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00:00:00 ◼   ► It's the special episode time. I was doing a special episode of, uh, rectives.

00:00:04 ◼   ► What was the topic?

00:00:05 ◼   ► I don't know. What the hell is the topic ever on that show?

00:00:08 ◼   ► Your libido.

00:00:10 ◼   ► A mosquito.

00:00:11 ◼   ► Your libido.

00:00:12 ◼   ► Yep.

00:00:14 ◼   ► That was Smells Like Team Spirit, for those keeping track.

00:00:17 ◼   ► Smells Like Team Spirit was a band.

00:00:20 ◼   ► No, what? What?

00:00:22 ◼   ► Uh, it was a song by the band Nirvana.

00:00:24 ◼   ► I'm aware of the song.

00:00:26 ◼   ► Yeah, and in that song there were lyrics that rhymed a lot and I said one of them and that was a reference

00:00:31 ◼   ► John is explaining Nirvana to us. I've made the reference you had no reaction then I explained the reference came from still no reactions

00:00:38 ◼   ► I feel like I have to go deeper. I didn't think it was funny enough to react to

00:00:42 ◼   ► Music is like a series of sounds that people find pleasing

00:00:45 ◼   ► How this episode is gonna go is this how it's gonna start?

00:00:51 ◼   ► It is August. We just recorded a show two days ago and we're recording again due to this time is my vacation schedule for once

00:00:58 ◼   ► Nothing really has happened

00:01:00 ◼   ► I mean if some some things have happened like in the world

00:01:03 ◼   ► But nothing really has happened in tech with the exception that we have some Twitter update. That's kind of interesting. But other than that

00:01:09 ◼   ► What else is going on? Can we can we dig a little deeper in this vacation thing you speak of?

00:01:15 ◼   ► How do you know whether or not you're on vacation just whether or not you wake up in your own bed? Oh

00:01:21 ◼   ► Wow, yeah, that is how this episode is gonna be that yeah. Yeah. So let me rephrase by saying I'll be out of town

00:01:28 ◼   ► So, yes, I will be out of town next week

00:01:36 ◼   ► Are you taking Adam with you? Cuz that's how you can tell right actually, yeah, that's true

00:01:40 ◼   ► And the whole family is going including Adam and Hobbs. Oh

00:01:44 ◼   ► Ed hops Oh interest and hops. Yeah. All right all kitty aside. Are you willing to share where you're going?

00:01:49 ◼   ► or would you rather keep that close to the vest?

00:01:51 ◼   ► - We're going to the beach,

00:01:52 ◼   ► just like what everyone else does.

00:01:54 ◼   ► We figure it's not hot enough here.

00:01:56 ◼   ► We need to go somewhere a little bit hotter.

00:01:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, I can tell you all about hot these days.

00:01:59 ◼   ► Actually, today wasn't terrible.

00:02:00 ◼   ► It was only about 90, 95,

00:02:02 ◼   ► and I don't know what that is in Celsius

00:02:03 ◼   ► because I believe in units that make sense.

00:02:05 ◼   ► Anyway, we should probably start with some follow-up

00:02:07 ◼   ► now that I've given everyone at least a little bit of grief.

00:02:10 ◼   ► Mark would just drop to hints a second ago.

00:02:12 ◼   ► Twitter has enabled the quality filter for everyone,

00:02:16 ◼   ► and as far as we can tell,

00:02:18 ◼   ► It's the same quality filter that verified users get.

00:02:20 ◼   ► But I don't think Marco and I noticed this,

00:02:23 ◼   ► but we have just confirmed it.

00:02:25 ◼   ► I think John is the one that noticed this.

00:02:27 ◼   ► It is on by default, which is super interesting

00:02:30 ◼   ► and not the case for verified users.

00:02:33 ◼   ► So verified users who have not turned this on,

00:02:35 ◼   ► they wouldn't have this on.

00:02:38 ◼   ► And Marco looked at the Overcast account, which is verified,

00:02:41 ◼   ► and your quality filter is not on, is that correct?

00:02:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, basically, like if you had the setting before,

00:02:47 ◼   ► it will keep your setting, even if you never touched it.

00:02:50 ◼   ► So it's not like a triple state,

00:02:52 ◼   ► like one, zero, or null kind of thing,

00:02:54 ◼   ► where null would just be the default.

00:02:56 ◼   ► It's not that.

00:02:57 ◼   ► It's actually like if you had it before

00:02:59 ◼   ► and you didn't set it, you have it off now.

00:03:01 ◼   ► And it doesn't really matter.

00:03:02 ◼   ► Anyway, so this is great news,

00:03:04 ◼   ► because this is exactly what we were complaining about

00:03:07 ◼   ► last episode and last time we talked about this also.

00:03:09 ◼   ► Why wouldn't you have this available for everybody?

00:03:12 ◼   ► And last episode, I even said,

00:03:15 ◼   ► I'd even go as far as to say

00:03:16 ◼   ► that they should be on by default.

00:03:18 ◼   ► And when I was saying that, I had no hope

00:03:21 ◼   ► that they would actually ever do this.

00:03:24 ◼   ► Both making the feature available for everybody

00:03:26 ◼   ► and also making it on by default,

00:03:28 ◼   ► either of those things would have shocked me.

00:03:30 ◼   ► So to have them both happen,

00:03:32 ◼   ► and for them to both happen very quickly,

00:03:34 ◼   ► it's a pretty major step.

00:03:36 ◼   ► And first of all, it's a little bit of a slap in the face

00:03:38 ◼   ► that apparently there was no reason really

00:03:41 ◼   ► why they couldn't have done this for everybody already,

00:03:43 ◼   ► like before this, but okay.

00:03:45 ◼   ► Well, let's set that aside for now.

00:03:47 ◼   ► We have it now.

00:03:48 ◼   ► So, positive thoughts, we have it now.

00:03:51 ◼   ► This is very good, this is way better than I expected.

00:03:53 ◼   ► This is a sign that maybe Twitter is starting to take

00:03:57 ◼   ► their abuse problems and their trolling problems

00:04:00 ◼   ► and their just general jerkiness problems.

00:04:02 ◼   ► Maybe they're starting to take that a little more seriously.

00:04:04 ◼   ► And honestly, maybe not.

00:04:06 ◼   ► This could be just like an easy quick fix

00:04:09 ◼   ► they just threw out there because they had it ready.

00:04:11 ◼   ► But even doing this is a big step.

00:04:13 ◼   ► And if it bodes well for future steps in this direction,

00:04:17 ◼   ► additional steps in this direction, that's good too.

00:04:20 ◼   ► So I'm hopeful about it.

00:04:22 ◼   ► I'm a little bit reserved on that,

00:04:24 ◼   ► but I'm hopeful that Twitter is starting

00:04:26 ◼   ► to really care about this problem

00:04:28 ◼   ► and take steps to improve their service for everybody

00:04:31 ◼   ► and not just celebrities.

00:04:33 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:04:34 ◼   ► John, your thoughts?

00:04:35 ◼   ► - The verified thing is still out there,

00:04:37 ◼   ► like the idea that if you have an account

00:04:39 ◼   ► that frequently people are impersonating you

00:04:41 ◼   ► and stirring things up by tweeting things

00:04:43 ◼   ► that pretend to be you, that people then

00:04:45 ◼   ► retweet and screenshot and think you said and come back.

00:04:48 ◼   ► You know, like the whole idea of verifying that, yes, I

00:04:51 ◼   ► am really the person with this name and this picture

00:04:56 ◼   ► and all these attributes, that should still be open,

00:04:59 ◼   ► even though the quality filter is open to everybody.

00:05:01 ◼   ► So there's still a ways to go with that.

00:05:02 ◼   ► And like the quality filter, it's the type of thing

00:05:05 ◼   ► where they totally could.

00:05:06 ◼   ► Like, the feature already exists.

00:05:08 ◼   ► In some ways, it's easier to enable for everybody.

00:05:10 ◼   ► In some ways it's harder because there is that human component of verifying your identity

00:05:14 ◼   ► or whatever.

00:05:15 ◼   ► And as we said in the past, find charge money for it or something like that.

00:05:18 ◼   ► But verification continues to be the app store of Twitter where rejections don't make any

00:05:25 ◼   ► sense and no one can figure it out and it's all mysterious.

00:05:28 ◼   ► Recently the ATP FM account got rejected for verification.

00:05:32 ◼   ► And I saw a couple other puzzling rejections.

00:05:35 ◼   ► But on the other hand, other people are getting verified so no one knows how it works.

00:05:39 ◼   ► Anyway, I guess that's the next stepping stone in.

00:05:42 ◼   ► Easy things Twitter could have done

00:05:43 ◼   ► a long time ago but didn't.

00:05:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, and also, to give them credit also,

00:05:48 ◼   ► the whole verified status is problematic,

00:05:52 ◼   ► as we've discussed before, and one of my core arguments

00:05:55 ◼   ► about verified being a problem was it was more okay

00:06:00 ◼   ► when it was only about identity verification,

00:06:03 ◼   ► and it starts becoming increasingly problematic

00:06:06 ◼   ► as features or status are tied to it.

00:06:09 ◼   ► And so what they've done here is they've just removed

00:06:12 ◼   ► a major feature that was exclusive to verified people before

00:06:16 ◼   ► and they made that available for everybody.

00:06:17 ◼   ► So it has taken a big chunk out of the problem.

00:06:20 ◼   ► The problems are still there.

00:06:22 ◼   ► There are still lots of other problems with verified status

00:06:24 ◼   ► being what it is and bringing what it does

00:06:26 ◼   ► and having this weird inconsistent

00:06:28 ◼   ► subjective review process.

00:06:30 ◼   ► But removing a major feature of it as an exclusive

00:06:33 ◼   ► and making it available to everybody

00:06:35 ◼   ► is a big step in the right direction.

00:06:37 ◼   ► - Yep, that sounds excellent.

00:06:39 ◼   ► John, you are poorer in the last few days

00:06:43 ◼   ► than you were the few days prior.

00:06:44 ◼   ► Would you like to tell us about that?

00:06:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, I finally bought a camera.

00:06:47 ◼   ► I know we had lots of discussions about it on past shows.

00:06:51 ◼   ► No big surprise, I bought the camera

00:06:52 ◼   ► that we've been talking about,

00:06:54 ◼   ► the camera that I had tested for a week.

00:06:56 ◼   ► The camera was pretty much a no-brainer for me,

00:06:59 ◼   ► 'cause like, and as many people,

00:07:01 ◼   ► as soon as I mentioned cameras,

00:07:02 ◼   ► all the camera people wrote in

00:07:03 ◼   ► to tell me all the different cameras that they like,

00:07:04 ◼   ► And it was good to hear different people's stories about what they liked about their

00:07:07 ◼   ► camera.

00:07:08 ◼   ► Some people were trying to sell me a Micro Four Thirds, some people were trying to sell

00:07:10 ◼   ► me on the APS-C Fugees and the availability of lenses and how cheap they are and how good

00:07:15 ◼   ► quality they are.

00:07:17 ◼   ► Lots of different arguments on all sides, but the Sony is the devil I know sort of and

00:07:23 ◼   ► it has several attributes that I really like specifically in terms of first photos for

00:07:27 ◼   ► action shots and how good it is at finding focus very quickly.

00:07:31 ◼   ► We should point out once again you have again failed to mention the model number.

00:07:34 ◼   ► is the Sony a6300 right? I mentioned that before yes. Not on this episode I was sitting

00:07:40 ◼   ► here waiting to add it to the show notes waiting and waiting and waiting. You guys should both

00:07:44 ◼   ► already know it already yeah and the small size because a lot of the other APS-C cameras

00:07:49 ◼   ► like oh it's also an APS-C but the Sony's are really very small and that that accounts

00:07:53 ◼   ► for how I want to use it because I'm not quite ready to sign up for the big giant camera.

00:07:57 ◼   ► Sony lenses are the situation is not as great as other cameras I acknowledge that so that

00:08:01 ◼   ► my most difficult part. I knew I was going to get the body. I got the body without any

00:08:05 ◼   ► lenses. I knew I didn't want the kit lens because I had it and it's not great. And so

00:08:08 ◼   ► I had to decide what I was going to get. The easiest and the first lens purchase I got

00:08:13 ◼   ► was the 50mm 1.8 that Sony sells because I had rented that. I'd used it. I'd usually

00:08:19 ◼   ► take pictures of people's faces indoors with low light and I've gotten a lot of good pictures

00:08:23 ◼   ► out of it and I really liked it. And yes, as many people point out, 50mm is a little

00:08:27 ◼   ► bit close. You have to back up a lot to get people framed the right way in an indoor environment.

00:08:32 ◼   ► But that's somewhat problematic. But the thing is, oh, two parts of this. One, the Sony 35 and

00:08:38 ◼   ► the other 35s I saw were all not as good lenses as the 50 in terms of optical quality and if it has

00:08:46 ◼   ► stabilization and all these other things. So the 50 was the, they were not as good lenses and they

00:08:50 ◼   ► cost similar amounts. So you're gonna spend $350 for a worse 35 millimeter. I'd rather spend that

00:08:54 ◼   ► $350 on a better 50. And the second part is I like to get candid shots. I don't like pose

00:09:00 ◼   ► shots that much. And having a little bit of extra zoom, even indoors, lets you get a nice

00:09:05 ◼   ► good head and shoulders portrait of someone laughing in a natural way when they don't

00:09:10 ◼   ► know you're taking a picture if you're not right in their face. So I like the 50, even

00:09:14 ◼   ► if it is slightly challenging in some situations. And I really like the pictures that come out

00:09:18 ◼   ► of it. And then the next one I got, and I waffled in this for a long time, but I eventually

00:09:23 ◼   ► pull the trigger is the really flat 20mm pancake lens, which is not a great lens and it's pretty

00:09:30 ◼   ► expensive for what you get.

00:09:31 ◼   ► But in the end I had to say, look, you can't argue with the size.

00:09:35 ◼   ► It makes the camera much smaller, much lighter.

00:09:37 ◼   ► And it's not a bad lens, it's just not probably worth the money I paid for it, but I got that.

00:09:42 ◼   ► And I also got a bunch of lens protectors, which is not a thing that I had thought about

00:09:45 ◼   ► before, but I read a couple articles and I'm like, "Oh, you should always get a lens protector."

00:09:47 ◼   ► And they're like, "You know what?

00:09:48 ◼   ► It is easier to clean a lens protector than it is to clean a lens."

00:09:51 ◼   ► I imagine if there's dirt on lens protector,

00:09:53 ◼   ► that's worse than if there's dirt on the lens,

00:09:54 ◼   ► so maybe I'll come to regret this, but they're cheap.

00:09:57 ◼   ► So I bought 'em, and I'm gonna give that a go.

00:10:00 ◼   ► And I've been taking pictures,

00:10:01 ◼   ► just trying to find excuses to take pictures

00:10:03 ◼   ► with the stuff around the house and everything.

00:10:05 ◼   ► I've been playing with the eye auto focus on this.

00:10:09 ◼   ► Do you have that assigned to one of the buttons

00:10:10 ◼   ► on your camera, Marco?

00:10:12 ◼   ► - I have not assigned to a button.

00:10:13 ◼   ► My camera does have the eye focus.

00:10:15 ◼   ► I tried it for a few days up front.

00:10:18 ◼   ► I ended up turning it off because sometimes,

00:10:21 ◼   ► like most autofocus systems,

00:10:24 ◼   ► if you're holding the trigger button down

00:10:27 ◼   ► and it doesn't have focus,

00:10:29 ◼   ► it'll wait until it does have focus

00:10:30 ◼   ► before it shoots the picture.

00:10:32 ◼   ► And there were a couple of instances where I missed a shot

00:10:35 ◼   ► that I could have gotten because it had focused distance wise

00:10:40 ◼   ► but it had not found the eye in time.

00:10:42 ◼   ► And it was just like a second too late finding the eye

00:10:44 ◼   ► and that made me miss a shot.

00:10:46 ◼   ► So I turned it off and I haven't experimented with it

00:10:48 ◼   ► since then, that was a long time ago,

00:10:50 ◼   ► and there have been a number of firmware updates since then,

00:10:52 ◼   ► so maybe I should try it, but.

00:10:53 ◼   ► - So mine and probably yours as well,

00:10:55 ◼   ► you can adjust that of like, what has priority?

00:10:58 ◼   ► Should I take the picture when you push the button

00:10:59 ◼   ► or should I not take the picture until you have focus?

00:11:01 ◼   ► And there's like three or four settings in that range.

00:11:04 ◼   ► The extremes of the range are, look,

00:11:05 ◼   ► when I press the button, take the picture,

00:11:06 ◼   ► regardless of whether you have focus,

00:11:07 ◼   ► and the other extreme is never take the picture

00:11:09 ◼   ► until you have focus.

00:11:10 ◼   ► And the other thing with iAutoFocus,

00:11:12 ◼   ► it's weird on this camera 'cause there's,

00:11:13 ◼   ► it's not assigned to anything by default,

00:11:15 ◼   ► so you wouldn't even know the feature existed

00:11:16 ◼   ► unless you custom assigned it to a button,

00:11:18 ◼   ► and I assigned it to a button that you have to hold down.

00:11:20 ◼   ► So I'm half holding the shutter,

00:11:21 ◼   ► and then my thumb is pressing the eye auto focus.

00:11:24 ◼   ► And if it doesn't find an eye,

00:11:25 ◼   ► I just let go and go back to regular portrait thing.

00:11:28 ◼   ► 'Cause you can tell the green circles on their face,

00:11:29 ◼   ► it's in like, I found a face,

00:11:31 ◼   ► I'm gonna take a picture of it.

00:11:32 ◼   ► But if I push down the little eye auto focus thing,

00:11:35 ◼   ► if it doesn't immediately find an eye,

00:11:37 ◼   ► then I'm like, all right, we'll forget about that.

00:11:38 ◼   ► But if it does immediately find an eye,

00:11:40 ◼   ► and I keep that held down,

00:11:40 ◼   ► it will track that eyeball as the person moves.

00:11:42 ◼   ► It's pretty amazing.

00:11:44 ◼   ► And the other feature of this camera,

00:11:45 ◼   ► I find hilarious, again, you're probably hesitant too, is facial recognition and ranking.

00:11:51 ◼   ► So you take small pictures of everyone in your family, like their face, looking at the

00:11:55 ◼   ► camera, and the camera remembers them.

00:11:57 ◼   ► And if all three of them are in the frame, it will prioritize them in the order that

00:12:01 ◼   ► you select of who's going to be in focus.

00:12:03 ◼   ► Wow.

00:12:04 ◼   ► It's pretty grim when you think about it.

00:12:05 ◼   ► It's like, "Sorry, sorry, second child, you're not as important."

00:12:08 ◼   ► You have to pick an order, right?

00:12:09 ◼   ► But if you think about it, it's actually, you shouldn't think about it in terms of taking

00:12:12 ◼   ► pictures of your family.

00:12:13 ◼   ► Think about it like taking a picture of like you go on a trip to New York City and you

00:12:16 ◼   ► want to take a picture of your kid on a New York City street.

00:12:18 ◼   ► It won't accidentally grab focus on a stranger who's walking by, right?

00:12:22 ◼   ► It will always prioritize your kid looking at you and never accidentally grab focus on

00:12:26 ◼   ► someone else.

00:12:27 ◼   ► So lots of cool software-based features that are all really fast and really good.

00:12:31 ◼   ► That's probably why this thing eats batteries.

00:12:34 ◼   ► And so yeah, I really am happy with the body of the camera.

00:12:37 ◼   ► The lens situation is a little grim.

00:12:39 ◼   ► gonna rent a zoom for my wife's vacation and if we like it we'll probably buy it but no

00:12:47 ◼   ► zooms out there are calling out to me in terms of price performance.

00:12:51 ◼   ► I think what I'll end up with is a way too expensive like that 17 to whatever it is 17

00:12:56 ◼   ► to 70 thing that's not a great lens but it's very compact and very versatile and then maybe

00:13:03 ◼   ► something with like a 300 millimeter range that's just actually a crappy camera but just

00:13:07 ◼   ► gives the max zoom range on it.

00:13:08 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:13:09 ◼   ► Anyway, I think I bought enough camera crap for a while,

00:13:11 ◼   ► so it's all sitting here on my desk.

00:13:12 ◼   ► And I'm taking pictures of,

00:13:15 ◼   ► mostly taking pictures of my family playing Pokemon Go,

00:13:17 ◼   ► 'cause that's what they do when we're all home,

00:13:18 ◼   ► is they'll go out for walks and capture Pokemon

00:13:22 ◼   ► and taking pictures in the supermarket

00:13:24 ◼   ► and generally being annoying to all my kids

00:13:25 ◼   ► and just trying out the camera.

00:13:26 ◼   ► But it's lots of fun, I'm happy with it.

00:13:28 ◼   ► And like I said, in three or four years,

00:13:30 ◼   ► I'll just buy a full frame camera.

00:13:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, so a couple of notes.

00:13:33 ◼   ► First of all, good call on the pancake lens,

00:13:36 ◼   ► the 20 millimeter pancake.

00:13:38 ◼   ► I wish that lens was available in full frame, but it's not.

00:13:41 ◼   ► So I can't really use it.

00:13:43 ◼   ► But for our 5D Mark IIs that we've had as our big camera

00:13:47 ◼   ► for a long time, ever since they came out

00:13:49 ◼   ► until I got this camera, a couple years back

00:13:52 ◼   ► when it came out, we got the Canon 40 millimeter EF pancake.

00:13:55 ◼   ► And that is a great lens, and it's like 150 bucks.

00:13:58 ◼   ► And it's a really good quality lens,

00:14:00 ◼   ► and it's incredibly small.

00:14:01 ◼   ► And the effect that a very small light lens has

00:14:05 ◼   ► on the way your camera feels and how you handle it,

00:14:09 ◼   ► where you bring it, how often you bring it,

00:14:11 ◼   ► it's a massive difference.

00:14:13 ◼   ► And so I strongly suggest if anybody has a camera

00:14:17 ◼   ► and you don't have any really small pancake

00:14:20 ◼   ► or pancake-like lenses, just get one and try it

00:14:23 ◼   ► because you will bring your camera more places,

00:14:25 ◼   ► you'll be amazed how much of a difference it makes.

00:14:29 ◼   ► If you have a Canon, I think they recently made

00:14:31 ◼   ► a second pancake, I haven't been paying

00:14:33 ◼   ► that much attention.

00:14:34 ◼   ► I think there's a wider angle one,

00:14:36 ◼   ► like somewhere in the 20s,

00:14:37 ◼   ► but there's the 40 millimeter pancake that's fantastic,

00:14:40 ◼   ► and whatever pancake lenses have become popular

00:14:43 ◼   ► in the last five years or so,

00:14:44 ◼   ► so whatever system you have,

00:14:47 ◼   ► look for the pancake lens in a somewhat wide focal length

00:14:51 ◼   ► and use it, and you'll be very surprised how good it is,

00:14:55 ◼   ► and how easy it is to carry your camera around with it.

00:14:58 ◼   ► And in fact, for that reason, my camera,

00:15:00 ◼   ► Like I have the 35 2.8 prime, the 55 1.8,

00:15:05 ◼   ► and the 90 macro in the Sony FE line.

00:15:09 ◼   ► And I almost always have the 35 millimeter 2.8 on there

00:15:14 ◼   ► because it is just so small.

00:15:15 ◼   ► And it is not a pancake lens.

00:15:17 ◼   ► It is not quite that short distance-wise,

00:15:21 ◼   ► but it is still very small.

00:15:24 ◼   ► And just the difference that makes on how the camera feels

00:15:28 ◼   ► is just immense, I've been saying.

00:15:29 ◼   ► So definitely get a pancake lens if you can.

00:15:32 ◼   ► Secondly, I will point out also that I'm kind of surprised

00:15:37 ◼   ► you picked this camera based on our discussions

00:15:39 ◼   ► because for what you wanted, which is like,

00:15:43 ◼   ► you basically wanted a super zoom replacement,

00:15:46 ◼   ► and this isn't that.

00:15:48 ◼   ► Sony has the RX10 and there's many other brands

00:15:51 ◼   ► that have super zooms as well,

00:15:53 ◼   ► many of which are very good.

00:15:54 ◼   ► And all of our listeners wrote in to say

00:15:56 ◼   ► that the micro four thirds,

00:15:59 ◼   ► and I think some people might have pointed out Fuji X

00:16:02 ◼   ► for this attribute as well,

00:16:03 ◼   ► but especially micro four thirds

00:16:05 ◼   ► was very good for zoom lenses

00:16:07 ◼   ► because of the smaller sensors

00:16:08 ◼   ► and therefore being able to have smaller lenses

00:16:11 ◼   ► and less complex lenses for big zoom reach.

00:16:15 ◼   ► So I am kind of surprised you didn't go with that

00:16:17 ◼   ► for that reason.

00:16:18 ◼   ► All these systems have these different pluses and minuses

00:16:20 ◼   ► as we've discussed.

00:16:22 ◼   ► Micro four thirds really excels in things

00:16:24 ◼   ► being generally a little bit cheaper,

00:16:26 ◼   ► Lenses being a little bit cheaper,

00:16:28 ◼   ► a lot more lens choice 'cause they've just been around

00:16:30 ◼   ► for so long and so many different brands

00:16:31 ◼   ► make the lenses for it.

00:16:33 ◼   ► Sony really excels in sensor quality

00:16:36 ◼   ► and recently in focus advances,

00:16:39 ◼   ► autofocus advances in mirrorless.

00:16:41 ◼   ► But overall, Sony really especially excels

00:16:44 ◼   ► in having really amazing sensors,

00:16:46 ◼   ► getting lots of megapixels with very low noise

00:16:49 ◼   ► and incredible dynamic range being able to be captured.

00:16:52 ◼   ► Sony just kicks butt in that area.

00:16:54 ◼   ► and where Sony falls short is some of the kind of pro-e

00:16:59 ◼   ► type handling stuff and also zoom lenses in particular.

00:17:05 ◼   ► The primes that are available for Sony cameras,

00:17:08 ◼   ► especially the full frame ones, are generally amazing.

00:17:11 ◼   ► They're a little expensive, but they're generally amazing.

00:17:13 ◼   ► Zooms have always been Sony's weak point.

00:17:16 ◼   ► The Sony lineup has had fairly mediocre zoom lenses

00:17:20 ◼   ► in it most of the time.

00:17:21 ◼   ► There's now, very recently, there's been a couple

00:17:24 ◼   ► of extremely high-end ones that are huge, heavy,

00:17:26 ◼   ► and very expensive in the new Sony G Master line,

00:17:29 ◼   ► but basically everything below that

00:17:31 ◼   ► has been really hit or miss, mostly miss.

00:17:34 ◼   ► So I am a little bit surprised you picked it,

00:17:36 ◼   ► given all that.

00:17:37 ◼   ► - Well, so like I said, I looked at Super Zooms first

00:17:40 ◼   ► before I was even considering all this better camera thing,

00:17:43 ◼   ► 'cause that's all my wife's thing,

00:17:44 ◼   ► like hey, she wants a better camera, right?

00:17:46 ◼   ► I was just like, well, my Super Zoom's getting kinda old,

00:17:48 ◼   ► maybe look at another one,

00:17:49 ◼   ► and I looked at all the Super Zooms that are out there,

00:17:51 ◼   ► and they all seemed like worse overall than my camera.

00:17:55 ◼   ► Like they were better in many ways,

00:17:56 ◼   ► but also worse in ways that I didn't like.

00:17:58 ◼   ► Either the zoom wasn't as big or like the RX 10,

00:18:00 ◼   ► like that thing is gigantic.

00:18:01 ◼   ► Do you realize how big that is?

00:18:02 ◼   ► It is huge.

00:18:03 ◼   ► And again, that was one of my things.

00:18:04 ◼   ► I didn't want it to be too big.

00:18:06 ◼   ► I didn't want to spend $1,500

00:18:08 ◼   ► for a non interchangeable lens camera.

00:18:11 ◼   ► It just seemed weird to me.

00:18:12 ◼   ► And, you know, I still have my Panasonic.

00:18:15 ◼   ► It still works.

00:18:16 ◼   ► I can still use it.

00:18:17 ◼   ► But the thing that was the real convincer

00:18:19 ◼   ► and the, you know, the reason I'm glad I did this

00:18:20 ◼   ► I rented it and I took it for the one time of year I take the most pictures.

00:18:24 ◼   ► I take pictures throughout the year, probably not as much as I should, but when we go on

00:18:28 ◼   ► our vacation to Long Island, I take literally thousands of pictures.

00:18:32 ◼   ► That is the most pictures I take all year in the most demanding circumstances of the

00:18:35 ◼   ► most different people in the most different environments.

00:18:38 ◼   ► And the super zoom for the waves thing, taking pictures in the waves, like I said, I brought

00:18:42 ◼   ► both cameras to the beach, used the super zoom a lot, but by the end of the trip, even

00:18:45 ◼   ► when we were at the ocean, I was using this camera.

00:18:47 ◼   ► And yeah, I couldn't get up as close and it probably helps that the days that I was doing

00:18:51 ◼   ► it to the beach that the surf was in close.

00:18:53 ◼   ► So maybe it would have been different if it was farther away.

00:18:54 ◼   ► But like I said, I still had the other camera.

00:18:56 ◼   ► And even with these things zoomed out, I was happier with the zoomed out pictures from

00:19:00 ◼   ► this camera that I could crop with the crappy zoom lens that I rented.

00:19:03 ◼   ► Like I didn't rent a very expensive zoom lens, like a $400 zoom lens or something.

00:19:09 ◼   ► And the range on it was, you know, half to a third of what it is on the super zoom.

00:19:13 ◼   ► And still this came out ahead.

00:19:14 ◼   ► And as I said, the reason I don't want to get expensive cameras, once you take pictures

00:19:17 ◼   ► indoors without a flash with a decent camera, like you can't go back to the other way.

00:19:22 ◼   ► That's why I don't like to hold Marco's cameras.

00:19:24 ◼   ► It's depressing.

00:19:25 ◼   ► You know, you don't want to think about it like, and that's why I don't want to go Marco

00:19:28 ◼   ► 4/3.

00:19:29 ◼   ► It's like the whole reason I'm spending money is I want a bigger sensor that can get more

00:19:32 ◼   ► light.

00:19:33 ◼   ► And yes, that means the lenses are going to be more expensive and I could get better zoom

00:19:36 ◼   ► lenses for the micro 4/3.

00:19:37 ◼   ► It was like, this is what I want.

00:19:38 ◼   ► I want, I want a big sensor.

00:19:40 ◼   ► I want pictures that I couldn't take with any other camera.

00:19:44 ◼   ► Can't take with my iPhone, can't take with my SuperZoom because there's just not enough

00:19:47 ◼   ► light.

00:19:48 ◼   ► And this is what that gives me.

00:19:49 ◼   ► And can I use it for all of my Zoom things for that one week a year when I need Zoom?

00:19:54 ◼   ► The answer is apparently yes.

00:19:55 ◼   ► Like it's a different set of compromises.

00:19:57 ◼   ► But I do take pictures indoors and other things when I'm on vacation.

00:20:00 ◼   ► And like, you know, the proof is in the pudding.

00:20:02 ◼   ► I had both cameras there.

00:20:03 ◼   ► I use both of them.

00:20:04 ◼   ► And like if you watch the ratio by the last trip to the ocean, it was like, I'm not even

00:20:07 ◼   ► taking that one out of the bag.

00:20:08 ◼   ► I'm just gonna use this one for everything just because everything was so much better about it except for the zoom. So

00:20:12 ◼   ► You know, so I'll keep that I'll keep my out for super zooms

00:20:15 ◼   ► I don't rule out like later if they make if Panasonic for example makes another camera like mine that is just

00:20:21 ◼   ► Updated in all the ways but maybe even a little bit more compact and maybe optically a little bit better over the same zoom range

00:20:27 ◼   ► I'll probably buy it right because those are cheap

00:20:29 ◼   ► They're like, you know, six or seven hundred dollars compared to you know, these interchangeable lens cameras or things a billion dollars

00:20:34 ◼   ► So I'm pretty happy with it.

00:20:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, you'll pay that much for a good zoom lens

00:20:38 ◼   ► at least on the camera you have now.

00:20:41 ◼   ► - Way more than that.

00:20:41 ◼   ► For a crappy zoom lens with a short range is a thousand bucks.

00:20:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly.

00:20:45 ◼   ► - So it's rough.

00:20:47 ◼   ► And I'm just thinking about like day to day,

00:20:49 ◼   ► I think this will make me take more pictures,

00:20:51 ◼   ► just normal stuff of like my family, you know,

00:20:54 ◼   ► around the house and going out and taking walks and stuff,

00:20:57 ◼   ► because I'm not gonna attach a big zoom.

00:20:58 ◼   ► We'll probably just have the little pancake on there,

00:21:00 ◼   ► but it's nice when we go out like after school

00:21:02 ◼   ► and after dinner when it's kind of dusk and it's dark,

00:21:05 ◼   ► that I can actually get usable pictures

00:21:06 ◼   ► of my family walking under the street lights

00:21:10 ◼   ► with this camera without a flash.

00:21:12 ◼   ► And that just wasn't, there wasn't an environment

00:21:14 ◼   ► where I would take any pictures before.

00:21:15 ◼   ► I wouldn't try my phone and I wouldn't bring my SuperZoom

00:21:17 ◼   ► because the SuperZoom is actually,

00:21:19 ◼   ► it's not heavier than this,

00:21:20 ◼   ► but physically dimension-wise it's bigger than this camera

00:21:23 ◼   ► with the pancake lens on it, right?

00:21:25 ◼   ► So I feel like this is a good compromise for me now

00:21:28 ◼   ► and I'm sure I'll learn a lot using it.

00:21:30 ◼   ► and then we'll see where we go from here.

00:21:33 ◼   ► - I think these days, so many photographic needs

00:21:36 ◼   ► are solved so well by just your iPhone,

00:21:39 ◼   ► and the progress that iPhone cameras have made

00:21:42 ◼   ► has been so remarkable, but the areas that they will

00:21:46 ◼   ► never be able to match standalone cameras are in

00:21:50 ◼   ► are areas where you just need a large, advanced,

00:21:53 ◼   ► and expensive sensor.

00:21:55 ◼   ► iPhones have a lot of constraints on that camera.

00:21:58 ◼   ► Obviously, size is the most obvious one,

00:21:59 ◼   ► but also cost is a big one.

00:22:01 ◼   ► That camera module, the entire camera module

00:22:03 ◼   ► has to cost, what, like 30 bucks or something?

00:22:04 ◼   ► I forget what the component breakdowns show it as,

00:22:06 ◼   ► but it's somewhere in that range.

00:22:08 ◼   ► It's not a ton of money that goes into that.

00:22:11 ◼   ► And so you have no space, you have very little money,

00:22:15 ◼   ► and you have people to mass produce a ton of them.

00:22:17 ◼   ► That's always gonna be more limited

00:22:19 ◼   ► than what you can sell in a dedicated high-end camera

00:22:22 ◼   ► for $1,000.

00:22:23 ◼   ► Like that can have this big body around it

00:22:26 ◼   ► and have this big sensor that's way bigger

00:22:28 ◼   ► than the phone sensor and have this giant lens

00:22:29 ◼   ► taking off the front of it, giant relative to phone sensors.

00:22:33 ◼   ► And phones are gonna always be able to have

00:22:35 ◼   ► more advanced processing and software

00:22:38 ◼   ► and tricks they can do with the software

00:22:40 ◼   ► to make up for some of these shortcomings

00:22:43 ◼   ► that they have in their just tiny little cheap optics.

00:22:46 ◼   ► However, I think one area where they are always

00:22:49 ◼   ► going to struggle against big cameras

00:22:51 ◼   ► is in low light sensitivity,

00:22:54 ◼   ► and in dynamic range a little bit too,

00:22:56 ◼   ► but especially low light sensitivity

00:22:57 ◼   ► just because that is something where

00:22:58 ◼   ► the physics are just working so much against them.

00:23:01 ◼   ► And that's probably never gonna change

00:23:03 ◼   ► 'cause phones are never going to become these,

00:23:05 ◼   ► you know, two-inch thick things that have this

00:23:09 ◼   ► thousand dollar sensor and an amazing glass in front of them.

00:23:12 ◼   ► The market, that's just not where they're going.

00:23:15 ◼   ► So I think if you're going to buy a camera

00:23:18 ◼   ► that is not just your phone, it benefits you a lot

00:23:21 ◼   ► to get one that is exceptionally good in low light

00:23:24 ◼   ► just to really maximize the difference

00:23:26 ◼   ► and the justification for having a separate camera at all?

00:23:30 ◼   ► - Well, again, you can't ever say never

00:23:32 ◼   ► because I always picture a phone

00:23:33 ◼   ► that's like this magical thin thing

00:23:36 ◼   ► where the entire back of the phone

00:23:38 ◼   ► is basically one giant sensor

00:23:39 ◼   ► plus this amazing computing power

00:23:41 ◼   ► to somehow combine all the light hitting that sensor

00:23:44 ◼   ► without a lens in front of it to figure,

00:23:45 ◼   ► you know what I mean?

00:23:46 ◼   ► Like light gathering, the task would be,

00:23:48 ◼   ► I will gather all the light for you

00:23:49 ◼   ► and then magic computers will figure out

00:23:52 ◼   ► all the light hitting it.

00:23:53 ◼   ► Like maybe there's things that can tell

00:23:54 ◼   ► what angle they hit the sensor at

00:23:55 ◼   ► instead of just levels of light.

00:23:56 ◼   ► Like you do have enough surface area basically

00:23:58 ◼   ► for to imagine a future phone using an as yet

00:24:01 ◼   ► undetermined technology where you would gather

00:24:03 ◼   ► all the light hitting the back of the phone.

00:24:04 ◼   ► That's plenty to have amazing low light photography,

00:24:07 ◼   ► but that technology is nowhere on the horizon.

00:24:11 ◼   ► But I just, you know, like it's not,

00:24:12 ◼   ► we won't always be stuck with pinholes,

00:24:14 ◼   ► is what I'm saying.

00:24:15 ◼   ► So in the distant future, that could be solved.

00:24:18 ◼   ► But for our lifetime, I think we're probably,

00:24:20 ◼   ► everything you said there holds.

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00:25:22 ◼   ► We got a couple of people asking us,

00:25:25 ◼   ► or I think I might have just been the same person twice,

00:25:27 ◼   ► asking us why we didn't mention DSLRs at all

00:25:31 ◼   ► in these camera discussions recently.

00:25:34 ◼   ► And I have my reasons.

00:25:35 ◼   ► Do you guys have any reasons before I jump in?

00:25:38 ◼   ► - Too big to carry.

00:25:39 ◼   ► - That's a good one.

00:25:40 ◼   ► - I mean, I'm serious.

00:25:41 ◼   ► I'm not trying to be funny.

00:25:42 ◼   ► Like, the reason I, one of the biggest reasons

00:25:44 ◼   ► I went micro four thirds, it was less about cost,

00:25:47 ◼   ► so that was a small factor,

00:25:49 ◼   ► But more, I knew I was already going to have something bigger than I really wanted that

00:25:53 ◼   ► I had to carry.

00:25:55 ◼   ► And if I'm going to do that, I want to try to make it as small as possible.

00:25:59 ◼   ► And like Jon had talked about earlier, to my requirements, the Micro Four Thirds was

00:26:05 ◼   ► a really good, happy medium.

00:26:07 ◼   ► And I didn't want to go as big as a DSLR, although I went back and forth and back and

00:26:12 ◼   ► forth about it.

00:26:13 ◼   ► And in fact, I think I bothered, underscored Marco a lot, asking, "Well, what about this?

00:26:17 ◼   ► What about this?

00:26:18 ◼   ► What about this?

00:26:19 ◼   ► and eventually ended up on 4/3 just because I didn't want to carry it.

00:26:22 ◼   ► Yeah, for me it was size, but also like, I mean, you know, we've known for years of even just

00:26:27 ◼   ► tangentially, you know, not really in the camera community, but just like touching on it because

00:26:32 ◼   ► I like read things in deeper view. And that's, you know, that's how I figured out what super zooms

00:26:36 ◼   ► again, everything, you just see which way the wind is blowing, and the wind was blowing away from DSLRs

00:26:40 ◼   ► for regular people. And I had a 5D Mark II borrowed from a particular source for my brother's wedding

00:26:48 ◼   ► that I use to take pictures. So I know how big they are, I know how heavy they are, I

00:26:52 ◼   ► know how the little mirror flappy thing and all the other business like it just seems

00:26:57 ◼   ► like it's kind of like Markowitz's BMW versus his Tesla. The mirrorless one seems like,

00:27:01 ◼   ► oh, this is clearly the future. And even though because the market has been for so long, the

00:27:05 ◼   ► DSLRs are the high end, I'm not sure that will always entirely hold. And it just it

00:27:13 ◼   ► was way outside that, you know, the mirrorless camera I brought is the whole selling point

00:27:18 ◼   ► is that it's so small, that the lenses look comically big on it because it's so darn

00:27:22 ◼   ► small and you can't get a DSLR that big, there's not enough room.

00:27:26 ◼   ► The main reason why I don't have a DSLR anymore is what you guys said. It's mostly

00:27:30 ◼   ► about size and also about the way the wind is blowing. One of the things that swayed

00:27:35 ◼   ► me, we bought the 5D Mark II when it came out in 2008 and Tiff and I used a pair of

00:27:42 ◼   ► those for all of her Profoto stuff, it went through all that, it went through a lot of

00:27:48 ◼   ► of our high-end hobby and of course all of our family stuff

00:27:51 ◼   ► until about a year ago when I got my A7R II.

00:27:55 ◼   ► And one of the reasons I upgraded finally,

00:27:58 ◼   ► I mean first of all, a camera that is in common use

00:28:02 ◼   ► from 2008 until 2015 is pretty good.

00:28:06 ◼   ► That's a pretty great run.

00:28:08 ◼   ► And that kinda shows one of the reasons

00:28:11 ◼   ► it was able to go that long, and it's still a great camera.

00:28:14 ◼   ► It's falling behind on a lot of the tech areas now,

00:28:16 ◼   ► but when you get a really high-end, full-frame,

00:28:20 ◼   ► professional-grade camera, it lasts.

00:28:22 ◼   ► Similar to a John's Mac Pro,

00:28:24 ◼   ► which is at the same age, actually.

00:28:25 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:28:27 ◼   ► But anyway, the thing with SLRs though is,

00:28:31 ◼   ► yeah, they are really big.

00:28:32 ◼   ► You can't just casually throw a full-frame SLR

00:28:36 ◼   ► into your bag.

00:28:37 ◼   ► You gotta really decide to take that with you.

00:28:41 ◼   ► They're big, they weigh a lot, the lenses are big,

00:28:44 ◼   ► they weigh a lot.

00:28:44 ◼   ► I wasn't that convinced that the size difference

00:28:47 ◼   ► would matter that much until I lived with the Sony

00:28:51 ◼   ► for a little while, and then I picked up Tiff's camera

00:28:53 ◼   ► to do something with one time, and I was like,

00:28:55 ◼   ► oh my God, it felt like I was picking up

00:28:58 ◼   ► an aircraft carrier, like what is this thing?

00:29:00 ◼   ► How did I possibly use this for that long?

00:29:04 ◼   ► But that being said though, there are still differences,

00:29:08 ◼   ► and mainly, while the mirrorless cameras

00:29:13 ◼   ► have all the action going with a lot of the tech advances

00:29:15 ◼   ► these days, and in particular, a lot of the lens

00:29:18 ◼   ► advancements these days, I would still hesitate

00:29:20 ◼   ► to call them professional cameras.

00:29:23 ◼   ► Because pro, obviously it's a very loaded word

00:29:26 ◼   ► in a lot of markets, and it is mostly used

00:29:28 ◼   ► for marketing in most places.

00:29:29 ◼   ► And it goes both ways.

00:29:32 ◼   ► Companies put pro, put the name pro on things

00:29:36 ◼   ► that aren't necessarily quote professional grade,

00:29:38 ◼   ► and a lot of people who aren't professionals

00:29:41 ◼   ► buy pro gear aspirationally.

00:29:43 ◼   ► There's a lot of like vagary in what that means.

00:29:48 ◼   ► However, when you're shooting things with a pro camera,

00:29:53 ◼   ► you need certain attributes that I don't think

00:29:56 ◼   ► any of the mirrorless vendors offer.

00:29:58 ◼   ► Certainly Sony doesn't offer them.

00:30:00 ◼   ► First of all, you need the battery

00:30:01 ◼   ► to not be as much of a problem as it is.

00:30:03 ◼   ► I mean, that's number one with the Sonys

00:30:05 ◼   ► is they are awesome in so many ways

00:30:07 ◼   ► but the battery life is terrible.

00:30:08 ◼   ► and part of that is because you have to drive

00:30:11 ◼   ► this LCD screen in the viewfinder

00:30:13 ◼   ► and in the back display so often,

00:30:16 ◼   ► and SLRs get away with only having the back review screen

00:30:20 ◼   ► and having optical viewfinders,

00:30:21 ◼   ► so you're seeing through the lens,

00:30:23 ◼   ► you're not lighting up a screen for all that looking time.

00:30:25 ◼   ► - I think I recall seeing a battery case for your phone,

00:30:29 ◼   ► or for somebody's phone, have you seen those things?

00:30:31 ◼   ► - Through the camera, you mean?

00:30:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's just a big giant battery.

00:30:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, there's battery grips,

00:30:36 ◼   ► and they basically like shove this protrusion

00:30:39 ◼   ► into the battery port and have this big base in the camera

00:30:41 ◼   ► that usually holds two or three batteries.

00:30:43 ◼   ► And that's something, it obviously makes this camera

00:30:46 ◼   ► a lot larger and heavier, and that reduces

00:30:49 ◼   ► a lot of the advantages it has over SLR.

00:30:52 ◼   ► But also, you know, just SLRs are just larger in general,

00:30:54 ◼   ► so SLR batteries can be physically larger,

00:30:56 ◼   ► they can have way more capacity,

00:30:57 ◼   ► and on top of all that, they're doing less

00:31:00 ◼   ► 'cause they aren't lighting up two screens all the time.

00:31:01 ◼   ► So-- - Now hold on,

00:31:02 ◼   ► how often are you charging your Sony though?

00:31:04 ◼   ► because my Micro Four Thirds, I charge once a month,

00:31:09 ◼   ► and even when I was at the beach snapping a ton of pictures,

00:31:12 ◼   ► I might've used maybe 50% of the battery,

00:31:16 ◼   ► and it has two LCDs, just like you're describing.

00:31:19 ◼   ► Are you charging your Sony every day

00:31:22 ◼   ► when you're on a vacation

00:31:23 ◼   ► or when you're taking a lot of pictures?

00:31:24 ◼   ► - You have to.

00:31:25 ◼   ► - God, that's terrible.

00:31:26 ◼   ► - Well, see, I was worried about the battery life

00:31:30 ◼   ► 'cause on DPReview, they always give number of shots

00:31:33 ◼   ► for your battery capacity,

00:31:34 ◼   ► And my Panasonic is actually pretty good.

00:31:36 ◼   ► I forget what they had it rated as,

00:31:37 ◼   ► like 400 something or 500 something.

00:31:39 ◼   ► But when I think like, oh, I take a lot of pictures,

00:31:42 ◼   ► like I would always bring, I have a spare battery.

00:31:44 ◼   ► I always bring the spare battery to the beach with me

00:31:46 ◼   ► with my Panasonic and I never needed to use it.

00:31:47 ◼   ► I think maybe one year, because I forgot to charge it

00:31:50 ◼   ► the night before I needed to use it, right?

00:31:52 ◼   ► For the Sony, its number was lower on DP review.

00:31:54 ◼   ► I'm like, it's like, it wasn't that bad, but it was lower.

00:31:57 ◼   ► And I was like, I looked at the physical size of the battery.

00:31:59 ◼   ► I'm like, really?

00:32:00 ◼   ► This looks so small.

00:32:01 ◼   ► 'Cause the battery is physically smaller

00:32:02 ◼   ► than my Panasonic's battery.

00:32:03 ◼   ► So I felt like, oh, this is a bad sign.

00:32:05 ◼   ► So I had two batteries with me and I always charge every night and put the fresh one in

00:32:09 ◼   ► and put the other one there.

00:32:10 ◼   ► I was all ready to go.

00:32:11 ◼   ► Every time I went to the beach, I had two batteries.

00:32:13 ◼   ► Always lasted all day.

00:32:14 ◼   ► I don't think I got below.

00:32:16 ◼   ► Maybe I went below 50% sometimes, but I was pleasantly surprised about the battery life.

00:32:21 ◼   ► But forget about more than one day.

00:32:22 ◼   ► If you were actively shooting a lot of pictures, at the end of the day, you're going to have

00:32:25 ◼   ► to charge that thing.

00:32:26 ◼   ► And I don't mind.

00:32:27 ◼   ► That's all I wanted.

00:32:28 ◼   ► I was like, can it do my most demanding day?

00:32:30 ◼   ► Fine.

00:32:31 ◼   ► that it's not if you were like doing a sporting event and taking a bazillion pictures, it

00:32:35 ◼   ► would probably just burn through the battery completely and you'd have to be swapping the

00:32:37 ◼   ► batteries. But for my use, having two batteries and knowing that one can basically last through

00:32:42 ◼   ► almost anything that I have done, and you know, I don't mind carrying another one of

00:32:46 ◼   ► these little batteries because they're not big, they're not heavy enough if a battery

00:32:48 ◼   ► runs out, I just swap it and it's not a big deal. So I would like it to be better as with

00:32:51 ◼   ► many things and I feel like there's more room in there maybe for a battery, but it wasn't

00:32:55 ◼   ► as bad as I thought it would be. But it's definitely not like your micro four thirds

00:32:59 ◼   ► where you're charging it once a month, forget about that.

00:33:01 ◼   ► - No, I mean, yeah, 'cause Sony's in general,

00:33:03 ◼   ► like the battery life is a little bit worse.

00:33:04 ◼   ► Mine is worse than yours, I'm pretty sure,

00:33:07 ◼   ► because the full frame has the even more stuff

00:33:09 ◼   ► to do electronically inside, the images are even larger

00:33:11 ◼   ► to process, all this stuff.

00:33:13 ◼   ► My battery life is probably among the worst

00:33:15 ◼   ► in the camera industry right now. (laughs)

00:33:18 ◼   ► - Do you have the same battery as me?

00:33:20 ◼   ► That's what I was thinking.

00:33:21 ◼   ► Do you actually have the same model of battery, like--

00:33:23 ◼   ► - It's like the whatever NP, whatever, whatever, 50.

00:33:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, the same battery I have,

00:33:27 ◼   ► so that's why your battery life's getting worse,

00:33:29 ◼   ► 'cause your camera is a bigger sensor, bigger screen,

00:33:31 ◼   ► like everything about it is gonna use more battery

00:33:34 ◼   ► than mine does and you have the same actual

00:33:36 ◼   ► physical battery in it, so that's no good.

00:33:38 ◼   ► - So battery life is one of the things

00:33:40 ◼   ► that differentiates Pro, Pro Camera Gear,

00:33:42 ◼   ► but another one is just like,

00:33:43 ◼   ► just handling durability, speed, support.

00:33:47 ◼   ► You know, professional doesn't always mean

00:33:50 ◼   ► that it has the best features or the fastest whatever,

00:33:53 ◼   ► the fastest hardware or the highest end hardware,

00:33:56 ◼   ► the highest specs.

00:33:57 ◼   ► That is not what professional means.

00:33:59 ◼   ► That often results in that, but not always.

00:34:03 ◼   ► Professional means that you can use it to get your job done

00:34:07 ◼   ► and it's not going to fail on you.

00:34:09 ◼   ► So that's why, if you look at a topic

00:34:11 ◼   ► that we are near and dear to, toasters.

00:34:14 ◼   ► Now, all of the toasters that Jon has tested

00:34:18 ◼   ► and loved so much, well, with varying degrees

00:34:20 ◼   ► of love so much, if you actually tried to use

00:34:24 ◼   ► one of those toasters in a bagel shop

00:34:25 ◼   ► where they need a toaster a lot.

00:34:28 ◼   ► This is like a commercial duty roll.

00:34:30 ◼   ► If you used any of those toasters,

00:34:31 ◼   ► even the nice $300 ones, they would burn out

00:34:35 ◼   ► and die in two months at most.

00:34:38 ◼   ► 'Cause they're not made,

00:34:39 ◼   ► they aren't made for a heavy workload,

00:34:41 ◼   ► they would overheat or they would have problems.

00:34:44 ◼   ► They're not made for that.

00:34:46 ◼   ► And if you look at a toaster that's in a bagel shop,

00:34:48 ◼   ► you have one of those belt drive toasters,

00:34:50 ◼   ► those are like $1,000.

00:34:52 ◼   ► And you look at it and you're like, that's stupid.

00:34:54 ◼   ► This toaster I can get at Macy's or whatever

00:34:57 ◼   ► is like 40 bucks and has way more features than that.

00:35:00 ◼   ► But that $40 thing will die shortly

00:35:02 ◼   ► and you can't do all this toast at the same time with it

00:35:04 ◼   ► and everything else and that $1000 really basic

00:35:07 ◼   ► belt drive one at the bagel shop

00:35:08 ◼   ► is going to work for a long time.

00:35:10 ◼   ► Pro gear is, this is a metaphor for most

00:35:14 ◼   ► truly professional gear.

00:35:15 ◼   ► And if you look at what the mid-range

00:35:18 ◼   ► and high-end SLRs are like,

00:35:19 ◼   ► and I'm really talking about Canon and Nikon here,

00:35:22 ◼   ► I don't think anybody else is really in this game anymore.

00:35:25 ◼   ► Canon and Nikon, and I think Canon owns quite a bit of it.

00:35:28 ◼   ► These are like machines that are designed to do work

00:35:31 ◼   ► and never fail on you.

00:35:33 ◼   ► As much as I love my Sony camera, I would be surprised

00:35:38 ◼   ► if it still works perfectly eight years from now.

00:35:42 ◼   ► Whereas the Canon does, 'cause that's a Pro-Gri camera.

00:35:45 ◼   ► The Sony is a really high-end feature and spec camera,

00:35:49 ◼   ► but it does not handle like a professional camera.

00:35:52 ◼   ► It doesn't feel like a professional camera.

00:35:53 ◼   ► It doesn't feel like it has the longevity

00:35:55 ◼   ► and the ruggedness.

00:35:56 ◼   ► And I think, generally speaking,

00:35:58 ◼   ► I think people's experiences online have backed that up

00:36:01 ◼   ► where you'll hear about like pro photographers

00:36:03 ◼   ► who took a Sony A7 series camera like to Antarctica

00:36:06 ◼   ► and it failed or something like that.

00:36:08 ◼   ► And you can do that with other cameras

00:36:09 ◼   ► because they're made for like hard use, extreme conditions.

00:36:13 ◼   ► They're always ready.

00:36:14 ◼   ► They're like, you know, I mean,

00:36:15 ◼   ► within reason of course,

00:36:17 ◼   ► but like they're generally just more rugged

00:36:20 ◼   ► and they're also just, they're faster,

00:36:22 ◼   ► they have more physical buttons,

00:36:24 ◼   ► and yeah, they're larger and clunkier and heavier

00:36:25 ◼   ► to get you all that stuff, but that's all there.

00:36:28 ◼   ► They have dual card slots, because that way

00:36:30 ◼   ► you can have a backup in case one card fails

00:36:33 ◼   ► or whatever else.

00:36:34 ◼   ► There's so many affordances there,

00:36:35 ◼   ► and if they break, there's generally better service

00:36:38 ◼   ► available for pro gear, not always, but usually,

00:36:42 ◼   ► and that's another area where Sony has been criticized

00:36:44 ◼   ► as having shoddy service for pro use.

00:36:49 ◼   ► All these mirrorless cameras,

00:36:50 ◼   ► they really don't handle pro cameras.

00:36:53 ◼   ► They don't have the strength and ruggedness

00:36:55 ◼   ► and durability of pro cameras,

00:36:57 ◼   ► and they don't have really the design workload

00:37:01 ◼   ► of pro cameras, and that won't change.

00:37:03 ◼   ► So I think, and I honestly,

00:37:06 ◼   ► when I do handle an SLR these days,

00:37:08 ◼   ► there are parts of it I do miss.

00:37:10 ◼   ► I miss how incredibly responsive they are.

00:37:12 ◼   ► I miss how fast I can snap off shots

00:37:15 ◼   ► and have it be no problem at all and see everything.

00:37:17 ◼   ► I do miss a true optical viewfinder sometimes.

00:37:20 ◼   ► And there are certain things that,

00:37:21 ◼   ► as I'm using it, I miss about my Sony.

00:37:22 ◼   ► Like as I'm using it, I'll miss things like focus peaking,

00:37:24 ◼   ► which I don't think you can do at all in an SLR,

00:37:27 ◼   ► because of the way the system's designed.

00:37:29 ◼   ► Things, you know, there's all sorts of things

00:37:30 ◼   ► that you have the luxuries with mirrorless cameras

00:37:33 ◼   ► that you really can't do with SLRs.

00:37:36 ◼   ► But if I was going out, like shooting an event again,

00:37:39 ◼   ► like I used to do with Tiff when I was her second shooter,

00:37:43 ◼   ► I would pick an SLR still,

00:37:44 ◼   ► and probably for the foreseeable future,

00:37:46 ◼   ► because for actual pro use, where every shot matters,

00:37:50 ◼   ► you can't have any delays, you can't have anything fail,

00:37:52 ◼   ► you can't worry about the battery.

00:37:53 ◼   ► I mean, when we were shooting with the 5Ds,

00:37:57 ◼   ► Tiff and I shot a bunch of weddings together,

00:37:58 ◼   ► 'cause she's a wedding photographer,

00:37:59 ◼   ► and we would shoot together, and I can't,

00:38:01 ◼   ► I think maybe I worried about the battery level once,

00:38:05 ◼   ► in all that time.

00:38:07 ◼   ► You know, usually we fill up the cards

00:38:08 ◼   ► before the battery would run out.

00:38:10 ◼   ► You just never had to think about the battery,

00:38:11 ◼   ► 'cause it was so big.

00:38:12 ◼   ► And with the Sony, I'm thinking about the battery

00:38:13 ◼   ► almost every time.

00:38:15 ◼   ► Like almost every day I shoot with the Sony,

00:38:16 ◼   ► I have to watch that battery level

00:38:17 ◼   ► and then it goes down to like 20%,

00:38:19 ◼   ► I gotta take the extra out of my pocket.

00:38:20 ◼   ► You know, it's not a professional piece of equipment.

00:38:23 ◼   ► It produces very incredible photos,

00:38:27 ◼   ► but it is not pro gear.

00:38:28 ◼   ► And SLRs, not all of them are,

00:38:29 ◼   ► but many SLRs are pro quality gear

00:38:31 ◼   ► and that difference I think will always be there

00:38:33 ◼   ► just because of the market realities

00:38:35 ◼   ► and the physical realities of these two markets.

00:38:36 ◼   ► - Oh, there you go with the always again,

00:38:38 ◼   ► you know, I'm gonna jump on that.

00:38:40 ◼   ► Getting back to the way the wind is blowing.

00:38:44 ◼   ► It reminds me kind of the, I mean, not quite the same.

00:38:47 ◼   ► The analogy is not perfect, but I

00:38:49 ◼   ► think it's a similar enough situation

00:38:51 ◼   ► that it can put you into the right mindset

00:38:53 ◼   ► to understand how this is going to go.

00:38:54 ◼   ► When professionals all use some cameras,

00:38:56 ◼   ► because digital cameras were crap,

00:38:57 ◼   ► we all remember that time.

00:38:58 ◼   ► We're all the others can remember that.

00:38:59 ◼   ► Where, of course, digital cameras are fine.

00:39:02 ◼   ► They're an interesting toy.

00:39:03 ◼   ► But it's ridiculous.

00:39:04 ◼   ► You'll never compare it to 35 millimeter film.

00:39:06 ◼   ► Professionals, all those professional cameras

00:39:08 ◼   ► from Canon and Nikon, they were all SLRs

00:39:11 ◼   ► without the D in the front of them because they're a professional camera for all the

00:39:15 ◼   ► reasons you stated and they weren't digital because everybody knows that digital may have

00:39:18 ◼   ► some weird advantages but you can't take decent pictures with it.

00:39:22 ◼   ► And that slowly, really, really slowly changed.

00:39:25 ◼   ► And there was a time when no professional photographer would use digital and now almost

00:39:29 ◼   ► all of them do unless they're real artsy fartsy.

00:39:32 ◼   ► It just so happened they stayed in the same form factor, the DSLR at that point.

00:39:36 ◼   ► And there's a lot of, not baggage, but history there.

00:39:41 ◼   ► Even if it was universally better, it would take a long time as people have tons of lenses

00:39:44 ◼   ► and they're used to the cameras they like and there's established people who know how

00:39:48 ◼   ► to fix them and they're kind of familiar with the machines and the way they work.

00:39:53 ◼   ► But there are still advantages to mirrorless in terms of like continuous autofocus of a

00:39:58 ◼   ► moving target that you could never do manually focusing and the DSLR is not fast enough to

00:40:03 ◼   ► catch for very, very fast motion for things like sports photography.

00:40:08 ◼   ► And of course all the size advantages and all the other things.

00:40:10 ◼   ► I'm not saying it's inevitable, but I feel like the main thing keeping DSLRs dominant now is because

00:40:16 ◼   ► Like the inertia that manufacturers are making is no reason you couldn't make a professional mirrorless camera just what happens

00:40:23 ◼   ► No one is doing that because the market is in DSLRs and they're really good and the advantages haven't shift over enough

00:40:29 ◼   ► But I feel like this is a slow migration that gradually over time like Sony's kind of doing it first

00:40:33 ◼   ► You know the mirrorless cameras like oh, this is a great way for consumers to get a camera that has a little bit bigger sensor

00:40:39 ◼   ► But you know that we know consumers don't want to buy an SLR because they're really big

00:40:42 ◼   ► So this is a great advantage for them and Sony was like, you know, we can make even better camera like that

00:40:47 ◼   ► Maybe we can make a full-frame one and maybe we can make it good enough that

00:40:49 ◼   ► professionals might notice and all the things Marco said about them not being suitable for the job are still true, but

00:40:55 ◼   ► You know, they're creeping up on that. No one no one before the a7 and the and your camera

00:41:01 ◼   ► That wasn't a thing that even existed and now, you know

00:41:04 ◼   ► Sony's probably the wrong company to do it,

00:41:06 ◼   ► but all it's gonna take is for five years from now

00:41:08 ◼   ► or whatever for Nikon and Canon to make

00:41:10 ◼   ► their first professional mirrorless camera,

00:41:12 ◼   ► and that's just like, then you've passed the tipping point

00:41:14 ◼   ► and it's just a matter of time then

00:41:16 ◼   ► before they all switch over,

00:41:16 ◼   ► because I think the advantages are important enough

00:41:19 ◼   ► that eventually people will make professional

00:41:21 ◼   ► mirrorless cameras even if they're not doing that today.

00:41:23 ◼   ► - That's a fair point.

00:41:24 ◼   ► I mean, I guess I should clarify that, you know,

00:41:27 ◼   ► I don't believe it's impossible to make

00:41:30 ◼   ► a pro-grade, pro-handling mirrorless camera.

00:41:32 ◼   ► There's nothing about the mirrorless component layout

00:41:35 ◼   ► that prevents pro cameras from being made that I know of.

00:41:38 ◼   ► They just aren't made.

00:41:39 ◼   ► And even the very expensive ones like the A7R II

00:41:43 ◼   ► are professional in quality but not professional

00:41:46 ◼   ► in handling and responsiveness and ruggedness

00:41:48 ◼   ► and everything.

00:41:49 ◼   ► So that being said, Sony is rumored to be working

00:41:52 ◼   ► on something that the rumors have to call on the A9

00:41:56 ◼   ► that is allegedly a pro like mirrorless

00:42:00 ◼   ► with the A7 series sensors.

00:42:03 ◼   ► So that could be really interesting if that's real

00:42:05 ◼   ► and if it actually is pro handling.

00:42:09 ◼   ► And all this being said,

00:42:10 ◼   ► if I were to look at an SLR again today,

00:42:13 ◼   ► I would probably end up looking at Nikon, honestly,

00:42:15 ◼   ► not Canon, because Canon has just not been keeping up at all

00:42:20 ◼   ► with Sony in dynamic range and high ISO noise performance.

00:42:26 ◼   ► And Nikon uses Sony sensors.

00:42:28 ◼   ► And so, like the Nikon D750 is an incredible camera.

00:42:33 ◼   ► It's not even that new anymore.

00:42:34 ◼   ► It's an incredible camera that has a beautiful Sony sensor

00:42:38 ◼   ► and that's very similar to the A7R1 sensor, I believe.

00:42:42 ◼   ► And yeah, so I would almost certainly go Nikon

00:42:46 ◼   ► if I was going SLR today.

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00:44:15 ◼   ► - Apparently video games are still a thing.

00:44:18 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:44:19 ◼   ► And I was not aware of this.

00:44:21 ◼   ► But apparently not only are they a thing,

00:44:23 ◼   ► but you have to go through like really terrible, awful other things to be able to do that thing.

00:44:30 ◼   ► - Oh, you're talking about boot camp. - Yeah.

00:44:33 ◼   ► - Oh, God. - So things are not going well, I guess.

00:44:36 ◼   ► - You should drive your Tesla over here and pick me up. I offer services in this area.

00:44:40 ◼   ► - All right, so can you just-- - You're up to the job.

00:44:43 ◼   ► - So can we just give just a moment of background? So you're trying-- or well,

00:44:48 ◼   ► maybe not you, actually. I guess it's Tiff is trying to play No Man's Sky. Is that right?

00:44:52 ◼   ► I'm not trying to troll.

00:44:53 ◼   ► I'm really...

00:44:54 ◼   ► No, she's playing Inside.

00:44:55 ◼   ► Oh, my bad.

00:44:56 ◼   ► Okay.

00:44:57 ◼   ► He's such an old man, Casey.

00:44:58 ◼   ► When it comes to this, I am.

00:44:59 ◼   ► Is she playing the gnomans guy?

00:45:01 ◼   ► The Pokemans?

00:45:04 ◼   ► So anyway, so Tiff wanted to play Inside, and that is not available on OS X, soon to

00:45:10 ◼   ► be Mac OS, or Mac OS.

00:45:13 ◼   ► And it is available on the Xbox, but not the PlayStation 4, is that fair?

00:45:18 ◼   ► It's coming out for the PlayStation 4 soonish.

00:45:20 ◼   ► Yeah, but it's not out now.

00:45:21 ◼   ► Maybe it will be out by the time Marco gets boot camp working, but we'll find out.

00:45:26 ◼   ► And then, because it's not available on OS X and you guys only have a PlayStation 4,

00:45:32 ◼   ► you collective you thought, "Okay, we will install Windows and we will play it there."

00:45:38 ◼   ► Is that a reasonable summary?

00:45:40 ◼   ► Yeah, basically.

00:45:41 ◼   ► He left off all the hemming and hawing.

00:45:43 ◼   ► We had the whole show where Marco explained why he's not getting an Xbox One because he

00:45:46 ◼   ► has all these consoles laying around.

00:45:47 ◼   ► And anyway, by the end of that show, it was like, "Okay, we're going to do the boot camp

00:45:50 ◼   ► thing and so now we're picking up at that point where the decision has been made that

00:45:56 ◼   ► bootcamp and Steam and Windows is the way to do it and then Tiff was complaining about

00:46:00 ◼   ► it yelling at me somehow, somehow this is my fault on Twitter that bootcamp isn't working

00:46:05 ◼   ► out so I assume this is all Marco's fault so he can tell us what's going on.

00:46:10 ◼   ► Syracuse!

00:46:11 ◼   ► Hi Tiff!

00:46:12 ◼   ► Why is this, how is this my fault?

00:46:14 ◼   ► Let me just explain once again, once again Tiff.

00:46:17 ◼   ► I decided to use bootcamp for this game.

00:46:20 ◼   ► The day I decided to do it, I spent some time waffling around and seeing how much Windows

00:46:24 ◼   ► 10 costs before eventually deciding to go with the copy of Windows 7 that I had.

00:46:28 ◼   ► I wiped my bootcamp partition, made a new one, installed Windows 7, installed Steam,

00:46:33 ◼   ► and played all of Inside.

00:46:35 ◼   ► Everything I just described took place in one day.

00:46:37 ◼   ► That's all I'm saying.

00:46:38 ◼   ► Oh god.

00:46:39 ◼   ► Wait, can you guys hold on a second?

00:46:40 ◼   ► I need to go get a bag of popcorn real quick.

00:46:47 ◼   ► I just want to play a three hour game.

00:46:49 ◼   ► I just want to play it.

00:46:50 ◼   ► It's a three hour game.

00:46:53 ◼   ► It's, this is the Gilligan's Island of games here.

00:46:56 ◼   ► You go on a three hour tour and you end up there

00:46:59 ◼   ► for your whole fricking life

00:47:00 ◼   ► because you're dealing with Windows nightmares.

00:47:03 ◼   ► - What's going wrong here?

00:47:05 ◼   ► How is this not happening?

00:47:06 ◼   ► This has been like days, week.

00:47:08 ◼   ► It's been a long time.

00:47:09 ◼   ► It's been a long time.

00:47:10 ◼   ► Not even counting the whole time about waffling

00:47:12 ◼   ► what you should do.

00:47:13 ◼   ► And then even after the decision has been made

00:47:14 ◼   ► that we're going to go bootcamp.

00:47:15 ◼   ► And still, I assume you have not played this game.

00:47:18 ◼   ► - Oh, because this whole bootcamp thing

00:47:20 ◼   ► was pitched to us as, "Oh, it'll be no problem.

00:47:23 ◼   ► It's just bootcamp.

00:47:24 ◼   ► You just put it on the disc and you have

00:47:25 ◼   ► your little partition and you just plug it in

00:47:27 ◼   ► and it'll be so easy.

00:47:28 ◼   ► You should just do it.

00:47:28 ◼   ► It's so easy."

00:47:29 ◼   ► - I did this.

00:47:30 ◼   ► Like, it's not speculation like it should be easy.

00:47:32 ◼   ► I actually did it.

00:47:34 ◼   ► - If you actually wrote out the steps it would take

00:47:37 ◼   ► to have this done,

00:47:38 ◼   ► we totally would have just went with the initial

00:47:41 ◼   ► Marco idea of let's just throw some money at the problem

00:47:44 ◼   ► and buy an Xbox because we should have done that

00:47:46 ◼   ► because the infuriation,

00:47:48 ◼   ► I'm almost, I'm about to break,

00:47:49 ◼   ► I'm gonna kick all the computers in,

00:47:52 ◼   ► like in their faces, like I'm so,

00:47:54 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:47:55 ◼   ► freaking angry, whoa, Windows!

00:47:59 ◼   ► - All right, so here's what has happened.

00:48:01 ◼   ► So the other night, so you know, we have a child,

00:48:04 ◼   ► he is young, we haven't had a ton of time

00:48:06 ◼   ► to devote to this problem.

00:48:07 ◼   ► So you know, a few weeks ago,

00:48:09 ◼   ► whenever we talked about it first,

00:48:11 ◼   ► I had created this boot camp installation of Windows 10

00:48:17 ◼   ► using a real Windows 10 product key,

00:48:19 ◼   ► thanks to a listener who graciously sent me one.

00:48:21 ◼   ► Actually, well, I hadn't entered it yet.

00:48:24 ◼   ► We'll get to that.

00:48:24 ◼   ► - That was tonight's problem, thanks.

00:48:26 ◼   ► Thanks, thanks Windows for your tattoo of warning signs

00:48:30 ◼   ► all over everything you do if you don't, ah!

00:48:32 ◼   ► Yeah, keep going.

00:48:35 ◼   ► - Right, so anyway.

00:48:35 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:48:37 ◼   ► Anyway, so I installed Windows 10,

00:48:39 ◼   ► choosing the remind me later option

00:48:41 ◼   ► on the product key screen,

00:48:42 ◼   ► because why wouldn't you click that?

00:48:44 ◼   ► And then, (laughs)

00:48:46 ◼   ► and then I installed it on this external Samsung SSD

00:48:50 ◼   ► so that we could plug it into any computer we wanted to

00:48:52 ◼   ► because sometimes I might wanna play a game,

00:48:55 ◼   ► sometimes it might be on my laptop,

00:48:56 ◼   ► sometimes it might be on Tiff's desktop.

00:48:58 ◼   ► So, I set it all up on my laptop

00:49:02 ◼   ► and figuring that I could just plug it into Tiff's iMac

00:49:05 ◼   ► to play the game when she was ready

00:49:06 ◼   ► 'cause her iMac was in use.

00:49:08 ◼   ► She was working and using it

00:49:10 ◼   ► and I didn't wanna disturb it during setup.

00:49:11 ◼   ► So I set the whole thing up as a bootable bootcamp drive

00:49:15 ◼   ► on this SSD from my laptop, a MacBook Pro.

00:49:18 ◼   ► - And I got the message of, "Oh, don't worry,

00:49:19 ◼   ► "whenever you're ready to play this game,

00:49:21 ◼   ► "I got it all set up, we just need to plug it in,

00:49:23 ◼   ► "I can bring it here, I can bring it there,

00:49:25 ◼   ► "I can put it on this, I can put it on that,

00:49:27 ◼   ► "and you're gonna be ready to go.

00:49:28 ◼   ► "You just let me know."

00:49:30 ◼   ► - That's exactly how I sounded.

00:49:31 ◼   ► - Somehow I feel like you're still yelling at me about that.

00:49:33 ◼   ► You realize this is your husband that was doing this,

00:49:35 ◼   ► not me, I live over here in this house.

00:49:37 ◼   ► - Oh, oh.

00:49:38 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:49:39 ◼   ► - And I know where that house is, John, I know.

00:49:41 ◼   ► But I didn't do this.

00:49:42 ◼   ► I take no blame for this whatsoever.

00:49:44 ◼   ► You should be angry at Marco.

00:49:45 ◼   ► - Previous destinations in my GPS and I can find you.

00:49:48 ◼   ► That's it, that's all it takes.

00:49:50 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:49:51 ◼   ► - We're just bringing the computer with you

00:49:52 ◼   ► and I'll have you set up.

00:49:53 ◼   ► - Just drive it over to Tim, no wait,

00:49:56 ◼   ► whose house, John's house.

00:49:57 ◼   ► Yeah, drive it over to John's house.

00:49:58 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:49:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, so anyway,

00:50:01 ◼   ► so I plugged the drive into Tiff's computer.

00:50:04 ◼   ► So she has this one night set out,

00:50:06 ◼   ► which was a couple days ago.

00:50:08 ◼   ► This one night set out.

00:50:09 ◼   ► This is the day that she's able to play this game, finally.

00:50:12 ◼   ► So, put her kid to bed, I start shutting down her computer

00:50:15 ◼   ► and rebooting the bootcamp drive.

00:50:18 ◼   ► And of course, since the bootcamp installation

00:50:20 ◼   ► was something like two weeks old,

00:50:23 ◼   ► it had a software update.

00:50:24 ◼   ► Oh, go through the software updates,

00:50:25 ◼   ► okay, update, update, reboot.

00:50:27 ◼   ► - A software update?

00:50:28 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:50:29 ◼   ► - Just A software update?

00:50:30 ◼   ► I think you need to fix that.

00:50:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, it had multiple software updates.

00:50:33 ◼   ► - Didn't you use Windows for like years and years

00:50:35 ◼   ► before you used the Mac?

00:50:36 ◼   ► Like these are the rookie mistakes

00:50:38 ◼   ► that I don't even use Windows.

00:50:39 ◼   ► The only reason I use it for Root Camp,

00:50:40 ◼   ► and even I know the day you decide to play your Windows game

00:50:43 ◼   ► is not the day to find out you have Windows updates.

00:50:45 ◼   ► Like there's always a prep day

00:50:46 ◼   ► where you install the Windows updates

00:50:48 ◼   ► and make sure everything is set to go.

00:50:50 ◼   ► - Every day you find out,

00:50:51 ◼   ► every day is a Windows update day, every day.

00:50:53 ◼   ► - But isn't like, you can defer them anyway.

00:50:56 ◼   ► - You have left the prep day out of that three hour total

00:50:59 ◼   ► that this took you then.

00:51:00 ◼   ► - No, that day that I did it, I did all the updates

00:51:02 ◼   ► because it was a full day, it was a weekend day.

00:51:04 ◼   ► I did the hemming and hawing about doing it,

00:51:07 ◼   ► I did the research, I did the creation of the partition,

00:51:09 ◼   ► I did the installation, I did the endless Windows updates,

00:51:12 ◼   ► and then after dinner I played the game

00:51:13 ◼   ► 'cause it's three hours long.

00:51:14 ◼   ► - Oh my God.

00:51:15 ◼   ► All right, so anyway, so we boot up,

00:51:19 ◼   ► we go through the software updates.

00:51:21 ◼   ► Every few times that it boots,

00:51:24 ◼   ► it gives the non-system disk error on boot for some reason,

00:51:28 ◼   ► like that old DOS error I put it on Instagram.

00:51:30 ◼   ► Like, it's like, yeah, so Windows is Windows.

00:51:34 ◼   ► It's a total pile of garbage, as it always has been.

00:51:36 ◼   ► Because I haven't used Windows since XP,

00:51:41 ◼   ► of course it took me a long time to find certain settings

00:51:44 ◼   ► and things like how do I change the resolution,

00:51:46 ◼   ► things like that.

00:51:48 ◼   ► Anyway, so when I first installed it,

00:51:51 ◼   ► I thought, you know, just in case,

00:51:54 ◼   ► because I created this installation on a MacBook Pro,

00:51:58 ◼   ► but I'm running it now on a 5K iMac,

00:52:00 ◼   ► just in case, let me update the,

00:52:02 ◼   ► because when we first launched the game on the 5K iMac,

00:52:05 ◼   ► the frame rate was terrible.

00:52:06 ◼   ► So I'm just like, all right, maybe I need to update

00:52:08 ◼   ► the video driver 'cause it didn't install the one

00:52:10 ◼   ► for the iMac, maybe it only installed the one

00:52:12 ◼   ► for the MacBook Pro, even though it's like one package

00:52:16 ◼   ► of support files for all hardware, supposedly, okay.

00:52:19 ◼   ► Reinstall the tools, you know, try to fix

00:52:21 ◼   ► a stupid frame rate issue.

00:52:23 ◼   ► Finally, we get it going and we get the game going

00:52:26 ◼   ► and I eventually figure out the resolution,

00:52:27 ◼   ► I have to reboot through all these stupid updates.

00:52:29 ◼   ► So we're already like two hours in now,

00:52:31 ◼   ► like after all this stupid updating and rebooting.

00:52:34 ◼   ► - And we only have so much time, right,

00:52:35 ◼   ► because we have a child who goes to sleep

00:52:37 ◼   ► and once he goes to sleep, we only have so much time

00:52:39 ◼   ► to play the game before we're exhausted

00:52:41 ◼   ► and we can't stay up anymore.

00:52:43 ◼   ► So, it was a limited window, ugh.

00:52:47 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:52:48 ◼   ► - So, yeah.

00:52:49 ◼   ► So, this terrible rebooting cycle and drivers

00:52:54 ◼   ► and all this BS, eventually we get the game finally to run

00:52:58 ◼   ► and then it's like, wait, there's no mouse support,

00:53:00 ◼   ► we gotta plug in a controller

00:53:01 ◼   ► 'cause there's a controller option,

00:53:03 ◼   ► it's like how do we do that?

00:53:04 ◼   ► And we try to--

00:53:05 ◼   ► - Just use the keyboard, just use the keyboard.

00:53:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, well we eventually came to that,

00:53:07 ◼   ► but first I'm like, well we don't have any game pads

00:53:10 ◼   ► for PCs, but it's like, but we have a PS3 controller,

00:53:13 ◼   ► we have a PS4 controller, we have an Xbox 360 controller,

00:53:16 ◼   ► and everything's like, oh you can just plug these in,

00:53:18 ◼   ► they'll just start working, so we tried a few of those,

00:53:20 ◼   ► and of course none of them actually worked.

00:53:22 ◼   ► Even though the Xbox 360 controller came closest,

00:53:25 ◼   ► that it actually showed up in whatever the current name is

00:53:29 ◼   ► for device manager, however, the game didn't recognize it

00:53:33 ◼   ► for whatever reason, they just couldn't assign things

00:53:35 ◼   ► to it so oh well, nevermind. So eventually we were like alright fine keyboard. So we

00:53:39 ◼   ► went to keyboard then Tiff finally starts playing the game. Okay finally it's like you

00:53:44 ◼   ► know it's probably like 10 o'clock so finally we can finally start playing this game. So

00:53:49 ◼   ► I leave the room because I didn't want to disturb her with light from my computer because

00:53:52 ◼   ► these screens are so freaking reflective. So she's playing the game in a nice dark office.

00:53:56 ◼   ► I leave the office. She calls me back in like four minutes later. The game broke. What?

00:54:03 ◼   ► I come in and it just like, it had quit to the status,

00:54:06 ◼   ► like it had minimized itself to the status bar

00:54:09 ◼   ► as if you, what used to happen,

00:54:10 ◼   ► I don't know if it still happens in Windows gaming,

00:54:12 ◼   ► but what used to happen if you accidentally hit

00:54:13 ◼   ► the Windows key or invoked Alt + Tab in any other way.

00:54:16 ◼   ► - So I got accused of, did you put your finger on a button?

00:54:20 ◼   ► And I'm like, no, I did not put my finger on a button.

00:54:22 ◼   ► I would know if I hit a button.

00:54:23 ◼   ► - Not smart, not smart.

00:54:25 ◼   ► - I just wanted to rule that out because you know,

00:54:27 ◼   ► it's right there on the keyboard,

00:54:28 ◼   ► next to all the other buttons, anyway.

00:54:30 ◼   ► - All the great buttons.

00:54:32 ◼   ► It happens to the best of us.

00:54:33 ◼   ► Every PC gamer accidentally hits the Windows key sometimes.

00:54:36 ◼   ► It always happens.

00:54:37 ◼   ► Anyway, so of course I see the game

00:54:40 ◼   ► like minimized to the taskbar.

00:54:42 ◼   ► And of course, once the game is minimized to the taskbar,

00:54:45 ◼   ► you can't get it to resume.

00:54:46 ◼   ► Like that's it, it's over.

00:54:47 ◼   ► You have to like force quit it.

00:54:49 ◼   ► You can still hear it,

00:54:49 ◼   ► you can still move the character around,

00:54:50 ◼   ► but you can't, like there's no way

00:54:52 ◼   ► you can get it back full screen again

00:54:54 ◼   ► because Windows gaming apparently has not advanced

00:54:56 ◼   ► since there was a problem in 1999.

00:54:58 ◼   ► - And the cursor disappears.

00:54:59 ◼   ► The cursor totally disappears.

00:55:00 ◼   ► You can't even do anything.

00:55:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, because the game captures the mouse cursor still.

00:55:04 ◼   ► It's, you have to like, Alt-Tab to nothing else

00:55:07 ◼   ► to get the cursor back.

00:55:08 ◼   ► It's like, I am shocked that Windows has not

00:55:11 ◼   ► fixed these problems in the, like, 16 years

00:55:15 ◼   ► since I first started seeing it.

00:55:16 ◼   ► Like, how, really, how have they not fixed this?

00:55:18 ◼   ► Anyway, they haven't, because Windows is terrible.

00:55:21 ◼   ► So anyway, we eventually, like, you know,

00:55:24 ◼   ► I get back in the game, where we try rebooting,

00:55:26 ◼   ► we try installing other video drivers,

00:55:27 ◼   ► we look in the internet for solutions,

00:55:28 ◼   ► of course, the internet's full of garbage.

00:55:30 ◼   ► So, eventually I leave, Tiff tries again,

00:55:33 ◼   ► and we start getting this balloon that comes up

00:55:36 ◼   ► that the video driver has stopped responding,

00:55:39 ◼   ► but it has recovered.

00:55:41 ◼   ► So first of all, who the hell writes these messages?

00:55:45 ◼   ► Like, why does a user need to know?

00:55:48 ◼   ► Like, what is a regular person?

00:55:50 ◼   ► I mean, we are experts, sort of,

00:55:53 ◼   ► not in Windows or gaming, but like, we are computer experts,

00:55:55 ◼   ► and I know what all those words mean,

00:55:57 ◼   ► and I still can't tell you what the hell

00:55:59 ◼   ► supposed to do about that maybe it's the ram marco you don't even understand you

00:56:04 ◼   ► don't yeah don't even understand mark though you think those error messages

00:56:09 ◼   ► are bad imagine just a hex code that's all you get is a hex code and there an

00:56:14 ◼   ► error has occurred hex code and then you just go scouring the internet hoping

00:56:18 ◼   ► that somebody has hit this before and has a fix do you remember what I told

00:56:22 ◼   ► the story in the podcast we even I remember do you remember what I had to

00:56:24 ◼   ► do to get my video you know basically to get my video drivers to work you

00:56:27 ◼   ► Remember that?

00:56:27 ◼   ► No.

00:56:28 ◼   ► Because I took a few runs at it where I installed the boot camp

00:56:31 ◼   ► drivers.

00:56:32 ◼   ► I would install Windows, and then I

00:56:33 ◼   ► would install the boot camp drivers.

00:56:34 ◼   ► But every time I installed the boot camp drivers,

00:56:36 ◼   ► it made my system unbootable.

00:56:37 ◼   ► Like, it would boot back up, and it would say, unrecognize.

00:56:40 ◼   ► Do you want to try to repair?

00:56:41 ◼   ► And it would try to repair, and it would never succeed.

00:56:43 ◼   ► And it would be like, oh, well.

00:56:44 ◼   ► So what I had to do was install without the drivers,

00:56:47 ◼   ► then do Apple's little boot camp driver installation,

00:56:50 ◼   ► but stop it as soon as sound works.

00:56:52 ◼   ► Because it makes a sound when it installs the driver.

00:56:54 ◼   ► I had to forcibly kill the driver installation

00:56:57 ◼   ► and then install like,

00:56:59 ◼   ► I had three things I had.

00:56:59 ◼   ► I had Windows itself,

00:57:01 ◼   ► I had the ATI drivers,

00:57:05 ◼   ► the Radeon drivers,

00:57:06 ◼   ► like third-party drivers from the Radeon site

00:57:08 ◼   ► for bootcamp specifically.

00:57:09 ◼   ► So AMD says these are the ones you use for bootcamp

00:57:11 ◼   ► for this video card, right?

00:57:12 ◼   ► And then I had the Apple drivers

00:57:14 ◼   ► and the combination of three of them

00:57:15 ◼   ► is I had to do them in a certain order

00:57:17 ◼   ► and I had to kill the Apple one as soon as sound worked.

00:57:20 ◼   ► And that is the setup that worked for me.

00:57:21 ◼   ► That was like an hour's worth of butsing there.

00:57:23 ◼   ► So it's never easy.

00:57:24 ◼   ► I'm not saying it's easy, but I figured it was

00:57:26 ◼   ► because my computer is ancient and like it would be easier

00:57:28 ◼   ► on a modern computer.

00:57:29 ◼   ► - I feel like when people go through all of these steps

00:57:32 ◼   ► to do something simple and they recount all the steps

00:57:35 ◼   ► and the craziness and it took me a day and I did this

00:57:38 ◼   ► and then I did this and then I got it to work

00:57:39 ◼   ► and now it works and it's fine.

00:57:42 ◼   ► I feel like it's like a battle, like a badge of honor, right?

00:57:45 ◼   ► That everyone's wearing now that, oh, look how many things

00:57:49 ◼   ► that I did to get my thing, my simple task to play a game,

00:57:54 ◼   ► Just a game, just a game.

00:57:55 ◼   ► That's it.

00:57:56 ◼   ► - So let me remind everyone. - It's the opposite though.

00:57:58 ◼   ► - Let me remind everyone,

00:57:59 ◼   ► I was making a fairly lucrative living in Windows

00:58:02 ◼   ► and did everything in my power to leave that behind.

00:58:05 ◼   ► Maybe, maybe that was for a reason.

00:58:07 ◼   ► Maybe that reason might be Windows.

00:58:09 ◼   ► - This just reminds you of why we all have Macs.

00:58:12 ◼   ► Like this is the reason why.

00:58:14 ◼   ► But see, the trick is that if this is proposed as a solution

00:58:18 ◼   ► as an easy way to play a game.

00:58:20 ◼   ► - By somebody.

00:58:21 ◼   ► - No, but like for, you know, first of all,

00:58:24 ◼   ► I had more faith in Marco's ability to do this.

00:58:25 ◼   ► But second of all, the most important thing is,

00:58:30 ◼   ► Marco can have these struggles

00:58:31 ◼   ► because the timeline is already incredibly stretched out

00:58:33 ◼   ► because of all his, you know,

00:58:35 ◼   ► hemming and hawing and trying to decide what he's gonna do.

00:58:37 ◼   ► You don't present it as ready to play

00:58:40 ◼   ► unless you're sure it's ready to play.

00:58:42 ◼   ► Like you don't, like the making the promise,

00:58:44 ◼   ► like, oh, I've got it on a drive, everything's all set.

00:58:46 ◼   ► Like you should have known, like Tiff should not,

00:58:48 ◼   ► you shouldn't even talk to Tiff about this

00:58:50 ◼   ► until you've loaded it, played it for 15 minutes,

00:58:53 ◼   ► reset it to the beginning of the game,

00:58:54 ◼   ► and say, "Okay, now it's ready for you."

00:58:56 ◼   ► Like, that's when it's actually ready.

00:58:57 ◼   ► You don't involve her, unless she wants to do it herself,

00:59:00 ◼   ► fine, then she can deal with all this crap.

00:59:01 ◼   ► But if you're gonna deal with the crap,

00:59:03 ◼   ► don't call her in to look at it until it's really done.

00:59:05 ◼   ► That's the secret to all the geeky stuff

00:59:08 ◼   ► you're doing for your family or whatever.

00:59:10 ◼   ► You don't wanna show them what it actually takes

00:59:11 ◼   ► to get this done.

00:59:12 ◼   ► You don't call them into the room

00:59:13 ◼   ► until the thing is already loaded in iTunes or Netflix,

00:59:16 ◼   ► until it's already queuing up,

00:59:17 ◼   ► until you've seen the Paramount logo appear,

00:59:19 ◼   ► Like you know all the network connectors are working,

00:59:21 ◼   ► you know you're signed in,

00:59:22 ◼   ► you know everything has a head software update,

00:59:24 ◼   ► the popcorn is popping, they come in, they sit down,

00:59:26 ◼   ► you hit the play button, but it was already about to play.

00:59:28 ◼   ► Like that's what you gotta do.

00:59:30 ◼   ► - See, everyone who's in a relationship of any kind

00:59:34 ◼   ► would totally pat me on the back,

00:59:36 ◼   ► because I didn't say I told you so at that moment

00:59:39 ◼   ► when he brought up--

00:59:41 ◼   ► - It was in your eyes.

00:59:43 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, well I can't keep it out of my eyes.

00:59:45 ◼   ► I mean, I gotta show you a little bit.

00:59:46 ◼   ► - I mean, you were giving me like the look so hard.

00:59:49 ◼   ► - But I didn't say it.

00:59:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, she yelled at me on Twitter instead.

00:59:52 ◼   ► She was transference, she was just taking it out on me.

00:59:54 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:59:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, so anyway, so eventually,

00:59:59 ◼   ► this keeps this stupid display driver stopped responding,

01:00:02 ◼   ► but we figured it out, but yet this is still a problem

01:00:04 ◼   ► that we need to alert you with via a balloon

01:00:06 ◼   ► that kills your game.

01:00:07 ◼   ► This problem kept happening, and I tried,

01:00:09 ◼   ► this is like, there's like an ATI driver control panel,

01:00:12 ◼   ► so I kept opening that up and turning down settings.

01:00:14 ◼   ► I tried lowering the resolution, which is not easy anymore,

01:00:18 ◼   ► But I eventually dug down and found all this crap

01:00:21 ◼   ► in their new interface that's even worse than the old one.

01:00:24 ◼   ► And eventually figured out, like, all right,

01:00:25 ◼   ► let me turn in all the settings,

01:00:26 ◼   ► turn in all the anti-aliasing,

01:00:27 ◼   ► turn down everything that I know to be complex,

01:00:30 ◼   ► and it still kept having these problems.

01:00:32 ◼   ► I'm like, all right, it's not an issue of it overloading.

01:00:35 ◼   ► So I thought maybe, just maybe,

01:00:38 ◼   ► this is because I had created the installation on my laptop

01:00:41 ◼   ► and I was running it on a 5K iMac.

01:00:43 ◼   ► And so I thought, let's just try

01:00:45 ◼   ► playing the game on the laptop.

01:00:47 ◼   ► - So we abandoned ship from the iMac.

01:00:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, so Tiff moved to the chair.

01:00:52 ◼   ► - The survivors got in the boat and we left the iMac

01:00:56 ◼   ► and we moved on to the chair with the laptop.

01:00:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, so finally went over,

01:01:02 ◼   ► finally played the game on the laptop.

01:01:05 ◼   ► And what was the first problem you had there?

01:01:08 ◼   ► Was that the one?

01:01:11 ◼   ► - No, I just needed you to get my pen.

01:01:12 ◼   ► - Right, and we ran out of power almost

01:01:15 ◼   ► and that was another balloon, the 10% warning, right?

01:01:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, the battery almost ran out

01:01:19 ◼   ► 'cause we forgot to plug in because it's a laptop.

01:01:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, it turns out when you play games,

01:01:23 ◼   ► laptop batteries don't last very long, what a surprise.

01:01:25 ◼   ► So anyway.

01:01:27 ◼   ► - So I go back to play the game tonight

01:01:29 ◼   ► since I stayed up so late last night

01:01:31 ◼   ► trying to finish the game in time,

01:01:32 ◼   ► but it just got so late I was very, very tired.

01:01:35 ◼   ► - In the ultimate insult, I went to bed before she did.

01:01:38 ◼   ► - Oh my God.

01:01:39 ◼   ► - And then Alexa turns off all the lights on me,

01:01:41 ◼   ► which was the worst, but I had her turn it back on.

01:01:44 ◼   ► I felt so cool.

01:01:45 ◼   ► That's good for mood lighting though, right?

01:01:47 ◼   ► It's good for atmosphere for that game.

01:01:48 ◼   ► Well, I had it mostly dark.

01:01:49 ◼   ► I just didn't want the whole house to be dark.

01:01:51 ◼   ► Like the other rooms lights went off and I was like plunged into the pit of darkness.

01:01:56 ◼   ► So I had to have her turn it back on.

01:01:58 ◼   ► But anyway, so tonight he's podcasting.

01:02:01 ◼   ► I have my game on a laptop.

01:02:03 ◼   ► It's portable.

01:02:04 ◼   ► I can leave the office.

01:02:05 ◼   ► I can go play wherever I want and I sit down and I'm getting ready to play and a message

01:02:10 ◼   ► is tattooed in the corner of this dark game.

01:02:14 ◼   ► It says, "Activate windows.

01:02:17 ◼   ► Go to settings to activate windows."

01:02:19 ◼   ► - Because Marco never activated it.

01:02:21 ◼   ► That's right, he left a part out of the story.

01:02:22 ◼   ► It's like, "Oh, click this, register later."

01:02:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, you caught that little seed that he planted there.

01:02:28 ◼   ► So it's tattooed on the bottom of the game.

01:02:30 ◼   ► Everything is dark and you know,

01:02:32 ◼   ► if anyone has played inside,

01:02:33 ◼   ► you kind of see the, it's a lot of silhouettes.

01:02:36 ◼   ► It is, it's very distracting

01:02:38 ◼   ► when you have big white letters

01:02:39 ◼   ► right at the bottom of the screen,

01:02:42 ◼   ► shouting at you about activating your windows, which.

01:02:45 ◼   ► - Whatever the hell that means.

01:02:48 ◼   ► - Whatever the hell that means.

01:02:49 ◼   ► And so I go to the settings, so it could tell me,

01:02:51 ◼   ► and it says there's a button that says,

01:02:53 ◼   ► do you wanna know what the hell this means?

01:02:54 ◼   ► And so I click the button,

01:02:56 ◼   ► and it tells me that I need some sort of key,

01:02:59 ◼   ► and I need to have this program go in

01:03:02 ◼   ► and change settings in my computer

01:03:04 ◼   ► in order to get this key, and that just makes me panic.

01:03:07 ◼   ► So I'm here texting Marco while he's podcasting,

01:03:10 ◼   ► asking him for a key and he's like, can you wait?

01:03:12 ◼   ► I'm like, no, there's this huge ugly tattoo

01:03:14 ◼   ► all over my game.

01:03:15 ◼   ► And then in that process, the game stops booting.

01:03:18 ◼   ► It won't boot anymore.

01:03:19 ◼   ► It just won't.

01:03:20 ◼   ► It just stops.

01:03:21 ◼   ► It's just spinning into the abyss.

01:03:23 ◼   ► Steam doesn't work.

01:03:25 ◼   ► Nothing's working.

01:03:26 ◼   ► Finally, he sends me the message with the key in it.

01:03:30 ◼   ► So thank you, whoever gave us that key.

01:03:32 ◼   ► You're awesome.

01:03:33 ◼   ► I put it in, I mistype it.

01:03:36 ◼   ► I put it in again and it works.

01:03:39 ◼   ► And then I have to shut down all the programs

01:03:41 ◼   ► that I had open and open them again

01:03:43 ◼   ► because it can't figure out what I just did.

01:03:46 ◼   ► And so now the game is sitting on the laptop

01:03:49 ◼   ► and it is running and it looks great.

01:03:51 ◼   ► And Marco calls me in here.

01:03:54 ◼   ► So that's where we are.

01:03:55 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:03:57 ◼   ► - I'm so glad that Journey is only available on the console

01:04:00 ◼   ► because this is like totally destroying

01:04:02 ◼   ► the experience of Inside.

01:04:02 ◼   ► But it's this moody, you know, atmospheric game

01:04:05 ◼   ► you really want to just get into in a quiet house without anything to worry about. Instead,

01:04:09 ◼   ► you're being accosted by terrible little balloons asking you to update Windows.

01:04:13 ◼   ► Tell me about it. I should have stayed up all night. I really just should have stayed

01:04:16 ◼   ► up all night last night and finished it. I think I have only about like 40 minutes left.

01:04:20 ◼   ► Oh my god. Yeah. So, in conclusion, bootcamp sucks. John, you were wrong.

01:04:28 ◼   ► Oh, Windows sucks and you suck at installing bootcamp. I think that's clear.

01:04:33 ◼   ► I can't really argue with that, but I mean,

01:04:36 ◼   ► it sounds even from your experience,

01:04:38 ◼   ► it sounds like there's just a baseline level

01:04:41 ◼   ► of Windows crappiness that you have to deal with,

01:04:43 ◼   ► even if you do everything right.

01:04:44 ◼   ► - Well, even if you have a PC.

01:04:46 ◼   ► - And it seemed like that is approximately

01:04:48 ◼   ► like 75% of the trouble that we had.

01:04:51 ◼   ► So it isn't even that much less than the trouble we had.

01:04:53 ◼   ► - Well, but you made bad choices.

01:04:55 ◼   ► You didn't activate immediately.

01:04:57 ◼   ► You didn't think about the fact that you had to update.

01:04:59 ◼   ► You installed one attached to different hardware

01:05:00 ◼   ► than you were gonna play on.

01:05:01 ◼   ► Like, these are all mistakes

01:05:02 ◼   ► that it could have guided you away from.

01:05:04 ◼   ► You presented it as a tip before you knew it was ready.

01:05:06 ◼   ► Like some of these are just procedural marriage mistakes

01:05:09 ◼   ► and some of them are technical mistakes

01:05:10 ◼   ► that you do with Windows. (laughing)

01:05:13 ◼   ► And like, and see when I'm doing it myself,

01:05:14 ◼   ► I am both the preparer and the person who I'm playing for.

01:05:17 ◼   ► I'm the most demanding customer for playing.

01:05:18 ◼   ► I don't wanna even begin the play session

01:05:20 ◼   ► until I'm absolutely dead sure

01:05:21 ◼   ► that everything is all set, right?

01:05:23 ◼   ► - Jon, next time you say that this is gonna be fine

01:05:27 ◼   ► and it's so easy, just put something on this thing

01:05:29 ◼   ► and then we can play it,

01:05:30 ◼   ► you're gonna come over here first

01:05:32 ◼   ► and do it for us and then I'll play.

01:05:34 ◼   ► - I feel like you should bring the computer to me

01:05:36 ◼   ► for this service, but yeah.

01:05:37 ◼   ► - Oh, there's a surprise.

01:05:38 ◼   ► John doesn't wanna leave the house.

01:05:40 ◼   ► Nobody would have seen that coming.

01:05:41 ◼   ► - Marco just likes to drive places in his Tesla

01:05:42 ◼   ► to show off the range. - That's true.

01:05:43 ◼   ► If you make us pizza, we can show up.

01:05:45 ◼   ► I'm cool with that.

01:05:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'd do that.

01:05:47 ◼   ► - That seems like fair trade.

01:05:49 ◼   ► - So now that we got you both here

01:05:50 ◼   ► and you've had this terrible experience,

01:05:52 ◼   ► another thing you need to know is the Karen feeding

01:05:55 ◼   ► of a bootcamp partition in Steam.

01:05:56 ◼   ► - Oh God, I'm bi. - There will come a time

01:05:58 ◼   ► in the future, for Marco, this is fine.

01:06:01 ◼   ► There will come a time in the future when you want to use this again to play a game.

01:06:04 ◼   ► Will there?

01:06:05 ◼   ► Really?

01:06:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:06:07 ◼   ► Don't assume that because you played a game on it three months ago that you're like, "Oh,

01:06:09 ◼   ► I already have that.

01:06:10 ◼   ► I'll just go into it and download the game and play it."

01:06:12 ◼   ► You will not.

01:06:13 ◼   ► There will be Windows updates.

01:06:14 ◼   ► There will be Steam updates.

01:06:15 ◼   ► You might have to update your drivers after both of those happen.

01:06:20 ◼   ► There is a care and feeding of it.

01:06:21 ◼   ► The longer you go, the longer it takes.

01:06:23 ◼   ► Now, that's why I still usually allow for, with an existing boot camp partition, like

01:06:26 ◼   ► when I had XP.

01:06:27 ◼   ► I allowed for one day to install, buy the game, do all the updates,

01:06:30 ◼   ► launch it, make sure it runs.

01:06:32 ◼   ► The next day would be the day I start playing the game.

01:06:36 ◼   ► Which is not, you know, it's not that bad, but you just have to plan for it.

01:06:39 ◼   ► If you go in and say, "Okay, this new game is out.

01:06:42 ◼   ► I've set aside this time. I'm going to boot back into boot camp for the first time in three months."

01:06:46 ◼   ► You will not be playing that game for a long time.

01:06:49 ◼   ► Right? So you have to have the, you know, if you use the boot camp edition every day, this is fine.

01:06:54 ◼   ► you know sort of be you know it's like using your Mac every day every once in a while there's updates or whatever but it

01:06:59 ◼   ► Really kills you if you just leave it dormant for months and months

01:07:01 ◼   ► So keep that in mind and the next time a game is out and she wants to play it get it all set up

01:07:04 ◼   ► For her ahead of time make sure all the updates are run launch it play a little bit of yourself

01:07:09 ◼   ► Delete the save game go back to the beginning make sure and I don't think your boot camp partition is healthy already because those button

01:07:14 ◼   ► Those bubbles with the the you know well you maybe once you activate it on the laptop. It's fine

01:07:19 ◼   ► But if she's gonna play it on iMac wipe the whole thing start over reinstall on the iMac from the beginning when she's not

01:07:23 ◼   ► there or something you may have to sacrifice your own sleep to do this instead of just

01:07:27 ◼   ► going to bed early because you're tired from fighting with windows.

01:07:30 ◼   ► So what part of this is the fun playing the game which is you're supposed to let her have

01:07:34 ◼   ► all the fun and you do all the work.

01:07:38 ◼   ► This is still tough. I'm still here. I didn't really leave. I just I just feel like that

01:07:44 ◼   ► knowing that there is another way to do this where you just turn on a game and it's there

01:07:48 ◼   ► and maybe there's one update is just so much better.

01:07:52 ◼   ► I think you underestimate the number of updates on consoles.

01:07:55 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:07:56 ◼   ► Like, if you got a new Xbox One out of the box, you're not playing, you know, inside

01:07:59 ◼   ► on that Xbox until you run through all the updates to the Xbox system software, then

01:08:02 ◼   ► download the game, and then whatever patches.

01:08:05 ◼   ► It's not, it's better, it's way better, I'm not going to say it's not, but it's not like,

01:08:09 ◼   ► "Oh, the Xbox just arrived.

01:08:11 ◼   ► Set that up for me, and after I finish lunch I'll start playing."

01:08:13 ◼   ► No you won't.

01:08:14 ◼   ► That's the problem.

01:08:15 ◼   ► It's like, we think of consoles as like the way the Sega Genesis was.

01:08:19 ◼   ► It just literally always worked exactly the same way.

01:08:21 ◼   ► You plug in the game, you turn it on,

01:08:23 ◼   ► it starts immediately, it plays that game, you're done.

01:08:25 ◼   ► - Well, that's the way Steam on Mac works.

01:08:27 ◼   ► - Well, sort of.

01:08:28 ◼   ► - But you're constantly using your Mac

01:08:30 ◼   ► and you're constantly updating it,

01:08:30 ◼   ► and I bet Steam updates like every other time

01:08:32 ◼   ► you launch it anyway, even on your Mac.

01:08:33 ◼   ► It's just that you're constantly doing that

01:08:35 ◼   ► so the updates aren't gigantic

01:08:36 ◼   ► and there's not seven of them.

01:08:37 ◼   ► It's just, you know, the cost of doing business,

01:08:38 ◼   ► the ongoing cost of just using your Mac

01:08:40 ◼   ► and running the updates all the time

01:08:41 ◼   ► whenever you feel like it.

01:08:42 ◼   ► - I don't think I wanna pay this cost, John.

01:08:45 ◼   ► - Well, Marco's supposed to pay.

01:08:46 ◼   ► - That's how I said it. - Why?

01:08:47 ◼   ► - He does all the work, you have all the fun.

01:08:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, why is he the one paying this cost?

01:08:51 ◼   ► Why aren't I getting berated to learn

01:08:53 ◼   ► how to do all this stuff myself?

01:08:55 ◼   ► - Come on, that's obvious.

01:08:56 ◼   ► - You could, but then you have to pay the cost

01:08:58 ◼   ► and then you have to have the fun.

01:08:59 ◼   ► Like that's what I did.

01:09:00 ◼   ► No one else in my family's helping me set up my bootcamp.

01:09:02 ◼   ► I pay the cost and I have the fun.

01:09:03 ◼   ► I'm just saying in the situation,

01:09:04 ◼   ► if Marco was gonna do it for you,

01:09:06 ◼   ► then that's the arrangement you can have.

01:09:08 ◼   ► If you wanna do it all yourself

01:09:09 ◼   ► and not trust Marco to do it,

01:09:10 ◼   ► because maybe you have exactly as much knowledge

01:09:12 ◼   ► about Windows as he does,

01:09:13 ◼   ► which is entirely plausible,

01:09:14 ◼   ► then you should.

01:09:15 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:09:18 ◼   ► - I don't know who that's insulting.

01:09:19 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:09:21 ◼   ► - Marco, trust me.

01:09:22 ◼   ► - Anyway, hope this game is good.

01:09:25 ◼   ► You wanna go finish it?

01:09:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, I need to go finish this game.

01:09:27 ◼   ► I'll see you on the incomparable, John.

01:09:29 ◼   ► - Okay, enjoy.

01:09:31 ◼   ► - Thanks a lot, incomparable, for causing all this.

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01:11:32 ◼   ► - Matthew S. wrote in and said,

01:11:39 ◼   ► "I've spotted a new trend whilst commuting

01:11:41 ◼   ► "on the London Tube every day,

01:11:43 ◼   ► and it drives me, all caps, nuts!

01:11:46 ◼   ► Before returning the iPhone to their pocket or bag,

01:11:48 ◼   ► I'd say probably 90% of the 16 to 22 year olds

01:11:50 ◼   ► quit all of their apps, okay,

01:11:52 ◼   ► and then flick up the control center panel,

01:11:56 ◼   ► and turn the brightness to zero

01:11:58 ◼   ► before putting the phone to sleep.

01:12:00 ◼   ► What?

01:12:02 ◼   ► Why?

01:12:03 ◼   ► - Because they want a thinner iPhone.

01:12:05 ◼   ► - That fits perfectly with the quitting all the apps,

01:12:09 ◼   ► which we have discussed at length on other shows,

01:12:10 ◼   ► and is mostly pointless.

01:12:12 ◼   ► and possibly detrimental depending on what's going on. Turning the control center brightness

01:12:17 ◼   ► down is exactly the same kind of like, it makes kind of logical sense if you think about

01:12:21 ◼   ► it because brightness must mean it uses the battery. And even though putting to sleep

01:12:24 ◼   ► I feel better about turning the brightness all the way down because it accidentally wakes

01:12:27 ◼   ► up in my pocket or the next time I wake it up. This is a bad idea. There's no end to

01:12:32 ◼   ► the number of things that people will do like putting chicken entrails in a circle around

01:12:37 ◼   ► their bed at night to make their phone charge faster or whatever. There's no end to the

01:12:40 ◼   ► that they will do.

01:12:41 ◼   ► Like, if we could put more things in, like, control center and settings and stuff that

01:12:46 ◼   ► seem to be power-related before they put their phones to sleep, like, that's the best one,

01:12:49 ◼   ► because the screen is basically off when you put it to sleep, and yet they still want to

01:12:52 ◼   ► turn the brightness down.

01:12:54 ◼   ► And you know, like, the energy used by pulling up control center is probably, you know, negates

01:13:00 ◼   ► the energy they save by having the brightness down a millisecond before they hit the power

01:13:03 ◼   ► button to put the thing to sleep.

01:13:05 ◼   ► But wait, there is some validity here, because if a notification comes in that causes the

01:13:09 ◼   ► the screen to light up. It will then be at lower brightness for those like 5 seconds.

01:13:13 ◼   ► I know, I understand, yes, briefly on, yeah I know, I know, but like, but seriously, like

01:13:18 ◼   ► the amount of time they send on the double tapping the home button and flicking those

01:13:22 ◼   ► things up and the GPU cycle and energy of like flick, flick, flick, like, there, it's

01:13:26 ◼   ► just, this is not, not to mention time, which is a resource that is not renewable, like,

01:13:32 ◼   ► this is not a good use of your time. If you're doing this, please stop. If you see your friends

01:13:35 ◼   ► quitting apps, try to convince them that it's not the thing to do. I really desperately

01:13:39 ◼   ► hope that Apple makes force-quitting apps require double-key ignition, like the nuclear

01:13:46 ◼   ► launch code type things, makes it so much more cumbersome, so that to actually force-quit

01:13:50 ◼   ► every single one of your applications would just take way too long, and then that will

01:13:54 ◼   ► force people to stop this, because I think they'll give up if it takes 17 taps and a

01:13:59 ◼   ► wait and a tap and a hold and a force press to force-quit one app.

01:14:02 ◼   ► Will they?

01:14:03 ◼   ► Yeah, I think it'll just take too long.

01:14:05 ◼   ► They won't be able to put their phone away.

01:14:06 ◼   ► They'll still have to spend 15 minutes.

01:14:08 ◼   ► you know we talked about the Google thing the other extreme is to just give them a button

01:14:11 ◼   ► that makes all the pictures go away but doesn't actually force quit anything but you still

01:14:14 ◼   ► legitimately need a way to force quit apps on your phone so that has to exist it's just

01:14:19 ◼   ► this is such a mess this this whole interface Apple is partially to blame but so are people

01:14:25 ◼   ► passing around sort of superstitions about what you should do to your phone and yes Marco I saw

01:14:30 ◼   ► your dig there yes Apple should make phones with more battery we all agree yeah I mean that's I'm

01:14:35 ◼   ► I'm not gonna beat that horse to death today.

01:14:36 ◼   ► I'll wait 'til they announce the new phone.

01:14:38 ◼   ► - But if they did, do you think it would stop these people

01:14:40 ◼   ► from turning their brightness down and stuff?

01:14:41 ◼   ► I don't think it would because it's not founded,

01:14:43 ◼   ► it's not evidence-based medicine, as they say,

01:14:45 ◼   ► which as we know, as we recall normally, medicine.

01:14:48 ◼   ► - Well, but you know, if, yeah,

01:14:50 ◼   ► if people weren't always running out of battery,

01:14:54 ◼   ► they wouldn't be so desperate for solutions.

01:14:58 ◼   ► And even if these solutions are fake or ineffective,

01:15:01 ◼   ► there's still a very clear demand here

01:15:03 ◼   ► that customers are saying and have been saying

01:15:05 ◼   ► for a very long time, my battery doesn't last long enough,

01:15:08 ◼   ► and therefore I'm going to seek out stupid tricks

01:15:11 ◼   ► to make it last longer.

01:15:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, the bad thing about these tricks

01:15:14 ◼   ► is they do them.

01:15:16 ◼   ► So everyone has had the battery run out at some point,

01:15:18 ◼   ► and the more you have it run out,

01:15:19 ◼   ► the more you're gonna seek out these superstitions.

01:15:20 ◼   ► So there's a truth to that, right?

01:15:21 ◼   ► But the other thing is that it runs out

01:15:24 ◼   ► because they were out for a long day,

01:15:26 ◼   ► they played a lot of games, there was a bug in the OS

01:15:28 ◼   ► or a bug in some app that burned through their battery,

01:15:30 ◼   ► and that triggers the seeking out of,

01:15:32 ◼   ► Ask the other people in your tribe what you do to make this magical device not run out

01:15:36 ◼   ► of battery.

01:15:37 ◼   ► They tell you all these tricks and you do these tricks religiously and the next day

01:15:41 ◼   ► your battery doesn't run out.

01:15:42 ◼   ► You attribute the fact that your battery didn't run out to the fact that you did all these

01:15:45 ◼   ► tricks and they'll say, "Well, you don't need to do all that stuff."

01:15:47 ◼   ► They'll say, "No, I do these things and now my battery doesn't run out."

01:15:50 ◼   ► They don't understand that the reason the battery ran out the day before had nothing

01:15:52 ◼   ► to do with not doing those things.

01:15:53 ◼   ► It was a different situation.

01:15:55 ◼   ► Every time they do these, every day they go through and their battery doesn't run out

01:15:58 ◼   ► and they do all this stuff reinforces in their mind the idea that doing these things causes

01:16:01 ◼   ► the battery not to run out, which is not the case, right? And so it's almost impossible

01:16:06 ◼   ► to convince them they should stop doing this. They'd be like, "But when I do this, it's

01:16:10 ◼   ► like Lisa's rock and the Simpsons. This rock keeps away tigers." And it sounds ridiculous.

01:16:15 ◼   ► How can a rock keep away tigers? And Lisa says, "You don't see any tigers, do you?"

01:16:18 ◼   ► And then Homer says, "Lisa, I'd like to buy that rock." That's how the human brain

01:16:21 ◼   ► works. So it's impossible to convince people these things don't work. So I think the

01:16:25 ◼   ► battery life in the iPhone could stand improvement. But for most people, it lasts through a normal

01:16:31 ◼   ► sort of medium to light use day.

01:16:33 ◼   ► Heavy use days, it's still not sufficient,

01:16:35 ◼   ► which is why you have battery cases,

01:16:36 ◼   ► and those are the days people run out of batteries,

01:16:37 ◼   ► and those are the days that drive them

01:16:39 ◼   ► to seek out these things.

01:16:40 ◼   ► - But you see, that's the problem here.

01:16:43 ◼   ► Like we mentioned earlier in the camera discussion,

01:16:45 ◼   ► I was saying how these new mirrorless cameras have,

01:16:49 ◼   ► especially like the high end Sony ones,

01:16:50 ◼   ► have terrible battery life, and on my Sony,

01:16:53 ◼   ► I've done all sorts of stupid tricks

01:16:55 ◼   ► to try to stretch the battery life a little bit further,

01:16:58 ◼   ► because it just isn't good enough.

01:16:59 ◼   ► and I keep the phone on airplane mode

01:17:01 ◼   ► so I don't use any of the wifi features,

01:17:02 ◼   ► I have all these like, all the screens turn off really fast

01:17:05 ◼   ► and all this stuff, like all these tricks

01:17:07 ◼   ► to try to save a little bit of that power

01:17:09 ◼   ► because it's so scarce.

01:17:10 ◼   ► Meanwhile, I never once had to seek out a trick

01:17:13 ◼   ► on how to save battery power on my SLR

01:17:15 ◼   ► because the battery was so ridiculously big

01:17:18 ◼   ► and it didn't use that much of it

01:17:19 ◼   ► that it was just hardly ever a problem.

01:17:21 ◼   ► The solution to this problem is to fix the symptoms

01:17:25 ◼   ► that cause people to seek out these solutions

01:17:27 ◼   ► in the first place.

01:17:28 ◼   ► And I'm not, like when people say like,

01:17:30 ◼   ► oh where can phones go?

01:17:31 ◼   ► They are so mature now,

01:17:32 ◼   ► I don't know what phones can get better at really.

01:17:35 ◼   ► They can get better at this.

01:17:36 ◼   ► This is one big thing that has always been a problem

01:17:38 ◼   ► with almost all portable devices, especially cell phones.

01:17:43 ◼   ► And I think it's really time to start thinking

01:17:46 ◼   ► about the problem differently.

01:17:46 ◼   ► It's very clear that the way Apple thinks

01:17:49 ◼   ► about this problem is they have the way,

01:17:51 ◼   ► they run these certain tests of like,

01:17:54 ◼   ► you know, voice usage and light web browsing and everything.

01:17:57 ◼   ► But I think it's increasingly clear that we keep coming up

01:18:00 ◼   ► with really cool things we can do with these phones

01:18:03 ◼   ► that use something or other that needs a lot of power,

01:18:06 ◼   ► whether it's the GPS chip or the camera

01:18:09 ◼   ► or the high-end CPU speeds and maybe using the GPU

01:18:12 ◼   ► to do a bunch of cool 3D stuff, using AR compositing,

01:18:15 ◼   ► using advanced processing, whatever the case may be,

01:18:18 ◼   ► we are coming up with things that we can do

01:18:20 ◼   ► with these phones that just destroy the battery.

01:18:21 ◼   ► And along with the ones we already had,

01:18:23 ◼   ► things like turn-by-turn directions,

01:18:25 ◼   ► that slaughters the battery because you're keeping GPS on.

01:18:27 ◼   ► I don't think this makes for a good overall product

01:18:31 ◼   ► that the story is the battery will be good enough

01:18:34 ◼   ► as long as you don't really do much with it.

01:18:36 ◼   ► Why should I be penalized for using it the way,

01:18:40 ◼   ► using all these great features that you've added

01:18:42 ◼   ► and developed or that I've bought in the App Store

01:18:45 ◼   ► or more likely taken in the App Store,

01:18:47 ◼   ► gotten in the App Store?

01:18:48 ◼   ► Why is this okay?

01:18:50 ◼   ► Why is this the status quo?

01:18:52 ◼   ► and why is this considered good enough?

01:18:55 ◼   ► Oh yeah, well it's totally normal

01:18:57 ◼   ► for any non-trivial use of your phone.

01:19:00 ◼   ► Even if you just do trivial things

01:19:02 ◼   ► for a long time during the day,

01:19:04 ◼   ► those battery life estimates are based

01:19:06 ◼   ► on very light usage of your phone

01:19:08 ◼   ► and having it off in your pocket most of the day.

01:19:11 ◼   ► Well, our phones are increasingly becoming our computers.

01:19:13 ◼   ► That's not how people use computers.

01:19:15 ◼   ► People use computers more all day than that.

01:19:17 ◼   ► So I feel like our standards are too low,

01:19:20 ◼   ► Both us as consumers, our expectations,

01:19:23 ◼   ► and Apple standards in this area are too low

01:19:25 ◼   ► that we need to start thinking about

01:19:27 ◼   ► how amazing could the phone be

01:19:31 ◼   ► if the battery was not the same as it was now,

01:19:34 ◼   ► was not just like 15% bigger?

01:19:36 ◼   ► What if it was four times bigger?

01:19:38 ◼   ► Like how would that change the way we can use these devices?

01:19:41 ◼   ► How would it change?

01:19:43 ◼   ► How many of these stupid habits

01:19:45 ◼   ► would people no longer need to do

01:19:47 ◼   ► if the average person during the two years

01:19:50 ◼   ► they own their phone never ran out of battery,

01:19:52 ◼   ► or maybe it happened once.

01:19:54 ◼   ► Things would change dramatically,

01:19:57 ◼   ► but we are never gonna get there

01:19:59 ◼   ► if we keep making these little tiny incremental improvements

01:20:01 ◼   ► because we've declared 10 hours wireless web or whatever

01:20:05 ◼   ► to be good enough.

01:20:07 ◼   ► - Well, I think that we are there.

01:20:09 ◼   ► It's just that we're there by strapping backpacks

01:20:11 ◼   ► to our phones, and that's why Apple made the battery case.

01:20:13 ◼   ► That's why Mophie makes a killing with every new phone.

01:20:17 ◼   ► I agree with you by and large

01:20:18 ◼   ► that we really should expect and ask for a little bit more juice on these phones. And

01:20:23 ◼   ► I think we've talked, all three of us have talked about this to death on prior episodes,

01:20:26 ◼   ► but really the fix today is to strap a humpback or to turn your phone into a humpback phone

01:20:33 ◼   ► and then the problem solved. Real time follow up on the real pressing issue here, which

01:20:38 ◼   ► is the lunatic, the really ridiculous habits of the youths of Britain. When your phone

01:20:45 ◼   ► is in your pocket, it will not light up, at least on iOS 10.

01:20:50 ◼   ► I just sent myself a push notification.

01:20:52 ◼   ► I had my finger mashed on the ambient light sensor

01:20:55 ◼   ► and it did not light up.

01:20:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, maybe there's chances where it could

01:20:59 ◼   ► if it's facing a certain direction, maybe different OSes did.

01:21:01 ◼   ► Like a lot of the superstition stuff is based on

01:21:03 ◼   ► like maybe the current one doesn't do it.

01:21:05 ◼   ► They don't, again, it's not evidence-based.

01:21:06 ◼   ► They're not updating it based on current scenarios.

01:21:08 ◼   ► And as we said on past shows,

01:21:10 ◼   ► force quitting can actually cost you battery life.

01:21:11 ◼   ► If you're just gonna use that same app again

01:21:13 ◼   ► and you're causing it to launch from a fresh state

01:21:14 ◼   ► over and over and over again. It's better to resume it. It's better to have it suspended

01:21:17 ◼   ► and resume it. Better for your battery, the thing you're trying to save. But I think this

01:21:21 ◼   ► whole topic segues nicely into actually the first item on our topic list, which is talking

01:21:25 ◼   ► about the iPhone 7 rumors, which mostly is stuff that we've talked about before. But

01:21:29 ◼   ► another topic we visited before is like, oh, this one looks like it's going to be about