The Talk Show

92: ‘That New Laptop Smell’, With Joanna Stern


00:00:00   breaking news this is Steve Ballmer step down from the Microsoft Word I did I did [TS]

00:00:05   I love him so much so it's hard for me I'm kinda happy for him though because I [TS]

00:00:09   feel like I've already he's already got like a big new thing he's found he's [TS]

00:00:17   found his next windows you know yet did you see the video of him at the like [TS]

00:00:23   he's gonna be such a great Clippers fans don't have to do to get it i mean it is [TS]

00:00:29   just could have been like this probably what he should have been doing for [TS]

00:00:33   twenty years I i do I kind of I do kind of feel like that I do and I feel I need [TS]

00:00:39   to know as a Yankees fan I'm partial to the bigger than life [TS]

00:00:46   owner George Steinbrenner which is exactly what bomber is except maybe he's [TS]

00:00:50   maybe a little little bit believe it or not a little bit less angry I think the [TS]

00:01:00   guy goes how to keep his cool though never seen the video on YouTube where [TS]

00:01:04   he's at like a German press conference and somebody throws something at him [TS]

00:01:10   oh yeah yeah and he does he completely unfazed like it doesn't really bother [TS]

00:01:15   him right you know and he just like keeps pouting Microsoft propaganda and [TS]

00:01:21   Mike it doesn't really matter at all to him that he just got hit in the face by [TS]

00:01:24   some German yeah I can't help but think too i mean number one is consumer [TS]

00:01:30   competitive guy i mean he wants to win this is a guy eaten by the Clippers just [TS]

00:01:34   own a team he wants to win NBA titles whereas the old owner the dingbat racist [TS]

00:01:40   guys startling for four decades the Clippers were like a joke in the NBA and [TS]

00:01:45   they only got good and last few years by by locked by a trade that nobody thought [TS]

00:01:50   was going to be good that turned out to be fantastic form so it's great news for [TS]

00:01:55   the Clippers fans cause he's gonna win and I can't help but think that like his [TS]

00:01:59   tech background is going to make you know sort of as the NBA sort of pushes [TS]

00:02:05   in that Moneyball direction of looking at stats and metrics that people didn't [TS]

00:02:10   look at before and I think that's one reason Mark Cuban been a good owner for [TS]

00:02:13   the Dallas Mavericks they've been pretty successful now I've gotten into this [TS]

00:02:17   like rapid thing of finding you know there is that thing that he threw a [TS]

00:02:21   threw a chair across the room a couple of years ago right it was like when I [TS]

00:02:25   went there was like a key employees who he wanted he wanted to keep the guy was [TS]

00:02:29   like you know what I'm going to Google and write the guys like you know what [TS]

00:02:33   there's nothing you can say I'm going to Google through its your point like [TS]

00:02:38   there's no you know he's a passionate passionate passionate man and chair [TS]

00:02:44   throwing as I get nice history in basketball Bobby Bobby Knight the old [TS]

00:02:47   college coaches at Indiana's just like their own shares of referees not sure [TS]

00:02:52   that a fly on court but I think I'm definitely disappoint you for the next [TS]

00:02:56   hour or whenever we're gonna be talking about talking about sports [TS]

00:03:00   bombers personality yeah yeah I'm just sayin can really throw the same no curve [TS]

00:03:08   ball if you well then we added in some laughter there and I do think I think [TS]

00:03:19   it's kind of the rumors that he was good not gonna be long on the Microsoft board [TS]

00:03:23   that you know that they did public relations wise it's you know it was [TS]

00:03:28   orderly transition but it's more like a divorce then you know as amicable [TS]

00:03:36   breakup transition which is sad [TS]

00:03:42   yeah it kind of is his boy he have a good run [TS]

00:03:48   yeah I could run and you know I don't talk about dedication to accompany me in [TS]

00:03:52   like you know what you're talking about this passion he's he's so passionate [TS]

00:03:56   about Microsoft like it and I you know when he had stepped down or when the [TS]

00:04:02   resignation thing happened I was like you know that's that's a sad thing to [TS]

00:04:05   lose for company which is like a CEO that it's just that incredibly [TS]

00:04:09   passionate about about everything that comes out of that company [TS]

00:04:13   yeah like he you know he was never one of these guys who was just going to be a [TS]

00:04:18   CEO of a company and that maybe someday he would leave and go to Oracle you know [TS]

00:04:25   I know it was never going to happen he was a Microsoft guy yeah oh yeah you [TS]

00:04:31   know I love this company and she did he really does that's what it says in that [TS]

00:04:37   letter did you read the letter he posted on one drive no I did not I obviously [TS]

00:04:45   tweeted that he could have used clippings help to format the letter the [TS]

00:04:48   letter is literally like deer [TS]

00:04:50   paragraphs he like it's like really after all this time you couldn't have [TS]

00:04:57   just used one of the template's inward tweeted the link here [TS]

00:05:02   well you have been super busy this month [TS]

00:05:08   your I guess you're always busy but you're not one of these taken off for [TS]

00:05:11   August people know and guess who's getting married right before or right [TS]

00:05:16   after the iPhone launch for the rumored iPhone launch right before or right [TS]

00:05:21   after well if things go according to rumor and speculation or if they follow [TS]

00:05:29   a historical pattern we will see an announcement on Tuesday [TS]

00:05:35   got married on that Sunday on the 14 and then an iPhone would probably [TS]

00:05:42   historically has happened launched the week after week after that I'm assuming [TS]

00:05:47   the week after [TS]

00:05:48   yeah usually on a Friday so I'm guessing the nineteenth you know so you know I [TS]

00:05:53   picked a great time to get married are you immediately [TS]

00:05:58   well congratulations number one the number two are you are you immediately [TS]

00:06:02   leaving on a honeymoon or now that the honeymoon is scheduled for a different [TS]

00:06:07   different time [TS]

00:06:08   honeymoon is scheduled for the end of October beginning of November right so [TS]

00:06:13   your review in theory you could your your iPhone review could your camera [TS]

00:06:18   pictures could be from the bride's perspective mazing well yes but you the [TS]

00:06:27   other bribed my fiance she will probably murder me if I'm reviewing an iPhone [TS]

00:06:32   during the week of the wedding that reminds me reminds me of the funniest [TS]

00:06:42   thing from this summer was reviewer a bridesmaid and and a friends wedding and [TS]

00:06:47   you were testing the Android we're smart watches G that you're out totally [TS]

00:06:56   totally happened like I wore that to the rehearsal dinner the night before and [TS]

00:07:00   she was like what is that just made my new watch it's my new smartphone glued [TS]

00:07:07   to my to my wrist and she's like if you wear that tomorrow seat don't even know [TS]

00:07:14   yes add to stage a little bit of the sound bite when she was in her beautiful [TS]

00:07:18   dress but that was that was very much a true story [TS]

00:07:21   yeah but anyway congratulations but you will still be out for the event [TS]

00:07:27   assuming everything again assuming every we talked about it like it's a done deal [TS]

00:07:30   but assuming everything happens as as expected you'll be out for the event and [TS]

00:07:35   then come back east [TS]

00:07:37   later in the week right yeah yeah if yes exactly I do think I do think that that [TS]

00:07:43   is going to happen that you know I did rumors are true and I mean that makes [TS]

00:07:49   sense given the timing but it is funny to of watching the rest of the industry [TS]

00:07:54   line up around that because everybody I think Samsung hasn't [TS]

00:07:58   I'm very busy leading up to this wedding I think that the Samsung one is going to [TS]

00:08:07   be on the third it's like everybody you know you want to go after you want to go [TS]

00:08:10   before and I think most people are like oh we usually does this before could eat [TS]

00:08:15   out of berlin is the same as the same time every year and so they do the note [TS]

00:08:21   announcement there and you know sony announces some stuff that I'm not really [TS]

00:08:25   sure people know it is sad and who else does stuff around there sometimes HTC [TS]

00:08:30   but I guess not really this year and then Motorola has an event like that [TS]

00:08:36   Friday or Thursday before its that's the fourth so yeah yeah and there's the [TS]

00:08:44   added possibility that that this will be the event and again this is just [TS]

00:08:49   speculation but it could be that coincided with the iPhone Apple that [TS]

00:08:53   will have their wearable stuff long long rumored supposedly imminent wearable [TS]

00:08:59   stuff if which would probably well I don't know what to do you know [TS]

00:09:04   questionable whether that would come out at the same time maybe the reviews would [TS]

00:09:07   be you know maybe they denounce it then it'll come out a different time that [TS]

00:09:10   could be a lot of stuff to review [TS]

00:09:12   well everyone jumped on something you said a couple weeks ago and by there I [TS]

00:09:18   didn't really read that as like that was your inside sources and I know that [TS]

00:09:23   that's because you're stupid [TS]

00:09:27   yeah I would think that was not going to happen at the same event as the iPhone [TS]

00:09:33   but that said I don't I really don't know much and I think it's really hard [TS]

00:09:37   to talk about some of this healthcare IT staff without talking about that product [TS]

00:09:41   but again I don't really know yeah I talked about this a little bit last week [TS]

00:09:44   but that's to me it was just a guess trying to crack a joke about what if the [TS]

00:09:49   Moto 270 doesn't come out until after Apple announces their thing [TS]

00:09:55   270 will come out before and it will be close to $270 yeah I know when did they [TS]

00:10:05   say that the Moto 360 is going to the rumored [TS]

00:10:10   real-estate it's like a mini sometime in the next week or so I think they are [TS]

00:10:16   holding this event on September my inbox with their imposing an event in our in [TS]

00:10:23   September in Chicago I believe so that's a yeah and then that then the pricing [TS]

00:10:28   leaked this weekend on best buy for $250 for the Moto 27360 I'm actually excited [TS]

00:10:34   about this I mean I know a lot of people when I put it on a Google i/o [TS]

00:10:39   people were saying that I was wearing a saying I was wearing my my wrist [TS]

00:10:46   you might have made a great joke about what I was wearing my wrist as possible [TS]

00:10:50   I don't remember a monocle or something like that but you know it's I think it's [TS]

00:10:58   the first SmartWatch that comes closest to looking like a watch it definitely is [TS]

00:11:02   very big the faces big and there's been some issues about the screen isn't [TS]

00:11:08   really fully you circle but definitely looks better than the than the to the LG [TS]

00:11:15   and Samsung that I've worn during the summer that I stole I concur with your [TS]

00:11:21   review of the earlier too though where it's just highly questionable whether [TS]

00:11:26   and for some people of course some people you know you can find some people [TS]

00:11:30   who want everything you know any idea under the Sun but the idea of getting a [TS]

00:11:35   buzz on your wrist every single time you get a notification is to me it sounds [TS]

00:11:39   like punishment it does it doesn't kill me and i dont have the type of job I [TS]

00:11:46   don't think many people do when I'm always on the alert for like an [TS]

00:11:52   emergency you know I can totally see how like I don't know somebody who works in [TS]

00:11:57   a hospital might want to have a watch that every single time the buses they [TS]

00:12:02   really do want to look at it could be a serious emergency I could see that mean [TS]

00:12:06   I don't need that and when I had my putt my pebble hooked up to my iPhone and [TS]

00:12:12   just moving alerts to my wrist it it just feels like a punishing myself right [TS]

00:12:18   and you know that's one of the things I had [TS]

00:12:20   spoken to Google about before the review and then obviously pointed out in the [TS]

00:12:25   review is that there needs to be deeper customization of that but even then you [TS]

00:12:29   know you really wonder do we want to be sort of futzing with that kind of [TS]

00:12:33   settings type of thing I mean even just dealing with notifications on my phone [TS]

00:12:37   is like and setting them up and what apps ping me when they do their service [TS]

00:12:42   at my retweet serve it mentions or email from this account you that in itself is [TS]

00:12:48   a is a big task to do so it's easiest for these companies to just say if it [TS]

00:12:53   hits the front lock screen of your phone then it will hit your wrists yeah but it [TS]

00:12:58   needs to be deeper than that but they have to do it in a way where it's not [TS]

00:13:01   really completely frustrating to figure out how to get those things there [TS]

00:13:06   yeah of course a lot of people and I would argue that a lot of people who [TS]

00:13:09   want Android phones don't mind tinkering with that kind of stuff but I would also [TS]

00:13:12   say that even then that that's overwhelming yeah and it's it is so true [TS]

00:13:18   to that you get a new app and you launch it and you're using this new thing and [TS]

00:13:24   it's going to be send you notifications and it just says this app would like to [TS]

00:13:28   send you notifications allow or disallow and then did your one time you say okay [TS]

00:13:32   yes I want to get these notifications that's super easy it's easy to opt-in [TS]

00:13:36   but then everything after that in terms of fine-tuning you know how much and [TS]

00:13:41   what you get [TS]

00:13:42   just always seems like busy work and it would seem like a good idea when you [TS]

00:13:47   first install the app it's just sometimes can be one of those [TS]

00:13:51   frog and slow boiling pot type things first you don't really notice and my [TS]

00:13:55   mother to me like white wine making all these notifications from this app this [TS]

00:13:58   is this is overkill my whole right my whole lock screen is dominated by these [TS]

00:14:04   stupid notifications from this one [TS]

00:14:06   yeah I mean I've gotten pretty good about on my iPhone customizing what hits [TS]

00:14:11   the lock screen but that was after quite a bit of tweaking and settings stuff but [TS]

00:14:20   I still like random alerts from apps I haven't downloaded for testing or [TS]

00:14:25   something and it's like you know do this like brush my teeth right I i review [TS]

00:14:31   that blue toothbrush a couple of months ago [TS]

00:14:33   go and I actually still using the toothbrush but I don't always use the [TS]

00:14:39   app with it even though I said I was going to in my review and I i really do [TS]

00:14:44   like brushing my teeth my phone in my hand but my phone keeps reminding me [TS]

00:14:47   that and brush my teeth in like a month [TS]

00:14:49   somewhat true I mean but as far as your problem I don't think I told that out [TS]

00:14:55   that you should be on my life I recommend you brush your teeth at least [TS]

00:14:59   I would say at least once before the wedding [TS]

00:15:02   you should russia did I mean at least once before the Apple event website [TS]

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00:18:31   I we're back one of her recent pieces [TS]

00:18:37   the most recent I think it was your review of the only get the name on the [TS]

00:18:42   HTC One somethin somethin Windows Phone can do it you can do it HTH 20 here [TS]

00:18:50   it's the HTC One parentheses [TS]

00:18:54   mhm close parenthesis for Windows it's not with Windows Phone and it's not with [TS]

00:19:03   Windows Phone 8.1 it is for Windows for Windows for Windows so yes the review [TS]

00:19:11   did not include a review of the phone name as somebody think Rene Ritchie [TS]

00:19:14   tweeted that to me but it should have the gist of it is it's pretty much the [TS]

00:19:20   exact same hardware as the HTC One [TS]

00:19:24   mhm that we know from Android except it's running got same size and looking [TS]

00:19:30   at both of them right now right and has the same gimmicky one has the same trick [TS]

00:19:37   with the camera where there's two cameras one that's like the really that [TS]

00:19:42   what they call molter pixels the one that takes the main picture second one [TS]

00:19:45   that's used for some kind of trickery about changing the focal point focal [TS]

00:19:51   distance after you snap the photo exactly exactly like the depth of it [TS]

00:19:57   collects depth information and then it sort of layers it and so you can refocus [TS]

00:20:01   which it doesn't really work all that well but yes exactly carbon copy of the [TS]

00:20:07   Android version just running different software I saw you had a little back and [TS]

00:20:12   forth with Twitter on Twitter with somebody from from HTC about that it was [TS]

00:20:20   a great review but the headline headline is what was then another another great [TS]

00:20:27   phone you probably won't buy yeah yeah yeah I mean and that's not because of [TS]

00:20:34   the hardware [TS]

00:20:35   you know actually set around pretty much similar thing about the first HTC One [TS]

00:20:41   that came out in March because it was the same situation with the HTC One last [TS]

00:20:45   year the Android version of the phone was really really good but nobody bought [TS]

00:20:49   it because instead they listen to the marketing that they saw it everywhere [TS]

00:20:52   from Samsung and they bought Galaxy S 50 S 40 S three is whatever was out at the [TS]

00:20:57   time and said I made you see once I think you know HEC is sort of [TS]

00:21:01   we seem to get caught in the middle of these things were like they make really [TS]

00:21:04   good staff but nobody really buys them whether it's because of the marketing or [TS]

00:21:09   whatever but I think that's actually changed a lot with their recent phone [TS]

00:21:12   they had a lot more stocks than they had that with the original one made it a [TS]

00:21:16   better job of marketing at the reviews are really good but obviously for this [TS]

00:21:20   piece that headline was really about Windows because he has windows and I'm [TS]

00:21:27   really sorry to offend anyone who might be listening to this that has a Windows [TS]

00:21:31   Phone when I say nobody I don't mean nobody in the world I mean really the [TS]

00:21:36   general public does not have Windows Phone and for this piece I know how I [TS]

00:21:40   sort of came up with the idea but I went to Times Square and I wanted to do the [TS]

00:21:46   video in Times Square and then you know the column kind of turned into the same [TS]

00:21:50   thing as a video because i sat in Times Square was shot for about an hour we [TS]

00:21:53   took a break we sat down and I didn't see one single person with the windows [TS]

00:21:57   were stopping people with stopping people i mean but I honestly couldn't [TS]

00:22:03   stop that many people because most people have their phones out so most [TS]

00:22:06   people have iPhones or Android phones out there taking photos they're taking [TS]

00:22:10   selfies I mean it's like you know it it's the best place on earth and also [TS]

00:22:14   the worst place on earth and so you know I really had to kind of find people that [TS]

00:22:18   weren't holding their iPhones cause I don't wanna be like audio Windows Phone [TS]

00:22:21   when clearly they have an iPhone or they clearly have a Galaxy S five er actually [TS]

00:22:25   did see a lot of HTC ones I thought you know all types of phones but no windows [TS]

00:22:29   interesting and so you know this piece was really about and I i started using [TS]

00:22:35   the one I have had the one for about a week I also had used though the Lumia [TS]

00:22:40   icon since 8.1 came out and the software is really good I really like the [TS]

00:22:45   software and at this point there's a lot of features there that you know you [TS]

00:22:49   certainly don't miss you too I didn't end up missing my iPhone's email after [TS]

00:22:53   these types of you know basic core apps but you know it's what makes you wonder [TS]

00:22:57   why don't people have this and of course it comes down to the app ecosystem but [TS]

00:23:01   it's you know to me I think it's a lot more than that and I talked about that [TS]

00:23:04   in the column I do think it's very complicated and it's it's [TS]

00:23:08   multifaceted Mike market share is not it alone and and the one thing whenever I [TS]

00:23:15   talk about market share it [TS]

00:23:16   people accused me people who are not like Big Apple fans accuse me of or any [TS]

00:23:23   other people who attended right about stuff from the apple of cherry-picking [TS]

00:23:27   the stat that that happens you know the only ones that matter the ones Rapids [TS]

00:23:32   ahead so when when if if I West isn't leading and market share then we'll pick [TS]

00:23:38   profit share and now profits is all that matters and if it were the other way [TS]

00:23:42   around that if it was you know like when the iPod Touch market share leader in [TS]

00:23:47   market share mattered and it's not like that the mistake that people make is is [TS]

00:23:52   is if I say market share is not everything and it's not even the most [TS]

00:23:58   single most important thing that doesn't mean that I'm saying marketshare doesn't [TS]

00:24:02   matter it does matter obviously but it's not the only thing agreed but the big [TS]

00:24:09   thing I think the big thing is there's like a minimum viable market share and [TS]

00:24:14   and you know if the overall smartphone market is a right now somewhere around [TS]

00:24:19   80% Android 12 producers worldwide 80% Android 12% I found and 22.5% Windows [TS]

00:24:27   found 12 percent isn't is big enough and it's so many hundreds of millions of [TS]

00:24:32   people that's it's pretty big market and 2.5 may not just may not be enough [TS]

00:24:38   yeah and I think you know what you're right this is the global market share so [TS]

00:24:42   we knew you also have to factor and this was something we talked about earlier [TS]

00:24:45   today with with some people in the office [TS]

00:24:48   factoring in the lower end of the market and lower-cost areas where you look at [TS]

00:24:53   you know we're not looking at the top end of the market and you're not looking [TS]

00:24:58   at sort of these halo flagship devices and that's where obviously Android has [TS]

00:25:03   captured a large part of the market and that's a place that Microsoft is also [TS]

00:25:08   said they've intended to go and that's certainly a different look at market [TS]

00:25:14   share than when you look at either you know you asked her if you look at sort [TS]

00:25:17   of country by country [TS]

00:25:19   I do think there's also a guy I've thought about this so much over the [TS]

00:25:23   years because I I feel like every marketplace end up playing out [TS]

00:25:26   differently right there are some similarities between this and the PC [TS]

00:25:30   wars of the nineties between Mac and Windows and similarities but there's so [TS]

00:25:34   many other factors are different that it's there's only loose similarities and [TS]

00:25:39   and everything every market plays out differently but the one thing that i i [TS]

00:25:45   do think holds true in just about every category [TS]

00:25:49   through the decades is that you somehow have to get early adopters usually have [TS]

00:25:54   to get early adopters first you've got to get some enthusiasts on board nerds [TS]

00:25:59   right people who listen to stuff like this show and who you like to go out and [TS]

00:26:04   and reviewed 29 laptops or something like that you have to get them first and [TS]

00:26:09   that's the one you know and iOS clearly has that and had it right from day one [TS]

00:26:14   when people you know those are the people who lined up around the block in [TS]

00:26:17   2007 to buy it and write definitely has that you know there's you know and [TS]

00:26:22   that's the whole you know coke vs Pepsi flame wars that you see in the comments [TS]

00:26:26   on general-purpose tech review site I think that's step one of the windows [TS]

00:26:32   from problem is that there aren't any of them right now and and I think there are [TS]

00:26:38   there I just think they think it's still a timing thing like they might have come [TS]

00:26:45   along too late [TS]

00:26:46   damn right they are they those people are there I've heard from them today [TS]

00:26:50   again when we say nobody we don't really mean 0.00% just how come back to a lot [TS]

00:27:06   of it being timing and I think you know and and Microsoft admits that it was [TS]

00:27:13   timing right they'll say well we actually had Windows Phone the idea but [TS]

00:27:18   then you know [TS]

00:27:19   Android came out and a lot of the market and partners and etcetera and I think [TS]

00:27:26   you know part of that is that by now when we're looking at this five years or [TS]

00:27:30   six years deep into the smartphone market now finally Microsoft is good [TS]

00:27:35   enough on the platform level to be in line with the competition and at this [TS]

00:27:40   point what does that matter right it's not necessarily pushing ahead the [TS]

00:27:46   smartphone and some radical way that i'm gonna say to someone know you've gotta [TS]

00:27:51   get this right and you know frankly like I think we're starting to see but I OS [TS]

00:27:57   and Android as we see these updates coming in the next couple months like [TS]

00:28:00   there's so much feature parity right there's so many things that you can get [TS]

00:28:04   now and one or the other whether it's different keyboards are it's different [TS]

00:28:07   notification customization and all of these sorts of things that know people [TS]

00:28:12   will argue a whole I wonder where they got that idea from yo we're getting to [TS]

00:28:17   that point where it's so it is still relying on the apps that we have but [TS]

00:28:21   they're still nothing that has pushed smartphones so far ahead into the future [TS]

00:28:25   and I'm not even sure I can't even imagine like I don't look at my friends [TS]

00:28:29   say I look at my phone and say these are the things I would want but they're not [TS]

00:28:32   necessarily radical ideas [TS]

00:28:35   yeah it's just refinement refinement refinement refinement and and their [TS]

00:28:41   basic things but I don't think even for basic things i would i would switch to a [TS]

00:28:46   different platform if it didn't offer everything and more [TS]

00:28:49   yeah yeah somebody else pointed that out like post Google i/o is Google i/o was [TS]

00:28:57   after WBC this year but you look at the checklist and there's you know there's [TS]

00:29:01   ten or fifteen things that you could see starting around 2011 or so that these [TS]

00:29:07   platforms needed to do to get to do more the stuff that there was everybody [TS]

00:29:12   wanted a better notifications and [TS]

00:29:15   on I West people wanted you know third-party keyboards and stuff like [TS]

00:29:20   that and you could just see that the two companies you know Google and Apple they [TS]

00:29:24   just had a different order different priorities of which ones they were going [TS]

00:29:28   to do first and eventually they just you know they both checked off all of them [TS]

00:29:33   and some of them were first on Android and some were first time and we're [TS]

00:29:38   getting to the point this year where they've sort of gotten to the bottom of [TS]

00:29:41   that list not that there's nowhere for these things to improve but all the big [TS]

00:29:46   obvious ones from about four or five years ago [TS]

00:29:49   they've gotten to write right and that you know that's one of the lines out in [TS]

00:29:53   this in this piece was like you know switching to Windows Phone at this point [TS]

00:29:57   is like just getting a comfortable home your same comfortable home in and one [TS]

00:30:01   that right across the street that's basically the same thing there's no real [TS]

00:30:04   reason to switch at this point plus you're not getting all those extras if [TS]

00:30:08   those are important to you if those brand new apps if those updates to your [TS]

00:30:12   apps are extremely important to you there's there's no real reason to leave [TS]

00:30:16   where you've been so comfortable [TS]

00:30:18   yeah and I think if you're an enthusiast and you're kind of you know the sort of [TS]

00:30:21   person who likes to get new apps and stuff you know [TS]

00:30:24   follows new new new companies and stuff like that [TS]

00:30:27   Windows Phone has all that stuff you know like you you pointed out Instagram [TS]

00:30:31   which is great example where where Instagram was Iowa's only famously for [TS]

00:30:35   first couple of years and then and then the Android version came out and you [TS]

00:30:39   know is huge and then it you know fueled the billion dollar acquisition by [TS]

00:30:43   Facebook and eventually they're now there is Windows Phone version of it but [TS]

00:30:47   it was way after even the Android version and even now it still lags [TS]

00:30:53   because they've added these new [TS]

00:30:55   the latest version of Instagram has a bunch of new editing features that [TS]

00:30:59   aren't in the windows from virgin right right and that's why you see that across [TS]

00:31:03   apps like my Rdio app it's been like 10 minutes in the car trying to find my top [TS]

00:31:08   where I usually go to find you know pop music and I could not find the playlist [TS]

00:31:13   in the Windows Phone out there and I'm pretty sure it's out there but I gave up [TS]

00:31:17   and I think you said that there's there's still not a lift up those from [TS]

00:31:21   ya all of those [TS]

00:31:23   and I know what you call it was was late on Windows Phone Number you know and if [TS]

00:31:29   you're the sort of person who wants to use stuff like that like you've heard [TS]

00:31:33   about hoover you're traveling you know you're in San Francisco vacation or [TS]

00:31:37   business or something like that and everybody else is using Hooper and you [TS]

00:31:42   can't because you're using Windows Phone its like it's just a steady drip drop of [TS]

00:31:47   annoyances of knowing that you're always going to be the last to get stuff like [TS]

00:31:51   this and you know what is announced later get second half of 2014 by 2015 [TS]

00:31:58   I'm sure there will be a left app but then there's going to be something else [TS]

00:32:01   that's new that's only on iOS solely on Android totally and that and that's the [TS]

00:32:06   number one reservation I have about the platform but you know the funny thing is [TS]

00:32:10   that I think maybe two years ago I would have said well this is an OK platform [TS]

00:32:13   this is an OK phone regardless for people who have not had a smartphone yet [TS]

00:32:18   it's a bit beginner phone but I think we're at this point when the market [TS]

00:32:22   where are ready those people have a phone and they probably have an iPhone [TS]

00:32:26   or they probably have a basic Android phone and it does this point those [TS]

00:32:30   people don't want to switch so that's where I think so much of this was a [TS]

00:32:33   timing game and you know it's it's unfortunate for Microsoft consider crime [TS]

00:32:39   for them but it's unfortunate that they got to get got together a really good [TS]

00:32:43   operating system so late in the game because there are a lot of things here [TS]

00:32:46   that I actually really like now and yes some of them are you doing the same as [TS]

00:32:50   you get on others but you don't court on as a really nice blend of Syria and [TS]

00:32:53   Google now I I like a lot of I like a lot of features that they built into [TS]

00:32:57   Cortana I like a lot of things that when it comes to the customizations in the [TS]

00:33:01   notifications and all the basics you know based OS stuff it's just you know [TS]

00:33:05   how much time I usually spending in that stuff and the thing I noticed when I [TS]

00:33:09   last spent some time with Windows fungible was when I was at the build [TS]

00:33:13   conference back in May is an end windows from is always better to me than Android [TS]

00:33:21   in this regard but the latest I don't think we had a one yet maybe [TS]

00:33:24   forget the version number but we're playing with funds I had as yet [TS]

00:33:27   unreleased version of it so maybe it was like an early version of 81 but the [TS]

00:33:31   little animations like stretching when you get to the bottom of the list and [TS]

00:33:37   the balancing and stuff like that is so much nicer than stock Android it's it's [TS]

00:33:42   really good and the frame rates I mean just frame rates across the board [TS]

00:33:46   it's really really snappy UI and it's something that Microsoft has been good [TS]

00:33:50   at for a long time but it really shows yeah yeah and I want the keyboard to [TS]

00:33:55   mean yeah I will say that the one thing whenever I try switching to an Android [TS]

00:34:00   phone and this isn't better worse is it just habit but I've I find myself really [TS]

00:34:04   struggling to type because I find the Android keyboard the least the default [TS]

00:34:08   want to be so different [TS]

00:34:09   whereas windows from my my iOS typing habits I just instantly was typing as [TS]

00:34:15   well as they do on an iPhone it's fine I we've talked about this last time I was [TS]

00:34:20   on my keyboard situation I'm serious [TS]

00:34:24   keyboard problems and I i made the switch to the iPhone keyboard after [TS]

00:34:29   using Android a physical QWERTY keyboard on the android phone for for three or [TS]

00:34:34   four years and now I'm great the iPhone and now when I go back to my moto access [TS]

00:34:39   Android phone I'm really bad so I've been using SwiftKey which is better I'm [TS]

00:34:43   actually really excited hoping swifty builds out for ISE but I still I I still [TS]

00:34:51   don't think I found the perfect software keyboard that said I'm I'm just gonna go [TS]

00:34:56   get that new BlackBerry that's in the shape of a square and I think that will [TS]

00:34:59   solve all my problems let's hold off I thank god that's not being released [TS]

00:35:04   during my wedding with God take a few moments here and tell everybody better [TS]

00:35:09   could print at Warby Parker will be Parker provides put equality classically [TS]

00:35:16   crafted I where revolutionary price points [TS]

00:35:19   company was conceived as an alternative to the overpriced I we're at available [TS]

00:35:24   today [TS]

00:35:26   prescription eyewear simply should not cost three four five hundred dollars [TS]

00:35:29   and and the whole country was founded on the idea why why why do glasses [TS]

00:35:35   consummate do they have to the answer is no and that the industry is mostly is [TS]

00:35:39   controlled largely by a few large companies that have kept prices [TS]

00:35:42   artificially high reaping huge profits from customers who have no other options [TS]

00:35:48   so Warby Parker came into this market a few years ago and turned it upside down [TS]

00:35:55   really popular more popular than ever before what are the one of the main [TS]

00:35:59   point is the number one i glasses should not cost as much as an iPhone their [TS]

00:36:05   prescription glasses start at just 95 bucks including prescription lenses [TS]

00:36:11   David titanium collection with metal frames X starts at 145 bucks also with [TS]

00:36:17   the prescription lands they use premium Japanese titanium French nun rocking [TS]

00:36:23   screws all classes include antireflective any anti glare coating [TS]

00:36:28   there's no additional cost and who doesn't want that everybody wants it [TS]

00:36:31   that all classes include hard case cleaning cloth really nice case got a [TS]

00:36:37   couple of here in Aus really really nice place [TS]

00:36:41   case to all high quality the price is way lower but you get a really really [TS]

00:36:46   quality set of classes and they make buying glasses online easy and risk-free [TS]

00:36:51   they have a home tryin program so you go online you look at their website find a [TS]

00:36:56   friend jerusalem they have some cool features on the website you can use a [TS]

00:36:59   webcam gay picture up there just get a basic idea what the frames look like on [TS]

00:37:03   your face but then you pick five players and they just shipped them to know they [TS]

00:37:08   don't have your prescription lenses and it's like trying to restore they've send [TS]

00:37:11   five to you you can try and get get your feedback from their friends and family [TS]

00:37:16   see what people like and you can keep me for five days before you send him back [TS]

00:37:20   to sleep I look at him for a couple days then you send them back you tell me 21 [TS]

00:37:26   if any and when you place your order for prescription glasses that they'll get [TS]

00:37:32   started on my way and you'll have them in your hands within 10 business days [TS]

00:37:37   in my experience art prints here usually less so here's another great feature [TS]

00:37:44   about worby got a mention for every pair of glasses they sell they distribute [TS]

00:37:49   another pair of prescription glasses to someone in need around the world for a [TS]

00:37:55   lot of people around the world access to prescription glasses just out of reach [TS]

00:37:59   and Warby Parker is doing great work [TS]

00:38:02   one-for-one basis with the classes they sell to help turn around so where do you [TS]

00:38:11   go to find out more you need eyeglasses here's what you do [TS]

00:38:14   Warby Parker dot com slash the talk show will be Parker dot com slash the talk [TS]

00:38:23   show and you'll get your five Tryon frames and by using that URL / the talk [TS]

00:38:31   show you get free 3 day shipping on your order and the frames back to your [TS]

00:38:37   favorite pairs or be makes it completely risk-free with that free shipping [TS]

00:38:42   three days so my thanks to be partnering coat check them out new glasses but I [TS]

00:38:48   did I was kind of hoping that would be out by now we were talking about that [TS]

00:38:51   the square blackberry as soon as I saw it I soon as I saw my first thought was [TS]

00:38:59   that's interesting and my second thought was why can't wait to talk to join about [TS]

00:39:03   that but you think maybe maybe you're over physical keyboards now maybe your [TS]

00:39:08   habits have finally switched I mean that they had they had to do we have to adapt [TS]

00:39:13   so I had to adapt and I'm really fast on my iPhone now I'm actually really fast [TS]

00:39:19   on swift key to the phone can not be so slow my mother my motto axes really slow [TS]

00:39:25   now but I'm really fast my iPhone I'm excited about the iPhones predictive [TS]

00:39:32   text stuff as well so I mean I can't say that I haven't done a typing test [TS]

00:39:37   miiverse myself on the iPhone vs blackberry but that's a good idea [TS]

00:39:46   yeah but I i there's certain parts of user interface design where it's almost [TS]

00:39:51   more important or may not even almost but it is more important how fast you [TS]

00:39:55   think you are [TS]

00:39:56   versus how fast you really are and if you feel like you're fast enough on the [TS]

00:40:00   iPhone that's really all that matters even if you found out that I got a [TS]

00:40:04   stopwatch still not as fast as you were on blackberry great so I famous example [TS]

00:40:09   of this is I might but some of the details but this is a really old apple [TS]

00:40:14   story like from the eighties and I think I got the story from Bruce tug well I [TS]

00:40:21   just can't talk everybody knows tog [TS]

00:40:23   human interface design guru has to be an apple and now he said whatever group and [TS]

00:40:32   Apple used to used to test an awful lot of stuff in with cameras and behind [TS]

00:40:39   glass and just test real people doing stuff and what they found out is that [TS]

00:40:44   people were WAY faster like let's say they wanted to print it say make a new [TS]

00:40:50   document and Mac right and then going and when they would tell some of the [TS]

00:40:55   people to use the mouse to file now down to print and tell other people to use [TS]

00:41:01   the keyboard shortcuts and they found that the mouse was using the mouse to go [TS]

00:41:07   up to file print was faster than using the command P to pray or files saved in [TS]

00:41:14   with the mouse was faster than commander US but then when they asked the users [TS]

00:41:20   which was faster there was a unanimous today said using a keyboard shortcut was [TS]

00:41:24   faster though when they first had the research said hey it always faster to [TS]

00:41:29   use the menu they thought about getting rid of all the keyboard shortcuts and [TS]

00:41:33   saying forget all these keyboards look at what does make the israelis the mouse [TS]

00:41:36   all the time because it faster but it felt slower and the best that they could [TS]

00:41:41   figure now is that when you when you use a keyboard shortcut it's like two parts [TS]

00:41:46   of your brain at once there's the first part where you have to remember the what [TS]

00:41:52   it is like you know you want to save this document and in your brain causes [TS]

00:41:55   alright its command s use your use your left thumb put it on the command key and [TS]

00:42:02   then you hit the ice and then you know well I did it might be different now [TS]

00:42:07   because people are so used to computers who knows but that point is though that [TS]

00:42:11   it ends up the people don't remember the time they spend remembering right [TS]

00:42:16   keystroke it's like that didn't happen and so the only part that they feel like [TS]

00:42:21   they remember is the actual using their fingers as I got a blank spot there [TS]

00:42:25   where you don't remember I think I think it might be for a lot of people may be [TS]

00:42:29   for power users it's not true it's definitely not the case for me but I [TS]

00:42:34   think for typical people it might be but they still feel better [TS]

00:42:38   the difference between learned yeah learned and whatever what they learned [TS]

00:42:46   action and what becomes habit yeah but you know like command command as may be [TS]

00:42:54   a bad example because for a lot of us we don't even think about it like my friend [TS]

00:42:58   Michael lopp Ranger imposed a heat when he's writing he just a right to send [TS]

00:43:03   animals thinking about what to write next his fingers just do command that [TS]

00:43:06   because I old days when computer crashes were just bring down the whole computer [TS]

00:43:11   you know you were always 11 crash away from losing what you've written so [TS]

00:43:17   there's not I i have that happen I thought that habit but now that I work [TS]

00:43:21   so much in Google Docs I guess it kind of killed it happened to me it's an [TS]

00:43:25   important thing like us on a Mac Mini Mac App even if it's not like a [TS]

00:43:28   file-based if it's like some kind of thing just like a library [TS]

00:43:33   you know type thing you should at least even if command s doesn't do anything [TS]

00:43:38   don't be breaking like that and yes even if it isn't necessary if everything you [TS]

00:43:43   type get saved automatically let me hit commanders say they feel better but [TS]

00:43:50   that's now I have a horrible collapses like pathological Michael up command has [TS]

00:43:58   probably like 30 times a minute [TS]

00:44:04   yeah I mean even typing test and have to do a typing test when this when this new [TS]

00:44:13   BlackBerry comes out when that's happening I do think it's a shame this [TS]

00:44:18   is another one of those things where it's like may be too late but it's like [TS]

00:44:21   man if only blackberry and come out with the phone in that form factor couple of [TS]

00:44:25   years ago that was decent yeah I mean that's a big if the boy form factor [TS]

00:44:33   why's it really looks to me like hey here's somebody who's not just trying to [TS]

00:44:37   copy the 2007 iPhone right but what I mean I know they've made seven arguments [TS]

00:44:44   that the square shape in their aspect ratio of the screen is better for like i [TS]

00:44:48   think thats Excel documents yeah yeah really that's where I mean it's spread [TS]

00:44:54   on marketing message for them I guess program the exact where an Instagram [TS]

00:45:04   yeah sure the cameras yeah probably [TS]

00:45:08   well maybe part of part of the irony of Instagram lagging on Windows Phone is [TS]

00:45:13   that Windows Phone as a platform is known for having good Cameras Cameras [TS]

00:45:17   yeah I'd I mean that's actually one of the things that's hard about this HTC [TS]

00:45:23   that you can get way better camera is on the lumières but I prefer the design of [TS]

00:45:28   this HTC to the limit design yeah yeah [TS]

00:45:34   HTC is interesting you know I know words a little bit HCC is interesting company [TS]

00:45:39   because I have said this for years and it sort of is it just goes to show how [TS]

00:45:43   again you can see I say design is very important but it's not it doesn't mean [TS]

00:45:49   everything right and there's eight cc's a great example of a company who I think [TS]

00:45:53   has every year after year has produced better designed phones and Samsung just [TS]

00:45:59   got just got annihilated in the market from the start from from the start of [TS]

00:46:05   even even if you think about when those both of those companies were making the [TS]

00:46:08   original Windows Phones [TS]

00:46:10   you know when you think about what was it that HTC with the slider that was a [TS]

00:46:18   really good phone diamond diamond was in that same family members and this this [TS]

00:46:30   goes back to that that the the sort of transition years when the iPhone had the [TS]

00:46:37   modern smartphone market to itself because Android wasn't out yet and [TS]

00:46:40   Microsoft install on Windows Mobile you know 2007 2008 2009 HTC Tilt [TS]

00:46:49   ACC ATC back then was they were by far and away the number one Windows Mobile [TS]

00:46:58   Windows Mobile right but they were to Windows Mobile what like Samsung is [TS]

00:47:05   Android [TS]

00:47:07   absolutely they made these types of phones they the good keyboard and stylus [TS]

00:47:11   that came out the other one after the tilt my memory was arrived with the [TS]

00:47:21   Windows Phone whatever they made great keyboards on these basically what I'm [TS]

00:47:29   getting at here is that I really want HTC and old slide-out keyboard phone [TS]

00:47:37   with Windows Phone apps that I want to use and I'll be happy I do think that [TS]

00:47:45   there's no better materials and Samsung I mean you know the there to some degree [TS]

00:47:52   I mean it's not the most important thing i mean it's it's it's not logical I [TS]

00:47:57   guess to say how good does the phone look when it's not even on before you [TS]

00:48:01   even know what operating system is but for something you carry about with you [TS]

00:48:04   all day and all the time it matters I think you know does it feel good in your [TS]

00:48:08   hand and HTC's phones feel way better than Sampson's I mean I know now last [TS]

00:48:15   week they announced this one that has a little bit of metal on it [TS]

00:48:20   it's almost like they're they're like four years behind their sort of like the [TS]

00:48:25   iphone4s and for you know with the metal outside but the back is still plastic [TS]

00:48:30   yeah I mean like even reviews I could I read all the you know the the reviews of [TS]

00:48:40   these things I don't necessarily but even from people who are big fans and [TS]

00:48:44   you know really glowing review of like a new Galaxy found it inevitably mentioned [TS]

00:48:49   you know kind of a cheap build quality feel to it I i i dont know I haven't [TS]

00:48:55   really read glowing reviews Samsung phone not recently not recently but I [TS]

00:49:01   mean it is it it was baffling to me how many more people I mean even appreciated [TS]

00:49:08   the galaxy s4 design over the HTC One about two years ago people would even [TS]

00:49:15   say even without all things that other things were equal people are [TS]

00:49:19   recommending the Samsung over the HTC and and part of that was marketing part [TS]

00:49:24   of that might have been some of these software features that no one ever [TS]

00:49:26   figured out how to use and are not even in the phone but yeah I mean Samsung's [TS]

00:49:32   biggest problem to me at this point is in hardware design it is a hundred [TS]

00:49:36   percent [TS]

00:49:37   software designed by Galaxy Tab Asus a really nice piece of hardware if you can [TS]

00:49:42   look inside the plastic backing that software is just a nightmare that's the [TS]

00:49:48   one that has two sizes yet to decide exactly going head-to-head with the iPad [TS]

00:49:55   Mini right now with the air but they still have the build quality member the [TS]

00:50:02   one hand and how did I mean you know when you look at when you look at how [TS]

00:50:06   thin it is and you think ok what they had to do so maybe some of those plastic [TS]

00:50:10   tooling on the back and to make it a little bit later bad doesn't bother me [TS]

00:50:14   as much as as as the software I think part of it too I do think part of it is [TS]

00:50:20   an institutional lack of taste because even materials aside even if you say [TS]

00:50:25   cost what we've got to build this out of plastic they've done things where [TS]

00:50:29   they've made the back look like fake leather and they even have fixed it [TS]

00:50:32   it's just tacky tacky but I think another thing [TS]

00:50:37   band-aid back either we're not going there I think another factor though is [TS]

00:50:43   that they put out so many things here you know that they don't just [TS]

00:50:47   concentrate on one or two flagship new devices that I forget how many tablets [TS]

00:50:52   Samsung has put out in the last calendar year somebody when they came out with [TS]

00:50:55   the tab best tally them all up and it's I did ya I don't remember I think was [TS]

00:51:00   like nine or ten actually said to my editor this morning he hears best I said [TS]

00:51:08   well there's a Barnes and Noble event tomorrow and they're releasing the tab [TS]

00:51:13   you know it according to the rumors it seems like they're releasing that tab [TS]

00:51:17   for with you know some Barnes and Noble software his lightweight the tab for [TS]

00:51:21   dinner we just review that knows like no we we review the tab s right there's a [TS]

00:51:26   difference [TS]

00:51:27   think that when you when they put out that many devices if they put out 10 [TS]

00:51:32   tablets here I don't know that they can ever put enough time into getting any [TS]

00:51:36   one of them up to the standards that the people who seem like HTC devices Apple [TS]

00:51:42   devices and even Nokia devices expect because it's too scattered right now [TS]

00:51:48   take that argument they made with the stab at they said this is this is the [TS]

00:51:53   flagship tablet like just like the flagship phone the Galaxy S five for [TS]

00:51:59   whatever they do every year this is the flagship tablet for these flagship [TS]

00:52:05   phones [TS]

00:52:05   a little bit more attention to that i mean i i imagine somewhere deep there [TS]

00:52:09   they are really working on these software issues because the reviews are [TS]

00:52:13   all bashing them for it [TS]

00:52:15   yeah but it's hard though because you can say we have to get better at [TS]

00:52:21   software but doing it is a different thing and it's you know they've never [TS]

00:52:27   really shown an aptitude for it and it makes me wonder whether they might not [TS]

00:52:32   you know I don't know that that that what they're thinking but i would i [TS]

00:52:36   would wonder whether they're looking [TS]

00:52:37   some kind of big acquisition to get to bring in software talent that could you [TS]

00:52:43   know just hired figure out some but some company that does mobile software well [TS]

00:52:49   enough and that's sort of scale that they could have enough people to do it [TS]

00:52:53   and and bring in a new team because I don't think the people who are already [TS]

00:52:56   there have any you know have shown anything that they're even on a path to [TS]

00:53:01   getting where they need to be right or you know with the improved relations [TS]

00:53:06   with Google and Google what what they seem to be doing is really cleaning [TS]

00:53:09   everything up and I was actually gonna write a piece on this a couple months [TS]

00:53:13   ago when the LG G three came out mad fun is really clean now you know algae [TS]

00:53:18   cleaned up their act there and didn't throw on all these types of widgets and [TS]

00:53:24   these little buzzing things they used to have on their franz they they really did [TS]

00:53:28   a nice job sort of cleaning the interface up in there still some of it [TS]

00:53:31   and you gotta go through and deleted all but for the most part they've done a [TS]

00:53:35   good job and you know when you look at some of the other stuff that's been [TS]

00:53:39   coming out i mean the L version of Android a lot of the stuff is looking [TS]

00:53:43   really clean and polished there's no reason Samsung couldn't just stick with [TS]

00:53:48   that of course they want to put their mark on it but ya see the problem then [TS]

00:53:52   is that they're not differentiated you know maybe they were closer with Google [TS]

00:53:56   to figure out what that is for them just making these things ugly right somehow [TS]

00:54:01   get most somehow work out a thing with Google to get most favored handset [TS]

00:54:05   makers status and get a new version of Android first or something but right now [TS]

00:54:10   maybe maybe this stuff just bothers us I have I see a lot of people and i friends [TS]

00:54:15   with with with galaxy phones and they still have the crap just sitting there [TS]

00:54:19   they just have those those s widgets in s health widgets just sitting there on [TS]

00:54:24   the home screen it's like you guys need that right it doesn't bother you is like [TS]

00:54:28   looking at like a really ugly painting on your phone or your wall every day but [TS]

00:54:33   it baffles me to no end but it's true that I think probably most people don't [TS]

00:54:38   even think about stuff like that they don't see any of it registers at any [TS]

00:54:42   level it doesn't register the level where they wanted to go out and do [TS]

00:54:45   something [TS]

00:54:46   but the problem is is those aren't good customers because if they don't even [TS]

00:54:49   care that you gave him crap we're on your this you know this year's LG [TS]

00:54:53   whatever 22 years ago two years in our three years from now when they get a new [TS]

00:54:58   phone they're not gonna have any kind of loyalty to that device to not gonna come [TS]

00:55:01   in and say I want the new LG think they're just going to say whatever you [TS]

00:55:05   know if there if they said whatever when you show them this phone that has all [TS]

00:55:09   this crap they gonna go into the Verizon store and save just give me whatever [TS]

00:55:12   three years from now and right not a gif it to Samsung now needs to see that [TS]

00:55:18   that's why they're they're they're all trying to differentiate on software and [TS]

00:55:22   and when you the irony here is when you think about it when you take a Windows [TS]

00:55:25   Phone out the box you don't you don't get a cleaner experience and you do you [TS]

00:55:29   get as a similar clean experience but this is a really polished experience [TS]

00:55:35   there's not a lot of crap anywhere even if there is a sort of hidden below the [TS]

00:55:39   main aur main centres tiles it's a really clean experience and I think it [TS]

00:55:44   easier 14 people out of the box and said that in the review this week is that I [TS]

00:55:48   would rather teach someone how to use the Windows Phone than entering yeah [TS]

00:55:52   yeah I would have everything I've seen yet definitely it's a lot it doesn't go [TS]

00:55:58   with it doesn't seem like stuff is nested right it's a lot flatter [TS]

00:56:03   conceptually not flat in visual you know you know I wesson although not the [TS]

00:56:08   flight your eyes are flat in terms of if you're just gonna map it out on a [TS]

00:56:12   whiteboard here's the how to find things yeah here's how to find things a lot [TS]

00:56:17   simpler our next bouncer is another longtime supporter of the show our good [TS]

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00:56:59   their servers in the cloud they have over 100 petabytes of data backed up now [TS]

00:57:05   a couple weeks ago I asked to clarify this a petabyte is 1000 terabytes or [TS]

00:57:12   perhaps some 2024 terabyte that's the next level up from a terabyte they have [TS]

00:57:21   over 100 terabytes of data backed up anyone guess can backup your data but [TS]

00:57:29   why would you getting it back while back boys has just crossed the six billion [TS]

00:57:35   files restored in other words users of back by his have restored over six [TS]

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00:57:47   anywhere they have an iPhone app lets you access and share any of your files [TS]

00:57:52   so while you're on the phone you can log in the back open back up go there [TS]

00:57:58   navigate any file and you can email it to somebody so if you're out and about [TS]

00:58:02   so you know it on your Mac you know back prices backed it up and get to arrive [TS]

00:58:07   from your phone email it or whatever you want to do it right from there when you [TS]

00:58:13   do restore you can restore one file at a time [TS]

00:58:17   couple of files for all your files easily with the web or 25% of all back [TS]

00:58:23   by three stories are just one file at a time it's not just for computer [TS]

00:58:26   disasters I might just be because you can access one file when you're on [TS]

00:58:30   another machine always mention is that place was founded by former Apple [TS]

00:58:36   engineers it runs in native on your Mac and I'm a Forex [TS]

00:58:42   the price is just unbelievable there's no add-ons no gimmicks no upsells no [TS]

00:58:47   additional charges it's just five bucks a month [TS]

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00:58:55   knowing that everything on your computer is backed up [TS]

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00:59:13   just go there don't give me credit cards download it and try it out and here's [TS]

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00:59:26   really encourage everybody if you haven't done it already trying out one [TS]

00:59:30   of the other pieces i've seen this month you did a piece on I think this was [TS]

00:59:34   probably in the aftermath of your mega what how many people how many laptops [TS]

00:59:40   that you reviewed 29 I i had about 20 laptops Windows laptop sitting up you [TS]

00:59:47   did a yeoman's work you did here's all twenty laptops you know right now today [TS]

00:59:54   it's back-to-school season it's early August people a lot of a lot of kids are [TS]

00:59:59   going to be by and getting their laptops here is you know this summer we can talk [TS]

01:00:03   about that a bit but in the aftermath of that you also did enough with the [TS]

01:00:06   crapware and yeah with advice on that and that's like one of those things [TS]

01:00:10   where it's like a long time [TS]

01:00:12   Mac users like believe that that's still think I now i cant believe it's still a [TS]

01:00:17   thing you know I used to review PCs like 10 week and I just used to be something [TS]

01:00:21   I like new I would be dealing with and I guess I just thought maybe when Windows [TS]

01:00:28   8 came like where were they going to put the crap where were they going to put it [TS]

01:00:30   on the tile screens while they just kept putting it on the tile screens and on [TS]

01:00:34   the on the desktop just nothing could be one of the things that makes me I don't [TS]

01:00:45   know if I get more angry at the pop-ups that come up like if you're doing [TS]

01:00:49   something like I was writing my column in something and then Mike three McAfee [TS]

01:00:53   or Norton pop-up ads come at you and your like [TS]

01:00:56   you know I already told you I'm not gonna reboot the system or give you my [TS]

01:01:00   email address right now or when you open up the laptop and you have eBay ads on [TS]

01:01:06   your desktop it's like really eBay at why is that the strategy at this is why [TS]

01:01:13   does he pay even want to be involved in like I understood five years ago why [TS]

01:01:17   eBay was on my dad was doing that right but like now really eBay like let's get [TS]

01:01:22   with the times they relied [TS]

01:01:24   who is really getting invested in eBay because it's sitting on their desktop [TS]

01:01:28   I've heard it said that you know the reason is this such a promise that hold [TS]

01:01:33   that whole race race to the bottom pricing wise in the PC market and i dont [TS]

01:01:39   have been Thompson somebody but I've heard it said before it makes sense [TS]

01:01:43   intuitively at some level of that when you're selling a laptop for $350 or [TS]

01:01:48   something like that you're really not making any money on the hardware at all [TS]

01:01:54   and that the only money somebody like telmex when they sell $350 laptop is [TS]

01:01:58   whatever they get from stuff like McAfee or Norton or whoever else is in those [TS]

01:02:04   things like that the money they get from those deals is really the only money [TS]

01:02:07   they get period but but I come back to eBay because because it's eBay's fault [TS]

01:02:14   for keeping I mean they must get a lot of traffic from these things right by [TS]

01:02:18   moscow they must be there must be some reason there must be getting some return [TS]

01:02:22   on their investment here but i just think that this could be the problem why [TS]

01:02:26   eBay has fallen behind some of these other retailer retailer site is like [TS]

01:02:31   figure out a better marketing method then spamming me as soon as I open my [TS]

01:02:35   windows a computer [TS]

01:02:36   yeah now I think it's it's you've got a problem not just with your marketing but [TS]

01:02:43   probably with your product as well if your marketing campaign is you [TS]

01:02:47   strategizing against your users right you know it doesn't matter what really [TS]

01:02:53   bothers [TS]

01:02:54   you know once opening their computer maybe maybe this is happening maybe [TS]

01:02:59   someone is opening their computer seeing and being like you know why I should [TS]

01:03:02   really go sell that old coffee maker I am on eBay [TS]

01:03:06   thank you for interrupting me in the middle of me trying to do something else [TS]

01:03:10   to do that I'm reminded of a couple years ago for a while long while it [TS]

01:03:15   seemed the only pop-up ads I ever saw like our pop under ads was from Netflix [TS]

01:03:23   you know I had Safari and Chrome with built-in pop-up blocking and it you know [TS]

01:03:29   somehow and doesn't surprise me that Netflix was able to figure out you know [TS]

01:03:34   was the woman you know I come down with smart enough to figure out loopholes [TS]

01:03:37   through the pop under blocking but it always struck me as why are they doing [TS]

01:03:42   this why is Netflix of our company is a company that I want to like they do why [TS]

01:03:47   are they paying for these pop under ads now you're totally right I would come [TS]

01:03:51   back to my computer and I have a Netflix add up on my screen it was they were the [TS]

01:03:54   only ones I ever saw and I dunno I don't know one hand I sort of solute their [TS]

01:03:59   their ingenuity for being the one company that was figuring out how to get [TS]

01:04:03   around the built-in pop-up blockers but on the other hand yeah but why are they [TS]

01:04:09   doing this thing that makes me think about maybe going over the Netflix and [TS]

01:04:13   cancel my subscription [TS]

01:04:16   yeah and I was probably before Netflix really had hit a big no no I don't know [TS]

01:04:22   yeah it's been awhile it's been a long time but I at the time when I remember [TS]

01:04:26   seeing them being annoyed they were still more of a disk service streaming [TS]

01:04:31   service but it just seemed like an odd very odd branding choice to associate [TS]

01:04:36   themselves with a form of advertising that browsers explicitly that the [TS]

01:04:43   browser's advertise we block this stuff right [TS]

01:04:47   yeah I mean it was it's very frustrating to that even on the highest and Windows [TS]

01:04:53   laptops you're still getting some of that some of these crap where he says [TS]

01:04:58   I'm just thinking you know the Acer that I talked about in that quick sidebars [TS]

01:05:03   that I wrote to them the laptop he's that's a that's a $1300 computer you can [TS]

01:05:08   get it now for $9.99 or with $8.99 Microsoft storms and I i really did a [TS]

01:05:17   lot of showing their form I mean I've basically telling everyone go by your [TS]

01:05:20   your computers at Microsoft stores because you're getting these really good [TS]

01:05:23   deals on them and then be they are not selling them with junk we're so everyone [TS]

01:05:27   by your computer so Microsoft stores if you're in the market for a Windows PC [TS]

01:05:31   but I had gotten this one from Acer and I mean this is a thirty comes with a [TS]

01:05:36   nice case the box smelled good the whole thing is like a really Premium Package [TS]

01:05:40   you cannot even believe Acer made this computer I mean I can remember reviewing [TS]

01:05:46   some of the worst of the worst technology that I remember viewing came [TS]

01:05:49   from a search like terrible laptops years ago and so like you look at this [TS]

01:05:54   beautiful piece of hardware you open up the thing and then you see nor in eBay [TS]

01:05:58   tons of third-party apps that you're just like you know I think they were [TS]

01:06:02   from Chinese I would say a B word processor something like that the name [TS]

01:06:12   of the company but you know like you just paid really like you paid a lot of [TS]

01:06:17   money for a really nice computer why the stuff still sitting here clearly I'm [TS]

01:06:22   glad I do I think I think it's worth getting angry about though I do because [TS]

01:06:28   especially [TS]

01:06:29   you know especially for the ones that you pay a premium for like if you're if [TS]

01:06:34   you're buying a tour $300 laptop it still stinks that you're getting loaded [TS]

01:06:40   with the getting loaded with crap where but you can understand the economics of [TS]

01:06:43   it but like you said a $999 laptop if your laptop is $100 more than the [TS]

01:06:49   entry-level MacBook that's that's you know you're in new premium price hike [TS]

01:06:54   famously Apple's MacBooks are started the high end of prices and there's real [TS]

01:07:01   actors can see how it's why you nickel nickel and diming but it's exactly what [TS]

01:07:06   you said before it that that's where many of these companies are making [TS]

01:07:08   profit and sales teams from a certain doubts all these are convincing these [TS]

01:07:12   people that it's great real estate but on a 999 laptop or a $13.99 laptop that [TS]

01:07:17   shouldn't be where they're making a profit they should be able to you know [TS]

01:07:20   make a profit selling at with the clean version of Windows that's true [TS]

01:07:25   these are the add-ons that there you know it's better for them and then on [TS]

01:07:30   top of it they did they get the browser's that's another thing it does [TS]

01:07:33   still yeah really how did they what does that mean that means there's there's [TS]

01:07:38   like a tool like a toolbar thats preloaded in the browser [TS]

01:07:43   1998 yet again with eBay wow i mean that you based up really bothers me I'm not [TS]

01:07:49   sure why I like maybe a link to a better I just don't do that much stuff anymore [TS]

01:07:57   Amazon's in the in the same business Amazon may be able to Sheba reloads [TS]

01:08:03   there at three loads and Amazon app I don't know I should have done this more [TS]

01:08:11   scientifically and the Chromebooks now Chromebooks are really low price points [TS]

01:08:18   for the most part I like the the what's the Google's on the pics all but most of [TS]

01:08:26   them you know the whole point of them is that they're sort of the new netbooks [TS]

01:08:30   prices are they do they come with crap we're now now and and Google is very [TS]

01:08:37   strict about what these OEMs can put on our big they are just like Android in [TS]

01:08:44   some ways you know where they haven't sort of these strict guidelines I mean [TS]

01:08:47   obviously you know they let people customize their way more controlled when [TS]

01:08:51   it comes to crime books so I wonder if Microsoft can't enforce it just because [TS]

01:08:57   of the remaining fallout from the 1997 antitrust us that they can't they can [TS]

01:09:05   bring the hammer down and say you can't cuz I know you know Ben Thompson used to [TS]

01:09:09   work at Microsoft he's been explicit about it publicly that it's a huge [TS]

01:09:14   frustration inside the halls in Redmond that the windows that most people see is [TS]

01:09:22   so junked up right from the start [TS]

01:09:25   well I mean it does affect performance there is no doubt that it affects [TS]

01:09:28   performance was just stuff that you could just sweep away and put it in a in [TS]

01:09:32   like a little folder that's one but the stuff affects performance of these [TS]

01:09:36   things popping up you know one of the apps open because they told me I had to [TS]

01:09:40   like you know do I want to agree or whatever and the WildTangent games [TS]

01:09:44   that's a whole other situation where if you open that up that's running in the [TS]

01:09:48   browser and they've got another app that's running so yeah I mean no doubt [TS]

01:09:53   Microsoft has been upset about this tougher for forever and that's why [TS]

01:09:57   they're they're offering it in their stores without this yeah and I think [TS]

01:10:01   that it's you know for a long time I mean Apple's always focused on a lot of [TS]

01:10:07   effort on first run experience on good stuff like good packaging and stuff like [TS]

01:10:12   that even before you turn advice on that it should be already be having a good [TS]

01:10:17   experience just opening the box and for a long time they were unique in that [TS]

01:10:22   regard they were sort of that the wild stepchild of the industry but you know [TS]

01:10:26   anybody who's successful people are going to start studying what they do and [TS]

01:10:30   clearly Apple's you know the last 10 years is the most successful gadget [TS]

01:10:35   maker in the industry and I think it caught on and everybody is you know the [TS]

01:10:40   average packaging and general you're saying that even an Acer comes with [TS]

01:10:43   good packaging now I think that's right i think thats the apple of his good as a [TS]

01:10:48   nap as a Macbook and yes you know this is the thing about laptops miles is very [TS]

01:10:53   important you know I remember I used to have in college I had one of my jobs [TS]

01:10:57   internship was more like a 90 John and so sometimes I get a new department was [TS]

01:11:06   getting a new shipment of computers in I know exactly what you're talking about [TS]

01:11:10   ways to get details at this place and we know we have like eight boxes open and [TS]

01:11:15   they did it was like a bad smell like an acidic hell yeah I think there was an HP [TS]

01:11:25   couple of years ago [TS]

01:11:28   no no no it was down last year where people were complaining that there are [TS]

01:11:33   lapped the new laptops to remember that I do remember that I'm people were [TS]

01:11:40   writing in and it had something to do with like the glue some sort of yeah [TS]

01:11:45   yeah I mean you can get a bad feeling laptop mostly though like I have this [TS]

01:11:50   like I just love the smell of new laptop like a new car you know I have really [TS]

01:11:56   showing my hand here on the podcast I know exactly what you mean a new [TS]

01:12:02   MacBooks now some really good and a new MacBook Air even better [TS]

01:12:07   yeah yeah it's no coincidence you know that's not just by chance it's buggy [TS]

01:12:12   carrying about stuff like that and using good materials and not using cheap glue [TS]

01:12:16   and but I do remember that like by when we would have liked paid eight new PCs [TS]

01:12:22   came in we gotta set him up and it was you know it wasn't like like you know [TS]

01:12:26   those people who work with raw sewage I mean there are a lot of people have on a [TS]

01:12:30   regular basis on their job but it wasn't pleasant right we're terrible people we [TS]

01:12:34   sit here we are horrible people clamoring about the laptop that doesn't [TS]

01:12:39   smell good [TS]

01:12:41   my job is so hard [TS]

01:12:45   but that's interesting it is interesting to me the Chromebooks don't have that [TS]

01:12:50   problem you know and and the first run experience like here I've got this new [TS]

01:12:53   thing you know I just bought it and that's when you're like you know it's [TS]

01:12:57   it's a psychological thing first impressions really do matter may turn it [TS]

01:13:02   on here is our turn it on what's the first thing I see I am I getting Bharat [TS]

01:13:05   you know broj of ads or am I getting you know professional designers have you [TS]

01:13:11   know giving you this on boarding experience to make it pleasant it [TS]

01:13:15   matters cuz that's like your first impression of the device the first time [TS]

01:13:19   you turn it on [TS]

01:13:21   is is like the starting point of the graph of your customer satisfaction with [TS]

01:13:25   it [TS]

01:13:26   yeah it's not your customer satisfaction doesn't start at zero and start inching [TS]

01:13:31   up it it it's got its start somewhere [TS]

01:13:34   based on that first experience or the excitement that you got a new product [TS]

01:13:39   and you're excited to open and then it's like you know a record scratch or you [TS]

01:13:44   know happy music are you are you enjoying getting this new thing yeah [TS]

01:13:51   that's a good point because when your devices but it's just like a brand new [TS]

01:13:53   car you're excited you're excited to just go to the grocery store and drive [TS]

01:13:57   to the grocery store when you have a brand new car because it's got a new car [TS]

01:14:01   open phones all the time but when I get my own new phone that is a different [TS]

01:14:06   experience i I'm like this is mind like this is this is gonna be mined for [TS]

01:14:11   however long the foreseeable future for years many people keep their laptops you [TS]

01:14:17   know alright I think that's what it used to be I know now if that's the case but [TS]

01:14:21   I think it's longer and longer I think that you know and that's part of the [TS]

01:14:24   problem and the PC industry is facing I said people running longer because [TS]

01:14:28   they're doing stuff like you know they don't feel like they need a new PC that [TS]

01:14:31   often because they're doing so much on their tablet or other just you know in [TS]

01:14:36   the web browser and they don't need half the other power that is that they have [TS]

01:14:39   but that is interesting to me that that Google enforces that pretty tight even [TS]

01:14:45   on these devices that are selling for as low as 250 bucks yeah definitely [TS]

01:14:50   mostly also made on the hardware is so low in [TS]

01:14:54   and you know when you even this Acer I have the 299 720 the Chromebook I mean [TS]

01:15:01   this is not a nice feeling computer but it's it's fine for the price [TS]

01:15:06   yeah I've seen it and I know that it's it's the I think it's one of the main [TS]

01:15:12   ways that Chromebooks are starting to actually have an effect on the industry [TS]

01:15:18   is I K 12 education here at my son school they do have some iPads but it's [TS]

01:15:24   an awful lot of Chromebooks and like when they do writing and stuff like that [TS]

01:15:28   Chromebook and in Google Docs and I can't really blame him and and it's [TS]

01:15:36   funny talking to my son about his friends they do complain about them [TS]

01:15:39   causes most of these kids have like Apple stuff at home and they even [TS]

01:15:42   complain about the things being this isn't like like my son playing to me [TS]

01:15:46   knowing if anything he would tease me and if he did he do better he teased me [TS]

01:15:51   and tell me how much he likes the Chromebook it's just hit you know means [TS]

01:15:55   suddenly gauging his opinion piece of junk you know like the trackpad you know [TS]

01:16:03   and the kids tonight I've said this before kids today are nuts about things [TS]

01:16:06   like frame rate because it's often the games and he interviewed even even just [TS]

01:16:10   using the Chromebook for school work it's a terrible yeah he says framerate [TS]

01:16:14   yeah [TS]

01:16:16   today kids today are not about frame rates and they all know sixty the [TS]

01:16:20   everybody knows that sixty is what you want you want 60 frames per second [TS]

01:16:24   hold on I think I've been kids definitely no slow now cuz like my iPad [TS]

01:16:29   doesn't do that but do you think maybe only your kid knows the word for Murray [TS]

01:16:34   no definitely not because they watched they all watch youtube videos nonstop [TS]

01:16:40   games and while they visit this is what kids in Minecraft doesn't matter whether [TS]

01:16:47   a Minecraft you know the Arkham Batman doesn't matter what you do as a kid [TS]

01:16:52   today is you start playing a video game on device [TS]

01:16:55   could be your phone and could be your iPad could be you know we you or [TS]

01:17:01   whatever and then under vice be you watch videos of people playing the game [TS]

01:17:06   at the same time and it's you know it's non-stop chatter about things like crime [TS]

01:17:11   rate and stuff like that [TS]

01:17:12   not from Mike trust me he's not unusual he's 10+2 framerates primates are huge [TS]

01:17:21   deal that's so funny you know I didn't even think about that I mean I i at work [TS]

01:17:28   the makeup artist her daughter talks to me about Minecraft constantly and she [TS]

01:17:33   and she's constantly you know time I saw this video Minecraft and they built this [TS]

01:17:38   did that so I totally know your I just the idea that like a kid would be [TS]

01:17:42   sitting on this product is terrible [TS]

01:17:45   the fact that a kid would be saying that is amazing to me and so I thought in my [TS]

01:17:49   head like oh yeah of course of course John's so but is not yet you win that [TS]

01:17:54   would make some degree of sense but it's not it it isn't it's just common like [TS]

01:17:58   the one of the most disparaging words like a fourth or fifth grader can use to [TS]

01:18:02   describe something is laggy like he is liking this is a huge issue gonna be way [TS]

01:18:10   better reviewers and I am yeah it's a huge deal with all the kids who are in [TS]

01:18:14   minecraftskydoesminecraft is so extensible you can plug plug in like new [TS]

01:18:19   shaders so that you can get a totally different graphics engine when it's done [TS]

01:18:26   right it's it's you know if you're running on like a MacBook Air or [TS]

01:18:29   something like that you get like that's that's that's the worst thing that could [TS]

01:18:34   possibly happen then I can totally see why schools are loading up on these [TS]

01:18:38   things because if I were gonna put devices in the hands of fourth- and [TS]

01:18:42   fifth-graders you know it makes an awful lot of sense to give him a $200 thing [TS]

01:18:47   that if they drop it needs to be replaced [TS]

01:18:50   you know it's not gonna crack like like an iPad right yeah and that also is it [TS]

01:18:57   ties into another thing that you've written about recently mentioned which [TS]

01:19:02   is the whole thing on [TS]

01:19:05   do you still need a microsoft office you see the pattern here it was it was [TS]

01:19:09   Microsoft August yeah my life it just happened that those topics sort of were [TS]

01:19:16   in good succession cause I did the laptop peace and obviously you know the [TS]

01:19:20   peace led with recommending the air and I got a lot of emails from people saying [TS]

01:19:26   well how am I supposed to use the air without Microsoft Office and so I had to [TS]

01:19:31   write back to people and explain to the Microsoft Office has been available for [TS]

01:19:34   the air for a really long time and I'm pretty sure Microsoft Excel shipped on [TS]

01:19:42   the Mac first it was you know I am and to their credit some people wrote back [TS]

01:19:48   and said yes but it's a far inferior product on the market said I actually [TS]

01:19:52   agree I have to use Microsoft Office on on my Mac and i actually run parallel [TS]

01:19:56   sometimes to run Windows Microsoft Office 365 to get a better outlook [TS]

01:20:02   experience blah blah blah so just started getting you know my thinking ok [TS]

01:20:07   well maybe we should do a piece right now explaining to people that maybe they [TS]

01:20:10   don't need to microsoft office and so yeah that was that was that peace and [TS]

01:20:15   then it just happened to be that that Windows 8 was when it's funny [TS]

01:20:18   was launching on this HTC and so every week I feel as if I've been getting a [TS]

01:20:25   nice look at what's going on in Redmond well and I do think that there's an [TS]

01:20:29   interesting angle there on education where you know like my son school with a [TS]

01:20:35   lot of the stuff he does it gets turned into the teacher by Google Docs that you [TS]

01:20:40   don't have documents there's no you don't save stuff to your hard drive in [TS]

01:20:45   and printed out and handed in its you know I'm not even sure exactly what that [TS]

01:20:52   steps are but it's you know it's completely through the school's Google [TS]

01:20:59   Docs thank office then yeah I mean I my entire editing process is now done in [TS]

01:21:06   in Google Docs we when idea what that print editors we move back to two word [TS]

01:21:11   but when I do it by direct editor where we're just completely in Google Docs and [TS]

01:21:16   it's a great I mean I compared office word online and Excel and PowerPoint [TS]

01:21:21   online to Google Docs and then also what Apple's been doing with iCloud pages and [TS]

01:21:28   spreadsheets and Numbers and Keynote and you know all of those platforms have [TS]

01:21:33   added really substantial sharing and collaboration features but Google still [TS]

01:21:38   has just it's it's really built into the platform like it you can tell that [TS]

01:21:43   that's where this was like this that was the main reason they built some of these [TS]

01:21:47   features or these platforms like it's almost like I i and i think is actually [TS]

01:21:52   true I think Google built Google Docs so they would be able to collaborate on [TS]

01:21:55   documents rather than just have something that lived in the cloud and it [TS]

01:22:00   feels that way like the sharing capabilities are better than being able [TS]

01:22:03   to comment on what somebody's written being able to live at it and watch them [TS]

01:22:07   live at it it all works better still on Google stuff yeah and I do think that [TS]

01:22:12   it's a good thing you're exactly right that it's it really matters where the [TS]

01:22:18   product started right now the pay the new iCloud pages on our featured the [TS]

01:22:24   sharing functionality but they have some interesting stuff in there that I [TS]

01:22:27   actually a couple small features of Google Docs had this now so you know [TS]

01:22:32   they've got it they're still playing catch up on some of the other things [TS]

01:22:35   like commenting like seeing some of that live editing but like if I sent you my [TS]

01:22:40   my iCloud pages thing now you don't have to log in at all you can just create a [TS]

01:22:44   name like you can just write you know Gruber and you can just jump into the [TS]

01:22:48   document without having to log in at all and I think that's actually a feature [TS]

01:22:51   that Google and the big thing too is it you don't mean a whole basis of all of [TS]

01:22:57   that sharon is that you don't have to coordinate any ok I'm going to open it [TS]

01:23:01   now [TS]

01:23:01   don't change to make any changes dropbox is amazing amazing service but like if [TS]

01:23:07   you're sharing a document between two people on Dropbox like a nap that's not [TS]

01:23:12   meant doesn't really isn't aware of Dropbox just open it up in [TS]

01:23:16   numbers whatever you can easily run into problems even just with yourself if you [TS]

01:23:22   have it open on two machines at the same time where you make changes on one side [TS]

01:23:26   and different changes on the other side now you've you know your overriding it [TS]

01:23:29   as opposed to it well and having it you know Google Docs from day one where as [TS]

01:23:38   you type in the document that the keystroke show up on mine right and it's [TS]

01:23:44   it's meant to be used by different people at the same time and mentor that [TS]

01:23:50   as opposed to the problems you can run into with apps that are rooted in a [TS]

01:23:56   design where it's your files on your computer [TS]

01:24:00   point yeah yeah and I think you know I mean I was actually really impress where [TS]

01:24:06   where Apple's comment that I mean Microsoft has had a lot of these [TS]

01:24:09   features and they're getting better but the problem with Microsoft is there [TS]

01:24:13   still trying to bring these features to the desktop version and it just doesn't [TS]

01:24:18   work they're just really doesn't work there and the other thing too and you [TS]

01:24:23   see it you know there's actually the same product pages you know the sharing [TS]

01:24:26   is really good in iCloud pages but when you try and do it from the desktop app [TS]

01:24:29   it's it's not as good [TS]

01:24:30   yeah and that's a real problem I think it's because the desktop version in [TS]

01:24:35   every other regards better you know in terms of just you know like going back [TS]

01:24:40   to lagging ass and stuff like that you know native apps run better than apps [TS]

01:24:46   jury rig through HTML Javascript and CSS but that you're right though that the [TS]

01:24:51   sharing stuff doesn't work as well like in terms of live updates and stuff but [TS]

01:24:55   they're still like these roots of an old school you know your file save to your [TS]

01:25:01   hard disk mentality there i mean you know when you look at the whole [TS]

01:25:07   ecosystem of things I mean [TS]

01:25:09   like talked about in this pieces like ultimately comes down to what what would [TS]

01:25:15   you want to pay for and I include you know there's no reason to pay for office [TS]

01:25:21   anymore if you just need the basics and you can get those in even if you prefer [TS]

01:25:25   using the office [TS]

01:25:27   interface you can get all that for free now through Word and Excel and [TS]

01:25:30   PowerPoint online yeah yeah yeah but I do I wonder too how it's going to play [TS]

01:25:38   out with cuz it's the sort of like it doesn't happen everything I try to focus [TS]

01:25:45   on the big picture as much as I can I think I do a better job than than a lot [TS]

01:25:49   of people who write about tech but it's so hard to look past just even the next [TS]

01:25:54   year but it's some things take five six seven 10 years like what happened when [TS]

01:26:00   like today's 10 year olds are freshmen in college eight years from now I think [TS]

01:26:05   microsoft office is gonna seem like you know like using a mainframe from the [TS]

01:26:10   sixties like nobody's gonna be using that I couldn't agree more I think I [TS]

01:26:15   think when you look at its two things one it's the idea of installing software [TS]

01:26:21   in in this regard that you'd have to you somehow install with you know of course [TS]

01:26:26   now kids are really used to using apps but I think the idea that kids start to [TS]

01:26:32   get used to is that they can just get that alot alot of that stuff through the [TS]

01:26:35   web browser and then second of all the idea of paying for something like that I [TS]

01:26:41   i just i dont think its I don't think it's the reality and well I think the [TS]

01:26:46   other thing too is that with the filesystem mentality to submit your work [TS]

01:26:52   to the teacher it whether it's printed or even if it was like you know I'm sure [TS]

01:26:57   a lot of people who you know certainly since I've been in school but who've [TS]

01:27:00   been able to email their homework to their teachers and stuff like that but [TS]

01:27:03   when you do something like that you're sending a copy doesn't matter whether [TS]

01:27:07   it's a hard copy Arcilla digital copy it's ok i've i've sent a copy of this [TS]

01:27:12   document as an email attachment [TS]

01:27:14   there's a copy of it that that whole there's a bunch of different copies of [TS]

01:27:19   it mentality is it's not like the live living thing right right here's this [TS]

01:27:24   this one URL and it's the same URL from my end as a student at where I go to [TS]

01:27:29   type and from the teachers and it's just where they bring it up to read it and [TS]

01:27:34   put their remarks and you not you know the the the whole issue of having [TS]

01:27:39   various versions of a document copied you know who's got the right version and [TS]

01:27:44   now the teacher sent me a new copy back with you know with their comments it's [TS]

01:27:49   craziness from I think from kids perspective today just not even gonna [TS]

01:27:53   get it and understand it and that's where you know who knows if we'll be [TS]

01:27:57   paying for cloud storage then all signs point to us not really paying for cloud [TS]

01:28:02   storage even now at this point we're paying for a terabyte of storage $10 a [TS]

01:28:07   month [TS]

01:28:08   expecting that to go down i mean that's sort of equation where you think I'm not [TS]

01:28:14   paying for the software but I'm paying for this platform to keep these [TS]

01:28:19   documents alive and not save them to my bike as you're saying and not saving [TS]

01:28:23   them as a file not seeing them as a copy seems to make more sense for the [TS]

01:28:28   structure of these types of services which is a Microsoft is going with this [TS]

01:28:34   office 365 them yeah I think that they see it but I still think even though the [TS]

01:28:39   Dacia and I think they're doing great work with it they're still in a [TS]

01:28:44   dangerous spot where they're there they seem to need to financially they need to [TS]

01:28:48   protect the existing operations and existing business and that's in conflict [TS]

01:28:53   with the future [TS]

01:28:55   absolutely yeah yeah now it's it's been an interesting couple of columns to look [TS]

01:29:03   at Microsoft in how they try and figure out how they form or fit into the future [TS]

01:29:10   you know even even from the Windows laptop piece that I wrote you know when [TS]

01:29:17   you look at [TS]

01:29:18   when you look at the problems in the thoughts that they had about windows 8 [TS]

01:29:22   and where they've sort of ended up now which is really kind of coming full [TS]

01:29:26   circle back to ok we we can't abandon core windows and we got to sort of come [TS]

01:29:31   back to the traditional desktop and you look at all these devices that are [TS]

01:29:37   supposed to be tablets that are supposed to be hybrid machines and really I think [TS]

01:29:41   a lot of people are just using them as traditional laptops [TS]

01:29:45   you know it's makes you wonder how cyclical some of this stuff is going to [TS]

01:29:50   be yeah let me take your last break right here [TS]

01:29:55   rounding out a long time [TS]

01:29:55   rounding out a long time [TS]

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01:33:46   two more things I want to talk about after having gone through all those [TS]

01:33:49   laptops is first trackpads like it is that still a problem on Windows PCs [TS]

01:33:59   where the track pads are just grossly inferior to the MacBook ones or Ave [TS]

01:34:03   finally caught up a little bit now but still it's it's it's still one of texts [TS]

01:34:08   greatest unsolved problems are mysteries I do not understand why Windows PC [TS]

01:34:13   makers cannot figure out how to make a trackpad [TS]

01:34:16   as good as apples and it's not purely software because everything I've read is [TS]

01:34:21   that when you run it reboot your MacBook you know in Windows Yeah Yeahs its the [TS]

01:34:27   best Windows trackpad you'll ever use yup yup I did I did a piece right before [TS]

01:34:32   I left the verge a couple of years ago on why the MacBook Air was almost as [TS]

01:34:35   good of an ultrabook as any PC maker could make right keyboard were big part [TS]

01:34:41   of it right [TS]

01:34:43   been recommended in this laptop piece that just buying one of these laptops [TS]

01:34:47   these Windows 8 laptops with a touchscreen first of all there just [TS]

01:34:50   isn't there just like they're all competitive pricing you basically even [TS]

01:34:53   from the $500 range even down you can get a Windows laptop with the touch [TS]

01:34:58   screen so just buy one at the touch screen because if you run into these [TS]

01:35:01   problems with the trackpad you can reach out and touch the screen it's almost [TS]

01:35:05   like us like a small band-aid on the problem but yeah you know in some places [TS]

01:35:11   it's been fixed like Lenovo's works better than some a suit is understand [TS]

01:35:17   why that Chuck pettis it's like trying to use sandpaper israel's kind of breaks [TS]

01:35:26   a little bad it's just like it seems to be the last place they're focusing on [TS]

01:35:31   and it's like that's one of them I mean if you can travelgate your computer [TS]

01:35:36   why do you have a computer yeah it should be one of the first I i [TS]

01:35:39   especially I i find you know I have a desk I still have a real keyboard stuff [TS]

01:35:45   at my desk great try to do most of my writing but when I'm on my MacBook Air [TS]

01:35:49   it's more if anything more than at my desk it's a little bit more consumption [TS]

01:35:55   and that means like needing to scroll and stuff like that and if the trackpad [TS]

01:36:00   every time the trackpad gives me trouble it's always annoying you know i cant its [TS]

01:36:04   central to the experience to me the trackpad on there I mean I actually now [TS]

01:36:09   this is an example I have a Thunderbolt Display at my desk at work and you know [TS]

01:36:15   i think i ti said well just close your MacBook and just use that and we'll get [TS]

01:36:20   you in a spare keyboard and I said no I don't want to use the [TS]

01:36:23   the trackpad the Magic Trackpad and I really like my heirs keyboards I want to [TS]

01:36:28   use that as the home base and just look at the screen because I I can live with [TS]

01:36:34   the trackpad I can use the mouse that what you know what I've seen and I'm [TS]

01:36:39   like you you know like you in Times Square just looking at you know carry [TS]

01:36:44   find anybody using Windows front when I travel I do I airports I love to just [TS]

01:36:49   look what are people using and on vacation I get disney world what are [TS]

01:36:54   people taking their pictures with when you're holding their cameras and tablets [TS]

01:36:57   up what what kind of devices that I see so many people but always with PCs [TS]

01:37:03   almost never with a MacBook mice with my side I i this is like my think you I I [TS]

01:37:10   pretty much count laptops when I go in coffee shops and like I will just do [TS]

01:37:14   like the mental mafic ok you know looking at this pace thirty percent of [TS]

01:37:19   the people in here using PCs and and there and then 50% or a hundred percent [TS]

01:37:25   of those thirty percent are using are using mice I saw two guys you know I who [TS]

01:37:32   are obviously colleagues setting up and like the hotel forget where I was but it [TS]

01:37:40   was a good hotel bar lab / lounge you know but a relatively small table they [TS]

01:37:45   both had huge laptops 15 inch PCs in a big not not bear style with a tiny mouse [TS]

01:37:52   with the tiny mouse but they were on the same table like battleship style you [TS]

01:37:58   know what I mean like that but it was a small cocktail table with two big laptop [TS]

01:38:03   they only had like a few inches and they both had mice and they're just had to [TS]

01:38:08   pick up the money you know they had to keep it up to move it around in it right [TS]

01:38:14   and i was wonder what their DNA you know just curious as I went to the restaurant [TS]

01:38:17   like look over and they were both doing something in Excel or some other [TS]

01:38:20   spreadsheet other notes but clearly they were doing spreadsheet work but they [TS]

01:38:24   both with these huge laptops and no room on the table we're using mice and I [TS]

01:38:28   thought [TS]

01:38:29   has got to be a sign that you know that they've got terrible track pets right or [TS]

01:38:34   it's it's habit I think people have this habit of using nice they know how to use [TS]

01:38:38   their keyboard shortcuts with their left hand and they have the right hand on the [TS]

01:38:41   mouse but I don't I don't know why I thought I would say if you asked most [TS]

01:38:49   people who own a MacBook or MacBook Air at like the number one thing they like [TS]

01:38:53   about it is the touchpad trackpad but you know this is how the other half [TS]

01:38:58   lives I don't know I i buy a used to tackle it more when I would meet with [TS]

01:39:04   companies like synaptics who make the sensors in the end the touch panels for [TS]

01:39:10   the the PCs and actually think they do work with Apple as well and for a while [TS]

01:39:14   they were you know I had heard that Apple had some extra IP on certain types [TS]

01:39:19   of touch and stuff like that I I simply think for most of these it's just [TS]

01:39:24   getting the hardware and the software to work better together and you know i i [TS]

01:39:28   thought that's where you have to you know why I was upset a little bit that [TS]

01:39:31   Microsoft just didn't turn the surface pro 3 into a laptop you notice my [TS]

01:39:36   biggest problem with that is like you went pretty far here you've got a really [TS]

01:39:40   nice system but this is not a laptop replacement because the keyboard and [TS]

01:39:45   trackpad or so crappy and that's a sad I see that also in New York a lot if I do [TS]

01:39:51   see someone with the surface and there's one person at my local coffee shop and [TS]

01:39:55   she has a surface too and she hangs a little mouse from the side and she you [TS]

01:40:02   notice that the USB ports are on on the screen rights are you from this side of [TS]

01:40:07   the screen and it's just like this is exactly the problem right here that's [TS]

01:40:15   just the photo to explain the entire review like it's not as good of a laptop [TS]

01:40:19   because the parts that make this a laptop which is a keyboard and trackpad [TS]

01:40:23   are not as good as real out well and that brings me to the flip side of the [TS]

01:40:29   same thing other than the other thing I wanted to ask you about is the laptop [TS]

01:40:36   devices with touch screens and apples explanation for why they haven't done [TS]

01:40:42   that in this is many years old explanation in Steve Jobs I think was [TS]

01:40:47   the one who delivered it so it's gotta be you know 34 years is that you know [TS]

01:40:52   they've tried it and ergonomically it's unpleasant to just have to stick your [TS]

01:40:56   arm out it's just a weird angle and it's not it's not good and do you find that [TS]

01:41:02   that's true actually using devices like sacrum books that have touch grant more [TS]

01:41:08   you know the number one PC that I did like was the Lenovo yoga which if anyone [TS]

01:41:14   from Lenovo I'm gonna keep saying this like you should have called it the [TS]

01:41:17   Lanoka [TS]

01:41:18   I've been calling in the video by accident I'm sure nobody noticed because [TS]

01:41:25   a lot of people did watch that video I called the Villanova [TS]

01:41:30   I did hear that one of the others like all you need to go to that I'm like I [TS]

01:41:37   don't know it although it s so you don't even if they do notice this is what they [TS]

01:41:40   should have called it right it's either there or just change your name to win [TS]

01:41:45   over anyway I really like that device because it does do that flipping thing [TS]

01:41:52   but the touch screen with touch screens really nice and so I ended up using the [TS]

01:41:58   touchscreen more when I would I i did you the flip thing you know you can use [TS]

01:42:05   it as well as they call it tablet or stand mode and I you know I did take [TS]

01:42:09   advantage of that I would end up just kind of surfing the net surfing the bed [TS]

01:42:12   surfing the web in bed and just do it that way [TS]

01:42:17   having the buttons of the keyboards sticking out in the backyard is weird [TS]

01:42:21   and this is something that like none of these have figured out i mean that one [TS]

01:42:25   of the ThinkPad ones it may actually go up into the into the things they like [TS]

01:42:32   recess like [TS]

01:42:35   yeah they don't work right like the keyboard is disabled in that mode once [TS]

01:42:43   you fold it around at the cube root borden the keystrokes don't don't [TS]

01:42:46   register right and I you know I don't I haven't used these like long enough to [TS]

01:42:51   see if the wear and tear of you if I would do that at a coffee shop or Fri [TS]

01:42:54   would be doing that on an airplane table or tray table that would be [TS]

01:42:59   uncomfortable but when I was using mostly just like surf the web in bed I [TS]

01:43:05   like the experience and like I said I would find myself reaching out to use [TS]

01:43:09   the screen more when let's say the trackpad wasn't working in Internet [TS]

01:43:12   Explorer or when I'm trying to scroll down along document and that's just an [TS]

01:43:16   easier way to get through things the thing that I've heard from again the [TS]

01:43:21   email I get from from readers [TS]

01:43:26   there's been a lot more speculation growing speculation as ARM processors [TS]

01:43:30   get faster and faster and they have such energy advantages over Intel processors [TS]

01:43:35   in a speculation would Apple ever make a Mac with ARM processors and every time [TS]

01:43:41   I'd link to something like that or speculate about myself I I usually get a [TS]

01:43:45   couple of emails from people saying well what if what if it's not what if they do [TS]

01:43:49   switch and start making laptops with ARM processors but they don't run Mac OS [TS]

01:43:54   they run iOS that that's what a lot of people want is like not not like the [TS]

01:43:59   surface where it's a cover that you detach the keyboard but an actual like [TS]

01:44:04   MacBook Air form factor but it's running iOS and didn't but you know and and i [TS]

01:44:11   was just listening to a accidental tech podcast the most recent episode John [TS]

01:44:18   Siracusa point out on the show first question is whether what's the input is [TS]

01:44:22   there it is there and you add a mouse there is no mouse in iOS and you know [TS]

01:44:27   you have to reach out and you do have to reach out and touch the screen all the [TS]

01:44:32   time like how pleasant is that in real life to use the touchscreen a while it's [TS]

01:44:37   true laptop from factor well I mean part of part like part of what I'm saying [TS]

01:44:43   with Windows 8 is that the touch screen is still very much a crutch right like [TS]

01:44:46   it's a crutch for for the trackpad issues and also a crutch for the fact [TS]

01:44:51   that Windows 8 was not designed to be be tried to layer on top a touch interface [TS]

01:44:55   so one of the easiest ways to swipe through apps is just you know swipe in [TS]

01:45:00   from the side and those are other situations where I find when I'm using [TS]

01:45:04   Windows 8 I just reach out and use this can touch the screen so it's definitely [TS]

01:45:08   for me you know now that I'm really thinking about it those are the two main [TS]

01:45:12   times when I would use the touch screen to scroll through things are described [TS]

01:45:15   in other apps from the sides I think you know I guess I guess the question when I [TS]

01:45:27   think about iOS you know I can't really imagine using it with a with a with a [TS]

01:45:33   mouse now i cant either it's really unpleasant if you like as a developer if [TS]

01:45:39   you do you can you can do it you can run iOS apps as a developer on your Mac when [TS]

01:45:44   you're testing it and it's horrible it's really really bad [TS]

01:45:47   clicking around things up with the mouse and I'm sure they could somehow make a [TS]

01:45:51   little better and shortcuts that you can you know two finger scroll or something [TS]

01:45:56   right [TS]

01:45:56   I don't know but only place you would want to do it and I don't work on my [TS]

01:46:00   iPad that much anymore but when I used to write things on my iPad you know I [TS]

01:46:04   guess I would want it for maneuvering through tighter menus in in office or [TS]

01:46:10   whatever and mouse cursor is way easier for the app and forgetting the insertion [TS]

01:46:17   point right in the middle of the word between the two letters were you want to [TS]

01:46:20   fix a typo or something like that right but I don't know it just seems to me [TS]

01:46:25   like two different universes but the other thing I hear from readers alot is [TS]

01:46:28   it does say stuff like hey you know it's funny I I never thought that I'd like a [TS]

01:46:32   touchscreen Mac either but I was on vacation [TS]

01:46:35   you know for a week and I didn't take my Mac [TS]

01:46:38   came back to work and I without thinking found myself reaching out touching my [TS]

01:46:43   screen and expecting stuff to move at cycad you know yeah I mean that's a real [TS]

01:46:48   thing I do I i understand that but it seems to me like two different world it [TS]

01:46:53   does seem like two different worlds but there are certain places I think were [TS]

01:46:56   describing it where there are certain apps that we feel really comfortable [TS]

01:46:59   reaching out and touching the screen then there are the certain apps where we [TS]

01:47:04   feel way more comfortable using a keyboard and touchpad or or cursor and [TS]

01:47:12   that's you know Microsoft likes to give you that option but of course Microsoft [TS]

01:47:17   designed the operating system around touch yeah and I think I think that's [TS]

01:47:25   what Apple says you know apple says operating system which is not designed [TS]

01:47:32   for your touch and this other one is and this other one is that sad I'm still you [TS]

01:47:39   know i mean that's one of the problems I sometimes have with some of the keyboard [TS]

01:47:43   docks for the iPad is like you start to want to do more and I wrote that piece a [TS]

01:47:48   couple months ago now we talked about it which was like tablets for work that [TS]

01:47:51   when you attach a keyboard to a tablet you start to want to do more and [TS]

01:47:57   sometimes that wasn't designed for that right like if I attached a keyboard to [TS]

01:48:02   my iPad I start to want to be able to multitask better I start to want to be [TS]

01:48:07   able to type in new keyboard shortcuts and easily swipe up on that some sort of [TS]

01:48:12   track pad to get to something versus the opposite which is when you're when you [TS]

01:48:21   don't have to keep where do you start to feel more limited but you're not trying [TS]

01:48:25   to do more about brings this on anything else you want to talk about this week [TS]

01:48:29   house on my mind about an ice bucket challenge to do I saw that i've been [TS]

01:48:38   i've been sure you know I have to say I was sort of like I'm the last person to [TS]

01:48:44   be picked for the gym [TS]

01:48:45   class team that hadn't been tagged and ice bucket challenge but I also had like [TS]

01:48:51   two weeks to sit back and watch what I thought was very stupid videos I'm not [TS]

01:48:57   really sure what I'm going to do it this time I saw something about that this is [TS]

01:49:02   this can imagine there's anybody who hasn't seen this yet but the trail as [TS]

01:49:07   the AK Lou Gehrig disease and I've seen some people and not people who are [TS]

01:49:12   trying to be cynical but people who are like you know is the point to raise [TS]

01:49:17   money are those the point to make these videos but I saw somebody say that [TS]

01:49:22   they've they've raised like this you they did it like an annual campaign to [TS]

01:49:26   raise money for a less and that this year's campaign is something I already [TS]

01:49:30   like 10 times more money than they raised 2013 so it is you know it is in [TS]

01:49:36   fact proving to be incredibly successful from their perspective as a fundraising [TS]

01:49:41   thing the one thing that really confuse me know early on in the week ended last [TS]

01:49:45   week which was like ok the celebrities were getting in on the game and you know [TS]

01:49:50   from the start it was far from what I understood from Facebook videos to watch [TS]

01:49:54   my friends was like either or write either you dump this on your head or you [TS]

01:49:59   give them money [TS]

01:50:00   yeah yeah I think that's what's what's making some people like a shouldn't Tim [TS]

01:50:05   Cook instead of dumping ice on his head should give them money but he said that [TS]

01:50:09   he gave the money [TS]

01:50:10   yeah I think what most people think everybody who cares enough to actually [TS]

01:50:13   make a video and dump the ice water and her head is also right and then I had to [TS]

01:50:17   hit last Friday or something like why is no one dumping money on their head and [TS]

01:50:23   then finally of all ppl what's-his-name Johnson money on it said you know if I [TS]

01:50:39   could [TS]

01:50:40   that much money hundred singles I'm sure somebody does go to the bank that well [TS]

01:50:51   now I'm sharing too much i think thats all I have here to discuss a bucket of [TS]

01:50:57   ice ice ice water singles yeah but now no one's done that well money what money [TS]

01:51:07   alright well thank you joining everybody can can follow him on Twitter at Joanna [TS]

01:51:14   stern and and everybody can read your weekly columns and watch your excellent [TS]

01:51:20   excellent videos at the wall street journal thank you yeah special special [TS]

01:51:26   you are our just like what's the homepage of the WSJ d dot com WSJ d dot [TS]

01:51:35   com [TS]

01:51:35   really and great videos are my favorite part I don't know I'm glad to hear that [TS]

01:51:41   yeah I know we put a lot of effort into those yeah I do think that's weird you [TS]

01:51:45   know everything about that before the show I do think it's weird and you're [TS]

01:51:51   you're at the center of it [TS]

01:51:53   of the way that the established public 819 publication media brand there's this [TS]

01:52:00   incredible convergence between writing and TV used to be totally different and [TS]

01:52:06   free prior get to the wall street journal was ABC i mean you know old [TS]

01:52:11   school TV as you can get right but the video work in on the verge certainly [TS]

01:52:17   raised the bar on the quality of that and you were there at the outset you [TS]

01:52:22   know when they started that but they they really raised the bar on the [TS]

01:52:25   quality of the video work that went along with print print but written stuff [TS]

01:52:31   that was you know detailed and as long as it ever was but there's this [TS]

01:52:35   incredible convergence going on behind on that you can put video on your site [TS]

01:52:41   how could I don't know I guess I'm making up for it with podcasts right [TS]

01:52:46   yeah I mean you know and and [TS]

01:52:48   it's not something I feel like I have figured out in every week I'm trying to [TS]

01:52:52   try new things though there's no obviously restrictions on time and you [TS]

01:52:56   know how long people will watch a video for and what kind of things are more [TS]

01:52:59   visual than what you can put into print minutes I don't think anyone's really [TS]

01:53:03   mastered it yet but it's a fun time to play around with that for sure and [TS]

01:53:08   they're letting me do some fun stuff so I'm ok with it on the production value [TS]

01:53:12   is just excellent I mean it doesn't seem like oh here's newspaper people doing [TS]

01:53:16   video it's you know top tier this this could be on any TV broadcast quality [TS]

01:53:22   video yeah my producer drew Evans who will never listen to this because he [TS]

01:53:27   maybe he will maybe we'll get him to listen to this I'm trying to get him on [TS]

01:53:30   Twitter but he's he's amazing he's really really good [TS]

01:53:35   there's no no compromise no well we're just doing the video as an extra tape [TS]

01:53:40   thing it's you know we expect this to be as excellent as the rioting which you [TS]

01:53:44   know in the wall street journal has always been known for you know just you [TS]

01:53:50   know no-holds-barred excellent writing yeah I mean he's he's amazing and I mean [TS]

01:53:54   it's it's fun to be able to have a producer and the producer with skills [TS]

01:54:00   that can actually kind of just make certain things happen which is really [TS]

01:54:03   cool yeah well keep up the good work thank you very much wsj.com and [TS]

01:54:10   hopefully I'll see in a couple weeks you mean for my big day which is the iPhone [TS]

01:54:15   laundry exactly the most important thing going on and then followed by the launch [TS]

01:54:21   of the square blackberry exactly God I hope you have one of those with you that [TS]

01:54:28   would be amazing or maybe I'll just turned out you know I don't know if I'll [TS]

01:54:32   be invited to the Apple them but if I am invited you know maybe I'll have to turn [TS]

01:54:36   it down if there's a blackberry about that day I was just like blackberry to [TS]

01:54:41   schedule it on the same day totally totally [TS]