606: A Decade of Half-Presses
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- I am back on the beach today and I'm so happy.
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The beach in September is beautiful
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because it's still pretty warm,
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some of the restaurants are still open,
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and there's no one here.
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'Cause as soon as the school year starts,
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everyone stops coming here.
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It's like the workers who work locally here
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call it Tumbleweed Tuesday, the day after Labor Day,
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because it's just, it literally is like a light switch.
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Like Labor Day weekend, massive, crowded, everything,
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and then literally Tuesday,
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just Tumbleweeds blow through the town, no one is here.
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So it is, we're not able to spend a ton of time here
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because we also are bound now by the mainland school year,
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but wow, it's so nice here.
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It's like walking through one of those
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deserted video game levels.
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- Fewer zombies.
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- Yeah, well, I mean, the few people who were left,
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we're certainly an eccentric crowd.
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Certainly some characters walking around.
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We don't get sent on a lot of side quests though,
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but it is certainly some eccentrics.
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That's part of one of the best things I love
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about being here in this weird beach town
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is that the people who are here for long enough,
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I don't know if it makes you eccentric,
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or if only eccentric people can tolerate being here
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for that long, but whatever it is,
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it selects for eccentricity.
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And so everyone here is weird.
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Like I fit in great, 'cause I'm weird too.
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And I'm weird in different ways than some of the other ones,
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but like everyone here is just so gloriously weird.
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I feel so at home here.
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Like Long Island, Long Island has its weirdos for sure,
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but it's more like regular suburban America.
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You don't see a lot of that coming out.
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In the beach town, everyone lets their weirdness fly,
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and it is just glorious to be here.
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And you feel like the most normal person,
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even when you are as weird as I am.
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Do you have your car back?
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- Yeah, I've got it back, the issue has not recurred,
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it's been fine.
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I actually heard from a couple of listeners who wrote in
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who said that they actually had similar problems
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with like some high voltage error message
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with their BMW iX on its first day,
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and then they got it fixed and they never saw it again.
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So I'm hoping that's going to happen to me.
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Otherwise, still loving the car, it's still really great.
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There's nothing more to report there.
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I hope it's now gonna be just a boring car ownership story
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for the next three years, and then I'll pick something else
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or the same thing again, or buy this one, who knows.
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But I look forward to going back to my car
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not being a point of flux.
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I've had various neck and shoulder tension issues
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over the last couple of years,
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working through some weird little issues.
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During all the Caribbean drama,
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I couldn't even turn my head all the way to one side.
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It was really bad.
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My whole shoulder blade was all tense,
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and I went to a physical therapist
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and fixed it a little bit,
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but I had to go back the next week to fix it more.
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And then as soon as I got the new car,
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it was like a light switch turned off there too.
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It's like, it was just all that stress was just melted away
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as it just started working, and it just didn't,
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it wasn't causing all this problem
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and distraction in my life.
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- Did the physical therapist tell you
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that your neck was too smart to move?
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- All right, before we get started, it is still September.
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There's a week left in September,
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and September is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month,
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which means we are still, still trying to raise money
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for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.
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At one point, I had my little show notes up
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or that would tell me the talking points I'm supposed to use
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but I accidentally closed it.
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So I'm gonna do this off the dome, as Marilyn would say.
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- You don't need notes, you've lived it now.
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- I've lived it, yes, that's right.
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So speaking of, this past Friday as we record,
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I was in Memphis at St. Jude's campus,
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and we did 12 hours of live telethon.
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We called the podcast-a-thon, it was myself, Mike Hurley,
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Stephen Hackett, Jason Snell, and Kathy Campbell,
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and we did all sorts of fun hijinks for 12 hours
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and raised $130,000 or thereabouts
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for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.
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So why do we do it?
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St. Jude is, like I've said several times now,
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a children's research hospital.
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So some of the incredible stuff that they do
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is not only do they treat children who are really
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in the throes of terrible life-threatening illnesses,
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but they also do a ton of research
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and they try to figure out ways to make sure
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that no child would die in the dawn of their lives
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and in the beginning of their lives.
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And so when I was there, I attended a couple of talks
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from some doctors there who were just talking
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about these absolutely phenomenal things that they're doing
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and how they're looking at research for one type of cancer
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and very cautiously and in a controlled way
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applying it to different kinds of cancer
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and finding incredible, incredible solutions
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and fixes and whatnot.
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The work they do there is incredible.
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They talk about how they're doing DNA sequencing
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in order to figure out, okay, well, we know that you have,
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let's say not a cancer, say epilepsy.
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We know you have epilepsy, but it could be one
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of 50 different kinds of epilepsy.
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But thanks to genetic sequencing, we can say, oh, no, no,
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your particular style of epilepsy is the one, two, three,
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four, five style and we know that this drug
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treats that one, two, three, four, five style really well
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and we shouldn't use this other drug
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that treats the six, seven, eight, nine, 10 style
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or whatever the case may be.
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The work that St. Jude does is really incredible
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and one of the most incredible things
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about what St. Jude does is that they do this
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without billing their patients or their patients' families.
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So their perspective is, if you have a child
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that's fighting for their lives,
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the last thing you wanna worry about as a family
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is anything but helping that child
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and making that child feel better.
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If you need help getting to Memphis,
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they will fund the trip to Memphis.
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If you need help staying in Memphis,
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they will figure out a way for you to stay in Memphis,
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either on their own campus or somewhere else.
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If you need the patient or perhaps a sibling
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to go to school, they have a school on campus,
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it's just utterly incredible all the work
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that St. Jude does in order to do everything they can
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to stop this just terrible, terrible series of diseases
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'cause it's not just cancer, like I said.
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So how can you help?
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Well, you can do a couple things.
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You can go to stjude.org/atp, S-T-J-U-D-E.org/atp
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and you can throw them a few bucks.
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Now, we've done a phenomenal job this year,
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a truly incredible job.
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We've broken all, Relay as a whole
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has broken all of its records.
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As I sit here now, we're over $800,000 raised.
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But here's the thing, St. Jude uses a lot of money
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because all this research is expensive.
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All the treatments are expensive.
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And they're also trying to help fund treatments
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going to other countries.
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There's a program, I forget the specifics
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off the top of my head, but they're trying to figure out
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a way to get chemotherapy treatments into other countries.
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This isn't just America here.
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So you can go to stjude.org/atp
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and you can throw them a few bucks, five bucks, 10 bucks,
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it doesn't matter.
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Anything you can contribute is helpful.
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And I think that I and perhaps the three of us
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kind of get ourselves wrapped around the axle
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about the big donations, but truly,
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anything you can offer is helpful.
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I saw Ryan Richard, excuse me, Ryan Ricard earlier today
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posted this, which I thought was great.
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And we're gonna talk about the Marco offset in a second,
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but Ryan said an idea for an alternative Marco offset
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for those who didn't buy Apple stuff this year,
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check any credit cards with cash rewards.
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Mine had over $100 hanging around,
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which I was happy to hand over to St. Jude.
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This is free money that you got generally
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for being a wealthy person, but it's no more valuable.
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I think that's great.
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So you could do that or you could apply the Marco offset.
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Marco, do you know anything about the Marco offset
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or is that just a funny coincidence?
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- I've never heard of that before.
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No, actually I think I'm up with where,
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so you look at your purchases this fall
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of your new tech devices that you might've frivolously
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to some degree purchased.
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Maybe you could have gone without these tech devices,
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but you have your tech devices and you have
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the baseline price for the device family.
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So if it's the iPhone Pro, that's $999 or whatever.
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And then you add up whatever you actually spent
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at checkout or will spend over time
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with Apple Care descriptions or whatever.
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So it's gonna include things like sales tax,
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storage upgrades, size upgrades, cases,
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any kind of accessories you bought
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when you bought your new phone or whatever.
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Add those up, subtract the base price for the family.
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That is your Marco offset.
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So for a $1000 phone, it might be a few hundred bucks.
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And that is my suggested minimum donation
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that you consider putting into St. Jude.
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If you can swing it, that's great.
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If you can swing more, that's great too.
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If you can't swing that, but you can swing 10 bucks,
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20 bucks, good, that's great too.
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Every little bit helps, so please.
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And you can actually, as Casey I believe mentioned,
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you can go to the marcooffset.com to actually
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compute this amount based on the iPhone purchase
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for this year.
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But yeah, basically look at what you tack on
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to your tech purchases as kind of extra money
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that you don't scrutinize too much maybe.
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And that's a pretty good barometer
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for what you can probably afford to give if you can.
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So help out if you can, please.
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It helps a lot and we appreciate it.
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- Very much so.
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Now John, I mentioned earlier that I was recording
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or I was doing a telethon for 12 straight hours.
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Did you know anything about that by chance?
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- I did, I watched almost all of it
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and I appeared briefly for 15 minutes of those 12 hours.
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So I was glad to contribute in my small way.
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- Yeah, and so John and Jason did a live recording
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of Robot or Not and I was basically--
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- With you there in the peanut gallery.
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- Exactly right, exactly what I was gonna say.
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So I was the peanut gallery for that.
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That was, I don't know, like hour eight or nine
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or something like that.
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It was toward the end of the broadcast,
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I don't recall exactly when, but you can look it up
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and you can check it out.
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So again, I don't know if we're gonna do this again
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next week, this might be the last time.
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We probably will next week, maybe, actually maybe not.
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We'll see, but one way or another, stjude.org/atp,
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S-T-J-U-D-E.org/atp, please and thank you.
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We truly, truly, truly, truly appreciate all the money
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that you have sent because again,
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most of the money that we have earned for St. Jude
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comes from the five, 10, $15 donations.
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So please, anything you can do, please feel free.
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Stjude.org/atp.
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Let's do some follow up.
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John, you've gotten some solutions
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to your extracting file names from photos conundrum.
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Would you, if you don't mind, give a super duper brief recap
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of what the issue was, please.
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- Yep, this was from our photo workflows
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member special episode where we all described
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the way we deal with photos
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and also of our photography equipment.
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Casey's system was the weirdest,
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but mine had one step in it that was definitely troubling
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and problematic and it involved me taking screenshots
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of the photos app and then OCRing text out of them
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because photos does not provide a convenient way
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to select a bunch of photos
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and then just copy their file names,
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which would be very helpful.
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So many, many people sent me solutions.
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As I said on the show, like, oh,
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I think maybe it was Casey's or something,
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why don't you just use AppleScript?
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I'm like, yeah, that would totally work,
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but I hate AppleScript so much, which is true, I do.
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But one of the things that a couple of people did
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is they said, hey, I hate AppleScript too,
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but I asked chat GPT to write me an AppleScript.
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And I said, you know what, that's a good idea.
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I do hate AppleScript, but I use chat GPT all the time
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for programming stuff, so let's give it a shot.
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So I went and opened up my own chat GPT window
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and asked it to write an AppleScript for me and it did.
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And you know, the script didn't work, but you know,
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it's chat GPT sometimes it needs a little bit of help.
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Like it just got like one or two small things wrong
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and I fixed them and it was fine.
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I'm like, hey, now I have an AppleScript.
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And of course, once I've got that AppleScript to,
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and by the way, what I wanted the AppleScript to do
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was get the file names of the current selection.
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Lots of other people were saying, oh, we'll get file names
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of all your favorites.
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That's, you know, 50,000 photos, don't do that.
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Or we'll get the file names of all the favorites
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within a date range, then you have to pick a date range.
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It's like, no, just let me just select the photos.
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You know, whenever I'm doing my workflow in photos,
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this, during this step, it's very easy for me
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to simply select the favorites that I've just processed.
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And you know, maybe worst case it's like 200 photos
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or something, so I can just, you know,
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click and then shift click, I've made a selection.
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Then I run the script and it can get the file names
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out of the thing.
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So that's what I did, I made an AppleScript that did that.
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And of course, once I have an AppleScript that does that,
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you know where I'm going, straight to Perl.
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So I wrote a Perl script that calls the AppleScript
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using the OSA script command line thing or whatever.
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So now, what I've written for myself is a Perl script
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that all I have to do the next time I'm doing
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this sort of workflow is select the photos that I want.
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And again, listen to the episode if you want to hear
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what I'm selecting, whatever, but select the photos
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that I want and then run the Perl script.
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There is no other step and when I run the Perl script,
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it will get this file names of the ones that are selected
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from photos using the AppleScript.
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And then for each one of those file names,
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it will look to see if there's a raw on my mounted SD card
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with the raws in it.
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And if there is a raw with that file name,
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it will copy it and do all the things.
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So that's gonna save me a lot of time
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and a lot of screenshotting.
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Now, having said that, oh, and by the way,
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I will link in the show notes to my AppleScript.
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It's not very exciting, it's exactly what ChatGPT
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would give you with like one bug fixed.
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So anyway, it's very straightforward,
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I just really hate AppleScript and I'm glad ChatGPT
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did it for me because I wouldn't want to have to look up
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all that stuff because I just hate it.
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- I really just like AppleScript.
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I get why it's the way it is largely
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and I do think it's potentially for the best,
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but I also don't particularly care for it.
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I was going to ask you, why are you printing the file names
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or returning the file names rather than just copying them
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to the clipboard?
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But I didn't think that because now you have
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something you can throw Perl at, of course,
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that's what you're gonna do.
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- That's right, yeah, that's why at the end of it,
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you'll see I'm emitting the file names one per line
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as opposed to comma separated or as JSON or whatever.
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One per line is straightforward.
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I promise to never have new lines in my file names, right?
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Just, it'll be fine.
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Yeah, yeah, I just want text output to standard out
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and then I just feed that into Perl.
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It's my preferred way of doing things.
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All right, now on to all the many, many suggestions
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people sent because so many people sent suggestions.
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I hope an equal or greater number of people send suggestions
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to Casey, but I don't know what Casey sees.
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All I know is what I see and I saw a bazillion suggestions
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for this one step in my workflow.
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By far the most popular, which boggles my mind was,
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hey, why don't you just export all the photos?
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'Cause once you've exported them to the finder,
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then you can just select them in the finder and hit copy
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or you can do, you know, once they're files
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in the file system, there's a million ways
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to get the file names from them, you know what I mean?
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Yeah, that would work, but why in the world,
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why export photos and make it like,
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you know, can you do it small size?
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They won't take up a lot of room, you know,
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but why would I make it do all that work?
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Why is empathy for the machine?
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Why would I make it like recompress, export,
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make a bunch of files just so I can get the file names
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and then delete the things at all?
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No, no, that's, I mean, yes, that was technically,
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that would absolutely work.
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And some might find it preferable
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to what I was doing with OCRing,
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but at least when I was OCRing,
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I was making one screenshot for dozens and dozens of photos
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because I have a very big screen, right?
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Actually, yeah, exporting the files.
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Everyone suggested that.
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I guess, I mean, I guess if you're not in a kind of like,
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I'm gonna write an automation script mindset,
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this is the most straightforward way to do it.
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Hey, you want file names?
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Make files, they've got names, boom, problem solved.
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But no, I'm not, that's a solution I reject.
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Some other people suggested using shortcuts,
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which is sort of the modern,
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sort of Apple script type equivalent.
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We'll put a link in the show notes
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to an example one from Josh Woodward.
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Shortcuts can totally do all this stuff, I'm sure.
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Shortcuts, I find, I'm even more allergic to
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than Apple scripts because I'm a programmer
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and at least Apple script lets me
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sort of kind of do programming,
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but shortcuts makes me like arrange widgets in a GUI
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instead of programming.
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And I'm glad that it exists
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and I'm glad that it is very powerful.
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It can do lots of things
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and I'm glad a lot of people like it.
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Not for me, but we'll put an example in there.
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Mootly suggested a Python project,
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which we'll link to in the show notes
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called OS X, OS 10, whatever, OS X photos.
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And it's a command line utility
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that talks directly to the photos database
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and it can do all sorts of stuff.
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It can output stuff as CSV or JSON
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and you can also, of course, query the SQLite database
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that is behind photos yourself.
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For some reason that I don't understand
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that someone from Apple will surely write in
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and tell us about all the tables that are interesting
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in the SQLite database, beginning with the letter Z.
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Is it like a core data thing or something?
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I don't even know. - I think so, yeah.
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- Yeah, anyway, the Z asset table has the info you want,
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but this Python command line utility
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will just basically bypass everything
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and let you just query the database.
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I don't think I actually want that
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because I imagine the current selection
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isn't reflected in the database,
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but I could be wrong about that.
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But anyway, because I want to go off of the current selection
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as just a flexible way of saying,
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I know which photos I'm dealing with here,
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just let me select them in the app
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and then run the script, right?
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I don't know if it's convenient to get the current selection,
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but that's another thing you could do.
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Will LineWeber provide an example
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of directly reading the photos database
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if you want to see what that looks like.
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It's just SQLite, it's just SQLite database.
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You can just query it like the tables are wacky
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and they begin with letter Z and the columns
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are maybe not what you expect, but you can do it.
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And finally, a couple of people sent Swift code
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that uses PhotoKit.
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We'll put a link in the show notes to one on GitHub
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from Alex Mazinoff, _DavidSmith also provided one.
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Yep, Apple obviously has APIs to get to the photos database.
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That's how you can do photo pickers
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and all sorts of other stuff that interacts with it.
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And you can write Swift to do that.
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So if Swift is your preferred language, like Perl is mine,
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you can write up a Swift quote-unquote script.
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Same thing, put a line at the top
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that will run user bin Swift or whatever.
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You can use Swift like that
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and it will compile it on the fly and run your thing.
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Same caveats about, I'm not sure you can get
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the current selection from the photos app
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without asking it through shortcuts or AppleScript,
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but I could be wrong with that as well.
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There are lots of ways to skin this cat,
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but predictably the way I did it is with Perl
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with the smallest amount of AppleScript possible
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just to do the part that I didn't wanna do in Perl.
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- With regard to your earlier half question,
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what kind of feedback did I get?
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I got basic, almost universally feedback
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that what I was doing was wrong.
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- From the internet?
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- Yes, I know I'm shocked as well.
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It came with various degrees of obnoxiousness/empathy.
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I did get a couple of suggestions for minor things,
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including I think the most actionable suggestion I got
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was there's a couple other apps that'll do the GPS tagging
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that I need to at least investigate
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and see if they will better fit my workflow.
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But for the most part, people just shook their heads
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in mutual embarrassment on my behalf.
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- Yeah, I thought we gave you
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some good actionable improvements
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that didn't really change your workflow,
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but just ahead in this step you could do this
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with less work or whatever during the episode.
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But yes, obviously people are amazed
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by the Rube Goldberg machine that you've constructed.
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I also checked out that, I figured which one it was,
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it was like the GPX, I should have put a link in here.
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Someone suggested one of the tagging apps
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that looked pretty good.
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Basically it's just an app that you run on your phone
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and it keeps track of your location
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and it exports files in a format
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that a lot of apps can read to tag your files.
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Anything to get out of the world of proprietary,
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like in my case, Sony apps,
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that I think Sony recently discontinued their app anyway,
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I don't even know if they replaced it,
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but those apps were terrible.
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The good thing those apps had going for them
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is that they think they directly communicate
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with the camera, so there's no like bringing it all
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into the Mac and combining it or whatever,
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but I'll gladly do that if it's something more sane.
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So I have on my list to check out some of the apps.
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I think I already downloaded one of them
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to check out some of the apps
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that can export this standardized format for GPS tagging.
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And if I end up finding something that works
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or if Casey does, we'll talk about it on the show, I'm sure.
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- All right, then with regard to my question,
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if I'm not mistaken, about, hey,
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I kind of wish I could just always share all of my photos
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to the shared library or at least default to that.
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And what Apple tries to do is it tries to be smart about it.
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And you can say, oh, when you're at home,
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always go to the shared photo library.
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And otherwise, if your partner or spouse
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or what have you is nearby, I guess by way of Bluetooth,
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then you can do shared photo library,
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but otherwise it goes to your personal library.
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And Alexander F wrote in to say,
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if you select share manually in the shared library settings
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and then just press the yellow bubble on the camera app,
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it will remember that setting
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and automatically always put all photos
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in the shared library, regardless of what the smarts thinks.
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I did this once when shared photo library came out
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and haven't needed to touch it since.
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That's a good tip, I didn't know that.
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- Yeah, so there's a couple of nuances here.
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One is like the feature that Casey was referring to,
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like you get basically two choices of like,
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hey, what do you want me to do
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with respect to shared library?
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And the choices are automatic,
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which tries to do the smart thing and manual.
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So Alexander's solution is first select manual.
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And then second, in the camera app at the top,
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there'll be this little yellow circle
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with either like one little person's head in it
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or two little people's heads in it.
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Change it to two little people's head because that says,
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hey, when you take a photo with this camera,
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it'll go to the shared library and that's it.
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And unlike many other settings,
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there is nothing in the camera settings in iOS
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that says in the section for preserving settings
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that refers to this.
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So if you go to settings, go to camera,
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there's this thing of like,
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hey, which settings do you want me to preserve
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between launches of the camera?
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So like you launch the camera
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and say you change into video mode
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and then you go to a different app.
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When you come back to camera,
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do you want it to still be in video mode
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or do you just want it always to go back to camera?
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That's an example of deciding
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whether you want a setting to be preserved.
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And Apple provides like a whole screen full of these.
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You want me to preserve the style, the focus, the zoom,
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like you can toggle these on and off.
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And so if you've never checked that out,
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if you're frustrated that every time you launch the camera,
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it doesn't remember something
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or it does remember some other thing,
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you can change your mind about those.
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But this shared versus non-shared thing
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is not in that set of preferences.
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As far as I can tell, it's just always remembered.
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So as long as you set that setting and don't change it,
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it will be preserved
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and you basically have no choice about that.
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You gotta be careful of,
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especially if it's not your phone,
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that someone doesn't accidentally hit that
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and change it back to the other thing.
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So there's some amount of vigilance required
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to make sure you stay on sending everything to share it.
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But this was a great tip.
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I tried to do the same thing to my wife's camera app
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and told her about it and said,
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"Now everything will go into your shared library,"
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because occasionally she sends things
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into the regular library.
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So set to manual, change the setting in the camera app,
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and don't worry about the preserved settings
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'cause it doesn't apply to this particular thing.
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- Excellent.
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John, can you tell me about JPEG XL in iOS 18
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and on the iPhone 16, please?
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- So this was a bit of a letdown.
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We had the rumors of Apple's gonna go to JPEG XL
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and they did add support for JPEG XL in iOS 18
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on the iPhone 16s, pretty much only,
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and only for their ProRAW stuff.
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So it's not like Keek where they said,
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"Oh, by the way, all our cameras take photos
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in a new format by default."
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And it's this great new format.
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They didn't say that.
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They didn't talk about it at all.
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But nevertheless, in iOS 18, on iPhone 16s only, I believe,
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because when I was on iOS 16 and my 14 Pro
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didn't mention JPEG XL anywhere.
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So I think it's only on the 16s.
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It's definitely not on the 14 Pro.
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I can tell you that.
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If you go to the formats section of the camera preferences,
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you will see at the top pro default,
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and you see heaf max, ProRAW 12 megapixel,
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ProRAW max up to 18 megapixel.
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And then the next section is ProRAW format
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and your choices are JPEG lossless,
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which they now list as most compatible.
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And then there are two JPEG XL choices,
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lossless and lossy.
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And again, that's only for when you're shooting in RAWs.
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You can have a lossless RAW with JPEG XL
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or a lossy compressed RAW with JPEG XL.
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Here's what PetaPixel had to say about it.
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"Apple has wrapped JPEG XL photos inside a DNG container,
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enabling ProRAW files to retain their flexibility
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while being significantly smaller.
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What would typically be a 75-ish megabyte ProRAW max file
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will be a 20 megabyte in lossy ProRAW format
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using JPEG XL compression.
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A lossless file is still under 50 megabytes.
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Without compromising quality,
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these are significant storage savings."
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So JPEG XL is on your iPhone if you have a newish iPhone
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and if you're shooting in RAW.
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And if you are, you can get files that are up to
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half the size that they used to be at about the same quality.
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So good, thumbs up, but it is not the JPEG XL revolution
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that we had been waiting for.
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So I did change to JPEG XL.
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I think I went with lossless
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just because I'm shooting in RAW.
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I probably just, I do it so rarely on my phone,
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I'll just pay the full cost of the size
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and it's still smaller than it used to be.
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So, you know, partial thumbs up on JPEG XL.
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Hopefully it will expand over the years.
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- Guillermo Rambo with regard to iPhone apps
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spying via the microphone.
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So we mostly debunked this, but then Guillermo said,
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"I once found a vulnerability that allowed for an app
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to listen to the user's AirPods microphone
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in the background without permission,
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but in a very limited way."
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And this has already been fixed a couple of years ago now
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I'd forgotten about this.
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I read this one, it debuted.
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In fact, I think Guy might've had me proofread this form
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if memory serves, although I might be wrong about that.
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But anyways, it's a fascinating write-up.
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It's not too long, really, really interesting
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if you're even vaguely nerdy
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and Guy does a great job of doing the write-up.
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So I would definitely check that out.
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Just if you're interested in, you know,
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I don't know, like doing this sort of work
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in kind of, what is it, white hat?
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I don't really love that phrasing,
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but you know, the kind of doing things that may seem bad,
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but for good, and that's what Guy was doing.
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And then Guy also added, "The iPhone 16 lineup
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and all devices based on the A18 or M4
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have a new secure exclave, that's not enclave, but exclave,
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that presumably makes it impossible for an exploit,
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even with kernel-level access,
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to disable the microphone or camera in use indicators
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because the little orange or green dot
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is rendered by a separate OS running in an exclave
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directly onto the display hardware."
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That is pretty wild.
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And anyways, Apple calls it the secure indicator light.
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- I recall, like, way back in the PowerBook days, maybe,
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or maybe it was the MacBook days,
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there was similar indicator light
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and Apple made similar claims about how,
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well, it's impossible to hack this light
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'cause there's a hardware feature in the laptops
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that basically says when the camera is active,
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this light comes on.
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Like, this was an example of it
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not being software-mediated at all,
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but it was something like,
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hey, if the camera's on, the light's on,
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there's no software environment,
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software has no visibility into the light whatsoever,
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can't turn it on, can't turn it off,
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it's just like an electrical fact of life
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about how we've connected the camera.
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And even when they did that,
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I believe someone found a way to get the camera
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to turn on without the light going on.
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Like, hackers are devious.
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So this exclave is, you know, in the game of cat and mouse,
00:26:53
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here's Apple's next move.
00:26:55
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It's like, oh yeah?
00:26:56
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Let's make it even harder for you to get this light.
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Even if you have kernel access,
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you still can't get it this big.
00:27:01
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This is a different OS running in this secure exclave,
00:27:04
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which is this other little machine that you can't get to.
00:27:06
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The secure enclave is obviously where you can put secrets
00:27:08
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that are hard to get to if you're running
00:27:10
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on the main CPU SOC.
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But now we have the secure exclave,
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which is a whole other chip with a whole other OS.
00:27:15
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It's even harder to get to.
00:27:17
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And I'm sure that's true, but hackers are very devious.
00:27:20
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So let's see how the next move goes.
00:27:21
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But anyway, Apple continues to try to make it very difficult
00:27:25
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to spy using its products without using the easiest method,
00:27:30
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which is, of course, social engineering.
00:27:32
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- Of course, the iPhone 16 and 16 Plus batteries,
00:27:38
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►
you can remove them as you always could,
00:27:40
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►
but in a very different way.
00:27:43
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This is from MacRumors.
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Apple has confirmed that the iPhone 16 and 16 Plus
00:27:46
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►
have a new electrically induced battery removal process.
00:27:51
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The batteries use a type of adhesive that can be loosened
00:27:53
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with low voltage electrical current,
00:27:55
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such as from a nine volt battery, according to Apple.
00:27:57
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The battery can then be easily be removed from the devices.
00:28:00
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This new process is considered to be easier
00:28:02
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than the adhesive pull tabs that are found under batteries
00:28:04
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in previous iPhone models.
00:28:05
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And so there's, of course,
00:28:06
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an iFixit teardown all about this.
00:28:08
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- Yep, and they demonstrated.
00:28:10
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So we talked about this, I think, before the event,
00:28:12
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where there was rumors of this happening.
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And I don't know how I pictured it working.
00:28:15
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Maybe you'd short something out
00:28:18
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and there'd be a puff of smoke and the battery would come out
00:28:20
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or it would just pop out or whatever.
00:28:22
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It is much less dramatic than that, but it is no less cool.
00:28:25
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In the iFixit video, they take a little power supply
00:28:28
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and they hook it up to the battery.
00:28:30
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There's a little metal contact that pops out
00:28:32
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for you to connect it to,
00:28:33
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and then you just connect something else
00:28:34
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to ground inside the thing.
00:28:36
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And you put some power into it for a few seconds
00:28:39
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and it basically chemically changes the adhesive
00:28:41
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to make it not sticky anymore,
00:28:43
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►
and then the battery just comes out.
00:28:44
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And they explain a little bit how it works.
00:28:46
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Interestingly, if you reverse the polarity,
00:28:49
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where you put the plus and the minus on the opposite side,
00:28:52
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it will make it restick, but not to the thing.
00:28:56
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It'll restick to the battery, so don't do it that way.
00:28:58
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So there are still some dangers here.
00:28:59
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But another interesting thing
00:29:00
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about how they installed this is once the battery is out,
00:29:05
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again, you'll see it in the iFixit video
00:29:07
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►
and the blog post that we'll also have in the show notes,
00:29:10
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inside the case where the battery goes,
00:29:13
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Apple has essentially carved a U-shaped channel,
00:29:17
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like intentionally, roughly, like it's scuffed up.
00:29:20
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Like if you use like a circular buffer on a car
00:29:23
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and you did a really bad job and you left swirl marks,
00:29:25
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that's what they did inside the phone.
00:29:27
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They made this big, long U-shaped channel,
00:29:28
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which is where the adhesive goes,
00:29:29
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that's intentionally scuffed up and rough
00:29:32
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►
to give lots of like craggly surface
00:29:33
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►
for the adhesive to stick to,
00:29:35
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►
which is so wild to see inside Apple's cases
00:29:37
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►
that are usually so beautifully,
00:29:39
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►
perfectly machined and everything's precise.
00:29:41
◼
►
And here's this area that's made intentionally rough
00:29:43
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►
and the adhesive sits directly down in that.
00:29:46
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►
And this process is, you know, the pull tabs are cool.
00:29:48
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►
It's like those 3M things, kind of like you pull sideways
00:29:50
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►
and big, long, stringy, sticky things comes out
00:29:52
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►
and then it comes out, but this is just so much more elegant.
00:29:55
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►
You just apply the voltage
00:29:57
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►
and then the thing isn't sticky anymore and you lift it out.
00:30:00
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►
It's pretty cool.
00:30:01
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►
I think this is only on the 16 and the 16 Plus
00:30:04
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►
and not on the Pro.
00:30:05
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►
I think the Pro still use the sticky stuff
00:30:07
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►
because I saw a teardown of one of those things as well,
00:30:09
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►
which is interesting.
00:30:09
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►
But yeah, check out the whole iFixit video.
00:30:12
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►
They seem to think that the 16 continues
00:30:15
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►
to push the frontiers of easy repairability.
00:30:18
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►
Again, not the 16 Pro.
00:30:19
◼
►
I haven't seen the iFixit teardown of that,
00:30:20
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►
but the 16 using the dual sided design
00:30:23
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►
and the battery that's easy to remove
00:30:25
◼
►
and the way they have the parts arranged.
00:30:26
◼
►
Apple is making progress
00:30:27
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►
in making these tiny, very delicate devices
00:30:30
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►
that much easier and less error prone to repair.
00:30:34
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- Just very quickly, one of my favorite things
00:30:35
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►
about the iFixit teardown was at one point,
00:30:37
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►
they said, "Oh, you know, it comes out so easily.
00:30:39
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►
"Gravity will do it."
00:30:40
◼
►
And so they turned one of them upside down,
00:30:42
◼
►
applied the voltage and waited a few seconds
00:30:44
◼
►
and sure enough, boop, all of a sudden the battery
00:30:46
◼
►
just came tumbling out.
00:30:47
◼
►
- It just falls out
00:30:48
◼
►
because the adhesive is not sticky anymore.
00:30:50
◼
►
It doesn't leave a residue.
00:30:51
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►
It's pretty amazing.
00:30:52
◼
►
- That's really cool.
00:30:53
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- All right, so if you wanted to get rid of those
00:31:48
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►
annoying monthly screen recording prompts,
00:31:51
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►
Jeff Johnson has reverse engineered a way to do it.
00:31:54
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►
Jeff writes, Richie Adams found the file
00:31:57
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where the prompt dates are stored.
00:31:58
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And we'll put a link to all this
00:32:00
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'cause I'm not gonna read it out now.
00:32:02
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The file is protected by TCC.
00:32:04
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What does that stand for, John?
00:32:05
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- Trusted Computer. - Trusted Computer.
00:32:08
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- This is the database that keeps permission and stuff.
00:32:10
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I don't remember what it stands for.
00:32:11
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- All right, no worries.
00:32:12
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It's protected by TCC.
00:32:13
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So to access it, you'll need to grant
00:32:14
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►
full disk access to the terminal app.
00:32:17
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In the plist file, the keys are the paths
00:32:19
◼
►
or perhaps the fully qualified domain names
00:32:22
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►
or whatever it is of the executable files
00:32:25
◼
►
with screen recording permission
00:32:27
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►
and the values are the dates.
00:32:29
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To stop the prompts forever for the rest of your life,
00:32:31
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anyway, set the date too far in the future.
00:32:32
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For example, the year 3024 instead of 2024.
00:32:36
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►
You'll need to do this for each app
00:32:37
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►
and afterward log out and log in again
00:32:39
◼
►
so that the replayd process recognizes the new defaults.
00:32:43
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Dan solely notes my keys are not the paths of the app,
00:32:45
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►
but there it is, the bundle identifier.
00:32:46
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Couldn't think of the name there.
00:32:48
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John, it looks like you have some thoughts about this,
00:32:51
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which we'll get back to in just a second.
00:32:52
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But then Kyle Rubenok wrote a shell script
00:32:55
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►
that will set the dates to a year from now.
00:32:57
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►
So you could perhaps run that on login.
00:32:59
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- Although that shell script doesn't actually work
00:33:01
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and I sent him a reply about that.
00:33:02
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It's kind of like the chat GPT thing.
00:33:04
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I think he forgot a line in there,
00:33:05
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but one could write a shell script.
00:33:07
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You can take a look at his and fix it
00:33:08
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►
by adding the missing line or whatever.
00:33:10
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But anyway, you might not have to do that because.
00:33:12
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- Because now breaking news as of just like an hour ago
00:33:17
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►
or something like that, there's a new app called Amnesia
00:33:19
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►
that apparently will allow you to disable these
00:33:23
◼
►
on an app by app basis.
00:33:24
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- Yeah, and so it's a screen recording thing.
00:33:26
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I'm living it both.
00:33:27
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I saw this example here and I wanted to try it myself.
00:33:30
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And I discovered that in my plist file,
00:33:32
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which is I'll read the thing in case you wouldn't.
00:33:34
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It's in your library directory and it's group containers,
00:33:36
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group.com.apple.replayd, screencaptureapprovals.plist.
00:33:40
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Again, it'll be in show notes.
00:33:41
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- This sounds like an Amazon product title.
00:33:43
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- Yeah, my paths were, my keys in this little,
00:33:46
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you know, the name value pairs, they were the full path.
00:33:49
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►
So it was applications/zoom.us.app/content/macos/zoom.s.
00:33:53
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Like, I don't know why they were bundle paths
00:33:56
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►
in Dan's thing, but maybe it varies on each system.
00:33:58
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►
But anyway, the values are just dates.
00:34:00
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It's a simple default command to change it.
00:34:02
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►
So I did that for Zoom, which I had recently used
00:34:05
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►
to share my screen and edit a complaint
00:34:07
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►
and I set its date to 30/24.
00:34:09
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►
So in theory, it will never complain again.
00:34:11
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►
And having a GUI app for this is good
00:34:14
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►
if people don't wanna mess with like command line stuff
00:34:16
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►
or whatever.
00:34:17
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►
But many questions are raised by this discovery, right?
00:34:22
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So first of all, the whole point of this thing
00:34:24
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was like, oh, what if someone's spying
00:34:26
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and you wanna be reminded every once in a while
00:34:28
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to know that someone's spying and yada yada.
00:34:30
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Well, if you can just write a value
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to a plist to override this,
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anyone who's like spying on someone
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or like abusive partner or something
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is just gonna Google this, find this result,
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set the dates forward to 30/24
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and never have to worry about it again.
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So what the hell happened to like the security benefits
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of this feature are so easily bypassed
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that now we're just being annoyed for no reason, right?
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Before it's like, oh, we're being annoyed,
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but they can't figure out a way
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to make this more secure without annoying us
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and they figure a month interval is good.
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But now it's like actually there's no security benefit
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because anyone who cares can Google this in two seconds
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and download a GUI app
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that will set all the things to the future.
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So this is, I'm assuming Apple will see this
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and then in a future update to Sequoia,
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come up with a different, much more secure system
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that doesn't allow you to run a single default write command
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or download a GUI app to change this
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and never have to worry about it again.
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Because like, what's the point of the feature?
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It's just annoying people for no reason at that point, right?
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And the second thing is how has life been on Sequoia
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with these screen recordings?
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Well, I did use Zoom and I did share my screen
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and it did prompt me and I'm like, ah, well, Zoom,
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how often do I share my screen?
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I think in the, what, week or two I've had Sequoia,
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I've gotten prompted like four times by four different apps.
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It just keeps catching me by surprise.
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Just today, I used TextSniper,
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which by the way, I still recommend.
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And what was using TextSniper for?
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Not to get fines out of photos.
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You know what I was using it for?
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A good old preview.
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I had a PDF that had text in it
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and I wanted to copy and paste that text out of the PDF.
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But unfortunately, that text was tabular
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and selecting the text in preview and hitting copy
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and then pasting into a plain text document
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just was just a soup, right?
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But TextSniper actually printed it a line at a time.
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It didn't put tabs between it or anything,
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but at least it was like, here's the first row,
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here's the second row, here's the third row.
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Text selection in both web pages and PDFs
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continues to be an unsolvable problem apparently.
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If you ever try to select text in a complicated web page
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and you just want the text to be pasted
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just like it appeared in your web page,
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but when you paste it, you see that it's out of order
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or it's selected other where it's stuff.
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Same thing with PDFs, at least in the preview app.
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I can select it and I can hit copy
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and when I hit paste, I expect it to print those lines,
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but sometimes it just absolutely doesn't.
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It prints a scrambled mess of the lines
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all connected to one big long line
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or interleave with each other or whatever.
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But TextSniper did it
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because TextSniper doesn't care about that stuff.
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TextSniper just use pixels that look like text
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and it parses them as lines of text
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and it will print them as lines of text.
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But of course, when I launched TextSniper,
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it said, hey, TextSniper wants to capture your screen.
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Do you want to allow it?
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Allow for one month, blah, blah, blah.
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And so this is sort of the ongoing battle
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because every new app still prompts you
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and then I went to the command line and the default's right
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and said, now you're never gonna ask me again
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until 3024 or until Sequoia 15.1
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when Apple changes all of this.
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So this is a disappointing stopping point,
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I'm not gonna say conclusion,
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in this saga of suppose it increased security
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because now all the security,
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not all the security benefits,
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but most of the security benefits are out the window
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and yet we're still continuing to be annoyed by it
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to the point where people are writing GUI apps
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to help people circumvent this feature of macOS.
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This is not a good sign for Apple
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that they have struck the right balance
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with the features they've shipped.
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- Yeah, it's not great.
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And obviously, we've all been upgrading to Sequoia
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and getting just absolutely overwhelmed with all the,
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hey, is it okay, is it okay, is it okay, is it okay?
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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, oh, are we cool, are we cool?
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It's just incessant.
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And I don't know, perhaps I'm not having enough empathy
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for security professionals
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because it's just not a world I live in,
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but I find it to be extremely off-putting and frustrating.
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- And again, if the security benefits are non-existent,
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if anybody who's trying to do something nefarious
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just Googles for it
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and gets a thing they can paste into terminal
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and solve the problem for them,
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like it's just, ugh, it's very frustrating.
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- All right, but in happier news, we've all got new toys,
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and this is a year that even John has new toys.
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So I will preface this by saying,
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I was in Memphis over the weekend.
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I thought about trying to do an in-store pickup
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or even delivery while I was there.
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Coincidentally, some things were delivered to the hotel
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and I don't know if it's my business to say exactly what,
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but I know that it could have worked.
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Maybe I should have, but I didn't have the gumption
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So anyways, so I set a in-store pickup
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for yesterday afternoon, Sunday afternoon,
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the day I got home.
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- Oh, well, you did get to unbox
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pretty much all the new products, didn't you?
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- That's true, yes,
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because a lot of them did show up in Memphis
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and Jason had them.
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So I unboxed a lot of them.
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But anyways, this morning I went
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and I picked up my new iPhone 16 Pro,
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natural titanium 512, my new Apple Watch Big Boy
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in aluminum and Erin's stuff.
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Erin hasn't opened any of her stuff yet.
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We've been busy.
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I've barely gotten mine all set up,
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which we can talk about the transfer here in a minute.
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But, and also, if we have time for me to whine
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about the in-store experience,
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I'd also like to do that at some juncture.
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But if we don't have time, that's no problem.
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- That's part of the setup.
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You should talk about that now.
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Let me start by saying this is the first world,
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this is the first world problems.
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I'm gonna try to make this quick
00:39:41
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and I will move right along.
00:39:42
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But I go in and of course, there's no lines anywhere.
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And I walk up to the first person
00:39:48
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that doesn't have somebody in front of them.
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And I say, "Hey, I have a pickup to do."
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And they say, "Okay, go over to the pickup counter desk,"
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whatever thing, fine.
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There's a couple of people there.
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There are a couple of customers there and one employee.
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And this one employee is already looking
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ever so slightly flummoxed.
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Here's the thing.
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If Apple wants to do this, oh, magic happens.
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Just magically, your products will appear
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where you're standing.
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And magically, you can just walk up to anyone
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and pay for them or even scan them on your own
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if it's something cheaper and just walk out of the store.
00:40:19
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It has to work.
00:40:20
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And apparently, just from overhearing the conversations
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between the employees, the quote unquote backstage area
00:40:26
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was like completely overwhelmed with shipment coming in,
00:40:29
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with all these people asking for runners to bring out
00:40:32
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my phones and my watches and that person's this
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and that person's that.
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It's just, if you're gonna do this fancy stuff,
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it's gotta freakin' work.
00:40:40
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And I was there for, I'd already paid for everything.
00:40:43
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I should've just been able to swoop in and swoop out.
00:40:45
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And I was there for like half an hour, 45 minutes.
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Now, in the grand scheme of things, does that matter?
00:40:50
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But Apple is supposed to be the it just works company.
00:40:53
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It's the great experience company.
00:40:56
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And this was not a great experience.
00:40:57
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And some woman that was standing next to me
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was waiting for like half an hour
00:41:01
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to get a screen protector installed.
00:41:03
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The reason was they couldn't just get, the dude at the desk
00:41:07
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couldn't get his hands on the screen protector
00:41:08
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'cause it was backstage.
00:41:09
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And I don't know, maybe I'm too East Coast for this,
00:41:13
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but give me a fuckin' line to stand in
00:41:16
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and give me, have the person that's helping me
00:41:19
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run their ass to the back and go find my stuff.
00:41:22
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I don't think this is that difficult.
00:41:24
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Why does it have to be so synthetically fancy?
00:41:29
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If you're gonna have it be fancy, make it be fancy.
00:41:32
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This wasn't fancy.
00:41:33
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This was the illusion of fancy.
00:41:35
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And it's just infuriating.
00:41:37
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Like it didn't have to be this way.
00:41:39
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- Yeah, it's a system that doesn't scale very well.
00:41:41
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Like it seems really great. - It's well put, well put.
00:41:43
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- Like probably most of the year, probably most days,
00:41:46
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most of the time, it's fine.
00:41:48
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Like I still, I'm honestly like,
00:41:49
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I don't love the Apple Store triage system
00:41:52
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because like I don't love that you have to walk in,
00:41:55
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okay, hey, hey, hey, hey, you wanna check in with me
00:41:58
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right at the front door here?
00:41:59
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Oh, you wanna go with that?
00:42:00
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Oh, go stand over at that table over there.
00:42:02
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It's like, okay, well, so there is a queue.
00:42:05
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You're just, it's just confusing
00:42:07
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and you can't really tell what it is.
00:42:08
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And the queue is, I would say like,
00:42:13
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kind of sloppily enforced enough
00:42:15
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that I feel like a lot of times it is serviced out of order.
00:42:20
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Because like, it's like, who's waiting at this table?
00:42:23
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Oh, you gotta go see so and so in the blue shirt.
00:42:25
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But oh, and then you're put into the system
00:42:27
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as like a person with a red striped shirt.
00:42:30
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And there could be someone else with a red striped shirt
00:42:32
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get served first and like, am I standing at this table
00:42:35
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or the one next to it?
00:42:36
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Like, it's such a vague system that you as the customer
00:42:40
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feel all the time like, have I been lost?
00:42:43
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Even when you haven't been, and oftentimes you have been.
00:42:47
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But even when you haven't been, you can't see that.
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Like you have no feedback as the customer of like,
00:42:53
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is the system working as intended?
00:42:55
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Am I still in the queue?
00:42:56
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- And neither do the employees, by the way.
00:42:58
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Last time I was at the store, which was not a busy day,
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I was sent to a table and then eventually someone came
00:43:03
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to help me and they disappeared for a little bit.
00:43:05
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And when they were gone, two other employees came up to me
00:43:08
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and said, are you being helped?
00:43:10
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I'm like, don't you know if I'm being helped?
00:43:11
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Shouldn't you know whether I'm being,
00:43:13
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like the whole system is you send us off
00:43:15
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to these little tables to distribute this visible line
00:43:18
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so we can't see the actual line.
00:43:19
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But then we get serviced in order
00:43:21
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and people are assigned to us.
00:43:22
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You should know that somebody is already handling it.
00:43:25
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If you don't know, then what is the system?
00:43:27
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Do you just wander the store looking for people
00:43:29
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who look lonely and say,
00:43:30
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that person looks like they're not being helped.
00:43:31
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Let me help them.
00:43:32
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I mean, and obviously the biggest problem,
00:43:34
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I mean, you're both dancing around,
00:43:36
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it was lunch day for the iPhone, right?
00:43:39
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- Surely one of the busiest days in the Apple store
00:43:42
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or involving iPhones, anything on lunch day,
00:43:44
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the iPhone is going to be fraud and it exposes the weaknesses
00:43:46
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of their systems because this is gonna be the most people
00:43:49
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coming to the store in the shortest period of time
00:43:51
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who want phones.
00:43:52
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- I will say, however, that as I think I've talked about
00:43:55
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in years past, I apparently, one of my many superpowers
00:43:58
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is utterly ruining iPhone screens.
00:44:01
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And I don't mean like shattering them,
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although that's happened for sure.
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- Have you scratched them already?
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- No, no, no, I didn't.
00:44:08
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No, no, no, this is, everything's fine, everything's fine.
00:44:11
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I decided after much chatter from the internet
00:44:14
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in my direction that I think, yep,
00:44:16
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I think I'd solicited requests about what do you do
00:44:20
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about screen protectors the internet came through.
00:44:22
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And a lot of them said, just do the Belkin one
00:44:25
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that Apple installs.
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Do it right then and there.
00:44:27
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They'll install it for you.
00:44:28
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They know exactly what they're doing.
00:44:29
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There won't be any bumps or anything like that.
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There won't be any dust.
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And you can get like free replacements.
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I don't know if it's for life.
00:44:36
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I haven't read, apparently you have to register
00:44:38
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the screen protector.
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I guess you at least get a series of free replacements
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that apparently Apple's happy to reinstall for you
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- Do you know what the nature of the Belkin protector is?
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Is it glass?
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Is it plastic?
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- I believe it is glass.
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I don't think I, do I have the bag?
00:44:55
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No, I don't think I have the bags in here
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so I can look it up.
00:44:58
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I apologize.
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When one of you starts talking,
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I'll look around the office
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and make sure the bag isn't in here.
00:45:02
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I believe it's glass.
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I'm not 100% sure.
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I didn't look closely at it.
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But I did have them install it.
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And do you want the good news or the bad news?
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- The good news is, no, there's no real bad news.
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The good news is it feels pretty good.
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Like it's a little tackier.
00:45:19
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That's maybe not the best word.
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But like there's a little more friction on it
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than I think a regular piece of glass was.
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- Is it not as oleophobic as the screen maybe?
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- No, I wouldn't say I think it is.
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I think it is, but I'm not 100% sure.
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However, you know how I always thought you were nuts, Jon,
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and kind of still do,
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for insisting on a bottomless iPhone case.
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A case without a bottom so you can swipe up no problem.
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And I always thought you were kind of nuts
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because what is the big deal?
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- I'm not gonna tell you you tried it.
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- I've tried it.
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It is unquestionably better.
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Gosh, I've been talking a lot for having said
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I had no opinions about this.
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Here we are.
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- Welcome to the show.
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- Right, exactly.
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Welcome, we've been here 10 years.
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It is definitely better to have a bottomless iPhone case.
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Full stop, not arguing that.
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I just don't think it's as big a deal to me as it is to you.
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Let me tell you what is not fun though.
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When you take a phone that you do not intend
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to have a case on it,
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and you put an extra two to three millimeters
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of screen on it.
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So now I have a ledge every time I swipe up,
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which is the screen protector.
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Sitting here now, I hate it so much.
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I think I'll get used to it,
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but I hate it so much.
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- They should round over that edge.
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They should round over the bottom edge.
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- I don't know.
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Ultimately, I think it's worth it to me
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because again, I don't,
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well, I was gonna say I don't mistreat my phones.
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I mean, clearly I'm doing something
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to scratch these screens every year
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for the last like four years.
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So I don't think running without a screen protector
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is the right choice for me,
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but I kind of hate the way it feels right now.
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- Put a case on it, put a case
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that doesn't have a bare bottom,
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and then you'll be hitting the gigantic bottom lip
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of the case and you won't even feel the screen protector.
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- And I think that may be what I end up doing,
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but I really don't love any of the case options right now.
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And so we'll see what happens.
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But I did very much like, however,
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the application process because they basically,
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they asked me if they could unbox the phone.
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I said, of course, thank you for asking.
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They immediately put it in their fancy little machine
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that lines everything up just right.
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And then, foop, foop, foop,
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and all of a sudden the screen protector's on.
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And into my eyes, leaving aside
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that there's an additional ledge
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that I wasn't really considering,
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to my eyes, they did an absolutely perfect job.
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So in that sense, I'm very satisfied.
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But yeah, I mean, I think that's,
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with regard to the purchase experience,
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that's all I've really got.
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I did go back down, oh, that's the other thing.
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I went from Pro Max to Pro.
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Gentlemen, having a human-sized phone in my hand
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feels so great, it's so much better.
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I mean, well, for me,
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I shouldn't say that the Max is bad.
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I do a little teeny bit miss the screen real estate
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of the Max, but oh, my word, it's so much nicer in the hand.
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It is so much nicer in the hand.
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I can use my phone without a popsocket.
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Imagine that.
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You can use a phone.
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Did you know this, gentlemen?
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You can actually hold a phone in one hand.
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You can operate the entire keyboard with one hand.
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You don't even need to have a little thing
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poking out the back.
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You can just hold the phone.
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I stand by having gone the Max last year
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for the 5X lens or camera system or what have you,
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and I actually am very glad that I tried it.
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I think I could do it again if we're in a situation
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for like the 17 or something like that
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where only the good camera's on the 17 Pro Max,
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or you know what I mean, something along those lines.
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But I stand by and I have now reaffirmed my commitment
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to, oh, my, I am not a big phone person.
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I can do it if I have to, but it's not for me.
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- Because the thing is, even the now "small phone"
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is a big phone, and it got bigger.
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It got even bigger, and this is just gonna keep happening.
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Obviously, that's the pattern of the market.
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The market pushes phones, sizes up, people buy them,
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and it drives the small phone people nuts
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'cause they're like, you're going further away
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from our needs, which is true.
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But also, the problem is the market just keeps
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buying bigger and bigger phones also.
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So the small phone people are kind of being outvoted
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by most of the buyers in the market,
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and so this is just gonna keep happening.
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Even a lot of Max people are switching back with this one
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'cause they just keep making it.
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- 'Cause the Max got bigger, too.
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- Yes, they keep making it bigger.
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Eventually, you're like, okay, this is actually beyond
00:49:34
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what I actually want, and I actually have a story
00:49:37
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with this for a little bit for later.
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We'll get to that.
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- All right, but so far, I think I'll wrap up,
00:49:42
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even though, like I said, I'm already going longer
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than I intended.
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Immediate impressions, the phone transfer,
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I did use a full bore, like $90 Apple bespoke
00:49:53
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Thunderbolt cable, and it took roughly an hour,
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and my vague recollection of last year
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was that it took like two and a half, three hours.
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So I do think that gets an A-plus thumbs up from me.
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This is very not, I did not do a lot of science here,
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to be clear, but the vibe I got
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is that it was definitely better.
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I failed to transfer my SIM on the first shot.
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I mean, not from my fault, it just didn't work,
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and then I tried it again, this is a Verizon eSIM.
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Tried it again, and it worked no problem.
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Other than that, I mean, everything seems nice.
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I like the camera control.
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I don't wanna go too far into it,
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'cause I think you guys are gonna have
00:50:27
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many more thoughts about it.
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It does not currently feel intuitive to me,
00:50:32
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but that doesn't necessarily mean it's bad by any means.
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I think I will absolutely get used to it,
00:50:37
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but I have to think through, like,
00:50:39
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is this a half-press, is this a half-double-press,
00:50:41
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is it a full-press, is it a full-double-press?
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It hasn't clicked, and typically, Apple stuff,
00:50:47
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you don't have to think about it.
00:50:48
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It just does, or it works exactly
00:50:51
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the way you expect it to work.
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And in this case, I don't think it's successful,
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but again, I wanna repeat, I don't think
00:50:57
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that that's necessarily an indictment of the camera control.
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It's just, I gotta get used to it, that's all.
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- We'll talk about it more in a little bit,
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but I wanna talk about my setup process
00:51:04
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that Marc can talk about, his setup process.
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We'll do these piecemeal, piecewise,
00:51:08
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old setup, and then, anyway.
00:51:10
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So the setup process, you would think
00:51:13
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this is such a non-issue.
00:51:14
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Yours sounded like mostly a non-issue.
00:51:15
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Yeah, it was annoying picking it up from the store,
00:51:17
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but you used the cable to connect them,
00:51:18
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'cause you had a 15 Pro to a 16 Pro,
00:51:21
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and it seemed to work out.
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And I would grade your setup experience
00:51:25
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as pretty much went okay.
00:51:28
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- The software setup experience,
00:51:31
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I would say, is solid A-minus.
00:51:34
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It took a long time.
00:51:35
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I don't love that you still have to download all the apps
00:51:37
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even when you're doing a phone-to-phone transfer,
00:51:39
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but in the grand scheme of things, it was fine.
00:51:41
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There were no major issues.
00:51:43
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- So I get a new phone every two years,
00:51:44
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and there are two reasons that I dread getting a new phone.
00:51:49
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One of them is the setup process.
00:51:51
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The other one is cases, which we'll talk about later, right?
00:51:54
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And it really does deter me from getting a new phone.
00:51:57
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You think I'd be excited to get a new phone, and I am,
00:51:59
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but then every time I actually am getting one,
00:52:00
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I'm like, oh no, my world has been thrown into turmoil,
00:52:03
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because the computing device that I use probably the most
00:52:07
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that's with me all the time now is going to
00:52:11
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not be satisfactory for some period of time.
00:52:13
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First, I have to deal with the setup process
00:52:14
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where I just hope everything transfers over,
00:52:17
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and I deal with all that or whatever,
00:52:18
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and then the cases, which we'll talk about later, right?
00:52:20
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So I think last year, if we go back to, or not last year,
00:52:24
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two years ago when I got the 14 Pro,
00:52:25
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I think I said that my setup process went smoothly for once.
00:52:29
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My usual experience is I get a new phone,
00:52:32
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and the way I order it is through the Apple Store app,
00:52:34
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and I order it on my old phone, and when you order on
00:52:37
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your old phone, you can say, hey, are you gonna get
00:52:39
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a new phone that's gonna replace the one
00:52:41
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that you're currently ordering on, and I say yes.
00:52:43
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It's like the most automatic, smoothest default path,
00:52:47
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which is like, new phone, replace this phone.
00:52:49
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Don't change anything, don't get an unlocked phone,
00:52:52
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don't do anything weird, don't change carriers,
00:52:54
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it's like just the default straightforward thing.
00:52:57
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And yet, pretty much every year,
00:52:59
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with the possible exception of last year,
00:53:00
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I don't recall exactly, I end up on the phone with Verizon.
00:53:05
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On iPhone, which is not the time you wanna be
00:53:08
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on the phone with Verizon. - No.
00:53:10
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- Well, guess what, I ordered my new phone,
00:53:13
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using that same old default method,
00:53:14
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I took it out of the box, I couldn't use the wired,
00:53:17
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well I decided not to use the wired thing,
00:53:18
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'cause the 14 Pro has USB 2.0 speeds,
00:53:20
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and Wi-Fi can beat that, I think.
00:53:23
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So I'm just using plain old, you know, phone to phone,
00:53:27
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wireless transfer with both phones plugged in,
00:53:29
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and it starts doing the thing, you know,
00:53:32
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I see a new phone, do you wanna do this,
00:53:34
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connect to your other phone,
00:53:34
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type in the passcode of this phone on that phone,
00:53:36
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scan the fuzzy dot ball, you know,
00:53:39
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like the whole process, right?
00:53:41
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- All right, can I interrupt you right there,
00:53:43
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does that actually, like is that like a QR code,
00:53:46
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does that actually transmit data?
00:53:47
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- Yeah, there's actual data in there.
00:53:49
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- Okay, I can't fathom how, I believe you, okay.
00:53:52
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- Yeah, it's just artfully done,
00:53:54
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but yeah, it's like sort of an obscured artful
00:53:56
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kind of like QR code type thing.
00:53:58
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Anyway, and then they start doing their thing,
00:54:02
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one thing that's always annoyed me
00:54:03
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is the phone you are transferring from
00:54:05
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has like a white sheet up that says, you know,
00:54:08
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finish on other phone or whatever,
00:54:10
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but if you try to dismiss that sheet,
00:54:12
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it's like, oh, do you wanna exit the setup process?
00:54:14
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It's like, no, I just don't wanna be staring
00:54:15
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at this white thing,
00:54:16
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and sometimes the screen won't even go to sleep,
00:54:17
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but just fine, the phone is plugged in,
00:54:19
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but it just seems stupid, but anyway, whatever.
00:54:21
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On the new phone, it's doing stuff,
00:54:23
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and it gets to a thing that says, you know,
00:54:25
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whatever screen this is like activating, blah, blah, blah,
00:54:27
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this may take a few minutes.
00:54:29
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Well, I was on that phone for a solid hour the first time,
00:54:32
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and I'm like, because I was afraid to abort it
00:54:34
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and screw something up, and then I tried again,
00:54:36
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and tried again, and it would be like activating,
00:54:39
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this will take a few minutes, and then I resigned myself.
00:54:41
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I'm like, look, it's never gonna get past the screen.
00:54:43
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Like there was no skip, I'm assuming it was trying
00:54:45
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to transfer, you know, my phone number, eSIM,
00:54:49
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whatever thing from my 14 Pro to my 16 Pro.
00:54:52
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It just wouldn't and couldn't do it,
00:54:54
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and I'm going all over.
00:54:55
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Like I have five bars in my house these days,
00:54:57
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like they must have upgraded the coverage right here.
00:54:59
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It's not even like I have bad signal anymore,
00:55:01
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and they're both on Wi-Fi.
00:55:02
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Like I don't know what the problem is.
00:55:04
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Time to contact Verizon, which is just the most terrible
00:55:08
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sort of resigned feeling of dread.
00:55:10
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Like you're getting an exciting new thing,
00:55:12
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and instead of setting up your exciting new thing,
00:55:14
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you're going to be calling your phone carrier
00:55:16
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on day one of iPhone.
00:55:18
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It's just like, why is this my life?
00:55:21
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- May I offer a suggestion?
00:55:23
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You make merciless fun of me for trying the same thing
00:55:27
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more than once or twice, expecting--
00:55:29
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- I think it worked last year.
00:55:31
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- I'm gonna let it go because I don't want to get
00:55:33
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any of us angry at each other,
00:55:34
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but I think maybe trying a different approach
00:55:36
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for next year might be a good idea.
00:55:39
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- Well, but what would you suggest?
00:55:40
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Like what's, I mean, next year I'll use the wired one,
00:55:42
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but that wasn't the problem.
00:55:43
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It was the carrier activation.
00:55:44
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Like that's where I'm getting it now.
00:55:45
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- That's why, maybe I'm the idiot here,
00:55:48
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which wouldn't be the first time,
00:55:49
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but I always, or for the last several years anyway,
00:55:52
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I just buy an unlocked phone.
00:55:53
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I don't want Verizon to know what's coming.
00:55:55
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I don't want them to think that they,
00:55:56
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'cause a lot of times in the past,
00:55:58
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I don't know if this is true anymore,
00:55:59
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but in the past if you bought a phone
00:56:02
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to replace your existing one, like you're describing,
00:56:05
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I want this one to be my new phone
00:56:07
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and I tell Apple that ahead of time.
00:56:08
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A lot of times like AT&T and Verizon would ding you
00:56:11
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like 50 bucks for the activation for reasons unknown.
00:56:14
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And so I would just buy an unlocked one.
00:56:15
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And then typically, again, not always,
00:56:17
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but typically neither Verizon or AT&T would ding you
00:56:20
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the $50 activation fee because you're just bringing
00:56:23
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something new to them.
00:56:24
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It's like, how do they know if you're just John Gruber
00:56:27
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or Jason Snell and you're just activating somebody else's,
00:56:29
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or activating--
00:56:30
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- Well, I mean, but I wanted to take over
00:56:31
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my other number, obviously, my old number.
00:56:33
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- Well, yeah, but mine does that every time.
00:56:35
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It says, oh, do you wanna take over the old phone's number?
00:56:37
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- But I'm assuming they'd still charge you the fee.
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If they're gonna charge you the fee,
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they're gonna charge you the fee.
00:56:40
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- I don't think, again, we'll see what happens.
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I might be wrong, but in the last couple of years,
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I don't believe that's been the case,
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or the last several years.
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- Anyway, yeah, I could potentially try and unlock one,
00:56:49
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but I just feel like that's been trading
00:56:50
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a bunch of known problems for unknown ones.
00:56:52
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So anyway, I have advanced in my ability to deal with this
00:56:54
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because I was like, I can't do it, I can't dial that,
00:56:57
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because remember, I can't call them on my cell phone either,
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so I'd be calling on my, quote, unquote, landline phone,
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still wireless, whatever, on my landline phone.
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It would be on speakerphone,
00:57:05
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I'd have to hear that music over the,
00:57:07
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I just, I can't do it, so I'm like, you know what?
00:57:09
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This year, I'm gonna try the chat thing.
00:57:11
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They always heard you towards anyway,
00:57:12
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like the in-web page Verizon text chat.
00:57:16
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And so I did that, and the world's friendliest person
00:57:19
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telling me, oh, I hope you're having such a wonderful day.
00:57:22
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Congratulations to your new phone, blah, blah, blah.
00:57:24
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I'm like, please, just, I've got all the data ready to go.
00:57:29
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I tell him the situation, I say I'm on the activating screen.
00:57:33
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He says, could you please give me your IME ID,
00:57:36
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which I already have in the clipboard, I just paste it.
00:57:38
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You know, I'm going, which by the way,
00:57:40
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I had to transcribe manually,
00:57:42
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because when your phone is in this terrible state,
00:57:44
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you just use the little I and a circle in the upper right
00:57:46
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to get the IME ID, but you can't copy and paste it
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because your phone isn't even set up,
00:57:50
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so I'm transcribing that carefully.
00:57:51
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Like anyway, I do all this information, and you know what?
00:57:56
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It takes like three seconds
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when someone at Verizon is doing it.
00:57:59
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They're like, okay, this is your thing, confirm this,
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do that, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop.
00:58:03
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And all of a sudden my phone screen says,
00:58:05
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instead of saying activating, wait a few minutes,
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it says, oh, transferring cellular service, whatever,
00:58:08
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blue, blue, blue, blue, and it's done.
00:58:11
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And I was like, okay, well that was, you know,
00:58:13
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maybe like a half an hour on web chat
00:58:16
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in the grand scheme of things.
00:58:18
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You know, it's better to not have to contact them,
00:58:19
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but it wasn't that bad.
00:58:21
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The only weird wrinkle was, they're like, okay,
00:58:24
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now call like pound, you know, 832 or whatever.
00:58:27
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There's something they want you to do
00:58:28
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to confirm that everything worked.
00:58:30
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- What year is this?
00:58:31
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- I'm pretty sure it worked,
00:58:32
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because the phone is saying that it did all the things
00:58:35
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and it's, you know, whatever.
00:58:36
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But they're like, okay, well, and I said to them,
00:58:38
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I can't dial anything right now
00:58:39
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because it's doing the phone-to-phone transfer.
00:58:41
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I won't have access to the dialer
00:58:42
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until it finishes the phone-to-phone transfer.
00:58:44
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And he says, that's okay, I'll wait.
00:58:46
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I'm like, it's going to take hours.
00:58:49
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And he's like, no problem, I'll just wait.
00:58:51
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And then he tried to sell me insurance
00:58:53
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and I said, no thanks.
00:58:53
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And then I walked away from the computer
00:58:55
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and I came back, you know, an hour or two later
00:58:58
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and the transfer had finished
00:58:59
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and the webpage had timed out.
00:59:00
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So successful customer service interaction,
00:59:03
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but chalk this up to another year
00:59:06
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where I had to contact Verizon.
00:59:08
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At least I didn't have to go on the phone with them,
00:59:09
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but I had to contact Verizon to get my phone set up.
00:59:11
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After I had gotten over that hurdle,
00:59:13
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the phone-to-phone transfer worked the way it normally does,
00:59:15
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where it forgets the test flight exists
00:59:17
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and rearranges all my icons until I go back to test flight
00:59:20
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and figure out where they all have to belong
00:59:21
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and rearrange them manually.
00:59:23
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Yes, I tried to use iPhone mirroring
00:59:24
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to rearrange them with the mouse.
00:59:26
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It's probably a little bit better,
00:59:29
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but boy, you can really see the insanity of that system
00:59:31
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when you have pixel precise control with a mouse cursor,
00:59:34
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because it's such a cruel game.
00:59:36
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It's like, oh, I went over the one pixel boundary
00:59:38
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and now it switched to the other screen.
00:59:39
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Like it's just, your meat fingers aren't in the way,
00:59:41
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but now I know precisely how insane
00:59:43
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the activation readings are
00:59:44
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and precisely how broken it is
00:59:46
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where you will drag an icon
00:59:47
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and other icons will skitter out of the way
00:59:49
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and leave an empty spot for your icon.
00:59:51
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You will release and Springboard will say, nope,
00:59:54
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and it'll just close that spot back up
00:59:56
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and you'll do it 50 times.
00:59:57
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Drag an icon, put it right where you want it to go.
01:00:00
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Nothing else is there.
01:00:01
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It is dead center on the spot.
01:00:02
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Release disappears like it never existed.
01:00:05
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The system's just broken, so the mouse helps a little bit,
01:00:07
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but anyway, setup worked fine.
01:00:10
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I managed to get through it all and there you go.
01:00:13
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Marco, how was your setup process?
01:00:15
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- Mine was perfectly fine. (laughs)
01:00:17
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- Did you buy unlocked or did you buy as a replacement?
01:00:20
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- I did the thing in the Apple Store app on the phone
01:00:22
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where I say replace this phone on my plan
01:00:25
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and it was simple.
01:00:26
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Now granted, I use AT&T, so everything is mediocre,
01:00:31
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but it worked better than yours. (laughs)
01:00:35
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- Yeah, I don't know what it is.
01:00:36
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I mean, I'm assuming there's some carrier servers
01:00:38
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that are involved in this process
01:00:39
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and the worst part is there's no way to say,
01:00:43
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forget about that, I'll deal with it later.
01:00:44
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Just do the rest of the setup.
01:00:45
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You are stuck on that screen.
01:00:47
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This is activating, this may take a few minutes
01:00:48
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and as far as I know, there's no way to get past it,
01:00:50
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which argues for Casey's thing of like,
01:00:51
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hey, don't you just buy it unlocked
01:00:53
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'cause then at least you can do the phone,
01:00:55
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like the data transfer part of the setup
01:00:57
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and then when you have a functioning working phone
01:01:00
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that just doesn't have a phone number,
01:01:01
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then try to do the eSIM transfer or whatever,
01:01:04
◼
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however you initiate that process.
01:01:06
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- I mean, I will say for whatever it's worth,
01:01:09
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my Apple Watch cellular transfers never work.
01:01:13
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The only way I ever get the watch to work
01:01:15
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is to cancel the plan from AT&T's website for the old watch
01:01:20
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and then have the new watch start over again
01:01:22
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and even then, usually it's like it tries to activate,
01:01:26
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it fails a couple times,
01:01:27
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the plan shows up in the Apple Watch cellular section
01:01:29
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as not in use.
01:01:30
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I gotta like reboot sometimes a couple times.
01:01:33
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I gotta do some dances to get that to work.
01:01:35
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- And you gotta Google to be like,
01:01:36
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wait, do I unpair from the old one first
01:01:38
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or do I not like this?
01:01:39
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This whole, I've done it successfully,
01:01:41
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I use my wife's watch several times and every time I do it,
01:01:43
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I have no confidence that I'm going to be successful.
01:01:45
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I have no recollection of how I did it last time
01:01:47
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or why it worked and I just like cross my fingers
01:01:49
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and just dive in and by the way,
01:01:52
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everything on the watch takes forever.
01:01:53
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I guess it's probably getting better
01:01:54
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as the watches get faster.
01:01:55
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- It doesn't, no. - But it takes so long
01:01:56
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to do anything.
01:01:57
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- No, it's not getting better.
01:01:59
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But the phone transfer, by the way,
01:02:01
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just before we leave this,
01:02:02
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the phone transfer for me was perfectly fine.
01:02:04
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Like the eSIM moved over,
01:02:05
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like it activated just fine in a reasonable amount of time.
01:02:07
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- Did you use a cable?
01:02:09
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- Yeah, I used a cable and I used both.
01:02:11
◼
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I used two of my like fan Peltier Element fans
01:02:14
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that are the active cooling MagSafe fans.
01:02:16
◼
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- I did use ice packs just in honor of Marco.
01:02:18
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I used them briefly but then I got worried
01:02:20
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about condensation and stopped.
01:02:23
◼
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- Very quickly with regard to the watch,
01:02:25
◼
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I had heard a story and I think this was accurate
01:02:30
◼
►
at the time, that the best way to move a watch
01:02:33
◼
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is to unpair on the old phone if I remember correctly.
01:02:36
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- I think it's the only way.
01:02:37
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- No, it'll offer to move it for you.
01:02:39
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It just doesn't usually work with cellular for some reason.
01:02:42
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- Well, so that's the thing.
01:02:43
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So the way it used to be years and years ago
01:02:45
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was you would unpair the watch,
01:02:47
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then do your phone transfer,
01:02:48
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then repair the watch on the new phone.
01:02:50
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This time I didn't do any of that.
01:02:53
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I just waited for the phone to say,
01:02:55
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hey, would you like to move the watch over?
01:02:57
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And I said, yes.
01:02:58
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And it worked.
01:02:59
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Now I do not have cellular though.
01:03:01
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►
I do not have cellular
01:03:02
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and I do think that makes a big difference.
01:03:03
◼
►
- Oh yeah, it does, very much so.
01:03:06
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- It moved, no problem.
01:03:08
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And then when I unboxed my Apple Watch Series 10,
01:03:10
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►
which we'll get to later,
01:03:11
◼
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I said, hey, can you make it,
01:03:13
◼
►
or I think it asked or whatever,
01:03:15
◼
►
do you want this to effectively replace the old one?
01:03:17
◼
►
I said, yes.
01:03:18
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►
And it said, sure.
01:03:18
◼
►
And that worked pretty much no problem.
01:03:20
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►
So my Apple Watch transfer experience was A plus plus.
01:03:24
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Like it was pretty much flawless.
01:03:26
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I was stunned.
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All right, camera control.
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I've used it a decent amount.
01:05:38
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I think it's a good idea.
01:05:42
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The actual usage of it,
01:05:44
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I think they're gonna need to tweak a little bit here
01:05:46
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and there with some of the timings and settings
01:05:49
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and tolerances and things like that.
01:05:50
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But I think overall, I like it.
01:05:52
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It is extremely useful for me
01:05:53
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just as a camera launch button.
01:05:55
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I know a lot of people have been using the action button
01:05:57
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for that over the past year.
01:05:58
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- Yeah, that's what I was doing.
01:06:00
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- And that's totally fine.
01:06:01
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And there are some benefits and drawbacks to that.
01:06:04
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I, as I mentioned in previous episodes,
01:06:06
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I use the action button for flashlight,
01:06:07
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which I actually use a decent amount.
01:06:10
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Although I actually, I am happy to report
01:06:13
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that as I progress through my denial of,
01:06:17
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that I really should be wearing progressive reading glasses
01:06:20
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all the time because my close up reading distance
01:06:22
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is not great anymore.
01:06:24
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But my distance distance viewing is fine.
01:06:28
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And so what I really should be doing
01:06:30
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is wearing progressive reading glasses
01:06:31
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that have no correction on top
01:06:33
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and reading correction on the bottom.
01:06:35
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I have yet to find any that I don't hate.
01:06:37
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So instead what I'm doing is mostly
01:06:39
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not wearing reading glasses
01:06:40
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and just holding stuff out really far to see it.
01:06:43
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But occasionally the system is not sufficient for something.
01:06:48
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And the phone has a magnifier feature built in.
01:06:51
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It has for a very long time
01:06:53
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where it just basically is like a quick little view
01:06:55
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that uses the camera to show you a magnified view
01:06:57
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of whatever you're looking at.
01:06:58
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It's great, especially when you have
01:06:59
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the modern ultra wide lenses that have autofocus
01:07:02
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and so they can actually get very close
01:07:04
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with macro distances to view things like, you know,
01:07:07
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that tiny little print on Apple's power adapters and stuff.
01:07:11
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One of the things I tried to view recently was,
01:07:14
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they have the new MagSafe pucks that charge 25 watts.
01:07:17
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And they look almost identical to the old ones.
01:07:20
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Apparently, I heard from John Gruber actually
01:07:23
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that apparently they are slightly narrower,
01:07:27
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which is going to be really annoying
01:07:29
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when I try to fit it into anything that's made to like,
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you bring your MagSafe adapter into this 3D mount
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or whatever, like that's gonna be annoying.
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I gotta verify that.
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- Like the radius is smaller?
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- Yeah, like apparently the actual size of the circle
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is slightly smaller so it's not gonna fit in, you know,
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docks and stuff that are made to, you know,
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build an Apple's MagSafe pucks.
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But I gotta verify that.
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- But I bet there's some tiny light gray text
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on a slightly darker gray background that you could also--
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- Right, so what I was trying to do is like,
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okay, how do I tell, if I'm holding one of these in my hand,
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how do I tell which one it is?
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'Cause they now, you know, the modern MagSafe pucks now
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with the, you know, the faster charging,
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I believe they're 10 bucks more.
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They're 40 bucks instead of 30 bucks.
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And they have a different entire model number.
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But if you're just looking at it, it's not obvious.
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Like, and they do have a tiny little bit of text
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printed on the metal right next to where the cable
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goes into the metal ring.
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And I could not see this for the life of me.
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So anyway, all this is to say,
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the magnifier's a good feature.
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And what I've actually done,
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since I have the action button as the flashlight,
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now with iOS 18, you can replace the two circular
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3D touch buttons on the bottom of the lock screen,
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the ones that used to be flashlight and camera.
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So I've actually replaced the flashlight one
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with the magnifier.
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I'm happy to announce I have reached that point in aging
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where I'm going to be using the magnifier
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frequently enough on my phone.
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I've already, I just did this like the other day,
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and I've already used it like three times.
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- You can change it to triple tap too.
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That's the one that, that's the real old person move.
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You change magnifier to triple tap with accessibility,
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you just tap the back of the phone three times.
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- I don't need that yet.
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But certainly having it on the lock screen
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on a button I was not using anymore is very useful.
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And then, you know, and so similarly,
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like you can have the camera, you know,
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if you don't want to use Apple's camera app anymore,
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or if you only want to launch it from the camera control,
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then you can reassign the camera circle button
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on the lock screen too to something else.
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This is a whole new area of customization
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that I actually find quite nice.
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But anyway, all that is to say, the camera control,
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therefore being my camera launch button,
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will free up one of those spots for me.
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And so using it as that so far over the last couple days,
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I have enjoyed it, it has proven useful to me.
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The only thing is that so far I have a very,
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I had a very hard time figuring out
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how to navigate the little tools menu inside of it.
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Like that-- - Yep, same.
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- I said this before any of us had ever tried it.
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Remember by using the demos, I'm like, that's modal.
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How are you gonna get out of that mode?
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And I, trying it for real life,
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I experienced the exact same thing,
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the exact problem I predicted.
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I'm like, I'm having that problem.
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I eventually figured it out, but it's not great.
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- Yeah, I think there's gonna be
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a quite learning curve there.
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And I think maybe Apple could tweak some of the like,
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you know, timings and gestures and things on that
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to make that a little bit easier over time.
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'Cause I have found that like the actual,
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like the pushing of the button to open the camera
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and to take pictures, that works great.
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But I keep finding myself like accidentally
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in some of the little menu modes
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to the point where I might just turn them off.
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And the second thing is that as soon as you start using
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those menu modes, it, or even I think even just using it
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for capture, like just pushing the button
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to take the picture, it dims or hides
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all of the camera UI on screen.
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- Yeah, I noticed that too, which surprised me.
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- Yeah, and it keeps it hidden for like a few seconds
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after you hit the picture.
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So like even if you wanna just review the picture
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you just took, you have to like wait two or three seconds
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for it to like fade those controls back in.
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Like it's kind of annoying, like I see what they're going
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for, it just becomes a camera with this control.
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Okay, that's a nice idea, that's very precious.
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In real life, I want those controls back immediately.
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So like as soon as I'm done taking the picture,
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I want those controls.
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Or even if I'm just stuck in the weird, you know,
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camera control menu thingy and I can't figure out
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how to zoom back out or whatever,
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just keep the controls on screen at all times.
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Because yeah, it's great to have them in the camera control.
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It's also great to have them on the screen.
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And a lot of times you're gonna wanna switch
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back and forth between them.
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So that's something that like, I think until Apple
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makes better balances and more usable defaults
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or more usable behaviors with the camera control,
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I don't see myself using it for any of those
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little menu features other than just launching the camera
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and taking a picture.
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Like I think for those it's great, it's convenient.
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The actual implementation of all those little menus
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and things and the way it hides all the controls
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in the main screen, that I think needs some iteration
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to really be useful.
01:11:50
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- All right, so here's my experience
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with the camera control.
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The very first thing that I discovered with my new phone
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with the camera control is that the camera control
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is placed exactly where I apparently grabbed my phone.
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- I've done this a couple times.
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- Like with it, taking it out of the box,
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I kid you not, the phone is not even on.
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I've just taken it out of the box.
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I accidentally hit the camera control button
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three times in under 20 seconds.
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It's not even on, like the phone's not even on.
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I'm hitting the button, which by the way--
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- What part of your hand, are you hitting it
01:12:24
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with like your like--
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- That's apparently where I grab the phone.
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I apparently grab it at the bottom with one,
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you know, my thumb on like the left side
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of where the camera control is and my other finger
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is exactly on the camera control.
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And it's a flush button, it doesn't even stick out.
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I was hitting that button like crazy.
01:12:41
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I'm like, okay, well, I can retrain myself,
01:12:44
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but that's an unfortunate personal habit.
01:12:47
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Apparently I grabbed the phone by the camera control.
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And so I have signed up for hitting that button
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accidentally a lot.
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I'm getting better and unfortunately,
01:12:55
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I think part of the way I'm getting better
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is learning not to press as hard,
01:12:59
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which is good in that I won't activate the flush button
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but bad in that now I'm not gripping the phone as hard
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when I pick it up, which I feel like
01:13:05
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is just an increased drop risk, but that's a thing.
01:13:09
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So setting that aside.
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- Get that Apple care.
01:13:11
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- Yeah, I do have it.
01:13:12
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Using the actual camera control button,
01:13:16
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I would not have predicted this based on their previews
01:13:18
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in our discussion of this,
01:13:19
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but because we had talked about like the whole idea
01:13:21
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of them modeling it after like half press
01:13:24
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on a real camera shutter button.
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And even though that feature for half press focus
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isn't even shipping yet,
01:13:29
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the way you get into those menus
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that Marco was talking about these little things is,
01:13:33
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you essentially half press, right?
01:13:34
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To get to the thing where you can change the zoom
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and the focal depth and that whole menu system.
01:13:39
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And yes, that is modal.
01:13:41
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And the only way I've discovered to get out of it
01:13:42
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is to touch anywhere on the screen,
01:13:44
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which is a reasonable way to get out of it.
01:13:46
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But I kind of wish there was a way to get out of it
01:13:48
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by without taking a picture, by hitting the camera control.
01:13:51
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But I think you have to actually touch the screen to say,
01:13:53
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I want to get out of this mode
01:13:55
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where I'm adjusting things with the camera control, right?
01:13:57
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But here's the kicker.
01:13:58
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This is the thing I wouldn't have predicted.
01:14:00
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The half press on the camera control button
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to activate the menus is unlike any half press
01:14:07
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and any big camera that I've ever used in my entire life
01:14:10
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in that it is way, way more difficult to get to it.
01:14:15
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Like it is a thing that you have to train your fingers to do
01:14:21
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because if you just do what you would do
01:14:23
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to half press a real camera button,
01:14:25
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you've pressed it all the way, that's too far.
01:14:27
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So it's like, how do I half press this button?
01:14:30
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And you have to press so much lighter than you think.
01:14:33
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And I know there's this preference to adjust this
01:14:34
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or whatever, but it's such a strange sensation.
01:14:36
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You're like, am I even pressing it
01:14:39
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or am I just thinking hard about pressing it
01:14:41
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and it activates it?
01:14:42
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You can do it, you can learn to do it,
01:14:45
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but it is so much more of a precise, delicate gesture
01:14:49
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than I expected it to be.
01:14:50
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I fully expected, I've been half pressing shutter buttons
01:14:53
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for years and years, right, decades, right?
01:14:56
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I fully expected it would just be completely natural
01:14:58
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for me to half press it, absolutely not.
01:15:00
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It is so much more delicate than I thought it would be,
01:15:03
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which I don't personally mind
01:15:04
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because I think I'm never going to use those menus
01:15:06
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now that I've experienced them.
01:15:07
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I don't think I'm ever gonna use them to adjust anything.
01:15:10
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Maybe I'll do the zoom one because it has the advantage.
01:15:12
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I hate pinching to zoom.
01:15:13
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It has the advantage that I can zoom
01:15:15
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while having the phone in camera taking position, right,
01:15:19
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in landscape mode or whatever,
01:15:20
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without me having to take one of my hands off of the phone
01:15:23
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and use it to pinch the screen.
01:15:25
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I think zoom is the one that's most likely for me to use,
01:15:27
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but in practice, I've never actually used it
01:15:30
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other than when I was experimenting with it,
01:15:31
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just because I hate going into that mode.
01:15:34
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I can't even decide which one to keep it on.
01:15:35
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I think I settled on keeping it on zoom
01:15:37
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because it's the one I'm most likely to use,
01:15:39
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but I would just much rather adjust those things
01:15:41
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on the screen, and I'm with Marco.
01:15:42
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Like, I understand how the UI goes away
01:15:44
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when you do that or whatever.
01:15:45
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I would just rather always see it.
01:15:47
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Like, again, that should probably be a setting or whatever.
01:15:50
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But, you know, for taking a photo
01:15:52
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and for having it as a shutter button,
01:15:53
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I've heard a lot of people complaining
01:15:54
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that the positioning is bad,
01:15:55
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that it should be closer to the corner,
01:15:57
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and maybe that would have gotten
01:15:58
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that of my accidental activation area,
01:15:59
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but I'm mostly happy with the position.
01:16:01
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I take pretty much all my pictures in landscape mode,
01:16:04
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but occasionally in portrait,
01:16:05
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and I find it works for both of them.
01:16:07
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I have it launching the camera.
01:16:08
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I have it launching the camera on a single press.
01:16:10
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The reason I can get away with it
01:16:11
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is that when I accidentally activate it,
01:16:14
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it's because I'm picking up a locked phone off the table
01:16:16
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or whatever, and when you hit it on a locked phone,
01:16:19
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it doesn't launch the camera app.
01:16:20
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It just, like, wakes it up first,
01:16:21
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and you have to hit it again to launch the camera app,
01:16:24
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which is a nice defense against me
01:16:25
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accidentally launching the camera app.
01:16:27
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I'm still accidentally hitting the button a lot,
01:16:28
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but the consequences are not significant,
01:16:31
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because when I'm doing that,
01:16:32
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it's almost always when I'm picking up a locked phone,
01:16:34
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so I don't actually find myself landing in the camera app.
01:16:37
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Within, I think, maybe less than a minute
01:16:41
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of my wife picking up my phone,
01:16:43
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she'd accidentally taken a picture with the camera control.
01:16:46
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I should have saved it.
01:16:47
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It was like, iPhone unboxing day.
01:16:48
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Here's our first picture of the floor.
01:16:50
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It's a thing, right?
01:16:53
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Again, there's a setting to make the camera control
01:16:55
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require a double click to get into the camera app.
01:16:58
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I don't think I need to use that yet.
01:16:59
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I think I'm building my habits around it,
01:17:01
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but I think the camera control
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was maybe a little bit overly ambitious.
01:17:07
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As a button, it feels good, it clicks good.
01:17:10
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I like the fact that it's touch sensitive.
01:17:13
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The half press I'm not sold on,
01:17:14
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the menu interface I'm not sold on,
01:17:16
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and the upcoming feature that we don't even have yet,
01:17:18
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the half press for focus or whatever they're gonna do,
01:17:21
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I don't think that's gonna make this better.
01:17:22
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They're piling so much stuff onto this button.
01:17:25
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This is not like a version 1.0 button.
01:17:26
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This is the version 4.5 of this button already.
01:17:30
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It does so much stuff.
01:17:31
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It is so overloaded, it has so many capabilities.
01:17:33
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And like I said, maybe it's just me,
01:17:34
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but when you find one of these phones,
01:17:37
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try, you can learn how to get into the menus pretty easily,
01:17:40
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but it's such a strange feeling.
01:17:42
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It's like, press, but don't press.
01:17:44
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It's such a delicate operation.
01:17:46
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It reminds me of some of the finesse moves
01:17:49
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I would have to do with a thumb stick
01:17:50
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in Super Monkey Ball in the GameCube.
01:17:52
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Like when you just really have to learn how to like,
01:17:55
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what the difference between 18 and 17 degrees on the stick is
01:17:59
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as opposed to just being like,
01:18:01
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jam the stick to the left, right, up, down, right?
01:18:04
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So sort of delicate, like just think about pressing it
01:18:08
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and then you'll get into the menus.
01:18:09
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And again, it's not bad because I don't think
01:18:11
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I wanna get into the menus a lot,
01:18:12
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and I do know how to do it now,
01:18:14
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but it is so much, I don't know how to say,
01:18:18
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so much more like, I don't wanna say sophisticated.
01:18:22
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It's so much less straightforward to do.
01:18:27
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Like it requires more mechanical finesse
01:18:30
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than I would have expected.
01:18:31
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Way more mechanical finesse
01:18:32
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than half pressing a shutter button.
01:18:33
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And having handed my very large cameras
01:18:36
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to many people over the years for them to take pictures,
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I can tell you that the average person
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has difficulty half pressing even a gigantic shutter button
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that is very easy in my opinion to half press
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'cause it has like miles of travel
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and you'd literally push it halfway down.
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You cannot push this button halfway down.
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Like the travel is so short.
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If you try to push it halfway down,
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you will completely depress it.
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You have to think about pressing it
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and then you've just half pressed it.
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- Yeah, and I think like it almost gives me
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the feeling of like when I've designed an interface
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in Xcode for my iPhone app
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and I've been using the simulator for most of the design
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and then I run it on the device for the first time
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and I pick it up and I try to use it
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and I instantly feel like, oh, this is all wrong.
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Like this is either too small, too big,
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it doesn't feel right, it doesn't work right.
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You can tell as soon as you try to use it on the device,
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oh, this is wrong.
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That's kinda how I feel with the camera control.
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Like what I was expecting
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based on how they were describing it,
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I was kind of expecting this to work a certain way
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and then as soon as I get it and I try it,
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I'm like, oh, this is wrong.
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Like I would actually call it maybe fiddly
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or like over sensitive and like it's not,
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I don't think I'm lacking appropriate dexterity
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in my index finger to be able to use it
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and there are some case considerations
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which we'll get to in a moment.
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But I think like it's just very finicky to get that right
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and what you don't want with your camera controls
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is imprecision.
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Like when you're using a camera,
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usually you are adjusting--
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- Especially if you're fumbling for it,
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like real quick, oh, we're getting the camera out.
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It's not the time for like a now,
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I'm going to apply the most controlled pressure
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I've ever applied using the tendons in my fingers.
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- Right, and you don't wanna like accidentally
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switch modes or overshoot the setting
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that you were trying to adjust or whatever.
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Like it's very sensitive and finicky in the way it operates.
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And so again, I think it's a good idea.
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I like how it launches the camera and then takes pictures.
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Everything else about it, I really don't like.
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- Yeah, let me fast forward this for Apple.
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Apple, the solution to this, the real version 4.5 of this,
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I mean, I don't know how many years
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in the future this is gonna be
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is to solve all these problems.
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Basically, that entire side of the phone
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needs to be a giant touch sensitive,
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pressure sensitive clicky button.
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Because like for example, zooming and swiping,
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the little interface that appears is maybe a little small,
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but the essentially track pad area, it's a small button.
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That area of like swipe, swipe, swipe,
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it's barely enough to cycle through,
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to satisfactorily cycle through the menus
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while alone being satisfactory for zoom.
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I feel like that whole like side of the phone
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needs to be just one complete featureless thing
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that you can squeeze and it haptically clicks
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and the whole thing is touch sensitive
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and it needs to like go in more.
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I don't know how they solve this problem,
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but it needs, it's strange to say,
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but I feel like the camera control is too small,
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like for what they want it to do.
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If you just want it to be a shutter button
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and you can use it that way, and by the way,
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I will say that is the big benefit of the camera control.
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If all these things we're complaining about,
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you can just ignore them and just say,
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this button is just a binary button
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and I press it all the way or not at all.
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And it works that way.
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I don't think you'll accidentally half press it a lot,
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especially if you're just always saying press, press, right?
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But if they wanna go whole hog
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and have this be like a touch sensitive thing
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to swipe through UIs and stuff like that,
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they need a bigger touch area
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and they need a way bigger button
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and they need just that whole side
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to just be one giant button that also happens to click.
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And I don't know how they do that,
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but that would be better than this tiny little thing.
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- I'll tell you what.
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So there are settings for camera control.
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There are not many of them.
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Right now there are three settings.
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There's what app does it open,
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launch camera with a single click or a double click,
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which you actually might want, John,
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if you're having a lot of accidental input.
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- I mentioned, I don't think I need to go to the double click
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and I also don't think I need to adjust the sensitivity.
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Like I've tried the different settings
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and I feel like that's not the problem.
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- So the third setting is called,
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for some reason it's called clean preview,
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clean preview on or off.
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And it says light press camera control
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to quickly make adjustments.
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- Oh, that leaves the menus up when you activate it.
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Yeah, you're right, it does.
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- Okay, well, honestly that solves one of my problems,
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but not, okay.
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- Yeah, that's true.
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Actually, I agree with you that I do like
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that it leaves all the camera controls up.
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So yes, we have live solved one problem.
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- We made it slightly better, all right.
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I like it better this mode.
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We'll see if I can actually stick with the other controls,
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but that is good.
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Anyway, so let's move on to talk about cases
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and the camera control.
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Poor peak design.
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- And every other third-party case might be that true.
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- I love this case.
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I've been using it now for I think three phones in a row now.
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I don't use it all year,
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but I use it some of the year, as mentioned.
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It is my kind of summer case.
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It's great for if I don't wanna use leather
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'cause it might get wet in the summer or anyway.
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So I love the peak design case.
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They had drama last year with the action button
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where they didn't really know it was coming,
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but they knew something was coming,
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so they left a cutout.
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And it turns out the cutout was,
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it made it too hard to use it
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'cause it was a deep hole and the action button's small,
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and so it made it too hard to use.
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So they had this whole thing where they gave free,
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over a few months, they remade the case.
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They gave free replacements to people
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who bought the first one.
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It was a whole thing.
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I'm sure they lost a ton of money on it,
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but they're a good company,
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and they wanted to serve their customers well.
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I like peak design a lot.
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Anyway, so this year I got their case,
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and it has a cutout not of the entire case edge,
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but just like a camera control-shaped valley
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with sloped sides going into it
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from the other edges of the phone.
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You can see it.
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They have a 360 view on their page.
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And I tried this on my phone immediately,
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and within two hours, I was like,
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this isn't gonna work, no.
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Now there's-- - Yeah, I'm not surprised.
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- There's two problems.
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Number one, the deep valley it creates
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does indeed make it difficult to use the camera control.
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It makes it much harder to use
01:24:40
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because it is not a cover,
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but they can't just do a simple cover
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'cause you can see the way Apple did theirs
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with the Sapphire cover with the conductive layer.
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You gotta make it work
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with all the camera control sensors.
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So instead of doing some kind of complicated button
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that they probably didn't even know was possible
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until Apple released their cases,
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they just made a hole
01:24:58
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with ramps going into it basically from all sides.
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Well, those ramps also hurt my finger.
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They form kind of a sharp edge.
01:25:07
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I'm a left-hand phone user,
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and so one of my fingers
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is basically resting right there all the time,
01:25:14
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and it's just sharp.
01:25:16
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It just feels bad.
01:25:18
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So I feel terrible.
01:25:20
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I gotta say, Peak Design, this is also not good,
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and I feel so bad for them
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'cause I know they're gonna have other people
01:25:28
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saying the same thing.
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And again, two years in a row
01:25:33
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to really screw Casemakers by Apple,
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it's gotta be rough for the Casemakers
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'cause they gotta design cases
01:25:40
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with a bunch of guesses and speculation,
01:25:42
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and they gotta basically follow the rumor mill
01:25:46
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and get whatever info they can get
01:25:47
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and just make a bunch and take a big risk.
01:25:49
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Like, oh, well, we think the dimensions of the phone
01:25:51
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will be this, and we think it's going to have a button here,
01:25:53
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and we think that the button will work like other buttons,
01:25:55
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but we don't know.
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And so it's a big risky business to be in,
01:26:00
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and I gotta say, again,
01:26:02
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I'm not a fan of the Peak Design cases here,
01:26:04
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and maybe they'll do another one sometime
01:26:06
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that has a proper cover over it
01:26:08
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that works with the weird sensors of the button,
01:26:10
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and maybe that'll be better, so I'll keep that in mind.
01:26:13
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But what I did was, so as soon as I used this case,
01:26:18
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I thought, well, I have to go to the Apple Store.
01:26:23
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This is not going to do,
01:26:26
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I'm going to get one of Apple's cases today.
01:26:28
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- Just very briefly, why not go caseless?
01:26:31
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I'm not saying that's the right choice for anyone,
01:26:33
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but that is what I plan to do with this one.
01:26:35
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Why not just go caseless?
01:26:37
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- Number one, I didn't buy AppleCare,
01:26:38
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and I don't really want to,
01:26:39
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'cause I keep saying AppleCare's my case,
01:26:41
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and then I just buy cases anyway,
01:26:43
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and I'm spending like hundreds of dollars
01:26:46
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on AppleCare over the years never to use it,
01:26:48
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so I figure, okay, if I just stop buying it now,
01:26:52
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maybe if I end up having to have an expensive repair,
01:26:56
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then I'll weigh that against all the savings
01:26:58
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that I'll have with AppleCare over the years
01:26:59
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and decide then whether to start changing my policy or not.
01:27:01
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But anyway, so that's the reason.
01:27:04
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And so I'm like, all right, I gotta go to the Apple Store.
01:27:07
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I gotta try their cases.
01:27:09
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So I went to the Apple Store,
01:27:11
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and there was another reason I'll mention in a little bit,
01:27:13
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but I went to the Apple Store,
01:27:14
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and I immediately went over to the case wall.
01:27:18
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They told me, "Oh, go stand over by so-and-so,"
01:27:20
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and I'm like, "Okay,"
01:27:21
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and I directly walked to the opposite direction
01:27:23
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to go over to the case wall,
01:27:25
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'cause I'm like, there's a huge cluster
01:27:26
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of people waiting over there.
01:27:27
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I know I'm not gonna be the first in line.
01:27:29
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I have some time, and I did.
01:27:31
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So anyway, everyone's seen these new Beats cases
01:27:36
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that they have, which are basically just shiny plastic cases.
01:27:40
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They are decent.
01:27:43
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I would say they come in zero good colors.
01:27:47
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They do feel very cheap.
01:27:49
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The outside has not much grip,
01:27:51
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'cause it's not like a TPU kind of plastic.
01:27:53
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It's like a shiny shell kind of plastic.
01:27:56
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So there's no grip to it whatsoever.
01:28:00
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And I was like, "Oh, that's kinda not great."
01:28:04
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I almost bought one,
01:28:06
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'cause the Beats cases are very light and very thin,
01:28:09
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which is nice, but it's like a peel case.
01:28:13
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You can get that for cheaper in better colors
01:28:16
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from other manufacturers very easily.
01:28:17
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- Let me offer a differing opinion,
01:28:19
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considering the Beats cases now on my phone right now.
01:28:21
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- Okay, which mediocre color did you get?
01:28:24
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- Gray, dark gray, whatever.
01:28:26
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Yeah, the color's not great,
01:28:27
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and it's got lines on the back for no reason.
01:28:30
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I think the Beats case, I think the shape is nice.
01:28:35
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I think it does feel more expensive
01:28:37
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than your average plastic case,
01:28:38
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simply because the shape is very precise and consistent,
01:28:42
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like the buttons, which are just plastic or whatever.
01:28:44
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The buttons are precise.
01:28:46
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The edges of the case are precise.
01:28:48
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It is rounded over in all of the right places.
01:28:50
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It feels kind of like a giant iPhone 5C, which I liked.
01:28:53
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It is shiny plastic.
01:28:57
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It is not as grippy as leather case, not by far,
01:28:59
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although it is grippier than I thought it would be.
01:29:01
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It is probably about as grippy as Apple's clear cases are,
01:29:05
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which is, again, it's not as grippy as rubber,
01:29:07
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definitely not as grippy as silicone,
01:29:09
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but it's grippier than I thought it would be
01:29:10
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just because of the tackiness.
01:29:12
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It shows fingerprints disgustingly.
01:29:16
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- I noticed that in the store, actually.
01:29:18
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That's one of the reasons I didn't buy it,
01:29:19
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because I noticed that
01:29:20
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when I was just handling the sample ones.
01:29:22
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- Yeah, one of the great things about leather,
01:29:24
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it'll absorb all the oils from my fingers.
01:29:26
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- This plastic will not, it is covered with oils,
01:29:28
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but I do have to say for this case,
01:29:30
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and by the way, the reason I got it, of course,
01:29:32
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is because it has a bare bottom, and it does.
01:29:34
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Even the edge is the bare bottom.
01:29:35
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I think this case is beautifully,
01:29:37
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precisely shaped and formed.
01:29:39
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I like everything about it,
01:29:40
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except for the material that it is made out of,
01:29:42
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which is a big thing for a case, right?
01:29:44
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But I'm not gonna say I'm happy with my purchase,
01:29:48
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because I am looking forward
01:29:50
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to finding a suitable leather case
01:29:52
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that I can replace it with, but I'll say this.
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I am happier with this case than I was
01:29:57
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with the Apple Clear case, which also has a bare bottom,
01:29:59
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that I bought for my 14 Pro, right?
01:30:01
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So I've tried the Clear cases, they're not for me.
01:30:04
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This, if I had to live with this, I could tolerate it,
01:30:07
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but it is nowhere near as nice as my leather one.
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So I, you know, go to the store and check it out.
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Marco looked at it, he thought it felt cheap.
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I think it feels very nice and solid and precise
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and good and grippier than I thought it would.
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It's just not that, you know,
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the oil situation is a problem, it's not as grippy.
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Even the ridge around the camera,
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I've used a lot of cases, first party and third party,
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that have like a vertical wall around the camera mesa,
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and the Beats case, it's almost vertical, but not quite.
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It's got just enough of a slant to it
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that it feels less cheap to me
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than just like a big vertical wall
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stuck into the back of the case.
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I guess it does have a circle on the line
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for MagSafe on the back for reasons that escape me,
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because it's not a Clear case, why do you need to do that?
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It does have a Beats logo on the side,
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but I actually give a pretty good rating to the Beats case
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if you can tolerate the material that's made out of,
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which I can almost tolerate.
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- Yeah, my plan, if I bought it, which I didn't,
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but my plan was to take a magic eraser
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to the Beats logo on the side and see if I can get rid of it.
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- Nah, you don't wanna scuff it up.
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Although, actually, by the way,
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one tiny bit of real-time follow-up,
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we mentioned already the camera control,
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which we'll get to in a second on the Beats case,
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I'm assuming, the camera control has the settings
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for like how hard you want it to be.
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That's the reason, I always forget where these things are.
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That was in accessibility.
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You know what else is in accessibility?
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It's settings, accessibility, camera control.
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In accessibility, under camera control,
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there is a toggle to just turn off the camera control
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if you just don't wanna deal with it, so that's great.
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There's also a toggle to turn off
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the whole light press to show adjustments.
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If you don't want that feature at all, period,
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you can just turn that off.
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And there's also, finally, a toggle
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for how quickly you have to double-press it
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if you wanna use the double-press feature.
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It's just got default slow and slower
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if you can't double-press it that quickly, right?
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So kudos to Apple for giving enough adjustability
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to say, hey, the massive overreach that we've done
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with this camera control, you can just turn most of that off
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until you get it to the point where you think it is suitable.
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I'm gonna leave everything on, but like I said,
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I probably just won't use the adjustment feature.
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- That's interesting, we'll play with that.
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- But again, it's not in camera control,
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it's in accessibility, so these settings
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are always in weird places, and if you search
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for camera control, you won't find it,
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so settings, accessibility, camera control.
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Anyway, so I ended up, for at least the moment,
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I ended up with the Apple silicone case.
01:32:25
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Which is funny, I got it in lake green,
01:32:27
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which is not at all green, like it is blue.
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It is absolutely blue, there is nothing about this.
01:32:33
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- Did you take that website test?
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- Of course I did.
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But there's nothing about this that is green.
01:32:40
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But anyway, it's a nice weird middle blue, it's not green.
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But it's a nice color.
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Anyway, I ended up with silicone case for now.
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- This looks green on screen, I do not deny
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that it may look blue. - See one in person.
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Trust me, when you see it in person,
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you're like, oh that's that color?
01:32:56
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I had to check, I had to pull out the little drawer
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in the Apple store that it was on and read the boxes
01:33:00
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to see like, is this really that color?
01:33:04
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- Just to very quickly interject here,
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I typically do not like Apple silicone cases.
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I feel like they're way too tacky.
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I really just viscerally do not like them,
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and I can't, other than the tackiness,
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I can't really put my finger on why.
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And I did go and look at a bunch of the ones
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at the Apple store today while I was waiting
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for the back room to bring me,
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or backstage to bring me my stuff.
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And I gotta say, I feel like if I do end up wanting a case,
01:33:33
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that might be the direction I go.
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Because it's a lot less tacky than it used to be.
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And it feels nice.
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Like, granted I didn't have one in hand,
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I was just petting it on the wall of cases.
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But it is definitely worth looking into again,
01:33:48
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if you're like, if you like me,
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wrote it off many, many years ago.
01:33:51
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- Yeah, I mean I'll tell you like the,
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the reason I always shied away from it in the past
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was I didn't like that it was so tacky
01:33:59
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that it was actually difficult
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to get in and out of pants pockets.
01:34:03
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That is still the case.
01:34:04
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I think it might be a little bit less annoying,
01:34:07
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but maybe I'm just giving up.
01:34:09
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But it is still annoying to get in and out of pants pockets.
01:34:12
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So that's, it's not like, it's not terrible,
01:34:15
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but it's not graceful in that way.
01:34:17
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Also, it does have a bottom lip, and it's fairly thick.
01:34:21
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So like, to do edge gestures,
01:34:24
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you are running into the silicone a lot.
01:34:26
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So it is a very protective case,
01:34:27
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in the sense that like, if you're worried about a case
01:34:30
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like for actually protecting your phone
01:34:32
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against drops and stuff,
01:34:32
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it's probably a pretty good choice for that.
01:34:35
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And the camera control implementation
01:34:38
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on all of Apple's cases is just great.
01:34:41
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Like, it just feels like the button got extended.
01:34:44
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It is still flush with the case,
01:34:46
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just like it is flush with the phone.
01:34:48
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The button feels well, it feels right, it works right.
01:34:51
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Like, it feels and works pretty much exactly
01:34:54
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the way it does on the bare phone.
01:34:56
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- Yeah, I tested the camera control with no case
01:34:58
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in the beginning, just to make sure
01:35:00
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I was getting the full experience.
01:35:01
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And then when I put the Beats case on it, same deal.
01:35:03
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They did a great job.
01:35:03
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Like, it really, it really does,
01:35:05
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it doesn't feel any less precise or any more difficult
01:35:08
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or anything like that, and it's nice and flush.
01:35:10
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They did a good job.
01:35:12
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Be great if third parties could have done the same thing.
01:35:13
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Although I did see one, now, as you would imagine,
01:35:16
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my Instagram ads are 98% ads for iPhone cases
01:35:19
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and 2% ads for Marco's car.
01:35:22
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But anyway, yeah, there is one third-party case manufacturer,
01:35:26
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I forget what the name is,
01:35:27
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it's like SU case or something or whatever,
01:35:29
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advertising the fact that they presumably will have
01:35:33
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like the quartz pass-through thing or whatever.
01:35:36
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Everyone else just has holes
01:35:38
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or they leave out that section of the case.
01:35:40
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But I feel like this is totally possible
01:35:42
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for third parties to do.
01:35:43
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Technologically speaking,
01:35:44
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they just didn't have enough information
01:35:46
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to implement it in time for launch.
01:35:48
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So I'm hoping there will be third-party cases
01:35:50
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that implement this.
01:35:50
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But Apple's implementation is, it's really good.
01:35:53
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- Yeah, and I mean, geez, I would have loved to have
01:35:57
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some kind of like Apple premium fabric
01:35:59
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of some kind case this year.
01:36:01
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Like something that is not plastic and not silicone.
01:36:04
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- Something that doesn't have a bottom lip, Apple.
01:36:06
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- Yeah, I mean, and so, you know, the clear case,
01:36:08
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like maybe, I might go with that in the future,
01:36:10
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I don't know yet.
01:36:12
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I mean, I'm gonna try the silicone case for a while,
01:36:15
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but it is jeans season and it does suck
01:36:17
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to get it in and out of jeans pockets.
01:36:19
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And I do that many times a day.
01:36:21
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So it's a little annoying.
01:36:21
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- If you're gonna try the clear one, try the Beats one.
01:36:24
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They are very similar in feel.
01:36:26
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And I think the Beats one feels a little bit nicer.
01:36:28
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- The Beats one, though, like I noticed those fingerprints
01:36:31
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when I was playing within the store.
01:36:32
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And I'm like, if I made it look that bad in two minutes--
01:36:34
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- They're on the clear one too,
01:36:35
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they're just a little bit harder to see.
01:36:37
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- Well, yeah, but the silicone, you don't see it at all.
01:36:40
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So I don't know.
01:36:41
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I'd probably just stick with silicone for a while until,
01:36:42
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I mean, maybe the bull strap one would be really good,
01:36:44
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I don't know, but I don't think so.
01:36:46
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- You got that, but you haven't opened it yet?
01:36:49
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- I'm at the beach and it's over there in the mainland.
01:36:52
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- All right, well, my case is coming on Wednesday,
01:36:54
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so next episode I will be able to tell you
01:36:55
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about the bull strap case.
01:36:56
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But Marco's tale of the sloped pit on the Peak Design one
01:37:01
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does not fill me with hope,
01:37:02
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because that's exactly the design the pull strap is using.
01:37:04
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We'll see how it goes.
01:37:05
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- Yeah, I think this is gonna be similar to last year
01:37:08
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with the action button.
01:37:09
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I think this is gonna be like a lot of people realizing,
01:37:11
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oh, no, I've made the wrong case decision.
01:37:14
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And a lot of case makers realizing,
01:37:15
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oh, no, we've made the wrong cases.
01:37:17
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And I think this is gonna be a big shakeup year for that,
01:37:20
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and another good year for Apple cases.
01:37:23
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Cynically, you can maybe think,
01:37:24
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maybe that's why they're doing it,
01:37:25
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but no, I don't think that's the reason.
01:37:26
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But I do wish that, and gotta give Apple credit.
01:37:30
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The Beats cases are new.
01:37:31
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That's something that kind of came out of nowhere.
01:37:33
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The way Apple uses the Beats brand, to me,
01:37:36
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is sometimes a little bit puzzling,
01:37:38
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especially in recent years.
01:37:39
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But hey, some good stuff comes out of it.
01:37:41
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And so they did add more cases than before.
01:37:46
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They took away the fine woven, okay.
01:37:49
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They added the Beats ones, okay.
01:37:52
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- Which has no bottom,
01:37:53
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which shows they still know that's a thing.
01:37:55
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- Yeah, it's fine.
01:37:58
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I do wonder, are they ever gonna try
01:38:00
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some kind of premium fabric again?
01:38:02
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I hope they do, 'cause honestly,
01:38:04
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Apple's work with fabrics and textiles in general
01:38:08
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on the watch side has been great.
01:38:10
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They do amazing things over there.
01:38:12
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And part of the reason I like the Peak Design cases
01:38:15
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►
is that they have the rim, the edge around the sides
01:38:20
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is some kind of plastic-y, rubbery thing.
01:38:22
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But then the back of the case is really nice fabric.
01:38:26
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And it makes a very good feeling.
01:38:28
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In fact, when I was at the Apple store checking out
01:38:32
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the Apple store employee who was ringing me up,
01:38:36
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I was showing her, 'cause she was asking about the cases,
01:38:38
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and I was showing her the Peak Design one,
01:38:40
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►
and I let her handle it, and she's like,
01:38:42
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"Oh, this feels really nice."
01:38:44
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Peak Design does very, very good fabric work.
01:38:48
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So does Apple.
01:38:49
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They just don't make fabric cases right now.
01:38:51
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I hope that they revisit that.
01:38:53
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Obviously, fine woven wasn't it.
01:38:56
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But they make lots of other great fabrics
01:38:58
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they have over time with the watch bands and everything,
01:39:00
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so I know they can do it.
01:39:01
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So hopefully over time, their case lineup
01:39:04
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continues to evolve and expand.
01:39:06
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Because even before the fine woven thing,
01:39:10
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it was usually the case that Apple's,
01:39:12
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if you wanted a nice leather case for your iPhone,
01:39:15
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Apple's leather case was usually either
01:39:17
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the nicest one you could get,
01:39:18
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►
or one of the nicest ones you can get.
01:39:21
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And that's why everyone bought them.
01:39:22
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'Cause it's like, "Oh, well we know
01:39:23
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"they're gonna do a good job.
01:39:25
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"We knew it was consistent, we knew the buttons
01:39:27
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"would line up, it would be good quality,
01:39:29
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"it would not have weird branding or anything."
01:39:31
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It would be just a good, basic leather case.
01:39:34
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And yeah, sometimes the corners wouldn't wear
01:39:37
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as well as you wanted them to or whatever,
01:39:38
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but you get the black one and it's pretty safe,
01:39:40
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and you kinda knew how to do it.
01:39:42
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It was always a good, safe bet if you wanted
01:39:44
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a guaranteed pretty good case that you could buy
01:39:46
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on day one and be pretty sure it would be the right choice.
01:39:48
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It was the Apple leather case.
01:39:49
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And I feel like right now we don't have that,
01:39:52
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unless you love silicone.
01:39:53
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In which case, it's the Apple silicone case.
01:39:55
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But then I don't know what else to say after that.
01:39:58
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- Yeah, I don't know, just go caseless.
01:40:00
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That's what the cool kids do.
01:40:01
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- And then the phone just slides off the flat surfaces.
01:40:04
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- It's not that terrible.
01:40:06
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- And then your fingerprints are all over your actual phone,
01:40:08
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and so are all the nicks and scrapes.
01:40:10
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- I mean, the physical condition of my Pro Max,
01:40:13
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leaving aside my freaking ruined screen,
01:40:16
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like the back of it, the sides of it, that's all fine.
01:40:18
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And I did use a case occasionally,
01:40:20
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but for the most part, I didn't.
01:40:22
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And physically, it's in really, really good shape.
01:40:25
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It's just the screen that's adding spares.
01:40:28
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- Yeah, speaking of a final thing on cases,
01:40:31
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this is a good time to refresh people
01:40:34
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who haven't been listening to the show for years and years.
01:40:37
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I always make reference to the naked robotic core idea,
01:40:40
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and for people who don't know what that is,
01:40:43
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it is the idea that I think I talked about
01:40:45
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back in the hypercritical days originally,
01:40:47
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that you will make a product
01:40:49
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that omits as much stuff as possible,
01:40:52
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because someone who buys your product
01:40:53
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can always add things to it,
01:40:55
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but they can't take things away.
01:40:56
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So for example, in the case of the iPhone,
01:40:58
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you can imagine making a smartphone
01:41:02
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that has a grippy rubber back on it
01:41:04
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that is not as slippery as the phones that Apple makes.
01:41:07
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But if you don't want a grippy rubber back,
01:41:09
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and the phone comes with one,
01:41:11
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and that is literally the back of the phone,
01:41:12
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►
you can't remove that.
01:41:14
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►
So the naked robotic core theory is,
01:41:16
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ship the smallest, most minimal thing possible,
01:41:20
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and then anybody who wants something can add it to it.
01:41:23
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But people who want nothing
01:41:24
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get the smallest, minimal product possible.
01:41:27
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And it is, I don't know if Apple espouses this theory,
01:41:30
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it's a thing that I came up with
01:41:31
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to explain Apple's apparent design decisions on their phone,
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and I think they continue along those lines.
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And the specific instance with the iPhone 16 is,
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I think Marco talked about this maybe in the past episode,
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they're shrinking the bezels around the screen,
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just year after year, millimeter after millimeter.
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It's not like there was a big, giant one-inch border
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like there was on the original iPad.
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The border around the screen on the iPhone
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has always been pretty small,
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but Apple's like, "No, we need to make it smaller."
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Because that border is a thing that if you don't want it,
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you can't remove it from the phone.
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You can always add a border by putting a case on it,
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but if you get a phone and you want no border,
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you can't have that
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unless we ship you the naked robotic core.
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And then it's up to you to decide.
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If they could ship it with zero border, they would,
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like if Samsung phone with the screen
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goes over the edge around it or whatever.
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They're getting real close to essentially having zero border.
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And you can decide, is zero border what you want?
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If not, add a case.
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And now the screen is so close to the edge
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that I've heard from so many people with iPhone 16s
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that they're accidentally activating things on the screen
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simply by the act of holding the phone,
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because the meat of their fingers wraps around
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and ends up touching the screen part.
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And yes, the iPhone and iOS has all sorts of like,
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what we would call in the iPad palm rejection,
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but essentially touch rejection,
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rejecting what the OS thinks is an inadvertent touch,
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but it's not enough for some people.
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There's still some of their touches are getting through.
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And by the way, I think there's a fun one
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where like if you touch the screen
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where right by the camera control,
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where like the little camera control controls
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would appear on the screen.
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If you touch the screen there
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and then try to do anything else anywhere on the screen,
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all your touches are ignored,
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which I think is probably like a feature
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having to do with people
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trying to swipe the camera control or something,
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or maybe it's a bug, I don't know.
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But anyway, they've gotten so naked robotic core
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with the 16 line,
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that people are now having to make the choice
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to get a case simply because
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they cannot avoid accidental input
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because now the screen is so close to the edge
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they just can't avoid it entirely.
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So that is a possible thing to think about of like,
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am I gonna go caseless?
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Yeah, they're giving you the most minimal,
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you know, they're trying to get closer
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to that naked robotic core ideal
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that they don't know about,
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but it's just a thing that I made up,
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but that's what they're doing.
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Like this is me explaining what they're actually doing.
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And if you don't like it,
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your choice is to put a case on it.
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'Cause that's the only way to get your fingers
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farther away from that screen surface.
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- Yeah, that's part of the reason I use a case now,
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because as I mentioned a couple episodes ago,
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like I tried without a case,
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I'm on the 15 Pro at the end there,
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and I kept causing accidental input on the screen.
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And I'm actually, honestly,
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I'm finding that problem a little bit with the new watch too,
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I'll get to that when we get to talk about that.
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But like, you know, as the screens get pushed out
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further and further to the edges, that's what happens.
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You have less space to hold the phone with your fingers
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without causing input.
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And it's something that you can get used to,
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but like, I don't know,
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like I feel like I wasn't really asking
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for the bezels to get narrower.
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- It's like a robotic core.
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It's like, hey, some people want the most minimal phone
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and they can't get that unless we ship it.
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You can always add a case.
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And there, your problem is solved
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with the people who want the most minimal.
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Now you can argue, okay, no one wants it this minimal.
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Like human fingers are squishy.
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Like people's fingers are going to overlap.
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And I also agree kind of on the 14 Pro,
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which had pretty big bezels, right?
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But the 14 Pro that I was using previously,
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I was constantly finding that somehow some fleshy part
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of my hand was touching the right edge of the screen
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when I was in landscape mode and causing YouTube
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to fast forward, because they added that thing
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where if you like hold on the right edge of the video,
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it like fast forwards or whatever.
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And I'm like, oh, here's some accidental input
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that I hadn't thought about before.
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Or like just, it's, they're getting close to like,
01:45:10
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you know, is this robotic core too naked?
01:45:13
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Will everyone who buys this phone need a case?
01:45:17
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Like, because again, the idea of naked robotic core
01:45:19
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is provide the phone that is, you know,
01:45:22
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naked for the people who want it
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because they can't remove stuff from them.
01:45:25
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But like at a certain point, it's like, okay,
01:45:26
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but who wants this?
01:45:28
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Who wants the bezels to be this small?
01:45:30
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And if the bezels are going to be that small,
01:45:31
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maybe the stainless steel, titanium, whatever the hell,
01:45:35
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aluminum, aluminum and titanium,
01:45:36
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maybe that band should be thicker.
01:45:39
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At which point, like, why did you even remove the bezels?
01:45:41
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And now you're just adding them back
01:45:42
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by making the band thicker or whatever.
01:45:44
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But it's a thing for Apple to think about.
01:45:45
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And I know they're probably going to try to solve this
01:45:47
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with software of like, oh, we just need to tweak
01:45:49
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the touch rejection around the edges,
01:45:51
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which iOS has had for ages
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and apparently is slightly buggy with iOS 18.0.
01:45:55
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But like, I'm not sure that's the solution.
01:45:57
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So they may be approaching kind of like a,
01:45:59
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asymptotically approaching the ideal bezel size.
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Again, setting aside the old like phones,
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I think Samsung made a few of these
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and sort of other people where the screen
01:46:07
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was like a waterfall and it curved over the edge.
01:46:09
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So you could actually look at the side of the phone
01:46:10
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and see a portion of the screen.
01:46:12
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I don't think that was a great idea either
01:46:13
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and I think Apple agrees there.
01:46:15
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But their current screen and the current bezels
01:46:17
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are really, really pushing the limit.
01:46:20
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- Well, I mean, I might argue that like,
01:46:23
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since most people seem, appear to use cases,
01:46:26
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including, yes, we all saw the Johnny Ive picture
01:46:28
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within the New York Times where there was some article
01:46:31
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in New York Times that had a picture of Johnny Ive
01:46:32
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at some dinner and it showed him holding up an iPhone
01:46:35
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in an Apple silicone case.
01:46:37
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And everyone's like, oh my God, look,
01:46:39
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even Johnny Ive uses a case on his iPhone now.
01:46:41
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- That's notable because I think that,
01:46:43
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I think maybe Gruber even asked this at some thing
01:46:45
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where they, he asked a bunch of Apple executives,
01:46:47
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do you use a case on your phone?
01:46:48
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- That was at the Antennagate press conference.
01:46:50
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- It was, Johnny Ive wasn't on stage for that though, was he?
01:46:53
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- No, I believe it was Jobs, Tim Cook, and Eddy Cue, I think?
01:46:58
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- Yeah, and they were all like,
01:46:59
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no, they took out their phones, they were all naked.
01:47:00
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Well, guess what, Ive uses a case,
01:47:03
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apparently now in his old age anyway.
01:47:04
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- Yeah, anyway, but yeah, like I would argue that,
01:47:08
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you know, since so many people,
01:47:11
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I would assume it's probably a pretty sizable majority
01:47:16
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of the iPhone user base uses a case,
01:47:18
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then that is what you should be designing for.
01:47:22
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Like if people are gonna use cases anyway,
01:47:25
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why design for the fraction of the audience
01:47:29
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who's not gonna use them?
01:47:30
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You actually should optimize the phone
01:47:33
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for the much more common case of case usage.
01:47:36
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So it does actually make sense.
01:47:38
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- Well, they kind of are,
01:47:39
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like the no bezel case is designed for a case,
01:47:42
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'cause if we just assume everyone
01:47:44
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is gonna put a case on this,
01:47:45
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then we don't wanna waste any space inside the case
01:47:47
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that doesn't have the screen.
01:47:48
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We'll let the case be the border,
01:47:50
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and then people can decide how thick a border they want
01:47:52
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by picking how thick a case they want.
01:47:53
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They're arguably doing that,
01:47:55
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but the fact that so many Apple executives
01:47:57
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and so many people in real life
01:47:58
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continue to use the phone without a case
01:48:00
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shows that the caseless scenario is not zeroed out, right?
01:48:04
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I mean, at the very least,
01:48:04
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if Apple executives continue to insist
01:48:06
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that they don't use cases on their phones,
01:48:08
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at the very least, they're living the no case,
01:48:10
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and so is Casey, the no case, the caseless, sorry, lifestyle.
01:48:13
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- Caseless, caseless, yep.
01:48:14
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- Right, so it's not like nobody, right?
01:48:17
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Maybe we should talk to them about,
01:48:18
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what are the percentages?
01:48:19
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Is it more people than want an iPhone mini, huh, huh?
01:48:21
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Anyway. (laughs)
01:48:23
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- Real-time follow-up from like 20 minutes ago,
01:48:25
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'cause I forgot to go look.
01:48:27
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Belkin Ultra Glass 2 screen protector for iPhone 16 Pro.
01:48:31
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So it is glass, as far as I can tell,
01:48:33
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not only because of the name,
01:48:34
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but from what I can tell based on the packaging.
01:48:36
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But yeah, I'll put a link in the show notes.
01:48:38
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I'll put it in Slack for you two to look at if you care.
01:48:40
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But I believe it is honest to goodness glass.
01:48:43
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- And it is not rounded over.
01:48:45
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- No, it is not. (laughs)
01:48:47
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So, but the good news is, like I believe I had said earlier,
01:48:50
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allegedly, if you screw something up,
01:48:52
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then you can get a new one for free
01:48:54
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and have the Apple store put back on for you.
01:48:57
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Anyway, yeah, the case situation, not great,
01:48:59
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which is part of the reason
01:48:59
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why I am going caseless, caseless again.
01:49:04
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All right, do we wanna talk Apple Watch
01:49:06
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or do we wanna talk AirPods first?
01:49:08
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- Can we talk photo styles briefly?
01:49:10
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- Oh yes, I'm sorry, I completely skipped that.
01:49:13
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This, I've only played with this very briefly,
01:49:15
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but I'm really digging this.
01:49:18
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One of the things that I didn't talk too much about
01:49:21
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during the HP Insider special
01:49:25
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is I just don't really edit my pictures
01:49:29
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other than doing color correction
01:49:30
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in the most basic, like, silly, well, not silly,
01:49:34
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but like simple color correction that I can possibly do.
01:49:36
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So if I take a photo inside and everything looks blue,
01:49:39
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I'll try to do color correction to make it look, you know,
01:49:41
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the color it's supposed to be.
01:49:43
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With these photo styles,
01:49:44
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and especially since they're like a sidecar,
01:49:47
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maybe that's not the right term,
01:49:48
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but it's, you know, additional information
01:49:50
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that's kind of, you know, attached to the photo,
01:49:53
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so you can go in and revisit it later,
01:49:56
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I'm really liking this.
01:49:57
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And this, for me, for my simple brain,
01:50:00
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this is the right amount of editing for a photo.
01:50:03
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I don't want to have 85 different sliders to tweak,
01:50:06
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I just wanna mouse around in that like track pad of dots
01:50:10
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that they present to you,
01:50:11
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so you get this like grid of dots
01:50:13
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and you can like kind of swirl around in there
01:50:16
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and it'll, you know, live update the photo
01:50:18
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and show the results of that change.
01:50:20
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And I forget exactly what you're editing,
01:50:22
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I think it's tone and contrast or something like that,
01:50:24
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maybe one of you know,
01:50:25
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but that to me is the correct amount of editing.
01:50:28
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And I've only done this like once or twice
01:50:30
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'cause I've only had the phone for a few hours,
01:50:31
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but I'm really digging this so far.
01:50:33
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I haven't gotten to the point of setting a new default,
01:50:36
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but I really, really like having this
01:50:38
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as a means and mechanism to edit pictures
01:50:41
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that I think just need that little extra like zhuzh.
01:50:45
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- Spoilers for an upcoming episode,
01:50:46
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but there is an Ask ATP that somewhere buried down
01:50:48
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in our giant queue of Ask ATP that asks about photo editing
01:50:51
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and I will say that this camera control,
01:50:54
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the photographic styles control that he's talking about,
01:50:57
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a grid of dots that lets you change things after the fact,
01:51:00
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is an interesting sort of entry
01:51:02
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into the photo editing UI spectrum.
01:51:07
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Obviously the one end is like I never edit my photos
01:51:09
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and the other end is like Lightroom, right, or whatever.
01:51:11
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And somewhere in the middle is this grid thing,
01:51:13
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which is nice in that like Casey doesn't even know
01:51:16
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what the axes stand for, but it doesn't matter.
01:51:18
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But the whole point is you put your thumb in that thing,
01:51:19
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you move it around and you move it around
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until you like how the picture looks, right?
01:51:23
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I mean, that's not so many places you can move it.
01:51:26
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It's like up, down, left, right.
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I don't even know how many rows and columns there are,
01:51:28
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but there's not a million of them, right?
01:51:30
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And you move it until the picture looks good to you.
01:51:32
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Now I will say that one of the problems
01:51:36
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with systems like this is people who don't have
01:51:39
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a lot of experience editing photos
01:51:42
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often aren't the best judge of what looks good to them.
01:51:46
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And that may sound ridiculous.
01:51:47
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Like of course, everyone knows what looks good to them.
01:51:49
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It's their opinion.
01:51:50
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In the moment when you're editing,
01:51:52
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you will stop when it looks good to you.
01:51:54
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But then a year from now,
01:51:55
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when you look back at the picture,
01:51:56
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you may find yourself saying,
01:51:57
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"Why does this picture look weird?"
01:51:59
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Well, it looked good to you
01:52:00
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when you were using that control at the time you did it.
01:52:02
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But now looking back, it actually looks kind of odd.
01:52:05
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It does help to have some understanding of what you're doing
01:52:08
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to know what goals that you wanna get to.
01:52:10
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It's kind of like going to the TV store,
01:52:12
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as we've talked about before,
01:52:13
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and saying, "That TV looks amazing."
01:52:14
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Yeah, 'cause it's on vivid mode
01:52:15
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where every color is oversaturated
01:52:17
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and the brightness is cranked up and it looks very striking,
01:52:21
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but that's not how you want your TV to look.
01:52:24
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Experience editing photos will help you avoid
01:52:27
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sort of the vivid valley, I guess, of like,
01:52:30
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"Oh no, I moved my thumb on this control
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"until it looked good to me,
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"but I didn't realize that I'm making all my pictures
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"look like Samsung photographs or everything."
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Old style Samsung photographs where everything's all blown out
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and every color is oversaturated
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and everything is too contrasty or whatever.
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Anyway, you do you, but the beauty of the photographic styles
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is if you find out you've made a terrible mistake
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and your taste in thumb placement
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on that four-way controller bad,
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you can always go change it later
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and you can even just turn it off
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and go back to one of the preset modes.
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- Marco, thoughts, have you played with this any?
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- Only a little bit, I need more time with it.
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- So I have played with it,
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and I decided even before I got this phone
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that my plan was I'm going to change
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my default photographic style,
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because I know it's non-destructive
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and if I end up not liking it,
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like the default one that it comes to
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is like called standard, right?
01:53:16
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That's just like, hey, it's gonna look like iPhone pictures.
01:53:17
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This year's iPhone pictures with this OS
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and this hardware, standard, right?
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And that's what all my previous pictures have been like,
01:53:23
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obviously, and I mostly like them,
01:53:26
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but I know what iPhone pictures look like,
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the processing they do or whatever,
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and it's not exactly to my taste.
01:53:33
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I decided that my default photographic style
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is going to be natural.
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What is the difference between standard and natural?
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I think they don't overboost the saturation as much.
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Maybe there's less sharpening.
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All I know is that it looks closer
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to how I think I want them to look.
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Maybe I'm wrong.
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Maybe I'll take a year's worth of pictures in natural
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and I'll look back at them and I'll say, you know what?
01:53:56
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I wish these were all in standard.
01:53:57
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Well, guess what?
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I can go change them back to standard if I feel that way,
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but I don't plan on using that big four-way control
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'cause I like to edit it in photos,
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which is maybe one step up from the four-way control.
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It's not all the way to the Lightroom,
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but it is, I'm familiar with the controls in photos
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and I know how to tweak them
01:54:11
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to look the way I currently like them to look,
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although that changes over the years,
01:54:14
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see our photos episode that we talked about this,
01:54:17
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but I'm gonna go with natural.
01:54:18
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I'm gonna go with natural as my default
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and I'm never gonna touch it
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and I'm gonna see how I like it.
01:54:22
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- You know, did you go into settings for the camera
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and do the photographic style setting?
01:54:28
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- I did, I used the camera control to do it.
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I set it to standard, I set it to natural rather
01:54:32
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and it just stays on natural.
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- Well, because the reason I ask is
01:54:34
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when you drill into settings camera photographic styles,
01:54:37
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it brings up a screen and it says photographic styles.
01:54:40
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To begin, select four of your favorite photos
01:54:42
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captured with this iPhone.
01:54:45
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Photographic styles lets you personalize
01:54:47
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how you appear in photos
01:54:48
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with incredible nuance to get the look you want.
01:54:50
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Now I haven't taken enough photos to do this yet,
01:54:52
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so I haven't proceeded to the,
01:54:54
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you know, there's a button that says get started,
01:54:55
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but after I take, you know,
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maybe a bunch of photos of the kids
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and maybe, you know, a photo or two of Penny
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and maybe like a landscape or something, I don't know,
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I plan to go back in there
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and do whatever that wizard is to see,
01:55:07
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I presume it will suggest to me,
01:55:09
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okay, well, based on, you know, these photos
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or perhaps it'll give me some editing options
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and say, okay, or maybe it'll like blindly show me,
01:55:17
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here's like four of the different styles,
01:55:18
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which one do you like the most?
01:55:20
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And my hope, having not tried it yet,
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is that maybe it'll point me in a direction,
01:55:24
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although as you were talking, I looked,
01:55:26
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I did take a picture of Penny
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staring down a ball that she really wanted me
01:55:29
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to throw to her for a natural. - Aw, why'd you throw it?
01:55:32
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- Oh, I did, I did, but I was taking a picture.
01:55:34
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And so anyways, the natural for this does look very good.
01:55:39
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I don't know if it's my favorite,
01:55:41
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but it definitely does look very, very good.
01:55:43
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- Yeah, I'd never even seen that screen
01:55:45
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till you mentioned I just looked at it.
01:55:46
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One thing I did do, by the way,
01:55:47
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just to bring it up more, the preserve settings screen,
01:55:50
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you know, settings, camera, preserve settings,
01:55:53
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you have to go to that and turn on the toggle switch
01:55:55
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for photographic styles
01:55:56
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if you want the camera app to preserve it.
01:55:58
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That's what I did.
01:55:59
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I turned on the preserve setting for photographic styles,
01:56:01
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then back on the camera app,
01:56:02
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I used the camera control to swipe over to the natural style
01:56:04
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and it just stays on natural now.
01:56:06
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- Wait, I'm sorry, so where's preserve settings?
01:56:08
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It's in that scene, I don't see it here.
01:56:09
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- It's in settings, camera, preserve settings,
01:56:12
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and then scroll until you see photographic styles,
01:56:15
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turn that toggle switch on and now whatever setting you set
01:56:18
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in the camera app for your photographic style,
01:56:20
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if you don't touch that setting again,
01:56:21
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it will just stay on whatever you set it to.
01:56:24
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- All right, AirPods?
01:56:25
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- Yeah, I don't have any new ones,
01:56:26
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so I think this is the Jon show.
01:56:28
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- Well, the only new ones that exist are the AirPods 4
01:56:30
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and you two are AirPods Pro users
01:56:32
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'cause you like things in your ear holes.
01:56:35
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But I don't, I don't like things in my ear holes,
01:56:37
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so I got the AirPods 4 with ANC.
01:56:40
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On the box it says AirPods 4.
01:56:42
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It says AirPods 4 and then it says active noise cancellation
01:56:44
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and then like the sticker on the box says AirPods 4
01:56:47
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with ANC in parentheses or something.
01:56:49
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Anyway, these are a different shape than the AirPods 3,
01:56:53
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which is a different shape than their predecessor AirPods,
01:56:56
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so it is a new shape for my ears.
01:56:58
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They don't fall out of my ears.
01:57:00
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They don't feel as big in my ears as the AirPods 3,
01:57:03
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like they don't feel like they're pushing it out,
01:57:05
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like they are physically smaller, so that makes sense.
01:57:07
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They do feel like they go farther into my ears
01:57:10
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for what I think are obvious reasons
01:57:12
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because to get the noise cancellation
01:57:13
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to work a little bit better, they want to be
01:57:14
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a little bit farther into your ears.
01:57:16
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Overall, I think it's an upgrade in comfort
01:57:19
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over the previous one, but really it is just mildly,
01:57:23
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like it feels mildly uncomfortable in a different way.
01:57:26
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Not uncomfortable, but like I, the part that I feel,
01:57:29
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'cause again, I wore the AirPods,
01:57:31
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I've been using the AirPods 3,
01:57:31
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I wear them every single day.
01:57:32
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Like they're not uncomfortable, they don't hurt my ears,
01:57:34
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but I can feel which part of my ear are they pressing
01:57:37
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and these press a different part
01:57:38
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and they go in my ear farther.
01:57:40
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And for someone who doesn't like things
01:57:41
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to go inside their ears, that's not great,
01:57:43
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but it's still better than the ones
01:57:44
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that actually go inside your ears.
01:57:46
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I do really appreciate the fact
01:57:48
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that the case is so much smaller.
01:57:50
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I'm not sure it's back to the original AirPods 1 case size,
01:57:53
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but it is so much smaller than its predecessor case,
01:57:55
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massively smaller than the Pro case.
01:57:58
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I wonder if the AirPods Pro 3 will do a case shrink too.
01:58:02
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They did a case shrink in the straightforward way.
01:58:03
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They just make there be less case around the AirPods,
01:58:06
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like it is essentially thinner around it.
01:58:08
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So kudos to them for making the case smaller.
01:58:11
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One of the consequences of having a new case
01:58:14
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is you have to learn a new way
01:58:15
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to get the AirPods out of the case.
01:58:17
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With every new shape of AirPods, we all have to learn,
01:58:20
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when I opened this case lid,
01:58:22
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how the hell do I get these things out of here?
01:58:24
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And the move has been different
01:58:25
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for every single kind of AirPod.
01:58:27
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The Pros, the originals, the twos, the threes,
01:58:31
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well, the twos were the same as the nice things.
01:58:32
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Anyway, it's been different for all of them.
01:58:36
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This one is same deal.
01:58:38
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I could not get them out the way I get the other ones out.
01:58:40
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Instead, I have to come from the side on an angle,
01:58:42
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and that's how they come up.
01:58:43
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It's fine, you just learn it and do it,
01:58:44
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but it's weird that that's always different.
01:58:47
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The sound, here's the thing about AirPods.
01:58:52
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My daughter in particular, but both my kids,
01:58:56
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have, you know the people who have the fingers
01:58:57
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that wear the letters off the keyboards, right?
01:59:00
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My kids have ears that destroy AirPods.
01:59:03
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- Wow. (laughs)
01:59:04
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- And the way they destroy them,
01:59:06
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well, my daughter somehow is able
01:59:07
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to destroy the microphones.
01:59:09
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I don't know how she does this,
01:59:10
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but it's a thing that happens, right?
01:59:12
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We've gone through so many.
01:59:13
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Under AppleCare, we just keep getting new ones,
01:59:14
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and she just destroys, anyway.
01:59:16
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But both my kids, the failure mode of their AirPods,
01:59:19
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and they're using, I think now they're using threes,
01:59:21
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the previous non-pro models,
01:59:24
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is that the AirPods just lose all bass.
01:59:28
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I don't know if it's a tiny speaker cone tearing,
01:59:30
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so it's only the middle part of the driver
01:59:32
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that's vibrating is basically becomes all treble,
01:59:34
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because the part that would be bass is gone,
01:59:36
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because the paper has torn or something.
01:59:39
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But I think they've had three or four pairs,
01:59:42
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sometimes under warranty, sometimes not,
01:59:44
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that I put them in my ears and I'm like,
01:59:46
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how are you listening to this?
01:59:47
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It's all treble.
01:59:49
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The bass is gone, don't you realize?
01:59:50
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These are essentially broken.
01:59:51
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And sure enough, you've taken them to the Apple Store,
01:59:53
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they put them in some little test rig,
01:59:54
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and they test them, and they're like,
01:59:55
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oh, yep, these are totally bad.
01:59:56
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They're not producing sound
01:59:57
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the way they're supposed to be, right?
01:59:59
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I don't know what causes that.
02:00:00
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You can't see inside the AirPods, but it's a thing.
02:00:03
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I don't know if my AirPods 3 that I had before
02:00:07
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have this problem, or we're starting to have this problem.
02:00:10
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But what I do know is that the AirPods 4
02:00:13
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have so much more bass than my previous AirPods.
02:00:17
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So much more bass that I went immediately
02:00:19
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to try to find setting is like,
02:00:20
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is there a way I can turn the bass down?
02:00:22
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'Cause this is too much bass for me.
02:00:24
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'Cause I'm listening to podcasts,
02:00:26
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and everybody sounds like a newscaster
02:00:28
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with a super deep voice.
02:00:30
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So much bass!
02:00:31
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And now I know, people who have AirPods Pro is like,
02:00:32
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yeah, that's the right amount of bass, dummy,
02:00:34
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and you've just been listening to crappy AirPods.
02:00:36
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It should sound like that.
02:00:37
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I wasn't used to it, but listening to music,
02:00:40
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I appreciate it.
02:00:41
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Listening to vocals, even with voice boost on and overcast,
02:00:44
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I'm like, could you turn the bass down a little bit?
02:00:46
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So I wish there was an adjustment for that,
02:00:47
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but I would say this is the result of the AirPods 4
02:00:50
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having superior sound quality
02:00:53
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to my own personal AirPods 3,
02:00:54
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which may or may not be in the process of losing bass.
02:00:56
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So there is definitely that.
02:00:58
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The second thing is, with the noise cancellation,
02:01:03
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Apple said that their Pros are twice as good.
02:01:06
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That may be underestimating it.
02:01:08
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The noise cancellation doesn't cancel noise
02:01:12
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tamps it, like, it changes the nature of the noise.
02:01:18
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So to give an example,
02:01:18
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I'm very often listening to my AirPods when doing dishes,
02:01:21
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and there's the running water sound, right?
02:01:23
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It's kind of like white noise, kind of running water sound.
02:01:26
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If I put on my gigantic Sony Airplane headphones,
02:01:28
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I could just cancel out that running water sound
02:01:30
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where it's just basically gone, right?
02:01:31
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With the AirPods 4,
02:01:33
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the running water sound is still there,
02:01:36
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and it is lower volume,
02:01:37
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and it is also of a different nature.
02:01:40
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It is less loud and sort of less shrill,
02:01:43
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if that makes sense,
02:01:44
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but you can still absolutely hear it
02:01:45
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to the point where I was trying to figure out,
02:01:48
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am I in noise canceling?
02:01:49
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And it's got, I don't know if the Pros have this too,
02:01:51
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but like it cycles through the different modes
02:01:53
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and there's like tones that they play.
02:01:54
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Have you memorized all the tones?
02:01:56
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- Yeah, I don't remember which ones are which
02:01:58
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until they're presented,
02:01:59
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then oftentimes I can mostly figure it out,
02:02:02
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but I couldn't like demonstrate them now.
02:02:05
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- Yeah, 'cause there's four settings and there's four tones.
02:02:07
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There's off, which is just like don't do anything,
02:02:09
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just be whatever.
02:02:10
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There is transparency,
02:02:12
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which is take sounds from the outside
02:02:14
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and play them into my ears through the speakers.
02:02:16
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- That's the bling.
02:02:17
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- Yeah, there is adaptive,
02:02:19
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which I have no idea, I'm gonna ask you about in a second.
02:02:22
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And then there is noise canceling,
02:02:23
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which is cancel as much noise as possible.
02:02:25
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And very often I was like, am I in noise canceling?
02:02:28
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And then I would change the mode and it would like go to off
02:02:31
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and I'm like, oh yeah, I was in noise canceling
02:02:32
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'cause now everything is much louder
02:02:34
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and of a different nature,
02:02:35
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but it is nothing like putting on like a big pair
02:02:38
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of over-ear headphones that I'm sure nothing
02:02:40
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like having AirPods Pro shoved into your ear hole.
02:02:42
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So I appreciate the noise cancellation.
02:02:44
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It is doing something, don't expect it to do
02:02:47
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what like a real noise canceling headphones.
02:02:50
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Like in other words, I would say these are not a replacement
02:02:53
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for AirPods Pro or over-ear noise canceling on a plane.
02:02:56
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They will probably help a little bit,
02:02:58
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but it's like a night and day difference.
02:03:01
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So I would still recommend these.
02:03:02
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I still think they're worth the extra 50 bucks
02:03:03
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maybe for the case with the speaker alone.
02:03:05
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And I like that it's there.
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But as you would expect from something
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that doesn't seal your ears in any possible way,
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there's only so much they can do.
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Like the bottom line is sound is getting in.
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The sound can get around the AirPods.
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There's no seal around the thing.
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And what I wanna ask you guys is,
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I have no idea which one of these four modes
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I should ever be in.
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With the exception of being in noise canceling mode
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when I'm home alone in the kitchen doing dishes,
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which I feel like is safe,
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every other context I'm like,
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should I be in transparency?
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Should I be in off?
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Should I be in adaptive?
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What the hell is adaptive?
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So please give me some guidance.
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Of the four modes that these things can go into,
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when do you use each mode and why?
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- So what I suggest is you can,
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in the settings you can actually remove
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some of those modes from the rotation.
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So I remove off and I remove adaptive.
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So my only two modes, the reason I do the sounds,
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are transparency or noise cancellation.
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Adaptive, that's the one where it tries
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to use conversational awareness
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to try to cancel noise sometimes,
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but bring in things.
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And I have found, I haven't tried it recently,
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so maybe it's better now.
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When it first came out, I tried it for a day
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and just hated the choices it was making.
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And so I instantly, after one day I'm like,
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all right, I'm out.
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So I went back to manually controlling noise cancellation
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versus transparency.
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- I can't tell what adaptive is trying to do,
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'cause there's no indicator that I've found
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in the UI and saying, is it noise canceling now?
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Is it not doing it?
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Is it adding transparency?
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I turned off the conversation awareness features
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that are like, oh, do you want me to lower the volume
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when you start talking or someone talks to you?
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That was just, that's not what I want anyway.
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If you're listening to a podcast,
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I don't want it to duck the volume.
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I wanna pause it myself, which is what I'll do.
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I guess that adaptive is trying to be smart,
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but I cannot tell what it's doing.
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It doesn't, especially because the noise canceling
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is not so dramatic, I'm like, is it doing noise canceling?
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Or has it decided not to?
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And then I have to switch modes to go to either the off mode
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or the noise canceling mode and compare it
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to what it was in adaptive to tell if it had decided.
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It's too much guesswork.
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So I'm not an adaptive fan right off the bat,
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but I keep giving it a try in indoor context
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where I think I'm not gonna be hit by a car.
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But anyway, so you're using, you don't even use,
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do you use off?
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You just use transparency or noise canceling?
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- That's it, yeah.
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I'm in transparency the vast majority of the time,
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unless I happen to be either on a plane
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or on a subway platform where it's super loud,
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then I'll turn on noise cancellation.
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- So walking the dog is transparency then?
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- Always, yeah.
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- See, I mean, I've been walking the dog
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with essentially off because I haven't had air pods
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with noise canceling before.
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And if you're listening to a podcast,
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especially with ones that don't seal your ears,
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you can hear the outside world.
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Like, I don't feel like I need transparency
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to replay the outside world because, again,
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you can just hear it with these air pods in.
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So maybe I'll use off for dog walks, but--
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- No, use transparency.
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Just use transparency.
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You can hear better.
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Trust me, it's better.
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Just use it. - But I don't want
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the outside world being played at a louder volume
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into my ears when I'm trying to listen to the podcast.
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I can hear the outside world. - John, it's not louder.
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- John, pump the brakes.
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You're thinking way too hard about this.
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Just do transparency.
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You're so wrapped around the axle about it.
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I promise it'll be fine.
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- I mean, I've tried it.
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Like, I know what it's like,
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and it does make the outside world more prominent
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than when it's in off mode.
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- Well, yeah, because it's, but, so typically,
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like back when I was using aftershocks for my dog walks
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before AirPods Pro existed,
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the big benefit of the bone conduction style of headphones
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is your ears are just unblocked.
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Like, you have no obstruction whatsoever
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for noise coming in.
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You're just using the bone conduction headphones
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to add your music or podcast to it.
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That's what transparency mode does in the AirPods Pro.
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So, now granted, I haven't tried these AirPods yet,
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so I don't know if transparency is as good.
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- 'Cause they don't actually block your ear holes
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like your Pros do. - Right.
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But I assume it's probably close or as good,
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and the AirPods Pro transparency is just incredible.
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As I said, it's way better
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than even the AirPods Max transparency.
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I don't know why, but for whatever reason it is.
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- Because the AirPods Max don't have the H2.
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- Maybe, but anyway, so whatever the reason,
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the transparency in the AirPods Pro is perfect.
02:07:27
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Like, it really is like you're wearing nothing.
02:07:30
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Like, if you have the AirPods in
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and you're not playing anything and you take them out,
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it's, the outside world is the same loudness
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as it was when you had them in.
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Like, it's as if you're wearing nothing
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and then you're adding selectively to it with your podcast.
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Like, so it is great for--
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- Well, I mean, for these things
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that don't seal the ear holes,
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off is not the same as transparency to my ears.
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- Fair, but I would experiment with it.
02:07:56
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I would give transparency as much of a shot as you can.
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- Yeah, I will try to get adaptive out of the rotation.
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Do you happen to know where in settings that is bearing?
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- I find it by going into the Bluetooth menu
02:08:05
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and like, go to Bluetooth, go to the AirPods,
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hit the little eye button, it's in there.
02:08:09
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- Yeah, that's an annoying thing that you can't do
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unless they're currently paired.
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- If they're not in your ears, like when I go to Bluetooth,
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it just has like model number, serial number, AppleCare,
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and forget this device.
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- Yeah, I think they have to be connected.
02:08:21
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- Yeah, all right, I'll take it.
02:08:23
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Yeah, I think I've basically decided
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that adaptive is not working for me,
02:08:26
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but I'll still have to try the other ones.
02:08:29
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- One final thing on the case.
02:08:31
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There is no magnetic connection
02:08:33
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between the AirPods 4 case and the MagSafe Puck,
02:08:37
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at least the original MagSafe Puck, which is what I have.
02:08:39
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I have an original MagSafe Puck on my nightstand.
02:08:42
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And that's because the new case is too small
02:08:44
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to hit the magnets, right?
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Because the case curves, right?
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If you put it on the circuit, like oh, it fills a circle,
02:08:50
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what's the problem?
02:08:50
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Well, the problem is the parts that are over the magnets
02:08:53
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are the curved parts, not the flat part.
02:08:55
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So it does not magnetically align like the old case did
02:08:58
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simply because it's smaller.
02:08:59
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It still charges fine.
02:09:00
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And it even makes a nice little chime, you know,
02:09:02
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when you've done it.
02:09:02
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- Oh, okay, so it does charge.
02:09:04
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- Yeah, you just put a dead center in the thing.
02:09:06
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It just doesn't like magnetically align itself
02:09:07
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with the MagSafe thing 'cause it can't.
02:09:09
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But it does magnetically align itself with the Apple Watch
02:09:12
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charger and like in an offset,
02:09:13
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like if you put it on an Apple Watch charger,
02:09:15
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it snaps right to where it's supposed to go
02:09:16
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and it's not centered.
02:09:18
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Like where it wants to be in the Apple Watch charger
02:09:20
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is like in the lower portion of it,
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but it will snap right to it.
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So that's just something to keep in mind.
02:09:25
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I don't think it's a problem.
02:09:26
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Again, I love the small case.
02:09:27
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I totally endorse it.
02:09:28
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But Apple has sort of outrun themselves.
02:09:30
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Maybe with the new, 'cause you mentioned the new one
02:09:32
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is narrower, maybe the new one does magnetically align it
02:09:36
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because it's that much smaller, but I haven't tried it.
02:09:39
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- All right, Apple Watch Series 10.
02:09:42
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- Do you have one?
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You have one, Casey.
02:09:43
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What do you think of it?
02:09:45
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So I did get one.
02:09:46
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I went from the WELAD version to the manly man version,
02:09:51
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which is to say, I went from small to large.
02:09:53
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I'm just kidding.
02:09:54
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I went from the small size to large size.
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Now it's 42.
02:09:58
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- It's 42 and 46.
02:09:59
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- 46, thank you.
02:10:01
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This thing compared to my Series 8 little guy,
02:10:08
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it's chonky.
02:10:10
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Actually, I shouldn't say it's chonky
02:10:12
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because it's actually very, very thin, but it's big.
02:10:15
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Now, that being said,
02:10:17
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it looks like a billboard on my wrist right now,
02:10:20
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but I think you were right the whole time.
02:10:22
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And it only lightly pains me to admit that publicly,
02:10:25
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but I think I will quickly adjust to it.
02:10:27
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And I don't think it's absurd.
02:10:29
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Seeing it on my wrist right now,
02:10:31
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I do wonder if an Ultra would have been a bridge too far.
02:10:37
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I'm not sure, maybe it wouldn't be,
02:10:38
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but looking at the way this is sitting on my wrist right now,
02:10:41
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I feel like the Ultra might've been too much.
02:10:44
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If you look at it,
02:10:46
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it doesn't look that much thinner to me,
02:10:50
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but it sits and feels much thinner to my eyes.
02:10:55
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And I was talking to Jason about this
02:10:56
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when we were in Memphis together,
02:10:58
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and he pointed out to me, and I think he's exactly right,
02:11:01
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the sensor plateau or mesa or whatever that's on the bottom,
02:11:05
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the stuff that sits against your wrist
02:11:07
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with the little LEDs that flash
02:11:10
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for all the different things that it's sensing,
02:11:13
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except blood ox apparently, anyways,
02:11:17
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that is quite a bit thinner than it used to be.
02:11:19
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And I think that makes a big difference as well.
02:11:21
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I really like it so far.
02:11:23
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I also liked, speaking of old men with old men problems,
02:11:26
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I liked that the font appears to be noticeably bigger
02:11:29
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because the screen is so much bigger, which is also nice.
02:11:33
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In terms of the off-axis viewing, it's definitely better,
02:11:37
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but I can't say that I'm like, "Oh!"
02:11:40
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You know what I mean?
02:11:41
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It's just one of those things where I think in the past,
02:11:44
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I would've had to twist my wrist more
02:11:46
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or just wouldn't be able to see my watch or the watch face,
02:11:50
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and now I can see it at more angles,
02:11:51
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but it's not the sort of thing that's striking.
02:11:54
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It's just, "Oh, that's nice. It works better now."
02:11:56
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- Well, if you had the large size of the previous watch,
02:12:00
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I think you would've noticed both the angle
02:12:02
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and the thickness because I watched a YouTube video
02:12:04
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of them comparing.
02:12:05
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It was the Max Tech channel.
02:12:06
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They were comparing the Series 10 with the Series 9
02:12:09
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of the same sort of size class.
02:12:11
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And the Series 10 looked dramatically thinner.
02:12:13
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Just setting aside the little blister on the bottom
02:12:15
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for the sensor, just the body of it looked thinner.
02:12:18
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And the same thing with the viewing angle.
02:12:19
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If you take your old and your new
02:12:21
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and put them on the same surface
02:12:22
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and just tilt your head to go at an angle,
02:12:24
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I think you'll notice a difference.
02:12:25
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I have been looking for YouTube videos
02:12:27
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of someone taking a magnifier to this to see if it's MLA.
02:12:31
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It seems like the consensus is no.
02:12:32
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No one has taken a magnifier to it,
02:12:34
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but a lot of people have said, first of all,
02:12:37
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a lot of people are saying that MLA
02:12:38
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doesn't actually improve viewing angles
02:12:40
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because it mostly just makes it brighter from the front.
02:12:42
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It does make it brighter from the front,
02:12:43
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but I think it also helps viewing angles,
02:12:45
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if only because they're getting rid of the color tint
02:12:47
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and sending light off in other directions.
02:12:49
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But I'm gonna guess, I mean,
02:12:51
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I'm still looking for evidence
02:12:52
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that there'll be follow-up next week if I find some,
02:12:53
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but I'm gonna guess that it's actually not MLA,
02:12:55
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but simply just a better LTP03, whatever, OLED.
02:13:00
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But still inconclusive.
02:13:01
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No one on YouTube cares about this enough
02:13:03
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to take a magnifier to it.
02:13:05
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- So one thing I haven't tried, oh, there we go.
02:13:09
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(upbeat music)
02:13:11
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- What? - It's coming from the watch.
02:13:12
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So I can play music, I think.
02:13:14
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- I like the speaker holes on the Series X.
02:13:16
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I like how instead of being a speaker slot,
02:13:18
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there's these tiny little holes.
02:13:20
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It looks much nicer and hopefully less likely
02:13:22
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to clog with dust.
02:13:23
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- Yeah, I mean, for what it's worth,
02:13:25
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I was trying to play music.
02:13:26
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Maybe it's not coming through because of Zoom or whatever,
02:13:28
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but it plays actually surprisingly loud.
02:13:32
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I mean, this is definitely audible from waist level.
02:13:36
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I don't know.
02:13:37
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Again, I don't know how much that's coming through.
02:13:38
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- Again, testing on YouTube,
02:13:39
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it seems to be about the same volume as the Ultra,
02:13:42
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which was the previous speaker king,
02:13:44
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and the Ultra has gigantic speaker holes
02:13:46
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because it's a big, chunky watch,
02:13:47
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but this one has very tiny, elegant,
02:13:49
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and numerous speaker holes,
02:13:51
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and apparently it gets just as loud as the Ultra.
02:13:53
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- Yeah, I just tried it for the first time just now,
02:13:55
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and I don't know if, like I said,
02:13:56
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I don't know if it'll come through in the recording.
02:13:58
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It certainly doesn't sound like it's coming through on Zoom,
02:14:00
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but I mean, it's sufficient.
02:14:02
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I wouldn't want to listen to music this way,
02:14:04
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generally speaking, but in a pinch,
02:14:06
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especially as someone who really hates silence,
02:14:08
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and that's me.
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Yeah, that's kinda nice.
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Yeah, I mean, I like it.
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I like it a lot so far, way too early to tell
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'cause I did this after I did my phone upgrade,
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and so really, really early to tell, but so far so good.
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Did Tina get a new watch this year or no?
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- So she didn't want one on day one.
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I wonder if she'll change her mind
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when she sees them in real life.
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I did tell her that the new ones don't have blood oxygen,
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and her current one does.
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I don't know if she cares about that,
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but bottom line is, no, she didn't order one.
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We'll see how long this lasts.
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- Yeah, yeah, so far so good.
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I think it'll be worth revisiting this next week,
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both this and the phones, once Erin has a chance with hers,
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because she is much, I was gonna say much more blasé.
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That has a negative connotation.
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I don't mean that at all,
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but she's kinda like, yeah, whatever, about all this.
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Like, oh, that's nice.
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It's new, and it has new things.
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Cool, you know what I mean?
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Like, it doesn't really rev her engine like it does us,
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and so I'm curious to hear her thoughts,
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and by next Wednesday, when we record next,
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hopefully I'll be able to have her relay
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some of her opinions for me,
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and I'll see what she thinks.
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- So I took out my Series 10,
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and I had the natural titanium,
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and I had a number of initial impressions.
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Number one, the titanium feels great.
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It is so light.
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It feels amazing.
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'Cause not only did they reduce the weight of the watch
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in general, like, in all of the watches this year,
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all the Series 10s are lighter in all the metals
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compared to their previous version metal counterparts,
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but, so you have the weight savings there,
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and then they also have replaced steel with titanium,
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so the titanium models are almost as light
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as the aluminum models.
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They're very, very light.
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They feel fantastic.
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They did get bigger, and I got the big one,
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and I put it on my wrist, and I thought,
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like Casey just said, it looks like a billboard
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on my wrist. (laughs)
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I also, it seemed, and I don't know,
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I don't have my old one here to measure,
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but it seemed almost like it looked like a more
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a closer to square aspect ratio than the outgoing one.
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- Yeah, they did make it wider.
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They widened it more than they tallened it.
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- Right. - Yeah, I would agree
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with that. - And I think that actually,
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I don't honestly like that look.
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I think it looks even more like a billboard on your wrist.
02:16:38
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- Oh, really?
02:16:39
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I think I disagree.
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I think I like it a little more squared,
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but I mean, this is, again, initial impressions.
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I might change my mind on that.
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- I also found, I find that the natural color
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on the Titanium, I expect it to be a little bit brighter.
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It actually is like a pretty medium gray
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to the point where I think it loses a bit of contrast.
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Like, part of the reason why I haven't bought
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the black watches in the past,
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or all the various forms of black that they've been,
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is that I actually like seeing some contrast
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between the watch body case and the black crystal above it.
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And when you have a black or dark gray watch,
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you lose a lot of that contrast.
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And so if you're going for like kind of like
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a unified blob look, then that's what you want.
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What I want is the contrast
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between the case metal and the top.
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And so I actually find I don't like
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the natural color as much.
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And the reason I went to the Apple store was like,
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I thought after a half day of wearing it,
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I think I made a mistake with the size.
02:17:41
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- Oh, interesting, really.
02:17:42
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- They made it, you know, one millimeter bigger, whatever.
02:17:45
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Like, they made it a little bit bigger,
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and kind of like the way some people have switched
02:17:49
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from the max phone down to the pro phone,
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Casey, you're gonna kill me.
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I switched to the smaller one.
02:17:55
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- Really, you let me out to drive.
02:17:57
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- You convince Casey to get the big watch,
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and they're like, but for me, small watch.
02:18:01
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- I, yeah, like I wore it for a few hours,
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and I'm like, I can't, like, it looked too big on me.
02:18:09
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I'm here, I'll send you comparison photos in the slack.
02:18:12
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- Do you have an ultra, Marco?
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- Not with me.
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I had an ultra, I wore it for a little while,
02:18:18
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like when the first one came out.
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- 'Cause this is very similarly sized in width and height,
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not obviously thickness, 'cause the ultra is way thicker,
02:18:24
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but in width and height, the large is actually
02:18:26
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pretty close to the ultra.
02:18:27
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If you can pull off the ultra, why not this one?
02:18:29
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- I can pull it off, I just don't like it.
02:18:32
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Like the-- - Do you like the ultra?
02:18:33
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- No, that's why I don't wear the ultra.
02:18:35
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- All right, yeah, that's great.
02:18:37
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- No, I bought the ultra mostly as like a test device,
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'cause the screen felt and looked so different
02:18:42
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from the previous ones, 'cause it didn't have the curvature,
02:18:44
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and it was so big that I felt like as a developer
02:18:47
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of an app for the wash, I needed one to test,
02:18:49
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and that did prove useful.
02:18:50
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But yeah, so when I got this one, I'm like,
02:18:54
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at the big one, they made it too big.
02:18:56
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It does not fit me well.
02:18:59
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Like, again, I can pull it off, but like,
02:19:02
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what I was thinking was like, first of all,
02:19:04
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how much of a role do I want this to play in my life?
02:19:08
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Like, part of the reason to get the ultra before is
02:19:12
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if you really want a computer on your wrist,
02:19:14
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and you wanna use it like a computer,
02:19:16
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like that's then, you want the biggest screen,
02:19:18
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you want the one that can show the most text,
02:19:20
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you want the most interface elements on screen at once,
02:19:22
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like you want that.
02:19:23
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I don't want it to play quite that big of a role
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in my, like, in my person, like on my actual person.
02:19:32
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I'm happy to take the phone out to do computing tasks.
02:19:34
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I hardly ever read or write anything on the watch itself.
02:19:39
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It is mostly a sensor and a brief display for me.
02:19:42
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So I actually realized like,
02:19:44
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I think I actually want the smaller one.
02:19:47
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And also, I've started doing sleep tracking with this one.
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I decided I wanted to start doing that.
02:19:53
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And the smaller, the better, honestly,
02:19:55
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when you're doing that.
02:19:55
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And so the small one, I have,
02:19:58
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I actually tried the gold one too.
02:20:00
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So I have the 42 millimeter gold titanium,
02:20:05
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which honestly is not that gold.
02:20:08
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It's a very, it's the same way Apple does
02:20:10
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like their pro phone colors, like it's a little gold.
02:20:14
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It's gold enough to look a little bit different
02:20:16
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in certain lighting.
02:20:18
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Most of the time it just looks like the steel,
02:20:19
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like the polished silver steel.
02:20:23
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But that's fine.
02:20:23
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I have it on the black sports, or the black,
02:20:26
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yeah, sport band.
02:20:27
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And that gold and black I think is a very nice look.
02:20:29
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And I'm very pleased with it right now.
02:20:32
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And it also works well on white.
02:20:34
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You gotta be a little careful with some of the colors
02:20:35
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if you try color straps to see if they go with the gold.
02:20:37
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But black and white look great with it.
02:20:39
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So I think I'm pretty well covered.
02:20:42
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Even, you know, by going with the smaller watch,
02:20:44
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it is even lighter than the bigger one.
02:20:47
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So it is like, it feels like I'm wearing nothing.
02:20:49
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Like I think the band weighs more
02:20:51
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than the watch at this point.
02:20:52
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So it's a very, very good overall fit for me.
02:20:57
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Surprisingly so, like I really did not think
02:21:00
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I'd go back to the smaller one.
02:21:01
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But they pushed the big one a little bit too far.
02:21:05
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And I actually did measure the two of them.
02:21:08
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If you measure the aspect ratios of them,
02:21:13
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the bigger one is more square than the smaller one.
02:21:17
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Like it actually has a different aspect ratio.
02:21:19
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And so the smaller one I think looks better on me
02:21:22
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in part because it is a little bit smaller,
02:21:24
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and in part because it has more rectangular shape.
02:21:27
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So overall, I like the small one a lot.
02:21:31
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It is not as much screen space as my big Series 8.
02:21:34
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Like they didn't make that, or my big Series 9,
02:21:36
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they didn't make that big of a jump.
02:21:37
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But it is more, and I bumped the font size
02:21:41
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up a couple of notches on it to accommodate
02:21:43
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my reading glasses need that I'm not satisfying.
02:21:47
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And so far, I'm liking it.
02:21:50
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I like the gold for a nice change of pace,
02:21:52
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even though again, it's not that gold.
02:21:53
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But it's subtle enough, it's a nice change of pace.
02:21:57
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Again, titanium is so nice to be back.
02:22:00
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And yeah, so I'm gonna rock this look for the year
02:22:02
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and see how it goes.
02:22:03
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But it's been honestly very comfortable on me.
02:22:07
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It's been great.
02:22:08
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- You let me down.
02:22:10
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I just put a link in the show notes.
02:22:12
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I'll see if I can maybe get a better picture of it.
02:22:15
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If, or if I put a link in Slack, excuse me,
02:22:17
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I'll see if I can get a better picture for the show notes.
02:22:19
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It looks a little chunkier there
02:22:21
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than I feel like it's sitting when I just look down.
02:22:23
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So this, again, this picture ain't great.
02:22:25
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But I mean, I don't think it looks bad on me,
02:22:28
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and we'll see what happens.
02:22:30
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I don't personally, sitting here now,
02:22:31
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I don't have any particular desire to return this
02:22:33
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and get the smaller one.
02:22:35
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And I think maybe part of that is driven by me
02:22:37
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having kind of mentally prepped myself
02:22:39
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for going ultra this year and just expecting to have,
02:22:43
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you know, just an absolutely mammoth watch on my wrist.
02:22:47
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And so while this is surface area mammoth,
02:22:50
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or slightly mammoth, at least it's not depth mammoth.
02:22:53
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And I think that helps make it feel a lot more svelte
02:22:56
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than perhaps it actually is.
02:22:58
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- Plus you get the bigger battery,
02:22:59
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which has been a concern for you.
02:23:00
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- Yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly.
02:23:01
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- I would say that looks big, but it doesn't look bad.
02:23:04
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It does look big.
02:23:05
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- Yeah, yeah, that's a good way to put it.
02:23:07
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:23:08
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- And again, smartwatch fashion is big as in.
02:23:11
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People like big watches, big smartwatches these days.
02:23:14
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That's why the ultra has been so popular.
02:23:16
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It's not because all those people are going diving.
02:23:18
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It's because they like big watches.
02:23:20
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That's what's in fashion.
02:23:21
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And big screens are very useful,
02:23:22
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and big batteries are very useful.
02:23:24
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And so there's lots of reasons
02:23:26
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why people choose bigger watches,
02:23:28
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even if they do look big on their wrists.
02:23:30
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For me, most of those things were,
02:23:33
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and for me, it's less about the superficial look.
02:23:38
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It's more about just the way it fits.
02:23:40
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Even just that little bit extra.
02:23:43
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One of the things I've mentioned in the past is
02:23:46
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if a watch is too big on my wrist,
02:23:48
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I don't like if I flex my wrist up,
02:23:52
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if I'm in certain exercises or something,
02:23:53
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if you're doing, picture yourself doing a pushup.
02:23:56
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If you're doing a pushup, your hand is bent upwards
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compared to your wrist.
02:24:00
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And you kinda just have to like,
02:24:03
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when your skin crushes into the watch,
02:24:06
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it's less comfortable.
02:24:08
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So for me, in my general lifestyle,
02:24:12
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having a slightly smaller watch is more comfortable.
02:24:14
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And the outgoing models, the big one was,
02:24:18
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yeah, it was bigger, but it was not that big.
02:24:20
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I think this is a noticeable jump
02:24:24
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in a way that I didn't expect it to be.
02:24:27
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When I took a picture of it sitting on top of my Series 9,
02:24:32
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and you see the size gain.
02:24:34
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It is not subtle.
02:24:35
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You absolutely see it.
02:24:37
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The big Series 10 compared to the big Series 9,
02:24:42
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it's not just imperceptibly bigger.
02:24:45
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You can clearly see which one is which.
02:24:48
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It is obvious, like, oh, that's the bigger one,
02:24:51
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'cause it's a decent amount bigger.
02:24:52
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- The big Series 10 is basically a curved Ultra.
02:24:54
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Like, I think it might even be wider than the Ultra.
02:24:56
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Like it is, 'cause they learned that, you know,
02:24:58
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people like the big screen on the Ultra,
02:24:59
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but this is not as nearly as thick as the Ultra.
02:25:02
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That is the big difference in this.
02:25:03
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And by the way, another change on the Series 10
02:25:05
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that I saw in some videos is that
02:25:07
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whatever they call the button on the side,
02:25:09
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not the crown, but like the button that you press,
02:25:11
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that button is way bigger now.
02:25:13
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To compare it like to a Series 9 of the same Sime class,
02:25:16
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and look how big that button is on a 10 versus the 9.
02:25:18
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- Hmm, I don't know.
02:25:20
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- Which I mean, I think is a good improvement,
02:25:21
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because, like, why make it so small?
02:25:23
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- I don't feel like, 'cause I'm looking at my Series 8,
02:25:27
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small one, and then the Series 10 is bigger, for sure,
02:25:30
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but that appears to me to be more about the upgrade
02:25:35
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in size class than it is the fact that the button--
02:25:36
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- Well, I mean, you're maybe not comparing
02:25:38
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like to like there, but anyway,
02:25:40
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put a picture of my YouTube videos.
02:25:41
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But yeah, they made the button bigger,
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which I think they should.
02:25:43
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Like, there's no reason to keep it as small as, you know,
02:25:45
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make the whole area where you're gonna press
02:25:47
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be easier to press.
02:25:49
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You know, I don't have an Apple Watch.
02:25:51
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My wife has many, many Apple Watches
02:25:54
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that she's handed down to the kids
02:25:55
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that she's gotten new ones.
02:25:57
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But I did, the other day, take out for curiosity
02:26:00
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and just to see if it would still work, my Series 0.
02:26:02
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My Series 0 Apple Watch, the only Apple Watch
02:26:04
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I ever purchased for myself, it is a stainless steel,
02:26:07
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silver stainless steel one.
02:26:09
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And I wanted to know if it was dead.
02:26:11
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And good news, it's not dead.
02:26:12
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And I charge it up, and it still looks great
02:26:15
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as long as you don't look at the screen.
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'Cause the screen is so,
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they were so small back on the Series 0,
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but up until I think maybe now,
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I think the Series 0 was the thinnest Apple Watch
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that they had ever sold.
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I think the 10 is probably thinner.
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But yeah, it still looks real good.
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It's too bad I don't like watches.
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This week's ATP Overtime is Meta kicking Apple
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when it's down.
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It's the way Meta has recently been engaging with Apple
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and changing some of their own plans
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around their mixed reality efforts
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and kind of how that interacts with Apple
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