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0:00:00the in tom parental number 236 februari

0:00:092015 welcome back everybody to the

0:00:13incomparable i'm your host Jason L this

0:00:15is something that we didn't plan but we

0:00:17record this on Friday februari 27 2015

0:00:20and woke up this morning or just as I

0:00:23was sitting down to work this morning to

0:00:25the news that Leonard Nimoy mr. Spock to

0:00:29us all passed away today and you know it

0:00:34took some time to process it and thought

0:00:35maybe we could get some people together

0:00:37and talk about him a little bit for a

0:00:39special episode of the podcast and so

0:00:42that is what you're listening to now

0:00:44joining me to talk about it are my my

0:00:49pals they're here with me now David

0:00:51Laura hello i am I gotta say this is not

0:00:55the way to bank episodes and get a hit

0:00:57on episodes but we can do you know it

0:01:00definitely was worth talking about your

0:01:03cat rummaging through things now my cat

0:01:05is ribbon cup caper

0:01:07oh that's he's nesting he's nesting

0:01:10ruiner of podcast the cats see lots of

0:01:13p'kat just is kind enough to just poop

0:01:15in the room that you singing quietly

0:01:18also also with us

0:01:20indian taco hi Andy I have a cat free

0:01:24silence that is sometimes like a close

0:01:26to him

0:01:27that's interesting I I Lord is the sound

0:01:29of no cats playing very soon always it's

0:01:33actually it's not so much i have no cats

0:01:34i have cat and no cat in opposite hands

0:01:37at the same time one of them is dead and

0:01:39is alive

0:01:40yea indeed and also of course we're

0:01:43talking about things really start Trek

0:01:44Scott McNulty has has has pulled himself

0:01:47out of his sickbed to join us hi Scott

0:01:50well I wish it was a better topic kind

0:01:52of a happier topic i should say but I'm

0:01:54happy to be here so you know I don't

0:01:57obviously we don't have a really really

0:01:59plan here i am maybe a good place to

0:02:02start would beat it for for everybody to

0:02:04talk about what

0:02:07you know what mr. Spock or Leonard Nimoy

0:02:10or both meant to them i think that i

0:02:12think that might be a nice way to to

0:02:14remember him at least it's a start i'll

0:02:16point out just going first my I can't

0:02:21remember i said this in previous pockets

0:02:23i can't remember life before Star Trek

0:02:24and I was thinking about today I can't

0:02:26remember life before knowing Star Trek

0:02:29like you know like every episode cold I

0:02:32I remember I can't remember seeing a

0:02:35star trek episode and thinking oh I

0:02:37don't know what happens in this one I

0:02:38just have no memory of that this is it

0:02:41was a fundamental part of my my

0:02:44childhood and obviously mr. Spock was a

0:02:47huge part of that and it's uh so on on

0:02:52that level yeah it part of this is me

0:02:53thinking back to my childhood and and

0:02:56losing a person who was a very important

0:03:00part of it because that was just it

0:03:02affected me so much to have a dead star

0:03:05trek and Kirk and Spock McCoy were just

0:03:07they were friends they were they were

0:03:08people I looked up to there were people

0:03:10I model myself after on the on the

0:03:12playground right i mean it pretty pretty

0:03:15dramatic and then through the years

0:03:16through the the Star Trek films when I

0:03:17was a teenager and you know through his

0:03:20appearances in various things even as

0:03:24recently as a couple years ago just

0:03:27somebody that I I thought we could talk

0:03:29about this a little more later I got

0:03:31handled the fact that he was going to be

0:03:34he had a great luck of being attached to

0:03:37this amazing character and as an actor I

0:03:39think the misfortune in a way of being

0:03:42attached to such as an indelible

0:03:43character and yet I think he wore it

0:03:45well and embraced the fact that he was

0:03:49going to be associated with this

0:03:51character and of all the characters to

0:03:53be associated with pretty good one so

0:03:55but definitely I'm definitely an

0:03:57emotional moment this morning in hearing

0:03:59I mean we heard that he had been taken

0:04:00to the hospital and and not a lot more

0:04:02after that my thought that's you know

0:04:04that's and I've been there I've been my

0:04:06father was a born the same year is

0:04:08Leonard Nimoy only a couple months

0:04:09earlier and had COPD just like Leonard

0:04:12Nimoy and that that earlier this week

0:04:15when we heard the story that he had been

0:04:16taking the hospital I had that moment of

0:04:17like I this I know what's going to

0:04:20happen

0:04:21I that I've been in that place where his

0:04:22family was and so still very sad to

0:04:24receive the news

0:04:26Scott what about you with you what's

0:04:28your what's your story of how you

0:04:30discovered in and and and interacted

0:04:34with monday morning mr. Spock out well I

0:04:37i think he was around before i

0:04:38discovered him but uh huh well not a

0:04:41talent scout with the time machine

0:04:43clearly and using this tool kit Lenny

0:04:45from Boston he's going places you go and

0:04:47places kid it's easier that don't ask

0:04:49any questions

0:04:50well I've been just like you I think

0:04:52Jason we've talked about this before i

0:04:54also don't remember a time in my life

0:04:57where I wasn't a Star Trek fan and I was

0:05:00asking my mom about this couple weeks

0:05:01ago and she said well you're always

0:05:03watching Star Trek I don't know when you

0:05:05started but she wasn't a Star Trek fan

0:05:07so I think it was just you know in

0:05:09syndication forever probably on channel

0:05:1211 in New York and I would watch it over

0:05:14and over again and of course I mean you

0:05:16know Spock is kirk and spock right they

0:05:20have this great friendship Spock plays

0:05:23this kind of outsider that probably

0:05:26appeals to many people move fine and

0:05:28affiliation with startrack I can paint

0:05:30with a broad broad but brush and say

0:05:33that maybe some of the fans of structure

0:05:35our little nerdy and maybe feel slightly

0:05:37outcast especially in you know grammar

0:05:41school and and that kind of thing and

0:05:43you find this character Spock who has a

0:05:46you know he isn't unlike everybody else

0:05:49in the bridge but he is still respected

0:05:53and get this job done and so I mean it i

0:05:56think that that is part of the reason

0:05:58that Spock so popular

0:06:00and and why he appealed to me so much I

0:06:03don't know if Spock is my my favorite

0:06:05certain character but certainly he's

0:06:07near the top

0:06:08Andy about you I wasn't as a kid I

0:06:11wasn't a huge Star Trek fan but I was

0:06:14definitely a spark fan if that makes

0:06:17sense it was whenever I was watching

0:06:19that show it was always to see Leonard

0:06:21Nimoy seen Senate and I think it's

0:06:23because of its later in life when you're

0:06:26an adult you have a little bit of a

0:06:28wider awareness of how TV and how movies

0:06:32work you really appreciate why your

0:06:34attention is drawn to Nimoy because

0:06:36you've got that you've got the

0:06:38triumvirate of Spock McCoy and kirk and

0:06:41Kirk is being that is being Shatner and

0:06:45microrna has fortunes or injury and

0:06:47white dress and Spock is the button

0:06:49who's quiet and they have to do they

0:06:51have to build his levels up but always

0:06:53pause a little bit he will react

0:06:55sometimes not by saying anything but

0:06:57simply giving a glancing an eyebrow

0:06:59eyebrow because that's all you need to

0:07:02do sometimes and he really was for me

0:07:05like the anchor that entire show and

0:07:07everything that else has been said is I

0:07:09was completely because you're sort of

0:07:11gravity you sort of gravitate toward

0:07:12these people you identify the the one in

0:07:15any group that is not like all the

0:07:17others and the ones who can not only is

0:07:20it doesn't have to pretend to be like

0:07:22the rest i can even openly say I will

0:07:25never understand you people ever

0:07:27there's a i wish i wish i could

0:07:29understand why you behave the way you do

0:07:31I don't and but I'm still going to work

0:07:33with you i'm still going to call you my

0:07:34friends but let's acknowledge that

0:07:35there's that there's there's there's

0:07:37parts of these puzzles that I will never

0:07:39ever figure out and here's somebody on

0:07:41TV aleve roll into on TV say that

0:07:44explicitly for a lot of for a lot of

0:07:47people who are fans of Star Trek myself

0:07:49included really that you really can

0:07:52gravitate towards that character David

0:07:54whereby you

0:07:54yeah i'm right with the I can't remember

0:07:57a time before ya before Star Trek you

0:08:01know I had the action figures when I was

0:08:03three or four whatever and that i would

0:08:06i would make up my own stories with the

0:08:09enterprise playset and I made up my own

0:08:11it came with cards

0:08:13for the viewscreen right you had three

0:08:15cards with two pictures one on each side

0:08:17and you can hang them up on the view

0:08:18screen and make your adventures I would

0:08:20make my own cards so I had 30 cause I'm

0:08:24all these adventures and you know that

0:08:28was that's that's the earliest i can

0:08:31remember making original stories you

0:08:34know I mean I came to New i was going to

0:08:36be a writer

0:08:37anyway but that when i think back you

0:08:39know what's the earliest thing I

0:08:40remember writing that was it and I read

0:08:44a really really good piece today by

0:08:46Jamie weinman from Maclean's magazine in

0:08:49canada and he said that there was just

0:08:53something about Spock and something

0:08:56about what Nimoy imbued spoke with that

0:09:00wasn't on the page it wasn't in

0:09:02Roddenberry's original version you know

0:09:04it wasn't this red-skinned Martian with

0:09:06a hot temper like the original concept

0:09:09or or you know and and really any of the

0:09:11original pilot right by the women and

0:09:14women and there's just something about

0:09:17whatever it was that he brought to the

0:09:20character and and made it his own that

0:09:23we on the outside wanted to write

0:09:26fanfiction we wanted to to uncover the

0:09:30rest of his story we wanted him and Kirk

0:09:32to be more than just friends perhaps

0:09:35depending on the fedex and writers don't

0:09:38want that and you know I can't think of

0:09:41a mean you can you can look back it

0:09:43famous teams right you know the Lone

0:09:47Ranger and Tonto and Holmes and Watson

0:09:48but i cannot always really equal the way

0:09:53Kirk and Spock are and they don't always

0:09:55have a third like McCoy I was always

0:09:57thought of them as as as the three right

0:10:00I can't quite it's the balance isn't

0:10:02right without any one of those three and

0:10:06but but there's just something about

0:10:08them that inspired this kind of

0:10:12outpouring of fan fiction and this you

0:10:15know the letter-writing campaigns and

0:10:16the conventions in the syndication and

0:10:18and imagine the serendipity of that you

0:10:21know if if they had cast martin landau

0:10:23as Spock he would have been really good

0:10:26sure cuz he's Martin Landau what would

0:10:28have been the same women who've you know

0:10:31there's just something about the alchemy

0:10:33of those three actors in those three

0:10:35roles that sparked something and we all

0:10:39wanted to tell stories with them so I i

0:10:41just read the volume one of these are

0:10:44the voyages which I know Scott is red

0:10:46but i have not read i do you buy here

0:10:48Scott has it and you should read it and

0:10:50because it's good i've bought it now

0:10:51mark Cushman's book that is again I

0:10:55hesitated to read these books because I

0:10:57thought that they would be you know sort

0:10:58of fannish like behind the scenes of

0:11:01crazy things that happened on Star Trek

0:11:02and they're not these are I think these

0:11:05are gonna end up being the source

0:11:06material like these are well-researched

0:11:08history with is it history books about

0:11:12star trek with lots of great tidbits but

0:11:14it really is not it is unflinching about

0:11:17the details and it is absolutely true

0:11:20that Spock was a character that started

0:11:24as a sketch by Gene Roddenberry this

0:11:26half Martian Redskin character that

0:11:28ended up being for various reasons

0:11:29including just the way that color played

0:11:32on black and white TVs ended up having

0:11:35the complexion that he had and having

0:11:37that in a collaboration between

0:11:38Roddenberry and Leonard Nimoy and

0:11:43Leonard Nimoy and the various directors

0:11:45like that the spotting neck pinch came

0:11:47and I believable the Vulcan hand salute

0:11:50came from expediency while shooting

0:11:53scenes they were at endlessly behind and

0:11:56stand leonard nimoy said I don't need to

0:11:58punch this guy don't think pot Spock

0:12:00would punch him he would just like to a

0:12:01little alien thing and they invented the

0:12:03famous Spock neck pinch from that and

0:12:07then Dorothy Fontana who is a fantastic

0:12:11star of these books because you you

0:12:14discovered what what the fortitude she

0:12:15must have had to go from being thought

0:12:18of as gene roddenberry secretary to

0:12:20essentially being the best writer on the

0:12:23series and the responsible for so much

0:12:25of it you know she she invented lots of

0:12:28Vulcan stuff too so this character built

0:12:31over time but what's also fascinating

0:12:33that's a very spot word fascinating is

0:12:36that it was clear from the very

0:12:39beginning

0:12:40and you know there's a lot of stories

0:12:42about some NBC executives and get rid of

0:12:44the guy with the years but the executive

0:12:45who worked with Desilu on the first

0:12:47season of of of star trek from the start

0:12:50was saying oh you got it you got to give

0:12:53me more spot to use a line from a doctor

0:12:55who episode give me more spot because it

0:12:58was just clear that this character was

0:13:00different and interesting and I think

0:13:03David that dynamic of the eventually the

0:13:06trio because they they went through

0:13:07several episodes before they they

0:13:09brought in deforest kelley that that was

0:13:13the thing that made this character made

0:13:18the show work was like Spock Spock added

0:13:21something to a traditional action hero

0:13:24and maybe his traditional sort of

0:13:25confidant that was not something we had

0:13:28seen before and it really was the magic

0:13:30that made that thing work

0:13:31oh yeah and and very few things have

0:13:34been able to duplicate that even just

0:13:36the the template of it you know I i was

0:13:39thinking about the man from uncle

0:13:40earlier today and thinking about you

0:13:43know okay here again is here your

0:13:45conflict between the American spy in the

0:13:46Russian spy and they they butt heads

0:13:48sometimes but they're they're a team and

0:13:50they work together and and they're

0:13:52probably gonna draw that out more in the

0:13:54new movie based on the trailer but it's

0:13:57still not quite the same you you never

0:13:59saw Napoleon solo and Illya Kuryakin

0:14:01argue about tactics and argue about

0:14:04morality the way you saw Kirk and Spock

0:14:07you didn't see that in in light action

0:14:09shows in the sixties and i remember when

0:14:13i when i started paying attention meet

0:14:15again I always you know i'm just like

0:14:18you i had the the there's never been a

0:14:20time where I went

0:14:21hey I don't know this episode right

0:14:23except with the animated show maybe and

0:14:25even then it's more that I've forgotten

0:14:27them instead of seeing them over and

0:14:29over again every year but i remember

0:14:32when i started paying attention to

0:14:33things like credits and writing credits

0:14:36and cast credits and and being very

0:14:39confused that the first season DeForest

0:14:41Kelley isn't in the opening credits

0:14:43right it's just shatter Nimoy and that

0:14:45just seemed wrong

0:14:47so yeah they're the it's amazing how

0:14:52that came together a triumvirate I mean

0:14:54you could argue i mean some of some of

0:14:56this is is that time for it was was the

0:14:59magic the magic sauce the secret sauce

0:15:02and and even in DJ movies you can see

0:15:04with different actors like boy that is a

0:15:06powerful set of characters and having

0:15:08them the way they complement and

0:15:10critique one another is really powerful

0:15:12great regardless of who's playing them

0:15:15but you know that doesn't give enough

0:15:16credit to the fact that Spock as we have

0:15:19as we see him is a product of leonard

0:15:22nimoy and Dorothy Fontana and Gene

0:15:25Roddenberry and gene kuhn and a bunch of

0:15:27other people who made the original Star

0:15:30Trek um I wanted to talk a little bit

0:15:34about how the other reasons why we why

0:15:39why do we find Spock so iconic because

0:15:41this is one of those things that this is

0:15:42a show that's been that Air 249 almost

0:15:46coming up 50 49 years ago and I'm to

0:15:50this day I in some ways even with all

0:15:54the series of the past in the meantime

0:15:56of startrack mr. Spock there's just

0:15:59something about mr. Spock that that Star

0:16:01Trek is mr. Spock in some ways like if

0:16:03you had to boil it down to one thing it

0:16:05would be a picture mr. Spock probably

0:16:07from a mock time giving the Vulcan hand

0:16:09gesture that would kind of be the

0:16:10boiling down of star trek to one thing

0:16:12why is that Scott you know why why why

0:16:16does it come back to Spock

0:16:18well i think a lot of credit goes to let

0:16:20Nimoy and his performance but also if

0:16:23you think about it Spock has a lot of

0:16:24catch phrases and things that are easy

0:16:26to replicate right you can do a little

0:16:28the hand sign you can say live long and

0:16:31prosper a pass and you have a

0:16:33fascinating interests of the eyebrow

0:16:36lift right so there's a lot of ideas and

0:16:40I learned to do that because i wanted to

0:16:42do that like mr. spot

0:16:43see there you know I think that's part

0:16:45of me that's not the only reason I think

0:16:47that's part of what makes the character

0:16:48so attractive if you want to pretend try

0:16:51to pretend that you are someone on the

0:16:54enterprise

0:16:55I guess you could like punch someone and

0:16:57pretend you're camping with the OEM

0:16:58together

0:16:59and hit him in the back do that back

0:17:01exactly where you live long and prosper

0:17:02right reasons Scottish accent but that's

0:17:05hard it is hard so yeah I mean yeah I

0:17:10think I think that's true he is I think

0:17:12that's why when I say why is spike Spock

0:17:14so iconic that is one of the reasons

0:17:16right is that he has things he says and

0:17:18that nobody else says he's got the ears

0:17:19and he's got the raised eyebrow and all

0:17:22of these things that that were this

0:17:24collaboration from all those people

0:17:26it is also interesting and Scott since

0:17:29you take these voyages every week with

0:17:31random track every star trek show I feel

0:17:33like has a spot like like that was the

0:17:35one thing that that was very clear is

0:17:38say what you will about the feature the

0:17:40the future star trek series every single

0:17:43one of them has at least one spot figure

0:17:45you can't have a star trek without an

0:17:48outsider who is intrigued by the human

0:17:51condition

0:17:52you can't write because that lets the

0:17:53writers you know kind of telegraph

0:17:56things about the human condition and

0:17:57makes an easy hook for them to you know

0:18:00have a character react to the wacky

0:18:02things these humans are doing what I my

0:18:05theory about why Spock indoors where I

0:18:08mean data and odo and warfare wonderful

0:18:11and I love them too but you know when to

0:18:16call when Tuvok and seven behind all the

0:18:19other spot care is further out but LOL

0:18:21the other Vulcans are just doing their

0:18:23just rights back

0:18:24yeah that's right that's right but it

0:18:26but yeah it's sort of like we don't have

0:18:28androids we don't have Klingons we don't

0:18:30have shapeshifters but except for the

0:18:33ears spot could pass for human right

0:18:36right we know people like Spock

0:18:39yeah he's really know people like data

0:18:40and at o2 but they look to alien to us

0:18:44but spock he just puts on a stocking cap

0:18:47and and if anyone notices they go oh it

0:18:50was a race parent or a headband made

0:18:52from ripping off part of a robe in Star

0:18:55Trek for which is also hard to do

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0:20:56the show gave Spock the dignity of

0:20:59private identity that data has spent

0:21:03almost the entire series say i don't

0:21:05want to be an android I want to be a

0:21:06human not going to put myself in danger

0:21:08and willing to destabilize myself

0:21:10because I must must must be more human

0:21:12as opposed to just being Who I am and

0:21:15there's just something so powerful and

0:21:17so

0:21:18I want to say mesmerizing but once it

0:21:21that so magnetic about the person who is

0:21:24clearly very confident who they are very

0:21:26pleased with who they are willing to is

0:21:28willing to participate in a world that

0:21:30don't belong in but i don't have to be

0:21:33anything other than a volcom I'll of

0:21:35data but data story is one of somebody

0:21:38who wants to assimilate yes not in the

0:21:41board way i should say we're talking

0:21:43about Star Trek but but Spock Spock

0:21:46doesn't want to do that right Spock and

0:21:48I know that he's been a a source of of

0:21:52of pride and and somebody that people

0:21:55have looked to as a as a as an important

0:21:58figure because he's an outsider but also

0:22:02spoke is proud of who he is and although

0:22:04it's problematic and he has this great

0:22:07tension between his humanity and his

0:22:09Vulcan pneus Spock is not trying to be

0:22:13human i mean sometimes trying to be

0:22:14Vulcan which is interesting from the

0:22:16perspective of of us humans that he's

0:22:18trying to reject the parts of him who r

0:22:20us but that's a very different

0:22:22combination of traits than something

0:22:25like data who really desperately is so

0:22:27eager to please to be I'm gonna good Joe

0:22:30Piscopo to teach me how to tell jokes

0:22:31and Spock you know spot does we want to

0:22:35see and be human and he does not want to

0:22:37do it and I I think that's part of the

0:22:39magic of it right there there's that

0:22:41tension that we want to see him break we

0:22:43we love that moment in this side of

0:22:46paradise where he's laughing he's

0:22:48laughing that's not spot yeah but it is

0:22:51Spock right

0:22:53the other thing is almost all of them

0:22:56except for Spock they're all justifying

0:22:59their existence we're trying to figure

0:23:01out who they are right

0:23:02oh doesn't know where he comes from at

0:23:04the bit at the beginning of deep space

0:23:05nine right data has to prove that he's

0:23:08worth that that he's not just a robot is

0:23:11a court case and back and in the course

0:23:12of sites and president of you know seven

0:23:16of nine has to reclaim her humanity and

0:23:19and discover who she was and recover

0:23:21those memories where spot knows who he

0:23:23is and that's just who he is and you

0:23:26have to deal with it but he still has

0:23:27that struggle of

0:23:29if his human half and his woman that

0:23:30right and yeah like I was saying he's

0:23:32gonna projected his human half and he's

0:23:34much like Worf right Worf raised by

0:23:36humans and then he his reaction is I'm

0:23:38going to be super Klingon of and

0:23:41embossed germs and yea right assist yeah

0:23:44that started with Spock being you know

0:23:46I'm half human but i'm going to be a

0:23:47super volcano going to be the most

0:23:48Vulcan Vulcan that you can Vulcan

0:23:50because i'm gonna show these people i

0:23:53was reading am Star Trek fan club scan

0:23:56that somebody put it put post on Twitter

0:23:59day that was written by a girl who is a

0:24:03red eye black parent a white parent and

0:24:06was saying you know I feel like I

0:24:08understand

0:24:09Spock's the xbox situation and on one

0:24:13level again this is the one of the great

0:24:15appeals of Spock is that he is an

0:24:17outsider and if you feel outside of

0:24:19society in anyway whether it's because

0:24:22you're a geek kind of person or whether

0:24:23because it's something much more

0:24:25complicated and difficult than that in

0:24:27you know late sixties America especially

0:24:29but you know forever

0:24:31this is this is a character who can

0:24:33appeal to you but what really struck me

0:24:35about is the way he described and this

0:24:38is just Leonard Nimoy sort of with his

0:24:40own internal backstory about what

0:24:41motivates Spock saying that when Spock

0:24:44was a child you know growing up on

0:24:46Vulcan hehe dealt with those same issues

0:24:48and I thought that was fascinating

0:24:49because those those scenes are in JJ

0:24:53Abrams Star Trek we see young spock

0:24:56being really brutally mistreated by

0:25:01other Vulcans because he's not a real

0:25:02Vulcan and that has led me to a greater

0:25:06appreciation of that character actually

0:25:07but I was shocked to find that it's all

0:25:10there in Leonard Nimoy's assumptions

0:25:12about who Spock is in the sixties that

0:25:16he was horribly treated by the other

0:25:19Vulcans when he was a kid and then it's

0:25:20and then to see it writ large in the JJ

0:25:23movie really made me appreciate that I

0:25:25think that JJ Abrams Star Trek goes

0:25:26along it it i mean that's a movie about

0:25:29Spock that isn't the smoke is that you

0:25:31could argue that Zachary Quinto Spock in

0:25:33that structure movie is the main

0:25:34character and if you throw in Leonard

0:25:36Nimoy on top of it it's really a movie

0:25:38about Spock and how

0:25:39you know finding Kirk helps set him on

0:25:42the right course and but it does a lot

0:25:45for Spock character which i think is

0:25:46unexpected

0:25:47I didn't expect well and and some of

0:25:49that is in the yesteryear Animated

0:25:52episode by DC from santa ana which you

0:25:55know is this box childhood and again

0:25:57mockery and wanting to run away and

0:26:00which is a wonderful I mean there are

0:26:03some good episodes of the animated show

0:26:05that's the only 1i would put up with the

0:26:06rest and I think everybody with would

0:26:08say that that's like will count

0:26:11Scott you can you can put that one in

0:26:12your spreadsheet friend req just out i

0:26:15will do it now

0:26:16no I don't stick to the rolling plains

0:26:19yeah slippery sits good slippery's um

0:26:23let's see what else did I want to talk

0:26:25about and we should talk about what we

0:26:26talked about the the original series a

0:26:29lot i'd like to talk a little bit about

0:26:31the the movies it's a obviously Clemens

0:26:35had a fraught relationship I think he

0:26:37came to terms with it after a long time

0:26:39but of course obviously in the seventies

0:26:40he wrote I'm not Spock he tried to

0:26:44distance himself from the part my

0:26:46understanding is that he was he refused

0:26:48to be in the phase two series they were

0:26:51going to do in the seventies and the guy

0:26:54who the Vulcan who dies in the horrible

0:26:56transporter accident Star Trek the

0:26:58motion picture is essentially the

0:26:59character that would have been the spock

0:27:01replacement if that had been a series

0:27:03but since it was a movie and Leonard

0:27:06Nimoy agreed to be in it then they wrote

0:27:08Spock back into it but you know and then

0:27:10he told him to kill him and star trek to

0:27:11which is funny because then he obviously

0:27:13thought better of it after surgery to

0:27:15was so good but it does lead to some of

0:27:18the most amazing i mean if we didn't

0:27:20appreciate Spock from the original

0:27:22series i think we would appreciate Spock

0:27:23from Star Trek to he is the captain of

0:27:25the enterprise he gives up his seat he

0:27:28makes the supreme sacrifice at the end

0:27:30the movie in order to save the crew and

0:27:33in doing so yeah he's serving Captain

0:27:35Kirk's character arc of being sort of

0:27:38accepting of his own mortality but it at

0:27:41that that movie i mean i remember

0:27:43sobbing in the movie uncontrollably in

0:27:45the movie theater when I saw Star Trek

0:27:47I've never done that in any movie ever

0:27:50other than now

0:27:501m so that lends to the legend I think

0:27:54too that the search for 24 all the fact

0:27:56that supposed to be about Kirk accepting

0:27:59mortality it is it is also you know it

0:28:01is Spock and Spock giving into it

0:28:05well they're so intertwined yeah you

0:28:08know everything that I i saw a couple

0:28:11people mentioned this earlier and yeah

0:28:13arguably i would say yeah it that scene

0:28:17that that for you know just the last 15

0:28:19minutes of that is maybe the best acting

0:28:22certainly Shatner but maybe even in way

0:28:25ever did I mean it's just beautiful and

0:28:29a big part of that is the richness and

0:28:31depth of of the history of the

0:28:33characters right I I had I would have to

0:28:37but I i enjoyed that seen what I like

0:28:40more though and in terms of good the

0:28:43best spot quick acted scenes I've

0:28:47actually has kept going to the Abrams

0:28:49reboot where you have Spock there's

0:28:51nothing really dramatic about it seems

0:28:53like if you're playing a death scene you

0:28:55know that you got a whole lot of protein

0:28:57to work with you know that you can

0:28:59really it's a fat pitch right down the

0:29:02middle it's going over the outside the

0:29:04stadium all if you want to swing it that

0:29:05way

0:29:05this is scenes though in the reboot I

0:29:08just love the scene of an elderly

0:29:10elderly elderly Spock giving advice to

0:29:13himself as a young person's in innocence

0:29:16and saying that really the most of the

0:29:18most valuable things that I had my

0:29:20entire life was my friendship with this

0:29:22man called Kirk and I would like for you

0:29:25to pursue to see if you can have a

0:29:28friendship that will be as valuable to

0:29:29you as mine was to me because at this

0:29:32point learning way is elderly and he is

0:29:35probably in a position where he is

0:29:37spending more time looking backwards

0:29:38then looking forward and maybe in a I

0:29:41don't know if he was channeling anything

0:29:43of himself in that role but it was so

0:29:44authentic that if you could give

0:29:46yourself a piece of advice but at age 23

0:29:4824 25

0:29:50what would you pick and i think most

0:29:51people would say that you're going to

0:29:53meet a woman in three or four years and

0:29:55her name is Debbie and she's going to

0:29:57change your entire life and whenever

0:29:59you're going through whatever hardship

0:30:01that you're going to face you realize

0:30:03that you don't have a great life because

0:30:04of

0:30:04this person then it was such a simple

0:30:06delivery of simple lines and that's what

0:30:09a great actor don't know how he couldn't

0:30:11channel himself he you know the scene

0:30:14where in the snow cave where he meets

0:30:16Chris Pine leonard nimoy from the

0:30:20perspective of what 45 years after he

0:30:23was in Star Trek or after he started in

0:30:25Star Trek and 40 years after he finished

0:30:27startrack Islam is talking to a 28 year

0:30:32old actor who is playing james t kirk

0:30:35how can you

0:30:38I mean how can you not channel the idea

0:30:42that I mean he was old Spock right he's

0:30:46like literally hi i am I come from your

0:30:49future and let me tell you being young

0:30:51captain kirk and dealing with young mr.

0:30:53Spock is pretty great but it is it is i

0:30:57said this earlier it is one of the

0:30:59really surprising things in that movie

0:31:02that makes me like that first JJ Abrams

0:31:04movie so much is that it is it is mr.

0:31:09Spock is not a is not a gimmick old mr.

0:31:11Spock is not a gimmick in the movie he

0:31:13is the thing that causes the movie to

0:31:14exist and they have the split timelines

0:31:16and all that but it's not he's not just

0:31:19in it as a it so easily be added as a

0:31:21plot device and a wing and he's not he

0:31:25is set like you said Andy he's setting

0:31:27those characters on a course and it is

0:31:29yes it is Leonard Nimoy blessing this

0:31:31new generation of Star Trek actors but

0:31:33it is also old mr. Spock saying trust me

0:31:37you guys are going to go places and it

0:31:40is you know and then he you know invents

0:31:42the crazy transporter whatever and

0:31:44teaches got to do that meets the plot

0:31:46moving along to do but it is it is way

0:31:49more in fact somebody on Twitter today

0:31:51said I I'm hoping that they will that

0:31:53they can service the classic Star Wars

0:31:56actors as well as they treated Spock

0:32:00when they bring them back for episode 7

0:32:02because it's you know JJ Abrams it's the

0:32:05same thing you're taking these iconic

0:32:07actors and bringing them into a place

0:32:10where they're not acting with their own

0:32:11young selves presumably don't think

0:32:13there's a time-travel paradox and Star

0:32:15Wars Episode 7 but is still

0:32:18the idea that you treat those actors and

0:32:19their iconic parts with with respect and

0:32:22they're not just in there to wave at you

0:32:24and then move out of the way but they're

0:32:26there to do something important and that

0:32:28that was I think the greatest gift that

0:32:31we got with that JJ Abrams Star Trek

0:32:33movie was that spot was not window

0:32:35dressing he was really important and

0:32:37they gave Leonard Nimoy something

0:32:38powerful to do and he did it

0:32:41yeah I can into darkness he's a plot

0:32:43device

0:32:44yeah although it is I it is it's on the

0:32:46spot it is very funny it's literally

0:32:48like most young mr. Spock is speaking to

0:32:49the end he's like can you get the old

0:32:50spot on the radio because i want to i

0:32:52need to ask mr. 42 and but but it's just

0:32:58yeah it's a that those are great i agree

0:33:00with you Andy

0:33:01those are great Spock moment i love the

0:33:03pain that when he watches Vulcan get

0:33:07destroyed

0:33:08you know from his perspective like this

0:33:10shouldn't be happening I can't believe

0:33:11this is happening and that's the reason

0:33:13your old destroys Vulcan in that movie

0:33:15is because he wants to make mr. Spock

0:33:17watch basically on and he's the ne ne he

0:33:20gets to express his emotions to chris

0:33:22pine and say I am emotionally

0:33:24compromised i just saw my planet die and

0:33:27and you know that then registers with

0:33:29Zachary Quinto but but Leonard Nimoy

0:33:31already feels it that Zachary Quinto has

0:33:34to have it pulled to the surface by

0:33:36chris pine but learning way as Spock he

0:33:40it's all there on the surface and that's

0:33:41a really powerful scene that that that

0:33:43that is some of the best Spock I thought

0:33:44I always thought unification in the next

0:33:46generation was essentially gonna be the

0:33:48last we ever solve linear Moyes Spock I

0:33:50think that's the last thing he'd shot he

0:33:51shot that after Star Trek six and i was

0:33:55very happy that but that there was

0:33:57something more cuz unification not that

0:33:59good

0:34:00can we say that the nude it's not

0:34:02because it's no it's not that good it's

0:34:04got one of these days you're gonna have

0:34:05to do like a two-hour episode of random

0:34:06track about unification know my name

0:34:09doesn't come up with that one

0:34:11I'll pencil you in but by the Romulans

0:34:13have great shoulder pads we know that

0:34:15either other famous Spock seems that our

0:34:18favorites boxes you want to talk about

0:34:20great moments in mr. spa

0:34:22well if we're sticking with the movies i

0:34:24have a big soft spots for star trek for

0:34:28and having you know Spock a mind-meld

0:34:32with whale had you know not

0:34:37understanding uh he's like a happy she's

0:34:40very confused because he just got real

0:34:42he just got resurrected so he's a little

0:34:43bit goofy it started waters off into the

0:34:47bushes yeah it's his way to the way will

0:34:50double the mass on you and all the rest

0:34:52yes yes no no yes metaphor yes no yes i

0:34:55like italian and so do you

0:34:58yes yes i love the end of a mark time

0:35:02where he realizes that Korea still alive

0:35:05I mean all of a mark x beautiful but

0:35:07just that moment of GM smile okay so I'm

0:35:09gonna I'm gonna want it back so a mock

0:35:11time I want maybe my favorite scene in

0:35:14all the original series is the scene

0:35:16right before that which is where and

0:35:18this is everyone looking at me a starter

0:35:20everybody post that picture i have it on

0:35:21a magnet on my refrigerator of him with

0:35:23the with the Vulcan hand gesture with

0:35:25the kind of like spinal tap Stonehenge a

0:35:28styrofoam rock behind them from the

0:35:32Cyclorama set that they that they were

0:35:33on that's that's the battlefield of

0:35:35mounts too late you

0:35:36yeah sure it is although it yeah watch

0:35:38the remastered versions they do these

0:35:39crazy like CGI Vulcan landscape is not

0:35:43its creator with little cgi people it's

0:35:46amazing but anyway that scene is so

0:35:48tragic and yeah it's reverse these terms

0:35:50at kirks not dead but everybody doesn't

0:35:52know everybody who watches that it's

0:35:54like a look at mr. Spock getting a

0:35:55little live long and prosper he this is

0:35:57the wherewhere to power says live long

0:36:00and prosper and he says I have killed my

0:36:02captain and my friend I shall do neither

0:36:05it is like ripping his heart out it is

0:36:08the it is the tragic low point of mr.

0:36:11Spock he is his life is over but he's

0:36:13giving the hand gesture and it's such a

0:36:15powerful scene immediately followed by

0:36:17him doing the big grin while McCoy and

0:36:19Chapel it's like that comedy routine

0:36:21were like but wait what wait what wait

0:36:22he's like no doctor I must resign

0:36:24immediately but wait spike no I must do

0:36:27it right now and william shatner comes

0:36:28up behind him because he was gonna do

0:36:32he's a super powerful Vulcan he could

0:36:34chop you in half if you take me by

0:36:35surprise we are we gonna give you crap

0:36:37they're not gonna hear about it i love i

0:36:41love i love both those scenes those are

0:36:43two of the best that an emotional

0:36:44reaction Spock I'm just simply going to

0:36:48start with is not lost a qualified

0:36:50officer you're capable officer I was

0:36:54thinking I i think there's not one month

0:36:56out of my life ever since the first time

0:36:57I saw that as a kid I have not just

0:36:59spontaneously thought of that exchange I

0:37:02i can even tell you the last time it

0:37:05happened was four or five nights ago and

0:37:07i was in the parking lot of a grocery

0:37:09store about to like drive back home and

0:37:11for some reason my thought process we're

0:37:13going here there and everywhere and just

0:37:14I just think of that line readings thing

0:37:16i have killed by captain friend

0:37:18clearly I show dunno yeah whoo out why a

0:37:23TJ I can see the quiver in his voice i

0:37:25can see that he is just numb with grief

0:37:28and remorse and shocked at what he's

0:37:30done and it's all done on this really

0:37:33terrible deci Lucette that just it's

0:37:36it's it's like it's like packaging

0:37:39material and try to be should be heard

0:37:40like three other than that it's like Oh

0:37:42what I'm going to achieve with this this

0:37:44was that I get out I never I never

0:37:46became a really like involved fan of

0:37:48Star Trek but that was this not just

0:37:50this episode not just the scene but that

0:37:52was the line that said forever more

0:37:55this is a worthy worthy show and at some

0:37:57point I'm going to enjoy watching us

0:37:59yeah another another one of those scenes

0:38:01that I love that again is a huge seen a

0:38:05huge moment is when when Edith Keeler

0:38:08dies

0:38:09oh right because he's the one who's like

0:38:13wait and then but Curtis like no aah

0:38:18and maybe that's not what Harlan Ellison

0:38:19wanted but it worked right where they

0:38:22want you have to get what the character

0:38:24better captain kirk has to hold McCoy

0:38:25back there right even though spot can

0:38:27totally do it and that would be fine too

0:38:28because it needs to be that moment where

0:38:30where Kirk makes the it will that moment

0:38:32of I could've saved her and he just says

0:38:35he knows doctor he knows if I bet and

0:38:38and just the whole you know once one

0:38:41spot realizes what's going on with

0:38:44the gym through that whole episode just

0:38:46again that that's a huge moment in their

0:38:49relationship right well there to the

0:38:51stranded in the past together and

0:38:52they're they're like having to get

0:38:53dogged jobs and Spock Spock keeps a

0:38:56captain kirk goes to work Spock stays

0:38:58back at home when kevin has ham radio

0:39:01when Captain Kirk it's homey nags

0:39:03Captain Kirk about how he does not have

0:39:04enough money to get a sufficient

0:39:06quantity of platinum and is using stone

0:39:09stone knives and bearskins to try and

0:39:11get the tricorder to work just hilarious

0:39:13that says that you're funny Spock funny

0:39:16Spock is also also really good that the

0:39:18driest go bone dry right where where

0:39:22he's needles dr. McCoy because we all

0:39:25remember dr. McCoy gas pocket

0:39:27green-blooded off right roar but

0:39:30green-blooded hope God but then you know

0:39:32then Spock turns and just raises an

0:39:34eyebrow like whoa okay I just so so

0:39:38powerful think about the the lengths he

0:39:40went two for Christopher Pike you know

0:39:43it's not easy

0:39:44Kirk is not the only captain his head

0:39:46right tense relationship with her

0:39:48it's just that's the one we got to see

0:39:49right now in the menagerie in the

0:39:52menagerie we see Spock steal the

0:39:55enterprise and basically he's the

0:39:56villain mad for a long time of YS bak

0:39:59doing mr. and that he's doing it for for

0:40:01uh for loyalty to his former captain

0:40:04which I think Kirk's like all right well

0:40:06I get that you know it's good to be

0:40:09loyal to your captain I approve

0:40:11I like to i'd like to read the

0:40:13newsletter on that that's a higher and

0:40:16of course we have the mirror universe

0:40:17actually evil spot here it's is he

0:40:20actually for Scott though

0:40:22well no but he probably the best

0:40:24character the less the least evil cat in

0:40:27the mirror mariano he's reasonable right

0:40:29get Kurt gives him the pitch like you

0:40:31could overthrow this thing you can take

0:40:33this whole place over I will consider it

0:40:36he says but the the spot with the beard

0:40:38to also defining the classic your evil

0:40:40duplicate as a beard

0:40:41how many exceptional okay yeah yeah yeah

0:40:45I know Spock is the that the one of the

0:40:47nice things about that the circle right

0:40:49one of the nice things about that

0:40:50episode right is that everybody else is

0:40:52just kind of monstrous and then you like

0:40:54what what's gonna happen to Spock

0:40:56and the answer is actually its spark

0:40:59righties because a goatee but still spot

0:41:03yeah well social pressure made him grow

0:41:05the goatee

0:41:05it's true so Leonard Nimoy obviously

0:41:08before before he was in Star Trek he was

0:41:12not only was in the twilight zone

0:41:14episode a bunch of other TV he was doing

0:41:17somewhat experimental theater in LA and

0:41:23and fairly well regarded at that and

0:41:26then after being mr. Spock you know he

0:41:30was a guest star in an episode of TJ

0:41:32hooker he was the narrator of of in

0:41:35search of colombo l columbus as soon as

0:41:39starter again did he went down the hall

0:41:41to mission is lose mission to Mission

0:41:43Possible right where again his sidekick

0:41:45to a guy named jim yeah that's that's

0:41:47weird

0:41:48that's really weird but I so what I

0:41:50wanted to get at is a little bit we

0:41:53could talk a little bit about the the

0:41:56challenges of an actor in an indelible

0:41:59role I i talked about this a little bit

0:42:01earlier on a TV talk machine with Tim

0:42:04Goodman but I wanted to bring it up here

0:42:06too which is I think he he made his

0:42:09peace with it and and the greatest thing

0:42:12you could do is an actor on one level is

0:42:13to have this role of a lifetime right

0:42:15but as a working actor who needs to

0:42:17support oneself having a role of a

0:42:19lifetime when you're 30 is 425 is is I'm

0:42:26pretty difficult if you've got the rest

0:42:28of your career to live it down even if

0:42:30it was the role of a lifetime and I

0:42:32think it's um I think it says a lot

0:42:35about Leonard Nimoy as person that in

0:42:37the end I feel like he really accepted

0:42:40the good of of having of having that

0:42:45Parton and of having mr. Spock in his

0:42:47life but it definitely seems to like a

0:42:50rough ride i mean in addition to I am

0:42:52NOT Spock I I'm use that what is it

0:42:56James Blish wrote the novel spot must

0:42:58die

0:42:59yeah there's like was not three feet

0:43:01away a lot of aggression and mr. Spock

0:43:04in New yeah for people in the seventies

0:43:06and then they kill them all and it's you

0:43:08know it's funny cuz

0:43:09you you again you have that sort of

0:43:11dissolute casting thing of Mark Lando

0:43:13and Leonard Nimoy mark land on Leonard

0:43:15Nimoy and martin landau was almost Spock

0:43:17and then when martin landau left Mission

0:43:19Impossible suddenly it's Leonard Nimoy

0:43:21playing the the guy who puts on the

0:43:23masks and he's different in every

0:43:25episode and he doesn't actually have a

0:43:27character that's part of why he left the

0:43:28shows that there was no character for

0:43:31him he was always someone else but you

0:43:33know part of it was he wanted to show

0:43:35the versatility and what's what's always

0:43:37been interesting to me is that martin

0:43:39landau really does kind of sink into all

0:43:41these things that he does in the first

0:43:43three years of mission impossible and

0:43:45every time you see Leonard Nimoy in

0:43:46costume

0:43:47he's good but he's still clearly leonard

0:43:49nimoy which is really kind of weird and

0:43:52again you know maybe it's that spot is

0:43:54coming out I don't know I've seen him in

0:43:56lots of other things since then

0:43:59obviously he did a one-man show about

0:44:02Vincent van Gogh where he played his

0:44:04brother Theo and he he actually wrote

0:44:07the play and it's fantastic it's a

0:44:10lovely night of theater and there's a

0:44:12recording of it that you can order at

0:44:13amazon i think and and you know he's not

0:44:17at all spot in that he's very clearly

0:44:20Theo van Gogh so you know hehe could do

0:44:23it suicide maybe he wasn't ready

0:44:25the two years after Star Trek maybe he

0:44:26was still wet behind the ears so to

0:44:29speak but as the seventies and eighties

0:44:32went on he he he was able to do more

0:44:35things and and you know he might not

0:44:37have been able to do the van Gogh thing

0:44:38if it hadn't been for the cushion of

0:44:41having star trek to support him and to

0:44:43have the the money from Star Trek and

0:44:45have the fans from Star Trek command C

0:44:47because like a here's here's our guy and

0:44:50he's doing something else and this is

0:44:51really good show to it is this strange

0:44:54it's a fascinating thing we can the cult

0:44:56being being such a grabbing a role like

0:45:00this and then also being stuck with a

0:45:01role like this it's just it is an

0:45:04amazing combination of things that you

0:45:05know he ended up writing I am Spock and

0:45:07embracing it but he had so much else any

0:45:10day any turned it turned his artistica

0:45:12energy toward photography and other

0:45:15things like that I i think you know it

0:45:17is interesting that he probably he was

0:45:19never mr. Spock he probably would have

0:45:21had a much

0:45:22more varied career as an actor but yeah

0:45:26you know instead he got to be mr. Spock

0:45:28and you know bottom a house in Bel Air

0:45:31and I i think yeah you know he i think

0:45:33you did ok but i really enjoyed that JJ

0:45:38Abrams and company since they knew him

0:45:41from working on Star Trek the the 2009

0:45:47version put them in fringe as one of his

0:45:52very different as one of his put ya is a

0:45:54somewhat evil somewhat misunderstood may

0:45:59be mad scientist sort of thing but uh I

0:46:02thought that was actually I thought he

0:46:03did a really great job in fringe and I

0:46:06loved the fact that it was a character

0:46:08that you haven't you you've only heard

0:46:09about four years and then you know he

0:46:12emerges and it's not anymore and you're

0:46:14like what

0:46:15and it's a it's a really wonderful

0:46:16moment and apple he had he had already

0:46:18basically quote-unquote retired from

0:46:20acting and and then here he is on fringe

0:46:24and and it was a lot of fun to see him

0:46:25do something else and it was one of

0:46:27those moments look are you know he could

0:46:30have been in lots of other things before

0:46:32that but there was always sort of you

0:46:33know was mr. Spock away

0:46:34I don't know and and it was an evil

0:46:36mirror universe

0:46:38yes well then come on with usually

0:46:41Israel in Colombia was very very much

0:46:44mr. Spock where the entire the entire

0:46:46episode he is he also uses he doesn't

0:46:49quite use the voice but he's always the

0:46:51person who's speaking through tented

0:46:53fingers on the other side of the table

0:46:55he is the murderer but he doesn't let

0:46:57his emotions get to him as where faculty

0:47:00and colombo is absolutely baffled until

0:47:02the very very end recalls wait a minute

0:47:04that one time when the doctor freaked

0:47:07out and assaulted me

0:47:08he must have been doing that to cover up

0:47:11something and that's when he actually

0:47:12mailed them so it's a very spot like

0:47:14roll when he's always explaining very

0:47:17rationally don't you understand colombo

0:47:19this is what must have happened right

0:47:22he's he's always trying to do that that

0:47:24that actually is one of my favorite

0:47:25colombo moments where the as they're

0:47:29carrying away the murder weapon which is

0:47:31a tire iron i think in columbus hang on

0:47:34any kind of looks at it for a second

0:47:35he takes a hard-boiled egg out of his

0:47:37pocket and cracks against the thing is

0:47:39ok yeah keep going but that but that was

0:47:41that that was it was a lot so many

0:47:44really great moments from that's from

0:47:45that episode one of them is one of the

0:47:47most intense moments between Colombo and

0:47:49any other actor in the entire series

0:47:51yeah because he's trees is the way the

0:47:54colombo works on suspects is working on

0:47:56their emotions and trying to like

0:47:57rattling a little bit he finally gets

0:47:59this guy who is absolutely impossible to

0:48:01rattle because he's just being stored

0:48:03throughout the entire thing and then you

0:48:05add this other thing where it's not just

0:48:07this one murder that he's investigating

0:48:10he has discovered that Leonard Nimoy's

0:48:12character has intentionally botched a

0:48:15surgery that happened a week ago so that

0:48:17this guy is going to die in a few days

0:48:19and we'll look like it was just like a

0:48:21heart attack is now he has to make sure

0:48:23that this doctor is going to bring that

0:48:25patient back in and fix it so after he

0:48:28tries every single trick he can possibly

0:48:30think of to like get this guy so scared

0:48:33for you have bad but I better fix this

0:48:34and prevent find an excuse

0:48:36columbus finally like this patient just

0:48:37nods and then pick up a wider picture

0:48:39and then slams it on the desk in front

0:48:42of Nimoy and says drops the entire like

0:48:45oh I'm just a dumb rumpled detective

0:48:47since and look if in fact that guy dies

0:48:49there's gonna have to be an autopsy

0:48:51you know that's gonna happen and I'm

0:48:53gonna be there watching you every step

0:48:55of the way doctor and then he scheduled

0:48:57surgery again being stoic and being very

0:49:00very spot like it was very few people i

0:49:02think would really have actors could

0:49:03have stood up to that kind of

0:49:05performance and still no flinch i'm

0:49:07gonna i'm just going to simply logically

0:49:09realize that ok he is indeed right-field

0:49:11there's no if if this guy dies their

0:49:14effects and I have to do this right now

0:49:16like oh goodness he's such an anchor and

0:49:19every scene that he's and I can't think

0:49:20of anything post star trek ever saw him

0:49:23and where he was just not the guy you

0:49:25wanted to pay attention to even when he

0:49:27was just sitting quietly of a bind

0:49:30tented fingers and observing that one

0:49:32and that TJ hooker episode I mean not a

0:49:35good show a fat white ball shape moment

0:49:39for variable this is this a charity our

0:49:42hearing a comfortable

0:49:44Adrian's admit that some of the best

0:49:46butt's getting across the hood of a car

0:49:47I've seen any 80 series i'll stand by

0:49:49the of the two series that had a lock

0:49:51layer was in simultaneously on ABC in

0:49:53the eighties that was one of them

0:49:56that was one of them it is the series

0:49:58that gave us the phrase your life isn't

0:50:00worth Bologna on a stick so you know you

0:50:04ever had to let the music not that good

0:50:07once i guess i have to act out the

0:50:08correct in that environment just like

0:50:10bigger the star from scenery is Neelu

0:50:12that guy should get a special lemme but

0:50:15but the episode and i remember watching

0:50:18it when it aired where you Leonard Nimoy

0:50:20is guesting on TJ Hooker and and he gets

0:50:23he gets to be the emotional one he gets

0:50:25to be this father who's who wants

0:50:28vengeance for whatever happened to his

0:50:30daughter and he actually calls often and

0:50:32dex hooker at one point which is great

0:50:35but again you know you can't take your

0:50:37eyes off him

0:50:38that's who you want to see the story

0:50:40about you don't care about TJ hooker who

0:50:42then goes running along the wall and

0:50:43jumps on the school bus as you do

0:50:47he was also the voice of Galvatron and

0:50:49the Transformers believe yes

0:50:51yeah which I enjoyed immensely as a kid

0:50:54yeah Orson Welles was in the

0:50:56Transformers movies that was his legs

0:50:59and he was on the cross

0:51:00yeah the Giants of of acting in

0:51:05transformers cartoon that so that's a

0:51:08punchline actually that's the punchline

0:51:09from searching for isn't it

0:51:11the odd the Giants the collective killed

0:51:14Robin role in Jax's and yeah

0:51:17oh so i have a i just wanted to mention

0:51:22nobody made pseudo-scientific claptrap

0:51:26sound more realistic in the seventies

0:51:28than one anymore as the narrator of in

0:51:30search of oh I learned so much I have

0:51:34freewill about the Easter Island statues

0:51:36and the chupacabra I don't know whether

0:51:38it's your comp represent probably then

0:51:41but it made it but mr. Spock was

0:51:42explaining to me and therefore it was

0:51:44totally true it had to be science right

0:51:46because mr. spot was talking about UFOs

0:51:48and and the theory of Atlantis and you

0:51:51know ESP well and and it's funny there

0:51:54if you look at the the list of all the

0:51:55episodes for in surgery you know again

0:51:57see the Loch Ness monster Bigfoot all

0:51:59the things that were hip in the

0:52:00seventies right and there's one episode

0:52:04in search of Vincent van Gogh and

0:52:06apparently he agreed to do the series as

0:52:08long as he could do one episode where he

0:52:09went overseas needed and that's where

0:52:12did all the research for the vincent van

0:52:14gogh play was doing the episode 4 in

0:52:16search of and it's it's bizarre because

0:52:19it's not at all I can you know there's

0:52:21nothing weird Supernatural about Vincent

0:52:23but ok whatever but you know it worked

0:52:27it paid the bills but and and I i

0:52:31remember when i first discovered

0:52:33jonathan coulton and you know I'm and

0:52:36I'm listening to all the songs going to

0:52:38call me and i love this guy and getting

0:52:40to under the pines and the first time

0:52:43through i guess was the first verse I'm

0:52:46going what the hell is this song about

0:52:48and then I realized it's a song from the

0:52:50point of view of leonard nimoy to

0:52:52Bigfoot and it that just blew my mind

0:52:56that not only the concept that anyone

0:52:59would think of writing a song from

0:53:01Leonard Nimoy Bigfoot well who wouldn't

0:53:05it's obvious

0:53:05ok alright so I i used to listen to the

0:53:11golden throats album better if he turns

0:53:13out not only not only loosen sky with

0:53:16diamonds from william shatner but if i

0:53:18had a hammer and too soon by hand so I

0:53:21any in that these are the voyages book

0:53:23they make it clear that basically they

0:53:25were merchandising anything in it

0:53:27everything they could that first year

0:53:28because they didn't know with this was

0:53:31gonna last and made the end up some

0:53:33record company said yeah we want to do a

0:53:35star trek album ended up being like mr.

0:53:38Spock's music from space for something

0:53:40like that music from no man which I

0:53:44ionno really a ballad of bilbo baggins

0:53:46is haunting yeah i'lli'll unfortunately

0:53:50yeah yeah I remember that from dr.

0:53:53Demento mhm yeah ideological double

0:53:56barrel carburetors great place but you

0:53:58never can find a parking space

0:54:02highly illogical and you have a memory

0:54:04of this i know the damn warrant does of

0:54:06the him introducing like the science

0:54:09show at the planetarium or something in

0:54:11Boston

0:54:12yes yes hate whatever that is is entered

0:54:15the the planetarium museum of science

0:54:18right had this beaut this is this is

0:54:20Boston and it was this huge huge tour of

0:54:23the entire of the entire city including

0:54:26the the I don't remember his dialogue as

0:54:30much as I remember this is a before I

0:54:33max they also had multiple projectors

0:54:34behind the screen the planetarium it was

0:54:36like just a huge like cinerama style

0:54:38movie and I just really basically is a

0:54:40high-speed film you drive all the way

0:54:42through boston into the coast and then

0:54:44you get 12 lobster boats all look place

0:54:46people want to see a lot of stuff on the

0:54:48lobster man shoves it shoves a lobster

0:54:50right into the camera and it's surrounds

0:54:52you with its claws but yeah I mean

0:54:53little Moyes narration talk about the

0:54:56history and here the district's it must

0:54:58have been a little bit painful though

0:54:59because there is not a West End of

0:55:02Boston there used to be but then it was

0:55:04torn down and like urban renewal in the

0:55:06fifties and that is of course that was

0:55:08his hometown that's where he was born

0:55:09that's where he took his acting lessons

0:55:12this is where he did his family raised

0:55:14them and so he had to give this long

0:55:16long tours had have the Boston Boston's

0:55:18North End is filled the folk to the

0:55:20south end with a visit then

0:55:21well with the east end well that's the

0:55:23harbor well we're okay and can talk

0:55:25about the Western because that's where

0:55:26the elevator the elevator highway is

0:55:27well isn't that isn't thanks for

0:55:30downloading it isn't this here's a test

0:55:34of the new army theater sound system who

0:55:38would put the ball in the bomb

0:55:42shabam shove all who put the ram in the

0:55:46rap a lab adding dog but yeah that's

0:55:50with its there's actually there's

0:55:53actually live discussion about where is

0:55:54that film now because they the museum of

0:55:56science has not released it there's some

0:55:57bootleg film of people who just managed

0:56:00to sneak some sort of video camera

0:56:02because the tourists were there so

0:56:03people did like shoot video of those

0:56:06before you know the recording industry

0:56:08was like militant it's yeah it's a big

0:56:11piece of estonia the well i have a

0:56:14hammer

0:56:15and i have a bell and i'm going to ring

0:56:19it all over this lab you gotta love that

0:56:25actually that you gotta love the

0:56:26shameless tie-ins and he was happy to

0:56:30provide military or absolutely and read

0:56:33into that what else what else do you

0:56:35guys want to talk about on this on the

0:56:37subject I i I've run out of my notes of

0:56:40the various things that i wanted to talk

0:56:42about that we can go anywhere you want

0:56:43with us

0:56:44there's a show that was a movie it was

0:56:47like as a pilot from the early seventies

0:56:49called baffled

0:56:52I think where he is a racecar driver who

0:56:57developed psychic powers and then the

0:57:00series was going to be amusing a psychic

0:57:02powers to help save people every week

0:57:03and it sounds ridiculous but it's not

0:57:06bad huh

0:57:07but of course the reason it's not bad

0:57:09anymore anymore at the wikipedia page

0:57:12says that holds eight pilot for a

0:57:15television series the story is part of

0:57:17the occult detective sub-genre well i

0:57:20called ya jack i guess what is that how

0:57:23big is that sub-genre that's like a

0:57:26parent apparently there were some but

0:57:28yeah it's it's not bad i mean you know

0:57:31early seventies a cold crime drama but

0:57:36that's weird it's it's funny used to pop

0:57:39up every now and then on on the the

0:57:41independent stations when I was younger

0:57:42and yeah if you come across it and it's

0:57:46probably on youtube at this point i

0:57:48guess we should mention that he also

0:57:49directed three men and a baby in

0:57:52addition to start your career and star

0:57:53trek for which is the highest grossing

0:57:55film of 1987

0:57:57yep and spend funny about love with Gene

0:58:00Wilder also also it is contribution to

0:58:03the simpsons hit anyone who started the

0:58:05monorail yes

0:58:07talk about a cherry on the top of an

0:58:09already big cherry on top of a career

0:58:12the cosmic dance goes as himself in

0:58:14March vs. the monorail was fantastic

0:58:17my work here is done you didn't do

0:58:19anything did not haha

0:58:23yeah I like that uh I like that he he

0:58:26became friendly with Zachary Quinto

0:58:30actually while they're working on Star

0:58:31Trek I thought that was Zachary Quinto a

0:58:33nice post today about his friend Leonard

0:58:35that I you know that that's gonna be

0:58:37weird when we talked about like acting

0:58:40against chris pine but it's gonna be

0:58:42weird right to be like yeah you're Spock

0:58:45now I me I know when we talked about the

0:58:48original or know the the JJ Abrams

0:58:51reboot movies we talked about the idea

0:58:55of trying to transform these characters

0:58:57into not one actor one character but

0:59:00into you know I think JJ Abrams said

0:59:02think of it like Shakespeare that you

0:59:03know you got these parts the classic

0:59:05parts now you're doing them but if you

0:59:07want anymore that had to be very strange

0:59:09to see somebody else trying to be mr.

0:59:11Spock for the first time and yet you

0:59:14know it sounds like they actually bonded

0:59:17over being mr. Spock and having to put

0:59:19on those years we've seen that that car

0:59:21and they did they did a wacky superbowl

0:59:24commercial I couldn't tell you what card

0:59:27was for now without his vote to your

0:59:28mercedes-benz or volkswagen but you know

0:59:31as a foreign car but it's delightful in

0:59:33the long version of the ads is hilarious

0:59:36the two of them are great together

0:59:38that's a good one i'm gonna i'm looking

0:59:40it up now audi yeah you know that was in

0:59:42my head I was the animals audi but I

0:59:44couldn't remember for sure it was a good

0:59:46and because was effective and it was a

0:59:48bad as it wasn't yeah

0:59:50as are all the best and we must have

0:59:52been weird too because you know Chris

0:59:53Pine uh is kind of has the spirit of

0:59:57Captain Kirk doesn't look like William

0:59:58Shatner all that right exactly

0:59:58Shatner all that right exactly

1:00:00quinto is like a dead ringer for four

1:00:02spot a young leonard nimoy young pretty

1:00:05much yeah yeah that must have had an

1:00:08extra added awareness weirdness I meant

1:00:10well you know you can I have one of

1:00:14those situations i read today said you

1:00:17know 50 50 years in the business

1:00:18basically 50 60 60 years in the business

1:00:21I mean depends on where you can't but a

1:00:23long long career embraced this character

1:00:27was loved and you know it's an iconic

1:00:30role you know I i just got I kind of

1:00:36can't think of a better life led then

1:00:38then Leonard Nimoy's hehe came to terms

1:00:41with being part of this cult phenomenon

1:00:45and this character that was iconic he

1:00:48was able to do his art do his

1:00:50photography got to still do some acting

1:00:55when he wanted to I don't know III as as

1:00:59lives go you gotta you gotta say he he

1:01:02did right he didn't heat people like him

1:01:04they liked working with him they you

1:01:07know it's a he seems to have gotten a

1:01:10gotten pretty high score on this thing

1:01:12as far as i can tell i can't remember

1:01:14who it was i saw tweeting earlier but

1:01:16someone said that you know as an artist

1:01:19as a person if you measure a person's

1:01:23life by how much enjoy they brought to

1:01:25how many people his is going to be hard

1:01:27to top

1:01:28yeah you know Jim Henson yeah right you

1:01:32know but but it's there's a certain

1:01:34rarefied group why the people who met

1:01:38him you know you felt touched by him

1:01:41yeah will Wheaton had a beautiful post

1:01:45today where he said I didn't get to know

1:01:47him he was on the show after i left i

1:01:49never really got to know him as a person

1:01:50but from everything I've heard everybody

1:01:53that I know that I'm very close with

1:01:56loved him and then he was he was as

1:02:00wonderful as I always hoped he would be

1:02:02when I was a little kid watching Star

1:02:03Trek I loved his persona on Twitter the

1:02:05last few years he was a great tweeter of

1:02:09you know and every like everything was

1:02:11like a one liner and it all ended

1:02:12without

1:02:13lopl AP live long and prosper but he was

1:02:16he would he did a lot of things like

1:02:18listen grandpa

1:02:19ok let's move on to your grandfather I'm

1:02:22your see if you don't have a grandparent

1:02:23i'll be your grandparent

1:02:25yeah 3 or 4 years ago was like anyone

1:02:27here who wants to make me an honorary

1:02:28grandpa go ahead down here I'm here you

1:02:32know his final tweet is when is just a

1:02:34beautiful thought that no he wins that

1:02:36nobody's ever gonna send a better final

1:02:39tweet ever

1:02:40yeah I I showed it to the

1:02:42thirteen-year-old today and and hit me

1:02:45just sort of teared up four seconds like

1:02:47watching breath of God again like and

1:02:50and you know he you know he he wasn't

1:02:52really reacting and then it should be

1:02:53like oh wow yeah because you know he's

1:02:5713 he isn't thinking about things like

1:02:59that and he doesn't he doesn't need to

1:03:01his final tweet was a life is like a

1:03:03garden perfect moments can be had but

1:03:05not preserved except in memory

1:03:08live long and prosper and he did and he

1:03:10did not know it's very sad but at the

1:03:13same time I'm like I said light life

1:03:17well-lived it's hard you don't want you

1:03:21don't let them go and it said that

1:03:23they're gone but boy it is so much

1:03:26better to to have that Colonel of what a

1:03:30great life this person lived and how

1:03:33many people they touched and you know

1:03:36when i say it can be easily come across

1:03:38as fast i when i say something like you

1:03:39you know that's pretty high score in

1:03:41life but you know that that's my point

1:03:44is that that we should all live long

1:03:48lives and touches many people and seemed

1:03:51to be at such peace and ease with their

1:03:54life as Leonard Nimoy was that is that I

1:03:57you could not ask for much more than

1:03:59that I think I mean he'll he'll live on

1:04:02as as you know as people write more fan

1:04:05fiction and more things you know like

1:04:07Holmes and Watson you're right because

1:04:09it's holmes and watson there there

1:04:11wasn't a definitive thing to begin with

1:04:13it was it all came from the stories but

1:04:16with this i mean even even with things

1:04:19that are adapted like Harry Potter yeah

1:04:21okay there's a lot of harry potter

1:04:22fanfiction but you're still starting

1:04:23from the books where is in this Yuri

1:04:26only when you're writing when you're

1:04:27creating a story with these characters

1:04:29you're hearing Shatner and Emily yeah

1:04:31you know it's you just can't and as good

1:04:34as the the new movies are you still hear

1:04:38it

1:04:39well I mean like I said Zachary Quinto

1:04:41is doing Spock right but Spock is

1:04:44Leonard Nimoy Spock is a couple was a

1:04:46collaborative creation of Leonard Nimoy

1:04:48and writers and producers and a lot of

1:04:52it was Leonard Nimoy so you know but

1:04:54bigger bigger than that even like I you

1:04:56we would balance that the character

1:04:58Spock had a lot of parents with a lot of

1:05:01contributions but the way that that that

1:05:04character was implemented on screen was

1:05:07one percent Nimoy and then if you just

1:05:10think forward that every single actor in

1:05:14every single star trek movie or TV show

1:05:17that is ever played a Vulcan is doing a

1:05:20leonard nimoy for or and out i mean you

1:05:22could argue or an outsider figure all we

1:05:25were there always is one there are they

1:05:27are mr. Spock is hanging over them right

1:05:30mr. spot is the one that just will not

1:05:33lie i want to give him credit for for

1:05:35the the way that Vulcans are the poster

1:05:37art real he owns vaccine you see there's

1:05:40something there's something there's no

1:05:41one person that invented here's here's

1:05:43what Klingon sound like and here's how

1:05:45they behave and there are so many other

1:05:48series and franchises you'll see well

1:05:51i'm a member i'm a member of the booboo

1:05:53race but hey I'm I'm the energetic one

1:05:55that kind of talks like Paul in but our

1:05:57McGruff one who kind of talks like this

1:05:59he created a template that was so sturdy

1:06:02that was like nope this is how you

1:06:04define a Vulcan if you do not see if you

1:06:06don't make the same choice that he made

1:06:07choices that can be applied generation

1:06:11after generation in scene after scene

1:06:13character character they still work

1:06:16I don't I i'm not saying that he was the

1:06:18greatest actor who ever lived that's

1:06:20such a stupid thing to say about any

1:06:22suppurative but i don't think you'll

1:06:24find an achievement that is more

1:06:26impressive than that great i I my

1:06:29impression is I'm impressed because not

1:06:31only is it all the physical but so many

1:06:33other aspects of his personality that

1:06:34you could normally ascribe to well that

1:06:36was the way the character was written

1:06:38a lot of that came from him too so in

1:06:40addition to all the physicality there

1:06:43are a lot of other points to but you're

1:06:44absolutely right i'm sure that if you're

1:06:46Tim or us or with jolene blalock you you

1:06:49sat down with mr. Spock with to learn

1:06:53how to be a Vulcan right blood since it

1:06:56did its always amused me how you know

1:06:58you look at all the different alien

1:06:59races and Klingons are Klingons and the

1:07:01new in Dorian's are in Dorian's and

1:07:02there's not really i mean certainly with

1:07:05Andorians there's not that much defining

1:07:06them except blue and in 10 a right and

1:07:10had weird for outfits and with all the

1:07:14Vulcans I mean yes you you still get

1:07:16mark leonard and you still get jolene

1:07:19blalock and you still get some rest and

1:07:20their personalities are still there but

1:07:23the vab it'sit's exactly its there's

1:07:26dishes this essence of Spock to all of

1:07:29them that comes through that wouldn't be

1:07:32there if it hadn't been rendered morning

1:07:34before we go what I have one more story

1:07:36to tell which is you know mr. Spock is

1:07:38the Vulcan hand gesture and yet it's

1:07:39become to recommend or or represent

1:07:42Trekkies and trekkers and whatever else

1:07:44beats are transported called Star Trek

1:07:45fans let's call him that I like that so

1:07:48I was on a cruise in hawaii in like 2003

1:07:51i want to say 2002 was the wisdom the

1:07:53mac cruise but it was also the same

1:07:55cruise ship was a star trek crews and

1:07:58the luau that they did the day than the

1:08:00night before that the ship took off was

1:08:02that took off its not a spaceship its

1:08:04sailed away quite a crew with a 17 rise

1:08:09of the season space career at the UH the

1:08:12so it's like in Hawaii and uh and and he

1:08:17was better Ludacris yeah um and so the

1:08:20luau beforehand was all the Star Trek

1:08:22people and all the the the computer

1:08:24people and it was him a cruise and a

1:08:26pearl crew there's a whole like think

1:08:28lots of nerds were there are various

1:08:31kinds and the thing that one thing that

1:08:34impressed me the most actually was that

1:08:36George Takei was there and when they

1:08:38introduced him at the low he stood up

1:08:40and he had the huge George Takei smile

1:08:43and gave the Vulcan hand signal and part

1:08:46of me was like wow that is really a

1:08:48symbol of of being a Star Trek fan

1:08:51and then the other party was like mr.

1:08:54Sulu is not a Vulcan and does not do

1:08:56people in the hand symbol

1:08:58excuse me mr 2kay but i think i pointed

1:09:01out the next morning he did not take

1:09:03that fortunately we're in the hot tub so

1:09:06we're both very right about two years

1:09:09ago they do the the TEDx Broadway which

1:09:12is all that theater and Broadway now

1:09:14whatever and two years ago I I got to go

1:09:17and George Takei was one of the speakers

1:09:20and he gets up and he talks about this

1:09:22is Japanese internment camps show that

1:09:25he wants to bring Broadway and he

1:09:26finally is and but he ends it you know

1:09:29that there's a little bit of PowerPoint

1:09:31but there's not much but the very last

1:09:33thing all of a sudden there's the

1:09:34enterprise and he just starts into these

1:09:38are the voyages of the Starship

1:09:39Enterprise and you could tell the the

1:09:43trek fans in the audience because they

1:09:44all started mouthing it along with him

1:09:46yeah he doesn't have the simple and then

1:09:49do like a whole bunch of us raise our

1:09:50hands and I look over at the the friend

1:09:54i went with and and he's doing because I

1:09:55could hear him and I just looked at him

1:09:58and he looked at me said aren't you

1:09:59doing i said i'm doing it silently in my

1:10:01head haha shut up you also you know when

1:10:05I was something I i wanted to mention i

1:10:07forgot to mention it is I'm i talk about

1:10:10a journey of a leonard nimoy took from

1:10:12rejection to acceptance of Spock and and

1:10:14really kind of having it be thinking of

1:10:17the good things that brought him and and

1:10:19just accepting that that he and Spock

1:10:21we're going to be inseparable and that

1:10:22was okay and in fact that was good

1:10:25so in galaxy quest dr. Lazarus it's it

1:10:33is Leonard Nimoy's story in fast-forward

1:10:36because essentially the alan rickman

1:10:39character Alexander Dane he is a

1:10:42classically trained actor likely anymore

1:10:45was a stage actor and he gets in the

1:10:47silly TV show and now everybody is

1:10:49spouting philosophy to him and he

1:10:51rejects it and he thinks it's ridiculous

1:10:53and by the end he has that touching

1:10:55moment with a with the thermium who dies

1:10:57and and says that you know I've lived my

1:10:59life yet by your teachings and i would

1:11:01this is an important philosophy to me

1:11:02and he has that memory says this is

1:11:04really important to people and make

1:11:05and it matters in their lives and that

1:11:06means I matter in their lives and I have

1:11:08to respect that and that and he turns at

1:11:10that moment and it really it really

1:11:12changes that character type of the of

1:11:15the actor playing the park to understand

1:11:17how much it meant and i always see that

1:11:19as being the letter anymore journey in a

1:11:22in a compressed time frame and it is my

1:11:26favorite thing in galaxy quest is that

1:11:28is that scene where he realizes over the

1:11:32dying alien that this silly thing that

1:11:34he's been disparaging really matters to

1:11:36people it really is part of the immense

1:11:38burden that Nimoy and the rest of those

1:11:41like a line characters have that even if

1:11:44they have come to peace with the show

1:11:47even if they truly love this show

1:11:49they can never fully appreciate that

1:11:51every time they have 30 seconds with a

1:11:53fan that can be such a momentous time

1:11:57for that person they have no idea there

1:11:58are people who were going to kill

1:12:00themselves that found the strength to

1:12:02move forward because a while but what if

1:12:05I were the star trek universe with my

1:12:07character do what would Spock do what

1:12:08would overlook McCoy do that the this

1:12:12fandom can have good aspects to it and

1:12:14bad aspects to it but there's some

1:12:15people who have very unfortunate who

1:12:18that is the thing that they cling to the

1:12:20gives them that tether to reality

1:12:23despite the fact that it's fiction and

1:12:25that burden that these actors have to

1:12:27know that I can I don't care how tired I

1:12:29am I have to give this person a smile

1:12:31after shake their hand when i get a

1:12:33letter from somebody i might be getting

1:12:34a letter that is just absolutely

1:12:36shocking and pushed me this horrible

1:12:38position of i have a choice a or choice

1:12:40be either one of them will cause a

1:12:43reparable harm to this person if I screw

1:12:45it up

1:12:46I cannot imagine a nearby and maybe some

1:12:50of us have in this position because we

1:12:52write so much for so many things

1:12:53sometimes you'll get an email from

1:12:56somebody or a letter from somebody that

1:12:57refers to something that you've even

1:13:00completely forgot you said that you know

1:13:02that really came with the absolute right

1:13:04time and it really helped me out a lot

1:13:05and I'm like I had no idea that these

1:13:09around with a casual gesture that I

1:13:11could even have that kind of power to do

1:13:13that for millions and millions of people

1:13:16i do not understand what

1:13:17That Bird must have been like for that

1:13:19man one especially I you know you always

1:13:21hear the stories of Martin Luther King

1:13:23encouraged and she'll locals to stay on

1:13:25the show and be an example but how many

1:13:28people haven't said that about Spock

1:13:31right i know a lot of of people who use

1:13:35and you know what I was an outsider or I

1:13:37was an outcast or I was a different

1:13:39ethnicity in in the school I went to

1:13:42and.and spot gave me the strength to be

1:13:44there to be the smart person off to the

1:13:47side i could be cerebral in you know or

1:13:50you like wilwheaton was saying in his in

1:13:52his post when when they played on the

1:13:56playground he would he would eventually

1:13:57talk the kids into playing Star Trek and

1:13:59they didn't always want to and and but

1:14:01he didn't want to be kirky always wanted

1:14:03to be Spock because he could be the

1:14:05cerebral weird kid that he was normally

1:14:09right now and and you don't hear about

1:14:12that because you know who even thinks

1:14:16about that who would think to say that

1:14:17is a I identified with spot because of

1:14:20this and this was a powerful thing for

1:14:23TV in 1967 it's a little bit of our

1:14:26cultural history it's a little bit of

1:14:28our childhood and yeah I don't know what

1:14:32else to say I think he lived a great

1:14:34life and left a great legacy and we'll

1:14:36miss him and we will always have mr.

1:14:38Spock I would like to thank my guests

1:14:41for taking some time to talk to me about

1:14:42this this iconic character in this life

1:14:45well-led David lower thank you for being

1:14:47here thank you as always and Enoch oh

1:14:50thanks so much for joining us tonight

1:14:52young ND at some point you're going to

1:14:54ask an intern at mac user how to try to

1:14:57do HTML

1:14:58this will start a relationship that will

1:14:59be very fruitful to both of you for the

1:15:00rest of our lives and i encourage you to

1:15:02pursue it a little message to young Andy

1:15:04and Scott melty thank you thank you for

1:15:10having me on you you can go back to your

1:15:11random track now where you will tear up

1:15:14a little bit perhaps the next time you

1:15:15get a classic series episode that's

1:15:17right i'm thinking of doing a special

1:15:19random traveling is non-random that

1:15:20would be great

1:15:22yeah that would be awesome although it

1:15:24break all formats and all the random

1:15:26track listings be like once got doing

1:15:27this madman but I think you've got

1:15:29righteous what just just shave your

1:15:31beard goatee for the purpose of work

1:15:34it's a mirrors got rid of a specific

1:15:36that's right i like it in the mirror

1:15:39universe it's all chosen ahead of time

1:15:41as two hosts and one of them must kill

1:15:43the other by the end of the fun yes kill

1:15:45us both spot put them in the agony booth

1:15:48thanks to everybody out there for

1:15:50listening to this special episode of the

1:15:51uncomfortable we will be back next week

1:15:53with a regular episode that probably

1:15:55will be about Star Wars so set your set

1:15:58your phasers on stun and your glass

1:16:01shatters too full

1:16:03that's right I'll of Babylon 5 what you

1:16:07look like a panda in a session

1:16:09ceremonial dagger I think he carried

1:16:12that off thats wearing right now and

1:16:13nothing else

1:16:14oh my i guess i'll say it

1:16:18live long and prosper we'll see you next

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1:16:22space the final frontier

1:16:28these are the voyages of the Starship

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1:16:33your ongoing mission to explore strange

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1:17:32stargate sg-1 the science fiction TV

1:17:36series its finite universe the original

1:17:40tron the 1989 film The Wizard starring

1:17:44Fred Savage last action hero

1:17:47Tosh but I read everything I could get

1:17:49my hands on on from analysis to backlash

1:17:53and eventually I was like you know why

1:17:55don't i just read it i love to show a

1:17:57lot and I feel like it's not even in the

1:17:59conversation and when it comes up it's

1:18:01just people don't even want to bring it

1:18:03up so you buried the lead that Fred

1:18:05Savage

1:18:06but but I really think a lot of it came

1:18:08from the fact that kids starting this

1:18:10move it rode on the coattails of we're

1:18:13going to see this movie that you see

1:18:14super mario brothers 30 really audiences

1:18:17did not like it they thought it was

1:18:18weird it to this day only has I think a

1:18:22star and a half on netflix this was

1:18:24actually very difficult for me I nearly

1:18:27took a taylor swift's new album 1989 no

1:18:30no now I have to go out and find

1:18:32somebody who loves it right i mean

1:18:34that's what you hear but you know why

1:18:36don't you ask a woman about them for

1:18:37real you know if it so hang on let's

1:18:39rewind a minute here because we have

1:18:41gotten quite in-depth quite quickly and

1:18:43and I realized that he hates you too for

1:18:47the same reason that I hated the rolling

1:18:50stones by any objective measure the

1:18:53wizard is not a great movie it's not

1:18:55even a good movie it's barely competent

1:18:58if you want to look at this as a

1:19:00commedia dell'arte style presentation of

1:19:03tropes it succeeds admirably pepper and

1:19:07then they called him and they said well

1:19:08you know you're cheaper than a linear

1:19:10committee will you do it

1:19:11that is crazy i hadn't i didn't know

1:19:13that all these that's wonderful really

1:19:16amazing they put they put bowling balls

1:19:18they were falling balls in in a video

1:19:21game and put it in a bowling alley

1:19:22because that makes it fun is underrated

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