500: All the Nerds in the Room
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My streak is over.
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Not our 500th episode streak,
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'cause this is the 500th episode,
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but my streak of not needing any kind of corrective eyewear
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is over. - Oh, oh no.
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Oh, what happened?
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- So I turned 40 a few months ago.
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- Yeah, everything takes a dump right around then.
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- Warranty runs out.
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- It must have been within the same month.
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I started noticing, hmm,
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my minimum focus distance is increasing.
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And as that kept getting worse, I'm like,
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you know, this seems to be happening quickly.
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Like I'm suddenly noticing in the last few months,
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like I can't focus as close as I used to anymore.
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And it finally reached the point of like
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my nighttime phone in bed reading distance.
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And I thought, uh-oh, it's time.
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I should probably go to an eye doctor
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for the first time ever.
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- Oh, I'm so jealous.
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One of the advantages, I think, of being somebody who has been nearsighted their entire life,
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my close-up vision is pretty darn good for someone of my advanced age.
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Can't see anything two feet past my face, but close-up, boy, I don't need any corrective
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Yeah, well, now I have officially been prescribed reading glasses.
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Oh, reading glasses!
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Not even regular glasses, just reading glasses?
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I'm still OK on distance, but I need readers now.
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I mean, you could get prescription up-close glasses
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as just probably saving you some money
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to get cheap-out reading glasses.
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They wanted me to pick out glasses there,
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and I'm like, you know what?
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I need my wife to be here for this,
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because I don't have the confidence
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to make this choice myself.
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Also to catch you when you faint when
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you see how much glasses cost.
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I mean, readers are cheap, but you know, well, cheaper--
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The connection between the bill of goods,
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how much does it cost to manufacture, distribute,
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blah, blah, blah, plus profit margin in the glasses
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and how much you pay for them,
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it's like the same connection between that
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and printer ink prices.
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It just makes no sense whatsoever.
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- Yeah, by the way, people in the chat are saying
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how lucky I am and how horrible their stuff is.
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If it makes you feel any better,
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I went bald and gray in my early 20s,
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so it all balances out in different ways.
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Anyway, so one interesting part about it,
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besides the crushing anxiety of getting older
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and having my body slowly break down
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and having that be very apparent in a very clear way
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all of a sudden, is that for the first time ever,
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I had those eye dilating drops for them to do the exam.
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- First time ever in your life, huh, wow.
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- How was it trying to read your phone
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moments after that happened?
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- So at first, so he puts the drops in,
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and he's like, all right, now you can go wait
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in the waiting room, I'll bring you back in in 15 minutes.
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And I was like, well, I'm like, all right, cool.
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He's like, what things are we gonna do
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is artificially age you forward by a lot.
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Okay, whatever that means.
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So I'm sitting in the waiting room at first,
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like nothing's happening, and then I start noticing,
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huh, it is starting now to get a little bit blurrier,
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and then over the span of a couple minutes,
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it's like, oh no, and it's to the point where like,
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I'm holding my phone out and I'm like,
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trying to get like a Twitter reply in like right before,
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I'm like, I only have a minute left.
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And I also, because Tiff couldn't come with me
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for logistical reasons, so I was there alone
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and I had just taken a Lyft there,
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like from the ferry station.
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She warned me about this, she's like,
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you probably won't be able to drive home.
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All right, all right, so I took a Lyft.
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But right before I was about to lose sight of my phone,
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I quickly went in and turned on increased contrast
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and raised the font size all the way up.
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And I opened up Lyft and kind of preset where I was going.
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So I'm like, because I test with voiceover,
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I could use my phone totally blind,
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but because I don't regularly use it,
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I'm very slow at it.
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So I'm like, all right, let me at least set things up
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as well as I can to give myself the best
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chance of success here and hopefully able to do this.
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Meanwhile, the eye doctor office has no reception.
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It's one of those office buildings.
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It's old concrete and steel probably, so it has no reception.
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I'm doing all this with the slowest internet connection.
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My phone's super hot trying to get a signal,
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and I'm slowly losing my vision.
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And it was quite a harrowing experience
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to be doing this for the very first time at age 40
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and never having experienced it.
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It was, I mean, not to use a terrible pun,
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it was illuminating, it really was.
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Because I very much appreciated, first of all, my vision,
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and I secondly very much appreciated
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the accessibility features of the iPhone in that moment.
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I could so quickly just boost stuff up,
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and it was very apparent to me very quickly
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how many apps, including sections of my own app,
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like the now playing screen, are terrible with,
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or just don't adjust at all.
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Like, in my last update to Overcast,
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when I did, I redid a lot of the list screen stuff,
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I much better adopted dynamic text.
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It's still not perfect.
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I kinda have to wait for my Swift UI rewrite
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to do a lot of that, 'cause I have a lot of really old
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table view code that just does not resize gracefully.
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So I did some of it in the last redesign,
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and I wanna do more in like, you know,
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the now playing screen stuff I'm working on next.
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But man, so many apps don't even bother.
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They don't even try.
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- Nope, no, it's terrible.
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You know, it's funny you bring all this up
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because I had occasion to remember a blog post
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I wrote back in 2016 about this exact same thing.
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I was looking at this just earlier today
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by pure happenstance, and you know,
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I have truly terrible eyes.
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I have this weird thing called keratoconus
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where it makes my cornea,
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it's the front of my eyes basically pointy.
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Like, you would never know it just by looking at me,
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although in extreme cases of keratoconus, it's very visible.
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But for me, you would never know it by looking at me,
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But that means I need hard contact lenses in order to like put a more like a rounded
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front in front of my eyes so I can actually see.
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And with my hard contacts in, I actually see pretty well without contact lenses, even with
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glasses that are as thick as Coke bottles, I can't see garbage.
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I can see like literally six inches in front of my head and then everything turns extremely
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blurry extremely quickly.
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You would think I would hate bouquet based on that, but I'd still like it for some reason.
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But anyways, but I wrote a post back in 2016 about exactly this, and coincidentally the
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GIF that I put in there was a text message between me and Underscore, where I was demonstrating,
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cranking the font size from normal to just ridiculous in order for me to be able to see
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And yeah, it's one of those very striking things where if you're lucky enough to be
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able-bodied and to not have any particular affliction which would require you to use
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any of the accessibility features,
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it doesn't seem like it's that big a deal
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because myopically and selfishly it isn't.
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And then suddenly, even if you're generally able-bodied,
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or forgive me if that's not the appropriate term for it,
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but if you're generally without needing
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any of these affordances, then suddenly,
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you get dilating drops or whatever the case may be,
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and you do, and you realize, first of all,
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thank goodness that Apple's put the work in,
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and some developers, but not all of them,
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thank goodness Apple's put the work in to make this possible,
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be it because of dynamic text,
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be it because of voiceover or what have you, but secondly, how unbelievably lucky are you
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/ me / we / whomever in order to not have to worry about that day to day? And it's really,
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it's one of those things that's like, you know, the typical Republican thing of, oh,
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this doesn't bother me because it doesn't affect me and then suddenly affects me and
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now, oh, we need to change laws because suddenly this affects me. I found that I was very myopic
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about this in a very Republican way, which I'm not proud of, and that was a very illuminating
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experience again not to use the wrong word like you said Marco but it was an
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illuminating you just said my offing I mean yeah that's true I don't even think
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about that see I'm terrible I should just stop talking happy episode 500 but
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but it was a good run and I ruined it but no seriously though it's it's really
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it changes your perspective very quickly when you're put in a position even just
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temporarily that you are that these sorts of affordances are absolutely
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necessary and it's it's a cool that it's a possibility at all yeah I was I was
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I was very thankful in those moments for,
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yeah, both my usual need not for this stuff,
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but then also that all of this stuff was available to me
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in the phone I already had, with the software I already had,
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and I, you know, I mean, partly 'cause I'm,
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you know, because I'm a developer,
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I know where the settings are,
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but I was able to adjust it in seconds,
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'cause I didn't have long.
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Like, once the processor started accelerating,
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I was like, oh no, I don't have long at all,
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and I very quickly, like, was able to go do it,
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and it was fine.
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And the only, like, Lyft, I went back to Lyft
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and it said you have to restart the app
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to change your font setting. - Oh no!
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- I'm like, all right, whatever.
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Bad hack, okay, but I did that, it was fine after that.
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But yeah, there were so many things
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that were just not adjusted,
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including some stuff in the system itself.
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Like I was surprised, like,
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I couldn't see my battery status, really,
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'cause those little top parts of the status bar
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don't adjust size, even when you put on control center,
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like you don't even get a big version there.
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I was kind of surprised at some of the system stuff
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that was not embiggened by those settings.
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But anyway, I was very thankful they were there
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and it was very illuminating to me
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and kind of shaming to me that like,
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parts of my own app did not react well
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and so I'm gonna be working on that.
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But anyway, so here I have joined the ranks of,
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I think most people ever that I now need some eye help
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and well, here we go.
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This is the start, it's a very minor start
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but it will progress.
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I actually, due to a previous costume need,
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I actually own a pair of the model of glasses frames
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that Steve Jobs wore.
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And so I might like see if I can just get
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reading glass lenses for those,
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'cause like why should I buy more glasses
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if I already have a pair that has dud lenses in it?
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But I don't know.
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- So this is the way you choose to save money.
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It's not keeping the FJ Cruiser.
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It instead it's saving on an extra set of frames.
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I made a profit on the FJ Cruiser.
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If you wanted to spend some money instead of saving it, now is the time listeners
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to go to stju.org/atp, S T J U D E.org/ATP, where you too can help end childhood
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cancer. Like for real, you can help do that.
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That is the thing that you, the listener that I'm talking to right now,
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You can do it. You can also help prevent forest fires. But anyway, you can go to stjude.org/ATP
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and you can donate to help end childhood cancer. Here's the thing, cancer sucks a lot.
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It double sucks if it's afflicting a kid. So we don't want that to happen. You don't want that to happen.
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Why don't you go to stjude.org/ATP and throw a couple of dollars their way? Or maybe many couples of dollars?
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Hundreds or thousands of couples of dollars their way. If you recall, ATP as a group has donated
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We donated $21,012 because we're all jerks
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and we're fighting with each other,
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although Jon would argue I'm the biggest jerk of them all.
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I'll take that as a point of pride, I guess.
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Anyway. - I guess you kinda cheated.
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- I don't know about that anyway.
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We're not gonna open that conversation again,
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but Guilame Morin, and I apologize
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if I've butchered your name,
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is the current top individual donor,
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as far as I'm aware, at $7,008.
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Thank you very much. - Nice.
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- You have not reached out to me that I have seen
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to collect your stickers, if you're even aware
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that that's a thing, I'm assuming so.
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So please find a way to reach out to me and let me know, and I'm happy to send you stickers
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anywhere that the United States Postal Service will deliver to, which is, no joke, many,
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many, many, many countries.
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So please reach out.
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Additionally, breaking news as of just a few hours ago, 1Password has bought my love, at
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least for a little while, by donating as a company $30,029.34.
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I believe that odd number was to get the campaign as a whole past $200,000, which is amazing.
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Amazing so thank you genuinely from the bottom of my heart one password for doing that
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And also gee, I'm a a gee gee. I'm a I'm gonna go with that. I hope that's right fix correct me
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I will do a maya copa on the show. Yeah, I'm gonna say not correct. Okay. Well, what would you do then?
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John I don't know, but I'm just I'm putting I'm putting my money on not correct
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Well, you know what? We can shame me as part of your seven thousand eight seven thousand and eight dollar donation
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You can shame me or I will shame myself on the next episode. Just let me know
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Well, anyways, so if you wanna end childhood cancer,
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if you wanna support these incredible heroes
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that are trying to end childhood cancer,
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if you wanna support the research that they do
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that is spread worldwide to end childhood cancer
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not only here in America, but everywhere,
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stjude.org/atp.
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- Don't forget about the company match.
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We always forget about this. - Oh, I almost did it again!
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I almost did it again, I almost forgot, I'm sorry.
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- So a lot of people, if you have a jobby job,
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a lot of companies will match whatever you donate,
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sometimes up to a limit, sometimes whatever you do.
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So if you donate 10 bucks, they'll donate 10 bucks, right?
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up to whatever amount, then again,
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it might be unlimited to your company.
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So find out if your company does that
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and let them know that you donated.
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So it basically doubles your donation for free.
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Get your company to donate.
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And if you do do a company match,
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what your company donated so that it goes
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towards the relay total to get them over the line.
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The more important thing is that the company
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actually sends the money and matches your donation.
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That's the important thing.
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which I think it is, but just in case,
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if you go to stjoe.org/relay,
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then I am 100% sure it's there.
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- Same page.
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- No, they're two different pages.
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We skip past the whole sub-fund register thing.
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- Oh, that's right, okay.
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- Yeah, so anyway, suffice it to say,
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please join us in helping Relay
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to help end childhood cancer, please and thank you.
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This will continue throughout the month of September.
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Please go ahead and check.
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Oh, and by the way, I almost forgot,
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this coming Friday, so probably within a day or two,
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probably one of you listening to this very program,
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on the 16th of September from noon, one true time zone
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until 8 p.m. one true time zone
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will be the Relay Podcast-a-thon
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where Mike and Steven will, God willing, be together.
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And they will be, for the first time in a few years,
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hosting the Podcast-a-thon at,
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Well, both of them, that is, at St. Jude.
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I will be making an appearance. It would not surprise me.
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I genuinely don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me
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if my co-hosts make an appearance.
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Maybe, maybe not. It'll be a surprise for everyone.
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But check that out. It's a lot of fun.
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It's eight hours, so dip in and out.
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And, you know, stay in as much as you can,
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but you can dip in and out. It's super-duper fun.
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And that'll be this Friday on Twitch.
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I think it's twitch.tv/relay.
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I hope. I'm not 100% sure about that,
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but you can just search. You'll find it.
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So stjude.org/atp. Donate now.
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A little bit more housekeeping.
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Today, right now, this episode is the 500th episode of ATP.
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How did that happen?
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How is that possible?
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- Very slowly over time.
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- Right, like I understand mathematics
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'cause it was like, what was it, April
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or something like that of 2013?
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So it's about 10 years and about 52 episodes a year.
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So I mean, it makes sense.
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But your intrepid hosts with a couple of asterisks
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have recorded 500 episodes of ATP,
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and we have not missed a week
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since something like April of 2013 or thereabouts.
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And I'm pretty proud of us,
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and I'm extremely thankful for anyone
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who has listened to any episode much,
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and I can't imagine people who have listened to all 500.
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There's a really great website
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that a listener put together, catatp.fm,
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I think that's right, catatp.fm.
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And on there, there's some really fun statistics.
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I'm not gonna read all these off,
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but the great and top statistic is total length
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of all episodes, 988 hours, 45 minutes, 14.1 seconds,
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which is just bananas.
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I am genuinely, as much as I'm laughing and joking,
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I'm extremely proud of what the three of us have done.
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I am thankful to every single listener
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that's listened to even but a moment of those 988 hours.
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I mean, if you think about it, when we started,
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I had a regular jobby job.
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In fact, it was like one or two jobby jobs
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before my last jobby job.
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John was about halfway maybe
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through his most recent jobby job.
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Marco, well you've been a disaster
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ever since we got together,
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so that's no surprise there.
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But I had no children, and now I have two and a dog.
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I mean, it has been quite a run for all three of us.
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And God willing, as I knock furiously on wood,
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God willing, we have another 500 in us.
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But one way or another, I am genuinely so thankful
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to every listener who has listened,
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who has at least looked at a sponsor's website,
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and who has told their friends about us,
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who has rated us five stars on Apple Podcasts,
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whatever thing, any of you who have done anything
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to help us, it genuinely, from the bottom of my heart,
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means so much to us.
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And I would like to tell,
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I would like to talk about the surprise
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unless you two have anything you wanna add.
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- No, I wanna add just, you know,
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how awesome everyone is.
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And the thing is, this show, I mean, look, we love doing it.
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And the reality is, even if our listenership
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went down to nothing, we would probably still keep doing it
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because you can't stop the three of us
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from talking to each other about computers and other BS.
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That just happens when you put us together.
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'Cause that's how the show got made,
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and that's how it keeps, and we said in the past,
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Making the show for us is, while it is work,
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it is very easy in the sense that we all get along
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really well, we love talking about this crap.
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As I said, we'll do it no matter what.
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And everything just, it's an easy show to keep going.
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We have no inter-host friction or drama.
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We have good money coming in,
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which we'll get to in a second.
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And we have good logistics.
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We're all in the same time zone,
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our internet connections are all rock solid.
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We all show up on time, all that stuff
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that can make things hard to make.
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We don't have those challenges, we're very lucky.
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We have a news-based show, and so we're not
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a subject matter really, and you also all
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are a little flexible on what you will tolerate
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us talking about, which also helps a lot.
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So it's a show that we really do enjoy making
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and that I think has a pretty solid future
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ahead of it in addition to the pretty damn solid past.
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And on the money thing, I think what,
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we are very fortunate that we have the audience
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that we have in all of you out there,
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because we have a very loyal audience.
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If you look at our raw numbers,
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our audience does not really grow over time.
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We grew for a while, and then we kind of found our audience,
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and we stayed there.
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And for most kinds of businesses or startups
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or anything on the web, content stuff mostly,
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Once you stop growing the audience, that's like death,
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because there's usually a whole bunch of churn
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of people who drop off the show
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because they aren't interested anymore,
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or it wasn't holding their attention,
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or they stop listening to things entirely, whatever.
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And for our show, that doesn't happen.
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We have a very loyal audience.
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It's a great place to be for people
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who create any kind of content for a living like we do,
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because we don't need to play the games
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or have the same level of stresses that a lot of people do.
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We can keep showing up and doing what we do,
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and again, because it's mostly news-based,
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we have an infinite supply of that.
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News will keep happening in the tech business,
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especially in the Apple sphere that we usually cover.
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So that part's good, and as long as you all
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keep showing up and listening,
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we can largely ignore most of the crap
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that other podcasters and other content creators
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on other media are pressured to get into.
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So we don't have to do weird growth hacking stuff.
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We don't have to do that crappy dynamic ad insertion
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of local car dealer ads.
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We don't have to do any of that
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because we have such a great loyal audience.
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And so I really appreciate all of you a ton for that.
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And the fact is that we've made 500 episodes
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of the nerdiest stuff imaginable
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And many of you out there have actually listened
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to all of it.
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Like, who else can say that?
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There's not a lot of other shows out there
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that can say that they've produced 500 multi-hour podcasts
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over the span of a decade,
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and many people in their audience have listened to all of it.
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That's an incredible thing.
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We are extremely lucky to have you out there
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listening to us.
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And so, thank you very much for that.
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I want to give a special thanks to the listeners who write into us.
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That is, I always feel like, kind of an unsung, you know, attribute of our show.
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Yes, it's news based and we talk about news topics and we talk about whatever weird things
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we're into or whatever we're buying and we talk about our lives to some degree.
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But a lot of the best info on this show comes from our listeners because they email us,
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tweet at us, whatever, and we have enough listeners and those listeners are nerdy enough
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that if we talk about a topic, you know,
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I'm gonna make something up.
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It's like, we'll talk about mushrooms and be like,
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we'll get an email right after the show is published.
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I've been growing mushrooms for 50 years.
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And it's like, what?
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You've been growing mushrooms for 50 years?
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You're a mushroomologist?
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You went to, you are the head of the mushroom department
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at some big university?
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- Does one grow mushrooms or raise them or clone them?
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What is the verb for producing mushrooms?
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- I mean, we just had it recently
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where they were talking about audio sync or whatever.
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It's like, oh, I do this for a living.
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You sync audio for a living?
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It's like, yeah, that's a job.
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- Yes, I do.
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- Right, no, it's just, it's amazing.
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Or someone's like, yeah, I did this for a living
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back when I worked and now I'm retired.
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And let me tell you how it was in the old days.
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Just so many listeners with amazing knowledge.
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And presumably they're just sitting there
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listening to episodes for years for that one day
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when we talk about audio and video sync.
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And they're like, now's my time to shine.
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And it's awesome and we love it.
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Like they contribute so much, not just to Ask ATP
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because we get tons of Ask ATP questions.
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And I wanna apologize for that.
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Like we do Ask ATP every show.
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we try to do three questions a show if we can,
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sometimes we have to skip it due to time constraints,
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we get hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of questions
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to ask ATP, and that's awesome,
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but realize we can't actually answer them all.
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But same thing with feedback or whatever,
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this is just, our audience has so much knowledge,
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and they're so specific, such specific knowledge
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that I love that they will be able to
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contribute to the show, right?
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I used to get that when I wrote my long-form Mac OS X reviews
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but by the time you publish the review,
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it's too late for that info, but on this show,
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there's always another episode and there's always follow-ups.
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So I wanted to thank all the listeners for contributing.
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And if you're out there and you have never written
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to the show and you're like an expert
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on like raising lizards or something,
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just keep listening, who knows?
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- We'll get there, we'll get there.
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- We'll be talking about the Iguana flag Easter egg
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on the PowerPC Mac and it'll be your time to hop in
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and say, actually, it's not an Iguana
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and you'll tell us all about it.
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- Yeah, that's the thing too.
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So we, I mean, I can assume from the two of you
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that you probably had a similar time coming up in the world
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as I did in the sense that we were all pretty far nerdier
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than most of the people around us in our lives.
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'Cause we all grew up in the early to none days
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of the internet and so the internet has made it very easy
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people to find other people like them for good and bad. That wasn't so much the case
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when we were coming up. And so, you know, it was always like we were, we were the nerds.
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And you know, that at the time that felt, it for me at least felt quite lonely a lot
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of the times. And still in most of life, I am the nerd in the room. But this show brings
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together all of the nerds in the rooms everywhere. Like all of you out there, there's a pretty
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good chance. You were that nerd in the room and now you found others. And you can listen
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to 500 episodes of us talking to and with and about other people like us. And it's a
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very nice thing to find. In the same way I found my fish people when I went to the fish
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concert and that's another thing that I never have any support for in the world. This is
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the kind of thing like…
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Jared: Nor here for them.
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Michael: Nor here, yeah. But this is the kind of thing like, we found our people and it's
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one of the great things that the internet makes possible.
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And we're so lucky to have all of you out there,
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because we can all be the nerd in the room together.
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- I just wanna make one more pitch for my spiel
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that I did on episode 400.
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We usually don't do much for milestones,
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but 500 is pretty big, and 400, I did a little thing.
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It's in the after show.
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If this is your first episode of ATP, I guess,
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every 500 episodes, I should describe how the show works.
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If this is your first episode of ATP,
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At a certain point you'll hear someone sing a song that, well it's gonna be a different
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song this week, but the normal song says the show is over.
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It's not really over.
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The show keeps going after the song for varying amounts of times.
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That's kind of the after show.
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In the after show of episode 400 I attempt to describe what I think people get out of
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ATP and why we're doing it and what I think is good about it.
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And I probably will literally never do that little speech again, so if you want to hear
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I'm not going to do it today, but episode 400 is right out there.
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ATP.fm/400 because we have good URLs.
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All right. So surprise time.
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So as a thank you to members of ATP and you can subscribe at ATP.fm/join.
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You can go a year at a time or a month at a time.
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And as a thank you to our members who, and we are incredibly thankful to everyone,
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but kind of maybe especially the members.
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As a thank you to the members we are doing for the first time,
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exclusive content just for the members.
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And we wanted to do something that is additive,
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like we don't want to take away anything
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that you're already getting.
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And we wanted to do something that wasn't necessarily
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our core competency, because again,
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then it seems like maybe that's a little bit gross,
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or at least that's the way we thought of it today.
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You asked me again in 10 years at episode 1000,
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where you're paying per segment or something
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to listen to the show.
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But sitting here now, we wanted to do something additive
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that was a little bit out of our wheelhouse. And what we concluded was we are going to do a
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three episode run, one episode per week, of ATP Movie Club. So the way this works is we watched,
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the three of us watched three different movies. Each host had a chance to pick one of the movies.
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So this week we are going to release the first episode of the three episode mini-series, that is
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is the ATP Movie Club, and it is going to be all three
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of us discussing the movie that Marco picked.
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And Marco, would you like to describe what you did?
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- Since I learned that Casey had not yet seen it,
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the movie I chose to force him to watch
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was My Cousin Vinny.
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I love this movie, and you will hear why,
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and it is, I think it's wonderful
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to have put Casey and Jon through this.
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Well, we'll let you hear what the two of us thought of it,
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'cause, you know, again, all three of us watched all three movies.
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And we're not gonna tell you what the other movies are.
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I think we're gonna leave those as a surprise for when the episodes drop in the members-only feeds.
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But we are starting with My Cousin Vinny.
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I will say that the next pick was mine and the final pick was Jon's,
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and that's all I'm going to say about that.
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But this was a lot of fun for the three of us to do.
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We're still doing the show after all three episodes, so I guess that's a good sign.
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I think it was a little hit or miss for a couple of moments there, but for the most part, it was a lot of fun.
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So that is as a thank you to members.
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And you can go to ATP.FM/join to get these three episodes over the next three weeks.
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As I sit here now, we, we want to do more exclusive content eventually, but we have no plans at this moment.
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So this might not happen again till episode 1000.
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It might not happen for a hundred episodes.
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We honestly don't know.
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But as a thank you to members, we wanted to do that
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as a, in recognition of episode 500.
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So that's what we've done.
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And again, My Cousin Vinny as selected by Marco
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will be the first episode that will drop
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at some point this week.
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- Yeah, and you know, speaking of feedback,
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as part of what we do in the future,
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it depends on how members feel about this.
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Do you like it?
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Was it boring?
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Do you not care about movies?
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Let us know what you think
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after all the episodes have aired.
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- Yeah, and for each one, by the way,
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like when you look at the title in the feed,
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like watch the movie before you listen to it because there obviously will be spoilers
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about the movies. So when you see the movie title in there, watch the movie before you
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listen to it.
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Yep, yep, yeah. We don't have any spoiler horn or anything like that. It's basically
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spoiler city from the second that we start the episode. So be warned. All right. Now
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we have to get on to the regularly scheduled programming. Thank you for letting us navel
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gaze for just a moment.
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Oh yeah, it's a tech podcast.
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I have been riveted to figure out what's going on with your polarizer and lens protector John.
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It's back baby, it's back.
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We didn't get to do this.
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So when John talked about polarizers in the episode before the Apple event episode, we
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got so much feedback because half of what he said was wrong and then we couldn't cover
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it in last week because it was the event episode and we didn't have time.
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So we just kept getting more and more feedback.
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all the same stuff, yeah, everything you said was wrong.
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- Not everything I said was wrong.
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So here was the misunderstanding that I had.
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Here was my, the main thing I was mistaken about,
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which many, many people pointed out, of course.
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I was talking about my polarizer
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that I stick on the front of my interchangeable lens camera
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and it's like a little thing that goes over the lens
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and you can twist it.
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And I was surprised that there was no markings on it
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telling me like how it should be aligned or anything.
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'Cause my, what I had in my head was that you would twist it
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and there was a position where it was sort of like
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at maximum effect and there was another position
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where it was not doing anything.
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And that's not true at all because what I had in my mind
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was a two element system where if anyone has ever taken
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two pairs of polarized sunglasses or two polarized pieces
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of like, you know, material in like a, you know,
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school laboratory or whatever, if you put them together
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and you twist them, when they're at 90 degrees
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to each other, like across, they'll be totally black.
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And then when you twist them 90 degrees back the other way,
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they're as transparent as they're gonna get.
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but that's not how polarizers, a circular polarizer
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that I bought and put on my camera works.
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It only has one element, it's just a single polarizing thing
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and so it's not twisting against any other polarized thing
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so there is no position in which it is totally black
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for instance or position in which it is, you know,
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totally transparent or whatever.
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Instead, it is just a polarizing filter
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and it is going to let through light,
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the waves are wiggling in one particular direction
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or whatever, and the way you're supposed to use it is,
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you, I mean, there's a whole bunch of people said,
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oh, you can look at where the sun is, you can do this,
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you can do that, but the bottom line is,
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what light do you not want to get through,
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and what light do you want to get through?
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Twist, the simple answer is, twist the lens
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until the picture looks the way you want it to look.
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And that really is it, because it depends on what light
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you're trying to cancel out.
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Is it a reflection off a flat pool of water?
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Is it a reflection off a curved car bumper?
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Like, what are you trying to see or not see?
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So that explains why there are no markings on it
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because it is entirely up to you how you want to twist it
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and how you want it to work.
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And actually there is a filter that works the way
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I was describing.
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It's called a variable neutral density filter,
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which actually is, you know,
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we talked about neutral density filters two weeks ago.
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It's like a way to block light
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from getting into your camera
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so you can have a bigger aperture
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without blowing out the frames in your video or whatever.
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A variable neutral density filter
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is so you don't have to keep swapping filters.
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It's one filter with two elements
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that twist relative to each other,
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to polarize elements, which was relatively
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to become darker or lighter.
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But anyway, I just have a brain polarizer filter.
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But that's not the exciting part about this feedback.
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So yes, thank you to everyone who sent me that feedback.
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I'll put some links in the show notes of like explanations
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of this that are more long-winded and more detailed.
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But one person, Stepan Doelenzahl, sent me a link
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to a MinutePhysics video about polarizers.
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And I was like, oh yeah, well, a million people sent stuff.
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I know MinutePhysics, maybe I haven't seen this one.
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So I started watching it again,
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and it goes through polarization.
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It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, great.
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It's got some cool diagrams.
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But then it gets into a super cool thing
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that kind of reminds me of, I mean,
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it kind of reminds me of the feeling I got,
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a feeling I used to get when I would tell,
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this is gonna sound nerdy, you tell people about--
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- The feeling you get when you tell people
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about special relativity, it's kind of like--
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- Have you done this a lot?
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- Yeah, this is something that you just do from time to time?
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- When I was a kid, I used to do it, right?
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So here's the thing.
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- This is the least surprising thing you've ever said.
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- I'll put a link in the show notes about this.
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This polarizer thing, if you haven't ever seen this before,
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it will give you a similar feeling,
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learning about special relativity.
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It's like special relativity, you can explain it to people,
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or when you first learn it, in my case,
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when you're a kid or whatever, the ideas behind it,
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like, wait a second, everybody in the world has known,
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it's not everybody, obviously,
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but everyone in the world has known that this is true
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and no one has told me,
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and they've known it since the early 1900s.
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Everyone has known that the speed of light is a constant
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in any inertial frame of reference,
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and all the consequences that come from that,
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and no one just says anything about it.
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You tell someone about it when they're an adult,
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and the consequences of it, and you're like,
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"Yeah, things shrink in their direction of motion."
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You're like, "What do you mean things shrink?"
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Like, well, see, the speed of light is a constant,
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everything else, including time and space,
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adjusts to accommodate that.
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Like, no, that's not how anything works.
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Like, no, yeah, that's how things work.
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It's like, no, that's not, yeah.
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It's like the nature of reality.
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So many people don't, things that,
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fundamental things that people don't know
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about the nature of reality,
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mostly 'cause it's not relevant to your daily life,
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when things are not moving past each other
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at anything approaching the speed of light,
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so it's not relevant.
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But when you learn that about your reality,
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you're like, it blows your mind, and then you learn,
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yeah, and scientists have known this
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for like 100-something years.
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And you're like, what?
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And no one told me?
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So here, the polarizer one has something like that.
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So here's the fun polarizer thing.
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It's in the video, so I'll put a link in the show notes
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if you wanna watch this YouTube video.
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It explains it probably better than I'm going to right now.
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But remember what I said about the polarizing filters
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and like you, you know, you twist it and it like,
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they only let through light that is going
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in a particular direction and they don't let through light
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that's going in other directions, right?
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So if you take two polarizing filters and you put,
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you know, one filter on one end of a tube
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and one filter on the other end of the tube, right?
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And you shine light in one end, right?
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If you twist those two lenses relative to each other,
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you can adjust how much light is going through
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because the first filter will filter out some light
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and then you twist the other one.
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If you twist them in 90 degrees,
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it in theory blocks all of the light, right?
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and if you, you know, 90 degrees relative to each other.
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And as you align them to be facing the same direction,
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they let through as much light as possible, right?
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So you get these two filters,
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one on one and one on the other, and you twist them.
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So they're knocking out some amount of light, right?
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And you're like, okay, I put in this amount of light,
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and then I see the amount of light
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that comes out the other end is like half.
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So the amount that I've twisted them,
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I'm knocking out half the light.
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The exciting thing about polarizing filters is
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if you take that arrangement,
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two filters, one on each end of a tube,
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light goes in, half the light comes out.
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If you put a third filter in the middle of the tube,
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more light can come out the end than before.
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- So you got two filters, light goes in,
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half the light comes out.
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It's like, I know what I'll do.
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I'll put a third filter in the middle and I'll twist it.
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And now more light comes out the end.
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- And this is one of those things that's like,
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okay, you think you know how reality works,
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but it's like learning about special relativity.
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It's like, wait, that doesn't make any sense.
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And you start bargaining with yourself about,
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Okay, well maybe like the first filter changes the light
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so that the second filter like changes it back
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so more of it goes through the second one.
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Watch the video.
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It will probably hurt your brain a little bit,
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probably a little bit more than special relativity does
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'cause that's the type of thing
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you can explain pretty easily.
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This gets into quantum mechanics and stuff.
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But the bottom line is the universe does not work
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the way you think it works in many really important ways.
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And something as simple as a pair of polarizing sunglasses
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can show you this and then lead you to do all the experiments
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that again scientists did like, you know, 100 years ago,
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to learn something about reality that scientists know
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but regular people don't, that is very, very disturbing
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and will really make you question the nature
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of your reality as they say on Westworld.
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- I feel better for having had my reality rocked
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here on the 500th episode of ATP.
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- See, other people just take drugs.
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We have this stuff.
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- We have physics.
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- Next time you go to a fish concert,
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bring a tube and three polarizing filters with you.
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And be like, okay, light goes in the end, light goes in.
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Now I'm gonna put in the third filter.
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What do you think's gonna happen?
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Everybody's like, it's gonna block more light, dude.
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It's like, really?
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Ah, more light is coming out.
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Colin Robertson writes in,
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"Regarding the iPhone's main camera focal lengths,
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Marco mentioned that he thought most iPhones until the 14 Pro were all equivalent to be about 26 millimeters
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I was recently wondering the same thing
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So I gathered as much information as I could about every iPhone camera system and I put it all together in a spreadsheet which we
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Will link in the show notes. It's an iCloud numbers document. So who knows if it'll work, but we'll see
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Colin continues to get to the point
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The main camera is going from 37 millimeters on the original iPhone 3GS to excuse me
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The original iPhone through 3GS to now 24 millimeters the 4 4s and 5 were all around 30 to 32
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My favorite focal length was in the iPhone was the 4s rights Colin
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Then to about 28 millimeters on the 5s through the 10 then to 26 millimeters starting with the 10s generation
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Also, John assumed that the 2x mode on the 14 Pro camera is quotes still going to be better than any 2x camera that Apple
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Has ever shipped unfortunately quote
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I didn't believe him because that's a pretty heavy crop doing the math on that the new substantially larger sensor
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cropped to the 2x size will take the 9.8 by 7.3 millimeter sensor to 4.9 by
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3.65 millimeters, which is still larger than the 4 by 3 telephoto sensors that have been all the iPhone 2x and 3x cameras. Nice!
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Finally, Jon should use a lens hood to protect his lenses rather than a clear UV filter. God help me, here
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we are again. They help reduce flare which results in washed out low contrast images and are better at protecting the front element than a
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I actually do use a hood on both of my lenses,
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and I concur with Colin on this one.
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-Yeah, I just wanted to throw that in there
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because of the mention of UV and the hood thing.
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So, yes, I use hoods on all my camera lenses.
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That's not just for safety, although, of course,
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it does provide some safety because, you know,
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camera goes face down on the ground
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that'll hit the hood first and not the lens element.
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But it also prevents, you know, glare and everything.
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It does what the lens hood is supposed to do.
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But if you're at the beach,
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one of the things you're trying to protect against
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against is water and grit and sand and who knows what else,
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jump, being thrown by crashing waves into the lens.
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And in that case, the lens hood is only gonna protect it
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if it comes from the side,
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but if it comes straight out the lens,
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that's when you need a clear helmet in the front.
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And we mentioned last time that sometimes they call those
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clear screw-on things that are not polarizing or anything,
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they're just supposed to be a clear piece of material.
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Sometimes they call those UV filters
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for filtering out ultraviolet light,
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which used to be much more important on film cameras
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because film is more sensitive to UV light, but apparently on cameras, on modern digital
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cameras most digital sensors or parts of the imaging system of digital cameras don't pick
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up UV anyway.
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There was an article I think we'll link in the show notes that has like graphs of the
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various sensors in various cameras showing what wavelengths of light they are sensitive
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to at all and a lot of them you see a hard cut off before you start going into UV.
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In particular my camera that I'm using, you know, you don't need a UV filter for it.
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So they still sell them as UV filters, and they still do filter out UV, but depending
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on your camera, especially if it's a modern digital one, it may not be particularly useful
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for protecting against UV, but it will protect against very small rocks.
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I'm actually very happy to hear the reports of the 2X crop on the iPhone 14 Pro actually
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having more sensor area to work with than the previous 2X cameras did, and presumably
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the 3X camera as well.
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We'll see, the reviews have all been pretty minimally
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discussing the 2X, but so far it seems like
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they might back this up.
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And I don't actually have a 14 per hit, none of us do yet.
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It's coming in a couple of days, but for next week's show
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I hope to have some kind of impression of this.
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Because the 2X camera and the 3X camera have always,
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as we talked about in the show,
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been so inferior optically to the 1X camera.
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And maybe this will help a little bit.
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The only thing is that it's not exactly a direct comparison
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because you're getting the reduced color resolution,
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if that makes sense, because you're taking
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those quad-bayer pixels and you're gonna have,
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the resulting pixels are gonna have
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a different bayer arrangement than they would've
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on a sensor dedicated just to that focal length.
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You're gonna have the four, the clusters of four
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of each color together and you'll be relying
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on the raw algorithms to demosaic that color-wise, I guess,
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and to interpret what the color should be,
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and they're gonna be lower resolution on that input data
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because of the clustering of those quad pixels.
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So it isn't exactly a direct comparison,
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but in practice, the sensors were so crappy
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on the 2X and 3X cameras before
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that this is probably gonna be an improvement anyway
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just 'cause it is getting larger pixels
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even though you have that issue of the reduced color detail.
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- Yeah, that's the math that Colin did
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because he didn't believe my mostly snarky comment
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about it still being better than the 2X.
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However, you do the math and the cropped sensor
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that they're using for the 2X is still bigger
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than any 2X or 3X sensor that Apple has shipped.
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- Satellite location sharing.
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If you're on an adventure, writes Apple,
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without cell service, you can now use Find My
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to share your location via satellite
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so friends and family know where you are.
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I feel like they mentioned this extremely briefly
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in the keynote and then blew right by it.
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- Yep, they did.
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- Well, so since satellite isn't,
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like this feature isn't shipping yet,
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I forget what the date it is, but we'll talk more
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about delayed dates in a little bit.
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But anyway, we won't be able to test this
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even when we get our phones.
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My question is, okay, so I understand the feature,
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but does it work by me having to pause in my hike
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every once in a while and do that thing
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where I point my phone at the satellite,
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or does it happen ambiently with my phone in my backpack?
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- I'm pretty sure you have to send it.
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And the one thing is, so this is,
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the way the emergency SOS via satellite feature
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was advertised in the keynote,
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and everything we know about it so far,
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it seems like it is, with this exception,
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only able to be used as a 911,
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to actually get emergency responder help.
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And so you wouldn't wanna use that
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if it's not really an emergency.
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If you just wanna send a message to somebody,
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it would be inappropriate to use that service to do it.
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But they said, outside of an emergency situation,
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you can still use the satellite service they're providing
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to send your location to people upon command,
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so periodically.
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So if you're out on a hike in the middle of nowhere,
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you can send your location once or twice a day
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or whatever it is to your spouse or whoever,
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your people at home.
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You can send it to them to say,
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hey look, I was on top of this mountain today.
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In case you need to know where I am,
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in case something happens,
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here's where I was a few hours ago or something like that.
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So you can do that.
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Now, I do wonder, are people gonna like
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devise meanings for things?
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Remember when you were growing up,
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being the nerd in the room,
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and you would need your parents
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to pick you up from somewhere,
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and you learned about collect calls,
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and so you'd go to the nearest pay phone,
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and you wouldn't put a quarter in.
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You'd call collect to your parents,
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and it would ask you for your name,
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and you'd be like, "Hey, Mom, can you pick me up now, bye?"
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And then your mom would get a phone call,
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"Would you like to accept a collect call
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"from, hey, Mom, can you pick me up now, bye?"
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- As if your reading glasses story
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didn't already make people think you're old.
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None of the kids have any idea what you're talking about.
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- Right, so in the absence of a proper communication channel
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that you wanted to use, you would fake this kind of
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sideband capability of this other channel
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that you could use.
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Well, I wonder, are you gonna devise a system with like,
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okay, well, if my location is on the north side
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of a little tiny hill, it means I want you
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to deliver me a pizza.
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If your location is on the east side,
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It means I just saw a funny looking animal.
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I wonder if people will do stuff like that.
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- Nobody's gonna know what a collect call is.
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And if I try to explain it now,
00:47:15
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you're just gonna cut it out, aren't you?
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- No, 'cause our listeners, somebody out there
00:47:19
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was like the head engineer who designed collect calls.
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- Yeah, we'll put a link in the show
00:47:25
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and still collect calls.
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It's not that interesting except to appreciate
00:47:28
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modern technology and how lucky you are
00:47:30
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to never have had to deal with this.
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And also, and I would say the really more visceral part
00:47:35
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dealing with collect calls and stuff like that, is the idea that as children we would
00:47:41
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all just be waiting at the school for our parents to pick us up with no way to communicate
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with them because we don't have a quarter for the phone and there's no one home to get
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our collect call because our parents are at work or on the road or whatever and we don't
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know their work number or if they're on the road we can't call them.
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And so you just sit there at the school and there'd just be a bunch of kids sitting out
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in front of the school just waiting, just waiting, half an hour, hour.
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Sometimes you think about it, I could probably walk home, how far is it?
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and you're like, "Ah, I'd walk along the highway,
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"that seems dangerous," so you just sit there waiting.
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And you assume your parents are gonna come
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pick you up at some point.
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That's an experience most kids don't have these days.
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These days, they wanna get picked up,
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and if you're not there immediately,
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something is wrong and they're nagging you
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via text or whatever, we just have to sit at the school
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and wait and assume someone will come and get us.
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- If you're not there immediately,
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