The Incomparable

236: Lived Long and Prospered


00:00:00   the in tom parental number 236 februari [TS]

00:00:09   2015 welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:13   incomparable i'm your host Jason L this [TS]

00:00:15   is something that we didn't plan but we [TS]

00:00:17   record this on Friday februari 27 2015 [TS]

00:00:20   and woke up this morning or just as I [TS]

00:00:23   was sitting down to work this morning to [TS]

00:00:25   the news that Leonard Nimoy mr. Spock to [TS]

00:00:29   us all passed away today and you know it [TS]

00:00:34   took some time to process it and thought [TS]

00:00:35   maybe we could get some people together [TS]

00:00:37   and talk about him a little bit for a [TS]

00:00:39   special episode of the podcast and so [TS]

00:00:42   that is what you're listening to now [TS]

00:00:44   joining me to talk about it are my my [TS]

00:00:49   pals they're here with me now David [TS]

00:00:51   Laura hello i am I gotta say this is not [TS]

00:00:55   the way to bank episodes and get a hit [TS]

00:00:57   on episodes but we can do you know it [TS]

00:01:00   definitely was worth talking about your [TS]

00:01:03   cat rummaging through things now my cat [TS]

00:01:05   is ribbon cup caper [TS]

00:01:07   oh that's he's nesting he's nesting [TS]

00:01:10   ruiner of podcast the cats see lots of [TS]

00:01:13   p'kat just is kind enough to just poop [TS]

00:01:15   in the room that you singing quietly [TS]

00:01:18   also also with us [TS]

00:01:20   indian taco hi Andy I have a cat free [TS]

00:01:24   silence that is sometimes like a close [TS]

00:01:26   to him [TS]

00:01:27   that's interesting I I Lord is the sound [TS]

00:01:29   of no cats playing very soon always it's [TS]

00:01:33   actually it's not so much i have no cats [TS]

00:01:34   i have cat and no cat in opposite hands [TS]

00:01:37   at the same time one of them is dead and [TS]

00:01:39   is alive [TS]

00:01:40   yea indeed and also of course we're [TS]

00:01:43   talking about things really start Trek [TS]

00:01:44   Scott McNulty has has has pulled himself [TS]

00:01:47   out of his sickbed to join us hi Scott [TS]

00:01:50   well I wish it was a better topic kind [TS]

00:01:52   of a happier topic i should say but I'm [TS]

00:01:54   happy to be here so you know I don't [TS]

00:01:57   obviously we don't have a really really [TS]

00:01:59   plan here i am maybe a good place to [TS]

00:02:02   start would beat it for for everybody to [TS]

00:02:04   talk about what [TS]

00:02:07   you know what mr. Spock or Leonard Nimoy [TS]

00:02:10   or both meant to them i think that i [TS]

00:02:12   think that might be a nice way to to [TS]

00:02:14   remember him at least it's a start i'll [TS]

00:02:16   point out just going first my I can't [TS]

00:02:21   remember i said this in previous pockets [TS]

00:02:23   i can't remember life before Star Trek [TS]

00:02:24   and I was thinking about today I can't [TS]

00:02:26   remember life before knowing Star Trek [TS]

00:02:29   like you know like every episode cold I [TS]

00:02:32   I remember I can't remember seeing a [TS]

00:02:35   star trek episode and thinking oh I [TS]

00:02:37   don't know what happens in this one I [TS]

00:02:38   just have no memory of that this is it [TS]

00:02:41   was a fundamental part of my my [TS]

00:02:44   childhood and obviously mr. Spock was a [TS]

00:02:47   huge part of that and it's uh so on on [TS]

00:02:52   that level yeah it part of this is me [TS]

00:02:53   thinking back to my childhood and and [TS]

00:02:56   losing a person who was a very important [TS]

00:03:00   part of it because that was just it [TS]

00:03:02   affected me so much to have a dead star [TS]

00:03:05   trek and Kirk and Spock McCoy were just [TS]

00:03:07   they were friends they were they were [TS]

00:03:08   people I looked up to there were people [TS]

00:03:10   I model myself after on the on the [TS]

00:03:12   playground right i mean it pretty pretty [TS]

00:03:15   dramatic and then through the years [TS]

00:03:16   through the the Star Trek films when I [TS]

00:03:17   was a teenager and you know through his [TS]

00:03:20   appearances in various things even as [TS]

00:03:24   recently as a couple years ago just [TS]

00:03:27   somebody that I I thought we could talk [TS]

00:03:29   about this a little more later I got [TS]

00:03:31   handled the fact that he was going to be [TS]

00:03:34   he had a great luck of being attached to [TS]

00:03:37   this amazing character and as an actor I [TS]

00:03:39   think the misfortune in a way of being [TS]

00:03:42   attached to such as an indelible [TS]

00:03:43   character and yet I think he wore it [TS]

00:03:45   well and embraced the fact that he was [TS]

00:03:49   going to be associated with this [TS]

00:03:51   character and of all the characters to [TS]

00:03:53   be associated with pretty good one so [TS]

00:03:55   but definitely I'm definitely an [TS]

00:03:57   emotional moment this morning in hearing [TS]

00:03:59   I mean we heard that he had been taken [TS]

00:04:00   to the hospital and and not a lot more [TS]

00:04:02   after that my thought that's you know [TS]

00:04:04   that's and I've been there I've been my [TS]

00:04:06   father was a born the same year is [TS]

00:04:08   Leonard Nimoy only a couple months [TS]

00:04:09   earlier and had COPD just like Leonard [TS]

00:04:12   Nimoy and that that earlier this week [TS]

00:04:15   when we heard the story that he had been [TS]

00:04:16   taking the hospital I had that moment of [TS]

00:04:17   like I this I know what's going to [TS]

00:04:20   happen [TS]

00:04:21   I that I've been in that place where his [TS]

00:04:22   family was and so still very sad to [TS]

00:04:24   receive the news [TS]

00:04:26   Scott what about you with you what's [TS]

00:04:28   your what's your story of how you [TS]

00:04:30   discovered in and and and interacted [TS]

00:04:34   with monday morning mr. Spock out well I [TS]

00:04:37   i think he was around before i [TS]

00:04:38   discovered him but uh huh well not a [TS]

00:04:41   talent scout with the time machine [TS]

00:04:43   clearly and using this tool kit Lenny [TS]

00:04:45   from Boston he's going places you go and [TS]

00:04:47   places kid it's easier that don't ask [TS]

00:04:49   any questions [TS]

00:04:50   well I've been just like you I think [TS]

00:04:52   Jason we've talked about this before i [TS]

00:04:54   also don't remember a time in my life [TS]

00:04:57   where I wasn't a Star Trek fan and I was [TS]

00:05:00   asking my mom about this couple weeks [TS]

00:05:01   ago and she said well you're always [TS]

00:05:03   watching Star Trek I don't know when you [TS]

00:05:05   started but she wasn't a Star Trek fan [TS]

00:05:07   so I think it was just you know in [TS]

00:05:09   syndication forever probably on channel [TS]

00:05:12   11 in New York and I would watch it over [TS]

00:05:14   and over again and of course I mean you [TS]

00:05:16   know Spock is kirk and spock right they [TS]

00:05:20   have this great friendship Spock plays [TS]

00:05:23   this kind of outsider that probably [TS]

00:05:26   appeals to many people move fine and [TS]

00:05:28   affiliation with startrack I can paint [TS]

00:05:30   with a broad broad but brush and say [TS]

00:05:33   that maybe some of the fans of structure [TS]

00:05:35   our little nerdy and maybe feel slightly [TS]

00:05:37   outcast especially in you know grammar [TS]

00:05:41   school and and that kind of thing and [TS]

00:05:43   you find this character Spock who has a [TS]

00:05:46   you know he isn't unlike everybody else [TS]

00:05:49   in the bridge but he is still respected [TS]

00:05:53   and get this job done and so I mean it i [TS]

00:05:56   think that that is part of the reason [TS]

00:05:58   that Spock so popular [TS]

00:06:00   and and why he appealed to me so much I [TS]

00:06:03   don't know if Spock is my my favorite [TS]

00:06:05   certain character but certainly he's [TS]

00:06:07   near the top [TS]

00:06:08   Andy about you I wasn't as a kid I [TS]

00:06:11   wasn't a huge Star Trek fan but I was [TS]

00:06:14   definitely a spark fan if that makes [TS]

00:06:17   sense it was whenever I was watching [TS]

00:06:19   that show it was always to see Leonard [TS]

00:06:21   Nimoy seen Senate and I think it's [TS]

00:06:23   because of its later in life when you're [TS]

00:06:26   an adult you have a little bit of a [TS]

00:06:28   wider awareness of how TV and how movies [TS]

00:06:32   work you really appreciate why your [TS]

00:06:34   attention is drawn to Nimoy because [TS]

00:06:36   you've got that you've got the [TS]

00:06:38   triumvirate of Spock McCoy and kirk and [TS]

00:06:41   Kirk is being that is being Shatner and [TS]

00:06:45   microrna has fortunes or injury and [TS]

00:06:47   white dress and Spock is the button [TS]

00:06:49   who's quiet and they have to do they [TS]

00:06:51   have to build his levels up but always [TS]

00:06:53   pause a little bit he will react [TS]

00:06:55   sometimes not by saying anything but [TS]

00:06:57   simply giving a glancing an eyebrow [TS]

00:06:59   eyebrow because that's all you need to [TS]

00:07:02   do sometimes and he really was for me [TS]

00:07:05   like the anchor that entire show and [TS]

00:07:07   everything that else has been said is I [TS]

00:07:09   was completely because you're sort of [TS]

00:07:11   gravity you sort of gravitate toward [TS]

00:07:12   these people you identify the the one in [TS]

00:07:15   any group that is not like all the [TS]

00:07:17   others and the ones who can not only is [TS]

00:07:20   it doesn't have to pretend to be like [TS]

00:07:22   the rest i can even openly say I will [TS]

00:07:25   never understand you people ever [TS]

00:07:27   there's a i wish i wish i could [TS]

00:07:29   understand why you behave the way you do [TS]

00:07:31   I don't and but I'm still going to work [TS]

00:07:33   with you i'm still going to call you my [TS]

00:07:34   friends but let's acknowledge that [TS]

00:07:35   there's that there's there's there's [TS]

00:07:37   parts of these puzzles that I will never [TS]

00:07:39   ever figure out and here's somebody on [TS]

00:07:41   TV aleve roll into on TV say that [TS]

00:07:44   explicitly for a lot of for a lot of [TS]

00:07:47   people who are fans of Star Trek myself [TS]

00:07:49   included really that you really can [TS]

00:07:52   gravitate towards that character David [TS]

00:07:54   whereby you [TS]

00:07:54   yeah i'm right with the I can't remember [TS]

00:07:57   a time before ya before Star Trek you [TS]

00:08:01   know I had the action figures when I was [TS]

00:08:03   three or four whatever and that i would [TS]

00:08:06   i would make up my own stories with the [TS]

00:08:09   enterprise playset and I made up my own [TS]

00:08:11   it came with cards [TS]

00:08:13   for the viewscreen right you had three [TS]

00:08:15   cards with two pictures one on each side [TS]

00:08:17   and you can hang them up on the view [TS]

00:08:18   screen and make your adventures I would [TS]

00:08:20   make my own cards so I had 30 cause I'm [TS]

00:08:24   all these adventures and you know that [TS]

00:08:28   was that's that's the earliest i can [TS]

00:08:31   remember making original stories you [TS]

00:08:34   know I mean I came to New i was going to [TS]

00:08:36   be a writer [TS]

00:08:37   anyway but that when i think back you [TS]

00:08:39   know what's the earliest thing I [TS]

00:08:40   remember writing that was it and I read [TS]

00:08:44   a really really good piece today by [TS]

00:08:46   Jamie weinman from Maclean's magazine in [TS]

00:08:49   canada and he said that there was just [TS]

00:08:53   something about Spock and something [TS]

00:08:56   about what Nimoy imbued spoke with that [TS]

00:09:00   wasn't on the page it wasn't in [TS]

00:09:02   Roddenberry's original version you know [TS]

00:09:04   it wasn't this red-skinned Martian with [TS]

00:09:06   a hot temper like the original concept [TS]

00:09:09   or or you know and and really any of the [TS]

00:09:11   original pilot right by the women and [TS]

00:09:14   women and there's just something about [TS]

00:09:17   whatever it was that he brought to the [TS]

00:09:20   character and and made it his own that [TS]

00:09:23   we on the outside wanted to write [TS]

00:09:26   fanfiction we wanted to to uncover the [TS]

00:09:30   rest of his story we wanted him and Kirk [TS]

00:09:32   to be more than just friends perhaps [TS]

00:09:35   depending on the fedex and writers don't [TS]

00:09:38   want that and you know I can't think of [TS]

00:09:41   a mean you can you can look back it [TS]

00:09:43   famous teams right you know the Lone [TS]

00:09:47   Ranger and Tonto and Holmes and Watson [TS]

00:09:48   but i cannot always really equal the way [TS]

00:09:53   Kirk and Spock are and they don't always [TS]

00:09:55   have a third like McCoy I was always [TS]

00:09:57   thought of them as as as the three right [TS]

00:10:00   I can't quite it's the balance isn't [TS]

00:10:02   right without any one of those three and [TS]

00:10:06   but but there's just something about [TS]

00:10:08   them that inspired this kind of [TS]

00:10:12   outpouring of fan fiction and this you [TS]

00:10:15   know the letter-writing campaigns and [TS]

00:10:16   the conventions in the syndication and [TS]

00:10:18   and imagine the serendipity of that you [TS]

00:10:21   know if if they had cast martin landau [TS]

00:10:23   as Spock he would have been really good [TS]

00:10:26   sure cuz he's Martin Landau what would [TS]

00:10:28   have been the same women who've you know [TS]

00:10:31   there's just something about the alchemy [TS]

00:10:33   of those three actors in those three [TS]

00:10:35   roles that sparked something and we all [TS]

00:10:39   wanted to tell stories with them so I i [TS]

00:10:41   just read the volume one of these are [TS]

00:10:44   the voyages which I know Scott is red [TS]

00:10:46   but i have not read i do you buy here [TS]

00:10:48   Scott has it and you should read it and [TS]

00:10:50   because it's good i've bought it now [TS]

00:10:51   mark Cushman's book that is again I [TS]

00:10:55   hesitated to read these books because I [TS]

00:10:57   thought that they would be you know sort [TS]

00:10:58   of fannish like behind the scenes of [TS]

00:11:01   crazy things that happened on Star Trek [TS]

00:11:02   and they're not these are I think these [TS]

00:11:05   are gonna end up being the source [TS]

00:11:06   material like these are well-researched [TS]

00:11:08   history with is it history books about [TS]

00:11:12   star trek with lots of great tidbits but [TS]

00:11:14   it really is not it is unflinching about [TS]

00:11:17   the details and it is absolutely true [TS]

00:11:20   that Spock was a character that started [TS]

00:11:24   as a sketch by Gene Roddenberry this [TS]

00:11:26   half Martian Redskin character that [TS]

00:11:28   ended up being for various reasons [TS]

00:11:29   including just the way that color played [TS]

00:11:32   on black and white TVs ended up having [TS]

00:11:35   the complexion that he had and having [TS]

00:11:37   that in a collaboration between [TS]

00:11:38   Roddenberry and Leonard Nimoy and [TS]

00:11:43   Leonard Nimoy and the various directors [TS]

00:11:45   like that the spotting neck pinch came [TS]

00:11:47   and I believable the Vulcan hand salute [TS]

00:11:50   came from expediency while shooting [TS]

00:11:53   scenes they were at endlessly behind and [TS]

00:11:56   stand leonard nimoy said I don't need to [TS]

00:11:58   punch this guy don't think pot Spock [TS]

00:12:00   would punch him he would just like to a [TS]

00:12:01   little alien thing and they invented the [TS]

00:12:03   famous Spock neck pinch from that and [TS]

00:12:07   then Dorothy Fontana who is a fantastic [TS]

00:12:11   star of these books because you you [TS]

00:12:14   discovered what what the fortitude she [TS]

00:12:15   must have had to go from being thought [TS]

00:12:18   of as gene roddenberry secretary to [TS]

00:12:20   essentially being the best writer on the [TS]

00:12:23   series and the responsible for so much [TS]

00:12:25   of it you know she she invented lots of [TS]

00:12:28   Vulcan stuff too so this character built [TS]

00:12:31   over time but what's also fascinating [TS]

00:12:33   that's a very spot word fascinating is [TS]

00:12:36   that it was clear from the very [TS]

00:12:39   beginning [TS]

00:12:40   and you know there's a lot of stories [TS]

00:12:42   about some NBC executives and get rid of [TS]

00:12:44   the guy with the years but the executive [TS]

00:12:45   who worked with Desilu on the first [TS]

00:12:47   season of of of star trek from the start [TS]

00:12:50   was saying oh you got it you got to give [TS]

00:12:53   me more spot to use a line from a doctor [TS]

00:12:55   who episode give me more spot because it [TS]

00:12:58   was just clear that this character was [TS]

00:13:00   different and interesting and I think [TS]

00:13:03   David that dynamic of the eventually the [TS]

00:13:06   trio because they they went through [TS]

00:13:07   several episodes before they they [TS]

00:13:09   brought in deforest kelley that that was [TS]

00:13:13   the thing that made this character made [TS]

00:13:18   the show work was like Spock Spock added [TS]

00:13:21   something to a traditional action hero [TS]

00:13:24   and maybe his traditional sort of [TS]

00:13:25   confidant that was not something we had [TS]

00:13:28   seen before and it really was the magic [TS]

00:13:30   that made that thing work [TS]

00:13:31   oh yeah and and very few things have [TS]

00:13:34   been able to duplicate that even just [TS]

00:13:36   the the template of it you know I i was [TS]

00:13:39   thinking about the man from uncle [TS]

00:13:40   earlier today and thinking about you [TS]

00:13:43   know okay here again is here your [TS]

00:13:45   conflict between the American spy in the [TS]

00:13:46   Russian spy and they they butt heads [TS]

00:13:48   sometimes but they're they're a team and [TS]

00:13:50   they work together and and they're [TS]

00:13:52   probably gonna draw that out more in the [TS]

00:13:54   new movie based on the trailer but it's [TS]

00:13:57   still not quite the same you you never [TS]

00:13:59   saw Napoleon solo and Illya Kuryakin [TS]

00:14:01   argue about tactics and argue about [TS]

00:14:04   morality the way you saw Kirk and Spock [TS]

00:14:07   you didn't see that in in light action [TS]

00:14:09   shows in the sixties and i remember when [TS]

00:14:13   i when i started paying attention meet [TS]

00:14:15   again I always you know i'm just like [TS]

00:14:18   you i had the the there's never been a [TS]

00:14:20   time where I went [TS]

00:14:21   hey I don't know this episode right [TS]

00:14:23   except with the animated show maybe and [TS]

00:14:25   even then it's more that I've forgotten [TS]

00:14:27   them instead of seeing them over and [TS]

00:14:29   over again every year but i remember [TS]

00:14:32   when i started paying attention to [TS]

00:14:33   things like credits and writing credits [TS]

00:14:36   and cast credits and and being very [TS]

00:14:39   confused that the first season DeForest [TS]

00:14:41   Kelley isn't in the opening credits [TS]

00:14:43   right it's just shatter Nimoy and that [TS]

00:14:45   just seemed wrong [TS]

00:14:47   so yeah they're the it's amazing how [TS]

00:14:52   that came together a triumvirate I mean [TS]

00:14:54   you could argue i mean some of some of [TS]

00:14:56   this is is that time for it was was the [TS]

00:14:59   magic the magic sauce the secret sauce [TS]

00:15:02   and and even in DJ movies you can see [TS]

00:15:04   with different actors like boy that is a [TS]

00:15:06   powerful set of characters and having [TS]

00:15:08   them the way they complement and [TS]

00:15:10   critique one another is really powerful [TS]

00:15:12   great regardless of who's playing them [TS]

00:15:15   but you know that doesn't give enough [TS]

00:15:16   credit to the fact that Spock as we have [TS]

00:15:19   as we see him is a product of leonard [TS]

00:15:22   nimoy and Dorothy Fontana and Gene [TS]

00:15:25   Roddenberry and gene kuhn and a bunch of [TS]

00:15:27   other people who made the original Star [TS]

00:15:30   Trek um I wanted to talk a little bit [TS]

00:15:34   about how the other reasons why we why [TS]

00:15:39   why do we find Spock so iconic because [TS]

00:15:41   this is one of those things that this is [TS]

00:15:42   a show that's been that Air 249 almost [TS]

00:15:46   coming up 50 49 years ago and I'm to [TS]

00:15:50   this day I in some ways even with all [TS]

00:15:54   the series of the past in the meantime [TS]

00:15:56   of startrack mr. Spock there's just [TS]

00:15:59   something about mr. Spock that that Star [TS]

00:16:01   Trek is mr. Spock in some ways like if [TS]

00:16:03   you had to boil it down to one thing it [TS]

00:16:05   would be a picture mr. Spock probably [TS]

00:16:07   from a mock time giving the Vulcan hand [TS]

00:16:09   gesture that would kind of be the [TS]

00:16:10   boiling down of star trek to one thing [TS]

00:16:12   why is that Scott you know why why why [TS]

00:16:16   does it come back to Spock [TS]

00:16:18   well i think a lot of credit goes to let [TS]

00:16:20   Nimoy and his performance but also if [TS]

00:16:23   you think about it Spock has a lot of [TS]

00:16:24   catch phrases and things that are easy [TS]

00:16:26   to replicate right you can do a little [TS]

00:16:28   the hand sign you can say live long and [TS]

00:16:31   prosper a pass and you have a [TS]

00:16:33   fascinating interests of the eyebrow [TS]

00:16:36   lift right so there's a lot of ideas and [TS]

00:16:40   I learned to do that because i wanted to [TS]

00:16:42   do that like mr. spot [TS]

00:16:43   see there you know I think that's part [TS]

00:16:45   of me that's not the only reason I think [TS]

00:16:47   that's part of what makes the character [TS]

00:16:48   so attractive if you want to pretend try [TS]

00:16:51   to pretend that you are someone on the [TS]

00:16:54   enterprise [TS]

00:16:55   I guess you could like punch someone and [TS]

00:16:57   pretend you're camping with the OEM [TS]

00:16:58   together [TS]

00:16:59   and hit him in the back do that back [TS]

00:17:01   exactly where you live long and prosper [TS]

00:17:02   right reasons Scottish accent but that's [TS]

00:17:05   hard it is hard so yeah I mean yeah I [TS]

00:17:10   think I think that's true he is I think [TS]

00:17:12   that's why when I say why is spike Spock [TS]

00:17:14   so iconic that is one of the reasons [TS]

00:17:16   right is that he has things he says and [TS]

00:17:18   that nobody else says he's got the ears [TS]

00:17:19   and he's got the raised eyebrow and all [TS]

00:17:22   of these things that that were this [TS]

00:17:24   collaboration from all those people [TS]

00:17:26   it is also interesting and Scott since [TS]

00:17:29   you take these voyages every week with [TS]

00:17:31   random track every star trek show I feel [TS]

00:17:33   like has a spot like like that was the [TS]

00:17:35   one thing that that was very clear is [TS]

00:17:38   say what you will about the feature the [TS]

00:17:40   the future star trek series every single [TS]

00:17:43   one of them has at least one spot figure [TS]

00:17:45   you can't have a star trek without an [TS]

00:17:48   outsider who is intrigued by the human [TS]

00:17:51   condition [TS]

00:17:52   you can't write because that lets the [TS]

00:17:53   writers you know kind of telegraph [TS]

00:17:56   things about the human condition and [TS]

00:17:57   makes an easy hook for them to you know [TS]

00:18:00   have a character react to the wacky [TS]

00:18:02   things these humans are doing what I my [TS]

00:18:05   theory about why Spock indoors where I [TS]

00:18:08   mean data and odo and warfare wonderful [TS]

00:18:11   and I love them too but you know when to [TS]

00:18:16   call when Tuvok and seven behind all the [TS]

00:18:19   other spot care is further out but LOL [TS]

00:18:21   the other Vulcans are just doing their [TS]

00:18:23   just rights back [TS]

00:18:24   yeah that's right that's right but it [TS]

00:18:26   but yeah it's sort of like we don't have [TS]

00:18:28   androids we don't have Klingons we don't [TS]

00:18:30   have shapeshifters but except for the [TS]

00:18:33   ears spot could pass for human right [TS]

00:18:36   right we know people like Spock [TS]

00:18:39   yeah he's really know people like data [TS]

00:18:40   and at o2 but they look to alien to us [TS]

00:18:44   but spock he just puts on a stocking cap [TS]

00:18:47   and and if anyone notices they go oh it [TS]

00:18:50   was a race parent or a headband made [TS]

00:18:52   from ripping off part of a robe in Star [TS]

00:18:55   Trek for which is also hard to do [TS]

00:18:57   thank you to our friends at mail route [TS]

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00:19:46   once a month I see something in there [TS]

00:19:48   that might be real [TS]

00:19:49   generally it's a just an opportunity for [TS]

00:19:51   me to laugh at the crazy spam messages [TS]

00:19:54   that I'm no longer seeing just by the [TS]

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00:20:51   to our friends at me around for [TS]

00:20:52   sponsoring and supporting being [TS]

00:20:54   comparable let's also not forget that [TS]

00:20:56   the show gave Spock the dignity of [TS]

00:20:59   private identity that data has spent [TS]

00:21:03   almost the entire series say i don't [TS]

00:21:05   want to be an android I want to be a [TS]

00:21:06   human not going to put myself in danger [TS]

00:21:08   and willing to destabilize myself [TS]

00:21:10   because I must must must be more human [TS]

00:21:12   as opposed to just being Who I am and [TS]

00:21:15   there's just something so powerful and [TS]

00:21:17   so [TS]

00:21:18   I want to say mesmerizing but once it [TS]

00:21:21   that so magnetic about the person who is [TS]

00:21:24   clearly very confident who they are very [TS]

00:21:26   pleased with who they are willing to is [TS]

00:21:28   willing to participate in a world that [TS]

00:21:30   don't belong in but i don't have to be [TS]

00:21:33   anything other than a volcom I'll of [TS]

00:21:35   data but data story is one of somebody [TS]

00:21:38   who wants to assimilate yes not in the [TS]

00:21:41   board way i should say we're talking [TS]

00:21:43   about Star Trek but but Spock Spock [TS]

00:21:46   doesn't want to do that right Spock and [TS]

00:21:48   I know that he's been a a source of of [TS]

00:21:52   of pride and and somebody that people [TS]

00:21:55   have looked to as a as a as an important [TS]

00:21:58   figure because he's an outsider but also [TS]

00:22:02   spoke is proud of who he is and although [TS]

00:22:04   it's problematic and he has this great [TS]

00:22:07   tension between his humanity and his [TS]

00:22:09   Vulcan pneus Spock is not trying to be [TS]

00:22:13   human i mean sometimes trying to be [TS]

00:22:14   Vulcan which is interesting from the [TS]

00:22:16   perspective of of us humans that he's [TS]

00:22:18   trying to reject the parts of him who r [TS]

00:22:20   us but that's a very different [TS]

00:22:22   combination of traits than something [TS]

00:22:25   like data who really desperately is so [TS]

00:22:27   eager to please to be I'm gonna good Joe [TS]

00:22:30   Piscopo to teach me how to tell jokes [TS]

00:22:31   and Spock you know spot does we want to [TS]

00:22:35   see and be human and he does not want to [TS]

00:22:37   do it and I I think that's part of the [TS]

00:22:39   magic of it right there there's that [TS]

00:22:41   tension that we want to see him break we [TS]

00:22:43   we love that moment in this side of [TS]

00:22:46   paradise where he's laughing he's [TS]

00:22:48   laughing that's not spot yeah but it is [TS]

00:22:51   Spock right [TS]

00:22:53   the other thing is almost all of them [TS]

00:22:56   except for Spock they're all justifying [TS]

00:22:59   their existence we're trying to figure [TS]

00:23:01   out who they are right [TS]

00:23:02   oh doesn't know where he comes from at [TS]

00:23:04   the bit at the beginning of deep space [TS]

00:23:05   nine right data has to prove that he's [TS]

00:23:08   worth that that he's not just a robot is [TS]

00:23:11   a court case and back and in the course [TS]

00:23:12   of sites and president of you know seven [TS]

00:23:16   of nine has to reclaim her humanity and [TS]

00:23:19   and discover who she was and recover [TS]

00:23:21   those memories where spot knows who he [TS]

00:23:23   is and that's just who he is and you [TS]

00:23:26   have to deal with it but he still has [TS]

00:23:27   that struggle of [TS]

00:23:29   if his human half and his woman that [TS]

00:23:30   right and yeah like I was saying he's [TS]

00:23:32   gonna projected his human half and he's [TS]

00:23:34   much like Worf right Worf raised by [TS]

00:23:36   humans and then he his reaction is I'm [TS]

00:23:38   going to be super Klingon of and [TS]

00:23:41   embossed germs and yea right assist yeah [TS]

00:23:44   that started with Spock being you know [TS]

00:23:46   I'm half human but i'm going to be a [TS]

00:23:47   super volcano going to be the most [TS]

00:23:48   Vulcan Vulcan that you can Vulcan [TS]

00:23:50   because i'm gonna show these people i [TS]

00:23:53   was reading am Star Trek fan club scan [TS]

00:23:56   that somebody put it put post on Twitter [TS]

00:23:59   day that was written by a girl who is a [TS]

00:24:03   red eye black parent a white parent and [TS]

00:24:06   was saying you know I feel like I [TS]

00:24:08   understand [TS]

00:24:09   Spock's the xbox situation and on one [TS]

00:24:13   level again this is the one of the great [TS]

00:24:15   appeals of Spock is that he is an [TS]

00:24:17   outsider and if you feel outside of [TS]

00:24:19   society in anyway whether it's because [TS]

00:24:22   you're a geek kind of person or whether [TS]

00:24:23   because it's something much more [TS]

00:24:25   complicated and difficult than that in [TS]

00:24:27   you know late sixties America especially [TS]

00:24:29   but you know forever [TS]

00:24:31   this is this is a character who can [TS]

00:24:33   appeal to you but what really struck me [TS]

00:24:35   about is the way he described and this [TS]

00:24:38   is just Leonard Nimoy sort of with his [TS]

00:24:40   own internal backstory about what [TS]

00:24:41   motivates Spock saying that when Spock [TS]

00:24:44   was a child you know growing up on [TS]

00:24:46   Vulcan hehe dealt with those same issues [TS]

00:24:48   and I thought that was fascinating [TS]

00:24:49   because those those scenes are in JJ [TS]

00:24:53   Abrams Star Trek we see young spock [TS]

00:24:56   being really brutally mistreated by [TS]

00:25:01   other Vulcans because he's not a real [TS]

00:25:02   Vulcan and that has led me to a greater [TS]

00:25:06   appreciation of that character actually [TS]

00:25:07   but I was shocked to find that it's all [TS]

00:25:10   there in Leonard Nimoy's assumptions [TS]

00:25:12   about who Spock is in the sixties that [TS]

00:25:16   he was horribly treated by the other [TS]

00:25:19   Vulcans when he was a kid and then it's [TS]

00:25:20   and then to see it writ large in the JJ [TS]

00:25:23   movie really made me appreciate that I [TS]

00:25:25   think that JJ Abrams Star Trek goes [TS]

00:25:26   along it it i mean that's a movie about [TS]

00:25:29   Spock that isn't the smoke is that you [TS]

00:25:31   could argue that Zachary Quinto Spock in [TS]

00:25:33   that structure movie is the main [TS]

00:25:34   character and if you throw in Leonard [TS]

00:25:36   Nimoy on top of it it's really a movie [TS]

00:25:38   about Spock and how [TS]

00:25:39   you know finding Kirk helps set him on [TS]

00:25:42   the right course and but it does a lot [TS]

00:25:45   for Spock character which i think is [TS]

00:25:46   unexpected [TS]

00:25:47   I didn't expect well and and some of [TS]

00:25:49   that is in the yesteryear Animated [TS]

00:25:52   episode by DC from santa ana which you [TS]

00:25:55   know is this box childhood and again [TS]

00:25:57   mockery and wanting to run away and [TS]

00:26:00   which is a wonderful I mean there are [TS]

00:26:03   some good episodes of the animated show [TS]

00:26:05   that's the only 1i would put up with the [TS]

00:26:06   rest and I think everybody with would [TS]

00:26:08   say that that's like will count [TS]

00:26:11   Scott you can you can put that one in [TS]

00:26:12   your spreadsheet friend req just out i [TS]

00:26:15   will do it now [TS]

00:26:16   no I don't stick to the rolling plains [TS]

00:26:19   yeah slippery sits good slippery's um [TS]

00:26:23   let's see what else did I want to talk [TS]

00:26:25   about and we should talk about what we [TS]

00:26:26   talked about the the original series a [TS]

00:26:29   lot i'd like to talk a little bit about [TS]

00:26:31   the the movies it's a obviously Clemens [TS]

00:26:35   had a fraught relationship I think he [TS]

00:26:37   came to terms with it after a long time [TS]

00:26:39   but of course obviously in the seventies [TS]

00:26:40   he wrote I'm not Spock he tried to [TS]

00:26:44   distance himself from the part my [TS]

00:26:46   understanding is that he was he refused [TS]

00:26:48   to be in the phase two series they were [TS]

00:26:51   going to do in the seventies and the guy [TS]

00:26:54   who the Vulcan who dies in the horrible [TS]

00:26:56   transporter accident Star Trek the [TS]

00:26:58   motion picture is essentially the [TS]

00:26:59   character that would have been the spock [TS]

00:27:01   replacement if that had been a series [TS]

00:27:03   but since it was a movie and Leonard [TS]

00:27:06   Nimoy agreed to be in it then they wrote [TS]

00:27:08   Spock back into it but you know and then [TS]

00:27:10   he told him to kill him and star trek to [TS]

00:27:11   which is funny because then he obviously [TS]

00:27:13   thought better of it after surgery to [TS]

00:27:15   was so good but it does lead to some of [TS]

00:27:18   the most amazing i mean if we didn't [TS]

00:27:20   appreciate Spock from the original [TS]

00:27:22   series i think we would appreciate Spock [TS]

00:27:23   from Star Trek to he is the captain of [TS]

00:27:25   the enterprise he gives up his seat he [TS]

00:27:28   makes the supreme sacrifice at the end [TS]

00:27:30   the movie in order to save the crew and [TS]

00:27:33   in doing so yeah he's serving Captain [TS]

00:27:35   Kirk's character arc of being sort of [TS]

00:27:38   accepting of his own mortality but it at [TS]

00:27:41   that that movie i mean i remember [TS]

00:27:43   sobbing in the movie uncontrollably in [TS]

00:27:45   the movie theater when I saw Star Trek [TS]

00:27:47   I've never done that in any movie ever [TS]

00:27:50   other than now [TS]

00:27:50   1m so that lends to the legend I think [TS]

00:27:54   too that the search for 24 all the fact [TS]

00:27:56   that supposed to be about Kirk accepting [TS]

00:27:59   mortality it is it is also you know it [TS]

00:28:01   is Spock and Spock giving into it [TS]

00:28:05   well they're so intertwined yeah you [TS]

00:28:08   know everything that I i saw a couple [TS]

00:28:11   people mentioned this earlier and yeah [TS]

00:28:13   arguably i would say yeah it that scene [TS]

00:28:17   that that for you know just the last 15 [TS]

00:28:19   minutes of that is maybe the best acting [TS]

00:28:22   certainly Shatner but maybe even in way [TS]

00:28:25   ever did I mean it's just beautiful and [TS]

00:28:29   a big part of that is the richness and [TS]

00:28:31   depth of of the history of the [TS]

00:28:33   characters right I I had I would have to [TS]

00:28:37   but I i enjoyed that seen what I like [TS]

00:28:40   more though and in terms of good the [TS]

00:28:43   best spot quick acted scenes I've [TS]

00:28:47   actually has kept going to the Abrams [TS]

00:28:49   reboot where you have Spock there's [TS]

00:28:51   nothing really dramatic about it seems [TS]

00:28:53   like if you're playing a death scene you [TS]

00:28:55   know that you got a whole lot of protein [TS]

00:28:57   to work with you know that you can [TS]

00:28:59   really it's a fat pitch right down the [TS]

00:29:02   middle it's going over the outside the [TS]

00:29:04   stadium all if you want to swing it that [TS]

00:29:05   way [TS]

00:29:05   this is scenes though in the reboot I [TS]

00:29:08   just love the scene of an elderly [TS]

00:29:10   elderly elderly Spock giving advice to [TS]

00:29:13   himself as a young person's in innocence [TS]

00:29:16   and saying that really the most of the [TS]

00:29:18   most valuable things that I had my [TS]

00:29:20   entire life was my friendship with this [TS]

00:29:22   man called Kirk and I would like for you [TS]

00:29:25   to pursue to see if you can have a [TS]

00:29:28   friendship that will be as valuable to [TS]

00:29:29   you as mine was to me because at this [TS]

00:29:32   point learning way is elderly and he is [TS]

00:29:35   probably in a position where he is [TS]

00:29:37   spending more time looking backwards [TS]

00:29:38   then looking forward and maybe in a I [TS]

00:29:41   don't know if he was channeling anything [TS]

00:29:43   of himself in that role but it was so [TS]

00:29:44   authentic that if you could give [TS]

00:29:46   yourself a piece of advice but at age 23 [TS]

00:29:48   24 25 [TS]

00:29:50   what would you pick and i think most [TS]

00:29:51   people would say that you're going to [TS]

00:29:53   meet a woman in three or four years and [TS]

00:29:55   her name is Debbie and she's going to [TS]

00:29:57   change your entire life and whenever [TS]

00:29:59   you're going through whatever hardship [TS]

00:30:01   that you're going to face you realize [TS]

00:30:03   that you don't have a great life because [TS]

00:30:04   of [TS]

00:30:04   this person then it was such a simple [TS]

00:30:06   delivery of simple lines and that's what [TS]

00:30:09   a great actor don't know how he couldn't [TS]

00:30:11   channel himself he you know the scene [TS]

00:30:14   where in the snow cave where he meets [TS]

00:30:16   Chris Pine leonard nimoy from the [TS]

00:30:20   perspective of what 45 years after he [TS]

00:30:23   was in Star Trek or after he started in [TS]

00:30:25   Star Trek and 40 years after he finished [TS]

00:30:27   startrack Islam is talking to a 28 year [TS]

00:30:32   old actor who is playing james t kirk [TS]

00:30:35   how can you [TS]

00:30:38   I mean how can you not channel the idea [TS]

00:30:42   that I mean he was old Spock right he's [TS]

00:30:46   like literally hi i am I come from your [TS]

00:30:49   future and let me tell you being young [TS]

00:30:51   captain kirk and dealing with young mr. [TS]

00:30:53   Spock is pretty great but it is it is i [TS]

00:30:57   said this earlier it is one of the [TS]

00:30:59   really surprising things in that movie [TS]

00:31:02   that makes me like that first JJ Abrams [TS]

00:31:04   movie so much is that it is it is mr. [TS]

00:31:09   Spock is not a is not a gimmick old mr. [TS]

00:31:11   Spock is not a gimmick in the movie he [TS]

00:31:13   is the thing that causes the movie to [TS]

00:31:14   exist and they have the split timelines [TS]

00:31:16   and all that but it's not he's not just [TS]

00:31:19   in it as a it so easily be added as a [TS]

00:31:21   plot device and a wing and he's not he [TS]

00:31:25   is set like you said Andy he's setting [TS]

00:31:27   those characters on a course and it is [TS]

00:31:29   yes it is Leonard Nimoy blessing this [TS]

00:31:31   new generation of Star Trek actors but [TS]

00:31:33   it is also old mr. Spock saying trust me [TS]

00:31:37   you guys are going to go places and it [TS]

00:31:40   is you know and then he you know invents [TS]

00:31:42   the crazy transporter whatever and [TS]

00:31:44   teaches got to do that meets the plot [TS]

00:31:46   moving along to do but it is it is way [TS]

00:31:49   more in fact somebody on Twitter today [TS]

00:31:51   said I I'm hoping that they will that [TS]

00:31:53   they can service the classic Star Wars [TS]

00:31:56   actors as well as they treated Spock [TS]

00:32:00   when they bring them back for episode 7 [TS]

00:32:02   because it's you know JJ Abrams it's the [TS]

00:32:05   same thing you're taking these iconic [TS]

00:32:07   actors and bringing them into a place [TS]

00:32:10   where they're not acting with their own [TS]

00:32:11   young selves presumably don't think [TS]

00:32:13   there's a time-travel paradox and Star [TS]

00:32:15   Wars Episode 7 but is still [TS]

00:32:18   the idea that you treat those actors and [TS]

00:32:19   their iconic parts with with respect and [TS]

00:32:22   they're not just in there to wave at you [TS]

00:32:24   and then move out of the way but they're [TS]

00:32:26   there to do something important and that [TS]

00:32:28   that was I think the greatest gift that [TS]

00:32:31   we got with that JJ Abrams Star Trek [TS]

00:32:33   movie was that spot was not window [TS]

00:32:35   dressing he was really important and [TS]

00:32:37   they gave Leonard Nimoy something [TS]

00:32:38   powerful to do and he did it [TS]

00:32:41   yeah I can into darkness he's a plot [TS]

00:32:43   device [TS]

00:32:44   yeah although it is I it is it's on the [TS]

00:32:46   spot it is very funny it's literally [TS]

00:32:48   like most young mr. Spock is speaking to [TS]

00:32:49   the end he's like can you get the old [TS]

00:32:50   spot on the radio because i want to i [TS]

00:32:52   need to ask mr. 42 and but but it's just [TS]

00:32:58   yeah it's a that those are great i agree [TS]

00:33:00   with you Andy [TS]

00:33:01   those are great Spock moment i love the [TS]

00:33:03   pain that when he watches Vulcan get [TS]

00:33:07   destroyed [TS]

00:33:08   you know from his perspective like this [TS]

00:33:10   shouldn't be happening I can't believe [TS]

00:33:11   this is happening and that's the reason [TS]

00:33:13   your old destroys Vulcan in that movie [TS]

00:33:15   is because he wants to make mr. Spock [TS]

00:33:17   watch basically on and he's the ne ne he [TS]

00:33:20   gets to express his emotions to chris [TS]

00:33:22   pine and say I am emotionally [TS]

00:33:24   compromised i just saw my planet die and [TS]

00:33:27   and you know that then registers with [TS]

00:33:29   Zachary Quinto but but Leonard Nimoy [TS]

00:33:31   already feels it that Zachary Quinto has [TS]

00:33:34   to have it pulled to the surface by [TS]

00:33:36   chris pine but learning way as Spock he [TS]

00:33:40   it's all there on the surface and that's [TS]

00:33:41   a really powerful scene that that that [TS]

00:33:43   that is some of the best Spock I thought [TS]

00:33:44   I always thought unification in the next [TS]

00:33:46   generation was essentially gonna be the [TS]

00:33:48   last we ever solve linear Moyes Spock I [TS]

00:33:50   think that's the last thing he'd shot he [TS]

00:33:51   shot that after Star Trek six and i was [TS]

00:33:55   very happy that but that there was [TS]

00:33:57   something more cuz unification not that [TS]

00:33:59   good [TS]

00:34:00   can we say that the nude it's not [TS]

00:34:02   because it's no it's not that good it's [TS]

00:34:04   got one of these days you're gonna have [TS]

00:34:05   to do like a two-hour episode of random [TS]

00:34:06   track about unification know my name [TS]

00:34:09   doesn't come up with that one [TS]

00:34:11   I'll pencil you in but by the Romulans [TS]

00:34:13   have great shoulder pads we know that [TS]

00:34:15   either other famous Spock seems that our [TS]

00:34:18   favorites boxes you want to talk about [TS]

00:34:20   great moments in mr. spa [TS]

00:34:22   well if we're sticking with the movies i [TS]

00:34:24   have a big soft spots for star trek for [TS]

00:34:28   and having you know Spock a mind-meld [TS]

00:34:32   with whale had you know not [TS]

00:34:37   understanding uh he's like a happy she's [TS]

00:34:40   very confused because he just got real [TS]

00:34:42   he just got resurrected so he's a little [TS]

00:34:43   bit goofy it started waters off into the [TS]

00:34:47   bushes yeah it's his way to the way will [TS]

00:34:50   double the mass on you and all the rest [TS]

00:34:52   yes yes no no yes metaphor yes no yes i [TS]

00:34:55   like italian and so do you [TS]

00:34:58   yes yes i love the end of a mark time [TS]

00:35:02   where he realizes that Korea still alive [TS]

00:35:05   I mean all of a mark x beautiful but [TS]

00:35:07   just that moment of GM smile okay so I'm [TS]

00:35:09   gonna I'm gonna want it back so a mock [TS]

00:35:11   time I want maybe my favorite scene in [TS]

00:35:14   all the original series is the scene [TS]

00:35:16   right before that which is where and [TS]

00:35:18   this is everyone looking at me a starter [TS]

00:35:20   everybody post that picture i have it on [TS]

00:35:21   a magnet on my refrigerator of him with [TS]

00:35:23   the with the Vulcan hand gesture with [TS]

00:35:25   the kind of like spinal tap Stonehenge a [TS]

00:35:28   styrofoam rock behind them from the [TS]

00:35:32   Cyclorama set that they that they were [TS]

00:35:33   on that's that's the battlefield of [TS]

00:35:35   mounts too late you [TS]

00:35:36   yeah sure it is although it yeah watch [TS]

00:35:38   the remastered versions they do these [TS]

00:35:39   crazy like CGI Vulcan landscape is not [TS]

00:35:43   its creator with little cgi people it's [TS]

00:35:46   amazing but anyway that scene is so [TS]

00:35:48   tragic and yeah it's reverse these terms [TS]

00:35:50   at kirks not dead but everybody doesn't [TS]

00:35:52   know everybody who watches that it's [TS]

00:35:54   like a look at mr. Spock getting a [TS]

00:35:55   little live long and prosper he this is [TS]

00:35:57   the wherewhere to power says live long [TS]

00:36:00   and prosper and he says I have killed my [TS]

00:36:02   captain and my friend I shall do neither [TS]

00:36:05   it is like ripping his heart out it is [TS]

00:36:08   the it is the tragic low point of mr. [TS]

00:36:11   Spock he is his life is over but he's [TS]

00:36:13   giving the hand gesture and it's such a [TS]

00:36:15   powerful scene immediately followed by [TS]

00:36:17   him doing the big grin while McCoy and [TS]

00:36:19   Chapel it's like that comedy routine [TS]

00:36:21   were like but wait what wait what wait [TS]

00:36:22   he's like no doctor I must resign [TS]

00:36:24   immediately but wait spike no I must do [TS]

00:36:27   it right now and william shatner comes [TS]

00:36:28   up behind him because he was gonna do [TS]

00:36:32   he's a super powerful Vulcan he could [TS]

00:36:34   chop you in half if you take me by [TS]

00:36:35   surprise we are we gonna give you crap [TS]

00:36:37   they're not gonna hear about it i love i [TS]

00:36:41   love i love both those scenes those are [TS]

00:36:43   two of the best that an emotional [TS]

00:36:44   reaction Spock I'm just simply going to [TS]

00:36:48   start with is not lost a qualified [TS]

00:36:50   officer you're capable officer I was [TS]

00:36:54   thinking I i think there's not one month [TS]

00:36:56   out of my life ever since the first time [TS]

00:36:57   I saw that as a kid I have not just [TS]

00:36:59   spontaneously thought of that exchange I [TS]

00:37:02   i can even tell you the last time it [TS]

00:37:05   happened was four or five nights ago and [TS]

00:37:07   i was in the parking lot of a grocery [TS]

00:37:09   store about to like drive back home and [TS]

00:37:11   for some reason my thought process we're [TS]

00:37:13   going here there and everywhere and just [TS]

00:37:14   I just think of that line readings thing [TS]

00:37:16   i have killed by captain friend [TS]

00:37:18   clearly I show dunno yeah whoo out why a [TS]

00:37:23   TJ I can see the quiver in his voice i [TS]

00:37:25   can see that he is just numb with grief [TS]

00:37:28   and remorse and shocked at what he's [TS]

00:37:30   done and it's all done on this really [TS]

00:37:33   terrible deci Lucette that just it's [TS]

00:37:36   it's it's like it's like packaging [TS]

00:37:39   material and try to be should be heard [TS]

00:37:40   like three other than that it's like Oh [TS]

00:37:42   what I'm going to achieve with this this [TS]

00:37:44   was that I get out I never I never [TS]

00:37:46   became a really like involved fan of [TS]

00:37:48   Star Trek but that was this not just [TS]

00:37:50   this episode not just the scene but that [TS]

00:37:52   was the line that said forever more [TS]

00:37:55   this is a worthy worthy show and at some [TS]

00:37:57   point I'm going to enjoy watching us [TS]

00:37:59   yeah another another one of those scenes [TS]

00:38:01   that I love that again is a huge seen a [TS]

00:38:05   huge moment is when when Edith Keeler [TS]

00:38:08   dies [TS]

00:38:09   oh right because he's the one who's like [TS]

00:38:13   wait and then but Curtis like no aah [TS]

00:38:18   and maybe that's not what Harlan Ellison [TS]

00:38:19   wanted but it worked right where they [TS]

00:38:22   want you have to get what the character [TS]

00:38:24   better captain kirk has to hold McCoy [TS]

00:38:25   back there right even though spot can [TS]

00:38:27   totally do it and that would be fine too [TS]

00:38:28   because it needs to be that moment where [TS]

00:38:30   where Kirk makes the it will that moment [TS]

00:38:32   of I could've saved her and he just says [TS]

00:38:35   he knows doctor he knows if I bet and [TS]

00:38:38   and just the whole you know once one [TS]

00:38:41   spot realizes what's going on with [TS]

00:38:44   the gym through that whole episode just [TS]

00:38:46   again that that's a huge moment in their [TS]

00:38:49   relationship right well there to the [TS]

00:38:51   stranded in the past together and [TS]

00:38:52   they're they're like having to get [TS]

00:38:53   dogged jobs and Spock Spock keeps a [TS]

00:38:56   captain kirk goes to work Spock stays [TS]

00:38:58   back at home when kevin has ham radio [TS]

00:39:01   when Captain Kirk it's homey nags [TS]

00:39:03   Captain Kirk about how he does not have [TS]

00:39:04   enough money to get a sufficient [TS]

00:39:06   quantity of platinum and is using stone [TS]

00:39:09   stone knives and bearskins to try and [TS]

00:39:11   get the tricorder to work just hilarious [TS]

00:39:13   that says that you're funny Spock funny [TS]

00:39:16   Spock is also also really good that the [TS]

00:39:18   driest go bone dry right where where [TS]

00:39:22   he's needles dr. McCoy because we all [TS]

00:39:25   remember dr. McCoy gas pocket [TS]

00:39:27   green-blooded off right roar but [TS]

00:39:30   green-blooded hope God but then you know [TS]

00:39:32   then Spock turns and just raises an [TS]

00:39:34   eyebrow like whoa okay I just so so [TS]

00:39:38   powerful think about the the lengths he [TS]

00:39:40   went two for Christopher Pike you know [TS]

00:39:43   it's not easy [TS]

00:39:44   Kirk is not the only captain his head [TS]

00:39:46   right tense relationship with her [TS]

00:39:48   it's just that's the one we got to see [TS]

00:39:49   right now in the menagerie in the [TS]

00:39:52   menagerie we see Spock steal the [TS]

00:39:55   enterprise and basically he's the [TS]

00:39:56   villain mad for a long time of YS bak [TS]

00:39:59   doing mr. and that he's doing it for for [TS]

00:40:01   uh for loyalty to his former captain [TS]

00:40:04   which I think Kirk's like all right well [TS]

00:40:06   I get that you know it's good to be [TS]

00:40:09   loyal to your captain I approve [TS]

00:40:11   I like to i'd like to read the [TS]

00:40:13   newsletter on that that's a higher and [TS]

00:40:16   of course we have the mirror universe [TS]

00:40:17   actually evil spot here it's is he [TS]

00:40:20   actually for Scott though [TS]

00:40:22   well no but he probably the best [TS]

00:40:24   character the less the least evil cat in [TS]

00:40:27   the mirror mariano he's reasonable right [TS]

00:40:29   get Kurt gives him the pitch like you [TS]

00:40:31   could overthrow this thing you can take [TS]

00:40:33   this whole place over I will consider it [TS]

00:40:36   he says but the the spot with the beard [TS]

00:40:38   to also defining the classic your evil [TS]

00:40:40   duplicate as a beard [TS]

00:40:41   how many exceptional okay yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:40:45   I know Spock is the that the one of the [TS]

00:40:47   nice things about that the circle right [TS]

00:40:49   one of the nice things about that [TS]

00:40:50   episode right is that everybody else is [TS]

00:40:52   just kind of monstrous and then you like [TS]

00:40:54   what what's gonna happen to Spock [TS]

00:40:56   and the answer is actually its spark [TS]

00:40:59   righties because a goatee but still spot [TS]

00:41:03   yeah well social pressure made him grow [TS]

00:41:05   the goatee [TS]

00:41:05   it's true so Leonard Nimoy obviously [TS]

00:41:08   before before he was in Star Trek he was [TS]

00:41:12   not only was in the twilight zone [TS]

00:41:14   episode a bunch of other TV he was doing [TS]

00:41:17   somewhat experimental theater in LA and [TS]

00:41:23   and fairly well regarded at that and [TS]

00:41:26   then after being mr. Spock you know he [TS]

00:41:30   was a guest star in an episode of TJ [TS]

00:41:32   hooker he was the narrator of of in [TS]

00:41:35   search of colombo l columbus as soon as [TS]

00:41:39   starter again did he went down the hall [TS]

00:41:41   to mission is lose mission to Mission [TS]

00:41:43   Possible right where again his sidekick [TS]

00:41:45   to a guy named jim yeah that's that's [TS]

00:41:47   weird [TS]

00:41:48   that's really weird but I so what I [TS]

00:41:50   wanted to get at is a little bit we [TS]

00:41:53   could talk a little bit about the the [TS]

00:41:56   challenges of an actor in an indelible [TS]

00:41:59   role I i talked about this a little bit [TS]

00:42:01   earlier on a TV talk machine with Tim [TS]

00:42:04   Goodman but I wanted to bring it up here [TS]

00:42:06   too which is I think he he made his [TS]

00:42:09   peace with it and and the greatest thing [TS]

00:42:12   you could do is an actor on one level is [TS]

00:42:13   to have this role of a lifetime right [TS]

00:42:15   but as a working actor who needs to [TS]

00:42:17   support oneself having a role of a [TS]

00:42:19   lifetime when you're 30 is 425 is is I'm [TS]

00:42:26   pretty difficult if you've got the rest [TS]

00:42:28   of your career to live it down even if [TS]

00:42:30   it was the role of a lifetime and I [TS]

00:42:32   think it's um I think it says a lot [TS]

00:42:35   about Leonard Nimoy as person that in [TS]

00:42:37   the end I feel like he really accepted [TS]

00:42:40   the good of of having of having that [TS]

00:42:45   Parton and of having mr. Spock in his [TS]

00:42:47   life but it definitely seems to like a [TS]

00:42:50   rough ride i mean in addition to I am [TS]

00:42:52   NOT Spock I I'm use that what is it [TS]

00:42:56   James Blish wrote the novel spot must [TS]

00:42:58   die [TS]

00:42:59   yeah there's like was not three feet [TS]

00:43:01   away a lot of aggression and mr. Spock [TS]

00:43:04   in New yeah for people in the seventies [TS]

00:43:06   and then they kill them all and it's you [TS]

00:43:08   know it's funny cuz [TS]

00:43:09   you you again you have that sort of [TS]

00:43:11   dissolute casting thing of Mark Lando [TS]

00:43:13   and Leonard Nimoy mark land on Leonard [TS]

00:43:15   Nimoy and martin landau was almost Spock [TS]

00:43:17   and then when martin landau left Mission [TS]

00:43:19   Impossible suddenly it's Leonard Nimoy [TS]

00:43:21   playing the the guy who puts on the [TS]

00:43:23   masks and he's different in every [TS]

00:43:25   episode and he doesn't actually have a [TS]

00:43:27   character that's part of why he left the [TS]

00:43:28   shows that there was no character for [TS]

00:43:31   him he was always someone else but you [TS]

00:43:33   know part of it was he wanted to show [TS]

00:43:35   the versatility and what's what's always [TS]

00:43:37   been interesting to me is that martin [TS]

00:43:39   landau really does kind of sink into all [TS]

00:43:41   these things that he does in the first [TS]

00:43:43   three years of mission impossible and [TS]

00:43:45   every time you see Leonard Nimoy in [TS]

00:43:46   costume [TS]

00:43:47   he's good but he's still clearly leonard [TS]

00:43:49   nimoy which is really kind of weird and [TS]

00:43:52   again you know maybe it's that spot is [TS]

00:43:54   coming out I don't know I've seen him in [TS]

00:43:56   lots of other things since then [TS]

00:43:59   obviously he did a one-man show about [TS]

00:44:02   Vincent van Gogh where he played his [TS]

00:44:04   brother Theo and he he actually wrote [TS]

00:44:07   the play and it's fantastic it's a [TS]

00:44:10   lovely night of theater and there's a [TS]

00:44:12   recording of it that you can order at [TS]

00:44:13   amazon i think and and you know he's not [TS]

00:44:17   at all spot in that he's very clearly [TS]

00:44:20   Theo van Gogh so you know hehe could do [TS]

00:44:23   it suicide maybe he wasn't ready [TS]

00:44:25   the two years after Star Trek maybe he [TS]

00:44:26   was still wet behind the ears so to [TS]

00:44:29   speak but as the seventies and eighties [TS]

00:44:32   went on he he he was able to do more [TS]

00:44:35   things and and you know he might not [TS]

00:44:37   have been able to do the van Gogh thing [TS]

00:44:38   if it hadn't been for the cushion of [TS]

00:44:41   having star trek to support him and to [TS]

00:44:43   have the the money from Star Trek and [TS]

00:44:45   have the fans from Star Trek command C [TS]

00:44:47   because like a here's here's our guy and [TS]

00:44:50   he's doing something else and this is [TS]

00:44:51   really good show to it is this strange [TS]

00:44:54   it's a fascinating thing we can the cult [TS]

00:44:56   being being such a grabbing a role like [TS]

00:45:00   this and then also being stuck with a [TS]

00:45:01   role like this it's just it is an [TS]

00:45:04   amazing combination of things that you [TS]

00:45:05   know he ended up writing I am Spock and [TS]

00:45:07   embracing it but he had so much else any [TS]

00:45:10   day any turned it turned his artistica [TS]

00:45:12   energy toward photography and other [TS]

00:45:15   things like that I i think you know it [TS]

00:45:17   is interesting that he probably he was [TS]

00:45:19   never mr. Spock he probably would have [TS]

00:45:21   had a much [TS]

00:45:22   more varied career as an actor but yeah [TS]

00:45:26   you know instead he got to be mr. Spock [TS]

00:45:28   and you know bottom a house in Bel Air [TS]

00:45:31   and I i think yeah you know he i think [TS]

00:45:33   you did ok but i really enjoyed that JJ [TS]

00:45:38   Abrams and company since they knew him [TS]

00:45:41   from working on Star Trek the the 2009 [TS]

00:45:47   version put them in fringe as one of his [TS]

00:45:52   very different as one of his put ya is a [TS]

00:45:54   somewhat evil somewhat misunderstood may [TS]

00:45:59   be mad scientist sort of thing but uh I [TS]

00:46:02   thought that was actually I thought he [TS]

00:46:03   did a really great job in fringe and I [TS]

00:46:06   loved the fact that it was a character [TS]

00:46:08   that you haven't you you've only heard [TS]

00:46:09   about four years and then you know he [TS]

00:46:12   emerges and it's not anymore and you're [TS]

00:46:14   like what [TS]

00:46:15   and it's a it's a really wonderful [TS]

00:46:16   moment and apple he had he had already [TS]

00:46:18   basically quote-unquote retired from [TS]

00:46:20   acting and and then here he is on fringe [TS]

00:46:24   and and it was a lot of fun to see him [TS]

00:46:25   do something else and it was one of [TS]

00:46:27   those moments look are you know he could [TS]

00:46:30   have been in lots of other things before [TS]

00:46:32   that but there was always sort of you [TS]

00:46:33   know was mr. Spock away [TS]

00:46:34   I don't know and and it was an evil [TS]

00:46:36   mirror universe [TS]

00:46:38   yes well then come on with usually [TS]

00:46:41   Israel in Colombia was very very much [TS]

00:46:44   mr. Spock where the entire the entire [TS]

00:46:46   episode he is he also uses he doesn't [TS]

00:46:49   quite use the voice but he's always the [TS]

00:46:51   person who's speaking through tented [TS]

00:46:53   fingers on the other side of the table [TS]

00:46:55   he is the murderer but he doesn't let [TS]

00:46:57   his emotions get to him as where faculty [TS]

00:47:00   and colombo is absolutely baffled until [TS]

00:47:02   the very very end recalls wait a minute [TS]

00:47:04   that one time when the doctor freaked [TS]

00:47:07   out and assaulted me [TS]

00:47:08   he must have been doing that to cover up [TS]

00:47:11   something and that's when he actually [TS]

00:47:12   mailed them so it's a very spot like [TS]

00:47:14   roll when he's always explaining very [TS]

00:47:17   rationally don't you understand colombo [TS]

00:47:19   this is what must have happened right [TS]

00:47:22   he's he's always trying to do that that [TS]

00:47:24   that actually is one of my favorite [TS]

00:47:25   colombo moments where the as they're [TS]

00:47:29   carrying away the murder weapon which is [TS]

00:47:31   a tire iron i think in columbus hang on [TS]

00:47:34   any kind of looks at it for a second [TS]

00:47:35   he takes a hard-boiled egg out of his [TS]

00:47:37   pocket and cracks against the thing is [TS]

00:47:39   ok yeah keep going but that but that was [TS]

00:47:41   that that was it was a lot so many [TS]

00:47:44   really great moments from that's from [TS]

00:47:45   that episode one of them is one of the [TS]

00:47:47   most intense moments between Colombo and [TS]

00:47:49   any other actor in the entire series [TS]

00:47:51   yeah because he's trees is the way the [TS]

00:47:54   colombo works on suspects is working on [TS]

00:47:56   their emotions and trying to like [TS]

00:47:57   rattling a little bit he finally gets [TS]

00:47:59   this guy who is absolutely impossible to [TS]

00:48:01   rattle because he's just being stored [TS]

00:48:03   throughout the entire thing and then you [TS]

00:48:05   add this other thing where it's not just [TS]

00:48:07   this one murder that he's investigating [TS]

00:48:10   he has discovered that Leonard Nimoy's [TS]

00:48:12   character has intentionally botched a [TS]

00:48:15   surgery that happened a week ago so that [TS]

00:48:17   this guy is going to die in a few days [TS]

00:48:19   and we'll look like it was just like a [TS]

00:48:21   heart attack is now he has to make sure [TS]

00:48:23   that this doctor is going to bring that [TS]

00:48:25   patient back in and fix it so after he [TS]

00:48:28   tries every single trick he can possibly [TS]

00:48:30   think of to like get this guy so scared [TS]

00:48:33   for you have bad but I better fix this [TS]

00:48:34   and prevent find an excuse [TS]

00:48:36   columbus finally like this patient just [TS]

00:48:37   nods and then pick up a wider picture [TS]

00:48:39   and then slams it on the desk in front [TS]

00:48:42   of Nimoy and says drops the entire like [TS]

00:48:45   oh I'm just a dumb rumpled detective [TS]

00:48:47   since and look if in fact that guy dies [TS]

00:48:49   there's gonna have to be an autopsy [TS]

00:48:51   you know that's gonna happen and I'm [TS]

00:48:53   gonna be there watching you every step [TS]

00:48:55   of the way doctor and then he scheduled [TS]

00:48:57   surgery again being stoic and being very [TS]

00:49:00   very spot like it was very few people i [TS]

00:49:02   think would really have actors could [TS]

00:49:03   have stood up to that kind of [TS]

00:49:05   performance and still no flinch i'm [TS]

00:49:07   gonna i'm just going to simply logically [TS]

00:49:09   realize that ok he is indeed right-field [TS]

00:49:11   there's no if if this guy dies their [TS]

00:49:14   effects and I have to do this right now [TS]

00:49:16   like oh goodness he's such an anchor and [TS]

00:49:19   every scene that he's and I can't think [TS]

00:49:20   of anything post star trek ever saw him [TS]

00:49:23   and where he was just not the guy you [TS]

00:49:25   wanted to pay attention to even when he [TS]

00:49:27   was just sitting quietly of a bind [TS]

00:49:30   tented fingers and observing that one [TS]

00:49:32   and that TJ hooker episode I mean not a [TS]

00:49:35   good show a fat white ball shape moment [TS]

00:49:39   for variable this is this a charity our [TS]

00:49:42   hearing a comfortable [TS]

00:49:44   Adrian's admit that some of the best [TS]

00:49:46   butt's getting across the hood of a car [TS]

00:49:47   I've seen any 80 series i'll stand by [TS]

00:49:49   the of the two series that had a lock [TS]

00:49:51   layer was in simultaneously on ABC in [TS]

00:49:53   the eighties that was one of them [TS]

00:49:56   that was one of them it is the series [TS]

00:49:58   that gave us the phrase your life isn't [TS]

00:50:00   worth Bologna on a stick so you know you [TS]

00:50:04   ever had to let the music not that good [TS]

00:50:07   once i guess i have to act out the [TS]

00:50:08   correct in that environment just like [TS]

00:50:10   bigger the star from scenery is Neelu [TS]

00:50:12   that guy should get a special lemme but [TS]

00:50:15   but the episode and i remember watching [TS]

00:50:18   it when it aired where you Leonard Nimoy [TS]

00:50:20   is guesting on TJ Hooker and and he gets [TS]

00:50:23   he gets to be the emotional one he gets [TS]

00:50:25   to be this father who's who wants [TS]

00:50:28   vengeance for whatever happened to his [TS]

00:50:30   daughter and he actually calls often and [TS]

00:50:32   dex hooker at one point which is great [TS]

00:50:35   but again you know you can't take your [TS]

00:50:37   eyes off him [TS]

00:50:38   that's who you want to see the story [TS]

00:50:40   about you don't care about TJ hooker who [TS]

00:50:42   then goes running along the wall and [TS]

00:50:43   jumps on the school bus as you do [TS]

00:50:47   he was also the voice of Galvatron and [TS]

00:50:49   the Transformers believe yes [TS]

00:50:51   yeah which I enjoyed immensely as a kid [TS]

00:50:54   yeah Orson Welles was in the [TS]

00:50:56   Transformers movies that was his legs [TS]

00:50:59   and he was on the cross [TS]

00:51:00   yeah the Giants of of acting in [TS]

00:51:05   transformers cartoon that so that's a [TS]

00:51:08   punchline actually that's the punchline [TS]

00:51:09   from searching for isn't it [TS]

00:51:11   the odd the Giants the collective killed [TS]

00:51:14   Robin role in Jax's and yeah [TS]

00:51:17   oh so i have a i just wanted to mention [TS]

00:51:22   nobody made pseudo-scientific claptrap [TS]

00:51:26   sound more realistic in the seventies [TS]

00:51:28   than one anymore as the narrator of in [TS]

00:51:30   search of oh I learned so much I have [TS]

00:51:34   freewill about the Easter Island statues [TS]

00:51:36   and the chupacabra I don't know whether [TS]

00:51:38   it's your comp represent probably then [TS]

00:51:41   but it made it but mr. Spock was [TS]

00:51:42   explaining to me and therefore it was [TS]

00:51:44   totally true it had to be science right [TS]

00:51:46   because mr. spot was talking about UFOs [TS]

00:51:48   and and the theory of Atlantis and you [TS]

00:51:51   know ESP well and and it's funny there [TS]

00:51:54   if you look at the the list of all the [TS]

00:51:55   episodes for in surgery you know again [TS]

00:51:57   see the Loch Ness monster Bigfoot all [TS]

00:51:59   the things that were hip in the [TS]

00:52:00   seventies right and there's one episode [TS]

00:52:04   in search of Vincent van Gogh and [TS]

00:52:06   apparently he agreed to do the series as [TS]

00:52:08   long as he could do one episode where he [TS]

00:52:09   went overseas needed and that's where [TS]

00:52:12   did all the research for the vincent van [TS]

00:52:14   gogh play was doing the episode 4 in [TS]

00:52:16   search of and it's it's bizarre because [TS]

00:52:19   it's not at all I can you know there's [TS]

00:52:21   nothing weird Supernatural about Vincent [TS]

00:52:23   but ok whatever but you know it worked [TS]

00:52:27   it paid the bills but and and I i [TS]

00:52:31   remember when i first discovered [TS]

00:52:33   jonathan coulton and you know I'm and [TS]

00:52:36   I'm listening to all the songs going to [TS]

00:52:38   call me and i love this guy and getting [TS]

00:52:40   to under the pines and the first time [TS]

00:52:43   through i guess was the first verse I'm [TS]

00:52:46   going what the hell is this song about [TS]

00:52:48   and then I realized it's a song from the [TS]

00:52:50   point of view of leonard nimoy to [TS]

00:52:52   Bigfoot and it that just blew my mind [TS]

00:52:56   that not only the concept that anyone [TS]

00:52:59   would think of writing a song from [TS]

00:53:01   Leonard Nimoy Bigfoot well who wouldn't [TS]

00:53:05   it's obvious [TS]

00:53:05   ok alright so I i used to listen to the [TS]

00:53:11   golden throats album better if he turns [TS]

00:53:13   out not only not only loosen sky with [TS]

00:53:16   diamonds from william shatner but if i [TS]

00:53:18   had a hammer and too soon by hand so I [TS]

00:53:21   any in that these are the voyages book [TS]

00:53:23   they make it clear that basically they [TS]

00:53:25   were merchandising anything in it [TS]

00:53:27   everything they could that first year [TS]

00:53:28   because they didn't know with this was [TS]

00:53:31   gonna last and made the end up some [TS]

00:53:33   record company said yeah we want to do a [TS]

00:53:35   star trek album ended up being like mr. [TS]

00:53:38   Spock's music from space for something [TS]

00:53:40   like that music from no man which I [TS]

00:53:44   ionno really a ballad of bilbo baggins [TS]

00:53:46   is haunting yeah i'lli'll unfortunately [TS]

00:53:50   yeah yeah I remember that from dr. [TS]

00:53:53   Demento mhm yeah ideological double [TS]

00:53:56   barrel carburetors great place but you [TS]

00:53:58   never can find a parking space [TS]

00:54:02   highly illogical and you have a memory [TS]

00:54:04   of this i know the damn warrant does of [TS]

00:54:06   the him introducing like the science [TS]

00:54:09   show at the planetarium or something in [TS]

00:54:11   Boston [TS]

00:54:12   yes yes hate whatever that is is entered [TS]

00:54:15   the the planetarium museum of science [TS]

00:54:18   right had this beaut this is this is [TS]

00:54:20   Boston and it was this huge huge tour of [TS]

00:54:23   the entire of the entire city including [TS]

00:54:26   the the I don't remember his dialogue as [TS]

00:54:30   much as I remember this is a before I [TS]

00:54:33   max they also had multiple projectors [TS]

00:54:34   behind the screen the planetarium it was [TS]

00:54:36   like just a huge like cinerama style [TS]

00:54:38   movie and I just really basically is a [TS]

00:54:40   high-speed film you drive all the way [TS]

00:54:42   through boston into the coast and then [TS]

00:54:44   you get 12 lobster boats all look place [TS]

00:54:46   people want to see a lot of stuff on the [TS]

00:54:48   lobster man shoves it shoves a lobster [TS]

00:54:50   right into the camera and it's surrounds [TS]

00:54:52   you with its claws but yeah I mean [TS]

00:54:53   little Moyes narration talk about the [TS]

00:54:56   history and here the district's it must [TS]

00:54:58   have been a little bit painful though [TS]

00:54:59   because there is not a West End of [TS]

00:55:02   Boston there used to be but then it was [TS]

00:55:04   torn down and like urban renewal in the [TS]

00:55:06   fifties and that is of course that was [TS]

00:55:08   his hometown that's where he was born [TS]

00:55:09   that's where he took his acting lessons [TS]

00:55:12   this is where he did his family raised [TS]

00:55:14   them and so he had to give this long [TS]

00:55:16   long tours had have the Boston Boston's [TS]

00:55:18   North End is filled the folk to the [TS]

00:55:20   south end with a visit then [TS]

00:55:21   well with the east end well that's the [TS]

00:55:23   harbor well we're okay and can talk [TS]

00:55:25   about the Western because that's where [TS]

00:55:26   the elevator the elevator highway is [TS]

00:55:27   well isn't that isn't thanks for [TS]

00:55:30   downloading it isn't this here's a test [TS]

00:55:34   of the new army theater sound system who [TS]

00:55:38   would put the ball in the bomb [TS]

00:55:42   shabam shove all who put the ram in the [TS]

00:55:46   rap a lab adding dog but yeah that's [TS]

00:55:50   with its there's actually there's [TS]

00:55:53   actually live discussion about where is [TS]

00:55:54   that film now because they the museum of [TS]

00:55:56   science has not released it there's some [TS]

00:55:57   bootleg film of people who just managed [TS]

00:56:00   to sneak some sort of video camera [TS]

00:56:02   because the tourists were there so [TS]

00:56:03   people did like shoot video of those [TS]

00:56:06   before you know the recording industry [TS]

00:56:08   was like militant it's yeah it's a big [TS]

00:56:11   piece of estonia the well i have a [TS]

00:56:14   hammer [TS]

00:56:15   and i have a bell and i'm going to ring [TS]

00:56:19   it all over this lab you gotta love that [TS]

00:56:25   actually that you gotta love the [TS]

00:56:26   shameless tie-ins and he was happy to [TS]

00:56:30   provide military or absolutely and read [TS]

00:56:33   into that what else what else do you [TS]

00:56:35   guys want to talk about on this on the [TS]

00:56:37   subject I i I've run out of my notes of [TS]

00:56:40   the various things that i wanted to talk [TS]

00:56:42   about that we can go anywhere you want [TS]

00:56:43   with us [TS]

00:56:44   there's a show that was a movie it was [TS]

00:56:47   like as a pilot from the early seventies [TS]

00:56:49   called baffled [TS]

00:56:52   I think where he is a racecar driver who [TS]

00:56:57   developed psychic powers and then the [TS]

00:57:00   series was going to be amusing a psychic [TS]

00:57:02   powers to help save people every week [TS]

00:57:03   and it sounds ridiculous but it's not [TS]

00:57:06   bad huh [TS]

00:57:07   but of course the reason it's not bad [TS]

00:57:09   anymore anymore at the wikipedia page [TS]

00:57:12   says that holds eight pilot for a [TS]

00:57:15   television series the story is part of [TS]

00:57:17   the occult detective sub-genre well i [TS]

00:57:20   called ya jack i guess what is that how [TS]

00:57:23   big is that sub-genre that's like a [TS]

00:57:26   parent apparently there were some but [TS]

00:57:28   yeah it's it's not bad i mean you know [TS]

00:57:31   early seventies a cold crime drama but [TS]

00:57:36   that's weird it's it's funny used to pop [TS]

00:57:39   up every now and then on on the the [TS]

00:57:41   independent stations when I was younger [TS]

00:57:42   and yeah if you come across it and it's [TS]

00:57:46   probably on youtube at this point i [TS]

00:57:48   guess we should mention that he also [TS]

00:57:49   directed three men and a baby in [TS]

00:57:52   addition to start your career and star [TS]

00:57:53   trek for which is the highest grossing [TS]

00:57:55   film of 1987 [TS]

00:57:57   yep and spend funny about love with Gene [TS]

00:58:00   Wilder also also it is contribution to [TS]

00:58:03   the simpsons hit anyone who started the [TS]

00:58:05   monorail yes [TS]

00:58:07   talk about a cherry on the top of an [TS]

00:58:09   already big cherry on top of a career [TS]

00:58:12   the cosmic dance goes as himself in [TS]

00:58:14   March vs. the monorail was fantastic [TS]

00:58:17   my work here is done you didn't do [TS]

00:58:19   anything did not haha [TS]

00:58:23   yeah I like that uh I like that he he [TS]

00:58:26   became friendly with Zachary Quinto [TS]

00:58:30   actually while they're working on Star [TS]

00:58:31   Trek I thought that was Zachary Quinto a [TS]

00:58:33   nice post today about his friend Leonard [TS]

00:58:35   that I you know that that's gonna be [TS]

00:58:37   weird when we talked about like acting [TS]

00:58:40   against chris pine but it's gonna be [TS]

00:58:42   weird right to be like yeah you're Spock [TS]

00:58:45   now I me I know when we talked about the [TS]

00:58:48   original or know the the JJ Abrams [TS]

00:58:51   reboot movies we talked about the idea [TS]

00:58:55   of trying to transform these characters [TS]

00:58:57   into not one actor one character but [TS]

00:59:00   into you know I think JJ Abrams said [TS]

00:59:02   think of it like Shakespeare that you [TS]

00:59:03   know you got these parts the classic [TS]

00:59:05   parts now you're doing them but if you [TS]

00:59:07   want anymore that had to be very strange [TS]

00:59:09   to see somebody else trying to be mr. [TS]

00:59:11   Spock for the first time and yet you [TS]

00:59:14   know it sounds like they actually bonded [TS]

00:59:17   over being mr. Spock and having to put [TS]

00:59:19   on those years we've seen that that car [TS]

00:59:21   and they did they did a wacky superbowl [TS]

00:59:24   commercial I couldn't tell you what card [TS]

00:59:27   was for now without his vote to your [TS]

00:59:28   mercedes-benz or volkswagen but you know [TS]

00:59:31   as a foreign car but it's delightful in [TS]

00:59:33   the long version of the ads is hilarious [TS]

00:59:36   the two of them are great together [TS]

00:59:38   that's a good one i'm gonna i'm looking [TS]

00:59:40   it up now audi yeah you know that was in [TS]

00:59:42   my head I was the animals audi but I [TS]

00:59:44   couldn't remember for sure it was a good [TS]

00:59:46   and because was effective and it was a [TS]

00:59:48   bad as it wasn't yeah [TS]

00:59:50   as are all the best and we must have [TS]

00:59:52   been weird too because you know Chris [TS]

00:59:53   Pine uh is kind of has the spirit of [TS]

00:59:57   Captain Kirk doesn't look like William [TS]

00:59:58   Shatner all that right exactly [TS]

00:59:58   Shatner all that right exactly [TS]

01:00:00   quinto is like a dead ringer for four [TS]

01:00:02   spot a young leonard nimoy young pretty [TS]

01:00:05   much yeah yeah that must have had an [TS]

01:00:08   extra added awareness weirdness I meant [TS]

01:00:10   well you know you can I have one of [TS]

01:00:14   those situations i read today said you [TS]

01:00:17   know 50 50 years in the business [TS]

01:00:18   basically 50 60 60 years in the business [TS]

01:00:21   I mean depends on where you can't but a [TS]

01:00:23   long long career embraced this character [TS]

01:00:27   was loved and you know it's an iconic [TS]

01:00:30   role you know I i just got I kind of [TS]

01:00:36   can't think of a better life led then [TS]

01:00:38   then Leonard Nimoy's hehe came to terms [TS]

01:00:41   with being part of this cult phenomenon [TS]

01:00:45   and this character that was iconic he [TS]

01:00:48   was able to do his art do his [TS]

01:00:50   photography got to still do some acting [TS]

01:00:55   when he wanted to I don't know III as as [TS]

01:00:59   lives go you gotta you gotta say he he [TS]

01:01:02   did right he didn't heat people like him [TS]

01:01:04   they liked working with him they you [TS]

01:01:07   know it's a he seems to have gotten a [TS]

01:01:10   gotten pretty high score on this thing [TS]

01:01:12   as far as i can tell i can't remember [TS]

01:01:14   who it was i saw tweeting earlier but [TS]

01:01:16   someone said that you know as an artist [TS]

01:01:19   as a person if you measure a person's [TS]

01:01:23   life by how much enjoy they brought to [TS]

01:01:25   how many people his is going to be hard [TS]

01:01:27   to top [TS]

01:01:28   yeah you know Jim Henson yeah right you [TS]

01:01:32   know but but it's there's a certain [TS]

01:01:34   rarefied group why the people who met [TS]

01:01:38   him you know you felt touched by him [TS]

01:01:41   yeah will Wheaton had a beautiful post [TS]

01:01:45   today where he said I didn't get to know [TS]

01:01:47   him he was on the show after i left i [TS]

01:01:49   never really got to know him as a person [TS]

01:01:50   but from everything I've heard everybody [TS]

01:01:53   that I know that I'm very close with [TS]

01:01:56   loved him and then he was he was as [TS]

01:02:00   wonderful as I always hoped he would be [TS]

01:02:02   when I was a little kid watching Star [TS]

01:02:03   Trek I loved his persona on Twitter the [TS]

01:02:05   last few years he was a great tweeter of [TS]

01:02:09   you know and every like everything was [TS]

01:02:11   like a one liner and it all ended [TS]

01:02:12   without [TS]

01:02:13   lopl AP live long and prosper but he was [TS]

01:02:16   he would he did a lot of things like [TS]

01:02:18   listen grandpa [TS]

01:02:19   ok let's move on to your grandfather I'm [TS]

01:02:22   your see if you don't have a grandparent [TS]

01:02:23   i'll be your grandparent [TS]

01:02:25   yeah 3 or 4 years ago was like anyone [TS]

01:02:27   here who wants to make me an honorary [TS]

01:02:28   grandpa go ahead down here I'm here you [TS]

01:02:32   know his final tweet is when is just a [TS]

01:02:34   beautiful thought that no he wins that [TS]

01:02:36   nobody's ever gonna send a better final [TS]

01:02:39   tweet ever [TS]

01:02:40   yeah I I showed it to the [TS]

01:02:42   thirteen-year-old today and and hit me [TS]

01:02:45   just sort of teared up four seconds like [TS]

01:02:47   watching breath of God again like and [TS]

01:02:50   and you know he you know he he wasn't [TS]

01:02:52   really reacting and then it should be [TS]

01:02:53   like oh wow yeah because you know he's [TS]

01:02:57   13 he isn't thinking about things like [TS]

01:02:59   that and he doesn't he doesn't need to [TS]

01:03:01   his final tweet was a life is like a [TS]

01:03:03   garden perfect moments can be had but [TS]

01:03:05   not preserved except in memory [TS]

01:03:08   live long and prosper and he did and he [TS]

01:03:10   did not know it's very sad but at the [TS]

01:03:13   same time I'm like I said light life [TS]

01:03:17   well-lived it's hard you don't want you [TS]

01:03:21   don't let them go and it said that [TS]

01:03:23   they're gone but boy it is so much [TS]

01:03:26   better to to have that Colonel of what a [TS]

01:03:30   great life this person lived and how [TS]

01:03:33   many people they touched and you know [TS]

01:03:36   when i say it can be easily come across [TS]

01:03:38   as fast i when i say something like you [TS]

01:03:39   you know that's pretty high score in [TS]

01:03:41   life but you know that that's my point [TS]

01:03:44   is that that we should all live long [TS]

01:03:48   lives and touches many people and seemed [TS]

01:03:51   to be at such peace and ease with their [TS]

01:03:54   life as Leonard Nimoy was that is that I [TS]

01:03:57   you could not ask for much more than [TS]

01:03:59   that I think I mean he'll he'll live on [TS]

01:04:02   as as you know as people write more fan [TS]

01:04:05   fiction and more things you know like [TS]

01:04:07   Holmes and Watson you're right because [TS]

01:04:09   it's holmes and watson there there [TS]

01:04:11   wasn't a definitive thing to begin with [TS]

01:04:13   it was it all came from the stories but [TS]

01:04:16   with this i mean even even with things [TS]

01:04:19   that are adapted like Harry Potter yeah [TS]

01:04:21   okay there's a lot of harry potter [TS]

01:04:22   fanfiction but you're still starting [TS]

01:04:23   from the books where is in this Yuri [TS]

01:04:26   only when you're writing when you're [TS]

01:04:27   creating a story with these characters [TS]

01:04:29   you're hearing Shatner and Emily yeah [TS]

01:04:31   you know it's you just can't and as good [TS]

01:04:34   as the the new movies are you still hear [TS]

01:04:38   it [TS]

01:04:39   well I mean like I said Zachary Quinto [TS]

01:04:41   is doing Spock right but Spock is [TS]

01:04:44   Leonard Nimoy Spock is a couple was a [TS]

01:04:46   collaborative creation of Leonard Nimoy [TS]

01:04:48   and writers and producers and a lot of [TS]

01:04:52   it was Leonard Nimoy so you know but [TS]

01:04:54   bigger bigger than that even like I you [TS]

01:04:56   we would balance that the character [TS]

01:04:58   Spock had a lot of parents with a lot of [TS]

01:05:01   contributions but the way that that that [TS]

01:05:04   character was implemented on screen was [TS]

01:05:07   one percent Nimoy and then if you just [TS]

01:05:10   think forward that every single actor in [TS]

01:05:14   every single star trek movie or TV show [TS]

01:05:17   that is ever played a Vulcan is doing a [TS]

01:05:20   leonard nimoy for or and out i mean you [TS]

01:05:22   could argue or an outsider figure all we [TS]

01:05:25   were there always is one there are they [TS]

01:05:27   are mr. Spock is hanging over them right [TS]

01:05:30   mr. spot is the one that just will not [TS]

01:05:33   lie i want to give him credit for for [TS]

01:05:35   the the way that Vulcans are the poster [TS]

01:05:37   art real he owns vaccine you see there's [TS]

01:05:40   something there's something there's no [TS]

01:05:41   one person that invented here's here's [TS]

01:05:43   what Klingon sound like and here's how [TS]

01:05:45   they behave and there are so many other [TS]

01:05:48   series and franchises you'll see well [TS]

01:05:51   i'm a member i'm a member of the booboo [TS]

01:05:53   race but hey I'm I'm the energetic one [TS]

01:05:55   that kind of talks like Paul in but our [TS]

01:05:57   McGruff one who kind of talks like this [TS]

01:05:59   he created a template that was so sturdy [TS]

01:06:02   that was like nope this is how you [TS]

01:06:04   define a Vulcan if you do not see if you [TS]

01:06:06   don't make the same choice that he made [TS]

01:06:07   choices that can be applied generation [TS]

01:06:11   after generation in scene after scene [TS]

01:06:13   character character they still work [TS]

01:06:16   I don't I i'm not saying that he was the [TS]

01:06:18   greatest actor who ever lived that's [TS]

01:06:20   such a stupid thing to say about any [TS]

01:06:22   suppurative but i don't think you'll [TS]

01:06:24   find an achievement that is more [TS]

01:06:26   impressive than that great i I my [TS]

01:06:29   impression is I'm impressed because not [TS]

01:06:31   only is it all the physical but so many [TS]

01:06:33   other aspects of his personality that [TS]

01:06:34   you could normally ascribe to well that [TS]

01:06:36   was the way the character was written [TS]

01:06:38   a lot of that came from him too so in [TS]

01:06:40   addition to all the physicality there [TS]

01:06:43   are a lot of other points to but you're [TS]

01:06:44   absolutely right i'm sure that if you're [TS]

01:06:46   Tim or us or with jolene blalock you you [TS]

01:06:49   sat down with mr. Spock with to learn [TS]

01:06:53   how to be a Vulcan right blood since it [TS]

01:06:56   did its always amused me how you know [TS]

01:06:58   you look at all the different alien [TS]

01:06:59   races and Klingons are Klingons and the [TS]

01:07:01   new in Dorian's are in Dorian's and [TS]

01:07:02   there's not really i mean certainly with [TS]

01:07:05   Andorians there's not that much defining [TS]

01:07:06   them except blue and in 10 a right and [TS]

01:07:10   had weird for outfits and with all the [TS]

01:07:14   Vulcans I mean yes you you still get [TS]

01:07:16   mark leonard and you still get jolene [TS]

01:07:19   blalock and you still get some rest and [TS]

01:07:20   their personalities are still there but [TS]

01:07:23   the vab it'sit's exactly its there's [TS]

01:07:26   dishes this essence of Spock to all of [TS]

01:07:29   them that comes through that wouldn't be [TS]

01:07:32   there if it hadn't been rendered morning [TS]

01:07:34   before we go what I have one more story [TS]

01:07:36   to tell which is you know mr. Spock is [TS]

01:07:38   the Vulcan hand gesture and yet it's [TS]

01:07:39   become to recommend or or represent [TS]

01:07:42   Trekkies and trekkers and whatever else [TS]

01:07:44   beats are transported called Star Trek [TS]

01:07:45   fans let's call him that I like that so [TS]

01:07:48   I was on a cruise in hawaii in like 2003 [TS]

01:07:51   i want to say 2002 was the wisdom the [TS]

01:07:53   mac cruise but it was also the same [TS]

01:07:55   cruise ship was a star trek crews and [TS]

01:07:58   the luau that they did the day than the [TS]

01:08:00   night before that the ship took off was [TS]

01:08:02   that took off its not a spaceship its [TS]

01:08:04   sailed away quite a crew with a 17 rise [TS]

01:08:09   of the season space career at the UH the [TS]

01:08:12   so it's like in Hawaii and uh and and he [TS]

01:08:17   was better Ludacris yeah um and so the [TS]

01:08:20   luau beforehand was all the Star Trek [TS]

01:08:22   people and all the the the computer [TS]

01:08:24   people and it was him a cruise and a [TS]

01:08:26   pearl crew there's a whole like think [TS]

01:08:28   lots of nerds were there are various [TS]

01:08:31   kinds and the thing that one thing that [TS]

01:08:34   impressed me the most actually was that [TS]

01:08:36   George Takei was there and when they [TS]

01:08:38   introduced him at the low he stood up [TS]

01:08:40   and he had the huge George Takei smile [TS]

01:08:43   and gave the Vulcan hand signal and part [TS]

01:08:46   of me was like wow that is really a [TS]

01:08:48   symbol of of being a Star Trek fan [TS]

01:08:51   and then the other party was like mr. [TS]

01:08:54   Sulu is not a Vulcan and does not do [TS]

01:08:56   people in the hand symbol [TS]

01:08:58   excuse me mr 2kay but i think i pointed [TS]

01:09:01   out the next morning he did not take [TS]

01:09:03   that fortunately we're in the hot tub so [TS]

01:09:06   we're both very right about two years [TS]

01:09:09   ago they do the the TEDx Broadway which [TS]

01:09:12   is all that theater and Broadway now [TS]

01:09:14   whatever and two years ago I I got to go [TS]

01:09:17   and George Takei was one of the speakers [TS]

01:09:20   and he gets up and he talks about this [TS]

01:09:22   is Japanese internment camps show that [TS]

01:09:25   he wants to bring Broadway and he [TS]

01:09:26   finally is and but he ends it you know [TS]

01:09:29   that there's a little bit of PowerPoint [TS]

01:09:31   but there's not much but the very last [TS]

01:09:33   thing all of a sudden there's the [TS]

01:09:34   enterprise and he just starts into these [TS]

01:09:38   are the voyages of the Starship [TS]

01:09:39   Enterprise and you could tell the the [TS]

01:09:43   trek fans in the audience because they [TS]

01:09:44   all started mouthing it along with him [TS]

01:09:46   yeah he doesn't have the simple and then [TS]

01:09:49   do like a whole bunch of us raise our [TS]

01:09:50   hands and I look over at the the friend [TS]

01:09:54   i went with and and he's doing because I [TS]

01:09:55   could hear him and I just looked at him [TS]

01:09:58   and he looked at me said aren't you [TS]

01:09:59   doing i said i'm doing it silently in my [TS]

01:10:01   head haha shut up you also you know when [TS]

01:10:05   I was something I i wanted to mention i [TS]

01:10:07   forgot to mention it is I'm i talk about [TS]

01:10:10   a journey of a leonard nimoy took from [TS]

01:10:12   rejection to acceptance of Spock and and [TS]

01:10:14   really kind of having it be thinking of [TS]

01:10:17   the good things that brought him and and [TS]

01:10:19   just accepting that that he and Spock [TS]

01:10:21   we're going to be inseparable and that [TS]

01:10:22   was okay and in fact that was good [TS]

01:10:25   so in galaxy quest dr. Lazarus it's it [TS]

01:10:33   is Leonard Nimoy's story in fast-forward [TS]

01:10:36   because essentially the alan rickman [TS]

01:10:39   character Alexander Dane he is a [TS]

01:10:42   classically trained actor likely anymore [TS]

01:10:45   was a stage actor and he gets in the [TS]

01:10:47   silly TV show and now everybody is [TS]

01:10:49   spouting philosophy to him and he [TS]

01:10:51   rejects it and he thinks it's ridiculous [TS]

01:10:53   and by the end he has that touching [TS]

01:10:55   moment with a with the thermium who dies [TS]

01:10:57   and and says that you know I've lived my [TS]

01:10:59   life yet by your teachings and i would [TS]

01:11:01   this is an important philosophy to me [TS]

01:11:02   and he has that memory says this is [TS]

01:11:04   really important to people and make [TS]

01:11:05   and it matters in their lives and that [TS]

01:11:06   means I matter in their lives and I have [TS]

01:11:08   to respect that and that and he turns at [TS]

01:11:10   that moment and it really it really [TS]

01:11:12   changes that character type of the of [TS]

01:11:15   the actor playing the park to understand [TS]

01:11:17   how much it meant and i always see that [TS]

01:11:19   as being the letter anymore journey in a [TS]

01:11:22   in a compressed time frame and it is my [TS]

01:11:26   favorite thing in galaxy quest is that [TS]

01:11:28   is that scene where he realizes over the [TS]

01:11:32   dying alien that this silly thing that [TS]

01:11:34   he's been disparaging really matters to [TS]

01:11:36   people it really is part of the immense [TS]

01:11:38   burden that Nimoy and the rest of those [TS]

01:11:41   like a line characters have that even if [TS]

01:11:44   they have come to peace with the show [TS]

01:11:47   even if they truly love this show [TS]

01:11:49   they can never fully appreciate that [TS]

01:11:51   every time they have 30 seconds with a [TS]

01:11:53   fan that can be such a momentous time [TS]

01:11:57   for that person they have no idea there [TS]

01:11:58   are people who were going to kill [TS]

01:12:00   themselves that found the strength to [TS]

01:12:02   move forward because a while but what if [TS]

01:12:05   I were the star trek universe with my [TS]

01:12:07   character do what would Spock do what [TS]

01:12:08   would overlook McCoy do that the this [TS]

01:12:12   fandom can have good aspects to it and [TS]

01:12:14   bad aspects to it but there's some [TS]

01:12:15   people who have very unfortunate who [TS]

01:12:18   that is the thing that they cling to the [TS]

01:12:20   gives them that tether to reality [TS]

01:12:23   despite the fact that it's fiction and [TS]

01:12:25   that burden that these actors have to [TS]

01:12:27   know that I can I don't care how tired I [TS]

01:12:29   am I have to give this person a smile [TS]

01:12:31   after shake their hand when i get a [TS]

01:12:33   letter from somebody i might be getting [TS]

01:12:34   a letter that is just absolutely [TS]

01:12:36   shocking and pushed me this horrible [TS]

01:12:38   position of i have a choice a or choice [TS]

01:12:40   be either one of them will cause a [TS]

01:12:43   reparable harm to this person if I screw [TS]

01:12:45   it up [TS]

01:12:46   I cannot imagine a nearby and maybe some [TS]

01:12:50   of us have in this position because we [TS]

01:12:52   write so much for so many things [TS]

01:12:53   sometimes you'll get an email from [TS]

01:12:56   somebody or a letter from somebody that [TS]

01:12:57   refers to something that you've even [TS]

01:13:00   completely forgot you said that you know [TS]

01:13:02   that really came with the absolute right [TS]

01:13:04   time and it really helped me out a lot [TS]

01:13:05   and I'm like I had no idea that these [TS]

01:13:09   around with a casual gesture that I [TS]

01:13:11   could even have that kind of power to do [TS]

01:13:13   that for millions and millions of people [TS]

01:13:16   i do not understand what [TS]

01:13:17   That Bird must have been like for that [TS]

01:13:19   man one especially I you know you always [TS]

01:13:21   hear the stories of Martin Luther King [TS]

01:13:23   encouraged and she'll locals to stay on [TS]

01:13:25   the show and be an example but how many [TS]

01:13:28   people haven't said that about Spock [TS]

01:13:31   right i know a lot of of people who use [TS]

01:13:35   and you know what I was an outsider or I [TS]

01:13:37   was an outcast or I was a different [TS]

01:13:39   ethnicity in in the school I went to [TS]

01:13:42   and.and spot gave me the strength to be [TS]

01:13:44   there to be the smart person off to the [TS]

01:13:47   side i could be cerebral in you know or [TS]

01:13:50   you like wilwheaton was saying in his in [TS]

01:13:52   his post when when they played on the [TS]

01:13:56   playground he would he would eventually [TS]

01:13:57   talk the kids into playing Star Trek and [TS]

01:13:59   they didn't always want to and and but [TS]

01:14:01   he didn't want to be kirky always wanted [TS]

01:14:03   to be Spock because he could be the [TS]

01:14:05   cerebral weird kid that he was normally [TS]

01:14:09   right now and and you don't hear about [TS]

01:14:12   that because you know who even thinks [TS]

01:14:16   about that who would think to say that [TS]

01:14:17   is a I identified with spot because of [TS]

01:14:20   this and this was a powerful thing for [TS]

01:14:23   TV in 1967 it's a little bit of our [TS]

01:14:26   cultural history it's a little bit of [TS]

01:14:28   our childhood and yeah I don't know what [TS]

01:14:32   else to say I think he lived a great [TS]

01:14:34   life and left a great legacy and we'll [TS]

01:14:36   miss him and we will always have mr. [TS]

01:14:38   Spock I would like to thank my guests [TS]

01:14:41   for taking some time to talk to me about [TS]

01:14:42   this this iconic character in this life [TS]

01:14:45   well-led David lower thank you for being [TS]

01:14:47   here thank you as always and Enoch oh [TS]

01:14:50   thanks so much for joining us tonight [TS]

01:14:52   young ND at some point you're going to [TS]

01:14:54   ask an intern at mac user how to try to [TS]

01:14:57   do HTML [TS]

01:14:58   this will start a relationship that will [TS]

01:14:59   be very fruitful to both of you for the [TS]

01:15:00   rest of our lives and i encourage you to [TS]

01:15:02   pursue it a little message to young Andy [TS]

01:15:04   and Scott melty thank you thank you for [TS]

01:15:10   having me on you you can go back to your [TS]

01:15:11   random track now where you will tear up [TS]

01:15:14   a little bit perhaps the next time you [TS]

01:15:15   get a classic series episode that's [TS]

01:15:17   right i'm thinking of doing a special [TS]

01:15:19   random traveling is non-random that [TS]

01:15:20   would be great [TS]

01:15:22   yeah that would be awesome although it [TS]

01:15:24   break all formats and all the random [TS]

01:15:26   track listings be like once got doing [TS]

01:15:27   this madman but I think you've got [TS]

01:15:29   righteous what just just shave your [TS]

01:15:31   beard goatee for the purpose of work [TS]

01:15:34   it's a mirrors got rid of a specific [TS]

01:15:36   that's right i like it in the mirror [TS]

01:15:39   universe it's all chosen ahead of time [TS]

01:15:41   as two hosts and one of them must kill [TS]

01:15:43   the other by the end of the fun yes kill [TS]

01:15:45   us both spot put them in the agony booth [TS]

01:15:48   thanks to everybody out there for [TS]

01:15:50   listening to this special episode of the [TS]

01:15:51   uncomfortable we will be back next week [TS]

01:15:53   with a regular episode that probably [TS]

01:15:55   will be about Star Wars so set your set [TS]

01:15:58   your phasers on stun and your glass [TS]

01:16:01   shatters too full [TS]

01:16:03   that's right I'll of Babylon 5 what you [TS]

01:16:07   look like a panda in a session [TS]

01:16:09   ceremonial dagger I think he carried [TS]

01:16:12   that off thats wearing right now and [TS]

01:16:13   nothing else [TS]

01:16:14   oh my i guess i'll say it [TS]

01:16:18   live long and prosper we'll see you next [TS]

01:16:21   time [TS]

01:16:22   space the final frontier [TS]

01:16:28   these are the voyages of the Starship [TS]

01:16:30   Enterprise [TS]

01:16:33   your ongoing mission to explore strange [TS]

01:16:35   new worlds to seek out new life-forms [TS]

01:16:39   and new civilizations to boldly go where [TS]

01:16:44   no one has gone [TS]

01:17:32   stargate sg-1 the science fiction TV [TS]

01:17:36   series its finite universe the original [TS]

01:17:40   tron the 1989 film The Wizard starring [TS]

01:17:44   Fred Savage last action hero [TS]

01:17:47   Tosh but I read everything I could get [TS]

01:17:49   my hands on on from analysis to backlash [TS]

01:17:53   and eventually I was like you know why [TS]

01:17:55   don't i just read it i love to show a [TS]

01:17:57   lot and I feel like it's not even in the [TS]

01:17:59   conversation and when it comes up it's [TS]

01:18:01   just people don't even want to bring it [TS]

01:18:03   up so you buried the lead that Fred [TS]

01:18:05   Savage [TS]

01:18:06   but but I really think a lot of it came [TS]

01:18:08   from the fact that kids starting this [TS]

01:18:10   move it rode on the coattails of we're [TS]

01:18:13   going to see this movie that you see [TS]

01:18:14   super mario brothers 30 really audiences [TS]

01:18:17   did not like it they thought it was [TS]

01:18:18   weird it to this day only has I think a [TS]

01:18:22   star and a half on netflix this was [TS]

01:18:24   actually very difficult for me I nearly [TS]

01:18:27   took a taylor swift's new album 1989 no [TS]

01:18:30   no now I have to go out and find [TS]

01:18:32   somebody who loves it right i mean [TS]

01:18:34   that's what you hear but you know why [TS]

01:18:36   don't you ask a woman about them for [TS]

01:18:37   real you know if it so hang on let's [TS]

01:18:39   rewind a minute here because we have [TS]

01:18:41   gotten quite in-depth quite quickly and [TS]

01:18:43   and I realized that he hates you too for [TS]

01:18:47   the same reason that I hated the rolling [TS]

01:18:50   stones by any objective measure the [TS]

01:18:53   wizard is not a great movie it's not [TS]

01:18:55   even a good movie it's barely competent [TS]

01:18:58   if you want to look at this as a [TS]

01:19:00   commedia dell'arte style presentation of [TS]

01:19:03   tropes it succeeds admirably pepper and [TS]

01:19:07   then they called him and they said well [TS]

01:19:08   you know you're cheaper than a linear [TS]

01:19:10   committee will you do it [TS]

01:19:11   that is crazy i hadn't i didn't know [TS]

01:19:13   that all these that's wonderful really [TS]

01:19:16   amazing they put they put bowling balls [TS]

01:19:18   they were falling balls in in a video [TS]

01:19:21   game and put it in a bowling alley [TS]

01:19:22   because that makes it fun is underrated [TS]

01:19:25   all this and more starting monday [TS]

01:19:29   marriage second on the meantime purple [TS]

01:19:32   network [TS]