00:00:00 ◼ ► boy really had a hard time getting my hands on Dec two weeks later it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► still feels like a lot to digest there's life there's a lot so there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/6">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► yeah she's a man attacked and then do seem tires have cultural change ya have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/12">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► you watched a lot of sessions in the weekends are caught up or or read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/20">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► developer documentation yeah I've been observing as much as they can in passage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/26">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► you literally don't know where to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/32">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► well here's what I would think I i think i mentioned as you know the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/34">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► is a goddamn blur when I mentioned on stage on stage show which was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/38">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► previous episode but I think I mentioned this but I think it deserves more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/42">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► attention because I think even more of it than I understood the day after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/46">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► keynote so much of what they announced technically comes down to XP see yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/50">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► right now and we've known you know and that's that's apples term for her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/59">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► application communication right tax i guesses yeah it's nice it's a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/63">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► framework based on mark message passing ok and they've been working on it for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/69">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► long time and I think you guys mentioned this on the debugger roundtable which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/77">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► was amazing to me because you guys had like six guys in there and it really was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/85">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► I gonna orderly discussion everybody got to speak planning actually yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/90">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► we will then say munoz said you know that makes all the difference in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/98">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► world could you can do little things I you make eye contact and I think I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/102">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► got a point you can kinda like you know I've got something and people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/106">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► concede you whereas if you're all over Skype a lot more crosstalk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/109">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► we are now in really well and I'm not just saying that cause its actual bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/120">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► you know I think listening to your show would probably get a kick out of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/126">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► one right but it one of the points I was brought up i think is Ryan Nelsen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/129">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► brought up that outside developers have known for a while that Apple had this X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/133">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► PC architecture and was using it for their own stuff in the system because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/139">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► you can see it in like the stack traces you get when an app crashes you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/144">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► that that's going on in yellow give you being a very share sheets they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/149">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► anyone think like the Facebook sharing stuff like Facebook and Twitter yes yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/152">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► that will come up and what's happening is in your process there's a UI remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/159">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► control it's called and that's basically just basically canvas in which some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/163">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► the process is projected into into Europe and you know previously if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/169">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► was about something you would crash you need to see a stack trace of all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/176">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► the private goodies it went on behind the scenes to make that happen so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/180">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► knew that stuff was going on and you could see you know I have to be a genius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/184">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► if you knew that was going on and you could see that that's how Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/189">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► implemented the Twitter and Facebook sharing then you could kind of think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/193">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► well then there could be an API so that anybody could get into that share sheet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/197">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► and we all kind of hope that that was going to happen last year and didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/202">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► follow the reason for that is it had been at least two operating systems did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/207">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► it it actually had been in there alright I think it was I was 6 for some of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/213">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► the sharing stuff started right could be better think XTC was even in 538 567 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/217">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► before they opened it up to third parties yet now and I don't I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/225">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► actually believe XTC itself is open to third-party so I can check no but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/229">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► exactly right that they're they're building all this stuff on top of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/235">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► that's how the keyboards you know all this crazy stuff when a crazy but all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/239">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► this seemingly divergence like the shearing sheds and keyboards and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/243">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► pretty sure I have the new web kids there's an all-new WebKit API and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/251">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► went all along time where when Apple switch to the jet the just-in-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/259">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► compiler which requires memory being marked as executable therefore didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/264">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► for the third party Web kid framework that only Safari got to use the faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► WebKit and they didn't slow down third-party WebKit they just didn't let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/275">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► third-party apps that embed web can take advantage of the new thing which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/281">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► subtle difference but it's it is it's kind of funny yet started a slow down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/286">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► just spend their own thing up but a lot of people took it is that they was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/290">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► security I'm pretty sure that that XP CD to write so it's it's it's not that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/297">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► know the way that they've done this and they've given all apps that use the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/304">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► web kid API the fastest web kid on the system is not by having WebKit running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/308">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► within Europe anymore it's a separate process and much like Safari has been on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/314">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► the macro while where you've got these separate rendering processes in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/321">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► restricted sandbox that only do the rendering and then they'd projector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/326">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► review into the app through X PC so until now for new weapon on iOS the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/331">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► reason that allow just-in-time compiler is because you completely shielded from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/339">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► ya like you you you see the results presented in your application but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/344">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► malicious code can write the actual the actual rendering process is a separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/349">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► plugin or whatever yeah same thing with the keyboards and so it is it's the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/356">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► story is actually see it so one of things I was saying maybe last week was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/364">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► think everybody's going to talk about swiftlet but the big stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/370">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► basically the extensions and ecstasy and one that allows it to happen now and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/375">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► the future and it's a very Apple like way of doing it we repeat ourselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/382">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► frequently where you know so many times there's you know here's what we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/390">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► apple please let us do this and then they listen to it and they think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/395">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► the actual problem and then they solve it in a way that we didn't expect right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/400">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► where everybody heading really was saying what we want is we want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/405">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► super-fast JavaScript engine and Apple didn't give it to us because our let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/408">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► third parties use it because of the security issues but they figure out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/415">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► way to give it to us without having it running in the process with keyboards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/421">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► yeah it's you know it's a measure twice cut once kind of philosophy where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/426">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► think they look at the actual problem to be solved and try to come up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/433">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► solution for it rather than sort of case do they could well okay fine we'll let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/436">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► you get here and there were there were rumors two years ago a year ago but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/440">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► was previous WBC in there were rumors somebody had reported that there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/446">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► going to be third-party keyboards announced and it came and went and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/450">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► weren't announced and you know I spoke to somebody from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/454">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► a friend in a position to know and now wasn't definitely wasn't happening here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/459">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► that it but but that they had looked at it extensively you know they they knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/466">TS</a>]
00:07:52 ◼ ► an awful lot about how it worked on Android and and you know this person was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/472">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► like you wouldn't believe how it works on the Android like it more or less just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/477">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► and you know some of them you know send every single keypress up to a server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/482">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► because they're doing you know server side stuff you know there's nothing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/487">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► can do to as a user to stop it you install this thing from the Play Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/491">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► and everything you type could be speaking sent to a server and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/495">TS</a>]
00:08:20 ◼ ► bananas some cases is not necessarily that it is that they're dead they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/500">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► doing anything malicious with it but that they're doing it for you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/504">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► some kind of stuff whatever reason you don't even need to believe that the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/509">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► actors just the fact that the system can be excluded is it is just bad to say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/514">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► know we're looking at it but there's no way we're gonna do it if you know if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/522">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► works like that so so the custom keyboards you get when you can't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/526">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► can't use it to type in to secure textfield interesting because when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/534">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► think about it just makes sense yeah so what if you tap into secure text either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/540">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► you I get style or did you get scratched you when I'm system keyboards I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/544">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► understand that but then I guess their defeat one of the ideas that bunch of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/554">TS</a>]
00:09:17 ◼ ► like last week we're bandying about that it would be a cool idea for one password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/557">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► to have a custom keyboard I guess that rules that out for them I mean this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/564">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► have a cool app for iOS yeah but I we were you know just bouncing ideas we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/568">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► they made a keyboard yeah I'm sure they'll come up with some way of making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/573">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► it nice as you can have to keep words so until you put it out in you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/577">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► your custom keyboard so maybe you can see what say you on in just copied and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/583">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► pasted in yeah something like that you know me they can do something but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/592">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► you do think about it it's like well yeah it kind of makes sense to only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/595">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► trust the system to handle those convinced me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/600">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► yeah yeah I think so what else what was the other kinders the keyboards there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/606">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► the sharing extensions there's this stuff in the Today screen right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/615">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► yeah and that's the same thing where those are like there there little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/621">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► less little standalone applications that run in a different context instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/626">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► running as regular apps in the system they're like little many apps that run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/630">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► and that notification center context yeah and it's far more than its so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/636">TS</a>]
00:10:44 ◼ ► they are is a little bundles its it inside you happened all and i dont wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/644">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► get to take you but inside a nap you usually specified class to class the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/650">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► Objective C classes going to be loaded and one and its UI application class or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/658">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► subclass these bundles rather than having the you know rather than it being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/665">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► application that is the sort of the route object it's just a few control so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/674">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► these are little absurd is loading up the entire application instance state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/680">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► they just looked a bit like a view controller instance and from their money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/687">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► in your money and you could space it got pretty much all of the facilities that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/692">TS</a>]
00:11:36 ◼ ► you would have individual modules and differences and it's it's you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/696">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► the space that you get in is yours to play with it it's you have an ad and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/707">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► can do whatever you want it it's not like you just pushing some XML [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/711">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► description language stuff to get to the screen in the system's doing it it's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/715">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► can honest-to-god for my application that's kind of amazing and again sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/720">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► recurring theme is it's that they've given us more than we expected and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/730">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► wouldn't have expected that the API suggesting to you because when you when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/735">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► you start up one of these extensions it tells you what size you going to be and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/744">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► they make no promises about you know they're just going to give you a size so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/749">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► in theory they could be putting these huge difference are they the same are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/757">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► the notification died this is something I don't know it's still on my like list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/767">TS</a>]
00:12:50 ◼ ► i watch the Notification Center sessions but are they the same Mac and iOS four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/770">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► you very very similar very similar but it's you know but you wouldn't because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/780">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► you don't have that apps one-dot a bundle their runs on both Mac made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/785">TS</a>]
00:13:11 ◼ ► doesn't really matter if they're exactly the same but they're a lot more similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/791">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► than say I'm a captain and Iowa SAP our wellbeing ultimately still get into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/795">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► you doing some point made so that that's divergent but the structure in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/804">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► Indian Ocean is is basically identical day these things were not developed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/810">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► the old fiefdom system maybe once every few years will try to seek some stuff up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/818">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► these were clearly done together as one and in fact the core technologies from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/824">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► the echo as group so I think you guys headed the the XP CD and it did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/830">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► kind of stuff and then various groups built built on top of that but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/839">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► I think we're going to end up over using this word but clearly there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/844">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► on their yeah that's sort of the key word that the central part of the post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/849">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► WBC I say that I publish according to them Friday but that collaboration press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/854">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► release from from October 2012 when they announce the sort of reorganization and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/863">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► forced always gone in Federici was taking over all engineering and Jony ive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/867">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► design clearly seen that was not just an empty you know what a positive spin on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/872">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► an ugly in-fighting that's been put to an end it was an actual statement of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/880">TS</a>]
00:14:47 ◼ ► you know it's funny you actually have to make that argument that Apple just says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/887">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► what they're like when they do say something they just sit straight yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/891">TS</a>]
00:14:55 ◼ ► but even that one like that that memo that press release any second-guessing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/895">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► wondering if date if exactly what they meant to say that's what they meant to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/903">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► increase collaboration and here you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/909">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► and they've done a terrific job it's a trust but verify situation I'm up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/911">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► putting it past them that someday they'll find ourselves in some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/919">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► hall where they have to lie or you know you know white liar what everyone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/923">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► saying just put a spin on something and what they put out is a misdirection I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/931">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► think you could certainly say that they did that with a lot of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/936">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► they had to say about Steve Jobs health in the last few that was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/939">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► straightforward and it's an exceptional situation was obviously up to Steve and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/945">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► PR by demoralized play-along you know there's a good example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/949">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► of you know some press releases official statement from Apple that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/955">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► straightforward house if thats kinda feeling a little bit salacious to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/959">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► digging into it was very very personal you know and I you know maybe one more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/963">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► and maybe one that wasn't quite so personal but that was an ugly situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/967">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► that comes to mind was the the stock options backdating that's going back a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/970">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► decade you're talking in 2005 but that they skated very close you know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/975">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► went over a line and and you know we're in a situation where they couldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/981">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► straightforward yeah that's for sure but an awful lot of the time yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/986">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► hindsight proves that they're actually pretty straightforward and I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/990">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► the showing that that's clearly the case and that collaboration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/995">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► you said that it's a correr you know 40 s effort it it at the framework level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► it's not about iowa you know iOS and Mac OS 10 haven't really gotten any closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► to each other you know they're not there to a user perspective interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► perspective there's no tanto touch on the Mac you no change in the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► fonts to match each other as Helvetica Neue is not sure you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► cosmetic it's not technical but the frameworks have they've really done a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► massive job of getting as many other frameworks that could be shared between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► yeah especially you know anything that doesn't touch the UI is pretty much did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► the platforms you know this case here and there but I V Foundation all of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► the video playback stuff tsunami rice stuff and foundation itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► foundations probably the first one I can remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► members along it was a couple years ago definitely maybe two years ago I forget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► which one first came out maybe it was three years ago that's the first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► that might have been a sign of things to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► even though you know it was before this October 2012 reorganization but I V [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► Foundation was one I can remember where they were in the session was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► session and it was clearly a unification between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► and I was not only that it don't on QuickTime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► which was kind of unimaginable you know a number of years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► yea time being a crown jewel of the current company I think they learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► from it wasn't like that they you know threw it in the garbage but that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► said you know you've got to start over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► yeah 8991 but close probably they probably started work on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► 89 or 90 and I remember running literally like posted stamp size movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► on my Mac Kelsey and being the best thing ever I think like a very cut they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► were like what we would now uses like animated gifs that taxpayer may be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► 80 pixels by like 120 or something but it would take you CPA 20 absolutely and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► truck frames like you know twelve frames per second or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► 256 colors yeah but you have to you know you have a video player on your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► which was pretty good actually wait did max to 256 colors with it but the color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► palette did you just go sixteen-bit now mine had 256 colors you have to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► better video card and then they went two days to call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► thousands of colors that they had a mode which was I think what would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► would have been next sixteen thousand 65536 yeah exactly but instead of giving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► you that number they just called it it was very Apple they just called it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► and that was what that was a good good video card and try to picture a Mac with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► the 256 bit color palette I did that work with different applications were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:56 ◼ ► here I remember because I had it for years and years it there was a standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1196">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► system of 256 colors but a nap could change that and it was a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► resource type r you would you would just give it to give the system a to hear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► 256 colors I want ya in RGB so like for example I remember had wasn't called PGA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► golf I forget but I had a golf game that I was totally addicted to in college and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► I remember looking at was like a klutz I think it was a CLUT resource to lookup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► table yeah that's it that's it was clubbed resource and I remember being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► curious one time I looked at it and of course they had like a $200 it had like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► i dont hundred and eighty shade of green and pink see you could wear like golf [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► shirt but then you'd you'd see like some weird flashing if you switch between two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1256">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► apps like that ok yeah that's what that's what I was curious about kids in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► the background the other app does one pallet for the entire screen one image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► that with a nice pallet like the other ones just complete coverage yeah and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► I seem to recall mostly it was four games though so you wouldn't notice most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► haps wouldn't switch it in a guest if you were looking at like an image editor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► something with you know the regular not full screen mode with Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► overlapping it would make windows in the background from other apps look you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► all sorts of goofy but came back in those days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► yeah it somehow didn't really strikes me as odd that you know it seemed it seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► understandable it was gross but it was aight well of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► and sometimes you need more than eight shades of green and talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1309">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► extensions yea well let me take a break they have a couple sponsors the tank and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► let me thank our first sponsor good friends at Harbor here however I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► good people good people do you have a great idea of a great idea you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► secure a domain name for a great idea so you want something catchy and memorable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► to represent your online identity however gives you exactly what you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► to get the job done you can find the perfect domain for your idea get started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► working on it rather than wasting time looking for a cool domain name but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► more than just finding a good domain name the big advantage to hovers what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► happens afterwards because it's not like every other domain registrar I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► seen where it's full of spam and junk and up cells and gross ads and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► like that however all they want is your business you pay them they give you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1372">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► domain name and great service and that's it no up selling no ads no junk gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► developers designers programmers have been using her for years and love it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► don't have to be an expert to get a domain but never registered a domain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► name before you love her to really easy not to be a DNS expert to give you easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► use powerful tools to manage your domain once you have it so that anyone can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► it they have good technical support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► great technical support really here's the best part let's say you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► opposite and I think the Bliss ownership of the show let's face it there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► probably not a lot of you out there never registered a domain you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► probably more like me and you've got like 20 30 40 domain to you never even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► but you wanna keep them because they're good domain names that you might use in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► here's the thing that ever has that great you've registered them with other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► postings are registration services that stinking you kinda hate them however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► will help you move those domains to help her get out it stop stop doing business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► with with registers he feel gross however will help you get this great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► service they do all the work for you really really impressive stuff really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► bottom line it sounds goofy because you don't know why wouldn't they be honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► but that's the thing however is honest and it's the truth is red domain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► registration is it dishonest dirty business however is the good guy in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► business where do you go find out easy going to have a dot com they gave me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► Jeter Ju to explain it to you in a minute but use that code del know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► came from the show the talk show and you don't get 10% off your first purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► just by typing in that promo code so go to Harvard and comm they've got all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► new TLD he's everything you go on a calm use the promo code Jeter and find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1494">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► why I can't recommend it highly enough to get there to do so here is the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► to get access while he's in Brazil right now playing in the World Cup you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► saw I thought I we have so much text of the talk about but I know your fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► football camp killing to a cool thing York Times head showing the history of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► the world cup soccer balls I just looking at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► my god is so great that up the first the first one looks like a medicine though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► it looks like shape and american football is somebody took aus football [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► and just pumped up until it went record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► gets crazy I i guess i do cuz I have never soccer fan I had always assumed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1548">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► that the soccer balls that from like the seventies that iconic black-and-white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► sort of checkered pattern toggle checkered pattern that was the way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► always looked but it wasn't it was really just like a brief period in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► youth when they looked like that yeah but to me i basically made yes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► exact looked at seven checkered look that's soccer team yeah you like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► new soccer balls I i dont I think that they're they're messing around with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► too much money and I like to maybe I'm just a traditionalist is something but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► forgot to black and white checkered pattern on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► yeah yeah they can't even if they want to use these days fewer panels they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► could somehow put the checker pattern but even then though I kinda don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► the way they keep messing with it like it's it seems contrary to tradition yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► and soccer is allowed by tradition like if you did some the same thing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► baseball baseball would look exactly like nineteen twenties looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► baseball nineteen-thirties looks like a baseball yeah and there's always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► rumors in major league baseball that in certain decades that there's a secretive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► pneus to what's in the center of a baseball which I've never really bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► into because you know you're not be baseball fans know that you know home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► runs and foul balls going to the stand all the time like it's not every game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► some couple of dozen fans go home with a real major league baseball so it's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► looked at but there's always been rumors I went home runs go up or down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► hallways conspiracies that they've changed the rubber in the middle of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► ball you know that the Commissioner is too has decided we need more home runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► and doctored the balls to make them easier to get further etcetera etcetera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► doctoring the players yeah and there was but you have to go back a hundred years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► for this there was something called the dead-ball era where where the baseballs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► were harder to hit further because they were constructed differently yeah they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► were just I don't know what the heck not gonna what the actual technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► difference was this was it like a secret conspiracy this was stated fact and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► they you know there's a pre babe ruth i mean she really talking like almost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► hundred years ago but it would be like that same thing for basketball league I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► think you can go back to Lake 1950 and about USA Basketball looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► basketball I don't get it was soccer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► yeah I wonder if that's it you know if they make a lot of money by selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► these updated soccer balls cuz you know but I guess I would think so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► like any sport that the balls we're out anyway and that there's always going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► be you know anybody who plays on a regular basis has to buy balls on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► regular basis and it doesn't matter if they change this by the ball yet be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► getting a new design for the World Cup and I guess what it does is it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► everybody wanna get the official adidas ball whereas I can basketball there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► three four five major manufacturers of basketball since they all make same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► they used interchangeably during the game now each league usually it releases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► and a serious level once you get to like series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► college basketball or professional level there's somebody has a licensing deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► and you know and for fairness there's one manufacturer but like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► Spalding has long made the NBA's balls but very few of the college teams used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► spalding balls days you know we'll send any other brands I don't know why that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► is i guess its you know marketing job to do ya do we get two extensions do it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► think you may be linked to peace page in Heber yeah interesting yeah because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► you know it's this I i get a lot of people were happy story sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► speculated it works he does all the work for hockenberry you know gets all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► Chinese various does all the hard work hockenberry yeah you don't really need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► to do the typing I don't wanna read is peace but basically he took a look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1855">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► this new extension emphasis on extensions and the safety of the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► that it's separate apps really just little apps running in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► context and speculated that that could be the future of a new next generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► Apple TV with you know with apps with ANOVA and open like an open for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► and absent or architecture and interesting pieces where ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► cool thing about six inches thing is that they don't tell you really what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► context you gonna be in yeah it doesn't say ok now you coming on for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► today on textured it gives you get to you I N and now you can actually use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► GPU in the background I can see them doing something where I can actually be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► running into projecting a uint like an off-screen surface and having that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► surface broadcast to television using basically every play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► yeah well I'm from video airplanes great four games it wouldn't be right now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:20 ◼ ► and in just pie in the sky what if blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1940">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► the idea that the game is running on your iPad or iPhone and just projecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► to the screen to get me way too much latency there's no way that you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► get you know even fun casual game laced latency with that but yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► allowed a lot of games there's some games where that could work I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► backtracked there some games where it could still work but there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► games where they certainly don't think you'd get a big chunk of the console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► market because he wouldn't be there right and the other thing that I I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► coming back to is we know the basic at least Apple TV as we know it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► cheap parts of an iOS device by which I mean an end it just seems funny because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► if you're old enough to think that the CPU is one of sheep parts used to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► PC was a very expensive CPUs surrounded by other stuff and now like a series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► systems on chips not that they're cheap but they're expensive as the touchscreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► display you know the glass the actual glass is the expensive part of an iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► and iPhone batteries are expensive and I think that I think that it's simply too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► I think that the right call it a component but getting all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► small form factors the affordances he had it costs money in it so but then to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► take that little tiny system-on-a-chip and put it into a relatively humongous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► i think is assembly was very cheap so they can sell them like right now today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► they sell Apple TV for $99 and it has a 52 never updated and you know it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► updated for a while now that you know some time two years ago and it came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► but when it did they fire was roughly you're all you know they can put a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► old system on a chip into a $99 Apple TV so that means like sometime soon if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:46 ◼ ► if not in the second half of this year maybe early next year they can put the a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2086">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► seven system-on-a-chip in a $99 Apple TV and i'd i'd doesn't make any sense if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► you've got a nice day 7 it doesn't make any sense to only use it for airport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► code running on it you know graphic stuff running on metal unease aidid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► special give me a seven starts with the metal EBIT new 3d rendering it I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► have quite as many 78 now again I think it's a business thing depending on how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► they think they can get into this market Ben Thompson had a good piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► yesterday about disrupting like Apple disrupting the console market had two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► products you look at nine games and $179 with games which is funny because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► updated it with a year prior he had the right idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► it would just be a $99 device that you could run games yeah I did as it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2153">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► electric shock shadow and sometimes in its market we were on it together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► send ya an excuse to talk to his key observation was that historically Zuma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► how to to you know like the Atari 2600 1979 or never came out for a very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► stretch consoles costs like 200 bucks and then they try to make their money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► selling games and there is this $100 $100 you know give or take maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► something closer to 200 but that I guess probably starting with the PlayStation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► and PlayStation 2 and Xbox they got more expensive than they used to be the PCs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► you know average price hike 2500 $3,000 back in like nineteen eighty 81 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2214">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► consoles do you just hooked up to TV like $100 and that you know he he made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► nice graphics pretty either that was pretty insightful that they've converge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► that consoles have gotten more expensive because they've gotten more powerful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► effectively their gaming PCs and PCs have gotten cheaper and cheaper but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► added that that trend has left this pricing umbrella underneath the big one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► like consoles now about 400 bucks extracts was fatally shot it down and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► think is argument is that the console manufacturers been chasing sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► high-end gaming market and that's necessary its Nexus made it necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► to sort of have high-end machines out I'm which costs a bunch of money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► they try to make the money back over you know the six years abuse banned console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► began that is carved out a giant section below it and I think through long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► that didn't really matter because what was below sort of the hind consoles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► wasn't a compelling experience but now I think we're you know within a seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► powered level chip I think you can ever pretty compelling experience it alot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► players will be happy with it in very low price point and so there's undercut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► the high and console market in a way that they don't expect any can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► compete with ya and I don't think it's just about games and I know that a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► of us how many many games I don't play games but I know you do have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► background actually making games but I think maybe that part of the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:45 ◼ ► we're overlooking is only focused on watching movies and TV shows right on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2325">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► Apple TV or any of these dunno devices that you hook up there with you could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► that I know you can do it on you know you can get movies and TV shows on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► Playstation or Xbox and games but there's other you could do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► you'd want to project on a TV right so think about the way that we can talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► about other things that have been blocked by an ounce meant but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► occurred to me that maybe like panics status board could be Sherlock by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► future Apple TVs that runs Notification Center wit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► right and that you know you might not do it in your living room for your family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► but that if you're a business you know you might have a TV set up with you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► Apple TV hooked up to it and just run notification center and have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► company information and status did that in the second I think it's a good idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► right and its powerful cuz then it's not just what here's the widget Apple things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:55 ◼ ► it's any widget from any app including one that you the company with this board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2395">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► up on the wall wrote yourselves career own internal system not telling you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► things to get it in a box that you just plug into a TV is pretty does not mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► you have to have with the Procurement Office in order to get it right it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► know it's lunch for 45 people so I think it's a good idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► you know I know so you can protect your slides onto it but when you want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► anywhere you'd have a screen or project something is possible place where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► would use the Apple TV and you know having these extension API's make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► possible to do a lot more than just show video or play a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► think there's an interesting product in there I don't know if they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► call it Apple TV who knows who knows if they change the name of that and I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► also don't know if it's this year or not I think that a little bit further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2454">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► I'd kinda did last week too and I don't know it doesn't seem impossible I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► know I don't know anything for sure but I kinda get the feeling that the that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► it's not on the list of things that are coming at the end of the year and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► know everybody seems excited but yeah but I think there's a lot of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► assume that TV has to be one of them because it's the one has been rumored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► for the longest meanest County classic game everybody assumes it gets back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► what we talked about the extensions or did you know accelerated what did people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► say they want an apple just can't deliver something different that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► address the problem so I know just can be a wider TV you whatever but whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► it is they do seem pretty pleased it sort of different topic one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► things I wanted to write about but I skipped a fellow gone long enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► a piece but when you go to WTC and we were there I was there you see people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► who you don't see throughout the year especially people who work at Apple you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:15 ◼ ► know people who I'm friends with or semi friends with or who have met before and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2535">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► there is a certain personal repertoire and I said with mark fuhrman on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► couple weeks ago that you develop you know not necessarily giving spilling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► secrets or you know tips that are you know super juicy or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► but you can learn things that you wouldn't learn any other way because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► face-to-face communication is somehow more human I really got a sense talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► to people at Apple last week at WTC they're happy happy in a way that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► haven't been again in fact one friends literally said the words it's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► which I thought was pretty interesting did you pick up on anything like that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► the actual almost exactly like a really interesting and I thought that fun again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► and again it's not because they're taking it easy and relaxing I mean these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► are people who love their work yes I know these people again colonies had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► working weekend unfortunately I hope not cuz I just put people out but then again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► the Institute tackling interesting problems and they're having a good time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► well and I think gets to the part I think it is also part of what I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► write about which is this sort of like go back to the collaboration or parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► the company working together on the same things you know that that there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► iowa's people working on the umbrella term continuity isn't one Peter its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2636">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► umbrella name for several features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► but that they're working hand in hand at the same time with people doing the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► frame works on the Mac side because the whole point of them is do you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► handoff and off doesn't exist if there are collaborating right but it means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► that there's more people that nobody is like sitting there twiddling their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► thumbs while the attention of the top executives is all on Iowa State Miami [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► the program office used to be divided between groups in now did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► combined right and i think that it's more a lot more not just a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► but a lot more engineers are fully engaged on high-priority projects than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► ever before and that's what makes them happy and I think so plus I mean so last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► year it had been a slog to get I was 74 style departure probably some people not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2695">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► that they were better necessarily just did you know it's a big change that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► there's always some kind of national team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► change it yeah I worry about that I hope that didn't come across as being and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► hope for stop because I feel like as time goes on it easy to slide on the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► and as time goes on I actually think he doesn't deserve it right and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► thats what might have soured some people is that the people who worked under him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► who were in his division the iOS division mostly really really liked him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► and they always felt like he had their back and because he was an effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► corporate info in fighter and was obviously famously you know close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► Steve Jobs that having their back meant that they you know that's a great boss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► right that's a great guy to be working for I get to end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► the other thing I didn't know that until recently I goods the Don melton story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► but the Don Melvin story that that forced all was the guy who went to back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► for the carbon strategy but now we're going way back now we're talking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► you talked about this with rich Siegel debug recently great great episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► the show which made was actually one of the few people who I could save my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► former boss is super thoughtful story short you know the Apple buys next next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► comes in jobs in the next leadership effectively take over our poor correctly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► you know that the people who were doing reasonably trouble is that their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2816">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► leadership was was crap they come in they come up with a strategy and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► first strategy is OK everybody's gonna write Co collapse caused koko's awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► trust us it's better now there are correct that Coco is great and that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► was better they were not correct that that was an effective that Apple was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► a position to dictate something like that because they needed big developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► like Adobe and Microsoft to have their apps on the system and rewriting from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► scratch is not something they were gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► system there might not even work right cuz Apple been promising next-generation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► operating systems for the whole decade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► and at the smaller level developers like bare-bones the small ones weren't on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► board with it either because they could actually even less afford to gamble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:52 ◼ ► because they couldn't afford to spend a year rewriting for a new system could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2872">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► put a small developer out of business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► it's surprising to me in hindsight but not really having met forestall you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► once or twice and knowing a little bit about him but knowing he was in the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► guy had been there with the next there is a perception on the Mac side that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► next people all wanted that they were a little religious about Coco and the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► stuff and it's interesting to me that one of the next guy's was the one who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► really fought for the carbon strategy with a nap and the whole reason I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► practical in terms of realizing that it was a good strategy for Apple to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► developers on board but I think it was also the case that forced always here he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► was a supporter of third-party developers yeah I think so too so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► have been released yet but we didn't interview with a hidden camera who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:54 ◼ ► the director and churches iOS apps like the beginning of the project to a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2934">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► years ago it's going beyond the Bundaberg yeah it's not out yet but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► went long it's going to be in 22 house against but the first half he started in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:13 ◼ ► ninety three and he was with the company during this entire process that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2953">TS</a>]
00:49:17 ◼ ► described and he was working on carbon and it's so if anything the judges said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2957">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► more information than you can shake a stick at on coming up do you need such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► smart but certainly history of this point and it's surprisingly little of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► that has come out I think it's just the nature of Apple's culture of not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► talking about the internals of your work i mean it's not secret anymore but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► know it's not like I think don is burning any bridges by having said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► it's but Apple people just don't talk about stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► hear these stories is is usually there's something that's kind of the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/2995">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► kind of way the interview went along and I wanted to talk to him you know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► betrayed the back straight people and then focus on something I was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► focus on you know I was to government and dance but if she so fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► historical stuff I just couldn't help it go down the rabbit hole anyway I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► know I think that as time goes on to forestall story and then whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► friction there was with him in the other executives and cooks decision to to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► oust him it's not a simple story of well forestall was you know bad guy or an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► asshole and you know it was complicated story in probably the it without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► question in my mind the most difficult decision that Tim Cook is made a senior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► citizen yet the piece arguing that I think so I think as time goes on we hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► it you know just hear stories like that like to hear that forced always the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► went to bat for carbon even though he was an ex guy who clearly was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3056">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► evangelizing for Coco you know it just shows that he was you know he's good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► third party developers but that is still might have been the right you know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► and more it seems like it was the right move to to move on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► well it's it's hard to look at this WWDC and argue that they made a misstep right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:20 ◼ ► rights clinic is greatest as far as this is a new era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3080">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► but it's you know where i've what i've i've chosen to frame it is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► company has grown up there's a maturity 22 their opening up internally church I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► mean people have been saying to new Apple and maybe but not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► ultimately Apple is still going to do the things that you can depend on them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► to do which is acting their own interests first but now they do seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3111">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► see their interests aligned with third parties in in a in a much more open kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► of way where maybe previously they thought they could do everything in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► debut being a grown up in a human is largely to me about being disciplined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► and that you can be an idiot when you're you know teenager and a college student [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► in your twenties but that certain point you've gotta stop being an idiot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► you've got to be a little bit more discipline and behave in a way that not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► whatever you want to do at the moment but it's part of a larger plan and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► think it's true for companies to and I think that immature I i say new Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► the new Apple after the next and that I love her too that way before I i've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► using it for a little bit and just well I thought about that cuz you know a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3176">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► of the next geysers guys like but trouble who count I think he was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► apple's next and now he's back at Apple you know it wasn't just Steve Jobs right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► and when jobs left he took a couple people with him or or they were Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► people who after Jobs was forced out of the company and 85 who then left Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► and then went to next because they like the Apple and Steve was there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► and that it to me that's the best way to see I know that some people phrases hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► was a reverse acquisition Apple bought next index took over a bowl and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► leadership level that's true but I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► reunification is to me the best way to look at it makes it sound happy to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► that in their hearts they were always in alignment that they've to companies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► valued the same things but designed interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► sure well as come back I would come back to this corporate maturity remember that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► can only take a second break here and thank our great friends at Squarespace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► everybody knows Squarespace they've sponsored the show many times they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► here's the thing they sponsored the show repeatedly because people keep saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► that because they have a great service people haven't checked it out you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► heard me talk about it but then when people do they finally hey I do need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► new website because I'm starting my own podcast are you starting a blog or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► you're selling t-shirts or something like that and then you know people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► listen to these shows that while everybody's always tell me about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► Squarespace I'll go look at Squarespace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► guess what people look at Squarespace there's a reason they tend to sign up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► and it's just a great thing it's an all-in-one service for hosting building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► designing a website the website of almost any sort that you can imagine I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3294">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► guess said you could lead to a blog to a podcast you can do a store all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► things they have built-in templates professionally designed really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:11 ◼ ► you want to customize the design because you know CSS you can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3311">TS</a>]
00:55:15 ◼ ► you want to decide which components including your website you can do it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3315">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► their graphical interface drag-and-drop move stuff around on the other hand you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► know code you can go in and you can inject your own JavaScript if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► to they've got high-level features nice visual editing low-level features for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► you can inject code for safety if you feel you know you know how to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► they have award-winning technical support they've just expanded used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► all be in New York now there in New York and Dublin 24 hours seven days a week if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► you have a website idea for a website do you want to build or you have a website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► you're not happy with the system you have running it right now go check out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3356">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► Squarespace square space.com / Gruber square space.com / grouper and also on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► offer code the offer code is Jay G just my initials J G and you save 10% off big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:17 ◼ ► bucks over the lifetime your counters once you go there you're there for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3377">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► so my thanks to Squarespace so corporate maturity that's how I look at it I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► and and I think its discipline and it takes discipline to do multiple things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► at once and to collaborate and I think when Apple's was new Apple was immature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► I think that it it it manifested itself in do one thing at a time and it left a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► untapped you know and you know I'd like to it today and had a great piece on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► and 2007 but in 2007 the iPhone first came out they had a press release they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► actually had the issue a press release before WBC and it wasn't that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► expected to announce leopard they had they were expected to release leopard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► leopard was supposed to ship to consumers at WWDC not like a developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► beta but the real thing and they had to say in advance of WTC this isn't gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► have a beta for developers WABC but it's nowhere near shipping because we had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► pool engineering and QA resources off Pakistan to ship the iPhone you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► it's not the only example of it but you know that they were you know I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► lot of it comes down to Steve Jobs he was insular and you know what his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► attention was on was where he directed the company focused well both you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► that he was wrote that the it it's a different thing for the company to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► focused then for one person to be focused sure I think and I think mature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► out Paul is doing more things at the same time but in unity that they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► all over the place you know any and an example maybe it's unfair maybe you tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► me so Apple announced a new programming language and it really is no and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► generous and we can talk I'd like to talk to you and see what you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► what I've learned in two weeks since it was announced is pretty interesting but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► it's really is a new language this is no joke they having just you know I made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► small tweak to some existing language and that's a pretty big deal and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► expect to have you know millions of apps written using this language starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► this year and it runs on both iOS and Mac so it's not like this abstract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:58 ◼ ► here's a new language and but it doesn't really have you know you can use it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3538">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► write apps or we can use it to read Mac apps it you can only use it right I less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► it's now here's here's a new language and you can start using it now or very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► soon because of this in texts but I think they expect to finalize at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► finalize the 1.0 version of it very soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► and you can start using it for real in production now comparing contest trust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► with Google which put a crackerjack like Hall of Fame team together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► of language guys and they came up with a new language go which has all you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► wouldn't call it that close to swift but it's the same basic idea of what solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► the problems of CD without losing the performance of see let's do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► stake safety likes it adds the big theme of shared by almost all newer systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3593">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► language you know Java was having in a run time is about safety and security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► same thing with sheesh csharp which is in layman's terms Microsoft's version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► job maybe Microsoft's vision for something like go is about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► getting rid of pointers and stuff like that Swift is about getting rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► pointers and memory management stuff like that for safety and for programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► efficiency but while having that team performant but so google has this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► language well-respected it it's been out for a while now but it has absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► nothing to do with Android so they've got this platform with hundreds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► millions I could maybe even close to a billion now devices running it and a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► programming language but the two are just that there's no relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► between them whatsoever and reduces version of Java and and maybe that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► unfair that it you know that anything Google does has to be part of Android or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:01 ◼ ► something like that but it just seems to me that Google is still an immature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3661">TS</a>]
01:01:04 ◼ ► company in that regard in that they have these different initiatives and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3664">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► not really pulling together it's throw it all up against the wall and see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► sticks yeah I think if they do have a little bit of it sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► style being really not knocking but they will try a bunch of different stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► sometimes yeah that's exactly what go seems like it's an added that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► mean ago there's anything wrong with that they should have done differently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:32 ◼ ► but to me there something more interesting and more about Apple's swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3692">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► because it's so practically useful yes and in fact you can tell from the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► of it did it was built to interoperate with Objective C ya soon named functions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► pseudonym tremors and functions like objective seed but in Objective C you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3713">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► have like multiple parts to the method they might have to reach after each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► public URL for resource but I type that committed to the two parameters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► function you can you can name them similarly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► each parameter in a function can have a separate name but you can't swap them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► around it in many languages with name travellers you can go get swift in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► languages with need paramus you can put the primaries in arbitrary water that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► not the case was sweating because it's built interoperate with objective and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► subjective see you couldn't move them around either can do it is what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► in Objective C is it basically takes all of those parts and it sticks into one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► string methodName called us letter and that's what gets looked up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► meantime yeah like the traditional way of doing it would be if you have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► parameters to a method call or call it a function wherever you most languages you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► have to know which order to put them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► you say here's my function my function pregnancies first parameter second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► primary and you have to know what those 2009 @ order and once you get the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► you know maybe if you get two for your you've got a problem with your design of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► the function but you know three is not crazy but then you've got three things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► to remember and you could easily screwed that up and if they're both if two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► them were energized you're not going to get compiler warning and you might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► a bug bit around and you don't have to context understand what they're so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► name trainers helped a lot right because it reads more like language the purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:51 ◼ ► of the second parameter is right there where you're putting it may I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3831">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► exactly what you mean so in swift in theory they could have done it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► which sounds like a nice idea here just put the name parameters in whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► order you one but I see what you mean that it's it's meant to be a sibling two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► objectives on the same time so explain objected to taken as the language of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► objectives and then there's what's called a fun time which is kind of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► you know where the magic happens effectively the runtime is where all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► classes are run time is where we need to send a message to class when you ask the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► class and object to do something under the word what happens as we go into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► one time and you look up where the little piece of code that can respond to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► a message in memory and then the computer jumped to its so sexy so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► runtime is chaired between swift and Objective C is the same time what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► different is the language Lee amount up to inject sees can I guess now that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3896">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► traditional way of addressing that language which is that one time which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► obviously sea-based power and Molly C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► and it's got this objectively on top of it which we get all the classes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:18 ◼ ► message handling the fancy stuff we've come to expect from cocoa so swift is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3918">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► just another way of addressing that the runtime and it does away with all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► arguably it picks up a shift its own here and there but it's like you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► you give it a point to get rid of all of the hopefully most of the ways you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► kind of cultural and and be insecure what do you make of consumer this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► volatile closely but in the keynote they they put forth that not only was it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3950">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► fast as Objective C but they gave two examples they showed that it was faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► than one of them seemed a little realistic which was like some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► you know standard security compression encryption algorithm and at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► encryption algorithm you know mathematically intense in and swift was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► actually faster than objective see the other 10 and I think it was you at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► dinner last week it was actually total bullshit quote complex objects or things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► just like that's not a thing I don't think it was a dinner with both of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:44 ◼ ► at the at the prime rib about what a nonsensical like it means nothing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4004">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► the thing could literally just me and so that one was much faster than objective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► seat so the reason I'm gonna get that one is faster is in Objective C every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4017">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► time you want to see if two objects or equal you need to go and look up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► method like the is equal method so you have to go to the one times you get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► trip for the meantime project to check the eagle and going to sort something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► obviously checking stuff people a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► now with swift because you can say that all of the objects that you gonna sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:25 ◼ ► of gonna be the exact same type you only have to go look up that method wants in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4045">TS</a>]
01:07:30 ◼ ► too much time was once you've got it you know they're just going to apply to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4050">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► of the objects in your collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► you know what i mean that makes sense so he has been asking each object ok how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:40 ◼ ► you want me to compare you okay maybe it's not inexpensive things but it's if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4060">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► you're doing it to source and when they call it a complex object sort I'm pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:49 ◼ ► sure they just threw a whole bunch of crap it like a lot and you know so yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4069">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► professor in other words I think it's I can put it in layman's terms is it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4074">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► swift would allow you with objects to do something just once even if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:09 ◼ ► hundred thousand objects that would have to happen hundred thousand times an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4089">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► object of C and even if it's relatively lightweight you're still there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► something that you don't have to do each iteration each comparison to see it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► very small but you know but right when you're doing something I got a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► thousand items to compare anything you don't have you can do once instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:33 ◼ ► you time through the loop is is yeah so that's maybe a little bit of a contrived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4113">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► example you could actually trick that an Objective C two of you fancy pants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:44 ◼ ► well the thing I am thinking about though is the fact that I i would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4124">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► and so far from what I've seen i've seen i've seen some performance examples that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► people have written simple little things were Objective C still comes out ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4136">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► but that is easily that Swift looks fast enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► oh yeah right like if there are problems with swift it's not going to be about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► performing no I don't want to I was ragging on that particular think a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► title and I think that's more of a marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► shoes you know for the keynote yeah let's face it I don't know this but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► swift team was probably rolling her eyes at that very very smart people I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► sure think I think it was great writers classic on trial and he's got very fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► jet to seek 02 02 do it and he voted and swift and his initial implementation was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► eighty times slower but he managed within a day of sort of optimizing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4194">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► figuring things out he got it to be only 1.5 times slower than in Objective C now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► keep in mind is Objective C one he's had forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► he's been using it for a long time twenty years and he got within very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► close to it in only a day and his conclusion and this this is from misuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► series of tweets are getting something about his conclusion was it is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► take a little bit of time to figure out how to make swift fast but it certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► got it where it counts are you can you can definitely get there and i'm looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:42 ◼ ► forward to it I think it's telling that effectively will we now know any didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4242">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► take credit for it it's typical Apple way but you know it makes sense that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► they let Lattner Chris Lattner do the demo in the Keno which was super cool I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► would compile ok comes out of his cave where there were only five people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► stage right there was talk mostly Craig Federici a senior vice president one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► shoulders team of product marketing guy won by jaws whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► I think second 22 sheler and product marketing but those guys were both very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► briefly maybe like five minutes each and then a nice big data from Chris Lattner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► the keynote which is crazy but it is effectively what we now know is that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4292">TS</a>]
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01:13:55 ◼ ► command click swift after you've imported it to bring it up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► playground inspected and you can see that Swift itself is actually written in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► swift that the language is actually the the true what is the language itself is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/4444">TS</a>]
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01:26:41 ◼ ► disastrous stint in my early draft maybe the one that you read like but I changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► it to all faded cuz it wasnt disastrous he wasn't there long enough to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5207">TS</a>]
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01:26:57 ◼ ► like people were after he took over your walking into the Apple store in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5217">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► computers were set up on on folding tables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:04 ◼ ► you know the lights were flickering and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5224">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► you know like you're on a subway station I think most people who weren't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► finely tuned to what people who worked in the stores were saying didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► notice it wasn't there long enough just a cultural misfit yeah and you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► think you know I think Tim Cook news that dismissing him was going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► him that is Tim Cook look bad right in a way you know this is the guy was only on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► the job six months and they were like oh by the way jump out his left knee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► you know its tacit admission invade my first executive hire was right and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► think it would have been a lot easier to at least easier ego is to just stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5274">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► with the guy you know and dead you know clearly took a look and thought you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► what I think I needed entirely 180 degrees different sort of person take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► over this job which is exactly what Angela Ahrendts you know clearly is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► barrier draw it came from you know nickel and dimed electronics retailer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► has a reputation for being pretty low low margin low ran and you know Angela [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► Ahrendts comes from genuine luxury recent retail nothing I mean the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5313">TS</a>]
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01:28:43 ◼ ► it's easy human nature makes it so easy to do that because it feels like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:48 ◼ ► worst thing to do is to say I'm every time he ordered one too many drinks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5328">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► when I left my left town I left early Thursday morning and you still there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► a couple of days and I woke up and i hope i gave guide the rest of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► bottle of bourbon because I can't get an on-air planning to carry on and I hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:32 ◼ ► to throw it away and I got a quick hurry up and Packers know you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5372">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► probably still asleep and I looked at the bottle and has he was empty and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► got I was right to worry that I didn't give it to take with you and then my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5383">TS</a>]
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01:29:56 ◼ ► second thought was to realize that that was a mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5396">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► here's what I have I am I think that complacency is the problem that beset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► giant companies ok and I certainly think that that's what I think that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► you know that he was too complacent too willing to keep making money and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► know again in defense of bomber record label way higher profits and revenues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► than they ever made under Bill Gates you know those financial things GRU GRU GRU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► under Steve Ballmer but I think he got complacent in terms of moving onward and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► being willing to cannibalize its own stuff and make something new and take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► chance that might take away from the existing stuff and I don't get the sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► that I agree that you're saying and similar to two then last night I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5455">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► intended to the same thing intended for a long time was the only console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► manufacturer it that was you know making money on their devices and I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► kind of got addicted to do that kind of revenue stream and now they're kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► in a bad spot where Apple does do something they're just going to take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► legs out from underneath Nintendo and Nintendo can't be up on the high end cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► complacency is a weird think everybody would say no I'm not complacent and any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► leaders gonna say that they're not and I think bomber would be the first to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► no way I'm complete and I want to destroy everybody but denial is is hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► to recognize yes you can go into denial about things like what the iPhone was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► gonna do to Windows Mobile which was a really that big really Windows Mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► never really was being anyway that they were just thought they were going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► big and their whole attack plan was attacking BlackBerry and Symbian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► where they think it felt to me like they they felt entitled to be big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► Jermaine it was exactly right that you know that was microsoft was Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► enters market with a new platform it's going to be majority share because not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► because of rational reasons but because that's what happens when Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► enters yeah the market really do anything i mean they had to intercede [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► ages and they didn't really do anything they had plenty of time to sell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► iPhone to leave let's just say that you know whatever that that's neither here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► nor there but they kept chipping something that looked like windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► ninety five years they didn't then never really bothered rethinking the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► they just I think they just an eventually it's gonna get you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► eventually this is going to be a big thing and since we're already there will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► be the ones who reap the benefit to your points almost a matured someone say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► they're just like why are you buying iPhones we have not going to give you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► compelling reason to do it but you should be worried about that I i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► a I could not be more bullish on Tim Cook's leadership and i think is doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5596">TS</a>]
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01:33:32 ◼ ► leaves the other stuff that's out of his wheelhouse to people who are experts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► will everything receiver is definitely closer collaboration between the teams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► between the year two two operating system groups way more opportunities for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► third-party developers than we've ever had on the platform before speaking with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► friends in the company everybody's happy and excited everybody seemed happy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► excited on stage even try to do some nice stuff in the App Store which yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► you know that Canada is going to change much but they tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► there is almost nothing negative coming out of this distance WWDC yeah it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► good way to put it very very hard to find anything other than details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► little complaint about swift and but pretty much everything they announced it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► was all good all-around for everyone well accepted that the show people well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► yeah well I got a minor she liking but the deal that goes good that stank yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► so reveal its worth you know porn went out for revealed because it was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► clever long story you know more about it than me but I would explain it as sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:54 ◼ ► WebKit inspector for Coco apps and in terms of like the you I could show your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5694">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► appt you know the layering like which controls are on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► give you a three-dimensional look at the at the way that the controls are stacked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► on top of each others who have you school he was going to go behind one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:13 ◼ ► the other hand yeah and if you have like a drawing bug where you're seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5713">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► something that you shouldn't be able to see or not seem something you should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► able to see that 3d view can help you look down and you can see that button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► its and really call really bad very fancy stuff and it's like the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► is now built in mexico ya and and more he can do more with a toxic is built in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► but it's it's pretty much a good idea you know it kinda deserves to be part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► Xcode IDE and double-edged sword rain especially if you're doing developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:54 ◼ ► yes it's you know did you ever listen to the episode of rent increases the record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5754">TS</a>]
01:36:01 ◼ ► with john chafee yes I did so print Simmons in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5761">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► and your colleagues and assault Chris Paris have a podcast the record where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:09 ◼ ► they're talking to you know long-standing members of the IndyMac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5769">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► development mean john chafee busy Mac now the great busy how and they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:22 ◼ ► what's the new one is coming out soon busy contacts and he talked about when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5782">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► he was expenses which used to make nuclear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5789">TS</a>]
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01:36:38 ◼ ► I was doing like practically or even not even like literally full-time work doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► graphic design layout and QuarkXPress there were some expenses plugins that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► were essential that I don't use that word lightly used once you had them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:53 ◼ ► just could not go back but his you know he said like we knew that the better our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5813">TS</a>]
01:36:58 ◼ ► best extensions that will be in court we're gonna see that and they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5818">TS</a>]
01:37:02 ◼ ► to see what you know everybody's using it with that should be part of Photoshop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5822">TS</a>]
01:37:06 ◼ ► or that should be part of course Express and so is he said it was like oh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5826">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► know you had to stay ahead of them because we needed hit but once we had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► hit we knew that it was very likely gonna be rolled into the next version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► and that we weren't gonna get a heads up about it but yeah there was a good show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► good interview yeah that's especially insightful point is it's kind of funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► is once you see the numbers by kind of certain plugin you did you know and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► I hate to say it but the same is true for developer tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5854">TS</a>]
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01:37:43 ◼ ► again go back to the next reunification that Apple is very very serious about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► providing the definitive developer tool you know for their platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► definitely like when they showed off Xcode for the first time very clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► indication it could worry was gonna be presented on cut it but yeah that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5878">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► were going to do it you know they sought is a strategic of strategic importance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:08 ◼ ► to get all the first party and if I mean next at the objective well cocoa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5888">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► frameworks and the developer tools particularly Interface Builder were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5895">TS</a>]
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01:38:28 ◼ ► much as I complain professional but whatever going on they they do take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5908">TS</a>]
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01:38:39 ◼ ► BBEdit and wants to continue to thrive but there used to be like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► CodeWarrior days really solid support for external editors and that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► use bbm editor for CodeWarrior development and you miss a few things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5929">TS</a>]
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01:38:58 ◼ ► in their editor and Xcode at does it still support and i'm looking now at one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5938">TS</a>]
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01:39:45 ◼ ► them in these free developer tools that all developers can happen take advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/5985">TS</a>]
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01:40:18 ◼ ► and it's you know when you get a new computer it advances to hear you spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuzfs7hA/6018">TS</a>]
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