The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► mmm already tired of already cranky is [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► gonna be a long show if only there was [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► like a mile beverage you could take that [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► would help you be a little more awake [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► and alert for a little while after you [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► take it that would really come in handy [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► Marco drug pusher I mean of all the [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► drugs that you can be mildly chemically [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► addicted to it is by far the most [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► pleasant at least harmful that's not [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► true i'm sure there are less harmful [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► drugs to be addicted I mean deodorant [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► maybe but like I I would that's not [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► really a chemical addiction that power [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► using the other hand he's huffing it [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► that's what he's doing now I i did have [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► a glass of diet coke [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► you're right so maybe that will help a [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► little bit because that's what you're [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► talking about is caffeine and I get my [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► caffeine free diet coke like any [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► responsible human would do right [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► surrounded by cancer sugar good luck [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► with that it's better than having to [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► choke down coffee and all right so [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► anyway so yeah so I'm nothing in the [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► world is worse in the food world right [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► now then these than the gradual invasion [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► of sucralose into everything [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► why why just use real sugar or don't [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► sweeten it [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► sucralose is the worst in the universe [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► you can always taste that horrible [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► aftertaste lata two girls in it [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► well so that's the thing is the horrible [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► aftertaste that that regular humans like [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► yourself get from diet coke i actually [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► get that from regular coke like the [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► regular coke lingers in my mouth days [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► and diet coke with phosphoric acid just [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► stop drinking soda is all so it is [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► terrible i don't i drink diet coke while [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► you have a candidate can at lunch [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► pretty much every day well it during the [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► week that is and then I'll usually have [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► like a glass after dinner and that's it [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► but I've no i have not yet found any [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► demonstrable proof in my own body i'm [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► not saying this is true for anyone else [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► but in my own body i have not yet found [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► demonstrable proof that caffeine and [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► negatively impact my ability to sleep [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► especially after you to keep me up and [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► jump into its but uh but i can i can [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► have a fair bit of diet coke in the [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► evening right before going to sleep I'm [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► fine [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► that's the word why it's ahead [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► so but the thing is though you are right [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► that diet coke is bad but coincidentally [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► i am also right that coffee is revolting [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► we're both know that all the wrong I [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► think there's a large body of evidence [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► to suggest that I'm right on this and [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► the coffee's discussing and I've got [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► dried off guard i would hate to be that [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► person that has to have a cup of coffee [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► in the morning in order to function [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► screw that you know what I do in order [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► to to function in the morning i get out [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► of bed i don't even shower in the [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► morning shower tonight because PS shower [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► in the mornings disgusting you should be [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► showering before you get in bed rather [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► than sleeping on three weeks worth of [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► filth but anyway your ears piling on the [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► unpopular opinions and keep going out [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► but no it's not my fault everyone's [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► wrong but are you washing your sheets [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► hang on a second i'm doing some math now [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► you may be slightly off on your sheet [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► washing cycle night it is more often [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► than once every three weeks but but but [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► seriously I cannot fathom like I [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► understand that I am the weirdo on this [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► one all snark aside I'm the weird one [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► that almost everyone i know showers when [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► they wake up i'm trying to make two [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► different points simultaneously number [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► one I currently as it stands today have [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► no morning routine in order to get out [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► to get myself moving in the morning what [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► the way I get myself moving in the [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► morning as I open my eyes I am ready to [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► go after that so so i'm looking at a at [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► a little avatar view of my skype client [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► that doesn't actually are is actually [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► does actually reflect generally what you [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► look like and your hair is really nicely [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► done it was like you might have some [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► product in there so does that just did [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► you put it on nights in our data that's [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► a hit fair criticism that's an entirely [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► different issues what I meant to say i [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► have my morning routine don't get me [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► wrong i want my point was just that i'm [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► not one of those people that needs like [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► a coffee in order to be ready to handle [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► the day like you can come at me right [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► first thing in the morning with some [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► sort of technical problem and I'm okay [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► with that [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► now the one thing i did not consider is [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► I do need to consume something for [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► breakfast it can be damn near anything i [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► have a poptart can have a go i typically [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► make myself a fruit smoothie whatever [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► you know I would want to be the kind of [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► person who couldn't fuck in the morning [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► before eight something I just get out of [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► bed i'm ready i'm ready to solve [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► problems I I often will start work and [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► programming [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► for had coffee that's a thing like I [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► don't often have coffee to like ten or [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► eleven o'clock i seeso see I'm okay with [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► it's these people that typically work in [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► an office that are like I don't talk to [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► me having my coffee like screw that [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► come on you're an adult that that's just [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► them being like a pin but like you don't [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► like it they weren't complaining about [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► the coffee to complain about something [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► else [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► I agree we agree no I will say though in [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► defense of your weird night showering [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► habit it having traveled with you a [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► bunch it actually makes it really [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► convenient to travel with you because [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► you're I've never waiting on the morning [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► for you to get ready you're always ready [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► like whenever I am because I'm more i'm [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► a morning shower so of course I take [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► long i also sleep as long as I possibly [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► can [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► I've never waiting for you ever let me [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► travel that I don't know if that's [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► actually true [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► not that i would i would hope you don't [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► ever way from the morning i'm sure [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► there's some point in time where you're [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► waiting on me well when you're doing [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► your hair now she's actually it would be [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► I don't know actually shared a hotel [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► room but if we ever had two that are [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► very convenient also to have you be a [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► nice shower then you were not competing [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► for the shower in the morning either [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► that's true that's true but the whole [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► point I was trying to make is like I say [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► is twofold one I mean I could handle [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► technical problem first thing in the [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► morning i prefer to have a breakfast [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► first but I don't have to win but number [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► two I can't get out of my head how gross [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► it is for someone to take the day's [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► filth and put it into their bed every [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► night every night today's Phil Monday's [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► fell into the bed [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► Tuesday's felt let's add tuesday on the [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► Monday spills Wednesday's belt [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► let's add Wednesday spill into Tuesday's [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► built under Monday's filth and let's [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► just rolling it 48 hours that sounds [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► awesome [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► and again I recognized before the entire [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► internet writes me which they're about [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► to do anyway I recognize that this is a [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► weird thing and that i am the weird one [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► here but I cannot fathom how any human [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► being that values hygiene can get into [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► covers that their that they're getting [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► in without showering first that's [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► disgusting [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► I don't get it now this is where a [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► couple of that sort a few things because [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► you're number one in the district during [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► the week with that [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► so how dirty you getting during the day [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► you sit in an air-conditioned office [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► behind a queue behind a chair it in a [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► chair behind a computer screen [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► blah blah blah it's late still [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► some point it's I I can only speak for [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► myself but at some point at some point [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► during the day I probably have at least [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► a little shimmer on me of sweat of dirt [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► of something that you don't winter there [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► may be number two man in the south [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► I'm choosing what what what battles to [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► fight nevertheless I don't remember too [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► this is where all sorts of people come [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► out of the woodwork and say what don't [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► you sweat at night sometimes you're [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► absolutely right sometimes i do but at [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► least leave it as the night dirt that's [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► in the bed why not why did you [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► contribute the date on top of the night [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► dirt that's barbaric I tell you it's [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► it's something I think your threat model [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► for a dirty sheets is wrong i think [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► about the whole model of like how how [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► she's exist in one state and how [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► transfer happens from you to the sheets [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► putting them in a state that you don't [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► like I think the whole model is wrong [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► because well maybe we don't want to get [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► into engine but are you sleeping naked [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► because because that wouldn't you like [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► to know John I'd I'm just saying like it [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► seems like what your modeling here is an [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► idea of how it did how how things would [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► transfer from one place to another [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► making one thing that was clean dirty [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► right but i don't know if that idea maps [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► to the reality of you sleeping in beds [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► it's an alternative reality John moving [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► on like Michael favorite my favorite [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► thing about this conversation is all the [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► new listeners we got last week thinking [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► expect you know what what they're going [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► to expect that this show is an etude in [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► here this this document tune in live [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► they'll just be the pre-recorded one and [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► this will not be heavily featured at the [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► start of the program [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► let's hope not let's hope nothing so [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► let's start with some follow-up Consumer [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► Reports has recommended macbook pro so [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► turns out that they have worked with [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► apple in order to fix apples bugs which [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► may or may not entirely be apple's fault [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► i guess the bugs were anyway just matter [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► point is they have retested their [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► macbook pros one model got almost 19 [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► hours on a charge i'm not entirely clear [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► how that could be possible but that's [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► what they say that because that because [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► that's how their tests work like it [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► they're gonna sort of thing before the [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► absolute numbers don't really matter and [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► test like this because there's no way [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► you're actually gonna write you know [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► simulate any particular user [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► all you want to know is we use the same [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► test all the time is this better or [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► worse in the same then like the previous [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► Mac or different model you want some [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► kind of consistency within the numbers [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► but you know it's a it's like story [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► points in a sprint Casey happened i [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► don't know i don't know what you're [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► talking about [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► so for the consumer reports thing the [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► main reason i put in there was just that [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► you have to follow up on like a guess [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► what like we said that they probably [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► last time they retested everything's [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► fine blah blah but thinking it from it [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► from the perspective of someone who used [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► to write for a publication that did [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► product reviews do product reviews [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► myself as as like an institution for [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► doing reviews as a publication as a [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► venue is a place where people get [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► information [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► this is not a good outcome because now [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► anyone who reads Consumer Reports has to [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► think [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► Consumer Reports didn't recommended but [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► is this the real story or do we have to [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► wait two weeks trying to figure out what [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► the real story wasn't to tell us where [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► they should get it not like it [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► their job is to tell us whether this [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► laptop is worth buying or it should be [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► avoided and i'm going to say although [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► some people may differ that the product [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► within without this bug like whether you [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► have the beta version to fix this bug [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► fix or whether you don't have the beta [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► version is not that different markers [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► using it presumably without this beta [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► fix and it is it is a satisfactory [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► product right with the beta fix maybe [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► it'll be a little better [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► stop about you you talked about the [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► whole last time about how you know it's [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► not as bad as you thought it would be so [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► like I'm not saying I don't know just [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► every week I waffle on on whether I'll [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► whether I like the new one or whether i [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► want to switch back to the old one [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► because of the battery life or disable [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► oh yeah that really so i can actually do [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► my own tests and and the battery life is [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► not good but it's ok and the old one was [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► similar but was also not good but ok but [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► God the keyboard is so bad [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► let's say maybe they can't even [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► recommend the product market remind me [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► have you tried the magic keyboard we've [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► been through this so many times I [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► honestly don't recall now for it because [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► I'm for desktops I got using gamma [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► keyboard like I I yeah I use desktops [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► too heavily and I have minor RSI [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► problems if i use regular keyboards and [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► so to avoid those and we would become a [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► major our psyche problems i use [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► ergonomic keyboards and not totally i [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► was just curious I didn't know if you'd [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► like tried one for more than 10 seconds [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► in a store because I find that I i I've [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► talked long to anyone who'll listen how [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► about how much i love the magic keyboard [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► and i've only used the new macbook pro [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► keyboard for but flash so I'm you and it [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► was awhile ago this is all I memory and [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► it was a very brief time that I used it [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► but I feel like the frustrating thing [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► for me about the new macbook pro [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► keyboard was that it was like eighty [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► percent of perfection because i'm not [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► saying you agree i'm just saying to me [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► because it was so similar to the magic [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► keyboard but i think the throw was a [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► little bit smaller in that difference [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► was enough to just drive me batty and [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► i'm sure i would get used to it over [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► time but man was it annoying because i [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► feel like it was so close [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► you're right there you almost had it and [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► they didn't quite get there and the [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► thing that's scary to me is that I [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► suspect whenever a magic keyboard to [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► happens i bet you anything they're going [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► to use that keyboard with the shorter [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► throw [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► and I'm going to be very sad and I'm [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► gonna be the I'm gonna be Gruber in [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► buying a thousand four original magic [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► keyboards to keep around until kingdom [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► come [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► because this is my favorite keyboard [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► I've ever used well makes first of all I [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► actually have done that myself I [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► microsoft upgraded the the sculpt [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► ergonomic keyboard that i have used for [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► a few years now as my main one they [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► quote upgraded that to the new surface [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► or [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► comic keyboard and I bought one and [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► actually return it because the surface [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► organic keyboard has his bluetooth [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► instead of its own customized thing but [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► it has expecially bluetooth [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► implementation details i guess that are [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► incredibly incompatible with Max and [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► I've never had a pc keyboard that was [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► incompatible with a mac before the [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► microsoft sculpt ergonomic is one of [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► these I mean the microsoft surface [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► around excuse me and and they're the two [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► main problems if you're looking at this [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► a lot of people asking us to main [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► problem number one you can't remap [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► option and command to be like on windows [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► and all properly the system panel that [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► you do it in for every other pc keyboard [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► the changes doesn't apply it doesn't [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► work like you can change it there but [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► the the keys still don't change their [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► functions and the second problem which [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► is even more fatal than that is that [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► it's Bluetooth implementation basically [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► it falls asleep after a while and when [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► you wake it up by pushing keys again the [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► first couple keys you push don't get [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► recognized [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► so it's really a pain to use in practice [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► so it is effectively incompatible with [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► the mac first time I've ever had a pc [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► keyboard for this before that that's [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► been a problem and so I had to return it [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► and also the ergonomics got worse and i [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► got a year so there you go the key [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► switches feeling better but it is way [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► too wide because it added the the 10 key [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► numpad area back on and it's low and [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► flat does not have a riser in front so [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► the ergonomics are worse and whatever [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► the look they're going for its like gray [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► it's like the lining of cubicle walls [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► like the kind of like gray carpet [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► material you know that's it's like they [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► made a keyboard of that so big miss on [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► that and so it's so because the sculpt [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► ergonomic keyboard that I like so much [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► is now officially discontinued I I [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► stockpiled three of them right now [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► because you can still get them in most [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► places for like I'm around 60 70 bucks [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► so I stopped by a few with the price of [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► a figure like that's how I burn through [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► three of these which should be probably [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► five years or so six years or so then I [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► should probably go find something else [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► by them and is that one bluetooth the [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► the old one that you're stockpiling or [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► is that wired know it's it's own custom [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► RF dongle [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► most likely a nice and millions and has [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► a little thing and it's not very good [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► like the the sculpt the sculpt wireless [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► that i've been using for years now the [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► wireless thing is pretty flaky that's [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► usually the way these keyboards [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► eventually die the reason i replace them [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► is usually at the wireless things [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► becomes too unreliable and you can [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► change batteries and you can resync it [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► you can move it around eventually those [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► things just don't help anymore or it [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► still starts failing and and when it's [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► working properly it never fails it's [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► solid so whatever it is that kills these [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► keyboards after a maybe two years of use [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► that's that is what ultimately ends [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► these for me and for other people so [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► what are we trying to talk about [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► consumer reportsconsumerreports who [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► cares there i mean Consumer Reports [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► still going to keep doing the same BS [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► they do all the time going to keep doing [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► it every time there's a new apple [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► products going to get attention with [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► some crazy headline oftentimes it will [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► be about a real problem sometimes it [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► won't be but usually when it is a real [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► problem they will be overblowing it like [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► Marcus drinking beer tonight it [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► I've had like that my writing haha i've [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► had literally like one inch of beer is [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► still in the neck and your hammer and [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► it's and it's a four percent beer [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► there's there's no amount that I'm [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► saying have just you mentioned last time [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► I said I could tell when you're drinking [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► and you said oh yeah well next time tell [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► me and so I just did this is like the [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► lightest beer I've ever seen and I drink [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► all that none of it i do not i'm not a [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► tributing any kind of cause I'm just [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► saying I'm just saying [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► alright so also in this in this last [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► week I haven't had a chance to read this [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► so I'm gonna I'm gonna defer to you John [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► on this but there's a blog post on the [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► WebKit blog introducing riptide WebKit [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► retreating wavefront concurrent garbage [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► collector that sounds fancy [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► so what's this all about John well on [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► the last program where we talked to [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► chris lattner towards the end we talk [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► about a park vs garbage collection and [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► Christmas through this whole big thing [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► about the the trade-offs and the [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► different behaviors and that might have [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► been over a lot of people's heads [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► because it was lots of jargon there [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► this is another one of WebKit often does [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► these things too [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► the web good developers post the thing [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► that talks about some technical [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► underpinnings of some feature of the [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► browser or the engine usually and this [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► one describes their new garbage [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► collector for JavaScript kind of like a [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► the stuff that chris said you can't read [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► this starting from zero and understand [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► every part of it but they do go through [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► and explain a lot of it and I think if [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► you just Google some stuff and find some [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► links you can you know start [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► understanding it but I think it's a good [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► example of a lot of things that Chris [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► alluded to like that the the attributes [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► of a garbage collector that are very [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► similar to the attributes of Arc and [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► that there are there's additional [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► bookkeeping and stuff that has to be [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► done in line as part of the normal [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► operation because this is a slam against [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► arc is a very frequently that well [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► you've got all these reference counts [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► you know increment and decrement all of [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► your code you didn't write those things [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► but I get added anyway and it's just [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► like overhead and so even if you don't [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► understand all the weird nuances of this [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► very very long article i think it is [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► written in a very clear way whoever [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► wrote this I think that a good job you [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► have to assume some foundational [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► knowledge and maybe more of things could [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► be links because you know and love to [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► make things links and do you think that [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► I had no idea [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► yeah but anyway you can just the board [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► you don't understand just you know type [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► into google search box to look at the [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► wiki page or something and you are about [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► it so i would encourage anybody whose [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► interest was piqued by that discussion [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► on last week's episode to read maybe [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► over a couple nights this very long post [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► about web kids garbage collector because [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► i think it is really well done and you [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► learn a lot and you will also even if [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► you don't learn that much come to a gut [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► level understanding of exactly how much [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► of a pain in the butt is to make [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► JavaScript go fast and how much time and [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► effort and money is being put in doing [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► that indeed this was by Philip is low [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► just FYI i miss the beach way front [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► that's all you look riptide wave friends [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► God summertime if you read the whole [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► thing and understand a little bit of it [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► the title will make sense by the end [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► retreating way from concurrent garbage [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► collector all those words mean something [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► and are explained at length [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► article we go figure it's funny you know [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► I remember you being the heav'nly [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► opposed to the beach and I was only [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► mildly less supposed to it now the two [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► of us are both converted who knew [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► turns out i'm opposed to your [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► pronunciation of that word to which word [TS]

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00:21:19 ◼   ► alright so John had a big day yesterday [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► wasn't i believe when when the 10.3 beta [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► was released and John I have it on good [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► authority that you did a little happy [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► dance at your cubicle when you saw this [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► news come out [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► is that true please do not tonight i do [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► not do a happy dance my happy dance when [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► announcing the existence of the file [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► system that's my happy dance like you [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► know we had a bell [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► we had a happy dance we had all sorts of [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► things that time is past time [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► oh I will say this though so that we're [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► talking about is the announcement that [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► the announcement / lake or whatever that [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► iOS 10.3 and the beta builds the [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► developers can get now will apparently [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► convert your iOS device from hfs+ to a [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► PFS upon upgrade and that's mostly [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► notable because a it is a partial [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► fulfillment of the the goal Apple set [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► forth for itself at WC last year they [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► said you know we want to convert all of [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► our platforms that means like iOS and [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► mac OS I guess watch us to me [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► basically all of the platforms to be on [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► a PFS in 2017 2017 is the entire year [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► that inside which part of the year [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► whatever but here we are in january and [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► there's already a beta of iOS 10.3 that [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► commerce a PFS so it's not as if they're [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► wait until you know October whatever [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► when the successor to see air comes out [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► for for the mac or you know whatever [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► these things are going to be released [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► they seem to be ahead of the game ahead [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► of schedule and I was worried last year [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► that other really going to be able to [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► roll over their entire product line with [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► a new file system that they just [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► announced that you know next year [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► sometime but if they're apparently doing [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► well they seem confident people who have [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► upgraded I think Marco is one have not [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► seen all their data disappear in a puff [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► of smoke so things are looking good so [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► far right so my upgrade been totally [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► fine i didn't realize [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► so I hear it was new version new beta of [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► iOS comes out of course i installed on [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► my main phone immediately [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► look our zeros it does not learn from [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► iOS 5 you and I did this together on is [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► there was a 5-4 it was survived yet what [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► we learn together groups still gives me [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► crap about that yeah maybe you should [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► give you and me crap because you're both [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► idiots and here it is [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► well now to your defenses was a point [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► release right and the point releases are [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► usually completely harmless that they [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► are almost never a problem for almost [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► anybody and so you know that that would [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► that's why I figured let me do this [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► there's some new API need to test [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► against women let me try some stuff and [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► make sure everything works and [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► everything so [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► ok then after we i installed it like by [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► and like an hour later I learned that [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► oh I'm now using a PFS like it was it [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► was not not even a thing like I all I [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► noticed was that the install took maybe [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► 15 minutes longer than I thought it [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► would [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► it was a little slow but otherwise like [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► my phone boot up everything's fine [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► everything's totally fine i had zero [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► issues so far and then a couple hours [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► later when chatting with john i learned [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► that i'm using a PFS before John funny [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► that is not really sure because i said i [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► used against the Sierra Deb builds that [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► doesn't like not in your main machine [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► that doesn't count if it's not like was [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► on my machine [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► it was as main machine is it could be [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► like I did everything that you could do [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► with a PFS on my machine you can't boot [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► off of it with Mac os10 now you you [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► cannot put off it but i was still using [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► it now well then you normally yeah [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► doesn't count [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► i'm using a PFS in production on my [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► machine before John and that I'm I'm [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► think I'm done for the year it's on your [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► phone your main machine [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► come on that your mac user computer use [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► most often anyway based on based on [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► nothing but Marcos a first-hand [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► experience of having upgraded and the [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► vague wording in Apple's release notes [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► that have been created out by various [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► people this is what we're talking about [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► on past shows about in place conversion [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► and how the design of a PFS makes that [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► not as crazy as you might think it [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► sounds so you may be thinking oh how is [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► it going to do [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► how's it going to upgrade my file system [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► do i have to have like fifty percent of [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► my storage free so we can write all day [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► to a new location and do this [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► thing or is it going like back it all up [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► to the cloud or make me do an itunes [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► backup and restore it [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► how is it going to how's it going to do [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► this about destroying my data and as we [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► discussed last time that the strategy is [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► that you leave all the data exactly [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► where it is you write a new set of [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► metadata structure somewhere in the [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► metadata is just like what tells you [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► information about the data where is it [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► how much of it is there like the [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► different names of the files the dates [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► all that crap right that somewhere and [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► that doesn't take up that much room like [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► you need a little you need a reasonable [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► probably fixed size trunk of metadata [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► more or less to plus or minus extended [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► attributes for each file and the bigger [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► files you have the more efficient this [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► is so if you have tons and tons of [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► relatively large files like music videos [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► it's even it's even bigger win so you [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► don't probably need that much free space [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► you need some free space for all iOS [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► operating as some researchers believe [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► that much they write all the metadata [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► they're pointing to the data exactly [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► where it exists and that only the very [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► very end after riding all the metadata [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► they do a very fast very quick operation [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► that says and big swapper Rooney rewrite [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► the headers and the volume to say well [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► actually now this is an aps a PFS volume [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► and the metadata is over here and that [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► little tiny critical section should only [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► take like fractions of a second right [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► that is the only time where you could [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► potentially have a problem with it [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► failed in the middle but even then they [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► could use journaling and everything to [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► defend against that you don't have to [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► worry about anymore than you normally [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► would you know somehow running out of [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► battery during your upgrade or I don't [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► even know what could happen because i [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► like you can accidentally unplug the [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► phone like they do want to be plugged in [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► when they're being upgraded but it's not [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► like you're gonna have a power cut [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► unless there's some sort of hardware [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► problem you really drain your battery so [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► the moral of story is yes upgrading in [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► place is a real thing it should go fine [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► and it is actually fairly safe assuming [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► everything goes ok so I'm not afraid of [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► doing is upgrade i'm not going to the [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► beta like I'm not going to hurry but [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► when 10.3 comes out i expect it to be [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► fairly uneventful barring any [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► catastrophic box because once you're [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► running a PFS then if there's a bug in a [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► PFS then you're going to be so [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► right but the conversion process itself [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► seems like it's okay what are you more [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► afraid of in practice bugs and a PFS or [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► the regular behavior of HFS plus yeah [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► that's not the only thing that bothered [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► me a little bit about the conversion I [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► was thinking about it more now that it's [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► a real thing because it the conversion [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► is a like what i would like to do is run [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► essentially at fsck or you know the the [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► repair thing to like to validate all the [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► hrs + metadata to make sure that it's [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► not incorrect in various ways and all [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► the ways that if you were to run disk [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► utility is right now it would find a [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► bunch of crap wrong because they profess [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► is weird and buggy and sometimes doesn't [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► keep track things the right way and it [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► will find stuff that can tell us wrong [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► by exhaustively going over the data and [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► metadata and comparing them in doing so [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► and so forth [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► I would like you to do that before it [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► dutifully various rights the new [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► metadata to a new location and based on [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► your 15-minute time i'm not sure that [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► does i don't i don't know how long it [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► would take to like to essentially fsck [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► hfs+ on a 64 gig iOS device maybe it's [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► faster than I think because the disk so [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► much smaller than you know like a [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► terabyte on a mac or whatever so I'm not [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► sure it's if it is doing that I would [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► feel more comfortable if before it [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► decided to make a copy made sure the [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► thing that it's copying is right and [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► this gets back to what you're saying [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► what are you afraid of bugs and a PFS or [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► bugs and hfs+ i'm still probably more [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► play afraid of bugs and a PFS because [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► bottom line it takes a long time for [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► file system to really bug free but at [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► the moment of conversion I am definitely [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► more worried about my existing hfs+ [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► disks and all my iOS devices having the [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► normal residue of problematic metadata [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► that seems to accumulate in all hfs+ [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► volumes [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► I'm more worried about that at that [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► point after conversion i have to say i [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► have to give the nod hfs+ for you know [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► for a brand new file systems that have [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► never been deployed an apple devices if [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► something is gonna go wrong it's going [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► to happen like that first big [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► deployments you know the address plus [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► for all those little crappy bugs i [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► really don't expect a massive data [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► destroying things to suddenly pop up [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► Davis plus is going to be what it is and [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► it has been for a long [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► time and it's not good not good by a [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► long stretch but presumably like I can't [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► remember the last time a at my camera is [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► that responses even updated but at all [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► the things they've done to it [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► none of them have caused any sort of [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► catastrophic problems at a BF s plus [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► that a BFS cock i cannot say these names [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► yeah anyway i'm i'm i'm gonna upgrade [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► everything i'm just going to go for it i [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► have a lot of backups you should have a [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► lot of backups to it's just all dive in [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► and see how it goes when it's part of [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► like you know on one hand it is awfully [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► bold for Apple to deploy their brand new [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► file system on their most popular device [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► like you know it's to make it part an [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► automatic not even like an opt-in but an [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► automatic part of seemingly all iOS 10.3 [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► install you know we'll see if the chips [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► that way but it looks like that's the [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► plan then that means all the iphones are [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► going to get this and they're all gonna [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► be converted when they reboot and that's [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► it right and that's a pretty bold move [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► on the other hand iOS is you know even [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► though it has a much larger install base [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► in many ways it's lower risk because the [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► nature of phones is that there are these [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► kind of closed systems you have like [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► very limited numbers of configurations [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► you don't have like weirdo like like on [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► a Mac you have all these different like [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► you know different discs and partition [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► schemes and all sorts of apps that could [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► be trying to mess with them or things [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► like that is all very much it's all very [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► controlled and there's fewer [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► combinations of things four [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► configurations and also the nature of [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► phones is that people lose break and [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► replace them often and so they're [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► designed in software and services to [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► have everything in the cloud and [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► everything backed up most of the time [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► and I mean that isn't in practice always [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► the case but that's the case way more [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► often on phones and it is on max so if [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► something does go cash probably wrong [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► for some percentage of users on the [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► phone it is probably less destructive [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► than if it happened on Mac OS yeah by [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► mostly her that well I mean the other [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► obvious reason why they would do is [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► versus because it's it's more important [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► and that's wherever it goes and the [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► Maccabee have fun like oh yeah i was [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► looking north meck but uh but yeah at [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► phones are so much more of a control [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► system and also all the weird crap about [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► a PFS which is mostly [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► good you know like that the space [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► sharing stuff and you know the the all [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► the things that make it behave [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► differently than you might expect are [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► not visible at all and iOS because iOS [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► doesn't have the problem of 10 different [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► ways that you can see free space and and [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► users looking at it like that there are [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► already the way you see free space and [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► iOS is already an illusion you go to you [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► know that the preferences in general and [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► usage and all that stuff like those [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► numbers have only a vague connection to [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► space on disk because they're totally [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► hiding all classes of things that don't [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► count towards your space and trying to [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► sum up space and attributed to [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► applications like it's already an [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► illusion [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► so there's no weirdness there whereas on [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► the mac if you do you know it did you [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► use the power of the file system and a [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► disk utilities actually updated to use [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► people can make arrangements to start to [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► make far less sense where you can have a [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► single a PFS container with three [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► volumes on it and then how to draw the [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► free space on them and it trying to [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► figure out when you make an instant copy [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► does that count as a space being taken [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► out now you have 2 1 gigabyte files [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► before you had one but the free space [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► didn't change even though you don't have [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► any shared volumes on the containers and [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► all that goes away on iOS and also iOS [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► is case sensitive so that gets rid of [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► all of whatever you're going to deal [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► with for you know case holding stuff I [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► did file one radar against a PFS back in [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► the early days about the whole character [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► encoding handling and the fact that you [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► can have two files with the apparently [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► the same name on the mac on a PFS but [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► you can't do that in hfs+ the age of us [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► plus does this normalization stuff to [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► try to make those them too weird [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► normalization but anyway I don't know [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► the state of that radar I don't think [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► it's the state of the radars change may [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► be as close as a dupe [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► I don't remember it went into the black [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► hole I haven't heard anything about it [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► but for max most the vast majority which [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► have case-insensitive filesystems [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► they're gonna have to make decisions [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► about that and I don't know what [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► decisions they made so if the Mac gets [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► the ability to boot from a PFS before [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► the octoberish release of whatever [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► follows mac OS Sierra i will be [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► surprised but on the other hand it's [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► January and already doing iOS maybe it [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► will come to the max [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► earlier but coming to the mac is [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► obviously the the change that I find [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► more interesting because I'm into the [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► mac and because you can actually see the [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► file system and i think it is actually [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► the more difficult one been doing iOS [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► that's interesting never thought of it [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► that way [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► any other thoughts about iOS 10-3 that [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► that our general in art spelled out in [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► the rest of our document now I don't [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► mark are you using it wasn't like [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► anything exciting in there [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► I know but heavy like as a user I don't [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► even really notice anything honestly [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► that's a good sign [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► sounds like it's stable I mean I've had [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► zero problems like nothing that I that [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► you typically associated with a beta one [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► of the major point release really you [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► know majorly it's like an iOS 11 like [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► it's nothing like a beta 1 like of that [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► level it is it if I didn't know [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► academically that was running a beta i [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► would not realize i was running a beta [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► that sounds like a pretty clear with me [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► so far anyway [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► the other thing on file system being [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► 10.3 like the fact that this is a point [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► release and marketing without you don't [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► really notice that much of a difference [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► a PFS tech wise has capabilities that [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► could be leveraged in iOS 11 or whatever [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► the next major version is to provide [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► headlining style features so for example [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► snapshots the ability to preserve the [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► state of the entire file system [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► inconsistent state could be used [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► I don't know if Apple do this you know [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► it's a political issue more than [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► anything to roll your phone back to a [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► known good state in a reliable way [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► something that you can't really do now [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► all you have to do is restore from [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► backup or restore from iCloud and we [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► know how annoying that is to do but [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► imagine it before the the iOS 11.12 11.2 [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► upgrade it would just routinely snapshot [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► everything beforehand and if you didn't [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► like the upgrade at any point you could [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► switch back to the state it was like the [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► day before whatever there's no chance of [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► that I know whether but tech by tech [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► wise that is that is possible right and [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► i think what's more likely to be used is [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► maybe a recovery thing where like if an [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► upgrade fails for some time for some [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► reason there be some mechanism to to [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► have it kind of automatically roll [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► itself back you know that's that's more [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► likely i think [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► then I don't like the new icons I'm [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► gonna go back like Apple does not enable [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► that really at all [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► I mean are you could do it on a like [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► uh-uh I don't get any level they wanted [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► they could do a per-application level to [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► go back to an old version of application [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► they can do time machine type of [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► features inside applications to find old [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► versions of Android you can already do [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► this stuff in various ways above the [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► level of the file system but the fact [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► that you get this sort of for free out [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► of the filesystem and it's very [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► efficient and fast and presumably have [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► api's those are the types of things that [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► you've got a PFS now but you don't have [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► probably almost any of the features that [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► could be built on those are major OS [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► features they could be for a few naughty [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► maybe not even 11 maybe I was 12 or [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► same thing with on the mac if and when [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► we can boot maybe that's yeah that's all [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► well and good but there are many years [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► Pratap presumably of features that are [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► built us like who knows the time machine [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► will even be updated to support a PFS in [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► the next version of mac OS maybe want to [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► wait for the version after that it's not [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► it's non-trivial to take advantage of [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► all these features and you know i'm i'm [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► in no hurry it's like step one get the [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► file system with these features and make [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► it solid [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► step 2 3 4 and 5 then slowly roll out [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► the features that what consumers don't [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► care that it's enabled by the new file [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► system that only care about the features [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► but many things will be enabled by these [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► features so I look forward to them even [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► though 10.3 home new file system was the [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► big deal no big deal should come later [TS]

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00:38:42 ◼   ► now you also get to customize your suit [TS]

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00:38:51 ◼   ► the kind of personality one on the [TS]

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00:39:41 ◼   ► made-to-measure thanks a lot for [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► indochino for sponsoring our show [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► ah we have finally gotten our wish [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► and by our i mean mostly Marco and you [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► can respond to appstore reviews now [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► which is really exciting I think [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► developers been talking about this for [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► forever and a day I saw a link flyby to [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► chalks blog i don't have it handy i'll [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► see if i can pick it up for the show [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► notes but I think it's like 2009 or [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► something like that saying oh we should [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► really be able to respond to reviews in [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► the app store [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► android has been able to do this for a [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► long time and now it's finally a thing [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► and that's something to be excited about [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► it it seems pretty clear to me that Phil [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► Schiller is making moves so Marco how do [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► you feel [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► it's kind of amazing as an iOS to and [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► said some of this 11 filled first [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► started doing things like last last [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► spring and summer but it's just kind of [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► amazing as an iOS developer to have [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► things changing in the app store like [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► getting better at all because for here [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► we the app store is 18 years old eight [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► and a half of that something like and [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► during that time during like the first [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► 1807 here to visit almost nothing [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► changed almost nothing improved there [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► were a few minor things here but [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► exceedingly minor things something even [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► got worse with it and so to have it be [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► worked on [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► and to have positive changes or any [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► changes is a new feeling for iOS [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► developers and overall since phil has [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► taken over i think the changes have been [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► overall quite good [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► very few things have been like a major [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► miss or majorly harmful even search ads [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► where they were very controversial and I [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► think that's with good reason [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► you know I I now spend more on search [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► ads than I do on my servers and I don't [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► love that [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► oh I didn't know that yeah I i was its [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► accounting time with taxes and [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► everything it so I'm looking back and [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► you know doing doing all the adding up [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► everything and I now spend a good amount [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► of money on search ads every week and I [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► have a graph sorry I mean this is a [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► diversion this is not the main topic [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► tonight I guess it could be if you want [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► to but anyway and you know basically I'm [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► now paying for certain part of my user [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► base and it isn't that big of a portion [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► of my user base that the overall search [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► ad traffic has been lower than I [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► expected and I don't think it's cuz i'm [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► losing auctions I think it was not being [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► shown or there aren't that many searches [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► for the things i'm betting on but the [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► the search ad system is possibly a net [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► improvement but it's something it's [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► something big and and your customers [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► that now i'm getting and and the way I'm [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► the way I have things split out and [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► being measured it is apparent to me that [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► most of the customers are getting by a [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► search ads are not coming for people who [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► are looking for overcast [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► they're coming people who are looking [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► for like podcast or some things like [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► that like you know more generic terms [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► competitor names things like that [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► because i have my overcast bids i have [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► on a separate campaign so i can tell [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► like and I spend a lot of money just get [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► people i was going anyway which you know [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► I don't want that number to be very high [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► although I don't really want anybody [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► else happening me either but you know if [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► that number was very high then I'm just [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► paying for people who tapped result [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► number one central number two in the [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► search and that's no good but the number [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► isn't very high that's not it that's not [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► a massive percentage of them spending [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► most our spending is on generic search [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► terms so the system is kind of working [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► as respected as designed [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► I don't love that i'm taking a portion [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► of what Apple's give me every month just [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► giving it right back to them had like [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► they're already there already taken [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► 30-percent like you know is that i don't [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► i don't see it doesn't feel good to be [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► paying them back all this money but uh [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► but overall the search ads have been ok [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► I said they're not bringing in a large [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► percentage of new users off top my head [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► I actually know the number but i thought [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► my head I think it's probably like ten [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► percent or less of new users are coming [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► through search ads but but it's you know [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► it's in that ballpark at least but these [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► are people i wouldn't have gotten [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► otherwise pretty clearly from you can [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► tell from the search terms and from how [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► it when i go to store how I rank on [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► those search terms that store search is [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► terrible so like you know you search for [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► podcast like you know five the of the [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► first 10 apps like alarm clock [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► absolutely it's tough totally unrelated [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► literally like it said that the search [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► is still just as awful as those been but [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► but to have search ads there i am [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► getting customers would have gotten [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► before so that's that's overall positive [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► even though i'm paying for them and I'm [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► paying a little more than i would like [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► but it's still within the realm of [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► reasonable I think so anyway that aside [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► it is really nice going back to the [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► original question it is really nice to [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► have changes happening in the app store [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► that most of which are good and I i'm [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► also using subscriptions now using the [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► app purchase descriptions next [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► September's my start getting my 85% [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► people renewing that's gonna be a great [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► day because i'm going to just get a [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► raise for no reason [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► that's awesome so you know everybody let [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► your solutions- please but that's but [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► otherwise yeah so anyway so for this [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► specific change of responding to reviews [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► and I guess maybe we'll get later to to [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► the app review prompting mechanism [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► change [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► I don't know what we talked about that [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► on this show if not we talk about this [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► week's under-the-radar plug plug so [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► responding to reviews so as let me let [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► me begin by asking you guys at appstore [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► users do you read a lot of the reviews [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► know so basically if developers start [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► respond to reviews really will you [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► really see that I do read reviews for [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► apps that i have not liked [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► I have no idea about the whole domain [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► like I'm looking for and I was looking [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► for application recently for like laying [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► out where furniture is in room so I need [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► something can do walls and doors and [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► windows you know was correct to scale [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► measurements and have like you know [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► couches and tables you know just to see [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► how furnitures gonna fit in the room [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► without doing yourself by cutting a [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► little pieces of paper which is fun but [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► i figured that an ipad apple tree better [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► and i have no idea about that area and [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► as you noted searches terrible so I do [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► what I think are reasonable searches and [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► a big it shows a million hits half of [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► which are scams or pieces of garbage and [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► the ratings don't tell you that much [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► I have to actually look at the reviews [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► to see you know like a two-and-a-half [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► star thing could be 50 people cranky [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► that it's five dollars and then 150 [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► people who think it's actually [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► reasonably good at you have the only way [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► to tell that is to look at the reviews [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► so i will scroll through them and see [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► you know we could because you can't tell [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► people write things low for reasons [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► unrelated to the functionality up i'm [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► willing to pay 299 I don't care that [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► ninety percent of your reviews and [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► people who can't believe you'd want to [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► charge 299 for this like I just want to [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► do the job so I do read them and and we [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► buy suppose so [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► so my theory it was my impression of [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► this so far basically is like the [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► effectiveness and the value in [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► developers be able to respond to reviews [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► is highly dependent on implementation [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► details of how this is actually done for [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► both the reviewer the customer the [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► reviewer the developer and people [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► reading the reviews and also just how [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► many people actually do go through and [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► read reviews because I think iOS [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► developers I have a pretty good idea [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► that having star ratings matters having [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► a high average matters and it looks [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► better if you have a high number of them [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► because it says you know usually in [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► parentheses next to the star average [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► will tell you how many ratings there [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► were and so when when people are [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► choosing a nap or deciding whether to [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► download or buy a nap i think a lot of [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► people do look at those star ratings and [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► and that matters but the actual written [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► reviews we don't really know I I kind of [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► have a hunch that it didn't matter that [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► much that that not a large percentage of [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► people do go through and really [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► read them or reread decent number of [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► them and so if that's the case then [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► whether developers can respond to them [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► doesn't matter that much [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► and if you look you know at this is one [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► of those things that the android people [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► going crazy today because android had [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► this for years have maybe even since day [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► one I don't even know from what we hear [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► from Android people it's mostly a [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► non-issue it's like yeah some people do [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► it doesn't really matter like that's a [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► but it isn't that big of a deal right so [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► we don't know how this will play on iOS [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► that it isn't the same market but [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► there's certainly some overlap and if [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► I'm right that not a lot of people read [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► a lot of the reviews of the most of the [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► ratings then whether you as a developer [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► respond to them is really completely up [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► to you and it's it's kind of an optional [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► support channel if you want to be that [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► being said abster reviews like your [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► customers consider that a support [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► channel whether you do or not and that's [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► that's not going to suddenly start now [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► that developers can leave responses [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► that's always been the case you've [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► always had people treating the review [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► system as a support channel and using it [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► to you know grind axes or to ask weird [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► questions or to withhold stars as [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► hostages until you add their favorite [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► features like there has always been the [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► case it's not going to change that for [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► developers like the perception that [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► people expect you to respond has always [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► been there so that so people who are [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► upset now this is like an additional [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► supports and I have to manage the news [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► flash it always has been we just haven't [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► been able to manage it so now we we will [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► have a way to do it [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► implementation wise there's a huge open [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► question of how are these shown are they [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► shown in a way that many people will see [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► them one of my big questions about it is [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► if i respond to review is the person who [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► wrote it notified of that response is [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► sent to them in some way through you [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► know through like an email by apple or [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► something because if not then the value [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► I think for me responding is even lower [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► because a large part of the value if [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► somebody write something that is either [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► really a support request or is [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► indicating they're having some kind of [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► problem you could help with for the [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► misunderstanding the app in some way [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► like they're saying it doesn't have a [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► feature but really [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► does have that feature if they are [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► notified of my response the that has a [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► lot less value than to respond so that [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► their implementation details it's it's a [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► hit the rest a lot of this how are they [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► showing the interface [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► how did how to develop on how hard is it [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► to respond [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► do we have to go through some weird [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► iTunes Connect tool is there going to be [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► a third-party app that makes it easy how [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► we're going to deal with the different [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► storefronts and different parts of the [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► world having to deal with different [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► languages there there are lots of big [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► question marks on the implementation [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► details of this that will double decide [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► how effective it is reason whether it's [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► worth developers money or not and and of [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► course there's going to be the people [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► like Twitter and Facebook you just [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► respond to every single thing with [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► please email support and we'll try to [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► help you out he does like fake template [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► response but overall it's probably gonna [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► be either completely forgettable and [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► it's gonna be a total non-event and not [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► a lot of people are going to respond and [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► it'll be fine and nobody will care or it [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► will be a positive thing [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► the only downside is going to start [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► reading reviews going to be positive for [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► developers like a situation like one [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► this this is a developer pleasing [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► feature more than a customer pleasing [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► one seems yes absolutely needed like [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► customers may or may not care especially [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► if that I notified knows but if you [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► happen to be a specific developer who [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► has a specific app that has a very [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► popular lots of people clicked on [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► helpful blah blah like the top review is [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► a scathing review filled with mistaken [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► information as in like you said I expect [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► this thing to have feature accent [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► doesn't it's garbage and it totally has [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► feature excess person just hasn't found [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► it and you would love to be able to tell [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► them actually click on the block and [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► there's a thing and you know like but [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► you can't respond and you don't know the [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► person's email and there's no way you [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► can communicate that and your poor app [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► sits there with this everyone you know [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► everyone who loads up your app is going [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► to see that is like the most helpful [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► review and it is just the worst and most [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► developers are in this situation but for [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► the one that is this feature is like the [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► best thing ever because you know they [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► don't care how it affects the whole app [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► store they don't care if it you know if [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► it even gets them any more conversions [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► they just you know it's like the [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► principal I just can't stand this one [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► mistaken [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► review being sitting there sitting there [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► at the top right I guess they just [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► released a new version and erase it with [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► the whole there the whole thing about [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► how reviews and ratings are gonna last [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► across releases which by the way is not [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► part of this Apple has said they are [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► aware of that problem they don't have [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► anything to announce at this time but we [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► should be looking forward to something [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► happening there but in the meantime it [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► just feels so good i can imagine as a [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► developer to be able to finally respond [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► i think even if they're not notified it [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► just let you feel better to be like well [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► that person will never know because [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► they're long gone but anyone else who [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► stumbles across reviews at least i've [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► set the record straight whether or not [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► you really set it straight [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► whether you actually dig yourself in [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► deeper by being passive-aggressive in [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► your response and people look at think [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► of your app works like it's just human [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► nature to feel better about this and [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► practically speaking I think you have to [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► give developers that channel it's up to [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► them to do something useful with the [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► channel they could not use it at all or [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► they could you know be self-destructive [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► and do bad things with an argue with [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► their customers even though you only [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► have one reply i guess they get into [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► edit wars as the question and the answer [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► we added themselves over and over again [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► but not having the channel along at all [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► for like seven or eight years has just [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► felt terrible and so I think this is [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► it's a really important feature to have [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► the importance is far out of proportion [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► from the effect it will have on [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► anybody's business probably but just [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► like it was like why didn't you know you [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► had a system for commenting you had [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► everything in place we're not asking you [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► to expose their emails which is another [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► bone of contention of who owns the [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► customers apple still owns them right [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► but just give developers some way to [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► respond and it took so long it's finally [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► here so i think i think there's no way [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► this can't be a net positive for the app [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► store as a concept even if it's not a [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► net positive for any particular person [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► sales it will it will be in that [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► positive for for developers state of [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► mind [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► exactly i'm looking forward to seeing [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► how this shakes out and i don't know i'm [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► also curious to hear what you think of a [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► Marco after it's been a little while in [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► seeing if you hate her she's certain hot [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► well what do you think of it you're an [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► iOS developer what do you think I don't [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► know it's it's a little weird for my [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► situation because it's it were it's a [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► company it's not just me and seeing [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► seeing the feedback come to our email is [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► interesting and enlightening it does [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► tell me that a lot of the problems we [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► expect to see because we know that their [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► problems you know a lot of people cite [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► them as problems but there are certainly [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► times where people are like I don't [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► understand how to do blah [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► why can't I do blah and in that [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► situation it would be super convenient [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► to be able to in this these are all the [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► emails obviously we can reply but [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► hypothetically these reviews it would be [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► super convenient to be able to say oh if [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► you need to do with that thing you just [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► have here and then tap there and then [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► problem solved [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► and by the way it sounds like we need to [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► make this better in the future but in [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► that sense I I'm positive about it [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► i-i-i don't suspect that it's going to [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► be my personal job to be trolling the [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► reviews and in controlling i guess but [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► but we're getting through the dungeons [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► you know me right [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► weeding through the reviews to continue [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► to to respond when necessary but i agree [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► with with with both of you i think this [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► is a net-positive in and i'm curious to [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► see what happens in it and i'm also very [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► curious to see if after a while like a [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► few people start but people or companies [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► for that matter start replying to [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► reviews and we see how that goes and [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► that either convinces the rest of us to [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► dive in headfirst or if it convinces [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► someone in the chat trolling that is [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► what i was looking for terp tra WLA ng [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► sorry anyway [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► ICS oh it does does does Marco start [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► replying to reviews and he has a [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► terrible experience with it and so [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► underscore says oh I'm never touching [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► that or just Marco start replying to [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► reviews and it's a great experience and [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► suddenly underscores like heck yeah I [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► want in on that and then suddenly my [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► employers like heck yeah we want in on [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► that you know what I mean like I'm [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► curious to see what the not literal beta [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► testers the kind of effective beta [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► testers show us about the experience if [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► it's garbage or if it's great really [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► dependent [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► Sally that we all know people who [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► probably shouldn't respond to comments [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► that you can make it yourself you know [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► because you you have a free text box and [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► if you get there like in the wrong mood [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► you're angry like if you end up like [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► yelling at your customers it's not a net [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► win for you but I don't think someone [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► like David Smith is going to see someone [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► yelling at their customers I oh I better [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► stay away from reviews because surely [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► won't yell at customers like it customer [TS]