00:00:00 ◼ ► I enjoyed the first new show on the new network you notice any different now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► than I did all the RSS worked and sound a good couple of people owning it put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► little extra effort into it it seems like there were pretty well in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/15">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► all the stuff that was supposed to forward getting forwarded you know our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/20">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► RSS Feed Reader X and it is crazy though because it's like there's like four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/25">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► different redirects there's like feeds . new radio talk show is really a CNAME [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/30">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► that Feedburner now feed press OK press is like the new indeed totally India [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/38">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► version of FeedBurner as surprised get on then I'm still using Feedburner her I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/48">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► still don't know though it's like I'm torn because they do seem to have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/52">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► good analytics but on the other hand I always like just controlling my feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/58">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► totally and they you know and their defeat press seems like the best option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/63">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► for something like this by far and you know you can do as I can you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/67">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► they have any PII so you can always do a manual rebuild say hey look I you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/72">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► made an edit to my last entry rebuild the feed so there you have the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/75">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► version of everything I don't know I might seem so did do a decent job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/81">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► estimating subscribers which is the big thing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/86">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► yeah and that's I think you're on Soundcloud as well yeah yeah why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/89">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► signed up their cause they're the only ones who even tried to tell you how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/95">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► times it's been played yes I don't know how they are determining you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/99">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► counts as a play this was a gold YouTube question of 2006 like how much of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/104">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► video to actually watch and I actually own the listeners a a correction on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/111">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► said SoundCloud was free and if they do have a free tier but for like unlimited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/119">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► download it tonight free it's $30 a month I think which is i what I have now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/125">TS</a>]
00:02:11 ◼ ► 44 the show but compared to what I would pay to host the audio on s3 which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/131">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► think would probably be around two or three Grand Am I and it is free right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/139">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► when you when you're comparing two or three grand for hosting on s3 vs $30 a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/144">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► month for SoundCloud alright that's free and my you know with an asterisk yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/149">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► it's crazy that s3 gets expensive it doesn't really scale that well in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/155">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► like video I mean I can't even imagine what a popular video download would cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/164">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► ya cuz I would think video would have to be at least at least an order of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/170">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► magnitude bigger than audio right which just makes YouTube's infrastructure more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/175">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► impressive when ya about it yeah absolutely yeah cuz my show this show is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/183">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► usually around seventy megabytes you know sixty seventy eighty megabytes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/188">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► depending on how far past the hour mark we blow yea the one hour you mean the 22 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/194">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► hours you still do you usually under still under fifty megabytes for about an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/202">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► hour and then at the you know with the audio compression settings we use and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/208">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► you know somewhere between fifty and a hundred for an hour plus show my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/214">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► big story at Forbes when I was there was trying and this was early 2006 trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/219">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► guess how much you to spend with bill was based on there and this is YouTube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/227">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► you know pre Google acquisition their their venture funded company and back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/234">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► then there were very few options for hosting video so they were using these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/240">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► content delivery networks I think one I think the one they were using was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/244">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► the big one as Akamai which is actually both public companies now but and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/248">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► refused to talk to me they wouldn't tell me and so I just use kind of publicly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/255">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► available data of you know how many how many hours of video they stream today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/261">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► the kind of rate you know going rate for video streaming video they actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/266">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► don't did not stream it was a it was a progressive download which was cheaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/273">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► than streaming because back then to stream you had to have some Adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/277">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► license and and then yet and then I guess and I guess that it was a million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/281">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► dollars a month you know an educated guess based on interviews with all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/289">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► experts in that kind of stuff and we publish this article and people went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/293">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► crazy it was just a huge got a lot of attention because I think the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/298">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► headline was something this was when did was massive it was like YouTube burning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/303">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► up cash spending a million dollars a month on a ver VC money on bandwidth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/308">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► I think the first thing I heard it back you know kind of threw like a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/316">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► degree grapevine was that I was kinda off by 10 X which is kinda you know not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/323">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► you know it's always was very clear that it was an estimate and you never want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/330">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► be off by by that much so you know a million dollars a month would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/334">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► a lot back then especially in this was before the era of the fifty million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/339">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► dollar VC round so I'm so her which way were you off though you were off hi I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/343">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► was high so they were they were running YouTube free free Google they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/348">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► a roughly a month maybe something like that but yeah yeah it was much smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/354">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► than but then I think I saw an interview recently with one of the founders were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/360">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► they said that it costs almost a million dollars a month so I don't know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/366">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► really i mean you know someone has the bill somewhere so we now but then if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/371">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► looked at Lime lights financials there is no way that YouTube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/376">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► us you know that bigger there because they were not a huge company at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/380">TS</a>]
00:06:24 ◼ ► point there is no way the YouTube is generating like a third of their revenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/384">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► or whatever it was so anyway it was a really it was one of the first business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/387">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► tech stories I did where we kind of played the the wire you know the follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/392">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► the money game and there's a lot of fun it was a really fun story got a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/397">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► attention I i you know I hope it was more accurate than it was in actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/401">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► don't even know how accurate it was but people from YouTube just would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/406">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► commenter or give suggestion either way but it was fun yeah it's a fun like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/410">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► modern equivalent of how many jelly beans are in the chart type of question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/417">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► totally yeah and back then you know now video delivery is a lot cheaper I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/421">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► and videos bigger to cause its H D but it it's you know and I'm sure there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/426">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► quite a lot of companies with billion dollar AWS bills out of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/434">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► yea well guggenheim wonder what do unwanted you know good question now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/439">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► what is Google paying for bandwidth for YouTube the month I wonder because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/443">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► think that a lot and this is where now I'm making stuff up cos I don't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/449">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► know but I think a lot of their bandwidth is appearing basis so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/453">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► don't have to pay actual cash they just can't plug in to the other ISP and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/458">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► I don't know great question probably I'm not sure you must be a and yeah you may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/464">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► be right that Google isn't a genie situation that there they don't pay for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/470">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► been with like normal companies yeah and there always are all these murmurs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/474">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► like Google is buying up all kinds of dark fiber and I would not be surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/478">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► if they have the most advanced network infrastructure of any you know company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/484">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► it's not like a straight-up telecom company so I don't know now I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/490">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► but thats commentary right that's how we're allowed to make stuff up its cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/499">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► I wondered 23 user-submitted videos to to YouTube they still have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/506">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► ten-minute lemon right I don't know I've never I haven't uploaded a video to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/516">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► YouTube in a long time I know that you know that first stuff to deter others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/521">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► like a commercial partnership I mean when when you know some people can host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/525">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► their whole movie on YouTube right but that's not just like guys signed up your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/529">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► YouTube account and upload an hour video like the 10 minute thing is still a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/533">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► limit but I'm not quite sure you still see videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/538">TS</a>]
00:09:04 ◼ ► chopped into multiple parts when they're clearly not partner videos like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/544">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► some rip Apple Keynote or something like that a lot of them are still junked up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/550">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► another good question I haven't I haven't you know uploading making web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/556">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► videos is one of those things that every like two or three weeks on my comment I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/563">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► wish I was making cool videos and then that's the end of it but someday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/567">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► marianna yeah I don't have the podcast audio thing again we talk about talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/572">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► about last week but it's it's it's weird I know but sounds cool and you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/581">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► that they do just to circle back five minutes that they seem to do more work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/587">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► trying to figure out how many downloads you have than anybody else and it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/591">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► just ok you started a download right well we think you don't but it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/596">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► important because a podcast is delivered many different ways you know I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/604">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► some people are actually listening in to it via the actual Soundcloud player but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/608">TS</a>]
00:10:13 ◼ ► a lot of people probably most people are just pulling the file through either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/613">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► iTunes or the iOS podcasts app or any other pod catching type things so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/618">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► and the other thing that gets to be like RSS too because you know podcast is RSS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/625">TS</a>]
00:10:30 ◼ ► but the same way with RSS feeds that the the numbers of don't equate to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/630">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► because let's say you signed up in my apples podcast app and you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/636">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► subscription to the show and now you're using castro or something else that new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/640">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► people don't unsubscribe from the other ones who used you might be copying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/645">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► twice you may be down only unwanted items on your Mac were you don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/651">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► listen to it and in 110 Castro on your iPhone you're just one person you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/655">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► only gonna listen lunch but you might have two or even three copies of it yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/659">TS</a>]
00:11:03 ◼ ► and I often listen to you know this show on three or four different devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/663">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► throughout the course of the show so who knows what it's better for everyone if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/669">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► all of those count as a place nobody had a mean it's am i complaining about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/676">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► I'm just only pointing out that it's very hard thing to put a number on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/681">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► always has been I mean even the Nielsen numbers for TV they were nonsense you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/685">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► know oh I mean have you ever been part of the Arbitron radio survey were you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/689">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► actually have like a paper book and you're supposed to fill in what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/693">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► listening to the radio that when I was like 12 is fine for five bucks I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/697">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► write down the radio shows how much listening to right that is actually how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/705">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► radio ratings I they're still computed that way but they might be and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/710">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► it's a little more digital now but it's still there still believe I was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/715">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► to someone about this someone recently at a member of his radio TV though but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/721">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► still based on I think it's I think we're talking about TV Nielsen I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/725">TS</a>]
00:12:10 ◼ ► it's still based on like you know Nielsen households that have some sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/730">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► of equipment or now it at some point in the eighties and nineties they switched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/735">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► to equipment but I'll know when I was a kid in like the seventies I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/739">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► reading that it was like Nelson it was a log book that yeah the family would do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/744">TS</a>]
00:12:28 ◼ ► it and that it was it back in those days not that there was a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/748">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► inappropriate stuff on but that people would because you had to self-reported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/753">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► would write wouldn't write the trashy stuff that they watched that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/758">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► embarrassed in they'd say I what's the you know the macneil a report on PBS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/762">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► when in fact all night in fact there were watching you know brady bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/766">TS</a>]
00:12:53 ◼ ► reruns or something yeah let's take a break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/773">TS</a>]
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00:13:24 ◼ ► instead of battery power it's for wifi so karma is a little cute very small you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/804">TS</a>]
00:13:31 ◼ ► take a look at the hardware is really really small easily fits in any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/811">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► pocket very thin 4G hotspot and you turned on its 4G connection it creates a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/814">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► little takes the 4G and creates a local WiFi network and you can connect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/821">TS</a>]
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00:13:53 ◼ ► like that or a hot spot for your Mac because Mac still don't come with any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/833">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► kind of 4G cellular networking and its they've got a crazy cool business model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/839">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► no monthly fees use by the data and you can take as long as you want to use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/847">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► hundred megabytes or something like that you only use 15 this month next month it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/851">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► doesn't reset you still have 85 left you did use until it up not a monthly fee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/856">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► data is really affordable costs as little as $9.99 per gig 10 bucks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/860">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► gigabyte pretty good for for cellular and it's made for sharing so you create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/867">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► an account and you create a hotspot and you let other people on if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/872">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► friends you can let them on your hotspot and every time somebody else joins using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/877">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► your hot spot you each get an extra hundred megabytes free you get another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/881">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► hundred megabytes added to your account you can use it when everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/885">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► they get a hundred megabytes to start with just for signing up for free so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/889">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► you just keep letting people use your thing you might never even pay for did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/893">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► they have an iOS app that lets you check an Android 12 if you happen to have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/896">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► Android device use the app you can check your balance see who's connected to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/900">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► voice right now so what do you buy the device it's 99 bucks to buy the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/905">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► hot but nice when you sign up you gonna make about free but don't just go there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/910">TS</a>]
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00:15:37 ◼ ► it's like a little mophie juice pack but instead of battery power it just gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/937">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► why fight all your devices really cool deal great prices and with the sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/940">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► thing you might not even have to pay for it to go check them out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/946">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► great punter I've used one of these things and works works a charm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/948">TS</a>]
00:15:54 ◼ ► used it last month in San Francisco and I was out there for the build conference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/954">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► you can do it you're listening right now you wanted to be W C's quick order one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/959">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► right now even get it for you before you get out there can't believe thats a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/963">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► away I cannot either a week from we're recording on Memorial Day Monday the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/967">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► 26th of May so literally one week from today it will be keynote will be over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/973">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► right it'll be 11 o'clock pacific as we speak so it will will be cracking open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/980">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► the health book app and yeah picking our fingertips and measuring our blood doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/987">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► a blood test on the now I don't know I use an app called ida [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/994">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► I don't know how to pronounce it I T A [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► iOS app that lets you make little checklists and you can sit you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► dozens of a checklist but you have 14 like packing for a conference and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► when I'm done and then I just uncheck am on a conference I can do it again last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1015">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► year like a dumbass i did not bring an old iPhone to PC and so I had to sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► there and think what I did there is no way yet to be a crazy person to install [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► the first beta of iOS on your daily use iPhone especially when you're away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► home away from you know you're on your phone on dates and especially when its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► iOS 7 exactly well exactly when it's a major release like that so I never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► others I don't know why but it's all I've added a checklist to my car and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► know all your along every time I go to anywhere else any kind of business trip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► I get the spare iPhone 4 iOS beta check thing and I just check it off cuz I do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► know I don't want it but then when I pack for your next week I'll bring my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► nice iPhone 5 I guess I am I ran out and bought a ipod touch for that and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► there were so many people out there who went to the one that I guess it's closed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► now Apple Store on Market Street San Francisco yeah I think they're remaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► it right right there moving up to wear levi's used to be Union Square I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► sure if they're done with it but anyway the one that's right up there on Market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► Street couple blocks from Moscone I don't know if they sold out or they came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► close to but there was like just you know forty fifty sixty people from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► BBC going into by the super cheap au $299.00 church that's awesome when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► doesn't even have a camera yeah that's when I got to go back like a week later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► when I realize that there is no need to have an iPod Touch but but you took it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► back running iOS beta I don't know if it wipes fact I am sure they can figure it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► yeah yeah I I can't help but think we're gonna see we gonna get paid as well that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1136">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► yes I'm wondering the big question I have been thinking about writing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► this tonight or tomorrow is how drastically different the new OS 10 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► gonna seem I just thinking about how you know when I was seven came out people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► freaked out obviously not the Mac nerd types but a lot of other people did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► I wonder if changing someone's Mac that drastically would also cause people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► freak out and so I wonder how different it'll be theoretically they would change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► a lot of the Mac OS two more closely resemble Iowa seven or whatever I S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► eight is going to look and feel like but I don't know I do not know what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1193">TS</a>]
00:20:00 ◼ ► expect and I spidey senses is failing me i mean clearly is going to change some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1200">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► degree cosmetically but just how radically I know yeah and also the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► of running this now almost four year old MacBook Air with a new software running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► it also seems strange because OS 10 has really not changed that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► visually since then they've added a lot of stuff you like launcher and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► kind of stuff but I don't remember like a different feeling Mac OS right yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► think that when they forget which version number one in 10 points six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► maybe was ten five but one of them when they when they got rid of the separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► metal windows and just had all the windows just have one appearance in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► gray you know I mean there's not going to be two types of Windows anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1255">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► was probably 10 5 10 6 Snow Leopard yeah so tens 5's the one where they made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► look and and it certainly look different than what came before it because I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► rid of a lot of the candy-colored stuff but it was a good Jen toll flattening it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► this is the sword and I think that's what a lot of people were expecting with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► iOS 7 was that kind of flattening and a perfect example of that if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► anybody wants to look it up just look out the screenshots from last year's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► WWDC app remember this and everyone was like this is what I yeah and I even saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► on Twitter mark Gurman from 9 to 5 Mac the other day was writing because he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► written about it you know that hey this is what I was seventh going to look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► and he still thinks it did that it was a clue as to what I was seven and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► say no it was a step in that direction but like a half step as opposed to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► actual I was seven which was like holy shit yeah that was my you know had a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► of people's reaction when that video came out just showing all the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► graphics and all that kind of stuff and I've said this before the last over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► last couple weeks on the show like the flat is overused and in talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► these interfaces but you know there's no other word to say it a lot of the way is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► West seven on the iPod iPhone and iPad it is flatters a lot less 3d treatments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► between elements you know that when something scrolls underneath the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► navigation bar there's no shadow there it's just just a one pixel line I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► don't see how the Mac can get away with that much flatness when you have by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► definition these overlapping windows yes yeah by the way I love this is like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► know as someone who learn web design in the mid nineties and didn't really learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► much since then no 3d or gradient modeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► any of that kind of stuff I love flat design because it's all of a sudden I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► actually a competent designer but and I'm nervous about when it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► start getting more more technical again and yeah we still have an iPad original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► iPad running while i guess its iOS 5 now and I use it every few weeks and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► super weird yeah I think it is anyways great but it also many ways I'm very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► used to iOS 7 now and I really like it like there's there are some annoyances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► but that's never not going to be the case but I really like the way it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► yeah I think that for all the fights this what's the German terms determined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► wrong yes something like that why you guys know what I'm talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► well for all of the consternation that I was seven cause and and and as as vocal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► as some of its critics are about the plane this of it visual style in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► hindsight when I go back and fire up one of those devices i you know i phones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► look at Iowa sex or look at an old original iPad that has to be running iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► 5 or whatever the last version that it supports those it looks so much older it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► just looks way more than we can it's hard to believe that it that that until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► like eight months ago that was what everybody was using it really feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► visual style wise yeah and I don't see that changing I mean there may perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► make some tweaks like there are some of the Iowa 7 icons to just don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► make sense like I think Game Center and then maybe also the newsstand one which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► is hiding all the apps in there I don't know what's going to happen news denim I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► just paper eyes but yeah maybe with new standards actually appropriate because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► feel like they don't know what to do with his stand-in so an icon that sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► of doesn't really know what it is either kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► yeah that's going to be a jerk but it kind of fits whereas Game Center yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► don't know I kind of feel like they punted on its attractive to me but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► doesn't say Game Center no balls yeah just says like it just looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► something you know we don't have an icon yet but we want to start giving beta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► build it could be any at it could be any avital could be you know a photo app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► Notes app could be a game you know we'll just put this placeholder icon hear ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► I'm excited about it though I do think you know in a big part I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► really cool here we are one week out from the BBC we have no idea what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► Mac OS 10 thing is gonna look like and as a longtime Mac guy you know someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► who really got drawn into the whole following up will closely specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► only because of the Mac I think it's pretty awesome that here we are in 2014 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► in the most exciting thing we have coming up next week is a Mac interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► overall oh yeah yeah I'm pumped I remember when I switched from six to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► seven on the Mac and now is crazy like that was the first one where the folders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► are colored in ya 6 was system 6 worse you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► traced outlines and they are seven had the beginning of that kind of 3d bolder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► look and that was just yes six supported color on certain models but it was funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► it was a very flat color because member like yeah it was very very flattered I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► think it still had a black and white apple logo though I think the color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► Apple logo didn't come in you know for the menu bar until but but everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► was fine in the win even though you have color the windows were still drawn just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► blew snot grayscale black-and-white it was generally pixels on white pixels for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► and open and save dialogues and everything and then seven had like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► scrollbar had a gradient to the window title bar had a gradient yeah sorta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► thing and it was you know it was clearly an evolution of the system 6 look they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► just kind of colored in certain parts but didn't color in much I think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► sort of I wouldn't call that an exciting overall though it to me gone from 67 it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► was a huge change but the interface wasn't really that hugely changed I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► think that it it slow down our old maxim that was that was the thing I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► is that system 7 really slow down your computer and it is I think we had a LCD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1676">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► running six or maybe a plus or something I dunno yeah cause people used to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► used to complain about the old original Open and Save dialog boxes a lot because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► they were mowed all and they were kind of ugly and it was system seven actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► originally didn't fix that I forget when the the NAB services Open and Save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► dialog boxes came about which were a little bit more modernized you I was but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► the thing about the old Open and Save dialog boxes was that if you knew the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► keyboard commands the command up arrow and down arrow and you knew that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► could type ahead to match items in a list right like to match if if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► list of people's last names I could just type fr and get ya romer you can really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► fly through those dialog boxes because when you hit command up to go up a level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► in the hierarchy and down down down command outcome and down it would update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► instantly it was like you could if you knew the incantation the new your way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► around that you weren't using the mouse you're using the keyboard you could kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► of zip around your hard disk the similar paces to somebody who is an expert on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► like a command-line system and then when system 7 came out to see Mike everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► you did come in W you get the watch cursor for a little bit just a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► all sorts of little things really slow down and that was the thing that I hated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► about visiting friends houses with PCs was that even though Windows was was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► pretty awful it felt so fast vs system 7 and I wonder if maybe that's the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► thing that the new Mac OS by Willoughby attend her as we're not eleven you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► it'll be ten-point town I wonder if that's the kind of thing that a flatter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► simpler you I could actually achieve a ps3 made your computer faster I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► know maybe not I don't think feel like we've gotten to the point where even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:02 ◼ ► cheapest Mac can render pretty quickly yeah and especially if they're gonna go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1802">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► in a less exuberant style like there's certain things in the transparency and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► iOS that maybe they're pushing the limits on maybe they kinda are pushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► the limits on some of the iOS devices that supported true and the parallax and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► stuff like that like that they didn't have a good frame rate on some of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► effects and it's gotten better with 71 but they were pushing but any Mac you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► know even the cheapest Mac Mini which hasn't even been updated and six hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► can just chew that stuff up I mean that the days when a Mac can render you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► Windows dropping down and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► menus dropping down quickly it's yeah I think so too is well with SSDs and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► that's definitely a big change I think it's kinda cool though that we you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1854">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► hopefully that's the reason that it's kind of cool that that we haven't seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► any major leaks yet about what's going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► could just mean that there's nothing there's nothing worth knowing I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► know her but I think it's kind of cool yeah I'm curious the leaks often come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► closer to the event right especially when their software hardware leaks kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► of you know have been coming to early the supply chain stuff but when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► stuff that never left Cupertino to begin with that the night before like wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► last year didn't some 1925 or someone else have all the icons either the night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► before the morning of but I think that they had it as re-creations some right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► yes someone like dictated to them and then they drew them and they did really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► good yeah I think he joked about margaret was like like like a police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► sketch where the yeah and it's like a dead ringer holy hell that's the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► they they they like police sketched the icons and they did a really good job and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► it was and they nailed it and there is so many people of course because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► icons are probably it's the first thing you see and be they are were kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► radically simplified and there are so many people who are like no hope for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► ways Apple gonna do I constantly was awesome and then you gotta wonder you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► know for the apps that have the same app and OS 10 and iOS do they have the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► icons now so fari get this new icon the same as iOS or is it still Mac has their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► own icon set right and are they going to do a thing like give Mac icons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► official shaped like a circle oh yeah interesting you know they've done a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1975">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► of circles you know like the iBooks is new and has a circle and absolute gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► circle though the iWork numbers that kind of stuff are still right free-form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► shape their arbitrary shapes I don't know yeah I feel like I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► wouldn't be surprised but I feel like they're so much I mean there's be thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► years a history of Mac icons taking whatever shape that one whereas the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► always had you know you're going to make it a little round cornered square right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► that's true yeah I used to make Mac icons that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► as a weird hobby like high school with resident just kinda goofed around is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► there is a forgot which he was 84 85 had kind of these 3d folders and I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► draw the icon of apps back then you know I wouldn't keep my apps in the apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► folder I'll just keep them in their own folders right and Macintosh age D so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► there is like the cork express folder and so I made like a special cork icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► for that folder I should think or category icon some of them had off like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► a member of customizing icon so same thing you did it go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► did it go in and actually be an idiot and go in and get the actual resource in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2062">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► the application or you would make your own icon and then copy and pasted in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► finders get info yeah and then you could just delete it and it would go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► the regular I country that right and then some of them I even made aliases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► and I think an alias could even maybe have its own icon yeah yeah good yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► you could I think I'm almost sure you could which was crazy and confusing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► right well known anyone who would sit down on my computer wouldn't have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► idea how to use it but did you remember when i dont member which Mac OS maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2094">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► was 8854 aid which had it shipped with maybe one or two themes and then there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► was the idea that they would be more themes coming within the just never came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► yeah that was that was I think it was just time for Mac OS 8 when they stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► calling its estimated right the first version of Mac OS aid and search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► Syracuse's listening to the show his head is exploding because he can't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► jump in and corrected tell us exactly what they go is 8.0 and it was called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► the parents manager yes and the appearance manager was a control panel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► it had a list of themes and there was platinum which was the default look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► gizmo which was there when it was like kids team look like something from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► nickelodeon and techno which was sort of the look like something from that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2156">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► have been art directed for like Terminator movie or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:10 ◼ ► like a sci-fi movie where they have you know a custom theme for the GUI that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► computer you know that the characters are using now did you know about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► leaked unofficial fourth female now it was drawing board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► oh of course yes the ad that I love that I wish I could run that now if I get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► OS ten-point 10 was drawing board I would take to write drawing board made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► it look like an architectural sketch like the windows were made out of paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► and that the buttons and everything were sketched in by an architect and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► shipped with an architect handwriting font forget the name of the fun but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► dont member it set the system fun to that so late your menus in your window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► titles were in that that architect handwriting but that never shipped to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► customers it shipped as a developer betas so you know people who are in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► Developer Program got those teams so that you can make sure your applet gizmo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► and technology your raid that the architectural was the one that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► was like maybe may be able to use that I mean it was told it felt like playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:21 ◼ ► one of those old sim city games where it was like back in the day be one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2241">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► games where is like the expansion set yeah and you know just was never as fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► as the main SimCity but it was cool I think I ran it for a couple of months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► I'm not looking this up I'm going from memory RAM trust in my memory which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:40 ◼ ► dangerous but my understood my recollection though is that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2260">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► Mac OS they didn't come out until after the next acquisition and the next you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► come in and steve Jobs was the interim CEO an hour between ian was the CTO or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► whatever his title was and while most of their efforts were focused on getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2275">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► Mac OS carbon next generation who asked that they kinda had you know start in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► ninety six and building hoping to ship in the year and they wound up not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► shipping in 2002 2001 or whenever you know they were for five years out from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► it but in the meantime they had to keep the company running them so that team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► took over at least overseeing the last few years of Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► evolutions Mac OS 88 1859 I guess was the last 16 to write and they were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► ready to ship it with these themes and steve Jobs was quite as this bullshit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► get out get it all out its ships with platinum that's the way it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► and so it's shipped with an appearance manager and it would say theme and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► has one choice it like so they they ripped her team's out the alternate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► themes were ripped out at the last minute but they didn't couldn't rewrite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► all the software so it was this interface that looked like it was meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► to have the list of teams and it did but there was only one to choose from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► yeah it was hilarious and I was out when you could you could change the colors to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► match the different iMac colors as well like tangerine and and lime and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► kind of stuff or is that later I remember it later because they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► come out until 1998 was the original iMac and in 99 was when the colored ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► came out but then they did they had like I forget if the software could tell what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► color your iMac was though and and default to it but yeah you could pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► like highlight colors that matched your your candy colored I'm I can't do any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► that so that's that's pry ok yeah well is there anything I i've gotten old and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► crotchety so I don't know I don't look either maybe there is I wonder whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► there's still something like that cuz they used to be something the early days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► in Pakistan where you could switch the team it was from vanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► oh yeah hey look at that appearance you can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2396">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► guess these are these are many different options here you can pick blue or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► graphite and then you can change the highlight color but blue or gray are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► your choices now that's right maybe yeah and and you know this is obviously now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► just just fanfiction almost but I wonder if the Mac hardware will ever kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► more closely reflect the Iowa hardware like you know the five-seat I plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:33 ◼ ► like the return of the iBook or something like that it just as I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2433">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► testing out that new Microsoft Surface this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► yeah and it reminded me just how old the MacBook Air design is i mean it's now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► six years old almost the current MacBook Air and is a look the sting is lighter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► than a MacBook Air MacBook Air six years old man yeah and it looks to me the part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► that really kind of looks a little dated is the the bezel around the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► writers writing over like this since thick frame around the screen and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/2469">TS</a>]
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00:55:56 ◼ ► iOS so I know it's gonna take a lot of time but and it's kinda corny but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/3356">TS</a>]
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00:56:27 ◼ ► take photographs but now everybody has cameras with them all the time and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/3387">TS</a>]
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00:57:01 ◼ ► to do with at least for me because back in the day like out by like student [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/3421">TS</a>]
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00:58:00 ◼ ► programming environment and maybe I'm totally missing it but I've never heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► of one that's that's has any traction in or has any acclaim and some like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/3484">TS</a>]
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00:59:10 ◼ ► far surpassed them but you still can't make a tablet app on a tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/3550">TS</a>]
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00:59:21 ◼ ► you get it but they've run into a lot of hassle with the App Store in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/3561">TS</a>]
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01:01:15 ◼ ► run but to to duplicate these programs they were printed magazines and you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/3675">TS</a>]
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01:01:29 ◼ ► of stuff you know and it's crazy that when when now that we've invented things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► like the internet and copy and paste and down writing and stuff like that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/3693">TS</a>]
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01:01:54 ◼ ► Android you know program almost drag-n-drop programming tools I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/3714">TS</a>]
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01:02:43 ◼ ► developer signing and stuff like that you can just install apps on your device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/3763">TS</a>]
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01:20:48 ◼ ► but in terms of actually doing the work of covering the event you want your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► go-to trustee this is my thing and it's got all the apps I need to you know get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► into the CMS to you know format is the way I wanna formatted to get the photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► into where the photos go in the CMS so I can put him in the article and all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:07 ◼ ► and from most of the people working today it's it's a MacBook Air totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4867">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► any especially if you're carrying around areas an amazing portable computer so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► then you know the microsofts argument seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► that a tablet with a keyboard is better than a laptop because they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► different you know one was that it's lighter than a MacBook Air which I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► you put that big keyboard thing on there it's I don't think it's lighter I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► know their comparison in in this is to me it's everybody called this out is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► that their weight comparison was the uncovered surface to the MacBook Air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► which has an attached cover and if the 13 inch six-year old MacBook Air vs the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4916">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► brand new uncovered twelve-inch the design is six years old dozen that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► yeah it's still just came out with new ones last month you know that's fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► game but it just doesn't seem like a fair comparison to say here's here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► this device where a big part of it is that we've built this great cover with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► keyboard and a great much improved over last year's trackpad and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► compared to this device that has a built-in keyboard and trackpad we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► gonna put the cover on the way right yeah so that's i mean that's also the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► cutting like okay but in your backpack with a few other things there's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► in in use I will say there's there's no noticeable difference in you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► light one of those things feels next to the other one and that's not even really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► the point like weight is not really the deciding factor in this its is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4977">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► better for and I guess straight up just going after people who are using this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► for work like if you're the kind of person who is doing work and a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► which is really the only thing I use my laptop now four straight up work is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► tablet with a keyboard better and it's still to me it just fell off and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► haven't used it much and I i really should use it more but the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► balancing this heavy screen and with the slider keyboard than that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► attached to a but not very rigid just seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► very awkward I just I would always rather have a laptop and then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:45 ◼ ► for the stuff that I use it a touch tablet for have a separate tablet that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5025">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► is you know really designed for that and you know hardware and software and size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► and all that sort of stuff for wait to really matter it has to be like a next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► level i mean it's it's all a little arbitrary but it's gotta be like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► this is actually like a game changer and example out I'll bring up is the MacBook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► Air totally wear a year ago when it was the iPad 3 and then 24 and he's rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► than the iPad retina iPad still had the full bezel around the hole size doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► matter they were the same way to 394 versus the first generation iPad Mini it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► was like wow this one has a lot faster and has a beautiful Retina screen but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► man it's so much heavier than the mini which doesn't have a Retina screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► system-on-a-chip but man is it late and it just seemed like a real easy decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► you want to go lightweight and easy to carry around or do you want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► beautiful screen little bit have here whereas this year with the error it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► so much lighter like everybody who was at the original press event in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► October for the iPad everybody was like geez I don't know how to decide which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► one of these two get now because the area so much lighter it's the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► reason I wanted to many in the first place was it was easy to hold one hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► it but this is easier than it was so much lighter than what came before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:23 ◼ ► surface Pro is not like that the service is over a pound so it's it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5123">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► it's not heavy thick it's it's not and that's fine I mean it's you know i i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► and maybe a little lighter than one but it's not the difference between to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► the big the best example is still actually the MacBook Air vs my old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► plastic MacBook which was so happy that I dreaded carrying it around it whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► the the minute I got the 13 inch MacBook Air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► it was the first computer I'd ever owned that I am happy just to take anywhere it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5155">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► never is annoying to carry it around and there were other benefits too like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► battery life and that kind of stuff but this so the surface is not like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► again I should use it more and I'm not a Windows guys kind of foreign to me still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► although I did pop open Twitter and Internet Explorer side-by-side and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► actually pretty cool I got totally so how does the how what is the interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► for for putting two side by side of the full screen I'm sure there is a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► that is the actual way to do it but in my case it was poked around until it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► happens by accident it some secret gesture like swiping in from one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:47 ◼ ► sides or something like that which again I'm sure there's there's an actual right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5207">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► way to do it I just haven't figured that out so that's my ass quake and I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► about this this week as you know I'm not opposed to it and you know I got some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5216">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► respect but like I wrote something I would like to put it in you know Randian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► terms Michael to still Michael lops Twitter schtick you say I want to run to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► AB side-by-side on my iPad and I hear I want the iPad to become more complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► right and that doesn't mean that I think that they shouldn't do it or they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► going to do it but all I want to China light on is that if they do it no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► how clever it is it will therefore make the iPad more complicated than it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► before may be justly so maybe it's a good decision you know when when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► the iPhone couldn't copy and paste when he couldn't select text and copy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► paste adding that made the iPhone more complicated and I think everybody would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► it was complication for the better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► yes it's more complicated but better now because it's just so essential maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► we'll come up with something for side-by-side apps that will look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► same way and it'll work for everybody but to me I think about it as a UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► designer and I can't think of anything that really is approachable that most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► people would use it to me it the only things I can think of are something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► where you double tap the home button to go into the multitasking thing and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► drag drag those little window versions that you see in the multitasking somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► dragged two of them together and they did I just thought of that too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► independently so maybe we're onto something there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► yeah but I when I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's only gonna work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► apps explicitly supported because it's a new year half the screen is gonna be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► new picture in resolutions after you ran along time ago the other one that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► want on their right and it's not update it right how are they going to tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► how are they going to suggest to you that this app is you can select it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► I don't know the other ones black and white I don't know how to count I it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5337">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► it's a complicated complex question you i mean it's kind of like how you join [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► yeah either put one on hold start another one and then join the two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:14 ◼ ► those or you can put a hole in creating new on and then join them but it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5354">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► not that simple because that's just kind of running audio running in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► background where is this is if it takes three or four taps to get two of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► together you don't want to have it completely undone by just hitting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► home button once to do something else right if you've set this up and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► taken three or four taps and you've got your Twitter client running next to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► Safari and all I gotta check like my ideal living room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► set up right quick wanna check my email because there's a thing I want to copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► and pasted from the email to put into the Safari and then you hit the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► button you don't want to have to rebuild that Twitter thing you want to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5394">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► to somehow go back to it and I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5397">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► to somehow go back to it and I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5397">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► that is because the only thing you can go back to an iOS as we know it is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► act right and now the surface if I recall correctly the way that that works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:09 ◼ ► is that it basically starts a third window and you can then decide where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5409">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► that one third window goes if anywhere I don't have it in front of me so I B [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► that's a false memory but that's what it seemed like so you know I know Mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► Herrmann said they're working on it although he did not say that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► doing it for sure seems to me like he doesn't even have that much stuff this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► year in terms of what's for sure other than like the health book thing yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► I wouldn't be surprised I wouldn't like to bet on that I wouldn't bet on scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► next week right yeah I mean I would like it if it were elegant you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► Twitter on the iPad is the same with column that should be on the phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► then it's taking up the rest of the screen so be really cool to have Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► as a side bar while I'm you know whatever using Safari or email or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:04 ◼ ► anything like that but as you say that have to do it in a way that is elegant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5464">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► and makes sense otherwise they're messing with their Nos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► other thing that they would be messing with and government acknowledges in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► report reason I don't leave I don't know there's no word on whether it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► for the full-size iPad air only or for the iPad Mini 2 but the thing is is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► in terms of the physical just physical size half of the iPad Mini screen is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► a lot of screen yeah but in terms of pixels at the same as an air is no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► don't know yet terms of pixels is the same but now you're talking about a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► very small physical space and yet they the OS is exactly the same pixel for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► pixel is exactly the same between the two there's nothing you can do on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► one on the air that you can't do any other discuss its bigger everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► the pixel for pixel the same right can't help but think that if we gonna split in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► it may not work out as well yeah they'll be an interesting thing to do some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► mockups of i mean and that was the most compelling thing to me about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:08 ◼ ► surface is why this is what a 12 inch touchscreen feels like this is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5528">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► cool like I could see that was a big guy power is kinda angle by piece about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► was a can actually see a big iPad being useful like my you know my dream set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► now would be a big iPad that I don't really take places and then a big iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► that kind of replaces my small iPad but I don't you know now I'm just fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► Apple hardware has lots of england plays what we doing but I'm excited for it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► mean just in terms of if it does come out I can't help but think that the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► real if it is gonna come out that they've got something really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:51 ◼ ► thoughtfully designed because I don't think they're under any market pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5571">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► know so so Microsoft has been banging the drum for this sort of not technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5575">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► multitasking not computer science 22 processes running on the same operating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► system at the same time but visual multitasking two things on screen at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► Twitter and YouTube video or you know your email and web browser on our own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► time no room for my work a web browser and accelerate something like that so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► could get data in in spreadsheet at the same time it certainly hasn't Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► having gotten to it first two years ago I guess a year and a half ago hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► really help them make a dent put a dent in the tablet market so it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► Apple's under under market pressure to do so in the same way that they seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► be under market pressure to come out with a bigger iPhone right and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► that there are people who are buying other brand phones because they want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► bigger phone you know how big of that market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► you know how many people there are you can argue about but you in arguable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► it's a number worth caring about totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► whereas I don't see that for this multitasking on tablets to me they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► not gonna do it unless they have something clever so I'm excited because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► of these show it I feel like we're going to see some pretty pretty interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► in one of things I was thinking about 10 is in as you mentioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► speakers such as not cut any traction with with tablets or phones I wonder if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► they should make a laptop or is that too competitive with all their partners I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► don't know how it is to me they've already broken the seal I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:43 ◼ ► kinda have but see here's the thing I think though and this is what I took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5683">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► away from the coverage last week and your piece in particular is that to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5687">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► it seems like what they were saying last weeks of men is that they think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► the future of the laptop right a tablet that attack you know you know the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► part is a tablet and the keyboard part 2 detaches yeah and its cover and to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► that's why they kept bringing up the MacBook Air and MacBook Air not the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:16 ◼ ► that they weren't talking about iPads really they were talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5716">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► MacBook Air that they're saying if you wanted to work this is the form factor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:23 ◼ ► you know and like the way I put it is that they're saying this tablet form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5723">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► factor isn't just for iOS type devices media so simple well in not just media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► stuff but simplified one thing at a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► a simple system that anybody can kind of get the gist of you know you you tap a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:41 ◼ ► nap you're in the apt to tap home to go back to your apps and that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5741">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► saying this form factor is useful for more complicated systems like Windows or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► you know in theory now Microsoft is insane but in theory that there there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► there by implication there saying that Apple is wrong not to be doing a Mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5755">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► yeah and that this is your next laptop it's this tablet right that Apple apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► stance is that the form factors are tied to the complexities of the systems that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► tablet form factor is meant for the simple iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► interface and that the more complicated MacBook form factor with the task to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► keyboard and trackpad and this layer of abstraction between the trackpad in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► pointer on screen is inherently suited to the more complex OS Mac OS yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► Microsoft to saying that to me is what I took away from is they're saying no this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:43 ◼ ► form factor is the future of portable computing for any level of complexity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5803">TS</a>]
01:36:47 ◼ ► the app and then the trick the trouble I have it that was that the minute they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5807">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► got into anything rather complicated immediately the stylus came out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► keyboard so is that better you know than a just as a keyboard that's not a touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5817">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► screen I suppose for some applications it is like you know you link to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► people drawing on and that kind of stuff I don't you know I don't know if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► better than a than a purpose-designed drawing tablet like one of the Wacom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► Wacom whatever they're called a lot of what I i've always thought about with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► that and the Wacom and forget who else and then you know apparently that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► surface is really good for this is Gabe the Penny Arcade guy who's the artist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► who's been using one for a while he has you know had that got the surface pro 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► roadway and says it's really good for precision driving in a way that the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► screens are not precise like that but there's nothing that stops apple from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► eventually making an iPad that has a screen that that that is that precise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► and right I don't think they'll ever ship with a stylus but they could make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5875">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► one that you could get a third-party stylist that would have professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► level precision yeah I actually bought a Kickstarter stylist that was the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► precise like iPads obscene so far very small tip and it's it's alright but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► just don't really have any use for us yet I never use it but is that the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:28 ◼ ► yeah so that's why I don't know I'm not sold on that I'm not sold and I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5908">TS</a>]
01:38:35 ◼ ► there my guess is that this will be the most successful tablet PC ever made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► because that's basically saying that more than 20 people will buy it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► you know when I think about writing a lot or you know building a document in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► spreadsheet program or doing graphic manipulation I'm still much happier with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5936">TS</a>]
01:39:03 ◼ ► a keyboard and a real trackpad then then what they're shipping that's not to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5943">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► that they can't keep improving it but it just like that that keyboard still feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► like a cheapo ad on keyboard relative to the real rigid bottom half of of a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► laptop let me know me just over here and cut off all the people who are probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► already halfway through emailing me syntech si ti Q is it's a line of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► touchscreen tablets from Wacom oh so that's that's that's that's what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► thinking of but that's why you thought Wacom Wacom line of touchscreen tablets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► do you think they would do that Apple would do a touchscreen Mac OS device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:54 ◼ ► whether it's a marriage book yeah I really think now I think we're we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/5994">TS</a>]
01:40:01 ◼ ► more likely to see a laptop iOS devices then touch screen Mac interesting I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6001">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► you know what though will I don't think that they'll announce a hardware next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► week but that's something to keep an eye on when they show us Mac OS 10.2 10 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:19 ◼ ► look at what the chips well no look at how big the screen elements are on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6019">TS</a>]
01:40:24 ◼ ► screen is based in such a way that they look like they're amenable to big fat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6024">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► fingers interesting ya go as we know it is totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► totally horrible forefingers like just the simplest thing like the red yellow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► green buttons in their windows for closing not going to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► weather so close to each other you do nothing and iOS is never that close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► each other because you're there already next time and i'm looking at a safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► window right now and the close button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► the minimize button in the back button are all you know within all of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:59 ◼ ► three buttons are all within the target area of one button that's the size of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6059">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► fingertip right yeah and in the menu the little ones in the menu bar you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► with the space around and the wifi in that kind of stuff none of that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► really be right and combine it with the File menu like the the top window in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► Safari on my Mac right now that the close button is right under the File [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► menu so there's actually three touched target for touch targets that are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► with drastically different consequences right open a new 2012 close that hole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► right it would be a recipe in frustration if they just turned on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► touch they'd have to resize everything in you know just do it just be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► I'm not saying it's impossible but it's you know you'll be able to tell just by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► looking at Iowa State if it's designed with future touch and in mind it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► interesting and if they were to ever converge them into one you know whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6113">TS</a>]
01:41:59 ◼ ► it's fully you know the same operating system released the same look and feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6119">TS</a>]
01:42:05 ◼ ► that's where we would start to see the ques [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6125">TS</a>]
01:42:07 ◼ ► there I thought you were gonna say look and see if it'll run on an Intel yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6127">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► well we wouldn't be going to mention that so I will eat my hat if they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► have a version of Mac OS 10 running on ARM chips in the same probably in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:25 ◼ ► same freakin lab that's how Tim Cook's MacBook Air lasts all the way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6145">TS</a>]
01:42:31 ◼ ► to taiwan or would they be nuts not compile especially now maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6151">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► couldn't do it in fact our thinking about it maybe they couldn't do it until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:41 ◼ ► the armed with 64 bit with the last year's devices because Mac OS 10 at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6161">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► Oregon 64 bit and there is no way they could keep 64 bit Mac OS 10 running on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► 32 bit ARM chips but now that they have 64 bit ARM chips if they don't already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► have it running their their full steam ahead making running it's on but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► won't know that because in the same way that we never knew that iOS 7 was gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► be 64 bit until they shipped those devices today announced the iPhone 5s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:13 ◼ ► because the versions the betas they shipped starting at WWDC last year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6193">TS</a>]
01:43:18 ◼ ► all summer long they just shipped thirty two-bit betas and they never nor did we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6198">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► know that there would be an Intel version of Mac OS right versus the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► car pc chips right is it just never distributed outside their internal peso [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► speak out I mentioned before about the fact that everything's mostly ones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:36 ◼ ► zeros but I do have a physical thing to announce which is owned live version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6216">TS</a>]
01:43:41 ◼ ► the talk show said this in the last episode I would have ticket information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6221">TS</a>]
01:43:45 ◼ ► I've done this show is live in the audience but never did a new iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6225">TS</a>]
01:43:57 ◼ ► know it's a live event next week in San Francisco Tuesday 6 to 9 p.m. at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6237">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► what it meant to wear whatever the hell I don't know well the address will be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6247">TS</a>]
01:44:13 ◼ ► the website here is where you go this is the announcement for ticket information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6253">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► selling a ticket on a new system from my friend Paul Campbell ago behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► all-conference tito so you go to T I dot T O [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► / during fireball and right now susan if you're listening to this you can go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:37 ◼ ► you'll see a link to the talk show live from WBC and you can buy tickets can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6277">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► limited space we sold out pretty quickly last year same same facility I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:50 ◼ ► have at least 350 tickets maybe maybe more but probably 352 start so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6290">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► hear in this now you should go and check it out if you want to come and anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6297">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► can go you have to be a WBC attending most people this year I don't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:05 ◼ ► jizz yeah it's complicated I don't ask I have been told that I will have a press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6305">TS</a>]
01:45:16 ◼ ► badge for them and i dont have a paid to attend a bad ok but we'll see some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6316">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► tickets to this thing now because it's gonna sell out by the time anyone there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:27 ◼ ► you go I know I'm actually gonna be in Seattle that day because chorus is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6327">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► having a conference there so Monday and Tuesday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► Monday I'm actually spending Tuesday in Seattle and then coming back I should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► have gone to San Francisco where you gonna miss from Seattle but I've been to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► the one that you did two years ago and it was super fun is really great last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:51 ◼ ► year's with two years ago as cable sensor and last year I English better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6351">TS</a>]
01:45:56 ◼ ► facilities where the same place we were last year mezzanine more seats better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6356">TS</a>]
01:46:03 ◼ ► acoustics really is a really great place is going to be an open bar everybody you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6363">TS</a>]
01:46:07 ◼ ► know you can enjoy any adult beverage of your choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6367">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► top shelf liquor great sponsors and I think the bar sponsorship is still open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► to anybody who wants to sponsor and I'll be promoting this under fire by this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► week should get in touch with me through the usual channels on the website we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► still looking for a sponsor for the bar and special guests special guests this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► year at these live show this is amazing and how it's going to work but going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► have the whole ATP crew Marco Arment John Siracusa and other one and in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► cases less ya kisi less all three of them will be joining me on stage at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:59 ◼ ► beginning of the show for the nerd nerd part we're going to talk about the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy8iz7A/6419">TS</a>]
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