The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► I just feeling out to see whether you're [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► making a legit mistake or troll in and [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► use trollin I patrolling use myriapods [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► I thought I am NOT tiff uses the more [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► than I do now because did you get one [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► pair or two pair [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► I got one pair which is two airports but [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► yes it how you got three air pods yeah [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► how many how many your holes can you [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► fill with the air pods that are in the [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► house too [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► okay that's what I thought okay so you [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► have a single-payer like you said yes [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► and tiff is using the more than you [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► yeah she uses them actually often with [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► the apple TV like when I'm podcasting [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► frequently on gets it isn't as nice [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► using it with other stuff but it does [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► work and there's a couple of the [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► niceties like when you when you when you [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► use the volume up and down on the apple [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► TV remote with airports connected it [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► does the volume to them instead of like [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► your speakers so it doesn't do it the [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► auto pairing thing the way it doesn't [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► iOS devices but once you have it paired [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► it works nicely so how does that was [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► happening i'm not trying to be funny how [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► does that work then do you have to like [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► go into settings in the apple TV & and [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► say connect to the air pods every single [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► time I forget if we do every single time [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► I i think it was the first time I don't [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► usually she just does it [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► I think once they're paired as long as [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► you don't pair them with something else [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► though right [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► that's the issue and and so we've [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► actually I've actually seen a number of [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► times i was doing was trying to testing [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► between like the phone the TV ipad watch [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► a mac like you testing all these [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► different things and I found that it air [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► pods are a little bit frustrating in [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► trying to share between different [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► devices and having a not-quite always do [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► what you want [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► like even though the old way of doing [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► bluetooth for you have to like one pair [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► from 12 fights appeared something else [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► that's also terrible but the way [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► airports do it is not quite flawless but [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► how do they do it [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► that's my question because i have used [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► my ear pods with my phone in my ipad [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► right those are two two devices [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► yeah is something supposed to happen [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► other than me going to settings and [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► tapping bluetooth and tapping air pods [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► because that's what I've been doing my [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► favorite thing is occasionally I'll put [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► in a single airpot [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► and i'll be in like the bedroom and I'm [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► listening to a podcast or something like [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► that and then i'll put in like five or [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► ten minutes later i'll put in another [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► the the other air pod and it will go to [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► connect and for whatever reason it will [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► semi consistently connect the iMac which [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► is in the next room over the office and [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► so I have one Airport connected to my [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► phone and one connected to my my mac and [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► so i'll double tap like the the one [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► connected the iMac which I still haven't [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► changed to do play pause so I'll here [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► Syria of one here and then like whatever [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► podcast was need to out of the other [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► year it's actually quite funny and and I [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► could see how that would be really [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► frustrating to someone who isn't like a [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► developer perhaps or who doesn't think [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► about how difficult it is to implement [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► all this but to me I just find it to be [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► hysterical [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► yeah I still got some weird audio sync [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► problems sometimes but overall they're [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► still there still winning just because I [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► guess my hatred of chords and snags has [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► a mandarin house I i find it very [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► frustrating that I can't change volume [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► and I have all these crazy schemes on [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► how to adjust the volume by like [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► reaching into my pocket and feeling for [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► which side of the phone is face up so I [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► know whether I have to reach the side [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► with the power button never order the [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► volume thing like little slow down like [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► slow down we are you talking pant pocket [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► of jacket pocket jacket [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► ok then night night than i i i i mean [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► like my winter jacket and you know reach [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► around to change they are like what I do [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► in the kitchen except I don't put the [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► phone in the kitchen the phone is in the [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► dining room [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► so if i want to change the volume i have [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► like take a few steps into our room and [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► on the little sideboard thing the volume [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► up or down but i'm living within [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► apparently you know personal putting I'm [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► people hate when i said is not correct [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► but deal with it you know what I mean [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► that i i'm i'm now using them despite [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► the fact that double tapping my ear is [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► uncomfortable and despite the fact that [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► double tapping works weirdly in [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► consistently some people have suggested [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► the triple tap to try to you know I have [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► a mulligan in there if one of them [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► doesn't register [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► sometimes I blame overcast or indoor / [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► iOS first taking over cast out of memory [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► so that it has to launch again before i [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► can start playing and I question whether [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► it it registered my taps and doesn't [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► have just haven't started playing yet [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► sometimes it's so far out of memory that [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► it starts playing music despite the last [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► thing the fact the last thing I was [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► listening to the podcast very confusing [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► but anyway [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► all that said i'm still using them [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► instead of my wired ones the only place [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► i've used my wire was recently was [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► watching my ipad in case where my ear [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► pods were downstairs and it's like well [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► i got the wired headphones here and I'm [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► not going anywhere i'm just watching [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► something on my iPad on my bed or [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► I'm like the wireless i'm totally sold [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► on and as I mentioned earlier like I [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► love the idea of the airport is just how [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► incredibly small and pocketable they are [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► they don't fit me comfortably and they [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► don't really work for my life as a [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► result and so that's why I'm not really [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► using my tips and more than i am but [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► that being said all those limitations [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► about what you can and can't easily [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► control from them like volume and play [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► pause being finicky and stuff like that [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► when i switch back to my beloved old [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► sennheiser PX 2 10 BTW when it has its [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► giant you know that this little like you [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► know on a year [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► bluetooth said that I've had for a [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► couple years now that I walk my dog [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► every day with and it just has these big [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► plastic buttons on the right earcup and [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► I can play pause volume up and down [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► seat back seat forward next track [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► previous track all with these five [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► buttons on the right earcup and it is [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► just so convenient and every time I try [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► other headphones for a little while to [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► review them or talk about on the show [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► whatever else [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► whenever I go back to my crappy little [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► sanitizer bluetooth headphones i am so [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► happy with the amount of control and [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► comedian that I have them even though [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► they sound like crap and they're pretty [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► ugly and they are you know still like [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► over the head headphones even if they're [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► compact ones so they don't fit in any [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► pocket really they'll fit jacket pockets [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► but not like a pants pocket and it is [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► just so nice to have those and I it i've [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► tried now I still haven't done a review [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► i keep meaning to maybe do video reviews [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► and I keep putting it off because it [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► turns out videos a lot of work but uh [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► I've tried now many high-end bluetooth [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► headphones including the air pods but [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► also including like all like the the [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► former dollar crazy ones from like piano [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► and BMW and bows all these other I [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► headphone companies and the convenience [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► of my relatively cheap bluetooth [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► headphones just have big plastic buttons [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► on the side cannot be like it is there [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► so convenient for everyday use that's [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► why i use them for podcast like and I [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► would never recommend them for music [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► because they sound like they sound like [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► trash that they just have the worst [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► sound music ever before podcasts totally [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► fine and 80 man it's just so nice having [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► those physical controls right in the eye [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► can operate with gloves on [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► i don't use any voice assistance they [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► work every single time like it's just [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► reliable physical controls and they're [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► not sexy and they're not cool but they [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► work and it's really hard to beat that [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► for me [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► yeah if only there was a device you [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► could like I don't know strapped to your [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► body somehow that would give you all of [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► those physical controls and also let you [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► like get a text message and also let you [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► reply to a text message and also let you [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► get other notifications would not be [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► awesome [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► ok let's go and all i remember I I said [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► that it works every time that your cum [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► buttons work everytime not eighty [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► percent of the time and I can use them [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► with gloves on and yeah speaking of that [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► i keep forgetting to try that was [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► suggested so long ago and still hasn't [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► occurred to me to try to give that a try [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► by really trying to watch using the [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► watch [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► yeah but to as as an example of like [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► having a physical volume control is [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► easier than reaching into my pocket and [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► and finding my phone's volume button and [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► stuff like that [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► truth be told finding the volume button [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► is probably easier but it did this is a [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► solvable problem it's just that you [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► don't want to solve it you don't want it [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► to be solved the way it has been solved [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► sounds like me in cars let's do so was [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► actually a solution i already have it [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► was really cheap a few years ago and it [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► works perfectly every time and and the [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► the newfangled solution is both [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► something like four times the price and [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► worse so know that this actually is a [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► case for the old solution was totally [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► fine and the good thing is like this is [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► this is one of the areas were like you [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► know as you Casey have been an advocate [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► for so long [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► cheap bluetooth headphones are [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► plentiful these days tons of people make [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► cheap bluetooth headphones and they're [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► largely pretty decent they're not good [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► but they're decent and and for their [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► price they're usually fairly reasonable [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► and these headphones were at the time i [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► bought them kind of expensive at [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► something like a hundred dollars are [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► hundred and ten dollars they're not [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► worth more than that if you see them for [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► sainthood two people more than that but [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► there anymore that really these days [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► however that you know these are there [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► doesn't like a five-year-old pair of [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► headphones [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► this is one of the areas where like the [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► higher-end headphones the higher-end [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► wireless headphones are nicer in certain [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► ways they are possibly more portable [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► like air pods they are better sounding [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► like some of the high-end ones from like [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► piano and stuff they are you know better [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► noise cancellation and maybe more [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► comfortable with their larger on your [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► things [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► however for practicality of just like [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► Wireless wearing them while walking or [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► running or around the house doing stuff [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► like John cooking the cheap ones with [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► plastic buttons on them are actually [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► better for almost all purposes for that [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► kind of use than the high-end expensive [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► ones i'm mostly agree with you if you [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► ever need to flip between it devices [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► then the air pods or anything really [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► with the w1 chip start to make a lot [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► more sense but in if you are consistent [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► with one machine for example my $25 [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► bluetooth headphones i bought literally [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► five years ago I believe that are still [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► kicking I just don't use them because my [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► ear pods I only ever use those with my [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► work my work computer and it was great [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► you'll see that's the sound was [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► acceptable and they had buttons on the [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► side if I really needed him although i [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► did you know keyboard right in front of [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► me but anyway yeah there they work just [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► fine and I do agree with you you know I [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► i freaking love my ear pods but [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► nonetheless if you don't feel like [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► spending on sixty dollars on a set of [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► little earbuds you can easily spend [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► between 20 and a hundred and get [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► something that's nearly as good as long [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► as you're not switching between devices [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► frequently as long as you don't mind a [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► giant thing like I would never trade my [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► ear pods I would ever go back to Wired [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► earbuds before I would go to a big thing [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► that goes over my head with a big band [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► and put stupid squishy circles on my [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► ears like I'm [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► humph i want the buds that's what i want [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► and so wired or wireless those are my [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► choices and then a distant third would [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► be okay if I can't have any kind of year [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► but then I guess I'll going over your [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► enough all right let's a start the show [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► to send a follow up John wanted to tell [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► me about a phone contracts and other [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► ways that you can make people buy [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► iphones if this is much more interesting [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► thanks know the last week we talked [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► about the different tractors that make [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► people feel like they need to get a new [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► device on a run faster schedule than [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► people apparently and/or supposedly get [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► new ipads and I was bringing up the idea [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► that phones get dropped and break more [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► often than iPads just by their nature so [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► that could be one thing that will make [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► people turn them over a couple people [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► wrote in to bring up the idea of [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► contracts which are less prevalent now [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► than they used to be in the u.s. it used [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► to be that the phone was like oh it's [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► you know $200 this phone on a two-year [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► contract with all blonde it was just a [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► typical money hiding schemes where you [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► know human nature makes you not see the [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► upfront costs and you read don't do the [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► multiplication your head so it seems [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► like a cheaper deal these days it seems [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► to me that someone who does not buy a [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► new phone that often that the shift is [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► more towards you bought a new phone [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► exactly once [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► yeah well now that you know I've i M i [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► suppose the I brought my tracfone so [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► that I that the movies away from [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► contracts and more towards buying them [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► up front unlocked [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► I don't know if that's a just an iphone [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► thing or just my personal experience [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► thing but either way [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► historically that has been a big [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► motivator to get people to buy a new [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► phone every few years because it seems [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► like a good deal because they hide all [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► the costs from you in a way that makes [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► your your silly fallible brain feel like [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► you're not spending the money that you [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► are spending anyone else here for a [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► moment [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► am I supposed to be paying less on my [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► cell phone bill now that I by my phones [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► that right because I'm not know you [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► shouldn't be but that such as well it [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► depends on how bad of a deal you got but [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► the strange thing about the deals now is [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► that they psychologically see more [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► expensive know like mine just is more [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► expensive like like so i have AT&T [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► and I started by my phones outright not [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► taking their subsidies anymore and the [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► plans are also the same prices and I [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► like I'm not I'm just spending more [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► money now [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► no you should be spending you should be [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► spending a little bit less i'm logging [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► into the AT&T right now but what happens [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► is the plans cost the same however they [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► give you a very peculiar Lee peculiar [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► named discount once you're no longer [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► subsidizing a phone and it's gonna take [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► me like three hours to figure out where [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► in my bill this is listed [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► yeah they did that I remember hearing [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► the same thing from my wife who wrangles [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► the the phone contracts that sometimes [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► you have to call them to remind them to [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► give you the better deal once you're off [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► contract and that deal gets discount [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► discount for access which is on the [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► mainline $25 off your total cost but a [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► great because discount for access hole [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► actually it's on both lines it's $25 off [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► because when I think discount for access [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► I think this is offsetting the subsidy [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► cost don't you [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► that's fantastic yeah whatever it is an [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► interesting change that they're getting [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► brave enough to reveal the price in a [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► way that will register with consumers [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► brains in the way that you know is much [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► scarier than the old way of like you [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► know every new iPhones $200 now every [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► new iphone is eight hundred dollars you [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► like whoa later dollars it's it's like [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► you just didn't do the math before send [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► the other factor that people would talk [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► about for getting new phones it's gonna [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► make you get a new phone before you get [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► a new ipad row or even knew you know [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► laptop is battery life which you think [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► would make a difference cool ipad and [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► laptop batteries too but phones [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► batteries are really really small and [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► they're much closer to the ragged edge [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► of acceptable in terms of battery life [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► so when the tiny little battery that [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► probably is subjected to much harsher [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► environmental conditions than your iPad [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► or your laptop in terms of putting in [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► pockets or maybe leaving in cars and [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► stuff like that like I feel like it big [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► in the same way of dropping the phone [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► goes everywhere with you so there's more [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► variability even just being your outside [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► jacket pocket during the winter which [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► I'm guilty of me know when I'm shoveling [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► snow i have my phone in my jacket pocket [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► that can't be good for the battery to [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► deal with those temperatures anyway the [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► phone battery starts to go south [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► it's a bad scene you can deal with a [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► many years old ipad battery because then [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► it drops from 10 hours 25 but because of [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► the way we use iPads that's ok but if [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► your phone drops from making it in till [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► 6pm into making it to only 4pm that's a [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► no-go and you're gonna be like oh I need [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► a new phone because my battery sucks so [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► more hardware-based reasons that people [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► want new phone soon as they want two [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► ipads also there's the Apple whatever [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► upgrade program I forget what it's [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► called now but I feel like several like [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► normal people that I know have started [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► doing that was that call it just upgrade [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► iphone upgrade program but anyway I feel [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► like that [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► yes iphone upgrade program and that and [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► there are equivalents with each carrier [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► that are roughly the same money so I [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► feel like that's what's going on is it's [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► your sort of kind of leasing your phone [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► now I mean honestly this this is really [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► a better system [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► I mean this is like most of the rest of [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► the world outside of the US was we're [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► doing systems that were more like this [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► long before we were we're like for you [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► you little just bought the phone [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► outright and then paid like cheaper [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► plans like it does make more sense this [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► way things are a little bit more honest [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► even if even if even though the as usual [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► America has taken a straight normal [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► honor system and has twisted it and [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► sexually that's really confusing and [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► complicated and tries to hide all the [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► actual cause still called capitalism [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► that's called something but uh yeah i [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► mean it i think this is still this is [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► long-term a better system even if it is [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► somewhat confusing in the short term as [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► we have made the transition over the [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► last few years [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► alright John tell me if I take a [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► photograph of you flashing me the peace [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► sign is that a problem [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► this is related to the idea of [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► biometrics and how accessible the [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► features of your body maybe to other [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► people because once they have them and [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► if you use them [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► as a means of security on your devices [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► and you've got a problem because as we [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► establish that show your faces indeed [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► your face and your fingers are your [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► fingers and so I i was about how it is [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► easier to get pictures of someone's face [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► that is the pictures of their [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► fingerprints to articles related to this [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► one from Japan where cultural custom is [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► to flash the peace sign two fingers up [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► in the air in photos and if you do that [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► obviously you're facing two of your [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► fingerprints right at the camera get [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► good enough lighting you get enough [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► megapixels you can lift your prints off [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► of that so there's an article about that [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► happening and being careful about it [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► because you are literally showing them [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► your fingerprints here they are and you [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► know technology is amazing we can lift [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► fingerprints format and the second [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► article was in a more challenging [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► scenario can we pull fingerprints from a [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► photo where someone's not flashing a [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► peace sign but we just happened to catch [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► their finger at the right angle at the [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► right time but they would be video or [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► still photos and the answer is yes you [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► can do that as well if you get the right [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► shot all which is scary and all of which [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► leads to the idea that especially for [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► public figures or people who expect to [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► be photographed or people who have [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► access to things that are highly [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► desirable as opposed to just like your [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► personal email account but if you are [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► someone who is a head of state or [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► something and you're using your [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► fingerprints for something important [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► than people are highly motivated to get [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► them so yeah be careful out there don't [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► show people your fingers or your face I [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► suppose it just never be photographed in [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► any capacity ever [TS]

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00:20:53 ◼   ► continuing John can you tell me about [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► chromebooks and chrome OS and how that [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► relates to our max we talked about the [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► arm macromer a idea from slashdot and as [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► a Morlock down Mac type system and a lot [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► of people brought up Chromebooks which [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► we have talked about in the past as an [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► example of a very similar type of thing [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► that has existed for a while [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► it's taking it more of the extreme and [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► not only is the Chromebook obviously [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► like lockdown in the way that this you [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► know fantasize / rumor are Mac was but [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► also it shifts everything network which [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► this rumor did not mentioning anything [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► about the mac being but it all boils [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► down to the piece of hardware being more [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► robust in the face of user indifference [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► and my god how to phrase it like you [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► don't have to know how to you can you [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► can know less about using a personal [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► computer and be successful within the [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► same way that you don't need to know as [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► much about personal computing to be [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► successful with an iPad or an iPhone as [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► opposed to a macbook so Chromebooks [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► there are far fewer places where you can [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► get into trouble software installing [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► software is more straightforward the [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► number of things you can do to it mess [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► it up as much lower the overall system [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► is simpler obviously Chromebook and [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► chrome OS are far cry from the mac [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► operating system with a heavy focus on [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► doing stuff with web technologies [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► through a browser with many things being [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► put into the cloud and i think thats [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► implication in fact is a big advantage [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► Chromebooks have over any of apples [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► devices the aggressively count cloud [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► centric focus that this thing you're [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► holding your hand is nothing everything [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► you do if you have access to the network [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► is saves than at work aggressively so [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► that pretty much at any point when [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► you're working on a Chromebook you can [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► do a five-count and throw the thing out [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► the window into a lake and then go get [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► another Chromebook back room and sign-in [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► and resume where you left off [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► you cannot do that with any Apple device [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► right that's the dream of the Chromebook [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► I've always thought it was a brilliant [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► idea perhaps not very well executed but [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► every time we talk about ipads or max [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► especially as they relate to education [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► people come out of the woodwork to tell [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► us how Chromebooks are kicking apples [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► but in education because what a dream [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► machine [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► you educational institutions do not want [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► to deal with wrangling computers or [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► software anything like that you have a [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► bunch of computers that you're gonna put [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► a bunch of students in front of that's [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► just you know that they're gonna do [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► everything they can to mess things up [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► and even if they don't the computers [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► like eventually we'll mess themselves up [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► especially if there are you know if it's [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► windows and we're in a decade ago I [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► assume it's better now [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► Chromebooks are very results are iPads [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► for that matter but Chromebooks even [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► more so in that they they are resistant [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► to slowly degrading and or being [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► compromised by devious students and [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► there's lots of good tools for managing [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► fleets of these things that were having [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► multiple students signed into them and [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► apples made some strides here with their [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► weird multi-user sign in and out sync [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► everything from iCloud things they've [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► been doing with the ipad lately but [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► Chromebooks almost always been on price [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► you can get cheap crappy ones and you [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► know cash-strapped school of that and [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► they're doing very well in management i [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► always wonder if Apple cares that much [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► about that market or did they just like [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► the rest of the many markets that isn't [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► too high into that market they just want [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► to sell ipads to the rich schools and [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► let everyone else have chrome books or [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► something but I worry that the value [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► proposition represented by Chromebooks [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► in the ideal if not in in actuality is [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► not falling on deaf ears at Apple but is [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► not valued by the people inside Apple as [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► much as it should be because talk about [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► future of computing many of the aspects [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► promised by Chromebooks and many of them [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► delivered by Chromebooks definitely feel [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► more like the future of computing in [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► terms of having to worry less about [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► managing the Machine and having to worry [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► less about the machine itself because in [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► in a network connected world [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► yes you can work offline but it would be [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► great if the source of truth with some [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► place fast and reliable that is not [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► sitting in front of you [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► well this is part of what last last week [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► we were talking about that that rumored [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► slashdot comment lockdown [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► next-generation our mac [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► even though again disclaim already that [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► was very unlikely to be true [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► however one thing I forgot to mention [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► during my rant about how good that might [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► be is that that might address the [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► Chromebook market pretty well to like [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► that wouldn't have to be a high-end [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► hardware device that could run on ipad [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► class hardware and be passable and so [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► they they could if Apple wanted to [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► address this market which you as you [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► pointed out they might not want to [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► although i think it's aight i'm with you [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► i think they they should address it if [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► they reasonably can which is not save [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► definitely yes or no but I think if they [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► if they reasonably can address that i [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► think they should because having mass [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► numbers of students growing up using all [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► google services on all google computers [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► is probably not good for Apple long-term [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► but that being said if Apple could take [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► that kind of next-gen mac on arm concept [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► and make a very low and hardware device [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► that was basically like you know mid [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► generation ipad level hardware like [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► suppose that is two years away they [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► could take two days like ipad air 2 [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► hardware sell it in two years in this [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► little like you know macbook one size [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► case for 400 bucks maybe I mean like it [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► that could actually get them get them a [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► lot of the way there and that and that [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► and that OS is additional lockdown miss [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► and easy management an easy secured and [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► everything would all help in that regard [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► to so i think that one that one of the [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► things that that made me consider that [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► that comment as possibly interesting and [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► possibly plausible is that Apple has to [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► be feeling there they have to be feeling [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► like to hurt a little bit from the [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► massive success of Chromebooks and [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► schools they have to be feeling that on [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► some level whether they choose your [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► dress yet is another question but I [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► think if they're going to address it [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► that hypothetical lockdown are Mac would [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► be a really nice way to address it [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► because obviously they can try pushing [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► iPads they have as much as they want and [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► they have gotten decent numbers of ipads [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► sold into schools but there's a reason [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► why those Chromebooks keep selling so [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► well and and a big reason is price no [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► question and it's you know again it's [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► question whether Apple is is willing to [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► or should compete [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► on price to that level but also a big a [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► big reason for that is that a lot of [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► schools and students do prefer working [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► on some kind of laptop shaped device [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► with a laptop keyboard instead like it [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► yes you can put keyboards and iPads but [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► we all know from trying that like that's [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► not really what they're great at that's [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► not really but they're designed for and [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► if you're trying to manage a fleet of [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► student devices the last thing you want [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► is detachable expensive accessories you [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► know you wanted to be one integrated [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► unit you can manage the one in the [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► ground unit so that actually might be [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► part of their strategy to combat [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► Chromebooks long-term and if it isn't I [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► think it might be worth considering [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► whether it should so this is yet another [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► time we have to bring up that one of the [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► big advantages google has in terms of [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► management is the fact they do do [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► everything server side and that is [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► google strength and historically has not [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► been Apple strength to have a very [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► robust cloud services with the source of [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► truth is in the cloud not on the device [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► in the same way you know it doesn't [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► necessarily have to be web-based tools [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► like Google Docs up which by the way is [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► an extensive use in schools i'm using it [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► work now too and we mentioned before we [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► use it for our show notes it's it's the [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► point where like I'm waiting for it to [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► unseat microsoft word the entire [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► corporate world i know that's going to [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► take so freaking long but o among [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► certain wings of large corporations it [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► is possible to do this place word and [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► everybody is happier and seeing my kids [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► do everything google access like Marco [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► Verratti view if you grew up doing that [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► you just like a word-processing equals [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► google docs and his google docs work you [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► need servers the service needs to be [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► reliable they need to be fast need to be [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► always up things not lose data google is [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► really good at that Apple is not as good [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► at it so that's one weakness Apple [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► hasn't in doing that and the other [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► reason I think Apple should be thinking [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► about this market where Chromebooks are [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► giving them a run for their money with [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► iPads and everything is like it is a [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► demanding environment public schools [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► with a bunch of kids messing with your [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► stuff is demanding physically speaking [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► is demanding from a management [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► perspective because you have a lot of [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► devices you have people managing them [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► who perhaps are not [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► the most technically savvy because [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► that's not their job like teachers have [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► to deal with them and they don't they [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► want to be teachers they don't want to [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► be like IT managers right so the easier [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► it is to manage the better but in like [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► making a device that is successful in [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► that environment like that is very [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► hostile much more hostile than corporate [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► IT much more hostile than an individual [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► user's house who buys the thing and post [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► unboxing video and treats you like a [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► little perfect baby right schools are [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► brutal but in the same way that cock so [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► good grips company that I believe I [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► don't know it was founded on this or was [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► this originally but the story I've [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► always heard and I like it's all keep [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► repeating as if it's true [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► was that they were making tools for [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► people with arthritis and other sort of [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► motor difficulties with their hands if [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► you have trouble operating a regular can [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► opener try the ox 0 can opener because i [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► know i know you can't like it hurts to [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► turn a regular can opener but here we [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► have one that has very grippy material [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► and a big rounded attorney thing with [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► lots of leverage and so you know and it [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► turns out good old turns out everyone [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► loves it [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► if you make two lists that are easy that [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► are easy for people to use who have hand [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► mobility of strength problems people who [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► do not have hand or mobility of strength [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► problems also love them because they're [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► just better tools they give you better [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► mechanical advantage they work more [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► smoothly so if you make something for an [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► environment that is demanding in some [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► way [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► o our customers only have this amount of [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► hand strengthen the average adult has [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► five times that can you make an open to [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► the works and if you successfully do [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► that you haven't made all this is only a [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► nice device for people who have mobility [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► problems with their hands know what [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► you've made is an amazing can opener so [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► if you make a laptop that can survive [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► and continue functioning and be [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► manageable by teachers and students in a [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► public school environment you just [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► happen to have also made an awesome [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► laptop that you can put into the guys [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► house who's going to you know treat it [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► like a perfect little baby and always [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► liked do everything nice within read [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► articles about and all that stuff [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► they'll love it too because guess what [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► it's just easier to manage it works more [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► often there are fewer problems that is [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► just a better product all around so I [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► would never want to see Apple surrender [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► this market if all [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► because it acts as a crucible for [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► testing the the the durability of every [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► part of your product from the harbor to [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► the software to the management the whole [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► nine yards [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► let's talk about a hour elling who [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► writes i bought my first mac pro for [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► work last year since my job is what [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► development and thus I target that the [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► the target is obviously linux I chose to [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► go case sensitive to avoid trouble as [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► much as possible [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► I've been burned by windows k Sigma and [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► file system in the past [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► given how long OS 10 hfs+ being have [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► been around i expected that most modern [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► software would run on either set up but [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► now have learned that both steam and [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► adobe creative suite will not run on my [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► machine unless every 4matic loops i [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► would love to hear your opinion on the [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► state of this and who you think is to [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► blame for this mess [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► John as our file system expert humans [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► are to blame as always [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► so yeah the case sensitive vs instance [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► of HFS plus + hrs before it and MF s I [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► believe we're all case-insensitive made [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► you could not have two files whose [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► filenames different only in [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► capitalization and there's a whole bunch [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► of unicode normalization rules revolving [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► around that let's just talk about ascii [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► capital lowercase letters you had a file [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► name my file all caps you could not have [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► a file right next to it in the same [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► directory called my file all lowercase [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► cause guess what hfs+ does not [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► distinguish between those which is [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► mostly human factors choice on the [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► original mac because regular people [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► don't consider those different things [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► like find me the file name Jerry no not [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► the one with the lowercase J the moment [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► the capital j being able to not having [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► files a different in case because people [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► will type the wrong file names into [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► think they didn't save and stuff like [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► that so it is an important user [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► interface thing but they implanted down [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► at the file system level which means not [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► only does the interface present in that [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► way but you physically can't save files [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► to differ on the incase now why would [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► anybody want files differently it [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► sometimes case it contains information [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► if you have acronyms or abbreviations or [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► other type of things in your file names [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► and they happen to spot words like a ND [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► or something and [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► happen to have another file name that [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► has the lower case because they wanted [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► the thing and you know case does have [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► meaning in some cases but the most [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► important reason that case insensitivity [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► the historic multi-decade case in [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► sensitivity on the mac is a potentially [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► problem is if you ever change your mind [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► yoursay actually we've decided for the [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► future that's people don't really deal [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► with the process and how much anyway say [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► on your phones on your iOS devices where [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► people don't see the file system we [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► don't need that extra complexity because [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► it is an extra complexity every time you [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► look up a file you have to see if [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► there's any variation that van on that [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► files case in the same thing for writing [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► a file you have to make sure no files [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► exist with any variation of that finance [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► case and practically speaking lots of [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► software made for other platforms likes [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► a unique software open source software [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► has files that are part of either the [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► source code or the actual operation of [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► the of the the binaries in practice that [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► differently in case and if you can't [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► store them on the file system you can [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► even like intar you know the source of [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► an open-source tool and build it because [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► it's got lowercase C files about capital [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► C files because someone thought capital [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► C was great for c++ you know many [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► decades ago and it will either puke or [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► just randomly overwrite files and you [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► will have things don't build their this [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► plenty of open source software that has [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► plain old source files and food at sea [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► and capital f 00 dot C in the same [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► directory that this happens its thing [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► and if you can't deal with it at all he [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► has to make like disk images or virtual [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► machines are all sorts of stuff like [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► that but the real whammy is for decades [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► and decades the mac has been like this [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► and human beings have been writing [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► software for the mac and those human [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► beings have put file paths in their [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► software they've written code that reads [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► things from the file system based on [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► their path and a surprising amount of [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► time those file paths that the software [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► is trying to read from the file system [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► do not match the case of the files on [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► disk and nobody notices when you run it [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► on a case-insensitive file system [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► because if you were looking for you know [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► you know file dot com for the where the [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► eff is capital but on the on the file [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► system is actually lower case your [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► program works fine because it says open [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► be filed by comp with the capital after [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► this as I here i found it opens lower [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► case file that comes and you're good to [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► go because that's how the api's work you [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► try to run that ok sensitive file system [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► and the wheels fall off the wagon all of [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► a sudden the thing doesn't work can't [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► even start up you know you're using it [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► does weird stuff in it doesn't function [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► correctly and steam which isn't even [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► that long on the mac platform i guess [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► it's been a few years now but adobe [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► creative suite has deep roots lots of [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► complicated software inevitably has some [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► part that either assumes case in [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► sensitivity as like a foundational [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► assumptions of some section of the code [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► or accidentally assumes case in [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► sensitivity by looking up files based on [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► paths that don't match the actual case [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► of the files on disk or you know very [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► more complicated variations of that [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► we're one part of the thing will write a [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► file the other thing will read it but [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► they won't agree on the case and it's [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► just there are so many places where [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► things go wrong and this is where the [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► conventional wisdom goes that if you [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► format your mac as case-sensitive be [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► prepared for a whole bunch of your [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► software not to work and for your only [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► alternative to be to reformat is [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► case-insensitive get stopped working you [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► might say well why doesn't everyone just [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► fix their software [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► well it's a chicken egg thing we need to [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► fix this offer because nobody runs [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► case-sensitive hfs+ on their macs and no [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► one's HFS case-sensitive a transponder [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► max because now the software works and [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► so they're an impasse their iOS devices [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► that make a sensitive from day one which [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► is a wise choice so there's there are [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► not a bunch of iOS developers out there [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► writing applications that expect to read [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► files with past them at the case could [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► guess what they wouldn't work so that's [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► great but with a PFS i'm not even sure [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► what they're gonna end up doing on the [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► mat because the apms is not officially [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► released on the maggots only on iOS but [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► it one way to solve the chicken egg [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► thing and say hey guess what a PFS is [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► case-sensitive only I can't imagine them [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► doing that because as we can see adobe [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► creative suite and steam wouldn't work [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► as an obscure applications so yeah so [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► sorry bad news you probably have to [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► reformat your disk as case insensitive [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► to get your software to work again [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► inscrutable humans got you again [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► it yeah you know by the way is marco was [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► like this marker happening mac apps do [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► that it's like it's a good thing if you [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► write it at an application or any kind [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► of song for the mac to find out do you [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► have these kind of problems in your [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► summer because you'll never know if you [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► just run a regular mac all the time but [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► you'll be surprised they're lurking i [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► probably have them in my stupid blog [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► system that I used to publish my blog [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► once a year because i've only ever run [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► it from a case-insensitive file system [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► is probably in that tiny little piece of [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► code someplace where i do something [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► stupid about case without that's respond [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► to this week by eero go to ero calm and [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► use promo code ATP at checkout to get [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► free expedited shipping Wi-Fi in our [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► houses just isn't good enough when you [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► only have one router which is the model [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► we've been sold on forever no matter how [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► many antennas you put on no matter how [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► high powered it is there's gonna be dead [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► spots and weak spots in most houses or [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► apartments we've all been there we all [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► have like the one room where the Wi-Fi [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► only gets like one little arcade doesn't [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► really work that you hold the ipad [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► upside down [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► I've actually done that and this just is [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► not a very good system for today we have [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► so many Wi-Fi devices that depend on a [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► solid connection in our homes you know [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► what year is this we should have [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► reliable Wi-Fi in our entire houses an [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► ear let us do that by having multiple [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► access points work together from [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► different points in the house to this [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► blanket your entire place in solid [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► strong fast Wi-Fi coverage the way to do [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► this so they sell the little 0 units [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► that they're kinda size of an apple tv's [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► little nicely designed little things and [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► you plug one of them in the same we plug [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► in any other Wi-Fi router you plug it [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► into your internet connection so you [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► know where that is and then you can plug [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► the other ones in anywhere else in your [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► house and they talk to each other over a [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► separate mesh network they make and then [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► they blanket your home in pure [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► high-speed Wi-Fi from each one and they [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► all work together to form one giant [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► network its way faster than traditional [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► repeaters or anything like that because [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► of the seventh-best network thing check [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► out the reviews you will see for [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► yourself and they sent us some too and [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► we try to map we've had similarly great [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► experiences heroes are fast and they are [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► so easy to set up with their app and [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► they have tons of great features they [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► have things like parental controls and [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► all sorts of new features being added in [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► very very easy-to-use app all the time [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► they've added so many features already [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► been sold out for [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► a year so many had so many features [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► already is very highly rated x rated [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► currently 4.4 stars and Amazon with over [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► 750 reviews [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► there's a there's a one-year warranty [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► there's a return period if you don't [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► like it [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► check it out we highly recommend 0 it is [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► so much better than just using one [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► router go to 0 comments the ero calm and [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► use code ATP at checkout to get free [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► expedited shipping [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► thank you very much 20 for sponsoring [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► our show once again [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► ah so John happy birthday to you [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► your birthday was actually what a month [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► and a half ago but the gods have [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► delivered you the ultimate birthday [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► present [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► sort of what's uh what's going on [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► Kickstarter these days John my favorite [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► twitter client has been from the moment [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► i started using twitter twitter epic [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► which I think was the very first twitter [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► client [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► certainly it was the first thing I ever [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► used Twitter with I did not sign up for [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► twitter based on their terrible website [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► I only signed up for it once [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► twitterrific without my car out this [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► this is a good thing to do you know if [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► it wasn't like truly the first app that [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► uses twitter api it was at least the [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► first app that anyone ever used that [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► uses twitter api and it was by far the [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► first app that mattered [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► yeah and so it was an iOS app and there [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► was a but before that there was a mac [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► app i think the backup came first anyway [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► yeah so Twitter clients have had a bumpy [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► road a couple years back Twitter decided [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► that didn't really want third parties to [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► make apps and it started this whole [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► thing where you can only make apps if [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► you have these special tokens and his [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► limited number of those the song [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► absolute grandfathered in and by the way [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► a bunch of new features are rolling out [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► can't be used by third-party clients you [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► really don't like you third-party [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► clients and it's made the market for [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► twitter apps very difficult for [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► third-party towards very difficult [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► Twitter her iOS has continued to be [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► updated nevertheless gone through many [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► major revisions and if you were to go [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► buy it on the app store today which i [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► recommend it is a great trap [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► I've never I've never waver despite also [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► buying many other twitter apps and [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► having them installed either left or if [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► it's because of its unified timeline [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► where it makes everything that has [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► happened on Twitter I related to the [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► people you follow a single list sorted [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► by time mentions tweets direct messages [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► your own tweets that go out just all [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► ordered by time that's it you know you [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► can view them separately if you want but [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► i like it just be one big list that's [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► the unified timeline anyway the mac [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► client on the other hand has not been [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► updated in many many years because it [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► just hasn't been economically feasible [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► to update it because the market for [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► third-party Mac Twitter clients is just [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► not sustainable anymore [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► the market for third-party iOS to the [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► clients basically barely sustainably so [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► many people use the official app and [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► there are still features that you can [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► only do in the official app I hate the [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► official app even though i have [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► installed [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► oh it's the warning i don't understand [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► how anyone uses it [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► it's confusing to people people use [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► their twitter and all sorts of different [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► ways so I happen to know a some of the [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► people who work at icon factory who make [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► twitterrific and for many years I have [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► been begging them half-jokingly to fix [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► whatever the mac which by the way i [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► continue to use despite the fact that it [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► is slowly crumbling like you know when [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► they added the thing where the tweets [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► can be longer than you would have [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► expected and we would like it doesn't [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► count like the mentions that everything [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► towards the URLs are mentions towards [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► the character camp some some change [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► related to the length of of tweets and [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► if you don't support like the new longer [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► tweet thing what you get from the old [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► version of the API is a tweet that is [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► truncated and it goes like it like [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► towards the end of the tweeters goes dot [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► and then has a URL but you can click on [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► to read the whole tweet on Twitter [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► website that's what long tweets look [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► like and twitter for the mac and yet i [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► still continue to use that I can't I [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► can't do so many things from the mac [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► version of the client that I can do from [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► the iOS one but I still continue to use [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► it because i like it and every other mac [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► client that I've tried i dislike [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► strongly in some way so I I really [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► wished for Twitter its comeback comeback [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► but I understood like look you can't you [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► know if it's not a viable arc is not [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► available market even offered to pay up [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► seeing amounts of money [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► for whatever put it back in fact I [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► believe it was only last week or the [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► week before that you said I would pay a [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► hundred dollars for updated version of [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► terrific for the Mac I've said that many [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► times and I may or may not have been [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► saying that because i may or may not [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► have known about this project a plan but [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► anyway now there's a Kickstarter like [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► everything thing that we've joked about [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► for so many years like how much money [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► would it take to fund the number of [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► developers who need to make this [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► application let's just do a Kickstarter [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► and if enough people want Twitter her [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► for the mac they will find this thing [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► and they will make this application like [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► it's it's an easy way to know that yes [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► you will have the money to pay for the [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► development of this project because you [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► get the money upfront ish in exchange [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► for the application so i'm not i have [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► back to this kickstarter I'm not going [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► to tell you how much money i pledge but [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► it was a lot of it they are the goal is [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► 75,000 but i want you all to ignore that [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► because the real goal is a hundred [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► thousand to stretch the so-called [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► stretch goal because the stretch goal [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► includes all the features that i want [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► including fairly essential things like [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► direct messaging so I really want this [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► kickstarter to get 200,000 if it doesn't [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► it will just be proving what i can [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► factor has been saying all along is [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► there's just not enough people who want [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► this who are going to pay for it even [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► though some of us are paying very much [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► more than five dollars for the privilege [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► of having this application so you may [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► not like using Twitter on the mac period [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► because many people just don't use it on [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► the mac at all maybe use the website or [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► whatever but if you are using an [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► existing Mac twitter client and don't [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► like it or it seems like it hasn't been [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► updated my electorate herd for the mac [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► or it doesn't work the way you want it [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► to this is an opportunity to get a shiny [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► new twitter client from a company that [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► really knows how to make Twitter clients [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► 44 only as much money as you can [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► possibly afford so please PLEASE back [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► this is up to 35 thousand dollars now [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► and has been open [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► it's got 28 days to go and it's 35 [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► thousand dollars out of a goal of not 75 [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► north at go a hundred [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► please everybody make this happen [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► because i want this to the client but if [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► we don't make it happen does that mean [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► we will finally break you of your [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► ridiculous insistence on the unified [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► timeline i know i will never gonna use [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► whatever the magnet until it doesn't [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► launch anymore after that I'm gonna I'm [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► gonna beg my friends and i can factor to [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► give me a special building does blanch [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► em I'm just giving you a hard time no I [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► i know some of the folks from the icon [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► factory we all do actually and they're [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► great people so definitely check out [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► this kickstarter and throw a few dollars [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► if you can because it would make John [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► happy it would make the folks at icon [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► factory happy and they're good people [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► and you could swag have t-shirts they [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► have little you know vinyl Holly dolly [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► is their little blue Twitter bird you [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► should be some history i think i can [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► factor website link to it the history [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► between icon factory and Twitter many of [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► the things that you associate with [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► Twitter were in fact invented by icon [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► factory terminology iconography so much [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► icon factory is like practically part of [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► Twitter only non financial sense because [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► they do not have thousands of employees [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► and billions of dollars of investment [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► didn't Hockenberry come up with tweet [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► sent him knows co-worker that right i [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► think so sorry that you have to get the [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► details when I like oh my you tried like [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► yeah the I believe they were the first [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► ones to actually use a bird as part of [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► the logo that you at the word we [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► they might even invented at replies I [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► don't know it's they did a lot like a [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► lot a lot of of Twitter like standard [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► things and practices and mechanisms and [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► everything were invented by icon factory [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► or by there by like their developers for [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► their apps and Ollie the blue [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► twitterrific bird is along with the with [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► panik's transmit truck one of the most [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► ripped off i constantly entire internet [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► you see everywhere like that's just a [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► generic representation of Twitter that [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► Twitter's logo nope nope not not twitter [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► logo at all in fact or logos worse than [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► I contractors like they should have paid [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► them to make their logos for them but [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► they didn't cool well good luck [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► I don't know if I'm if I should wish you [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► good luck John official wish the icon [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► factory good luck I guess a little boat [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► should do either you should pledge money [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► that's what you should do [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► here's here's why you shall pledge money [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► so a this is great software supported by [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► great people doing great things great be [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► Twitter needs more diversity in software [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► and and twitterrific is one of the very [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► few clients that grandfather in with a [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► very large amount of user tokens and so [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► they actually can make their like one of [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► the only companies that could make a [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► widespread twitter client and see if [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► this kickstarter doesn't fund John gets [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► to keep all his money and so we want [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► John we want John to have spent a [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► ridiculous amount of money on his [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► twitter client i can say is like the [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► second most expensive application of my [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► computer after photoshop exactly what [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► exactly we want John's copy of [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► twitterrific to be the this ridiculous [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► investment he has made and so please [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► everyone go fund this so that his pledge [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► will go through it really is just all [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► the money that I want to spend on a mac [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► pro is just my software Kickstarter's [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► oh my goodness alright moving on let's [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► see what we have here at planet of the [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► apps [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► oh god what can we start with before we [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► start talking about this show can we [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► start with the I someone maybe we have a [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► lawyer and I'm how can they get away [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► with calling it planet of the apps when [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► it sounds like planet of the apes is [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► there any that is it doesn't fall under [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► the cat the like parody we're like it's [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► referencing thing a thing but in a [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► joking way so it is almost like trade [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► dress like I don't know I don't know the [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► the the legal things about that just [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► seems too weird to me that they can get [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► away with planet of the apps without [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► paying somebody who has the right to [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► Planet of the Apes Oh fall for next week [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► someone tell me what the deal is [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► yeah i mean three things like a we [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► aren't trademark lawyers be they might [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► have paid someone to license it can see [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► they might just not care and just accept [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► it and if anybody threaten them and they [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► will just settle it because allegory of [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► being apple and exactly the top of a [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► mountain of cash so high you can't even [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► hear the people yelling at you [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► exactly like it's probably we will buy [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► the planet of the apes franchise from [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► universal over the hell owns it but you [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► know when we sneeze the money falls out [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► of our pockets [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► yeah exactly like it's probably I mean [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► it you know as as amateurs hear it does [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► kind of seem like it might be considered [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► like generic enough or [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► clearly clear enough parody or satire [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► that it might not be a clear-cut case of [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► actual infringement humor the camera [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► angle is the strongest one but I'm right [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► that funny [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► no it's not apples not good at being [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► funny and I was like how bad is your [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► plan have to be before it stops being [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► humor I i think what one thing that you [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► know I I don't want to bash chapel too [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► much about this but i do think that one [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► very clear difference between apple now [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► vs apple under steve is that Steve was a [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► cool person like not and and not in all [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► ways and and he knew the ways in which [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► she wasn't cool to kind of kind of [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► played off of them but he was [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► fundamentally like pretty cool person to [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► to the people who follow apple and then [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► to apple customers and I don't think [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► anybody at apple now is cool at least in [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► the senior leadership but i'm not sure [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► they know that it actually kind of seems [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► like they don't know that and are [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► actually under the opposite impression [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► see fed is cool come on [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► what does not know bc Fed is is he is [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► like the dad joke but he knows that and [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► he plays that so he actually doesn't [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► have a pretty good job of managing but [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► he's not much in the public eye I i get [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► like I don't like him i think is [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► profoundly deeply uncool but is under [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► the opposite impression he doesn't think [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► he's cool yeah i agree he's he's just [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► he's comfortable zone skin you think of [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► any cute whooping well no yeah yeah he's [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► a whole different level but uh but yeah [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► I mean I I i wish the like basically [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► apple today is run by a bunch of [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► middle-aged white men and it seems like [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► he that is showing a lot recently and [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► it's unfortunate and that isn't to say [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► that they can still make good stuff but [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► I think some of their decisions are a [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► little odd you know in in context anyway [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► back to get off the name though [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► but yes just to defend or the opposite [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► to condemn Steve Jobs coolness remember [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► that he wanted to call the imac mac [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► man move we all have bad days remember [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► that talked out of it by advertising [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► executives macman I believe them [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► my memory is correct that someone Google [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► and correct me if I'm screwing up but [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► thank goodness for imac yeah [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► to be fair that was a long time ago I [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► know but it's just like the name and [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► tastes like it Steve wasn't as cool back [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► then in in the mid-nineties Steve wasn't [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► as cool 1998 I'm acting but anyway [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► alright so there was a trailer for apple [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► while really I guess Apple musics TV [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► show so the Apple music TV show and it's [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► a little weird like music television [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► yeah thanks you too there so it's called [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► planet of the apps i only saw the [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► trailer once it's like two and a half [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► minutes so it at this point if you [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► listen to the show feel free to pause [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► and watch it [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► I it so I mixed feelings about this it [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► is clearly unequivocally not a show [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► meant for the three of us and that's [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► okay i can move itself that's not a bad [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► the idea is I if I understand this right [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► a bunch of app developers or potential [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► app developers come in and do an [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► escalator pitch so they are on an [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► escalator and as the escalators moving [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► down they have like 60 seconds to make a [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► pitch to will I am one of paltrow [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► jessica alba and gary vaynerchuk who I [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► guess at that point get to choose if [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► they want to tutor any of these teams [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► and then I guess there's a competition [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► at the end and if you win [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► among other things you get special [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► placement in the app store which most [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► people would probably give an appendage [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► to get wait so you can i first started [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► out with the escalator pitch thing [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► yeah yeah as a brief diversion here okay [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► so i have a question obviously I've ever [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► pitched Avicii I've been around vc's [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► I've been bored BDCs I've interacted [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► with a lot of pieces but never actually [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► pitched to one that was always done by [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► david and other people who are around me [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► that being said i am familiar with the [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► concept of the elevator pitch where the [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► idea is you're in an elevator with the [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► VC only have like until that you only [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► like they'll be arrived [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► to pitch them on your idea and then you [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► gotta convince them in a short amount of [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► time it's supposed to be like a man or [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► something like that [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► however how did this come about because [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► silicon valley has very few tall [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► buildings [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► that's an interesting point there aren't [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► that many elevators there to begin with [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► and the ones that are there are probably [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► going over like three floors the [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► elevator right they are lazy people and [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► have elevators in two-story buildings [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► but it but still it's not like a [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► one-minute pitches like an eight second [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► pitch like that where where did this [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► idea come about [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► maybe in New York taller buildings but [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► silicon valley of money has always been [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► west coast vc's there there are very [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► very few new york vc's that actually fun [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► Silicon Valley or tech project I think [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► elevator pitch pretty silicon valley but [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► going back into steve jobs again [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► remember the story about being trapped [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► in an elevator with steve jobs and he [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► has enough time to fire you in there so [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► it for you to say the wrong thing for [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► him to decide that you're fired and he [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► was remarkably efficient but wow anyone [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► everything that I think elevator pitch [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► predates silicon valley but if not like [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► it's metaphorical more than it is actual [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► but you but you got to the heart of the [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► idea is that if you have to sum up your [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► idea in a short amount of time you [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► should be able to say something that's [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► compelling instead of like just rambling [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► on for 20 minutes and people not knowing [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► what you're selling [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► you need to have an elevator pitch and [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► people in the end the the chat room or [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► like don't you mean we said escalator [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► pitch do you must speak to you mean [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► elevator pitch no that's left planet of [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► the apps get it apps instead of apes you [TS]