The Talk Show

81: ‘Bring Back Jerry Yang’, With John Moltz


00:00:00   a recording recording yes [TS]

00:00:07   1233 just clap your hands already started doing to stop and do that now I [TS]

00:00:15   thought you were you are you are you can I swear to god you're not going to do [TS]

00:00:24   that you wouldn't like that I was gonna clap just for your CQ I don't think [TS]

00:00:31   there's anything I don't think the listeners of the shows they shouldn't [TS]

00:00:35   notice a damn thing it should just all day all day [TS]

00:01:01   they won't even know that anything's changed while I should go I gotta dot [TS]

00:01:13   the i's and cross the t's on the feed redirection and stuff like that but I [TS]

00:01:19   that's not my problem or is that from now I think it seems as though any [TS]

00:01:26   well-written podcast client if they get a 30 to http which is 301 says redirect [TS]

00:01:35   go over there but don't not permanently 302 is permanent and then it should [TS]

00:01:40   remember the new URL so if you were previously subscribed at me or radio [TS]

00:01:46   dotnet talk show whatever the video Eliz your your podcast software will [TS]

00:01:52   automatically update to during fireball dotnet feeds the talk show whatever I [TS]

00:01:59   don't know haven't decided anywhere but nobody should notice it in Christ back [TS]

00:02:16   out splendidly problems are endemic to no problems whatsoever to see the rumor [TS]

00:02:30   today just broke hours before we we started recording that Twitter might buy [TS]

00:02:37   SoundCloud yeah I don't mess with anybody know but it's funny down from [TS]

00:02:45   her friend of the show [TS]

00:02:46   occasional guest of the the talk-show pointed out the the sort of irony in [TS]

00:02:52   that is that it's that SoundCloud is effectively odio to point out yeah and [TS]

00:02:57   audio was like a podcast was a time in this must be like back and he doesn't [TS]

00:03:04   remember that war 2005 but it was you have ever Williams and Biz Stone in all [TS]

00:03:09   these guys you know that they'd left Google after bloggers you know like [TS]

00:03:14   google bot blogger and then when their time was up there all got the hell out [TS]

00:03:18   of Google and they made odio and it was going to be like like Blogger for [TS]

00:03:24   podcasting [TS]

00:03:25   just it just didn't seem to have seemed in a good idea I mean they're on to [TS]

00:03:29   something in terms of like back in 2004 2005 thinking podcasting was gonna be [TS]

00:03:34   big [TS]

00:03:35   clearly they're at it you know the basic the fundamental idea that is pretty good [TS]

00:03:39   and ahead of its time but they didn't ever get quite got it to work and then [TS]

00:03:44   it was like one other guy is the guy named jack is over there and we also [TS]

00:03:49   have any ideas and Jack Dorsey is like I got an idea and it turned into twitter [TS]

00:03:55   twitter yeah the idea really was a separate company though right [TS]

00:04:02   well did well start Twitter started as an audio product and it and I'm not [TS]

00:04:09   quite sure what the legal side some point you know lawyers came in and and [TS]

00:04:16   and it went from Twitter being [TS]

00:04:18   and audio product to Twitter being a stand-alone you know corporation yeah it [TS]

00:04:24   was spun off but but Twitter date started life as a product of the audio [TS]

00:04:29   corporation I've gotten odio t-shirt thing happen to audio yeah I think they [TS]

00:04:39   changed the name to the obvious corporation [TS]

00:04:42   thinking it might yeah which i think is still the parent company of media [TS]

00:04:48   you know that's the new thing that real ok ok they just when he started that he [TS]

00:04:54   just started under that umbrella yeah I think I you know and again is there [TS]

00:04:58   really a difference if they dissed designer know maybe they just dissolved [TS]

00:05:02   odio and started a new company called obvious where I think they changed the [TS]

00:05:07   name though you know just like save on paper one of them something I don't know [TS]

00:05:10   like I might have been easier to just change the name of the video to the [TS]

00:05:15   obvious corporation are you planning on using sentiment I guess so I mean it's a [TS]

00:05:23   well it's funny because now that I have to worry about every single detail [TS]

00:05:32   hosting the podcast in and there are you know I don't know how much of the [TS]

00:05:36   details you're you're taking care of with the with the parenting show turning [TS]

00:05:45   this car don't make me go back there was also in the running [TS]

00:05:55   we have a long list of things that dads [TS]

00:06:00   was probably there was probably in there someplace but there are there's all [TS]

00:06:05   sorts of details they have to worry about and and a fundamental one is where [TS]

00:06:09   do you store the audio files yeah it would cost according to my calculations [TS]

00:06:17   couple of thousand dollars a month for me to host the audio on Amazon s3 could [TS]

00:06:26   be off by a little but I'm probably not off by a lot which is you know we are [TS]

00:06:32   talking about hundreds of dollars and I'm I just squander it [TS]

00:06:35   thousands of dollars you've got my attention and SoundCloud is free this [TS]

00:06:40   economy I don't get too inside baseball here but to me it's a sort of an [TS]

00:06:43   interesting it's the perils of of venture-backed cloud services so [TS]

00:06:50   SoundCloud is free for everything and and it's just started life I guess is [TS]

00:06:55   sort of a music hosting service where musicians could have put songs up and [TS]

00:06:59   have people playing but they don't you know they let you put anything up there [TS]

00:07:01   including podcasts and you can put your podcast there and they don't insert [TS]

00:07:07   their own ads to have a player that you can embed like if you go you know if [TS]

00:07:12   anybody has ever looked at the talk-show pages on your radio they used the [TS]

00:07:16   Soundcloud embeddable player and it did but that doesn't really have a date has [TS]

00:07:23   SoundCloud branding but you don't have to use their audio player you know like [TS]

00:07:28   Dave discuses unprofessional show Jamie Newberry now are those that forget who [TS]

00:07:36   used to be the host what's his name [TS]

00:07:41   that's it who is on my part my parenting practiced he is he never speaks up all [TS]

00:07:53   over yours you and john Kasay treatment as in the case of treatment they should [TS]

00:07:59   do it they should do a show and they do it because like those guys the other [TS]

00:08:04   guys the other guys should pretend to be each other just a few things but an [TS]

00:08:17   unprofessional he hosts their audio sound club he uses a different you know [TS]

00:08:22   html5 audio player and it all seems too good to be true because behind the [TS]

00:08:28   scenes SoundCloud host your audio on Amazon s3 and so you know it's it's the [TS]

00:08:33   hundreds or if they're popular enough show thousands of dollars worth of s3 [TS]

00:08:38   bandwidth that SoundCloud is just covering based on the bike sixty million [TS]

00:08:45   dollars they've raised in venture capital yeah so it's a perfect fit for [TS]

00:08:50   to honor the idea and so like with like my friends and as I've been talking and [TS]

00:09:00   and and planning and plotting and detailing you know everything I have to [TS]

00:09:04   do to move the the talk show to be part of during fireball and I see you I hear [TS]

00:09:10   that and I think that's too good to be true and too good to be true it is to me [TS]

00:09:14   it makes me very uncomfortable I would rather pay a reasonable amount of money [TS]

00:09:18   for something that I feel is sustainable [TS]

00:09:21   I say this is some people on and some people hear it and they you know of a [TS]

00:09:25   good point that is a little worrisome and then other people like just take the [TS]

00:09:28   free hosting dummy worry about what you do when it goes away when it goes away [TS]

00:09:34   wait for the brown you have an established podcast so in your situation [TS]

00:09:39   it's a little easier you know with established sponsors and so so it's a [TS]

00:09:45   little easier to actually go out and sell something out but we started up [TS]

00:09:50   with me [TS]

00:09:51   advertisers to begin with and so right now it's been a lot harder right it's [TS]

00:09:55   it's not that it done a lot of confidence that I was gonna go someplace [TS]

00:09:58   and there's other options besides Amazon s3 there's all sorts of things like you [TS]

00:10:03   know one could do to host a podcast but there you know because SoundCloud offers [TS]

00:10:08   a good quality you know because it back by s3 [TS]

00:10:13   they don't tell you that but it just if you poke around and see where your stuff [TS]

00:10:17   coming from it seems like it is good quality it works around the world which [TS]

00:10:22   is often a problem like if you were just to do like the obvious thing and just [TS]

00:10:27   get like Linux server start just put your audio files there let people [TS]

00:10:32   download it like people around the world might have trouble getting it whereas [TS]

00:10:35   something that's meant to be a content delivery system like s3 works better and [TS]

00:10:41   then you don't have to pay again like he said it seemed like a perfect fit for [TS]

00:10:47   Twitter you guys have no idea and no idea how to make money for it we're [TS]

00:10:55   going to spend $30 on you guys can work with us all sorts of acquisition of this [TS]

00:11:08   is another one of our co uses something else which lips it lipson yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:11:14   I know about that one [TS]

00:11:16   they're they're a little bit less [TS]

00:11:19   nebulous in terms of the money like to have some kind of hearing and paid [TS]

00:11:24   accounts and something I don't know they mean what's your name and Paul confesses [TS]

00:11:33   have a show then I'm so bad with names [TS]

00:11:38   yeah yeah that's why I like to have you on the show to start over what your name [TS]

00:11:45   is exactly he's got the same name that I've got little body that Armstrong [TS]

00:11:52   doesn't have any age yet he must be a Jonathan Wright whenever I see a jail [TS]

00:11:57   when I just slept with that is assuming you're right we're not right i mean you [TS]

00:12:03   know that it's John now I CJO and I think you're really a Jonathan and [TS]

00:12:09   you're just pretending to be at John and then when other people will say to me if [TS]

00:12:15   they say hey is your real name Jonathan Gruber is your full name Jonathan Gruber [TS]

00:12:18   then I'm offended cuz I might now have an age where you renamed after somebody [TS]

00:12:23   sort of long story short I was the first child and this is before any kind of [TS]

00:12:37   ultrasound tape technology so when my mom was pregnant with me in 1972 all [TS]

00:12:46   they knew was that she was pregnant and had not been invented nope sounded and [TS]

00:12:50   color right but my mom was a hundred percent convinced that she was having a [TS]

00:12:57   girl she had no children before but she just felt like she was having a girl and [TS]

00:13:02   she even has he still has it like a little like back pocket-sized book of [TS]

00:13:09   baby names like the sort of little almost like a pamphlet book with [TS]

00:13:13   thousands of names but it's you know it's like the size of a field 25 names [TS]

00:13:19   that you know you can buy books like that the supermarket yeah and she has it [TS]

00:13:25   and and like the girl pages are all like [TS]

00:13:29   warn there's dozens and dozens of names circled in different colors for like [TS]

00:13:36   second and there's a two boys names it was like Jason and I are in like two [TS]

00:13:47   boys names over Lake begley underlined and that was it that was the only [TS]

00:13:50   thought she'd put into it and then I came out and they said it's a boy and [TS]

00:13:55   she doesn't know it's not in my back and and and she was upset because she didn't [TS]

00:14:03   know she was this result was a girl that no names picked out my dad was not in [TS]

00:14:07   room because this was 1973 and was not a smoke-filled room with which cigars yeah [TS]

00:14:14   yeah probably like a six pack or something and then they came in and they [TS]

00:14:21   said yeah good news [TS]

00:14:24   wife had a baby is healthy boy and my dad I guess he joined and she said all [TS]

00:14:30   of your column and he discusses name is John and that was that there was like no [TS]

00:14:35   discussion of my mom and dad's been like hours and hours over the preceding like [TS]

00:14:40   eight months [TS]

00:14:41   picking up girls names mi they'd never discussed it just goes his name is John [TS]

00:14:46   now it ends up that both both of my grandparents her dad and my dad's dead [TS]

00:14:51   were both named John and so you know everybody felt on it right where you you [TS]

00:15:00   know anybody yeah my grandfather my mom's dad and he passed away like six [TS]

00:15:06   months before I was born so I was named after him [TS]

00:15:09   tragic yeah good names most kids don't smoke [TS]

00:15:14   good name gets me through the day lots of other acquisitions in the news so in [TS]

00:15:24   and near near acquisitions orchard continuing tortured acquisitions well [TS]

00:15:31   that the beats one which I thought would have been old news by the time we were [TS]

00:15:34   recording this is still not still at limbo still actually not news like that [TS]

00:15:41   we're getting close to two weeks right since it'll be like the end of this week [TS]

00:15:45   every two weeks [TS]

00:15:46   Friday right and a lot of people have been writing to me you know it down [TS]

00:15:51   fireball emailing saying like hey maybe this whole thing is just nonsense and [TS]

00:15:55   you know Apple not denying it is just their usual you know we don't comment [TS]

00:15:59   one way or the other because if they end there might be you know who knows I [TS]

00:16:05   don't I actually don't know but you know that the idea would be why wouldn't [TS]

00:16:09   happen just publicly denied if it weren't true [TS]

00:16:11   the idea then would be that they'd be right because then they'd be giving it [TS]

00:16:17   away if there is another subsequent one that was real but was still pending and [TS]

00:16:24   then they didn't comment on that one then it would be a sign that if it's not [TS]

00:16:29   true Apple deny it but if it is true is true that helped me why we're so [TS]

00:16:34   therefore if they want to maintain you know people in here until they actually [TS]

00:16:41   make the announcement themselves they have to not comment on everything [TS]

00:16:44   whether it's true or false [TS]

00:16:45   so there's some logic there but I do think though that if it weren't the case [TS]

00:16:50   then I I don't think they moved to address it officially with an official [TS]

00:16:53   statement but I think behind the scenes they get word out and we haven't even [TS]

00:16:58   seen any sign of that there's not a single report from anybody saying you [TS]

00:17:04   know unnamed sources familiar with the situation say that Apple is not buying [TS]

00:17:08   beats everything as you indicated that they still intend to and Peter Kafka [TS]

00:17:16   recode that's the new AllThingsD [TS]

00:17:20   he said like mid week last week that it was taking longer than expected but that [TS]

00:17:27   this is the week sometime this week announced I guess it seems like that [TS]

00:17:34   probably didn't help I would guess that probably wasn't a great idea [TS]

00:17:42   think so I just my guess is it's not the video that was the problem is the fact [TS]

00:17:54   that the video to rate the major the major problem right it was probably [TS]

00:17:58   jumping the gun [TS]

00:18:00   yeah and I would guess that dr dre did not expected to be posted to Facebook [TS]

00:18:05   you know he you know he's he's very very smart man and he's clearly been if it's [TS]

00:18:14   true he's clearly been in he knows enough that Apple doesn't want anything [TS]

00:18:18   that I think that you know it was the fact that it was his friend that but [TS]

00:18:22   wasn't he posted it to Facebook it was his friend that posted about that was a [TS]

00:18:27   good conversation it was only up for a few hours rain and it was taken down [TS]

00:18:33   early in the morning and it also seemed like the sort of situation where maybe [TS]

00:18:38   he would have been getting up early in the morning that would probably be my [TS]

00:18:47   guess is well yeah there might have been sleeping internet for that but it was me [TS]

00:18:51   know and I know judgment there nobody loves asleep in morn I do you sure can [TS]

00:18:59   swing in a pair of Beats headphones around that somebody with an opinion [TS]

00:19:03   about them yeah yeah I think the funny thing is I think that's it to me the [TS]

00:19:08   interesting thing about it isn't the actual is no longer the actual [TS]

00:19:11   acquisition of it comes to pass it's more that the way that we've had like [TS]

00:19:17   this two week period where it was just one confirmed rumor with no explanation [TS]

00:19:23   from Apple repeat as to why you would want to do this [TS]

00:19:28   it's become like this sort of blank canvas where everybody can project [TS]

00:19:33   whatever they think about Apple onto it good or bad yeah yeah I guess I think I [TS]

00:19:42   think it I everything I mean everything that Apple does has that a house that [TS]

00:19:45   element to it and I feel better I feel like this more so than anything else [TS]

00:19:49   because we lose it did seem to come out of left field like nobody is really [TS]

00:19:54   predicting it it did seem confusing at first to a lot of us to me at least and [TS]

00:20:01   I think it's still I think it's so confusing a little bit anyway because it [TS]

00:20:05   doesn't seem like the hardware that great it doesn't seem like you know like [TS]

00:20:09   they have a streaming service already and from what everybody says it doesn't [TS]

00:20:14   seem like the licenses for the music go along with the sale but then there's a [TS]

00:20:22   vine where three billion seems like a lot for in a quagmire exactly right I [TS]

00:20:29   don't you know maybe altogether though maybe a know it all together it seems [TS]

00:20:33   like something a little bit here a little bit there is no it's not you know [TS]

00:20:37   on the surface it's not completely clear exactly what the value is yeah I totally [TS]

00:20:43   agree but I don't know though that it you know I'm willing to say as somebody [TS]

00:20:49   who is you know I think widely known as a key now Paul observer I'm willing to [TS]

00:20:56   say I just don't know and just wait just wait you know I don't have a different [TS]

00:21:03   way that I could go off on any kind of strongly opinionated you know column or [TS]

00:21:11   or rant here on the show one way or the other that this is stupid it's genius [TS]

00:21:16   either way I i dont know I don't know enough yet I don't know why more people [TS]

00:21:19   can't just say I don't know I think that's a sign of weakness I guess I [TS]

00:21:26   don't know but I've seen people as you know the saying that this is the [TS]

00:21:29   clearest sign this is incontrovertible proof that Tim Cook is a moron [TS]

00:21:36   you know that he's running the country into the company into the ground [TS]

00:21:39   and and other people say it's genius you know in this you know keeps out on top [TS]

00:21:46   of the music industry for another two decades and it's really I don't see how [TS]

00:21:50   either of those extremes is evident in least ya jung did you read today's young [TS]

00:21:56   weaknesses and now I did not going to suggest he's gonna be a good piece of [TS]

00:22:00   today is Monday notice about is about that in his opinion he puts it fairly [TS]

00:22:07   well basically just saying that he doesn't he doesn't understand it at this [TS]

00:22:12   point I think that's the to me that's the only thinking man's take is that it [TS]

00:22:19   doesn't make it less intriguing if anything it makes it more intriguing [TS]

00:22:22   because it's now we you know there's something interesting going on here I [TS]

00:22:26   can't wait to find out more about it there's gotta be you just feel like [TS]

00:22:29   there's gotta be something more you know like I don't think I really really [TS]

00:22:35   really do not think that the answer is apple has just given up and decided to [TS]

00:22:43   just be lazy and just throw billions around without really thinking about it [TS]

00:22:48   that after going decades only making relatively small I mean I think it's the [TS]

00:22:56   case that they haven't made a billion they've never made a billion dollar [TS]

00:23:00   acquisition and that all of a sudden now after never having done so now they're [TS]

00:23:07   just going to spend money willy nilly I mean it doesn't make sense to me but [TS]

00:23:14   without a very very concrete idea of how it's going to help out I just don't see [TS]

00:23:19   it it's interesting that when they acquired next to me next was only 400 [TS]

00:23:25   million or something like that yeah four hundred and some yeah and there's some [TS]

00:23:30   inflation adjustment they have to do right but there's also think this just [TS]

00:23:34   apart from the value of the dollar there's there's an acquisition inflation [TS]

00:23:40   yeah that's gone on since then these acquisitions that have happened just [TS]

00:23:45   driven up like every time somebody wants to get acquired their life wells [TS]

00:23:52   facebook buys Instagram for well look at it this way that the Apple into the [TS]

00:23:58   Apple next acquisition was I forget one it was officially completed I think it [TS]

00:24:05   was like at least a handshake around Christmas 1996 but but made official in [TS]

00:24:11   january ninety seven so whether you want to call it 96 or 97 1997 as a little bit [TS]

00:24:17   better because it you know you know Christmas weaker New Years week 96 is [TS]

00:24:23   effectively 97 anyway but even so the dot-com bubble was still in the early [TS]

00:24:30   days you know it it gotten started but it was still early days and so I think [TS]

00:24:36   at that point [TS]

00:24:37   acquisitions were still largely done on traditional metrics [TS]

00:24:44   revenue and profit like the idea that you add value and acquisition on [TS]

00:24:50   anything it's sad that a lot of cases but in others maybe not so you know like [TS]

00:24:58   a good example maybe Facebook buying Instagram where Instagram hadn't tried [TS]

00:25:04   to make a nickel right they'd never sold the app they did they've never done is [TS]

00:25:09   clearly worth a lot right because they had growth and they had you know all of [TS]

00:25:14   these images they had given a good technology like 12 me often goes under [TS]

00:25:20   sunset about Instagram because it's when things work we just don't notice it we [TS]

00:25:24   take it for granted but Twitter which was all just text you know had so many [TS]

00:25:31   problems with scaling with the fail whale etcetera [TS]

00:25:35   Instagram was doing something you know where I'm guessing the average Instagram [TS]

00:25:40   post is at least I could be there can be at least a thousand times bigger than [TS]

00:25:46   tweet though because its own image now just 140 characters rain I don't know I [TS]

00:25:54   might be but I could be ten thousand times where I don't even know I don't [TS]

00:25:58   even know how big an instrument to bed gotta be at least two thousand times [TS]

00:26:00   more and never really had scheduling problems right and the previous darling [TS]

00:26:09   of social photo sharing Flickr [TS]

00:26:12   we have to go way back in the day for the early days of liquor before Yahoo [TS]

00:26:17   bought them also had you know terrible scaling problems and it was far smaller [TS]

00:26:23   than Instagram was they did a great job so there's some value there but billions [TS]

00:26:27   or was it one doing that Facebook bought them for I think so [TS]

00:26:32   for a company that never even tried to make a little crazy while not crazy but [TS]

00:26:38   it's it's it was certainly be crazy [TS]

00:26:40   users which is a pretty important branch for that kind of thing and the potential [TS]

00:26:46   to make money is there [TS]

00:26:48   yeah I think the biggest thing if you're going to compare something like Apple [TS]

00:26:55   buying beats four three billion today to apple's next acquisition in ninety-seven [TS]

00:27:01   isn't about the inflationary difference between 400 and some million in three [TS]

00:27:08   billion now it's really more how much is the cost compared to how much the couple [TS]

00:27:14   had on hand at the time whereas now Apple has one hundred and sixty billion [TS]

00:27:18   in cash [TS]

00:27:19   much of it off see overseas but even so even if you even if they decided to pay [TS]

00:27:26   the entire price in cash using overseas cash and pay you know thirty or forty [TS]

00:27:31   percent income tax on the thing it's it's a drop in the bucket rate they [TS]

00:27:37   could spend five billion on beats and it's only 130 fifth of their entire cash [TS]

00:27:43   on hand [TS]

00:27:44   you know it you know whereas the 400 and some million acquisition of next in 1997 [TS]

00:27:51   was people say this all the time that it's a bet the company move that that is [TS]

00:27:57   one case where it's not the least bit of hyperbole where it was enough you know [TS]

00:28:01   Apple was near bankruptcy they didn't have it couldn't afford to lose to [TS]

00:28:05   tonight [TS]

00:28:06   workout right if you're just basically was so Microsoft investment was a [TS]

00:28:12   hundred and fifty million hundred and fifty million so it was three times [TS]

00:28:17   bigger than a 30 at Microsoft physically fit for a third of them have said this [TS]

00:28:23   before Microsoft's people off a look back at that and say that microsoft [TS]

00:28:27   helped save apple by giving them a hundred and fifty million 250 million [TS]

00:28:31   they gave out but didn't really make much of a difference compared you know [TS]

00:28:34   in terms of keeping the company afloat like they needed office yet they still [TS]

00:28:38   needed billions of revenue per quarter just to stay in the black so a hundred [TS]

00:28:43   and fifty million investment from Microsoft and it was enough at the time [TS]

00:28:47   that it certainly didn't hurt but it didn't make a big difference i mean they [TS]

00:28:51   need to billions in revenue and keep costs down to stay in the black [TS]

00:28:54   quarter-to-quarter it was like you said yet the commitment to keep doing office [TS]

00:29:00   and the political value of the hundred and fifty million dollars [TS]

00:29:05   the fact that is Apple's revenue last quarter was forty five point six billion [TS]

00:29:10   so consider that they'd taken at about that and that's not a record quarter 3 [TS]

00:29:22   million to three billion doesn't seem like very much right I think that the [TS]

00:29:27   the the concern and I have this concern I do you know I want to see how it turns [TS]

00:29:32   out I mean but as a as a company watcher I'm certainly concerned about it where [TS]

00:29:37   it's not the money its to me the the the potential that it could signify a lack [TS]

00:29:44   of focus focus has always been the key to Apple's success that they have all of [TS]

00:29:53   this town in the company and so many good executives and the whole operation [TS]

00:29:59   is working on such a relatively few number of products [TS]

00:30:05   Tim Cook has said he's used the analogy several times but that like you know [TS]

00:30:10   that that he could put all of the company's products on one table in an [TS]

00:30:14   Apple store the entire lineup of hardware that Apple sells [TS]

00:30:18   could be arranged neatly on one table and that that sort of focus is what led [TS]

00:30:24   to the company do such good work on those products yeah I guess that that [TS]

00:30:29   kind of colors how you think this deal as the value of this deal depending on [TS]

00:30:36   what do you think they're gonna sort of subsume that brand into their own or [TS]

00:30:40   keep it separate yeah totally I mean my dear and I talked about this last week I [TS]

00:30:46   just don't know I did me that's the one of the single biggest questions about [TS]

00:30:50   this potential acquisition is fascinating to me because on the one [TS]

00:30:56   hand I can't see Apple having only sub sub brand and on the other hand I can't [TS]

00:31:05   see spending three billion dollars for beats and not keeping the brand because [TS]

00:31:10   to me it seems to me like most of the value and beats is in the brand yeah I [TS]

00:31:15   would guess so I got again I have heard from some people i mean clearly among [TS]

00:31:24   audio files in your Marco Arment people who really know what they have seemingly [TS]

00:31:32   overall operational years and really can't tell the difference between [TS]

00:31:35   different headphones Beats is is like a non-entity and almost treated with [TS]

00:31:41   disdain but I've seen other people say well so audio files will keep minor [TS]

00:31:45   audiophile headphones you know from Sennheiser and whoever else but normal [TS]

00:31:51   people who love the way beats headphones sound and that it's not about like [TS]

00:31:57   fidelity and reproducing music you know and some sort of way that you measure [TS]

00:32:02   fidelity but effectively making it sound as though you have a nightclub in your [TS]

00:32:07   head and they do a really good job that I don't know though that that means that [TS]

00:32:14   it would be hard for a competitor to do the same thing though that they you know [TS]

00:32:18   that they have technology that is it that they have technology that's hard to [TS]

00:32:21   reproduce serve you know I don't think that seemed like that now doesn't seem [TS]

00:32:26   particularly since their stuff was made by monster before [TS]

00:32:29   write her own suffer a little while 66 months or something [TS]

00:32:36   yeah I've also seen other people this is on Twitter and always has been the knock [TS]

00:32:43   against Apple for as long as Apple is existed in probably from 1980 onwards [TS]

00:32:51   people who are clearly not a fan of Apple products and general saying it's a [TS]

00:32:55   perfect acquisition for Apple overpriced technology sold based on marketing alone [TS]

00:33:01   so it's you know I don't think it's a problem for Apple that from among some [TS]

00:33:05   people the idea that Apple buys beads reinforces that notion of the company [TS]

00:33:10   because I feel like those people there's nothing could ever do in a million years [TS]

00:33:13   to turn around right end if your goal is to get a hundred percent of all [TS]

00:33:20   consumers to view your brand favorably you're doomed you're never you're gonna [TS]

00:33:25   you know there's no brand in any market that works like that so what other other [TS]

00:33:32   acquisitions so let's take a break and let me tell you about our first sponsor [TS]

00:33:39   our good friends all three sponsors today [TS]

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00:33:53   glue that's the internet you'll actually like it and they want me to tell you a [TS]

00:34:01   little bit about their comparison to SharePoint a SharePoint sin internet [TS]

00:34:08   product from a little company in my washington state of Washington about you [TS]

00:34:12   Microsoft is correct just up the road you go to the URL which is igloo [TS]

00:34:20   software dot com slash the talk show you will go to a special page they've set up [TS]

00:34:26   just for listeners of the show where they show the results of a white paper [TS]

00:34:32   that they commissioned from a company called Osterman research they said here [TS]

00:34:35   you guys got there were paying you but got their due in August version when you [TS]

00:34:39   compare our [TS]

00:34:40   SharePoint and then we're going to share this information with people and they [TS]

00:34:46   came out ahead in just about every way you can imagine SharePoint is too [TS]

00:34:50   expensive you can save time and money by going with a blue SharePoint requires [TS]

00:34:55   too many resources you have to host yourself it to pay for these Windows [TS]

00:34:58   servers igloo is fully hosted you don't have to worry about it people actually [TS]

00:35:03   this is the big one [TS]

00:35:04   people actually use it but they found his companies that use SharePoint based [TS]

00:35:08   internets what the employees actually do is spend all their time going around it [TS]

00:35:12   and using Gmail and avoiding it whereas companies that use a glue people [TS]

00:35:17   actually will use it and they like it and I'm laughing because I used to work [TS]

00:35:22   supports the use SharePoint and and that is exactly what we found right you [TS]

00:35:28   install it and then people find ways to get around to get away from it [TS]

00:35:31   SharePoint doesn't play well with mobile that's a huge thing going forward you [TS]

00:35:36   know everything they do it as responsible ads so it all works great [TS]

00:35:40   from your phone whether you're on the Android where they're on iOS so they [TS]

00:35:45   have a thing you can download just go to include software dot com slash the talk [TS]

00:35:49   show they have an evaluation kit you can download they also have some new [TS]

00:35:54   template they've set up pretty recently came out like last month but template [TS]

00:35:59   you can use any group to set up a glue in different ways depending on what you [TS]

00:36:03   need [TS]

00:36:04   like if you need a customer community site or corporate intranet just for your [TS]

00:36:10   team to show two very different use cases where the years you know setting [TS]

00:36:13   up something for community of users people outside the company or something [TS]

00:36:16   internal only [TS]

00:36:18   they have an app based social network [TS]

00:36:22   couple of new template all of them you can start using for free with up to 10 [TS]

00:36:29   people just to try it out [TS]

00:36:31   and that's just fantastic as in you you to set up free using a free get ten [TS]

00:36:37   people on board [TS]

00:36:38   you have to pay anything and make sure that it works just the way you want that [TS]

00:36:41   it actually is all these things I've just been telling her crew only then do [TS]

00:36:45   you need to sign up when you add more than 10 people and after that the prices [TS]

00:36:49   really really competitive so my thanks to them and again just go to a glue [TS]

00:36:54   software dot com slash the talk show what retirement acquisitions so what [TS]

00:37:01   else positions there is good reason why I thought by having your show so it's [TS]

00:37:09   again rumored not completed as re-record but youtube is possibly by twitch twitch [TS]

00:37:16   4 $1,000,000,000 [TS]

00:37:19   two interesting things about that one it which is is effectively I thought I just [TS]

00:37:25   posted it in before I did we start recording that it may take the ESPN [TS]

00:37:28   video games that they stream they treat video games where he is being treated [TS]

00:37:33   sports and you go to Twitter news twitching you can watch you know top [TS]

00:37:37   players play video games and you and I have talked about this race uncertain [TS]

00:37:43   years old are really into watching videos of people playing video games and [TS]

00:37:49   you know I didn't come up with this last time we talked about it but you know [TS]

00:37:52   I've already watched this season probably Yankees have played in 42 games [TS]

00:37:58   so far I've probably watched about 30 of them so I'm probably up close to $100 of [TS]

00:38:05   baseball that I bought so far this year and yet I'm the one who was thinking [TS]

00:38:10   just like a month ago [TS]

00:38:12   see how crazy it is that my son watches people playing game video of people [TS]

00:38:16   playing games rather than point whereas I haven't played baseball [TS]

00:38:21   fifteen years and watch hundreds of hours over the year and it just hit me [TS]

00:38:25   like a ton of bricks I does the same thing you know i mean the baseball so I [TS]

00:38:29   love watching my favorite baseball team play he's into video games into it loves [TS]

00:38:34   watching people play video games and I would rather watch people play video [TS]

00:38:38   games because of a better chance than with my local sports team I have a [TS]

00:38:43   better chance seeing somebody actually win so I think if you're if your YouTube [TS]

00:38:56   Google YouTube that makes a lot of my also think it's interesting that it's [TS]

00:39:00   being dealt with as a YouTube acquisition not a group was interesting [TS]

00:39:05   too and I didn't even notice but like the head of YouTube her title as CEO [TS]

00:39:10   like their YouTube I didn't know that I I just thought they were trying to get [TS]

00:39:14   the same unified sign in everywhere I didn't realize that you to business you [TS]

00:39:18   know as independent as it seems to be interesting but it only makes sense to [TS]

00:39:24   be you know for it to you know it does make sense that it's YouTube in [TS]

00:39:27   particular not Google in general that might be making this acquisition [TS]

00:39:31   somebody and I apologize because they don't remember it was a retweet of [TS]

00:39:35   someone who don't follow but said that a while ago Vimeo had noticed that event [TS]

00:39:40   that people were posting a lot of certain let's play videos and responded [TS]

00:39:47   by banning which I mean I guess that's what you want for your platform and ya [TS]

00:39:56   want that kind of thing they're they're a little more hard CAS and they've you [TS]

00:40:01   know they've they've always sort of differentiated themselves from youtuber [TS]

00:40:06   YouTube is sort of been like anything that you can legally post as video you [TS]

00:40:12   can post to YouTube where you know i mean you know copyright stuff in [TS]

00:40:18   particular and I'm sure that there's some kind of content based stuff that [TS]

00:40:21   would get rejected directed from YouTube but if it's legal you can post in care [TS]

00:40:26   what it is right you mean you can just yeah I'm sure they actually are often a [TS]

00:40:31   man in the basal usually easily [TS]

00:40:33   wait for someone asked taken down whereas Vimeo as always exactly they [TS]

00:40:38   sort of wanted sort of artistic style and they also have restrictions about [TS]

00:40:43   commercials type stuff you know where you can so I did I didn't think about [TS]

00:40:48   that the licensing aspect of it which me me me me me that is more of what it is [TS]

00:40:53   rather than sort of the Arts aspect of it yeah I thought it was more like we're [TS]

00:40:59   doing so we don't wants let's play videos on our site I did see somebody [TS]

00:41:07   tweeted that one of the things people who are fans of Twitter concerned about [TS]

00:41:10   with the YouTube acquisition is that a lot of these videos get posted with [TS]

00:41:14   music playing in the background and YouTube has done very very good at [TS]

00:41:19   flagging such things identifying copyright music but to me that sort of [TS]

00:41:25   you know and and you know I'm not a big fan of Google I think it's fair to say [TS]

00:41:30   but I have to say that if you're putting copyright music and your videos and [TS]

00:41:33   uploading them to a commercial website gets his hands on you [TS]

00:41:39   there's sort of you know the world's tiniest violin playing the sad you know [TS]

00:41:44   I understand that it's it in if you know it's one of those things like comiXology [TS]

00:41:50   going to Amazon where you know it is making it worse for you as a user but [TS]

00:41:55   you know come on you know copyright stuff is still using music for free is [TS]

00:42:01   still have to admit a gray area [TS]

00:42:04   rain had you know you had to think eventually that bubble was gonna burst [TS]

00:42:08   one way or the other [TS]

00:42:10   yeah and I do I think we're on the cusp of this sort of video people people [TS]

00:42:16   spent you know note observing observing noting and then monetizing the fact that [TS]

00:42:22   millions of people are watching hundreds and hundreds of hours of people play [TS]

00:42:27   videogames [TS]

00:42:28   that's gonna be honest quickly it's gonna take long before it it's like me [TS]

00:42:33   who think wow these crazy kids today you know no longer see it as as fodder [TS]

00:42:38   annual yeah maybe you mentioned this before but I feel like that says this is [TS]

00:42:44   kind of my first [TS]

00:42:45   moment of having something like that come up in from kids so yummy kids from [TS]

00:42:51   you know our kids are 10 and seeing what they do in the beginning going you know [TS]

00:42:59   that's so low brow but then realizing well maybe not even need to give it [TS]

00:43:04   another chance and I'm sure it's just like any i mean i I feel like I'm most [TS]

00:43:08   proud of myself for being as under my chin Lee has to recognize that this is [TS]

00:43:13   normal that there's there's not that I shouldn't be saying that I was wrong [TS]

00:43:17   that I shouldn't be seen this is weird yeah I'm kind of proud of myself an end [TS]

00:43:23   wasn't until she started watching this stupid even realize that this was such a [TS]

00:43:27   huge industry [TS]

00:43:29   yea well your article writing the guys doing minecraft stuff in making [TS]

00:43:34   ridiculous amounts of money and good for them right [TS]

00:43:38   yes it's great i mean cuz it all comes down to the bottom line is attention you [TS]

00:43:44   know this is not a new observation it's obvious but you know that's the one [TS]

00:43:48   thing that we have collectively in the aggregate that a limited resource every [TS]

00:43:53   person on the 24 hours in the day and we need to spend a certain number of hours [TS]

00:43:57   that sleeping and eating and working or going to school or something so you know [TS]

00:44:04   if you're capturing in the aggregate millions of hours of attention there's [TS]

00:44:08   tremendous value there is simply wrong about that article recently tweeted that [TS]

00:44:17   he's [TS]

00:44:18   picture Jack Black Jack Black and the two of them are gonna be working on [TS]

00:44:24   something to her so yeah that's so great [TS]

00:44:28   which is a really which is a good fit for starters but also just given the [TS]

00:44:34   fact that the guy who was working in a pub two years ago and now like mobile [TS]

00:44:41   love you too my craft and so awesome but that it's all just you know a piece that [TS]

00:44:46   you're doing this you know you're doing this thing that people watch for this [TS]

00:44:51   reason I do these things that people watch for another reason we should do [TS]

00:44:53   something together [TS]

00:44:55   what else acquisition use AT&T is buying direct tv for forty five billion dollars [TS]

00:45:06   you can just feel the increasing competition came I was just target as of [TS]

00:45:13   yesterday we got together with friends yesterday out of town friends and we [TS]

00:45:18   were talking about that that's the thing that really great about Comcast Time [TS]

00:45:24   Warner merger which is really Comcast buying time warner which is almost the [TS]

00:45:29   same amount of money like 46 billion dollars it would be one day of Comcast's [TS]

00:45:35   argument was ok don't worry this is still gonna be ok for consumers here's [TS]

00:45:41   why that's in Anderson some kind of argument they could make their and maybe [TS]

00:45:46   it makes some kind of sense but the fact that they're actually saying that it [TS]

00:45:49   will increase competition it would increase competition for us to consume [TS]

00:45:55   our largest competitor makes no sense [TS]

00:45:59   rate like if the Yankees and Red Sox merged you could say well this should be [TS]

00:46:06   good for baseball for this reason or the other but you can't say it would [TS]

00:46:10   increase competition because the two archrivals with you know big budgets [TS]

00:46:15   DirecTV and AT&T emerging cannot increase competition he adds that it's [TS]

00:46:25   classic lobbyists talk I also saw the DirecTV in particular was part of a comp [TS]

00:46:33   its I think it's driven you know it could be the sort of thing or maybe he [TS]

00:46:38   wouldn't have done this if they didn't have the nagging feeling that this [TS]

00:46:41   Comcast Time Warner thing is gonna go through and that they kinda need you [TS]

00:46:46   know they need to get bigger in the same way but that Comcast part of Comcast's [TS]

00:46:51   argument that it's not anti competitive bad for consumers in a competitive way [TS]

00:46:57   is that the average us' citizen has like three options are 33 at least three [TS]

00:47:03   options as an alternative to Comcast and Time Warner but that that's it's not [TS]

00:47:09   about cable service here on any kind of wired [TS]

00:47:14   DirecTV you know that they're counting as competition something of an entirely [TS]

00:47:18   different sort of the whole thing had mentioned this before I'm just glad city [TS]

00:47:27   provided broadband you know very few cities have done that [TS]

00:47:32   forget who I just saw somebody was was it San Diego I forget their summer in [TS]

00:47:38   Southern California where their municipal municipal wi-fi and that it [TS]

00:47:43   works it's it's really good and you know if it's not San Diego it somewhere else [TS]

00:47:48   in Southern California but that you know you're downtown and you can just walk [TS]

00:47:51   around and get on the wifi and you have you know superior to you know like LTE [TS]

00:47:57   wireless internet everywhere [TS]

00:48:00   yeah but those pockets are very few and far between so what you guys have you [TS]

00:48:06   guys have wired broadband and who do you pay hooray where we are it was one of [TS]

00:48:12   those late nineties cities vying for the title of America's Most Wired city of [TS]

00:48:20   the future [TS]

00:48:24   do you do to the city runs the network and they contracted with a few small [TS]

00:48:32   local private companies to provide the service and come out and do the [TS]

00:48:37   installation stuff like that there's a good service centers is fine [TS]

00:48:41   yeah I mean it's certainly no worse than Comcast [TS]

00:48:46   should be a feel good that I'm not sending Comcast my money that's their [TS]

00:48:51   slogan you certainly know you know it's you know I experienced ups and downs I [TS]

00:49:01   don't have any idea of experience more ups and downs than your average Comcast [TS]

00:49:04   user yeah but i dont it I don't get a lot of them and I i pay for like the [TS]

00:49:12   cheapest so shocker yes you need to take a break here and thank our second [TS]

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00:51:10   worry about just a great service I think it's probably a great thing not just for [TS]

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00:51:40   what you're waiting for and I don't even know I can't imagine why anybody would [TS]

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00:52:13   well then you're not sure you should started started right now while [TS]

00:52:19   recording the show of escape because I'm sure that won't cause any work done by [TS]

00:52:28   thanks to back plays for ruining this recording of the talking [TS]

00:52:35   I take it does put perspective on where if you want you know Apple the company [TS]

00:52:40   with a hundred and sixty billion in the bank is buying a company for three [TS]

00:52:44   billion dollars and it was good news for you know we can have if it was suing it [TS]

00:52:51   comes to fruition this week I'm sure it'll pop pop back up to the top of the [TS]

00:52:54   tech news was at 1:15 the size of a TNT's purchase of DirecTV do you think [TS]

00:53:05   that they would wait until WWDC I I thought of that I do you know they're [TS]

00:53:10   close enough now because what we're as we record today were two weeks to the [TS]

00:53:14   day we're recording on Monday the 19th over two weeks to the day so I don't [TS]

00:53:18   know why not you know it you know especially if they have some sort of [TS]

00:53:25   consumer base story to tell about why they're doing it and what they have a [TS]

00:53:29   plan together why not [TS]

00:53:32   yeah why not just get all the paperwork ready to go [TS]

00:53:36   don't put the signatures down until Sunday June first and then you know [TS]

00:53:40   monday june 2nd have something someone like you know it's close enough then you [TS]

00:53:47   got instant news right now that anybody's probably not gonna write about [TS]

00:53:53   it anyway but well and they get their own they get to get to spend it their [TS]

00:54:00   way [TS]

00:54:01   tell their story to tell their side of the story and explain themselves first [TS]

00:54:05   in a in a forum that more a richer medium than just a press release writing [TS]

00:54:16   press releases can write what you want to say whereas during WWDC keynote you [TS]

00:54:21   can tell it and you can use voice and slides bring doctor grapes I don't know [TS]

00:54:30   I don't know but it's you know it's you know the way that can under something [TS]

00:54:36   about watching people talk that different and better than just reading [TS]

00:54:40   about it right the iPhone announcement 2007 would not have been the iPhone [TS]

00:54:45   announcement if it had just come out [TS]

00:54:46   the press release with a picture the fact that it was on on stage with the [TS]

00:54:51   crowd right stands sigmund had been there [TS]

00:54:53   exactly what would we have laughed at what anybody else is fondly as we did [TS]

00:55:04   was it was it was just so that keynote was so amazing and then we had to sit [TS]

00:55:13   there for five minutes and listen to stand segment 0 at the end and interest [TS]

00:55:18   and Sigmund was dancing is it sigmund or stickman sigmund and Sigmund was to the [TS]

00:55:25   iPhone keynote what christian Laettner was to the dream team remember the dream [TS]

00:55:33   team the original the first time a USB same professional basketball players to [TS]

00:55:37   the Olympics and it was Michael Jordan Larry Bird Magic Johnson Charles part I [TS]

00:55:43   mean it's just those three that three of the top are arguably the I think well [TS]

00:55:48   you know the bronze probably up there now maybe I don't know but you know at [TS]

00:55:52   the time they were all three were considered arguably the single greatest [TS]

00:55:55   player of all time [TS]

00:55:57   all on the same team you know almost all not just all-stars but Hall of Famers [TS]

00:56:03   down the line and then they had they have room for one college player and it [TS]

00:56:07   could have been either Shaq who wound up having a fantastic pro career of Fame [TS]

00:56:12   career [TS]

00:56:13   christian Laettner from Duke a pic christian Laettner was dancing [TS]

00:56:22   greatest announcement the history of consumer electronics and then one point [TS]

00:56:32   just like stall in the midst of outright near pandemonium and delirium in in the [TS]

00:56:41   in the Hall of a sudden there is the narcolepsy people had two passes [TS]

00:56:50   smelling salts out when Jerry Yang is that there is up there in he's not the [TS]

00:57:01   least charismatic [TS]

00:57:22   and send them to attention like a dummy forgot to mention something that I [TS]

00:57:30   wanted to during the recording with John Holt and that is this for those of you [TS]

00:57:36   who will be in San Francisco during the week of WWDC I'm going to have another [TS]

00:57:42   live audience episode of the talk show done this last two years as with the [TS]

00:57:47   third year it's been a lot of fun and the show should be even better than [TS]

00:57:53   before going to be on Tuesday that's june 3rd 6 to 9 p.m. at mezzanine in San [TS]

00:58:00   Francisco we've already got the menu I don't have any ticket information yet [TS]

00:58:04   don't have the URL but I will so what I'm going to do is rather than announce [TS]

00:58:11   it on daring fireball I will announce it here on the show in the next episode [TS]

00:58:15   about this episode 92 right now [TS]

00:58:19   next episode episode 82 I will have instructions URL or something like that [TS]

00:58:26   where you go to buy your tickets for the show so the first crack at tickets we [TS]

00:58:31   should have about 500 available the first crack will go to the first people [TS]

00:58:37   to listen to the show so if you really want to get a ticket you wanna be sure [TS]

00:58:40   to get one [TS]

00:58:40   pay attention keep your eyes peeled for the next episode of the talk show up [TS]

00:58:45   city to give it a listen and in that show you'll find out how to get a ticket [TS]

00:58:49   thanks hope to see you there [TS]

00:58:53   and now back to the talk show [TS]

00:58:58   so so WWC two weeks two weeks maybe when I hold off on hold off on speculation [TS]

00:59:09   for your next show maybe you know get asked me questions and i know i phone I [TS]

00:59:20   don't think so [TS]

00:59:22   split screen I pen yeah I believe it I mean I don't think it's ridiculous and [TS]

00:59:35   you know I trust mark Gurman who reported enough that I don't think that [TS]

00:59:40   he you know i think is source probably you know is reasonably either in Apple [TS]

00:59:46   are reasonably could be expected to do know of such a thing but I don't know I [TS]

00:59:52   the devil would be in the details in terms of how it actually how you [TS]

00:59:56   actually get into and out of this such a mode yeah because I think that's been [TS]

01:00:02   Microsoft which tells you can use to apps at the same time but you wouldn't [TS]

01:00:07   really want to write my guess is if it's true it's something that you managed [TS]

01:00:13   within them the multitasking switcher in other words would that thing you get [TS]

01:00:18   when you double tap the home button and then you zoom out a little bit like a [TS]

01:00:23   card type you now in Iowa 7 you do and it might even help explain why they [TS]

01:00:29   switched to that card type of you where you actually see what looks like windows [TS]

01:00:34   of your apps as you pan left and right and that maybe you could take two of [TS]

01:00:39   them and put them together and then you know but I don't know though it all [TS]

01:00:45   seems you know you start thinking about this if you actually try to think it [TS]

01:00:48   through and you know get a detailed down enough that you can actually hand over [TS]

01:00:53   to someone and say ok built this if you start seeing how complicated it is cuz [TS]

01:00:58   it almost certainly would require apps to support it explicitly because of the [TS]

01:01:04   size of the app on screen would be it would be a new size it would be a new [TS]

01:01:08   windows [TS]

01:01:09   right because it's you know it's something that would work with if they [TS]

01:01:14   announce it WWC by definition it would be part of an announcement of Iowa State [TS]

01:01:18   not part of new iPad hardware so it would have to work on existing iPads and [TS]

01:01:24   then so you could just take the half the size of the i pad screen and that's the [TS]

01:01:28   size that the app would be running in you know 1020 2048 to be like 1024 by [TS]

01:01:36   whatever I can to write but it would still be new dimensions in a new size [TS]

01:01:44   yeah and it would so you couldn't just pushed together any to action only be [TS]

01:01:55   able to put together two apps that support it was and how do you show the [TS]

01:01:58   user which ones you can put together I don't know [TS]

01:02:02   yeah and he also he is dealing with he and sort of insinuated that it might [TS]

01:02:08   have implications for well I guess he said this but for data sharing between [TS]

01:02:14   different out on that point I think he was I think he was guessing guessing [TS]

01:02:20   yeah cause I don't think it didn't seem like that was [TS]

01:02:24   what came from a source it seemed like that was his reforms yeah I don't think [TS]

01:02:29   it would require the XP CD is he said yea certainly possible but again I think [TS]

01:02:37   it would have to be you know you have to figure out after he see the details of [TS]

01:02:40   exactly how you get into and out of the mode and then it has to be the sort of [TS]

01:02:43   thing where I think the most important thing would be that you can't get into [TS]

01:02:47   it accidentally cause I think that then all of a sudden you're in it's starting [TS]

01:02:51   to turn into something like the Mac where people are easily confused and [TS]

01:02:55   that's so big a part of why as a pro at it would be going to be great as a pro [TS]

01:03:00   features something that you turn on explosively right and you just can't [TS]

01:03:04   underestimate you don't want somebody like my mother or father right now that [TS]

01:03:10   everything's always I know I don't play that card lately you know that if they [TS]

01:03:14   know that some people will get all incensed about the non techie tech-savvy [TS]

01:03:21   grandparents card but it's true it's absolutely true I mean my my parents [TS]

01:03:26   both have iPad now and in the years I've gotten like one call bell again iPad [TS]

01:03:34   problem and it was really came down to a building with the cellular wireless [TS]

01:03:41   which is you know sort of a complicated aspect of it but in terms of just using [TS]

01:03:46   it it's never been a problem whereas I think you and I talked about you did you [TS]

01:03:50   get a call once when somebody was in full screen mode yeah oh yeah absolutely [TS]

01:03:56   couldn't get out right exactly know that was exactly true where my my parents had [TS]

01:04:02   got a new iMac and upgraded jumped a couple versions of Mac OS and never had [TS]

01:04:10   full screen mode before got into it and it was a confusing from caucuses in [TS]

01:04:15   there how do you quit we want to quit male and i was just go up to the menu [TS]

01:04:19   and then there is no menu [TS]

01:04:21   there's always that way now in full screen although I guess if you run the [TS]

01:04:26   mouse up there there is a minimal because they couldn't see it in the [TS]

01:04:29   first place they never even thought to run the mouse up see if there was a [TS]

01:04:31   drink and getting into full screen mode accidentally [TS]

01:04:36   required a phone call and I feel like whatever the iPad does 42 apps on the [TS]

01:04:41   screen at the same time cannot be something that is going to get me a [TS]

01:04:44   phone call if I get a phone call about it then i somebody didn't do their job [TS]

01:04:49   and to me that's more important than number two which would be making it [TS]

01:04:55   convenient enough that power users who know what they're doing and who really [TS]

01:04:59   want to do it can get into it easy enough that it's that they end up using [TS]

01:05:04   I don't know if there's a lot of people out there who want to call my iPad [TS]

01:05:13   doubters but you know people who have just generally down on the iPad as I go [TS]

01:05:18   you want term replacement for the mag and productivity device who who want [TS]

01:05:26   more power user type features in iOS especially on the iPad may be compared [TS]

01:05:32   to the phone just cuz it's big enough that you could do stuff like nobody is [TS]

01:05:35   saying they want to upset the same time on the iPhone or at least nobody say I [TS]

01:05:41   just feel like those sort of people Glock just gloss over how confusing [TS]

01:05:45   computers in general are two 2 most people it's just if you understand it [TS]

01:05:51   and you never really find yourself confused or lost on Mac OS 10 you just [TS]

01:05:56   can't it's just so hard is the same people who think that widgets on and [TS]

01:06:00   writer the killer feature yeah yeah I just saw something this week on ZDNet [TS]

01:06:04   about how much more I didn't link to it as it was in one of the things they [TS]

01:06:08   don't want to draw attention to something I think I meant it on a CD Key [TS]

01:06:13   said look at how do you know how huge the usability advantage of and Raiders [TS]

01:06:18   vs iOS usability he called it and it was his his home screen on both devices and [TS]

01:06:27   he carries both wake for work for some reason android galaxy in iPhone and his [TS]

01:06:33   iPhone home screen of course is just a bunch of apps and is en route home [TS]

01:06:38   screen is a couple of apps and a bunch of widgets including a bunch of light a [TS]

01:06:42   home automation ones so that he can like you know but his garage door [TS]

01:06:46   changes thermostat and do all the stuff without ever entering a nap but do it [TS]

01:06:50   right from his Android home screen which is cool in a geeky way it's kinda you [TS]

01:06:57   know obviously makes him happy and maybe you know he's too fiddly yeah he's a [TS]

01:07:01   perfect example of the sort of person who truly is better served by Android [TS]

01:07:05   then I was that guy he tries too hard but calling it that is a years long [TS]

01:07:14   usability advantages I think stretching it I just feel like people are vastly [TS]

01:07:20   underestimate how big of a usability advantage for different people iOS has [TS]

01:07:24   in terms of never making people feel like they're lost what happens you're [TS]

01:07:29   into screen mode and you hit the home button what happened to both apps go [TS]

01:07:36   away and replaced with your home screen cuz that's what I would expect to happen [TS]

01:07:39   because whenever I hit the home button taken back to the safety of them back to [TS]

01:07:44   Ground Zero oil just a home screen full of apps was the perfect solution for [TS]

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01:10:21   2010 here's where I wanted to talk about talk about 100 so I don't have you [TS]

01:10:26   noticed as I tweeted a couple of times about it but a couple of weeks ago I [TS]

01:10:29   bought I bought a Firefox Firefox yeah ZTE open sea Firefox OS phone I saw it I [TS]

01:10:40   don't forget what side I was reading but it said that they started to sell it in [TS]

01:10:43   the us- on eBay eBay story does go there and $99 smartphone unlocked of course of [TS]

01:10:54   course it's so you just go there and you spend 99 bucks couple days later you get [TS]

01:11:01   you get your phone I guess I should write about entering fireball attempt to [TS]

01:11:06   get these things never end up writing about it but long story short not a good [TS]

01:11:12   darn be a widely know that is interesting is that they copied [TS]

01:11:23   conceptually and I don't mean this in a pejorative way at all I just mean in [TS]

01:11:29   terms of look there following years behind the footsteps of them you know [TS]

01:11:34   the modern smartphone which is a touchscreen device that more or less [TS]

01:11:40   runs something like a real computer operating system the post iPhone [TS]

01:11:46   smartphone right and one thing that they got right is there's only one button on [TS]

01:11:51   the front home but there's a button to turn it on it's got the exact same [TS]

01:11:56   buttons as the iPhone except it doesn't have a mute switch so there's an on off [TS]

01:12:00   switch at the top [TS]

01:12:02   just like the iPhone volume up volume down on the signed in on the front face [TS]

01:12:08   underneath the screen there's just a circle in that circle is the home button [TS]

01:12:12   and the home button does exactly what the home button on our funders as it [TS]

01:12:15   takes you to homescreen pulled out my cunt [TS]

01:12:19   21 cents I was actually I found myself very [TS]

01:12:27   for an iPhone user you you do is no way to get lost or confused it's it's very [TS]

01:12:30   very iPhone like in terms of what's the basic gist of how you use that I would [TS]

01:12:40   say and every other regarded as a pretty bad and I don't mean to just pop your [TS]

01:12:46   sim out and put it in you know what I get another i cant because my sim is a [TS]

01:12:50   Verizon SIM GSM phone so it doesn't work and I was I was going to go to tmobile [TS]

01:13:00   and just get buy a SIM card from them because I've been curious I've been [TS]

01:13:05   curious about t-mobile ever since it seems like they're the most inner after [TS]

01:13:08   that I would say the best carrier a non-us but they're the most interesting [TS]

01:13:12   character that they seem to have the best plans the most the best pricing and [TS]

01:13:18   a pretty cool you know did seem better did better company than Verizon or AT&T [TS]

01:13:23   albeit with a smaller network coverage but it's like 50 to star in the get one [TS]

01:13:30   for its like 50 bucks a month its prepaid you don't have to get on a [TS]

01:13:33   contractor but even 50 bucks felt like too much to waste on this we're at $1 [TS]

01:13:38   follow you know and I don't regret $200 I feel like it I got $100 worth of [TS]

01:13:43   curiosity answered and just using it at home on the WiFi network is more than [TS]

01:13:48   enough to satisfy my questions about it I don't feel I don't feel like the [TS]

01:13:52   ability to actually go out and use it outside the house right would answer [TS]

01:13:55   anything other than you know so I haven't been able to send any text [TS]

01:13:59   messages because i dont have a sim card in it and I haven't been able to place [TS]

01:14:03   an actual phone call but i i i don't like talking on the phone anyone who [TS]

01:14:07   does that [TS]

01:14:08   who uses the phony the phone and when I say that it's not good when I say that [TS]

01:14:14   it's not good I do not mean in comparison to its $700 iPhone private [TS]

01:14:19   s which is truly not a fair comparison a $99 unlocked phone to an iPhone 5s that [TS]

01:14:25   in line locked in a cell for seven or eight hundred dollars which is that [TS]

01:14:29   sound fair comparison I would say and I don't have it here so I can you know I [TS]

01:14:36   don't have one in the house but where nokia has been going on in our Nokia's [TS]

01:14:41   handset division is part of Microsoft and Motorola has been going on Android [TS]

01:14:47   in terms of lower-cost smartphones and I did see when I was out it built for the [TS]

01:14:53   Microsoft conference a month ago I saw at low end Nokia Windows Phone handset [TS]

01:15:01   that I think unlocked was I I could be wrong but it was $129.00 way better than [TS]

01:15:09   this device like you now and again not you know definitely not iPhone 5 55 °c [TS]

01:15:15   iPhone 5 anything caliber not even iphone4s caliber but pretty good like in [TS]

01:15:21   terms of things like frame rate and you know below to web page and slide your [TS]

01:15:26   thong around and had to keep up with your thumb and stuff like that pretty [TS]

01:15:29   good and I know Motorola has a new staff with model numbers but they have one [TS]

01:15:34   that's like $129 so they're not quite at the $99 price I paid for this but [TS]

01:15:39   hundred and twenty-nine the 99 is pretty fair comparison and this this phone has [TS]

01:15:44   got a lot of problems [TS]

01:15:48   video so when you shoot video on this phone its like 380 by like 240 pixels [TS]

01:15:54   which is really a pretty pretty low size and its fifteen frames per second so you [TS]

01:16:04   know i mean it's it's almost like it that's all they were able to to put in [TS]

01:16:08   here I almost forget it better than nothing but it's not much better than [TS]

01:16:12   that can you remember to remember that the original iPhone Video yeah that's [TS]

01:16:18   that I i I caught myself that can't be right and then they went back and looked [TS]

01:16:26   as I get that was right [TS]

01:16:28   but I do think I will bet that that was the sort of decision Apple made with the [TS]

01:16:33   original iPhone where they probably could have done something like shot [TS]

01:16:36   postage stamp sized fifteen frames per second video and they relate it be [TS]

01:16:41   better not even shoot video then offer video like that eventually there was a [TS]

01:16:45   nap network video come to the iPhone was it was it was a 3G 3G asked as the 3G [TS]

01:16:55   and 3G only has an even better processor break the 3G only added 3G and a new a [TS]

01:17:03   new case design but technically it wouldn't name didn't increase the CPUs [TS]

01:17:07   you know did increase the Ramdin increase the storage the one and only [TS]

01:17:11   technical difference other than the outside appearance between the original [TS]

01:17:15   iPhone and a 3G was 3G maybe there was a jailbreak app that added video to the [TS]

01:17:24   earlier ones cause I remember that there was one and I never i'd never installed [TS]

01:17:28   but by that point the cameras just really bad the video it's not just that [TS]

01:17:33   the viewers it really takes terrible terrible photographs and again I so with [TS]

01:17:41   the Nokia won the Nokias low-end $129 smartphone the only photos I got to take [TS]

01:17:47   I was in a room in Moscow knee where they had demo unit set up for media to [TS]

01:17:52   play with i mean but I could buy the Nokia as you know if anything if [TS]

01:17:59   anything I'll just a Buddhist higher there yeah yeah and from everything I've [TS]

01:18:03   read about it at a pretty big higher that he wasn't just the name and he [TS]

01:18:08   actually was largely you know play a big part in making their either one in 24 [TS]

01:18:13   2011 I mean thats marlys suggests that the two best companies that mobile [TS]

01:18:19   photography right now or apple and Nokia and it doesn't matter which one you [TS]

01:18:22   think is one in which ones too [TS]

01:18:23   you know they're just leading the way in terms of image quality and features and [TS]

01:18:28   stuff and this from from GTE is just feels like it's at least 10 years old [TS]

01:18:32   and it makes me wonder about Firefox in general I mean I was never really a [TS]

01:18:40   full-time Firefox user on desktop but it's just it's like a dead why are they [TS]

01:18:48   with it just feels to me like this is just a waste of time [TS]

01:18:50   their part I don't know I don't feel like they're they feel locked out [TS]

01:18:55   because these mobile platforms don't allow released iOS certainly doesn't [TS]

01:19:00   allow them to include their own rendering engine you know even chrome [TS]

01:19:05   doesn't get to Chrome for iOS doesn't use the Chrome rendering engine it's [TS]

01:19:10   just a chrome wrapper around the system's WebKit virgin you know if [TS]

01:19:15   you're a company like Mozilla that you know that the whole point of your [TS]

01:19:20   existence is to have your rendering engine out there [TS]

01:19:24   powering people surfing the web I could see why you would want a mobile [TS]

01:19:29   operating system of your own see you could do it but if this is how far [TS]

01:19:32   behind you are for its gonna be tough to get anybody to lie I just can't see why [TS]

01:19:36   anybody would buy it if you have the $99 to spend on it I just can't see why you [TS]

01:19:42   wouldn't save up to 30 and get a Motorola Android phone or get a Nokia [TS]

01:19:46   Windows 8 Phone when you get so much more and much more likely to get the [TS]

01:19:51   entrance well statistically more people would get the entrance yeah well they [TS]

01:19:55   would right now at least statistically although you know because you're buying [TS]

01:19:59   into a bear ecosystem right I just feel and I feel like the only other reason I [TS]

01:20:03   can think of them someone will buy this phone would be the politics of it you [TS]

01:20:07   know that you support the whole political angle of Mozilla open web and [TS]

01:20:15   etcetera etcetera but I just don't see how there's enough people out there that [TS]

01:20:18   it's statistically valid number of people looks like it erase my notebook [TS]

01:20:25   I had to load but there were written using that the notebook out on actual [TS]

01:20:33   phone and and it seems as though now they're gone it's a shame I can remember [TS]

01:20:39   a lot of them one of the big problems with this operating system is it does [TS]

01:20:44   not support selecting text to rate so there's no cut copy and so it's a lot [TS]

01:20:51   like it is and you know and there's you know i twittered about some of these [TS]

01:20:55   things and people you know who support you know you know we're fans of that I [TS]

01:21:01   guess you know try to call me a hypocrite for it that you know how is it [TS]

01:21:06   ok for Apple in 2007 when the iPhone was new and it's not ok now what it because [TS]

01:21:11   it's not 2007 anymore right it's you know the world moved on and other people [TS]

01:21:20   called me out the other way and when I said that it was unacceptable it was [TS]

01:21:25   acceptable for Apple them but it's unacceptable now he said no it was [TS]

01:21:28   unacceptable for Apple then to it used to drive me nuts but my point in them is [TS]

01:21:33   that no that was annoying then it was like an obvious shortcomings but it was [TS]

01:21:38   clearly acceptable because we were using in your even admitting that you still [TS]

01:21:42   used right we were frustrated by but we see you when I say it's unacceptable now [TS]

01:21:46   I mean I can't imagine why someone would buy this phone where they can't select [TS]

01:21:50   cut copy and paste win for about the same amount of money they could buy a [TS]

01:21:54   different one that does mean everything has to be taken in context right i mean [TS]

01:21:59   the context of 2007 was the iPhone was an amazing phone for the time even with [TS]

01:22:06   that people when we did put up with it with those shortcomings and I just can't [TS]

01:22:11   see why someone would put up with these now completed arrangement note I think [TS]

01:22:16   it's cause I'm and let the battery died I don't know [TS]

01:22:20   than likely you're saying about it you can't even the web browser which you [TS]

01:22:29   would think would be the one thing that might be good because it's you know [TS]

01:22:31   Firefox's own thing it's not good you can't do things like jumped like when [TS]

01:22:39   you scroll down you can't jump to the top [TS]

01:22:42   it doesn't have the iPhone thing where you just tapped out this bar across the [TS]

01:22:45   top but the only way to get to the interface to manage multiple tabs at the [TS]

01:22:51   top so if you scroll down on a web paging gonna switch to another tab that [TS]

01:22:55   open you have to sit there and click click click click click click click [TS]

01:22:58   click click click click click click click click click click click click and [TS]

01:23:01   and it doesn't really have a lot of inertia either so if it's a long enough [TS]

01:23:05   pages you've been reading I'm not exaggerating how many fiction need to [TS]

01:23:08   get to the top which is where the top management is and there's no bookmarks [TS]

01:23:18   therefore there is no bookmark let's and I used you know there's no book there [TS]

01:23:25   are no bookmarks now I can tell there's bookmarks I don't know how you how you [TS]

01:23:32   can you make them just our bookmarks here I just found it well let's just say [TS]

01:23:40   that the book my not intuitive no not intuitive the email client isn't too bad [TS]

01:23:50   it's got a decent IMAP client to usable at least but they just you know and it's [TS]

01:23:57   this whole [TS]

01:23:58   funderburk is a branded Thunderbirds know they owned by talk about them [TS]

01:24:03   anymore they call it it's just called email and in fact I think what's [TS]

01:24:07   interesting is they they spell it [TS]

01:24:09   E dash capital and to me it looks like and I you know god knows I love some [TS]

01:24:15   curmudgeonly grammar and spelling and stuff like that but the dashing email [TS]

01:24:20   feels kinda old timey bills will nineteen nineties [TS]

01:24:25   and having called marketplace which is like their app store but really it's [TS]

01:24:31   just sort of like a directory of mobile operated mobile-optimized websites and [TS]

01:24:37   when you create an app download an app out of one of these things it's really [TS]

01:24:41   just you know like when you on iOS like when you use the + button and save web [TS]

01:24:45   page as a nap and just you just lose the browser so that's like what the Twitter [TS]

01:24:51   app for this thing is the Twitter app is just a it seems a little bit different [TS]

01:24:56   than when you go to Twitter on an iPhone but not much I haven't done that in so [TS]

01:25:04   long and therefore though you can't do anything now you can't do anything like [TS]

01:25:08   have two different accounts anymore than you can have two accounts on you know [TS]

01:25:13   the Twitter website there's no account switching so it's just you know when you [TS]

01:25:19   use Twitter on this it's just the mobile Twitter website [TS]

01:25:23   remember that those days of using the mobile Major League Baseball site and [TS]

01:25:28   all those the website and mobile [TS]

01:25:31   well that's a lot like used in this mostly most of the right now because [TS]

01:25:38   they were better since they let it fester and so on the one hand there's [TS]

01:25:46   the web in what you call the web as a developer can mean different things to [TS]

01:25:50   different people wondering could just be using HTML CSS and Javascript to do the [TS]

01:25:57   actual layout and development of the app and webOS work that way right from palm [TS]

01:26:05   and later HP wraps were really just sort of like bundles that inside were [TS]

01:26:10   implemented using HTML CSS and Javascript and is something wrong with [TS]

01:26:13   that although there's some performance problems you have to overcome if you [TS]

01:26:19   want to be compared favorably to native code like Objective C running on iOS or [TS]

01:26:26   even the Java type byte code that you run on Android [TS]

01:26:31   but it could be overcome but what Firefox OS does really is just load [TS]

01:26:38   things you know actual web sites over the internet and save them and so a lot [TS]

01:26:43   of stuff stops working if you don't have an internet connection like there's [TS]

01:26:48   games they called this is games you can get but then if you don't have an [TS]

01:26:52   internet connection the games don't load because it can't connect to the server [TS]

01:26:54   anymore and it's not entirely cash locally and I just don't feel like [TS]

01:27:00   there's any you know I don't we haven't gotten to a place where it always having [TS]

01:27:07   an internet connection is a thing I thought you know what was the thinking [TS]

01:27:14   about you by the for similar reasons I want to find out what they have the [TS]

01:27:18   other said that you bought the Fire tablet right now have the Nexus 7 Nexus [TS]

01:27:24   7 ya heard someone got that great it was it was it was alright I mean it's you [TS]

01:27:37   know for anything in that case that the price is it was only you know this was a [TS]

01:27:44   couple years ago now and it was only 200 bucks gigabyte it was a better price [TS]

01:27:49   point that there wasn't an iPad available at that price point and you [TS]

01:27:54   know there's it's a system that has absent Android operating system so it [TS]

01:28:02   was ok but not a year into using and i ended up having battery problems and [TS]

01:28:10   then you know how to reset it recondition it to get it to the point [TS]

01:28:15   where I would really hold a charge for a good amount of time and then I one of [TS]

01:28:20   things I want to use it for was listening to music on my desk as I was [TS]

01:28:26   working and it was just there was a lot of bleed through in the device of sound [TS]

01:28:34   from other electronics the kind of promise of used to have been since like [TS]

01:28:38   we used to have those problems like I used to have to turn off that they want [TS]

01:28:44   to do a podcast for that kind of thing as too close to your laptop you'd get [TS]

01:28:48   weird back yeah and it wasn't it wasn't headphones the same had once they use of [TS]

01:28:55   my iPhone and everything else I don't get it with any other device so that the [TS]

01:29:03   thing about this Firefox found it has a four-point 20 inch screen I think the [TS]

01:29:08   aspect ratio is a little bit wider when you're holding a portrait than the [TS]

01:29:14   iPhone but roughly its roughly an iPhone sized device and they do find that [TS]

01:29:18   comfortable [TS]

01:29:19   don't find myself wishing that the screen bigger I don't know I feel like I [TS]

01:29:24   don't know going on and it's going to be a problem for me if the new iPhone is [TS]

01:29:30   bigger yeah I know I'll wait till I see it but I don't feel like I'm on the [TS]

01:29:40   other hand i guess im curious about it and it occurred to me when I was [TS]

01:29:43   thinking about how the buttons at the same as the iPhone except for the lack [TS]

01:29:46   of a mute switch but most phones don't have mute switches and eyeball who is [TS]

01:29:52   notoriously sort of minimalist on including hardware buttons you know I [TS]

01:29:57   love the mute switch on the iPhone [TS]

01:29:57   love the mute switch on the iPhone [TS]

01:30:00   I i dont like whenever I try out these other phones and you have to do it for [TS]

01:30:04   this one way to get into mute as you hold down the power button and instead [TS]

01:30:07   of as oda turn off the phone but you get a menu with four options turn off [TS]

01:30:13   airplane mode or turn it on silent incoming calls [TS]

01:30:18   restart power off and I think Android does the same thing where if you want to [TS]

01:30:21   be an Android phone that I had a while ago did what you wanted to turn off the [TS]

01:30:27   sound you hold down the power button wait for a menu to come up and then hit [TS]

01:30:31   I love that like you know at the start of my sons concert a couple weeks ago i [TS]

01:30:40   I didn't take my phone out of my pocket I just you know just toggle the hand and [TS]

01:30:44   toggle switch and I know it's not gonna make a sound I do the opposite and they [TS]

01:30:52   are almost always have it in me and only when I'm expecting a call that I want [TS]

01:30:57   you right turn [TS]

01:30:58   yeah I could do that too or just to double check it really is a lot of times [TS]

01:31:03   when I want to turn on mute it already is on you I thought you were gonna say [TS]

01:31:07   that you do the opposition when your son's school is going to a concert you [TS]

01:31:11   turn your phone up real life haha I gotta take this sorry that it's a 45 [TS]

01:31:19   minutes in the lobby during game please turn off a lot of I do the opposite yet [TS]

01:31:27   I gotta tell me when this silence one of my own mind up and I've set my ringtone [TS]

01:31:34   to an appropriate lyrics yet wrestled out of school program by some some [TS]

01:31:41   bouncers [TS]

01:31:43   now it seemed like a back in the fall it's in a few things people predicting [TS]

01:31:50   that Firefox OS was really gonna take off and change the playing field if they [TS]

01:31:58   had come out of this in 2009 [TS]

01:32:00   you know two years after the iPhone I would say maybe you know you know [TS]

01:32:05   because that's when do it was new to you like it was maybe a little bit ahead of [TS]

01:32:10   that but it was the end of 2008 when the first Android phone came out they TTC [TS]

01:32:17   TTC 1 forget what it was called that it was brown you know keyboard that came [TS]

01:32:25   out of the side and had a lot of problems and a lot of problems just like [TS]

01:32:29   this where you know it was like they were still growing how do you know [TS]

01:32:35   they'd started with the idea of an operating system that required a [TS]

01:32:38   keyboard and required and up down left rice device so if you wanted to select [TS]

01:32:42   text on that Android phone you had to use the rollerball you couldn't use your [TS]

01:32:45   finger on the touchscreen you had to go to the rollerball you know it just feels [TS]

01:32:52   like something from that era just it's just a long long time ago though since I [TS]

01:32:57   could have used a fan of any operating system you can even select text just [TS]

01:33:04   feels like the end it just makes me think that Mozilla as a whole is just [TS]

01:33:08   off in their own an echo chamber in terms of you know the politics of the [TS]

01:33:14   whole thing is the only reason keeping it afloat and and whatever remaining [TS]

01:33:20   traction or momentum I guess that they have of all the people who switched to [TS]

01:33:27   Firefox on Windows a decade ago [TS]

01:33:30   you know still giving them some revenue because they go up to the search bar in [TS]

01:33:34   search through Google and that they have a revenue-sharing deal with Google but [TS]

01:33:39   that's it all [TS]

01:33:40   you know have anything that's going on that gives them any value is ten years [TS]

01:33:45   old they're still nowhere in terms of actual mobile kinda sad but not [TS]

01:33:53   surprising but open but totally open john wants thanks for joining me I said [TS]

01:34:00   we call a show where she tell people to go to go to your very nice web very nice [TS]

01:34:04   website dotnet and your your podcast is called don't make me go back there we [TS]

01:34:12   should buy that you don't make me turn this turning this on me we turn this car [TS]

01:34:18   automobile over with on the freeway with turning this car around with John [TS]

01:34:25   Armstrong and Casey Casey less likely to about three days to get get kicked out [TS]

01:34:35   of school in a car accident [TS]

01:34:39   yeah I don't text and drive but I do turn my ringer up during the school play [TS]