500: All the Nerds in the Room


00:00:00   My streak is over.

00:00:02   Not our 500th episode streak,

00:00:03   'cause this is the 500th episode,

00:00:04   but my streak of not needing any kind of corrective eyewear

00:00:09   is over. - Oh, oh no.

00:00:11   Oh, what happened?

00:00:13   - So I turned 40 a few months ago.

00:00:16   - Yeah, everything takes a dump right around then.

00:00:19   - Warranty runs out.

00:00:20   - It must have been within the same month.

00:00:23   I started noticing, hmm,

00:00:25   my minimum focus distance is increasing.

00:00:28   (laughing)

00:00:31   And as that kept getting worse, I'm like,

00:00:33   you know, this seems to be happening quickly.

00:00:35   Like I'm suddenly noticing in the last few months,

00:00:38   like I can't focus as close as I used to anymore.

00:00:41   And it finally reached the point of like

00:00:44   my nighttime phone in bed reading distance.

00:00:47   And I thought, uh-oh, it's time.

00:00:52   I should probably go to an eye doctor

00:00:54   for the first time ever.

00:00:56   - Oh, I'm so jealous.

00:00:57   One of the advantages, I think, of being somebody who has been nearsighted their entire life,

00:01:02   my close-up vision is pretty darn good for someone of my advanced age.

00:01:07   Can't see anything two feet past my face, but close-up, boy, I don't need any corrective

00:01:12   lenses.

00:01:13   Yeah, well, now I have officially been prescribed reading glasses.

00:01:19   Oh, reading glasses!

00:01:21   Not even regular glasses, just reading glasses?

00:01:23   Oh, wow.

00:01:24   I'm still OK on distance, but I need readers now.

00:01:27   I mean, you could get prescription up-close glasses

00:01:30   as just probably saving you some money

00:01:31   to get cheap-out reading glasses.

00:01:34   They wanted me to pick out glasses there,

00:01:36   and I'm like, you know what?

00:01:37   I need my wife to be here for this,

00:01:39   because I don't have the confidence

00:01:42   to make this choice myself.

00:01:44   Also to catch you when you faint when

00:01:46   you see how much glasses cost.

00:01:47   I mean, readers are cheap, but you know, well, cheaper--

00:01:49   Just wait.

00:01:50   Just wait.

00:01:52   The connection between the bill of goods,

00:01:55   how much does it cost to manufacture, distribute,

00:01:58   blah, blah, blah, plus profit margin in the glasses

00:02:00   and how much you pay for them,

00:02:01   it's like the same connection between that

00:02:03   and printer ink prices.

00:02:04   It just makes no sense whatsoever.

00:02:07   - Yeah, by the way, people in the chat are saying

00:02:09   how lucky I am and how horrible their stuff is.

00:02:11   If it makes you feel any better,

00:02:12   I went bald and gray in my early 20s,

00:02:14   so it all balances out in different ways.

00:02:19   Anyway, so one interesting part about it,

00:02:23   besides the crushing anxiety of getting older

00:02:25   and having my body slowly break down

00:02:26   and having that be very apparent in a very clear way

00:02:29   all of a sudden, is that for the first time ever,

00:02:32   I had those eye dilating drops for them to do the exam.

00:02:35   - First time ever in your life, huh, wow.

00:02:37   - How was it trying to read your phone

00:02:40   moments after that happened?

00:02:41   - So at first, so he puts the drops in,

00:02:44   and he's like, all right, now you can go wait

00:02:46   in the waiting room, I'll bring you back in in 15 minutes.

00:02:48   And I was like, well, I'm like, all right, cool.

00:02:50   He's like, what things are we gonna do

00:02:51   is artificially age you forward by a lot.

00:02:54   Okay, whatever that means.

00:02:57   So I'm sitting in the waiting room at first,

00:02:58   like nothing's happening, and then I start noticing,

00:03:00   huh, it is starting now to get a little bit blurrier,

00:03:03   and then over the span of a couple minutes,

00:03:05   it's like, oh no, and it's to the point where like,

00:03:08   I'm holding my phone out and I'm like,

00:03:09   trying to get like a Twitter reply in like right before,

00:03:11   I'm like, I only have a minute left.

00:03:14   And I also, because Tiff couldn't come with me

00:03:17   for logistical reasons, so I was there alone

00:03:19   and I had just taken a Lyft there,

00:03:21   like from the ferry station.

00:03:22   She warned me about this, she's like,

00:03:23   you probably won't be able to drive home.

00:03:24   All right, all right, so I took a Lyft.

00:03:26   But right before I was about to lose sight of my phone,

00:03:30   I quickly went in and turned on increased contrast

00:03:33   and raised the font size all the way up.

00:03:35   And I opened up Lyft and kind of preset where I was going.

00:03:39   So I'm like, because I test with voiceover,

00:03:42   I could use my phone totally blind,

00:03:45   but because I don't regularly use it,

00:03:47   I'm very slow at it.

00:03:48   So I'm like, all right, let me at least set things up

00:03:50   as well as I can to give myself the best

00:03:52   chance of success here and hopefully able to do this.

00:03:55   Meanwhile, the eye doctor office has no reception.

00:03:59   It's one of those office buildings.

00:04:01   It's old concrete and steel probably, so it has no reception.

00:04:06   I'm doing all this with the slowest internet connection.

00:04:08   My phone's super hot trying to get a signal,

00:04:10   and I'm slowly losing my vision.

00:04:12   And it was quite a harrowing experience

00:04:15   to be doing this for the very first time at age 40

00:04:18   and never having experienced it.

00:04:19   It was, I mean, not to use a terrible pun,

00:04:22   it was illuminating, it really was.

00:04:25   Because I very much appreciated, first of all, my vision,

00:04:29   and I secondly very much appreciated

00:04:31   the accessibility features of the iPhone in that moment.

00:04:33   I could so quickly just boost stuff up,

00:04:35   and it was very apparent to me very quickly

00:04:39   how many apps, including sections of my own app,

00:04:41   like the now playing screen, are terrible with,

00:04:45   or just don't adjust at all.

00:04:46   Like, in my last update to Overcast,

00:04:49   when I did, I redid a lot of the list screen stuff,

00:04:52   I much better adopted dynamic text.

00:04:55   It's still not perfect.

00:04:58   I kinda have to wait for my Swift UI rewrite

00:05:00   to do a lot of that, 'cause I have a lot of really old

00:05:01   table view code that just does not resize gracefully.

00:05:04   So I did some of it in the last redesign,

00:05:07   and I wanna do more in like, you know,

00:05:08   the now playing screen stuff I'm working on next.

00:05:11   But man, so many apps don't even bother.

00:05:14   They don't even try.

00:05:15   - Nope, no, it's terrible.

00:05:16   You know, it's funny you bring all this up

00:05:18   because I had occasion to remember a blog post

00:05:21   I wrote back in 2016 about this exact same thing.

00:05:24   I was looking at this just earlier today

00:05:26   by pure happenstance, and you know,

00:05:28   I have truly terrible eyes.

00:05:30   I have this weird thing called keratoconus

00:05:31   where it makes my cornea,

00:05:34   it's the front of my eyes basically pointy.

00:05:36   Like, you would never know it just by looking at me,

00:05:37   although in extreme cases of keratoconus, it's very visible.

00:05:41   But for me, you would never know it by looking at me,

00:05:42   But that means I need hard contact lenses in order to like put a more like a rounded

00:05:50   front in front of my eyes so I can actually see.

00:05:52   And with my hard contacts in, I actually see pretty well without contact lenses, even with

00:05:58   glasses that are as thick as Coke bottles, I can't see garbage.

00:06:02   I can see like literally six inches in front of my head and then everything turns extremely

00:06:06   blurry extremely quickly.

00:06:07   You would think I would hate bouquet based on that, but I'd still like it for some reason.

00:06:11   But anyways, but I wrote a post back in 2016 about exactly this, and coincidentally the

00:06:16   GIF that I put in there was a text message between me and Underscore, where I was demonstrating,

00:06:21   cranking the font size from normal to just ridiculous in order for me to be able to see

00:06:27   it.

00:06:28   And yeah, it's one of those very striking things where if you're lucky enough to be

00:06:33   able-bodied and to not have any particular affliction which would require you to use

00:06:38   any of the accessibility features,

00:06:41   it doesn't seem like it's that big a deal

00:06:43   because myopically and selfishly it isn't.

00:06:45   And then suddenly, even if you're generally able-bodied,

00:06:48   or forgive me if that's not the appropriate term for it,

00:06:50   but if you're generally without needing

00:06:53   any of these affordances, then suddenly,

00:06:55   you get dilating drops or whatever the case may be,

00:06:57   and you do, and you realize, first of all,

00:06:59   thank goodness that Apple's put the work in,

00:07:01   and some developers, but not all of them,

00:07:03   thank goodness Apple's put the work in to make this possible,

00:07:05   be it because of dynamic text,

00:07:07   be it because of voiceover or what have you, but secondly, how unbelievably lucky are you

00:07:14   / me / we / whomever in order to not have to worry about that day to day? And it's really,

00:07:20   it's one of those things that's like, you know, the typical Republican thing of, oh,

00:07:23   this doesn't bother me because it doesn't affect me and then suddenly affects me and

00:07:26   now, oh, we need to change laws because suddenly this affects me. I found that I was very myopic

00:07:33   about this in a very Republican way, which I'm not proud of, and that was a very illuminating

00:07:37   experience again not to use the wrong word like you said Marco but it was an

00:07:40   illuminating you just said my offing I mean yeah that's true I don't even think

00:07:43   about that see I'm terrible I should just stop talking happy episode 500 but

00:07:47   but it was a good run and I ruined it but no seriously though it's it's really

00:07:53   it changes your perspective very quickly when you're put in a position even just

00:07:57   temporarily that you are that these sorts of affordances are absolutely

00:08:01   necessary and it's it's a cool that it's a possibility at all yeah I was I was

00:08:06   I was very thankful in those moments for,

00:08:09   yeah, both my usual need not for this stuff,

00:08:13   but then also that all of this stuff was available to me

00:08:16   in the phone I already had, with the software I already had,

00:08:19   and I, you know, I mean, partly 'cause I'm,

00:08:22   you know, because I'm a developer,

00:08:23   I know where the settings are,

00:08:24   but I was able to adjust it in seconds,

00:08:27   'cause I didn't have long.

00:08:29   Like, once the processor started accelerating,

00:08:31   I was like, oh no, I don't have long at all,

00:08:33   and I very quickly, like, was able to go do it,

00:08:35   and it was fine.

00:08:37   And the only, like, Lyft, I went back to Lyft

00:08:40   and it said you have to restart the app

00:08:41   to change your font setting. - Oh no!

00:08:43   - I'm like, all right, whatever.

00:08:45   Bad hack, okay, but I did that, it was fine after that.

00:08:47   But yeah, there were so many things

00:08:48   that were just not adjusted,

00:08:51   including some stuff in the system itself.

00:08:53   Like I was surprised, like,

00:08:54   I couldn't see my battery status, really,

00:08:57   'cause those little top parts of the status bar

00:09:00   don't adjust size, even when you put on control center,

00:09:02   like you don't even get a big version there.

00:09:04   I was kind of surprised at some of the system stuff

00:09:06   that was not embiggened by those settings.

00:09:09   But anyway, I was very thankful they were there

00:09:10   and it was very illuminating to me

00:09:13   and kind of shaming to me that like,

00:09:15   parts of my own app did not react well

00:09:17   and so I'm gonna be working on that.

00:09:19   But anyway, so here I have joined the ranks of,

00:09:22   I think most people ever that I now need some eye help

00:09:26   and well, here we go.

00:09:28   This is the start, it's a very minor start

00:09:30   but it will progress.

00:09:31   I actually, due to a previous costume need,

00:09:36   I actually own a pair of the model of glasses frames

00:09:42   that Steve Jobs wore.

00:09:44   And so I might like see if I can just get

00:09:49   reading glass lenses for those,

00:09:51   'cause like why should I buy more glasses

00:09:53   if I already have a pair that has dud lenses in it?

00:09:56   But I don't know.

00:09:57   - So this is the way you choose to save money.

00:10:00   It's not keeping the FJ Cruiser.

00:10:02   It instead it's saving on an extra set of frames.

00:10:06   I made a profit on the FJ Cruiser.

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00:11:03   although Jon would argue I'm the biggest jerk of them all.

00:11:05   I'll take that as a point of pride, I guess.

00:11:07   Anyway. - I guess you kinda cheated.

00:11:08   - I don't know about that anyway.

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00:11:58   Amazing so thank you genuinely from the bottom of my heart one password for doing that

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00:12:09   I will do a maya copa on the show. Yeah, I'm gonna say not correct. Okay. Well, what would you do then?

00:12:14   John I don't know, but I'm just I'm putting I'm putting my money on not correct

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00:12:48   I almost did it again, I almost forgot, I'm sorry.

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00:14:51   A little bit more housekeeping.

00:14:53   Today, right now, this episode is the 500th episode of ATP.

00:14:58   How did that happen?

00:15:03   How is that possible?

00:15:04   - Very slowly over time.

00:15:06   - Right, like I understand mathematics

00:15:07   'cause it was like, what was it, April

00:15:09   or something like that of 2013?

00:15:10   So it's about 10 years and about 52 episodes a year.

00:15:15   So I mean, it makes sense.

00:15:17   But your intrepid hosts with a couple of asterisks

00:15:21   have recorded 500 episodes of ATP,

00:15:25   and we have not missed a week

00:15:27   since something like April of 2013 or thereabouts.

00:15:30   And I'm pretty proud of us,

00:15:33   and I'm extremely thankful for anyone

00:15:35   who has listened to any episode much,

00:15:37   and I can't imagine people who have listened to all 500.

00:15:40   There's a really great website

00:15:42   that a listener put together, catatp.fm,

00:15:45   I think that's right, catatp.fm.

00:15:47   And on there, there's some really fun statistics.

00:15:50   I'm not gonna read all these off,

00:15:52   but the great and top statistic is total length

00:15:56   of all episodes, 988 hours, 45 minutes, 14.1 seconds,

00:16:00   which is just bananas.

00:16:02   I am genuinely, as much as I'm laughing and joking,

00:16:06   I'm extremely proud of what the three of us have done.

00:16:09   I am thankful to every single listener

00:16:11   that's listened to even but a moment of those 988 hours.

00:16:16   I mean, if you think about it, when we started,

00:16:19   I had a regular jobby job.

00:16:22   In fact, it was like one or two jobby jobs

00:16:24   before my last jobby job.

00:16:26   John was about halfway maybe

00:16:28   through his most recent jobby job.

00:16:31   Marco, well you've been a disaster

00:16:33   ever since we got together,

00:16:34   so that's no surprise there.

00:16:35   But I had no children, and now I have two and a dog.

00:16:40   I mean, it has been quite a run for all three of us.

00:16:44   And God willing, as I knock furiously on wood,

00:16:48   God willing, we have another 500 in us.

00:16:49   But one way or another, I am genuinely so thankful

00:16:52   to every listener who has listened,

00:16:53   who has at least looked at a sponsor's website,

00:16:57   and who has told their friends about us,

00:17:00   who has rated us five stars on Apple Podcasts,

00:17:04   whatever thing, any of you who have done anything

00:17:07   to help us, it genuinely, from the bottom of my heart,

00:17:09   means so much to us.

00:17:10   And I would like to tell,

00:17:13   I would like to talk about the surprise

00:17:14   unless you two have anything you wanna add.

00:17:15   - No, I wanna add just, you know,

00:17:17   how awesome everyone is.

00:17:18   And the thing is, this show, I mean, look, we love doing it.

00:17:22   And the reality is, even if our listenership

00:17:26   went down to nothing, we would probably still keep doing it

00:17:28   because you can't stop the three of us

00:17:30   from talking to each other about computers and other BS.

00:17:33   (laughing)

00:17:34   That just happens when you put us together.

00:17:36   'Cause that's how the show got made,

00:17:38   and that's how it keeps, and we said in the past,

00:17:42   Making the show for us is, while it is work,

00:17:47   it is very easy in the sense that we all get along

00:17:50   really well, we love talking about this crap.

00:17:52   As I said, we'll do it no matter what.

00:17:54   And everything just, it's an easy show to keep going.

00:17:58   We have no inter-host friction or drama.

00:18:02   We have good money coming in,

00:18:04   which we'll get to in a second.

00:18:06   And we have good logistics.

00:18:08   We're all in the same time zone,

00:18:09   our internet connections are all rock solid.

00:18:11   We all show up on time, all that stuff

00:18:14   that can make things hard to make.

00:18:16   We don't have those challenges, we're very lucky.

00:18:18   We have a news-based show, and so we're not

00:18:21   a subject matter really, and you also all

00:18:24   are a little flexible on what you will tolerate

00:18:26   us talking about, which also helps a lot.

00:18:28   So it's a show that we really do enjoy making

00:18:33   and that I think has a pretty solid future

00:18:36   ahead of it in addition to the pretty damn solid past.

00:18:38   And on the money thing, I think what,

00:18:41   we are very fortunate that we have the audience

00:18:44   that we have in all of you out there,

00:18:46   because we have a very loyal audience.

00:18:50   If you look at our raw numbers,

00:18:53   our audience does not really grow over time.

00:18:56   We grew for a while, and then we kind of found our audience,

00:18:59   and we stayed there.

00:19:01   And for most kinds of businesses or startups

00:19:05   or anything on the web, content stuff mostly,

00:19:08   Once you stop growing the audience, that's like death,

00:19:11   because there's usually a whole bunch of churn

00:19:14   of people who drop off the show

00:19:17   because they aren't interested anymore,

00:19:20   or it wasn't holding their attention,

00:19:21   or they stop listening to things entirely, whatever.

00:19:25   And for our show, that doesn't happen.

00:19:28   We have a very loyal audience.

00:19:30   It's a great place to be for people

00:19:33   who create any kind of content for a living like we do,

00:19:37   because we don't need to play the games

00:19:41   or have the same level of stresses that a lot of people do.

00:19:44   We can keep showing up and doing what we do,

00:19:47   and again, because it's mostly news-based,

00:19:51   we have an infinite supply of that.

00:19:52   News will keep happening in the tech business,

00:19:55   especially in the Apple sphere that we usually cover.

00:19:57   So that part's good, and as long as you all

00:20:00   keep showing up and listening,

00:20:02   we can largely ignore most of the crap

00:20:05   that other podcasters and other content creators

00:20:08   on other media are pressured to get into.

00:20:10   So we don't have to do weird growth hacking stuff.

00:20:13   We don't have to do that crappy dynamic ad insertion

00:20:17   of local car dealer ads.

00:20:20   We don't have to do any of that

00:20:21   because we have such a great loyal audience.

00:20:24   And so I really appreciate all of you a ton for that.

00:20:29   And the fact is that we've made 500 episodes

00:20:32   of the nerdiest stuff imaginable

00:20:35   And many of you out there have actually listened

00:20:39   to all of it.

00:20:40   Like, who else can say that?

00:20:42   There's not a lot of other shows out there

00:20:45   that can say that they've produced 500 multi-hour podcasts

00:20:50   over the span of a decade,

00:20:53   and many people in their audience have listened to all of it.

00:20:57   That's an incredible thing.

00:20:59   We are extremely lucky to have you out there

00:21:01   listening to us.

00:21:02   And so, thank you very much for that.

00:21:05   I want to give a special thanks to the listeners who write into us.

00:21:11   That is, I always feel like, kind of an unsung, you know, attribute of our show.

00:21:17   Yes, it's news based and we talk about news topics and we talk about whatever weird things

00:21:20   we're into or whatever we're buying and we talk about our lives to some degree.

00:21:24   But a lot of the best info on this show comes from our listeners because they email us,

00:21:29   tweet at us, whatever, and we have enough listeners and those listeners are nerdy enough

00:21:34   that if we talk about a topic, you know,

00:21:36   I'm gonna make something up.

00:21:37   It's like, we'll talk about mushrooms and be like,

00:21:38   we'll get an email right after the show is published.

00:21:41   I've been growing mushrooms for 50 years.

00:21:43   (laughing)

00:21:43   And it's like, what?

00:21:44   You've been growing mushrooms for 50 years?

00:21:46   You're a mushroomologist?

00:21:47   You went to, you are the head of the mushroom department

00:21:49   at some big university?

00:21:50   Like--

00:21:51   - Does one grow mushrooms or raise them or clone them?

00:21:54   What is the verb for producing mushrooms?

00:21:57   - I mean, we just had it recently

00:21:58   where they were talking about audio sync or whatever.

00:22:00   It's like, oh, I do this for a living.

00:22:01   You sync audio for a living?

00:22:03   It's like, yeah, that's a job.

00:22:04   - Yes, I do.

00:22:04   - Right, no, it's just, it's amazing.

00:22:06   Or someone's like, yeah, I did this for a living

00:22:09   back when I worked and now I'm retired.

00:22:11   And let me tell you how it was in the old days.

00:22:12   Just so many listeners with amazing knowledge.

00:22:15   And presumably they're just sitting there

00:22:16   listening to episodes for years for that one day

00:22:18   when we talk about audio and video sync.

00:22:21   And they're like, now's my time to shine.

00:22:23   And it's awesome and we love it.

00:22:24   Like they contribute so much, not just to Ask ATP

00:22:27   because we get tons of Ask ATP questions.

00:22:28   And I wanna apologize for that.

00:22:30   Like we do Ask ATP every show.

00:22:31   we try to do three questions a show if we can,

00:22:33   sometimes we have to skip it due to time constraints,

00:22:35   we get hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of questions

00:22:39   to ask ATP, and that's awesome,

00:22:41   but realize we can't actually answer them all.

00:22:42   But same thing with feedback or whatever,

00:22:45   this is just, our audience has so much knowledge,

00:22:48   and they're so specific, such specific knowledge

00:22:51   that I love that they will be able to

00:22:54   contribute to the show, right?

00:22:55   I used to get that when I wrote my long-form Mac OS X reviews

00:22:59   but by the time you publish the review,

00:23:00   it's too late for that info, but on this show,

00:23:02   there's always another episode and there's always follow-ups.

00:23:04   So I wanted to thank all the listeners for contributing.

00:23:08   And if you're out there and you have never written

00:23:10   to the show and you're like an expert

00:23:12   on like raising lizards or something,

00:23:14   just keep listening, who knows?

00:23:15   (laughing)

00:23:16   - We'll get there, we'll get there.

00:23:17   - We'll be talking about the Iguana flag Easter egg

00:23:19   on the PowerPC Mac and it'll be your time to hop in

00:23:22   and say, actually, it's not an Iguana

00:23:23   and you'll tell us all about it.

00:23:24   (laughing)

00:23:25   - Yeah, that's the thing too.

00:23:26   So we, I mean, I can assume from the two of you

00:23:31   that you probably had a similar time coming up in the world

00:23:36   as I did in the sense that we were all pretty far nerdier

00:23:41   than most of the people around us in our lives.

00:23:46   'Cause we all grew up in the early to none days

00:23:49   of the internet and so the internet has made it very easy

00:23:53   people to find other people like them for good and bad. That wasn't so much the case

00:23:58   when we were coming up. And so, you know, it was always like we were, we were the nerds.

00:24:05   And you know, that at the time that felt, it for me at least felt quite lonely a lot

00:24:09   of the times. And still in most of life, I am the nerd in the room. But this show brings

00:24:16   together all of the nerds in the rooms everywhere. Like all of you out there, there's a pretty

00:24:23   good chance. You were that nerd in the room and now you found others. And you can listen

00:24:29   to 500 episodes of us talking to and with and about other people like us. And it's a

00:24:36   very nice thing to find. In the same way I found my fish people when I went to the fish

00:24:39   concert and that's another thing that I never have any support for in the world. This is

00:24:43   the kind of thing likeā€¦

00:24:44   Jared: Nor here for them.

00:24:45   Michael: Nor here, yeah. But this is the kind of thing like, we found our people and it's

00:24:50   one of the great things that the internet makes possible.

00:24:52   And we're so lucky to have all of you out there,

00:24:56   because we can all be the nerd in the room together.

00:25:01   - I just wanna make one more pitch for my spiel

00:25:03   that I did on episode 400.

00:25:06   We usually don't do much for milestones,

00:25:07   but 500 is pretty big, and 400, I did a little thing.

00:25:11   It's in the after show.

00:25:12   If this is your first episode of ATP, I guess,

00:25:14   every 500 episodes, I should describe how the show works.

00:25:16   If this is your first episode of ATP,

00:25:18   At a certain point you'll hear someone sing a song that, well it's gonna be a different

00:25:22   song this week, but the normal song says the show is over.

00:25:26   It's not really over.

00:25:28   The show keeps going after the song for varying amounts of times.

00:25:32   That's kind of the after show.

00:25:34   In the after show of episode 400 I attempt to describe what I think people get out of

00:25:40   ATP and why we're doing it and what I think is good about it.

00:25:43   And I probably will literally never do that little speech again, so if you want to hear

00:25:46   I'm not going to do it today, but episode 400 is right out there.

00:25:49   ATP.fm/400 because we have good URLs.

00:25:52   All right. So surprise time.

00:25:54   So as a thank you to members of ATP and you can subscribe at ATP.fm/join.

00:26:01   You can go a year at a time or a month at a time.

00:26:04   And as a thank you to our members who, and we are incredibly thankful to everyone,

00:26:10   but kind of maybe especially the members.

00:26:12   As a thank you to the members we are doing for the first time,

00:26:15   exclusive content just for the members.

00:26:17   And we wanted to do something that is additive,

00:26:22   like we don't want to take away anything

00:26:23   that you're already getting.

00:26:25   And we wanted to do something that wasn't necessarily

00:26:27   our core competency, because again,

00:26:30   then it seems like maybe that's a little bit gross,

00:26:34   or at least that's the way we thought of it today.

00:26:35   You asked me again in 10 years at episode 1000,

00:26:38   where you're paying per segment or something

00:26:40   to listen to the show.

00:26:42   But sitting here now, we wanted to do something additive

00:26:44   that was a little bit out of our wheelhouse. And what we concluded was we are going to do a

00:26:50   three episode run, one episode per week, of ATP Movie Club. So the way this works is we watched,

00:26:57   the three of us watched three different movies. Each host had a chance to pick one of the movies.

00:27:03   So this week we are going to release the first episode of the three episode mini-series, that is

00:27:09   is the ATP Movie Club, and it is going to be all three

00:27:12   of us discussing the movie that Marco picked.

00:27:15   And Marco, would you like to describe what you did?

00:27:17   - Since I learned that Casey had not yet seen it,

00:27:21   the movie I chose to force him to watch

00:27:23   was My Cousin Vinny.

00:27:25   I love this movie, and you will hear why,

00:27:29   and it is, I think it's wonderful

00:27:34   to have put Casey and Jon through this.

00:27:36   Well, we'll let you hear what the two of us thought of it,

00:27:41   'cause, you know, again, all three of us watched all three movies.

00:27:43   And we're not gonna tell you what the other movies are.

00:27:45   I think we're gonna leave those as a surprise for when the episodes drop in the members-only feeds.

00:27:50   But we are starting with My Cousin Vinny.

00:27:53   I will say that the next pick was mine and the final pick was Jon's,

00:27:57   and that's all I'm going to say about that.

00:27:58   But this was a lot of fun for the three of us to do.

00:28:02   We're still doing the show after all three episodes, so I guess that's a good sign.

00:28:06   I think it was a little hit or miss for a couple of moments there, but for the most part, it was a lot of fun.

00:28:11   So that is as a thank you to members.

00:28:13   And you can go to ATP.FM/join to get these three episodes over the next three weeks.

00:28:19   As I sit here now, we, we want to do more exclusive content eventually, but we have no plans at this moment.

00:28:29   So this might not happen again till episode 1000.

00:28:31   It might not happen for a hundred episodes.

00:28:33   We honestly don't know.

00:28:34   But as a thank you to members, we wanted to do that

00:28:36   as a, in recognition of episode 500.

00:28:38   So that's what we've done.

00:28:41   And again, My Cousin Vinny as selected by Marco

00:28:43   will be the first episode that will drop

00:28:45   at some point this week.

00:28:47   - Yeah, and you know, speaking of feedback,

00:28:50   as part of what we do in the future,

00:28:51   it depends on how members feel about this.

00:28:53   Do you like it?

00:28:54   Was it fun?

00:28:55   Was it boring?

00:28:56   Do you not care about movies?

00:28:57   Let us know what you think

00:28:58   after all the episodes have aired.

00:28:59   - Yeah, and for each one, by the way,

00:29:01   like when you look at the title in the feed,

00:29:03   like watch the movie before you listen to it because there obviously will be spoilers

00:29:07   about the movies. So when you see the movie title in there, watch the movie before you

00:29:11   listen to it.

00:29:12   Yep, yep, yeah. We don't have any spoiler horn or anything like that. It's basically

00:29:15   spoiler city from the second that we start the episode. So be warned. All right. Now

00:29:21   we have to get on to the regularly scheduled programming. Thank you for letting us navel

00:29:26   gaze for just a moment.

00:29:27   Oh yeah, it's a tech podcast.

00:29:28   I have been riveted to figure out what's going on with your polarizer and lens protector John.

00:29:34   Oh no.

00:29:35   It's back baby, it's back.

00:29:37   We didn't get to do this.

00:29:38   So when John talked about polarizers in the episode before the Apple event episode, we

00:29:44   got so much feedback because half of what he said was wrong and then we couldn't cover

00:29:48   it in last week because it was the event episode and we didn't have time.

00:29:52   So we just kept getting more and more feedback.

00:29:55   Yep.

00:29:56   all the same stuff, yeah, everything you said was wrong.

00:29:59   - Not everything I said was wrong.

00:30:00   So here was the misunderstanding that I had.

00:30:02   Here was my, the main thing I was mistaken about,

00:30:05   which many, many people pointed out, of course.

00:30:07   I was talking about my polarizer

00:30:09   that I stick on the front of my interchangeable lens camera

00:30:11   and it's like a little thing that goes over the lens

00:30:13   and you can twist it.

00:30:14   And I was surprised that there was no markings on it

00:30:16   telling me like how it should be aligned or anything.

00:30:19   'Cause my, what I had in my head was that you would twist it

00:30:23   and there was a position where it was sort of like

00:30:25   at maximum effect and there was another position

00:30:27   where it was not doing anything.

00:30:29   And that's not true at all because what I had in my mind

00:30:32   was a two element system where if anyone has ever taken

00:30:35   two pairs of polarized sunglasses or two polarized pieces

00:30:37   of like, you know, material in like a, you know,

00:30:40   school laboratory or whatever, if you put them together

00:30:43   and you twist them, when they're at 90 degrees

00:30:45   to each other, like across, they'll be totally black.

00:30:48   And then when you twist them 90 degrees back the other way,

00:30:51   they're as transparent as they're gonna get.

00:30:53   but that's not how polarizers, a circular polarizer

00:30:56   that I bought and put on my camera works.

00:30:58   It only has one element, it's just a single polarizing thing

00:31:02   and so it's not twisting against any other polarized thing

00:31:05   so there is no position in which it is totally black

00:31:09   for instance or position in which it is, you know,

00:31:11   totally transparent or whatever.

00:31:13   Instead, it is just a polarizing filter

00:31:16   and it is going to let through light,

00:31:17   the waves are wiggling in one particular direction

00:31:20   or whatever, and the way you're supposed to use it is,

00:31:24   you, I mean, there's a whole bunch of people said,

00:31:26   oh, you can look at where the sun is, you can do this,

00:31:27   you can do that, but the bottom line is,

00:31:29   what light do you not want to get through,

00:31:30   and what light do you want to get through?

00:31:32   Twist, the simple answer is, twist the lens

00:31:35   until the picture looks the way you want it to look.

00:31:37   And that really is it, because it depends on what light

00:31:40   you're trying to cancel out.

00:31:41   Is it a reflection off a flat pool of water?

00:31:44   Is it a reflection off a curved car bumper?

00:31:46   Like, what are you trying to see or not see?

00:31:49   So that explains why there are no markings on it

00:31:51   because it is entirely up to you how you want to twist it

00:31:54   and how you want it to work.

00:31:56   And actually there is a filter that works the way

00:31:59   I was describing.

00:32:00   It's called a variable neutral density filter,

00:32:02   which actually is, you know,

00:32:04   we talked about neutral density filters two weeks ago.

00:32:06   It's like a way to block light

00:32:07   from getting into your camera

00:32:08   so you can have a bigger aperture

00:32:09   without blowing out the frames in your video or whatever.

00:32:12   A variable neutral density filter

00:32:13   is so you don't have to keep swapping filters.

00:32:15   It's one filter with two elements

00:32:16   that twist relative to each other,

00:32:18   to polarize elements, which was relatively

00:32:20   to become darker or lighter.

00:32:22   But anyway, I just have a brain polarizer filter.

00:32:24   But that's not the exciting part about this feedback.

00:32:26   So yes, thank you to everyone who sent me that feedback.

00:32:29   I'll put some links in the show notes of like explanations

00:32:31   of this that are more long-winded and more detailed.

00:32:35   But one person, Stepan Doelenzahl, sent me a link

00:32:38   to a MinutePhysics video about polarizers.

00:32:40   And I was like, oh yeah, well, a million people sent stuff.

00:32:42   I know MinutePhysics, maybe I haven't seen this one.

00:32:44   So I started watching it again,

00:32:45   and it goes through polarization.

00:32:46   It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, great.

00:32:47   It's got some cool diagrams.

00:32:48   But then it gets into a super cool thing

00:32:51   that kind of reminds me of, I mean,

00:32:54   it kind of reminds me of the feeling I got,

00:32:56   a feeling I used to get when I would tell,

00:32:58   this is gonna sound nerdy, you tell people about--

00:33:01   - No.

00:33:02   - The feeling you get when you tell people

00:33:03   about special relativity, it's kind of like--

00:33:06   - Have you done this a lot?

00:33:08   - Yeah, this is something that you just do from time to time?

00:33:10   - When I was a kid, I used to do it, right?

00:33:11   So here's the thing.

00:33:12   - This is the least surprising thing you've ever said.

00:33:15   - I'll put a link in the show notes about this.

00:33:17   This polarizer thing, if you haven't ever seen this before,

00:33:20   it will give you a similar feeling,

00:33:22   learning about special relativity.

00:33:23   It's like special relativity, you can explain it to people,

00:33:27   or when you first learn it, in my case,

00:33:29   when you're a kid or whatever, the ideas behind it,

00:33:31   like, wait a second, everybody in the world has known,

00:33:35   it's not everybody, obviously,

00:33:36   but everyone in the world has known that this is true

00:33:39   and no one has told me,

00:33:41   and they've known it since the early 1900s.

00:33:45   Everyone has known that the speed of light is a constant

00:33:47   in any inertial frame of reference,

00:33:49   and all the consequences that come from that,

00:33:51   and no one just says anything about it.

00:33:53   You tell someone about it when they're an adult,

00:33:55   and the consequences of it, and you're like,

00:33:56   "Yeah, things shrink in their direction of motion."

00:33:58   You're like, "What do you mean things shrink?"

00:34:00   Like, well, see, the speed of light is a constant,

00:34:02   everything else, including time and space,

00:34:04   adjusts to accommodate that.

00:34:05   Like, no, that's not how anything works.

00:34:07   Like, no, yeah, that's how things work.

00:34:08   It's like, no, that's not, yeah.

00:34:10   It's like the nature of reality.

00:34:11   So many people don't, things that,

00:34:13   fundamental things that people don't know

00:34:14   about the nature of reality,

00:34:15   mostly 'cause it's not relevant to your daily life,

00:34:18   when things are not moving past each other

00:34:19   at anything approaching the speed of light,

00:34:21   so it's not relevant.

00:34:22   But when you learn that about your reality,

00:34:25   you're like, it blows your mind, and then you learn,

00:34:27   yeah, and scientists have known this

00:34:29   for like 100-something years.

00:34:31   And you're like, what?

00:34:32   And no one told me?

00:34:33   So here, the polarizer one has something like that.

00:34:36   So here's the fun polarizer thing.

00:34:38   It's in the video, so I'll put a link in the show notes

00:34:40   if you wanna watch this YouTube video.

00:34:41   It explains it probably better than I'm going to right now.

00:34:43   But remember what I said about the polarizing filters

00:34:45   and like you, you know, you twist it and it like,

00:34:47   they only let through light that is going

00:34:49   in a particular direction and they don't let through light

00:34:51   that's going in other directions, right?

00:34:53   So if you take two polarizing filters and you put,

00:34:56   you know, one filter on one end of a tube

00:34:57   and one filter on the other end of the tube, right?

00:34:59   And you shine light in one end, right?

00:35:00   If you twist those two lenses relative to each other,

00:35:03   you can adjust how much light is going through

00:35:05   because the first filter will filter out some light

00:35:06   and then you twist the other one.

00:35:07   If you twist them in 90 degrees,

00:35:08   it in theory blocks all of the light, right?

00:35:11   and if you, you know, 90 degrees relative to each other.

00:35:13   And as you align them to be facing the same direction,

00:35:16   they let through as much light as possible, right?

00:35:18   So you get these two filters,

00:35:20   one on one and one on the other, and you twist them.

00:35:22   So they're knocking out some amount of light, right?

00:35:24   And you're like, okay, I put in this amount of light,

00:35:26   and then I see the amount of light

00:35:28   that comes out the other end is like half.

00:35:29   So the amount that I've twisted them,

00:35:31   I'm knocking out half the light.

00:35:32   The exciting thing about polarizing filters is

00:35:35   if you take that arrangement,

00:35:36   two filters, one on each end of a tube,

00:35:38   light goes in, half the light comes out.

00:35:40   If you put a third filter in the middle of the tube,

00:35:43   more light can come out the end than before.

00:35:48   - What?

00:35:49   - So you got two filters, light goes in,

00:35:52   half the light comes out.

00:35:53   It's like, I know what I'll do.

00:35:54   I'll put a third filter in the middle and I'll twist it.

00:35:56   And now more light comes out the end.

00:35:58   - Okay.

00:36:00   - What?

00:36:01   - And this is one of those things that's like,

00:36:02   okay, you think you know how reality works,

00:36:05   but it's like learning about special relativity.

00:36:07   It's like, wait, that doesn't make any sense.

00:36:08   And you start bargaining with yourself about,

00:36:10   Okay, well maybe like the first filter changes the light

00:36:13   so that the second filter like changes it back

00:36:16   so more of it goes through the second one.

00:36:17   Watch the video.

00:36:18   It will probably hurt your brain a little bit,

00:36:20   probably a little bit more than special relativity does

00:36:21   'cause that's the type of thing

00:36:22   you can explain pretty easily.

00:36:24   This gets into quantum mechanics and stuff.

00:36:26   But the bottom line is the universe does not work

00:36:28   the way you think it works in many really important ways.

00:36:31   And something as simple as a pair of polarizing sunglasses

00:36:34   can show you this and then lead you to do all the experiments

00:36:38   that again scientists did like, you know, 100 years ago,

00:36:41   to learn something about reality that scientists know

00:36:43   but regular people don't, that is very, very disturbing

00:36:46   and will really make you question the nature

00:36:49   of your reality as they say on Westworld.

00:36:51   - I feel better for having had my reality rocked

00:36:57   here on the 500th episode of ATP.

00:36:59   - See, other people just take drugs.

00:37:00   We have this stuff.

00:37:01   - We have physics.

00:37:03   - Next time you go to a fish concert,

00:37:04   bring a tube and three polarizing filters with you.

00:37:07   And be like, okay, light goes in the end, light goes in.

00:37:10   Now I'm gonna put in the third filter.

00:37:11   What do you think's gonna happen?

00:37:12   Everybody's like, it's gonna block more light, dude.

00:37:14   It's like, really?

00:37:15   Ah, more light is coming out.

00:37:16   - Watch this, baby.

00:37:18   - Whoa, how does that work?

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00:39:24   Colin Robertson writes in,

00:39:29   "Regarding the iPhone's main camera focal lengths,

00:39:31   Marco mentioned that he thought most iPhones until the 14 Pro were all equivalent to be about 26 millimeters

00:39:36   I was recently wondering the same thing

00:39:38   So I gathered as much information as I could about every iPhone camera system and I put it all together in a spreadsheet which we

00:39:43   Will link in the show notes. It's an iCloud numbers document. So who knows if it'll work, but we'll see

00:39:48   Colin continues to get to the point

00:39:50   The main camera is going from 37 millimeters on the original iPhone 3GS to excuse me

00:39:55   The original iPhone through 3GS to now 24 millimeters the 4 4s and 5 were all around 30 to 32

00:40:01   My favorite focal length was in the iPhone was the 4s rights Colin

00:40:05   Then to about 28 millimeters on the 5s through the 10 then to 26 millimeters starting with the 10s generation

00:40:11   Also, John assumed that the 2x mode on the 14 Pro camera is quotes still going to be better than any 2x camera that Apple

00:40:18   Has ever shipped unfortunately quote

00:40:20   I didn't believe him because that's a pretty heavy crop doing the math on that the new substantially larger sensor

00:40:26   cropped to the 2x size will take the 9.8 by 7.3 millimeter sensor to 4.9 by

00:40:34   3.65 millimeters, which is still larger than the 4 by 3 telephoto sensors that have been all the iPhone 2x and 3x cameras. Nice!

00:40:42   Finally, Jon should use a lens hood to protect his lenses rather than a clear UV filter. God help me, here

00:40:47   we are again. They help reduce flare which results in washed out low contrast images and are better at protecting the front element than a

00:40:54   I actually do use a hood on both of my lenses,

00:40:57   and I concur with Colin on this one.

00:40:59   -Yeah, I just wanted to throw that in there

00:41:01   because of the mention of UV and the hood thing.

00:41:03   So, yes, I use hoods on all my camera lenses.

00:41:07   That's not just for safety, although, of course,

00:41:09   it does provide some safety because, you know,

00:41:11   camera goes face down on the ground

00:41:13   that'll hit the hood first and not the lens element.

00:41:15   But it also prevents, you know, glare and everything.

00:41:17   It does what the lens hood is supposed to do.

00:41:19   But if you're at the beach,

00:41:21   one of the things you're trying to protect against

00:41:23   against is water and grit and sand and who knows what else,

00:41:27   jump, being thrown by crashing waves into the lens.

00:41:31   And in that case, the lens hood is only gonna protect it

00:41:33   if it comes from the side,

00:41:34   but if it comes straight out the lens,

00:41:35   that's when you need a clear helmet in the front.

00:41:37   And we mentioned last time that sometimes they call those

00:41:40   clear screw-on things that are not polarizing or anything,

00:41:42   they're just supposed to be a clear piece of material.

00:41:44   Sometimes they call those UV filters

00:41:46   for filtering out ultraviolet light,

00:41:48   which used to be much more important on film cameras

00:41:51   because film is more sensitive to UV light, but apparently on cameras, on modern digital

00:41:55   cameras most digital sensors or parts of the imaging system of digital cameras don't pick

00:42:02   up UV anyway.

00:42:03   There was an article I think we'll link in the show notes that has like graphs of the

00:42:06   various sensors in various cameras showing what wavelengths of light they are sensitive

00:42:10   to at all and a lot of them you see a hard cut off before you start going into UV.

00:42:14   In particular my camera that I'm using, you know, you don't need a UV filter for it.

00:42:19   So they still sell them as UV filters, and they still do filter out UV, but depending

00:42:23   on your camera, especially if it's a modern digital one, it may not be particularly useful

00:42:27   for protecting against UV, but it will protect against very small rocks.

00:42:30   I'm actually very happy to hear the reports of the 2X crop on the iPhone 14 Pro actually

00:42:38   having more sensor area to work with than the previous 2X cameras did, and presumably

00:42:45   the 3X camera as well.

00:42:47   We'll see, the reviews have all been pretty minimally

00:42:51   discussing the 2X, but so far it seems like

00:42:54   they might back this up.

00:42:56   And I don't actually have a 14 per hit, none of us do yet.

00:42:59   It's coming in a couple of days, but for next week's show

00:43:02   I hope to have some kind of impression of this.

00:43:03   Because the 2X camera and the 3X camera have always,

00:43:06   as we talked about in the show,

00:43:07   been so inferior optically to the 1X camera.

00:43:11   And maybe this will help a little bit.

00:43:13   The only thing is that it's not exactly a direct comparison

00:43:16   because you're getting the reduced color resolution,

00:43:21   if that makes sense, because you're taking

00:43:23   those quad-bayer pixels and you're gonna have,

00:43:27   the resulting pixels are gonna have

00:43:29   a different bayer arrangement than they would've

00:43:31   on a sensor dedicated just to that focal length.

00:43:33   You're gonna have the four, the clusters of four

00:43:36   of each color together and you'll be relying

00:43:38   on the raw algorithms to demosaic that color-wise, I guess,

00:43:44   and to interpret what the color should be,

00:43:46   and they're gonna be lower resolution on that input data

00:43:50   because of the clustering of those quad pixels.

00:43:52   So it isn't exactly a direct comparison,

00:43:56   but in practice, the sensors were so crappy

00:43:59   on the 2X and 3X cameras before

00:44:00   that this is probably gonna be an improvement anyway

00:44:03   just 'cause it is getting larger pixels

00:44:06   even though you have that issue of the reduced color detail.

00:44:10   - Yeah, that's the math that Colin did

00:44:11   because he didn't believe my mostly snarky comment

00:44:14   about it still being better than the 2X.

00:44:15   However, you do the math and the cropped sensor

00:44:18   that they're using for the 2X is still bigger

00:44:20   than any 2X or 3X sensor that Apple has shipped.

00:44:24   - Satellite location sharing.

00:44:27   If you're on an adventure, writes Apple,

00:44:28   without cell service, you can now use Find My

00:44:31   to share your location via satellite

00:44:33   so friends and family know where you are.

00:44:35   I feel like they mentioned this extremely briefly

00:44:37   in the keynote and then blew right by it.

00:44:39   - Yep, they did.

00:44:40   - Well, so since satellite isn't,

00:44:41   like this feature isn't shipping yet,

00:44:43   I forget what the date it is, but we'll talk more

00:44:45   about delayed dates in a little bit.

00:44:46   But anyway, we won't be able to test this

00:44:48   even when we get our phones.

00:44:50   My question is, okay, so I understand the feature,

00:44:53   but does it work by me having to pause in my hike

00:44:55   every once in a while and do that thing

00:44:57   where I point my phone at the satellite,

00:44:58   or does it happen ambiently with my phone in my backpack?

00:45:01   - I'm pretty sure you have to send it.

00:45:03   And the one thing is, so this is,

00:45:06   the way the emergency SOS via satellite feature

00:45:08   was advertised in the keynote,

00:45:10   and everything we know about it so far,

00:45:12   it seems like it is, with this exception,

00:45:16   only able to be used as a 911,

00:45:20   to actually get emergency responder help.

00:45:23   And so you wouldn't wanna use that

00:45:26   if it's not really an emergency.

00:45:28   If you just wanna send a message to somebody,

00:45:31   it would be inappropriate to use that service to do it.

00:45:34   But they said, outside of an emergency situation,

00:45:37   you can still use the satellite service they're providing

00:45:40   to send your location to people upon command,

00:45:44   so periodically.

00:45:45   So if you're out on a hike in the middle of nowhere,

00:45:47   you can send your location once or twice a day

00:45:50   or whatever it is to your spouse or whoever,

00:45:53   your people at home.

00:45:54   You can send it to them to say,

00:45:55   hey look, I was on top of this mountain today.

00:45:57   In case you need to know where I am,

00:45:59   in case something happens,

00:46:01   here's where I was a few hours ago or something like that.

00:46:03   So you can do that.

00:46:04   Now, I do wonder, are people gonna like

00:46:07   devise meanings for things?

00:46:09   Remember when you were growing up,

00:46:11   being the nerd in the room,

00:46:12   and you would need your parents

00:46:14   to pick you up from somewhere,

00:46:15   and you learned about collect calls,

00:46:17   and so you'd go to the nearest pay phone,

00:46:19   and you wouldn't put a quarter in.

00:46:20   You'd call collect to your parents,

00:46:23   and it would ask you for your name,

00:46:24   and you'd be like, "Hey, Mom, can you pick me up now, bye?"

00:46:26   And then your mom would get a phone call,

00:46:29   "Would you like to accept a collect call

00:46:30   "from, hey, Mom, can you pick me up now, bye?"

00:46:32   - As if your reading glasses story

00:46:33   didn't already make people think you're old.

00:46:35   None of the kids have any idea what you're talking about.

00:46:38   - Right, so in the absence of a proper communication channel

00:46:43   that you wanted to use, you would fake this kind of

00:46:46   sideband capability of this other channel

00:46:48   that you could use.

00:46:49   Well, I wonder, are you gonna devise a system with like,

00:46:52   okay, well, if my location is on the north side

00:46:57   of a little tiny hill, it means I want you

00:47:02   to deliver me a pizza.

00:47:03   If your location is on the east side,

00:47:06   It means I just saw a funny looking animal.

00:47:09   I wonder if people will do stuff like that.

00:47:12   - Nobody's gonna know what a collect call is.

00:47:13   And if I try to explain it now,

00:47:15   you're just gonna cut it out, aren't you?

00:47:16   - No, 'cause our listeners, somebody out there

00:47:19   was like the head engineer who designed collect calls.

00:47:22   (laughing)

00:47:24   - Yeah, we'll put a link in the show

00:47:25   and still collect calls.

00:47:26   It's not that interesting except to appreciate

00:47:28   modern technology and how lucky you are

00:47:30   to never have had to deal with this.

00:47:31   And also, and I would say the really more visceral part

00:47:35   dealing with collect calls and stuff like that, is the idea that as children we would

00:47:41   all just be waiting at the school for our parents to pick us up with no way to communicate

00:47:45   with them because we don't have a quarter for the phone and there's no one home to get

00:47:49   our collect call because our parents are at work or on the road or whatever and we don't

00:47:53   know their work number or if they're on the road we can't call them.

00:47:55   And so you just sit there at the school and there'd just be a bunch of kids sitting out

00:47:58   in front of the school just waiting, just waiting, half an hour, hour.

00:48:02   Sometimes you think about it, I could probably walk home, how far is it?

00:48:04   and you're like, "Ah, I'd walk along the highway,

00:48:06   "that seems dangerous," so you just sit there waiting.

00:48:08   And you assume your parents are gonna come

00:48:09   pick you up at some point.

00:48:10   That's an experience most kids don't have these days.

00:48:12   These days, they wanna get picked up,

00:48:14   they wanna get picked up now,

00:48:15   and if you're not there immediately,

00:48:16   something is wrong and they're nagging you

00:48:19   via text or whatever, we just have to sit at the school

00:48:21   and wait and assume someone will come and get us.

00:48:22   - If you're not there immediately,

00:48:23   they'll just summon their own Lyft from their phone.

00:48:25   (laughing)

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