time we include the stuff in the show like me had problems with Skype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/18">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► like like mister Magoo it's like nothing can possibly know I never want to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/23">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► podcast where it actually just plain works it's always a horrible thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/32">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► that I work like this is what I do every day and some now just just screws up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/38">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► every time that I actually mean when I testing that's fine and so is fine and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/47">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► did you know sometimes there in front of intestinal good things are going well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/51">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► and then now actually using them it's a nice if they can't be any of our perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/54">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► perfectly usable software which always functions hundred-percent so you anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/61">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► christa Morgan thinks you do as well thank you I have so much to talk about I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/68">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► am so excited because the white stuff came out and yes you excited about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/75">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► want I'm excited about the watch and also I don't have this this happens sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/79">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► of I feel like every time there's either a big update to an Apple product or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/85">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► preview of upcoming music well they really need that and then of course I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/90">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► know the data comes out I'm going to give me this thing so I'm excited about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/95">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► it but also a little late but I know I'm excited because I think it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/100">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► cool but I also think that it is it's this weird mix of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/105">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► Apple being way ahead of where they've ever been with a new product before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/112">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► combined with that there's still a lot of mystery around it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/116">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► there is yeah there's quite a bit of mystery as to what I mean even even with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/120">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► the watch kids out now I feel like they're still mystery about what you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/125">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► you'll actually be able to do in this sort of first round before we can build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/131">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► truly need to pass on the watch for me yeah I mean I the day that it came out I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/135">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► think I think was the very day maybe was not the same day I was out in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/143">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► Francisco because I was at the event and they announced the thing and that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/147">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► down in Cupertino or not yet for the event and I came back to San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/152">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► and I like put my nose together and you know Michael operate ransom and he is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/159">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► San Francisco now he works there is it Pinterest and we met and we had a drink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/166">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► and end the first thing that he said to me was that this is weird because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/170">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► feels like this is like your three of the watch because there's like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/174">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► different sizes there's all these different bands like it feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/179">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► third-generation Apple product like okay now we're gonna give you two sizes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/182">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► we're gonna give you choices of the styles whereas the traditional the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/187">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► traditional way of doing an Apple product is here's the one here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/192">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► here's the first one and there's one way and it's very limited and you get it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/196">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► everybody's going to have the exact same size and exact same band and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/201">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► gonna like and that's it right and it just feels like they've skipped like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/205">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► year to end it seems the same way with the SDK like I know that it's not truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/211">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► native apps yet that we're we're just projecting apps from extensions from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/216">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► iPhone but that we don't get some huge compared to like the iPhone SDK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/221">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► you know when that that's a click here something right and like it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/225">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► upset right we don't even have the watch yet and yet we can start thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/229">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► the apps for it yes it seems incredible that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/234">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► it's really that really puts it in perspective actually since going to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/240">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► because it's just an extension and they know that really puts it in perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/242">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► because a specially when you especially when you compare it with the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/246">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► luncheon remember Nevin you know before the SDK was ever even announced before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/250">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► they announce anything about third-party apps he was like I'm gonna make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/255">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► website for me but that's what though that's what they'll say that it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/258">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► people are just so mad that there was an interesting case for a long time I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/263">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► what made people mad was at WWDC 2007 and I wrote about this at the time and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/268">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► but I think it made people mad wasn't that they didn't say look we're we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/274">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► just not ready for it yet and you know in the future you can write ups but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/280">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► can't do it or not ready cuz everybody would have sent you a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/285">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► disappointed but we understand but what they did was a double-double TCM it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/288">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► Scott Forstall in their late we have a really quote unquote the words sweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/292">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► solution for all of you who want to write apps for this phone and everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/297">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► got so excited everybody is ready to stand up everybody was ready like strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/302">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► the stage and then I realized you can write web apps and it was like yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/306">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► I called it on during fireball called it a shit sandwich you know I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/314">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► I've ever told this is a funny so that was a guest on monday was the first day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/320">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► of WWDC 2007 and I called the data sheets in which and everybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/326">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► disappointed because they set us up by calling it a sweet solution and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/331">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► still it was only like five years since I been raining during fireball and I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/337">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► had as I want to I started getting press credentials for the keynote and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/341">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► like that but I was a lot less popular than than during fireballs gotten to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/346">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► this point and a day later was like Tuesday WBC and I was riding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/354">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► and right behind me was Phil Schiller and i'd never spoken to him face to face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/362">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► in my life at that point I was like holy shit Phil Schiller home so I turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/367">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► around I was a and I was it was there that weird way where it's at first you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/372">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► think I should introduce myself and anything oh my god no I know I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/378">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► start around pretty silent and I know I should totally get the professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/381">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► thing to do would be to introduce myself because I know he knew my name because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/386">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► know he'd sent emails and I was a hey I'm John Gruber and he was nice to meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/389">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► you and in it the first thing he said to me was nice to meet you and he goes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/395">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► gotta take it I don't think that shit so much higher and that's awesome I was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/399">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► blown away because I was like no fucking way he read my shit on the day of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/404">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► raid exactly will share their stays up late and read your blog and then we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/412">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► in the leg kind of an argument about like a friendly cordial argument about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/416">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► whether or not writing web apps for the iPhone was shipped him a great that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/420">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► really cool that's a fun story but anyway we don't have to write should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/426">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► sandwiches for the for the Apple watch it's actually pretty pretty awesome and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/430">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► so incensed soon to any member when I was watching me how much he knows most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/437">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► likely in November that seems I mean yeah just in comparison i mean just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/442">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► seems really fast and it's like they were just really thinking about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/446">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► from from the beginning about how they're gonna get third-party developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/451">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► involved like right away which is really cool and nice to see ya I really think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/456">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► that it shows that it's like you know I know they said when they unveiled it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/462">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► September that they've been working on for three years but it makes me think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/466">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► that they've been thinking about stuff like third party apps for three years 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/469">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► yeah definitely you know I'm guessing that the iOS App Store is just a mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/475">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► that's just sort of changed you know everything and influence them a lot when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/482">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► building is running because we have found you know it probably they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/487">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► working so hard to get that first initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/490">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► product off the ground maybe they you know they had ideas probably for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/493">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► third-party developers not at the outset anyway not for a while and so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/497">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► pretty cool that they could envision that you know from from the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/504">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► with this and it makes me wonder like whoa what's going on with the AppleTV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/507">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► AppleTV and that's it that's a very different but it's funny it is funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/511">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► though because you know what it's funny though because it's those are the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/518">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► things that everybody thinks our next well I mean obviously the watch is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/524">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► definitely next they've announced it but you know all year long people have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/527">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► thinking you know there have been rumors that they gonna do watch but it's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/531">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► because TV and the watch our sort of the extremes of computing in terms of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/535">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► like an Apple keeps using this word intimate that the watches the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/544">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► intimate thing they've ever made intimate internet but it's true I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/549">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► think that it's I don't think that it's like marketing hype I think it means and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/555">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► whether the watch is gonna be personal because it's so close to its low on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/561">TS</a>]
00:09:26 ◼ ► skin all the time you know and and and the TV is the opposite is the least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/566">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► intimate computing destination that they could possibly make you sit far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/575">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► from it you know you're you know you instead of measuring inches your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/580">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► passively watch things right and famously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/585">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► you know it's a passive device that you kind of you now you know your mind you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/588">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► know kind of blanks when you're watching TV and so it's kind of funny that those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/594">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► are the two things I don't know and I wonder though if there's like a design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/599">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► because the does seem though that overall their design aesthetic is sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/607">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► yeah and I wonder how there could be something as as different as a watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/614">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► the TV if they could share a certain aesthetic I don't know oh well yeah I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/621">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► in love i mean so the deputy be finally got a bit of a refreshed its not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/626">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► sort of like a new coat of paint it's not for me it's just not a big it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/633">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► a huge updated just ordered like got rid of the glossiness and it's and it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/637">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► in line with them like I S seven and eight but would be really cool if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/641">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► borrowed from the watches aesthetic I'm really I mean so far from screenshots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/650">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► from the videos I've seen in the watch it looks beautiful but an uneven just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/654">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► things like controlling the TV with with with a lot because the IRS at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/660">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► controls up a terrible i mean that's 11 little bridge but like yeah if the UIF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/665">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► of the TV somehow be influenced by the way that would be great but I also just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/671">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► see you I don't know I OS apps on the TV games and so you have an Apple TV I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/675">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► yeah I every time I mention being frustrated by the remote their physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/684">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► remote the country and I hate that its infrared because it's like our TiVo I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/691">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► think we're like two generations in with Bluetooth TiVo remote so you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/697">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► to point the remote anything and you get used to that you get used to not having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/703">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► to point it and that stupid Apple TV remote and I always think like a balance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/707">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► the battery the battery is weak and that's why can't do it all by Anu stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/713">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► little you know whatever the battery is a buy a new one put it in and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/718">TS</a>]
00:12:02 ◼ ► exactly the same and it's not the battery packs just finished he is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/722">TS</a>]
00:12:08 ◼ ► so and it's a mean it's only like slightly better than the horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/728">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► plastic one they used to come to the Apple TV n with and with mexico years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/733">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► just remember just it's no good and we have a Roku 3 as well and you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/739">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► about the same crazy second-guessing Apple TV and just like the interfaces is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/747">TS</a>]
00:12:32 ◼ ► just us so much more it just makes me kind of said controller is also looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/752">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► game controller and you can plug into it and it's it's not you know sleek and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/756">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► sophisticated it sort of chunky in a friendly design but it's so much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/761">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► like as an actual remote control its kinda makes me sad everytime I bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/765">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► this up especially on the show and I know there's people who who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/771">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► listening right now and they're already firing up their email there already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/775">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► writing the email to me telling me this time around I stop don't send me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/778">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► email they're gonna say oh for the iPhone the iPhone how is worse the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/782">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► is everything except typing passwords rate and that's you know assuming that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/791">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► the the Apple connect with the Apple TV would sometimes mine still doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/797">TS</a>]
00:13:21 ◼ ► I can't find it and by the time the lunches and connects to Apple TV I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/801">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► have used a terrible to do whatever I need to do and yes just not just as it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/807">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► known to me though it's it's it's them to me the single biggest deal with Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/816">TS</a>]
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00:27:32 ◼ ► definitely nicer about it but overall it's like not quite right it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► little too I don't know there's something about it that doesn't work you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► know it's it's why I know that with the UI version you know the the UI font in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► in Yosemite that it's not just plain Helvetica Neue it's it's like oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► sweet did you know just to make it better for four you somebody and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► particular in different sizes and shapes nicer but yes it's like their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► version but still you know how that it makes me think though that with San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► Francisco that it makes me appreciate the way that they've sweated the details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► to make a nicer as the Mac system and I wouldn't be surprised if in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► it is this system font on iOS and Mac too but when if and when that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► they're gonna have to put that same amount of work into tweaking it to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► it perfect for ya was gonna say you know the public to to let you know if if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► San Francisco as it exists now is made specifically for any Apple watching is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► made for this tiny screen and they haven't really put a lot of work into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► making it you like it you know and the larger sizes that you use when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► right there would be no I could see it working mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► tweak it but it's not working the system I think it's some weird combination of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► like how many pixels high the font is combined with the physical size like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► you measure with an actual ruler how big it's going to be when you look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► like it's not just like Oh make sixteen-point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► look perfect it's make 16th . font look perfect at quarter of an inch high as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► postal I gotta watch where it's going to be much more fun to watch it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► it's really I don't remember being blown away by it in the presentation and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► at the event when I actually got to look at the white the actual watches you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► hands on it looks so i cant wait to actually see what it's like it's been an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1791">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► adjustment away from Lucida Grande at first it was strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► everywhere in and some of the special like the first really silly with iOS as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:13 ◼ ► well as they're just like it wasn't really working for me at first but now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1813">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► don't know it it's it's working really well as the system on the map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► yeah I definitely i'd like it but it's it's been in the job as somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► obsesses over type it's been an adjustment like chair and you know lucid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► worked loose of a grand grand a dozen other ones since I have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► Lucida Grande do you pronounce the grantee Grande Grande yeah I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► but it would you say at Starbucks inside Grande right yeah you guys have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► assured that well whatever it's called it it especially worked well at small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► sizes like you know that they hinting work that Apple did and who the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:13 ◼ ► who made lucid in the first place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1873">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► intending it to be a great screen fun it really really worked well at very small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► sizes like for like when you're setting like like a Preferences dialog and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► small text underneath the control that explains what that setting you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► detail what that setting does loose it works so well at that and whenever I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► that now in Helvetica on Yosemite sometimes it looks a little bit not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► it looks bad but it somehow looks it strikes me as a little it just feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► funny but I'm getting used to it let's let's talk about yosemite so why are as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► a UI designer one what is your overall impression now that we're a couple you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► know he's kind of settled in you know what what are your impressions overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► life it's everything feels very late and it sort of feels like it's going along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:08 ◼ ► with like be you know ever-increasing thinness of the actual hardware and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1928">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► sort of like helps everything feel like the best preserved the depth with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► the drop shadows on all the windows themselves but then having sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► translucency vibrancy stuff everywhere it's overkill to me but as a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► adjusted to it I like it feels like everything is is like these nice little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► panes of glass hovering over each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► you don't think it feels good I really what I really like it was all the really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► small Excel animations that they've everywhere that they're not big in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► flashy and they're not they don't they don't really really so it's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► wouldn't really notice it too much for things like checking checkbox just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► meetings and a nice friendly little way you know just even even things like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► choosing something from a context menu is just slightly different just a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► bit more alive a little extreme year that makes sense so I feel like with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► somebody they've made made it so it you're a little bit more connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► the UIF that makes sense after years of touchscreens I'm feeling really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► connected to that I was feeling like with with maverick's even just feeling a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► little setback from america especially mouse trackpad I feel like I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► you use more I feel more connected to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► yeah I feel like that that's a good point with the animation and I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► it's interesting because clearly the iPhone and iOS where where Apple really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► got into that sort of make things the things you interact with on the device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► feel alive and feel like real names but they didn't do an iOS inspired Mac URI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2035">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► like this ship that whole iOS 126 era in terms of Ike bringing those ideas to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► Mac and they waited until after I was seven and I i mean you know like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► textural stuff was definitely leaning over into them a great yeah but not what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► you see but you know I mean yeah I agree you mean like with like the trackpad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► like with the gestures you can do in the mouse Yeah Yeah right but also there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► were more like textures and things in actual and apps like it was turning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► take our old texture they said just yea though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► and I have really enjoyed that I'm really glad that the Magic Mouse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► trackpad allow so many just a little bit but I don't know I don't know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► textures I I think the Mac was going in that way anyway you know that I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2094">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► like what what what yosemite adds that's new is I could you said where where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► there's subtle animations you know like a pop-up menu and it just grows the menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► grows out of the the pop up button I it's such a nice looked at a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► people have complained to me about that one but I really that's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► things about you somebody that I enjoy really like that animation where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► menu it grows I don't know how else to say it just grows out of the but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► you make your selection there's just a little bit more feedback it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► this late little like like flashlights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► senior input into it just feels more likely it's slightly more alive now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► that's it so funny that you made that noise because it doesn't make noise but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► that is what it feels like to do ya like there is that sort of feeling to it do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2153">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► you feel though as a designer that is that you have liked to redo everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► or do you feel that it's not that much work to to get like rogue amoeba zaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► looking perfect on your sanity is it a restart I live in there is gonna be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► lot of I mean if we did nothing else is just have to be a lot of Lycra skinning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► and I don't I don't think we're going to go away we're not going to dive into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► translucency stuff too much at least not with with the next few apps I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:41 ◼ ► where we're going to sort of be in the middle of make things look at home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2201">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► unless somebody hopefully that's the goal and we make things look at home on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:51 ◼ ► Sunday but still look Lake our stuff that makes sense and yes I'm not Hong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2211">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► into it I feel I feel ya I do I feel because I feel like somehow like going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► from Iowa sixth I was 74 most apps was like you really had to redo the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► thing to make it feel whereas going from pre yosemite Mac to yosemite it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► to me it's a lot more so I think it's a lot less yeah it's a lot more so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► lot less work it just depends on Europe though when something like fission I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► feel like would would benefit from just a little bit of a skinny but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► something like piezo which I still love my little recording outfits it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► you know it's and cutie in and whimsical so just spent on that happen and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► much I care far in either direction it already was to begin with I guess and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:54 ◼ ► some things will take more working on other things less work but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2274">TS</a>]
00:37:59 ◼ ► no I like I feel like piezas a good example though because piezo you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2279">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► and I know that this word gets overused but its school Marvic and iPod just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► think about it I saw the post but it was like celebrating an anniversary or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► something but it was you know mentioned mentioning the old Braun physical radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► that sort of inspired and look at it and which is a beautiful device super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► beautiful device I kind of feel like they say the anniversary of us and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► gave me the brown radio that inspired the use of which was an incredible gift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► I'm just doing that in their house and you know what you know he's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► know the pain the problem is he comes up with clever ideas like that and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► makes you know it makes the rest of us who don't have clever gift ideas true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► like my my idea of a good gift would be like a gift card for the iTunes Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► you go by you know go by the new levels for Monument Valley and whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► comes up with a brilliant idea like the actual 1968 radio that inspired piezo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► and then ships which is terrible because it's so it's so wonderful that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► terrible because it makes you can talk that and then he's like oh yeah I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► just donating platelets this week just the nicest guy ever going to die and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► yeah exactly exactly he's giving you a wonderful gift while his other arm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► from one hand on his phone while the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► donating platelets terrible but I don't use I do feel though that I can happily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► piezo kids gets away with secure Morphy gimmickry still on Yosemite in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► that like on the iPhone with iOS 7 that sort of thing looks dated I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► there's nothing I still feel like I feel like it's just like the Mac is such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► it's just a much more broad platform insist there's a lot more variation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► between UPS and and so it can still like I've been using it this whole time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► it's still a cutie for me and so sort of like with it but that's me with every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► single thing I designed like you know if it's over three months old but I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► like they can still get home on your toes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► anything that's that's super textured in detail like that on iOS it just yet just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► looks like iOS 6 and it looks really out of place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► yeah it's it's funny because there's so many more iOS users than Mac users you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► know maybe by inspectors 10 at least but it seems it just seems curious to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► that iOS is where Apple seems to be more radical with their UI design where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► pre Iowa seven UI aesthetic for iOS was way more school marching and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► textured and had more oh this is this looks like a pane of glass with a glossy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► you no effect on it and it's bubbly and its textured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► and the texture is really really rich way more over the top then the Mac ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► God and then when they went the other way they went way more radically in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► direction of ok no textures no 3d effects this is Dino again it's overused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► you know the buttons don't even have outlines they're just taxed and the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:08 ◼ ► both ways it never it's way more conservative to me it never went that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2528">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► texture and now with yosemite where they've sort of updated it for a modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:18 ◼ ► look it's it's nowhere near as radical as I was seven and I think it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2538">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► pleasing overall definitely and I think they really benefited from having you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► know down iOS 7 you know before you somebody and so they sort of this is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► fault injection just guessing on the day they had all of that experience ok let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/2554">TS</a>]
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00:55:15 ◼ ► that they're still using objects in a lot of places I mean that they do still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3315">TS</a>]
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00:57:18 ◼ ► ones from Apple third parties who can do whatever they want but even the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► ones have more texture and depth icon died less by far yeah you know so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► its yeah it's great but it's still it's definitely pared down and less than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► previous factors like I was actually just come in Florida visiting my mom and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► she still running metrics and yeah I was really just sort of like these shifts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► shiny like just you know given that icons just total makeover so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► just tweaking the colors in the lighting and sort of letting things out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► perspective on the rectangles are still think it's it's it's a good compromise I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► think I still have one of my machines used to record podcast is still running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► Mavericks associate's MacBook Air and it like increasingly as a week-by-week it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► just looks like older and older and older looks it looks silly at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► in particular to me the icons really really stand out like like the Finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► icon it's like wow yeah I don't know why they make it look like it's made up I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► don't get it like there still is a lighting effect on the new one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► Yosemite there's a very nice lighting effects like there's light coming down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► it has texture it has depth but the 1 I'm looking at them side by side right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► now it's like the average one has this glass effect that just looks so i cant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► say better than blaming planes exact right word yeah and it's like why why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► did we do that it's like looking back at like high school pictures and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► why did I have a moment why did we think that looked at it the other one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► really stands out to me is the App Store icon and iTunes use the same but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► iTunes has the Yosemite I can't even a system like the App Store icon is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:39 ◼ ► circle you know with just an incredible amount of like glass in class sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3579">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► yeah yeah the old one was over this late and sort of in depth to it and the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:59 ◼ ► one is just like you know social gradient iconic you know just generic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3599">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► application yeah change to you when you guys are working on apps do you do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► get to work on the Apple icon right away or do you wait and you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► something we do later in the process it just depends on the app already working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► on a new app to talk about maybe I can you know pretty much decided like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► is the final version of the icon I think it just depends on where where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► developers are sort of like we go through wire frames and we get things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► pretty much where we think they should be and then there's a lot more back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► work and then it sort of like ok well here's the thing that I can do in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► meantime we have a lot of absentee owners some sort of always rooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:51 ◼ ► around what I'm working on but it just depends on the app at which point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3651">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► there's not a hard-and-fast time that we can always change it later but I find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3655">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► with most designers who are no they they they can't stand working on a nap until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► they have something that could plausibly be the app icon you know like me so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► when there's just like some placeholder art at least you know something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:23 ◼ ► this may be a right like in other words the best way to get some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3683">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► plausible app icon idea out of you would be to make a have engineering creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:36 ◼ ► build the icon is just like you know some clipart from the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3696">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► cause it'll get there as soon as you see it you'll be like I need to immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► drop everything and make something so that the next bills I'm so not allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► yeah to get that is exactly what I would do and then so you have to sort of be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3712">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► reined in the icon right now you know play through the things you need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► we really need this sign up dialogue done because we can't use the app until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► we have a sign up that I've got to know I have to fix it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► yeah there's a lot of prioritizing like we often ship have different priorities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► as far as work on the morning Network Preferences window you know but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► that's how I don't know I cons to me it's it's funny because I i've always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► said this thing people argue about icons more than any other thing in software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► design I don't say user interfaces because it's the one that even if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► not a designer it's just a single point of entry and it represents the whole lab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► so it is important and yet you identify the Apatow when you're just switching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:10 ◼ ► back and forth between apps quickly at-a-glance he reminds users have lunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3790">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► and so it's definitely important but it's truly as important as the amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► argument that happens over changes to icons like people are still scared about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► the new icons in Yosemite because you can't please everybody all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► sure so I think the icons overall I think they look much better but like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► example years I like most of what here's one that I don't like I don't like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► it's sort of and it's it's got like two strong the lighting effect and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► realistic of the gear it's like super photo Rick it doesn't fit with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► doesn't fit with each other's yeah it somehow I don't know it looks to me it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► looks like other great especially with the green that's just looks very like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► it's kind of like between the subtle gradients on everything else and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► like trying to go more photorealistic it's so realistic enough to be like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:24 ◼ ► old blingy style but it's more realistic than the other ingredients used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3864">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► elsewhere and other phones and so yeah it's just kind of weird and I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:35 ◼ ► like having it being just like being in a circle in a box like that gray out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3875">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► boxes very plant in dearborn yeah yeah yeah and I the only thing I dislike is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:45 ◼ ► this better than the one on iOS but that's interesting I like the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3885">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► support to you yeah I do I don't know what I did but I also wish that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3894">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► on iOS I wish the day would yeah I guess it sort of is reminiscent of the one on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► iOS but this one is that the iOS one is is a circle and they've just put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► Circle in the Square they're technically they're super ellipses yes yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► it was like they wanted to be so I don't know why not just make the compass be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► the super relapse you know make the whole thing blew and put the compass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► dial on that why put the Circle in the Square it seems seems forced to me into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:54 ◼ ► the lighting effects in the coloring in the gradient on the one on Damascus is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3954">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► sharper cleaner but it's really wasn't the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► Safari icon on iOS to fill the entire rounded rectangle at that point I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► so i think that it did you make more than they do you know the the circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► inside this work was underweight square saying it doesn't really do anything or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► make any sense just courses that the entire icon to be sort of smaller so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► yeah I'm looking at an old screenshot from I was six and yes the old Safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:41 ◼ ► icon to hold the blue felt the whole square right yeah I feel like all they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4001">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► need to do is just redraw do it the same way industry Dr without just just yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► yeah exactly just make it map make it a need to do but here we are just seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4012">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► me that people people bitch about icons and icon but like you like people bitch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► disproportionately 22 how much they actually have to deal with them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► it's so easily encapsulated you know it's it's designer it's the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► when you ever you pick color and it's likely you'll get into arguments with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► you know whether it's like a client relationship or whether it's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► know like with you I wear your fault I'm at a place but I think you can get an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► that will last for hours because it's so easily in comp you know there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► no subtlety to it you can just say I don't like that color and then all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► sudden you know two people are jointly using the color picker to pick a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► color and it just goes on icon yes yes and everyone has a very strong opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4077">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► about them but there's no one there is no one who doesn't want to lay in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► whereas you know you're designing a sidebar something like that people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► less interested I guess but everyone wants to get their input when it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► found any nineteen makes sense because it is you know the gateway to the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:24 ◼ ► and the thing that represents the opposite holds it is really important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4104">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► thing and it tends to be more fun and more interesting think so people just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► yeah it's like with us IQ designing a sidebar and you need like a gear button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► to get to see you know settings for the sidebar and lower right lower left hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► and if you put it in lower right of the sidebar and somebody things should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► lower left don't just say like gently like I don't know maybe this and if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► right it feels like maybe more natural more natural if it was in the lower left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4136">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► and I'll say it like an open-ended question like that whereas if they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► like the iconic be like this icon terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► thank you you don't get like this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► of you know maybe kind of do something different feedback with icons that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► get with other things like should have been lower left lower right should we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► drop box around these controls because their group together you know things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► like that everybody sort of does that you no more I don't know the feedback is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► always a little bit more humane with stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► yeah definitely very very passionate about their icons 01 thing about items [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► and then this isn't it is not about icon design but just one little thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► you send me that I'm kind of sad about is when you drag and i cant out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► docket doesn't do the little proof animation anymore but you still have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► proof because but instead it just has removed there's a little popup that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► hovers over this is removed and then you dragged away and it does sound we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► get that little like smoke inhalation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► you know and that's all that i dont think that I'm doing it right now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► don't think I removed anything from my dog until just now I just noticed this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► weird remove yeah yeah it's just a little I mean maybe it's more obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► because the smoke was whimsical they could have made it in the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► changed it so I don't know I like I do like they can get the little bit like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:45 ◼ ► the little by little sparkly surround a new app that you haven't lunch yes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4245">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► little likes it would be overkill if it was like on it and everything but just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► little hint it takes to keep things like that but it's yet but it's funny that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► you still get the little comfort you don't have the information anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► yeah and it's a good contrast to this Barclays and launched under my eye to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► feel like with launch center like somebody made that animation like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► don't think its new I think it's exactly the same sparkly animation that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► maybe they'd be tweaked it but it looks very similar to me I can't help but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► think that there was somebody who made and they loved it and then yes you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► we're gonna do this you know we're going to redesign the whole OS you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4293">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► ten point and then we're going to flatten everything we're gonna get rid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► of all the stuff and then they like secretly were like oh god please to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► comfort us partly please don't come here you know nobody nobody ever like filed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► the radar like this weird thing and they're like sure frankly think it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► I liked it is there but it does kind of stick out I think yeah yeah it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► doesn't really fit but its I still just like it and it works because it's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► of like a 10 it's just a random rare thing like it's not you know there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► aren't things like that all over the POS so it's fine it just happens in that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:19 ◼ ► place and it's my little the obvious thing to do would be to copy the Iowa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4339">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► style just put a blue dot next to the apt name if it's updated so boring it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:35 ◼ ► and it's it's just one of those funny things though we're like overall like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4355">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► said you know that overall the Mac is more to me more conservative you I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:46 ◼ ► then I West but like the spark movies and launch center is in no way blaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4366">TS</a>]
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01:14:21 ◼ ► inside scoop as to whether they thought about it or not but never talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4461">TS</a>]
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01:15:19 ◼ ► see if any if anything's which is more towards that sort of moves in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► direction but the difference in the future do you save files to your desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4523">TS</a>]
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01:17:46 ◼ ► used to use to really just use like I was devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4666">TS</a>]
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01:18:19 ◼ ► old-school Mac habit like from the old days that people have carried over or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► you know did like would somebody like him you know really you know really only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► started using a Mac and the last year or two with a with a naturally do that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4708">TS</a>]
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01:18:38 ◼ ► desktop I don't know why that is surprising instead of any service and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4718">TS</a>]
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01:18:50 ◼ ► there's a default directory called documents I would imagine that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► would say things to their documents folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4735">TS</a>]
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01:19:09 ◼ ► place where I know that you can you know you can change the view options for any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► window in the Finder to mister column icon but it's the one place that always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► icon view and you can arrange things spatially and say I've got this file and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4760">TS</a>]
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01:23:05 ◼ ► Super Bowl 50 which would be super bowl well that they should have that's when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuwhj6OM/4985">TS</a>]
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