ATP

00:00:00 ◼   ► My streak is over.

00:00:02 ◼   ► Not our 500th episode streak,

00:00:03 ◼   ► 'cause this is the 500th episode,

00:00:04 ◼   ► but my streak of not needing any kind of corrective eyewear

00:00:09 ◼   ► is over. - Oh, oh no.

00:00:11 ◼   ► Oh, what happened?

00:00:13 ◼   ► - So I turned 40 a few months ago.

00:00:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, everything takes a dump right around then.

00:00:19 ◼   ► - Warranty runs out.

00:00:20 ◼   ► - It must have been within the same month.

00:00:23 ◼   ► I started noticing, hmm,

00:00:25 ◼   ► my minimum focus distance is increasing.

00:00:28 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:00:31 ◼   ► And as that kept getting worse, I'm like,

00:00:33 ◼   ► you know, this seems to be happening quickly.

00:00:35 ◼   ► Like I'm suddenly noticing in the last few months,

00:00:38 ◼   ► like I can't focus as close as I used to anymore.

00:00:41 ◼   ► And it finally reached the point of like

00:00:44 ◼   ► my nighttime phone in bed reading distance.

00:00:47 ◼   ► And I thought, uh-oh, it's time.

00:00:52 ◼   ► I should probably go to an eye doctor

00:00:54 ◼   ► for the first time ever.

00:00:56 ◼   ► - Oh, I'm so jealous.

00:00:57 ◼   ► One of the advantages, I think, of being somebody who has been nearsighted their entire life,

00:01:02 ◼   ► my close-up vision is pretty darn good for someone of my advanced age.

00:01:07 ◼   ► Can't see anything two feet past my face, but close-up, boy, I don't need any corrective

00:01:12 ◼   ► lenses.

00:01:13 ◼   ► Yeah, well, now I have officially been prescribed reading glasses.

00:01:19 ◼   ► Oh, reading glasses!

00:01:21 ◼   ► Not even regular glasses, just reading glasses?

00:01:23 ◼   ► Oh, wow.

00:01:24 ◼   ► I'm still OK on distance, but I need readers now.

00:01:27 ◼   ► I mean, you could get prescription up-close glasses

00:01:30 ◼   ► as just probably saving you some money

00:01:31 ◼   ► to get cheap-out reading glasses.

00:01:34 ◼   ► They wanted me to pick out glasses there,

00:01:36 ◼   ► and I'm like, you know what?

00:01:37 ◼   ► I need my wife to be here for this,

00:01:39 ◼   ► because I don't have the confidence

00:01:42 ◼   ► to make this choice myself.

00:01:44 ◼   ► Also to catch you when you faint when

00:01:46 ◼   ► you see how much glasses cost.

00:01:47 ◼   ► I mean, readers are cheap, but you know, well, cheaper--

00:01:49 ◼   ► Just wait.

00:01:50 ◼   ► Just wait.

00:01:52 ◼   ► The connection between the bill of goods,

00:01:55 ◼   ► how much does it cost to manufacture, distribute,

00:01:58 ◼   ► blah, blah, blah, plus profit margin in the glasses

00:02:00 ◼   ► and how much you pay for them,

00:02:01 ◼   ► it's like the same connection between that

00:02:03 ◼   ► and printer ink prices.

00:02:04 ◼   ► It just makes no sense whatsoever.

00:02:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, by the way, people in the chat are saying

00:02:09 ◼   ► how lucky I am and how horrible their stuff is.

00:02:11 ◼   ► If it makes you feel any better,

00:02:12 ◼   ► I went bald and gray in my early 20s,

00:02:14 ◼   ► so it all balances out in different ways.

00:02:19 ◼   ► Anyway, so one interesting part about it,

00:02:23 ◼   ► besides the crushing anxiety of getting older

00:02:25 ◼   ► and having my body slowly break down

00:02:26 ◼   ► and having that be very apparent in a very clear way

00:02:29 ◼   ► all of a sudden, is that for the first time ever,

00:02:32 ◼   ► I had those eye dilating drops for them to do the exam.

00:02:35 ◼   ► - First time ever in your life, huh, wow.

00:02:37 ◼   ► - How was it trying to read your phone

00:02:40 ◼   ► moments after that happened?

00:02:41 ◼   ► - So at first, so he puts the drops in,

00:02:44 ◼   ► and he's like, all right, now you can go wait

00:02:46 ◼   ► in the waiting room, I'll bring you back in in 15 minutes.

00:02:48 ◼   ► And I was like, well, I'm like, all right, cool.

00:02:50 ◼   ► He's like, what things are we gonna do

00:02:51 ◼   ► is artificially age you forward by a lot.

00:02:54 ◼   ► Okay, whatever that means.

00:02:57 ◼   ► So I'm sitting in the waiting room at first,

00:02:58 ◼   ► like nothing's happening, and then I start noticing,

00:03:00 ◼   ► huh, it is starting now to get a little bit blurrier,

00:03:03 ◼   ► and then over the span of a couple minutes,

00:03:05 ◼   ► it's like, oh no, and it's to the point where like,

00:03:08 ◼   ► I'm holding my phone out and I'm like,

00:03:09 ◼   ► trying to get like a Twitter reply in like right before,

00:03:11 ◼   ► I'm like, I only have a minute left.

00:03:14 ◼   ► And I also, because Tiff couldn't come with me

00:03:17 ◼   ► for logistical reasons, so I was there alone

00:03:19 ◼   ► and I had just taken a Lyft there,

00:03:21 ◼   ► like from the ferry station.

00:03:22 ◼   ► She warned me about this, she's like,

00:03:23 ◼   ► you probably won't be able to drive home.

00:03:24 ◼   ► All right, all right, so I took a Lyft.

00:03:26 ◼   ► But right before I was about to lose sight of my phone,

00:03:30 ◼   ► I quickly went in and turned on increased contrast

00:03:33 ◼   ► and raised the font size all the way up.

00:03:35 ◼   ► And I opened up Lyft and kind of preset where I was going.

00:03:39 ◼   ► So I'm like, because I test with voiceover,

00:03:42 ◼   ► I could use my phone totally blind,

00:03:45 ◼   ► but because I don't regularly use it,

00:03:47 ◼   ► I'm very slow at it.

00:03:48 ◼   ► So I'm like, all right, let me at least set things up

00:03:50 ◼   ► as well as I can to give myself the best

00:03:52 ◼   ► chance of success here and hopefully able to do this.

00:03:55 ◼   ► Meanwhile, the eye doctor office has no reception.

00:03:59 ◼   ► It's one of those office buildings.

00:04:01 ◼   ► It's old concrete and steel probably, so it has no reception.

00:04:06 ◼   ► I'm doing all this with the slowest internet connection.

00:04:08 ◼   ► My phone's super hot trying to get a signal,

00:04:10 ◼   ► and I'm slowly losing my vision.

00:04:12 ◼   ► And it was quite a harrowing experience

00:04:15 ◼   ► to be doing this for the very first time at age 40

00:04:18 ◼   ► and never having experienced it.

00:04:19 ◼   ► It was, I mean, not to use a terrible pun,

00:04:22 ◼   ► it was illuminating, it really was.

00:04:25 ◼   ► Because I very much appreciated, first of all, my vision,

00:04:29 ◼   ► and I secondly very much appreciated

00:04:31 ◼   ► the accessibility features of the iPhone in that moment.

00:04:33 ◼   ► I could so quickly just boost stuff up,

00:04:35 ◼   ► and it was very apparent to me very quickly

00:04:39 ◼   ► how many apps, including sections of my own app,

00:04:41 ◼   ► like the now playing screen, are terrible with,

00:04:45 ◼   ► or just don't adjust at all.

00:04:46 ◼   ► Like, in my last update to Overcast,

00:04:49 ◼   ► when I did, I redid a lot of the list screen stuff,

00:04:52 ◼   ► I much better adopted dynamic text.

00:04:55 ◼   ► It's still not perfect.

00:04:58 ◼   ► I kinda have to wait for my Swift UI rewrite

00:05:00 ◼   ► to do a lot of that, 'cause I have a lot of really old

00:05:01 ◼   ► table view code that just does not resize gracefully.

00:05:04 ◼   ► So I did some of it in the last redesign,

00:05:07 ◼   ► and I wanna do more in like, you know,

00:05:08 ◼   ► the now playing screen stuff I'm working on next.

00:05:11 ◼   ► But man, so many apps don't even bother.

00:05:14 ◼   ► They don't even try.

00:05:15 ◼   ► - Nope, no, it's terrible.

00:05:16 ◼   ► You know, it's funny you bring all this up

00:05:18 ◼   ► because I had occasion to remember a blog post

00:05:21 ◼   ► I wrote back in 2016 about this exact same thing.

00:05:24 ◼   ► I was looking at this just earlier today

00:05:26 ◼   ► by pure happenstance, and you know,

00:05:28 ◼   ► I have truly terrible eyes.

00:05:30 ◼   ► I have this weird thing called keratoconus

00:05:31 ◼   ► where it makes my cornea,

00:05:34 ◼   ► it's the front of my eyes basically pointy.

00:05:36 ◼   ► Like, you would never know it just by looking at me,

00:05:37 ◼   ► although in extreme cases of keratoconus, it's very visible.

00:05:41 ◼   ► But for me, you would never know it by looking at me,

00:05:42 ◼   ► But that means I need hard contact lenses in order to like put a more like a rounded

00:05:50 ◼   ► front in front of my eyes so I can actually see.

00:05:52 ◼   ► And with my hard contacts in, I actually see pretty well without contact lenses, even with

00:05:58 ◼   ► glasses that are as thick as Coke bottles, I can't see garbage.

00:06:02 ◼   ► I can see like literally six inches in front of my head and then everything turns extremely

00:06:06 ◼   ► blurry extremely quickly.

00:06:07 ◼   ► You would think I would hate bouquet based on that, but I'd still like it for some reason.

00:06:11 ◼   ► But anyways, but I wrote a post back in 2016 about exactly this, and coincidentally the

00:06:16 ◼   ► GIF that I put in there was a text message between me and Underscore, where I was demonstrating,

00:06:21 ◼   ► cranking the font size from normal to just ridiculous in order for me to be able to see

00:06:27 ◼   ► it.

00:06:28 ◼   ► And yeah, it's one of those very striking things where if you're lucky enough to be

00:06:33 ◼   ► able-bodied and to not have any particular affliction which would require you to use

00:06:38 ◼   ► any of the accessibility features,

00:06:41 ◼   ► it doesn't seem like it's that big a deal

00:06:43 ◼   ► because myopically and selfishly it isn't.

00:06:45 ◼   ► And then suddenly, even if you're generally able-bodied,

00:06:48 ◼   ► or forgive me if that's not the appropriate term for it,

00:06:50 ◼   ► but if you're generally without needing

00:06:53 ◼   ► any of these affordances, then suddenly,

00:06:55 ◼   ► you get dilating drops or whatever the case may be,

00:06:57 ◼   ► and you do, and you realize, first of all,

00:06:59 ◼   ► thank goodness that Apple's put the work in,

00:07:01 ◼   ► and some developers, but not all of them,

00:07:03 ◼   ► thank goodness Apple's put the work in to make this possible,

00:07:05 ◼   ► be it because of dynamic text,

00:07:07 ◼   ► be it because of voiceover or what have you, but secondly, how unbelievably lucky are you

00:07:14 ◼   ► / me / we / whomever in order to not have to worry about that day to day? And it's really,

00:07:20 ◼   ► it's one of those things that's like, you know, the typical Republican thing of, oh,

00:07:23 ◼   ► this doesn't bother me because it doesn't affect me and then suddenly affects me and

00:07:26 ◼   ► now, oh, we need to change laws because suddenly this affects me. I found that I was very myopic

00:07:33 ◼   ► about this in a very Republican way, which I'm not proud of, and that was a very illuminating

00:07:37 ◼   ► experience again not to use the wrong word like you said Marco but it was an

00:07:40 ◼   ► illuminating you just said my offing I mean yeah that's true I don't even think

00:07:43 ◼   ► about that see I'm terrible I should just stop talking happy episode 500 but

00:07:47 ◼   ► but it was a good run and I ruined it but no seriously though it's it's really

00:07:53 ◼   ► it changes your perspective very quickly when you're put in a position even just

00:07:57 ◼   ► temporarily that you are that these sorts of affordances are absolutely

00:08:01 ◼   ► necessary and it's it's a cool that it's a possibility at all yeah I was I was

00:08:06 ◼   ► I was very thankful in those moments for,

00:08:09 ◼   ► yeah, both my usual need not for this stuff,

00:08:13 ◼   ► but then also that all of this stuff was available to me

00:08:16 ◼   ► in the phone I already had, with the software I already had,

00:08:19 ◼   ► and I, you know, I mean, partly 'cause I'm,

00:08:22 ◼   ► you know, because I'm a developer,

00:08:23 ◼   ► I know where the settings are,

00:08:24 ◼   ► but I was able to adjust it in seconds,

00:08:27 ◼   ► 'cause I didn't have long.

00:08:29 ◼   ► Like, once the processor started accelerating,

00:08:31 ◼   ► I was like, oh no, I don't have long at all,

00:08:33 ◼   ► and I very quickly, like, was able to go do it,

00:08:35 ◼   ► and it was fine.

00:08:37 ◼   ► And the only, like, Lyft, I went back to Lyft

00:08:40 ◼   ► and it said you have to restart the app

00:08:41 ◼   ► to change your font setting. - Oh no!

00:08:43 ◼   ► - I'm like, all right, whatever.

00:08:45 ◼   ► Bad hack, okay, but I did that, it was fine after that.

00:08:47 ◼   ► But yeah, there were so many things

00:08:48 ◼   ► that were just not adjusted,

00:08:51 ◼   ► including some stuff in the system itself.

00:08:53 ◼   ► Like I was surprised, like,

00:08:54 ◼   ► I couldn't see my battery status, really,

00:08:57 ◼   ► 'cause those little top parts of the status bar

00:09:00 ◼   ► don't adjust size, even when you put on control center,

00:09:02 ◼   ► like you don't even get a big version there.

00:09:04 ◼   ► I was kind of surprised at some of the system stuff

00:09:06 ◼   ► that was not embiggened by those settings.

00:09:09 ◼   ► But anyway, I was very thankful they were there

00:09:10 ◼   ► and it was very illuminating to me

00:09:13 ◼   ► and kind of shaming to me that like,

00:09:15 ◼   ► parts of my own app did not react well

00:09:17 ◼   ► and so I'm gonna be working on that.

00:09:19 ◼   ► But anyway, so here I have joined the ranks of,

00:09:22 ◼   ► I think most people ever that I now need some eye help

00:09:26 ◼   ► and well, here we go.

00:09:28 ◼   ► This is the start, it's a very minor start

00:09:30 ◼   ► but it will progress.

00:09:31 ◼   ► I actually, due to a previous costume need,

00:09:36 ◼   ► I actually own a pair of the model of glasses frames

00:09:42 ◼   ► that Steve Jobs wore.

00:09:44 ◼   ► And so I might like see if I can just get

00:09:49 ◼   ► reading glass lenses for those,

00:09:51 ◼   ► 'cause like why should I buy more glasses

00:09:53 ◼   ► if I already have a pair that has dud lenses in it?

00:09:56 ◼   ► But I don't know.

00:09:57 ◼   ► - So this is the way you choose to save money.

00:10:00 ◼   ► It's not keeping the FJ Cruiser.

00:10:02 ◼   ► It instead it's saving on an extra set of frames.

00:10:06 ◼   ► I made a profit on the FJ Cruiser.

00:10:08 ◼   ► If you wanted to spend some money instead of saving it, now is the time listeners

00:10:16 ◼   ► to go to stju.org/atp, S T J U D E.org/ATP, where you too can help end childhood

00:10:24 ◼   ► cancer. Like for real, you can help do that.

00:10:26 ◼   ► That is the thing that you, the listener that I'm talking to right now,

00:10:30 ◼   ► You can do it. You can also help prevent forest fires. But anyway, you can go to stjude.org/ATP

00:10:35 ◼   ► and you can donate to help end childhood cancer. Here's the thing, cancer sucks a lot.

00:10:40 ◼   ► It double sucks if it's afflicting a kid. So we don't want that to happen. You don't want that to happen.

00:10:46 ◼   ► Why don't you go to stjude.org/ATP and throw a couple of dollars their way? Or maybe many couples of dollars?

00:10:53 ◼   ► Hundreds or thousands of couples of dollars their way. If you recall, ATP as a group has donated

00:10:59 ◼   ► We donated $21,012 because we're all jerks

00:11:01 ◼   ► and we're fighting with each other,

00:11:03 ◼   ► although Jon would argue I'm the biggest jerk of them all.

00:11:05 ◼   ► I'll take that as a point of pride, I guess.

00:11:07 ◼   ► Anyway. - I guess you kinda cheated.

00:11:08 ◼   ► - I don't know about that anyway.

00:11:10 ◼   ► We're not gonna open that conversation again,

00:11:11 ◼   ► but Guilame Morin, and I apologize

00:11:14 ◼   ► if I've butchered your name,

00:11:16 ◼   ► is the current top individual donor,

00:11:18 ◼   ► as far as I'm aware, at $7,008.

00:11:21 ◼   ► Thank you very much. - Nice.

00:11:23 ◼   ► - You have not reached out to me that I have seen

00:11:25 ◼   ► to collect your stickers, if you're even aware

00:11:27 ◼   ► that that's a thing, I'm assuming so.

00:11:28 ◼   ► So please find a way to reach out to me and let me know, and I'm happy to send you stickers

00:11:33 ◼   ► anywhere that the United States Postal Service will deliver to, which is, no joke, many,

00:11:37 ◼   ► many, many, many countries.

00:11:38 ◼   ► So please reach out.

00:11:40 ◼   ► Additionally, breaking news as of just a few hours ago, 1Password has bought my love, at

00:11:47 ◼   ► least for a little while, by donating as a company $30,029.34.

00:11:53 ◼   ► I believe that odd number was to get the campaign as a whole past $200,000, which is amazing.

00:11:58 ◼   ► Amazing so thank you genuinely from the bottom of my heart one password for doing that

00:12:03 ◼   ► And also gee, I'm a a gee gee. I'm a I'm gonna go with that. I hope that's right fix correct me

00:12:09 ◼   ► I will do a maya copa on the show. Yeah, I'm gonna say not correct. Okay. Well, what would you do then?

00:12:14 ◼   ► John I don't know, but I'm just I'm putting I'm putting my money on not correct

00:12:18 ◼   ► Well, you know what? We can shame me as part of your seven thousand eight seven thousand and eight dollar donation

00:12:24 ◼   ► You can shame me or I will shame myself on the next episode. Just let me know

00:12:28 ◼   ► Well, anyways, so if you wanna end childhood cancer,

00:12:31 ◼   ► if you wanna support these incredible heroes

00:12:34 ◼   ► that are trying to end childhood cancer,

00:12:35 ◼   ► if you wanna support the research that they do

00:12:38 ◼   ► that is spread worldwide to end childhood cancer

00:12:40 ◼   ► not only here in America, but everywhere,

00:12:43 ◼   ► stjude.org/atp.

00:12:45 ◼   ► - Don't forget about the company match.

00:12:46 ◼   ► We always forget about this. - Oh, I almost did it again!

00:12:48 ◼   ► I almost did it again, I almost forgot, I'm sorry.

00:12:49 ◼   ► - So a lot of people, if you have a jobby job,

00:12:52 ◼   ► a lot of companies will match whatever you donate,

00:12:54 ◼   ► sometimes up to a limit, sometimes whatever you do.

00:12:56 ◼   ► So if you donate 10 bucks, they'll donate 10 bucks, right?

00:12:58 ◼   ► up to whatever amount, then again,

00:13:00 ◼   ► it might be unlimited to your company.

00:13:01 ◼   ► So find out if your company does that

00:13:04 ◼   ► and let them know that you donated.

00:13:06 ◼   ► So it basically doubles your donation for free.

00:13:08 ◼   ► Get your company to donate.

00:13:09 ◼   ► And if you do do a company match,

00:13:11 ◼   ► you can go to the URL, stjude.org/atp.

00:13:15 ◼   ► There's a thing on that webpage that lets you report

00:13:18 ◼   ► what your company donated so that it goes

00:13:20 ◼   ► towards the relay total to get them over the line.

00:13:22 ◼   ► The more important thing is that the company

00:13:24 ◼   ► actually sends the money and matches your donation.

00:13:26 ◼   ► That's the important thing.

00:13:27 ◼   ► Secondarily, if you want to make sure that your company

00:13:30 ◼   ► goes towards the total, you can do that as well.

00:13:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, and if for some reason it isn't on the /ATP page,

00:13:35 ◼   ► which I think it is, but just in case,

00:13:38 ◼   ► if you go to stjoe.org/relay,

00:13:40 ◼   ► then I am 100% sure it's there.

00:13:42 ◼   ► - Same page.

00:13:43 ◼   ► - No, they're two different pages.

00:13:46 ◼   ► We skip past the whole sub-fund register thing.

00:13:49 ◼   ► - Oh, that's right, okay.

00:13:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, so anyway, suffice it to say,

00:13:53 ◼   ► please join us in helping Relay

00:13:55 ◼   ► to help end childhood cancer, please and thank you.

00:13:58 ◼   ► This will continue throughout the month of September.

00:14:00 ◼   ► Please go ahead and check.

00:14:01 ◼   ► Oh, and by the way, I almost forgot,

00:14:03 ◼   ► this coming Friday, so probably within a day or two,

00:14:07 ◼   ► probably one of you listening to this very program,

00:14:09 ◼   ► on the 16th of September from noon, one true time zone

00:14:13 ◼   ► until 8 p.m. one true time zone

00:14:15 ◼   ► will be the Relay Podcast-a-thon

00:14:17 ◼   ► where Mike and Steven will, God willing, be together.

00:14:21 ◼   ► And they will be, for the first time in a few years,

00:14:22 ◼   ► hosting the Podcast-a-thon at,

00:14:24 ◼   ► Well, both of them, that is, at St. Jude.

00:14:27 ◼   ► I will be making an appearance. It would not surprise me.

00:14:29 ◼   ► I genuinely don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me

00:14:30 ◼   ► if my co-hosts make an appearance.

00:14:31 ◼   ► Maybe, maybe not. It'll be a surprise for everyone.

00:14:34 ◼   ► But check that out. It's a lot of fun.

00:14:35 ◼   ► It's eight hours, so dip in and out.

00:14:37 ◼   ► And, you know, stay in as much as you can,

00:14:38 ◼   ► but you can dip in and out. It's super-duper fun.

00:14:41 ◼   ► And that'll be this Friday on Twitch.

00:14:43 ◼   ► I think it's twitch.tv/relay.

00:14:45 ◼   ► I hope. I'm not 100% sure about that,

00:14:47 ◼   ► but you can just search. You'll find it.

00:14:48 ◼   ► So stjude.org/atp. Donate now.

00:14:51 ◼   ► A little bit more housekeeping.

00:14:53 ◼   ► Today, right now, this episode is the 500th episode of ATP.

00:14:58 ◼   ► How did that happen?

00:15:03 ◼   ► How is that possible?

00:15:04 ◼   ► - Very slowly over time.

00:15:06 ◼   ► - Right, like I understand mathematics

00:15:07 ◼   ► 'cause it was like, what was it, April

00:15:09 ◼   ► or something like that of 2013?

00:15:10 ◼   ► So it's about 10 years and about 52 episodes a year.

00:15:15 ◼   ► So I mean, it makes sense.

00:15:17 ◼   ► But your intrepid hosts with a couple of asterisks

00:15:21 ◼   ► have recorded 500 episodes of ATP,

00:15:25 ◼   ► and we have not missed a week

00:15:27 ◼   ► since something like April of 2013 or thereabouts.

00:15:30 ◼   ► And I'm pretty proud of us,

00:15:33 ◼   ► and I'm extremely thankful for anyone

00:15:35 ◼   ► who has listened to any episode much,

00:15:37 ◼   ► and I can't imagine people who have listened to all 500.

00:15:40 ◼   ► There's a really great website

00:15:42 ◼   ► that a listener put together, catatp.fm,

00:15:45 ◼   ► I think that's right, catatp.fm.

00:15:47 ◼   ► And on there, there's some really fun statistics.

00:15:50 ◼   ► I'm not gonna read all these off,

00:15:52 ◼   ► but the great and top statistic is total length

00:15:56 ◼   ► of all episodes, 988 hours, 45 minutes, 14.1 seconds,

00:16:00 ◼   ► which is just bananas.

00:16:02 ◼   ► I am genuinely, as much as I'm laughing and joking,

00:16:06 ◼   ► I'm extremely proud of what the three of us have done.

00:16:09 ◼   ► I am thankful to every single listener

00:16:11 ◼   ► that's listened to even but a moment of those 988 hours.

00:16:16 ◼   ► I mean, if you think about it, when we started,

00:16:19 ◼   ► I had a regular jobby job.

00:16:22 ◼   ► In fact, it was like one or two jobby jobs

00:16:24 ◼   ► before my last jobby job.

00:16:26 ◼   ► John was about halfway maybe

00:16:28 ◼   ► through his most recent jobby job.

00:16:31 ◼   ► Marco, well you've been a disaster

00:16:33 ◼   ► ever since we got together,

00:16:34 ◼   ► so that's no surprise there.

00:16:35 ◼   ► But I had no children, and now I have two and a dog.

00:16:40 ◼   ► I mean, it has been quite a run for all three of us.

00:16:44 ◼   ► And God willing, as I knock furiously on wood,

00:16:48 ◼   ► God willing, we have another 500 in us.

00:16:49 ◼   ► But one way or another, I am genuinely so thankful

00:16:52 ◼   ► to every listener who has listened,

00:16:53 ◼   ► who has at least looked at a sponsor's website,

00:16:57 ◼   ► and who has told their friends about us,

00:17:00 ◼   ► who has rated us five stars on Apple Podcasts,

00:17:04 ◼   ► whatever thing, any of you who have done anything

00:17:07 ◼   ► to help us, it genuinely, from the bottom of my heart,

00:17:09 ◼   ► means so much to us.

00:17:10 ◼   ► And I would like to tell,

00:17:13 ◼   ► I would like to talk about the surprise

00:17:14 ◼   ► unless you two have anything you wanna add.

00:17:15 ◼   ► - No, I wanna add just, you know,

00:17:17 ◼   ► how awesome everyone is.

00:17:18 ◼   ► And the thing is, this show, I mean, look, we love doing it.

00:17:22 ◼   ► And the reality is, even if our listenership

00:17:26 ◼   ► went down to nothing, we would probably still keep doing it

00:17:28 ◼   ► because you can't stop the three of us

00:17:30 ◼   ► from talking to each other about computers and other BS.

00:17:33 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:17:34 ◼   ► That just happens when you put us together.

00:17:36 ◼   ► 'Cause that's how the show got made,

00:17:38 ◼   ► and that's how it keeps, and we said in the past,

00:17:42 ◼   ► Making the show for us is, while it is work,

00:17:47 ◼   ► it is very easy in the sense that we all get along

00:17:50 ◼   ► really well, we love talking about this crap.

00:17:52 ◼   ► As I said, we'll do it no matter what.

00:17:54 ◼   ► And everything just, it's an easy show to keep going.

00:17:58 ◼   ► We have no inter-host friction or drama.

00:18:02 ◼   ► We have good money coming in,

00:18:04 ◼   ► which we'll get to in a second.

00:18:06 ◼   ► And we have good logistics.

00:18:08 ◼   ► We're all in the same time zone,

00:18:09 ◼   ► our internet connections are all rock solid.

00:18:11 ◼   ► We all show up on time, all that stuff

00:18:14 ◼   ► that can make things hard to make.

00:18:16 ◼   ► We don't have those challenges, we're very lucky.

00:18:18 ◼   ► We have a news-based show, and so we're not

00:18:21 ◼   ► a subject matter really, and you also all

00:18:24 ◼   ► are a little flexible on what you will tolerate

00:18:26 ◼   ► us talking about, which also helps a lot.

00:18:28 ◼   ► So it's a show that we really do enjoy making

00:18:33 ◼   ► and that I think has a pretty solid future

00:18:36 ◼   ► ahead of it in addition to the pretty damn solid past.

00:18:38 ◼   ► And on the money thing, I think what,

00:18:41 ◼   ► we are very fortunate that we have the audience

00:18:44 ◼   ► that we have in all of you out there,

00:18:46 ◼   ► because we have a very loyal audience.

00:18:50 ◼   ► If you look at our raw numbers,

00:18:53 ◼   ► our audience does not really grow over time.

00:18:56 ◼   ► We grew for a while, and then we kind of found our audience,

00:18:59 ◼   ► and we stayed there.

00:19:01 ◼   ► And for most kinds of businesses or startups

00:19:05 ◼   ► or anything on the web, content stuff mostly,

00:19:08 ◼   ► Once you stop growing the audience, that's like death,

00:19:11 ◼   ► because there's usually a whole bunch of churn

00:19:14 ◼   ► of people who drop off the show

00:19:17 ◼   ► because they aren't interested anymore,

00:19:20 ◼   ► or it wasn't holding their attention,

00:19:21 ◼   ► or they stop listening to things entirely, whatever.

00:19:25 ◼   ► And for our show, that doesn't happen.

00:19:28 ◼   ► We have a very loyal audience.

00:19:30 ◼   ► It's a great place to be for people

00:19:33 ◼   ► who create any kind of content for a living like we do,

00:19:37 ◼   ► because we don't need to play the games

00:19:41 ◼   ► or have the same level of stresses that a lot of people do.

00:19:44 ◼   ► We can keep showing up and doing what we do,

00:19:47 ◼   ► and again, because it's mostly news-based,

00:19:51 ◼   ► we have an infinite supply of that.

00:19:52 ◼   ► News will keep happening in the tech business,

00:19:55 ◼   ► especially in the Apple sphere that we usually cover.

00:19:57 ◼   ► So that part's good, and as long as you all

00:20:00 ◼   ► keep showing up and listening,

00:20:02 ◼   ► we can largely ignore most of the crap

00:20:05 ◼   ► that other podcasters and other content creators

00:20:08 ◼   ► on other media are pressured to get into.

00:20:10 ◼   ► So we don't have to do weird growth hacking stuff.

00:20:13 ◼   ► We don't have to do that crappy dynamic ad insertion

00:20:17 ◼   ► of local car dealer ads.

00:20:20 ◼   ► We don't have to do any of that

00:20:21 ◼   ► because we have such a great loyal audience.

00:20:24 ◼   ► And so I really appreciate all of you a ton for that.

00:20:29 ◼   ► And the fact is that we've made 500 episodes

00:20:32 ◼   ► of the nerdiest stuff imaginable

00:20:35 ◼   ► And many of you out there have actually listened

00:20:39 ◼   ► to all of it.

00:20:40 ◼   ► Like, who else can say that?

00:20:42 ◼   ► There's not a lot of other shows out there

00:20:45 ◼   ► that can say that they've produced 500 multi-hour podcasts

00:20:50 ◼   ► over the span of a decade,

00:20:53 ◼   ► and many people in their audience have listened to all of it.

00:20:57 ◼   ► That's an incredible thing.

00:20:59 ◼   ► We are extremely lucky to have you out there

00:21:01 ◼   ► listening to us.

00:21:02 ◼   ► And so, thank you very much for that.

00:21:05 ◼   ► I want to give a special thanks to the listeners who write into us.

00:21:11 ◼   ► That is, I always feel like, kind of an unsung, you know, attribute of our show.

00:21:17 ◼   ► Yes, it's news based and we talk about news topics and we talk about whatever weird things

00:21:20 ◼   ► we're into or whatever we're buying and we talk about our lives to some degree.

00:21:24 ◼   ► But a lot of the best info on this show comes from our listeners because they email us,

00:21:29 ◼   ► tweet at us, whatever, and we have enough listeners and those listeners are nerdy enough

00:21:34 ◼   ► that if we talk about a topic, you know,

00:21:36 ◼   ► I'm gonna make something up.

00:21:37 ◼   ► It's like, we'll talk about mushrooms and be like,

00:21:38 ◼   ► we'll get an email right after the show is published.

00:21:41 ◼   ► I've been growing mushrooms for 50 years.

00:21:43 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:21:43 ◼   ► And it's like, what?

00:21:44 ◼   ► You've been growing mushrooms for 50 years?

00:21:46 ◼   ► You're a mushroomologist?

00:21:47 ◼   ► You went to, you are the head of the mushroom department

00:21:49 ◼   ► at some big university?

00:21:50 ◼   ► Like--

00:21:51 ◼   ► - Does one grow mushrooms or raise them or clone them?

00:21:54 ◼   ► What is the verb for producing mushrooms?

00:21:57 ◼   ► - I mean, we just had it recently

00:21:58 ◼   ► where they were talking about audio sync or whatever.

00:22:00 ◼   ► It's like, oh, I do this for a living.

00:22:01 ◼   ► You sync audio for a living?

00:22:03 ◼   ► It's like, yeah, that's a job.

00:22:04 ◼   ► - Yes, I do.

00:22:04 ◼   ► - Right, no, it's just, it's amazing.

00:22:06 ◼   ► Or someone's like, yeah, I did this for a living

00:22:09 ◼   ► back when I worked and now I'm retired.

00:22:11 ◼   ► And let me tell you how it was in the old days.

00:22:12 ◼   ► Just so many listeners with amazing knowledge.

00:22:15 ◼   ► And presumably they're just sitting there

00:22:16 ◼   ► listening to episodes for years for that one day

00:22:18 ◼   ► when we talk about audio and video sync.

00:22:21 ◼   ► And they're like, now's my time to shine.

00:22:23 ◼   ► And it's awesome and we love it.

00:22:24 ◼   ► Like they contribute so much, not just to Ask ATP

00:22:27 ◼   ► because we get tons of Ask ATP questions.

00:22:28 ◼   ► And I wanna apologize for that.

00:22:30 ◼   ► Like we do Ask ATP every show.

00:22:31 ◼   ► we try to do three questions a show if we can,

00:22:33 ◼   ► sometimes we have to skip it due to time constraints,

00:22:35 ◼   ► we get hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of questions

00:22:39 ◼   ► to ask ATP, and that's awesome,

00:22:41 ◼   ► but realize we can't actually answer them all.

00:22:42 ◼   ► But same thing with feedback or whatever,

00:22:45 ◼   ► this is just, our audience has so much knowledge,

00:22:48 ◼   ► and they're so specific, such specific knowledge

00:22:51 ◼   ► that I love that they will be able to

00:22:54 ◼   ► contribute to the show, right?

00:22:55 ◼   ► I used to get that when I wrote my long-form Mac OS X reviews

00:22:59 ◼   ► but by the time you publish the review,

00:23:00 ◼   ► it's too late for that info, but on this show,

00:23:02 ◼   ► there's always another episode and there's always follow-ups.

00:23:04 ◼   ► So I wanted to thank all the listeners for contributing.

00:23:08 ◼   ► And if you're out there and you have never written

00:23:10 ◼   ► to the show and you're like an expert

00:23:12 ◼   ► on like raising lizards or something,

00:23:14 ◼   ► just keep listening, who knows?

00:23:15 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:23:16 ◼   ► - We'll get there, we'll get there.

00:23:17 ◼   ► - We'll be talking about the Iguana flag Easter egg

00:23:19 ◼   ► on the PowerPC Mac and it'll be your time to hop in

00:23:22 ◼   ► and say, actually, it's not an Iguana

00:23:23 ◼   ► and you'll tell us all about it.

00:23:24 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:23:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's the thing too.

00:23:26 ◼   ► So we, I mean, I can assume from the two of you

00:23:31 ◼   ► that you probably had a similar time coming up in the world

00:23:36 ◼   ► as I did in the sense that we were all pretty far nerdier

00:23:41 ◼   ► than most of the people around us in our lives.

00:23:46 ◼   ► 'Cause we all grew up in the early to none days

00:23:49 ◼   ► of the internet and so the internet has made it very easy

00:23:53 ◼   ► people to find other people like them for good and bad. That wasn't so much the case

00:23:58 ◼   ► when we were coming up. And so, you know, it was always like we were, we were the nerds.

00:24:05 ◼   ► And you know, that at the time that felt, it for me at least felt quite lonely a lot

00:24:09 ◼   ► of the times. And still in most of life, I am the nerd in the room. But this show brings

00:24:16 ◼   ► together all of the nerds in the rooms everywhere. Like all of you out there, there's a pretty

00:24:23 ◼   ► good chance. You were that nerd in the room and now you found others. And you can listen

00:24:29 ◼   ► to 500 episodes of us talking to and with and about other people like us. And it's a

00:24:36 ◼   ► very nice thing to find. In the same way I found my fish people when I went to the fish

00:24:39 ◼   ► concert and that's another thing that I never have any support for in the world. This is

00:24:43 ◼   ► the kind of thing like…

00:24:44 ◼   ► Jared: Nor here for them.

00:24:45 ◼   ► Michael: Nor here, yeah. But this is the kind of thing like, we found our people and it's

00:24:50 ◼   ► one of the great things that the internet makes possible.

00:24:52 ◼   ► And we're so lucky to have all of you out there,

00:24:56 ◼   ► because we can all be the nerd in the room together.

00:25:01 ◼   ► - I just wanna make one more pitch for my spiel

00:25:03 ◼   ► that I did on episode 400.

00:25:06 ◼   ► We usually don't do much for milestones,

00:25:07 ◼   ► but 500 is pretty big, and 400, I did a little thing.

00:25:11 ◼   ► It's in the after show.

00:25:12 ◼   ► If this is your first episode of ATP, I guess,

00:25:14 ◼   ► every 500 episodes, I should describe how the show works.

00:25:16 ◼   ► If this is your first episode of ATP,

00:25:18 ◼   ► At a certain point you'll hear someone sing a song that, well it's gonna be a different

00:25:22 ◼   ► song this week, but the normal song says the show is over.

00:25:26 ◼   ► It's not really over.

00:25:28 ◼   ► The show keeps going after the song for varying amounts of times.

00:25:32 ◼   ► That's kind of the after show.

00:25:34 ◼   ► In the after show of episode 400 I attempt to describe what I think people get out of

00:25:40 ◼   ► ATP and why we're doing it and what I think is good about it.

00:25:43 ◼   ► And I probably will literally never do that little speech again, so if you want to hear

00:25:46 ◼   ► I'm not going to do it today, but episode 400 is right out there.

00:25:49 ◼   ► ATP.fm/400 because we have good URLs.

00:25:52 ◼   ► All right. So surprise time.

00:25:54 ◼   ► So as a thank you to members of ATP and you can subscribe at ATP.fm/join.

00:26:01 ◼   ► You can go a year at a time or a month at a time.

00:26:04 ◼   ► And as a thank you to our members who, and we are incredibly thankful to everyone,

00:26:10 ◼   ► but kind of maybe especially the members.

00:26:12 ◼   ► As a thank you to the members we are doing for the first time,

00:26:15 ◼   ► exclusive content just for the members.

00:26:17 ◼   ► And we wanted to do something that is additive,

00:26:22 ◼   ► like we don't want to take away anything

00:26:23 ◼   ► that you're already getting.

00:26:25 ◼   ► And we wanted to do something that wasn't necessarily

00:26:27 ◼   ► our core competency, because again,

00:26:30 ◼   ► then it seems like maybe that's a little bit gross,

00:26:34 ◼   ► or at least that's the way we thought of it today.

00:26:35 ◼   ► You asked me again in 10 years at episode 1000,

00:26:38 ◼   ► where you're paying per segment or something

00:26:40 ◼   ► to listen to the show.

00:26:42 ◼   ► But sitting here now, we wanted to do something additive

00:26:44 ◼   ► that was a little bit out of our wheelhouse. And what we concluded was we are going to do a

00:26:50 ◼   ► three episode run, one episode per week, of ATP Movie Club. So the way this works is we watched,

00:26:57 ◼   ► the three of us watched three different movies. Each host had a chance to pick one of the movies.

00:27:03 ◼   ► So this week we are going to release the first episode of the three episode mini-series, that is

00:27:09 ◼   ► is the ATP Movie Club, and it is going to be all three

00:27:12 ◼   ► of us discussing the movie that Marco picked.

00:27:15 ◼   ► And Marco, would you like to describe what you did?

00:27:17 ◼   ► - Since I learned that Casey had not yet seen it,

00:27:21 ◼   ► the movie I chose to force him to watch

00:27:23 ◼   ► was My Cousin Vinny.

00:27:25 ◼   ► I love this movie, and you will hear why,

00:27:29 ◼   ► and it is, I think it's wonderful

00:27:34 ◼   ► to have put Casey and Jon through this.

00:27:36 ◼   ► Well, we'll let you hear what the two of us thought of it,

00:27:41 ◼   ► 'cause, you know, again, all three of us watched all three movies.

00:27:43 ◼   ► And we're not gonna tell you what the other movies are.

00:27:45 ◼   ► I think we're gonna leave those as a surprise for when the episodes drop in the members-only feeds.

00:27:50 ◼   ► But we are starting with My Cousin Vinny.

00:27:53 ◼   ► I will say that the next pick was mine and the final pick was Jon's,

00:27:57 ◼   ► and that's all I'm going to say about that.

00:27:58 ◼   ► But this was a lot of fun for the three of us to do.

00:28:02 ◼   ► We're still doing the show after all three episodes, so I guess that's a good sign.

00:28:06 ◼   ► I think it was a little hit or miss for a couple of moments there, but for the most part, it was a lot of fun.

00:28:11 ◼   ► So that is as a thank you to members.

00:28:13 ◼   ► And you can go to ATP.FM/join to get these three episodes over the next three weeks.

00:28:19 ◼   ► As I sit here now, we, we want to do more exclusive content eventually, but we have no plans at this moment.

00:28:29 ◼   ► So this might not happen again till episode 1000.

00:28:31 ◼   ► It might not happen for a hundred episodes.

00:28:33 ◼   ► We honestly don't know.

00:28:34 ◼   ► But as a thank you to members, we wanted to do that

00:28:36 ◼   ► as a, in recognition of episode 500.

00:28:38 ◼   ► So that's what we've done.

00:28:41 ◼   ► And again, My Cousin Vinny as selected by Marco

00:28:43 ◼   ► will be the first episode that will drop

00:28:45 ◼   ► at some point this week.

00:28:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, and you know, speaking of feedback,

00:28:50 ◼   ► as part of what we do in the future,

00:28:51 ◼   ► it depends on how members feel about this.

00:28:53 ◼   ► Do you like it?

00:28:54 ◼   ► Was it fun?

00:28:55 ◼   ► Was it boring?

00:28:56 ◼   ► Do you not care about movies?

00:28:57 ◼   ► Let us know what you think

00:28:58 ◼   ► after all the episodes have aired.

00:28:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, and for each one, by the way,

00:29:01 ◼   ► like when you look at the title in the feed,

00:29:03 ◼   ► like watch the movie before you listen to it because there obviously will be spoilers

00:29:07 ◼   ► about the movies. So when you see the movie title in there, watch the movie before you

00:29:11 ◼   ► listen to it.

00:29:12 ◼   ► Yep, yep, yeah. We don't have any spoiler horn or anything like that. It's basically

00:29:15 ◼   ► spoiler city from the second that we start the episode. So be warned. All right. Now

00:29:21 ◼   ► we have to get on to the regularly scheduled programming. Thank you for letting us navel

00:29:26 ◼   ► gaze for just a moment.

00:29:27 ◼   ► Oh yeah, it's a tech podcast.

00:29:28 ◼   ► I have been riveted to figure out what's going on with your polarizer and lens protector John.

00:29:34 ◼   ► Oh no.

00:29:35 ◼   ► It's back baby, it's back.

00:29:37 ◼   ► We didn't get to do this.

00:29:38 ◼   ► So when John talked about polarizers in the episode before the Apple event episode, we

00:29:44 ◼   ► got so much feedback because half of what he said was wrong and then we couldn't cover

00:29:48 ◼   ► it in last week because it was the event episode and we didn't have time.

00:29:52 ◼   ► So we just kept getting more and more feedback.

00:29:55 ◼   ► Yep.

00:29:56 ◼   ► all the same stuff, yeah, everything you said was wrong.

00:29:59 ◼   ► - Not everything I said was wrong.

00:30:00 ◼   ► So here was the misunderstanding that I had.

00:30:02 ◼   ► Here was my, the main thing I was mistaken about,

00:30:05 ◼   ► which many, many people pointed out, of course.

00:30:07 ◼   ► I was talking about my polarizer

00:30:09 ◼   ► that I stick on the front of my interchangeable lens camera

00:30:11 ◼   ► and it's like a little thing that goes over the lens

00:30:13 ◼   ► and you can twist it.

00:30:14 ◼   ► And I was surprised that there was no markings on it

00:30:16 ◼   ► telling me like how it should be aligned or anything.

00:30:19 ◼   ► 'Cause my, what I had in my head was that you would twist it

00:30:23 ◼   ► and there was a position where it was sort of like

00:30:25 ◼   ► at maximum effect and there was another position

00:30:27 ◼   ► where it was not doing anything.

00:30:29 ◼   ► And that's not true at all because what I had in my mind

00:30:32 ◼   ► was a two element system where if anyone has ever taken

00:30:35 ◼   ► two pairs of polarized sunglasses or two polarized pieces

00:30:37 ◼   ► of like, you know, material in like a, you know,

00:30:40 ◼   ► school laboratory or whatever, if you put them together

00:30:43 ◼   ► and you twist them, when they're at 90 degrees

00:30:45 ◼   ► to each other, like across, they'll be totally black.

00:30:48 ◼   ► And then when you twist them 90 degrees back the other way,

00:30:51 ◼   ► they're as transparent as they're gonna get.

00:30:53 ◼   ► but that's not how polarizers, a circular polarizer

00:30:56 ◼   ► that I bought and put on my camera works.

00:30:58 ◼   ► It only has one element, it's just a single polarizing thing

00:31:02 ◼   ► and so it's not twisting against any other polarized thing

00:31:05 ◼   ► so there is no position in which it is totally black

00:31:09 ◼   ► for instance or position in which it is, you know,

00:31:11 ◼   ► totally transparent or whatever.

00:31:13 ◼   ► Instead, it is just a polarizing filter

00:31:16 ◼   ► and it is going to let through light,

00:31:17 ◼   ► the waves are wiggling in one particular direction

00:31:20 ◼   ► or whatever, and the way you're supposed to use it is,

00:31:24 ◼   ► you, I mean, there's a whole bunch of people said,

00:31:26 ◼   ► oh, you can look at where the sun is, you can do this,

00:31:27 ◼   ► you can do that, but the bottom line is,

00:31:29 ◼   ► what light do you not want to get through,

00:31:30 ◼   ► and what light do you want to get through?

00:31:32 ◼   ► Twist, the simple answer is, twist the lens

00:31:35 ◼   ► until the picture looks the way you want it to look.

00:31:37 ◼   ► And that really is it, because it depends on what light

00:31:40 ◼   ► you're trying to cancel out.

00:31:41 ◼   ► Is it a reflection off a flat pool of water?

00:31:44 ◼   ► Is it a reflection off a curved car bumper?

00:31:46 ◼   ► Like, what are you trying to see or not see?

00:31:49 ◼   ► So that explains why there are no markings on it

00:31:51 ◼   ► because it is entirely up to you how you want to twist it

00:31:54 ◼   ► and how you want it to work.

00:31:56 ◼   ► And actually there is a filter that works the way

00:31:59 ◼   ► I was describing.

00:32:00 ◼   ► It's called a variable neutral density filter,

00:32:02 ◼   ► which actually is, you know,

00:32:04 ◼   ► we talked about neutral density filters two weeks ago.

00:32:06 ◼   ► It's like a way to block light

00:32:07 ◼   ► from getting into your camera

00:32:08 ◼   ► so you can have a bigger aperture

00:32:09 ◼   ► without blowing out the frames in your video or whatever.

00:32:12 ◼   ► A variable neutral density filter

00:32:13 ◼   ► is so you don't have to keep swapping filters.

00:32:15 ◼   ► It's one filter with two elements

00:32:16 ◼   ► that twist relative to each other,

00:32:18 ◼   ► to polarize elements, which was relatively

00:32:20 ◼   ► to become darker or lighter.

00:32:22 ◼   ► But anyway, I just have a brain polarizer filter.

00:32:24 ◼   ► But that's not the exciting part about this feedback.

00:32:26 ◼   ► So yes, thank you to everyone who sent me that feedback.

00:32:29 ◼   ► I'll put some links in the show notes of like explanations

00:32:31 ◼   ► of this that are more long-winded and more detailed.

00:32:35 ◼   ► But one person, Stepan Doelenzahl, sent me a link

00:32:38 ◼   ► to a MinutePhysics video about polarizers.

00:32:40 ◼   ► And I was like, oh yeah, well, a million people sent stuff.

00:32:42 ◼   ► I know MinutePhysics, maybe I haven't seen this one.

00:32:44 ◼   ► So I started watching it again,

00:32:45 ◼   ► and it goes through polarization.

00:32:46 ◼   ► It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, great.

00:32:47 ◼   ► It's got some cool diagrams.

00:32:48 ◼   ► But then it gets into a super cool thing

00:32:51 ◼   ► that kind of reminds me of, I mean,

00:32:54 ◼   ► it kind of reminds me of the feeling I got,

00:32:56 ◼   ► a feeling I used to get when I would tell,

00:32:58 ◼   ► this is gonna sound nerdy, you tell people about--

00:33:01 ◼   ► - No.

00:33:02 ◼   ► - The feeling you get when you tell people

00:33:03 ◼   ► about special relativity, it's kind of like--

00:33:06 ◼   ► - Have you done this a lot?

00:33:08 ◼   ► - Yeah, this is something that you just do from time to time?

00:33:10 ◼   ► - When I was a kid, I used to do it, right?

00:33:11 ◼   ► So here's the thing.

00:33:12 ◼   ► - This is the least surprising thing you've ever said.

00:33:15 ◼   ► - I'll put a link in the show notes about this.

00:33:17 ◼   ► This polarizer thing, if you haven't ever seen this before,

00:33:20 ◼   ► it will give you a similar feeling,

00:33:22 ◼   ► learning about special relativity.

00:33:23 ◼   ► It's like special relativity, you can explain it to people,

00:33:27 ◼   ► or when you first learn it, in my case,

00:33:29 ◼   ► when you're a kid or whatever, the ideas behind it,

00:33:31 ◼   ► like, wait a second, everybody in the world has known,

00:33:35 ◼   ► it's not everybody, obviously,

00:33:36 ◼   ► but everyone in the world has known that this is true

00:33:39 ◼   ► and no one has told me,

00:33:41 ◼   ► and they've known it since the early 1900s.

00:33:45 ◼   ► Everyone has known that the speed of light is a constant

00:33:47 ◼   ► in any inertial frame of reference,

00:33:49 ◼   ► and all the consequences that come from that,

00:33:51 ◼   ► and no one just says anything about it.

00:33:53 ◼   ► You tell someone about it when they're an adult,

00:33:55 ◼   ► and the consequences of it, and you're like,

00:33:56 ◼   ► "Yeah, things shrink in their direction of motion."

00:33:58 ◼   ► You're like, "What do you mean things shrink?"

00:34:00 ◼   ► Like, well, see, the speed of light is a constant,

00:34:02 ◼   ► everything else, including time and space,

00:34:04 ◼   ► adjusts to accommodate that.

00:34:05 ◼   ► Like, no, that's not how anything works.

00:34:07 ◼   ► Like, no, yeah, that's how things work.

00:34:08 ◼   ► It's like, no, that's not, yeah.

00:34:10 ◼   ► It's like the nature of reality.

00:34:11 ◼   ► So many people don't, things that,

00:34:13 ◼   ► fundamental things that people don't know

00:34:14 ◼   ► about the nature of reality,

00:34:15 ◼   ► mostly 'cause it's not relevant to your daily life,

00:34:18 ◼   ► when things are not moving past each other

00:34:19 ◼   ► at anything approaching the speed of light,

00:34:21 ◼   ► so it's not relevant.

00:34:22 ◼   ► But when you learn that about your reality,

00:34:25 ◼   ► you're like, it blows your mind, and then you learn,

00:34:27 ◼   ► yeah, and scientists have known this

00:34:29 ◼   ► for like 100-something years.

00:34:31 ◼   ► And you're like, what?

00:34:32 ◼   ► And no one told me?

00:34:33 ◼   ► So here, the polarizer one has something like that.

00:34:36 ◼   ► So here's the fun polarizer thing.

00:34:38 ◼   ► It's in the video, so I'll put a link in the show notes

00:34:40 ◼   ► if you wanna watch this YouTube video.

00:34:41 ◼   ► It explains it probably better than I'm going to right now.

00:34:43 ◼   ► But remember what I said about the polarizing filters

00:34:45 ◼   ► and like you, you know, you twist it and it like,

00:34:47 ◼   ► they only let through light that is going

00:34:49 ◼   ► in a particular direction and they don't let through light

00:34:51 ◼   ► that's going in other directions, right?

00:34:53 ◼   ► So if you take two polarizing filters and you put,

00:34:56 ◼   ► you know, one filter on one end of a tube

00:34:57 ◼   ► and one filter on the other end of the tube, right?

00:34:59 ◼   ► And you shine light in one end, right?

00:35:00 ◼   ► If you twist those two lenses relative to each other,

00:35:03 ◼   ► you can adjust how much light is going through

00:35:05 ◼   ► because the first filter will filter out some light

00:35:06 ◼   ► and then you twist the other one.

00:35:07 ◼   ► If you twist them in 90 degrees,

00:35:08 ◼   ► it in theory blocks all of the light, right?

00:35:11 ◼   ► and if you, you know, 90 degrees relative to each other.

00:35:13 ◼   ► And as you align them to be facing the same direction,

00:35:16 ◼   ► they let through as much light as possible, right?

00:35:18 ◼   ► So you get these two filters,

00:35:20 ◼   ► one on one and one on the other, and you twist them.

00:35:22 ◼   ► So they're knocking out some amount of light, right?

00:35:24 ◼   ► And you're like, okay, I put in this amount of light,

00:35:26 ◼   ► and then I see the amount of light

00:35:28 ◼   ► that comes out the other end is like half.

00:35:29 ◼   ► So the amount that I've twisted them,

00:35:31 ◼   ► I'm knocking out half the light.

00:35:32 ◼   ► The exciting thing about polarizing filters is

00:35:35 ◼   ► if you take that arrangement,

00:35:36 ◼   ► two filters, one on each end of a tube,

00:35:38 ◼   ► light goes in, half the light comes out.

00:35:40 ◼   ► If you put a third filter in the middle of the tube,

00:35:43 ◼   ► more light can come out the end than before.

00:35:48 ◼   ► - What?

00:35:49 ◼   ► - So you got two filters, light goes in,

00:35:52 ◼   ► half the light comes out.

00:35:53 ◼   ► It's like, I know what I'll do.

00:35:54 ◼   ► I'll put a third filter in the middle and I'll twist it.

00:35:56 ◼   ► And now more light comes out the end.

00:35:58 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:36:00 ◼   ► - What?

00:36:01 ◼   ► - And this is one of those things that's like,

00:36:02 ◼   ► okay, you think you know how reality works,

00:36:05 ◼   ► but it's like learning about special relativity.

00:36:07 ◼   ► It's like, wait, that doesn't make any sense.

00:36:08 ◼   ► And you start bargaining with yourself about,

00:36:10 ◼   ► Okay, well maybe like the first filter changes the light

00:36:13 ◼   ► so that the second filter like changes it back

00:36:16 ◼   ► so more of it goes through the second one.

00:36:17 ◼   ► Watch the video.

00:36:18 ◼   ► It will probably hurt your brain a little bit,

00:36:20 ◼   ► probably a little bit more than special relativity does

00:36:21 ◼   ► 'cause that's the type of thing

00:36:22 ◼   ► you can explain pretty easily.

00:36:24 ◼   ► This gets into quantum mechanics and stuff.

00:36:26 ◼   ► But the bottom line is the universe does not work

00:36:28 ◼   ► the way you think it works in many really important ways.

00:36:31 ◼   ► And something as simple as a pair of polarizing sunglasses

00:36:34 ◼   ► can show you this and then lead you to do all the experiments

00:36:38 ◼   ► that again scientists did like, you know, 100 years ago,

00:36:41 ◼   ► to learn something about reality that scientists know

00:36:43 ◼   ► but regular people don't, that is very, very disturbing

00:36:46 ◼   ► and will really make you question the nature

00:36:49 ◼   ► of your reality as they say on Westworld.

00:36:51 ◼   ► - I feel better for having had my reality rocked

00:36:57 ◼   ► here on the 500th episode of ATP.

00:36:59 ◼   ► - See, other people just take drugs.

00:37:00 ◼   ► We have this stuff.

00:37:01 ◼   ► - We have physics.

00:37:03 ◼   ► - Next time you go to a fish concert,

00:37:04 ◼   ► bring a tube and three polarizing filters with you.

00:37:07 ◼   ► And be like, okay, light goes in the end, light goes in.

00:37:10 ◼   ► Now I'm gonna put in the third filter.

00:37:11 ◼   ► What do you think's gonna happen?

00:37:12 ◼   ► Everybody's like, it's gonna block more light, dude.

00:37:14 ◼   ► It's like, really?

00:37:15 ◼   ► Ah, more light is coming out.

00:37:16 ◼   ► - Watch this, baby.

00:37:18 ◼   ► - Whoa, how does that work?

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00:39:24 ◼   ► Colin Robertson writes in,

00:39:29 ◼   ► "Regarding the iPhone's main camera focal lengths,

00:39:31 ◼   ► Marco mentioned that he thought most iPhones until the 14 Pro were all equivalent to be about 26 millimeters

00:39:36 ◼   ► I was recently wondering the same thing

00:39:38 ◼   ► So I gathered as much information as I could about every iPhone camera system and I put it all together in a spreadsheet which we

00:39:43 ◼   ► Will link in the show notes. It's an iCloud numbers document. So who knows if it'll work, but we'll see

00:39:48 ◼   ► Colin continues to get to the point

00:39:50 ◼   ► The main camera is going from 37 millimeters on the original iPhone 3GS to excuse me

00:39:55 ◼   ► The original iPhone through 3GS to now 24 millimeters the 4 4s and 5 were all around 30 to 32

00:40:01 ◼   ► My favorite focal length was in the iPhone was the 4s rights Colin

00:40:05 ◼   ► Then to about 28 millimeters on the 5s through the 10 then to 26 millimeters starting with the 10s generation

00:40:11 ◼   ► Also, John assumed that the 2x mode on the 14 Pro camera is quotes still going to be better than any 2x camera that Apple

00:40:18 ◼   ► Has ever shipped unfortunately quote

00:40:20 ◼   ► I didn't believe him because that's a pretty heavy crop doing the math on that the new substantially larger sensor

00:40:26 ◼   ► cropped to the 2x size will take the 9.8 by 7.3 millimeter sensor to 4.9 by

00:40:34 ◼   ► 3.65 millimeters, which is still larger than the 4 by 3 telephoto sensors that have been all the iPhone 2x and 3x cameras. Nice!

00:40:42 ◼   ► Finally, Jon should use a lens hood to protect his lenses rather than a clear UV filter. God help me, here

00:40:47 ◼   ► we are again. They help reduce flare which results in washed out low contrast images and are better at protecting the front element than a

00:40:54 ◼   ► I actually do use a hood on both of my lenses,

00:40:57 ◼   ► and I concur with Colin on this one.

00:40:59 ◼   ► -Yeah, I just wanted to throw that in there

00:41:01 ◼   ► because of the mention of UV and the hood thing.

00:41:03 ◼   ► So, yes, I use hoods on all my camera lenses.

00:41:07 ◼   ► That's not just for safety, although, of course,

00:41:09 ◼   ► it does provide some safety because, you know,

00:41:11 ◼   ► camera goes face down on the ground

00:41:13 ◼   ► that'll hit the hood first and not the lens element.

00:41:15 ◼   ► But it also prevents, you know, glare and everything.

00:41:17 ◼   ► It does what the lens hood is supposed to do.

00:41:19 ◼   ► But if you're at the beach,

00:41:21 ◼   ► one of the things you're trying to protect against

00:41:23 ◼   ► against is water and grit and sand and who knows what else,

00:41:27 ◼   ► jump, being thrown by crashing waves into the lens.

00:41:31 ◼   ► And in that case, the lens hood is only gonna protect it

00:41:33 ◼   ► if it comes from the side,

00:41:34 ◼   ► but if it comes straight out the lens,

00:41:35 ◼   ► that's when you need a clear helmet in the front.

00:41:37 ◼   ► And we mentioned last time that sometimes they call those

00:41:40 ◼   ► clear screw-on things that are not polarizing or anything,

00:41:42 ◼   ► they're just supposed to be a clear piece of material.

00:41:44 ◼   ► Sometimes they call those UV filters

00:41:46 ◼   ► for filtering out ultraviolet light,

00:41:48 ◼   ► which used to be much more important on film cameras

00:41:51 ◼   ► because film is more sensitive to UV light, but apparently on cameras, on modern digital

00:41:55 ◼   ► cameras most digital sensors or parts of the imaging system of digital cameras don't pick

00:42:02 ◼   ► up UV anyway.

00:42:03 ◼   ► There was an article I think we'll link in the show notes that has like graphs of the

00:42:06 ◼   ► various sensors in various cameras showing what wavelengths of light they are sensitive

00:42:10 ◼   ► to at all and a lot of them you see a hard cut off before you start going into UV.

00:42:14 ◼   ► In particular my camera that I'm using, you know, you don't need a UV filter for it.

00:42:19 ◼   ► So they still sell them as UV filters, and they still do filter out UV, but depending

00:42:23 ◼   ► on your camera, especially if it's a modern digital one, it may not be particularly useful

00:42:27 ◼   ► for protecting against UV, but it will protect against very small rocks.

00:42:30 ◼   ► I'm actually very happy to hear the reports of the 2X crop on the iPhone 14 Pro actually

00:42:38 ◼   ► having more sensor area to work with than the previous 2X cameras did, and presumably

00:42:45 ◼   ► the 3X camera as well.

00:42:47 ◼   ► We'll see, the reviews have all been pretty minimally

00:42:51 ◼   ► discussing the 2X, but so far it seems like

00:42:54 ◼   ► they might back this up.

00:42:56 ◼   ► And I don't actually have a 14 per hit, none of us do yet.

00:42:59 ◼   ► It's coming in a couple of days, but for next week's show

00:43:02 ◼   ► I hope to have some kind of impression of this.

00:43:03 ◼   ► Because the 2X camera and the 3X camera have always,

00:43:06 ◼   ► as we talked about in the show,

00:43:07 ◼   ► been so inferior optically to the 1X camera.

00:43:11 ◼   ► And maybe this will help a little bit.

00:43:13 ◼   ► The only thing is that it's not exactly a direct comparison

00:43:16 ◼   ► because you're getting the reduced color resolution,

00:43:21 ◼   ► if that makes sense, because you're taking

00:43:23 ◼   ► those quad-bayer pixels and you're gonna have,

00:43:27 ◼   ► the resulting pixels are gonna have

00:43:29 ◼   ► a different bayer arrangement than they would've

00:43:31 ◼   ► on a sensor dedicated just to that focal length.

00:43:33 ◼   ► You're gonna have the four, the clusters of four

00:43:36 ◼   ► of each color together and you'll be relying

00:43:38 ◼   ► on the raw algorithms to demosaic that color-wise, I guess,

00:43:44 ◼   ► and to interpret what the color should be,

00:43:46 ◼   ► and they're gonna be lower resolution on that input data

00:43:50 ◼   ► because of the clustering of those quad pixels.

00:43:52 ◼   ► So it isn't exactly a direct comparison,

00:43:56 ◼   ► but in practice, the sensors were so crappy

00:43:59 ◼   ► on the 2X and 3X cameras before

00:44:00 ◼   ► that this is probably gonna be an improvement anyway

00:44:03 ◼   ► just 'cause it is getting larger pixels

00:44:06 ◼   ► even though you have that issue of the reduced color detail.

00:44:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's the math that Colin did

00:44:11 ◼   ► because he didn't believe my mostly snarky comment

00:44:14 ◼   ► about it still being better than the 2X.

00:44:15 ◼   ► However, you do the math and the cropped sensor

00:44:18 ◼   ► that they're using for the 2X is still bigger

00:44:20 ◼   ► than any 2X or 3X sensor that Apple has shipped.

00:44:24 ◼   ► - Satellite location sharing.

00:44:27 ◼   ► If you're on an adventure, writes Apple,

00:44:28 ◼   ► without cell service, you can now use Find My

00:44:31 ◼   ► to share your location via satellite

00:44:33 ◼   ► so friends and family know where you are.

00:44:35 ◼   ► I feel like they mentioned this extremely briefly

00:44:37 ◼   ► in the keynote and then blew right by it.

00:44:39 ◼   ► - Yep, they did.

00:44:40 ◼   ► - Well, so since satellite isn't,

00:44:41 ◼   ► like this feature isn't shipping yet,

00:44:43 ◼   ► I forget what the date it is, but we'll talk more

00:44:45 ◼   ► about delayed dates in a little bit.

00:44:46 ◼   ► But anyway, we won't be able to test this

00:44:48 ◼   ► even when we get our phones.

00:44:50 ◼   ► My question is, okay, so I understand the feature,

00:44:53 ◼   ► but does it work by me having to pause in my hike

00:44:55 ◼   ► every once in a while and do that thing

00:44:57 ◼   ► where I point my phone at the satellite,

00:44:58 ◼   ► or does it happen ambiently with my phone in my backpack?

00:45:01 ◼   ► - I'm pretty sure you have to send it.

00:45:03 ◼   ► And the one thing is, so this is,

00:45:06 ◼   ► the way the emergency SOS via satellite feature

00:45:08 ◼   ► was advertised in the keynote,

00:45:10 ◼   ► and everything we know about it so far,

00:45:12 ◼   ► it seems like it is, with this exception,

00:45:16 ◼   ► only able to be used as a 911,

00:45:20 ◼   ► to actually get emergency responder help.

00:45:23 ◼   ► And so you wouldn't wanna use that

00:45:26 ◼   ► if it's not really an emergency.

00:45:28 ◼   ► If you just wanna send a message to somebody,

00:45:31 ◼   ► it would be inappropriate to use that service to do it.

00:45:34 ◼   ► But they said, outside of an emergency situation,

00:45:37 ◼   ► you can still use the satellite service they're providing

00:45:40 ◼   ► to send your location to people upon command,

00:45:44 ◼   ► so periodically.

00:45:45 ◼   ► So if you're out on a hike in the middle of nowhere,

00:45:47 ◼   ► you can send your location once or twice a day

00:45:50 ◼   ► or whatever it is to your spouse or whoever,

00:45:53 ◼   ► your people at home.

00:45:54 ◼   ► You can send it to them to say,

00:45:55 ◼   ► hey look, I was on top of this mountain today.

00:45:57 ◼   ► In case you need to know where I am,

00:45:59 ◼   ► in case something happens,

00:46:01 ◼   ► here's where I was a few hours ago or something like that.

00:46:03 ◼   ► So you can do that.

00:46:04 ◼   ► Now, I do wonder, are people gonna like

00:46:07 ◼   ► devise meanings for things?

00:46:09 ◼   ► Remember when you were growing up,

00:46:11 ◼   ► being the nerd in the room,

00:46:12 ◼   ► and you would need your parents

00:46:14 ◼   ► to pick you up from somewhere,

00:46:15 ◼   ► and you learned about collect calls,

00:46:17 ◼   ► and so you'd go to the nearest pay phone,

00:46:19 ◼   ► and you wouldn't put a quarter in.

00:46:20 ◼   ► You'd call collect to your parents,

00:46:23 ◼   ► and it would ask you for your name,

00:46:24 ◼   ► and you'd be like, "Hey, Mom, can you pick me up now, bye?"

00:46:26 ◼   ► And then your mom would get a phone call,

00:46:29 ◼   ► "Would you like to accept a collect call

00:46:30 ◼   ► "from, hey, Mom, can you pick me up now, bye?"

00:46:32 ◼   ► - As if your reading glasses story

00:46:33 ◼   ► didn't already make people think you're old.

00:46:35 ◼   ► None of the kids have any idea what you're talking about.

00:46:38 ◼   ► - Right, so in the absence of a proper communication channel

00:46:43 ◼   ► that you wanted to use, you would fake this kind of

00:46:46 ◼   ► sideband capability of this other channel

00:46:48 ◼   ► that you could use.

00:46:49 ◼   ► Well, I wonder, are you gonna devise a system with like,

00:46:52 ◼   ► okay, well, if my location is on the north side

00:46:57 ◼   ► of a little tiny hill, it means I want you

00:47:02 ◼   ► to deliver me a pizza.

00:47:03 ◼   ► If your location is on the east side,

00:47:06 ◼   ► It means I just saw a funny looking animal.

00:47:09 ◼   ► I wonder if people will do stuff like that.

00:47:12 ◼   ► - Nobody's gonna know what a collect call is.

00:47:13 ◼   ► And if I try to explain it now,

00:47:15 ◼   ► you're just gonna cut it out, aren't you?

00:47:16 ◼   ► - No, 'cause our listeners, somebody out there

00:47:19 ◼   ► was like the head engineer who designed collect calls.

00:47:22 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:47:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, we'll put a link in the show

00:47:25 ◼   ► and still collect calls.

00:47:26 ◼   ► It's not that interesting except to appreciate

00:47:28 ◼   ► modern technology and how lucky you are

00:47:30 ◼   ► to never have had to deal with this.

00:47:31 ◼   ► And also, and I would say the really more visceral part

00:47:35 ◼   ► dealing with collect calls and stuff like that, is the idea that as children we would

00:47:41 ◼   ► all just be waiting at the school for our parents to pick us up with no way to communicate

00:47:45 ◼   ► with them because we don't have a quarter for the phone and there's no one home to get

00:47:49 ◼   ► our collect call because our parents are at work or on the road or whatever and we don't

00:47:53 ◼   ► know their work number or if they're on the road we can't call them.

00:47:55 ◼   ► And so you just sit there at the school and there'd just be a bunch of kids sitting out

00:47:58 ◼   ► in front of the school just waiting, just waiting, half an hour, hour.

00:48:02 ◼   ► Sometimes you think about it, I could probably walk home, how far is it?

00:48:04 ◼   ► and you're like, "Ah, I'd walk along the highway,

00:48:06 ◼   ► "that seems dangerous," so you just sit there waiting.

00:48:08 ◼   ► And you assume your parents are gonna come

00:48:09 ◼   ► pick you up at some point.

00:48:10 ◼   ► That's an experience most kids don't have these days.

00:48:12 ◼   ► These days, they wanna get picked up,

00:48:14 ◼   ► they wanna get picked up now,

00:48:15 ◼   ► and if you're not there immediately,

00:48:16 ◼   ► something is wrong and they're nagging you

00:48:19 ◼   ► via text or whatever, we just have to sit at the school

00:48:21 ◼   ► and wait and assume someone will come and get us.

00:48:22 ◼   ► - If you're not there immediately,

00:48:23 ◼   ► they'll just summon their own Lyft from their phone.

00:48:25 ◼   ► (laughing)

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