00:00:00 ◼ ► All right, so we were discussing this on Slack and then it occurred to me that maybe we should discuss this publicly for the bootleg people.
00:00:15 ◼ ► As a manager, it's not like we're talking about robbing a bank. Yeah. Well now I think they were robbing a bank.
00:00:21 ◼ ► Yeah, it's like if you go to a restaurant and there's a sign taped at the door that says don't worry,
00:00:30 ◼ ► Rat free kitchen. You two are already on my shit list for the treatment I got yesterday morning.
00:01:03 ◼ ► but particularly the greater Relay FM community and that includes this very program, the Accidental Tech podcast.
00:01:08 ◼ ► September is childhood cancer awareness month and this all started for for me and for us with our dear friend
00:01:19 ◼ ► was afflicted with childhood cancer when when the kid was like six months old and so because of that
00:01:25 ◼ ► this the childhood cancer awareness month is near and dear to our hearts and in particular
00:01:29 ◼ ► St. Jude Children's Research Hospital is near and dear to our hearts and every September for at least the last two or three years
00:01:47 ◼ ► we would very much love it if you the listener could donate any amount of money a dollar five dollars ten dollars a
00:01:59 ◼ ► particularly during this month and so if you wanted to and if you if you have a little extra cash you can send their way
00:02:14 ◼ ► And you can send them a little bit your money I should note that it now supports Apple Pay
00:02:19 ◼ ► Which it never did before which is super excellent and you can in just a matter of moments send
00:02:27 ◼ ► So let me give you kind of the formal spiel and then I'd like to tell you a little bit about what ATP is doing
00:02:32 ◼ ► In September like we said you can join supporters around the world during childhood cancer awareness month to raise money for the kids of st.
00:02:38 ◼ ► Jude Children's Research Hospital where families never receive a bill for anything. Let me say that one more time
00:02:54 ◼ ► treatments invented at st. Jude Children's Research Hospital have helped push the overall childhood cancer survival rate from 20% to more than
00:03:01 ◼ ► 80% since it opened more than 50 years ago st. Jude won't stop until no child dies from cancer
00:03:28 ◼ ► What can we do here in order to try to show how important this is to us and how much we value
00:03:33 ◼ ► St. Jude Children's Research Hospital and what we have done is as a threesome we have donated a sum total of twenty thousand and one dollars
00:03:47 ◼ ► Under a little bit of duress in my case which I'll explain in a moment. We donated each of us donated
00:03:56 ◼ ► Basically 20 grand although it ended up if you do the math to be twenty thousand and one dollars
00:04:08 ◼ ► This is this is because we're we find St. Jude to be such an important thing and and we we value it so much
00:04:17 ◼ ► Thanks in large part to our members and and we really appreciate that and so, you know whether or not you're a member
00:04:22 ◼ ► We really really really urge all of you and we will say this a couple of more times this month
00:04:34 ◼ ► Anything helps don't be embarrassed about a dollar or five dollars. No, no, no, no, no, no be proud be proud of that five dollars
00:04:51 ◼ ► Asterisks on well, how effectively do they use the money or whatever like sometimes like you got to do some research?
00:04:59 ◼ ► and this is a fantastic place to donate money if you want to make a difference in real people's lives in a really effective and
00:05:15 ◼ ► Providing care for kids and their families like, you know kids with cancer and again what case is it notice?
00:05:38 ◼ ► the last thing you want to think about is money like how are we gonna pay for this to save our kid and
00:05:43 ◼ ► They take that question away, which is incredible and they're also a research institution
00:06:05 ◼ ► The things they do are incredible and really help the world in a pretty amazing way and they're just a fantastic organization
00:06:12 ◼ ► You know, if you can look up as much as you want to look up about them. They're a fantastic organization
00:06:20 ◼ ► So I'm gonna go as usual a little bit more aggressive than Casey's pitch. I'm gonna say
00:06:30 ◼ ► You can afford to give them more than five dollars if you can only afford five dollars great. They will appreciate it
00:06:38 ◼ ► So I'm gonna say as we typically do this is you know, Apple Hardware buying season is about to be upon us
00:06:47 ◼ ► Usually Apple Hardware launches during September or is at least you know about to launch during September
00:06:55 ◼ ► Whatever you're about to spend on a new iPhone or a new iPad or a new Apple watch or whatever
00:07:16 ◼ ► Take some of that and give it to st. Jude as well justify your ridiculous Apple hardware purchase by giving
00:07:26 ◼ ► Tax or a case or Apple care for some new Apple device give that to st. Jude if you can do more even better
00:07:33 ◼ ► But that's what I'd say the set that is your target what you would spend on an accessory or on some kind of additional
00:07:39 ◼ ► Sir charge on your frivolous hardware purchase this fall give at least that much to that
00:07:44 ◼ ► Yeah, I agree. And you know, what is it? I probably have made the same comparison before but last I heard
00:07:55 ◼ ► So if you subscribe to his patreon, then you don't have to feel about using it feel bad about using an ad blocker
00:08:04 ◼ ► Small to medium to large size pile of money to st. Jude you get frivolous spending absolution. Yes all of us
00:08:14 ◼ ► You could buy whatever iPhone you want guilt-free and plus the relay thing like they had I figure where the goal was last year
00:08:19 ◼ ► But they totally smashed through their goal this year. Their goal is bigger than last year. I think it's like over 300 grand
00:08:29 ◼ ► Podcasting sphere that's in any way related to relay. We're trying to get them over the line
00:08:34 ◼ ► I think their goal is three hundred and fifteen thousand. I believe we can go higher than that, right?
00:08:44 ◼ ► Gets us closer to that goal and they're doing a bunch of fun things and they have like a podcast
00:08:48 ◼ ► Athan and they've already had a bunch of videos they put up when they reach certain goals or whatever. So
00:08:52 ◼ ► Check out that content if you want to be motivated to give even more if you give five bucks now and then give five bucks
00:08:58 ◼ ► Tomorrow and then give 20 bucks a day after that like as you see the content that they're producing
00:09:08 ◼ ► hopefully you'll be motivated to give even more and more and it's it's like like you both said it's such a great charity because
00:09:16 ◼ ► Letting someone else not have to worry about paying for something or you're not just helping them pay their bills
00:09:27 ◼ ► Something that prevents a family from having to think about money when they're dealing with their kid having cancer if they're treated at st
00:09:33 ◼ ► Jude so it's an extremely good cause and it should you know make everyone feel good to donate
00:09:39 ◼ ► I mean you could literally be paying to cure cancer. I mean how many how many times have you said cancer?
00:09:48 ◼ ► Yeah, if you want cancer to go away. This is how you do it. So please well, we'll let it go but st
00:09:58 ◼ ► Jude org slash ATP if you please now, let's talk about some text formatting. I'd like to file a formal complaint. I
00:10:20 ◼ ► Casey's idea was originally and I don't know if this was his idea just because he was busy or it was a legit idea
00:10:29 ◼ ► Doing during recording is like filling out forms on a website and carefully entering numbers and stuff like that
00:10:34 ◼ ► It's like no we should we should have our donations done and we split it up into three with our weird odd number
00:10:41 ◼ ► So we did 20,000 and one because that's how it divided evenly by three whatever right and we were all gonna give it
00:10:55 ◼ ► Do we just put our first and last name? Do we do we write ATP colon John ATP colon Marco?
00:11:04 ◼ ► Do we include just our last names not that it matters because it's just a text field that shows up on a website
00:11:08 ◼ ► But these are the type of things we discuss right and and Marco wanted to get it done because he had something to do
00:11:15 ◼ ► I wanted to get done because I wanted to get done before the show but Casey was recording a podcast
00:11:19 ◼ ► It's like I don't have time to deal with this like whatever but Marco and I like tough. You're outvoted. We want to do it
00:11:23 ◼ ► So like let's just do it just get out of the way let's just do it we amount to type six six six seven
00:11:32 ◼ ► Dot zero zero do the thing submit and go so Marco went first and he did Marco and Tiff and we even discussed in the chat
00:11:45 ◼ ► Okay, and I'm like this is we're gonna do right confirm confirm. Yes. Okay. Yep. Yep, and I did and then he Marco did that
00:11:52 ◼ ► Syracuse and submitted the thing following the format exactly the thing we noticed by the way is when Marco did his like there's a leaderboard
00:12:05 ◼ ► So we realized I was just like recency because we gave the exact same amount and so we've realized Casey's gonna be at the top
00:12:10 ◼ ► Of the leaderboard because he's gonna go last and then I think I just didn't think about it close the window
00:12:16 ◼ ► Casey was indeed the number one in the number one spot and still is as we record days later
00:12:36 ◼ ► Asterix doing there and he angrily says it's an ampersand. I'm like, it's not an ampersand
00:12:51 ◼ ► It looks like that thing you get in your credit card bill where you can't figure out what the vendor is
00:12:57 ◼ ► Aaron slash something like who is this? What is this? What is this charge? Oh, it's just Casey. You can't type
00:13:14 ◼ ► Dealing with these two numb nuts trying to tell me go go go and normally I wouldn't have really thought that much about it
00:13:24 ◼ ► But I had this vision of somebody watching and I'm saying that just me and Marco gave money, but you didn't give any
00:13:30 ◼ ► Exactly and then like hours later. Okay, fine. I guess I'll do it too. You jerks, you know or something like that
00:13:57 ◼ ► We did all agree it was going to be space a nd space, but I was in a hurry. I was distracted
00:14:02 ◼ ► I was trying to get through it as quickly as possible. So I just did a friggin ampersand and next thing I know
00:14:11 ◼ ► I think Mike would have paused for two and a half minutes if you told him hang on a second
00:14:33 ◼ ► Just be glad you didn't put emoji in yeah, right. That's true. You should I should have done like an emoji answer one of those big pluses
00:14:43 ◼ ► Not like I don't want to be at the top of the leaderboard for more than like 10 minutes like being there for 10 minutes
00:14:51 ◼ ► So like hey if you're listening to this and you want to donate even a dollar more than six thousand six thousand six hundred sixty seven
00:14:57 ◼ ► Send me your mailing address and in the redacted version of your receipt and I will put not for sale ATP stickers in the mail
00:15:08 ◼ ► I always wonder what it would take to get a sticker, you know, it'll take six thousand six hundred and sixty eight dollars or more to st
00:15:13 ◼ ► Jude that's it. That's how much it costs right now. That is the price of an ATP sticker. That is it
00:15:20 ◼ ► Did I didn't want to necessarily be at the top and now every time I look at this because you know at the top of this
00:15:26 ◼ ► Page they show like the different milestones that Mike and Steven are trying to hit and now every time I look down
00:15:49 ◼ ► Like you couldn't wait it when I wanted to get it done before the show and I had things to do as well
00:15:53 ◼ ► I didn't want to be doing it during the show fine. All right. Anyway, we did we donated a good job, buddy
00:15:58 ◼ ► Everyone who's listening go donate. Yes, ST. J your D dot org slash ATP. Oh my gosh. All right before I
00:16:04 ◼ ► Let me actually have a little bit of schadenfreude and John tell me about your Mac Pro. Oh, where did we leave off?
00:16:27 ◼ ► But I didn't want to go forward with that plan until I had some more backup. So I got another hard drive
00:16:33 ◼ ► I did a complete backup of linked data. Also. I forgot to mention this last show. I also did another backup of
00:16:42 ◼ ► So I made two additional copies of my photo library and one additional company of my entire data volume
00:16:52 ◼ ► Delete all the volumes from my boot thing all the visible volumes. This is the thing in disk utility doesn't show you like
00:16:58 ◼ ► the some of the hidden volumes in different APFS roles, but it shows you the system volume and the user volume so I had a
00:17:11 ◼ ► Then I had my real user data volume, right? So I was ready to do this. I had my backups
00:17:19 ◼ ► Right and then I booted into recovery mode and I deleted my system volume and I deleted my empty user volume being very careful to
00:17:32 ◼ ► Anyway, now I'm left with just one volume. I'm left with essentially an unbootable disk. Just one volume called link - data, right?
00:17:40 ◼ ► Then I ran the Catalina installer and when it asked me where I wanted to install I said please install on link - data
00:17:47 ◼ ► Oh, actually I renamed it to just plain old link before I did it just just for cleanliness because I knew
00:17:56 ◼ ► And I said you should install on this volume right here and installer did exactly what I thought it was gonna do which is
00:18:02 ◼ ► Made a new system volume rename my data volume to be link - data and wove them together during the installation process
00:18:09 ◼ ► So after the installer finished running my computer rebooted and I was back exactly where I left off with everything perfectly fine
00:18:19 ◼ ► So if you're wondering how are you if you just have a data volume how you can sort of revive your computer?
00:18:37 ◼ ► Even if that data volume was like a data volume from an old installed Catalina, it will all do the right thing
00:18:45 ◼ ► That wasn't sure whether it had actually gone through because that was like the first time I can remember my computer not waking from sleep
00:18:53 ◼ ► And taking a long time and then I came back to my computer later and it wouldn't wake up
00:18:59 ◼ ► Okay, turns out did photo book arrived at my house. It had all the photos in it. None of the pictures were truncated
00:19:08 ◼ ► And now I have a bunch of spare hard drives hanging around in case I have some other disasters
00:19:19 ◼ ► There is some amount of shot in front of like I said that this was all happening. I am glad that it all worked out
00:19:24 ◼ ► What a mess though. What a how would any normal human, you know reasonably diagnosed and debug this
00:19:33 ◼ ► I mean an old person would probably just live with the fact that their computer doesn't wake from sleep and just make sure not go
00:19:38 ◼ ► And then I think most people debugging it like and the thing that would do the thing that I was tempted to do which is
00:19:46 ◼ ► But I did not want to do that just because I knew how long it would take and my backups are recent within
00:20:01 ◼ ► So I just stubbornly refused to lose even the tiniest amount of data if I didn't have to and it turns out it didn't have to
00:20:14 ◼ ► Considerably less time and lost like an hour or two worth of data. Well, the thing is by the time that I had like
00:20:21 ◼ ► Remember it didn't even it didn't even occur to me that I was gonna ever get into a situation where there could be data loss
00:20:34 ◼ ► I can't boot into it to run one more time machine backup, right and I can't even run a super duper clone or whatever against it
00:20:42 ◼ ► Like your volume as viewed by the OS as one contiguous thing and not just at the data volume, right?
00:20:49 ◼ ► But I ended up doing was cloning just the data volume, but that's not a bootable system, right?
00:20:53 ◼ ► So at the you know, once I cross the line of like, oh, I might have to restore from a backup or something here
00:20:59 ◼ ► It was too late. I couldn't boot into my computer anymore except for into that other system, right?
00:21:06 ◼ ► It probably would have been better for me to just ignore the fact that my computer can't wake from sleep and just do a bunch
00:21:11 ◼ ► More time machines and clones and all that other stuff, which I think I might have done at the beginning
00:21:17 ◼ ► I mean, I guess there was no data generated during those multiple days because all I was ever doing is rebooting and sleeping
00:21:36 ◼ ► You did all this thing you fixed your computer great good for you. What the hell was the problem?
00:21:40 ◼ ► We know that reviving the t2 fixed whatever the problem was, but what was the actual problem?
00:21:45 ◼ ► So we have a lot of feedback from people with theories in their own stories and anonymous Apple genius says
00:21:50 ◼ ► Both 10 15 6 and Big Sur beta 5 5 contains bridge OS updates mentioned before that one of the things that can modify the software
00:22:04 ◼ ► In fact each and every 10 15 point X update has also upgraded the t2 including the Catalina 10 15 6
00:22:16 ◼ ► When John revived the Mac Pro via Apple configurator 2 the latest shipping version of bridge OS would have been installed on the t2
00:22:22 ◼ ► So the one from 10 15 6 like, you know, since I was using Apple configurator 2 to revive it
00:22:29 ◼ ► It's gonna revive with whatever the latest is for the supported released OS and that would be 10 15 6, right?
00:22:39 ◼ ► One point on why did revive the revive operation hose my OS volume? I'm pretty confident
00:22:44 ◼ ► This is because when you did the revive it essentially did a reinstall of the GM bridge OS this meant that you
00:22:53 ◼ ► Whenever bridge OS is downgraded login window failing to recognize login passwords is a known side effect
00:22:59 ◼ ► So that is a possible explanation for why why wouldn't it let me log in apparently unrelated to any unmountable volumes?
00:23:07 ◼ ► I wondered if anyone else who had a Mac Pro out there and listen to the show had similar problems a
00:23:16 ◼ ► I also updated my Mac Pro to Big Sur beta 5 and wake from sleep stop working immediately after
00:23:21 ◼ ► So there's someone with a Mac Pro who did Big Sur beta 5 update and had the exact same symptom
00:23:28 ◼ ► Paul Colton says I'm having the same issues with my Mac Pro and Big Sur beta 5. I'm hoping beta fixes fixes the sleep issue
00:23:37 ◼ ► And job says another another listener job says Mac Pro has the same issue with wake from sleep
00:23:56 ◼ ► But I never ran Big Sur beta and you know and there many people have many sort of sleep problems
00:24:06 ◼ ► But you were bridge OS so hard that it turned my 16 inch MacBook Pro into a brick that had to get a new logic board
00:24:15 ◼ ► Something broke with bridge OS and even like the Apple Store could not bring my computer back to like life
00:24:28 ◼ ► And Leeward says my 2014 Mac mini wouldn't wake from sleep at all while 10 15 6 was running many many
00:24:38 ◼ ► August 12th has completely fixed the problem as far as I can tell so and again many many more bits of feedback
00:24:48 ◼ ► coinciding with various software updates and all sorts of different kinds of hardware and a smattering of stories where like literally your hardware is bricked because
00:24:56 ◼ ► The t2 is it's hardware and it's software and it's firmware and if it really really really gets hosed
00:25:05 ◼ ► I'm imagining that requires some minimal functionality of your t2 to even get into that mode. So if you really hose it bad
00:25:19 ◼ ► So, you know like every single Catalina update has included a new version of bridge OS that's a little scary
00:25:33 ◼ ► Think we should all be like it is Mac minis MacBook pros a bunch of people with iMac said a bunch of problems related to bridge
00:25:41 ◼ ► OS yeah, like you don't usually think of a point update to your OS as being a potentially entire disk losing process
00:26:00 ◼ ► Make sure you have good backups. It's a good thing. Apple's software quality is always so stellar. Yeah. Yeah, I mean like
00:26:08 ◼ ► Really though this I mentioned that the big Sur beta cycle has been terrible for me and in one aspect
00:26:13 ◼ ► Which is updating from one beta to the next because they've totally changed how the OS update process works
00:26:19 ◼ ► But up until this point we've had max with t2s for a long time and it's kind of amazing that
00:26:27 ◼ ► So I think in general Apple is pretty careful with these updates and has a process that must be pretty
00:26:32 ◼ ► you know have a lot of safeguards in place to make sure you don't get into a completely unbootable state, but
00:26:52 ◼ ► So if you hold down the D key or run built-in hardware diagnostics if you hold down a boot if you hold down
00:27:01 ◼ ► But then after that test is run apparently you can press command E to run the extended version of the test
00:27:07 ◼ ► And apparently this is entirely undocumented in the Apple support article that we will link in the show notes. So
00:27:14 ◼ ► More thorough hardware test. I'm not really inclined to run that right now, but next time I have some sort of terrible problem
00:27:26 ◼ ► Although of course with the arm max we know this is all changing like they're not they don't have any more of these command option PR
00:27:38 ◼ ► I don't know we talked about it on a previous show, but this whole you know boot process is changing
00:27:43 ◼ ► So instead of memorizing a bunch of keys that you have to hold down you essentially get into this mode with a single key and then
00:27:56 ◼ ► Speaking of more diagnostic tools. There's this tool called silent night night spelled like the medieval night with a K
00:28:03 ◼ ► That will dump a bunch of info about your bridge OS and your EFI version and stuff like that
00:28:11 ◼ ► And if you don't want to install another program if you run user lib exec remote control
00:28:27 ◼ ► So that's useful to know like I know everyone's like I'm looking at the OS version and I'm a Mac power user
00:28:34 ◼ ► There are many other numbers that are relevant to what state your computer is in and in my case the thing that mattered was
00:28:40 ◼ ► You know either something having to do with the bridge OS or possibly EFI and if you're wondering what those version numbers look like
00:28:59 ◼ ► I don't know if that means the OS version but anyway says I bridges 17 dot 16 dot 1 6 6 1 0 dot 0
00:29:12 ◼ ► Did big Sur change something or did reviving it decrease the number like you can compare the two numbers to each other
00:29:21 ◼ ► Marco would you like to recant anything you said with regard to cable management last time?
00:29:40 ◼ ► Recommend that people throw away their cables because there are things that can attempt to recycle
00:29:54 ◼ ► You can just dump your electronic waste into in you know places like Best Buy or whatever
00:30:07 ◼ ► Recycling is that it doesn't always happen the way you think it does or the way you think it should and I simply don't know
00:30:16 ◼ ► Actual recovery of actual material from actual things you dump it to bins and places like Best Buy
00:30:28 ◼ ► I'm guessing it's not very common to get useful material out of your discarded USB cables
00:30:34 ◼ ► Maybe I'm super wrong about this, but I don't think it's I don't think it's pragmatic to tell people
00:30:39 ◼ ► You shouldn't recommend that you throw things away because you could recycle them because what you're doing is giving people a
00:30:46 ◼ ► Reason to hesitate or you're adding friction of the process of getting rid of stuff that you should get rid of
00:30:52 ◼ ► When it's something like this where like I don't think there's a lot of like trace metals and cables the last thing anybody needs to
00:30:59 ◼ ► Hear is wait. Don't throw away your cables because you might be throwing them away wrong
00:31:07 ◼ ► Well, I understand what you're getting at and that you don't want people to have a barrier to getting crap out of their house
00:31:17 ◼ ► If there's one company that I would trust to actually try to recycle them it's Apple because they have a ton of money and they're
00:31:23 ◼ ► Good about that type of stuff. So and yes Best Buy also has a free recycling program. So
00:31:26 ◼ ► People should be aware of that and they should do it if they can I think even if even if this is a small percent
00:31:35 ◼ ► It's better than the 0% chance of when you throw it in the garbage and it just goes into landfill somewhere
00:31:44 ◼ ► Well now you've just added friction and now they're never gonna get rid of their cables
00:31:47 ◼ ► But honestly if you're using your house as the landfill, that's probably still better for the planet
00:31:51 ◼ ► Then then putting them in the actual landfill and plus Margot you can drive there in your electric car and have a much smaller
00:31:57 ◼ ► Environmental impact than the rest of us. So keep that in mind for your own personal choice
00:32:11 ◼ ► Anyway, Apple has a free recycling program and so does Best Buy and so do tons of other places. So please consider recycling
00:32:26 ◼ ► Like what is it a vestibule where it's like in the airlock between the outside and the actual store itself?
00:32:31 ◼ ► There was just a bunch of bins where you could just throw things like cables and stuff like that
00:32:44 ◼ ► Or at least at my Best Buy and maybe like yours as well and and just drop it off and run and so it's about
00:33:06 ◼ ► Perfect. I mean it already kind of is. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of it's pretty sad in there
00:33:20 ◼ ► enabled crossplay for a weekend before shutting it off this weaponized the fan base against Sony until they caved and there's a
00:33:35 ◼ ► But Fortnite is not available to download on iOS right now, and that's surprising to me
00:33:41 ◼ ► I'm surprised neither one of them flinched in this game of chicken. Yeah, this was the the story
00:33:49 ◼ ► And this is just the the icing on the cake and it was also something that I had remembered
00:33:56 ◼ ► So yes epic eventually convinced both Sony and Microsoft to allow crossplay for Fortnite and eventually other games as well
00:34:09 ◼ ► They just broke the rules and said but you know what we can enable crossplay because it's totally technically possible and oops
00:34:19 ◼ ► different consoles and of course players loved it because it's a feature that players would love and
00:34:27 ◼ ► You know this person is saying that it weaponized the fan base because the fans got a taste of what it was like to have
00:34:32 ◼ ► Crossplay and they wanted it back also there are some people saying like they were just showing that there's no technical barriers because of course
00:34:41 ◼ ► Maybe there's some differences in the platforms that would make it unfair and they all have these hemming and hawing reasons
00:34:46 ◼ ► Why cross play is much more complicated than you think but epic just said you know what we're just gonna turn it on
00:34:50 ◼ ► And we know it's against the rules and maybe we'll get like a band from the Sony and Microsoft store
00:35:05 ◼ ► Be you know swing your radar wait around show that you are you know a big company. That's important to these platforms
00:35:12 ◼ ► Disobey them intentionally if you think it will get you closer to your goal and in the case of the consoles
00:35:18 ◼ ► Console makers and epic were able to work something out in the case of epic and Apple so far. They haven't worked anything out
00:35:25 ◼ ► Yeah, and we'll get to that in a minute, but before then Claire's the dog cow rights on last week's ATP
00:35:31 ◼ ► Syracuse has said Congress should pass a law where you should where you must be able to unsubscribe from a service the same way you
00:35:36 ◼ ► Subscribed to it mark to Connell who is a Democrat from California has authored answer sponsored if nothing else
00:35:42 ◼ ► Unsubscribed act of 2019 which would do just that we'll put a link in the show notes to it. This is HR
00:35:58 ◼ ► Bill could be enacted as a law this has a 3% chance because our government is non-functional
00:36:03 ◼ ► But anyway, it just goes to show that if there's a good idea out there chances are some well-meaning politician has thought of it
00:36:09 ◼ ► And their dreams will be crushed by the rest of the machinery that is our non-functional government
00:36:22 ◼ ► Remember on the last show I was like this is the type of bill that people can get behind because it's not partisan
00:36:28 ◼ ► It's the type of thing that everyone's constituents would like it's common sense like it
00:36:31 ◼ ► You know and it's not even particularly burdensome to industry obviously industry thinks everything is burdensome if you make them do anything
00:36:42 ◼ ► They have the infrastructure to let you unsubscribe or a computer and the only reason they're not doing it is so they can make you
00:36:47 ◼ ► You know write a letter and you know cursive on a piece of part from paper or whatever the hell it takes to get subscribed, right?
00:36:54 ◼ ► You know, it's just but three per I mean, I don't know how to how seriously to take these gov track
00:36:59 ◼ ► Numbers but a 3% chance of being enacted doesn't it's depressing like is there no bill like about the puppies are cute bill
00:37:06 ◼ ► Oh, sorry, there's only a 1% chance of passing we can't get everyone to agree. The puppies are cute
00:37:09 ◼ ► It's like what's wrong with us a lot. Yeah. Yeah, so you want to let's talk about something awesome like
00:37:17 ◼ ► Terminating epics game epic games developer account for the hell Apple didn't flinch. They really did it
00:37:23 ◼ ► epic didn't upload a version that was compliant and Apple did exactly what they said they were to do is if by the 28th you
00:37:28 ◼ ► Don't upload a version that's compliant and just as an app purchase. We will terminate the developer count that you use to develop fortnight
00:37:36 ◼ ► They did not because the judge wouldn't let them terminate the developer account that epic uses to develop Unreal Engine
00:37:44 ◼ ► Yeah, and the Apple released a little statement that says we're disappointed that we've had to terminate the epic games account on the App Store
00:37:50 ◼ ► Right. We hope that we can work together again in the future. Like it's like the door is open
00:37:56 ◼ ► We have had to terminate the epic games account. Did you did you have to you know, they said they would look what you made me do
00:38:10 ◼ ► So I think this is a proportional and entirely predictable results and it happened, right?
00:38:21 ◼ ► That the viability of that is going to be limited very quickly when everyone else on the new season and you're still stuck on the old
00:38:33 ◼ ► and then of course epic sent out their email to fortnight players saying the reason you can't get is because Apple's mean and
00:38:48 ◼ ► Say a fortnight competitor also potentially the game that that epic copied exactly to make fortnight because pub G was the first sort of battle
00:39:04 ◼ ► Epic by promoting their competing app when fortnight is off the store and can't compete with them anymore
00:39:15 ◼ ► Epic get something from them too and to pub G is published by Tencent which owns 40% of epic
00:39:27 ◼ ► Maybe they did but if they did it's not really as effective maybe as they thought it would be
00:39:39 ◼ ► They make all of our awesome, you know, like the t-shirts the hoodies the hats even Casey's Polo that Casey buys
00:39:47 ◼ ► They are a merch partner and they are because they make really good stuff and they are also the merch partners for MKB HD
00:40:01 ◼ ► Podcasts and youtubers and other things that you've probably heard of they make a wide variety of graphic tees
00:40:12 ◼ ► I actually will go to cotton bureau and just browse their stuff just whatever designs they have
00:40:16 ◼ ► Because they have some really cool t-shirts and I would say about a third of my t-shirts are cotton bureau shirts
00:40:24 ◼ ► Our merchandise or some other podcast that we listen to our friends stuff and a lot of it is just like that independent designer stuff
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00:41:09 ◼ ► They happen to send one of these to John to review. So John first of all, I don't even know what this is
00:41:16 ◼ ► I mean, I know what the Xbox is. But what is the Xbox elite wireless controller series 2 and boy typical Microsoft name?
00:41:25 ◼ ► Yeah, this is a product that I love the fact that exists and for a long time I was sort of
00:41:29 ◼ ► Upset that I couldn't use it because I don't have an Xbox if we had a PlayStation, right?
00:41:38 ◼ ► For controllers, so practically speaking. This is a Microsoft, you know controller for the Xbox console
00:41:51 ◼ ► You can buy in it. You can buy an adapter and use it with your PlayStation, you know, it's a Bluetooth controller
00:41:56 ◼ ► Like it has a surprising amount of compatibility, right? What is it? It is a controller. You've seen a console controller
00:42:01 ◼ ► This is the little buttons and the sticks and or whatever, but it costs a huge amount of money
00:42:11 ◼ ► Yes, just for just one control it's essentially four times the price of a regular control you can almost get a switch for that
00:42:18 ◼ ► Yeah, that makes no request to you, but I don't understand Marco scoffing considering the price of the headphones he wears, right?
00:42:23 ◼ ► Why would somebody want a controller that costs almost $200 when the one that comes with the game console?
00:42:30 ◼ ► Seems perfectly fine. Like what's wrong with that one? The reason I wanted this product to exist is I love you know
00:42:44 ◼ ► But if you can get one that feels a little better that is a little smoother that doesn't get creaky
00:42:52 ◼ ► I would love a PlayStation controller that is like the Xbox elite now. What's what's different about this control?
00:42:59 ◼ ► That's why it's the series 2 right but it has mostly the same features as the original in the first major feature
00:43:03 ◼ ► Is that everything you see almost everything you see on the top of the controller the sticks the d-pad?
00:43:10 ◼ ► Those can be pulled off their magnetic so you can just pull those off and put on different ones and
00:43:22 ◼ ► Well, first of all, they're not flimsy like you would never know that if I didn't tell you these are magnetically connected
00:43:28 ◼ ► You'd have no idea. They don't come off. You can't accidentally push them off with your fingers. They're very solid
00:43:33 ◼ ► They give you an option of what you want. For example, like Microsoft has this weird radar dish looking thing that they use
00:43:40 ◼ ► Instead of a d-pad if you don't like that take it off and put on the little d-pad thingy now
00:43:46 ◼ ► Don't know. I think maybe they did that on the original Xbox because Nintendo's d-pad patent hadn't expired
00:43:55 ◼ ► because if you have a longer stick it lets you do more precise sort of like aiming when you're sniping where you can move your
00:44:03 ◼ ► Smaller amount because the the stick is longer you can choose what kind of caps you want
00:44:16 ◼ ► The the the analog sticks to make them stiffer or looser. Oh my god on the backside of the thing
00:44:27 ◼ ► Like I mean like on the total underside like there's just the smooth bottom right on this thing
00:44:36 ◼ ► So if you just want one trigger on either side you can put that if you want to you want one two on one side
00:44:39 ◼ ► One on the other whatever you essentially have four new buttons that you can press without
00:44:52 ◼ ► Adjustable stops and then default position that you can pull the triggers all the way in just like a regular Xbox controller
00:44:58 ◼ ► But you also have two other positions including one where they barely move at all and that's good for again a game
00:45:04 ◼ ► Where like say you're trying to use a sniper in a game and you keep getting out snipes because it actually takes time for you
00:45:11 ◼ ► But it doesn't actually fire until the trigger gets to the end of it's like one centimeter travel
00:45:28 ◼ ► Looks expensive everything in it is like the the controls like the sticks and everything are all made of metal the d-pad is made of
00:45:35 ◼ ► Metal the triggers are all made of metal the bottom triggers. I mean it's a high quality grippy material it is
00:46:08 ◼ ► Like you know just like it like a car interior everything is made of metal, and it's heavy and it's smooth and silky
00:46:33 ◼ ► They are heavier, and they have more momentum when you move them and even on the loosest setting
00:46:57 ◼ ► Feel the extra weight of all the controls and the controls that aren't metal like the buttons aren't metal and that and the two front triggers
00:47:05 ◼ ► Aren't metal I like them better because they're plastic because they feel light and they feel easier to press
00:47:10 ◼ ► Second thing is the triggers no console that's shipping as far as I know has these triggers on the bottom
00:47:29 ◼ ► So I could keep both my thumbs on the thumb stick and do all the things I would normally do
00:47:42 ◼ ► But when you take the triggers off there's the little holes where the triggers go and you could feel them
00:47:48 ◼ ► underneath with your fingers and finally this is not a fault of this controller, but I'm used to the PlayStation and
00:48:01 ◼ ► Which means pressing in on the left stick is what the default mapping and destiny is for run
00:48:09 ◼ ► Which is thing you do constantly in the game with the analog stick in the quote unquote better position
00:48:14 ◼ ► I have less leverage like in the Xbox version where it's a pie I have less leverage to push down
00:48:22 ◼ ► I would try to run and fail to press it partly because of the position also partly because
00:48:29 ◼ ► That's one of the reasons I was trying to use the trigger to run because like why do you have to use press in on L3?
00:48:34 ◼ ► Is that awkward just use one of the triggers, but I just feel like I feel like a piano player is running out of fingers
00:48:41 ◼ ► But like some some part of my hands needs to hold the controller like I can't have my pointer fingers
00:48:48 ◼ ► Handling the trigger handling the front triggers and then two other fingers handling the bottom triggers
00:48:53 ◼ ► What's and then the thumb on the stick? What's left? I've got like I've got like my pinky and
00:49:07 ◼ ► stop leaks in a dam by sticking their fingers and all the different holes and you just run out of fingers and you're like
00:49:16 ◼ ► Hardware is beautiful. You would love the interior of your car to look and feel like this the controller as a just plain controller
00:49:24 ◼ ► But for me personally as a someone who's played destiny on the PlayStation for a long long long time
00:49:34 ◼ ► I tried using in other things besides destiny that are sort of less hardcore and there was much more successful like playing a basic arcade game
00:49:40 ◼ ► That just requires to stick in some buttons feels great because the stakes are lower like I played sayonara wild hearts
00:49:45 ◼ ► Which is not quite as high stress or whatever as a competitive game like destiny and that felt great
00:49:50 ◼ ► The only other complaint I have is that I do like the triggers to be in the you know, sort of two millimeter travel position
00:50:01 ◼ ► They feel different when you pull them in the in the default position you pull the triggers and it feels great
00:50:06 ◼ ► It's like they're like they come to an end and it's like a soft landing in the other positions
00:50:11 ◼ ► It must put like a stop there and the stop is hard. So suddenly they make a harsh click stop
00:50:18 ◼ ► It feels less pleasant than the default position. So basically the the default position is
00:50:26 ◼ ► Gentler nicer feel and all the other ones feel kind of like you're hitting against a stop because you are right
00:50:31 ◼ ► I never used the series 1 of this thing. So I don't know what they improved in the series 1 to the series 2 but
00:50:41 ◼ ► Especially if you're an Xbox player and you're already used to the shape because by the way
00:50:47 ◼ ► So if you are used to Xbox controller shape and think you might like triggers go to find this in a store and try it
00:50:56 ◼ ► I would have no problem paying this amount of money or more for a PlayStation equivalent of the same controller
00:51:07 ◼ ► PlayStation controller and played destiny just felt like coming home and it was just so much lighter and nicer and yes
00:51:13 ◼ ► Even though you know after several years in destiny, maybe one of my trigger squeaks, you know what happens when that happens
00:51:50 ◼ ► I also am going to piggyback on this at some point and I have a request for the listeners. God help me
00:52:19 ◼ ► I'm not sure that's the word I would use to describe it. But sure let's go with that. Yes, so
00:52:52 ◼ ► Back at my house not at the beach. I am NOT going to get a second wheeled suitcase to bring that
00:52:58 ◼ ► Whenever I come here, that's not gonna happen. So basically the longer I spent at the beach the more I am without my sinology
00:53:22 ◼ ► That I don't have access to my archive drive where I put like, you know archive podcast files of episodes
00:53:31 ◼ ► It also provides like extra storage for other like, you know massive files that won't fit for my computer and TIFF's laptop. So
00:53:55 ◼ ► in the future we are going to be spending probably as much or more time at the beach as we do now and
00:54:06 ◼ ► something that I could have at the beach so that I could have the same functionality that I have as
00:54:12 ◼ ► My sinology at home. So basically archive storage and time machine one option I could do is
00:54:29 ◼ ► And so like it's like an access the sinology from here from remotely and do time machine over a
00:54:46 ◼ ► Anyway to have it be even slower by doing it over the internet basically would be inconvenient
00:55:09 ◼ ► That could be on a sinology. It could be a local disk who know, you know, it could be anything
00:55:19 ◼ ► Like depending on what network it's on like you're you can you can have more than one disk register with time machine and it'll just do
00:55:30 ◼ ► I didn't have as many good options for that unless I'm gonna do like remote access to my home sinology from here
00:55:35 ◼ ► Now my home sinology is the sinology that they sent us back when we first started talking about NASA's
00:55:46 ◼ ► Do you remember what year that was? Well, I think it was 2013 because the model we have is the DS
00:56:31 ◼ ► I think I started with all twos and slowly upgraded them to fours over time. I think I think that's how it happened
00:56:35 ◼ ► Regardless, you know capacities were much lower back then. So it's this it's this big 8 bay unit
00:56:41 ◼ ► I have all eight bays filled with this crazy arrangement of like striping and combinations and I scuzzy stuff
00:56:49 ◼ ► Because it's crazy. But you know these days I would do things differently. So that's what I started thinking. Okay
00:56:54 ◼ ► For years, I've been thinking well if I was gonna start over I would do things a bit differently
00:57:05 ◼ ► But you know the pricing on that is kind of crazy a lot of times. So, you know, and so maybe I could get away with less storage
00:57:15 ◼ ► well, maybe the right idea for the beach is to just get a small like two to four discs analogy and
00:57:25 ◼ ► Basically have it be like for the most part time machine only or like time machine in a small archive drive
00:57:34 ◼ ► Second option hybrid have local time machine and then have the archive be accessed remotely from home
00:57:49 ◼ ► So, you know, however that would work whether it's something like back blaze because I'm already using back blaze for cloud backup
00:57:56 ◼ ► Like cloud archive storage could be something something like where I store my files just on s3 or something, you know
00:58:07 ◼ ► but that gets pretty expensive when you're storing like many terabytes of back of archive data and
00:58:12 ◼ ► I don't love the idea of having archive data be like only in the cloud for just speed and access reasons
00:58:26 ◼ ► It's like that's it seems kind of ridiculous to rip a blu-ray only to upload it to s3 and have to pay for it every month
00:58:45 ◼ ► Let me look at what Synology offers and they still offer tons of great stuff. This is not a an ad for them
00:58:56 ◼ ► But they still offer great stuff and I was looking at their current models and they have some nice really, you know small ones
00:59:21 ◼ ► Having you know less to deal with and not having as many systems to have to update and everything
00:59:36 ◼ ► Just get a giant external hard drive and plug it directly into my computer and have that be time machine and archive storage
00:59:54 ◼ ► Right hardware raid one with a couple of you know now because hard drives are so big now
01:00:02 ◼ ► You need like one or at most two because you can get inexpensive ish like eight terabyte drives these days
01:00:14 ◼ ► They're so cartridges are so big now that you can just get a couple hard drives and be done with it
01:00:22 ◼ ► Don't have a great place to put a spinning disk enclosure where I'm not going to hear it at home
01:00:31 ◼ ► I have no care in the world for how much noise it makes because you can't hear that noise anywhere in the house
01:00:37 ◼ ► It's isolated enough from the house. It's fine. But here I don't have anywhere to put it where I could where I can't hear it and
01:01:11 ◼ ► There's not a lot of good of good options out there for like SSD enclosures that are managed in some way now
01:01:18 ◼ ► You could also just use little like, you know disc bracket things and stick a bunch of SSDs into a Synology
01:01:26 ◼ ► They even sell a small one that is made specifically to hold a bunch of SSDs like this is a thing that you can do
01:01:38 ◼ ► If I'm willing to just set a bit more money on fire. Oh, it's the Marco approach. I can just
01:01:54 ◼ ► velcro tape it to the back of the iMac and just stick a short USB cable into the back and
01:02:11 ◼ ► I don't have to deal with having two different setups. I can have one setup. Are you getting it one?
01:02:18 ◼ ► Set up. Mm-hmm all in one. The iMac is an all-in-one computer. I can have all-in-one storage
01:02:32 ◼ ► You just got to make sure you get a wart that doesn't have a fan because you mentioned the SSD Synology
01:02:37 ◼ ► I bet that SSD Synology has a fan and the fan and the Synology the fan of Synology is gonna be the loudest thing by
01:02:51 ◼ ► Especially almost anything designed to hold multiple disks that it almost always has fans
01:03:00 ◼ ► There there are SSDs that are seven point six eight terabytes. So little you know, seven and a half terabytes
01:03:06 ◼ ► It is not they were not as expensive as you would expect a nearly eight terabyte SSD to be because they're not very fast
01:03:18 ◼ ► I just need them to store a bunch of data in dead silence that I that I don't frequently access and
01:03:32 ◼ ► Whatever no name enclosure I found on Amazon that holds two SSDs and is fanless and is very lightweight
01:03:40 ◼ ► I don't have any velcro tape at the moment, but it is sitting behind my iMac behind the little foot and I can't see it and
01:04:14 ◼ ► The the chips are capable of one speed and then SATA is capable of a slower speed and then USB is capable of a slower speed
01:04:22 ◼ ► Still yep, you're right. They are silent. But like it's almost it's almost a shame that you couldn't buy cheaper worse SSDs
01:04:28 ◼ ► I mean, maybe that their souls aren't being silent right now, but they're they're being held back, but it was totally fine
01:04:46 ◼ ► Was not it was about 50% more than I would have spent on a comparable Synology setup now
01:04:59 ◼ ► It is just with the computer when I move the computer it will move with it like with no separate carrying of anything
01:05:09 ◼ ► It's directly connected. It's backed up to backblaze with no problem because it's just an external drive
01:05:15 ◼ ► Time machine works very well locally and I was able to use the Mac OS sharing panel thing to set up
01:05:27 ◼ ► Not at all intuitive as it was set up set up time machine servers for my laptop and TIFs laptop to be able to back up
01:05:39 ◼ ► And so now I have time machine archive storage and time machine for three for three computers and archive storage for all three computers all
01:05:46 ◼ ► Accessible over the network and everything all directly connected to my iMac Pro in a portable silent tiny solution
01:06:02 ◼ ► Simplicity and smallness and silence and everything else and it only took a bit of money fire setting on
01:06:12 ◼ ► It only took a bit of that to pay the premium for SSDs to be the storage medium instead of hard drives
01:06:20 ◼ ► So if you had a Mac Pro like me you could get it was a new bent piece of metal little support ten
01:06:28 ◼ ► Did you see that recently some some company has come out with a whole series of bent metal bent pieces of metal for every combination
01:06:37 ◼ ► Two two point five inches and one three point five inch and yes, their biggest one is ten two point five inch SSDs
01:06:45 ◼ ► So if you can find like if you could have a bunch of junk SSDs hanging around right just you know
01:06:54 ◼ ► Pick them all in there and put them on raid zero. You can have your own very very cheap internal SSD
01:07:18 ◼ ► Faster nvme card and a PCIe card because you can get faster for a terabyte SSDs that go in a PCI slot
01:07:33 ◼ ► I also will get rid of my spinning disks, but they're all internal and I'll replace them with internal SSDs and
01:07:45 ◼ ► So it's nice to be able and they're so tiny like, you know, my boot camp drive is it's in an enclosure
01:07:53 ◼ ► Above my big sir one has a thing that's like the size of a book of matches. It's a it's a one terabyte
01:07:59 ◼ ► Padded rubber book of matches. I can't it contains big sir plus a redundant copy of my photo library
01:08:05 ◼ ► Because that's where I put my second copy. Of course, but they're all disconnected now and yeah, well the big sir one is just gonna
01:08:11 ◼ ► Anyway, the boot camp one is connected and and I also and that enclosure that I got the the one for a big sir is
01:08:16 ◼ ► Thunderbolt so it's you know, it's not as fast as an internal SSD, but it's as fast as it can be externally
01:08:23 ◼ ► The downside of Thunderbolt 3 is or a Thunderbolt in general not only is do you have fewer options?
01:08:29 ◼ ► And they tend to be significantly more expensive. Yes, but also a lot of times the Thunderbolt controller chips inside the
01:08:35 ◼ ► Enclosures run so hot that they need fans and so that if you're trying to go look like a fanless setup
01:08:46 ◼ ► Yeah, this doesn't have any fans like it's too small to have fancy. It's just a sealed rubber thing
01:09:01 ◼ ► Maybe I'm not sure I found the brand but it's a brand whose name no one knows how to pronounce
01:09:06 ◼ ► LAC ie it's been around for ages Oh Lacey. I remember getting hard drives from them for my classic Mac
01:09:13 ◼ ► I always said Lacey. I always say Lacey in my head, but I don't know. I've never heard it
01:09:26 ◼ ► It's a shame that it's got big sir on it. But oh, this will this will be one of my scratch drives for
01:09:31 ◼ ► Other random stuff. This is the problem with my with data inflation. Like Mark's got a good little bit but like I
01:09:39 ◼ ► One terabyte was my boot drive for the longest time and then I graduated to four but this one which feels so good
01:09:54 ◼ ► So unfortunately now I have all these one terabyte drives hanging around that are not useful to me
01:10:05 ◼ ► Still waiting for those prices to go down, but someday I'll be able to achieve Marco's nirvana
01:10:10 ◼ ► Even better because my computer won't have won't have something taped to the side of it. Yeah, right
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01:10:45 ◼ ► You're gonna stop using that or you're gonna you're gonna stop having good reasons to use that or good ways to use that
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01:13:05 ◼ ► So why haven't you already bought yourself a Mac Pro since you're in the setting money on fire
01:13:20 ◼ ► You don't need a wagon for it it is the wagon I actually thought about that because I thought basically
01:13:44 ◼ ► I wouldn't really feel good replacing with that. I want to you know I'm gonna replace this what is it a three-year-old computer now?
01:13:58 ◼ ► As as it was as it became clear after that like non update the iMac Pro is never getting updated
01:14:09 ◼ ► And I'm doing a lot more Swift than I was before and I'm hitting lots of wait time in my development workflow
01:14:22 ◼ ► I'm like I mean it might actually pay if I can get something that's significantly faster than this
01:14:33 ◼ ► And so I looked into it, and I looked into benchmarks and looked into pricing all again
01:14:49 ◼ ► When when the iMac Pro came out whatever it was three years ago, and we were all like this is incredible
01:15:12 ◼ ► Than the three-year-old 10 core iMac Pro that existed back then that I'm still using today. You have to spend like
01:15:18 ◼ ► twelve fifteen thousand dollars on a setup to make it meaningfully faster than that and
01:15:27 ◼ ► Like twice as fast. It's not you're not making it like five times faster by doing that you're not you're not making it like
01:15:43 ◼ ► Disruption and everything it's just it's not worth it to me so believe me. I did consider that
01:15:47 ◼ ► But it's it's just not worth it. You shouldn't be buying an Intel based Mac Pro right now
01:15:55 ◼ ► It's the arm transitions happening if you can hold out wait for the for in two years wait for the arm
01:16:00 ◼ ► Mac Pro, and if you still got the edge then that one should be considerably faster and much cooler
01:16:06 ◼ ► And that's the one to get buying spending tons of money on an Intel Mac Pro now when you're not entirely sure that you have
01:16:17 ◼ ► this is not a great time to invest extremely heavily into a very expensive Intel setup and
01:16:21 ◼ ► You know especially and what made it even easier to accept is that my iMac Pro has stopped having that overheating problem
01:16:31 ◼ ► I guess I must have dislodged a dust clod somewhere in it or something and it doesn't have that problem anymore
01:16:37 ◼ ► It doesn't although it doesn't heat up as much. Maybe it's going in the water, but the salt air getting in there
01:16:43 ◼ ► Yeah, really just it's corroding some pieces of metal. It's allowing the air flow more freely
01:17:02 ◼ ► When thinking about like how happy you are with your current purchase like if it just disappeared and you had to replace it today
01:17:20 ◼ ► maybe shot that maybe I'd lean towards the Mac Pro just because again like I would want it to be
01:17:36 ◼ ► I should still get the iMac Pro because here's the thing. I'd be like John I wouldn't tolerate some crappy monitor
01:18:03 ◼ ► But like overall it wouldn't be that much different than what I have already had. So I would I would
01:18:09 ◼ ► Probably rationalize a Mac Pro and XDR setup, even though it would be a terrible use of money
01:18:40 ◼ ► for base analogy, I forget what vintage but a little newer than ours that he wasn't using and sent to me and
01:18:52 ◼ ► like I'll put big fat drives in this thing and I'll make a redundant copy of my Synology onto it and
01:19:01 ◼ ► There will be effectively a second Synology ready to go at a moment's notice and Oh bonus
01:19:08 ◼ ► my parents are about to get gigabit internet at their house like I have although a different provider and
01:19:16 ◼ ► Perfect. I will just put it at dad's mom and dad's house. I will sync to that Synology and everything will be great
01:19:22 ◼ ► What I want to know is what is the right way to set up that replication because I did I think it's called shared folder sync
01:19:35 ◼ ► Okay, so hold on so it's basically a Synology wrapper around our sink and I can tell you it took literally a week or two
01:19:41 ◼ ► To get everything synced across this is locally on you know on a gigabit network in my house
01:19:51 ◼ ► And I think a lot of that is because my parents have this extraordinarily weird like local ISP
01:19:56 ◼ ► And maybe we can talk about that in the after show if we don't something better, but nevertheless
01:20:10 ◼ ► Their ISP and some weirdness with like the way they're doing, you know port forwarding and things like that
01:20:22 ◼ ► Using onboard Synology software like I don't want to have to install some other weird thing
01:20:38 ◼ ► To or my between my two Synology's and then keep them in sync. What is the right answer?
01:20:48 ◼ ► I use shell photos sync locally as well because I do it like a backup of a subset of my Synology to a second Synology
01:20:56 ◼ ► Because it's like basically, you know, I don't know if it's running our sync band the covers, but it's like periodically
01:21:05 ◼ ► If you're making changes to the source drive while it's trying to copy it gets angry and it's like oh
01:21:11 ◼ ► I tried to copy but the copy failed because the file moved out of the way and it's like yeah
01:21:25 ◼ ► Backup program is to make copies to the destination and not bother me about it because of course
01:21:30 ◼ ► I'm gonna continue to add files and delete files and modify files in the source and you've just got to handle that and
01:21:34 ◼ ► Shared folder sync does not handle it gracefully now Synology has a feature. I don't know. I wish I knew the name
01:21:41 ◼ ► Maybe it's a part of hyper backup that does exactly what you want, which is I've got two Synology's
01:21:50 ◼ ► But it's not shared folder sync and it does exactly the job that you say you want to do
01:22:03 ◼ ► So go to the hyper backup thing and see if you can find me like whatever replicate my entire Synology to another Synology because that
01:22:11 ◼ ► Well if you listener have done this before with two Synology's and have tips or write up that I can follow
01:22:18 ◼ ► Please please let me know because I really want to make this work and right now it's not working
01:22:22 ◼ ► Just use just launch hyper backup. It'll be obvious Synology is just like it's the interface with a bunch of checkboxes and screens
01:22:37 ◼ ► And the thing is under the covers ideally would be great if you used a file system that supports snapshots on both the source and
01:22:51 ◼ ► I don't know if you have that level of control, but it's something worth considering especially if you haven't I mean
01:22:56 ◼ ► But like if you're willing to reformat your new one and if it's if it supports BTR FS I would use that everywhere
01:23:26 ◼ ► Synology software is not the best. I don't know what it is, but I could not and cannot figure it out
01:23:32 ◼ ► So if you have done this and it doesn't I don't necessarily care if it's a perfect live backup
01:23:38 ◼ ► Like a daily backup would be sufficient for me, but and I don't necessarily need like high availability
01:23:51 ◼ ► I just want to be able to say in a desperation scenario. Oh god, the one in my house has died
01:23:58 ◼ ► I can drive an hour. Don't be creepy and pick up the other one and bring it to my house and have
01:24:03 ◼ ► 98 percent of my data there and I don't think that's too much to ask and I gotta imagine this is all this is a
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01:26:16 ◼ ► Ask ATP, let's do it. All right, we start with Ron Olson who is also grumbling about disk related things Ron writes
01:26:27 ◼ ► I can never seem to get an accurate idea of how much disk space is left on my computer with APFS
01:26:31 ◼ ► I rarely reboot my Mac. I've noticed available disk space on my Mac's hard drive is always decreasing
01:26:37 ◼ ► I remember that this is APFS and begrudgingly reboot to discover that most if not all the disk space is magically back
01:26:43 ◼ ► I've researched this and APFS has quote free space quote quote purgeable space quote and to which I say big frickin deal
01:26:51 ◼ ► I just want to know whether I can copy the those enormous files to my machine and I can't seem to get an accurate idea either
01:27:00 ◼ ► Is there anything that will actually tell this info that anyone knows about for all of each of us pluses shortcomings?
01:27:05 ◼ ► At least I always knew how much space I had used on the disk if only to mourn its loss when HFS
01:27:16 ◼ ► like APFS supports things like snapshots and the way snapshots work is like it just takes a
01:27:23 ◼ ► As it says a point in time image of your disk and then later if you make changes like say deleting a gigantic file
01:27:30 ◼ ► The snapshot retains the space that that file was using because yeah, you deleted it and you don't see it anymore
01:27:36 ◼ ► But you have a snapshot from an hour ago and that thing still existed and the snapshot will keep that file around
01:27:45 ◼ ► You can take snapshots all day long and just the differences between the snapshots are preserved, right?
01:27:53 ◼ ► You know Mac OS is periodically taking snapshots behind the scenes whether you know it or not
01:28:00 ◼ ► You don't get the space back because that big file exists in one or more snapshots doesn't matter how many snapshots it's in
01:28:06 ◼ ► It only exists once right but like you don't get the space back because to get the space back would mean
01:28:11 ◼ ► Destroying that snapshot because that snapshot is like what your computer was like before you deleted that file and in order for that snapshot to
01:28:18 ◼ ► Exist your big files still got to be there which means it's still got to be on your disk that and
01:28:26 ◼ ► That's more of a user interface thing as far as the file systems concerned. It's all just space that's being used
01:28:32 ◼ ► We decide that snapshots are purgeable because we decide you know what if I have to ditch that snapshot I
01:28:38 ◼ ► Can because the user doesn't even know it's there and we're just using it for backup versus and yada yada
01:28:43 ◼ ► So we'll call that purgeable space. So if the operating system ever needs more disk space
01:28:49 ◼ ► I've been taking one every hour and I keep ten around if you want some more space just delete some snapshots which snapshots which one
01:28:57 ◼ ► Which deleting which snapshot will free up the most space all you'd have to dip the snapshots and see which files are unique to them
01:29:21 ◼ ► What is the truth the display can tell the truth in various ways it can show all the space used it can show
01:29:26 ◼ ► The space minus the purgeable space but whatever it shows the promise that it should be keeping is if you
01:29:38 ◼ ► Can't give you more disk space unless you delete such and such snapshots and here's how much space you would say
01:29:41 ◼ ► That would be one option or even better what it would do is ditch snapshots behind the scenes to say well
01:29:48 ◼ ► So I'm gonna have to abandon those snapshots because those snapshots are happening not because the user asked for them
01:29:53 ◼ ► But just because it's a thing that time machine does and it's a useful thing and you can save your butt if you have a file
01:29:58 ◼ ► That you didn't want to delete you can recover it but those features are not well exposed in the OS
01:30:06 ◼ ► Snapshots to give you free space what it actually does is nothing like you try to copy and it's like oh, sorry. It's not enough space
01:30:20 ◼ ► You can do it manually from the command line very very painfully and manually deleting snapshots
01:30:25 ◼ ► Everywhere you go in the Mac OS talks are like oh Mac OS will automatically purge space for you as needed but it won't I
01:30:31 ◼ ► Mean it will maybe eventually but not when you need it to and there's no good user interface with like buttons and stuff to do
01:30:40 ◼ ► Rebooting apparently triggers some process that trims back the snapshots or whatever which is why people think oh, I rebooted now
01:30:49 ◼ ► It's it's a terrible system and it's not the fault of the file system. It's the fault of the OS
01:30:57 ◼ ► Not exposed anywhere to the user people have no idea that they're even happening and no matter what they show in the free space
01:31:04 ◼ ► Well, it's in DF or in the finder or whatever. It's not useful or actionable information
01:31:10 ◼ ► So you it's like you either lying to the user and telling them they have more free space than they actually have or you're telling them
01:31:16 ◼ ► The truth and it's frustrating because I just threw out a 20 gig file and I don't have 20 gigs more of this space
01:31:24 ◼ ► Well, it turns out if I reboot now it suddenly tells me have 20 more gigs of free space. That's terrible
01:31:32 ◼ ► But if you're gonna assign blame, it's not the file system, which has lots of cool features
01:31:40 ◼ ► Use those features very well and doesn't have any sort of GUI interface to those features
01:31:44 ◼ ► I'm hesitant to recommend people look at the TM util man page because time machine is usually I think it's creating the snapshots
01:31:56 ◼ ► With TM util like you don't want to destroy your backups or accidentally delete them and sometimes deleting a snapshot can take a long time
01:32:02 ◼ ► and you have to distinguish between the snapshots that are in a time machine backup versus the local snapshots and
01:32:07 ◼ ► You have to copy and paste these really long paths with quote characters around them because they have spaces in them and it's just
01:32:16 ◼ ► Rebooting is your workaround for freeing up space and that works for you. That is definitely a safer move
01:32:26 ◼ ► We'll just all wait for the operating system to catch up with the features of the file system
01:32:33 ◼ ► Yeah, and Big Sur brings the version of time machine that in theory understands a PFS better
01:32:38 ◼ ► So I'm looking forward to that but as far as I'm aware Big Sur does not provide any GUI to
01:32:49 ◼ ► What I would want to happen is I dragged the big file over and when it says about to copy 20 gigs at that
01:32:54 ◼ ► Moment, it says well, it's not enough space. But before I throw up the dialog box, it says not enough space
01:32:58 ◼ ► Let me check if there's any that so-called purgeable space and if there is throw up a second dialog that says
01:33:04 ◼ ► Purging free space to make room for the thing that you copied and show me that progress bar
01:33:12 ◼ ► Michael Grossman writes have you considered the idea that the Mac menu bar is going to move to become window chrome this year
01:33:17 ◼ ► This is what's going to fix the active window discoverability problem in Big Sur and some others
01:33:21 ◼ ► But they couldn't show it before showing the new all interaction models touch iMac with the boom style lowering stand in the back
01:33:29 ◼ ► Michael talking about like having the menu bar within the window chrome like window style. Is that what this means? That's how I interpret it
01:33:49 ◼ ► Developer Advanced notice for that would be significant because if you're moving the menu bar into each application's active window
01:34:02 ◼ ► Appearance of every active window potentially and that's something that developers would need to adopt to over time
01:34:08 ◼ ► So they wouldn't that would be something that they would most likely do you know in the wDC?
01:34:14 ◼ ► Preview beta thing not in the fall like one week before hardware. Here's the gm version kind of thing
01:34:21 ◼ ► That's a very big change so that they wouldn't I don't know do that, but this question was also predicated on the assumption that oh
01:34:26 ◼ ► Yeah, also, they're going to have like basically a server studio style iMac where you're going to be able to touch everything on desktop and one
01:34:34 ◼ ► You know physical interface you can touch or mouse everything and I I don't think that's going to happen either. I do think it's
01:34:43 ◼ ► Although not a guarantee that all apple Silicon Macs might have touch screens. That's possible I
01:34:59 ◼ ► That are untouchable. I don't think they're ever going to make desktops have touch screens
01:35:08 ◼ ► Surface studio style iMac as a giant like drafting table or easel kind of thing where you can bring it down and start touching it
01:35:14 ◼ ► I don't I don't see that happening if they're going to have touch Macs. I think they're going to be laptops and
01:35:20 ◼ ► Even that I think is not necessarily a guarantee that that's going to happen again. I think it's possible
01:35:26 ◼ ► Maybe even likely on an infinite timescale, but I wouldn't say it's a given and I don't think they're ever going to have touch desktops
01:35:39 ◼ ► For its common keystrokes, you know for cut copy paste and like the primary modifier because that left control available for Unix
01:35:46 ◼ ► So I could have this one operating system where control is Unix land and command is Mac land
01:36:01 ◼ ► And now they have to live with it forever of not having a menu bar at the top of the screen probably because they just
01:36:06 ◼ ► Didn't want to copy Apple probably because they were too busy copying next which had a whole different notion of what to do with menu
01:36:10 ◼ ► Bars, right, but the menu bar at the top of the screen as opposed to being in every window is such a genius idea
01:36:19 ◼ ► Actually having multiple windows not making everything full screen if you make everything full screen
01:36:27 ◼ ► That's not how I use computers having the menu bar in every single one of my million windows is a huge waste of space
01:36:34 ◼ ► And of course, there's the whole Fitz law thing of it's harder to target with the mouse cursor and blah blah blah, right?
01:36:42 ◼ ► It's a waste of space to have that menu bar on the top of the screen. It's always visible taking up space
01:36:46 ◼ ► Since the years when we used to argue about that Mac OS has a feature that lets you hide the menu bar
01:36:55 ◼ ► Menu bar and window was a terrible terrible windows mistake along with using control as the main modifier key
01:37:04 ◼ ► Finally Jake Bennett young writes Marco. Do you have a target loudness which apparently is LU
01:37:11 ◼ ► I hear a large range of loudness between individual podcasts and few and few similar to a known standard
01:37:17 ◼ ► Which is music some podcasts even differ from episode to episode. I'm always riding that volume rocker
01:37:28 ◼ ► Suggest I'm so unbiased that you use overcast and that you use the voice boost feature because that is literally what it does
01:37:34 ◼ ► It is literally volume normalization to a particular target loudness now that target loudness
01:38:11 ◼ ► negative 16 and then I bring them into logic and logic is applying a very slight amount of
01:38:18 ◼ ► Compression dynamics compression two weeks track and then you know outputting it that way
01:38:22 ◼ ► So it probably boosted up a couple maybe, you know one or two more so it might hit negative 14 then
01:38:27 ◼ ► So I do think negative 16 is a good mastering level for tracks. It's it's loud, but not too loud
01:38:43 ◼ ► The built-in speaker on the iPhone just so you can get a little more volume out of the speaker
01:38:46 ◼ ► But the the standard configuration of voice boost for most cases that are not the iPhone speaker is negative 14 LU FS
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01:40:02 ◼ ► Marco you've been running recently. What's that about? Well, I wouldn't say incredibly recently
01:40:18 ◼ ► This has been in the show notes for about 11 D billion years. So that's understandable. But tell me about your running
01:40:33 ◼ ► I didn't want to do it because I hated it and didn't think I could do it because I have
01:40:39 ◼ ► Some mild asthma and didn't have incredible lung capacity for like high aerobic activity
01:40:47 ◼ ► I really I couldn't do and I thought that was it. I thought well, I just can't do running because of that and
01:41:03 ◼ ► There's a lot of convenience factors with running. There is no equipment that you need. You don't have to be in certain locations
01:41:14 ◼ ► Pretty much anywhere you are much of the year. Although certainly not all of the year if you're somewhere with winter and you have lungs
01:41:23 ◼ ► But you can you know, you can run as a casual runner in lots of conditions and you don't need and you can
01:41:33 ◼ ► Like there's all sorts of places and contexts where you can run and you don't need a whole bunch of specialty
01:41:38 ◼ ► Specialty gear in most cases. So it's a very appealing thing that this is an action. I should do it's also high aerobic activity and
01:41:46 ◼ ► I've been doing a lot of exercising and various fitness improvements over the last few years
01:41:52 ◼ ► But I didn't have that component of it really solve. I didn't do a lot of high aerobic activity
01:42:06 ◼ ► That is that has been ever since I got it like last fall. That has been my exercise of choice. I
01:42:16 ◼ ► but I'm not getting to those like super high heart rates that you can get when running and
01:42:25 ◼ ► You aren't getting to like equivalent heart rates on a rowing machine because I haven't rode in 20 years
01:42:39 ◼ ► In the sense that it is a tremendous amount of work to row with any sort of quickness or speed
01:42:52 ◼ ► Whereas when running it's like 150 like that's that's kind of where I top out. Yeah, you should row faster
01:43:12 ◼ ► But whatever unit is measured in like how many minutes it takes you to row a certain distance
01:43:30 ◼ ► I don't know. I don't know how to convert that into useful things, but that's that's my usual pace
01:43:38 ◼ ► Decided you know running is especially, you know running here at the beach is wonderful because not only is the weather really nice for much
01:43:44 ◼ ► Of the summer. I mean sometimes too hot but not only is it nice for much of the summer. It's also
01:43:59 ◼ ► decided I'm going to join TIFF this year and and learn to run and and that can be my challenge for the summer and
01:44:39 ◼ ► And again and running I wasn't able to go that fast for that reason and maybe I could build up to it if I if I
01:44:48 ◼ ► we eventually didn't run that much because this has been a much more humid summer than usual and
01:44:59 ◼ ► I'm not going to be one of those people who thinks that when I'm running somehow I'm immune to airborne viruses
01:45:10 ◼ ► leaves the mask off and then just pulls it up when I pass somebody because I'm afraid I'll forget to do that and
01:45:58 ◼ ► Becoming a runner and then I ended the summer doing a lot more rowing in the air conditioning
01:46:05 ◼ ► It's understandable, you know, it's worth noting I enjoy running I didn't for a long time
01:46:21 ◼ ► I think it was sometimes in the dead of winter. So I'd be running in like, you know underwear shorts
01:46:27 ◼ ► Sometimes like like long underpants and sweatpants, you know on the bottoms and then like three or four shirts
01:46:43 ◼ ► Running is absolutely terrible for your entire body like it is exercise, which is great
01:46:47 ◼ ► but like in terms of your joints and and in the repetitive injury of smacking the pavement like it's
01:47:07 ◼ ► Weightlifting and or aerobic stuff again in the air conditioning like you said for the most part
01:47:13 ◼ ► But yeah, I really enjoy running. It's great podcast time in when you do in the morning. It's
01:47:20 ◼ ► Particularly delightful because we don't see that many people in our neighborhood out and about I don't run with a mask because
01:47:26 ◼ ► It's extremely easy for me to avoid people. I'm on the other side of the street all of its always
01:47:32 ◼ ► And I usually only see like one or two other people when I run if that and I get the feeling that at Fire Island
01:47:37 ◼ ► It's it's not. Oh, that was that was a little bit of ops. I get the feeling that where you are
01:47:48 ◼ ► I I am inside it's funny because I'm in both in support of you running and I like the idea of it for all the reasons
01:47:54 ◼ ► That you enumerated like, you know, you can do it almost any time of year if you're willing to it doesn't require equipment
01:48:00 ◼ ► It's it's a relatively easy thing to do, you know, there's it's not conceptually difficult
01:48:09 ◼ ► I'm pretty like mostly mostly humidity in all the Californians who don't have weather are very smug right now
01:48:21 ◼ ► And first of all, I do want to disclaim that if for anybody who's gonna you know armchair train me
01:48:26 ◼ ► I appreciate that. This is not like rowing and or running are not the only for exercise I do
01:48:32 ◼ ► We've been seeing a trainer a few days a week. Usually most of the most weeks has been two days a week
01:48:42 ◼ ► we've and it's funny like we actually been doing like FaceTime sessions since before the quarantine because
01:48:52 ◼ ► We stayed with him because we like him and so we like geared up for remote exercise sessions
01:48:58 ◼ ► About three months before the quarantine and we felt like the luckiest time to people in the world for like
01:49:09 ◼ ► Like it's you still like you still can't buy like free weights and stuff. They're sold out everywhere still
01:49:13 ◼ ► But so we do like like strength training stuff for the most part and core stuff with the trainer
01:49:27 ◼ ► regimen I just have to get in some aerobic work somehow and so it can really be either thing but like
01:49:33 ◼ ► You know running I would dread every single time and hate the entire time. I'm doing it. Whereas rowing I
01:49:44 ◼ ► And so I of course you do open the laptop and that's that's where I got on my youtube watching in
01:49:52 ◼ ► you know, he's like I'm watching like, you know, CGP gray and and you know, the Wendover stuff and
01:49:58 ◼ ► Technology connections all like all my favorite YouTube channels watching all that stuff learning about
01:50:03 ◼ ► Oh, here's how airline economics and retro reflectors work as I'm like pumping the rower
01:50:08 ◼ ► It's totally fine and and it's I actually enjoy it and I can control the environment like
01:50:15 ◼ ► You know, you mentioned the California, you know jerks they have all this perfect weather all the time
01:50:20 ◼ ► well, yeah in New York, we do have some amazing weather but not every day and it's it varies a lot between all these extremes and
01:50:33 ◼ ► You can run in a wide variety of climates and you can take it if you're an amateur runner like me
01:50:53 ◼ ► It's it's quite nice. You know, you've personally got a solution to your problem for the aerobic exercise
01:51:00 ◼ ► There's something you can do no matter how humid it is and without a mask and doesn't have the impact of running and it's called
01:51:11 ◼ ► Even if it's super hot and humid you'll want to go in the water because it will cool you down
01:51:15 ◼ ► You just got to make sure you don't drown or get eaten by sharks. But other than that, it's right there for you
01:51:19 ◼ ► That's true how I will say though. There is a you know, a slight challenge with that is that the ocean
01:51:32 ◼ ► Not crowded. It's it's been extremely cradling. We haven't done a lot of ocean swimming this year because
01:51:42 ◼ ► It's a public beach anyone's welcome and therefore everyone is coming and it's a very very crowded public beach during the during like
01:51:57 ◼ ► So you get up at the crack of dawn and there's no people there or you're just walking past them
01:52:01 ◼ ► Anyway, because you're gonna go out past where the breakers are anyway to swim back and forth along the shore
01:52:05 ◼ ► It's definitely more dangerous than running but you know, yeah also beef at the crack of dawn
01:52:29 ◼ ► Like the Casey star Alan Aaron less one, but I don't like the idea of having their names up there
01:52:35 ◼ ► Especially Aaron's name. She didn't sign up for this. It's fair. It's not her fault that Casey doesn't know how to type
01:52:43 ◼ ► I know but she didn't say you use my name in the title of an episode enough. It's the price
01:53:14 ◼ ► I was gonna bring up another dumb meal that I'll cook for when it's just the kids and me
01:53:17 ◼ ► But I'm not gonna do it cuz I don't listen to the two of you wine at me. Oh, we have to hear this
01:53:21 ◼ ► Sandwich made of chocolate chip cookies surrounding marshmallow. What is them do it for the members Casey the members want this? Nope
01:53:29 ◼ ► Nope, no, you're too a jerk. No rice krispies treat salad. No, it's not that bad. Christ sakes. Good grief
01:53:42 ◼ ► The entree does not the absolutely doesn't have to tell us what it is. No, just tell us it's
01:53:51 ◼ ► You're finding a link this makes me think it's a it's a processed food product. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah
01:53:56 ◼ ► It is it is not going to surprise you at all. I'm trying the dinosaur shaped chicken tenders. No, but those are delicious
01:54:22 ◼ ► Yeah, well, no, it's CH. Yes. See but I mean basically it's rice vermicelli vermicelli. However, you pronounce it and
01:54:31 ◼ ► Cheese paste that or not. I'm sorry not paste. That's probably yeah cheese dust powder cheese dust. Yes. Oh good cheese does
01:54:41 ◼ ► The only thing better than tender rice blended with cheese is tender rice blended with four creamy cheeses now I
01:54:51 ◼ ► Besides that that are better like tender rice blended with two cheeses or three cheeses
01:54:58 ◼ ► Almost anything I eat is better than tender rice blended with cheese. Wait, I can get even better scroll to the bottom of the page
01:55:05 ◼ ► I hope it's the same for everyone rice aroni product and preparation hack. Mm-hmm. Are you prepared gentlemen?
01:55:19 ◼ ► This is the best hack ever life hack having extra guests over for dinner question mark make two boxes at once
01:55:30 ◼ ► Of why have one when you can have two or twice the price but it makes people buy more of this product
01:55:46 ◼ ► Parmesan mano and blue cheeses. Well, there's some apparently real cheese in here that contains milk cheese culture salt enzymes
01:55:54 ◼ ► Produce lactose whey corn syrup. Yeah, of course, you need corn syrup in your rice cuz why not?
01:55:59 ◼ ► Why wouldn't you onions palm oil? I mean, this is a side dish. This isn't a meal though, right?
01:56:04 ◼ ► No, it's the meal. That's the meal. That's not a this is not a complete meal for your children. Stop making them rice
01:56:13 ◼ ► Frozen vegetable like a bagged frozen vegetable on the side, but this is the star of the show
01:56:41 ◼ ► Yeah, it's so it's you're really just eating like rice in a flour and oil sauce over the seven years of this program
01:56:48 ◼ ► I think we're getting a glimpse of exactly how much of Casey's diet is processed cheese or at least processed starch
01:56:58 ◼ ► You know in yeah, this is gonna be a reference that lands for neither view but in the hunt for October particularly the book
01:57:04 ◼ ► They went on and on about how the the like sonar system that they used which was originally
01:57:10 ◼ ► Written like the software was originally written to detect like volcanoes like undersea volcanoes
01:57:15 ◼ ► They kept referring to magma displacements and the joke was that Jonesy the sonar operator said whenever the the software got confused
01:57:22 ◼ ► It would kind of run home to mama and just assume. Oh, it's got to be a magnet displacement
01:57:28 ◼ ► Yeah, but they go on and it makes a lot more sense if you read the book because they describe it a lot more
01:57:33 ◼ ► Explicitly but nevertheless I bring all that up to say I feel like when I bring up like the Velveeta in the rice-a-roni
01:57:41 ◼ ► Creamy four cheeses of the world. That's me running home to mama because my mother whom I love dearly
01:57:56 ◼ ► She has a very limited repertoire of things that are not from a box or a freezer or a can or whatever
01:58:04 ◼ ► in the woods in Connecticut and that she found it like a few days later and not a single deer had eaten it and
01:58:09 ◼ ► We have like a zillion deer around our house in Connecticut and not a one of them would touch this meatloaf
01:58:20 ◼ ► There were other animals too, but no your raccoons should have eaten it exactly but no your point is fair
01:58:25 ◼ ► But the point I'm driving at though is that I feel like this is me running home to the figurative and literal mama because this
01:58:30 ◼ ► Is the sort of thing that that not I I mean I grew up with in the sense that it was part of the repertoire
01:58:37 ◼ ► 98% of the cooking in the house and she makes legitimate healthy meals all the time like tonight we had