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86: ‘Diddling Your Feeds’, With Dave Wiskus

 

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00:13:27   0 ever to use the actual phone or text messaging with a temporary SIM card all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/807">TS</a>]

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00:13:55   have a phone number they get it says it like when you go into your settings to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/835">TS</a>]

00:13:59   deal with you know whatever carrier is that you have it tells you a phone or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/839">TS</a>]

00:14:03   SIM card for an iPad has a phone number but I don't think you can ever received [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/843">TS</a>]

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00:14:13   a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/853">TS</a>]

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00:14:23   into iPad load and this use of this sim card only for data there's also an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/863">TS</a>]

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00:16:25   than it is for each show to book their own sponsorships really what it came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/985">TS</a>]

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00:18:38   the good stuff and this is the thing and I have heard this before but it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1118">TS</a>]

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00:18:50   face I don't know how can i buy these things over the internet and get a pair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:55   of glasses that are gonna look good on me because you know you might see a pair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:58   on web pages and what that looks cool but you don't have a good idea well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:02   they've got a couple of things they've got like a webcam type thing where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:06   can and it works pretty amazingly well we just snap a picture of yourself in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:11   front of the webcam and then they they measure the stuff like your nose in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:15   distance and you pick a pair of glasses and they like you know imposing over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1155">TS</a>]

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00:19:31   without prescription lenses trying to get a nice little box open it up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1171">TS</a>]

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00:19:44   like one of them you can just order right there say this is the one I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1184">TS</a>]

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00:19:52   already label send it right back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1192">TS</a>]

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00:20:09   a couple days later they are with her prescription lenses couldn't be easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1209">TS</a>]

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00:20:48   they were mentioned though at some point like a year ago they were mentioned as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:53   partner that was helping to protect by you know stylized class I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:59   that fell through or if it still could be the last week they key after a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:04   drummer who was it it's some fashion brand that I don't recall off the top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:10   my head that they did release a bunch of designer frames for Google glass I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:22   remember Diane something that's that's close enough and you know they just look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:34   really really like Google did everything wrong with you can do it right i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:40   when you have like a two inch by one inch battery pack behind her right ear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:45   you know there's not much you can do it looks like you wanna go to last we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:50   a hearing problem I guess I would argue that I hope the grass always looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:56   Google glass so I can spot it you know what that's too complicated and talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1316">TS</a>]

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00:22:21   thought about as a kid as you could put head-up display in front of your eyes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:25   real life and it's you know in the grand scheme of things pretty small and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:31   real-world practical use it's nowhere near small enough to be unnoticeable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1351">TS</a>]

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00:22:44   you can make a pair of glass that doesn't look different from a pair of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1364">TS</a>]

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00:22:55   cameras have gotten i mean the camera seems like it'd probably be easier part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1375">TS</a>]

00:23:01   to make indistinguishable to somehow hide in the frame of the glasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:07   really comes down to the battery even the heads of the display part there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1387">TS</a>]

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00:23:31   figure out a way to make it so that it's it's integrated in the lands as opposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1411">TS</a>]

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00:26:00   maybe its emergency but if it's just my dad calling I mean why would I take that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1560">TS</a>]

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00:26:09   when they're in the passenger seat of a car I have ever seen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1569">TS</a>]

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00:26:26   you know it's like a table for four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:28   restaurant and somebody just answers random starts talking it seems very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:33   strange to view larger baseball game at dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:39   yeah but I don't turn the volume up you don't you don't think there's a similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:44   sort of thing happening there were there is no there's the the rudeness of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:48   causing noise disturb other people and then there's the how how engaged are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:53   with the people around you as I can criticizing use its point taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:58   you know it's probably not the most played 10 that I do I don't do it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:02   the time ya know then that i think is really that different from somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:06   checking Twitter at the table or whatever it's it's it's it's all on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:10   spectrum and then way and if you went back and talked about it go back twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:15   thirty years it all seems pretty rude and you know that the devices are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:22   driving more attention than other people around us at the baseball thing it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:28   comical example of something that we all do well I'll check your phone even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:31   it's just a my my phone buzzed in my pocket no excuse myself for my most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:36   polite I'm still ignoring somebody for a minute yeah and we're all a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:41   hypocritical about it where the things that we love most about waterfront lez [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:45   do we think are ok and the things we don't care about our route so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:49   like talking on the phone I don't get many phone calls so I'll blather on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:52   about how rude it is that people talk on the phone but I love watching Yankees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:56   and so you know I think being able to watch the Yankees game while I is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1676">TS</a>]

00:28:00   amazing technology so I admit that but I admit I have the self-awareness to admit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:05   that I'm being a hypocrite to present it that way I wish that Verizon would give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:10   me 20 minutes plan thirty minutes but I use about 35 minutes a month I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:16   happily pay less I don't even know what we get we use a lot we've shared pool in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:21   Amite speaks on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:22   but we don't think we coming close to using all the minutes I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:28   we're at the point even know even if he uses her phone even close to using any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:35   you know what they gave us the crazy based on measurement yeah like AOL yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:40   I mean does anybody is there anybody who needs like extra minutes I guess are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:44   some people who have a job that they're really truly on the phone all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:47   real estate agent or something like that you know that some jobs you really are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:53   on your cell phone making phone calls all day every day but I don't know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:58   have to pay extra for that it just seems like everybody has unlimited plans some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:03   people have the $100 just for the phone part of it or something but you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:09   effectively or literally unlimited talk time it why not make that the standard I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:15   don't know maybe just a holdover from the fact that they're kind of a there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:20   their moving into just being a dumb carrier at this point speaking of rude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:25   and callous behavior to see this thing you had to see it came out over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:30   weekend that Facebook had been running a psychological experiment where they took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:36   a 600,000 700,000 users and half of them they randomly tried to algorithmically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:43   make their feed a little happier and the other half they tried to make it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:47   little sadder and then tried to measure with like certain keywords like through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:55   for the remainder of the week were the things that those people those two pools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1795">TS</a>]

00:30:00   posted a little did indicated they were in better or worse moods and the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:05   was yes that actually did seem to have some sort of effect on their mood that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:09   the people whose bid was to make them happier seem to be happier and then 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:14   hurdled to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:18   and I guess I i mean this in turn I got some feedback on Twitter and an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:26   from people saying that it's it's not helpful for me to say I'm I did Justin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:32   my responses I'm surprised that people are surprised and I'm with you on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:35   because this is what Facebook does so for example compare and contrast to if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:39   the same thing had been announced about twitter twitter is screwy company and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:45   don't quite get their strategy I think that the people who run Twitter are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:49   very good at Twitter or they're not very good at seeing what Twitter is good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:52   but if this had come out about Twitter I would have been very I would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:57   surprised because it doesn't sound like something Twitter would do and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1857">TS</a>]

00:31:01   have been surprised and I think it would have been appalled you know I would but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:05   it would seem out of character for Twitter incorporated to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:08   like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   whereas that bad to me is my point my point isn't to be so cynical is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:16   assume that all companies are doing stuff like that nobody should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:19   outraged about Facebook here because this is what they do what i'm saying is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:22   open your eyes this is what Facebook does time and time again and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:26   that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:26   distinction I think the Twitter it would not surprise me if we found out they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:33   were doing things with your night with your stream but evaluating your stream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:38   for advertising might even do that now I don't know but anything anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:41   that they get a googly sort of way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:44   looking at your stuff and then using that to decide what other stuff they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:47   show you I by that I don't be offended by that but trying to manipulate me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:52   emotionally I don't know though maybe and I people you know I don't want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:57   too callous about it and I think it clearly shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:00   makes Facebook as a corporation come across as incredibly cows it's really no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:08   doubt about it but some people like it sounds like you're one of them really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:12   feel like anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:14   related to attempting to manipulate people's emotions is just crossing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:19   sort of at the goal line that that should not be crossed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:22   whereas I would say isn't every advertisement in an attempt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:26   manipulate people emotionally I i agree with that and I would say that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:31   the it's not that they're trying to manipulate me emotionally it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:35   they're willing to manipulate me emotionally in a negative way if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:40   if they're all true my timeline to try to make me happier if it works great if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:43   they're true my timeline to try to make me sad that's not okay yeah but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:48   can't do the science without having like a control group I'm not trying to defend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:55   it I'm just saying I can kind of see their perspective if your gonna be sick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:59   bastards see to me the part that defensive is is is not that they tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:04   to make some sadness I'm happy it I I don't think that they tried to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:09   rupaul suicide I haven't read enough details I would like to i'd be curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:13   to see if you were in one of the two groups what the difference would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:18   here's what you're for example users feed would've looked like if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:23   weren't chosen for it at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:25   well they probably do things like if you're if you're single they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:29   show you lots of posts of people getting married and having babies and so can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:36   make you feel better relationship emphasize other peoples relationships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:40   are some things out and exactly but I'm curious I haven't seen a lot of details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:45   about exactly how they did the manipulation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:48   the guy who did it just wrote a response I haven't read it yet but apparently I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:52   mean he's gone on record as saying here's here's why we did we did it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:56   it there's a certain tone deafness to them that they that they seem to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2036">TS</a>]

00:34:01   surprised there are people reacting this way because it's not like this was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:08   secret internal project that had a whistleblower leaked it on paper they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:14   published in a real scientific journal you know they published it they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:18   proud of the science behind in their minds that people would be grossed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:23   by the raid that that this might be something they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   wouldn't want to tell people that they're doing like there is obviously a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:28   very strange culture their Facebook that it never even occurred to them that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:32   people might be offended by this I mean a/b testing with people's mental health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:38   that's the kind of thing that I don't know me if if they like to opt in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:44   here's a new program we're doing well you did but that's what they're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:47   is that everybody every single user of Facebook has opted-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:50   in that if you read their privacy statement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:54   that there is you know clearly you know there's an some people have even called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:58   it out there is even you know I did even specifically says that some about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:03   research you know who reads that nobody cuz it's ok and it is super long and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:09   they probably show it to you in like six point type but it is there and that part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:13   of the argument is that everybody has hasn't coached you know he can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:19   imagine Apple doing something like that and saying well if you would have read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:21   that iTunes update agreement that was all there but I think the the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:27   upsetting part to me it's like as a designer I think to myself though the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:32   way the part of why I think that would never do something like this is Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:36   you're seeing the stream and the value is in having all of that data the value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:41   to you like there's an expectation that all of the tweets are gonna be there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:45   Facebook's approaches you're not you're not a Facebook user so I guess you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:48   get to see this have to happen I'm really anxious to sign up now but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:54   do a thing where they don't show you a timeline they show you it's kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:58   timeline but they order it however they want right and so when you when you open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:02   the Facebook app on your phone it pushes you to the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:05   it's going to go top or it leaves you in the same spot you would like a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:10   Jackie tap here to load more kind of a thing but I go to the top like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:14   no rhyme or reason to why the things are ordered the way they are they do it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:18   thing is the top isn't the newest thing and it doesn't even seem to be the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:21   important to most interesting and and my guess is that the manipulation is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:26   right and maybe they make things that they their algorithm says hey this seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:32   like something is going to make Dave feel good you know I don't know somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:38   like a friend who is on vacation in this algorithm likely looks like happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:43   photograph was gonna make Dave feel good blood put the photograph radio at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:47   top you know yet and it bothers me that they would make editorial decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:53   about what I do and do not see when I have intentionally befriended or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:57   followed all of these people would suggest that my behavior was suggested I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2217">TS</a>]

00:37:01   wanna see all of those things like meet you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:03   and it does seem III and I do think I think maybe that's the core of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:09   really rubbed people the wrong way here maybe is gonna give this scandal some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:13   legs maybe is is the fact that they tried to make people feel that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:18   mentioned that specifically right it would be different too if what they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:22   was if they tried three different algorithms to make people feel better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:26   about themselves and group a workgroup be it didn't see it actually had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:32   detrimental effect and made rights groups feel bad they didn't try to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:38   but it ends up that if you only show them pictures of such and such that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:45   actually makes them feel bad and you can you imagine the headlines there's also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:48   Facebook and make you happier right as opposed to the fact that they set out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:53   me to make people feel some some group of people feel a little worse Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:58   intentionally one in some part of its user base to be less happy than the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:03   that that's part of what would make what four years has kept me from using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:07   facebook like even wanting to sign up is that I just don't get it i dont get what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:12   in the field whereas I i especially old Twitter like but unlike the Twitter they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:18   still mostly get through third-party clients is I know exactly what's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:24   be in my feed its the tweet from the people I've chosen to follow ordered in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:31   the order that they've sent them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33   chronological list of tweets from people who I have decided to follow and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:39   it in my mentioned dream people who typed at River in the order that they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:46   sent those tweets talked about and I know exactly what that is and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:50   what they're going to look like and it's it's theirs I can integrity to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:53   whereas to me that this the Facebook what it would you call it the feed feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:59   him there's no integrity to it if if it's arbitrarily you know ordered in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:06   I don't get it that it to me it seems like why would i SAT there and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:14   there's an inner circle you see in me that once I just want to know the rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:20   right I want to know the rules for what this is going to be yeah exactly that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:24   my biggest complaint as a Facebook user right I mean I guess I have a complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:28   my biggest is that I just don't know what i'm looking at I like my email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:31   inbox I know exactly what it is somebody knows my email address type in the email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:35   to that address and they've sent it and then it comes in and my mail client will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:40   display those messages chronological order giving Facebook does like that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:45   they they surely this list of people you may know and I get a lecture one out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:49   two hundred I actually now I don't know who it is too close to it and does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:53   for me and it's actually pretty remarkable because I like and I see it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:58   lot like when I'm checking the daring fireball account is the daring fireball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:01   account doesn't follow anybody and they'll say hey maybe you want to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:05   following people how about these people be like Amy Krueger Brent Simmons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:10   you know yeah exactly that's actually pretty good to get those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:18   yeah I need to take a spider and thank our second puncher and we'll move on we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:26   get to the real part of the show I want to thank our good friends at transporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:32   that's the company name is connected data they've responded to show before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:36   basic idea you buy a little bit hardware from them to call the transporter set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:45   a home network install a little bit of software on your Mac and all of a sudden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:51   you've got effectively your own little private Dropbox folder on your Mac put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:56   files in the folder they get synced to the transporter little device with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2456">TS</a>]

00:41:01   stories on it in your house now here's where it gets more interesting it's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:05   stored on the transporter there is no cloud storage the cloud is only use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:11   add for negotiating from your network in other words bridging through your home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:19   router and stuff like that the actual data storage is only written to disk on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:24   your device you can buy more than one device you can have one at your home or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:29   office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:30   one in two different locations and they come up to the same account and they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:35   do exactly what you think they'll do just sink together and both be complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:39   copies of each other so you can find other transport users and you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:44   things like setup shared folders and say here's a folder on my transporter share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:48   it with Dave whiskas and now we both have access to that folder and we both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:52   know here's where the datastore destroyed on my transporter and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:57   transporter because their shared folders between us and that's a big big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2517">TS</a>]

00:42:01   difference between sharing stuff in the cloud and for some people a lot of you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:05   know this I've heard of people who listen to the show for legal reasons a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:08   lot of people people work in the medical industry and I'm sure other places where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:12   there's NDA's and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:14   you legally are not allowed to share certain data on devices were you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:19   have complete control over the device you can't put things on something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:23   iCloud or Dropbox because its legal implications as to where you can store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:27   the data really works great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:31   really really different from the cloud storage applications so if you need that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:37   for you want it just for the privacy implications of it even just for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:40   own personal privacy there's nothing else like it on the market they have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:46   main ways to go about it the regular transporter models come with your choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:52   500 gigabyte one terabyte two terabyte capacities you can go they use this code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:58   TTS 10 pts the talk show 10 and you'll save 10% off your purchase of any one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:05   those devices up to 35 bucks go to File transporter store.com filed transporter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:11   store.com and you can buy one the other thing you can do though is you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:16   provide your own USB Drive any USB Drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:19   and you can buy it more like a little puck durable little thing called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:24   transporter sink and it's the same functionality exact same functionality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:29   but you just pick your own USB hard drives you maybe even have a USB hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:35   drive sitting around her office that you can already use you can save 20 bucks on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:40   one of those costs a lot less forget about percentages just save 20 bucks use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:44   this code TTS 20 all orders using those two coats TTS 10 TTS 20 get free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:52   shipping and no lasting here's a lasting are you wondering if transporters rape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:57   you here's the thing by one start using it and for 30 days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2637">TS</a>]

00:44:02   completely risk-free satisfaction guarantee so use those codes pts 10 TDS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:08   2002 file transporter store.com check it out by the one you want you have 30 days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:14   you don't like it just send it right back to my thanks to transport by one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:22   and just stick it in a corner an Apple store not tell anybody that the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:28   made a different one day long on how long that lasts about know about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:32   there's a sort of about it wouldn't last bit past the end of the day I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:38   they do a sweep yeah because they have to clean up all the machines nonstop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:42   basis i mean i i think that there's a checklist procedure they go through to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:46   make each one like store closes at seven by by eight o'clock it's back in mint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:51   condition do you think that when they close down an Apple store before they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:54   open up the Apple store and I mean like permanently morning and evening do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:58   think they wipe down the the devices yeah I mean I mean physically I do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2698">TS</a>]

00:45:03   found they clean up the fingerprints for the day I think they do it throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:08   the day would be better I've never seen them do it now while I think that's part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:12   of the magic you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:14   I think they've got like at disney world they've got like things were said I call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:19   in a trash around the park they just likes sucking through holes in florida [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:23   go into the underground tunnels so they don't have to see the trash being that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:26   it's a nice touch base of the main reasons I actually wanted to run the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:30   show is the one big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:33   from the BBC that's left on my things i wanna talk or write about that I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:38   talked or written about is Yosemite and a new design of Yosemite and you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:45   thought to have you on the show because you and I are in fact collaborating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:48   working on a Mac at the summer so we're sort of in the middle of it now wow what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:57   a month in month out for weeks since from WC yeah yeah yeah yeah I guess it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2757">TS</a>]

00:46:06   was the second so it's 4 weeks are you using yosemite daily no I tried in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:18   is some kind of bug with the upgrades have got to have a second partition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:21   setup that's running a clean install of Use Somebody and that was running great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:25   I decided okay maybe all my stuff works everything should be fine I'm installed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:31   on my main partition and I did and it was a nightmare and things were things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:36   were broken and I don't mean nightmare like there are some bugs and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:39   crashed I mean like finder wouldn't watch yeah if I wanted to open a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:44   had to do it through Terminal and that took 45 seconds to load so I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:50   announce back and forth they need to look at you I stuff I need to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:53   evaluate the way they're doing a thing for the big day today I'm still running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2813">TS</a>]

00:47:00   Mavericks it i got really excited about it cause for a couple of days it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:05   so stable that I thought hey I think I can switch full-time quickly maybe like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:11   what the next beta and then I ran into a thing where I could not log into my main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:17   account that I just created I could use a Guest account and then from the guest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:21   account on terminal I could like use sudo with my admin account but there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:26   nothing I can do to log into the admin account and and then it fixed itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:31   somehow but it was scary enough that we could always do a backup and then run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:39   the upgrade for a week and if you don't like it switchback yeah I think I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:42   probably switch on the next page and at least I still have a machine here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:49   running my old install of Mavericks and with everything on it but everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:53   so much thinks it's so much easier to to to use multiple Macs now with iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:58   syncing services that it's it's not like the old days where it was really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:04   you just driving not because there's violence on the other machine and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:10   still can't do it I can't get my head around it and that might just be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:13   time to use to doing things the old way of running on two machines yeah I can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:18   have to have one Mac if I have to then I cloud in Dropbox make it better but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:24   there's like still preferences per machine I forget about the other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:29   is that I don't think it is imperative to be using it on a daily basis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:34   design wise because I don't think it's that radical design you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:40   month to month has gone on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:41   I'm happy with it almost completely apart some unhappy with I don't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:46   that big a deal where would you happy with where we can do about that okay but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:52   I don't like that we can come back to that in a second but I don't feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:58   it's fundamentally change the way design a good backup it's a new you know it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:04   almost is only skin deep and I don't mean that as a complaint I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:09   speaks to you know if it's not broke don't fix it and try to you know what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:18   means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:18   as opposed to iOS 7 which i think was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:23   significantly more radical change in that you really needed to be using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:28   iOS 7 pages on a daily basis to get a feel for how it should should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:35   designed for Iowa seven last summer yet there is all the rumors leading up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:40   WTC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:42   1010 is going to be a pretty dramatic makeover it's going to be very Iowa 7 as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:47   we kept very I was seven and we saw I was taken aback at how not Iowa said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:51   was yeah I agree with that they look related but they look like siblings in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:58   other way that would sometimes you meet you know brother and a sister to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:04   look alike but not like in a freaky way you know who is also playing to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:09   own strengths yeah it feels like a very measured you know I maybe would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:13   been a bigger surprise if there were no I was seven I think that I was 7 soften [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:17   the blow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:18   maybe but I remember you and I talking about this when we were sort of trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:22   to guess what you know somebody might look like the one thing we kept looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:25   at hand and in some ways it was a true that would be kind of cool but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:28   there are in other ways we were both like gritting our teeth like who this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:34   could be bad is the iCloud web apps yeah right so when you go to iCloud dot com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:40   on a Mac or Windows I guess but you get like you know you're using a mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:45   pointer using a track pattern mouse and physical keyboard or not touching the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:49   screen but it looks really I less Sevigny yeah but in a good way in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:56   measured way where it does it's not I don't know if you're looking at the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3056">TS</a>]

00:51:01   at ups.com stuff it felt like a sort of a happy medium but you could you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:07   start to get a sense of how they would solve some of these windowing problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:11   caused an iOS you don't you never have to absolutely the same time you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:16   have to worry about one thing sitting in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:17   another thing whereas on a Mac you always have that problem and it seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:21   like they were trying to hint at will we still have shadows were still treat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:25   these things as individual structures on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:30   yeah but I think that that's why I'm looking at it now looking at iCloud mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:35   and it looks way more like an iPad app then America and 200 yeah what's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:41   the further you get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:42   yeah I guess what I'm looking at is the things like if you go into contacts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:48   you click to delete somebody it it feels it spits iOS 7 a.m. but it you you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:53   start to see the hinting like the way the window alert thing comes up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:57   information the way comes up in the weights on the screen that to me he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3117">TS</a>]

00:52:02   answered what we wind up getting your somebody more than it feels like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:06   direct translation of anything from iOS yeah well and the other thing the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:13   difference to shoot is that iOS not I was the iCloud interface doesn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:19   lot of like a lot of the buttons don't really have strong top-down States press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:24   and states the best way to call I was down but pressed state you know sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:31   like iOS whereas yosemite does he feel pretty good cause that's that's been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:35   thing for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:36   buttons that look like buttons has been my obsession and to me or somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:40   doesn't change at all like buttons all look like buttons in a way that I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:43   really hope that I have to wait for nine now but I hope that I was nine takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:48   some cues from that yeah there's such a weird place to to go from here but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:56   the Google stuff kind of its showing them if you there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3176">TS</a>]

00:53:02   the material you either well finish your point but let's come back to that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:07   right it's to me is kind of a hint of in an alternate universe what I S nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:14   might add rection that it could go in where it's a little bit more shadowy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:18   it's a little like a return not to scream or visit them but some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:22   happy point between super flat and allowing the easy access to mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:28   something I could see that the the right leg from to come back to some from five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:37   minute ago the one that one of the things I like about you somebody's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:40   don't like if you have a dialogue box with canceling ok puns the OK button is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:46   already blue with white text but that the tap downstate for the cancel button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:52   so if you press the cancel button but don't let go then the two buttons look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:56   almost identical like right to me they picked a bad bad look for the default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3236">TS</a>]

00:54:05   button to me the default button should look different from the other buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:10   but it shouldn't look as different as as the one in your somebody and it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:14   like what you would want to something that both indicates that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:18   selected but also some people are gonna hit the Return key on the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:24   rather than any other King conversely is so that if the cancel button or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:30   there's more than one if you know any of the other regular but the ones they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:33   don't activate just by hitting return when you tap press and hold down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:37   button you get this really vibrant press take it goes from a white background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:42   with black text to blue background with white text super vibrant difference from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:47   whether it's pressed Iran pressed whereas the default button goes from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:51   vibrant blue with white text to a slightly different shade of vibrant blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:57   with white text it's it's an almost indistinguishable difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3297">TS</a>]

00:55:01   Preston and pressed just seems like an unforced error on Apple's part 2 to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:07   that and it's a super niggling thing for me to dwell on but it's one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:11   things where I can get even a month and we can get over you you can I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:16   grousing about the buttons the top down state and buttons since I was seven came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:20   out I think even during the betas that's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:23   thing for you and maybe a baby really is just driving I've isn't really thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:29   too much about the way buttons are pressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31   seems like it seems like I don't like I have a much bigger I put more important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:38   than than giant Apple does and even I think even more than I do like it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:44   a good thing they care about but it's like I look at it is really bother me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:47   that much it's not the first thing I go to the reason I care about it is that to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:52   me it's the only real feedback you get like in the real world when you click a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:58   button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3358">TS</a>]

00:55:59   there's no doubt in your mind when you've pressed it down and when you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:04   let it go as you feel if it's a nice but with a quickness like the buttons on all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:10   the buttons on the iPhone right here a member got the iPhone in my hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:14   pressing the volume buttons and they click I know when I press it down cuz it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:18   clicked and I know I never let go cuz it clicks the other way whereas when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:22   pressing things on screen especially on the iPhone to meet him more important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:26   than the iPhone it's like you don't feel any click there is no haptic feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:30   and you know who knows maybe that's where they're going with new devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:36   later this calendar years haptic feedback but then why did they change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:40   the year ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:41   you know I know I i remember last year during the summer a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:45   speculated that the decrease in visual feedback on press states for buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:51   might be a lot of people were guessing there'd be haptic feedback in the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:55   5s and is not so to me that visual feedback is all you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3415">TS</a>]

00:57:00   and so to me it's worth emphasizing when we rebuild we are playing with some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:04   those they had that press room replay with the phone stuff they a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:09   I think most of them if not all of them had haptic feedback so you'd have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:11   something it would give you like a little bit of a buzz in playing with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:15   I realized it's just it's not the magic that I thought it was where the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:19   right into my fingers buzzing it's just the device bitrates no reason you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:24   that today on the icon to write but thats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:26   yeah I think about what we're gonna do it they want to do some kind of advance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:29   thing where it it literally somehow give you feedback right where you pressed not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:34   that the whole device is vibrating which is what the Windows Phone devices like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:39   think they were all assets that when you typed H keypress gave you a tap yeah I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:46   like us it's not like your phone buzzing your pocket cuz it's not that kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:50   very distinct a little just a little something like you don't even notice it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:53   I didn't hate it but I didn't find it hopefully there I liked it until I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:58   realized that there's no magic just made it was just the phone buzzing in my well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:02   it doesn't solve to me the problem like so for example on the iPhone keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:05   right from the get-go from 2007 when you press aqui you get past the ASCII an ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:15   pop-up shows up above your thumb yeah it's like if so if you're watching as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:20   you type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:21   there's this visual indication that you just type in S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:25   because you know you need that feedback because there's no buttons are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:31   buttons for each key on the keyboard so close to each other that you wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:34   know where as if the whole phone vibrator taps in the exact same way no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:39   matter which key you press it doesn't help you know that you typed an S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:43   instead of a deep into you just know you take something and to me that that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:48   helpful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:49   have you heard of one of those tests were you see if you take better with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:53   clicks without the clicks now I know I've always got the ringer off on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:59   phone cuz I just almost everyone in my phone rang but it seems it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:05   when the cliques are on my typing accuracy goes up I think so too I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:09   the clicks on there's the hypocrisy of my my ringer is always on Etsy don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:15   actually hear them the building I live in there's a good entry he could get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:19   and a month or two ago they they change I know they did but it no longer when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:24   you dial the keypad they don't be baby anymore and without the beeps are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:29   screwed up two or three times before I get it I like to keep it up some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:33   who think that that's so absurd that they can't believe they do find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:37   shocking that I used this eclipse on its similar the key clicks on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:43   menchville because they did similar to the whole phone vibrating it each time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:47   you get the same clique no matter which key press it doesn't help you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:50   you got the Reiki as opposed to like on a hardware keyboard blackberry with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:55   hardware keyboard you know that you press the right key because there's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:58   actual physical sensation but the physical sensations identical for each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:03   key in practice though if you think about it if you've ever I've never used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:08   a blackberry full time but even if I'm just annoyed with one you know you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:12   gotten the Reiki those spatially you know is on that border between S&D you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:19   know that you want that deep respiration to be on the left side not the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:24   side and if you do hit a deer by accident you can feel my thumb was too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:27   far to the right right because the way the key presses in only ever-present in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:32   it doesn't slide around so depending the physicality of it clarifies you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:38   that that would be the sort of understand what the technology would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:41   but if there is a way to make it so that you got physical click or press or some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:47   kind of sensation right on the pixels that you've pressed it could I could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:52   how that would help something like keyboard typing tremendous but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:56   know I've never heard of such technology we should just put a hardware keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3656">TS</a>]

01:01:01   on those things I do think we're going back to yosemite though overall though I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:05   like it a lot and every time I stopped using I have it on a separate machine I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:09   don't have enough main machine that every time I go back to Ibrox its it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:14   just feels like going back to Iowa sex but even more so yeah it was a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:21   bit of culture shock for me after spending a couple days and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:23   somebody coming back and I'm used to it now and this is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:27   I don't hate it it it doesn't feel as dramatic as I was six hours 7 going the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:32   other direction but if it does I am surprised at how much I like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:37   yeah it's not as it's it's funny it's not as big a difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:41   clearly not as big a difference as iOS 6 2007 that somehow going back it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:45   harder quicker because it's so familiar it's just an improvement I think in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:51   almost every way that it makes gone back worse whereas I was 7 everything's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:56   just took time to get used to his Yosemite to me doesn't take any time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3716">TS</a>]

01:02:00   get used to it this is just better yeah there's not a lot of downside is an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:05   7 there's the status bar thing I don't think I like it and these buttons are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:09   weird and there's a bunch of stuff with maverick's to yosemite it really does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:13   just be leg they dialed it up I'm curious and I saw did you see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:19   Tobias shrewd Jones somebody asked him what he thought about how medicare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:23   system fun and say that I have to look at it afterwards but the gist of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:28   there a british au lit Schonert I promise but somehow forget who somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:35   asked to by Astrid Jones formerly of a flat fair Jones you know the whole ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:45   divorce going on there but the designer of gotten among other you know very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:51   popular and well designed funds he spoke very highly of Lucida Grande as a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:56   font and and no mention that some of the problems with Helvetica as a system but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3776">TS</a>]

01:03:03   the bottom line and he mentions it too is that it's you know it's right now vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:08   non and I've only been using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:11   retina MacBook Pro haven't looked at it yet I guess I should try to put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:17   online or something and see what it looks like on an on display and I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:23   only imagine it is going to look worse I do think that's one of the things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:27   yosemite that is very much in spirit with iOS 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:32   is that it's a redneck first display design it's designed to look up its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:37   optimized for retina displays and its secondarily meant to look ok on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:43   place do you think that's a hint at Apple wanting to move to or being ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:47   to move to a future where there's only retina screens I would definitely if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:52   anybody thinks it's not going to be all right now with at some point the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:56   few years i mean you're not but how quickly that's going to be a hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3836">TS</a>]

01:04:00   it's a sign that it's gonna be sooner rather than later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:03   that's what I mean like if they're doing they're already setting things up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:07   its gonna look anything everything looks better on right now by definition but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:11   some somethings translate the other direction better than others and I can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:16   don't have anything on it and I think of it as your desktop display 15 inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:24   MacBook Pro yeah so I don't know haven't even seen him back on the iPhone from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:34   day one and that wasn't terrible i mean it wasn't maybe not as reliable as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3874">TS</a>]

01:04:40   grand but yeah it always worked on iOS and it wasn't bad but I do think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:46   gonna be worse and I feel like the same way that it did work and it was fine on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:51   Iowa spree retina it's it's definitely going to be III I think they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:56   complained about it though when yosemite actually ships and winner of Apple's new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3896">TS</a>]

01:05:01   philosophy about a hundred people is the same as mine was again I don't think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3901">TS</a>]

01:05:06   not yet I think maybe on iOS it is and i think that you know I feel like the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:10   people who they really care about Bailey would probably be owners of the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:16   iPad Mini because that devices only they were still being sold a year ago yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:24   and I are you can still buy an outright doesn't think so i think thats like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:29   low end that's the last one that I feel really care about because the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:38   iPhone 3G s I mean that's forget about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3938">TS</a>]

01:05:41   i mean you know god bless you first if you're still rocking your 3G s now maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:48   they're not I don't know see her compare yeah they still sell the iPad Mini [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:55   without Retina Display 16 gigabytes 299 so that it you know i join us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3955">TS</a>]

01:06:03   uses my old one and it's not bad I mean it's you know it's you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:10   that it's any worse than that then the Helvetica was the system front on iOS 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:16   maybe some of the lack of contrast makes it less showing off but you know I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:21   I wrote about when they first went minutes that I think some of those the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:25   visual trickery making buttons look lickable and putting a lot of lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:31   effects on the buttons and stuff was all to sort of make things look better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:37   the display was capable of really looking whereas with Retina displays you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:40   can just let it actually looked just by blade type on a plain background right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:45   now I'm not saying that there this would be in in the spirit of well who cares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:52   what it looks like on a non Retina screen so much as it is I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:55   Apple at this point just going by what they've done with political system I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4015">TS</a>]

01:07:01   don't think that they're willing to sacrifice what they think is the path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4021">TS</a>]

01:07:04   forward to make things just a little bit better on the screens I will say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:09   using yosemite and I don't have a machine used as much as I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4029">TS</a>]

01:07:16   third party apps it it varies it actually really varies how much they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:22   automatically none look perfect automatically but some look a lot better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4042">TS</a>]

01:07:27   than others and you can see who was specifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4047">TS</a>]

01:07:31   display this list in the system fund others who said display this list in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:37   Lucida Grande twelve-point and 12 were saying just give me the system fine they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:43   get automatically and I looked pretty good and the ones who are using lucid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:49   some of the icons translate little better farrakhan's translate better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:54   others some don't but I'm really curious and and its to me it's a lot like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4074">TS</a>]

01:08:00   shift from iOS app makers of gotta get on you know gotta get updates out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:05   door and make their stuff look great on you simply but I'm curious if it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4085">TS</a>]

01:08:10   take longer for third-party developers to update their Mac apps just in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:16   that because they're too busy updating their iPhone apps first yeah yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:21   think I mean you if you're smart and convention is that you're supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:25   stick to the the API's as much as you can because if Apple changed something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4105">TS</a>]

01:08:31   out when do you get that change for free this is why you're supposed to using US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:35   stocks were so as to not really your own so funny when to me my favorite example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:40   of an app that looks even better in Yosemite is not newswire 3 I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:46   that I looked at him he's fired 37 that newspaper thing that looks on a on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:50   Retina screen that's got some issues on Mavericks and it just looks it looks not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:55   bad I still use it as my daily news reader but it looks dated and I hope it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:59   up just cuz I wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:02   read my feeds everything looks great because the funds are all have attica [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:07   yeah things and how that again the source list is the vibrancy transparency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:11   really yeah it's one of the most one of the most yosemite ready after I had on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:15   my Mac yeah you know what that is another thing that I've noticed is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:20   it clear I didn't even know there was such a thing but there must obviously in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:24   hindsight there must be like give me a default looking sidebar and those apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4164">TS</a>]

01:09:32   look pretty good on your sanity and its translucent and then there's others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:35   where they've got late a blue background with you know the wrong find and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:42   looks so dated but foreign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:45   it reminds me of a template images so the the icons that you create for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:51   sidebar source list on the Mac and the things at a bar based app on the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4191">TS</a>]

01:09:57   you instead of making an icon that looks like what the end user sees you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4197">TS</a>]

01:10:02   make an alpha and alpha channel I can wear the the gradient is is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:09   determines the Alpha so whatever Apple does to update the OS whatever the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:15   style is your your app running on that version of the OS will look like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:20   other so you never stuck like if you were to go in and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:24   looking right now at my screen I see finder and maverick's has that like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:29   of the sort of monochrome the slightly slightly washed out icons along the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:34   like the the iTunes style those are all just you know flat black and white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:40   channel probably jpg or png he's sitting somewhere and then the second the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:46   gets updated they all look the new way I think bottom I'm wrapping up yosemite I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:52   really liked it I think it's exactly what exactly what Apple should have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:58   I don't think anything more radical is called for and I think it's gonna proved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:05   to be far less controversial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:07   I still think there's some people who are you consider iOS 7 controversial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:11   right there are people who refused upgrade still yeah I don't think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:16   that's going to happen with you seventy just because of the appearance and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:20   other than the appearance it's not really that different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:23   you know they have really changed in any other rules no but I do feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:26   especially with that we we don't see any of this really today because it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4286">TS</a>]

01:11:31   betas but the extensions and handoff I think this to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4291">TS</a>]

01:11:38   pushes towards that that ideal of ages ago a friend of mine told me that his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4298">TS</a>]

01:11:43   vision for computers in the future be late you carry that thing around like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:47   your phone or whatever it is and you can use it the way it is that when you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4307">TS</a>]

01:11:50   to work you get somehow and then the the interface changes so that it's a case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:57   custom tailored to the way you're working right now the senate can drive a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4317">TS</a>]

01:12:01   30 inch display on your day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4321">TS</a>]

01:12:02   right right in where Apple AAPL doing it and I think even more clever way which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:06   is allowing you to pass what really matters which is the state in the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:09   back and forth and let the the machines be their own thing yeah because at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:14   certain and who knows I mean I i dont know I feel like that tocqueville idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:18   it always it sounds good but it always runs in the problems and for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:23   your desktop computer if you have a power source even if it's a laptop but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:27   if you can put a power source into it at your desk you you want to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4347">TS</a>]

01:12:33   have abs running and consuming significant amounts of CPU in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:37   background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:38   raise your phone you'd never won that right right so what do you do like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:43   can say okay when I doc the thing it runs like a real UNIX computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4363">TS</a>]

01:12:50   applications in the background can just do what they want and then I want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:54   to the bathroom and take my phone with me and just pick it up then what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:57   to all those processes that were running like all of a sudden now they're told no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4377">TS</a>]

01:13:02   no now you gonna be put to sleep in 10 milliseconds hurry up hurry up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:07   finish I mean you could do things like the dock itself has additional CPU and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:14   memory resources and maybe those processes can attach to the day it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4394">TS</a>]

01:13:18   gets super Lake the kind of people who really like running Linux [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:22   would enjoy that yeah I think that this is a better approach and it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:25   we can even spend it as we talk about some of the Google i/o stuff and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:29   similar approach that Google has that it's not one machine they take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:35   everywhere but like one set of state that's available everywhere they state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4415">TS</a>]

01:13:41   that thinks not the actual computer right and I stayed in your somebody to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4421">TS</a>]

01:13:47   me feel like we were finally there are or were very very close to your iPad in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:54   your iPhone your Mac all work together one question people have been asking me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4434">TS</a>]

01:13:58   actually don't know the answers they don't have a spare iPad to run I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4438">TS</a>]

01:14:02   saved on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:03   a little hesitant to put it on your money in full time on my it's great you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:10   know I gotta see it because I've had problems in the past years with the MLB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4450">TS</a>]

01:14:13   app doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:15   beta and it's like the only app that I really can't do without it off to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:21   but people have been asking will this work between not continuity like handoff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4461">TS</a>]

01:14:27   like I've started an email can you handed off from an iPhone to iPad where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:31   is it only for Mac tireless I think it's only Mac iOS I don't think you can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:36   Iowa stylist but it seemed that seems like something that could be like a 8.1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:43   update or something later in the year and make sense you know that you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:47   wanted somebody you know how I wanna go from this small machine the iPhone where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:52   I'm picking this thing out with my thumbs to the big machine right to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4492">TS</a>]

01:14:55   email the big your boobs somebody else's big machine for email might be their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:59   iPad right I could see it coming I don't think that it's there yet though I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:03   go tested tweet earlier I am I'm impressed with iOS eight and running I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:12   was it on my phone my carry from made a phone and on my my day iPad 1 iPad but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:18   yeah my retina iPad Mini both running I was a full-time and both there i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4518">TS</a>]

01:15:23   there's weird stuff like I had to reboot my phone every couple of days things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:27   just get lucky and i'm glad you brought that up say I've been meaning to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4527">TS</a>]

01:15:31   about this I said what I do is I have I still have my your old iPhone 5 which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4531">TS</a>]

01:15:38   also a Verizon so I just if I would have done that device and I just take my sim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:45   card out of my daily iPhone 5s put in the five and then use that phone on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:49   there and I'm using just that is pretty good but a smiling do it you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:55   make sure you know if I couldn't do it the year before though because last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:59   was the year or I had switched from AT&T to Verizon so my year old iphone4s I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4559">TS</a>]

01:16:05   couldn't SIM card swap with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4565">TS</a>]

01:16:07   so it only works so long as you're year ago phone is on the same carrier and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4567">TS</a>]

01:16:13   same same setup because well it wasn't yeah alright so like Verizon phones were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4573">TS</a>]

01:16:19   or not whether world phones but they couldn't yeah it was funny in it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4579">TS</a>]

01:16:24   every couple years they cut the SIM card size down to the accident was many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4584">TS</a>]

01:16:29   announced my crying like a baby with the iPhone 6 they're gonna come you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:32   make an even smaller SIM card now just to get an eyedropper drop it in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:37   one thing though this is that they have been meaning to talk about is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:41   the first year I've tried to do this in a run run the beta on a year old iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:47   as much as they can during summer and even like last year when I couldn't SIM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:52   card swap I would at least carry the iphone4s around in the house on wifi as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4612">TS</a>]

01:16:58   you know the only thing I can do is get phone calls but I don't think I said but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:01   everything else i get this is the first year where I don't find going back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:07   the iPhone 5 to be slow physically slow like the interface feel slow I notice in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4627">TS</a>]

01:17:13   some places but like the keyboard doesn't feel slow I can always that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4633">TS</a>]

01:17:17   one thing every single year when I test the new beta of of the operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:22   on my year old iPhone I think and how do they ever type on this thing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:25   keyboardist and it's never been I don't know if it's because they were you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4645">TS</a>]

01:17:30   the operating system slowed down I don't know if it's just that I got used to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4650">TS</a>]

01:17:34   increased or decreased latency of the interface responsiveness but this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:41   one you're referring most part day today I don't feel that much difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:44   between the 5s in five just in terms of navigating around the operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:48   with this is with you running iOS eight on and on the other phone yet I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:53   you tip your saying you typically run the new OS on the older phone yes I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:57   thinking that it has more to do with the newness of the OS the age of the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4677">TS</a>]

01:18:01   in terms of your keyboard latency I don't know I just think maybe that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:06   it's that I S eight because they didn't do anything new interface wise radically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4686">TS</a>]

01:18:11   that it's nothing nothing but improved performance wise as opposed to like last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4691">TS</a>]

01:18:16   year obviously a lot of people had complained that I 07 was dog slow on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4696">TS</a>]

01:18:20   hardware yeah there's nothing no I don't have any reason to worry about that from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4700">TS</a>]

01:18:25   7-8 and I think it combines with the fact that maybe the iPhone 5 was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:30   first one where the a sex was sort of good enough you know that it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:38   at least for things like typing that we don't need you know the speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:42   improvement I'm sure help in image processing for example right like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/4722">TS</a>]

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01:31:48   because I had when I was doing my whole year somebody second partition thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5508">TS</a>]

01:31:51   had some some some very close calls with my own data and you know everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5511">TS</a>]

01:31:56   that's really important I got on Dropbox I i wouldn't be totally screwed but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5516">TS</a>]

01:32:01   would take me a good day or two to try to get my system back to the way it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5521">TS</a>]

01:32:04   and then it's never gonna quite feel right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5524">TS</a>]

01:32:07   and to just have all my stuff out there in one place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5527">TS</a>]

01:32:10   backed up I just need to do it I'm stupid for not having done it already so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:18   Google material design this is the new design language that Google announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:24   last week that IO I don't think I think to summarize it to me I'm not a daily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:30   and reducer I mean I try to stay up to date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5550">TS</a>]

01:32:33   it's not as radical I going from the previous look to this new one is not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:38   big leap as iOS 6 2007 its to me a little bit more like yosemite you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5558">TS</a>]

01:32:46   it's like their equivalent of yosemite it's it's just sort of cleaning up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5566">TS</a>]

01:32:52   modernization in getting rid of some walking us but I think it looks bad to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5572">TS</a>]

01:32:56   first time to me that Android looks like from top to bottom that did one cohesive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5576">TS</a>]

01:33:01   set of visual guidelines for house stuff should look I think even more than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5581">TS</a>]

01:33:07   visual update which you're right it's not a huge leap but what does feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5587">TS</a>]

01:33:10   a big leap is the way they're documenting and talking about the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:13   yeah the design side but it's weird it's a good first I was very complimentary to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5593">TS</a>]

01:33:19   it I still and date judging it mainly on what it is they're recommending that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5599">TS</a>]

01:33:23   developers do which i think is all right and good and it's not just hey add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5603">TS</a>]

01:33:28   animation to your user interfaces add animation in a way that increases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5608">TS</a>]

01:33:33   understand what's going on so if you open something it doesn't just appear on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5613">TS</a>]

01:33:39   screen it opens from somewhere like from the button that you tapped to open it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5619">TS</a>]

01:33:44   and then when you close it goes back down into the thing I was looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5624">TS</a>]

01:33:48   the docs before we we jumped on to do the show just wanted to get my ducks in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5628">TS</a>]

01:33:54   a row here and I noticed comparing the the Android design stuff about animation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5634">TS</a>]

01:33:59   versus what is in the Iowa 7 Hague but get them side-by-side in iOS 7 it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5639">TS</a>]

01:34:05   things like I'm not gonna read it verbatim but it's more or less saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5645">TS</a>]

01:34:08   here's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5648">TS</a>]

01:34:09   animations and here's the the scenarios and here's you wanna be reserved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5649">TS</a>]

01:34:13   to feel a certain way and the Google site is okay so here's the code to do an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:19   animation and here's the direction things could go and maybe there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5659">TS</a>]

01:34:23   like footnotes here in there about why you are doing things the way you do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5663">TS</a>]

01:34:26   but it's still very very Google yeah but some of it to me is not very very quiet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5666">TS</a>]

01:34:32   as Duarte being particularly key I don't know I never met him but these he seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5672">TS</a>]

01:34:37   a bit he's always struck me as onstage demeanor is being a bit Thuy ok here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5677">TS</a>]

01:34:46   here's a phrase a lot of people have called this out very early on when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5686">TS</a>]

01:34:51   go to google.com / design and start reading up on it it's somewhere in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5691">TS</a>]

01:34:55   first couple of pages and it says material is the metaphor now this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5695">TS</a>]

01:35:00   reading material metaphor is the unifying theory of a rationalized space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5700">TS</a>]

01:35:05   and a system of motion our material is grounded and tactile reality inspired by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:10   our study of paper and ink yet open to imagination and magic and what does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5710">TS</a>]

01:35:16   mean that's a lot of what does it mean it means nothing right that is in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5716">TS</a>]

01:35:25   it is Don Draper route that it's actually now because it done draper of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5725">TS</a>]

01:35:30   Don Draper wrote it would it would at least make you think of something real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:34   like I think I just larry right I feel like Don Draper would go nuts I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5734">TS</a>]

01:35:39   the opposite its in fact I think it's actually misleading where the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5739">TS</a>]

01:35:44   you come out of that is something something study of paper and ink but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5744">TS</a>]

01:35:48   it's not the rules of their new interface are not grounded in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5748">TS</a>]

01:35:53   realities of paper and ink right there's no school more fake Inc bleed or paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5753">TS</a>]

01:35:58   texture and you know things balance and move in ways that paper and in camp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5758">TS</a>]

01:36:05   mountain move you know that you know you can't have it both ways and say they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5765">TS</a>]

01:36:11   have based the metaphors on paper and ink and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5771">TS</a>]

01:36:13   increase the amount of animation and stretching that you can do right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5773">TS</a>]

01:36:20   actually false it's actually misleading because paper doesn't move like liquid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5780">TS</a>]

01:36:25   right I think you're better off reading the Google material design docs not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5785">TS</a>]

01:36:30   reading the actual English and just looking at a potential just like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5790">TS</a>]

01:36:35   lorem ipsum all of the descriptions and just go through and look at it visually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5795">TS</a>]

01:36:40   and it it to me and when I did that it makes way more sense than if you try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:45   read it and understand with this shit about a rationalized space in a system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5805">TS</a>]

01:36:49   of motion is it very hand wavy it's like somebody somebody way too hard about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:55   this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:56   yeah they want to make it seem like more than it is even during the keynote I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5816">TS</a>]

01:37:00   forget the line but the guy he said the incoming I don't forget to call it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5820">TS</a>]

01:37:07   but the the ink thing moves like water and it like right there it will put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5827">TS</a>]

01:37:13   metaphor is it angers order choose one word you're already confusing things for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5833">TS</a>]

01:37:18   me I do think too and I think its interests had to be interesting to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5838">TS</a>]

01:37:22   how quickly Android developers pick up on these guidelines because to me every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5842">TS</a>]

01:37:29   time I've tried Android it's the Google stuff is OK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5849">TS</a>]

01:37:35   doesn't make me happy and doesn't feel good but it's ok but as soon as you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5855">TS</a>]

01:37:39   into third party apps it's just brutal just brutal in terms of aesthetics and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5859">TS</a>]

01:37:45   layout and part of this is the advantage that a lot of the stuff doesn't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5865">TS</a>]

01:37:52   from the operating system really it's this Google Play services thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5872">TS</a>]

01:37:57   get from the Google Play Store and it's like this shared library so that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5877">TS</a>]

01:38:02   developers don't have to wait till everybody's running the new Android tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5882">TS</a>]

01:38:06   you know version and they're gonna call at five point our whatever which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5886">TS</a>]

01:38:10   going to be years but a big chunk of existing Android phones that won't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5890">TS</a>]

01:38:17   the upgrade to the fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5897">TS</a>]

01:38:19   new OS will get the new Google Play services which is the shared library and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5899">TS</a>]

01:38:24   I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5904">TS</a>]

01:38:25   this interface stuff will all be distributed through there so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:28   interesting I i cant wait to see his like with with the iOS all the major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5908">TS</a>]

01:38:33   developers every app that I can't remember how long it took to every app I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:37   use on a daily basis was updated Fri 07 but it didn't take long as I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5917">TS</a>]

01:38:42   hold out I like my first two home screens I don't know that Android has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5922">TS</a>]

01:38:48   developers who care about stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5928">TS</a>]

01:38:51   what seems like what they're trying to do looking at the google.com / design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5931">TS</a>]

01:38:55   this is pretty well put together they're trying really hard to make it look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5935">TS</a>]

01:39:00   they care about design and that sounds dismissive but what I mean is they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5940">TS</a>]

01:39:05   they're really trying to get across the importance of design to developers like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5945">TS</a>]

01:39:10   to maybe they've they've recognized that that lack of consistency there's a given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5950">TS</a>]

01:39:14   fragmentation within the design of third-party apps and maybe if they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5954">TS</a>]

01:39:18   bump up Claudia maybe they can set an example they can pump up across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5958">TS</a>]

01:39:22   board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5962">TS</a>]

01:39:23   it's interesting to me that Apple's approach to this is they create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5963">TS</a>]

01:39:27   thoughtful designs that people want to emulate them going document those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5967">TS</a>]

01:39:31   designs and people will try to achieve that themselves whereas Google will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5971">TS</a>]

01:39:35   write documentation and make API's yeah I did I noticed that too that I i watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5975">TS</a>]

01:39:41   that whole interminable keynote they don't show as many apps as anyone near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5981">TS</a>]

01:39:49   as many apps as Apple did when they should I was seven and and you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5989">TS</a>]

01:39:53   think it speaks to the way Apple works where Apple AAPL did redesign every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5993">TS</a>]

01:39:59   single part of iOS you know all the apps mail and calendar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/5999">TS</a>]

01:40:04   you know everything and it's the way you know let's face it you know you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6004">TS</a>]

01:40:10   admit it you do you read The Hague but let's face it you design stuff mostly by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6010">TS</a>]

01:40:15   to look at what Apple's done you digested and internalized ok here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6015">TS</a>]

01:40:20   way it's supposed to be and then you kind of shoot from the hip you go from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6020">TS</a>]

01:40:23   your gut and you know it you know you don't sit there with the hague open and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:28   you know ok it says sixteen point between these two things so I make these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6028">TS</a>]

01:40:33   two 16 points and some point you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6033">TS</a>]

01:40:36   you know make sure you've got everything like that right but when you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6036">TS</a>]

01:40:39   Photoshop open you're creating art not a description right in the asss all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6039">TS</a>]

01:40:45   time but the Gandhis guidelines and I think of the hague more is like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6045">TS</a>]

01:40:50   instructions that come with the new device or your toaster something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6050">TS</a>]

01:40:54   you've you might think you're gonna look through it you're gonna get the basics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6054">TS</a>]

01:40:57   and you might refer to it later but it's not you don't even sitting next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6057">TS</a>]

01:41:01   toasters toast you read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6061">TS</a>]

01:41:03   same thing with like Strunk and white or any other writing guidelines for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:06   writer's writer doesn't sit there with you know the Chicago Manual of Style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6066">TS</a>]

01:41:11   open and for each sentence look it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6071">TS</a>]

01:41:15   how am I supposed to structure the sentence the writer just right and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6075">TS</a>]

01:41:18   every once in a while you run into a sticky situation or your editor will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6078">TS</a>]

01:41:22   save somebody's read it will point to a sentence and say oh isn't this ambiguous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6082">TS</a>]

01:41:26   here you know and then you think why do need to look at the guidelines you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6086">TS</a>]

01:41:29   let me see but while you're actually writing you're in a completely different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6089">TS</a>]

01:41:33   modes are not referring to us at rules you've already internalized them right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6093">TS</a>]

01:41:38   and I do you have that that structure that framework in your head or you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6098">TS</a>]

01:41:41   and it did seem like Google and I think you know I think part of it is just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6101">TS</a>]

01:41:46   way Google is different than a plane part of it too though is that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6106">TS</a>]

01:41:48   aware that their developer base is different you know I think your point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6108">TS</a>]

01:41:52   there about internalizing it you're you're right and i think is what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6112">TS</a>]

01:41:56   telling here is that Google is is setting this up I mean if you're if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6116">TS</a>]

01:42:02   you're not a good designer than no amount of documentation is gonna make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6122">TS</a>]

01:42:06   you a good designer but I think if I have some kind of objection if I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6126">TS</a>]

01:42:11   a strong opinion about the way Google is doing things here it's that they're sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6131">TS</a>]

01:42:14   of presenting it as a flake ok just read this and i could be good at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6134">TS</a>]

01:42:17   yeah and I think that that's there probably wrong on that part I think but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6137">TS</a>]

01:42:22   me know obviously you when I use the word bias River biased but I do think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6142">TS</a>]

01:42:28   we as a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6148">TS</a>]

01:42:29   collectively have talked a lot over the years about how iOS the average iOS user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6149">TS</a>]

01:42:34   is different from the average Android user and that's one of the reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6154">TS</a>]

01:42:38   raw market share comparisons are far less valid than in any other context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6158">TS</a>]

01:42:44   because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6164">TS</a>]

01:42:45   they're not if the users are have different expectations different reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6165">TS</a>]

01:42:51   for buying the device if they spend different amount of money if they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6171">TS</a>]

01:42:54   different amounts of Education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6174">TS</a>]

01:42:56   different income levels if they live in different places if they tend you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6176">TS</a>]

01:43:01   tend to live in different countries that makes a big difference on the value of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6181">TS</a>]

01:43:05   them collectively as you know can you build a business just addressing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6185">TS</a>]

01:43:10   developers I think last spoken about but maybe even just as important is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6190">TS</a>]

01:43:16   think there's very clearly a demographic difference between Android developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6196">TS</a>]

01:43:20   and iOS developers in the same way that there was always a difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6200">TS</a>]

01:43:24   Windows developers and Mac developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6204">TS</a>]

01:43:27   totally agree with that I think it's a very similar difference you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6207">TS</a>]

01:43:31   that there'll be some companies will design you know have the same teams and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6211">TS</a>]

01:43:35   have designers who had to do is make an app that looks as similar as we can on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6215">TS</a>]

01:43:39   iOS and Android and there's develop you know developers and designers who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6219">TS</a>]

01:43:45   working on both and I'm sure I know I've read blog posts from some of them there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6225">TS</a>]

01:43:49   are designers you know talented designers who are either fans of Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6229">TS</a>]

01:43:54   or just the nature of your job is that's where they're working I'm not trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6234">TS</a>]

01:43:58   make the eggs you know I'm not jumping to any kind of extreme conclusion that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6238">TS</a>]

01:44:01   there is no good designers working on Android but I think I feel very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6241">TS</a>]

01:44:06   confident saying that most good mobile UI designers are either iOS only I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6246">TS</a>]

01:44:12   first right i think thats some of that is that there's a moving target problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6252">TS</a>]

01:44:18   with Android where which device which set of API's are you designing for ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6258">TS</a>]

01:44:25   which version of the OS redesigning for are you designing for hardware keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6265">TS</a>]

01:44:28   redesigning for soccer keyboardist I like a jog dial thing on the side that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6268">TS</a>]

01:44:31   used to navigate or is it all touch screen and it's it's all of it even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6271">TS</a>]

01:44:36   little bit but even that a lot because I i Android especially at the farm level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6276">TS</a>]

01:44:40   has unified they've got rid of all those things like all those things that used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6280">TS</a>]

01:44:44   to be claimed to be his strength of the platform that some of the devices you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6284">TS</a>]

01:44:49   know if you want to a hardware keyboard you can have a hardware keyboard if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6289">TS</a>]

01:44:52   want to jog dial you can have a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6292">TS</a>]

01:44:54   one of the front of those things anymore they're just that that's good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6294">TS</a>]

01:44:58   everybody but it means that there's there's still there's still some moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6298">TS</a>]

01:45:02   target stuff for Android hardware and where a designer for Apple platform you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6302">TS</a>]

01:45:06   kind of like you know the screen size and you know the resolution and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6306">TS</a>]

01:45:10   how how big a thing needs to be and how you hold it and where your thumb ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6310">TS</a>]

01:45:14   and and that plus the fact that most users I'm gonna get in trouble for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6314">TS</a>]

01:45:21   saying this but by and large paid software on Android does not sell as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6321">TS</a>]

01:45:26   well as on I was gonna get in trouble for I think everybody I was that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6326">TS</a>]

01:45:31   more political version but it's nobody is going to spend a ton of time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6331">TS</a>]

01:45:37   designing software nobody's gonna spend the money to pay a great designer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6337">TS</a>]

01:45:41   make software that nobody's gonna buy it does make you wonder 444 absurd always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6341">TS</a>]

01:45:47   gonna be free like a major and OB appt that is you mean you pay for it but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6347">TS</a>]

01:45:52   like this so mass-market that it doesn't matter that there's no inherent I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6352">TS</a>]

01:45:57   for Sandra bias there necessarily or something that is like maybe the Major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6357">TS</a>]

01:46:02   League Soccer app where you just if you're a fan you're going to download it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6362">TS</a>]

01:46:06   it's free and it's the app exists to help get you excited about a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6366">TS</a>]

01:46:11   thing they they make their money elsewhere you really look like a Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6371">TS</a>]

01:46:15   a perfect but it surprises me that there's those companies aren't spending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6375">TS</a>]

01:46:19   more on Android design and me too I don't know one thing that I'm wondering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6379">TS</a>]

01:46:26   about I've noticed and I think that the new Google material design is largely in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6386">TS</a>]

01:46:31   line with it is like when you look at the Google Maps app for iOS you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6391">TS</a>]

01:46:35   Google Maps app yeah yeah that's the that's my daily use maps out it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6395">TS</a>]

01:46:40   it's it wasn't designed that Google Maps iOS app was not designed in isolation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6400">TS</a>]

01:46:46   from this material design it's not exactly the same but it's you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6406">TS</a>]

01:46:53   big differences Apple that has you know and we it comes down to like what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6413">TS</a>]

01:46:56   talked about an hour ago about how yosemite and iOS 7 look related but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6416">TS</a>]

01:47:00   don't look like the same thing whereas material design their their flat out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6420">TS</a>]

01:47:05   saying it's meant to look the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6425">TS</a>]

01:47:07   on Chromebook and tablet and on a phone and I think implicitly some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6427">TS</a>]

01:47:14   screenshots they've shown showed apps with an iOS status bar not Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6434">TS</a>]

01:47:19   status bar and that I think that they're they're presenting this is a design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6439">TS</a>]

01:47:23   language that you could use for iOS apps too and I think that they themselves are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6443">TS</a>]

01:47:28   sort of been doing that their apps to me avoid you know started looking a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6448">TS</a>]

01:47:32   bit more like Moon Man iOS apps to be a little tricky because they would have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6452">TS</a>]

01:47:38   give out some kind of framework SDK to make those API is working I thought well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6458">TS</a>]

01:47:43   I don't know if they're I don't know if they're going to mean for third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6463">TS</a>]

01:47:46   developers to do that or if it's just something they're doing themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6466">TS</a>]

01:47:49   internally but don't you think I can I look at maps like they've got like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6469">TS</a>]

01:47:52   back button that uses an hour 0 instead of a Chevrolet and it doesn't doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6472">TS</a>]

01:47:58   slide from the side I was relationship with Google right now is such that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6478">TS</a>]

01:48:04   write that a lot of that off as just google sayings Curry who has agreed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6484">TS</a>]

01:48:09   our own thing we don't care for looks like an eye on it but it doesn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6489">TS</a>]

01:48:12   know it's close enough they're related enough it's not like Windows Phone which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6492">TS</a>]

01:48:17   Windows Phone is very different metaphor right right it would really stick out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6497">TS</a>]

01:48:22   where is this is two takes on the same basic idea yeah and I think I mean he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6502">TS</a>]

01:48:29   said Google Maps as my daily use maps app and I don't find myself thinking I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6509">TS</a>]

01:48:34   don't hate it I don't feel grossed out by its coolness but it doesn't look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6514">TS</a>]

01:48:38   an iOS 7 right and I wonder like I feel like they're going that route with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6518">TS</a>]

01:48:44   Gmail and stuff to do that's the other app that's what happened did show off in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6524">TS</a>]

01:48:49   the keynote and I have to say the new Gmail app looks so much better then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6529">TS</a>]

01:48:56   you stalk ya I haven't seen it but i i i dont understand the people who used the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6536">TS</a>]

01:49:04   Gmail web interface for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6544">TS</a>]

01:49:06   like I just used the stock my lap belt the new Gmail app looks a lot more used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6546">TS</a>]

01:49:10   to icon and rated looked like a web app and just even though was a native app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6550">TS</a>]

01:49:14   just looked is just the space in the typography was just horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6554">TS</a>]

01:49:19   really really bad last thing I wanted to talk about and this is from i/o is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6559">TS</a>]

01:49:27   that in broad terms I i guess i wanna write about that under informal to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6567">TS</a>]

01:49:31   about ever since is that there's all sorts of details and I love to examine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6571">TS</a>]

01:49:35   the details you know spend you know you could spend the whole show just talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6575">TS</a>]

01:49:38   about the difference between Roboto font but if you zoom out take the ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6578">TS</a>]

01:49:44   thousand foot perspective it's kind of remarkable and I think unremarked upon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6584">TS</a>]

01:49:49   just how similar we targeted Google and Apple's initiatives are right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6589">TS</a>]

01:49:56   tech company talking about you know set-top devices that run mobile OS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6596">TS</a>]

01:50:04   have an App Store and wearables and watch apples and health tracking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6604">TS</a>]

01:50:09   heart rate monitors and footstep monitors and an API for apps to track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6609">TS</a>]

01:50:14   those things you know and I know that Apple wrist wearable install rumor not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6614">TS</a>]

01:50:21   thing but I mean it's it's one of those rumors that has a lot of smoke and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6621">TS</a>]

01:50:25   everybody's talking about it and people been talking about an improved Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6625">TS</a>]

01:50:28   with an app store for years the health and fitness tracking Apple announced the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6628">TS</a>]

01:50:34   health API's home automation they're both talking about that Google bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6634">TS</a>]

01:50:39   next Apple you know flat-out came out with iOS he said you know here we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6639">TS</a>]

01:50:44   adding these things and we're working with all these companies to see your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6644">TS</a>]

01:50:48   garage door opener on you know your thermostat and whatever can all be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6648">TS</a>]

01:50:52   hooked up notably nest was not on that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6652">TS</a>]

01:50:55   very noticeably it's all the same sort of basic ideas right car integration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6655">TS</a>]

01:51:01   there's another obvious when you can say it all this stuff is obvious but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6661">TS</a>]

01:51:05   both all those things are on both companies agendas how much of that do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6665">TS</a>]

01:51:10   you think is me too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6670">TS</a>]

01:51:12   how much of it do you think is that's just where they even in a vacuum both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6672">TS</a>]

01:51:16   companies would have ended up here I don't know I find it remarkable to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6676">TS</a>]

01:51:20   it's very remarkable that they're all all of those things I just mentioned ro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6680">TS</a>]

01:51:24   all on both on both companies agendas I mean because I think I know I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6684">TS</a>]

01:51:29   know enough to say I don't know enough to say that Apple is coming out with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6689">TS</a>]

01:51:33   wearable device that you were wearing arrest but I do know enough I can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6693">TS</a>]

01:51:39   with certainty that they have investigated it thoroughly and that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6699">TS</a>]

01:51:42   they don't it's because they rejected the Dave you know that they have people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6702">TS</a>]

01:51:46   who I know we're working on a wearable for your wrist so they at least looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6706">TS</a>]

01:51:51   at it all of those things right watches congress wearables cause I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6711">TS</a>]

01:51:58   convinced that that they're the ones I can be successful gonna be watched like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6718">TS</a>]

01:52:02   but let's say something you wear it health fitness tracking home automation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6722">TS</a>]

01:52:06   car integration TV set tops all the same things I just find it remarkable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6726">TS</a>]

01:52:11   both companies have their sights even as their what else could they get into yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6731">TS</a>]

01:52:18   I don't know if it's if it's just that they're also too obvious ideas for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6738">TS</a>]

01:52:23   expansion or a byproduct of the relationship between Apple and Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6743">TS</a>]

01:52:29   now where they're so like I for a long time you'd say that their friends and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6749">TS</a>]

01:52:33   and I think we might be moving either in the middle of or right at the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6753">TS</a>]

01:52:39   frenemies territory and it's about to get ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6759">TS</a>]

01:52:41   yeah I would say that we're past that I think they're in our tribal territory I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6761">TS</a>]

01:52:44   really think it's already there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6764">TS</a>]

01:52:46   yeah I do I think it's been there ever since the I think it's been there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6766">TS</a>]

01:52:50   years ever since the Steve Jobs internal Apple thing that don't be evil is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6770">TS</a>]

01:52:55   bullshit you know I think it's been that way since I mean outwardly like the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6775">TS</a>]

01:53:00   they behave to each other but even even after that it was still the maps app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6780">TS</a>]

01:53:04   powered by Google yeah but only because it had to be in a switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6784">TS</a>]

01:53:07   you know they switch before probably a year before they were ready but they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6787">TS</a>]

01:53:12   to do it anyway because they couldn't get an extra year you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6792">TS</a>]

01:53:15   very contentious you know I know I don't know I still don't know exactly I'd love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6795">TS</a>]

01:53:21   to know in hindsight how much of it was 90 forestall took the blame for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6801">TS</a>]

01:53:26   seriously lacking in quality of it and as it debuts and I think that the just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6806">TS</a>]

01:53:33   don't know this for a fact I think this is all third-hand but the gist is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6813">TS</a>]

01:53:38   that the maps team led the rest of Apple to think it no it's not going to be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6818">TS</a>]

01:53:44   good as Google Maps is gonna be problems were gonna take a hit on this but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6824">TS</a>]

01:53:48   here's where we are you know the bar if a hundred percent is as good as Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6828">TS</a>]

01:53:52   Maps we're at 75 and given all the other considerations you know that's why we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6832">TS</a>]

01:53:59   should go ahead and do it now because running any get from 75 to 100 130 of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6839">TS</a>]

01:54:03   real-world usage can improve it but then when it shipped it was like 40 on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6843">TS</a>]

01:54:09   scale one hundred and that there was less than what the internal team had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6849">TS</a>]

01:54:13   promised even if what they had promised was not as good as Google Maps like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6853">TS</a>]

01:54:16   nobody in Apple nobody thought we were gonna make this transition and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6856">TS</a>]

01:54:20   going to be just as good I mean everybody knew you could just look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6860">TS</a>]

01:54:23   certain maps and see it in a basement and not even that but transit transit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6863">TS</a>]

01:54:28   directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6868">TS</a>]

01:54:29   yea well exactly which you know they're only adding now right isn't that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6869">TS</a>]

01:54:35   an ISA miss remember if it is I missed it but obviously they knew that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6875">TS</a>]

01:54:40   were losing out on transit directions which by the way is the reason that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6880">TS</a>]

01:54:44   switch to using Google Maps is my new york I need to know which train today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6884">TS</a>]

01:54:48   yeah she absolutely you know you live in an area where you depend on public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6888">TS</a>]

01:54:52   transportation it's you know like night and day right it's like having a weather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6892">TS</a>]

01:54:56   app that doesn't even show your location it is it true you know like I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6896">TS</a>]

01:55:00   went dark sky shipped it was like only had like aus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6900">TS</a>]

01:55:04   data source who I know there have been some weather apps that only a few s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6904">TS</a>]

01:55:07   whether you know no matter how cold the APAs if you live in Europe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6907">TS</a>]

01:55:11   worthless you know if you take the subway to get to get places in New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6911">TS</a>]

01:55:18   City Apple maps isn't going to help you at all but I'm curious whether if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6918">TS</a>]

01:55:24   know and I think it was a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6924">TS</a>]

01:55:26   for forced on and as you know in terms of accountability that it wasn't as good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6926">TS</a>]

01:55:33   as opposed to have been and as they were led to have been but I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6933">TS</a>]

01:55:37   they still wouldn't have switched at the same time anyway it's just that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6937">TS</a>]

01:55:41   they would have positioned to different marketing wise to set the expectations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6941">TS</a>]

01:55:45   lower because they were in such a tight spot in terms of Google demanding really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6945">TS</a>]

01:55:51   deep access to users personal location data in exchange for the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6951">TS</a>]

01:55:58   Apple really needed from Google which were vector-based maps instead of bitmap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6958">TS</a>]

01:56:02   maps and drive driving directions and the things that you really need for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6962">TS</a>]

01:56:07   good maps databases data and they they even said that the more you use it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6967">TS</a>]

01:56:12   better the service is gonna get it so I think maybe in in a perfect or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6972">TS</a>]

01:56:17   perfect world they would have baby because it look what else did they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6977">TS</a>]

01:56:20   the wound up being way better after more people used to because of data series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6980">TS</a>]

01:56:25   yeah so maybe they would have liked launched this alongside the maps app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6985">TS</a>]

01:56:30   like the new maps beta I don't know how they could have done it if their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6990">TS</a>]

01:56:34   relationship is better but that given the state of the relationships I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6994">TS</a>]

01:56:37   actually think even knowing how bad the initial version of maps was gonna be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/6997">TS</a>]

01:56:41   day did the right thing I think the wrong thing was that they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7001">TS</a>]

01:56:44   presented in lower expectations and they could have even been more forthright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7004">TS</a>]

01:56:48   about the fact that it was contentious you know that you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7008">TS</a>]

01:56:53   there's some way that they could have presented it that would have lowered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7013">TS</a>]

01:56:55   expectations accordingly and stuff to sell it that way but it's better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7015">TS</a>]

01:57:01   what they went through though I mean you can say that stuff to sell but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7021">TS</a>]

01:57:04   lot tougher to say wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7024">TS</a>]

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01:57:16   how they point out how contentious relationship maybe cadet maybe that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7036">TS</a>]

01:57:20   couldn't get into but somehow they could have said look into this and it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7040">TS</a>]

01:57:25   protect you know they can emphasize the protection of privacy which is true it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7045">TS</a>]

01:57:30   absolutely no there's no spin involved there you could say it's been by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7050">TS</a>]

01:57:34   emphasizing the privacy protection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7054">TS</a>]

01:57:36   because I was the bottom line is that Google was demanding access to user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7056">TS</a>]

01:57:43   identifiable personal location data in exchange for all of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7063">TS</a>]

01:57:47   Apple needed to improve maps using Google Maps and it was you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7067">TS</a>]

01:57:51   there was no going forward from that and they had denounced the switch you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7071">TS</a>]

01:57:56   they could announce the switch mid year they had to the contract was up I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7076">TS</a>]

01:58:01   the to renew it for more than one year it was either do it now when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7081">TS</a>]

01:58:06   contract's up or you know go through the pain of having all this you know succumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7086">TS</a>]

01:58:12   to Google's demands for user data which they weren't gonna do you know it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7092">TS</a>]

01:58:17   an interesting point the contentiousness of the relationship because people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7097">TS</a>]

01:58:21   you and me do that but that's not everyone who uses an iPhone oh alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7101">TS</a>]

01:58:26   and Apple knows that and doesn't expect for Apple's internal negotiation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7106">TS</a>]

01:58:31   problems to be you know that's apples pineapple knows that that's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7111">TS</a>]

01:58:34   problem not the user's problem but you know that's an instance where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7114">TS</a>]

01:58:38   effectively became that users problem it's an interesting thought experiment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7118">TS</a>]

01:58:42   though the back and think about you know just yesterday was the seven year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7122">TS</a>]

01:58:47   anniversary of when the first iPhone ship and think I don't know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7127">TS</a>]

01:58:50   everybody was making a penny I haven't posted a few photos comparing the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7130">TS</a>]

01:58:54   you know why seven a big deal I'm not quite sure but you know June 29 and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7134">TS</a>]

01:59:02   interesting to go back to seven years ago and think about how you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7142">TS</a>]

01:59:06   Google was a partner in the iPhone right now it was called on stage in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7146">TS</a>]

01:59:10   keynote was introduced and was all hugs and smiles he was a board member at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7150">TS</a>]

01:59:15   Apple and there is this whole look will make the awesome device in Google will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7155">TS</a>]

01:59:19   provide the awesome you know cloud services like Maps and YouTube it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7159">TS</a>]

01:59:26   interesting to think we'd be today if that relationship had stayed like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7166">TS</a>]

01:59:29   and Google hadn't gone into Android and built their own competitor to the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7169">TS</a>]

01:59:35   and was you know there was more of a happy relationship there I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7175">TS</a>]

01:59:40   it would have lasted anyway because I think even without Android Google would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7180">TS</a>]

01:59:43   have demanded the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7183">TS</a>]

01:59:45   it wouldn't have changed schools thirst for privacy invasive collection of user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7185">TS</a>]

01:59:51   data and you could argue that it's a good thing even I mean it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7191">TS</a>]

01:59:55   annoying for Apple that with a dividend rate but at the same time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7195">TS</a>]

02:00:00   relationship has evolved to wear them in the rivalry of that relationship is such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7200">TS</a>]

02:00:03   that we're gonna win out in a big way if both companies are making all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7203">TS</a>]

02:00:09   different kinds of things at the same time that means we as consumers get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7209">TS</a>]

02:00:14   choice and where we've got two very powerful companies with a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7214">TS</a>]

02:00:18   technology behind them finding out who can make the better thing and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7218">TS</a>]

02:00:23   know I think kind of feel like Google's business model exists in Apple's blind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7223">TS</a>]

02:00:28   spot at the time that it just never like Microsoft Apple understood right they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7228">TS</a>]

02:00:33   going to make a competing platform into gonna sell it for $15 a pop gems you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7233">TS</a>]

02:00:38   know they understood that they didn't use the same business model but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7238">TS</a>]

02:00:42   that they saw like their potential competitors for the iPhone is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7242">TS</a>]

02:00:47   companies like rim you know making ground of doing that I you know the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7247">TS</a>]

02:00:52   thing as Apple making the whole which the services the devices and something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7252">TS</a>]

02:00:57   like Microsoft where somebody would sell commercial system 20 am's for a profit I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7257">TS</a>]

02:01:03   think the whole idea of we're just gonna give it away for free and sell things it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7263">TS</a>]

02:01:08   costs and make it up by collecting user data and using that data to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7268">TS</a>]

02:01:12   advertising it I think it existed blind spot for Apple so you think they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7272">TS</a>]

02:01:17   say they'd never expected to be able to make this kind of stuff yeah I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7277">TS</a>]

02:01:21   think that I don't think that that Apple in 2007 when they'd agreed hey when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7281">TS</a>]

02:01:27   know the stories that have come out center that the maps app was relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7287">TS</a>]

02:01:31   late edition but it was like hey what if we did this what if we have maps and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7291">TS</a>]

02:01:34   have GPS and we can triangulate location with cell towers and we could get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7294">TS</a>]

02:01:41   really cool what if we work with Google and get a really cool version of maps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7301">TS</a>]

02:01:43   and it was cool right it was a really you know that was one of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7303">TS</a>]

02:01:50   that made the iPhone not a phone you know it was like his new thing you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7310">TS</a>]

02:01:54   live updating maps in her hand was amazing you know I didn't know that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7314">TS</a>]

02:01:58   a late addition but that makes sense and it shows that because the first iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7318">TS</a>]

02:02:01   didn't have GPS yeah yeah I didn't have GPS think it I think it was entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7321">TS</a>]

02:02:06   cellphone triangulation and WiFi network of known wi-fi locations general with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7326">TS</a>]

02:02:13   the early 12 if you if you had like a new wifi like I had used to carry around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7333">TS</a>]

02:02:20   a little airport express my suitcase I guess I still take some places but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7340">TS</a>]

02:02:25   know that way I would hook up to the hotel cities in the hotel's wifi use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7345">TS</a>]

02:02:28   Ethernet used the hotel's internet and set up the iPhone we had no idea where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7348">TS</a>]

02:02:34   was until I got off the wifi so I don't know I don't know where where we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7354">TS</a>]

02:02:43   be to think that there was a shipping thing they did that maybe that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7363">TS</a>]

02:02:47   thing about the seven years is looking back and thinking how primitive was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7367">TS</a>]

02:02:52   thing it was so advanced at the time but from in only seven years it's become I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7372">TS</a>]

02:02:58   don't know almost all the folksy to think to think about of an iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7378">TS</a>]

02:03:03   shipping without GPS now with a truly shitty camera too crazy it was like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7383">TS</a>]

02:03:12   shipped with a really nice cell phone camera and what I used to think of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7392">TS</a>]

02:03:16   cell phone camera quality as I going to get paid to do this thing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7396">TS</a>]

02:03:21   yesterday I took photos side-by-side photos with the 5s in the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7401">TS</a>]

02:03:24   iPhone and I had to figure out how to get the photos from the old iPhone to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7404">TS</a>]

02:03:31   new iphone to post on Twitter and I didn't want to go through the Mac I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7411">TS</a>]

02:03:35   just sitting there watching soccer games and stuff and I couldn't figure it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7415">TS</a>]

02:03:39   cause I couldn't send text messages cause I didn't have any so I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7419">TS</a>]

02:03:43   the SIM card for the old iPhone it was running an old version of iOS didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7423">TS</a>]

02:03:48   have a message of course there you know old reliable email you can always email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7428">TS</a>]

02:03:54   yourself something and then went to email the photo and just emailed it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7434">TS</a>]

02:04:01   myself but it didn't ask me do you want to send small medium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7441">TS</a>]

02:04:04   just send it I don't remember that and then it showed up on my new iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7444">TS</a>]

02:04:09   couple seconds later and one was only like a hundred and nine k its rocket and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7449">TS</a>]

02:04:15   then I realized nope that's how soon that was they didn't ask because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7455">TS</a>]

02:04:19   false Hayes photo was only like 200 is crazy night last thing I know we've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7459">TS</a>]

02:04:26   a long as long as I talk show standards but to me it is emblematic of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7466">TS</a>]

02:04:30   differences is is the car stuff isn't shipping yet the home automation stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7470">TS</a>]

02:04:36   isn't really shipping and I know that there's new stuff with nest the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7476">TS</a>]

02:04:41   thing that started to ship are the watches right and now they've they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7481">TS</a>]

02:04:46   shipped the first to Google wear watches and they had on-site they didn't give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7486">TS</a>]

02:04:53   them to people yet the prototypes of the month at perot types but like early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7493">TS</a>]

02:04:57   production models of the Moto 360 which is the round it it doesn't even use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7497">TS</a>]

02:05:03   whole circle yeah that's the bottom of the bottom it's not actually around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7503">TS</a>]

02:05:10   there's actually I thought it was a bug and I read so if you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7510">TS</a>]

02:05:15   pictures of the Moto 360 at the very bottom of the front face like it the 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7515">TS</a>]

02:05:19   o'clock area there's a small black bars like it's almost like a bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7519">TS</a>]

02:05:24   letterboxing of a few pixels at the bottom of the screen and apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7524">TS</a>]

02:05:28   that's a feature not a bug it's where the displayed they can display drivers I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7528">TS</a>]

02:05:34   don't know that means but I guess it's in other words for some technical reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7534">TS</a>]

02:05:40   it couldn't make the full display round I'm gonna call that a bug it's just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7540">TS</a>]

02:05:45   looks like somebody screwed up coughing and Instagram picture right will who who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7545">TS</a>]

02:05:48   when you settle on that who says well good enough it's it's it looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7548">TS</a>]

02:05:56   joke it looks as if they've Korpi had tweeted that it looks like something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7556">TS</a>]

02:06:00   that would come out of a plastic egg to me it everything about those watches and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7560">TS</a>]

02:06:06   normalizes the difference between Google and Apple and Google fans and Apple fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7566">TS</a>]

02:06:12   you know I don't mean it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7572">TS</a>]

02:06:14   fans may not be the best people who tend to be drawn to Apple products versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7574">TS</a>]

02:06:19   people who tend to be drawn to products and Sensibility yeah and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7579">TS</a>]

02:06:23   emphasizes how different we are and in fact like for example the reaction from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7583">TS</a>]

02:06:29   people who like stuff and maybe they're people who own a pair of Google glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7589">TS</a>]

02:06:39   and they attended Ohio and they were there and they got to choose the speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7599">TS</a>]

02:06:44   they gave you either the Samsung or LG rectangular and they said later in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7604">TS</a>]

02:06:49   year will give you the Moto 361 too and they had the 360 is there you can play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7609">TS</a>]

02:06:55   with in demo mode but you couldn't take it with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7615">TS</a>]

02:06:58   those people and they say I like it I've got my samsung year live on I like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7618">TS</a>]

02:07:03   it's it's nice but I you know wow the the motorists the Moto 361 is even nicer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7623">TS</a>]

02:07:08   can't wait for it right you are already admit that the one that that shipping is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7628">TS</a>]

02:07:13   so horrible that they already want the next one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7633">TS</a>]

02:07:17   it's the name I give you call something at 361 it doesn't hurt that should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7637">TS</a>]

02:07:24   like the the Moto 342 I don't know how many degrees that is but it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7644">TS</a>]

02:07:29   like maybe take 300 the Moto 300 I think that it's such a perfect example of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7649">TS</a>]

02:07:36   Steve Jobs added that you can't start with the technology and work your way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7656">TS</a>]

02:07:41   back to the product you have to start with the design and then find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7661">TS</a>]

02:07:47   technology to make it work that they've gone about this completely different in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7667">TS</a>]

02:07:50   fact even said so on stage that word where it's now possible to make a full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7670">TS</a>]

02:07:56   powered computer that you can wear on your by that the technology now exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7676">TS</a>]

02:08:01   to make a little watch sized vaguely biggest watch but you can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7681">TS</a>]

02:08:06   computer this size arrest and so here it is here we've made one you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7686">TS</a>]

02:08:12   opposed to coming up with here's something he would really want to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7692">TS</a>]

02:08:16   and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7696">TS</a>]

02:08:17   you would want to wear and then we figured out the technology to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7697">TS</a>]

02:08:20   work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7700">TS</a>]

02:08:20   it's a completely backwards it's a very different I will eat my hat if apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7700">TS</a>]

02:08:27   unveils something in the fall that even vaguely resembles these these watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7707">TS</a>]

02:08:31   defined vaguely resemble well that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7711">TS</a>]

02:08:36   I actually have the thing right here it's a Kickstarter project actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7716">TS</a>]

02:08:40   forget the name of it and it's not printed on the watch band but it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7720">TS</a>]

02:08:43   way to watch band you goodbye to put an iPad 2 square iPod nano and oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7723">TS</a>]

02:08:49   tick tock or something yeah those Apple stores to yeah and it was a Kickstarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7729">TS</a>]

02:08:55   project and I bought it and and for strapping and i screw square iPod Nano [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7735">TS</a>]

02:09:00   under arrest it was great and it's a nice rubber band and I've worn it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7740">TS</a>]

02:09:05   listening to music or podcasts while running with iPod Nano it's great you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7745">TS</a>]

02:09:09   put iPod nano and Kristen way better than strapping full-size i phone on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7749">TS</a>]

02:09:19   arm with an armband because iPod Nano is very small but these galaxies things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7759">TS</a>]

02:09:26   exactly is graceful and elegant and good looking as an iPod Nano strapped to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7766">TS</a>]

02:09:31   third party with you i think that was never designed to be a watch strap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7771">TS</a>]

02:09:34   terrorists now technically there is obviously a big improvements where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7774">TS</a>]

02:09:38   iPod Nano didn't have any kind of internet access or live connection to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7778">TS</a>]

02:09:43   your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7783">TS</a>]

02:09:44   it's an independent device and now they've got notifications and stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7784">TS</a>]

02:09:47   that so there's a big difference in terms of the actual wireless thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7787">TS</a>]

02:09:53   it just in terms of aesthetics I just can't believe that what they've come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7793">TS</a>]

02:09:56   with you know and at the interfaces no better than putting around bunches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7796">TS</a>]

02:10:03   screens in fact interfaces worse because they don't have any kind of home screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7803">TS</a>]

02:10:06   on a watch it's like you've always got these cards that you click and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7806">TS</a>]

02:10:10   no sense of where I find it very confusing in terms of spatial navigation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7810">TS</a>]

02:10:15   at least the iPod Nano has a home screen where you squeeze down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7815">TS</a>]

02:10:19   on and you've got a grid of apps like iOS which is still kinda weird iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7819">TS</a>]

02:10:24   application yeah it just doesn't quite fit on the screen that small yeah I do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7824">TS</a>]

02:10:28   get their name it as a as a tech demo or as if you saw it in a movie in the hero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7828">TS</a>]

02:10:37   had one that actually did use the full circle you think that was kind of cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7837">TS</a>]

02:10:41   as like movie you I that would look cool in the real world with the bar at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7841">TS</a>]

02:10:47   bottom line it's where the letterbox like that it just it feels like a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7847">TS</a>]

02:10:50   it feels like this is a half-baked product is trying to get out the door so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7850">TS</a>]

02:10:54   that they can get interest up for the next one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7854">TS</a>]

02:10:57   it's more about an investment in the hope that kind of works out but I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7857">TS</a>]

02:11:01   don't see how batteries gonna work out I don't see how the UI I don't know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7861">TS</a>]

02:11:06   it's me just not thinking through it enough but it's just I've not seen one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7866">TS</a>]

02:11:08   of these things with a good user experience that would stand up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7868">TS</a>]

02:11:13   yeah I I have a palpable which is seems it's broadly similar mean that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7873">TS</a>]

02:11:19   Google now stuff is a total difference but i dont give Google by personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7879">TS</a>]

02:11:25   information I don't put my flight information into Google as always the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7885">TS</a>]

02:11:29   demos are always about goddamn flights to you know I i've you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7889">TS</a>]

02:11:35   if I i've never had a flight on my watch before but I've never missed a flight so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7895">TS</a>]

02:11:39   I don't know that that's how great a Democrat is anything but I've had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7899">TS</a>]

02:11:45   device paired with my phone that shows all notifications from my phone on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7905">TS</a>]

02:11:49   wrist and makes my wrist buzz when I get a notification and its doesn't doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7909">TS</a>]

02:11:54   seem helpful at all it doesn't doesn't good for me wrong I mean I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7914">TS</a>]

02:12:01   this is going to be any more popular than public I don't think just showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7921">TS</a>]

02:12:05   notifications on your wrist is useful I do kind of like the idea of the wings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7925">TS</a>]

02:12:11   watch that you link to the other day the activity that's how I was the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7931">TS</a>]

02:12:17   I don't like about the thing is it's name but it's it's a nice looking watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7937">TS</a>]

02:12:21   it's not our fault even the website at all attractive fashionable people doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7941">TS</a>]

02:12:26   interesting things and the woman is even swimming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7946">TS</a>]

02:12:29   a wee bit of Bluetooth and it does put our distance tracking I think it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7949">TS</a>]

02:12:36   swim out to so you can I know I think I've seen from the people or activity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7956">TS</a>]

02:12:41   trackers that swimming is always been a little difficult to adjust you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7961">TS</a>]

02:12:47   it though and it it strikes you as it's it's not i mean there's no digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7967">TS</a>]

02:12:51   display is truly analog but maybe that's a smarter idea maybe there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7971">TS</a>]

02:12:55   to be done with that yeah I don't know if it's good for everybody liked to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7975">TS</a>]

02:12:58   like I said I think so as well as a typical $400 watch which in in Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7978">TS</a>]

02:13:03   terms means not at all but in terms of people who make watches could be fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7983">TS</a>]

02:13:08   little side business you know is it is it a sort of thing that a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7988">TS</a>]

02:13:11   million people are gonna buy no I don't think there's any chance of that is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7991">TS</a>]

02:13:15   something a couple of 10,000 people would buy sure which makes me wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/7995">TS</a>]

02:13:20   because it's just a minute so watching us got that dial and the dial is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8000">TS</a>]

02:13:23   the new moves from zero two hundred and and that's the kind of thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8003">TS</a>]

02:13:27   anybody any watchmaker could add that feature yeah I could see that becoming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8007">TS</a>]

02:13:33   like a new and you know that those sort of features becoming a bigger part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8013">TS</a>]

02:13:38   traditional watches there could be the next semester has that thing in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8018">TS</a>]

02:13:43   well that would be deceived like a Rolex be different as a Rolex isn't electronic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8023">TS</a>]

02:13:47   at all thats to me in the chemical watch might be cut out of all of this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8027">TS</a>]

02:13:52   there's no electronics at all which is sort of the aesthetic beauty of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8032">TS</a>]

02:13:57   mechanical watch bill like the Withings watch is quartz watch and it takes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8037">TS</a>]

02:14:01   standard watch battery but it has to be electronic to do any kind of Bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8041">TS</a>]

02:14:06   about but but most of the watches most people buying the world are quartz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8046">TS</a>]

02:14:12   watches not mechanical watches so I still think that that the highest-end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8052">TS</a>]

02:14:17   you know the mechanical automatic watches are still not gonna be part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8057">TS</a>]

02:14:21   this but the vast majority of traditional watches our courts and could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8061">TS</a>]

02:14:26   be I think its time but I think that's part of I think the fact that it runs it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8066">TS</a>]

02:14:30   advertised to run for a year on a standard watch battery is part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8070">TS</a>]

02:14:34   of that whole a design is how it works like not having to worry about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8074">TS</a>]

02:14:38   battery more than once a year is an enormous difference from the girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8078">TS</a>]

02:14:43   watches which by all accounts so far need to be charged daley like asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8083">TS</a>]

02:14:49   someone to add another device that you have to charge every day is I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8089">TS</a>]

02:14:54   an enormous barrier and in some cases a device that would take up another IP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8094">TS</a>]

02:15:00   address might not matter for you and me at home but for corporate types yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8100">TS</a>]

02:15:05   maybe I don't know I don't know did they need an IP address I thought it was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8105">TS</a>]

02:15:08   Bluetooth and I think so i dont know im instant hit him like a matching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8108">TS</a>]

02:15:12   great I think that we all blindly tolerate the fact we have to charge our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8112">TS</a>]

02:15:17   phones every day because the phones in you know we can't with none of us want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8117">TS</a>]

02:15:22   to go back to pre iPhone smartphone life it worth it even though it's an enormous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8122">TS</a>]

02:15:27   hassle whereas at some point in the decades to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8127">TS</a>]

02:15:30   abd decade to come we're not gonna have to charge your phone every day and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8130">TS</a>]

02:15:34   gonna look back on the days when we'd go to the airport and everybody was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8134">TS</a>]

02:15:39   fighting over electrical sockets and grown and grown man wearing suits are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8139">TS</a>]

02:15:44   sitting on the floor of the airport so that they can power charger because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8144">TS</a>]

02:15:48   phone was dead at three in the afternoon we can look back and think my god we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8148">TS</a>]

02:15:51   live like animals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8151">TS</a>]

02:15:53   adding another device with that sort of constant need for charging is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8153">TS</a>]

02:15:59   enormous hassle has to add two to make it worthwhile that people would actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8159">TS</a>]

02:16:03   go through with that it has to add a lot of utility I think whereas all I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8163">TS</a>]

02:16:09   take my phone out of my pocket to see who just texted me I can just look at my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8169">TS</a>]

02:16:12   rest to me doesn't cross that barrier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8172">TS</a>]

02:16:16   close in the best case scenario is not you making your flight at the best-case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8176">TS</a>]

02:16:21   scenarios not even having maps data on your wrist isn't compelling enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8181">TS</a>]

02:16:26   taking my phone in my pocket is not that hard right I don't think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8186">TS</a>]

02:16:30   difference between taking my phone out of my pocket vs slipping my rest to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8190">TS</a>]

02:16:37   watch face visible is that much of a difference yes it is easier to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8197">TS</a>]

02:16:42   my rest so I know and I do wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8202">TS</a>]

02:16:44   regular wrist watch when I want to see what time it is I do just look at my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8204">TS</a>]

02:16:47   wrist I don't take out my phone but the difference isn't that great for most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8207">TS</a>]

02:16:51   things like it totally makes sense to me it makes a lot of sense to me how an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8211">TS</a>]

02:16:56   awful lot of people especially as they skew younger say I don't understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8216">TS</a>]

02:17:01   you'd want to wear a timepiece wristwatch I just look at my phone like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8221">TS</a>]

02:17:04   it's not that big a difference and that to me is the entire reason these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8224">TS</a>]

02:17:08   do exist other than the fitness tracking which there's a lot of awful lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8228">TS</a>]

02:17:14   subtle solutions out there right you somebody's worried if it but you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8234">TS</a>]

02:17:18   know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8238">TS</a>]

02:17:19   somebody's galaxy y her live SmartWatch and you know it because they've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8239">TS</a>]

02:17:25   giant brick unrest if if only they could put on their face so I think these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8245">TS</a>]

02:17:29   things are done on rival going nowhere and predict that if if Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8249">TS</a>]

02:17:34   something risk wearable to show this fall that it won't resemble these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8254">TS</a>]

02:17:38   it's similar to the argument to it the Daily Show thing about the Google glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8258">TS</a>]

02:17:47   explorers yes the the ability to access that information with Google glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8267">TS</a>]

02:17:56   without looking away from the person it's a similar argument being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8276">TS</a>]

02:18:01   see the time without taking different in your pocket or to see your notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8281">TS</a>]

02:18:06   that taking your phone in your pocket it takes a certain kind of person for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8286">TS</a>]

02:18:09   to be worthwhile it feels more like I think we can do with technology rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8289">TS</a>]

02:18:13   than solving a real problem yeah I it doesn't seem just seems like you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8293">TS</a>]

02:18:19   solved a very very small problem which is that on my phone out of my pocket and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8299">TS</a>]

02:18:23   then you have to have your phone with you can't go out without the phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8303">TS</a>]

02:18:26   still have a connection because you're not a Bluetooth rain so you can't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8306">TS</a>]

02:18:29   go for a run and leave your phone at home and do all the things you do on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8309">TS</a>]

02:18:33   your phone because you've lost the connection it doesn't solve that bike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8313">TS</a>]

02:18:36   that would be a true that would be a real problem solved but I think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8316">TS</a>]

02:18:41   social problem is that the real thing you don't want to do is take your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8321">TS</a>]

02:18:44   out to look at a notification you're talking to somebody so you're not there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8324">TS</a>]

02:18:48   not solving that problem they're just masking yeah and if you get if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8328">TS</a>]

02:18:52   at your watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8332">TS</a>]

02:18:52   and it's important notification you can have to do it anyway and if it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8332">TS</a>]

02:18:56   important notification why you getting a notification and it doesn't it at no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8336">TS</a>]

02:19:02   point has ever been played too kindly check your watchman talking to somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8342">TS</a>]

02:19:05   when the other things to do drives me nuts whenever I've tried and ratings and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8345">TS</a>]

02:19:08   read defaults to showing a lot more notifications and all notifications put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8348">TS</a>]

02:19:12   an icon in the status bar and I noticed during Ohio even on the demos that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8352">TS</a>]

02:19:17   cleaned-up prepared demos for the software that status bar was just chock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8357">TS</a>]

02:19:22   full of notifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8362">TS</a>]

02:19:23   you know there's like three gmail icon because you've got three new messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8363">TS</a>]

02:19:27   for Gmail and I can't believe it doesn't drive people that like walking into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8367">TS</a>]

02:19:32   somebody's house and disorganized I got stuff all over the place like dirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8372">TS</a>]

02:19:37   dishes out says I look around my office got like literally like 447 cardboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8377">TS</a>]

02:19:45   boxes from Amazon yet but if your gonna show pictures of your your home can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8385">TS</a>]

02:19:49   clean it up now well we keep my office I don't know I can't help but think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8389">TS</a>]

02:19:58   this is going to be another one of those things where Apple shows a wearable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8398">TS</a>]

02:20:03   looks nothing like these things does something different and the other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8403">TS</a>]

02:20:06   too and that's just too tired all is a go back seven years celebrate the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8406">TS</a>]

02:20:10   anniversary the other thing about the original iPhone seven years ago is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8410">TS</a>]

02:20:14   they first shipped it or showed it on stage it seemed too good to be true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8414">TS</a>]

02:20:18   there was this and and famously like rim had like a meeting the next day where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8418">TS</a>]

02:20:24   they they just their conclusion was Apple is lying about the capabilities of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8424">TS</a>]

02:20:28   this device because it can't do the things that they're saying it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8428">TS</a>]

02:20:31   last all day like there's nothing about these Google where the Android wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8431">TS</a>]

02:20:39   watches even the Moto 320 that makes anybody say I can't believe that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8439">TS</a>]

02:20:46   were able to build that this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8446">TS</a>]

02:20:48   well it doesn't help that they're sitting there telling everybody how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8448">TS</a>]

02:20:50   works but thats good thing is talking about here is how we got this together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8450">TS</a>]

02:20:55   yeah but there's no aspect of the technology that that that is surprising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8455">TS</a>]

02:20:59   or seems like wow that should that seems like it's from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8459">TS</a>]

02:21:03   the future it's dead sort of Android Google's index philosophy thing away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8463">TS</a>]

02:21:10   anytime you see even even the more popular Linux apps or the things that go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8470">TS</a>]

02:21:17   it all has that error of people sitting around like a modern-day version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8477">TS</a>]

02:21:22   those electronics kiss you goodbye Radio Shack here's the stuff and here's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8482">TS</a>]

02:21:27   we can do it the stuff and I made you a video right which is cool if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8487">TS</a>]

02:21:30   bunch of kids making a hobby type thing our university project is pointless if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8490">TS</a>]

02:21:36   its major initiative from you know one of the 10 biggest corporations in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8496">TS</a>]

02:21:43   world that wants to make a product for a billion people like if I went over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8503">TS</a>]

02:21:47   test and there is a kid showing off a wearable that was like Google glass I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8507">TS</a>]

02:21:52   really impressed more of the same thing with these watches right I would be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8512">TS</a>]

02:21:58   very impressive looking like I get right Dave presenting their presenting this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8518">TS</a>]

02:22:05   something that maybe millions of people will be buying for Christmas this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8525">TS</a>]

02:22:08   and I think that it's not going to happen and I think Apple is either a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8528">TS</a>]

02:22:14   gonna show nothing and they're not going to get into this or be there gonna show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8534">TS</a>]

02:22:17   something that very different and then all of a sudden next year's Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8537">TS</a>]

02:22:20   Android wear watches will look an awful lot like the one that Apple unveiled at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8540">TS</a>]

02:22:26   the end of 2014 and all the Google people are gonna be like yeah but we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BtuzhM8OU/8546">TS</a>]

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