0:00:00the in tom parental number 236 februari
0:00:092015 welcome back everybody to the
0:00:13incomparable i'm your host Jason L this
0:00:15is something that we didn't plan but we
0:00:17record this on Friday februari 27 2015
0:00:20and woke up this morning or just as I
0:00:23was sitting down to work this morning to
0:00:25the news that Leonard Nimoy mr. Spock to
0:00:29us all passed away today and you know it
0:00:34took some time to process it and thought
0:00:35maybe we could get some people together
0:00:37and talk about him a little bit for a
0:00:39special episode of the podcast and so
0:00:42that is what you're listening to now
0:00:44joining me to talk about it are my my
0:00:49pals they're here with me now David
0:00:51Laura hello i am I gotta say this is not
0:00:55the way to bank episodes and get a hit
0:00:57on episodes but we can do you know it
0:01:00definitely was worth talking about your
0:01:03cat rummaging through things now my cat
0:01:05is ribbon cup caper
0:01:07oh that's he's nesting he's nesting
0:01:10ruiner of podcast the cats see lots of
0:01:13p'kat just is kind enough to just poop
0:01:15in the room that you singing quietly
0:01:18also also with us
0:01:20indian taco hi Andy I have a cat free
0:01:24silence that is sometimes like a close
0:01:26to him
0:01:27that's interesting I I Lord is the sound
0:01:29of no cats playing very soon always it's
0:01:33actually it's not so much i have no cats
0:01:34i have cat and no cat in opposite hands
0:01:37at the same time one of them is dead and
0:01:39is alive
0:01:40yea indeed and also of course we're
0:01:43talking about things really start Trek
0:01:44Scott McNulty has has has pulled himself
0:01:47out of his sickbed to join us hi Scott
0:01:50well I wish it was a better topic kind
0:01:52of a happier topic i should say but I'm
0:01:54happy to be here so you know I don't
0:01:57obviously we don't have a really really
0:01:59plan here i am maybe a good place to
0:02:02start would beat it for for everybody to
0:02:04talk about what
0:02:07you know what mr. Spock or Leonard Nimoy
0:02:10or both meant to them i think that i
0:02:12think that might be a nice way to to
0:02:14remember him at least it's a start i'll
0:02:16point out just going first my I can't
0:02:21remember i said this in previous pockets
0:02:23i can't remember life before Star Trek
0:02:24and I was thinking about today I can't
0:02:26remember life before knowing Star Trek
0:02:29like you know like every episode cold I
0:02:32I remember I can't remember seeing a
0:02:35star trek episode and thinking oh I
0:02:37don't know what happens in this one I
0:02:38just have no memory of that this is it
0:02:41was a fundamental part of my my
0:02:44childhood and obviously mr. Spock was a
0:02:47huge part of that and it's uh so on on
0:02:52that level yeah it part of this is me
0:02:53thinking back to my childhood and and
0:02:56losing a person who was a very important
0:03:00part of it because that was just it
0:03:02affected me so much to have a dead star
0:03:05trek and Kirk and Spock McCoy were just
0:03:07they were friends they were they were
0:03:08people I looked up to there were people
0:03:10I model myself after on the on the
0:03:12playground right i mean it pretty pretty
0:03:15dramatic and then through the years
0:03:16through the the Star Trek films when I
0:03:17was a teenager and you know through his
0:03:20appearances in various things even as
0:03:24recently as a couple years ago just
0:03:27somebody that I I thought we could talk
0:03:29about this a little more later I got
0:03:31handled the fact that he was going to be
0:03:34he had a great luck of being attached to
0:03:37this amazing character and as an actor I
0:03:39think the misfortune in a way of being
0:03:42attached to such as an indelible
0:03:43character and yet I think he wore it
0:03:45well and embraced the fact that he was
0:03:49going to be associated with this
0:03:51character and of all the characters to
0:03:53be associated with pretty good one so
0:03:55but definitely I'm definitely an
0:03:57emotional moment this morning in hearing
0:03:59I mean we heard that he had been taken
0:04:00to the hospital and and not a lot more
0:04:02after that my thought that's you know
0:04:04that's and I've been there I've been my
0:04:06father was a born the same year is
0:04:08Leonard Nimoy only a couple months
0:04:09earlier and had COPD just like Leonard
0:04:12Nimoy and that that earlier this week
0:04:15when we heard the story that he had been
0:04:16taking the hospital I had that moment of
0:04:17like I this I know what's going to
0:04:20happen
0:04:21I that I've been in that place where his
0:04:22family was and so still very sad to
0:04:24receive the news
0:04:26Scott what about you with you what's
0:04:28your what's your story of how you
0:04:30discovered in and and and interacted
0:04:34with monday morning mr. Spock out well I
0:04:37i think he was around before i
0:04:38discovered him but uh huh well not a
0:04:41talent scout with the time machine
0:04:43clearly and using this tool kit Lenny
0:04:45from Boston he's going places you go and
0:04:47places kid it's easier that don't ask
0:04:49any questions
0:04:50well I've been just like you I think
0:04:52Jason we've talked about this before i
0:04:54also don't remember a time in my life
0:04:57where I wasn't a Star Trek fan and I was
0:05:00asking my mom about this couple weeks
0:05:01ago and she said well you're always
0:05:03watching Star Trek I don't know when you
0:05:05started but she wasn't a Star Trek fan
0:05:07so I think it was just you know in
0:05:09syndication forever probably on channel
0:05:1211 in New York and I would watch it over
0:05:14and over again and of course I mean you
0:05:16know Spock is kirk and spock right they
0:05:20have this great friendship Spock plays
0:05:23this kind of outsider that probably
0:05:26appeals to many people move fine and
0:05:28affiliation with startrack I can paint
0:05:30with a broad broad but brush and say
0:05:33that maybe some of the fans of structure
0:05:35our little nerdy and maybe feel slightly
0:05:37outcast especially in you know grammar
0:05:41school and and that kind of thing and
0:05:43you find this character Spock who has a
0:05:46you know he isn't unlike everybody else
0:05:49in the bridge but he is still respected
0:05:53and get this job done and so I mean it i
0:05:56think that that is part of the reason
0:05:58that Spock so popular
0:06:00and and why he appealed to me so much I
0:06:03don't know if Spock is my my favorite
0:06:05certain character but certainly he's
0:06:07near the top
0:06:08Andy about you I wasn't as a kid I
0:06:11wasn't a huge Star Trek fan but I was
0:06:14definitely a spark fan if that makes
0:06:17sense it was whenever I was watching
0:06:19that show it was always to see Leonard
0:06:21Nimoy seen Senate and I think it's
0:06:23because of its later in life when you're
0:06:26an adult you have a little bit of a
0:06:28wider awareness of how TV and how movies
0:06:32work you really appreciate why your
0:06:34attention is drawn to Nimoy because
0:06:36you've got that you've got the
0:06:38triumvirate of Spock McCoy and kirk and
0:06:41Kirk is being that is being Shatner and
0:06:45microrna has fortunes or injury and
0:06:47white dress and Spock is the button
0:06:49who's quiet and they have to do they
0:06:51have to build his levels up but always
0:06:53pause a little bit he will react
0:06:55sometimes not by saying anything but
0:06:57simply giving a glancing an eyebrow
0:06:59eyebrow because that's all you need to
0:07:02do sometimes and he really was for me
0:07:05like the anchor that entire show and
0:07:07everything that else has been said is I
0:07:09was completely because you're sort of
0:07:11gravity you sort of gravitate toward
0:07:12these people you identify the the one in
0:07:15any group that is not like all the
0:07:17others and the ones who can not only is
0:07:20it doesn't have to pretend to be like
0:07:22the rest i can even openly say I will
0:07:25never understand you people ever
0:07:27there's a i wish i wish i could
0:07:29understand why you behave the way you do
0:07:31I don't and but I'm still going to work
0:07:33with you i'm still going to call you my
0:07:34friends but let's acknowledge that
0:07:35there's that there's there's there's
0:07:37parts of these puzzles that I will never
0:07:39ever figure out and here's somebody on
0:07:41TV aleve roll into on TV say that
0:07:44explicitly for a lot of for a lot of
0:07:47people who are fans of Star Trek myself
0:07:49included really that you really can
0:07:52gravitate towards that character David
0:07:54whereby you
0:07:54yeah i'm right with the I can't remember
0:07:57a time before ya before Star Trek you
0:08:01know I had the action figures when I was
0:08:03three or four whatever and that i would
0:08:06i would make up my own stories with the
0:08:09enterprise playset and I made up my own
0:08:11it came with cards
0:08:13for the viewscreen right you had three
0:08:15cards with two pictures one on each side
0:08:17and you can hang them up on the view
0:08:18screen and make your adventures I would
0:08:20make my own cards so I had 30 cause I'm
0:08:24all these adventures and you know that
0:08:28was that's that's the earliest i can
0:08:31remember making original stories you
0:08:34know I mean I came to New i was going to
0:08:36be a writer
0:08:37anyway but that when i think back you
0:08:39know what's the earliest thing I
0:08:40remember writing that was it and I read
0:08:44a really really good piece today by
0:08:46Jamie weinman from Maclean's magazine in
0:08:49canada and he said that there was just
0:08:53something about Spock and something
0:08:56about what Nimoy imbued spoke with that
0:09:00wasn't on the page it wasn't in
0:09:02Roddenberry's original version you know
0:09:04it wasn't this red-skinned Martian with
0:09:06a hot temper like the original concept
0:09:09or or you know and and really any of the
0:09:11original pilot right by the women and
0:09:14women and there's just something about
0:09:17whatever it was that he brought to the
0:09:20character and and made it his own that
0:09:23we on the outside wanted to write
0:09:26fanfiction we wanted to to uncover the
0:09:30rest of his story we wanted him and Kirk
0:09:32to be more than just friends perhaps
0:09:35depending on the fedex and writers don't
0:09:38want that and you know I can't think of
0:09:41a mean you can you can look back it
0:09:43famous teams right you know the Lone
0:09:47Ranger and Tonto and Holmes and Watson
0:09:48but i cannot always really equal the way
0:09:53Kirk and Spock are and they don't always
0:09:55have a third like McCoy I was always
0:09:57thought of them as as as the three right
0:10:00I can't quite it's the balance isn't
0:10:02right without any one of those three and
0:10:06but but there's just something about
0:10:08them that inspired this kind of
0:10:12outpouring of fan fiction and this you
0:10:15know the letter-writing campaigns and
0:10:16the conventions in the syndication and
0:10:18and imagine the serendipity of that you
0:10:21know if if they had cast martin landau
0:10:23as Spock he would have been really good
0:10:26sure cuz he's Martin Landau what would
0:10:28have been the same women who've you know
0:10:31there's just something about the alchemy
0:10:33of those three actors in those three
0:10:35roles that sparked something and we all
0:10:39wanted to tell stories with them so I i
0:10:41just read the volume one of these are
0:10:44the voyages which I know Scott is red
0:10:46but i have not read i do you buy here
0:10:48Scott has it and you should read it and
0:10:50because it's good i've bought it now
0:10:51mark Cushman's book that is again I
0:10:55hesitated to read these books because I
0:10:57thought that they would be you know sort
0:10:58of fannish like behind the scenes of
0:11:01crazy things that happened on Star Trek
0:11:02and they're not these are I think these
0:11:05are gonna end up being the source
0:11:06material like these are well-researched
0:11:08history with is it history books about
0:11:12star trek with lots of great tidbits but
0:11:14it really is not it is unflinching about
0:11:17the details and it is absolutely true
0:11:20that Spock was a character that started
0:11:24as a sketch by Gene Roddenberry this
0:11:26half Martian Redskin character that
0:11:28ended up being for various reasons
0:11:29including just the way that color played
0:11:32on black and white TVs ended up having
0:11:35the complexion that he had and having
0:11:37that in a collaboration between
0:11:38Roddenberry and Leonard Nimoy and
0:11:43Leonard Nimoy and the various directors
0:11:45like that the spotting neck pinch came
0:11:47and I believable the Vulcan hand salute
0:11:50came from expediency while shooting
0:11:53scenes they were at endlessly behind and
0:11:56stand leonard nimoy said I don't need to
0:11:58punch this guy don't think pot Spock
0:12:00would punch him he would just like to a
0:12:01little alien thing and they invented the
0:12:03famous Spock neck pinch from that and
0:12:07then Dorothy Fontana who is a fantastic
0:12:11star of these books because you you
0:12:14discovered what what the fortitude she
0:12:15must have had to go from being thought
0:12:18of as gene roddenberry secretary to
0:12:20essentially being the best writer on the
0:12:23series and the responsible for so much
0:12:25of it you know she she invented lots of
0:12:28Vulcan stuff too so this character built
0:12:31over time but what's also fascinating
0:12:33that's a very spot word fascinating is
0:12:36that it was clear from the very
0:12:39beginning
0:12:40and you know there's a lot of stories
0:12:42about some NBC executives and get rid of
0:12:44the guy with the years but the executive
0:12:45who worked with Desilu on the first
0:12:47season of of of star trek from the start
0:12:50was saying oh you got it you got to give
0:12:53me more spot to use a line from a doctor
0:12:55who episode give me more spot because it
0:12:58was just clear that this character was
0:13:00different and interesting and I think
0:13:03David that dynamic of the eventually the
0:13:06trio because they they went through
0:13:07several episodes before they they
0:13:09brought in deforest kelley that that was
0:13:13the thing that made this character made
0:13:18the show work was like Spock Spock added
0:13:21something to a traditional action hero
0:13:24and maybe his traditional sort of
0:13:25confidant that was not something we had
0:13:28seen before and it really was the magic
0:13:30that made that thing work
0:13:31oh yeah and and very few things have
0:13:34been able to duplicate that even just
0:13:36the the template of it you know I i was
0:13:39thinking about the man from uncle
0:13:40earlier today and thinking about you
0:13:43know okay here again is here your
0:13:45conflict between the American spy in the
0:13:46Russian spy and they they butt heads
0:13:48sometimes but they're they're a team and
0:13:50they work together and and they're
0:13:52probably gonna draw that out more in the
0:13:54new movie based on the trailer but it's
0:13:57still not quite the same you you never
0:13:59saw Napoleon solo and Illya Kuryakin
0:14:01argue about tactics and argue about
0:14:04morality the way you saw Kirk and Spock
0:14:07you didn't see that in in light action
0:14:09shows in the sixties and i remember when
0:14:13i when i started paying attention meet
0:14:15again I always you know i'm just like
0:14:18you i had the the there's never been a
0:14:20time where I went
0:14:21hey I don't know this episode right
0:14:23except with the animated show maybe and
0:14:25even then it's more that I've forgotten
0:14:27them instead of seeing them over and
0:14:29over again every year but i remember
0:14:32when i started paying attention to
0:14:33things like credits and writing credits
0:14:36and cast credits and and being very
0:14:39confused that the first season DeForest
0:14:41Kelley isn't in the opening credits
0:14:43right it's just shatter Nimoy and that
0:14:45just seemed wrong
0:14:47so yeah they're the it's amazing how
0:14:52that came together a triumvirate I mean
0:14:54you could argue i mean some of some of
0:14:56this is is that time for it was was the
0:14:59magic the magic sauce the secret sauce
0:15:02and and even in DJ movies you can see
0:15:04with different actors like boy that is a
0:15:06powerful set of characters and having
0:15:08them the way they complement and
0:15:10critique one another is really powerful
0:15:12great regardless of who's playing them
0:15:15but you know that doesn't give enough
0:15:16credit to the fact that Spock as we have
0:15:19as we see him is a product of leonard
0:15:22nimoy and Dorothy Fontana and Gene
0:15:25Roddenberry and gene kuhn and a bunch of
0:15:27other people who made the original Star
0:15:30Trek um I wanted to talk a little bit
0:15:34about how the other reasons why we why
0:15:39why do we find Spock so iconic because
0:15:41this is one of those things that this is
0:15:42a show that's been that Air 249 almost
0:15:46coming up 50 49 years ago and I'm to
0:15:50this day I in some ways even with all
0:15:54the series of the past in the meantime
0:15:56of startrack mr. Spock there's just
0:15:59something about mr. Spock that that Star
0:16:01Trek is mr. Spock in some ways like if
0:16:03you had to boil it down to one thing it
0:16:05would be a picture mr. Spock probably
0:16:07from a mock time giving the Vulcan hand
0:16:09gesture that would kind of be the
0:16:10boiling down of star trek to one thing
0:16:12why is that Scott you know why why why
0:16:16does it come back to Spock
0:16:18well i think a lot of credit goes to let
0:16:20Nimoy and his performance but also if
0:16:23you think about it Spock has a lot of
0:16:24catch phrases and things that are easy
0:16:26to replicate right you can do a little
0:16:28the hand sign you can say live long and
0:16:31prosper a pass and you have a
0:16:33fascinating interests of the eyebrow
0:16:36lift right so there's a lot of ideas and
0:16:40I learned to do that because i wanted to
0:16:42do that like mr. spot
0:16:43see there you know I think that's part
0:16:45of me that's not the only reason I think
0:16:47that's part of what makes the character
0:16:48so attractive if you want to pretend try
0:16:51to pretend that you are someone on the
0:16:54enterprise
0:16:55I guess you could like punch someone and
0:16:57pretend you're camping with the OEM
0:16:58together
0:16:59and hit him in the back do that back
0:17:01exactly where you live long and prosper
0:17:02right reasons Scottish accent but that's
0:17:05hard it is hard so yeah I mean yeah I
0:17:10think I think that's true he is I think
0:17:12that's why when I say why is spike Spock
0:17:14so iconic that is one of the reasons
0:17:16right is that he has things he says and
0:17:18that nobody else says he's got the ears
0:17:19and he's got the raised eyebrow and all
0:17:22of these things that that were this
0:17:24collaboration from all those people
0:17:26it is also interesting and Scott since
0:17:29you take these voyages every week with
0:17:31random track every star trek show I feel
0:17:33like has a spot like like that was the
0:17:35one thing that that was very clear is
0:17:38say what you will about the feature the
0:17:40the future star trek series every single
0:17:43one of them has at least one spot figure
0:17:45you can't have a star trek without an
0:17:48outsider who is intrigued by the human
0:17:51condition
0:17:52you can't write because that lets the
0:17:53writers you know kind of telegraph
0:17:56things about the human condition and
0:17:57makes an easy hook for them to you know
0:18:00have a character react to the wacky
0:18:02things these humans are doing what I my
0:18:05theory about why Spock indoors where I
0:18:08mean data and odo and warfare wonderful
0:18:11and I love them too but you know when to
0:18:16call when Tuvok and seven behind all the
0:18:19other spot care is further out but LOL
0:18:21the other Vulcans are just doing their
0:18:23just rights back
0:18:24yeah that's right that's right but it
0:18:26but yeah it's sort of like we don't have
0:18:28androids we don't have Klingons we don't
0:18:30have shapeshifters but except for the
0:18:33ears spot could pass for human right
0:18:36right we know people like Spock
0:18:39yeah he's really know people like data
0:18:40and at o2 but they look to alien to us
0:18:44but spock he just puts on a stocking cap
0:18:47and and if anyone notices they go oh it
0:18:50was a race parent or a headband made
0:18:52from ripping off part of a robe in Star
0:18:55Trek for which is also hard to do
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0:20:56the show gave Spock the dignity of
0:20:59private identity that data has spent
0:21:03almost the entire series say i don't
0:21:05want to be an android I want to be a
0:21:06human not going to put myself in danger
0:21:08and willing to destabilize myself
0:21:10because I must must must be more human
0:21:12as opposed to just being Who I am and
0:21:15there's just something so powerful and
0:21:17so
0:21:18I want to say mesmerizing but once it
0:21:21that so magnetic about the person who is
0:21:24clearly very confident who they are very
0:21:26pleased with who they are willing to is
0:21:28willing to participate in a world that
0:21:30don't belong in but i don't have to be
0:21:33anything other than a volcom I'll of
0:21:35data but data story is one of somebody
0:21:38who wants to assimilate yes not in the
0:21:41board way i should say we're talking
0:21:43about Star Trek but but Spock Spock
0:21:46doesn't want to do that right Spock and
0:21:48I know that he's been a a source of of
0:21:52of pride and and somebody that people
0:21:55have looked to as a as a as an important
0:21:58figure because he's an outsider but also
0:22:02spoke is proud of who he is and although
0:22:04it's problematic and he has this great
0:22:07tension between his humanity and his
0:22:09Vulcan pneus Spock is not trying to be
0:22:13human i mean sometimes trying to be
0:22:14Vulcan which is interesting from the
0:22:16perspective of of us humans that he's
0:22:18trying to reject the parts of him who r
0:22:20us but that's a very different
0:22:22combination of traits than something
0:22:25like data who really desperately is so
0:22:27eager to please to be I'm gonna good Joe
0:22:30Piscopo to teach me how to tell jokes
0:22:31and Spock you know spot does we want to
0:22:35see and be human and he does not want to
0:22:37do it and I I think that's part of the
0:22:39magic of it right there there's that
0:22:41tension that we want to see him break we
0:22:43we love that moment in this side of
0:22:46paradise where he's laughing he's
0:22:48laughing that's not spot yeah but it is
0:22:51Spock right
0:22:53the other thing is almost all of them
0:22:56except for Spock they're all justifying
0:22:59their existence we're trying to figure
0:23:01out who they are right
0:23:02oh doesn't know where he comes from at
0:23:04the bit at the beginning of deep space
0:23:05nine right data has to prove that he's
0:23:08worth that that he's not just a robot is
0:23:11a court case and back and in the course
0:23:12of sites and president of you know seven
0:23:16of nine has to reclaim her humanity and
0:23:19and discover who she was and recover
0:23:21those memories where spot knows who he
0:23:23is and that's just who he is and you
0:23:26have to deal with it but he still has
0:23:27that struggle of
0:23:29if his human half and his woman that
0:23:30right and yeah like I was saying he's
0:23:32gonna projected his human half and he's
0:23:34much like Worf right Worf raised by
0:23:36humans and then he his reaction is I'm
0:23:38going to be super Klingon of and
0:23:41embossed germs and yea right assist yeah
0:23:44that started with Spock being you know
0:23:46I'm half human but i'm going to be a
0:23:47super volcano going to be the most
0:23:48Vulcan Vulcan that you can Vulcan
0:23:50because i'm gonna show these people i
0:23:53was reading am Star Trek fan club scan
0:23:56that somebody put it put post on Twitter
0:23:59day that was written by a girl who is a
0:24:03red eye black parent a white parent and
0:24:06was saying you know I feel like I
0:24:08understand
0:24:09Spock's the xbox situation and on one
0:24:13level again this is the one of the great
0:24:15appeals of Spock is that he is an
0:24:17outsider and if you feel outside of
0:24:19society in anyway whether it's because
0:24:22you're a geek kind of person or whether
0:24:23because it's something much more
0:24:25complicated and difficult than that in
0:24:27you know late sixties America especially
0:24:29but you know forever
0:24:31this is this is a character who can
0:24:33appeal to you but what really struck me
0:24:35about is the way he described and this
0:24:38is just Leonard Nimoy sort of with his
0:24:40own internal backstory about what
0:24:41motivates Spock saying that when Spock
0:24:44was a child you know growing up on
0:24:46Vulcan hehe dealt with those same issues
0:24:48and I thought that was fascinating
0:24:49because those those scenes are in JJ
0:24:53Abrams Star Trek we see young spock
0:24:56being really brutally mistreated by
0:25:01other Vulcans because he's not a real
0:25:02Vulcan and that has led me to a greater
0:25:06appreciation of that character actually
0:25:07but I was shocked to find that it's all
0:25:10there in Leonard Nimoy's assumptions
0:25:12about who Spock is in the sixties that
0:25:16he was horribly treated by the other
0:25:19Vulcans when he was a kid and then it's
0:25:20and then to see it writ large in the JJ
0:25:23movie really made me appreciate that I
0:25:25think that JJ Abrams Star Trek goes
0:25:26along it it i mean that's a movie about
0:25:29Spock that isn't the smoke is that you
0:25:31could argue that Zachary Quinto Spock in
0:25:33that structure movie is the main
0:25:34character and if you throw in Leonard
0:25:36Nimoy on top of it it's really a movie
0:25:38about Spock and how
0:25:39you know finding Kirk helps set him on
0:25:42the right course and but it does a lot
0:25:45for Spock character which i think is
0:25:46unexpected
0:25:47I didn't expect well and and some of
0:25:49that is in the yesteryear Animated
0:25:52episode by DC from santa ana which you
0:25:55know is this box childhood and again
0:25:57mockery and wanting to run away and
0:26:00which is a wonderful I mean there are
0:26:03some good episodes of the animated show
0:26:05that's the only 1i would put up with the
0:26:06rest and I think everybody with would
0:26:08say that that's like will count
0:26:11Scott you can you can put that one in
0:26:12your spreadsheet friend req just out i
0:26:15will do it now
0:26:16no I don't stick to the rolling plains
0:26:19yeah slippery sits good slippery's um
0:26:23let's see what else did I want to talk
0:26:25about and we should talk about what we
0:26:26talked about the the original series a
0:26:29lot i'd like to talk a little bit about
0:26:31the the movies it's a obviously Clemens
0:26:35had a fraught relationship I think he
0:26:37came to terms with it after a long time
0:26:39but of course obviously in the seventies
0:26:40he wrote I'm not Spock he tried to
0:26:44distance himself from the part my
0:26:46understanding is that he was he refused
0:26:48to be in the phase two series they were
0:26:51going to do in the seventies and the guy
0:26:54who the Vulcan who dies in the horrible
0:26:56transporter accident Star Trek the
0:26:58motion picture is essentially the
0:26:59character that would have been the spock
0:27:01replacement if that had been a series
0:27:03but since it was a movie and Leonard
0:27:06Nimoy agreed to be in it then they wrote
0:27:08Spock back into it but you know and then
0:27:10he told him to kill him and star trek to
0:27:11which is funny because then he obviously
0:27:13thought better of it after surgery to
0:27:15was so good but it does lead to some of
0:27:18the most amazing i mean if we didn't
0:27:20appreciate Spock from the original
0:27:22series i think we would appreciate Spock
0:27:23from Star Trek to he is the captain of
0:27:25the enterprise he gives up his seat he
0:27:28makes the supreme sacrifice at the end
0:27:30the movie in order to save the crew and
0:27:33in doing so yeah he's serving Captain
0:27:35Kirk's character arc of being sort of
0:27:38accepting of his own mortality but it at
0:27:41that that movie i mean i remember
0:27:43sobbing in the movie uncontrollably in
0:27:45the movie theater when I saw Star Trek
0:27:47I've never done that in any movie ever
0:27:50other than now
0:27:501m so that lends to the legend I think
0:27:54too that the search for 24 all the fact
0:27:56that supposed to be about Kirk accepting
0:27:59mortality it is it is also you know it
0:28:01is Spock and Spock giving into it
0:28:05well they're so intertwined yeah you
0:28:08know everything that I i saw a couple
0:28:11people mentioned this earlier and yeah
0:28:13arguably i would say yeah it that scene
0:28:17that that for you know just the last 15
0:28:19minutes of that is maybe the best acting
0:28:22certainly Shatner but maybe even in way
0:28:25ever did I mean it's just beautiful and
0:28:29a big part of that is the richness and
0:28:31depth of of the history of the
0:28:33characters right I I had I would have to
0:28:37but I i enjoyed that seen what I like
0:28:40more though and in terms of good the
0:28:43best spot quick acted scenes I've
0:28:47actually has kept going to the Abrams
0:28:49reboot where you have Spock there's
0:28:51nothing really dramatic about it seems
0:28:53like if you're playing a death scene you
0:28:55know that you got a whole lot of protein
0:28:57to work with you know that you can
0:28:59really it's a fat pitch right down the
0:29:02middle it's going over the outside the
0:29:04stadium all if you want to swing it that
0:29:05way
0:29:05this is scenes though in the reboot I
0:29:08just love the scene of an elderly
0:29:10elderly elderly Spock giving advice to
0:29:13himself as a young person's in innocence
0:29:16and saying that really the most of the
0:29:18most valuable things that I had my
0:29:20entire life was my friendship with this
0:29:22man called Kirk and I would like for you
0:29:25to pursue to see if you can have a
0:29:28friendship that will be as valuable to
0:29:29you as mine was to me because at this
0:29:32point learning way is elderly and he is
0:29:35probably in a position where he is
0:29:37spending more time looking backwards
0:29:38then looking forward and maybe in a I
0:29:41don't know if he was channeling anything
0:29:43of himself in that role but it was so
0:29:44authentic that if you could give
0:29:46yourself a piece of advice but at age 23
0:29:4824 25
0:29:50what would you pick and i think most
0:29:51people would say that you're going to
0:29:53meet a woman in three or four years and
0:29:55her name is Debbie and she's going to
0:29:57change your entire life and whenever
0:29:59you're going through whatever hardship
0:30:01that you're going to face you realize
0:30:03that you don't have a great life because
0:30:04of
0:30:04this person then it was such a simple
0:30:06delivery of simple lines and that's what
0:30:09a great actor don't know how he couldn't
0:30:11channel himself he you know the scene
0:30:14where in the snow cave where he meets
0:30:16Chris Pine leonard nimoy from the
0:30:20perspective of what 45 years after he
0:30:23was in Star Trek or after he started in
0:30:25Star Trek and 40 years after he finished
0:30:27startrack Islam is talking to a 28 year
0:30:32old actor who is playing james t kirk
0:30:35how can you
0:30:38I mean how can you not channel the idea
0:30:42that I mean he was old Spock right he's
0:30:46like literally hi i am I come from your
0:30:49future and let me tell you being young
0:30:51captain kirk and dealing with young mr.
0:30:53Spock is pretty great but it is it is i
0:30:57said this earlier it is one of the
0:30:59really surprising things in that movie
0:31:02that makes me like that first JJ Abrams
0:31:04movie so much is that it is it is mr.
0:31:09Spock is not a is not a gimmick old mr.
0:31:11Spock is not a gimmick in the movie he
0:31:13is the thing that causes the movie to
0:31:14exist and they have the split timelines
0:31:16and all that but it's not he's not just
0:31:19in it as a it so easily be added as a
0:31:21plot device and a wing and he's not he
0:31:25is set like you said Andy he's setting
0:31:27those characters on a course and it is
0:31:29yes it is Leonard Nimoy blessing this
0:31:31new generation of Star Trek actors but
0:31:33it is also old mr. Spock saying trust me
0:31:37you guys are going to go places and it
0:31:40is you know and then he you know invents
0:31:42the crazy transporter whatever and
0:31:44teaches got to do that meets the plot
0:31:46moving along to do but it is it is way
0:31:49more in fact somebody on Twitter today
0:31:51said I I'm hoping that they will that
0:31:53they can service the classic Star Wars
0:31:56actors as well as they treated Spock
0:32:00when they bring them back for episode 7
0:32:02because it's you know JJ Abrams it's the
0:32:05same thing you're taking these iconic
0:32:07actors and bringing them into a place
0:32:10where they're not acting with their own
0:32:11young selves presumably don't think
0:32:13there's a time-travel paradox and Star
0:32:15Wars Episode 7 but is still
0:32:18the idea that you treat those actors and
0:32:19their iconic parts with with respect and
0:32:22they're not just in there to wave at you
0:32:24and then move out of the way but they're
0:32:26there to do something important and that
0:32:28that was I think the greatest gift that
0:32:31we got with that JJ Abrams Star Trek
0:32:33movie was that spot was not window
0:32:35dressing he was really important and
0:32:37they gave Leonard Nimoy something
0:32:38powerful to do and he did it
0:32:41yeah I can into darkness he's a plot
0:32:43device
0:32:44yeah although it is I it is it's on the
0:32:46spot it is very funny it's literally
0:32:48like most young mr. Spock is speaking to
0:32:49the end he's like can you get the old
0:32:50spot on the radio because i want to i
0:32:52need to ask mr. 42 and but but it's just
0:32:58yeah it's a that those are great i agree
0:33:00with you Andy
0:33:01those are great Spock moment i love the
0:33:03pain that when he watches Vulcan get
0:33:07destroyed
0:33:08you know from his perspective like this
0:33:10shouldn't be happening I can't believe
0:33:11this is happening and that's the reason
0:33:13your old destroys Vulcan in that movie
0:33:15is because he wants to make mr. Spock
0:33:17watch basically on and he's the ne ne he
0:33:20gets to express his emotions to chris
0:33:22pine and say I am emotionally
0:33:24compromised i just saw my planet die and
0:33:27and you know that then registers with
0:33:29Zachary Quinto but but Leonard Nimoy
0:33:31already feels it that Zachary Quinto has
0:33:34to have it pulled to the surface by
0:33:36chris pine but learning way as Spock he
0:33:40it's all there on the surface and that's
0:33:41a really powerful scene that that that
0:33:43that is some of the best Spock I thought
0:33:44I always thought unification in the next
0:33:46generation was essentially gonna be the
0:33:48last we ever solve linear Moyes Spock I
0:33:50think that's the last thing he'd shot he
0:33:51shot that after Star Trek six and i was
0:33:55very happy that but that there was
0:33:57something more cuz unification not that
0:33:59good
0:34:00can we say that the nude it's not
0:34:02because it's no it's not that good it's
0:34:04got one of these days you're gonna have
0:34:05to do like a two-hour episode of random
0:34:06track about unification know my name
0:34:09doesn't come up with that one
0:34:11I'll pencil you in but by the Romulans
0:34:13have great shoulder pads we know that
0:34:15either other famous Spock seems that our
0:34:18favorites boxes you want to talk about
0:34:20great moments in mr. spa
0:34:22well if we're sticking with the movies i
0:34:24have a big soft spots for star trek for
0:34:28and having you know Spock a mind-meld
0:34:32with whale had you know not
0:34:37understanding uh he's like a happy she's
0:34:40very confused because he just got real
0:34:42he just got resurrected so he's a little
0:34:43bit goofy it started waters off into the
0:34:47bushes yeah it's his way to the way will
0:34:50double the mass on you and all the rest
0:34:52yes yes no no yes metaphor yes no yes i
0:34:55like italian and so do you
0:34:58yes yes i love the end of a mark time
0:35:02where he realizes that Korea still alive
0:35:05I mean all of a mark x beautiful but
0:35:07just that moment of GM smile okay so I'm
0:35:09gonna I'm gonna want it back so a mock
0:35:11time I want maybe my favorite scene in
0:35:14all the original series is the scene
0:35:16right before that which is where and
0:35:18this is everyone looking at me a starter
0:35:20everybody post that picture i have it on
0:35:21a magnet on my refrigerator of him with
0:35:23the with the Vulcan hand gesture with
0:35:25the kind of like spinal tap Stonehenge a
0:35:28styrofoam rock behind them from the
0:35:32Cyclorama set that they that they were
0:35:33on that's that's the battlefield of
0:35:35mounts too late you
0:35:36yeah sure it is although it yeah watch
0:35:38the remastered versions they do these
0:35:39crazy like CGI Vulcan landscape is not
0:35:43its creator with little cgi people it's
0:35:46amazing but anyway that scene is so
0:35:48tragic and yeah it's reverse these terms
0:35:50at kirks not dead but everybody doesn't
0:35:52know everybody who watches that it's
0:35:54like a look at mr. Spock getting a
0:35:55little live long and prosper he this is
0:35:57the wherewhere to power says live long
0:36:00and prosper and he says I have killed my
0:36:02captain and my friend I shall do neither
0:36:05it is like ripping his heart out it is
0:36:08the it is the tragic low point of mr.
0:36:11Spock he is his life is over but he's
0:36:13giving the hand gesture and it's such a
0:36:15powerful scene immediately followed by
0:36:17him doing the big grin while McCoy and
0:36:19Chapel it's like that comedy routine
0:36:21were like but wait what wait what wait
0:36:22he's like no doctor I must resign
0:36:24immediately but wait spike no I must do
0:36:27it right now and william shatner comes
0:36:28up behind him because he was gonna do
0:36:32he's a super powerful Vulcan he could
0:36:34chop you in half if you take me by
0:36:35surprise we are we gonna give you crap
0:36:37they're not gonna hear about it i love i
0:36:41love i love both those scenes those are
0:36:43two of the best that an emotional
0:36:44reaction Spock I'm just simply going to
0:36:48start with is not lost a qualified
0:36:50officer you're capable officer I was
0:36:54thinking I i think there's not one month
0:36:56out of my life ever since the first time
0:36:57I saw that as a kid I have not just
0:36:59spontaneously thought of that exchange I
0:37:02i can even tell you the last time it
0:37:05happened was four or five nights ago and
0:37:07i was in the parking lot of a grocery
0:37:09store about to like drive back home and
0:37:11for some reason my thought process we're
0:37:13going here there and everywhere and just
0:37:14I just think of that line readings thing
0:37:16i have killed by captain friend
0:37:18clearly I show dunno yeah whoo out why a
0:37:23TJ I can see the quiver in his voice i
0:37:25can see that he is just numb with grief
0:37:28and remorse and shocked at what he's
0:37:30done and it's all done on this really
0:37:33terrible deci Lucette that just it's
0:37:36it's it's like it's like packaging
0:37:39material and try to be should be heard
0:37:40like three other than that it's like Oh
0:37:42what I'm going to achieve with this this
0:37:44was that I get out I never I never
0:37:46became a really like involved fan of
0:37:48Star Trek but that was this not just
0:37:50this episode not just the scene but that
0:37:52was the line that said forever more
0:37:55this is a worthy worthy show and at some
0:37:57point I'm going to enjoy watching us
0:37:59yeah another another one of those scenes
0:38:01that I love that again is a huge seen a
0:38:05huge moment is when when Edith Keeler
0:38:08dies
0:38:09oh right because he's the one who's like
0:38:13wait and then but Curtis like no aah
0:38:18and maybe that's not what Harlan Ellison
0:38:19wanted but it worked right where they
0:38:22want you have to get what the character
0:38:24better captain kirk has to hold McCoy
0:38:25back there right even though spot can
0:38:27totally do it and that would be fine too
0:38:28because it needs to be that moment where
0:38:30where Kirk makes the it will that moment
0:38:32of I could've saved her and he just says
0:38:35he knows doctor he knows if I bet and
0:38:38and just the whole you know once one
0:38:41spot realizes what's going on with
0:38:44the gym through that whole episode just
0:38:46again that that's a huge moment in their
0:38:49relationship right well there to the
0:38:51stranded in the past together and
0:38:52they're they're like having to get
0:38:53dogged jobs and Spock Spock keeps a
0:38:56captain kirk goes to work Spock stays
0:38:58back at home when kevin has ham radio
0:39:01when Captain Kirk it's homey nags
0:39:03Captain Kirk about how he does not have
0:39:04enough money to get a sufficient
0:39:06quantity of platinum and is using stone
0:39:09stone knives and bearskins to try and
0:39:11get the tricorder to work just hilarious
0:39:13that says that you're funny Spock funny
0:39:16Spock is also also really good that the
0:39:18driest go bone dry right where where
0:39:22he's needles dr. McCoy because we all
0:39:25remember dr. McCoy gas pocket
0:39:27green-blooded off right roar but
0:39:30green-blooded hope God but then you know
0:39:32then Spock turns and just raises an
0:39:34eyebrow like whoa okay I just so so
0:39:38powerful think about the the lengths he
0:39:40went two for Christopher Pike you know
0:39:43it's not easy
0:39:44Kirk is not the only captain his head
0:39:46right tense relationship with her
0:39:48it's just that's the one we got to see
0:39:49right now in the menagerie in the
0:39:52menagerie we see Spock steal the
0:39:55enterprise and basically he's the
0:39:56villain mad for a long time of YS bak
0:39:59doing mr. and that he's doing it for for
0:40:01uh for loyalty to his former captain
0:40:04which I think Kirk's like all right well
0:40:06I get that you know it's good to be
0:40:09loyal to your captain I approve
0:40:11I like to i'd like to read the
0:40:13newsletter on that that's a higher and
0:40:16of course we have the mirror universe
0:40:17actually evil spot here it's is he
0:40:20actually for Scott though
0:40:22well no but he probably the best
0:40:24character the less the least evil cat in
0:40:27the mirror mariano he's reasonable right
0:40:29get Kurt gives him the pitch like you
0:40:31could overthrow this thing you can take
0:40:33this whole place over I will consider it
0:40:36he says but the the spot with the beard
0:40:38to also defining the classic your evil
0:40:40duplicate as a beard
0:40:41how many exceptional okay yeah yeah yeah
0:40:45I know Spock is the that the one of the
0:40:47nice things about that the circle right
0:40:49one of the nice things about that
0:40:50episode right is that everybody else is
0:40:52just kind of monstrous and then you like
0:40:54what what's gonna happen to Spock
0:40:56and the answer is actually its spark
0:40:59righties because a goatee but still spot
0:41:03yeah well social pressure made him grow
0:41:05the goatee
0:41:05it's true so Leonard Nimoy obviously
0:41:08before before he was in Star Trek he was
0:41:12not only was in the twilight zone
0:41:14episode a bunch of other TV he was doing
0:41:17somewhat experimental theater in LA and
0:41:23and fairly well regarded at that and
0:41:26then after being mr. Spock you know he
0:41:30was a guest star in an episode of TJ
0:41:32hooker he was the narrator of of in
0:41:35search of colombo l columbus as soon as
0:41:39starter again did he went down the hall
0:41:41to mission is lose mission to Mission
0:41:43Possible right where again his sidekick
0:41:45to a guy named jim yeah that's that's
0:41:47weird
0:41:48that's really weird but I so what I
0:41:50wanted to get at is a little bit we
0:41:53could talk a little bit about the the
0:41:56challenges of an actor in an indelible
0:41:59role I i talked about this a little bit
0:42:01earlier on a TV talk machine with Tim
0:42:04Goodman but I wanted to bring it up here
0:42:06too which is I think he he made his
0:42:09peace with it and and the greatest thing
0:42:12you could do is an actor on one level is
0:42:13to have this role of a lifetime right
0:42:15but as a working actor who needs to
0:42:17support oneself having a role of a
0:42:19lifetime when you're 30 is 425 is is I'm
0:42:26pretty difficult if you've got the rest
0:42:28of your career to live it down even if
0:42:30it was the role of a lifetime and I
0:42:32think it's um I think it says a lot
0:42:35about Leonard Nimoy as person that in
0:42:37the end I feel like he really accepted
0:42:40the good of of having of having that
0:42:45Parton and of having mr. Spock in his
0:42:47life but it definitely seems to like a
0:42:50rough ride i mean in addition to I am
0:42:52NOT Spock I I'm use that what is it
0:42:56James Blish wrote the novel spot must
0:42:58die
0:42:59yeah there's like was not three feet
0:43:01away a lot of aggression and mr. Spock
0:43:04in New yeah for people in the seventies
0:43:06and then they kill them all and it's you
0:43:08know it's funny cuz
0:43:09you you again you have that sort of
0:43:11dissolute casting thing of Mark Lando
0:43:13and Leonard Nimoy mark land on Leonard
0:43:15Nimoy and martin landau was almost Spock
0:43:17and then when martin landau left Mission
0:43:19Impossible suddenly it's Leonard Nimoy
0:43:21playing the the guy who puts on the
0:43:23masks and he's different in every
0:43:25episode and he doesn't actually have a
0:43:27character that's part of why he left the
0:43:28shows that there was no character for
0:43:31him he was always someone else but you
0:43:33know part of it was he wanted to show
0:43:35the versatility and what's what's always
0:43:37been interesting to me is that martin
0:43:39landau really does kind of sink into all
0:43:41these things that he does in the first
0:43:43three years of mission impossible and
0:43:45every time you see Leonard Nimoy in
0:43:46costume
0:43:47he's good but he's still clearly leonard
0:43:49nimoy which is really kind of weird and
0:43:52again you know maybe it's that spot is
0:43:54coming out I don't know I've seen him in
0:43:56lots of other things since then
0:43:59obviously he did a one-man show about
0:44:02Vincent van Gogh where he played his
0:44:04brother Theo and he he actually wrote
0:44:07the play and it's fantastic it's a
0:44:10lovely night of theater and there's a
0:44:12recording of it that you can order at
0:44:13amazon i think and and you know he's not
0:44:17at all spot in that he's very clearly
0:44:20Theo van Gogh so you know hehe could do
0:44:23it suicide maybe he wasn't ready
0:44:25the two years after Star Trek maybe he
0:44:26was still wet behind the ears so to
0:44:29speak but as the seventies and eighties
0:44:32went on he he he was able to do more
0:44:35things and and you know he might not
0:44:37have been able to do the van Gogh thing
0:44:38if it hadn't been for the cushion of
0:44:41having star trek to support him and to
0:44:43have the the money from Star Trek and
0:44:45have the fans from Star Trek command C
0:44:47because like a here's here's our guy and
0:44:50he's doing something else and this is
0:44:51really good show to it is this strange
0:44:54it's a fascinating thing we can the cult
0:44:56being being such a grabbing a role like
0:45:00this and then also being stuck with a
0:45:01role like this it's just it is an
0:45:04amazing combination of things that you
0:45:05know he ended up writing I am Spock and
0:45:07embracing it but he had so much else any
0:45:10day any turned it turned his artistica
0:45:12energy toward photography and other
0:45:15things like that I i think you know it
0:45:17is interesting that he probably he was
0:45:19never mr. Spock he probably would have
0:45:21had a much
0:45:22more varied career as an actor but yeah
0:45:26you know instead he got to be mr. Spock
0:45:28and you know bottom a house in Bel Air
0:45:31and I i think yeah you know he i think
0:45:33you did ok but i really enjoyed that JJ
0:45:38Abrams and company since they knew him
0:45:41from working on Star Trek the the 2009
0:45:47version put them in fringe as one of his
0:45:52very different as one of his put ya is a
0:45:54somewhat evil somewhat misunderstood may
0:45:59be mad scientist sort of thing but uh I
0:46:02thought that was actually I thought he
0:46:03did a really great job in fringe and I
0:46:06loved the fact that it was a character
0:46:08that you haven't you you've only heard
0:46:09about four years and then you know he
0:46:12emerges and it's not anymore and you're
0:46:14like what
0:46:15and it's a it's a really wonderful
0:46:16moment and apple he had he had already
0:46:18basically quote-unquote retired from
0:46:20acting and and then here he is on fringe
0:46:24and and it was a lot of fun to see him
0:46:25do something else and it was one of
0:46:27those moments look are you know he could
0:46:30have been in lots of other things before
0:46:32that but there was always sort of you
0:46:33know was mr. Spock away
0:46:34I don't know and and it was an evil
0:46:36mirror universe
0:46:38yes well then come on with usually
0:46:41Israel in Colombia was very very much
0:46:44mr. Spock where the entire the entire
0:46:46episode he is he also uses he doesn't
0:46:49quite use the voice but he's always the
0:46:51person who's speaking through tented
0:46:53fingers on the other side of the table
0:46:55he is the murderer but he doesn't let
0:46:57his emotions get to him as where faculty
0:47:00and colombo is absolutely baffled until
0:47:02the very very end recalls wait a minute
0:47:04that one time when the doctor freaked
0:47:07out and assaulted me
0:47:08he must have been doing that to cover up
0:47:11something and that's when he actually
0:47:12mailed them so it's a very spot like
0:47:14roll when he's always explaining very
0:47:17rationally don't you understand colombo
0:47:19this is what must have happened right
0:47:22he's he's always trying to do that that
0:47:24that actually is one of my favorite
0:47:25colombo moments where the as they're
0:47:29carrying away the murder weapon which is
0:47:31a tire iron i think in columbus hang on
0:47:34any kind of looks at it for a second
0:47:35he takes a hard-boiled egg out of his
0:47:37pocket and cracks against the thing is
0:47:39ok yeah keep going but that but that was
0:47:41that that was it was a lot so many
0:47:44really great moments from that's from
0:47:45that episode one of them is one of the
0:47:47most intense moments between Colombo and
0:47:49any other actor in the entire series
0:47:51yeah because he's trees is the way the
0:47:54colombo works on suspects is working on
0:47:56their emotions and trying to like
0:47:57rattling a little bit he finally gets
0:47:59this guy who is absolutely impossible to
0:48:01rattle because he's just being stored
0:48:03throughout the entire thing and then you
0:48:05add this other thing where it's not just
0:48:07this one murder that he's investigating
0:48:10he has discovered that Leonard Nimoy's
0:48:12character has intentionally botched a
0:48:15surgery that happened a week ago so that
0:48:17this guy is going to die in a few days
0:48:19and we'll look like it was just like a
0:48:21heart attack is now he has to make sure
0:48:23that this doctor is going to bring that
0:48:25patient back in and fix it so after he
0:48:28tries every single trick he can possibly
0:48:30think of to like get this guy so scared
0:48:33for you have bad but I better fix this
0:48:34and prevent find an excuse
0:48:36columbus finally like this patient just
0:48:37nods and then pick up a wider picture
0:48:39and then slams it on the desk in front
0:48:42of Nimoy and says drops the entire like
0:48:45oh I'm just a dumb rumpled detective
0:48:47since and look if in fact that guy dies
0:48:49there's gonna have to be an autopsy
0:48:51you know that's gonna happen and I'm
0:48:53gonna be there watching you every step
0:48:55of the way doctor and then he scheduled
0:48:57surgery again being stoic and being very
0:49:00very spot like it was very few people i
0:49:02think would really have actors could
0:49:03have stood up to that kind of
0:49:05performance and still no flinch i'm
0:49:07gonna i'm just going to simply logically
0:49:09realize that ok he is indeed right-field
0:49:11there's no if if this guy dies their
0:49:14effects and I have to do this right now
0:49:16like oh goodness he's such an anchor and
0:49:19every scene that he's and I can't think
0:49:20of anything post star trek ever saw him
0:49:23and where he was just not the guy you
0:49:25wanted to pay attention to even when he
0:49:27was just sitting quietly of a bind
0:49:30tented fingers and observing that one
0:49:32and that TJ hooker episode I mean not a
0:49:35good show a fat white ball shape moment
0:49:39for variable this is this a charity our
0:49:42hearing a comfortable
0:49:44Adrian's admit that some of the best
0:49:46butt's getting across the hood of a car
0:49:47I've seen any 80 series i'll stand by
0:49:49the of the two series that had a lock
0:49:51layer was in simultaneously on ABC in
0:49:53the eighties that was one of them
0:49:56that was one of them it is the series
0:49:58that gave us the phrase your life isn't
0:50:00worth Bologna on a stick so you know you
0:50:04ever had to let the music not that good
0:50:07once i guess i have to act out the
0:50:08correct in that environment just like
0:50:10bigger the star from scenery is Neelu
0:50:12that guy should get a special lemme but
0:50:15but the episode and i remember watching
0:50:18it when it aired where you Leonard Nimoy
0:50:20is guesting on TJ Hooker and and he gets
0:50:23he gets to be the emotional one he gets
0:50:25to be this father who's who wants
0:50:28vengeance for whatever happened to his
0:50:30daughter and he actually calls often and
0:50:32dex hooker at one point which is great
0:50:35but again you know you can't take your
0:50:37eyes off him
0:50:38that's who you want to see the story
0:50:40about you don't care about TJ hooker who
0:50:42then goes running along the wall and
0:50:43jumps on the school bus as you do
0:50:47he was also the voice of Galvatron and
0:50:49the Transformers believe yes
0:50:51yeah which I enjoyed immensely as a kid
0:50:54yeah Orson Welles was in the
0:50:56Transformers movies that was his legs
0:50:59and he was on the cross
0:51:00yeah the Giants of of acting in
0:51:05transformers cartoon that so that's a
0:51:08punchline actually that's the punchline
0:51:09from searching for isn't it
0:51:11the odd the Giants the collective killed
0:51:14Robin role in Jax's and yeah
0:51:17oh so i have a i just wanted to mention
0:51:22nobody made pseudo-scientific claptrap
0:51:26sound more realistic in the seventies
0:51:28than one anymore as the narrator of in
0:51:30search of oh I learned so much I have
0:51:34freewill about the Easter Island statues
0:51:36and the chupacabra I don't know whether
0:51:38it's your comp represent probably then
0:51:41but it made it but mr. Spock was
0:51:42explaining to me and therefore it was
0:51:44totally true it had to be science right
0:51:46because mr. spot was talking about UFOs
0:51:48and and the theory of Atlantis and you
0:51:51know ESP well and and it's funny there
0:51:54if you look at the the list of all the
0:51:55episodes for in surgery you know again
0:51:57see the Loch Ness monster Bigfoot all
0:51:59the things that were hip in the
0:52:00seventies right and there's one episode
0:52:04in search of Vincent van Gogh and
0:52:06apparently he agreed to do the series as
0:52:08long as he could do one episode where he
0:52:09went overseas needed and that's where
0:52:12did all the research for the vincent van
0:52:14gogh play was doing the episode 4 in
0:52:16search of and it's it's bizarre because
0:52:19it's not at all I can you know there's
0:52:21nothing weird Supernatural about Vincent
0:52:23but ok whatever but you know it worked
0:52:27it paid the bills but and and I i
0:52:31remember when i first discovered
0:52:33jonathan coulton and you know I'm and
0:52:36I'm listening to all the songs going to
0:52:38call me and i love this guy and getting
0:52:40to under the pines and the first time
0:52:43through i guess was the first verse I'm
0:52:46going what the hell is this song about
0:52:48and then I realized it's a song from the
0:52:50point of view of leonard nimoy to
0:52:52Bigfoot and it that just blew my mind
0:52:56that not only the concept that anyone
0:52:59would think of writing a song from
0:53:01Leonard Nimoy Bigfoot well who wouldn't
0:53:05it's obvious
0:53:05ok alright so I i used to listen to the
0:53:11golden throats album better if he turns
0:53:13out not only not only loosen sky with
0:53:16diamonds from william shatner but if i
0:53:18had a hammer and too soon by hand so I
0:53:21any in that these are the voyages book
0:53:23they make it clear that basically they
0:53:25were merchandising anything in it
0:53:27everything they could that first year
0:53:28because they didn't know with this was
0:53:31gonna last and made the end up some
0:53:33record company said yeah we want to do a
0:53:35star trek album ended up being like mr.
0:53:38Spock's music from space for something
0:53:40like that music from no man which I
0:53:44ionno really a ballad of bilbo baggins
0:53:46is haunting yeah i'lli'll unfortunately
0:53:50yeah yeah I remember that from dr.
0:53:53Demento mhm yeah ideological double
0:53:56barrel carburetors great place but you
0:53:58never can find a parking space
0:54:02highly illogical and you have a memory
0:54:04of this i know the damn warrant does of
0:54:06the him introducing like the science
0:54:09show at the planetarium or something in
0:54:11Boston
0:54:12yes yes hate whatever that is is entered
0:54:15the the planetarium museum of science
0:54:18right had this beaut this is this is
0:54:20Boston and it was this huge huge tour of
0:54:23the entire of the entire city including
0:54:26the the I don't remember his dialogue as
0:54:30much as I remember this is a before I
0:54:33max they also had multiple projectors
0:54:34behind the screen the planetarium it was
0:54:36like just a huge like cinerama style
0:54:38movie and I just really basically is a
0:54:40high-speed film you drive all the way
0:54:42through boston into the coast and then
0:54:44you get 12 lobster boats all look place
0:54:46people want to see a lot of stuff on the
0:54:48lobster man shoves it shoves a lobster
0:54:50right into the camera and it's surrounds
0:54:52you with its claws but yeah I mean
0:54:53little Moyes narration talk about the
0:54:56history and here the district's it must
0:54:58have been a little bit painful though
0:54:59because there is not a West End of
0:55:02Boston there used to be but then it was
0:55:04torn down and like urban renewal in the
0:55:06fifties and that is of course that was
0:55:08his hometown that's where he was born
0:55:09that's where he took his acting lessons
0:55:12this is where he did his family raised
0:55:14them and so he had to give this long
0:55:16long tours had have the Boston Boston's
0:55:18North End is filled the folk to the
0:55:20south end with a visit then
0:55:21well with the east end well that's the
0:55:23harbor well we're okay and can talk
0:55:25about the Western because that's where
0:55:26the elevator the elevator highway is
0:55:27well isn't that isn't thanks for
0:55:30downloading it isn't this here's a test
0:55:34of the new army theater sound system who
0:55:38would put the ball in the bomb
0:55:42shabam shove all who put the ram in the
0:55:46rap a lab adding dog but yeah that's
0:55:50with its there's actually there's
0:55:53actually live discussion about where is
0:55:54that film now because they the museum of
0:55:56science has not released it there's some
0:55:57bootleg film of people who just managed
0:56:00to sneak some sort of video camera
0:56:02because the tourists were there so
0:56:03people did like shoot video of those
0:56:06before you know the recording industry
0:56:08was like militant it's yeah it's a big
0:56:11piece of estonia the well i have a
0:56:14hammer
0:56:15and i have a bell and i'm going to ring
0:56:19it all over this lab you gotta love that
0:56:25actually that you gotta love the
0:56:26shameless tie-ins and he was happy to
0:56:30provide military or absolutely and read
0:56:33into that what else what else do you
0:56:35guys want to talk about on this on the
0:56:37subject I i I've run out of my notes of
0:56:40the various things that i wanted to talk
0:56:42about that we can go anywhere you want
0:56:43with us
0:56:44there's a show that was a movie it was
0:56:47like as a pilot from the early seventies
0:56:49called baffled
0:56:52I think where he is a racecar driver who
0:56:57developed psychic powers and then the
0:57:00series was going to be amusing a psychic
0:57:02powers to help save people every week
0:57:03and it sounds ridiculous but it's not
0:57:06bad huh
0:57:07but of course the reason it's not bad
0:57:09anymore anymore at the wikipedia page
0:57:12says that holds eight pilot for a
0:57:15television series the story is part of
0:57:17the occult detective sub-genre well i
0:57:20called ya jack i guess what is that how
0:57:23big is that sub-genre that's like a
0:57:26parent apparently there were some but
0:57:28yeah it's it's not bad i mean you know
0:57:31early seventies a cold crime drama but
0:57:36that's weird it's it's funny used to pop
0:57:39up every now and then on on the the
0:57:41independent stations when I was younger
0:57:42and yeah if you come across it and it's
0:57:46probably on youtube at this point i
0:57:48guess we should mention that he also
0:57:49directed three men and a baby in
0:57:52addition to start your career and star
0:57:53trek for which is the highest grossing
0:57:55film of 1987
0:57:57yep and spend funny about love with Gene
0:58:00Wilder also also it is contribution to
0:58:03the simpsons hit anyone who started the
0:58:05monorail yes
0:58:07talk about a cherry on the top of an
0:58:09already big cherry on top of a career
0:58:12the cosmic dance goes as himself in
0:58:14March vs. the monorail was fantastic
0:58:17my work here is done you didn't do
0:58:19anything did not haha
0:58:23yeah I like that uh I like that he he
0:58:26became friendly with Zachary Quinto
0:58:30actually while they're working on Star
0:58:31Trek I thought that was Zachary Quinto a
0:58:33nice post today about his friend Leonard
0:58:35that I you know that that's gonna be
0:58:37weird when we talked about like acting
0:58:40against chris pine but it's gonna be
0:58:42weird right to be like yeah you're Spock
0:58:45now I me I know when we talked about the
0:58:48original or know the the JJ Abrams
0:58:51reboot movies we talked about the idea
0:58:55of trying to transform these characters
0:58:57into not one actor one character but
0:59:00into you know I think JJ Abrams said
0:59:02think of it like Shakespeare that you
0:59:03know you got these parts the classic
0:59:05parts now you're doing them but if you
0:59:07want anymore that had to be very strange
0:59:09to see somebody else trying to be mr.
0:59:11Spock for the first time and yet you
0:59:14know it sounds like they actually bonded
0:59:17over being mr. Spock and having to put
0:59:19on those years we've seen that that car
0:59:21and they did they did a wacky superbowl
0:59:24commercial I couldn't tell you what card
0:59:27was for now without his vote to your
0:59:28mercedes-benz or volkswagen but you know
0:59:31as a foreign car but it's delightful in
0:59:33the long version of the ads is hilarious
0:59:36the two of them are great together
0:59:38that's a good one i'm gonna i'm looking
0:59:40it up now audi yeah you know that was in
0:59:42my head I was the animals audi but I
0:59:44couldn't remember for sure it was a good
0:59:46and because was effective and it was a
0:59:48bad as it wasn't yeah
0:59:50as are all the best and we must have
0:59:52been weird too because you know Chris
0:59:53Pine uh is kind of has the spirit of
0:59:57Captain Kirk doesn't look like William
0:59:58Shatner all that right exactly
0:59:58Shatner all that right exactly
1:00:00quinto is like a dead ringer for four
1:00:02spot a young leonard nimoy young pretty
1:00:05much yeah yeah that must have had an
1:00:08extra added awareness weirdness I meant
1:00:10well you know you can I have one of
1:00:14those situations i read today said you
1:00:17know 50 50 years in the business
1:00:18basically 50 60 60 years in the business
1:00:21I mean depends on where you can't but a
1:00:23long long career embraced this character
1:00:27was loved and you know it's an iconic
1:00:30role you know I i just got I kind of
1:00:36can't think of a better life led then
1:00:38then Leonard Nimoy's hehe came to terms
1:00:41with being part of this cult phenomenon
1:00:45and this character that was iconic he
1:00:48was able to do his art do his
1:00:50photography got to still do some acting
1:00:55when he wanted to I don't know III as as
1:00:59lives go you gotta you gotta say he he
1:01:02did right he didn't heat people like him
1:01:04they liked working with him they you
1:01:07know it's a he seems to have gotten a
1:01:10gotten pretty high score on this thing
1:01:12as far as i can tell i can't remember
1:01:14who it was i saw tweeting earlier but
1:01:16someone said that you know as an artist
1:01:19as a person if you measure a person's
1:01:23life by how much enjoy they brought to
1:01:25how many people his is going to be hard
1:01:27to top
1:01:28yeah you know Jim Henson yeah right you
1:01:32know but but it's there's a certain
1:01:34rarefied group why the people who met
1:01:38him you know you felt touched by him
1:01:41yeah will Wheaton had a beautiful post
1:01:45today where he said I didn't get to know
1:01:47him he was on the show after i left i
1:01:49never really got to know him as a person
1:01:50but from everything I've heard everybody
1:01:53that I know that I'm very close with
1:01:56loved him and then he was he was as
1:02:00wonderful as I always hoped he would be
1:02:02when I was a little kid watching Star
1:02:03Trek I loved his persona on Twitter the
1:02:05last few years he was a great tweeter of
1:02:09you know and every like everything was
1:02:11like a one liner and it all ended
1:02:12without
1:02:13lopl AP live long and prosper but he was
1:02:16he would he did a lot of things like
1:02:18listen grandpa
1:02:19ok let's move on to your grandfather I'm
1:02:22your see if you don't have a grandparent
1:02:23i'll be your grandparent
1:02:25yeah 3 or 4 years ago was like anyone
1:02:27here who wants to make me an honorary
1:02:28grandpa go ahead down here I'm here you
1:02:32know his final tweet is when is just a
1:02:34beautiful thought that no he wins that
1:02:36nobody's ever gonna send a better final
1:02:39tweet ever
1:02:40yeah I I showed it to the
1:02:42thirteen-year-old today and and hit me
1:02:45just sort of teared up four seconds like
1:02:47watching breath of God again like and
1:02:50and you know he you know he he wasn't
1:02:52really reacting and then it should be
1:02:53like oh wow yeah because you know he's
1:02:5713 he isn't thinking about things like
1:02:59that and he doesn't he doesn't need to
1:03:01his final tweet was a life is like a
1:03:03garden perfect moments can be had but
1:03:05not preserved except in memory
1:03:08live long and prosper and he did and he
1:03:10did not know it's very sad but at the
1:03:13same time I'm like I said light life
1:03:17well-lived it's hard you don't want you
1:03:21don't let them go and it said that
1:03:23they're gone but boy it is so much
1:03:26better to to have that Colonel of what a
1:03:30great life this person lived and how
1:03:33many people they touched and you know
1:03:36when i say it can be easily come across
1:03:38as fast i when i say something like you
1:03:39you know that's pretty high score in
1:03:41life but you know that that's my point
1:03:44is that that we should all live long
1:03:48lives and touches many people and seemed
1:03:51to be at such peace and ease with their
1:03:54life as Leonard Nimoy was that is that I
1:03:57you could not ask for much more than
1:03:59that I think I mean he'll he'll live on
1:04:02as as you know as people write more fan
1:04:05fiction and more things you know like
1:04:07Holmes and Watson you're right because
1:04:09it's holmes and watson there there
1:04:11wasn't a definitive thing to begin with
1:04:13it was it all came from the stories but
1:04:16with this i mean even even with things
1:04:19that are adapted like Harry Potter yeah
1:04:21okay there's a lot of harry potter
1:04:22fanfiction but you're still starting
1:04:23from the books where is in this Yuri
1:04:26only when you're writing when you're
1:04:27creating a story with these characters
1:04:29you're hearing Shatner and Emily yeah
1:04:31you know it's you just can't and as good
1:04:34as the the new movies are you still hear
1:04:38it
1:04:39well I mean like I said Zachary Quinto
1:04:41is doing Spock right but Spock is
1:04:44Leonard Nimoy Spock is a couple was a
1:04:46collaborative creation of Leonard Nimoy
1:04:48and writers and producers and a lot of
1:04:52it was Leonard Nimoy so you know but
1:04:54bigger bigger than that even like I you
1:04:56we would balance that the character
1:04:58Spock had a lot of parents with a lot of
1:05:01contributions but the way that that that
1:05:04character was implemented on screen was
1:05:07one percent Nimoy and then if you just
1:05:10think forward that every single actor in
1:05:14every single star trek movie or TV show
1:05:17that is ever played a Vulcan is doing a
1:05:20leonard nimoy for or and out i mean you
1:05:22could argue or an outsider figure all we
1:05:25were there always is one there are they
1:05:27are mr. Spock is hanging over them right
1:05:30mr. spot is the one that just will not
1:05:33lie i want to give him credit for for
1:05:35the the way that Vulcans are the poster
1:05:37art real he owns vaccine you see there's
1:05:40something there's something there's no
1:05:41one person that invented here's here's
1:05:43what Klingon sound like and here's how
1:05:45they behave and there are so many other
1:05:48series and franchises you'll see well
1:05:51i'm a member i'm a member of the booboo
1:05:53race but hey I'm I'm the energetic one
1:05:55that kind of talks like Paul in but our
1:05:57McGruff one who kind of talks like this
1:05:59he created a template that was so sturdy
1:06:02that was like nope this is how you
1:06:04define a Vulcan if you do not see if you
1:06:06don't make the same choice that he made
1:06:07choices that can be applied generation
1:06:11after generation in scene after scene
1:06:13character character they still work
1:06:16I don't I i'm not saying that he was the
1:06:18greatest actor who ever lived that's
1:06:20such a stupid thing to say about any
1:06:22suppurative but i don't think you'll
1:06:24find an achievement that is more
1:06:26impressive than that great i I my
1:06:29impression is I'm impressed because not
1:06:31only is it all the physical but so many
1:06:33other aspects of his personality that
1:06:34you could normally ascribe to well that
1:06:36was the way the character was written
1:06:38a lot of that came from him too so in
1:06:40addition to all the physicality there
1:06:43are a lot of other points to but you're
1:06:44absolutely right i'm sure that if you're
1:06:46Tim or us or with jolene blalock you you
1:06:49sat down with mr. Spock with to learn
1:06:53how to be a Vulcan right blood since it
1:06:56did its always amused me how you know
1:06:58you look at all the different alien
1:06:59races and Klingons are Klingons and the
1:07:01new in Dorian's are in Dorian's and
1:07:02there's not really i mean certainly with
1:07:05Andorians there's not that much defining
1:07:06them except blue and in 10 a right and
1:07:10had weird for outfits and with all the
1:07:14Vulcans I mean yes you you still get
1:07:16mark leonard and you still get jolene
1:07:19blalock and you still get some rest and
1:07:20their personalities are still there but
1:07:23the vab it'sit's exactly its there's
1:07:26dishes this essence of Spock to all of
1:07:29them that comes through that wouldn't be
1:07:32there if it hadn't been rendered morning
1:07:34before we go what I have one more story
1:07:36to tell which is you know mr. Spock is
1:07:38the Vulcan hand gesture and yet it's
1:07:39become to recommend or or represent
1:07:42Trekkies and trekkers and whatever else
1:07:44beats are transported called Star Trek
1:07:45fans let's call him that I like that so
1:07:48I was on a cruise in hawaii in like 2003
1:07:51i want to say 2002 was the wisdom the
1:07:53mac cruise but it was also the same
1:07:55cruise ship was a star trek crews and
1:07:58the luau that they did the day than the
1:08:00night before that the ship took off was
1:08:02that took off its not a spaceship its
1:08:04sailed away quite a crew with a 17 rise
1:08:09of the season space career at the UH the
1:08:12so it's like in Hawaii and uh and and he
1:08:17was better Ludacris yeah um and so the
1:08:20luau beforehand was all the Star Trek
1:08:22people and all the the the computer
1:08:24people and it was him a cruise and a
1:08:26pearl crew there's a whole like think
1:08:28lots of nerds were there are various
1:08:31kinds and the thing that one thing that
1:08:34impressed me the most actually was that
1:08:36George Takei was there and when they
1:08:38introduced him at the low he stood up
1:08:40and he had the huge George Takei smile
1:08:43and gave the Vulcan hand signal and part
1:08:46of me was like wow that is really a
1:08:48symbol of of being a Star Trek fan
1:08:51and then the other party was like mr.
1:08:54Sulu is not a Vulcan and does not do
1:08:56people in the hand symbol
1:08:58excuse me mr 2kay but i think i pointed
1:09:01out the next morning he did not take
1:09:03that fortunately we're in the hot tub so
1:09:06we're both very right about two years
1:09:09ago they do the the TEDx Broadway which
1:09:12is all that theater and Broadway now
1:09:14whatever and two years ago I I got to go
1:09:17and George Takei was one of the speakers
1:09:20and he gets up and he talks about this
1:09:22is Japanese internment camps show that
1:09:25he wants to bring Broadway and he
1:09:26finally is and but he ends it you know
1:09:29that there's a little bit of PowerPoint
1:09:31but there's not much but the very last
1:09:33thing all of a sudden there's the
1:09:34enterprise and he just starts into these
1:09:38are the voyages of the Starship
1:09:39Enterprise and you could tell the the
1:09:43trek fans in the audience because they
1:09:44all started mouthing it along with him
1:09:46yeah he doesn't have the simple and then
1:09:49do like a whole bunch of us raise our
1:09:50hands and I look over at the the friend
1:09:54i went with and and he's doing because I
1:09:55could hear him and I just looked at him
1:09:58and he looked at me said aren't you
1:09:59doing i said i'm doing it silently in my
1:10:01head haha shut up you also you know when
1:10:05I was something I i wanted to mention i
1:10:07forgot to mention it is I'm i talk about
1:10:10a journey of a leonard nimoy took from
1:10:12rejection to acceptance of Spock and and
1:10:14really kind of having it be thinking of
1:10:17the good things that brought him and and
1:10:19just accepting that that he and Spock
1:10:21we're going to be inseparable and that
1:10:22was okay and in fact that was good
1:10:25so in galaxy quest dr. Lazarus it's it
1:10:33is Leonard Nimoy's story in fast-forward
1:10:36because essentially the alan rickman
1:10:39character Alexander Dane he is a
1:10:42classically trained actor likely anymore
1:10:45was a stage actor and he gets in the
1:10:47silly TV show and now everybody is
1:10:49spouting philosophy to him and he
1:10:51rejects it and he thinks it's ridiculous
1:10:53and by the end he has that touching
1:10:55moment with a with the thermium who dies
1:10:57and and says that you know I've lived my
1:10:59life yet by your teachings and i would
1:11:01this is an important philosophy to me
1:11:02and he has that memory says this is
1:11:04really important to people and make
1:11:05and it matters in their lives and that
1:11:06means I matter in their lives and I have
1:11:08to respect that and that and he turns at
1:11:10that moment and it really it really
1:11:12changes that character type of the of
1:11:15the actor playing the park to understand
1:11:17how much it meant and i always see that
1:11:19as being the letter anymore journey in a
1:11:22in a compressed time frame and it is my
1:11:26favorite thing in galaxy quest is that
1:11:28is that scene where he realizes over the
1:11:32dying alien that this silly thing that
1:11:34he's been disparaging really matters to
1:11:36people it really is part of the immense
1:11:38burden that Nimoy and the rest of those
1:11:41like a line characters have that even if
1:11:44they have come to peace with the show
1:11:47even if they truly love this show
1:11:49they can never fully appreciate that
1:11:51every time they have 30 seconds with a
1:11:53fan that can be such a momentous time
1:11:57for that person they have no idea there
1:11:58are people who were going to kill
1:12:00themselves that found the strength to
1:12:02move forward because a while but what if
1:12:05I were the star trek universe with my
1:12:07character do what would Spock do what
1:12:08would overlook McCoy do that the this
1:12:12fandom can have good aspects to it and
1:12:14bad aspects to it but there's some
1:12:15people who have very unfortunate who
1:12:18that is the thing that they cling to the
1:12:20gives them that tether to reality
1:12:23despite the fact that it's fiction and
1:12:25that burden that these actors have to
1:12:27know that I can I don't care how tired I
1:12:29am I have to give this person a smile
1:12:31after shake their hand when i get a
1:12:33letter from somebody i might be getting
1:12:34a letter that is just absolutely
1:12:36shocking and pushed me this horrible
1:12:38position of i have a choice a or choice
1:12:40be either one of them will cause a
1:12:43reparable harm to this person if I screw
1:12:45it up
1:12:46I cannot imagine a nearby and maybe some
1:12:50of us have in this position because we
1:12:52write so much for so many things
1:12:53sometimes you'll get an email from
1:12:56somebody or a letter from somebody that
1:12:57refers to something that you've even
1:13:00completely forgot you said that you know
1:13:02that really came with the absolute right
1:13:04time and it really helped me out a lot
1:13:05and I'm like I had no idea that these
1:13:09around with a casual gesture that I
1:13:11could even have that kind of power to do
1:13:13that for millions and millions of people
1:13:16i do not understand what
1:13:17That Bird must have been like for that
1:13:19man one especially I you know you always
1:13:21hear the stories of Martin Luther King
1:13:23encouraged and she'll locals to stay on
1:13:25the show and be an example but how many
1:13:28people haven't said that about Spock
1:13:31right i know a lot of of people who use
1:13:35and you know what I was an outsider or I
1:13:37was an outcast or I was a different
1:13:39ethnicity in in the school I went to
1:13:42and.and spot gave me the strength to be
1:13:44there to be the smart person off to the
1:13:47side i could be cerebral in you know or
1:13:50you like wilwheaton was saying in his in
1:13:52his post when when they played on the
1:13:56playground he would he would eventually
1:13:57talk the kids into playing Star Trek and
1:13:59they didn't always want to and and but
1:14:01he didn't want to be kirky always wanted
1:14:03to be Spock because he could be the
1:14:05cerebral weird kid that he was normally
1:14:09right now and and you don't hear about
1:14:12that because you know who even thinks
1:14:16about that who would think to say that
1:14:17is a I identified with spot because of
1:14:20this and this was a powerful thing for
1:14:23TV in 1967 it's a little bit of our
1:14:26cultural history it's a little bit of
1:14:28our childhood and yeah I don't know what
1:14:32else to say I think he lived a great
1:14:34life and left a great legacy and we'll
1:14:36miss him and we will always have mr.
1:14:38Spock I would like to thank my guests
1:14:41for taking some time to talk to me about
1:14:42this this iconic character in this life
1:14:45well-led David lower thank you for being
1:14:47here thank you as always and Enoch oh
1:14:50thanks so much for joining us tonight
1:14:52young ND at some point you're going to
1:14:54ask an intern at mac user how to try to
1:14:57do HTML
1:14:58this will start a relationship that will
1:14:59be very fruitful to both of you for the
1:15:00rest of our lives and i encourage you to
1:15:02pursue it a little message to young Andy
1:15:04and Scott melty thank you thank you for
1:15:10having me on you you can go back to your
1:15:11random track now where you will tear up
1:15:14a little bit perhaps the next time you
1:15:15get a classic series episode that's
1:15:17right i'm thinking of doing a special
1:15:19random traveling is non-random that
1:15:20would be great
1:15:22yeah that would be awesome although it
1:15:24break all formats and all the random
1:15:26track listings be like once got doing
1:15:27this madman but I think you've got
1:15:29righteous what just just shave your
1:15:31beard goatee for the purpose of work
1:15:34it's a mirrors got rid of a specific
1:15:36that's right i like it in the mirror
1:15:39universe it's all chosen ahead of time
1:15:41as two hosts and one of them must kill
1:15:43the other by the end of the fun yes kill
1:15:45us both spot put them in the agony booth
1:15:48thanks to everybody out there for
1:15:50listening to this special episode of the
1:15:51uncomfortable we will be back next week
1:15:53with a regular episode that probably
1:15:55will be about Star Wars so set your set
1:15:58your phasers on stun and your glass
1:16:01shatters too full
1:16:03that's right I'll of Babylon 5 what you
1:16:07look like a panda in a session
1:16:09ceremonial dagger I think he carried
1:16:12that off thats wearing right now and
1:16:13nothing else
1:16:14oh my i guess i'll say it
1:16:18live long and prosper we'll see you next
1:16:21time
1:16:22space the final frontier
1:16:28these are the voyages of the Starship
1:16:30Enterprise
1:16:33your ongoing mission to explore strange
1:16:35new worlds to seek out new life-forms
1:16:39and new civilizations to boldly go where
1:16:44no one has gone
1:17:32stargate sg-1 the science fiction TV
1:17:36series its finite universe the original
1:17:40tron the 1989 film The Wizard starring
1:17:44Fred Savage last action hero
1:17:47Tosh but I read everything I could get
1:17:49my hands on on from analysis to backlash
1:17:53and eventually I was like you know why
1:17:55don't i just read it i love to show a
1:17:57lot and I feel like it's not even in the
1:17:59conversation and when it comes up it's
1:18:01just people don't even want to bring it
1:18:03up so you buried the lead that Fred
1:18:05Savage
1:18:06but but I really think a lot of it came
1:18:08from the fact that kids starting this
1:18:10move it rode on the coattails of we're
1:18:13going to see this movie that you see
1:18:14super mario brothers 30 really audiences
1:18:17did not like it they thought it was
1:18:18weird it to this day only has I think a
1:18:22star and a half on netflix this was
1:18:24actually very difficult for me I nearly
1:18:27took a taylor swift's new album 1989 no
1:18:30no now I have to go out and find
1:18:32somebody who loves it right i mean
1:18:34that's what you hear but you know why
1:18:36don't you ask a woman about them for
1:18:37real you know if it so hang on let's
1:18:39rewind a minute here because we have
1:18:41gotten quite in-depth quite quickly and
1:18:43and I realized that he hates you too for
1:18:47the same reason that I hated the rolling
1:18:50stones by any objective measure the
1:18:53wizard is not a great movie it's not
1:18:55even a good movie it's barely competent
1:18:58if you want to look at this as a
1:19:00commedia dell'arte style presentation of
1:19:03tropes it succeeds admirably pepper and
1:19:07then they called him and they said well
1:19:08you know you're cheaper than a linear
1:19:10committee will you do it
1:19:11that is crazy i hadn't i didn't know
1:19:13that all these that's wonderful really
1:19:16amazing they put they put bowling balls
1:19:18they were falling balls in in a video
1:19:21game and put it in a bowling alley
1:19:22because that makes it fun is underrated
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