The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► that is going to make an awesome [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► after-show it's not really because it's [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► going to be just a white dude and [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► moaning about his expensive car it's [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► gonna be terrible at show and we're [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► gonna keep it in and people are going to [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► like it and that the water to people who [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► don't like it have long since stopped [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► listening [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► alright so people have suggested that [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► this phantom version of the mac which [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► includes an arm coprocessor if you will [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► maybe that's used for power nap i still [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► skeptical that would be a reasonable use [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► case but be that as it may their people [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► have used an example of apparently [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► there's something in the playstation 4 [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► which apparently is a console that [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► people apparently play video games with [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► I didn't realize that was still thing [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► but anyway it has a rest mode that I [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► guess work similarly right John [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► yeah so this is the last show we are [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► talking about the arm CPU actually being [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► able to function and do useful work when [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► the intel cpus off which would mean that [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► the arm CPU would need access to all the [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► same stuff you know all the i/o and [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► networking and all the other stuff [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► regardless of what software runs rather [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► runs just you know a bunch of apple [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► software that Apple supplies as part of [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► the OS or other third parties can ship [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► arm compiled binaries to it that it [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► would be a full fledge cpu able to do [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► useful work and I was saying how that is [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► pretty complicated if the only benefit [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► you're getting out of it is we can do [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► power nap on the arm CPU instead of the [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► intel cpu and it remains to be seen if [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► they win the next involved we have some [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► more suggestions of things this thing [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► can do to justify that complexity but [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► the ps4 is actually an example of this [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► actual thing in practice because ps4 is [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► an x86 cpu and when you put into rest [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► mode it's basically like the thing is [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► turned off the fans are often everything [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► it doesn't make any noise just sits [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► there but it's not completely off off [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► and what it does in this mode is it will [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► like download update giant updates your [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► games it will charge your controllers [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► ubel and do other sort of background [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► tasks that don't require to be on but [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► still mean it's doing useful work it [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► will do obviously with downloading is [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► using stuff over the network and in that [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► rest mode [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► it's according to this feedback we've [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► gotten much i'm i'm perfectly willing to [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► believe I haven't looked into it huh [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► extensively it's not using the Intel CPU [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► is using a separate arm chip just to do [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► this stuff and that's an example the [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► next day 26 and arm CPU in a box and [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► when the the x86 CPU is turned off the [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► arm CPU is able to do all that stuff is [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► able to do you know manipulate stuff on [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► the hard drive its able to use [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► networking is able to do all the you [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► know things and that is an additional [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► complexity that is worth it for the ps4 [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► because it is fixing all the sins of the [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► ps3 that every time you want to turn the [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► thing on and play a game you have to [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► download 50 update since I want you to [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► do that for 12 hours i wasn't home ps3 [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► wouldn't even charge your controllers [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► when it was turned off the ps3 you plug [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► them in you know like I'm playing the [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► game like the worst so the ps4 fixes all [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► this and so it's an obvious one on the [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► console and it's you know it's down to [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► the instructions that exactly what a the [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► they were talking about for this rumored [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► apple laptop question remains is that [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► additional complexity and i'm sure it's [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► additional complexity worthwhile for a [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► mac and so we had one of the suggestion [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► for something that the arm CPU could do [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► that is useful that doesn't require [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► third-party developers to make [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► extensions that with armed code compiled [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► to it and ship it off there and you also [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► stuff like that [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► David Barton ski suggested good old [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► photos and face recognition in her like [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► when you first get your mac or at any [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► point like we're wandering over your [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► photos finding all the faces do it or [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► doing the image recognition nowadays [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► like figure out everything that the [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► house or whatever so you can do searches [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► later that would be perfect thing to do [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► when your mac is in rest mode or asleep [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► or whatever and it will require maybe [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► networking access depending on how much [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► cloud stuff they do for the image [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► recognition but certainly would require [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► disk access is that worth the added [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► complexity of making a mac that can run [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► either on an x86 CPU or arms if you're [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► depending on Moton maybe after that [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► first of all the photo recognition thing [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► like I hope they fix that in this fall [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► software updates like make that sink [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► already everything else about photo [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► sinks [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► like the fact that every device has to [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► do that is not only a terrible hack with [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► awkward results sometimes but it just [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► destroys the battery life and [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► performance of the computers & ipad iOS [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► devices for the first like three days [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► that you get them and that is that's [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► just a bad initial user experience for [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► everybody but somebody's gotta do it [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► like I know people might have multiple [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► devices but one one of the devices has [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► to do it and that device is the victim [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► no matter it's great that will be shared [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► like all just you know but i thought i [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► would imagine for a lot of people like [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► the phone would be the victim because [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► that's where they take the pictures and [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► who knows people even have photos [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► thinking on their my ayaat I feel bad [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► that any device has to be subject to [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► this I mean the only they could change [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► change the policy by saying we won't do [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► a image recognition unless nobody is [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► using the computer nobody's using the [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► device and it's plugged in like this the [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► only do it when you're sleeping and it's [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► plugged in all that they already attempt [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► to do that and like it does it it does [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► stop when you are unplugged on the [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► laptops most of the time however its it [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► takes forever to the point where like [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► you never know when you plug in like is [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► it has been the fan up and then you [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► unplug it like how long will it take [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► before it pauses and use the discrete [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► GPU with exaggerated any kind of GPU [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► sticking on bugs [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► it's it's just kind of a mess on iOS [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► even worse than like your phone is [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► really hot for the first while that you [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► have any likewise my phone so how did [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► something wrong with it is gonna catch [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► fire like eh it's just really in elegant [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► and and really sets up very bad user [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► experiences for anybody who's setting up [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► and iOS Mac device that isn't their [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► first one ever [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► and that's they really really need to [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► address that in this year's updates like [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► that cannot wait [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► yeah so i'm not sure would be better if [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► instead did it [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► wall here while I was asleep because [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► obviously will take away longer to do it [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► was sleeping i really only Apple knows [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► for sure but like what are the usage [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► patterns for devices that are plugged in [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► not iOS devices because they're they're [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► never asleep awake like when the screens [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► off basically that's a no sleep like [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► when they're plugged in overnight in [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► charging that's when they should be [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► doing the photo stuff it that's the only [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► device [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► from max I don't know the defaults are [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► but i imagine if you walk away from your [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► Mac it will be on for some period of [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► time and then I think the default is to [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► go to sleep after like not that long [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► time and if you can't do any photo [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► recognition stuff in the background and [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► sleep mode normally like a power nap [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► doesn't do any of it now that's always [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► the time so all the only time your mac [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► has to do photos is when it unattended [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► is like the one hour between when you [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► stop using it and when it goes to sleep [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► according to the default energy saver [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► settings or whatever [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► whereas it could have had 12 hours just [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► plinking away with his little arm CPU so [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► maybe that would help a little bit but [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► again i have to you know the complexity [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► of having a second full-fledged cpu with [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► access to all the same things as the [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► intel cpu is significant and i'm still [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► so far i'm still on the page that a it's [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► much smarter to use that cpu for [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► auxiliary functions that have to do with [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► the hardware is the last time a [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► proximity sensor camera microphone you [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► know sort of like a a glorified m1 m1 or [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► m7 what was that the original motion [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► detecting step counting thing and the [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► iphone the enemy eat [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► still we're going to be a BMW on the [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► brain at m7 fm7 there you go [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► the 1m because the m1 was a totally [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► different car anyway yeah huh yeah just [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► having dedicated hardware / functions [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► related to the hardware and that's [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► perfect for a little CPU and the only [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► reason we're talking about this at all [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► this is already there to run the touch [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► bar it's like it's already there and [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► you're just saying how can I get more [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► bang for my buck from this thing that i [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► already have to put it's not like we're [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► looking through a bunch of new chips [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► into think it's already in these this [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► laptop so I believe that the next [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► version or version after that of this [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► they'll find new things to do is ship [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► they should because they're paying for [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► the chip and it's there and when it's [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► not doing anything fancy on-screen give [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► it something else to do they have they [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► have they have good arm chips and they [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► have a good Oster on them so why waste [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► speaking of face recognition windows [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► hello [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► whatever that may be does some really [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► weird and fancy stuff with their face [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► recognition [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► yeah I made a joke about a [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► face-recognition not being good for [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► security because that will just print [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► out a picture face and holds it up [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► and they unlock your laptop didn't [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► specifically say that that was the [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► vulnerability of windows hello because [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► they didn't know much about it but many [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► people wrote in to say that windows [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► hello actually uses depth maps too so [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► you can just hold up a picture because I [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► want something that not only looks like [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► your face but is contoured and shaped [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► like your face so people would have to [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► make a basically a mannequin of your [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► face instead of just a picture which is [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► harder and interfaces vs fingerprints [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► think a lot of people bring up like well [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► it's just like it's just like [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► fingerprints like people can lift your [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► finger prints pretty easily [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► I feel like it's still look at the apt [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► comparison is local versus remoto [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► exploit local exploits like this a [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► million basically if someone has [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► physical access your computer in most [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► cases game over as far as security for a [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► variety of reasons for fingerprints they [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► need to have physical access to either [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► you or something you've touched to list [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► your fingerprints and there's been many [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► demonstrations the web like how you can [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► love someone fingerprint you can unlock [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► their iphone because you know [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► fingerprints just series of ridges and [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► we can get them out and make a little [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► plastic mold of it and you're going [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► right now [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► usually you can't get fingerprints from [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► a normal photo of people like if you're [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► walking down the street and someone [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► snaps a picture of you [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► they can't lift your fingerprints from [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► that fixture or if they go you [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► they probably won't find closeup [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► pictures of your fingerprints or [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► anything you've touched a resolution [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► where they can lift your fingerprints [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► but for most people you can find plenty [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► of pictures of their face and you could [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► fairly that not easily but much more [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► easily remotely without ever being [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► anywhere near that person or anything [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► they've touched reproduce their face in [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► the 3d manner from a series of photos [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► that are taking out all under different [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► angles and make it use a 3d printer to [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► make a little mold and then print out a [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► picture that face and slap it on to the [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► mannequin and it should rule the depth [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► sensors and fools the the camera and you [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► unlock their saying with their face [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► again this is kind of like mission [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► impossible whatever stuff if someone is [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► this determined to attack you it's [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► probably much better just to call you [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► until and tell you there for microsoft [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► and they want to reset your password [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► because that's much easier way to get [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► into stuff but thinking about this and [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► how easy it is to pull your fingerprints [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► vs make a 3d model of your face versus [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► whatever has reminded me once again [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► of the trouble we'll all biometric [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► security which we all be seen like the [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► future you know [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► sci-fi movies they always put their [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► hands on things are doing retina scans [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► or where you know we're living in the [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► future now with fingerprints i use my [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► fingerprint to unlock my phone all the [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► time I love it's awesome but the trouble [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► with all biometrics is if they are [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► compromised in any way if people have [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► your fingerprints or have a nice 3d [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► model of your face you can't change [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► those things you can't say well i'm [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► gonna use a new set of fingerprints [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► always rotate your fingerprints don't [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► use the same fingerprints and multiple [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► sites guys [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► your fingerprints are your fingerprints [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► and for the most part your face is your [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► face so once compromise their compromise [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► forever [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► you can't use your fingerprint in the [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► whole world has hi-res images of your [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► fingerprints [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► your fingerprints are useless never mind [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► that this country anyway law enforcement [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► can make you put your stupid thing on [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► the thing anyway but just in general [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► biometrics there unlike passwords that [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► you can change the rotator whatever you [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► can't change them even your retinas if [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► you do a retina skin and someone has [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► like a detailed map of your retina makes [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► a little thing I've all of the retina [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► scan it you can't use retina scans [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► anymore it's bad and if it became [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► commonplace it's the definition of [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► repeating your password you only have [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► ten fingers right getting able with [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► different finger on each secure thing [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► and yeah so internal biometrics are [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► great convenience but if we get in in [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► sci-fi movies are you anyway they always [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► presented as a much more secure way like [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► how you can't get in because you don't [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► have my eyeball my finger and then [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► didn't take long for the movies to have [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► to shift into gouging people's eyeballs [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► out and cutting off their hands to get [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► their fingerprints [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► there's another downside of biometrics [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► but in general I think biometrics [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► settling in to be the casual convenience [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► feature is the reason i unlock my phone [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► with it because who wants to type in [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► some big long password every time your [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► unlock your phone but not for increased [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► security very security we're still stuck [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► with for now big giant passwords and [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► multiple factors i love that ripping out [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► somebody's eyes and cutting off the [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► fingers is is described by you john is a [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► downside i mean it is it's a pretty [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► significant downside my book though no [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► one's gonna do that unless you're in a [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► year ago you know a sci-fi movie like [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► this no one cares that much about [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► crap and again it's not there much [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► easier ways to get your crap like just [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► forcing you to put your finger on it [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► because you're not a big tough guy but [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► in the movies to get into your villains [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► lair that you know you cut off the guy's [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► hand cut off the entrance and then you [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► just showed on the panel didn't uh Tom [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► Cruise's character do that Minority [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► Report you got two eyes been done so [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► many times so many times we are brought [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► to you this week by set appt the [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► revolutionary new service for [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► discovering and using the best apps for [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► your mac what if there's a way to know [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► that every app you installed was safe [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► always updated and of the highest [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► quality that is what set appt is here to [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► do that was developed by Mac paw they've [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► actually been previous sponsoring the [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► show with a clean my mac a lot of [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► products and they've created many [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► successful apps for the mac they've been [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► mapped developers themselves for years [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► and they know the market really well [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► they know what customers want and they [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► know what developers want developers [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► want a way to make consistent stable [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► revenue from their products without [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► having to mess with the complexity of [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► things like upgrade pricing and trials [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► and everything else and customers want [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► to know that they can go to a storefront [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► or a collection that has the best apps [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► they can they don't have to like worry [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► about looking through the looking [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► through million reviews and trying to [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► figure out which apps have hidden in app [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► purchases or ads or anything like that [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► they just want someone else to pick for [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► them to curate this collection for them [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► to give them what's best mac Paul has [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► done this with set appt setup gives you [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► easy access to their curated library of [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► quality mac apps like Ulysses [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► rapidweaver cleanmymac ultimate player [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► and many many more [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► and you get all this as a user for just [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► a flat monthly subscription fee you get [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► access to the entire library no matter [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► how many apps use you can use all of [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► them if you want to and you just pay [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► this low monthly rate it's a huge [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► library of prime mac apps that you get [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► for one fixed rate per month with no ads [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► no paid upgrades when a new version [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► comes out you just get it did give you [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► the best collection of helpful useful [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► high-quality mac software right at your [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► fingertips try today at set app.com once [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► again that set appt setiap set app.com [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► to try out setup see for yourself [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► thank you very much to set up for spot [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► during our show ah alright so there's [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► been a little bit of a sort of kind of [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► back and forth between our show and one [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► host across to other shows which is a [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► friend of the show my curly he is talked [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► on his to podcast upgrade and connected [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► about some arguments or counter [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► arguments about whether or not the ipad [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► is worth apples attention and you really [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► should listen to both upgrade connected [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► in wealth in general but particularly [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► the latest episodes will put links in [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► the show notes i'm going to try to [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► unfairly summarize Mike's points and [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► then I anything to hear this [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► yeah and hen Marco can add his two cents [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► about about all this [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► I what I got from what Mike said was hey [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► if you look at modern iPads and modern [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► max where you define modern slightly [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► arbitrarily but basically can run the [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► most recent versions of iOS and mac OS I [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► don't remember the exact numbers but you [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► know modern max by that definition go go [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► back like between five and ten years and [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► modern iPads go back i think around five [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► years something like that the particular [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► numbers don't really matter that much [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► the conclusion that my came to was hey [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► if you look at the sales and thus [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► assumed install base of modern max and [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► modern iOS devices are excuse me iPads [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► there like twice as many ipads as there [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► are max so if there's that many ipads in [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► the wild [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► shouldn't that be where Apple puts most [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► of its attention because presumably all [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► of these ipads are still in use and [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► presumably at least a subset of these [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► owners your ipad owners are using them [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► for and I'm doing scare quotes here work [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► stuff so shouldn't that be where Apple [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► puts all of its attention maybe not all [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► but a lot of its attention and that's a [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► super super super summarized version [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► again listen to connected and upgrade [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► actually the reverse order listen okay [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► first but anyway list of them to get the [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► longer [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► students but that that's kind of what i [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► got from it is that fair to say yeah I [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► think so I mean and this was this was in [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► response to what a lot of people were [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► talking about after the earnings came [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► out what do we do now about about how [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► ipad sales continue to drop and many [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► people commented on this with theories [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► myself included both on my blog and then [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► we talked about on the show last week [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► and you know many many people at every [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► time there's quarterly earnings that [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► come out and it shows the ipad sales are [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► going down which happened a lot in the [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► last few years everyone has these [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► theories about well here's why the ipad [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► has failed his failing or you can get [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► real work on honor or whatever else and [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► so if you are an ipad pro heavy user [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► like Mike and Federico and and some [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► other friends are then this makes sense [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► to be defensive about because it's it's [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► very hard to separate out these [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► arguments into like individual things to [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► talk about a lot of times people are [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► arguing past each other because they're [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► not quite hearing what the other [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► argument was or they're responding more [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► to a general feeling or to a general [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► kind of trend of where the commentary is [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► or has been rather than what somebody [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► actually said or what people are [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► actually trying to figure out there's [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► there's nuance to all this stuff so part [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► of what Mike and Jason on upgrade were [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► responding to was not just what we said [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► but i think a lot of it was based on [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► awesome what we said and what i wrote my [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► blog post about what if the ipod is in [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► the future of computing and and so I do [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► want to address this so hopefully [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► briefly here and I'm actually I'm [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► working with Mike we actually might do a [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► little special with me and Mike arguing [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► about it and maybe next week sometime [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► will do i get not to get to participate [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► in that [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► who says I'm right about everything you [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► guys at argue about which one who were [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► all who will have another these episodes [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► but it seems like it was like mike vs [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► Marco but like I said stuff to didn't [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► anyone disagree with stuff I said you [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► had hit you don't worry I you and I were [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► kind of lumped in together anyway so [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► that's unfair [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► yeah that's right haha i do that would [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► get you [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► anyway so here's here's my actual [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► position here obviously people are [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► getting real worked on ipads not every [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► ipad owner of course but as Mike [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► accurately pointed out [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► not every mac is sold and used to do [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► quote real work whatever that means [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► Mike's main point was was also that you [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► know the ipad obviously even even with [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► the downward slope of its sales curve is [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► still selling like two two-and-a-half [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► times unit sales of what max you're [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► selling and and there are still way more [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► ipads out there then max and and so [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► therefore this is this really is your a [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► serious platform and I'm not arguing [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► against any of that actually my main [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► argument with with my post and hopefully [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► if I express a property last week is [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► that the ipad is presented in so many [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► views both from apple and from analysts [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► and fans as quote the future of [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► computing and what I interpret that to [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► mean is a replacement ultimately or [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► largely a replacement for the pc in the [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► back but were mostly seeing is that you [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► know pcs of them have been a little bit [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► contracting for a while but mac sales [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► have been pretty solid the rise of the [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► ipad / it's been seven years now and [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► it's been popular the whole time so it's [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► selling a lot the ipad selling a lot but [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► during that entire arise sales of Max [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► haven't gone down so if the ipad were [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► really like the future of computing in [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► quotes and found doing finger quotes [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► here sorry in hit in the way that that [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► means replacing pcs and macs for a lot [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► of people i think the numbers are [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► showing otherwise that I'm and I and I [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► made the case last week that for a lot [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► of people if you're going to choose [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► between only being able to afford only [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► wanting to own either and ipad or a [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► computer [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► they're still picking the computer i [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► think the sale show that and there's [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► lots of reasons as we get into last week [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► about why that might be you know things [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► about things like the limitations of [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► doing things in the ipad and and how [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► many limitations you have there versus [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► the what limitations intend to be on PCs [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► and and you know different usability and [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► everything we know we are getting better [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► so I'm not going to repeat the whole [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► thing all this is not to say that you [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► can [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► to get worked on an iPad or the ipad [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► you're only for consumption [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► I never said that there is this is also [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► all not to say that nobody is replacing [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► their their pc or mac with an ipad i [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► didn't say that either but i think very [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► clearly my argument my argument here [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► that I'm clear right now again [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► my argument is that on a large scale it [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► doesn't appear that tablets are [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► replacing pcs and the windows world is a [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► little bit Messier because the cans [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► combo things but on the apple site i [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► think it's very very clear that the ipad [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► is not replacing the mac it seems that [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► most people who buy the ipad are buying [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► it as the third device however they [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► ordered in their minds they still have a [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► phone and a computer and the ipad is [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► added to that mix again not everybody [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► not all I've had but this is added to [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► the mix for so many people and so while [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► everyone can name someone who who got an [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► ipad and doesn't use the computer [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► a lot of people also use computers and [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► don't buy iPads so I think the sales [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► reflect the reality here the ipad like [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► so many things in technology has not [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► destroyed what came before it is added [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► to it and so in a world where it is one [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► of many devices that people used to [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► computing on as opposed to the device [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► that is replacing the computer I worry [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► about the direction that Apple is taking [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► between the the mac and the iPad because [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► it sure looks like apples point of view [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► and able to look into this crazy flasher [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► rumor in a little bit but it sure looks [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► like for the most part we see from apple [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► is that the mac is kind of like i said [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► last week it's kind of like in [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► maintenance mode it seems like they're [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► not really putting a lot of like a huge [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► effort into like moving the mac paradigm [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► forward it seems like they they consider [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► the mac basically done and they're doing [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► fairly minor things to it touch bar [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► hardware engineering side yes okay but [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► the software model seems like it's been [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► fairly minor and not seeing a lot of [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► meaningful changes are or engineering [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► effort put into it could be wrong but [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► this is what we're seeing me outside [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► whereas the ipad if that if that were to [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► be the future of computing than that [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► which that needs more investment but [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► we're seeing instead is that that's not [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► your computer and apples kind of [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► neglecting both of these plans but [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► that's a story for another day I guess [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► but a text I just wanted to clarify my [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► argument this is not that the ipad is [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► useless or dead or not possible to get [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► worked on simply that it is showing [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► itself through sales to be in reality a [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► third device for a lot of people and to [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► not be replacing the back while you're [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► talking about that I was thinking about [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► often comment i think was the last show [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► that apple doesn't make bestbest anymore [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► and thinking about mac sales now that [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► they're declining but as as the mac has [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► become over many years proportionately [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► less of what apple sells mostly because [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► the iphone honestly you know because [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► they saw brazilian iphones right but [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► even though the ipad has pointed out [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► that sells as much or more than the mac [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► these days at to go back to our favorite [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► well the good old car analogy in the car [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► world if you sell a small number of cars [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► and you are a going concern in the car [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► business [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► chances are good that the small number [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► of cars you sell our extreme in some way [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► no one sells a small number of Toyota [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► Camrys but you can't run a car business [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► by selling 5,000 Toyota Camrys a year [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► that's not a thing right but you can [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► sell 5,000 Ferraris a year and be ok you [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► can sell 5,000 Humvees maybe and be okay [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► or that's a bad example this GM but [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► anyway if you sell in small volume you [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► specialize and very often you charge [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► tons of money like way out of proportion [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► to the quality of the car you're selling [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► you know Jaguar whatever sorry [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► let's maybe that's not true these days I [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► know they're better anyway if the mac [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► again not low volume proportionally [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► lower volume if the mac becomes the [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► minor player in the world of the iphone [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► which is the toyota camry right and even [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► maybe even the ipads is selling more [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► than it uh you know ongoing basis that [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► would be the perfect time for them to [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► look at that lines they will who is [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► still buying max why would someone want [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► him a call [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► and I've had all that they have more [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► demanding me the more sophisticated [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► tasks go back to the old world apple [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► which was perfectly willing to have a [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► machine that we could be configured with [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► an obscene amount of ram with a [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► ridiculous number of the most expensive [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► cpu's with a very large hard drive in a [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► very big hot expensive GPU and [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► overcharged for all of it that's the [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► whole help away chart make a machine [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► that i had can configure to be as much [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► as an apple watch edition like should be [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► able to configure you used to even with [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► the old 2013 mac pro 15 [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► twenty-thousand-dollar Mac it's not [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► worth that much money it's like it's [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► overpriced in the same way that a [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► Ferrari is not worth that much more than [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► a Corvette that has almost the same [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► performance but for people in certain [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► markets whether it's because you need [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► the absolute biggest best and you're [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► willing to pay for it like it's a blip [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► on your radar or just because you want a [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► Ferrari because you think it's cool as [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► your volumes get lower proportion the [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► rest of your business that becomes a way [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► to extract more money from this product [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► line and so it seems that they are [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► losing interest in the matter i wish [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► they would have enough interest to say [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► can we release those people because at [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► this point like I'm I'm begging to be [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► placed camp can't we [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► you know like how have you priced out of [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► touch bar macbook pro x and yeah I know [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► I know like minutes that's going to but [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► like it's still it's still within the [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► realm of reason like you can't even get [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► with 32 gigs ram right like and and if [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► there are people who have those demands [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► like there's nowhere to go in the [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► macworld for them and take regardless of [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► how we're going to draw the line between [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► where is the line between people who [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► really need a personal computer style [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► thing and people who need an ipad and [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► people just need a phone like it doesn't [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► continuum there but at a certain point [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► like we all agree that the mac is it [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► that one end of that spectrum right it's [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► not no one's arguing like the mac is in [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► between the ipad of the phone or [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► something it is one end of that spectrum [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► you just need to extend that line out [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► and make sure that if someone is forced [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► into a mac or has to use a mac because [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► of their work that they can go all the [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► way up and you know because it's a [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► low-volume relative the phone market [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► charge tons of money gets super high [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► margins maybe maybe less into the [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► five-hundred-dollar increases on your [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► own [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► your laptop model which is more of a [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► mainstream thing and just all that money [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► into i don't know like a like a Mac it's [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► for professionals like you can shorten [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► the name but whatever i know we're at [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► circles here but i was just the sad part [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► is they have been doing that to the mac [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► pro every mac pro generation is more [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► expensive than the last one I know but [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► then we're going to give you want to see [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► be using it right a nice little is the [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► properties i know but like it just seems [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► like it's frustrating when at any price [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► you you can't throw your money at apple [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► and say just give me as much ram as well [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► physically fit in the machine because [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► i'm doing some weird application that i [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► don't care how much it costs like nope [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► not not interested in selling you that [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► and you should be because it's a good [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► way to make money off suckers like us [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► and also a judge to bring back a little [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► bit just to the ipad discussion i did [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► want to also mention a great post that [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► our friend David Sparkes made over at [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► max Sparky about you know his his [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► interpretation he is also a very like [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► ipad pro user and his interpretation [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► basically of trying to explain away the [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► ipad sales dip is in short home some [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► reason is accurately in short that [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► basically it most people aren't pushing [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► the idea ipad harlot that's why so many [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► people are are able to eat people who [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► decided to to make the ipad a part of [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► their life or part of their workflow or [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► or both [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► they're still perfectly ok using like a [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► four-year-old ipad and the main reason [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► why it that he's saying which i think is [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► is right on is that they're just not [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► pushing it hard enough because the [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► because what people do on ipads what the [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► software does what is possible to do [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► well on it is usually pretty light [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► workload kind of stuff but it isn't the [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► hardware is not getting better the [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► harbor is getting way better but which [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► is what most people are doing the ipad [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► doesn't need better hardware and that [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► the the blame for that and do to fix [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► that or try to push that forward mostly [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► and apple because a lot of that has to [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► do with the OS and the way it's [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► structured and various limitations a lot [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► of it has to do with the app ecosystem [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► which is all too much that is on Apple [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► to to try to fix or or to enable fix us [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► to happen [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► we've seen this theme from a lot of a [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► lot of ipad users responses over the [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► last two weeks to this people love the [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► ipad people want to use it for more they [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► want to be able to be able to do more of [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► their work on if they can't currently do [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► all that on that but iOS needs to move [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► forward in a way that lets people get [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► more work more efficiently I mean there [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► are so many really basic things that are [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► that we consider basic format the PC era [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► of just things like you know managing [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► like multiple emails and attachments and [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► you know it's like moving photos around [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► the document around like things that are [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► very hostile to do in iOS that are very [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► clunky or some or sometimes even just [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► impossible without crazy you know Jax or [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► sometimes just outright impossible [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► simple stuff like moving like moving [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► media around and get dealing with [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► people's files like iOS really fights [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► people a lot of basic moment of [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► multitasking stuff movies and [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► implementation now is very limited and [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► could really use some enhancement and [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► weather that's coming down the road this [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► year not we'll see i hope it does but [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► the point is there's still tons of room [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► to improve iOS and the ipad and I I hope [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► Apple tries to do that in some way it [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► because tons of people want that and it [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► just seems like it seems like regardless [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► of which side of the future of computing [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► you fall on what do you think it's the [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► ipad or the mac it seems like there's [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► plenty to complain about Apple [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► neglecting your platform either way I I [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► hope Apple cares enough about the food [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► the actual future computing to invest [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► very heavily at least one of these [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► platforms because it seems right now [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► that the mac is in maintenance mode [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► indefinitely and the ipad gets [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► occasional updates from from iOS when [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► it's convenient for them [TS]

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00:33:54 ◼   ► the ipads like people keep using them [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► because it still does what they want to [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► do even though they could buy a much [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► better one I think is another situation [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► where Apple probably has data about this [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► but trying to think about it [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► actually there's two things that make [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► you the 22 things that come to mind [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► immediately that make you buy a new [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► whatever one is the usual tractor of [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► software basically if you have a vibrant [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► software ecosystem eventually your old [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► phone doesn't run the cool new app that [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► all your friends are talking about [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► so the more the more vibrant ecosystem [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► is the more apps take advantage of new [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► hardware or being dragged along by the [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► platform by like not supporting 32-bit [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► apps anymore whatever you know the more [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► that is a thing it will make you say oh [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► I don't like my phone anymore because [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► all my friends are using a pecs and I [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► can't use that because it says doesn't [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► run on my phone or something right [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► so software ecosystem which again is [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► lacking on the ipad like there's more of [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► that on the phone in there isn't on the [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► ipad in terms of social pressure and [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► software you know action in the software [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► market to put it along and the second [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► one and this is where Apple have the [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► data is how many people replace the [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► phones because they break them [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► I see a lot of broken phones and I see [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► fewer broken ipad i do see cracked iPads [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► you see them in airports and stuff but I [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► also see kids in airports with iPads [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► dropping them like they're a juice box [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► and his boundless in the giant robbery [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► cases there [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► alright so i'm going to say probably [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► percentage-wise phones and their lives [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► because they break more often than iPads [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► just based on my personal experience and [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► anatoly but again Applewood know because [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► they probably in all the servers say why [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► are you buying a new phone [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► it seems to me that those two tractors [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► are making the phone replacement cycle [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► notice that didn't list is one of the [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► things that that's making people replace [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► the phone is that their phone feels slow [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► in general I think I phones don't are [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► like Windows computers were used them [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► for two years and they're soaked wrapped [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► up that you just need to get a new one [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► again this is based on my experience and [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► talking to other people that doesn't [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► happen with phones as much not say it [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► doesn't happen at all sometimes your [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► phone does get slow and you know i [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► upgraded the OS and my phone feel slow [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► and that is another that is another [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► factor in it but I feel like it is far [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► beyond behind software ecosystem [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► pressuring you into upgrading your phone [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► and just plain dropping it and you have [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► none of those things are true for the [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► ipad then it is protected and it kind of [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► makes me fear for the day when Apple [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► makes an iphone you can drop all day [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► long and never breaks will the phone [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► suddenly become like the ipad if it [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► again if this theory is correct that you [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► know the people aren't buying new iPad [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► because the one that has working just [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► fine i think people's phones will be [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► working just fine if there wasn't [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► something that they want to play they [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► didn't keep dropping know maybe I'm [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► overestimating the dropping and maybe I [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► noticed cracks too much because i'm [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► always amazed at the vast percentage of [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► people I see like on the train or [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► whatever just swiping thumbs along [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► totally shattered phones you know I'm [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► iOS or not because people drop them and [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► they're made of glass and it's a problem [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► so I don't know you don't really need to [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► get a product marketing for apple on the [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► show now that we're mad with power and [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► say what are your percentage of white [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► people replace their phones it because [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► they have an android phone it's getting [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► old and slow because they drop their old [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► one or is it because they want to play a [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► new game I first of all that that's okay [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► that'll be question number one for when [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► we get filled question number 2 question [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► 1 will be about the mac pro out okay i [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► have many other questions earlier the [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► killer sorry folks that's fair but i do [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► think you are under estimating how many [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► people replace their phone because it's [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► old and slow because you think it's just [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► always upgrades like yes I I [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► brought that up and i have heard that [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► from a lot of people and it is a real [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► thing but I was gonna say no one's [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► forcing you to upgrade your your phone [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► button apples pretty pushing these days [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► aren't they yeah they Apple really [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► really pushes the upgrade pretty hard [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► and a lot sometimes like a nap a [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► critical app that for people will [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► require it to that kind of forces i'm [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► terry they push you on the ipad 2 like I [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► had iPads that I regret upgrading the OS [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► four because they just sold in your you [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► upgrade to the very last thing like I [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► should have stayed one version back so [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► why wouldn't that make people replace [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► their iPads in the same way [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► well that that's a good question were [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► thinking about i think one of the [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► reasons for that may be one of the [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► biggest reasons for that is the the [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► types of apps that you use on the ipad [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► vs types you absolutely that use enough [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► on the phone and like like is there an [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► app that's pushing you to upgrade or not [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► on the ipad I i think i think the data [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► shows that despite this despite the [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► community of people who get a lot of [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► work on the ipad a lot of ipad users are [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► using it mainly for video watching web [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► browsing and email me at facebook like [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► bait the basics basics like email web [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► video kind of workflow and for that [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► probably nothing really going to push [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► you to really upgrade your OS like you [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► can still use apples mail app and [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► whatever else you have you can still use [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► the web browser you can probably like I [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► would imagine like Facebook and netflix [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► and stuff probably keep their inversion [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► pretty low pulled up the upgrade the OS [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► but you don't doesn't matter if you're [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► crazy or is it just using to play video [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► it really doesn't matter exactly how [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► close to the animation is on springboard [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► when you launched it for example you [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► care about is once the video starts [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► playing it's fine [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► that's fair but anyway regardless I i [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► think the way most iPads are used it [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► probably has a slower upgrade cycle from [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► this office I'd simply because they're [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► not often using a lot of apps that [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► require the newest version of the OS [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► where's the phone [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► you have a lot more like you know new [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► games that come out new cutting-edge [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► have to come out usually come on the [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► phone first or only and you have more [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► early adopters that it seemed like more [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► driving that but also just like there's [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► like this consistent narrative with the [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► ipad that explains a lot of this that is [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► probably correct and there is some data [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► to back it up that basically [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► while you can get work done on it a lot [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► of people do use it for mostly [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► consumption [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► that's not a judgment that's just what [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► people do that's also true computers [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► that's also true phones however that is [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► true hi pads and that people's needs on [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► ipads are so are fairly simple most of [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► the time whoever's fault that it doesn't [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► really matter the point is people do [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► pretty simple things that I've had most [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► of the time you know it's only one data [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► point but I feel like it's relevant the [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► aforementioned ipad3 that we had after [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► we stopped using it because we found it [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► to be too old [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► it was collecting dust for months and [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► then just a couple months back i had my [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► ID I you know reset it all and i had my [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► dad bring it to my grandparents they [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► live in Pennsylvania i'm in Virginia and [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► although they come down from time to [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► time we haven't been up there in a long [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► time and you know they're they're not [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► that young at this point because i'm [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► turning 35 pretty soon and these are my [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► grandparents but I'm but we gave them [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► this ipad 3 mostly so they could face [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► time with us and Declan and you know I [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► guess my parents from time to time as [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► well from what I understand they were [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► beyond overjoyed to have received it not [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► only because of facetime but because [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► it's a much easier device for them to [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► use their pc and I think it's a [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► reasonably modern PC but they were [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► overjoyed to receive an ipad 3 it late [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► in 2016 was the ipad 3 new like 2012 or [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► something like that probably before that [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► actually so 12 it wasn't 20 ok yes they [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► were beyond excited to receive this old [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► device which for them is more than [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► enough now obviously they have nothing [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► to compare to [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► obviously in a perfect world i'm sure [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► they would prefer brand new one but four [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► for someone who hadn't had one before it [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► was way more than enough and not every [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► ipad users going to be like that and i'm [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► sure that there's [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► there's tons of ipad users that upgrade [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► regularly that are not using it for work [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► they just really love the ipad but to [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► speak of the longevity the ipad this is [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► a device that's you know nearly five [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► years old now that brought genuine joy [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► to their household when they received it [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► because it's a thing like that this is [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► why pads are so useful and so many of [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► them are still in use because most [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► people's needs are pretty low-end most [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► people just want a thing that they can [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► browse the web and send emails and see [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► facebook on like that's pretty much what [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► most people do with any of their [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► computing devices phone laptop or tablet [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► and so this device is delightful for [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► that again but that but I i think that [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► that doesn't preclude you know people [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► doing really work on it and also my [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► theory that that I'm putting forth with [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► this the sales graphs that like this is [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► mostly just added to the world [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► technology i mean there aren't any real [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► answers here like the the data that we [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► have is shallow and we have to [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► extrapolate a lot from it and and so [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► because of that it's there's so much [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► judgment involved and there's no clear [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► right or wrong and I think that's why [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► we're going to talk about it in its [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► across 17 different podcasts for a [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► little while the item is so let's talk [TS]

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00:44:07 ◼   ► way more time-consuming much harder to [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► support overtime [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► and people ask us to make this all the [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► time and people who listen to the show [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► probably probably a lot of you have [TS]

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00:44:20 ◼   ► support that you don't want to do that [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► you don't have to like patch that or [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► upgrade that ordeal with them whenever [TS]

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00:44:43 ◼   ► huge thing if you're so excited for [TS]

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00:45:22 ◼   ► Squarespace so there was this crazy [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► dammit sorry up there was this crazy [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► rumor are sort of rumor that was posted [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► on slashdot as a comment and this was a [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► in / top parlance an anonymous coward [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► which is to say somebody that didn't [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► want to leave their name but they went [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► on and on about how there are several [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► armed powered laptops that are drifting [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► around internally at apple and this [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► individual claims to have seen several [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► with my with their own eyes and they had [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► a lot to say about it i don't know the [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► best way to summarize it partially [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► because i read this days ago and I [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► haven't looked back since [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► which was in part because it seemed kind [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► of bananas to me right but I'm but it [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► seemed like the the short short version [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► was yeah there's some apps that that run [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► on arm and the OS is really iOS [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► fish even though it is an iOS like a lot [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► of things that that we like to control [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► as a as you even not even necessarily [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► power usage users on Mac OS not a lot of [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► that is available on these supposed [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► phantom our max I didn't think this is [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► something about this didn't feel right [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► to me like i'm not sure i can point to a [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► specific passage and say yes this is why [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► it's bananas but a lot of it just didn't [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► feel right to me and from what I [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► gathered from people that I've spoken to [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► it didn't feel right to a lot of them [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► but we wanted to acknowledge its [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► existence and we'll put a link to the [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► show notes and I'm sure that the two of [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► you have some thoughts on it as well I [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► don't do more than just technology [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► yeah I don't want to entertain it as a [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► as a possibility because that you know [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► this is not a credible source but let's [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► just pretend like hypothetically let's [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► talk about this thing if it existed [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► right because I again that they don't [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► think the sourcing is enough to say that [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► this does exist but i would say in fact [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► the the incredible shadiness of this [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► post and so many of the like weird [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► things that don't really sound very [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► Apple II or don't reflect how to [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► actually work [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► I i would say this is very unlikely to [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► be true but I but I'd the reason I want [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► to talk about this too i was very happy [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► to see the note is that this is an [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► interesting idea for where the mac could [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► plausibly go because while the details [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► of this are very suspicious admit that [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► make you discount the validity of this [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► of this report i do think the overall [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► idea of such a product is plausible and [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► the idea that apple would take in this [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► direction is very plausible that was [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► plausible this is like this is the as [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► soon as iOS appeared this is basically [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► the exact not an exemplar but like like [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► this is the prototype of this rumor the [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► very second the first person said iOS [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► Mac merge like the very second someone [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► said that many many years ago this is [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► exactly what they were talking about is [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► a mac running arm CPUs can only get apps [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► from the app store everything locked [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► down all binary sign can restore from [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► the internet like a phone like it there [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► is nothing in this that is even outside [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► the realm of the things that mean the [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► only reason is you know it's interesting [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► again it's because being presented as [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► truth is kind of the same way when you [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► tell a joke you pretend it's a real [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► story that happened to make the joke [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► funnier [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► that's exactly how this is working here [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► but because we haven't had like the of [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► the reasons we're talking about again is [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► because we haven't revisited this idea [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► of the iOS and mac merge totally locked [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► down Mac thing again and in light of the [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► actual appearance of arm CPUs inside max [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► with the touch bar mac pros and in light [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► of all the Intel stuff and so on and so [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► forth in our own revisiting of what is [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► it going to be time to flip them back [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► over to harm i think it's worth [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► revisiting this old the rumor of the [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► merged you know that emerged iOS Mac not [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► so much the merging of the u.s. [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► interface wise but of literally [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► buttoning down the mac in all the same [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► way that iOS button down as an example [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► of what we talked about last show like [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► you know either [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► expand the capabilities of iOS or making [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► the mac easier this would be an example [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► of taking all the sharp edges in the mac [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► and following them down as much as [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► possible to make something that is [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► hopefully almost as easy to use an iPad [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► but so much more capable [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► yeah and so I i think it's worth going [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► over some of the details he's our chief [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► summarizer in chief failed to that's [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► what it's ok if you've had a long day [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► look at the after show but true [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► yes sorry it is so basically the the [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► idea before this comment basically is [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► that it is a it is like you know the [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► next generation of laptop presumably or [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► possibly have all max it is an ARM [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► processor all custom app alarm harbor [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► just like the iPads and phones but it [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► only boots the signed os os images that [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► that come from that come over the [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► internet i assume that every time that [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► not even that but like it only boots [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► it's similar to iphones and ipads like [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► there is no like physical install media [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► there's no like downgrading it just [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► here's the software update for you hear [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► that you get you can't downgrade you [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► can't choose what version you run just [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► here's what you get period it said like [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► you know a lot of the OS 10 legacy [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► utilities and stuff are missing [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► there's no more x11 there's no audio [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► MIDI setup we know a lot of that stuff [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► no disk utility no terminal which is [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► interesting system preferences and a lot [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► of functionality has had to move into a [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► new app called settings to match iOS the [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► app store is mandatory including even [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► things that require hardware drivers [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► Senate sounds kind of similar to when [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► you plug [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► and like it when you connect the [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► bluetooth or Lightning device to a phone [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► and it can associate itself with an app [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► on the App Store app that lets it work [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► similar to that but for drivers on the [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► mac so you get a new like you know [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► scanner something you plug it in and it [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► downloads the door it launches you to [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► the Mac App Store to download the driver [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► for that [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► similarly all drivers would be like you [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► know kind of like iOS sandbox ified [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► where something could install one of [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► these drivers like that at the deep [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► level system but then you could just go [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► into a system pref pain and like delete [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► it and it's gone it doesn't like Lee [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► files behind you know it's a very iose [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► in that way of like a night with iOS you [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► can delete an app and you know [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► everything about that is gone like it is [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► there's no there's no like remnants of a [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► left on your phone or anything and of [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► course the maximum work that way now you [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► know max get gummed up over time those [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► crap and yet you have like all this junk [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► in your library folder and everything [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► else and so and then a couple of things [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► but yeah basically that the land and the [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► the file system is a kind of like it he [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► pronounced chroot in linux world is at [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► route after but is it really that [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► basically the file system is like [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► Troodon so basically like you like what [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► appears to be at route is your home [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► directory and you don't even see the [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► system files they're just don't even [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► they're like that they're there they [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► exist in the file system but you don't [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► see them from your point of view from [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► your user space you see at root your [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► files and nobody elses and they said [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► there's like no concept of seemingly of [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► multi stuff but I don't want to get too [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► much into the specifics of this post [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► because again i think the credibility of [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► it is is pretty low but as a future [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► direction of mac OS and and of the mac [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► hardware platform i do this we're [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► talking about not only because it's so [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► plausible based on what Apple's seems to [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► want to do but also i think i will have [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► the seemingly in this community very [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► unpopular opinion that I think this [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► could be really good with a few minor [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► exceptions i think this could be really [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► the only things about this that give me [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► a lot of paws are that it said that [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► everything to come to the mac app store [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► that's number one and i think you know [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► the mac has this wonderful gatekeeper [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► system and has the [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► this kind of like code-signing without [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► app review system called developer ID if [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► that if the developer ID and gatekeeper [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► come forward into whatever this is a [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► look again assume this is real even [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► though it probably isn't thought [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► experiment time okay if this were if [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► this were to have some kind of like [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► developer mode where you could build [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► open source stuff and you know it would [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► however its container if it's in your [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► little true jail fine but if you can [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► build open source stuff if you can [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► develop code if you can like compile [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► code with with your c compiler whatever [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► else and just running on this thing [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► without the os's coat is interfering [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► badly with that if that's possible to do [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► here and you know and and if if you can [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► do if you can distribute software [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► developer ID which would bypass the at [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► the mac app store then I think this is [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► not only plausible and could be good but [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► it might be great because a lot of this [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► solves real problems with the mac and [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► with peaceful oasis one of the biggest [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► problems is like how its spread that all [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► over the place all over the system you [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► know they they they are like it isn't as [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► it without with iOS you know is you [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► delete the app it's gone on the macula [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► the app and it's their garbage [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► everywhere and you have to use like Matt [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► cleanup utility is to clean up the [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► garbage out sometimes you have to go [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► find these files of the spread of your [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► system and you can't be sure what [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► happens do when you install it all the [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► stuff like the the pc and mac style of [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► of app security is outdated we know [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► we've talked with before how they like [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► to hold the unix idea of like anything [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► you've run so that has access to your [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► entire user account and everything you [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► have a ready-made on user account all [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► your files and it can delete files it [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► will I can you can read everything of [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► yours like that is an outdated model [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► that that that is not great for the [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► future computing and one of the things [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► that makes iOS so appealing to a lot of [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► people fraud of reasons is the [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► additional simplicity and security that [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► the sandboxing model that it has [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► enforces I think there it is possible to [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► do this well a lot of mac diehards are [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► really against this idea when I saw this [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► commented and assuming it might be real [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► and I can see why that why you would be [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► so against this but I think [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► if again which is like that's very [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► slight tweak of like a developer mode [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► and being able to distribute software [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► developer ID that's pretty much all i [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► would need for this at you know it like [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► it sounds like it would be really good [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► in a lot of other ways either the mac is [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► in maintenance mode as i keep saying it [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► seems that way and nothing ever changes [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► and it's fine [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► or if it is going to change if Apple [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► really is working on like the next the [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► next generation of os not just 10 dot [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► something else [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► the entire next generation like when [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► they went from classic to OS 10 if they [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► are indeed working on such a thing for [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► the mac which I would argue they should [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► be because it would be ridiculous to [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► complete to continue computing platform [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► for but no plans to ever do that then I [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► think this is exactly the kind of thing [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► they would do and we should be prepared [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► for it and we can see a preview of what [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► it's like by looking at iOS iOS is even [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► more restrictive than this and so if if [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► this is plausible and and if this [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► happens and if it's done well with with [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► with those couple of little holes [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► puncture the wall for developers and for [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► distribution through developer ideas i [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► said i think this could be a great move [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► forward [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► this could be the simplicity and [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► security of iOS but with windowing and [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► file management and access to your files [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► in it in a traditional paradigm and [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► stuff like that and yes it would require [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► a lot of apps to be written some things [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► that works in the old system wouldn't [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► work anymore but a lot of this stuff is [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► ancient like I don't need x11 anymore i [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► don't like there's a lot of this stuff [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► is so ancient mac OS is very old it has [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► a community craft over time because [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► everything does this new way of doing [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► things [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► sounds like it could really be the [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► actual future of computing that blends [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► together the greatness of iOS with ap [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► style paradigm to a lot more types of [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► work to get done for more people [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► this sounds really good to me the actual [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► future computer i spent all this time [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► explaining myself and you just ignore me [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► last week we talked about the ipad was [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► like was making progress in terms of [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► expanding its capabilities with [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► multitasking and the pen and the bigger [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► size and stuff but like what kind of [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► slowly the mac has been doing that same [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► thing but in the other direction but [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► even more slowly because if you think [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► about the Mac the Mac trying to try to [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► simplify itself trying to be friendlier [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► this has been a process the process took [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► a pretty big leap with classic taurus [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► ten actually because many things that [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► were way more complicated and classic [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► we're massively simplify the doc is the [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► best example of that all the ways that [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► you could manage the same stuff the doc [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► is supposed to do on classic mac OS at [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► the time we transitioned doctors just [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► like the most dumbed down version of all [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► the other options about not even [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► including third-party things of which [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► there were many this was this one first [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► party thing [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► no you can't use the private api's to to [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► make your own doc type thing will we [TS]