The Talk Show

00:00:00 ◼   ► you got a bigger role on the show I don't doubt I would never really talked [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► about it but you at you now have significantly I mean second to me maybe [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► even more than me bigger role on the show I gotta tell you the the editing on [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► your show lately has been outstanding so Dave whiskey is now does the editing of [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► the show I don't we actually were just talking about this the other day I have [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► actually never listened to it complete episode of talk-show I don't think I [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► have a well when when I'm doing the Edit sometimes I'm just looking for you know [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► where things overlap demanded by both the whole thing going and doing but the [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► editing part I'm just looking for it's kind of like looking at the matrix how [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► long does it take it a person of the talk show like a two-hour episode will [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► take about two hours in real time [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► about yeah I think most people takes usually about 1.5 bar code seems to say [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► it takes him around three hours 44 natpe well that's if the show is more than two [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► people a two-person show is pretty easy to add it because things don't you don't [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► you don't ever run into a situation where three people were trying to talk [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► at the same time right now that's probably the biggest problem is because [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► your your professional always has three people because it's you and Jamie and [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► the guests and I pretty much have to listen to the show every second of the [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► audio to make sure that things are right now it's sometimes people monologue a [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► little bit and that gives me a chance to skip had a couple of seconds it's not [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► like I'm listening to make sure that there and I was there I know what they [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► said so I don't have to worry about content I'm listening for audio and when [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► things overlap and make sure it's not weird background noise and stuff like [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► crosstalk is not as is a big problem with three people yet and it's it's you [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► know someone person will stop talking and then the other two might go to say [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► something and you get that that handshake thing of oh no sorry go ahead [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► no you go ahead it's weird I'm in a weird position that I [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► well I'm not on it I don't listen to that many podcasts [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► trying to listen more but my my my percentage of average week that I'm [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► recording a podcast is pretty close to the percentage of a week that I listen [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► to podcasts so I'm like very very close to being you know recording as many [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► podcasts I listen to at least I'm wise because I can listen to more than I [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► required to listen in like 1.5 X and whenever I'm on a show especially not [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► the show but like a special guest on some other show like with you know a guy [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► to bug like we were a couple weeks ago when we're recording a crosstalk always [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► gets to me and I think that was horrible I tried to say something clearly it was [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► like the second or so of latency with Skype and somebody else had already [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► started talking and it it is very difficult to auto corrected for the [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► guests to auto correct that like you would in real life we are recording [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► around the table you can make eye contact like a raise your finger I've [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► got a point to make but once it starts on a Skype recorded show it seems like [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► everybody wants to be polite and stop but then that's you know I mean yeah and [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► it seems like this could be solved the software either I guess there's an [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► argument to be made for it everybody just does skype video then you're [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► looking at each other but that doesn't quite cover now I guess you could do [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► with being where somebody clicks a button and they raised their hands on a [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► WebEx this but you're not here not really looking at each other with the [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► webcam looking at the camera and everybody who looks at your video feed [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► sees you the same way as opposed to you know if you're literally around the [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► table and you're talking I can specifically point to you and be like [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► you know I've got some dad yeah it's never gonna be the same as it is sit [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► around a table and it always shows to cause I know why I remember thinking it [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► was a strikingly good podcast was the episode of debug debug I have so many [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► got themselves but it was the one that [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► they recorded the day after the WBC count or maybe it was the day but it was [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► they but they went to Macworld office and used borrowed Mac world's podcast [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► studio yeah and they had so many gas they had they cannot like six or seven [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► people I am a 70 is a bunch of really smart people you know Ryan Iranians and [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► I nelson rose on trance resign you know as a bit more than Africa but it was [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► great and I just had this is gonna be crazy they're gonna be crossed talking [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► over each other but because they were in the same room it was actually remarkably [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► well-organized a modified by the fact that guy and Renee and then Ryan and [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► reinsert just the nicest people in nobody's gonna try to be a jerk in their [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► room so you edit the podcast now you're doing the editing for the talk show has [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► it gone I mean it's it's adding I can only get it forces me to listen to the [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► show the forces me to listen to the show in a different way like you I don't [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► spend a ton of time listening to podcasts and that I don't want to it's [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► that I don't have a commute I don't have liked that time every day where I that [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► would be my habit so having having somebody else's show it at it so [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► unprofessional have done that from us two years I edit the TV show the things [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► they do it for now but that's like I was there during recording so it's not the [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► same kind of listening so interesting to listen and try to make editorial choices [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► while it goes rather than having a list in my head of things I just need a [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► knockout and then the other thing you're doing so we talk about the standard by [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► which I mean it's weird like its a secret but we haven't talked about it is [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► you're also [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► handling the sponsorships for the show when people want to sponsor the show [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► they're really they're going to get in contact with you right but it's weird [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► it's we are sort of maybe it's probably my fault where the transition transition [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► from you all to hosting an enduring fireball was sort of one weird thing at [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► a time and now it's like we're up off the air and it's working and nobody's [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► complaining at all I don't have any complaints so it seems like the feed [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► keeps working you know how cloud hosting has worked just fine [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► nobody really seems to have mister B download numbers are completely on par [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► with where they were [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► I'll say this about editing it's forced me to re-evaluate audio quality people [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► more pills and your show them my show and so suddenly after care about how how [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► well encoded in mp3 or so change my workflow there why do you why do you use [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► mp3 instead of you know I really thought about it babe I my assumption is that [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► mp3 it can be the thing that the most people would be able to play yeah that's [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► what I would too that's why I've always gone with that I guess I didn't choose [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► with your when I was with me all that was just sent a Mario and and the [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► podcast one up and there was no choice but they would do you know the show's [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► been mp3 as long as I can remember I think ATP those EAC that wouldn't [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► surprise me that something America thing to do [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► seems like something I would do too I don't know I would be very surprised if [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► the percentage of people who listen to the talk show who would have a problem [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► if I switched from mp3 to AAC if it was more than one percent when we can [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► certainly try it now what's the point I kind of like mp3 is the one that also [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► going to be most likely to be listening listenable 200 years mp3 is like its own [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► brand people know it mp3 is even on computer people know it mp3 is a AC [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► might have some technical you know [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► we're at the same sort of stupid things to argue about 10 years ago we're at the [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► same rate you know you can get a couple you know twenty percent more songs but [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► now it's like nobody nobody cares about that whole point was that at a certain [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► point when the iPod switch from mp3 to m4r added AAC support and the iTunes [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► Store is using AC they went from like like five gigabytes was what you needed [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► for a thousand songs to 4 gigabytes because the same quality by somebody is [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► clearly subjective measurement you know you can have the same quality of audio [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► and save 20% on storage my matter little bit more because the podcast is a lot [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► longer than a song and people are downloading these things nowadays mostly [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► over the air right and people want to and a lot of cases download them over [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► cellular call the podcast clients have to negotiate a sort of tricky set of [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► preferences in manual controls so that you're not downloading over cellular [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► without knowing that you're doing it because you could blow right through the [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► data cap easily yeah that would be a rude awakening you've run out of date [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► and it's all right forecasts for you know and do go overseas or something [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► like that and the data cap might be expensive [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► be very small right like 50 bucks for 250 megabytes well that might be the [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► whole you know you know one episode of the show might be too but you want to [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► enable it to some people do want that some people might have if you have any [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► gigabyte Verizon monthly plan you might want to download or you know just you [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► know you really might do some people who really do want that iPhone to just treat [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► wifi and cellular identically yeah I'm never when I'm at home come anywhere [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► near my data plan but when I travel time I got rising and does that thing after [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► after a hundred megs or something like that created as it charges you another [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► $25 if I'm gone for two weeks I've spent like to $300 and data yeah I don't think [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► I spent the whole time and there is always wifi [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► maybe that was it although now that I mention this to you in making a note to [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► myself I don't think I did that then I was supposed to do which was every time [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► I go to Verizon before I go over the country and I add to my plan the 250 [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► megabytes for 20 bucks thing for international data but then you like a [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► month later when your next bill comes you gotta go on and turn it off [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► otherwise you're paying for it every month yeah may or may not have just paid [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► foreign man I just got a few days ago and I saw that is still on there from [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► April or whenever where there is it's funny because he used to I know last [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► year did that thing you do the things we get the temporary SIM card because you [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► go over to the Amsterdam to write what you doing over there to do the two SIM [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► card thing or do you just pay Verizon when I was living there what I did was I [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► went to the tmobile store and it's like 10 10 euros or something 441 gave data [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► and that's pretty cheap and you can run on a gig for about a month of just no [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► normal daily checking Twitter and stuff like that so I just used a tmobile sim [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► when I was over there for a longer term if this is gonna be a week or something [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► I'll stick with rising and deal with the ridiculous data charges and iMessage the [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► way that I messaged bridges SMS though is it gets screwy when you change your [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► phone number with the woods and put it with putting a temporary SIM card right [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► suddenly those messages that should be going to your phone number are now going [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► who knows where right and you might be sending messages from a phone number [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► that you don't want people to ever sent you again in the future and right and [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► you can [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► you know you can usually usually when I'm sending somebody who I know how I [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► prefer to send address it to their email address rather than their phone number [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► as I feel like it's more permanent but I don't know I just remember that the year [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► before I ran it all sorts of it was great price wise getting a temporary SIM [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► card it was like more data than I could use while I was in Ireland for very very [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► reasonable price but it was very confusing I message was it's a it's a [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► big hassle my when I was living over in Amsterdam my my nightly ritual my [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► routine was that when I get home I would pop the sim out but my old sim in and [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► give it five minutes to see if any messages came in and then stop them back [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► I don't know what to suggest Apple because it's such a weird edge case and [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► I don't want to suggest I I but I want somehow be able to tell the i phone use [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► this sim card only for data [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► you know me just keep using my number yeah this is not a phone number just use [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► this sim card for data gets it somehow that's the edge case where the way that [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► we as a technical culture have conflated the legacy telephone network where you [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► have this unique worldwide unique phone number with just give me the internet [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► which is really all I want I have no desire whatsoever [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► 0 ever to use the actual phone or text messaging with a temporary SIM card all [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► I want is IP networking and there's but there's no way to tell the iPhone it [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► seems like I don't know if this is iowa 7 I was a but lately when I have to do [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► something like that it still says my phone number so I don't know if maybe [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► they've changed it to where the phone number can linger even if you get rid of [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► your city how does it work with the iPad when you have a cellular iPad you do [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► have a phone number they get it says it like when you go into your settings to [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► deal with you know whatever carrier is that you have it tells you a phone or [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► SIM card for an iPad has a phone number but I don't think you can ever received [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► text messages at that number no man can't imagine that's probably just like [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► a [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► I don't know a function of it being a SIM card so I don't know I guess it's [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► not a confusing I guess so I guess what I want is a way to tell an iPhone to go [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► into iPad load and this use of this sim card only for data there's also an [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► argument to be made for give me two sim slots yeah but that's confusing because [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► I don't want people sending text messages while I'm out of the country [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► because it's a sign that much money but it's you know it's annoying if somebody [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► who actually has like an Android phone send you a text cause I don't know your [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► country and you paid two dollars just to receive it [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► get for talking with us people in any way back to the matter talk about the [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► show so so one reason I would never come up you know that you were down selling [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► the show the sponsorships for this show and your show and rents and and Chris [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► paris's show I've never read reason to bring it up is that this shows [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► sponsorships have been sold out for a while and they're still so that I think [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► the delay we're recording right now on June 30 and they're sold out through [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► August right yeah there's nothing open in the last week of August so there's [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► been no reason to publicize it but for anybody who's curious if you're out [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► there you listen I've never had to bring this up before does it take to shows you [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► know lucky enough that it's been sold out and we have so many repeat sponsors [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► who keep buying up spots but anybody has ever been curious you have a product or [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► something he thought maybe I should sponsor the talk show you can go to [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► standard with a recall in standard . FM is the website ya go to standard and go [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► from there and then you can show yeah it's pretty much it ends with people [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► emailing me not a podcast never know we're very careful about that there's a [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► I think there's so much discussion going into this about how can we do this [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► without being another podcast now it's just a way to its like the one aspect of [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► a podcast network that that we wanted which is [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► that way less work for one person to sell sponsorships from multiple shows [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► than it is for each show to book their own sponsorships really what it came [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► down to it I realized with me having to sell my own spots for unprofessional [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► just made sense and you were gonna be leaving you land and everybody had one [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► problem like all of us that are we all had the same problems as well you know [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► what I'm doing it from mine would it be easier it probably would be easier if I [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► have I could go to sponsors and say well we're a group and make other things [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► happen [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► yeah it's just a lot and it's one of those things where that a little bit of [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► collectivism saves a lot of work yet and I mean there's a sort of tangible [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► benefit to Q branch to where I if if brent is working on code and not [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► worrying about how he's gonna sell sponsorship for his podcasters website [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► then that's an upside for us take that moment and thank our first sponsor to [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► good friends [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► speaking of repeat sponsors are good friend of Warby Parker Warby Parker was [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► founded with the rebellious spirit and a lofty objective to create boutique [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► quality classically crafted I were a revolutionary price point as I say go to [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► work your partner he can get really cool I glasses at way less than what you [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► would pay well as retail boutique places and at the cheap I boutique places [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► you're not going to get glasses that look as partners it's that simple [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► really they should not cost as much as an iPhone prescription glasses at Warby [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► Parker started in ninety five bucks including the prescription lenses they [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► have a titanium collection that starts at 1:45 if you go shopping for [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► eyeglasses recently you know those prices are way way they don't joke [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► around with upsells on all the stuff you've won anyway like antireflective [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► anti glare coating it comes to who doesn't want that who wants glare [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► and reflections on their glasses could have easily Scotland's is giving the [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► glasses that are made out of that plastic that they made the first iPod [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► nanos [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► where if you look at it funny they get scratched no of course not you want all [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► the good stuff and this is the thing and I have heard this before but it really [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► works you think while wait I do care about all my classes like I care of my [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► face I don't know how can i buy these things over the internet and get a pair [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► of glasses that are gonna look good on me because you know you might see a pair [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► on web pages and what that looks cool but you don't have a good idea well [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► they've got a couple of things they've got like a webcam type thing where you [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► can and it works pretty amazingly well we just snap a picture of yourself in [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► front of the webcam and then they they measure the stuff like your nose in your [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► distance and you pick a pair of glasses and they like you know imposing over [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► your face but the other thing that this is the big deal is that they have this [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► try at home today you pick five pairs that you like they send them to you [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► without prescription lenses trying to get a nice little box open it up there [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► they are there is your five classes you can take him out try mine compared [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► against each other already with a label to ship it right back to them if you [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► like one of them you can just order right there say this is the one I like [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► this one then they send it to you put the five samples back in box set up that [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► already label send it right back [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► couldn't be easier we just didn't hear my wife just got a pair of sunglasses [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► from Warby Parker everything was exactly as described [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► she got five pairs in a box to pick the one you like the most and like literally [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► a couple days later they are with her prescription lenses couldn't be easier [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► really really happy and if anything she's picking a time that the pretty [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► brilliant setup yeah it really is and and I think it's no surprise that [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► so many people I know so many people who have classes from them and I've never [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► heard anybody said you know everybody's really really happy with it so where do [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► you go to find out easy Warby Parker dot com slash the talk-show Warby Parker dot [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► com slash the talk-show recommend them very highly go check them out to those [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► work with Google ask you no then I don't think it do yet but you did you joke [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► they were mentioned though at some point like a year ago they were mentioned as a [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► partner that was helping to protect by you know stylized class I don't know if [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► that fell through or if it still could be the last week they key after a [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► drummer who was it it's some fashion brand that I don't recall off the top of [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► my head that they did release a bunch of designer frames for Google glass I can't [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► remember Diane something that's that's close enough and you know they just look [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► really really like Google did everything wrong with you can do it right i mean [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► when you have like a two inch by one inch battery pack behind her right ear [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► you know there's not much you can do it looks like you wanna go to last we have [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► a hearing problem I guess I would argue that I hope the grass always looks like [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► Google glass so I can spot it you know what that's too complicated and talked [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► about this with people on the show before where it let's face it though [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► that's not going to happen and I like like just in terms of of being a [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► technical damn Google glass is is in the grand scheme of technology is you know [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► it's amazing it's like jet jet packs and flying cars it's something you've always [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► thought about as a kid as you could put head-up display in front of your eyes in [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► real life and it's you know in the grand scheme of things pretty small and [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► real-world practical use it's nowhere near small enough to be unnoticeable [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► but if that's where we are today in 2014 or where we were in 2012 I guess what [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► came out you know I don't think it's gonna be shocking if ten years from now [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► you can make a pair of glass that doesn't look different from a pair of [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► regular eyeglasses and I'm sure I mean look at our house how much smaller [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► cameras have gotten i mean the camera seems like it'd probably be easier part [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► to make indistinguishable to somehow hide in the frame of the glasses [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► really comes down to the battery even the heads of the display part there's [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► other things they can do to either build that into your your eyeglass lens or [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► what they do in cars for the projection something yeah I agree the battery is [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► probably a bigger bigger challenge and the display part I don't somehow the [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► figure out a way to make it so that it's it's integrated in the lands as opposed [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► to a weird things to come out and you know it's gonna be a weird thing when [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► you don't know whether people are recording you are not I think I think [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► it's a foolish to think that we're not gonna have to deal with that in our [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► lifetimes clearly coming is it is it maybe they were old fuddy-duddy is when [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► we came from an era before this and it's going to be just like [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► I don't know at the gas station where we don't think about that we don't feel [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► like that's invasion of privacy maybe I kid born today by the time they're old [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► enough they're never gonna think of something like Google glasses being [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► invasive yeah I think so I think it's something like that where it it just [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► becomes part of the world around you and you accept you have to accept it because [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► you don't have a choice you know I think that if you went back thirty or forty [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► years and told people about a world where everybody can send and receive [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► phone calls anywhere they are at any point dinner car anywhere you can just [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► always be reached your phone is ringing any time you can always call us anytime [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► to dinner and talking on the phone at tables near you they would say that [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► sounds I would think they would have a similar reaction to the way I feel about [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► people being able to record me at any time [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► yeah yeah probably I think you know if version of me that would have been my [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► age now then we'll probably have an anxiety attack the thought of that [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► yeah it's an appealing and I said I but I'm a person who thinks it relatively [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► unappealing to get phone calls you know I mean I tend to not answer my phone [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► usually so and I don't get them 'cause period anyway you know from person now [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► and even someone who want to talk to you like my dad calls me I like talking to a [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► couple times a week and talk about baseball or whatever but if I'm like out [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► if I'm like waiting in line at the supermarket pay and my dad cause we are [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► just gonna send a right to voicemail call home [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► like I think it's crazy when people do things like pick up the phone when you [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► know for something that's not an immediate you know I give you get a call [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► from your kids school where you want to answer that right away cause who knows [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► maybe its emergency but if it's just my dad calling I mean why would I take that [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► phone call in the supermarket kills me is the people who will answer the phone [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► when they're in the passenger seat of a car I have ever seen that [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► it's it's just rude cuz if you have a driver you're you're now trapped in a [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► situation where you're you're somebody chauffeured you're listening to one half [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► of a conversation at this weird yeah we're like you know people are out to [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► you know it's like a table for four [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► restaurant and somebody just answers random starts talking it seems very [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► strange to view larger baseball game at dinner [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► yeah but I don't turn the volume up you don't you don't think there's a similar [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► sort of thing happening there were there is no there's the the rudeness of [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► causing noise disturb other people and then there's the how how engaged are you [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► with the people around you as I can criticizing use its point taken [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► you know it's probably not the most played 10 that I do I don't do it all [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► the time ya know then that i think is really that different from somebody [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► checking Twitter at the table or whatever it's it's it's it's all on a [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► spectrum and then way and if you went back and talked about it go back twenty [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► thirty years it all seems pretty rude and you know that the devices are [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► driving more attention than other people around us at the baseball thing it's a [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► comical example of something that we all do well I'll check your phone even if [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► it's just a my my phone buzzed in my pocket no excuse myself for my most [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► polite I'm still ignoring somebody for a minute yeah and we're all a little [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► hypocritical about it where the things that we love most about waterfront lez [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► do we think are ok and the things we don't care about our route so I don't [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► like talking on the phone I don't get many phone calls so I'll blather on [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► about how rude it is that people talk on the phone but I love watching Yankees [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► and so you know I think being able to watch the Yankees game while I is [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► amazing technology so I admit that but I admit I have the self-awareness to admit [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► that I'm being a hypocrite to present it that way I wish that Verizon would give [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► me 20 minutes plan thirty minutes but I use about 35 minutes a month I would [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► happily pay less I don't even know what we get we use a lot we've shared pool in [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► Amite speaks on the phone [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► but we don't think we coming close to using all the minutes I think that the [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► we're at the point even know even if he uses her phone even close to using any [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► you know what they gave us the crazy based on measurement yeah like AOL yeah [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► I mean does anybody is there anybody who needs like extra minutes I guess are [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► some people who have a job that they're really truly on the phone all the time [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► real estate agent or something like that you know that some jobs you really are [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► on your cell phone making phone calls all day every day but I don't know they [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► have to pay extra for that it just seems like everybody has unlimited plans some [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► people have the $100 just for the phone part of it or something but you get [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► effectively or literally unlimited talk time it why not make that the standard I [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► don't know maybe just a holdover from the fact that they're kind of a there in [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► their moving into just being a dumb carrier at this point speaking of rude [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► and callous behavior to see this thing you had to see it came out over the [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► weekend that Facebook had been running a psychological experiment where they took [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► a 600,000 700,000 users and half of them they randomly tried to algorithmically [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► make their feed a little happier and the other half they tried to make it a [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► little sadder and then tried to measure with like certain keywords like through [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► for the remainder of the week were the things that those people those two pools [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► posted a little did indicated they were in better or worse moods and the answer [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► was yes that actually did seem to have some sort of effect on their mood that [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► the people whose bid was to make them happier seem to be happier and then 12 [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► hurdled to [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► and I guess I i mean this in turn I got some feedback on Twitter and an email [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► from people saying that it's it's not helpful for me to say I'm I did Justin [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► my responses I'm surprised that people are surprised and I'm with you on that [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► because this is what Facebook does so for example compare and contrast to if [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► the same thing had been announced about twitter twitter is screwy company and I [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► don't quite get their strategy I think that the people who run Twitter are not [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► very good at Twitter or they're not very good at seeing what Twitter is good for [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► but if this had come out about Twitter I would have been very I would have been [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► surprised because it doesn't sound like something Twitter would do and I would [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► have been surprised and I think it would have been appalled you know I would but [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► it would seem out of character for Twitter incorporated to do something [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► like this [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► whereas that bad to me is my point my point isn't to be so cynical is to [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► assume that all companies are doing stuff like that nobody should be [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► outraged about Facebook here because this is what they do what i'm saying is [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► open your eyes this is what Facebook does time and time again and I think [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► that's it [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► distinction I think the Twitter it would not surprise me if we found out they [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► were doing things with your night with your stream but evaluating your stream [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► for advertising might even do that now I don't know but anything anything about [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► that they get a googly sort of way [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► looking at your stuff and then using that to decide what other stuff they [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► show you I by that I don't be offended by that but trying to manipulate me [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► emotionally I don't know though maybe and I people you know I don't want to be [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► too callous about it and I think it clearly shows [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► makes Facebook as a corporation come across as incredibly cows it's really no [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► doubt about it but some people like it sounds like you're one of them really [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► feel like anything [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► related to attempting to manipulate people's emotions is just crossing the [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► sort of at the goal line that that should not be crossed [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► whereas I would say isn't every advertisement in an attempt to [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► manipulate people emotionally I i agree with that and I would say that it's not [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► the it's not that they're trying to manipulate me emotionally it's that [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► they're willing to manipulate me emotionally in a negative way if there [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► if they're all true my timeline to try to make me happier if it works great if [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► they're true my timeline to try to make me sad that's not okay yeah but you [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► can't do the science without having like a control group I'm not trying to defend [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► it I'm just saying I can kind of see their perspective if your gonna be sick [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► bastards see to me the part that defensive is is is not that they tried [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► to make some sadness I'm happy it I I don't think that they tried to make [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► rupaul suicide I haven't read enough details I would like to i'd be curious [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► to see if you were in one of the two groups what the difference would be like [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► here's what you're for example users feed would've looked like if they [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► weren't chosen for it at all [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► well they probably do things like if you're if you're single they're gonna [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► show you lots of posts of people getting married and having babies and so can [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► make you feel better relationship emphasize other peoples relationships [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► are some things out and exactly but I'm curious I haven't seen a lot of details [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► about exactly how they did the manipulation [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► the guy who did it just wrote a response I haven't read it yet but apparently I [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► mean he's gone on record as saying here's here's why we did we did it just [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► it there's a certain tone deafness to them that they that they seem to be [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► surprised there are people reacting this way because it's not like this was a [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► secret internal project that had a whistleblower leaked it on paper they [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► published in a real scientific journal you know they published it they were [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► proud of the science behind in their minds that people would be grossed out [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► by the raid that that this might be something they [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► wouldn't want to tell people that they're doing like there is obviously a [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► very strange culture their Facebook that it never even occurred to them that [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► people might be offended by this I mean a/b testing with people's mental health [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► that's the kind of thing that I don't know me if if they like to opt in like [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► here's a new program we're doing well you did but that's what they're saying [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► is that everybody every single user of Facebook has opted-in [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► in that if you read their privacy statement [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► that there is you know clearly you know there's an some people have even called [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► it out there is even you know I did even specifically says that some about [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► research you know who reads that nobody cuz it's ok and it is super long and [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► they probably show it to you in like six point type but it is there and that part [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► of the argument is that everybody has hasn't coached you know he can you [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► imagine Apple doing something like that and saying well if you would have read [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► that iTunes update agreement that was all there but I think the the most [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► upsetting part to me it's like as a designer I think to myself though the [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► way the part of why I think that would never do something like this is Twitter [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► you're seeing the stream and the value is in having all of that data the value [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► to you like there's an expectation that all of the tweets are gonna be there and [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► Facebook's approaches you're not you're not a Facebook user so I guess you don't [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► get to see this have to happen I'm really anxious to sign up now but they [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► do a thing where they don't show you a timeline they show you it's kind of a [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► timeline but they order it however they want right and so when you when you open [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► the Facebook app on your phone it pushes you to the top [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► it's going to go top or it leaves you in the same spot you would like a sort of [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► Jackie tap here to load more kind of a thing but I go to the top like there's [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► no rhyme or reason to why the things are ordered the way they are they do it the [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► thing is the top isn't the newest thing and it doesn't even seem to be the most [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► important to most interesting and and my guess is that the manipulation is that [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► right and maybe they make things that they their algorithm says hey this seems [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► like something is going to make Dave feel good you know I don't know somebody [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► like a friend who is on vacation in this algorithm likely looks like happy [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► photograph was gonna make Dave feel good blood put the photograph radio at the [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► top you know yet and it bothers me that they would make editorial decisions [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► about what I do and do not see when I have intentionally befriended or [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► followed all of these people would suggest that my behavior was suggested I [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► wanna see all of those things like meet you [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► and it does seem III and I do think I think maybe that's the core of what [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► really rubbed people the wrong way here maybe is gonna give this scandal some [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► legs maybe is is the fact that they tried to make people feel that you [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► mentioned that specifically right it would be different too if what they did [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► was if they tried three different algorithms to make people feel better [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► about themselves and group a workgroup be it didn't see it actually had the [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► detrimental effect and made rights groups feel bad they didn't try to do it [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► but it ends up that if you only show them pictures of such and such that it [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► actually makes them feel bad and you can you imagine the headlines there's also a [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► Facebook and make you happier right as opposed to the fact that they set out to [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► me to make people feel some some group of people feel a little worse Facebook [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► intentionally one in some part of its user base to be less happy than the fact [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► that that's part of what would make what four years has kept me from using [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► facebook like even wanting to sign up is that I just don't get it i dont get what [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► in the field whereas I i especially old Twitter like but unlike the Twitter they [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► still mostly get through third-party clients is I know exactly what's gonna [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► be in my feed its the tweet from the people I've chosen to follow ordered in [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► the order that they've sent them [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► chronological list of tweets from people who I have decided to follow and I know [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► it in my mentioned dream people who typed at River in the order that they've [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► sent those tweets talked about and I know exactly what that is and I know [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► what they're going to look like and it's it's theirs I can integrity to it [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► whereas to me that this the Facebook what it would you call it the feed feed [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► him there's no integrity to it if if it's arbitrarily you know ordered in [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► I don't get it that it to me it seems like why would i SAT there and then [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► there's an inner circle you see in me that once I just want to know the rules [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► right I want to know the rules for what this is going to be yeah exactly that's [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► my biggest complaint as a Facebook user right I mean I guess I have a complete [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► my biggest is that I just don't know what i'm looking at I like my email [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► inbox I know exactly what it is somebody knows my email address type in the email [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► to that address and they've sent it and then it comes in and my mail client will [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► display those messages chronological order giving Facebook does like that is [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► they they surely this list of people you may know and I get a lecture one out of [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► two hundred I actually now I don't know who it is too close to it and does that [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► for me and it's actually pretty remarkable because I like and I see it a [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► lot like when I'm checking the daring fireball account is the daring fireball [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► account doesn't follow anybody and they'll say hey maybe you want to start [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► following people how about these people be like Amy Krueger Brent Simmons and [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► you know yeah exactly that's actually pretty good to get those people [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► yeah I need to take a spider and thank our second puncher and we'll move on we [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► get to the real part of the show I want to thank our good friends at transporter [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► that's the company name is connected data they've responded to show before [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► basic idea you buy a little bit hardware from them to call the transporter set up [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► a home network install a little bit of software on your Mac and all of a sudden [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► you've got effectively your own little private Dropbox folder on your Mac put [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► files in the folder they get synced to the transporter little device with [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► stories on it in your house now here's where it gets more interesting it's only [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► stored on the transporter there is no cloud storage the cloud is only use [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► add for negotiating from your network in other words bridging through your home [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► router and stuff like that the actual data storage is only written to disk on [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► your device you can buy more than one device you can have one at your home or [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► office [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► one in two different locations and they come up to the same account and they'll [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► do exactly what you think they'll do just sink together and both be complete [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► copies of each other so you can find other transport users and you can do [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► things like setup shared folders and say here's a folder on my transporter share [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► it with Dave whiskas and now we both have access to that folder and we both [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► know here's where the datastore destroyed on my transporter and your [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► transporter because their shared folders between us and that's a big big [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► difference between sharing stuff in the cloud and for some people a lot of you I [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► know this I've heard of people who listen to the show for legal reasons a [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► lot of people people work in the medical industry and I'm sure other places where [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► there's NDA's and stuff like that [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► you legally are not allowed to share certain data on devices were you don't [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► have complete control over the device you can't put things on something like [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► iCloud or Dropbox because its legal implications as to where you can store [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► the data really works great [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► really really different from the cloud storage applications so if you need that [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► for you want it just for the privacy implications of it even just for your [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► own personal privacy there's nothing else like it on the market they have two [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► main ways to go about it the regular transporter models come with your choice [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► 500 gigabyte one terabyte two terabyte capacities you can go they use this code [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► TTS 10 pts the talk show 10 and you'll save 10% off your purchase of any one of [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► those devices up to 35 bucks go to File transporter store.com filed transporter [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► store.com and you can buy one the other thing you can do though is you can [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► provide your own USB Drive any USB Drive [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► and you can buy it more like a little puck durable little thing called the [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► transporter sink and it's the same functionality exact same functionality [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► but you just pick your own USB hard drives you maybe even have a USB hard [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► drive sitting around her office that you can already use you can save 20 bucks on [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► one of those costs a lot less forget about percentages just save 20 bucks use [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► this code TTS 20 all orders using those two coats TTS 10 TTS 20 get free [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► shipping and no lasting here's a lasting are you wondering if transporters rape [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► you here's the thing by one start using it and for 30 days [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► completely risk-free satisfaction guarantee so use those codes pts 10 TDS [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► 2002 file transporter store.com check it out by the one you want you have 30 days [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► you don't like it just send it right back to my thanks to transport by one [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► and just stick it in a corner an Apple store not tell anybody that the first [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► made a different one day long on how long that lasts about know about that [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► there's a sort of about it wouldn't last bit past the end of the day I'm sure [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► they do a sweep yeah because they have to clean up all the machines nonstop [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► basis i mean i i think that there's a checklist procedure they go through to [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► make each one like store closes at seven by by eight o'clock it's back in mint [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► condition do you think that when they close down an Apple store before they [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► open up the Apple store and I mean like permanently morning and evening do you [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► think they wipe down the the devices yeah I mean I mean physically I do I [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► found they clean up the fingerprints for the day I think they do it throughout [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► the day would be better I've never seen them do it now while I think that's part [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► of the magic you know [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► I think they've got like at disney world they've got like things were said I call [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► in a trash around the park they just likes sucking through holes in florida [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► go into the underground tunnels so they don't have to see the trash being that [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► it's a nice touch base of the main reasons I actually wanted to run the [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► show is the one big thing [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► from the BBC that's left on my things i wanna talk or write about that I haven't [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► talked or written about is Yosemite and a new design of Yosemite and you know I [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► thought to have you on the show because you and I are in fact collaborating [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► working on a Mac at the summer so we're sort of in the middle of it now wow what [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► a month in month out for weeks since from WC yeah yeah yeah yeah I guess it [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► was the second so it's 4 weeks are you using yosemite daily no I tried in there [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► is some kind of bug with the upgrades have got to have a second partition [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► setup that's running a clean install of Use Somebody and that was running great [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► I decided okay maybe all my stuff works everything should be fine I'm installed [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► on my main partition and I did and it was a nightmare and things were things [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► were broken and I don't mean nightmare like there are some bugs and things [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► crashed I mean like finder wouldn't watch yeah if I wanted to open a file [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► had to do it through Terminal and that took 45 seconds to load so I can [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► announce back and forth they need to look at you I stuff I need to try to [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► evaluate the way they're doing a thing for the big day today I'm still running [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► Mavericks it i got really excited about it cause for a couple of days it seems [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► so stable that I thought hey I think I can switch full-time quickly maybe like [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► what the next beta and then I ran into a thing where I could not log into my main [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► account that I just created I could use a Guest account and then from the guest [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► account on terminal I could like use sudo with my admin account but there is [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► nothing I can do to log into the admin account and and then it fixed itself [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► somehow but it was scary enough that we could always do a backup and then run [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► the upgrade for a week and if you don't like it switchback yeah I think I'll [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► probably switch on the next page and at least I still have a machine here [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► running my old install of Mavericks and with everything on it but everything I [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► so much thinks it's so much easier to to to use multiple Macs now with iCloud [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► syncing services that it's it's not like the old days where it was really really [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► you just driving not because there's violence on the other machine and I [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► still can't do it I can't get my head around it and that might just be the [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► time to use to doing things the old way of running on two machines yeah I can I [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► have to have one Mac if I have to then I cloud in Dropbox make it better but then [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► there's like still preferences per machine I forget about the other thing [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► is that I don't think it is imperative to be using it on a daily basis [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► design wise because I don't think it's that radical design you know it's a [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► month to month has gone on [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► I'm happy with it almost completely apart some unhappy with I don't hear [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► that big a deal where would you happy with where we can do about that okay but [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► I don't like that we can come back to that in a second but I don't feel like [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► it's fundamentally change the way design a good backup it's a new you know it it [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► almost is only skin deep and I don't mean that as a complaint I think it [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► speaks to you know if it's not broke don't fix it and try to you know what it [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► means [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► as opposed to iOS 7 which i think was more [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► significantly more radical change in that you really needed to be using the [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► iOS 7 pages on a daily basis to get a feel for how it should should be [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► designed for Iowa seven last summer yet there is all the rumors leading up to [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► WTC [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► 1010 is going to be a pretty dramatic makeover it's going to be very Iowa 7 as [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► we kept very I was seven and we saw I was taken aback at how not Iowa said it [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► was yeah I agree with that they look related but they look like siblings in [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► other way that would sometimes you meet you know brother and a sister to kind of [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► look alike but not like in a freaky way you know who is also playing to their [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► own strengths yeah it feels like a very measured you know I maybe would have [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► been a bigger surprise if there were no I was seven I think that I was 7 soften [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► the blow [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► maybe but I remember you and I talking about this when we were sort of trying [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► to guess what you know somebody might look like the one thing we kept looking [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► at hand and in some ways it was a true that would be kind of cool but then [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► there are in other ways we were both like gritting our teeth like who this [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► could be bad is the iCloud web apps yeah right so when you go to iCloud dot com [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► on a Mac or Windows I guess but you get like you know you're using a mouse [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► pointer using a track pattern mouse and physical keyboard or not touching the [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► screen but it looks really I less Sevigny yeah but in a good way in a [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► measured way where it does it's not I don't know if you're looking at the web [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► at ups.com stuff it felt like a sort of a happy medium but you could you could [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► start to get a sense of how they would solve some of these windowing problems [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► caused an iOS you don't you never have to absolutely the same time you don't [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► have to worry about one thing sitting in front [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► another thing whereas on a Mac you always have that problem and it seemed [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► like they were trying to hint at will we still have shadows were still treat [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► these things as individual structures on the screen [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► yeah but I think that that's why I'm looking at it now looking at iCloud mail [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► and it looks way more like an iPad app then America and 200 yeah what's like [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► the further you get in [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► yeah I guess what I'm looking at is the things like if you go into contacts and [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► you click to delete somebody it it feels it spits iOS 7 a.m. but it you you can [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► start to see the hinting like the way the window alert thing comes up that [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► information the way comes up in the weights on the screen that to me he [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► answered what we wind up getting your somebody more than it feels like a [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► direct translation of anything from iOS yeah well and the other thing the big [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► difference to shoot is that iOS not I was the iCloud interface doesn't have a [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► lot of like a lot of the buttons don't really have strong top-down States press [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► and states the best way to call I was down but pressed state you know sort of [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► like iOS whereas yosemite does he feel pretty good cause that's that's been a [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► thing for you [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► buttons that look like buttons has been my obsession and to me or somebody [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► doesn't change at all like buttons all look like buttons in a way that I I [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► really hope that I have to wait for nine now but I hope that I was nine takes [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► some cues from that yeah there's such a weird place to to go from here but the [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► the Google stuff kind of its showing them if you there [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► the material you either well finish your point but let's come back to that right [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► right it's to me is kind of a hint of in an alternate universe what I S nine [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► might add rection that it could go in where it's a little bit more shadowy [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► it's a little like a return not to scream or visit them but some kind of [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► happy point between super flat and allowing the easy access to mean [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► something I could see that the the right leg from to come back to some from five [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► minute ago the one that one of the things I like about you somebody's I [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► don't like if you have a dialogue box with canceling ok puns the OK button is [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► already blue with white text but that the tap downstate for the cancel button [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► so if you press the cancel button but don't let go then the two buttons look [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► almost identical like right to me they picked a bad bad look for the default [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► button to me the default button should look different from the other buttons [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► but it shouldn't look as different as as the one in your somebody and it seems [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► like what you would want to something that both indicates that this is [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► selected but also some people are gonna hit the Return key on the keyboard [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► rather than any other King conversely is so that if the cancel button or if [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► there's more than one if you know any of the other regular but the ones they [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► don't activate just by hitting return when you tap press and hold down the [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► button you get this really vibrant press take it goes from a white background [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► with black text to blue background with white text super vibrant difference from [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► whether it's pressed Iran pressed whereas the default button goes from [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► vibrant blue with white text to a slightly different shade of vibrant blue [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► with white text it's it's an almost indistinguishable difference between [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► Preston and pressed just seems like an unforced error on Apple's part 2 to do [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► that and it's a super niggling thing for me to dwell on but it's one of those [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► things where I can get even a month and we can get over you you can I don't know [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► grousing about the buttons the top down state and buttons since I was seven came [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► out I think even during the betas that's been [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► thing for you and maybe a baby really is just driving I've isn't really thinking [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► too much about the way buttons are pressed [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► seems like it seems like I don't like I have a much bigger I put more important [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► than than giant Apple does and even I think even more than I do like it's it's [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► a good thing they care about but it's like I look at it is really bother me [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► that much it's not the first thing I go to the reason I care about it is that to [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► me it's the only real feedback you get like in the real world when you click a [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► button [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► there's no doubt in your mind when you've pressed it down and when you've [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► let it go as you feel if it's a nice but with a quickness like the buttons on all [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► the buttons on the iPhone right here a member got the iPhone in my hand [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► pressing the volume buttons and they click I know when I press it down cuz it [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► clicked and I know I never let go cuz it clicks the other way whereas when you're [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► pressing things on screen especially on the iPhone to meet him more important [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► than the iPhone it's like you don't feel any click there is no haptic feedback [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► and you know who knows maybe that's where they're going with new devices [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► later this calendar years haptic feedback but then why did they change [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► the year ago [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► you know I know I i remember last year during the summer a lot of people [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► speculated that the decrease in visual feedback on press states for buttons [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► might be a lot of people were guessing there'd be haptic feedback in the iPhone [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► 5s and is not so to me that visual feedback is all you get [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► and so to me it's worth emphasizing when we rebuild we are playing with some of [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► those they had that press room replay with the phone stuff they a lot of the [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► I think most of them if not all of them had haptic feedback so you'd have [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► something it would give you like a little bit of a buzz in playing with it [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► I realized it's just it's not the magic that I thought it was where the thing [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► right into my fingers buzzing it's just the device bitrates no reason you can do [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► that today on the icon to write but thats [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► yeah I think about what we're gonna do it they want to do some kind of advance [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► thing where it it literally somehow give you feedback right where you pressed not [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► that the whole device is vibrating which is what the Windows Phone devices like I [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► think they were all assets that when you typed H keypress gave you a tap yeah I'd [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► like us it's not like your phone buzzing your pocket cuz it's not that kind of a [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► very distinct a little just a little something like you don't even notice it [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► I didn't hate it but I didn't find it hopefully there I liked it until I [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► realized that there's no magic just made it was just the phone buzzing in my well [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► it doesn't solve to me the problem like so for example on the iPhone keyboard [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► right from the get-go from 2007 when you press aqui you get past the ASCII an ass [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► pop-up shows up above your thumb yeah it's like if so if you're watching as [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► you type [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► there's this visual indication that you just type in S [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► because you know you need that feedback because there's no buttons are the [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► buttons for each key on the keyboard so close to each other that you wouldn't [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► know where as if the whole phone vibrator taps in the exact same way no [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► matter which key you press it doesn't help you know that you typed an S [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► instead of a deep into you just know you take something and to me that that's not [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► helpful [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► have you heard of one of those tests were you see if you take better with the [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► clicks without the clicks now I know I've always got the ringer off on my [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► phone cuz I just almost everyone in my phone rang but it seems it seems like [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► when the cliques are on my typing accuracy goes up I think so too I keep [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► the clicks on there's the hypocrisy of my my ringer is always on Etsy don't [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► actually hear them the building I live in there's a good entry he could get in [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► and a month or two ago they they change I know they did but it no longer when [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► you dial the keypad they don't be baby anymore and without the beeps are [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► screwed up two or three times before I get it I like to keep it up some people [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► who think that that's so absurd that they can't believe they do find it [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► shocking that I used this eclipse on its similar the key clicks on that [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► menchville because they did similar to the whole phone vibrating it each time [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► you get the same clique no matter which key press it doesn't help you know that [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► you got the Reiki as opposed to like on a hardware keyboard blackberry with a [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► hardware keyboard you know that you press the right key because there's an [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► actual physical sensation but the physical sensations identical for each [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► key in practice though if you think about it if you've ever I've never used [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► a blackberry full time but even if I'm just annoyed with one you know you've [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► gotten the Reiki those spatially you know is on that border between S&D you [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► know that you want that deep respiration to be on the left side not the right [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► side and if you do hit a deer by accident you can feel my thumb was too [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► far to the right right because the way the key presses in only ever-present in [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► it doesn't slide around so depending the physicality of it clarifies you know and [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► that that would be the sort of understand what the technology would be [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► but if there is a way to make it so that you got physical click or press or some [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► kind of sensation right on the pixels that you've pressed it could I could see [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► how that would help something like keyboard typing tremendous but I don't [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► know I've never heard of such technology we should just put a hardware keyboard [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► on those things I do think we're going back to yosemite though overall though I [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► like it a lot and every time I stopped using I have it on a separate machine I [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► don't have enough main machine that every time I go back to Ibrox its it [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► just feels like going back to Iowa sex but even more so yeah it was a little [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► bit of culture shock for me after spending a couple days and you're [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► somebody coming back and I'm used to it now and this is why [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► I don't hate it it it doesn't feel as dramatic as I was six hours 7 going the [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► other direction but if it does I am surprised at how much I like it [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► yeah it's not as it's it's funny it's not as big a difference [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► clearly not as big a difference as iOS 6 2007 that somehow going back it was [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► harder quicker because it's so familiar it's just an improvement I think in [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► almost every way that it makes gone back worse whereas I was 7 everything's it [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► just took time to get used to his Yosemite to me doesn't take any time to [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► get used to it this is just better yeah there's not a lot of downside is an iOS [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► 7 there's the status bar thing I don't think I like it and these buttons are [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► weird and there's a bunch of stuff with maverick's to yosemite it really does [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► just be leg they dialed it up I'm curious and I saw did you see that [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► Tobias shrewd Jones somebody asked him what he thought about how medicare [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► system fun and say that I have to look at it afterwards but the gist of it is [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► there a british au lit Schonert I promise but somehow forget who somebody [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► asked to by Astrid Jones formerly of a flat fair Jones you know the whole ugly [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► divorce going on there but the designer of gotten among other you know very very [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► popular and well designed funds he spoke very highly of Lucida Grande as a system [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► font and and no mention that some of the problems with Helvetica as a system but [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► the bottom line and he mentions it too is that it's you know it's right now vs [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► non and I've only been using [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► retina MacBook Pro haven't looked at it yet I guess I should try to put it [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► online or something and see what it looks like on an on display and I can [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► only imagine it is going to look worse I do think that's one of the things about [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► yosemite that is very much in spirit with iOS 7 [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► is that it's a redneck first display design it's designed to look up its [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► optimized for retina displays and its secondarily meant to look ok on this [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► place do you think that's a hint at Apple wanting to move to or being ready [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► to move to a future where there's only retina screens I would definitely if [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► anybody thinks it's not going to be all right now with at some point the next [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► few years i mean you're not but how quickly that's going to be a hopefully [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► it's a sign that it's gonna be sooner rather than later [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► that's what I mean like if they're doing they're already setting things up for [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► its gonna look anything everything looks better on right now by definition but [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► some somethings translate the other direction better than others and I can I [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► don't have anything on it and I think of it as your desktop display 15 inch [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► MacBook Pro yeah so I don't know haven't even seen him back on the iPhone from [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► day one and that wasn't terrible i mean it wasn't maybe not as reliable as a [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► grand but yeah it always worked on iOS and it wasn't bad but I do think it's [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► gonna be worse and I feel like the same way that it did work and it was fine on [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► Iowa spree retina it's it's definitely going to be III I think they'll be [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► complained about it though when yosemite actually ships and winner of Apple's new [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► philosophy about a hundred people is the same as mine was again I don't think so [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► not yet I think maybe on iOS it is and i think that you know I feel like the only [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► people who they really care about Bailey would probably be owners of the original [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► iPad Mini because that devices only they were still being sold a year ago yeah [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► and I are you can still buy an outright doesn't think so i think thats like the [TS]

01:05:29 ◼   ► low end that's the last one that I feel really care about because the last [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► iPhone 3G s I mean that's forget about [TS]

01:05:41 ◼   ► i mean you know god bless you first if you're still rocking your 3G s now maybe [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► they're not I don't know see her compare yeah they still sell the iPad Mini [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► without Retina Display 16 gigabytes 299 so that it you know i join us [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► uses my old one and it's not bad I mean it's you know it's you know I don't know [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► that it's any worse than that then the Helvetica was the system front on iOS 6 [TS]

01:06:16 ◼   ► maybe some of the lack of contrast makes it less showing off but you know I think [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► I wrote about when they first went minutes that I think some of those the [TS]

01:06:25 ◼   ► visual trickery making buttons look lickable and putting a lot of lighting [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► effects on the buttons and stuff was all to sort of make things look better than [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► the display was capable of really looking whereas with Retina displays you [TS]

01:06:40 ◼   ► can just let it actually looked just by blade type on a plain background right [TS]

01:06:45 ◼   ► now I'm not saying that there this would be in in the spirit of well who cares [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► what it looks like on a non Retina screen so much as it is I don't think [TS]

01:06:55 ◼   ► Apple at this point just going by what they've done with political system I [TS]

01:07:01 ◼   ► don't think that they're willing to sacrifice what they think is the path [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► forward to make things just a little bit better on the screens I will say this [TS]

01:07:09 ◼   ► using yosemite and I don't have a machine used as much as I can [TS]

01:07:16 ◼   ► third party apps it it varies it actually really varies how much they get [TS]

01:07:22 ◼   ► automatically none look perfect automatically but some look a lot better [TS]

01:07:27 ◼   ► than others and you can see who was specifying [TS]

01:07:31 ◼   ► display this list in the system fund others who said display this list in [TS]

01:07:37 ◼   ► Lucida Grande twelve-point and 12 were saying just give me the system fine they [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► get automatically and I looked pretty good and the ones who are using lucid [TS]

01:07:49 ◼   ► some of the icons translate little better farrakhan's translate better than [TS]

01:07:54 ◼   ► others some don't but I'm really curious and and its to me it's a lot like the [TS]

01:08:00 ◼   ► shift from iOS app makers of gotta get on you know gotta get updates out the [TS]

01:08:05 ◼   ► door and make their stuff look great on you simply but I'm curious if it's gonna [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► take longer for third-party developers to update their Mac apps just in the way [TS]

01:08:16 ◼   ► that because they're too busy updating their iPhone apps first yeah yeah I [TS]

01:08:21 ◼   ► think I mean you if you're smart and convention is that you're supposed to [TS]

01:08:25 ◼   ► stick to the the API's as much as you can because if Apple changed something [TS]

01:08:31 ◼   ► out when do you get that change for free this is why you're supposed to using US [TS]

01:08:35 ◼   ► stocks were so as to not really your own so funny when to me my favorite example [TS]

01:08:40 ◼   ► of an app that looks even better in Yosemite is not newswire 3 I don't know [TS]

01:08:46 ◼   ► that I looked at him he's fired 37 that newspaper thing that looks on a on a [TS]

01:08:50 ◼   ► Retina screen that's got some issues on Mavericks and it just looks it looks not [TS]

01:08:55 ◼   ► bad I still use it as my daily news reader but it looks dated and I hope it [TS]

01:08:59 ◼   ► up just cuz I wonder [TS]

01:09:02 ◼   ► read my feeds everything looks great because the funds are all have attica [TS]

01:09:07 ◼   ► yeah things and how that again the source list is the vibrancy transparency [TS]

01:09:11 ◼   ► really yeah it's one of the most one of the most yosemite ready after I had on [TS]

01:09:15 ◼   ► my Mac yeah you know what that is another thing that I've noticed is that [TS]

01:09:20 ◼   ► it clear I didn't even know there was such a thing but there must obviously in [TS]

01:09:24 ◼   ► hindsight there must be like give me a default looking sidebar and those apps [TS]

01:09:32 ◼   ► look pretty good on your sanity and its translucent and then there's others [TS]

01:09:35 ◼   ► where they've got late a blue background with you know the wrong find and it just [TS]

01:09:42 ◼   ► looks so dated but foreign [TS]

01:09:45 ◼   ► it reminds me of a template images so the the icons that you create for a [TS]

01:09:51 ◼   ► sidebar source list on the Mac and the things at a bar based app on the iPhone [TS]

01:09:57 ◼   ► you instead of making an icon that looks like what the end user sees you just [TS]

01:10:02 ◼   ► make an alpha and alpha channel I can wear the the gradient is is what [TS]

01:10:09 ◼   ► determines the Alpha so whatever Apple does to update the OS whatever the new [TS]

01:10:15 ◼   ► style is your your app running on that version of the OS will look like every [TS]

01:10:20 ◼   ► other so you never stuck like if you were to go in and make [TS]

01:10:24 ◼   ► looking right now at my screen I see finder and maverick's has that like all [TS]

01:10:29 ◼   ► of the sort of monochrome the slightly slightly washed out icons along the side [TS]

01:10:34 ◼   ► like the the iTunes style those are all just you know flat black and white [TS]

01:10:40 ◼   ► channel probably jpg or png he's sitting somewhere and then the second the OS [TS]

01:10:46 ◼   ► gets updated they all look the new way I think bottom I'm wrapping up yosemite I [TS]

01:10:52 ◼   ► really liked it I think it's exactly what exactly what Apple should have done [TS]

01:10:58 ◼   ► I don't think anything more radical is called for and I think it's gonna proved [TS]

01:11:05 ◼   ► to be far less controversial [TS]

01:11:07 ◼   ► I still think there's some people who are you consider iOS 7 controversial [TS]

01:11:11 ◼   ► right there are people who refused upgrade still yeah I don't think that [TS]

01:11:16 ◼   ► that's going to happen with you seventy just because of the appearance and and [TS]

01:11:20 ◼   ► other than the appearance it's not really that different [TS]

01:11:23 ◼   ► you know they have really changed in any other rules no but I do feel like [TS]

01:11:26 ◼   ► especially with that we we don't see any of this really today because it's all [TS]

01:11:31 ◼   ► betas but the extensions and handoff I think this to me [TS]

01:11:38 ◼   ► pushes towards that that ideal of ages ago a friend of mine told me that his [TS]

01:11:43 ◼   ► vision for computers in the future be late you carry that thing around like [TS]

01:11:47 ◼   ► your phone or whatever it is and you can use it the way it is that when you get [TS]

01:11:50 ◼   ► to work you get somehow and then the the interface changes so that it's a case [TS]

01:11:57 ◼   ► custom tailored to the way you're working right now the senate can drive a [TS]

01:12:01 ◼   ► 30 inch display on your day [TS]

01:12:02 ◼   ► right right in where Apple AAPL doing it and I think even more clever way which [TS]

01:12:06 ◼   ► is allowing you to pass what really matters which is the state in the data [TS]

01:12:09 ◼   ► back and forth and let the the machines be their own thing yeah because at a [TS]

01:12:14 ◼   ► certain and who knows I mean I i dont know I feel like that tocqueville idea [TS]

01:12:18 ◼   ► it always it sounds good but it always runs in the problems and for example [TS]

01:12:23 ◼   ► your desktop computer if you have a power source even if it's a laptop but [TS]

01:12:27 ◼   ► if you can put a power source into it at your desk you you want to be able to [TS]

01:12:33 ◼   ► have abs running and consuming significant amounts of CPU in the [TS]

01:12:37 ◼   ► background [TS]

01:12:38 ◼   ► raise your phone you'd never won that right right so what do you do like you [TS]

01:12:43 ◼   ► can say okay when I doc the thing it runs like a real UNIX computer and [TS]

01:12:50 ◼   ► applications in the background can just do what they want and then I want to go [TS]

01:12:54 ◼   ► to the bathroom and take my phone with me and just pick it up then what happens [TS]

01:12:57 ◼   ► to all those processes that were running like all of a sudden now they're told no [TS]

01:13:02 ◼   ► no now you gonna be put to sleep in 10 milliseconds hurry up hurry up and [TS]

01:13:07 ◼   ► finish I mean you could do things like the dock itself has additional CPU and [TS]

01:13:14 ◼   ► memory resources and maybe those processes can attach to the day it just [TS]

01:13:18 ◼   ► gets super Lake the kind of people who really like running Linux [TS]

01:13:22 ◼   ► would enjoy that yeah I think that this is a better approach and it's you know [TS]

01:13:25 ◼   ► we can even spend it as we talk about some of the Google i/o stuff and it's [TS]

01:13:29 ◼   ► similar approach that Google has that it's not one machine they take [TS]

01:13:35 ◼   ► everywhere but like one set of state that's available everywhere they state [TS]

01:13:41 ◼   ► that thinks not the actual computer right and I stayed in your somebody to [TS]

01:13:47 ◼   ► me feel like we were finally there are or were very very close to your iPad in [TS]

01:13:54 ◼   ► your iPhone your Mac all work together one question people have been asking me [TS]

01:13:58 ◼   ► actually don't know the answers they don't have a spare iPad to run I was [TS]

01:14:02 ◼   ► saved on [TS]

01:14:03 ◼   ► a little hesitant to put it on your money in full time on my it's great you [TS]

01:14:10 ◼   ► know I gotta see it because I've had problems in the past years with the MLB [TS]

01:14:13 ◼   ► app doesn't work [TS]

01:14:15 ◼   ► beta and it's like the only app that I really can't do without it off to see [TS]

01:14:21 ◼   ► but people have been asking will this work between not continuity like handoff [TS]

01:14:27 ◼   ► like I've started an email can you handed off from an iPhone to iPad where [TS]

01:14:31 ◼   ► is it only for Mac tireless I think it's only Mac iOS I don't think you can go [TS]

01:14:36 ◼   ► Iowa stylist but it seemed that seems like something that could be like a 8.1 [TS]

01:14:43 ◼   ► update or something later in the year and make sense you know that you might [TS]

01:14:47 ◼   ► wanted somebody you know how I wanna go from this small machine the iPhone where [TS]

01:14:52 ◼   ► I'm picking this thing out with my thumbs to the big machine right to my [TS]

01:14:55 ◼   ► email the big your boobs somebody else's big machine for email might be their [TS]

01:14:59 ◼   ► iPad right I could see it coming I don't think that it's there yet though I could [TS]

01:15:03 ◼   ► go tested tweet earlier I am I'm impressed with iOS eight and running I [TS]

01:15:12 ◼   ► was it on my phone my carry from made a phone and on my my day iPad 1 iPad but [TS]

01:15:18 ◼   ► yeah my retina iPad Mini both running I was a full-time and both there i mean [TS]

01:15:23 ◼   ► there's weird stuff like I had to reboot my phone every couple of days things [TS]

01:15:27 ◼   ► just get lucky and i'm glad you brought that up say I've been meaning to talk [TS]

01:15:31 ◼   ► about this I said what I do is I have I still have my your old iPhone 5 which is [TS]

01:15:38 ◼   ► also a Verizon so I just if I would have done that device and I just take my sim [TS]

01:15:45 ◼   ► card out of my daily iPhone 5s put in the five and then use that phone on [TS]

01:15:49 ◼   ► there and I'm using just that is pretty good but a smiling do it you have to [TS]

01:15:55 ◼   ► make sure you know if I couldn't do it the year before though because last year [TS]

01:15:59 ◼   ► was the year or I had switched from AT&T to Verizon so my year old iphone4s I [TS]

01:16:05 ◼   ► couldn't SIM card swap with [TS]

01:16:07 ◼   ► so it only works so long as you're year ago phone is on the same carrier and [TS]

01:16:13 ◼   ► same same setup because well it wasn't yeah alright so like Verizon phones were [TS]

01:16:19 ◼   ► or not whether world phones but they couldn't yeah it was funny in it and [TS]

01:16:24 ◼   ► every couple years they cut the SIM card size down to the accident was many [TS]

01:16:29 ◼   ► announced my crying like a baby with the iPhone 6 they're gonna come you know [TS]

01:16:32 ◼   ► make an even smaller SIM card now just to get an eyedropper drop it in there [TS]

01:16:37 ◼   ► one thing though this is that they have been meaning to talk about is this is [TS]

01:16:41 ◼   ► the first year I've tried to do this in a run run the beta on a year old iPhone [TS]

01:16:47 ◼   ► as much as they can during summer and even like last year when I couldn't SIM [TS]

01:16:52 ◼   ► card swap I would at least carry the iphone4s around in the house on wifi as [TS]

01:16:58 ◼   ► you know the only thing I can do is get phone calls but I don't think I said but [TS]

01:17:01 ◼   ► everything else i get this is the first year where I don't find going back to [TS]

01:17:07 ◼   ► the iPhone 5 to be slow physically slow like the interface feel slow I notice in [TS]

01:17:13 ◼   ► some places but like the keyboard doesn't feel slow I can always that's [TS]

01:17:17 ◼   ► one thing every single year when I test the new beta of of the operating system [TS]

01:17:22 ◼   ► on my year old iPhone I think and how do they ever type on this thing the [TS]

01:17:25 ◼   ► keyboardist and it's never been I don't know if it's because they were you know [TS]

01:17:30 ◼   ► the operating system slowed down I don't know if it's just that I got used to the [TS]

01:17:34 ◼   ► increased or decreased latency of the interface responsiveness but this is the [TS]

01:17:41 ◼   ► one you're referring most part day today I don't feel that much difference [TS]

01:17:44 ◼   ► between the 5s in five just in terms of navigating around the operating system [TS]

01:17:48 ◼   ► with this is with you running iOS eight on and on the other phone yet I would [TS]

01:17:53 ◼   ► you tip your saying you typically run the new OS on the older phone yes I'm [TS]

01:17:57 ◼   ► thinking that it has more to do with the newness of the OS the age of the phone [TS]

01:18:01 ◼   ► in terms of your keyboard latency I don't know I just think maybe that maybe [TS]

01:18:06 ◼   ► it's that I S eight because they didn't do anything new interface wise radically [TS]

01:18:11 ◼   ► that it's nothing nothing but improved performance wise as opposed to like last [TS]

01:18:16 ◼   ► year obviously a lot of people had complained that I 07 was dog slow on [TS]

01:18:20 ◼   ► hardware yeah there's nothing no I don't have any reason to worry about that from [TS]

01:18:25 ◼   ► 7-8 and I think it combines with the fact that maybe the iPhone 5 was the [TS]

01:18:30 ◼   ► first one where the a sex was sort of good enough you know that it's you know [TS]

01:18:38 ◼   ► at least for things like typing that we don't need you know the speed [TS]

01:18:42 ◼   ► improvement I'm sure help in image processing for example right like like [TS]

01:18:46 ◼   ► the new take 10 snapshots in a row using the press and hold thing there's [TS]

01:18:52 ◼   ► obviously a lot of computation that involved there faster 87 really helps [TS]

01:18:56 ◼   ► but for just showing a touchscreen keyboard and typing a 50 I think is [TS]

01:19:02 ◼   ► where where it hit the fast enough mock exam I'm doing it the other way around [TS]

01:19:08 ◼   ► we've got I'll say it on my father's and I've got over seven running on why don't [TS]

01:19:12 ◼   ► keep these devices around sir WBC you had brought a measles for us for me and [TS]

01:19:17 ◼   ► having a two year gap between those phones I'm running iOS 7 on the older [TS]

01:19:21 ◼   ► phone and I was eight on the newer phone and i notice keyboard issues on my 500 [TS]

01:19:27 ◼   ► the 5s running a team like the keyboard feels a little sticky me interesting [TS]

01:19:33 ◼   ► that's one thing I may have more to do with the OS and the newness of that than [TS]

01:19:37 ◼   ► it does with the hardware and I'm I could be wrong I don't know my setup [TS]

01:19:40 ◼   ► interesting I will say this to an invention is before the show but I do a [TS]

01:19:46 ◼   ► lot of the little things and I was addictive like the reply to a message [TS]

01:19:51 ◼   ► from anywhere [TS]

01:19:53 ◼   ► yeah yeah is really really nice it's tough because the that makes it hard to [TS]

01:19:58 ◼   ► go back like I feel like as look back when the next beta comes out I'll [TS]

01:20:02 ◼   ► probably just install it on my iPhone to its it's funny it's funny because the [TS]

01:20:08 ◼   ► normally year-to-year the upgrade you it's tough to go back because there's [TS]

01:20:14 ◼   ► some big new feature is there something that you really like day today using iOS [TS]

01:20:20 ◼   ► eight other than the the taking suggestion thing I don't really notice [TS]

01:20:23 ◼   ► like it just it looks and feels like a slightly buggy ride 07 yeah but it's got [TS]

01:20:28 ◼   ► those night [TS]

01:20:29 ◼   ► notification thing for applying is really really nice views the man once [TS]

01:20:35 ◼   ► you start it's it's it really gets it just feels crazy to go back to not being [TS]

01:20:40 ◼   ► able to do it I do they getting text messages in multiple devices like I've [TS]

01:20:47 ◼   ► noticed when people text rather than people who don't have iPhones it shows [TS]

01:20:51 ◼   ► up on my iPad now and it kind of freaks me out so I don't think I've noticed [TS]

01:20:54 ◼   ► because I get so few text messages from the dark blue was 111 came yesterday and [TS]

01:21:02 ◼   ► i'm looking at my iPad and they see the name in there was like wait what that [TS]

01:21:06 ◼   ► person has an Android phone how is this even possible way and it shows up on [TS]

01:21:09 ◼   ► your iPad well then maybe maybe some of this continuity features do work i found [TS]

01:21:14 ◼   ► out i pad right because I think on the demo during the keynote they showed it [TS]

01:21:17 ◼   ► showing up on your Mac right they didn't show any assumption yeah yeah I expected [TS]

01:21:23 ◼   ► to show up on my Mac I never would have expected it makes perfect sense I guess [TS]

01:21:28 ◼   ► it was a surprise if thats it's gotta be that they are there like on the same [TS]

01:21:34 ◼   ► wi-fi network or maybe even Bluetooth it so still confusing me and I know that [TS]

01:21:40 ◼   ► I've listened to the podcast nobody's nobody's quite sure which of these [TS]

01:21:44 ◼   ► features are running over Bluetooth in which are running over wi-fi in which [TS]

01:21:48 ◼   ► may be using both depending on availability seems like a lot of this [TS]

01:21:53 ◼   ► stuff though it depends upon the Bluetooth L T boatload low-energy [TS]

01:21:58 ◼   ► Bluetooth le and the cutoff on Macs for that is pretty recent so there's gonna [TS]

01:22:04 ◼   ► be a lot of people with semi recent max like two-year-old max two and a half [TS]

01:22:09 ◼   ► year old max great deal cemetery gonna be bitching because they don't get these [TS]

01:22:13 ◼   ► features I think I mean if it were me I would make it to where it ran over [TS]

01:22:18 ◼   ► Bluetooth Bluetooth wasn't available around over wifi because a lot of people [TS]

01:22:21 ◼   ► turn Bluetooth off on their phone to save battery yeah I feel like that trick [TS]

01:22:26 ◼   ► is gonna start it's getting to the point where enough of the features depend upon [TS]

01:22:30 ◼   ► it that you know I think most of my eye I usually keep the 2002 for the same [TS]

01:22:36 ◼   ► reason but I feel like [TS]

01:22:37 ◼   ► its gonna get harder ordered it to do that are you going to keep running into [TS]

01:22:41 ◼   ► oh why isn't this working out turn bluetooth yeah and I think enough people [TS]

01:22:45 ◼   ► are still doing it it's going to be Apple wouldn't want to get the support [TS]

01:22:50 ◼   ► calls and if you could just fall back to wifi wanna do it found out my son runs [TS]

01:22:56 ◼   ► his own devices at maximum brightness of the time maybe send him to wear beeper [TS]

01:23:04 ◼   ► he knows that it's running that it's running the battery down and in fact [TS]

01:23:10 ◼   ► every day [TS]

01:23:11 ◼   ► his iPhone and iPad both completely run out of battery and I said heyy you look [TS]

01:23:16 ◼   ► your gut brightness although not compromise but he said i'm not going to [TS]

01:23:21 ◼   ► its gross to run the display at less than have the device be dead than [TS]

01:23:27 ◼   ► haven't not at maximum beauty wit a kind of respect I i respect is sticking to it [TS]

01:23:40 ◼   ► yeah I met with my Mac my Mac is always at full brightness in fact that auto [TS]

01:23:45 ◼   ► greatest thing I never turned it off I really should but if I mean like when [TS]

01:23:49 ◼   ► when I work out of the office if I pass in front of a window at a certain time [TS]

01:23:54 ◼   ► of day and my screen starts them and it just drives me nuts I want to always as [TS]

01:23:59 ◼   ► bright as it can possibly unless I'm on a plane [TS]

01:24:01 ◼   ► yeah exactly airplane mode firm action involves cutting your display brightness [TS]

01:24:06 ◼   ► down you know that that brings up something we didn't see in Yosemite and [TS]

01:24:11 ◼   ► I expect you at some point because we know there's all this talk about will we [TS]

01:24:15 ◼   ► ever get but WiMAX or LTE chip or something in a Mac and the only [TS]

01:24:22 ◼   ► technically that would be better to do it's just that software isn't really [TS]

01:24:26 ◼   ► ready for that you're gonna run to your data pretty quickly [TS]

01:24:28 ◼   ► yeah that's it seems like we used to [TS]

01:24:31 ◼   ► who knows maybe someday this year they'll come out with that kind of like [TS]

01:24:36 ◼   ► your Mac can talk to your [TS]

01:24:41 ◼   ► your access point and find out that it's an access point running over a data [TS]

01:24:45 ◼   ► connection rather than running through like a regular wired connection I got [TS]

01:24:51 ◼   ► something that they can give you get one of the crime advice or something it can [TS]

01:24:56 ◼   ► report back to your computer that it's it's like a data network device [TS]

01:25:02 ◼   ► well and there is the new feature in Yosemite and iOS a where once you've [TS]

01:25:08 ◼   ► paired your phone if your phone has hotspot capability you can turn it on [TS]

01:25:14 ◼   ► entirely from your Mac without interacting with your phone rates it [TS]

01:25:19 ◼   ► seems like there has to be some API is in place or something to I don't know so [TS]

01:25:24 ◼   ► apps can know when they're in that mode vs a different mode so that they things [TS]

01:25:28 ◼   ► like automatic downloading for certain apps gets turned off right number but [TS]

01:25:33 ◼   ► I've always remember was Marco who WBC a couple years ago with tethering instead [TS]

01:25:41 ◼   ► of paying for hotel wifi and it was like he got there on sunday and monday was [TS]

01:25:48 ◼   ► the keynote and and the new episode of Mad Men hit iTunes here and there like [TS]

01:25:55 ◼   ► four gigabytes of LTE got his AT&T account closed for the month so mad at [TS]

01:26:03 ◼   ► the interests right but that's exactly the sort of thing you don't want to do [TS]

01:26:06 ◼   ► and I don't know how you you know I do think that that's basically why Apple [TS]

01:26:10 ◼   ► hasn't done it is that you know and I know I guess that there's opt in things [TS]

01:26:15 ◼   ► that apps can do to say what kind of network and my own before I do this but [TS]

01:26:20 ◼   ► I feel like there's too much software that already written that just says do I [TS]

01:26:24 ◼   ► have a network connection if so download the giant [TS]

01:26:29 ◼   ► I mean we live in a world now where there's a pretty good chance that your [TS]

01:26:33 ◼   ► data connection is coming through the air even if you're on wifi thing on the [TS]

01:26:39 ◼   ► other end of that wifi is talking to sprint or talking to Verizon [TS]

01:26:43 ◼   ► remember I think that the new feature I think that I think they're probably [TS]

01:26:47 ◼   ► never but my guess is they're never going to they're not going to do [TS]

01:26:53 ◼   ► LTE equipment books and that this new feature where you can turn on tethering [TS]

01:26:59 ◼   ► from your iPhone right from the menu and in on your Mac is as close as they're [TS]

01:27:04 ◼   ► gonna get and that's pretty that's close enough I think I was gonna say do you [TS]

01:27:08 ◼   ► think that's good do you think that's or would you rather have a Mac that had the [TS]

01:27:12 ◼   ► data connection yeah because you have to pay an extra 15 bucks a month at the [TS]

01:27:16 ◼   ► minimum depending on you know like Verizon I think it's giving me a device [TS]

01:27:19 ◼   ► you yeah we have like one shared family pool of data but every time you added [TS]

01:27:23 ◼   ► devices to add 10 bucks a month so rather than add another ten bucks a [TS]

01:27:27 ◼   ► month just to some use the phone cuz it's gonna be the same connection anyway [TS]

01:27:31 ◼   ► yeah but with your phone your Mac is a great battery in it [TS]

01:27:35 ◼   ► yeah I but if you're on your Mac and have your phone you can just hard drive [TS]

01:27:43 ◼   ► through town and I think it's as close as it's it's probably as close as you're [TS]

01:27:50 ◼   ► gonna get it's probably in the real world all I would ever need there's [TS]

01:27:54 ◼   ► something nice about having all of the stuff on your Mac like everything that [TS]

01:27:58 ◼   ► you could have on your Mac sits on them but the truth is my phone's always in my [TS]

01:28:01 ◼   ► pocket anyway yeah alright let me take a break and thank our third and final [TS]

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01:28:22 ◼   ► amazing anyone can backup your day you can backup your data [TS]

01:28:29 ◼   ► you know hard drives on your desk you can send it to there's all sorts of [TS]

01:28:32 ◼   ► other online services [TS]

01:28:34 ◼   ► here's the thing that they've done they can prove they can show you they have a [TS]

01:28:37 ◼   ► record a track record not just a backing up your data but getting it back to you [TS]

01:28:42 ◼   ► when you need it [TS]

01:28:43 ◼   ► they've crossed the mark they have over six billion files that users of [TS]

01:28:48 ◼   ► Backblaze have restored from back but it's not just that they've backed up six [TS]

01:28:54 ◼   ► billion 6 billion backed up files that they've gotten restored because they [TS]

01:28:58 ◼   ► needed it because of driving data file encrypt something like that you can [TS]

01:29:03 ◼   ► access all of your data from anywhere from any of your devices they have an [TS]

01:29:07 ◼   ► iPad app that lets you access and share any of your files you can restore one [TS]

01:29:12 ◼   ► file at a time or all of your files easily with their web restore 25% of all [TS]

01:29:18 ◼   ► the restores that Backblaze users do or just one file right it's super targeted [TS]

01:29:25 ◼   ► when you need it when you need that one file that you know how backed up not [TS]

01:29:29 ◼   ► just for computer disasters it's raining time when you're out in the way from [TS]

01:29:33 ◼   ► your computer and you need a file oh I know I have it on my Mac back at home [TS]

01:29:37 ◼   ► but I've got with me as my just fire up the app you can get any file on your [TS]

01:29:42 ◼   ► system [TS]

01:29:43 ◼   ► founded by Acts Apple engineers Backblaze runs natively on your Mac [TS]

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01:30:11 ◼   ► end of the thirty days again to you going to sign up for the Backblaze dot [TS]

01:30:16 ◼   ► com slash daring fireball Backblaze dot com slash during fireball I can't I [TS]

01:30:22 ◼   ► can't believe there's enough people out there who listen to the show [TS]

01:30:24 ◼   ► haven't signed up for it that they still keep sponsor the show I just opened up [TS]

01:30:29 ◼   ► the page I have not returned you you do the sponsor it for them I'm always think [TS]

01:30:33 ◼   ► I really need to do so this time I got it open it's the easiest best thing in [TS]

01:30:38 ◼   ► the world demarco had a thing that the other we had to listen 80 people Marco [TS]

01:30:41 ◼   ► had a thing where the drive in his Mac Pro went bad like real bad like a [TS]

01:30:49 ◼   ► dangerous way where he couldn't boot the machine and then when he booted from the [TS]

01:30:53 ◼   ► emergency partition and Disk Utility it all in there is nothing wrong with his [TS]

01:30:56 ◼   ► drive so did nothing wrong with the drive but he couldn't log log into it [TS]

01:30:59 ◼   ► and long story short he solved it another way I think he's super duper and [TS]

01:31:05 ◼   ► had like a super duper clinton did but like he even said on the show one of the [TS]

01:31:09 ◼   ► things and this is to me is that the the key is that peace of mind thing we're [TS]

01:31:13 ◼   ► here in the back of his mind he knew if if did laying around with what he had on [TS]

01:31:17 ◼   ► his desk with backup since you know super duper clones and and stuff like [TS]

01:31:21 ◼   ► that didn't work the worst case scenario is he still had everything in backless [TS]

01:31:26 ◼   ► it's like that that peace of mind is to me the key to back plays vs any other [TS]

01:31:33 ◼   ► thing that you could do like Time Machine and super duper clones which are [TS]

01:31:37 ◼   ► great to its that peace of mind of knowing you've got this other thing off [TS]

01:31:41 ◼   ► site in the cloud [TS]

01:31:44 ◼   ► its I've got the page open as soon as we're done recording on the side of this [TS]

01:31:48 ◼   ► because I had when I was doing my whole year somebody second partition thing I [TS]

01:31:51 ◼   ► had some some some very close calls with my own data and you know everything [TS]

01:31:56 ◼   ► that's really important I got on Dropbox I i wouldn't be totally screwed but it [TS]

01:32:01 ◼   ► would take me a good day or two to try to get my system back to the way it was [TS]

01:32:04 ◼   ► and then it's never gonna quite feel right [TS]

01:32:07 ◼   ► and to just have all my stuff out there in one place [TS]

01:32:10 ◼   ► backed up I just need to do it I'm stupid for not having done it already so [TS]

01:32:18 ◼   ► Google material design this is the new design language that Google announced [TS]

01:32:24 ◼   ► last week that IO I don't think I think to summarize it to me I'm not a daily [TS]

01:32:30 ◼   ► and reducer I mean I try to stay up to date [TS]

01:32:33 ◼   ► it's not as radical I going from the previous look to this new one is not as [TS]

01:32:38 ◼   ► big leap as iOS 6 2007 its to me a little bit more like yosemite you know [TS]

01:32:46 ◼   ► it's like their equivalent of yosemite it's it's just sort of cleaning up and [TS]

01:32:52 ◼   ► modernization in getting rid of some walking us but I think it looks bad to [TS]

01:32:56 ◼   ► first time to me that Android looks like from top to bottom that did one cohesive [TS]

01:33:01 ◼   ► set of visual guidelines for house stuff should look I think even more than the [TS]

01:33:07 ◼   ► visual update which you're right it's not a huge leap but what does feel like [TS]

01:33:10 ◼   ► a big leap is the way they're documenting and talking about the design [TS]

01:33:13 ◼   ► yeah the design side but it's weird it's a good first I was very complimentary to [TS]

01:33:19 ◼   ► it I still and date judging it mainly on what it is they're recommending that [TS]

01:33:23 ◼   ► developers do which i think is all right and good and it's not just hey add [TS]

01:33:28 ◼   ► animation to your user interfaces add animation in a way that increases [TS]

01:33:33 ◼   ► understand what's going on so if you open something it doesn't just appear on [TS]

01:33:39 ◼   ► screen it opens from somewhere like from the button that you tapped to open it [TS]

01:33:44 ◼   ► and then when you close it goes back down into the thing I was looking at the [TS]

01:33:48 ◼   ► the docs before we we jumped on to do the show just wanted to get my ducks in [TS]

01:33:54 ◼   ► a row here and I noticed comparing the the Android design stuff about animation [TS]

01:33:59 ◼   ► versus what is in the Iowa 7 Hague but get them side-by-side in iOS 7 it says [TS]

01:34:05 ◼   ► things like I'm not gonna read it verbatim but it's more or less saying [TS]

01:34:08 ◼   ► here's why [TS]

01:34:09 ◼   ► animations and here's the the scenarios and here's you wanna be reserved [TS]

01:34:13 ◼   ► to feel a certain way and the Google site is okay so here's the code to do an [TS]

01:34:19 ◼   ► animation and here's the direction things could go and maybe there's some [TS]

01:34:23 ◼   ► like footnotes here in there about why you are doing things the way you do it [TS]

01:34:26 ◼   ► but it's still very very Google yeah but some of it to me is not very very quiet [TS]

01:34:32 ◼   ► as Duarte being particularly key I don't know I never met him but these he seems [TS]

01:34:37 ◼   ► a bit he's always struck me as onstage demeanor is being a bit Thuy ok here's [TS]

01:34:46 ◼   ► here's a phrase a lot of people have called this out very early on when you [TS]

01:34:51 ◼   ► go to google.com / design and start reading up on it it's somewhere in the [TS]

01:34:55 ◼   ► first couple of pages and it says material is the metaphor now this is [TS]

01:35:00 ◼   ► reading material metaphor is the unifying theory of a rationalized space [TS]

01:35:05 ◼   ► and a system of motion our material is grounded and tactile reality inspired by [TS]

01:35:10 ◼   ► our study of paper and ink yet open to imagination and magic and what does that [TS]

01:35:16 ◼   ► mean that's a lot of what does it mean it means nothing right that is in fact [TS]

01:35:25 ◼   ► it is Don Draper route that it's actually now because it done draper of [TS]

01:35:30 ◼   ► Don Draper wrote it would it would at least make you think of something real [TS]

01:35:34 ◼   ► like I think I just larry right I feel like Don Draper would go nuts I forget [TS]

01:35:39 ◼   ► the opposite its in fact I think it's actually misleading where the only thing [TS]

01:35:44 ◼   ► you come out of that is something something study of paper and ink but [TS]

01:35:48 ◼   ► it's not the rules of their new interface are not grounded in the [TS]

01:35:53 ◼   ► realities of paper and ink right there's no school more fake Inc bleed or paper [TS]

01:35:58 ◼   ► texture and you know things balance and move in ways that paper and in camp [TS]

01:36:05 ◼   ► mountain move you know that you know you can't have it both ways and say they [TS]

01:36:11 ◼   ► have based the metaphors on paper and ink and then [TS]

01:36:13 ◼   ► increase the amount of animation and stretching that you can do right it's [TS]

01:36:20 ◼   ► actually false it's actually misleading because paper doesn't move like liquid [TS]

01:36:25 ◼   ► right I think you're better off reading the Google material design docs not [TS]

01:36:30 ◼   ► reading the actual English and just looking at a potential just like like [TS]

01:36:35 ◼   ► lorem ipsum all of the descriptions and just go through and look at it visually [TS]

01:36:40 ◼   ► and it it to me and when I did that it makes way more sense than if you try to [TS]

01:36:45 ◼   ► read it and understand with this shit about a rationalized space in a system [TS]

01:36:49 ◼   ► of motion is it very hand wavy it's like somebody somebody way too hard about [TS]

01:36:55 ◼   ► this [TS]

01:36:56 ◼   ► yeah they want to make it seem like more than it is even during the keynote I [TS]

01:37:00 ◼   ► forget the line but the guy he said the incoming I don't forget to call it that [TS]

01:37:07 ◼   ► but the the ink thing moves like water and it like right there it will put a [TS]

01:37:13 ◼   ► metaphor is it angers order choose one word you're already confusing things for [TS]

01:37:18 ◼   ► me I do think too and I think its interests had to be interesting to see [TS]

01:37:22 ◼   ► how quickly Android developers pick up on these guidelines because to me every [TS]

01:37:29 ◼   ► time I've tried Android it's the Google stuff is OK [TS]

01:37:35 ◼   ► doesn't make me happy and doesn't feel good but it's ok but as soon as you get [TS]

01:37:39 ◼   ► into third party apps it's just brutal just brutal in terms of aesthetics and [TS]

01:37:45 ◼   ► layout and part of this is the advantage that a lot of the stuff doesn't come [TS]

01:37:52 ◼   ► from the operating system really it's this Google Play services thing that you [TS]

01:37:57 ◼   ► get from the Google Play Store and it's like this shared library so that you [TS]

01:38:02 ◼   ► developers don't have to wait till everybody's running the new Android tell [TS]

01:38:06 ◼   ► you know version and they're gonna call at five point our whatever which is [TS]

01:38:10 ◼   ► going to be years but a big chunk of existing Android phones that won't get [TS]

01:38:17 ◼   ► the upgrade to the fall [TS]

01:38:19 ◼   ► new OS will get the new Google Play services which is the shared library and [TS]

01:38:24 ◼   ► I think that [TS]

01:38:25 ◼   ► this interface stuff will all be distributed through there so it's [TS]

01:38:28 ◼   ► interesting I i cant wait to see his like with with the iOS all the major [TS]

01:38:33 ◼   ► developers every app that I can't remember how long it took to every app I [TS]

01:38:37 ◼   ► use on a daily basis was updated Fri 07 but it didn't take long as I wanted to [TS]

01:38:42 ◼   ► hold out I like my first two home screens I don't know that Android has [TS]

01:38:48 ◼   ► developers who care about stuff like that [TS]

01:38:51 ◼   ► what seems like what they're trying to do looking at the google.com / design [TS]

01:38:55 ◼   ► this is pretty well put together they're trying really hard to make it look like [TS]

01:39:00 ◼   ► they care about design and that sounds dismissive but what I mean is they they [TS]

01:39:05 ◼   ► they're really trying to get across the importance of design to developers like [TS]

01:39:10 ◼   ► to maybe they've they've recognized that that lack of consistency there's a given [TS]

01:39:14 ◼   ► fragmentation within the design of third-party apps and maybe if they can [TS]

01:39:18 ◼   ► bump up Claudia maybe they can set an example they can pump up across the [TS]

01:39:22 ◼   ► board [TS]

01:39:23 ◼   ► it's interesting to me that Apple's approach to this is they create [TS]

01:39:27 ◼   ► thoughtful designs that people want to emulate them going document those [TS]

01:39:31 ◼   ► designs and people will try to achieve that themselves whereas Google will [TS]

01:39:35 ◼   ► write documentation and make API's yeah I did I noticed that too that I i watch [TS]

01:39:41 ◼   ► that whole interminable keynote they don't show as many apps as anyone near [TS]

01:39:49 ◼   ► as many apps as Apple did when they should I was seven and and you know I [TS]

01:39:53 ◼   ► think it speaks to the way Apple works where Apple AAPL did redesign every [TS]

01:39:59 ◼   ► single part of iOS you know all the apps mail and calendar [TS]

01:40:04 ◼   ► you know everything and it's the way you know let's face it you know you can [TS]

01:40:10 ◼   ► admit it you do you read The Hague but let's face it you design stuff mostly by [TS]

01:40:15 ◼   ► to look at what Apple's done you digested and internalized ok here's the [TS]

01:40:20 ◼   ► way it's supposed to be and then you kind of shoot from the hip you go from [TS]

01:40:23 ◼   ► your gut and you know it you know you don't sit there with the hague open and [TS]

01:40:28 ◼   ► you know ok it says sixteen point between these two things so I make these [TS]

01:40:33 ◼   ► two 16 points and some point you go [TS]

01:40:36 ◼   ► you know make sure you've got everything like that right but when you've got [TS]

01:40:39 ◼   ► Photoshop open you're creating art not a description right in the asss all the [TS]

01:40:45 ◼   ► time but the Gandhis guidelines and I think of the hague more is like the the [TS]

01:40:50 ◼   ► instructions that come with the new device or your toaster something like [TS]

01:40:54 ◼   ► you've you might think you're gonna look through it you're gonna get the basics [TS]

01:40:57 ◼   ► and you might refer to it later but it's not you don't even sitting next year [TS]

01:41:01 ◼   ► toasters toast you read it [TS]

01:41:03 ◼   ► same thing with like Strunk and white or any other writing guidelines for [TS]

01:41:06 ◼   ► writer's writer doesn't sit there with you know the Chicago Manual of Style [TS]

01:41:11 ◼   ► open and for each sentence look it up [TS]

01:41:15 ◼   ► how am I supposed to structure the sentence the writer just right and then [TS]

01:41:18 ◼   ► every once in a while you run into a sticky situation or your editor will [TS]

01:41:22 ◼   ► save somebody's read it will point to a sentence and say oh isn't this ambiguous [TS]

01:41:26 ◼   ► here you know and then you think why do need to look at the guidelines you know [TS]

01:41:29 ◼   ► let me see but while you're actually writing you're in a completely different [TS]

01:41:33 ◼   ► modes are not referring to us at rules you've already internalized them right [TS]

01:41:38 ◼   ► and I do you have that that structure that framework in your head or you don't [TS]

01:41:41 ◼   ► and it did seem like Google and I think you know I think part of it is just the [TS]

01:41:46 ◼   ► way Google is different than a plane part of it too though is that they're [TS]

01:41:48 ◼   ► aware that their developer base is different you know I think your point [TS]

01:41:52 ◼   ► there about internalizing it you're you're right and i think is what's [TS]

01:41:56 ◼   ► telling here is that Google is is setting this up I mean if you're if [TS]

01:42:02 ◼   ► you're not a good designer than no amount of documentation is gonna make [TS]

01:42:06 ◼   ► you a good designer but I think if I have some kind of objection if I haven't [TS]

01:42:11 ◼   ► a strong opinion about the way Google is doing things here it's that they're sort [TS]

01:42:14 ◼   ► of presenting it as a flake ok just read this and i could be good at it [TS]

01:42:17 ◼   ► yeah and I think that that's there probably wrong on that part I think but [TS]

01:42:22 ◼   ► me know obviously you when I use the word bias River biased but I do think we [TS]

01:42:28 ◼   ► we as a whole [TS]

01:42:29 ◼   ► collectively have talked a lot over the years about how iOS the average iOS user [TS]

01:42:34 ◼   ► is different from the average Android user and that's one of the reasons why [TS]

01:42:38 ◼   ► raw market share comparisons are far less valid than in any other context [TS]

01:42:44 ◼   ► because [TS]

01:42:45 ◼   ► they're not if the users are have different expectations different reasons [TS]

01:42:51 ◼   ► for buying the device if they spend different amount of money if they have [TS]

01:42:54 ◼   ► different amounts of Education [TS]

01:42:56 ◼   ► different income levels if they live in different places if they tend you know [TS]

01:43:01 ◼   ► tend to live in different countries that makes a big difference on the value of [TS]

01:43:05 ◼   ► them collectively as you know can you build a business just addressing these [TS]

01:43:10 ◼   ► developers I think last spoken about but maybe even just as important is that I [TS]

01:43:16 ◼   ► think there's very clearly a demographic difference between Android developers [TS]

01:43:20 ◼   ► and iOS developers in the same way that there was always a difference between [TS]

01:43:24 ◼   ► Windows developers and Mac developers [TS]

01:43:27 ◼   ► totally agree with that I think it's a very similar difference you know and [TS]

01:43:31 ◼   ► that there'll be some companies will design you know have the same teams and [TS]

01:43:35 ◼   ► have designers who had to do is make an app that looks as similar as we can on [TS]

01:43:39 ◼   ► iOS and Android and there's develop you know developers and designers who are [TS]

01:43:45 ◼   ► working on both and I'm sure I know I've read blog posts from some of them there [TS]

01:43:49 ◼   ► are designers you know talented designers who are either fans of Android [TS]

01:43:54 ◼   ► or just the nature of your job is that's where they're working I'm not trying to [TS]

01:43:58 ◼   ► make the eggs you know I'm not jumping to any kind of extreme conclusion that [TS]

01:44:01 ◼   ► there is no good designers working on Android but I think I feel very [TS]

01:44:06 ◼   ► confident saying that most good mobile UI designers are either iOS only I was [TS]

01:44:12 ◼   ► first right i think thats some of that is that there's a moving target problem [TS]

01:44:18 ◼   ► with Android where which device which set of API's are you designing for ya [TS]

01:44:25 ◼   ► which version of the OS redesigning for are you designing for hardware keyboard [TS]

01:44:28 ◼   ► redesigning for soccer keyboardist I like a jog dial thing on the side that [TS]

01:44:31 ◼   ► used to navigate or is it all touch screen and it's it's all of it even a [TS]

01:44:36 ◼   ► little bit but even that a lot because I i Android especially at the farm level [TS]

01:44:40 ◼   ► has unified they've got rid of all those things like all those things that used [TS]

01:44:44 ◼   ► to be claimed to be his strength of the platform that some of the devices you [TS]

01:44:49 ◼   ► know if you want to a hardware keyboard you can have a hardware keyboard if you [TS]

01:44:52 ◼   ► want to jog dial you can have a job [TS]

01:44:54 ◼   ► one of the front of those things anymore they're just that that's good for [TS]

01:44:58 ◼   ► everybody but it means that there's there's still there's still some moving [TS]

01:45:02 ◼   ► target stuff for Android hardware and where a designer for Apple platform you [TS]

01:45:06 ◼   ► kind of like you know the screen size and you know the resolution and you know [TS]

01:45:10 ◼   ► how how big a thing needs to be and how you hold it and where your thumb ends up [TS]

01:45:14 ◼   ► and and that plus the fact that most users I'm gonna get in trouble for [TS]

01:45:21 ◼   ► saying this but by and large paid software on Android does not sell as [TS]

01:45:26 ◼   ► well as on I was gonna get in trouble for I think everybody I was that was the [TS]

01:45:31 ◼   ► more political version but it's nobody is going to spend a ton of time [TS]

01:45:37 ◼   ► designing software nobody's gonna spend the money to pay a great designer to [TS]

01:45:41 ◼   ► make software that nobody's gonna buy it does make you wonder 444 absurd always [TS]

01:45:47 ◼   ► gonna be free like a major and OB appt that is you mean you pay for it but it's [TS]

01:45:52 ◼   ► like this so mass-market that it doesn't matter that there's no inherent I was [TS]

01:45:57 ◼   ► for Sandra bias there necessarily or something that is like maybe the Major [TS]

01:46:02 ◼   ► League Soccer app where you just if you're a fan you're going to download it [TS]

01:46:06 ◼   ► it's free and it's the app exists to help get you excited about a different [TS]

01:46:11 ◼   ► thing they they make their money elsewhere you really look like a Twitter [TS]

01:46:15 ◼   ► a perfect but it surprises me that there's those companies aren't spending [TS]

01:46:19 ◼   ► more on Android design and me too I don't know one thing that I'm wondering [TS]

01:46:26 ◼   ► about I've noticed and I think that the new Google material design is largely in [TS]

01:46:31 ◼   ► line with it is like when you look at the Google Maps app for iOS you have the [TS]

01:46:35 ◼   ► Google Maps app yeah yeah that's the that's my daily use maps out it looks [TS]

01:46:40 ◼   ► it's it wasn't designed that Google Maps iOS app was not designed in isolation [TS]

01:46:46 ◼   ► from this material design it's not exactly the same but it's you know the [TS]

01:46:53 ◼   ► big differences Apple that has you know and we it comes down to like what we [TS]

01:46:56 ◼   ► talked about an hour ago about how yosemite and iOS 7 look related but they [TS]

01:47:00 ◼   ► don't look like the same thing whereas material design their their flat out [TS]

01:47:05 ◼   ► saying it's meant to look the same [TS]

01:47:07 ◼   ► on Chromebook and tablet and on a phone and I think implicitly some of the [TS]

01:47:14 ◼   ► screenshots they've shown showed apps with an iOS status bar not Android [TS]

01:47:19 ◼   ► status bar and that I think that they're they're presenting this is a design [TS]

01:47:23 ◼   ► language that you could use for iOS apps too and I think that they themselves are [TS]

01:47:28 ◼   ► sort of been doing that their apps to me avoid you know started looking a little [TS]

01:47:32 ◼   ► bit more like Moon Man iOS apps to be a little tricky because they would have to [TS]

01:47:38 ◼   ► give out some kind of framework SDK to make those API is working I thought well [TS]

01:47:43 ◼   ► I don't know if they're I don't know if they're going to mean for third-party [TS]

01:47:46 ◼   ► developers to do that or if it's just something they're doing themselves [TS]

01:47:49 ◼   ► internally but don't you think I can I look at maps like they've got like a [TS]

01:47:52 ◼   ► back button that uses an hour 0 instead of a Chevrolet and it doesn't doesn't [TS]

01:47:58 ◼   ► slide from the side I was relationship with Google right now is such that I [TS]

01:48:04 ◼   ► write that a lot of that off as just google sayings Curry who has agreed to [TS]

01:48:09 ◼   ► our own thing we don't care for looks like an eye on it but it doesn't you [TS]

01:48:12 ◼   ► know it's close enough they're related enough it's not like Windows Phone which [TS]

01:48:17 ◼   ► Windows Phone is very different metaphor right right it would really stick out [TS]

01:48:22 ◼   ► where is this is two takes on the same basic idea yeah and I think I mean he [TS]

01:48:29 ◼   ► said Google Maps as my daily use maps app and I don't find myself thinking I [TS]

01:48:34 ◼   ► don't hate it I don't feel grossed out by its coolness but it doesn't look like [TS]

01:48:38 ◼   ► an iOS 7 right and I wonder like I feel like they're going that route with like [TS]

01:48:44 ◼   ► Gmail and stuff to do that's the other app that's what happened did show off in [TS]

01:48:49 ◼   ► the keynote and I have to say the new Gmail app looks so much better then that [TS]

01:48:56 ◼   ► you stalk ya I haven't seen it but i i i dont understand the people who used the [TS]

01:49:04 ◼   ► Gmail web interface for the [TS]

01:49:06 ◼   ► like I just used the stock my lap belt the new Gmail app looks a lot more used [TS]

01:49:10 ◼   ► to icon and rated looked like a web app and just even though was a native app [TS]

01:49:14 ◼   ► just looked is just the space in the typography was just horrible [TS]

01:49:19 ◼   ► really really bad last thing I wanted to talk about and this is from i/o is is [TS]

01:49:27 ◼   ► that in broad terms I i guess i wanna write about that under informal to think [TS]

01:49:31 ◼   ► about ever since is that there's all sorts of details and I love to examine [TS]

01:49:35 ◼   ► the details you know spend you know you could spend the whole show just talked [TS]

01:49:38 ◼   ► about the difference between Roboto font but if you zoom out take the ten [TS]

01:49:44 ◼   ► thousand foot perspective it's kind of remarkable and I think unremarked upon [TS]

01:49:49 ◼   ► just how similar we targeted Google and Apple's initiatives are right [TS]

01:49:56 ◼   ► tech company talking about you know set-top devices that run mobile OS and [TS]

01:50:04 ◼   ► have an App Store and wearables and watch apples and health tracking and [TS]

01:50:09 ◼   ► heart rate monitors and footstep monitors and an API for apps to track [TS]

01:50:14 ◼   ► those things you know and I know that Apple wrist wearable install rumor not a [TS]

01:50:21 ◼   ► thing but I mean it's it's one of those rumors that has a lot of smoke and [TS]

01:50:25 ◼   ► everybody's talking about it and people been talking about an improved Apple TV [TS]

01:50:28 ◼   ► with an app store for years the health and fitness tracking Apple announced the [TS]

01:50:34 ◼   ► health API's home automation they're both talking about that Google bought [TS]

01:50:39 ◼   ► next Apple you know flat-out came out with iOS he said you know here we're [TS]

01:50:44 ◼   ► adding these things and we're working with all these companies to see your [TS]

01:50:48 ◼   ► garage door opener on you know your thermostat and whatever can all be [TS]

01:50:52 ◼   ► hooked up notably nest was not on that right [TS]

01:50:55 ◼   ► very noticeably it's all the same sort of basic ideas right car integration [TS]

01:51:01 ◼   ► there's another obvious when you can say it all this stuff is obvious but they're [TS]

01:51:05 ◼   ► both all those things are on both companies agendas how much of that do [TS]

01:51:10 ◼   ► you think is me too [TS]

01:51:12 ◼   ► how much of it do you think is that's just where they even in a vacuum both [TS]

01:51:16 ◼   ► companies would have ended up here I don't know I find it remarkable to me [TS]

01:51:20 ◼   ► it's very remarkable that they're all all of those things I just mentioned ro [TS]

01:51:24 ◼   ► all on both on both companies agendas I mean because I think I know I think I [TS]

01:51:29 ◼   ► know enough to say I don't know enough to say that Apple is coming out with a [TS]

01:51:33 ◼   ► wearable device that you were wearing arrest but I do know enough I can say [TS]

01:51:39 ◼   ► with certainty that they have investigated it thoroughly and that if [TS]

01:51:42 ◼   ► they don't it's because they rejected the Dave you know that they have people [TS]

01:51:46 ◼   ► who I know we're working on a wearable for your wrist so they at least looked [TS]

01:51:51 ◼   ► at it all of those things right watches congress wearables cause I'm not [TS]

01:51:58 ◼   ► convinced that that they're the ones I can be successful gonna be watched like [TS]

01:52:02 ◼   ► but let's say something you wear it health fitness tracking home automation [TS]

01:52:06 ◼   ► car integration TV set tops all the same things I just find it remarkable that [TS]

01:52:11 ◼   ► both companies have their sights even as their what else could they get into yeah [TS]

01:52:18 ◼   ► I don't know if it's if it's just that they're also too obvious ideas for [TS]

01:52:23 ◼   ► expansion or a byproduct of the relationship between Apple and Google [TS]

01:52:29 ◼   ► now where they're so like I for a long time you'd say that their friends and [TS]

01:52:33 ◼   ► and I think we might be moving either in the middle of or right at the end of [TS]

01:52:39 ◼   ► frenemies territory and it's about to get ugly [TS]

01:52:41 ◼   ► yeah I would say that we're past that I think they're in our tribal territory I [TS]

01:52:44 ◼   ► really think it's already there [TS]

01:52:46 ◼   ► yeah I do I think it's been there ever since the I think it's been there for [TS]

01:52:50 ◼   ► years ever since the Steve Jobs internal Apple thing that don't be evil is [TS]

01:52:55 ◼   ► bullshit you know I think it's been that way since I mean outwardly like the way [TS]

01:53:00 ◼   ► they behave to each other but even even after that it was still the maps app is [TS]

01:53:04 ◼   ► powered by Google yeah but only because it had to be in a switch [TS]

01:53:07 ◼   ► you know they switch before probably a year before they were ready but they had [TS]

01:53:12 ◼   ► to do it anyway because they couldn't get an extra year you know [TS]

01:53:15 ◼   ► very contentious you know I know I don't know I still don't know exactly I'd love [TS]

01:53:21 ◼   ► to know in hindsight how much of it was 90 forestall took the blame for that [TS]

01:53:26 ◼   ► seriously lacking in quality of it and as it debuts and I think that the just I [TS]

01:53:33 ◼   ► don't know this for a fact I think this is all third-hand but the gist is that [TS]

01:53:38 ◼   ► that the maps team led the rest of Apple to think it no it's not going to be as [TS]

01:53:44 ◼   ► good as Google Maps is gonna be problems were gonna take a hit on this but that [TS]

01:53:48 ◼   ► here's where we are you know the bar if a hundred percent is as good as Google [TS]

01:53:52 ◼   ► Maps we're at 75 and given all the other considerations you know that's why we [TS]

01:53:59 ◼   ► should go ahead and do it now because running any get from 75 to 100 130 of [TS]

01:54:03 ◼   ► real-world usage can improve it but then when it shipped it was like 40 on a [TS]

01:54:09 ◼   ► scale one hundred and that there was less than what the internal team had [TS]

01:54:13 ◼   ► promised even if what they had promised was not as good as Google Maps like [TS]

01:54:16 ◼   ► nobody in Apple nobody thought we were gonna make this transition and it's [TS]

01:54:20 ◼   ► going to be just as good I mean everybody knew you could just look at [TS]

01:54:23 ◼   ► certain maps and see it in a basement and not even that but transit transit [TS]

01:54:28 ◼   ► directions [TS]

01:54:29 ◼   ► yea well exactly which you know they're only adding now right isn't that is not [TS]

01:54:35 ◼   ► an ISA miss remember if it is I missed it but obviously they knew that they [TS]

01:54:40 ◼   ► were losing out on transit directions which by the way is the reason that I [TS]

01:54:44 ◼   ► switch to using Google Maps is my new york I need to know which train today [TS]

01:54:48 ◼   ► yeah she absolutely you know you live in an area where you depend on public [TS]

01:54:52 ◼   ► transportation it's you know like night and day right it's like having a weather [TS]

01:54:56 ◼   ► app that doesn't even show your location it is it true you know like I think I [TS]

01:55:00 ◼   ► went dark sky shipped it was like only had like aus [TS]

01:55:04 ◼   ► data source who I know there have been some weather apps that only a few s [TS]

01:55:07 ◼   ► whether you know no matter how cold the APAs if you live in Europe it's [TS]

01:55:11 ◼   ► worthless you know if you take the subway to get to get places in New York [TS]

01:55:18 ◼   ► City Apple maps isn't going to help you at all but I'm curious whether if you [TS]

01:55:24 ◼   ► know and I think it was a problem [TS]

01:55:26 ◼   ► for forced on and as you know in terms of accountability that it wasn't as good [TS]

01:55:33 ◼   ► as opposed to have been and as they were led to have been but I don't know that [TS]

01:55:37 ◼   ► they still wouldn't have switched at the same time anyway it's just that maybe [TS]

01:55:41 ◼   ► they would have positioned to different marketing wise to set the expectations [TS]

01:55:45 ◼   ► lower because they were in such a tight spot in terms of Google demanding really [TS]

01:55:51 ◼   ► deep access to users personal location data in exchange for the things that [TS]

01:55:58 ◼   ► Apple really needed from Google which were vector-based maps instead of bitmap [TS]

01:56:02 ◼   ► maps and drive driving directions and the things that you really need for a [TS]

01:56:07 ◼   ► good maps databases data and they they even said that the more you use it the [TS]

01:56:12 ◼   ► better the service is gonna get it so I think maybe in in a perfect or something [TS]

01:56:17 ◼   ► perfect world they would have baby because it look what else did they have [TS]

01:56:20 ◼   ► the wound up being way better after more people used to because of data series [TS]

01:56:25 ◼   ► yeah so maybe they would have liked launched this alongside the maps app is [TS]

01:56:30 ◼   ► like the new maps beta I don't know how they could have done it if their [TS]

01:56:34 ◼   ► relationship is better but that given the state of the relationships I [TS]

01:56:37 ◼   ► actually think even knowing how bad the initial version of maps was gonna be the [TS]

01:56:41 ◼   ► day did the right thing I think the wrong thing was that they didn't [TS]

01:56:44 ◼   ► presented in lower expectations and they could have even been more forthright [TS]

01:56:48 ◼   ► about the fact that it was contentious you know that you know I don't know [TS]

01:56:53 ◼   ► there's some way that they could have presented it that would have lowered [TS]

01:56:55 ◼   ► expectations accordingly and stuff to sell it that way but it's better than [TS]

01:57:01 ◼   ► what they went through though I mean you can say that stuff to sell but it's a [TS]

01:57:04 ◼   ► lot tougher to say wow [TS]

01:57:06 ◼   ► new maps is gonna be awesome and then you got the maps and house was I just [TS]

01:57:12 ◼   ► leave it sits I'm trying to imagine Apple getting up in like what they say [TS]

01:57:16 ◼   ► how they point out how contentious relationship maybe cadet maybe that they [TS]

01:57:20 ◼   ► couldn't get into but somehow they could have said look into this and it's gonna [TS]

01:57:25 ◼   ► protect you know they can emphasize the protection of privacy which is true it [TS]

01:57:30 ◼   ► absolutely no there's no spin involved there you could say it's been by [TS]

01:57:34 ◼   ► emphasizing the privacy protection [TS]

01:57:36 ◼   ► because I was the bottom line is that Google was demanding access to user [TS]

01:57:43 ◼   ► identifiable personal location data in exchange for all of the things that [TS]

01:57:47 ◼   ► Apple needed to improve maps using Google Maps and it was you know that [TS]

01:57:51 ◼   ► there was no going forward from that and they had denounced the switch you know [TS]

01:57:56 ◼   ► they could announce the switch mid year they had to the contract was up I think [TS]

01:58:01 ◼   ► the to renew it for more than one year it was either do it now when the [TS]

01:58:06 ◼   ► contract's up or you know go through the pain of having all this you know succumb [TS]

01:58:12 ◼   ► to Google's demands for user data which they weren't gonna do you know it's it's [TS]

01:58:17 ◼   ► an interesting point the contentiousness of the relationship because people like [TS]

01:58:21 ◼   ► you and me do that but that's not everyone who uses an iPhone oh alright [TS]

01:58:26 ◼   ► and Apple knows that and doesn't expect for Apple's internal negotiation [TS]

01:58:31 ◼   ► problems to be you know that's apples pineapple knows that that's their [TS]

01:58:34 ◼   ► problem not the user's problem but you know that's an instance where it [TS]

01:58:38 ◼   ► effectively became that users problem it's an interesting thought experiment [TS]

01:58:42 ◼   ► though the back and think about you know just yesterday was the seven year [TS]

01:58:47 ◼   ► anniversary of when the first iPhone ship and think I don't know why [TS]

01:58:50 ◼   ► everybody was making a penny I haven't posted a few photos comparing the two [TS]

01:58:54 ◼   ► you know why seven a big deal I'm not quite sure but you know June 29 and it's [TS]

01:59:02 ◼   ► interesting to go back to seven years ago and think about how you know the [TS]

01:59:06 ◼   ► Google was a partner in the iPhone right now it was called on stage in the [TS]

01:59:10 ◼   ► keynote was introduced and was all hugs and smiles he was a board member at [TS]

01:59:15 ◼   ► Apple and there is this whole look will make the awesome device in Google will [TS]

01:59:19 ◼   ► provide the awesome you know cloud services like Maps and YouTube it [TS]

01:59:26 ◼   ► interesting to think we'd be today if that relationship had stayed like that [TS]

01:59:29 ◼   ► and Google hadn't gone into Android and built their own competitor to the iPhone [TS]

01:59:35 ◼   ► and was you know there was more of a happy relationship there I don't think [TS]

01:59:40 ◼   ► it would have lasted anyway because I think even without Android Google would [TS]

01:59:43 ◼   ► have demanded the same [TS]

01:59:45 ◼   ► it wouldn't have changed schools thirst for privacy invasive collection of user [TS]

01:59:51 ◼   ► data and you could argue that it's a good thing even I mean it may be [TS]

01:59:55 ◼   ► annoying for Apple that with a dividend rate but at the same time that [TS]

02:00:00 ◼   ► relationship has evolved to wear them in the rivalry of that relationship is such [TS]

02:00:03 ◼   ► that we're gonna win out in a big way if both companies are making all of these [TS]

02:00:09 ◼   ► different kinds of things at the same time that means we as consumers get a [TS]

02:00:14 ◼   ► choice and where we've got two very powerful companies with a lot of [TS]

02:00:18 ◼   ► technology behind them finding out who can make the better thing and I don't [TS]

02:00:23 ◼   ► know I think kind of feel like Google's business model exists in Apple's blind [TS]

02:00:28 ◼   ► spot at the time that it just never like Microsoft Apple understood right they're [TS]

02:00:33 ◼   ► going to make a competing platform into gonna sell it for $15 a pop gems you [TS]

02:00:38 ◼   ► know they understood that they didn't use the same business model but I think [TS]

02:00:42 ◼   ► that they saw like their potential competitors for the iPhone is being [TS]

02:00:47 ◼   ► companies like rim you know making ground of doing that I you know the same [TS]

02:00:52 ◼   ► thing as Apple making the whole which the services the devices and something [TS]

02:00:57 ◼   ► like Microsoft where somebody would sell commercial system 20 am's for a profit I [TS]

02:01:03 ◼   ► think the whole idea of we're just gonna give it away for free and sell things it [TS]

02:01:08 ◼   ► costs and make it up by collecting user data and using that data to sell [TS]

02:01:12 ◼   ► advertising it I think it existed blind spot for Apple so you think they just [TS]

02:01:17 ◼   ► say they'd never expected to be able to make this kind of stuff yeah I don't [TS]

02:01:21 ◼   ► think that I don't think that that Apple in 2007 when they'd agreed hey when you [TS]

02:01:27 ◼   ► know the stories that have come out center that the maps app was relatively [TS]

02:01:31 ◼   ► late edition but it was like hey what if we did this what if we have maps and we [TS]

02:01:34 ◼   ► have GPS and we can triangulate location with cell towers and we could get a [TS]

02:01:41 ◼   ► really cool what if we work with Google and get a really cool version of maps [TS]

02:01:43 ◼   ► and it was cool right it was a really you know that was one of those things [TS]

02:01:50 ◼   ► that made the iPhone not a phone you know it was like his new thing you had [TS]

02:01:54 ◼   ► live updating maps in her hand was amazing you know I didn't know that was [TS]

02:01:58 ◼   ► a late addition but that makes sense and it shows that because the first iPhone [TS]

02:02:01 ◼   ► didn't have GPS yeah yeah I didn't have GPS think it I think it was entirely [TS]

02:02:06 ◼   ► cellphone triangulation and WiFi network of known wi-fi locations general with [TS]

02:02:13 ◼   ► the early 12 if you if you had like a new wifi like I had used to carry around [TS]

02:02:20 ◼   ► a little airport express my suitcase I guess I still take some places but you [TS]

02:02:25 ◼   ► know that way I would hook up to the hotel cities in the hotel's wifi use [TS]

02:02:28 ◼   ► Ethernet used the hotel's internet and set up the iPhone we had no idea where I [TS]

02:02:34 ◼   ► was until I got off the wifi so I don't know I don't know where where we would [TS]

02:02:43 ◼   ► be to think that there was a shipping thing they did that maybe that's the [TS]

02:02:47 ◼   ► thing about the seven years is looking back and thinking how primitive was this [TS]

02:02:52 ◼   ► thing it was so advanced at the time but from in only seven years it's become I [TS]

02:02:58 ◼   ► don't know almost all the folksy to think to think about of an iPhone [TS]

02:03:03 ◼   ► shipping without GPS now with a truly shitty camera too crazy it was like it [TS]

02:03:12 ◼   ► shipped with a really nice cell phone camera and what I used to think of his [TS]

02:03:16 ◼   ► cell phone camera quality as I going to get paid to do this thing because [TS]

02:03:21 ◼   ► yesterday I took photos side-by-side photos with the 5s in the original [TS]

02:03:24 ◼   ► iPhone and I had to figure out how to get the photos from the old iPhone to my [TS]

02:03:31 ◼   ► new iphone to post on Twitter and I didn't want to go through the Mac I was [TS]

02:03:35 ◼   ► just sitting there watching soccer games and stuff and I couldn't figure it out [TS]

02:03:39 ◼   ► cause I couldn't send text messages cause I didn't have any so I don't have [TS]

02:03:43 ◼   ► the SIM card for the old iPhone it was running an old version of iOS didn't [TS]

02:03:48 ◼   ► have a message of course there you know old reliable email you can always email [TS]

02:03:54 ◼   ► yourself something and then went to email the photo and just emailed it to [TS]

02:04:01 ◼   ► myself but it didn't ask me do you want to send small medium [TS]

02:04:04 ◼   ► just send it I don't remember that and then it showed up on my new iphone [TS]

02:04:09 ◼   ► couple seconds later and one was only like a hundred and nine k its rocket and [TS]

02:04:15 ◼   ► then I realized nope that's how soon that was they didn't ask because the [TS]

02:04:19 ◼   ► false Hayes photo was only like 200 is crazy night last thing I know we've got [TS]

02:04:26 ◼   ► a long as long as I talk show standards but to me it is emblematic of the [TS]

02:04:30 ◼   ► differences is is the car stuff isn't shipping yet the home automation stuff [TS]

02:04:36 ◼   ► isn't really shipping and I know that there's new stuff with nest the one [TS]

02:04:41 ◼   ► thing that started to ship are the watches right and now they've they [TS]

02:04:46 ◼   ► shipped the first to Google wear watches and they had on-site they didn't give [TS]

02:04:53 ◼   ► them to people yet the prototypes of the month at perot types but like early [TS]

02:04:57 ◼   ► production models of the Moto 360 which is the round it it doesn't even use the [TS]

02:05:03 ◼   ► whole circle yeah that's the bottom of the bottom it's not actually around [TS]

02:05:10 ◼   ► there's actually I thought it was a bug and I read so if you look at the [TS]

02:05:15 ◼   ► pictures of the Moto 360 at the very bottom of the front face like it the 6 [TS]

02:05:19 ◼   ► o'clock area there's a small black bars like it's almost like a bottom [TS]

02:05:24 ◼   ► letterboxing of a few pixels at the bottom of the screen and apparently [TS]

02:05:28 ◼   ► that's a feature not a bug it's where the displayed they can display drivers I [TS]

02:05:34 ◼   ► don't know that means but I guess it's in other words for some technical reason [TS]

02:05:40 ◼   ► it couldn't make the full display round I'm gonna call that a bug it's just it [TS]

02:05:45 ◼   ► looks like somebody screwed up coughing and Instagram picture right will who who [TS]

02:05:48 ◼   ► when you settle on that who says well good enough it's it's it looks like a [TS]

02:05:56 ◼   ► joke it looks as if they've Korpi had tweeted that it looks like something [TS]

02:06:00 ◼   ► that would come out of a plastic egg to me it everything about those watches and [TS]

02:06:06 ◼   ► normalizes the difference between Google and Apple and Google fans and Apple fans [TS]

02:06:12 ◼   ► you know I don't mean it like [TS]

02:06:14 ◼   ► fans may not be the best people who tend to be drawn to Apple products versus [TS]

02:06:19 ◼   ► people who tend to be drawn to products and Sensibility yeah and it just [TS]

02:06:23 ◼   ► emphasizes how different we are and in fact like for example the reaction from [TS]

02:06:29 ◼   ► people who like stuff and maybe they're people who own a pair of Google glass [TS]

02:06:39 ◼   ► and they attended Ohio and they were there and they got to choose the speed [TS]

02:06:44 ◼   ► they gave you either the Samsung or LG rectangular and they said later in the [TS]

02:06:49 ◼   ► year will give you the Moto 361 too and they had the 360 is there you can play [TS]

02:06:55 ◼   ► with in demo mode but you couldn't take it with him [TS]

02:06:58 ◼   ► those people and they say I like it I've got my samsung year live on I like it [TS]

02:07:03 ◼   ► it's it's nice but I you know wow the the motorists the Moto 361 is even nicer [TS]