00:00:11 ◼ ► Jon and I definitely were not cool enough to be invited not that I am I won't speak for Jon
00:00:16 ◼ ► Not that I'm bitter at all. But Marco, where are you? I am in a hotel room in California
00:00:24 ◼ ► Although I'm not not sure I'm jealous of you being in San Jose particularly, but that's neither here nor there
00:00:42 ◼ ► I mean since we have since apparently that is I'm gonna stop with the vibe check. It's a one-time thing
00:00:46 ◼ ► Okay, fine Marco would you tell me what the feeling is around Cupertino today the feeling check is
00:01:00 ◼ ► The vibe but even before it started was you could kind of just feel the energy like vibrating
00:01:08 ◼ ► Everybody was excited because you know the handful of Apple people who were walking around
00:01:11 ◼ ► They were super excited the handful, you know, the developers that I saw last night, you know here, you know some friends here and there
00:01:17 ◼ ► Everyone was super excited and look with good reason. I mean we all knew this was gonna be like, you know a big announcement and I
00:01:32 ◼ ► keynote order of things but there is just so much so I wanted this close immediately I have not yet tried the headset I
00:01:54 ◼ ► And I also saw Tim Cook seeing the headset, but he did not prevent me from seeing it this time
00:01:59 ◼ ► He was further over in the room. It was a hands-off area, right? You weren't actually to touch it
00:02:05 ◼ ► Yes, we could touch the MacBook Pro and the or the MacBook Air rather and I don't know if I could touch the Mac Pro
00:02:13 ◼ ► Have tried you can do what I did with the iMac Pro was you just walk right up to it and start using it until
00:02:18 ◼ ► An apple person just swats you away. I didn't get mildly swatted because I started my one of my qua-
00:02:25 ◼ ► I tried just playing music super loudly and turn the speakers all the way up and put my ear up to it to see how
00:02:31 ◼ ► That was I was instructed, you know, please please ask the demo people to do that rather than doing it yourself
00:02:37 ◼ ► But otherwise, yeah, I didn't I don't think I committed any other faux pas in the demo areas
00:02:48 ◼ ► I almost forgot to ask what is the count of believe shirts that you yourself have noticed?
00:03:07 ◼ ► Now I feel like I kind of feel like I don't need to wear it anymore. But but we'll see we'll see
00:03:16 ◼ ► Sitting in the audience watching the big screen the whole nine yards plus a bunch of people in front of the big rainbow Apple logo
00:03:29 ◼ ► This this is what we this is the time of day and like what what has been revealed so far what we know as we record
00:03:36 ◼ ► Right now we're recording this on keynote Eve after State of the Union. That means we have not seen any other sessions
00:04:01 ◼ ► I have not had time to pour through the documentation and everything and even like, you know
00:04:07 ◼ ► I've gotten almost none of that because you know, the logistics of being here are very weird and different
00:04:13 ◼ ► And it's hard to get it's hard to catch up on the internet and catch up in real life stuff at the same time
00:04:27 ◼ ► So we there's probably a lot that's gonna be unveiled in the next couple of days with session videos and stuff that we have not
00:04:32 ◼ ► Yet seen and of course since none of us have any experience yet with the headset, you know
00:04:38 ◼ ► I have I have spoken to some people who have used it and I've asked a lot of questions about it
00:04:52 ◼ ► I feel like that was a qualified cut like biggest amounts and ever was probably the iPhone but the qualifier at
00:05:00 ◼ ► You can just say biggest ever all the time. It's in marketing. Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, I don't know
00:05:05 ◼ ► I think it's fine. I don't have a problem with it. But John Ternus comes out for a moment
00:05:20 ◼ ► I'm this is not a computer for me personally, but I'm super excited that this is a thing
00:05:27 ◼ ► And I think it's filling a hole in their lineup right now. So this is this is two thumbs up for me
00:05:41 ◼ ► The screen area where there's about 21% more of it and interestingly for those extra bits that you get
00:05:51 ◼ ► So all that extra battery is going to power all that extra screen and that's it very straightforward. The pricing looks
00:05:59 ◼ ► Good ish right? Like it's it's not you know, $1,800. It's not pressing up against MacBook Pro levels
00:06:06 ◼ ► It's what a hundred or two more than $200 more than the the 13 inch because they lowered the 13 inch
00:06:12 ◼ ► Yeah, when you match it spec for spec, it's only a hundred bucks more like because it does it
00:06:17 ◼ ► But it but the entry 13 inch has some of the cores cut the other thing that it with the 15 inch with the extra space
00:06:25 ◼ ► It's got six speakers instead of the four on the 13 inch and it's got force cancelling woofers
00:06:33 ◼ ► They had more room and they put more speakers in they didn't put more keyboard in because that's not a thing that Apple does
00:06:40 ◼ ► This is the first time they've had a 15 inch laptop that doesn't have speaker grille holes in the side
00:06:44 ◼ ► So the side of like the side panels next to the like the little margins next to the next to the keyboard are just flat
00:06:49 ◼ ► Metal looks kind of weird at that size like if because we're just not accustomed to seeing it
00:06:59 ◼ ► It's extremely light then it feels very similar to the 15 inch really or to the 13 inch MacBook Air
00:07:10 ◼ ► I try getting an idea of how good the speakers were as I mentioned in the hands-on thing
00:07:16 ◼ ► But my impression was they didn't seem like they were that much better than 13 inch speakers. Honestly, I think overall it's
00:07:26 ◼ ► but but overall like this is the this is exactly what it had to be a really great overall computer for almost anybody if
00:07:35 ◼ ► You want a little bit bigger version than the 13 inch now, you have more screen space and etc
00:07:40 ◼ ► So I you know same ports same everything else same trade-offs of which honestly there are very few trade-offs in this product
00:07:54 ◼ ► $100 to get a screen bigger than 14 inches like that's that was a huge gap in the lineup that is now filled by this so
00:08:01 ◼ ► Very very happy with this launch. It looks great. It feels great. It will probably work very very well
00:08:06 ◼ ► And I think it's this is gonna be the right computer for a ton of people. Yeah, I'm really impressed by this
00:08:14 ◼ ► And I think it's worth mentioning that the 13 inch MacBook Air with the m1 processor now under $1,000 by a dollar
00:08:41 ◼ ► Which is half again more than the m1 ultra which is exciting and John maybe you can translate this for me
00:08:47 ◼ ► There's new HDMI that supports 8k and 240 Hertz. Is that like some new version of HDMI that I haven't dug into it again with the
00:09:00 ◼ ► But I'll take Apple at its word that it supports this. I'm not sure what you'd connect it to exactly
00:09:05 ◼ ► But the interesting thing about this product is so much for the rumors that they're skipping a generation with the max studio
00:09:12 ◼ ► Nope, just straightforward upgrade just like the head of them on ultra and this has the m2 ultra and the m2 ultra
00:09:23 ◼ ► Oh the two m2 max is coming together and the interposer connects them and the whole nine yards exactly what we thought
00:09:32 ◼ ► Put some duct tape over the one that forms like a little two out of duct tape and just wear the same shirt
00:09:42 ◼ ► I think I missed the part of the keynote where they said and an all new cooling system and I didn't say that today
00:09:49 ◼ ► No, they sure didn't because that's the main thing that I want out of the max studio for all we know it could have one
00:09:54 ◼ ► Maybe they revised it but we don't know we'll have to wait until people start getting these and review them
00:10:02 ◼ ► It did it just it made a little bit more noise than we thought it should especially, you know
00:10:10 ◼ ► They make a laptop with that same exact SOC and the laptop makes less noise and the max studio is substantially larger
00:10:22 ◼ ► But I mean worst case scenario I imagined will be the same as it was I can't imagine it being worse
00:10:30 ◼ ► Overall though like, you know, so assuming that hopefully that they improve the thermals
00:10:35 ◼ ► This is exactly the kind of update that we want them to do to pro hardware. It's a boring spec bump upgrade
00:11:02 ◼ ► You know and frankly, I think it really holds its own against the Mac Pro in a few ways
00:11:10 ◼ ► The the present the presenter was like we're gonna talk about our pro products quote starting with Mac studio
00:11:29 ◼ ► Do you guys need me for the next two hours because I'm gonna go take a nap or something
00:11:39 ◼ ► Release timing release likelihood it shocked me when not only were that we're getting the Mac Pro today
00:11:48 ◼ ► Along with the Mac studio and the MacBook Air like all three of these Macs are ready to order now and shipping like really
00:12:02 ◼ ► What do you think of this new Mac Pro? I have some thoughts that which I'm sure I'll get to but what do you think?
00:12:09 ◼ ► And one of the other frequent topics of conversation is how would this be differentiated from an M2 ultra Mac studio?
00:12:17 ◼ ► Which very early conversations we just assumed was coming and then the rumors came that maybe the M2 ultra Mac studio isn't going to come
00:12:25 ◼ ► And that we had new rounds of conversations about how does that change the Mac Pro so on and so forth?
00:12:30 ◼ ► And the reason we kept having these conversations is ever since the rumor that the sort of the quad
00:12:35 ◼ ► SOC thing was dead which were basically like twice as big as an M2 ultra like to M2 ultra is combined somehow ever since the
00:12:45 ◼ ► We were trying to find out how the Mac Pro would be differentiated as a product from a hypothetical or real
00:12:54 ◼ ► ultra of Mac studio and we were struggling to think what the answer to that could be and
00:13:00 ◼ ► Apple's answer was one of the things that we discussed over and over again and every time we discussed it we said
00:13:17 ◼ ► No support for third-party GPUs. It's got a whole bunch of slots into which you can put
00:13:23 ◼ ► Things that go in slots that are not GPUs. None of them. None of them are ever MPX slots
00:13:31 ◼ ► It's the new version PC version for whatever and they have 16x slots any of the X slots like the PCI slots are fine
00:13:41 ◼ ► Just an a Mac studio in a way way bigger case. Now. What do you get for your way bigger case?
00:13:50 ◼ ► Second you can put some more stuff in there. If you look at the insides of the case, you can see there's room for
00:14:00 ◼ ► You could put hard drives in there like like spinning hard drives. I have spinning hard drives in my Mac Pro
00:14:06 ◼ ► I would imagine in that Mac Pro if you buy an expensive bent piece of metal and you shove it in the right spot and you'll
00:14:13 ◼ ► I verified that so that the the SATA ports are still in there and I and they still are supporting that metal bracket thing that
00:14:20 ◼ ► Recognize the arrangement of screws from having put the thing in so that that that parts the same there is the SATA part
00:14:32 ◼ ► And of course you've got a bunch of slots and that's how Apple pitches this said here you go
00:14:38 ◼ ► We sell a computer with those slots and here's what you can put them and they showed a bunch of cards
00:14:56 ◼ ► 24 8k video streams streaming into this thing each one of them going into like a card right and
00:15:13 ◼ ► Except you can put cards in it as long as they're not GPUs and by the way, you can also put some internal storage, right?
00:15:22 ◼ ► Product unless you have one of those specific needs if you remember the previous Mac Pro
00:15:27 ◼ ► You could do all that stuff and also you could stuff it to the gills with GPUs and the previous Mac Pro was kind of designed
00:15:34 ◼ ► A lot of money was spent making it so you could stuff it to the gill with GPUs with those MPX slots
00:15:39 ◼ ► Which is Apple proprietary thing and cost more money and takes more power and Apple itself sold many
00:15:45 ◼ ► third-party cards in those big MPX modules that you could stuff in there and now I'm not but Apple upgraded those cards over time so
00:15:51 ◼ ► You could you could configure which cards which GPUs you wanted and as new GPUs came out Apple and they're sort of lazy way
00:15:57 ◼ ► They normally do did eventually offer newer and better versions and you could buy them aftermarket
00:16:11 ◼ ► You get the grunt that you buy it with it's in the SOC and that's it as far as we can tell
00:16:20 ◼ ► But I'm not sure you'd be able to find the power headers for it like on the motherboard and there's certainly there's no MPX module
00:16:28 ◼ ► You know again the case is cavernous that the pictures they showed of it are a little bit comical because it is just almost entirely
00:16:34 ◼ ► Empty space there is the big block for the cooler for the the the m2 ultra and I would assume this thing will be just
00:16:43 ◼ ► Because got gigantic fans in the front of it which look to be about the same and all its cooling is an m2 ultra
00:16:56 ◼ ► Take our target audience for the Intel Mac Pro cut some big portion of it out and what you've got left
00:17:04 ◼ ► Is the market for the Mac Pro and that makes me worry about this product because it's not like the Mac Pro was selling in
00:17:10 ◼ ► Huge numbers. I don't know what percentage of the market they've eliminated by not supporting third-party GPUs
00:17:18 ◼ ► Even bigger than that, so they're further narrowing the market for this product. Then we look at the price
00:17:32 ◼ ► Keep you know, as soon as you have space for this monster and you don't mind hang up this gigantic thing around
00:17:36 ◼ ► You know, you don't get the GPUs, but hey you do get some stuff over the the Mac studio
00:17:57 ◼ ► Hovers around three grand every configuration I could find it's exactly three grand. Yeah, I didn't do it
00:18:02 ◼ ► I didn't do every configuration of the Sun, but I did a bunch of them. They always came out to three grand, right?
00:18:09 ◼ ► Spinning discs internal SSD is the ability to have expansion cards and you could put more USB ports on there
00:18:16 ◼ ► Express card NVMe cards like the ability to put those cards in there and you know and quieter fans
00:18:23 ◼ ► Don't forget more Thunderbolt ports. Yes, you do get more Thunderbolt ports. That's kind of you get more put a boat standard
00:18:29 ◼ ► And also you could probably add more to the thing right? So no, but you've forgotten something very important
00:18:33 ◼ ► What's that? I verified with Apple that not only does it still support wheels? Oh the wheels
00:18:39 ◼ ► But you can even use the same wheels from the previous Mac Pro if you want to because the case has not changed
00:18:49 ◼ ► Did you happen to see if they fixed the little bar at the bottom so that you have to take out all the the wires?
00:18:54 ◼ ► Before you take the case off. I'm guessing it's the same because like the case really is
00:19:02 ◼ ► and this and this makes us like so the case being changed is not a big deal like there's a reason I made the shirt with
00:19:07 ◼ ► The the 2019 Mac Pro on it because this is such an expensive case and they spent so long designing it
00:19:11 ◼ ► There's no way they're gonna use it for a single computer even if they don't really have
00:19:22 ◼ ► 2019 Mac Pro if you take the case off my computer and you look inside that you're like boy that thing is packed because every
00:19:30 ◼ ► Granted some of them are filled space wise and not you know card wise because I have these double and triple height cards
00:19:36 ◼ ► It's just there's tons of stuff in there this thing as again as I snarked on Mastodon like the universe
00:19:45 ◼ ► Configuration it's a tiny little m2 ultra SOC shoved in the corner and then just nothing just literally nothing
00:20:00 ◼ ► Gigantic fans are just taking air from the front of this thing pushing them through empty space and injecting at the back
00:20:22 ◼ ► They don't have an expandable RAM story. They don't have an expandable GPU power story. It's all on that SOC plus PCI slots. I
00:20:32 ◼ ► But I'm not worried so much about whether or not it appeals to me because who cares I'm worried about
00:20:41 ◼ ► How narrow does the market for this computer need to be before the powers that be at Apple that always want to kill this computer?
00:20:47 ◼ ► Eventually win and say there's no reason for us to be selling this look at the sales numbers
00:20:51 ◼ ► 2019 sold X amount that then the 2023 one sold like X divided by seven and this thing is so expensive
00:21:10 ◼ ► I mean, I you know from 2019 to 2023 the base config going up a thousand dollars in this machine
00:21:15 ◼ ► It would make a lot more sense to me if I could look at the component prices and explain it
00:21:23 ◼ ► I know the m2 ultra is expensive chip, but we have a direct comparison to that's exact same SOC in the Mac studio
00:21:29 ◼ ► It just it looks like less of a bargain than it was before and it has less of a reason to exist and Apple didn't
00:21:39 ◼ ► Not gonna say anything interesting didn't do any of the the seven things that we discussed that they could have done
00:21:44 ◼ ► Oh, you know a tiered approach to RAM some way to expand that expandable GPUs from third parties expandable GPUs from Apple anything like that
00:21:55 ◼ ► Like but that's the same as the Mac studio everything you're bragging about is also in the Mac studio
00:22:06 ◼ ► There was like the strength of 2m 2 ultras easy to explain the value proper proposition there with there would be things then that were literally
00:22:12 ◼ ► Close to twice as fast on this computer as there on a Mac studio and you know granted the price would have been even higher
00:22:18 ◼ ► But but you know, you would have had double the GPU grunt as well. That is a much easier machine to explain
00:22:25 ◼ ► Especially since as we did the math on ages ago if it had had the quad SOC thing in there
00:22:42 ◼ ► PC GPUs, it's just not it doesn't have enough power which is fine when you're talking about the Mac studio or something
00:22:52 ◼ ► Like it's forget it like the the Nvidia 4090 crushes this thing and that cards been out for ages, right?
00:22:58 ◼ ► And there's nothing you can do to change that there's you can't spend any more money on a Mac to make it competitive with
00:23:14 ◼ ► It makes them all look at the back studio because like what they'd be like, what am I buying this for?
00:23:18 ◼ ► So I know, you know, we've got the bleep shirts, you know, but they did introduce the product
00:23:36 ◼ ► I don't think that enough people are this is enough people are gonna say this is the machine for me
00:23:42 ◼ ► To sustain this product like it is now now granted, you know, whatever whatever the quad ship that went down the tubes
00:23:48 ◼ ► You know tomorrow, you know next year's another year you have to us another year, you know
00:23:51 ◼ ► We'll see how this goes in the future. They just keep upgrading this to the m3 ultra and for ultra
00:23:57 ◼ ► Or do they eventually make the quad chip because if you're gonna make the quad chip, this is the case for it
00:24:19 ◼ ► Fearful and sad I am which is not the vibe. I was going for with all the believe shirts. So I
00:24:37 ◼ ► I'm not that don't even need this one, but it doesn't it doesn't there's nothing into that makes me want to buy it
00:24:42 ◼ ► Pointlessly like I bought the 2019 pointlessly. Yeah, the internal storage will get you looking at no not for $3,000
00:24:49 ◼ ► It won't know that's that's the thing it won't for the internal storage won't get me for that amount of money
00:24:54 ◼ ► Yeah, you could you could replace all the hard drives you have with nice SSDs for $3,000
00:25:04 ◼ ► Upgrade price Apple's prices for its like storage upgrades and RAM upgrades and everything continued to be comically
00:25:14 ◼ ► As I said like for three terabytes of SSD space they want $1,000 three terabytes of the very fast
00:25:23 ◼ ► It doesn't cost half that less than half that and it's disappointing to those prices like that
00:25:28 ◼ ► Especially on a machine this expensive because for me, you know and for anybody who wants lots of storage
00:25:33 ◼ ► It really jacks up the price of these things and I felt like I when I priced out my Intel one
00:25:40 ◼ ► but I felt like it was justified because what I was getting was a powerhouse machine that has no equal in the Mac line and
00:25:48 ◼ ► You're not getting you can't buy from Apple a powerhouse machine that has no equal in terms of capabilities
00:25:52 ◼ ► You can buy this thing and then you can buy stuff from third parties and shove it in there
00:25:56 ◼ ► And then that has no equal like all those, you know video input cards or fiber channel cards or something like that
00:26:03 ◼ ► It's a bunch of third-party cards that you have to shove in there and you have to know which cards you want to put in
00:26:10 ◼ ► I'm a little bit a little bit sad about this computer. Yeah, I feel like when you when you look at this computer
00:26:16 ◼ ► You I wonder like when two years ago when John Turner said the Mac Pro is a story for another day
00:26:35 ◼ ► You know, it is what it is like I I this is why it might be hard to fight for this machine internally because
00:26:48 ◼ ► but it's a tough fight because once the quads can to everyone saying why are we even doing this and you're like
00:26:52 ◼ ► No, we just got to do it. Like maybe the maybe we'll get the quad in the m3 or m4 generation, but
00:27:00 ◼ ► Yeah, and I have to wonder like, you know, is this the machine that's that was you know
00:27:08 ◼ ► we've we've kind of heard there like factions that don't want this machine to exist inside the company and factions that do and it almost
00:27:14 ◼ ► Seems like this is kind of what came out of the meat grinder from people who want this product to die
00:27:22 ◼ ► Cutting down the market by so much for for this product and and you know in addition to you know
00:27:43 ◼ ► Raise the price by so much that everyone else buys the Mac Studio and then in a couple years say look all customers have spoken
00:27:49 ◼ ► Everyone just buys the Mac Studio. So we'll just kill the Mac Pro and just keep making the Mac Studio like that's
00:27:53 ◼ ► Whereas like, you know, obviously if if they gave this product, you know a little more capability to set it apart
00:28:06 ◼ ► This is only okay. We couldn't get the giant quad chip with the m2 generation maybe with the m3 generation
00:28:14 ◼ ► Maybe they can get it then and so maybe this product is kind of a like stopgap to fill the slot in the lineup and get
00:28:21 ◼ ► And then maybe down the road they release the quad chip in a future version of this product that I think
00:28:37 ◼ ► The only market for this as far as I can tell is people who need a bunch of those PCI capture cards
00:28:43 ◼ ► Like for you know for audio and video specialized use that's who's gonna buy this or IO cards or something like that
00:28:52 ◼ ► It does exist as part of what this machine serves. I just wonder how big a percentage of the market is
00:29:02 ◼ ► It needs it needs some story with GPU that is not it's exactly the same as the max studio because that's not a good story
00:29:33 ◼ ► Expansion and storage owned by the way a lot of things that you could expand you can't expand anymore
00:29:38 ◼ ► So looking on Apple's accessories website for the 2023 Mac Pro and I will attempt to link this in the show notes
00:29:49 ◼ ► Thunderbolt 4 Pro cable a hundred sixty dollar version of the same the pro feet kit for three hundred dollars
00:30:06 ◼ ► Apple Mac Pro wheels kit that is the sum total of the accessories that are apparently for the Mac Pro
00:30:11 ◼ ► You can also buy SS the expansions that are even more expensive than when you cool then put them out
00:30:17 ◼ ► So like I said before if going from one terabyte SSD to four terabyte SSDs basically adding three terabytes of SSDs a thousand dollar option
00:30:24 ◼ ► But if you try to buy that same upgrade aftermarket as opposed to just ordering it when you order your computer
00:30:31 ◼ ► I think it's seventeen hundred dollars. So if you'd like the little module upgrades if you buy them from Apple, they're even more expensive
00:30:41 ◼ ► Configure this machine because I felt like I was getting a machine that really had no equal in the Mac line that it was more
00:30:47 ◼ ► Powerful and in everything and every aspect and that's what a machine that cost this much money should be on the date of its introduction
00:30:53 ◼ ► It should be able to do literally everything better than every other Mac with the possible exception of single core performance
00:31:00 ◼ ► If you get a super high core count or whatever, but this Mac Pro does not cross that line
00:31:06 ◼ ► Mmm, I'm sorry John. I was excited for you. I genuinely I know it's kind of my shtick to poop on the Mac Pro
00:31:14 ◼ ► But I was excited to see it and I was excited for you, but I understand what you're saying
00:31:20 ◼ ► they didn't tout anything about how fast it is and how capable it is that things they tapped over like the things that are also
00:31:27 ◼ ► Mac studio with the m2 ultra and that's that's not a good Mac Pro introduction. You got to be able to show it
00:31:32 ◼ ► Doing something like even a contrived thing show it doing something that other max can't do and they just can't they mentioned the thing about
00:31:39 ◼ ► The 24 streams of 8k, but they didn't show it doing that and they don't sell any of those cards anyway
00:31:44 ◼ ► So it was very weird and for the people in the chat room asking what does this mean for me and my computer upgrade things?
00:31:53 ◼ ► The second things that it means is so what computer are you buying? You're gonna get em to max studio something like that
00:32:02 ◼ ► I think I'm going to hold tight with the computer that I have for a while longer and when the m3
00:32:08 ◼ ► Ultra max studio comes out or maybe even the m3 max max studio comes out that will probably be the machine that I replace this with
00:32:16 ◼ ► Another thing by the way, they could have made this announcement more exciting is an XDR replacement
00:32:21 ◼ ► Of course, they didn't have that either right? So no like, you know 8k 6k display with promotion something like that
00:32:30 ◼ ► Me trying to get like at the ultra so I can get a little bit more GPU. It's like well, who are you kidding?
00:32:45 ◼ ► Right, like, you know and you know, it does cost a lot of extra money. So we'll see I'm right now
00:32:57 ◼ ► Unless they massively revised the Mac Pro, although given these prices I shuddered to think how much a quad
00:33:04 ◼ ► Pro cost but again, at least the quad would be like look it's got double the number of cores
00:33:09 ◼ ► It's got double the amount of GPU and here are a bunch of benchmarks like whatever you do as long as it's not
00:33:24 ◼ ► Done really well on those things and so maybe you could help justify its outrageous price, but that computer doesn't exist
00:33:49 ◼ ► That how you please but I almost laughed out loud in the middle of you guys saying something not funny
00:34:02 ◼ ► Beta doesn't have an Intel version. I'm like, oh no. Oh, is that right? I did not know that
00:34:14 ◼ ► I don't think it is just a question of like I think someone tried to go download it and I think the the Apple silicon
00:34:19 ◼ ► One was up first or something like that. Yeah, but that it but that's in the back of my mind
00:34:23 ◼ ► We're just like well how you know, unlike my past computer that I could use for ten years
00:34:26 ◼ ► I can't use this for ten years because Mac OS is gonna drop Intel support before that so
00:34:30 ◼ ► I'm watching out for that. Yeah, I bet you probably have like one or two more years at least but you don't have ten
00:34:40 ◼ ► How do you how do you feel overall about the Mac specific hardware that was announced today?
00:34:46 ◼ ► I mean for me, I think is pretty darn good. Like I'm pleased that the Mac Pro is still something in their lineup
00:34:54 ◼ ► I echo your sentiments that make perfect sense, but I'll take this over nothing personally and I think you would probably agree
00:34:59 ◼ ► So I think this looks good. You mean the Mac studio like Marco said earlier, you know a boring update works for me
00:35:05 ◼ ► The new MacBook Air cheaper previous MacBook Airs all good all across the board. I give this two thumbs up Marco
00:35:11 ◼ ► What do you think? So first of all, I think the the rumors were that we were getting no back hardware today
00:35:16 ◼ ► So this is this was all a pleasant surprise and especially as I mentioned earlier how they all ship next week
00:35:27 ◼ ► It has it has omitted certain things at the very high end and that hurts the pro products, especially the Mac Pro
00:35:35 ◼ ► You know, that's what John is complaining about that like we it had in the Intel generations
00:35:40 ◼ ► It had higher capabilities and higher expansion potential than what the current ones have
00:35:51 ◼ ► Number of or like the percentage of Apple's customers who need the super high-end configurations of these computers
00:35:57 ◼ ► Has also dramatically dropped in the Apple silicon era in part for reasons that are crappy like, you know
00:36:02 ◼ ► That they've kind of lost certain certain high-end or specialized markets, but mostly because what the Apple silicon era has done is
00:36:11 ◼ ► What the low-end computers do, you know, if you look at that 15 inch MacBook Air, that's just the regular m2 chip
00:36:32 ◼ ► That used to need the big desktop towers with the maximum cooling the maximum processors the maximum RAM the maximum
00:36:50 ◼ ► Just things have gotten better over time, you know, just incrementally with tech but because
00:36:54 ◼ ► Even Apple's cheapest computers now as long as you give them enough RAM and disk space they can they can satisfy
00:37:09 ◼ ► So it's a great story like the Apple silicon story is a great story for almost everyone
00:37:28 ◼ ► Which we'll get to that when we talk about gaming in a little bit because it's not just the desire for third-party GPUs
00:37:33 ◼ ► But I just want to play modern games at a reasonable frame rate and the the plain m2 with no suffix is not doing that
00:37:39 ◼ ► For you, that's true. But like ultimately, you know most PC gaming happens on PCs like that
00:37:48 ◼ ► If you stop it, stop shipping any computers that can play high-end games and there's then there's no high-end games for your platform
00:37:54 ◼ ► Well, but you know, it's not like high-end gaming was super healthy on the Mac in the Intel era
00:38:01 ◼ ► Yes, but you know ultimately PC gamers don't buy max PC gamers buy awesome gaming PCs and that's that's how to
00:38:09 ◼ ► Way better and way cheaper than anything Apple sells and so, you know that that market largely, you know
00:38:16 ◼ ► I don't think Apple cares too much about the market. They never have and I think you know separately from maybe maybe some headset stuff
00:38:22 ◼ ► I don't think they ever are gonna really push into that market very much and and I we will talk about that when we get to
00:38:26 ◼ ► The gaming portion of the keynote. Yeah. Yeah, and then have some some relevant stuff there
00:38:30 ◼ ► But but I still don't think it's gonna be a massive area for them just because the markets are so different
00:38:34 ◼ ► But you know overall the Mac I think the Mac is continues to be in a very very good place for almost everyone
00:38:41 ◼ ► I mean look I have the giant 16-inch but the reality is if I swapped out my 16 inch for that new 15 inch MacBook Air
00:38:56 ◼ ► The fact is that even even they're like quote low-end computers are so good now and you can do you know?
00:39:03 ◼ ► The stuff that we used to that you used to quote require the high stuff video editing, you know
00:39:12 ◼ ► Surprisingly fast and capable even on the cheapest MacBook Air and that's so we're in an amazing place
00:39:22 ◼ ► but the number of people in Apple's user base who need the high end keep shrinking and shrinking and shrinking because
00:39:29 ◼ ► Almost everyone's needs across way more industries and use cases than ever can now be solved with their cheapest computers
00:39:36 ◼ ► And that's an amazing place to be overall. Yep. I completely agree. Yeah, I think the the maxi introduced today are all you know
00:39:51 ◼ ► They you know, it is exactly what they needed to make at a good price and you know, it's great the Mac studio
00:40:02 ◼ ► like way more than I'm interested in the Mac Pro because I feel like that's going to be my computer and the Mac my
00:40:08 ◼ ► Future in the Mac line is gonna be Mac studios and I don't want one that makes weird fan noises, right?
00:40:17 ◼ ► Well, look you already have an XDR. You can do a desktop laptop. I can tell you it's a really good setup
00:40:27 ◼ ► But yeah, I'm very interested in that. I'm but I'm glad that they bump the Mac studio, right?
00:40:41 ◼ ► Excellent. The m2 is like a 8.5 out of 10 because mostly because they didn't get it's not on a new process
00:40:55 ◼ ► So it's like m1 amazing. Holy cow. Can you believe it m2 small incremental improvement in m3?
00:41:00 ◼ ► I hope will be another jump and that will make all these computers, you know, even better than they are
00:41:20 ◼ ► I want if I'm honest, I want a more interesting looking case and not that it's bad. It's fine, but it's certainly not interesting
00:41:32 ◼ ► I it could have more panache especially at the prices because the Mac City is not cheap like you can figure I
00:41:44 ◼ ► That's really for most people that is the Mac Pro. I know but for 100 bucks. I want a little more panache
00:42:02 ◼ ► the the Mac announcements are good and fine the Mac Pro really took a little bit of wind out of my sales and now I'm
00:42:12 ◼ ► Well, if you want I mean the Apple will take other ways to take your thousands of dollars like they're offering some other interesting options
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00:44:32 ◼ ► Some interesting new stuff with contact posters, which is used in various places throughout iOS
00:44:47 ◼ ► Yeah way that's the way I took it. Yeah, I would assume it's contacts only to prevent the you know
00:44:56 ◼ ► The current system where you pick a contact thing and then everybody gets a stupid prompt on top of the screen says hey
00:45:02 ◼ ► Do you want to use it and you constantly have to dismiss it and carefully not pick it because you like your picture better
00:45:10 ◼ ► Like does this just like shove it at people but it doesn't it doesn't offer to add it to their contacts
00:45:22 ◼ ► So when you call somebody they can see your picture like a kind of a push type thing or something like that
00:45:27 ◼ ► but I feel like there's still this tension that wasn't really addressed in the explanation of this feature between
00:45:47 ◼ ► That I would prefer and I think she would be mad if I overrode that with something I pushed her
00:45:51 ◼ ► Yes, as far as I know I haven't tried I don't have the beta installed in my it's been a day
00:45:59 ◼ ► I think it is basically an expansion of that feature that like now you can specify this whole poster
00:46:07 ◼ ► I would assume that that like the receiving person probably has the option to not accept your customization
00:46:18 ◼ ► Yeah, but and I would assume it's somebody who has to be in your contacts already or who you've responded to this
00:46:25 ◼ ► Nothing happens if you respond then it will tell you hey, do you want to use this person's updated photo and name?
00:46:31 ◼ ► You know, so it's probably something like that for new contacts, but I think for existing contacts again
00:46:38 ◼ ► But you know for just in contacts it probably there's probably some kind of approval and you know decline available process there
00:46:46 ◼ ► Messages is getting some love. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm skipping skipping ahead live voicemail is exciting
00:46:52 ◼ ► Although I would assume that's gonna require carrier support. I would guess no, it's just doing a transcription
00:46:57 ◼ ► Yeah, it seems like it actually has replaced carrier voicemail though. Like the way this works mechanically
00:47:05 ◼ ► Even if you if you send it to voicemail, it seems like your phone is actually really answering it
00:47:18 ◼ ► This kind of thing picking up and a carrier thing picking up, you know, I worry a little bit about that
00:47:22 ◼ ► But it sure seems like it is it is taking on that whole responsibility directly on the phone
00:47:32 ◼ ► but you're also gonna like it's bad enough when you get interrupted in a meeting and like you're looking down at your phone and
00:47:37 ◼ ► The person speaking knows you're not paying attention because you're looking to see who called
00:47:40 ◼ ► Not only you're now looking to see who called you're also staring at your phone to watch the transcription slowly appear
00:47:45 ◼ ► So you're paying even less attention to the meeting. So maybe not the best example, but you know, perhaps a useful feature
00:48:04 ◼ ► But my understanding is there's a button that will let you jump directly to the oldest message that you have not yet read
00:48:13 ◼ ► Which I am so excited about that'll be very very cool audio messages are transcribed for the six people in the world that use them
00:48:20 ◼ ► You can do location stuff in line if you are a complete worry wart like hello me. It's me. I'm the problem
00:48:31 ◼ ► And I don't know how one establishes that you need or want to check in or how you establish
00:48:39 ◼ ► Whether or not you've gotten home or whatever place you're trying to travel to you and will automatically tell the person
00:48:44 ◼ ► That you're checking in with oh, you know Casey's arrived home safe and sound which I am pretty excited about
00:49:01 ◼ ► Additionally Sherlock fast. Oh fast text has been Sherlock eight ways to Sunday. I mean, it's long
00:49:08 ◼ ► Yeah, this is this is dug up its grave and then reburied it deeper. Yeah, pretty much pretty much
00:49:19 ◼ ► But maps has a similar feature and has for a couple years now where it lets you see, you know, somebody going down the road
00:49:31 ◼ ► so now apparently there's like a plus button to the left of the text entry field where everything lives and it tries to be smarter about
00:49:40 ◼ ► Hallelujah on that we've talked about that for so many years and it's like oh because when ever since they hid the attached photo
00:49:55 ◼ ► They've they've totally eliminated that part of the UI like it's there's not an extra row there
00:50:00 ◼ ► So you get more message space and everything's under a little plus and my impression from the thing is oh just sort by most recently
00:50:11 ◼ ► so I this I'm I was excited by this portion of the thing because the features they were saying like more sophisticated search and swipe to
00:50:17 ◼ ► Reply and a sane UI for doing message things have been so long coming but will have an outsized
00:50:24 ◼ ► Effect on my life. So I give this whole section a thumbs up even though kind of like marking is unread
00:50:29 ◼ ► It's things that they should have had ages ago better late than never. Yeah, this is all like, you know
00:50:41 ◼ ► But they're doing it now and like any kind of little improvement to messages that has such a massive
00:50:59 ◼ ► That's probably one of the reasons why they're fairly conservative with its feature set
00:51:13 ◼ ► My understanding is that messages is not as big a deal globally, but certainly here in the States
00:51:18 ◼ ► 100% agreed I live in messages it is far in a way that I mean I'd have to look at the stats
00:51:34 ◼ ► You can do name drop which I know some people are snarking on the name. I love that name
00:51:38 ◼ ► I think it's hilarious what you can name drop the NFC where you just basically bump your two iPhones together
00:51:47 ◼ ► This is gonna be an epidemic of people cracking each other's screens kind of like playing the Easter Egg game
00:51:53 ◼ ► Do not bang the back of your phone against the top front screen. Just everyone has cases. It'll be fine
00:52:00 ◼ ► Doesn't this doesn't this Sherlock an actual startup that was named bump wasn't that actually a thing something like that? Yeah, yeah
00:52:06 ◼ ► But they kept showing one over the top of another so it was like just I really hope I really hope this this happens with
00:52:30 ◼ ► because I frequently will airdrop something between a phone and a Mac or you know and usually phone to Mac and
00:52:43 ◼ ► It's a very slow process to airdrop something from your phone to your faster than file sharing in the finder. That's true
00:52:59 ◼ ► I do wonder if people gonna be taking their phones like pressing it again up against their screen
00:53:05 ◼ ► Especially if you have a desktop you got to hold it near the Mac studio or something or if you have a laptop indicate
00:53:11 ◼ ► And like your little holster you got to take the phone and rub it against your laptop or something
00:53:15 ◼ ► Yeah, and also now airdrop now can continue the transfer over the internet if the phone leaves the range
00:53:37 ◼ ► and then it care you can do the negotiation with you via NFC and then you can walk away and
00:53:44 ◼ ► Apparently it will just magically get uploaded to iCloud and then transferred and then I presume deleted thereafter
00:53:50 ◼ ► Which is super cool and I'm super excited about that. Not just NFC, like airdrop does the the peer-to-peer Wi-Fi thing. Yes
00:54:03 ◼ ► And and so it's actually they'll be a good thing to check is like what models of phone does this work on?
00:54:11 ◼ ► I think it was like somewhere around like the iPhone 12 or 13 like somewhere around there ish
00:54:24 ◼ ► Allegedly, they've really really honest. I promise seriously you guys I swear it's fixed this time
00:54:41 ◼ ► Including the debut of the vision Pro. Well, this Craig's saying those moments when you just want to type a ducking word
00:54:51 ◼ ► Oh my gosh, the best thing was he said that you know the key like you have to teach Apple
00:54:58 ◼ ► It says you when you want to type the ducking word you type it and then the keyboard will learn it, too
00:55:07 ◼ ► The words that Apple Apple walks in and pretend they don't know I wish I didn't remember all the same pitches
00:55:17 ◼ ► Oh, we've improved it so much and it's great and it will learn involved blonde. That was not the case
00:55:26 ◼ ► Doubtful that whether they've done or not. I loved everything they said I'm like, yes, please make it better
00:55:48 ◼ ► Or large language model. Yes, those were not mentioned and either was metaverse. Those are not mentioned
00:56:08 ◼ ► There's more precise language if you want to more precise and what they said about the new autocorrect and the new
00:56:13 ◼ ► Dictation which I'm very curious about the API or on that what they said was they're now using a quote
00:56:23 ◼ ► This is you know, this is like the kind of thing that chat GPT is like those large language models
00:56:28 ◼ ► Those are transformer language models. And so what it sounds like is that they built in some
00:56:36 ◼ ► transformer based language model into iOS 17 for both autocorrect on the keyboard and for dictation and
00:56:57 ◼ ► So this is that actually is a pretty big deal and if if it works if it has any chance of working
00:57:03 ◼ ► Well, it's gonna be with this kind of technology in this day and age. So they didn't call it AI
00:57:17 ◼ ► But I haven't seen them perform this function like people are typing on the keyboard try to figure out what they were saying
00:57:33 ◼ ► people are doing doing with them now having it perform a task or even like what I talked about in the past which is
00:57:48 ◼ ► I did note that they said some new technologies and said some new things about how it's gonna be better, but I haven't actually
00:57:54 ◼ ► Seen or used something that does autocorrect for phone keyboards that uses this type of model to say
00:58:07 ◼ ► Journal debuted so potentially bad news for day one. This was introduced by a DD. I didn't catch their last name
00:58:21 ◼ ► I got super excited because they said there would be an API for this and I took that as oh
00:58:32 ◼ ► Well, so hold on or you can ask for the others just the suggestions we've come up with and I thought that was a
00:58:45 ◼ ► But have it kind of fill some of this stuff out for me and I was so excited and then someone pointed out to me
00:58:50 ◼ ► Later, I think via like Mastodon or something or maybe there's a text message. But when I'm one way or the other somebody pointed out
00:58:55 ◼ ► No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you will be suggesting to Apple what they can include in journal
00:59:02 ◼ ► And I mean, I don't think we've seen these API's or certainly at the time as we record as we are recording
00:59:09 ◼ ► Yeah, I think that was perhaps too too generous say read on the situation which kind of bums me out because I love day one
00:59:27 ◼ ► 10 15 minutes of time into every single day and I'm very thankful for it every single day. So
00:59:32 ◼ ► Whether whether or not this Sherlock's day one, I think it's as always it's gonna be one of those situations
00:59:41 ◼ ► But I do think that based completely on my own experience. I think that journaling to some degree
00:59:50 ◼ ► I don't think it's required to be a healthy individual, but I think it is a healthy activity
00:59:57 ◼ ► And I think it's great that they're trying to provide a an outlet or vehicle for this for more people and and I'm I dig
01:00:06 ◼ ► Moving on we've got standby which is similar to the Apple watch when it's in I think nightstand mode
01:00:13 ◼ ► But basically if you put your iPhone horizontally, you can see a big old clock. You can see a bunch of widgets
01:00:34 ◼ ► And I don't know a lot of people that have stands that facilitate a landscape mounted phone
01:00:40 ◼ ► But I could totally see because I'm not one of those a holes that buys a new phone every year
01:00:46 ◼ ► I could totally see putting like one of these in the living room or in the kitchen or something like that and just making it
01:00:52 ◼ ► Chock-full of home kit buttons and having like a home kit, you know control centers sort of thing with like a couple year old phone
01:00:59 ◼ ► But either way, I mean, I I don't know that this is going to be a terribly popular thing to do, but I like it
01:01:07 ◼ ► It's kind of bridging the gap between like our generation that had clock radios on the nightstand. Yeah, that's a thing
01:01:16 ◼ ► landscape oriented but kind of vertical ish thing and the current past feud the generations they're after us because the generations are after us I
01:01:30 ◼ ► And so whenever the alarm goes off they reach over pick it up and press the button or whatever
01:01:35 ◼ ► Well, we know all you've got in your nightstand is a phone but we know from generations past
01:01:40 ◼ ► It's sometimes it's convenient to have it facing you so you can read the time by just turning your head instead of picking your head
01:01:54 ◼ ► But hey, it's a useful thing to you do with your phone when it's at orientation and you mentioned there's not many stands like that
01:02:02 ◼ ► There are a lot of people in our generation or older who would like to replace their clock radio with a phone
01:02:09 ◼ ► But right now it doesn't fulfill that role because it doesn't look clock radio ish and this does so thumbs up for old people
01:02:15 ◼ ► Yeah, I mean, I think this this is a cool feature set to add to an iPhone at the clock radio thing
01:02:26 ◼ ► ultimately what this really I think is much cooler of an idea for would be like a kitchen countertop thing, you know, like
01:02:33 ◼ ► similar to how people use voice assistant products like, you know, the Amazon Alexa line of stuff and and
01:02:39 ◼ ► You know, like they have they have various ones with screens and everything the Google Home stuff with this, you know
01:02:43 ◼ ► They have one with the screen. And so what's interesting is like why is this on the iPhone?
01:02:51 ◼ ► Foreshadowing maybe a dedicated product in this area which could be much better, you know, they're much much cheaper
01:03:02 ◼ ► It's too expensive and the ones that would be the most obvious things to do them would be the ones with always-on displays
01:03:13 ◼ ► So what this really wants to be first of all, I don't know why this isn't an iPad feature
01:03:19 ◼ ► Like this would be a great use of especially like an old iPad like if it's if it's old enough to run this
01:03:29 ◼ ► Yeah, but like, you know the fact that it couldn't that it you know, it I guess iPad do it
01:03:37 ◼ ► it's designed to be viewed at a distance like all these things like that it would be a lot better as a use for
01:03:44 ◼ ► Semi-retired iPad it would be great for that and it would also be great to have some kind of maybe good speaker built-in
01:03:53 ◼ ► With this as a screen like that could be a really nice kitchen counter kind of computer
01:03:57 ◼ ► So I'm hoping that this is just the precursor to future products that are devoted to this for like
01:04:04 ◼ ► You know kitchen counter use now bedside use that makes sense to be your phone because your phone's already on your bedside table
01:04:12 ◼ ► One interesting little tidbit they threw there at the end is they said that if you use a magsafe charger
01:04:20 ◼ ► So it says each magsafe charger will remember whatever view you configured for each magsafe charger
01:04:28 ◼ ► That's magsafe and then you also have a separate magsafe charger in the kitchen and you have two different views configured
01:04:32 ◼ ► I based on what they said. I think it will actually maintain separate settings for those which is pretty cool
01:04:47 ◼ ► Quilt screens where it shows all the different features we get sharing for find my items, which is pretty cool
01:04:54 ◼ ► And also pet recognition so it'll recognize pets that your pets in photos. I'm excited by this
01:05:03 ◼ ► Considering as far as we know we don't have any confirmation on the force quit all apps or hide all pictures future
01:05:12 ◼ ► We're waiting for that for such a long time because a huge percentage of my pictures of pictures of my various dogs and they are not
01:05:27 ◼ ► I've ever taken a picture of there's a lot of them too. I'd love to be able to just search for my specific dog
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01:07:46 ◼ ► It's very very limited the way this works and I'm probably gonna get some details wrong here, but my understanding is
01:08:03 ◼ ► By hitting this button you are firing that intent. It does that sound right Marco have you looked into this?
01:08:16 ◼ ► One of the things we said was look the way widgets work is those processes for those apps are not continuously running
01:08:24 ◼ ► Basically when you're you give the system a timeline of like here's here's what my widget should show
01:08:29 ◼ ► Between these time ranges into the future, you know, so you can configure like if you're making, you know
01:08:35 ◼ ► for this hour from this time to this time show this forecast and this time of this time show this forecast and then
01:08:50 ◼ ► But it's all based on like you're kind of pre rendering the content for the widget and then your app is not is is
01:09:07 ◼ ► The does it have to then relaunch your process in the background and the answer appears to be yes that they they didn't
01:09:15 ◼ ► You know change the way the process management is done that like your process is still not running
01:09:20 ◼ ► When you have a widget on the on the screen like that apps process is still not running continuously
01:09:29 ◼ ► you know limited types of interaction like buttons and toggles that you can use from Swift UI and
01:09:40 ◼ ► Which will wake up your apps process in the background and perform whatever action you need to perform
01:09:54 ◼ ► I've had a chance to actually try it because this all depends on how quickly that is happening in the background
01:10:04 ◼ ► What kind of interaction is really possible here are there is there throttling built in can I you know if somebody interact with it?
01:10:11 ◼ ► Constantly does like over and over again like if they tap it a whole bunch of times all in a row
01:10:15 ◼ ► Can I actually respond to that you know if I put like a play/pause button in there which their documentation seemed to suggest as a?
01:10:27 ◼ ► Like if people interact with it a lot does it throttle does it do the requests like back up is it fast enough is it?
01:10:33 ◼ ► Responsive enough to make that a good experience that remains to be seen and that might vary out depending on what kind of hardware you have
01:10:38 ◼ ► If somebody quote force quits your app out of the switcher does it take longer to wake it up if they tap on your widget
01:10:49 ◼ ► And they have done a lot of work over the years with like making the loaders faster and stuff like that like like processes can launch
01:11:02 ◼ ► But this all depends on on that speed like is it fast enough that most people wouldn't notice
01:11:11 ◼ ► Does it feel kind of like you're you know putting in a request and they're gonna bring your order out later
01:11:17 ◼ ► I'm optimistic because again they have done so much work with the loader and everything to make everything faster to launch
01:11:29 ◼ ► It's worth pointing out also this exact same system is now part of live activities as well so live activities can also now be
01:11:38 ◼ ► So there's a couple of minor differences, but they're they're minor so this this could be really cool
01:11:44 ◼ ► This adds yet more to the pile making a little bit of work for me and a lot of work for our friend underscore David
01:11:52 ◼ ► But this is you know this is gonna be probably a decent part of what my summer is spent working on because again now
01:12:01 ◼ ► Expected that apps like mine have now playing widgets that can actually work as little mini players, so this will be some work
01:12:08 ◼ ► But it's a really cool idea and if it works well if it's responsive if it's fast if it's not weirdly throttled
01:12:17 ◼ ► Yeah, I'm also worried about the latency and there's not a lot of good choices for Apple here
01:12:27 ◼ ► You know do the animation of the button being tapped highlight the button on the highlighted or whatever
01:12:34 ◼ ► The other choice is to wait until it has woken the app up and the app has responded in the affirmative to highlight the button
01:12:40 ◼ ► And both of those choices stink because if you highlight immediately it's like oh, it's great
01:12:45 ◼ ► But if you highlight immediately and it's taking a while to open the to to launch the app behind the scenes because it has 27
01:12:51 ◼ ► Add SDKs in it and takes forever to launch right then you press the button and from the user experiences
01:12:59 ◼ ► Nothing happened like for example with a play/pause I hit it and it like either it changes into the the play symbol because it was
01:13:07 ◼ ► Previously was paused and you press it and now it's like oh, I've paused and I'm gonna change it to the place up
01:13:11 ◼ ► But you still hear the music playing and now you now there's a disconnect the buttons is the play triangle
01:13:15 ◼ ► But you still hear the music playing or you press it and literally nothing happens until you wake up the app
01:13:28 ◼ ► Well-written apps that launch quickly, you know, especially if it goes to the extension not the app that can presumably launch even faster
01:13:37 ◼ ► There's nothing worse than an unresponsive UI and especially on things like the iPad where you've got
01:13:46 ◼ ► Little long in the tooth here. I know they're really super cautious about everything but
01:13:50 ◼ ► It's it may be it may be a little much like how much RAM do we have to have how fast these SOC have to be
01:14:06 ◼ ► I'm not sure they struck the right bounce, but we'll see it performance is not an issue that we find this
01:14:11 ◼ ► I know we'll get to this in a little bit, but they're supporting this on the Mac and on the Mac
01:14:14 ◼ ► It's not launching a process on your Mac. It's gonna talk to a process on your phone in some cases
01:14:19 ◼ ► So not only does it have to wake up a process. It's gonna wake up a process on a whole other device
01:14:26 ◼ ► You can see your charge level on your Lucid Air or whatever, but interaction press the thing on your Mac
01:14:31 ◼ ► So Mac says hey iPhone you around if you're around. Oh, by the way, here's an app intent
01:14:41 ◼ ► Acceptable performance watch get all over. Yeah, that's exactly that's exactly how watch stuff works
01:14:52 ◼ ► Like I'm guessing that you know, there is a pretty critical difference with process management whether you're talking about something that is just simply suspended
01:15:00 ◼ ► Which is basically pausing it and putting it in the background so it can't execute anything live
01:15:04 ◼ ► But when you want to resume a suspended process you just you know, unpause it and just then it keeps going
01:15:09 ◼ ► So it's much faster versus terminated if it's terminated it is quit and then you have when you do need to relaunch it
01:15:17 ◼ ► It has to load up, you know from scratch like load everything back into memory. I'm guessing I hope
01:15:22 ◼ ► That if you have if you've configured a widget for an app and it's currently being displayed
01:15:34 ◼ ► It's much faster to wake up because someone's gonna launch a game and you're gonna get booted out
01:15:38 ◼ ► Like you're not you're not gonna be suspended anymore. Like games will just take all available RAM on an iPad. Oh, yeah
01:15:48 ◼ ► I just I I'm I'm glad that they're moving and they're moving the right direction, which is more permissive
01:16:01 ◼ ► The hardware will catch up to the point where where we these limitations won't be quite as onerous
01:16:06 ◼ ► For what it's worth. It was pointed out by Adam the sack in the chat that friend of the show
01:16:18 ◼ ► We'll put a link in the show notes, you know, it looked like it looked reasonable granted. This is all simulators
01:16:26 ◼ ► All right, where were we which is one health? There's now the health app on iPad. That's cool
01:16:38 ◼ ► Apparently there's gonna be much more robust PDF support which is funny because I didn't ever think it was particularly bad
01:16:43 ◼ ► No, it's bad. So here's the thing with PDFs, but everyone loves to send you PDFs that they want you to fill out as forms
01:17:05 ◼ ► Most people have no idea how to even do what I just described because they do what I just described you have to know that
01:17:10 ◼ ► It's possible you have to know you have to download you have to know you can open in preview
01:17:12 ◼ ► You have to know preview has these features. This is much more in line where it's like well
01:17:16 ◼ ► We'll give it a shot right here where you see the thing in the mail app in the notes app
01:17:20 ◼ ► Like just you don't have to go anywhere. You know how to download it. You don't have to open in another map
01:17:24 ◼ ► It's right here. But then we're still faced with the same problem, which is like why does it only work?
01:17:28 ◼ ► Sometimes is it because people are bad at making PDF forms? Yes, they are bad at making PDF forms
01:17:32 ◼ ► I've had to multiple times download the trial of Adobe acrobat to use the one and only application
01:17:39 ◼ ► I could find that will successfully thought this to a PDF form. Yeah forms are bad. They should be web forms
01:17:49 ◼ ► it's probably the fact that Apple's media handling is correct according to the spec and
01:17:55 ◼ ► It's like I don't know if it's acrobat or something else like the equivalent of Chrome or it's like well
01:18:00 ◼ ► Whatever Chrome does is correct and Safari screw you even if you follow the standards, but
01:18:05 ◼ ► But I continue to find filling out PDFs frustrating on Apple platforms without the help of janky third-party PDF stuff that I don't use
01:18:11 ◼ ► Well, the good news is now what's changed is not AI it's quote new machine learning models
01:18:21 ◼ ► What's also cool is that they demo that if it identifies forms and it looks like something like, you know an address field
01:18:28 ◼ ► Yeah, another brute forcing it right because you can actually make forms with PDFs that says, you know
01:18:34 ◼ ► This area is where they're gonna fill in text and this but you can also brute force of it
01:18:41 ◼ ► because a lot of times people will send you a PDF that isn't a form that doesn't have places for you to put stuff and
01:18:48 ◼ ► So like again Apple's doing what it can which is like we can't we can't control the world of people sending out PDFs
01:18:56 ◼ ► You know apply our skills and knowledge to just say I don't care what the heck that PDF is
01:19:03 ◼ ► I thought it was cool though and it's really cool to like the stuff that they added with
01:19:07 ◼ ► Making PDFs a bit more of a like, you know first-class citizen inside of an inside of a note in the notes app
01:19:15 ◼ ► The notes app is like the master Sherlock er of Apple products like there it has Sherlock so many apps over its history
01:19:28 ◼ ► It's that you can keep multiple PDFs in the same note if you're like, you know doing a research product
01:19:34 ◼ ► That like, you know used to have to be a separate app and now notes does pretty much the same
01:19:41 ◼ ► I mean, I feel like it's still not ideal there. They were showing notes being used for that
01:19:47 ◼ ► I think what they're doing is saying look if you're gonna make a third-party version of this thing
01:19:51 ◼ ► Like I think is you know people call it Sherlocking but I think the definition has been lost
01:19:54 ◼ ► You're locking was like take an innovative idea for an app that has that you hadn't seen before that has a signature look and style
01:20:01 ◼ ► And feature set that is recognizable as this thing and make one just like it and that's not what Apple's doing instead
01:20:06 ◼ ► What they're doing is saying when you buy our products you get the base the functionality to do basic stuff
01:20:12 ◼ ► You can read email you can browse the web. You can take notes and like and that that basic functionality
01:20:17 ◼ ► How what is the basic functionality? How much what does it encompass continues to expand as computers get more powerful?
01:20:22 ◼ ► But the idea is you don't have to buy an Apple device and be like, okay now I got to spend 20 years in the App
01:20:27 ◼ ► Store asking my friends what I should download no out of the box. It will do all the basic stuff
01:20:36 ◼ ► The bar is now you can't just make a well-designed fairly basic notes or journaling app
01:20:45 ◼ ► That has a point of view that we don't have that you know that is more specific that is more flexible
01:20:54 ◼ ► It's just saying when previously you needed an entirely new app to do this at all now with the bundles app
01:21:05 ◼ ► But the fact that it's possible to do it at all means people don't have to suffer through hunting through for a third-party application
01:21:25 ◼ ► Something like Evernote where you want to collect all these ideas together for this one thing you're researching
01:21:39 ◼ ► And then you know if you need more advanced features, you can go to the more advanced apps
01:21:46 ◼ ► Really? I think notes if I had to pick like, you know, I've criticized Apple a lot in in recent years for
01:22:12 ◼ ► people people often don't think about it or don't think about how much value it's given them but like
01:22:26 ◼ ► Although it doesn't sync in the background enough. Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna that's a big
01:22:35 ◼ ► It sinks reliably once it's going but like the feature set like there's so much there's drawing there's checkboxes
01:22:42 ◼ ► There's like, you know photo like there's embedding all sorts of now. They have linking that's one of the new things the document scanner thing
01:22:48 ◼ ► Yes, like there's so much built into notes. I think notes might be the best modern Apple app and
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01:24:15 ◼ ► Now Mac OS Sonoma I when they were talking about why this is my ignorance to all things, California
01:24:22 ◼ ► But apparently no Mac OS Sonoma and this is where Jason Snell is rolling and getting very upset with me. Sorry Jason
01:24:26 ◼ ► But nonetheless Ariel got Sherlocked Ariel the I've been young Ariel screen savers for forever
01:24:33 ◼ ► Well, that's not a Sherlocking because Ariel was just a reimplementation of an Apple thing
01:24:39 ◼ ► And again, that's not Sherlocking. Yes taking Apple TV screen savers and putting them on your Mac now
01:24:43 ◼ ► Your Mac just has Apple TV screen savers right and now Apple put Apple TV screen savers on your Mac
01:24:48 ◼ ► So, you know Ariel filled the gap that Apple should have filled for a long time, which is hey
01:25:05 ◼ ► At least they finally picked a name that most people won't mispronounce or argue about how it's supposed to be pronounced
01:25:14 ◼ ► What do you think people are easier time with this name than Ventura? I don't know. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah
01:25:19 ◼ ► I hundred percent agree with Marco one one hundred percent. This is easier and it's not I don't know
01:25:28 ◼ ► I mean, that's not fair like you said I had never heard of Sonoma until freshman year at college when someone on my floor was
01:25:36 ◼ ► Well, I don't think it's you being sheltered that's Californian self-importance shining through because I mean, yeah
01:25:47 ◼ ► If you're going to take it as fact that they're going to name things after California or places in California fine, whatever
01:25:55 ◼ ► We talked about aerial widgets are on the desktop now like on the desktop properly and it they dim when other apps are active
01:26:02 ◼ ► I thought this was pretty neat. They they tint based on the wallpaper behind them. I thought that was kind of neat
01:26:06 ◼ ► This is where things get a little bit weird though. First of all, I had heard through the grapevine
01:26:11 ◼ ► This may not be true, but I had heard through the grapevine that has speaking of Sonoma that
01:26:20 ◼ ► Which is the last time I was asking about this drove like a piece of garbage like 10 year old Audi a6
01:26:25 ◼ ► But did you notice what widget he was using or what widget was sitting on his desktop today? I don't know
01:26:30 ◼ ► Is that real is that fake? Who knows? How could you know but he had the lucid air charge widget on his desktop
01:26:37 ◼ ► And that is a very nice and very expensive automobile, which I think if anyone can afford it
01:26:46 ◼ ► Apparently you don't need to install apps on your Mac in order to use widgets from your phone
01:26:52 ◼ ► You just need your phone on the same Wi-Fi network or within close proximity and then magic
01:26:59 ◼ ► Surely it'll work. No problem, right that that when they said that that you can access iPhone widgets on the Mac without
01:27:05 ◼ ► Installing the app on the Mac. Mm-hmm and they're interactive and yeah, and they're interactive again
01:27:16 ◼ ► I mean part of the reason why watch kit sucks so badly is that the watch is a very very low power device that is
01:27:25 ◼ ► forcing everything over Bluetooth and keep trying to keep things like in sleep state as much as possible because it's so it's it's so power constrained so
01:27:35 ◼ ► With you know things like laptops and phones which have bigger batteries and keep their Wi-Fi on more often and stuff like that
01:27:44 ◼ ► It can't be worse than watch kit. So or watch watch connectivity rather is the framework
01:27:49 ◼ ► Yeah, so hopefully it's better than watch connectivity and I think it probably will be but it's just this is so cool
01:28:03 ◼ ► Relevant and updated and stable and high quality at least they're giving it modern features, you know
01:28:09 ◼ ► At least they're keeping Mac OS relevant. It isn't it's as modern as dashboard, which is what seven years old
01:28:27 ◼ ► You know the the reliance on web technologies back then when it came out it made everything very sluggish
01:28:34 ◼ ► You'd like drag out the widget to plop on the onto the dashboard and you'd want and like it would it would pause for a second
01:28:43 ◼ ► Because it was like loading like it was basically loading a little web browser for each one of those things
01:28:48 ◼ ► So that's problem number one problem. Number two is that those were never updated in the background
01:28:52 ◼ ► So you would you would hit whatever it was was it f11? What was the dashboard key hot corner or a hot corner?
01:29:00 ◼ ► Everything in dashboard would be showing either blank data or stale data and then over the following couple of seconds
01:29:07 ◼ ► They would pop in with updated data because they weren't being updated in the background
01:29:17 ◼ ► They eventually did one big WebKit process for the whole thing instead of other ones and eventually they updated so fast about a time
01:29:24 ◼ ► The main thing I liked about dashboard was that it was off screen so you didn't have to deal with what they're doing here where?
01:29:29 ◼ ► They're like, oh they're dimmed because we don't want you to be distracted by them, but dimming them is gonna hurt their legibility
01:29:36 ◼ ► So imagine if they were just off somewhere on another screen that I get in a hot corner to get to
01:29:43 ◼ ► And by the way, if they did it with web technologies now, it would be lighting fast and they could update it in the background
01:29:47 ◼ ► But why bother because you've got Swift UI and this whole widget system, which is great
01:29:53 ◼ ► This is just sort of this is the whatever the opposite of a strategy taxes a strategy bonus strategy credit like this
01:30:12 ◼ ► They don't have to make something - what we're just totally out of left field because there was nothing like it now
01:30:16 ◼ ► Making it with Apple's first class, you know UI framework that works across all their platforms including their friggin headset
01:30:24 ◼ ► Yeah, and I think you know the reality is there there are two types of people out there
01:30:38 ◼ ► And I'm one of those people I had my desktops always covered in crap and when whenever whenever I like mention that or post a screenshot
01:30:48 ◼ ► but hello the reality is most people use their desktop as a drop spot as a working space because it's
01:30:54 ◼ ► What's it there for it's not supposed to be clear all the time. It's a working space. It's it's real estate
01:31:01 ◼ ► It's like people post those pictures like of like their real-life desks and there's nothing on them. Those people aren't doing anything
01:31:07 ◼ ► They're not working. That's not how it really looks if you're actually doing anything, you know
01:31:12 ◼ ► That's how people live and so the idea of putting a you know, which hit or a few widgets on my desktop
01:31:17 ◼ ► I'm not concerned about the clutter that brings it's already cluttered if it can bring me useful information great
01:31:31 ◼ ► I'd like to come back to that just try to blast through the other stuff real quick and then we can spend a few minutes
01:31:35 ◼ ► On gaming there were some video conferencing updates. There's presenter overlay where you can get a fake green screen
01:31:59 ◼ ► But then it will superimpose your screen as though it's being presented adjacent to your head
01:32:13 ◼ ► Especially if you can do this with you know, zoom and all the other video conferencing apps
01:32:20 ◼ ► So I thought that looked really really slick, but the guy's head is blocking half of a slide though
01:32:29 ◼ ► I would be dodging out of the way. I see this problem comically and the destiny videos I watch
01:32:33 ◼ ► They all have kind of like a same thing where they can show their screen with their little head superimposed and they're always blocking
01:32:40 ◼ ► Then additionally we got some talk about Safari again. I'm gonna try to make this quick
01:32:50 ◼ ► I think they were saying private browser window when you're not using it. I'm not entirely clear what that means
01:32:56 ◼ ► It's probably like locked notes where like if you have a lock note and you go away from it for a little while you come back
01:33:01 ◼ ► And it re-requires the authentication. I'm sure it's it's probably something like that. Maybe it requires Face ID or Touch ID to unlock it
01:33:16 ◼ ► This is something that even when I had an actual job didn't ever bother me that much but I can totally
01:33:29 ◼ ► But they also have their own personal Google account dealing with those but you can't deal with them both in a single profile
01:33:34 ◼ ► But having profiles in Chrome is super handy. So this is a catch-up feature for Apple, but it's it's a good feature. I
01:33:39 ◼ ► Hardly endorse it. Yeah this I actually didn't realize that this was implemented by anybody else because I'm not really a Chrome person
01:33:46 ◼ ► But this is great like is you know, so often we would I would just use like a different browser for certain things ago
01:33:51 ◼ ► I had this browser for this account and then I'll have this other browser that I launch only to use this other account like
01:33:57 ◼ ► Yeah, and what Chrome does is they let you have like different themes for the for the Chrome for the Chrome
01:34:02 ◼ ► Ha ha and the UI so you can kind of tell like this is the school when these are all the school windows are kind of
01:34:12 ◼ ► UI, but the button that switches profiles is strongly colored orange blue or whatever. So I think that's a good compromise
01:34:26 ◼ ► Oh, I'm sorry before we get there web apps on the Mac. You can do file add to dock. That's cool
01:34:31 ◼ ► Not from not something I feel like I would use but that's cool people are saying you're sure locking a thousand apps
01:34:38 ◼ ► there are and there have been so many apps in the Mac that did this exact job and Apple finally got around to doing it
01:34:44 ◼ ► After what like a decade a decade and a half that those apps have exist. Yeah now it's built in and
01:34:49 ◼ ► Arguably Apple did it first ish on the iPhone because I think from like day one you could basically save a website as a
01:34:59 ◼ ► But the thing before we move on and come back to gaming the thing that I am genuinely no sarcasm
01:35:05 ◼ ► Super freaking amped about is shared pass keys. So yeah recap and passwords not just pass keys
01:35:15 ◼ ► So pass keys and password. Oh, well, we all know what a password is pass keys that fancy thing where you can use
01:35:21 ◼ ► You know biometric authentication or whatever again, I'm probably getting these terms wrong
01:35:25 ◼ ► We get the gist of what I'm saying, but you can do use biometrics in order to authenticate onto websites and things like that
01:35:34 ◼ ► You don't have to invent ridiculously long complex passwords, and I'm super into this right now
01:35:39 ◼ ► Because one password eight and one password is a former sponsor and I love the people at one password. Really I do
01:35:51 ◼ ► Really not good and I think they're marching ahead with one password eight come hell or high water
01:35:57 ◼ ► so I've been shopping around for something to replace one password and I am a religious user of the
01:36:05 ◼ ► system where you can have a vault in one password of shared passwords that both Erin and I can see and
01:36:17 ◼ ► Pass keys and now I don't know how good it's gonna be. I don't know if it's gonna be easy or not
01:36:22 ◼ ► But at least there's a chance because shared pass keys and apparently passwords are a thing or will be a thing and I am
01:36:36 ◼ ► You can share pass keys passwords and verification codes, which means like the two-factor things and notes
01:36:42 ◼ ► Edits and updates seamlessly sync between group members and end encrypted share with family friends or other close contacts
01:36:47 ◼ ► So it's like it's the full thing. It's like, you know, you know iCloud keychain where you put your stuff
01:36:52 ◼ ► Well now some of that stuff can be shared. Excellent. Love it. Yeah, although there's there's still no like passwords app
01:36:59 ◼ ► It's still like kind of buried in any other settings or in Safari or like I know what the check
01:37:09 ◼ ► you know give it give us a little bit a little more features that are like one password in terms of just like the editing interface
01:37:14 ◼ ► And stuff like that just because they're they have all the pieces they like they have this amazing system
01:37:30 ◼ ► I'm I think I'm still gonna stick with one password just because I like having having that easy access to everything
01:37:35 ◼ ► So, you know, I know Apple again, I said a few minutes ago. They're not they're not great at making applications in recent years
01:37:47 ◼ ► I think that would ultimately not only would that make our lives better, you know as the nerds who use these kind of things already
01:37:57 ◼ ► Which is a laudable goal is to make this stuff build into everything. So it's easy to use some more people have better security
01:38:08 ◼ ► But these passwords being buried in in these places that most people don't even know you can go to access them
01:38:14 ◼ ► That's not good enough to achieve that goal. You need you need easier access for people to
01:38:19 ◼ ► See and edit and view this stuff instead of just being like it buried in a settings panel somewhere
01:38:30 ◼ ► Like it's supposed to be right there in Safari, you know auto filling and everything like that
01:38:39 ◼ ► So if it was a separate app presumably you'd have a bigger team to do that UI and you know
01:38:44 ◼ ► Cuz like the guts of this feature are the important part the back end the syncing the end-to-end encryption
01:38:58 ◼ ► That's it's kind of like not an afterthought but they don't have the resources to go a whole hog of like
01:39:03 ◼ ► To even come close to competing with one password for the features of the actual app that you go to but in general
01:39:11 ◼ ► But sometimes you do need to go there and when you do the app is just kind of like well first of all
01:39:16 ◼ ► It's not an app. It's buried in settings the second. It's just you know, it's there the stuff's there. It's fine
01:39:20 ◼ ► well, and I feel like you know, if they had an app they could you know, it kind of pushes them more in the direction of
01:39:34 ◼ ► Apple's version of that app. So for instance chrome on the Mac kind of a big thing. I know safaris better
01:39:51 ◼ ► Oh, it has a way to integrate it with but Google doesn't use that way. So it doesn't integrate like there are API's
01:39:57 ◼ ► Google could integrate with it, but they choose not to right but like Apple Apple doesn't Apple make an extension for chrome for Windows to do
01:40:11 ◼ ► Open up a little more of the access to this to reflect what people actually want and do
01:40:21 ◼ ► You know, you know now we're kind of just stuck with things like one password to fill that role instead, which is fine
01:40:26 ◼ ► Those are those are good apps to an extent but for those of us who are like mostly Apple based, you know in our ecosystem
01:40:32 ◼ ► Apple solution is largely better in a lot of ways and I wish I could kind of go all in on it
01:40:37 ◼ ► But there's still these little these little areas that keep me on one password that anyway, maybe it's selfish
01:40:41 ◼ ► But I think they could get more people using this feature and benefiting from Apple's increased security
01:40:51 ◼ ► Yeah, I agree with what you're saying. I think for now I would also stick with one password, but
01:41:00 ◼ ► knowing that if one password forces me on one password eight because I actually downgraded to seven and oh my god my experience got so
01:41:16 ◼ ► I feel like I would just have to suffer through with one password eight which maybe it's gotten better than last month
01:41:21 ◼ ► Who knows the chat room seems to disagree with me here, but I can tell you it's been nothing
01:41:27 ◼ ► So anyways, this gives me hope that there are that there will be a workable alternative, which I am super into
01:41:34 ◼ ► Alright, we have been recording for something to the order of an hour and a half hour 45 minutes
01:41:48 ◼ ► So use your time wisely sir go seems like you're wasting a lot of time with that preamble. I could have just done it quickly
01:42:11 ◼ ► We are showing it playing on a Mac with jumpy bad frame rates. Is anybody excited by that?
01:42:15 ◼ ► Oh and he says he's excited to bring his future games to the Mac presumably four years after everybody has already played them
01:42:21 ◼ ► Like the game technologies Apple has on the Mac platform are probably better than they've ever been before
01:42:27 ◼ ► The problem is one the hardware they sell doesn't have enough GPU power for the amount of money that you spend on it
01:42:33 ◼ ► - there is no high-end as we just discussed for gaming at all and three nobody makes games for it
01:42:41 ◼ ► You know solve that chicken and egg problem. They're not making better hardware and paying people to make better software
01:42:47 ◼ ► They don't have killer up software that's then, you know able to run on it. It's just I
01:42:51 ◼ ► Don't this presentation. I don't know why they bother doing this like who who is you know?
01:42:57 ◼ ► Who wants to play Death Stranding who has not already played Death Stranding on a $500 box at better frame rates than this, right?
01:43:05 ◼ ► And and what I don't understand is how the heck do all the gaming API's get budgeted at Apple all these things where you convert
01:43:11 ◼ ► Your shaders and the whole thing that are like here's where you can run your think Windows game and emulation on the Mac will estimate how?
01:43:17 ◼ ► it's gonna perform and will recompile your shaders and like all the whole technology stack they have for metal and the and the
01:43:22 ◼ ► scale like they have like a full featured their own little world of gaming technology stack with metal and their GPUs aboard and it's good and
01:43:30 ◼ ► It performs well and you know, it takes it does really well on the on the chips that Apple makes right?
01:43:36 ◼ ► But what what is that all for like it's not forgetting. What is it all for? How do they get money?
01:43:47 ◼ ► It just amazes me how much time and effort Apple puts into this and what an amazing job
01:43:52 ◼ ► They do only to just stumble at the finish line because the company itself has no idea how to encourage a healthy
01:44:23 ◼ ► They're doing full-on emulation like almost like and I mean, I know wine is not an emulator
01:44:28 ◼ ► But almost sort of kind of like a wine sort of thing again more emulation than than facade
01:44:41 ◼ ► It's mostly just a developer tool to let people know. Hey, were you to port this game to the Mac?
01:44:45 ◼ ► Like here's how it might perform even before optimization or here's our estimate like it's it's just an entire like hey person who has a
01:44:57 ◼ ► By your game. Well, look at all these tools we have for you. We give you the tools for free
01:45:01 ◼ ► Well, you have a thing that recompiles your shaders and all you have to do is change all your graphic stuff to use metal
01:45:06 ◼ ► It's really easy. Just watch all these sessions and learn metal and the developers like I already stopped listening
01:45:15 ◼ ► I mean, it's nice that they had unity there, but they didn't have unreal on stage and it's just
01:45:21 ◼ ► It's such a weird split between the amazing technology and the the phenomenal GPUs for the power envelopes
01:45:30 ◼ ► It's like yes for a 15 watt SOC their GPU power is amazing and their API's were accessing it are amazing
01:45:41 ◼ ► Development ecosystem to speak of on the Mac on the on the iPhone they do and I've had a little bit less
01:45:49 ◼ ► So I don't I I really hope they solve this not by saying let's give up on gaming again because they did that they did
01:45:54 ◼ ► Like input sprockets and game sprockets and they gave up on it for like two decades and now they're back but they still
01:46:04 ◼ ► I guess that technology useful elsewhere and we'll talk about it when we get to the headset, but this was kind of a
01:46:09 ◼ ► Depressing another depressing section of the keynote. Well, and I I don't know it's hard for me to understand what their
01:46:16 ◼ ► preferred order of operations is or what their preferred approach is because it appeared to me like
01:46:32 ◼ ► But they prefer if you convert your shaders and do all the stuff with metal and blah blah blah and says boom Bob
01:46:38 ◼ ► That's not what I got from it, but I'll have to watch it again. Yeah, I mean, I'm not confident that I'm right either
01:46:42 ◼ ► It could be either one of us, but I just thought it was it's it's cool that they're saying well since nobody wants to actually
01:46:56 ◼ ► But steam deck doesn't seem to excess. Look just run your PC games and we'll just handle the details
01:47:06 ◼ ► Air pods get adaptive audio, which is kind of in transparency and active noise cancellation all one
01:47:12 ◼ ► Also conversation awareness will duck the volume of music. That's cool. I am I'm into that
01:47:24 ◼ ► The idea that you that you kind of wouldn't need to turn on noise cancellation and transparency
01:47:35 ◼ ► Hope two things. I hope that works. Well, I also hope that's not the only option going forward
01:47:40 ◼ ► You know, I hope you can still just have transparency or just have noise cancellation if you want to and you probably can hopefully but
01:47:47 ◼ ► If they can pull that off, that's really nice. I mean, you know the the examples they gave
01:47:51 ◼ ► You know the leaf blowers versus conversations that all sounds really good. Like it seems like you know, it demos well
01:47:57 ◼ ► It sounds really good. I hope this works because that if it works as well as they say it could be really cool
01:48:02 ◼ ► You know the the conversation detection as you mentioned where like someone talks to you it'll automatically like lower your music like that's again
01:48:13 ◼ ► That I'm a little scared of but I'm glad they were touching it is they they mentioned they've like dramatically improved the cross device switching
01:48:40 ◼ ► I still reliably have the bug where I will be leaving my house with my air pods to go take a dog walk or something and
01:48:56 ◼ ► Which I never pair them to my Mac in you know in the next room over and by clicking the stem on the air pods
01:49:07 ◼ ► Out of the Mac speakers. Yeah, I've had that happen like once or twice but it's very rare for me
01:49:17 ◼ ► We're clicking the stem on my air pods as they walk out the door makes my Mac start playing fish in the other room
01:49:47 ◼ ► Never offer to automatically connect it to anything else besides the devices I connect it to
01:49:52 ◼ ► Like don't you know when you walk in here when I walk in here my Mac while wearing these air pods
01:49:56 ◼ ► Don't put a little notification that says connect to the air pods when I walk by my family who's watching something on the Apple TV
01:50:08 ◼ ► Connect to Marco's air pods like and then if I click a button in the air pods you can turn that off
01:50:19 ◼ ► But you can't turn that off like on the Mac as far as I can tell and you can't turn it off
01:50:22 ◼ ► You can't say for a given pair of air pods like never auto connect to anything unless I've told you to
01:50:28 ◼ ► You could you if they go to each device and say on each device for each pair of air pods
01:50:32 ◼ ► Say don't automatically reconnect and then sometimes it just forgets that setting and reconnects anyway
01:50:52 ◼ ► Hotels allegedly maybe like six of them will allow you to scan a QR code and then connect to the hotel Wi-Fi and connect to
01:51:07 ◼ ► But I can imagine that that will be super cool for me in a few years now teenagers all use Spotify
01:51:14 ◼ ► To shake well for me that that's great for like your spouse who's in the passenger seat like that's like to me
01:51:38 ◼ ► So we keep it on my car so I can you know, keep my driving directions up and everything
01:51:43 ◼ ► Figure out what she's playing and then try to send it to my phone in some way that works while we're driving or use Siri
01:51:49 ◼ ► And so this to be able to have her just like just play something play like an Apple music playlist from her phone
01:51:56 ◼ ► Onto the carplay head unit without it switching like that's really nice if that feature works at all
01:52:02 ◼ ► That's gonna be a nice little quality life improvement for a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah, I completely agree
01:52:06 ◼ ► TV OS and Apple TV were mentioned we got a new control center, which I think look pretty good
01:52:12 ◼ ► You can locate the remote using iPhone which I don't think requires new hardware, which I am very excited about
01:52:22 ◼ ► You can do FaceTime on Apple TV if you use continuity camera, which I thought was super cool
01:52:28 ◼ ► I can I can absolutely imagine occasions when I would want to do that with like grandparents or something like that and
01:52:38 ◼ ► Pictured on screen overcast was was in the keynote at least briefly, which is super exciting. So congratulations Marco. Yep. Yep
01:52:46 ◼ ► Yeah, the icon it was part of a one of those like, you know, lots of features slides and it was about
01:52:54 ◼ ► But there's going to mechanism for you to ask Siri on a home pod to play to initiate playback
01:53:04 ◼ ► So before you couldn't do that before like there was you could you could tell a home pod to play music and it would play
01:53:17 ◼ ► You could take the phone out and begin playback and airplay it to the home pod like all manually from the phone
01:53:34 ◼ ► But totally by voice without taking the phone in your pocket and that I've been hoping for this for so long
01:53:43 ◼ ► I assume the reason they put my app on the slide is that maybe it just automatically works
01:53:47 ◼ ► Because if you maybe if you take advantage of Siri app intense, which I do for playing audio
01:54:00 ◼ ► My app on the slide in the keynote like or at least see my icon on the slide in the keynote
01:54:05 ◼ ► That's that's a huge like, you know developer, you know win like I've had in a long time ago. I had instapaper
01:54:28 ◼ ► You turn the crown to reveal widgets and smart stack. They went all in on like vertical paging which I think makes sense
01:54:34 ◼ ► You apparently there's a widget to hold your complications now, which at first I was like
01:54:42 ◼ ► What but I guess that kind of makes sense. It's a little unusual, but I think I can get behind it
01:54:51 ◼ ► time can even move to the center to display because it's usually in the upper right hand corner of memory serves and the time will
01:54:56 ◼ ► Automatically move to the center if need be because love that import. Yep developers can put stuff in the toolbar up there really dig that
01:55:02 ◼ ► We get Snoopy and Woodstock faces. I am NOT a huge fan of these animated faces. I think they're clever and cool
01:55:12 ◼ ► They seem to interact with not only what's going on around you but with you know things that are happening on the watch
01:55:21 ◼ ► So Woodstock doesn't get rained on because it was raining allegedly when that happened, which I thought was super neat
01:55:31 ◼ ► Most of this I thought was cool. But I mean again, I'm not a big cycle or cyclist whatever and I don't hike often
01:55:40 ◼ ► But I thought was really neat was last known cellular contact waypoint. So as you're hiking it'll say
01:55:47 ◼ ► Oh, this is the last place that I had cell coverage. So if you have an emergency you can like run back there, hopefully
01:55:59 ◼ ► Mental health has mood logging which which is also available on iPhone and iPad and the watch you can take standardized
01:56:09 ◼ ► Which I thought was interesting they also talked about vision health and how you can reduce myopia
01:56:20 ◼ ► Anyway affects like a third of the population probably gonna be more in the future. So it'll tell you. Hey, you should probably
01:56:26 ◼ ► You know scoot your face away from the screen if it if you are using something like an iPad with face ID
01:56:32 ◼ ► And also it'll measure for kids especially it'll measure how much time they spend outside using the ambient light sensor to tell you if hey
01:56:39 ◼ ► You should maybe get outside because some of those, you know, some of the sun's rays really help your eyes
01:56:43 ◼ ► Anything else on watch before we move to the one more thing? Well, the the watch face situation remains
01:56:49 ◼ ► Dire. Yes, I mean so I with the with the new focus on widgets and everything this this seems like
01:56:56 ◼ ► This is this is kind of like the the rebirth of the Siri watch face, which they launched a long time ago now
01:57:02 ◼ ► And it was kind of this, you know dynamic context sensitive little rectangles that would come up depending on what was coming up
01:57:10 ◼ ► So this is this is that final version 2 and I like that you can just kind of scroll down from any watch face
01:57:20 ◼ ► You can kind of get this this kind of contextual widget based awareness and dynamic functionality now with any face
01:57:29 ◼ ► Still want third-party watch faces or at least much more customization available via the widget system
01:57:39 ◼ ► So for instance like a full screen widget that maybe just has the clock in the top center or something like that
01:57:43 ◼ ► You know is some other ways that we can do this. Maybe we can do some of this now just with this new system
01:57:50 ◼ ► Still want custom watch faces. I'm still not surprised that they didn't give it to us and in the meantime
01:57:58 ◼ ► I like the the with the with the cycling workout thing the way that you can now use your phone as a
01:58:08 ◼ ► You know because like a lot of people will have a mount on there by candlebars or something to stick their phone there
01:58:13 ◼ ► So you can see real-time stuff there rather than having to look at your watch which on a bike is is you know?
01:58:19 ◼ ► A little bit of a clumsy and slightly dangerous maneuver. So ideally so this is this is actually really nice
01:58:29 ◼ ► There's like the new high frequency motion data access on the series 8 and ultra for the golf and tennis swing
01:58:38 ◼ ► It's actually a fairly, you know, medium grade watch OS update. It's not a massive revamp like we thought it's an it's a nice
01:58:53 ◼ ► But about the same in average years in terms of user facing features. There's not a ton of user facing new features
01:59:00 ◼ ► There's some little refinements here and there there's some new workout functionality. So in that kind of way, it's it's kind of as expected
01:59:06 ◼ ► I am interested though and excited about the new design stuff possible that I made made easy
01:59:13 ◼ ► By all the new, you know design language around those cards and the the corner toolbar items stuff like that
01:59:28 ◼ ► You know background execution limits and stuff like that have actually been lifted or not and I'm guessing probably not. Yeah
01:59:34 ◼ ► I would like to take just a two second pause here and evaluate what if this was the whole of
01:59:43 ◼ ► Super revolutionary that was introduced except maybe the Mac Pro, but I think it's a pretty good WWDC
01:59:51 ◼ ► I mean, these are all very mature platforms. We got nice quality of life improvements pretty much everywhere
02:00:02 ◼ ► I will remember this until the end of time kind of WWDC but a pretty good one. I mean John, what did you think?
02:00:12 ◼ ► The if the headset wasn't there they would have added more of the stuff that was in the state of the Union because there's lots of
02:00:20 ◼ ► So it was much more like a sort of Mac world Expo keynote than a WWDC one because they had to fit all the products in
02:00:29 ◼ ► Marco thoughts. Yeah, I I think it would it would we know without without the headset it just seeing what we saw so far and the
02:00:41 ◼ ► I mean, obviously we would have had more explained to us in the keynote because the you know
02:00:46 ◼ ► The keynote is usually about two hours long and in this case, you know before before at this point with everything we've covered
02:00:54 ◼ ► So, you know, there's 40 more minutes of content that is taken up by the headset that they would have expanded upon other things
02:01:02 ◼ ► But yeah, I think it would have been a pretty good WWDC. I mean these are all pretty nice, you know incremental but not revolutionary
02:01:11 ◼ ► Well, we had Mac Harbor release at the beginning the most some of which were great some of which John hates
02:01:27 ◼ ► Well, I have one more thing and this is the first Apple product you look through not at and we are introduced to the vision
02:01:49 ◼ ► Storied history in 3d or whatever like I feel like the marketing team probably said the reality opens them up to too much snark
02:01:59 ◼ ► Yeah, I mean honestly like I first of all full credit to them this name did not leak at all
02:02:10 ◼ ► Maybe rally Pro and then XR OS like those those were the names that because those were in the code
02:02:15 ◼ ► Those are in all the open source code and I bet the symbol the e-num will probably still be reality OS and they did trademark
02:02:20 ◼ ► XR OS but they you know you trademark stuff just defensively to make sure one else no one else has it, right?
02:02:24 ◼ ► Yeah, and and there are there are a few different places in the code so far where you see the word reality like in
02:02:29 ◼ ► Various enum values and stuff like that. I mean reality composer is what they did brand that particular
02:02:35 ◼ ► Product that is related to this but yet reality OS was the code name. Maybe they'll change it
02:02:39 ◼ ► That's the type of thing they can change with it with the source code before release. No, but I see I think
02:02:57 ◼ ► everything else is about creating a virtual environment inside the headset and the the AR
02:03:26 ◼ ► We're not leaning that heavily into full blackout mode where you're totally isolated from everything else
02:03:33 ◼ ► the whole product is designed around that and that will set it apart greatly from its competitors in most ways and
02:03:45 ◼ ► That sets the tone for this product which is this is not about creating alternative realities for you most of the time. This is about
02:03:53 ◼ ► Integrating the technology more into your your surroundings and you know making you remain part of the world
02:04:17 ◼ ► Setting that as the tone and and setting that right the meaning of the expectation like I can tell you when
02:04:23 ◼ ► When they when they did that unveiling video, you know, and here it is and you see that you see the thing and you're like
02:04:29 ◼ ► Okay, cool, you know goggles looks cool in a nice glass and metal you see a bunch of cameras on the bottom
02:04:34 ◼ ► Everyone was like super excited, but that was pretty much with an expectations and it was masterful
02:04:38 ◼ ► They did it when that video shows the woman's face who was wearing it and it like it lights up and her eyes are there
02:04:54 ◼ ► It everyone I'm telling you it was to feel that in that audience was really cool and because that surprised everyone
02:05:02 ◼ ► We heard the rumors that it had an outward-facing screen to show the eyes of the wearer and that sounded like the most ridiculous
02:05:08 ◼ ► Everyone's like that's some people thought that that must have been like a joke to suss out leakers. It sounded ridiculous
02:05:23 ◼ ► Demoed it working or show it working like in the videos again. I haven't seen one or tried one yet, but
02:05:41 ◼ ► Like they one of the things I think didn't leak is the lenticular thing where it doesn't just show a single image
02:05:49 ◼ ► You're looking at it, but bottom line is the headset six out sticks out from your face by an inch or two
02:05:58 ◼ ► And they do the best they can to make your eyes not seem like they're on the surface of the headset
02:06:04 ◼ ► But they're not where your eyes are supposed to be so the front view they showed in the keynote is putting its best face forward
02:06:26 ◼ ► You know like like the illusion that they were giving you in that reveal that could be real with
02:06:32 ◼ ► Transparent OLED screens that I think LG made a transparent OLED TV, and it's it's kind of silly technology
02:06:38 ◼ ► But it does exist it just that you know it to do a headset with that where we that doesn't quite work right now
02:06:43 ◼ ► But it's not out of the realm of possibility as this thing shrinks to have something like that
02:06:48 ◼ ► But yeah, I agree with you Marco that vision is a good name for a thing where they're trying to pitch the the AR aspect
02:07:17 ◼ ► Portion of the keynote when they were showing you what the wearer of this is supposedly seeing because all those images are simulated right
02:07:24 ◼ ► They were not I have it on good authority that everything that was shown from the perspective of the wearer
02:07:31 ◼ ► Was actual capture from the real hardware. We'll see we'll see how that goes like here's the thing like
02:07:38 ◼ ► Obviously the production values on this are very high so even the things they just film in real life look better than they would look
02:07:44 ◼ ► If you just you know took your iPhone and took a picture of something because everything's well well lit and so on and so forth
02:07:53 ◼ ► That you know you mentioned the other headsets don't mean that heavily into they just have that feature as an afterthought
02:08:00 ◼ ► So you don't like hurt yourself getting in and out of your chair like they have that feature
02:08:10 ◼ ► To grab something on your desk to find your mug right it's a utilitarian function because otherwise you'd basically be wearing a blindfold
02:08:16 ◼ ► Stumbling around your house with an expensive thing on your face right whereas Apple saying no
02:08:21 ◼ ► This isn't like an afterthought to keep you from tripping. This is a major feature of the product. We're leaning heavily into AR
02:08:40 ◼ ► There's more dynamic range in the real world than there are on even the most amazing screens
02:08:45 ◼ ► And so there's always and no matter how good the lenses are no matter how good the resolution is
02:08:52 ◼ ► Looking at the room with your eyeballs and looking through a screen because the screen isn't able to
02:09:05 ◼ ► Gaming headset with an afterthought looking at the room feature meets this one because they are both limited by
02:09:10 ◼ ► Screen technology now granted the screen is gonna be probably better than the gaming thing you have unless you have a very very high-end gaming
02:09:18 ◼ ► Headset, but it's not going to be better enough to feel like you were really looking at your room
02:09:23 ◼ ► What you're really looking at is a video of your room or like if you imagine take your iPhone and look at the screen
02:09:28 ◼ ► It's got 1600 nits of brightness right a really amazing fidelity, but you pointed it in the room
02:09:33 ◼ ► It doesn't quite look the same as looking at the room with your actual eyeballs, which I don't be fair
02:09:37 ◼ ► I don't think is that big of a deal, but I think that's the part where you need the image assimilated disclaimer
02:09:43 ◼ ► I think they are misleading in the way that all advertising and misleading is that they are showing an idealized scenario
02:09:57 ◼ ► I have it on very good authority that they were actually captured from the hardware like so, you know
02:10:06 ◼ ► Like, you know, there were things that were showing like, you know outside of the video like outside of the user what they look like
02:10:10 ◼ ► And in those kind of cases compositing might have been used, you know, or maybe you know
02:10:16 ◼ ► But that what it's showing inside the headset that was all hardware captured and that is amazing
02:10:24 ◼ ► Well, it has the advantage of being incorporated into a video like it's these are being incorporated into a video
02:10:30 ◼ ► Which is also limited by the limitations of a screen or whatever when I was comparing it to is looking at your actual living
02:10:35 ◼ ► Room versus looking at a video of your living room. Whereas this everything is video of living room
02:10:46 ◼ ► No, and and again like, you know, you can yeah if you want to criticize ideal conditions. Yeah, they were ideal conditions
02:10:55 ◼ ► They actually captured from the hardware. The only way to solve this is for Apple to send us all headsets so we can try it ourselves
02:11:00 ◼ ► Seeing will be believing no and that's like so going back on you know on that point the the one thing
02:11:18 ◼ ► I asked various people and the one thing I want to know first is how convincing is the transparency simulation?
02:11:26 ◼ ► you know like how when you put it on how much do you feel like you're looking through it and
02:11:30 ◼ ► What every single person who has tried it has told me so far again most of them are Apple people
02:11:35 ◼ ► So, you know, they're there. I'm sure they're optimistic, but they've all said it's a really well done illusion
02:11:40 ◼ ► So that's what I really want to know because that that matters so much and you know if it took
02:11:44 ◼ ► You know, obviously what Apple is going for here again with the whole the whole vision angle
02:11:51 ◼ ► Focusing much more in AR than VR making it much much better of an integrated citizen of the environment around you in terms of
02:12:00 ◼ ► You don't look like you're well you do look ridiculous, but you look less ridiculous than if you're just in a VR headset like, you know
02:12:10 ◼ ► Clearly that was clearly like the number one design goal and then everything else fell from that
02:12:20 ◼ ► Deliver that tech to do that that makes sense like that makes total sense like they they couldn't make a good enough
02:12:32 ◼ ► Well enough until they had whatever these components are, you know, these these super high-end little screens
02:12:44 ◼ ► it makes sense that they waited till now to do this and it makes sense that this product is starting at such a high price point
02:12:52 ◼ ► Vision series headset from Apple that doesn't have this convincing illusion and that's pretty cool
02:13:02 ◼ ► There are there are some very high-end very specialized headsets that have that kind of thing
02:13:06 ◼ ► but they're even more expensive and and much less general-purpose anything much more specialized and
02:13:11 ◼ ► Even they I don't from people who have used them. I don't think they do as good of a job
02:13:16 ◼ ► That's the one thing I really want to know and that's I'm hoping to get a chance to try one before I leave here
02:13:29 ◼ ► I'm curious how sharp text actually really is because that's another thing like, you know
02:13:33 ◼ ► if you've ever used one of the gaming headsets there, you know, their resolution is garbage by comparison and
02:13:37 ◼ ► Text is so chunky and blocky and the idea of having your Mac show a little 4k virtual screen and your viewport
02:13:54 ◼ ► Yeah, so let me I was gonna touch that in a little bit but because you brought it up now
02:13:57 ◼ ► This is a thing that I just want to make clear to people we've alluded to it many times
02:14:03 ◼ ► They said that you have more than 4k per eyeball on the little screens that are inside there
02:14:08 ◼ ► So there's one thing I don't know but I'm willing to give Apple the benefit of the doubt
02:14:18 ◼ ► But if each of your eyeballs has its own dedicated 4k screen that should be more resolution than a 4k monitor
02:14:35 ◼ ► Means that you can show more than 4k pixels because each guy has a slightly different view on the world and you should be able
02:14:42 ◼ ► To resolve more dots. I don't actually know if that's true, but I'm willing to let's just give it the most optimistic one and say
02:14:46 ◼ ► Let me let me read to you from the marketing website more pixels and a 4k TV for each eye
02:14:53 ◼ ► The custom micro OLED display system uses 23 million pixels delivering stunning resolution in colors and specifically does not and a specifically designed
02:15:08 ◼ ► Does that mean that you can see the equivalent of 8k pixels because each get each eye is 4k and they see slightly different pixels
02:15:22 ◼ ► Right. So when they show a monitor floating in front of you that can't be an 8k monitor at true resolution
02:15:29 ◼ ► because if it wasn't 8k monitor true resolution, it would literally extend from edge to edge of your field of view and that would not
02:15:35 ◼ ► Be a comfortable way to look at a monitor because you just it's too wide for you to see
02:15:39 ◼ ► So every time they say oh you can put a monitor in front of you and it's like a 4k monitor
02:15:45 ◼ ► 50% of my field of view because the only way it's gonna be true 4k to get the Marcos point about sharp text is
02:16:08 ◼ ► the entire field of view for your left eye is 4k and the entire field of view for your right eye is 4k and the
02:16:16 ◼ ► So I think it will be the resolution will be good probably matching the best gaming headsets
02:16:22 ◼ ► But you won't for example, you won't be able to have a pro display XDR at true pixel resolution at a reasonable
02:16:29 ◼ ► Filling of your field of vision because right now my field of vision is I can see my wall
02:16:42 ◼ ► Probably not because it you can't resolve the pixels on a 6k screen from a comfortable distance anyway
02:16:50 ◼ ► Look at this and say all I have in front of me is an LG 4k monitor and now I'm gonna be able to have
02:16:58 ◼ ► Like yeah, you can look at each one in turn and you'll more or less get true pixels out of it
02:17:06 ◼ ► We don't have a glut of resolution to pass around because remember what you're seeing in this headset is not just the monitor
02:17:12 ◼ ► It's the entire world whether it is transparency showing you what the cameras see the outside world or a simulated world with those backdrops
02:17:19 ◼ ► That they were showing so please do keep that in mind when thinking about the resolution of this
02:17:24 ◼ ► Probably better than any headsets anyone has tried and certainly better than a $300 headset, but we need more pixels
02:17:32 ◼ ► Well, it's what it's worth. They said both in the keynote and the State of the Union and I'm now I'm jumping ahead
02:17:37 ◼ ► but when you use a Mac with the device, which they said in State of the Union you can get a
02:17:42 ◼ ► Virtual display from your Mac. Well that was stated during the keynote, but during the State of the Union
02:17:49 ◼ ► So they showed a MacBook Pro with the screen open and the the wearer of the vision Pro looked down and you know
02:17:54 ◼ ► There's a brief pause and then suddenly that Mac screen dimmed from the perspective of the vision Pro user
02:18:16 ◼ ► You know, you can only get but so many, you know bits or so you can only get but so much resolution
02:18:23 ◼ ► But to go back I think when it's slightly my fault. We're getting the weeds a little bit
02:18:35 ◼ ► I'm not sure what to make of this and obviously I've only been sitting with it for a few hours now in a figurative sense, but
02:18:44 ◼ ► I don't I don't know what I expected but this is not what I expected and I think in a good way
02:18:50 ◼ ► I think I expected a in Marco. I believe you had said something about this a minute ago
02:18:55 ◼ ► I'd expected a well the world has disappeared now because I have my eye but my headset on
02:19:16 ◼ ► What was going to be done with with the digital crown and how you'll adjust how much like not literal transparency?
02:19:41 ◼ ► everyone said it looks like garbage and was uncanny valley uncanny valley uncanny valley and I didn't get that at all like it looked
02:19:48 ◼ ► Really good to me and I I hear what you guys are saying about being off-axis and so on and so forth
02:20:04 ◼ ► It showed when you were really engaged with something and not paying attention the outside world, but then it was fairly
02:20:10 ◼ ► Transparent looking when you were interacting with the outside world, and I don't know it
02:20:33 ◼ ► Think this appeals to me more than I expected. Wait. Well, I expected of course that I would be wowed by the keynote
02:20:49 ◼ ► Like what kind of jackass is gonna wear this on an airplane? I think it's perfect for perfect for an airplane
02:20:59 ◼ ► You're an idiot if you're wearing this on an airplane. Why but just hold on just hold on because you look like a fool
02:21:07 ◼ ► You're watching a movie on basically a very compact screen. Look at this jackass with their
02:21:12 ◼ ► $3,500 fancy lad people people wear masks like this just so they can sleep. It's better than a neck donut
02:21:23 ◼ ► So so I think what I keep coming back to with this and specifically with the social stigma about it like
02:21:29 ◼ ► Watching their video of the dude recording his like kids birthday that it just seems like such an obnoxious
02:21:42 ◼ ► Like I understand what they're driving it. I understand they've got this whole 3d camera thing
02:21:46 ◼ ► I get that they could just put that on their phone by the way Apple as a free free tip for you exactly but I
02:21:53 ◼ ► Get what they're driving out here, but what an obnoxious time to do and so all this social stuff
02:21:56 ◼ ► I disagree on that by the way, just for reference. I mean the birthday one you disagree with. Yeah
02:22:07 ◼ ► I think will be ugly like you're gonna look like an idiot wearing this but but and this is what I couldn't get to a
02:22:37 ◼ ► Yes, look at you with your fancy earbuds that don't have any wires. I'm too good for wires
02:22:51 ◼ ► Including times when I don't think it's particularly appropriate to have air pods in I see air pods in I've just the other day
02:22:58 ◼ ► I was I was at dinner somewhere with the family and I looked over at the table next to us and there was another family
02:23:04 ◼ ► At dinner and one of the kids had an air pod in there at family dinner and presumably family dinner was too boring
02:23:15 ◼ ► Leaving aside the fact that the restaurant was playing music. They needed to have their music kids these days
02:23:19 ◼ ► I tell you but that's how prevalent and and that's how often you see air pods now that it's not unusual
02:23:29 ◼ ► I feel like sitting here today if I saw the idiot next to me in the airplane wearing these these goggles
02:23:40 ◼ ► Think it will not take long for me to change my tune and to come back around to what John I think was going to say
02:23:49 ◼ ► how amazing would it be to have this like 50 foot screen in front of you with your air pods with noise cancellation and
02:23:57 ◼ ► Effectively, you know surround sound and you in while we're flying across the country to WWDC next year when Apple actually invites all of us
02:24:05 ◼ ► Imagine being able to watch a movie that whole way across the country like that sounds so cool in
02:24:19 ◼ ► You're right. You're right versus 160 dollar. It's a lot of girls for this kind of expensive for air pods, too
02:24:36 ◼ ► scenario and I'm not you know, we'll see we'll see how that goes because none of us have tried it yet and it I mean
02:24:43 ◼ ► In the grand scheme of Apple products big and clunky, right? I mean, it's it's it's amazing technology
02:24:50 ◼ ► But there's only so much they can do unlike the air pods which were you know, the the perfect size practically from day one
02:24:57 ◼ ► In fact, they've actually gotten a little bit bigger over time because they've packed more stuff into them
02:25:16 ◼ ► By its utility or does it look like it was shaped by somebody who wanted it to look beautiful and I can
02:25:22 ◼ ► Pretty confidently say that no one tried to shape this to look particularly beautiful because it doesn't look particularly beautiful
02:25:28 ◼ ► It's it is a little bit clunky and awkward because it has to be here's the thing that I was most surprised by I kept saving
02:25:47 ◼ ► You see people who do mock-ups do all the time where they just take existing Apple products and like Photoshop the pieces together
02:25:51 ◼ ► So it was like basically a ski goggle type headset kind of looking like this and then the band
02:25:59 ◼ ► They just turned sideways and like made right and I was like have these people never seen an actual headset
02:26:05 ◼ ► You can't just take a single watch band and put a strap that goes straight back from the ski goggles
02:26:15 ◼ ► Even a literal pair of ski goggles has a wider band than that at its elastic. You can't put the Apple watch band there
02:26:23 ◼ ► But you can tell that the people who are feeding them probably had seen this because the thing that surprised me the most
02:26:32 ◼ ► It's part the band is perpendicular to the surface of the glasses and that's it and most of the other headsets have something
02:26:39 ◼ ► That goes towards the top of the head. You know what I mean? Right? Yeah, there was no top strap, right?
02:26:54 ◼ ► They go straight back to basically a catcher's mitt that cradles the back of your head and I can't take fabric thing
02:26:59 ◼ ► So that's why I think you know that people have worn this. I'm sure it works for its purpose
02:27:05 ◼ ► It's a big cup back a big flexi cup with the adjustable things on it that kind of grips your head with the little you know
02:27:15 ◼ ► Which I think they can get away with basically because of the battery pack basically because of the the incredible
02:27:21 ◼ ► Technology and lightweight the fact they don't need to hang this off the top of your head because apparently that back of your head grippy
02:27:30 ◼ ► So I'm very curious to try this thing on to see how the fit feels because if you ever looked at the back of a human
02:27:55 ◼ ► But as Apple said they look they studied lots of heads or whatever. Thanks Richard Howard said we studied thousands of heads
02:28:01 ◼ ► They also studied thousands of years when they made the original air pods and they apparently they didn't study Marcos
02:28:11 ◼ ► Tries to get a good grip on your head with only a single strap about a top strap. I hope it works
02:28:24 ◼ ► Especially awkward if that I don't know Mark. Did you anyone confirm that you can use as their pods?
02:28:36 ◼ ► You can't use it with air pods the the built-in speakers that are on the head strap, basically
02:29:11 ◼ ► but it might leak a little bit of sound if you're really close because I was saying like, you know, obviously you probably
02:29:19 ◼ ► You know the planes are too loud you wear air pods on a plane for the noise cancellation
02:29:23 ◼ ► But I was like, you know if you're wearing on a bus with the passenger next to you hear your stuff
02:29:30 ◼ ► Like maybe if you go really close to your head like they might if you're like, you know
02:29:37 ◼ ► Yeah, but yeah, not like not like wearing wide open headphones like the super open headphones not like that apparently
02:29:43 ◼ ► So we'll see how that goes. But yes in most cases that you need isolation you'd be wearing air pods
02:29:47 ◼ ► Yeah, the other thing they said that I was encouraged by was the fact. Well, I don't know again. I have to rewatch the video
02:29:53 ◼ ► They seem to make it say that you there's multiple fabric thingies that you can attach to it to fit your face
02:29:59 ◼ ► Yes, so on so on the fit front they were they were pretty clear about this and but both in you know
02:30:08 ◼ ► There are there are multiple straps that we'll be able to fit also the like the face gasket piece
02:30:14 ◼ ► Which I think they called the light shield something like that light seal. That's it. Yeah light seal so that piece
02:30:20 ◼ ► The implication is that there's gonna be many different sizes of them not just like, you know with air pods
02:30:30 ◼ ► No, the implication is there's gonna be many different sizes and shapes and that you basically go to an Apple Store to get fit
02:30:36 ◼ ► Also interesting little tidbit I asked about, you know, the different eye, you know lens things I asked about, you know stuff like, you know the
02:30:47 ◼ ► Because the spacing between the eyepieces and you know, it's you know, any kind of headset or binoculars even you can adjust that spacing
02:30:54 ◼ ► Apparently they are automatic and motorized for the IPD adjustment. So oh, that's cool. Yeah, they show that they show that in the keynote
02:31:10 ◼ ► You give them your eyeglasses that you're wearing and they like shoot a light through it and then they bring out
02:31:20 ◼ ► I'm thinking maybe they also will have that ability in Apple retail stores when these things launch
02:31:38 ◼ ► and they do appear to be taking comfort very seriously and making fit very good because
02:31:43 ◼ ► For the illusion to work you can't have any light leaking in it really has to be a very good fit in lots of different
02:32:14 ◼ ► It's one of the things you kind of just have to try to tell like how many people will this work for?
02:32:21 ◼ ► Motion sickness which they had some euphemism for like motion sensitivity or something like that. Oh
02:32:30 ◼ ► But yeah, but on that they you know, they they talk a lot about the r1 chip that they've they've done everything
02:32:40 ◼ ► They talk a lot about that 12 millisecond processing latency, which is way below what everyone else is doing in the market
02:32:46 ◼ ► that apparently I asked some people like hey, you know, what does that mean in real life like for motion sensitive people and
02:33:00 ◼ ► They they're they're talking a big game and and so far the the handful of people who have tried it
02:33:14 ◼ ► I really want to see how good the how good the comfort is how good the latency is how good the illusion is whether I
02:33:21 ◼ ► I am I'm just I'm so curious but again for the handful of people who have tried it the reports so far are very good
02:33:31 ◼ ► Remember that video I always post from my I posted my blog of the Microsoft thing where they had an adjustable latency
02:33:36 ◼ ► Where they get to do it a thousand milliseconds a hundred ten one of just scribbling on a screen with their finger
02:33:41 ◼ ► One one millisecond is where you start getting down to the point where it's like it seems like it's real time
02:34:00 ◼ ► But you can make software experiences that make people motion sick with with no latency because you know
02:34:06 ◼ ► Because you they're controlling everything that you see and if they make you see stuff that your inner ear disagrees with because you're sitting on
02:34:19 ◼ ► Comes in handy because that really tries to root you in a room that is not moving, right?
02:34:28 ◼ ► motion sickness is probably not gonna be a big problem if you're flying an x-wing through a canyon when your actual body is sitting on
02:34:41 ◼ ► So we haven't really talked about this but like before we were saying what are they gonna do with this headset?
02:34:47 ◼ ► Is it gonna be like the watch where they say can be all things to all people and I figure what it is and the answer
02:34:51 ◼ ► From this presentation was no Apple has a very clear idea of what they think you can do with this and it is narrow
02:35:07 ◼ ► Which is shocking to a lot of people because like the their competition hardware wise are all gaming headsets and apples
02:35:14 ◼ ► I mean they mentioned, you know, it is a 3d thing. You can make game store, you know, it'll like games will work
02:35:20 ◼ ► It'll be fine. But Apple is like no, this is not a product for people who want to play video games
02:35:37 ◼ ► Like I kept thinking it was basically is like the pro display XDR but for your face. This is a display product
02:35:47 ◼ ► It also runs them because it's not like it's just a display like it has an m2 in there and it will run your iPad apps
02:35:58 ◼ ► imagine if you could do them without a bunch of monitors arrayed around you, but instead a
02:36:09 ◼ ► Five monitors that we can swipe away and replace with other monitors and windows and floating around
02:36:13 ◼ ► That was their pitch with this device you you use it to you know, you put it on and you do
02:36:20 ◼ ► video-conferencing using all your apps that you're familiar with and new kinds of apps that we you know that we want you to make with
02:36:25 ◼ ► This SDK and they show like a 3d satellite spinning around and stuff like that or whatever
02:36:28 ◼ ► I feel like this was a very clear message of what Apple thinks this device for are they right?
02:36:48 ◼ ► And it's way more, you know, it's not just like socially acceptable people will get used to it
02:36:53 ◼ ► Your kid should see your face and if he sees your face and you're holding the rectangle of the iPhone
02:37:00 ◼ ► So when these things are actual glasses sure wear them and record the party when their goggles
02:37:06 ◼ ► It seems like a shame to use this as a capture device for 3d video as a viewing device for 3d video to relive memories
02:37:15 ◼ ► It happens to be the only Apple device with two cameras separated by enough distance to get good stereo video
02:37:26 ◼ ► Now that first of all now that there will be a viewing device that can show 3d content that certainly creates more demand for 3d capture devices
02:37:34 ◼ ► so maybe we'll see more in the future, but if you look back like this is kind of like the
02:37:41 ◼ ► VHS sized camcorders remember when those came out like in you know, the 80s 90s like them on your shoulder
02:37:46 ◼ ► those giant it was just a VCR on your shoulder like a fully they were so big and so heavy that
02:38:04 ◼ ► You would film around for a little while and then you'd set it down and you see you wouldn't be capturing the entire
02:38:10 ◼ ► Event that way because it was way too big and heavy and the battery sucked and you know
02:38:33 ◼ ► Put this thing on and capture a few minutes of the party and then they'll take it off and go back to the party
02:38:38 ◼ ► like I don't I don't think people are gonna be spending the entire party in the headset and
02:38:51 ◼ ► Fairly reasonable like it won't it won't look weird after a little while, you know to Casey's point earlier
02:39:00 ◼ ► Parts of experiences and then go back to the real world. So and I don't think it's a bad thing, you know until we have
02:39:12 ◼ ► That's totally fine. And and by the way, and it certainly raises the question of like for parents who were in their phones all the time
02:39:23 ◼ ► Separate question but but you know certainly one worth considering that you know, this this makes it more obvious
02:39:37 ◼ ► There's gonna be this time in history for a little while where this is the only slash best way to capture 3d video of what's going
02:39:45 ◼ ► On but capturing 3d video is gonna be so compelling like that. I cannot wait to have that
02:39:51 ◼ ► I I think that's gonna be amazing. You could have used it on Nintendo DS years years ago
02:39:55 ◼ ► Anyway, I think that's I think that thing's gonna be amazing for that brand and as for the use cases
02:40:02 ◼ ► I think it's wise to lean more into the media stuff and the general computing stuff because
02:40:08 ◼ ► First of all every single time we talked about like hey, what's what are VR headsets good for?
02:40:18 ◼ ► Like I thanks for telling us everyone didn't have a section of the keynote on that. It's weird. Yeah
02:40:23 ◼ ► We are fully aware that that's a thing also. Yeah, you people watch movies in them, you know that aren't porn
02:40:28 ◼ ► They didn't have that that framework that detects sensitive images. It would just blur everything you see. Yeah, right
02:40:37 ◼ ► I'm sure it'll be great for that and yes people will buy it for that and even if you only buy it to watch videos
02:40:42 ◼ ► On you know movies and TV shows and stuff. I mean look iPads are capable of doing amazing things
02:40:51 ◼ ► They have you know amazing capabilities and yet what most people do on iPads is watch video on them and that's that's fine
02:40:59 ◼ ► Headset if most people end up watching movies on it a lot or other activities that involve watching video feeds. That's fine
02:41:14 ◼ ► basically a glorified monitor for apps that you're run that you're working with or working in or running just glorified a
02:41:20 ◼ ► Better monitor in some ways because you have your whole field of view and not just like things can be anywhere not just on the rectangle
02:41:33 ◼ ► There's kind of this like base load of like the amount of computational power that we burn
02:41:38 ◼ ► Just to do things in a more modern way that are otherwise fairly simple like, you know type of document or something like, you know
02:41:50 ◼ ► whatever version whatever the hell version of Windows out of that the the system was burning more computational resources to do the basics and
02:41:57 ◼ ► Then our apps had to work above that and that that mattered for a little while when the hardware was super early
02:42:06 ◼ ► We had things like web technology doing all the rendering for uis and that is from a computational perspective
02:42:12 ◼ ► Hilariously wasteful and inefficient but things got fast enough that we didn't really matter and it became more about you know
02:42:27 ◼ ► just to show you like an app window in the room the amount of complexity and sophistication and
02:42:41 ◼ ► Like I I was thinking about that earlier and just like laughing to myself in the middle of you know
02:42:49 ◼ ► Just thinking like the amount of computing power that we're just that works considering like pass say like oh, yeah
02:42:55 ◼ ► We're gonna have you know, 16 cameras and this whole m2 chip and this whole like all this this amazing
02:43:01 ◼ ► You know, this thing's probably drawing like 90 watts or something from from its cable having a cooling fan, but oh, yes
02:43:10 ◼ ► All that to show, you know a couple of floating windows in your in your virtual room is kind of amusing and is so
02:43:16 ◼ ► Comically over the top, but if that's what people actually want to do with this. I mean, yes, there are gonna be amazing
02:43:32 ◼ ► Go on a virtual retreat into somewhere warm when it's winter and freezing and crappy in real life
02:43:37 ◼ ► Like and you know when when everything's all dark because it got it is in the middle of the winter
02:43:42 ◼ ► I can just go go to a tropical paradise in my virtual headset, you know, that would that will be amazing
02:43:57 ◼ ► It will be great to be sitting on a plane and to have a giant screen field of view that you can you can be
02:44:11 ◼ ► You know watching a movie in the middle of a jungle or whatever. They didn't talk about fitness stuff
02:44:19 ◼ ► Instantly thought of is like well how sweaty is your face gonna be with this whole face gasket?
02:44:27 ◼ ► But breathability is always an issue and also I think bouncing up and down is gonna be an issue
02:44:31 ◼ ► Yeah, but yeah, but there are certainly I was thinking like my god if when I'm sitting on my water rower
02:44:35 ◼ ► Mm-hmm, by the way, there's there was a wonderful segment on cortex. This is a very brief diverse. I know we're short on time
02:44:45 ◼ ► If you if you are if you ever use a gym rowing machine like they're like chain kind of rowing machine in a gym
02:44:50 ◼ ► I got a chance recently to use a chain rowing machine for the first time ever. I've only ever had a water rower
02:44:58 ◼ ► Trash can lid across a field of gravel like it was such a terrible feeling compared to the water over. Oh my god
02:45:05 ◼ ► He like yeah, if you if you use the water rower you and you ever think maybe if you had a concept to know
02:45:19 ◼ ► Virtually rowing across a wonderful lake in a you know, the a peaceful lake scene, you know with maybe some trainer head in the corner
02:45:37 ◼ ► But anyway, and they'll be even better because the fans will be blowing a little breeze on your face
02:45:41 ◼ ► No, they'll be blowing hot air though. Unfortunately. Yeah. Well, it's it's a summer row. It's a summer
02:45:54 ◼ ► So anyway, there's lots of use cases for this beyond just gaming and I think what we've seen honestly
02:46:09 ◼ ► Produced as nearly as many good VR games as people would have assumed would exist by now
02:46:14 ◼ ► There are some that are fun. There are they're mostly they're mostly like, you know novelties or fads, honestly
02:46:27 ◼ ► I think realistic in the sense that Apple is not great in the gaming world despite their best efforts and also gamers are not gonna be
02:46:35 ◼ ► Well, I think they'd be the most likely to people to spend thirty five hundred dollars in the gaming
02:46:39 ◼ ► It's that because bonus headset because it's got such amazing specs if only they could play games with it
02:46:45 ◼ ► I think if if people start using this even if it's only really used at first by most people for
02:46:57 ◼ ► And then you can start doing some more some more of the apps. That's like yeah, maybe while you're capturing your 3d media
02:47:01 ◼ ► Hey, maybe you know you have your messages over in the corner and you start doing that or you start
02:47:06 ◼ ► Productivity apps on your on your iPad are like there is a world where that makes a lot of sense
02:47:11 ◼ ► and I think they have positioned themselves very well to to start that and capture that and and
02:47:19 ◼ ► kind of low adoption at first simply because first of all thing isn't even coming out for a long time and then when it does
02:47:24 ◼ ► Come out. It's gonna be fairly expensive and fairly limited. And so yes this but this is a start
02:47:29 ◼ ► This is not gonna replace people's computers anytime soon for most people. Well, what about replacing their monitors?
02:47:44 ◼ ► It's a it's an entire computer by itself, but you can use it to see your Mac screen like
02:47:57 ◼ ► Apple didn't seem to have a any kind of point of view or story or a solution to the whole thing of like, okay
02:48:08 ◼ ► They showed the that satellite rotating in 3d, but that's nothing like that is like it's it's cute
02:48:13 ◼ ► But that doesn't that doesn't let me do that doesn't that's not a new kind of application that I couldn't use on a 2d screen
02:48:19 ◼ ► Show me yeah, and clearly it's possible to make applications that you couldn't do on a 2d screen
02:48:28 ◼ ► Show me the one that everybody has to have show me the one that they say you can't do this on a laptop screen
02:48:40 ◼ ► Like we were saying before about like what can the iPad do better than the phone and the Mac?
02:48:46 ◼ ► Well, it can be a better display in certain ways because you have flexibility about where to put things and stuff like that
02:48:53 ◼ ► You know it has to be doesn't have to be but like I feel like it is possible to be more than just 2d
02:48:58 ◼ ► Planes showing traditional 2d applications on them with maybe one or two 3d things poking out, right?
02:49:16 ◼ ► It's floating in front of you first of all I think I think what they did demo is that I I
02:49:20 ◼ ► Guarantee you the killer app for this thing is 3d picture and video capture and being able to replay moments. That's the killer app
02:49:29 ◼ ► Well, I mean I mean I didn't I didn't mean killer app isn't the thing that's gonna make people want to buy it
02:49:33 ◼ ► I mean like I said the thing that takes advantage of 3d technology and more than just being a display right they they have frameworks
02:49:40 ◼ ► For it they showed it but they didn't have an application that they wrote that is essentially a 3d
02:50:01 ◼ ► And that's why I keep a framing this in my mind as hey, you know all that stuff that you already want to do
02:50:07 ◼ ► Imagine if you could have as many screens as you wanted wherever you wanted doing all that same stuff
02:50:12 ◼ ► That is compelling imagine you know and like you said watching media or even just the rowing thing that is that I feel like people
02:50:18 ◼ ► Probably writing in already to tell me that is actually an example the roaring experience of
02:50:23 ◼ ► Something that you can't do on a 2d screen because the 2d screen doesn't fill your field of view
02:50:33 ◼ ► It's kind of the difference between when you ride a bike and it's got a screen in front of you showing a road
02:50:43 ◼ ► It is not the 3d stuff like I'm thinking of this because I saw the state of the union where they're saying here's look you
02:50:48 ◼ ► Can have planes and volumes and in volumes you can have full 3d apps, but Apple doesn't have any full 3d apps
02:50:54 ◼ ► They have you know environments that you can be in and sort of 3d video experiences the 360 video experiences
02:50:59 ◼ ► And I think that will be amazing especially since by the way they they made a point of saying they don't have any hand controllers
02:51:11 ◼ ► Like the independent ones where you like grab and I you know, you play like Alex you have right? No, no
02:51:17 ◼ ► I haven't well anyway, you know like yes, you can help to hold the ps5 controller or whatever
02:51:29 ◼ ► broader appeal to non gamers which is they show that meditation thing or you're on a lake or you're walking through the mountains or even
02:51:41 ◼ ► You can't have on a 2d screen because you will feel like you're there because it fills your field of view
02:51:45 ◼ ► But the 3d stuff is in 3d modeled objects in the world whether you're putting them on the desk in front of you or a completely
02:51:54 ◼ ► I don't think anybody has an answer for that but just to be clear Apple didn't have an answer for it either
02:51:58 ◼ ► They have frameworks for it and they're hoping someone will make an app like that that says wow
02:52:21 ◼ ► But they also didn't have anything beyond what anyone else had had in terms of ideas for applications
02:52:27 ◼ ► Everything that they showed is something someone else was doing but in a worse way on the crappier hardware
02:52:34 ◼ ► Honestly all the things that they did show I think that's enough to get this thing going and started that's that's plenty
02:52:47 ◼ ► But you know even even more pedestrian stuff like, you know, and they've had this support in AR kit for a while
02:53:03 ◼ ► buy something on the internet one of the hardest most challenging problems of online shopping is when you get something in your eyes that the
02:53:09 ◼ ► The size or scale of it is not quite what you expected to be able to just have that object show up
02:53:19 ◼ ► pedestrian and common uses as online shopping or to have you know room redecoration or furniture arrangement apps where you can like
02:53:26 ◼ ► Oh, let's move this couch around or see what happens if we painted this wall blue that kind of stuff
02:53:30 ◼ ► That's killer apps for so many people and those are all things that you can do now with the phone or iPad
02:53:37 ◼ ► But it would be so much better doing it with this. So, you know, I think they've already shown us
02:53:44 ◼ ► Enough that is gonna make a lot of people want to buy this including me honestly and I was super skeptical before but now I'm super
02:53:54 ◼ ► Oh, they kind of barely touched on this the whole the whole like feeling like you're all sitting around a meeting table with a bunch
02:54:03 ◼ ► You can do FaceTime in it and we have a solution to the problem of people can't see your face
02:54:18 ◼ ► The part of the reason they didn't say metaverse is they're actually not doing any of that stuff
02:54:22 ◼ ► Which is like was a through little 3d avatar of yourself and you feel like you're sitting at a table with everybody and you can see
02:54:29 ◼ ► It's disembodied heads with a little bit of a 3d effect on them. And if they're also in a headset, it's not really their face
02:54:35 ◼ ► It's a model of their face or whatever like, you know, I think all that's fine. That'll that'll come along but they stayed
02:55:01 ◼ ► Movies showing on a virtual screen in front of them than they spent showing the disembodied CG head of a scanned face
02:55:09 ◼ ► That you know, even in the in the idealized scenarios of this thing looked a little bit creepy, right?
02:55:14 ◼ ► So I feel like that is a weakness of this product. They tried to kind of hang a lantern on say we have a solution
02:55:21 ◼ ► They'll still be able to see your face sort of kinda but that is not what Apple is pitching this on that
02:55:29 ◼ ► Right whole family gather around on the couch put a camera that probably doesn't zoom in enough and has whatever like I I'm not entirely convinced
02:55:41 ◼ ► Hold a phone or use continuity camera than you are to have you certainly not gonna have your entire family in
02:55:46 ◼ ► $3,500 headsets, but even just one person and even in a work meeting. It's a little bit iffy on that front, but you know this
02:55:52 ◼ ► This stakes out a different area of the headset space than I have seen anybody try to stake out even you know
02:56:01 ◼ ► And then when Facebook did it Facebook's not a particularly big gaming company Oculus was a gaming headset
02:56:06 ◼ ► They tried to stake out this whole president's virtual meeting little Nintendo Miis walking around with no legs or whatever
02:56:12 ◼ ► Apple's like no legs. No body. No nothing. They got disembodied hands and a floating CG head, but that's not what this is about
02:56:19 ◼ ► Let me show you more of your apps floating around you and speaking of the apps by the way
02:56:24 ◼ ► They had out everyone's favorite person Marcos favorite UI designer Alan die up there talking about the UI for this
02:56:29 ◼ ► With the sort of translucent panes and everything and everything was okay to me except the question I had and I'm sure this would become
02:56:36 ◼ ► But it's hard to tell him the keynote is they had the whole thing of where you look at the button you want and then you
02:56:48 ◼ ► It's kind of like the old Apple TV where it's like they would like zoom it in a little bit over, you know
02:56:55 ◼ ► When I pin they're doing an effect and they said when I pinch which thing that's on the screen is gonna activate right now and now
02:57:01 ◼ ► And I was like, can't you see it's a subtly different sheen on this button shows that it's the ones I'm like, oh, come on
02:57:06 ◼ ► Just highlight it like inverted make it white on black instead of black and white something
02:57:14 ◼ ► I can't blame it disappears into the void. No, I'm sure there's gonna be like, you know one accessibility option to fix that
02:57:20 ◼ ► Yeah, we've got old eyes here. Like everything can't be translucent flush through the glass
02:57:31 ◼ ► I do like mostly what they did with it the frosted glass look and the little controls on the side and everything
02:57:37 ◼ ► They didn't show any minority report kind of like reaching out with your hands and swiping things from side to side and everything like that
02:57:43 ◼ ► So it feels kind of like stage manager and how rigid it is in terms of where you can place things
02:57:47 ◼ ► But I think we have a ways to go with hand and finger tracking before we're gonna be Tom Cruise in our way through this UI
02:57:57 ◼ ► It's so they're very very clear to say like, you know, you can connect the Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, which is great
02:58:03 ◼ ► There is a virtual keyboard that you can kind of poke at in the air. I'm curious how well that works in practice
02:58:10 ◼ ► I'm a little skeptical because it seems like it's a very difficult problem to get right better better use
02:58:14 ◼ ► You know speech to text at that point. Well, yeah, and of course there is dictation there is Siri, you know
02:58:26 ◼ ► This is probably like I think if you're gonna be doing a lot of input you're gonna be sitting with the keyboard now that being
02:58:37 ◼ ► because that's like you can actually sit and coach and have the person in front you lean back like a jerk and you can just
02:58:42 ◼ ► Have the keyboard on the tray table and no screen to get in the way to get pinched by them by the seat. I
02:58:48 ◼ ► You hope you didn't touch type though because I was thinking about this in terms of the airline thing
02:59:00 ◼ ► because if you try to do with AR the screen would have to be two rows in front of you or one row in front of
02:59:05 ◼ ► You and that would mess like how would that work with a out because like in you know in coach the back of the person
02:59:16 ◼ ► so the virtual screen in the in the augmented reality has to be farther out and then how to
02:59:20 ◼ ► The the it can't make a convincing augmented reality. So you really got to turn that dial and make it so nope
02:59:25 ◼ ► I'm in the desert at night or wherever the hell that thing was which means if you have a keyboard in front of you
02:59:30 ◼ ► You better be able to touch touch type it without having to look at the keyboard because you can't look down and look at the keys
02:59:40 ◼ ► You can't you'll be able to type on your Bluetooth keyboard without looking at the keyboard
02:59:45 ◼ ► Or you could just have fun the screen will be out three feet in front of you and it will like it'll do some weird
02:59:59 ◼ ► So now the screen is behind the seat and so it truncates at the bottom earns the illusion. It'll probably be fine
03:00:04 ◼ ► And I there is there is just there's so much here like I'm well, you know one another thing
03:00:12 ◼ ► I think the the design of the UI and the interaction is interesting in the sense that they didn't do
03:00:18 ◼ ► Minority report style you have to like grab everything and have your arms up and out all the time
03:00:23 ◼ ► They also didn't really show much of that interaction. So we don't actually know how it works
03:00:27 ◼ ► I'm assuming it's a bunch of fixed positions. But how do you manipulate those fixed positions with your hands?
03:00:32 ◼ ► Well, but what's good is like is like, you know, it is based on eye tracking and you making a hand movement
03:00:37 ◼ ► But it doesn't really matter where your hands are as so they can be in your lap off to the side
03:00:42 ◼ ► You can be lying down kind of you can be slouching and that's not only is that great for lots of different accessibility?
03:00:52 ◼ ► you don't have to be waving your arms around in midair in front of you you can just be moving your eyes and tap them
03:00:56 ◼ ► With your finger and you can navigate the whole thing without hat without doing a whole shoulder workout in the process, which that's
03:01:03 ◼ ► Again, it's like the the the science the sci-fi vision of the product like this would be it would actually be probably pretty terrible in
03:01:14 ◼ ► They made the thing that's actually better in real life and I think that's kind of the theme of this whole product that we've seen
03:01:19 ◼ ► So far that when you if you if somebody tells you oh, we're gonna make AR glasses with the whole AR OS
03:01:25 ◼ ► What you picture is something very different and what you picture how it would work is very different. That's not what they did
03:01:31 ◼ ► They probably I'm sure they like thought of that or maybe maybe made some demo stuff and maybe saw it sucked and abandoned or whatever
03:01:50 ◼ ► This is something that's actually going to be very useful in reality. No pun intended and and it's very it's it seems like a much more
03:02:01 ◼ ► I use the term practical a little bit loosely there in terms of like they needed to throw an absurd amount of technology and engineering
03:02:09 ◼ ► and there's there's a large amount of cost and a large amount of you know wasted CPU power and stuff in the meantime to make
03:02:17 ◼ ► This isn't something that we this isn't what we would have guessed. It isn't what we did guess
03:02:25 ◼ ► This is not what I expected it to be. This is not I think what anybody expected it to be
03:02:32 ◼ ► It's just that it was hard for anyone to believe that they wouldn't talk about gaming and guess what they didn't talk about gaming
03:02:37 ◼ ► No, I'm saying I'm saying not obviously who cares what it looks like, you know, the goggles whatever fine
03:02:41 ◼ ► I'm just saying like the way it works the way it is such a strong focus on AR rather than being all about VR
03:02:52 ◼ ► It's just in the recent years the rumors started to drift more towards VR because the idea that it was Apple was gonna
03:03:02 ◼ ► But the original origin of the headset rumors was Apple wants to do AR they're going to augment reality and it just kind of
03:03:13 ◼ ► Ship a headset that totally blocks your vision right and then that's where all the VR rumors came from
03:03:19 ◼ ► But no the original the original rumors of this headset is that Apple is super into AR and that's that's what they're that's why they
03:03:28 ◼ ► But even that if you if you ask people like what if Apple's gonna make an AR focused headset
03:03:34 ◼ ► What kind of features will it have when people think of AR they think of you walking down the street and having a little?
03:03:39 ◼ ► Bubble pop up over the store saying oh, this is rated five stars. Maybe pop over people
03:03:43 ◼ ► Oh, this is you know Emily Smith like that's that's what they're thinking when you say AR
03:03:48 ◼ ► No one thinks about I just want to be sitting in my sitting on my couch working on it on a word document and
03:03:53 ◼ ► Be able to see if my if my spouse walks by like that's the that's what they actually should
03:03:58 ◼ ► I don't know if you aren't reading those articles a lot of this whole idea of having a bunch of virtual screens in front of
03:04:02 ◼ ► You as augmented reality was definitely in in the mix right, but that's that's that's the part that Apple concentrated on
03:04:10 ◼ ► Having they made a big point of like the privacy angle on this which I think they skimmed over it too fast
03:04:16 ◼ ► But I think what they were getting at was essentially hey if you're looking at Safari and in your you know your goggles
03:04:29 ◼ ► It's kind of the equivalent if you're on your Mac if you're on your Mac and imagine if your mouse pointer moved
03:04:33 ◼ ► everywhere your eyes went where your mouse pointer moves can be captured by most web apps or whatever or
03:04:39 ◼ ► Actually, I don't know what the state of the art in security is but in theory it could be captured right
03:04:49 ◼ ► That is deemed more privacy related because they do like ever see this but they test like a website with like a bunch of people
03:04:55 ◼ ► Do some usability testing that's where they track their eyes and they say oh people's eyes are hovering around here, right?
03:04:59 ◼ ► But that doesn't happen when you use your phone when you use your iPad when you use your Mac
03:05:03 ◼ ► But with a headset something is tracking where your eyes are all the time and Apple made it a point to say
03:05:15 ◼ ► It's the picture, you know, they're that biometric data that you don't expect to be passed on to these things
03:05:19 ◼ ► We won't pass it on they'll only get the thing when you click with your fingers or whatever
03:05:23 ◼ ► I think that's also applied to apps though, which is interesting like I well, so here's the thing
03:05:31 ◼ ► Gaming experiences that people come up with is things where you aim with your eyeballs feels awesome, right?
03:05:36 ◼ ► And this eye tracking I'm sure is amazing compared to like the eye tracking and a $300 headset
03:05:41 ◼ ► So those things where you look at something and shoot it by, you know, pressing a button on the controller
03:05:49 ◼ ► So I think what they were saying is yeah, we won't pass it to the the site using with the web browser
03:05:57 ◼ ► They have to pass the eye position onto the game because that's half of how you control
03:06:01 ◼ ► One of the most amazing things about controlling games in VR is they can track your eye position
03:06:07 ◼ ► But I will be shocked if you can't make a game for this thing that tracks your eye movement because that's because duh
03:06:13 ◼ ► But yeah, I guess I guess we'll find out what Apple's dedication to gaming really is if they say nope
03:06:17 ◼ ► Even if you're a game, you can't have a position. They're really truly closing the door on this thing as a gaming device
03:06:22 ◼ ► I think the mechanic will probably be I bet there will be a mode for that that you just have to pass a privacy prompt to
03:06:27 ◼ ► approve, you know, like if you look at like I think one of the things they breezed over in the State of the Union was
03:06:33 ◼ ► That when you're viewing like for apps that are that are reading like AR positioning information to figure out like where to put their volumes
03:06:41 ◼ ► They're not getting a camera feed of your room because presumably that would require some kind of camera permission
03:06:46 ◼ ► So like even though the headset is constantly capturing the video of the room around you to show you in your in your eyepieces
03:06:53 ◼ ► The apps are not going to get visual data. So they're not going to see that, you know, you're not wearing pants
03:07:00 ◼ ► They're gonna see there's just like some leg-shaped logs there. Well, it's about how detailed the depth the depth data may be
03:07:08 ◼ ► Yeah, maybe that's a bad example. But you know, like they're not gonna see like oh you have you have blue walls in this room
03:07:12 ◼ ► They're gonna see there's a wall there. Yeah, like they they get like geometry of the room but not images of the room
03:07:24 ◼ ► We'll do spatial audio based on where your coffee table is and stuff and it made me think
03:07:28 ◼ ► The same thing I always think when I see this stuff is like there is it there is a application of that
03:07:32 ◼ ► That is ideal and I think it's kind of like when you're doing like the virtual FaceTime with somebody or something
03:07:37 ◼ ► You want them to feel like they're in front of you and when they talk their sound bounces off your coffee table
03:07:41 ◼ ► And it will be give that convincing illusion that they're not just a disembodied floating head in your field of vision
03:07:58 ◼ ► I want it to be perfect as it was mastered by the person who made this movie put it right into my ears
03:08:05 ◼ ► I spend all this time trying to get an arrangement of speakers and everything to have to eliminate bouncing around a room effects
03:08:22 ◼ ► Don't bounce sound off of it, right? But what they seem to want to make it sound like is imagine if you had a TV
03:08:31 ◼ ► It would hit your coffee table and bounce to yours. Isn't that what you want? I would say no
03:08:34 ◼ ► It's not what I want. I know, you know, this is different to me and and the imagined audience is spatial audio
03:08:40 ◼ ► I I don't I don't want the sound to sound like it's coming from my iPad when I'm watching TV on my iPad
03:08:48 ◼ ► So I'm glad I can turn it off but they have the technology and it's using the same thing that depth
03:08:52 ◼ ► Picture of where you are which presumably is sophisticated because they have lidar on this thing
03:08:59 ◼ ► so it's it's got an idea of the shape of your room and applications will be able to sense that but
03:09:06 ◼ ► They just you know, one of the uses of it is to figure out how to bounce sound around it
03:09:29 ◼ ► but I don't think I received what I expected and I think it's actually far better and I
03:09:49 ◼ ► Places to work, you know once or twice a week. I enjoy going to my beloved. Don't call it a park bench
03:09:58 ◼ ► I do like going to the library and if I just do not care about what other people think of me
03:10:06 ◼ ► But anyway, if I just don't care about what other people think of me and I'm willing to strap this thing to my face
03:10:19 ◼ ► Then I got thinking to myself. Well, what work could I really do on this thing as a standalone device and
03:10:25 ◼ ► What I feel like having not used it and having and knowing almost nothing about it my knowledge being only a few few hours old
03:10:32 ◼ ► It feels like if you're the kind of person that can legitimately get things get work done on your iPad today. I
03:10:45 ◼ ► Maybe you might want a physical keyboard because maybe you don't want to mash on a virtual keyboard or you don't want to use the dictation
03:10:53 ◼ ► The the way the device works it appears to me like if you can do honest-to-goodness work on your iPad
03:11:04 ◼ ► That's appealing but I don't think that's me most of the time because my work most of the time
03:11:18 ◼ ► Very large 4k display wherever I wanted, you know, wherever I am. I think that would be pretty neat
03:11:25 ◼ ► It would be neat to have the big display or in potentially even more than one and turn your head to look at each one
03:11:42 ◼ ► And this is kind of like spaces on steroids. And so maybe what I could do is I could have
03:11:46 ◼ ► Xcode full screen or what have you on the virtual 4k screen, but I could have messages as running natively on
03:12:00 ◼ ► And I can have Safari all all the other things running natively on the vision Pro on you know strewn about this virtual
03:12:08 ◼ ► Workspace and that would be pretty freaking cool and speaking of Xcode and things like that
03:12:17 ◼ ► They seem to be making it as reasonable as they can given that the technology on a traditional computer is so different
03:12:26 ◼ ► What if you wanted to develop a vision Pro, you know XR OS app and they did they did make mention of XR OS
03:12:34 ◼ ► Here at least it was visually shown in the Xcode screenshots. It was like honest. It was like in somebody's toolbar, right?
03:12:41 ◼ ► What if you wanted to write an app for this thing? Well, what you could do is you could have your virtual
03:12:48 ◼ ► monitor for your computer and they showed it off to the right and then you can have your app off to the left and
03:13:14 ◼ ► I'm not so sure that it's 3d specifically, but I think it's just the consumption of media just like the iPad
03:13:23 ◼ ► And I think the killer app for this might be you know having a full surround sound setup
03:13:34 ◼ ► What appears to be those things and you can have it anywhere and then what could really make it interesting is if you can
03:13:46 ◼ ► but it may be you if you can get work done on an iPad about you could get work done on this and if you
03:13:55 ◼ ► I bet you could probably get more work done, you know, and so that makes this very interesting to me. I
03:14:06 ◼ ► I totally understand how we landed it starts at thirty five hundred dollars makes perfect sense
03:14:14 ◼ ► I feel like I need to paste in the Goodfellas gift with what's-his-nuts laughing already everyone laughing at the restaurant, you know
03:14:24 ◼ ► Ass-night amount of money that being said I'm really thinking about it because this thing looks so freaking cool
03:14:43 ◼ ► The Xcode simulator and the vision pro simulator and so on and so forth. I honestly don't know what I'll do because
03:15:04 ◼ ► That chance Miller has a post-op which will link in the show notes our friend Matthew pansarino has a post-op
03:15:10 ◼ ► We've had some other people report into the three of us that they have tried it and it is amazing
03:15:19 ◼ ► I'm not I don't know if I'm gonna spend thirty five hundred dollars on this but you will I'm
03:15:23 ◼ ► I'm not definitely not shut the door on it. You're you're a dad and you're sentimental about your kids
03:15:28 ◼ ► You're gonna want to capture trust me. That's gonna be that's what's gonna drive. So many early sales of this is
03:15:42 ◼ ► Excuse for people to you to get this thing and that's gonna be a huge killer app. I guarantee it
03:15:55 ◼ ► With the external battery pack connected and unlimited time if it's plugged in yet. We know it's a limited until the power goes out anyway
03:16:05 ◼ ► That battery pack doesn't look too big couldn't have doubled the size and give it four hours
03:16:08 ◼ ► I mean, it's it's right, you know, it's not on the headset. It might pull your pants down it
03:16:12 ◼ ► It's not very big, but it's probably very dense. Yeah, it's hard to tell what would the deal with that?
03:16:27 ◼ ► headset I actually asked about that because I was saying like, you know, is there some kind of like, you know temporary
03:16:32 ◼ ► You know hot swap time you could you know, you could swap it on and the answer is no it shuts down like when you
03:16:43 ◼ ► It's the whole reason to have a thing like that's I totally that design decision makes sense
03:16:49 ◼ ► I mean that also makes sense is you don't want that the cord to snag on something but also
03:16:54 ◼ ► It's like yanking the power cable if you're out from your desktop Mac. It's kind of I mean, all right
03:17:07 ◼ ► But whoops the cat pulled the cord out and that's the end of what you're doing right now
03:17:11 ◼ ► And of course, I'm pretty well, I don't know we'll find out like it has to default total blackness, right?
03:17:22 ◼ ► block it's like blocking light and there's no other even small on-board battery to light up the
03:17:28 ◼ ► Anyway, well, we'll try it but this definitely seems like a kind of you won't get this reference
03:17:40 ◼ ► They are connected to a tether and then as soon as you disconnect them to the tether a timer starts going down when that timer
03:17:52 ◼ ► Same thing with this only the second that cable just gets disconnected. It's game over and you're in total darkness
03:17:56 ◼ ► Yeah, I was kind of I was assuming and kind of hoping that there would be some kind of little grace period to swap the
03:18:02 ◼ ► Battery, but yeah, who knows? I mean when you think about like the amount of power this is, you know
03:18:09 ◼ ► It's running the full-blown m2 a whole separate processor called the r1 that I don't we I don't think we know yet like how big
03:18:15 ◼ ► Or a power hungry of a processor that is but it's probably not small the rumors were it's like a second m2 basically
03:18:20 ◼ ► Yeah, exactly. So if you think about it, like this is you know, it's powered by what appears to be, you know
03:18:30 ◼ ► I'm guessing this is probably somewhere near a hundred watt device like I mean in terms of power draw
03:18:36 ◼ ► That sounds high to me. I'll be shocked if it's that high but maybe well, maybe it's old quote only 50 watts
03:18:54 ◼ ► That long powered by whatever like I don't know giant capacitor or whatever it would be
03:18:57 ◼ ► They probably can't make it one of the thing one of the things that that headset makers have done
03:19:02 ◼ ► To put battery on it to not be too heavy or crappy is they stick it on the back of your head?
03:19:17 ◼ ► Strap there because it balances out the weight of the headset on the front and it gives you enough power
03:19:22 ◼ ► Like you said like the grace period right or something to turn on transparency on the headset
03:19:26 ◼ ► Just put up an image that says the cable has been disconnected, you know and to pause everything but they didn't do that
03:19:33 ◼ ► It would have added danger because you don't want any batteries that you catch fire next to people's heads
03:19:39 ◼ ► So, you know, this is definitely kind of a version one. It's got that prototype you kind of feel
03:19:52 ◼ ► It'll be interesting to see if they revisit that because you don't need that big of a battery to give you a little grace period
03:19:56 ◼ ► And to give you a little transparency or whatever. Although that's another thing. I feel like Apple
03:20:00 ◼ ► Was pretty careful not to show too much of which is people running around with this thing, right?
03:20:09 ◼ ► the dad was by like the island in the kitchen or whatever and presumably he's walking around the house, but
03:20:24 ◼ ► So you could in theory move around with some transparency on so you can avoid your furniture
03:20:30 ◼ ► Most of the things that were showing with someone sitting at a desk or on a couch and then one guy standing at a counter
03:20:46 ◼ ► And in that case will they sell a bigger battery pack or would you just plug it in when you're at your desk?
03:20:50 ◼ ► It's those use cases are a little bit confusing. Yeah, the battery has a USB hole on it
03:20:55 ◼ ► So I'm guessing like that is like I'm guessing you can just do like pass-through charging or continuous power that way
03:21:03 ◼ ► They also showed I tried posting this to massed on but kept failing and I don't know maybe it's user error, but they showed
03:21:12 ◼ ► Coming off of the spot where the thing plugs in there's something that looks like a dongle and then what looks like a USB
03:21:22 ◼ ► Very unusual and I definitely caught a screen capture of it now put a link in the show notes of what I captured
03:21:29 ◼ ► But and I just put it in the chat room. There's definitely something going on there. Not a bad way
03:21:39 ◼ ► Well, I think you know on the plane, I think you'd probably like, you know plug in to power or something
03:21:46 ◼ ► I mean, it's also worth pointing out to like, you know people in the chatter speculator
03:22:06 ◼ ► Like I'm actually very happy that they didn't just pretend like these things have no wires
03:22:14 ◼ ► They had the batteries right there connected to them like resting on the table. So that's nice, but
03:22:22 ◼ ► So I don't think they would do quite that high just for pocket, you know, weight reasons
03:22:30 ◼ ► It looks kind of like a 20,000 milliamp milliamp hour battery pack and plus you can have multiples
03:22:35 ◼ ► even if it was a hundred you could just get more than one of those batteries in the plane and just
03:22:38 ◼ ► You know, I guess your movie would be the whole OS shuts down gonna yank the power cord
03:22:46 ◼ ► Somebody somebody does the math like whatever a 20,000 milliamp hour battery would power for you know for two hours
03:22:53 ◼ ► So, I don't know what that is. Maybe 30 or 40 50 watts something like that up to two hours
03:22:57 ◼ ► Which may when they say up to it makes me think like you think you would think video playback would be a low stress
03:23:06 ◼ ► It's projecting it on a single rectangle in front of you. No, but there's a you know, that's what I was talking about earlier
03:23:12 ◼ ► the baseline level of computation required to just show a still screen in this thing like to also show your entire
03:23:21 ◼ ► So much going on it's not like playing a 3d game or even like, you know crunching numbers and in some set of you know
03:23:32 ◼ ► There's not a lot of polygons and shaders in that scene with a single rectangle in front of you is what I'm saying
03:23:38 ◼ ► You know what? I mean as opposed to you know, playing an actual 3d game with you know, millions of polygons
03:23:46 ◼ ► I want to run I have an iPad app for stable diffusion and I want to run part of it on device
03:23:58 ◼ ► Application of this you can think of and I suppose I think maybe video playback is the lightest way because it probably web browsing is more
03:24:10 ◼ ► That's why the good the battery pack is place where pistol battery packs is great third pottery battery packs based on the picture that you posted
03:24:15 ◼ ► Casey it seems like they would be possible in which case just open the floodgates to gigantic USB batteries
03:24:30 ◼ ► You know, my wife has a monstrous battery pack that she uses Pokemon go they will power her phone for days
03:24:41 ◼ ► Third party opportunity but again makes makes me wonder why they gave such a small battery pack for this because they know the battery life
03:24:47 ◼ ► Is terrible, I guess they wanted it to fit in everybody's pocket assuming people have pockets on their clothes, but just not universally true
03:24:59 ◼ ► All right, we really got to wrap this up but a couple of other quick notes from the State of the Union
03:25:18 ◼ ► They also said they're going to have I don't know if they call them labs but like workshops or whatever in
03:25:23 ◼ ► Not only Cupertino but like I think it was six other locations around the world where you can apply to go and get FaceTime
03:25:30 ◼ ► With the device and in in try your app, you know on the actual vision Pro hardware, which I thought was pretty neat
03:25:37 ◼ ► It's only in the US and sometime early next year. So again, we are six months out at the earliest
03:25:48 ◼ ► I thought it was gonna be a full VR thing and that just doesn't really read my engine that much but it seems to be
03:25:53 ◼ ► Very different than that and I am definitely interested to try it. I think there's pretty good chance. I'm probably gonna end up buying one
03:26:00 ◼ ► Sounds like Marco you're definitely gonna capture video of your kids. I'm telling you that's that's it
03:26:08 ◼ ► They didn't note that a lot of the things they were showing in the 3d is good enough to fool you
03:26:20 ◼ ► I mean like so what you were seeing every single pixel of it was was you know virtual like it's nothing
03:26:26 ◼ ► But they had a bunch of like that a conference room one and a desk and so if you want to feel like you're in one
03:26:45 ◼ ► but you'd also don't have to worry about the fact that like your room is a mess or your or your
03:26:56 ◼ ► It's like I was thinking of ER, but when you're thinking of ER, you're like, oh, I'm in outer space or I'm in a forest
03:27:05 ◼ ► So John are you are you feeling like you're in for one of these I know you have a Mac Pro to buy so probably not
03:27:10 ◼ ► I am saving a lot of money not getting that Mac Pro. Let me tell you I definitely would like to try this
03:27:20 ◼ ► Do motion sickness and also I have a 6k screen here and this is not gonna be bigger than that
03:27:35 ◼ ► Only with less light leakage and and a better display honestly right better display than than my current like not
03:27:46 ◼ ► Also Casey, of course, you're gonna get this because call sheet is gonna have to have a widget next to the thing when people watch
03:27:52 ◼ ► Yeah, I've thought about this a lot already. Actually. I really honestly have I've been kind of shocked that Apple didn't show that
03:27:59 ◼ ► It's like people sound like the version of Amazon x-ray. I don't know why everyone hasn't copied Amazon x-ray, please Apple copy this
03:28:06 ◼ ► Just do it better than Amazon does it which people don't know when you're watching something if you tap the the play the player in
03:28:12 ◼ ► Amazon video thing it shows you the names and faces of everybody who's on the screen right now
03:28:17 ◼ ► And if you tap on them call sheet style say here's what they're from. Here's what they've been in
03:28:24 ◼ ► Now this was this was all told now we are considering, you know, the vision Pro headset
03:28:32 ◼ ► WVDC I am I have been sad for a long time since I figure since I figured out about a week ago
03:28:39 ◼ ► I am even more sad now that I'm seeing all my friends together and I'm seeing you know people trying the
03:28:49 ◼ ► but this was this was a really strong WWDC a very very strong one and I am very impressed and
03:28:55 ◼ ► I can't wait to talk more about it. But hey, if you're interested in helping us buy these ridiculous
03:29:07 ◼ ► You can try it, you know, maybe send a few dollars our way. It would help us buy this thing that we don't need
03:29:21 ◼ ► Squarespace collide and vector bar and thank you as Casey was just saying to our members who support us directly
03:30:54 ◼ ► Overlooking cafe max where like they have like a little snacks before it starts. So you're literally above the heathens below you. Yes
03:31:24 ◼ ► Cold bar of just little kind of like little like, you know appetizer sigh early not even appetizer
03:31:34 ◼ ► that size little cups of you know a bean salad or like little tiny slider made of mushroom or like little tiny turkey sandwich
03:31:45 ◼ ► It's all really good and they even had to have like a chia pudding like the fancy stuff
03:31:50 ◼ ► Like it's exactly what you'd expect from like apples high production value for this thing
03:31:58 ◼ ► You know last year they had the issue where it was very it was kind of sunnier than expected last year and a lot of
03:32:12 ◼ ► So press mostly was in the shade most developers last year were in that were in direct Sun
03:32:16 ◼ ► Now Apple thought of this they gave you in the little in the little like, you know swag bags
03:32:20 ◼ ► They give everybody they gave you a little bottle of sunscreen last year and it was good sunscreen, too
03:32:25 ◼ ► So this year they decided rather than just give everybody sunscreen again. We're gonna build this entire
03:32:30 ◼ ► What might be a temporary like structure where it was in the same location last year like starting from within cafe max
03:32:37 ◼ ► Going out through those giant open doors, you know into like the kind of the field next to the building same location
03:32:45 ◼ ► They basically built a concert venue that knowing Apple. I wouldn't be surprised if it's gone by tomorrow
03:32:53 ◼ ► If it's just like somehow they will throw enough money at this problem that not only will it be totally gone
03:33:11 ◼ ► I went they had like all these like juices and everything and then afterwards I went over to the visitor center to hang out like
03:33:19 ◼ ► And watch and that's where I watched the State of the Union and they were just giving out like, you know free like
03:33:24 ◼ ► You know coffees and even more of those kind of little like hors d'oeuvre sized sandwiches and bean bowls and stuff like that
03:33:30 ◼ ► Cookies bags of chips. It was delightful. So this is way way better than conference food
03:33:37 ◼ ► And and yeah just standard it standard Apple visitor center fair, but that's that's a very high bar
03:33:44 ◼ ► Relative to anything else you get at a conference so thumbs up on the food and even the coffee was pretty good