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81: ‘Bring Back Jerry Yang’, With John Moltz

 

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00:16:41   make the announcement themselves they have to not comment on everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:44   whether it's true or false [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:45   so there's some logic there but I do think though that if it weren't the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:50   then I I don't think they moved to address it officially with an official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:53   statement but I think behind the scenes they get word out and we haven't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:58   seen any sign of that there's not a single report from anybody saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:04   know unnamed sources familiar with the situation say that Apple is not buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:08   beats everything as you indicated that they still intend to and Peter Kafka [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:16   recode that's the new AllThingsD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:20   he said like mid week last week that it was taking longer than expected but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:27   this is the week sometime this week announced I guess it seems like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:34   probably didn't help I would guess that probably wasn't a great idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1054">TS</a>]

00:17:42   think so I just my guess is it's not the video that was the problem is the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:54   that the video to rate the major the major problem right it was probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:58   jumping the gun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:00   yeah and I would guess that dr dre did not expected to be posted to Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:05   you know he you know he's he's very very smart man and he's clearly been if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:14   true he's clearly been in he knows enough that Apple doesn't want anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:18   that I think that you know it was the fact that it was his friend that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:22   wasn't he posted it to Facebook it was his friend that posted about that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:27   good conversation it was only up for a few hours rain and it was taken down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:33   early in the morning and it also seemed like the sort of situation where maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:38   he would have been getting up early in the morning that would probably be my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:47   guess is well yeah there might have been sleeping internet for that but it was me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:51   know and I know judgment there nobody loves asleep in morn I do you sure can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:59   swing in a pair of Beats headphones around that somebody with an opinion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:03   about them yeah yeah I think the funny thing is I think that's it to me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:08   interesting thing about it isn't the actual is no longer the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:11   acquisition of it comes to pass it's more that the way that we've had like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:17   this two week period where it was just one confirmed rumor with no explanation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:23   from Apple repeat as to why you would want to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:28   it's become like this sort of blank canvas where everybody can project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:33   whatever they think about Apple onto it good or bad yeah yeah I guess I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:42   think it I everything I mean everything that Apple does has that a house that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:45   element to it and I feel better I feel like this more so than anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:49   because we lose it did seem to come out of left field like nobody is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:54   predicting it it did seem confusing at first to a lot of us to me at least and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1194">TS</a>]

00:20:01   I think it's still I think it's so confusing a little bit anyway because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:05   doesn't seem like the hardware that great it doesn't seem like you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:09   they have a streaming service already and from what everybody says it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:14   seem like the licenses for the music go along with the sale but then there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:22   vine where three billion seems like a lot for in a quagmire exactly right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:29   don't you know maybe altogether though maybe a know it all together it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:33   like something a little bit here a little bit there is no it's not you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:37   on the surface it's not completely clear exactly what the value is yeah I totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:43   agree but I don't know though that it you know I'm willing to say as somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:49   who is you know I think widely known as a key now Paul observer I'm willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:56   say I just don't know and just wait just wait you know I don't have a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1256">TS</a>]

00:21:03   way that I could go off on any kind of strongly opinionated you know column or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:11   or rant here on the show one way or the other that this is stupid it's genius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:16   either way I i dont know I don't know enough yet I don't know why more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:19   can't just say I don't know I think that's a sign of weakness I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:26   don't know but I've seen people as you know the saying that this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:29   clearest sign this is incontrovertible proof that Tim Cook is a moron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:36   you know that he's running the country into the company into the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:39   and and other people say it's genius you know in this you know keeps out on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:46   of the music industry for another two decades and it's really I don't see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:50   either of those extremes is evident in least ya jung did you read today's young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:56   weaknesses and now I did not going to suggest he's gonna be a good piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1316">TS</a>]

00:22:00   today is Monday notice about is about that in his opinion he puts it fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:07   well basically just saying that he doesn't he doesn't understand it at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:12   point I think that's the to me that's the only thinking man's take is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:19   doesn't make it less intriguing if anything it makes it more intriguing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:22   because it's now we you know there's something interesting going on here I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:26   can't wait to find out more about it there's gotta be you just feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:29   there's gotta be something more you know like I don't think I really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:35   really do not think that the answer is apple has just given up and decided to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:43   just be lazy and just throw billions around without really thinking about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:48   that after going decades only making relatively small I mean I think it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:56   case that they haven't made a billion they've never made a billion dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1376">TS</a>]

00:23:00   acquisition and that all of a sudden now after never having done so now they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:07   just going to spend money willy nilly I mean it doesn't make sense to me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:14   without a very very concrete idea of how it's going to help out I just don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:19   it it's interesting that when they acquired next to me next was only 400 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:25   million or something like that yeah four hundred and some yeah and there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:30   inflation adjustment they have to do right but there's also think this just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:34   apart from the value of the dollar there's there's an acquisition inflation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:40   yeah that's gone on since then these acquisitions that have happened just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:45   driven up like every time somebody wants to get acquired their life wells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:52   facebook buys Instagram for well look at it this way that the Apple into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:58   Apple next acquisition was I forget one it was officially completed I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:05   was like at least a handshake around Christmas 1996 but but made official in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:11   january ninety seven so whether you want to call it 96 or 97 1997 as a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:17   better because it you know you know Christmas weaker New Years week 96 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:23   effectively 97 anyway but even so the dot-com bubble was still in the early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:30   days you know it it gotten started but it was still early days and so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:36   at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:37   acquisitions were still largely done on traditional metrics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:44   revenue and profit like the idea that you add value and acquisition on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:50   anything it's sad that a lot of cases but in others maybe not so you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:58   a good example maybe Facebook buying Instagram where Instagram hadn't tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:04   to make a nickel right they'd never sold the app they did they've never done is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:09   clearly worth a lot right because they had growth and they had you know all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:14   these images they had given a good technology like 12 me often goes under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:20   sunset about Instagram because it's when things work we just don't notice it we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:24   take it for granted but Twitter which was all just text you know had so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:31   problems with scaling with the fail whale etcetera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:35   Instagram was doing something you know where I'm guessing the average Instagram [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:40   post is at least I could be there can be at least a thousand times bigger than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:46   tweet though because its own image now just 140 characters rain I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:54   might be but I could be ten thousand times where I don't even know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:58   even know how big an instrument to bed gotta be at least two thousand times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00   more and never really had scheduling problems right and the previous darling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:09   of social photo sharing Flickr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:12   we have to go way back in the day for the early days of liquor before Yahoo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:17   bought them also had you know terrible scaling problems and it was far smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:23   than Instagram was they did a great job so there's some value there but billions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:27   or was it one doing that Facebook bought them for I think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:32   for a company that never even tried to make a little crazy while not crazy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:38   it's it's it was certainly be crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:40   users which is a pretty important branch for that kind of thing and the potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:46   to make money is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:48   yeah I think the biggest thing if you're going to compare something like Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:55   buying beats four three billion today to apple's next acquisition in ninety-seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1615">TS</a>]

00:27:01   isn't about the inflationary difference between 400 and some million in three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:08   billion now it's really more how much is the cost compared to how much the couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:14   had on hand at the time whereas now Apple has one hundred and sixty billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:18   in cash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:19   much of it off see overseas but even so even if you even if they decided to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:26   the entire price in cash using overseas cash and pay you know thirty or forty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:31   percent income tax on the thing it's it's a drop in the bucket rate they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:37   could spend five billion on beats and it's only 130 fifth of their entire cash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:43   on hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:44   you know it you know whereas the 400 and some million acquisition of next in 1997 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:51   was people say this all the time that it's a bet the company move that that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:57   one case where it's not the least bit of hyperbole where it was enough you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1677">TS</a>]

00:28:01   Apple was near bankruptcy they didn't have it couldn't afford to lose to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:05   tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:06   workout right if you're just basically was so Microsoft investment was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:12   hundred and fifty million hundred and fifty million so it was three times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:17   bigger than a 30 at Microsoft physically fit for a third of them have said this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:23   before Microsoft's people off a look back at that and say that microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:27   helped save apple by giving them a hundred and fifty million 250 million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:31   they gave out but didn't really make much of a difference compared you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:34   in terms of keeping the company afloat like they needed office yet they still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:38   needed billions of revenue per quarter just to stay in the black so a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:43   and fifty million investment from Microsoft and it was enough at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:47   that it certainly didn't hurt but it didn't make a big difference i mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:51   need to billions in revenue and keep costs down to stay in the black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:54   quarter-to-quarter it was like you said yet the commitment to keep doing office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1734">TS</a>]

00:29:00   and the political value of the hundred and fifty million dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:05   the fact that is Apple's revenue last quarter was forty five point six billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:10   so consider that they'd taken at about that and that's not a record quarter 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:22   million to three billion doesn't seem like very much right I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:27   the the concern and I have this concern I do you know I want to see how it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:32   out I mean but as a as a company watcher I'm certainly concerned about it where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:37   it's not the money its to me the the the potential that it could signify a lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:44   of focus focus has always been the key to Apple's success that they have all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:53   this town in the company and so many good executives and the whole operation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:59   is working on such a relatively few number of products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:05   Tim Cook has said he's used the analogy several times but that like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:10   that that he could put all of the company's products on one table in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:14   Apple store the entire lineup of hardware that Apple sells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:18   could be arranged neatly on one table and that that sort of focus is what led [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:24   to the company do such good work on those products yeah I guess that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:29   kind of colors how you think this deal as the value of this deal depending on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:36   what do you think they're gonna sort of subsume that brand into their own or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:40   keep it separate yeah totally I mean my dear and I talked about this last week I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:46   just don't know I did me that's the one of the single biggest questions about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:50   this potential acquisition is fascinating to me because on the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:56   hand I can't see Apple having only sub sub brand and on the other hand I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1856">TS</a>]

00:31:05   see spending three billion dollars for beats and not keeping the brand because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:10   to me it seems to me like most of the value and beats is in the brand yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:15   would guess so I got again I have heard from some people i mean clearly among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:24   audio files in your Marco Arment people who really know what they have seemingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:32   overall operational years and really can't tell the difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:35   different headphones Beats is is like a non-entity and almost treated with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:41   disdain but I've seen other people say well so audio files will keep minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:45   audiophile headphones you know from Sennheiser and whoever else but normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:51   people who love the way beats headphones sound and that it's not about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:57   fidelity and reproducing music you know and some sort of way that you measure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:02   fidelity but effectively making it sound as though you have a nightclub in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:07   head and they do a really good job that I don't know though that that means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:14   it would be hard for a competitor to do the same thing though that they you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:18   that they have technology that is it that they have technology that's hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:21   reproduce serve you know I don't think that seemed like that now doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:26   particularly since their stuff was made by monster before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:29   write her own suffer a little while 66 months or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:36   yeah I've also seen other people this is on Twitter and always has been the knock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:43   against Apple for as long as Apple is existed in probably from 1980 onwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:51   people who are clearly not a fan of Apple products and general saying it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:55   perfect acquisition for Apple overpriced technology sold based on marketing alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1975">TS</a>]

00:33:01   so it's you know I don't think it's a problem for Apple that from among some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:05   people the idea that Apple buys beads reinforces that notion of the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1985">TS</a>]

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00:33:13   to turn around right end if your goal is to get a hundred percent of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:20   consumers to view your brand favorably you're doomed you're never you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2000">TS</a>]

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00:33:47   the new daring fireball version of the talk show our first is a good friends it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:53   glue that's the internet you'll actually like it and they want me to tell you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2033">TS</a>]

00:34:01   little bit about their comparison to SharePoint a SharePoint sin internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:08   product from a little company in my washington state of Washington about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:12   Microsoft is correct just up the road you go to the URL which is igloo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:20   software dot com slash the talk show you will go to a special page they've set up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:26   just for listeners of the show where they show the results of a white paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:32   that they commissioned from a company called Osterman research they said here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2072">TS</a>]

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00:34:40   SharePoint and then we're going to share this information with people and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:46   came out ahead in just about every way you can imagine SharePoint is too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:50   expensive you can save time and money by going with a blue SharePoint requires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:55   too many resources you have to host yourself it to pay for these Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:58   servers igloo is fully hosted you don't have to worry about it people actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:03   this is the big one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:04   people actually use it but they found his companies that use SharePoint based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:08   internets what the employees actually do is spend all their time going around it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:12   and using Gmail and avoiding it whereas companies that use a glue people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:17   actually will use it and they like it and I'm laughing because I used to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:22   supports the use SharePoint and and that is exactly what we found right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:28   install it and then people find ways to get around to get away from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:31   SharePoint doesn't play well with mobile that's a huge thing going forward you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:36   know everything they do it as responsible ads so it all works great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:40   from your phone whether you're on the Android where they're on iOS so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:45   have a thing you can download just go to include software dot com slash the talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:49   show they have an evaluation kit you can download they also have some new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:54   template they've set up pretty recently came out like last month but template [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:59   you can use any group to set up a glue in different ways depending on what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:03   need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:04   like if you need a customer community site or corporate intranet just for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2164">TS</a>]

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00:36:16   internal only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:18   they have an app based social network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:22   couple of new template all of them you can start using for free with up to 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2182">TS</a>]

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00:36:31   and that's just fantastic as in you you to set up free using a free get ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:37   people on board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:38   you have to pay anything and make sure that it works just the way you want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2198">TS</a>]

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00:36:49   really really competitive so my thanks to them and again just go to a glue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:54   software dot com slash the talk show what retirement acquisitions so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2214">TS</a>]

00:37:01   else positions there is good reason why I thought by having your show so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:09   again rumored not completed as re-record but youtube is possibly by twitch twitch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:16   4 $1,000,000,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:19   two interesting things about that one it which is is effectively I thought I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:25   posted it in before I did we start recording that it may take the ESPN [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:28   video games that they stream they treat video games where he is being treated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:33   sports and you go to Twitter news twitching you can watch you know top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:37   players play video games and you and I have talked about this race uncertain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:43   years old are really into watching videos of people playing video games and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:49   you know I didn't come up with this last time we talked about it but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:52   I've already watched this season probably Yankees have played in 42 games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:58   so far I've probably watched about 30 of them so I'm probably up close to $100 of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:05   baseball that I bought so far this year and yet I'm the one who was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:10   just like a month ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:12   see how crazy it is that my son watches people playing game video of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:16   playing games rather than point whereas I haven't played baseball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:21   fifteen years and watch hundreds of hours over the year and it just hit me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:25   like a ton of bricks I does the same thing you know i mean the baseball so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:29   love watching my favorite baseball team play he's into video games into it loves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:34   watching people play video games and I would rather watch people play video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:38   games because of a better chance than with my local sports team I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:43   better chance seeing somebody actually win so I think if you're if your YouTube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:56   Google YouTube that makes a lot of my also think it's interesting that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2336">TS</a>]

00:39:00   being dealt with as a YouTube acquisition not a group was interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:05   too and I didn't even notice but like the head of YouTube her title as CEO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:10   like their YouTube I didn't know that I I just thought they were trying to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:14   the same unified sign in everywhere I didn't realize that you to business you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:18   know as independent as it seems to be interesting but it only makes sense to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:24   be you know for it to you know it does make sense that it's YouTube in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:27   particular not Google in general that might be making this acquisition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:31   somebody and I apologize because they don't remember it was a retweet of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:35   someone who don't follow but said that a while ago Vimeo had noticed that event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:40   that people were posting a lot of certain let's play videos and responded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:47   by banning which I mean I guess that's what you want for your platform and ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:56   want that kind of thing they're they're a little more hard CAS and they've you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2396">TS</a>]

00:40:01   know they've they've always sort of differentiated themselves from youtuber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:06   YouTube is sort of been like anything that you can legally post as video you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:12   can post to YouTube where you know i mean you know copyright stuff in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:18   particular and I'm sure that there's some kind of content based stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:21   would get rejected directed from YouTube but if it's legal you can post in care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:26   what it is right you mean you can just yeah I'm sure they actually are often a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:31   man in the basal usually easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:33   wait for someone asked taken down whereas Vimeo as always exactly they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:38   sort of wanted sort of artistic style and they also have restrictions about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:43   commercials type stuff you know where you can so I did I didn't think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:48   that the licensing aspect of it which me me me me me that is more of what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:53   rather than sort of the Arts aspect of it yeah I thought it was more like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:59   doing so we don't wants let's play videos on our site I did see somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:07   tweeted that one of the things people who are fans of Twitter concerned about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:10   with the YouTube acquisition is that a lot of these videos get posted with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:14   music playing in the background and YouTube has done very very good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:19   flagging such things identifying copyright music but to me that sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:25   you know and and you know I'm not a big fan of Google I think it's fair to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:30   but I have to say that if you're putting copyright music and your videos and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:33   uploading them to a commercial website gets his hands on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:39   there's sort of you know the world's tiniest violin playing the sad you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:44   I understand that it's it in if you know it's one of those things like comiXology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:50   going to Amazon where you know it is making it worse for you as a user but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:55   you know come on you know copyright stuff is still using music for free is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2515">TS</a>]

00:42:01   still have to admit a gray area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:04   rain had you know you had to think eventually that bubble was gonna burst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:08   one way or the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2528">TS</a>]

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00:42:16   spent you know note observing observing noting and then monetizing the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:22   millions of people are watching hundreds and hundreds of hours of people play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:27   videogames [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:28   that's gonna be honest quickly it's gonna take long before it it's like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:33   who think wow these crazy kids today you know no longer see it as as fodder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:38   annual yeah maybe you mentioned this before but I feel like that says this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:44   kind of my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:45   moment of having something like that come up in from kids so yummy kids from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:51   you know our kids are 10 and seeing what they do in the beginning going you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:59   that's so low brow but then realizing well maybe not even need to give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:04   another chance and I'm sure it's just like any i mean i I feel like I'm most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:08   proud of myself for being as under my chin Lee has to recognize that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:13   normal that there's there's not that I shouldn't be saying that I was wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:17   that I shouldn't be seen this is weird yeah I'm kind of proud of myself an end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:23   wasn't until she started watching this stupid even realize that this was such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:27   huge industry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2607">TS</a>]

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00:43:34   ridiculous amounts of money and good for them right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:38   yes it's great i mean cuz it all comes down to the bottom line is attention you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:44   know this is not a new observation it's obvious but you know that's the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:48   thing that we have collectively in the aggregate that a limited resource every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:53   person on the 24 hours in the day and we need to spend a certain number of hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:57   that sleeping and eating and working or going to school or something so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2637">TS</a>]

00:44:04   if you're capturing in the aggregate millions of hours of attention there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:08   tremendous value there is simply wrong about that article recently tweeted that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:17   he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:18   picture Jack Black Jack Black and the two of them are gonna be working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:24   something to her so yeah that's so great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:28   which is a really which is a good fit for starters but also just given the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:34   fact that the guy who was working in a pub two years ago and now like mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:41   love you too my craft and so awesome but that it's all just you know a piece that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:46   you're doing this you know you're doing this thing that people watch for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:51   reason I do these things that people watch for another reason we should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:53   something together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:55   what else acquisition use AT&T is buying direct tv for forty five billion dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2695">TS</a>]

00:45:06   you can just feel the increasing competition came I was just target as of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2706">TS</a>]

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00:45:24   Warner merger which is really Comcast buying time warner which is almost the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2724">TS</a>]

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00:45:35   argument was ok don't worry this is still gonna be ok for consumers here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:41   why that's in Anderson some kind of argument they could make their and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:46   it makes some kind of sense but the fact that they're actually saying that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/2746">TS</a>]

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01:17:33   the viewers it really takes terrible terrible photographs and again I so with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4653">TS</a>]

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01:18:55   because these mobile platforms don't allow released iOS certainly doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4735">TS</a>]

01:19:00   allow them to include their own rendering engine you know even chrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:05   doesn't get to Chrome for iOS doesn't use the Chrome rendering engine it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:10   just a chrome wrapper around the system's WebKit virgin you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4750">TS</a>]

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01:19:20   existence is to have your rendering engine out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4760">TS</a>]

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01:19:46   Windows 8 Phone when you get so much more and much more likely to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4786">TS</a>]

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01:20:44   not support selecting text to rate so there's no cut copy and so it's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:51   like it is and you know and there's you know i twittered about some of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:55   things and people you know who support you know you know we're fans of that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4855">TS</a>]

01:21:01   guess you know try to call me a hypocrite for it that you know how is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:06   ok for Apple in 2007 when the iPhone was new and it's not ok now what it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4866">TS</a>]

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01:21:20   called me out the other way and when I said that it was unacceptable it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:25   acceptable for Apple them but it's unacceptable now he said no it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:28   unacceptable for Apple then to it used to drive me nuts but my point in them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:33   that no that was annoying then it was like an obvious shortcomings but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4893">TS</a>]

01:21:38   clearly acceptable because we were using in your even admitting that you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4898">TS</a>]

01:21:42   used right we were frustrated by but we see you when I say it's unacceptable now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4902">TS</a>]

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01:21:50   cut copy and paste win for about the same amount of money they could buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4910">TS</a>]

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01:22:06   that people when we did put up with it with those shortcomings and I just can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4926">TS</a>]

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01:22:29   would think would be the one thing that might be good because it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:31   Firefox's own thing it's not good you can't do things like jumped like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:39   you scroll down you can't jump to the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:42   it doesn't have the iPhone thing where you just tapped out this bar across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:45   top but the only way to get to the interface to manage multiple tabs at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4965">TS</a>]

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01:23:05   pages you've been reading I'm not exaggerating how many fiction need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:08   get to the top which is where the top management is and there's no bookmarks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:18   therefore there is no bookmark let's and I used you know there's no book there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:25   are no bookmarks now I can tell there's bookmarks I don't know how you how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5005">TS</a>]

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01:23:50   it's got a decent IMAP client to usable at least but they just you know and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:57   this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5037">TS</a>]

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01:24:03   anymore they call it it's just called email and in fact I think what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:07   interesting is they they spell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5047">TS</a>]

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01:24:15   curmudgeonly grammar and spelling and stuff like that but the dashing email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:20   feels kinda old timey bills will nineteen nineties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:25   and having called marketplace which is like their app store but really it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:31   just sort of like a directory of mobile operated mobile-optimized websites and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:37   when you create an app download an app out of one of these things it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5077">TS</a>]

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01:24:45   page as a nap and just you just lose the browser so that's like what the Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5085">TS</a>]

01:24:51   app for this thing is the Twitter app is just a it seems a little bit different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:56   than when you go to Twitter on an iPhone but not much I haven't done that in so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5096">TS</a>]

01:25:04   long and therefore though you can't do anything now you can't do anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5104">TS</a>]

01:25:08   have two different accounts anymore than you can have two accounts on you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5108">TS</a>]

01:25:13   the Twitter website there's no account switching so it's just you know when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5113">TS</a>]

01:25:19   use Twitter on this it's just the mobile Twitter website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5119">TS</a>]

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01:25:28   all those the website and mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5128">TS</a>]

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01:25:57   actual layout and development of the app and webOS work that way right from palm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5157">TS</a>]

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01:26:10   implemented using HTML CSS and Javascript and is something wrong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5170">TS</a>]

01:26:13   that although there's some performance problems you have to overcome if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:19   want to be compared favorably to native code like Objective C running on iOS or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5179">TS</a>]

01:26:26   even the Java type byte code that you run on Android [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:31   but it could be overcome but what Firefox OS does really is just load [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5191">TS</a>]

01:26:38   things you know actual web sites over the internet and save them and so a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:43   of stuff stops working if you don't have an internet connection like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5203">TS</a>]

01:26:48   games they called this is games you can get but then if you don't have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:52   internet connection the games don't load because it can't connect to the server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5212">TS</a>]

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01:28:15   where I would really hold a charge for a good amount of time and then I one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5295">TS</a>]

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01:29:08   aspect ratio is a little bit wider when you're holding a portrait than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:14   iPhone but roughly its roughly an iPhone sized device and they do find that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5354">TS</a>]

01:29:18   comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5358">TS</a>]

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01:29:43   thinking about how the buttons at the same as the iPhone except for the lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5383">TS</a>]

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01:29:57   love the mute switch on the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5397">TS</a>]

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01:30:13   airplane mode or turn it on silent incoming calls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+Btuy67RU8/5413">TS</a>]

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