The Incomparable

239: The Colour Blue


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00:00:25   the incomparable number 239 mar 2015 [TS]

00:00:34   welcome back to be uncomfortable I am [TS]

00:00:36   Jason L so this is not I hope trend but [TS]

00:00:41   our second in about five weeks of of [TS]

00:00:45   tributes to people who have recently [TS]

00:00:47   passed away [TS]

00:00:48   terry pratchett the great writer sir [TS]

00:00:51   terry pratchett passed away recently and [TS]

00:00:54   we've convened a group of people who [TS]

00:00:55   have read a bunch of terry pratchett [TS]

00:00:57   stuff to talk about it i'm not actually [TS]

00:00:59   one of those people so i'm going to fade [TS]

00:01:00   into the background after introducing to [TS]

00:01:02   you these fine members of our panel [TS]

00:01:04   we're going to talk in this episode Lisa [TS]

00:01:06   Schmeisser is out there hi lisa is great [TS]

00:01:08   to be here Monty ashley is their [TS]

00:01:11   haimanti hi Jason [TS]

00:01:13   you should read terry pratchett I should [TS]

00:01:14   read more vibrant I've read somebody [TS]

00:01:16   should read more [TS]

00:01:16   I i look forward to hearing you tell me [TS]

00:01:19   what episodes or what episodes what [TS]

00:01:21   books i should read dan more'n hello [TS]

00:01:24   nice to be here wish it was under better [TS]

00:01:26   circumstances [TS]

00:01:27   yeah absolutely and Steve let's say [TS]

00:01:30   Jason glad to be here wish it was like [TS]

00:01:33   Dan you know a happier time I wish these [TS]

00:01:35   guys would stop dying [TS]

00:01:36   yeah it out make it to make yeah exactly [TS]

00:01:39   enough already with the tribute episodes [TS]

00:01:42   ok yes I suppose we could do aunty [TS]

00:01:45   tribute episode that's your dad [TS]

00:01:48   oh yeah she so Lisa Monty you guys had [TS]

00:01:52   some ideas about what the the subjects [TS]

00:01:55   should be night [TS]

00:01:57   what where where where you guys want to [TS]

00:01:59   get started i think actually Monty had a [TS]

00:02:01   really good one that I remember which is [TS]

00:02:03   pratchett is an example of why you [TS]

00:02:05   shouldn't start with his earliest work [TS]

00:02:07   and go chronologically you should find [TS]

00:02:08   another starting point and I've and true [TS]

00:02:10   although some of us do that anyway just [TS]

00:02:11   because you're obsessive compulsive and [TS]

00:02:13   we felt we need to do or because we [TS]

00:02:16   actually like red him as he updated in [TS]

00:02:18   real time because i got to practice in [TS]

00:02:19   the eighties of all things so yeah so [TS]

00:02:21   did I yeah i just i checked my copy of [TS]

00:02:25   the colour of magic and it is a first [TS]

00:02:28   edition [TS]

00:02:29   although it's a first-edition us [TS]

00:02:31   paperback which probably doesn't count [TS]

00:02:33   for anything [TS]

00:02:34   mhm but it was printed in the US before [TS]

00:02:36   even the light fantastic so yeah I [TS]

00:02:40   started right at the beginning [TS]

00:02:41   yeah I did do although i think I someone [TS]

00:02:43   so like I got that is a library book I [TS]

00:02:46   remember [TS]

00:02:46   reading it at camp and over somebody [TS]

00:02:48   gave it to me I mean my mom might like [TS]

00:02:49   based on a recommendation from someone [TS]

00:02:51   else in my family I couldn't say who [TS]

00:02:53   recommended me but i think i read that [TS]

00:02:56   as I got 10 year olds or something [TS]

00:02:58   yes somebody in high school loaned me [TS]

00:03:00   knowing that I was a hitchhiker's fan [TS]

00:03:02   just you know showed up one day with a [TS]

00:03:04   copy of I think it's a first edition [TS]

00:03:06   hardcover of the light fantastic which [TS]

00:03:09   he he loaned me and which I still [TS]

00:03:11   actually have so Chris Hayes if you're [TS]

00:03:13   out there i got you both haha what's [TS]

00:03:16   probably worth a lot more right now I [TS]

00:03:18   think that's how a lot of us got into it [TS]

00:03:20   is somebody sees you reading douglas [TS]

00:03:22   adams and they go if you like wacky [TS]

00:03:24   british authors here here is the next [TS]

00:03:26   one your list because that's the [TS]

00:03:28   concessionaire at the pool i worked out [TS]

00:03:29   in the summer of like 99 was like I [TS]

00:03:31   think you'll really enjoy these and [TS]

00:03:33   handed me the first two but sadly I [TS]

00:03:36   never actually read that copy of the [TS]

00:03:37   book i started in on it realized it was [TS]

00:03:40   the second you know in in that [TS]

00:03:43   particular book starts in the middle of [TS]

00:03:45   the action where I think everything's [TS]

00:03:46   ruined is plummeting to earth with his [TS]

00:03:48   chest and I thought I guess I should [TS]

00:03:50   probably read the first book and then I [TS]

00:03:52   just never quite got around to finding [TS]

00:03:53   it and tell much much later just a few [TS]

00:03:55   years ago and and felt as I mentioned [TS]

00:03:59   that I had to start at the beginning [TS]

00:04:00   which you know was was a little bit of [TS]

00:04:02   rust letting but I have no memory of why [TS]

00:04:07   I got the colour of magic or why I liked [TS]

00:04:10   it so much because I've reread it [TS]

00:04:12   several times since then and it's [TS]

00:04:13   basically just three unconnected [TS]

00:04:16   pastiche is stuck together [TS]

00:04:18   what is startling if you read the first [TS]

00:04:19   the first two especially in the new go [TS]

00:04:21   and you read right in the middle after [TS]

00:04:23   he's introduced the watch and done some [TS]

00:04:25   serious world-building and it's hard to [TS]

00:04:27   believe that they come from the same [TS]

00:04:28   mind almost like the first two books are [TS]

00:04:30   almost as if they're rough drafts and [TS]

00:04:32   they feel almost reactionary like they [TS]

00:04:33   were written reaction too high-minded [TS]

00:04:35   British fantasy and then for me the [TS]

00:04:38   turning point actually was equal rights [TS]

00:04:40   where he introduces s Karina and Granny [TS]

00:04:42   Weatherwax and you and it's still very [TS]

00:04:44   wizard centric but it broadens the world [TS]

00:04:46   a little bit that's only the third book [TS]

00:04:48   so he did not like what yeah it's fair [TS]

00:04:50   to say that those verse two books i [TS]

00:04:51   think are much more permanent or parody [TS]

00:04:54   than serious books and then at some [TS]

00:04:56   point he as you said [TS]

00:04:58   this book because it's vignettes and [TS]

00:04:59   because it's just like you know straight [TS]

00:05:01   up parody without much story it all [TS]

00:05:03   behind it actually reads more like some [TS]

00:05:05   episodic submissions to dragon magazine [TS]

00:05:08   or something [TS]

00:05:09   it's really interesting to go back and [TS]

00:05:12   read the book he wrote before the colour [TS]

00:05:13   of magic strata we asked Ron to the 10 [TS]

00:05:16   years world and explains one of the [TS]

00:05:19   jokes in the book that he didn't put the [TS]

00:05:21   punchline in which is the reason there's [TS]

00:05:24   a bar called the broken drum it can't be [TS]

00:05:27   beat [TS]

00:05:28   haha of course is that why they [TS]

00:05:31   destroyed the broken drum [TS]

00:05:33   well the broken drum gets burned down in [TS]

00:05:35   the colour of magic editor-in-chief [TS]

00:05:36   every time you go to have more apart [TS]

00:05:38   from that on if the mehndi drum which he [TS]

00:05:40   also never explains yeah well you have [TS]

00:05:43   to explain it they built it after they [TS]

00:05:45   burned it down [TS]

00:05:46   it's been to know oh yeah that's that [TS]

00:05:49   but one of the things I've found when i [TS]

00:05:52   try to explain this world to people who [TS]

00:05:54   are who are not hardcore fantasy people [TS]

00:05:56   is is you don't have to read them in [TS]

00:05:58   order and you can actually kind of read [TS]

00:05:59   them in somatic groups and you still get [TS]

00:06:01   a fairly rich experience and to me [TS]

00:06:03   that's really gratifying because having [TS]

00:06:05   slot my way through a lot of sequential [TS]

00:06:07   series where if you happen to find book [TS]

00:06:09   number four in the library but you have [TS]

00:06:10   13 and you're like ah it's gratifying to [TS]

00:06:14   say look you don't have to sweat just [TS]

00:06:15   start with guards guards and then read [TS]

00:06:17   about the city watch will start with [TS]

00:06:19   which or start with them [TS]

00:06:20   Weird Sisters and you can rejoin through [TS]

00:06:22   the witches or you can read one of the [TS]

00:06:25   stand-alones like pyramids or moving [TS]

00:06:27   pictures to see how you like the tone of [TS]

00:06:29   Discworld and then jump in and I [TS]

00:06:33   appreciated how he had what we're [TS]

00:06:35   basically like four or five distinct [TS]

00:06:37   groups of characters that he kind of had [TS]

00:06:38   moving in tandem and sometimes they [TS]

00:06:40   interact or sometimes they mentioned [TS]

00:06:41   each other but it doesn't all tie in and [TS]

00:06:46   this way you can kind of pick and choose [TS]

00:06:47   your your-your-your discworld experience [TS]

00:06:49   if you're so inclined [TS]

00:06:50   it's not really a giant wheel at I'm [TS]

00:06:54   style 30 book series most Americans are [TS]

00:06:58   standalone yeah or as Lisa said thematic [TS]

00:07:02   you know in terms of there are [TS]

00:07:03   characters they get followed so like I [TS]

00:07:05   mean I started reading while all the [TS]

00:07:07   rincewind books because as a you know [TS]

00:07:09   teenagers prejean or whatever that [TS]

00:07:11   really tickled my fan [TS]

00:07:12   see because I just on the whole area so [TS]

00:07:14   that point but you know like and I never [TS]

00:07:17   really got into the I never really got [TS]

00:07:18   into the witches as much in the act like [TS]

00:07:20   that's one of the things like sort of [TS]

00:07:22   favor I'd save that because you know as [TS]

00:07:25   I think I said on Twitter when I heard [TS]

00:07:26   that he passed away was you know I saved [TS]

00:07:28   some terry pratchett books knowing that [TS]

00:07:30   at some point there would be no more [TS]

00:07:31   Terry Pratchett books but i have also [TS]

00:07:33   been like sort of you know slightly [TS]

00:07:36   introduced to some of those characters [TS]

00:07:38   via the Tiffany aching books too because [TS]

00:07:40   they play person that as well so it's [TS]

00:07:42   they all everything is connected in this [TS]

00:07:44   world universe but it's not like it as [TS]

00:07:47   you're saying it's not like I a you know [TS]

00:07:49   30 series but 30 book series where you [TS]

00:07:51   have to like start at the beginning and [TS]

00:07:53   read all the way through to the end and [TS]

00:07:54   one of the things I like in the sounds [TS]

00:07:56   mean but I like that a lot of the [TS]

00:07:57   characters don't like each other like [TS]

00:07:58   boys find liquid it just does not does [TS]

00:08:02   not care for vines and the feeling is [TS]

00:08:03   more than mutual cut it in and I [TS]

00:08:06   appreciate that because although i do [TS]

00:08:08   like the watch books a lot effort i sort [TS]

00:08:11   of feel like vines gets a tad very [TS]

00:08:13   suited towards the end of it and I don't [TS]

00:08:14   and I don't and I want to stress I don't [TS]

00:08:16   mind because I do like the books but [TS]

00:08:17   after awhile I was like okay exactly how [TS]

00:08:19   many times can you make him the Duke of [TS]

00:08:20   something or promote him higher and [TS]

00:08:22   people tell me what a great copy is and [TS]

00:08:24   he's managed to solve the equivalent of [TS]

00:08:26   stray from the Middle East and he's [TS]

00:08:28   managed to help emancipate a country [TS]

00:08:31   that wasn't the that was in the throes [TS]

00:08:32   of the equivalent of the Taliban and now [TS]

00:08:34   he's managed to stop slavery and human [TS]

00:08:36   trafficking and and like that can only [TS]

00:08:38   happen so many times and it's nice one [TS]

00:08:40   other characters like yeah he's kind of [TS]

00:08:41   he's kind of a jerk but that's really [TS]

00:08:43   interesting to watch happen because at [TS]

00:08:44   the beginning of the Nights Watch [TS]

00:08:45   volumes is drunk [TS]

00:08:48   the city is a mistress finds a [TS]

00:08:50   protagonist but it really felt to me [TS]

00:08:52   like carrot was wear anything focus of [TS]

00:08:54   thing yes [TS]

00:08:54   yeah he's not only so there's only so [TS]

00:08:56   far you can go with that character [TS]

00:08:58   because they both fall into the same you [TS]

00:08:59   know eventual thing of their kind of [TS]

00:09:01   their paladin's right like there's a [TS]

00:09:03   lawful goodness about them that you [TS]

00:09:05   can't necessarily like carrot has [TS]

00:09:08   nowhere to go because he already starts [TS]

00:09:10   is like the you know Gio shucks like [TS]

00:09:12   perfectly good guys so it's not as [TS]

00:09:15   though he has a lot of room to grow [TS]

00:09:16   things actually yeah it does his life is [TS]

00:09:19   in jeopardy from the right with the [TS]

00:09:22   running joke is that everybody knows he [TS]

00:09:23   supposed to be the rightful king of [TS]

00:09:24   Lanka more pork and he hasn't [TS]

00:09:26   so interested he's now I just rather be [TS]

00:09:28   a cop and have my world girlfriend and [TS]

00:09:30   both times that is it just once or is it [TS]

00:09:33   twice because oh because there is some [TS]

00:09:36   the moment the gun where and Dragon King [TS]

00:09:40   of Arms the vampire who keeps the [TS]

00:09:41   breeding books like they tried to pull [TS]

00:09:43   the conspiracy that put carried on the [TS]

00:09:45   throne he's genuinely confused as to why [TS]

00:09:47   anybody would want to do that when [TS]

00:09:48   things are working so well and I i like [TS]

00:09:51   that they said okay we've got it Terry [TS]

00:09:53   Pratchett took this this fantasy [TS]

00:09:55   convention that is so so threadbare is [TS]

00:09:58   to practically be mesh and which is oh [TS]

00:10:00   it's that the family prince who comes [TS]

00:10:02   back to reclaim his legacy and in this [TS]

00:10:04   case the family prints came back fell in [TS]

00:10:06   love with the city and was like I can [TS]

00:10:07   best serve the city by serving under [TS]

00:10:08   somebody who really loves this city and [TS]

00:10:10   and boom that's it [TS]

00:10:12   if he's working under the biggest and [TS]

00:10:13   it's never clear that he's aware that [TS]

00:10:15   he's you know the once and future king [TS]

00:10:16   or whatever because I've never gotten [TS]

00:10:18   the impression that he picked that up [TS]

00:10:19   there are Winx right at the end of a [TS]

00:10:22   couple of books were carried shows that [TS]

00:10:24   he's not as naive as he writes yeah now [TS]

00:10:27   he's just straightforward and people [TS]

00:10:29   confuse that for naivete yes and and i [TS]

00:10:33   like that they basically made him you [TS]

00:10:35   know [TS]

00:10:36   press press the button comes the plot [TS]

00:10:38   device and I like that's how he's used I [TS]

00:10:41   the you know of course I could I could [TS]

00:10:44   find criticisms because you can't write [TS]

00:10:46   however many books he wrote without [TS]

00:10:47   saying he falls on some hackney trips [TS]

00:10:49   and so on and so forth but most the time [TS]

00:10:51   i think what i really liked is as the [TS]

00:10:53   books progress through this series he [TS]

00:10:55   practiced became simultaneously angrier [TS]

00:10:58   about the cupidity of human nature and [TS]

00:11:00   more enamored and hopeful about when we [TS]

00:11:05   managed to overcome our human nature and [TS]

00:11:07   and push people towards progress a [TS]

00:11:09   little bit at a time [TS]

00:11:10   yeah I think that's why my favorite [TS]

00:11:13   protagonists of is are the most cynical [TS]

00:11:16   ones [TS]

00:11:17   yeah like he's got hundreds of [TS]

00:11:19   characters but he drifts towards vibes [TS]

00:11:22   and Granny Weatherwax people who can say [TS]

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00:13:35   uncomfortable I i am an unabashed the [TS]

00:13:38   which the but which books are always my [TS]

00:13:39   favorites just because I well I like [TS]

00:13:42   health how complex it he gives every one [TS]

00:13:45   of the characters their dignity [TS]

00:13:46   vinagrette because I'm Oh magnet at the [TS]

00:13:50   end of lords and ladies is so good [TS]

00:13:52   yeah well things isn't lords and ladies [TS]

00:13:54   really is magnets because there's that [TS]

00:13:55   whole long passage about how Granny [TS]

00:13:56   Weatherwax maybe a better witch but [TS]

00:13:58   magnet has a scientific mind she's a [TS]

00:13:59   better doctor and I appreciated that he [TS]

00:14:02   took the time to put that in there and [TS]

00:14:05   and all that and what I really like is [TS]

00:14:08   all the Granny Weatherwax is the cynic [TS]

00:14:10   it's Nanny yahoo has the measure of [TS]

00:14:12   humanity and he lets her he gives her a [TS]

00:14:14   lot of space to run with it a couple of [TS]

00:14:16   books to ya [TS]

00:14:17   manny has to clean up granny's messages [TS]

00:14:19   a couple of times [TS]

00:14:21   yeah the masquerade especially oh my god [TS]

00:14:25   I love that book [TS]

00:14:26   mostly because it's just a pastiche on [TS]

00:14:28   the phantom of the opera but when the [TS]

00:14:30   two of them hit the city and a nanny ogg [TS]

00:14:32   has figured out in like less than 24 [TS]

00:14:34   hours exactly how it works out and [TS]

00:14:35   Granny Weatherwax how oh how did you do [TS]

00:14:38   that and she's all my arnav said this in [TS]

00:14:42   our camps have had in our travels at the [TS]

00:14:44   office but I'd love i love those books [TS]

00:14:46   and I like when Granny Weatherwax can be [TS]

00:14:49   cruel and one of my favorite passages is [TS]

00:14:51   also lords and ladies when she and [TS]

00:14:53   mightily oats are traveling together and [TS]

00:14:56   they have to burn the book of armed and [TS]

00:14:57   they basically have a long talk about [TS]

00:14:59   what it means to believe in something [TS]

00:15:00   and she's like you know if I actually [TS]

00:15:02   believed in a religion i wouldn't just [TS]

00:15:05   run around I would be making other [TS]

00:15:06   people believe in to invite all the [TS]

00:15:08   answers like I'm I'm so grateful you're [TS]

00:15:10   here you would be terrifying if your [TS]

00:15:13   belief and it was nice it was a great [TS]

00:15:17   exchange some you know because she comes [TS]

00:15:19   up against sheet she beats herself [TS]

00:15:20   against the anvil of somebody else's [TS]

00:15:22   personality and everybody's always [TS]

00:15:23   interested in watching the sparks fly [TS]

00:15:25   one thing i think is great about [TS]

00:15:26   practice that although he's writing in [TS]

00:15:29   fantasy which is a kind of gutter genre [TS]

00:15:34   and he's writing comedic fantasy which [TS]

00:15:36   is even worse than that and he has no [TS]

00:15:39   fear about writing a book like small [TS]

00:15:42   gods which is all about religion and [TS]

00:15:44   believe ya know that's my favorite [TS]

00:15:47   principal you can couch a lot of stuff [TS]

00:15:49   in that in the fantasy tropes right by [TS]

00:15:52   sort of making it alien and being like [TS]

00:15:54   oh yes this is some other world that i'm [TS]

00:15:56   talking about but he does such as I mean [TS]

00:15:58   he any runs the the gamut from you know [TS]

00:16:00   you talk about religion to he talks [TS]

00:16:02   about Hollywood right in moving pictures [TS]

00:16:04   you know all these [TS]

00:16:06   he sorta can go like the satire angle of [TS]

00:16:08   it really doesn't shy away from too many [TS]

00:16:11   targets was like entertainment he died [TS]

00:16:13   and then you know things like a goin [TS]

00:16:15   postal the truth making money sort of [TS]

00:16:18   taking on the institution's i and III [TS]

00:16:21   agree with you I think because of the [TS]

00:16:22   the fantasy really frees them up to be [TS]

00:16:24   able to say pretty much anything you [TS]

00:16:25   want and that because the world gets so [TS]

00:16:27   detailed and so you know flush with all [TS]

00:16:31   these characters and institutions it [TS]

00:16:34   really does become sort of a weird [TS]

00:16:36   mirror of our own world and I don't [TS]

00:16:40   think I think you'd be hard-pressed to [TS]

00:16:42   come up with another like another writer [TS]

00:16:44   who creates such an elaborate throw [TS]

00:16:48   simulacrum when you think about he moved [TS]

00:16:51   from like the Middle Ages up to [TS]

00:16:52   Victorian era England over the course of [TS]

00:16:54   the books because when when these books [TS]

00:16:57   started I mean they were drinking that [TS]

00:16:59   then I forget their drinking water out [TS]

00:17:02   of wells with Newton them and he's [TS]

00:17:04   pointed out that the timeline is [TS]

00:17:06   deliberately messy with Shakespeare's [TS]

00:17:09   old globe right next to a giant parisien [TS]

00:17:12   Opera House [TS]

00:17:13   yeah for centuries apart when the the [TS]

00:17:16   internet heading across the disk [TS]

00:17:19   yeah and to the other as well yeah yeah [TS]

00:17:22   yeahs minutes of the whole point really [TS]

00:17:24   of sci-fi and to a lesser extent fantasy [TS]

00:17:26   is to be able to get away with you know [TS]

00:17:28   modern social commentary and couch it in [TS]

00:17:30   you know whatever universe you're [TS]

00:17:32   working within and you can get away with [TS]

00:17:33   a lot more that way and especially if [TS]

00:17:35   you're doing comedy and and I think he [TS]

00:17:38   he uses that ability to really great [TS]

00:17:40   effect i mean some of these you [TS]

00:17:42   mentioned small gods Lisa which actually [TS]

00:17:44   is is my favorite as well I actually [TS]

00:17:45   find that a terribly moving book and [TS]

00:17:49   yeah I is Bob feel like the last 10 [TS]

00:17:51   pages happen [TS]

00:17:52   yes I mean that the characters and the [TS]

00:17:54   way they deal with each other and the [TS]

00:17:55   way they deal with their faith or lack [TS]

00:17:57   thereof is is really good stuff even if [TS]

00:18:00   you're not you know particularly [TS]

00:18:01   religious person and I definitely am NOT [TS]

00:18:03   you know he he he really kind of can [TS]

00:18:06   move you through that through through [TS]

00:18:09   the background of of the fantasy [TS]

00:18:11   universities built i said this on [TS]

00:18:12   twitter too but over the process of [TS]

00:18:14   leaving the Catholic Church which I had [TS]

00:18:16   been raised in since childhood [TS]

00:18:18   and I left and I left it was literally [TS]

00:18:20   like the ugliest breakup I've ever been [TS]

00:18:22   in my life and the two books that [TS]

00:18:24   actually helped me frame my thinking and [TS]

00:18:26   save my sanity to some extent were lamb [TS]

00:18:30   by christopher moore who is a wonderful [TS]

00:18:32   another wonderful offer to read if you [TS]

00:18:34   want comic fantasy that also has some [TS]

00:18:36   sliced social commentary in there and [TS]

00:18:38   then small gods by terry pratchett and I [TS]

00:18:40   read and reread both of those books and [TS]

00:18:42   they really helped me get my head on [TS]

00:18:44   straight as to why I was doing what I [TS]

00:18:45   was doing and where I wanted to end up [TS]

00:18:46   and I think that's another endorsement [TS]

00:18:49   president is you know when you do come [TS]

00:18:53   from heavily religious background you [TS]

00:18:55   choose to leave it having a book like [TS]

00:18:56   small gods was a really helpful really [TS]

00:18:59   helpful framework for figuring out what [TS]

00:19:00   my own ideas were independent of what [TS]

00:19:02   I've been taught well now I brought down [TS]

00:19:04   the podcast trying to look up a book [TS]

00:19:08   titles i can't remember that it's [TS]

00:19:09   killing me which one what what kind of [TS]

00:19:12   question is that if I knew that the one [TS]

00:19:14   about Skylar described book unseen only [TS]

00:19:16   once and Cena tensile yeah that was the [TS]

00:19:19   one that I think was one of the later [TS]

00:19:20   ones that I read and I mean after he [TS]

00:19:22   announced that he had was you know [TS]

00:19:24   diagnosed with early-onset Alzheimer's [TS]

00:19:26   and i read that i still remember [TS]

00:19:28   laughing out loud and portions of that [TS]

00:19:29   and thinking like man you know if you [TS]

00:19:31   you can find people who are half as good [TS]

00:19:33   as over as a writer is Terry pressure [TS]

00:19:35   you don't have a whole slackers like [TS]

00:19:37   that is very impressive [TS]

00:19:38   oh god I'll i also love the Wizards [TS]

00:19:40   because they're just so freaking chaotic [TS]

00:19:42   and yet the the eight solid pastiche in [TS]

00:19:45   common satire in academia right like you [TS]

00:19:47   know there's that whole it since the [TS]

00:19:48   beginning the wizard I mean I think [TS]

00:19:49   that's why I liked the Richmond books [TS]

00:19:51   early on is that that whole culture of [TS]

00:19:53   all especially thinking sorcery they [TS]

00:19:55   become sort of more involved in it it [TS]

00:19:58   was a whole like the Dean and the [TS]

00:19:59   bursary and all these people all the [TS]

00:20:02   arguing and their stupid petty [TS]

00:20:03   discussion and hire students and his [TS]

00:20:06   ways in like a computer later on his [TS]

00:20:08   machine thinking machine or something [TS]

00:20:09   ahead controlled by bx right right yeah [TS]

00:20:13   whatever one of the things I like about [TS]

00:20:15   small gods which is just a brilliant [TS]

00:20:16   novel is that it's not just about [TS]

00:20:19   religion but actually even to an atheist [TS]

00:20:22   helps explain religion and I liken it to [TS]

00:20:26   unseen academicals which among other [TS]

00:20:29   things explains why people like [TS]

00:20:32   sports and it lets you see that it's [TS]

00:20:37   part of the shared experience of [TS]

00:20:39   everybody cheering for the same thing [TS]

00:20:40   and I think it's a mark of a really good [TS]

00:20:43   writer that he can tackle both sports [TS]

00:20:46   and religion with equal yet with that he [TS]

00:20:49   can honor them equally and explain not [TS]

00:20:52   really explain them both but help you [TS]

00:20:54   understand both and also i love the end [TS]

00:20:57   of the day i love the end of many of his [TS]

00:20:58   novels but ya wanna time the moment and [TS]

00:21:02   unseen academicals where the or [TS]

00:21:04   character is being booed by the entire [TS]

00:21:07   stadium except forward and everybody's [TS]

00:21:09   quiet he says come on if you think [TS]

00:21:11   you're hard enough [TS]

00:21:12   yes and everybody just cheers him [TS]

00:21:15   because they all said that's the right [TS]

00:21:17   thing to say [TS]

00:21:18   yeah fresh it was great at moments like [TS]

00:21:21   that [TS]

00:21:22   yeah i know i mean i think i think [TS]

00:21:23   you're totally right that he does such [TS]

00:21:25   an e there are a lot of books that could [TS]

00:21:27   and I you know sometimes in some cases [TS]

00:21:29   put douglas adams since this category [TS]

00:21:31   that could just be a string together of [TS]

00:21:34   a lot of jokes but his books actually [TS]

00:21:37   work as books even you know they are [TS]

00:21:40   funny but they they tell a complete [TS]

00:21:42   story and is generally a story that you [TS]

00:21:44   know make sense as well plotted and all [TS]

00:21:46   that it's not like you know he'll go a [TS]

00:21:48   long way for a joke but he won't derail [TS]

00:21:50   necessarily the entire story for a joke [TS]

00:21:52   and I think that's to my mind that's [TS]

00:21:54   what makes him so successful is that his [TS]

00:21:56   books are are funny but they're also [TS]

00:21:57   perfectly good books just to sit down [TS]

00:22:00   and read and the plots make sense the [TS]

00:22:02   characters are wonderfully drawn with [TS]

00:22:04   the exception of a few obvious periods [TS]

00:22:06   like his you know is his first couple of [TS]

00:22:08   books and then the sequence of books [TS]

00:22:10   where his whole conception behind the [TS]

00:22:13   novel was basically what happens if we [TS]

00:22:15   drop a gun in a discworld ok how about [TS]

00:22:17   movies [TS]

00:22:18   nobody get our sure yeah I like soul [TS]

00:22:21   music a lot its almost regulated moving [TS]

00:22:23   picture i think that's probably the best [TS]

00:22:24   of the three there is one line in moving [TS]

00:22:27   pictures i say a lot which is when [TS]

00:22:29   they've invented popcorn because of [TS]

00:22:30   course yes bank gradient huh yeah if you [TS]

00:22:34   put butter and salt on it tastes sort of [TS]

00:22:36   like salty butter [TS]

00:22:38   I say that all the time which is what [TS]

00:22:40   people want to begin with populations to [TS]

00:22:42   be well and I really likes so me [TS]

00:22:45   dick in particular because i really like [TS]

00:22:47   death and you can't talk in ironically [TS]

00:22:49   enough you know I think that that's my [TS]

00:22:53   he's probably my favorite character in [TS]

00:22:55   all of Discworld I you know and with [TS]

00:22:59   perhaps maybe the the caveat that the [TS]

00:23:02   death of rats is actually amazing but [TS]

00:23:04   only difference is a squeak it not gay [TS]

00:23:07   people love the library and he doesn't [TS]

00:23:09   say much [TS]

00:23:09   the librarian is great as well because [TS]

00:23:13   we please don't turn people call monkey [TS]

00:23:14   Luke Luke I death is such a fascinating [TS]

00:23:18   character runs through so many of these [TS]

00:23:20   books because of course everybody does [TS]

00:23:23   eventually I think he's one of the few [TS]

00:23:25   characters in every single mothers [TS]

00:23:26   always a death cameo in every book [TS]

00:23:28   yes starting with colour of magic [TS]

00:23:30   sometimes I feel she warned in but it's [TS]

00:23:32   there but I mean again is universal [TS]

00:23:34   right and but his character of death has [TS]

00:23:36   drawn is someone who is just a kind of [TS]

00:23:38   like doing a job and it's kind of like [TS]

00:23:41   this is my thing I mean you and you get [TS]

00:23:43   your death centric novels to like Reaper [TS]

00:23:44   man and more and soul music and so I [TS]

00:23:48   think having him there in you know to [TS]

00:23:50   sort of string all these things together [TS]

00:23:52   and also to just be sort of he's the [TS]

00:23:54   he's the immovable unstoppable force [TS]

00:23:57   right and and the great equalizer so I [TS]

00:24:00   think he's he is among my favorite of [TS]

00:24:02   all of the characters him and veterinary [TS]

00:24:05   if I'm having an ear vines experience he [TS]

00:24:10   is that one book too and i also enjoy [TS]

00:24:14   when he and the witches up but when [TS]

00:24:16   Granny Weatherwax gives them a [TS]

00:24:17   chiropractic adjustment but yea Reaper [TS]

00:24:19   man was i think the first book that [TS]

00:24:21   actually like hit me between the eyes [TS]

00:24:23   emotionally that's why I think that's my [TS]

00:24:26   favorite [TS]

00:24:26   yeah and then later when i read [TS]

00:24:31   hogfather I do tend to read around the [TS]

00:24:34   holidays when he asked Susan you know [TS]

00:24:36   what you have a kiss for your granddad [TS]

00:24:38   and that for some reason like og support [TS]

00:24:42   this poor anthropomorphic [TS]

00:24:43   personification of death [TS]

00:24:44   all he wants is all he wants is his [TS]

00:24:47   granddaughter to give my kids because he [TS]

00:24:48   misses having kids and it's it's just [TS]

00:24:50   it's it's inaudibly touching you know [TS]

00:24:54   and and Susan still hell is also one of [TS]

00:24:56   my [TS]

00:24:57   favorites and I think it's because in [TS]

00:25:00   fantasy it's comparatively rare to have [TS]

00:25:02   female characters who are not there as [TS]

00:25:05   as means to help the male characters [TS]

00:25:08   develop their character more or as [TS]

00:25:09   rewards or as props and one of the [TS]

00:25:13   things pratchett had such an eight [TS]

00:25:15   respect for all of his characters that [TS]

00:25:16   he developed you you never got the sense [TS]

00:25:19   that there was any princess who existed [TS]

00:25:20   solely because there was a prince who [TS]

00:25:22   needs to have a girlfriend after a while [TS]

00:25:24   or there was never an evil queen he was [TS]

00:25:26   evil simply for the sake of of giving [TS]

00:25:28   people something to do it was always [TS]

00:25:29   there was always something a little bit [TS]

00:25:32   deeper you know even with characters [TS]

00:25:34   like warbles who still haunts my [TS]

00:25:35   nightmares and and the auditors which [TS]

00:25:41   are also frankly horrific i was trying [TS]

00:25:45   to remember if if Reaper man has one of [TS]

00:25:47   my favorite footnotes and of course [TS]

00:25:49   footnotes a big terry pratchett think [TS]

00:25:51   but I think it's the one about is that [TS]

00:25:53   the one where they he talks about [TS]

00:25:54   anti-crime we're just involves like [TS]

00:25:57   leaving things places and people went [TS]

00:26:00   shopping carts in like random place its [TS]

00:26:02   haha but I just a Terry branches Matt [TS]

00:26:06   like the footage this man turned [TS]

00:26:08   footnotes into an art I think probably [TS]

00:26:10   before David Foster Wallace skin home [TS]

00:26:12   intruder and and with different i do [TS]

00:26:16   when to stop [TS]

00:26:17   yeah yeah yeah yeah but anyway they were [TS]

00:26:19   always I i just always remember looking [TS]

00:26:21   for the footnotes especially the younger [TS]

00:26:23   reader and just being so excited when I [TS]

00:26:24   realized the page had a footnote because [TS]

00:26:26   i love that they were so often they were [TS]

00:26:28   little stories in and of themselves and [TS]

00:26:31   just fascinating little like you know [TS]

00:26:33   like a joke he couldn't quite fit into [TS]

00:26:35   the main text but decided like this is [TS]

00:26:37   still pretty funny and deserves to go in [TS]

00:26:38   there i must admit i eventually got to [TS]

00:26:40   the point probably about book 20 where I [TS]

00:26:42   would hit a footnote and go I really i [TS]

00:26:44   gotta go down to the bottom of the page [TS]

00:26:45   again it's a little bit harder with that [TS]

00:26:48   with when you're reading on kindle [TS]

00:26:49   because depending on what can apply yeah [TS]

00:26:51   and it I can completely reset your place [TS]

00:26:53   in the book and it's a pain in the neck [TS]

00:26:54   to go back and forth cuz most the time [TS]

00:26:56   all of the footnotes with the very end [TS]

00:26:58   of the book and so depending on if [TS]

00:27:00   you're reading kindle for ipad or kindle [TS]

00:27:02   for your kindle or kindle on the phone [TS]

00:27:04   or kindle on your laptop [TS]

00:27:06   you're either stuck back and try to [TS]

00:27:07   remember where you were or it's a couple [TS]

00:27:09   extra clicks and it's it's a lot [TS]

00:27:11   it's a lot less enjoyable to read the [TS]

00:27:12   footnotes electronically than it is on [TS]

00:27:14   the pain the books that i still haven't [TS]

00:27:16   printed definitely definitely start [TS]

00:27:17   practice a perfect argument for pop-up [TS]

00:27:19   footnotes [TS]

00:27:20   yeah I don't remember what book it was [TS]

00:27:22   but there was some pratchett book where [TS]

00:27:24   there's a footnote at the bottom of the [TS]

00:27:25   page and I read the whole page i didn't [TS]

00:27:28   see the asterisk so I went back up and [TS]

00:27:31   read the page again I didn't see it and [TS]

00:27:33   I went word by word and I didn't see it [TS]

00:27:34   that turned out it was on the next page [TS]

00:27:36   because of a printing error was [TS]

00:27:40   infuriating [TS]

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00:29:05   thank you too well front for letting me [TS]

00:29:06   speak in hushed disclaimer tones and for [TS]

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00:29:11   I think we spent a lot of time talking [TS]

00:29:12   to be honest discworld is the one of the [TS]

00:29:14   most familiar with and there's also a [TS]

00:29:16   good omens with no game and that I've [TS]

00:29:19   read a few times and it's that it's my [TS]

00:29:21   one tiny bit of nerd fancred because i [TS]

00:29:23   do have a copy [TS]

00:29:24   signed by both pratchett game and i also [TS]

00:29:26   have a copy signed by both freshmen game [TS]

00:29:28   there we go that's not that cool anymore [TS]

00:29:30   is it now there's two yeah i got is only [TS]

00:29:35   signed by Neil Gaiman because the one [TS]

00:29:37   time I went to see a practice signing I [TS]

00:29:39   didn't bring it i don't know why [TS]

00:29:41   oh the colour of magic and whatever was [TS]

00:29:44   new it remains my favorite story that [TS]

00:29:47   when i went to see I i think i'm trying [TS]

00:29:51   to remember i think it would I want to [TS]

00:29:53   see Terry Pratchett first and in in [TS]

00:29:55   cambridge and I have signed the book and [TS]

00:29:57   I mentioned o Neil Gaiman is gonna be [TS]

00:29:59   here in a week or 2 i'm going to see him [TS]

00:30:01   do you have any messages i should pass a [TS]

00:30:03   lot and terry pratchett looks at me and [TS]

00:30:05   thinks he goes tell him the color blue [TS]

00:30:09   and so I way I of course I told neil [TS]

00:30:12   gaiman oh yes I solitary practical weeks [TS]

00:30:14   ago he said to tell you the color blue [TS]

00:30:16   is like we just like sending each other [TS]

00:30:18   random messages through fans sometimes [TS]

00:30:20   we just tell them to save random things [TS]

00:30:22   yeah i just thought that was so [TS]

00:30:24   delightful yeah oh well it's funny [TS]

00:30:28   because when you read good omens and the [TS]

00:30:31   first time I read it three hours ago how [TS]

00:30:33   nice these two people these people wrote [TS]

00:30:34   a book together i don't i wonder how [TS]

00:30:36   they did that and then on my way and I [TS]

00:30:40   was finishing up the Sandman run at the [TS]

00:30:41   time because Sandman was published like [TS]

00:30:44   89 296 and good omen came out 95 and so [TS]

00:30:47   I finished the same man run and then I [TS]

00:30:49   went back and reread it and there are a [TS]

00:30:52   lot of really nasty anti-human horrible [TS]

00:30:57   cold around the hard parts of of that [TS]

00:30:59   comic book series and after having read [TS]

00:31:01   like a about 10 more pratchett books and [TS]

00:31:05   having read consider more game and like [TS]

00:31:07   the next time I went through and read [TS]

00:31:08   good omens I'm like okay that's a given [TS]

00:31:10   passage that's a crypto-fascist I said [TS]

00:31:11   given passage that's and it's turned out [TS]

00:31:13   that's basically how they wrote as they [TS]

00:31:15   they would just take turns like and one [TS]

00:31:17   person who cranked out 10 pages they did [TS]

00:31:18   send it on to the person and they just [TS]

00:31:20   kind of naturally divvied up how things [TS]

00:31:21   were got written and you can tell who [TS]

00:31:24   was responsible for what parts just [TS]

00:31:25   based on you know what what stuff gets [TS]

00:31:27   flown in [TS]

00:31:28   is it angry and yet warm and humanists [TS]

00:31:30   and it's pratchett is it horrifying and [TS]

00:31:32   scar that it sends game the best part [TS]

00:31:35   about that is they talk about that [TS]

00:31:37   because people ask about it like signing [TS]

00:31:39   stuff and they because they wrote it so [TS]

00:31:40   early [TS]

00:31:41   they were they were sending floppy disks [TS]

00:31:43   to each other in the males because it [TS]

00:31:45   was the only way to do it because they [TS]

00:31:47   wrote it like the eighties and so like [TS]

00:31:50   Terry and Terry was still living in [TS]

00:31:51   Australia so they be sent fluffy it's [TS]

00:31:54   like a halfway across the world so great [TS]

00:31:58   and it got a the fact that it got done [TS]

00:32:00   is to me like amazing feet hip just [TS]

00:32:04   based on the amount of work that had to [TS]

00:32:05   go into that that was actually kind of [TS]

00:32:07   the problem with small are not small [TS]

00:32:09   gods a good moment for me was that I [TS]

00:32:10   couldn't I could see that there were two [TS]

00:32:12   different writers kind of feuding with [TS]

00:32:16   each other in the text and I couldn't [TS]

00:32:17   really square the 2 and and you know I I [TS]

00:32:21   wanted more of the pratchett side and I [TS]

00:32:22   was kind of annoyed that the game inside [TS]

00:32:24   kept popping in and trying to specifics [TS]

00:32:27   I think I'm ready young enough it didn't [TS]

00:32:31   bother me as much but i haven't reread [TS]

00:32:33   in awhile [TS]

00:32:34   yeah he said it sounded like you were [TS]

00:32:35   about to introduce the subject of [TS]

00:32:37   entirely other precious books which i [TS]

00:32:40   wanna i want to say i haven't read any [TS]

00:32:42   so this is basically if you guys have [TS]

00:32:44   read the the bromeliads or any of the [TS]

00:32:47   others i would love to hear about it [TS]

00:32:49   the wee free men or any of that stuff [TS]

00:32:51   the wii for all the wee free men or [TS]

00:32:53   disrupt this world [TS]

00:32:54   yeah it is discworld i don't i will say [TS]

00:32:55   those are amazing on the children's [TS]

00:32:57   books effects but they're wired books [TS]

00:32:59   there why it looks butts and [TS]

00:33:01   surprisingly you know as many ye books [TS]

00:33:04   are they have a state very adult strange [TS]

00:33:06   to them especially the later ones as [TS]

00:33:07   Tiffany starts approaching teenager [TS]

00:33:09   Tiffany aching books to a lot of little [TS]

00:33:11   little schoolgirls yeah i know that my [TS]

00:33:13   cousin who is a child's librarian is [TS]

00:33:15   also beyond those and shiny she loves [TS]

00:33:17   all the terry pratchett books by natural [TS]

00:33:19   recommend that well and I actually I [TS]

00:33:20   quite enjoy those they're really where [TS]

00:33:22   they're really great and you haven't [TS]

00:33:24   lived until you've teen scene to like my [TS]

00:33:25   cousin's kids at the time I think we're [TS]

00:33:27   maybe I don't know in still 14 so 10 or [TS]

00:33:31   seven or something like that and they [TS]

00:33:32   would go around the house what what we [TS]

00:33:34   like to do lads drink in and what else [TS]

00:33:37   fight in and what else steel in and what [TS]

00:33:41   else [TS]

00:33:42   drinking and fighting and stealing mr. [TS]

00:33:44   you have the macbook feegle huh [TS]

00:33:46   but I just in there in there [TS]

00:33:48   entertaining and those books are fun [TS]

00:33:49   especially I think winter Smith and I [TS]

00:33:51   shall wear midnight which start to get [TS]

00:33:54   into the more adult themes are really [TS]

00:33:57   really beautiful books and I think great [TS]

00:33:59   for kids of that you know especially [TS]

00:34:01   young women of that age I think because [TS]

00:34:03   she's she is such a great protagonist [TS]

00:34:05   like like Lisa was saying about you know [TS]

00:34:07   he doesn't do sort of throwaway female [TS]

00:34:10   characters especially in his later books [TS]

00:34:12   they all have very and you know they're [TS]

00:34:14   very well developed and they have [TS]

00:34:15   interesting stories and Tiffany in [TS]

00:34:16   particular i think is just such a [TS]

00:34:18   fantastic character [TS]

00:34:20   yeah i like the supporting which is so [TS]

00:34:21   too because they give a lot of know [TS]

00:34:23   there's the one who's a pig which that's [TS]

00:34:25   all she specializes in our pigs and [TS]

00:34:27   she's the first one of the other [TS]

00:34:28   boyfriend and they can't figure out onto [TS]

00:34:30   like always a hog farmer got it you know [TS]

00:34:32   that but I'm whipping through the [TS]

00:34:34   nondescript books strata is like a [TS]

00:34:37   serious discworld it's also very much [TS]

00:34:40   aight first book the bromeliad is so [TS]

00:34:45   great it makes me cry several times it's [TS]

00:34:48   about tiny people who live initially in [TS]

00:34:52   a giant department store and then they [TS]

00:34:55   find out there's another whole world out [TS]

00:34:57   there and it goes through three books of [TS]

00:35:01   them expanding their world and it's just [TS]

00:35:05   great i love it so much then there's the [TS]

00:35:08   Johnny Maxwell books which have at least [TS]

00:35:11   one of them has been made into a movie [TS]

00:35:12   that i was watching some of the other [TS]

00:35:14   day that's a johnny and the bomb johnny [TS]

00:35:16   and the dead and only you can save [TS]

00:35:17   mankind [TS]

00:35:19   they're fun they did not make me cry so [TS]

00:35:22   that is a plan is and then just recently [TS]

00:35:26   he started doing non discworld books [TS]

00:35:28   again which I thought was great I had [TS]

00:35:30   forgotten my nation nation is a [TS]

00:35:32   fantastic but all we have nation's great [TS]

00:35:34   i'm really glad that that was not [TS]

00:35:36   discworld because it shows that he could [TS]

00:35:38   do other stuff still when I was just [TS]

00:35:40   that was also just a lovely book it was [TS]

00:35:42   real and well-written and I really [TS]

00:35:44   enjoyed it and I had to kind of came out [TS]

00:35:47   of nowhere but i thought was fantastic i [TS]

00:35:50   had no idea he had so many other nobody [TS]

00:35:52   other types of books out there [TS]

00:35:53   yeah i'm excited now if only I actually [TS]

00:35:56   read [TS]

00:35:58   he just recently did a hard sci-fi book [TS]

00:36:01   the long earth and its sequel I can't [TS]

00:36:05   remember the long utopia I've got them [TS]

00:36:07   both waiting on my kindle or rather I've [TS]

00:36:09   got one pre-order the other was waiting [TS]

00:36:10   on my kindle family and I hadn't gotten [TS]

00:36:12   around to reading them Dodger which was [TS]

00:36:14   the other one which is sort of a net a [TS]

00:36:16   Dickens yeah that's I was not crazy [TS]

00:36:20   about dr. and I did not finish it [TS]

00:36:22   it is the only project book I haven't [TS]

00:36:24   finished it's basically him indulging [TS]

00:36:27   his taste for research about Victorian [TS]

00:36:29   England which he loves to do huh [TS]

00:36:32   but it's essentially fanfic about the [TS]

00:36:36   artful dodger [TS]

00:36:37   oh yeah i'm just looking at Wikipedia [TS]

00:36:38   page right now it's like down there is [TS]

00:36:40   so much stuff that I just have a [TS]

00:36:42   narrative is evil is the discworld stuff [TS]

00:36:44   which is actually kind of delightful [TS]

00:36:45   because one of the reasons I'm i was [TS]

00:36:48   very sad about his passing was and it [TS]

00:36:50   wasn't because sir terry was dead [TS]

00:36:52   because remember he was also really [TS]

00:36:54   vocal advocate for its dark grey to die [TS]

00:36:57   and you could tell that this was [TS]

00:37:01   actually the great tragedy of his life [TS]

00:37:02   was that he was losing the into that he [TS]

00:37:05   was losing the interior of his cellphone [TS]

00:37:07   and so hurry he's free from that burden [TS]

00:37:10   and that tragedy and and and that's [TS]

00:37:12   something to rejoice over what made me [TS]

00:37:14   sad was thinking I'm never going to meet [TS]

00:37:16   my favorite characters again [TS]

00:37:17   yeah you know I was kinda I was kind of [TS]

00:37:19   grieving the loss of not knowing who you [TS]

00:37:23   know how the witches of like we're gonna [TS]

00:37:25   shake out when Granny Weatherwax didn't [TS]

00:37:26   evitable die or what happened when she [TS]

00:37:28   finally did meet death and go with him [TS]

00:37:29   or you'll never find out if young-sam [TS]

00:37:33   vines grows up to go into the watcher if [TS]

00:37:35   he does something completely different [TS]

00:37:36   which you know is a question of his head [TS]

00:37:38   and so I was really sad about that but [TS]

00:37:39   on the other hand there's all these [TS]

00:37:41   practice books i haven't read and so now [TS]

00:37:42   i'm super excited about having an [TS]

00:37:44   opportunity to add to add more people as [TS]

00:37:46   it were to to my internal pratchett [TS]

00:37:48   society and he can't possibly have a lot [TS]

00:37:52   of works toward us it suggested there [TS]

00:37:54   are a couple others that there's a [TS]

00:37:56   Tiffany aching book coming out in 2015 i [TS]

00:37:58   think at some point that he finished [TS]

00:38:01   over the summer of 2014 and I think [TS]

00:38:03   that's the only one I know of [TS]

00:38:05   yeah and so I'm and beyond that I mean [TS]

00:38:07   he's also [TS]

00:38:09   you know he did some work with like [TS]

00:38:10   illustrated books i have a copy [TS]

00:38:12   somewhere hard huh cover of the the last [TS]

00:38:14   hero i love that world [TS]

00:38:17   yeah great I there's also like a slip of [TS]

00:38:21   the keyboard which I've got right here [TS]

00:38:22   because officially collected nonfiction [TS]

00:38:25   and it's mostly things he wrote for a [TS]

00:38:28   convention books [TS]

00:38:30   yeah one of those for one of the first [TS]

00:38:32   books about my daughter was worse my cal [TS]

00:38:34   it's not bad and i'm getting almost [TS]

00:38:39   every night at the same time for you to [TS]

00:38:41   really thank you know I have a redditor [TS]

00:38:43   yet because her worms where's my cow is [TS]

00:38:45   actually connected buddy for years and [TS]

00:38:47   years and years but I think now that [TS]

00:38:48   she's older and we can discuss the [TS]

00:38:50   pictures more we'll probably start [TS]

00:38:52   putting that in heavy rotation you know [TS]

00:38:53   there's a big difference between putting [TS]

00:38:54   it on the shelf and actually really into [TS]

00:38:56   the kid i'm interested in actually [TS]

00:38:59   introducing my kids to these books but [TS]

00:39:01   there they the kind of the word play [TS]

00:39:03   that and and the British and so that [TS]

00:39:05   always kind of impenetrable at their age [TS]

00:39:07   but eventually when the time is right I [TS]

00:39:10   will see them with with something i'm [TS]

00:39:12   not sure what yet but are you just gonna [TS]

00:39:13   catch you leave it out on the bottom [TS]

00:39:15   shelf ins and hope that they pick it up [TS]

00:39:16   or even gonna mention that will never [TS]

00:39:18   work i'll never pick it up along the way [TS]

00:39:20   and do what they want tell them you are [TS]

00:39:21   not allowed to read this [TS]

00:39:23   everyone whatever you do don't yeah I [TS]

00:39:26   think that's it whatever you do don't [TS]

00:39:27   read it but if I can come up with a [TS]

00:39:31   decent elevator pitch [TS]

00:39:32   I can usually convince my daughter at [TS]

00:39:34   least ya something sounds vaguely [TS]

00:39:37   intriguing to her she'll give it a go at [TS]

00:39:39   the very least but I think it's gonna [TS]

00:39:41   have to wait a while until she can [TS]

00:39:42   really appreciate it [TS]

00:39:43   yeah this is actually something I was [TS]

00:39:45   giving some thought to is throughout [TS]

00:39:48   elementary school and beyond i did a lot [TS]

00:39:50   of sneak reading where I would just kind [TS]

00:39:51   of casually pull books out of my [TS]

00:39:53   mother's sack of library books or i [TS]

00:39:54   would find whatever they were reading my [TS]

00:39:56   parents are reading and hide in the [TS]

00:39:57   closet read it which is how i got ahold [TS]

00:39:59   of the Godfather in third grade but but [TS]

00:40:03   the point is my parents left books [TS]

00:40:04   around the house a lot like like we had [TS]

00:40:06   a huge bookshelves the living room and I [TS]

00:40:09   was thinking about this and I was like I [TS]

00:40:11   have a lot of books on my kindle I have [TS]

00:40:12   no idea how my kids going to sneak read [TS]

00:40:14   stuff that's explicitly tied to one [TS]

00:40:15   device [TS]

00:40:16   mm you got to leave Kindles spread [TS]

00:40:18   around the house in fact [TS]

00:40:20   we only one only one book on any of them [TS]

00:40:23   yeah i was lucky that I didn't have to [TS]

00:40:24   sneak books we had a official rule in my [TS]

00:40:27   house that if a book is on a bookcase [TS]

00:40:29   it's public property and anyone to read [TS]

00:40:31   it [TS]

00:40:32   no i took the godfather of my father's [TS]

00:40:33   nightstands that should tell you [TS]

00:40:34   everything in the book to help me god [TS]

00:40:36   you're lucky that's what you came out [TS]

00:40:37   with ya [TS]

00:40:38   Oh could have been a lot of hours one of [TS]

00:40:41   the books i remember reading was Allan [TS]

00:40:44   Sherman you know the novelty song guy [TS]

00:40:47   who did [TS]

00:40:47   hello muddah hello faddah and he wrote a [TS]

00:40:50   book called the rape of the AP e for [TS]

00:40:52   American pure American Puritan ethic and [TS]

00:40:56   it's just a semi comedic history of the [TS]

00:41:00   sexual revolution my goodness I wow yeah [TS]

00:41:04   so I want to know what age it would you [TS]

00:41:06   read that I don't remember I got to I [TS]

00:41:09   got to port noise complaint at a very [TS]

00:41:11   early stage should explain a lot [TS]

00:41:15   I tried partners complaint after reading [TS]

00:41:17   it being mentioned in a Woody Allen [TS]

00:41:19   short story reminds me we also had a [TS]

00:41:23   copy of everything you ever wanted to [TS]

00:41:24   know about sex but were afraid to ask [TS]

00:41:25   laying around the house and uh huh went [TS]

00:41:28   back to that one a few times that was it [TS]

00:41:31   that was actually a joke gift to my [TS]

00:41:32   sister but it was no joke to me brother [TS]

00:41:34   so I really just gonna leave stacks [TS]

00:41:37   approach it lying around the house for [TS]

00:41:38   people trip over is that is that were to [TS]

00:41:40   try and bring this family like this back [TS]

00:41:43   onto topic I don't have kids but I've [TS]

00:41:45   effectively done that already [TS]

00:41:47   yeah well there you go on to your home [TS]

00:41:49   but I think I still just trying to [TS]

00:41:50   convince more friends of mine to read [TS]

00:41:52   terry pratchett because I feel like a [TS]

00:41:53   lot of them were not is into like [TS]

00:41:55   especially I think as a kid I definitely [TS]

00:41:57   like tried because a lot of my friends [TS]

00:41:59   were were also nerds and read a lot of [TS]

00:42:01   fantasy and I you know like Douglas [TS]

00:42:02   Adams and all that stuff so I i tried to [TS]

00:42:04   sort of spread them around with with [TS]

00:42:06   mixed results but my family in [TS]

00:42:08   particular like several of my cousins I [TS]

00:42:09   mean we were texting when we found out [TS]

00:42:11   that he had died [TS]

00:42:12   you're all there are lots of sad emoji [TS]

00:42:14   let's put it that way and so you know my [TS]

00:42:17   particular my cousins library and she's [TS]

00:42:19   just she I think Terry Pratchett maybe [TS]

00:42:20   her favorite author at least tied with [TS]

00:42:23   if not before Charles taken so i think [TS]

00:42:25   that's that's pretty good pretty good [TS]

00:42:27   right there [TS]

00:42:27   yeah that's good company that's great [TS]

00:42:29   yeah well to that and we should probably [TS]

00:42:32   go into detail on what we think would be [TS]

00:42:34   good entry points for people who might [TS]

00:42:35   be listening you know and trying to get [TS]

00:42:37   into discworld or some other pratchett [TS]

00:42:38   because it's a pretty sizable body of [TS]

00:42:42   work that you're going out there so yeah [TS]

00:42:44   I i think there's I mean there are [TS]

00:42:46   certainly some plot lines that go [TS]

00:42:48   throughout them i do as we said at the [TS]

00:42:50   beginning I don't think you have to [TS]

00:42:51   start in any like chronologically I [TS]

00:42:53   don't think really makes any sense i [TS]

00:42:54   think going in sort of the the the the [TS]

00:42:56   mini arcs you know I think are good [TS]

00:42:59   places I think I mean it seems to me [TS]

00:43:01   guards guards guys got away pretty good [TS]

00:43:03   entry point that's kind of the one that [TS]

00:43:05   I always start people on [TS]

00:43:07   yeah I've had some good success with [TS]

00:43:08   that I've had people go on from guards [TS]

00:43:10   guards and continue with other book an [TS]

00:43:12   or if you wanted to try you can always [TS]

00:43:14   try Weird Sisters and then which is [TS]

00:43:16   abroad and then masquerade [TS]

00:43:19   that skips over lords and ladies wigs [TS]

00:43:22   that you're ready the 1i I start people [TS]

00:43:24   with lords and ladies [TS]

00:43:25   oh god the scene where nanny ogg faces [TS]

00:43:28   off against current in the Hornet God [TS]

00:43:29   and he's like he's like your regard [TS]

00:43:31   would make it about aps cry and envy and [TS]

00:43:34   i just love your right but there's the [TS]

00:43:37   four witches books not 34 there's the [TS]

00:43:40   you do a cluster the witches books are [TS]

00:43:42   you do a cluster of the guards book [TS]

00:43:43   starting with guards guards and there's [TS]

00:43:45   men-at-arms feet of clay [TS]

00:43:46   yeah the reason I go guards guards [TS]

00:43:48   generally because it's the first in the [TS]

00:43:50   city watch series so you don't remember [TS]

00:43:52   a lot of background knowledge on the [TS]

00:43:53   characters x is kind of a bastard who [TS]

00:43:55   kind of makes good which is it is a [TS]

00:43:57   plotline that everybody loves and it's [TS]

00:44:00   it's also it doesn't require a lot of [TS]

00:44:02   Discworld background either its yeah [TS]

00:44:03   right in the fantasy tropes and stuff [TS]

00:44:06   like that i mean i just to my mind I [TS]

00:44:07   think the thing I always remember from [TS]

00:44:09   that is it's a million-to-one shot but [TS]

00:44:11   it just might work and also doesn't [TS]

00:44:15   romanticize dragons which is a nice way [TS]

00:44:17   to define people's concerns about [TS]

00:44:18   fantasy because they're like oh crisis [TS]

00:44:20   people riding unicorns and talking to [TS]

00:44:21   dragons like know the dragons are awful [TS]

00:44:23   fit or they explode one of the other [TS]

00:44:26   things i mean i think if you're starting [TS]

00:44:28   younger readers i honestly would say the [TS]

00:44:29   Tiffany aching books i think are a good [TS]

00:44:31   entry point because they're you know [TS]

00:44:33   they are targeted younger readers but [TS]

00:44:34   there they are firmly rooted in [TS]

00:44:36   discworld as well so you know I think [TS]

00:44:39   that that's a that's a pretty good place [TS]

00:44:40   to start if you're he was trying to [TS]

00:44:42   start the young folks let's take a break [TS]

00:44:44   so i can tell you about the [TS]

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00:46:41   go anywhere so yeah we've given people [TS]

00:46:44   33 plausible entry points and i actually [TS]

00:46:47   like actually like goin postal as an [TS]

00:46:49   entry point as well now that's a good [TS]

00:46:51   one too [TS]

00:46:52   I don't know how you guys feel about the [TS]

00:46:53   moist stories but i think that's a good [TS]

00:46:54   its kind of self-contained doesn't [TS]

00:46:56   require a lot of background [TS]

00:46:58   and and again moist is it is you know an [TS]

00:47:00   irredeemable character who manages to [TS]

00:47:01   redeem himself through sheer audacity [TS]

00:47:03   which I think people tend to like I also [TS]

00:47:05   thought that going postal TV special if [TS]

00:47:08   I don't think they also seen it was [TS]

00:47:10   actually pretty good [TS]

00:47:11   oh you know another one you could [TS]

00:47:12   actually start people on would be [TS]

00:47:13   hogfather no yeah just because you don't [TS]

00:47:16   need a whole lot of background they give [TS]

00:47:18   you plenty of it and it does such a [TS]

00:47:20   great job of cheerfully puncturing like [TS]

00:47:22   the mary poppins myth at the same time [TS]

00:47:24   that it talks about the importance of [TS]

00:47:26   belief and it sends a sense of the [TS]

00:47:28   sentiment about the holidays and it is [TS]

00:47:30   very self-contained to feel like you [TS]

00:47:31   really need to understand the character [TS]

00:47:33   of death already though to properly on [TS]

00:47:35   that book I mean they might they might [TS]

00:47:37   enjoy it but I don't think they would [TS]

00:47:38   enjoy it as much as if they had already [TS]

00:47:40   seen death in action in previous books a [TS]

00:47:42   mortise more it's pretty good yeah mark [TS]

00:47:44   is only the fourth book so there's not a [TS]

00:47:46   lot of backstory to fight through and [TS]

00:47:49   it's lots of death [TS]

00:47:51   yeah-huh grades but that is great now i [TS]

00:47:55   just say you're sorry i meant lots of [TS]

00:47:57   death of the lowercase T that's just [TS]

00:47:59   remember what I have a recollection of [TS]

00:48:00   teeth feeling somewhat unsatisfied with [TS]

00:48:02   more if I felt like the end was kind of [TS]

00:48:04   weak but well it's not as great as hyper [TS]

00:48:05   man but I don't want to jump people [TS]

00:48:07   straight to reprogram yeah reprimanding [TS]

00:48:09   hard one to jump in on just like I [TS]

00:48:10   dearly love I dearly love as I mentioned [TS]

00:48:13   small gods but i don't think i would try [TS]

00:48:14   to introduce people to that because i [TS]

00:48:16   think i would probably prefer that they [TS]

00:48:17   go for one that has you know future [TS]

00:48:20   tales in that particular sub arc so that [TS]

00:48:23   they have somewhere to go immediately [TS]

00:48:24   afterwards I i recommend small gods to [TS]

00:48:27   people who are resolute anti fantasy [TS]

00:48:29   snobs to say no no this is just a great [TS]

00:48:31   way to talk about you know religion the [TS]

00:48:33   context of fantasy and here's how it's [TS]

00:48:34   done well as a seat haha but I'm glad [TS]

00:48:40   we've recommended everything but the [TS]

00:48:41   Richmond books 20 i really like the [TS]

00:48:45   ridgewood works actually those are my [TS]

00:48:46   favorite III I remember as a kid having [TS]

00:48:49   read the original to and then just [TS]

00:48:51   waiting and being like I remember as a [TS]

00:48:53   teenager being so dissatisfied like oh [TS]

00:48:55   another Terry pressure book but this was [TS]

00:48:57   not about the Wizards I don't like this [TS]

00:48:58   and then when you finally got when it [TS]

00:49:01   was Eric yeah Eric resource really great [TS]

00:49:04   was rinsing but he's the sorceries I [TS]

00:49:07   mean the colour of magic light fantastic [TS]

00:49:08   and sorcery were the first three books i [TS]

00:49:10   read [TS]

00:49:10   and sorcery I think even as a kid I [TS]

00:49:12   could tell sorcery was a different type [TS]

00:49:15   of book than the first two [TS]

00:49:16   it's a little bit more serious it's [TS]

00:49:19   always just not quite as like gagging [TS]

00:49:21   minute type thing although i will say [TS]

00:49:23   that of my life i do think the luggage [TS]

00:49:25   is one of my favorite constructions in [TS]

00:49:27   the terry pratchett universe because [TS]

00:49:28   it's just great and indestructible [TS]

00:49:31   so yeah I i enjoy that one and i think [TS]

00:49:34   you know some of the later ones not as [TS]

00:49:37   good i think rincewind is kind of a he's [TS]

00:49:39   a hard character you get behind because [TS]

00:49:40   such a resolute coward [TS]

00:49:42   that's what I really love the last [TS]

00:49:44   continent where like he meets this is [TS]

00:49:46   what is basically his alternate life [TS]

00:49:47   we're already so is is hailed as a god [TS]

00:49:49   among fellow wizards and life would be [TS]

00:49:53   peachy further if you just stayed there [TS]

00:49:54   and he can't and I i just really that [TS]

00:49:58   was one rides I've only read it [TS]

00:50:00   um I've read i think one and a half [TS]

00:50:03   times because the two flower stuff at [TS]

00:50:05   the end is an unspeakably sad I have a [TS]

00:50:07   vague recollection to that I was just [TS]

00:50:09   excited that we were going back to rich [TS]

00:50:11   wind out of nowhere but because they say [TS]

00:50:13   i just started with the original book so [TS]

00:50:16   in the back of my head I still feel like [TS]

00:50:18   rincewind is the star of the discworld [TS]

00:50:20   but ya know even though he's clearly not [TS]

00:50:24   oh wait now I'm so you know I just [TS]

00:50:25   realized next mr. interesting times just [TS]

00:50:27   the one I've only read like oh I've only [TS]

00:50:30   been able to skim after reading it the [TS]

00:50:31   one time because that's its hard working [TS]

00:50:33   and then and then the book about [TS]

00:50:36   scholarly is it's the last continent is [TS]

00:50:38   is both funny but like I really come on [TS]

00:50:40   Prince whenever that's it oh I have a [TS]

00:50:46   question because this this came up again [TS]

00:50:47   at a party went to this afternoon [TS]

00:50:48   pure bits where do you guys stand on [TS]

00:50:50   pyramids dump-down actually if not have [TS]

00:50:54   not read pyramids [TS]

00:50:55   that's one of the few i've never stand [TS]

00:50:57   alones I'm red I don't have a strong [TS]

00:50:59   recollection of that but I remember [TS]

00:51:00   thinking it was pretty good but then I [TS]

00:51:02   read it on my honeymoon in Fiji so mad [TS]

00:51:05   that could help i thought it was working [TS]

00:51:09   way too hard to say here's a real-world [TS]

00:51:11   thing i'm going to put into my fantasy [TS]

00:51:13   world and see how it works i was now [TS]

00:51:16   we're just getting started Monty [TS]

00:51:19   fit those are usually my least favorite [TS]

00:51:23   I like moist a lot but I'm not that [TS]

00:51:26   interested in the mechanics of i'm going [TS]

00:51:29   to introduce a financial system into the [TS]

00:51:31   discworld watch me do economics didn't [TS]

00:51:35   that pyramids just felt like that to me [TS]

00:51:37   I was not really into it at all feel [TS]

00:51:39   like we would be remiss if we end this [TS]

00:51:41   podcast without mentioning gasps bowed [TS]

00:51:43   who is probably my favorite character [TS]

00:51:45   haha oh yeah but also gasps boat so did [TS]

00:51:49   you like the ending of the book or gas [TS]

00:51:50   board runs away from the loving family [TS]

00:51:52   and was like now [TS]

00:51:54   oh yeah i forgot he appeared in that [TS]

00:51:56   many books too I remember him from the [TS]

00:51:57   truth mean like but yeah yeah I always [TS]

00:52:00   enjoy and I forget which book it is and [TS]

00:52:02   it's a totally throw a line where the [TS]

00:52:04   pot prostitutes of ankh-morpork RR [TS]

00:52:06   renegotiating the street the street [TS]

00:52:08   negotiable affection and for some reason [TS]

00:52:11   the quick the corporate euphemism just [TS]

00:52:13   by I can't remember I can't remember the [TS]

00:52:15   book but the corporation's just stuck [TS]

00:52:16   with me and it actually comes up again [TS]

00:52:19   later when that because I think they're [TS]

00:52:21   also called the guild of seamstresses at [TS]

00:52:23   some point too because when Agnes it [TS]

00:52:25   comes from longer to make her fortune in [TS]

00:52:28   ankh-morpork sheet she figures she can [TS]

00:52:30   take some for embroidery down there and [TS]

00:52:31   then she doesn't know that is not what [TS]

00:52:33   they do they put to embroidery they [TS]

00:52:35   don't so see that's one of the jokes [TS]

00:52:37   that's based on the real world is based [TS]

00:52:39   on Seattle yeah let's settle was founded [TS]

00:52:43   there are a lot of prostitutes because [TS]

00:52:45   this was a city where people would stop [TS]

00:52:48   off on their way to the alaskan gold [TS]

00:52:49   rush and they're adjusting the shocking [TS]

00:52:52   number of seamstresses in this city [TS]

00:52:54   he also mentioned the Seattle the [TS]

00:52:55   tunnels to yeah and he took that [TS]

00:52:58   shocking number of seamstresses thing [TS]

00:53:00   and elaborated it so that there would i [TS]

00:53:03   think it was his joke where there was a [TS]

00:53:05   census there were 50,000 seamstresses [TS]

00:53:08   and one sewing needle there's a there's [TS]

00:53:13   an excellent wikipedia page by the way [TS]

00:53:15   of our guild of ankh-morpork which is [TS]

00:53:18   quite long [TS]

00:53:21   it's strangely enough but I was gonna [TS]

00:53:24   say bye I you know I think one of the [TS]

00:53:26   things i do love the most about a carrot [TS]

00:53:29   is all the the secondary characters so I [TS]

00:53:31   was thinking of for example cup cut my [TS]

00:53:34   own throat a blur [TS]

00:53:35   yeah was one of my favorite like random [TS]

00:53:38   characters who appears all the time and [TS]

00:53:41   uh I think veterinary pretty in [TS]

00:53:44   particular who is among my very very [TS]

00:53:45   favorite characters because he is so [TS]

00:53:48   good he's just written so well and his [TS]

00:53:52   relationship with vines in particular [TS]

00:53:54   it's just always fascinating to watch [TS]

00:53:56   and he's you know he's sort of evil but [TS]

00:53:59   not really evil i'm rereading colour of [TS]

00:54:02   magic right now and its really [TS]

00:54:04   disconcerting to see a patrician in [TS]

00:54:07   there that I don't think is veterinary [TS]

00:54:09   yes [TS]

00:54:10   yeah i think it's implied at some point [TS]

00:54:12   that it's not yeah well there was a [TS]

00:54:13   discussion on health and prep this is [TS]

00:54:15   from the annotated patch of pilot and [TS]

00:54:17   not just remembering it there's a [TS]

00:54:19   discussion Cratchit in nineteen nineties [TS]

00:54:21   two or three about whether this was the [TS]

00:54:23   same character and terry pratchett [TS]

00:54:25   posted have to say yeah that's the same [TS]

00:54:28   character and people argued with him [TS]

00:54:30   saying that the same character you know [TS]

00:54:32   you just wrote it and Terry offered a [TS]

00:54:35   compromise which is the early patrician [TS]

00:54:38   is the same character but written by a [TS]

00:54:40   worse author that is terry pratchett a [TS]

00:54:45   nutshell [TS]

00:54:46   well in AI i will say that my one issue [TS]

00:54:48   with it is in the in the TV adaptation [TS]

00:54:51   of colour of magic [TS]

00:54:53   Jeremy Irons plays the patrician and [TS]

00:54:57   it's he doesn't take I don't know maybe [TS]

00:55:00   it's just me being upset because does [TS]

00:55:01   not match my my person my you know [TS]

00:55:04   internal image of veterinary but he [TS]

00:55:06   comes across as like he makes him look [TS]

00:55:08   strangely offended or something it's [TS]

00:55:11   just really weird strange delivery and [TS]

00:55:14   then whoever it is that they get to play [TS]

00:55:16   man goin postal is actually much better [TS]

00:55:17   and does like the sort of slightly [TS]

00:55:19   sinister but generally well-meaning [TS]

00:55:23   style yeah much better there there's [TS]

00:55:26   something I think the patrician will be [TS]

00:55:28   with a lower my favorite recurring [TS]

00:55:30   character just because I I like how he's [TS]

00:55:32   always just very casually sitting on [TS]

00:55:34   circumstances that he knows and nobody [TS]

00:55:36   else knows you know when he when it [TS]

00:55:39   turns out he's locked in a cell and he [TS]

00:55:41   organizes the rats snakes and scorpions [TS]

00:55:43   into warring factions and advises them [TS]

00:55:45   on how to and how do warfare against [TS]

00:55:47   each other [TS]

00:55:48   oh and i realized that raising steam is [TS]

00:55:51   not a favorite described for some of you [TS]

00:55:53   but when it turns out he's actually been [TS]

00:55:54   shoveling coal on the scene changes [TS]

00:55:56   again just to get a feel for it turns [TS]

00:55:59   out the veterinary in the goin postal [TS]

00:56:01   adaptation was played by Charles dance [TS]

00:56:03   you may remember when Lana yes that's [TS]

00:56:06   right [TS]

00:56:07   apparently according to terry pratchett [TS]

00:56:09   his choice to play them was alan rickman [TS]

00:56:11   who of course would have been amazing i [TS]

00:56:15   love the patrician I one-man one-vote [TS]

00:56:17   one-man one-vote he's the end of the [TS]

00:56:18   vote and I enjoyed that he had he throws [TS]

00:56:20   mines in a scorpion fit with with it [TS]

00:56:22   with the legend and blazing reading [TS]

00:56:23   learn the words I yeah I like that but I [TS]

00:56:26   hate I may read these books too much i [TS]

00:56:29   hate the very next line of that book [TS]

00:56:32   which is because mine for silent but [TS]

00:56:35   deadly to his mood [TS]

00:56:37   oh come on Terry what is then they're [TS]

00:56:41   not all going to be winners Monty amount [TS]

00:56:43   of time looking at 14 year old who knows [TS]

00:56:45   that he could he who's like I could be [TS]

00:56:47   sophisticated now like I think I think [TS]

00:56:49   that he does have some of these things [TS]

00:56:50   that the younger audience to get them [TS]

00:56:52   interested and then they'll rise up to [TS]

00:56:53   the material as it happens to I was a [TS]

00:56:56   younger audience when i read that [TS]

00:56:58   ah well you're just exception refine [TS]

00:57:00   them maybe they didn't notice the joke [TS]

00:57:02   the first few times I read it and then [TS]

00:57:04   noticing it and everything click into [TS]

00:57:06   place enraged me know there's something [TS]

00:57:08   veterinary says in the truth that I say [TS]

00:57:10   at work all the time which is that [TS]

00:57:12   people don't want the news they want the [TS]

00:57:13   olds and I think it's a very end and I [TS]

00:57:18   realized it was kicking around newsrooms [TS]

00:57:19   before veterinary said it but i actually [TS]

00:57:22   heard from veterinary before I heard [TS]

00:57:23   from any other working reporter or [TS]

00:57:25   editor so like I I appreciate that it's [TS]

00:57:28   it since help me when I'm pitching [TS]

00:57:30   stories know very well this is yeah what [TS]

00:57:34   you can learn from terry pratchett yeah [TS]

00:57:36   how you can apply terry pratchett to [TS]

00:57:38   your own working career mostly just keep [TS]

00:57:40   working [TS]

00:57:41   yes people compare him to douglas adams [TS]

00:57:43   because they were both little funny [TS]

00:57:45   british people douglas adams wrote like [TS]

00:57:47   seven books [TS]

00:57:48   yeah douglas adams never met a deadline [TS]

00:57:50   and terry pratchett has been writing two [TS]

00:57:52   books a year yet Terry Pratchett never [TS]

00:57:55   met a deadline he couldn't he could [TS]

00:57:56   knock over and sleep [TS]

00:57:58   yeah what I saw him speak he credited [TS]

00:58:00   his early training is both a journalist [TS]

00:58:02   as a PR man for a nuclear power plant [TS]

00:58:04   and he said well you have a chance you [TS]

00:58:06   had to meet them and you had to learn [TS]

00:58:07   how to get out of the way of your own [TS]

00:58:08   head and just get the job done and again [TS]

00:58:11   useful advice for any career you know [TS]

00:58:13   you have deadlines you have to meet them [TS]

00:58:15   get out of your head and get the job [TS]

00:58:16   done several this is my am I was [TS]

00:58:20   thinking you need if you were to [TS]

00:58:22   recommend off there's it in the yawning [TS]

00:58:25   wake since there will be no more new [TS]

00:58:26   terry pratchett books and we will all [TS]

00:58:27   eventually reach the end of peppermint [TS]

00:58:29   he's Britain so far what other authors [TS]

00:58:31   would you recommend when do you like [TS]

00:58:33   terry pratchett so you like X XYZ and is [TS]

00:58:37   there anybody working who is white [TS]

00:58:39   arafat shit [TS]

00:58:40   well i was going to say the things is [TS]

00:58:41   christopher moore comes pretty close for [TS]

00:58:43   me but he's also a dude who puts out of [TS]

00:58:44   a book like once every three to four [TS]

00:58:46   years so but yeah i would recommend [TS]

00:58:49   Christopher more for the same he's you [TS]

00:58:53   know for the same oh he starts off doing [TS]

00:58:55   you know juvenile comedic fantasy and [TS]

00:58:57   then has his work has become much more [TS]

00:58:59   thoughtful and nuanced and social [TS]

00:59:01   commentary over time while still also [TS]

00:59:03   being communicated in fantastic i'm [TS]

00:59:06   trying to think of another another [TS]

00:59:08   writer that I think works in a similar [TS]

00:59:10   vein but I think that's it's such it's a [TS]

00:59:13   very small niche and I think he you know [TS]

00:59:16   for years for decades dominated it [TS]

00:59:18   because I Amy Adams would be the closest [TS]

00:59:21   sort of analog in terms of this writing [TS]

00:59:22   style but I can't think of you know [TS]

00:59:26   someone else working the same in fact i [TS]

00:59:27   know i know an agent in particular who [TS]

00:59:29   really is a big terry pratchett fan and [TS]

00:59:31   it's like I'm trying to get people to be [TS]

00:59:32   more things like that you know humorous [TS]

00:59:35   fantasy but there's just not that much [TS]

00:59:36   out there and so that was my problem i [TS]

00:59:38   used to read everything that was labeled [TS]

00:59:40   as humorous fantasy until the day [TS]

00:59:43   somewhere around the 11th or 12th and [TS]

00:59:46   the book when I realized just because I [TS]

00:59:48   like some things in this genre doesn't [TS]

00:59:50   mean I have to read everything and [TS]

00:59:52   everything I can set down the jaundice [TS]

00:59:54   chancy and move on with my life [TS]

00:59:57   there are a couple books in particular i [TS]

00:59:58   was thinking [TS]

00:59:58   was thinking [TS]

01:00:00   say nothing of the dog by connie willis [TS]

01:00:01   has been sort of humorous it's signed [TS]

01:00:05   more sci-fi than fantasy but it has that [TS]

01:00:07   sort of same humor mixed with an actual [TS]

01:00:09   plot bellwether by her as well which is [TS]

01:00:13   all i think also a pretty good [TS]

01:00:14   recommendation when John was funny [TS]

01:00:17   yeah that's it that's a really good book [TS]

01:00:18   they suggest that you know one of his [TS]

01:00:21   literary influences might have been a PG [TS]

01:00:23   Woodhouse who i love and would always [TS]

01:00:25   suggest that that's pure humor [TS]

01:00:27   oh yeah that's that's a good pick [TS]

01:00:29   because it's funny and also if you like [TS]

01:00:31   terry pratchett you're ok with an author [TS]

01:00:33   having a million books [TS]

01:00:35   here's another author without me only in [TS]

01:00:37   books [TS]

01:00:38   I'm on board with that you like [TS]

01:00:39   pratchett jump out of fantasy read [TS]

01:00:41   Woodhouse ya can't go wrong with the PG [TS]

01:00:45   Wodehouse I don't know who else in terms [TS]

01:00:47   of I feel like it's we you know someone [TS]

01:00:50   someone else should be working in this [TS]

01:00:52   area [TS]

01:00:52   yeah well I think we should actually [TS]

01:00:54   wind down for this has been an hour of [TS]

01:00:56   us holding a virtual wake to terry [TS]

01:00:58   pratchett and sharing and then try to [TS]

01:01:01   him would read next officer [TS]

01:01:02   oh no back everyday brachet yeah I [TS]

01:01:06   started over with colour of magic [TS]

01:01:09   yeah i may or may not be planning to [TS]

01:01:11   read the entire series all over again I [TS]

01:01:14   reread steam last night and what I found [TS]

01:01:17   really striking about steam work how [TS]

01:01:18   many cameos show up there's a throwaway [TS]

01:01:21   line about how they have a clock stare [TS]

01:01:23   up in Lancre and the witches fly up [TS]

01:01:25   there to share coffee with the collects [TS]

01:01:26   operators and there's also another king [TS]

01:01:30   barons and migrate or sending you know [TS]

01:01:31   classes saying and when may we expect a [TS]

01:01:33   a train station because we need to join [TS]

01:01:35   our rightful place on the world stage [TS]

01:01:37   and so I was like that's a little bit of [TS]

01:01:40   a shout out and they're there are some [TS]

01:01:42   other callbacks mentioned to one of the [TS]

01:01:47   characters who was in it wasn't going [TS]

01:01:49   it wasn't snuff and then I go back of [TS]

01:01:52   course to revolt and you've got Lady [TS]

01:01:53   Margaret lotta but you realize if he [TS]

01:01:55   ended you know if he if he could no [TS]

01:01:58   longer write books and he didn't wrap up [TS]

01:02:00   every single character people would be [TS]

01:02:02   upset [TS]

01:02:03   yeah yeah what happened my favorite [TS]

01:02:05   character [TS]

01:02:06   it had the feeling of a season finale if [TS]

01:02:08   that makes sense where ya [TS]

01:02:09   as it's the whole book the theme of the [TS]

01:02:11   whole book is things change progress [TS]

01:02:13   happens [TS]

01:02:14   hooray for human inventiveness please [TS]

01:02:16   always fight against small-mindedness [TS]

01:02:18   it's like it's like you know he was [TS]

01:02:20   saying I don't have a whole lot of time [TS]

01:02:21   to to say these things are important to [TS]

01:02:23   me so I'm gonna I'm just gonna get that [TS]

01:02:25   all out there right now I'm not a whole [TS]

01:02:26   lot of subtlety here you go but i wanted [TS]

01:02:29   to know how grieve over the cat ended up [TS]

01:02:30   Greivis the greatest the thing that [TS]

01:02:34   threw me about raising seems i realized [TS]

01:02:36   that early in discworld there would be [TS]

01:02:39   stories like soul music or moving [TS]

01:02:41   pictures where something from the real [TS]

01:02:44   world impinges on the discworld there's [TS]

01:02:47   a plot about it and then it leaves but [TS]

01:02:50   recently things like the clacks and now [TS]

01:02:54   an actual steam engine have just been [TS]

01:02:57   coming to discworld and staying and [TS]

01:02:59   fundamentally changing it that i don't [TS]

01:03:02   know how i feel about discworld changing [TS]

01:03:04   like that [TS]

01:03:05   well you can always go back to the [TS]

01:03:06   original and then just it's it's back to [TS]

01:03:08   where it was [TS]

01:03:09   I'm gonna get you guys are back [TS]

01:03:13   hey Jason hit Jason what's your favorite [TS]

01:03:16   Terry Pratchett but the one here at i [TS]

01:03:19   regard to earth was pretty good I I you [TS]

01:03:21   guys mentioned Tiffany aching earlier [TS]

01:03:23   and my one piece of of information that [TS]

01:03:26   i was going to pass on is that is that [TS]

01:03:28   just as dance relative whose [TS]

01:03:30   relationship i can't remember whose the [TS]

01:03:32   children's librarian likes those my wife [TS]

01:03:35   is also a children's librarian likes [TS]

01:03:37   those books very much and it looks like [TS]

01:03:38   there is that one last Tiffany aching [TS]

01:03:41   book coming out so that's that's [TS]

01:03:43   something because she really loved those [TS]

01:03:44   books too and she be on this episode [TS]

01:03:46   except she's traveling and it would be [TS]

01:03:48   her first uncomfortable episode but alas [TS]

01:03:50   any last thoughts before before we wrap [TS]

01:03:53   it up [TS]

01:03:53   don't hesitate to pick us on Twitter for [TS]

01:03:55   more fragile yeah for 30 years I have [TS]

01:03:59   been looking in the pratchett section of [TS]

01:04:01   the bookstore every time I go in just in [TS]

01:04:03   case there's a new book there and since [TS]

01:04:06   the Internet has shown up that's been [TS]

01:04:08   less necessary because I know when a [TS]

01:04:09   book is due but I checking anyway [TS]

01:04:12   mhm i'm probably going to keep checking [TS]

01:04:14   the head forever [TS]

01:04:17   alright this has been a fitting tribute [TS]

01:04:19   and I'm I'm glad you guys could be here [TS]

01:04:21   for it [TS]

01:04:22   so now it comes time for me to thank the [TS]

01:04:24   people you just listen to talk about [TS]

01:04:26   terry pratchett for the last hour [TS]

01:04:27   Monty actually thank you very much thank [TS]

01:04:30   you Jason Lieser Schmeisser thank you [TS]

01:04:32   thank you Steve let's thank you very [TS]

01:04:36   much my pleasure jason hope this is the [TS]

01:04:37   last one of these we have to do for more [TS]

01:04:39   tributes nope that's it everybody is [TS]

01:04:41   going to stop time please stop stop with [TS]

01:04:43   that I take a holiday def yep even that [TS]

01:04:45   way stop the tributes of them straight [TS]

01:04:46   to malice and then work thank you i was [TS]

01:04:50   good to be here and that's it for this [TS]

01:04:52   episode of the uncomfortable [TS]

01:04:53   thanks for listening we will see you [TS]

01:04:55   next time [TS]