00:00:00 ◼ ► Is it only Sprite on those rare once-a-decade occasions that you treat yourself or is 7up acceptable?
00:00:20 ◼ ► So even though they look the same and people will say they taste kind of the same, you know
00:00:29 ◼ ► Oh good question that is garbage and maybe you could use it to clean something. I don't know Wow
00:00:42 ◼ ► It's like say we have a little chocolate if you can otherwise vanilla. Sometimes you want vanilla. Sometimes you want chocolate
00:00:48 ◼ ► I'm not I don't have strong feelings about drink a drink that I almost never drink like remember
00:00:56 ◼ ► well, here's the thing the only reason the only reason I'm known for this drink is because when I go out to a restaurant and
00:01:04 ◼ ► Either the thing comes with a drink or I don't want to just have water because we're doing everything fancy
00:01:15 ◼ ► Whatever makes you happy John. I used to have milk, but that's got too many calories and not good for your cholesterol
00:01:30 ◼ ► You listen to the milk episode of top four none of those none of those so-called milks are good
00:01:45 ◼ ► It's so it's so like slimy that it'll make the sticky stuff not stick. It's like an oily thing
00:02:03 ◼ ► I have a glass of water next to me on a different level than my computers. What else is new? I
00:02:07 ◼ ► Have I have a water bottle directly behind my keyboard in a glass full of ice that is prepared for later
00:02:18 ◼ ► And I have a giant 20 ounce bottle of house black cherry salsa sitting on my desk at the same level as most of my gear
00:02:25 ◼ ► Except for my MacBook Air because on top of a speaker which is running this entire operation through my LG 5k
00:02:30 ◼ ► Ultrafine monitor. Oh man, we're gonna get to that but let's not get there yet. All right, I
00:02:54 ◼ ► You sort of fixed it and what was it like 14 one something and then 14 three or whatever just came out
00:03:00 ◼ ► It was like no no, we fixed it for realsies this time literally an hour ago. She was not receiving group MMS's
00:03:05 ◼ ► I filed a feedback before you all get angry feedback FB eight eight nine three zero zero three
00:03:33 ◼ ► Because banging all of a sudden is a similar kind of like luxury fancy brand and in fact the appearance and construction is very similar
00:03:44 ◼ ► They even have a white model with the white pads and white strap and everything looks kind of air potty
00:03:48 ◼ ► So these are the BO play god. I really don't like I understand what they're going to be
00:03:59 ◼ ► $800 as you would imagine from bang and all of a sudden is like a little step up in terms of price from Apple because bang
00:04:04 ◼ ► All of a sudden is clearly a luxury brand. It doesn't have any pretense of being a real consumer brand. They're
00:04:13 ◼ ► But they do have metal on the open link in the show notes of these they come with the hard case and they are
00:04:19 ◼ ► Symmetrically folding but they do fold the ear cups into the negative space made by the headband
00:04:25 ◼ ► so they get smaller than the Apple ones and they come with a hard case two things that Apple chose not to do and or
00:04:31 ◼ ► Blew it on including depending on your stance on it and they come with a regular 3.5 inch 3.5
00:04:52 ◼ ► They also make a $300 one and a $500 one which drop various amounts of features from the $800 one
00:05:03 ◼ ► Pricing feature set and aesthetics they gets a bunch of things right that Apple's doesn't by the way
00:05:10 ◼ ► Giant dial so it even gets the physical controls right I believe that's a swiping thing
00:05:21 ◼ ► Which frankly I I've tried I've heard a bunch of people keep asking me about whether I've tried the H95s and and B&O
00:05:27 ◼ ► Made a wonderful wired headphone the h6 second gen was one of my favorite wired headphones ever
00:05:40 ◼ ► They were all garbage to me like and I couldn't believe that the company that made that amazing wired h6 second gen
00:05:47 ◼ ► Could then never follow it up with anything that sounded nearly as good as it in their wireless segment
00:06:04 ◼ ► I think they are by some tastes including mine. I think more attractive than than the AirPods max
00:06:31 ◼ ► Overpriced for what you get like that's their whole brand in fact if they weren't it would be damaging to their brand to be reasonably
00:06:47 ◼ ► That's why they had to get rid of it. It was damaging to their brand. Yeah, it was too. It was too good
00:06:56 ◼ ► I'm not sure I'm used to use but like the reason I bring them up is just because they look so much like the AirPods and
00:07:03 ◼ ► Don't know more experienced more more practically minded than Apple which sounds strange for a company
00:07:09 ◼ ► That is known for its impractical looking you know electronics having a compact folding headphone with a hard case
00:07:20 ◼ ► So I feel like Apple really needs to learn something if they want to play in this space
00:07:28 ◼ ► It's even okay to make a hard case and an adapter for airplanes. It's fine. It doesn't diminish your brand to do that
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00:09:36 ◼ ► The AirPods max button can cycle between three states one of which is off which is selectable in Bluetooth preferences
00:09:49 ◼ ► The digital crown button or so the the the other button there has been confusion about this Marco
00:09:56 ◼ ► We'll be able to clarify but here I'll lay out the confusion then you're you will give us
00:10:06 ◼ ► Battery life last time was like oh do you have to put them in that stupid case to make them to go to sleep?
00:10:11 ◼ ► If you don't do that, they'll be on all the time and we're like, but why would they be on all the time?
00:10:14 ◼ ► They have a million sensors. They can tell when you're wearing them. Wouldn't they go off?
00:10:17 ◼ ► Matt pans Reno said that they fall asleep. We read that in the last episode his tweet about that
00:10:24 ◼ ► Go to sleep or going through an off mode or other people like no it's gonna drain your battery, right?
00:10:27 ◼ ► so this was a twist on this as the reviews are coming out that the button on the top the one that normally toggles between
00:10:35 ◼ ► Noise cancelling there's a preference in Bluetooth settings and I think you can get to it through a control center as well
00:10:44 ◼ ► It would press it once and it goes to transparency precedent getting those noise cancelling press the third time and it goes to a setting
00:10:51 ◼ ► Well, I guess you don't have to use the case for that because it goes to a setting called off
00:10:58 ◼ ► All it means is that it's not transparency and not noise cancelling at least that's what we know so far
00:11:10 ◼ ► All that being said people are still freaking out about the idea that you can't turn them off
00:11:13 ◼ ► And so I mean, I'm not sure how long have you had these Marco a couple days a couple hours?
00:11:27 ◼ ► Don't worry because if you wore them all day long and played music really loud all day, they would still last all day
00:11:35 ◼ ► I would say that fairly definitively at this point if you get these and never want to use that stupid case
00:11:45 ◼ ► Maybe the batteries go off a cliff in two years and they get they start getting terrible battery life
00:11:48 ◼ ► You have to replace the battery. But anyway, there's that and then panzer chimed in again about this thing
00:11:53 ◼ ► This is a bonus tweets. There are several states. Obviously they pause right away then a few seconds later
00:11:58 ◼ ► They shut down the connection. They just they aren't just on forever when you take them off. All right real-time follow-up
00:12:05 ◼ ► That bug about SMS is not being received properly. I just got a like three hour late group MMS
00:12:16 ◼ ► So Marco last we heard our intrepid hero was about to make his walk of shame with his extremely large computer
00:12:25 ◼ ► What's going on with your setup? You've been talking about the LG 5k your favorite monitor of all time
00:12:36 ◼ ► Yeah, my I brought my iMac Pro into the Apple Store. I I brought it in my giant case on top of the dolly
00:12:54 ◼ ► It's the stores in limited operation because of quarantine and so they just had like a few Genius Bar stations
00:13:00 ◼ ► Spread across like the front right as you walk in after the whole rest of the store shut down
00:13:13 ◼ ► Oversaw was like hey, you know, but this might be some other kind of weird thing. Let's take it in
00:13:18 ◼ ► So they I don't know do they use the term admitted it like in a hospital like they whatever it is
00:13:26 ◼ ► And then have and then have called to say that it indeed failed some kind of firmware level
00:13:40 ◼ ► Parts for that are a little slow right now. It seems the logic board could be 14 days out. Holy smokes
00:13:48 ◼ ► So so here I am as my temporary solution, which I knew I would have to use this for a little while
00:13:58 ◼ ► We you know, we don't really do much for Christmas week. So I don't have like heavy computing needs
00:14:25 ◼ ► I'm only using the LG the air is closed and on top of a speaker over there with two cables plugged into it
00:14:43 ◼ ► It is one of the only screens that has ever existed and I believe the only one currently for sale
00:15:08 ◼ ► And then there's this one and that's that's it. All the piece people are like, oh just there's a million 27 inch monitors
00:15:21 ◼ ► And so it's a whole different world and that doesn't cover this and the DPI is wrong and screen
00:15:25 ◼ ► Elements would be all the wrong sizes and everything. So I'm not interested in any of those
00:15:28 ◼ ► Oh, can we let me just interrupt you real quick because I can hear the typing of this news
00:15:33 ◼ ► Saying to you what is wrong with you get one of the 97 inch curved displays or one of those god-awful things that I?
00:15:41 ◼ ► Don't want to speak for you Marco, but as a fellow old man, I probably can I don't want a curved display
00:15:52 ◼ ► Well, I mean I have my iMac me know in this hypothetical. I want something that's like my iMac that's nice and flat and
00:15:58 ◼ ► Rectangular and 5k now I could alternatively and this is what I did at my jobby job. I could get smaller
00:16:23 ◼ ► They are not for me do not want please do not write us because we know they exist we do not want well
00:16:35 ◼ ► They usually don't have the density to do that. But number two, this is very much not just your opinion
00:16:41 ◼ ► There's a range of DPI that monitors can have where think where screen elements on max will look
00:16:48 ◼ ► Like they're in roughly the right size range like how many pixels does it take to or like how many square inches?
00:17:43 ◼ ► There are some of those that exist but not a lot even of that and one of them is the LG ultrafine 4k
00:17:54 ◼ ► I haven't used this monitor full-time in in a number of years and I've forgotten like how
00:18:09 ◼ ► Talk about like typing on your keyboard and having your monitor wobble. This is way worse
00:18:22 ◼ ► Also, it has the you know, like most PC monitor mounts. It has a 360 degree rotating thing
00:18:45 ◼ ► like it's it feels like it's slightly off all the time and you can like move it slightly and it stays like it's it's
00:18:50 ◼ ► It's a crappy cheap stand and the monitor is wrapped in a crappy cheap enclosure with a crappy cheap backlight
00:19:02 ◼ ► You can see the bottom edge kind of glowing a little bit and it looks like gray instead of black
00:19:06 ◼ ► So yeah backlight leakage, but besides the stand the other major problem with this monitor is
00:19:12 ◼ ► That the USB ports that are on it. You basically can't use for anything that matters because they are unreliable
00:19:19 ◼ ► Extremely extremely unreliable and you can't use them for things like audio or keyboards
00:19:29 ◼ ► You can use it for that but that's about all you can do reliably on those on those USB ports
00:19:35 ◼ ► Have ordered the Cal digit Thunderbolt dock because it has by far seemingly the best reviews for Thunderbolt docks
00:19:46 ◼ ► It while that gets here, which isn't here yet. I'm relying on my USB C hubs that I have
00:19:54 ◼ ► I've never talked about because it's weird and boring and doesn't seem to exist anymore
00:19:57 ◼ ► and the other one is is like, you know, the one of those that everybody has for their laptops that has like the ethernet and the
00:20:08 ◼ ► Like I saw I have one of those and this other weird thing that has USB C upstream ports
00:20:12 ◼ ► But they're both unreliable in different ways and I at one point to get everything working
00:20:24 ◼ ► The second one didn't have enough power to to power USB devices off of it. So I had to use its
00:20:36 ◼ ► So now I have this big like square of power routing and I'm like this there's no way this is going to work
00:20:45 ◼ ► Noises and things not even just ground loops like weird other electrical noises in various things. I'm like, alright
00:20:51 ◼ ► I can't I can't be running an audio business and have all these all this noise everywhere
00:20:55 ◼ ► But anyway, this is a just an unreliable setup and what I ultimately want I am so far temporarily
00:21:12 ◼ ► But right now you can't get the new m1 Mac mini in any reasonable amount of time if you want 16 gigs of RAM
00:21:26 ◼ ► So so ultimately I think I am going to wait for an iMac or a higher spec Mac mini or a Mac Pro before I totally
00:21:41 ◼ ► I haven't ran into any major issues that have to do with like the laptop interfacing with this crappy display
00:21:54 ◼ ► and the only thing that I think is gonna fix that is if the Cal digit thunderbolt thing is
00:22:02 ◼ ► then I will plug the laptop directly into that and then plug everything else into that and
00:22:23 ◼ ► Was tempted instead of ordering the Cal digit thing on Amazon and having it take almost a week to get here because Island
00:22:37 ◼ ► Just set money on fire and just go to the damn Apple store and get the XDR and the Apple store also sells the Cal digit
00:22:45 ◼ ► So I was I was looking like hey what stores have this in stock tomorrow and what's the boat schedule that could possibly get me
00:22:52 ◼ ► there with enough time to get back before the last boat and I was looking into all this stuff and
00:23:13 ◼ ► Like I am an Apple commentator and a professional developer. I am 38 years old. God damn it
00:23:33 ◼ ► Why do I want something terrible and ugly and that that has all these problems if I can get something great
00:23:39 ◼ ► I love this glimpse inside your internal monologue that leads you to buy expensive things
00:23:43 ◼ ► This is the devil that's on all of our shoulders. It looks just like Marco and it sounds like that. Yeah, exactly
00:23:52 ◼ ► ultimately, like I basically like, you know made made a pro and con list between the XDR and the LG 5k and it's it's not as
00:24:12 ◼ ► I mean, you know the configuration I want would be six thousand dollars plus five hundred dollars for Apple care plus tax
00:24:43 ◼ ► Really dislike that it has a fan at all because for something that's that expensive that I would hope would be so long lasting
00:24:54 ◼ ► There also is like practical downsides. Like I couldn't do my one cable solution with that because
00:25:00 ◼ ► 6k takes up so much bandwidth over the thunderbolt 3 connection that there's not enough speed left
00:25:14 ◼ ► That's why the ports are not Thunderbolt their USB and they're in many configurations USB 2 speeds that a USB 3 speeds and
00:25:38 ◼ ► I have to keep plugging and unplugging every day as I take my laptop upstairs and then bring it back downstairs like so
00:26:03 ◼ ► Something bright in the middle of a bunch of dark and you have like a big halo blob around it
00:26:07 ◼ ► I to me that's incredibly inelegant. I don't like when TV started doing that. I don't like Apple doing it
00:26:14 ◼ ► I'm not looking forward to the rumored micro LED screens that are coming in their higher-end products
00:26:18 ◼ ► I guess next year or sometime because they that's probably the exact same thing. I don't like that to me. That's an elegant
00:26:28 ◼ ► Individually controlled and into and totally independent and totally consistent and uniform with every other pixel no matter what they are showing
00:26:45 ◼ ► Uniformity and elegance across the entire display panel and I don't have that with the XDR it comes close
00:27:05 ◼ ► You will never see like that's that does not manifest if I just told you all the backlights on 100% all the time
00:27:11 ◼ ► You would have to believe it because there's nothing you can see on the screen with your eyes without like an electric
00:27:16 ◼ ► Instrument to show the dynamic backlighting now if you put it in HDR mode and show a starfield
00:27:25 ◼ ► Maybe then you can pick it up, but even then you know, it's it's hard to say but for regular like desktop computer mode
00:27:31 ◼ ► Which is the only way you're gonna use it because you're not doing HDR video. You can't see any bloom
00:27:48 ◼ ► Electronic sophistication that causes that to happen, but I'm gonna say in practice in regular 500 and it I'm using my thing as a Mac mode
00:28:01 ◼ ► I don't think I even even in the so when you see the thing where people do like when they do reviews of dynamic backlight
00:28:06 ◼ ► Television sets and they do them in HDR mode to show this exact effect. Like hey, it's a black background with some white text
00:28:12 ◼ ► I'm going to show you the haloing even when they do that for televisions which exhibit this much more
00:28:17 ◼ ► They have to adjust the exposure on the camera because with the naked eye is actually a little bit tricky to see
00:28:28 ◼ ► I play destiny in HDR occasionally and I have some HDR videos that I watch but none of them really show off the haloing
00:28:33 ◼ ► But I'm absolutely sure I could see it if I give it the worst case scenario of a 100% white square moving across a black
00:28:43 ◼ ► Like there's black against white all over the place and I cannot see any bloom whatsoever. So yeah, it is
00:28:53 ◼ ► But I didn't worry about it for this monitor because it monitor levels. It just doesn't show up
00:28:58 ◼ ► All right. I that's that's good to know and that that will probably factor into whatever I decide to do
00:29:04 ◼ ► But I mean you and you'll find out when if these mini LED things come out like eventually you're just gonna get one no matter
00:29:10 ◼ ► What like but you won't have a choice right and then you'll see that it's like well for non HDR applications
00:29:18 ◼ ► Yeah, I hope so because I it's just it's so inelegant of a solution like it's just it's not yeah
00:29:26 ◼ ► So that's that's really what you want is individually little pixels with also high contrast, right? Right? Yeah, exactly
00:29:31 ◼ ► Yeah, so anyway, so I've decided based on my these concerns and these in elegances for me
00:29:50 ◼ ► Well through this Cal digit thing that's on the way and if it doesn't then I'll reevaluate and I'm I'm not excited at all about the LG
00:30:12 ◼ ► Then this will just be a temporary thing until I figure out what my nest what my next desktop will be
00:30:22 ◼ ► If the LG breaks or if something like if something goes wrong with it that I haven't hit yet in the last few days that I've been
00:30:31 ◼ ► Would not replace it like I can't bring myself as much as I have a hard time spending seven thousand dollars
00:30:48 ◼ ► You know, I understand that you're trying to stay within a seven thousand dollar budget and I'm happy to tell you that on Craigslist
00:30:57 ◼ ► Here in Richmond, you can get a 2011 Chevrolet Cruze at CarMax here in Richmond. You can get a 2012 Fiat 500 pop
00:31:06 ◼ ► There are all sorts of automobile options that you can. Oh, actually here's a seven thousand dollar 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee
00:31:12 ◼ ► I've always hit so far of all the cars you'd named but still rather have that monitor. Can you find a decent car? Yeah
00:31:16 ◼ ► All you can finally give you could finally get your dream car for six thousand nine hundred ninety five dollars in
00:31:25 ◼ ► 1997 Jeep Wrangler. Oh great. I bet that sounds reliable and comfortable. Mm-hmm. Totally elegant - yeah
00:31:33 ◼ ► You could drive on the beach remember? Yeah. Yeah with the permit. I don't have that. I will never get
00:31:48 ◼ ► I agree that in you know, truth be told I know that you don't particularly do the to monitor thing
00:31:58 ◼ ► LG if I remember correctly - LG 4k monitors that were like 22 inches something like that and
00:32:04 ◼ ► Truth be told like if you can get over the fact that you have two monitors on your desk
00:32:11 ◼ ► they were both retina for all intents and purposes and you know when you have two of them you get a
00:32:33 ◼ ► I mean the price difference is so vast like it is kind of funny to think that I could I could get like six of
00:32:40 ◼ ► Know you six times as much maybe you could daisy chain all the USB things together to get enough power
00:32:52 ◼ ► Alright, so one last piece of follow-up an anonymous Apple genius writes when taking a product into Apple to be serviced
00:32:57 ◼ ► Please just ask them to run in the full service diagnostic suite available to all Genius Bar technicians for this particular issue
00:33:04 ◼ ► We do have a cooling diagnostic that will assist with with determining the amount of spider eggs in the iMac Pro
00:33:14 ◼ ► I'm assuming full service diagnostics for the EFI which is what does that actually stand for? It's the BIOS, right?
00:33:27 ◼ ► I've forgotten right and then whatever the OS I presume that's like a software thing as we are technicians
00:33:32 ◼ ► We do rely on diagnostic tests to advise how we proceed and have troubleshooting guides made available by Apple engineering on personal note
00:33:39 ◼ ► I'm sorry for your previous experiences and that have caused you to audibly groan at the thought of having to come see us
00:33:44 ◼ ► but I can assure you there are a number of us who are fans and supporters of the tech media slash influencers in your audience and
00:33:58 ◼ ► Suggest that we do find it discouraging that the geniuses do find it discouraging to hear those we admire thinks a little of us
00:34:04 ◼ ► First of all real-time follow-up somebody added I think John it's extensible firmware interface. So thank you for that John second
00:34:14 ◼ ► But just about the fact they have to carry this stupid 27 inch computer on a boat to an Apple store
00:34:19 ◼ ► But correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, like for me like the reason why I don't like bringing in my my desktops for repair
00:34:25 ◼ ► Has almost nothing to do with the people I'm gonna be interacting with I've had almost entirely positive experiences there
00:34:39 ◼ ► then if I get it back and it's been you know wiped out because you know either because they
00:34:46 ◼ ► Restored it themselves or because they had to replace something that caused data loss like replacing the SSDs or their t2 or whatever
00:34:54 ◼ ► I assume then I assume that the t2 modules go with it and because of the encryption keys and everything
00:35:02 ◼ ► So that that's going to mean like not only did I have to bring it there which is an ordeal
00:35:23 ◼ ► So you have to do it which takes a lot of time and then all the things that didn't have like that stored things in
00:35:29 ◼ ► Ways that don't that don't doesn't restore properly or like whatever all that I have to deal with for the next weeks after that
00:35:47 ◼ ► buy things like the Mac Pro and the iMac Pro is that they tend to be pretty reliable over time and
00:35:56 ◼ ► another another part of the reason why I don't keep computers for like five six years usually is
00:36:05 ◼ ► So I don't have to deal with this because this I'm running businesses here. I can't afford tons of downtime and
00:36:25 ◼ ► I wanted to clarify a number of people have written in to tell me that they have some kind of you know business
00:36:31 ◼ ► service or Apple care service where they will send a technician to your house to pick up your desktop and take it away and service
00:36:53 ◼ ► I think that's where their service contract with Apple ends and I think that's that's when they say sorry. We can't serve your area
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00:38:10 ◼ ► Speaking of new toys in this case toys, you've actually bought tell me about your new fancy-pants headphones. Are they your favorites?
00:38:29 ◼ ► I don't want to spend so maybe I shouldn't ask you for details. Well, maybe not. So, alright, so here we are
00:38:46 ◼ ► But I can't tell you how they sound and I was comparing them all day listening to different music and comparing them to every pair of
00:39:04 ◼ ► Terms, I'm gonna be using a lot in this. I assume everyone's familiar with the concepts of bass and treble
00:39:11 ◼ ► The mid-range is what's between bass and treble if you ever played with the mid-range control or the middle part of an EQ
00:39:25 ◼ ► You know, it's vocals electric guitars some instruments like pianos kind of like live in that range
00:39:30 ◼ ► So that's what I'm talking about here. And then finally I'm gonna be talking about the soundstage
00:39:42 ◼ ► Or like how big of a room it sounds like you're in. So anyway moving on to the actual information here
00:39:54 ◼ ► My god the case it it's as bad as you think it's as awkward and clumsy to get them in and out as you think
00:40:03 ◼ ► It would not surprise me if a number of the people who buy these who aren't nerds and don't follow their reviews
00:40:16 ◼ ► They have like yeah, this pointy little seams and was made of that same cheap material. I had it. It was terrible
00:40:28 ◼ ► When it's in the case like they have a little notch cut out so you can see the lightning thing like through that little slot
00:40:34 ◼ ► The little slits that are at the bottom and explicable slits to allow scratches to get in
00:40:38 ◼ ► I don't know they made they made they didn't even line the slits up with the lightning thing
00:40:50 ◼ ► It's just shoddy all around just doesn't like ill-fitting like I was like an ill-fitting suit
00:40:55 ◼ ► Yeah, everything about the case is as bad as you think it might be. It's it's a shame. It really is because
00:41:01 ◼ ► It really puts a damper on this product in a pretty big way if it is indeed intended to be like
00:41:08 ◼ ► Traveled with in any capacity whether it's even even if it's just like, you know to and from work or something like it's just it's not
00:41:42 ◼ ► But they certainly are heavier than than most headphones that people be comparing them to things like the the common
00:41:51 ◼ ► Most portable headphones for like portable music walking around and in fashionable ways and fashionable cities for fashionable people
00:41:58 ◼ ► They're they're generally heavier than those but I didn't really notice the way as being a problem
00:42:12 ◼ ► Then I would like and part of that is just necessary because of the weight. I wish that was a little bit nicer
00:42:17 ◼ ► The ear cups themselves leave a lot of room for your ear like compared to other headphones in this category
00:42:30 ◼ ► The flagship headphones from the big brands that now have all these like nice kind of raindrop shaped ear cups compared to those
00:42:35 ◼ ► They're still small but compared to their category of like portable ish trendy looking headphones. They do have surprisingly deep and roomy ear cups
00:42:48 ◼ ► the Sony's and the Bose's that people will be comparing them to and that I will be in a minute the downside for the comfort for
00:43:13 ◼ ► Which is that it's a little bit heavier and that therefore causes a bit more clamping force on your head and the ear pads are
00:43:26 ◼ ► What makes super comfortable headphones super comfortable is like you can imagine the opposite you can imagine if like the ear pads
00:43:33 ◼ ► Formed little like triangle ridges that just ringed your ear with the thinnest thing possible
00:43:38 ◼ ► like a like a piece of cardboard that would like that would be uncomfortable because it would be
00:43:52 ◼ ► That kind of pad that puts a huge surface area against your head so it spreads the weight out
00:43:57 ◼ ► The air pods max are too close to the former that they don't have a wide enough ear pad rim
00:44:13 ◼ ► Covering material, you know on most headphones. It's either real or fake leather some kind of you know vinyl or you know
00:44:26 ◼ ► It's not particularly comfortable and I would not I would never describe it as luxurious
00:44:40 ◼ ► Luxurious at all and there are other competitors, you know bang and all of a sudden we mentioned earlier
00:44:45 ◼ ► And even the other noise cancelling with the Bose and Sony noise cancelling models have way nicer feeling ear pads
00:44:51 ◼ ► Than these and I think if Apple chooses to they could dramatically improve the comfort of the AirPods max
00:45:02 ◼ ► I do they're magnetic you pop them off in two seconds and put new ones on so they could actually
00:45:13 ◼ ► But they could and I think they should because that could dramatically improve comfort with a few design tweaks and maybe materials changes on the ear
00:45:29 ◼ ► Now this is kind of a divide in the headphone world whether you want to hear treble response and treble detail
00:45:36 ◼ ► Or whether you don't whether you want it to be like, you know, quote rolled off treble sounds crisp and and and sharp
00:45:46 ◼ ► The the rolled off reduced treble sound is very popular among high-end headphones because it sounds like warm
00:45:53 ◼ ► You know, it's a very, you know old radio voice warm here, but kind of not a lot of detail, you know
00:46:12 ◼ ► This is you know, if you're if you like bare dynamic headphones or hi-fi man headphones
00:46:17 ◼ ► This is for you. If you like the you know, Sennheiser or auto Z sound this is probably not for you
00:46:24 ◼ ► Fortunately, I'm in the trouble lovers group. I was gonna say I'm surprised you're you're going on about this because this sounds like it's made for
00:46:32 ◼ ► You then? Yeah, it's for me. It's great for almost any other headphone in this category
00:46:38 ◼ ► But if you've heard if you've heard headphones with good well done treble response like my beloved hd6
00:47:05 ◼ ► Imagine if you had a bass and treble dial imagine if you turned up the bass and the treble each a little bit
00:47:15 ◼ ► It makes it a little bit more live a little bit a little bit more fun sounding to most people
00:47:22 ◼ ► Because like if you imagine on the EQ like the the left is the bass and the right is the treble and they're boosted
00:47:53 ◼ ► Withdrawn by comparison that the vocals are kind of hard to hear over all the bass like, you know
00:48:01 ◼ ► Electric guitars are often, you know falling into the background because the bass is pushed so high
00:48:09 ◼ ► It is it is a little bit v-shaped a little bit fun a little bit boosting and treble and bass
00:48:14 ◼ ► But it's much closer to neutral than we usually get with that kind of boost and the mid-range does not feel
00:48:27 ◼ ► What converted me to a mid-range snob was planar headphones and you know the way headphones work
00:48:33 ◼ ► They have to move air somehow and very quickly. I don't waste too much time on this very quickly
00:48:38 ◼ ► They can move air by having this cone with a magnet that drives that forward and back which is how almost all headphones work
00:48:45 ◼ ► Those are called dynamic headphones speakers usually almost all work that way as well. You've seen these speaker shaped cones
00:48:49 ◼ ► It's in the volume icon. It's everywhere a different way that some high-end headphones work is called planar magnetic or
00:49:11 ◼ ► it induces motion with those magnets and and that's how they move and what that results in is
00:49:20 ◼ ► than the typical like cone dynamic driver that you see in most speakers and headphones and
00:49:31 ◼ ► Usually not only better bass response for reasons physics and stuff and such but also a more smooth frequency response
00:49:41 ◼ ► As dynamics just because again like the physics when you when you're moving less it's easier to better control how it moves
00:49:48 ◼ ► What this results in in practice for me when I've tried most these kinds of kinds of headphones planar magnetic headphones
00:50:20 ◼ ► and that's one of the reasons why so many of them are tuned to boost the everything else and
00:50:26 ◼ ► Withdraw the mid-range because they can't reproduce it well, and so they kind of bury that in bass and hope you don't notice I
00:50:33 ◼ ► Notice and I care and the mid-range is my favorite part because that's where all the guitars and vocals are and I'm a guitars and
00:50:56 ◼ ► All right, I feel like the lead singer of fish is Trey's guitar and that is solid mid-range music
00:51:19 ◼ ► but it is important listener that you understand that Marco has a very particular kind of music and his
00:51:25 ◼ ► preferences match with that kind of music as your friends has matched with your kinds of music and and
00:51:31 ◼ ► Indifferent or otherwise it's just I think when you said it was planar headphones that got you to love the mid-range and trouble
00:51:38 ◼ ► Oh, no, sir. It's fish that got you to love that. It's just a planar headphones match it
00:51:42 ◼ ► Well, and so for me like for example, and I don't have AirPods max. I haven't listened to them yet. I
00:51:47 ◼ ► Tend to like when I listen to music I tend to be drawn to music that had I think we've talked about this like a
00:51:54 ◼ ► I tend to be drawn to music that has a stronger like bass or rhythm section and drums than I am
00:52:04 ◼ ► And so for me the kind of boominess that Marco would not care for of course everything is limits
00:52:13 ◼ ► Part of a band more than Marco does and so none of this again Marco's not wrong by any stretch of the imagination
00:52:18 ◼ ► It's just if you're making a decision about whether to spend money on what is the $600 headphones?
00:52:23 ◼ ► Just consider that Marco's opinions are based on the someone who to his own admission really likes a particular kind of music and and
00:52:34 ◼ ► Right and and I try to test with a lot of different tracks like one of the like, you know
00:52:47 ◼ ► No one wants to know what's we minutes anyway, but like, you know, so like one of the bands I test with
00:52:52 ◼ ► For all iPhones I test is the Avid Brothers because not only are they one of my favorite bands
00:52:58 ◼ ► But also Avid Brothers their earlier stuff before they had like really fancy expensive producers
00:53:31 ◼ ► But they don't cross it if you're listening on good equipment and it sounds incredible to hear someone's voice
00:53:38 ◼ ► That's almost too harsh. But then just it's it's it walks right up to it and it just doesn't cross that line
00:53:51 ◼ ► Because they will reveal every flaw in mid-range reproduction at that a headphone can offer
00:54:42 ◼ ► pleasant sound that is a little bit aggressive in the bass and treble to make it sound a little bit more fun and
00:54:48 ◼ ► Honestly, that's probably not like a flaw. That's probably by design. That's what most people want
00:54:53 ◼ ► I'm very happy about the sound of these I spent a lot of time with open backed headphones because open back headphones
00:54:59 ◼ ► They leak sound like crazy in and out and so they're unsuitable whenever you're near anybody or any noise sources
00:55:17 ◼ ► But there again there are a few models of closed headphones that I've ever tried that are that are really good sounding in absolute terms
00:55:23 ◼ ► It's not just like reading on the closed headphone curve and the AirPods max are one of those they are
00:55:28 ◼ ► One of the best closed back headphones I've ever heard possibly even the best and they're one of the best
00:55:35 ◼ ► Dynamic headphones I've ever heard again possibly even the best so sound quality. I am extremely happy with them
00:55:50 ◼ ► Can you list those headphones by the way all the headphones that you tested against? I'll get there in one moment
00:56:03 ◼ ► I speculated that it was the same part as the watch John and I believe you said it was it must have been much bigger
00:56:13 ◼ ► Because of like where it is, you know and the fact that you're not looking at it as you're operating it
00:56:18 ◼ ► It actually feels a little too small still and it feels a little bit fiddly as a volume control and it's not actually
00:56:31 ◼ ► it's not great for that either because because it's a digital crown there's a lot of travel to push it in and
00:56:37 ◼ ► Way more travel than like the regular button that's next to it to control the noise cancellation modes
00:56:42 ◼ ► And it's actually because again because the digital crown it's a little bit difficult to click it in without accidentally
00:56:59 ◼ ► I would argue they should flip the roles of them that pushing in the digital crown should be the noise cancellation toggle and
00:57:14 ◼ ► Otherwise we covered earlier, you know, the ANC has the same, you know, three modes the transparency
00:57:32 ◼ ► Automatically when you put it on your head and it makes it take over the current audio playback route
00:57:41 ◼ ► One thing that I don't think you can turn off yet that I that I hope they add the ability to turn off is
00:57:46 ◼ ► The automatic pausing when you take it off your ear for whatever reason like, you know AirPods Pro
00:57:51 ◼ ► It makes more sense. You're like taking it out of your ear that kind of makes more sense
00:57:57 ◼ ► gotta like put my finger under the ear cups slightly to maybe itch my ear or something during a long recording and
00:58:05 ◼ ► Like if it's away from your ear at all even just like to you know, move a finger or maybe adjust your glasses or whatever
00:58:17 ◼ ► speaking of all these things you're talking about the buttons and all the different things that they perform is that I my assumption is that
00:58:24 ◼ ► programmable and in that if they change their mind about what the buttons want to do or even something as dramatic as you just said
00:58:29 ◼ ► I'll let's switch the the noise cancelling versus the crown button to do opposite functions that they could in theory do that because it's all software
00:58:40 ◼ ► Actually, we should have talked about a follow but we missed it and I'm not sure you know the answer to this
00:58:54 ◼ ► Like is there a wire essentially going from the left ear cup to the right ear cup or are they essentially two completely?
00:59:00 ◼ ► independent little computers because there are two little h1 chips in there that like on your air pods where there's no wire between them they just
00:59:07 ◼ ► Communicate with each other and coordinate to be a pair of headphones together for you or is there actually a wire connection between them?
00:59:13 ◼ ► Well, they have to be powered. So there has to be at least a power cable between the two
00:59:23 ◼ ► There is a power cable between them at least and I would I would guess like there there is probably a wired
00:59:31 ◼ ► coordination signal between them as well because otherwise actually there were almost certainly have to be because as I'm about to get to the
00:59:44 ◼ ► Like wireless is sending it across your head without introducing any latency anywhere that that would be that would be very difficult if not impossible
00:59:54 ◼ ► So yeah, it's it's almost certainly that they are wired together just you know through one of the sides of the headband
00:59:59 ◼ ► But anyway wired mode speaking of which yeah works great. Are you using them right now? Yeah, are you using it now?
01:00:06 ◼ ► No, because the comfort is just not good enough for me for long late or long listening like
01:00:11 ◼ ► But I could and that's the important thing if I was on a trip or something and I wanted to just bring you know
01:00:17 ◼ ► A small well a well traveling pair of headphones. Maybe this maybe these aren't the right ones because of their stupid case
01:00:24 ◼ ► But yeah, I could bring these if I wanted to and I could use the cable for that the cable like the the little you know
01:00:44 ◼ ► It's so bad that had I not ordered it directly from Apple. I would assume it was counterfeit. Oh
01:00:49 ◼ ► So because I'm pretty sure like I'm guessing that you know that this is only analog audio
01:00:56 ◼ ► So it's only three conductors. It doesn't even have it isn't even the TR RS with the remote pin
01:01:02 ◼ ► It's only TRS like the regular old three pin or three conductor cable without the remote control
01:01:10 ◼ ► Those three wires in there and it is that it is such a thin crappy feeling cable. It's also very short
01:01:22 ◼ ► It's probably fine for that or if you're plugging it into something in your pocket for some reason
01:01:30 ◼ ► But it is too short for desks or plugging into a microphone directly if you're yes for podcast monitoring. Yes, exactly
01:01:37 ◼ ► The cable does not have a microphone or remote on it. You have to use those things built in built into the headphones
01:01:43 ◼ ► It's also weird too that when you're using the cable mode the headphones still have an independent volume control on them
01:01:56 ◼ ► Separately from the device you're pulling it into if you want to which confused me at first
01:02:01 ◼ ► I thought they were broken because it was just super quiet and it took me a while to figure out
01:02:13 ◼ ► Just a quick thing. This is a very important thing to do when you're comparing audio quality or even comfort because
01:02:36 ◼ ► Immediately like try this now quickly switch try this and quickly switch back and try that try to listen to the same thing same segment
01:02:43 ◼ ► It's it trying to turn use any other way trying to like do any kind of testing by memory or by comparing frequency response graphs
01:02:49 ◼ ► Like it doesn't really work. Our brains are not good at that. You have to do it this way
01:02:54 ◼ ► So this is why I'm only gonna compare it to headphones that I actually had with me and tested today. Also people talk about
01:03:00 ◼ ► Break-in or breaking in speakers and headphones and this concept that they sound better over time as they break in
01:03:11 ◼ ► The headphones aren't breaking in your brain is breaking and your brain is getting accustomed to their sound profile
01:03:19 ◼ ► It might be doing a bit of correction and you know, it'll sound good to you. So that's fine. So anyway
01:03:26 ◼ ► And also note as I compared this to the Sony noise cancelling headphones that the current Sony model is the WH 1000 XM4
01:03:40 ◼ ► the main things they've changed between the two and the four are they switch to USB C and
01:03:45 ◼ ► They've changed some of the smart features and some of the available audio processing features
01:03:50 ◼ ► But there's not much else that's different between them as far as I can find as far as I can tell
01:03:57 ◼ ► Comparing them to full-sized wired headphones, which is not a fair comparison in many ways
01:04:02 ◼ ► But you know my my beloved hi-fi man hd6 my big flagship my favorite headphone of all time
01:04:18 ◼ ► Cost twice as much wired open backed requires ridiculous amps to supply enough power to it
01:04:29 ◼ ► But not as much better as I would have thought for all those all those trade-offs the hd6
01:04:35 ◼ ► Did you try the AirPods max with a wire for the audio as to try to compete to remove the Bluetooth factor?
01:04:42 ◼ ► I tried it both ways. I did some of the testing with the wire and some without honestly
01:04:48 ◼ ► Bluetooth as a codec and as a thing like audio files argue about this all the time about what it does to their sound quality
01:04:54 ◼ ► The reality is it's complicated. There's been multiple Bluetooth codecs over time multiple codecs that different devices support
01:05:05 ◼ ► It does indeed sound kind of crappy with with good enough headphones like you can you can hear the difference
01:05:16 ◼ ► Camps for a while use something called aptX which was like a higher-end codec Apple has always used AAC
01:05:23 ◼ ► So they're simply as far as I can tell they're still doing this simply encoding on AAC on the device
01:05:28 ◼ ► Sending it over the air as AAC and then decoding in the in the headphone. They've done that for a long time now
01:05:33 ◼ ► Whatever they're doing is at a high enough bitrate that it's pretty transparent. I cannot tell a difference
01:05:40 ◼ ► Compared it to my current closed headphone favorite the one I'm using right now the Dan Clark audio eon 2 closed
01:05:50 ◼ ► It's one of those teardrop shaped ear cup things a massive headphone huge comfortable pads
01:05:55 ◼ ► But it's also the eon 2 is tuned for one of those warm sound signatures with with relatively weak treble response
01:06:03 ◼ ► I actually I actually thought the sound from the max is more fun because it has that increased treble
01:06:17 ◼ ► Wonderful venerable headphones that I think case is probably wearing right now the bear dynamic DT 770 Pro
01:06:22 ◼ ► Mm-hmm the way they sound the tonal balance, you know treble bass everything that it's actually very similar to their pods max
01:07:01 ◼ ► I mean a bit better balanced version of the DT 770 so that it actually sounds significantly, you know
01:07:07 ◼ ► it sounds better but like if you if you you have to like try them back to back to really even notice
01:07:14 ◼ ► Most of the difference so it's basically a wireless DT 770 and I consider that a very good thing like three times the price, right?
01:07:23 ◼ ► But you know, it's wireless it has noise cancellation. Like I wouldn't want to travel with my 770s
01:07:27 ◼ ► I have but it's not fun because they're so big and bulky but certainly like for for you know at a desk
01:07:42 ◼ ► and I don't know if this is just the physics of you know, having these cups that sit over your ears that don't quite maybe seal as as
01:08:00 ◼ ► Part of the thing that is that is adjusting the noise on the way in like the shape of your ear
01:08:04 ◼ ► Actually changes sound on the way in and so over ear headphones where their microphones are outside of your ear
01:08:11 ◼ ► Don't have the benefit of knowing how your ear is going to shape the sound on the way in
01:08:21 ◼ ► And so they are getting some of that ear processing that your ear is doing on the sound
01:08:25 ◼ ► They're getting some of that on the way into their microphone. So they're able to have I think a better transparency mode as a result
01:08:36 ◼ ► Everybody everybody loves it all the reviews of saying wow transparency mode is amazing
01:08:44 ◼ ► So it's not like people who have never been in the Apple you with them and haven't tried the other Apple product
01:08:52 ◼ ► To talk to the Sony folks because what you want is your own personal head related transfer function
01:08:58 ◼ ► Yes, so that knows the shape of your ear is that because the AirPod max doesn't know the shape of you like
01:09:03 ◼ ► You know exactly like the actual sound landing on your head is hitting giant aluminum cups with pinholes
01:09:13 ◼ ► And so Apple probably has some sort of best guess standardized head related transfer function to try to make transparency sound
01:09:21 ◼ ► More or less normal, but the AirPods Pro have your literal actual ear there. Yeah, and and to be clear like the AirPods Pro
01:09:33 ◼ ► But the AirPods Pro is a little bit better like the transparency on the max. I was able to
01:09:44 ◼ ► And I I almost can never like notice artifacts of it whereas on the max. They're they're actually pretty clear
01:09:51 ◼ ► Like you you can't forget that you're using transparency mode on the max whereas in the Pro you can
01:10:01 ◼ ► Also compared to the Pro the max just sounds way better. You know it's much larger soundstage
01:10:11 ◼ ► The AirPods Pro sound very good for what they are but in this case physics wins and and the max sounds way way better
01:10:23 ◼ ► One of the most commonly recommended alternatives the Bose 700. This is the this is Bose's current flagship
01:10:33 ◼ ► Very similar overall size. It's a very similar bad folding where they only fold down. They don't fold in
01:10:39 ◼ ► But Bose has like a normal case and that is far more useful. You're gonna like throw it in travel bag or something
01:10:54 ◼ ► Just barely edging out the Sony's the Sony's are also excellent, but the Bose has a bit of an edge for me
01:11:11 ◼ ► It has useful voice prompts like when you connect the device the Bose says connect to two Marco's iPhone
01:11:33 ◼ ► Obviously they choose not to they choose to just like play tones instead and have you look at your phone for all this info
01:11:41 ◼ ► That's a very useful feature in practice when you're actually using these actually traveling the way that would manifest is is you'd hear this voice
01:12:03 ◼ ► Unfortunately, my Bose love fest ends when it comes to talking about the sound Bose has the worst sound in the group by a mile
01:12:15 ◼ ► Bose is the worst. I'm pretty sure Bose's audio engineers don't listen to any music with vocals
01:12:21 ◼ ► I don't know how they would possibly think that that sounds okay. It's terrible mid-range is the worst treble response is
01:12:37 ◼ ► Compared to the Sony's WH 1000 XM2 is the one I have very similar to the three and four
01:12:56 ◼ ► They could be a little roomier, but overall excellent comfort Sony has my favorite ear pads
01:13:00 ◼ ► Like just like how how like soft and pliable and how much they spread the weight. They just are awesome the Sony's
01:13:07 ◼ ► Today like before I at least before I got my AirPods Pro the Sony's were my headphones of choice while traveling
01:13:22 ◼ ► It's kind of it's a little bit too boomy on the bass a little more crunchiness in the mid-range and a little weak on the treble
01:13:39 ◼ ► I'm I'm really doing Neil Young a disservice here playing his music through this right now. Where's the Sony would know?
01:13:48 ◼ ► Whereas the Sony's are like okay? Yeah, I think I think Neil would be mildly okay with this whereas yeah the Bose
01:14:01 ◼ ► This is like a constant hiss that you hear and it sounds like it sounds like you're listening to the world through intercom
01:14:11 ◼ ► Very good overall a great all-arounder. I think if you need noise cancelling headphones
01:14:19 ◼ ► AirPods max premium, and you don't want AirPods Pro to serve that role just get the Sony's
01:14:25 ◼ ► There's a reason everyone recommends them. They they really are like great all-arounders
01:14:42 ◼ ► People who find the noise cancellation on Bose and Sony's a little bit oppressive or they could it feels like there's pressure in your ear
01:14:51 ◼ ► Obviously if the Bose one has an adjustable just adjustability for the noise cancelling maybe you can dial that down
01:15:02 ◼ ► It's hard. Yeah, so I am one of those people who has historically not liked noise cancellation that much
01:15:09 ◼ ► That was like with some of the older ones like the quiet comfort 35 - and stuff like that
01:15:22 ◼ ► And similar AirPods Pro I have found to be fantastic for noise cancellation because like it's not too much
01:15:30 ◼ ► It doesn't feel or sound unnatural to me same thing with the Sony the Bose. I don't keep it level 10
01:15:39 ◼ ► The AirPods max seem overall with noise cancellation. They they you know, this is hard to test because I'm not flying anywhere right now
01:15:48 ◼ ► So it's hard to test but I tested it like, you know tip was vacuuming in the other room
01:15:51 ◼ ► and so I kept switching between all these headphones like the vacuums going and I like played a podcast out of a speaker also nearby to
01:16:14 ◼ ► But as for like the the unnatural feeling in my again limited testing so far it seemed fine
01:16:21 ◼ ► I think if you're okay with the way the AirPods Pro do it, you'll be okay with the way these do it
01:16:36 ◼ ► Really? Enjoy listening to music on the max at a desk and and if I walked around listening to music
01:16:43 ◼ ► Which I don't I walk around listen to podcasts, but if I wasn't listening to music, you know, maybe but at a desk
01:16:53 ◼ ► desktop headphone amp and get rid of the wire and just have wireless headphones that I listen to like or if I if I like
01:16:59 ◼ ► Was going to an office and I wanted something for the office that and I didn't want like a big setup there
01:17:09 ◼ ► When I'm listening to them and they feel great, but every time I would listen for a while and then take it off
01:17:14 ◼ ► It would be kind of a relief that it was off my head and that's not good. It's the comfort is not good enough
01:17:23 ◼ ► Ideally if you're gonna have headphones at a desk, you're probably gonna be there a while and
01:17:29 ◼ ► If in that case you probably want something that has better long-term comfort, you know
01:17:38 ◼ ► For that use and I think there's a reason why so many tech people probably many of you listening to this right now
01:17:55 ◼ ► Which I've never been a fan of using it that often but many people do the Sony's are probably the way we would go for
01:18:00 ◼ ► That as well because again, they just they are better for long wearing comfort if the AirPods Max had better
01:18:06 ◼ ► Earpads and and a little bit better maybe a little bit lighter weight a little better ear pads
01:18:15 ◼ ► wasn't one of the rumors about the AirPods Max is that the production of it was delayed a little bit because
01:18:22 ◼ ► They were the the headband was a little bit too tight and they needed to loosen it up as a manufacturing sort of adjustment
01:18:30 ◼ ► I mean, I don't know and it's hard to know whether any of that any of those rumors hold any water
01:18:35 ◼ ► So it doesn't seem like that it is a rumor is a reaction to people trying them and thinking they're a little uncomfortable
01:18:40 ◼ ► It was like before anyone had even touched them. That was a rumor. So it makes me wonder if there was
01:18:44 ◼ ► Some sort of comfort adjustment stuff going on what I really like to hear is the explanation of the case
01:18:54 ◼ ► They're they're a good option for sound quality and for the integration with the OS and everything
01:19:01 ◼ ► While I'm walking around I'm gonna pick AirPods Pro every time they're they're pocketable
01:19:13 ◼ ► I wouldn't even I don't think I'd even want to wear the max is like on a zoom call or something because I would it would
01:19:17 ◼ ► Just feel conspicuous to me AirPods Pro also for walking having the better transparency mode matters to me
01:19:23 ◼ ► I'm always using transparency with them while walking and the pro are also, you know less sweaty in the summer
01:19:32 ◼ ► The AirPods Pro are great for walking and I don't think the max is gonna change that for almost anybody
01:19:39 ◼ ► What would I use? Guess what? I'd use the AirPods Pro still because sound quality matters far less
01:19:53 ◼ ► so the max having this amazing sound quality that doesn't matter so much on a plane and
01:19:58 ◼ ► All the maxes big disadvantages like the long wearing comfort the terrible case. Those are the highest priorities on planes
01:20:07 ◼ ► Feel like the the case situation and the comfort situation on the max really cost it that market pretty big time
01:20:13 ◼ ► And so I would not pick it on a plane. I would continue bringing my two pairs of AirPods Pro
01:20:22 ◼ ► Here there you would not use them anywhere. Does that mean getting a pair of blue headphones?
01:20:27 ◼ ► I don't know. I don't know if she likes them yet. We didn't have time for her to tell some today yet, but
01:20:33 ◼ ► I really want so badly to like these because I love the way they sound I really very much enjoy their sound
01:20:44 ◼ ► So I as for like whether I'm keeping it or returning it or I the answer is I don't know yet
01:21:13 ◼ ► But the comfort has me concerned enough that I think I don't I wouldn't give it a high chance
01:21:21 ◼ ► Who should be buying these like what do you think the air pods max are best suited for? Well, ultimately, I think
01:21:29 ◼ ► Try them and if they're comfortable on you great like, you know headphone comfort varies because people are different
01:21:36 ◼ ► We have different shaped heads. We have different shaped ears. We have different preferences. We have like it
01:21:41 ◼ ► Some people are gonna probably find them comfortable enough. Some people aren't comfort is going to be the biggest
01:21:58 ◼ ► I wish I could wear them more often. But but ultimately the comfort is is a pretty big problem for me, but I
01:22:14 ◼ ► Potential warning in mind that the comfort might not work for you or it might and see if it works for you
01:22:18 ◼ ► And if it works for you good, you know more power to you. It sounds like the target market is someone who values audio quality
01:22:25 ◼ ► So all right away you're willing to spend more money, even though these are only you know
01:22:32 ◼ ► Maybe doesn't like things in your ears, which I don't like so that that rules out the the air pods Pro, right?
01:22:38 ◼ ► And so that's you know, like if you if you're in that realm and you're like, well, I'm not super bargain-conscious
01:22:46 ◼ ► I do like the sort of wireless experience and I want him to sound really good because the only ones that of the tet phones
01:22:52 ◼ ► That you listed that you said you like the sound of better are the way more expensive open backed which is totally different category
01:23:03 ◼ ► And and you mostly rules out travelers because of all the travel issues or whatever. So
01:23:07 ◼ ► Yeah, so I mean like the thing I was afraid of with these headphones is that everything we had previously surmised about them would be
01:23:13 ◼ ► True and the sound quality would just be like meh, right? But it sounds like the sound quality is better than meh
01:23:24 ◼ ► Is got his green eggs and ham thing going on because he's got too many other headphones
01:23:30 ◼ ► But most people don't already have like their three favorite headphones for different contexts like Marco, you know
01:23:35 ◼ ► He's got the AirPods Pro for walking the dog and for being away from his desk and also on a plane which is weird
01:23:48 ◼ ► But if you have zero over your headphones or you have just let's say you'd have just the Bose ones for an airplane
01:23:54 ◼ ► These sound like again if you're willing to spend tons of money for something that sounds good
01:23:59 ◼ ► The role in your life where I want to listen to music on headphones without disturbing people and I want that music to sound really
01:24:06 ◼ ► Yeah, basically, but only if the comfort works for you and only if the price works for you
01:24:13 ◼ ► I mean the comfort I think is also part of the context of comfort is how long do you expect to be wearing them if you're
01:24:18 ◼ ► Going to be you know in the olden times at your desk all day long in a stupid open office where you have to wear
01:24:25 ◼ ► But if you're just gonna wear them, you know to listen to some tunes while you fiddle on your computer for 45 minutes
01:24:37 ◼ ► They start weighing on you right and the magnetically attachable headphones thing that makes me. I mean, it's probably gonna be expensive but
01:24:45 ◼ ► Surely they'll be knockoff third-party something or other earpieces because that's as I found out when I'm looking for earpieces for my DT
01:24:54 ◼ ► Ear things for headphones and this sounds like a goldmine because you can just make some knockoff ones that sort of kind of fit in
01:25:00 ◼ ► There with the magnets and charge everybody ridiculous amount for them. Someone's gonna you know, buy the leatherette or plush velvet
01:25:06 ◼ ► replacement ear cups and and the good thing about them is they'll be way easier to replace than your average headphone you got to do
01:25:12 ◼ ► That stupid thing with the little flange rim and you're trying to carefully put it up like yeah
01:25:20 ◼ ► But these are super easy just yank these things off and throw the ones on and if it turns out that that is your main
01:25:25 ◼ ► Comfort issue scratchy fabric or and that doesn't distribute the weight and you get a pad that is a nice fabric or leather
01:25:31 ◼ ► That has a bigger contact patch and tire parlance. Maybe that solves the comfort problem for you
01:25:41 ◼ ► Like I hope there is some kind of ecosystem for third-party ones, but I don't know that there will be
01:25:50 ◼ ► There's at least one brand that we keep hearing about our friends recommending for the AirPod pros. What are those the foam?
01:25:56 ◼ ► AirPod pro tips. Yeah, I know what you're thinking of. I can't remember what they're called
01:26:02 ◼ ► I I'm impressed in so many ways by parts of this product and other parts just seems so bizarrely
01:26:10 ◼ ► The thing I was thinking about when in between these two shows when we talked about this like is that I was thinking about the fact
01:26:15 ◼ ► That we spent an entire previous episode talking about a product that none of us had and then people like oh
01:26:22 ◼ ► You'll experience this if you ever work for any company that releases anything to the public or in general and it puts anything out to
01:26:29 ◼ ► When you're working on a thing whether it's a software product or a real-world physical product or whatever it is
01:26:40 ◼ ► You're doing your best you can you're trying to make it the best you can within the time and the budget and
01:26:48 ◼ ► But you're only 10 people 20 people 100 people however many people you are and you have weird like weirdly aligned
01:26:59 ◼ ► Developer if you're a product marketer, you're looking at it from your perspective within the context of the people making this thing
01:27:10 ◼ ► You know the reason the wisdom of crowds is like we make fun of that saying but the reason it's a saying is because
01:27:19 ◼ ► for out of the 2 billion people that see it if you're Apple because you know, you put out something everybody sees it a
01:27:28 ◼ ► Well here here are some three obvious problems or you think that case is terrible. The things should fold tighter your competitors fold tighter
01:27:34 ◼ ► Why doesn't it come with a cable like how many people you have you heard us say it last week?
01:27:39 ◼ ► How many other places did you see that you saw it on Twitter? You saw it on every tech website?
01:27:42 ◼ ► so every review right how is it that Apple developed this product in-house for months or years and
01:27:56 ◼ ► Don't even have it. We just look at it and you can look at it with your eyes and go. Oh, no
01:28:00 ◼ ► What's going on with that case because you can look at it and like we did last show say
01:28:07 ◼ ► Here's how that thing looks like it works and I can imagine it has problems and the old people get them and they all say
01:28:12 ◼ ► That and you might think oh Apple so dumb don't they know the thing that everyone else immediately realizes that's wrong with their product
01:28:21 ◼ ► The answer is sometimes no like you're you're just so you have such a different perspective on it when you're making it
01:28:37 ◼ ► And the wisdom of crowds is as soon as you put your product out into the real world if there's some stupid thing about it
01:28:46 ◼ ► Obviously the better you are at the fewer of those that you have and it's great when you nail it all in the first try
01:28:54 ◼ ► So, you know, we look at this headphone and we go like Apple before we even release that I'm let you finish
01:29:03 ◼ ► Maybe wait and revise like maybe include a hard case maybe include that cable maybe ditch whatever that case thing is or whatever, right?
01:29:18 ◼ ► How many things did they get right how many sort of unforced errors did they make and it sounds like these headphones?
01:29:34 ◼ ► Adjusting it so that it essentially sounds to Marco like it is a nice v-shape to EQ of you know
01:29:42 ◼ ► They probably spent so much time in that because they're like, this is our number one priority and maybe we spent less time in the case
01:29:47 ◼ ► Right, maybe they didn't think too much about that or maybe there was some other thing that was you know
01:29:53 ◼ ► Even though these flaws are obvious to us that like when you're working on you're like, but we did so good on the sound
01:30:01 ◼ ► If the whole world looks at your product and can immediately see a couple of big problems
01:30:20 ◼ ► Come up with a rev to a rev three of these like all the other products you just described like the Sony's have changed a little
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01:32:42 ◼ ► Uninstalled Chrome all your problems would go away part part of the magic of this program is that very often?
01:32:51 ◼ ► And if you just leave it there long enough without getting to it because you're talking about other things
01:32:55 ◼ ► The story develops and sometimes even almost resolves itself on its own and here I think this topic
01:33:05 ◼ ► Immediately because I think now we have more information than we did before kind of like if you just don't answer email
01:33:27 ◼ ► They did their firmware diagnostic and found that it's not software related and something is wrong with the logic board apparently with controlling its thermals
01:33:36 ◼ ► It is might have actually been the problem with my 16 inch back I did like a full OS restore
01:33:49 ◼ ► Lauren reports the his 2015 or his wife's 2015 computer having of like just everything slow like slow
01:33:56 ◼ ► keystrokes even like I was having bizarre problems on that and I could not figure out why and
01:34:03 ◼ ► Unfortunately, I can't test this theory on that because I already got tired of it blew it away
01:34:11 ◼ ► It was I've never had to do that on a Mac before or since like to solve a problem like that in that way
01:34:17 ◼ ► You you mentioned Lauren what we're talking about here for people who haven't already been following this story is Lauren brick
01:34:31 ◼ ► And he turns out that uninstalling Chrome and all the crap that Google uses to control and update Chrome
01:34:38 ◼ ► Solved his problem. He made a website Chrome is bad calm Chrome is bad is all one word where he describes his problem
01:34:45 ◼ ► he describes how to implement the solution and has a bunch of testimonials from other people had similar problems and
01:34:53 ◼ ► Discussing it many people saying I went to your website. I'm having similar problems. My computer seems slow the fans run all the time
01:35:03 ◼ ► I installed the Keystone updated that Google installs that that updates Chrome behind the scenes and it solved my problem
01:35:09 ◼ ► Right and then other people are like, okay sure but like what actually is the problem, right?
01:35:37 ◼ ► This is revealing sort of the dark matter of computer dissatisfaction where people have max right and the max are
01:35:47 ◼ ► Unsatisfactory in some way they always run hot the fan is always going they always seem slow like they just they're just unsatisfying in a way
01:35:56 ◼ ► Often and it's in a way that's a difference from a change. It's like when the doctor asked you have you seen any change in?
01:36:00 ◼ ► Your you know in your health like recently they just want to like is it different than it used to be?
01:36:04 ◼ ► Right that the people don't expect it to be like this like Marco said maybe typing is slow and you're like typing is slow
01:36:14 ◼ ► You're like, I don't feel like I'm doing anything that's making the fans go and maybe that's a change from previous behavior, right?
01:36:20 ◼ ► So there's there's this dissatisfaction, right? And then that someone comes along and says I
01:36:27 ◼ ► In that they here is my vaguely expressed dissatisfaction my computer seems slow fans running all the time, right?
01:36:34 ◼ ► Here's what I did and it's like install uninstall some third-party program that bunch people already don't like for various reasons
01:36:43 ◼ ► The final step of this cleansing is to reboot your computer and if you do all these steps
01:36:51 ◼ ► Your typing is fast and responsive. Everything is snappy and then a bunch of people follow those steps and write in say hey
01:36:58 ◼ ► For you know for the people who did that great like they presumably solved whatever problem
01:37:04 ◼ ► They were having by doing this thing right now. Maybe three days later the problem came back
01:37:09 ◼ ► We probably don't hear about it then but right but at least there was some positive thing
01:37:19 ◼ ► What was the actual solution I can tell you now that sometimes when your computer gets into a weird state as we all know
01:37:27 ◼ ► especially if you have your Mac configured not to relaunch all the programs that you were previously running rebooting to the finder with no apps running and
01:37:33 ◼ ► No swapping use right Wow. Everything is like the fans are low and everything feels snappy
01:37:41 ◼ ► Maybe after a week when you relaunch all your programs and compile everything and get four gigs into swap
01:37:46 ◼ ► maybe you're you know, it starts feeling slow again, right we don't know we want to look for is what is the cause and
01:37:57 ◼ ► It's like okay, but what was the actual problem that I can tell you from personal experience one chrome related problem
01:38:02 ◼ ► I see a lot is guess what? You've got a million chrome windows not a mic even or my wife's computer
01:38:11 ◼ ► None of those windows are showing Facebook in any form or a page with crazy ads that go nuts
01:38:18 ◼ ► like you know in the middle of the night some tab in some background window a background tab and a background chrome window has some
01:38:27 ◼ ► Who knows what the hell is doing but it's it's always and chrome itself has like a task manager
01:38:34 ◼ ► Which I feel like if you know which tabs are being no you like to spend them and there's a chrome extension that will do
01:38:38 ◼ ► That for you and suspend all your background tabs. But anyway, I'll go there. I'll do that
01:38:43 ◼ ► I'll find the three Facebook tags that are for whatever reason are freaking out because some ad running in the sidebar is Bitcoin mining and
01:38:58 ◼ ► Or if you simply don't run Chrome you will never have an open Chrome tab with a crazy Bitcoin mining ad
01:39:04 ◼ ► Right or just some web page that goes nuts and starts just grinding your CPU forever and that will make your fans spin up and so
01:39:14 ◼ ► Safari is way nicer to your battery is way better on your CPU if you're if you care about that at all
01:39:20 ◼ ► Do not use Chrome especially of a laptop and battery use Safari it is better on your battery than Chrome
01:39:25 ◼ ► The other thing is this keystone thing that updates Chrome in the background for you. Some people say look, I'm not even running Chrome
01:39:36 ◼ ► Everything got better and one of the culprits they they label is the the Windows Server
01:39:46 ◼ ► It would be using a huge amount of CPU and they're like I uninstalled Chrome and keystone and Windows Server CPU usage went down
01:39:53 ◼ ► Lots of people say that lots of people say that my computer was running hot. I'm not doing anything
01:39:58 ◼ ► I open up activity monitor and I see Windows Server taking 100% CPU. I install Chrome and it solved that problem
01:40:13 ◼ ► And there's one theory and this unfortunately is still on Chrome is bad.com. I think let me just double check
01:40:17 ◼ ► Yeah, something called keystone this is the top of the site which bizarrely hides what it's doing from activity monitor
01:40:32 ◼ ► Correct. The keystone updater process itself doesn't hide from activity monitor. It briefly shows up and disappears on schedule
01:40:39 ◼ ► It is causing something else in the system you to consume massive CPU that leaves no indication that Chrome and keystone are in fact
01:40:43 ◼ ► The culprits. All right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, that's an interesting theory, but you kind of have to say but how does it do that?
01:40:50 ◼ ► How does a program that runs briefly and when it runs it does not hide from activity monitor runs it appears and then it
01:40:58 ◼ ► How does the act of running and then not running at all cause Windows Server forevermore to flip out?
01:41:06 ◼ ► Sure trigger bug in the OS call some private API that makes Windows Server freak out and go into an infinite loop could happen
01:41:16 ◼ ► There are many counterexamples as in everyone else who's running Chrome where key server the keystone thing runs periodically on its own
01:41:23 ◼ ► And it doesn't make their Windows Server freak out. I run Chrome 24 hours a day seven days a week on my computer
01:41:28 ◼ ► Keystone presumably is running in the background. My Windows Server never freaks out doesn't mean this bug doesn't exist
01:41:34 ◼ ► Just means I'm not experiencing it. So the people who are experiencing it are, you know getting this bug. They're getting unlucky
01:41:50 ◼ ► done weird things behind the scenes like archiving previous versions of itself and keeping state around about how many different versions it is updated from
01:41:58 ◼ ► Or would fill your disk with old versions of Chrome or get its database of what versions it's dealt with corrupted and flip out about that
01:42:05 ◼ ► So I don't find it entirely inconceivable that the Chrome updater and all of its bookkeeping
01:42:14 ◼ ► Itself does bad things or spins for a while or fruitlessly tries to get an update that is never gonna be able to get
01:42:24 ◼ ► One thing related someone installed another chromium based browser. I think it was that was brave
01:42:41 ◼ ► The default like new tab page and brave was redrawing itself like as fast as it possibly could over and over and over again
01:42:46 ◼ ► Which was basically asking Windows Server. Hey composite this buffer. Hey composite this buffer
01:42:57 ◼ ► Something is asking the Windows Server to composite buffers or do some screen related window compositing thing
01:43:04 ◼ ► Over and over and over again, and if you're looking at your screen you're like, but nothing's happening
01:43:08 ◼ ► It's possible that some program somewhere maybe even something that's not even visible is
01:43:13 ◼ ► Flipping out and doing something wrong. That's calling causing the Windows Server CPU to increase right? So
01:43:19 ◼ ► Unfortunately, maybe we didn't wait long enough. This is not a particularly we don't have a conclusion. No one knows what the actual problem is
01:43:28 ◼ ► We do know that if you follow a bunch of these steps that can make your computer feel better
01:43:33 ◼ ► So can just rebooting so can just quitting all of your programs so can logging out and logging back in
01:43:38 ◼ ► Right so can just not using Chrome and using Safari instead because Chrome in general is more of a CPU hog
01:43:43 ◼ ► Right, but none of that is satisfying like we people want it there to be a culprit. It's because I had a problem
01:43:52 ◼ ► Exactly correlate to fixing the problem. Maybe they do but with computers and with programmers you kind of know
01:44:07 ◼ ► If there really is a problem of Chrome, it should be the Chrome's team's job to figure it out
01:44:11 ◼ ► Right and there have been bugs in Chrome many many times there's bugs in all sorts of programs
01:44:33 ◼ ► Things freak out that are part of the operating system or third-party software drivers or a flaky USB device
01:44:39 ◼ ► Like computers are really complicated. So I am immediately suspicious of anyone pinning blame on any one particular thing
01:44:49 ◼ ► It's not the responsibility to tell me but if you're gonna conclusively say Chrome is the problem uninstall Chrome and it will fix your computer
01:44:57 ◼ ► Don't know like I'm not here to carry water for Chrome even though I use all the time and I like it but I
01:45:09 ◼ ► The most satisfying ones are the ones where your computer is doing something weird and someone eventually figures out what the problem is
01:45:27 ◼ ► There is a very cleanly specified solution, but there is no explanation for why it worked other than that those steps
01:45:35 ◼ ► I took they must have stopped something from doing something that was bad. I know there's a lot of people swear
01:45:48 ◼ ► Keystone is nefarious and doing something there, but you can't even jump to therefore Keystone has a bug
01:45:53 ◼ ► We don't even know if you submit for all we know the Windows Server has a bug triggered by Keystone doing perfectly normal things
01:46:01 ◼ ► Yeah, I mean that that explanation wouldn't surprise me in the least because I have like I haven't used Big Sur
01:46:10 ◼ ► For enough time to know if this is still true on Big Sur, but for Catalina, I have never
01:46:30 ◼ ► Oftentimes, you know correlating to background demons just going nuts for no apparent reason
01:46:39 ◼ ► like all the high CPU usage and the the handful of Catalina background demons that were
01:46:43 ◼ ► Seemingly consuming all these things for no reason and one of them was Dropbox. So everyone's like, oh, yeah Dropbox
01:46:53 ◼ ► System processes were still like spinning 100 CPU each and so I eventually rebooted and of course the problem went away and this is like
01:46:59 ◼ ► It doesn't matter. I don't know whose fault this is. I don't know as you were saying John
01:47:07 ◼ ► The a certain way that certain apps I have installed like whether it's Dropbox or Chrome or whatever a certain way that they trigger
01:47:15 ◼ ► bugs in the OS I don't know but it is a real problem and these solutions do often fix it and
01:47:24 ◼ ► It's like well look you guys figure this out like Apple Dropbox Chrome, whoever you are figure it out amongst yourselves
01:47:31 ◼ ► This is your fault in some way, but it becomes my problem as a user and I have to take measures to deal with it
01:47:41 ◼ ► But it does seem like there is a real problem here that many people face that is solved by removing Chrome
01:47:50 ◼ ► They potentially solved by a million things including the rebooting which is the final step like so we don't even know if it's just one thing
01:47:57 ◼ ► Like like you said if it's if it's an OS level problem like there's a little bit of the doctor at Hertzman
01:48:04 ◼ ► When I use my computer occasionally background demons freak out and cause high CPU load
01:48:12 ◼ ► Like, you know, it's like if you think it's some piece of third-party software and you stop using that software
01:48:17 ◼ ► But then it happens again. What do you do? I'll just stop using my computer. I'll just stop using finder
01:48:23 ◼ ► When there are OS level bugs, especially if those OS level bugs are triggered by completely valid normal non-nefarious
01:48:32 ◼ ► Application you run can potentially trigger that bug whether it's discovery D freaking out and not looking up names or whatever
01:48:41 ◼ ► Essentially no matter what if there's just one program trigger and Chrome triggers it but like brave or edge don't or Safari doesn't then
01:48:48 ◼ ► Yeah, you solve your problem by saying it hurts when I do this. Okay. Well don't do that
01:48:52 ◼ ► But you still don't know what the actual problem is the thing about like Dropbox and stuff is it's somewhat satisfying to at least have
01:49:01 ◼ ► Dropbox to know when things happen on disk has to monitor changes in the Dropbox folder and there are a bunch of API's for
01:49:08 ◼ ► Doing that but one of them is essentially to drink from the FS events fire hose, which is just like look
01:49:21 ◼ ► And doing that is expensive because you do something that does a lot to the file system say expanding Xcode
01:49:30 ◼ ► Every single one of those bazillion files is firing off an FS event and Dropbox is there running and saying oh my god
01:49:41 ◼ ► and so when you're running Dropbox and you're expanding Xcode and you see your CPU usage going up and
01:49:54 ◼ ► theory of what's happening because you can run s trace on Dropbox when you're expanding Xcode and watch it calling the FS events like
01:50:04 ◼ ► My computer does weird things and I can't figure out why it can be so many things and that's why these sort of
01:50:09 ◼ ► The anecdotes of I followed your instructions and it made it better is very much like I mean you can make up any instruction stand
01:50:15 ◼ ► On one foot touch your nose and reboot your computer. It's like oh everything got better
01:50:18 ◼ ► Yeah, rebooting your computer fixes a lot of problems. It's not on it's not very satisfying
01:50:25 ◼ ► But if I tell you do anything before you reboot or let's say you don't reboot just quitting programs solves lots of problems because if you
01:50:30 ◼ ► Quit the program that was causing a problem or that one program was using a lot of memory it put you it pushed you into
01:50:34 ◼ ► Swap and that was your problem everything got slow because it's swapping right even though you have an SSD
01:50:41 ◼ ► Like people aren't equipped and shouldn't be have to be equipped to diagnose their computer anymore
01:50:51 ◼ ► And that's why you take your car to someone who knows or you hope like Apple or the developers figure out how to make it
01:51:01 ◼ ► Try this one weird trick to fix your computer the chances of that one weird trick being the solution to everyone's problem
01:51:09 ◼ ► Literally doing anything to your computer to perturb what you were doing before doctor hurts when I do this stop doing that
01:51:33 ◼ ► Able to figure out what's going on, right? Like Apple figured out. Hey discovery D not so good
01:51:38 ◼ ► We got you got a we got to fix that if instead apples like oh, I don't know. It's just some vague problem
01:51:46 ◼ ► This is the thing that's wrong because when I swap it for the old thing all of a sudden my whole computer gets better and it's
01:51:52 ◼ ► Not because you're running a web browser and it's not because you're doing this. It's because there's an OS level component. That's host, right?
01:51:59 ◼ ► Explanation right either someone's using a private API someone's doing something to trigger bug in the OS
01:52:05 ◼ ► But someone has to figure this out and just not running Chrome the world's most popular web browser
01:52:13 ◼ ► So either Chrome's got to figure it out or Apple's got to figure out or someone's got to figure out
01:52:17 ◼ ► So I really hope all the people who are following the instructions that I think are on this website or at least tweeted of
01:52:22 ◼ ► Like how to provide diagnostic information to the Chrome team the Chrome team is like look if you think it's us like help us
01:52:33 ◼ ► It's difficult situation because as Marco he says like it's not his job to help Apple debug their crap
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01:54:13 ◼ ► And I said to you Marco that you getting the XDR first and then saying well, I mean I have this XDR
01:54:31 ◼ ► I want like that. There's such a giant hole in the market, especially now as they just released these amazingly compelling
01:54:45 ◼ ► iMac or Mac Pro like it's like everybody like so many people want to be using these brand new laptops and
01:54:55 ◼ ► their desktops all of a sudden and the only option is either this terrible LG monitor or Apple's
01:55:04 ◼ ► the only reason they all want them is because these are the only our max that are out and they're the low-end ones and I
01:55:09 ◼ ► Think everyone who is like I'm gonna use a fanless air as my main computer that that instinct that desire that whole
01:55:16 ◼ ► Thing is just gonna go away as soon as Apple releases the presumably much faster much better much, you know
01:55:23 ◼ ► Armax and then and then you say hey, I thought you were gonna use your arm as your as your main computer like yeah
01:55:41 ◼ ► But I think most of that is most of that feels like software problems. Honestly, it doesn't feel like hardware
01:55:50 ◼ ► Apple silicon that I'm that kind of surprises me like like Dropbox they claim that it works
01:55:56 ◼ ► But it doesn't like if you look at activity monitor, it still says different Intel binaries
01:56:03 ◼ ► I can't run call recorder at all for Skype because that's and that's not at all compatible yet
01:56:07 ◼ ► So there's like there's certain things about it that that are weird and not yet optimized
01:56:19 ◼ ► But that doesn't really matter because they work fine. Well, wait, what why aren't you to max?
01:56:29 ◼ ► I bet it will be an ordeal to do it because now I have to deal with things like notarization all of those stuff
01:56:44 ◼ ► And so I kind of have to like I think I assume I have to wait for that to be easily buildable on
01:56:49 ◼ ► Our max and it isn't yet as far as I have to does it does it run it in a separate process
01:56:59 ◼ ► Yeah, all right. Well that one's gonna be a pain, but I think what right you would just be mad at recompiling
01:57:03 ◼ ► But it just doesn't matter like I don't even run quitter anymore myself. Honestly. It's kind of abandoned but it quit quitter
01:57:29 ◼ ► On Apple silicon that I will issue the update but it isn't yet easy. And so it's not worth trouble
01:57:45 ◼ ► I didn't find it nearly as offensive as you but again, I've only been using it for ten minutes at a time once
01:58:16 ◼ ► and you guys have said this other people said this one of the great things about Apple in the same way like
01:58:24 ◼ ► that you know, the president is drinking the same coke or diet coke that I'm drinking and
01:58:28 ◼ ► the president may or may not be using the same iPhone I'm using and and yet Apple in certain circumstances
01:58:41 ◼ ► Ridiculous stratospheres where no normal human other than John, Syracuse is buying a seven thousand dollar monitor for his home computer
01:58:57 ◼ ► Professionals to feel catered and they said okay. Well, here you go. You know, you're now we're catering to catering to professionals
01:59:22 ◼ ► Prestige and I don't know if that's the right word for it. But you know Apple's kind of a prestige brand to some degree
01:59:32 ◼ ► on a regular human income, you know, you don't have to be making ten million dollars a year to buy a really nice iPhone and
01:59:48 ◼ ► For these computers that from from everything anyone has said are unreal. They're phenomenally great computers
01:59:55 ◼ ► They're bringing back. Like I'm listening to my friends and listening to press talk about these computers and there's that like I
02:00:02 ◼ ► Mean, it's not a glint in the eye because I'm listening not seeing these people but there's that verbal glint if you will
02:00:08 ◼ ► That this is this computing got fun again all of a sudden. It's not just incremental every year. This is like this is fun
02:00:18 ◼ ► Yet we're mating it to these god-awful displays and it's just and it's just it stinks and I guess it would be less offensive
02:00:35 ◼ ► There's some $2,000 Dell monitor that had like a really nice enclosure and a really nice stand
02:00:40 ◼ ► I can still imagine you guys saying well, oh, it's still got the Dell logo in the front or oh, I don't really like that
02:00:47 ◼ ► It's black and not gray or it's plastic not metal. But still you know what? It's a great panel. It's a great monitor
02:00:53 ◼ ► So whatever not that big a deal, you know what I mean? That's exactly what I did like the problem is
02:01:01 ◼ ► Pre retina and pre high DPI for a while the PC monitor market and the Mac monitor market was
02:01:13 ◼ ► but they wanted the same things and the high-end was kind of the same or at least like it was a lot closer and
02:01:20 ◼ ► and so for a like for before in the pre retina day is like what PC monitors wanted in the
02:01:27 ◼ ► 24-inch LCD range was the same thing that Apple monitors wanted in the 24 inch LCD range and then what happened was
02:01:38 ◼ ► Things have diverged in how each one of these worlds handles high DPI monitors whether they even want them at all
02:01:51 ◼ ► largely like either the absolute worst bargain basement crap for business buyers who don't care and just need screens or
02:01:58 ◼ ► It's stuff charted at gamers and gamers have very very different priorities like for gamers
02:02:09 ◼ ► but not as high as Apple goes because those are harder to drive at high frame rates and
02:02:30 ◼ ► Except either Apple themselves or in the case of like this LG monitor and many of their peripherals by say Belkin
02:02:48 ◼ ► Like, you know, obviously these LG monitors were designed with Apple's help and and they're obviously
02:02:58 ◼ ► Where LG makes these for Apple as part of some contract because Apple wanted us to exist
02:03:09 ◼ ► but clearly like there were some cooperation between the two companies to make this same thing with all the stupid little adapters that Apple kind of
02:03:19 ◼ ► Yeah, so that's that's what happened with the monitors and it's a shame because if the monitor situation was better if Apple
02:03:39 ◼ ► That would be amazing and the monitor that like and the panel that they could sell is what they've been shipping in the iMac
02:03:50 ◼ ► Like this is not new this is it's not like the technology is just cutting edge and they can only fit it in an iMac
02:04:04 ◼ ► It's just so frustrating that they're just choosing not to like I like what you said about like, you know
02:04:13 ◼ ► When looking at certain products, you know when looking at the AirPods Pro Max for sure
02:04:18 ◼ ► When looking at certainly the Pro Display XDR the Mac Pro and even you know, like their accessories business
02:04:30 ◼ ► MagSafe double charger thing that the duo that doesn't include the power break. It almost seems like there's two apples. There's one
02:05:01 ◼ ► Totally unaddressed, but I don't think that's necessarily profitable. Like yeah, you know what happens when Apple charges
02:05:21 ◼ ► No, they just buy something else from some third party on Amazon for cheap. Like that's that's what actually happens here
02:05:30 ◼ ► Almost nobody except jerks like me and John are gonna be like, okay, I guess I'll buy that reluctantly
02:05:36 ◼ ► No, most people are like, well, I'm just not gonna buy that no matter what you say or do or no matter what I need
02:05:45 ◼ ► It's a shame because that's really just lost business for Apple at the end of the day and it's worse products for everyone else
02:05:53 ◼ ► Like that's the reason like the the thinking that leads them not to make that thing is the same thing that leads them not to
02:05:58 ◼ ► Make Wi-Fi routers and all these other things where even Wi-Fi routers had a bigger mark in this like Apple most computers
02:06:03 ◼ ► Apple sells come with monitors the ones that don't are the Mac Pro, which is now you're already in the market for a $7,000 monitor
02:06:10 ◼ ► So that's a perfect match set there. No, there's no discount there. Right the Mac mini, which is like well
02:06:17 ◼ ► Let them fend for themselves the whole point is you bring your own monitor and keyboard or use in a data center or whatever
02:06:21 ◼ ► Definitely like a sideshow and then all those people with laptops who just buy Dell 4k monitors that Marco doesn't like because everything is the wrong
02:06:28 ◼ ► size but no one else cares or they buy those really big wide monitors like that overlap between like what the PC monitor market is
02:06:34 ◼ ► Fits fine for people who just who want one of those big curved monitors and don't care and hook it up to their laptop
02:06:39 ◼ ► And so what's left what's left is weird people and now we're like Marco or me conceivably
02:06:45 ◼ ► Where you have this very specific desire like you buy a monitor to list computer from Apple or you want to use it with your?
02:06:53 ◼ ► But you don't want any of the PC ones because you don't like the curves and you want the DPI to be
02:06:58 ◼ ► What you expect it to be and it's like it's getting narrower and narrower and it's like I feel like Apple learned from making like
02:07:06 ◼ ► 24 inch Apple LED display before that they just don't sell a lot of those monitors because people look at those just like the weird
02:07:13 ◼ ► $129 bedside thing they're like I'll pass I'll buy a Dell monitor right and who's left just you know
02:07:19 ◼ ► just the people who want an external monitor which is already a fraction of a fraction and just the people who are willing to pay the
02:07:26 ◼ ► Admittedly not ridiculous Apple premium for a monitor instead of just buying the cheap Dell that is the wrong shape or whatever
02:07:37 ◼ ► Same way it does for getting out of printers or Wi-Fi routers or whatever because everyone looks the Wi-Fi route and like oh
02:07:47 ◼ ► But the the thing that everyone's missing that the bean counter perspective missing is sometimes you got to make products that don't particularly make sense
02:07:56 ◼ ► Just to give a better sort of cohesive product story right it satisfies your most loyal most stupid
02:08:05 ◼ ► They become evangelists for your brand and even if you lose money in every single one of those
02:08:10 ◼ ► 5k Apple displays that you make in the grand scheme of things in the long run it helps your business and that
02:08:15 ◼ ► That pitch is the one that you need to make inside Apple to make this happen and it seems like
02:08:29 ◼ ► Existing Mac users are some minimal level and they learn that lesson of like no you actually have to
02:08:36 ◼ ► when you you know when you look those line graphs like the Mac is in the mix with like I don't know like
02:08:45 ◼ ► It's it's like the iPhone and now services and then the other products Apple makes you know
02:08:55 ◼ ► But but it's like you have sometimes you have to spend more than it seems like it's worth to keep
02:09:07 ◼ ► the sort of the idea that you want to provide a holistic Apple experience Steve Jobs seemed to be into that because he liked the
02:09:13 ◼ ► Idea of being able to sell you all the things even though the vast majority customers aren't gonna buy all the things, right?
02:09:21 ◼ ► Think makes your product and brand more valuable. I mean obviously has a drug line somewhere like maybe probably Apple shouldn't be making printers anymore
02:09:31 ◼ ► Monitor for your computers that matches them that almost nobody's gonna buy that you're already
02:09:38 ◼ ► That I feel like is a small reach just making iMac no chin. No computer guts like it's right. It's right there
02:09:44 ◼ ► It doesn't it's not that much more and you're like, but I can't justify those development expenses