00:00:00 ◼ ► Wow, we're gonna get to bed tonight before 10 o'clock. I am very happy about this because Daddy didn't get a nap today. Oh, poor you.
00:00:06 ◼ ► I usually try on ATP days. I usually try to get a little snooze in and I do not have the chance.
00:00:12 ◼ ► This would be a lesson to me because I did cut off some follow-up and like we don't have time.
00:00:18 ◼ ► This is not the lesson you should take from this. The last thing this episode needs is more follow-up. Yep.
00:00:32 ◼ ► YouTube has a thing where they'll read your podcast RSS feed and make little quote-unquote videos out of each podcast episode.
00:00:38 ◼ ► There's nothing in the video except for the logo of the show. There is no actual video component,
00:00:43 ◼ ► but at least the audio is there and we did that because it's, you know, it doesn't require anything of us.
00:00:48 ◼ ► It's just an RSS feed like any other podcast and YouTube, you know, consumes it and does this.
00:00:52 ◼ ► It's like great because we know some people like to use, for whatever reason, they like to use YouTube to listen to audio.
00:01:11 ◼ ► So basically our show notes that have all our links YouTube will import that. Our show notes are in HTML.
00:01:40 ◼ ► So it does that with the links which also lengthens it a little bit, but then it put tons of blank space in there.
00:01:44 ◼ ► So I wrote an automation to get rid of all the blank space. Then the second problem was
00:01:55 ◼ ► to get rid of all the blank spaces, sometimes they were too long and YouTube would truncate them for us helpfully by just cutting them off.
00:02:06 ◼ ► I forget what the absurd number is, like how many gigs of YouTube videos are uploaded per second.
00:02:11 ◼ ► It's some ridiculous number, but the descriptions are limited to 5,000 characters because they don't want to waste space.
00:02:27 ◼ ► and so I was fighting with that with my automation and then someone suggested that wouldn't be great if YouTube when they ingested the RSS feed
00:02:34 ◼ ► would also understand our chapters because we put chapters in the podcast because YouTube now supports chapters and wouldn't be great if they could just
00:02:46 ◼ ► to make me eventually decide, you know what, I'm just gonna put a link to the show notes.
00:02:59 ◼ ► then you can just get to the show notes that way and they'll be correctly formatted and you'll see all them and they'll never be truncated.
00:03:03 ◼ ► Well, then the chapter stuff turned out to be super easy because I was already had a script that was modifying the description.
00:03:09 ◼ ► Apparently the way chapters work on YouTube is you just put some text in the description that looks like a chapter list.
00:03:20 ◼ ► Oh, the time you like put timestamps as text. Yeah. Yep. That's it. That's literally yeah overcast also parses that. That's their system
00:03:29 ◼ ► So I'll just replace all the show notes with show notes colon link to show notes and then chapter chapter chapter chapter.
00:03:35 ◼ ► So for people who are listening on YouTube now you get access to chapters too. Here's one caveat though. To do all this
00:03:41 ◼ ► I had to use the YouTube API which is like, you know part of the Google some Google developer platform.
00:03:46 ◼ ► So I have to like get a Google developer account and say I want to use the YouTube data API v3 and
00:03:52 ◼ ► Deal with off and do all sorts of crap like that and then I'm writing my script and I'm debugging it
00:03:57 ◼ ► I'm trying to get it to work right and every time I did this I've been doing this for like four days now
00:04:05 ◼ ► Like there's a number of requests per day that you're allowed to use and the first time I blew through it
00:04:10 ◼ ► I was like, I didn't know there was a quota. Well, I guess there's a quota. I'll just be more careful tomorrow, right?
00:04:15 ◼ ► But every single day I've worked on this I've blown through my quota within like less than an hour
00:04:19 ◼ ► You can I was like, I'll just pay the money here here Google. Here's ten bucks. Give me more API requests
00:04:28 ◼ ► I'm not gonna need a lot of requests, right? But apparently they won't take your money. So you have to request more more
00:04:33 ◼ ► API access and there's this form that you thought it's like tell me about your application. What are you using it for?
00:04:54 ◼ ► It's I just can you just give me more requests? And anyway, they came back to me today and said
00:05:00 ◼ ► Tell can you send us a source code to the script that you use to upload your videos what for the umpteenth time?
00:05:07 ◼ ► I don't upload my videos as I said at length last time I wrote to you and filled out your giant form
00:05:13 ◼ ► It's your feature. That's reading my I don't upload the videos. They're already there. I'm just want to change the descriptions
00:05:24 ◼ ► Are you just doing something dumb on the first day? I was like, oh I must have just you know
00:05:27 ◼ ► Had some loop to loop too many times and burnt, you know, when you're just writing code
00:05:33 ◼ ► But now I've realized that I have no idea how the things I'm calling relate to their API
00:05:39 ◼ ► Queries or whatever because as far as I'm aware and I've stepped through it in the debugger
00:05:54 ◼ ► 500 and something videos, right but that's five calls to the Google API function. I'm doing this in node, right?
00:06:24 ◼ ► But somehow I blow through the my daily quota of 10,000 requests within an hour. I'm like, there's no way I
00:06:32 ◼ ► Made 10,000 function calls and now I'm thinking like is there some some internal retry logic that I don't understand or anyway
00:06:41 ◼ ► But of course I can only work on it for a few hours a day before I blow through my quota
00:06:46 ◼ ► All right, see if I can like manage not to blow through all those but I did manage today to update all the descriptions
00:06:52 ◼ ► So they're all up there on the off chapters. Please do enjoy Wow. We appreciate your service salute emoji
00:07:24 ◼ ► But truly I do appreciate your service because this is a pain in the tuckus that I am pretty freaking confident
00:07:33 ◼ ► You should be using that used to be anyway tough. No, I would never even attempted this right exactly. So again, we appreciate you John
00:07:40 ◼ ► All right. We appreciate you even though apparently you don't know what the back of a Mac looks like. Tell me about this, please
00:07:48 ◼ ► I had said that the the DB 50 connector was discuss you that was on the back of the Mac
00:07:52 ◼ ► And that's not the case. It was DB 25 which of course looks exactly like DB 50 but a little bit narrower
00:07:56 ◼ ► And when things aren't really to scale and a bunch of little thumbnails, it's hard to tell I apologize for this mistake
00:08:06 ◼ ► What can I tell you we regret the error the offending party has been sacked John if you haven't heard this episode and don't know
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00:08:51 ◼ ► Relative that is a bit older and less tech savvy or maybe just someone who in general who's less tech savvy and John you said something
00:08:58 ◼ ► That I would have called you on had I realized that you were wrong, but I thought you were exactly right
00:09:02 ◼ ► It turns out we were both wrong because as it turns out iOS does have screen sharing. Can you tell me about this, please?
00:09:09 ◼ ► Yeah, some people saying this was rolled out in iOS 15, although I think it might be older than that
00:09:20 ◼ ► They can share their screen with you so you can see it which don't get me wrong is very helpful
00:09:24 ◼ ► But you can't control it. I didn't think there was any way to control it. But then someone named Jenga said
00:09:29 ◼ ► There's no remote control unless you're on the same Wi-Fi network with the same Apple ID and switch control is enabled
00:09:37 ◼ ► Those things are probably not gonna be the case if you're trying to help a relative because if you're on the same Wi-Fi network
00:09:41 ◼ ► Let's walk over and help them with their thing right and the same Apple ID. They're probably not using your Apple ID
00:09:45 ◼ ► So it's interesting to know that that is possible to remote control it under this narrow circumstance
00:09:49 ◼ ► But with regular screen sharing all you can do is see their screen and then just try to talk them through it
00:10:03 ◼ ► They just want you to fix their computer and that that is made so much easier by just okay
00:10:08 ◼ ► You know hit the accept button and now I've got control of your computer and I'll fix it for you and you're done
00:10:26 ◼ ► Obviously we've talked about this topic tons and tons of times in the past and very often when we talk about it
00:10:36 ◼ ► I know it sounds like we do but we don't actually say all the same things that we said last time and then people write
00:10:40 ◼ ► In to tell us about them and in this case, we got a lot of people coming back to say, you know
00:10:45 ◼ ► The the fee that Apple charges for its in-app purchases, but it's 30% or 27% or whatever. That's not for payment processing
00:10:52 ◼ ► So, I don't know why you were talking about stripe and how much they charge and that they would make a replacement
00:10:59 ◼ ► They're charging for you for access to their intellectual property, you know hosting and distribution marketing
00:11:05 ◼ ► Whatever whatever thing people thought like they were we were explained to us and then presumably we would hear them and say oh
00:11:17 ◼ ► Like what we were saying a stripe would do all the same things Apple does in terms of API's and so on and so forth
00:11:21 ◼ ► Right, but here's the thing and here's this is the reason I keep mentioning and linking my stupid blog post about this
00:11:29 ◼ ► Understand what I'm saying, or maybe they just don't read it which you know fair enough
00:11:36 ◼ ► What Apple thinks the 30% is for or what you think the 30% is for or whether 30% is actual?
00:11:43 ◼ ► Actually for whether it's for payment processing those for access to intellectual property or it's this that the other thing
00:11:49 ◼ ► The only thing that matters is how do people feel about paying the 30% the people who have to pay the 30%?
00:11:56 ◼ ► did they feel like that's fair price or did they feel terrible about it and and they resent it and
00:12:12 ◼ ► Intellectual property and maybe you think you can convince them and then they will feel okay with it
00:12:21 ◼ ► Here's what Apple's 30% really is for have thus far not proven convincing to the developers who resent
00:12:39 ◼ ► Like you see much more from people who are trying to explain on Apple's behalf what they think the 30% is quote unquote for
00:12:46 ◼ ► But how much do you see Apple making an effort to explain when they're not on the witness stand in a court case?
00:12:52 ◼ ► Why it is that they think they should get 30% and that I think might contribute to the dissatisfaction
00:12:58 ◼ ► Like that's what it boils down to do you think any answer they would actually give would actually
00:13:09 ◼ ► Would be satisfied by any explanation Apple could possibly give if Apple attempting to explain it at least there would there would be some kind
00:13:34 ◼ ► But I would say to Apple have you made any effort whatsoever to try to figure out the origins of the status action
00:13:41 ◼ ► Dissatisfaction and talk about it. Not that you're gonna be able to talk them into it or whatever
00:13:50 ◼ ► How about we just say nothing and continue to insist on 30% and that of course leads to more resentment and this doesn't
00:13:55 ◼ ► I know this doesn't seem fair. It doesn't seem like well, that's not you're not being fair about why do they not like it?
00:14:00 ◼ ► But that's what I tried to write about in that blog post like at this point with this going on for so many years for so
00:14:10 ◼ ► There is resentment about the amount of money that Apple asks for. Is it fair? Is it unfair?
00:14:16 ◼ ► Should people not feel that way should people feel that way the fact is they do and so far nothing
00:14:26 ◼ ► Like not right to certain people but it is what it is. That's what the art of the possible post is about
00:14:32 ◼ ► It's like you may not think it's fair Apple. You may think you're justified but there is resentment there
00:14:37 ◼ ► It is an unhealthy relationship that is not getting better. So something has to change if you want
00:14:44 ◼ ► Resentment to go away and that's what I would say to all the people who say you don't understand
00:14:53 ◼ ► It only matters if people are okay with it and people are less okay with it then and then Apple wants them to be and
00:15:00 ◼ ► It fosters a relationship where there's this sort of distrust and resentment between the two parties and that has ramifications
00:15:23 ◼ ► To negotiate when they are not in a position of power, which is basically any negotiation
00:15:28 ◼ ► That's like because you know Apple what they know how to do is dictate and they know how to be fond all over
00:15:34 ◼ ► But when people aren't busting down the doors to get into their app stores and to you know participate in their new platforms
00:15:44 ◼ ► They don't really do a lot of outreach or or you know trying to build those relationships
00:15:49 ◼ ► All they do is manage when people come to them they and and even that it's it's really more of a of a dictation scenario
00:16:03 ◼ ► But you're right that like the thing I was talking about like they don't spend any time
00:16:07 ◼ ► Trying to convince people that they should feel better about the deal. They're getting that's what they don't do. I'm convinced
00:16:12 ◼ ► They really do not know how to negotiate or build those relationships because to a large degree
00:16:19 ◼ ► They never really had to so much of of Apple in the last, you know, 15 years or whatever
00:16:27 ◼ ► They have been in the position of power in the areas that they would need this the skill potentially
00:16:32 ◼ ► And so they would they really haven't had to use the use any kind of negotiation or relationship building, you know developer outreach
00:16:38 ◼ ► You know, even developer relations is is fairly minimal in its interaction with most developers
00:16:44 ◼ ► So Apple doesn't know how they just think everyone just comes to them all the time and and they seem
00:16:59 ◼ ► With some people in the community or with certain developers or whatever like I don't think they know what to do
00:17:08 ◼ ► They've never really had to in most ways and if you look at the ways that they are not in power
00:17:18 ◼ ► The the massive reach that the iPhone has or whatever else like if you look at you know, certainly, you know content deals
00:17:22 ◼ ► In many of those other areas. They actually don't do very well. They don't succeed very much
00:17:32 ◼ ► The 30% thing like they are just so accustomed to being able to dictate whatever they want for the iPhone and have people
00:17:39 ◼ ► You know grumble and bend over backwards to accommodate them because the iPhone is such a big market
00:17:47 ◼ ► No wonder so many developers especially especially the big companies. No wonder they're like, why should I work with you?
00:17:56 ◼ ► So why should I give you more power when I'm kind of tired of what you've done with your power
00:18:08 ◼ ► We'll make the market big enough that you'll have to pay attention to us and that's that is an important strategy and a good idea
00:18:16 ◼ ► As much help from third-party developers as you could have you had a better relationship. That's also not negotiation
00:18:22 ◼ ► That's literally just dictating to the market, but it is it is a form of saying a form of saying
00:18:30 ◼ ► And one way to make it more attractive is that well we Apple it's our job to make a product that people want to buy
00:18:36 ◼ ► We'll do that and that will make the platform more attractive to you. It's not taking away the bad
00:18:46 ◼ ► We also the last episode we were talking about the whole you want to use a link out to a third-party
00:18:50 ◼ ► Payment thing you can do that, but you still have to pay us pretty much the same amount. You always paid us
00:18:56 ◼ ► Some I saw some discussion online of people saying well given all of this given that it's just like the Dutch dating app thing or
00:19:05 ◼ ► Choose to do use a third-party payment processor because it just seems like more work and you pay exactly the same amount
00:19:12 ◼ ► Even if they're complying with the letter of law, which epic says they're not but we'll see how that goes in court
00:19:18 ◼ ► How you know who would choose to do this it's like they've given an option and they'll have zero
00:19:22 ◼ ► People who want to do it and as we've discussed many many times in the past, but didn't mention on last episode
00:19:30 ◼ ► The one remaining important motivating factor is when you send somebody through a third-party behavior processor or whatever have them pay on your website
00:19:38 ◼ ► Unlike with the App Store you now quote-unquote own that customer, you know who they are
00:19:46 ◼ ► When when someone does something through in-app purchase Apple owns the customer Apple knows who they are
00:19:51 ◼ ► You don't know you just get the money that you know the 70% or whatever of the money they gave you
00:19:58 ◼ ► That if you have the type of business where quote-unquote owning the customer in that way is valuable
00:20:04 ◼ ► You may be willing to pay exactly the same amount as you paid before do a lot more work
00:20:09 ◼ ► subject yourself to audits from Apple also now you can own the customer and what kind of
00:20:16 ◼ ► Business might it might it be really important that they own the customer probably businesses that are gonna make some money on the side selling information
00:20:30 ◼ ► Even though they're paying Apple is like the same amount is just to get ownership of the customer
00:20:44 ◼ ► Handle this forthcoming EU law about sideloading is that they're gonna be extremely jet. Oh, I'm sorry breaking news
00:20:54 ◼ ► according to the Wall Street Journal which writes Apple is planning to add new fees and
00:20:58 ◼ ► Restrictions when it begins allowing people to download apps outside of the iPhones closed ecosystem
00:21:02 ◼ ► Apple's approach to the EU law will help ensure the company maintains close oversight of apps downloaded outside the App Store a process known as
00:21:10 ◼ ► Sideloading the company will give itself the ability to review each app downloaded outside of its App Store
00:21:17 ◼ ► Of course, they are that offer downloads outside of the App Store said people familiar with the company's plans
00:21:48 ◼ ► They need to do and they will make it as absolutely painful as possible. So with the EU DMA and and you know forcing
00:22:18 ◼ ► For this particular case, like I feel very differently as we talked about last week about you know
00:22:30 ◼ ► Really don't think this is a great idea for iOS. I am worried about what it could do, especially with you know
00:22:36 ◼ ► Imagine we don't have to imagine it's been in the news a Facebook App Store or excuse me a meta App Store
00:22:42 ◼ ► There are so many ways that can go badly for users and developers. I really don't want that to be the case on iOS
00:22:48 ◼ ► So I'm not surprised Apple is gonna be you know, probably very painful on this and in this particular case
00:23:04 ◼ ► Download something off someone's website and that'd be it and it'd be super easy and you can totally bypass
00:23:08 ◼ ► the app, you know the App Store review process or you know code signing with Apple or rules or whatever or and especially bypass
00:23:18 ◼ ► I think that's only going to happen through a lot of painful lawsuits and legislation again down the road
00:23:37 ◼ ► Cap regulatory capture where the regulated company is really running the show here because it's just a bunch of rich companies and people who are
00:23:45 ◼ ► Arranging for them. We're gonna pass this law which looks good to our people but really behind the scenes Apple
00:23:50 ◼ ► You can just do whatever you want. You're still gonna get all your money. You're still gonna have all your control
00:24:00 ◼ ► Competition for apps on the iPhone and just did such a bad job of it that Apple's approach as described in this rumor
00:24:06 ◼ ► complies with the letter of the law because if Apple's still controlling everything about it and still getting the same amount of money
00:24:16 ◼ ► Like how you haven't made the market and like what was your what were you trying to do EU is presumably trying to increase?
00:24:22 ◼ ► Competition right people can't put their apps on the iPhone unless Apple says they can so let's fix that by allowing Apple to decide what?
00:24:31 ◼ ► It's fine. It hard to believe they would have done such a terrible job that all this would be allowed
00:24:39 ◼ ► Anyway, or maybe this rumor is not true or maybe this is what Apple wants to do, but EU will say no that doesn't fly
00:24:45 ◼ ► We'll see how it shakes out, but it is baffling to me, but I will say one thing just like I said before like
00:24:51 ◼ ► Why would anybody do this with that with the third-party payments the answer was to own a customer?
00:24:58 ◼ ► And this approach to satisfying it would provide that didn't exist before and that is and again
00:25:07 ◼ ► We don't know the assumption being that even though Apple gets all its money and gets to like
00:25:18 ◼ ► If you want to put an app on your own App Store on the thing and Apple doesn't want that app to be distributed
00:25:24 ◼ ► So like if you want to put up a Nintendo emulator or some other app that Apple refuses to put in there
00:25:32 ◼ ► What this would allow is yes, Apple gets the same amount of money. Yes, Apple still does code signing
00:25:45 ◼ ► For example, if they can stop that then this is totally pointless and I don't know why they did it all but that is the one
00:25:57 ◼ ► Now in theory you can get it on there through one of these third-party app stores because Apple
00:26:10 ◼ ► Apparently their workaround for the massimo related import ban on the Apple watch is software
00:26:16 ◼ ► So over at Daring Fireball John Gruber writes Apple refuses to say so but it seems clear that this is a software change
00:26:22 ◼ ► These new watch units still have the blood-oxygen sensor, but the sensor is disabled by software
00:26:27 ◼ ► This workaround definitely does not apply to the already sold watches even after those watches upgrade to future versions of watch OS
00:26:36 ◼ ► Apple's banned from importing watches that violate massimo's patents units that have already been sold aren't affected by an import ban
00:26:44 ◼ ► This seems like pretty solid info even though if it's not officially confirmed by Apple
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00:29:06 ◼ ► And then we have some information from some I'm going to call them optometrists, maybe they're ophthalmologists, I always get them backwards
00:29:24 ◼ ► I'm an optometrist there we go who has been listening to you since today's hypercritical and build and analyze
00:29:29 ◼ ► Here's some information about the math of focal distances if you're using metric measurements the additional close power is just the reciprocal of the focal
00:29:43 ◼ ► And you'll need one over 1.3 or about 0.7 diopters of additional power or add power over your normal distance corrections
00:29:53 ◼ ► You'll need about a negative 5.25 D to see effort free at 1.3 meters if you wear a plus 2d to see far
00:30:04 ◼ ► And if your glasses prescription includes a stigmatism this adjustment will only expect if effect the sphere power of course
00:30:11 ◼ ► This is assuming you want the lenses to do all the focusing work for you most people under 40
00:30:15 ◼ ► Who want for the three of us can all can do all the focusing they need to see things up close
00:30:19 ◼ ► And I'd even say many people under 50 whoa could focus up to 1.3 meters without additional add power
00:30:29 ◼ ► I'd be curious to learn how the folks at Apple will approach this will they just use the distance prescription will they automatically adjust it
00:30:34 ◼ ► By adding 0.75 will it will it be age dependent for example under 40 years old no adjustment 40 45 year old plus 0.25
00:30:41 ◼ ► Etc I have a hard time believing that they'd want people to get specific glasses prescriptions that are adjusted to focus at 1.3 meters though
00:30:47 ◼ ► The easiest thing to do would would be to just extrapolate from the distance prescription
00:30:52 ◼ ► Dealing with people's reading prescriptions computer prescriptions etc would just introduce a lot of confusion into the process
00:30:57 ◼ ► Yeah, this this brings up one point that I saw all people asking questions about they're like
00:31:01 ◼ ► Why would it be a focal distance of 1.3 meter? No one's gonna have glasses that are calibrated to 1.3 meters
00:31:06 ◼ ► They're gonna have their distance glasses and their reading glasses for like reading distances with the add power that we talked about then I was
00:31:16 ◼ ► The the important point that's put out brought up by Todd here is when you adjust prescriptions like if you have
00:31:26 ◼ ► You still have the ability to use the muscles in your eye to squish your eye lens into a different shape to change your
00:31:47 ◼ ► Accommodation right like you could get that you could say give me a prescription and lets me see 20 20 at 1.3 meters
00:31:56 ◼ ► But most people and you know have some ability to change their focal distance by using their eye muscles
00:32:18 ◼ ► The amount that you can squish gets worse because I guess your lens gets harder or whatever
00:32:30 ◼ ► Change their focal distance as much as they could when they were young and healthy and vibrant. Yes, but anyway, hey
00:32:40 ◼ ► If it's near the edge of what you can accommodate like you really got to use your eye muscles to really squish your hard little
00:32:52 ◼ ► But don't think that you have to get a prescription is exactly 1.3 meters when I was a younger person
00:32:56 ◼ ► I just had one pair of glasses and I could see every distance with them and I didn't have any add power on my prescription
00:33:04 ◼ ► I would say here's my prescription I can see right in front of my face and all the way down the road and that just changes
00:33:09 ◼ ► When you get older, right? So that's the important thing to remember your eyes do focus themselves. They have the ability to do that
00:33:15 ◼ ► Most people's eyes anyway, I think if you get like cataract surgery and they put like solid lenses in there
00:33:22 ◼ ► so don't think you need some special prescription and I'm also curious about what Apple's doing because I
00:33:27 ◼ ► Would imagine they're just using your distance prescription because for most people with your distance prescription
00:33:44 ◼ ► Don't think you have you don't have to buy glasses for every focal distance, right? Your eyes will do some work themselves
00:33:53 ◼ ► Jay khan k rights optometrist here. You mentioned the focal distance of the Apple vision Pro. Excuse me of Apple vision Pro
00:33:59 ◼ ► Hi, I'm Casey being 1.3 meters add powers are written as the inverse of a meter or 1 over 1.3
00:34:06 ◼ ► So people looking for a typical single vision correction at 1.3 meters would would be their distance prescription plus 0.75
00:34:14 ◼ ► We typically test add powers at 40 centimeters making 1 over 0.4 or plus 2.5 a common reader prescription
00:34:22 ◼ ► However, this all assumes the patient has no accommodation or eyes focusing power that they are adding younger
00:34:35 ◼ ► Still can accommodate or focus some so the bifocal strength is less. I think that John this is what you were talking about
00:34:41 ◼ ► Interestingly the Apple website instructs people to pick the reading insert that matches their prescription
00:34:46 ◼ ► So I'm sure that if the lenses are compensating for the difference in the Apple vision Pro
00:34:54 ◼ ► I'm really curious to hear more about the vision. Sorry the about Apple vision Pro insert process is so awkward
00:35:00 ◼ ► Why do they make us do this as well as feedback on the visual experience? Also, it's worth noting. I didn't realize this until
00:35:09 ◼ ► I there are two different kinds of inserts and I think we're gonna talk more about this later
00:35:14 ◼ ► But there's reader inserts and that's apples words where you just I guess you kind of just tell them what kind of a script you want
00:35:29 ◼ ► We're right and then there's the what we have already been talking about the like full-on scripted or prescription
00:35:37 ◼ ► What I think Todd's are well was talking about and it sounds like jcon K is more talking about the reader inserts
00:35:53 ◼ ► I did notice by the way that the URL for the vision Pro is not Apple comm vision Pro but rather
00:36:00 ◼ ► Apple comm slash Apple - vision - Pro because of course, but nevertheless pre-orders happened
00:36:07 ◼ ► We'll talk about what we did or did not order in a minute and whether or not we caved or you're kept up to our
00:36:12 ◼ ► Theories from last week, but let's go about let's go through what was available to order
00:36:18 ◼ ► Now there were three storage tiers. The default was 256 gigs which came in at three thousand four hundred ninety nine dollars then
00:36:25 ◼ ► 512 gigs so doubling that is an additional two hundred dollars to basically 37 hundred bucks and a terabyte is
00:36:35 ◼ ► So a total of thirty nine hundred dollars, which is a lot of money then Apple care plus is
00:36:46 ◼ ► And then there's a litany of accessories so you can order so gentlemen, please jump in and interrupt me when you're ready
00:36:51 ◼ ► We start with an extra battery. That is $200. There's a travel case a bespoke travel case, which is also
00:36:59 ◼ ► 200 flippin dollars. It's like optioning a Porsche. Everything is at least $200. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's so true
00:37:06 ◼ ► It's so true. Yeah, the travel case in particular like woo. That's that's a lot of money for that made that of $1 bills
00:37:12 ◼ ► And unknowingly I knew that I think was spigot-speaking whatever they're called came out with a travel case
00:37:31 ◼ ► Like I mean so keep in mind also like, you know stuff that's not proprietary to the vision Pro like a case
00:37:57 ◼ ► A million thirty dollar versions on Amazon of things like the travel case and stuff like that
00:38:10 ◼ ► Which is basically a plastic bracket for the battery. That's $50 for your $200 battery. Yes
00:38:37 ◼ ► And you can sell even like even in the vision Pro travel case for $200 to hold the battery
00:38:42 ◼ ► They have to like strap it in because they designed this blob of the battery that has zero way to attach anything to it
00:38:50 ◼ ► So you like so the only ways to attach it to things or to attach things to it are incredibly
00:38:55 ◼ ► Inelegant wraparound or you know straps or plastic kind of things like they couldn't have just put like a mounting hole or a slot
00:39:03 ◼ ► Oh, it's just like the air tag. It's like you make a robotic core you add what you want to it
00:39:08 ◼ ► But we're not gonna tell you need a clip. What if you just want a slippery little stone?
00:39:11 ◼ ► You can't make it smaller, but you can always make it bigger buy this $50 case. All right
00:39:23 ◼ ► We have a piece of cloth the case and we have a cushion II thing. All of these things are
00:39:42 ◼ ► Yeah, the cushion is what touches your face. Oh, if you're thinking by the way, Oh light seal
00:39:46 ◼ ► That's the thing that goes in your face. No, it's an extra $30 to get a complete thing that goes in your face
00:39:51 ◼ ► No, no, it says it says it includes the cushions in two sizes. All right, all right replacement cushions are 30 bucks
00:39:57 ◼ ► First if for instance you need to change the size of the light seal like if you're if you're adding another person to it or giving
00:40:08 ◼ ► It's bananas and it's just like I mean, what is this made of it's like, you know, some probably some kind of like, you know
00:40:17 ◼ ► Rigid, you know plastic frame with cloth wrapped around it. It's 80% recycled material. I mean
00:40:24 ◼ ► For what it's worth I do I don't really begrudge Apple for this being not cheap, but this is quite expensive
00:40:32 ◼ ► But anyway, so the light seal which by the way a friend of the show Quinn Nelson pointed out to me somebody m1
00:40:50 ◼ ► It says what size is available. They're gonna make you measure your face with their scanner thing
00:40:58 ◼ ► What it gives you is like a number and a letter like, you know, we'll talk about it with the ordering process later
00:41:06 ◼ ► They'll do the same thing scan your face with the face ID scanner and then it comes up with the size and obviously if you're at
00:41:11 ◼ ► The store you could probably try it on if you're doing a tryout thing and decide it doesn't feel right or whatever
00:41:17 ◼ ► Indeed then the light so cushion is discussed is $29 30 bucks sizes and and plus W and W plus I guess
00:41:24 ◼ ► Normal and why narrow and narrow and wide not normal. Let's not be normative. It's narrow and wide then we have these solo knit band
00:41:35 ◼ ► It's the one that the one that looks like it's the one Apple wanted to me. Yeah, it's the one that looks cool
00:41:45 ◼ ► so that's a hundred bucks which honestly that seems more in line with what I would expect because that
00:42:06 ◼ ► Then there's the dual loop band now this one to your point John does look like they threw it together at the last minute
00:42:27 ◼ ► $150 for a pair and just to be clear when you buy the vision Pro you get a battery you get a light seal with a
00:42:33 ◼ ► Cushion you get the solo band and the dual loop band. You don't get the optical inserts of any kind
00:42:39 ◼ ► So it's not like you have to add all these numbers that you put up together you pick your storage size
00:42:42 ◼ ► Which who knows how anybody knows what storage size to pick because we don't really know what we're gonna be storing on it
00:42:47 ◼ ► And then if you want a travel case you can add that on and if you if you need optical inserts
00:42:59 ◼ ► You don't have to pick one of them. Yes at these prices. It comes with $600 of accessories in the box
00:43:03 ◼ ► Yeah, well can't afford not to buy one. Oh my gosh. You're not kidding. Are you holy smokes? No. I'm not oh
00:43:13 ◼ ► You I didn't get any glasses. I didn't get any extra storage. Do you not need glasses with it?
00:43:20 ◼ ► So, you know if we're correct that we're roughly doing like a you know, 1.3 meter focus distance here
00:43:26 ◼ ► I don't need the only glasses. I need a reading glasses for up-close stuff and my my minimum focus distance is
00:43:43 ◼ ► Well, you heard it here first Marco bought the base model of something. I know I am shocked on purpose for himself
00:44:08 ◼ ► There will probably be another model out that will probably want to upgrade to say because I think this is again
00:44:13 ◼ ► I think it's gonna be a fairly slow build up in like the app ecosystem and stuff like that
00:44:21 ◼ ► Also, I'm pretty careful with my stuff most of the time so I don't see myself breaking it
00:44:49 ◼ ► You know, it's like I didn't want to like super option up this one and then have all these resources
00:44:59 ◼ ► That's even better in two years to have invested so much in this one for stuff. I never used
00:45:03 ◼ ► Oh, I totally I don't think you should be like ashamed or kicking yourself or whatever about getting this is out of character
00:45:12 ◼ ► Well, I mean and you know when I buy iPads and stuff, I don't I don't ramp up the stores that much
00:45:16 ◼ ► Yeah, but that's I mean, it's kind of like, you know, you like you said you you know, how you're gonna use an iPad
00:45:24 ◼ ► Nobody knows like is storage gonna be important or is it gonna be like the Apple TV where it is mostly a non-issue
00:45:34 ◼ ► You're like, let me just get the base one like it's cuz like you said mark if it turns out that you're wrong
00:45:39 ◼ ► You're like, oh I shouldn't have got that one. It's constantly being filled up by the time you're annoyed by it
00:45:42 ◼ ► You're just gonna get the next model anyway, so yeah, and I mean and to be fair like I do expect
00:45:48 ◼ ► Media for this is going to be large, you know, if they had a 128 I wouldn't have gotten that one
00:45:56 ◼ ► There's gotta have basically a separate movie for each eye or even you know, what I what I expect to enjoy on this a lot
00:46:02 ◼ ► Is like immersive experiences put me on a mountaintop or whatever that I expect to enjoy a lot
00:46:07 ◼ ► But I mean how many of those am I gonna have on there at once? Like how big can they possibly be? I think
00:46:23 ◼ ► Well, we still have like questions like mmm, but what if you turn on iMessage in the cloud? Oh, well your storage is gone now
00:46:29 ◼ ► That's dumping a problem because I message gives you lots of ways to control how much space takes up your devices
00:46:34 ◼ ► So don't worry. It'll be fine. No, it doesn't it just takes all your space and there's nothing you can do
00:46:39 ◼ ► Okay. All right. So for me, I also ordered the base model. I did not get any accessories
00:46:52 ◼ ► It was repair prices. Yeah, I saw the repair prices which we'll get to but suffice to say
00:46:56 ◼ ► I think I might add Apple care and the part of the reason I think I might add Apple care is
00:46:59 ◼ ► If you'll permit me a slight tangent, I'd like to tell a funny story. So I was at I was at a friend's house
00:47:06 ◼ ► I was a total of four couples inclusive of Erin and myself and you know the associated children
00:47:17 ◼ ► We're all hanging out and they're all just beating me up in a friendly way about you know
00:47:27 ◼ ► But nevertheless, it was clear pretty quickly in the conversation that as much as they're giving me a hard time about it
00:47:36 ◼ ► At least intrigued by this thing and I started to explain. Well, here's the thing though
00:47:47 ◼ ► but it may not be a particularly great experience because your faces may be differently shaped than mine while they are differently shaped than mine and
00:47:57 ◼ ► So then that got into a conversation about what the hell does that mean? What are you talking about? Blah blah blah
00:48:06 ◼ ► Why don't you all bust out your iPhones and go and pretend like you're buying a vision Pro?
00:48:15 ◼ ► But the next thing you know our video would even better all of them are looking at their phones doing the and I know this
00:48:28 ◼ ► And so everyone was checking out out pretty much at the same time checking out what size light shield they would need
00:48:55 ◼ ► These body types are wildly different among the people that are allegedly the same size as me
00:49:04 ◼ ► But yeah, just imagine a total of eight adults, you know, all of us pretty much all of us in our early 40s
00:49:11 ◼ ► Thing all at once trying to size ourselves. Maybe it was one of those experiences you had to be there
00:49:29 ◼ ► Handing, you know handing the vision Pro from one person to the other and it dropping on some tile or something like that and holy
00:49:45 ◼ ► No, but I did go through the order process to get my size you should just help the people
00:49:54 ◼ ► Just 200 bucks to try Casey's headset, right right and then I would have a collection of them at the end
00:50:01 ◼ ► Oh for the record not that it matters solo knit band small do loop band small light seal 21w
00:50:09 ◼ ► That they were getting different size measurements when they whether or not they said they had prescription lenses
00:50:21 ◼ ► Is that it actually accounts for a little bit of depth for the inserts if you're getting inserts again?
00:50:26 ◼ ► I don't know if that's true. I could be accidentally lying to you, but it does stand to reason that maybe that's true
00:50:43 ◼ ► Definitely, you know, especially since we don't know what like the the return exchange situation will be like
00:50:47 ◼ ► Because of the variability because it's just your phone scanning your face because some people have reported
00:50:55 ◼ ► Depending on what mood it's in and when you scan your face if it's gonna put you on one side or the other
00:50:59 ◼ ► It's like trying jeans. I mean you can know your gene size, but it really helps to try them on first, right?
00:51:04 ◼ ► Yeah, I'm very curious and I think Marco you had told me privately you're doing some in-store pickup somewhere. Is that correct?
00:51:10 ◼ ► Yeah, because I basically figured if for some reason the light seal doesn't fit right or whatever
00:51:16 ◼ ► I figured that's a lot easier and they might even you know, like depending on what the process is for in-store pickup
00:51:32 ◼ ► My delivery schedule for UPS and FedEx seems to be at the end of the day and partially because it just seemed like a smarter
00:51:41 ◼ ► And so by the time I got through the ordering process which we should briefly talk about actually
00:51:46 ◼ ► But I went through the ordering process as quick as I could I was trying to toggle between or I was alternating between my iPad
00:51:52 ◼ ► my iPhone and my Mac and it so happened that the iPhone landed first and that was excellent because that seemed to be the thing that
00:52:07 ◼ ► I was in the office and it was you know, still dark outside or maybe it was an overcast day
00:52:11 ◼ ► I don't recall and and you may be hearing this and say but Casey face ID doesn't need light it just uses infrared
00:52:26 ◼ ► I don't know why it does but I just tell you for a fact that will tell you that your room is too dark and face
00:52:30 ◼ ► I will never tell you that face ID I believe does not use the plain old light camera. It uses the IR spreader entirely
00:52:41 ◼ ► You need to be well it it also it threw me off too because it this one made me do just up down left
00:52:56 ◼ ► Muscles and now you gotta go up down left right? Yep. I screwed up particularly. I think they have you scan it twice
00:53:05 ◼ ► The second time because I was doing the roll just as you were saying Marco and that is an important point John
00:53:10 ◼ ► I appreciate you jumping in there. Yeah, I definitely got yelled at once or twice that the room wasn't bright enough, but nonetheless it was
00:53:16 ◼ ► Really easy for me other than my own issues following directions and doing up down left or not doing up down left
00:53:25 ◼ ► I mean, I didn't get the eight o'clock time slot which a little bit of a bummer, but I'm a big boy
00:53:31 ◼ ► And so yeah, I'm five stars on the ordering process. I thought it was really really straightforward. I heard a lot of people
00:53:41 ◼ ► They would go to you know, pick a pickup slot appointment, whatever and then during the time
00:53:50 ◼ ► Then the pickup slot would run out of like available spots and I guess it was presented as a payment error
00:53:59 ◼ ► Pickup slot had been snatched out from under them and this is huge Apple Energy to show either no error or an incorrect error
00:54:19 ◼ ► that in in plan to get one that wasn't getting one either day one or you know within the first week or something like that and
00:54:28 ◼ ► They ended up ordering one late on launch day if I'm not mistaken and still was able to find a day one delivery
00:54:35 ◼ ► I don't think it was first thing in the morning, but you know still a day one delivery, which is pretty cool
00:54:38 ◼ ► Yeah, we'll get to the rumored sales numbers a little bit, but I hoisted up the repair costs so we can talk about next
00:54:45 ◼ ► So as I was saying, you know as all of my friends are scanning their faces and we look like a bunch of dorks
00:54:52 ◼ ► I will be potentially passing this backward and forward and I think I will probably go on at least a couple of trips with this
00:54:56 ◼ ► Thing and at first I thought there's no way I want to pay $500 for AppleCare and then I saw the repair prices
00:55:05 ◼ ► $800 with AppleCare plus the extraordinarily affordable $300 it only saved it doesn't even save you the entire price
00:55:14 ◼ ► Of course, it doesn't you're paying $500 for this AppleCare plus to save you a few hundred dollars
00:55:22 ◼ ► And then additionally what we assume to be a full replacement due to quote other damage
00:55:34 ◼ ► $2,400 if you do not have AppleCare, but it is comparatively genuinely affordable at $300 if you do. Oh my god
00:55:55 ◼ ► Well, so here's the thing if you crack the cover glass you wouldn't you just leave it cracked who cares if people can see your eyes
00:56:04 ◼ ► I'll pass on the $300 with AppleCare glass replacement so people can see my computerized eyeballs
00:56:15 ◼ ► Well, here's the thing like the two categories will they put a link on the show notes to the webpage?
00:56:19 ◼ ► The only two things you can pick are crack cover glass and other damage and other damages covers everything
00:56:40 ◼ ► Yeah, but after that anyway, man, so I I don't know. I don't know how to gauge the AppleCare on this
00:56:45 ◼ ► I remember when I noticed that the AppleCare had run out on my 2019 Mac Pro which happened several years ago at this point
00:56:56 ◼ ► I mean I guess this is this argues for the doing the $25 a month thing instead so you can just continue it
00:57:02 ◼ ► If you make it for the first two years, you're probably buying a new newer better one potentially
00:57:06 ◼ ► Yeah, because I can't imagine like, you know, if you get really into this two years from now
00:57:10 ◼ ► There's gonna be a better one that you're gonna want and you're gonna want it. Yeah. Yeah David Schaub in the chat makes a good point
00:57:16 ◼ ► They only have one part other than a full hardware replacement. So that's probably why at least for now. It's cover glass or
00:57:25 ◼ ► They don't even replace the cover glass and that it's just total replacement. Yeah. All right the weight
00:57:56 ◼ ► 600 to 650 grams depending on the light seal on the headband, but John you helpfully reminded us of something
00:58:05 ◼ ► So some of these in fact other than the valve index all these headsets have their batteries built in
00:58:13 ◼ ► Whereas that Apple vision Pro weight is just the weight of the Apple vision Pro not including the weight of the battery
00:58:17 ◼ ► And I think that's fair because the point is that Apple didn't put the battery on the headset
00:58:26 ◼ ► And so the weight actually isn't in the headset, but you can see it's it's pretty heavy
00:58:36 ◼ ► So the meta quest 2 & 3 are 500 and 3 515 and the abolition Pro is 600 to 650 and those those quest ones
00:58:47 ◼ ► But it is also probably the the beefiest sort of gaming thing that includes the battery inside it anyway
00:58:52 ◼ ► I don't think it's outrageous. I think the weight is reasonable. I think Apple did a pretty good job keeping it light
00:59:00 ◼ ► As part of the headset, I just wish they had made the dangling battery a little bit bigger
00:59:04 ◼ ► Yeah, it doesn't this doesn't seem that bad. I mean like my my big favorite headphones are 500 grams, so
00:59:10 ◼ ► Goodness it. I mean this seems like pretty normal for like high-end thing you'll have on your head
00:59:19 ◼ ► Yeah, 384 point 8 grams you are pretty darn close. I mean they feel really heavy on your ears for a long time
00:59:29 ◼ ► based on this the vision Pro doesn't excuse me Apple vision Pro doesn't really say you like it is a
00:59:40 ◼ ► Attaching the Zeiss optical inserts to the Apple vision Pro there. I go again to Apple vision Pro
00:59:45 ◼ ► They're not the boss of UKC. You can say it. However you want. They're not gonna come in
00:59:49 ◼ ► I'm trying to make a point. I this is this is my you're not you're making a point by obeying their marketing
00:59:55 ◼ ► No, I'm making a point that it's so ridiculous that they that this is the way they want to pronounce when nobody actually pronounced it
01:00:01 ◼ ► This way except marketing at Apple. It doesn't matter attaching Zeiss optical inserts to Apple vision Pro requires pairing the on 95 Mac
01:00:08 ◼ ► They write it the pair of Zeiss optical inserts comes with a quote personal code quote to pair the lenses to Apple vision Pro
01:00:15 ◼ ► After attaching the optical inserts magnetically to the headset users will have to quote scan the pairing code on the card inside
01:00:20 ◼ ► Zeiss optical inserts box to finalize the pairing process quote the code question appears to be an app clip code that triggers a system action
01:00:27 ◼ ► To pair the Zeiss lenses to the Apple vision Pro that's interesting and kind of cool. So this this brings up a
01:00:35 ◼ ► You may be wondering and I don't know if this is different in other countries. Why can you get readers?
01:00:40 ◼ ► Like we were saying in the drugstore like you don't need a prescription. You just go buy them
01:00:52 ◼ ► qualified optometrist or whatever to be able to even buy these inserts like why all of the
01:01:04 ◼ ► I don't actually know the answer an optometrist will write in maybe in next episode and tell us here's my best guess
01:01:13 ◼ ► That if you have if you put on a pair of readers and you pick the wrong one you pick plus
01:01:23 ◼ ► It doesn't cause as much eye strain like you're not gonna mess up your eyes by doing it
01:01:27 ◼ ► It'll just kind of like things will be blurry and things close up will be bigger than they were or whatever
01:01:30 ◼ ► Whereas the prescription lenses that you need a prescription for like these inserts work for for people who can't just use readers
01:01:43 ◼ ► If not mess with your eyes then at least cause problems with your eyes in terms of like causing eye strain
01:01:49 ◼ ► And potentially I suppose mess with your eyes, and I've seen a couple of stories recently about
01:01:56 ◼ ► Nearsightedness what causes people not to be able to see things far away was it was part of a scare story of like oh kids
01:02:05 ◼ ► Kind of like the the thing that your parents used to tell you if your nose is buried in books you'll end up wearing glasses
01:02:09 ◼ ► Because you're focused on things up close and turns out there is some medically explainable
01:02:22 ◼ ► I think it's really close that your eyes can become misshapen in a way that makes you not able to see things far away
01:02:30 ◼ ► And you know why is it is it just some you know historical regulatory thing doesn't make any sense
01:02:41 ◼ ► Is that why we're not allowed to do that in this country or is it just some weird thing and anyway this pairing process you?
01:02:48 ◼ ► We'll see when people get these I would imagine you don't need to pair the readers for the same reason that you don't need a prescription
01:02:54 ◼ ► To buy the readers, but we'll see how that works out if you do need to pair the readers
01:02:59 ◼ ► You can even get these engraved by the way because it's hard to tell like one insert from one person insert from other they like
01:03:04 ◼ ► Magnetically snap in but I think you get free engraving on them or you can put your name on the insert
01:03:09 ◼ ► So if you have a whole family using the vision Pro and they have different inserts and presumably different $200 face shields
01:03:18 ◼ ► Incredibly low contrast engraving that you won't be able to see without your actual reading glasses, and then you'll know which answer
01:03:43 ◼ ► This these are all people guessing about how many units that have German is usually pretty well sourced
01:03:47 ◼ ► But you know so then Ming Chi Kuo writes Apple sold between 160,000 and 180,000 vision Pro headsets during its first pre-order weekend
01:03:55 ◼ ► According to Apple analyst Ming Chi Kuo. I'm sorry. This is being recounted by Mac rumors
01:03:59 ◼ ► Kuo said that the headset sold out soon after the pre-order process opened with shipping times for all models slipping by five to seven weeks
01:04:05 ◼ ► While the instant sellout and extended shipping times appeared to be positive at first glance Kuo cautioned that shipping dates remain unchanged
01:04:11 ◼ ► 48 hours after pre-orders opened indicating that demand may quickly be tapering off after core enthusiasts place their orders again
01:04:18 ◼ ► I don't I don't really like it's hard for me to square this which I'm not trying to say that they're wrong
01:04:30 ◼ ► Maybe they felt like they're saying for the first weekend first weekend is two days right mmm fair
01:04:34 ◼ ► Yeah, okay, not like on the very first day like I didn't check, but if you were to go to order now
01:04:38 ◼ ► I'm assuming you can't get they won't deliver. Yeah, I didn't check either, but I presume
01:04:43 ◼ ► Rumors like German whoever to tell us is like we don't know how many have been made and are ready to ship to people and
01:04:49 ◼ ► You know I presumably only Apple knows that well, so I haven't confirmed this but Chris 3 in the chat, right?
01:04:55 ◼ ► I just went on and could get one for the 3rd of February in store, but late February if shipped yeah
01:04:59 ◼ ► That's the other factor very often with everything that Apple sells if you try to get it shipped to your house you get one shipping
01:05:07 ◼ ► You get a different one because I guess there's different pools of inventory for a retail store
01:05:11 ◼ ► It's like they always want to have stuff available in retail stores at the expense of people who are ordering it for delivery
01:05:24 ◼ ► Based on both what 95 Mac is found and what we looked at briefly it looks like generally it's between
01:05:36 ◼ ► I did try to look for completed auctions on eBay, and I think I did find one for something like five thousand dollars
01:05:42 ◼ ► So that's the thing yeah, it's some story. I wish I had the link for notes of saying like you know that's
01:05:50 ◼ ► Basically had found a way to automate the process that we all just described of like going through the Apple store app and scanning your
01:06:00 ◼ ► I'm just picturing like mannequin heads or something or whatever so they could order tons of them for resale that that was the store
01:06:08 ◼ ► But I just just imagine you know the the motivation to get a bunch of these on day one so you can resell them kind of
01:06:21 ◼ ► Then a couple of videos that are I genuinely think are worth your time first of all there's the Apple vision Pro guided tour
01:06:28 ◼ ► Which you can find on Apple's website? There's different segments, but they stitch them together into one cohesive movie
01:06:44 ◼ ► Using your Mac within the context of vision OS I wish I had a better shorter description for that
01:06:50 ◼ ► But anyways they show that among many other things the one funny thing about this though
01:06:54 ◼ ► And I'm not the first to point this out is that they have someone who they claim had never used a vision Pro
01:07:00 ◼ ► Which I do take on face value that that's probably true, but the the person the gentleman that's using the vision Pro
01:07:07 ◼ ► They have a persona or they have the eyesight turned on and I'm pretty sure they set it up off camera
01:07:13 ◼ ► Right that exactly so they must have at least done enough setup to get through the orientation process and eyesight scanning process off-camera
01:07:26 ◼ ► Have a hard time believing that those were his first reactions. They're actors. Yeah, tell anybody yeah like still and they were so
01:07:33 ◼ ► The reactions were so well in line with how marketing want to describe things and everything was so
01:07:41 ◼ ► Infusive they're reading from a script don't tell anybody there's there is no way it's a commercial. Yeah
01:07:51 ◼ ► We all we all want to believe that we will be happy and our beautiful clutter free home led through a magical experience of this
01:08:03 ◼ ► The content of it was good. Just like that the conceit that oh, this is allegedly this person's first time ever
01:08:12 ◼ ► I mean the important job the reason I think that it's worth looking at is if you're wondering if you just want to see for
01:08:17 ◼ ► The umpteenth time or you've never seen it before what are all the things you can do with this they go through all them
01:08:21 ◼ ► Here you go. This is what it looks like. You can do this. You can you nap you can look at a movie
01:08:25 ◼ ► You can do they just go through it all very quickly and it's a nice overview. It's a guy tour
01:08:29 ◼ ► I thought I thought it was a well done video if someone if for example of like Casey if you're having dinner over something
01:08:36 ◼ ► I would send them the link to the video and say if you actually want to see what this thing is that we're talking
01:08:42 ◼ ► You know as long as you get the idea that what you're seeing very often is what that person is seeing inside the headset
01:08:48 ◼ ► You'll be fine. Yeah, they also have a like minute and a half long making Apple vision Pro video, which is very much
01:08:55 ◼ ► You know marketing it's almost like, you know, it's the sort of thing that usually accompany Johnny in his white room
01:09:08 ◼ ► It's trying to make you feel better about the price you say well, it is really complicated to build and we have
01:09:12 ◼ ► Although I always wonder with these things like how do you square the beauty of these videos and the machines making it with?
01:09:23 ◼ ► sad looking factories where things are put together with workers being oppressed by you know, like it's just there's
01:09:30 ◼ ► There's the marketing video of the factory and there's what a real factory looks like and how the people who work in that factory feel
01:09:36 ◼ ► About working there and it's I think there's still some distance between those by the way some quick real-time follow-up
01:09:44 ◼ ► And so now we are almost a week from ordering being opened up. I'm able to get all three
01:09:52 ◼ ► capacities at it like not that like any store I want but at a store that's that's you know within a decent drive for
01:10:00 ◼ ► Day two or three delivery like February 4th, February 5th, February 4th, like it's all like, you know, really right there. So
01:10:07 ◼ ► Maybe there's some and and they're all back order, but you know for mail order out to like February 28th
01:10:27 ◼ ► We don't know how many they made if they already made as many as they can make like they made all of them now and they're
01:10:33 ◼ ► Just sitting there waiting then. Yeah, you're not gonna sell through a year's supply in the first week
01:10:37 ◼ ► But if they made, you know 20,000 of them, they still have some left. That's much more concerning but yeah only Apple knows
01:10:43 ◼ ► I also wonder if they favored and I think Marco you were just alluding to this if they favored the retail experience
01:10:50 ◼ ► Like regional caches of vision pros or something like that, which they can easily get to a retail store
01:10:56 ◼ ► But maybe is a little bit harder to get into the shipping ecosystem for whatever reason. I know nothing about logistics
01:11:06 ◼ ► The Apple might be making decisions about what other countries to open up based on how much stuff they have lying around like Canada
01:11:12 ◼ ► Or whatever, you know, so we'll see speaking of other countries. I was a perfect segue. Thank you
01:11:16 ◼ ► John Apple vision Pro App Store Apple music and TV app require US Apple IDs. So this was
01:11:23 ◼ ► Stated on Apple's website in the pre-order section, but Mac rumors has a pretty good summary
01:11:27 ◼ ► For international customers who are thinking of purchasing Apple vision Pro in the United States and using it in their own country
01:11:33 ◼ ► Apple has cautioned that they will be faced with several limitations when attempting to use the device
01:11:42 ◼ ► The Apple vision Pro only supports English us for language and typing and English for Syrian dictation
01:11:49 ◼ ► Number two Apple store requests using the App Store requires an Apple ID with region set to the US number three purchases on Apple music
01:11:58 ◼ ► Number four for customers with vision correction needs nice will only accept vision prescriptions written by US
01:12:05 ◼ ► number five customers may not be able to access certain apps features or content due to licensing or other restrictions in those countries or regions and
01:12:18 ◼ ► This is fascinating. This is particularly fascinating for a lot of our mutual friends. I don't recall where I heard the story
01:12:35 ◼ ► Astonishing and it is worth listening to their stories again. I would look at connected
01:12:39 ◼ ► I probably won't put a link in the show notes because we're not sure where I heard this for sure
01:12:43 ◼ ► But anyways, it is worth investigating this because it is both funny and amazing what they've done in order to make this work
01:12:49 ◼ ► It is kind of crummy for those not in America and I get especially if they're inventory constrained why they would start here
01:12:59 ◼ ► Also, I'd be terrified to change the region on anything happening with my Apple ID because all the horror stories I've heard about it
01:13:09 ◼ ► Which is great because again if you used your own Apple ID and you synced your messages, it would just fill the message
01:13:16 ◼ ► But I'm just bashing on Apple's poor control of storage and the iPhone when it comes to messages
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01:14:56 ◼ ► Let's do some ask ATP I think we've actually slacked on this accidentally for the last couple of weeks
01:15:16 ◼ ► Do you know why the vision pro doesn't have some kind of focal adjustment diopter like a camera viewfinder would use?
01:15:26 ◼ ► Are there specific requirements or constraints that make it not practical for a headset do other headsets use lens inserts or have some kind of?
01:15:32 ◼ ► Built-in adjustment system. I thought a lot of other headsets or at least the meta quest
01:15:41 ◼ ► Do one of you actually have facts to share about this? Well, I mean, I think this ties into everything we just discussed
01:15:53 ◼ ► That make that requires that justifies us having to have a prescription in this country to get them unlike readers, right?
01:16:04 ◼ ► If you're just allowed to do it will you know you really need someone to give you a prescription if that's true
01:16:12 ◼ ► But setting all of that aside the much easier explanation is any kind of adjustability for lens stuff
01:16:23 ◼ ► Maybe not a lot but it is additional space and additional complexity versus snap and inserts and I can imagine the snap and inserts
01:16:29 ◼ ► Can be higher quality because it is just one lens element that doesn't move. That's exactly the right position
01:16:34 ◼ ► That is exactly your prescription and then finally there's more to your prescription than can be adjusted easily now
01:16:45 ◼ ► It's got a million different lenses that go in front of your eyes that can adjust for everything
01:16:50 ◼ ► That's all it's the doctors, you know, it's their device for figuring out what your prescription is
01:16:53 ◼ ► But there's more than just that, you know, the sphere number or whatever you can have a stigmatism
01:16:57 ◼ ► They make you look at the lines tell you which one is thicker like it is possible to do all those things
01:17:06 ◼ ► Well probably require space they don't want to spend on the inside of this device space weight complexity cost all that
01:17:13 ◼ ► that those I think are the main reasons that this doesn't exist and the Apple vision Pro because
01:17:19 ◼ ► It's it makes for a smaller lighter simpler headset not to do that and especially if you wanted to do it
01:17:30 ◼ ► The doctor's office aside from things tumbling in front of my eyes and things looking different
01:17:42 ◼ ► There's all sorts of things that can be wrong with them that are not solved by taking a single lens element and moving it farther
01:17:50 ◼ ► Do you have an email backup regime outside of time machine or local computer backups recently a family member accidentally deleted all of their?
01:17:56 ◼ ► iCloud and email in the Mac mail app not realizing that they had all the folders selected when they hit the delete button
01:18:02 ◼ ► And being a very fastidious email user they immediately emptied the trash folder without noticing
01:18:14 ◼ ► But apparently Apple mail does not always download and store the contents of emails and attachments so many of them are blank and lost
01:18:20 ◼ ► I haven't found an obvious solution for automatically backing up an email account and I wanted to know if this is something you've considered before
01:18:30 ◼ ► It's just I I'm not terribly worried that I will put myself in that position I say as I knock on wood
01:18:36 ◼ ► But I don't I don't have any good answer for this Marco. Do you do anything about this not besides just local file backups?
01:18:52 ◼ ► To be like a buffer so that you're not constantly if every single time you delete anything you immediately empty
01:18:59 ◼ ► It's trash of what you know whether it's in your mail app or the you know trash on your Mac
01:19:08 ◼ ► I think of that every time I delete something from my media volume on my Synology because the Finder says just so you know
01:19:14 ◼ ► I'm gonna delete this immediately and not move it to the trash is that okay, and the only choice you have is yes
01:19:21 ◼ ► Yeah, so I think getting getting out of the habit of trashing everything or emptying the trash constantly like that is that would be
01:19:28 ◼ ► Extremely beneficial for you know to whatever degree you have control over it for you know whatever people you're talking about here
01:19:37 ◼ ► I let it be a temporary buffer for deleted stuff in case I need to go get something out of it
01:19:48 ◼ ► I find it funny that both of both of my children and both in real life and on their computers never empty the trash
01:19:58 ◼ ► There's not much reason to empty it right after you've been deleting. Oh, there's a reason
01:20:15 ◼ ► I wish there was a way in the finder to say don't show the crumpled up paper because it makes people want to empty it
01:20:20 ◼ ► Makes me want to do the trash. Yep. That's fair point John. Do you have any backup strategies for this?
01:20:29 ◼ ► Yeah, so here's the things I do with me all right first strategy, so I use Gmail for everything
01:20:52 ◼ ► They were having it's like oh, but mail didn't have all the the mail locally some of it was still on the server
01:21:08 ◼ ► But of course I don't trust Apple mayor as far as I can throw it so that's just one thing
01:21:20 ◼ ► Google takeout feature that allows you to download data your Google data onto your computer and
01:21:32 ◼ ► Demand whenever you want it, and I do that once a year and that gives me all my I think it's in like mbox format
01:21:45 ◼ ► I'm gonna lose on average six months of mail assuming my Apple mail thing totally doesn't work at all which again
01:21:57 ◼ ► Just let it run in the background and then quit it right because it catches up pretty quickly and then Google takeout
01:22:13 ◼ ► It will give you a single file a single multi gigabyte file to buy how much mail you have it compress us really well
01:22:22 ◼ ► And that's what I suggest and then yeah that put that file into your own personal backup vortex and have it go on time machine
01:22:32 ◼ ► Severin writes do you use I message contact key verification? I just stumbled upon it in settings and I was 17.2.1
01:22:40 ◼ ► In short this is a mechanism by which you can verify that the people you are talking to or the people they claim to be
01:22:59 ◼ ► I don't use this because I don't think anyone's gonna like man in the middle me for state secrets
01:23:06 ◼ ► But I don't know do you guys use this? Let's start with Marco again. No for the same reasons
01:23:14 ◼ ► But I think it's a pretty recent thing. I think it's iOS 17.2 that added it, but I don't
01:23:29 ◼ ► Yeah, but you know for the same reason I don't use that like ultra lockdown protection mode of iOS
01:23:47 ◼ ► Dealing with very sensitive stuff if I was like a whistleblower or a journalist or you know
01:24:02 ◼ ► It seems kind of onerous like it seems like a burden that you would not want to deal with unless it was like super important
01:24:10 ◼ ► We want to make sure you're talking to you think you're talking to I just wanted to see what that burden was
01:24:17 ◼ ► Is it done all through the phone? I was willing to try it, but I haven't found anyone to try it with
01:24:33 ◼ ► I turned it on to my phone and I had my wife update hers and turns it on her phone and I'm trying to get my
01:24:38 ◼ ► Kids to turn it on have you guys turned it on I haven't yet, but I probably should I have it
01:24:42 ◼ ► I'm doing to his phone probably this weekend with it because that's one of those things really because
01:24:54 ◼ ► You know closing all the doors on well, they can still get to your bank account. They just can't take over your Apple ID
01:25:08 ◼ ► Anyway, the reason I did on my wife's own is remember the the family photo library is on her Apple ID now with the great
01:25:18 ◼ ► But technically it's her Apple ID. So having her Apple ID get taken over is really the worst case scenario. Not mine
01:25:24 ◼ ► Although I have all the purchases so we'd lose all their movies, but honestly I'd much rather lose the movies in the photo
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01:26:49 ◼ ► Adam because he is so into the quest three. Yeah, he's so into that. He has requested that I please let him try it
01:27:09 ◼ ► Some games could use like just hand recognition the quest three I based on what he's told me it seemed like that has gotten better
01:27:15 ◼ ► But not every game will use it. So he still uses the controllers because you know, it makes sense
01:27:23 ◼ ► Controllers are generally a better option, you know because because you want the higher precision you want maybe more buttons
01:27:30 ◼ ► You know because most of the gesture recognition of these systems it can do like a handful of gestures
01:27:35 ◼ ► No pun intended, but it's not doing like every single finger individually, you know stuff like that
01:27:40 ◼ ► So and and latency is better with controllers presumably. Yeah, I would assume so, you know when you look at the vision Pro
01:27:45 ◼ ► It's very clear that this is a device that's made for computing first and games maybe second or not at all
01:27:55 ◼ ► The quest is a game console and to be fair to Apple like you can just use like a PlayStation controller with the vision
01:28:01 ◼ ► But like that's their solution essentially. Oh you want to play a game in the vision Pro?
01:28:06 ◼ ► Which is not the same thing as a VR controller which like in that like in the valve games like oh
01:28:10 ◼ ► You have a virtual hand and you're reaching out to grab the ladder or the gun or the bottle like that's not a thing
01:28:19 ◼ ► It's more like oh you can put something in front of you and here hold the PlayStation controller
01:28:22 ◼ ► Now you get low latency fast access to buttons. Yeah. Yeah, so but it seems it seems like you know
01:28:33 ◼ ► And that is a very different set of priorities and a very different set of choices than game consoles
01:28:39 ◼ ► The quest series those are game consoles first that Facebook keeps trying to make computers and they're not very good
01:28:45 ◼ ► They're they're game costs and you know and all this stuff that the vision Pro does it's not games
01:28:50 ◼ ► Adam doesn't care. He might someday but he doesn't now it's not his job. He's 11. He's about games
01:28:56 ◼ ► Like the movie thing or the panorama like imagine that they have like a you're riding on a roller coaster
01:29:01 ◼ ► Immersive experience thing that would be fun to do like I'm thinking about games and the vision Pro all that resolution
01:29:07 ◼ ► That's good for looking at like your documents is not good for games games don't want to push that many pixels
01:29:12 ◼ ► They want high frame rates and you can't get high frame rates in a you know, a headset type thing with a low power
01:29:18 ◼ ► SOC and GPU on there and so not having so many pixels to push is an advantage to those less expensive ones
01:29:25 ◼ ► But yeah, the only thing I can think of where it'd be an advantage is oh you're on a roller coaster
01:29:40 ◼ ► And then he would just go back to his game show him the gerbils demo from quick draw 3d
01:29:48 ◼ ► Mmm, I know what quick quick draw that was like the the toolbox functions in the original Mac that made they made fast window drawing
01:30:02 ◼ ► Yeah, so quick draw 3d was at a certain point and this this is the time when Apple did its quote-unquote
01:30:09 ◼ ► Most serious push into gaming they made libraries for gaming stuff called game sprockets it input sprockets and a bunch of other sprockets like handling
01:30:28 ◼ ► and it was it was you know, the 3d API just like all those other ones I described except for much much worse and
01:30:37 ◼ ► Once they came up with quick draw 3d like it works everywhere. There used to be a desk accessory called the scrapbook
01:30:45 ◼ ► you go to the Apple and you'd pick scrapbook and it was just basically an application with a bunch of
01:30:49 ◼ ► Like a horizontal scroll bar and a bunch of different things and what do you put in the scrapbook anything you wanted?
01:30:54 ◼ ► You could paste in text you could paste in images you could paste in a movie and once quick draw 3d came out
01:31:01 ◼ ► So you'd get a Mac with a 3d and you'd open the scrapbook and there would be a 3d model of a palm tree that you
01:31:07 ◼ ► Could rotate anyway, one of the things they had I believe it was a demo application called gerbils
01:31:20 ◼ ► supposedly furry gerbils riding on a roller coaster in in 3d if you can find a movie of what gerbils look like