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Minimum target is the difference between your total receipt price for whatever you just bought that you didn't probably necessarily super need,
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and the base price of the family. So good luck.
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Indeed. And if you wanted to help compute that for you, is there a website or a slogan or like a name for this whole idea that we could look up?
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Yes, this is called The Marco Offset, and somebody made a website that I forgot the URL. Is it just marcooffset.com?
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This is my last chance to give one of my usual pitches about this is to people in our audience who are software developers or some other fairly highly paid profession.
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If you're just getting out of college or you're getting your first job as a programmer or whatever, I remember what that was like.
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You feel like you're just trying to get your feet underneath you, and when you hear people talk about charities and stuff like that on podcasts, you say, "Oh, this is a good cause. I hope people give to that."
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But you feel like it's something for other people because you are not yet in a position to do that.
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And that's true. Maybe you're just getting your feet under yourself. You really don't have time or money to think about charity at this point.
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But what happens is, especially if you are in one of these pretty well-paid technical professions like software developer or similar, you'll have your job for a few years, and maybe you'll move to another job or get a promotion or whatever.
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And the years will pass by, and eventually, without realizing it, you will become one of those people who you used to think about as listening to charity pitches and giving money to charity.
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Because if asked on a survey, "What percentage of people's income do you think they should give to charity?"
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It's like, "Well, if they don't have a lot of money, maybe they can't afford to give anything, and that's fine."
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But once people start making real money and they pay off their student loans or whatever, and they're finally getting their feet under them, they're thinking about saving for a house or whatever,
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those people should give X percent of their money to charity. And it's really easy to say that and think about that when you're assuming it's other people.
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But if you find yourself in your mid-30s having worked as a software developer for 5, 10, 15 years, chances are good that you are now one of those people who you used to think is supposed to give money to charity.
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And if you aren't in the habit of giving money to charity, that abstract concept of what percentage well-to-do people should give to charity, you have that in your head.
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But then look, when you do your taxes at the end of the year and say, "What percentage of our income did we give to charity this year?"
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I'm not saying you have to give to St. Jude. You can give to whatever cause that you believe in, although we think this is a good cause.
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And it's really easy to do, stjude.org/atp. Think about at the year end what charities are going to give. And the good thing is, for tax purposes and everything, you can give all the money on one day at the very end of the year.
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It's not like you need to spread it out throughout the year, and sometimes that is something you can give monthly or whatever.
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But please think about the idea that perhaps you, without you knowing it, have become one of those people who you always assumed would give money to charity.
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Check your tax return and see if that's you. And if it's not, give a dollar or something. It's great. It'll make you feel good.
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Indeed, stjude.org/atp. John, there's been some developments. This is a bit inside baseball, but this whole thing, it's almost too bad that nobody else gets to see the accidental channel in the Relay Slack, which is where we take, you know, that's our Slack channel for the three of us.
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We usurp Relay's bandwidth, if you will. And watching this fly by over the last few days has been a true honest to goodness delight. John, can you tell me what you've been up to recently?
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Yeah, last episode, Marco was saying, "Let me tell you how John gets me to add features to the website. He sends these pull requests over the fence that he's never even run.
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A code that he's never even run, code that he doesn't even have the ability to run, and then that makes me just reimplement it and do it myself."
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In a language he doesn't officially know.
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Yeah, and he said this because I had just recently done that. Sent a pull request, noting full well, "Hey, I've never run any of this code."
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I feel like two things here. One, Marco was employing his own version of the same thing, which I'll get to in a second.
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But two, before I get to that one, he talked about me sending pull requests that I had never run. He had also never run that pull request.
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And I know that because when I eventually did the number one thing that I got to in a second, I ran my pull request on a dev version of ADP.fm, and it worked the first time with no changes.
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So if he'd only just accepted that pull request, merged it and deployed it, or merged it and tested it, it would have worked perfectly.
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So here's the thing, how did I test it?
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In all fairness, that one was a lot less code and a lot less broken than the first one you sent.
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Yeah, well, you know, you win some, you lose some. Anyway, here's what Marco did.
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Here's the first thing I was referring to. Here's how John gets me to make changes to the website.
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Well, here's how Marco gets me to finally get a dev version of the site up and running. He talks about it on the podcast.
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And so I said, "You know what? I started that project to make a Docker image that would run the dev server.
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Let me finish that project." Because Marco called me out on another podcast, so that's what I did.
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I picked up my Docker work that I had been doing, and I got the site up and running in Docker in a mostly working state.
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And the very first thing I did was went to dev.atp.fm/specials and saw that the specials page that I had added worked perfectly.
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But of course, I didn't stop there once I had a working dev server.
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I just went down the punch list of all the easy, tiny little changes that are in our to-do document for the website.
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And I did a bunch of them as well. And then Casey tried out my Docker thing, and it worked for him on the very first try.
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And not only that, there was a small bit of user error on my part, wherein there was an expectation of an environment variable that I did not set correctly.
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Casey doesn't know how Fish works. That's the problem. Fish is weird.
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Hold on. Who does know how Fish works? That's not a valid complaint to accuse Casey of that. No one knows how Fish works.
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Well, let me see. Here's the thing. He was using a Fish-ism, so he knows a little bit about how it works.
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He needed to set an environment variable. But rather than setting an environment variable the way you would do it in Bash or the Borne shell or any other regular shell,
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he set it doing it the weird Fish way. This is F-I-S-H, not P-H-I-S-H. It's not Marko's band.
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Right. That shell I would know something about. The commands are very long.
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Right. But he could have just used Bash cell syntax and it would work.
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But instead, he used the special Fish syntax for the universal variable thing, which are like turbocharged environment.
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I don't know. I don't use Fish. But anyway, he used the special Fish specific one, and that's not the same thing as environment variables and that tripped him up.
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Thank you for that. But anyway, suffice to say, you're raking me over the coals here and I'm trying to compliment you.
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This is the story of our relationship. Merlin, I feel you.
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No, I was just saying that you actually do know something about the Fish shell because you were using a very specific feature that you had to have read the docs to learn about.
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Fair enough. Well, alright, I'll allow it. But anyways, the point is, I go to run this, I thought I'd set my environment variable correctly.
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Clearly, I was wrong. But, and this is the mark of a mature and well-seasoned developer, that when I ran it, the script that you had helpfully provided to start the whole, you know, download the container, start it, run it, and so on and so forth,
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it immediately said, "Hey, I can't find such and such environment variable. What would you like it to be set to?"
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Which was just chef's kiss. This is the sign of a mature developer. Immature developers, including probably me, would have just dumped and said, "You didn't set it, dummy!"
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No, immature developers would have done two things. One, they wouldn't have set minus X on the bash script, so it would have continued whether there was an error or not.
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And two, it would just blindly continue with an empty string.
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Anyway, I was very proud of you, and yes, it did work the very first shot. Your instructions were excellent. That was the other good thing.
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It turns out documentation is helpful. Who knew? And John had excellent documentation, and it worked lickety-split. It was great.
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And it turns out that just fixing something yourself is way better than filing a bug report and just waiting forever.
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Well, we didn't have a bug report, so we just had a document with a to-do list. All I needed was the ability to do the things on the to-do list, and I did. And I'm doing the easy ones, to be clear. I'm still leaving all the hard ones for you.
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It's also fair that the things on the to-do list, you keep writing them and I keep not looking at them. That's quite a metaphor, really.
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You just gotta get the top two that we put in there recently, and I'll handle everything else.
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Eric Merrill wrote in with regard to USB-A to USB-C adapters,
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"The USB-C spec, for backwards compatibility and cheapness reasons, allows some cases where a USB-C plug connector may supply power blindly without negotiation or additional resistors,
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namely in A to C plug cables for charging, and certain power adapters.
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But power adapters like this must have the cable permanently attached to the adapter, so there's only a C plug connection available.
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Because of this, all USB-C socket ports must be able to receive 5 volts of power at any time without warning.
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A USB-C socket port is never allowed to supply power blindly,
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but a USB-A port is typically always supplying power and not expecting to receive power.
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So when you connect a USB-C socket to a USB-A plug adapter, like the one Jon was describing,
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you have created a USB-C socket port with 5 volts being output on it.
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Depending on what things you plug into that port, you can connect two power supply outputs into each other, resulting in unexpected current flow.
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There are safe ways to use these adapters, but they are not foolproof, and that's why they're prohibited by the spec.
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So that would probably explain why there's so many people saying things melted or caught on fire,
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because this is just not supposed to happen.
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I know it's confusing with the A and the C and the plug and the socket and everything,
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but basically, this is a violation of the spec, because you've got an A plug and a C socket,
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and they're connected directly to each other. Normally you would have a cable.
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People think, "Well, if it's a cable, isn't it just the exact same thing as the adapter, but with a long string between it?"
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No, because the cable would have a plug on both ends, and there would be no sockets.
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This is essentially an adapter, a dongle, and that's why you can find these real cheap, but they're not recommended.
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And if you think about what those adapters allow you to create is, with one of those adapters that converts A to a C-hole,
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and then one of those basic C to A charging cables, then you can create, by plugging those into each other through the Cs,
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you can create an A to A cable. And that's what the problem is.
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If you have two A ports, both supplying power to each other and not expecting to receive power into an A port,
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that's a big problem, and so there are definitely risks for that.
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So that's the kind of thing, it is possible to use these adapters safely if you are careful with how you connect them to things,
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and what you are connecting them to, but as we know, it's generally, you know, electrical standards and safety standards
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and things are usually designed in such a way so that it is impossible or very difficult to do the wrong thing.
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And these make it very easy to do the wrong thing, if you don't really know what you're doing.
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And this is one of the problems, like, for the first time in a while, you know, the entire USB spec until C,
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all the various USB plugs and ports were always directional by shape. You couldn't plug a cable in the wrong direction.
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You couldn't have an adapter that adapted things wrong, because, like, all, you know, the A was the source,
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and all the different Bs were all the destinations, there was no way to have, like, you couldn't make an A to A cable legitimately,
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and there would be no legitimate reason for somebody to ever buy one of those things.
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So, that's why, you know, C made things more complicated, because with C, if you just have in your hand the end of a C cable,
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you don't know whether that is sending or receiving power. And so you kind of have to, you know, things have to be designed a little more carefully.
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All right, we have something labeled as Sharp Tech, which I think is a reference to Ben Thompson's podcast,
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but nevertheless, what is going on here?
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Yes, that is a reference to the podcast. This is about the, there are many kerfuffles, as Casey would say, related to the new iPhones.
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This is one of them, we'll get to more in a moment. This is about the 15 Pro and presumably also the 15 Pro Max,
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with their titanium outer ring thing, and a bunch of people online have noted that when they got their 15 Pro or 15 Pro Max,
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they could feel something kind of sharp, where the edge, the titanium edge meets the screen.
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The front, although I think some people also feel it on the back, but it's mostly people talking about the front.
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And I had heard about this before my wife got her phone, so the very first thing I did, she's got the 15 Pro, natural titanium,
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the very first thing I did was took it out and wanted to see if I could feel this thing people are talking about.
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And I could, but of course now we don't know if I hadn't heard about this online, would I have noticed it?
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I think I probably would have noticed it because it does feel different than the 14 Pro, which I have to compare it to.
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Now obviously my wife's going to put a case on it, so it doesn't really matter, you're never going to feel this seam again.
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And I think it varies from phone to phone, but everyone has been comparing notes in this MacRumors thread we'll put on there,
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saying here's what mine feels like, here's what it looks like. It's very difficult to photograph because it's very, very small,
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and the bottom line is there's like a little tiny gap between the screen and the titanium edge,
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and I was trying to sort of quantify it in some way because taking a picture is hard.
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This is the best I could come up with, and it's going to sound ridiculous, but it's the only thing I could do.
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If you take the corner of a piece of paper and sort of put that corner at a 45 degree angle to the screen of your phone,
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and then press it a little bit so the corner bends, and then slide that corner towards the edge of your phone,
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it will catch when it gets to the titanium edge, on my wife's phone anyway.
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It will catch for a moment, and eventually you'll be able to push past it.
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If you do the same thing on a 14 Pro, it does not catch, it just slides straight off the edge.
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Is this manufacturing variability? Is this just the way the phone is supposed to go together?
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Are some people's phones different than other people's with respect to this thing?
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I guess both of you have 15 Pros to look at now, if you feel from like basically put your finger on the screen,
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and slide it off the edge to the right or to the left, can you feel something, sharp is the wrong word,
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but can you feel the titanium edge? Can you feel like there's a little gap there? Can you feel it?
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Yes, it's very subtle. I mean, I would never have called this something wrong.
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To me, this is just where two materials meet, but I can feel the edge just barely.
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I wouldn't describe it even as sharp, but I actually, I would say I feel it a little bit more on the back glass,
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on the bottom edge of the phone. That, for some reason, feels a little bit more prominent to me,
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but I wouldn't describe either one of them as even seemingly noticeable, let alone a problem.
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You should check all the different edges, because that's another thing I did on my iPhone.
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I'm like, well, is it more prominent on the upper left, upper right, lower,
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and I did find a section of the phone where it felt more prominent.
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There's such small things that it's hard to see, but again, compared to the 14 Pro,
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just the way they go together, there's not really that same gap. What about you, Casey? Can you feel it?
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Yeah, that's exactly what Marco said. I never in a million years would have classified this as a problem.
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I don't think it is a problem. I can sort of feel it, particularly on the bottom left-hand corner of the front of the device,
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but I would not consider this a defect. Maybe the tolerance isn't exactly up to normal Apple standards,
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but had I not been told about this, there's no way I would have ever thought that there was anything even slightly wrong with this phone,
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and I still don't really think there's anything wrong with it.
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But yeah, there's a little bit there, but not enough to make a stink about, in my personal opinion.
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I mean, again, this could just be the way this phone goes together, because there's lots of different ways you can do that joint,
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and this phone is shaped differently. It's not exactly the same. It has the curve or whatever,
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so this just may be the way the phone is supposed to go together, and it's just, you know,
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like in a car, there are panel gaps in there with intolerances, whereas maybe the previous phones had more of an overlapping thing,
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so when you have overlapping things, it's easier to hide differences and tolerances,
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as long as the overlap covers any difference. I will say, though, that I think the fact that I can feel where the two materials join together
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is less satisfying than if I couldn't feel it, so if this is the way it's supposed to go together,
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I would recommend Apple reconsider it for the next phone design.
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I don't think it's—not that I use it without a case, but if I did use it without a case, it's not as pleasing as, you know,
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the 14 had very flat sides, but still, at least the joints were good, but if you think about something like the iPhone X,
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the way that felt, the rounded sides or whatever, being able to feel any kind of seam or joint at that point
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where you hold the phone, I think, is not ideal, so I would suggest to Apple that they think about this going forward.
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Oh, and related to that, speaking of manufacturing variability, there is another Reddit post, Link, from that same forum,
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someone taking a phone in an Apple store and looking at the very top of the phone, like head-on, the skinny end,
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and they can kind of see underneath the screen, like the backlight leaking out between the titanium edge and the screen.
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That seems like either the phone has been damaged by handling from, you know, the people who visit Apple stores,
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which would not be surprising, because I bet those devices get a lot of abuse over the course of the day,
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or it could be a manufacturing defect, but yeah, 'tis the season for manufacturing defects and variability
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in the first run of the very new iPhone.
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All right, and then we have all sorts of problems with the fine woven case,
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and let me just start by saying that I did put the fine woven case on my phone when I received it on Friday.
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I lasted through the end of the day, and then I decided I'm going to return it.
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I don't have as visceral a hatred for it as seemingly everyone else in Under the Sun does.
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I don't think it's that bad, the conversation we're about to have notwithstanding, but I don't know,
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I just didn't care for it, and I really, really dislike not only the feel of the sides of it, but the look and the two-tone thing.
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I just, I don't like it, and as people are saying in the chat, it's okay, but it's just too darn expensive.
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Like, this is not a $60 case in my eyes. It's a $20 or $30 case, as far as I'm concerned,
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in terms of the build quality and the way it feels in my hand. It's not, I don't like it.
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So right now, I am caseless, casey-less. AppleCare is my case.
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I do not plan to keep it that way because I've shattered the last two phones I've treated this way.
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So I have not unequivocally concluded what I'm going to do, but I do have a peel case, P-E-E-L,
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in my Amazon shopping cart, which I plan whenever we do the next family Amazon order.
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I will send that through, so to speak. I will have that delivered, and I'll see if that does the trick.
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Yeah, so my wife still got her fine woven case, and she's only used it for a few days now.
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So far, it's holding up okay, but the very first night she had the case on the phone
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and went to her nightstand to plug it in with the cables that we had wisely pre-ordered
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to make sure there was USB-C connections in all the places where she needed them,
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she said, "There's something wrong here." She couldn't plug the USB-C cable into her phone.
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I'm like, "What do you mean you can't plug it in? Do you have the wrong cable?"
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It's like, it's not going in. So I looked at it, and you could see that we had a high-quality anchor,
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name-brand USB-C charging cable, three feet long, just on her nightstand.
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And if you try to plug it in, the plug does not insert all the way,
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because the hole in the bottom of the case does not allow the plastic jacket around the metal USB-C plug.
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It doesn't allow it to pass through. The hole is too small.
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And I was like, "Oh, I guess do we just have really thick cable ends on these?"
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Lots of good string relief, whatever. And the answer is yes, this anchor cable does have a pretty thick plastic shroud around it.
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But that made me start looking at the bottom of this phone a little bit more closely,
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and it was immediately clear that the hole in the bottom of this fine woven case was not correctly centered around the USB-C port.
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Like, not even close. Just visually, anybody can look at this and say, "Nope, that's not centered."
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I mean, one of the ways to look at it is there's two little screws around the USB-C port itself,
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and you can see a little bit of one of the screws, and you can't see any of the other.
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But even if the screws weren't there, this is not centered horizontally, it's also not centered vertically.
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Now, all that said, I did the test where I took the case off of the phone,
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and then just tried to see if I could pass the plug-in through it, you know, without worrying about actually plugging the connector in,
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because now it's just an empty case. The anchor connector still does not fit through the opening, even when there's no phone inside there.
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So there's two issues at play here. One, if you have a USB-C charging cable that maybe you've been using for years on an iPad or some other device,
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maybe check whether the cable you're going to use is able to pass through the hole in the bottom of your iPhone case,
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or do like I do and get a bare-bottom iPhone case. Because that's something we didn't really have to think about with Lightning,
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because everybody selling a Lightning cable or a case, it was kind of an ecosystem where you knew what you were going to get.
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The case has to accommodate a Lightning cable, and Lightning cables have to accommodate cases, and they all grew up together.
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So there was no instance where anyone was selling a Lightning cable that couldn't fit through a case hole,
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and there was no one selling cases that a Lightning cable wouldn't fit through, right? Because it wouldn't make sense.
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You know what's going to happen there. But USB-C cables have existed for years and years,
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and many, many, many of those USB-C cables never had any expectation of ever being put into an iPhone,
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because iPhones didn't have USB-C. And so, lo and behold, all of these, you know, this anchor cable, which we bought recently,
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was nevertheless a cable that existed in an anchor's line for probably years, and it was not made with the expectation that it would have to fit through a hole in the bottom of an iPhone case.
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And lo and behold, it doesn't. So be aware of this. I'll put a link in the show notes to two examples to the cable that didn't fit,
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and I also found a tiny little short cable that I bought for, like, our little charging, like, shelf area that does fit.
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And it was just luck of the draw that one of them fit and one of them didn't. But think about that, even if you're not getting the Apple case.
00:38:57
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But yeah, the Apple case is getting slammed by everybody because the hole's off-center, and it's getting people very upset.
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It's not just me that has an off-center hole. A lot of people have off-center holes. In fact, a couple people wrote in with our, you know,
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tweeted that the Apple silicone case is also off-center, so I don't know if this is just a big manufacturing problem with their cases,
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that they can't center the hole around the port. Maybe this has always happened and we just never noticed,
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because, again, the Lightning connector, maybe there was enough, like, room around the openings that it wasn't a big deal,
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but now the tolerances seem real close if you have a thick USB-C cable. So this is not going great for the fine woven case.
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Yeah, well, and for what it's worth, I did break out my fine woven case from the box where I had put it in order to send it,
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or bring it back to Apple, which I plan to do in the next, you know, day or two.
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And anyways, I put it back on my phone very briefly, and the port, the hole seems to be perfectly centered on mine.
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So I did get lucky in that regard. Unfortunately, it sounds like you did not.
00:39:56
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Yeah, again, it's not just me, there's lots of people reporting this. Viticci reported that he brought his fine woven case on his iPhone to dinner with him,
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and put his phone down on the table, and the next morning woke up and realized he had picked up a stain.
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Because when you make things out of fabric or fabric-type material, you can pick up stains if you put it down in some kind of liquid.
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I did peek at my wife's fine woven case before I came down here to podcast, and it still looks pretty much pristine, but I'll keep you updated on that.
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But I can tell you from Christian Mumaw's tweet on September 23rd, in the Apple Store in Boston, the two fine woven cases on display looked like they were attacked by a badger.
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Well, that's probably from people who read the Virg story, like, "Oh, you scratch!"
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Exactly! Some people go online, they read a story about how these things scratch when you, you know, look ugly when you scratch them with your fingernail,
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and then they go into an Apple store, and what do they do? They take their fingernail and they go *crack*
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So, this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. People are going to Apple stores. I mean, it kind of makes some sense. You want to know, "Hey, if I buy this case, is it going to scratch real easily?"
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And one way to figure that out is to go *crack* and scratch the case.
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And so we'll put a link in the shout-outs to this toot, you'll see two very, very scratched fine woven cases.
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There's a number of angles to this. Number one, I think anyone who's interested in a bunch of fine woven complaining and nerdery, definitely listen to Upgrade from, I think, today or yesterday.
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There was a great segment, Jason was talking about how, like, there was probably a group at Apple responsible for "Make a premium case that we can sell for 60 bucks."
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And when the leather went away, they're kind of like, "Uh, now what?" And they made this kind of in that price point and in that role rather than trying to figure out, like, you know, what can we actually make that's nice and doesn't need to keep that same price point or whatever else.
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The leather cases were more expensive than this, though. This is under-pricing the leather ones. The leather one was like 70 or 80, wasn't it?
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It was in the ballpark. Regardless, this is not a good case. This is an interesting first attempt. I hope they're going to revise this because, again, what they said in Upgrade, like, Apple's cases, you could always say they were expensive, but they were at least good.
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And this is just, this is expensive and not good. And that's not great for them.
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That being said, I got my Peak Design Everyday case, which I loved the iPhone 14 version of it, and I lasted about five minutes with it on my iPhone 15 Pro.
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So most third-party cases for the 15 continued their previous approximate design where you would have a cutout where the silent and ring switch was. Because you weren't constantly pushing it in.
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There was no way to have a sliding switch on a case that was any usefulness there. So everyone just had cutouts. You could reach in with your fingernail and flip it over if you really wanted to, but it was more difficult.
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Well, I'm already so accustomed to using the action button for something fun that having it be buried in a cutout of the case made it too difficult to access.
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And so I would strongly suggest anybody out there, if you're designing a case for the iPhone 15 Pro, that's got to be a button. It can't be a cutout anymore.
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And anybody out there who has an iPhone 15 Pro and is case shopping, strongly advise get one that has a button there, not a cutout.
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And look at the cutout on the bottom and make sure your cables fit in it.
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I got a new case for my phone as well, my iPhone 14 Pro. I just went up to the attic and pulled down the bull strap case, which was basically a clone of the Ryan London leather case.
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And I swapped them out so now I have a nice brand new case. Of course, I thought about it. I was like, you know, maybe I should just keep this one on because my Ryan London one has been on it for a year and it's kind of nicely broken in.
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But it's also kind of like dented and I dropped it a bunch of times or whatever. So I'm starting over. I got a break in the bull strap case and it's working out well so far.
00:43:53
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And the fine woven thing, obviously the manufacturing defects are bad. I don't like that the hole is not centered. The fact that cables don't fit, like the Anker USB-C cable I have, it doesn't fit both in width and in height.
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So it's not like it's just one dimension. Both dimensions don't fit. If you made the case larger to accommodate this cable, I think the edges of the case might be too thin.
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Like the top and bottom might be too thin. So I kind of understand why the opening is the size it is. It's just a very thick cable, but it's something to keep in mind.
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But I kind of like how it looks and how it feels. Again, durability, I don't know how that's going to work out. It's only been like a week or whatever now.
00:44:29
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But I think I like, I kind of like the rubbery-ish sides. I think the back looks and feels nice. I think it is, it would be a $60 case if you like how it looks and feels.
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Because that's just an aesthetic thing and just a tactile thing. And if they can get the holes to line up with the ports. Because I feel like it's kind of an important thing for a $60 case.
00:44:48
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And again, someone put in a picture of an Apple silicone case with exactly the same problem. So this may be something that has always happened and we've just never noticed that the holes in the bottom of Apple's iPhone cases have been off by a fraction of a millimeter or two.
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Because it never mattered until people are trying to plug in cables that don't fit. And then they're staring at that bottom hole like I was and noticing that it's off.
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Again, I'm a strong proponent of an iPhone case that does not have anything covering the bottom. Not for plugging in ports, so that's just a nice side effect.
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But because you swipe up from the bottom to unlock the thing and I can't stand swiping up over the lip of a case. And Apple really needs to get on that.
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I mean, it was last year the clear case didn't have a bottom lip.
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Yeah, I was going to say, I haven't seen one yet, but they still sell the clear case. And honestly, I actually might get one because, oh by the way, before I get to that Simultime follow up, multiple people in the chat are reporting that apparently Peak Design agrees with me and they're going to revise the case and issue swaps or refunds.
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I can't believe that they would, you know, like everybody knew about the action button. I can't believe they would sell the case with that giant opening.
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Look, I thought bad on me. That's, I mean, jeez, if they actually do that, that's, look, I love Peak Design. That's why I blindly give them so much for my business. That's kind of amazing if they actually do that.
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Anyway, secondly, on the clear case, like right now, I think the Apple clear case might be the best Apple case period because...
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Did you try the clear case in the 14 Pro?
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Yes, I owned one. I used it until I got the Peak Design case, which was probably about maybe a quarter or half the year.
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That's right. We talked about this last year. No, I did not like the clear case.
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No, the only problem, it feels great in the hand because it's like nice tacky plastic. The only problem I have with it is that like any clear case, eventually you get a bunch of dust and crap under there and it looks really terrible.
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No, well, I mean, I only did it for maybe four or five months, but it didn't happen during that time, but it was great. If I hadn't discovered the Peak Design case halfway through the year, I would have stuck with it for the whole year.
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I mean, imagine the reason that, I think we talked about this last year, like why doesn't the clear case have a bottom lip while all of Apple's other ones do?
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I imagine it might have to do with the fact, like what I just said, if you do the cutout hole for the Lightning or USB-C port, it leaves such a thin piece of material above and below the port that maybe they're afraid it would like crack whatever material the clear thing's made of, so they just left it open.
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Apple, please, open bottom cases. You used to make them all the time and then you didn't. Ugh, it kills me. So anyway, for iPhone 16 Pro, I will be third-party case shopping again.
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This is like Unified Timeline. I understand that it is a do-or-die requirement for you. I don't understand why. You do you. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I just don't.
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If you had a case, like Ignorance is less, as you would say, you haven't experienced this, so you're like, "Oh, it's fine. I don't mind it," or whatever, but as soon as you had a case that didn't have the lip, it's just so much nicer.
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I mean, I guess, but I grabbed my 14 Pro, which is sitting next to me, and it has the Apple leather case on it with a big ol' lip on the bottom, and I don't mind it. Like, it just does not bother me like it bothers you, but to each their own.
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So Jem wrote in with some feedback, "As a woman who has had to deal with phones being far too big for small hands for many years, I've found popsockets to be really uncomfortable. I find straps like this one," and we'll put a link in the show notes, "to be much more ergonomic.
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There's plenty of versions available, including magnetic ones with card holders, etc. Just thought I'd pass the info along in case the popsocket gives you a cramp in your hand like it does for me."
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We'll put a link in the show notes to this. Let me start by saying I've never tried one of these. This doesn't look like the sort of thing that I would enjoy, but I've seen several people make this recommendation, so maybe it's worth a shot.
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And certainly it's a heck of a lot cheaper than a popsocket. It's like a third of the cost.
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It's less ridiculous than a popsocket. A popsocket struck me as like, I know they have ones that collapse and everything, but it's just like, talk about adding a structural element to your phone. A strap seems much less intrusive because it can kind of lay flat when you're not using it and you don't have to like un-pop it or whatever, but I know people love their popsockets and it just becomes like part of the phone. It just, it always seemed kind of like it turns your phone into like one of those little puzzle pieces that you give like kids, you know, like little wooden puzzles. They have little plastic pegs so you can grab the puzzle piece real easily.
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I should point out the Peeks on Everyday Case does have a loop option on it for 10 bucks more, but that's what this link is, is much larger. This is the whole height of the phone.
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Yeah, you shove your whole hand through the screen.
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Yeah, it loops through the camera hole down to the bottom of the case. I mean, that's quite, that's a huge ordeal.
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It's like a popsocket is like, you know, there's like a peg in the middle that you put between your fingers, right? And this is the opposite of that. It's around the outside of your hand. Either way, it's making it so that if you open your hand, the phone doesn't fall, either because the popsocket is between your fingers or because the strap is over your hand.
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Yep. Anonymous writes, "Now we are leaving all case-related things." And Anonymous writes in with regard to Apple and chip binning, which I think was an Ask ATP from last week. Anyways, when it comes to silicon chip production, both Apple and Intel create bins based on efficiency, but they do different things with the bins.
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While Intel holds power fixed and lets frequency vary, Apple holds frequency or performance fixed and bins by power consumption. For example, a Mac Mini can tolerate a hotter SoC than a MacBook Air. Hotter meaning higher power consumption.
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Just like Intel, Apple is motivated to use as much of the wafer as possible, not just for financial reasons, but also for carbon footprint. TSMC does not use particularly clean energy.
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Yeah, this is really interesting. So, forgive me, I only have a rudimentary understanding of modern chip and chip design and chip manufacturing, but I know back in the days when I actually attempted overclocking as a PC user, a chip might run at a certain frequency just fine only if you increase the voltage a little bit.
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And when you increase the voltage, it makes it use way more power, like in whatever steps we were dealing with back then, it makes way more heat, etc. But certain speeds were attainable only by increasing the voltage.
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So, this is interesting. If things work at all that way today, which I'm sure it's more complicated than that today, but the basic idea is probably still there, that a chip might be able to perform at full speed, but you need to give it a bit more power to do so.
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So, that's a really interesting idea if this is true, that they could bid based on, okay, the ones that can achieve full speed at the lowest power, those are going in laptops. The ones that need a bit more power, those are going in John's Mac Pro.
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No, not my Mac Pro. But yeah, the whole idea is if you don't know, Apple basically more or less holds the clock speeds the same, but they're just picking the ones like, you know, which one uses more power to achieve the target fixed clock speed that we have.
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And so, they'll try every chip off the line and say, is this a good one? We can achieve our single fixed clock speed. It's not fixed, it can change, whatever.
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They're not selling faster or slower ones on their website. You just get what you get and it clocks up and down, right?
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But the ones that use more power to do so, they'll save them for the ones that have better cooling systems. So, that's the way Apple has been.
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Because as you heard last show, the variability in manufacturing exists no matter what. Like, there's no way to make, if they could make them all exactly the same on the wafer, they would, but they can't. So, there's always going to be "good ones" and "bad ones".
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And what this is saying is within the line of laptops that use the same SOC, they're going to put the "good ones" in the ones with the worst cooling system.
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And that's going to be the cheapest ones. The MacBook Air with no fan, right? And the "bad ones" are going to end up in a Mac Studio because they have a much bigger cooler there. Which is kind of the opposite of the way it is when you're bidding by clock speed, where you test them and you find the ones that can go a higher clock speed.
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But, you know, Apple doesn't crank up the clock speeds. I think that maybe the Studio does have a little bit higher clock than the MacBook Air and those stuff.
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So, basically, thermal throttling is a big deal, but that's another reason the "good ones" end up going in the MacBook Air, because it's going to thermal throttle no matter what. You don't want it to be thermal throttled so badly that it kills the performance of the chip.
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Geeker1 apparently has thoughts on the A17 Pro, and they decide that it is powerful but should be more efficient. John, tell me about this, please.
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Yeah, this is a YouTuber I hadn't seen before. I was really impressed by it because they're really diving as deep as they possibly can into the chip itself, going down to the point of more detail than Apple gave.
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We read the detail that Apple gave during the event of wider decode and better branch predictor or whatever. There's also new ALUs in there as well.
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So they have a chip diagram. They get these devices and then they probe them as best they can without cutting the top off the chip, so they're probing them with software or whatever to figure out what's different about the A17 Pro versus the A16.
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So they have a bunch of diagrams giving that information, and then they tested them.
00:53:27
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You know, A17 Pro versus A16 versus the latest Snapdragon SOCs and everything to try to dig into the point I was making on the last show of TSMC's 3nm. Does it take less energy per instruction executed?
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Are we receiving any of the promise of a silicon shrink? And this is from the verdict chapter of the video after extensive testing. I would encourage you to watch it if you're interested in this topic. It's kind of long, but they do go into lots of detail.
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This is from the verdict. This is Geeker1, whoever is the presenter on this channel.
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Now I just feel a bit bad, not only about iPhones, but also about the future of the semiconductor industry. The A17 Pro, being the first 3nm chip, didn't showcase any clear advantages over TSMC's last-gen products, electrical-wise. I still don't have a die shot, so I don't know density-wise.
00:54:22
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But if efficiency isn't improved at all, even with such a huge jump in fabrication, then how can we make chips better in the future?
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He is not excited about 3nm based on the results. You can go through them benchmark by benchmark and see. By the way, you can also see that some of the Snapdragon SOCs are actually performing better in GPU, but they don't have the 3D ray tracing stuff or whatever.
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Apple's lead in SOCs is still there. It still exists, especially in power efficiency. You'll see some tests where the A17 Pro is matching a Snapdragon using twice as much power. But it's not a giant clear-cut victory that it used to be. The competition is kind of catching up.
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3nm, according to the tests that people have been able to do so far, is not really bringing the dividends people thought it would so far.
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I wonder how much that is just that maybe Apple didn't take advantage of as much of the new design tweaks that are possible with the new process? I'm not sure.
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One of the most convincing tests was that they got to the point where the A17 Pro was throttling, which is another issue. People are saying that the A17 Pro doesn't have as much thermal mass to dissipate heat, so it's hot faster. But anyway, they had a diagram of power draw and clock frequency.
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The A17 Pro would be taking more power, but going a much higher clock than the A16. Then all of a sudden, at a certain point in the test, the A17 Pro throttles, and it throttled down to the same clock speed as the A16 was. And at the same clock speed as the A16, it used exactly the same amount of power.
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That's not what you would expect from a shrink. You would say, "Oh, if you shrink, I can either go faster with the same power or use more power." It was a very convincing diagram.
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Lend credence to the idea that 3nm is not buying us any power efficiencies, at least not yet. There are also other stories about how this 3nm process that TSMC is using right now, they have all these, like, we did the same thing with 5nm, they have these letter suffixes. This is the 5N process, or the 3E process. This is the first version of 3nm.
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And supposedly, as early as next year, like the beginning of next year, they'll be onto a new variation of the 3nm process that is better than this one. So maybe just the very first 3nm process is not giving lots of dividends, but yeah, it seems like most of the things that are better about the A17 Pro have almost nothing to do with 3nm.
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And it's more like, well, it has ray tracing, and it has another GPU core, and we can clock it a little bit higher, but when we clock it a little bit higher, it also uses more power, and that produces more heat, and the iPhone 15 Pro is not very good about dissipating that heat, and so are thermal throttles, and not impressive showing for the A17 Pro.
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I do wonder how much that is the enclosure design, because the iPhone 15 Pro, when I was setting it up, gave me the "I'm too hot for full speed charging" kind of warning. It overheated while I was just transferring my old phone to the new phone.
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I've never seen an iPhone do that. I've only seen an iPhone overheat in the sun, outside, that kind of stuff. I've never seen it overheat while on my desk in the evening, just transferring a bunch of data to it.
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So it does seem like the new enclosure design for the iPhone 15 Pro, as much as I love it in other ways, which I guess we'll get to, but as much as I love it in other ways, something is not as good about the cooling.
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For sure. I mean, you just go down to the fact that I don't think titanium dissipates heat as well as aluminum, but even if it did, there's just less of it, less mass, right? So you have less mass dissipating the heat, because the thing is lighter.
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And Apple has never been particularly aggressive about the cooling of the phones. There have been some rumors about them using vapor chamber, heat pipe type things or whatever, but so far they haven't really gone whole hog with that in their phones.
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Android phones, in many years past, have had to, by necessity, have much more robust cooling systems, because their SOCs just simply use more power, right? And there's a whole separate breed of Android phones that are like gaming phones, essentially. Some of them have fans in them, for crying out loud.
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I was about to make a joke about that. That actually exists.
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Yeah, I think there's a couple of them that have tiny little fans. But even the ones that don't, they have more robust cooling systems, and they reap the benefits from it. It doesn't take much more effort in cooling to really, you know, because you just have to do something more than what Apple does.
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But Apple has thus far decided that they're not particularly interested in expending space, weight, cost to allow this. And I think it's reasonable, like, people aren't running sustained batch jobs for their work on their phone that they need to run without throttling.
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And yeah, all these phones throttle. But again, setting aside the thermal characteristics of the 15 Pro and the 15 Pro Max, you know, watch this video, like when going the same clock speed as the A16, this three nanometer chip was using exactly the same amount of power, and that is not great.
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Great. And you can say, oh, but it's doing more because it was just it was like a CPU test. It wasn't even like a ray tracing GPU thing where you can say, well, but it's doing more ray tracing stuff. So technically, it's still doing more work for the same power, like watts per instruction executed is not looking impressive and three nanometer.
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And someone in the chat room said that the A17 is on the N3B process and next year will it will be N3E because E is after B, I guess anyway, we'll never gonna remember these things. But suffice it to say, TSMC continues to improve their process. And next year, there'll be a better three nanometer process. Hopefully they'll use that one for the Mac chips.
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Oh my god, did you see what user Tyler in the chat linked to?
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Oh my god. Maybe well, maybe I should get this next time I have to do a phone transfer. Oh my god, this is incredible.
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You gotta watch the video because in the video one of the things they do is they have they basically have phone coolers because they want to run some tests where they can guarantee the phone is not going to throttle so they massively cool them by sticking the phone into this rig that just like blows cold air at the back of a phone constantly when they're running it. This this is like a consumer version of that.
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Seven blade fan with up to 6400 RPM. You know how loud that would be?
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I got headphones in anyway, it's fine.
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That is kind of amazing. Holy Jamolis. Alright, and finally for follow up, John, I was 17 people's pets and places.
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One of the things I was most excited about in this year's crop of OS is that I think we talked about when we were discussing their feature sets was the fact that you know, photos is going to start recognizing animals just like it recognizes people.
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So I had been fighting with photos to have a people album that recognizes everybody in my family and a bunch of my relatives and so on and so forth.
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I still of course do manually tagging of my immediate family, which is much more reliable because the faces thing occasionally forgets who everybody is and loses track.
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But anyway, I'm trying to use a system. I'm like, but I have so many pictures of my dog, my my current dog, my past dog, and it has no idea who they are.
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I know it knows it can identify dogs and has a little dog overlay that will try to tell you what breed your dog is and get it hilariously wrong all the time.
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But it will find other dogs that look so much my dog, which is a fun feature.
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But this year is like now pets can be people too.
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This is another thing when you have the shared the shared iCloud shared photo album, you don't it doesn't share faces.
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We've discussed this before. It doesn't share album doesn't share faces.
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Right. So any work that I do on my iPhone related to faces is pointless because the quote unquote real library is my wife's library or that my wife is the owner of the shared library.
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And nothing I do on my phone can influence the face data for our real library.
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But despite that, when I upgraded my phone to iOS 17, I went to the photos app on my phone and in the album section, what was previously the people album now said people, pets and places.
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And lo and behold, it had little circles for everyone in my family.
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And then it had my little dog in a circle and had my dog's name under it.
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How the hell did you know my dog's name?
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I guess based on the tag, because I've tagged, you know, I have a daisy tag for all the pictures of my dog.
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And for what it's worth, I am the Tina in our relationship when it comes to photo stuff.
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My library was Canonical One and Aaron jumped onto it.
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I was also super excited to see Penny pictures found in my photo library, in our photo library.
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And I went and did the same thing and said, "Oh, it's not there yet."
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And it took, I think, one overnight on the charger before my phone found Penny.
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It did not label Penny with a name, but it found Penny and added her as a potential pet or whatever.
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And I also noticed that, as you said, the album or whatever, the thing that you can go to is no longer people.
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It's like you said, people, pets, and places.
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But anyways, it took overnight when it was, well, I was going to say plugged in, but it was charging via Qi.
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It took overnight to turn on this, presumably, while power was connected before it gave me that option and flipped that switch.
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Now, I agree, it would be nice if you could say, "Do it now!"
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But if you wait at least a night, which I guess at this point you probably have.
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No, I've waited multiple nights. I know how this works.
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I know they say, "Oh, we'll do it while your thing is plugged in and charging."
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It's been multiple nights on her phone because she obviously got her phone basically on launch day.
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So it's been multiple nights, plugged in every single night into a cable.
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And her Mac is grinding away now using the thing I described before, which is basically launch photos, then quit photos, then look in Activity Monitor,
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make sure you see photo analysis using some percentage of your CPU or whatever.
01:06:27
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It's doing the work, and I have a huge library, so it's going to take a while, but it's the same problem I was saying before.
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I don't want to have to wait for the lowest of low priority processes to do this, especially on her Mac Studio.
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I wanted to say, "Use all the resources of this Mac Studio that is otherwise sitting idle while she's at work to right now find all the faces.
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And maybe give me a progress bar that says how far along are you?
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It's going to take a day, 24 hours, 15 hours, 2 hours."
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But instead it's like, "I will only do it under special circumstances when I feel just right.
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And even then I'm going to do it with the lowest possible priority."
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I mean, how many nights does her phone need to be plugged in?
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Is it aborting in the middle because it doesn't finish and it's not making any progress?
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This is a feature I want to use, and it's almost like, "Hey, if you have 10 photos on your phone, yeah, when you upgrade to iOS 17 you'll get these new features.
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But if you have hundreds of thousands of photos, you'll get these new features at some point in the future.
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Can't tell you when, no indication that it's doing any work.
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Just trust us, it probably is, but it's the lowest possible priority."