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00:00:00 ◼   ► Jon is hacking up a lung over it. Yeah, Jon is very unwell, and I didn't find this out,

00:00:05 ◼   ► or we didn't find this out until, I don't know, two minutes ago? So if this episode

00:00:10 ◼   ► is only 15 minutes long, it's because we're taking pity on our good friend. And if it's

00:00:14 ◼   ► hugely long, then it's like every time I feel unwell, so we'll see what happens. It is September,

00:00:22 ◼   ► which means it's Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. I feel like I didn't pronounce any

00:00:26 ◼   ► of that with all the letters and the words, but here we go. We're doing it live. So I'm

00:00:30 ◼   ► going to vamp while I pull up the official ad read and tell you that, hey, there are

00:00:34 ◼   ► a lot of children that are unwell, and that's not okay. And a lot of them have some flavor

00:00:40 ◼   ► of cancer, and that is also not okay. And so we are part of Relay, and we're also partnering

00:00:46 ◼   ► with Relay. We're partnering with ourselves. I don't know. Just go with it. So we, Relay,

00:00:51 ◼   ► have raised over $3 million over the last five years, starting in 2019. It's bananas.

00:01:00 ◼   ► It's absolutely bananas. And because of that, Relay is going to have their name put on like

00:01:04 ◼   ► this, it's more than a plaque, but put on like this board in the St. Jude campus for

00:01:10 ◼   ► all the corporate and personal donators that have done, just gone above and beyond. And

00:01:14 ◼   ► that's super incredibly cool. And so what we are doing is we're trying to raise money

00:01:19 ◼   ► for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. St. Jude does incredible, phenomenal work,

00:01:24 ◼   ► and they do it in such a way that it affects people all over the world. So St. Jude is

00:01:28 ◼   ► headquartered in Memphis, Tennessee. I will be there in a couple of weeks when Relay does

00:01:32 ◼   ► their 12-hour podcast-a-thon. You can watch me melt into a puddle over the course of those

00:01:37 ◼   ► 12 hours as I do everything I can to raise more money for these six children. But here's

00:01:43 ◼   ► the thing. St. Jude has treated children from all 50 states and around the world. 90% of

00:01:49 ◼   ► the children at risk of developing cancer live in low and middle income countries. That

00:01:53 ◼   ► is unacceptable to St. Jude, and you know what? It's unacceptable to us. So that's why

00:01:57 ◼   ► St. Jude launched St. Jude Global. That way every child with cancer, no matter where they

00:02:03 ◼   ► live, and also other catastrophic diseases, by the way, they have access to quality care

00:02:07 ◼   ► and treatment. So when I was at St. Jude in April for the Play Live Summit, they brought

00:02:13 ◼   ► several different people on stage. Some of them were survivors in St. Jude patients,

00:02:17 ◼   ► some of them were family members. And the number of stories that we saw, but actually

00:02:22 ◼   ► not just on stage, but just in general with the people we met, the number of stories we

00:02:26 ◼   ► saw where it was something along the lines of, "I am in some foreign country. I have

00:02:31 ◼   ► done everything that my country knows how to do with regard to either my cancer, my

00:02:36 ◼   ► child's cancer, or my brother's cancer." And we were at wits end. I mean, we were basically

00:02:41 ◼   ► given a death sentence. And then somebody thought, "You know, let's call St. Jude. Let's

00:02:45 ◼   ► see what happens." And the number of stories that, you know, there's all these different

00:02:50 ◼   ► ways these stories started that somehow or another involved really dire circumstances,

00:02:54 ◼   ► but every single one of them ended with, "We called St. Jude and within hours, within hours,

00:03:01 ◼   ► we had plane tickets to go to Memphis, Tennessee, and they didn't have to pay for it at all

00:03:05 ◼   ► because St. Jude pays for it all." So in order for St. Jude to pay for all these things,

00:03:10 ◼   ► we ask for you to donate whatever you can and actually live on air in just a minute,

00:03:15 ◼   ► we will have my favorite and least favorite moment of the year when I somehow ruin my

00:03:20 ◼   ► donation and it becomes a joke for the next year. So we're going to do that in a minute.

00:03:24 ◼   ► But hey, there's one other reason you might want to donate or one other excuse perhaps

00:03:28 ◼   ► to donate, one other just a justification for donation. And I like to call it the Marco

00:03:33 ◼   ► offset. Marco, can you tell me what the offset is, please?

00:03:35 ◼   ► Yes, starting probably next week. Many of you out there are going to be buying new Apple

00:03:41 ◼   ► products. You might have even bought some other things recently, possibly the new Android

00:03:45 ◼   ► folding things, maybe I saw there was a new remarkable tablet today that looks really

00:03:49 ◼   ► cool, all sorts of fun gadgets launching in this gadget season. And you probably don't

00:03:56 ◼   ► necessarily need to spend money on new gadgets. Maybe you got something broken that needs

00:04:00 ◼   ► to be replaced, but for the most part, we all know that this is like, these are mostly

00:04:04 ◼   ► luxuries that we have because we're very fortunate to be able to afford nice electronics for

00:04:09 ◼   ► many of us listening to this podcast. Now, when you buy your nice electronics that you

00:04:14 ◼   ► don't really maybe need, but you're buying because you want to treat and they're fun

00:04:18 ◼   ► and they're awesome, you tend to purchase other things at the same time, things like

00:04:22 ◼   ► a case or additional storage upgrades or a keyboard or some other kind of accessory for

00:04:29 ◼   ► the thing that you're buying. You even also do things like Apple care, warranty services

00:04:34 ◼   ► or you certainly almost always in most places you have to pay sales tax. So you have all

00:04:39 ◼   ► these kind of add-on fees and upgrades and accessories and taxes to the thing you are

00:04:44 ◼   ► buying. I suggest when thinking about what your minimum donation to St. Jude should be,

00:04:49 ◼   ► add up all those extras that you tack on to your purchase or purchases, including all

00:04:54 ◼   ► the taxes, all the storage upgrades, all the accessories and cases and warranties and all

00:04:59 ◼   ► that stuff, add up all that. That should be your target minimum donation to St. Jude if

00:05:04 ◼   ► you can swing it. And fortunately for us and for most of you out there, many of you out

00:05:08 ◼   ► there are able to swing it and that's great. And this is how you can assuage some of your

00:05:13 ◼   ► guilt about these new tech products that you're buying by giving a nice chunk of money if

00:05:17 ◼   ► you can to St. Jude.

00:05:19 ◼   ► Yep. So here's the thing. When we rally for a common cause, we become more than a community.

00:05:23 ◼   ► We become beacons of hope for all. Yes, that is a little bit silly, but it's true. It's

00:05:29 ◼   ► not really true. So please join Relay and ATP and donate to St. Jude this September for

00:05:34 ◼   ► Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. You can go to stjude.org/ATP to just go straight to

00:05:39 ◼   ► the donation area, which is what we're about to do, the three of us. Or if you want more

00:05:43 ◼   ► information or if you perhaps want to start your own campaign, you can go to stjude.org/relay.

00:05:48 ◼   ► So S-T-J-U-D-E dot O-R-G slash A-T-P to just go straight to the donation. So now the three

00:05:55 ◼   ► of us are going to do our annual donations. And here's the thing. We always say we're

00:05:59 ◼   ► going to do the gentlemanly thing of agreeing on exactly how much we're going to donate.

00:06:04 ◼   ► And I believe as with past years, we had agreed on $7,000, but we could never do that because

00:06:09 ◼   ► we're all just difficult. So the question is, who is going to be the winner by donating

00:06:16 ◼   ► the most, but also sticking to the gentlemanly agreement of $7,000? So in past years, I should

00:06:23 ◼   ► look this up. In past years, I think I've done $7,001 or $7,001 and one cent. I feel

00:06:30 ◼   ► like that isn't enough, but I want to stick close to the $7,000. And so I am going to,

00:06:39 ◼   ► as we speak, I'm going to say payment details. I'm gonna see if I can Apple pay this and

00:06:43 ◼   ► I'm not going to tell you quite yet exactly what I am going to do. I have to add an address.

00:06:47 ◼   ► My mistake. You don't have to wait while I do that. But my thinking is that I need to

00:06:53 ◼   ► do just a little bit more. I'm hoping that's not a bad choice and I probably shouldn't

00:06:59 ◼   ► be telling you this while I'm on air because now Marco is probably just tripling his donation,

00:07:05 ◼   ► which honestly I'm okay with. I've already hit my button. I hit it while you were talking

00:07:08 ◼   ► already. So it's I'm in. Oh, all right. I should look, but I'm not going to. I promise

00:07:12 ◼   ► I'm not going to. I haven't looked yet. All right. I'm going, I'm hitting the Apple pay

00:07:15 ◼   ► button right now. Done. I donated $7,001 and 43 cents because one 43 is short for, I love

00:07:24 ◼   ► you one letter, four letters, three letters, and that's for Aaron. And so we lost it. It's

00:07:29 ◼   ► it's really you being mean to Aaron is what's going on. So let's see how we do. You definitely

00:07:34 ◼   ► talk too much this year. Casey also, you're incredibly bad at this game. And I basically,

00:07:40 ◼   ► I basically conceded this game because like, like, like what's his name? Adrian bite or

00:07:46 ◼   ► whatever. I made my donation 35 minutes ago because I thought we were doing it before

00:07:50 ◼   ► we started airing. So you could have just looked and seen the amount that I did. But

00:07:53 ◼   ► apparently Marco has just decided he's sick of losing this game. Marco has decided enough

00:08:00 ◼   ► is enough. I have lost every year. Right. So I mean, I've fair, fair enough. Like this

00:08:04 ◼   ► year I was trying to give, honestly, I was trying to give Casey a chance to win this

00:08:07 ◼   ► year, but apparently Casey cannot be helped. Wait, why? Where did 17 come from? I did 11

00:08:14 ◼   ► last year. Oh my God. So, so the, so the final donations from ATP, me and Aaron coming in

00:08:20 ◼   ► last at $7,001 and 43 cents. Then John Siracusa at $7,017 even, and then Marco and Tiff swooping

00:08:29 ◼   ► in to take the lead comfortably take the lead. I should add Marco. How much did you two donate?

00:08:36 ◼   ► 77.77. Well done. I do feel like Marco is, again, it's a technical foul on massively

00:08:43 ◼   ► exceeding the amount, but because it's for a charitable cause and because he had never

00:08:46 ◼   ► won before, we're going to let it slide this time. But we can't, we can't support this

00:08:49 ◼   ► kind of inflation. Yeah, this is, this is awfully large inflation. I mean, this is,

00:08:54 ◼   ► this is ridiculous. It shall not stand, but we can't get upset. Anyway, so collectively

00:08:58 ◼   ► ATP has donated according to my little calculator here, $21,796 and 20 cents. Of course that

00:09:05 ◼   ► exact amount is what we would do, but that's what we ended up at. By the way, I have to

00:09:10 ◼   ► say that we're, I mean, this is obviously it's a relay pledge drive and we have relay

00:09:13 ◼   ► podcasts and we are really adjacent. We are friends with them, but I've always been proud

00:09:17 ◼   ► of how much of the relay pledge drive is from listeners to a non-relay podcast. ATP listeners

00:09:24 ◼   ► donate tons of money. Like we already talked about the, like the leaderboard thing we have

00:09:28 ◼   ► for Casey's stickers or whatever, where the, uh, you know, ATP listeners with a large means

00:09:32 ◼   ► of put huge donations in for the chance of getting those stickers, right? Sometimes people

00:09:35 ◼   ► put ATP in their comments or whatever. We've been amazed by how much money, how generous

00:09:40 ◼   ► ATP listeners on are for this pledge drive. So that makes us proud of our listeners. And

00:09:45 ◼   ► I think we're really helping out the, uh, the pledge drive for St. Jude.

00:09:48 ◼   ► Yep. Yeah. I couldn't agree more. It is really kind of you to listen to us make this pledge.

00:09:53 ◼   ► I know this is taking a long time, but honestly, sorry, not sorry because it's worth it. So

00:09:58 ◼   ► thank you so much. We really appreciate you. And again, I will reiterate just because we

00:10:02 ◼   ► donated 7,000 and change some of us almost $8,000. Uh, even though we did that, you can

00:10:07 ◼   ► donate $7. That's fine. We're still happy about that. Don't, don't let us lead you any

00:10:12 ◼   ► other way. We're still very happy about that. So please, the majority of the money is not

00:10:16 ◼   ► the people donating thousands of dollars. It's small donations. Give 10 bucks, give

00:10:20 ◼   ► 20 bucks, give five bucks, anything you can. Yep. So please, stjude.org, S T J U D E dot

00:10:26 ◼   ► org slash ATP. Thank you. Let's do some follow up Mac mini redesign updates from Mark Gurman.

00:10:32 ◼   ► So, uh, Mark had announced some expected Mac mini redesign or redesign changes and whatnot,

00:10:39 ◼   ► and then has gone back to the well and has clarified a bit. So Mark writes the M four

00:10:44 ◼   ► pro version of the Mac mini will have five USB C ports, three on the back, two on the

00:10:49 ◼   ► front like the max studio. That model will also retain an ethernet port. Good. HDMI port.

00:10:54 ◼   ► Good. And headphone Jack. Sure. But prepare to say goodbye to the USB ports found on the

00:10:59 ◼   ► current Mac mini. I'm happy with this. Like to me, like the, the retention of most of

00:11:06 ◼   ► the things on it, I'm happy with that. And, and USB a like it's been very helpful to have

00:11:12 ◼   ► USB a ports on lots of things long into the USB C transition. I do think it's now time

00:11:18 ◼   ► that we can drop them on most things. I agree. I agree. Wholeheartedly. Now we're going to

00:11:23 ◼   ► get everyone ready writing to us about how wrong we are, but here, you know, you can't

00:11:26 ◼   ► win them all. Uh, then Mark continues. I've also been told that the computer's power supply

00:11:30 ◼   ► will be internal. This was a big deal because, uh, they're saying, you know, the, the new

00:11:33 ◼   ► Mac mini is going to be roughly a Apple TV sized. And although the Apple TV does indeed

00:11:39 ◼   ► have its power supply internal, uh, which is to say, you just plug in a cord, there's

00:11:43 ◼   ► no brick involved, but you know, that's kind of a computer, but not really a whole computer.

00:11:48 ◼   ► And so people were justifiably a little worried that perhaps, uh, this wouldn't be the case

00:11:52 ◼   ► with the Mac mini. Maybe it would go more like the current IMAX, which have the brick

00:11:56 ◼   ► on the outside, but nope. Apparently the power supply will be internal, which I very, I am

00:12:00 ◼   ► very happy about. Do you know if the Logitech, like the little RF dongle things for their

00:12:04 ◼   ► wireless mice because Bluetooth sucks, uh, if they're USB C now, as far as I know, they're

00:12:09 ◼   ► not now. I do take a little bit of offense at you saying Bluetooth sucks. I'm maybe I'm

00:12:12 ◼   ► a Bluetooth unicorn, but I really don't see the issue with using Bluetooth peripherals.

00:12:16 ◼   ► It's so much worse than the little RF dongles in pretty much all possible ways, except you

00:12:21 ◼   ► don't have to have a dongle, which is great. I mean, honestly, that is very like I've in,

00:12:26 ◼   ► in, you know, various, you know, gaming laptops and stuff. I do use other mice besides Apple's

00:12:31 ◼   ► magic mouse and other people in my family. We have mice all over the house. I have so

00:12:37 ◼   ► far not found a compelling case for the custom RF dongles. To me, there's a compelling case

00:12:42 ◼   ► for wired mice, especially on a gaming PC situation or just a PC situation in general.

00:12:47 ◼   ► There's a compelling case for wired mice and there's a compelling case for Bluetooth mice.

00:12:51 ◼   ► And the other, the other options I just have not found to be worth their hassles. Like

00:12:56 ◼   ► I know their lower latency and different, like I know there are technical advantages.

00:13:01 ◼   ► It's not even that. That's all true. Like the advantages for it. And they actually have

00:13:04 ◼   ► like gaming mice that are wireless now with some super wireless protocol, whatever. It's

00:13:07 ◼   ► mostly the fact that the Bluetooth range and reliability is often at the limit for desktop

00:13:14 ◼   ► computers, even for laptops, keep it far away of working well. Like, I mean, my computer

00:13:19 ◼   ► is my tower computer. I can touch it with my hand. It's not that far away, but no Bluetooth

00:13:24 ◼   ► mouse can reliably communicate with the computer. It's not that far away. RF dongle, I could

00:13:30 ◼   ► be in the other room smooth as glass, right? And that's, that's the advantage. It's just

00:13:34 ◼   ► so much better range and reliability at the cost of filling one of your ports with a little

00:13:38 ◼   ► thing. And the reason I ask about the little dongles is because yeah, this is the Mac mini.

00:13:42 ◼   ► You know, if you're going to get rid of a big port, get rid of it on the computer that

00:13:46 ◼   ► has many in the name. It's supposed to be small. They're making it smaller. I get it.

00:13:48 ◼   ► It's fine. Drop it. But the alternative is to have, you know, a dongle, like a little

00:13:55 ◼   ► stupid white dongle or, you know, some other thing hanging off the back of it that you

00:13:58 ◼   ► then attach your little RF dingus to if you have a mouse like that. And that's more cumbersome

00:14:04 ◼   ► than having a bigger computer with no dongle in some situations. So there is a balance

00:14:08 ◼   ► here. Obviously we should just be blaming Logitech and say, why are you still shipping

00:14:11 ◼   ► USB-A dongles? You're not wrong. Make a USB-C one. Like it's obvious that the thing, the

00:14:16 ◼   ► actual thing that's in there is so tiny. I'm sure it could fit. But anyway, that's, that's

00:14:21 ◼   ► the only downside I can see is like, why would you still have USB-A ports? You've got like

00:14:24 ◼   ► those YubiKey things and like DRM stuff for expensive applications and RF adapters for

00:14:30 ◼   ► mice.

00:14:31 ◼   ► - Indeed. Oh yeah. Yeah. All right. So with regard to minimum amounts of Mac Ram, which

00:14:38 ◼   ► we were talking about in the context of going to, what is it? 12 gigabytes of Ram in future

00:14:43 ◼   ► Mac.

00:14:44 ◼   ► - 16, 16.

00:14:45 ◼   ► - I'm sorry. Thank you. Brian writes, I was at Apple's 1996 worldwide developer conference

00:14:50 ◼   ► where Jill, Emilio, Gil, Gil, Emilio. I got that right this time. See, it's GIF, not Jeff.

00:14:55 ◼   ► Anyway, made the announcement during the keynote that all future Mac models would ship with

00:14:58 ◼   ► a minimum of 12 megabytes of Ram up from 8. As I remember that announcement got a standing

00:15:03 ◼   ► ovation from the developers in attendance. And then apparently after ruminating, and

00:15:09 ◼   ► this is years later, I think after ruminating about my recollections of the WWDC keynote,

00:15:12 ◼   ► I'm no longer confident in my description of the responses of standing ovation. Oh,

00:15:16 ◼   ► this was, I think that Brian had written us a little while later. Anyways, instead the

00:15:20 ◼   ► enthusiasm of the applause was more along the lines of we were expecting the next Ram

00:15:25 ◼   ► jump would be to 16 megs, not 12, but Hey, we'll take it.

00:15:28 ◼   ► - 12 megabytes of Ram kids.

00:15:30 ◼   ► - We did a lot with a little back then. All right. Cigarja writes with regard to the screen

00:15:36 ◼   ► recording badge on outgoing video, excluding the screen recording badge from outgoing video

00:15:41 ◼   ► is actually possible, but it requires the full access screen capture API rather than

00:15:45 ◼   ► the window selection one. The way it works is that the screen recording badges is an

00:15:49 ◼   ► extra child window added by the system that you can mask out while streaming. I didn't

00:15:53 ◼   ► know that. The additional API is required since the window picker lets the system handle

00:15:56 ◼   ► the selection, then it hands you the frames. And this includes the recording badge by default.

00:16:00 ◼   ► Removing it requires assembling the window list yourself, which is quote unquote more

00:16:04 ◼   ► sensitive.

00:16:05 ◼   ► - So as usual to provide a better experience to your users, you need to use the API that

00:16:08 ◼   ► Apple doesn't want you to use.

00:16:10 ◼   ► - With regard to JPEG XL, Kelly Thompson, this is the alleged new codec that Apple's

00:16:17 ◼   ► going to be in, well, it's not that new, but Apple's going to be embracing it, which is

00:16:20 ◼   ► new. Kelly Thompson writes, "Support for reading JPEG XL images has been available on Apple

00:16:24 ◼   ► platform since last year. They work in Safari preview photos and all the apps like Pages

00:16:29 ◼   ► and Keynote. Here's the kicker though. You have all that beautiful dynamic range for

00:16:32 ◼   ► preview and Safari don't support HDR images of any type quite yet. Safari supports HDR

00:16:37 ◼   ► video, but not stills. Obviously HDR images work great in photos. It's a weird state of

00:16:41 ◼   ► half in half out. JPEG XL has been jointly developed by Cloudinary, which I'd never heard

00:16:46 ◼   ► of and Google. For ages, JPEG XL support was behind a flag in Chrome. Everyone was just

00:16:51 ◼   ► waiting for them to turn it on. Then they released a chart saying AVIF handily beats

00:16:56 ◼   ► JXL and remove support." And we'll put a link to the chart in the show notes. "The entire

00:17:01 ◼   ► web responded saying, in fact, the chart showed the exact opposite and everything above quality

00:17:05 ◼   ► 55, which is where the vast majority of images saved are. JPEG XL handily beat AVIF at every

00:17:13 ◼   ► point. In fact, JPEG XL isn't optimized at those low quality levels because it's not

00:17:18 ◼   ► really usable. The Google team that works on JPEG XL is in Europe and the team that

00:17:22 ◼   ► works on Chrome is in California. Well, either way from the Chromium bug tracker request,

00:17:27 ◼   ► reopen JPEG XL issue." We'll put a link to that in the show notes. "You may already be

00:17:31 ◼   ► receiving images in this format without even realizing it. Major cloud delivery services

00:17:36 ◼   ► already offer JPEG XL as an option to browsers that support it. One cool feature of the default

00:17:41 ◼   ► JPEG XL encoder, CJXL, is that you can get to select an effort level from one to 10.

00:17:48 ◼   ► If time isn't a critical factor, the encoder can spend more time optimizing file size.

00:17:52 ◼   ► If not, you can compress them as fast as JPEG at the expense of some size. Here's a beta

00:17:56 ◼   ► version of a tool we developed for the upcoming JPEG XL website that shows the relationship

00:18:01 ◼   ► between distance, effort, quality, and encoding speed."

00:18:03 ◼   ► "It's kind of like if you have like ImageOptim and those other sort of PNG crush and all

00:18:07 ◼   ► those utilities that say like use more computation time to make the image a little bit smaller,

00:18:10 ◼   ► that's like built into this format so you have an adjustable how much effort you want

00:18:14 ◼   ► to put in to, you know, getting the smallest size possible, which is just, it's really

00:18:19 ◼   ► just a honeypot for web developers because every web developer will say, I will spend

00:18:24 ◼   ► 24 hours making this image smaller because it's going to be served a whole jillion times

00:18:28 ◼   ► in the 30 seconds after I post it, you know what I mean? So every little bit that we can

00:18:33 ◼   ► crush this image makes it. And that was the same thing with CDNs, vending JPEG XL versions

00:18:38 ◼   ► based on the browsers that they know support them or whatever. So yeah, JPEG XL could be

00:18:43 ◼   ► out there and you could be receiving it, but yeah, the support in macOS, I'm hoping if

00:18:47 ◼   ► Apple does announce, hey, these new iPhones have this new image format, if that even happens

00:18:51 ◼   ► at all, I hope support comes to the rest of their platforms. Like things like Preview

00:18:57 ◼   ► and even Safari not being able to show HDR still images in any format, let alone JPEG

00:19:03 ◼   ► XL, seems like a limitation that they should overcome and this would be the perfect time

00:19:06 ◼   ► to do it. So again, I'm rooting for this rumor. This is still just a rumor that Apple's doing

00:19:10 ◼   ► this, but regardless of the rumor, Apple has been adding JPEG XL support slowly and steadily

00:19:15 ◼   ► to their platforms. It's just not fully baked yet. And they certainly haven't announced

00:19:19 ◼   ► that they're switching the iPhone camera to use it as the rumor says they will.

00:19:24 ◼   ► Moving along, we need to talk about the FTC's non-compete agreements ban, which if you recall,

00:19:30 ◼   ► the FTC Federal Trade Commission said here in America, hey, you can't have non-competes

00:19:34 ◼   ► anymore. That's not fair. To which a federal judge said, hold my beer. Reading from the

00:19:39 ◼   ► Verge, a federal judge has blocked the Federal Trade Commission's ban on non-compete agreements

00:19:42 ◼   ► that make it difficult for workers to join their employer's rivals or launch competing

00:19:46 ◼   ► businesses. The ruling prevents the FTC's ban on non-compete agreements from taking

00:19:49 ◼   ► effect on September 4th, which is today, though the agency could still appeal the decision.

00:19:55 ◼   ► On August 20th, US District Judge Ada Brown in Dallas, Texas ruled that the antitrust

00:19:59 ◼   ► agency exceeded its statutory authority to ban practices related to unfair methods of

00:20:03 ◼   ► competition saying the non-compete agreements ban is "unreasonably overbroad without a reasonable

00:20:08 ◼   ► explanation" and would "cause irreparable harm" to whom? Judge Brown, to whom? Brown's

00:20:15 ◼   ► decision now stops the FTC from blocking non-competes nationwide after initially delaying the ban

00:20:19 ◼   ► with a preliminary injunction in July. The ruling upholds a lawsuit that tax firm Ryan,

00:20:25 ◼   ► LLC filed in April to challenge the non-compete agreements ban, arguing that it would make

00:20:29 ◼   ► it difficult for companies to retain talent. Here's an idea. Work harder to retain the

00:20:33 ◼   ► friggin' talent.

00:20:34 ◼   ► I love that. It would make us harder to retain talent if we couldn't legally handcuff our

00:20:39 ◼   ► employees by telling them they can't get a job at the same industry for some arbitrary

00:20:42 ◼   ► amount of time.

00:20:43 ◼   ► Get out of here with that nonsense.

00:20:44 ◼   ► I love the things that are quoting here like "unreasonably overbroad without a reasonable

00:20:50 ◼   ► explanation." I'm pretty sure the people on the other side of this case gave a reasonable

00:20:55 ◼   ► explanation for why non-competes are bad. Now maybe they mean a reasonable explanation

00:20:58 ◼   ► of why this particular agency has the ability to do this or whatever. It's frustrating.

00:21:04 ◼   ► We would hope that collectively we can find a way that will survive judicial challenge

00:21:11 ◼   ► to get rid of this horrible thing that is non-compete. The state of California did it

00:21:15 ◼   ► somehow. The US government is still working on that. So fingers crossed.

00:21:20 ◼   ► It's so gross. I dislike it so very much.

00:21:24 ◼   ► Moving along though, apparently more governments would also like in on pooping on the App Store

00:21:28 ◼   ► because Spain has launched an investigation into Apple's App Store. This was in July.

00:21:34 ◼   ► Reading from MacRumors, the National Commission of Markets and Competition, the CNMC, this

00:21:39 ◼   ► week announced a probe into the App Store, citing concerns that the company might be

00:21:43 ◼   ► imposing unfair trading conditions on developers who distribute their applications to the platform.

00:21:48 ◼   ► Investigation was initiated ex officio, reflecting the significant economic influence of App

00:21:52 ◼   ► Stores in Spain. Apple's practices could constitute an abuse of a dominant position, which is

00:21:57 ◼   ► prohibited under Spanish competition laws and the treaty on the functioning of the European

00:22:00 ◼   ► Union, TFEU.

00:22:03 ◼   ► Additionally, India has an antitrust probe which finds Apple has abused its position

00:22:08 ◼   ► in the apps market. Reading from Reuters, an investigation by India's antitrust body

00:22:12 ◼   ► has found that Apple exploited its dominant position in the market for App Stores on its

00:22:15 ◼   ► iOS operating system, engaging in "abusive conduct and practices," a confidential report

00:22:21 ◼   ► seen by Reuters showed. The Competition Commission of India, or CCI, has been investigating Apple

00:22:28 ◼   ► since 2021 for possibly abusing its dominant position in the apps market by forcing developers

00:22:32 ◼   ► to use its proprietary in-app purchase system.

00:22:35 ◼   ► And then, going for the trifecta, the UK has entered the chat. Reading from 9to5Mac, a

00:22:40 ◼   ► UK antitrust investigation into Apple has officially closed, despite finding the company

00:22:43 ◼   ► to be at fault after the regulator missed a legal deadline. However, a case seems almost

00:22:49 ◼   ► certain to be reopened under an upcoming law which will grant new powers to the Competition

00:22:52 ◼   ► and Markets Authority, or CMA.

00:22:54 ◼   ► I wonder if all these governments are like cheating off each other, or like, the language

00:22:57 ◼   ► in these stories from three entirely different outlets is so similar, and the language of

00:23:01 ◼   ► all of their complaints is so similar, that it's like, these places smell blood in the

00:23:06 ◼   ► water, and they're like, "Well, this is a thing now. Everyone's, you know, trying to

00:23:11 ◼   ► tamp down the App Store, citing the same type of things, like competition, abusing dominant

00:23:15 ◼   ► position, yada yada, so everyone's getting in on the act. Now how will these all turn

00:23:18 ◼   ► out? Who knows? But the problems for Apple are just getting started."

00:23:24 ◼   ► As we said they would when this started like years and years ago, we're like, when one

00:23:27 ◼   ► country does this, more are going to follow. It's not going to be like, "Oh, you're going

00:23:30 ◼   ► to satisfy the Japan Trade Commission, and that'll be it. You'll never hear about this

00:23:33 ◼   ► again." Nope.

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00:25:37 ◼   ► So it is time for everyone's favorite tradition, which was a genuinely excellent idea that

00:25:42 ◼   ► Marco came up with a few years back. This is the iPhone 15 exit interview. Marco, would

00:25:47 ◼   ► you like to introduce this? Yeah, I started doing this a few years ago,

00:25:51 ◼   ► as Casey said. This is basically on the eve of the iPhone's replacement, the episode before

00:25:57 ◼   ► they're going to have their event and launch the new one. I like to send the old one out

00:26:02 ◼   ► kind of with an exit interview of how was the outgoing phone this year. Now that we've

00:26:07 ◼   ► had a whole year of usage, it kind of helps inform other shows more often do kind of direct

00:26:13 ◼   ► like predictions or wish lists of what we want for the next phone that will be announced

00:26:18 ◼   ► next week. And I think having it kind of framed as an exit interview of the previous phone

00:26:25 ◼   ► helps to inform kind of what matters and what kind of progress we're actually hoping to

00:26:30 ◼   ► have and in what areas. So we're going to start with the iPhone 15 Pro. And now to be

00:26:37 ◼   ► clear, Jon, you didn't have the 15 Pro, right? This wasn't your year?

00:26:40 ◼   ► Yeah, but my wife did. So I've experienced the phone.

00:26:43 ◼   ► Right. And Casey, you had the big one for the first time and I have the medium sized

00:26:47 ◼   ► one, which I guess is the small technically, but it's, you know, there's only two sizes

00:26:51 ◼   ► and neither of them are small. Aaron did get a 15 Pro, not a Pro Max. So

00:26:57 ◼   ► I've used it some, obviously not as much as she in the same way that Jon has used Tina's

00:27:01 ◼   ► some, but you are the only one of the three of us that has actually used it full time.

00:27:06 ◼   ► So, iPhone 15 Pro, I would say the number one thing that I absolutely love about this

00:27:13 ◼   ► phone, USB-C. We were waiting for it for so long. They finally gave it to us in the 15

00:27:19 ◼   ► line. And this is not a small deal. This has been a big deal. This has been so nice. So

00:27:25 ◼   ► not only do I have easier charging everywhere that I am, like, because all over my house,

00:27:33 ◼   ► my backpack, my traveling, now we just have one kind of cable and it charges everything.

00:27:42 ◼   ► It's amazing. There are no more lightning cables in my travel bag at all. And around

00:27:48 ◼   ► the house, there are hardly any lightning cables necessary for almost anything. The

00:27:52 ◼   ► only thing we use lightning for is charging Apple TV remotes, which we almost never have

00:27:56 ◼   ► to do. Like that's literally like, you know, maybe twice a year we charge an Apple TV remote.

00:27:59 ◼   ► Well, the modern ones are USB-C. The older ones were. Yes, I just never upgraded to that

00:28:04 ◼   ► one. So no more lightning cables for almost anything except for, yeah, Apple TV charging

00:28:09 ◼   ► for the remote. Also on my desk, I have to have one to power up older iPhones that I

00:28:16 ◼   ► use as test phones and also to charge Magic Mice and Magic Trackpads. That's it. Like,

00:28:21 ◼   ► oh, and I guess a couple of my older AirPods cases. But even like my travel AirPods Pros

00:28:26 ◼   ► are now the USB-C model there, which is an upgrade I strongly recommend. It's so good.

00:28:31 ◼   ► Oh, I really want to do it, but I'm too cheap. It feels so wasteful, but like for, but I

00:28:35 ◼   ► had to get a second pair because one of the old ones finally died and it's so I got the

00:28:39 ◼   ► new one. Oh man, it's so nice. But anyway, yeah. Having all USB-C total game changer.

00:28:47 ◼   ► I've even found that there's a lot of kind of like little things you can now do that

00:28:53 ◼   ► you couldn't do as easily or at all before because it supports USB-C. So for instance,

00:28:58 ◼   ► I can plug in my big Fuji camera with a regular USB-C cable, even just a quote charging cable

00:29:05 ◼   ► that only uses like slow USB two speeds. I can connect that directly from the camera

00:29:09 ◼   ► to my phone and import photos. It's glorious. Like so much little stuff like that just works.

00:29:17 ◼   ► Some audio equipment works that way too. Like I have found it is just USB-C has been an

00:29:23 ◼   ► awesome upgrade on the iPhone. And if you are still holding onto an older phone and

00:29:27 ◼   ► you're wondering like, should I upgrade, you know, this year or whatever, USB-C alone is

00:29:33 ◼   ► a great reason to upgrade. But you know, that's obviously how much that's worth to you. It

00:29:38 ◼   ► depends on the pricing, but wow, is it nice. That is so much nicer. Like I knew it would

00:29:44 ◼   ► be nice to just like, you know, get rid of some cables. I had no idea how nice it would

00:29:48 ◼   ► be. So I am extremely, even like, you know, simple stuff like, you know, you have like

00:29:51 ◼   ► a USB, you know, battery pack that you're using to charge up something and you want,

00:29:56 ◼   ► Oh, can I top off my phone for a minute? Yeah, sure. Just pop out whatever you're charging

00:29:59 ◼   ► and plug into the phone and then you unplug the phone and plug in a laptop or an AirPods

00:30:03 ◼   ► case or whatever, all with the same cable, all connected to the same battery without

00:30:06 ◼   ► having to like mess with things. Oh, it's so nice. It is so good. So yeah, USB-C A plus.

00:30:12 ◼   ► Yeah. Just to jump in really quickly. I like Marco said, I knew this was going to be an

00:30:17 ◼   ► improvement for sure. Uh, I didn't realize how vast an improvement it was going to be.

00:30:23 ◼   ► Uh, it is so empowering is a bit dramatic, I think, but I don't, I can't think of a better

00:30:29 ◼   ► word for it at the moment. It's so empowering to look at any of my devices, asterisk and

00:30:34 ◼   ► any cable I have nearby and say, yep, that'll work. And maybe it won't be as quick as I

00:30:39 ◼   ► want to be that data or power, but one way or another, anything can charge anything.

00:30:44 ◼   ► Just the other day on one of the final pool days we had before our little community pool

00:30:48 ◼   ► had closed, a friend of ours came and she has an iPhone 15 pro I guess as well. Yeah,

00:30:54 ◼   ► cause it's USB-C anyways, she has an iPhone 15 pro and it was near death because she had

00:30:58 ◼   ► forgotten to charge it the night before and I didn't have a charger with me, but I had

00:31:03 ◼   ► my fully charged iPad with me and I had a USB-C cable in the car and I said, hold on,

00:31:09 ◼   ► I know what I'll do. And I went and I grabbed my USB-C to see cable from the car, plugged

00:31:14 ◼   ► iPhone into her iPhone and sure enough, she slurped her phone, slurped up some of the

00:31:18 ◼   ► charge from my iPad, which was totally fine. Having anything being able to charge anything

00:31:22 ◼   ► again, asterisk, et cetera, et cetera, is so great. And to your point, Marco, not having

00:31:27 ◼   ► to carry 44 different cables is so nice. It's just, it's so wonderful to not have to care

00:31:33 ◼   ► if the thing I need to be charged is the computer, is the iPad, is the phone. It doesn't matter.

00:31:39 ◼   ► All of them charge the same way. Yeah. And the only downside I would say is that the

00:31:44 ◼   ► USB-C hole in the phone does get like lint from your pocket in there in a way that is

00:31:49 ◼   ► harder to remove than with lightning. With lightning you could put pretty much anything

00:31:53 ◼   ► up there and just kind of scrape it out and it would just kind of fall out. USB-C, I did

00:31:57 ◼   ► have an issue earlier in the year where I had to like, where I thought my port was breaking.

00:32:02 ◼   ► So I just couldn't get cables to sit right or charge reliably. And it was just crap in

00:32:06 ◼   ► the port and I had thought it wasn't because I had just done like some basic, you know,

00:32:10 ◼   ► clean out with like one of those plastic tools thinking like maybe this will do it. And it

00:32:14 ◼   ► took like a little bit deeper of a clean to get all that stuff out. And it was just stuff

00:32:18 ◼   ► in the port. It was just, you know, harder to get out than lightning. But other than

00:32:21 ◼   ► that, it's been only benefit. And I also like, I thought, and we've been talking for, you

00:32:27 ◼   ► know, years before they did this, I really thought that the public perception of the

00:32:32 ◼   ► USB-C change would be as harsh as it was when they switched from the dock connector to lightning.

00:32:37 ◼   ► Yeah, that's true. I thought the exact same. Like regular people out there hated the switch

00:32:42 ◼   ► to lightning from the dock connector because they were like Apple is just doing this as

00:32:46 ◼   ► a cash grab to, you know, to sell new cables and new bricks, whatever. And, you know, this

00:32:51 ◼   ► time I thought we would have the same problem and we just didn't. I think that's largely

00:32:55 ◼   ► because USB-C is not proprietary to Apple. And so when they made this change, there was

00:33:02 ◼   ► already a massive marketplace of USB-C cables and chargers made by everybody. And so it

00:33:08 ◼   ► was not as much of like, oh, they're trying to sell their own cable. Like I'd be surprised

00:33:13 ◼   ► if Apple sells many of their own cables. I think most people just get whatever they can

00:33:17 ◼   ► on Amazon and it's fine. I'm pretty sure if you go back and listen to old episodes of

00:33:20 ◼   ► ATP, all those reasons you just cited were actually cited back when we were discussing

00:33:23 ◼   ► this. So I don't think either one of you or any of us actually thought it would be as

00:33:27 ◼   ► bad because we listed those reasons. And lo and behold it wasn't. Although that said,

00:33:32 ◼   ► I think it has been even quieter than we thought it would be. Because when we were discussing

00:33:35 ◼   ► it we were like, okay, well, is this going to be as bad? Here are these mitigating factors

00:33:38 ◼   ► that could make it not as bad. But not only was it not as bad as lightning to USB or lightning

00:33:43 ◼   ► to 30 pin to lightning, I think it was just pretty much a non-issue. I mean, maybe it's

00:33:50 ◼   ► more of an issue outside our circles. Maybe most people don't have a USB-C phone. Maybe

00:33:54 ◼   ► it's lagging. But right now on the eve of the iPhone 16, I think it has exceeded expectations

00:34:00 ◼   ► into how much better the transition was. Even though I think we all said it was going to

00:34:04 ◼   ► be better. We didn't think it was going to be this much better.

00:34:06 ◼   ► And I certainly did not think it was going to be, as you said, like this quiet. Like

00:34:09 ◼   ► no one, see, I heard no complaints from literally anybody that they changed the port. Like,

00:34:15 ◼   ► you know, granted, you're right that not everybody is on that fast of an upgrade cycle. But still,

00:34:20 ◼   ► I literally heard zero problems about this.

00:34:22 ◼   ► Oh, speaking of the port, on the flip side, my wife's iPhone 15 Pro is the only USB-C

00:34:28 ◼   ► phone in the house. And so we have the opposite problem here where it's not like we've gone

00:34:31 ◼   ► to this whole USB-C lifestyle. We have those communal chargers everywhere with lightning

00:34:36 ◼   ► stuff and we had to add the right number of USB-C things there. Now, arguably we should

00:34:41 ◼   ► have been adding them before because we've got USB-C iPads. We just happen to have other

00:34:45 ◼   ► places to charge our iPads. But now every place where there's a bunch of lightning cables,

00:34:48 ◼   ► there's now at least one USB-C cable in the mix. Eventually we'll fully transition, but

00:34:54 ◼   ► it's going to be a while because my wife uses, I believe, four, maybe three. She carries

00:34:59 ◼   ► four iPhones. She uses three of them for Pokemon Go. One of them is her work phone. So she's

00:35:04 ◼   ► just like a brick. Can you imagine how much four Pro phones weigh? It's just so heavy.

00:35:10 ◼   ► Anyway, it's going to be a while before all four of those phones are on USB-C. So I have

00:35:13 ◼   ► a long road ahead of me with a combination of lightning and USB-C on all our communal

00:35:18 ◼   ► chargers.

00:35:19 ◼   ► And while we're on USB-C here, I just wanted to give a shout out to USB-C Power Delivery.

00:35:28 ◼   ► As a spec and as a product ecosystem, USB-C PD has, and for the less nerdy people out

00:35:35 ◼   ► there, that is the spec that allows USB-C to deliver much higher power amounts than

00:35:42 ◼   ► old USB could ever deliver. That's how you can get USB to power an entire laptop by itself,

00:35:47 ◼   ► for instance. The move in general for so many tech products, and even products that are

00:35:54 ◼   ► kind of just barely tech products, the move to being powered by USB-C and USB-C PD wattages

00:36:01 ◼   ► has made overall life so much, just like a little bit nicer in a lot of ways. It's like

00:36:07 ◼   ► the inverse of paper cuts. We complain about little paper cuts on little annoyances in

00:36:12 ◼   ► products. This is like, whatever the opposite of a paper cut would be. A paper circle? I

00:36:17 ◼   ► don't know. I can't think of a good word that's funny. But it is just a little delight, I

00:36:22 ◼   ► guess that's the word, all the time. Little delights where, and you don't necessarily

00:36:29 ◼   ► realize it, once you've moved to the USB-C world, you don't realize how good you have

00:36:34 ◼   ► it until you have to go use something older that has its own power brick or its own older

00:36:39 ◼   ► USB micro or whatever port. The world we have now is so nice to me. All that stuff about

00:36:46 ◼   ► like, wow, I can charge all my phone and my iPad and my laptop from all the same thing.

00:36:51 ◼   ► That's true. And that shows in lots of bigger ways now too. So many other gadgets or things

00:36:59 ◼   ► are now powered by USB because it's just kind of cheaper and widely available. So many devices.

00:37:05 ◼   ► I even have a power drill that is powered by USB-C now and has its own built in. I mean,

00:37:11 ◼   ► look, I'm not a contractor, but for my purposes, it's totally fine. There are so many things

00:37:16 ◼   ► like that now that are entering my life gradually over the last few years that just, oh, this

00:37:20 ◼   ► new XYZ thing, this is now USB-C powered. It could be so many things like toothbrushes,

00:37:27 ◼   ► vacuum cleaners, so many things are now being USB-C powered. And the more stuff that you

00:37:31 ◼   ► get like that in your life, the more those little conveniences and delights you're into

00:37:37 ◼   ► sometimes. Oh, I need to get a new power adapter for my drill. Do I have to buy the proprietary

00:37:44 ◼   ► thing from the drill company? No, it's just USB-C. I want to have a shorter or longer

00:37:49 ◼   ► cable for this gadget. Do I have to buy a special thing or see if anybody makes a weird

00:37:53 ◼   ► one on Amazon? No, you can just use USB-C. There are so many little tiny things like

00:37:58 ◼   ► that that add up in your life over time, the more you're into the USB-C lifestyle. So thank

00:38:03 ◼   ► God for the Europeans for forcing this upon Apple. And thank God for the ecosystem for

00:38:09 ◼   ► being here and for pretty gradually, but now with quite some speed behind it, converting

00:38:16 ◼   ► over to this wonderful lifestyle. It is wonderful. I love USB-C. For the data side of it, yeah,

00:38:21 ◼   ► it's a mess. The power side of it is awesome. Yeah, agreed. Let me give the EU partial credit

00:38:26 ◼   ► because I think we said before, I think Apple would have switched with or without the EU.

00:38:30 ◼   ► It's just a question of the individual timing. They might have even done it at exactly the

00:38:33 ◼   ► same time because they did do it earlier than required. But yeah, Apple's lack of investment

00:38:37 ◼   ► in lightning and the lack of expansion in the capabilities of that port made it inevitable

00:38:41 ◼   ► that they would eventually go to USB-C. So they have. And I think one of their stated

00:38:46 ◼   ► goals, one of the EU's stated goals was reducing e-waste. And I think largely this does that.

00:38:53 ◼   ► The move of so many things to USB-C power, I think really does reduce e-waste. Again,

00:39:00 ◼   ► go through your tech closets and see how many things there are that have their own custom

00:39:04 ◼   ► power bricks and stuff that now the modern versions of those don't because they can be

00:39:09 ◼   ► USB-C powered. I think they make a pretty big impact here. So again, so happy about

00:39:14 ◼   ► this change. Alright, let's move on to the other headlining feature of the iPhone 15

00:39:20 ◼   ► Pro, the action button. It's funny, it got out there. There was a little bit of drama

00:39:25 ◼   ► here and there with cases. And then we pretty much never heard about it for the rest of

00:39:30 ◼   ► the year. But I gotta say, I find the action button so useful that I instantly took it

00:39:35 ◼   ► for granted. Like the idea now of using a phone without the action button would be a

00:39:39 ◼   ► significant paper cut to me. It would be like a significant step down because I use mine.

00:39:43 ◼   ► I have it set up for the flashlight. I know there's lots of other ideas people have for

00:39:46 ◼   ► it but I need a flashlight fairly frequently. And I use it at least twice a day. And I just,

00:39:52 ◼   ► I love having that hardware button there. It is fantastic. Yeah, I use mine for camera.

00:39:58 ◼   ► And I know that many would call that a kind of a novice or noob approach because there

00:40:04 ◼   ► are many other ways to get to your camera. Most of which are fairly quick. But I don't

00:40:08 ◼   ► want to have to think about it or have to worry about swiping in just the right way

00:40:12 ◼   ► that it actually listens to me and swipes the way I want it to go from the lock screen.

00:40:17 ◼   ► And so for me, I love having the camera as my action button action. And I use that at

00:40:25 ◼   ► least daily. I don't personally think I would use the flashlight quite as much. But hey,

00:40:30 ◼   ► that doesn't mean you're wrong at all. If it works for you, that's all that matters.

00:40:34 ◼   ► I don't know that I would be lost or anything without having the action button, you know,

00:40:41 ◼   ► in like a in a future phone. And for some reason it went away. But I definitely would

00:40:45 ◼   ► would miss having it for sure. And maybe one day I'll use it for something more advanced.

00:40:49 ◼   ► But yeah, I think the action button also gets a thumbs up for me for sure. I think the camera

00:40:53 ◼   ► is perfectly good thing to use it for my success rate at doing the swipe gesture for the camera

00:40:57 ◼   ► is so low. I end up using the the what you would think would be the even slower one where

00:41:03 ◼   ► you have to hold your finger on the little camera icon. It's like you have there's a

00:41:06 ◼   ► delay. You're like, why are you using the one with the delay? That's got to be slower.

00:41:09 ◼   ► No, because when I try to swipe and it fails, and I try to swipe and it's always like, oh,

00:41:12 ◼   ► got to get the camera out quick, you know, because something cute is happening or whatever,

00:41:15 ◼   ► right? That is the time when I am completely unable to get the camera up. So the action

00:41:19 ◼   ► button is going to be great. But I have to say that when I need to get my camera real

00:41:24 ◼   ► fast, it's almost always my phone and not my wife's phone. So I actually haven't built

00:41:28 ◼   ► the habit of using the action button, even though hers is set to camera, because I'm

00:41:33 ◼   ► never grabbing her phone real quick to take a picture because going over to where she

00:41:37 ◼   ► is or getting her phone is going to kill the time that it would be required anyway. So

00:41:40 ◼   ► I'm looking forward to my iPhone 16 with the action button so that I can build that habit

00:41:44 ◼   ► because I can almost guarantee that pressing that side button is going to have a much higher

00:41:49 ◼   ► success rate than me trying to swipe or me having to hold my finger down on that little

00:41:53 ◼   ► thing.

00:41:54 ◼   ► Yep, very much so.

00:41:55 ◼   ► And then finally, the only other thing I'll say about the iPhone 15 Pro is that the thermals

00:42:01 ◼   ► really have been pretty bad. It really, you know, we all saw right at the beginning, we're

00:42:06 ◼   ► like, this phone seems to run hot, really hot. It does. It does run very hot and it

00:42:11 ◼   ► does thermal throttle itself a lot in use, especially like in the sun in a car. That's

00:42:17 ◼   ► why I had to like buy a chiller phone mount that uses, you know, a thermoelectric element

00:42:24 ◼   ► just to cool the phone down in the car just so I could keep the display on and take any

00:42:28 ◼   ► power whatsoever. Like this phone runs hot and it has run hot since day one. And Apple

00:42:34 ◼   ► tried to, I think they successfully mitigated the bad press that could have resulted from

00:42:39 ◼   ► that when people started reporting that right at the beginning. And they issued a soft,

00:42:42 ◼   ► they said it was a software issue and they issued a software update. It wasn't a software

00:42:46 ◼   ► issue. It was a hardware flaw. This phone overheats much more easily than previous phones

00:42:50 ◼   ► did. And the rumors are that the upcoming 16 Pros that should be announced next week

00:42:55 ◼   ► apparently have a modified and better thermal design. And that's, so that is, when I look

00:43:01 ◼   ► at my 16 Pro wish list, it's actually really short. It's, I want better thermals and I

00:43:07 ◼   ► could use the 5X camera that Casey has, which it does seem like both of those things have

00:43:11 ◼   ► been pretty solidly rumored the entire time for that phone.

00:43:14 ◼   ► I have to say though, how many years? I think it's been like three or four years that there

00:43:18 ◼   ► have been rumors of better cooling in iPhones. Vapor chambers, graphite sheets, not just

00:43:23 ◼   ► this year, not just for the iPhone 7, but last year and the year before that and the

00:43:26 ◼   ► year before that. And we have never gotten them. So I really, really hope this is the

00:43:30 ◼   ► year. Cause those rumors are always there. And the reason they're there is every year,

00:43:34 ◼   ► like again, if you have a phone out in the sun, they will overheat, right? Or if, if

00:43:38 ◼   ► when you first update your phone and it's doing all the indexing, they get hot. People

00:43:42 ◼   ► don't like that. And so they're always like, boy, could there be better cooling? And then

00:43:45 ◼   ► you look at what Apple has done with cooling and we know they could do more because Android

00:43:49 ◼   ► phones are like, what, what more can we do? Can we, can we do more than just having, you

00:43:52 ◼   ► know, a heat sink up against the thing and so on and so forth. And yes, you can. Lots

00:43:55 ◼   ► of other phone makers have done things. And so whenever we see the rumors, Apple's going

00:43:58 ◼   ► to do it, they're going to put those graphite sheets in there. They're going to use more

00:44:01 ◼   ► thermal paste. They're going to use a vapor chamber every year. We're just disappointed.

00:44:05 ◼   ► And obviously the 15 Pro had the, what the heck is the chip? The A18 Pro? I don't even

00:44:11 ◼   ► remember the numbers anymore. Yeah. The one on the new three, three-animator process.

00:44:15 ◼   ► Right. And so it was a really, they were pushing the limits with that chip on, on that process

00:44:20 ◼   ► that Apple's already moving away from. I kind of see why it had thermal issues. And I also

00:44:26 ◼   ► kind of say, see why this would have been a good phone to try out those graphite sheets.

00:44:30 ◼   ► You know what I mean? Like, but no, it didn't, didn't happen. So I really hope it does come

00:44:34 ◼   ► on the 16th. But if we go another year and everyone's like, oh, those rumors were for

00:44:37 ◼   ► the 17, not the 16, I am going to be disappointed. Despite the fact that in general, I haven't

00:44:43 ◼   ► noticed my wife's phone getting particularly hot, except for when she's playing Pokemon

00:44:46 ◼   ► Go, in which case that makes all of her phones hot. But you know, it's, as long as it gets

00:44:50 ◼   ► the job done, as long as it doesn't, you know, stop working, which is your problem when you

00:44:53 ◼   ► have it in the car, like it literally stops being able to be used for the thing you're

00:44:56 ◼   ► trying to use it for because the screen gets so dim you can't see it anymore. I don't know

00:45:01 ◼   ► if the 15 Pro was over any kind of limit to bother people more than some past phones,

00:45:06 ◼   ► but it's time for Apple to invest a little bit more in cooling on their top end phones.

00:45:13 ◼   ► You know, it's funny you bring all this up because I do agree that the throttling is

00:45:17 ◼   ► an issue and that the thermals are not stellar. But I would actually say to my estimation,

00:45:22 ◼   ► this was a mild improvement over past years. And you know, when I'm using my phone at the

00:45:27 ◼   ► aforementioned pool, I think it was the 14 Pro, maybe it was the 13 Pro, but I want to

00:45:32 ◼   ► say it was the 14 Pro. That bad boy was so dark I could barely read it pretty much always.

00:45:38 ◼   ► Whereas this one, it definitely gets dim and noticeably so, but I feel like not only would

00:45:44 ◼   ► it recover quicker, but it didn't get as dim as the either the 13 or the 14. So while I

00:45:51 ◼   ► don't disagree that, that we do, I think we do need improvements and I hope for improvements.

00:45:56 ◼   ► I actually thought that this was a slight improvement over years past, although not

00:46:01 ◼   ► a great one. I think you're just experiencing screen improvements there and not necessarily

00:46:04 ◼   ► thermal improvements, right? Because I think just the screen is brighter and takes less

00:46:08 ◼   ► power at a given level of brightness. So now the dim one is not as dim and you're attributing

00:46:13 ◼   ► that to better cooling or better thermals. But I think it's just screen improvements

00:46:18 ◼   ► that you're benefiting from there. But anyway, it doesn't feel like that's the case, but

00:46:21 ◼   ► you very well could be right either. Either way, the experience isn't as bad as it is.

00:46:25 ◼   ► That's the thing though. It's very situational. Like if you, if you buy a car with a big glass

00:46:28 ◼   ► roof and all of a sudden your phone is overheating because on the dashboard it's getting more

00:46:31 ◼   ► direct sunlight, you're going to say, oh, it's the phone's fault, but maybe it's because

00:46:34 ◼   ► you got a new car, right? Like these, all of these phones have always been very vulnerable

00:46:38 ◼   ► to being in direct sunlight for any amount of time. And it's just a question of do you

00:46:42 ◼   ► start putting your phone in more direct sunlight? If so, you will perceive that phone as being

00:46:47 ◼   ► worse thermally. But I mean, there's 15 pros I have heard people saying it gets a little

00:46:51 ◼   ► bit warmer than they expected. And like a lot of these things, especially with the SoC,

00:46:55 ◼   ► the heat is very localized and it's when the SoC is doing a lot of work, right? There's

00:47:00 ◼   ► the thing that gets hot is that little SoC in there. And so on iPhone setup day when

00:47:04 ◼   ► it's doing redo all your indexes and doing all that stuff, yeah, it's going to get real

00:47:08 ◼   ► hot and people are going to notice. But I think over, over time with normal phone usage

00:47:11 ◼   ► where you just pick it up, scroll through something and put it back down, it doesn't

00:47:14 ◼   ► really get a chance to get that hot until you put it on the dashboard of your car. And

00:47:18 ◼   ► then I guess one more thing on the 15 before we leave it. I really do appreciate the titanium

00:47:25 ◼   ► as a weight saving measure. I don't think it needs necessarily be titanium specifically.

00:47:30 ◼   ► It could be lots of other, it could be aluminum for all I care. Like aluminum was fine for

00:47:34 ◼   ► a long time and it is lighter than titanium even. So that would be fine as well. But I'm

00:47:42 ◼   ► very glad they switched away from steel. I do know that like apparently they switched

00:47:45 ◼   ► two to titanium and some of the structural change they made inside I think were actually

00:47:49 ◼   ► part of the problem with the thermals. And I believe that they, that's part of why they

00:47:53 ◼   ► had to revise them for the 16 line next week. But overall it does feel very good in the

00:47:59 ◼   ► hand. It feels great. So I love the overall design of it with the exception that I think

00:48:05 ◼   ► the colors were garbage for the profile. Like I got the natural gray one which I thought,

00:48:10 ◼   ► I don't know, last fall I was kind of in a gray mood and I thought this is going to be

00:48:14 ◼   ► cool and different. And no, it's just gray.

00:48:16 ◼   ► I don't know, I slightly disagree with you there. It is just gray, but I do think it's

00:48:20 ◼   ► cool gray, like a neat gray. But I do mostly agree with you. If you'll permit me to just

00:48:26 ◼   ► carry on since I've already interrupted you. With regard to the 15 Pro Max, I don't hate

00:48:34 ◼   ► the size. I don't hate the size and I do like having a little more real estate. It turns

00:48:39 ◼   ► out that if you have a phone this big and your hands aren't freakishly large, a pop

00:48:42 ◼   ► socket is pretty much compulsory. I have been thinking long and hard about what I will do

00:48:48 ◼   ► if the Tetra Prism 5x lens comes to the Pro but not Pro Max phone. So if the iPhone 16

00:48:55 ◼   ► Pro gets the 5x lens, sitting here now, I think I'm going to go back to the smaller

00:49:00 ◼   ► one with the human size one.

00:49:02 ◼   ► That'll be the test actually because right now you're like, oh, the big phone, it's annoying,

00:49:06 ◼   ► but it's nice to have more screen with that. You're really going to find out how much you

00:49:09 ◼   ► care about that screen when you go back to a smaller one. That's what you're going to

00:49:12 ◼   ► notice. If you don't know this, it takes you a day to find it, whatever. But if you look

00:49:16 ◼   ► at that screen and you're like, I'm so used to seeing so much more stuff or in this app,

00:49:19 ◼   ► I could see a whole other column of whatevers, that's going to really hurt you. So you may,

00:49:23 ◼   ► we'll see if you've irrevocably become one of the giant phone people or whether you were

00:49:28 ◼   ► just a tourist in their land.

00:49:30 ◼   ► Right. And sitting here now, I think I was just a tourist, but I say that with little

00:49:34 ◼   ► to no conviction. And the thing that frustrates me so about the big phone is that for my hands,

00:49:41 ◼   ► for my body, it's really not a one handed phone for anything more than swiping vertically.

00:49:47 ◼   ► And even still, if I'm using one hand, I must have the pop socket out. And I actually have

00:49:52 ◼   ► come around on the pop socket. I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I, but I think in

00:49:55 ◼   ► a perfect world, I would rather go back down to the standard size phone, presumably stop

00:50:02 ◼   ► using a pop socket. I mean, we'll see what happens. And being able to use my phone one

00:50:07 ◼   ► handed because it really is uncomfortable to use these giant phones one handed. And,

00:50:12 ◼   ► and I just really disliked that. I miss being able to use my phone one handed. And I think

00:50:16 ◼   ► what would happen is I would get the smaller phone. If this is the way I go, I'll get the

00:50:20 ◼   ► regular size phone and I'll say, man, I do miss that screen, but, Oh boy, is it nice

00:50:26 ◼   ► to be able to use my phone one handed again. And so I think ultimately that's going to

00:50:30 ◼   ► win the day, but we'll see what happens now, now that I've shown that I can show myself,

00:50:35 ◼   ► that is that I can handle a big phone. If there is some sort of big phone only feature

00:50:40 ◼   ► that I feel interested in, like compelled by, then I'll just stick with the big phone.

00:50:45 ◼   ► Now the current rumors are that I don't think that's going to be the case, but if it is,

00:50:50 ◼   ► I don't think I would like begrudge for lack of a better word, you know, getting another

00:50:53 ◼   ► big phone, but sitting here today, I don't think that's what I want to do. That being

00:50:58 ◼   ► said, the 5x lens, I am very glad that I went for it and that I got it. There are definitely

00:51:04 ◼   ► times that I want to be between two and five for sure. And I think Marco, you were not

00:51:09 ◼   ► whining about this. That's not the word I'm looking for either, but you were, you were

00:51:11 ◼   ► concerned about this before it came out. And I think it's a valid concern. There are definitely

00:51:16 ◼   ► times that I want an in between and in a perfect world, I would want, you know, one or one

00:51:21 ◼   ► half, one, two, three, and five. And I know that's nuts and that's not going to happen,

00:51:26 ◼   ► but that would be excellent. But I, I stand by getting the big phone for the 5x lens.

00:51:31 ◼   ► I really do feel like it gives me reach in scenarios that I wouldn't have gotten nearly

00:51:36 ◼   ► as good a shot otherwise. And I don't want to give that up. So if for some reason the

00:51:41 ◼   ► regular size phone doesn't get the tetra prism lens, I will almost certainly stick with the

00:51:45 ◼   ► big phone. Having never had a big phone before, a lot of people would say that, oh, the battery

00:51:51 ◼   ► life is infinite. Not unlike the Apple watch ultra, you know, battery life is forever.

00:51:55 ◼   ► It's amazing. No, or at least not in my experience. I don't feel like it's demonstrably better

00:52:01 ◼   ► than the regular size phones. Maybe I'm using my phone now more now. Maybe I'm a banana.

00:52:07 ◼   ► I mean, maybe I'm off my rocker. I don't know, but I don't feel like the battery life was

00:52:12 ◼   ► night and day better. I really don't. But I do think to echo what Marco said, Marco

00:52:19 ◼   ► said the USB-C four thumbs up from me. I, the, the titanium two thumbs up. I do think

00:52:27 ◼   ► that the natural titanium is a good color, but I concur that the rest of the colors stink

00:52:31 ◼   ► and it looks like they're only going to get worse. Um, but yeah, I mean all in all, I

00:52:36 ◼   ► really do like these phones a lot. I really have enjoyed it. The one thing I will say,

00:52:40 ◼   ► I will say again, and I've said this for the last several years, the front screen is too

00:52:47 ◼   ► easily scratched. It is. I scratched the snot out of this thing. I have no idea how it's

00:52:52 ◼   ► so badly scratched that I am genuinely thinking I might become one of those lunatics.

00:52:57 ◼   ► It puts a screen protector on their phone because this thing is scratched to hell and

00:53:01 ◼   ► I hate that. I hate it. And normally I would just go to Apple and use my Apple cares, you

00:53:06 ◼   ► know, a repair incident and I'll probably try to do it to see if they'll do it. But

00:53:11 ◼   ► last time I tried this, they were like, oh, it's not damaged enough. Tough nuts. And I'm

00:53:14 ◼   ► just barely honest enough that I don't just throw the thing on the ground in front of

00:53:18 ◼   ► them and say, how about now? It is definitely a weird incentive they've created. I'm saying,

00:53:24 ◼   ► um, I didn't do that last year. I don't plan on doing it this year, but, um, but it is

00:53:29 ◼   ► very tempting. Sounds like somebody might need a phone pouch. No, I hear you scratching

00:53:34 ◼   ► your screen. How is this happening? How are you still using a phone pouch? What year is

00:53:39 ◼   ► this? Casey needs to be. I'm not using one. I have one scratch on my screen. It is very

00:53:44 ◼   ► small and I've had this phone for two years, right? I don't know what you're doing. Unless

00:53:48 ◼   ► you're going to have someone to follow you around with the camera to find out what you're

00:53:50 ◼   ► doing is you stick your phone into your pocket full of sand. Maybe you need a pouch. Yeah,

00:53:54 ◼   ► I genuinely don't know. And these are not small scratches. Like one of them is horrible.

00:53:58 ◼   ► Semi horizontally. I'm saying, are you putting it in your pocket with keys? No, I don't.

00:54:03 ◼   ► It's gotta be me. I'm not saying it's not my fault, but darned if I know what it was.

00:54:08 ◼   ► And I've been rolling mostly caseless this year because I never really found a case I

00:54:13 ◼   ► loved. I adored, what was it? The peel case. I think we talked about this one. It was new.

00:54:17 ◼   ► I adored the peel case, but they had a cutout for the action button, which I could not abide.

00:54:23 ◼   ► And to the best of my knowledge, they never revised it. Like what was the one that they

00:54:27 ◼   ► sent out? Like a, that was peak design. I actually, that's the one I've been using the

00:54:30 ◼   ► last few months. Yeah. And I have nothing against the peak design case. It's just, oh,

00:54:34 ◼   ► it's great. Honestly, I really loved the peel case so very much, but I could not abide the

00:54:38 ◼   ► lack of anything for the action button. Um, but I will say in the defense of the glass

00:54:44 ◼   ► and actually David, David shop in the chat just reminded me of this. Uh, I have dropped

00:54:49 ◼   ► this thing case free a handful of times, not dramatically, but a handful of times in cases

00:54:55 ◼   ► where I was in situations where I was like, oh, here we go. Oh, well at least I'll get

00:54:59 ◼   ► a new screen now. But, um, but I've, I've dropped it by accident a handful of times

00:55:03 ◼   ► and it's been no worse for wear, which I do appreciate, but golly, can I please have a

00:55:08 ◼   ► less scratch prone screen? And I think, I think this trade off is the one Apple would

00:55:12 ◼   ► say is the right one. It's better to people because you've seen people use screens that

00:55:16 ◼   ► are just destroyed. So people's tolerance for using screens that are messed up is great,

00:55:21 ◼   ► but shattering is over a lot of people's limits. So the trade off is essentially you can make

00:55:26 ◼   ► it more scratch proof, but then it's going to be more prone to shattering. And so Apple,

00:55:30 ◼   ► the bounce Apple has chosen is it's going to get a bunch of little hairline scratches

00:55:34 ◼   ► all over it if you do whatever the hell Casey's doing, but it will be more resistant to full

00:55:39 ◼   ► blown shattering when you drop it. And despite the fact that that might annoy some of us

00:55:44 ◼   ► too, like if you're very careful with your phone, a harder screen that was more scratch

00:55:47 ◼   ► resistant, it would be better for you. But hell, I've dropped my phone plenty of times.

00:55:51 ◼   ► It's dropped off my nightstand onto a wooden floor plenty of times. I've dropped it off

00:55:55 ◼   ► the dining room table onto a wooden floor. Like it hasn't been here in a case, aren't

00:55:58 ◼   ► you? Yeah, I'm in a case, but you know, like you could still get unlucky with the, with

00:56:01 ◼   ► the way it falls in that situation. So I've dropped it enough times that I'm glad that

00:56:05 ◼   ► it is as shadow resistant as it is. I mean, I am glad it's shatter resistant for sure,

00:56:10 ◼   ► but and I do think you're right that this is a problem I can fix with the screen protector

00:56:13 ◼   ► and I think the more I think about it and the more I talk about it, the more I think

00:56:17 ◼   ► I am, I am probably gonna not have to, but choose to do that for the next one. So if

00:56:22 ◼   ► you have a screen protector recommendation that you swear by, please reach out via Mastodon.

00:56:26 ◼   ► Don't email us cause we're, it's too much to email please. But I would love to hear

00:56:30 ◼   ► from Mastodon or threads for that matter, a screen protector that you enjoy and a clean

00:56:34 ◼   ► room for Casey to apply it in. Yeah, well pretty much. Some of them have gotten like

00:56:38 ◼   ► really advanced at like, so like the, when you order most like, you know, decent brand

00:56:42 ◼   ► ones now, they come with basically little like kits that like you like, you like lay

00:56:47 ◼   ► it on in this like plastic cradle and you like flip this thing right down exactly the

00:56:52 ◼   ► right angle. Like they get really, uh, pretty, pretty complicated to try to do it right.

00:56:57 ◼   ► They're trying to help you as best they can because they know it's a difficult thing to

00:57:00 ◼   ► do. But if you're doing in a, in a like a house full of cat dander or something, you're

00:57:04 ◼   ► kind of fighting uphill battle. I've actually heard you're often better off having either,

00:57:09 ◼   ► sometimes the Apple store will have people who are willing to do it for you if you buy

00:57:13 ◼   ► it there. But I don't even know if they still sell screen protectors there, but I think

00:57:15 ◼   ► Best Buy does it too or something like that. This is a skilled labor thing. Yeah. Like

00:57:19 ◼   ► even like mall kiosks that sell phone accessories will often do it for you for some small fee.

00:57:25 ◼   ► And usually like I would actually suggest maybe trying that option because yeah, as

00:57:31 ◼   ► John said, like, you know, when you buy one and try to apply it, you've done, you're doing

00:57:34 ◼   ► this in your house with whatever conditions you can best approximate that are actually

00:57:39 ◼   ► somewhat near maybe being ideal, but not quite ideal. And you're going to do what, two of

00:57:44 ◼   ► these a year at most, you know, so like you're not going to have the, you know, the experience

00:57:48 ◼   ► and the, the finesse of somebody who's doing it like 10 times a day. On the other hand,

00:57:53 ◼   ► you will care much more than they will. If you're the type of person who's getting a

00:57:55 ◼   ► screen protector because you can't send even a single scratch on your screen, have fun

00:57:59 ◼   ► in dealing with that single speck of dust that did get under there. I mean, you're not

00:58:03 ◼   ► wrong, but well, this is a problem for Casey in a week or two. It's not a problem for Casey

00:58:06 ◼   ► today. Uh, but yeah, grand scheme of things. Uh, I've really enjoyed this phone and for

00:58:12 ◼   ► no other reason, I think I would be all in because of USB-C and everything else was just

00:58:16 ◼   ► a bonus. You didn't even mention the iPhone playing iPhone 15. And I want to say that

00:58:20 ◼   ► I think this year is one of the rare cases where Apple seems to have gotten caught with

00:58:24 ◼   ► their pants down a little bit by the AI thing. They shipped a line of phones to 15 and the

00:58:28 ◼   ► 15 pro seemingly without realizing that that 15 wouldn't be able to run next year's headlining

00:58:35 ◼   ► feature. They're going to ship, maybe they won't ship it by then because they're not

00:58:38 ◼   ► shipping Apple intelligence, but they could, they could have ended up shipping Apple intelligence

00:58:41 ◼   ► that wouldn't work on their latest non-pro phone if they had actually shipped Apple intelligence

00:58:45 ◼   ► before the new phones came out. Like it's, I think it's unprecedented for a one year

00:58:49 ◼   ► old phone not to be able to run the headlining feature of the next OS that came out after

00:58:56 ◼   ► it a year later. And I just have to think it's because they didn't think that, oh, we

00:59:00 ◼   ► can cheap out on the RAM on the 15. Well, it's a big deal. The iPhones got plenty of

00:59:03 ◼   ► RAM. We're well within limits blah, blah, blah. And here comes AI and LLMs using all

00:59:07 ◼   ► your RAM. I will look back on this line, the 15 and 50 pro and always remember it as the

00:59:12 ◼   ► year where the non-pro phone had this crippling disability that was, you know, that could

00:59:19 ◼   ► have been prevented with being a little bit more generous with RAM, but it wasn't. And

00:59:23 ◼   ► it put Apple in this strange, somewhat uncomfortable position of having to tell people who just

00:59:27 ◼   ► bought a brand new phone last year that, yeah, you can't run Apple intelligence.

00:59:31 ◼   ► I think that speaks to just how far ahead iPhone components are planned. Like, and how

00:59:38 ◼   ► recently relatively speaking Apple realized they had to get it on the LLM game. Because,

00:59:44 ◼   ► you know, the iPhone 15 non-pro components were probably a lock like what, two years

00:59:49 ◼   ► ago maybe? Like, you know, it's, we know they have pretty long timelines for a lot of that

00:59:53 ◼   ► stuff. And so they probably started Apple intelligence shortly after that was decided

01:00:00 ◼   ► or around the same time, maybe they didn't know yet when they started doing LLM research

01:00:05 ◼   ► and development. Maybe they didn't realize like, we're definitely going to need X gigs

01:00:09 ◼   ► of RAM to run this thing. You know, that was probably too early to know that. And a lot

01:00:14 ◼   ► of Apple's efforts over the last year or two, like they've actually open sourced some things

01:00:19 ◼   ► and published papers about compressing LLMs to fit in smaller amounts of RAM. They've

01:00:26 ◼   ► done a lot of work in the area. Why? We're seeing it now. This is why they care so much

01:00:31 ◼   ► about that.

01:00:32 ◼   ► Yeah, I think they are barely fitting it in the 8 gig phones. Like, it's been a lot of

01:00:37 ◼   ► hard work to get it to fit in the 8 gig phones. And you can argue whether they were, you know,

01:00:40 ◼   ► late to the game on LLM or because the lead time is so long they just couldn't help it.

01:00:44 ◼   ► But this is another side effect of always being stingy with RAM. It's the unforeseen

01:00:49 ◼   ► thing, right? It's like, we don't need this. Why would we ever give ourselves any kind

01:00:53 ◼   ► of buffer? Let's cut it as close as we possibly can, save every penny because why would we

01:00:59 ◼   ► give any excess RAM if we think the low end phone doesn't need that? We want to provide

01:01:04 ◼   ► product differentiation. And the answer is, you never know when something might come along

01:01:09 ◼   ► that makes your stinginess hurt you more than your stinginess is currently helping you.

01:01:13 ◼   ► Apple would probably argue, well, we're stingy 90% of the time and we only lose out on it

01:01:17 ◼   ► 10% of the time, so it's still a win. But, you know, I still think that being that stingy

01:01:24 ◼   ► with RAM, like setting aside the AI thing, we've always said, when we talk about the

01:01:28 ◼   ► Macs selling them with too little RAM and having people upgrade or whatever, you want

01:01:32 ◼   ► to give your users a better experience. And in general, more RAM gives a better experience.

01:01:37 ◼   ► There are so many things more RAM does for you. Even on the 15 Pro, the fact that they

01:01:41 ◼   ► had to work so hard to get Apple intelligence into 8 gigs, that was their highest end phone.

01:01:46 ◼   ► Even on that one, they could have still provided differentiation and given the Pro 10 and the

01:01:51 ◼   ► non-Pro 8 instead of 8 and 6. Anyway, they seem to have snapped out of that with the

01:01:56 ◼   ► 16s, which are rumored to all have the same amount of RAM, and the 17s are rumored to

01:01:59 ◼   ► all have even more RAM, so we'll see how this goes. But this is, you know, like I said,

01:02:04 ◼   ► I'm going to remember the 15, 15 Pro line with this one specific fact. Marco will remember

01:02:08 ◼   ► it for USB-C and I will remember it for the time that the non-Pro phone got left behind

01:02:13 ◼   ► prematurely.

01:02:14 ◼   ► Well, and to be clear, it isn't only about being cheap when they limit the amount of

01:02:17 ◼   ► RAM in phones. That is certainly part of it and that's probably not a trivial part. But

01:02:22 ◼   ► it's also about battery life. RAM takes power. Like just having a certain amount of RAM,

01:02:26 ◼   ► you have to be applying power to that part of the chip even if it's not using that RAM

01:02:32 ◼   ► for anything. Like even if it's, you know, marked as free by the OS, you're still powering

01:02:36 ◼   ► that chip to a certain base level. That's how DRAM works. So, and forgive me for experts

01:02:41 ◼   ► in the field if I'm dramatically oversimplifying or if there's a whole bunch of asterisks on

01:02:44 ◼   ► that now, there probably are. But in general, you don't want to put a whole bunch of RAM

01:02:48 ◼   ► into something that's as battery-contrained as a phone if you're not sure you're going

01:02:51 ◼   ► to use it because it does take battery.

01:02:54 ◼   ► No, but it's like, again, this is the Pro line, you know. You can give them a little

01:02:59 ◼   ► bit more which allows you to give the non-Pro line eight which apparently is okay, you know,

01:03:03 ◼   ► because the Pros got eight and their battery life is okay with an even hungrier SOC, right?

01:03:07 ◼   ► So the 15, the plain 15 would also have been fine with eight. Like you're right, it does

01:03:10 ◼   ► take more RAM but we're not asking for double. We're not asking double the RAM. Just a little

01:03:14 ◼   ► bit more. Just give yourself a little bit of headroom. Just don't be as stingy. You

01:03:17 ◼   ► can still be stingy but just not quite as stingy because you never know when that's

01:03:22 ◼   ► going to pay off.

01:03:23 ◼   ► All right.

01:03:24 ◼   ► All right. Apple Watch.

01:03:25 ◼   ► So, Apple Watch Series 9. I don't have a lot to say about the Series 9 except that I have

01:03:33 ◼   ► found the double tap gesture which was one of its new headlining features to be fairly

01:03:39 ◼   ► bad. I don't think it is fast enough or reliable enough to be useful. I have tried it over

01:03:46 ◼   ► the last year many times. My hit rate with getting it to be recognized is low and even

01:03:53 ◼   ► when it is recognized, it takes a decent amount of extra time that you have to be still having

01:03:58 ◼   ► the watch be like raised up and looking out so the screen stays on and then it shows a

01:04:03 ◼   ► little animation to confirm that it understood your tap. It just feels very slow and I have

01:04:11 ◼   ► just mostly resorted to nose tapping the way I always have if I have to be one handed to

01:04:15 ◼   ► dismiss something because it is just faster and literally more reliable. It is more reliable

01:04:20 ◼   ► for me to lift up the watch to my nose and tap it and hit the right spot on the screen

01:04:24 ◼   ► than trying the double tap finger gesture. So, I don't know if that's just me but I have

01:04:29 ◼   ► found generally the double tap is really not very useful.

01:04:33 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean I have a Series 8 and so this is going to be a very expensive September

01:04:39 ◼   ► for us because we are going watch and phone. We are on a two year plan on watches and a

01:04:44 ◼   ► one year plan on phones. I feel like my complaints about the watch are the same as they ever

01:04:53 ◼   ► were which is to say the battery life is just straight up trash at this point.

01:04:59 ◼   ► Really I don't find that. Mine is a lot younger obviously, it's a year younger but I find

01:05:04 ◼   ► the battery life on the Series 9 is great but I also didn't have any problems with the

01:05:08 ◼   ► Series 8.

01:05:09 ◼   ► Well that's the thing is I think a year worth of Apple Watch battery is fine in my personal

01:05:14 ◼   ► experience. Two years, not so fine. That's been a real bugbear for me to the point that

01:05:22 ◼   ► between Marco's friendly brow beating and also my friend in Richmond, Brad, just got

01:05:29 ◼   ► a month or two ago, got an Apple Watch Ultra 2 or whatever the current one is and he will

01:05:35 ◼   ► not shut up about how good the battery life is on this thing. And at this point I think

01:05:42 ◼   ► I am probably going to hold out until whenever the next Ultra update is. And if that's next

01:05:48 ◼   ► week perfect. That'd be preferred but if not I will try to hold out as long as I can and

01:05:53 ◼   ► if I can't I'll probably just commit to the existing one. But it's been so frustrating

01:05:57 ◼   ► and if I don't top off my watch at some point during the day it will typically die sometime

01:06:02 ◼   ► after dinner and I'm just sick of it. I'm just over it. Now also part of this is also

01:06:06 ◼   ► influenced by the fact that I have the little watch. I have the 40 millimeter or whatever

01:06:11 ◼   ► the little one is.

01:06:12 ◼   ► Yeah or 41 I think for you.

01:06:13 ◼   ► Yeah I forget what it is now or what it was in Series 8 but I'm just sick of it. I'm sick

01:06:17 ◼   ► of always having to worry about my watch's battery life and so next time it's going to

01:06:22 ◼   ► be an Ultra.

01:06:23 ◼   ► So I'll come back to that in a second. The only thing I wanted to say about the watch

01:06:27 ◼   ► Series 9 specifically is that they removed the option for titanium with the Series 9

01:06:36 ◼   ► and I wish they didn't and I hope for the Series 10 they bring back a titanium option

01:06:42 ◼   ► for the non-Ultra watch. It was a bit like the titanium edition watch was not that much

01:06:48 ◼   ► more money than a steel one. It was really nice. It was lighter. I think it looked more

01:06:53 ◼   ► refined. It had like a nice brushed finish. Like it looked really nice. It felt really

01:06:57 ◼   ► nice on the wrist. It was a way to have a little bit more subtle and a little bit lighter

01:07:02 ◼   ► watch than the steel without going down in quality on things like the crystal that you

01:07:06 ◼   ► have to do when you get the aluminum one. The aluminum one looks like aluminum. You

01:07:11 ◼   ► know it looks fine but it doesn't look nice. The steel and the titanium both look very

01:07:15 ◼   ► nice and the titanium I think was a little bit nicer of a look between the two and again

01:07:19 ◼   ► I think it felt better. Also Apple watches tend to function better the lighter they are.

01:07:24 ◼   ► The taptic engine is more feelable. It moves on your wrist better. It sets on your wrist

01:07:28 ◼   ► better so I really hope they bring back titanium as an option on the Series 10 or whatever

01:07:34 ◼   ► they're going to call it. Series X, Series 10, whatever.

01:07:36 ◼   ► Before you move on and if you'd rather table this for later we certainly can but I would

01:07:41 ◼   ► also be curious to hear what the status is of Adam's Apple Watch and I don't remember

01:07:45 ◼   ► what generation that is but we've been kicking around the idea of getting Declan one for

01:07:50 ◼   ► an upcoming birthday and I'd be curious to hear what your year or two on review is of

01:07:56 ◼   ► that.

01:07:58 ◼   ► The original one that we got him a few years back now was an SE, the first gen watch SE.

01:08:04 ◼   ► We replaced it a couple years back with I think a Series 5 or 6 that I'd gotten Amazon

01:08:11 ◼   ► refurbished or renewed or whatever they call it for fairly cheap. He doesn't wear it currently

01:08:17 ◼   ► anymore because the school banned them. I guess kids have figured out how to put notes

01:08:22 ◼   ► in your Apple Watch to cheat on tests so they banned them. So he hasn't worn it in a long

01:08:27 ◼   ► time. It's been sitting in a drawer. It's probably fairly dead now but anyway. For now

01:08:33 ◼   ► he's just not using a watch and I don't know when or if that will return but we'll find

01:08:37 ◼   ► out.

01:08:40 ◼   ► So going back to what I'm hoping for for the Series 10. So number one, titanium option.

01:08:47 ◼   ► And just for the record here I'm not talking about software at all right now. I think the

01:08:51 ◼   ► Apple Watch, the watch OS X redesign changed a lot of things. I still am not super sold

01:08:57 ◼   ► on some of the watch OS X changes and placements and buttons and gestures and things like that.

01:09:03 ◼   ► I'm still getting everything wrong all the time. I'm still pushing the wrong buttons or

01:09:05 ◼   ► swiping the wrong edge to do things that I didn't want to do but maybe that's just me.

01:09:10 ◼   ► And of course I always have opinions on watch faces. But going back to just the hardware,

01:09:15 ◼   ► I really hope again titanium option on the non-ultra Series. Please bring that back.

01:09:21 ◼   ► It was so nice. I'm also always hoping for, I guess this is kind of software, sorry. I

01:09:27 ◼   ► want display zoom on the Apple Watch. As you may know my vision is slowly getting worse

01:09:32 ◼   ► at close distances as I proceed through middle age. I use reading glasses for close up reading

01:09:37 ◼   ► of things sometimes. I'm not always wearing my reading glasses because I'm not always

01:09:42 ◼   ► reading. So I have found as my vision has gotten slowly worse at like short arm distance,

01:09:50 ◼   ► very small complications and very small text in complications like say the timer complication

01:09:56 ◼   ► which I use frequently is getting a little hard to read. Now iPhones have many different

01:10:02 ◼   ► accessibility technologies for font sizing and UI sizing and different visual accommodations.

01:10:09 ◼   ► The watch has almost none which is surprising. There is dynamic type on the watch which is

01:10:15 ◼   ► the global text size setting but it doesn't affect that many things on the watch. They

01:10:20 ◼   ► also on the phones have this thing called display zoom where that's the mode where when

01:10:24 ◼   ► you set up your phone, I don't know if it still does this on all phones, but during

01:10:27 ◼   ► that set up process it will ask you do you want things to be this size or this size and

01:10:33 ◼   ► what it does is basically scale the entire screen up to simulate the field of view of

01:10:40 ◼   ► the next size smaller phone that existed or exists. So if you have a pro max and you pick

01:10:47 ◼   ► that option it will basically just blow up the screen dimensions of a pro into the pro

01:10:53 ◼   ► max screen so you get everything scaled up perfectly the same way you would do like a

01:10:57 ◼   ► resolution change on a monitor on a computer. I want the watch to get that ability so that

01:11:03 ◼   ► it can scale up everything, complications, the faces, everything when you have a larger

01:11:09 ◼   ► model watch to simulate the screen size of a smaller model watch blown up to its new

01:11:15 ◼   ► size. I think that would be a great visual accommodation for people whose close-up vision

01:11:20 ◼   ► is not that good or whose vision in general is not that good because again dynamic text

01:11:25 ◼   ► on the watch is just not very well supported, doesn't go very far and doesn't include

01:11:30 ◼   ► almost anything on the watch face. So I would love to see that as an option. Again that

01:11:35 ◼   ► is a software thing but maybe it's requiring a certain GPU or whatever and of course the

01:11:40 ◼   ► rumored larger screens that might be coming might make that easier to pull off and make

01:11:45 ◼   ► it better of a feature. Before we get to the screens I'll get there but I'm hoping

01:11:52 ◼   ► they found a way to keep the blood oxygen sensor. This is not a sensor I use frequently

01:11:55 ◼   ► but it's nice to have it and we've had it and I think whatever they need to work out

01:11:59 ◼   ► with Massimo to license that tech, that patent, I think they should just do it.

01:12:03 ◼   ► Yeah that is true. I am going to be really annoyed just in principle if the hardware

01:12:10 ◼   ► at least for the blood oxygen sensor is not on whatever these new watches are. I'll

01:12:16 ◼   ► be lightly annoyed if it remains disabled which I expect it to but I'll be really

01:12:21 ◼   ► annoyed if it's incapable, you know if this patent dispute ever gets fixed, if it's

01:12:25 ◼   ► incapable of doing any testing or measuring that's going to really chat my butt.

01:12:29 ◼   ► Yeah, so again it's a minor feature, it's not going to be the end of the world if I

01:12:33 ◼   ► lose it but I just don't want to lose it like over Apple being BSE about patent licensing

01:12:39 ◼   ► and I understand we all hate patents and they tried so hard but you know you lost, let's

01:12:44 ◼   ► move on. The only other thing I'll get to for the hardware before we get to the screens

01:12:49 ◼   ► is I really really hope that the Apple Watch Series 10 supports Qi charging finally. Qi

01:12:57 ◼   ► 2 as a standard I believe accommodates small enough devices that I believe the Apple Watch

01:13:04 ◼   ► could be charged via Qi 2 if the watch wanted to support it. So I'm hoping, because again

01:13:10 ◼   ► like going back to our charging delights and paper cuts earlier with USB-C, I have now

01:13:18 ◼   ► one cable and one port for everything except the Apple Watch and so yeah you know you can

01:13:24 ◼   ► get like combo chargers that have like a special Apple Watch pad off to the side but you know

01:13:29 ◼   ► it's much more common, batteries and chargers and stuff that just have a Qi pad and USB-C

01:13:34 ◼   ► holes so I would love to just have Qi support. Let me buy a battery from Anker or whatever

01:13:40 ◼   ► on Amazon that has a USB-C output and a standard Qi pad and then I can put whatever I want

01:13:46 ◼   ► there. An AirPods case, a second phone or an Apple Watch while traveling, that would

01:13:51 ◼   ► be really nice and again I think Qi 2 has added what is necessary to make that work

01:13:57 ◼   ► so I'm hoping for that. Now about the screen sizes on the watch, there's been all these

01:14:03 ◼   ► rumors that the watch regular series is growing, that there is going to be you know that basically

01:14:11 ◼   ► the current small version which I believe is 41mm or 42mm, that is going to go away

01:14:16 ◼   ► and it's going to basically like that both of them are going to be going up in size by

01:14:20 ◼   ► a decent amount. I think this is going to be a good move overall. You know we've said

01:14:27 ◼   ► over time that Apple has done a really good job satisfying the market for smaller watches

01:14:32 ◼   ► way better than most of the smart watch makers have ever achieved it but watch fashion and

01:14:39 ◼   ► the smart watch market have changed since the Apple Watch was introduced 10 years ago

01:14:44 ◼   ► and this happens. Like in the watch world the sizing of how big like a standard and

01:14:52 ◼   ► watches historically were very gendered so there were like certain sizes of like alright

01:14:56 ◼   ► women's watches are going to be this size range for the most part and women's watches

01:14:59 ◼   ► are going to be this size range. Fortunately in the era of smart watches first of all a

01:15:04 ◼   ► lot of the gendering has gone away to the point where now like you know you don't if

01:15:09 ◼   ► you buy the small watch people don't say that's the women's version like it's just the small

01:15:12 ◼   ► watch and the big one women can wear it and no one's going to say you're wearing a man's

01:15:16 ◼   ► watch like thank god we've gotten rid of all that you know BS. Also since the smart watch

01:15:21 ◼   ► era has really taken off over the last decade demand for large watches has gone up and which

01:15:28 ◼   ► is funny because in the regular watch world like the mechanical watch world watches had

01:15:33 ◼   ► gotten very big then they kind of started going back a little bit they're actually getting

01:15:37 ◼   ► a little bit smaller now but smart watches are going the other way. Part of the reason

01:15:42 ◼   ► so many people bought the Apple Watch Ultra is not because they were going to be climbing

01:15:45 ◼   ► a mountain and then diving into 200 meters of water like it's because they liked the

01:15:50 ◼   ► bigger look and that's for both functional reasons yes it has you know better battery

01:15:55 ◼   ► life bigger screen that's great for smart watches but also big watches are just in fashion

01:16:00 ◼   ► right now. Really huge smart watches are in style and most people that I see are not wearing

01:16:07 ◼   ► the small one anymore. I see a lot of people of a lot of different sizes and ages and I

01:16:12 ◼   ► don't see many people choosing that smaller Apple Watch anymore. Meanwhile if you look

01:16:18 ◼   ► at the smart watch market the the current quote big series 9 that's the one I wear that's

01:16:24 ◼   ► someone I think Casey probably should be wearing the big one relative to other smart watches

01:16:31 ◼   ► in the market is actually fairly medium-sized. Many other smart watches in the market are

01:16:35 ◼   ► actually significantly bigger. What the Ultra's success I think showed Apple and showed the

01:16:40 ◼   ► market is is that yes a lot of people choose it because of those technical factors but

01:16:45 ◼   ► a lot of people also just like big watches. Big watches are in especially smart watch

01:16:51 ◼   ► big big smart watches that is just in fashion right now. So if Apple is truly getting rid

01:16:56 ◼   ► of the smallest size and making them both bigger I think that's not because they're

01:17:02 ◼   ► abandoning the market for small watches I bet it's more because the market abandoned

01:17:06 ◼   ► theirs the market probably moved on and has not been buying the small watch very much

01:17:11 ◼   ► at all. And I think people of all wrist sizes have been choosing bigger smart watches over

01:17:17 ◼   ► the last few years way more than they used to. So I think this is just Apple responding

01:17:21 ◼   ► to the market and wanting to serve where the demand actually is. They did the same thing

01:17:26 ◼   ► with phones and phone sizes growing over time this is that they're doing the same thing

01:17:30 ◼   ► with the watch. I think they're gonna raise the sizes of both of them and everybody will

01:17:36 ◼   ► complain about it for about a week and then we'll try them and be like oh this is nicer

01:17:40 ◼   ► yep and then it'll be fine and people will buy them like crazy especially the biggest

01:17:45 ◼   ► one way more than we think they will. So I think this is gonna be totally fine if they

01:17:50 ◼   ► increase the sizes of the watches a little bit we'll all get used to it and we'll be

01:17:53 ◼   ► fine.

01:17:54 ◼   ► All right let's do at least a little bit of Ask ATP if we can. PG&E Delenda Est. I love

01:18:00 ◼   ► people who provide these kooky usernames and no real names. Anyways Marco it's not even

01:18:05 ◼   ► Halloween for goodness sakes. Marco how hard is it to maintain server compatibility with

01:18:09 ◼   ► clients that are still going to be on the last iOS 16 or below builds of Overcast? Are

01:18:14 ◼   ► you doing that thing I'm sure there's a term for it are you doing that thing where

01:18:17 ◼   ► it's like something along the lines of API.overcast.fm/2/ you know endpoints? Okay. Yeah exactly. Did

01:18:23 ◼   ► I just ruin your answer then I'm sorry. No well so but well that is a good question though

01:18:28 ◼   ► because like at some point I do end support for the really old API protocols. How hard

01:18:34 ◼   ► it is to maintain server compatibility in general with old clients if you you know just

01:18:39 ◼   ► make a make a new copy of your API you know controller or functions or whatever and just

01:18:43 ◼   ► call this one like I'm currently on version 6. It's really not that bad. The main problem

01:18:48 ◼   ► comes when you have to do like significant changes to things like the server side schema

01:18:55 ◼   ► like how how your data is stored. I'm like so do you do you like building compatibility

01:18:59 ◼   ► layers how long do you keep those over time do certain problems occur when older versions

01:19:05 ◼   ► of the app sync that may be like clobber changes from the new versions and do you accommodate

01:19:09 ◼   ► that. Over time that complexity grows and how much you want to maintain it for a decreasing

01:19:15 ◼   ► number of clients eventually that trade-off becomes not worth it and you say all right

01:19:19 ◼   ► you know what you know in a month I'm going to cut off support for iOS 12 or whatever.

01:19:25 ◼   ► The downside of doing that of course is you know Overcast is a server dependent app and

01:19:29 ◼   ► so if the servers stop supporting a certain client version that version of the app does

01:19:35 ◼   ► not work anymore. It will not get new updates you cannot add new podcast you cannot download

01:19:39 ◼   ► new podcast like it you can't even log in like it's it will totally break that client

01:19:43 ◼   ► so I try not to do that until those clients are very old. In this case you know the the

01:19:49 ◼   ► the specifics of the new API for the rewrite the protocol with which the clients speak

01:19:57 ◼   ► to the server and vice versa has totally changed. It's way lighter on the servers it's way

01:20:03 ◼   ► more efficient the old protocol was very hard on the servers and so you would think I would

01:20:08 ◼   ► have a pretty substantial incentive to end support soon for the old ones but because

01:20:15 ◼   ► the numbers drop off so fast for like how like there's not like in in you know a month

01:20:20 ◼   ► or two there's going to be a big chunk of those iOS 16 only people that fall off because

01:20:25 ◼   ► they replace their phones. Even though the old protocol is way less efficient and way

01:20:29 ◼   ► harder on the servers I don't have much incentive to end its support anytime soon because it's

01:20:34 ◼   ► going to be such a tiny percentage of the user base that's going to be holding on to

01:20:37 ◼   ► it. So that'll probably be supported for a while you know we're talking probably years

01:20:43 ◼   ► multiple years because again there's just there's not much reason to end it yet eventually

01:20:47 ◼   ► there will be but the protocol is mostly what has changed not the data storage layer and

01:20:54 ◼   ► some of the things I'm doing I'm trying over time to push more of the logic that would

01:21:00 ◼   ► that was previously server-side logic push more of it to the clients where possible in

01:21:05 ◼   ► part just to lighten the load on the servers and in part because sometimes that's just

01:21:08 ◼   ► way easier to do on the client or I can offer better features if I do a client-side. So

01:21:12 ◼   ► for instance the the current test flight build I have fixed a problem with the episode limit

01:21:20 ◼   ► not being enforced. I've had this option forever of like you know you can you can limit a podcast

01:21:24 ◼   ► only keep the latest you know one or two or five episodes of that podcast. This feature

01:21:31 ◼   ► if I was launching a new podcast out today I would never offer this feature. It is so

01:21:36 ◼   ► tricky and problematic and that has been enforced server-side to date. This new test flight

01:21:42 ◼   ► build enforces a client-side and that's part of why it's fixed for a lot of people because

01:21:47 ◼   ► doing it server-side because there's all sorts of differences I'll get into a very brief

01:21:52 ◼   ► diversion here. The problem is the way the servers servers have to deal with data in

01:21:58 ◼   ► very different ways they have to deal with scale in very different ways. So when you

01:22:03 ◼   ► as a user when you subscribe to a podcast the what you see suppose you subscribe to

01:22:08 ◼   ► a new podcast that has a thousand episodes in it back in its feed you subscribe you now

01:22:12 ◼   ► have in your app a thousand episodes that you don't have any history with and then a

01:22:18 ◼   ► new one comes out and maybe you play that one. Well to your to your client that's a

01:22:23 ◼   ► thousand and one rows in a table most of which have all zeros in them and then you know you

01:22:28 ◼   ► have then that latest one you can mark that as your progress or your plate or whatever.

01:22:33 ◼   ► On the server if I added a thousand rows to the table that keeps track of everyone's status

01:22:40 ◼   ► of episodes every time someone subscribed to a podcast at a thousand episodes it would

01:22:45 ◼   ► take way more space and be way heavier and way more expensive to host and you know more

01:22:50 ◼   ► servers larger backups like everything data size affects cost substantially so that would

01:22:56 ◼   ► be very bad. So on the on the server I do tricks like when you subscribe to a show I

01:23:03 ◼   ► assume that the state of everything that precedes your subscription in that in that feed is

01:23:10 ◼   ► it's deleted but not played like it's just that's the default state of everything that

01:23:13 ◼   ► precedes your subscription to a new podcast if you then go back and listen to an old one

01:23:18 ◼   ► that of course I insert that row but I have this these all these optimizations in place

01:23:23 ◼   ► like okay I'm not going to add all thousand of those as new rows to this table because

01:23:27 ◼   ► again that would blow up everything. That logic wreaks havoc with episode limiting and

01:23:32 ◼   ► it's been so tricky to get it right server side. Couple years ago I even let people opt

01:23:38 ◼   ► into a beta of a new way to handle it because I thought I finally had nailed it and taken

01:23:43 ◼   ► care of all those cases and all the edges and all the weirdness that somehow would still

01:23:48 ◼   ► be efficient and would still not store nearly as much as it had to I tried so many different

01:23:52 ◼   ► ways to do this and I never got it quite right. So with the new way that the new app talks

01:23:59 ◼   ► to the servers I've developed yet more issues with doing that server side so what I'm going

01:24:05 ◼   ► to do is once this version of this app is reasonably out there that does it all client

01:24:11 ◼   ► side because again client side it's way easier to do the client has no I don't care if I

01:24:15 ◼   ► take another five kilobytes on your phone so the client can have a thousand rows in

01:24:22 ◼   ► the database when you subscribe to a feed because it's just keeping it locally it doesn't

01:24:26 ◼   ► I don't care it's a SQLite database it's super light so the client can do perfect limiting

01:24:31 ◼   ► because it has perfect information whereas the server is simulating perfect information

01:24:35 ◼   ► with a bunch of optimizations. So anyway so what I plan to do is move that logic entirely

01:24:40 ◼   ► to the client with the next release and then over time eventually tell the server to stop

01:24:45 ◼   ► even trying to do that to stop enforcing episode limits at all because that will make a lot

01:24:49 ◼   ► of things easier it'll reduce this bug potential in the app and you don't want the server trying

01:24:53 ◼   ► to do it at the same time the app is doing it so that's kind of my long term plan here

01:24:57 ◼   ► have the server stop enforcing that completely when that happens if you are still say on

01:25:03 ◼   ► an old client if all of your overcast devices that you're logged into if none of them have

01:25:07 ◼   ► the new version that does this your episode limits will just slowly increase and like

01:25:12 ◼   ► things won't get automatically deleted once they pass that limit and so things like that

01:25:18 ◼   ► like kind of weird drift will start happening if you're still using a very old version of

01:25:22 ◼   ► the API that's another reason why like eventually it does make sense to retire them because

01:25:26 ◼   ► if they start like producing weird conditions or like things that could cause bugs for other

01:25:31 ◼   ► clients you know you gotta retire them then or find a way to limit them but for the most

01:25:36 ◼   ► part because I'm moving more towards more stuff happening on the client and the server

01:25:42 ◼   ► side feature set is fairly fixed I don't intend to really do much more server side unless

01:25:49 ◼   ► we've into things like you know transcriptions but that's that's a whole other bag of worms

01:25:54 ◼   ► because of all that I expect the iOS 16 API to still work for a long time to answer your

01:25:59 ◼   ► question in a very long way.

01:26:01 ◼   ► Mark Robinson writes when a podcast says follow us on Apple podcasts it really helps the show

01:26:06 ◼   ► does listening through overcast do that as well does Apple register that follow in a

01:26:09 ◼   ► way that counts and helps the show also how does it actually help the show?

01:26:14 ◼   ► listening through overcast doesn't do anything to affect Apple podcasts or its rankings because

01:26:18 ◼   ► Apple podcast does not know that you're listening in overcast if you subscribe to a podcast

01:26:23 ◼   ► in Apple podcasts Apple does register that in some way and it does help the show it helps

01:26:30 ◼   ► the show mainly in ranking it higher and possibly helping it get on certain top lists or ranked

01:26:36 ◼   ► lists that are that are occasionally used for discovery in Apple podcasts over time

01:26:40 ◼   ► I think they're using this less in the sense that they are they're doing more kind of you

01:26:45 ◼   ► know things you might like type of recommendations rather than top list of new new and noteworthy

01:26:50 ◼   ► you know this week or whatever so I think this is mattering less over time but they

01:26:55 ◼   ► basically they they historically have used new follows as a strong signal but I think

01:27:01 ◼   ► possibly at some times I think that was actually the only signal that would feed into like

01:27:06 ◼   ► what shows up on their top hot list today it is a pretty good signal overall like how

01:27:12 ◼   ► many new follows the show getting and and for the record I actually try not to have

01:27:17 ◼   ► those kind of metrics in overcast that are global like that because it tends to reinforce

01:27:24 ◼   ► like the rich get richer so I've kind of I've moved away from most of those over time but

01:27:31 ◼   ► I but that is as far as I know that is still part of how Apple podcasts does recommendations

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01:28:11 ◼   ► now the show is over they didn't even mean to begin because it was accidental

01:28:20 ◼   ► it was accidental John didn't do any research Marco and Casey wouldn't let him because it was

01:28:30 ◼   ► accidental it was accidental and you can find the show notes at ATP.fm and if you're into Mastodon

01:28:42 ◼   ► you can follow them at c-a-s-e-y-l-i-s-s so that's Casey Lis m-a-r-c-o-a-r-m-n-t Marco Arman s-i-r-a-c-u-s-a-s-i-r-a-c-u-s-a it's accidental, it's accidental, they didn't mean too accidental, accidental.

01:29:09 ◼   ► Tech Podcast, so long.

01:29:14 ◼   ► I'm not having a good time in neutral land right now battery fault yes so remember when that battery

01:29:25 ◼   ► fault message popped up about a about a month ago oh I do and I can't believe you haven't gotten the

01:29:30 ◼   ► car serviced yet and I said at the time I I'll get it serviced as soon as I'm back off the beach for

01:29:36 ◼   ► the you know for the school year it's gonna be a pain in the butt and go you know driving all the

01:29:40 ◼   ► way to Brooklyn for the Rivian service center so I'm gonna send you two photos in a sequence here

01:29:47 ◼   ► into the slack group and I'll try to put them as chapter I say that this this this whole deal like

01:29:51 ◼   ► with EVs we don't have an established culture the way we do with internal combustion engine cars

01:29:58 ◼   ► about the various level of severity of things that can happen and I know the culture is not

01:30:04 ◼   ► consistent you'll know people who drive their car with a check engine light on forever and ever but

01:30:08 ◼   ► most people who know something about cars if the check engine light comes on it's a sign that you

01:30:13 ◼   ► should do something not like I'll do it in a few I'll look at it in a few months it's probably

01:30:17 ◼   ► fine maybe it's fine or maybe your engines about to blow up right whereas with EVs they all have

01:30:21 ◼   ► their own error messages their own things and there's no sort of universal equivalent of like

01:30:25 ◼   ► you know a light on the dashboard that we know these ones are serious you know oil pressure

01:30:31 ◼   ► drops to zero stop the car you know I mean like things that I know about internal combustion with

01:30:35 ◼   ► EVs it's like I don't know is that bad is a battery fault bad right and especially a battery fault

01:30:41 ◼   ► that only shows up when doing DC fast charging on a highway and then I reboot the car a couple times

01:30:45 ◼   ► and it doesn't show up anymore like okay I guess it's fixed right like you don't you don't you don't

01:30:50 ◼   ► have any like like a frame of reference for how how seriously should I take this since I last

01:30:55 ◼   ► reported on that I have developed a few additional problems I know so I mentioned you know the the

01:31:01 ◼   ► dramatically increased wind noise since getting the body shop to replace the side which admittedly

01:31:06 ◼   ► that's probably the body shops fault but there was wind noise before they did their work also

01:31:09 ◼   ► there was just a little bit less of it but so you know wind noise I got to get them to fix that I

01:31:14 ◼   ► had an increasing incidence of what seems like the auto steer system crashing no not literally

01:31:23 ◼   ► thank God but I guess poor choice of words but the auto steer sometimes will just turn off and

01:31:29 ◼   ► make a bunch of noise and it will say highway assist system failure that sounds like it crashed

01:31:37 ◼   ► to me but or some sensor broke so I have to have them look at that also I can no longer move the

01:31:45 ◼   ► seat of the car the driver's seat does not move unless I am switching between the two profiles

01:31:53 ◼   ► the tip profile and the me profile hope you hope you're happy with the profiles yeah it will not

01:31:58 ◼   ► move like none of the adjustments work it is just stuck like it refuses any other adjustment besides

01:32:04 ◼   ► the profile switches so if I wanted to like you know I only put it up a little bit nope can't do

01:32:08 ◼   ► that if anybody else needs to drive my car too bad if I need to move the seat back to like to

01:32:12 ◼   ► get something out from under it nope too bad which to me that might that's actually probably

01:32:18 ◼   ► like a safety issue that I should probably get fixed pretty immediately and finally I barely

01:32:27 ◼   ► have air conditioning the air conditioning it has almost completely gone out it blows very weak air

01:32:33 ◼   ► and goes through lots of times when it the fam will just like kind of slow down and it'll blow

01:32:39 ◼   ► totally hot air and then it'll go back eventually and blow slightly cold air but it's bad like today

01:32:47 ◼   ► was only in the high 70s and it couldn't keep up it was not a hot day and it could not keep up and

01:32:54 ◼   ► it was blowing warm air most of the time so the air conditioning I basically have no air conditioning

01:32:59 ◼   ► or I have almost no air conditioning so I created a support ticket in there and you know the way you

01:33:05 ◼   ► get service from Rivian is you go to their app and you like report your problems you can attach

01:33:10 ◼   ► photos and whatever else so I created the support ticket with all these issues I do find it very

01:33:15 ◼   ► funny that apparently when you add five issues to a ticket it says at the bottom you've reached

01:33:22 ◼   ► the max number of issues please submit these and start a new request so my car says otherwise I

01:33:28 ◼   ► right so I've reached the maximum number of problems with my Rivian that I can put in one

01:33:33 ◼   ► on one service request so I thought okay well you know maybe I maybe I get in the service center

01:33:39 ◼   ► within the next couple of weeks you know get get this done I have I'm a little scared because I

01:33:44 ◼   ► have heard that this level three charging battery problem I've found a couple of forum threads people

01:33:50 ◼   ► said it took them like months to figure it out so I'm not loving that but we haven't gotten there

01:33:55 ◼   ► and we'll see what happens so okay maybe I can get in the service center you know again maybe a week

01:34:00 ◼   ► or two there was the next screen which I'll send you now these were the first available appointments

01:34:06 ◼   ► oh no oh that's not good at all the first available Rivian appointment in my entire region of New York

01:34:17 ◼   ► is ten weeks from now November 13th that's that's undesirable yes so and and I checked like there

01:34:30 ◼   ► there's a couple other like Rivian service centers that are like you know a hundred months and it's

01:34:35 ◼   ► no better it's the same I like they're all out to November you should check Richmond I bet there's

01:34:40 ◼   ► not a lot here I am not happy right now like I I'm starting to fall out of love with owning a first

01:34:53 ◼   ► version car rapidly and I knew when I bought it I'm like this is the first version of the R1s maybe

01:35:00 ◼   ► I'll have some problems I don't think I fully appreciated how much this sucks that I now feel

01:35:07 ◼   ► like my car is unreliable in some pretty key areas and is losing things like air conditioning like I

01:35:14 ◼   ► pretty sure we solved that problem a long time ago but no air conditioning also broken as well as the

01:35:21 ◼   ► seat being too smart to move I am really tired of beta testing cars whatever my next car is I think

01:35:29 ◼   ► it's first of all I think it might be sooner than I expect but second of all I think I just want to

01:35:35 ◼   ► get something from a regular car company again like an established car company that like I'm just

01:35:39 ◼   ► I'm tired of the the flux and I think even though I love the features of this car in a lot of other

01:35:46 ◼   ► ways this rapidly erases those gains in my head like having to deal with service especially dealing

01:35:53 ◼   ► with bad service like what this is turning out to be to make a good car ownership experience yeah

01:35:59 ◼   ► the car needs to be good it also needs to have almost no problems during ownership especially

01:36:04 ◼   ► when they're new they really this car is a year old it should not be having any of these problems

01:36:08 ◼   ► let alone all of these problems after one year a car mostly shouldn't have problems in its first

01:36:13 ◼   ► few years besides the basics of like you know maintain the very basics of the car like the

01:36:18 ◼   ► brakes and the windshield wipers and stuff like that in the tires and that that should be all you

01:36:21 ◼   ► have to do for a car in the first couple of years and so you shouldn't have these problems at all

01:36:26 ◼   ► but if you do have problems you need the service and servicing infrastructure to be there and to be

01:36:30 ◼   ► near you like this is already you know having to drive to Brooklyn like it's driving to the

01:36:35 ◼   ► service center will take me an hour and a half on a good day like and and and I'm and I'm in like the

01:36:39 ◼   ► worst part of Brooklyn where there's nothing around it's all warehouses and it's terrible

01:36:44 ◼   ► and like God knows how many times I'm going to have to do that too so it's already like a rough

01:36:49 ◼   ► service situation and you know to to have service then be backed all the way out ten weeks when you

01:36:55 ◼   ► when you ask for it like that's I I'm going back to a regular car company like I can't but what

01:37:02 ◼   ► would you bought like no argument and and I am disappointed by this just peripherally because

01:37:07 ◼   ► you were so in love with that car when you first got it yes and as much as I will always and forever

01:37:13 ◼   ► make fun of the god-awful color choice you made like it was is a great car but I don't think you

01:37:19 ◼   ► have a lot of really good options especially for a battery electric vehicle now if you wanted to go

01:37:24 ◼   ► back to like a Range Rover Land Cruiser whatever the hell it was you had before then then maybe

01:37:29 ◼   ► but if you're trying to go battery electric what could you possibly get I was gonna say when when

01:37:34 ◼   ► the Land Rover is the more reliable option you know you're in trouble yeah for real I think I'd be

01:37:39 ◼   ► looking probably at like probably BMW again or maybe even Polestar but that's that's also a

01:37:45 ◼   ► little bit too new I think I think I would have the same problems with Polestar but what what of

01:37:49 ◼   ► these cars like I don't think there's anything battery electric that either these companies sell

01:37:53 ◼   ► that would that would work for the beach right I'm going to shortly stop needing that because I'm

01:37:58 ◼   ► going to shortly stop qualifying for my permit and lose the permit that's a bummer it is getting

01:38:04 ◼   ► regular cars then you don't have to get these stupid SUVs anymore that's right right so I I

01:38:09 ◼   ► that's why I like I might be in the market you know maybe in six months or something I might be

01:38:13 ◼   ► in the market for something that is smaller and or at least like you know one of the options I

01:38:21 ◼   ► looking at the BMW ix which I think is actually a very attractive option not it's not not an

01:38:25 ◼   ► attractive vehicle but it is it's a very attractive option looking at that looking at you know there's

01:38:31 ◼   ► you know Hyundai stuff there's no Volvo stuff there's there's a bunch of things many of them

01:38:37 ◼   ► have the first year problem or like the first couple of years problem and again I just I I think

01:38:42 ◼   ► I'd be looking at maybe something a little more established the really sad thing is I really would

01:38:48 ◼   ► not I don't think buy a Tesla right now like for lots of political reasons that just feels very bad

01:38:53 ◼   ► to me but I see why people do because when you look at the numbers of just like how much range

01:38:59 ◼   ► does it offer and then what are you paying to get that car Tesla is still way ahead of everybody

01:39:07 ◼   ► like their cars get such longer range than almost everyone except Lucid they claim they claim longer

01:39:14 ◼   ► range but they're they're also one of the most distant from their claims so I would if you're

01:39:19 ◼   ► just looking at this the still but I had Tesla's yeah they're they're a little BS you know but

01:39:23 ◼   ► that they're their cars out there now that are claiming less than Tesla they just get the same

01:39:27 ◼   ► range right so you can't go by the numbers that are on the package sure but yeah I think I'm gonna

01:39:33 ◼   ► like well let me see I mean let me see what happened with with the Rivian but like I like I

01:39:39 ◼   ► feel like I can't depend on it take like I'm gonna take a long trip soon and I feel like can I

01:39:44 ◼   ► dependent to get there I'm gonna get there without air conditioning but you know which is it's already

01:39:49 ◼   ► a problem and I probably can't have any other place service it because it's probably all special

01:39:54 ◼   ► and proprietary and like so like I can anybody else replace the air conditioning whatever I

01:39:58 ◼   ► probably not so like I don't know this is why like I'm getting I'm falling off the Rivian train

01:40:04 ◼   ► really fast right now because it like I'm having all these problems pile up over the last couple

01:40:08 ◼   ► of months that are now going to be difficult to get fixed like that's not not happy you got to

01:40:14 ◼   ► wait to get all this fixed before you can even like trade in or resell this thing probably too

01:40:17 ◼   ► well I wouldn't do a private sale I would do like you know a dealer thing or something but yeah I

01:40:28 ◼   ► don't know I anyway so there might be some turbulence there in the next few months we'll

01:40:32 ◼   ► see hopefully hopefully I can last longer than that I'm really sorry to hear that in what you

01:40:37 ◼   ► said a moment ago that you're not sure if it can reliably get you to your destination yeah because

01:40:42 ◼   ► it almost didn't I was almost stranded on the last trip I took yeah no argument the moment any of my

01:40:48 ◼   ► cars have gotten to that point where it's not it's no longer an inconvenience but a genuine concern

01:40:53 ◼   ► that you might not make it the moment that happens I'm out I need a new car in or even if it's a new

01:41:01 ◼   ► used car that's fine but I need something different because I cannot well maybe cannot as bit

01:41:07 ◼   ► dramatic but I refuse to be in a situation that if I need to get somewhere in my car I am rolling

01:41:13 ◼   ► the dice with more than you know you always are as to whether or not I'll actually get there and

01:41:18 ◼   ► at that point I'm out so if you're me you're already looking for something new and it doesn't

01:41:23 ◼   ► even matter if you can get this into a service center before November it's it's already it the

01:41:28 ◼   ► nails in the coffin you're done honestly I mean unfortunately like if that happens I got the early

01:41:33 ◼   ► pre-order pricing on it so like I actually like I looked up like you know roughly what the resale

01:41:37 ◼   ► value of it would be and like I would not be losing that much at all from what I paid a year

01:41:41 ◼   ► ago so it actually would not be that bad but honestly I'm thinking that direction because

01:41:45 ◼   ► like like I saw I'm drunk in three days I'm driving a few hundred miles upstate I can't

01:41:52 ◼   ► really take Tiff's i3 conveniently also she needs it like she's not coming I'm driving to go see

01:41:57 ◼   ► goose in concert so there's no way Tiff's going to that anyway so I'm driving a few hundred miles in

01:42:04 ◼   ► three days and I need my car to work and that's like to already know that okay I'm not gonna have

01:42:10 ◼   ► any air conditioning probably on the trip that's that sucks enough but like to not even know like

01:42:15 ◼   ► when I have to plug in somewhere like am I is it gonna charge maybe is something else gonna go

01:42:20 ◼   ► wrong with it maybe like I I don't know I'm I'm feeling very bad about this right now yeah you

01:42:26 ◼   ► know honestly if it were me there is no question I would be going and renting a car and I know it

01:42:33 ◼   ► I thought about that I might do I know it turns your stomach to think about well probably renting

01:42:38 ◼   ► a car but I know it turns your stomach to consider a gasoline automobile but it is okay to slum it

01:42:44 ◼   ► with us regular humans for the purpose of one weekend that's 100% what I would do one of the

01:42:49 ◼   ► one of the latest Honda hybrids I think you might enjoy those because Honda finally switched to the

01:42:55 ◼   ► system where basically the gasoline engine is charging the battery and the batteries running

01:42:59 ◼   ► the electric motor that turns the wheels most of the time and that will be a more familiar

01:43:04 ◼   ► experience to you oh it feels like a not very fast EV most of the time with some additional

01:43:09 ◼   ► noise that I don't understand you might like it why would I want that because it'll be reliable

01:43:14 ◼   ► and it'll get you there and it'll get better mileage than a plain old gas car you have 15

01:43:19 ◼   ► by 50 miles per gallon in a Honda that you can get fixed anywhere that will get you to your

01:43:23 ◼   ► destination no matter what I don't think you need to buy anything but I do think you need to rent

01:43:27 ◼   ► something for this trip to go see goose that's honestly I was I'm thinking about renting something

01:43:31 ◼   ► but like that to rent a car for it's you know I'm gonna be gone for like three four days it's that's

01:43:36 ◼   ► like you know six hundred dollars I'm like it's it's not a small amount of money it no it's not

01:43:41 ◼   ► that bad at all we were in New York it might be well okay that's fair we rented a minivan for a

01:43:45 ◼   ► week and I think it was like three or four hundred bucks and that was a week and it was unlimited

01:43:50 ◼   ► miles etc etc now granted we are in Podunk Richmond Virginia we are not in effectively New York City

01:43:56 ◼   ► but I think it'd be more affordable than you expect if you're willing to slum it with a regular human

01:44:00 ◼   ► car rather than some like Tesla or some other weirdo be EV or something like that yeah you do

01:44:07 ◼   ► obviously you do you you're you're a grown-up you're a grown-ass man but that's what I would do

01:44:11 ◼   ► I think like you know I certainly feel like a fool I felt like a fool like you know driving around a

01:44:16 ◼   ► dented truck for you know a few months or whatever or weeks whatever it was I would feel extra

01:44:22 ◼   ► foolish renting a car because I can't trust mine to drive a few hundred miles reliably and no I

01:44:27 ◼   ► wouldn't feel foolish about that personally I get what you're saying and I think foolish is not the

01:44:33 ◼   ► word I would use I would feel dejected that it's gotten to this point feel foolish at all you're

01:44:38 ◼   ► doing you're doing what you can to make what is what should be an enjoyable weekend enjoyable and

01:44:43 ◼   ► I love you like a brother well no in a better way than that I love you but I don't think it's a far

01:44:50 ◼   ► stretch for you to throw money to fix it to throw money at a problem to fix it so I think this is

01:44:55 ◼   ► right in your wheelhouse this is what I would do yeah but what's it then like when I have to drive

01:44:59 ◼   ► to Thanksgiving in you know about 11 weeks what's future Marcos problem and then Christmas after

01:45:06 ◼   ► that and like I need my car to work I need like I can't I'm so I'm like I'm unreasonably angry at

01:45:15 ◼   ► this review experience right now I think I'm I'm not doing you favors because I'm wholeheartedly

01:45:20 ◼   ► in agreement with you it's time to sell the car like unless you can get it fixed by some miracle

01:45:25 ◼   ► in the next week or two and you don't have a series of further problems it's time to sell the

01:45:29 ◼   ► car full stop like I hate that I hate that that's the case because I was there with you I saw with

01:45:36 ◼   ► my eyes how happy that car made you it's even after I broke it for the first of what turned out

01:45:41 ◼   ► to be many times I saw how happy that car made you it does not give me pleasure to say this to you

01:45:47 ◼   ► this is not the normal like ATP ribbing like I genuinely think is your friend you need to sell

01:45:52 ◼   ► that car because it is it is forever tainted it has its scarlet letter it is forever tainted in

01:45:57 ◼   ► you and I don't blame you I don't blame you at all you can always get version two of that car

01:46:01 ◼   ► where they consolidated the 17 control units down to two or whatever no that's true too it's

01:46:06 ◼   ► it's an option maybe the colors are so much worse now I'm coming back to ATP ribbing are they really

01:46:14 ◼   ► worse Marco are they really all right well I'm sorry please keep us updated with how this turns

01:46:20 ◼   ► out both in a friendly way and because I think it'll be good for the show way yeah that's main

01:46:24 ◼   ► reason you should try to take the Rivian because whatever happens that'll be a good story

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