0:00:00no seriously do you do you do you wear polarized sunglasses I have sunglasses
0:00:04only I don't think they're polarized caused by I buy the cheapest ones
0:00:08possible
0:00:09because I sit on them and I lose them and so I gave up by a nice once horrors
0:00:13Asian I know I'm not an optician are not in optics but the basic idea is sound
0:00:19kinda crazy and you know what the hell they were there they're like blind like
0:00:23horizontal blinds on the lenses there there knowing that they did you can see
0:00:27them with the naked eye but the ideas that make sure glasses like blind
0:00:32without reducing visibility it reduces glare like for example like people who
0:00:39work on the water like fishermen loved polarized sunglasses because it cuts
0:00:46down on glare from the water but you know if you have polarized sunglasses or
0:00:52not because if you look at your iPhone it or any kind of looks different
0:00:57it looks crazy it's raining again I do then I do yes I do you do have I must
0:01:04cause my family
0:01:06the first the first time I noticed that I thought that it was something wrong
0:01:09with the phone
0:01:11and then I realized I but yeah that's exactly it's exactly how how this came
0:01:19to my mind I actually would happen is out I had Marco Arment on the show last
0:01:24week and I heard an episode of his show weeks ago where he was talking about the
0:01:30Warby Parker glasses and sunglasses and said he likes polarized sunglasses and I
0:01:37thought in a million listening to the show that's crazy how can someone uses
0:01:42an iPhone all the time as I presume market does used polarized sunglasses
0:01:46like to meet the debate between whether you get polarized sunglasses or not is
0:01:50over now that we carry iPhones with this all over the place looks bad on your
0:01:54iPhone makes your iPhone the crazy I makes it look to me it makes it look
0:01:59unreadable i I could not bear to use my iPhone with sunglasses and yet I have my
0:02:04sunglasses on and and daytime and I wanted to talk tomorrow about it but we
0:02:13ran short of time because we did quick show so I didn't get to bring it up to
0:02:17him is the effect the same in the casino I would bet given that given all the
0:02:25video poker machines I'm sure they go where you would be most likely be using
0:02:30them well and then further confusion the casinos you know if you start seeing
0:02:36wavy lines and glasses are here last time I saw this guy next to me smokin
0:02:51you just never know what is causing the wavy lines but anyway that's me today
0:02:59that reminded me that they're bringing up with you because I didn't bring up
0:03:05with Marco is that a couple weeks ago I had me sold first original iPod out the
0:03:12one with the wheel that actually spun just a name for old time sake and
0:03:16I think it was it was like yeah I just gotta get out posted a picture on
0:03:22Instagram couple hundred likes it's a beautiful device it really is it looks
0:03:27ancient now because it's so crazy because there's a bigger hard drive but
0:03:31yeah but I had it out and it was in my office here next to my desk thanks to
0:03:37next to a window in the sunshine and amusing here before she ran out for an
0:03:42errand and why did you leave this because it's hers not mine actually I
0:03:46said she got mad at me when I posted to Instagram I made it look and say
0:03:51anything on Instagram she says that mine workers and their huge actor image
0:03:59sleeping on the couch or three night but then she got mad at me because I R acted
0:04:05because I left it out in the Sun for a couple of weeks and I looked at it and I
0:04:09was it didn't really look weird to me and that these sunglasses cuz it
0:04:16actually made it made the original iPod with her son with her polarized
0:04:21sunglasses and made it look as though it had a color screen like you know like a
0:04:26rainbow yeah yeah I got what I would have known that I actually would have
0:04:31been did to me if you borrow your wives original 2001 iPod and literally racket
0:04:37it wasn't you it still works as the thing that amazing find a firewire cable
0:04:41if I'd actually directed that would justify your your ok going blind as long
0:04:48as you can
0:04:49continue to look at yer killin vinyl long-term slaves you can continue to
0:04:54look at your iPhone with crystal clarity clarity right now I don't think non
0:04:58polarized on polarized whatever the word is normal
0:05:01sunglasses are driving me blind I think it just have to put up with a little bit
0:05:07more glare
0:05:09actually ham you might be in the same situation where similar vintage I am
0:05:18having trouble starting starting to get my left eye now my right eye which I
0:05:27don't know if it's better or worse I got it I got it all through my body called
0:05:33is it I looked it up a little bit scared I had to I had to buy and to finally buy
0:05:39a pair of cheaters reading glasses
0:05:43just like cheap grocery store ones how do they work
0:05:46what does it what do they do just makes it easier see things close to him how
0:05:50did I thought the same thing that's what classes
0:06:01reader classes do you can see I'm really well informed about yeah we should
0:06:08really be having this conversation by Lizzie so what you wear contacts I do so
0:06:18I think that's when I think that long range but I think I need to do is a need
0:06:21to get some kind of parent classes they take around with me want to read yeah
0:06:27it's a problem in restaurants now in low light situations trying to return to
0:06:33menus and I know I know now my parents went through and why they so he seems to
0:06:42anoint glasses on and no sympathy for my dad when you went through that all right
0:06:48I remember my dad got his first pair by my dad wears glasses and has his entire
0:06:56adult life i believe i dont i dont have seen a picture of my dad without glasses
0:07:01on since he was a teenager I remember when he got by vocals and he really was
0:07:08struggling with them because it we really have to like hold things in a
0:07:10weird angle and I had no sympathy for making fun of them
0:07:20yeah I gotta arrogance of youth what's it called presbyopia presbyterian
0:07:36presbyopia usually occurs beginning around 8:40 when people experience
0:07:41blurred vision near vision when reading sewing or working at the computer before
0:07:47I did and she started wearing she'd never won classes vision was perfect
0:07:51which I always found irritating to begin with and then she also kept saying
0:07:55things like I think it'd be kinda cool wear glasses I think it look good in
0:07:59glasses you're not going out and getting like blamed glasses look like just a bit
0:08:06but then she got the reader glasses and like the french fries go in with those
0:08:15classes like
0:08:21librarian name names 500 99.9% sure he'd show but he was wearing glasses one day
0:08:40in high school and grade and you know the guy you know makes fun of someone I
0:08:48actually had to start wearing glasses in high school I also got contacts and most
0:08:52of the time I didn't look different but I just did you know about you but I
0:09:01within a day or two it turned out that he didn't have prescription glasses he
0:09:04he he should be literally said I think they make me look smart and then we just
0:09:11tore into him i mean it's like off to the races because of a sudden instead of
0:09:15making fun of somebody for having you know legitimate probable life had bad I
0:09:21said since 4th grade so you know I don't hear it you know I had to live with this
0:09:27pain for a long time
0:09:29you're gonna just wear them because you think they like did I have told this
0:09:32story before this is one of the this may be the funniest thing ever happened to
0:09:36me in my life and I think I've told this story on the show before better but it
0:09:40was years ago so I'm not reaction it was sixth grade and his kid Wayne on the
0:09:46train and I got sent down to the nurse together for the annual kids go down to
0:09:52buy two and checked right and you don't know why they send you to buy two I
0:09:58don't think the nurse was very good with children so she couldn't have and the
0:10:04lights are real low in the room because it's set up for exams and there's a
0:10:08chair to wait and it's about halfway between there's a piece of tape on the
0:10:12ground standard i chart and she said you know who wants to go first and I took a
0:10:20seat I'm halfway to the sign and I thought this would be so easy to cheat
0:10:25because my brain works is you know I'm halfway there I can just memorize the
0:10:31bottom line I saw as something about you know why why wouldn't they
0:10:38you know proctor this exam a little bit more in the meantime in member how these
0:10:44two do it they did like have you have you read and it was the same thing every
0:10:47year to see which line you can read cover the other I do with the other eye
0:10:51and then they are asked to give us a pair of glasses and they were there they
0:10:56look like Warby Parkers now they're like I guess you know they're like what looks
0:11:00cool now black chunky glasses but like in the eighties they were the worst
0:11:03glasses and a real thick and it was the same parent they just put them on and
0:11:09then what do you see what I put them on the scene nothing like the whole world
0:11:16and you know this is the 636 grade same score six years so it's like the 6th
0:11:20time I've done this and I'm sitting there bored listening and she's out what
0:11:25about this row what about this room and doing can't see any of the Rose he
0:11:30couldn't even see the big hit the top started giggling and then that she had
0:11:37to cover his there I and it was the same thing you couldn't read it and how it
0:11:50goes what if you try these on she gives him this pair of glasses everybody had
0:11:56the track he goes oh wow and I just died I just fell out of my chair laughing at
0:12:06the plane has not seen the the board three years and then nurse turns me she
0:12:16was do you think something and I said he had had good parents you know I think
0:12:28his mom is even a nurse nurses kids are always been like he didn't have health
0:12:32care anything I did just like never he never really and somehow I don't know if
0:12:39he had had a really bad year between 5th and 6th grade if he'd been absent the
0:12:43year before when they did the same thing but last two days later doing comes in
0:12:55thanks got glasses he doesn't have to wear them which is pretty pretty good
0:13:02just smiled but is it distance or close distance and mana first first pair that
0:13:10he got where was this Spiderman glasses a picture him with those they were they
0:13:17were and they were asked if they were very subtly spider-man the case was was
0:13:21kind of spider-man depth but the the glasses themselves look like sort of war
0:13:25because they just had a little spider web on the
0:13:30on the things on the side I thought those kids Jonas's school wearing
0:13:37glasses then when I was a kid when I was a kid it it just seemed pretty rare
0:13:42there are now she's pretty common I can't wait to see what happened to these
0:13:47kids you know they say that stand in the way from hours a day as bad guys can
0:13:55imagine how much worse it
0:13:57kids can you imagine corrective surgery cuz i feel like im with us like we were
0:14:03even when we were playing video games and arcade or something the parties were
0:14:08so fuzzy focus closely that was good for us and you can afford to play for you
0:14:14know as long as they can now do think that whenever they people complain about
0:14:23the in-app purchases to realize how much it costs me to play video I worked as a
0:14:28teenager I worked in a man managed by spent I spent everything you pick the
0:14:35place had the key to the place you left without a paycheck every week but I had
0:14:43to keep the place and so on Saturday night my friends and was closed and we
0:14:48were just go down and open it up and clit lock the door was your favorite
0:14:54video game arcade
0:14:57my favorite all-time in that one or not was temple's
0:15:00that's a good game I love all the points do all the vector vector art yeah yeah
0:15:08those are all good yeah Star Wars yeah Star Wars one battle zone battles and I
0:15:16guess I asked her if she was vector graphics to never really thought about
0:15:19that but now they think about the way that I think it was yeah there were a
0:15:25number of asteroids reports that were pretty yeah I remember my favor
0:15:31neighborhood arcade growing up
0:15:34had to buy honor always a favorite and you are coming through that's that Dino
0:15:42Dan benjamin and I talked at length about your coming years ago
0:15:46show he was a big game I don't cause I miss that is now it wont that whole
0:15:53fighter named came a little bit after my time
0:15:57er come true like one of the first ones you google it after the show and you'll
0:16:02see from the graphics quality was it was like Street Fighter yeah it was a lot
0:16:10more like pac-man graphics even had like that I know is made by the same company
0:16:17is pacman had that same exact same score fun same basic idea that were you fight
0:16:26with two guys fight side-by-side but it was it was older older version I'll take
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0:19:02sign up please so we crossed off the list so far polarized sunglasses and yes
0:19:10arcade arcade games and presbyopia
0:19:17well here's the weird thing I didn't know this is so it with my left eye if I
0:19:23close my right I actually really to be honest I can't read my iphone if it's
0:19:28just with my lifetime I close my left eye I can read with my right eye just
0:19:33like I've always done before and for some odd reason with both eyes open it
0:19:38looks even better I don't know how that works even though my left I can't focus
0:19:43it somehow looks better in my head with both eyes open but obviously of it just
0:19:50happened to my left eye in the past year probably whatever is whatever mechanism
0:19:59it is in there that lets you focus both long distance and short-range it's like
0:20:08one loose like the Millennium Falcon III had no idea but I thought to have with
0:20:21the thing is is that a distant my left eye was also a little blurry I just need
0:20:27a new prescription and so I went to the eye doctor and got any right or left I
0:20:31got a little worse since last year you need new prescription here you go
0:20:35here's a sample contact lens try this out tried it out and close distance
0:20:40stuff got worse way worse and I was I so I went back and it takes a lot for me to
0:20:46go back to a doctor I didn't I just thought everything was blurry in and I
0:20:51got this new thing and after today I see great distance with his new contact land
0:20:54but like reading is worse and I doctor looks i mean he's like yeah it works
0:21:03nearsighted prescription is the worst day makes the the inability to close
0:21:12level right now I'm so all they have to choose between
0:21:17what I want to be able to see ya pretty sad as I did at this point and any
0:21:27any native culture where that's all just piled some sticks around then just left
0:21:32me there continued on without me
0:21:37marker passed away peacefully without being eaten by the animals so here I am
0:21:4941 thank you for you on and I have always felt I felt so good for years
0:21:57that their jitters to a plan under jitters 143 still the starting shortstop
0:22:02for the New York Yankees he's retiring after this year I cannot however much
0:22:09better you know physical condition Derek Jeter has always been in me as being a
0:22:15world-class athlete and me being a guy sits in a chair the difference in age 40
0:22:2541 as profound he's still the starting shortstop for the yankees and I can't
0:22:30read my phone really feel like this is the beginning of the part where you just
0:22:38everything you die distorts yeah I'm turning in age this year so I decided I
0:22:46was ever gonna get back in shape or get in shape he was kind he was 10 years ago
0:22:51started start yes I need to start a long time ago but now you know for sure and
0:22:56started exercising again and and I went to the doctor and I had everything and I
0:23:01mean everything done what you did have every possible every possible test is
0:23:06being run some of them some of them will take months to complete a special
0:23:13episode of the talk show with a camera that nobody wants to be a very special
0:23:21doesn't want to be there
0:23:23nobody I don't want to be there their listeners definitely don't want to hear
0:23:33about the guy who asked doctor if you could check of his a Darth Vader up his
0:23:36ass but I don't want to just honestly I'm just going to write down here ya SNL
0:23:50Darth Vader Star Wars doctors is fun
0:23:56ya speaka Star Wars x-wing which is what everybody's saying about even though
0:24:03that sounds like a great cause a truly great I think it's awesome I love it
0:24:20yeah I think that these teachers were there to shoot among these practical
0:24:25said and I know that they said you know it was a thing they said when they
0:24:29announced they're gonna do episode 7 and they're gonna change Abrams directing
0:24:34and even set right up front we're gonna you know we're gonna die a little back
0:24:38on the computer graphics and dial it back up a little bit on the practical
0:24:42special effects but actions speak louder than words and just seen something like
0:24:46a real fall life-size X-wing is awesome and I remember story when we were kids
0:24:54and I don't know if it was after all three movies just after you know
0:24:59somewhere in the run when Star Wars was the original story in a magazine about a
0:25:05guy you know and they built you know practical sized
0:25:09swings and might even like it like nineteen you know after the 77 1977
0:25:14original and some guy in california and put in his backyard he liked you know
0:25:20there is a guy who had like a life-size X-wing his backyard and I as a kid all I
0:25:28can think is that is the coolest thing I've ever heard and I if I had
0:25:32that I would go in and sit in the X-wing everyday now as an adult hello back and
0:25:37I think I can see being stupid enough to buy if I had a backyard they could fit
0:25:45and I could see being stupid enough to pay someone to put it there and then the
0:25:49next day I would wake up and then what I last night
0:25:59summit did a couple years ago maybe a little bit more
0:26:02there was a project going on to build a full size Millennium Falcon I saw that
0:26:08they really built in the forest or someplace can't remember where they were
0:26:12doing it but they had like they'd bought some land and they were building a
0:26:17full-size morning fog I wonder what did they do with like full-size millennium
0:26:23the real full-size Millennium Falcon they built back in 77 I presume they
0:26:30kept around for the next two movies and so that the one you saw an empire was
0:26:34the same one was I'm not sure was there ever really a full size one built
0:26:38because they might have just done the door and down the rest of the map I
0:26:45think sure there's there's something pretty big in this scene where you know
0:26:50they're loading up I don't know if it's truly full size and articulated from
0:26:58every angle but but the one in most isley where you know they're getting on
0:27:04the ship and a race against time because the storm troopers are setting up but
0:27:14that's a prediction clearly a pretty big pretty big physical thing there and I
0:27:20think about it like when there is shooting off the Minox inside the
0:27:24dinosaur in the asteroid in the next movie and ending on hot there's a pretty
0:27:29big 12 is up there fixing yeah there's a big and I may not be articulated on all
0:27:35sides I don't know but visually the Millennium Falcon was represented by
0:27:40several models and external and internal sets for Star Wars a partial exterior
0:27:45set was constructed in the set to rest as docking bay 94 and the Death Star
0:27:50hanger
0:27:53or do you think they were they not able to move that and then they they they
0:27:58changed the most isley docking bay to become the Death Star that would be cool
0:28:03maybe I'll bet that maybe this is a sign that says it would be just as docking
0:28:09bay 94 that was the one of the most likely right yeah it's just a partial
0:28:14exteriors so shiny new actually I think it's pretty cool yeah I'm kinda I'm kind
0:28:23of pro these movies I know some people are concerned I think a lot of people
0:28:29our age have a subscribe to end its a sensible Maxim but the fool me once
0:28:37shame on you fool me twice shame on me and so they are not going to get excited
0:28:42about the new trilogy until well after it comes out no way no how no chance
0:28:48that is not gonna be better
0:28:50than the last three and the last three left such a bad taste in my mouth
0:28:55i'm happy to have pretty much anything I got confused by your sense because of
0:29:01the two negatives but I said there's no chance that it's not going to be better
0:29:06which means it has to you and what you're trying to say yes to be better
0:29:09has to be better
0:29:10yes I think that I agree larry kasdan involved on the screenplay Abrams is
0:29:19good you know I think abrams worst movies better than than those yes I
0:29:25we've said this before I've said this numerous times over Star Wars comes up
0:29:28on the show though you have to understand that for like our kids
0:29:31generation
0:29:33the they're all blur together my son Jonah still has no idea which ones are
0:29:37the old ones in the know how can you not tell the difference
0:29:41three movies that are very very different and that when I was your age
0:29:45we thought Return of the Jedi was the bad one and now we think that was a
0:29:50great movie
0:29:54thanks lou has not seen the prequels
0:29:58I am i yeah I mean he's not is he loved the Clone Wars TV series and he's seen
0:30:07the first three movies and then I was like an X files like if you want to we
0:30:13can watch movies like now
0:30:15you in Syria John Siracusa are like the founder yeah but for a while it was it
0:30:19was a very when he was really kind of into the woods into the movies
0:30:23themselves for a while before he got into the the Clone Wars show and I think
0:30:28at that point he has hit was he asked a lot of questions about the other three
0:30:32movies and I was like wow we don't have them exist I worry I worry about those
0:30:49movies because they came from the same guy and it's not talking about getting
0:30:53older and you know and there's there's I don't know who this is I'm not a doctor
0:30:58but they say that like you know I for every few years every single cell in
0:31:03your body dies in his replace throughout the cycle so like I don't know within
0:31:09like 10 years every cell in your brain has died and been replaced
0:31:13you know and hopefully you know they they have any kind of memories that last
0:31:18longer than that is that way she gets stored as I'm going out I've got a
0:31:26memory of big dog in 1984 and in the news
0:31:30iran comes in and goes I got it I got right but I don't know if there is
0:31:36something nice job enjoy your retirement there is something that happened to
0:31:39george lucas as he got older that is just very MEA he might be a seems like a
0:31:45very nice man
0:31:46and you know he's had a very happy life but as an artist the guy that the guy
0:31:51who made thx 1138 eventually made the Phantom Menace is just mind-boggling and
0:31:58that it wasn't because I like a work for hire you know you know gotta do it for
0:32:03the money at stake he funded the whole thing I'm so lucky he's set everything
0:32:11up and that's why it was so that to me is is why those movies are so profoundly
0:32:16disappointing was that he always impressed me that in a very different
0:32:22way than like Stanley Kubrick that he he was a guy who wanted to do things his
0:32:26own way outside the studio system you know I was thought it was cool everybody
0:32:30knew you know he wasn't Los Angeles based he was in Northern California
0:32:33nobody else was up there making movies and then he he created this amazing
0:32:39franchise that and and set up the licensing and such a way that he got all
0:32:43the money from it so that he would never have to go to the studios from money to
0:32:47make a movie again he could just wanted to and then he made used it to make
0:32:52Howard the Duck in the Phantom Menace
0:32:58yeah yeah I mean he had known the answer to either themself
0:33:01towered the doctor at his grandparents house and i got really a couple of how
0:33:07did that happen I don't know what it was like he was there
0:33:11babysat for the weekend we watch for the weekend in our way and Netflix or
0:33:17something like that let's watch that I tried to explain to him that it was from
0:33:23the guy who invented store owners and you wouldn't believe me
0:33:29a half an hour in which both talk about Apple eventually yeah a financial
0:33:34results came out today
0:33:35you know well today for us not today for the people of this entry into this later
0:33:41come out till thursday or some people should listen live
0:33:47should i do that you know the ATP guys have that it is helpful as I'm listening
0:33:57to ATP and they either make a mistake can think of something that they don't
0:34:02have to interrupt themselves and Google it they just keep their eye on the chat
0:34:06and say you know it's kind of amazing and it sort of reminds me of like the
0:34:12podcast equivalent of like on a light on and live TV the way the anger always has
0:34:17your piece and a director somebody off stage can tell them things you know so
0:34:22that caused it so that the person whose on-air doesn't have to interrupt the
0:34:27shadow
0:34:28like it works remember having it with the old talk show in 10 Benjamin for a
0:34:33while not a long stretch but for some stretch we had like an IRC channel or
0:34:37something like that and it was occasionally helpful I don't think I
0:34:41could do it though because I think the reason it works for ATP guys is that
0:34:44they required on a very regular schedule where every Wednesday night at nine I
0:34:52don't think I've ever recorded two episodes of the show same day I can I
0:34:59can the ones that I've been on you up at midnight but it's only midnight out
0:35:09there you go
0:35:10remember why I remember being disappointed I was disappointed when I
0:35:20found out that like the tonight show wasn't life
0:35:23yeah although I
0:35:27growing up I mean greater New York
0:35:30life was lived yes yes which was great
0:35:35that was that was a crazy it was great to see them crack up and
0:35:40those rules the moments that you remembered
0:35:45but that was basically
0:35:48there are like that nobody's live in the tonight show used to be live on the east
0:35:57coast and then I think at some point in the sixties they switched or maybe it
0:36:02was when they moved to California in the seventies when they moved from New York
0:36:05to California in the seventies maybe that's when they switched and it just
0:36:13felt like a bit of it she right but then I started thinking of it is more like
0:36:17knowing like a magician's magic trick at first it ruins the illusion and anything
0:36:22hey this is pretty cool these people they're clearly pretending they don't
0:36:25lie they don't tell you it's live but they're acting as though it's late at
0:36:28night somehow that was ever going to and went to a show on NBC and its like it
0:36:40was like at four o'clock in the afternoon or something not right now but
0:36:44a big tits but they kinda I mean they cheat he does he does like a time that
0:36:50it's you know to stay up until eleven o'clock right or like like like an
0:36:58election nato make jokes like as though he knows who won the election
0:37:04so financial results came in that's what we were on I hardly really looked at and
0:37:17it seemed like they were more or less kind of sort of in line not shocking
0:37:21financially good iPhones pretty good a little bit I found a little higher than
0:37:27expected
0:37:28yeah margins are still grade higher than expected and that was that's been a
0:37:34thing like that that during the rundown of the stock like the great 2013 Apple
0:37:41depression was always about the margin that the margins are collapse they can't
0:37:46you know and and part of it was because they had a run for a couple of maybe
0:37:52even number year where they had insanely high margins and I think maybe who knows
0:37:57if it will how much of it was just remember when they bought all the LEDs
0:38:01LCD screens and a bunch of RAM in advance it was like somehow like that
0:38:07that paid off huge and they had like 40 something percent margins for a while
0:38:11and part of it was just that that was a fluke in terms of being high and they
0:38:16kept saying it was a fluke
0:38:17you know this is all you know we'll take the money but this is a surprise that
0:38:21normally that they should not be this high and then part of it was just you
0:38:26know bad luck that it down a little bit but then I know there was a lot of
0:38:30speculation for a while that the margins were gonna compress yeah but now
0:38:40the only it's like the only
0:38:43question is the iPads are down again yeah i pad down here oh well it's two
0:38:48things I think it and I think they maybe they're related I don't know iPad is
0:38:53down 10% year-over-year 49 produced 2000 really well max are up 18 percent and
0:39:01the max 18 percent is even more impressive because according to most
0:39:06like IDC in other people who track the whole industry the industry as a whole
0:39:10is still down 2 percent for the same quarter so in an industry where like
0:39:16Windows PCs or I guess including the Mac including all Mac and Windows Windows
0:39:22Windows PCs must be worse if the matter further right and I think that's kind of
0:39:30surprising because I feel like a couple of years ago when the iPad 2011 2012
0:39:35when I pad was early days and and was clearly a hit I think there everybody
0:39:41was including me was sort of thinking about how how is this as the iPad gets
0:39:46more powerful and more popular and more familiar how is that can affect Mac
0:39:51laptop sales probably you know be like a sort of slow decline and it seems like
0:39:56that the other way around I don't know yeah yeah that's it's interesting I
0:40:02don't know exactly where I think some of the negativity about Windows machine
0:40:09sales as well as aid yeah it's just not the often those kinds of upgrades drive
0:40:16sales in effect this time because everybody hates it I had really just
0:40:22don't think if you went back late 2011 and early days as tablets and mobile
0:40:27phones
0:40:28gangbusters I just don't think I would have believed that come 2014 the Mac
0:40:33woods Dolci ATM I why does my heart
0:40:38well you know it's great to see them active yeah I like that ad did you like
0:40:45that the Yeah Yeah Yeah I liked it a lot
0:40:49yeah and I noticed them in like that that little flash of the old I come the
0:40:53old logos great
0:40:55the old logo came up
0:40:57I so this is a new commercial that Apple they call it a short film it happens to
0:41:01be exactly thirty seconds long but I don't know you'll see it on TV money in
0:41:09between two predicaments of a show in between commercials to broadcast thirty
0:41:16seconds short film about one of their products they're not gonna do it then
0:41:25who is if you haven't seen it it's just 30 seconds of almost like stop motion
0:41:31animation but it's just a whole bunch own very very quick cuts I think maybe
0:41:38less than a second each MacBook and MacBook Airs switch to
0:41:49thought that the whole thing holes and was about that was about the air ok that
0:41:55has a MacBook everybody's maybe it's two different sizes and MacBook Airs but
0:42:00with you know all sorts of custom stickers decorating the Apple logo case
0:42:07they never show the screen it's always just the Apple logo some of them I've
0:42:12seen before
0:42:13some of them pretty clever but then I noticed the one about halfway through
0:42:17its like pixel art version of the old six color Apple logo that you put over
0:42:24the Apple logo on the MacBook and then when they met when the Apple logo lights
0:42:28up it lights up the decal I saw that one at first I thought oh cool I haven't
0:42:34seen you know that's a neat way to sneak the old apple logo into an ad but then
0:42:38at the very end of the ad very quickly cycle through different styles of the
0:42:43Apple logo not on a Macbook just the Apple logo included in the old six color
0:42:48amal ago and I found that really interesting that some pushback I wrote
0:42:53about it and I said something whether they say it's a pretty well
0:43:00I rode people have been decorating a laptop stickers and decals ever since
0:43:05they became consumer products didn't see many stickers on them and it cost $5,000
0:43:10first time I tried to buy a PowerBook of $6,000 gonna happen and I don't think we
0:43:18need to commission a demographic survey to state that younger people are more
0:43:22likely to do this than older people no coincidence that the spot is debuting
0:43:25and back-to-school season in the old days Apple didn't have to worry about
0:43:31conformance just owning a Mac major stand out from the crowd but what
0:43:35happened now when everyone you know has a MacBook and every MacBook looks the
0:43:39same something like this commercial is what happened some people push for a
0:43:45country like everybody you know as a Macbook and it's obviously something
0:43:50like that doesn't literally mean everybody but I that's the case and a
0:43:54lot of schools that there are you know whether it's high school or college
0:43:59where it seems like everybody you know I'm seeing those pictures you see those
0:44:05pictures like lecture halls yeah I mean that's been happening for years before
0:44:10these market changes happened in the PC market where where PC started falling
0:44:16and apple and Max are rising and I think it's you know that when younger
0:44:22teenagers and college students and even more profound so yet take every word
0:44:28every one with a grain of salt but if it seems like most of your friends all have
0:44:32MacBooks all MacBooks especially from the back look exactly the same you know
0:44:37their pro they're all just aluminum with white logo i mean i think is a cool luck
0:44:43but you know as a kid that's there's a sort of resistance to that sort of
0:44:49confinement yeah
0:44:52I'm not a fan of the plastic covers for plastic covers and wants to put a cover
0:44:58on my iPhone but I just as I feel like I'm gonna drop that but i dont on a
0:45:02Macbook I don't
0:45:05like the plastic yeah and I don't think the other thing shells shells yeah the
0:45:11other thing that's interesting about that commercial is it shows a bunch of
0:45:14them that are beaten up literally dented scratched well used and that pretty
0:45:21interesting to my knowledge I think Matthew Bender you know I don't think
0:45:25Apple's ever advertised with you know well-worn well but they've talked about
0:45:34it before like johnnie I've at least hasn't knows you know those videos he
0:45:38shoots from the white University lives in the guy who runs the matrix matrix
0:45:48you know that that they choose these materials for how they where you know
0:45:55and it should be like a pair of you know good pair of boots blue jeans or
0:46:00something like that
0:46:01look better but they don't show it like that but I do think there's a truth to
0:46:06it you know and I think that especially when you know i phone is different cuz
0:46:10it's got class and can you know that the glass all things are offered I don't use
0:46:14a case for my phone but I don't blame anybody does because glass whereas you
0:46:19know MacBooks are in my experience extremely
0:46:23yeah especially as specially since they've switched to SSDs
0:46:29yeah I think that you know the aluminum you know I think that it's kinda need i
0:46:34think johnnie I've private like that I think he'd like privacy in Siena beat up
0:46:39in the morning and that they do think they designed for ya
0:46:44uses a very old MacBook Air MacBook Pro thing like physically rough or leg rough
0:46:57everything I mean it's gonna end and he seems like he spilled a drink on the
0:47:04keyboard and I gotta figure out how to get the keys up to clean cuz it's clear
0:47:07sticky now underneath their sticky it's easy clean the top of them but now
0:47:13they're attached that I would not type on that thing just a bit of a passive
0:47:23aggressive street where he's taken now to showing me some Minecraft mods
0:47:30there's there's there's shaders and they they totally changed the way the game is
0:47:35rendered and and he says look this one is meant for MacBook MacBook Airs to
0:47:43make it look better and still like wow isn't that interesting and then put this
0:47:49one is actually all right even though it wasn't meant for an old man but this
0:47:55one's any goes well its laggy but it's not as like I do kind of feel bad
0:48:02in the sense that somehow I'm proud that he you know cares about frame rate right
0:48:09now I get that I get that but we've got a great running gag on our house because
0:48:14it's a 32 so it's there's never a tie somebody's always going to win and so
0:48:20like one of ours is
0:48:22standard def video on the TV and he doesn't really notice doesn't really
0:48:27seem to care and Jonas Jonas has been poisoned you expect me to watch this
0:48:38notice is the video quality that much maybe it's cuz he's known as glasses but
0:48:46he definitely like frame rates or buffering it dry them deserve oh god
0:48:53help you if something is buffering and drops below 60 when he had a move to
0:49:02another country where they have 60 frames per second so when I was a kid we
0:49:05had eight pixels on the screen at a black-and-white TV are Atari 2600
0:49:14literally had a switch you can flip that said you're playing on a blog on my TV
0:49:18remember that BMW was like I guess it's you know only choose shades you know my
0:49:31first video game console mode for buying anything else on the quarterly finances
0:49:41just that they are looking forward to having a big fall recording at a time
0:49:49where I have not seen the conference call which is usually were more
0:49:55information comes out so they've dropped him
0:49:58expected yes anything which you know we're hoping for a kind of expecting to
0:50:06win in the other thing I thought was interesting was that
0:50:09Tim Cook said that the growth in the iPhone 5 CEO they don't give up don't
0:50:14break out how well each iPhone does
0:50:18but he said the growth this quarter and the iPhone 5 seat year was higher than
0:50:23the growth in either the 405 us
0:50:27so right now their words not you know obviously there's no there was no
0:50:33previous four seeded compared against but it was that pricing tiers yes yes so
0:50:39it was compared to the fore si year ago yes compared to the forest year ago
0:50:44correct yeah yeah I think that's interesting especially since there are a
0:50:47lot of people who were sort of talk in the five see up as a failure rate how
0:50:51that it was that's the air and it's only in arguably a failure in that they don't
0:50:58think they didn't sell as many as Apple thought there in cell or maybe they
0:51:02didn't sell as many as I thought they would in the first quarter but maybe the
0:51:06year as a whole
0:51:08yeah I guess it's only nine months or so but it's still like it's like the fourth
0:51:13or fifth best-selling phone I I see a lot of them I really do I started
0:51:17yesterday you keep seeing more and more
0:51:19yeah I think you know I don't think Apple I know from talking to some people
0:51:26that they don't they don't they're didn't have a crystal ball they don't
0:51:29they didn't know exactly how many like talking to them last year when they
0:51:32first announced them and to me the part that stuck out right on day one that I
0:51:37think it was $199 $299 was one price review for the exact same price
0:51:44carriers subsidize you can get either the 5s or the five see you can get like
0:51:49the best five see where the worst 5s I think and I was 19 different I just
0:51:55different
0:51:58yeah yeah you know and did you know the 5s has 16 gigabytes 5s versus 32
0:52:07gigabyte five see that I could be wrong and I don't even email me but you know
0:52:12something like that you get 32 gigabytes privacy or 16 gigabyte 5s at the exact
0:52:17same price and I thought that was interesting because that's for some
0:52:22people who someone is less informed you know maybe that's a difficult decision
0:52:26how did they think that was gonna break out and we don't know you know we really
0:52:32don't know
0:52:32estimate but you know until we put the stuff out you know we're off
0:52:36were always a little surprised by wit which you know the exact configurations
0:52:42are better than some consistency Europe but sometimes you can't predict it so I
0:52:48think they're probably a little surprised if I have she didn't sell rate
0:52:53right off the bad and maybe they're a little surprised that it has legs as
0:52:57strong as it does but I think easy explanation you know that it is the one
0:53:03that people who are enthusiasts is always going to be the top brand new one
0:53:10right that you care about things like that the camera is a little better as an
0:53:14extra have stopped of exposure and you care about the fact that they seven is a
0:53:20faster CPU I mean every day my life is better every day because my phone run 64
0:53:25bit can't believe there's people out there running and 32 bit so if I had a
0:53:3332 bit something I probably couldn't read my phone with either I just kill
0:53:37myself but now you know i mean when we think about things like that and then we
0:53:44do stupid things like go get online on day 12 by 12 so that we can have it the
0:53:49first day that it comes out whereas people who are not like that like just
0:53:54buy a phone whenever they're old man breaks or whenever they feel like
0:53:58they're old one man that I'm sick of this old phone and then they go in and
0:54:02they're like wow i like that pink one that looks cool down and they don't care
0:54:08about the fact that the cameras one year old and so of course it makes sense that
0:54:13that's the one I do now is make sense that the one
0:54:18that would do better year-over-year like us more of a slow burn bright and it
0:54:25still looks new looks like a new phone
0:54:27whereas I he year ago if you were going to buy the mid tier phone you're getting
0:54:31for us and it kind of looked a little older just kinda look like a year old
0:54:37from compared to their 50 s where's the five-seat looks just as now just in a
0:54:42different style it was another there was a rumor about Wall Street Journal
0:54:51that the Apple was ordering
0:54:54sixty to eighty million big phones I saw something about this some huge number
0:55:01right whereas like they like I think like last year in the fall they sold
0:55:07like 50 million and so something like this is a huge spike yeah I saw some
0:55:12stuff on Twitter about that words like one rogue report that they're ordering
0:55:16eighty million iPhones now means that you know six months from now on every
0:55:22port the holiday quarter fell 75 and is gonna be no matter how much higher is
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0:58:33maybe a week or two behind it he peed Siracusa brought up I thought a great
0:58:41question
0:58:41talking about this they're talking about you know this pervasive rumors that it
0:58:46can be too big or iPhone four point seven inch and 5.5 inch how come if
0:58:53there's going to be a 5.5 inch iPhone that wire where are the component leaks
0:58:59because there's all sorts of component leaks reported for the four point seven
0:59:03and they're from people who had like a year ago when they had component leaks
0:59:09of things like the gold back of the 5s you know we're pretty much spot on but
0:59:17there's no there's so you know before the 4.7 inch new iPhone is seems to be
0:59:25tracking exactly on pace leak wise as the last two or three years about from
0:59:30which to me it makes it seem like a slam dunk like unless something goes wrong it
0:59:39seems like that's that's going to be a new products but there's nothing I
0:59:43haven't seen anything like there have been screened have come out for the four
0:59:46point seven cases nothing for the 5.5 and then like Reuters have a story last
0:59:52week was Reuters business week but one of them had a story that said that that
0:59:56the four point seven inch i phone sex is going into production now like me in
1:00:02July and the 5.5 inch one is going into production next month meaning August but
1:00:09you might think well if it's a month behind then you know maybe the league's
1:00:15against are coming soon but leaks for the four point seven inch front came
1:00:19more than a month ago started a long time right I started months ago
1:00:24mmm course it makes sense that they would pick up if it is entering
1:00:28production but I don't know there's something about this 5.5 inch to meet
1:00:33the sound isn't gonna happen
1:00:35and she's kind of crazy to think that they would have phone comes in three
1:00:39sizes
1:00:41that seems to just before I knew it seems like it its intended use two at
1:00:51the same time since it seems like it would make sure its head explode like
1:00:54from a product marketing perspective how do you frame it you know how you frame
1:00:59the story like like with the iPad's they've got the same specs same camera
1:01:06same you know CPU same pixel dimensions it's just you want bigger smaller and
1:01:11you have to pay $120 bucks or whatever the differences for the bigger one and
1:01:16somehow seems to make sense in consumers minds a little more to get a better one
1:01:21pay less to get a smaller or maybe it doesn't maybe that's why iPad sales are
1:01:25down but but somehow comes across as feeling fair whereas if they come out
1:01:31with two new iPhones sixes and they're like the same a a system-on-a-chip same
1:01:37new and improved camera the same then this and one cost more than the other
1:01:42one which one cost more I'd rather have the smart one so what I write it doesn't
1:01:48seem to me like you should pay more for a bigger one so I don't I didn't make
1:01:52any sense maybe maybe maybe we're in luck maybe this year I don't want to buy
1:01:56the most expensive I need a particular because they've approached this so
1:02:00slowly and carefully to date ya jumping up to 5.5 inches seems unnecessary and
1:02:08you're still there still growing sales I mean it's not like it you know it was
1:02:13the iPad maybe we might think okay well sales are falling maybe they need to do
1:02:17something else but you know it's not like it's not like they have a pretty
1:02:21big problems selling iPhones iPods are only selling record numbers and
1:02:30conversely I don't think it makes any sense product marketing wise for if
1:02:34there's 241 to be like a deer and one to be the beach here because there's some
1:02:40number of people who are going to
1:02:42want the other one but one the other specs right somebody is going to say I
1:02:48want to top of the line iPhone the top of the line one is the 5.5 inch and the
1:02:54mid tier one is 4.7 inch like the five see equivalent class spec wise well I'm
1:03:00gonna be upset because i dont wanna 5.5 inch I even spent half an hour being a
1:03:06Showtime how I can read my eye I don't want it I don't I rather not be able to
1:03:15read my phone then carry something that I don't get it I don't see how they
1:03:20could do it you know and then you know let's say that the 5.5 inch better
1:03:24camera than four point seven in turn will that I don't make me angry right I
1:03:30just don't see it does make it is never made any sense to me like the iPhone I
1:03:36don't know how old weight and end and then do they still there for sort of a
1:03:41soul or does the
1:03:43if they switch to a thing where the new iPhone sex is out and it has now it has
1:03:51a four point seven inch screen i dont that that doesn't sound good to me I
1:03:55like four inches but I'll try it and it does sound reasonable and it does maybe
1:03:59you know as batteries get bigger you know you you know maybe I'll be happy
1:04:03with it thank you know what I kinda like having a bigger and you know you know I
1:04:09guess maybe maybe i mean and when they get when the five came out it was
1:04:13physically smaller than the 40 S right at the screen but in terms of volume was
1:04:20actually a smaller and is all I would hope they would do something like that
1:04:23yeah it felt like a fair tradeoff yeah we're going to 5.5 is just ridiculous
1:04:29I'm not saying know that I i cant believe that other people would want a
1:04:34device like that I do I totally understand that some people love them
1:04:38and that they you know that there is a sweet spot between you know I don't need
1:04:43a tablet and phone I just have this one device I know it's not for me I've seen
1:04:47such similar devices I can't imagine carrying them around carrying around my
1:04:51pocket everywhere I go I just don't see it I also doubt I do think they're also
1:04:57though and and with the discussions note you know joking aside about you know via
1:05:03it does raise the question of what is the point of getting a bigger screen is
1:05:08it to make everything bigger so that you see the same amount of texts but now
1:05:13it's bigger or is it to put more on the screen
1:05:17keep the texts the same size and you can have more texts at the same time
1:05:21yeah I think the answer is maybe both
1:05:25little bit of both right with the settings you know with the colorado is
1:05:32one of the other
1:05:33depth of text but there's seventy introduced then read on the general text
1:05:40size and you can make text bigger system wide
1:05:44and maybe you know it always seems to me like when you make it bigger the current
1:05:50iPhone takes up too much space maybe with a 5.5 inch fun that would be a
1:05:55great option for people with failing eyesight that I can see that is a great
1:06:00product but I just don't see how they sell alongside the four point advantage
1:06:04at least at the same here just seems like a lot to say that to me
1:06:12leaks even though there are leaks coming out I feel like we know less about what
1:06:16they're gonna announce iPhone wise then in years many years I can't even
1:06:22remember the last time I've had to guess last year about this time we had was
1:06:29quite this time certainly by August we had seen
1:06:33pricey I'd already written a review now I know we didn't see the privacy did we
1:06:41we know but I thought we saw the shells I thought we only saw the five at the
1:06:45meadowlands I think we saw the plastic ones we did name required
1:06:49they were white yeah but we did see all the colors I think we just like a white
1:06:54plastic one yeah I do remember something so we're we're in agreement
1:07:005.5 yet anyway I don't know and then there's people in the the people saying
1:07:06the rumors saying that it's a month behind her there might come early next
1:07:10year
1:07:10why they wouldn't announce that in September then that seems weird that
1:07:15they would do that I give it three or four months behind that seems to me like
1:07:19that's a non-starter it should either be at the same time and therefore in time
1:07:27for the holidays or like six months later you could be due in April or
1:07:32something like that yeah but if you know the holidays such a weird blip on their
1:07:40quarter you mean you can see it every time they have these you know like today
1:07:43every time they do the quarterly financial management at such a weird
1:07:46there's such a holiday company
1:07:51that it doesn't make sense that they would have something that would debut in
1:07:54January and they can announced in September because then people would you
1:08:00know the whole Osborne effect that they're not going to want to buy the 4.7
1:08:04inch one until they can see the 5.5 in 20 make a side-by-side comparison or you
1:08:11know they can't just have five point you know we are not going to sell it until
1:08:14January but we'll put him in the stores so you can see him whenever people love
1:08:18them you know what they're gonna did they wait doesn't make any sense you
1:08:23know you know show people something unless you can sell it yeah I just don't
1:08:27get it something just doesn't doesn't some of those rumors came from Chico I'm
1:08:32sure who is held up as one of the really good
1:08:41rumor resources and used to work for digital times that works in our ta
1:08:48securities when everybody I don't even know if it to hear is but if he got here
1:08:55and he's he's got a number of things correct but he's also got a number of
1:09:03things completely incorrect because last year he said that the iPhones to be
1:09:07announced at WWDC right and and he's the one saying that the the iPhone still a
1:09:14big iPhones are delayed in
1:09:17won't be coming in may not come until next year I think that if the 5.5 inch
1:09:22iPhone is quota is delayed maybe they were working on it maybe it is delayed
1:09:26for whatever reason that means it's pushed back here that's what I yeah I
1:09:32would think so they're not going to do something to three months after the
1:09:37initial so here's here's what I can't wait for that
1:09:40imagine this scenario September comes there's a big iPhone event Yerba Buena
1:09:45Center is rented out to put up some kind of big colorful poster I fly out there
1:09:52we have a big shown dog show dog and pony show ya and the only new iPhone
1:09:59announced is 4.75% sex it doesn't matter how awesome that phone is how many
1:10:08people are going to say where's my right i mean they can't win situation that
1:10:17Apple is in like it if they I don't see how they could do this make sense of how
1:10:25they would do both but if they don't do both there's gonna be some number of
1:10:28people who are outraged gonna say that they are out of touch you know disappear
1:10:35in 60 days
1:10:41did they did they disappear after the sixty days I wanted to know someone
1:10:47asked on a conference call I guess he trip trip Chowdhry does not get on the
1:10:55conference was great it is not the answer
1:10:58Kickstarter that I would totally Kickstarter project trip Chowdhry onto
1:11:06the every quarter conference call at least for the next four you know will
1:11:11pay whatever it costs and we get trip Chowdhry on every get one question on
1:11:16every call Jean monsters but right now we're just gonna ask about Apple TV is
1:11:24gonna ask a question yeah yeah that's get funded trip Chowdhry
1:11:31Crowder here
1:11:35penciled in for just appearing in early June when you didn't release and I
1:11:40watched thing this is Tim Cook southern accent question now we're still here
1:11:53next quarter I don't know how we can keep the lights on the other thing from
1:12:13the herd on the little bit of the conference call that I heard before we
1:12:20got on the air was that while the iPad sales were down overall they were up
1:12:26about fifty percent in countries like China and India which was interesting
1:12:32and they were down in
1:12:35mature countries developed nations BRIC countries BMI see what is the residual
1:12:44Russia India China Brazil Russia India China Brazil Russia India China sounds
1:12:51for random countries which is yet although there except that they're both
1:12:57all four are enormously populist right right so those those four countries it
1:13:08way up and isn't that exactly the the those are exactly the sort of countries
1:13:13where I feel like everybody said they would never ever selling iPads well and
1:13:20they also are like the sort of countries where everybody was saying last year
1:13:25when the five see came out and wasn't cheap you know that everybody saying
1:13:30keep iPhone and they came out and it wasn't there was no they had nothing to
1:13:35do with the cost it had to do with having the mid tier occupied by a new
1:13:39device at the same price points instead of a year old device coming down that's
1:13:45all they did nothing to do with the price is about replacing the middle tier
1:13:50with a new phone rather than in one that was probably cheaper yeah I think that
1:13:57helped helped help their margin right I think yeah I think that there's
1:14:01something yeah there's something to that where I think that the the the refined
1:14:06aluminum if you know if they had held the past pattern instead of the five see
1:14:11the five she wouldn't exist and the iPhone 5 would still be sold at that
1:14:16point which is what the five she is in turn which also against we want to
1:14:23speculate but i found out i mean i phone 5 CBS which would be an iPhone 5s in a
1:14:31plastic case I would like I don't know if they're going to call it a five ccs
1:14:35cuz it's starting to get to me the simplest thing is the 25 C drops down to
1:14:4150 strips down and you get a 4.7 inch yeah but I kind of feel like the pattern
1:14:46a cent last year as they don't wanna sell the
1:14:49nice case are you know in the middle in the middle I do I feel like I feel like
1:14:59that year was a setup just to get to the point where the plastic cases on the
1:15:03bottom level maybe could be either one of the other that's a good question good
1:15:07point could be about that they needed to get out one year in advance before it
1:15:11could be could be I don't know that not so sure about I know I think it's sort
1:15:21of about CMI my guess is that it's sort of about setting your expectations for
1:15:27which one will cost more before you even turn them on that you can look at a five
1:15:33seed and a five a side by side while the screens are off and I think most people
1:15:37would be able to guess which one is more expensive than the other whereas my five
1:15:43ask the current five ass pick your favorite color versus the iPhone 6 this
1:15:494.75% sex I don't know that you'll be able to do that right if you you know if
1:15:56you just purely like bigger devices against you think this one is nicer but
1:15:59you know if you like smaller devices you might think that the 5 S's whereas if
1:16:05they put the 5s internals in 2005 see style plastic case then it sets that up
1:16:10or not that's good that's one of the things I'll be looking forward to next
1:16:14month or September I guess the BRIC countries know I'd I think that
1:16:20everybody said last year that they need to sell cheap iPhone for china because
1:16:24people in China per capita don't have a lot of money
1:16:29emerging markets emerging markets and I think I don't think Apple thinks there
1:16:35are such things as emerging markets I really don't think the way they approach
1:16:39it is that there's people who can afford my friends and people who can't you know
1:16:45and I don't mean to be you know but the fact that the average person in China
1:16:50maybe can't afford an iPhone 5 see you probably can't afford iPhone see let's
1:16:56face it doesn't mean that there aren't
1:16:58millions and millions of people in China who can because there's a billion people
1:17:03in China the other thing they did in the spring was sad and eight gigabyte iPhone
1:17:095 see ya that's a little weird I kind of had much to do with it I can't believe
1:17:19that the difference from Apple's perspective between eight and 16
1:17:22gigabytes is so much is enough to warrant that it seems my Israeli yeah
1:17:29yeah you know and a camera that can shoot high-definition and stuff it's
1:17:36like wow that's just seems really I mean I was looking I was looking at Amazon
1:17:41had a sale on Kindle Fire last week and was looking at them and think the price
1:17:47difference between the I think there was any gigabyte and a 16 gigabyte and the
1:17:51price difference between the two is like $20 and even then you go for you that's
1:17:55just just because you know the cost difference can I bennett lesson 20 bucks
1:17:59but you can't how can you price of $5 partner whatever yeah you know and I
1:18:06know RAM is the same way and that's another John Siracusa frequent complaint
1:18:11that Apple always short changes the devices on RAM in 05 I think I don't
1:18:19know whatever we have we we all wish we had more than one gigabyte of RAM and
1:18:23that's that sounds right and that it it comes back to bite in the long run at
1:18:32the tail end like when somebody with a four as upgrades 27 and it feels like
1:18:39their phones running slow yeah like the number one thing Apple can do that would
1:18:43make that better I you know he thinks and i i agree would be if if they had
1:18:49doubled the RAM all along like if every single iPhone ship may be excused the
1:18:55first generation one because it is crazy I can't believe this thing but it's like
1:19:01the last few years of I found it had more like they had gone to a gigabyte in
1:19:05the years when they had 512 megabytes and therefore these ones now that have a
1:19:09gigabyte had to gigabyte
1:19:11it would I think it would give them a lot more headroom down the road for like
1:19:16the last supported iOS update they're going to give ya cuz it's sort of a
1:19:22no-win situation for them where they cut them off earlier everybody like wow I
1:19:26just by the front two years ago an hour they don't get the software update but
1:19:29then they get the software update and it makes her phone cool slower because I am
1:19:33because it's optimized for the the brand new you know you know the first priority
1:19:39is to make it awesome on the top of the line iPhone which has more RAM than they
1:19:44get I know you have you get a limited dish in limited edition 256 gigabyte
1:19:51iPhone but my wife I believe that the 16
1:19:56we've been eating by on 16th so that the first iPhone 4 gigabytes iPhones
1:20:03we were speaking limited editions there was a real limited limited edition and
1:20:10and I use that for two years and towards the end it got really painful and I'm in
1:20:16the same place now 16 gigabytes
1:20:20can't do it anymore and I don't know I just look at some point they jump up I
1:20:26could I can
1:20:2732 I could definitely get by with 32 died after I don't think I am right now
1:20:32I think if I check I think it's somewhere in the forties my phone is
1:20:39fucked up to somewhere so I'm using upwards towards the 64 but I could do
1:20:44crap like yeah well that's out and that's I had a 32 gig 3G yes and it was
1:20:50just like you never came close but Italy during that time period I felt like I
1:20:56was looking up movies and stuff and I was watching us so I kept getting 16 gig
1:21:04phones after that and and now I finally got to the point where ok now I can get
1:21:08stuff on there you know all the stuff that I want that it really need on there
1:21:11I will I will point out before I take a final break for a third sponsor I will
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1:21:34board
1:21:35you know somebody casting
1:21:40somebody is sitting there listening and smiling as you cannot have it both
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1:22:01sure right right and I but i feel like im looking at new my wife's getting
1:22:08close to needing a new MacBook and I'm gonna be there probably next year in and
1:22:13I just can't sanction getting a for gigabyte for big gigabytes of memory
1:22:18anymore and a hundred and twenty eight gig drive now I think
1:22:22I don't know I gotta be more than that
1:22:25well for me as I gotta go eat 256
1:22:29you know I don't know it's like the modern web pages when you look in
1:22:34activity monitor and you see how each tab now it gets to show you how much RAM
1:22:39is using its like crazy not crazy but more than four gigabytes and it just
1:22:46seemed again we're getting old for gigabyte of RAM sounds like it still
1:22:51sounds to me magical its cuz it's the magical barrier where you need sixty
1:22:57four-bit processing for one process to address that much space and I knew about
1:23:02that limit but like you know in the nineties or even the 2008 just seemed
1:23:06like some beautiful shangri-la of the future would have that much
1:23:11meanwhile I'm paying for a megabyte memory chips with my last dollar load up
1:23:20an old girls see with sixteen megabytes of RAM and it just seems crazy than our
1:23:29saying I can I get by with for you but you know that's right some side some
1:23:35point I guess we'll be talking about
1:23:39our kids I will say this one last point about it though is that yes that's
1:23:46obviously there's some tension there between the profit margins and you know
1:23:50the RAM and flash storage every single device but on the other hand we do know
1:23:56that Tim Cook in particular and apples in this situation is very very fanatical
1:24:01about customer satisfaction and again I'm stripping John circus off your butt
1:24:07customer satisfaction is definitely tied to a ramen your device especially one or
1:24:14two years down the road so you know it's a multi take one of those three-way
1:24:20talks more like if there's one thing that maybe they did they would be
1:24:24willing to sacrifice a bit of long-term profit margin just a bit by bit of
1:24:29long-term profit margin for customer satisfaction seems like the tape the
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1:27:55but it's gotta go up sometime and I feel like we're close to an inflection and
1:28:06you can tell you really can take you so you know I hate to say it but the
1:28:10devices still are everything is always start yeah you know you know you don't
1:28:18see it as much as you used to switch from one app to another and then do
1:28:21another and then you go back to Safari and your tabs have to reload because he
1:28:25had to give up a DRAM and flash dolla tabs just remembers the URLs and now
1:28:30you're in the supermarket and crummy cellular reception area and now you've
1:28:37tapped as it happens you know where is if you had double the RAM
1:28:43tablet still be there cuz you loaded it before you went to the supermarket I do
1:28:47a lot of my reading in the supermarket is there something they do into building
1:28:50a supermarket that shields like cellular I don't know if I seems like every time
1:28:56I go to the supermarket to get I get a worse connection 100 most girls I don't
1:29:00know maybe it's those shelves that they use or something like that
1:29:04quince
1:29:07absorbing the not a scientist you're not a doctor and I'm gonna sign you know
1:29:22there's something I want to customer satisfaction
1:29:24talk about and yeah I mean end he mentions that he said customer set again
1:29:30this time but they beat that drum throughout that conference call every
1:29:36single yeah well I yeah and I think that they see it as a way of of trying to
1:29:45prove scientifically
1:29:47however my to customer satisfaction survey can be held up signs but it's
1:29:50certainly better than just empty words you know that people like Apple products
1:29:55on average better than other people like peeling
1:29:55on average better than other people like peeling
1:30:00products from other companies right which is a long-term advantage it's it's
1:30:05not it's a way of saying we're not in a commodity
1:30:08you know some big portion of these markets that were in laptop computers
1:30:14tablets cell phones is commodities market but we're we're operating is not
1:30:21a commodity market and that there's a sizable demand for the nine commoditized
1:30:27products at the high end of these markets do you see do you have a lot of
1:30:32people who are people you see with Kindle Fire's now I don't see many
1:30:37Kindle Fire's I don't that might be a seattle-area thing yeah I can always
1:30:42wonder if it's just it's more the area that live in but I see when I also see
1:30:46just like a lot of people buying them as cheap tablets for their kids like they
1:30:52fix I think they sometimes people think well they think that I should get
1:30:55cheapest one because it's just for the kid and then they also think that is
1:30:59probably just gonna drop it and yeah i dont wanna dropping an iPad and that's
1:31:03interesting I wonder how the decline in Europe year iPad sales already I mean
1:31:10already I mean like in the life of the product I i think part of it is that
1:31:15people when they get a tablet or see if they keep using it they use it a lot
1:31:18longer than they use cellphone and it's more like laptop in terms of replacement
1:31:24cycle yeah I guess so
1:31:26and and be maybe you know this is a case for the iPad has become too expensive
1:31:36that maybe I don't know how many of these other know who else is selling a
1:31:39lot of tablets but you know if if people are buying them like you said like four
1:31:43kids and stuff like that let's you know a great reason to buy a $250 device
1:31:48instead of a $500 advice if you're given it to a kid who you know
1:31:53i mean you know look at the way things like a DES are constructed right game
1:31:59voice you know they're greater made to be handled by children in ways that iPad
1:32:05or not and I don't you know I don't think I better particularly fragile for
1:32:09tablets but they do have a glass screen and they're not rugged right side are
1:32:15just more expensive don't more expensive to replace right and it's not like iPad
1:32:19sales of collapsed it's just a drop but you know it just seems worrisome at a
1:32:23time when I think most of us thought that they'd still be going up just
1:32:26because more people buying their first album yeah
1:32:30it's hard and I you know I always wanna hurt when I did I find it odd that not
1:32:38everybody else does but here's an interesting customer satisfaction
1:32:43angle and and it's a long term thing is that it's a belief and I i think thats
1:32:51applies at the consumer level and at an enterprise level thing but that Apple
1:33:00has long had the knock against it that they charge per to higher prices and
1:33:05that they you know they're greedy and that they make these obscene profits and
1:33:09they charge too much for everything and that their stuff is just too expensive
1:33:14right and and some you know there are sometimes in the late nineties early two
1:33:19thousands were like you know pound-for-pound maybe the Mac was more
1:33:23comfortable Mac was more expensive than comfortable PC but especially in the
1:33:28Intel Mac era you know that's a long ago been turned around where it's like
1:33:33there's been a lot of times you know to come to to get the same spec I remember
1:33:37in the Mac Pros came out last year the new ones I guess I was earlier this year
1:33:42you know people try to configure the same type of thing from Dell and it
1:33:46wasn't gonna come in a court case I the Mac Pro and it was way more expensive
1:33:49right and and laptops to like Wilshere Apple starting laptop price is $8.99 and
1:33:56you know there's a lot of companies that sell you know 299 399 PC laptops but to
1:34:01get the same specs it actually will cost more and you get a lesser build quality
1:34:05not really fair but people have that belief and I think that when they see
1:34:11little things they they're viewed through that prism and here's an example
1:34:16I was at a family thing couple of weeks ago and somebody
1:34:21somebody's barbecuing region compared you know and somebody had mentioned and
1:34:28it wasn't in the context of hey I know you you you write about Apple it was
1:34:33just people were talking about iPhones and had nothing to do with me being
1:34:36present I was just so fly on the wall wasn't you know complain to me about it
1:34:42but it was somebody a woman who is complaining because she still had an
1:34:48iPhone 4 or for us I don't know which one but had to 30 pin adapter thing but
1:34:52her husband had just gotten a new iPhone and his game at the lightning and
1:34:56lightning adapter and she was like why did they do that it's just you know and
1:35:02she and her her perspective is that they did it only to get them to buy a whole
1:35:06bunch of $29 lightning cable and that is a ripoff but her annoyance was real in
1:35:13terms of like now like a single charger in the kitchen doesn't work for both and
1:35:19it's a short-term problem I just kept my mouth shut
1:35:23people wonder like light what is John Gruber do in that situation you know
1:35:27what I do I just picked up my beer and I keep my mouth shut and look around and
1:35:33make sure that my dad doesn't do some stupid and be like what John knows
1:35:38everything about you know I'm like ready to bolt from the chair maybe go join the
1:35:44football game or something like that I do not want to get involved I dunno I
1:35:48can explain to you now you know that is you know if they don't do it then we're
1:35:55stuck with 30 pin adapter is forever and the 30 pin adapter was actually kinda
1:35:58gross it was a weirdly unhappily type port people complained about that
1:36:06adapter for years but it was weird and has served them when they retire and
1:36:12they replaced it with port that is much better in every way than 30 pin and much
1:36:17better in every way than micro USB it's dirty it's works up and down which is
1:36:24amazing and annoys me even more and I have to deal with USB stuff now
1:36:30and you know they can either make a port that better or they can never make a new
1:36:37port and apples ways to do something better and within a few years all the
1:36:41phones that are in use and all the iPad's erroneous will all be on
1:36:44lightning and nobody will have that problem but I do understand it tonight
1:36:47but she is you know didn't had never even entered into her the discussion the
1:36:52never even occurred to her that the lightning adapter on her husband's phone
1:36:56was better
1:36:57was better that's the thing that she completely clearly did not see is
1:37:01completely messed all she could see was that it was totally different totally
1:37:04incompatible and therefore obviously a money grab and the thing that I think
1:37:10hurts Apple in that regard I don't think that's even enters Apple's mind at all I
1:37:15think whatever profits I think they do make a nice profit on $29 lightning
1:37:19adapters are $19 whatever they saw him for but I don't I don't think materially
1:37:26the day they add up to you know any significance there
1:37:31right but I do think there's a customer satisfaction angle on their experience
1:37:37better right
1:37:38well but no but that it hurts it when you use a lightning adapter it does help
1:37:45your customer satisfaction and I think it you know the only device you have
1:37:49instead it then using it instead of micro USB is why Apple's gets better
1:37:54scores but I do think there's a negative thing where people think they did this
1:37:58just 22 practically steel $29 for me like I feel like maybe it they they
1:38:06should rethink their pricing policy on things like extra doctors and their
1:38:12margins for over again said it will hurt her problem but I feel like whatever
1:38:19damage it would do their profit margins to sell things like lightning adapters
1:38:24and you know everything that they sell for $29.50 you know really drop the
1:38:33price a lot of those things and sold them closer to cost the goodwill would
1:38:38be would be more valuable than whatever it would take to their profit margins is
1:38:43my theory now again there might be some guy at apple with a spreadsheet that
1:38:47says otherwise shaking his head right round the numbers you're wrong and he
1:38:54doesn't even have an office chair he just sits on the throne of hundred
1:38:57dollar bill
1:39:03billion dollars in cash that mountain of cash for the Joker set fire to it is
1:39:10just sitting atop their accountant count and lightning adapter is green eye shade
1:39:16things
1:39:17but I do I think people have this I notion that Apple is out
1:39:21out in nickel and iron and nickel and diming it's not quite nickel and diming
1:39:26like I do think people know that they don't you don't you know I think that's
1:39:31part of the reason people are switching to Max's that you don't open your Mac
1:39:34and getting tagged to buy antivirus and stuff like that
1:39:37you open the Mac and they don't ask you to buy anything else so it's not nickel
1:39:41and diming it's it's something else but that it's you know that they're they're
1:39:46looking for money and that the stuff is way too expensive and I think also its
1:39:53may be partly because they know who to blame you know the blame Apple whereas
1:39:56in the old days it was notorious that every brand of phone had a different
1:40:01custom adapter for power and that if you lost it got on my tears after going to
1:40:06the Verizon store eat into everybody's phone and show them your phone model to
1:40:11each model yet you can just keep saying I got a Nokia UDUB like yours might here
1:40:16is my phone you know and they'd be like oh you need the Xcel 47802 be $50 they
1:40:24were crazy expensive or if you wanted to do so you know you get one if you want
1:40:30to buy a second one so you can charge your phone where you know and keep your
1:40:33other one at home they were super expensive way more expensive than apples
1:40:37but I feel like when it's your carrier doing it you just don't even think to
1:40:40complain about it cuz you know they're gonna screw where is it I think people
1:40:44feel like Apple shouldn't be screwing we had a mean we had collected so many of
1:40:49those dock connector cord that I had him lying all over the house so you could
1:40:55you could power a phone anywhere and now we're
1:40:59at Al and a low point again until a build up my inventory and somebody the
1:41:04other night just like a friend who lives up the street so they wanted to borrow
1:41:09one of those cables for a week and they can have one of mine you got an extra
1:41:15one you can give him yours but I'm not part with any of mine I like him I like
1:41:23him that much I one more thing to hear the same Ryan block and yeah I can't I
1:41:40couldn't listen to it because it just those kinds of things make me cringe I
1:41:45haven't listened to about a million for the same reason
1:41:48yeah
1:41:49but
1:41:51yeah so Ryan block and Veronica Belmont to get married couple years ago and they
1:41:59decided to cancel their Comcast service veronica was on the phone is gonna
1:42:07that's doing one for the team is calling you know that's that's one of those
1:42:11things where where when you're a couple when one of you decide I'll call Comcast
1:42:16you know you you don't have to do the dishes and I and she called just to say
1:42:24we want to cancel Comcast sir I don't know it doesn't matter I guarantee
1:42:27replacing it with FiOS or something like that but number one you know that they
1:42:32pose to know what they're doing
1:42:36co-founder of Engadget and a host of like more tech TV shows than anybody I
1:42:44know probably are making an informed decision to cancel Comcast and she just
1:42:50couldn't couldn't get the guide to cancel their service and then had to
1:42:55hand the phone over to Ryan and he started recording a call and it's just
1:42:58absurd I mean if you can take things like this usually happens you should
1:43:02just google Ryan block Veronica Belmont cancel Comcast went viral as this absurd
1:43:11the guides the guy was like why do you want slower internet and why won't you
1:43:18just cancel my service is trying to understand why you want to get slower
1:43:23internet I'm trying to understand why you won't cancel my service and it went
1:43:33on and on like 10 minutes long and end the thing that's great is it went viral
1:43:36and that is the gradual like addresses like Comcast Chief Operating Officer had
1:43:43to address it and say that it was painful to listen to this call I'm not
1:43:47surprised that we have been criticized respecting our customers is fundamental
1:43:52and we fell short this instance I know these retention cause I guess it's an
1:43:57internal memo
1:43:57public distribution is retention calls her tough and I have tremendous
1:44:02admiration for a retention professionals make it easy for customers to choose to
1:44:07stay with Comcast that's so it's actually a number of states
1:44:14forget where I read it probably the Verger someplace but didn't wrote about
1:44:19the economics behind people's jobs and basically the whole incentive
1:44:25compensation packages wrapped up in the number of people that they can convince
1:44:29to stay you know I thought that I just bought it from listening to the part of
1:44:34the caller heard that the guy was into it enough
1:44:36was clearly not just get an hour you know salary was he was invested it was a
1:44:43car salesman reversal like it's like a car salesmen
1:44:49like they're selling it all over again but it's weird because it's like and car
1:44:53salesmen I'm sure you know famous famously shady operators and then all
1:44:59sorts of tricks but it's like and I'm sure they take advantage of some people
1:45:04who come in naive or who are timid you know tough guys right but it's like if
1:45:15we were in a car dealer you and I are going out to buy a convertible to spend
1:45:19the summer road trip and we're gonna buy convertibles you and I go in and we
1:45:24don't like over here and we start walking out the door and the guy tries
1:45:27to keep us from looking at the door we're still walking out the door right
1:45:30you can just walk you know shade is a car dealers dealer can be you know you
1:45:35can just keep your feet and eventually you are out the door and you're not
1:45:38listening whereas if you are already hooked up that's the thing you're hooked
1:45:43up to auto bill Comcast $100 a month and even if you call your credit card and
1:45:49they don't pay them they're gonna put your account collection until they
1:45:53officially disconnect you
1:45:55your you signed a thing that you're sending them $100 or $150 a month you
1:46:00need them to do this and if they won't do it what what can you do this is such
1:46:06rotten double-speak and Jackie Chan had posted on Twitter that a reminder that
1:46:11and I forget the names of these services but those services that are you get
1:46:14people to do a task 300 yeah yeah you can you can actually call that was so if
1:46:27you don't want to sit on the phone with you know and it just ties right in with
1:46:32me Lincoln to the George Orwell politics and the English language to make it easy
1:46:39for customers to choose to stay with Comcast if that's not the most rotten
1:46:46doublespeak I've ever heard that is so much more evil than if he just flat out
1:46:53said to make it difficult for customers just right is it is exactly it is likes
1:47:06likes 3+3 on one side and six on the other is to make it difficult for
1:47:12customers to leave contest we have
1:47:19I do I live in Comcast country cable 10 and literally our Skype call is getting
1:47:28Creek I swear to god you can't make this up here starting this year
1:47:40I you know pat myself on the back because we have city provided
1:47:52internet service and so
1:47:55and I have to use what I do for a land line we in philadelphia have a Comcast
1:48:03provided city they literally they have the tallest skyscraper in philadelphia
1:48:12is the Comcast Center they have just bought a plot of land a block away and
1:48:16they're going to build a new tallest skyscraper your Internet should be super
1:48:23fast thanks to them building to a completely non disconnect double
1:48:31anyway but a run run run company cases this is terrible and that's it for me
1:48:41for this week though I think I did you did you talk about Microsoft laughs no i
1:48:47didnt yeah we could do that yeah homes 18,000 people over the next year but 12
1:48:55although most don't count from new Kia now I dunno I'd hate to make jokes about
1:49:04Finland I don't wanna make jokes about last because you know there's gotta be
1:49:08somebody who's listening to the shows one of them so you know I've lost jobs
1:49:14it's not fun I tried to get laid off for years it didn't work it never happens to
1:49:24the people want to know the people deserve it
1:49:27like we're gonna have some layouts here's the list and then what about
1:49:34buyouts maybe get up to early retirements they knew I was ya hides you
1:49:48know kinda sad you know yeah you know the kind of needed as a business people
1:49:55know and it's you know it's humbling because I think it's not that many years
1:50:03ago when the idea of a Microsoft layoff
1:50:06unthinkable yeah you know and it's a reminder you know a wake up call
1:50:11everybody else you know for companies like Google and Apple and Amazon who are
1:50:16you know the big tech companies of the last decade have never had a laugh that
1:50:23you know you happen to Microsoft miracle happen anybody had layoffs but never
1:50:27like a mass layoff and it hasn't been not a modern ya ya gotta be careful
1:50:36about getting fat
1:50:38did you read Ben Thompson species on breaking Microsoft up yeah it was a good
1:50:51piece
1:50:52and i think is gonna happen no I don't think so either because I think it would
1:50:58of if that was on the table it would have happened instead of this would have
1:51:02happened may be coincident with Satya Nadella taking over you know i mean
1:51:08that's an alternate universe where that what do they do post bomber maybe his
1:51:13break it up you know whereas now I don't I don't think that they would do that I
1:51:18don't know that that is so just to recap his theory as idea is that Microsoft is
1:51:24turning into a services company so that the hardware and operating system parts
1:51:28should be
1:51:30put into a different company and
1:51:33run separately yeah it does make sense in oh and there's a certain there's a
1:51:38certain what's the word it it just doesn't make sense they're at odds with
1:51:44each other where there's a part of Microsoft that sees it as a company that
1:51:47provides software 20 ends and now there's a part of the company that sees
1:51:50itself as a friend and that's just not compatible and they can kind of yadda
1:51:56yadda yadda to make it seem like it's compatible because the revenue and
1:52:01profits are still coming in but it just does it have a common sense level it
1:52:05just doesn't make sense that they can be providing these software companies to
1:52:09make mobile devices and they're gonna make their own mobile devices without
1:52:14favoring you know and everybody is trying to it never works you know so
1:52:18Google you know it's provides offered OM's with Android and they make their
1:52:22own Android devices but very few people use Google's Android devices they've
1:52:26never really taken off you know and it's like the Nexus in some alternate world
1:52:30where the Nexus phones are huge hits that you know Samsung isn't going to be
1:52:36using Android yeah it does its work you know in like go back to the nineties
1:52:43when Apple licensed the mac OS it you know just doesn't it didn't work
1:52:50yeah so it's an interesting idea but
1:52:53I just there's too much institutional
1:52:56did you get rid of Windows now I think you know and I don't think it needs
1:53:02Windows could be run as his own division but I think that they should stop
1:53:06thinking of the Windows division as anything other than legacy just let it
1:53:09be what it is and its PC operating system in an ever shrinking market but
1:53:13that is huge and is probably going to level off like the shrinkage me know if
1:53:18I just said you then IDC for this past quarter is at the PC market shrank 2
1:53:22percent year over year it seems like maybe the bleeding is over you know I
1:53:25think it's gonna keep doing Ling and its gonna keep dwindling in terms of the
1:53:30overall pie chart of computing devices because it's not just that smart phones
1:53:35and tablets are replacing pieces that were adding multiple devices that are
1:53:40used to be and that the share of them that are traditional PCs is getting
1:53:48smaller
1:53:48in addition to the fact that people are buying fewer actual unit of here but you
1:53:54know and I think that's the problem
1:53:55the whole basic problem with Windows 8 is trying to make this you know trying
1:53:59to please two groups that want whereas if they just made a Windows 8 that was a
1:54:032007 here if you have a traditional laptop or a desktop PC here you go
1:54:10here's a new version of Windows better than ever and we've got another entirely
1:54:14new operating system
1:54:17yeah
1:54:18but it's weird now it's weird you know their butts his telescope memo was about
1:54:24you know we're now company that helps people get things done
1:54:28and they still have all this entertainment yeah stuff next they did
1:54:34next making TV shows
1:54:36yeah they've always has don't they still have the Xbox which does not fit into
1:54:41them and it all and I think you know I've had that thought too I've tossed
1:54:46out ideas like Netflix commissions TV shows why doesn't Apple Commission TV
1:54:51shows for Apple TV and have no new Kevin Spacey show that only on Apple TV but
1:54:56you know what their that way lies lack of focus I'm not saying Apple would
1:55:00never do that particular thing but you know they certainly can't do all of them
1:55:04you know making making TV shows was never with Microsoft is good that I have
1:55:12always found that this whole thing that these companies think that they need to
1:55:16do everything to be
1:55:18counterproductive but yeah well I do think that there's always seem that way
1:55:25to me like I was crazy in the nineties when on Microsoft started jointly with
1:55:30NBC that MSNBC so what do you do me why would you make a CNN competitor your
1:55:37Microsoft you know you know me I can see why somebody would want to make and CNN
1:55:42competitor right
1:55:43multiple people would but why would Microsoft why you know why do you feel
1:55:46like you need everything including a news channel and and you know in the
1:55:51whole thing you know now working out that I mean MSNBC define network but
1:55:57damage and Microsoft Masson in MS NBC hasn't dude reminders of that forever
1:56:07very strange we should kick sorry for us to buy microsoft I did see that there
1:56:14you know that their stocks they did quarterly results today to an aid they
1:56:19missed but only missed because of Nokia Nokia division did a little bit worse
1:56:24than expected and the stock market reacted with no reaction whatsoever
1:56:29which i think is right I don't think anybody should have been surprised by
1:56:33that right I think common sense prevails and I know before we started recording
1:56:36it looked like after hours Apple was about even to I don't know if it's all
1:56:40true but that's always kind that's getting weird like having having the
1:56:45stock market not panic after hours
1:56:48yeah it seems like that the whole whole thing is kinda turned a bit yeah same
1:56:57they seem to be a little bit more happy with what's going on display
1:57:02yeah I mean the usual the usual suspects are still being jerks but looks like
1:57:06it's nice and even taken around 94 bucks you know has been Thompson who is on the
1:57:16show the couple weeks ago and I thought you made a very keen observation I've
1:57:19never really heard before which is that the stock market rule rewards they got
1:57:25feeling that even if you screw up you being accompanied their their evaluation
1:57:30process even if you screw up you'll still be in business and that that's
1:57:35where Apple got her for years and years where there's just a word used to be
1:57:39this consensus that Apple is always on the precipice and one slip away from you
1:57:46know the whole house of cards falling under and I feel like they've you know
1:57:51none of these dire things have happened like margins collapsing of whatever
1:57:55everybody sort of gotten the idea that Apple could screw up you know like they
1:57:58could release and iPhone 6 that is not that popular and they are not going to
1:58:02go under you know they could have the next I you know the next Mac you come
1:58:07out and you know will be good would be good news but it's not going to you know
1:58:13it's a house of cards it's gonna fall down to study foundation and only take
1:58:18them
1:58:18thirty-five years to slow learners
1:58:25all right john wants thank you for joining me people can find to get more
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1:59:06tongue like feeling like a seal NOK case and they can get their Twitter you're
1:59:14right we should do I wish I wish that I could specify for certain I messaged
1:59:24users that just used the last message I was gonna be late for the show it as
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