The Talk Show

91: ‘BlackBerry Is Still Technically in Business’, With Dan Frommer


00:00:00   a very special week for you you're now under door for both Google and Microsoft [TS]

00:00:06   very cool as low as a by the time this episode airs at all of them last week [TS]

00:00:12   last week [TS]

00:00:14   cooler in the future that also thanks to Facebook for sponsoring this week dan is [TS]

00:00:20   referring to last week's during fireball our street bouncer which was Google who [TS]

00:00:24   took the spot to advertise job openings for their iOS apps which i think is [TS]

00:00:31   actually a fantastic sponsorship I think that I think that there I hope they do [TS]

00:00:36   well get some good care if they get one good candidate out of it they'll be [TS]

00:00:39   delighted yeah it's actually really smart and I'm actually surprised more [TS]

00:00:43   companies haven't been looking at do you know there are job boards like there's [TS]

00:00:48   that one that a lot of the sites use but companies like Google and Apple too and [TS]

00:00:55   and all the big tech companies spend so much money on recruiting it's not even [TS]

00:00:58   funny so and it's much more because it's really they all had all say that it's [TS]

00:01:05   the biggest the one of the biggest problems they have right now especially [TS]

00:01:08   engineers I mean they're willing to buy them for like a million dollars each in [TS]

00:01:12   these aquifers surely you blog sponsorships here and there are good [TS]

00:01:17   investment but actually it inspired me to get out my old [TS]

00:01:22   the only Android device in my house which I've actually never used until [TS]

00:01:27   today it was it's a nexus 7 that I don't even know how I got it but so long had [TS]

00:01:32   passed between receiving it and trying to use it that it had actually been [TS]

00:01:37   bricked my guy I i plug it in for a month and it still didn't charge it all [TS]

00:01:44   and then today randomly I'm throwing stuff out and just throw out the stupid [TS]

00:01:51   Nexus 7 that never worked and I plugged it in and started charging so who's to [TS]

00:01:57   say I've spent the last six hours during software updates on it and now is ready [TS]

00:02:02   to go so I get to experience the joy of Android four point four I think the [TS]

00:02:11   Nexus 7 is the current seven instead as well this one is definitely not because [TS]

00:02:17   it doesn't I don't think it runs the well as a kit kat or something this is [TS]

00:02:24   definitely a few years old so maybe there's a new Nexus 7 but this is like [TS]

00:02:29   the first generation but call good stuff we can quibble about our talk about the [TS]

00:02:38   whole show about what the names of these devices are in the problems of the way [TS]

00:02:42   that some of the some of them are named you know right up there with them like [TS]

00:02:47   with the way that they've switched to call an iPad at one point they just [TS]

00:02:51   called an iPad now just iPad air and iPad Mini the new iPad right the new [TS]

00:02:57   iPad for a while with Google Nexus they started naming them after their sizes [TS]

00:03:05   like the Nexus 5 as a five-inch [TS]

00:03:07   and the Nexus 7 has a seven-inch tablet which is kind of cool while their new [TS]

00:03:12   but then gets confusing you know if they come out with a new one it says right [TS]

00:03:19   here on my Google site says Google Nexus 7 so I presume there been more than one [TS]

00:03:24   tablet with the name Google Nexus like yeah I guess you have no idea but it's [TS]

00:03:33   funny because Samsung does that with their tablets they do the size but then [TS]

00:03:39   with the phones they do like the Galaxy S five goals in order of number of [TS]

00:03:45   releases like the iPhone so right now I wonder if we'll see the end I wonder you [TS]

00:03:53   know like for example will there will there be a new phone this year called [TS]

00:03:56   the iPhone sex are they [TS]

00:03:58   finally got it to you know yeah she's gonna ask you that too because [TS]

00:04:03   what is it patch cow's ghee report was a Friday that the earth sometime this week [TS]

00:04:10   now it's two weeks ago what this month sometime in August the report that [TS]

00:04:17   September is going to be the iPhone event but no you know doesn't say iPhone [TS]

00:04:23   6 yeah he would however he get his stuff on events as gold I don't think he's [TS]

00:04:30   ever had a bad report I don't think so but wherever that would mean we'll get [TS]

00:04:36   to that in a second where that comes from though I mean presumably i always [TS]

00:04:41   dream he's got somebody with an Apple PR who gives him that stuff but whoever it [TS]

00:04:48   is my guest to but I have no idea however it is isn't getting given the [TS]

00:04:51   name of the product I don't think they ever deliberately [TS]

00:04:54   name they put the date out there just the sort you know I want out there is [TS]

00:05:01   sort of let everybody know what's coming without actually committing to it right [TS]

00:05:06   they could back out at the last second patch calculate bad but Apple doesn't [TS]

00:05:10   really give the name I guess it seems weird now but remember like even the day [TS]

00:05:17   of the iPad launch no one really knew it was going to be calling people were [TS]

00:05:21   doubting that it would be called the iPad no yeah I remember that I think [TS]

00:05:26   that was one of the names that had been thrown out because of like a domain [TS]

00:05:30   registration or something like that I think some people came up with it [TS]

00:05:33   naturally just because of iPod and iPad seems like a natural thing for pad size [TS]

00:05:41   device and everybody immediately dismissed it as sounding like tampon or [TS]

00:05:46   something like a family what was your name it was the the Slater something [TS]

00:05:50   know who actually class no [TS]

00:05:54   was an iPad was in class now wasn't class I forgot that I suggest I now now [TS]

00:06:02   I don't think ahead and I kind of sickly eyes yeah thats I don't remember I've [TS]

00:06:09   actually makes more sense for these things because I was stood for Internet [TS]

00:06:14   rightly [TS]

00:06:15   iMac was the internet supposedly that's how is introduced with the iMac as a as [TS]

00:06:20   the first Mac go to the Internet age and I think that the iMac was the first I [TS]

00:06:25   product right it was you know but then again they say it was made for internet [TS]

00:06:31   but then the one that really cemented the deal and was a decade-long [TS]

00:06:36   foundation of the company [TS]

00:06:37   the iPod didn't get internet access until the iPod Touch [TS]

00:06:43   had nothing to do with the internet exactly but then my phone if it's [TS]

00:06:48   perfectly because that was like the first phone that actually did the [TS]

00:06:52   internet better than it did the phone yeah I think I think what happened no I [TS]

00:06:57   think it's never explained never talked about but like the undercurrent is that [TS]

00:07:02   lower case I capital product name just means Apple product that said yes it [TS]

00:07:11   doesn't really have any other connotation just means Apple product [TS]

00:07:15   right like ever and ever and caused itouch still yeah maybe that's why I'm [TS]

00:07:23   that's what I just said the iPad maybe I found an old post but I am I gonna read [TS]

00:07:27   it while talking to you that's rude I could do that I don't even know it's [TS]

00:07:32   it's called the tablet yeah that's what he said [TS]

00:07:36   December 31st 2009 yeah I don't know if I should just sit here in the post [TS]

00:07:40   well you say I want to know what Apple refers to it as the tablet but so far as [TS]

00:07:45   I can tell thats lol yeah most certainly not the name I had a dream I had [TS]

00:07:52   predicted it would be the iPod Touch H D which was you know not ultimately not [TS]

00:07:58   that's kind of what it is but that's ultimately now obviously what they [TS]

00:08:02   called it I don't know I don't know you're alright whatever doesn't matter [TS]

00:08:09   but speaking of those event dates something weird happened this past week [TS]

00:08:16   where you like made up you made a typical John Gruber offhand comment you [TS]

00:08:23   know seemingly knowing comment about some sort of risk device coming next [TS]

00:08:28   month I was cracking a joke about the Motorola MOTO 271 and the house looks on [TS]

00:08:35   the side where eighty five major dams 27278 like that and the round at the [TS]

00:08:43   bottom of the circle is cut off but it charges on its side and so when you're [TS]

00:08:49   charging it it's like the and watch terms the eight nine and ten o'clock [TS]

00:08:56   side is cut off but for some inexplicable reason even though they cut [TS]

00:09:01   off that part of the circular display they decide to show the charge as as a [TS]

00:09:07   circular meter around the perimeter which which means it's between like [TS]

00:09:12   seven when you're in between 70 and 90 percent you have no idea whether you're [TS]

00:09:18   in its seventh year now and they're shipping it they're going to ship that [TS]

00:09:23   pride so I was cracking a joke about that and I said I should actually quoted [TS]

00:09:27   as I guess it's the exact language I chose which is unfortunate I rode the [TS]

00:09:34   only way this could get funnier would be if it doesn't even ship until after [TS]

00:09:38   Apple announces their risk of wearable thing next month and then I miss this is [TS]

00:09:42   a backstory on this is true you know my description of the talk shows [TS]

00:09:46   directors commentary on fireball so here we are [TS]

00:09:51   I posted that this is that was Friday and we [TS]

00:09:58   Orlando Florida after a week or so theme park fun on my way to the airport I [TS]

00:10:06   don't know either on my way to the airport at the airport when I posted [TS]

00:10:08   that and what was your intent you were just goofing around I wanted to be like [TS]

00:10:15   if if the the watch the risk thing comes out at next month's event it would be [TS]

00:10:21   funny if [TS]

00:10:22   but motile motorola's promises that it's going to ship in this summer which gives [TS]

00:10:26   them to like September 21st and they haven't announced it yet and i think is [TS]

00:10:31   gonna look really really bad as soon as apple unveils whatever it is that [TS]

00:10:36   they're working on and I think it's almost certain at this point that Apple [TS]

00:10:39   is working on something and it's almost certainly is going to be announced this [TS]

00:10:43   year and if it is announced this year it almost certainly been either in [TS]

00:10:48   September or October I don't know right and then adding to this was that I don't [TS]

00:10:54   know if it was published shortly before your poster shortly after but hausky [TS]

00:10:59   posted [TS]

00:11:02   citing sources whatever that it's going to happen in October period [TS]

00:11:09   wearable yeah I didn't know that I thought June he updated down [TS]

00:11:15   I thought he posted at like June 6th that it was that they were shooting for [TS]

00:11:20   an October date now maybe there was an old article but I am 22 me like who's [TS]

00:11:25   your money on grouper or we're passing well my my my people seem to think I'm [TS]

00:11:32   more prescient then then then I am and I know I do know that I have a terrible [TS]

00:11:38   terrible guilty habit I should really should be guilty about it but I'm not of [TS]

00:11:43   what I do have information coyly putting it out there without a source as as [TS]

00:11:48   though it's my own speculation comment this is from June 6 the ads from job [TS]

00:11:54   hunt I got Punk'd and played I thought it was published like the same time is [TS]

00:11:59   your candy and if you read it he didn't say Apple is going to announce it in [TS]

00:12:04   October his June 16 said a police shooting for October release it you know [TS]

00:12:10   meaning you know who you know well as June I mean they saw a lot of work to do [TS]

00:12:15   whatever it is that they get that they're working on June means they still [TS]

00:12:18   have a lot of work left to do I write anything and like in the last several [TS]

00:12:23   years they've had basically the September event and the October event [TS]

00:12:27   and you know if it's not ready for september you can do in October but if [TS]

00:12:33   it is ready and if it's you know the kind of thing that is being pitched as [TS]

00:12:37   an iPhone accessory basically and why not show it off in September but well [TS]

00:12:42   anyway read this if you read the sentence that I wrote I wrote the only [TS]

00:12:45   way this could get fun it would be if it doesn't even ship until after Apple [TS]

00:12:51   announces their wrists wearable thing next month and I when I wrote that I [TS]

00:12:54   even thought I should probably put something if they announced in September [TS]

00:12:58   instead of October or something like something like that yeah but it's [TS]

00:13:05   anything like that takes the piss and vinegar out of the joke and I didn't [TS]

00:13:09   write when Apple announces their risk horrible thing next month cuz if that [TS]

00:13:14   was the clause I was thinking about writing I would have used if instead of [TS]

00:13:17   one [TS]

00:13:18   yes Apple announces the responsible thing [TS]

00:13:21   so and the whole thing is also further complicated that I was doing it from my [TS]

00:13:24   phone which makes me lazy it does it makes me lazier to rewrite a sentence [TS]

00:13:29   whereas if I was at my desk I might you know I did notice that I noticed that [TS]

00:13:34   someone could read that as me saying that they're definitely going to do in [TS]

00:13:37   September that everybody knows that making a joke about the Moto 360 it's [TS]

00:13:43   like a two and a half hour flight from Orlando back to Philly and it happened [TS]

00:13:48   to be a plane with no wifi so I had no idea no wifi there was a hashtag johnny [TS]

00:13:55   was his Gruber legendary landed and I get off and it is gone like bananas it [TS]

00:14:01   was like top of technique John Gruber confirms is gonna be released in [TS]

00:14:07   September as i no i didnt for Friday's mandate and then you know it's like 10 [TS]

00:14:14   o'clock on a Friday and I guess I should update and because I didn't say that I [TS]

00:14:21   don't let the other people look foolish for reading too much into it [TS]

00:14:25   yeah and there's too much it was like too much to update because I do think [TS]

00:14:30   certain amount not so I'm certain that they're planning to announce it either [TS]

00:14:35   in September or October I don't know that they will anything can happen at [TS]

00:14:39   the last minute but I think that they'll have two events just be mainly in this [TS]

00:14:45   is one thing I often forget is even people who like read my stuff you know [TS]

00:14:51   listen to the show important in there so many people who read down fireball and [TS]

00:14:58   followed tech period but who don't seem to pick up on the varied to me very [TS]

00:15:03   obvious patterns of Apple as a company that you know I say this a lot I repeat [TS]

00:15:08   myself in this but they're a company of annual patterns and they do break them [TS]

00:15:12   sometimes you know the iPhone used to be a thing the first few years that came [TS]

00:15:16   out in June or early July very early July and then it switched to becoming [TS]

00:15:22   like late September thing [TS]

00:15:24   announced in early September least two weeks later and once they switch that [TS]

00:15:29   that they stuck to the [TS]

00:15:30   and they've stuck to it ever since and last few years they've had September [TS]

00:15:34   event with the iPhone and an October event with the iPad and I just assume [TS]

00:15:41   that they're probably stick to that this year and therefore they've got to event [TS]

00:15:46   one of the end if they're gonna do the wearable thing they'll have to pick one [TS]

00:15:49   of those two events 22 you know included on so I you know I don't have anybody [TS]

00:15:55   who's told me that I don't know nobody told me I'm just I do think it's very in [TS]

00:16:00   some ways it makes sense as the other thing too is it's not just that they [TS]

00:16:03   have to pick one of the two events and find time for it but their event [TS]

00:16:07   typically have like a narrative that runs through them and if they're [TS]

00:16:10   announcing more than one thing they figure out some kind of way to tie it [TS]

00:16:14   together in the show as part of like one story and I kind of feel right like a [TS]

00:16:20   wearable risk thing sounds to me like something I would be easier to tie in [TS]

00:16:25   with new iPhones then with the iPad yes especially if it requires an iPhone to [TS]

00:16:31   be used right well we can talk about that later [TS]

00:16:35   that's a question but I do think though that even if you are Lisa goes best with [TS]

00:16:39   him and others if it's an accessory if it's a $200 iPhone accessory you know [TS]

00:16:46   show it off with the iPhone right and the new iPad's last year came with the [TS]

00:16:51   m7 co-processor to but it certainly makes a lot more sense that if the [TS]

00:16:56   storyline is about health and fitness tracking right health kids sort of you [TS]

00:17:02   know going out health care expanding from a little ninety second spot during [TS]

00:17:05   WWDC to here's why we're doing this you know ninety minute presentation on on [TS]

00:17:11   health and fitness tracking with a bunch of partners etc [TS]

00:17:15   it seems to me like that would fit more naturally with the iPhone and new [TS]

00:17:19   iPhones that also have or I guess maybe having m8 fitness you know activity [TS]

00:17:25   tracker then with the iPad which you know I feel like they concluded the m7 [TS]

00:17:30   on the iPad because why not very expensive component but I don't think [TS]

00:17:35   tracking your feet based on your iPad is going to give you you know your [TS]

00:17:39   footsteps is gonna give you a very accurate count [TS]

00:17:41   right yeah I mean if it and if it needs any sort of Bluetooth connection to a [TS]

00:17:46   device to sink to that you know your cloud kit right cloud whatever your [TS]

00:17:52   iCloud account is that's most likely going to be an iPhone and an iPad yeah [TS]

00:17:57   it probably could technically be an iPad but my guess is that the majority of [TS]

00:18:02   people will sync with a knife and further complicating this is Yosemite in [TS]

00:18:07   a complicated and I was clarifying it is Yosemite which last year the Mac OS 10 [TS]

00:18:14   update shipped in October not September and I think they ever for right or maybe [TS]

00:18:20   not I don't know why should I make a note last year did and I know this year [TS]

00:18:25   it seems to be tracking behind iOS and mark Gurman 9 to 5 Mac said it was an [TS]

00:18:31   octave was gonna come in October with its makes a lot of sense and it just [TS]

00:18:38   doesn't make sense to assuming you know it also even if it were ready just [TS]

00:18:43   doesn't make sense as part of the iPhone event whereas it makes more sense as the [TS]

00:18:48   iPad event because iPads and Macs are a little bit more similar overlapping and [TS]

00:18:54   so if they're going to do and that's what they've done the past few years is [TS]

00:18:57   sort of repeat the Yosemite things from WABC you know these 10 features we think [TS]

00:19:05   you really want to know about you know some of us who pay close attention and [TS]

00:19:09   remember the WWDC keynote clearly a little bit of a repeat but for people [TS]

00:19:14   who have been paying close attention which is you know part of the whole [TS]

00:19:17   message you know whole point of marketing is to repeat your message to [TS]

00:19:21   get it through that's what they do but I presume that take up a big chunk of the [TS]

00:19:26   October event especially if there's a 12 inch paper thin MacBook Air retina ready [TS]

00:19:33   to go [TS]

00:19:34   yeah but i dont their runs at a chip now is the right time [TS]

00:19:37   which I don't think so I found a post on Business Insider that says quote canvas [TS]

00:19:45   a perfect name for Apple tablet says Apple God John Gruber who may have [TS]

00:19:50   written that paper that was me there anyway a campus that was the hindsight [TS]

00:20:00   that sense stupid that's why they don't have been named but but i pad sounded [TS]

00:20:06   stupid to her and maybe called it [TS]

00:20:09   campus I don't know I guess the one thing the one thing about iPad in [TS]

00:20:14   hindsight is somehow makes it feel like [TS]

00:20:18   sibling to iPhone in a way that if they called it the one thing i phone any [TS]

00:20:24   other thing canvas that they wouldn't seem like there is aligned yeah [TS]

00:20:28   especially you know with the notion that they're gonna rename iPhone OS to iOS to [TS]

00:20:35   think was that before or after the way before well iPod Touch but yeah oh yeah [TS]

00:20:44   but they still call it I they never seemed to hesitated to to to make it [TS]

00:20:52   clear that the iPod Touch despite its name was an iPhone without ya iPhone OS [TS]

00:20:58   four named renamed iOS 4 2010 so yeah that's true I mean and and circling back [TS]

00:21:08   to what you said you know back 10 minutes ago [TS]

00:21:10   you know it's true that nobody nope not only do people not know the name of the [TS]

00:21:16   first iPad in 2010 nobody really knew there was no confirmation no leaks that [TS]

00:21:23   it ran iPhone what was then called iPhone OS like I a footnote on my piece [TS]

00:21:28   the tablet I would not be surprised to find out that the tablet uses UIKit aka [TS]

00:21:36   Coco touches its programming API like I kind of thought it would seem to make [TS]

00:21:41   sense to me but not nobody knew there weren't any kind of leak nothing leaked [TS]

00:21:45   out of them [TS]

00:21:47   my favorite was a article I think from Nick Bilton [TS]

00:21:51   where he said that [TS]

00:21:58   paraphrase would surprise you [TS]

00:22:01   it was basically like get ready for a big surprise about you will be very [TS]

00:22:06   surprised by how you interact with the new tablet I don't know just like I told [TS]

00:22:12   him that doesn't seem to find my own situation was was a woman with a with a [TS]

00:22:18   crazy bring helmet on brain measurement that that would have been a very apt [TS]

00:22:25   description for the original iPhone but not you know fact I guess it's really [TS]

00:22:31   good really say it's wrong given how many people came out of the iPad intro [TS]

00:22:34   with I can't believe you got all excited for that it's just a big iPhone exactly [TS]

00:22:40   yeah and actually did a round up before the iPad was announced of kind of artist [TS]

00:22:46   renderings of what it might look like and there's actually one that looks [TS]

00:22:54   exactly like the current iPad Mini by his ass Diaz of Gizmodo it looks exactly [TS]

00:23:02   like today's iPad Mini it did not look like the first iPad but it's kind of [TS]

00:23:09   funny so I saw some of those renderings of whatever i watch is going to be [TS]

00:23:15   called might be somewhat accurate someday in the future but I don't know I [TS]

00:23:22   do wonder about that I do I heard one thing you know it may take a break and [TS]

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00:23:41   Mac computer you sign up for back place you install their software which was [TS]

00:23:47   written by X Apple engineers totally cool very nice native max offered little [TS]

00:23:52   thing in System Preferences said it out [TS]

00:23:54   stays our way just runs in the background and then everything on your [TS]

00:23:59   Mac even external drives plugged in his backs up to back blazes [TS]

00:24:04   online hosted servers takes a while for the first backup especially depending on [TS]

00:24:11   your upstream thing there's no no getting around that might take awhile [TS]

00:24:15   might a couple days maybe a week depending on how much stuff you have to [TS]

00:24:18   get up there after that everything's incremental just stays backed up then [TS]

00:24:24   you can do whatever you can restore one file at the time you can restore all [TS]

00:24:29   your files disaster strikes or your your across the country but need your whole [TS]

00:24:34   system do not want to do you can get them to hold back up on an external [TS]

00:24:40   drive to pay for it but then they'll ship it right to you get it all right [TS]

00:24:44   back in your hands right away they have an iPhone app so you can access and [TS]

00:24:48   share any of your files from wherever you are and I have to tunnel through [TS]

00:24:53   anything to get tears on Mac Mac could be sleeping in your backpack offline you [TS]

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00:25:15   think with a credit card required trial but its course it's better without one [TS]

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00:25:22   when the trial is up there gonna start charging now you know about that you [TS]

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00:25:37   card you're gonna wanna science and the whole thing it's it's five bucks a month [TS]

00:25:43   five bucks a month for each Mac that you wanna having about it the best deal I [TS]

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00:25:59   cause people keep signing up I can't believe everybody hasn't signed up on [TS]

00:26:02   actually have a Backblaze pro tip is the first time I you know that first sync [TS]

00:26:09   obviously is going to take a long time because there's never a terabyte of data [TS]

00:26:14   that it was going so unbelievably slow I didn't know it was wrong I was like you [TS]

00:26:18   know what maybe do a hundred make a day and it turned out that my stupid iMac [TS]

00:26:23   was falling asleep after whatever 10 minutes each time and that was [TS]

00:26:28   interrupting the upload process somehow so I turned sleep off and boomers done [TS]

00:26:34   in like two days just have it set to display to sleep in monitor yeah so and [TS]

00:26:39   maybe it's cuz its old old ass I'm acted with the spinning hard drive in on stuff [TS]

00:26:47   but try that if if it's you need to speed up I have heard one whisper I mean [TS]

00:26:55   this is horribly like third-party third-hand just something floating in [TS]

00:27:03   the wind but that the whatever the wearable thing that they have coming out [TS]

00:27:07   that it has a square display I don't even though I would so I would know it [TS]

00:27:13   has a Display that's what I've heard that has which to me is interesting if [TS]

00:27:18   it's true that implies a lot of things I think if it has a Display to me that [TS]

00:27:23   means its gonna maybe it is more of a watch type thing I i've declined to call [TS]

00:27:27   it a watch [TS]

00:27:28   certainly the kind of call it the iWatch not because I know that it is not a [TS]

00:27:34   watch and I've seen people on Twitter speculate on that I call it a risk [TS]

00:27:38   wearable thing that doesn't mean that I know that it's not a watch it just means [TS]

00:27:44   that I don't know what the heck it is and I don't know that it is what I just [TS]

00:27:47   know that they're working on her wrist wearable thing I've heard that has a [TS]

00:27:52   square display I think that I think anna has do I don't know I those mockups Dec [TS]

00:28:00   where people make it like the whole band is flexible display and it's a lot of it [TS]

00:28:04   is displaying late look cool as a as a mockup but I think they're problematic [TS]

00:28:11   if you think about it [TS]

00:28:12   practical terms because which way they oriented yeah you know i mean like if [TS]

00:28:17   you know you seen those markets but if it's just a ban [TS]

00:28:20   and and the whole top half of it is color display to get a lot of text you [TS]

00:28:27   have to turn your wrist sideways otherwise you just have a real skinny [TS]

00:28:30   display that's real talk even had some stupid ideas were like the display part [TS]

00:28:36   pops out you can spin it has made any sense but yeah I don't know so I don't [TS]

00:28:44   remember the last time I talked to you about this but I did a story a few weeks [TS]

00:28:51   ago for court so I dug up every Apple wearable that they've ever shipped and [TS]

00:28:57   posted photos of it you know dating back to the old iPod remote which clipped [TS]

00:29:03   onto your shirt and actually my favorite with the Sony minidisc remote controls [TS]

00:29:09   which I didn't I don't think I posted the article but they were awesome they [TS]

00:29:13   had like little display on a mini clip right under your shirt but then also [TS]

00:29:17   Apple has done obviously we're buds and the iPod shuffle series including you [TS]

00:29:22   know three or four different designs of the iPod shuffle including one that they [TS]

00:29:27   kind of screwed up and had reversed course and and then of course the the [TS]

00:29:34   last one was the iPod Nano which people made watch bands for not the current [TS]

00:29:41   iPod Nano right previous I've got one in my hand right now [TS]

00:29:47   yeah which which is surprisingly similar obviously you know many years have [TS]

00:29:52   passed and technologies improve but those like LG and Samsung watches just [TS]

00:29:57   seemed like there that and I don't know maybe apples I know this is brilliant [TS]

00:30:03   let's let's shift course on the iPod nano and we'll come back to this watch [TS]

00:30:08   thing and make it look just like this in a few years but I don't know me you know [TS]

00:30:13   it seems to me like if that was the right course of action they would have [TS]

00:30:17   just kept with it I think it was called the Tik Tok Tik Tok [TS]

00:30:22   it was an early and Kickstarter and huge success success to watch band to fit [TS]

00:30:29   this little the little square now I have one right here I believe Apple later [TS]

00:30:35   sold them in this in their store they did something and I think other [TS]

00:30:39   companies came out I don't think anybody had the success that these guys had but [TS]

00:30:42   I've sent to people before I like what I see these Android where devices coming [TS]

00:30:47   out that if they don't look better and the tick tock which iPod Nano combined [TS]

00:30:55   with the tick tock which is a device that wasn't even designed to be a watch [TS]

00:30:58   then that problem [TS]

00:31:01   yeah I give you can if you can't make a watch that looks better than a device [TS]

00:31:06   that wasn't really designed to be a watch that could be made into one by a [TS]

00:31:09   Kickstarter for years ago for years ago or whatever works three or four years [TS]

00:31:14   ago [TS]

00:31:14   yeah and that's you know that the round screen like maybe that's progress but [TS]

00:31:20   but just everything about iOS and obviously Mac OS has been built on the [TS]

00:31:27   screens with corners and a top and bottom and that kind of stuff and I give [TS]

00:31:33   you see how hard it's been just to get people to make iPad apps I don't know [TS]

00:31:39   about getting you know having a man rethink everything again for a round for [TS]

00:31:44   round given traditional watches and clocks where your you've got this radio [TS]

00:31:51   dial of an hour and second hands that sweep around a circle that make sense [TS]

00:31:58   you're showing circular dial to make sense to put in a circle it's a reason [TS]

00:32:01   why all sorts of things that use a dial like a speedometer in the car tachometer [TS]

00:32:11   in a car [TS]

00:32:12   have crop circle right crop circles sundial have you know traditionally been [TS]

00:32:18   are often are circles but for everything else it doesn't circles are pre [TS]

00:32:23   problematic as its play like for displaying text of any kind because you [TS]

00:32:28   only get the full width right at the quick response to read it [TS]

00:32:37   spiral or something right laying out text circle is incredibly inefficient [TS]

00:32:41   yeah yeah so when you say squared you literally mean square do you mean [TS]

00:32:47   rectangular no I mean square you know like the iPod now interesting you know [TS]

00:32:55   again this i mean you can add another thing that is as insiders gonna trooper [TS]

00:33:01   says iPhone iPod Nano is it square right now I might still have a login I don't [TS]

00:33:06   know it should save it went to be honest I should take Gruber says sketchy [TS]

00:33:11   third-hand source here's whisper that Apple wearable things might have square [TS]

00:33:18   display yeah I know I don't know I wouldn't bet money on well I now I would [TS]

00:33:30   bet big that there will be there will be some wearable thing unveiled in [TS]

00:33:34   September or October I would bet an extra $5 that it would have asked where [TS]

00:33:39   I could see that I'm on that side too so the biggest implication of it having a [TS]

00:33:49   display is battery life is the battery is having a display to mean is that it [TS]

00:33:56   generated leads all sorts of questions about how the how is this thing gonna [TS]

00:34:00   have a usable battery life yeah because that is one nice thing about this Nexus [TS]

00:34:07   7 is that it's already told me that over half of the power of consumed is the [TS]

00:34:12   screen design USA tell you that I remember something like that yeah you [TS]

00:34:19   know what they have an app shaming feature but I don't think like like [TS]

00:34:23   Android has had that for a while and we'll tell you things that aren't just [TS]

00:34:28   based on here but things like cellular networking right in general and the [TS]

00:34:33   display just a power display I think that the iOS a feature only lists apps [TS]

00:34:40   by the order in which they've consumed energy yeah yeah so 58 percent of my [TS]

00:34:47   Nexus 7 energy consumption [TS]

00:34:50   has been the screen today I have a feeling that that shaming featureless I [TS]

00:34:56   think I'm proved popular I think it's also going to cause some weird problems [TS]

00:35:02   I think part of it is because people are gonna be surprised by what's using power [TS]

00:35:05   I've heard I don't use Facebook so I don't know but I've heard from a lot of [TS]

00:35:09   people that Facebook . app uses consumes and unseemly amount of energy based on [TS]

00:35:16   the default settings for background stuff that it tries oh yeah interesting [TS]

00:35:22   well that's good then so I think I think I think it might even be a big reason [TS]

00:35:27   why I of course you know in combination with the fact that use a lot of power [TS]

00:35:31   it's on a lot of iPhones and people more than any other app that's a good [TS]

00:35:37   question I thought about that with the Google sponsorship of of daring fireball [TS]

00:35:41   for iOS apps because clearly if you you know some of Google's apps or are [TS]

00:35:47   inordinately popular Google Maps I would guess the most popular other girl right [TS]

00:35:55   but I would think so you know but a bunch of their apps are very popular [TS]

00:35:59   Gmail's their Gmail app is super popular yeah they're Search app yeah which i [TS]

00:36:05   think was their first appt maybe yeah I think the one that's just called Google [TS]

00:36:09   and it's the one that gives you the Google now functionality but clearly [TS]

00:36:17   with the Google certainly Google's apps you can reach a lot more people than our [TS]

00:36:21   YouTube is probably be number one [TS]

00:36:23   maybe YouTube is number one i dont know cause for so long it was a system app [TS]

00:36:28   and then everyone had to read get it and I don't know at least on certain [TS]

00:36:31   contingent of people it's gotta be number one [TS]

00:36:33   like my facebook is the all-time number one yeah I would if I had to bet on [TS]

00:36:39   what's the most popular app of all but what happens on the highest percentage [TS]

00:36:43   of iPhones and news I would to Facebook so if that is really a huge power suck [TS]

00:36:48   then we're gonna hear about right although you know there's a difference [TS]

00:36:53   between consumption [TS]

00:36:55   and while the band with examples another one so I just did a post on Friday where [TS]

00:37:01   I revealed the where the last six point eight gigs of my cellular data have gone [TS]

00:37:09   and the biggest the biggest source was twitter twitter which you know you think [TS]

00:37:16   of is a simple hundred forty character text app used over 2 gigabytes of data [TS]

00:37:23   for me in the last few months just kind of surprising that you know of course a [TS]

00:37:28   lot of that is photos and built-in web browser and that kind of stuff but I [TS]

00:37:34   never would have guessed that Twitter was my number one bandwidth hog and [TS]

00:37:39   actually I asked courts readers to fill out a survey of their number one app [TS]

00:37:46   that uses the most cellular bandwidth imma do a write-up of those findings to [TS]

00:37:51   but a lot of them I looked at him so far a lot of them also say tweet but and [TS]

00:37:54   yeah and Twitter so well it is the case with my my iOS 8 I'm using this summer [TS]

00:38:02   on the basis on your old iPhone 5 that every time I got you go to Settings [TS]

00:38:07   General usage battery usage and it shows you wait a couple seconds [TS]

00:38:13   list straps battery usage tweet but is number one for me but I know how much I [TS]

00:38:20   use Twitter when I'm on my phone and that includes late one night Apple Inc [TS]

00:38:25   most of the time I just read it right there in tweet bots built-in browser [TS]

00:38:30   total now use it to watch videos too and you know it's not just the actual tweets [TS]

00:38:36   and reading the way that on iOS you load the web pages and videos and stuff by [TS]

00:38:41   the fault in the Twitter client contributes that so based on my you know [TS]

00:38:47   and I don't know exactly how much I used to be but my hunch is that their battery [TS]

00:38:52   you know their their number one ranking [TS]

00:38:54   the battery usage is totally fair and it's completely in line with how much I [TS]

00:38:59   used to it but but I that there's gonna be a lot of people and I even saw think [TS]

00:39:03   Paul is part of that truck parts or whatever their company name is what I [TS]

00:39:14   call it a part that would work too [TS]

00:39:17   tablets he even said back right after the features announced in WVC that is [TS]

00:39:23   dreading it because he knows you know that they're gonna they're gonna get [TS]

00:39:26   blamed for a iphone says tweet budget in the most power no actually you're just a [TS]

00:39:33   Twitter addict and that's how it works yet but it's so Facebook is using a lot [TS]

00:39:38   of power in the background no that's you know that's potentially problematic [TS]

00:39:42   another and I actually think I've turned off [TS]

00:39:45   background app refresh for Facebook and location services and a lot of the new [TS]

00:39:53   Foursquare app to is always calling your location [TS]

00:39:56   turned all that stuff off there is a couple weeks ago where it was former [TS]

00:40:03   Apple Genius posting a top 10 here's how to get more battery from your iPhone and [TS]

00:40:07   Mike number number one was turned off everything for Facebook in the [TS]

00:40:11   background totally but it doesn't think I think someone was saying how they did [TS]

00:40:16   then and there that percentage went up maybe even on the show and I don't know [TS]

00:40:21   why I dunno I just checked my beta I found that it doesn't list anything like [TS]

00:40:26   that [TS]

00:40:26   screen or ok just a list of apps but anyway I do think though that if it has [TS]

00:40:34   a screen and it sounds to me like probably does that unless Apple is [TS]

00:40:39   invented some kind of new technology which I wouldn't put it past them but [TS]

00:40:42   could mean that it's like in the best case you forgot to charge it every [TS]

00:40:48   couple days thing yeah I also met with a guy not long ago who makes chips for [TS]

00:40:55   wearable devices and some of the stuff that is going on there is interesting to [TS]

00:41:00   like chips that generate power based on [TS]

00:41:03   motion and that kinda stuff right which is an old idea from the white world [TS]

00:41:07   trade where automatic watches which have been around I think they came out in the [TS]

00:41:13   fifties but I think they were sort of a novelty but then by the sixties you know [TS]

00:41:17   a lot of high-end most high-end wristwatches road could come with an [TS]

00:41:21   automatic movement which man that once wound if you wore it just the motion of [TS]

00:41:27   going through the day would keep it called the Wellspring something like [TS]

00:41:32   that some kind of spring keep it around so as long as you keep wearing a watch [TS]

00:41:37   it'll stage right now wants but I watched it was powered by water and that [TS]

00:41:42   was stupid [TS]

00:41:43   at the new work very well he's serious water on it and then it would supposedly [TS]

00:41:52   shock itself may be in store didn't really work on getting something like to [TS]

00:42:00   meet Mr fusion drive from Back to the Future where they yeah right like China [TS]

00:42:08   power light ball with the potato or something just you know why but the [TS]

00:42:13   white world long recognized that even just daily winding your watch is a pain [TS]

00:42:19   in the ass and you know I think the effort that went into designing [TS]

00:42:25   automatic movements it's fascinating to me it's exactly like you know it's like [TS]

00:42:30   that I think the type of mind even today that go into like being like mechanical [TS]

00:42:36   watch maker or someone who repairs is a lot like being a programmer because [TS]

00:42:41   you're thinking of you know if this you know the gear moves this way it'll do [TS]

00:42:46   this and sixty times I mean it'll do this you know it's the same sort of [TS]

00:42:51   logical mind set that required for computer programming I think coming up [TS]

00:42:56   with these automatic movements that never need to be well as long as you [TS]

00:42:59   keep took enormous amount of work but I think it's because they recognize that [TS]

00:43:03   daily every day waking up and having no one to watch was keeping people from [TS]

00:43:08   where [TS]

00:43:08   watches yeah and you know how many charging stations you need buyer next [TS]

00:43:14   year bed now I mean you know that that Motorola watch things did not look like [TS]

00:43:20   the kind of thing I'd want to have to deal with every day or two right and [TS]

00:43:23   there's so many questions like a divisive to charge comes with so many [TS]

00:43:26   things number one just how many devices just to charge on a regular basis like [TS]

00:43:30   it's asking a lot even asking for one is a lot like there could come a time [TS]

00:43:35   twenty or thirty years from now where we look back on having to charge anything [TS]

00:43:40   on a regular basis as laughable right and yet at the same time now we've I [TS]

00:43:46   mean I have to charge my ipod every day but I have to charge my phone every day [TS]

00:43:51   and even then it's like that means every time I travel of gotta take a charger [TS]

00:43:54   alright so the clasp of the watch is the lightning port plug yeah you know that's [TS]

00:44:03   a great question is lightning lightning port waterproof I've heard people [TS]

00:44:09   speculate that they are you know that the one reason phone iPhone still isn't [TS]

00:44:14   waterproof is the audio port and a phone that claimed to be I don't know I think [TS]

00:44:20   that a traditional audio port can't be made waterproof people correct me if I'm [TS]

00:44:25   wrong but that I lightning in theory could be but Apple doesn't advertise it [TS]

00:44:31   as such because the iPhone is water resistant to that but the lightning port [TS]

00:44:35   could be but a lightning port on a watchword be ugly yeah I mean that's [TS]

00:44:42   just the Nike FuelBand has this weird thing where the unlock locking clasp [TS]

00:44:49   type thing is part of the charging system right so yeah I guess if the if [TS]

00:44:55   they but you still needed like a little dark for it and wasn't wasn't great so I [TS]

00:45:02   guess if you hit it somewhere else on the watch the band somewhere somewhere [TS]

00:45:06   words you know when you have it off your of exposed but when it's on you don't [TS]

00:45:10   see it could be something clever like that but even then even if it's a [TS]

00:45:14   lightning port you're still asking people who you know to have another [TS]

00:45:18   ur lightning port at the bedside and another one that you take with you when [TS]

00:45:24   you travel and then there's also the wireless charging stuff but it seems [TS]

00:45:32   like it's still several years away from so wireless charging ports or or [TS]

00:45:37   portable wireless charging his interest in Kazan you don't have an ugly port on [TS]

00:45:41   the device right but then you've got to have a doc that you take with you [TS]

00:45:45   everywhere you go wherever you want to charges and so if you have one bedside [TS]

00:45:49   and then when you travel what do you do you take your picture one with you have [TS]

00:45:53   to buy a second one for $50 and keeping its now ready i mean someday it'll be [TS]

00:46:00   built into all kinds of stuff I think star boxes rolling out a new tables that [TS]

00:46:07   heaven built into the table or something but this can take way too long before [TS]

00:46:11   it's even so I don't know if it if it was a device without it [TS]

00:46:17   screen I could see how Apple could have something you know a lot of inventive [TS]

00:46:22   stuff to keep power usage down and maybe you know like you said like motion so [TS]

00:46:27   that you can use that to charge it I have a citizen watch from a couple years [TS]

00:46:34   ago that has they called eco-drive you CEO / driv its quartz watch battery [TS]

00:46:43   operated but the battery recharges with a solar cell that on the face of the [TS]

00:46:50   watch and what you can hardly see against certain like you can see that [TS]

00:46:54   it's not really a black dial it's it's got like slightly not black in the [TS]

00:47:01   center of it because it's actually a solar cell and it worked great to watch [TS]

00:47:05   keeps perfect time and I've never needed to replace the battery way in a way past [TS]

00:47:10   the time when you'd have to replace a regular quartz watch battery but I don't [TS]

00:47:15   think there's much you know I think you know using solar to charge something [TS]

00:47:20   that only tells the time in the day of the month is a far cry from even that no [TS]

00:47:26   display fitness tracker [TS]

00:47:27   ur that's going to have Bluetooth in you know other type of things like that and [TS]

00:47:32   the many yet the Instagram app all bets are off but if it has a Display I think [TS]

00:47:38   some kind of magical charging seemingly magical charging that doesn't need you [TS]

00:47:43   to charge it in every couple of days is out of the question if it has a Display [TS]

00:47:46   it's gotta be something you charge every couple of days at least and then that [TS]

00:47:51   means to me that it has to be far more compelling in terms of what it does to [TS]

00:47:57   get people to buy into the household buying another daily or near daily [TS]

00:48:03   charging device it's gotta be way more compelling than something that they'd [TS]

00:48:07   just by this arrest and it'll just work for weeks and we need to charge it has a [TS]

00:48:13   headphone jack probably not if it needs to be water is this right I think [TS]

00:48:17   anything you put a wrist has to be water resistant yeah and you know he watches [TS]

00:48:21   the head like a built-in FM radio and i got very excited about that [TS]

00:48:27   that idea of listening to baseball game you know without needing anything else [TS]

00:48:32   but not very practical so you look like a moron with earbuds coming off your [TS]

00:48:38   wrist yeah you do actually the reason I bought the tick tock as I thought this [TS]

00:48:43   would be great I can wear my nano one may rest when I run but somehow it's it [TS]

00:48:51   way too I found it WAY worse in my arm was always getting tangled in the cord [TS]

00:48:55   comparing [TS]

00:48:55   armbands I kind of work but you know a lot of people run with the arm arm band [TS]

00:49:02   around your biceps right but they were all the way down your risk right it's [TS]

00:49:05   because it doesn't work out as well I think that if it somehow broadcast audio [TS]

00:49:10   it has to be over Bluetooth yeah [TS]

00:49:12   alright the the Bluetooth ear pods that where someone made up the fake secret [TS]

00:49:21   about those [TS]

00:49:23   a ride on the secret yeah I don't think I don't know if I ever talked about on [TS]

00:49:29   the show because it happened at WWDC which also and I was yes I tried before [TS]

00:49:33   us know it was while I was in San Francisco for WBC and it was such a busy [TS]

00:49:39   hectic week for me but yet again I think top of technique it was like an [TS]

00:49:44   anonymous post on secret that somebody who had been on the wireless headphones [TS]

00:49:48   team was just let go from Apple that the whole team have been let go and that [TS]

00:49:52   they were so bitter that they were going to spoil it and there are wireless [TS]

00:49:57   headphones coming out for new devices this fall and then I couple after [TS]

00:50:02   everybody had taken it as the synonymous post on secret it must be true or is [TS]

00:50:07   probably true or is at least worth reporting that a couple days later the [TS]

00:50:11   same guy was like hey I'm sorry I may have made the whole thing just great you [TS]

00:50:17   know it's plausible but it was implausible forget that it was [TS]

00:50:23   impossible because it doesn't it didn't make any sense [TS]

00:50:25   earbuds are oh yeah but it didn't make any sense that Apple would disband the [TS]

00:50:30   team know if they were successful at designing a mean like if they had failed [TS]

00:50:34   to design the headphones maybe that got people would get fired because hey we [TS]

00:50:37   told the design Wireless had fun doing it and do it but if they did the point [TS]

00:50:41   of that post wasn't we did and that are coming out in a pretty cool and it [TS]

00:50:44   doesn't get a promotion and you take over everything ok but it was like a [TS]

00:50:54   complete no company is Apple's the one company that's what company but same [TS]

00:51:00   company would run around but congratulations on just successfully [TS]

00:51:07   well I would be as part of Microsoft might as part of the downsizing right [TS]

00:51:12   they've announced that they've got to lay people off if they want to reduce [TS]

00:51:15   headcount [TS]

00:51:16   layoff now all those little interesting they got rid of so many people for beats [TS]

00:51:22   but I guess those we're not like the core people that day [TS]

00:51:27   acquire the company for so it certainly wasn't like they required the company [TS]

00:51:32   right I wonder if there if that's going to be something they talked about yet in [TS]

00:51:38   September / October or if it's too soon for that like a you know any sort of new [TS]

00:51:44   stuff from being one thing I'd love is an Apple TV app because none of the [TS]

00:51:51   other subscription music services have one and there be you know a reason for [TS]

00:51:56   me to think about using beats is if I could never thought of myself from the [TS]

00:52:01   TV I was thinking the other day because you know I have my whole iTunes Match [TS]

00:52:05   library available there and wanted to use that to play music when we had some [TS]

00:52:11   people over and you know there's no Spotify app on the radio app on the [TS]

00:52:17   Apple TV be awesome if they kick one out pretty quickly for beats but I might be [TS]

00:52:23   asking too much it's only the deal just close like couple weeks ago so I wonder [TS]

00:52:30   about that and I want to I wondered to how it ties into whether or not and I [TS]

00:52:35   you know again this is pure speculation but whether or not there's a major Apple [TS]

00:52:39   TV update coming soon [TS]

00:52:43   you know he isn't there like a better one with it with a slightly refreshed [TS]

00:52:48   look for something I don't know about that I don't know if it has a new look I [TS]

00:52:51   think there's a new build last week I don't know I don't touch the basis for [TS]

00:52:58   that kind of stuff I'm not sure right but I just wonder though that if Apple [TS]

00:53:03   was going to commit to making a beat a probable TV whether they would do it for [TS]

00:53:07   the current Apple TV generation put that in the right yeah third major version of [TS]

00:53:13   the iOS Apple TV yeah they've been adding a bunch of stuff a lot of it is [TS]

00:53:19   you know not very useful but I think there's a new NFL app coming or [TS]

00:53:26   something like that [TS]

00:53:27   yeah well I'm gonna have possible to do this and a ticket and nothing else that [TS]

00:53:38   DirecTV still controls there but I think there's a NFL app that does other stuff [TS]

00:53:43   but I haven't been paying that close of attention now here it is Apple TV NFL [TS]

00:53:50   Sunday Ticket coming to iOS not not Apple TV iOS and Mac for 20 rain know it [TS]

00:53:56   is decoupled from DirecTV now it's no longer exclusive to DIRECTV which i [TS]

00:54:01   think is going to be huge [TS]

00:54:02   well now that's not actually true now people got really excited because there [TS]

00:54:10   were some news release about that but if you if you read the fine print you have [TS]

00:54:13   to punch in your zip code and most of america does not qualify for the [TS]

00:54:20   streaming direct streaming Sunday Ticket like my in Chicago my mom's zip code [TS]

00:54:26   does not qualify in New York you can do abbeville has been able to do in New [TS]

00:54:30   York because it's almost impossible to get DirecTV here but Dad that was blown [TS]

00:54:37   way out of proportion [TS]

00:54:38   that's actually not not that not happening it's like University people [TS]

00:54:45   who live in dorms can do it and then also people who live in basically New [TS]

00:54:49   York City and maybe I dunno but some other cities where you just can't [TS]

00:54:54   install a dish that they assume most people can cause obviously I guess some [TS]

00:54:58   people in new york city could but right but most people like a place to stay you [TS]

00:55:05   know screw in the satellite dish with the southern reception on icon stuff I [TS]

00:55:10   don't have that [TS]

00:55:12   yeah I don't know but there's like I think in NFL app coming that some other [TS]

00:55:20   stuff [TS]

00:55:21   yeah some NFL app on oh yeah well most of the other major pro leagues have have [TS]

00:55:27   something somewhere yeah I mean that's half the reason I have a Apple TV is the [TS]

00:55:33   at bat or whatever it's called right now no breaking new ground here but it does [TS]

00:55:42   though every every time they had a nap or whatever you want to call a channel [TS]

00:55:45   to the current Apple TV its trains the limits of the simple up down left right [TS]

00:55:51   infrared remote more and more so I'd still think that it's a sign that a new [TS]

00:55:58   Apple TV is coming with some kind of new UI [TS]

00:56:02   yeah there at this point and you know and you can like the stuff I guess but [TS]

00:56:09   you know all the things that make the App Store so logical and great like you [TS]

00:56:15   know developers being able to issue updates and all that kind of stuff that [TS]

00:56:19   I still very much missing from the infrared thing is just it's just rain [TS]

00:56:26   pour more because it's like coasters in front of my Apple TV and i couldnt is [TS]

00:56:33   the remote had to move them block in the line of sight like we have the Xbox one [TS]

00:56:39   now and I don't usually use it as a TV but the main Xbox interface though is is [TS]

00:56:46   sorta like Windows seven in a row with tiles in some of the Towson bigan summer [TS]

00:56:51   small but you largely navigated up down left right select but because you have a [TS]

00:56:56   real controller then it's got a Bluetooth connection every time you hit [TS]

00:57:00   up it goes up every time you hit right it goes right and it happens instantly [TS]

00:57:05   because it's a controller it's built for you know video game-like timing and [TS]

00:57:14   every time I go back to the Apple TV and it's like up just to go up one's trying [TS]

00:57:20   to target the little sensor exactly as I got this maddening even just switching [TS]

00:57:25   the Bluetooth would be great I think that they'll probably do more but even [TS]

00:57:28   if they just came out with an Apple TV that a Bluetooth remote and stocked up [TS]

00:57:31   down left right select it would be an upgrade at think that's the kind of [TS]

00:57:36   thing that's right it all there waiting for other stuff but I wanted to though [TS]

00:57:40   if they have something more in mind for the main interface than just five by [TS]

00:57:46   whatever grid of apps because it's there's a certain limit to that you know [TS]

00:57:50   to the usefulness yeah I know but you also think they may have done that for [TS]

00:57:57   the phone by now and they haven't done anything like that I wonder if they do [TS]

00:58:01   it with the beats out I wonder it would be an interesting sign of how are they [TS]

00:58:06   gonna treat beat are they going to treat beats as part of a package like there's [TS]

00:58:10   you can hold select down on Apple TV on any of the apps outside the top row [TS]

00:58:16   move them around so I give you use Netflix all the time you can make sure [TS]

00:58:20   that it's in the upper left right below the built-in movies out but the movies [TS]

00:58:25   TV shows music computers and settings apps are locked in the top row the one [TS]

00:58:30   they're tied Apple stuff like would be be treated as one of those Apple things [TS]

00:58:35   that you can't move around or to be like more like iTunes trailers which is an [TS]

00:58:42   app that you can move all the way to the bottom if you don't use it right [TS]

00:58:45   yeah I mean my guess is prime were like iTunes trailers yeah I think so but then [TS]

00:58:50   they have to different music services gets weird but I words beats go on an [TS]

00:58:57   iOS to have become part of the music a person that always a separate App Store [TS]

00:59:02   app I think it looks to keep it separate and I think they're gonna keep the [TS]

00:59:08   retail stores I brought this up weeks ago when it was first announced but they [TS]

00:59:11   going to get rid of Bose headphones and you know no way BL no but I'm going to [TS]

00:59:17   give beat special treatment and I don't think they'll give be bad treatment if [TS]

00:59:21   they might give them slightly premium treatment you know in terms of a kind of [TS]

00:59:25   do already I mean happy seems like so many of the headphones repeats to begin [TS]

00:59:30   with I notice that I went as soon as they announced before they announced it [TS]

00:59:34   when he just was like a reported hey Apple is going to buy them for this much [TS]

00:59:38   money and we're all like wow I stopped in the Apple Store just to look at how [TS]

00:59:43   much beat stuff they had I guess I think it was safe to say that that it was the [TS]

00:59:48   most dominant had fun in the Apple Store already but but still treated like this [TS]

00:59:53   is there's a section of the store where we sell stuff from other companies yeah [TS]

00:59:57   alright let me take a break and thank our second sponsor our good friends at [TS]

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01:02:07   of the shop were talking about I guess the events next week next month [TS]

01:02:15   talk about the International [TS]

01:02:19   Samsung's troubles in ya cuz you wrote about that there was actually a little [TS]

01:02:25   about it [TS]

01:02:26   and I've been reading a lot about it and obviously I don't have the encyclopedic [TS]

01:02:32   knowledge that say Benedict Evans or or Ben Thompson have about you know the [TS]

01:02:39   asian markets for mobile devices but it's really interesting what's happening [TS]

01:02:44   right now because and this was gonna write this post or not but remember that [TS]

01:02:52   slide from the original iPhone announcement where Steve Jobs had all [TS]

01:02:56   the old smartphones up again it seems like all those companies are current [TS]

01:03:01   gone basically yeah it was like palm palm Nokia and Blackberry write [TS]

01:03:08   something like that yeah and i have a samsung up if you did it was the Samsung [TS]

01:03:13   Blackjack [TS]

01:03:14   there'd hilariously religion of the BlackBerry [TS]

01:03:21   I know he referenced the Blackjack here it's the the Motorola Q the BlackBerry [TS]

01:03:27   the Palm Treo and the Nokia e60 20 Motorola Nokia palm fibre basically all [TS]

01:03:36   toast so it's interesting because you know and that happen over the course of [TS]

01:03:43   several years and of course still technically I think now part of its [TS]

01:03:49   going to be part of Lenovo that's what I don't know if that's actually finalized [TS]

01:03:53   yet though I don't know that has I don't know but in the new Nokia as part of [TS]

01:03:57   Microsoft and HP spry still owns the rights to someday relaunch palm or [TS]

01:04:05   something like that and BlackBerry still technically in business too but you know [TS]

01:04:10   you you see Samsung flying high and besides Apple the only truly profitable [TS]

01:04:15   company and mobile and then all the sudden things are looking so great you [TS]

01:04:20   know in a story that they're getting their butts kicked in China things [TS]

01:04:26   aren't so great in India either where they supposedly you know had built such [TS]

01:04:30   a great distribution system and that kind of stuff and it's it's fascinating [TS]

01:04:33   and and they've been passed they've lost the number one spot for smartphones to [TS]

01:04:39   shower me right I guess you know of course that's the kind of thing that its [TS]

01:04:45   price closed syndicate price change back and and and it's to be fair it based on [TS]

01:04:52   largely on third-party marketshare summaries from companies like IDC which [TS]

01:04:59   I just linked to a few weeks ago about how you how made up some of their PC [TS]

01:05:04   market share numbers have been over the years but it's the best that we can go [TS]

01:05:08   by but at the very least we in there pretty you know I'm sure there in the [TS]

01:05:12   ballpark but sticking the facts we do know that financially Samsung as have [TS]

01:05:16   reported a bad quarter yeah fact so it's not out of the question that you know it [TS]

01:05:23   seems like it matches with that they've lost momentum in China and then they've [TS]

01:05:28   lost momentum in India which is very different and we have a link to Ben [TS]

01:05:33   Thompson peas and a news report dinner but about how different India's from [TS]

01:05:38   China that we called the BRIC countries I'm sure I said this before and it's so [TS]

01:05:43   weird to me but it's Brazil Russia India and China but really all that those that [TS]

01:05:48   there are you know that there's different economics from like western [TS]

01:05:51   europe and EUS but the thing that the only thing that those countries really [TS]

01:05:55   have in common is that they're huge and then there's a lot of people but like [TS]

01:05:59   India and China really can't be lumped together as one thing because [TS]

01:06:03   economically there's so very different but there may be you know billion [TS]

01:06:08   Shirley Ann [TS]

01:06:10   and you know so many electronics are made in China that that was natural for [TS]

01:06:17   local Chinese companies tell the sudden but the biggest difference and Ben [TS]

01:06:21   Thompson wrote about this was is that in China has incredible economic inequality [TS]

01:06:30   where yes there are the poor people in China are very very poor by our standard [TS]

01:06:35   but there's an awful lot of people who are some number of people in China who [TS]

01:06:39   make you know I've loved very high-income its spread tremendously and [TS]

01:06:45   even if it's only a few percent few percent of you know two billion people [TS]

01:06:49   in china is is tens if not hundreds of millions of people in India the poor are [TS]

01:06:55   even poorer and there's not as much income inequality where the people at [TS]

01:07:01   the top are making as much as the people in China and so it's a very different [TS]

01:07:05   economic situation I had a problem samsung Samsung is what I want to [TS]

01:07:10   mention that I think I'd like to hear your thoughts on it is to me it ties in [TS]

01:07:15   with a trend that I've noticed recently is that people have sort of shut up [TS]

01:07:18   about Apple needs to make a cheap iPhone which I was part of a narrative that [TS]

01:07:23   started about two to three years ago which was hey Samsung is gaining market [TS]

01:07:28   share in the USA and worldwide in smartphones and Android is you know to [TS]

01:07:36   gain even faster but Samsung's gobbling up a huge part of it that bad apples in [TS]

01:07:42   trouble and to the only way they can win back market shares with the cheap cheap [TS]

01:07:48   iPhone which is very different thing than a lower price iPhone just gently [TS]

01:07:54   edging lower and lower into lower price points year-over-year that Apple needs a [TS]

01:08:00   jump in head first with a cheap iPhone to save this off and his luck Samsung's [TS]

01:08:06   killing Samsung is just her or is growing too fast and now that Samsung's [TS]

01:08:10   called off I think it coincides with people who is JJs who had a post on [TS]

01:08:16   Business Insider maybe Apple knows what it's doing [TS]

01:08:19   strategy after all something to that yeah totally but it was funny it it's a [TS]

01:08:24   funny have mine and I know that the macro made fun of it but it's in some [TS]

01:08:27   ways it's actually a great had fun headline because it actually to me [TS]

01:08:31   capsule 8 what I think a lot of analyst funded and investors have actually are [TS]

01:08:37   actually thinking I think it's a little more nuanced in there though because [TS]

01:08:41   it's not just that Samsung the phone maker was cleaning Apple's clock it's [TS]

01:08:49   that Android the platform was you know if if market shares what you're going by [TS]

01:08:56   Android has destroyed Apple hearing it like it's you know it's not even close [TS]

01:09:01   its not Windows Mac level but it's like whatever 7030 or something like that [TS]

01:09:08   8020 I don't know and the thinking was that you know if this is the new if this [TS]

01:09:16   is the new OS platform war and you know for the for the next twenty years or [TS]

01:09:23   something like that then Apple can afford to not be the dominant player [TS]

01:09:28   there because this isn't just about phones this is about tablets and and all [TS]

01:09:34   kinds of future devices in now extending to televisions and wearables all that [TS]

01:09:39   kind of stuff so if Apple loses people's phones they've lost that that person's [TS]

01:09:46   whole life and if you know this is the new software platform for the next [TS]

01:09:50   couple of decades and that's that's potentially troublesome I think we've [TS]

01:09:55   seen that made me you know that the market share advance that Android has is [TS]

01:10:00   a lot more splintered than the Western dominated Windows Mac war like what's [TS]

01:10:08   going on with Android in china is probably pretty different than what's [TS]

01:10:13   going on with Android in in western markets you know part worry and software [TS]

01:10:17   wise and you have these these messaging company's debt that catch on in [TS]

01:10:24   different markets and become really huge improper and the cast up and [TS]

01:10:28   so maybe it's a dawning realization on more people that market share isn't [TS]

01:10:33   everything that is not it doesn't trump everything every mobile is different and [TS]

01:10:38   their market share in mobile is different than it meant in the PC [TS]

01:10:42   platform you have any event as I've said before the evenin PCs right the Mac [TS]

01:10:47   still exists and by most by most accounts i've seen in terms of [TS]

01:10:51   traditional PC not counting tablets just counting what we always thought of [TS]

01:10:55   things with Intel CPUs x86 CPUs rain laptops desktops running either Windows [TS]

01:11:00   or Mac or Linux that Apple makes about 50% of the profit in the whole PC [TS]

01:11:07   industry they are by far away [TS]

01:11:10   number one in terms of the Prophet they have in the PC industry in a what [TS]

01:11:15   everybody would consider a mature market I settled mature market right now it's a [TS]

01:11:23   it's also almost never now that you run into the to the real problem which was [TS]

01:11:28   that software existed for Windows but not for math right you can pretty much [TS]

01:11:32   get whatever you want for Mac can obviously there's some stuff that's [TS]

01:11:35   still games only game he still is still a different situation right although [TS]

01:11:41   Mobile has kind of and the game consoles have kind of PCs less important for [TS]

01:11:46   gaming yeah I'm see people complain I still think clearly Windows PCs are you [TS]

01:11:52   know far more you know have more new titles and run things better [TS]

01:11:57   Exelis though better for Windows obviously but but I don't see people [TS]

01:12:01   complaining about games on max anymore so much mainly because I think Mobile is [TS]

01:12:05   a bigger deal on consoles are bigger you know bigger deal yeah but this was the [TS]

01:12:09   big fear that you know if Android gets this this huge advantage of market share [TS]

01:12:14   that all of a sudden all the best apps are gonna be either Android first or [TS]

01:12:20   Android only and you know as my reporting about a month and a half ago [TS]

01:12:24   proved that's not the case [TS]

01:12:27   like Android despite its massive market share lead is still getting developed at [TS]

01:12:35   the same time as iOS or after [TS]

01:12:37   there are very few important apps that are Android first or Android only and [TS]

01:12:44   you know I don't know if that's going to change it might doesn't look like it [TS]

01:12:49   doesn't seem to be happening no [TS]

01:12:52   go so that you know that's what that whole market share / platform war [TS]

01:12:58   argument was about and I know you know that's what Jay was thinking cuz Jan our [TS]

01:13:03   working together we were talking about this stuff and that's you know and and [TS]

01:13:07   Henry are you know our boss was the one who was one writing that i phone was [TS]

01:13:12   dead in the water right right now on the argument that you know this platform war [TS]

01:13:19   really really really mattered in the market share was key to do that and I [TS]

01:13:24   think we're learning a mobile is a little different at least so far i mean [TS]

01:13:27   you no no no no this can happen in a few years well I think the thing that's [TS]

01:13:33   different is the post internetworld I think that the thing that really like a [TS]

01:13:38   lot of things happened between 95 1994 95 1998 which i think people confused in [TS]

01:13:49   their head as meaning hey when you lose the market sure where you go away you go [TS]

01:13:53   bye bye and that alot of ppl summed it up as in the back of their heads that [TS]

01:13:59   Windows 95 came out and was either as good or good least good enough as the [TS]

01:14:05   mac and people leaned over when people lined up around stores to get it at [TS]

01:14:12   midnight like they do for Apple products right it was that popular right i mean [TS]

01:14:17   that's that's just a good basic rule of thumb if you have normal consumers [TS]

01:14:23   lining up around the block to get into a store to buy a product you've got [TS]

01:14:27   something right now Microsoft added then and you know it was a problem probable [TS]

01:14:34   and been a big thing to do is with the big weather was 92 1095 five whatever [TS]

01:14:40   the percentage split was between Windows and Mac PCs when you had to interchange [TS]

01:14:44   stuff by floppy disk and they even even the floppy disks had different formats [TS]

01:14:49   if you put a Mac floppy disk into a Windows PC it would save you need to [TS]

01:14:54   reformat this and you lose everything on it and Max eventually gained the ability [TS]

01:14:58   to read das formatted disks but went Microsoft was never gonna bothers [TS]

01:15:03   desks and file formats weren't the same and if you had a word document was [TS]

01:15:07   created PC microsoft word on here on your Mac and everything we followed and [TS]

01:15:13   then when you send it back to people it was all screwed up with all the problem [TS]

01:15:16   and it was all did we buy some like $60 out to like just convert yeah I forget [TS]

01:15:21   the name of his great work to charm I forget the name of that and I know [TS]

01:15:25   exactly what you're talking about but all those things but then the internet [TS]

01:15:28   happened and a tour and then Apple got into financial problems and really was [TS]

01:15:33   on the cusp of bankruptcy but not really so much just because of market share and [TS]

01:15:37   problems on the Mac but just as the company was hardly run and that they'd [TS]

01:15:41   had these failed initiatives at Annex jim is a far more complex story than [TS]

01:15:45   just market share but the internet really healed over the whole hey I'm [TS]

01:15:52   using platform you're using platform being we need to communicate and [TS]

01:15:56   exchange stuff right and that really helped I think it's not just Apple but [TS]

01:15:59   anybody who want to come up with a new platform for ever after is that you [TS]

01:16:04   don't have to worry about me even just simple networking just getting a Mac and [TS]

01:16:08   Windows computer on the same network in the early nineties was like almost [TS]

01:16:12   impossible and especially they haven't both be treated as peers whereas the [TS]

01:16:16   iPad is this open standard you know involves all these open standards for [TS]

01:16:20   networking and even if you look at the native apps that are the most popular on [TS]

01:16:25   Android and iOS they're all basically just interface code you know interacting [TS]

01:16:31   with an API so even if you know Android gets some sort of market share manage [TS]

01:16:37   its not that hard [TS]

01:16:39   that people would build Windows apps and then not build a Mac App because it was [TS]

01:16:43   in a lot of money in time and all the stuff and and documents and everything [TS]

01:16:48   you just described but the difference between building and iOS Apple and [TS]

01:16:52   Android app is mostly just interface code so it really broad terms [TS]

01:16:56   conceptually the whole computing world is built on [TS]

01:16:59   the foundation is now the internet and it's not just the world wide web at [TS]

01:17:04   tcp/ip in general and HTTP it's the internet and then we all picked devices [TS]

01:17:10   that run a certain platform and connect to the internet [TS]

01:17:14   whereas pre-internet the foundation of the world was whatever operating system [TS]

01:17:19   year computer was right and so if you're on a Mac Mac OS and the ecosystem of Mac [TS]

01:17:24   apps was the foundation of the computing world and for PCs it was Windows Windows [TS]

01:17:30   apps and that meant that they were not compatible so I don't get the modern [TS]

01:17:34   world it's it's it's just very possible not just for two platforms to coexist [TS]

01:17:41   and drive like Android and iOS but you know could be could be three I think [TS]

01:17:45   it's unlikely that there'd be a clue that there'd be like 10 different you [TS]

01:17:50   know platforms for mobile devices that would drive but our seeing like third [TS]

01:17:54   place now dipped to you know what three percent of the market or four so it [TS]

01:18:00   looks like a two-horse race at this point but I don't think it's [TS]

01:18:03   inconceivable we roll the dice for the last six or seven years of the end you [TS]

01:18:07   come up with an alternate universe where you know maybe if it had come out a [TS]

01:18:11   little sooner and it had more corporate support that Palm OS [TS]

01:18:15   you know was still yeah you know 67 percent like a Mac sized market and with [TS]

01:18:20   good margins you know it's a good business [TS]

01:18:23   yeah but I think a lot of people looked at those you know that Apple's near [TS]

01:18:28   bankruptcy and and decided that platform battle if you don't win you're gonna go [TS]

01:18:34   bankrupt and don't really think about the fact that Apple came back and that [TS]

01:18:38   was a long time ago and now that the market has matured the Mac business has [TS]

01:18:42   been thriving for well over a decade consistently so buy those lines the [TS]

01:18:47   company then maybe in the greatest position of power is not necessarily the [TS]

01:18:53   company that runs the OS but the company that runs those backend services which [TS]

01:19:00   increasingly is Google and so but I'm also a little surprised by how committed [TS]

01:19:07   google has been too [TS]

01:19:09   to continuing to make stuff for iOS [TS]

01:19:14   to the point that they would even sponsor your website when when they [TS]

01:19:19   could theoretically say OK from now on our best stuff is is Android only you [TS]

01:19:25   know there's some state Google now i think is probably going to be a better [TS]

01:19:28   experience and Android unique example because it's really tied into the right [TS]

01:19:34   system you know the idea that you need to launch an app for it really defeated [TS]

01:19:37   really wants to be in that that gifted position that Syria's in ya so that if [TS]

01:19:42   if that sort of feed its stream AI type thing is the future of mobile computing [TS]

01:19:49   then that's the kind of thing where Apple market share could be a problem [TS]

01:19:55   unless Apple does a better job at that with syria although I think for example [TS]

01:20:00   I think there there were on our third-party keyboard apps for iOS now [TS]

01:20:06   but they just run as a nap and you know show their keyboard and you do your [TS]

01:20:10   typing a copy and pasting go back to another appt pasted into the app which [TS]

01:20:14   nobody's going to do like the only way you could really have a thriving market [TS]

01:20:19   of third-party keyboards for your last is if you really support him at the [TS]

01:20:22   system level like Apple's doing and I said I think that's probably not a [TS]

01:20:26   popular whereas something like Google now is it really gonna have a chance to [TS]

01:20:30   thrive and les appels somehow made Siri that sort of thing where you could [TS]

01:20:34   replace Siri with Google now or with katana ya I don't know if they would [TS]

01:20:43   ever do that just me talking made the iOS ate a serious thing I was wondering [TS]

01:20:50   what that was [TS]

01:20:51   that's funny seems like you are asking you said you heard me say replace Syria [TS]

01:20:59   with and she got upset nice yeah so I wonder if there's a point at which [TS]

01:21:05   Google you know sees the market share in their advantages alright well we're done [TS]

01:21:11   doing Google Maps for iOS now or something like that [TS]

01:21:14   it doesn't seem to be the direction they're going in [TS]

01:21:17   yeah and there's microsoft in his Google sometimes called Microsoft will [TS]

01:21:22   sometimes is that doesn't seem to be the way they think I think there may be some [TS]

01:21:27   people within Google who think that but I think that certainly the people making [TS]

01:21:30   the haps aren't would be ten I and I think they're so scared of antitrust [TS]

01:21:38   stuff that they won't because it really screw them up they have to chop [TS]

01:21:44   themselves up so you know a public seeming support for iOS probably makes [TS]

01:21:52   them look really good and the same way that it did for Microsoft in 1997 when [TS]

01:21:56   they cut the deal with apple and 25 years of of you know office support [TS]

01:22:01   stuff like that even more so because Microsoft was already in the big [TS]

01:22:05   antitrust trouble at the time right now yeah yeah that's my Google has to worry [TS]

01:22:09   about that Apple doesn't because Google has at least one monopoly which is on [TS]

01:22:14   web search yeah and chrome is starting to move in that direction too [TS]

01:22:21   and I don't think right question I don't think chrome is ever going to get to [TS]

01:22:25   monopoly size now probably now but the other thing they're doing now and and I [TS]

01:22:32   actually learned a lot about this on Friday is that the EU is like really [TS]

01:22:37   looking into it the way they're using Google Plus as part of search results [TS]

01:22:42   and I don't you know they may just get slap on the wrist but some other stuff [TS]

01:22:48   might happen that makes it really bad for them so I don't know but so we'll [TS]

01:22:55   see about that but I Google searches obviously their biggest the EU I know [TS]

01:22:59   the EU is largely skeptical I do that I had to know wouldn't be surprised at all [TS]

01:23:04   and maybe have been more surprised if something doesn't come of it but just a [TS]

01:23:08   general way that Google favors its own products and search results [TS]

01:23:11   yeah that I give you just getting worse and if you just type in I'm guessing on [TS]

01:23:17   our calendar software does it show you know suggest Google Calendar and I know [TS]

01:23:24   that like when you search for businesses they show Google+ results for their [TS]

01:23:28   business and it's not part of doesn't show Google calendars for sure so but [TS]

01:23:34   you know I don't know but I know for you type like a restaurant name it it favors [TS]

01:23:39   the Google+ page for that calendar are a few just type the word Calendar and [TS]

01:23:44   Google the first result is Google Calendar nice well how is that there's [TS]

01:23:49   no I don't know but I know that the EU and your Google yeah looks very askance [TS]

01:23:55   at that because that's what they would call unless I don't know what the [TS]

01:24:00   antitrust term for it is but it's using its exactly what Microsoft trouble with [TS]

01:24:05   Windows it is using you know that having a monopoly is not necessarily illegal [TS]

01:24:09   and often as an illegal at all but using that monopoly to gain an advantage in a [TS]

01:24:14   different market is right if they're using the Google search monopoly to [TS]

01:24:19   promote Google+ unreasonably against you know natural competitors than that could [TS]

01:24:27   be problematic and not having a monopoly gives Apple Way more freedom [TS]

01:24:32   that would otherwise like there's probably an arms length list of things [TS]

01:24:37   that Apple is doing that if I S had 90% smartphone market share would certainly [TS]

01:24:45   hope so yea certainly have the EU taking them to court and might even have the [TS]

01:24:49   you s Department of Justice which has even with you know Obama in the seventh [TS]

01:24:55   year of his administration is far more business-friendly then they you yeah the [TS]

01:25:00   App Store itself [TS]

01:25:02   yeah yeah that's probably the prime example that way they run the app store [TS]

01:25:07   and that there's no side loading of apps that would probably be the central that [TS]

01:25:12   would probably be the the big one that would probably be like the centerpiece [TS]

01:25:16   of a legal thing and I don't think they'd be able to win it [TS]

01:25:20   yeah which things have I'm ever in the App Store first launched that was kinda [TS]

01:25:25   lot of a lot of controversy but people seem to have gotten used to it and you [TS]

01:25:31   know with test flight who knows you know in a couple of years there could be more [TS]

01:25:37   widespread sideloading abouts but no but it would definitely be the thing and [TS]

01:25:43   I've even seen people make the stupid argument which is that Apple doesn't [TS]

01:25:46   monopoly monopoly on the OS Drive funds but that's not a monopoly yeah this is [TS]

01:25:54   anyone running Android can you crack and iPhone and run Android on there I don't [TS]

01:25:57   think so I've seen people try maybe there is a once or twice a long time ago [TS]

01:26:01   or somebody got something vaguely working but it's not a thing you cannot [TS]

01:26:06   go back to Samsung I think that the other thing that we're really seeing is [TS]

01:26:14   that Samsung has they've done a great job and they obviously had a good good [TS]

01:26:20   couple of years but that there is increasingly becoming obvious that [TS]

01:26:24   they're getting pinched on both sides that Apple still dominates are certainly [TS]

01:26:31   has a long-term sustained advantage of the high end of the smartphone market [TS]

01:26:35   like the multi hundred priced handsets that Apple still sells a majority of [TS]

01:26:40   those which is historically where the profits are [TS]

01:26:44   yeah where the profits are and at the low end at the lower priced and where [TS]

01:26:48   Apple doesn't compete in all their increasingly losing two companies I [TS]

01:26:53   shall me and other ones that a lot of us even here in Aus haven't even heard of [TS]

01:26:58   it don't even have access to but certainly that's that's been a problem [TS]

01:27:02   for them in China and that is you know that's where their market share is [TS]

01:27:07   eroding right now and those get you know people to look at Samsung stuff and then [TS]

01:27:12   maybe even by a higher and thing or something right and you lose the [TS]

01:27:16   advantage to do maybe did maybe it's not high margin but you know low margin [TS]

01:27:21   times a big number still equals a lot of money and you know you lose that [TS]

01:27:26   advantage and then all the scale advantages that come with right now that [TS]

01:27:31   you know the post I published the link obviously was a little tongue-in-cheek [TS]

01:27:37   you know here Samsung's future stock chart and it was the Nokia chart the day [TS]

01:27:44   the iPhone launch to the day that Microsoft but Nokia so which looks like [TS]

01:27:51   a ski downhill ski slope I don't think that's the future for Samsung I mean [TS]

01:27:58   it's a huge conglomerate may do so much more stuff than 10 I think Nokia did you [TS]

01:28:04   know ranging from TVs to the chips that go into other phones and that kind of [TS]

01:28:09   stuff so and they see them collapsing but it's doesn't look great either right [TS]

01:28:17   they've proven to be more nimble than Nokia but I don't know of their nimble [TS]

01:28:21   enough and it's right they don't really have good footing in this market [TS]

01:28:27   you know where I think Apple does and I think company like Jeremy does and maybe [TS]

01:28:34   even I know Ben Thompson is is is a big [TS]

01:28:39   is bullish on Lenovo want they's gonna finish the Motorola acquisition and [TS]

01:28:44   Lenovo my do real really well in China and other places just you know nipping [TS]

01:28:51   in 25 percent here six percent there seven percent to another company and all [TS]

01:28:55   of a sudden the low end is is bifurcated and maybe as a lot more like the PC [TS]

01:28:59   market where they are now all of a sudden Apple has you know five-inch [TS]

01:29:04   iPhone and and maybe you don't need to buy that galaxy note so right the last [TS]

01:29:09   few years you know to compare the smartphone market in the PC market the [TS]

01:29:12   last few years have been sort of like you know if 1 PC maker just had an [TS]

01:29:19   enormous market share of Windows you know sixty seventy percent of Windows [TS]

01:29:24   sales were all Dell's that would be really good for Dell but that's not how [TS]

01:29:28   the PC market is the PC market you know I think the number one spot has moved [TS]

01:29:33   around a lot but it's never been more than like 20 percent for HP or Dell any [TS]

01:29:40   one company and its you know it you quickly get into that long tail where [TS]

01:29:44   there's all sorts of you know no name companies making really cheap machines [TS]

01:29:48   and it's all split up and it's as you can see there's no you know there's no [TS]

01:29:54   money to be made in a market like that like nobody else other than Apple is [TS]

01:29:58   making big money in PCs [TS]

01:29:58   making big money in PCs [TS]

01:30:00   i-ten be the nope no other company than Apple's making big money and and mobile [TS]

01:30:04   handset right and there's nothing locking Samsung customers into Samsung [TS]

01:30:10   the way that there would be tried to you know I try to make their own music and I [TS]

01:30:17   think they ever did their own app store but they yeah they do have happened and [TS]

01:30:25   none of that really caught on I think in large part because they're not very good [TS]

01:30:29   at software yeah and also google has pressured all the Android companies to [TS]

01:30:36   you know kind of promote Google Play and not at risk of losing all the Google [TS]

01:30:42   Google support so I think Google has made it such that simpson really doesn't [TS]

01:30:48   have that much to lock people in 2008 I think then I think they're obviously [TS]

01:30:53   aware of it because there's no other reason that tyson their own software [TS]

01:30:57   platform even exists but I like you said they're just not good at it and if [TS]

01:31:01   they're not even good at making apps for Android I mean how good are they going [TS]

01:31:05   to be at making an entire platform and it's such an uphill battle when you look [TS]

01:31:10   at me Microsoft we know is good at making platforms and good at making [TS]

01:31:14   developer tools and develop creating developer API's can't get much traction [TS]

01:31:20   in the market and can't get first class support from third-party developers the [TS]

01:31:26   way that Android and iOS have well then how is Samsung gonna do it with an [TS]

01:31:30   all-new platform right cuz it's not just good enough even if they made a version [TS]

01:31:34   of tyson that was objectively speaking good enough you know I got as good as [TS]

01:31:39   Android it that alone doesn't mean that they would get an app store full of [TS]

01:31:44   third-party apps right totally and then even if they don't then it's dead in the [TS]

01:31:51   water it you know two morrow henry's phrase it really would I mean look at my [TS]

01:31:55   new Microsoft has been trying to even pay companies to make Windows Phone apps [TS]

01:32:00   and that's been such an uphill battle right as it is to close the loop on this [TS]

01:32:06   is it really makes it just seemed even how much more impressive and unlikely it [TS]

01:32:14   was for Apple to succeed such so strongly because they weren't making [TS]

01:32:20   mobile phones before and they weren't making touch based operating systems an [TS]

01:32:26   app stores and all that kind of stuff [TS]

01:32:27   sky nuts how well they've done yeah and and the profit margin on all that sort [TS]

01:32:33   of stuff and not just pieces of it all of it like it's the iPhone really is a [TS]

01:32:39   lot more you know for all the praises gotten it really is more even more [TS]

01:32:42   impressive than it seems [TS]

01:32:45   yeah I totally agree and I think that it's the way that they made it look easy [TS]

01:32:50   makes it easy to overlook that yeah yeah I'm just looking Instagram just one [TS]

01:32:55   example that Instagram for Windows Phone debuted eight months ago so early 2014 [TS]

01:33:01   but instagram for Android came in March 2012 so two years after Andrew they came [TS]

01:33:07   out with a Windows from version and Instagram was rather famous for being I [TS]

01:33:11   was only for what seemed like a long time seemed like the Android version [TS]

01:33:15   took a look them a long time to get to write and I remember reading that it was [TS]

01:33:20   Nokia that actually got them to to do a Windows version not even Microsoft it [TS]

01:33:27   was that they were impressed by the cameras on Nokia hardware so they went [TS]

01:33:32   when build of Windows Phone so just repeat that over and over again with [TS]

01:33:35   everybody and then you know filter that down to the smaller developers you know [TS]

01:33:40   the true indy shop swear it's just a handful of developers and designers and [TS]

01:33:44   you're just not going to get you just get the support cuz they're all writing [TS]

01:33:49   iOS and Android apps yeah I should look at the BlackBerry App Store and see [TS]

01:33:55   what's going on there right now I bet a lot of people have abandoned the [TS]

01:34:00   companies that had made apps even at the beginning of it might not be doing that [TS]

01:34:05   anymore like I wonder there's an updated MLB app this year I don't even know [TS]

01:34:11   maybe but I wonder I don't even know about them and us to be have a bit of a [TS]

01:34:18   few I know its cast to the F you at the beginning [TS]

01:34:22   follow-up I should mention asst I guess we should still at bat for blackberry [TS]

01:34:27   look at that happened 2014 yep I shall I say there's some good stories behind [TS]

01:34:33   that I wonder if it runs on does it run on both platforms is it just for the old [TS]

01:34:37   Blackberry or does it run on the blackberry 10 visits to different pipe [TS]

01:34:42   blackberry 10 so they go but you must purchase the device specific version of [TS]

01:34:48   Acrobat 14 from the BlackBerry World access it on blackberry 10 I don't know [TS]

01:34:54   what that means but I think all I think you have to tell them exactly which [TS]

01:34:58   blackberry model because there's two entirely different platforms time I ask [TS]

01:35:03   you is what had multinational last episode I was saying how can move people [TS]

01:35:10   in today's world would buy polarized sunglasses because you make sure iPhone [TS]

01:35:14   look crazy and you know I have you ever seen at a price you have to take them [TS]

01:35:21   off their screens are crazy like that I had an iPhone have different effects so [TS]

01:35:28   I you I heard I got an earful from the fans of polarized sunglasses and and a [TS]

01:35:35   summarized I want to stay up but apparently if you buy the quote goods [TS]

01:35:38   polarized sunglasses it shouldn't be a problem that it says that's only a [TS]

01:35:43   function of bad polarized sunglasses if you get expensive ones that are good [TS]

01:35:48   your iPhone look good on me when you hold the iPhone in its natural portrait [TS]

01:35:54   orientation when you hold it sideways then you get the problem but so [TS]

01:35:58   apparently it is possible to use an iPhone with polarized sunglasses so my [TS]

01:36:04   apologies fans of polarized sunglasses polarized sunglasses industry and I wear [TS]

01:36:11   mine are actually remember that was the first time we met you you put my [TS]

01:36:15   sunglasses on your shocked at how dirty they were quicker so I don't want [TS]

01:36:21   because I was thinking I was thinking about their arabians I was thinking [TS]

01:36:25   there and I asked you was on the roof deck at the Macworld no know that the [TS]

01:36:32   deck the Macworld deck now it was New York not enough party I thought it was [TS]

01:36:42   the the textbook reading now I think that didn't go oh I was a different time [TS]

01:36:50   I know you're talking about [TS]

01:36:52   could also a small book yes it did the deck but not the baseball book it was [TS]

01:36:57   the field tested book field-tested books were people have read is the first time [TS]

01:37:03   I met you that's not I didn't have those sunglasses back then and there is the [TS]

01:37:08   first time you tested both used to run read as people to write you write a [TS]

01:37:13   review of the book where you read it and so do the brilliant idea right and so [TS]

01:37:21   you really makes a difference if you remember that I read this one book when [TS]

01:37:25   I was at this one place than that that was field tested books and it made it [TS]

01:37:29   was fascinating and I had written line and they held a book that had held a [TS]

01:37:33   reading in New York and you were there was a lovely eventos trip was great I [TS]

01:37:38   still have books and Meyer wonder where ya day and collected them into a book [TS]

01:37:43   anyway I don't know where my sunglasses are there or somewhere else with a [TS]

01:37:49   polarized I remember them being very polarized so I actually want and they're [TS]

01:37:53   clean to give me two seconds I'm gonna find them they're right next to me to [TS]

01:38:00   read the third sponsor background music now take this opportunity what dan is [TS]

01:38:06   hunting down his polarized sunglasses to tell Mac while I'm taking this [TS]

01:38:11   opportunity to tell people about transporter I'll do another repeat by [TS]

01:38:18   jury probably heard me talk about them before if your regular listener but if [TS]

01:38:21   you are Alan [TS]

01:38:22   short version think about it as your own personal Dropbox what you do is you buy [TS]

01:38:27   devices you byron device from file transporters then buy it to gadget [TS]

01:38:32   plugin you connect it to your home network to install software on your Mac [TS]

01:38:39   and all the sudden you've got a folder in your home faltered that sinks to the [TS]

01:38:45   device and any other device and housing on the Mac in the house you can get a [TS]

01:38:51   folder and it'll do that too so it's just like Dropbox folder you put files [TS]

01:38:55   they think to the device you can access them from anywhere [TS]

01:38:59   the difference is it's your stocks your data is actually stored only on your [TS]

01:39:06   file transporter device and it drives you connect to it so they're right there [TS]

01:39:10   in your house or in your office you can buy more than one you keep wanting your [TS]

01:39:14   house when your office put one in your parents house planning your house and [TS]

01:39:19   they just a few sign him into the same account they sink the same data between [TS]

01:39:22   them but at no point does your data go to server in the cloud interesting for [TS]

01:39:31   privacy reasons especially you know given that the allegations that have [TS]

01:39:37   come out of the last two years about what government agencies around the [TS]

01:39:40   world have been doing too big cloud providers also interesting from a legal [TS]

01:39:46   perspective for certain people in certain industries were you legally [TS]

01:39:49   obligated not put devices aren't data onto devices that you don't actually [TS]

01:39:54   have physical control over really interesting and i think really appealing [TS]

01:40:01   to a lot of people whether it's for legal reasons or just privacy reasons or [TS]

01:40:05   just the desire to have control over your own staff they have two types of [TS]

01:40:11   devices they have the regular transporter this comes in 500 gigabyte [TS]

01:40:19   one terabyte two terabyte capacities that the thing you buy already has a [TS]

01:40:23   hard-driving that you just buy it plugged in [TS]

01:40:25   and there's also the transporters think that's I caught the puck model is just [TS]

01:40:31   like a little Apple TV pop maybe even smaller provides the exact same [TS]

01:40:35   functionality but instead of coming with a hard drive you just you just plug in [TS]

01:40:41   your own USB Drive anything with the USB port you any kind of third party hard [TS]

01:40:46   drive with USB port you put that in your own so if you have a bunch of hard [TS]

01:40:51   drives sitting around here are you know have a big one you want to use you can [TS]

01:40:54   just buy the transporter sink save some dough and just plug in your own hard [TS]

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01:41:21   costs 350 so you'll save 35 bucks just by using that code TTS 10 the talk show [TS]

01:41:28   10 pts 10 pts 10 if you buy the sink the little park model use this code pts 20 [TS]

01:41:37   pts 20 that doesn't save your percentage decision twenty bucks just 20 bucks [TS]

01:41:42   right off the top of the sink model pts 10 for that one TTS 20 pts 10 for the [TS]

01:41:51   transporter TTS 24 sank would be easier if they just use one code make it work [TS]

01:41:58   for both but don't worry about it we'll figure that you're smart enough to buy a [TS]

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01:42:06   those codes gets free shipping so if you're wondering if transporters rape [TS]

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01:42:21   use it for a couple of weeks [TS]

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01:42:27   enter the code just before the final check out and check them out at WWW dot [TS]

01:42:30   file transporters store.com I thanks to them right shades on I do [TS]

01:42:36   and so I have four screens and Fermi have a macbook air [TS]

01:42:42   iPhone 5 iPad Mini and I have this Nexus 7 and they all behave differently with [TS]

01:42:48   these sunglasses some of them work [TS]

01:42:52   portraits but not landscape some of them work landscape not portrait some work [TS]

01:42:56   both and some work done everything but anal so who knows I do think it's [TS]

01:43:05   interesting that the iPad Mini and the iPhone 5 have different screens [TS]

01:43:09   meaningless when you look at your iPhone 5 what do you see I see a green is if [TS]

01:43:15   you put a green jello over my glasses so it's terrible right and it doesn't [TS]

01:43:20   matter whether you hold it sideways or not if you turn sideways it works fine [TS]

01:43:24   but thats landscape it's almost two-thirds to Thursday know where the [TS]

01:43:31   colors are better [TS]

01:43:32   well that's no good nobody is the phone it two-thirds diagonal know right so [TS]

01:43:36   it's not great but the iPad Mini literally looks looks totally normal [TS]

01:43:41   with my sunglasses on so there is in both orientations well mostly portrait [TS]

01:43:48   but not landscape landscape it's a little darker but either way there's so [TS]

01:43:55   all that mythology about how they just cut the same screen out of the thing we [TS]

01:44:00   had no I think we've gotten away from that I think that's right i yes they [TS]

01:44:06   also eliminate the screen glass differently they still have another you [TS]

01:44:12   know whatever sixteenth of an inch they can make this iPad skinnier if they that [TS]

01:44:16   some of that space it was most obvious I thought and I realize that that's why I [TS]

01:44:22   propagated that and it's because they stuck to it was a simplistic thinking [TS]

01:44:27   that because they've stuck to these same pixel resolutions you know in the pre [TS]

01:44:32   runner world there were only 22 pixel resolution pixels per inch the iPhone [TS]

01:44:36   one which was [TS]

01:44:38   162 163 in the iPad 1 which is 133 and all their iOS devices were one of those [TS]

01:44:45   two pixel resolutions and then in the retina world double that was like three [TS]

01:44:50   twenty something 323 and 267 pixels per inch and every device has one of those [TS]

01:44:57   pixels per inch thing but it's it's thats inner might be some economies of [TS]

01:45:02   scale to sticking with that but obviously certain devices different ones [TS]

01:45:05   I thought the most obvious was when they came out with the the iPhone 5 coming up [TS]

01:45:11   on two years ago and the still today current hadn't updated last year the [TS]

01:45:16   iPod touch that had the 69 aspect ratio and it's you know ruled lightweight thin [TS]

01:45:23   device you know the one the medal the current iPod touch someone has the [TS]

01:45:26   camera strap thing and everything has the same new screen size same pixel [TS]

01:45:33   print resolution but the saturation colors on the iPod Touch is just nowhere [TS]

01:45:39   near the quality of the iPhone and similarly with the iPad air and the iPad [TS]

01:45:45   Mini iPad air has such noticeably more vivid color then too many yeah I think [TS]

01:45:51   so too has a mini owner I never noticed but then when I have them side by side [TS]

01:45:56   it was pretty shocking yeah I don't think the many might have better quality [TS]

01:46:00   than the iPod Touch but it's definitely not up to the iPod iPad iPad areas like [TS]

01:46:05   crazy [TS]

01:46:07   yeah I guess because there's a bigger battery or something [TS]

01:46:11   yeah but anyway the polarized sunglasses I don't mean to make terrible pun but [TS]

01:46:15   apparently there's a very polarizing topic [TS]

01:46:19   yeah it's too shady [TS]

01:46:22   I think the moral of the story is forgoing sunglass shopping bring your [TS]

01:46:27   phone yea and yea and take a look at your phone when you're buying by the [TS]

01:46:32   sunglasses right yeah there's amazon has shit is it has she gets her shirt to [TS]

01:46:41   show where Amazon in and has shed one of the five major book publishers are in a [TS]

01:46:50   continuing spot that they're taking public and there's then they authors [TS]

01:46:55   United movement between you know again it's not unanimous certainly not that [TS]

01:47:00   all authors or even all successful authors are on his shots I'd definitely [TS]

01:47:07   not the case but there's a lot of authors who are see it on the publisher [TS]

01:47:10   site and an Amazon launched a ham-fisted Reeders United site which really wasn't [TS]

01:47:17   united by readers it was entirely by and written by Amazon but more lies by there [TS]

01:47:24   they're making the case that it's in reader's interest for Amazon to come out [TS]

01:47:27   on top of this because books will be cheaper but its poison ugly fight it is [TS]

01:47:36   well I think it's obvious to those of us who are somewhat exposed to it I don't [TS]

01:47:44   know if both people or even know what's happening [TS]

01:47:46   well I don't know that I think people are noticing more and more though [TS]

01:47:49   because of things like a shitbox not coming out on Amazon or at least not [TS]

01:47:55   being available to pre-order on Amazon which true you know I don't know what 14 [TS]

01:48:00   17 years I don't have however long amazon has been selling books there's an [TS]

01:48:06   awful lot of us who just get only if you hear about a new book coming out you [TS]

01:48:10   just go to Amazon to start typing the book title and you can either buy it if [TS]

01:48:14   it's shipping or it's a send me this when it comes out and I think the [TS]

01:48:19   biggest problem is that no one knows which label their book it's gonna be on [TS]

01:48:23   its just confusing I think it's safe when a certain [TS]

01:48:27   movie studio gets pulled from iTunes or whatever you don't know that it's [TS]

01:48:34   missing for that reason even when it's one that you kind of know like I [TS]

01:48:39   probably a lot of people know that Star Wars twentieth Century Fox everybody [TS]

01:48:43   remembers that the twentieth Century Fox fanfare before the Star Wars song a [TS]

01:48:49   writer like ever in those pics are as Pixar some night yeah and that they're [TS]

01:48:53   owned by Disney yea certainly i think thats pretty had another good common but [TS]

01:48:57   nobody really thinks of that time in terms of am I going to be able to watch [TS]

01:49:02   this like you never had the old days when we go to Blockbuster to rent a [TS]

01:49:06   movie you never thought well shit I want to watch the Unforgiven but that's [TS]

01:49:10   that's Warner Brothers and blockbuster doesn't have Warner Brothers movies so I [TS]

01:49:18   guess I'll go to that area Hollywood Video yeah where the warner brothers are [TS]

01:49:22   you know yeah that part of it is is and I would say with books it's even less so [TS]

01:49:28   because it's those fanfares that make that stick in my mind I mean that's I'm [TS]

01:49:33   pretty sure the Unforgiven is is warner brothers but I certainly remember you [TS]

01:49:39   know there's a lot of movies rye remember the fanfare I saw before it [TS]

01:49:43   whereas the little tiny publishers stamp on books but I don't know many books [TS]

01:49:48   that I know which which of the big five publishers published it now [TS]

01:49:53   definitely not so I have trouble taking sides here even as a potential someday [TS]

01:50:01   book author like I don't I don't think I know enough about what's going on and [TS]

01:50:06   that's the thing is I don't think anyone has actually said what they're [TS]

01:50:09   specifically disagreeing about Leggett's vaguely has to do with pricing for [TS]

01:50:14   e-books or something that gets to pick the price of e-books [TS]

01:50:18   really is it the black the details matter and I'll think anyone's actually [TS]

01:50:22   revealed what the details are that i've seen [TS]

01:50:26   I don't know Amazon wants them to be captain 919 [TS]

01:50:29   nine and you know that shit the other book publishers want to be able to sell [TS]

01:50:34   new titles you know at whatever price they want [TS]

01:50:41   you know it is it's pretty complicated and it's you know with subscription [TS]

01:50:46   coming into play now it's gonna get screwed up again [TS]

01:50:51   yeah totally gonna get rid of him you know go back to the early days of [TS]

01:50:55   Netflix streaming when there were less than two good movies 2 that's that's [TS]

01:51:02   what the books book rental book subscription services look like now [TS]

01:51:06   imagine how that's gonna have to go through all all kinds of crap now yeah [TS]

01:51:11   there's a long article that I haven't posted it probably will by the time this [TS]

01:51:19   that by the time this podcast comes out tomorrow to priority of positive but it [TS]

01:51:24   I haven't finished reading it by Christopher Wright who is an author he [TS]

01:51:30   kind of a big long argument but its cuz I think it has to be long because it's [TS]

01:51:34   complicated sometimes you know when I read an article and a prolonged I think [TS]

01:51:39   I'm I am I just spouting off or am I is it just that complex and it takes a lot [TS]

01:51:44   of words to describe it and I think in this case is articles long because it is [TS]

01:51:47   complex which is mostly that you know how she is really not looking after [TS]

01:51:52   readers are authors they're looking after their own interests and Amazon is [TS]

01:51:56   really you know doing anything for the benefit of anybody else than Amazon and [TS]

01:52:00   that's just the way it is so whoever wins it's it's not really going to be a [TS]

01:52:05   victory for anybody but passion or Amazon and it's probably gonna be Amazon [TS]

01:52:08   anyway because has it really doesn't have Amazon to one up you know in a [TS]

01:52:13   position of strength and the big thing is that the downside you know the reason [TS]

01:52:18   it may not be good for us as readers or even haces authors you and I tram is on [TS]

01:52:24   to win is it because of lower prices are bad because Amazon has a good are you [TS]

01:52:29   know a couple of good arguments in her just common sense one is that an ebook [TS]

01:52:33   should be cheaper than a paper version because it does cheaper descend bit than [TS]

01:52:38   it is to cut down trees turning in the paper and print a book and even amazon [TS]

01:52:44   has made this argument that because you have fewer rights with a digital version [TS]

01:52:48   any book because it's locked by Drs [TS]

01:52:50   and you can't resell it can give it to somebody else I can't get you know you [TS]

01:52:54   can take it if you buy a paper book I can read it and then sell it to somebody [TS]

01:52:58   else you can't do it with any book and i dont was interesting the Amazon which is [TS]

01:53:02   you know the company putting the DRM on the books is even making the argument [TS]

01:53:06   that hey this makes them less valuable and therefore they should costless I [TS]

01:53:12   think that the common-sense argument and it makes sense [TS]

01:53:14   same way that a paperback should cost less than a hardcover edition because [TS]

01:53:17   it's not as nice and it didn't cost as much to make and they also make the [TS]

01:53:23   argument Amazon that it's you know in in terms of authors and royalty that [TS]

01:53:28   they've shown through their own analysis of data that in general like book that [TS]

01:53:35   is he bought that selling for $15 $14.99 of course but cost fifteen will sell X [TS]

01:53:42   number of copies that same book at $10 $9.99 with cell like 1.7 times as much [TS]

01:53:50   and therefore make more money and get 70% more readers so you'd have more [TS]

01:53:56   readers and you'd make more money because you'd it would be more than the [TS]

01:53:59   1.5 that you would need to break even but that the big downside to the whole [TS]

01:54:05   thing if if Amazon winds and they probably will is that they're building [TS]

01:54:10   an effective monopoly on on your books and that they will be rape reviews and [TS]

01:54:15   you know everybody will be at Amazon's liberty in terms of you know once they [TS]

01:54:22   walk down the market and I guess another missing part of the equation is what [TS]

01:54:26   percentage of revenue and profits are still coming from $30 hardcover books [TS]

01:54:34   that you know you need to still somewhat justify the price for ya [TS]

01:54:39   without $10 ebooks yeah one thing I've seen an absence of people could be that [TS]

01:54:44   the analogy to the there's a lot of people are the people on the side that [TS]

01:54:48   it did they should definitely be cheaper and maybe even a lot cheaper ebooks a [TS]

01:54:53   lot of my drawing on the analogy that paperbacks are relatively new to the [TS]

01:54:57   book industry and I guess they they came to be popular [TS]

01:55:00   in the nineteen thirties it's not quite the same analogy that its third tier [TS]

01:55:09   like that used to just be hardcover editions and then it was hardcover and [TS]

01:55:13   paperback and hardcover paperback and e-books the difference that I see though [TS]

01:55:18   is one of two frames you know like opening weekend I Windows Windows yeah [TS]

01:55:26   but that you know the way that to my knowledge that you know the major book [TS]

01:55:33   publishers have worked is that new books only command hardcover like when Stephen [TS]

01:55:37   King comes out with a new book it doesn't come out in hardcover and [TS]

01:55:39   paperback at the same time and you can choose to save you know half the price [TS]

01:55:43   by buying the paperback if you want it when its new when the new Harry Potter [TS]

01:55:47   books came out and people lined up at midnight to buy them you had to buy the [TS]

01:55:51   hardcover which is the more expensive version and that the paperback came out [TS]

01:55:55   was like home you know the same way that you can't buy most movies at the opening [TS]

01:55:59   weekend have to wait to get him and he barks don't seem to be like that people [TS]

01:56:06   want to get I give Stephen King has a new book you and you want to read about [TS]

01:56:09   your Kindle you get on the same day that the hardcover comes out yeah there was a [TS]

01:56:14   period where they were trying to not have that available but I think that [TS]

01:56:18   that that's done and I kinda see how you you know that the publishers I kind of [TS]

01:56:25   see if in the published aspect of that they should have a right to charge a [TS]

01:56:28   premium while demand is at a premium [TS]

01:56:30   you know that when the day you know and again you could say whether just [TS]

01:56:33   couching their the diehard fans but you know that's what pays to keep the books [TS]

01:56:38   coming out I think if you really want to read it in opening weekend you want to [TS]

01:56:41   read that knew you know Stephen King novel as soon as it comes out they [TS]

01:56:46   should be allowed to charge $17 for and then drop the price to 999 in the long [TS]

01:56:52   run you know three months later six months later like same thing like with [TS]

01:56:55   movies coming out on home video [TS]

01:56:58   yeah and so many markets work like that you know and that demand is not [TS]

01:57:02   necessarily gouging like it's being among the first to get something is too [TS]

01:57:09   many people worth more money because you know if you know if your [TS]

01:57:13   not that hell-bent on reading it right away or you already have a big stack of [TS]

01:57:17   books that are waiting you read it you can't wait and you know you're gonna pay [TS]

01:57:21   lower price same way that you know it kinda works like that on iTunes I don't [TS]

01:57:26   know if it's on purpose but so many new releases are only available for purchase [TS]

01:57:30   and then you can rent them for you know whatever another month or something he [TS]

01:57:35   always available for rent on you know I've found myself buying movies that I [TS]

01:57:42   don't actually want to own because out on a wait a month before therefore box [TS]

01:57:47   and then with a lot of other movies I've found myself saying i dont wanna buy [TS]

01:57:51   this I know I just added to my wishlist I'll come back to it you know when it [TS]

01:57:56   comes out for rent yeah I'm done the same thing we're like there's some [TS]

01:57:59   movies right I wanna see it right away and I'm know that maybe I'll only [TS]

01:58:03   watched it once but I'll pay the $14.99 to buy it [TS]

01:58:05   yep yeah so it kinda see that you know that thinking there I I'm guessing I [TS]

01:58:13   think like in those rentals that I know Apple has limits on that but you know in [TS]

01:58:17   some movies and some of these two of the cost more rent you know there's there's [TS]

01:58:21   new additions that i've seen [TS]

01:58:24   costs 599 and I think there's sometimes with the ones that are still in theaters [TS]

01:58:28   its $6.99 direct hit ya think one was like 10 bucks yeah so I think Apple [TS]

01:58:34   gives the you know the studios or whoever it is you know it's again [TS]

01:58:39   independent motion picture whoever controls the rights to the movie they [TS]

01:58:42   give them some pricing control on the rental and purchase price and that's the [TS]

01:58:47   big thing that sticks I think a lot of the publishers cross with Amazon is that [TS]

01:58:52   Amazon wants to just have unilateral control over the price of their stuff [TS]

01:58:58   and that's it is how Amazon Appstore works you can likes set like a suggested [TS]

01:59:04   price but if and when you have a nap and Amazon store if they decide they want to [TS]

01:59:07   sell it for $0.99 they do sell it for $0.99 and you get your thirty percent of [TS]

01:59:12   that and you know it hasn't had a big effect on the app industry because the [TS]

01:59:17   Amazon Appstore is [TS]

01:59:19   is relatively small player in mobile apps but in terms of ebooks you know the [TS]

01:59:23   Kindle Store is dominant probably you know a monopoly yeah although it's not a [TS]

01:59:30   monopoly I think I think in legal terms its monopoly right which is different [TS]

01:59:36   and confusing but I think has different it might give them a lot more leeway in [TS]

01:59:40   terms of antitrust laws you know and that whole weird thing that from [TS]

01:59:46   frustrated a lot of us with Apple ebooks case which has cost them hundreds of [TS]

01:59:50   millions of dollars in legal fees where Apple which had a sliver of the ebook [TS]

01:59:55   case is the company that got taken to court by the Department of Justice in [TS]

02:00:00   Los hundreds of millions of dollars in fees for colluding with the the book [TS]

02:00:06   publishers and Amazon the company that has the menominee the overwhelming [TS]

02:00:11   majority of e-book sales you know is under noah hasn't received any scrutiny [TS]

02:00:18   at all here's the dictionary definition great work in OP Saini a market [TS]

02:00:24   situation in which there is only one buyer right and that's that's the thing [TS]

02:00:29   is that it's not that they have a monopoly on bookshelf because there's [TS]

02:00:32   these five publishers that have all the you know it's it's that they sell the [TS]

02:00:36   books not really directly to the customer they sell them to Amazon Amazon [TS]

02:00:40   resells them to people and they're really effectively without Amazon there [TS]

02:00:45   is no I don't know that's quite true to say but it'll be interesting to see i've [TS]

02:00:50   seen very different percentages from very different people and they've [TS]

02:00:53   published like how many of their book sales come from Amazon ebook sales come [TS]

02:00:57   from Amazon vs iTunes and Kobo and who else [TS]

02:01:02   whoever else Sony notebook yeah [TS]

02:01:06   yeah I asked what I see got you know I just been enjoying the summer I've been [TS]

02:01:16   given in the weeds on a few topics I think my best post last week was about [TS]

02:01:23   how well still has a large profitable dial-up business actually at the one of [TS]

02:01:33   the more interesting posts done recently was looking at Google Apps and how [TS]

02:01:38   successful they've been stealing the startup and growing the economy mid-size [TS]

02:01:48   company ranks [TS]

02:01:51   you know should be Microsoft customers for exchange in and all their enterprise [TS]

02:01:55   stuff and you know Microsoft is effectively betting the company on the [TS]

02:01:59   cloud and yeah I saw that and that was an interesting post yet so you what you [TS]

02:02:06   did you guys looked at the MX records yes I i picked a hundred and fifty [TS]

02:02:13   companies so that the 52 fortune 50 so the biggest 50 companies by market cap [TS]

02:02:21   is now working fifties something like that yeah I think it's market market cap [TS]

02:02:26   per its market cap and then fifty companies from the last Y Combinator [TS]

02:02:34   class those who like that startups the tiniest companies and then this [TS]

02:02:38   mid-level here which were very scientifically chosen they were the [TS]

02:02:44   first 50 companies that I thought of that were mid-sized ranging from Tesla [TS]

02:02:51   22 their public and private companies including Dropbox to order tests [TS]

02:02:59   in front of me but but yeah and of the of the hugest companies you know the [TS]

02:03:05   ones that were you know stereotypical enterprise companies of those fifty only [TS]

02:03:13   one of them use Google Apps for their email and that was Google I know there I [TS]

02:03:22   i laugh but when I was reading the article and everything went with one is [TS]

02:03:26   here and I swear to God and then you say it was Google as I was like the ultimate [TS]

02:03:34   type a trick question where I pride myself on being able to think it's got [TS]

02:03:38   to be good and I did I did not get that well and you know there's caveat psych [TS]

02:03:43   maybe some weighing of one of these companies uses Google Apps right maybe [TS]

02:03:48   you know maybe everyone uses their personal Gmail the office but it's it's [TS]

02:03:52   it's a fair test oh yeah it was it was universally and I looked up the MX [TS]

02:03:57   records for a hundred and fifty companies and and so that you know the [TS]

02:04:02   startup the Y Combinator I think it was like all but four or six of them used [TS]

02:04:09   Google that's a little surprising to me too that it was that high I mean [TS]

02:04:14   something [TS]

02:04:15   92% so all but it's not that hard to you know 4600 all but four of them i think [TS]

02:04:30   one of them might have been used so outlook was showing up in these results [TS]

02:04:34   occasionally so I you know theoretically Microsoft's answer to Google absolutely [TS]

02:04:40   cloud-based outlook so that was showing up in some of them I'm a little [TS]

02:04:45   surprised it was as high as ninety-two percent because it's not that hard to [TS]

02:04:48   run your own mail server you know if you run like that you get a lot of it for [TS]

02:04:55   free from Google web host and sign up for whatever DreamHost or something [TS]

02:05:00   run your IMAP for you a lot of those web host have been kicking that off to [TS]

02:05:05   Google because it used to be free [TS]

02:05:08   and because that's a huge you know monkey off their back as hosting emails [TS]

02:05:14   pry not fun for any of those companies in terms of support I'm also surprised [TS]

02:05:19   maybe it just speaks to my mindset but I'm a little surprised a lot of those [TS]

02:05:22   companies wouldn't switch off even if they were using it when they were at the [TS]

02:05:26   three guys in a grand stage that they didn't switch off once they get you know [TS]

02:05:31   hire men that they wouldn't say hey let's run on mail servers for the [TS]

02:05:36   paranoia aspect of that and Andre of those companies have negotiated with [TS]

02:05:42   Google for like a maybe who wants to acquire US or maybe we need to work with [TS]

02:05:46   them and do you really trust Google not even security stuff do we trust Google [TS]

02:05:53   to write content so the most interesting part though was the those mid tier [TS]

02:05:58   companies and that's where 60% them used Google Apps and that includes Twitter [TS]

02:06:05   includes both Dropbox and Box both of them use Google email and those are you [TS]

02:06:14   know as I wrote in the piece like those would be potential competitors even you [TS]

02:06:19   know like Dropbox Rd probably has a mbox you know has pretty good [TS]

02:06:27   enterprise sales for their storage services so maybe they should offer [TS]

02:06:30   email hosting two who knows but that was really surprising so it's not that you [TS]

02:06:36   know Microsoft still has a huge hold over the biggest enterprise customers [TS]

02:06:42   but the growing companies in Microsoft's future customers seem to be really [TS]

02:06:50   sticking with Google so we'll see you know Microsoft still has a ninety [TS]

02:06:56   percent of the revenue and that in the email hosting market think that's what [TS]

02:07:00   they told me something around that range or maybe 95% [TS]

02:07:07   what's a call IBM Lotus also still has some surveys like 80% Microsoft but is [TS]

02:07:11   still very strong dominating position but revenues that important to Google [TS]

02:07:18   they're not in the email apps business for the money they're doing it for the [TS]

02:07:23   control you know the money [TS]

02:07:26   Google gets all the money they need from search advertising which is but I do [TS]

02:07:31   think though I because it everybody knows that the day I don't admit emanate [TS]

02:07:38   say that they they scan your email to show contextual ads right related [TS]

02:07:44   generates money and from like being in your email to get your to build their [TS]

02:07:51   profile of you is got to be a huge source of accuracy for the the targeted [TS]

02:07:58   ads that they show true and affect your login for your email means you're logged [TS]

02:08:03   in right by doing searches but even beyond that like my understanding is [TS]

02:08:08   that they actually are running Google Apps as a business now like they're not [TS]

02:08:12   trying to lose a lot of money on it which is one the reasons they got rid of [TS]

02:08:16   the free here and that kind of stuff so you know it's it's still I think less [TS]

02:08:22   than 10% of I think ninety percent of rules revenues still advertising but [TS]

02:08:26   still I think I think now other is 10% or something like that so growing but as [TS]

02:08:34   interesting as was I would you know I was in the command line like searching [TS]

02:08:39   MX records and I would see this big ass companies still using Gmail it's pretty [TS]

02:08:44   pretty crazy yeah and I think that there's a hard to make them and [TS]

02:08:50   understand something his job depends on them not understanding sort of angle to [TS]

02:08:54   you know once a company [TS]

02:08:58   everybody had to have email but some internet based email at some point in [TS]

02:09:02   the nineties became just as essential as having telephone lines in your company [TS]

02:09:08   and for a lot of them they might have already had internal email based on [TS]

02:09:13   whatever antiquated Microsoft are loading scrap that they had and had [TS]

02:09:17   installed gateways to the internet and it was all convoluted crazy but it all [TS]

02:09:21   required a big large I T staff and then doing anything like when you're a [TS]

02:09:27   start-up not having anybody who has to worry about the email server is great [TS]

02:09:31   because you you know you can concentrate on the thing that is you're trying to [TS]

02:09:35   build and you can save on your head count and it really matters even if it's [TS]

02:09:39   just one person because you're leaning meaning whereas if you're already had [TS]

02:09:42   the IIT staff with a full time I T job that you know proctor and gamble or [TS]

02:09:46   something like that you're not going to make decisions on what products and [TS]

02:09:50   services to buy based on when a week we can get rid of the best we can give [TS]

02:09:54   right right we can make this choice that would obviate the need for jobs [TS]

02:09:59   totally yeah and it's so many of those enterprise deals are you know you can [TS]

02:10:04   exchange server be also get office license for everyone in the company and [TS]

02:10:09   windows and all that stuff so it's a huge deal that's beyond the scope of [TS]

02:10:12   just emailing and an outlook but you know the companies that are starting his [TS]

02:10:18   three-person startup now and are growing into some of the company I just pulled [TS]

02:10:23   up to the spreadsheet some of the companies that are still Google [TS]

02:10:27   customers you know were less than 10 people a few years ago and those are [TS]

02:10:31   like Airbnb Warby Parker tumblr you know all these companies are still using [TS]

02:10:40   Google Apps despite the fact that they are worth billions of dollars in his [TS]

02:10:45   Tumblr yeah it's crazy to think about [TS]

02:10:48   given that they're owned by Yahoo yeah and well they've also maintained a [TS]

02:10:53   pretty [TS]

02:10:54   their own office yet tumblr [TS]

02:10:59   a bunch of boring like Etsy does you know in one of the one of those things [TS]

02:11:06   to where it's there's no real naughty can't migrate billet spinning yes [TS]

02:11:12   because you've gotta somehow down load all of your email from Google and put it [TS]

02:11:18   somewhere in and uploaded a flight for example number 12 to switch to Yahoo and [TS]

02:11:25   truth is without looked up what Yahoo itself uses but I would bet it's not [TS]

02:11:30   gmail but on the other hand to is the simple fact that gmail is objectively [TS]

02:11:38   better than Yahoo Mail and you know it's it's a good sign I guess it's shouldn't [TS]

02:11:43   be that surprising it's a good sign that number is not stay on Gmail you know [TS]

02:11:47   wasn't by air by edict forced to do it because it would have been a shit [TS]

02:11:50   sandwich to everybody [TS]

02:11:53   yeah we're going to Yahoo nothing's going to change also yahoo mail is like [TS]

02:11:58   you know i i quit one beats music is a good question that's a really good now [TS]

02:12:09   you know I don't look at it now but that's being good follow-up because I [TS]

02:12:13   wonder if they're on Gmail I wonder if that would be Apple's they still on [TS]

02:12:17   exchange it out what are now no I don't think they use Exchange I think they're [TS]

02:12:21   just simply no straight Street UNIX I am I think could be good look at the [TS]

02:12:29   headers from email yeah that's an email from Apple apparently there i watch is [TS]

02:12:38   coming on the show headers OIC Oracle Communications messaging server ya no [TS]

02:12:48   that's not exchange no yeah that's what I see to our communication messaging [TS]

02:12:53   server alright so there you go there you go [TS]

02:12:57   or yeah it's Larry Ellison and can you imagine how that deal got done [TS]

02:13:05   there was a yacht involved two people you're moving your email to Oracle [TS]

02:13:14   anything else we also got [TS]

02:13:18   are decent again why are they have missed that if that's true now they're [TS]

02:13:24   they're all there in last place but they just called up the number one prospect [TS]

02:13:28   and so he hit a game-winning home run his first day first major league hit was [TS]

02:13:34   a game-winning home run what is it what position does he play I think he's [TS]

02:13:38   playing second I think he's a shortstop [TS]

02:13:40   yeah I've heard about him so I've been watching the game since finally exciting [TS]

02:13:45   they're they're not going to be good [TS]

02:13:47   probably for a year to guessing 2016 you gotta have a shot you have faith in you [TS]

02:13:54   think there are no I mean I've I've now gotten to the point where I'm just you [TS]

02:14:00   know we'll see where show me their actual World Series like NLC like when [TS]

02:14:05   they were in the NLCS I was still very skeptical you know when you grow up with [TS]

02:14:09   this year like it's kind of spread over and how I see all kinds of stuff but [TS]

02:14:14   we'll see we'll see when it actually happens but it's exciting to watch as [TS]

02:14:19   they used to love watching games and they've just been so bad for so long [TS]

02:14:22   that I haven't even bothered you can even sign up for MLB TV this year until [TS]

02:14:27   last week so you get a discount on that now cuz I do the monthly which i think [TS]

02:14:34   is always going to be the price but if you sign up for the year at all but you [TS]

02:14:40   said yeah it's great well as a fantastic deal for me I'm said that if you if your [TS]

02:14:46   favorite team is out of town it's amazing to your favorites and it's it's [TS]

02:14:50   questionable they should they should have a different tier they should have [TS]

02:14:54   like a tier for people who are fans of the end in game in town team you pay [TS]

02:14:59   less but you can only watch so many games a year as I can and when you go on [TS]

02:15:02   vacation you well what they did was the Yankees did a deal with I think one of [TS]

02:15:09   the cable providers so you could sign up for MLB TV but you ought to [TS]

02:15:15   pay through some maybe through the case I don't know is crazy [TS]

02:15:18   was like it was more expensive I think this is one of those things we like [TS]

02:15:23   these guys are not thinking about their customers at all and but it was some [TS]

02:15:29   weird thing I think with Cablevision maybe where you could sign up I don't [TS]

02:15:34   know obviously I didn't do it but you know I'll tell you I don't want to say [TS]

02:15:38   this is your friend and your frequent guest on the show but I mean it is that [TS]

02:15:43   in the last couple months I have found more and more good stuff [TS]

02:15:46   courts yeah we're we're trying hard we were expanding there's an opening on my [TS]

02:15:53   team if you want to be a science writer New York and we're also working on [TS]

02:15:59   getting someone in San Francisco to write check for us so let's go it's gray [TS]

02:16:03   area like it you know I wasn't really looking for a day job but I found a [TS]

02:16:09   great one and I'm really happy there and there is really good stuff on the site [TS]

02:16:13   yeah I have a have a piece I haven't posted yet its first post tomorrow [TS]

02:16:19   cued up by Lily Kuo Kuo I guess on Chinese regulation of social media has [TS]

02:16:31   on what's really good article I thought I have now read that one yet so wait to [TS]

02:16:36   find out anyway good stuff there dan is I think it over there so it's been fun [TS]

02:16:46   at the good to be back in the saddle at the QZ dot com and sitting out of course [TS]

02:16:54   yeah we shared a new map out sometime this year hopefully sooner than the end [TS]

02:17:01   of the year so stay tuned for that same time as the Moto 270 yeah right [TS]

02:17:07   just follow me on Twitter from dome and you'll get updates on all the stuff I'm [TS]

02:17:12   working on right now that's great so thanks for being here and talk to him [TS]